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DebateKaleidoscopetide/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:47 AM
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DebateKaleidoscopetide/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:31 PM
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Men’s groups are totally normal, at least where I live, and nobody’s pathologizing them. My friend goes to a men’s AA group. Another friend’s husband goes to a father’s group. My dad has “boys reunions” with his friends from middle school every year, where he and like 8 other dudes go camping for a week and they all have matching t shirts. A ton of my friends are on men’s only sports teams. I know a guy in a men’s bible study group. The “alpha bro retreat” is one specific extremely silly social …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:21 AM
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If the economy will collapse unless the number of humans on earth increases indefinitely, that means it will collapse. This is unavoidable. The earth can't support infinite people; we're already overheating the planet, turning farmland into desert, causing a mass extinction event, running out of fresh water because there are so goddamn many of us. The more the population balances out gradually, because people who want 0 or 1 or 2 or 3 kids have access to birth control and are happier for it, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:32 PM
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No. My stupid gerbil doesn't know anything about gender or duality or the fact that he exists, but he mated with a girl gerbil, and not with any of his brothers (and they're usually pretty down with incest), so I think you would call him heterosexual. Heterosexual people are the same: they see traits like soft skin, slim waist, thick booty and have the same biological response as my gerbil.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:19 PM
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No. It's subconscious homophobia if a man who has had sex with men gives you a weird icky feeling--that icky feeling is the "phobia." It's conscious homophobia to believe that non-straight men are oversexed and overly promiscuous, insufficiently "manly," and have STIs. You can date as many straight men and as few bi men as you want, but I think it's true, on a broad scale, that the reason many straight women don't want to date bi men is because of the icky feeling and the stereotypes, not becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:04 PM
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Tbh, again as a bisexual myself, I do not consider biphobia a very useful word most of the time. Straight people who have an aversion to bisexual men because they have sex with other men are having a phobic reaction to homosexuality, not…the fact that bi dudes also are attracted to women. Gay people who have funny paranoid ideas about people who engage in heterosexuality, have something different going on in my personal opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:55 PM
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I would call that homophobia and sexism
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:05 PM
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Yeah fair 👍 I say “subconscious” as a bi person myself because some women (and men. really it’s the same regardless of gender) actively believe things like “gay people and straight people are basically the same and deserve to be treated equally” but they have an instinctive disgust response to gayness. It’s still homophobia, but at least in my life I’ve found it worth making the distinction between people who WANT to be homophobic and people who don’t want to be but are anyway. I would say a per…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:53 PM
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I do not think it’s that complicated. A lot of people just have subconscious homophobia
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:01 PM
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Please quote me saying that. Also, what are you arguing? That women are innately incapable of making good movies? Are you aware that action movies are a subgenre for which men are a primary audience—why choose the amount of money made by action films specifically as a measure of…artistic merit?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:10 PM
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Okay well the reason the term ‘male gaze’ is more often used than ‘female gaze’ is because men make up the vast majority of directors, and many films that are not intended only for men are shot in a way that positions the (mixed-gender) audience as a man looking at women, rather than, say, a woman looking at men, despite the fact that men and women both watch a lot of movies. This was VERY true in the 70s, when the term was invented, and it is still pretty true today. So OP (and you) are saying …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:12 PM
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Respectfully, man, I think you have misunderstood my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:45 PM
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Supernatural fans 🤝GoT fans (incl me)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:34 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:32 PM
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Even if I take everything you say as gospel truth, none of it contradicts what I said. For example, ignoring the fact that the number of TV shows where every episode is directed by one person are vanishingly rare, and overlooking the fact that the position of showrunner is a pretty different job from that of director, and the fact that the TV industry is different and I was not talking about showrunners, could it not be true that 2/3 of women’s three favorite shows (which are what? Based on what…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:29 PM
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I like it 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:37 AM
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I do and have—I dated a guy who was REALLY broke once and I paid for every one of his meals because I had more money. But I think in general, over time, things should about even out to 50/50, or at least a “from each according to his ability” situation. Plus if everyone just pays for their own meal they can order what they really want, even if that thing is expensive, without being rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:34 AM
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What I meant by “men usually eat and drink more” is that men are generally larger and require more food to be full and more alcohol to feel an effect than women do to achieve the same level of fullness and effect, not that men choose to get drunker than women choose to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:38 AM
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Counterpoint: men usually eat and drink more. I am 5’2 and don’t drink alcohol; when I eat out, I get an appetizer and a water. Usually my bill is about $15. Usually my dates bill is 30+. I hate hate HATE alternating because it means im paying more than my fair share. Everyone should just pay for their own food imo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:56 AM
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Yes. People tend to develop feelings for people they see every day. I always assumed this was true of both men and women, but what do I know?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:46 PM
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And then they wonder why the woman they married because she didn’t have very much sex…doesn’t want to have very much sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:40 PM
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“The male gaze” is a term from film theory, and it refers to the fact that, although filmgoers are about 50/50, only a tiny minority of film directors are female. When you watch a movie, the camera serves as your “eye,” and it focuses on what the director assumes you will find interesting. Because most directors are (straight) men, that often means that the camera lingers on things that straight men will find interesting (women’s legs and butts and breasts and sometimes feet), and not on the thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:27 PM
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I think this is a very typical example of guys on this sub confusing “dominant and aggressive,” “physically attractive,” and “willing to take risks.” Magic Mike and “muscular guys dancing around naked” are physically attractive, but dancing around naked is not being aggressive or trying to “dominate” anyone. Your first study refers to women preferring “masculine faces and bodies,” not aggressive and domineering personalities—and certainly not dangerous ones—at different points in their cycle, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:17 PM
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Ok so college admissions are biased towards men and software engineering jobs are biased toward women. Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:49 PM
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College admissioins favor men (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/magazine/men-college-enrollment.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share) at least in the US. This despite colleges being legally prevented from doing the same for students from disadvantaged racial/ethnic/national backgrounds. Where's the data that shows female names get more jobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:13 PM
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Man if you are getting rejected by hundreds or thousands of women I think your strategy is the one that needs work
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:59 PM
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Nah they reached a 3 mil settlement with the first suit. And then hundreds more men came forward and sued. Lawsuits are expensive, even if you don’t lose—enough to make a company fold altogether or, in Bumbles case, acquiesce and become another Hinge.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:05 PM
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But wasn’t that cause it got sued by men who felt discriminated against?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:48 PM
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Yeah young people are often kind of assholes with poor judgement and poor understanding of themselves and their sexuality. This is true of both men and women, because kindness, good judgement, an understanding of which social norms are arbitrary and dumb (like sex negativity) and which are actually important (like tipping) are skills people have to develop. I think it's a total myth that girls and women "mature faster"--people who think that often find themselves shocked by the fact that young w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:20 PM
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Idk if it's because of *my* advice, but most of them have hit on men themselves at least a few times. One got a negative response from a guy she liked, who said it made him feel "weird" for her to take the initiative re: hitting on him, going in for the kiss first after a date, going dutch etc, which unfortunately turned her off from doing that, despite my (earnestly believed) insistence that most guys aren't like that. One asked a guy out who is now her husband. So, you know
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:11 PM
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Pathologizing means treating something like an illness (a pathology). It's not pathological for a person who doesn't want a bf all that much to not try all that hard to get one. Lots of women just find modern dating so impossible and demoralizing that they determine the juice ain't worth the squeeze, make their peace, and do other things instead. Different people have different priorities and preferences, and they make different decisions based on those preferences--that doesn't mean they're psy…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:00 PM
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Well I mean this whole “are women more generous than men” topic isn’t one I was arguing for—you brought that one up, which is cool, but it’s not my point—and I certainly don’t think women are born with more generosity than men. I brought up the fact that women as a population give more of themselves than men and are more involved with their communities and with those suffering from “real world problems” to challenge OP’s assertion that women “have been socially programmed to be selfish and narci…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:19 PM
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Actually, most recipients of “passive income”—landowners, stockholders, people who make money by HAVING things instead of doing things—are men. Men receive way more of other people’s hard-earned wages than women do. I assume you’re referring to the fact that more women than men choose to be stay-at-home parents, but, if that’s so, you’ve just misunderstood the nature of marriage as an economic partnership. If you start a business with a guy who does the accounting, and you do the advertising, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:29 PM
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Actually, when my female friends complain about how they don’t have bfs and ask for my advice, I also tell them that the way to get a bf is by asking dudes out. Generally the way you know if you should advise someone to change some aspect of their life is if it makes them unhappy and they express that to you and are looking for solutions. Not if I think that they are being too passive or whatever; I do think that, about a lot of women, and then I think ‘well, different strokes’ and mind my busin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:13 PM
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“Having friends undermines your chastity and disrupts the gendered hierarchy” <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:47 PM
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Women make up the vast majority of organ donors, and men the vast majority of recipients. Women also make up a majority of volunteer workers, even though, statistically, they have less free time than men. Women are also significantly less likely to beat, kill, or disable people they don’t like for perceived disobedience. How do you define self-centeredness and narcissism?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:49 PM
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Yeah I mean even in the west most relationships do not begin with someone hitting on a total stranger. I live in the US and of all the couples I know or have ever met, only one began with asking out a stranger (via the apps.) Every other couple I know (which is a lot!!) is composed of people who worked together, attended school together, or took part in hobbies together and were part of the same social circle. Then, you know, person A tells mutual friend B that they have a crush on person C, B a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:36 PM
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I have no opinion on vtubers. I also do not think sex work is ‘icky.” People can do what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:55 PM
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Girl I think maybe u are sleeping with the wrong men. Get u a bisexual septumpierced matcha-drinking Sylvia Plath-reading high body count manslut is my advice
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:05 PM
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Other sex acts 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:43 PM
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I’m a feminist and I (mostly) agree! Certainly where I live (the US) we have a huge over-incarceration problem does not accurately represent the populations of people who commit crimes. For example, black Americans are often sentenced to far longer prison sentences for the same crimes. I think the most pressing moral issue in the US, period, is the institutionalization of rape-as-punishment in our prisons; of everything we do wrong in this country, that is what will most viscerally horrify our g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:41 PM
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We are all different! I’m sexually dominant, like a guy who’s chubby and hairy, am on birth control, think it’s hot when a dude comes fast, and my FWBs have generally been big cuddlers, so it is worth it for me to have casual sex with the guy I currently have casual sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:01 PM
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The issue isn’t with him asking. The issue would be with him thinking that sexual success is bad if it’s a woman doing it. I want an egalitarian relationship, so a guy who has different standards for men and women’s behavior is not going to work for me. I am also sex positive, I think sex is a fun, beautiful thing, and I want a partner who shares my values.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:38 PM
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Well that is not my opinion or the opinion of most scholars
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:44 AM
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What are you defining as Misandry, here? It’s one thing to say that men are born inferior and should be subjugated; it’s another thing to say that the social class of men are in the social position of disproportionate and undue power over women, as a class. This is the difference between saying that white people are naturally lacking in empathy (which is racist) and saying that white people occupy a social position that gives them undue power over the lives of black people, who are systemically …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:25 AM
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Women don't dislike men more than in the past, at least in my experience. Women of my mother and grandmother's generations were absolutely simmering with resentment towards men, who they knew were just as smart and moral as them but who had all the money and all the power. You should have heard my old aunties talk! But you, strange man on the internet, did not have access to their knitting circles etc. Now you do. Not only that, but you are plugged into an algorithm that makes its money by findi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:48 PM
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I'm so sorry that happened to you. You're right that there is enough variability in the size and strength of men, and especially between men and boys, that places where the rape of men and boys is institutionalized to varying degrees--American prisons, catholic boarding schools and orphanages, and more--seem to have the same rates of sexual assault as places where the rape of women is institutionalized. So, I take that part back. Thank you for making me reconsider.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:36 PM
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I agree. What I mean that it seems like there is a whole category of sex crimes that *do* involve overpowering the victim, which would be very difficult or impossible for most women to victimize most men with, and I've never seen any data that indicates that women commit more rape by via threats, weaponry, drugging, or victimizing people too intoxicated or too young to consent than men do, so I was struggling to conceptualize how women could then make up a majority of rapists. I agree that male …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:29 PM
