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I'm assuming the attitudes on this thread are not representative of the forum as a whole.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 09:14 PM
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The situation in the title did not happen. That does not mean that similar situations didn't. But quoting a fictitious news story is not sensible.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 04:16 PM
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Although, circumcision isn't mentioned in the Qu'ran, of the two major sects, Shia Muslims consider it obligatory, and Sunni consider it highly desirable. Some of the other minor sects consider to obligatory too.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 01:58 PM
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It is actually quite hard for me to reply to anything as my posts are down voted almost instantly regardless of what I say and there is an 8 minute delay- so I can only reply to one thing every 8 minutes. Downvoting someone's post because of who they are rather than what they say is, I understood completely against this forum's etiquette. Oh, and I agree, they shouldn't have blocked the fire exits. That was stupid and dangerous and probably illegal.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 01:39 PM
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I have no proof of fraud. But the source is unreliable.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 01:29 PM
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I would be absolutely delighted if that happened. Trouble is, two major, male dominated world religions insist on it. And on the States, a significant number of parents, both male and female, demand it. Where do we go from here?
/r/MensRights01/09/13 11:12 AM
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At a risk of being shouted at- I do think that we have a bit of a problem with a conflict between trying to raise boys to be sensitive and open with their feelings and the "education feminises boys" meme. How do we get round that? I know that there are many men who would disagree with some of the ways I am raising my own son- but I want him to be sensitive and thoughtful about his own and other's feelings.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 10:52 AM
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I'd just like to put on record that I have done noting troll-ish at all. Ihave read, posted, questioned, disagreed, provided sources, and, on several occasions, supported. Obviously this forum has a different definition of "troll" than the normal accepted one.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 10:18 AM
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Are the people downvoting me doing it because they want people to go on thinking that the story is genuine? I'll just make some coffee while the 8 minute delay imposed by this wonderful supporter of free speech ticks away............
/r/MensRights01/09/13 09:36 AM
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We can't know how many of the "gun to the head then not pulling the trigger" incidents there are. I suppose it would also be possible to say we can't know how many "lining the pills up and not taking them" incidents there are either. But I don't think that's important is it? The fact remains that too many people are committing suicide- and something needs to be done about it. What do we need to change in the way we raise our boys so that this isn't carried on into the next generation?
/r/MensRights01/09/13 09:26 AM
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Would me reading more (you have no idea how much reading I've done, by the way) have made the link less fake?
/r/MensRights01/09/13 08:50 AM
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That is such a thoughtful post. And universal. I suppose it might be more overt in Australia because of the the very "blokey" culture, but the same applies across the Western world. We need to find ways of raising our boys so that they can ask for help and not be ashamed of failure.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 08:25 AM
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I love the way this place works- Person 1 "could you tell me.......?" Person 2 "XYZ" Person 1" But that doesn't actually answer the question- could you say more?" Person 1"You're a troll, I'm going to make your posts disappear!" And then the site puts an 8 minute delay on person 1 so they can't actually join the conversation anyway! Ain't free speech wonderful!
/r/MensRights01/09/13 07:31 AM
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Go for it.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 07:06 AM
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So I point out that a quoted story is a fabrication- and the response is to downvote me to oblivion and call for me to be banned.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 06:28 AM
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Why? Have I said anything that should get me banned? Just check the facts of the story, that's all
/r/MensRights01/09/13 12:28 AM
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It looks as if this isn't true. http://eruditechick.tumblr.com/post/55498839908/this-is-disgusting
/r/MensRights01/09/13 12:18 AM
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I have no idea whether this is true or not- but for those of you not UK based, if the Daily Mail tells you it's sunny, it's always best to have a look out of the window before you leave your umbrella at home...........
/r/MensRights01/09/13 12:07 AM
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So, no practical proposals, then?
/r/MensRights31/08/13 06:40 PM
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Praying is not a "day to day" activity to me.
/r/MensRights31/08/13 06:10 PM
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There are women who are members of male dominated religions and sects who are forbidden from using facilities, like swimming pools, at the same time as men use them. This pool is, if I read it right, proposing to curtain off a part of the pool 4 times a week so that these women can use it. And you would stop that? Jesus wept!
/r/MensRights31/08/13 04:50 PM
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I presume if it was a religious requirement then yes they would. But it isn't.
/r/MensRights31/08/13 04:39 PM
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So you would rather they weren't able to swim at all because pulling a curtain across a couple of times a week is unfair to men? Really?
/r/MensRights31/08/13 04:09 PM
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So, what would you like me to do, in practical terms,starting tomorrow, which would help?
/r/MensRights31/08/13 03:48 PM
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As far as I know, there are no religious sets which mean that men have to do any normal day to day activities segregated from women. There are several faiths and sects of faiths where women would not be allowed to swim at all if they could not do it segregated from men. Are you saying that Muslim women should be barred from the pool?
/r/MensRights31/08/13 03:32 PM
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Yeah, well, this would not be necessary if the male dominated Muslim faith and male dominated fundamentalist Christian sects did not forbid women to swim with men........
/r/MensRights31/08/13 02:57 PM
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So what do you suggest?
/r/MensRights31/08/13 02:47 PM
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So, what do we do? How do we bring our sons up to be men who can ask for help, can express and acknowledge their feeling, can cry?
