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You literally said you had to be narcissistic to commit violence. And then are trying to use a clinical definition that would disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:28 PM
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You don't know anything apparently. Especially when it comes to narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:18 PM
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I'm sorry but you don't have to be narcissistic to commit violence. And the fact that you think it does is very telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:57 PM
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That's you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:56 PM
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Misdiagnosis means they were wrong. Underdiagnosed would mean they missed something that is also there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:41 PM
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No because they don't prevent or hinder socialization. You were completing the two things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:40 PM
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You are conflating antisocial personality disorder and antisocial behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:09 PM
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No that's why I said it's not enough to get that kind of diagnosis. But they are still antisocial behaviors. According to you not sharing would not be classified as antisocial behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:58 PM
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They are antisocial but not enough to get a diagnosis of antisocial behavior disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:41 PM
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Your claims fall apart. You can't make any claims on the numbers of diagnosis when there people being misdiagnosed. And if we remove it from that your claim was that men are more narcissistic and regardless of whether or not you get diagnosed or not you would still be narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:09 PM
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One of her examples shows women getting misdiagnosed with other disorders.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:30 PM
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Your third one explicitly States misdiagnosis in women for other mental disorders.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:30 PM
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The issue is the second one is not about the individual doing the action but how others are going to interpret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:40 PM
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So shyness and not wanting to talk to people is in fact antisocial.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:28 PM
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Being shy and not wanting to talk are antisocial behaviors. Maybe what you're trying to say is that many men have undiagnosed antisocial personality disorder. Which is a collective of antisocial traits that directly cause them some kind of harm in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:22 PM
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Sorry to inform you but those are antisocial behaviors. You don't get to redefine a word.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:12 PM
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I didn't say anything about your logical reasoning being wrong. But just because it's logical doesn't make it right. And I thought you guys were supposed to be the morally correct ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:55 PM
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You're justifying it. That's not projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:30 PM
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So you're okay with collective punishment I get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:16 PM
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Men aren't less sympathetic though. They show their sympathy in ways that are different than women and you're expecting them to show it like women do. If you just want to say narcissist show less sympathy sure that's part of being a narcissist. Once again autism is actually pretty good way to show this issue. The idea that there's an empathy with autistic people has been looked into and it's not the case. The issue is because autistic people show emotions differently than a non-autistic person t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:09 PM
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No but you are saying they are less. And that is not correct. Because of the use of a definition that only looks at extremes and clinical diagnosis. Your points all point to women be just as narcissistic. Going back to violence. We don't define actions taking by men and women the same. We see violence as unprovoked. So when women hits her boyfriend we said what did he do. We don't say look at her being violent. It seems to me you are the person that doesn't want to debate on a debate sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 03:45 PM
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I am. And I am attacking the credibility of the statement with the studis shown. That ultimately says there is a discrepancy based on diagnosing issues and the use of older definitions that we are learning don't fully incorporated the behavior. Having a Instagram full of thirst traps is narcissistic. Believing that showing up to a date is enough is narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 03:32 PM
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It's not a personal disconnect it's looking at the facts. It's the same way of saying that women are less likely to have autism. With a real issue is women aren't diagnosed with autism because they're misdiagnosed with other things. How about making a post that's just about hey narcissist or pieces of shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 03:11 PM
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Violent/volatile [I said violative] behaviors: different things. But we also down play the violence preparated by women especially when it is sexual in nature. Great. So you aren’t being delusional here and trying to say that males don’t in fact over-index on violent and violative behaviors. No one said women don’t or can’t. I am highlighting disproportion and asymmetry. I'm disputing that. Based on definitional differences. You you seem to still bringing in bais. Anonymous accounts could be any…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 03:01 PM
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Just look at the fat acceptance movement tellinh obese women the are 10s.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:50 PM
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Do you have any proof? I see women over value themselves and women all the time. It is the in group bais.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:40 PM
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And what morals are those? That lying is bad. The horror. Edit: see nothing to say. They never have anything to attack the argument with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:38 PM
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Not a troll. Just a person that knows how the read studies and understands impact that religion and cultural biases have on people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:37 PM
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The man would be a four amongst men and the woman would be a four amongst women. That's how you get into the determination that they're both fours. It makes perfect sense. What you're basically saying is that women are a couple points higher then the men they date. But the value is based on their standings of the group.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:29 PM
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Narcissism: I don't think so. But will to look at proof. Violent/violaite behaviors: different things. But we also down play the violence preparated by women especially when it is sexual in nature. Edgelording behavior: is not a medical classification of behaviors. It's just an amorphous word that going to mean whatever you want it to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:25 PM
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You would have to . The attributes that make men and women attractive or different.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:20 PM
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But you have not shown this is more likely in men. That is your bais. This describe many women. Three of my uncles are married to women like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:17 PM
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It definitely is out of the ordinary. What is not is men saying the want to be desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:14 PM
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If we're talking market value-women on average are a solid two levels above That is not how average works. And sure. If an actual woman who's "market value" is 4 is denying a man who's "market value" is 4, then his expectations are realistic and hers are not. This is what the hypothetical is getting at. Not being able to get something and it not being realistic are not the same. Problem is, for one, placing a market value on a human is by no means a legit measurement of anything. Its idiotic if …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:05 PM
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You are making assumptions with no data to back it up. And letting your bais dictate the view.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:59 PM
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"I would argue about your morals, but doesn't matter" You mean my assumed morals. Which is consistent here. Never said it wasn't possible just very unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:56 PM
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Because you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:54 PM
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It is assumed for the hypothetical. Just means slightly below average. What to answer the hypothetical?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:52 PM
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All about individual men. Not as a group. "You’re asking how engaging in domineering, competitive, and self-serving behaviors/mindsets within community or interpersonal relations with others is antisocial?" How are they on their surface antisocial? An extreme presentation of them at times doesn't make them antisocial.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:51 PM
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What if a man promised relationship? I don't think this is happening. Most of the time the woman assumes that a relationship is coming. But if they do in fact promise a relationship ok. What if a man pretended that he liked her when he didn't? Not happening. What if a man didn't do anything for her in sex and he is the only one who got the pleasure? Doesn't matter she still agreed to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:48 PM
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Basically I’m saying that higher androgen exposure may bias some people toward dominance, competition, and self-servingness, which can sometimes reduce mutual consideration, empathy, and cooperation. How are those antisocial? Those are all vague. Your examples are of individuals not men as a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:33 PM
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You didn't though. Treating people poorly or in an antisocial way is vague. So what traits are you actually talking about. Like are you talking about men share less or do less for others. Or are you simply talking about not engaging with others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:22 PM
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So individuals speak for the entire group?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:17 PM
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Yes it is. Because they are all lumded together.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:15 PM
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Your hypothetical is not like mine at all. And the fact you can't see that is telling. Just like the fact you won't engage with the hypothetical. A 4 is a person that is slightly below average. 5 is average and the number up or down are the degrees in which a person deviates from the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:15 PM
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Can you not be vague about what you mean by antisocial traits? By what you describe I see way more women act like that then I have men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:09 PM
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India and Thailand are very conservative countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:02 PM
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Nope you just don't understand a hypotheticals at all. You didn't even present a hypothetical question. You just made a statement. But once again this very much shows your thought process. He refused to believe that anyone other than the man is to blame. You're wrapped into the just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:01 PM
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Yes but they ask people in those countries and those countries are traditional and religious. Because they're traditional religious their views on the question are going to be informed by it. You really need to learn more before you have these kind of conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:59 PM
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I'm sorry that you don't understand hypotheticals but it's baked into the question. Them both being a four is baked into the question. And the fact that he wants another four is baked into the question. And it's used to explore your thought process. And your thought process blames men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:50 PM
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So you know nothing about the countries that were surveyed?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:47 PM
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That's why I asked for that clarification because you're tying two different concepts together. Me becoming a millionaire off YouTube is attainable but it's not a realistic goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:43 PM
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I didn't learn anything there. You provided very bad evidence for your claim. And in fact it proves mine ultimately. That it is Christian / conservative / traditional men that are looking for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:41 PM
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"And if your hypothetical the man 4 couldn't attract the woman 4, which means he wasn't 4." You have to built in assumption that the woman 4 wants a 4. The hypothetical only highlights what the man wants. A very clearly of demonstrated the "blame" shifting that goes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:40 PM
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That's the just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:18 PM
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It doesn't say that it says that 33% of the 28,000 participants that were men agree to that statement. That is inclusive of all countries involved. And three of the countries actually listed out or conservative/traditional and not in the West. You really need to learn to read studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:18 PM
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But that's a different argument. If you're saying there are plenty of men out there you can't get any woman of their standards. That's one argument. Saying men have unrealistic expectations because they struggle in dating. Is another. Which one would you like to debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:17 PM
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And if you look at the data they put all of it together to make their numbers. Maybe you should read studies before you post them. So do you have any actual studies that prove this to be the thing in the West?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:12 PM
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And that is independent of how realistic they are or not. This is a circle and a square type of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:12 PM
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The market has already decided that both people are a 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:10 PM
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So your survey was taken in a bunch of countries that are very conservative or traditional. You have any evidence to back up your claims in the West?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:07 PM
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Realistic would mean they are available. Is really just seems like you're shifting the blame from remember women who have very high standards to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:04 PM
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The market of women disagreed because that person is a four. That is the market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:59 AM
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Expectations and ability to get them are independent of one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:58 AM
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I don't hear men as a group saying that. There are Christian men who are saying that. What you're engaging in is ultimately the Apex fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:57 AM
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Not getting what you want is independent of the the level of realistic something is. By your definition if I'm a four looking to get into a relationship with a four but I can't I have unrealistic expectations. And if that's the case everything falls apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:56 AM
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Good thing no one's actually saying that. This is the straw man I was talking about. It's not unreasonable to want someone who's your looks match to want to date you and Court you in that relationship. To want to build a family with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:54 AM
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Not all men. But you have to remember you can't make monogamy a condition of your relationship then remove intimacy. You do that you're asking to be cheated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:50 AM
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I would not on purpose but if they are triggered because of the normal way I act that is on her
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:43 AM
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This is a stawman. Men have realistic expectations. Women don't like it because it requires them to get off the pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:39 AM
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You stawman all the statements you hear because you don't have any real arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:35 AM
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Yes people use the wrong definitions for words all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:06 PM
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Never said that he was red pill. But he would technically be part of the manosphere. All that term is a loose connection of content for men that advocates for improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 12:40 AM
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I'm sorry that you're wrong but you are. What you're describing is the opposition's definition of the manosphere to paint it in a negative light. They have done that pretty well. That's why I basically no one says yeah I'm part of the manosphere. This would essentially be me defining feminism strictly by using turfs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:24 PM
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Wikipedia is not an accurate source of information. You realize that anybody can change that information at any time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:17 PM
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The menosphere is just a loose collection of content for men with the intention of helping them improve themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:11 PM
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Dr k would be part of the manoshere.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:09 PM
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Kinda sounds like the term simp is meaningless then.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:58 PM
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That would be sexist not a simp
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:43 PM
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No they won't. They will use it as validation of their version. The right thing to do is to ask for clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:56 PM
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I have literally been called a simp for being nice to my female coworkers on this sub. That is not being a simp. I for one want a person to write a dissertation. Then I have the correct information needed to engage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:43 PM
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Op has to provide that information. It's not dodging the prompt.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:32 PM
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I will grant it is perpetuated by both. You can't solo put it on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:27 PM
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Everyone has a different definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:21 PM
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Not really. Women go crazy when men turn them down for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:17 PM
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I agree with the basic idea but I feel like this definition is way too broad. I could get behind with what Op saying with a tighter definition. Like say if I bought a woman friend the birthday gift but they've never given me birthday gifts does that make me a simp?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:59 PM
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So men DO get away with stuff too. No. That is how the office of president works. It also puts a pause on the timer. He was liable for rape and still won 2024. He was civilly convicted of an incident that happened three decades later. Carol should have come forward at the time. The failure to convict him is on her. All you are doing here is proving women are not held accountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:53 PM
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Brushing up the criticism of men to pretend women dont get criticized. I literally criticized a woman in my comment. Any crimes he may have committed in the files can't be brought now. Let's see what happens after midterms. He has to be out of office first.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:28 PM
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Thanks for admitting your list was bs. On Trump, criminally but that is on her for not coming forward back then. Civilly she won her case. So he was held accountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:16 PM
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Can you describe the behaviors of a simp? Without that we can't have this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:58 PM
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Those are the only two that didn't get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:50 PM
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They do it all the time. Biggest example is Rolo getting shit for his tweet about vasectomies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:46 AM
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So it is others problem that you can't communicate clearly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:35 PM
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You could've just asked for clarification and solved this instantly. No need for clarification when what you said was in fact clear. A simple question on your end would've also demonstrated basic social skills, which seems a little funny considering we're on a post claiming men are superior at them. Clear communication is a social skill. And your inability to convey your message clearly shows a lack of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:13 AM
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Still bad faith. Your point has fallen over very long ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 05:40 PM
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It is bad faith. You poisoned the well by calling it an incels movement. Just admit you lost the argument that nothing can be done without violating consent. And by the way debating with a bad faith actor here doesn't take energy. It is an outlet.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 05:13 PM
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There's that bad faith again. You only got that and gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:45 PM
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Definitely is. Just trying to manipulate me into believing I said things I didn't. And the reason she's doing it is all arguments revolve around consent. So she has to change other people's talking points because once you do things that don't require the breaking of consent she has no argument anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:39 PM
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I did answer your question. You don't like the answer because your whole position revolves around the lack of consent. But the making of a social movement that promotes these values destroys your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:37 PM
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I gave you that answer. Nothing I stated violates consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:14 PM
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You want the government to create programs that convince women to date men they currently don't want to date. Nope. I would have said that if I did. Have you not heard of social movements? You want to shame people when you think they are dating people they shouldn't date. Nope. But you should call out people for going against their own goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:08 PM
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My argument doesn't rely on the government at all but you keep adding it in there. That's why it's bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:00 PM
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Never said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:56 PM
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There you go again. Never said anything about the government.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:55 PM
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If you ask them in good faith. Not adding things i did not say. No posing the well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:51 PM
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If I told you my goal was to run a marathon and all I did was sit on the couch eating, you would say my actions are in line with my goals?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:44 PM
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No one is asking for that. The solution is to promote long term monogamous relationships and the promote/show case the things that actually needed for a good relationship instead of what is being promoted now(materialism). Call out people that have preferences that actively go against their stated goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:16 PM
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Nice poisoning of the well
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:46 PM
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It doesn't go without saying. I'm sorry you're upset that words had meaning and that when you say something misandrist you get called out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 11:05 AM
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You did not use a qualifier so means you're talking about the whole group. And you're only said some after your logic got called out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:53 AM
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"Men are more honest on dating apps? What a load of bollocks. They lie more than anyone claiming they want serious relationships when they only actually want a hook up." Where is the word some here?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:37 AM
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That's not what your comment says.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:27 AM
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Have any data to back that up. And let's say it is true. Treating the other 60% that you haven't interacted with like they are in a relationship is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:20 AM
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You're assuming all men on dating apps are liars. So I can assume all women on dating apps or gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:18 AM
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You are in fact changing your position. Because you're using a small percentage to make a determination about the larger group. But when it's done about women you have a problem with that. Here's the thing when you don't use qualifiers you are saying the whole group.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:13 AM
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So now you're changing your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:07 AM
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Yes that is my experience. And by your logic that must mean all women on the dating apps are gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:05 AM
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So then I could say that all the women on dating apps are gold diggers then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:01 AM
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You didn't mention keeping up with their needs, you made an arbitrary decision on what constitutes a competent parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:52 AM
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Neither. My local schools are well funded so not only did we have the normal classes but we had plenty of things like music and and art.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 01:43 AM
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I had multiple teachers starting in elementary school.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 01:00 AM
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Us. And a child is a person under the age of 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:55 AM
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It really doesn't matter what you consider mutilation. What matters is what the authority says is mutilation And the world health organization says it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:02 PM
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Your argument is bad faith because you're assuming one parent is an actual parent and the other one is a husk that just happens to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:42 PM
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It would be type 4
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:41 PM
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There's that bad faith again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:38 PM
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You stay to the parent that doesn't normally do the thing doesn't know how to do it. So you just use bath time as an example. While married parent a always took care of bath time. Now that they're divorced parent b is going to have to do bath time when the child's with them. Do they have to do something they previously didn't do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:08 PM
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I disagree with your framing once again. They're going to have to do things they previously weren't doing. I will agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:59 PM
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Your slacker parent thing seems to be really bad faith. People decide to distribute things differently in their relationships and if it was one parent's main job to take care of the kids in those things the other parent who's not doing those things is not a slacker.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:54 PM
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Maybe do research then, instead of attacking the sub based on a topic you don't know about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:44 PM
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What is that? There are many forms of it. Some are worse than circumcision, some are just as bad, and some are better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:21 PM
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Parental.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:20 PM
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No it is not. You do view it as a competition. And you used an arbitrary metric to take away men's prenatal rights. This is always the answer women give when they apose 50/50 default custody. Comes off very misandrist..
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:53 PM
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No it is not. Why do you see it as a competition?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:31 PM
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That is not the question. It is not a fundamental element of being a competent parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:13 PM
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At least here in US. Male genital mutilation is legal and female is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:30 PM
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That's a false statement. I know of no place where a child only has one teacher every year they're in school. He's created an arbitrary decision point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:05 PM
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The issue is the difference in legality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:34 PM
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I guess it's good that the layperson has no understanding of the issue whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:33 PM
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You said not knowing the teacher's name makes a parent incompetent. That's an arbitrary line.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:21 PM
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So you did go to an arbitrary standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:13 PM
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Not knowing the teacher's name doesn't make you incompetent or say the fact that you don't care about your child. Is an arbitrary thing set up by women to refuse men their rights to be a father. Notice how you didn't go to the child's medical problems, they're friends, their likes are dislikes, I how much time they spend with a child, do they teach or mentor the child. The list of things that actually tell you whether or not someone is a good parent or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:04 AM
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And you realize that mothers are statistically the ones who abuse children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:01 AM
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Yes you have to prove they're in danger. Nothing about 50/50 default puts them in danger. It would not change anything about temporary restraining orders or emergency custody orders. Honestly it just seems like women hate fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:33 AM
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I'm not sure where you're from but that doesn't happen here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:31 AM
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Knowing a teacher's name is not fundamental.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:31 AM
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That's what I'm talking about fighting for the right of 50/50 default custody I am talking about my vision for what should happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:18 AM
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You think I'm ignorant I'm not. You have been in the ability to understand the difference between is and ought statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:09 AM
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You're the one who doesn't know the difference between an is statement and an ought statement. You keep asking me what I'm specifically talking about with my vision of 50/50 default custody. And then come after me for saying well that's not how it's working now. No shit that's not how it's working now. Guess what laws are meant to be changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:08 AM
0

