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Doesn’t matter, there’s still a risk so small people reasonably ignore it. And hazardous conditions implies significant increases in risk. You’re literally proving my point 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:58 PM
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The only thing I’m salty about is feminists like you brainwashing innocent girls into believing attraction is even remotely symmetrical when it completely isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:52 PM
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Mid 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:36 PM
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As meaningless as potentially getting into a car crash prevents people from driving cars.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:36 PM
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Be honest, would you rather fuck a average 18 year old at 18 or Brad Pitt?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:34 PM
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You provided a sauce for something meaningless. Men can still age like wine in that they become more attractive to women. I know I will be more attractive at 50 than I was at 20. I literally couldn’t handle women at 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:56 PM
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Great! No I’m not
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:53 PM
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That’s probably where all this animosity comes from. You truly believe the only reason we’d choose younger women is for the fact they have young bodies. Not all men are that shallow. Put it this way, if I could have a 40yo in an 18 yo body, or just an 18yo. I’d choose the 18yo every time. Whether for one night stand or marriage. Men just really don’t like bossbabes with baggage. And the exact same way we dislike the bossbabe mentality and personality, we’d love a woman who has fully developed he…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:51 PM
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I guess it’s a question of efficiency. As in if there’s boxes to carry men do it, not because women can’t do it. Also it’s better to be taken care of by loved ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:26 PM
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I guess it’s a question of efficiency. As in if there’s boxes to carry men do it, not because women can’t do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:25 PM
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I never argued men avoid older women because of increased birth defects. I argued they’re just generally unattractive. And it’s not, the risks are so low it’s not worth any consideration when it comes to picking between an attractive 50yo or an unattractive 20yo.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:18 PM
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I don’t even think it’s that. Age gaps give feminists the ick, not women intrinsically. All men are inherently opposed to high n count. 50 year old women find 50 year old men most attractive. So it’s ideology rather than inherent instinct as with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:56 PM
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Still, these numbers aren’t reason to drastically change any life plans, as the risks are still relatively low, Eisenberg said.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:48 PM
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That’s not how all this works. He won’t start dating you at 30 but he’ll love his wife of a decade all the more at 30. Grooming can go both ways, we don’t want “independent” feminist bossbabes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:09 PM
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I’m happy for you
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:03 PM
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❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:27 AM
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If hottest man in the world was 20 years older you’d have him. Feminists would decline, and expect to have the hottest man their age marry them in 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 11:47 PM
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Your right, it’s going to be far worse
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 10:03 PM
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Impossible to do the way feminists gaslight anyone who disagrees with them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:53 PM
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2 years godam!!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:51 PM
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It was tongue in cheek
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:37 PM
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Could be
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:35 PM
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💯
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:34 PM
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To show you that you either do have attraction for substantially older men, or are just extremely picky since you wouldn’t find an average dude attractive either and thus your aversion for older men should be taken with a grain of salt. Red pill ain’t a monolith. Ain’t nothing wrong with banging teenagers 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:32 PM
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Ain’t no beggars, mgtow are perfectly content remaining alone. If you want us, get it while you’re still prime.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:28 PM
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Because the men their age aren’t taking them seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:26 PM
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If you say so
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:24 PM
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Too many single women in their 30s and 40s for that to be true
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:24 PM
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The idea of not sleeping next to someone like you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:21 PM
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If you had to fuck one. Just play along
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:20 PM
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Golddigger😜
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:18 PM
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Your projecting. I was genuinely curious. Thanks for all the hostility.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:16 PM
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Stay single 💪
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:14 PM
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You don’t know the average 18 year old either. Make a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:13 PM
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Where did I give you personally any shred of advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:12 PM
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But overwhelming, female experience does nothing for male desire. Infact it’s mostly just considered baggage. The only positive is the feminist fairytale of “things in common “
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:04 PM
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Since when is asking a simple question “having difficulty dealing with reality”?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:01 PM
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Exactly. I recently heard of a family friend who always thought she’d be content staying alone. Then she had her first relationship at 39. She couldn’t get pregnant, so he left her after a couple years. Now she says something is missing, be single just isn’t enough.😢 I wish you all the best, stay strong❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:00 PM
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That was my whole question. I think you don’t understand that I was literally asking that and in all your solipsism thought I view age gaps like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:48 PM
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I disagree that my example is fringe but even if it were. How does my hypothetical refute reason and common sense??
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:46 PM
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Well done👏
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:41 PM
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Sauce?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:40 PM
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Which proves my point that they can’t get commitment from men they desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:38 PM
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What??🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:37 PM
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Well cats can’t sexually
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:34 PM
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Yes that’s the point. You’d turn him down because of the age gap. But when there’s no age gap he’d turn you down. Meaning you’re forever alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:33 PM
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Because many middle aged men want nothing to do with middle aged bossbabes. Did you even read OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:29 PM
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When I said age like wine I didn’t (just)mean in the looks department. Men often grow as men the more they age. Experience, character, wisdom, personality. Are all things you can grow exponentially as a man all throughout your life that are most desirable to the female gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:27 PM
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lol what did I just read🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:24 PM
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Yo don’t love him do you. “Die faster you bastard!”🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:23 PM
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That’s not what personal preference is. Would they rather be single or find Prince Charming?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:22 PM
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Ok chill no need to get carried away😂
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:21 PM
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No a different guy comes who similar to him but is now 40 and you’re 28.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:20 PM
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Because he’s not attracted to older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:19 PM
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I disagree with 1. and 3. but fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:17 PM
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You both think your young and hot😂
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:14 PM
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Then why are half of women under 44 single by 2030?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:13 PM
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Ok cool. I just never was implying someone should marry someone they don’t like. I would never do that. Just implying that maybe it’s smart broaden your horizon and not expect symmetrical attraction when you’re older because male female attraction is inherently asymmetrical.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:09 PM
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Because some men age like wine, and others might only be ready to commit at that age. I never disputed that. But almost half of young people are single. So it’s not like they’re a fringe exception of women and older men looking for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:06 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:01 PM
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Then you’d have him with you till you’re 80.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:00 PM
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For me it just means literally “attraction to relationship” for whatever reason that may be. Obviously not gold diggers because they’re attracted to money. But if you want to build a family with someone, they attract you in that way. If I didn’t want to build a family I’d never want a relationship with any woman ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:59 PM
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🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:55 PM
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He literally said 18 year olds who date 20+ years older have mental issues. Nothing about trends and outliers. And what is this “toxic” sperm you speak of? Evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:54 PM
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Well thought through
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:50 PM
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You think it’s personal preference that half of women under 44 will be single by 2030?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:48 PM
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You know what i mean. If not, read it again , and think really hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:45 PM
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You can find adventurous 40 year olds
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:42 PM
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It only absurd if you think men and women are even remotely the same. We’re yin and yang.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:41 PM
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Good answer
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:39 PM
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You can’t seriously not be getting this. Yes there are options your age, plenty. You just find them completely unattractive. Most women would have a handful of guys their age THEY KNOW would wife them up. There is just no attraction on their end.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:37 PM
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*your favourite middle aged celebrity vs a 18 yo when your 18
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:34 PM
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Good for you 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:32 PM
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That’s what I’m implying. You like him at 40, why not at 20? Men have everything to gain from being with women they actually like, not feminism tells them they should like.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:05 PM
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So cat lady it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:00 PM
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He’s whatever you want him to be. Only catch is he would never date you above 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:00 PM
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Then why are there more single childless women than ever, and growing?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:55 PM
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I thought “all women are different”?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:53 PM
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😢
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:44 PM
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Fair enough. Even if you were 18 and he was 40? That would still leave minimum 30 years for you to start a family and get the kids out the house with another fully capable adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:44 PM
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It’s a question of attraction to your available options.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:38 PM
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You said there’s “no such thing” now you’re saying “overestimate”… atleast I got you to concede;) And the example was for when you are 18
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:34 PM
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The type of man they turned down at 20 because of the age gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:31 PM
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Fair enough. Even if you were 18 and he was 40? That would still leave minimum 30 years for you to star a family and get the kids out the house with another fully capable adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:30 PM
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It’s to do with overall relationship attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:28 PM
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Oh ok. And it’s a question of attraction, it’s not that only older people would want to date you. A very real scenario modern women find themselves in, in that they aren’t attracted to anyone their age who would give them commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:54 PM
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Be honest, would you rather fuck a average 18 year old at 18 or Brad Pitt?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:45 PM
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What? You’d date older women but not men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:42 PM
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Fair enough. Even if you were 18 and he was 40? That would still leave minimum 30 years for you to star a family and get the kids out the house with another fully capable adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:41 PM
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I guess you’ve answered the question. The point is many feminists out of principle wouldn’t enter age gap relationships, rather just ride the carousel or look for someone their age and if they end up single later, then expect that type of man to wife them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:27 PM
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So niche women would desire intimacy from men who have 0 desire for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 02:12 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:48 AM
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So women would desire intimacy from men who have 0 desire for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:41 AM
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So women would desire intimacy from men who have 0 desire for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:38 AM
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You know what he means by self focused and are just gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:35 AM
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So women would desire intimacy from men who have 0 desire for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:32 AM
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Well women not fucking men isn’t different desire, it’s no desire. And you’re seriously telling me as a dude, you don’t know that most dudes are on the hunt just looking to get into a women’s pants, literally nothing more?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:33 PM
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Well women not fucking men isn’t different desire, it’s no desire. And you’re seriously telling me as a dude, you don’t know that most dudes are on the hunt just looking to get into a women’s pants, nothing more?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:32 PM
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I didn’t say tend, I said every single person you met.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:30 PM
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So let me get this straight, you believe all gay men with children are actually bi? Because gay men are incapable of having heterosexual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:28 PM
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Then how does it work?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:26 PM
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Well yes at the end of the day this is all subjective. Im not going to be able to convince you that seeing yourself as an object is bad if you believe otherwise. But one day you may see humanity differently and at best cringe at the way someone so close was treating your body so distant, handling it like a muppet. I guess the line between healthy and unhealthy mentally is always drawn more strict when you see yourself as more “humane” than others. But in the end, it’s all completely subjective, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:25 PM
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Not every woman. Some never leave their original mindset. But some grow and become disgusted by how they devalued themselves. And yes the receiving end was the point. That’s who’s being used by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:58 PM
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So now I can’t consent to sex? wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:53 PM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:51 PM
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Yes that’s because of puberty NOT stimulation. Never have I gotten a boner from jogging for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:50 PM
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What people are telling me what’s incorrect? And yes that is your theory. That doesn’t make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:48 PM
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Basically yes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:46 PM
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But if every single person you met liked ice cream, wouldn’t you assume that all people liked ice cream? Why would you assume otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:46 PM
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That a women’s sexual desire is completely obsessed with a man’s desire for her, this, above anything else. That men treat women like sex dolls or glorified masturbation devices. That women en mass realising there attachment disorders and growing in spirituality and love develop severe sexual trauma from their past experiences that they had enthusiastically pursued.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:42 PM
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Never said women don’t have their own sex drive. Women aren’t attracted to just sex, they’re attracted to the men desiring them for sex. If this desire is rooted in objectification, that’s self objectifying. It isn’t mentally healthy to have such little self respect for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:36 PM
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For the same reason men watch porn. The objective female body is in of itself satisfying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:31 PM
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Women aren’t attracted to just sex, they’re attracted to the men desiring them for sex. If this desire is rooted in objectification, that’s self objectifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:29 PM
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Actually, no women are telling me I’m wrong. They all agree that in order to desire sex they need male desire. They all agree that many men view the woman they sleep with as crap and don’t need any mutual desire. And many women in other spaces have come out saying their promiscuous past haunts them and was terrible even admitting if you had asked them then they would have lied saying they felt great and empowered. No men aren’t devalued from sex because women don’t devalue men they sleep with. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 06:07 PM
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But is your OP about feelings of lust and arousal; or just some compulsory mechanical “dick hard” “desire”?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:57 PM
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No I’m saying consensual sex is different depending on who you are and not the fact you gave consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:54 PM
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Do you have any evidence that consent without desire is harmful to anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:53 PM
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Consent is consent. But an aroused penis is just arousal, not consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:51 PM
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… if that’s what makes you sleep well at night
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:49 PM
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I believe you, I’ve done it. And sold myself the lie it was moral because it was consensual. But it was complete degradation. You can simultaneously hate and like someone, just as you can hate and like yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:47 PM
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You can’t have sex with your aroused penis without arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:45 PM
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Actually the 100s of comments are proving it to be fact. Most are just initially strawmans until we get down to it. And if women treat men and women differently sexually, then what you’re saying is obviously not true. Reality triumphs whatever logic you have stringed together in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:44 PM
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Thanks for bringing an answer actually rooted in reality not subjective morality . Yes of course you literally can’t consent with knowledge of language. But that’s a strawman, I wasn’t talking about that. I was talking about children who say yes and know what it means like anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:39 PM
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Mid 30s and my body count is low, but I really messed up a relationship in my 20s. To the point I realised the sweetest girls who tell you they wished they were virgin and understand how sacred sex is turn into the nastiest 304s imaginable when self hate takes over. Male sexuality is nothing like female sexuality. It isn’t I want this so I take this, female sexuality is all about how others view you and resulting self image. Daddy issues is fucking real. The same girl can absolutely hate somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:36 PM
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So how do you know people like ice cream? Through observation of behaviour maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:26 PM
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Observation. How do we know anything about anyone’s perspectives?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:24 PM
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Only as a teen, and nothing I could maintain having sex unaroused.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:23 PM
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If his penis is aroused, well so is he.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:21 PM
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Desire to be nice to her, or earn money, or any other reason, but not desire FOR her
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:20 PM
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Did I mention no consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:19 PM
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So what happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:18 PM
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But I do think I know humans generally would prefer to be with someone aroused by them.. sex is a team sport and if someone isn’t into it then it’s either paid for or non consensual. That has nothing to do with knowing men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:18 PM
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They prove women don’t want intimacy from men who are unaroused by them. Call it what you will. Women don’t want it. This is fact. Many men would if the roles are reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:16 PM
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Women only have desire for intimacy with men who are aroused by them, not men who consent. I’d go as far to say there are women who will rape men with an aroused penis. But still would never get intimate with men who consent but they know actually have 0 arousal for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:15 PM
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It can be both can’t it? Yet it can never NOT BE the one I mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:10 PM
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Never said women don’t find their own pleasure. Devaluing yourself isn’t healthy. Devaluing yourself lowers your own perception of your value by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:09 PM
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Consent is consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:05 PM
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It’s common for prison inmates to use an aroused penis on other men in prison because of lack of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:04 PM
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Bu this is just unrealistic, if enough times you encounter said experience and never have seen otherwise you will treat it as universal fact until proven otherwise. Capacity of bus and such are bad examples because they are based on human decisions and can be changed by any number of events, but biology ? If every single cat I meet acts one way why would I ever assume that biology would act another way?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:03 PM
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I don’t see how one can hold self respect, when actively taking pleasure in one’s own disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:57 PM
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Then reframe your case without saying “because lesbians”. That isn’t logic, that is your assumptions which I never agreed to. It’s not logical to say your assumptions are wrong because mine are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:25 PM
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I think this is a discussion about facts not moral judgments. If I say children can consent it doesn’t mean they should. If I say women shouldn’t consent it doesn’t mean they are unable to. You are starting to gaslight that morality and reality are to be considered the same thing when they obviously are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:22 PM
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Na men will sleep with anything, and marry completely naiv inexperienced sweethearts. They don’t care for looking up to a woman, some men who seriously lack self esteem might to compensate for their insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:18 PM
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If he’s fucking her there is desire even if the fuck was unwanted. An aroused penis takes arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:15 PM
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Never said masturbation was bad, just joked that it was also weird in response to people finding men shagging bare bums is weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:13 PM
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It’s based on the exact same validity and burden of proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:11 PM
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A guy can have no desire but still stick his fingers in her vag if she wanted to. This is fact. I don’t understand how this can be disputed. It’s just that no woman would sexually desire this no matter how attractive she found the guy before hand. Proving something about female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:10 PM
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Where did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:07 PM
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They can be. Because sex for a woman is enjoying a man’s perception of her. If his perception is devaluing, she’s enjoying her devaluation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:05 PM
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No, it implies nothing more than that sex has a different effect on women than on men. Hence why it can be bad for one, not the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:03 PM
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Then I guess all prison inmates are bi.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:00 PM
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Figure it out yourself dude, I’ve made my point. These examples aren’t meant to be likely, their meant to prove or disprove logical consistency in order to find truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:59 PM
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Men will sleep with women who consent. Women won’t get intimate with men who consent, unless they’re doing so with atleast some desire. It’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:57 PM
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You wish
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:53 PM
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So because you concede women only want sex when desired. Now all men otherwise are rapists? lol you feminists are so solipsistic you’ll outright witch hunt anyone who doesn’t play by your rulebook .
