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Someone from the outside, not knowing how it works might be excused the first time. But those born and raised here that fall for that and overtip for the flirt make me cringe. I actually reduce the tip if a server takes it too far.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 10:35 AM

I am sorry for what happened to you. My father beat the shit out of my mom, cheated on her, was abusive to me and my sister. He died young though, but still my mom remembers him fondly, which drives me mad. Being abused as a kid made me an intended victim in the next years. I wasn’t able to defend myself and got abused later on, also by women, to the point that I attempted suicide in my 20s. I will be honest, I used to have no sympathy for women still in love with their abuser. With a clearer mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 08:07 PM

The first weeks after moving to the US from Europe I didn’t know about the (fucking retarded - why do I have to pay extra if your boss is a cheap shit?) tipping custom. Service in Europe is impersonal to say the least, so seeing a smoke show waitress acting all nice was kind of a novelty. Overseas tipping might (not even always) mean rounding up to the next ten. Once a manager stopped me all worried on my way out. Asking what was wrong with my server’s service. I said “On the contrary! I even ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 06:46 PM

I agree with the missed opportunities. I think these are transition times, with a lot of confusing signals. Bluepilled media is full of “every Jack has his own Jill out there” bullshit In the meantime women have become more and more liberated, in a way many men haven’t been able to comprehend and at a pace some aren’t able to keep up with. This said, mixed signals are sent. There are those offended by any hint of chivalry, those taking any possible advantage of old style dating and every nuance …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:43 PM

I grew up with an abusive father and I agree with you. There are enough dumb people that fall for assholes. My assumption was about a more or less healthy relationship, between self-respecting individuals not interested into putting up with other people’s bs. There are good-for-nothing boyfriends which are good at manipulating and get laid that way. There are ways to learn manipulation, and lure people through it, but would that be a healthy relationship? If the point is getting laid for the sak…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:44 PM

Truth is that no amount of self-improvement guarantees a relationship. It’s a necessary condition, but it’s not sufficient: starting a relationship when one doesn’t have their shit together is a recipe for failure and misery, same goes when one is needy. Self-sufficiency achieved, being pleasant to be around, with interests and experiences to share, likely increases the chances to connect, but again, is no guarantee. The chance of being forever alone is real, even when we become our best selves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:02 PM
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RP: Hypergamy exists Women are advantaged on the dating stage “There’s someone out there for you” is bullshit, many men will end up alone Sapiosexuality is bullshit Mistaking aggression for assertiveness, many are attracted by violent assholes and attraction often doesn’t wane even after prolonged abuse BP: The above, while identifying potential trends has plenty of nuances and exceptions Not every woman, even given the chance, has heaps of casual sex (carousel) While assertiveness > submissiven…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:15 PM
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Without knowing her side, it might be any of the things you pointed out. Or also, that she was feeling lonely because he wasn’t spending enough time with her. I understand your fear, if a wrong loaded dishwasher can cause someone to end a relationship, one should really think twice or more before committing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:54 AM
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It might mean “stably content”. No butterflies in the stomach, but a foundation for a tranquil life. I tried the rollercoasters of artistry. I prefer the stability connected with my current “lamer”, predictable routine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:45 AM
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It’s a blend of part of the two. You MUST be self sufficient. Full stop. You must be able to be stable on your own without relying on anyone. Desiring a relationship from a position of neediness is a non starter: while two healthy partners have to be able to support each other from time to time, no one is entitled to a full time therapist for free. Now you are self-reliant, you work to be your best self, with hobbies, healthy habits, a social circle. Does this mean you will be happy? Maybe not. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 06:20 PM
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“Your majesty, the peasants have no bread” “Let them have cake”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 02:27 PM
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More and more adults break up for even dumber shit, also with kids involved. While no one should tolerate a toxic relationship, it seems to me that effort and commitment are becoming more and more categories of the past
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 08:17 PM
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Infatuation ≠ love Love means willing to go on a growth journey together, being able to compromise and improve, for oneself and the SO. Kudos to those who feel butterflies in their stomach until the end, for most excitement changes form, but it doesn’t make it less worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 08:13 PM
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I, for one, try to see the nuances. I guess the idea of a “purple” pill (while such categorizations don’t make much sense to me) is to find some common ground in the middle between hopeless biological determinism and naive, rose (blue?) tinted delusions. Yes, it’s “some”, but I think the number of these “some” differs significantly between men and women. Just look at the comments here: “I was horny, I went out, I hooked up”. Only an extremely limited amount of very attractive (or manipulative) m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 04:28 PM
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“Beggars can’t be choosers”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 09:28 PM
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I, for one, never thought there is one
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 08:24 PM