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Literally the same kind that men find acceptable from other men, and that men find acceptable from women, and that women find acceptable from other women: little white ones, usually in service of politeness. For example, when I ask what he is doing, and he’s taking a giant shit, “just chilling”is a fine answer. If I ask HOW he’s doing, but he doesn’t want to talk about his feelings right now, “good” is a fine answer. This is because those are polite ways of saying “none of your business,” and he…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:25 PM
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I don’t know how to say this without being insensitive, and I truly do not want to be, but physically how can it be possible that men are the majority of rape victims? I understand that rape is often not about sexual attraction and is instead about power, but the fact that most men are heterosexual and closer in size and strength to other men surely has an impact with male perpetrators. With regard to female perpetrators, I don’t understand how there could be more female perpetrators and male vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:09 AM
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Lmao those ancient 35 year old crones writing on their clay tablets. Anyway I do think that some older people do give advice that’s similar to “just walk in there and ask for a job;” on the other hand, I, a zoomer, have gotten two jobs by just walking in there with a printed resume. Dating advice from older people is like that too: there are technologies that are designed to filter out a majority of people that did not exist when they were young, but there are ways of bypassing those technologie…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:31 PM
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Fair enough. That’s kind of similar to what linguists do—there’s no way to prove the existence of proto-indo-European, for example, but studies like the ones you describe are still of academic and intellectual value because they show that it is extremely likely that, for example, German and Sanskrit have the same origin. I guess I just read so much more “Reddit evopsych,” which takes the fact that a certain sociological phenomenon would make sense to have evolved embedded in our brains as proof …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:21 PM
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I don’t consider it anti-intellectualism. I worked in academic publishing for years, and a key principle of academic and scientific rigor, what differentiates it from something Joe Schmo writes for the Huffington Post, is a refusal to jump to conclusions and a willingness to acknowledge every area that lacks proof. For example, the first article you linked does not presume to offer a cause for the greater variability in male intelligence scores. This is not because the scientists who wrote it ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:05 PM
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The thing about evolutionary psychology is that it cannot, by its very nature, be proven or prove anything else. Just because it would make sense for women to be more “hypergamous” doesn’t prove anything, because evolution doesn’t work like that. A huge number of our traits are the result of random genetic drift, and even more are the result of being genetically tied to a different advantageous trait. Plus, it is extremely difficult to prove the origin of any psychological phenomenon, because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:40 PM
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Sure. Women know that if they do not have a partner, they will experience loneliness. Many choose loneliness anyway, because they find it preferable to what would be in store for them with the men they can attract. It’s not about “goodness.” As you say, the dating market is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:20 PM
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Never. I also don’t think it is fair or appropriate to say “you should have gotten an alarm system” to someone whose house was broken into, or “you should have stayed in at night” to someone who was mugged. If person A does something bad to person B, it’s kind of insane troll logic to blame person B for letting them. Guys on this sub seem to understand this perfectly well when it comes to them—for example, if I were to ask“when is it fair to say ‘you should have acted normal’ to bullying victims…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:14 PM
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For me, it doesn’t happen just from seeing a guy—I have to hear and smell him too. But of the guys I can see, hear and smell who are close enough to my age, yeah, a decent number of them get me going.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:17 AM
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Idk about her but I’ve definitely had sex with ur wife
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:07 PM
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The concept of money is indeed very creepy. Are you as close friends with your boss as you are with your coworkers? Can you be completely honest with said boss? I know that my old boss thought we were friends, but I thought he was an ass the whole time—I just couldn’t tell him that, because I needed him to like me so that I could eat food and have a house. The way I look at it, a relationship that lacks equality is just like a relationship that lacks honesty or loyalty or mutual respect or anyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:44 PM
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Personally I can’t imagine enjoying “sexual favors” that someone is doing for reasons other than their own horniness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:54 PM
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Yeah I mean some of the things you describe are definitely examples of women choosing to do things. But idk it seems like being abused or broken up with are actually something that the other person does. Don’t men have something called agency too?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:38 PM
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Man that is not what happened where I live in the US. Kids were out of school for a year+ here, and even when schools opened back up, they couldn’t see the faces of other students, which is important for developing social skills. There’s still a significant “Covid gap” in academic skills here; why wouldn’t there be one for social/dating skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:32 PM
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Taking out the trash is not, like, a favor men do for women. If trash is somebody’s chore, they should take it out when the trash can is full or starts to smell. The time limit is “before the trash is full or stinky.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:43 AM
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Yeah. And then some people get psychologically traumatized later on or develop mobility issues or chronic illnesses or skin conditions etc that also shape their dating success. It’s not just early childhood. Specifically, there’s a whole generation of 20-somethings whose adolescent development—when they would normally be coming to understand their attraction and people of different sexes etc—was spent alone in their bedrooms. I’m talking about Covid, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:55 PM
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Lmao “watch them lust after a muscular athlete but date a skinny twig of a guy…see their Instagram story and watch how they date multiple ethnicities over the course of a few years” perhaps these women know what they want and what they want is not like…a specific ethnicity of guy? Like maybe there are qualities besides ethnicity and BMI that, say, a black man and an asian man might share, and women may like those qualities 🤷‍♀️ idk Anyway I’m a woman and I know what I want, which is to be left a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:41 PM
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Where are u getting this data? Edit: also how are sports not leisure? Unless they are professional sports
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:22 PM
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“Woman sexual assault is another man’s woman lying about sexual assault” no, actually, the “male version” of sexual assault is sexual assault. Also, women are constantly asked to donate our time, labor and resources, and we generally do it more than men. Women spend more time doing chores and less time doing what they want than men, on average, regardless of whether they work full-time outside the home. Women also volunteer more on average, despite having less free time on average, and give more…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:08 PM
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My friend that is not what inherently means
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:37 PM
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I mean below national averages. Not, like, what I feel like is sort of a b grade dude. And I didn’t think these guys were b grade dudes! I thought they were A- grade dudes. But not in any way you could measure with numbers
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:48 PM
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How can you be inherently rich?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:53 PM
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I think the problem is that 1. Dating apps just aren’t as appealing to women, because women are smaller and have less testosterone and therefore they are warier of meeting strangers online and their sexual arousal is less visual and more auditory/olfactory/etc, so there are fewer women on them and they use them less often, so supply and demand gets messed up. And 2. We have a whole generation of young people who spent their teens—when people usually learn how to date and navigate their own and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:46 PM
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Lmao please explain how being born in a rich country makes someone “better in every way.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:23 AM
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I mean, idk what to tell u man. Chad and Stacy aren’t real. I have personally been attracted to and very much enjoyed sex with many dudes who are below average height and/or skinny or chubby or whatever. The best sex I ever had was with a short husky guy. I personally know several women who are mad with lust about their objectively average-looking boyfriends and husbands and are concerned when they get ED or have sex less often. I guess I could be the only woman in the world like this, and all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:32 AM
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No. Most women experience sexual attraction to the men they see around; some experience sexual attraction to the women they see around; a very small percent are asexual. Why do you think women date and have sex, if not to date and have sex? We don't need to fuck in exchange for resources anymore. Hell, why do you think women cheat on their partners as much as men do, if not because they are similarly driven to have sex with a man they see around, even when it is against everyone's interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:31 PM
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Unequal power 👍 like one person is the boss of the other person
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:22 PM
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Sure, I mean, nothing wrong with going to a place where the average height is shorter, for example, or where beauty standards better match your looks, or where you are considered cooler and richer than you would be at home. But I also believe that equality, like honesty and loyalty, is an important part of a relationship and that the lack of it causes suffering, so I disapprove of the specific type of passport bro-ing where Western men go looking for an explicitly unequal relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:21 PM
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I mean, respectfully, what areas? In the US, men are favored in college admissions (source) (source). They are favored in the workplace, where they receive more promotions and better pay (source). They are favored in medicine, because most medicine is tested on male subjects, and they are favored in politics. They're also favored by nature, on account of being physically larger, stronger, and more energetic; they gain muscle more easily and are less likely to be chronically ill, and they don't s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:12 PM
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You don’t? I’m just saying that it’s real.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:22 PM
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Reading the article and, okay, damn. Consider me convinced—women are just as unhappy as men are, or men are only as unhappy as we are, etc. But then…I mean, idk how to say this, but why do you think men are making such a big deal about their unhappiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:58 PM
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Bruh I did not think u were a woman. Anyway, I think perhaps the reason men are having so many problems finding partners is BECAUSE they were “raised to be men,” that is, without social networks that can help them find a match; without the skills to make themselves appealing (grooming, style, etiquette, sensitivity); without a sense of gratitude for their independence; without friends they can hug and comfort and receive comfort from, so that they are not so desperate for one woman to do all tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:11 PM
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Good. Girls aren’t having a loneliness epidemic; maybe the way they’re raised is better suited for an industrialized world. Like, you’d think men would have a leg up in terms of happiness, because testosterone is basically a recreational drug that makes a person more energetic, angry instead of sad, and put on muscle so easily; men are bigger, stronger, and don’t have to spend a quarter of their lives in pain. And yet! They are disproportionately unhappy. So I think something about how boys are …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:42 PM
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What’s with this idea that all men went to war? Throughout most of human history, most people—men and women—were subsistance farmers, and the thing about farming is that if everybody leaves the seasons will still change and there will be famine. Most hunter-gatherers today do not exist in a constant state of war; most do not go to war at all. In fact, one might argue that men are ill-suited to killing, given that killing other people generally traumatizes them forever. Hunting, maybe. War, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:37 PM
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It’s not a theory. It’s the fact that men are overwhelmingly in ‘ruling’ positions of power. This is easily verifiable. Why is it alienating?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:02 PM
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It is sexist because it treats men and women differently in a way that restricts opportunities of women. I would indeed say exactly the same thing about a female CEO refusing to have work dinners with her male colleagues only, if such a thing were ever to occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:37 PM
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I mean, I think you kind of have a point? Like, I don’t think it’s “hypergamy” for me to only date guys who are equal to me in terms of being “aligned, reserved, social, emotionally intelligent, well groomed, fashionable, and moral.” It’s just that the skills that make a person good at being in a relationship—stability, pro-sociality, being kind and nice, ability to make yourself look attractive—are generally better taught to little girls than little boys. And that’s a shame! If I have boys I wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:56 PM
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Ayy man I also have sensory issues, laziness, and trauma that makes me HATEE cooking. And not know how to do it. I feel u
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:28 PM
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The thing about finding a romantic connection is that a lot of it comes down to luck, and it generally makes people crazy to live for a single goal that they don't actually have control over.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:19 PM
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I agree that dating apps have ruined everything for everyone. Let's stop using them. This will require going to bars. A lot of guys have trouble getting a first date at all on the apps. Some of those guys are confident, socially adept, have lots of wingmen they can bring to the bar, and are just short; they benefit from meeting women in a situation where they can showcase their strengths and where people are mostly sitting down.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:05 PM
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Bear's fatal flaw is cowardice. This is established early in the movie, with innocuous things like him being too scared to tell Nikki how he feels, and then, as the story becomes higher-stakes, waffling around and taking the easy way out, until it's too late. This is because "Obsession" is a competently-constructed tragedy. Nikki herself is not particularly brave, either, but the movie isn't *about* her--she gets possessed almost immediately, and so her personality has no bearing on the actual p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:27 PM
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The wage gap refers to the true fact that men make more money. It's not a myth. Any specific *why* and *how* men make more money--for example, men being promoted to leadership positions by the other men already in those leadership positions; a lack of paternity leave that means it always has to be the female parent who stays home, regardless of the specific preferences of the couple; the idea that women are responsible for most cooking, cleaning and childcare no many hours they work--doesn't mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:55 PM
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Not trying to argue that being an activity makes sex less important.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:09 AM
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Not where I live. Im on the east coast of the US, and it's pretty common. Lots of men, including 2 of my uncles, are married to women who make more money than them. Are you saying that those men never cheat on their wives? Are you saying their wives wouldn't divorce them for it? What? What is it you think my stance is? I'm just saying easily verifiable facts. Why am I wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:06 AM
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what on earth does that have to do with anything
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:11 AM
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I actually think they are exactly the same. I think there is no meaningful difference at all between a birth certificate and a marriage certificate, the fact that the dad in your situation would have to pay child support and the wife in my situation would have to pay alimony. How aren't they the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:05 AM
