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I don't understand where the "Men must work but also do the work at home" is just agreed upon. We are far more technologically advanced than the past, which mitigated most of the household chores. If you can't keep a place generally clean with 2-3 hours of work a day, if that, in 2024, then I don't know wtf you're doing. Looking after kids? Yeah, for the first few years it's hard but the role gets incredibly easy incredibly quick after the first years, where the kids are in the education system …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:48 AM
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I just laugh at the idea people have of "Trad relationships". There's no such thing in the modern Western world, technology has made it impossible. A woman staying at home looking after a kid isn't the only responsibility women had in the past, and the "Trad" roles are way easier for women in the modern day due to our technological advancement. Like, back in the day those roles would be an actual commitment for women to uphold, they would be doing things constantly. Today, being a SAHM? You're l…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:35 AM
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Conservatives are more likely and are more married than Left Wingers. Left Wingers also have higher reports of commitment issues and issues of infidelity. They also report lower sexual satisfaction. This idea that Conservatives aren't doing relationships is a fantasy you have, one that's the complete opposite. The Conservatives have what you're trying to portray Lefties as having, and the Lefties have it to a far lesser degree. Christ, when I read up more on this, the more I am 100% sure that if…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:28 AM
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Ya. I don't think you understand that it doesn't matter. Women have 100% appropriated this matter and gaslit everyone in to believing men just cruise around in safety when it's the complete opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:43 AM
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Not at all, this topic is brought up by many, and many agree. I just have a debate style that benefits me more than most. Even if I was, being alone in something doesn't dictate it's validity. Best of luck to you too, and take care.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:43 AM
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I know you aren't, which is why we fundamentally disagree. You don't think such a dynamic can be measured across lines of morality, I do. I believe what you do with agency is what determines if you're a moral person or not. It seems you have other opinions, which is fine, we just disagree in a way that can't be agreed on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:39 AM
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In that case, thanks for answering my question. I simply disagree and our moral foundations are different. I think if men created a standard that they gatekeep relationships behind sex on the first date so they can take from women and then simply disregard them for easy and free sex with women who are hoping for romance, that's wrong and shouldn't be justified. If you feel like that would be acceptable, I just disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:32 AM
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I feel like you avoided my question. If this became the "norm" for women to the point men expected this more often than not and those that didn't meet that expectation were looked down upon as dating prospects, would you say that's okay and not in need of adjustment?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:25 AM
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Are you saying such a dating standard would be morally fine for men to uphold? That women should just get over it if so?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:23 AM
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There it is, the shaming tactic. If men who don't want to pay for you are stingy, then you're basically hobo levels for not wanting to even pay for yourself. Ew. A hobo-sis.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:22 AM
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You didn't answer my question, you just said one has worse consequences of the other. This is like saying, "Is having your finger cut off immoral if having your hand cut off is even more immoral" to avoid the question if having any part of you cut off is immoral or not. I need my question answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:21 AM
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If 9/10 men didn't date a woman that didn't sleep with them on the first date, would there be room for criticism on men's expectations or would the correct response be "Well just don't sleep with them?" as more and more women sleep with men on the first date, even if they wish they didn't have to, in order to find a relationship, meanwhile the women who chose not to have a significantly smaller dating pool to choose from, most of which would be men that wouldn't be considered even averagely attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:51 PM
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I'm fine with a compromise of letting women who's lives are on the line get abortions, but that's <1%. It's you that doesn't care about those women because you only seek to use them to justify abortions for women who's pregnancy isn't life threatening. That's fine, that area of attack doesn't work with me. I'm in a relationship, conventionally attractive, in the best shape of my life, my own place, etc, etc. You're going to have to get to terms that people you disagree with can do just fine in l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:48 PM
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It can be and it can't be. So with this answered, let's revisit my question, "Would you think it would be right for women that aren't asexual to take issue with the dynamic I explained and that having it changed would be justified?"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 03:51 PM
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Okay, then let me adjust. Would you think it would be right for women that aren't asexual to take issue with the dynamic I explained and that having it changed would be justified?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 03:33 PM
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I think you misunderstood my question. I'm not talking about men being upfront, I'm saying if it became so frequent that it became assured that 9/10 men would expect this, and as a result your dating chances plummeted to the point you'd be seen as below average in the dating pool solely because you won't have sex on the first date, to which your dating mates would most likely be other people below average, and for this to change you'd have to start sleeping with men on the first date like they g…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 03:25 PM
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Men have, when they were forced to fight, kill, and die against their will, having all of their human rights revoked, in times of war. Roe v Wade doesn't hold a candle to that. Women who die from childbirth are <1% of women. This idea that if women can't get abortions they'll all drop like flies is such a weird and easily proven lie that I don't get why the attempt to make the argument even exists today. With a Google search that takes 20 seconds, it can be disproven. The autonomy argument only …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 03:22 PM
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You didn't ask first, the thread is right there for us to see that. Again, this isn't a negotiation, I don't know if you're trying to tell mistruths in order to convince others here who may not have been part of the conversation but it would be irrelevant where they land on it, we know who asked what first, and we know you didn't answer to it before asking your question. There is no scenario here where I pretend you didn't avoid my question before asking your own, I need you to understand that. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 03:11 PM
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Exactly this. It's just sexism with a few more steps to ensure the sexist conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:57 PM
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I can only speak to my own experience that women will cold approach or intentionally introduce themselves in indirect yet clear ways they're interested. It's also not common for men to cold approach women they don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:56 PM
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If dates are truly that cheap and women generally accept dates that cheap, why are women not paying for the dates to an equal degree? Also, "expensive" is relative. It may not be a lot of money but if you're frequently dating to find a match, it can quickly become expensive, and that's if the dates are regularly as cheap as you mentioned, it gets much more expensive much more quickly if it's not that cheap.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:54 PM
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"Usually that's the man" That's the point. It's just another gender role that benefits women to ensure the gender role of paying is met.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:52 PM
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Men choosing to "feel this way" is heavily influenced by the fact they need to feel that way. The idea that men wouldn't prefer more money in their pocket to afford more dates in hopes of finding love is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:51 PM
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I believe it's a Feminist ideals to expect men to fulfil their gender roles for women's benefit while women aren't fulfilling their gender roles for men's benefit, and the only escape from this Feminist ideal is to not fulfil your gender role to a general populace that doesn't reciprocate with their own gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:50 PM
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I disagree, I believe most men and women want relationships, but women simply have a standard regarding pay that is quite immoral to have. If the dating pool for women drastically shrinks because this immoral approach to dating is so frequent that not meeting that standard would cause the female dating pool drastically shrink, then that highlights to me that women generally have expectations which are unbecoming of a good person, which reflects severely poorly on the general woman. This change w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:49 PM
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This may be entirely true, the culture around this may be different in other areas of the world, just as I'm sure there are dating cultures in areas of the world that are unfair to women I'm sure exist, but I'm more so speaking in regards to Western culture around dating as that is the culture I'm familiar with. If you paid for people in a relationship, I don't have an issue with that, relationships should tie their finances together, I currently do the same with my partner because we're in a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:44 PM
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"You didn't respond" To Markov? It wasn't a response that directly replied to me. If to anyone else on that thread, you can literally see I responded and that thus far my last response on that thread was not responded to...So I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Completely ignored the criticism that you cut off a quote in order to respond to a point I didn't make by doing so. Gotcha. You didn't point out flaws, I'm asking you to point out the flaws in my argument, you're refusing to do s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:40 PM
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If it's gone to the third date, I could even say paying isn't so bad because there's a good chance it's leading somewhere, I'm more so talking first dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:30 PM