That doesn't proven incompetence. It proves that you've made an arbitrary standard to which people must apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:03 AM
1

You didn't actually ask about the admissibility of evidence at all. I'm also not confusing the two. You ask specifically what I meant my proof and just say it that's what I mean. And once again it completely shows that you're the one bringing up evidentiary standards not me. But you don't understand the difference between a is statement and an ought statement. So come back when you learn the difference between those two and we can have an actual conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:01 AM
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Cool so you know a piece of shit. And because of that one guy all men don't deserve parental rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:52 AM
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And no one saying that the courts couldn't make that decision after being presented evidence. The presumption needs to start with 50/50 and move from there. It doesn't in most places.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:52 AM
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You seem to be very bad at understanding things. You first need to learn the difference between is and ought. It would be 50/50 by statute meaning there is no need to negotiate for 50/50. One party could present another party with an alternative option but before the party's agree to that or go to court to get it finally decided both parents have equal rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:51 AM
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Proving it means beyond A reasonable doubt. Just saying it means preponderance of evidence. You want to take away someone's rights you need to do it beyond the reasonable doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:39 AM
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You're not talking about evidentiary standards here. Ultimate one here the difference is not the ability to present or how that evidence is evaluated. It's the difference between beyond A reasonable doubt and more likely than not. That's not evidentiary standards. Would you like to try again?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:35 AM
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Kind of sounds like I'm no more than you. I'm not the one who brought up evidentiary standards out of nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:30 AM
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50/50 default would be a statue there wouldn't be a need to negotiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:29 AM
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Let's start by actually educating myself on the topic unlike you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:40 AM
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You've proven that you don't actually know what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:39 AM
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The other one who doesn't know. Because there wouldn't need to be any negotiation between the party because it's already set out in statute.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:39 AM
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You should know what evidentiary standards are if you are a lawyer because I never brought them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:38 AM
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I didn't bring up the world health organization you did. I brought up the national organization for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:08 AM
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There is actually not less chance that women will get custody if they fight for it. Most of the time don't have to fight for it cuz it's defaulted to them. Did you know that if a woman leaves and takes the child with her the dad fights for custody in the divorce he'll be told that he can't get 50/50 custody because the child isn't used to that because the mother took the child with her. So now he has to spend years having weekend only visits which they will then use to be like well now the child…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:06 AM
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So they had to fight for custody sounds like a raw deal. They should get it by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:55 AM
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You can ask the court for whatever you want that doesn't mean you're getting it. To get it you need to fight for it which is a custody battle. That's going to cost tens of thousands of dollars. The steps you're talking about is mediation before that and usually that is split between the couple and that's usually a couple thousand dollars a piece. Also shared custody doesn't mean 50/50 it just means you get some time. You're also forgetting about how courts will use the fact that a father hasn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:42 AM
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No it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:36 AM
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You don't know what you're talking about. Default 50/50 does not block any other arrangement. The fact that you believe it does shows that you haven't done any research into this at all. I will gladly continue this discussion once you get educated on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:34 AM
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You don’t think working with actually disadvantaged men in the prison industrial complex a racist sexist system of oppression to escape that trap and live freely and independently is helping men. Real individual men with more autonomy and freedom That is a great thing to do but it is not fighting for their rights. You also don’t understand how default 50/50 custody harms men and boys with abusive mothers and partners. It would be better than it is now. Abusive mothers get custody while fathers g…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:23 AM
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How about you tell me a right you're actually fighting for for men first. We know you're fighting against thier parental rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:09 AM
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Advocating for rights is fighting for rights. Here is one way. The others are supporting others that fight, contacting law makes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:02 AM
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You lost because you are going off topic and using ad hominem attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:00 AM
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The only issue with having to prove someone is abusive is children get killed. So fathers should have no rights because some parents are pieces of shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:58 AM
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Thanks for conceding that you've lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:56 AM
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I fight for men have the right to their children /the right to become a parent or not/ the right of men not to be circumcised. You on the other hand haven't fought for any men's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:51 AM
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You want to shoe horn in oppression so then you can diminish the issues of men. It has nothing but oppression that's all in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:46 AM
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Nice bad faith there. You're not fighting for rights you're teaching men. And two I never said anything about women not doing enough I said feminist. The fact that you equate those two is an issue with your ability to understand language.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:45 AM
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I am a feminist. And I worked with other feminists. I use the best examples I have about feminist fighting for men's rights. Which I have done. No you haven't teaching someone isn't fighting for their rights. I'm not going to bother explaining why mandatory 50/50 is harmful to both parents and kids of all genders. Because you obviously have no interest in reading what I already wrote and projected a bunch of bullshit on top of it. I actually know the system and no this line of questioning is BS …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:34 AM
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Only 4% of fathers ask for custody and of those 4% 90% get the custody they are seeking That is a lie. They get some form of custody but not the custody they ask for. The issue is men never ask for custody of their own children No the issue is they shouldn't have to and the fact that you think it's their fault for not spending tens of thousands of dollars in a process that's most likely going to end up them losing AKA not getting 50/50 instead of just having 50/50 is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:33 AM
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Being against the fault 50/50 is the issue. Shared custody means anytime that a parent has the child that isn't the primary parent it's shared custody. They are actively fighting against men's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:08 AM
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They are against default 50/50. Which, everyone should be. If someone is abusive then 50/50 is not a good set up. I know it might sound crazy but that helps men. Men need that to be able to get full custody even when a mother is clearly abusive Everyone should want default 50/50. Because then it requires a parent to actually prove someone is abusive instead of just saying it. What you're doing is saying men need to pay tens of thousands of dollars to get the same access to their children that wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:06 AM
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That says nothing about oppression. It says women See this as a zero sum game.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:58 PM
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They are against 50/50 custody and are one of the biggest feminist organizations. I am tired of the lie that feminist are fighting for men's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:54 PM
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National organization for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:43 PM
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It is a question. There is no need to bring up oppression then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:40 PM
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So an issue is only an issue if there is oppression?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:35 PM
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Is that way NOW is against 50/50 custody?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:32 PM
3

Thanks for the free win. And proving my side point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:13 PM
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It is interesting that you don't want to prove the thing you stated. You must be lying then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:10 PM
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I will when you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:00 PM
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You just make up claims without providing them. Maybe this is why you don't like the shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:57 PM
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You first. You made the first claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:46 PM
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Yes. You want to provide evidence otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:34 PM
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How does it compare to the percent of n that are like this ? I am assuming you mean men here. It would be the same number.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:21 PM
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Message: public profiles in the area. Book: people that say yes and have the ability to come to the show they are filling.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:20 PM
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The subject doesn't matter. It is the process they fail to go through.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:08 PM
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Mass dms on social media. Sometimes if a woman is a client of a management team they will book them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:07 PM
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I told you in my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:57 PM
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Proof? Not at all how they recruit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:55 PM
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Where did I say they were terrible? They have lots of opinions but haven't done the work to figure out why or if they contradict other opinions they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:54 PM
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That's a very specific number to pull out of absolutely nowhere You made a very specific claim with no proof. Do you not know how media works? I do. And I know how these shows recruit. You going to back up your claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:31 PM
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The women u see on the shows are 85% of women. But do you have proof they target these specific women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:06 PM
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Yes. My views come directly from interaction with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:49 PM
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Do you have proof of this? But that doesn't stop me from meeting plenty of women that are exactly like the ones on the shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:46 PM
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Not a personal attack. Op is projecting the feelings of others unto a person who says hey I am just looking for a chance and my standards are low. Their whole post is that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:23 PM
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The answer is no. There's no guarantee that she'll use her money that she earned for me in any way. If you make money or not it's cheating. Now some people might be okay with that but generally speaking men are not going to be. Now there's some crazy one time offer of like 10 million I'd be like okay yeah in that case go for it but as a job that's 100% no.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:22 PM
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You're doing a whole lot of projecting there bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:05 PM
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Men that are serious aren't going to wait around that long either. We want a relationship and all that comes with it. Not an endless courting session when we get nothing in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:55 AM
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That is the actual definition of the term that I put in.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:05 PM
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You have to define responsive desire to get a real response. Responsive desire is a form of sexual interest that emerges in response to sexual stimulation or context, rather than spontaneously. If you are then yes, but it would not exclude things like hooking up or just seeing a hot man. It just means that throughout the day they don't just get randomly horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:16 PM
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So women don't have the ability but also do because they know those men are bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:09 PM
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You are literally saying socially in a better bed right here. Instead of saying hey this guy's a little socially inept so things might go slightly differently going he's probably going to be a piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:38 AM
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I am not saying that. Women tell men that all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:45 AM
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You clearly don't understand what's actually being discussed. When you judge any person for me mile away you've done none of the things to vet you've just at best seen them once.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 01:34 AM
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She literally brought up socially enough people and then proceeded to list a bunch of things that would make a person a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 01:33 AM
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She said socially inept and then described a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 12:02 AM
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Did you just hire this actor by literally just seeing him once or having a three-word conversation with him? If not that is not analogous to what's being talked about here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:57 PM
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Then why bring them up in a conversation about a statement where women can stop bad men from a mile away?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:55 PM
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But she's not talking about the statement at all that I'm talking about really that's why I'm like she changed it. The idea that women can spot a bad personality / bad man from a mile away entails they have very little to no contact so like we have a couple exchanges here and you immediately go all your complete piece of shit. What you took it at is actually getting to know someone. That takes place down the road past what is being described in that statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:40 PM
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And do you call out the women who say this then?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:46 PM
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What I'm saying is she's already determined they have a chip on their shoulder and are bad men. The evidence for it is social ineptness which has nothing to do with whether or not someone's a good person or not. So her metric is bad and it's filtered through her perception. To know if a person has a chip on their shoulder one has to engage them in good faith. And as we're talking about spotting a person with a bad personality or a bad person from a distance away AKA they are not actively involve…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:45 PM
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It's the thing she did it's right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:43 PM
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And those poor social skills equal bad man. She also equated assholes and socially adept men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:33 PM
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She has changed the point completely. She has to claim the social inept men are bad men. She didn't refute the statement at all. My statement is not a perception but the actual argument women are making.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:15 PM
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You have just given me a post hoc rationalization based entirely on your perception and not fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 09:56 PM
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Nope that's not what they're saying. It's that they can spot negative personalities from a mile away. Starting an accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:52 PM
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And there is a difference between jut not wanting to date a bi man and not waiting to because you believe they are secretly gay or are going to cheat on you with a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:49 PM
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The problem is women tell men they can spot negative personalities from a mile away. You can't have that ability and expect us to feel bad when you choose bad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:29 PM
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You are using it wrong. Friend zone is when you pretend to be a person's friend / there's an possibility down the road that something romantic could happen if they showed you how great of a partner they'd be. You'd use this to extract free things or help from them but never return those types of things to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:27 PM
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when I chose STEM and had to survive in a man-dominated environment where toxic masculanity sometimes runs rampant. Here. Can you described in detail what specific acts of toxic masculinity you ran in to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:45 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:06 PM
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If you use the real definition of friend zone I would agree. But not with your definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:06 PM
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It would be. Women don't date men that don't shower is men if you want a date shower.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:45 PM
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No where was my claim limited to reddit. So you concede the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:40 PM
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I shouldn't listen to women when they talk about what they want.?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:39 PM
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https://medium.com/the-straight-shot/men-shouldnt-be-on-the-dating-scene-if-they-can-t-wash-their-a-7e6676b856bd
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:28 PM
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That is the exact advice given to men that can't get a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:18 PM
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Yes you have to use the correct definition of words. At best you have the person who asked if you're pretty is a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:45 AM
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For it to be victim blaming you must be the victim of something. The only thing you could possibly be a victim of in your example is not getting the attention from men you want. So if you do actually be a victim you have to be entitled to those things for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:20 AM
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So she's entitled to men not being lazy and being interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:11 AM
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How is this victim blaming? A man being lazy or uninterested doesn't make you a victim. The fact that you think it makes you a victim shows your entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:05 AM
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Thank you for proving the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:52 AM
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It's a mix of states. Anyways that's getting off the point here. Women fighting for those men to have rights are being called pick me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:41 PM
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It's not purposeless it shows your thought process. You believe that people's interests are an equal random choice like flipping a coin. It's not. And because of that you ultimately think if you have a split that's larger than one or two standard deviations that it has to be discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:12 PM
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Right now in 30 States if you are not married and you have a child as the father you have no rights to the child whatsoever. No visitation, no say in the raising of the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:03 PM
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Yeah so you don't care about the process you care about the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:01 PM
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So your system results in 99% men in the positions. You are fine with that and it would not be discrimination?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:40 PM
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That was always the question. And you still have not answered it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:31 PM
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The process is what you want to do. You are making that process.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:02 PM
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You could have answered it yourself but you refuse. And your insistence on needing to know if there's discrimination or not when everything being done is what you want to be done shows that you would in fact say it's still discrimination. I can very easily give you the answer to that hypothetical for my position. The answer is no because my system is not reliant on the outcome but the process so it doesn't matter what the split is at the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:44 PM
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You literally just restated what I said. Pick me is a bad example because it's not based upon any actual thing but what you individually don't like. A woman advocating for father's rights is called a pick me. Why because women don't like that she's advocating for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:39 PM
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And you proved my point a third time by refusing to answer the hypothetical. You have an unfalsifiable position. Any split that is large you're going to say is discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:37 PM
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You're the one to determine if there's discrimination or not that's why I can't answer. That is the whole point of the hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:28 PM
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You have once again proven my point thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:16 PM
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It is very simple. Answer the question I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:15 PM
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If we did everything you wanted and still ended up with a split not close to 50/50, would you still say there is discrimination?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:09 PM
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I'm sorry but telling a man that he can't get a date because he obviously is a misogynist when you don't even know him is blaming him. Saying hey when you can't get dates cuz other men are creepy is blaming him for the actions of other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 08:11 PM
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Equity is not equality. Modern day feminist want equity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 08:01 PM
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well, we can't prove it will work, so we'd better do nothing!' Not what I said. Equity can't be achieved without discrimination. Discrimination is bad. Equality is why to strive for. Everyone gets treated the same and let the chips stay where they land. But I noticed you didn't address the hypothetical. Kinda proves my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:53 PM
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You must not spend a lot of time here. It is not the unfairness being complained about. It is the fact men are blamed both individually and collectively for being hit with unfairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:31 PM
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They all have the same flaw. You hold an unfalsifiable position. If we did everything to you wanted but still have way more men you would still say it was discrimination against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:26 PM
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You have not. You are assuming that there is going to be exactly the same number of qualified candidates. And that women are going to win out over the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:58 PM
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What you are failing to grasp is that their autistic traits didn’t really stand out to me at all as anything abnormal or noteworthy because I shared most of those traits myself. I am autistic and I notice autistic traits in others. They don't have to stand out to be noticed. This is like people saying they dated a narcissist but can't tell you about their behavior at an individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:36 PM
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That is not equity. Plus you can only get there though discrimination
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:32 PM
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If you want me to recall specific examples, Yes to prove your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:24 PM
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Ah. I can think of a lot of ways to work towards 50/50 equity among CEOs in the long term that aren't discriminating against men. It can't be done. What would be cool is if women in business had the correct work environments and policies broadly to advance as far as they are capable and interested, without discrimination along the way, so that by the time it's hiring a new CEO time, there were about 50% of the applicant pool who are strong candidates who happen to be women. And if more men are p…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:08 PM
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Social inept is not a trait but a conclusion.so what were the actual traits that they had. You did the same thing for all but special interest. It comes off as a person that tangentially knows of autism but doesn't understand it. And I would assume you'd have a better understanding if you actually dated autistic men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:58 PM
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You have gone very generic here. Can you be more specific? It seems like you just wrote a list of things without knowing how they fit into being autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:46 PM
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A big part of the equity push from feminist is to get more women in jobs like CEOs. They don't want equity in manual labor jobs. Men are more interested in those jobs because they care less about work/life balance. To achieve equity (50/50) they have to discriminate against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:41 PM
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Because there are more men interested in doing those things. Equity is all about discrimination. If you guys were pushing double or triple blind applications for things I would be 100% on board. But you don't want that because it will still result and more men doing the types of jobs you're trying to force women into.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:17 PM
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So you agree then. You want men to vote against their interests. Men did bad things in the past so men today must suffer. No wonder men and boys are not joining your movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:48 PM
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What autistic traits did these men display?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:45 PM
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It is. It pushes for equity. To achieve that you have to discriminate. The group that will be discriminated against is men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:32 PM
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You did. Modern feminism is against men's self interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:21 PM
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What you are saying is to vote against their own self interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:15 PM
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Selection bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 12:21 PM
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I am. You refuse to engage. Have a good night.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 09:36 PM
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If you disagree explain how taking away an extra right woman have, misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 09:17 PM
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I did. You just don't like being called out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 09:08 PM
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Yes and it is flawed. This is because you believe treating women as equals is misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:53 PM
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You don't want to answer the question. Probably because treating women equal can't be misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:29 PM
2