I hear you, sincerely, that was the same for me. I burned about one third of my life with depression (and a suicide attempt) and many, many years without any kind of affection. When I was starting “catching up” I was obviously inexperienced for my age and got even called out. I felt like the worst loser. I made up for some of it, but I still have a hole in my soul this big for all the occasions lost, and while I more or less healed, some sadness is here to stay. I cannot be resentful of other pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 08:21 PM

We can only forgive something bad that was done to us. How can someone else’s past be something we have the right to forgive? Let alone if it’s something entirely legal as consensual sex? I admit I felt frustrated for not having easy access to sex, and seeing how fast girls could get it made me jealous when I was a teenager, but I met several women with a significant n count who were far better human beings than some embittered prudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 06:08 PM
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Because while libido is libido, there are indeed differences. https://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2018/07/Kennair-Wyckoff-Asao-Buss-Bendixen-2018-Why-women-regret-more.pdf And there’s plenty of comments of ladies who, perhaps overgeneralizing their own experience, state that “women don’t like casual sex for the sake of it” - perhaps the question is more addressed to that audience. I also think the question could be phrased more aptly, but I think it has merit - not everything should be dismiss…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:43 PM
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I play devil’s advocate. Phrasing aside, the question has its merit, albeit making the mistake of considering women as a monolith. There are many women that clearly state they don’t enjoy casual sex, that they regretted having it, or that they accepted it hoping it would be a starter for a deeper connection (happened to me, even with me making very clear upfront I wouldn’t want to commit). The question might make more sense directed to that group: many of these women often minimize the value of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:14 PM
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I have a kink, my wife hasn’t it, I gave up on it. Could sex be better? Definitely. But there are compromises acceptable on the long run. While I certainly am a little frustrated, I personally value stability above excitement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 02:20 PM

This. Those who rave about drinking male tears and get upset for not being taken seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:23 PM
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I am a musician and mostly more leaning towards intellectual activities. I never had an interest for “masculine” tasks, in part because of my nature, in part due to an absent father. I forced myself to do minor mechanical works to my car and I messed up. I can do painting, electrical, some plumbing, I am great at pest control, but again out of necessity, not interest. Being artistic wasn’t much of a plus in several relationships, so, tbh, I wish I was more the hand worker type.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 10:40 PM
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Most likely these men will end up unmarried.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:58 PM
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I can only speak for myself. I grew up in a machista culture where that kind of dichotomy was a common trope, but I outgrew it. First of all, I don't call someone promiscuous a whore, as I don't have any moral authority to discuss other people's sexuality. I also don't think there is a consequentiality between beauty and promiscuity. Sure, a beautiful woman has access to literally all the sex in the world and beyond, but there is plenty of attractive women who are not interested in hookups, wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:47 PM
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I lost almost my entire 20s to mental illness. I made up for the time lost having fun unapologetically in my early 30s, married mid 30s, I am almost where I hoped I would be at my age. I agree with you, one should not skip seasons, but if it happens, sometimes it can work out nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 10:33 PM
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That’s how men are wired. Instinctively being rejected is painful (darwinistically speaking, I guess, one feels they lost a chance to further his genes), but then rationality should kick in and prevent someone from reacting inappropriately (or worse) - this depends also a lot from the culture one is used to. At some latitudes boys are taught “not to take no for an answer”, in some other places the situation might be more developed. On a different note, not accepting the friendzone doesn’t necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 10:26 PM
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Not much vulnerability, more so helplessness. Someone helpless is vulnerable, someone vulnerable doesn’t have to be helpless. In my experience, when I was helpless, I was able to start some relationships with a deep initial connection, but they all eventually ended. After I got my shit together, I enjoyed a short lived hookup phase, where I hid my vulnerabilities, but I made little connection because I was showing just a shallow portion of myself. I finally got to the point where I can show my v…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 02:45 PM
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“Strategies”. Jeez. Are we talking about dating or going to war? Be yourself respectfully while reading the room, change course within the apt boundaries if needed, be honest to yourself and to your partner, step down if it doesn’t work. The rest is head games
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 02:22 PM
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In dumbf*** classist ‘murrica perhaps, where people are defined by their alma mater (compensating much?) fetish, and then you meet Ivy Leaguers (rofl) playing all classy who mistake Austria for Australia. There are plenty of people who didn’t have a chance to pursue a degree but were still able to build a very refined Weltanschauung, are well traveled and speak several languages.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:58 PM
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“For men its a brag to talk about how they mistreated a woman they were dating” What kind of men do you deal with?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:45 AM
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Not able to answer generally. If one is self-sufficient (on every aspect) and content with that, life is certainly less complicated, for a mere question of smaller amount of interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:03 AM
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If you really have yet to meet such a man you must have been quite unlucky
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 11:37 PM
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Thank you. It used to be, now I don’t care anymore, but it certainly had an influence on how warmly I might advocate for a cause. On a separate note, once I was told “I should apologize”. The reason why was “being a privileged cis/het white male, I should be sorry for femicides, patriarchy, etc.” Funny enough, people of my national origin were object of racial violence (including mass lynching), hence, being part of an once discriminated ethnic group, I am adamant when it’s about juridical abomi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 06:09 PM
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My experience is anecdotal. I was abused when I was young, that got me into a very dark place. For me, it was a sort of “Ludovico technique”, it annihilated me so much, to the point of becoming incapable of harm. That exposed me to additional abuse, also by women. After I healed, I was able to put myself back together, socially and work-wise, in a way that one couldn’t even guess what I got through. I had the chance to open up about my past, and in particular, the admittedly few relationships wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 05:30 PM
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Question out of genuine curiosity, if you don’t mind. How do you compare education? On a degree base (PhD > MSc > BSc), on a subject base (for some STEM > humanities - I don’t necessarily agree), on an Alma Mater ranking base (MIT > Mississippi Valley State). I have had some peculiar experience about “class” (or rather, abominable lack thereof) and general knowledge (also from some pompous Ivy leaguers) since I came to the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 01:00 AM