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Respect to those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:28 PM
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I agree it's a nice gesture, my main concern is that it's an expectation that turns it from a nice gesture to something men feel like they must do in order to not harm their chances of finding love. If it was more normalized for men and women to go 50/50 where not doing so doesn't harm a large amount of chances in dating, I think paying is a nice gesture in that dynamic too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:27 PM
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That's not how this works. You don't get to avoid my question and then ask a question expecting an answer. I'm aware you asked a question and had you answered mine and then asked a question you would have been given an answer to yours. There is no scenario here where you ignore my questions and then get yours answered. No scenario. Me refusing to answer your questions until I know you will answer mine when I ask mine first is not the same as you not having your answer ignored because you ignored…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:24 PM
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In that case, our moral foundations are just completely different that I don't think we could ever agree. I don't think such a dynamic would be good and believe it would be right to try and change through culture and by appealing to how those men have put women in a particular dynamic where they're doing something they don't necessarily want to do in order to reach a conclusion that doesn't require the first step that's made purely out of selfishness. But you've answered my questions and remaine…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 03:05 AM
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But in regards to my question, would that be something you think is justified?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:40 AM
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Sounds a lot like my perspective, but Red-Pillers don't own the views they have, you can have those views without being Red-Pill and genuinely being in the middle. I'm the same, I don't like the talking heads of the Red-Pill or what the current iteration of the Red-Pill is, so I don't label myself with the term. I guess we just disagree then, I don't think it's right to hold men to their gender roles in a dynamic where women aren't held to theirs. The purpose of the gender roles was a partnershi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:39 AM
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Yes, it's sexist. If the excuse is "but this sexist act benefits the people being sexist" then that opens a whole can of worms that the very same people giving such an excuse would be the first to say "That's sexist and therefor shouldn't happen."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:26 AM
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Current iteration of Red Pill, it seems. Nope, I'm fine. I can afford dates and I take my partner on them all the time. I don't need to better myself, I'm quite alright. Conventionally attractive, good muscle mass, stable financials, a partner, etc. Never had to go on a date to have women interested. If you're assuming this is coming from some incel person who can't afford or get dates, you're off the mark. So? As do I compared to the average guy, I still wouldn't expect women to pay for me or t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:16 AM
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Well, in that case I just have to thank you for engaging with the question and staying consistent. It's appreciated. I don't agree with you, I think our morals are just fundamentally different where we wouldn't be able to agree but you at least engaged fairly and consistency, which I thank you for.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:07 AM
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Mmhmm. Now say we reached a point where women were wanting committed relationships, like most of us do, but they had to engage with this expectation to reach that end-goal. Now say women start to accept doing this for men even if they don't think it's how things should be but feel like it's necessary to have a good chance of finding a relationship, and this starts to become normalized that now there's a lot of women that will do it in hopes it will lead to a committed relationship, so much so th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:06 AM
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Because women also do this for men they do find attractive or wouldn't mind being on dates with, but because it is normalized for them not to do the initiating they don't seek out dating potential in the same way because they believe it's the role of the man to do that for them and for them to decide after someone else initiates. Dates aren't just to have sex, they're to have relationships, and women also want relationships, so why aren't they as frequently asking men out on dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:55 AM
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Well, at least you actually engaged with the question. Thank you for that. I think it would be extremely immoral and deserving of changing as it would be extremely unfair to expect of women and that the men would be exploiting dating dynamics to get something they want regardless of if it actually led to a loving relationship or not. Our morals are just completely different on the matter to the point I don't think we could come to an agreement, but I appreciate you actually engaging with the que…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:45 AM
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I think this may be the last question in this dialogue tree, we'll see depending on your answer. So if this became normalized to the point women started meeting these expectations despite not liking such expectations but not wanting to spend life alone and so have to accept it, not because they like it but because they have to in order to get to the thing they do want, such as a loving relationship, to the point that women who don't do it are looked down upon as not worth the squeeze which drast…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:43 AM
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Not at all because women intentionally don't initiate dates nearly to the same degree as men are expected to due to outdated gender roles. You're just using another unfair gender role to justify the one that follows.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:38 AM
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Sure, but if women don't want to risk those things, they can just say no and have an extremely hard time getting dates as a result in my hypothetical. So with this in mind, I still need you to answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:35 AM
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Haven't you been on here talking about how many dates you get before? Or am I thinking of someone else? I'm sure I've seen your name pop up around here making such comments. I'll keep an eye out if I see you making such comments in the future. This is a debate, if you're not engaging then I can call you out on it to demonstrate so. You can call it an emotional tantrum if you like, I'm chillin'. I 100% believe you would consider it weird to have beliefs on what is right and wrong in ways that don…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:20 AM
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So, given that you acknowledge that it's okay for things to be unfair, if men did do what my comment you responded to states, that would be something undeserving of expected change from men on behalf of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:14 AM
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I don't date, never did. Never had to, I got very lucky on superficial qualities that I don't really need to find women the same way others do with dates. It still costs money, especially with the younger generation who have way less financial security than other generations, most have to live within a budget, so expecting them to be able to afford dates routinely month by month, you're looking at about 3-4 dates a month if lucky, but they could afford more dates if women paid their half.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:09 AM
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Okay, now say this became so normalized that women started accepting the expectation, despite not liking it, so much so that men generally won't accept dates with you because you won't meet those expectations, so much so that you struggle to get dates and even when you do get dates, there's no certainty that the dates who will date you are men you'd even be attracted to mentally or physically because most men opt for the women who will give them what they want on the first date. Would you still …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:06 AM
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I say typically because I'm very aware that women fluctuate in their approaches based on the context in which something is approached. Yes, if you ask directly about the "50/50" question, a lot of women will say they're cool with it because the culture around this dialogue being that if a woman doesn't agree with this, they're looked down upon because they know it's not fair to not be 50/50, but in other contexts where there's no chance of judgement, you will see women promote it by doing things…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:03 AM
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No, I asked you a question. Are you wanting to debate the topic or not? I can move on to someone else if you won't even answer a question in a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:45 AM
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If it was the norm that men expected women to have sex with them on the first date to the point 7-8/10 men have this expectation and would look down on women who didn't, but women had to conform to this expectation they didn't like in order to simply have dates to find love, would you say that this should be justified with the same response you gave here?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:42 AM
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Gender roles have ended in many ways, just not all ways, but in most ways I would say men's gender roles have been very much held on to in more ways than women's have, although women still have some.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:40 AM
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Just curious. If a woman doesn't like the fact she's expected to pay 50/50 and has reservations of even accepting a date with those conditions, can your conclusion be extrapolated to every woman who doesn't like the idea of going 50/50? Even if that was like 50% of the population of women or more, and if that was the case, do we not have a severe entitlement problem in the gender dynamic that women have created and should work towards changing within themselves for the sake of equality within th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:39 AM
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Never had to go on a date to meet girls. I'm lucky in superficial qualities that mitigated the need for dates. Well, except with my partner but dates with someone you're already in a relationship with isn't the same issue being raised here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:37 AM
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To a degree. The type of people women will do this for have to be pretty high in the conventionally attractive scale, but it does happen. Personally I think it happens when there's no shadow of a doubt she's "reaching" and that he wouldn't be short of options that if she has too many expectations, he could just nope out and have a date by the end of the same night.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:35 AM