I can't answer these questions because your position is unclear. Are women to be treated as equals or a protected class?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 07:18 PM
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It does. You have described it as wanting to take away reproductive rights from women. That would make them equal to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 07:07 PM
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So do women want to be treated as equals or as a privileged class?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:00 PM
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That's because of control not a bond
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 08:06 PM
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Pick me is a unless term. It just means a woman that says or does things I don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:57 PM
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social bonds enable us to stick together even when we can’t perform at our best otherwise And they break down one people take but don't give.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:42 PM
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That doesn’t take away from the value of the bonds you share with the people you love. No one is saying it does. You can't control the formation of a bond but you can with the terms of a transaction. Advice needs to be actionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:01 PM
2

That bond forms from transactions and stays strong because of transactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:48 PM
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Women are not giving men they find unattractive a chance to banter.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:13 PM
2

It is an attempt to push off blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:09 PM
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You didn't explain how that contradictory at all. In fact you showed that those men would agree to date those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 09:33 AM
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We're talking about an individual holding two positions that are contradictory to each other. You're arguing a completely different thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:00 AM
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That's not showing contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:36 AM
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That seems like a bad definition. Because I could only have one standard and that is all and it would mean I have high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:07 PM
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This may be a semantic argument. What would you define as low, reasonable, high standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:11 PM
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I have met a few of those people in real life but I'm not seeing that here specifically. I will gladly look at any proof you have. Just remember the claim is that men as a whole here are contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:04 PM
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Additionally, try telling a short guy to date fat women and he will have a fit. Have proof? Its pretty obvious you see it on this sub all the time. I see different people making posts about their particular opinion. I don't see people arguing both positions like you're claiming.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:51 PM
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Would you like to provide proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:34 PM
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To be contradictory you have to have the same person hold both those values. I think there are some men here that this would fall onto but most men no. Most men have very low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:32 PM
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I very much understand. It is not hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:24 PM
1

