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Yes of course, don't touch people without consent (not just the butt) Well I'm glad we agree now~ I'm still surprised by the anecdotes of people who just don't care tho (like the example). I was like 🙃 wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:40 PM
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I personally think it's hard to really agree on "obvious sign interest" because people read social cues differently. I feel we should more focused on behavioral étiquettes, like maybe Don't interrupt people in the middle of sets, respect headphones, and make the approach brief and respectful, even if they say no. Oh and dont keep trying after no 😭 Do you think this kind of approaching would be more acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:35 PM
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😭 I saw title and I was like: What's wrong with approaching people? Then I read into the example and it was like 🙃 that's not what I expected by "approaching people" I think there are two discussions here, woth the first being more debatable in the lines of "Is it okay to respectfully ask someone out at the gym?" (Which we can reasonably debate) And then there is the "Is it okay to repeatedly harass women, make sexual comments, and ignore boundaries?" (Which is basically the ecample 😭) Which I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:26 PM
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Ugh I feel this whole thread is approaching SO MANY Issues with different roots that somehow ended with "Women have it easier" 😭 I agree with one thing, issues like suicide, homelessness are more "male dominated", but I honestly think it's a broader societal issues that we should look regardless of gender. In one thread, you talk about CEO, dating apps, catcalling, homelessness, suicide, immigration, violence, geminism, etc... I think these are very dustinct topics that I really struggle with ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:16 PM
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I kinda don't know how to feel about this reply. I feel we shouldn't frame attraction as like a wrongdoing by itself imo. Like falling in love itself shouldn't be a misconduct, and I think responsibility begins once you know the answer. Like I think if one confess respectfully, accept if its a no, and move on by taking space if needed, is not unethical and is a mature response I think it's only when they can't take a No that it becomes problematic (Ofc we assuming friendship initially into attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:35 AM
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I don't think Gen Z are weirder about sex than previous generations. I'd argue that this weirdness change depending on history and culture. Like in the past we've had stigma about premarital sex, social pressure to remain virgins, religious shame, etc. These "weirdness" nust changed imo with sexual revolution and shifted more into things like anxiety, concern about consent, fear of being judged, etc. So I think its more different weirdness than more weirdness imo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:24 AM
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I think we are now wandering into a different topic. I'd question whether that's a good standard for human development. I would say this question is fundamentally different from the original debate of Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness? The former is normative, and is asking whether or not RP should focus on different thing. Whereas the latter original question is more explanatory, and my answer to it was in the lines of "Because RP optimizes for practical dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:54 PM
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I agree that everything rests on assumptions, and that we are all shaped by the culture. I think most would agree with that. But the original post is not "should people examine their beliefs", but "why doesn't red pills encourage this". The second question is much more practical about coaching. It treats dating as the primary objective when, for most healthy people, dating is a secondary outcome. Yes, Red Pill explicitly doesn't think dating is secondary. I think you can think it is wrong, and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:42 PM
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Your mistake is assuming that because something can't be reduced to a SMART goal or a measurable intervention, it isn't something people can intentionally work on. I think you misunderstood me here. I am not saying that if it isn't measurable, it shouldn't exist. I meant more in the context of coaching and advices, if you are providing advices and recommendations, it is reasonable to expect someone would ask you "what intentional actions someone can take". I am saying that no reasonably actionab…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:35 PM
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Now to your other point The point of doing the work is recognizing that many of the things we think of as "just preferences" aren't universal or innate. Beauty standards have changed dramatically across cultures and throughout history. The idealized "Sydney Sweeney look" isn't some objective human constant. Even the backlash over portrayals of Helen of Troy reflects modern Western beauty standards being projected backward. Once you recognize that, it becomes easier to ask, "Do I actually want th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:25 PM
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I'll start with the last part first, because I think it's the easiest for me to reply. What I don't understand is why so many people keep asking for a step-by-step method I don't think people ask for cheat codes, but just ask for actionable steps. Many things in life, whether school or work, are very... measurable and tangible. For example: -For self-improvement, you can have lose 20 lbs as a goal, with actions like 300 kcal deficit, lift 3 times per week, walk 8k steps everyday. -For therapy, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:17 PM
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My question would be what does "doing this work" mean? I can definitively believe that people, regardless of gender or ethnicities have been becoming more inclusive especially in countries with more multiculturalism like Canada and the US and EU. But I think there is a difference between advocating for inclusion, examining biaises, becoming friends with other ethnicities, and actually changing romantic attraction. And even if some people preference do change, it doesn't show the process itself i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:30 PM