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Yes, and you said men set the expectation by paying for dates in the first place that they're complaining about, so I'm saying women started the expectation of mothering their boyfriends, and therefor by your standard you can't complain if men generally expect women to mother them. That's YOUR methodology. Continue to deploy weaponized ignorance and I'll simply go about talking to others here who are at least trying to engage. That's cool. Read it again. Your weaponized ignorance is simply rejec…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:33 AM
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No, because of the very behaviour you display in this conversation. Cutting off the quote at that point just makes your intent clear. I'm happy to debate, just not a debate where I'm expected to never have my arguments answered to so that you can hope I slip up and only address potential bad points. You're essentially saying "Debate me but I will only debate you if I can win". I'm saying no to that. "Because I made my point better". You didn't, and the fact I can answer to every point you make w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:27 AM
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Sex is something that has a dollar value, we have a sex industry, but sex and money isn't what's being compared. What's being compared is if men expected something women were culturally pressured in to giving just like men are expected to do today. Sexual acts absolutely can be given, and a date is absolutely shared. But you fell in to the point. YOU don't think it's justified to have an expectation that would make women unhappy to have to adapt to but you're okay with the inverse happening, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:22 AM
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The times have moved on and women seem to be holding men to the standards of the past they claim were bad in order to have men not expect women to meet the gender roles of the past, all while promoting men meeting their gender roles of the past, even when it has become significantly harder for men to meet their traditional gender roles today than it is for women to meet their traditional gender roles today. It's pretty wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:09 AM
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An even easier solution to this is simply, if the woman isn't interested in a 2nd date, she pays for her half of the date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:07 AM
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If it became the norm that men wanted sex on the first date to the same frequency women want men to pay for the first date and men reject the first date as it became an expectation women had to meet in order to get the first date generally, would you say that's a fair dating hurdle women have to adapt to, or would you consider men's expectation to be unfair there?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:05 AM
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You're missing the point. Men are willing to pay because they're expected to pay. If the standard normalized to go 50/50 and men were paying after that expectation of 50/50 was normalized, I'd have no problem with it. Yes, because the one who invites should pay, but men primarily do the inviting because women typically won't, it's just another cultural layer of unfair expectation to justify the next. Dating/relationships are a luxury to who? Men? Women? Both? Is it a luxury if you pay out money …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 12:04 AM
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If men expected women to sleep with them on the first date by default and this was normalized to the point women had to accept taking a big hit to dating viability as more and more women started having to adapt to this norm by having sex on the first date, not because they would prefer it but because if they didn't their dating prospects would lower significantly, would that be fair on women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 11:59 PM
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I wouldn't say it's common, I would say it's wanted, but not common because men are aware women typically don't want to on the first date. I feel like my question for the hypothetical was dodged here. If what I described was the norm, would it be fair on women and would the appropriate response be, "Well just deal with it, or bargain by offering a lower form of sex act, like a hand-job at the end", etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 11:53 PM
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This. It's all fine and dandy when you say, "Just have a conversation prior" but the part being left out is "And accept that it will drastically impact your dating compatibility because of not meeting this expectation".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 11:49 PM
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And as a Conservative man I can assure you many Liberal women very much do not care and will still attempt to date us Conservatives, the point is that it's not the ideal we prefer and if the option is available, we'll choose someone closer to our type.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 09:25 PM
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Seeeeeeeeeethe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:11 PM
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QUEEN! <3
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:10 PM
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If this is a question you can't answer then that's answer enough. I'm not having a debate where any inconvenient question for your position is just allowed to be thrown out for your convenience. Take care. If you wish to resume, answer my question. You can call it a false equivalency but you will need to answer it first and then explain why it's a false equivalency.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:08 PM
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I'm simply not consenting to a debate where I can find a point that demonstrates my point only to have excuses to answering them while I answer all of yours, which ensures I can't possibly win the debate because any winning question can just be decided it's not going to be answered. Have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:07 PM
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Too late. In a long-term relationship. To twist the knife a little more, I'm conventionally attractive and women typically find me attractive, so I've never been without. Seethe in nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:05 PM
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That's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:04 PM
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Not at all, that is entirely dependent on your values. I want an answer to the question. Would it be justified for men to have such an expectation that benefits them and not the woman and would women be justified in wanting this to change even if it's normalized?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:03 PM
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Okay, but if this was normalized and became the default expectation of women, would it be justified for men to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:02 PM
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No, come on. I asked a question that pertains to the point of the discussion in hopes you could empathize with my position by showing a scenario in which the same justification can be placed. If you don't want to answer it then say so and I can move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:01 PM
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Yeah, this makes sense. If both know what is expected in terms of gender roles and both are receptive to being placed in those roles, it makes sense for that to play out in dating. However, I don't believe most people today do buy in to those past gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:57 PM
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"You sound like a leech because you won't let me leech off you". Marvellous. Sure, let me explain. In Afghanistan it benefits men's sensibilities to oppress women, and so they did so, overnight. So I'll ask the same. "Why shouldn't they have done that, what benefit is it to them if they don't? Please tell me how it benefits men to not have 100% control over women when they want it?" Christ. I humoured you too long. "I want it so it's justified". Maybe you're right, you belong in the past with na…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:55 PM
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No, I think asking a woman to a coffee date will reduce it, and then asking her to split the cost of the coffee date will reduce it even more. Women have been very open about not respecting the very idea of even doing coffee dates because it's too low-effort. Do you think I just assumed this? The position I take on this has been from listening to what women say on the matter. Let's put it this way. Say a dude has about 200 spare after bills and groceries, each date costs, say, 60-70, he's living…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:51 PM
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That's a pretty smart set up for existing in the current dynamic. Take them somewhere in which you can "upgrade" the date if it's going well, where the date never goes beyond a very small amount unless you're confident in the potential for the date to become something more. I like that. Smart man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:44 PM
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I literally answered it. You said what expectations, a clean home, I said yeah let's go with that and explained. If you don't want to acknowledge my arguments for your own convenience then feel free, there are others here I can have the debate with, but I won't be continuing this one with you unless you answer to my response you're just pretending I didn't make when it's literally above this reply and we can see I did. The rest I'm just ignoring. I'm not resetting the conversation every time I m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:42 PM
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So let me get this straight. You're okay with limiting men's ability to date so that you can't date indefinitely, but if a man doesn't even say the same but says we should pull our finances together so we can both financially afford to date, you consider that an issue? You sound like a leech. Yes, I think if one side is limited in dating because one side is taking full responsibility for dating then that responsibility should be split to ensure one side isn't free of all limitation and the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:40 PM
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Nope. This happened in nature. The further back we go in history, the closer we are to nature, we know this happened. Unless you're making the absurd declaration that in nature, before civilization, men were just perfect angels that somehow conform to all the legality we would later be created within civilization. "There were matriarchal society's that that thrived!" Where are they? You've not got anything insightful here, you're just throwing out assertions, absurd ones at that. You can't even …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:34 PM
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The problem is I believe the expectation of fairness by going 50/50 will drastically reduce women's willingness to go on dates they otherwise would have, which granted is their choice to make but that choice represents a willingness for women to make an unfair dynamic at the expense of others. If this is then extrapolated on, we're agreeing that a dynamic that normalizes one sided benefits is justified, and so any rule can be put in place with zero regard for the other side of the dynamic. For a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:31 PM
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This is the point. The struggle to find relationships as a result. To take it to a major extreme just to display the logic, if for some reason it became a norm that a woman had to be punched in order to get a 2nd date or their chances of a 2nd date plummets, would that be justified? Even if as a result of the normalization of this dynamic set in and women opted in to the agreement, would it be justified? No, it wouldn't be, even if all consented.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:22 PM
