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if its hard for 80-90% of men that is virtually everyone? No, 40-45% of people is not 'virtually everyone.' I definitely wasn't discouraged by the kid in class who was effortlessly smart..not wanting to work hard because some people are naturally good at is Is an unhinged take I didn't say only that one scenario. There are many things that someone may have gone through to relate to that phenomenon. School and sports are just two common ones. If you've never felt like that in any arena, I'd posit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:39 PM
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Purposeful misrepresentation of my comments. I don't engage with those who are purely bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:57 PM
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So you acknowledge that it isn't happening in spaces where men are present. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:40 PM
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I know three such women in real life. All three are married to attractive, masculine, borderline (or outright) rich men, and have been for quite some time. All of them have multiple kids and active social lifes. That's anecdotal to be sure, but I've never seen evidence to the contrary except for women who do it online for an audience (which inherently undermines red pill theology.) Women who want good men and change themselves to attract said men almost always find them (so long as they start th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:28 PM
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Welcome to 2025. Lots of women say that? Where? I haven't dated in 25 years, have never used a dating app, and even I hear women say that they don't want cheap first dates. Women say it on their reels, say it loudly on podcasts, and are generally open about that opinion. Meanwhile, I have never heard a woman say what you are now. I'm sure some women do say that, but seemingly only to other women in person or in some super niche online spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:22 PM
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If a woman likes a man... What you should have said is 'If a woman is deeply physically attracted to a man' There is widespread evidence in the form of firsthand testimony from women saying that cheap first dates aren't good enough and that any man who tries to do something as cheap as a coffee first date is just a broke loser. Women aren't a monolith, but people generally don't take risks on first dates in case the other person isn't the exception to the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:07 PM
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So you think that if a man takes a woman on a super cheap / free first date that she is likely to be impressed by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 01:03 PM
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It used to be hard for everyone, but especially all men. Now, it's hard for only the bottom 80-90% of men. The closer men get to the bottom, the more they view how easy it is for everyone else as a mental block. Everyone has probably had this experience. Remember back to college or high school or whenever and you struggled with a subject or a sport and then there was that one person who could do it so effortlessly. How did you feel about that person? Did it make you want to work harder?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 01:02 PM
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Yep! This concept is so incredibly simple that it shouldn't need a metaphor at all. People are just determined not to allow the idea that women have it easier to stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:19 PM
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Yep, even then it is better to have the option than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:18 AM
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If I'm starving, I'd rather have the option to eat something no matter how putrid. As I said and showed, options are always better than no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 09:26 PM
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It's not, because you don't have to eat the crappy sandwich.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 09:18 PM
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I think most people are boring, women and men alike, but women slightly moreso. Not objectively in any way, purely subjectively. For me, I find two things very interesting. If an activity is based around social interaction, I want intellectual stimulation. Debate brings me alive, or deep and intellectual discussions that focus on real life science or hypotheticals. I have little interest in jobs, people drama, gossip, health, etc. It's part of life, but it is boring. If the activity is more of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 08:57 PM
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Of course it is, that's how metaphors work. She doesn't have to eat the sandwich, ma'am.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 08:28 PM
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Options are always better than no options, even if you view the option as a bad one. This becomes especially true when the neutral option remains available. An example: Two people are sitting in a field on a blanket. The first person has nothing besides the blanket. The second person has a blanket and a deli meat sandwich. The second person does not prefer deli meat sandwiches (but may or may not choose to eat one if they are very hungry.) Person Two is upset that Person One says that it is bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 03:03 PM
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In summary: If vegans were just interested in meat, their complaints about limited dietary options in restaurants would suddenly go away!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 08:49 PM
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Your cope has no place in this discussion. Goodbye.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:30 AM
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It was a good argument. You got it all right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 01:29 PM
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That's because men (as a group, not as individuals) tend to see sex as a basic need that doesn't necessarily need to be worked for to obtain. We need food, so we need to go to work to buy food or grow/hunt food. We need shelter, so we need to go to work to pay for shelter or build shelter. When sex is defined as a basic need in this context, it is often with the belief that the person needing sex shouldn't work or pay for the sex. I 100% agree. If someone won't work, or can't, they should starve…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 01:18 PM
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Yep, same to you bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:24 PM
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Gotcha. Emotional denial is common in women. Best of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:21 PM
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If 100 people are in a school and 1 of them is going to shoot it up, eliminating the 1 is going to result in the biggest net satisfaction for the group. You are definitely emotional about the topic, and I do understand that. Conversing about sex as a need almost always has that effect on women. I'm sorry you're in that site, and I hope you can find your way out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:08 PM
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Right, and I gave you a situation that could potentially accomplish your stated purpose, but you rejected it out of hand, which told me that your purpose is completely secondary to your emotional response to the topic. If it wasn't, you'd have entertained conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:47 PM
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I presumed you meant this: It is common sense to go for the healthiest outcome for the greatest number of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 11:55 AM
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Today's men would absolutely benefit from women feeling more comfortable with the idea of sex. Ideally we should teach younger generations about this, but any man can learn and display these qualities at any time. Yeah, because those qualities show up immediately at a bar. That's why women have one night stands with all the hot guys, they're safe! Aaaaah, now I see why all of my prior comments were immediately dismissed. I completely disagree with this, but I know I will not be able to convince …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:12 AM
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No, I'm rejecting anything that denies reality. Additionally, I'm primarily focused on today's MEN, not today's boys and the men 25 years from now. Teaching women that sex does not have to involve submission or ownership = women feel safer about having more sex. Right, and more sex is great! I don't think it will help the guys that struggle with women, though, and it definitely won't help the men today. Teaching men that sex does not have to involve power = women feel safer about having more sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:40 AM
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Completely fair, my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:22 AM
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You're saying that when a man tries to give a woman an orgasm, it's not because he loves her and genuinely wants her to feel amazing, but because her orgasm gives him validation? If anything, I'd say the man is the one who needs to be reminded that he's prioritizing himself in that moment, and not her. No. I'm saying that's why men sometimes get hyper fixated on it to the point that it's all he seems to care about. It's not an always thing, it's a sometimes you see this thing. In men who are hyp…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:21 AM
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You got my suggestions and then stopped responding. Seems like you are going to fit right in around here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:12 AM
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Right, I asked you first because I wanted to see if you are actually interested enough to give some potential ideas without needing my input. You aren't, but because I'm genuinely here for good faith debate, I will give some ideas. The below are presented in no particular order. 1) Change the way that we speak about sex. We need to help women to understand that sex isn't really about an orgasm, it's about validation for men. This is why so many men in relationships are hyper fixated on getting w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 01:27 AM
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Wrong. Go away. Actually, I never do this, but... go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 01:21 AM
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Obviously. What I'm saying is that you don't know very much about the topic of how men receive validation and so your opinions about that particular area are not going to be taken seriously. My fifth grader has some weirdly intense opinions about soccer, but Messi is taken more seriously for some odd reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 01:16 AM
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Sorry, no. Force is never going to be acceptable, even if there are no other ideas. If men are so picky that only a very specific sexual use of someone else's body is going to fulfill their need, and they don't feel loved or validated any other way, then they'll probably be unfulfilled. I fully agree. I think I've been deeply misunderstood. I wasn't suggesting violence, I was attempting to understand whether you could even conceptualize some possible opportunities for societal improvement in thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 01:07 AM
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You're completely right and you're going to have a lot of people very mad at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:30 AM
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Even IPV is not correct. Correcting for underreporting, men experience at least as much IPV as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:29 AM
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That's origin, not usage. You know it's an insult, won't admit it, and I'm not stressed about it. The only one being immature here is you. I'm here for good debate with people who want to operate in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:26 AM
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Yeah, if you can't admit the truth about the word incel, that's on you, and is evidence of your bad faith. If you don't understand actual debate, that's also on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:07 AM
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I disagree with that last statement, and the analogy. Without any doubt, there are other ways to get validation and unconditional care Not that count. I've been married ~20 years. I know my wife values me, and she shows me in many ways. Even so, when we don't have sex for longer than usual, I feel completely unloved, uncared for, and unvalued. You think you know more about men than you do. Stop assuming. There are not other ways that accomplish the same purpose. It's actually really concerning t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:05 AM
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I want to start by saying I appreciate your good faith efforts at dialogue here. Thank you. What I'm saying is that if men have a basic need that is not being met, they need to find other ways to fill the gap. Respectfully, that's like saying 'well, if your body needs Potassium but you can't get any, just find some calcium or something to make your heart work!' It's nonsense. The gap is not fillable. There's really no other way around it besides demanding sex from another person, which is never …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:12 PM
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Yes, that's correct. When you lie and show bad faith, it's pointless. You've lied again here. Continued bad faith from you is pointless, as I won't meaningfully engage with you. You can engage in good faith or you can continue to waste your time getting replies like this one. Incel always has been and always will be an insult no different than whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:13 PM
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You're right. When men first labeled women whores, it was a totally neutral label for women who exchanged see for money. It's definitely not an insult. No point for me to dialogue with someone who just lies
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:26 PM
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That's because when men talk about sex being a basic need, it's usually phrased as if women should be expected to fill that need. Only women that want to be in a relationship with that man. If a man's need for sex is about deep emotional connection, that can also be filled by building close platonic bonds with friends. Incorrect. That is not even remotely the same. Sex as an emotional need is not fungible with close friendship. Sexual/emotional closeness is about validation. It's the only thing …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:13 PM
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That's a level of reality denial that is borderline pathological.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 11:47 AM
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You dropped the disad. If it's not bad, why is incel an insult? Kindness, courtesy, and politeness all literally require someone else's body. Without it, none of them can exist. 0/2.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 02:27 AM
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That was my entire point. You didn't read carefully enough. Your wife is not one in a million. She's just a human like the rest of us. Cus either you hate her or you put her on a pedestal cus to be married and still talk about women as a generic concept means you believe one or the other. Lol Absolutely neither. I love her more than anyone on the planet and would raze cities to the ground before I'd lose her, but she's absolutely not on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 02:20 AM
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It is not bad if someone goes without sex. That's your claim, but just because you claim it does not mean it carries weight. I'd argue it's not bad if people go without kindness, courtesy, politeness, or half a dozen other social norms. Additionally, if your claim is true, why is incel an insult?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:50 AM
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They seem like one, but I'm not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 09:44 PM
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You didn't make a claim about the topic, only about me. I recognize that as bad faith. Want a response? Make a claim about the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:15 PM
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Gotcha. As I said, you have no interest in participating in good faith, so I have no interest in humoring you. Best of luck out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:33 PM
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People who speak as you do have no interest in debate, and I won't devote any meaningful effort to dialogue with someone that has no interest in good faith debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:18 PM
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Got it, so even if it would work, and would potentially do exactly what you previously said you wanted and make society more healthy from a net perspective, that isn't a conversation. Dialogue would be easier if you meant what you actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:16 PM
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Okay, so there are many who argue that 'incels' are a major source of societal ill, a collective burden on the health of society. Do we give them sex somehow to make society healthier?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 12:54 PM
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So we should view it as net benefit, even if that means some people are severely impacted? So long as, overall, we get healthier, we should do whatever action accomplishes that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 12:31 PM
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And some women don't like to talk much, what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 11:48 AM
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Gotcha. So then things like courtesy, kindness, compassion, are not owed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 12:29 AM
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So long as there's no physical contact or threats allowed, public space cannot truly be seized. That language implies something wildly different than my statements are questioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 12:12 AM
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It was just your presence. Their discomfort doesn’t override your right to be there They thought it did. Without it, public space stops being shared. Your alternative turns public life into a free for all where only the strongest, loudest, most shameless get to act freely at the expense of the rest. In practice, its only freedom for the few. All of which are choices. Why should your choice to be meek change mine? We decide what’s intrusive through culture, law, community, debate… it’s messy but …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:57 PM
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What are we owed, and how do we go about determining it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:55 PM
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That's what you think our society is? Healthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:50 PM
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That still is society. There are still laws they will punish you for breaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:49 PM
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Incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:48 PM
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Yes. None of this has any bearing whatsoever on the conversation. Clearly you aren't following.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:18 PM
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Being present in public is not a targeted or intrusive act. According to... who? I was once told my a stranger that because I was armed, I was threatening and they felt intimidated (I was shopping, not interacting with this person.) Do they have any rights? Those acts are not violent by themselves, but they do interfere with people’s basic ability to exist in peace. Why does such a right exist? What qualifies as peace? We already decide all the time what “reasonable standards” are, we base it on…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:57 PM
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You're kind of butting in to an otherwise great dialogue, but I'll humor you. So a single catcall is not harassment? Is yelling at ugly men for daring to approach women harassment? I don't really believe that harassment in public exists. If it does, no, that certainly would not rise to that standard. How about recording and posting unattractive men at the gym? Is the gym public? If so, same answer. If it's private, the owner decides. At the club? Is the club public? If so, same answer. If it's p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:46 PM
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I know. I'm not sure what I think about your question. But your question was irrelevant to my assertion and your challenge. I said a majority of sex workers want to be there. I view OFers as sex workers. I don't believe there are more than a tiny of minority of OFers that are held at gunpoint. I think OFers are the vast majority of all sex workers. Ergo, I believe that the vast majority of sex workers want to be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:43 PM
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I believe that they are sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:35 PM
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The majority of women on OF have guns to their head, how could I forget.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:22 PM
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Most women in sex work want to be there. Taxpayer subsidies should not exist for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:15 PM
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Harassment: repeated/targeted behavior that intrudes on someone’s ability to exist safely and comfortably in a space, particularly after its made clear that the behavior is unwanted. So a single catcall is not harassment? What if I tell someone that their very presence in a public space offends me? Do they then have an obligation to leave? Not everything one person dislikes counts as harassment. Societies use shared, reasonable standards. Who defines reasonable? What’s your stance? If you don’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:13 PM
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It's not. I didn't say that anyone was required to provide romance or sex. I said society has an obligation to provide a legal avenue for sex in the same way it has an obligation to uphold various courtesies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:06 PM
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The actual topic is that men deserve legal access to sex as much as you deserve politeness from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:45 PM
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No false equivalents here. You agree with the position that society doesn't owe you anything. Pretty simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:41 PM
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So you agree, society does NOT owe you any of those things?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:36 PM
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Agreed. Irrelevant to the point of my comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:34 PM
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I believe society ought to prevent behaviors that involve non-consensual interference with others, this includes harassment or coercion. Define harassment and coercion. A lot of behaviors are context dependent, sure, but that’s why our societies rely on consent. What if I don't consent to an action others don't find inappropriate? What if I don't consent to someone's use 'he' to refer to me? Cat calling isn’t simply “saying words” it’s unwarranted/unwanted sexual attention in public, It’s not ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:33 PM
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I don't know what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:17 PM
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My original post is a rhetorical device to encourage dialogue. It's worked quite effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:15 PM
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Ha, absolutely not. I'm attempting to follow a way of thinking about the world to its rational conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:15 PM
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That’s pedantic. “Liberal democracy” is used for systems like representative republics with constitutional protections. You know this, we both do. The core of the issue is the actual principle of mutual non interference under the social contract. No need to go into a terminological rabbit hole. Perhaps, but not for the sake of pedantry. It's important because several people here often make claims that if 'the majority' of a people believe something, it should be taken as true or should be acted …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:13 PM
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Most girls prefer skinny over muscle I've never seen any evidence that is true. Dating will never get easier for men because personality is harder to learn than looks Personality is much easier than looks. You can choose to be a different person tomorrow; you cannot choose to be Brad Pitt tomorrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:49 PM
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Define basic rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:46 PM
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It means that we are either owed things or we are not. If we are owed things, we need to figure out what things we are owed and why we are owed them. If we are not owed things, we are not owed anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:29 PM
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And I did not come across as a tough guy. We owe each other a lot of things. I only want to figure out how we can make those things happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:27 PM
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It is explicitly not an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:26 PM
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You think there’s a nursing shortage bc it hasn’t occurred to anyone to kick bad people out? 🙄 Laws prevent it in many cases. Those laws should not exist. The way you opt out of the social contract is to not live in a society. Which is not actually an option, so therefore you cannot exit it, so therefore it's not a contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:23 PM
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If you acknowledge that you believe the only thing you think society owes one another is fairness, yes, I'll issue a direct apology. All you have to do is say that and I will. No, thr posting forever isn't tough guy anything. I tend to be more hostile when I feel people are debating in bad faith. You come across that way. I don't need the last word, I just don't have much tolerance for bad faith. I'm perfectly fine with disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:21 PM
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Contracts are voluntary or invalid. How does one decline the social contract? How can an emergency room function, for instance, if people can’t sit peacefully in the waiting room? Kick the people who don't behave out. But that's likely a very different conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:15 PM
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Okay. If fairness is the only thing we owe each other, there's not much left to debate. I've never heard anyone make a claim that the only thing owed is fairness before. Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:14 PM
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Do you get to define peace, harmony, and happiness? There are many, many, many, many, many, men who would say that existence without sex cannot be happy. Does their happiness matter? Please be clear, I'm not arguing that anyone owes anyone anything, including sex. I'm only asking that if things are owed, as you are arguing they are, how do we determine what is owed and what is not?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:12 PM
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That is an ought statement, but it doesn't address the actual question: which is how do we determine what we owe to each other? Is fairness the only thing we owe each other? If so, this was much ado about nothing. I was under the impression that you believed we (as a society) owed each other more than one thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:10 PM
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Democracies? Where are those? I don't know of any. You may mean representative democracies (republics), but that's a very different thing. Prohibiting cat calling protects people from an interference, an unpleasant situation nobody likes in our society. That's demonstrably not true. A lot of people like cat calling. First, the people that do it obviously like it, weird as those people are. Second, literally every man I've ever talked to about this would like to be the object of being catcalled. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:08 PM
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Yep, that's correct. Your argument hinges upon society agreeing to your opinions. That's quite convienient for you, but less so for everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:03 PM
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I've read through this thread multiple times looking for it. I couldn't find one (other than that society ought to owe people things.) I'm asking how we ought to figure out what is owed. You said we had a system, but that's not a statement of how thing should be, only of how things are. That would be fine if you were arguing our system was perfect, but you undercut that by immediately showing how horrible our system is, which is how we got sidetracked about criminal justice. So, in summary, eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:58 PM
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Interesting assertion. Well, I genuinely just want conversation and am encouraging you to quote your ought statement. If you do, I'll even apologize and admit I was wrong. If that means I get reported, so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:55 PM
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And you won't?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:54 PM
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Alright. Enjoy the replies for a year or two. You didn't please quote.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:50 PM
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Alright. Enjoy the replies for a year or two. You didn't please quote.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:49 PM
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We? What about people who believe things opposite to you? Do they get to be provided with things they want/believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:48 PM
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Alright. Enjoy the replies for a year or two. You didn't please quote.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:48 PM
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You didn't. Please quote it. I have more patience than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:46 PM
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I'm making a statement. We are owed nothing, good or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:45 PM
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Again, I'm not asking about the side chat. I'm asking about the topic. Provide an ought statement for how we should determine what society owes people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:44 PM
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Excellent, now we're getting somewhere. So your assertion would be that society only prevents behavior, never requires certain behavior, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:43 PM
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I know quite well what semantics are. I'm saying make an ought statement in regard to the original topic. You said that society does owe things to people. I'm asking how we ought to determine what is owed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:38 PM
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That's true, the majority don't like that. Is that enough to mean that society owes it? The majority of people like to have sex, does the same thinking carry?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:36 PM
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Nope, you did not. Quote it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:32 PM
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Well, putting aside that side chat, my original statement stands. You haven't provided an ought statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:30 PM
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Society owes environments where people are not harassing others with verbal or physical language or actions. That assumes multiple things. First, it assumes that society owes someone something. Why? Next, it assumes that you get to define what harassment means. Why should it be that way? You've made some assertions, justify them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:29 PM
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Right, because you personally don't like it. You are relying upon your own definition of harassment and extrapolating that all of society should bend to it. I'm asking why.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:27 PM
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Not semantics at all, it's extremely important. If you care about criminal justice reform, you should focus more on harsher punishments for women because that is a much bigger issue than race. Your hierarchy shouldn't ignore the most blatant bias that exists in order to focus on a lesser issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:26 PM
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It does? Why? And I suppose you get to define what basic decency means?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:23 PM
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We have a legal system which is basically saying "we owe each other stuff". Not to kill, even if one could do so and then say "survival of the fittest, nobody owed you anything" is perhaps the most obvious example. That's a statement of what exists (and even that it doesn't get exactly correct.) I'm asking for what should exist and why. Provide an ought statement. We also owe each other that said legal system is implemented fairly, not "one race gets more leniency" which happens all the time. Ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:22 PM
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Ah, so society owes you politeness? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:07 PM
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It really is. It advances no meaningful assertion on which to build or rebut. It's just a generic statement 'we should do it.' Do what? How, specifically? What are some examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:06 PM
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That's too generic to engage with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:53 PM
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Not unless it's a threat of physical action. 'Hey sweetcheeks, nice tits,' is just a compliment from an ogre.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:49 PM
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And how do we determine what the collective society owes each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:39 PM
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Or courtesy or kindness or politeness or respect or anything. You can leer at them, catcall them, and do anything else (so long as you ONLY effect their feelings/emotions and not their physical bodies.) And anyone who argues otherwise should also argue against the premise of this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:32 PM
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Nobody is owed ANYTHING from anyone else. Full stop. You aren't owed anything, fucktard! (Before my post gets deleted, the above is a sort of metaphor or example, I'm not actually intending to insult them. Please read this twice before nuking me.)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:00 PM
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I'd argue the reverse. More men settled than women did.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:00 AM
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What happens to a society where a large segment of the population aren't getting their basic needs met? The problem is that women (as a group, not as individuals) deny that sex even counts as a basic need. They tend to go feral at the very idea of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 11:57 PM
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I think it's more simple: men change less than women do. The parts of men that women fall in love with basically stay the same, or in many cases grow, as the years do. Their sense of humor, their passion, their capability to provide, etc. Things do change, but they are generally things women don't care about as much. Men, OTOH, often sacrifice all of their top priorities: intense, passionate sex, and physical effort of their partner towards beauty. So, from many men's perspective, they sacrifice…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 11:49 PM
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Many people simply don’t lust anyone right away. That's likely true. Such people will never have one night stands. So long as your partner lusts after you at least as much as they have anyone before, that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 01:53 PM
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This is probably the single most accurate thing ever posted here. I've been married nearly 20 years, and the more times passes, the more I realize how absolutely critical lust is. If you two don't share a deep and abiding lust for one another, the chances that things will work plummet. Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 12:01 AM
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Lust just isn’t enough anyway, it’s superficial and can go on for a few years but it’s not enough. It can go on much longer than that, and it's not 'enough,' but it absolutely is foundational.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 11:53 PM
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Your complaints aren't valid complaints. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 07:12 PM
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And men will still talk about what matters to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:57 PM
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Nah. Only my personal hierarchies of priority matter, so I'm going to ignore women's. I learned it from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:54 PM
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Exactly. So they can STFU about being lonely. How about you STFU about men? After all, your hierarchy isn't ours. So perhaps, take your own advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:49 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:45 PM
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I disagree. I think you actually disagree as well, you just cannot admit it. The number one topic discussed here is, at least arguably, male loneliness. Zero to do with laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:55 PM
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I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:39 PM
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I disagree. I used 'I' terms for issues where I believe I may not represent many/most men, and I used 'we' terms for situations where I do believe my view represents that of most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:33 PM
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Correct. However, it's difficult to have a conversation about a large scale issue in singular terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:31 PM
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Example 1: Look at Trump winning. He won on immigration, the economy, and overturning DEI programs. NOT to address men’s issues. What if men don't want the government to do anything on social issues? I care deeply about men's issues, but I don't believe it's the government's job to do anything. Example 2: The male voting demographic Similar to 1, American men are not focused on men’s rights. I care deeply about men's issues, but I don't believe it's the government's job to do anything. Example 3…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:05 PM
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Well the data isn't like a survey or anything. They attached a device (has a weird name like phonectograph) It's called a photoplethysmograph. The study is likely either: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14681990500238802?scroll=top&needAccess=true Or, if it was a meta analysis, this one: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-009-9556-9
/r/MensRights02/02/25 10:02 PM
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There's a third option.
/r/MensRights02/02/25 09:47 PM
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Democrats are not aligned with equality and the odds they become moreso are near zero.
/r/MensRights02/02/25 09:10 PM
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No, you didn't, at least not at scale. I've been insulted in every damn way you can be my other men, but never about my dick. That's been exclusively an insult from women online.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 08:58 PM
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It's not rude to give someone what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 11:15 PM
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I'm a man, but potentially not the kind of man you're looking for answers from as I'm not in the dating pool. Nonetheless, this is interesting so I'm going to participate, attempting to think from the perspective of if I was dating. In what sorts of situations should a woman tell you about her preferences? In-person? Online? All. If a woman rejects you, would you prefer her to be specific about why she is rejecting you? Hyper-specific, to the point of brtuality if absolutely required. I want her…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 09:21 PM
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I've been accused of many things. I've been called a Democrat, a Republican, a reactionary, a radical; I've been called a hippie, a hooligan, and a goody two shoes, but I've never before been accused of wanting people to like me. I can't wait to tell my wife tonight. We're going to have a good chuckle.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:15 PM
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If virtually every woman consistently expressed the sentiment that Gucci was absolutely critical to their emotional/mental health, I would show empathy for women who couldn't afford it. I'd also be open to discussions concerning how to expand Gucci access, so long as those discussions didn't tolerate coercion, theft, or force. But hey, that's me. I'm on the 'not empathetic' side.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:57 PM
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Thank you for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:21 PM
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Indeed. Enjoy a digital beer, on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:16 PM
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The idea that women don't have a right to reject men is a radically niche position. Most men just value sex extremely highly and suffer emotionally when they don't have it. That's not a position that you have empathy for.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:16 PM
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Ta-da!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:14 PM
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That's not a particularly complicated opinion, so I'm not really sure why you're repeatedly telling it to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:14 PM
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I like to be clear. I see a lot of misunderstandings around here even when the language is quite obvious, so additional clarity has value.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:12 PM
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Of course you do. You view their values hierarchy as being so laughable that you can't even provide empathy for their difficulties.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:11 PM
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And I absolutely do. The moment that someone calls for censorship of an idea, that person should be viewed as having a child-like intellect. They should not be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:09 PM
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I agree. Unfortunately, it's sad to see others have such incredibly low standards of care for other people groups that they view as less than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:03 PM
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As long as you admit it, that's fine. It's exactly what men expect, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:00 PM
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Got it. So, in your view, no empathy is ever deserved simply because someone is suffering, but only if the uninvolved third party thinks that suffering is reasonable. The third party's judgment alone is a perfect defense that empathy is unwarranted.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:56 PM
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We don't, but likewise, you also don't get to demand support or empathy. True, but that makes it acceptable for us to call out the fact that you have no empathy. For the side that always claims to be the caring and empathetic ones, that empathy never seems to extend outside of people who share their exact beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:53 PM
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Merely censoring something doesn't inherently make that something legitimate True, but it does eliminate the ability to trust the person advocating for the censorship. The call for censorship of an idea immediately removes any credibility on the part of the person calling for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:51 PM
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So, just so that I can confirm I read your comments in the way that you intended them, here is what I heard: 'Unless men prioritize things that I personally find to be legitimate, they lose credibility. The values of men must match my own or they do not have any validity and it's perfectly fine to downplay their needs.' Is that how you meant it to sound, or did, just perhaps, you phrase it poorly? I'm assuming that you don't genuinely believe that you get to decide what matters to an entire popu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:41 PM