Does the term have to have the same definition
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:23 PM
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One woman also can't tell what average is. On the point of not wanting an average woman. I would 100% want that. Unfortunately they are not looking for average.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 01:22 PM
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No because you use the word kept. That is very important. What you said is he push a boundary once. I told him no. ( These are both fine.) He then proceeded to keep doing the thing you told him not to. ( Making him a piece of shit. ) If you said you don't like him because he pushed a boundary with you. I may think the first but would want to ask a question as to what the boundary was. This is assuming it happened once. If it was a small reason ( like a tap on the shoulder ) it would be a bit of …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:45 PM
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Whereas women see it as a purposefull attempt to get around our established and communicated boundaries I disagree that is pushing a boundary. What I believe we both agree on is that doing that makes you a piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:34 PM
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So, if I don't know a man doesn't like holding hands. And its the 5 or so date and I go to touch his hand, im pushing his boundary even if he explains his boundary afterwards, and I drop the issue and don't make him feel bad about it? Yes. You pushed the boundary. But you handled it correctly by not continuing. So, going for something that may have a boundary is always pushing it no matter what? Yes. We still have societal boundaries. If an individual tells you that something is not a boundary b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:24 PM
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It is the second one. We are all taught basic boundaries as children. Making a move is violating that boundary because it implies that it has not been talked about. What you are describing is an asshole. Not pushing boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:50 PM
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The established boundary is not to put your hands on others and that is also the accepted standard. Nothing here says anything about those things needing to be between two individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:31 PM
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Yall are really trying to change the definition of pushing people's boundaries to like mundane shit like making moves or whatever. You have changed the definition. To be dependent upon a response. Like what is your personal definition of pushing a boundary? The first time breaking of a boundary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:24 PM
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And in normal life we don't ask about boundaries. No one asks if they can tap you on the shoulder, they just do. That is pushing a boundary. What makes them an asshole or not is if they do it again or not. You are talking about not taking a no answer. That is different than pushing a boundary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:52 PM
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You don't know a boundary until they say no to something. That boundary exists independently of your knowledge. You are conflating a person not caring about a boundary and the act of pushing one. We all push boundaries all day. What separates us is do we respect those boundaries. One you push a boundary and are told no and you continue you are a piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:37 PM
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That person doesn't know. Making a move is pushing a boundary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:29 AM
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They are the same thing. The act you are doing is pushing the boundary. Their reaction to it doesn't change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:26 AM
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Yes. My goal is to build a life together and those are the things you need. I won't claim all or most men would but I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:19 AM
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The things I listed make a woman attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:38 AM
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Nice bad faith display.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:04 AM
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I have never asked about the article or talked about it. You believe that equity hurts women and that men don't deserve the same protections. So answer. Stop moving the goal posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:00 AM
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I am asking specifically you how a gender neutral law hurts women. Not what the article says. You need to defend your position. Go ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:57 PM
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Tell me how making the law gender neutral hurts women? You can't because it doesn't. That doesn't severely harm women that report.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:48 PM
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You've acknowledged yourself that enforcement of it would be corrupt, how is that sexist? I didn't say that. I said it could be correct but that is separate from the law itself. But you have not said it is rape. A woman forcing a man or boy to have sex is rape. And if you can't agree to that you are sexist. I mean, besides corruption using the law to silence women? How? And how does that make it the law and not the enforcement?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:19 PM
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It is rape. And needs to count as such. Anything else is sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:05 PM
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It does say that by saying that the only thing that counts as rape is the forcible penetration of someone it's saying that male victims of women don't count thus male victims don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 06:23 PM
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They law says they don't count. But you are not calling that out. It is only about how it effects women to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 06:02 PM
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The male ones that don't count. That is the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:44 PM
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Then said it. You have not. You deflected to women and then said you didn't know enough to have an opinion. You are acting in bad faith. I care about all rape victims and the law needs to be neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:31 PM
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Great, then we can dispense with bad faith arguments about not caring about people of any gender being raped. Except I am the only one that has shown they cared. You deflected showing you don't. That's the same thing. A law only matters if it's enforced. It is not. The law and the enforcement are different. And they require different solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:18 PM
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The same type of person I am looking for now. They: Openly communicate Gives me free space Has a job Willing to work together on shared goals Wants a family Considerate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:47 PM
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Well I can tell you in the US rape is defined by forcible penetration, mean women can't rape men( for the most part). Making the large gender-neutral is better for everyone. I very much care about women and girls being raped. That is why I want better testing rates, more push to go to the police and the charging of people that knowingly file false rape claim. In terms of India. The law being gender neutral does not hurt women at all. The enforcement of it could be. But that is a problem of corru…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:40 PM
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You dodged my question first I will happily answer your first question and this question after you answer mine you were trying to derail this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:24 PM
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So you don't care about bot and men that are being raped? Not hard to answer the question I posed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:22 PM
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I read that to mean because they are fighting the law they want that. It that the actually are saying they want to rape children. Would you at least agree the law needs to be changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:10 PM
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This doesn't say anywhere that boys should be raped. That is not what the op said. They said it is not considered rape if a woman rapes a male child.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:02 PM
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/compliment Learn what a compliment is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:14 PM
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It is. You are also displaying the tendency we have to remember the negative experiences and forgetting the neutral or positive ones. The chances of that happening are small unless you start with the names calling.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:55 PM
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I think you're attractive and or interesting enough to be around that's the compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 10:31 AM
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You can look it up. The fact that you believe that someone making the decision not to report is the same as the law fundamentally not covering you tells me you're not worth the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 10:15 AM
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Sorry but those numbers are the self-reported numbers not crime stats. So them being unreported to police means nothing. Maybe you should work on your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 10:05 AM
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Only because the definition of rape precludes them from the crime. If we look at the main who penetrate stats it's pretty close.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:56 AM
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You have any articles on this? I have not seen anything on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:52 AM
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until I proved that men here conflate dehumanizing women with normal male behavior. You don't prove this at all. You made the claim and didn't provide evidence of this but that you change what people say to fit your beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:11 PM
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It was about men laying about wanting relationships and you changed that to something else. In the op you brought it up and the last two were critical if you because not your post history.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:41 PM
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That has not proven your point but mine. Your lens makes you believe otherwise. The last two are not even on the topic but calling you out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:28 PM
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And they could have quell it by killing the dissenters and kept their power.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:14 PM
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Last line of you first response "we got here because it is better for men".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:46 PM
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You don't provide evidence of people saying the things you say they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:34 PM
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They in fact have not been. You are just wrong here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:30 PM
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Show someone saying those words.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:22 PM
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Importantly, men haven't lost much. You changed your argument. You said it got better for men. You have shown it got better for women/ better in general. How has it gotten better specifically for men. You are you just going to concede.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:18 PM
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This is all your perception of what they are saying though how you see the world, not what they are actually saying. If this is what they are actually saying it should be easy for you to provide but you never do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:09 PM
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All your posts about men lying about wanting a relationships. All of your points are derived from your point of view that sees the world through your lens.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:47 PM
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It will basically always harm others. The problem is you're choosing a solution that actively harms a person. Maybe in areas like food assistance and stuff in that realm can be okay to use an equity-based model. Because the money for that is already baked into the money you give for taxes as it is so you're not causing any harm or additional harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:46 PM
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The difference is the free porn is just enticing you with here is some pron. It is not saying you can talk to and build a relationship with me that includes a sexual component.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:30 PM
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The result of that is a high suicide rate among wives, a high rate of "accidental death" among husbands, prevalence of DIY terminations (to lessen the amount of leverage an abusive husband could have), lots of self-medicating, free reign to cheat and abuse as long as it can't be proven in court, guaranteed lifelong domestic labor, guaranteed sexual release (marital SA wasn't recognized till later), and escalating protests/demonstrations, including refusal to do domestic labor, economic disruptio…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:08 PM
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Only covert narcissism is this post. Everything has to be through your lens.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:36 PM
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The person trying to sell you a holiday home isn't tending to engage with a romantic / sexual relationship with you. This is what many only fans creators are doing because it's what keeps them having customers. It is what distinguishes them from free pron. Just the fact that they have a chatting service chat to their customers instead of them themselves communicating is a huge issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:10 PM
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Sorry but you are wrong it is not better for men. It dismantled the power they had, both as a group and on an individual level. It was in fact that enough men had empathy for women that it changed. It was the morally right thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:08 PM
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Equity is discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:57 PM
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Empathy is what makes you listen to their arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:57 AM
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So now you are dropping the why part? You used and.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:23 AM
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How is pretending to be your friend/some with might start sexual relationship with you not worse then a person giving you shit advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:28 AM
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Worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:20 AM
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The only fan girls are pretending it's real. The red pill gurus are pretending to be your friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:15 AM
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No but these things are just as bad. If you look at only fans, they're pushing relationships with their subscribers but instead of building a relationship with the only fans model it is just a random person typing for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:08 AM
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It is in fact helped you. It's actually the only reason you as a woman have rights. Societies in this world that don't have empathy for women don't give those women rights just look at the Taliban.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:04 AM
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The issue isn't necessarily you proving it but that people tend to have empathy for their perception of a problem not the actual problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:02 AM
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Empathy is the ability to understand how someone else feels and why. The problem is two fold. You deny why they feel that way. And because of that you can't understand. You at best understand your perspective of their situation. Basically you're empathizing with your own lens not them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:59 AM
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Expecting sex is in fact a standard. The issue is expecting it for a particular person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:26 AM
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Relationships are built on the trading of comparable goods of unequal value. It is a holistic evaluation not a line for line.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:50 PM
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This is where you're wrong. You were tweeting all the things you're willing to give for the things you want. That is how a trade works.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:51 PM
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So show how to do something and you take away all the means in which to do it. Social pressure is the correct way. You socially pressure women to stop the pushing of traditional role on to men. So ask when have your friends taken a man on a date, buy him gifts, not describe a man based upon his wallet. And if they are not meeting these things call them out for being bad partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:08 PM
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About implied and inferred
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:58 PM
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So you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:55 PM
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Those two are in fact not the same thing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:49 PM
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That's not being implied that's being inferred.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:45 PM
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No it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:41 PM
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Where are they being manipulative. Plus asking questions to get to know a partner a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:36 PM
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They are. What the want has changed over time but to you that is lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:58 PM
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So you've now moved it from lying in general to lying in relationships specifically to get the answer you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:54 PM
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I am not because people articulate themselves correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:54 PM
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At about the same rate as women. Should we just assume women are lying as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:18 PM
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So back to you believing all men are lying and can't change how they feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:12 PM
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You have proved the point. You take a conversation on a debate sub as if this is how they act in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:06 PM
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So you are making up interaction in your mind because you can't separate a debate here and how people interact in person. Time to do some self reflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:00 PM
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Idioms require a hyperbolic statement that doesn't work in reality. Like raining cats and dogs. Sorry people using language wrong doesn't change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:54 PM
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Sure but that is not what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:51 PM
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They can't answer the question because they know it destroys thier position.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:31 PM
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Asking or even that statement is not coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:18 PM
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How are the people here doing the specific thing you are claiming they are doing? Preferably with examples. You have not provided evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:13 PM
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And we're not talking about dictionary definitions, we're talking about how the words are used in the popular lexicon. The definition is the definition. You are not using the definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:11 PM
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How are they forcing them then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:57 PM
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No and I have not seen anyone saying to force people to do sex acts they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:35 PM
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Where are they doing this? They are having a conversation about what they expect in a relationship. No one is saying to force people to do things they don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:12 PM
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You have to do the clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:09 PM
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/good You have to use the correct definitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:42 PM
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They can ask that question. The people pounding it are having a conversation in a place like this that tells them they are wrong to want that thing in the first place. Not when talking to a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:40 PM
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Being good and morally positive is not the same. You have to specify that you are talking morally. Clear communication from you is required.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:37 PM
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Both the nice and kind thing is to not tell them. The honest thing is to tell them. The second makes you a better friend. You are conflating being nice in an individual moment and being a net positive morally.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:28 PM
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/nice Wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:15 PM
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She means men can't change what they want or they are lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:52 PM
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Those men can be upset and decide the relationship is over. You want them to stay in the relationship just because. That is entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:47 PM
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So now the title is not a joke. Anyway you said they don't want a relationship. They do but having sex is a condition of that. Sorry you don't know how relationships work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:45 PM
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This post. If sex is important to a man, he is lying about wanting a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:13 PM
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You are primed to think men are lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:08 PM
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A lot of women decide to say men were hiding things when that man's feelings on something changes. Because apparently he can have changed what he thought he always had those thoughts right from the beginning but lied about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:56 AM
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As long as you aren't purposely hiding something sure And you are the arbiter of if something is being hidden. Just an excuse used to make the other party the bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:49 AM
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It is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:47 AM
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So because you are losing the argument it is now a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:43 AM
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What things?? It doesn't matter. The point of these conversation is if you are not going to provide the other party with what they want they don't have to give you what you want. State what you want before you get in a relationship. One: things can change. You are not locked into what you want. Two: these things should be clearly articulated, some lots of women have trouble with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:42 AM
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You is saying you should? The point is I want these things in a relationship if a woman will not provide them I will not have a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:26 AM
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The primary purpose of any interaction I have with anyone is me getting what I want and in return I will provide whatever the other side of the interaction wants. That sounds kinda bad ngl 🤣 You just want things with no effort. It is even evident in your flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:24 AM
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This post reeks of entitlement. The basic premise comes down to men are not allowed to have any standards in the relationship at all. They must just take what they get and that's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:18 AM
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And men don't owe women relationships. Your post is useless. It is a negotiation between two parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:45 PM
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So you are agreeing that women do push the traditional male gender role onto men but it is ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:23 PM
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Most women still expect a man to make the first move, defend them when in trouble, pay for dates, do most ( if not all) courting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:00 PM
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It is almost like they are tired of the one relationships women have been pushing. Still expect men to do the traditional role but refusing the traditional role themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:50 PM
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I agree. But in he context of abortion, it is always women can choose after sex and men should have used protection or not have sex if they didn't want kids. They she should have used protection is not seen as a valid point against women choice to be a parent or not. But is valid for men, it has to be valid for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:13 PM
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It is a hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:01 PM
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Men can't make the choice about how to handle a pregnancy unless they are themselves pregnant, but they can make the choices that involve their own actions, yes. Absolutely. So they are not afforded the same rights to determine if they want to be a parent. So we violate their bodily autonomy. I'll need you to walk me through your thought process on this, because I don't understand your meaning. Pregnancy is the consequence. Their decision that involves bodily autonomy is in fact having sex. Beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:40 AM
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It is, though. It is merely a 'sanctioned' violation. The aggressor made the choice to violate the victims. The victim is not violating the aggressors You can. These options are all things that happen as a result of the first choice, that would not have happened otherwise. There is no requirement that consequences must be bad or undesirable. The process of actions leading to consequences is neutral. So then men can make that same choice then? I don't think you know what consequences are. You hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 11:41 PM
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No, self-defense is certainly relevant here. The results of any decision are myriad and include many possibilities that do not come to pass. The actions of the person acting in self-defense are also a decision, not a direct reaction to the first action that occurs without any further input from human actors. The question here is if it's a violation of bodily autonomy and it's not. Yes, they had bodily autonomy in regards to whether or not to have sex, and they also have bodily autonomy in regard…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 10:50 PM
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For example, people have a right not to be killed by other people, but most people agree that the principle of self-defense overrides that right in certain circumstances. It would not be the principal of self defense but the results of your own decisions. The main point on which the question of being forced to pay child support hangs is: does the right of a living child to be financially supported by their parent override the right of the parental individual to self-determination? But that is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 09:25 PM
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Your argument has been logically defeated so you are resorting to ad hominem attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:17 PM
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Because you aren't using the concept right.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:04 PM
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It is still a violation of the principal. Do you have an actual rebuttal of my logical steps?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 05:42 PM
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I am the one using the definition. You have refined it to make whatever agreement you are trying to convey. A person to work means using their body. If you don't pay you go to jail, so we have government interference. So child support for a child you never consented to is a violation of bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:39 PM
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That is you. It is very clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:18 PM
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Bodily autonomy is the fundamental human right to self-determination over one’s own body, enabling individuals to make decisions about their health, sexuality, and future without coercion, violence, or state interference. Learn the definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:58 PM
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It is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:42 PM
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Then you would be ok with men not paying for child support for kids they didn't agree to having.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 02:02 PM
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Then the woman should not have sex without protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 09:43 AM
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You still don't actually believe in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 09:43 AM
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I think in the context of bodily autonomy 'life' is specifically about physically being alive, not all freedom to live life in whatever way one decides. You are wrong. I'm actually not trying to be difficult or contrarian, but having a specific term to talk about self-determinism over one's own physical body, separate from self-determinism that has to do with one's actions or behaviors, seems to be the main point of the term in the first place. Nope. His thing you've narrowed the definition. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 12:39 AM
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It is tied in and you don't believe in bodily anatomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 11:34 PM
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Pregnancy is a known risk of sex So abortion should be illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:23 PM
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The irony is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:21 PM
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Bodily autonomy is the fundamental human right to make independent decisions about one's own body, health, and life, free from coercion, violence, or government interference.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:56 PM
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Bodily autonomy isn't really about what things you might do (by moving your body around in and interacting with the world) You just changed the definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:51 PM
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It has always been subjective. y’all can claim any man is high value in order to validate your claim that women only choose high value men I don't know who y'all is. I would say tht lots are women are not picking high value men because I believe they are picking based on materialistic things and not the things that matter. That doesn't change the fact that she( in her subjective opinion) has picked a high value individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:03 PM
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Them needing two different sets of values is not in fact subjective it's an objective measure. Because if they were the exact same we wouldn't have different categories. And because the relationship have sex with is a smaller category than friends generally speaking it would objectively mean those requirements are higher. What those actual requirements for both being is going to be completely subjective to the individual. The two things you're seemingly having an issue with is the concept of val…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:48 PM
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Yes the high value/league someone's in is determined not by an objective standard but I subjective one of the individual that is doing the evaluation. Women generally speaking are not going to sleep with men they deem to be in the lower end of the evaluation. The times they will is going to generally be because they one engaging sex work or two they are trying to get something out of this man. In the story listen presented the person was neither of those things. So they determined this person wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:39 PM
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Leggings and like are all subjective measures based on the individual person putting them there. Value itself does not have a universal, only in the abstract concept that value exists is universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:06 PM
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I have never believed that it's been been an objective measure of what high value is or isn't. Value because of its nature is always subjective. If you had a billion dollars $20 is not going to be that valuable to you. But if you have $0 $20 becomes pretty valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:05 PM
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Unless they're paying for it or the woman is using them men have to show some level of being high value to get a chance to have sex with them. Aren't out here just throwing pussy at low volume men. It's unfortunate that when they deem to be high value tends to be more materialistic most of the time versus things that actually matter but that's a different question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:04 PM
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Value is in the eye of the beholder. So at the time you had sex with him you found him to be high value. He lied about that value.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:50 PM
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So throughout that year he showed you he was high value in that high League. If you didn't believe he was you wouldn't have slept with him. Being in a high League or high value doesn't mean you're a good person. It should but it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:26 PM
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Only men from a high league are going to get that chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 03:46 PM
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Dude, holding men accountable and victim blame is different things. Agree. Op victim blames.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 07:47 AM
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So does that mean you're not a good woman because you victim blame men all the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:39 AM
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You forgot men bad women good.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:36 AM
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You're very bad faith. You clearly don't even know what limited argument you even made in the original comment is. You should get a refund from that University. And by the way you're the only person not debating anything, you refuse because you know you don't have any actual evidence. If you actually wanted to debate and show your good faith then show me evidence the men are below average attractiveness that changed their personality and have an easier time dating. And the other perspective thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 01:08 AM
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I can very easily. It is not a refusal to accept outside perspectives. It is that outside perspectives don't provide any evidence that they are in fact reality. Just like you here have not provided any evidence whatsoever. So here I was giving you a chance to provide that evidence, so that I can evaluate it and see if it makes more sense and has better statistical significance. But instead of taking that chance. You decided to accuse me of trying to get you to dox yourself. Seems very clear to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 11:32 PM
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You didn't make an argument. You said you published a paper. I never asked for the paper. You are here in bad faith. Edit: replied asking what proof I wanted and then blocked me so I can't respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:07 PM
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I am looking for your proof. Just like op. You have provided no proof for any claims. If you want to debate, you need to provide that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:43 PM
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Not that hard. Give them alone time. Don't argue passive aggressively Be straight forward in communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:20 PM
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You have to provide proof. Just disagreement doesn't make you right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:15 PM
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Then you should easily be able to provide examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:14 PM
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The good girl is the ideal. But we all don't get the ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:28 PM
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we can make an educated guess that it's mostly men assaulting men. Only when you go by the sexist definition of rape. but it isn't as you claimed with women raping one in nine men. My claim is that the majority of that number ( made to penetrate) is by women. Most man on man rape is in prison. And they are not forcing men to penetrate them. Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:07 PM
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Would that be counted as rape by them or assault by penetration? Rape. Do you think it's realistic that women with dildos would be making up a high proportion of rapes with female victims? I believe that is a small part of them but not the majority. But here I am using your logic. It doesn't state that it is not happening. You clearly have different standards in regards to rape between Men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:52 PM
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They use the federal definition. All those women could have been raped by a woman using a dildo on them. You seem to have two different sets of rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 02:30 PM
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For Court yes. But if a man tells a person they were falsely accused of rape source the believe them like when women say they were raped? Prosecuting people for false claims needs to happen but most likely will never happen. They are too worried that it will cause women not to come forward. But the people who should want false accusations to be charged the most should be women who were raped. Because the more women get away with falsely accusing men of rape less likely their story is going to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 01:07 PM
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If you are already dating someone you are not on the dating market. Those women are already in a relationship. They are the high value women. Just like the real high value men are not on the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:39 PM
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Women don't quite have the equipment for that So only men rape. Have a good day sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:02 PM
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No. I said it uses the sexist definition. That definition is centered around being penetrated. So all those women could be raped by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:10 AM
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So then we can say that is could be woman raping the woman. It just says they experience it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 10:43 AM
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That is the current date. Sorry it is women. The number for men is under the rape section because the CDC is using the sexist definition of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 10:22 AM
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https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/documentation/nisvsReportonSexualViolence.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 10:11 AM
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You were.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 10:05 AM
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That 1/9 is by women that is the stat for made to penetrate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 10:03 AM
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but at least now you have a blueprint, I don't have a blue print. I am just stumbled around in the dark.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 02:43 AM
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Right now it is 1/6 women and 1/9 men that experience rape or attempted rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 01:19 AM
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Those are not the same thing. But you have once again proved me right.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:12 PM
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What does that have to do with my post? Your underling attitude towards men wanting this. Because those are the ones the redpill actually pays attention to. No. It is because the woman not like this are not on the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 10:11 PM
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That seems to be most women in the dating market. Also sorry that men want women that desire them and show it. This seems more like you are trying to drag other women down because you refuse to step up your game.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:27 PM
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You used it as an argument for why autistic people don't want relationships. Asexuality is not about not wanting to have relationships but your relationship to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:59 PM
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You don't even know what asexual means.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:52 PM
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The issue is I can't find many that live around me that are not a lot further down the spectrum. So it is hard to get things going. So I am stuck with what I got. And it feels like dating is impossible as an autistic man. Still held to the masculine stands ( which I fit a bit but not a lot) on top of trying to read social cues and determine if a person means what they say or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:44 PM
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Not worth explaining if you can't get the basic one down. You want to gate keep this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:39 PM
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Keep on proving me right.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:25 PM
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Because that is where the science is. But you don't keep up with any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:19 PM
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If my social life was better, work would not be so draining. And the second you don't mask you ( at least with me) you are the biggest asshole ever. Good forbid I don't prioritize others comfort 100% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:16 PM
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No it is not. It is ASD. You proved me right.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:07 PM
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For starters your use of Asperger's
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:00 PM
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Basically anything that has come out about autism in the last few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:53 PM
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The issue is I am very high functioning. So I have a full time job. It feels like I am the case that falls through the cracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:52 PM
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You don't know what it is clearly by your responses. I have to do all my own research just to get a referral to a therapist. The doctor just wanted to put me on meds.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:40 PM
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We will see. I am hoping that getting the diagnosis will open up resources. I can't find a therapist that can actually help me. The one I just left was telling me to just go hang out in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:38 PM
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Trying to explain to people is hard. They have a very narrow idea of what autism is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:03 PM
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Women get divorced all the time because they are bored.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:56 PM
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No it is not. That is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:28 PM
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u are the person saying there's a magic solution Thanks for showing you are not good faith. Have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:11 PM
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Think about it. You want an autistic person to describe in detail social skill training. I know what schools teach. Going thought it, have friends with kids, and friends that teach.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 07:43 PM
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Being from the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 07:08 PM