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I'm a socialist woman. I personally think that people who have decided to become doctors should be able to choose a job where the government, rather than the patient, pays them, because healthcare keeps people alive, able to work, able to pay taxes that fund healthcare etc. I do not personally agree with it, but I can understand the perspective that people who have decided to be sex workers should be able to choose a job where the government, rather than the client, pays them. I disagree with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:28 AM
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Agree! I think this is very fair. But, I mean, this mechanism of treating sex as a resource isn't neutral either--it resulted in women being treated as property and second-class citizens. So I wouldn't call it a very good reason in a moral sense, since it is both literally false and causes harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:24 AM
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So is a marriage certificate! So is allimony!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:22 AM
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True, but that's not ping-pong itself. Sex partners could be considered a "human resource," but sex itself is not. Also, in a world where ping-pong is very meaningful and has the power to create human life, it makes sense to be very sad that there are not people in your area who want to play ping-pong with you. Hell, even if you just really like ping-pong, it still makes sense. But that still doesn't mean that you can redistribute ping-pong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:20 AM
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No it's not? Gold, for example, exists in a specific, limited amount on our planet--does sex adopt that property because it can be monitized?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:14 AM
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Edit for clarity and concision: No it's not! If a man is married to a woman who makes a lot of money, and he has an affair, and his wife would no longer be married to him or fund his lifestyle if she knew he was having an affair, it is still not illegal for him to lie about the affair. He's extracting resources under the *exact same* false pretenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:05 AM
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This is pretty vague. Are you saying ping-pong and sex aren't analogous because sex has deeper personal and social meaning? The thing about an analogy is that the two things don't have to be identical in every regard; both ping-pong and sex are activities, not things, and my post is about sex being an activity, not a thing, and so it's appropriate to liken the activity-ness or ping-pong to the activity-ness of sex. How important sex is socially and culturally has no bearing on whether it is an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:42 PM
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Why is it only fraud when women do it? Isn't it as much fraud for a man to cheat as a woman? Fraud just means deceit. Most types of deceit, including all types of deceit about the nature of familial relationships, are not illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:36 PM
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No punishment. The government where I live (USA) does not punish people for cheating or for lying, and I think that’s good, and I don’t think an exception should be made for women who cheat and lie about it. The punishment for paternity fraud, just like the punishment for having a secret second family as a man, and for all other forms of dishonesty and infidelity, is that if your spouse finds out they will divorce you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:31 PM
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Idk. They may want to hang out less than your male friends because heteronormativity dictates that if you hang out TOO much with someone of the opposite sex, you must be trying to be more than friends. This is silly, ofc, but it’s still powerful, especially if they have bfs they’re worried about offending. I also wonder if it’s a kind of a cultural difference with the way men and women are raised, that women see canceling plans with friends as less of a big deal? Someone else please illuminate m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:27 PM
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Man “would you love me if I was a worm” started out as a joke, from an internet jokester who tweets jokes (Farha @shutyourhell) that became a meme because it is funny. It was never intended seriously, so I would not consider it mocking to laugh at it. I mean, some TikTok idiots of both genders failed to get the joke, which is annoying, and some of those idiots were men and boys who were like “women are sooooo stupid why do they want to know if I would love them if they were worms” but, you know.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:16 PM
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She literally calls it a perk NOT to be catcalled, expresses her regret at being raised to feel like being attractive to random men is so important to her self-worth, and says that she “knows better” than to be nostalgic about cat calling. “There’s a freedom to that – I wouldn’t trade my quiet morning walks for the hellishness of my teen years [when she was catcalled] for anything. But when you’re brought up to feel that the most important thing you can be is attractive to men, the absence of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:05 AM
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Nobody is calling men paranoid or closeted creeps for…not hitting on random women. Is that what you mean by approach? “Society” considers it women’s responsibility to constantly monitor the men around them to avoid being physically harmed. It is nice when men take on some of that burden and do some comparably low-stakes monitoring themselves. That is considerate. I have never heard any feminist or non feminist bemoan a lack of men “approaching.” Where are u finding these women who have a problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:58 PM
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Counterpoint: many of the kids I know who weren’t enrolled in sports weren’t GOOD at sports. They wouldn’t be good at sports even if they stayed enrolled, and so team sports would not have the benefit of introducing them to camaraderie and confidence and whatnot. My (female!) friend who was not very naturally coordinates’s parents made her do a team sports k-12, and it made her shyer and more neurotic. Public k-12 education is basically engeneered to make most kids socially competent and able to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:42 PM
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Because it’s sexist and false. Women are no more “naturally hypergamous” than men are; dating apps have created a situation where women have to judge guys based on looks, because they can’t talk to them, and most men have to be damn good looking for women to be attracted to a still picture of him and be willing to meet a stranger from the internet about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:23 PM
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yeah, if you have expanded the definition of cheating to mean....basically anything. If "micro cheating" is something the majority of women do, your definition of cheating is too broad. If you define cheating as, you know, sleeping with someone outside of the relationship, most women are not doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:41 PM
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Funny how the women who prefer those “dark triad” traits always seem to have those traits themselves. “Oh no my arrogant cheating girlfriend is into an arrogant antisocial guy!”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:35 PM
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Porn
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:27 PM
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“Bad girls” prefer “bad boys.” In fact, most people prefer a partner with whom they have a lot in common. She said she didn’t feel connected to your friend—maybe that’s why. Kind and earnest women prefer kind and earnest men. This is true in romance fiction too—Google “Samwise Gamgee fanfiction” when you get a minute
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:12 PM
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No, it means that the rapist you, specifically, were in contact with was attracted to and wanted to rape girls. If you were born a different sex, that doesn’t mean that you would encounter an entirely different rapist; in fact, the likelihood that you would ALSO encounter one who wanted to molest boys, and was in a position to hurt you that way, is pretty slim. This was extremely clear from the original comment, and the original commenter also clarified it further, and now I’m doing the same thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:13 PM
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I actually do think it is better to believe only things you know are true. I don’t think that’s at all an untenable situation or even all that hard, and it’s much better than just believing things randomly with no proof. Personally. “I don’t know anything until it’s proven” is, in fact, the way many people—scientists, journalists, edgy Reddit atheists—live their lives, to no great detriment to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:33 PM
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Don’t got one
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:25 PM
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Lmao short. 5’2. So I’d be about 5’7 as a guy, which would make me less attractive to most (straight) people than I am now, because stature, like facial hair and deep voice in men and large breasts and wide hips in women, is a sexually dimorphic secondary sex characteristic that develops after puberty and signifies sexual maturity. That means I would have it harder in the romance department, but the prompt was “would you be doing better than other men in areas you criticize men for?” And I don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:16 PM
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What an insensitive and illogical comment. I would not have been injured in a car accident if I had stayed home on May 28; are you going to tell me “You don’t think people get hit by cars on days other than May 28? The fact that you don’t seem to think it’s a possibility that people could get hit by cars on May 29 or January 1 or September 17 should by itself tell you how rarely car accidents are taken seriously.” Jesus Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:23 PM
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If I were turned into a man? Absolutely. If I were BORN male? Probably not. I’d certainly be better than most RPers, because I’m pretty good at assuming that other people are not completely alien to myself and are more or less like me, and I’ve had cause and opportunity in my current life to become bigoted towards whole groups of people and haven’t, and I’m generally pretty skeptical, so I probably wouldn’t be sold on like…female hypergamy or AFBB. I do, however, have a natural tendency toward b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:08 PM
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Portrait of a lady on fire is good for guys who have trouble conceptualizing women’s desire. Directed AND shot by women about how women have fire in the loins sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:09 AM
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This!! I’ve never heard someone say “I don’t want to give him the satisfaction” about someone they like. It’s usually about someone you’re mad at/feuding with. If someone has that attitude towards a person they like and want to date, run.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:56 PM
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🤢
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:26 PM
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The women who just want casual sex and the women complaining about men just wanting casual sex are not the same women. Why would they be?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:52 PM
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I’m not rationalizing anything; nothing needs to be rationalized or justified. Love is something that people feel; you can’t oppress someone into loving you. Men who are “radicalized,” who want to hurt women and immigrants and whoever else and take their rights, are simply wrong. They’re wrong from a moral standpoint—everyone should get equal rights—and they’re wrong from a logistical standpoint, though that’s less important. For people who believe that most people are decent and logical, the in…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:41 PM
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Bar. Club. Some parties. Singles events. Sex clubs. Most women don’t give out their numbers without having a pleasant chat about other topics to get to know the person first, but those pleasant chats don’t have to be all THAT long (20 minutes maybe) in bars/clubs/singles events. Dancing can be substituted for pleasant chat sometimes. Either way, those are places where it’s generally acceptable and acknowledged that people are going to be looking for romance. Also, if the woman you’re interested …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:44 PM
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Feminists aren’t usually the ones saying this. Just plain old women. And also plain old men! I’ve heard more from men about the pressures to be “strong and silent” than I have from women. That said, I don’t think “men have trouble expressing feelings” is all that true or even makes sense. Men have much less trouble expressing some feelings, like lust, desire, anger, and aggression than women, while women have more trouble with those ones. Coincidentally, the feelings that women struggle to expre…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:12 PM
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Source??? Where are you getting this information. Idk about other places but in Europe slavery was not acceptable and normal from a little after the fall of the Roman Empire until the Early Modern period.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:41 PM
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I mean, who is society? Certainly people in power treated men without wealth or power as disposable tools. They also treated women like disposable tools. Edit: and they still do!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:23 PM
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I’m not saying there weren’t rebellions. I’m saying that in most places, during most times, it is incorrect to say that “the vast majority [of men] were able to get married and have children”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:14 PM
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This is ahistorical. In most places, throughout most of human history, there were huge numbers of unmarried and childless men—even more than there are today. Most of east and Central Asia practiced polygamy, where wealthy/successful men had multiple wives and unsuccessful men had 0 wives. In medieval Europe, where polygamy was not practiced, huge numbers of men joined the clergy and were celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:58 AM
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I’m a non sexist slob! So it all works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:24 PM
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Holds men and women to different standards in any regard. This is usually pretty easy to sus out: if he says anything that indicates that when men have sex it’s a good thing but when women have sex it’s a bad thing, if he says something about how he or another man should be “protecting” or “providing,” if he uses manosphere vocabulary and talking points unironically, etc. I usually date people in my social circle, and I knew one guy was sexist after the first date when he said he wanted to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:40 PM
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Obviously not. But if he’s part of an extreme sexist niche internet subculture and believes in conspiracy theories, then probably personality is a factor. I don’t see anyone talking this way about their uncoupled relatives or friends or acquaintances or even enemies. Do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:34 PM
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I only date men who are not even remotely sexist. If he’s not sexist, he’s not going to assume housework is my job.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:20 PM
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This from a man who commented, four minutes later, “Humans are all emotional. Women lack that extra rational part that men have.” I am begging you to explain how you came to the rational conclusion that women were not historically oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:05 PM
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Both? I would like to know if this is bs or if it is not bs. Right now I think it is bs because I have never seen any evidence otherwise (i am also an atheist) but if I do see evidence then obviously I will not call bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:16 PM
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Source???
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:10 PM
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Okay. How come men control most of the world’s wealth and the world’s governments? How come women could not vote or own property? How was the “power” balanced?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:08 PM
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Man 1. Being oppressed doesn’t make a person, or a population, innocent or incapable of oppressing others. German Nazi women did not have the same legal rights as German Nazi men, but they both had more rights than German Jews. USAmerican women during slavery could not own most property—it passed directly from their fathers to their husbands—but they could “own” slaves, and they did. If your dad hits you, and then you kick your little brother, that doesn’t mean that you are not mistreated by you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:03 PM
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I agree completely. No one should be considered guilty by association or judged based on the actions of others. That said, it isn’t punishment or mistreatment to be personally wary of someone, as long as you do not actually hurt that person. Women being scared to walk to their cars at night, and you are also on the street, isn’t punishment or mistreatment. Hell, the stupid “man or bear” thing where women say they would rather find themselves alone in the woods with a bear than a strange man, bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:50 PM
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Man are you saying women weren’t historically oppressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:40 PM
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What are feminist (bullshit) historical narratives?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:38 PM
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Of course; men and women string people along in about equal measure, and it sucks. It’s deceptive and unkind.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:30 PM