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Yep. And, if all that wasn't enough, assuming you're ballpark of average, if you know what you are doing and show her a great time, the chances that she then rejects you so that she can go find a 'vacation dick' are near 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 12:20 AM
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Billions. That describes almost all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 11:37 PM
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I agree. You outlined your position clearly. That's exactly my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 11:36 PM
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Like height and penis size. I generally agree with your post, and you're definitely right about height, but penis size isn't a real issue unless you're truly small. Women insult men about it for effect, but most women don't actually care that much about it. I'd argue there's at least a marginal chance that many women would choose to decrease their partner's size rather than increase it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 11:35 PM
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I've consistently been factual. You simply seem to lack the capacity to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 11:32 PM
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It's also misleading, for the reasons outlined. It's not. I didn't ask how FICA taxes work, I asked why you magically decided they didn't count. Because they don't go towards what you were talking about. TIL stating facts is a political ideology. Only one of us is doing that, and it's not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 11:20 PM
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Nope, it's not. What I said is accurate. taxes are direct service taxes and would never be relevant to your stated topic of interest, such as men's homeless shelters or suicide hotlines. Why not? Because that's not how FICA taxes work. Those are used for specific purposes, namely social security and Medicare. Do you legitimately not understand how the system works? That's a faulty syllogism. Nope. Unless you're going to claim they're inexcusably ignorant about a topic that has been all over the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 09:57 PM
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I said "taxation" isn't theft and you immediately shifted to the grossly misleading "47% of people don't pay income taxes" which ignores the host of other taxes they pay, most notably payroll taxes? It's not misleading, it's factual. (Also, I said 40-47%. Estimates vary.) Additionally, payroll (FICA) taxes are direct service taxes and would never be relevant to your stated topic of interest, such as men's homeless shelters or suicide hotlines. I didn't say that, I said the manosphere claims to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:09 PM
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Right. Except 40-47% of the American population doesn't pay income taxes. Regardless, that's beside the point. Your assertion presume your politics are correct. That assumption is irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:51 PM
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If it's paid for with stolen money (non-voluntary taxation), yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:32 PM
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Yes, I know. You attacked the manosphere because your politics say that if you don't suck off the government, you don't care about people. That assertion carries no weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:25 PM
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Your semantic argument is tiresome. I'll rephrase for you: You started off with an assertion that the manosphere doesn't care about men's issues. That's distinctly an attack. You were unable to separate your politics from the topic. The manosphere absolutely does care about men's issues. They just don't agree with your political solutions to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:36 PM
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I said the manosphere doesn't care about men's issues. Which it does. So, that's an attack. My point stands. Your politics don't determine whether someone (or some group) cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:04 PM
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Is this a conversation about politics or about how men interact with the political sphere? No, I don't want a king. I also don't believe he violated the law with a temporary freeze on loans and grants. That said, I'm here to discuss gendered issues, not specifically politics, so if you want a solely political debate, I will decline to engage in this venue. You're welcome to check my post history and engage in political debates with me in spaces where that is the primary focus.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:42 PM
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You started off with an assertion that men don't care about men. That's distinctly an attack. You were unable to separate your politics from the topic. Men absolutely do care about men's issues. They just don't agree with your political solutions to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:33 PM
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Says the person that started the conversation off by attacking men. Now you complain that you get it back in-kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:22 PM
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Men, unlike women, are not always primarily concerned about themselves. I think it's great he froze funding for all those things, as I don't believe that the federal government should be funding any of them. Even though men may bear the brunt of the burden, I find that acceptable because my first concern isn't myself or 'my people,' it's about what I view as morally just. Men's issues aren't threatened by Trump unless you are foolish enough to believe that the federal government is an appropriat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 03:40 PM
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It's parroted mindlessly that women "are as toxic as men". But is it objectively true? 1) women score higher in empathy and prosocial behaviors https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-47747-9 2) You're assuming that study truly measures empathy. I see no evidence that it does. It labels a subset of behaviors as empathetic, but not in a way that is objective or well controlled. Most of the worst criminals are male. So are most of the geniuses. Does that men are smarter than women? 3) "but what…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 04:00 PM
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As an adult who intentionally moved away from the place I grew up and into 'polite society,' I've never met a male abuser, but I've met quite a number of female abusers. Are anecdotes good arguments in this space?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:54 PM
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Is your perspective that every rapist would want to rape every single body? If that's your opinion, I can understand your argument. I can't even technically prove you wrong as I have no idea whether or not rapists want to rape literally everyone. I am operating from the assumption that rapists would not want to rape every single body but rather only bodies that fit some physical criteria and are targets that make it easier for them to succeed. So, if you are willing to concede that you truly bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:15 PM
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It may mean that. It must mean that they want your body. That's the compliment part.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:10 PM
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True. Which is why rape is never a compliment, something I isolated very specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:04 PM
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I never said it did, but the inverse is also true. Your offense doesn't mean I'm wrong. Men rape women they find to be easy victims. So do women. I'm not sure what this admittedly true statement has to do with our discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:00 PM
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My opinion is blatantly untrue? How? You clearly looked through my post history, but clearly not closely enough. I have been raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:51 PM
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I'm not remotely upset. I'm typing with a smile on my face. I find this all to be extremely amusing. For those of us adults who interact with those who have your habits, it's absolutely hysterical to be insulted in such a way. It accomplishes nothing for your side except to make you seem like children.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:50 PM
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It's an OPINION that is absolutely not ignorant. You may find it offensive, but I'm offended that you're taking offense, so who cares? It's an opinion that offends you, and that makes me 'guilty.' Boohoo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:46 PM
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Ha! Now I'm guilty not because of my behavior, but because I have an opinion you dislike. Wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:35 PM
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Not just a guy. A woman wanting to rape me would also be a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:23 PM
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And then there are posts from people who are happily married, with kids, who have no history of posting any of that and yet the same arguments get trotted out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:20 PM
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i’m not arguing the morality of it dude I’m just saying that insults are more effective when they’re tailored to the audience Let's take a look, shall we? Incel: This insult can almost never be tailored because you almost never know anything about the other person's sex life. I've been called incel while looking for a towel afterwards (that was pretty hilarious timing.) Short: Easy to tailor but almost never is. JDV, for example. 6'0ish and called a dwarf. Dumb Short dick, compensating: Unless y…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:13 PM
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They can't even handle being told that they should shut up and lose 80lbs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:05 PM
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Hahahahahahahahaha! Sorry, it slipped out, I didn't mean to be rude there. Sundays off? You clearly have never experienced the unique joy/hell that is competitive youth sports. Edit: Also, once a month?! That's effectively nothing. Not even a meaningful friendship at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:20 AM
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That's the hard part. Actually being able to see friends requires more effort than anything else. It's ridiculously difficult to see friends on anything resembling a regular basis. If it's once a month, that's miraculous. It's possible I don't understand your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:54 PM
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And that's mine; you definitely are the exception. Marriages are built in plans. It's the de facto arrangement, meaning that friendships are inherently more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:44 PM
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You being an exception doesn't change much.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:25 PM
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My wife and I hang out with 'the guys' or 'the girls' sometimes, too, but that's radically harder to arrange than my relationship with her. That's why it's easy mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:11 PM
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Neither. My friends are busy with their own lives and kids. My wife is my life (along with my kids.) She's in everything I do and plan by default, which makes it extremely easy. Romantic is easy mode compared to relationships that require extensive planning.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:04 PM
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I don't see how you're going to be successful at romantic relationships. Those are friendships on hard mode lol Hardly. Romantic relationships are wildly easier than friendships. My relationship with my wife is easy mode compared to friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:01 PM
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Your anecdotal nonsense shows nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:15 PM
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Yeah, same to you, kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:08 PM
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That's one of the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on reddit. Few men enjoy anything more than making a woman orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:03 PM
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This doesn't seem like a relevant or productive line of discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:56 PM
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Yep. I don't consider short term success to be enough to label something successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:49 PM
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as soon as she inserted herself ...by politely asking to join in a public space? Yes. That's inserting herself. Please note, I didn't say or suggest she actually did anything wrong. the group never had a true chance to fulfill its original purpose Which was what? A group of guys who wanted to focus on chess.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:38 PM
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Oh, gotcha. In that case, my answer is light red pill. Better yourself as much as possibly financially and physically (in that order) and then attempt to find a young woman who will fill that hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:36 PM
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Your solutions do not offend me. I just suggested a way to better execute solution 1 : to be clearer in what you are describing as women may not even understand what you mean by loneliness ( I didn't until I came to this thread). That doesn't work online, men are simply shouted at and/or called incels when they do. In person, sure. Solution 2 is not up to me. I am from Southern Europe. It does. You still inhabit digital space. You can talk about it online when the topic comes up. I did say that …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:06 PM
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The problem is, you refer to it as "loneliness epidemic" while it's not exactly this. My country calls it something that could be translated to "affective/romantic misery" which is more accurate. So in order for it to be acknowledged it needs to be correclty named as loneliness is affecting everybody and can be dealt with with family and friendship ties but romantic sadness cannot. We call it loneliness. I wish we had a better term, but we do not. Men online will sometimes attempt to specify, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:43 PM
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I'm a bit over 40 with 2 kids and a 20 year marriage. Your childish insults make you sound like you're a freshman in college who thinks she's grown.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:16 PM
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First, and arguably most importantly, publicly acknowledge that men who cannot find healthy ways to engage emotionally and physically with women have a legitimate reason to be lonely. Provide these men genuine, publicly expressed, sympathy. Think of it in the same way you'd provide sympathy for someone whose mom died. You can't do anything to help, it's not your fault whatsoever, but you can acknowledge it and give sympathy. Next, actively encourage spaces for men where women are explicitly excl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:14 PM
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That's the simpleton response, sure. It ignores human nature in favor of a reductionist catchphrase, but it sure is handy to lob into a conversation to score points.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:51 PM
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Every single time. In early college, I was a part of an informal chess club of 8-10 guys. We'd get together Thursday nights and play/discuss chess. Went smoothly for first semester. Second semester, a woman stopped by and watched. Being good natured, when she asked to play, we said yes. Plus, saying 'no women allowed' would have been a major social no-no. She started coming every week. She was reasonably pleasant, of pretty average attractiveness (a standard few of us met,) and so naturally, sev…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:50 PM
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It is, very much so. Which is another reason it's so incredibly difficult to solve. Now, don't get me wrong, in the absence of relationships, other kinds of interpersonal connections are valuable, even essential, but they are only balm on a wound. They will never heal it entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:52 PM
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What you quoted doesn't assertion what you imply it asserts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 08:20 PM
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Still you. Always has been you. Will never be anyone other than you (at least, in this conversation.) I explicitly said that being raped is horrible and not a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 08:02 PM
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I didn't say that. In fact, I explicitly said that being raped was not a compliment. You are bad at reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 07:59 PM
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As I stated earlier in this exchange, I have been raped. Your bad faith nonsense is why you cannot be taken seriously. If you see my posts in the future, please attempt to avoid responding to them and I will extend you the same courtesy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 07:55 PM
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This is why it's so hard to engage with blue pill people online. I suspected that you had no meaningful interest in good faith debate, which is why I went out of my way to ask. You assured me you were, so I engaged. I answered your question and follow up questions. I told you that yes, I would be flattered by absolutely everything you suggested. I even gave a real life affirmation that even nonconsensual options can have mental benefits. The only thing I didn't do was say that I would allow myse…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 07:44 PM
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Dude, you didn't have to kill her again, she was already dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:13 PM
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What do you say to those men who say these things but are on the other side of things? Men who found their one person who did solve their loneliness issues and are in fulfilling, mutually beneficial, very happy relationships with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:08 PM
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A SINGLE person can't solve your loneliness. That's false. You may be able to argue that one person shouldn't, or perhaps that one person isn't enough in all cases, but it's patently false that one person can't ever be a cure for loneliness in all cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:04 PM
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I've never had that experience. Most heterosexual men that I've talked to on this topic haven't either. Men aren't a monolith, though, so there are likely exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 12:58 PM
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You, again, didn't engage with the question I asked. This does not feel like good faith. I have no interest in answering your questions if you won't answer mine. How is it that men having options is good, but women having options is bad, IF BOTH CHOOSE TO ABSTAIN?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 12:57 PM
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Why is women having options bad, but men having options good, assuming both choose to abstain?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 10:38 PM
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Oh, so you’re not talking about average men, but rather absolute complete recluses. Nope. No it’s not. They just don’t like their IRL options. Nope. 🙄. It’s filthy to not copy the whole of your comment, when it’s right there and easy to read for everyone? Ok, fine I’m “filthy”. I’m responding to your comment, not rewriting it for you. Yes. Intentionally leaving out important parts so that you don't have to argue against them is filthy. It's bad faith. Your claim is that child support was killing…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 09:48 PM
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It’s much more nuanced than “that’s rape.” Because if it was, I’d have to convict every dude I slept with from 16-24. ..... And as the person who consented to the act, yes I can withdraw consent, but that not exactly feasible. I disagree. Just foundationally. I’m trying to paint this picture because when I see men thinking we are so lucky to be offered this kind of treatment, they’re saying we should be lucky someone wants to rape us. You kind of circled back to my original point. Why would anyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 09:09 PM
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Well, to get the obvious out of the way, that's rape. As someone who was a victim of rape as a child, I don't believe that any 'first experience' which occurs during rape counts, and I wouldn't (and didn't) allow that to interfere with other encounters. Which ties back into what I said: I've never tried it, doubt I'd like it, but my previous experience would stop me from trying it. And, yes, I would still be flattered if that woman wanted to do that, but no, I wouldn't actually do it with her. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 08:20 PM
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Try it. Get on Tinder an be an average man. You won't get matches. A completely perfect example of what I mean! You seem to be of the mistaken belief that swiping right, on an app where men outnumber women more than 3 to 1, is the only option because you want the unobtainable fantasy of merely swiping and getting instant sex with hot young babes, and don’t like the real options that average men have: being charming and pursuing their average female peers in real life. Total strawman and not base…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 07:35 PM
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Nonetheless, I was deeply, abidingly, lonely For Sure, I've been there too. And with hindsight, I can say that having a girlfriend would not have been the magic cure all I thought it would be. You can't know that. Plus, no one said anything about magic. but I do believe that most men who suffer from loneliness *do* have friends and some level of social connection but that isn't sufficient to overcome his loneliness. And if this was true, what should be done about it? Because it is consistently f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 01:18 AM
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That's true, nonetheless, people get upset about that sort of stuff. Heck, depending on the words used, you may get banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:11 PM
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Congratulations, you belong here.
/r/MensRights24/01/25 09:10 PM
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Any variety of the argument you prefer. As it stands, abortion is legal in most places. Mothers get 100% of the choice whether they get an abortion. Fathers get 0% choice. As such, if a woman doesn't want to be a mother, she can choose that. If a man doesn't, he has no option if the woman decides he's going to be. (And if men want to be fathers but the woman doesn't want to be a mother, she can choose to kill his offspring.) So, there would be three main ways to make the scenario equal: 1) Make …
/r/MensRights24/01/25 08:53 PM
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Alrighty. I don't know if I enjoy it as I have never tried. I would be surprised if I liked it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:45 PM
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That third one is referencing abortion.
/r/MensRights24/01/25 08:41 PM
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Gotcha, so you would support equality in all my examples? If so, welcome, you absolutely belong here.
/r/MensRights24/01/25 08:33 PM
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Why are you okay with double standards? ie, It's okay to want a man taller than you but it's fatphobic to want a skinny woman? Or, it's okay to expect men to be providers but unacceptable to expect women to uphold traditional gender roles? Or, it's acceptable to women a way out of parental responsibility but allowing a men a way out of parental responsibility is unacceptable? Just some examples, there are quite a few more that women are more likely to be okay with.
/r/MensRights24/01/25 08:22 PM
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That is factually untrue. No. There are options. They just don’t pursue them. They want a healthy, attractive, young woman, and think if they cannot get that, then they have “zero” options. False. Try it. Get on Tinder an be an average man. You won't get matches. You have zero safety net as an average man. Almost all men are quite a bit stronger than almost all women. If you are a man, then unless you fuck other men, the people you pursue for sex are far too weak to just ignore your sexual reque…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:07 PM
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I'll go along with you and argue in good faith so long as you are willing to do the same, deal?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:41 PM
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So how is that any different from any woman who could not arouse you? Would you sleep with “my 600# life”’s Amy, for example? Pretending I was single, no, I wouldn't sleep with her. However, I would feel good if she told me that she would sleep with me. Any acknowledgement that I am sexually desired by a woman, no matter how unattractive, makes me feel better about myself. The sex doesn't need to physically occur for the safety net to be present. That safety net is so prevelant for women that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:36 PM
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1) I'm married and not looking for anything outside that. 2) I'm not a homosexual. No man, no matter what situation, could ever arouse me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:31 PM
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Of course you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:27 PM
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Yep. Say it online and it's immediate 'incel.'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:25 PM
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Of course they do. You seem to be conflating many things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:06 PM
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To many men, saying 'I'm lonely' is saying that they want a relationship with a healthy sex life. That's the only kind of lonely that most men understand. I have interpreted the male loneliness epidemic as men not having enough friends or a support network. Which is a huge issue. Solve that and men no longer feel pressured into getting into a relationship they wouldn't have wanted to be in otherwise. You've interpreted it incorrectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:05 PM
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I don't think that is an experience that many men experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:00 PM
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It is always better to have 2 options than 0. By that metric, then, most men should be happy. Almost no men have actually 0 options. They just don’t like the options they have. Something you shit on women for disliking. That is factually untrue. For starters, for heterosexual men who reject and avoid sex with other men, they will almost never risk having sex with someone stronger than them who can use physical force to hurt them. I don't understand this response. I thought I did, but then I read…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:53 PM
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It’s the closest comparison. Because finding someone attractive is really the key part here. You expect women to be “grateful” for this casual sex, despite not finding anyone attractive enough for said casual sex. Incorrect. The ability to have sex with a potential partner is a sort of loneliness safety net. Even if you don't want to jump into it, knowing it exists is a comfort. Hetereosexual men do not have that safety net. Your metaphor doesn't hold water because it doesn't address like for li…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:49 PM
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In the same way that people understand how to have sex without ever being taught. In the same way that infants cry out to be held even though they've never been taught.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:47 PM
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It inherently is. It is *always* better to have 2 options than 0. That said, I'm willing to play along. is not necessarily better than having more limited but almost entirely safer options. Which options to men have that are 'more limited but safer' in the context of this discussion? We are talking about sex between consenting heterosexual adults. What 'limited but safer' options exist for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:41 PM
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That's true as well, but nonetheless, it is. A heterosexual woman *can* locate someone that is attractive to her to have consensual sex with, even if she finds that sex to be unpleasant. A hetereosexual man *cannot* necessarily locate someone that is attractive to him to have consensual sex with. You are not comparing like for like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:36 PM
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I don't think that's based on reality. I've had this conversation with many, many, many men. I've been interested in male loneliness since I was a teenager when I suffered from it to the greatest extremes. I was quite close to being a statistic on several occasions. I had a pretty wide social network, extremely supportive family, and several extremely close friends (mostly two specific people.) Nonetheless, I was deeply, abidingly, lonely. I met my future wife, who was immediately attracted to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:28 PM
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You 'seeing it' does not make it valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:08 PM
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I would argue that it is more common for loneliness to go away when a man gets into a relationship with a woman than it is for the loneliness to remain after that relationship is established.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 05:28 PM
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Because it often is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 05:19 PM
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Because that is not a solution to the problem. Hanging out with men does not make me (or most men that I've talked about this with) feel less lonely. The problem is the feeling of loneliness and that problem isn't solved by hanging out with other men. Being alone in a crowded room is a very real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 05:01 PM
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You can have the same amount of meaningless sex I can. No, he almost certainly cannot do that. Your assertion that he can have as much gay sex as he wants doesn't invalidate his point whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:56 PM
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It's, perhaps, not a perfect metaphor, but the larger point is accurate. Just because you are a vegan does not mean that having the option to eat meat is worse than having nothing whatsoever to eat. Options do matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:55 PM
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You are exactly correct. Very well summarized.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:14 PM
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They might be telling her a truth, but they aren't telling her the truth. 'Hey doc, where am I, what happened to me?' 'You're in the hospital. You fell down at one point and scraped your arm.' Neglects to mention that the reason he fell down was because someone hit him in the head with an axe.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:56 PM
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This cannot be asked in good faith. I literally do not believe it can be. Her friends are lying to her face. The cold hard truth is that she is morbidly obese and needs to lose probably 100lbs before she's in the realm of most men viewing her as a decent dating prospect. She *may* be intelligent and she *may* be confident, but men don't care. They care that she's ugly and lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:47 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 12:59 PM
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They can, yes. However, when properly prepared beforehand, those issues can usually be avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:21 PM
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You can label a horse a zebra if you want, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:18 PM
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Men need solutions, not talk therapy. We need to feel publicly supported in the same way that women are. Some good first steps would be to campaign in favor of things like life sentences for people who falsify rape allegations, court reform to ensure men are treated equally in divorce courts, lobby for women to be forced to sign up for selective service just as men are, ensure that male victims of domestic violence are heard (sort of a #believeallmen event), talk loudly and often about toxic fem…
/r/MensRights21/01/25 08:23 PM
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Yes, that is absolutely a fair way to put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 05:10 PM
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People throughout history have made the argument that some human beings don't actually count as human beings. You are not the first, nor the last.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 05:06 PM
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They are top of the queue, no doubt. But all newborns are pretty easy to adopt out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 04:58 PM
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That's definitely top of the queue. That said, any newborn is still easy to adopt out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 04:58 PM
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Good point. We should allow people to murder human beings when they decide it's best for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:54 PM
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Says the person arguing that 'what's best for children' is to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:52 PM
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Absolutely not. But when you can't argue facts, accuse the other side of being a meany head.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:49 PM
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It’s still kids that need homes. And I know your numbers are nonsense https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families Surely it’s a better system to avoid children in care altogether by preventing any unwanted pregnancies and good potential parents can adapt children that for whatever reason have ended up in care 1) That's more about the foster care system than the adoption conversation. 2) Not when 'avoiding' means killing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:43 PM
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It's you missing the point, and deliberately. New babies up for immediate unentangled adoption aren't problems. They'd find immediate homes. The waiting lists for those children are millions. The problems are 2-17 year olds with custody issues. The two are entirely different conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:37 PM
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Negative. Many/most custody issues arrive later and cannot be predicted at birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:34 PM
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I’m not debating how the children got into care. The point is there are far more children already in the system needing care than their are people that can look after them. Correct. Irrelevant to the topic, but factually accurate. Forcing woman to have more kids they cant afford and no one wants is just adding to the problem and is costing everyone Factually incorrect. 2 million want infant newborns ready for immediate adoption without legal entanglements.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:30 PM
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Incorrect. Babies with no legal entanglements are adopted almost immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:24 PM
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That's factually untrue. Most children in foster care were not given up at birth. Most have complicated custody issues, were taken away by the state, etc. You are spreading misinformation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:23 PM
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No. There's 2 million or so people waiting to adopt infants in the US. Just have the kid, sign away your rights to them forever, and move on. That would be taking accountability. Killing an innocent human being is avoiding responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:06 PM
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Being fit, happy, adventurous, amorous, and peaceful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 07:52 PM
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I guess I've never heard of that situation. Being formally asked to hook up. Is that common? Usually, I'd always assumed, it's unspoken physical signals that both parties understand mean good-to-go. I guess if the scenario is specifically about one guy asking and the next not, then I should bow out of this conversation as its hyper-specific nnature is outside my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 03:13 AM
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Only if you assume that the previous guy was only given said hook up explicitly because he asked and not because she wanted him to dick her down. But, again, your hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 02:46 AM
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My recommendation would be to choose a woman, marry her, and have no need to compete. It's worked for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:25 AM
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This is your hypothetical scenario, not mine. Let me know.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:20 AM
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My wife and I did that challenge a few years ago. I crafted her profile and she crafted mine, constrained by true things that made us both sound as good as possible. Took good photos crafted for the purpose. We did it while on a long vacation to eliminate potential weird stuff. The first day, we swiped on people we would actually be interested in. The second day, we used the other person's and swiped on people we thought were a good match for them. Then we did nothing for the next five days. In …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:32 PM
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Who is 'he?' I'm assuming it's the person who is upset in your scenario, is that correct? If so, he wants, at minimum, anything that another man was given sexually. Anything less makes him automatically less desirable, second place, etc. This is especially true as it pertains to time. If you can't restrain yourself sexually with another man, but can with me, I'm clearly second place in the category that matters most. Refer to my previous post about how most men feel about being second place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:18 PM
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I'm not sure what the question means. Who is he? What is the purpose of the question being asked?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:10 PM
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Imprecise language. If she doesn't have sex immediately, almost no man cares unless she's done so with other men previously. In order to feel truly desired by a woman, most men must feel at least as desired as any other man a woman has had sex with. Second place isn't good enough, tied for first is the absolute minimum. This is very easy for men to understand but women seem to struggle, even when explained in very simple terms. I do not understand why.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:03 PM
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It is not iffy whatsoever at all. If both are drunk, there is no problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:58 PM
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So men dont feel desired when a woman cares about what he has to say? Correct. Dont feel desired when she partakes in his hobbies she initially never cared about? Correct. Dont feel desired that she takes time out her day to help him out? Correct. Dont feel desired when she gives you gifts? Correct. Dont feel desired when she takes time out her day to spend time with his friends/family in gathering? Correct. Dont feel desired, even when there’s makeup, flirting, and/or compliment on his appearan…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:06 PM
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I view it as rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:08 PM
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No. I oppose remote voting for all people. Day of, in person voting only.
/r/MensRights19/01/25 03:27 AM
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1) You should identify yourself, yes. A man dating a 'trans female' is just a gay man. 2) All people have a place in a movement based on equality.
/r/MensRights19/01/25 03:16 AM
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Which I acknowledged.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 12:04 AM
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No luck needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 11:21 PM
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Than I chose the wrong one. I don't believe in self-worth, tbh. If you are the only person that values you, you are worthless. A dollar only has value because people agree it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 11:16 PM
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You just proved my argument. You’re not saying you ‘grew’—you’re saying you became dependent on your wife to fill a need you never addressed yourself. That’s exactly the issue. It's no issue at all. That's my point. I’m saying men shouldn’t let their self-worth be entirely dependent on someone else’s presence. I recognize that, which is why my question is simple: why? If finding the right woman makes the 'problem' a non-issue, why even bother trying to fix said 'problem?'
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 11:01 PM
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Not true. My wife is not online almost at all and we recently discussed sex robots after watching Subservience. She hates the idea of sex robots. Yes, that's anecdotal, but I'm absolutely certainly the OP is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:59 PM
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I’m not dismissing your relationship or the impact your wife had on you. A great partner can absolutely provide love, and support, and even inspire personal growth. But ultimately, sustained change has to come from within. Why? Think of it like hunger, if I don't eat, I'm going to get hungry. Food solves hunger. As long as the food sticks around, I'm not worried about hunger. If your wife helped you grow, that’s amazing—but the reason it worked is because you were open to that change. The proble…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:42 PM
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The ones who believe that once they find the right woman, everything will click into place. But no woman—not even the best one—can fix the parts of you that you refuse to fix yourself. What is your response to those of us who disagree? I recognize myself in your post, and you make multiple valid arguments, but the above is just wrong. My wife fixed those parts of me. It had zero to do with me, just her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:04 PM
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She is. I'm not guessing, I'm stating a fact that she regularly expresses in many ways, including the expression of her desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 12:17 AM
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That's not been my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:01 PM
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You shouldn't, she's quite happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:00 PM
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I stand by what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 10:04 PM
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Perhaps, but any love that lacks lust isn't love either. At least not the kind of love that's adequate for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 11:53 PM
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Could you name some things that you would argue could be complicating factors? I think that's a reasonable definition, but mine would be much more direct and significant, not just an appetite, but a burning want. More akin to how a person dying of thirst thinks of water than how someone who skipped lunch thinks of dinner. I think another way to think about it is like this (from the male perspective): if a woman has ever been able to sexually objectivize a man to the extent that she's willing to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:19 PM
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Arg! Years of improper governance wasted!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:54 PM
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As long as you are perfectly happy to perform the job yourself, I 100% agree. If you are not, it is quite unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 07:19 PM
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They aren't. I'd hazard a guess that you and I would struggle to define terms, however. If you'd start by defining desire we can see. All other factors are irrelevant, with the exception of non-consensual situations, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 07:12 PM
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This in no way makes sexual behavior a clear and unambiguous indicator of desire. Men disagree. Sex is the only true measure of desire that exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:50 PM
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It feels like you missed mine. No, measuring horny is pretty easy. Just watch how quickly sex happens and in what conditions. My wife doesn't care much for salt and vinegar chips. She pretty much always avoids them. However, occasionally I'll find her eating some anyway. The reason is universally the same: she's really freaking hungry. However, when asked, she usually says something other than 'I'm freaking starving.' What a person says is not a 1:1. What they do, however...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:34 PM