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Social skills interventions are usually done in schools, including American ones, for free. They are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:54 PM
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What precisely do you think should be taught, as social skills interventions are already popular for autistic people but don't automatically place them in romantic relationships? Those are rare and very expensive. You don't seem to know anything about autism when it comes to the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:45 PM
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Quite a few autistic people just don't see a relationship as worth the sacrifice or wouldn't put effort into finding one That doesn't mean they don't want one. although, as finding a relationship isn't a matter of following rules for a guaranteed reward, I must again ask what you think should be taught to autistic people (and when and by whom and with what funding). You have to teach autistic people the concepts of social interactions and behaviors. Be as it may that you'd consider most to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 05:28 PM
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therapists especially love to bring it up in random cases even though they can't diagnose This is not the case( at least as an adult). Getting a therapist to even agree to look into the possibility of you being autistic is a fight. Surely there are issues with autistic people not wanting relationships due to differing sensory needs or not wanting to be around other people as much (they're also significantly more likely to be asexual). Autism doesn't present in the same way for everyone. Those do…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:49 PM
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Are you autistic? I am 95% sure. I have preliminary diagnosis from a therapist and I have an evaluation coming up this month for a definitive diagnosis. Why do you think it is the case? If you are asking why I think I have it. It is because I have a very hard time reading social cues, I take what people say literally, and it is have to form and maintain relationships. If you are asking about the low number of autistic men in relationships. Because you are not taught how to build and have a roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 03:40 PM
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Massive effects. Only about a third of autistic men have had a relationship and only 10% get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:23 PM
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Yup. It will always lead back to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:18 PM
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You did in fact moralize his lack of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:15 PM
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Don't know why OP is spending this much time and effort insisting they have the right to opt out of being a good influence on their peers Not what they said.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:31 PM
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So two wrongs make a right. That makes you morally bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:42 PM
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:27 PM
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It is 100% seen as a moral failing to not be able to get a date. The whole world isn’t going to get mad at you if you can’t get a date. This is moving the goal post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:03 PM
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That is literally the topic you presented.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:59 PM
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I mean it's not a moral failure to not share my interests. Unfortunately most people see it as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:10 PM
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Dates and gifts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:29 AM
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Real accountability right here. Run away when called out. Have a good day without taking accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 07:35 PM
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It is not pointless. It is highlighting how you have conducted yourself here. Still have not taken accountability for mistating (at best) what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 07:18 PM
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You don't want accountability because you seem to think if you are not watching a person 100% of the time you can't make a determination on if they are taking accountability or not. You show you don't want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:39 PM
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You don't want accountability. That is why you keep ignoring when I say how. Way to fight the stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:20 PM
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That is the answer. Most of the women I know never admit they were wrong. That is why they are not friends. The ones that are showing accountability every day. In an argument with their partner. They will says things like I was passive aggressive, I went right to yelling, I didn't let them talk. And seeing these things they apologize and have a grown up conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 05:45 PM
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You live it. When you talk about dating you don't frame it as everyone else's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 05:25 PM
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Most women seem to want to do no work in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:56 PM
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So men without jobs can't also look for girlfriends? Yes you were, especially if you knew him and thought we might get along. Just like the comment. I know he is single, no job, and is obese. We are not adding information.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:43 PM
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So if you were single and I suggested to you a obese man with no job, you would say I was being helpful?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:33 PM
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When did I say that? It is not helpful, they ( and you) want credit without the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:26 PM
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Yes. And admitting you are picking the wrong people is taking accountability. So how and who you choose is part of accountability. Sorry you don't like accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:12 PM
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She would ask so if she ran into one that was looking she could make the suggestion. That is helpful not randomly suggesting a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 04:08 PM
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And you who pick plays into accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:36 PM
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That same thing is told to men. He must have done something to make her cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:19 PM
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That is not the theory. It is just that there is a sexual strategy of getting close to a woman without telling her you want sex until there is a moment of vulnerability. And then you slip in. Male feminist are trying to get laid. Just not by you. With any strategy you are going to cut off part of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:13 PM
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Randomly suggesting a person is not helpful. Let's focus on her not him. If she wanted to be helpful in getting him a relationship she would have asked questions including the type of person he is looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:02 PM
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How is she being helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 01:33 PM
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They do because they constantly complain about the advice men do seek and get.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:09 PM
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If I am complaining about the actions women take I can't be misogynistic by that definition. Sleeping around. Sleeping with Chad. Gold digger. Not putting effort into relationships. Hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:39 PM
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They don't you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:18 PM
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"Misogyny" - dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. So by that definition there is little misogyny here. Because it separates actions from the class of women. Most of the things here is push back against actions. "Good men" - in this case men, who follow what considered morally good in that society. Specifically in my post the accent should be not being misogynistic, think that women are people that deserve the same respect as other humans, equal rights and so on. That i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:15 PM
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That doesn't show interest. Thy is why you are getting ghosted.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:03 PM
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So the same way women act here but bad because men. You used words I would like you to tell us how you define them. Misogyny Good men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 02:38 PM
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What are you doing to show you are interested? This is the issue that many women don't do anything and expect a man to treat them like royalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 02:50 AM
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That is the experience of a man. I have been trying for 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 04:38 AM
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Only once and you are done. I would have stopped 20 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 04:26 AM
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Elo (often stylized as ELO, but correctly named after its creator Arpad Elo) is a mathematical system used to calculate the relative skill levels of players in competitor-vs-competitor games. It is widely used in chess, esports, and sports to rank players and ensure balanced matchmaking. They all have it. Higher ELO gets shown often. Lower ELO gets hidden. And what they track is how much an account is swiped on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 04:22 AM
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Dating apps have ELO. It will push the top profiles to you. Lot of men are stopping using them. The other issue is the men you are picking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:56 AM
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She is a bitch, using drugs, smokes, looks to be materialistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:35 AM
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Well your opinion is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 11:14 PM
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And where is your data? The other part was is that for the 10% percent it's still a monetary investment regardless of what the other 90% does. We are talking about the general trend not the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 10:51 PM
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10 percent is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 10:24 PM
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Then you don't know how percentages work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 10:17 PM
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I don't even mind paying but if we were not friends first it is going to be a coffee type date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 09:57 PM
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The researchers found that young men paid for all or most of the dates around 90% of the time, while women paid only about 2% (they split the cost around 8% of the time). On subsequent dates, splitting the check was more common, though men still paid a majority of the time while women rarely did. Nearly 80% of men expected that they would pay on the first date, while just over half of women (55%) expected men to pay. https://www.pressdemocrat.com/2024/02/11/for-gen-z-an-age-old-question-who-pays…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 09:17 PM
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That is very rare especially at the beginning of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 08:46 PM
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They don't pay so it is not. Things to make yourself attractive don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 07:18 PM
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When you're making the claim that it doesn't cost me money to go on dates, you should know that information. Even with splitting becoming more common it is still not the norm. The norm is the man pays for the date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 05:04 PM
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How many women are out there paying for dates? Not splitting but paying the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 04:40 PM
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Then why use it as examples when discussing men not being able to complain?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 12:30 AM
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Just going to avoid you believing men asking for help is complaining?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:55 PM
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They get offended and tell you, you are not entitled to sex. The big issue here is you think a man asking for advice is complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:07 PM
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That was not complaining. That was asking for advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:00 PM
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The thing is none of those are complaining about lack of sex. So in fact men can't complain about lack of sex. Thank you for proving the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:48 PM
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One what about single men. Two that is not complaining about lack of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:12 PM
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You put zero effort into it. I asked for effort but you refuse to give examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:06 PM
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You can do both very easily. This is just a way to shame man for having emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:51 PM
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There is that projection again. Thank you have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:47 PM
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that may be, but also you might just not see that you do it exactly like that with blame and attack. Sounds like blaming men for having feelings and projection. it's easy to see. People who do something write differently, momentary weakness is also seen, and it's easy to see pity party. Sounds like you made up criteria to not be wrong. Can you show an example where you would say this person is working on it and this one is not?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:58 PM
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2) it's okay to complain about any lack of sex.....so long as you don't blame women and demand for them to fix that. Or attack them for being so "shallow" to not want you. Too bad no matter how you do it, it will always be taken this way. 3) as someone here said people don't like lots of complaint from people who do nothing to solve their issues. Pity parties are irritating no matter the gender and the reason, i'm not there to provide pity. I assume not many want to. Cry about your issues if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:26 PM
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You do realize you don't just meet a woman for the, ahem, first time on a third date, right? Once again never said that. Okay, and if you date someone you've never dated before, what number dates are "one or two" dates? 10 to 20 dates and depending on things like length of dates, frequency of dates, how you knew the person beforehand if at all, and conversations in between dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:53 AM
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When did I say it was the first or second date? I just said one or two dates you're the one trying to gaslight like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:35 PM
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You're making the positive claim and refusing to provide evidence. So it sounds like it's not true to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 07:06 PM
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Then it is going to be easy for you to provide me with a link to the authority on feminism where it has this position laid out. The person making the positive claim is the one responsible for giving the information.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 06:42 PM
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You're getting downvoted because you're not actually reading what I wrote. I never said in the first few days you need to do this. You're just making that up. My position has always been that it shouldn't be the first few dates. The person who lost the debate is you because you can't even articulate what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:35 PM
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Because that's not the conversation we're having you're trying to change it to that because you know it is brought up specifically to diminish male experiences and to victim blame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:32 PM
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It is used to blame the victim plain and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:56 PM
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No when men talk about how they're actually more likely to be the victim of violent crime, to then say yeah but it's men doing it. Is to discredit men suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:22 PM
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Once again you are putting your feelings into things because being viscerally attractive and attracted to someone still means you're attracted to them. Very clearly it's about temperament. You know moving the gold post because your argument is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:56 PM
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Feelings projection is what men are doing when they tell women to choose better. Because if it were serious, they would say stuff like “choose better among men you find attractive” instead of “give average guys a chance.” So already we know it is not about women choosing better, it’s about them not being chosen. You are projecting right here. Because the advice of give average guys a chance is not choose better so your feelings are the same but they are not. Also choose better has never been abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:44 PM
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I'm worried about the poisonous of a snake, I would learn how to tell a poisonous snake from a regular snake. But also once again this is the issue we come up here you're not addressing the actual issue. Your diminishing the feeling of men have for the fear their safety because other men are doing it. You're essentially blaming the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:41 PM
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And where's the proof that they're telling you specifically to choose better when you're not complaining about dating? The only time I ever see anyone tell women to choose better is when they constantly complain about how shit dating is. And the fact that you didn't acknowledge that I said if in my comment has me believing that you don't take into account everything people say and are projecting your feelings onto what they're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:31 PM
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You notice how I use the word if. Also do you have proof of them telling you you specifically to choose better. Or is it that men tell women to choose better as advice when they complain about how bad dating is? They do what you are doing right now, which is assume what my dating life is like, I didn't make any assumption of your dating life. You're projecting an assumption on to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:24 PM
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If you're constantly complaining about the men you're dating are bad men that's all they really need to know that you need to choose better. In fact actually doing what women want you to do which is to believe them. Regardless of your gender if all your partners are bad then you need to choose better it's just a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:18 PM
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Martin prove to me those women didn't manipulate men with sex. Going tell me how my experience is wrong. You actually don't really have a point you have an unfalsifiable conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 11:05 AM
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Sorry but the preparator of violence is irrelevant to the person being attacked. And women saying but it is done by man is an attempt to discredit men's suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 11:00 AM
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The phrase "choose better" can be meant genuinely, but it is my experience that men (here) do not meant it genuinely. It actually is genuine. You (and others) don't want it to be real because you can't shift blame to the person getting chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 10:53 AM
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They always assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 10:51 AM
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That there are plenty of women to manipulate men with sex. You are arguing against that position..
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 10:47 AM
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So you lose an argument and then try to gaslight. Bro if you never believe people you disagree with what do you expect to ever learn ? That is not how you learn. You ask for proof. Because you are not saying my experience is x. You are telling men my experience is wrong. Who knows my experience better? Also it's just painting yourself into a corner. You're the only one doing this. You're saying no women use manipulation to get what they want. Just admit you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 10:34 AM
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Yes cuz manipulators 100% tell everyone that they're manipulators. Sounds like you have very bad social skills you think manipulators are going to tell you they manipulate people. I listen to their victims and watch their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:53 AM
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Does my anecdote cancel out yours? I guess but it doesn't actually prove that it's a feminist position.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:52 AM
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You're now saying something very different than you did before. Previously you said those talks needed to happen on the first or second date. Now you're saying you want to have them "after a handful of dates." I'm not saying anything different that's literally the same thing I've been saying this whole time. You decided I was saying something different so you had an argument against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:50 AM
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Wait it's a woman's fault that the guy couldn't be an adult? That is the opposite of what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:49 AM
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I have investigated further by talking to and looking at what people say. They have presented antidotal evidence by saying that it is a famous position but have not provided any proof of their claims. It's the job of the person making the positive claim to provide proof. And since feminism doesn't in fact rely on a single individual or organization for its tenants or ideals you're going to have a hard time proving that that is in fact a feminist position. But I'm willing to look at the informati…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:35 AM
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And everything I've seen has shown that it doesn't seem to be a feminist position. Is a difference between a stated position and a revealed position. A stated position is worthless if you revealed position is counter to it. So if all the famous are like hey I believe it should be 50/50 on dates but when I go on a date I want to be paid for. The feminist position is I want to be paid for.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:23 AM
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If you are looking for a long-term thing with someone and after a handful of dates and are clicking you can't sit down and have that conversation you're not looking for a long term thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 12:00 AM
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I still stand by my position that if you aren't willing to have at least one day at some point in the dating process that is just like sit down conversation about hey what are we all looking for here. You're not seriously looking for a long-term prospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:59 PM
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You seem to be confused on what I'm saying. My example is hey this is what I find fun. No they might not find it fun okay but that means then the date itself wasn't a fun day cuz it wasn't planned that way. Because it can't be a fun day to the person if they're not having fun. So the whole point of this is to say hey normal guy is playing fun date is an issue. That would not be my go-to. Honestly I rather do something like mini golf bowling that kind of thing. Going to like a coffee shop maybe o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:50 PM
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Who said I don't like fun dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:45 PM
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The argument it is a feminist position. But evidence shows it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:00 PM
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You are describing men that use women for sex. That is not what the op is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:47 PM
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No it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:43 PM
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But do you have to tell people you are seeing other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 07:58 PM
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I agree with sex because it could put their health at risk. What about just dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 07:37 PM
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You didn't say go up to them and offer a relationship or dating just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 07:24 PM
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In that case why are they mad they leave after. You only offered sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 07:18 PM
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Yes and before I became her boyfriend I need to know if we are headed in the same direction. That stops us both from wasting time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 07:11 PM
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I'm not trying to be dismissive, but...get out of your head. You are be very dismissive. And not at all helpful. Can you have fun with her, yes or no? Yes. Doing things I find fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:57 PM
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Why did you change the situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:25 PM
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It is on the floor. The 5th floor.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:19 PM
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You have not using "my" definition at all. Sure there are rare (not saying non-existent) scenarios where the woman doesn't want to do anything and simply expects the man to be her servant, using sex as a manipulation tactic -which obviously is manipulative and abusive. That is not at all what I am talking about or the definition of choreplay. But most of the time, having to nag the man to take an equal (or proportional) share of household chores gradually kills the woman's desire for him - and b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:05 PM
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That's because TRP rebranded many bluepill concepts like BEING A FUCKING ADULT lol You can't possibly think encouraging men to be normal adults is a red pill thing my god, that's too terminally online. Talk to older people and ask them, please. When did I say it was? I only said they tell men to do this. But if EVERYONE is telling you that you are wrong. Isn't it more likely that you are making a mistake and not everyone else? Not really because most people don't do the research. I have years of…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:50 PM
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Yes, you should be a functional adult regardless your relationship status this isn't red pill btw, it's as bluepill as the sky. The redpill people I watch all day this. when are you going to start looking at yourself and realize maybe you understood it wrong? Because others are wrong about the use of the phrase doesn't mean I have to agree with that wrong use.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:25 PM
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I think if you don't want to have one or two dates to figure out compatibility you are not that serious about looking for the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:20 PM
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Who wants a date to only be productive? I would be 100% fine with that. When you are looking for a long term thing discussions need to be had. I definitely should not be the first couple of days.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:57 PM
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No. Choreplay is about deception. That is why it is different than just being a functional adult. People that are red pill and not just grifter tell men to be an functional adult that will function as if the woman is not there ( as in you don't need her to do basic things for you, not ignoring her).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:44 PM
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So you date assholes not men. And because not that men must follow traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:36 PM
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By my definition they are automatically. Getting a slice of pizza and playing a round of mini golf or going to a flea market are lots more fun than just sitting at a table in a restaurant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:17 PM
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So dates don't have to be fun to be productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:59 PM
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TBH it sounds like you should have some more "fun" dates to see if you find them more enjoyable than the unfun ones. This has me confused if you are using the two interchangeably.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:59 PM
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Do you have something else you could talk about? Do you have a bunch of things you can talk about? I do but that doesn't guarantee fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:47 PM
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I don't see it. Most date activities are not fun. And I can enjoy something without having fun. I can see most people planning an enjoyable date. Like going to dinner and talking can be enjoyable but I would not say I had fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:31 PM
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So if a date is fun or not is based on the person that is planning the date? Because for the no people it is based on what they find fun. So how can you say normal men plan fun dates? It is based on personal preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:13 PM
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Sure but that is not what said. It was normal guys plan fun dates. Is that a fun date? Because most of the guys I know would think so. Getting to do something they like with another person. Supper fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:00 PM
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But their perception is what matters to that comment. If they find it boring I am boring. So this advice fails.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:53 PM
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I will say regardless of how you want categorize it. It is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:45 PM
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The issue is that normal can mean whatever they want it to mean. And if they give hard examples it is always not normal things. Normal is relative to the whole group, not just part.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:40 PM
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Normal" men aren't boring. Normal men built rapport, banter/flirt, ask a woman out if she reciprocates, and are capable of coming up with a basic idea of something fun for the two of them to do during a date, and can be in her company doing said activity without coming off as creepy or inhibited. They have senses of humor, can make her smile/laugh, and if she's single and has the ability to find him attractive, he builds tension which makes whatever initial attraction she has towards him actiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:38 PM
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That is different than the situation we were talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:28 PM
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Yes it is a self help book. So it would not make sense to talk about covet contacts that come from the outside. You can't do anything about those. Only if you use them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:20 PM
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The best way is to have a set of standards that you want regardless of what your partner did in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 01:09 PM
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I don't see the difference. They are the same. The results in the same outcome. The only difference is the source.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 01:06 PM
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Would I be ok for a man to want a woman to do that for him in the sexual context?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:53 PM
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3 of my aunts. One of my cousin's girlfriends. Plenty of girls in highschool.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:39 AM
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I have. Hiding the terms would be a covert contract. All it is is a contract made by one party that the other doesn't know about. If you hide the terms the other party can't know about the contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:38 AM
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Yes they are. It happens often. Plenty of women use sex to manipulate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:31 AM
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The covert part lying about the terms..
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:30 AM
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You are creating a contract by saying do x to get y. That is different then to increase your chances of getting y do x.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:26 AM
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If you tell someone you are true and you cheat, you are the asshole and should be treated as such. Can't cheat if you have not established exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:53 AM
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The issue they don't say the second part until you say "hey I did what you said and got nothing." It is there excuse to get out of the covert contract they established.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:51 AM
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The idea of choreplay is not that you're meeting basic expectations of being an adult in exchange for sex, but that your partner is less likely to be to exhausted for sex if they're no longer doing every single thing that needs doing in the house That is not what choreplay is. It is the direct statement I would have sex with you if you did more chores. And when the person does more chores you still don't have sex with them and move the goal post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:48 AM
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It’s not dishonest to say that men should do more work at home They dishonesty is directly saying if you did more chores I would have sex with you. And when they do more chores you still don't have sex with them. Paying is paying for the relationship prospect Then why is the expectation that men pays. I don't see many people out here telling women to pay( not split, pay the whole thing).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:43 AM
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Monogamy is agreed upon. Monogamy is not a covert contract. So until ba conversation is had about exclusivity you can't be cheating. But that in not how I see women engaging with this. They assume exclusivity because they have engaged in a covert contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:40 AM
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Plenty of women are happy to go 50/50 on dates*. Do you have stats for this. Last I saw it was at highest 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:36 AM
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Feminists are generally opposed to the cultural expectation that men pay for dates precisely because it’s part of an implicit contract in the minds of a lot of men. Not what I have seen. All the feminist I know still expect traditional treatment in dating. They are just mad that men also have expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:34 AM
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All the feminist I know still want and expect traditional dating treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:32 AM
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There is a difference between choreplay and doing things to help out. You should be doing things around the house. The issue is that in choreplay women create a contract of do chores and I will give you sex. But the unspoken part is they don't have an obligation to fulfill their end. So if you are not willing to go through with it don't present the contract. Not going though it shows you to be a person that doesn't keep their word, a major red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:29 AM
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Intimacy includes sex but is not limited to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:16 AM
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Women suffer misogyny systematically men only "suffer" from misandry online That is wrong. You believe it is okay to collectively punish men because of misogyny. Not all men are misogynist. But you're going to treat them the same way anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 11:02 AM
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So collective punishment is ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 10:46 AM
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The hatred of men is not new.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 10:36 AM
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Not sure how this relates to my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:34 AM
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All women are attracted to attractive men. Not all men are going after baddies, there are a lot of us going for the "wife material" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:29 AM
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Then you know an answer to the question, "How does a woman become convinced to have sex with an incompatible man?" that doesn't involve manipulation, and I'd love to hear it. Not defending a position I don't hold sorry that you can get your straw man to fight. If being a player - who is necessarily manipulative - is necessary for success, then a person has to be manipulative to succeed. That's just a logical statement. Can you explain a way in which a person can succeed without having the necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:49 PM
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When does the kid see how dad attracts women, and that he has options? I assume a father spends time with their kids. And they would see how women interact with him. Manipulation is how a man manages to attract a bunch of women. The likelihood of a man finding a handful of compatible sex partners during his life is low. To have a large number of sex partners at one time, actual or aspiring, the compatibility has to be lowered. How does a woman become convinced to have sex with an incompatible ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:22 PM
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You stated that the ideal role model for boys is one who attracts women and has options. ( Leaving out everything else I said. I argued that it makes a difference whether the focus is on getting something out of women, or being a good person. (No real response out of that.) Because you are arguing something I never said. And I stated that a role model should not mess up a kid to make the kid successful in a messed up world. Assuming that is what I said. I actually believe it's better to fail for…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:15 PM
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The best definition is : an equal exchange of goods of unequal value.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:40 PM
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If being a good person prevents success, yes. So back to women don't like good men. You made up this up yourself. Never said anything about not raising a good person. I hope you never have a son.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:26 PM
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You want to set up people to fail. The role of a father and the role changing society is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:13 PM
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I want a dad who attracts women and has options," isn't the same thing as, "I want a dad who has excellent life skills," even if one man can be functionally both It is. It's also his job to teach a son the difference between the world he's in and the world as it should be, and empower him to think better, do better, and demand better, right? You can't do that if you can't succeed without knowing how to win in the system. That is the father's job. So a man with the ideal father figure would be on…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:56 PM
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Not how markets work.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:56 PM
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And that is the problem with the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:44 PM
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If a man is well-rounded, functional and healthy, where on the list of life skills do you think he places "attracting women" and "having options"? You are looking at this wrong. It is the life skills that get the man attracting women and having options. By teaching his son these things he is teaching independence, social skills, problem solving skills, and how to stand up for oneself. It is a fathers job to teach a son how to succeed in the system we have. And that system values men based on wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:33 PM
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I thought women were attracted to good men? And why do you think that my statement implies pus stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:59 PM
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Most of the men I know that are struggling didn't have a father figure at all. Now one to model when it comes to attracting women. The ideal would be a man that can basically get any women he wanted and choose one to be with. He didn't give up or stop with those things that gave him those options. Stands up for themselves even if it makes his wife mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:19 PM
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From what I know there are high safety standards in those jobs. The issues are not following them and unfortunately things are going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:44 PM
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You took it to mean what you wanted not what I said. So how about you address what I actually said?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:42 PM
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I never said anything about those being standards or not. Never said if they were ok or not. You are conflating two groups of men. Then men that have those standards do because they have the ability to filter because there are women after them. Aka the top percentage of men. The desperate men don't have them because they get no attention from women. What you're doing is engaging in the Apex fallacy. No, you just don't understand me. You refuse to engage with what I said. Instead engaged with a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:35 PM
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You very clearly didn't read what I wrote because you are making things up or are confusing it for a different comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:20 PM
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It feels like you didn't read the comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:49 AM
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You are conflating two different types of men. In my personal experience, I have been told by women that I should have higher standards for women because I am willing to date the woman you mentioned ( not gold digger, I want to be loved for me not what I give materialistic things). Those women are looking for the top men and don't give guys like me a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:35 AM
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I knew girls in highschool with fake IDs that went to bars to hit on older men. As far as those men knew they were 21.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:22 AM
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The issue is not finding a 17 year old attractive. It is what you do when you find out that person is 17. If you just looked at people could you tell if they are 17 or 18?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:10 AM
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That you lie. Yes we can all see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 11:14 PM
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So by extension, you're saying it's wrong of other men on this sub to jump to that conclusion who also only have one interaction with me and don't give me the benefit of the doubt? Yes. What lie? That I called you a masandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 11:09 PM
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. But feminists also helped to get the law to a point where it was acknowledged even acknowledged, It is not. Rape law is still defined by penetration.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 10:05 PM
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You can’t win an argument by playing semantics. Say “this right here is why you get called a misandrist” is by all intents and purposes calling me a misandrist. Nope. It is you caught in a lie. If you want to argue that that is not your intent, then you must explain why YOU are so wise as to understand that my beliefs are not misandrist while other men believe it is. We have only one interaction. So I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. It would be wrong to jump to that conclusion. I have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 10:02 PM
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And that survey has false positives in it on purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:26 PM
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The other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:25 PM
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You just call anyone who doesn't agree with you a misandrist, which is not helping your case. When do I call you a misandrist? When did I say it was because of a disagreement?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:31 PM
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Nope. There is not a logical step between the two. It is all emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:58 PM
3