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Of course, on a society level I think things have changed about understanding sexuality. But I think it is different from personal preference. Like I think it is undeniable that people have became more inclusive of transgender people and their rights in the last 50 years. Even if t here are still road to go (but that's a different debate) But one can hold the beliefs that: - Transgender men are men, transgender women are women, and some would identify as non-binary. - Transgender people deserve …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:25 PM
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I think this is a different argument. The Rubens example do support that societies can changr beauty standards over long period. But I don't think it supports that an individual can intentionally broaden their attraction through introspection. Most won't disagree that societies shape our beauty standards, but I think the disagreement would be that individuals cant easily reshape their preferences. We can be aware of the origins of our preferences without able to change that preferences drastical…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:07 PM
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Not RP but my critic here would be that you seem to think deconstructing these influences is as easy as to go to gym for example. Going to gym has a very concrete pathway, go gym, lift weight, sleep repeat. Deconstructing one's preference, even if influenced by culture, is much fuzzier. If you tell someone "examine why you don't find obese women attractive", you don't really have the same concrete pathway to overwrite it, if that makes sense. I think if I personally like someone with French acce…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:45 PM
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Of course 🐱 I just think it is pertinent to separate what people think and the reality. So I won't argue whether they are empirically correct, but more on a psychologically side if that makes sense. Let's imagine feminists who work in a women shelter, where a lot of women faced abusive relationship and domestic violence. I think this is a plausible example because many feminists, especially the one s involved in advocacy, volunteer or work with women who have suffered these. Now, if the majority…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:56 AM
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Honestly, I agree much more with a common thread among all feminists seems to be that Women's behaviors is not to blame and does not contribute at all to Men's issues. than with the title Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. Personally, I think I'd agree that many feminists think women are often not morally responsible because there are mitigating circumstances (self-defense and abusve for example) I think however that this claim is different f…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:37 AM
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Yea I agree, I wasn't really paying attention if it was AI but now people mention it I think it's probably AI with all the ;
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:09 AM
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Huh how am I a bot??? And how is me replying instantly screaming bot 😭 I literally get a notif on that, I also been replying on this sub from time to time too...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:58 AM
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Huh did Ido anything wrong, I was just bored and saw this post sitting with 0 comment in 3 hours
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:51 AM
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I see that no one has replied to this one in 3 hours .-. which erm I find it rare on this sub 😹 I will start by pushing back on the Title of the post, which treat Feminism as one ideology. Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. I think feminism is not a single unified ideology. There are many strands of feminism that disagree with each other on many issues, and even today feminists don't always agree on topics of prostitution, pornography, transg…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:35 AM
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Honestly yea, there is a difference asking a random gym lifter and asking Customer service, like OP is literally being employed to help the people who come seeks help, I don't know why that would be "reliant on others"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:03 PM
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Hi Lilith! I was just reading the comments for fun and I wanted to ask OP about > And not only that, they’re not aware of it and seemingly comfortable being that way. But I think I would ask you here too, if you don't mind. My question is why would someone, men or women, asking for help and being comfortable to do so be a bad thing? I feel there is a subtle value judgement here that they are asking for help without shame, as if the lack of shame is itself evidence of poor character. Ofc, assumin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:53 PM
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I think there is a big selection biais, It's like someone working in IT complaining that "Omg no one know how to use a computer nowadays..." I think when you work at customer service desk, you should expect that people who walks up to you need customer service. Like if I go to a library, is it OK for me to ask a librarian where is the book I am looking for? Ofc! If I go to a grocery store and look for a specific spice, why shouldn't I ask someone who work there which alley I can find what I need…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:48 PM
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To be fair, I don't think it's "now than ever". I don't think it has to do with ages, you can have older people who don't know how to use a DVD player (which is technology from their era) and young people who don't know how to use a computer proficiently. I've seen both men and women struggling with excel at work for example, because they just never really were taught on it. I've also met people who struggle with landlords issues but yet they are super smart people who work in quant, so I think …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:42 PM