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How often you're fucking someone is a pretty low indicator of how healthy a relationship is. Granted, my sample size is as small as you can get (one woman man,) but in the course of my two decades of that relationship, I vehemently disagree. The incidence of sexual congress and the health of my relationship are nearly 1.00
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:31 PM
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No need to. Your reply was sufficient evidence of the point I intended to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:28 PM
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There aren't a thousand other components to men, though. We generally only care about one: how immediately horny do I make you? That's the sole question being asked. The answer almost all men want is: at least as horny as any man I've ever been with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:26 PM
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Thanks. Perfect answer to get my point across.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:13 PM
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You do? Could list those standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 06:02 PM
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Your perception is not reality. Your feelings of unsafety do not mean you were unsafe. No, 1 in 3 are not. That number is entirely whole cloth.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:59 PM
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That's like saying a paranoid schizophrenic 'isn't just going to feel like they are being watched... it comes from somewhere.' True, and that somewhere is delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:44 PM
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Blue pill gonna blue pill. When you can't argue facts, argue feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:00 PM
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Yes, absolutely, but with great caution. If you find the right woman, it's still worth it. The key is her background. Don't look so much at today, look at how she grew up. Are her parents still together? Do they have a good relationship? Has she been brought up in a culture/faith that deeply respects marriage?
/r/MensRights24/12/24 01:59 PM
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Not disposable, no. I'm not just going to stand there, I'm going to attempt to remove that person, who I do view as disposable, from existence. I simply value my life less than I value my wife's. The same goes for my children. I wouldn't hesitate a second to give up my life for any of theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:53 PM
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I spent some time in NC after the hurricane to help with clean up. You are, and I cannot emphasize this enough, WRONG. There wasn't a single person other than me there with a college degree. No one cared about the color of skin of the person whose house we worked on, nor their immigration status. We just worked. Those rednecks you denigrate work harder with less ask that you ever have, I guarantee it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:47 PM
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It's not misandry to be able to recognize patterns and reject ones that are not preferable. I am opposed to all illegal immigration no matter the gender, but if forced to choose, I'd choose a female illegal alien over a male one. That's not misandry, it's pattern recognition.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:44 PM
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I don't care what a man says to me. A man could say the worst insult that precisely targets my deepest insecurity and I would bat an eye or feel even the slightest tug of a damaged heartstring. Men generally do not care about the things other men say. It is clear that while you may sometimes pretend to be a man (or at least intentionally withhold that you aren't) you don't actually understand men very well at all. Edited to add: You are also talking about this internet hellhole, not real life. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:39 PM
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Yeah, trolling is always helpful during debates. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:34 PM
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It's a relational need, not a physical one. You know what's actually being said.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:48 AM
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I don't need my wife to do anything for me. I don't need her to do chores, fill up the car with gas, get me flowers, or any other act of service you can name. If she did nothing, I wouldn't care. Likewise, I don't need her to work or to provide for me. She could play video games all day and I wouldn't love her less. Continuing, I don't need her to protect me in any way or circumstance. Someone could pull a gun on me and I actively hope she uses me as a human meat shield. Most women would not fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:43 AM
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You first. Har har drr fox news hurr hurrr is as low effort as it can possibly get.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:55 PM
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Wrong. You can't get arrested here for saying something mean online. You won't get arrested for shooting some fucker in the face if he breaks into your house. You live in a hellhole and need a daddy to protect you, and you've got too much estrogen to realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:35 PM
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Traveled extensively throughout Europe and Canada, and some South America as well. I haven't watched Fox News since I was in college 20 years ago. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:23 PM
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I wish I could explain why it is. The "effeminate" (read: Not Arnie) dude is sort of quite common in Europe. I cannot connect with the idea of Arnie as masculine, but I do believe that you are correct about much of Europe being effeminate, and that explains a lot of the cultural differences as well. Part of a feminine nature is accommodation, and Europe is far more accommodating to many things than the US is. My friends and I marvel (and not in a good way) about the things much of western Europe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:46 PM
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We disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 02:26 AM
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Correct. Defending the innocent says a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 01:56 AM
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Derision says more about you than it does about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 12:43 AM
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Defining some human beings as 'not people' has been popular with many regimes throughout history. I condemn those groups. You seem likely to admire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 12:29 AM
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Yes, but the two situations are not like for like. It's more analogous to marrying a woman at 18, expecting her to be a mother and housekeeper for 30 years, then divorcing her. Taking responsibility would mean giving that woman half of all your assets, not hiring a hit man to kill her. Even if you pay for the hit man yourself, you aren't taking responsibility, you are avoiding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 12:25 AM
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You asked about accidents such as falling off a roof.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 11:59 PM
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I didn't. If you can quote where you interpreted that implication, I can potentially clarify.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 11:17 PM
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Irrelevant to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 07:28 AM
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She did want it. Obviously. I'll admit, it's a rarity that she wants it and I don't, but it's happened a handful of times in our ~20 years. It's never even occurred to me as a problem to serve her in that way even though my mood isn't matching. Victim?! I was no victim! I was literally fulfilling my purpose.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 10:37 PM
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The reason is because I love my wife. My wife is worth my pain. That is an exceptionally good reason. She'd be fine if I never bought her another gift, too, but it's more fun if I do. I wouldn't burden her with that knowledge. Minor pain is not important.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 10:33 PM
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Wild. I need a therapist because I love my wife. Screenshotting this for sure.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 10:18 PM
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I need therapy because I want to bring joy to my wife's life? That's potentially the most radically insane thing ever said on reddit. No, I wasn't horny. I didn't want sex for me and didn't orgasm. Yeah, my wife wouldn't have had a problem either. She'd have been absolutely fine. My dick isn't her primary need from me. However, she wanted it, so I was happy to give it. Do women have zero concept of self sacrifice? No concept of secondhand joy?
/r/MensRights19/12/24 10:11 PM
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I could make that choice, but my heart finds joy in her joy. My pain is nothing, a passing triviality, while her joy is my purpose. That idea is what you fail to understand.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 09:59 PM
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Because my wife's joy matters more to me than I matter to me. You know, because I genuinely love her. Why is that concept so difficult to understand? Yeah, if I couldn't, absolutely, but I absolutely could and so I did. There's a difference between can't and simply being disinclined.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 09:52 PM
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I don't. I only enough it when my partner finds joy in my satisfaction, just as I find joy in hers. It's not dissimilar to the joy I find in giving her a gift. The gift benefits her, not me, but I find joy in the giving. Depends. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. After I'd undergone surgery a few days before, no, I wasn't turned on at all, and my leg hurt like hell. I still enjoyed her satisfaction. Men find joy in the joy of their spouses. Women do not seem to have that same ability.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 09:48 PM
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I know, I'm in one. I'm speaking of women generally who espouse views like you.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 09:45 PM
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When I'm not horny and she is. Fortunately, I've never had pain that simultaneously affected my penis, mouth, and hands at the same time. If I did, I suppose I'd apologize and turn her down, though.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 09:43 PM
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Women do not love men. It's really that simple.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 09:41 PM
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Yes, it is. When that happens to me, I serve my wife with my body anyway and with joy. I find joy in serving my spouse, why don't you?
/r/MensRights19/12/24 09:35 PM
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Nope. Fulfillment of a spouse's basic relational needs is every bit the common decency of anything I listed. That's my entire point.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 09:31 PM
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So you do know physical pain during service. Interesting that you cannot understand my point. Wholeheartedly agree. Sex should (almost) never be unwanted. If you don't want sex that your spouse needs, something is broken, just as if you don't find joy in serving your spouse through work, even painful work, something is broken. I don't think you understand me at all.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 09:29 PM
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You've never worked a difficult job, have you? You clearly have no idea what reality looks like for many. During that stage of life, long over, yes. I agree. You clear didn't read my comment clearly.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 09:12 PM
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Question for you. You named online gambling as an example. Could you name four more? I promise, there's a point to my question, so I'll say it in full to make sure you understand what I'm asking: Besides banning online gambling because of the ill effects it has on men, could you name four additional areas where strides could be made to improve men's mental health with the end goal of reducing the rates of male suicide?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:14 PM
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I absolutely hate it. It makes women look like children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:15 PM
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You were not in the mood. So it was uncomfortable/painful for you, you never got turned on and then ofc you didn’t orgasm. RIGHT? I mean, you were wincing a little and counting the minutes till it was over? I feel uncomfortable/pain regularly while working. I often count the minutes until it's over. I do it with joy nonetheless because it provides for my family. My wife needs my support. I need my wife. Joy should be the foundation of all service. Ideally, sex is always mutually desired, but whe…
/r/MensRights19/12/24 01:12 PM
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Neither is being nice, saying kind things, being gentle, providing financially, or even speaking at all. Nothing is owed. Do you understand that?
/r/MensRights19/12/24 01:08 PM
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You shouldn't be down voted for this post, you're correct. However, you deserve the downvotes for the others, as you do completely fail to address their points. Just answer the simple questions they are asking in response.
/r/MensRights19/12/24 01:06 PM
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Pick any incorrect popular belief you want and reinsert it into my statement. Heck, use the last election popular vote if you want. The point is that just because many/most people believe something does not make that something true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:41 PM
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For centuries, the majority of the population believed that the Earth was the center of the universe. Argumentum ad populum is fallacious.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:31 PM
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I just answered that. I don't have anything to add. If you don't understand or need help, just ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:21 PM
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Because the government believes its rightful role is to play daddy. There should be no minimum wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:12 PM
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Or, alternatively, she can murder it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:32 AM
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No taxpayer funded care, no. Adults should be able to insure themselves, so long as there is an agreeable party on the other side willing to enter into that contract. Private contracts between consenting parties are not the proper concern of the government. This is not relevant to the topic, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:53 PM
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Eh, I said I'm okay with it. The point is that I support people being held responsible for the predictable consequences of their own actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:29 PM
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Quite the opposite for me. I believe that the only rightful job of government is protecting property (of which s person's body is foremost.) I oppose drug regulation, believe sex work should be legal, and oppose all limits on choices adults make to their own bodies. Hardly conservative positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:27 PM
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Reminds me of the ol' conservative fallacy, 'whenever she wants to marry a man, she has the right to!'
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:50 PM
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No, they don't. The freedom women have is to kill a kid. Men don't have that right. Your addition ignores the argument. If that's the only option for survival, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:39 PM
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This is PPConfirmed, not denied. She's in prison but there will never be ANY legal consequences for lying.
/r/PussyPassDenied18/12/24 08:31 PM
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And cant you be exploited even if you do something consentually? No, as an adult, you cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:22 PM
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I'm deeply, firmly, egalitarian, at least as it pertains to how the government interacts with citizens. If women have the right to kill their kids in utero, men should have the same right. Not sure that answers your question precisely, but perhaps gives you insight nonetheless. Personally, I believe that men and women alike should be forced to assume responsibility for all the consequences of their own actions, which includes raising and supporting children. Once children are adults, those adult…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:17 PM
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Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. A child's right to live (and who gets a say over whether it does) should have zero to do with where it resides.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 06:59 PM
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By that standard, why should men have to financially care for children they don't want? After all, women don't have to. Equality matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 06:57 PM
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Not a Gen Z, but as an elder millennial, I'd say very few truly hate men, but at least 50-60% are casually misandrist, and publicly so in a way and to a degree I rarely see with casual misogynists. Misogyny is hidden, misandry is open.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 10:02 PM
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You had me on board at first, as I agree that individual accountability is critical. Then, starting with point 4 of part 3, you jumped the deep end. Then, starting with 'pretending sexlessness is a real issue,' you went full Titan sub mode, and your position had the same result.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 11:07 AM
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Yes, I would. You own your body (and explicitly no one else's.)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 06:05 PM
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There's no such thing as bad sex with a person you love, in my experience. Mediocre sex at worst. And yes, I'd unequivocally rather have mediocre sex every day than great sex once a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:35 AM
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Most likely, he recognized that his top priorities weren't compatible with yours. Women, stereotypically, would like/demand many, many, many needs to be met to a satisfactory level within a relationship. Men, conversely, only need 1-3 needs to be met, but those 1-3 need to be completely met. So my hypothesis would be that one or more of his few needs you weren't meeting, and he didn't expect that to change. Examples of things men care a lot about but women tend to care less about (and therefore …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 08:50 PM
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It's impossible to be a feminist in 2024 without being a misandrist. It's a required part of the membership package. Someone will claim to be one and I'll ask 'when was the last time you spoke up for men in a pro-feminist sub,' and the answer is always silence because they know that if they do, they'll be banned, and the threat of banishment is enough to stop them, ergo, they don't actually care about men so much as membership in the club.
/r/MensRights27/08/24 12:46 AM
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EMPs that destroy the internet would do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:41 AM
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Nope, never had a one night stand and don't believe in them. I was a virgin before my wife and have never been with anyone else, nor wanted to be. She had one previous partner who she waited a long time to sleep with. With me, she told me within about 6 weeks that she wanted me badly, but that we'd wait until I was ready. I always intended to be a one woman man. She made it clear I could have it as soon as I wanted. Her desire was wildly evident. You don't understand men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 09:44 PM
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It's not intended as a compliment, but it will nonetheless be taken as one. I, and almost all men, would rather be complimented by an unknown woman on our appearance/dick than we would about our personality. In fact, I couldn't care less about a personality compliment from someone. I've been married 20+ years and have sex several times a week. My sex life is currently incredible. It hasn't always been, but it absolutely has been incredible for a long time now. My previous summary was correct: yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 09:18 PM
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No, it doesn't. Shame, it was interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:17 PM
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Unwillingness and/or inability to engage with a hypothetical scenario says quite a lot about a person and/or the weakness of their argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:26 AM
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Unwillingness and/or inability to engage with a hypothetical scenario says quite a lot about a person and/or the weakness of their argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:26 AM
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Marriage 1: All of your relational needs are met to your complete satisfaction, with the exception of any/all sexual needs, which are not met whatsoever, and you cannot have those needs met elsewhere. Marriage 2: Your sexual needs are perfectly met to your complete satisfaction, but all of your other relational needs are completely ignored, and you cannot have those needs met elsewhere. You MUST choose one of those marriages to be in for the rest of your life, no divorce. Most women would choose…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 02:20 AM
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And many women only conform to regular sex because it gets them resources, which is the end game. That is not a higher standard from women, just a different standard. Your misandry isn't justified. It's not wrong to get your most important needs met in a way that satisfies your partner. No, most men would not be. That's like saying that a lot of women would be happier if they put sexual availability ahead of a lot of other things. It's technically true, but practically impossible, because it vio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:00 AM
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I view it quite differently. You look down on men who value sex, but I don't. Men and women need different things. For most men, sex, and the desperately important emotional intimacy that comes with it, is the thing we need that we cannot get on our own. Meanwhile, women can have sex anytime they want, but they often need a male spouse to take care of many other day to day needs and when their partners fail in those ways, they are miserable in the relationship. There's nothing at all wrong with …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:09 AM
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There actually are ways we could do so, but I doubt either of us are interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:42 PM
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I'm happy about the corrected quote. I disagree with your opinions here and believe you have a lot to learn about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:41 PM
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Correct. But this comment claims that I said that they don't value commitment at all, which I did not say. Also, I think it’s a disservice to men to claim that men don’t value commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:35 PM
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We agree on the big theme, yes, but clearly not about the details. I believe I understand women far better than you understand men. Probably due to being married to one for 20+ years.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:33 PM
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Not really, they value sexual availability highly, and commitment is required for that for most men. As for cheating, that's loyalty, not commitment. As I've now stated multiple times but you've ignored, men do value commitment, they just have it much, much, lower on their hierarchy than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:13 PM
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Um wow. This is your craziest comment yet. How do I even begin? Why is it that when you describe the ways a man can be desired, you use terms like “catcall, grope, and sexually harass?” I think it’s because you believe that women should be grateful for that kind of attention, Absolutely not. It's because men would be grateful for that kind of attention. Nothing to do with women. and therefore, you consider it a good thing. If you truly understood why that kind of attention is unwanted, then you’…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:11 PM
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I still disagree with one point, which is that you see “unwanted physical desire” as a coveted thing. By definition that means it’s wanted. The paradox is that men aren’t sympathetic to women’s issues with unwanted desire because they are only thinking of their version of wanted desire. You make it sound like unwanted desire is awesome. It’s not. And when you think of it, you think of something that you want, so it’s already in contradiction to what women describe when they say “unwanted.” This …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:00 PM
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Scarcity value among things that actually have value. I figured that was obvious. Of the scarce resources in male female interactions, blatant F -> M lust may well be the rarest of all things. I didn't say men don't want commitment. I said they don't value it very highly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:58 PM
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I mean, the same way this works for men…. only being good for a one night stand and not much else isnt a compliment. Yes, it is. It means I'm damn sexy and you want my body. That's absolutely a compliment. women and men alike can prioritize being marriage material over pump and dump material? They can, but they don't. If someone asked me, 'would you prefer that a woman close to you thinks of you as a sexy beast she wants to immediately bed or as a stable, great guy who she can imagine marrying?'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:00 PM
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Feminists will never, ever, ever, argue in favor of any situation that has the potential to harm women, even if it would promote true equality for men. The goal of modern feminism is not equality, and there is no way that the movement will ever embrace such an ideal. Your argument that men should have the rights to seek justice are absolutely correct, but you won't convince people who elevate women above men. Inevitably, they will validate the feminists arguments, even if they are inherently ant…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:55 PM
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If I've been with my girlfriend for a year, I'm more willing to go without it for a day than if I were single for a year. Interesting. 20 years into marriage, I do not share that willingness. Going without for a week is every bit as brutal as going without for a week was in my first year of marriage. I'm not convinced that your experience is as representative as you may believe it to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:47 PM
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The more sex men get, it becomes a lower priority. If you're young and don't get any, it matters a lot more than it does in a long term relationship where you're generally getting your needs met. Interesting claim, is that personal experience talking or research? I ask because I'm 20 years in to my marriage, 40ish years old, and sex is still the same priority it was on day one. If anything, it's more important, even though my sex life today is far more frequent than it was years ago when I was y…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:57 PM
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Women understand that men need to feel sexually attractive. Do they? I don't think they do, or, if they do, they don't understand it at anything more than a surface level. If they truly understood that, they would act much more directly sexually than they do. They would catcall, grope, and generally sexually 'harass' their partners. (I'm talking about these ideas in the context of a healthy, consenting relationship.) They would also compliment their partners very differently than they typically …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:46 PM
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Yep, and vice versa. If women understood that most men rarely experience direct, immediate, lust, it might help them to understand that if they can't give that to him, he's not going to be very interested in her longterm.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:38 PM
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I find it so interesting the ways the genders project onto each other. I can totally see how a man would want a woman to have raw lustful desire for him, probably because this is a pretty standard male experience when confronted with a hot woman. He wants her to feel the same way about him that he does for her. There’s nothing wrong with that. Whereas I think a lot of women do of course desire men, but it tends to come with many more complicated path to reach such a desire. For example, I will a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:36 PM
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Yeah, and I think a lot of men would actually be hurt to be told they’re only hookup material. A lot of men want relationships, rather than just hookups. Maybe most men? I don’t know. But the issue with that woman was that she essentially said her boyfriend wasnt hookup material and was only husband material. That’s pretty bad haha Absolutely, unequivocally, not. Almost no men would be hurt by that. Almost all men would take that as one of the biggest compliments they will ever receive in their …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:30 PM
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I think if you put yourself into the shoes of a woman who has searched for an LTR, but has encountered a lot of men who only want to have sex with her without the commitment, added in with the typical female objectifying experience like cat calls and sexual assault, something like marriage is a much higher aspiration than hookups. Only if your hierarchy has commitment at the top. Most men's do not. I'd have loved to have women desiring only sex from me. I'd have loved to be objectified and cat c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:26 PM
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But an argument can be made that men should be satisfied enough with male friendship like women are with female friendship. I don't believe a credible argument for that can be made. There is no reason of any kind that such a thing 'should be.' You can want it to be that way, but it's biologically irrational (and very arguably sociologically as well.) Unfortunately, I don’t think that the demands of the male sex drive allow for this. Furthermore, while it’s very easy for women to find a FWB to oc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:18 PM
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You couldn't be more right. Attention from women that isn't sex isn't worth anything at all. It's like saying 'food is food' but the first food is a steak and the second food is peanut shells. Technically, you can eat it, but no one would ever want to. So, no, sex is attention. I do agree that men as a whole are not getting enough 'attention,' and that the world would be much better if they were. Unfortunately, there's no way to make that happen ethically, so it's a pointless conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 05:42 PM
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I understand that sometimes men put sex first at the cost of emotional bonding... Sex IS emotional bonding for many/most men within the context of romantic relationships. When that is understood, your statement makes no sense whatsoever. Besides, just because men put attraction and sex first that does not mean they don't value emotional connection It actually means that they DO value emotional connection. The problem in these conversations is that women and men don't approach ideas from the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 05:32 PM
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I'm with you for the first part, but not the second. Rope is cheap.
/r/PussyPassDenied08/08/24 09:24 PM
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It's only socially acceptable to the people who do the rejecting. Those being rejected would be much better off if given the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 07:43 PM
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It's only socially acceptable to the people who do the rejecting. Those being rejected would be much better off if given the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 07:43 PM
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Any standard that requires the law to be a moral arbiter has failed. Rights do not come from laws, nor can they. If they do, than ANYTHING can be a right, including things like slave labor, so long as the ruling body says so. That's obviously not true. His argument is inherently correct and not pedantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 07:39 PM
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Our entitlements to things like food, education, shelter etc varies from country to country, and people have different opinions on entitlements for this. The things I think people should be entitled to (Food, water, Shelter for the most part, medical treatment) I believe there are reasonable ways to provide this and enforce this without trampling on the rights of others. All of those absolutely require trampling on the rights of others in order to provide to anyone. It requires theft, full stop.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 07:36 PM
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not for the sole reason of them being men tho Irrelevant, what you stated was factually inaccurate. I'd rather be in the safer group regardless of motivations. but their abuse doesn't leave permanant marks. anyone can be abusive and women sure can. Also irrelevant. As you yourself stated, permanent marks aren't necessary to cause harm. Remember saying that? I'll quote it for you: I’ve seen my sister date an abusive man. It was not cool or fun and I was scared for her. Luckily she was never harme…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:40 PM
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Yes, I do. If that's incorrect, I apologize, but I start with the most likely scenario. I'd go through your post history to verify, but that's not a useful use of my time. If you're telling the truth, I applaud you. If you're lying, it wouldn't surprise me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:15 PM
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You misunderstand. I mean call out specific feminists at the time they say the horrible thing, not just general objections shouted to the wind. Go to a feminist sub and object directly to a feminist. See what happens. Go to a rally and object. See what happens. You will do neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:12 PM
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No, you just don't like it became it's accurate and destroys your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:10 PM
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Women are at more inherent risk by default vs men, and at the hands of men. This is unarguable. Men have far more susceptibility to be violent due to physical structure alone - I’m not even saying this is bad. This does though, pose a massive risk to the wellbeing of women. Absolutely untrue. Men are the victims of violence and death far more than women are. That is a fact. I’ve seen my sister date an abusive man. It was not cool or fun and I was scared for her. Luckily she was never harmed phys…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:08 PM
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You are the minority, but pretend to be the majority. That's his point and the main problem. Feminists never call out feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:06 PM
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I appreciate your additional evidence supporting my claim. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 04:55 PM
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Half of lesbian couples end in orders of protection (OOP). Could you cite that? I'd be very interested to read that study.
/r/MensRights08/07/24 02:38 AM
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Here's from that EXACT SAME POST you didn't read: This isn't me, I just found it online. submitted 2 years ago by KissMyAsthma-99 to r/MensRights My goodness, your empathy and concern for the white man’s plight is touching! You must be overwhelmed with thank you notes. Yeah, striving for equality looks weird to people radically opposed to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 01:09 AM
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I didn't, lol. I was pointing out that racism against white people is the most common form of racism experienced on reddit. Man, you people truly cannot read. Dig through every post, you won't find what isn't there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 01:05 AM
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Oh, yeah, gotta love a two year old post dive to reach for content to support an argument. Well done.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:55 AM
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I don't have a political party lol. R's suck, D's suck more, Libertarians aren't libertarian enough. Again, appreciate all the support. Have a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:42 AM
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Racism is gross, I'll stand by that. Sucks when it happens to me, I won't do it to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:36 AM
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1) I'm a one woman for life man with two kids. Never been with a woman beside my wife. I would never walk away from my children. 2) I'm black. Your racism is gross. 3) I don't believe in taxpayer support for anyone. Cancel all assistance programs. 4) Thank you for continuing to provide more and more and more evidence towards my position. Feminists hate equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:29 AM
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The woman alone should, with zero public support. If the woman can abort and avoid all responsibilities, the man should have that option as well. That would be equality. Feminists oppose it. It's a very simple equation, 'partner.'
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:22 AM
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The woman alone. If the woman can abort and avoid all responsibilities, the man should have that option as well. That would be equality. Feminists oppose it. It's a very simple equation, 'partner.'
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:21 AM
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Appreciate you evidencing my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:08 AM
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Yes, they do. Just ask them about financial abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 11:55 PM
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Breaking ANY marital vow is a form of cheating, really. We should be viewing all of them as unacceptable. However, we do not. We view sexual cheating as the only one that actually matters. Have an emotional affair? Oh well, he probably wasn't meeting her needs. Act disrespectful towards him? Oh well, he probably said something she didn't like. Why don't people suggest divorce instead of acting disrespectfully? After all, 'to love and to cherish' or 'to love and honor' is in most vows. You don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 09:09 PM
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Okay, but does anyone actually know if sex with another person*** is a need that cannot be fulfilled with other things that offer companionship? I know it cannot for me. But if someone has loving friends and family and rubs one out once in a while, are their needs fulfilled? Mine wouldn't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 08:52 PM
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In reality a healthy and balanced life needs social connection, affection, close relationships, but basically all of those things are attainable outside of sex. According to whom? In the early/middle years of my marriage, I had all those things but barely any sex. I was miserable. assume that if they just have sex then magically everything else will fall into place, and that’s just not how it works. Years later, my wife and I figured it out, and now our sex life is amazing, but my social life is…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 08:49 PM
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Partners do not 'need' communication, acts of service, gifts, or mutual time together, either. However, denial of those things is a recipe for relational distress at minimum and extreme psychological distress as well. As such, sex should be viewed as a need equivalent to those. How long would you feel good within a relationship if your partner actively avoided talking to you or was intentionally avoiding spending time together? So, your premise is correct in that sex is not equivalent to physiol…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 08:45 PM
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Get more angry, that'll help. I stand by what I said 100%. Sign the women up.
/r/MensRights20/06/24 11:02 PM
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You should read more carefully before responding, you won't look as foolish.
/r/MensRights20/06/24 10:57 PM
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Is it though? Because when I did it in 1997, I hadn't murdered anyone. Now, in 2024, I still haven't murdered someone. You're attempting to tie selective service sign up to being drafted. There is no draft. I'm not advocating for a draft. I would oppose a draft. I'm only talking about signing a piece of paper. Get real.
/r/MensRights20/06/24 10:54 PM
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Wow, that's definitely what I said. Crazy.
/r/MensRights20/06/24 09:25 PM
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Yes, that's exactly what I said and a perfect moral equivalent. Signing a piece of paper is identical. Excellent reading.
/r/MensRights20/06/24 09:23 PM
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Advocating for more theft isn't the moral high ground you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 09:22 PM
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My down vote is because you are advocating exactly how feminists do. They don't want equality if it costs anything; they will ONLY advocate for men if there is no cost to themselves. Selective service sign up is exactly the scenario where people can show who they really are. Everyone should be required to sign up. If that's not possible, then ONLY women should be required for the next 100 or so years, after which it can be eliminated for all.
/r/MensRights20/06/24 09:12 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 11:27 PM
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Wrong. Over 200 studies have shown it. Do better research. https://connect.springerpub.com/content/sgrpa/1/3/332
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 05:08 PM
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If I had to start over, I'd ABSOLUTELY trade. Women have it wildly easier in every way. As for low LTR odds, that's not reality. Date in a small town, stay skinny, stay loyal, and you'll never struggle to find a great partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 02:48 PM
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Inaccurate. At least half of all domestic abuse is against men, by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 02:43 PM
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As a black guy, anyone left of center is out. The soft bigotry of low expectations is a huge turn off, and I never met anyone on the left that wasn't chock full of that kind of thinking. Conservatives have their own issues, but they treat me as an equal at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 10:46 AM
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Your premise is false. Redpill doesn't hate women anymore than bluepill hates men. Information should be judged on its on merits.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:17 PM
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This is exactly correct. When you actually think about it, it's biologically rational. It's why men remember every compliment about their body they've ever received from a non-related woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:08 PM
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I do not understand that response. Please rephrase if you would like to dialogue.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:27 PM
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Incorrect. I occasionally do watch bull riding and I view oil rig workers with some level of awe.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:23 PM
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I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:22 PM
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Because cheating is never justified. Full stop. It’s cowardly, deeply disrespectful and just plain immoral. Neither is starving your partner of sex. Identically true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:58 PM
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I don't want my wife to go bull riding or be a deep rig oil worker. Doesn't mean I'm against either one...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:57 PM
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I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:49 PM
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The first to act is the primary person to blame. Think of it like an assault. The person who punches first doesn't have much right to complain about getting punched in return. Refusing sex isn't fair to him, so 'cheating' isn't somehow magically reasonable to complain about. Don't want to get hit by Shaq? Step one: don't punch Shaq.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:47 PM