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If 9/10 men decided they wouldn't date you unless you slept with them on the first date and would look down on women as a dating prospect if they don't, almost universally, would that be okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:18 PM
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This does indeed work. However, I don't think women would be too thrilled if men decided dates were universally a no-go and adopted this as the norm. Would be an interesting question I may ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:17 PM
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Yeah, sure. Let's run with it. Women do more domestic work and so men became accustomed to it and thus became an expectation men have of women, and therefor it's fine because women created this expectation and it shouldn't change on that fact alone. Sounds fair, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:16 PM
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Sure, and the defenceless woman is raped or killed in nature if the nature of a predatory man is allowed to go unchecked. What's your point? Not only is this socially conditioned, we socially condition people out of nature all the time, it's the very basis of civilization and society. Nature and civilization are not the same thing, and you're relying on this one sided view of nature that benefits women to portray it as "how things should be" while completely ignoring the negatives of nature beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:13 PM
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But at that point we're still stuck in the paradigm that the man should be expected to pay, we'd just be determining within what freeholds of his finances, while not even acknowledging the same expectation of women. If a man can afford the date, but the woman can also afford the date, why should it be automatically assumed she shouldn't have to pay at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:09 PM
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Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:51 PM
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No, because I'm fortunate enough to have superficial attractive qualities most don't have. I don't base my thoughts on my personal experiences but the norm of experiences on this matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:49 PM
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Nope, women would still have sexual selection even if they pay. If you pay, you can still decide to select that person or not. "Nature" is not a label you can just throw out to escape the conversation like some Trump card. We shackled "nature" for the civilized world in so many ways and that opens up so many things that would justify women's ability to "sexually select" more than it would otherwise, so let's not humour the "nature" argument. This isn't a post for you to stand on a soapbox about …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:48 PM
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....Because unless you're poly you're not with them...We don't need to go down the fulls ins and outs to interview you for your dating history, but I assume you've had a fair share of dates, and the idea you had long relationships with them all, unless you're older, is a bit much. Social norms for appearance is not the same as gender dynamic expectations that are detrimental, be they manageable or not. Let's not play these "actually" games, let's just talk about what's being talked about. I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:45 PM
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Not exclusively but they would be the ones that primarily suffer from this. The problem is your response implies he needs justification to not have to pay for the other person while the other person doesn't need justification, that is what I hate, the unfairness of it. Someone losing their wallet and therefor can't pay is not the same as expecting someone who can pay to pay. For example, if a man asked a woman out and he knew she couldn't financially afford it but wanted to date her anyway, I'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:40 PM
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That's perfectly fine. If you offer and the person knows it won't effect whether you go on a second date or not, if he wants to pay after those factors, that wouldn't be on the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:38 PM
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Even if true that nobody thinks about it because it's normalized, that doesn't negate that the effects of what is normalized effects people. I'm in a long-term relationship, and my superficial qualities carried me in to the category of not needing to date to find women who are interested, but thank you for your concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:36 PM
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It doesn't need to be expensive. Peoples finances aren't all the same. The problem is, if this is a common expectation, if men don't accept this even though they don't want to do it but have to do it in order to find love, even when it doesn't have to be this way if the other side equalized the cost, is it justified? For example, if it was normalized for men to expect sex on the first date and then men routinely looked down on a date to the point of not humouring a second date because that expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:35 PM
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I've never been on a date, it's not how I got in to relationships or hooked up. The point is, is it right to tell men they must do something detrimental if they wish to improve their chances of finding love while the expectation for women to do the same isn't there, and this is normalized?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:31 PM
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I remember the whole "Drizzle Drizzle" thing where women routinely blasted men for expecting of them what they expected of men. It was wild the sheer lack of self-awareness they had as they hurled insults to such men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:29 PM
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Sure, and a lot of women report having to mother their boyfriends or else their shared home doesn't keep clean. This is an expectation women set. If you have an issue with men letting the house get messy, take it up with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:28 PM
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"Life isn't fair" isn't a justification for something that doesn't need to be and is only a thing based on the wilful intention to make it be. If women are simply saying life isn't fair and therefor it's justified to happen, then at the same time the things men expect of women, even if objectively unfair, are justified to be expected simply because it's expected, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:24 PM
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I disagree. There's already been a massive change in dating, even from the men's side. More and more men aren't even going on dates but simply "hanging out" in replacement of "dates". I for one was one of them. I've never been on a date, except with my partner, but before my partner I would simply hang out with friends and mutual friends which would be used as the same function as "dates".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:22 PM
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This. Or even if she simply wasn't attracted to him and it wasn't a deliberate attempt to get a free meal, it still gives her massive benefits financially and men massive detriments financially in regards to finding love.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:19 PM
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Oh, like prostitution? I'm speaking more so about when men are looking for relationships. If they're just "Sugaring" and both are getting what they want out of it, I consider that more paying for a service than actual dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:18 PM
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It is a gender dynamic issue because most women expect it and most men simply put up with it. Most men won't like the idea of spending their limited money on a woman when it's not going to lead to anything if they're aware that by footing the bill it impairs their ability to go on another date with a woman who may be different. Outliers exist but they're not the rule. It absolutely is being held on primarily by women, the reason why men are willing to do it is because it is socially taboo for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:16 PM
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And you aren't with those guys that showed they genuinely liked you, so realistically, they footed the bill still and it may have impacted their ability to be on a date the next day with a girl who did want to be with them, and now that opportunity is gone. If you're actually in a relationship, who pays is irrelevant as you're a partnership, the point is the bill should be split during the process prior to that stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:12 PM
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Gender norms have gone for the most part, that's the problem. The ones that have remained in places like dating are almost exclusively on men's side. You may be right but if gender norms have been socially abolished for the most part on one side, the other side could do the same, and many do in round about ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:09 PM
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I was speaking on behalf of men but you raise a good point that Masc lesbians may also have to endure this unfairness. Great point I didn't consider. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:08 PM
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I don't even know what half those terms mean. Lol. What's sugaring? I understand that your point seems to be that "This is how it is, so make it work", which I agree is good advice for how things are but I disagree that it's how things should be in terms of fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:06 PM
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Hard disagree that you should listen to women about what women find attractive a lot of the time. The problem women have is that they represent what "works" with what makes them "look good" in the eyes of others. Not being a woman doesn't automatically mean you're going to know what generally works but the best people to help improve your chances are going to be men who get those chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:05 PM
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I'm a conventionally attractive man with more muscle mass than the average person, get on great with men and women alike, looked highly upon by my peers, in a long-term relationship, and generally have women (and some occasions men) approach me to either compliment me or try their luck. I'm still somewhat of a misogynist as I don't like the conventional way in which women portray themselves to be. The rest is just fan fiction. Conservatives are more likely to get and be married. Left wingers hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 04:41 PM
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Women aren't shy about it either. This approach to things is how they think things should be and then they will unironically sit there and wonder why the boys and men born and raised in such conditions have started to have more and more negative views of women as time goes on. This is why when I've asked for advice in the past I absolutely will never disclose the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 04:28 PM