/r/MensRights31/08/13 07:03 AM
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Men are in general socialised not to ask for help or admit to failure, or even to finding things difficult. Men generally don't seek medical help for problems until they are intolerable. Women are socialised to ask for help, to talk to people to share problems and to seek medical advice. This has to be a contributor to more men committing suicide than women. Another contributer is the method chosen- men TEND to choose no going back methods, women TEND to choose methods where if they are found in…
/r/MensRights31/08/13 06:28 AM
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Of course you're sad- you have a perfect right to be, you're in a desperately sad situation. Be gentle with yourself- and be prepared for the sad feelings to last longer than you expect. And for them to return occasionally, even when you think you've got over it. The decision whether or not to continue with a prgnancy has to be the woman's and the woman's alone- but that doesn't make it easy. Biology sucks sometimes.
/r/MensRights31/08/13 06:07 AM
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Ok. But I don't understand why you don't want to talk about stuff.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:18 PM
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It's not stupid. It's thoughtful and interesting, Point to a stupid bit?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:05 PM
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Ok. So are you in pain all the time? Are you able to have pain free sex? Can you urinate without pain? Do you have to have further surgery to be able to function as a sexually active adult?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:00 PM
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I've been searching through that document for a breakdown of the gender of the male victims's rapists. Is it there? Am I missing it?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 06:07 PM
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No. That is not true. I think that the circumcision for no medical reason of people unable to consent is appalling. HOWEVER. I don't think that anyone could say that a circumcision which, however horrendous, leaves a man with a pain free functioning socially acceptable (because both circumcised and uncircumcised penises are acceptqble unless you belong to a religion which demands cicrumcision) penis is less awful than cutting then sewing together the labia of a 10 year old leaving only a small h…
/r/MensRights30/08/13 06:04 PM
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You can believe that if you want to. I really want to understand. A lot of what you all say bears absolutely no relation to the world as I see it- and nothing anybody has posted has helped me to see it differently. Some bad mannered women protesting loudly, a few blogs. And laws passed that somehow have only been passed because of feminist influences. With no explanation of how that influence works. I have persistently said that the way western society is organised is bad for men and women, but …
/r/MensRights30/08/13 04:51 PM
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And the 5.5 million?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 04:13 PM
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I didn't say they didn't still affect men today.mi was just hoping for examples of things happening today,
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:36 PM
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Where do you get your 5.5 million figure from? The number of men who have been forced to penetrate someone?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:35 PM
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Still haven't had time to sit down and read all those links properly.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:31 PM
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I have watched the video clip you linked to. It made no sense. Who were those people? What was it about? How can you draw any conclusions from that?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:30 PM
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The first two. Noisy protest. Protest is allowed. The third. Why didn't the MRA just let her read her list? The rape posters. It wasn't saying that all men are rapists. It as saying that the one person who can make sure a rope doesn't happen is he person doing the raping. Logical, no?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:25 PM
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I have watched the videos. As I said before- is protest not allowed?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:16 PM
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So pleased to see you all have such commitment to freedom of speech!
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:03 PM
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In what way is she "retarded?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:01 PM
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I'll read and respond later- I haven't time to look at all the links at the moment. I'm not ignoring.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 11:16 AM
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Hmm. No reply?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 11:14 AM
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I was grouping them as examples (one "good" one "bad") that MRA use all the time. I was hoping for some new ones.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 11:13 AM
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So in what way is she "retarded"?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 11:09 AM
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But it's fine for you to say women would lie about contraception? Personally, if I didn't want to get pregnant, I would trust nobody but myself to make sure it didn't happen. My partner might not lie about having taken his pill, but he might have forgotten or taken it then been sick, or taken it too late or too early........if mistakes are made I want them to be mine.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 11:07 AM
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Yep. And another one saying "never trust a man when he says he is infertile/will pull out. He might be lying and you WILL have to face the consequences" Happy with both.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:35 AM
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In what way? Nice use of disablist language, by the way!
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:33 AM
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OK- I can see why you want to use examples from the past. But please could you come up with some different ones? Apart from Erin Pizzey and Valerie Solanas?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:31 AM
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So people are not allowed to protest???
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:27 AM
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For example, on another thread on here, somebody asked about bringing up daughters. And somebody posted "Abort" Should I judge MRA by that?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:23 AM
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"They were long ago and we don't need them to show that feminism is a hate movement." So what do^ you need?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:22 AM
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"I don't think that's what all men think, or that they are representative of the men's movement So we should ignore any article against the mrm by feminists and say "well, they are not true feminists!"?" What would you do if I posted an unpleasant anti woman blog or video (and there are plenty of them) and said that it was evidence that MRA hate women?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:21 AM
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I don't think mine should be more legitimate. I just want evidence.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:19 AM
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Right. What has Harriet Harman done?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:18 AM
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No corner. It's just that people are saying it's going on now. And the White Feather Campaign, although outrageous (as any right thinking person of any gender would think) was a very long time ago.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 08:25 AM
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It isn't, you know. Look around some.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 08:22 AM
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Ok- I can find lots of anti woman blogs written by men. I don't think that's what all men think, or that they are representative of the men's movement. Your last two points. Could you give some specifics? Where feminists have done these things? Because it's difficult to address such generalised statements.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 08:08 AM
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http://www.thomhartmann.com/bigpicture/conversations-great-minds-ms-gloria-steinem-demonizing-word-feminist-p2 Just in case anybody wants to see what she actually said. It's in the last few minutes. But th whole interview is interesting.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 08:00 AM
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If you don't want to have a baby, use contraception. Don't rely on anyone else- take responsibility for yourself.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 06:41 AM
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Does it matter? Anybody who is feeling suicidal or attempts suicide needs support- does it matter what gender they are?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 06:38 AM
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How can you base any comment at all on that video? It has absolutely no information at all! Does anyone actually have a report that tells us anything?