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I can't say I've seen it said very often in person, so I can only speak to my own experiences. When I say it, I mean it, and I mean it literally. As in, 'the person is being illogical with their arguments.' Using strawman, no true Scot, arguments from authority, and other illogical arguments. I think most women (and people in general, but you made it gendered) don't actually understand what logical thinking looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:10 AM
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It's also something that you choose, rather than what you are. Glasses, clothes, hair are all choices we make for ourselves. Having our choices validated by someone is much more meaningful than having our existence validated by them, since it's not a stranger's place to have such grandiose opinions about us. As a man, exactly the opposite is true. I could not possibly care less if someone compliments my choices. After all, anyone could make those same choices. However, I care quite a bit about c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:36 PM
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You hit the nail on the head. Yes, sex is important, but the most critical aspect of sex is the other person's desire to have sex with me. That's by far the most importantly part. Without that, it's just a kind of quasi-masturbation. After hundreds of conversations, I've become convinced that almost no women understand that. I posit that it's because nearly all women who try at all (don't choose morbid obesity with their eating habits, dress even vaguely like they care, and don't smell) have bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:41 PM
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Once you've had sex, you'll almost certainly change your hierarchy. Sex will become 'desire most.'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:36 PM
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Who defines which beliefs are poorly defined concepts? I'm NOT trying to be a jerk, I just genuinely don't understand how we operate within your suggestion without starting from the assumption that people are idiots.
/r/MensRights25/12/23 01:27 PM
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I'm still waiting for an alternative proposition. Do we treat everyone as though they have no ideas what their proclaimed belief systems espouse?
/r/MensRights25/12/23 01:12 PM
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Not sure where you found that figure, but you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 04:26 AM
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Yeah, the marital status shifts the %. Most men making $110k+ are married.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 01:02 AM
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It actually is. 110k and not married is top 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 11:56 PM
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Because a scale is a scale is a scale. I never said anything about who should be dating who, only that a 5 is a 5.
/r/MensRights24/12/23 10:25 PM
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A male 5 and a female 5 are not equivalent. Wrong. Objectivity is important. The average woman is more aesthetically attractive to the opposite sex than the average man. A male 8 would be sexually attracted to a female 6, it doesn’t work the other way. True. The fact that women are irrational isn't relevant to the 10 scale, however.
/r/MensRights24/12/23 09:44 PM
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I think for many, men especially, it's purely validation. It's validation that you are valuable, worthy, and desired for your physical self, which is truly the only 'truth' about a person. All other outward facing characteristics can be faked. Lots of chameleons out there pretending to believe things they don't and acting in ways that are just that, an act. Your physical body is the only thing that is truly, completely, uniquely, you. Being validated for you is something many people need.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 07:33 PM
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I used to know a guy who was a member of the KKK that was also pretty good friends with quite a few black guys. (Pretty sure they didn't know about his affiliation.) Meth ended up taking his life, but he genuinely seemed like a decent guy. Your suggestions sounds to me like saying that we shouldn't assume KKK members hate black people just because a small minority are not in alignment with the rest. I don't start from the assumption that people are idiots who don't know what they believe. I don'…
/r/MensRights24/12/23 07:15 PM
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Correct, but non married and making $110k+ is already top 1%, and those ARE independent variables. You are delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 06:44 PM
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I mean, I was unattractive, but even I wasn't going to date lazy chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 05:59 PM
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Yeah, no. Being sexually attracted to your partner is a basic thing effectively all men agree on. It's women who cry about this topic when men don't want to date lazy 2s and 3s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 05:58 PM
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Then they look at themselves with imperfect teeth and a belly, balding and being short and also declare themselves a 6/10 and get mad that she’s not into him. Define a different show, than. Most guys on it rate themselves 4s or 5s. Any girl who most guys find attractive is at usually at least a 7, even the nerdy ones you’d like to sleep with because there’s something about them. Wildly inaccurate. 4s are outright ugly and unattractive with distinctive ugly features. Maybe you don't understand ho…
/r/MensRights24/12/23 05:55 PM
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It absolutely, unequivocally, is. I just ran the math, all those things are top .58% of single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 05:53 PM
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Ah. So, at its core, our disagreement comes from the idea that you believe Nazism has a defined meaning but feminism does not. I do not agree with that, so I suppose we can go no further.
/r/MensRights24/12/23 05:51 PM
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Salary at 110k after bonus which isn’t crazy for NY just a somewhat respectable salary. Height at 5’10 looks 7.5/10. See I’m just above avg and have done well - my conclusion is just you don’t need to be top 10% The idea that the above isn't top 10% is WILD. That description is close to top 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:58 PM
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The last thing they ever want to do is date a chubby girl with a good personality. Most men don't want to date people they aren't sexually attracted to. That's a weird thing to object to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:56 PM
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If it’s the one I’m thinking about most of them are 10s. The guy drags on a bunch of models No models, unless you think selfies make you a model. mysoginist towards them right? Nope. Let’s be honest they’re above average looking women, that’s the point of the show Some are 6s or 7s, a rare 8. Many 4s. I’ve never heard a woman in the real world call herself a 10. You haven't asked women in a group. You need to get out into the real world more my boy.
/r/MensRights24/12/23 03:34 PM
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I'm not attempting to be dismissive of your attempts at a good faith dialogue, but your response ignores my fundamental question. You're saying that we should believe that people who call themselves Nazis are Nazis, and people who call themselves flat-earthers are flat-earthers, but people who call themselves feminists are not actually feminists. We should treat them as though they are idiots and don't even know what they believe. How is treating them like idiots going to be beneficial?
/r/MensRights24/12/23 03:07 PM
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I concur. I'll refrain from further comments unless more gross-ness occurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 04:12 AM
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I made it. Adults are adults and we should not treat them like children. That's my entire argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 04:00 AM
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Why would we ever consider treating an adult like an adult?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:43 AM
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How is treating adults like children a big part of our current mess? Do you really need that answered?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:26 AM
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girls You spelled 'women' wrong. Don't infantilize adults. Big part of why we're in the mess we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 02:52 AM
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How do you suggest we operate in such a scenario? A person approaches you and says, 'I'm a flat Earther.' Do you then assume that they believe the earth is flat? Or do you just assume they actually do believe Earth is round-ish and they don't truly know what a flat earther is? Do you take them at their word or do you treat them like they are an idiot? Personally, I'd like to be taken at my word rather than be treated as an idiot.
/r/MensRights24/12/23 01:53 AM
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Your reasoning, taken to it's logical conclusion, is not wise. 'Nazi' is not a controlled term. As such, some people who call themselves Nazis may just be strict nationalists. No. Feminists are not egalitarians, and Nazis aren't just nationalists.
/r/MensRights24/12/23 01:14 AM
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Indeed. I vomited in my mouth a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 12:41 AM
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Candace Owens
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 12:32 AM
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Terrible. Worse than W, Obama, and a virtual tie with Biden.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 12:30 AM
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'Age-appropriate' is 18+. Trying to gatekeep men's dating preferences is gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 12:29 AM
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We need affirmative conscription to make up for the past sexism.
/r/MensRights24/12/23 12:08 AM
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Personally, I'm for human rights. Gender is pretty much irrelevant. So long as you're pro equality, you belong. Even people opposed to equality, such as feminists, are welcome as long as they remain rational-ish.
/r/MensRights24/12/23 12:00 AM
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Every feminist is. 100%. Speak with any women who calls herself a feminist about the issues I listed. She WILL object to 1 or more. Women who believe in equality don't call themselves feminists.
/r/MensRights23/12/23 10:07 PM
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So is there really ANY chance we can 'come together?' The answer is no. All that can happen is division.
/r/MensRights23/12/23 10:04 PM
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Try. Go to feminist groups and push equality. Support laws that guarantee sex-blind sentencing. Supports laws that guarantee sex-blind parental rights. Support laws that require women to sign up for selective service. Support laws that abolish scholarships based on sex. Support laws that establish equal penalties for women who make provably false r-pe accusations. Support initiatives that benefit males who suffer from domestic violence. See what happens!
/r/MensRights23/12/23 09:40 PM
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I'd be hesitant, fearing a prank or trap of some kind. But if I was convinced it was genuine, I'd be flattered and turned on by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:59 PM
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I'd choose the first option without hesitation even if it were not for the fact that having the first pretty much guarantees the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 06:14 PM
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Too bad your wife won’t open her mouth wide enough to give you a bj. Yeah, that is actually a problem. Sort of, anyway. Sucks to be in a sexless transaction marriage where your wife doesn’t want you Still no.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:53 PM
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Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:46 PM
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Not what was said. Read better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:09 PM
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Anyone can be mentally destroyed when a person they love sets out to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:30 PM
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Twist? Lmaoo Yep, because you added 'she can't be happy without you providing it.' That's a twist, absolutely. She'd be destroyed if I actively hurt her, which is shocking to you for some reason, but not at all what I said. Ensuring that your wife knows “depriving you of sex no matter her physical condition or personal preferences would destroy you, as it would her” therefore it’s an expectation, guilting and coercion to ensure she keeps up her side Twist. Yawn. Sounds like you both need somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:20 PM
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Twist. Yawn
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:25 PM
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Learn to read first. Actually relay it back to you saying that if you don’t do the things that make your wife happy then she would be upset so I guess you’re projecting your transactional wife onto me. Still no. Sorry wasn’t it you who said it wasn’t a need for her but a want - and way less than you? Sucks to try to convince your wife to lay with you. Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:39 PM
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Ah all my examples in what I’d do for him was also then dependent huh? Learn to read. You'd need to start first. Oh I do what you do? What a shocker. No. No you’re in a marriage where you need to bargain sex. Even more pathetic Still no. Learn to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:26 PM
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Lmao because god forbid my partner makes me feel safe / sexy with no pressure for having sex or being sexual 10 days post delivery. I never said that if he doesn’t it wouldn’t happen. The statements you've made make it clear how you feel. Every time you talk about it, you use 'if' and 'then.' Not once have you volunteered that you act outside his actions. Your dishonesty is getting idiotic and I feel horrible that you’re a father in a sexless one sided relationship with your wife, but again, don…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:20 PM
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I never once said “the conditions of this relationship is that if and ONLY if he is nice to me is when I will be nice, I MUST be the receiver” Alrighty. (Emphasis added to make it clear.) If he’s making me feel safe, sexy, beautiful, wanted, helping and I have no serious complications... then it’ll happen before then but him pressuring for a timeline makes it feel completely transactional and selfish and would be a complete utter turn off. If I feel like acting on the premise and I’m not being m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:00 PM
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Which is what I have said. No. You've said 'if.' If he's nice, I'm nice. I'm saying there is no 'if.' I did. You just don’t like the answer Nope. Why are you bringing up physical altercations as a way to prove your point? Very strange, my husband wouldn’t TOUCH you to begin with lmfao so weird flex but ok. You are bad at metaphors. I was exampling how things are different between strangers than between loved ones. You are bad at metaphors.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 02:18 PM
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I’m sorry are you advocating for abuse? Why wouldn’t anyone want their partner to treat them nicely is that a basic fundamental foundation of a relationship - treating each other with respect and integrity? Lol Perhaps you finally see the light! I want both partners to treat each other nicely because they love each other. Pretty simple. You don’t seem to think those answers qualify do use you adult mouth and be frank with whatever the hell it is your saying and stop playing games. I can see you …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:56 PM
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Keep holding onto that straw man for dear life. My partner gets daily sex and surprise acts. Right, because he treats you nicely. You've established that many times. Bc death, career, person development or accident - has no weight to you and unfortunately men don’t deliver children so there isn’t a 50/50 comparison Men go through pain, too. My question remains. figuring you called my partner selfish is very clear that you have no issue calling someone aka your wife the same thing for prioritizin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:39 PM
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Oh yes I’m emotional now bc I’m proving you wrong, atta boy who is unable to control himself. The opposite, you do nothing but evidence my point ad nasueam. No. I never said ONLY nor did I say I wouldn’t do it. Yawn You did. You said you'd be happy to do it IF. I'm saying I'm happy to serve regardless. Stop projecting your abusive tactics on me bc you see your wife as a flesh light Abusive. Twist. Yawn. No, you will not serve your wife’s needs selflessly without her giving anything back to you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:06 PM
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Like I stated - IF MY PARTNER is doing all that and more it would make me even more INCLINED to return the favour bc I know he’s not only trying to use me as a flesh light or a warm body to rid of his stress. He’s treating me like a human being not a sex maid in a time clock after I’ve just given birth. I’ve already explained this, don’t cherry pick my answers. If you cannot comprehend - ask. Exactly. IF you give Pizza Hut $15, they will give you a pizza. IF your husband treats you nicely, you'l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 12:41 PM
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When did I say I’d ONLY do it for that? I guess you actually don’t understand a mutually beneficial relationship and view two ppl enjoying each other or assisting one another You don't understand what the word if means, I take it. You were the transactional person, I was the opposite. Don't twist again. You really have a hard time with actually putting yourself in someone’s shoes lmao. And good on you for not answering again would you prefer your wife give you duty sex where it’s clear she’s not…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 03:20 AM
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Tell me where I contradicted myself. You mean like where you said you weren't transactional but then turned around and literally described how you'd do something for your husband as long as he made you feel sexy, etc, first, ie, a transaction? You’re a jerk for thinking that should come before she heals. You have no sense of priorities and your wife clearly isn’t one of them I'm a jerk for thinking that my mental health matters. (But, apparently, she's not a jerk for having needs of me that caus…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:08 AM
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And I said what I mean and I mean what I say. Not my fault you cant comprehend. You've said about 4 different things, who can keep track? Each time you make one claim, you contradict it within the next paragraph or two. In one breath you'll say that partners should sacrifice for each other, in the next you'll say that any man who thinks that is a selfish, uncaring, jerk. It's laughable. No you’re a jerk for wanting your wife to, despite how it makes her feel. You say in one breath it’s about com…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 12:55 AM
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Something can be a privilege even if you choose not to take advantage of it. If a rich kid turns down all their parents' money and works for their own, they still have the privilege of being able to fall back on mom and dad. Sex for women is the same way. Even if they don't use it, it's a privileged to have the option. If that doesn't change your mind, nothing will.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 12:40 AM
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“When every argument” we are talking about women recently post delivery. It’s one conversation. Keep up the victim mindset - so because you’re a man I must agree with you and if I don’t I have a preconceived negative attitude towards men? Yah. You sound like a feminist which I take no part in identifying as. So look, you turn into what you seem to hate the most. Nope. Not what I said at all. It's not about agreeing with me, it's about saying what you mean and meaning what you say. Instead, you s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 12:30 AM
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No you’re not bored you’re incapable of having a coherent conversation and debate lol. Alright, lol. So you do believe cuddling and getting a blow job is essentially the same thing since you’re trying to use it as your defence lol for quality time when someone is in pain Not really, watching a movie takes much longer and is much less interesting. Okay, so that second part is subjective, but the first part isn't. I'd much rather give my wife unreciprocated oral than watch a movie if the oral woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:26 PM
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You clearly don’t since you tried to use it as a way to explain your stance. Check upon your reading first before you try and accuse me of something I checked, I'm good at it. “More twisting” Yeap okay because you don’t have an actual reply to it. If so, explain yourself and your reasoning. I've replied literally a dozen times. You just twist my answers and then attack your twists. I'm bored of it. Yawn. What the fuck is this conversation about and what is your stance at the end of ALL of this ?…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 09:53 PM
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“A broken arm or something” is somehow the same thing as a woman going through delivery plus everything else that bringing a baby home instigates? No. Do you understand how a metaphor works? You have shown time and time again that you do not care of the physical nor mental well being of your wife unless she is able to give you a hand job or blow job. Ah yes, more twisting. Yawn. So again - no matter how your wife is feeling, mentally or physically post delivery you’d force her to maintain that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 09:32 PM
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There is a connection. My partner choosing not to talk to me during a condition he’s recovering from than just choosing to not speak to me is completely different. So try again. No, there's not, because he's choosing not to talk to you after a broken arm or something, not a laryngectomy. In the metaphor, he can talk without any pain directly related to doing so, he just doesn't want to. Carry that disad through. Why should I care about your feelings in this hypothetical conversation when you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 08:48 PM
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And if they lost their voice bc of a condition I am to coerce them into speaking to me even though it will hurt them in the process? Lmao. You’re acting as if it’s a willingness to be completely inconsiderate of your feelings because she simply wants to. No connection to this situation, as a handjob amd some kind words aren't painful post pregnancy. Maybe after wrist surgery, you'd have a point. You’re acting as if it’s a willingness to be completely inconsiderate of your feelings because she si…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:45 PM
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Significant mental distress? Grow up. And during this time are you letting you wife know this and you sticking to the timeline ? If your spouse refused to speak a word to you for 40 days, you wouldn't be distressed? Grow up indeed. Twisting the words, no. I’m using them exactly how you’re explaining it, not my fault you can’t handle the truth. The hell you are. You're acting like a child who can't get daddy to give them their way. You said enough with your answer. Even if she physically unwell y…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:14 PM
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10 days for you and 90 days for her - what’s your compromise? 40ish, though I would face significant mental distress at that number. If she unable to perform her “promise” to you bc she has been throwing up and doesn’t feel well and is weak, what is your expectation? That physically unable is never a reason for discontent. I pledged sickness and health, not only health. No. I’m not desperate to “win an argument” I could care less about you and your wife. You have taken the sick route to disguise…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:57 PM
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No not whatever I “feel like doing” without it being reasonable for the both of us. Asking him to wait 6 months is ridiculous, asking for 2 months is stretching it. I would find a middle ground and ensure he is not feeling undesirable and unwanted. But YOU get to define what is reasonable. That's not compromise. So you putting an EXACT timeframe on it despite what your wife has endured is incredibly disgusting and selfish as you cannot “hold that promise” your poor wife probably feels coerced by…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:16 PM
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If I feel like acting on the premise and I’m not being manipulated or coerced into I said it would happen before then. Things are extremely situational - so refer to my example and answer it. Thank you for being honest. I appreciate you continuing to do so and provide evidence for my original statement. You'll do whatever you feel like doing, regardless of whether compromise is agreed. It’s about treating eachother with humanity and dignity. As I would never want him to self sacrifice his health…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:43 PM
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Despite what they say, you can absolutely be overweight and be healthy. No, you can't. It seems like most men (on PPD at least) would rather date a sedentary smoker who’s thin than a woman who works out, eats right, & doesn’t smoke but who is overweight. Odds are the fat person will have more health consequences than the smoker, and the smoker will look better. Net advantage goes to the smoker. And before you come at me and say “if you work out & eat right you can’t possibly be fat” allow me to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:49 PM
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You’re asking me a question that would never happen. My husband wouldn’t think 10 days was appropriate and ask me for chore handjobs / blow jobs, ever. To play your game a compromise would be two weeks. So, to be crystal clear, if you were in that situation, you'd find 2 weeks to be a reasonable compromise and would act on that premise? If he’s making me feel safe, sexy, beautiful, wanted, helping and I have no serious complications then it’ll happen before then but him pressuring for a timeline…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:40 PM
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Lmao why are you asking me a compromise between the both of you within your own personal timeframe? Go ahead and find the middle between 10 and 21 days idc. No. I'm asking you to tell me what YOU would do in that situation, if you thought 21 days was reasonable and your husband thought 10. When would you compromise with him? I apologize for leaving out the subtext. I am speaking generally as 6 weeks minimum is the rule of thumb as directed by professionals and what respectful people should do. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:27 AM
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Where did I REFUSE to answer when I gave you 6 weeks. Over and over and over. I asked a question, you instead rephrased the question and answered your rephrased version. That's refusal to answer. Even your 6 week answer wasn't an answer because my question had nothing to do with penetration, and also because it was a number far greater than my wife suggested. It had nothing to do with compromise at all. Oh, so you don’t believe women have needs that matter at all either then? You don’t believe w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 10:11 PM
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Thank you for your refusal to answer, it helps evidence my point. I appreciate your participation. I'm selfish because I have the audacity to believe my needs matter at all. lol. I wasted so many years of my life believing I was completely worthless because of people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 10:03 PM
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That's not the question. I suggest 10 days, she suggests 21. What's the compromise?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 09:52 PM
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That's for penetrative sex, are you daft? (Edit to add: that's also highly variable. Many women can return to sex inside a month. Others can take 2 months or even more. 6 weeks is a rule of thumb.) I note the refusal to answer. Thanks for supporting my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 09:41 PM
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I said when they both can do things for each other which is when she gets cleared and her cervix is back to normal. As a doctor you should know that timeline. That's not a compromise. I think 10 days for non penetrative sexual contact, she said 21. What's the compromise? I'm looking for an answer with days in it. Show some integrity and answer. So again, you would force her? Of course not, nor could I. But a woman unwilling to discuss what's best for our child before making a major decision abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 09:27 PM
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Can you elaborate and tell me what things you do can compare to a woman giving birth, her hormones primarily and directly being affected by the birth of her child, her body being damaged in the process then less than a day of that going back to a semi normal life to where now a human is her biological and primary focus whilst dealing stitches, inability to poo, pain of walking, bleeding and breastfeeding? What as a man can you compare a situation like that to? At one point in my life, I had 3 su…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 09:18 PM
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A fail on nearly every level. First, no one is owed anything that requires someone else. I am not owed the labor of another person, unless that person agrees to such a thing. Second, sex is romantic love for many. I could go my whole life with so-called romance, but I'd be unable to mentally cope without sexual companionship. Call me weak, but it's true. Just as total isolation breaks people mentally, lack of sexual companionship would break me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 09:10 PM
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Your assertion of “her hands are working” is not a compromise it’s a demand. A comprise takes into account both parties and coming to a solution that will benefit them both. How is your wife benefiting from giving you a blow job or hand job while she is suffering? I do housework while suffering all the time. I do it because Acts of Service is her primary love language. Suffering doesn't matter. But, prove me wrong. My main relational need is sexual companionship. Without it, I am in great distre…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 08:53 PM
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Yeah, compromise on your end to give sympathy for your wife that her body is healing because she just birthed a fucking kid. Which connects to my original assertion, which is that women don't compromise. Thanks for bringing it full circle. Where did I assume every woman can? Your comments. Do you have joint control whether her body can or cannot produce milk? Do you have joint control of her blocked milk ducts? Do you have joint control of her bleeding nipples? Do you have joint control of the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 08:35 PM
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Ok and ? What is your point? You were talking in that instance what she can do for you sexually not vice versa. My point is that spouses should be not just willing but eager to do things that their spouse needs, even if it means compromising their preferences, so long as they aren't actively endangering themselves. (And, even then, I'm personally more than willing to risk physical discomfort for my wife. I don't view my body as valuable.) I’m sorry do you have the capacity to produce milk? We ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 08:19 PM
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Sexual activities can then also include fingers and oral. So be specific in that you mean what SHE can do FOR YOU. Spouses do things for each other all the time. It’s a part of parenting specifically to the woman, as a father you cannot breastfed. Therefore whatever schedule or alternatives that people come to, would be with the woman being in control of that decision making. Whether SHE decides to pump, whether HER body can produce breast milk. But I can bottle feed, and no, she's not in contro…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 08:06 PM
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No. I said sexual activities to specifically differentiate from sexual intercourse. It's you who are backpeddaling; I was specific. Breastfeeding IS A PART OF PARENTING. All choices about a child are a part of parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:41 PM
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“No medical clearance is needed post delivery for sexual activities” Can’t seem to own up to own words. What do you think post check ups are for LOL? Not checking a woman's hands or mouth, that I can promise you. I didn’t say anything about parenting. Please go reread the conversation and stop trying to be a victim with false accusations. The heck you didn't. Drop your misandry and develop some empathy. Goodluck to you. I would hope that your wife atleast is getting some is massages, breast rubs…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:47 PM
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No. You were Still no. That is upon the women’s discretion to make. Whether it’s because she is not producing enough milk, inverted nipples, baby not latching etc. And even if she is pumping it’s like I said - you will only help how she ADVISES you to based on her circumstances. Misandry is f-ing gross. Good parents share decision making. Your comments are repulsive. Lmao as a “medical doctor” yet you also don’t think a woman has to have post delivery check ups to ensure her cervix is healed and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:37 PM
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We are talking about after child birth. You may be, but I'm not, at least not primarily. I'm talking about what marriage is and what it should be. The specific situations are secondary to the ideals. Yes and No. Her body supplies the only food that child can have for a duration of time. Yours does NOT. You can only be of service how SHE wants you to be Formula doesn't exist in your world? It’s not an exaggeration. Do you understand the amount of tearing or laceration cuts or stitching that happe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:10 PM
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I'm mentally and physically exhausted on the regular. That's no excuse for ignoring my wife's basic relational needs. she’s the primary caretaker of a helpless human She's 1 of 2 primary caretakers. and her body is completely destroyed? Exaggeration isn't helpful. And that is not just “being injured” and “overcoming it” as if it’s a choice. Yes, it very much is. Normal delivery isn't nearly as traumatic as many other injuries. Her body is designed to do it and to heal from it. It takes time, cer…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:49 PM
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I'll continue to believe that my body belongs to my wife. Her needs matter more than my body does, and I'll fulfill those needs at all costs. I'll give up pain, discomfort, or life itself to meet her needs. Pretty much impossible to be more compassionate than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:38 PM
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That is not what I was claiming. Read better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:26 PM
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Sex and communication are equally important to you. No. Sex is more important than communication to me. I'm saying they are equally important in the sense that it's reasonable to equate the two. I think the most important step to avoiding any of that happening is to discuss your specific expectations before serious commitment. After that point you can be outraged when those expectations aren't met. On this, we find perfect agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:44 AM
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That's fine. My point, at its core, is that sex and communication are equally important, whether they are labeled needs or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:22 AM
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Do you leave her or cheat? You can't argue that something is an essential need if you can live without it. Essential needs are not about happiness. They're life sustaining and necessary for survival. In which case, communication is not an essential need because you can live without it. You're arguing in a circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:05 AM
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How would you feel knowing that your wife felt horrible doing such a thing because it only left her feeling useless and helpless when release is impossible for her. Don't you think that would make doing something like that extremely mentally taxing over extended time Imagine? Imagine if your wife did the same to you. I need you to talk me through it, but I don't care if it only leaves you frustrated. If I knew she felt horrible doing it, I wouldn't be able to do it, and so I'd end up in the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:01 AM
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You said: There's desires, but no there isn't any real interpersonal need that can't be met without sex. which I took to mean that. I completely disagree with the idea that sex is not a need every bit as powerful as communication for the vast majority of people, especially men. Intercourse is physically impossible for whatever reason and she's a quad without hand function. No oral due to the ventilator. What do you? Do you consider dirty talk while you self stimulate? Yes, that was what I said. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 02:54 AM
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I wish women understood how much most men want to be treated the way women are. Compliments from strangers aren't sexual harassment to us, those are potential core memories.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 02:47 AM
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If you aren't taking advantage of being a 9/10, you're doing it wrong. You have doors open to you that are closed to 7s. Aside that, as a man, it's hard to read your post without jealousy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 02:45 AM
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Communication exists outside of the physical. Which is relevant why? What do you mean by that? You work how? I do the physical part in that scenario. She'd still have to be enthusiastically involved with her speech and expressions, but it would be a compromise. If she refused to do that, I'd feel rejected and deeply lonely and I'd be miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 02:38 AM
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So, to be clear, you don't believe I'm a sexist. I appreciate that. Most who fight so hard fir so long do so because they seem to believe they are fighting the good fight against some evil. There's desires, but no there isn't any real interpersonal need that can't be met without sex. Okay. So communication isn't a relational need. Interesting position. Please answer these questions for me honestly. Your wife suffers a SCI and is paralyzed with sexual activity prohibited. What do you do? Are you …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 02:30 AM
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You're free to put words in my mouth all you'd like, but it doesn't make it true. Which part was I wrong about? Sex is not an essential need. I disagree. Sexual companionship is a need within the context of a relationship. If your wife died tomorrow you wouldn't be seeing prostitutes or other women later in the week because you "needed it". By that standard, there's no such thing as true interpersonal need. If my wife died next week, there's a good chance I'd be dead in two. If I didn't have kid…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 02:15 AM
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Hahahaha! You've clearly never been to therapy as a man. They absolutely say no such thing. Regardless, I think we've hit an impasse. I'll continue to believe that my body belongs to my wife and hers to me and that we should both sacrifice almost anything to serve the other, so long as we aren't being asked to directly harm ourselves. You believe that sex isn't an essential need and that giving it up is a lesser ask than giving up something like communication, and that men should do it without q…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 02:07 AM
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What about when her dr says that's perfectly normal and expected for her condition and you can't expect that to change for several weeks before it's considered not normal? What if a therapist tells me I'm right, my wife traumatized me, and it's totally fine to ignore her until I'm healed? Remember that sexual activity is more than a physical act So is talking. You're avoiding the point because you believe the female's needs are legitimate while the male's are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:57 AM
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So if the doctor says she's good for a hand job 10 days after birth but she doesn't feel ready, she should go to therapy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:51 AM
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Emotionally traumatized. Need to heal. Need 6 weeks off from speaking. Totally reasonable, right? She'd be ridiculous to object, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:47 AM
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I said I basically agreed with subtleties, and I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:44 AM
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So if I don't feel like talking for 6 straight weeks after a traumatic fight, my wife should have no objection, right? If she did, that would be ridiculous, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:38 AM
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Mental trauma, lol. Give me a break. Nothing we're discussing has that potential; I didn't marry someone with the emotional range of a goldfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:35 AM
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No need is greater than a spouse's life, so anything that endangers them is outside the scope of my comments, but otherwise a spouse's needs override comfort and convenience. That's my position for both myself and my wife. When needs are at odds, that's where compromise comes in.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:33 AM
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My needs matter as much as my wife's needs, agree or no? As for me, I'll continue to believe that my body belongs to my wife. Her needs matter more than my body does, and I'll fulfill those needs at all costs. I'll give up pain, discomfort, or life itself to meet her needs. I don't expect her to do the same, but minor inconvenience to fulfill one of my core needs? Yeah, I do expect a reasonable conversation and compromise with her about that, and I don't feel the need to apologize for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:28 AM
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I basically agree with all that, with some subtleties. Now connect it to the discussion we're having.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:20 AM
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Not at all, because every couple and individual has different needs. I would be emotionally more able to withstand 6 weeks without verbal communication than 6 weeks without sexual connection. My wife, meanwhile, would be reversed, as would most women. Would you say that as long as I'm meeting her sexual needs but not feeling up to talking that I'm not ignoring her or her needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:15 AM
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I think you missed my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:10 AM
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None of those. Those are parts of life and don't prevent someone from providing for their spouse's needs. I'm talking about true rarities that truly prevent whatever is needed. Because sex is just the example we're discussing, but a marriage needs more than sex. It needs communication as well, for example. If I'm in pain, no sleep, and depressed, is that an excuse to stonewall my wife and not talk to her? No, of course not. I deal with 3/4 of those 90% of the time, I still do my best to fulfill …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:05 AM
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You made it several times. You do not see a reason that women can't give hand because you believe it won't do anything to her. True, I do believe that. Nonetheless, I didn't suggest my wife ignore her OBGYNs advice, and it's irrelevant to my core argument. You entire premise is dependent on an opinion that you believe it won't turn her own in any way. It would only be okay if your assumption is 100% No. My premise has nothing to do with sexual contact in the first week. That's your focus, but no…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 12:57 AM
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Her effort during that time was healing from a baby. If a dr says 7 days rest means no sexual activity and you know that, specifically when added 21 days for non penetrative sex. If her Dr uses the words you quoted it means no hand jobs. She was told to rest for 7 days. Unless you can ensure that she would not be turned on it's out of the question. Your opinion on her perceived state of arousal doesn't count. You really seem hung up on arguing a point I didn't make. Is it because you can't argue…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 12:47 AM
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Please read your previous comments that hand jobs don't count and you feel that it would be fine for most women. You stand by what you said that medical clearance isn't needed for sexual activity immediately after delivery. Now it's no, I said wait 7 days, what are you talking about?? Who said differently? You, but you don't like it being pointed out. I do stand by it. Doctors recommends no activity that may arouse for 5-7 days. If an activity doesn't arouse, it doesn't count. My 1 day post part…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 12:41 AM