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I still can't actually believe the nerve of women who expect men to foot the bill in 2024. It's actually infuriating to have to sit here as a man and get lectured about how men shouldn't expect women to be held to any gender roles but they have to be held to financial gender roles that ensures women can go on as many dates as they possibly can to maximize their ability to find someone they're compatible with because they have to pay for literally nothing, meanwhile the man has to pay for the dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:13 PM
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Well that's annoying. My post wasn't even specifically about "looks" as much as it was about the behaviour around the topic of looks, which may be splitting hairs but had subject around it which would be more than simply being about "looks". Shame, really. Oh well. Thank you for giving me the heads up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 07:59 PM
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I thought that was about like "Your" personal looks posts. So, hold on, when it comes to matters of men and women, the topic of what each finds physically attractive, or something adjacent to the topic, is off limits? God damn, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 07:14 PM
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But I've had like 2-3 posts rejected that are not at all related to body count with "N-count" being the reason for it. Shit's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 07:13 PM
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Most women don't do this, she's just taking extreme examples of responsibility and extrapolating that to the general female public. It's ridiculous. She most likely isn't like this herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 06:25 PM
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This isn't hard and can be absolutely utilized to make the dating game clearer. If you want to have a second date, let the man pay because he'd be willing to as there's a future. If you're not sure or absolutely sure you won't have a second date, split the bill. If a woman claims, "You asked, so you pay" you need to utterly swerve away from that red flag. She knows the gender dynamic when it comes to dates, she knows that there's more societal pressure for men to be the ones to ask for dates, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 06:23 PM
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Wait, is N-count meaning "Body count"? If so, I've had posts completely unrelated to body count get deleted by mods for being N-count posts. Are you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 09:14 PM
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Basically, pro-choicers become the biggest advocates for pro-life argumentation if it comes to applying the same option of choice to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:24 PM
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Sure, and financial autonomy means you get to choose what happens with your finances. What's your point? You were the one separating abortion with paper abortion, characterizing the former as a medical procedure that is not excluded to issues of physical wellbeing, and the latter as simply avoiding paying bills. Yes, I believe that if the argument is that women get to opt out of parental responsibility due to abortion but men don't get an equivalent option, then women should be allowed to have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 08:38 PM
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I think a better point is to bring up an hypothetical when someone separates parental responsibility from reproductive responsibility. "If we can find a scenario where a woman's reproductive responsibility can be chosen BUT the parental responsibility is still obligated, would you accept that a woman who has an abortion must be made to adopt a child to meet those parental responsibilities even if the reproductive responsibility can be dismissed?" Immediately they will say no, and right away you …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 07:12 PM
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Nope. Because if biology, a woman can have a child without the father knowing and she is free to use safe haven laws without the father even knowing, and therefor relinquish all parental responsibility such as child support. The father cannot do this. So no. Yes, they can in fact do this, as explained above. I understand your perspective, I just don't agree with it. You don't want to have your taxes go towards something? Well, join the club, it's not stopped taxes before, and considering men pay…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:54 PM
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Max weight load is not the same is maximum work you can do. Ya, been a manager for a charity, done farm work, done mental health work for the disabled, and your run of the mill retail, and currently being asked to work in forestry by my partner's father. Don't get catty just because you got blown out. Badum tsst.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:18 PM
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I've had this very conversation so many times, it's one of my favourites to demonstrate the hypocrisy of pro-choicers, that they're not "Pro-choice", they're just pro-woman/anti-man because their view of choice only extends to women, even when men can also be given a choice that doesn't remove the woman's ability to choose they'll still refuse. It's just the perfect topic to demonstrate two things. These people don't care about choice. You're entirely free to be mercilessly pro-life, because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:12 PM
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And how we respond to those biological differences can still amount to sexism. Watch me prove it. Men are physically more capable of physical labour. Due to this, should men by default get paid for work that requires ANY physical labour or a fluctuation in physical labour amounts, even for things like retail where you may have to move stock? After all, it's a biological fact that men are better at physical labour, so considering this, should men by default get paid more? It wouldn't be sexist, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:09 PM
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No, because it doesn't matter, labour is labour and labour isn't static, it changes, sometimes it can be easy, sometimes it can be hard, but if you have someone that's able to do it better at any state of labour requirement, then they'd be better because they can do more, and therefor, by default, men get paid more because their biology makes them able to do more. So when you have the same physicality as men, you should get paid equal but not before, and you can't get paid equal until you do. Na…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:02 PM
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"They can force women to carry out parental responsibilities." No they can't, a woman can abort or she can use safe haven laws after the child is born. No, because women can abort if they simply don't want to be parents, therefor women have an option to opt out of their reproductive responsibilities at a time a man can do the same, but for some reason you're simply saying "No" to. Sure, but neither would the man in my point. If he didn't notify the woman when she could have an abortion, then he …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:55 PM
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Nope, because that heavily relies on it being light stocking and few stocking, and that isn't always the case. So no. Also, I'm not even humouring the pivot you attempted there. Men have a biological advantage and therefor they can do more physical work, and therefor he should be paid more if there's any level of physical labour expected. When you can do as much physical labour as men, then you can have a say.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:41 PM
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That only jumps it up to 8% of complications "If untreated", which if treated drastically reduces that number considering they are typically treated. So still, extremely, EXTREMELY unlikely to be in danger. No, you meant dangerous in reference to deadly, which is why you referenced your mother almost dying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:38 PM
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Yeah, the problem is most jobs require some level of physical labour. So by default, men would be better equipped and come with that default advantage. So if a job has ANY aspect of physical requirement, such as even simply working in a shop (as you need to move stock), then men should be paid more by default because they'll have an advantage in that job by default. This entirely depends on where you are. Many shops have front end workers put out stock, which requires lifting and transporting of…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:34 PM
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Every Western country. We're not talking about price, everything has a price tag nowadays, we're talking about the "Extremely dangerous" aspect you mentioned. So are you acknowledging that there is an extremely, EXTREMELY small chance, not even a 1% chance, that women risk death from pregnancy?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:24 PM
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Ya ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:14 PM
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Yes, can, but extremely unlikely, as in not even 1% of women die from childbirth, not even 1% of 1% do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:14 PM
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Cool, but they can force a man to carry out parental responsibilities, meanwhile they can't force a woman to. So what you're saying is that when there is a method in which both can have a choice you've decided "Nah, fam, women can't be forced to carry out any responsibility, only men can". The answer is straight up no. This isn't hard. If you're pro-choice then you can't be opposed to this. The man gets the choice to opt out of parenthood at a time in which the woman can have an abortion and she…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:13 PM
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Cool. I won't feel at all bad for you when I do my part to make abortions illegal. You showed no mercy, expect none from us. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:07 PM
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They do, actually. Safe haven laws allow.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:06 PM
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Are you separating the responsibility for parenthood after conceiving with the bodily responsibility? I just have a hypothetical then. If we had a system where a woman who aborts, not due to medical reasons, is forced to keep their parental responsibility by adopting a child in the care system, what would your opinion be?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:01 PM
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The argument isn't if men should have a choice to abort the child, but to abort parenthood. The uterus argument ONLY works in regards to if men should have a say in the abortion, it has zero relevance for the topic of if men can abort from parenthood. So your question is rejected, it's a non sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:59 PM
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"As soon as we get everything we want, we won't consider financial abortion in any of the areas we do have abortion rights." In what world do you think we'd fall for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:55 PM
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I don't need to go through pregnancy and childbirth just because you can so that I can dictate my own life. If you're free to have the choice without my permission I ought to be free to have the choice without your permission so long it was done at a moment where both can exercise that choice. No, that wouldn't make it fair, the biological function of pregnancy is not necessary to have a choice on the matter. This would be like me saying, "Oh, women want equal pay? Heh. Well women will have to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:54 PM