Unfortunately, this is the typical post being answered with a hasty “let them have cake” kind of reply by people in a position of privilege. People so shallow that are unable to tell apart necessity and sufficiency. Yes, we MUST be self-reliant and self-sufficient. There is no other way to live a healthy relationship: especially in the future, were vows will be entirely replaced by choice, entering a relationship from a position of need will be more and more a non-starter. And yes we MUST be our…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 04:53 PM
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Extremists like an echo chamber
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 04:19 PM
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The alleged problem is, that liberated women are free to be more promiscuous, but due to hypergamy they are still targeting the (smaller) pool of HVM leaving aside the “less desirable” men. If liberation granted average (or subpar) dudes more access to sex, no one would be advocating for slut shaming, but the fact of the matter is that the imbalance exist, biology is not fair, and some, short of other strategies, hope to counterbalance nature’s unfairness with social stigmatization. At the end o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 05:37 AM
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“It is entirely possible that the unachievable standards that some women have on social media like the infamous 666 will cease to exist” I am not sure how a reduction in the number of simps will have effects on hypergamy. True, there will be less orbiters, but why should people who prefer dating/mating “upwards” even care? They will still feel worthy of the same “HVMs” even without the validation of “LVMs”, in fact glad that the nuisance of the “less desirable” is out of the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 01:15 AM
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I couldn't agree more, I also experienced being blamed for not sticking around, after my warnings to get their shit together. "Can't you just accept me for what I am?" Fuck NO. I stopped trying to be the "fixer" and have stayed away from such relationships for years. I learned for myself that I couldn't live a healthy relationship from a place of dependency, so I worked on self sufficiency for a very long time. And it's my recommendation to all those struggling, it's a desert crossing, but there…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:24 PM
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I hope I didn’t pour salt on any wound of yours. My “One” was a little younger, but so incredibly bright. I was able to briefly help her through a couple of rough patches, and when it happened, seeing her blooming anew, was possibly the most rewarding feeling ever experienced. Little I knew, she would leave me soon, by phone, hastily and cold as ice. On the onset it was the worst feeling ever experienced. Falling from some sort of bard-knight-savior to a stupid loser dumped like trash. A couple …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:54 PM
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And oftentimes one sided. Ulysses got laid all through the Mediterranean while Penelope was at home keeping the suitors at bay with her tricks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 02:42 PM
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You didn’t say anything about your “pluses” though. Speaking merely of looks, if you are even moderately attractive many men won’t care if you’re Charles Manson reincarnated. But also, looks aside, struggling people oftentimes have an uncommon sensitivity that can be truly delightful to experience. I am a musician (no longer professional) and I had some serious mental health problems when I was younger. I used to be the artistic type, and unfortunately, at that age, many “artistic” people come w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 02:13 PM
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I think at the end all boils down to disorientation. A wedlock impossible to dissolve (while certainly a potential harbor of abuse, misery etc.) provided, at least on paper, some kind of “stability”. Now that “til death do us part” means nothing anymore, a relationship with kids, assets etc. can be voided in a second because of a wrong loaded dishwasher or a decrease in attraction from one part. To me, all these attempts to somehow bring back “ye olde good times” introducing anachronistic and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 02:00 PM
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That I am not able to answer. I don’t know if the people that say they are happy alone are then the same ones suffering of depression. In my personal (perhaps worthless) experience I saw women unable to compromise who ended up lonely and bitter, but also other ones seemingly content in their self sufficiency. On the other hand, I saw women that admittedly compromised and had long, fulfilling relationships with many grandkids and other ones caged in miserable wedlocks they loathed but hadn’t the …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 02:19 AM
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Once in a bar, a lady (mid 30s, fairly attractive, not in career) hit on me. I was quite overdressed (suit) for the venue, that might have had me stand out. We talked a lot, danced and kissed (she had a friend discreetly checking on her from afar). She said from the onset that she liked my type and would have wanted to see me again, while I repeatedly made clear that I wasn’t looking for anything serious, but we still ended up sleeping together. She contacted me again but I hadn’t changed my min…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:56 AM
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I absolutely agree with the fact that soulmate determinism is utter bollocks. The “there’s a Jill for every Jack out there” bullshit must be ended once and for all, same as those fantasies where the school nerd/weirdo conquers the beauty queen. Superstitious bogus threats like “what God has joined together, let not man separate” don’t scare anyone anymore, and the “party” historically submissive and dependent has achieved independence, reproductive and economic. Partnerships become more and more…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:45 AM
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I never did it and in the past 20 years I haven’t heard any of it. 20something years ago, some guys in my circle (I wouldn’t say direct friends) used to talk about it, which annoyed me. I am not a prude or anything, and I have no taboos, I just hate intruding in other people’s life, in particular about intimate details.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:21 PM