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7 days rest and then talk is exactly what I'm advocating for. Who are you arguing with? The wall? The sky? Who are you so angry at that you can't read what was written? Jerking off doesn't relieve my core need for sexual companionship. Why do women think that what men truly care about is an orgasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 12:32 AM
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My wife's doctor recommended 7 days of rest So your own doctor recommended against it and you're saying no, it's fine. Not even vaguely. Our first sexual contact after our first kid was nearly 3 weeks. We were both exhausted, that kid never slept, and sex wasn't a core need for either of us during that period. With out second, it was closer to 10 days, but he was a saint. Best kid ever. I've recommended reasonable compromise to ensure core needs are met. You recommended violating the order of 7 …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 12:24 AM
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First, recommendations vary. My wife's doctor recommended 7 days of rest, 21 days minimum before penetration, with significant caution exercised before 6 weeks. With our first, we didn't have intercourse for 7 weeks. With our second, it was 5. As an MD myself, I think the above recommendation is wise. Second, thank you for yet more evidence supporting my assertion. I've never recommended risking a woman's health, I've recommended reasonable compromise to ensure core needs are met. Women don't co…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 12:12 AM
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Eh, I don't find non-reciprocal hand jobs to turn women on. I stand by what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:56 PM
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That's true for 5-7 days post delivery. After that, all non-penetrative sex is perfectly fine, and some women can engage in that as little as two weeks after delivery, although that's highly variable. A hand job a week after delivery poses zero risk to a woman. Zero. 0.0%.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:53 PM
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Roll your eyes all you want. I'll continue to believe that my body belongs to my wife. Her needs matter more than my body does, and I'll fulfill those needs at all costs. I'll give up pain, discomfort, or life itself to meet her needs. I don't expect her to do the same, but minor inconvenience to fulfill one of my core needs? Yeah, I do expect a reasonable conversation and compromise with her about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:50 PM
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That sexual activities are workable immediately after childbirth, even if sexual intercourse is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:46 PM
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Not even vaguely. My wife's hands weren't injured.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:42 PM
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You just said women never need medical clearance to have sex after childbirth. No, I didn't. Read my comment more carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:40 PM
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Masturbation doesn't fulfill my need for sexual companionship any more than talking to myself fulfills my need for emotional conversation. I noticed you completely ignored the point again. Pull that advantage through.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:39 PM
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I never said otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:37 PM
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Of course you did. Compromise looks like, 'Hey, I'll give you $5000 for that car." "No, I need $6000." "How about $5500?" "Deal." Your suggestion is that a man just totally gives up sex of all kinds for a completely indeterminate amount of time with zero discussion. That's not compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:34 PM
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Right, which is why I suggested compromise while you rejected it entirely. Thus, evidencing my point. I've been seriously injured numerous times, certainly more impaired than my wife ever has been, including after both deliveries, and yet I've never once thought 'hmm, I matter more than my wife does, screw her needs.' Even injured, I fulfilled her most essential needs of me, or made arrangements for them to be done if I was truly unable, such as heavy lifting after my surgeries. That's called co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:21 PM
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Her hands work fine, too. Asking for a partner to fulfill an essential part of a marriage I'd not unreasonable or clueless. Guess what? I also expect her to communicate effectively with me. Terrible, I know. Your continued examples of my point are appreciated, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:13 PM
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So you did understand, at least in part, so I'll say to you again, thank you for evidencing my point. Compromise is important, but rare, and women rarely engage in it in good faith when it comes to sex in a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:01 PM
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I'm 99% confident that you didn't understand what I said and what it meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 10:38 PM
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Thank you for evidencing my point. No clearance is needed by a doctor for sexual activities post delivery.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 10:34 PM
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For men, yes, it is. It's not the only thing, but it's top three.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 10:16 PM
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The husband gets impatient, or the wife starts to resent the constant nagging for sex. A little understanding on both parts is helpful. Usually, the wife expects a massive amount of understanding, not just a little. Compromise is healthy, but it's rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 10:15 PM
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It fades for many women. Most men find it a lifelong companion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 10:10 PM
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Could you ever adopt a dog that could fly?
/r/MensRights02/06/23 03:28 PM
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They are uncomfortable. I recommend only banging people you trust completely. Ideally, one you share an anniversary with.
/r/MensRights24/05/23 07:55 PM
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Passport bros are 100% transactional. I don't think anyone denies that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:29 AM
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I mean, it's not relevant to me, it's just the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:58 AM
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Men who can afford to attract women on money alone, in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:18 AM
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lol. High status men do no such thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:10 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 07:36 PM
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lol. May as well shout to the wind.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:15 PM
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May as well shout to the wind. Human beings as a whole will always do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:10 PM
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What's not understood? Men often seek looks-based validation through sexual encounters. You seem to have no difficulties with that, so it's easy for you to view a hypothetical waiting period as acceptable even though she gives it up easily to other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 04:52 PM
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That works with my basic framework. Your emotional validation needs are satiated, so you're in the small group who doesn't need that validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:51 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 01:51 AM
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Ok. I believe that you believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 01:51 AM
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Follow that up with uplifting words and he, well, he may cry. 'I just wanted to show you how much your sacrifice means to me, how much I value it, and how much I respect you for it.'
/r/MensRights25/04/23 01:08 AM
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You cannot know that. You cannot logically presume that human level knowledge would not have impacts on lower species.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 01:06 AM
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lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:55 AM
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Putting up a tree and putting presents under it (commonly referred to is christmas) was started by Christians. it now affects non-christians, showing that religion can affect society large-scale even if the individuals are not religious. If you want to argue participating in Christmas rituals isn't celebrating Christmas feel free but I disagree. If you aren't celebrating Christ, you are not celebrating Christmas. If you aren't acknowledging Muhammed, you aren't celebrating Ramadan. Participation…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:49 AM
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Men value money in general. Not really. Men generally have more interest in things, money is just the vehicle. Since women have started working tho they have rated a man's income as less important than before it was commonplace for women to enter the workplace. They say that. The do not act that. Meaning that as it becomes less common for women to rely on their husband for financial support it's possible this will continue to decrease. Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:47 AM
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Nope. That's not celebrating Christmas, it's participation in a cultural ritual. Celebration of Christmas inherently involves celebration of Christ, which no atheist does.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:42 AM
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That's because of values men hold, not women. Men don't value women's money. That's a unidirectional value.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:40 AM
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No, I don't. Not one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:38 AM
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The two are almost always linked.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:37 AM
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Unexpected (gift), unexpected place, unexpected time. Gift is a euphemism.
/r/MensRights25/04/23 12:30 AM
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It is one thing to ban sex work and another to punish only men for using it. I can't think of a single other service where consumer is punished while provider isn't. Such a thing would NEVER be tolerated if the genders were reversed.
/r/MensRights25/04/23 12:25 AM
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lol. Men who have enough money to passport-bro aren't doing so just for looks. That's the audition, not the casting. Western women aren't getting cast.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:21 AM
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She would if there was a $10,000,000 prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:19 AM
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The more ugly traits you stack on a person, the rarer they become too. But they're not more desirable. That's a cross cultural truth. True. Seeing as most beauty standards aren't held across culture, i don't think it has anything to do with body count. Ok. The most popular religions are composed of similar ideals. These religions have impacted culture in virtually every country as a result of colonialism. Since all stem from the same idea they hold a lot of similar rules/values. One of which is …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:18 AM
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Those are behaviors, not personalities. Regardless, any woman can attain a high body count, but not any man can.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:08 AM
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But rarity is. The more beauty standards you stack onto one person, the more desirable they become. Regardless of what those standards are. That's a cross cultural truth. Female chastity is valued across countries, cultures, and religions. What's your explanation for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:01 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 11:58 PM
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I'm saying the common nature of a man who slept around is the same as a woman. That's not common. making the man a hypocrite because he has the same negative traits he's trying to avoid. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 11:46 PM
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You've only got one example of a 'rare' beauty standard. Any rational person will tell you one example isn't enough to defend an argument especially when there is proof saying otherwise. No, I named multiple. Symmetry, skinny, blue eyes, big boobs, big eyes... and especially stacked on top of one another. You, mostly ignored symmetry and completely ignored big eyes and blue eyes. You also ignored the most important part: all those stacked together. That's where rare truly comes in. I didn't name…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 11:46 PM
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You nailed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 11:02 PM
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...so men in the west realize that the women here are highly prized and sought after too. They aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 11:00 PM
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Men who had lots of past partners are more likely to cheat during a marriage, which would lead to loss of resources. Especially if he got her pregnant. There is also a chance he has a child he doesn't know about. Irrelevant (apparently) because women still choose them at a disproportionate percentage. If your claims reflected reality, that wouldn't be the case. (Also, purely sexual cheating does not result in lower resource availability unless there's a child.) What about a woman who slept aroun…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 10:58 PM
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The first red head one was to show men also find the 'rarest' hair color unattractive. It failed. First, because a 6 person, uncontrolled, sample size is completely inadequate to show anything. Next, because it didn't measure attractiveness, it measured relative, hypothetical attractiveness. Some attractive traits might be rare but rareness isn't what makes them attractive. Facial symmetry alone won't be enough to defend your argument as I have shown many traits that are rare, aren't attractive.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 10:55 PM
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No, because past sexual partners don't require present resources. You could say that women also prefer men without children, which they do, but past sexual experience is irrelevant to current resource availability.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 10:36 PM
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How difficult would you say it was to attain that number? How difficult would it be to attain more?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 10:35 PM
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Red head least attractive: https://scholar.utc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1008&context=mps#:~:text=A%20Tukey%20test%20was%20applied,red%20as%20the%20least%20attractive. Total 6 males surveyed. Radically insufficient sample size. https://www.jstor.org/stable/26477962 I'll look at this one later when I can log on and read the full study. 2% of the population had AA cups (the smallest size) and some women have boobs even smaller that don't require bras. D cup is 10% and DD is 1%: https://www.b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 10:33 PM
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Dick as defined by...?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:51 PM
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What's your body count?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:49 PM
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More than one study supports that red haired women are considered the least attractive by men Could you link to them? The studies I've found are of particularly low quality. The other end of the things you say (such as small boobs) tend to be just as rare and are considered more unattractive than the most common phenotype despite their rarity. Disproportionately small boobs are far less rare than disproportionately large ones. No. There's a ton of revisionist myths commonly spouted here, but fat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:43 PM
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I believe both parts. It's exactly why once a woman picks a mate, she will do almost anything to prevent him from having sex with other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:31 PM
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If you think value stems from scarcity than explain why red hair isn't valued and give me an example of something else related to women that is valued due to scarcity. One example of something unrelated to women can't hold an argument. I don't believe that female redheads are less valued than their blonde/brown haired peers. I think that's a result of either your fantasy or atrocious study design. (For example, one truly atrocious study published in 2012 used people in WIGS to evaluate hair pref…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:30 PM
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Dunno how it leads to hurt feelings. Because I value you and see you not as a ONS, and before I get invested with you emotionally because I see this going somewhere, and pair bond with you etc, I want to make sure this is real Because you don't understand how men think. Men want to be valued on their appearance. That is a goal of virtually all men of all species. It's why male birds (and other animals) are the 'pretty' ones. Their appearance is what largely defines their worth to females of thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:14 PM
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Then women would also value low body counts for men as it would ensure they get a maximum amount of resources. You said women would value higher-body counts in a man because it's rarer. No. Men with a lot of resources have high body counts because many women want those resources. I can't tell if you truly don't understand what is being said, cannot, or choose not to. Regardless, it's tiresome.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:08 PM
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There is a difference between an individual saying 'I'm damaged' and using it to describe a whole group of people for a specific reason you personally don't like. No. It is true, a quick google search could show you. Scarcity isn't valued, cultural importance is. For example, grass lawns were only kept by the wealthy, poorer people wanted to appear more wealthy, now grass lawns are valuable for properties even though they are the most commonly available option. Gold. For people with low body cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:06 PM
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Worth is an inherit positive human quality. Calling someone damaged deprives them of it. Nope. I'm not going to waste time arguing this anymore. We disagree. Everyone everywhere is damaged. So men value scarcity when it comes to body count but not hair color? Obviously scarcity isn't what's being valued. It stems from religion, prior to that body count wasn't important. Apparently. I'd be surprised if what what you claim is accurate, but assuming it is, not all scarce characteristics are equal. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 08:45 PM
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Dehumanizing: depriving a person or group of positive human qualities. Which isn't what I'm doing. I'm not 'depriving a person of positive human qualities,' I'm acknowledging negative human qualities. Your argument is like saying I'm 'dehumanizing' a 5'3" man by calling him 'not tall.' It's irrational. People inherently have worth, it is a necessary human quality. I'm aware of that, which is why I stated exactly that in a previous response. Hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral stand…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 08:33 PM
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Claiming that a specific group of people are worth less and damaged is dehumanizing. Error 1: I did not make any such claim. I never said that any person (or group of people) was 'worth less.' Error 2: Dehumanization is not about pointing out accurate information, it is about removing people from human characteristics. Such as if a person said that someone 'isn't a human being' for some reason, such as age, race, or religion. Rarity doesn't add worth. Yes, it does, it almost all circumstances. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 08:18 PM
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I mean, sure, but not really. Everyone is damaged. The shapes are just different.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 08:09 PM
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The word damaged is not meant to be used to describe people, it is meant for objects. By saying 'damaged' you are implicitly claiming she is worth less as damaged objects are as valuable as undamaged ones. That is dehumanizing. Of course it is. To deny that humans are damaged is to deny reality. We are all damaged. 100% of all humans are damaged. That damage takes different forms and exists in different degrees, but it exists within all of us. To acknowledge damage is, perhaps, the most human tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 08:03 PM
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saying single mothers are damaged is a common example of dehumanizing and Single mothers are damaged. That's not dehumanizing, it's factual. Now, saying single mothers are worthless would be dehumanizing, because all humans have value. Dehumanization is the process of describing someone in a way that is outside of humanity, not accurately describing negative traits or characteristics that an individual human has. saying you want a woman with a low body count while yours is high is a common examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:44 PM
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The OP didn't mention any situations that are either one of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:38 PM
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No, not every man she wants a LTR with, every man that she sleeps with. That said, I also do agree, if she tells every man that she wants a LTR with with that, 'I sleep with men on the first date regularly, but won't sleep with you for 3+ months,' that's fair to him, even if it's incredibly self-centered and will inevitably lead to hurt feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:37 PM
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CRAZY important. Your success or failure early on often shapes your entire personality and sense of self worth over your entire lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 06:56 PM
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Is your argument that preferences are acceptable but choosing those preferences based on facts is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 06:54 PM
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High levels of testosterone and low levels of estrogen during puberty are good for males but bad for females. I applied it unequally, so it's obviously not factual.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 06:53 PM
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I 100% agree, so long as the woman does this exact strategy for EVERY man she sleeps with. So, does that fit within your post? If not, I follow with... If she doesn't, she's just a manipulative hypocrite looking for a long term sucker that she doesn't truly care about. His emotions don't matter to her, she's only valuing hers. Hopefully, you'd agree that's wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 06:45 PM
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I never claimed otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:16 AM
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There's no masturbation that matches sex with my wife. The orgasm may sometimes feel equally, but everything else is worse. Masturbation never truly improves my mood, at best it's minor stress relief. Meanwhile, sex makes me feel like I can conquer the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 03:43 PM
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But I'm questioning whether the OP is asking me the question now, today, or hypothetically.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 11:59 AM
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I can't tell if you legitimately didn't understand my response or if you're making a semantic argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 11:47 AM
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All this does is ensure relational dissatisfaction later on. Once the 'relationship guy' finds out, the seed is planted and he WILL regret his choice. That's not sensible if the goal is to have a quality relationship. Now, if the goal is to have a crappy relationship, than your statement is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 09:46 AM
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Masturbation and sex aren't the same, nor are they even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 09:20 AM
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I already have kids, so if I'm asked that today, I choose the second option. I'm not giving up my children for anything. If I'm starting over tomorrow at 18, I choose the first option.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 09:18 AM
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It's gotten hilarious. I was at a party a few months ago and I was chatting with a buddy about his dating woes. He's... done poorly in the dating world. He's great, but he's not attractive and a bit socially awkward. We were basically just discussing how the deck has become extremely stacked against men, we weren't blindly bashing women or anything. Anyway, a woman standing nearby overheard us and started engaging. Over the next few minutes, she grew increasingly hostile, and the word 'misogyny'…
/r/AntiFeminists16/02/23 10:29 PM
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Wasn't asking you to. I was simply correcting a common misconception I see posted a lot. I'm very glad you both got through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 09:14 PM
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I feel like you’re splitting hairs here. I’m not sure why? I'm being accurate. Accuracy matters, especially in an area where so many people fall prey to inaccurate information. If it made him more hungry and he gained weight, it was still the medication that cause that. You may be able to accurately say the medication made him hungry. You cannot accurately say it made him overeat. Metabolic syndrome has been studied in direct relation to antipsychotics affecting the way dopamine interacts with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 09:08 PM
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No. Quetiapine doesn't break thermodynamic laws. It may send signals that increase the likelihood of ATP to fat storage, but it doesn't cause weight gain. This is simple to test. Take in no calories whatsoever while taking quetiapine. If you gain weight, your assertion is correct. If you lose weight, it's incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 08:37 PM
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Happens constantly. 'Housework' never seems to mean anything hard, technical, or physically demanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 07:13 PM
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I have an under the desk treadmill and walk literally all day while I work. I get 12k-18k steps most days. I still have to count calories and meal plan to keep from gaining weight. Steps don't matter. Walking isn't helping. You need more time within the higher ranges of exertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 07:08 PM
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My husband who was always physically fit, gained 40/50lbs in 6 months due to some medication he was put on many years ago. That's still within his control. He didn't gain weight because of a medication; the medication didn't have calories. He gained weight because he out-ate his caloric expenditures.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 07:05 PM
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I think most men think the same way on the topic: all people should control the things they can control if those things matter to their partner. Weight is 100%, always, always, always, within a person's control. There are zero reasonable-example exceptions. So, if your weight matters to your partner, you should maintain it. The same applies to anything else within your control. Aging skin? Can't control that. Balding? Can't control that. Cancer? Can't control that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 07:04 PM
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A quartic projection. Impressive.
/r/MensRights15/11/22 11:30 PM
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Projection squared. Pull that disad through.
/r/MensRights15/11/22 11:24 PM
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You clearly don't know how to read, nor do you dwell in reality. No matter how loud you reee, feminism is not egalitarianism. That's an observable fact that I can prove, and have. No feminist supports equality. Zero. But hey, prove me wrong. Find me one feminist who believes that men should have the same authority over their children's bodies that women do. Just one. I'll wait. Now sit down, child, before you embarass yourself even more.
/r/MensRights15/11/22 10:54 PM
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Never said women's rights infringe on ours (although at least one does.) I said feminists are opposed to equality. That's not an opinion, it's a fact, and I've NEVER met an exception. Do you call yourself a feminist? If so, DM me. I'll show your hypocrisy instantly. Feminism is, by it's nature, NOT egalitarian. It's not a generalization, it's a fact. No irony, no hypocrisy, just you being brainwashed.
/r/MensRights15/11/22 10:29 PM
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A reasonable feminist is just an egalitarian btw. And you have 2 flavours of feminism. No. A feminist cannot be an egalitarian. If an egalitarian espouses feminist views, they are not an egalitarian. The two are mutually exclusive. You’re free to criticize them on it but going “oh all feminists are blah blah” is on par to how feminists go “all men are trash.” The two are very different. Not all men are trash, but all feminists oppose equality. It's like me saying 'all rapists are scumbags,' and …
/r/MensRights15/11/22 07:23 PM
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Reasonable and feminist ARE mutually exclusive.
/r/MensRights15/11/22 06:01 PM
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Go ahead and define it for me. Articulate how women's natures are externally toxic.
/r/MensRights10/11/22 08:10 PM
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I don't know a solitary married man who hasn't been hit at least once by his wife, even in happy marriages.
/r/MensRights07/11/22 02:52 PM
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You've made a claim. Prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:41 PM
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Ah yes, and the Ukrainians should unite with the Russians rather than oppose them. Great advice.
/r/MensRights30/10/22 02:45 PM
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You didn't answer my question whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:30 PM
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I'm a traditional, one woman, man, fit, can fight, can support my family, not addicted to porn, don't play video games regularly, have extensive weapons training, can do (and have done) extensive home improvement and maintenance, but probably could not build a quality home on my own, that I'll grant. As such, I'd argue that your post agrees that it's acceptable for me to complain about women, is that correct? Or am I disqualified because I probably can't build a quality home on my own? Your post…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 04:11 PM
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Your count is explicitly and absolutely not immutable. It's an active, intentional choice. That alone makes your argument/comparison completely irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 03:29 PM
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I rarely have interactions with that kind of person in real life, but the last time I did, the woman called me an incel as she walked away. I was watching my kids at a playground. With my wife.
/r/MensRights27/10/22 01:42 PM
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Bullshit.
/r/MensRights20/10/22 05:23 PM
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Absolutely not. Under no circumstances would I vote for that anti-freedom, pro-tax, prick.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 10:21 PM
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Nope. Those people have the least chance of divorcing. https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability/
/r/MensRights16/10/22 06:51 PM
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Right, which I addressed. I'm married and I made those choices many years ago. The data is very, very clear. The more partners a woman has, the more likely she is to divorce. That alone is a strong reason to value virginity or extremely low partner numbers. I married as a virgin and my wife is the only person I've ever had sex with.
/r/MensRights16/10/22 06:42 PM
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1) Yes, and if not, BC 1 at most. 2) Definitely, 100%, without children. Most women dating average men in their late 30s and 40s are also 30s and 40s and have kids. (Note: I'm married, not dating, but putting myself in the situation mentally.)
/r/MensRights16/10/22 06:26 PM
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Unless you're top 10% in income, none of that matters unless you're looking to date other men's leftovers.
/r/MensRights16/10/22 06:12 PM
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Exactly, so it's not an advantage at all.
/r/MensRights16/10/22 04:32 PM
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No. Toxic masculinity isn't real. If it were, the people who use the term would also use the term 'toxic femininity.' They don't, and there's a very good reason.
/r/MensRights07/10/22 05:08 PM
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Toxic masculinity doesn't exist at all. It's not a real thing, and no one who speaks about it as a real thing is doing anything excepting shaming men.
/r/MensRights07/10/22 04:57 PM
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Doesn’t seem like he’s trying to shame men at all. toxic masculinity is discussed Not trying to shame men... labels male traits as toxic. You may be confused.
/r/MensRights07/10/22 04:40 PM
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girls would think I was less masculine Sounds like toxic femininity, right? I'm sure your girlfriends agree.
/r/MensRights07/10/22 04:39 PM
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You didn't read what I just said, clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 12:24 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:04 PM
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No, the wisdom was before that. No idea, don't care was in response to your irrelevant link and question.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 07:53 PM
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Wisdom always sounds stupid to fools.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 07:49 PM
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I gave a random example. My wife and I don't use that kind of language, either, but we do express stress poorly in other ways. Any multi-decade married person that says that never happens is a liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 07:12 PM
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(X) Doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 07:11 PM
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Yes, but I'm saying if you lie and support your friend's side publicly, you suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 07:10 PM
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No. You said to that you should support your friend in public. That's nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:46 PM
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Men and women don't have different behaviors, that's the point. lol. I'm glad you believe yourself to be a paragon of moral virtue. 10:1 says your exes don't. Denial of reality is dangerous. Hopefully you return to it soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:45 PM
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No idea. Don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:43 PM
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If you aren't willing to acknowledge wrongdoing, you aren't the kind of friend quality people desire to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:33 PM
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Again, perhaps you missed it, but this is not a gendered issue. Let's say one person has an extremely stressful day at work. They also didn't get a chance to eat, so they are hungry. They come home and they accidentally trip on a shoe you left out. They yell and call you a f***ing asshole. They don't truly mean it, but their stress has left them on edge. It takes a good person, a pretty selfless person, to be able to deal with that situation without snapping back at them or getting angry. Now, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:32 PM
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No, cheating is wrong. Abuse of all varieties is wrong. Stealing is wrong. Manipulation is wrong. There's lots of thing that are wrong, and if my friend is doing them, I'll call them out because that's the right thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:26 PM
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i'm confused what tf kind of friendship you think it is to side with a stranger rather than your friend? like unless you're talking about literal abuse, of course you are going to support your friend? I side with whomever I believe is right. I'm not necessarily going to stop being friends with someone because they screw up a relationship (cheat, lets' say) but I will call them out on that misdeed. Men have much much weaker in-group bias than women, so it's understandable that this doesn't make s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:52 PM
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1) Most don't. Most men treat the women they get as well as they can. 2) Men, like women, find it difficult to be completely selfless. When they are in difficult situations, they often default to protecting their own interests. This is a human condition, not a gendered one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:50 PM
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So you haven’t answered my direct question. Typical. Questions with self-evident answers don't need answering. I explained perfectly well why your question didn't matter. No you do not get a refund lol. Same way you don’t get it now with insurance “choices” That’s hilarious. Right, my question also didn't need an answer. It was self-evident. The difference between insurance and taxes is that I can opt out of insurance. Taxes, not so much. Correction: feeling in charge of your own decision making…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:30 PM
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There's a few layers to this. The first is the huge word at the beginning of your question. IF. What if I pay a lot more (tax rates for comparable earners are much higher in places like Canada or the US, and money is fungible) and don't use the service at all? Do I get a refund of my taxes? Saving money isn't priority #1, being in charge of my own decision making is. Being stolen from to fund someone else's priorities isn't an acceptable methodology to me. I don't need a daddy to tell me how to …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:10 PM
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I don't care about credentials at all and only brought them up as a response. IMO, people reading should ignore both and decide which argument they find more compelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 04:25 PM
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No, they did present more facts than you. And your one boyfriend anecdote doesn’t represent the whole country’s struggle with college degrees, have you not heard of the trillions of dollars of school debt? Or the toxic job market since covid? Ah, I see your confusion. What they did was called an assertion. An assertion is not a fact. Additionally, the person who puts forward the assertion maintains the obligation to prove that assertion. They'd didn't. Oh sorry, your boyfriend went to a trade sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 04:11 PM
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So you're convinced by the other poster's assertions even though they also have not posted sources or facts? I'm deeply shocked that you're more swayed by an argument you already agree with. Shocked!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 03:51 PM
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One anecdote doesn’t dissolve a trend. Does it? It proves that there is no meaningful truth to your suggestion. Trades are open and do not require college. It’s 100% true. Google mandatory minimum sentencing laws. Ah, yes, if you are discussing people affected by those laws, you are correct. That's a minority situation, but it's real. That said,... I support extremely long sentences for all violent crime, including property destruction. Drugs, however, absolutely not. And black and brown men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 03:03 PM
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It doesn’t exist in the US at all. We have become a 2 class society of people who went to college and people who didn’t. College is astronomically expensive leaving people with crippling debt that eats away at their lifetime earnings. Economic mobility is the lowest it’s ever been. No, that's simply not true at all. Trades are incredibly rife with opportunities that don't require any college at all. My BIL is the perfect example. Multiple felonies, life in a tailspin. Has a GED because he couldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 02:36 PM
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slavery being legal for prisoners, people who have committed a felony losing the right to vote, I disagree and am completely fine with both of those things (with off topic caveats.) Those issues are bigger than sentencing disparities. The hell they are. #4: Private health insurance and care sucks, and compared to other countries, we pay more for a worse result. Propaganda. Try needing non-emergent knee or shoulder surgery in Canada or GB. You say "males will be forced to pay for this", yeah, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 02:21 PM
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I know that because my struggles during those times were caused by not having sex. My struggles led directly to her struggles, because when our sex life slowed down, I stopped being the partner that she needed me to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 02:15 PM
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This is the worst take I've ever heard. As for changing your mind, I only have anecdote, but I'll give it. My wife and I have been married for almost two decades. During that time, we've had struggles, and 100% of the times we were struggling were when we were having the least sex, and not just the least in terms of quantity, but also the least enthusiastic. Meanwhile, the times in which we've been having the best, most enthusiastic, honeymoon-level sex are the times where both of us have report…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:48 PM
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Mostly excellent. Minor disagreements with a few points. On #1, that already exists, but we may find common ground if you are simply talking about societal messaging. #3, yes, but also no. There needs to be reform, but most people are in jail for completely legitimate reasons. Even though I completely agree with your position of legalization of recreational drugs, the reality is that people in prison for drugs offenses are habitual, usually major, offenders. The far bigger issue is sentencing di…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:42 PM
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No. I'll continue to vote to support the rights of the millions (over the years) of my race who have been and will be be genocided.
/r/MensRights05/10/22 01:33 PM
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Yep. The title would change, too. "Coach's son accused of raping girls in high school for many years."
/r/MensRights05/10/22 11:59 AM
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Most divorced couples agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:14 PM
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We also wrote each other's profiles, so she wrote an (almost) true profile that she'd want to read as a woman looking for a date. I did the same for her. Both from the perspective of finding a partner, not just getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 05:32 PM
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I'm not sure in total. 30+ the first day. Of those, she was easily able to get more than a dozen to set up in person dates. Once it got to that point, we explained what we were doing and apologized. Didn't ghost anyone. I commiserated with guys that responded to that announcement. Most laughed, a few were pissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 05:28 PM
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In 3 days, I never got a match.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 05:00 PM
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Did this with my wife a number of years ago. It was devastating mentally. Do not recommend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 04:57 PM
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Ever been in a boss fight where the boss deploys drones or clones or minor enemies while it regroups? Your suggestion is akin to only attacking those additional enemies while ignoring the boss.
/r/MensRights04/10/22 04:47 PM
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Sounds naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 04:40 PM
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Nope. Now, there are some subtleties, but if your kids are a bigger life priority than your spouse, you're a fool. My wife is my #1 relationship priority. Time with her is more important than time with my kids. That doesn't mean it's 100% time with her and 0% with them, but my top priority is ensuring that our relationship is solid. I'm a husband first and a father second. That's the correct order.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 04:02 PM
5