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:52 PM
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Or like saying being a hoe is fine because women be hoeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:49 PM
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Well like I said I haven’t inquired into lesbianism. But the laws of logic would conclude that if my observations are right, women do treat female partners exactly the same or you’re wrong and female sexuality can differ based on sex of partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:46 PM
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while it’s not wrong to make assumptions about people or places or general life based on experience, it’s really important to reflect that those experiences and patterns we find don’t translate into fact about the world as a whole. I don’t understand. Isn’t that literally what those assumptions are?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:42 PM
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I literally just explained
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:39 PM
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Of course they can. It just isn’t legally valid. Put it this way if we changed the law there’d be no difference. We’re talking about reality here, not law, reality absent of law.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:38 PM
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How is generalising humans NOT generalising men??
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:36 PM
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True, apart from the rape part.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:34 PM
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Men do it all the time and completely legally.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:33 PM
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that they only desire sex with men who desire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:32 PM
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Those men are better than them in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:31 PM
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The key here is beyond. You’re proving my point, women aren’t systematically reduced to just being a nut.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:30 PM
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So keep your dignity and stop enthusiastically gratifying those same men!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:28 PM
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Case in point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:26 PM
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Because no woman would want a man to touch her if he is completely unaroused by her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:25 PM
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Case in point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:23 PM
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No you don’t. You can consent without desire. Women do this ALL THE TIME. Everyone knows this. Stop fucking gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:22 PM
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People can be swayed, too many closeted gays with kids for that not to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:20 PM
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Prostitution to say the very least .
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:18 PM
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Still weird af
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:17 PM
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Im not saying there is or isn’t, I’m just talking of my observations of heterosexual relations. These can be completely true without me inquiring into lesbianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:16 PM
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She wouldn’t desire proceeding to sex if he continued to not like her
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:14 PM
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Sorry my bad. Why do you feel safe when sitting on a crowded bus? Is it because of objective facts or personal experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:12 PM
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Only crazy if she’s aroused he just wanna pump n dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:10 PM
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No it’s not. Do women desire sex from men who don’t desire them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:02 PM
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Because their pleasure IS how it impacts their male partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:01 PM
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Liking someone doesn’t mean you aren’t objectifying them while fucking. Far from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:57 PM
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You’re starting to get it;)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:55 PM
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You don’t know men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:54 PM
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Hypergamy isn’t limited to finances and education, far from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:53 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:52 PM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:50 PM
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Im not talking about crushing I’m talking about having literal intimacy with a man who has 0 desire to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:49 PM
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Gay men have sex(desire) with women all the time lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:47 PM
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So you’re saying desire has nothing to do with it. Women would have sex with men who are completely turned off by them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:47 PM
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Case in point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:46 PM
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Case and point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:45 PM
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Proof that statistics are absolute garbage
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:44 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:43 PM
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Stay strong 🤍
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:41 PM
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And so do you, so does every human
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:40 PM
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I’m not talking about lesbian sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:37 PM
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Enlighten me then
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:36 PM
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Enlighten me then?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:36 PM
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No, my premises is the idea that enjoying your own devaluation isn’t mentally healthy. Women aren’t attracted to just sex, they’re attracted to the men desiring them for sex. If this desire is rooted in objectification, that’s self objectifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:35 PM
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Then literally 99% of all our beliefs are no more than confirmation bias. And funny how you just edited out your demand for sTuDiEs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:32 PM
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How is clout sexual gratification? She into him because she hopes he’ll come around and for NO OTHER REASON. she wouldn’t let him touch her if she knew he was doing so COMPLETELY unaroused. Thats not true most men would absolutely sleep with women even if they knew the woman had absolutely no desire and was doing so out of ulterior motives .
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:27 PM
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How is clout sexual gratification? She into him because she hopes he’ll come around and for NO OTHER REASON. she wouldn’t let him touch her if she knew he was doing so COMPLETELY unaroused.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:25 PM
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She into him because she hopes he’ll come around and for NO OTHER REASON. she wouldn’t let him touch her if she knew he was doing so COMPLETELY unaroused.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:22 PM
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Low libido isn’t no libido. And which women marries an asexual man then complains about a dead bedroom🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:20 PM
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Wut?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:19 PM
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I wasn’t just talking about how men view women but primarily about how women view themselves. I’m not going to convince any feminist by saying “but men don’t like grrrr!”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:18 PM
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True, I’m an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:15 PM
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Would it feel nice if male desire didn’t arouse you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:14 PM
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Where has anyone said otherwise???
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:13 PM
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Yes. And I don’t hate myself, but I think we all have vices, sometimes tied to gender. Women can’t drive, men objectify sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:13 PM
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You’re acting like the whole OP doesn’t exist. What point were you trying to disprove by saying two people have sex because they’re aroused by eachother?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:11 PM
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You’re confusing actual intimacy with them, with hoping they would get to know you and something would develop. Put it this way. If one of those men walked up to you and said “ I still have absolutely no interest, but because I’m a good guy I’ll give you the experience of my fingers in your vagina for 5 min while I scroll on my phone”, would you be down?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:09 PM
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How can we speak on anyone’s experiences outside our brains?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:03 PM
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No I absolutely don’t. I also believe all drugs should be legal. That doesn’t mean I believe people should be encouraged to smoke crack. Women are encouraged, dare I say brainwashed, to let their bodies be used and be proud of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:02 PM
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Bro can’t stop spitting
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:58 PM
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It’s always gender wars with you feminists. Why can’t we just discuss gender essentialism without going tit for tat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:57 PM
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1000%. Future mothers are being DESTROYED😢
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:55 PM
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Most men jack off all day to a screen. Sounds pretty weird to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:52 PM
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I wasn’t necessarily talking about sex I was talking in general. I don’t need studies to know things about people. Infact the overwhelming majority of our beliefs on others are gathered without studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:51 PM
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You can consent to having sex with someone you’re disgusted by, women do it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:48 PM
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“They wouldn’t have sex with men without male desire.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:45 PM
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Not wanting isn’t the same as not being aroused. Sometimes arousal isn’t worth the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:43 PM
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You’re strawmanning. The point was if those female fans got offered a forced handjob by said male celebrity. Most if not all would decline. And if some did agree it would be for clout, not true sexual gratification. Women aren’t attracted to men who explicitly are disaroused by them, not just haven’t met them yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:42 PM
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It says something about the desire of women desiring to sleep with those men (promiscuous women).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:38 PM
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“They wouldn’t have sex with men without male desire.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:33 PM
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So you would desire sex with men who have 0 desire for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:32 PM
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How can any prove the human experience in of itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:30 PM
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Funny how “perpetuating the species” would be the absolute worst scenario in almost all casual sex. It’s like impersonal gratifying sex could actually have unwanted outcomes…. Hmmm
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:29 PM
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What’s the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:25 PM
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They would get married to virgins and have the most beautiful sex ever more than ever with wonderful beautiful babies🥰
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:23 PM
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When have you done this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:22 PM
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So you’re saying desire has nothing to do with it. Women would have sex with men who are completely turned off by them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:21 PM
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Would it feel nice if male desire didn’t arouse you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:19 PM
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That doesn’t sound like an answer
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:19 PM
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We do the same with children because they are different, why not with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:18 PM
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Hold up
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:16 PM
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I don’t need studies to know people’s self esteem is built by achievements, why would I need them to know it’s demolished by devaluations?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:15 PM
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It’s hypergamy, women only have sex with men better than them. Having sex as a man means holistic approval. Men have sex out of boredom, or literally out of hate. Rape has been a weapon of war since the dawn of humanity. Probably both experience and instinct gives women this insight. It is inherently inhumane.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:08 PM
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This is revenge not sexual desire🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 12:59 PM
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Because what I described only applies to women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 12:55 PM
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Most men will smash an ass sticking out a window.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 12:55 PM
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I don’t understand what this has to do with OP. Yes I agree, ALSO hoping for a relationship with a man who pumps and dumps makes it substantially worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 12:51 PM
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So women would desire sex with men who have 0 desire for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 12:44 PM
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What fish would you be frying that’s more important than mental health in current society?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 12:42 PM
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What about men who engage in it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 12:37 PM
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Of course it is, but what are the two people aroused by in eachother?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 12:35 PM
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Video?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 12:18 PM
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You haven’t seen Japanese porn. All women are smoking yet literally start crying when their breasts get fondled. Women only desire sex when desired, men don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:28 AM
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Even now you are proving his point. You are focused on playing with his perspective rather than just taking it as is. This power play of the others perception brings you satisfaction. Stop gaslighting. You know EXACTLY what was meant with “self focused”.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:21 AM
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No, narrative elements are essential to female desire, for men it’s just a bonus sometimes. This IS universal, not aVErAgE.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:16 AM
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The difference is woman’s desire is built on male desire. Male desire can benefit from woman’s desire but it isn’t a necessity. This is very important and IS black and white. Essentially woman can’t experience desire without being desired while men very much still can. This makes female and male sexuality inherently different and not just an all inclusive spectrum as gender egalitarianists push for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:14 AM
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This is the key and lock analogy. A man who “opens” a woman takes for his desires. A woman gives herself to man’s desires. This is why a woman who gives herself to anyone is a “cheap lock”, but a man who enters many women has proven himself of great value and respectability.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:07 AM
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Why would I get the state involved in my relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 10:38 AM
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Well atleast we heard it here first. The great relationship expert Lilith, is looking to build her relationship on mistrust. Why do think he’s lying? Are you projecting because you lie so often in discourse?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 11:08 PM
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Again stop gaslighting. You can look for something while doing something else. You can look for a relationship while hooking up. You know that’s what we meant. Stop reframing our intentions to fit your narrative and make yourself right. Stop trying to make him play by your rules. So it all comes down to trust issues, or “vetting”. You would have desire to immediately sleep with a potential boyfriend but you want to make sure you KNOW he’s not just there for sex. Great foundation to build a relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 10:56 PM
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Lies, no men get angry just for not being picked.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 10:27 PM
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/u/Gold_Supermarket1956 See how she immediately resorts to gaslighting? No he’s looking for a relationship and can’t understand why you would fuck someone within minutes your not in LOVE with but someone you do see potential for LOVE with you haven’t found desire to fuck yet. It’s almost like you’re far more attracted to the no stringz than your future husband…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 10:24 PM
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/u/Gold_Supermarket1956
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 10:18 PM
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The reason men are pissed that women don’t want to go 50/50 is because they are all hypocrites who then claim to be feminist, not because actually paying is such a big deal. If it actually comes out it is true that it’s perfectly fine to be a modern woman AND demand chivalry, then the modern man will realise he’s been completely duped. Since we can walk we’ve been taught to treat females completely equally and expect NOTHING in a relationship that we wouldn’t be willing to provide. Just for wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 10:08 PM
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I didn’t say you shouldn’t understand them or should repress them. You just made it seem like walking around lusting all day should never be seen as a vice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 07:34 PM
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I think point of telling women to not feel lust is to prevent them from acting on lust. Just as it’s not okay to want to murder because expressing/acting on that desire would always be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 07:00 PM
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Or chooses to function as a tradwife
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:10 PM
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But corporate slavery is a virtue right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:06 PM
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Your question was who’s the gold digger. That’s what I was answering. Yes I would, but someone has to protect and provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:49 PM
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Anything that is detrimental to her happiness and fulfilment. Feminism has convinced them relying on men is oppression. So now they do also “need” to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:47 PM
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Because a homemaker tradwife is most attractive and a mother staying at home can give endless love to her children. Also it’s usually the bossbabes who want men with the most money. They are only attracted to men who make more than them. If she earns 200k a year you have to make 300k. It’s the uneducated women who are just happy if the man provides what necessary to live comfortably.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:45 PM
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Women love men who protect and provide. So a man earns gold for both of them. A woman earns gold for herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:41 PM
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Because I want a SAHM
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:39 PM
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No one reading feels alone, you just lost an election crybaby
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 03:52 PM
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So who are you trying to convince? Or is it just a pro choice circlejerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:08 PM
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I never understood these monologues. The people who don’t think abortion is murder already know and fully support woman’s autonomy. And the people who do believe it’s murder aren’t gonna be convinced by something like “sexual expression to flourish”. Who are you actually trying to convince? Who is going to be sitting there saying “you know what, I was undecided on abortion but I didn’t think about women not having threesomes anymore so you got me”? The underlying message seems to be a gaslight o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 10:01 AM
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I feel attacked
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 10:04 PM
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I guess we’re not going to find common ground here. At the end of the day all this is based on subjective experience of people, we can’t objectively prove anything about the human experience. I will say though that I never said these are gendered dynamics. That was your assumption of my experiences. My experience is that Men react this way to both men AND women and vice versa. Infact I observe that men are much more lenient toward women who show disapproval than other men. And women avoid disapp…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 04:17 PM
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Yea ok, this explains a lot then because an irremovable part of the redpill is that it’s nature and can’t be changed. This, and only this, is what gives redpill its validity and cements it as truth (Neo breaking the matrix) in contrast to feminism. Without this, feminisms egalitarian claim on moral superiority will EASILY crush any ounce of redpill ambition and propel forward that we push on and resist any “patriarchal” socialisation until it ceases to exist. This is why it doesn’t just matter. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 10:41 PM
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With all this gender egalitarianism, what makes you a “redpill woman” if I may ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:50 PM
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Women are solipsistic. So they are naturally opposed to any worldview that doesn’t align with theirs. I’m not saying I believe in good and evil. But if anything is evil, it’s this “my way, or the highway“ mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:24 PM
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I never said that. Now will you answer the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 06:12 PM
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It was an example of being individually inherently evil yet still capable of becoming good. It wasn’t “source material”. And where are you getting “thought crimes” from? I’m talking about being responsible for alleviating great suffering around you if you have the capability. Or at least becoming aware of your potential to cause it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 06:09 PM
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Well at least we can find agreement
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 05:52 PM
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Great. Now will you answer the initial question why I bought up complaining to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 05:51 PM
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I called asking for support because keeping healthy is hard complaining, which it objectively is. And for the 3rd time, please answer, why are you suggesting dieting when your example was not being able to diet?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 05:46 PM
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“No, the only thing keeping love alive is passion. Which they are clearly lacking if they found more motivation to be better when alone.”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 05:41 PM
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I was referring to your point that you are generous and honest because it “It’s pretty natural to me actually — people that know me would say I’m notoriously generous and comically honest.“ Not the OP. So the part of you that is “sourced by all suffering in the world” is wrong? I don’t get your point. I do however believe in the Spider-Man qoute - “with great power comes great responsibility”, so yes, doing NOTHING in the face of responsibility can very much be “bad”. 3.Why is it ridiculous to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 05:37 PM
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Yes I agree passion doesn’t prevent aging, but it does prevent being a fat slob.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:42 PM
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I think exercising and dieting together would a great bonding experience and so everyone can understand how hard being healthy is. And nevertheless, your still suggesting dieting to solve a problem that supposedly occurred from not being able to eat healthy. Yes I agree. They get into relationships because it’s easier than being alone. Hence why they expect support for keeping in shape in a relationship but manage perfectly fine by themselves when single.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:40 PM
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I think exercising and dieting together would a great bonding experience and so everyone can understand how hard being healthy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:33 PM
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No, the only thing keeping love alive is passion. Which they are clearly lacking if they found more motivation to be better when alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:31 PM
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So you’re complaining about dieting, while using the excuse that you can’t diet??