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Some people are sexist. Most people are not part of the niche online subculture that is TRP. That means that there are a lot of sexist people who are not part of the niche online subculture that is TRP. I’m sorry you’ve run into those people, and im sorry that the laws of many countries are sexist. I’m a feminist, so I believe that men and women are similar in most respects and should be treated equally; this means that parents should be considered, socially and legally, based on their parenting…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:21 PM
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People on this sub tend to confuse things that are just unattractive with things that are automatic dealbreakers. Yes, a guy being very inexperienced or having never been in a relationship is unappealing to most women; so is being pale-skinned or under 5’10 or having crooked teeth, and yet the majority of men who are pale-skinned and crooked-toothed and under 5’10 find love with and get married to women who are also not perfect 10/10s. It’s fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:09 PM
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Same as with men. Are they obsessive, jealous, and prone to fits of rage? Do they think you are inferior or should “know your place?” Do they try to isolate you from friends and family? My grandmother always told me “no man is better than a bad man”; the exact same is true of women. Not having a woman in your life sucks, but not as much as having a woman who is going to hurt you and make you miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:08 AM
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I guess I don’t know. Don’t they say, like, I’m keeping it casual right now? I’ve had dudes say that to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:03 PM
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I think most women, if told that a specific man had deceived a woman into sleeping with him, would have at least as strong a reaction. It’s just that, well, you don’t usually know who’s done that, because it’s often a deception that has some measure of plausible deniability, and also because people who have committed to lying generally don’t have much of a problem with lying about lying. So how would you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:00 PM
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None. Just like I don’t think there is a unique value women bring that can’t be provided by men. Men and women have different sex organs, and many people are attracted to those specific sex organs; both are required for reproduction; besides that, men can do everything women can do and women can do everything men can do, because we are really very similar. Men are generally a little bigger, so heavy-lifting tasks might require two women, or a little bit of technology; women can make milk, so men…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:27 PM
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Whoever makes more money pays for more dates. There, I fixed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:47 PM
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There are multiple reasons why someone would reject another person romantically. One of those reasons is that they seem defective/incompetent. One of those reasons is because of lack of moral character. One of those reasons is because of lack of conventional hotness. One of those reasons is that they are the wrong age. One of those reasons is that they live too far away. Just because some people really are rejected because they are perceived as incompetent doesn’t mean that other people aren’t r…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:46 PM
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Do most men lie to get laid? Certainly some men do, but I think that number is pretty small—maybe bigger than those who see escorts, but still. I mean, are you talking about like a 5’10 guy saying “I’m 6 feet tall” or are you talking about like… “I know you said no sex before marriage but I promise I will marry you if you have sex with me”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:04 AM
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There’s no real hard evidence either way. Some animals have more aggressive males than females, some animals have more aggressive females than males, and some animals have no real sex differences in aggression; none of those facts are anything resembling proof. We have examples that men raised in less violent cultures, like traditional Inuit culture, do less violence. We have examples that female political leaders, overall, commit no more and no less violence than male political leaders. We have…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:35 PM
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Women don’t work fewer hours. Many, many different studies have been done about this, and they all show that women have less free time than men. Women get paid for fewer hours, because they are also expected to do more work around the house than men. This is cultural, yes, but that doesn’t make it less powerful, and lots of explicit policies reinforce it: many companies offer maternity leave, but not paternity leave, so women who want to have children have to be the ones to work for free while t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:23 PM
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I’ve never heard it as “any amount of alcohol.” That would be absurd—people can’t fuck after a glass of wine with dinner? No one is saying that. A person—male or female—can become so drunk that they don’t know what’s going on (so they can’t consent to it) or are unconscious. Then you cannot fuck that person. A person who, due to some other reason (concussion, severe hallucinations, being asleep) does not know what’s happening or is unconscious can’t consent either. Depression is fine. Glass of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:24 PM
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I feel like most men and most women are mostly decent people. Having their shit together is a different story: I’d consider some who supports themselves, lives independently, and has their mental health in check to have their shit together, and that’s about 70% of the women I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:15 PM
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Right!! There’s a whole generation of young people who just never went to high school—no dances, no proms, no group dates, no “my friend Becky likes your friend Jim but don’t tell Jim! Just find out if he likes Becky.” A lot of girls of that generation are stunted too. We really just released a bunch of people who are socially 14 years old into the workforce and college.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:56 PM
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I don’t despise young men. I hang around with a lot of young men who I think are wonderful. But, especially since Covid, a sizable minority of young men are socially stunted. They have no friends, they don’t talk to women their age, and, yes, many young women don’t want to date them. And of course it is also harder for the less physically attractive, but that’s always been true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:44 PM
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I am attractive and with integrity 👍 so this isn’t a problem for me. Some people with integrity are superhot, and I don’t try to date them—they can date each other. Some people with integrity are less conventionally attractive, and they generally end up with less attractive partners. Simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:07 PM
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Yeah, sure. I think if a family/group/faith is going to celebrate a right of passage for girls, they should do the same for boys. This is true in Judaism, where boys have a bar mitzvah and girls have a bat mitzvah and both get a party and lots of affection. I'm not sure it needs to be tied to a specific biological process like menstruation, because there is no exact equivalent for boys, but also because growing up isn't just about being able to get pregnant or impregnate someone else. *That said…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:52 PM
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Yes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:08 PM
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No. I’m into alien! I’m not into Star Wars, tech, or computers, but the fact that those are “nerdy” interests means nothing to me. I care if we have interests in common; if we don’t, I won’t date him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:28 PM
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People owe each other all sorts of things. Lots of women care deeply about the “bad outcomes” men face: draft, war, homelessness, mass incarceration, gang violence, drug overdose, father’s rights violations, etc. This is because we, as a species, tend to care when bad things happen to fellow humans. That doesn’t involve an obligation to pretend to like or love someone and have sex with them and get married to them or whatever. And who would even want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:56 PM
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My man. I appreciate that you are being polite and courteous here but I don't how how else to tell you this: we feel it just like how you feel it. We feel the same things you feel. Relationship nostalgia and missing someone feels to us the same exact way it feels to you. When I hear a song that makes me think of my ex, i feel very sad. My sister keeps driving to New York to see an ex that she misses. Most of my friends have not had serious relationships that then led to breakups, but my friend w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:43 AM
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Of course we do. Women aren’t a different species—they have the same exact feelings and wants and intelligence as men, just with different sex organs and sex hormones. I felt (and still sometimes feel) incredible relationship nostalgia in my 5-year relationship and in my 3-year relationship. “Nobody knows me more than this person” is exactly how I felt when my boyfriend who I’d been dating since I was 16 broke up with me when I was 21. I was devastated. To be frank, I think it’s nuts that you wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:10 PM
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No. To be completely honest here: I do like it when a man is funny, like actually witty, and if I perceive the jokes he’s making at his friends expense as just playful ribbing, then, yeah, if the jokes are funny that’s attractive to me. I think maybe it’s because I was raised in a family where people joke around and tease each other a lot, I tend to see it as no big deal IF it’s clear that the point of the joke is not to be cruel but to be funny. If I feel like the point of the joke is to “domin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:03 PM
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Here goes mine, and it’s kind of a hot one: Nobody enjoys shaving and waxing and plucking and scraping and painting their whole bodies. Women fulfill those kind of tedious and unpleasant gender roles because they are attracted to men, they like to kiss and date and fuck men, and it’s worth it to them to cede a little ground to make men like them. It’s kind of embarrassing to admit to doing things to make other people like and want to have sex with you, and nobody likes to feel like, as you guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:13 PM
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Good sex requires unselfconsciousness, perceptiveness, adaptability, levity, a willingness to express what works and what doesn’t, and familiarity with the plumbing. Of the sex I’ve had, the best had been with people with lots of experience and the worst has been with people with very little experience, and I have never personally encountered an exception to this rule. Not saying that there aren’t prodigies who are good at it very quickly, or that there aren’t people with cold hands or bad sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:46 PM
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I mean…you’ve seen ugly girls cheat on you. You haven’t seen WHY they cheat on you, because you can’t read minds. I can tell you—or, if you already know, someone else reading this—that women’s clitorises are basically just little penises that feel the same amount of good when somebody touches them, and women like that just as much as men do, and the reason most women have sex is as uncomplicated as the reason most men have sex. It is very rarely because of some complex masochistic low-self-estee…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:49 PM
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“she wanted to be useful to more men sexually for the validation” genuine question why do you think women like sex
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:13 PM
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Women as a whole are never going to have a united political…anything, because women are 50% of the population. I think it’s also worth noting that women have significantly less access to money, weapons, etc than men, and it is extremely rare for a population that has NEITHER numbers NOR weapons NOR resources on their side to attempt a full-on uprising. Plus regime changes etc don’t usually keep everything the same EXCEPT gender relations. But lots of women throughout history have been key actors…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:09 PM
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I don’t. I’m bi, and I have the same standards for men and women. It’s just that more women tend to meet those standards. Men and women are socialized differently, and little girls are often held to higher standards of conscientiousness, sociability, stylishness, hygiene, and friendliness, so they develop those social skills better. It’s rare to go to a dinner party or social event, for example, and find a woman who does not talk or smile at all, but most of the parties I go to have at least one…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:42 PM
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Yeah. I would be way more sexually active if it weren't frowned upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:00 PM
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Holy shit. Margaery Tyrell does not exist. I love GoT, and I love Margaery! But I would leave this date, on account of Margaery Tyrell is not real, and is not only not real but a figment of one man's imagination brought to screen by another two men for a spicy HBO titties fantasy show. And I love that fantasy show! But holy shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:59 PM
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Honestly, I would prioritize having real, close friendships with women. Of my seven adult male cousins, only two have girlfriends. One is just extremely conventionally handsome and has a gf, the other six are decent-looking but tall, and one of them is decent-looking but short. And guess who has the second girlfriend? The short guy! He's also the only who's best friend is ALSO a girl. In fact, 100% of the guys I know who regularly hang out with women one-on-one also have girlfriends! Being in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:44 PM
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Specific "rules" and "hacks" sell really well, which is why you have so many podcasters and tiktok psychopaths and even a few published authors talking about "rules" and "tests" and "systems" for dating. These rules and systems work for people who are really bad at socializing naturally (and no shade on them! not everyone has to be good at everything!), but for most people, they're not very useful, and most people don't use them. The vast majority of women are not following specific rules and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:40 PM
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Huh yeah i looked it up and you’re right. I can see how that would be alienating. Thanks for the example I appreciate it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:18 AM
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And there hasn’t been a push to get men into the “worse” female jobs either! I don’t see anyone trying to get men into the fields of home health aides, sex workers, textile factory workers (edit: and pedicurists). Most jobs that involve cleaning human excrement are done by women. Most elder care is done by women. Hell, you don’t see a big push to get men into nursing, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:34 AM
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Sex is taboo. You don't just bring it up to strangers, just like you don't say "hey, are constipated?" or "my dad just died. Is yours alive?" because it is a subject to which many people have very emotional and visceral responses to. What's wrong with bringing up "is your dad alive or dead?" is that most of the time, most people don't want to talk about if their dads are dead, nor do they want to talk about their bowel movements, nor do they want to talk about how they don't want to have sex wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:00 PM
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Yeah you're right. Well, I'd argue that Joe Biden is a different story since he did a lot of anti-mass incarceration stuff. But yes that makes a lot of sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:53 PM
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That's a great concrete example, damn. I always thought "bernie bro" was a positive thing, but thats because *I* was (and am) into bernie, but "Tech bro" and "podcast bro" certainly aren't very positive. Gonna stop saying stuff like that from now on!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:43 PM
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No, but I would be sleeping with way more dudes if way more dudes did NOT think like that. And it's kind of a pain in the ass and takes a long time to figure out if they do or don't, and sometimes they do, and then I don't sleep with them. If every man thought like that I wouldn't sleep with any men at all. I love sex, but I hate losing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:14 PM
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Sure. I mean, what's changed? I don't find gynecomastia particularly attractive, but if it's slight it's not a dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:11 PM
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So I hear this a lot, but I don't understand what, exactly, the left needs to be doing? I mean, definitely more explicit teacher training for elementary school teachers on how not to be biased, even subconsciously, in their perception of naughty behavior. But besides that? A lot of the American left, at least, is very focused on issues that primarily affect young men: abusive and dangerous labor conditions, union-busting, mass incarceration, police violence, homelessness. I believe you, and the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:01 PM
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No. I like sex. I would be having way more sex with way more men than I am now, if those very men did not think that having sex made me lesser. If men stopped caring about "body count" and feeling like every time i choose to have sex i am losing and he is winning, I'd be out there sucking dick like nobody's business. If I didn't have to be afraid of violence, I would be sucking dick even MORE. Also, like, white people in the US have significantly higher suicide rates than black or hispanic peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:53 PM
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I’ll bite: men stop killing women, women stop killing men 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:03 PM