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Hi Lilith 😸 Honestly yea I agree with almost all of this post. People do tend to accept your flaws more when you have a more agreeable personality. My coworkers saying I'm loud but at least im funny 🙃. Only place where I disagree a little would be that dating is "fair". I'd push back a little bevause I think there is also luck and timing, and it's not a meritocracy. But i don't know what word to use hmm...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:29 PM
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That's true. I think social media definitively play a big role because most people who are happy (in general, even outside of dating) don't really make Reddit posts about how happy they are. So yes, I agree that social media tend to amplify the loudest and most negative voices, which can make both sexes seem far more hostile or cynical than they really are. To your other point, I also agree that dating has never been easy. Finding someone you're genuinely compatible with has always involved a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:34 PM
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I think this is true. I think there is definitively a lot of incompatibility in the past, but people were probably more likely staying in unhappy marriage because of social expectations, financial dependance, religion/stigma around divorce. That said, I think both can be true (that there was already a diverging ideology between men and women, and that that divergence is widening) and I also think recent ideological trends may have widened some gaps that directly affect long-term compatibility~ S…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:30 PM
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Personally? I don't think Trump is anti-establishment. But below are why many of his supporters do view him as anti-establishment: To a degree, I feel he presented himself as an outsider, and promised to dismantle institutions that doesn't serve the average citizen. Like the way he communicate does clash directly with the established norms of a "politician" during his campaign at least. Andmany who supports him argue that Trump is anti-establishment because he dismantled a lot of Obama-era energ…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:33 PM
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Thank you for this table. Yea, I think you are right on that political divide, I think I misunderstood the initial 10%. I think it would make sense that the 10% is also more vocal, which give us the impression that it is bigger than it is huh
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:28 PM
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Personally? I feel it has less to do with right or left, but more with antiestablishment sentiment. We are getting a bit out of topic but I think on the left, anti-establishment sentiment has fueled support for like Bernie Sanders, and on the right... that became Donald Trump... So my broader hypothesis would be people channel dissatisfaction on different directions, but many have skepticism toward established institutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:25 PM
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That doesn't make things more difficult unless your values are extreme. I do feel that there can be ordinary disagreements can become dealbreakers in a long-term relationship, like traditional versus egalitarian expectations, religion, political values to someone who views them as reflecting their moral beliefs. Of course, this is purely personal observation but I think I definitively have seen quite a lot of people who say "don't put Moderate, that's what Conservatives put on dating apps to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:17 PM
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Honestly I can see part of that probably too. I do feel that more and more people view partnership and relationships as something that must be "added-value" instead of an obligation. I think that's a fair explanation on why people are getting pickier.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:10 PM
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I think there are probably multiple reasons and more complex than just "left hates men" But here is my speculation (no evidence oki, just from what I heard and cba to google for sources...) I feel a lot of young men grew up hearing a fairly consistent messages from their parents / grandparents, and society in general of how as a man they should work hard, get an education, get a good job, then get married and build a family. To some, the reality hasn't really matched that expectation, putting ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:09 PM
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I agree that dating probably has always been hard, and every generation might think they have it worse than others, just like how older generations tend to think younger ones are lazy 😆 I am curious if you think social media (and dating apps which didn't exist to past generations) have increased the importance of political views and gender roles as dealbreakers or there are other factors 👀
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:01 PM
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I feel there is a difference between ideology and personality. Someone can be perfectly pleasant and still have values that are fundamentally incompatible with another person's no? I think if people increasingly treat politics and gender roles as dealbreakers, then I think compatibility shrinks regardless of whether Bob is "insufferable"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:54 PM
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Do you think women and men both will change eventually? I think some men and women will just decide to stay single and give up, as we see sooo many people saying they are exhausted with dating nowadays. But my question is if both sides become less willing to compromise, why would the situation fix itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:52 PM
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Again I agree with this 😸 I think the Internet definitely tends magnify the loudest and most resentful voices. And I think a relatively small but vocal group can make it seem like a much larger proportion of men hold those views than actually do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:55 PM