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:29 PM
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Also some couples get fat together simply because they’ve already found someone so they don’t feel the need to be so strict like when they were dating That’s exactly what I’m getting at. How comes you’re motivated to stay in shape to find a relationship yet aren’t motivated to be attractive for literal LOVE?!?! Seems extremely disingenuous and selfish to me. Honestly, if I suspected this was the case, I’d definitely want them to find at minimum the motivation they had without love, by their own,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:25 PM
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My question would be, how comes you managed to keep off the weight for NO ONE, by yourself, when you were single before?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:08 PM
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You can desire without consent. It’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 03:38 PM
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That’s fair if you’ve succeeded, why take any criticism at all. But you said you don’t take criticism from men that fail where you find success, implying that you would take criticism from men who achieve what you have, and that you still haven’t succeeded where criticism is warranted. So again, why ignore criticism in an area where you desire improvement, just because someone hasn’t achieved what you deem valuable?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 01:43 PM
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If I didn’t, that wouldn’t mean I still don’t need to fart. It’s the fact you need to fart alone that people find disgusting. And they’d rather smell it and react, than find out you’ve been doing it behind their back all this time. I’m not talking about farts of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 01:17 PM
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What does failure have to do with knowledge?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 01:06 PM
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Bad comparison, farting is an innocent act. People don’t like wicked people no matter how they behave. If they manage to deceive them, all the worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 01:04 PM
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Thoughts ≠ reality. Reality is reality. This is the non sequitur. You assume that being nice, means you are nice. A truly nice person would understand that generosity is determined by effort, rather than output. Who is nicer, the person that gives away 9 billion and keeps 1 billion for themselves, or the person that gives you 10cents of their last dollar? I’m not saying you’re not nice, but being nice because “whatever” does not prove that generosity has any significant meaning to you. There are…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 12:46 PM
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No problem. I also don’t mind being seen as good;)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 05:29 AM
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So you should strive to be better than greed and deception, yet when it comes down to raw suffering, solipsism is the only true metric to measure this by? Sounds like you’re cherrypicking your “virtues”. Maybe the OP is just the question you yourself could never admit to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 05:15 AM
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Well I think recognising that need is a big first step. After that recognising that all life has intrinsic needs, and that these needs will inevitably clash with one another. If you really boil morality down to it’s core, all it concerns is the duality between pleasure and suffering. It has nothing to do with humanity, just experience and perspective, which ALL sentient life possess. Yet the natural order is that sentient life is in constant struggle with another for prosperity and survival. I b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 05:07 AM
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Unhelpful how? And yes I do believe honest cynicism is far more generous than any dishonest generosity. This is the nature of fair play in sports, where fighters can literally be trying to kill each other seconds before, or teams can be playing for a trophy they’ve worked for their whole lives and dreamt of since childhood, then shake hands and hug it out like brothers. For me Casey zander has a very levelheaded approach to female nature. He doesn’t see it as right or wrong, but just as is. Like…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:41 AM
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Do anxiety and insecurity not arise from desire? Why doesn’t she have anxiety for the people who suffer from her greed and deception rather than herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:18 AM
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It’s not that you’re avoiding accountability, it’s that your questioning seems to inherently focus around what YOU have to gain, rather than those you engage with. I’m not judging, but this logic is inherently cynical and thus contradicts with any honest generosity. If you want to be a better person, maybe humble yourself in looking at your motivation to be a better person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:16 AM
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The fact that you are asking proves that you don’t want to be generous and honest for their own sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:05 AM
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The fact that she seriously asks this question proves that it does and is
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 03:57 AM
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This seems like a meaningless question to be honest. If you are greedy and deceptive at core, will you not be generous and honest anyway to get you desired results?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 03:47 AM
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I think what you are describing is more black pill than red. The redpill aims to build all men up for success, the black pill states most men are fundamentally doomed. Creators like Casey Zander put information out that gives ANY guy, at ANY stage, a chance to substantially improve his game. Blue pill keeps the many guys who are stuck, stuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 06:45 PM
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You seem to lack self awareness, because all women are haha 😘
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 03:25 PM
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Yes they absolutely do. Many traditional men speak about how their most important role, even more important than being a provider, is to be THE ROCK, against which the wife’s emotional waves can crash.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 12:29 PM
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When a man is dominant to his tradwife. She is his slave. When a woman is dominant to her submissive man. She is his free therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 12:19 PM
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Do you see the irony, that when the trad roles are switched, the woman is still the oppressed one?🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 12:17 PM
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So if you also put no gos in boxes what’s the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:59 PM
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They don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:39 PM
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Watch them orgasm with a man disgusted by them. Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:06 PM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:01 PM
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if we didn’t want them to exist I guess we’d make do like the incels
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:00 PM
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Be honest, when you judge people by a nogo, you also put them into a box, you just don’t name the box as not to hurt their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:53 PM
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Yes minions, cause adults generally have a responsibility toward minors. But if an adult is a chain smoker, am I bad for selling him a pack a day? The same applies to promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:27 PM
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Yea that’s a typical female trait. To always never insult anyone, be politically correct. We men don’t think too much about it, we just say what it invokes in our minds. Ofcourse there’s more to you than just promiscuous sex, but that doesn’t concern us, so we just call you by what does. We absolutely don’t care for pleasantries. Don’t take it personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:24 PM
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Because what kind of tampons are you using to rip open your vagina? What kind of brutal sports are you playing? And masturbation 🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:53 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:49 PM
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I already said yes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:23 PM
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Why wouldn’t it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:22 PM
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Why are you assuming I’m lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:18 PM
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What do you mean by sex? Because using someone sexually is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:17 PM
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I think you’re reading more into this than there is. You probably have no gos when it comes to mate selection, that essentially also is a binary system. Our no gos are promiscuity, but it doesn’t mean we still won’t sleep with you. I think it just rubs women the wrong way that sexual desire isn’t a monolith for men like it is for women. You like to imagine that everyone who desires you also likes you as a person. When the realisation starts to hit that that’s not true it is a MASSIVE blow to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:16 PM
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Yes, but penile penetration cannot occur without desire. Sub consciousness desire doesn’t mean it’s not rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:54 PM
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Like I said loving sex is different
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:52 PM
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I repeat, men can’t have a boner without some form of arousal. Take that as you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:43 PM
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Objectification, using you as a masturbation device. The absence of humanity, and you enjoying the man for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:42 PM
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Why should a man be responsible for a woman’s bad decisions?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:38 PM
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Then I would get a boner from jogging
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:35 PM
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One aspect is innate subconscious psychology. Rape has been a weapon of war since the beginning of humanity. And we all know how war fond humans are. Apparently most men and women unwillingly fantasise of killing men and raping women. Objectification of women you actually don’t like could be resemblance of taking over a rival tribe.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:28 PM
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What’s the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:13 PM
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Seeking and requiring are not the same thing. I’m not saying female validation isn’t a benefit for many men, even most men, but it is a requirement for heterosexual female desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:12 PM
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Status contest in male lions. Mothering instinct in female lions
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:09 PM
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You can’t have a boner without attraction. Penile penetration requires arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:03 PM
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Loving sex isn’t. And I would consider all other objectification from the man’s perspective. Essentially like masturbation to porn. So yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:57 PM
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With sex I mean heterosexual sex. And I didn’t mean that women don’t physically enjoy sex. My point was they don’t enjoy sex absent male validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:55 PM
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When I say sex I mean heterosexual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:53 PM
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I don’t actually believe anyone needs sex. But I strongly believe men and women are inherently different, also in sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:52 PM
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That all species act psychologically very distinct to their sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:49 PM
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Because we ask ourselves who those guys are they want to have sex with
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:45 PM
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I’m only jumping on what your supplying
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:43 PM
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Then why do so many exclusively males enjoy otherwise? Or are you saying only men are psychologically unhealthy in that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:42 PM
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I don’t know any men who require emotional support or intimacy. Some might look for emotional support when feeling down, but not require by default. Much less find it through hooking up. Intimacy is nice, but men don’t need it to be fulfilled. Men require purpose and/or pleasure. I’ve never once heard man mention female validation or approval. It’s always “how to get her pants down.” and never “how to get her to like you”. Although I will admit, some men are intrinsically simps, and do find self…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:30 PM
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Because that’s what I observe. Women aren’t attracted to sexual dynamics where men aren’t attracted to them. You can agree to something you don’t enjoy, so no agreement is not validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 10:02 AM
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Degrading sex definitely is
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:59 AM
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I’ll answer when you do
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:56 AM
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I’m not saying female validation doesn’t help I’m saying it isn’t a prerequisite. All women need male validation to enjoy sex, men don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:56 AM
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Because that’s what degradation is
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:53 AM
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So what makes you think men and women aren’t the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:45 AM
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I’m a man, I would know better than you what men need.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:44 AM
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Because she’s turned on by someone expressing their contempt for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:43 AM
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Yes it does, if we aren’t the same our motivation behind behaviour will be different and thus holistically our behaviour should be judged differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:39 AM
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Both, attracted to and who are attracted to them. A prerequisite for male sexual desire isn’t female validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:36 AM
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No, sex is an expression of her self hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:33 AM
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If women and men aren’t the same how can their behaviour be considered the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:30 AM
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I think we still have different definitions of the complex. What I’m saying is it does very much matter which women he’s dating, because if she is virgin/low body count, if she is deemed “innocent” by his standard, he will NOT desire to have sex with her. You seem to be implying that any man who differentiates between whores and non whores in sexual desire, does so because of the MW complex. It’s not a fact. It’s your subjective opinion that women are and can be both hoes and marriage material, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 08:57 AM
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I assume you’d have some form of generalisation for strangers you meet, and since it isn’t split between the genders I’d assume it’s based on being a human. Even something as simple as assuming you’re safe on a bus full of 50 people is a generalisation, based on the actions of some. Thank you for being happy for me. But I don’t value truth on whether it makes me happy or not. I try to achieve happiness through determined truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:54 AM
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Because you make weird claims. You equated having lots of sex in a relationship with being a woman who has been with other men, being a promiscuous woman and dressing provocatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:44 AM
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But you can generalise all humans by the actions of some?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:39 AM
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Well the majority of men who want what you stated DONT have the complex because they very much will enjoy sex with their virgin wife. What these men don’t ever want to acknowledge is just as they want sex and relationships with women, women equally want sex, and relationships with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:38 AM
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Much of what I said was said colloquially. If you’re not trying to understand how I meant it, it is open to much interpretation. Slight hyperbole was also used to get the dynamics and point across. when I say sex I mean heterosexual relations, I don’t mean masturbation, I don’t even mean lesbian sex. Women have sex because they enjoy it. But they only enjoy it because men enjoy it. Ergo women wouldn’t have sex if men didn’t enjoy it. What I meant was it isn’t normal for women to enjoy sex absent…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:23 AM
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What makes you believe it’s the women you attract and not women in general? And there is no redpill for women. Traditionalism is well known. Feminism claimed women have always been oppressed and thus are now liberated to be like men, this is what redpill is in answer to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 07:02 AM
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Already have
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:52 AM
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I’m not - women enjoy sex, but only with men who are attracted to them. Where does that imply women don’t enjoy sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:38 AM
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Well that was my point, the very fact that you assume others to exist can be based on nothing but personal experience. This idea that personal experience is somehow subpar I find highly problematic. The overwhelming majority of our truths are gathered this way. It’s basically a form of gaslighting. We’re being told not to trust our own eyes to not contradict someone else’s moral agenda. If literally every experience you’ve ever had shows you one truth, and then someone comes along and says “it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:36 AM
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Maybe I phrased it confusingly the first time. Women enjoy sex and being stimulated. But only with men who are attracted to them. If this initial attraction isn’t there, women won’t enjoy sex. Thus women base desire for sex on male validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:11 AM
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In other words, people take pleasure in self hate. Women do it sexually. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s self hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:06 AM
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I’m confused. Where are they off track? And are you implying being harmful means you’re objectively wrong in some capacity? Yes, the truth can hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:01 AM
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Women and men aren’t the same. And thus being a woman and having sex with men, isn’t the same as being a man and having sex with women. To be considered hypocrisy, both acts would have to be identical.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:58 AM
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Just because you can’t prove something doesn’t mean it can’t be objectively true. Example, can you actually prove anyone exists apart from yourself? For all you know everyone could be part of a virtual reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:54 AM
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have sex. They still very much physically enjoy it, but only with men who enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:47 AM
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Like I said, it comes down to level of intimacy. Even if it’s her kink. Her kink still builds on male validation. She doesn’t enjoy being degraded, she enjoys men wanting to degrade her. She enjoys being seen as less than. She enjoys acceptance(sex), for being hated. It’s not on the level of any man’s kink because he is still the one in charge, he is still the initiator, the one being catered to. If I enjoy killing, it doesn’t mean it won’t come back and haunt me. We humans are complex, we can a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:43 AM
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Yes many people know their friends are fake/superficial and still actively spend time with them. I see no difference to casual flings or fwb, at the end of the day it all comes down to level of intimacy, not necessarily honesty. And yes because of this honesty can still be degrading. I can tell a woman I hate her and thus want to have sadistic sex with her and just because she consents doesn’t make it any less degrading or that she won’t regret it. Infact, I’d argue consenting or partaking in yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:24 AM
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That’s a real strawman - saying I said women don’t enjoy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:14 AM
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So you’d have sex with someone who’s disgusted by you? Because many many men would.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:03 AM
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Who does it hurt that you only have fake friends? I’d assume they also understand the nature of your friendship. Yes of course, but deciding something you did was undesirable doesn’t change that it affects who you to your core are. If war veterans come back from war and decide to be pacifists, they are still war veterans. I mean this completely sincerely, I do not see how a woman could really realise how inherently degrading casual sex is with random men, and not be deeply traumatised she willin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:57 AM
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Care to show some evidence psychological needs are equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:48 AM
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I wasn’t commenting on the initial post. Nevertheless, I think the word you’re looking for is contradiction, not hypocrisy. Yes many men have two opposing mating strategies. I’d say it’s up to each individually which he prioritises for overall society, but most I’d say would rather want to find a wife than have endless hookups. Doesn’t mean they won’t or shouldn’t pursue endless hookups if the opportunity presents it’s self .