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I clearly stated that she didn’t accomplish a fraction of the smallest measurable (S.M.A.R.T.) goal we convened upon together, namely learn a system and configure it with the client. Something other people (including women) did easily for way less than what she earned. She was warned more times, but as I said, she preferred working her way otherwise and got what she deserved at the end. Overall, I gave her the chance to learn the job and she failed, because she got a boss who only looks at resul…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 08:33 PM
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I’d be genuinely (not judging, just curious) interested in seeing the demographic and societal changes connected to this, combined with the decline of male college attendance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 08:21 PM
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Malta?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 06:44 PM
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Something tells me you don’t live in rural Mississippi
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 06:43 PM
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Kudos for being able to lure someone to the UK
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 06:40 PM
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Not a matter of country but city/region. NYC is not Alabama, London is not Sunderland, Berlin is not some rural shithole. I lived in 4 countries (and visited 44 across 5 continents). In the same country I was treated like a prince and a crook depending on where I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 06:39 PM
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I come from a European country, my wife from another European country (where I lived and met her), we moved to the US, our kids, born here are tri-lingual and -cultural. My home country is curious towards foreign cultures (albeit, unfortunately, still fairly suspicious when not hostile to some), my wife’s country is stupidly chauvinistic and outrightly racist (more with southerners, less with anglos) but conforming to their customs I only partially suffered racism, also because my country is in …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:49 PM
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I agree to partly disagree. I had to fire an incredibly attractive coworker (which I didn’t hire in first place) who didn’t accomplish a fraction of the smallest (measurable) goal and was incapable of anything but flirting with the customers and the upper echelons of my company. Most men in the office turned against me for laying off the eye candy. Even the CEO, who never cared about way more senior hires in my team called asking me about her. And she didn’t even need to sleep with anyone, she j…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:21 PM
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You underestimate how desperate far too many men are
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:47 PM
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I don't think there is a "solution". "Til death do us part" is simply no more: individuals are becoming more and more independent, hence relationships will become more and more based on enjoying each other's company than on mutual support. And judging by how divorces are initiated, I suspect men particularly are up for lonely times. Sure, we can keep up with self improvement, but if the SO gets "bored", there is not much we can do anymore. I have the feeling, that the nuclear family as we know i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 05:14 PM
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What I am seeing, is a constant shift towards partnerships consisting of fully self-sufficient, self-reliant and independent partners who stay together because they enjoy each other’s company and break up when the enjoyment is gone. Evolutionally speaking, I understand a person leaving a fallen from grace partner, and that is happening with an increasing frequency. That of course includes “vulnerability”: there’s plenty of shitty partners that ghost at the first sign of it, but even among decent…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 03:11 PM
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Depression or any other pity based game is for losers. Don’t even know if it can get one anything more than some pity sex. And who’s clinically depressed has other stuff in their head than posting on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 12:34 PM
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That was my experience too as a man with a baggage. All women but one (a shitty human being regardless of her gender) acted with genuine compassion when I first told them my story. How they acted later on, depended on how I dealt with my baggage: in the years where I struggled with depression they left fast, and I can’t blame them, a SO is NOT a therapist. Years later, with my pieces back together they stayed and also were careful not to trigger some PTSD. I don’t make a mystery of being once br…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 09:47 PM
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I think it should go in both directions though. As I shouldn't be my SO's psychiatrist so she shouldn't be mine. She tended to react aggressively from time to time. I once made crystal clear that I wasn't willing to accept "tantrums": she worked on herself, first and foremost for her own sake, and for the relationship as well. Long before I suffered of heavy depression (with a suicide attempt). Oddly, that place of darkness even attracted some women (I am a musician, so I might have had some art…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 09:15 PM
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I think the debate (removing insults and other background noise) should go exactly in this direction. Why don’t we just accept? Many (I guess the silent majority) have already, the others will eventually, societal changes take time (and in some case grieving) to consolidate. Society was pushing the message that “there’s someone for everyone out there”. Men are discovering that not only this isn’t true, but also women have been becoming more and more independent in the meantime. While there is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 07:44 PM