Not really an ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:37 PM
2

An ick by definition is minor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:36 PM
1

My icks aren't minor They are not icks then.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:28 PM
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Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. I'm talking about a specific phenomenon where women are conditioned to fear men because of experiences from a very young age where women feel physically threatened by men. You can't just decide that I'm actually talking about something else just so men can be lumped in. This right here is why you get called a misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:23 PM
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same scale and frequency as women and girls do? That doesn't matter. What matters is the individual's experience with those things. That is why she's saying she hasn't heard reporting of the same scale and frequency of harassment happening to boys. Because "individual experience" is so broad as to be meaningless. What is the actual harm level? It doesn't matter we're talking about individuals making an individual choice whether or not to be misogynistic or misandrist. How other people are affect…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:15 PM
2

Diffrance from a red flag?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:12 PM
1

Logical if you are sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:09 PM
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I am directly commenting on what you said. . I just haven’t heard hardly any men describe this as their experience. That doesn't matter. What matters can a man use them to do what you do with men? Physical fear is what causes women to be wary of men, so that’s why I’m using it as a parallel. And that gatekeeps men out of the discussion. It should be about all abuse. The framing is telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:36 PM
2

I can think of red flags but not icks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:21 PM
-1

Is it based on your definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:20 PM
1

Only not liking cats is a minor thing. Do by your definition that is the only ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:19 PM
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So judging an individual for the sins of others is ok. I never heard them say the man was doing anything wrong. Just the fact he is a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:11 PM
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What are men's icks?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:40 PM
5

Have proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:39 PM
5

Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:38 PM
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The only people trying to keep men in traditional roles, is men here. It is women. They rewarded transitional men. But it’s not though, how many men blame rape victims or tell her “she should have picked better” for mens actions against women They are horrible like the women that say man can't get raped. The issue here is it ok to use your experience and that of others to have a negative view of an entire group of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:09 PM
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I just have not seen data or enough men come forward with this claim to believe it to be true. So no individual experience doesn't count because it is men? Also why is it only physical fear? Those make you seem misandrist. As for your other questions, we can debate them if you want, but that’s not what my comment is about. The debate is whether or not having those beliefs makes me a misandrist, not whether you agree with them. Well you posted them in the same comment so they are relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:36 PM
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Sometimes misandry can be like a response to misogyny That means the opposite is also true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:09 PM
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, I consider women’s general wariness of men to be warranted due to our lived experiences feeling fear from a man’s actions starting from a young age. Some men believe that makes me a misandrist. I do not The issue is that justification is only allowed in that situation. Men are called misogynistic for doing that. Why shouldn't you get called misandrist. collectively should not swipe on every profile on a dating app or just accept the first woman who says yes to them. How would this help? I beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:07 PM
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More options are better than fewer. From talking to women they don't see those as options because they preemptively put them in no bag. But those are in fact options. There is also this crazy idea that women are of higher quality than men, so the limited options men have are better. They are not. They are of the same quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 11:19 AM
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Yes because the things can be discussed with general it can't be with vague.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:11 PM
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That is literally the only way we can have a conversation about this kind of thing unless we just want to talk about what each individual person does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:39 PM
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A good man would remember the things you eat and places you like to go. They would use that information to plan the date. If they got feedback that requires change they would charge. All of that is in fact leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:16 PM
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You are just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:14 PM
5

You don't know what leadership is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:06 PM
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Where did the we come from? The man plans the date and invites the woman to it. That is leadership. Sorry you don't like the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:47 PM
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Cool. But many older women think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:46 PM
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The last line of your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:36 PM
1

The value is the time save not the sandwich. Value is not universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:36 PM
1

Would I pay for a sandwich. Yes. That is about respecting the other person's time and belongs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:26 PM
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I would because it shows entitlement and disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:19 PM
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Making a plan and getting others to agree. Is not leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:18 PM
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Not a sacrifice. I don't value half a sandwich.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:12 PM
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Brokey, Dusty
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:11 PM
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No. If that is the case every interaction between people is transactional. The thing that "nice guys" believe and women hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:00 PM
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Also, why calling a man who didn't earn money as such is insult? If you don't understand how calling people names is disrespect, I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:58 PM
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Tell that to the woman mad at men for picking the first one..
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:57 PM
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an act of giving up something valued for the sake of something else regarded as more important or worthy. Are they still sacrifices if you're getting something out of it? Depends. Are you expecting something in return. Are they always sacrifices if you aren't getting something out of it? It is about doing without looking for return. If you get a return or not doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:50 PM
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It is everything that goes along with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:44 PM
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It is when you say it is because they are gay and going to cheat on you with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:42 PM
1

And those things made you lose out on something? Like you had to give up getting something you need or wanted because you spent the money on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:12 PM
1

What sacrifices for strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:02 PM
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Basically a hook up without promises of future entanglements. So no paying. No talking about a relationship with them ( lie or real). No saying we will go on another date (lie or real).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:01 PM
1

So yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:57 PM
1

So you would make a sacrifice?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:40 PM
1