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:47 AM
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Well they actively aren’t desiring those relationships. Whether they will in future who knows. But that is not the person who they currently are. If I rape, that doesn’t mean I can’t engage in consensual sex. But will I be judged differently as someone who doesn’t rape, of fucking course.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:39 AM
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Because psychological needs are not the same as physical survival. An extrovert and introvert can have completely different psychological needs but still need the same food and water. The same applies to the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:36 AM
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Because psychological needs are not the same as physical survival. An extrovert and introvert can have completely different psychological needs but still need the same food and water. The same applies to the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:35 AM
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By that logic, promiscuous women should enjoy rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:29 AM
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If you’re trying to say I’m arguing biology, yes I 100% am.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:28 AM
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How did I confirm your point? I literally said all women fit into rp ideology and that none of yours approach to sex “piss us off”.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:25 AM
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Yea OPs completely and utterly mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:22 AM
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Enjoying sex in relationships/marriage has nothing to do with enjoying sex outside commitment. Those two can and very often are, diametrically opposed. This logic would be like saying if you enjoy sex you should enjoy being raped. It’s both sex. No. Consent makes worlds of a difference, just as commitment does.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:20 AM
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The Madonna whore complex is when a man only desires to have sex with whores, feeling that Madonna’s are too pure for his animalistic urges. This also demonstrates why men want sex and relationships from women for COMPLETELY different reasons than women do from men. If I may ask, what made you believe this desire was equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:16 AM
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No hymen no diamond is where the strongest bond is at bro
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:07 AM
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Sorry I didn’t mean to insult, I was just using the verbiage many blue pill women here also use. I didn’t say women don’t physically enjoy sex. I said they only desire sex with some form of validation. It makes them a “bad” person, not in an ethical sense. But in the sense that they desire cheap validation, and thus overall less intimate and meaningful relationships. If I have 5 fake friends who I meet and chill yet never really listen or talk to. Or I have 5 friends who I spend much intimate ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:05 AM
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So you need a strong bond. Well then you have your explanation why. Some men just draw the line at 0 rather than 30+.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:51 AM
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Because only feminists assume men and women need or desire the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:49 AM
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You still haven’t explained why?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:48 AM
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Women have sex for validation, with men who objectify them. Men have sex for sex, with women who admire them. Double standard implies it’s the same, judged by a different standard. When it clearly isn’t the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:46 AM
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Why would you be intimidated?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:43 AM
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Yes, and thus they only like sex when it’s a form of validation. I wouldn’t say they want any validation more than love. Since love is the highest form of validation. But whores also enjoy cheap validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:38 AM
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Can you actually read?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:30 AM
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Because she doesn’t like sex but she loves love. So she loves loving sex inside a marriage, anything else is abhorrent for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:27 AM
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You’re wrong, men have sex because men enjoy it, women have sex because men enjoy it. Women wouldn’t have sex if men didn’t enjoy it, men would still have sex if women didn’t enjoy it. monumental difference. In essence it isn’t normal for women to enjoy sex, it’s normal for women to enjoy male validation. And to enjoy cheap validation over someone who looks for something more meaningful definitely changes you as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:25 AM
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If you fall outside potential marriage you are automatically a whore. It’s pure projection to assume that because you don’t see yourselves as whores, we must also. Yes some whores are more vulgar than others, but to a real rp guy, there is no in between. That’s a feminist myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:11 AM
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Depends completely upon the individual, whether they prioritise finding a wife or having ons. Redpill is about objective truths, not social change or political direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:07 AM
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For the reason alone that men look down upon promiscuous women, women should not be promiscuous. Why would you engage in something with someone who hates you for it? And why would you expect others not to judge you for that? It will always come down to this, sex is inherently asymmetrical. But this fact clashes with our feminist world view so we act as though it doesn’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:02 AM
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No trust, no modesty, no chastity. I don’t care that she not been penetrated, she’s obviously for the streetz.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:23 PM
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I’d go to war against modern women
/r/MensRights23/12/24 03:40 AM
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Because women are always honest of course
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 02:18 AM
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If that where true then the men who impress women the easiest wouldn’t be most involved in age gap relations. Leo could easily impress any woman his age he wants, yet he sticks exclusively to sub 25. Where as average Joe doesn’t have a sniff with women half his age.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 11:26 AM
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So essentially democratic moralism. I mean I guess you can have any opinion you want. But I still don’t actually understand why more people agreeing on something, makes it closer to objective moralism in your opinion. But I understand now that you agree that this statement is also purely subjective. I just don’t understand the logic behind it. Any way that might just be my problem, and if you have found your order in the chaos I guess that’s a positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 07:50 PM
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You’re moving the goal posts here. The argument for authority isn’t that you know more about your subject than they do, the argument is you’re generally more developed or experienced. Age of consent doesn’t mean anyone is more experienced at being the minor than the minor. It just means we have enough general experience to impose our authority on the minor. Parents objectively have more life experience, which could equally be used as a justification for authority. So you think my bias makes me b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:33 PM
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Never met a woman who was not emotional, women don’t say what they think they say what they feel. And if you disapprove of them or their ideologies they are ALL deeply deeply offended and hurt or hate you, or both. The overwhelming majority of men are nothing like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:12 PM
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Men can be like that but all women are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:08 PM
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Their emotionality and lack of composure, their collective mentality and willingness to follow the group dynamic, whatever that may be. They behave like children. I won’t have any evidence for it, but you don’t have any evidence for them being equally “adult “ either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:07 PM
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That’s my personal belief that isn’t (yet) mainstream redpill belief. And I feel like you’re constantly strawmanning my position. I never said personality is irrelevant just shared interest, and I’ve never heard any rp person claim personality is irrelevant, I believe it’s just to vague a profile to lecture or debate anybody on. You can perfectly well have intellectual conversations with women, just as with children. Intelligence and experience is the metric that determines this, not necessarily…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:55 PM
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Why is personality irrelevant in literally ANY meaningful relationship. I think this says more about you than it does about us.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:22 PM
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Does feminism/feminist values not frown upon age gap relationships, specifically those of experienced men and vulnerable young women. The amount of times I’ve been called a pedo for saying men of all ages prefer 18-23 year old women. “Equals” because women and men will never be truly equal. You can only create the illusion. Like transgenderism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:20 PM
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I don’t think you can generalise redpill in that way. Some promote male promiscuity, some don’t. But it is overwhelmingly true that redpill acknowledges that high body counts aren’t a negative for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:15 PM
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Like I said, women fit into the culture narrative. There’s a famous quote it goes something along the lines of this: *Why try and convince women? If we win, they’ll join us. If we lose, they’ll abandon us anyway.* <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:11 PM
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I agree with you but I think it runs deeper than that. Feminism only truly works if you can establish the dogma that women and men are truly equal. If you want equal promiscuity you either have to immensely reduce mens appetite, or completely abolish any female inhibitions. Your not going to get men to dislike casual sex so the result is to assume women overwhelmingly want or atleast can have lots of carefree casual sex as-well…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 03:57 PM
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That largely depends on the personality. I mean what’s going on when you spend time with a baby or toddler or child. It’s hard to say and can be different every time. I don’t plan out that shit. And we also don’t share interests. And before you say it, yes, women are children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 03:51 PM
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To your example with the nice guy/bad boy dynamic. This is already changing, except only with 30+ year old women. They start to desire nice guys. The problem is men don’t want these women. Feminism would still consider this patriarchy, and any attempt to convince 20s women to choose nice guys because they are what men prefer, an extension of patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 03:46 PM
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Sure, it was just to show that you don’t need shared interests for soul love, and to not only want sex. Unless you do still disagree and think that for human love you DO need shared interests.?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 03:09 PM
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A social norm for “the entire history of mankind” was, no hymen no diamond. Yet that would be seen as super radical today. That’s the problem, anything that was seen as normal feminism has dismantled through “dismantling the patriarchy”. You’re not going to return to social norms without radical change, aka redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:56 PM
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No, but I consider human affection far more similar to dog affection. Than dog affection to using women for sex, men for money etc. the point I was trying to make with the dog was the ability to fall in love with someone’s soul. I’m not sure most people even have that. I didn’t have it for the first part of my life. I wasn’t trying to compare the worth of women to that of dogs. To make it absolutely clear, yes I value human relationships more than dog relationships. But I don’t think it’s unlike…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:42 PM
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Of course you had to bring it there. Does a dog not have a soul? Why can’t I appreciate a dog for its soul. I don’t need to be interested in chasing balls or sniffing butts, or even having sex with a dog, for hanging out with my dog to be the highlight of my day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:24 PM
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I disagree, specifically when in comparison to a younger broke 20 year old. For men the roles are flipped. That was my point. I’m not saying 15-20 years older is the perfect demographic. I already conceded young Leo is preferable over middle aged Clooney. Yet middle aged Clooney is still ahead 99% of Leo’s peers. Because men have FAR more to offer to fall in love with than purely prime physique, far more. To the point I would consider just prime physique by itself to actually be a minimal factor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:08 PM
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You equate shared interests with shared experiences and love for each other selves. I specifically stated appreciation for the other, why do you assume that means sex? I can enjoy spending time with my dog, yet I doubt we would be considered to have shared interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 01:57 PM
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Like I explained, personality is too vague to elaborate on other than that it’s outlined by gender essentialism. And shared interests play minimal to no role in gender essentialism. If interests were a priority for marriage I would marry a mate. This idea of partnership and shared input is purely a modern feminist 50/50 ideal. Heterosexual love is stronger imo when NOT built upon shared instrests but actual attraction and appreciation for the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 01:26 PM
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Both can be true, yes attraction is relevant. But building relationship on attraction alone is suicidal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 01:18 PM
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Well I was going off of OPs comment on rp value in men vs value in women. There is still far more to rp, including advice on relationship dynamics between male and female and innate male and fema desire. So yes rp has alot to offer in maintaining healthy relationships as well, but that is still less about the central aspects of personality and more about the realities of gender essentialism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 01:15 PM
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They are initial attraction triggers, they are not all that is important. They are also much more substantial and simpler to improve upon than vague concepts like personality. 2mil is more than 1mil in the bank, a 23yo women is hotter than at 33, there is no such standard for personality. Thus teaching or coaching someone on attraction is reduced predominantly to the former. As they are initial attraction triggers, optimally, they decrease in significance in authentic LTRs, while other attribute…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 12:35 PM
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You don’t reason attraction. You either are, or you are not. I think we just have different definitions for attraction. For me it doesn’t mean wanting to be with somebody, it means liking somebody, and not what they have to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 11:24 AM
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Rp is about revealing the truth behind the feminist lie of equality. Exiting the matrix. Attraction is one part of it, but overall it’s ridding yourself of the feminist gynocentric expectations society places on everyone. Freeing yourself of this gynocentric tyranny is what is considered the men rights aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 11:18 AM
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But you literally said what humans want is agency. How is that(out side of subjective moral criteria) any different of an assertion?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 11:13 AM
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We live in society, our agency is always reduced by cooperating with those around us. This has benefits, disadvantages, and yes, also expectations. We’re expected to work, contribute, be kind, be WOKE (since feminism has destroyed the concept of biological sex entirely), pay taxes etc. you can lament rps idea of masculinity as much as you want, objectively, it is only a subjective cultural standard, just like any other one. And honestly I feel much more free in traditionalism where i basically j…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 11:08 AM
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Again Im Talking about attraction to celebs. Not benefits of dating celebs. So 18 yo women would be attracted to 35 year old men? You’re proving my point. And what about success? You think young 23 yo women are generally more attracted to younger broke 20yo than experienced rich successful 40yo? The prime for women is 18-23
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:44 AM
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I’m not begging you todo shit. But if you come crying that you hit the wall all alone imma tell the next generation of women why .
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:47 PM
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Why are you framing positions? I never advocated for policy or “more than freedom “ whatever that means. And what does anything I said have to do with women being irrational. wtf am I reading?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:43 PM
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No did I say women are?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:40 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:39 PM
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What obvious reasons? I wouldn’t want an older woman just because she’s a star. What is prime for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:36 PM
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Whatever man you know what I’m getting at. Now your just being anal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:26 PM
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That’s my point, accomplishments aren’t a metric for equality. Gender essentialism isn’t disproven by women climbing Mount Everest, or beating men at chess, or selling best seller novels. These achievements in no way disprove the existence of inherent differences in male and female desire, innate values, consciousness and perception. It literally proves nothing other than their ability to achieve that singular accomplishment. No. That doesn’t work. People who share the same values break eachothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:04 PM
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Arguably, the greater experience of the parents and the fact you have multiple perspectives over a one sided view are two factors that could cause arranged marriage to be considered competent enough for an educated choice. But even if I grant the parents aren’t able to process it either, the two factors still determine they could process it to a greater degree. Maybe nobody’s ever ready to process ltrs, but it’s still better to make a 14 yo wait till she’s 18 to start a relationship with a 40 yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:55 PM
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In the context of arranged marriage and “fine, no security”, he clearly gave an example where the woman herself had complete authority and asked if you approved of her authority, implied through previous context. But it’s ok, I forgive you, I know women have a hard time thinking😘
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:05 PM
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I said the wider population. Not the wide world. And I’m from Europe, we shake hands, never kissed a single man on the cheek.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:00 PM
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Because you’re not attracted to the person your just using them for money. Not saying women don’t do this. But women also find financial success and status attractive in men. Men typically don’t. And don’t lie, if your favourite celebrity was 10 years older you wouldn’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:56 PM
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Well that doesn’t mean they’re wrong. If anything, there are barely any feminine women, so they could be precisely the men to become excellence. Who knows, maybe we could’ve even fallen in love - if you weren’t such a b@#ch😘
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:52 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/spbfvhdcav7e1.png?width=1125&format=png&auto=webp&s=875ad0a707e90b8bc4481de3eec79c1e78b5f6cc A poem I would like to share with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:43 PM
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Yea I disagree, measure of harm to others by itself is completely subjective. Sure you can go by war famine etc. but like you said with you parents, forcing others into something that there incompatible with is also a form of harm. Being married to someone you hate can be considered a wasted life. At the end of the day harm, which in essence is suffering, is just as subjective as good. You can only really know your own experience. And even then you have completely no idea what you want tomorrow,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:40 PM
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Yes of course cows are completely different. The point was to show that just as some might be of the opinion individual fully developed cows are never competent of some tasks, some might consider individual fully developed humans never competent of other tasks. Hence believing parental guidance, through arranged marriage, is the best solution. But who decides what these facts are and when/if they’re enough. It seems to always end with the same truth, the idea of competence in educated consent is…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:28 PM
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So you don’t think the wider population shakes hands when greeted?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:08 PM
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That’s not attraction that’s gold digging.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:07 PM
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There’s a difference between gold digging and genuine attraction for success and status. And I honestly couldn’t care less how the top 5% live. I’m just pessimistic because I can’t find a blond blue eyed virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:06 PM
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Empirical evidence for gender equality? How about all the progress women made in academic achievement and workplace achievement despite systemically not being allowed in those fields forever and considered unsuitable for those roles? And a dog can run as fast as me, a cat can jump as high as me, what’s your point? As for relationships, how about the fact that homosexual relationships exist and for the most part work just fine based on many metrics? My argument was to avoid conflict between man a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:02 PM
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As I suspected, you misunderstood me. The men I was describing who would be worth it, would exist if you were feminine. They wouldn’t be mediocre. Mediocrity is the result of men not induced to excellence by feminine women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:56 PM
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Most of our knowledge is gathered empirically. I don’t need a study to know people like it when you shake their hand upon greeting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:37 PM
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My point was prime attraction. And I said many times that this is predominantly looks for women but not for men. Yes wealth is also attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:26 PM
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That’s the norm of hook up culture. And yes many women in there 20s in ltr will be with guys who never plan on wifeing them, and because of feminist equality they are unaware and project the female desire for relationship onto men and expect the desire for a lifetime mate when that could not be further from the truth. That isn’t really better she still got used in her prime by Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:18 PM
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You don’t call your man daddy in bed? That sounds boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:11 PM
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I mean pull out method worked for me. And I doubt that the higher birth rates in poverty come down to “people can’t resist their sexual urges”. It seems more likely to me that educated women from wealthier demographics just have different priorities than growing the family. I fail to see how their is empirical evidence for gender equality. I never made the point women couldn’t substantially contribute to the workforce, just the point that they should know their role in the relationship, and yes …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:06 PM
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Would you marry a man with no job and no vision for his future?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:06 PM
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No I’m not. Now please answer my question so I know you understand. What man am I describing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:05 PM
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I can’t confirm it either, and someone could come along and tell me “humans are basically good” and provide a bunch of examples. But just based on what I’m able to observe, I think it is fair to say that a modern society that is “good” (however we choose to define that) is something that, while good to strive for, is impossible to perfect given human nature. It’s good because the byproducts are, mostly, good. Or, to think about the inverse, not striving for it would increase the level of “bad” b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:01 PM