You might be overestimating the self control of an attention/intimacy starved lonely man. There are so many embittered guys instantaneously turning into puss-in-boots-eyed submissive puppies when a woman is kind to them without ulterior motives, let alone when one is being manipulative…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 06:29 PM

And the same woman might want to move fast in one case and slow in another. Trying to investigate patterns is futile if one is not able to read the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:55 PM
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I think it’s exactly the point mercilessly being missed around here. And unfortunately the background noise (men behaving aggressively and women ridiculing them) diverts the focus from the issue. Fact of the matter is that there is (and in the future there will be even less) NO assurance that someone will get love. We have the right to PURSUE happiness, not to happiness itself. We can go extreme lengths for what it’s up to us alone. We can cultivate interests and friendships, volunteer, get fit,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 04:58 PM
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I do sincerely hope that purpose makes it all bearable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 04:36 PM

This. Kudos for your empathy. I knew people (educated and without underlying conditions) who had friends and interests and took their lives nonetheless, simply because they came to the conclusion that life without a romantic connection wasn’t fulfilling. I am a suicide survivor myself, and while my motives were different (abuse) I can’t help but deeply empathize with those who lose hope, because I know firsthand how badly our mind can trick us. And while anyone rational would agree that it’s no …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 03:30 AM
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I agree. I would be interested in seeing how society will evolve decades from now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 01:35 AM
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I don’t believe in “pills”, and I think that the reference to the Matrix is just a way to sugarcoat misery. This said, some behaviors ascribed to the bluepill are still quite widespread like: - Simping/orbiting - Believing that every Jack will find his own Jill - Believing that looks don’t count - Ignoring hypergamy Acknowledging the above doesn’t necessarily mean to believe in “pills” and finding a healthy way (that doesn’t include blaming, shaming or violence) to deal with it will be beneficia…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 01:28 AM
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Mine was higher but only because I “pre-checked” for interest. I would never approach a lady who didn’t look at me at least a couple times. And even there, if she stared and then looked away embarrassed that might have indicated she would feel too uncomfortable (women there are not the shameless trash bags you find in the UK and in some part of the US). If she smiled (not laughed), bingo. But without any hint of interest why even try?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 06:00 PM
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Barney Stinson being the epitome of this delusion (I am a late Gen X myself)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 05:48 PM
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Barney Stinson being the epitome of this late GenX delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 05:46 PM
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A couple of friends (we are late GenX a.k.a. Xennials) met on a train trip, still married after 16 years, with three kids. I know of other similar settings, but I would still consider them anecdotal (and also didn’t happen in America). About cold approach, I agree. Being shy when I was younger, I hated it. I come from a culture where hitting on women is almost considered a social obligation for men, hence, dumbly I felt pressured doing so from time to time. However I always “tested the waters” i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 05:42 PM
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Not sure it’s always a compensation though. I knew someone who took their life because of lack of intimacy, even having a healthy circle of friends, many hobbies and interests and no underlying conditions. Someone very educated who came to the point of saying “I don’t like the cards I was dealt, I am not interested in continuing this game”. While self-sufficiency will become more and more essential (and for me it’s a MUST have, before engaging in any relationship), I suspect we will hear of more…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 04:12 PM
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Only if his manipulative skills are good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 03:38 PM
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If the man is unattractive he can play hard to get as much as he wants. He will still be ignored. The rules of the game have changed for good, and for many, unfortunately the alternatives are simping or no interaction at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 03:36 PM
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In London I saw plenty of blokes drinking mocktails “for religious reason” (also smoking like chimneys, but hey, religion) and yet relentlessly hitting on every breathing being. And considering the inhuman quantities of booze people drink over there, being sober might not even be a disadvantage, if you can go past how obnoxiously trashy women are there…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 03:07 PM