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Men have more testosterone. That makes their lust more immediate and visual. I don’t think it’s demisexuality, or whatever; it’s just being straight (or gay or bi) with less testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:42 PM
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Nope! And I am not! I don’t date guys who are unpleasant, self-centered, and transactional either. Women are, as a population, generally more friendly, agreeable, conscientious, and self-effacing; I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that we have an easier time finding people who like to hang out with us.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:36 AM
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Can you explain your reasoning? How do men not hold the power, when they are the ones in positions of power? How are women not excluded from power, when those positions are often chosen by the men already in power?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:31 AM
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How? The second and third ones are 100% applicable. Because of the stuff I just said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:07 AM
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I mean, the vast majority of people go to work and see people there. They also play sports, have hobbies etc. Like, I feel like most people are in a position to make and have friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:44 PM
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I live in the US. Most lawmakers and government officials are men. Most religious leaders are men. Most of the country’s wealth is controlled by men. That fits the definition perfectly. Where do you live where that isn’t the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:34 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:31 PM
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I mean, technically, we do. Because of the thing I just said. Democracy and liberalism are great, but it’s not a matriarchy unless women occupy most positions of authority. Because men occupy most positions of authority, it’s a patriarchy. That’s what patriarchy means.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 10:42 PM
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Yeah, just like how ugly is used as an insult. Insults aren't always about the morality of a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:46 PM
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The word patriarchy describes a social system in which positions of authority are primarily held by men. In the US, for instance, men make up the majority of leaders and lawmakers, and those leaders and lawmakers have chosen to make child marriage legal and abortion illegal. This means that a woman or girl who has been raped will be arrested (also by men) if she tries to get an abortion, and when she is imprisoned, her prison guards will also be predominantly male. It means that the majority of …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:44 PM
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Yes lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:10 PM
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Dude not even men meet the standards you are setting here. The vast, vast majority men are less attracted to a woman if she opens her mouth and has a weird, unpleasant voice, and more attracted if she has a sexy voice; they are less attracted to a woman with a weird, unpleasant smell, and more attracted to a woman with a nice smell. Those aren't physical traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:46 AM
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physical pussy physically wet 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:32 AM
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Yeah man, because being a friendless dork is a turn-off.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:14 AM
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You think people don’t physically desire someone they meet through friends? I would physically desire someone I met through friends more, if anything, because it means that person has friends. Edit: I said I found it counterintuitive because to me someone who asks strangers on the street for pussy would register as way more of a loser. Like, man, that guy really doesn’t have a social network at all. I feel the same way about OLD
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:42 PM
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Why does it make someone a loser to meet women through friends? That feels very unintuitive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:00 PM
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I'm (genuinely, respectfully) confused by what you mean. Do you mean that women oppress men by perpetuating male dominance in law, government, business, policing, etc, and the fact that men are disproportionately in power leads to those men in power oppressing other men? How do they do that? By voting for male chauvinist candidates, I guess, but that's something men do even more; by calling each other sluts and bitches and insulting men by saying or implying they are "like women" I guess, but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:57 PM
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Okay well I do not want to dress “modestly.” Because it is physically uncomfortable. When it’s hot outside, less clothes are more comfortable; when it’s cold outside, most women are, in fact, already covered. I also don’t care at all about sexy women in media; what I don’t like is the fact that the number of female directors and show-runners is so minuscule that the vast majority of movies and TV shows are from a male perspective, which makes movies less fun and relatable and sexy to ME, persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:44 PM
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Well I know two women who were so violently beaten and raped by their partners that they have lasting physical harm. Plus of course men and women cheat on their partners at about the same rate, so "cheating-level" emotional harm is similar for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:35 PM
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Victimhood "tactics"? victimhood "mentality"? Some people literally are oppressed by other people. Women and girls are oppressed by male-led governments and businesses all over the world; what they can do to improve their situation, aside from assassination attempts, is to say "stop oppressing me, it's wrong." That's not a tactic. Men are also oppressed all over the world, by male-led governments and businesses, and they should speak out about things like the draft, disproportionate sentencing, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:22 PM
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How are the things I listed men's fault? It's not an attack on men to say that some of them are unlucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:44 PM
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What? Everyone goes to the gym to look hotter. That's what the gym is for. I don't know a single person on earth who thinks that the primary motivation for working out ISN'T to look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:02 PM
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I'm not a man, but I generally help people who I see struggling to carry stuff on principle, whether or not I'm attracted to them. I think most men have the same sense of common decency. If it looked like you were carrying a lot of stuff, that's probably why. If you were carrying like a magazine and a banana, and he was about your age and about as good-looking as you, he might have trying to see if you were single and interested in him, but so what? I wouldn't call that bad intentions, or "just …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:45 PM
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Some men are physically unattractive. Some men don't have jobs or social lives where they encounter a lot of women. Some men have poor social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:28 PM
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Damn straight. I'm a feminist, and I actually think about things, so the first three examples bug the shit out of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:25 PM
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Sorry for assuming, i guess. Why DO you think women choose men who they know will beat the shit out of them? Since they can tell in advance who will abuse them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:18 AM
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Abusive men don't do better in dating than other men. It's just that 100% of abusive men have had girlfriends/wives, because otherwise they would not be beating them. This is obviously not a good faith post--you can't possibly believe that women enjoy being abused and choose men they know will beat the shit out of them on purpose, and you can't possibly believe that abusive men all have some other quality that unites them, like blue eyes or whatever. But I just thought i'd throw this out there, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:56 AM
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No you can't. But most women will not react negatively if you and your friends approach them in a bar with them and their friends, because being approached by a group of guys at a bar is normal, and they don't want to look weird in front of their friends. I mean, a woman from the apps is equally likely to say "EW! GET AWAY FROM ME!" so you might as well just go for it and play both fields, or whatever they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:04 AM
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yes *those* women are not going for the purpose of getting approached by men. But other women are. Women regularly say online that they hate mayo, but that doesn't mean all women hate mayo. Also, most groups of women at bars and clubs are happy to be approached by a group of guys, because that's normal and expected at bars and clubs, and even if their primary goal wasn't to find a guy, if they're single, finding a guy they like is a stroke of luck. You just have to be that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:44 PM
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Non-alcoholic drinks can also be spiked. Most dates involve imbibing beverages of some sort. And at bars, you can bring other people; on the apps, you have to meet a stranger from the internet all alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:33 PM
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Okay. Don't date women then. You want me to convince you to date women? For the good of womankind? It's not like we need to repopulate the earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:16 PM
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Are you going with a group of friends? Girls have to take their friends for safety, and it's rude and weird and against the whole point of the thing to ignore or leave your friends to talk to some guy, and if the whole group's talking to one guy, that's uncomfortable too. Also apps are NOT safer
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:12 PM
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Girls go to bars with friends TO meet guys. If you want to talk to those girls, you need to take YOUR friends, and then the two groups can talk. That's what a wingman is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:03 PM
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going "there"? as in, your own argument that your own self brought up in response to my comment? "Do feminists date significantly fewer sexist men than non-feminists?" isn't really an opinion question--there *is* an answer--but nobody's making you share your own personal estimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 10:59 PM
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Can you think of an example of an individual feminist who has done this? I’m sure it has happened before, in the infinite diversity of human behavior and horny stupidity, but I don’t think it’s that common. Usually feminists do not date sexist men; certainly they date fewer sexist men than non-feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 10:20 PM
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<image> What you describe isn’t feminists having cognitive dissonance—different schools of feminism have been saying their thing for a long time, and cognitive dissonance isn’t the same thing as society expecting contradictory things of men, because society is made up of everyone except you. And Feminists aren’t most of society! Why are you mad at the feminists?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:32 PM
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I like sex. When I’m not in a relationship, I still like to have sex, which is mutually pleasurable for me and my partners and is a fun social physically active activity. Because I am a woman, this is supposed to be a bad thing or somehow degrading to me. Similarly, a lot of men view sex, especially casual sex with a woman, as a sort of victory over her. He’s won something, and she’s lost something; he’s “gained value” and she’s “lost value.” This means a good number of men I would otherwise lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:53 PM
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What are you talking about? You wouldn’t like sexual intimacy if it didn’t feel good either.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:34 AM
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“so what is the specifically male component that produces desire?” Muscle. Hairy. Bigness. Dick &balls
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:14 PM
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I agree with everything in your post except for this: Take for instance this one point that a lot of modern women, especially on Reddit like to push. The idea that Grandma or great grandma didn't really love their husbands, they were just with them for survival. They didn't have a choice. Well what do you think this teaches men that believe that message? You're essentially telling them that women are capable of feigning love for an entire marriage and having a whole ass family with a dude they d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:39 AM
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What are you basing this on? I used to have bad acne and was 20 pounds heavier than I am now; I've seen both sides. It's very difficult to get a date with a guy "on your level" as like a 5; hell, it's difficult to get sex with a guy who's interested in getting you off. (you can get sex where the guy only cares about his pleasure, but that's not, well, pleasurable. Would you like it if a girl just asked you to finger her and then left?)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:25 AM
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Well, but im not describing it as hot-cold/push-pull. I’m describing it as, basically, “playing hard to get” by signaling that you have other options and that your gf/bf/target had better start working to “earn” you. Female PUAs, or whatever they call themselves, don’t use the same terms for it, but they advise the same thing: no push, just pull; no hot, just cold. I think it’s bad advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:48 PM
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I am a feminist, so I think both male and female “pick up artistry” is kind of stupid. I think The Rules is sexist as hell, even more than The Game. My little nitpick is that I’d say you’re drawing unnecessary false equivalences: men and women both have sex and like sex, and they both also like attention and affection. The Rules, which is written by women for women, mostly advises women to withhold attention and commitment and not seem too into the guy they’re into. That’s the strategy. It’s the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:45 PM
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Hell, I know a guy who’s in a 24/7 BDSM relationship with a gay couple. Different strokes. However, I would say that it’s important to make the distinction between your situation, where you do have money and could support yourself if the relationship falls apart, and a situation where someone’s boyfriend is ALSO basically their boss—because, like, can you be truly honest with your boss? I know my boss thinks I like him and find him hilarious, but I do NOT. A SAHP married parent situation is a li…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:55 PM
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Well, then, I'm doing my part for men! I don't use them. Lots of women don't, actually, which is why there's a significant gender imbalance on most apps. Peace and love
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:14 AM
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This is wild. I feel very lucky that I live in a place where women can deliver mail and sell appliances and chase criminals and make excel spreadsheets for buxx instead of whatever this is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:05 AM
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I’m bisexual, so I’ve done it. And I would be great at it. I’m already part of several niche nerdy hobby groups where the few men (many of them trans) get snapped right up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:54 PM
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I can’t speak to the male dating experience, but I can observe that the reason dating offline is so bad is because of the apps. The apps are exploiting everyone for money, but especially men, who get more horny for photographs anyway. Which, I mean, people have to do what they have to do; I occasionally buy [X] from [Y] that is actively putting my own industry out of business. It just sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:29 PM
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When people get married, they make a promise to each other not to leave in order to have more sex. If you think that’s a bum deal, don’t get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:12 PM
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I agree that lots of progressives are homophobic as hell, and that’s fucked up. They don’t think about what equality really means, or they only want it for them and nobody else. That said, if you want my queer woman perspective, the “tomboys” men say they have no problem dating aren’t really masc at all—they have long/feminine hair, high voices, feminine mannerisms, shave in all the “woman” places, and wear exclusively women’s clothes. Theyre just regular feminine women with “boy” interests, jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:59 PM
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Because women like to be seen as sexy and do not like to be treated rudely. This is also true of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:53 AM
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So I get where you’re coming from completely, but there are definitely ways people suffer systemically from being white or straight. For example, straight people are way more likely to be murdered by a partner; trafficked by a partner; be forced into parenthood without their consent; and to have unsatisfying sex lives: straight women have way fewer orgasms than gay women, and straight men have a lot less sex than gay men. These are huge disadvantages. Why aren’t they considered systemic heteroph…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:00 AM
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Where are you talking about? In the US there are 1-2% more women REGISTERED to vote. Is that what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:41 PM