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Because they describe the dynamic as evil “slave to a man”. They don’t just say I personally don’t want it. And they describe any man as evil who wants it from them or any other women in general. You don’t know how many times women have accused me personally of this. I’m a misogynist because I want this in feminists eyes. Great so the only difference between you serving strangers with a grin on your face and you serving your husband with a grin on your face is a paycheck with your name on it. Ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:47 PM
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Haha makes sense now. I was about to give you your flowers for being this way and being a woman. But you just a dude😂👊
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:40 PM
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I never said that. I’m just pointing out that the perceived level of maturity needed for those decisions is completely arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:38 PM
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I didn’t say finances wouldn’t matter for potential marriage prospects, but poor people marry regardless, and finances wouldn’t matter for having children. There is an inherent nature to the sexes. Feminism denies this. The sexes knowing their place in the relationship would lead to far far less conflict. That’s all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:36 PM
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Well if you understand why don’t you repeat it then we’ll know for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:29 PM
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Well than if it’s only good for you and not for me is it really good? Is the inverse really bad? Sounds EXACTLY like any other selfish preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:28 PM
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Not fat
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:25 PM
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Women rarely say anything directly to eachothers face. “Do I look good?” The answer is always 100%. But the underlying narrative of the oppressive patriarchy is ever present. Too many young women out their saying they don’t want to be a man’s slave (but become a corporate slave lol) for that not to be true. They may not directly say it’s evil for others, but they do indirectly by saying it’s evil for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:23 PM
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I don’t believe you, the yacht parties say otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:17 PM
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How tf did you jump from 30s woman, to 60 and 25yo men?? 2 points here: Because of feminism, i don’t think she had nearly enough serious encounters with men that age to actually find any attractive ones, because feminism discourages intermingling of sexual age demographics. most have also been brainwashed to search for “equals” and she also wanted a partnership rather than more of a patriarchal mentorship. (Because that’s oppressive grooming of course) And 3. Marriage isn’t about sex. And yes yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:16 PM
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So who’d you rather have fucked at 17, Brad Pitt, or a bang average 18 yo working at mcds?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:06 PM
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No, feminism preaches patriarchal oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:04 PM
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Because women aren’t attracted to unambitious men, and men are attracted to uncombative submissive women. But believe me in a dream world, I totally would stay at home with the fam AND my wife all day. I don’t give a fuck about being part of society. And I believe ever more men don’t. We’re just inspired to do it to protect, provide and lead beautiful feminine women. I don’t want to force women to do anything and I have no interest in kids as a single dad. Authority would be to concentrated in o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:01 PM
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These single and divorced women were also sold the lie. The point is if you weren’t indoctrinated by feminism, divorce rates wouldn’t skyrocket, guys would be masculine leaders, cost of living wouldn’t matter to you. You can use as many current day scenarios and examples as you like, the point is, they have all currently bought into and operate on the lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:52 PM
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I think you misunderstood
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:48 PM
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Well that’s the curse of all caring authority, not knowing or assuming to know what there protectorate actually needs. I guess you made some valid points. I’m not saying I agree with them. But they are consistent explanations to differentiate between the two scenarios. Btw are you a man? For some reason this whole time I thought you were a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:47 PM
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just stating the inverse of good is not actually a definition. You have yet to define what good or bad actually is. Just subjective agreement, or objective truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:39 PM
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It was incite into female sexuality, you value different things in men than peak physicality was all I was pointing out. This is reflected in middle age women liking middle aged men. So middle age men compare far better to 20 yo men than middle aged women to 20 yo women, even for 20 yo girls. True women do go down in looks. But just because initially looks was the main attraction trigger, doesn’t mean throughout years of a marriage other attraction triggers can’t IMMENSELY(!!!) grow. True I woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:33 PM
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As OP stated. Your true goals are innate human connection and fulfilment in relationship and family. Feminism has masked that with overcoming oppression and supposed acquiring of “respect”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:14 PM
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That’s the number one feminist lie, they tell you you have more options and freedom all while shaming any women with no career ambitions and for being subservient to husbands and fathers. Basically framing you as traitors to female emancipation from the patriarchy. Essentially feminist “slutshamming”. you can do it. But society will make you feel absolutely disgusting for doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:11 PM
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Does that matter? A woman’s prime is in her 20s because ALL men find her most attractive then. Even if girls prefer Leo, middle age Pitt or Clooney still slay in comparison to 99% of 20 yo, and overall 30s to 40s is most attractive for ALL women (prime).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:06 PM
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Exactly, feminism 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:00 PM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:57 PM
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Bossbabe is just the overall idea of prioritising a career. Again, if women saw themselves primarily as mothers and wives, the cost of living wouldn’t matter. The poorest countries have by far the most children. And past birth rates were higher with less wealth. Because men want families and not single fatherhood?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:54 PM
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Well the inverse was my point so clearly I’m not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:50 PM
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Because they’ve been sold the lie, “you can have it all”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:49 PM
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Point in case. “I’m equal!” “How are you equal?” “Go figure it out yourself. Not my problem you don’t know.”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:45 PM
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But she wants to marry, and now is post wall and isn’t. All I’m saying is better a decent well off 35 year old at 20 than being 35 with cats and wine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:40 PM
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Actually most women were against having the right to vote. If it were up to women you’d never received the right. Rich lobbyists pushed it through, and we all know lobbyists aren’t the most altruistic bunch… I’m not saying this proves either side. Just that women by and large always side with the status quo, with what the current culture pushes. Feminism as an ideology is no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:37 PM
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Millions of 20 year olds hotter than her. She has naturally big tits, that’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:32 PM
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Your only seeing half the picture here. Btw when I said older men I just meant men older than them, not that 20+ years is prime female desire. Nevertheless middle aged women still voted a 45(!) year old SEXIEST MAN ALIVE. That could NEVER happen with men any age. Early 30s ABSOLUTE max for sexiest woman. Which comes back to straight outta high school world at her feet. They are in their prime to choose from ALL men of all demographics. Sure most 20 year olds would pick young Leo over middle aged…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:25 PM
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Are you really trying to argue women and men’s sex appeal is completely symmetrical with age? Otherwise I don’t know what fucking point you’re trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:01 PM
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Yea I got that, I was just pointing out that it is completely irrelevant to the case OP is making that men just don’t want bossbabes, and don’t want to pick up chad’s sloppy seconds once her looks start to deteriorate, even if she’s still smoking hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:58 PM
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Wow, ONE Hollywood actor said a co star was attractive trying to sell his own movies (AND seem politically correct!)🍿 It’s Hollywood. They’re all gay and think men can be women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:55 PM
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having qualities or an appearance traditionally associated with men or boys. Again, what qualities?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:53 PM
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I mean after the Great Depression. Fine 70 years ago. Same point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:50 PM
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I completely agree. But you don’t think this is predominantly down to the “bossbabe” narrative OP was stating? You don’t think wanting to get educated and start a career means aiming for marriage/getting pregnant in your late 20s/early 30s? Means prioritising getting back in the workforce as soon as possible after pregnancy and delaying next child until first is “reasonably” self sufficient? Put it this way, what WOULD women do if they were all not feminist, and wired to finding a husband and st…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:48 PM
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Lemme guess, your also looking for an equal relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:33 PM
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Elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:31 PM
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Not true. Feminism preaches men and women are equal and any differences are patriarchal. It immensely frowns upon any gender roles. Feminism being mainstream and women being agreeable and far more inclined to “share the dominant narrative” essentially leaves most women feeling like they DONT have a choice to be submissive and (traditionally) feminine, because it is weak, pathetic and oppressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:30 PM
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The point is George Clooney was the sex symbol in his 50s. Any women claiming to be THE sex symbol past 35 is flat out lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:25 PM
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And how old was George Clooney 15 years ago? Definitely not peak physique
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:22 PM
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Delusional take
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:20 PM
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Yes they are, they are superior in being masculine and feminine. So what are these traits in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:19 PM
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No, “that reach” is the whole premises for this discussion. But typically you feminists just strawman positions to make yourselves right. Somehow you conflate your deepest beliefs with objective truths. And then think the only reasonable discourse is to project these “objective truths” on everyone else. I would advise you to engage in a more “first principles” approach when debating the redpill. Otherwise discussions will just disintegrate into partisanship and ad hominems.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:58 PM
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What man am I describing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:50 PM
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Again, this is all the result of feminism trying its best to equal out the sexes against inherent nature. If feminism didn’t exist, ALL marriage demographic would have substantially more success, most specially those between the youngest of adults. Traditionalism would give them structure. “Standing on the shoulders of giants” as they say. If feminism didn’t exist age gaps wouldn’t be fround upon, women would be looking more for stronger providers instead of “50/50”s, men would develop more masc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:31 PM
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I think I misinterpreted birth rate as overall birth rather than ratio of births. But nevertheless, the birth rate doesn’t go down because of people getting old but like you said because of trends. In other words the birth rate goes down because the birth rate went down. These old people didn’t have the children in their fertile years like previous generations, otherwise the birth rate would have remained.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:24 PM
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Fabulous
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:09 PM
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If they are equal then what makes them masculine or feminine to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:08 PM
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Because a man’s prime isn’t defined by his peak physical, a woman’s is. There’s a reason women flock to George Clooney and men don’t flock to meryl Streep.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:06 PM
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If you utmost desire is to be forever alone. Sure. But most women want more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:03 PM
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Why would I spend my days with a 304?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:00 PM
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What is this logic? The birth rate is declining because we have more old ppl?? No we have more old ppl as a result of declining birth rate. Translation. Yes a stable birth rate will ALWAYS decline when under the replacement rate of 2.1 And we don’t agree to disagree. You agree to disagree with your self. No one single cause is making the birth rate drop. Literally refutes Without them interacting with each other I feel we may have more of a maintain or gradually declining
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:54 AM
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What is this logic? The birth rate is declining because we have more old ppl?? No we have more old ppl as a result of declining birth rate. Translation. Yes a stable birth rate will ALWAYS decline when under the replacement rate of 2.1 And we don’t agree to disagree. You agree to disagree with your self. No one single cause is making the birth rate drop. Literally refutes Without them interacting with each other I feel we may have more of a maintain or gradually declining
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:53 AM
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I don’t see a lot of men who are willing to be a partner like he is. Did i miss understand you there? lol your considered feminine by men who see you as equal 🤣 you can’t make this shit up!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:43 AM
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Firstly not getting your dick wet is not the same as not having success on the dating market. That you reduce everything to sex is precisely the problem with the dating market. Secondly that you consider nazi germany to objectively be hyperbole is PRECISELY my point. Feminist solipsism is rampant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:40 AM
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Yes but they still INDIVIDUALLY cause the birthrate to plummet. So OPs assertion is objectively not wrong. When people say “no single cause…” they usually mean the individual aspects only have a collective effect, and not by themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:36 AM
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Again your husband is not most men. You claimed most men aren’t pursuing marriage. I explained exactly why. The exception proves the rule. Yea only if your career is being a nurse, flight attendant, secretary etc
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:33 AM
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Women collectively can.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:27 AM
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What part of “women are to blame there are not more men like him” did you not understand? If women ditched feminism, men overwhelmingly would ditch mediocrity and avoiding marriage. We want, strive for and achieve for feminine women, we don’t give a fuck about bossbabes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:26 AM
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What part of “women are to blame there are not more men like him” did you not understand? If women ditched feminism, men overwhelmingly would ditch mediocrity and avoiding marriage. We want, strive for and achieve for feminine women, we don’t give a fuck about bossbabes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:25 AM
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The idea that it’s ideal to marry your own age is pure feminist propaganda. You could choose men ready to settle down in their primes, most women are attracted to older men. Likewise most men are attracted to you in your prime. You have the world at your feet when it comes to marriage prospects straight out of Highschool. Again, feminism made you comfortable with your weight. 100 years back when virtually everyone was thin, I assume you would have found the motivation to lose weight far earlier.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:21 AM
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Ops Point was that focusing on the “I can have it all” mentality is to blame for the disaster of a mating market. Women have themselves to blame that they can’t inspire men to be on the level of your husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:16 AM
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You literally listed single causes that make the birth rate drop lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:12 AM
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And you don’t believe the majority of other women also want this? Case in point
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:11 AM
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I think your missing the core point here. In modern society, if I could choose a 30 year old who magically looked EXACTLY like she did when she was 20, or just have her at 20, I would vehemently choose the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:09 AM
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You didn’t answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:06 AM
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Then why did you get married?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:05 AM
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Why do assume society are the “good guys” is my question to you? If I’m struggling to find a righteous job in nazi germany must I be the problem? Same logic. Mob rule can mean just that, a ravenous vengeful mob, out to rule the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:00 AM
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Sky blue is an objective fact. You can’t objectively prove anything about desire since that is by definition subjective. The subjective opinion is a world of its own. Essentially we can’t prove anyone’s experience objectively. We can theorise it but we can’t measure it like sky is blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:51 AM
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It’s protecting them from their own immature, inexperienced, narrow-minded decision making, just as age of consent is with minors.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:46 AM
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That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you, “do you approve?” Is not asking “do you approve of her decision?” It’s “ do you approve of her LIBERTY to make such a decision?” Massive difference. Would you maybe understand the conundrum better if it was a 6 year old? Who tf cares which adult she CHOOSES to fuck? She shouldn’t be making a CHOICE in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:39 AM
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That’s a clear strawman. The only difference between OPs suggested arranged marriage and any modern marriage, is essentially that the parents have a right to veto their child’s decision. The actual nature of the marriage has nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:29 AM
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So if I understand correctly, it’s not necessarily that your parents aren’t much more equipped than you to seek valuable traits in a spouse. It’s that ultimately, they are not you and this is a fundamental floor in determining compatibility, since only really you are capable of determining that. Whereas parents of minors (optimally) aren’t making any major decisions in the way their child should lead their lives, rather just restricting them from certain decisions for their own protection. Is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:26 AM
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So what actually makes individual adults automatically competent to find a lover, as opposed to minors? Could the same lack of maturity not be applied in favour of arranged marriages?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:21 AM
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Why would it be good to strive for something that is “good” (however we define it)? Wouldn’t that just be a circular definition? Or are you saying you DO actually believe in objective good? Because without objective morality, I do not see how anything can be objectively good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:16 AM
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…Arranged marriage arguably also
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:03 AM
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Because it’s still an inherently subjective metric for competency. Let’s say I take a Middle Aged cow and argue it’s competent at looking after a human baby because its brain is fully developed. That’s pure nonsense. Stage of development proves nothing. It’s competency alone that proves competency. And how do we judge competency? By our subjective opinions on decision making. If fully developed adults were automatically competent in decision making we wouldn’t have so many ideological wars in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:01 AM
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I didn’t think you’d actually agree with me there… damn But I will say that the very idea of human nature is what morality feeds upon. So I can’t say either or. I can neither confirm nor deny human nature to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 11:44 PM
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We can also use OPs example with a 14 year old. Although my guess is you’d still refer back to the stakes. You need to make your own choice because it’s the rest of your life. Where as the 14 year old, even I she wanted to get married to a 28 year old lets say, could just wait 4 years and then marry. Temporary vs permanent stakes. Is that your logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 11:38 PM
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And now you’re strawmanning me🤣 You just can’t stop can you? The strawman you originally strawmanned OPs supposed “strawman” with was: And others have already addressed your ridiculous strawman that freedom of choice must necessarily mean approval of all choices. That’s all I ever mentioned here. Even though much of what you said was - controversial lets say. But I stuck to one statement to try and keep it simple lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 11:17 PM
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But that is all still a subjective standard YOU set. Arguably teenagers are understanding of the potential consequences at this stage of brain development, you just don’t agree with the conclusion. In the same way arguably no individual is ever really understanding of potential consequences, and always could use the input of those more experienced and multiple perspective input(the parents). Hormones and vulnerability do change, but potentially never end.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 11:09 PM
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Well I’ll guess we will never know whether this one-size-fits-all approach is actually effective until it is tried. Morality and egalitarianism modern society preaches is in essence also a one-size-fits-all approach. A one standard for all human beings to live by.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:58 PM
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Age of consent is there to protect girls is it not? insert arranged marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:52 PM
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Originally your comment had nothing to do with slavery
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:50 PM
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I’m just pointing out the strawman of you straw-manning his supposed “strawman”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:49 PM
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I haven’t experienced that change but I can say this. It’s not just women who support other women in misery, men are also very much adhering when they’re upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:46 PM
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I don’t have an argument, I was just pointing out that your defence is just as subjective as the defence of a 14 year old girl who seemingly has the world at her feet yet gets denied it. Coming back to OPs point of view of “where to find the balance?”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:42 PM
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No but in all seriousness there is an argument to be made that parents are more equipped their children to make spouse appointment. That you disagree with their potential choice IS precisely the argument why they should make it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:38 PM