Had to do the same. And while it was necessary I really didn’t like the process, it felt like subverting my nature. I seriously enjoyed being pursued (or chased) the few times it happened, but as a not overly attractive man that can’t be the norm, hence I needed to build a social interface from scratch, and it wasn’t easy. Darwinistically speaking, shyness is an evolutionary disadvantage for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:47 PM
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Not a waste of time per se. A very attractive man might not need to chase. I've personally always hated chasing (not only romantically) and while being only moderately attractive I also was chased several times, so I imagine a very attractive man will have it even easier. A mildly attractive man might succeed chasing. Whether the time and the efforts needed are worth "the prize" it's on him to assess. A less attractive or socially capable man must be ready for little to no probability of success…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 10:03 PM
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Being in a relationship is not merely about self worth though. I am a firm advocate for self-sufficiency, it’s a condicio sine qua non for well being. This said, while a person can survive with a healthy relationship with themselves, hobbies and friends, I understand if the lack of affection and intimacy might be a cause of unhappiness. And there are people who simply can’t get into a relationship, without being psychos, outcasts or weirdos. There are quite some people around here with pretty pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:49 PM
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“Qu’ils mangent de la brioche” I agree. While I advise against bitterness I don’t understand those preaching from a position of privilege. Not to speak those outrightly mocking other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:30 PM
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D. as a mix of A and C: flattered by the interest, understanding and supportive of her decision and open to reconnect anytime as friends if she ever wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:48 AM
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“First” meaning there is a “then”? If friendship alone (without benefits) is not the end game it very much depends on her intentions and on how he fits them. I saw neanderthal-like guys getting laid the same night without even speaking the same language of the lady and annihilating the “best friend” (orbiter) who simped for months.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:24 AM
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I battled with suicide-grade depression for several years where I went entirely “dry”. Happened in the years where people are “supposed” to have the most fun. After putting my pieces back together I hade a brief (and almost pathetically late) womanizer phase before settling with my now wife. And at the time nobody had to know about my previous problems, I just needed to refine my game but it didn’t take long. Taking literally anything personal in life is a textbook recipe for disaster. More so a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:05 AM
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I battled with suicide-grade depression for several years where I went entirely “dry”. Happened in the years where people are “supposed” to have the most fun. After putting my pieces back together I hade a brief (and almost pathetically late) womanizer phase before settling with my now wife. Taking literally anything personal in life is a textbook recipe for disaster. More so about something that, like it or not, nobody is entitled to, like sex, intimacy and romance. Little is better than nothin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:02 AM
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Yeah, I was told about them, I understand they are a thing here in the south east. I would have imagined this stuff would be taught at home though (I and some other unlucky boys of my circle were also taught how to dance a Viennese waltz without crushing the lady’s toes…)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 10:10 PM