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The terms “misandry,”“reverse racism” and “heterophobia” are all real terms that people really use to describe real phenomena: some people actually are biased against white people or straight people etc. But it’s a little weird that those terms are structured to mimic the terms that black people/gay people/women came up with to describe their own oppression. Gay people aren’t oppressing straight people, black people aren’t oppressing white people, and women aren’t oppressing men. The draft, uneq…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:08 AM
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Well but factually the vast majority of OF subscribers are case 2. Because, you know, you kind of get what you pay for with porn—free porn can be kind of cheesy and limited, and sites like pornhub make all their money through advertising and data collection which makes for a really annoying user experience. Plus it’s more ethical to pay porn actors directly—OF models are less dependent on a kind of fucked up industry cause, you know, they’re getting paid for their work right away. So if a person…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:50 PM
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I mean, grocery store, no. But the bars (the RIGHT bars) are basically just like dating apps, where you size up strangers and see if they like you, except that there’s a more even number of men and women, which is an advantage for dudes, and it’s an opportunity to show off your charisma/humor/conversation for those whose numerical stats (height, weight, income) aren’t their strongest point. Like, of guys I know, they’ve had very little success on dating apps and a lot more success going to a bar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:06 AM
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Well OF model who is pretending to have romantic feelings for a client and want to date them etc is a different thing. I would classify that as a romance scammer who happens to be using OF. But that’s not most OF models. Most of the time nobody’s pretending anything, and they’re selling exactly what they say they’re selling (live footage of them doing sex stuff) without any deception at all. Like, it seems like maybe you think that couldn’t possibly be the case, because why would someone spend T…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:17 PM
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Well I don’t need to watch hundreds of hours of speculation about what women want and do and all their secrets. I am a woman. I know that I’m not a lesbian, or asexual, and that I actually am attracted to men for real, and that I enjoy dating and having sex with short, average-looking dudes and am not incapable of loving them, and it seems unlikely that I would be the only woman for whom this is true. Edit: in fact, this week I am going to drive 2.5 hours to hit on a short dude who is poor and l…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:59 PM
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My mom spends an ungodly amount of money on antique porcelain dolls from like the 1880s. They’re creepy, and it’s weird. But are the people selling antique dolls swindling my mother out of her hard-earned money? Should they be punished? I don’t think so. There’s no deception involved; even if most people don’t understand it, she’s making an informed choice about what’s worth money to HER. Likewise, if an onlyfans model offers to take her top off for $200, and somebody pays her $200, and she does…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:16 PM
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Yeah I think that’s stupid. Sometimes women give out fake /numbers/ to be safe, but ghosting isn’t safer than saying “hey sorry this isn’t working.” I don’t think ghosting is a gendered problem at all: men and women both do it about the same amount, at least to me (I’m bisexual). It’s just one of those shitty inconsiderate behaviors that are really easy to do, like not returning your grocery cart or throwing trash out the car window or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:44 AM
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Why do you think women want unattractive men to suffer and die for no reason other than simply existing (and not turning them on)? I feel like I’ve never seen evidence of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:06 PM
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Yeah I mean I consider myself a feminist. My mom and grandma and most of my friends consider themselves feminists. And none of us are talking about “male-coded” anything or think that cheating, yelling, isolating, silent treatment, gaslighting, breaking stuff etc are male things. We just want abortion to be legal and child marriage to be illegal. I think “femosphere” is actually a really good name for whatever like pink pilled TikTok podcasters there are, because it parallels the “manosphere,” w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:27 PM
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This doesn’t need to be a hypothetical. Women as a group already prefer fit muscular men, which leads lots of men to work out. Some men don’t work out even though they know that more women would like them if they did, because people have jobs and hobbies and kids and heath conditions and just don’t prioritize looking hot. I guess your hypothetical is that EVERY woman ONLY sleeps with guys who are fit and muscular, but….that could never happen. There are 4.1 billion women in the world. There’s go…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:15 PM
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I have never heard of the femosphere but that sounds bad. Goes to show there are also socially isolated women who don’t hang out with men and just get crazier and crazier watching TikToks. Gender equality indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:49 PM
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Nobody needs to know what kind of woman you DON’T want to fuck. I have preferences that I think reflect poorly on me: I don’t date single children or the sexually inexperienced or anyone who’s never smoked a cigarette, because those qualities represent a certain flinching nerdiness to me. And you know what? Until right now, no one on earth knew that about me, because I kept it to my damn self. Some thoughts are inside thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:52 PM
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I think it’s true on both ends. The average American woman is 5’4 and 170 lbs. the average American man is 5’9 and 200lbs. Lots of guys who bemoan their lack of dating success aren’t willing to date women who are average-looking, even if they themselves are. And there are also lots of women who are very average but want a man taller/fitter than average. C’est la vie
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:25 PM
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No it isn’t. I am also using my male partner’s body for pleasure during sex. Hello?? Obviously if you think having a vagina and using it is inherently submissive, all straight kink is about women doing things that “prove her submission and enthusiasm to please the man.” But actually, in fact, the majority of women have sex because they find it pleasurable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:34 PM
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My type used to be tall and skinny and then I had the best goddamn sex of my life with a short chubby dude and that literally rewired me. Like I came to associate his physical traits with sexy sex and now I am INTO short chubby dudes. Idk if u can replicate this on purpose tho lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:28 PM
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Man I think you just did not read the post correctly. Since everyone else including op is telling you you misunderstood the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 05:45 PM
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Right but the question is why do you WANT your girlfriend to have sex she doesn’t like with you. That’s what’s alien to so many women. I can’t imagine enjoying sex that I know the other person isn’t enjoying—that’s, like, the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 05:42 PM
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I agree, but I think the average man and the average woman are unhappy because of their divergent psychological patterns. Like, yes, men have more testosterone which is a horny chemical, but thinking of sex not only as a fun pleasurable activity to do with GF but also as an affirmation of their goodness and worth is going to make them want it way more. And thinking of sex as the price you have to pay for BF to clean the house is going to make women want it way less. I think that changing one’s p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:37 PM
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This is stupid, in the way things that are sexist are usually stupid. I like sex, he likes sex, so we have sex; I like a clean house, he likes a clean house, so we clean the house. What you’re proposing is that I use his desire to have sex to get him to clean the house, and his desire for validation to get him to have sex with me…why? We both want a clean house and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:54 PM
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Orgasm gap is caused by physical differences in genital structure 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:48 PM
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🤷‍♀️pussies are different. Some people have shorter or narrower vaginas than others, so“pounding” hurts some people and doesn’t hurt others. People’s clitorises and g-spots are in slightly different places, which makes some sex acts more painful or more pleasurable to some people. I don’t think your gf is some kind of crazy outlier, but I would guess she is in a still very populous minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:48 AM
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Well at least you’re consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:31 AM
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This logic could apply to anything. People getting murdered is a skill issue, because they should know in advance who will murder them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:26 AM
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Okay. Sex is very important to a lot of people👍 How would you propose that we women “address the problem of male sexlessness,” as a societal problem, that does not involve women fucking guys who they do not want to fuck? Since otherwise we can’t expect men to…count our votes in elections? not…rape us? Like—and I mean this genuinely—what could we possibly do to help men whose main problem is that they aren’t having sex WITHOUT having sex with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:41 AM
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Personally I wouldn’t care about that at all. Like, I don’t think it expires. That hypothetical guy hasn’t been revirginated, or whatever, in my book.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:24 PM
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Mystery, independence, and “self-orientation” cannot survive a long term relationship by definition. Nobody’s mysterious or unpredictable to someone they’ve lived with for 30 years. People’s “missions” change when they have children—they have to. And eventually everyone gets old and ugly and loses their independence. A relationship based on mystery is doomed to fail—-if a woman likes you because of what she DOESNT know about you, she probably doesn’t like you that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:24 AM
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It’s not framed as “just a preference” in this thread, and I don’t believe it is “just a preference”. Feeling disgust at the idea of a man having sex with men is homophobic. Feeling disgust at the idea of a woman having sex with men is sexist. I had no idea this was about straight men’s sexual double standards for straight women—I was mostly talking about how straight people of both genders feel about queer people of both genders—but there you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:01 PM
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I agree. But it’s incorrect to frame it as a problem of women’s “gaslighting” and hypocrisy when the exact same thing is true of men. Lots of straight men support LGBT rights AND say they like masculine women and gay women are cool and hot and whatever, but they’re just as disinclined to actually DATE a woman with short hair/deep voice/body hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 11:11 PM
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Right!! I am also a sexually dominant fairly masculine bisexual woman who dates femme and bisexual guys. Nobody’s saying that the majority of people are gender-nonconforming—that would be an oxymoron. But to say that because bi/masc/dominant women are a minority, bi/fem/submissive men have little chance of finding love is like saying that because most women in the world do not speak polish, polish-speaking men have little chance at love. It ignores the fact that there are roughly similar numbers…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:42 PM
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Yes 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:19 AM
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No it’s not
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:14 AM
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Right. We shouldn’t moralize any of it 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:24 AM
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Yes!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:30 PM
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Men don’t usually tell women when they’re unattractive either. It’s hard to hurt someone’s feelings to their face, even if it’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:28 PM
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Women aren’t being “real” either. The women you see being polite and appropriate and deferential and professional are censoring themselves in the same way you are. And when they get home they stop smiling and let out all their fats and put on true crime podcasts and pick their noses and think about smacking their bosses and which of their friends have annoying voices.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:44 PM
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Wild. Anyway, 1) sexual intercourse SOMETIMES hurts women’s vaginas, but that doesn’t mean ALWAYS does. Some women experience pain during intercourse. Most experience pleasure. 2) this doesn’t mean that the vagina permanently changes size after a dick’s been in there. This isn’t a philosophical issue. There’s only one right answer. Look it up. 3) you can find out what sex acts your partner enjoys by asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:46 AM
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Meg is a beautiful famous millionaire. She will find another hot famous millionaire. What are you talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:12 AM
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No. Literally not at all. My objection to TRP is that it blames the current desolate dating landscape on women’s essential nature (hypergamy, women are only attracted to the top 20% of men) rather than dating apps, which seems illogical to me given that in general 90s and 2000s women’s rights were more or less where they are now, but the coupling crisis only started when apps came onto the scene. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with getting fit and socially cool and joining activities and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:34 PM
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Reducing women’s participation in government and the workplace so they are forced to marry (and have sex) for a living
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:38 AM
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Yeah of course. Homelessness, overincarceration, social isolation, police violence, addiction, etc disproportionately affect men, and from an outside perspective they seem like the most urgent issues affecting men. Also, father’s rights. I think men deserve a lot more grace than they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:11 PM
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No? I think more people don’t do it because their families, friends, and jobs are in their home country, they may not speak the language, and because location is only one factor in marital longevity. Changing other factors, like income, education, religion, heath etc require fewer sacrifices for many people, and they may have a bigger impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:47 PM
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This is 100% dependent on what mood I’m already in. If I’m feeling horny, sure, I’ll have a horny thought about a guy I meet. If I’m not, I won’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 05:39 PM
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Actionable tips: don’t shut down the conversation by only saying things that your partner can’t make meaningful additions to. Substitute facts for opinions. If you propose a topic or make a contribution that’s a “dead end,” just make another one! Don’t sit in silence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 04:44 PM
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Having nothing to say! Like, not being an equal participant in conversation, bringing up new and interesting topics, sharing opinions, etc. A lot of struggling single guys have trouble keeping a conversation alive, because their contributions don’t include anything that the other person can build on. Some examples: A: have you seen weapons? (Trying to find common ground) B: yeah A: Oh, did you like it? B: yeah I thought it was alright. I wasn’t really paying attention this contribution ends the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 04:25 PM
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Yeah those guys are fine 👍but if their clothing/presentation is too meek and cautious it’s impossible to tell that they are worldly and liberal
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:42 PM
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Actually, there is a way to express one’s personality within a few moments of meeting someone: with visual cultural signifiers known as “style.” I usually don’t go forward with strangers hitting on me, just because the chances of any random person having enough in common with me to date are very slim, but if a guy is dressed, haircutted, pierced, and cologned in a way that says: “I am politically liberal, worldly, interested in arts and culture, maybe bisexual, and listen to folk music,” I will …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 08:32 PM
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Human beings—men and women—are horny and stupid and shallow and deceitful and inconsiderate a lot of the time 👍 the apps make this worse and bad behavior easier Regarding poor choices: I think most people think that if someone does something bad in a relationship, the fault lies with the person who did the bad thing. Like, if your gf cheats on you, I think most people would say that she is to blame for cheating, not that you are to blame for choosing a partner who would go on to cheat on you. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:37 PM