/r/MensRights30/08/13 06:36 AM
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It's fantastic that Jewish people are starting to react against routine circumcision. But I do think it will take so very long for attitudes to change- I wish they would introduce legislation,I really do. But I've looked at your articles, and they a L seem to be more or less from the same place- there are a very few Jews celebrating a Bit Shalom. And th Jewish establishment hasn't really even noticed, let alone started to consider whether they should be cchanging. And the attempts to minimise th…
/r/MensRights29/08/13 11:08 PM
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Bullshit. Apart from anything else, it is incredibly rare for FGM to involve the removal of the clitoral hood alone. Men, the circumcising for no medical reason of a person unable to consent is wrong, wrong, wrong. But please don't compare to to FGM. You will do your cause no good.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 10:45 PM
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Oops, sorry for the racial stereoptyping!. So are you saying that in Denmark it's OK for children to use serious swear words in front of adults?
/r/MensRights29/08/13 10:40 PM
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Yes, I do.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 10:37 PM
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I beg to differ.nit's honest people who are the easiest to trick, because hey tend to judge others by their own standards.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 07:17 PM
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But presumably the moral response is never to coerce or trick the woman into having an abortion, as the article suggests?
/r/MensRights29/08/13 01:47 PM
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Doctors and parents can be men too, right?
/r/MensRights29/08/13 01:12 PM
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" [–]avantvernacular 1 point 6 minutes ago Teach her that she is responsible for her behavior, regardless of the circumstances. Teach her to be proud of who she is because of her decisions, not in comparison to others. Teach her that her self worth is not made by being better than others, but a better self. Teach her to be fair, even when it is not in her favor to do so. Teach her to be honest, even when it is unpopular. Teach her to stand up for what is right, even when it is not advantageous. …
/r/MensRights29/08/13 01:10 PM
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Many people, feminist or not, are not accustomed to thinking of men as being systematically victimized" When it comes to infant circumcision, who is doing the victimisation?
/r/MensRights29/08/13 11:58 AM
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No I am not anti abortion. I am against the decision whether or not to have one being anyone's except the person who has to go through it.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 11:55 AM
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What is the moral response to an unplanned pregnancy?
/r/MensRights29/08/13 11:55 AM
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But who knows which came first? My daughter only started to enjoy maths in a single sex secondary school- she had not performed well in her mixed primary school where the competitiveness of the boys, coupled with the general assumption that boys were better at maths than girls (which she bought, despite my efforts!) shook her confidence badly. She might have been a maths whiz with a different start, who knows?
/r/MensRights29/08/13 10:08 AM
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Ah, Australia! Got to love Australia! In the UK, whatever others on here try to tell you, a 12 year old of either gender using any but the mildest of swear words would be considered very bad mannered indeed.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 08:51 AM
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This is nothing to do with whether or not she is a feminist. Certainly this would be a deal breaker for me- what does she say when you put it to her like that? Don't talk about female circumcision- you will put yourself on very dodgy ground. Just say you do not want to have a child with someone who believes in performing non medically required surgical procedures on people who are unable to consent. And see what she says.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 08:36 AM
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Nope. Not American. Just don't like kids swearing. And want my children to have good manners.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 07:52 AM
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Well, they shouldn't be having sex with anyone, then, should they?
/r/MensRights29/08/13 07:49 AM
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Could you provide some references? I have looked for information about the one drop of blood from the labia ceremonies and can find none. I can find people offering the Brit Shalom ceremony, but only one example of anyone actually doing it, and they were a couple where one was a secular Jew and one not Jewish at all.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 07:31 AM
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I do have a son, and if he swore or used offensive language in front of one of his friend's parents, I would so expect him to be called up on it.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 07:20 AM
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Well, I'm not the one who can't recognise a joke when I hear one!
/r/MensRights29/08/13 07:16 AM
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I find that I can't- the research all seems to be non conclusive- apart from a study in Belfast in 2006, which wasn't, apparently, very well carried out. Everything else seems to be anecdotal, based on people's personal experience. Interesting. I thought the girls do better in single sex/boys do better in coed thing was a proven fact. My anecdote, for what it's worth, is that at my son's school, girls were significantly under performing compared to boys at maths and sciences. Once they were taug…
/r/MensRights29/08/13 07:07 AM
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I think non medically required circumcision should be made illegal.But while it remains a requirement for two major world religions it will continue. So surely finding out the best way to do it is a good thing? These baby boys would have been circumcised anyway- while parents are still legally allowed to ask for it, it will continue to happen. But please don't compare infant circumcision of boys with what happens to girls who undergo FGM. Both are wrong. But a circumcised boy is left with (apart…
/r/MensRights29/08/13 06:11 AM
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Stacy is a unisex name- on this occasion, it was a male.