I personally learned that self-sufficiency is paramount. I started my current relationship from a position of self-reliance and I agree that “enjoying” company is way healthier than “needing” it. And sure one can undoubtedly “survive” alone, with hobbies, pets, a social circle etc. but I understand if they find their life unfulfilling without intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 08:36 PM
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I was born in a European fashion capital. Back there, I mingled both with nobility and working class. I own a couple luxury watches, but none of them are Rolex, god forbid. In my circles, Rolex are shit for parvenu. Moving to the US I got shocked by how cheap wealthy people are. Not “cheap” in sense of assets, of course, but in terms of lack of culture and finesse. It’s revolting. True wealth is knowledge. Outside my family my circle is a group of international academics and artists. Some are be…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 07:22 PM
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Thank you Sir. And I agree, I personally find society is shit. I try to be as much as a humanist as I can, individual by individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:35 PM
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My father was abusive. He once beat my mother very badly to force her sell a share of the family business to a guy who then proved to be shady, a move that put the family in dire straits. He mentally abused me and my sister for years and while we somehow healed from our trauma it still shows a lot. He had a gambling debt before getting married, my mother helped paying it off. He cheated on her (but apparently she was frigid). He died relatively young and decades later my mother is still madly in…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 03:53 PM
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Where did you grow up, if I may ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 03:11 PM
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Interesting how perspective plays into this. For Europeans most America is parvenu. And I say it without any disrespect, it’s just how history is, in fact what I value the most here is the chance given to people who hadn’t, whereas in Europe the social mobility is subpar in comparison. But lack of lineage show. Especially here in the southeast, the prodigious vulgarity, sloppiness and crassness of the redneck wealthy make one cringe. Must be the colonial plantation mindset, I guess, I saw the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 02:53 PM
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Spot on. It takes some guts sometimes to read bp posts and comments, some of which might as well be criminal investigation material. Some look possessed by some sort of daemon, in this sense they remind me of addicts in withdrawal crisis. Volunteering, I’ve heard addicts saying things too horrible to be repeated, against people trying to save their lives. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, and there is no excuse for abuses, albeit verbal only. But still, even from the outside I see t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 06:22 AM
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Agree, I referred to a limited demographic sample. Whereas, back to my line of work, I didn’t even have to put effort in pursuing diversity, we engineers don’t give a flying one about ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation or looks: get the thing done and the job is yours. I hired people of every flavor and all of them crushed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:17 AM
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Those are the worst! From time to time some of them contact me on linkedin saying “I saw your profile and I think you’d be a good fit for a tremendous opportunity! Data entry associate!” (While I am an exec with 20 years of experience in Europe and the US) Then you look at their profile, they have some meme degree and their “experience” boils down to working in a frozen yogurt shop and volunteering in a cat shelter. But hey, I guess that will do for recruiting online. Truth be told, pretty privi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 01:04 AM
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Ja, davon hätt’ich auch genug. On the other hand, though, pretty privilege, albeit not being enough on the long run, still exists. In a company reorganization some years ago I took charge of an additional team of people I hadn’t hired. Among them, there was a ridiculously attractive lady that was hired for a software pre-sales position. My line of work is hardcore engineering, and while technical sales people must undoubtedly have that je-ne-sais-quoi to captivate a client, some technical knowle…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 03:12 PM
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Not trying to make any points, just not taking certain assertions seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 05:03 AM
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The “fantasy” is not about getting drinks bought (which happens), but using that to demonstrate that all women can get everything for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 04:54 AM
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I think it’s a fantasy overinflating the custom of paying for the ladies’ drinks at bars or clubs and the emergence of influencers receiving freebies from sponsors down to OF “contributors”. As if the few hours spent in a club on a Saturday night were representative of an entire week with all the expenses. Or if that minuscule percent of people making a real living out of OF were representative of the majority of women. While there certainly are people shamelessly taking advantage of others, I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 04:38 AM
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As far as I know self-styled incels don’t think of themselves as “alphas”, au contraire, they resent (and envy) them. Convinced (rightly or wrongly) that the cards they were dealt will prevent them from ever being “alphas”, they advocate vehemently against betabux, simping or any activity that might come off as servile towards women, actually promoting slut shaming and lingering on dreadful vengeance fantasies. It’s pure desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 03:37 AM
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It can go both ways. The difference is that who can have more choices (including staying single) might be less inclined to cling to an unfulfilling relationship. The rule now is “until dissatisfaction do us part”, better get used to it and not take anything for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 01:28 PM
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In history, until a very short time ago, common people starved, died in wars, famines or at 30 with diseases we treat nowadays with OTC meds. They were illiterate, superstitious, constantly in survival mode, little more than animals. And like animals, pretty much owned by this or that greedy, ruthless overlord. The only people who had time and health to think about “love or affection” were bards, poets and artists serving at the pleasure of their lordling, the filthy riff-raff had other prioriti…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 06:11 AM
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I agree, that’s easy. I am speaking about the right amount and quality of foreplay and innuendo, the role play, the right touch (it’s not just “where”, but “how” and “how strong”) and above all, making her feel at the center. In one word: finesse. It doesn’t take long, but it’s unlikely to be there in full from day one. And if she is used to a certain standard, she might not be interested in giving additional chances to improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:22 AM
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You misread my tone, assuming I am rp or bp. Of course, if it was rocket science there wouldn’t be 8 bn of us. But no matter how many guides one reads, I doubt his first time he will “master” it like his 1000th
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:41 AM
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Saying “everyone generalizes” is generalizing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:03 AM
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Not much a man can fake. He either knows “how” or not
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:04 AM
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Exactly. And at the “right” time as well, “late bloomers” get weeded out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:55 PM
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Lack of experience shows. Not just in terms of number of times but of partners as well. Everyone is different and one has to read the room and be able to correct the course as fast as possible. If someone’s experience is with rough play only, they might come off as too rough in a daintier setting. So you don’t have to trumpet around your experience, but if you’re inexperienced and your partner is not up for tutoring, you’re up for some disappointment Edit: spelling
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:34 PM
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Let the Jäger flow
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:43 PM
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Yikes. Reminds me of school “occupation” and “self-management”. Was quite a thing in public schools back in the day where I am from.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:55 PM
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I am an exec in robotics and automation, that’s about what I say of my job. I mostly listen and say “aha”, nodding to stay awake. I would have thought ivy league people and their kin would develop some discourse depth, but besides an outstanding savviness in finance or engineering, it’s a cultural desert. We Europeans are lucky though. Before kids I traveled to 44 countries even on month long trips, something barely imaginable in the US, it’s like living in 4K as opposed to the (well paid, in fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:16 PM
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The “pill” debate per se is mostly about intimate relationships, and this is quickly mentioned in the last line of the post: “learn to talk with the opposite sex”. “Go out with friends, and you will not be alone” duh… then we could also add some other banalities like “work out and you’ll be fit” or “study and you’ll become an expert”. Ça va sans dire that an outdoorsy and relational lifestyle is healthier, but while it might help, it won’t “solve” an extremely ramificated and convoluted social i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 03:40 PM
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You don’t solve the loneliness issue this way. I am a European x-ennial (or late genx), I spent my whole childhood outdoors, playing football (a.k.a. soccer) on every road corner, biking in quarries, with almost no “screen time”. We had mixed youth groups that hung out together, went to water parks, hiking, skiing, etc. and even in a highly communicative setting, only a very limited amount of boys was able to go beyond friendship with the opposite sex. And don’t get me wrong, I am not judging an…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:57 PM
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Short after moving to the US, I attended an event organized by the affiliates of a local art museum. I am an art history buff, and being new to town, I guessed that would be an interesting environment for a chat. I wasn't looking for a date, just plain, laid back conversation. I started chatting with a lady who, hearing I came from a European country with a significant UNESCO heritage let me know she was "omygawsh, totes" (*cringe*) about paintings. I mentioned Caravaggio and his chiaroscuro. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:54 PM
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I have yet to see a relationship surviving for long solely on the looks of either partner. Without an intellectual connection I, for one get bored after a while, and so most men of my circle
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:32 PM