If he has the capability to easily have non-committal sex he is a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:51 PM
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I would say you don't really love your brother ( that is ok). You have been conditioned to believe you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:49 PM
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Yes. Maybe not in the exact words but that would be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:47 PM
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The one for love is vague. The others are workable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:44 PM
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Love Equality Patriarchy Sexual assault
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:27 PM
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Chad. Will you define those terms now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:05 PM
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I am assuming op is talking about a general trend not every single woman. So in light of that I believe my answer here are the general trend for men. Do you want define the terms in op? In fact, almost every definition of “Chad” I have heard from others involves him being physically attractive That is a means to an end. If you are physically attractive and can't get non-committal sex easily, you are not a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:44 PM
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It is an umbrella term. It is vague. Out of what op listed this should be the only one that is vague.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:32 PM
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When men talk about wanting a woman who is “physically attractive” that means the exact same thing every time to every person? No but the man can give you the things they find physically attractive. So when men talk about love, it’s something concrete and immutable then? The willingness to make sacrifices for a person. When men talk about wanting “sexual enthusiasm” there’s absolutely no nuance or wiggle room in what that means? Being an active participant. Move around, push back against thrusti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:29 PM
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There is a level of attraction there. I am not into men. A man could be the most compatible person in the universe for me. I will not gain attraction to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 01:18 PM
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Potential attraction is still attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 12:52 PM
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That doesn't actually dispute what I said. In fact it bolsters it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 12:47 PM
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That comes after attraction and could be a reason to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:32 AM
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It would be the same categories that men use. I also don't think it would be bad to do some of the traditional women things. The important part is engaging in the type of relationship you want from the beginning. It will be individual to the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:22 PM
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Women need to remember to court the men they are dating. Too many don't and wonder why men don't stick around.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:01 PM
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In general I don't care about them. But way too many are using dating platforms to sell their content. Talking to someone ( most likely not even them) for a few hours or days just to find out they are only there to sell you stuff, leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:50 PM
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That is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:12 PM
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You are the only one talking about harassment. So you didn't read. And saying you can't hold two contradictory things true at the same time is fundamentally logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:00 PM
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Thanks for showing you didn't read what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:50 PM
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You can't say women dress for the male gays in one breath and then say we don't dress for attention we dress for ourselves. You have to pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:38 PM
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Explaining why something happens doesn't mean you don't try to avoid it. If fact it is part of teaching how to by showing you what to look for.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:37 PM
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Then how do you explain Trans men reporting higher libido after stating testosterone?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:34 PM
1

In my 30s can say the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:25 PM
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I thought women didn't dress for attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:20 PM
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For who?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:38 PM
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You are the one that said they made assumptions. And you are the one refusing to give an example. You have not given me anything to judge because in the situation you already said they are racist. So I already know that before they do anything. You started with the conclusion. Kinda like the racists you described.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:00 PM
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I know what words mean. You need to show what you mean by a comment saying they are inferior. Maybe I am wrong but I don't think you mean a person coming up to me and saying x race is inferior to y race. Mostly because that would be explicit and your post is about implicit beliefs. And with the way you argue it seems like you would say a person saying Asians tend to be shorter, is saying they are inferior. So please give an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:54 PM
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Fuck I forgot. Thanks for reminding me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:28 PM
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You have to give an example of what you mean . I don't trust your use of words because you said you make assumptions. Like you did here. So give an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:48 PM
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Yes and people can do that with their words No they can't because it is all assumptions. Do you blindly believe people arent racist even when they talk about certain races being inferior? Give an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:04 PM
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They do but when you say one thing and do another, that is evidence of you lying. That is what follow actions not words is telling people. That people often lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:34 PM
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This one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:27 PM
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And you are applying that to individuals. Meaning you are making assumptions about that person's words.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:26 PM
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All your assumptions. Like you assume mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:10 PM
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No. You hear what a person does and then see what they do. Those are only on that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:01 PM
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I see just the same amount of women doing that plus saying that the woman is the real victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:55 PM
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So your assumption on what people are saying is better than the actual words they are using.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:54 PM
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Not answering until you answer my questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:34 PM
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Yes. You're not going to answer my question? How about when Obama made it harder for men accused of rape in college to prove their innocence. That is the highest office in the land taking away due process for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:26 PM
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Hiding victims is systematic. When a teacher rapes a student and it's a male teacher it's calling rape if it's a female teacher it's molestation, that is systematic. Making phone of men in prison by saying or implying they could or should get raped is systematic. How many times have you heard of a person say the hope a woman in jail gets raped?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:18 PM
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And there you go diminishing it. And I would say it is a systematic issue. Because the CDC doesn't count it as rape they put it into its own category of made to penetrate. They're hiding the numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:06 PM
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It is very much the same. It's the demonization of the male sexuality. And refusing to see the negatives of women's. Just like men raped by women aren't even counted as being raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:55 PM
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No but society just decides that it's okay because their victims are boys so they totally wanted to have sex and it doesn't matter that they couldn't consent. And if they declined to have sex with that woman they're told they're gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:36 PM
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There are plenty female pedoes out there too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:30 PM
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If that's how you feel I guess stop complaining that men don't want to date you then. Men are making a choice where to put their time and effort in and a person who has those kinds of beliefs aren't worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 06:05 PM
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Honestly it is not worth it. She doesn't engage with good faith. To her men have to put in lots of effort and be ok with getting none. If they are not they only want sex and not a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:30 PM
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I break up with them. Not looking for temporary.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:15 PM
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How do you do that? If a Man robs a store and assaults a man, that would not be counted. That is manipulating the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:52 PM
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They are doing so based on bad stats. Have emotional intelligence to deal with your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:28 PM
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It lacks the context of likeness to be attacked. I am not being emotional just actually using stars.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:03 PM
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And I have been assaulted by multiple women. General fear like that is unfounded. This is when you get therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:20 PM
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Because you refuse to acknowledge the reality that the fear you carry is unfunded. Because then you have to do the self work of improving your emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:10 PM
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Doesn't change the facts. You guys don't like statistical analyst .
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:06 PM
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That date Is not correct because you refuse to look at the context. That being women are less likely to be victims of violent crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:03 PM
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Because the stat you are referring to lacks context and is meaningless. Learn to read stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:15 PM
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Can't be that important if you're hanging out with a gangster.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:15 PM
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Then personality is not a looked after trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:47 PM
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They would still be safer hanging around men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:46 PM
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So then all the women attacking men for fear of false rape allegations are being horrible people too?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:16 PM
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And that fear is constantly minimized, The danger is overemphasized.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:10 PM
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Doesn't matter. Men are more likely to be murdered or assaulted. Thus it is safer to be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:22 PM
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And men are in fact in more danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:21 PM
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No they don't. Women are far safer than men are. That is the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:20 PM
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That woman don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:20 PM
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Your pov is not reality. Just because you feel unsafe doesn't mean you are. And dealing with that feeling is part of emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:56 AM
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Proving the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:55 AM
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So people have ideals but will choose options that don't fully meet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:36 AM
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Both links are the same. The issue with the first one is it is just a description of traits not tied to a physical representation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:14 AM
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And that's what hookers say in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:41 PM
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I will agree if you put yourself in the same category.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:32 PM
1

And people wonder why some men expect sex after a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:30 PM
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The people in denial of the first one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:29 PM
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Don't bother. They won't take accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 01:40 PM
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If they have a fuck buddy they can go be with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:02 PM
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How is flirting sexual? How is it not? If it wasn't nee would not have a different word then banter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:27 PM
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So interest is shown through flirting, building sexual tension, and getting to know more about the person. The first two are sexual. So pretty much only through sexual means is how you show interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:05 PM
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I get it. I am trying to get a shy kid I work with to understand these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:04 PM
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And you will call out your girlfriends that don't do these things and complain men don't want to commit to them( if they never have would you)?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:53 PM
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I just see many women won't do these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:39 PM
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And are you doing these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:24 PM
1