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Pregnancy is not extremely dangerous, this isn't the middle ages. Stop. Ffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:44 PM
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"Well, actually, no, it's not a responsibility because I decided it's not something to be responsible for." That's your argument, and you're telling men they can't do the same because it would be inconvenient for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:42 PM
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Nope. Financial abortion is about the male involvement, not the female's choice to abort. The fact women carry the child EXCLUSIVELY would give her choice over HER body but not choice for what she does with HER body to dictate what HE has to do with HIS life. That is a complete non sequitur. Men don't have to take the L on this, this is sheer hypocrisy from the pro-choice side that can't be justified. "Someone is going to pay for the baby if it's born." Sure, the mother. If she didn't want that …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:39 PM
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Here is the reality. Yes, it's hypocritical to be opposed to financial abortion if you're in favour of abortion. This has nothing to do with "My body, my choice" and everything to do with "My body, you're paying for it". This is why I'm actually far less apologetic about being pro-life, because these people don't care about choice, they only care about women's choice and that includes women's choice to choose for men. Financial abortion can work (in the pro-choice frame), men get the option to o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:36 PM
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That's because men don't like women with high body counts while women seem to, which is why women shame men if they're virgins or can't get laid, meanwhile men don't do so for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:30 PM
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OF content creator who done a "I slept with 100 men in one day" thing and documented it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:57 PM
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Active can be physically fit. I simply don't believe you, I have no doubt you've been attractive to the likes of Chris Evans or Chris Hemsworth. Yes, they are, and physically fit muscular men are also one of those kinds. No, it's lying when women routinely say the same and yet they prompt up entertainment specifically with these men in them and demonstrate their attraction to such men IRL. If your argument is just "No" then my response is "No" also.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:02 PM
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Women need to realize that men have eyes and we can see what you find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:59 PM
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I agree that people say stupid things online but it's where most cultural topics are approached and people read what is being said and will shape their views on what is said online a lot of the time, it's natural. My issue is that men that are watching it all play out may actually believe these women and severely handicap themselves for future romance prospects if they think that physically bettering themselves won't change anything or may hinder their chances, all because the women in the conve…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:58 PM
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Yeah, it's a thing. Usually it's adjacent to some other issue. For example, the reason for posting this was that there was a charming young man, pretty badly out of shape, taking flowers to his first date in a while. Toxic dudes were being toxic for the flowers element, and that somehow turned in to women saying he's more attractive than men that are in shape. Of course, the obvious answer is that this is ridiculous, if he was in shape he'd be more attractive, which then led down to the "Out of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:50 PM
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That's not true. In order for this to be true you need to use the largest men in mind. Women do like large muscles, so long as they're not unnaturally large like you'd see in strong men competitions, etc. Conventional attractive qualities are a thing. This would be the equivalent of a man saying he doesn't like a woman that's thin and then me going, "Eh, well actually, men really don't like anorexic women! Therefor men generally don't like in shape women!" No, it's a refusal. Yes, there are limi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:47 PM
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I do believe this is an aspect, even when they're not overweight. I believe women are intimidated by the struggle of desire as it relates to the wider world, they don't want to feel like their partner has an equal or greater power of desire regarding the world outside of the relationship as they desire is a large identity aspect of women and if that power is equalized, then that woman can be prone to insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:41 PM
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If you look online you'll see women claiming otherwise. Obviously it's not true, I think we can or should be able to acknowledge that. Yes, I would expect people to prefer personality of an average or slightly chubby person over a man in great shape with a horrible personality but this is often the go-to response (not throwing shade at you), which is to imply that the comparison to be made is between an in-shape bad/no personality man and a man with a good personality, when the apt comparison is…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:39 PM
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Nope, I've just observed discourse on the matter and what women say.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:36 PM
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Sure, if you're talking about the "strong men" type I could understand that, but again even when we look at those that are in great shape, good muscle mass, etc, women are generally attracted to them. I'll pick some well known examples, like Chris Evans as Captain America, Chis Hemsworth as Thor, etc. If women were exclusively claiming this about the complete end of the muscle mass range, I'd understand that, but that is not what many women are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:35 PM
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Exactly. Media is a good gauge for this. Look at entertainment particularly geared towards women, it's filled with male eye candy, which is fine, but to watch a show because of that factor and then go on to tell men that looks and physical fitness does not influence women's attraction is a crazy type of societal gaslighting a lot of women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:27 PM
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For sure, any motivation to better yourself is good. I started working out years ago because of a book character I liked. As time went on that reason became irrelevant. However we also have to acknowledge that the motivation to start varies and why you continue to do that very thing may change as time goes on. Men working out to improve their romantic prospects is a legitimate starting motivation that can help men reach the ends they wish to meet. My issue is that many women will give off false …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:24 PM
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Oh, sorry I just assumed given the profile emoji thing. I disagree. This would assume you have knowledge to opt in to these services while knowing their views ahead of time, and it also assumes that other places you may replace it with doesn't have similar views. If you're that selective that's fine though. For me, with the jobs I've had, the places I've lived, it's pretty common. I didn't seek them out, they just came about naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:46 PM
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Yeah, I can agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:02 PM
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Maybe that's just your circles but it could also be because you're a woman and men won't openly talk about these matters in front of women, it's usually reserved to conversations among other men. I understand your perspective, I should have added, this isn't exclusive to my circles, these are in spaces where I don't get a say in who I interact with, such as work colleagues, the barbers, etc. So it's not so much a "Kind seeks kind" type of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:01 PM
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You're describing men that think they're 10s. "I don't think I'm a 10, I just think I'm a super high status chad who's better than all men". You're just describing men thinking they're 10s. Men absolutely go for women in their league, again, studies have shown that men go for women as should be expected, it's women on dating apps that don't. Again, you have this completely inverted and I have absolutely no idea how you got to this conclusion. Yes, of course women find such men attractive, I'm no…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:59 PM
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....You do know that you can experience women in ways that aren't sexual or romantic, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:51 PM
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That's usually not the case, typically their partners get a "pass". On my own personal case, my partner is even harsher when it comes to women. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:50 PM
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Not at all, this is even with work colleagues, at the barbers, etc. Not simply the company I choose to keep.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:47 PM
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I didn't miss your point, I dismissed it, is what I'm getting at. Yes, I'm aware you're saying "Some expressions are bad, some aren't, and we decide based on the variables if it's acceptable" but I'm rejecting this answer because it's irrelevant. Cool, so I'll just ask you a question then. Is the topic and expressions men have on this matter acceptable or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:20 PM
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Men have routinely said otherwise, studies have shown otherwise, where women will rate the average man below average on these dating apps. This just isn't true, not for most men. Men don't typically swipe on women out of their league exclusively, men swipe on every option available to them and still get a low rate of return, and even then the swiping is just the first hurdle, being swiped on doesn't mean anything happens beyond that point. Yes, there are men that get hundreds of matches a day, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:13 PM
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Yeah, but that can be said about any community that is criticizing another group of people. Like you said, you either get better or go where it's better. These are two things where this topic is frequented in have already addressed, which is to financially and physically improve yourself and/or become passport-bros. Many do drop out and remain in the complaining category but many also better themselves, and it's better to save some than none.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:07 PM
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I don't believe I did, I believe you introduced an irrelevant aspect intentionally to do as I outlined, otherwise you wouldn't of used such heavy examples. Yes, I am aware that was your intent, but baked in to it is the idea that this topic being discussed is at all comparable to the example you used. I said men expressing themselves is legitimate and then out of nowhere you come in with a paedophilia example to discredit what I was saying, and we both know why you did it. We can reset the conve…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:05 PM