That's because she hasn't been charged yet, probably.
/r/MensRights04/10/22 03:01 PM
1

My take is that after marriage, women identify as a more mature “mom” or “wife” and subtly shift their roles away from the more youthful and fun girlfriend/fiancé roles. This is critical. At no point should a man support that shift. When you hear comments from others such as 'kids come first,' there should be a response. No, they don't. When those behaviors show up at home, it has to be addressed early, before it takes root. A husband who lets his wife become mom first will never get her back.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 03:00 PM
-1

Height matters a lot by far but it doesn't trump race. Trust me. Disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:30 AM
1

"Tall" is often a dog whistle term for "White" but nobody here is ready for that conversation. I mean, as a black dude, I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:27 AM
3

We do? Maybe some do, but I don't think it's the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:27 AM
3

I didn't say we did. However, I'm also not idiotic enough to believe that it won't always be a part of human society.
/r/MensRights04/10/22 12:18 AM
3

He's not arguing that they have to. He's simply pointing out that women basically have the option of doing extremely well without even trying.
/r/MensRights04/10/22 12:16 AM
22

Nope, but if you had up 190 country flags, the 5 left out could rightfully infer disdain.
/r/MensRights02/10/22 09:31 PM
16

If there is a sign for every major demographic, except two, those two rightfully feel like they are being told a negative. To deny that shows exactly what you believe, and it's gross.
/r/MensRights02/10/22 09:24 PM
3

The irony is that sex work is one of the few, possibly only, things that many/most modern women can offer men as a good or service that men actually care about. To oppose its legality is to deny many women their only truly marketable asset. That, in turn, makes slaves of women who become inherently reliant on men to provide for their needs. It's an astonishingly delusional stance for a feminist of any stripe. (I'm not pro sex work, and I believe women should develop other marketable skills inste…
/r/MensRights28/09/22 06:43 PM
2

Ironically, in both situations it's someone else's body doing the dying to protect the woman.
/r/MensRights27/09/22 04:19 PM
2

Yep, but a flair doesn't determine epistemological value. Your use of that terminology shifts the discussion to which is more valuable, and in this case, my opinion carries more weight than yours for numerous reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:43 AM
2

Whatever you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:17 AM
2

You have a hypothesis. You, therefore, have the burden of proof to prove it. Therefore, me saying 'it's true,' actually does have more validity than you saying it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:00 AM
1

So, in other words, nothing could possibly convince you and this 'CMV' should have been a 'YCCMV.' 10-4
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:52 AM
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I'm not sure where I should post. I completely agree with your thesis about dating, but radically disagree with: I still think the advantages of urban areas outweigh the drawbacks, for BOTH men and women. Urban areas suck and there are almost no advantages whatsoever. Taxes are higher, crime is worse, laws are significantly worse, and apathy is much greater.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 10:39 PM
3

I'm 40, married, two kids. I think most of the complaints in this sub are valid and on track. I believe that what I felt in college was accurate then, and more accurate every year. Does that change your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 10:33 PM
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Exactly, which is an idiotic take incompatible with the language. It's a racist acting like a racist. Regardless, even if it were true, it's irrelevant. Text doesn't change. It's not alive. If you want to change it, there are methods to do so, use them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 02:05 AM
1

Dude, Dredd scot is one of the most egregious originalist case ever. Literally the first one. And is a perfect example of what happens when lawmaking is run through a prejudicial view. It's not an originalist ruling. Can't be, as race isn't mentioned in the Constitution. You need a review. How about we have this conversation when we both pass the bar! I’ll check back with you soon to see when you’re scheduled! No time soon, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:59 AM
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how are you black and an originalist? I'm deeply logical. Originalism is the only rational way to interpret any text. Words don't magically change meanings because we no longer like what the author said. I've had this conversation before, and I've saved links to help the process. Read the one below if you need to overview, but I'm an 'original meaning' Originalist. https://pacificlegal.org/originalism-vs-textualism-vs-living-constitutionalism/ I wasn't alive for Dred Scot, and even if I was, it …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:36 AM
1

I support originalism and believe it's the only rational way to interpret laws. I also completely reject the idea that Republicans (usually) support racist laws. Meanwhile, I know for a fact that Democrats do. Hell, they wrote it into their party platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:26 AM
1

I research and I vote for whomever I believe to be the candidate that will best represent my viewpoints. That has never been a Democrat, nor can I ever see it being one. If I think it's an extremely important race and don't believe my first choice can possibly win, I will begrudgingly vote for a lesser of two evils.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:05 AM
2