/r/MensRights28/08/13 11:08 PM
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I don't think the education system in the UK favours girls in maths and science. Certainly at my son's school, girls were lagging behind in these subjects, and teaching the genders separately addressed the problem. Girls do find it difficult to speak up in mixed gender classes. A girl only environment worked well for them. But boys only didn't make the boys score higher- it made not difference,
/r/MensRights28/08/13 11:07 PM
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And it's up to the older adult man to say no.
/r/MensRights28/08/13 10:56 PM
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The rapist wasn't a woman- why on earth are you saying that?
/r/MensRights28/08/13 10:56 PM
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There is research that says that single sex education benefits girls, but is bad for boys. At my son's school, they have separate maths classes for boys and girls- the boy's scores haven't changed, but the girls' have shot up. Make of that what you will.
/r/MensRights28/08/13 10:53 PM
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Yes of course. It's called a surrogate. Gay men do it all the time.
/r/MensRights28/08/13 06:43 PM
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Oh, don't be silly. I thought it was feminists whe were supposed to be humourless!
/r/MensRights28/08/13 05:50 PM
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Er- I think she was joking????
/r/MensRights28/08/13 12:45 PM
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It sounds as though you work in an unsafe environment, seriously. Do you have a Union?
/r/MensRights28/08/13 06:39 AM
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The words have completely different histories. I suspect most of the people commenting are not parents. I don't know any parent of either gender who would be happy with their 12 year old using the word "cunt" in front of them.
/r/MensRights27/08/13 09:46 PM
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But are all boys like this? I don't think they are. And it's very easy for gentler, more sensitive boys to be trampled underfoot by their more boisterous peers.
/r/MensRights27/08/13 09:41 PM
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I thought we were talking about children? I would expect a father to "regulate the behaviour" of a carful of girls. I would also expect a father to "regulate the behaviour" of a carful of boys if necessary. Boys need to learn from adult men how to be men. Being thoughtful and considerate of other people should be a characteristic of an adult of either gender. There qre places whereni woulld nor expect to hewr swewring. And one of the places is from a 12 year old to an adult.
/r/MensRights27/08/13 03:32 PM
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Just wondering what I have said to prompt such a strong reaction......
/r/MensRights27/08/13 02:59 PM
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I honestly don't understand why teaching children good manners is sending thm the message that their genders is inherently flawed".nisn't the job of a parent to encourage children, of either gender, to be thoughtful and courteous?
/r/MensRights27/08/13 02:58 PM
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"Boys like to rough house verbally or physically, that's what boys do" But isn't an important for them to learn when and where? I don't want my son and his friends rough housing in the living room or using offensive language in front of me, or other adults. So I will chuck them out into the gwrden or up to my son's room to play fight, and I will tell them to moderate their language in my hearing. I see no problem with this. Apart from anything else, I want him to be able to express himself witho…
/r/MensRights27/08/13 12:29 PM
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I thought men didn't like being forced to conform to crude stereotypes of masculinity........
/r/MensRights27/08/13 11:17 AM
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Absolutely. She shouldn't have hit him. People shouldn't laugh- I don't find the video even remotely funny. But I do think they are as bad as each other. He made a fool of he in public, she did a stupid thing, and made a fool out of him. She tried to make him stop, but he didn't. The whole thing is horrible.
/r/MensRights27/08/13 10:10 AM
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Wow. So you would bully and encourage others to bully my child because he had good manners. What a delightful individual you are. And there was me thinking that one of the good things about the MRA was that it wanted to give me the opportunity to break away from crude stereotypes..........
/r/MensRights27/08/13 10:05 AM
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The video is obviously part of a campaign. Presumably there was campaigning on the other side? Do you think that the people who, for whatever reason- social, political, financial, bloody minded ness didn't want the men's centre should have just shut up? Ditto the newspaper article. You seem to be saying that any exprssion of an opposing view is blocking. What sort of opposition do you think people should be allowed to express?
/r/MensRights27/08/13 10:00 AM
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"ow utterly vain one must be, to think that men would build friendships, lasting institutions, and places of leisure and comfort with the primary goal of robbing women of opportunity" I don't think that's what I said. But this was the result. It didn't matter, for example, that all the candidates for the Board were members of the men only golf club and met here on Saturday afternoons to network. Until women started to be candidates for the board too. And couldn't join in. That's when it started …
/r/MensRights27/08/13 09:55 AM
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I was explaining why women created women only spaces. A woman only space does not erode your freedom of association.
/r/MensRights27/08/13 09:48 AM
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Fortnight, not night. And the stats are upthread.
/r/MensRights27/08/13 09:47 AM
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I would stop boys or girls spreading unpleasant rumours about their peers in my presence.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 10:55 PM
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"Now we've seen how the left is literally recruiting young boys into transgender identities" Eh?
/r/MensRights26/08/13 10:54 PM
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Yes, if girls are speaking in an inappropriate way- and certainly if they are referring to another girl as a fucking whore, I would stop that too. Who wouldn't?
/r/MensRights26/08/13 10:22 PM
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That's so sad. I hope it's not real. But oh, such a stupid thing to do. And very, very, very unfair.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 10:16 PM
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She bought a voucher. If it didn't say on the voucher "men only" then he should have cut her hair. If it did, then he shouldn't. Simple.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 10:10 PM
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"Let me put it to you this way, do you think this was a feminist?" No. Categorically and absolutely not!