Indeed. However there can be nuances to that. I met my wife when I was in a rough patch at work, I was also overweight and my unhealthy lifestyle was reflected in subpar performance, at the beginning. Things improved rapidly though, and some weeks later we were literally having marathons, on every surface in the house (and outside), groins on fire. If she judged me by the first 3 intercourses (and she would have every right to do so) things would have gone differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:16 PM

True, but some preferences/kinks cannot simply be guessed. And exploring them together the right way can strengthen the bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:11 PM
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As I said above, leadership is not domination or overpowering. It means being able to take charge, at the right time. And true leadership shows in the storm, not on calm sea. Trumpeting “I am the boss” reminds me of animals pounding their chests or sporting their genitalia to display dominance
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:44 PM
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I think this is exactly the kind of experience many (most?) young men the same age would also long for (I certainly would have at the time) and the lack thereof creates bitterness. Not saying anyone is entitled to anything, but the pain is there, and too often it gets ridiculed or amplified by societal pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:26 PM
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I think “virgin” for a man means “inexperienced”. Sure, having done it once voids the v-card on paper, but the lack of experience shows, even if we don’t tell it upfront.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:13 PM
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She made some points that seem to be quite usual in the common discourse though, like “not wanting a beta/doormat”. Pesky lingo aside (which btw would be chastised, if used against other societal groups), that kind of rhetoric is widespread and accepted and adds to the confusion. Willingly or not, she looks like she’s sponsoring the RP…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:01 PM
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I wouldn’t say “leader” men don’t want “leader” women. Leadership does not mean “dominance” in animal or feudal terms. It means knowing how and when to be “in charge” (“I got this”) and that’s a quality not necessarily correlated to one’s echelon. Only frail egos are scared by true leaders.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:53 PM
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Any man who says “I am the king” is no king
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:06 PM

Same. Many self-styled feminist men I met here and back in Europe at the end were glorified simps in disguise. Some even turned to rp/bp after their efforts (including active campaigning) didn’t get them what they wanted in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 12:22 PM
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I struggled with suicide-grade depression in my teens and twenties. That devastated my social, affective and academic life, I lost a good decade, or even more. You’re going through literal hell, but you still want to give hope, that’s praiseworthy. Stay strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:01 AM
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Mae Jemison https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mae_Jemison
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:28 AM
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There is a cultural factor too. In northern Europe I saw plenty of casual dressed women being way more “open” than their Mediterranean counterparts still dressing super feminine even way into a committed LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:29 PM
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I never ever met a feminist here in the US or back in Europe in a LTR with a man not sharing her values, if not entirely at least to a major extent (not talking about casual stuff). I don’t think a misalignment on something so foundational could make a relationship work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 06:50 PM
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Dressing sexy doesn’t imply infidelity. Many women (for example from southern cultures) keep dressing extremely feminine well into LTRs. In northern Europe I saw women dressed like trash cans behaving way more promiscuously than their more feminine Mediterranean counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:49 PM
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I am an engineer and semipro musician. I would have cringed if anyone gave presents to my kids reflecting my profession(s), and honestly I am surprised reading this is this much of a thing, but I am just a eurodude living in the US, so still learning some of the interpersonal dynamics…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:16 PM
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