As a black quasi-conservative, I completely reject the idea that racism is behind my views.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:01 AM
1

I saw your list, realized how funny it was compared to mine, and responded. I changed your 'regardless of background' to 'regardless of reasons' because the word 'background' seemed odd in that context to me. Like, what background could justify a worldview that I think is fundamentally flawed? No, there truly was no joke in my response. It was serious. If you want to debate my positions, feel free, but they are true and 0% a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:50 AM
1

I didn't take offense to any of them. Why do you keep saying that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:44 AM
0

Not even remotely, your list makes perfect sense to me. I don't understand, what joke?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:40 AM
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My list was 100% serious. No joke, no /s. You and I seem to agree about annoyances but wildly disagree on life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:33 AM
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Not dating, but as a mental exercise, my list is: Body count > 1 Single motherhood. US liberal regardless of reasons. Vegetarian or vegan. Cat owner. Smoker.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:30 AM
1

Far be it from me to contradict a woman concerning her deep and abiding understanding of men, but no. Men are not impressed by women being catcalled, even by their friends. They are impressed by men who manage to interact successfully with beautiful women. That is the goal, even though it's executed very foolishly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 05:41 PM
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They believe it's a compliment, yes. They are idiots who wouldn't recognize a quality compliment if it bit them in the ass, but yes, they truly believe it's a compliment. They would LOVE if a woman did the same to them. (Caveat: I'm speaking generally. Some men are absolute pigs who catcall because of a power dynamic. Some women enjoy being catcalled. There are exceptions to everything.)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 05:21 PM
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I understand that's how most women view it, but the reason they view it that way is because of what I just said. I do not support catcalling women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 04:37 PM
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Because most men don't care about the opinions of other men as it pertains to their physical attributes, and, biologically, why would they? A male peacock does care what other male peacocks think about his feathers, he cares about what peahens think. Meanwhile, women don't care what some average guy's opinions about her looks are. If he's not a partner or potential partner, his opinions about her sexual worth are worthless to her. Almost no woman finds catcalling appealing for that reason, and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 04:34 PM
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What can I do to give a proper compliment without it leading to anything more? Depends on what you mean by 'anything more.' If you mean the possibility he might attempt a connection (ask for number, etc.) than I honestly don't know. He might very well do that. You could say, 'I'm taken, this isn't a come on, but (compliment.)' You'd compliment a woman even though she might be a lesbian, right? I think context matters. A compliment at the grocery store is different than one at the bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 02:51 AM
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What you call superficial, I call something I'll remember the rest of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 01:51 AM
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I've discussed this topic with guys before, but not in depth enough to feel comfortable speaking for men as a whole from here on out. For me, the hierarchy is something like unfamiliar women, unfamiliar men, familiar women, familiar men, relatives. As for the what, something that's me. My clothing is not me, it's just some mass produced fabric. Same with anything I wear or own really, unless I made it myself. My looks/body/voice is the most quintessential me thing, so that's top of the list. Up …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 01:06 AM
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I agree with this, and I’m sorry this is a wide spread experienced thing. Do dude friends ever compliment each other or is that like a no homo thing? We 100% do. We also 100% do not care about those compliments. Compliments from men do absolutely nothing to help (most) men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 12:11 AM
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I don't know why it got banned, but I know it wasn't that.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 12:07 AM
1

That's good, although compliments from partners often have baggage, too. Compliments from a sister don't matter at all, really. Compliments from strangers are superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:21 PM
2

I'm not the person you responded to originally. I'm an MD.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 10:44 PM
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There's a lot in the running for worst, but I'm going to go with one I haven't seen yet: never getting meaningful compliments. (Part 2 of this idea is women attempting to tell me what kinds of compliments are acceptable to desire and which ones are not.) Before the responses get jumpy, no, you complimenting my shirt isn't meaningful. No, you saying I did a good job at work isn't meaningful. No, my mom saying I have pretty eyes is not meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 09:24 PM
4

SSRIs are well known to increase suicidal ideation in vulnerable populations. I wouldn't trade being horny for risking death.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 09:19 PM
1

If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 05:13 PM
1

If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 05:01 PM
1

Ah, so it does exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:56 PM
2

Ah, explains why the flair exists, then. Wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:48 PM
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Wrong. I want it to exist and be exactly equal for both genders.
/r/MensRights20/09/22 04:14 PM
3

Interesting that you would isolate redpill and not bluepill, which is even more disastrous for society. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:35 PM
2

Learn to give great head.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 01:03 AM
1

Yeah, you're pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:57 AM
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As a man, I want my partner to strongly desire me physically, value my intelligence, laugh at my jokes, and admire my skills in that order. In other words, body, brain, actions, sense of humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:55 AM
1

You're pretty, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:49 AM
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that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:47 AM
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Pretty girl don't do that. Chubby girls do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:32 AM
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Depends on the methodology. Are they gym rats or are they just dieting? A gym rat might work long term, but someone who just diet is almost always going to end up fat again. Might not be today, but I guarantee they retire overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:31 AM
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What is wrong with you. I DIDNT GOOGLE IT AS IVE BEEN SAYING THIS WAS THE STUDY LINKED Damn, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. That's even worse. Not really, speed dating is too similar to OLD and too artificial to prove anything Ah, so now that you got caught, you're saying it doesn't count. CLASSIC! So again we’re not living in reality here, why don’t you try it and time yourself. You sound delusional I've watched it dozens of times. It's you denying reality, unless you're a g…
/r/MensRights19/09/22 06:00 PM
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Why don’t you actually READ IT before making stupid accusations. I’m going to link it https://www.kaggle.com/code/jph84562/the-ugly-truth-of-people-decisions-in-speed-dating **We can see that there is a great difference between what male and female participants are looking for. For male participants, the attractiveness of the female is given a lot more weight, and the ambitiousness or if they have any shared interset are ranked not as high. For females, the points are more evenly distributed acr…
/r/MensRights19/09/22 05:31 PM
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For the height thing yes, as I said the study showing women care more about looks actually had the opposite conclusion Either I'm crossing threads, or you're nuts. My source already showed womens looks matter MORE than mens already, if you can find something that shows the opposite then you can disprove my point It was provided to you already and you claim it reached an opposite conclusion. It shows women put more time, effort and consideration into their looks and being physically attractive. Y…
/r/MensRights19/09/22 04:10 PM
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1) It isn't. I'm sorry you've been deceived. 2) It's inaccurate that I've seen it many, many, many more times from women? Wow, so you're like, god, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:07 PM
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Any evidence ? Yes, and it's been provided to you. A tv show isn’t a source, the study he linked actually proved the OPPOSITE that women care less about looks then men Nor did I claim it was. I would ask for a source but it doesn’t exist. I have seen this happen with my own eyes Doubtful. Real as in it exists Thank you for evidencing my point. That doesn’t discount what I’m saying at all. Your argument was that women's looks matter more in the job market. I am discussing ways that men's looks ma…
/r/MensRights19/09/22 03:06 PM
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1) Toxic masculinity isn't a thing. Has never been a thing. Will never be a thing. 2) The people that do the actions you've described above are almost always women. I've seen and experienced it from men, absolutely, but many, many, many more times from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:46 PM
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The key is obvious: in person interest groups. It doesn't matter what it is, just find something that you are interesting in. Rock climbing, church, square dancing, etc. Find something that is a group activity that interests you and get plugged in. You'll be in person and have the opportunity to interact with people who share interests. Go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:34 PM
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Looking at the beauty industry, there has only relatively recently been a push toward body acceptance for women who are bigger. That's because it's the ONE remaining bastion of male preference, and they are trying to take that away, too. Men don't care that much about short or tall, they don't care that much about hair color, they don't care much about fashion, and they don't care much about what job women have. Many men prefer big boobs, but tons of us prefer smaller ones. Big ass is in vogue, …
/r/MensRights19/09/22 02:15 PM
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Let me just make sure I understand all the absurd claims your making here women require someone significantly taller than them women care about looks just as much as men Not the person you're responding to, but yes, both of those are accurate when you are speaking from an aggregate. real life dating research shows that it is the same as OLD Well, speed dating, yes. It's been pretty well researched and well known for a long time that when time is a controlled variable, women are MUCH more looks f…
/r/MensRights19/09/22 02:09 PM
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No women are saying the “6 ft”, just because you can find a few dating profiles and TikToks doesn’t mean it’s a majority opinion. It doesn’t exist in the real world I'm an ugly guy. Objectively. I posses positive traits, but my face is not one of them. My wife doesn't care about that, and didn't when we met. Want to know what she told me when asked why she approached me initially? 'I liked what you said, and you were tall.' 'What if I wasn't tall?' 'Good thing you were, I don't like short guys.'…
/r/MensRights19/09/22 01:18 PM
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The reality is “incel” is an ideological movement and the only times I’ve heard people called that is online when they say something misogynistic. Then you've not done much reading on reddit. Things I've been called an incel for: 1) Posting in this sub. When they don't like something I say on an unrelated topic, they go comment history, see this sub, and use the word. This has happened many, many times. 2) Saying that men and women should be treated equally by the government in all ways. 3) Sayi…
/r/MensRights19/09/22 01:11 PM
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believeallmen
/r/MensRights18/09/22 08:00 PM
1

As someone who’s had a ons, it was an awful experience. I never did it again. I am however a woman and I don’t think women can enjoy Ons in the same way men can. Love is by far the best feeling in the world imo and I’d be happy never having sex with another man besides my bf in my life. Sure, but someone sleeping with you purely because they find you attractive is pretty validating I would think. In my life, I've very rarely been hit on. The extremely few times it has occurred were all extremely…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 08:55 PM
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I agree, nothing can compare to the euphoria of true love. lol. I don't think that's required tbh. In fact, I can easily see why a random hookup would be more validating than true love sex. That said, I could be wrong, I've never had the former. However, sexual validation/romantic is not the only form of validation out there. For most men, it is. She’s still one of my happiest friends though. She’s got a big family w lots of brothers and sisters, lots of friends and academic achievement. She’s o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:40 AM
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I do too, but that's not the same. Validation comes from being desired, and prostitutes only desire your cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 02:52 AM
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Who cares? I already knew my pain was valid. I didn't need to be told. A starving man doesn't need to be listened to, he needs food.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:50 AM
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I knew the root issue, I was regularly physically rejected. A therapist couldn't change that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:40 AM
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I'm much more physically appealing now than I was then. Why would I blame that? Because I was told that, directly, by multiple women. I was mocked for my appearance several times. It was openly acknowledged by others. My wife, fortunately, is a sapiosexual, and my looks weren't a big deal. Plus, she was very insecure herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:39 AM
1

Hammering on is pointless. Talking doesn't solve problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:35 AM
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I was ugly. No insight was needed. As for coping, that's stupid. Solving the problem is (and was) a much better strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:34 AM
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I don’t expect men to ever fully understand the female experience in the same way other women can. That doesn’t make me depressed though, that’s what female friends/mothers/aunts are for. Lack of understanding didn't make me depressed, either. That’s so so wrong to expect your romantic partner to solve your mental health problems and dump it on them, that’s how relationships end. lol. Imagine believing your partner's needs is problematic. Seek therapy. No need, my marriage is awesome and my need…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:32 AM
0

Your original comment literally insinuated that your lack of romantic relationship is the reason you attempted suicide. And that women didn’t take you seriously enough. Yes, and? What's your point? I was depressed because my needs weren't met. That's not anyone's fault, but no therapist can solve it, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:30 AM
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Like what are you actually asking for here? For women to actually seek to understand men. Nothing more. How is a woman without who’s not a liscenced therapist going to solve that for you? lol. A woman who's not a licensed therapist is MUCH more likely to be able to solve the problems most men have.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:26 AM
1

Never claimed otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:22 AM
1

Which, again, doesn't solve the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:21 AM
0

That's like asking a starving person why she's not satisfied with an eternal spring of water. Talking, opening up, being vulnerable doesn't solve anything. Unlike women, men want to problem solve. Complaining about an unsolvable problem is pointless to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:09 AM
1

Shroomer. Proomer. Broomer. Tumor. Dang it, it's on the tip of my tongue...
/r/PussyPassDenied15/09/22 06:48 PM
79

Man that likes to hike finds out that snake is venomous, man continues hiking but actively avoids snake. Snake is angry. :shocked face:
/r/PussyPassDenied15/09/22 06:42 PM
0

Why is mens mental health solely womens problem? It's not. Men need to learn to open up and be vulnerable to each other like women do. Which wouldn't help anything, because being vulnerable isn't a solution and won't accomplish the purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 06:02 PM
1

1) Being an experienced is not required to have an opinion. 2) Four decades of lived experience as a man who also has many male friends of many diverse backgrounds is at least some level of expertise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 04:34 PM
1

almost always the owner of a brothel was lady woman.
/r/MensRights15/09/22 03:13 PM
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Sorry, I'd list them all, but reddit has a 10,000 character limit.
/r/MensRights15/09/22 02:40 PM
2

It absolutely is. I've heard it myself. This idea is not a myth. Edited to add: Many things get labeled victim blaming. Many of those are not actually victim blaming. However, I have heard comments that legitimately ARE victim blaming.
/r/MensRights15/09/22 02:36 PM
0

If someone rants for two paragraphs claiming the sun is 15 miles away in his uncle's backyard, an extensive rebuttal is neither needed nor appropriate.
/r/MensRights15/09/22 02:21 PM
0

Failed? More like dropped out in 5th grade and learned everything he knows from posters in the bathroom of the smoke shop.
/r/MensRights15/09/22 01:24 PM
2

I think you missed my point. Probably on purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 01:23 PM
1

Depends on what you mean by 'a lot.' Numerically, sure, by percentage, absolutely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 01:22 PM
1

I'm sure you don't. You don't like the answer because it upsets your flawed worldview, so you must find a way to cope with it. The easiest way is to deny its reality. I couldn't care less. Every single word is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 01:21 PM
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I didn't make any claims whatsoever.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/09/22 12:37 AM
1

So if a survey of 9,600,000 was gathered from the US, you'd say that would be too small to have any validity?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 12:07 AM
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You don't know that. You only know what she claims.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/09/22 12:01 AM
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As a teenager, I was lightly mocked several times for just asking a girl out. Once, it was in front of a group when I had the audacity to move from one room to another in an attempt to talk to a girl I liked. Granted, I was pretty ugly. The worst I've ever seen, though, was one I witnessed. My buddy approached a woman and tried to make small talk. No pickup lines or jokes, just casual. The woman's response was, 'no soul, no talk. Gingers are fucking ugly,' and then she turned away. It took him a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:08 PM
1

That was the joke.
/r/AntiFeminists14/09/22 07:38 PM
1

I support someone leaving someone for any reason. Relationships should always be beneficial to your life. If yours is making you unhappy, GTFO. If you can't leave for pragmatic reasons, start making the necessary changes. Sounds like we found common ground. Huzzah! And as I said...my caring is for those who have earned it. Agreed. One of the ways it's earned is by not making excuses. And one of mine is by not being a liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 07:25 PM
1

Then how in the world can you think that this man is the hero of the story? Did I... say that? Could you quote me? I'd be very interested to read where I typed that thing you said I said. I was possibly in a fugue state... How can you think he’s justified in manufacturing meth just because he claims to be doing it for his family? Anything I want to put into my body should be legally allowed. I don't care what it is.
/r/AntiFeminists14/09/22 07:23 PM
0

Me too. Two, actually. One lost everything, including his life. Emotions don't change reality.
/r/AntiFeminists14/09/22 07:11 PM
2

Wrong-o. No such thing as a parasite that's the same species as the host, not to mention the many other biological facts that preclude that assertion. I'm all about removing intruder parasites, though. Watch.
/r/AntiFeminists14/09/22 07:10 PM
1

Alrighty. lol. Thanks for the laugh.
/r/MensRights14/09/22 07:09 PM
1

I agree, women shouldn't complain. Women should leave husbands who don't communicate well, because they were foolish for marrying them to begin with lol Hey, as long as you remain ideologically consistent and advocate for men leaving women that stop having sex with them, I'm perfectly fine with that answer. You're still dancing around the central issue that you will not get to force women to date or fuck men they don't want to date or fuck. You have yet to offer any solution, anyway. This is you…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 07:08 PM
1

Most people avoid suicide by going to therapy where they express their feelings, In extreme cases they call a suicide hotline to (again) express their feelings. Yeah, that's just not true. Most people who want to commit suicide never go to a counselor or therapist of any kind. Not that a therapist can't be helpful, but it's not required for wellness and isn't the reason that most people don't 86 themselves. Most people don't do it because they retain hope that their circumstances will change in …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 07:05 PM
2

Wrong-o. It ain't their body, and I'm tired of everyone pretending it is.
/r/AntiFeminists14/09/22 06:58 PM
3

Again...if it's working as intended, men should stop complaining. Ah, and women should stop complaining about husbands that don't communicate well. Give me a break. And no, I don't need to understand someone else's problem. I don't understand bipolar disorder, but I still support my husband getting treatment. Similarly, he doesn't understand my PCOS but supports me getting treatment. You want to argue that understanding is necessary because you think if I DID understand, my opinion would change.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 06:53 PM
1

People who do drugs are idiots? Yep, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have the right to do them. Yeah, we have nothing in common. Shocking. I’m glad you’re more willing to extend sympathy to the fictitious murdering drug-dealer than his victims. Which victims? I thought I was pretty clear that Walt harming the kid was absolutely unacceptable. Most of his other 'victims,' weren't victims. I'm actually in the process of watching back through the series, so if you want to give me a specific exa…
/r/AntiFeminists14/09/22 06:46 PM
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As someone who attempted suicide when I was young, no, I absolutely do not. Men are able to express their emotions just fine, we simply are not taken seriously when we do, especially when those feelings are expressed to non-familial women. Additionally, when our true feelings are expressed, they are often mocked and labeled rather than being accepted. This messaging begins young, and it's getting worse. Young men see other men express the same things that they are feeling and see what happens wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 06:41 PM
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Can't have it both ways. Here I am expressing concern for men's mental health, and you're rejecting that it's a problem at all. No, what you are doing is labeling basic biology as toxic and then advocating that men change it. May as well be arguing that we should turn the sky purple. If you were truly concerned about men's health, you'd advocate for understanding them first, and then advocating for practical ways that they could fulfill their biological drives. It's like if I were saying that ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 06:32 PM
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He said, 'most women get pregnant deliberately.' In order to disprove that, you'd need to show that most women do NOT get pregnant intentionally. Keep in mind, he didn't speak about pregnancies, he said 'women.' So far, you've not done anything close to that. Are we arguing beside each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 06:10 PM
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You're claiming that 75% of women never get pregnant intentionally? *doubt*
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 06:06 PM
1

Because that's how reproduction works throughout the entire animal kingdom. It's not about health, it's about desperation. Why would a male praying mantis voluntarily die for sex? That's really unhealthy! What about Kalutas? Why would they ever mate if health mattered? Antechinus? Redback Spiders? Phascogale? The list goes on. The difference is that we don't care about the mental health of an animal that can't get laid whereas we (supposedly) care about men's mental health. I say supposedly beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 06:04 PM
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Hear me out here, 'most' means more than half. You claim 45% of pregnancies are unplanned, which inherently means 55% are planned. 55% is, if my math checks out, more than half. Ergo, the statement 'most women get pregnant deliberately' is factual. Check, check, check. Logical syllogism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 05:54 PM
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Just because you cannot relate to something does not mean that that something is in any way unhealthy. It's like a man saying that women feeling good when there is open, quality communication between them and their spouse is unhealthy. I mean, after all, many men don't care about that and can do without it, while women who have an uncommunicative spouse report high levels of dissatisfaction within intimate relationships. Considering that such interactions increase the odds of a continued relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 05:51 PM
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Walt is a human being, which is to say that he is deeply flawed. HOWEVER, his major failures don't arise until WAY after Skyler mistreats him. Poisoning the kid is irredeemable. However, prior to that, Walt pretty much just does what he needs to in order to survive. The show, at it's core, is about a man betrayed by both life and people. He gets screwed out of a company built on his genius, then gets screwed out of his health by cancer, then is repeatedly backstabbed and stolen from and threaten…
/r/AntiFeminists14/09/22 05:32 PM
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No, they aren't. However, a couple hundred thousand are gaining it, so that's pretty cool.
/r/AntiFeminists14/09/22 05:23 PM
2

She's terrible, yes, but she's not the worst. I'd post who I believe is the worst, but I'd probably be tracked down and shot by the reddit mob.
/r/AntiFeminists14/09/22 05:15 PM
2