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Yes I completely agree, what’s best for you doesn’t always work out to be what’s best for your kid, or anyone else’s kid. Abolish age of consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:36 PM
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Liberty requires the ability to have educated consent How about you explain what educated consent actually means. How does one achieve this? What education does one have to get?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:32 PM
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So you’re admitting any women, no matter how old, can have lost the liberty to choose her sexual partners? Never heard that one before. Somehow it’s only the under 21 year olds who get this diagnosis🤔 Females in nearly every animal kingdom have sex once they’re fertile. Clearly we have an argument for pedophilia being natural human mate selection here😂 Arranged marriage has never been common in a feminist society so we have no idea that it will resemble traditional marriages. It’s quite feasible…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:29 PM
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Again, he doesn’t care whether you “ can and constantly do disapprove of choices without somehow advocating… bla bla bla” He only ever asked if you approve of the 16 year olds LIBERTY to make that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:16 PM
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He’s not accusing you of trying to steal her agency because you think it’s a bad idea🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:08 PM
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Just as every 14 year old girl believes when they’re grounded for hanging out with the big boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:03 PM
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That’s completely irrelevant. I can make the argument either way. If you’re trying to assume ulterior motives behind my discourse that’s intellectually disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:02 PM
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No I’m referring to what you deem education.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:59 PM
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I could say the same for age of consent. It’s for the parent’s benefit not the girl’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:57 PM
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He wasn’t asking whether you approved of her choice, but whether you approved of her freedom to make that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:52 PM
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If you have to be able to give educated consent to be free, then surely someone uneducated by your standard is never free? Unless I’m misunderstanding the meaning of education here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:45 PM
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You have to be educated to be free? Are you saying that someone who hasn’t been educated to your liking is never free in their lifetime?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:40 PM
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Wdym?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:28 PM
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That can be true at any age. Just because you’re fucked in the head doesn’t mean you don’t have liberty. Who is then to decide who is truly fucked in the head? It’s a completely subjective diagnosis. It could be everyone, or no one. In that case you’re literally proving the extreme. If not being guided properly is a metric for security. Then young adult women en mass could not be prepared to choose their spouse and security would very much be established through normalising arranged marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:27 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:19 PM
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What does age of consent have to do with a girl’s security?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:17 PM
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That’s precisely the point. It is presumed your parents are far more competent in deciding valuable traits for your spouse. For YOUR benefit. Just as children would think coco pops would be ideal every night for dinner but parents believe different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:14 PM
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Why’d you change your comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:53 PM
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Society has determined that she is fully capable of choosing a sufficient sexual mate (age of consent). But I assume you prefer the standard of 18. Is 18 choosing a 50 year old balanced for you? Any relationship with authority has a degree of subjugation. All citizens are subjugated to the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:30 PM
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That wasn’t his point. His point was that the “adults” around her should have refused her this choice because she lacks agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:18 PM
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You don’t believe most young women’s “Vision” is to find their significant other after they’ve finished their degree. I’m not saying they will definitely turn it down beforehand, but that’s just how they envision themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:31 PM
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Yea I think I get it now. All this time you thought I was arguing against your morality, and for my understanding of what’s moral. But I was arguing neither. I thought we were done with morality the moment we established it’s purely your unfounded preference. All this time I was discussing effectiveness and efficiency of individual processes. I had no intention of saying it can’t be moral to treat promiscuity of the sexes equal because of xy. It has nothing to do with if women deserve to be trea…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:25 PM
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What do you mean? I never said the example is wrong. I said that it’s wrong that you’re not inquiring and just complaining about “word salad”.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:00 PM
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Finally! We’re getting somewhere, you can actually admit to a mistake. Nice! As a gesture of goodwill I will answer your question, even though you haven’t answered mine first “then tell me why it makes no sense” Because the point of a discussion is to compete for truth. Your premises from the beginning is that my position makes no/less sense. If I’m saying a whole lot of nothing and you can’t even be bothered to point out why I’m saying a whole lot of nothing, why begin a discussion on truth in …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:56 PM
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Of course not, it’s moronic. Now qoute exactly where you have found fault in my logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:38 PM
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I think we have a misunderstanding of deserve here. When you mention deserve it can mean morally deserve, or it can mean objectively earned. I always agreed they could morally deserve whatever in your ideology but that there is no evidence for it. But when we were getting into inherent differences I understood deserve to have a completely different meaning. As in you deserve to be treated this way as a reaction to what you have actually done, whether physically or emotionally. Not a moral compas…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:35 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/9owurami9g7e1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=792757d3e12451308cdcd8255a49c12ca912757c
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:12 PM
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Great. but what about the lie I’m talking about. And while we’re at it what about these pics of disingenuousness? https://preview.redd.it/mstzlvmg9g7e1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3308c1b18731eb87f236feb7eba97b983dd573d8
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:12 PM
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Strawman. I never said we couldn’t do that. I said it is a contradiction/ would be inadequate and probably discriminatory. Infact I asked you several times whether you would do it. No point. Give me an actual quote.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:10 PM
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after a certain point. You never have proven my overall theories wrong. The only time you actually explained any logical incoherence was when we were talking about the semantics of sex. But my overall ideology not once. Again quote it if I’m wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:03 PM
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When I say word salad it’s not just because I disagree and you write a lot. It’s because you use words and form sentences that are completely incoherent… Again you’re lying. Your original criticism wasn’t that my point was incoherent, but that my entire syntax was.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:53 PM
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Your lying. Quote exactly where you have actually explained the fault in my logic. Not just said this doesn’t make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:45 PM
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Then tell me why it makes no sense. That is literally the point of discussing opinions. Why start all of this just to not say why I’m wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:43 PM
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Yet after all your investigation you could never actually point out where the incoherence was. You just say it’s incoherent and act like you’re the smart one. Anyone can do that in any discussion ever. Sounds like a complete scapegoat. If you were wiling to see where it landed, then tell me why I’m actually wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:40 PM
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How could you conclude anything? I thought you didn’t understand my replies?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:35 PM
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Whats that supposed to mean? I’m not saying I have them, but you don’t think their are ideas to complicated for you to understand? And if you reading comp is so high then why not just understand something unnecessarily complicated for the sake of it? Although I do believe the scope of difference in females goes so against what you’ve been taught that you are having an extremely hard time processing my value system. You just don’t immediately get what I’m saying means because you have literally n…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 04:26 PM
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Just saying explain it to me or I don’t get it isn’t inquiry. Like when I brought up Down syndrome needing more humanity. That was a good conversation. Multiple times there you followed up with specific questions about the content of what I said and didn’t just answer “durrrr…. You sound like an autist” and expect me to do all the work and guess how I can make it more understandable for you. I think precisely when you said “you’re over complicating things” is when the conversation went downhill …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 04:15 PM
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I’m not saying guys aren’t losing, there’s just not a general culture consensus to set them up for it. Sure their well being is excluded from the cultural narrative. But women are actively pursuing the bossbabe zeitgeist that gets them nowhere. Saying this ideology is a serious problem for women doesn’t mean men don’t have other problems. Far from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 04:05 PM
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Also how do you know what I’m saying is overly complicated for no reason? You don’t know what I’m trying to communicate, maybe that’s as simple as it gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 03:31 PM
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Great. But women don’t stagnate they lose. Following feminism is a suicidal plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 03:25 PM
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If I were honestly interested to understand and believed in the sincerity of the other side. I would inquire. My question is, why won’t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 03:21 PM
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So what? Men don’t lose value after 23, they gain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 03:13 PM
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What a word salad
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:41 PM
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See that’s the thing when I explain it simply, you don’t get it. When I elaborate, word salad. No inquiry, no explanation why it doesn’t compute, nothing to help me explain it to you. Thanks for waisting 2 days.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:41 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:31 PM
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Yes I disagree too, and everything you write is word salad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:30 PM
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I disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:28 PM
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Yes I disagree too, and everything you write is word salad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:27 PM
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So I ask you again, acknowledging the sexes are different, do you still want them to be treated equally for this difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:11 PM
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What so no one actually told you you were not aware you were fucking? It’s literally completely feasible you felt pleasure and just had drunk amnesia
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:08 PM
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See that’s the problem, it’s my limitation. Not our limitation. This isn’t good faith. But what can I expect from someone who treats the sexes equally. Equally shit. This is a female standard. This is how woman speak to people they disagree with. Not trying to achieve clarity. Just prove the other side wrong or stupid. You’re not engaging. It’s just “intellectual” masturbation. You have 0 interest in actually finding out if there is any truth to what I’ve said.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:06 PM
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This was were you first denied treating the sexes equally while acknowledging they are different. Ever since then I’ve been asking you if that’s actually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:00 PM
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Yes you are stupid for building your entire morality and virtue on dirt and then claiming you are scientifically driven. Not because you just fancy pistachio ice cream. That’s exactly my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:58 PM
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And they told you that you were completely unconscious and unresponsive?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:56 PM
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What do you expect? My core ideology literally shatters your entire worldview. Ofcourse it’s not going to be simple and clear for me to explain it to you. If you’re not interested in the complexity of the dilemma, why the hell engage ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:54 PM
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No I’m just saying we judge things and people on a case by base basis. I think we’re more individuals than groups. For instance you said the overwhelming amount of men have serious issues with promiscuous women for partners, that has never been an issue for me. Then this answer should be a yes then and the two things are inherently connected.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:40 PM
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Again we’re talking about fundamental morality and virtue. Not fucking ice cream.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:37 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:35 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/lmd3p1u6ve7e1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b863a7ea83bdf4f9c0639e831258a604d858e00c
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:30 PM
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I’m not saying I’m asking. Because that is a well known symptom of drunkenness. Let me say this, how do you actually even know you had sex then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:28 PM
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Yet you refrain from any sought of inquiry to try to make sense of what I’m saying. You’re not playing in good faith dude. You’re just talking to make me look bad. Feminism has turned you into a woman. The gynocentric world order. It’s a shame, this conversation started off pretty productive imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:26 PM
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This difference is WHATEVER you want them to be treated equally on that is inherently different between men and women. If you keep repeating that you just want them to be treated generally equally then that is a yes, everything that is inherently different between men and women should generally be treated equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:22 PM
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“So what are you saying” is a euphemism for “do you believe”. Do you believe society is female supremacist based on the pay gap argument virtually all self proclaimed feminists represent? I don’t understand why you can’t just be forth coming and I have to pull every opinion out of your nose. If we’re sharing ideas, I need to understand your perspective, I can’t do that if you constantly say “I’m not saying anything”. Also, I believe you’re starting to be straight out disingenuous. I asked you di…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:17 PM
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Women PLAN to live out their hoephase and find themselves atleast until they have a degree and established themselves (late 20s, around the wall). It takes a really exceptional guy to essentially “rob” them of this experience. It’s nothing like it used to be where women would look for a husband straight outta high school, or in their high school sweat hearts. Feminism has changed the narrative and made women believe they peak in the sexual marketplace when men peak; educated,ambitious and fully …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:30 AM
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That right guy 0.1% of men for 80% of women. Only when they hit the wall do they broaden the scope.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:17 AM
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To qoute Brixan Atlas, Whatever podcast, “men just don’t want whores”.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:14 AM
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Because if you cry everyone always says what’s wrong? If I cry everyone laughs and point fingers. Your pain and misery is essentially ALWAYS a reasonable reaction and understandable, permissible and warrants a response from those around you. My pain and misery is to be scrupulously judged, and more often than not that means I’m told to “man up” or “think of others”, by BOTH genders. This essentially leads to a dynamic where women know they can fallback and ALWAYS rely on a standard of help. Easy…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:32 AM
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Women have been deceived. They believe putting in genuine effort is becoming a bossbabe/pornstar. Neither of which is attractive in a longterm mate. You want genuine effort from men? Make women genuine again!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:04 AM
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Thank the absence of slutshaming and subsequent hook up culture. These girls get pumped n dumped by Chad and lose the ability to fall in love with any normie. Apparently it’s called chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:33 AM
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So what are you saying, society is not actually feminist but female supremacist? So you’re basically admitting adequate judgement for both standards can’t simultaneously be met, have no plan in terms of what to base the equal standard on, have no solution for the fact the judgement can only aline with one of either standerd, or none, and on top of all that have no evidence that equal treatment will benefit humanity in the first place. Sounds like a well thought through plan mister science dude;)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 12:35 AM
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Isn’t that what we’re all here for? Pills and therapy;)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:28 PM
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The difference I’m trying to get at is whether you felt a shred of arousal in that barely conscious state that you may have completely forgotten about. Because that essentially proves mine or your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:16 PM
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Remember I said I’d hold you to “men will fuck anything”. That’s all I’m building on. I guess I can’t force you to see dignity and humanity the way I do. At the end of the day as we established they are 100% subjective. But I will still assert my position that looking up to someone, valuing who they are, cherishing their personality, all while and for the fact that they are using you and basically see you as a mediocre toy, is extremely demeaning and degrading. If it is children and parents, emp…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:12 PM
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I’m not intermingling the two, they are two sides of the same coin. What you are judging about the sexes is literally their differences. So I ask you again, acknowledging the sexes are different, do you still want them to be treated equally for this difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:03 PM
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Yes that’s precisely what I’m asking how would you work on those accordingly? since you objectively can’t create standards for both sets of behaviours. It doesn’t matter what you read, it matters what feminism currently is. I gave you a real life example of why this must be feminist theory. How am I wrong? Did you know the bible tells wives to submit unto their husbands as they submit unto god? Well that isn’t what Christianity today is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 10:59 PM
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Yes feminist standards will easily be met in a feminist society. Yea I want a blue eyed blonde. Literally the worst affected demographic… And I get that for you as a woman it doesn’t make sense that your genitalia curses someone. You literally only give it up when someone tugs at your heartstrings. But rape has always been a tool of war. We men have sexual violation in our dna. Apparently that’s actually one thing the sexes do have in common, the dark fantasy of rape. Most people, man or women, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 10:49 PM
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Well the difference is the women who agree with me will love me for it. While the men who agree with you, will tolerate your triple digit past. But honestly you’re right, I couldn’t care less what you choose to do with your life. The problem is when you’re pulling the next generation of innocent young impressionable women into your degeneracy. Those are the ones which my heart bleeds for. And jfyi, even though I hold this “double standard” (which it really isn’t, since getting fucked and fucking…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 10:00 PM
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How is it not degrading to potentially want to be in a relationship with someone and fuck them who sees you essentially as “nothing”?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:06 PM
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Yet you preach equality, opportunity and fairness for ALL humans do you not? That was my point with the human ideal which you worship. You’re just as generalising as me, except I split humanity by gender, you don’t. If anything that makes me more individualist. So what is it? Do you want equal treatment for inherent differences in behaviour or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:04 PM
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By saying they universally deserve the same judgement you ARE using one paintbrush for everything. I’m saying we should use our knowledge and observation to handle each situation individually. And even if I’d agree with you, what treatment do they “deserve”? If they are both different who should the equal treatment cater to? Or should their be a subjective consensus on equally splitting the treatment down the middle to match aspects of both sexes nature. An equality squared judgement, which esse…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 07:58 PM
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Because a master key opens many locks. A shitty lock lets in many keys. It is an inherently degrading act to be promiscuous with men. You yourself said it, men will sleep with anything. But a dignified human, a wife, a mother, should be considered and consider herself more than just anything, and not look a man deep in the eyes while he busts in her thinking she basically has the value of a cheeseburger to him. At best.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 07:39 PM
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It’s not even just men’s issues, they despise male desire aswell. The moment a man wants to be masculine it’s toxic masculinity, the moment he wants a young low body count trad wife it’s controlling mysogny, the moment he out earns a women it’s patriarchy. Men are punished whenever they stray from typical female desire and behaviour, but when women say they want rich tall dominant guys, or they want chivalry, or they earn a shitton on onlyfans, it’s perfectly reasonable behaviour and standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 06:47 PM
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But I think in essence I understand where you’re coming from. You’re accepting that the sexes are inherently different and thus logically will be judged on this difference. Yet this Judgment should not be acted on and they should be treated as if they were judged equally in order to guarantee equal “rights”, opportunities and whatnot. In essence not equal judgement, but equal treatment. Like if a court were to acknowledge the fact that a woman sucker punching a man is a serious crime, but a man …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 04:39 PM
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You had sex while you were completely unconscious? Or could you have just been incapacitated and had amnesia?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:34 PM
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That’s like saying I’m not more caring toward children than adults, because I judge children more than adults for drinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:31 PM
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Just saying I’m over complicating things isn’t an argument😅 You were the on saying “it’s not the optimal result and we need to tweak things for better” without any explanation for the cause of the problem whatsoever. I now offer an explanation and your answer is it’s way too complicated, but there’s “no contradiction”. Explain this to me, how can you say there’s no difference between men sleeping around and women sleeping around, while simultaneously acknowledging there is a stark difference in …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:27 PM