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Most are married or in relationships, as am I. I think a big issue people fail to understand is that a lot of discontent with women isn't tied to their ability to get with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:03 PM
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That's not true at all, many of these spaces do end up helping many within the spheres this happens in. Take the Red-Pill for example, many do end up bettering themselves and seeing improvement as a result. If they stay in the "Complaining only" category, of course nothing improves but when people actually take the advice in these areas, they do improve. The problem is, it's not just women out of their league they have a problem with. A better thing to tell them is to get off of dating apps. Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:02 PM
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I actually don't think this is true. I've lived in many different communities, had to meet and make new social circles due to joining new communities, and when it comes to the topic of women there's not a lot of favourable things said. Granted, most aren't "down with the lingo" when it comes to the Red-Pill community, you're right that they don't engage much with that or even know about it, but the overall view of women as a group isn't high among men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:45 PM
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Sure, but that expression shouldn't need your permission, because as we can see, if men express themselves in a way that you don't like, you'll compare it to a man wanting to engage in something heinous like paedophilia. So yes, it does depend, but not on what you think depends, it depends on what men decide is acceptable for them to express within the bounds of legality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:21 PM
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Telling men that they should shut up about it rather than create a community through a shared issue which may lead itself to advice on how to overcome it is not the right decision. You're essentially telling men to keep quiet and not reach out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:16 PM
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Men expressing themselves is completely legitimate. They're entitled to find kindred spirits to talk to about their problems. We know that complaining about something itself doesn't solve anything, this is applied to literally every problem, but for some reason it's specifically not good if men do it. "Men need to express themselves more!" "Not like that!"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:15 PM
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A lot of the time it's solely to voice frustrations. They know that complaining won't solve the issue, they just want people to hear them and talk to about it, and some are legitimately angry about it, some justified, some not. The real approach men should be taking to this is weaponization of the women you will give the time of day to romantically. I never understood the passport-bro thing until a year or two ago but after looking in to it, it makes perfect sense for men with these frustrations…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:11 PM
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The reason why I dislike it is because I have Conservative views of sex and relationships, I also know that the more something is promoted the more normalized it becomes. Take OF for example. Now, I'm not saying all or most women take part in OF but on a cultural level I believe most women think it's acceptable, and due to this it has only become more popular. Now we're seeing conversations where women feel right to dictate what men should be comfortable with. Men typically don't want women with…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:46 PM
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The best thing to point to is the 4B movement thing that happened. Leftists women swore off all men instead of swearing off Right Leaning men because they didn't even consider that the men who agreed with them on everything were an option. That was pretty funny and should have been a wake up moment for Leftist men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 04:29 AM
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As a conventionally attractive man, this is just wrong on every level.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 04:20 AM
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No, not all women are trash because one woman sleeps with 100 men, my point is that most women I had seen were absolving her of responsibility for it and exclusively calling the men gross or worse, perpetrators. Of course all women can't be represented by one woman, and I wouldn't say even the women I seen online doing what I just explained represent "all" women, just that there was a trend of women defending her as not being responsible for her own actions
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:36 PM
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No, between Twitter users and people "IRL". The idea that topics stay within their own little bubbles and don't spread among all other online areas, especially when it's trending, isn't true. People aren't in their own little boxes online.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 05:11 PM
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That's fair but there is a large overlap. These are people and they can serve as a sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:51 PM
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That was a fantastic read.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 12:39 AM
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Yup, and yet it doesn't dispute a single thing I said, "Champ".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 12:23 AM
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No, as in woman leaders, not women male leaders started wars over.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:46 PM
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Irrelevant, lesser men can still do work to keep a nation functional. This response is nothing more than an excuse so you can dictate men do something for the nation that protects you but you don't have to do anything to protect a nation that is inconvenient to your wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:45 PM
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"Women are weaker". A bullet is a bullet and a pair of hands is a pair of hands. It doesn't matter that you're weaker, it matters that you can hold and aim a gun, which women can do. This "Women are vulnerable because they're weaker!" My flesh is weaker than a bullet. Everything you described is irrelevant. Your opinion on this matter is solely related to your safety within it. You don't get to call others cowards when you're saying you shouldn't have to do what you're saying others should be ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:19 PM
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Throughout history more women have started wars than men have by percentage. You're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:16 PM
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Serving in the military in a role where you're extremely unlikely to die does not give you any experience or say on the matter of a draft where you are very likely to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:15 PM
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The fact that we're comfortable with the idea that we can and should send men, never women, to certain death after being through the worst conditions any living creature can experience, watching their friends and loved ones go through horrors only hell can be compared to... ...But then say, "But those men aren't entitled to sex" is actually astounding. You know what, I'll bite the bullet. Yeah, if a man can be made to go through all of that, he's actually entitled to sex. I'll stand on that hill…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:12 PM
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Oh, cool. So in that case, if women are not getting sent to war because they'd be needed to repopulate, I getcha. Should we have a draft for women due to their biology that if a nation is facing dangerous territory due to low birth rates that they can be "drafted" in to getting pregnant then?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:07 PM
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It's not punishment, it's using people as resources for war, just like men. You view it as a punishment solely because it's women, not for any other reason, you just feel like you get to play with out lives and nothing should be expected of you. Believe it or not, if you need drafted, it's because you need cannon fodder, and my life is not less important than a woman's that I can be that cannon fodder but women can't, only to then realize that same fucking person has just as much say in a countr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:06 PM
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This. To put this in to perspective, when a nation is facing a danger that requires physical strength, they use the biology excuse to justify sending men to their death to save the future of their nation. Now why don't we have the exact same excuse to force women (they can refuse with similar punishments for draft dodging") to have children to save the nation from it's impending doom due to low birth rates? When you ask that, it becomes very clear that the "Biology" line is just an excuse, we ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:04 PM
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Yeah, and if you don't send women in to battle it would be a certainty that more men will die, if not exclusively. This is why I wouldn't ever accept being drafted. No way in hell am I having women chastise me with the "Women and men are equal!" line and then suddenly go back on that when it's not convenient. I am not dying for the fucking people who used their voting power to take my country in to an unreal direction of "Progressivism" that I never fucking wanted and then get to watch THEM leav…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:01 PM
1

To some degree we have to accept that social media is used by real people who are in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:52 PM
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Oh for sure but realistically my taking part wasn't going to change that. I just wanted to talk about the matter of how men and women are responding to it. It was women on Twitter, many had their own profile picture up. If I'm wrong and most women don't think the way the ones I seen online were, I'd be happy with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 06:27 PM
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Can you show me where I said the 100 men are good?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 06:00 PM
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It was a trending matter, it was forced in front of me just like it has done for you now. It's not the sex work itself I'm talking about, what I'm referring to is the approach most women take from the matter, which is that she is a victim and the men are perpetrators, not that most women are sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 05:59 PM
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Yeah but I don't care if people like you think I'm an ass because I'm deeply uninterested in the input of people that can't get past the basic hurdle of assuming that we're all on the same page that not "All" women think the exact same, that I'm speaking towards a trend of thought on the matter when women are introduced to the subject, which is why I never said "ALL women". The answer is straight up no, I'm not doing the leg work to assure you that I'm not speaking about "ALL" women because if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:47 PM
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k.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 04:38 AM
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Good women don't facilitate 100 men gang banging them. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 04:21 AM