/r/MensRights26/08/13 10:08 PM
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But I am a grown up. I know my son speaks very differently out of my hearing, I hope that he isn't racist, sexist, disablist or homophobic when i'm not there, but I sure as hell won't let him be in front of me. It's called teaching appropriate behaviour, not feminising.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 10:03 PM
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Ok. Just in case anyone is interested. In the past, men only spaces were often where all sorts of deals and work related stuff was discussed. This means that women missed out on vital professional "gossip" and contacts and leads- they were used as a way of keeping women out of the loop. Also lots of places, like pubs, were de facto male only. I hav to say, if you are not a woman, you cannot imagine how intimidating it feels to go into, for example, a rowdy bar. You have to take my word for this!…
/r/MensRights26/08/13 08:48 PM
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All I can say is that in my circles, men aren't expected to "pay for dates", unless it's a birthday or an anniversary or something. Nor in my teenage daughter's. Maybe you're unlucky in your social circle?
/r/MensRights26/08/13 08:25 PM
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"Because the male victims of domestic violence are demanding it." Are they? Where?
/r/MensRights26/08/13 08:12 PM
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I don't.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 08:11 PM
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So..... You don't stop your boys if they use offensive language in front of you? Really? Is expecting good manners "feminising?"
/r/MensRights26/08/13 08:05 PM
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Not lazy at all. Gratuitous insults do your cause no good. Of course the 34 men who die are important. Nobody ever says they aren't. It's just hard when it sounds as if you think they are MORE important than the women.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 04:59 PM
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No- because all violent crime is down. The 2 a week comes from earlier years. No comments on the death of more than 3 women every fortnight at the hands of their partner?
/r/MensRights26/08/13 04:27 PM
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Not sure how best to answer all these points. 1. Women work fewer hours than men because they do the lion's share of childcare and domestic work. 2. Men benefit from the domestic work women do. 3. I would need to see the stats for the lighter sentences argument. 4. Men are morelikely to be murdered- and to be murderers. Yes, I agree that more should be done to address the problem of male violence. 5. Girls do better than boys at school- but boys then do better in the workplace. 6. Men are expect…
/r/MensRights26/08/13 03:58 PM
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Could you fix the title too?
/r/MensRights26/08/13 12:40 PM
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I didn't intentionally abandon any discussion. There were not "countless examples" given- there were the same 4 or 5- each of which I addressed, I think! And I don't think I ever said "feminism is helping men too". I have, however, frequently said the the patriarchy is damaging to men too, which I believe to be true.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 12:39 PM
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Right. I've already commented on the video- it's been linked to several times. It is a political campaign video- and means nothing. There is no way of knowing whether the campaigners are right or wrong. If you have another video showing the other side of the argument then we could have a discussion. And the newspaper article is not about feminists blocking anything. It's about 20 women, who may or may not be feminists, putting their point of view ahead of a bill being passed. Are you saying that…
/r/MensRights26/08/13 10:36 AM
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Unless I am misreading, this man is not a victim of domestic violence- he was raped by superior officer in the Forces. If he was in the UK, there are phone numbers I could offer him, but I don't know who to ring in the States. I hope someone else does.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 09:26 AM
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Well, if you consider my postings on this thread to be harassment then your experience of harassment must be pretty limited!
/r/MensRights26/08/13 07:19 AM
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Seriously, is there a reason you just won't actually answer the question? It's not insanity to expect reasonable people in a debate to provide more information when asked!
/r/MensRights26/08/13 07:11 AM
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How about this then? http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_298904.pdf I think it's figure 9 you want. The one showing the relationship between homicide victims and perpetrators. It is less than 2 women a week- more like 1.8.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 07:07 AM
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Ah. So basically, everything bad is women's fault. Are you saying that women secretly hold all the power in Islam as well?
/r/MensRights26/08/13 06:46 AM
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I have a teenage daughter. What 3 thing would you like me to teach her about how she should relate to boys?
/r/MensRights26/08/13 06:43 AM
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Harass=ask questions? Negative karma- well, my car died on Friday- is that what you mean?
/r/MensRights25/08/13 10:54 PM
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So what do you want women to do? In an ideal world?
/r/MensRights25/08/13 10:51 PM
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They are Home Office and Dept of Health and other authoritative organisation's figures- just gathered together by Woman's Aid in one place.I thought people would be able to see past the name of to the statistics.
/r/MensRights25/08/13 07:55 PM
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Really? How does that work when in all but the most reform of Reform synagogues, women can't be Rabbis or members of Beth Din?
/r/MensRights25/08/13 07:46 PM
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I'm not blaming men. What I am saying is that men have to see that they are part of the problem. The perpetuation of "lad" culture, the whole presenteeism work ethic- men have to take responsibity for changing it. It's no use just saying "oh, it's all women's fault"
/r/MensRights25/08/13 07:43 PM
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Where and how?.