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She WAS prepared to sacrifice her boyfriend for the sisterhood. She’s an sjw, prioritising societal equity over the men in her life close to her is her bread and butter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 10:32 AM
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Yes but the moment you use your morning wood for sex it’s instant arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:45 AM
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When did I say women were under men? I’m not being defensive, I just don’t recall. And yes I do absolutely, and the overwhelming majority of people do use that logic. There’s a reason you don’t hit women, and not just anyone substantially weaker than you. If a 5,5 guy slaps a 6,4 bouncer, no one would bat an eye for him laying him out cold. People literally laugh at male abuse or lack of sexual attention in relationships - where as the opposite is a complete inhumane disaster. I constantly asses…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:42 AM
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Even you yourself said men and women should be judged equally. How do you suggest we do this without tieing men to a gynocentric standard? Because I very much doubt we will start judging women by a masculine standard. If something is exclusively desired by men, they will either be judged for it, or women will be judged for not wanting it. Otherwise if we accept that women and men are inherently different, we have accepted judging them by a different standard. It is a logical contradiction to thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:30 AM
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“I was a town bicycle, and can’t comprehend that men use women to fulfil carnal desire , while simultaneously not admiring them as a person. Altogether leading to the fact they admire them even less as a person, who desires to be objectified for such rudimentary impulses.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 07:47 AM
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I never said sexual compatibility isn’t a thing. It just has nothing to do with relationship compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:04 PM
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Maybe not Chad, but every Tom dick n Harry. So you believe women’s who get LOADS of dick feel good about themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:03 PM
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So the exact same woman, virgin vs 1000 bodies. Who do you pick?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:56 PM
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I never said feeling arousal = errection. I specifically said errection means male arousal when you bought it up the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:18 PM
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Because they are mentally and emotionally handicapped. If I’m not patient with them, I risk overwhelming them, because of my ignorance of general human “equality”. (I’ve actually done this before by the way. Felt really shitty watching a down syndrome girl I just asked some dinner organisation questions have a 2 minute meltdown.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:16 PM
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Great, but back to reality. That is what the result is. Anything from wage gap to play fighting to age gap relationships, any masculine behaviour is deemed toxic masculinity. The patriarchy. Do you disagree with me that that is not the modern world we live in?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:12 PM
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Whatever man, for arguments sake let’s say not. I want to bring this discussion back to generalities, not fringe exceptions. Ten fingers. No one in hook up culture is soaking, they are fucking and sucking, and not in a “nice” way. That is errect penis male arousal utopia. Can we agree on this atleast?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:07 PM
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No they deserve MORE humanity. It would be inherently inhumane for me to judge someone with down syndrome by the same standard and with the same patience as without.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:58 PM
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You just repeated yourself. Again how is that less intrusive or fictional than religion? You just said feminism DOESN’T claim natural equality between men and women. Then how on earth would it be morally superior to judge men and women equally?? Is it morally superior to judge adults and children equally?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:55 PM
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Everything that exclusively men are interested in is patriarchal, by virtue of it covering exclusively male interest. That’s how feminist theory works. If 99% of brick layers are men, feminists don’t say “thank god for men doing that job” They say “that’s a male dominated environment that is hostile and unwelcoming toward women”. Nothing can be inherently male without it also being inherently patriarchal and oppressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:47 PM
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Soaking
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:42 PM
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Then why on earth judge people equally when their not equal? That’s insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:03 PM
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That’s generous of you but that is a different debate entirely that we probably shouldn’t get into. I will say this though. A country is nothing more than men willing to defend its borders. If millions of men in the past hadn’t sacrificed their lives in war the western world would not be what it is today. I’d put my hand on it that society would be far more oppressive under what ever outside rule then came and established their order. It’s nice to say we shouldn’t need it , when we couldn’t exis…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:00 PM
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So it doesn’t want to answer what everything comes from but it wants to answer what we should be? I don’t see how that’s less intrusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:54 PM
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Yes and this “judgement” is gynocentric. Female supremacy. If we judge women by the same standards as men. We also unavoidably judge men by the same standards as women. Since everything that is patriarchal, aka intrinsically male, is deemed evil, we end up with a standard tailored exclusively to woman’s well being, not men’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:51 PM
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I’m saying an errect penis is male arousal and you can’t fuck a vagina with a soft penis
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:46 PM
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Like I said relationships or marriage in no way prove compatibility, dare I say respect. People often get and/or stay together because their to afraid or opposed to remaining alone. I don’t make the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:06 PM
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You just completely skipped over the point I was trying to make. I appeal to you again, you seem intelligent, listen carefully to what I’m trying to tell you. In all your morality, righteousness and equality, you worship a universal ideal of a human being, who has just as much merit to be claimed objectively true as “sky daddy”. I’m not even going to ask you for evidence of this ideal universal human anymore just tell me who this ideal is. What is it that we all share that makes us equally human…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:03 PM
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I agree everyone should have equal right by law. And in a democracy, the only fair thing to do would be to sign women up for selective service if they also want the vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 06:55 PM
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Those are the consequences of feminism. Just as religion also very much has real world consequences. But the core beliefs, of male and female equality, are just as fictional.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 06:54 PM
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To be clear are we talking about right by law or cultural judgemental “rIgHtS”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 06:52 PM
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Yea I still stand by that for intercourse, a man MUST be aroused. Just as you weren’t particularly aroused pleasing a woman having sex a msn on Viagra must atleast be “not particularly aroused” to get a boner. YOU STILL NEED MALE AROUSAL. And you can just use spit for an dry female . What was the point of that statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 06:51 PM
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You can get into relationships with people you’re not compatible with, dare I say don’t respect. It’s not a sign of respecting a woman for me if a man literally only wants to become her “lOvEr” because the sex is so good. Sounds pretty objectifying to me. Like a glorified onlyfans subscription. So everything I said still holds true. And I reiterate, if you want to know if you are compatible DON’T sleep with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 06:17 PM
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or they liked the sex so much with that person now they want to commit. If that is your idea of relationship compatibility I 1000% stand by what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 05:39 PM
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So it all comes down to personal preference, not overall wellbeing since there is no evidence for that. How am I then the misogynist because of my preferences but yours are completely acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:03 PM
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Yes that’s my entire point with feminism. It’s essentially no different than religion. Equality between the sexes can not be proven (just like Santa Claus). You are just as if not more religious than me. The religion of feminism. The belief in the one true prototype of a human, which you worship, and we all come from. Yet it is 100% subjective. There is 0 proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:00 PM
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Because essentially, it’s just gynocentrism, female supremacy. If we assume men and women are inherently different, what standard do we choose to base our equality on. Female Feminists essentially assume it is their innate consciousness, since our male consciousness is through and through corrupted by the power trip of the patriarchy. “Want a tall rich successful dominant man, you go girl! Want a virgin young trad submissive woman, you patriarchal ahole!”. This dynamic basically expands to all a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:55 PM
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It’s not supposed to make credibility it’s supposed to conjure understanding, get the point across. Whether or not you agree is still entirely up to you. I was speaking of intercourse. And be honest how many women give head for a penis to just stay flaccid😂 I’m not even sure viagra can work completely unaroused, but assuming it can, how many men take viagra to have sex that isn’t even pleasuring them. You keep trying to find these stark exceptions completely ignoring reality, thinking you’ve mad…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:42 PM
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Modern woman hand out kitty like it’s a flyer to end world hunger. If you get denied while being extremely accommodating, yes it can be pretty insulting. The unspoken consensus suggests it’s not a big deal for you, while it would probably make his world. So yes, it would seem extremely selfish. Of course that is ENTIRELY your right to be though. But if we operate of this line of complete selfishness, why should a man put his life on the line to protect you? If you were a chaste women who saw sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:33 PM
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Evidence that your claims actually make people lives more fulfilled, fair and positive. At the moment you just made a bunch of “baseless” claims arising from preconceived notions. Basically what you’re accusing me of throughout this conversation. Women had the right and freedom to pursue whatever they wanted beforehand. Your point probably refers to judgement, I would argue in our politically radicalised, leftist, mob-rule environment there is far more judgement for women these days taking the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:14 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:05 PM
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No, read it again. You seem to be a smart dude. Nothing I said was about equal rights. Unless you’re twisting that into a euphemism for general judgement again, which people do all the time about literally everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:04 PM
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It’s not an opinion it’s objective fact. You can’t have sex without a man’s arousal. You can just as well without a woman’s, and that happens frequently with pretty much all promiscuous women. A slut must submit to the fantasies of all the men she sleeps with. Otherwise intercourse and increasing her body count is objectively not possible. That isn’t the fault of analogy that you can make hitler look like a good guy. That is the fault of subjectivity. At the end of the day all morality is based …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:01 PM
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I’m assuming the antidote to anecdotal is statistical/polling. One downside to that is selection bias. Google it if you haven’t heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 12:54 PM
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Neither is selection bias
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 11:28 AM
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Based on the fact many ppl agree many guys only care about one thing 🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 11:25 AM
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Yes I got that your question was what make me think it’s not fundamental biology. That’s because many men already don’t care for love, companionship, relationships and family from women. The desire for sex is the only thing from women I would consider a universal constant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 11:03 AM
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Well many people acknowledge the fact that many men only have one thing on their mind when it comes to women and that’s sex. And in my (also personal) observation men like sex that’s for sure. But they don’t need sex for fulfilment. Infact chasing purely sex is a pretty hollow existence. I do believe the many abstinent monks, and hell even mgtow, aren’t just religious or ideological conviction, but truly finding peace abstinent from women altogether. So yes I believe if men can overcome the desi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:50 AM
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Also I find it extremely hard to believe you don’t notice the difference between 20% of men noticing your looks or 80%. Yes it’s easy to get male validation but the degree of male validation still very much expresses honestly how good you look. You’re leaving out a huge chunk of the story by not acknowledging this. Such a huge chunk that it makes me suspect dishonesty even more. Women precisely know which girls are immediate head turners. And I’m not saying every girl wants to be one, but to act…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:42 AM
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Cheap male compliments and men you don’t like don’t prove you aren’t doing it for male validation. You’re cherrypicking singular disadvantages to prove an overall dynamic. I believe you that you stopped because it attracted men you don’t like. Hell I’ll even believe you that your metric for success was women complimenting you. But at the end of the day your end goal still could have very much been to become as sexy as possible aka be attractive to the opposite gender aka “ look good”. I’m not sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:31 AM
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All I hear is individualism. I actually believe the complete opposite is true. Fulfilment ist not found in individual pursuits. But again I ask, where is there any evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 03:20 AM
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Yes but I’m not part of an organised religion
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 03:17 AM
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Feminism in essence is very simple. It is egalitarianism between men and women. Essentially everyone in the west these days is a feminist, since they perceive no fundamental difference between the men and women they meet, on the basis of their gender. The was absolutely not the norm throughout almost the entirety of human history, and still isn’t throughout the non westernised world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 03:16 AM
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I didn’t actually necessarily want to elaborate on that I just wanted to know whether you knew the analogy to speed up understanding my position. I guess that backfired. Basically the key lock analogy has to do with the power and value imbalances in the sexual exchange between men and women. A master key can open many locks. A shitty lock will be opened by many keys. As a man to sleep with many women, you have to prove yourself of value, for them to give themselves to you and submit their sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 03:08 AM
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I really don’t mean to be pedantic, but where is your evidence that it is more fulfilling, fair and positive?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:46 AM
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No like I said, it would be like asking me to prove the human soul. If I could do that probably all of ethics, religion and politics would be solved. And I could end all wars within a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:44 AM
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I was far worse off as a feminist…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:41 AM
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What questions? I just told you what it has to do with me. I couldn’t love a person like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:40 AM
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Why is an equal society better?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:37 AM
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If the light is feminism no thanks. Been there, done that. It’s a fucking nightmare. I’d rather be a sadistic sex god than a equality and emancipation feminist. And I think women would love me far more for that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:27 AM
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So you have heard of the analogy. Ok. As I tried to explain before it has to do with who she is as a person. That’s why I love her after all. And not for her tits n ass. What kind of person fulfils themselves in being used and looking up to dudes that basically hate them? And what kind of trauma would it be to recover from being such a person?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:23 AM
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Well I don’t exactly know what you mean by tangible, you’re basically asking me to prove the existence of a soul. But hormonally women and men are completely different. The testosterone difference is as if you would put one group on strong psychiatric drugs. This changes everything about perception, personality, ambition and innate values. Trans people can attest totally this. This is just one of a thousand anatomical differences that affect mens and women’s existence imo. Equality is a concept …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:13 AM
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Very interesting never heard that before. So in theory, if a mother gives up her baby at birth, she is liable for child support until it finds new parents?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:05 AM
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Women can also treat men like complete trash by the way. They just don’t do it in the bedroom and it’s inform of disrespect and reputation destruction rather than degradation. I always say in the bedroom men are sadists and women masochists, outside the bedroom women are sadists and men masochists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:01 AM
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“A lot of men will literally fuck anything…” Ima hold you to that. The point wasn’t to compare. The point was to explain why it’s such a tragedy that women only sleep with men they would be lovers with, while “95%” of those exact men loathe them. The dynamic is more than her just getting her “rocks off”. Women basically sleep with their hearts. With someone who couldn’t care less. Have you heard of the key and lock analogy?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:55 AM
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Well yes I guess church community can be separate from the secular world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 12:09 AM
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Modern hookup culture https://preview.redd.it/ykcvb88glw6e1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9a6836d635f82f253e5bc30b4a83a803deb17d0
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 12:04 AM
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Yes it seems only the constraints of organised religion can keep widespread female sexual degeneracy from occurring… But the gender wars do exist. Even in couples that fight all the time. Feminism was a deceleration of war on any form of masculinity. It’s total gynocentrism at its core. Basically female supremacy. Until mainstream feminism dies, there will always be war.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:55 PM
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I’m not converting to strict Christianity just to find a virgin wife. That is probably the most simp thing I’ve ever heard. And I think these gender wars have broken the lid pot theory. Many people will probably die with their political affiliations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:00 PM
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The same as men. Since you find it incomprehensible that they come from different planets. Your assumption of pretty much human equality is just as baseless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:57 PM
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No I meant men see women as trash they sleep with were as women see men as value they sleep with. So you agree with me. Women only sleep with potential boyfriend material.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:55 PM
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“If you don’t want to work, simply become a billionaire”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:48 PM
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Can’t she just keep him off the birth certificate?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:41 PM
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If that’s the case shouldn’t mother then be paying child support aswell when they give up children for adoption? Then you would be being consistent atleast.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:39 PM
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Through observation. How do you prove women are the same? How do you prove anything about being humane?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:23 PM
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I mean that just like men trash the women they sleep with, women sleep with men who are atleast on the level of potentially being in a relationship with. Put it this way, most women you sleep with you could probably lockdown as your girlfriend if you really tried, for women that is not even remotely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:22 PM
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They do spiritually
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:16 PM
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Women don’t operate like that as much as they’d like you to believe they do. All women open their legs based on connection, looking up to who they sleep with. Unless they’re already deeply socially traumatised. They don’t just get their rocks off like us men. If they did I would also be able to make a fortune on onlyfans.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:54 PM
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You’re completely off the point. It’s not even about who likes sex. It’s about that sex is a completely different act for men and women. A woman having sex is like being a bottom in a gay relationship. 99% of men will not have that kind of experience once in their life. Women come from Venus, men from Mars. We live in different realities. That is what I meant with our actions being unequal. Because of deep anatomical and psychological biological realities our actions and behaviours are often inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:51 PM
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Even if she keeps him off the birth certificate?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:45 PM
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Because it’s not a moral argument, it’s a dignity argument. How is it dignified for a woman to enjoy casual sex with someone disgusted by her?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:43 PM
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Then don’t, vote in a republican government that doesn’t support these single mother welfare programs. And if the child falls below a poverty threshold, take it away. Just as you would do with adoption. You are choosing to support a mother’s choice. The father isn’t making you pay anything. And if you feel sorry for the mother/child. That’s your choice, not the father freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:47 PM
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I never said men are shit that is your judgement of their dating strategy. I not a proponent of this “love everyone no matter who they are” world. And I already explained how it has a lot to do with women who then go suck the soul out of their dick for treating them like literal shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:43 PM
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But that makes no sense, if they are inherently unequal of course they will be judged by a different standard. They will be judged according to who they are. Being different and not wanting to be judged by the according standard isn’t a right, that’s just fascism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:39 PM
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The premise of this debate was that you granted me that the 95+% number was true^^
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:35 PM
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We’re not talking about rights, we were talking about my judgement and whether it’s misogynistic. You can have the right to do something that I find extremely shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:32 PM
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I still don’t see how that overrides a man’s right to choice. If women can choose abortion, it means they can choose pregnancy. A man isn’t responsible for a woman’s choice by having slept with her just as she isn’t responsible for pregnancy by having slept with him. If the state feels bad for the child it should step in and not force anyone else to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:30 PM