2

They're saying she's a victim if men decide to agree to take part.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 03:44 AM
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K, well I disagree they're worse. I disagree that she is likely a SA victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 03:43 AM
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I knew it was coming, that's the problem. Thinking women will be a certain way is one thing but being able to predict them being that way solidifies the perception you have of them. I fucking WISH it wasn't so easy to predict but it's so sadly is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 02:32 AM
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Yeah, maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:55 PM
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You portrayed the incident itself as sexual abuse, not just possible prior incidents. If that's the case, paired with this new comment, you're essentially saying she was responsible for her own sexual victimization. Yes, I think if someone is sexually assaulted that they aren't responsible for their sexual assault. Yes. I know exactly what your "debate" style is and I'm just not in the mood to humour it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:54 PM
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.......I wonder if anybody else had that exact same option. Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:52 PM
5

Perfectly fine and balanced view. (This sounds sarcastic but I'm being sincere).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:38 PM
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Lily Phillips hasn't, this isn't about Lily's perspective, this is about the perspective of the woman that are commenting on the matter of Lily.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:36 PM
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Except you're just asserting this with absolutely no reasoning behind it. I could say the exact same thing, this one woman used her fame and influence to convince men to take part in a disgusting act based on the practice of her sex work, all to promote her career with zero care for how such a disgusting act may influence them or their reputation, and she done so with 100 men. Except you would never accept that exact same methodology because a fucking vagina isn't between their leg. Absolutely r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:36 PM
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It's not even that aspect. This is one woman that done this, I couldn't possibly portray all women or even most, not even 99% of women to want to ever do such a thing, but watching them believe that if they DID do such a thing they think they can turn around and blame everybody else so that they can't be represented as doing it of their own free will if they in fact did so of their own free will is what fuels men believing misogyny has it's merits.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:33 PM
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Theeeeere it is. Why even lie in the first place? This is exactly what I'm talking about. You have no idea if this is the case, she's openly said she enjoys doing it and it's also for her career as a porn content creator. Now she's not a free agent that is responsible for it, now she's a victim free from all responsibility because SHE didn't do it, it was something DONE to her to make her a victim. You're just making assertions with no arguments and expect it to work. The answer is no. If this i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:32 PM
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PREACH!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:14 PM
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It's not even about that type of argument. If you're someone that thinks this behaviour is fine or even good, then I'd expect that. The problem is that THEY think it's bad but that the one who caused it to happen has zero responsibility for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:14 PM
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For the past ten years I have been trying so hard to give women a fair chance when it comes to my perception of them. I didn't let the Red-Pill represent them because they have a financial incentive, I didn't let the street interviewers do it for the same reason, and I stopped believing rabid Feminists represented women because it's not right to let an ideological movement force it's representation on to women. I started seeking out women's opinions on the matters related to these matters and it…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:12 PM
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Nope. I refuse this answer. I'm watching the comments from women on social media about this, 9/10 of them are calling her a victim of some kind and that the men are responsible. I WANT women to not take that position but the ones talking about it are almost uniformly taking the position her responsibility for it is at 0 and the men have all of it. Also, how are the men "Even more disgusting"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:09 PM
1

Why doesn't it make sense, and if it could be done, would you support it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:36 PM
0

That's nice, but you didn't give me a fucking reason as to why it's stupid, you just asserted that it is. Okay, what solutions? You're not saying it's not yours, the point is that you ensure you know it's yours. Nope. In that event, nope. This isn't a negotiation. The idea that if men want to ensure that their legal OBLIGATIONS are legitimate they have to have their DNA taken in case of a rape is nothing more than your attempt to weaponize the matter. But I tell you what, in that event, let's ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:35 PM
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I agree. Relationships are important but so are friendships. We need to promote men making strong bonds with each other but not treat it as a replacement for a relationship. The problem is, we're in a culture that has done everything in it's power to stamp out male spaces by forcing those spaces to allow women or they've gone in to male hobbies and tried to change them to appeal to women even when it's a community filled with 99% of men. People can't sit there and claim men should just start mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:41 PM
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I'm opposed to this too for a completely different reason. Women not having any responsibilities and being paid for entirely by their partner is simply unfair and not at all traditional. It was never traditional for women to be able to just get a free-ride in life with little to no responsibilities, traditionally they had many responsibilities. If you're not working and are being paid for by me, you're doing everything else. You're having children, you're cleaning the house every day, you're hom…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:39 PM
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Hard disagree. I'm pro-life so my position is that if the woman can't abort, the man can't abandon responsibility. That being said, from the pro-choice perspective, you can't defend the position that men shouldn't be able to opt out of parenthood at the time of the woman being pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:33 PM
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I will die on the hill that women who are opposed to mandatory paternity testing are not to be trusted, that they either have cheated or they haven't cheated but don't want the capability to lie to a partner if they do cheat and fall pregnant so they can trick a man in to raising a child that isn't theirs. This isn't hard to understand. Men can be tricked in to raising a child that isn't theirs so giving men the ability to ensure the child is theirs so that their entire life isn't a lie is moral…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:25 PM
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There's so many levels to this that essentially both are true. Men are raised and conditioned not to take their own interests on a group dynamic seriously or consider them important and any attempt to do so is perpetually responded to with distain. This has conditioned men to be able to just "roll with the punches" when it comes to societal issues regarding them. On the flip side, we're then inundated with a barrage of "women's issues" that most aren't legitimate issues and are typically used to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:15 PM
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Many of varying sizes, small towns, medium towns, large towns, and totally rural. I've moved around a lot. But notice what you ask me, you ask me how small these towns are, because even you know that if a community is small enough that the "Party girl" sleeping around becomes common knowledge amongst the community that it becomes more believable that nobody goes near her for anything serious. Sure, if you're able to "hide" it because the population of the location is so vast that nobody knows ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:05 AM
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I call absolute bull on that. I've lived in so many different communities while growing up and have kept in contact with most of my circles from each. This might be true of "party girls" that "Party" a lot but it's absolutely not true about "Party girls" that were sleeping with new men on a constant basis. This is fan-fiction you're writing. Yes, there will be SOME exceptions to the rule but the idea that all these women who half the town has slept with are marrying the average joe or better who…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:13 PM
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Bro, I feel like I'm on a different planet. You guys are acting like "Party girls" aren't just moderate to attractive girls that are party and easy to fuck. We're talking about dating here. If you guys would "date" this type of chick, then hot damn do I pity you folk as you clearly don't or didn't have any options. The "Party girls" when I was about 19-20 are all now single losers nobody will touch except the other loser dudes who all the other girls won't touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 08:01 AM
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Or maybe you can just not make everything about popular female culture about hating men to the point you get to just say the most heinous things about men on national television while men have to be put through HR and cancellation for saying anything that's a fraction. We get it, you don't think women have to make ANY changes for men, you think women are perfect, you think if women disparage men, well that's men's problem, heh, right? And if they want you to just "not do that", weeeeellllll then…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 07:55 AM
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Yes. After the whole 4B movement I decided to look in to some stuff and what I found is harrowing. I found that Republicans are significantly more likely to be/get married than Democrats. I found that Democrats have higher rates of commitment issues and infidelity issues. I found that a Social psychologist found that Democrats do not value the moral foundation of loyalty. I found that Leftists value things and people further away from their inner circles, even giving more importance to SPACE ROC…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 07:51 AM
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It won't work. Over half of women in the communities women doing this in voted with men. Conservatives never wanted "Liberal" women that go as far as the women in the 4B movement are. This is the fetish of Leftist women, the fetish that Conservatives want to fuck and wife them. We don't, we want Conservative women, this fetish is not mutual. These chicks have severe insecurities. The same reason they immediately went to "I'll withhold sex!" is because they value themselves based on sex. As soon …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 07:38 AM
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