/r/MensRights25/08/13 07:38 PM
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"Feminism never had a huge, well funded movement saying that the problem of abused women didn't happen." Yes they did! That's why the refuges had to be in people's houses, funded by donations and run on a shoe string! The police, the establishment, the courts all denied that domestic violence against women happened, or if it did,it was just men exercising their right to chastise women. That is fact- as you're such a fan of Erin Pizzey, you must know that! And I think the problem is that I don't …
/r/MensRights25/08/13 07:34 PM
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How do they stop you?
/r/MensRights25/08/13 06:12 PM
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http://www.womensaid.org.uk/domestic-violence-articles.asp?section=00010001002200410001&itemid=1280
/r/MensRights25/08/13 06:10 PM
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Well, if I wanted to come in here I had to make an account. And it was new because I haven't had an account before! I haven't insulted anyone, and I don't know what you mean by "deserved consequences".
/r/MensRights25/08/13 05:58 PM
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"A start would be to stop blaming men for something that is caused primarily by women's sexual preferences" Sorry- don't understand.
/r/MensRights25/08/13 05:52 PM
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Themountaingoqt- that's how women's refuges were set up.it was only when a need was established that any public money was put into the,- and even then, most of the money was in donations. To get public funding you have to establish a need. If you were going to write a funding application, how would you show that ther was a need for safe houses for male victims of domestic violence? How would you show that there are men in real fear for their lives and the lives of their children- men who have no…
/r/MensRights25/08/13 05:49 PM
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So, the post prominent examples are something that happened in the 1970s and some students getting ridiculously shouty? (Like that never happens around any other subject!) You (I think) said that you had tried to set up a refuge for the male victims of domestic violence, but were stopped by feminists. But you won't say where, when or how.
/r/MensRights25/08/13 12:24 PM
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Did I say this? At any point?
/r/MensRights25/08/13 11:39 AM
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Just had a google- can't find any gender specific suicide help lines at all. What am I missing?
/r/MensRights25/08/13 11:38 AM
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Because I thought that the most significant helpline for the suicidal is The Samaritans, which is for men and women. I was not aware of any female only suicide helplines,
/r/MensRights25/08/13 11:34 AM
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Because it hasn't been answered.
/r/MensRights25/08/13 11:05 AM
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How does that stop you secrioning off half your house and offering it as a refuge for the male victims of domestic violence? That's what Erin Pizzey did. In the face of huge and vocal opposition from individual men and from the establishment who accused her of breaking up marriages, and denying them their rights as heads of their households.
/r/MensRights25/08/13 10:47 AM
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"Well as a movement we are trying to set up facilities for men in order to help them" What sort of things? I am beginning to wonder if people realise how long ago it was that Erin Pizzey set up her shelters. There seems to be a feeling that because Erin Pizzey's attempt to set up a shelter for male victims failed there's no point trying again,
/r/MensRights25/08/13 08:50 AM
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"You have already been given numerous examples of things the MRM has tried to do in this thread, many of which have been shut down by feminists." You know, unless I've missed them, I don't think I have been given "numerous example". I've been given the same few lots of times. Erin Pizzey, Earl Silverman and a talk at the University of Toronto come up over and over again. I say "what's stopping you staring a refuge for the male victims of domestic violence and seeing who turns up?" And you say yo…
/r/MensRights25/08/13 07:08 AM
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How many women rabbis are there? Members of Beth Din? People who could actually make a decision about ending circumcision?. Are the people who decide that an uncircumcised man cannot be a member of the Jewish community men or women?
/r/MensRights25/08/13 07:00 AM
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Well men tend to have sex with attractive women. I'm not sure what we can do about that. And women who are not conventionally attractive are regularly mocked and abused for the "crime" of appearing on TV. You're aware of what happened to Mary Beard, right?
/r/MensRights25/08/13 06:50 AM
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Before feminism had any money or support it campaigned on a shoe string, and people spent their own money on the campaigns. They had to fifths a lot of opposition to get the things they felt were necessary. I ask again. What have feminists dome to prevent people setting up shelters for male victims of domestic violence?
/r/MensRights24/08/13 10:23 PM
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"The women have full control over the money, property, sex and children and if that isn't a matriarchy then I don't know what is." Is this some other definition of Judaism that differs from the ordinary everyday one?
/r/MensRights24/08/13 10:07 PM
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Now I really don't understand.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 01:50 PM
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A troll. So. How are feminists stopping people setting up refuges for the male victims of domestic violence?
/r/MensRights24/08/13 01:23 PM
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Hmm. I'm not, actuallly. I wonder whether it's easier to call me a troll than explain how feminists are stopping people setting up refuges for male victims of domestic violence.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 12:48 PM
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Why not just set up a refuge for male victims of domestic abuse and see who comes? That's how the shelters for women started. I really don't understand how feminists are stopping you doing this. You have to demonstrate a need before you get official funding- this applies to all public money. So do it. Create a shelter. Make a case.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 09:15 AM
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An unattributed article from 1994 is hardly evidence, surely? 2 women a week are killed in domestic violence incidents in the UK.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 09:12 AM
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No I don't. I think that men help to perpetuate a culture where men are expected to be a particular way, to not ask for help, to never show weakness, tiredness or sensitivity and where deviating from the norm is not allowed. Men don't seem to have a tradition of looking out for each other, they are socialized into competitiveness. And this is a rich breeding ground for suicidal thoughts. I know women begging their partners to go to the doctor, for example, and they won't.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 09:06 AM
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Are there dedicated female suicide lines?