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I think it’s mostly right, for these reasons specifically: Dating apps. The male loneliness epidemic seems to have started right about when dating apps became one of the primary modes of dating. Because, you know, dating apps are used by a larger number of men than women, have features that allow people to sort by specific attributes (height etc) before even meeting the person, and therefore get a lot of money from men trying and failing to be seen by the minority of women using them. Corporate …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 05:30 PM
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Yes and yes 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:15 PM
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Yes? “Women are nice” is not a feminist talking point that I’m aware of. “Men and women are more similar than people think” is a feminist talking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:00 PM
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I don’t care how many sexual partners a man’s had—could be 0, could be literally 100–but I would hesitate to date someone who has never been in a relationship before, because being in a relationship is something a person gets good at by practicing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 10:52 PM
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What? If it were true that dating apps make dating hard for men, no men would ever successfully date? What?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 10:26 PM
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I consider myself a feminist, and I agree with your diagnosis. I think the vast majority of men’s dating issues aren’t due to individual failings at all, and are instead due to online dating (which is totally enshittified and even predatory) and a culture of disconnection and isolation where men and women don’t have good, socially acceptable ways to meet and interact. I call myself “blue pill” here because I disagree with TRP’s diagnosis that the problem is with the naturally and eternally shitt…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:01 PM
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Yes. The offer is very genuine if he makes the same amount of money than me or less. If he makes significantly more, I think he should pay, and it affects my attraction if he doesn’t. Edit: I have also been the one to pay for a date with a man. He had less money than me, so I didn’t mind at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:41 AM
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I just don’t think a fetus is a person, for the same reason I don’t think teratomas or collections of HeLa cells are people. I don’t think that aborting a fetus is murdering a human being. I am indeed very disturbed by the “you should have thought about that before you have sex” rhetoric. Parenthood isn’t a punishment for sex. Nonetheless, I think it’s necessary to have laws in place that say that if you are a parent to a real human child, you must support that child, because children don’t cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:38 AM
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Munchausens by proxy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:10 AM
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Oh. Same thing that makes men have higher social status among other men—charisma, prestige, existing social connections, looks etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:43 AM
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I mean….yeah? Like, there is an acknowledgment that some women are more sexy than others. But I certainly don’t think of there being different “types” of women, just, you know, some are hotter than others. And some make more money than others, and some are cooler and more socially adept than others. I’ve never met a woman who didn’t understand what it meant for someone to be “out of a woman’s league,” and I have also never met a woman who thought there were only 2 leagues.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 02:02 AM
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A huge percentage? What? Most women won’t date violent offenders out of principle or use men for their money. The percentage of women who are sexually attracted to a person will differ based on how conventionally sexy that person is, per logic, but those 4 things are like…very normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 08:38 PM
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Guy whose gf has feelings for him: A woman has a hypergamous fixation on me. She doesn’t have these “emotions” for other men. It’s really up to her to stop it and break the “addiction.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 08:22 PM
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Counterpoint: men and women are equally intelligent and equally loving. They are both equally capable of being employed outside the home and caring for children, and they are also equally capable of doing laundry, dishes, and mopping. So is it not unfair that women are the ones expected to do the work that is lonely, gross, boring, and doesn’t actually pay money, just because they are women? Shouldn’t men and women share those burdens equally, or according to their own preferences and choices? T…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 06:00 PM
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This is wildly out of touch with how women are treated and raised, at least where I live. Here, women are expected to make more sacrifices than men are in relationships—hence why women who work full time also take on the majority of childcare and housework. Women get way more flak for picking a partner based on looks etc than men do. OP, I think this perspective may be the result of gleaning information only from “slay queen” posts online—which, not coincidentally, are usually made by and aimed …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:21 PM
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It depends on the social groups and the man. There are lots of social groups with many more than 3-5 “dateable” women. There are lots of men who are awkward and shy with people they have only just met but are very fun to talk to once they get a little bit more comfortable. There are lots of men who find rejection especially demoralizing and benefit from dating in an environment where it’s easier to tell if someone likes you without asking and getting rejected. There are lots of men whose most se…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:13 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 05:18 PM
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Why is “shy rather than bold” an indicator of goodness? Shyness doesn’t have anything to do with being a good person—it does make it harder to date, logistically, because it reduces the number of people you come in contact with. But twin 1 could just as well be a shy POS and twin 2 a bold good guy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 05:11 PM
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Shakespeare and Chaucer etc called people with female sex characteristics women. Simple as. There’s no reason to believe that they would not consider a person who once had a penis and now has breasts and a vagina a person who had been transformed from a man to a woman. Men being transformed into women, and vice versa, had been in the anglophone cultural consciousness since the Roman conquest, and probably before.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 11:04 PM
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Okay. I have a friend who used her personal freedom to do what she wants with her body to take estrogen and have surgeries. She has no more testosterone than you, no more of a penis than you, and is paid less than her male colleagues. Shakespeare would call her a woman because Shakespeare didn’t know about chromosomes. Chaucer would call her a woman, because Chaucer didn’t know about chromosomes. What risks does she face that cis women do not face? What danger does she pose to cis women that oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:26 PM
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I work in academia. Yes. Remember all those studies that showed that OxyContin wasn’t addictive? People churn out faulty studies all the time. Studies with sampling errors, like only testing a drug on men (because they don’t want to risk giving it to a pregnant woman) and then declaring it safe for everyone, happen all the time. Also, in every field, there are sound, replicable studies which are then used by redditors to make claims that those studies absolutely do not support. I see that a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 10:40 PM
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True if you don’t care about being exclusive 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 06:47 PM
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Well this guy did not have any interests in common with me. We didn’t like to do any of the same things and we ran out of things to talk about very quickly. I liked having sex with him, but I wouldn’t have liked dating him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:26 PM
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What’s illogical about women having casual sex? I decided to have casual sex because it seemed very logical to me: I meet a guy who I am physically attracted to but did not want to date, he is physically attracted to me, we have a physical relationship that does not involve dating. 👍 I feel fine about it too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 12:31 AM
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Yes. I definitely care a guy is stylishly and appropriately dressed and well-groomed, not because I think they owe it to me because of what I do, but because those things are attractive to me. I have a hard time feeling attraction to someone who has a schlubby or dweeby outfit/haircut and who doesn’t smell nice. I also don’t care that much whether he pays for my food, as long as he doesn’t ask me out somewhere where the food is more than $20. But, you know, women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 09:14 PM
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Everyone wants to be seen as an attractive potential sex partner SO THAT the people they want to have sex with will have sex with them. That doesn’t mean that they want everyone to have sex with them. Men do this too. Men who looksmax and work out and wear tight shirts and tan and wear cologne are trying to be sexually attractive so that the people who they want to have sex with will have sex with them. Is this “sexualizing themselves?” I guess. Does this mean they are hypocrites for not wanting…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 04:36 PM
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Okay lucky for you this is one of my pet peeves you are going to hear about. I am a (many years sober) drug addict who studied the science of addiction some in college. When you physically ingest, say, opioids, you are ingesting an artificial version of a chemical your body already makes: endorphins and enkephalins. Your body, which, like the bodies of all animals, is primed to reduce any use of energy whenever it can, thus reduces the amount of endorphins IT creates. This doesn’t happen when yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 04:18 PM
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No but it’s nice when they do :) for aforementioned reasons ^
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 03:58 PM
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Was really smart and interesting to talk to and had read a huge number of the books I had read and had delightful ideas about them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 03:28 AM
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I fit these criteria. Here are mine: - attractive face - thick arms - interested in the things I’m interested in and smart in the ways I’m smart - fun and easy to talk to - compatible sexually (I’m kinky) - funny and thinks I’m funny - compatible personalities and values (outgoing, sex-positive, worldly, adventurous, chill and not obsessed with “success”) - I like the smell of his sweat (idk how to explain it. Some guys just smell better to me and some smell worse, and it doesn’t really track wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:20 PM
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I don’t. I don’t care if someone has been married before or had kids with someone else etc (at least for that reason. Kids and exes can be a logistical hassle). I want my partner to only be in love with me and only have sex with me, but why should I care if he has been in love or had sex before?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:09 PM
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I understand this argument, and I see your point, but I also feel like I have no idea who was the “best I have ever had.” Longest orgasm? Longest duration of uninterrupted physical pleasure before orgasm? Most meaningful sex? Most physically attractive partner? Most pleasant experience overall? Each of these are different. I also think that sex is definitionally more enjoyable with someone you are in love with, just like ping-pong and conversation and hiking are definitionally more enjoyable wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:12 AM
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Some feminists are. Some feminists are some of the most sex-positive people on the planet (in fact, the term sex-positive came from feminists). They have a lot of arguments about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:51 AM
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But what makes having sex (a mildly aerobic pleasurable social activity) hedonistic and ping-pong (a mildly aerobic pleasurable social activity) not? Hedonistic implies prioritizing immediate, shallow pleasure at the expense of long-term wellbeing, but the reasons why having sex would be prioritizing pleasure over wellbeing are obsolete.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:37 AM
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Well, but how is doing something immoral if it doesn’t hurt anyone and gives someone else pleasure? I agree that we have a vague societal notion that having a lot of sex is somehow bad, but the reasons WHY it was bad are gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:33 AM
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Who’s saying this isn’t true? I have never met a woman who didn’t think that some people are hotter than others, that more people want to date the hot ones, and that looks, money, and status make one hot (also pleasantness and compatibility). I’ve met significantly more men who don’t believe this (only for them, of course). Is this the red pill? Is this a “pill?”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:24 PM
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Yes 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 08:14 PM
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“Lots of women derailed about how they deserve not to be harassed or assaulted or whatever…which is like…what am I or any other guy supposed to do about it? We are already not doing anything…Take it up with the ones who do.” Okay. I did not raise you to feel like you have to do all this extra stuff for women because they are women. I do not personally expect you or any man to protect me/“lean out.” Take it up with the ones who do. Unless you are the only person allowed to talk about men/women as…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 08:04 PM
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Are you referring to ancient Greco-roman art? Because that was an artistic convention in a fairly small part of the world for a fairly short amount of time. Most of the world did not have the convention of stylistically depicting male genitalia as small, and men did not stop being in charge in Greece and Rome when those empires fell and those conventions fell out of use, and the places that did not have yhose conventions were not matriarchies. I agree that women need to stop body-shaming men. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:02 PM
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A lot of guys on here seem to think that most women feel this like…intense visceral disgust for men they aren’t attracted to. In my experience, this isn’t so at all. I’ve been asked out by some pretty unconventional-looking dudes, and I never felt disgusted. I just thought, “nah, this guys not for me.” Sometimes I thought “darn, this guy put me in an awkward social situation when I just wanted to do my elliptical.” But neither me nor any of the women I know are walking around feeling disgust for…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 09:52 PM
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As a bi woman who dates lesbians, this just ain’t true. Many lesbians are repulsed by kissing a man (just like many straight women are repulsed by kissing a woman) but not all. There is a HUGE number of people who identify as lesbian who read and write straight or gay male erotica. Lesbian sexuality isn’t more visual, either, in my experience—again, hence why more lesbians read WRITTEN porn. There are lesbian gold diggers, though there are significantly fewer rich lesbians than there are rich st…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:33 PM
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Hairy chest and arms! broad shoulders, big chin, strong brow, Adam’s apple. Dick and balls. Also I think some men do not find it attractive for women to be physically strong, socially and sexually successful, and self-possessed, but I know plenty who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:19 PM
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Only if the father does not register paternity! He doesn’t need to be in the hospital to register his paternity, and he doesn’t need the mother’s permission. When that happens, the child goes to him and the mother has to pay child support. Now, if the mother and father are strangers, or if the mother decides to move away and never see the father again, it is possible for the father to not know that the woman he slept with is pregnant, and thus not know to register paternity. This is bad. It’s a …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 07:47 PM
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“Consent to sex isn’t consent to parenthood”doesn’t apply to either parent. Once the child exists, NEITHER parent can unilaterally decide to give up their parental responsibilities. If mom wants to give baby up for adoption, and dad wants to keep it, mom can’t just say “well, but I didn’t consent to parenthood, so I’m not paying child support.” She has to, just like he would. This was the case for my friend, who was mostly raised by her dad with her mom paying child support. It happens fairly of…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 04:52 PM
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The best alternative is gender equality. The way to achieve it is looking at discriminatory laws, attitudes, and practices and working to fix them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 04:16 PM
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I am a feminist. I am not into the “men should approach” gender roles thing. When I hear women say that kind of thing, I object. I don’t think they’re gaslighting me by saying something that I (and you) think is regressive wrongheaded. They’re just…having kind of bad opinions. I also don’t think it’s reasonable to compare women expecting men to do the extra work in courtship of approaching them to men expecting women to…be servants for their entire lives. I think the more comparable gendered cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:00 PM
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So, in this scenario, my husband and I are splitting labor 50/50 (we both work full-time, both do 50% of chores) but we do not have 50/50 decision-making power. That sounds like a bum deal to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:48 PM
18