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But women can just give the child up for adoption, and absolve their motherly responsibility m. Why shouldn’t the mother be forced to give her kid up for adoption if the father doesn’t want it and she can’t provide? Why should the father pay for a mother choice to keep the child and not for the child survival?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:20 PM
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Because as I tried to explain, it gross to be with someone who willingly lets themselves be treated like shit. Definitely if they still don’t see anything wrong with it. And if they’ve changed, I don’t see how their past can’t haunt them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:07 PM
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Because as I tried to explain, it gross to be with someone who willingly lets themselves be treated like shit. Definitely if they still don’t see anything wrong with it. And if they’ve changed, I don’t see how their past can’t haunt them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:06 PM
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Overall they’re just predominantly different, most specially in behaviour, perception and overall consciousness. That is why they should be judged differently. Because they never do ANYTHING equally. How about this, you give me an example of where they are equal to substantiate your claim that it is reasonable to judge them equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:04 PM
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Fck me
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:55 PM
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Well of course there equally human. Just as a chic and cock are equally chicken. The question is, just as they are different in lifting, are they not different in all ability and behaviour?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:54 PM
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So the same exact women, ones a virgin, the others been with 1000. You have absolutely 0 preference ?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:51 PM
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No because men and women aren’t equal. Am I misogynist for thinking a chicken and a cock are different?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:46 PM
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With a ran through wife yes. The only way that benefits you is if you’re a cuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:45 PM
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Why is judging women automatically misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:43 PM
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Yes but they also aren’t pouring glitter down their cleavage. No one denies women inherently want to be a princess. It’s the point where they’re literally dressing like literal hookers where we start to question if they’re not digging for a little male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:38 PM
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lol so basically without men the world would turn into the playboy mansion🤣 And women are offended men see the as objects…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:34 PM
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My man👊
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:30 PM
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…And they say the gynocentric world Order is a myth
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:28 PM
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I’m happy to be charitable to those carrying the entire burden of female degeneracy. If it wasn’t for my sympathy to your plight I’d be running through chicks left and right. Believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:24 PM
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You always come with this no one is perfect bs. The reality everyone knows deep down, is that body count doesn’t matter NEARLY as much in guys as it does in girls. The moment guys wake up and realise this, you th0ts are all doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:20 PM
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Defending a premises doesn’t mean you’re not open to it not being wrong. It just means you’re open to critical thought and testing both sides consistency, like in a caught off law. You feminists just get your panties in a bunch the moment somebody doesn’t come to you and say “tell me your story” and then agree with everything you say. You’re so indoctrinated by gynocentrism you can’t deal with any sought of rational conversation, seeking nothing but the most objective of conclusions. We men like…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:17 PM
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So do I. Her response pointed to OP. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:07 PM
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So 95+% of men shouldn’t be married?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:04 PM
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Why would I need any bs studies for something that I experience as an everyday occurrence? Do I need a study to know that people like it when you shake their hand meeting them? This delusional leftist notion that everything can and should be proven through studies, and if it can’t it’s just delusional bigotry… The overwhelming majority of truths we hold in this world are gathered empirically. That is how it has always been and that is how it will always be. Studies aren’t real life dude. You’d h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:03 PM
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No, for women half the journey is keeping your legs closed. Many more men will aspire to marry you this way. And those men you now marry as centurions, would have been just as compatible, if you found them a virgin. Maybe you mistake compatibility for lowering your standards? You’ve been pumped and dumped so many times you see it as a miracle that any man sticks around. Whereas if you had remained celibate, you’d have never found attraction for the “compatible” guy in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:45 PM
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“Why? Because those “hoes” as you call them actually dated around enough to find someone compatible with them! Half the journey is actually putting yourself out there.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:37 PM
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Who the fuck cares if those mens views are justified. The fact is your wife now sees it as a badge of honour to be face painted by dudes getting off on loathing her. That pride in men dedignifying is in of itself abhorrent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:33 PM
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Aren’t those same women trying to lecture us?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:27 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:25 PM
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What does not wanting my wife to be a gtterwhre have to do with me being up to par? Do you even have male friends? Because 95+% men I talk to all have a clear distinction between girls for Sex and girls for relationship. They talk absolute trash about the girls they use for sex. Kinda how the cool kids would talk about that one weird kid in class at school. It is pure maliciousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:24 PM
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The very fact you think sleeping around finds compatibility shows me you haven’t a clue what compatibility is. Those men you were test driving all had 0 respect for you. Respect is a prerequisite for compatibility. You want to know if a guy’s compatible? Don’t sleep with him. All you can do as a promiscuous woman is lose respect and dignity in a man’s eyes, not gain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:17 PM
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Because anyone who doesn’t care about it is either a cuck or a simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:12 PM
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“My wife was the town bicycle, but because feminism told me that being a cumdump is empowering, I now feel like a strong righteous man for accepting her sticky body into my open arms!” Wake up dude. None of the other guys that were inside her had any respect for her. Why now should you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:10 PM
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You’re not going to find an honest answer dude. Women’s whole world is perception play sinece they are like 12 years old. Only the most regretful, repenting, Christian red pill women will shine an honest light on the downside of past promiscuity. All the others will only present a spotless facade. It’s just how women are in general. It doesn’t matter if something is good or bad. It’s if it should be good or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:05 PM
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My suggestion is No hymen no diamond - as I explained women still need us. Let them earn it. Other than that if you’re referring to casual dating I think you’re pretty much there. Relationships that lack trust are fundamentally negative. If you need to put on a persona to keep the peace, there is no peace. Unless you can fined mutual trust in the confines of a casual relationship, I essentially see no other option than to avoid it to keep your peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 04:28 PM
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We’re looking for an explanation. Without that what do you expect reasonable people to do? Not adhere to their own reasoning and observation and just believe anyone on anything ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 04:01 PM
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So you’re saying if men didn’t exist, women would still dress provocatively?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 03:32 PM
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I truly believe women have brainwashed men into believing that, because they need that. The best way to get what you want in negotiations is to convince the other side they need you, not the other way around. I’m convinced if men dropped moral dogma and false ambition, we could all live as monks happily ever after, without ever having to lay eyes on a female again. It’s mercy that still draws me toward the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 02:46 PM
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I truly believe women have brainwashed men into believing that, because they need that. The best way to get what you want in negotiations is to convince the other side they need you, not the other way around. I’m convinced of men dropped moral dogma and false ambition, we could all live as monks happily ever after without ever having to lay eyes on a female again. It’s mercy that still draws me toward the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 02:45 PM
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“You’re doing it because you like the trend...” This was you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 02:37 PM
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Pirates is not modern day. And the exception proves the rule. Fringe subcultures have nothing to do with modern mainstream culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 01:26 PM
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Yes they are if in essence, they are both worn to follow a trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 01:23 PM
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The OP argument was that women aren’t doing it for themselves, they’re doing it to fit in a trend. So the intent for external validation is there. If you are wearing my favourite teams jersey and I assume you also support that team am I really to blame? The moment you link yourself to a greater purpose and essentially follow “mob rule”, you are responsible for that greater purpose. If women do stuff to fit in, they are essentially making themselves tools of group consciousness, they are tools of…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 12:30 PM
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Women just don’t deal in reason they deal in feelings. Because it feels good to them when they look in the mirror it’s for them. Where as we men connect the dots and realise the reason it feels good to them. For them that’s pointless, their brains completely shut off the moment they have found what feels unequivocal right, and thus project this prioritisation of thought onto us aswell. Subsequently they believe the only motivation for trying to tie their feelings to men’s sexuality is because we…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 12:11 PM
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So basically, apart from generational wealth where men had no obligations either, all women’s default responsibility was to be a homemaker? Sounds like most people do understand exactly what a traditional relationship means.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:57 AM
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Which is why women should stop buying into this “just wear what you feel like” propaganda. If you’re ignorant enough to believe your feelings do not subconsciously arise from your understanding of sexuality, you’re going to wonder why every man basically sees and treats you as a hooker. It’s in the same realm as “I don’t want anything”, then she eats over half your fries. People’s, and specially women’s, feelings constantly override their conscious thoughts. The solution is to be aware of this p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:53 AM
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You’re going back on your own statement. Sound reason and ignorance are oxymorons.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:13 AM
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It’s the purpose of the trend, so by doing it it is your purpose. Even if unknowingly so. If everyone you know is wearing a jersey of a team, so you also wear that jersey. You are showing support for the team. Even if you don’t even know it’s a team and are just doing it to fit in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:09 AM
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Which is why women should stop buying into this “just wear what you feel like” propaganda. If you’re ignorant enough to believe your feelings do not subconsciously arise from your understanding of sexuality, you’re going to wonder why every man basically sees and treats you as a hooker. It’s in the same realm as “I don’t want anything”, then she eats over half your fries. People’s, and specially women’s, feelings constantly override their conscious thoughts. The solution is to be aware of this p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:04 AM
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Engage with the hypothetical to understand whether your reasoning is consistent. It doesn’t matter if society will ever find makeup ugly. What matters is if women would want to wear makeup if no one else found it beautiful, which by your logic they would. I think you already partially found your awnser though. In ancient Egypt both men and women wore eyeliner. I wonder why men don’t wear eyeliner today? It’s because no one else finds hetro sexual men in makeup flattering.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:53 AM
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That actually proves my point, the real buck lesbians with no chance of return, get short haircuts, baseball caps, baggy jeans and sneakers 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:45 AM
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A solution is always in reaction to a problem. So what is the problem in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:41 AM
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The “ideal self” for most people is what attracts attention from the opposite gender. Most women would not feel comfortable knowing that what they are wearing isn’t appealing on the sexual market. Just as OP pointed out, external validation does make you feel good about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:16 AM
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The irony is in our post sexual revolution society trends most often are to propel yourself in the dating scene. So if you’re “fitting in” to a trend that exposes over half your boob circumference, don’t fool yourself, your doing it to be attractive to male sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:08 AM
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Haha your husband would probably bump into the devil himself and say “howdy partner! 🤠”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 12:44 AM
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I feel as though you can only have so many close relationships in your life, and you can’t really tell how other people are in their relationships from the outside. But yes, from the few women I’ve known closely in my life they were very similar, extremely neurotic, hyper sensitive to any forms of criticism, unreliable and blaming their inconsistency on how you treated them/didn’t treat them. They may react differently in disappointment, some lash out screaming, some go mute and ignore you until…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 12:42 AM
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Well he wasn’t street smart enough to not marry an educated woman 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 12:23 AM
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Both, I grew up with a single activist mother. She always excused her rampant endless activism with it being the best thing she could possibly do for her children. Even though we were perpetually in debt and she would literally scream at us for it when we asked for a candy bar in the corner shop. And you hear it all the time that women don’t want to belong to their future husbands and have their own career and things going on. Pure cynicism.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 12:15 AM
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I just did “if there is a hint of danger, the man puts his neck out not you”.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 12:00 AM
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On a serious note, if your husband really has never seen a stranger and instinctively thought about fight scenarios, divorce him asap. He WILL freeze up when the time comes. The surprise of the situation will be so far from his imagination he won’t have a clue what to do. Or get yourself strapped and become the man of the house, and wave goodbye to ever having a cusp of humidity between your legs ever again.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:54 PM
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You missed the point. Attraction is genetic. Even if we assume women aren’t genetically more prolific in nurturing(which is a BIG if). Women are still attracted to provide-protect-leader men, and men are attracted to nurturing submissive women. If we optimise for these traits, completely free of ideological dogma, genetic attraction and thus the relationship and couple should be most satisfied when a woman takes on the nurturing role. Yes I agree women worked very hard and were adaptive to the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:45 PM
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Yes retard I was implying feminists think real men are gender fluid.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:31 PM
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Some people have never been punched in the face, and some people sit down in restaurants always facing the entrance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:28 PM
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To put it simply, he’s masculine. He does masculine shit. Like a real tiger lives in the jungle and hunts its food, does what it wants when it wants, and the pseudo tiger lives in the cage of feminism and has never tasted freedom and would most likely die if you set it in the wild. It’s spent so long in captivity, it can’t comprehend the extent of it’s disenfranchisement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:25 PM
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Don’t act like the fundamentals don’t exist. If there’s a hint of danger, the man puts his neck out not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:18 PM
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That’s hilarious because feminists think a real man is basically a real woman. We don’t just disagree on who’s a real man but we fundamentally have completely different understandings of what a real man is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:15 PM
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Put it this way 5 year old kids walk around without a care in the world. Constantly getting in peoples ways, ignoring facial expressions, not noticing strange men approaching. I am more or less subconsciously aware of everyone in my radius at all times, and their level of vulnerability. If I perceive a strange man to enter the atmosphere, who could potentially be a threat, I’m instantly attentive. And not just that but my first thoughts are to who is most vulnerable from the people around me and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:10 PM
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No, your paranoia of traditional men implies everything is based on power dynamics. So when we say “you need to serve a real man” you hear “men want to be served so that they feel like real men”. Objectively no one said that. Only the neurotic female mind could twist perception so much to create that alternate truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:31 PM
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No hymen no diamond - pretty much any conservative virgin is more attractive than Sydney Sweeney
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:15 PM
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The genetic component is that a woman is more suited to the nurturing role than a man. Even if we assume they are of complete equal capability, or even that a man is better. Just as strength is genetic, so is attraction. Women like men who provide protect lead, so let a man fulfil that role, in return and out of convenience and specially because men just like nurturing caring submissive women fulfil the tradwife role. This idea of equality serves no one in the relationship and provides no geneti…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:11 PM
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Exactly! I 1000% agree!! Keep that detailed beautiful touch in the kitchen and dusting pristine furniture💫
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:39 PM
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Did anyone say that? He said IF you want a man accept what comes with that. That doesn’t mean anyone who provides is a man. All these degrees and you’re still proving women are absolute retards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:35 PM
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That was implied with masculine, just as homemaking should be implied with feminine. The problem is these days, women hate the concept of tieing femininity to homemaking, but all bossbabes still dream of a man making more than them to come sweep them off their feet. A man can be jurged by what women like but a woman can’t be judged by what men like. Complete hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:29 PM
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When women are disadvantaged it’s serious distress. When men are disadvantaged it’s time to crack a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:22 PM
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When women are disadvantaged it’s a serious distress. When men are disadvantaged it’s time to crack a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:21 PM
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Men spend everyday being men. That includes being aware of their duties and mentally preparing for them or to avoid them. If I know I’m the first line of defence, it is also my duty to for see where threats could occur, put myself in the threats shoes and be vigilant in public areas. It is a constant occupation. Just knowing you could have to put your life on the line at anytime changes who you are. And women recognise this, probably better than the man himself. Which is why they are attracted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:15 PM
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No I’m saying that what women value is expected in a relationship but what men value has been demonised. Feminism essentially has killed traditional femininity while pushing women to become the men they want to marry. Provision, protection, politics, ambition, stoicism, head of the house are all things men traditionally provided their wives which also made them attractive. Now women reject their traditional role while trying to fulfill ours, all while expecting us to find them sexy and fall in l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 08:15 PM
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So why then does only one gender need to get up in the middle of the night and check the noise?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:18 PM
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Will I listen to your day? Maybe if you earn it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:12 PM
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Not when you swallow the blue pill we don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:47 PM
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See this is why we don’t want partnerships with women. Y’all either literally retarded, or act retarded like it’s a flex and you made me look bad. I literally said keep women around for sex and you hear I want to be blown out by guys. On top of that what point are you actually trying to make? That the only advantage to spending time with women over men is sex? Y’all literally objectify yourselves then wonder why no one wants you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:44 PM
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If you were his tradwife you would have built a relationship foundation based on loyalty and innate desire, more valuable than the hottest 23 year old in the world. Not inspite bit because of your submission, you would have grown together over the years. But your right in a feminist relationship, their really is no point staying with post wall women except guilt and fear of rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:34 PM
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He means if you want some one who makes you wet just hearing his footsteps and not a guy you spend hours at sex therapy with because his tongue play just isn’t cutting it anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:13 PM
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You also only ever once take your GCE yet spend over 10 year of your childhood preparing for it. The point isn’t that it will happen, it’s that it can happen, and that a man must always be prepared for it and can only attract women if he is in the mindset to be prepared for it. A military doesn’t have to be at war for it still to be active.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:05 PM
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Exactly what she’s getting out of the relationship if she weren’t a maid and cook. A masculine man she’s attracted to. Feminism has sh!t in your brains so much you actually believe men like you for the same reasons you like us. But we don’t. That’s why we are leaving. Not because we’re throwing a fit about losing power. But because modern women literally have nothing to offer but stress. Any sought of friendship you envision we can get from our guy friends 100x better. Femininity is your only tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:00 PM
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Partners in what? Why do women think we value their partnership? We’d be much more effective in any endeavour partnering with our mates and just having y’all as booty calls. Oh yea we’re doing that already lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 04:51 PM
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Translation “I deserve to have a man I like without being a woman he likes”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 04:46 PM
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