Then how do you show interest in non sexual ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:20 PM
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A man cheating is the woman's fault. Where is that post claiming men take accountability for their actions? Where did I say this?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:19 PM
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Are you asking about them? Do you buy them gifts? Do you plan dates? Do you pay for dates? Do you try to make a bad day they are having good? Do you remember the things they say? Do you initiate conversation? Do you change plans to accommodate them? Are you willing to go on a date that is just sitting on the beach? These things show interest. Just showing up to a date that is being paid for is not in itself showing interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:44 PM
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We have different definitions of friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:36 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/zQBljIa2sF
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:33 PM
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So you don't want to answer the question? Because I don't believe everything here is about sex. I guess I was right you don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:22 PM
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I think a FWB relationship will be the best of both worlds so the perfect style of relationship. How?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:12 PM
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You automatically assume a man's position because he disagrees with you. I don't see men here making everything about sex, that is your basis showing. Yes it is a lot about it but not everything. If you know the difference how do you show interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:11 PM
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The same places that people have seen it the way they have
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:02 PM
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Your inability to believe that men could want any other signs of interest besides sex. If you engaged with other signs of interest you would not jump to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:01 PM
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If that is what you want. No problems just don't complain when they don't want to change to a monogamous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:56 PM
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It seems to be women like you that can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:55 PM
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There is a difference between hanging out with a person and being around them for things. Sorry that we believe women need to do more than exist in our presence to show they are interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:41 PM
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Maybe we both agree that if you want an open relationship the relationship should start there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:38 PM
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They ask for it but don't really want it. I would place it in the same vain as a dude that asked his wife/gf to fuck him and then gets upset when she does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:36 PM
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Not all the girls just the fact they are going to sleep with one. I have been shown some of the opposite but not enough for me to say it is a stereotype to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:24 PM
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it is more common for women in a monogamous relationship to request an open one, please. I didn't claim that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:10 PM
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I don't think it is common and is less common that that question doesn't end up with the dissolving of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:06 PM
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open relationship trainwreck stories on Reddit usually go Why are you limiting it to reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:51 PM
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Top posts don't make a stereotype. It has to happen frequently. That is not the only place stories are told. Plus it looks more like a sub for posting content from other subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:34 PM
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You have a time line here of 3 years. So one every 3.6 months. Doesn't create a stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:27 PM
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Sounds like a bunch of Those involved falling in love not just having sex. Changing the situation from we are going to have sex with others to we are going to date others.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:20 PM
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No it is to get a husband early. Wife Googles keeps you at the age you two started to date. The reason they get removed is because the wife stops putting in effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:04 PM
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You want to link to posts because a look though doesn't show the stereotype you are talking about at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 12:57 PM
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Actually it is pretty simple. Don't waste time in your early years with men you know are not going to be husbands if you want marriage. And if that is too late you have to settle for a man that is not your ideal like most men have to for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 12:50 PM
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I have never seen that ever. Always the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 12:33 PM
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I have never seen that happen. Men know it is hard for them to get sex and easy for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 12:14 PM
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. If it started as a monogamous relationship and then was opened, yeah that’s 90% likely not going to work. These are the stories we hear. It is always a woman wanting to open it up. And the second the man sleeps with another person the experiment is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 11:54 AM
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Then they are lying about multiple things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 03:48 PM
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Where I live it is progressive and honestly they are worse about it. They want the benefits without putting in effort. It seems most women that want 50/50 are already in a relationship. Those in the dating world are mostly lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 03:30 PM
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That's why I'm more comfortable with 50/50 relationships You might be but most women don't seem to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 03:26 PM
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And the three you point out say nothing about how this person treats you or others, are they willing to put in the work when things get hard, how do they control their emotions. You know the things that matter in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 12:36 PM
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Key word is part. You can't say you are looking for personality but only looking at a few things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 10:20 AM
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I do but this isn't about the individual but the environment they are in. And that environment tells women to do less and hold men to their gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:32 PM
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In your first paragraph why can't women do those things? When you are always expected to do those things it is a chore. And on top of that many women are just using men for free meals or entertainment. The issue is the continuation of gender roles for men but women get to pick and choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:15 PM
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And they will still be provided for.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:46 PM
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Ok. But that would not be fair the other way either. But thanks for showing it wasn't about fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:27 PM
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You clearly don't care about fairness. Because what you just said automatically gives the stay at home parents primary custody because the parties agreed to an arrangement that means the other parent is less active.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:10 PM
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I don't think it is when you are choosing to leave. You made a choice to lose assets the other person didn't. That is not fair. Am not saying it should be nothing but it can't be half. And why about kids. Should the other parent only get every other weekend because one decided to leave because they were bored.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:17 PM
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Both parties get half of the assets each. That’s fair. No the preson that is being divorced is losing half of the things . We don’t have alimony in my country. We do in the US. . I just don’t get why you’re so fired up about marriage if you don’t want to do it? I do want to get married. That is why I have a strong stance. Is it that you wish you could marry but only if you could force a woman not to leave? No. I take things like marriage seriously. And it is a commitment you don't just leave bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:56 PM
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And they don't believe in marriage and no one should marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:48 PM
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The benefit is not being with that person anymore. The benefit is half of the martial assets and alamony to maintain your lifestyle. If a person gives that up ok. You can have both no fault and fault divorce at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:42 PM
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As a small part of the factors, no they would not. But if you leave because you are bored, you don't believe in marriage in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:36 PM
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Why should you get benefits for breaking the contract. , if no fault divorce was removed, people could still just leave without getting divorced That would be abandonment and you could get a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:21 PM
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To find a partner to help navigate life and to raise kids. If you getting married to be entertained you messed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:13 PM
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Don't get married or bring back fault divorce for things like this ( includes domestic violence and cheating).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 02:57 PM
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For dating sure but for marriage they did in fact sing a contract. And being bored is not a sufficient reason to break that contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 02:29 PM
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Her point is that those men don't want relationship. But the two are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 05:15 PM
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So you are mad about her being right? She is not right because she automatically assumes men want the same thing. She doesn't want to have any discussion. Besides using a hook up to determine if a person is into you doesn't preclude you from wanting a long term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:48 PM
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We don't need it every day from a person not interested in discussion because she has already made up her mind.if you would like to see a discussion you can make that post. She just wants to say men bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:26 PM
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No you don't. You just assume people's positions so you can fight the strawmen you created.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 12:59 PM
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It is Literally the same post every day. You are not getting closer to understanding because that requires asking questions and listening to the answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 12:48 PM
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I really think there needs to be a limit here. Op is just making the same post every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 12:45 PM
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We are in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 11:52 PM
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Yes. Just remember to show interest in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:52 PM
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I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:31 PM
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I am not. I am having a discussion with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 06:20 PM
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Which includes VETTING. You know, the thing guys here wont stop bitching about? How about engage with me and not the group .
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 06:19 PM
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I have seen it often. But If you did how would you handle it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 06:18 PM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:54 PM
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And what if they start blaming men, do you stop them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:39 PM
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Except you guys are clearly talking about immediate sex, which is the point of hookups, not relationships Once again you lump me in with others but refuse to find out any information. I am not responsible for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:29 PM
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The issue is op assumes any man struggling is only looking for hookups. She doesn't want to ask men what their intentions are because it hurts that assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:09 PM
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You are saying that men going up to a woman and says I would like to hookup with you, are getting that. We all know that is not how it works. All the men you do get hookup tell men not to do that. It is about making a woman feel seen and safe. Show me the proof you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:00 PM
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You meant the guys getting hookups aren't asking right? Yes. I will concede there are some like famous men but in general it just happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:41 PM
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the men getting hook ups are asking for them either. This backs up my claim. Not it doesn't. That is a claim not proof. You guys refuse to be upfront about your intentions with women I am a single person. You don't know how I interact or what my intentions are. Haters are gonna hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:28 PM
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I don't know what you mean by "you guys". You don't know my intentions. Never even bothered to ask. I also noticed you have not disproven my claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:15 PM
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She can't do that because she knows the men getting hook ups are not asking for them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:43 PM
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There are plenty of us that would. He is the catch, you don't want to be in relationships with us.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:41 PM
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Sorry you can’t understand nuance. Only nuance when women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:13 PM
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I have seen women say they were being empathetic but really were dismissive and trying to make the situation about themselves or women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:31 PM
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Are you pointing out bad stats? Things like those stupid shirts for little girls that shit on boys. Devaluing men's continuations. Assume men got a position just because they are men. Plenty others.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:20 PM
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What separates a romantic relationship and platonic one is sexual intimacy. The platonic side has to be there but without the sexual intimacy why are we just not friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 11:09 AM
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They don't have empathy at all. Always the man's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 11:03 AM
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How common do you think it is? Because I know at least a handful of men that would date women like in your example but those women don't give them a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:23 PM
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Taking this at face value, you are not the person being talked about. And you don't represent the normal case. You can't project your situation on to everyone. When this is talked about it is about women that hookup with men but make the boyfriend/husband guy wait months for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:12 PM
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It’s like men having sympathy for an average woman expecting Chad to commit to her for a relationship. Do you have sympathy for women who complain about this? Sympathy not really depending on the situation . But I have empathy for them. I get where they are coming from. And if they want advice I will give it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:09 PM
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But you would have sex with someone as a hookup without being BF/GF. Better guy got worse treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:46 PM
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But are not treated as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:31 PM
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No he didnt, he gets more sex, kinkier sex and more affection. Are you having sex on the first date with the boyfriend guy like the hook up? How long does the boyfriend guy have to wait?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:29 PM
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So they have to do it. Proving the point. Boyfriend/husband guy need to do more. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:24 PM
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I can have and show empathy to people if I don't fully understand. Not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:22 PM
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So bf is treated better than hookups. Nope. He got less( remember that value is in the eye of the beholder).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:13 PM
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Yes it is. You are not going to date a man that didn't go to college working at McDonald's. So he has to do things to get chosen. He could be the best partner ever but you wouldn't give him a shot because he didn't do the thing you want them to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:11 PM
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It is not about seeing the benefits( if there are any), it is about being empathetic towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:09 PM
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hats just upfront requirements Doesn't matter if they are upfront or not they are still requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:01 PM
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Some do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:59 PM
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Hookup guys didnt get cuddles Ok. Cuddles are not treating a person better. That is for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:53 PM
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It does when you listed out the requirements for being a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:53 PM
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Where did i say that? Wat. The post itself. I treat my bf better, I actually saw him again That is not treating a person better. That is recon.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:44 PM
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Wrong. We don't like being told we are lesser. By having a long list of things we need to do before sex that is what you are saying. And if I take the women's perspective of the husband guy is better, why are you treating him worse. The better guy should have less hoops than the other one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:20 PM
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What is that perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:03 PM
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This is your logic. But it seems like you can't answer because you don't have any empathy for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:58 PM
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So it is ok to dismiss and not see the perspective of a person because it is an emotional response? Sounds like a bad idea for women. So what is the perspective of men on this issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:53 PM
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Best to be both but if you can't hook up is better. Why can't women see men's perspective here?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:27 PM
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Why are so many men attracted to hypocrites? We all know that you can tell a person is a hypocrite by looking at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:59 AM
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Nothing. I say dress warmer or start your own business to set the temperature.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 08:18 PM
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I suppose this is y guys stop putting effort once they're in a relationship they put a bunch of effort into getting one not maintaining one. Vs women just get in relationships then put effort into maintaining it. Don't c how putting effort into maintaining the relationship would keep me single. This is it. What you mentioned is not putting effort to maintaining a relationship. You only mentioned the basics and dismissed doing more. The reason I pick a guy is bc I like him and want him. The reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:06 AM
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I am asking you because you know what direct communication is. But you use an extra example that calls that into question.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 05:33 PM
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Then explain it without using extreme examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:54 PM
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You haven't proved that you understand what direct communication is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:42 PM
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I will find your question illogical. I would have no way of knowing they would be a good friend without first interacting with them so I would interact with them based on something I had a general interest in. My intention there is to have a good conversation about a specific thing. If it turns out we have the same ideas about things but then we go to friendship. You guys clearly I don't think understand what direct communication is because you keep going right to the extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:13 PM
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Open clear Communication is what you do in a health relationship. That is what you do with everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:52 PM
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Beating around the bush is hiding your intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:50 PM
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"I like you and want to have sex" and "want sex" are the same thing, in that what you WANT is still "sex from her". The former is just "beating around the bush" more than the latter, You don't know what beating around the bush means.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:27 PM
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Saying I like/love you and would like to have sex. Is direct communication. Not beating around the bush. Why not use that example. My criticism is saying you want direct communication but not actually wanting that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:22 PM
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The interesting thing about social nuance is HOW you do communicates just as much as what words you use. And you are showing none here. By using the example of "want fuck"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:16 PM
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But by definition that is not clear communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:09 PM
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By beating around the bush.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:31 PM
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It is their burden to prove the thing was misogyny. Not just say it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:18 PM
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And this is why claims of misogyny are dismissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:33 PM
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The issue is people have over used misogyny so now it basically just means things women don't like. When you get to the point of calling lines for the women's bathroom and air conditioning in office buildings misogyny people stop listening.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:21 PM
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Ok but that is not what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:55 AM
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Are they willing to take a sip of the fruity drink when offered to taste it? So if I don't want to take a sip of something I am insecure? That is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:17 AM
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I guess it's all about positive vs negative intentions. No. It is about your perception of their intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:06 AM
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You refuse to see the other side. Can you steel man their position?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:15 AM
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You refuse to see the other side. You prove the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:07 AM
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And women don’t have the right to their bodies? What other scenario would allow someone else to use your body w/o ur consent? They did, they had sex. You are proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:06 AM
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You believing that being against abortion makes you misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:05 AM
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Most of the time it is not misogyny just a disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:53 AM
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You miss the point here. If the baby is a person it has rights. You are arguing from your pov not what was said.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:50 AM
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That has not been my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:44 PM
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A straight man who isn’t into any stereotypically female things at all can still be secure in his sexuality. Never seen this said ever. This is always used to say they are insecure about those things. I’m just personally attracted to men who don’t adhere rigidly to gender norms and are very secure about it. Not trying to attack your preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:41 PM
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A straight man that is into typical male things are not seen as succure in their masculinity or sexuality. It is only if the straight man is into typical female things that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:07 PM
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I find that people say this only if the man likes transitionaly feminate things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 09:57 PM
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The op wasn’t about male children being raped it is about if consent to sex is consent to parenthood And this is very on topic. It seems that the general take is once a woman is pregnant men have no say. This issue of male rape victims being forced into it shows whether there is a limit to that idea or not. Your questions about rape laws for women or if I care about women that are raped are not on topic at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:53 AM
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Or is it only in the case of male children and presumably teachers being rapists that you care about? This is a shaming tactic. We are talking about one specific thing here. If you want make a post about rape in general. What have you done? Educated people on the issue. Openly advocated for the change. And sent emails to representatives. I think this is a highly fringe issue you are talking about here. And this is a tactic to dismiss the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:40 AM
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It could be something even as simple as mandating rape kits be tested immediately rather than sitting untested for years. That would be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:36 AM
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Are you helping to fight the law for women to have their rape cases more easily proved? What laws are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:32 AM
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So you will help fight the current law then? The case law is built on children being raped by adults. A child can't consent so it is always rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:14 AM
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What about them? Are they responsible and don't get a choice? What if the plan was in case of failure of the condom the woman would take the morning after pill but after the fact refuses. Sounds like I said that women are responsible AND men are responsible. You said you are pro choice but only for women. That is only giving responsibility to the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:51 AM
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Sounds like you believe one party is responsible. What about men and boys that are raped?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:40 AM
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No you didn't you gave one in the comment. That was to wear a condom but you knew that. So why if it fails?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:25 AM
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You are playing stupid. You know what I meant when I ask if it failed. You only have one suggestion. You can answer me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:15 AM
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We both know you are not dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:02 AM
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And if it fails? So you are against equity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:54 AM
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I was just making it very clear for everyone else. When you bring it up get defections or a half assed that shouldn't happen. They don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:44 AM
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I am just asking. So you are anti abortion. I disagree but respect that you have a consistent standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:42 AM
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Should men and boys that are raped be able to opt out?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:40 AM
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And I would have no problem with this and it is always part of the idea. It is about equal rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:36 AM
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This is what happens now. Boys and men that are raped have to pay their rapist child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:35 AM
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Both parties would be responsible then. So both have to live with that consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:28 AM
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How it should be. But we have to be careful about how we write the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:25 AM
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Notice how you didn't show any empathy here. Look at where the political trend is going.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:54 PM
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Wasting your time here. Most women refuse to see this from a Man's side and show any empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 10:38 PM
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Sounds like a great way to stay single
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:34 PM
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They don't hookup with the guy, spend time with him, do shared activities, intensifying displays of interest etc Those are the base line. Especially the first and second one. That is dating. But also isn't this even more reason to avoid being a hook up for a guy. (A) Some guys get turned off from relationships if u hook up with early (B) Competition with other women (C) Work/struggle to get from hook up to relationship I dispute that A has any great effects. It is talked about a lot here but mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:15 PM
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I have heard women say ( in the situation described) as waiting 18 months or more. Waiting a few months is not a problem especially if this is a person you just met.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:53 PM
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Go back to the category you made. You said doing things not to lose them. That is different than doing things to keep them. What other way do u play to win a relationship here ? You need to proactively do things that set you apart from other women. Part of this is going to be dependent on the man you are with. One of the best ways is to show you are thinking about him when not together. Like buy him gifts. Or a good example I have is from a friend. When she was dating her boyfriend in the beginn…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:51 PM
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what time line are you talking about here 3 dates is often enough for a guy to know if he actually likes u or not. I am asking how long are you not going to have sex with a man to make sure he doesn't just want to use you for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:06 PM
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Which part of that is this referencing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:03 PM
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Maybe I am crazy but I would rather be moral and have no sex than have sex and be immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:25 PM
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I have never seen that in reality. It is always their perception. They don't see the contribution of their partner. I will grant it happens in a very small number of cases at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:06 PM
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a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group. Seems like a privilege to me..
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:03 PM
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It's like there can be two different groups or people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:30 PM
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Mostly after the woman complains about not getting a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:25 PM
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Because your position claims they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:03 PM
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Ok...so you personally only recognize or react to categories which are...binary? No. You have not presented any non bii categories yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:29 PM
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Those categories are binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:18 PM
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Yes. Date/girlfriend/wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:49 PM
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You treat colleagues one way, dating partners another, family another Those are different categories not the same one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:22 PM
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You can decide that yourself like you have. I am saying that is not a justification to treat a person worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:07 PM
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Everything requires justification.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:02 PM
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This doesn't justify acting worse towards a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:51 PM
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Who said they should? The problem is women can't get both worlds and they hate it. They want all the traditional things that benefit them and all the nontraditional things that benefit them. And if you are a man not doing that you are not pulling your weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:20 PM
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I have had this conversation with her before. She doesn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:16 PM
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As an autistic person I can tell you it is my empathy that makes it hard to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:15 PM
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Category 1 you don't do anything to risk losing them bc you want to keep them they aren't easily replaceable and more beneficial. Just fyi playing to not lose makes you lose. Play to win.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:08 AM
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And from a guys perspective how is he to know she already likes him? And what time line are you talking about here?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 11:05 PM
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This is the stupidest post I have seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 08:19 PM
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Ultimately it is what it is. But I think it's important to have these kinds of discussions to showcase to others a couple of things. One being how not to argue your point. Another is to fully develop your theory before releasing it to people. And lastly I think it shows others who are arguing / having disagreements with people to identify characteristic of a person who is arguing in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:40 PM
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Op identified things men say here. Nope she identified actions men take. Not what people are saying here. That includes the whole. But we can reasonably assume it is directed at the man failing to do the actions. The same with my claim and question. Do you want me to find examples of where you say negative things about women as a whole? I am asking you for your proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:24 PM
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Once again reusing to answer. You always do this when it hurts your claim. It is related because you listed out actions that when you don't do them, you claim shows a man doesn't want a relationship. This question goes right to the heart of that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:21 PM
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Refusing to answer the question. Do women that don't engage in the behaviors you describe as showing you want a relationship, want a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:12 PM
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It just seems like this person I don't know if it's a man or a woman doesn't like when you criticize women. Criticizing woman or a man doesn't make you sexist. This is just kind of what happens when you display a low level of benevolent sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:07 PM
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That doesn't make sense though, unless you could see every woman in the world at all times you wouldn't know if they get gifts or not Just like op doesn't know all men are not doing the things. She made a gendered statement based on actions. But you two refuse to acknowledge that women can and do engage in the same actions. Is there any other way you can justify the negative things you say about women as a whole? What negative things about women. I have criticized an action just like op. In fact…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:05 PM
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I am asking because you made a claim based on gender that was really just about actions that have nothing to do with gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:00 PM
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So only men can show they don't want a relationship. And every woman wants one regardless of how they act. This looks more like hatred of men than it is about a standard of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 11:42 AM
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Real life all the time. No gifts , no taking interest in their dates interests, don't ever initiate anything. And when you talk to them about it they push back on the idea they have to do those things. If that is the standard for wanting a relationship then they don't want one. They just want a person to entertain them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 11:40 AM
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Op called me a bigot for disagreeing with them. Don't know if they are the person to make statements on sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 11:26 AM
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I am not saying anything about that, but her baseless claims about men not doing/wanting to do relationship things. The same things I see women also refusing to do. So if women are not doing those things, do they want relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 11:23 AM
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Where? I don't see any evidence in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 10:55 AM
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I can prove it just as much as op. And once she proves it I will provide the evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 10:30 AM
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If women want a relationship why are they not doing those things you listed?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:41 AM
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I like to debate. In terms of advice why do women listen to bad advice. Because it already supports their ideas. If you think men should go elsewhere for advice, where is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:26 PM
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It happens sometimes but most of the time it is an excuse to be a shitty girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 07:44 PM
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I have not really seen this. More of if you sleep with everyone men could have negative feelings towards you. A person that wants to use you for sex is going to no matter what. The only way to avoid that is to wait a very long time but then men that like you for more than sex will leave. Maybe part of the disconnect here is that I and other men see it as stepping stones. I don't want to be with them at all. I want to be around them I want to hookup. They are wife material. You have to make it to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:03 PM
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There is a difference between doing that and doing things out of love for a partner. Women don't understand that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:11 PM
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I can only give the perspective of trying to date. But yes I have. Why would you not?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:42 PM
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I would say the issue is women see men that display low levels of benevolent sexism to be just as sexist if not more than men that display high levels of hostile sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:38 PM
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lot more people in general weaponizing therapy terms they don’t really understand or care to. I see women do this way more than men. Easy to spot after reading the literature.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:36 PM
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It sounds like you don't understand the situation being discussed at all. The issue is you demand a compliment when you ask for perspective. This is false. You asked for perspective - you got it. I also asked if you understood the other side's perspective, which you did not answer. So the assumption is you don't know it. That leads to a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:08 PM
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Are we not allowed to discuss things? I thought this was the point of the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 11:25 AM
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I didn't try to give anyone a compliment. No but this is how the women that use that justify it. It feels like you don't want to keep this in the specific situation. I will say if you are sleeping /dating a man and tell him he is husband material that would be a compliment. But it is not in the situation described.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 11:13 AM
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So if I try to give a compliment to someone else I make sure that they see it as such. It doesn't matter if I see it as a compliment or not. The action is for their benefit. I think this is something to keep in mind. Not trying to change your perspective but the woman that tells men they are not hookup material but are husband material don't think about it from the man's perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:54 AM
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That is how the situation plays out. It is baked into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:40 AM
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For some guys he is husband material not hook up material bc u want all of him in his entirety. Not a piece of him. But in the situation I described the woman makes the man wait for sex and jump through hoops. That doesn't seem like they want him entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:39 AM
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That is your perspective. You have to look at it from the man's perspective. Plus we are talking about not being hookup but husband. In my mind ( and a lot of men) husband should include hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:37 AM
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No where does it explicitly say a situation where the guy being told he’s husband material not hookup material is there a stipulation that the guy is being made to wait absurd times. That is the situation. My comment was that these guys are often waiting 1-2 months, 4-8 dates which is not even that long. And I agree with that and said it wasn't the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:43 AM
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Third paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:34 AM
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It’s also disingenuous to pretend that’s what this is about when guys here are salty if a woman wouldn’t have sex as soon as they would with a hookup aka immediately or close enough. That is exactly what the post and my argument is about. Also noticed how you changed the situation. It is not about sex right away but telling a man directly he is not hookup material but husband material. And in every case I have seen the woman makes him wait forever and jump through hoops. It’s such a minority it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:46 AM
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yes you hear stories of women with absurdly long time frames like 6 months but they are minority. And that is what we are talking about here. That situation. Recognizing it is a bad deal and moving on. But you get lots of push back for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:36 AM
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But they will make the husband material guy ( in the situation presented) do that before sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:27 AM
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I have seen women do it multiple times. I probably don't agree with it on how often it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:58 AM
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Third paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:51 AM
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