culturally, women are raised to be more agreeable, conscientious, and conscious of how they are perceived. They are taught to be more concerned with whether people like them, and they are better taught how to make people like them and keep liking them. This isn’t all good, obviously, and can cause a certain amount of anxiety and harm, but it also results in easier relationship formation and stronger relationships. Not caring very much about whether people find you pleasant results in less people…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 04:37 PM
5

I’d be thrilled! I like kinky femdom stuff and it’s kind of hard to find in the wild👍
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:39 PM
2

Sure. I mean, I don’t think it’s sexist or anything. Lesbians do it all the time. Obviously the rules about making jokes at other people’s expense and talking about their sex lives still apply: you can be more or less of a jerk about it depending on various factors, but those factors aren’t different for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:31 AM
1

😔U have my sympathy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:41 AM
3

Volunteer for a cause you care about. You’ll find people who have similar values and who you know are motivated by a general desire to be good and decent. Besides that, look for someone who doesn’t hurt people on purpose out of anger or self-interest or think he is better/smarter/more valuable than you or the average joe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:33 AM
1

Social skills and personality have a huge effect on my visceral attraction. Masculinity does not. I truly do not care at all if a man seems “feminine” or “gay.” He can wear drag for all I care.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:18 AM
1

I think the “don’t go out just to meet women” crowd is dead wrong. I think it’s totally fine and good to do things, join hobbies, get interests just to meet women.* This is the problem with the internet, though: people will have lots of conflicting opinions and advice. *obviously it’s not cool to, say, join a pickleball team and then not give a shit and drag everybody down BECAUSE you only care about meeting women. But I think that’s a separate issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:16 AM
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I do agree that autistic men have it harder, especially as adults, but I also think you are genuinely underplaying the struggles of autistic women. Just like autistic men often fall short of gendered expectations, so do autistic women, who, like all women, are held to higher standards for social skills, tact, and hygiene, and who are generally punished much more severely for failures to “know their place.” Being overly blunt, for example, is much more tolerated by men in the workplace and social…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:05 AM
3

There are 0 universally socially appropriate actions. Rude/socially inappropriate things are by definition just things that can reasonably be expected to make the other person feel bad/uncomfortable. A 65-year-old man hitting on me can be expected to know that it is VERY unlikely that I will be interested in dating, sleeping with, or flirting with him, so 1) it is clearly not his goal to have a mutually enjoyable interaction with me and 2) he is putting me in the unpleasant position of having to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:54 PM
1

Yes, I agree. But the fact that people use context to understand people’s emotions based on their face and tone of voice doesn’t mean that they don’t do it. They do. Really, what your question comes down to is “do people unintentionally express how they feel in ways other people perceive?” Which, they do. This happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:39 AM
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🙄😡🤢😬😐. Now a question for you: do you believe that most people are not able to discern each others emotions based on facial expressions?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:16 AM
1

Explain how women infer toxicity from men: I don’t think anyone is saying that women, specifically, can read minds. However, a lot of the time, people can and do figure out if a person is simmering with resentment and contempt for them based on that person making facial expressions and comments that indicate their simmering resentment. Women have varying degrees of social skills and contextual awareness and thus varying degrees of ability to pick up on the facial expressions that indicate resent…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:01 AM
1

Do they really? I call bs. If you are popular with the ladies I will eat my car.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 10:38 PM
3

Friend. Most people don’t like to be bossed around, and I’m one of them. Why would I need someone to “hold me to my promises?” Meanwhile, “gets along with you well” is the primary baseline requirement for all relationships, romantic and otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 01:08 AM
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It’s very gay-friendly and some are LGBT but not all. Personally I think that liberal and egalitarian ideas about sex and gender result in both gay-friendliness and sex toy-friendliness
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:48 PM
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Yep! Slept with and dated. Lots of men have sex toys in my circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 02:37 PM
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The idea that looks are the most important thing when it comes to attracting a partner has never been an “obscure theory” for women. Little girls learn this extremely early on, almost universally. I think this is the cause of many people online feeling baffled that “looks matter” was ever a “pill” anyone needed to take—those people are women or have spent a lot of time in close proximity with women. That isn’t to say that “if you do all the right things you will get A Girlfriend as a reward” and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:15 PM
3

I say “I’m mostly looking for casual at first, but im also very open to things turning romantic if thats what winds up happening” This is a nice, fun, and respectful way of saying “I would like to sex with you and hang out with you first, and if I like you enough, I’ll ask if you want to enter a committed relationship.” Because that is my intention. This seems like what a lot of guys are after too. Does that turn some guys off? Yes. Lots of guys don’t want to date someone who has had casual sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:50 PM
2

Who says all the rules are there to make society better for everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 01:46 AM
2

Look. Some people are naturally rebellious. Some people are naturally rule-following squares. Neither of these dispositions is “better.”There is simply no correlation between squareness and kindness or moral goodness. And yet the squares of the world keep trying to establish that actually THEIR disposition is better. The whole “nice guy” and “bad boy” thing is just that: squares assuming that people like them are better than people not like them and being baffled when other people don’t see it t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:35 PM
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Abuse is terrible, and men certainly aren’t immune to it. But, at least where I live, the “it’s just a slap” logic applies pretty evenly for men and women: the number of guys I’ve had slap my ass, HARD, without asking, is 4. 4!! I don’t know any dudes who have been slapped by 4 women. IMO people need to stop smacking each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 01:25 AM
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Yes. There is nothing you can do that will please every woman in the world. No matter what you do, there will be women on earth who would criticize it. This seems unfair until you realize that women are 50% of the human population and just as varied in opinion, experience, intelligence etc as the other 50%. There’s nothing you can do that will please all men, either. However you act, there will be men on the internet who criticize people who act like you. Sometimes you will find yourself at the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 04:31 PM
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