Well by definition right wing means supporting the authority / king / ruling class / elite No. It comes to mean that the left stands for equality and not respecting authority. Definitely no. Censorship is authority applied to free speech so is right wing. Not all opinions are equal and the rulers have better rights and must impose their will for the good of society - a right wing view. Shockingly... no. Wow, there's just so much wrong in there that it's difficult to understand how it could have …
/r/MensRights14/09/22 05:13 PM
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That's... difficult to believe. There's nothing wrong with strong female characters, and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. EVERYONE loves Sarah Connor in T1/T2. That's different than today's strong female characters, which are largely two dimensional and written only to one up every male in her sphere.
/r/MensRights14/09/22 05:10 PM
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I think that's a minority opinion, for sure. Redheaded men are notoriously undesirable. Have been for a long time. I mean, heck, just look at major motion pictures. In movies (not cartoons or animated films), can you name a single movie where the primary love interest is a redheaded man? One? I doubt it. That's because women, as a whole, just aren't attracted to redheads. I've had this conversation with my buddy enough times to realize he's right. As another example, for many years sperm banks h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 07:52 PM
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Not a chance. My best friend is a great dude, funny, loyal, 5'11, pretty good facially, but he has red hair. The number of times he's been rejected for that is unbelievable. He's been rejected by proxy even. I've tried to hook him up multiple times, but as soon as I mention red hair, women shut me down. So, no, I don't agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 07:33 PM
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So your view is that in order to be agreeable/submissive, a person must say yes to every single proposal ever given? more likely to not be able to say no. Not be able to? So this person has no agency? None at all? Couple that with societal factors like the normalization of casual sex and sex before marriage - it's pretty unusual to wait until marriage these days if you're not religious. It's also unusual to be a millionaire, but that doesn't mean it's undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 07:29 PM
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I'm asking why you aren't willing to engage with someone who has a viewpoint opposite yours? My personal experiences aren't what demolish your point, it's the idea itself that did the work. Saying no is a perfectly valid option, and your dismissal of it is unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 07:17 PM
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I've turned down 4 women in my life. Two before marriage, two after. None of them were supermodels. I notice your quick exit after your point was demolished.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 06:51 PM
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Yeah expecting a young woman not to cave in a hypersexualized, pro-promiscurity culture is like expecting a young man to say no to a naked supermodel sprawled out on his bed. Sounds like your teenage years were very different than mine. I never had that happen, not even once. Young women aren't anymore resistant to impulses than the men of the same age. This belief seems to hold very young women to a much higher standard than their male counterparts. Young men can say no, too. I did. I've been w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 06:43 PM
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Order and scale: 2 Grand Canyon sized gap. 3 The distance from Earth to the Sun 1 I'm willing to provide the reasons, if asked, but they seem so obvious to me that I don't see the need to do so upfront.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:24 PM
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I don't believe that is true within the context of marriage. Pleading, sure, bargaining, yes, but coercion? Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:03 PM
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Ah yes, a classic. Rape only counts if it's not the thing women do. Misandry is gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:54 PM
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Honestly? I would actually say it's probably pretty close to 50/50. Men are certainly more likely to do so with physical force, but women use their words to manipulate men who don't want sex into doing so. I understand that the natural urge is to defend women at all costs, even from themselves, but reality is that there are crappy people of both genders. Lots of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:39 PM
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You're clearly wrong, unless you are also positing that young and hot is inherently tied to being an idiot. Add in submission and agreeableness, chances they're going to end up with the wrong person because they will say yes to one of the guys swarming her, who is only pretending to be nice or interested in the same things as her due to wanting her body. The only way she ends up saying 'yes' to the wrong guy is if she's an idiot. She simply needs to wait until he commits (marriage) before choosi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:34 PM
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Of course I’m sure the laws in place legalising marital rape were there to protect women. You know that married men can be raped, too, right? ...right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:14 PM
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You could, but it's an extremely compelling theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 12:51 PM
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men who view bad outcomes as inevitable are like...losers right? like is there any other scenario where its okay for a man to surrender to destruction and he isn't a bitch. you're getting cucked out of life. by death. Well, I'm an MD who retired early that's been married for almost two decades with two extremely bright kids. If that makes me a cucked bitch... okay? i dont really think the political rifts are all that bad. ppl disagree, thats cool. i just think the extremism and trump type folks …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 12:47 PM
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You should read a book called 'The Fourth Turning' by Howe and Strauss. Regardless, you can mock me all you want, I don't care. Mocking isn't a good way to change someone's view.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 12:38 PM
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Do you come here for entertainment because it'll eventually get engagement from entitled young men? Do you enjoy the process of disproving their delusions? I like to debate, and I like to call out blatant misandry like that. The most delusional, entitled people I see here are (usually) women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:44 AM
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its not a war overseas its literally on your doorstep. your saying society is going to collapse like its no big deal, what the fuck? hahaha Huge deal, but I view it as inevitable. well i think generally humans are pretty good at solving problems when we pull together and apply some innovation so im in favor of doing that Explain how. Seriously, how do we solve our political rifts?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:32 AM
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Denial of reality is pretty idiotic, in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:27 AM
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I don't believe that we can save society. We are headed towards inevitable destruction. The social divide we've created is simply too wide to heal. I'm not sure what form it will take, civil war, regular war, or literal societal collapse, but what else can happen? Serious question. I'd surrender to no one, but I've no interest in fighting a war overseas. Do you under that metaphor?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:26 AM
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It's primarily an acknowledgement of the reality that society is already beyond saving. We can affect ourselves and our communities in some ways, but society as a whole is completely screwed. It's rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. I still support it, I still did my part, but I understand why others don't bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:20 AM
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For me personally, no. Once she's been in a hoe phase, there's no coming back. The ship has already sunk. That said, I'm married and not in the market, so my opinion is probably irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 11:07 PM
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Just because a freedom exists (and should) doesn't mean it will be (or should be) commonly accepted. It's not anyone's job to change society. I'll fight to the death to protect people's right to say heinous things, but I'll mock them relentlessly for those awful things. (I don't support mocking people for how they dress, I'm simply trying to explain.)
/r/MensRights11/09/22 10:34 PM
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First, we take responsibility for our fellow men. Then, we are allies to the women. Then, and only then, can we truly ask for change from the bad women out there, otherwise we come across as whiny man-children. Absolutely not. This paragraph is why you deserve every downvote. It's not our job to 'take responsibility for our fellow men.' If you want us to call out evil first, yes, I agree, but we should call out ALL evil, not just the evils committed by men. We should not be 'allies to the women,…
/r/MensRights11/09/22 09:21 PM
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Sounds great. I'll continue advocating in favor of equality and the fair treatment of men, and you keep voting to empower people who hate you and your son and want them to be legally debased. Perfect ending.
/r/MensRights10/09/22 02:48 AM
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I grew up in SW Chicago, desperately poor. Until I was about ten, I rarely knew if I'd actually get to eat dinner any particular day, and school was my only truly consist food. We washed clothes at a local shelter, and those clothes were 100% donated. It sounds like you don't know much about anything.
/r/MensRights10/09/22 02:42 AM
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lol you’re trying to convince me I’m wrong for making the choices that keep my children well fed and my house warm in the winter. Wrong on two counts. First, I'm not trying to convince you at all. Sheep don't sheer themselves. I'm trying to convince the other people reading this thread. Second, if I were also trying to convince you, I'd be attempting to show you that you can achieve greater heights on your own merits than when you depend on a daddy to help you. Yes feminism hurts my son, but not…
/r/MensRights10/09/22 02:35 AM
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Yes, you are. It's fine. Every society has sheep. Yelling at them won't change their nature.
/r/MensRights10/09/22 02:26 AM
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I'm fine with collective bargaining. Absolutely fine. What I'm not fine with is mandatory union participation. Ideas so good they must be mandatory is a longtime Democratic ideation.
/r/MensRights10/09/22 02:19 AM
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True, but I know a LOT about unions and, with extremely rare exception, think they should fuck off. Anyway, you won't be convinced by an internet stranger. You'll keep voting for the enemy. Sheep always do.
/r/MensRights10/09/22 02:15 AM
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Bullshit. YOU are the reason you are able to provide a good life for them. YOU. And you'd be able to provide an even better one if the union wasn't squeezing you for cash.
/r/MensRights10/09/22 02:07 AM
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lol. They are evil, but they are Dr. Doofenshmirtz evil compared to Democrats.
/r/MensRights10/09/22 02:00 AM
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Vote against what will ruin your children's lives, not help your stupid union. Unions are just fundraising arms of the misandristic Democrat party. So fine, don't vote Republican, they suck, but don't vote for people who literally hate you.
/r/MensRights10/09/22 01:59 AM
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No, you don't get it. Fat is controllable, ugly isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:07 AM
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Nope, you missed the point there and so do others in the manosphere. It was never about be a nice guy and simp women, it was about be a decent man and you will get a relationship. Which, many found, was a load of BS. Being a decent man, today, is not enough. It wasn't then, either, but it really isn't now. 2000ies was misogynistic and toxic af. Women were super objectified and men (not all but too many, like on the daily) acted entitled. Catcalling, name calling, creepy ways of trying to get a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:22 PM
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The opposite. A man who truly follows RP long term is ideal marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:03 PM
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I believe in love. I've been in love for a long time and don't see any reason that should change going forward. That doesn't change or have anything to do with my views on the current state of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 12:57 PM
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Oh yeah, I vaguely remember that. No bueno.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 07:48 PM
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Yep, there definitely are, I'm not denying it. Everyone is attractive to someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:22 PM
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I should have said, 'to me.' Obesity is a mood killer for me. Always has been, always will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:15 PM
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Examples?
/r/MensRights06/09/22 07:08 PM
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It's not about disagreeing, it's about respecting property and respecting people. If I'm on someone else's property and disrupting an event others are benefiting from and they tell me to leave and I refuse, yeah, anything that happens next is my fault. Clearly. lol
/r/PussyPassDenied06/09/22 06:49 PM
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Instead, when a pupil is disruptive, call their parents and they ALONE handle their kid. So... just screw all the kids that weren't being disruptive? Just... go to hell? Involving the police in the classroom is one of the most disgusting practices I've ever seen. Can you imagine the trauma that little girl and everyone else in the classroom felt? I often felt traumatised in class as a kid, but it was by those disruptive kids. I guess you couldn't care less about kids like me? For everyone seeing…
/r/PussyPassDenied06/09/22 06:38 PM
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It's toxic, and denial of that fact is gaslighting.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 06:35 PM
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Not remotely, I just have a very different worldview than you. I don't believe in proportional force, I believe in solving the problem as fast as possible. This chick disrupts class. Proportional force takes 15 minutes to resolve, this action takes 2. That's 13 minutes saved for all the students who weren't being disruptive. Call me names all you want if it makes you feel better about your pussy worldview, but don't think for a second it has anything to do with you being intellectually superior.
/r/PussyPassDenied06/09/22 06:26 PM
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Huh? It matters a lot. A fat ass on an obese women is not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 06:22 PM
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That when involved in active dialogue, men are significantly better listeners than women. Men hear what is said. Women interpret what was said, and often with a significant amount of personal bias thrown in.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 06:20 PM
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So what's the student, exactly? A role model? You disrupt class, you get asked to leave. You refuse, you get made to leave. Pretty simple.
/r/PussyPassDenied06/09/22 06:17 PM
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And probably illegal Nah, some people are into it. Lots of kinks out there. Mine is fife and drum napkin rings, personally, but I'm vanilla.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 01:37 PM
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Good cop, but bad example. He got fired, so... pass was reinstated.
/r/PussyPassDenied06/09/22 01:10 PM
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Using gendered language towards prostitution shows how callously people view men. Even the OP is passively suggesting that male prostitutes don't count. That's all wrapped up within my point.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 01:08 PM
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If changing genders ever becomes as legally simple as ticking a box, I'll switch genders (legally) immediately. The advantages for women are simply too great to pass up.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 01:03 PM
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Where prostitution is legal and above board, and the woman has control over her own "business", both parties have something to gain from it (financial gains for her, sexual gratification for him) and neither is exploiting the other. Unfortunately in cases of forced prostitution and human trafficking, the female definitely is being exploited. So, in your mind, male prostitutes don't exist? Fascinating. I don't exactly have the facts and figures to back myself up here, but I would hazard a guess t…
/r/MensRights06/09/22 12:50 PM
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-If a guy sleeps with many girls, he is a winner, if a girl sleeps with many guys, she is a slut. This is society, and it's rational. Women sleeping with many men is easy. Men sleeping with women is extremely difficult. Society rewards difficult to achieve things over easy to achieve things, and always has. This isn't an issue, it's an attempt to deny reality. -Women are more pressured to look beatiful. Why do you think they do all their makeup everyday ? Whenever I got a new girlfriend first qu…
/r/MensRights06/09/22 12:39 PM
1

So which part are you calling a lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 12:21 PM
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Yeah, I agree with that, too, but I don't view 'drain your bank account' and 'stay at home mom' as synonyms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 12:16 PM
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We may define conservative differently. Most conservative women I know want to move to an acreage, raise the kids and some chickens. Stay at home moms for sure, but wise ones that only spend what's necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 12:06 PM
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I got banned from AskFeminists for saying that misandry existed.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 03:08 AM
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From experience, an actual conservative woman won't (usually) drain your bank account. Other than that, I agree with your entire post and did everything you suggested. 9.8/10, would recommend.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:58 AM
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Done. My apologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 06:40 PM
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Male here. My wife isn't a feminist and I would never have dated one. We both find equality far too important to choose a partner who is not invested in that goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 06:39 PM
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No, absolutely not. I'm in favor of true equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 06:08 PM
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He's a man. Even if the law exists, who would enforce it against women? No one, that's who.
/r/MensRights05/09/22 05:02 PM
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Not at all. Like me, my wife finds actual equality extremely important.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:59 PM
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I've seen crap like that a lot. I've also seen it work A LOT. It's one of those, 'it ain't stupid if it works' kinda things I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:51 PM
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Never found this to be true at all as an adult. Must be the crowds you run in.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 03:05 AM
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It's fine. I was momentarily an illiterate moron. No harm done.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:38 AM
2

Yeah, that's because when men attempt to organize, we get called incels and violent extremists. Back your racist bullshit right out the door, I'm black. Fuck off with that BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:36 AM
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don’t believe that whether knowledge was acquired accidentally or intentionally somehow changes the quality or the benefits of the knowledge added. True, but it's relevant when you are giving advice to others. I've read, studied, and lived alongside a woman for my entire adult life. That's what I've done.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:33 AM
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Men either produce or die lonely. Women can do whatever they want and will be given handouts to maximize their individual potential to do so. If they want to do nothing, thru also have that choice. So... no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:25 AM
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Cool story. Still waiting for the marches to make it a crime for women to rape men. When is that scheduled for?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:14 AM
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Yes, and far better and more efficiently than you, I'd wager. You recommended SPECIFIC books be read for the EXPLICIT purpose of better understanding women. My question is: What SPECIFIC actions have you taken for the EXPLICIT PURPOSE of better understanding men? What have you done INTENTIONALLY rather than as a happy accident of your reading habit? Your response to this will evidence whether or not you can read.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:09 AM
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Fair. Terrible phrasing. I was referring to a subset and was wildly hyperbolic. I rescind and submit for substitution: Men still can't be legally raped by ANY woman in most places.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:05 AM
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You copied and pasted a non answer. You recommended specific action to men. I'm asking what specific actions you've taken. Don't be lazy, answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:56 AM
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So... you're admitting my position is accurate. Thank you. If I'm forced to penetrate my wife, by definition, I wasn't raped. Back to my original statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:48 AM
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Wrong. You are wrong. Look it up. Do the research. It's incredible how many places where female on male rape cannot occur from a prosecutorial perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:43 AM
2

Which literature have you intentionally consumed for the express purpose of better understanding and relating to the male experience? Posts like this tack on 'goes both ways' even though there's no intention whatsoever to encourage women to improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:40 AM
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Women literally couldn't be legally raped by their husband in every state until 1976. It wasn't federally illegal until 1993. Men still can't be legally raped by ANYONE in most places. So take that outrage and work to give men what you're already privileged to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:35 AM
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People who value living in reality? I dunno. Co-opting language is for losers.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 04:08 PM
1

Still no. Antichristian, perhaps. Faux-christian.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 03:56 PM
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Absolutely. I grew up in an amazing Christian church that was supportive, pro lgbt, No, you didn't. You grew up in something, but it wasn't a Christian church. No Christian glorifies sin.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 03:42 PM
1

More self reported 'attempts.' It's cool to have tried, so more women say they have, nothing more.
/r/MensRights03/09/22 10:11 PM
1

We don't take people off life support when they are improving, which is what a child in utero is doing. Your comparison is tired, and it's neither logically nor functionally equivalent. Reply or don't, I couldn't care less. Killing a child is wrong.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 08:43 PM
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Because it's unrelated to abortion. This will be my last reply unless you get back on topic.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 08:11 PM
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Not playing your game. Bring it back on topic or find a different poster.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 08:09 PM
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We're talking about abortion, not life support. Any body that can ever, under any circumstances, regain consciousness, should remain on life support.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 08:04 PM
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Make your argument or don't. I've made mine. Hypotheticals that don't connect to abortion at all bore me.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 08:00 PM
1

The individual's wishes and who is paying would be the big two, to me.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 07:58 PM
1

I said probably. I think there are many, many variables.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 07:54 PM
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Probably. But it's irrelevant to abortion, because that person IS NOT brain dead. Their brain is developing and getting better day by day.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 07:51 PM
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Then there's a rational conversation to be had. When it comes to abortion, that's an extreme minority situation.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 07:44 PM
2

Depends on many factors, the most important is: will time lead to inevitable improvement? If it will, then no, they shouldn't be taken off.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 01:17 PM
1

No, but I'd definitely give them the 'right' to not be murdered.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 06:08 AM
3

A chunk of torn flesh is not a human being, it is human tissue that's actively dying. It's in no way comparable.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 01:50 AM
0

Yes, I am. I am opposed to killing innocent human beings in any situation where they can otherwise be saved from death.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 01:48 AM
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People who want to define which human beings count as human and which ones are okay to exterminate are not reasonable people and are rarely viewed favorably in a historical context.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 01:47 AM
2

Being a single mother is the hardest job in the world! Weird, because being a stay at home dad is easy as fuck. No /s
/r/MensRights30/08/22 01:29 AM
5

You can 'not consider the sky to be blue,' but that would have no bearing on that, either. Your factually incorrect considerations are irrelevant.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 01:28 AM
0

Oh no, child support isn't stolen. The right to abort isn't the right to refuse parenthood, Wrong. it's just a woman's body so she gets the choice to abort. Wrong again. Her body remains living afterwards. The child's body doesn't.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 01:26 AM
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When you say bad skin, do you mean acne? If so, would you mind if I send you a DM?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 03:49 PM
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1) The small minority are highly educated, successful, focused, usually fit, and less agreeable than average. 2) The majority are formerly average looking women who played the field during their reproductive years but who got burned out on that lifestyle and then pretty much let themselves go physically. I'd say the average BMI in the group is 27-30.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 03:48 PM
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Yes, which is exactly why I said what I said. Most women oppose true equality. They will give lip service to it in situations where there's no cost to women, but oppose it when there is. That's why SS is such a valuable tool to separate allies from liars.
/r/MensRights29/08/22 02:37 PM
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I agree. That doesn't change what I said.
/r/MensRights29/08/22 02:21 PM
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Selective service is too valuable as a scouting tool to do that. It's absolutely the lowest on the pro-equality priority list in the US, and it serves as a valuable tool to distinguish women who call themselves feminists and claim to be truly pro-equality from women who actually are pro-equality.
/r/MensRights29/08/22 02:19 AM
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Sounds... even worse? It's all about what each individual specifically values.
/r/MensRights28/08/22 07:27 PM
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Radical taxes, unfortunately, among other horrendous things.
/r/MensRights28/08/22 05:27 PM
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It's way mote than marginally. Tradcons have 80% RP overlap.
/r/MensRights27/08/22 04:15 PM
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That's exactly my point. The desire exists independent from the alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:02 PM
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That's also fine. Public airing of their idiotic opinions provides a public space to refute them AND increases intragroup bonds.
/r/MensRights24/08/22 09:29 PM
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I know how to communicate, and 'Rule #3' doesn't help unless both partners participate. During conflict, that's rare. Sure, she gave plenty of excuses. What it boiled down to was, she didn't want to. Her sexual needs were fulfilled, and life was busy, so I should just be satisfied with what I got, regardless of whether or not it was enough to fulfill my needs. It's the same excuses every woman has ever given, no time, the kids are exhausting (even though I was the stay home parent for quite some…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 06:33 PM
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I'll continue to dialogue here as soon as I see the rules for women. Until then, I'm out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:52 PM
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it is not a "bait and switch" it is the natural ebbs and flows of sex in a long term relationship. So if a man is a great communicator and a quality partner (splits household duties) before marriage, but then after marriage refuses to talk to his wife kindly and stops doing any housework, would it be fair to say that it's just a 'natural ebb and flow' and that she can't rightfully call it a bait and switch? Give me a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:50 PM
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A friend was complaining about a complete lack of BJs from his wife a few weeks ago. A few of the other men agreed and they were all complaining about a "bait and switch", in that their then girlfriends seemed to enthusiastically participate in oral sex, and other sex acts, yet once married both BJs and frequency of sex died down. Yep, absolutely. Especially oral, but both died down significantly a year or so into marriage. Before that, my wife's libido was at least equal to mine, perhaps even g…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:42 PM
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There's stuff to talk about in there, but if you aren't interested in equality, I'm not interested in bothering.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:37 PM
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No, it's not. It's a lie. Basic communication skills are about dealing within reality. They are about dealing with facts. Facts aren't the only things that matter, but they always matter. Anyone who advocates pretending that they don't isn't interested in communication, they are interested in shadow boxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:09 PM
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Most of the people labeled as incels are just people with beliefs that differ from the feminist rhetoric. Most of the people who actually are incels are just frustrated young men who have allowed OLD to completely cloud their view of reality. They have some reasonable and rational complaints, but those complaints have been exaggerated by their time within various echo chambers. If given the right opportunity, they'd happily renounce most of the things they've ever said online in exchange for tim…
/r/MensRights24/08/22 04:59 PM
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That's the part that absolutely baffles me. How is it that one sex magically loses their ability to consent when they are drunk, but the other gender does not?
/r/AntiFeminists24/08/22 04:51 PM
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I'm not even close to a troll. I love healthy dialogue and even debate, I just find your rules to be astoundingly misandristic, especially rule #3. In order to follow rule #3, I need to debase myself as a person and sacrifice everything that I value about who I am. I must pretend that that way of arguing is anything except insane and inappropriate. I must lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:49 PM
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I figured. Wouldn't want to actually practice equality. Too much cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:42 PM
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To be actively sexually desired from the get-go, you are absolutely correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:13 PM
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Oh man, I can't wait to see your rules for women. Outta be hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:12 PM
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You went on to talk about the proposed 'rule' rather than the idea of saying it and being able to then call women who objected idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 03:11 PM
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I asked: so if I posted rules for women that went against their nature and that were inherently offensive (such as, perhaps, 'put out any time your partner wants') I'd be justified in calling all the angry women 'complete idiots?'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 02:53 PM
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I personally don't think any woman owes every man the exact same experiences as previous partners and men with that view are incompatible with me. Feeling comfortable and operating within your boundaries in paramount. I don't believe that, either. I'm simply saying that she'll have better results that way. I agree desire should be expressed as it's important in relationships for both parties but once again balanced with many other aspects. Being realistic is important - if you are a 60 year old …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 02:44 PM
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That's not what I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 02:42 PM
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What sad entertainment, indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 02:33 PM
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On the first and second point you conceded. If that helps you sleep better, sure. If you would prefer to dwell in reality, no. You can determine that my third point makes sense as you have noted that timing and maturity matters. It's relevant logically, but irrelevant in reality. My initial point was that the choice will follow a relationship for life. That point stands firm. Your advice is not useful after a woman has already had sex on the first date and cannot undo that choice - if she recogn…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 02:29 PM
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My hope was that not every man on this sub was a complete idiot and that they'd see how rukrz like the ones I listed would make their lives so much easier. Ah, so if I posted rules for women that went against their nature and that were inherently offensive (such as, perhaps, 'put out any time your partner wants') I'd be justified in calling all the angry women 'complete idiots?' That would make sense to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 02:10 PM
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You are missing the point which is that you'll never 100% know someone's true desire and what drives their motivations. You can guess. True, but willingness for sex is proof of at least some type of desire. Lack of sex is proof of nothing. If sex is present in one interaction but not another, the only proof is in the former. That's better than nothing in terms of comparison. You acknowledge my flaw in your argument which is timing and maturity matters great. I don't care how men feel about this …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 02:08 PM
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The woman has a different set of rules. These are just the rules for men. Of course. Women always play by a different set of rules. I did plan to do another post with the rules for women, but most peole responding seemed to hate these rules so now I'm not bothered. I'm not surprised. I do somewhat doubt that you would have done that anyway, though. My hope was that some people would see why rules like this can be useful, and ask for deeper explanations. Your hope was that you could write some ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 01:58 PM
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Contrary opinions are a good thing. Echo chambers are dangerous.
/r/MensRights24/08/22 01:50 PM
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I don't think you understand my question. Basic communication relies on honest communication and it's unlikely every woman will give a detailed accounted upfront. How many girls have you asked their n-count, the circumstances and could verify the accuracy? Liars lie. But it's the only realistic way to attempt to assess. If they are avoidant, you will probably be able to pick up on the general truth. I've asked one. I believed her. Then, later, I married her. Your view is mostly held by emotional…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 01:48 PM
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So... what is the role of a woman in all this? Should she, for example, learn how to argue with a man? In other words, keep it logical, factual, and about one topic? Why is the onus on men to change?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 01:21 PM
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I meant people to broadly to refer to the broad spectrum of gender identity from men, non-binary etc. So... people. No need to say anything else. Sure you can get drunk with a girl but how in the first place will you know how she treated every guy before you? How will you know she has genuine desire? How will you know her n count? How do you know what she was like at 18 vs 28? Well, you'd ask. Basic communication is required. If something matters to you in a partner, you need to ask about it. Jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 01:09 PM
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You fundamentally don’t get how women and people think - as it’s not a monolith. You seem to lack nuance and want an easy generalisation. Women... and people? Are women not people? People aren't a monolith, but short of discussing specific people by name, generalizations that hold true for many are the only logical way to have discussions online between strangers. Surely you understand that? You can never 100% know whether it’s your inability to create desire or whether it’s just that she grown …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:40 PM
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I think it's you who don't get it. If you break it down to a hyper specific scenario where a person goes from an active alcoholic to a completely sober person, sure, fine. However, for most cases, when you compare 1:1, my argument holds. If she'll put out for Tyrone during the first interaction in some scenario, but won't put out for you in the first (or second, or third) interaction in the same scenario, you are clearly a lesser to her from an attraction standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 11:40 AM
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Then you aren't actually arguing against my point. If you go out drinking with her, and she still rejects you drunk, Tyrone once again created a desire you didn't. Your argument is not strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:59 AM
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I never mention rape simply highlighted that your point had holes. Have you heard of nuance? Nice backtrack. Undesired sex is rape. Your rebuttal is either about rape or it's no rebuttal at all. Ever heard of logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:06 AM
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You are disgusting. You're projecting. I also never spoke about any body count and simple stated that a girl may have sex with what you term a "tyrone" but it could have nothing to do with him creating sexual desire. If she didn't desire it, it was rape. Try again. Your hatred, anger and lack of empathy towards women seeps out of you. Huh? None of that is remotely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:02 AM
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Ahhh, the classic rape defense. No one is buying that 'yeah, my body count is 20, but I was raped every time.'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 09:53 AM
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Then let's go out drinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 09:35 AM
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Your burden, your proof. You specifically said r/menhatersunite calls out misandry. Let's see it. Edits, oops, autocorrect strikes again. I meant r/twoxchromosomes
/r/MensRights21/08/22 11:43 PM
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I.e. men just want to feel loved No, wanted. Desired. Lusted for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 12:28 PM
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1) Reddit sucks. 2) Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 12:26 PM
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Posts photo of wife.
/r/MensRights21/08/22 12:59 AM
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An expert, or ones I'd give advice on? I needn't be an 'expert' to give quality advice, depending on context. I'd give marriage and relationship advice, for example, but am I an expert? Who knows?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 10:57 PM
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As I said, you clearly are intensely biased and show a significant amount of hubris.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 10:08 PM
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I remain unconvinced. I'm sure he did give bad advice, but I'm sure he also gave good advice. You know, like most people. Your bias against him is dripping from your post and makes it unlikely you can judge objectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 09:38 PM
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I doubt that. I find it much more likely that you just didn't like his advice, so you labeled it wrong. I doubt he was right about everything, who is, but I'll bet he gave more good advice than bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 12:59 PM
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I wish more guys knew that. We wish more women knew that men think exactly the opposite way. We want desire above (almost) all else. Anyway I think the solution here for girls (to avoid their man doubting our sexual attraction for them) is to not discuss how quickly you banged a Chad or Tyrone with your boyfriend as it doesn’t do anything for the relationship. If that's your takeaway, you may be in for difficulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 12:57 PM
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Honestly as a reasonably intelligent person, the amount of actual useful advice I have received over my lifetime is minimal. Doubtful. My experience is that most people label advice they don't like as unhelpful, regardless of how wise it may be.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 01:47 AM
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If Tyrone gets it day one, she's acknowledged he's created a sexual desire in her that is greater than her good sense. Meanwhile, if she's capable of withholding from you, you clearly aren't creating that same level of desire. That truth will follow the relationship forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 01:32 AM
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And we're 1.2 - 3.3% genetically dissimilar from apes. 2% is huge. You're radically underestimating the impacts of those differences.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 01:28 AM
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I was making an X vs Y joke in terms of the actual letters. If you don't think they are that different, you're blind.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:19 AM
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25% is a huge difference.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 11:46 PM
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Explain where you think these major differences are if you're so confident? That second X is pretty damn different.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 11:12 PM
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That is a pretty deep blue take.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 09:00 PM
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Nope, this ain't it. Lots of ways to spice things up, and successful marriages do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 08:36 PM
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It's genetic. Our biological urge is to pass on our genes, which is why all animals participate in various mating displays. The end goal of existence is pass on ourselves. To be rejected at that base level is, biologically, a worthless existence. Fight it all you want, but it's inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 07:43 PM
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