/r/MensRights24/08/13 09:02 AM
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That wasn't my intention. Now we've got that cleared up, could you tell me some more about the refuges men have tried to set up and how feminists have prevented them?
/r/MensRights24/08/13 08:57 AM
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Well, what it showed to me was that a group of people -I have no idea whether they all identify as feminists or not made a campaigning video about a particular on campus proposal. I don't think it's possible to comment without seeing the other side- was^ it a good use of resources? How was it intended to be used? Was there a demand? What "market research" had been done? It might have been a fantastic, well researched idea- or not. I just don't know.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 08:08 AM
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And practically?
/r/MensRights24/08/13 08:06 AM
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Well, what it showed to me was that a group of people -I have no idea whether they all identify as feminists or not made a campaigning video about a particular on campus proposal. I don't think it's possible to comment without seeing the other side- was^ it a good use of resources? How was it intended to be used? Was there a demand? What "market research" had been done? It might have been a fantastic, well researched idea- or not. I just don't know.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 08:03 AM
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We also hate how much more of a fight we have to create one, as even feminists fight us in trying to help men" Again- how are feminists stopping you?
/r/MensRights24/08/13 07:01 AM
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"Switch the roles and she would have received a fucking medal of honor. I don't think so. Can I ask what might seem a naive question. Why do you think there is a demand for refuges for male victims of domestic violence? I'm not saying there isn't- just how do you know there is a demand?
/r/MensRights24/08/13 07:00 AM
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Judaism is a matriarchal faith? Well, it is certainly passed down thought the female line- but that's is as matriarchal as it gets! You are factually incorrect to say that mainstream Islam does not support circumcision.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 06:53 AM
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I asked for more information on this statement, which was posts without any other context. "We did... they were harassed and actively worked against by feminists" Why does this make me a troll?
/r/MensRights24/08/13 06:39 AM
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I am neither developmentally delayed, 12 or a sock puppet.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 06:36 AM
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Good point. But this ties in with men not being able to ask for help, or admit that they are in trouble. Women's "cry for help" suicide attempts, because of the methods chosen, often do result in help. A man not pulling the trigger isn't going to. So we need to find ways to get men to admit to mental health issues and seek help. Deconstructing the unhealthy stereotype of "strong silent" masculinity is a good first step.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 06:32 AM
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How many men die every week as a result of domestic violence? Women have historically not been taken seriously- this site seems very fond of Erin Pizzey- she set up her refuge because women were not being taken seriously by the police. Breast feeding Many women do- and still do the lion's share of child care and domestic work.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 12:01 AM
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Neither are myths. And portending they are is doing your cause no good.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 11:42 PM
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So are you saying that all the men who commit suicide are socially awkward, unattractive and unsuccessful? I think more of men than that!
/r/MensRights23/08/13 11:41 PM
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Why would a man's suicide attempts not be recorded?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 11:39 PM
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Judaism. Islam.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 11:24 PM
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Could you give the date and title of the bill concerned?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:58 PM
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"We've decided to do things for ourselves" Fantastic. What are you doing?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:56 PM
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Very helpful!
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:54 PM
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You see, I just find this bit hard. What are these powerful feminists doing that you object to so much?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:53 PM
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Do you have a link to a video campaigning for the proposed men's centre? Because just showing a video campaigning against it isn't very helpful.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:52 PM
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I don't think you can have a "slight hint of genital mutilation" I have to say that blaming feminists for infant circumcision ( a practice that I would like to see banned) is a bit odd. Boys are often,circumcised because male dominated faith groups insist on it. And I don't know whose decision it is in non faith families- none of the people I know who do not have a faith imperative have circumcised their boys.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:44 PM
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The figures on male and female perpetrators of domestic violence remain questionable. But obviously all victims of violence should be taken seriously and the perpetrators punished. Women certainly know what it feels like not to be taken seriously when they suffer DV, it is very sad that the same is happening to men. Equal custody ( I think it's generally called care and control nowadays) is a difficult issue- the practicalities, particularly for very small children are difficult. And it is very …
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:40 PM
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I'm not conflating. I am acknowledging that the position of women is very different in different countries. In some countries women suffer real oppression. I would not like to use the word oppression to describe the situation of women in the western world- which is why I use disadvantage.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:31 PM
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No. I just haven't been on this board before.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:28 PM
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No. But it was a Civil Service department, and the vast majority of civil servants, particularly senior ones, were men.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:27 PM
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Absolutely. But I thought at that particular point we were talking about WW1- that's when the White Feather campaign was in operation.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:26 PM
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I don't claim to be working on men's issues- any more than you claim to b working on women's issues. But it is in the interest of both men and women to challenge the way out society is structured. Yes, I do think that women are more directly disadvantaged by the patriarchy than men are. The ways men are disadvantaged are subtler- they are expected to conform to very rigid masculine stereotypes, and very old fashioned work practices which prevent many men exploring different ways to live, and kee…
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:24 PM
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Yes I know who Erin Pizzey is. You also may have noticed that I have not been rude to anyone.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:18 PM
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And I have never been asked to be involved in, or been aware of any campaign against the setting up of a safe house for the male victims of domestic violence. When did this happen?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 07:31 PM
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Women set up refuges for what were called "battered wives" against huge opposition from practically everyone, including the church, who accused them of breaking up marriages. I'm not sure how "feminists" could stop you, to be honest..........
/r/MensRights23/08/13 07:29 PM
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Really? Say more......
/r/MensRights23/08/13 07:27 PM
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Because feminists believe that women are still disadvantaged in some countries, oppressed in others, and there are still mountains to climb.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 07:16 PM
1

What do you man by "by it's actions"?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 07:14 PM
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"I should also point out how many men's magazines compliment the female form while women's magazines just criticize." I think we must read different magazines!
/r/MensRights23/08/13 07:14 PM
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Thank you- no I didn't.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 07:06 PM
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Men are forced into a model of masculinity which makes it very difficult for them to ask for help or express emotions. And where failure is unacceptable. These things mean that they are driven to suicide. The undercurrent of violence in male culture means that they sometimes turn that violence on themselves, and, sadly, because of that culture, use more violent means and are more often successful in killing themselves than women are. Women actually attempt suicide mor often than men do- men are …
/r/MensRights23/08/13 07:06 PM
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Sorry, that just doesn't mak sense. You persist in ignoring he fact that I say the patriarchy disadvantages both men and women. Does that not fit in with your narrative of what feminists think?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 06:55 PM
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"If a particular thing faced by women involves men, it's "the patriarchy", if a particular thing faced by men involves women it's "the culture"." No. You may have noticed that I consistently say that the patriarchy is damaging to both men and women.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 06:41 PM
1

Really? On a daily basis on page 3 of a national newspaper?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 06:33 PM
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The rest of my sentence was "which is damaging to both men and women"
/r/MensRights23/08/13 06:30 PM
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Is it? So does that go for you too, as a MRA? Do you support equality for all?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 06:28 PM
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There were no feminists as such in 1920- but yes, I am aware that the Pankhursts were involved in the campaign. The Suffragettes were focused on getting women the vote, on changing the political system. They were not focused on social change, and would have been steeped in the mores of the time. So yes, I am horrified by the White Feather campaign, just as I am horrified by the treatment of men with shell shock and battle fatigue in WW1, and by the execution of deserters and "cowards". 1920 was …
/r/MensRights23/08/13 06:26 PM
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It's not a female privilege because women had no choice in the matter. Women were not allowed to go to the front. Women members of the armed services have been fighting for the right to go to the front Lin for years!
/r/MensRights23/08/13 06:16 PM
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Sorry- pressed too soon. The level of male suicide is attributable,among other things, to the patriarchy, and the way it expects men to behave.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:32 PM
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Men benefit from the patriarchy, but are damaged by it as well- th
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:30 PM
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I'm pretty sure you wouldn't accept any judgement I was to make about men based on the contributions to Mary Beard's twitter feed..........
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:23 PM
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I can't. Because equal pay legislation means that women and men doing exactly the same job are paid the same. There are many examples where women doing work of equivalent value have been paid less. And overall, women are paid less than men,
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:22 PM
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Violence is wrong. Why haven't men set up refuges for other men?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:20 PM
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Really? I have genuinely never heard the expression before. I would personally never use it.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:19 PM
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The White Feather campaign in WW1? Awful. But a product of the culture and politics of the time. The "What did you do in the war, daddy?" posters were also awful- and produced by the War Office- an entirely male institution. Not sure what you're trying to prove.....
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:09 PM
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" There are many, many men here who will gladly list for you the atrocities and abuses of feminists" Give me 3?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:03 PM
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I don't think I have ever seen the expression benevolent sexism used in that way. And,a s a point of information, it was always the male services hierarchy who opposed women being on the front line, not feminists!
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:01 PM
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Example, please?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 01:39 PM
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I acknowledge that men are sometimes disadvantaged by the patriarchy. I do not acknowledge that women are privileged by it.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 01:23 PM
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The patriarchy is damaging to bot men and women. Men have to live up to an image of how men are supposed to be- all that stiff upper lip crap, for one example, the "presenteeism" at work for another.This is a significant contributor to male suicides.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 11:36 AM
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I am using my only name on here- don't understand this one!
/r/MensRights23/08/13 11:33 AM
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Sorry- when I first clicked on the link it took me somewhere completely irrelevant. You'll have to leave that with me- I need to look up the quotations. That are all very brief, out of context, and I recognise several of them as coming from works of fiction. I'll be back on that one,
/r/MensRights23/08/13 11:25 AM
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Yes
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:53 AM
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Women are disadvantaged in the workplace, are paid significantly less than men, do the bulk of childcare and domestic work, are the most frequent victims of domestic violence,are subjected to continuous objectification in the media.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:48 AM
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I believe we live in a patriarchy that is damaging to both men and women, but which has many benefits for men. I think that men often don't realise that many of the issues they are concerned by are actually crated by th patriarchy. I believe that in the UK women are a disadvantaged group. I am aware that the use of th word "oppression" is problematic, and choose in this context not to use it.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:44 AM
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Feminism is about equality. Feminists believe that there is still some way to go before women achieve true equality. Hence "feminism"
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:29 AM
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Don't get this one.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:24 AM
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What do you mean? How do you decide which feminists you judge others by?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:24 AM
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I'm sorry, I'm in the UK- I don't know enough to discuss American legislation.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:21 AM
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