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Hi Lilith 😺 It's me again. I actually agree with many points you made here He acts entitled, as though he deserves someone “better” and is being forced to settle Honestly? Fair point. Most people, men or women, don't want to feel like they are someone's reluctant backup plan. And the overall message I get from this post is mainly "Treat people like human beings rather than as disposable". It means he has to treat her like a human being. Honestly? Hard to argue against. Basic respect generally do…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:53 PM
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Honestly I think this sub has way too many sweeping generalization, They have a few anecdotes and go Women are X.... or Men are X.... People are not monolith 🙀 Else it would be so much easier
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:39 PM
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I did read your points that connect to coddling. I understand the mechanism and the ideology behind it. What I am saying is that I feel that the causal claims are too strong to be attributed to coddling alone. I will not deny that coddling affect how children behave and how these will affect their adulthood as well, but I am inconvinced to use coddling as the main driver. For example He thinks Mommy saying he is special means strangers should see him as special. Coddling is one of the plausible …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:14 PM
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I don't think it has to have one main reason that fit all. Maybe it is coddling, but it could also be masculinity norms, parenting style (which include coddling... but also like all the horror stories on r/raisedbynarcissists), culture, education, etc. For example, your autism example does show young autistic girls and boys differ in social motivation, but it does not support the claim that coddling is the cause. That's why I would remain cautious on claiming coddling as the reason why men act l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:58 PM
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My apologies. I did read the post. Let me reframe my argument clearer. My point isn't that coddling never contributes. My point is that you present it as the explanation for a very broad set of outcomes. I agree that coddling do exist and can produce the behaviors you described. But I just don't think it explains them nearly as broadly as your post suggests. My disagreement is that your post attributes a very wide range of outcomes primarily to coddling. While I do think coddling probably has an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:51 PM
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Can we please stop overgeneralizing or diagnosing with one single factor as the root cause when reality is often multifactorial? Like if you take the general stereotypes for East Asian men, you would have: - Not confident/assertive enough - Too reserved - Too obedient and too passive. And the West men stereotypes: - Too agressive/pushy - Too entitlted - Too "toxic masculin" Can I conclude that Asian mom coddle their sons less or more? Absolutely not Those stereotypes can't all be explained by "m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:51 PM
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There are three arguments that are different in this post. First, I think the argument of women and men contribute roughly to similar hours if you count paid work + housework I think there is a source here from the UN Women that found >Women, for example, often shoulder the primary responsibility for unpaid domestic and caregiving work—activities frequently excluded from economic analyses and policy debates. Men, in contrast, are typically positioned as the main earners, engaged primarily in pai…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:36 PM
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Then I think my position might be closer to what u/Present-Afternoon-70 said in her deleted comment. She made a good point by explaining that people often don't evaluate intentions in a vaccum. People naturally use heuristics shaped by their social context and experiences. That would help explaining why gender, age, skin color, etc. are often used when inferring intention. I think the discussion becomes harder when we ask when these heuristics are judtified and when they become problematic, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:25 PM
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Genuinely I don't think the disdain for this type of question from many are because thet don't want to reassure their partner, i think many just... dislike absurd hypothetical question with an emotional subtext... Like if the same woman who ask that question asked instead: If I became dependent, vulnerable, sick, or changed in ways that made me less attractive, would you still choose to care for me? I think... most people (men and women alike) might just answe Yes of course 🥺 Even if they might …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:08 PM
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I wonder if you are missing OP point a little. My understanding is that you are saying: - the two situation are not analogous because they have different history, statistical risks, and power dynamics. - therefore society judges them differently. I think this is good argument, whether or not one agree. Where I struggle more here is that OP seems to be saying that people inferred his motives without evidences. And you are saying that there are contextual reasons why people treat men and women dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:21 PM
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My question for you would be Is your goal of this post to talk specifically about child custody split (As I've seen you said a lot of commenters discuss about custody) Or would you like to talk more about your overall empirical observation that People often infer hidden motives, and you think they do it more with men than with women? I think these are 2 distinct duscussion, and I see both premises in your post. I wonder which is closer to your intention so we don't talk past each other 😸
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:11 PM
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It seems plausible to me that different people are drawn in for different reasons. Maybe one group is drawn by agency, another group by validation, a third group by grievance, and a fourth group by sense of belonging. I think without data on why people join, neither of us can confidently say it's exclusively one or the other. I'd still like to thank you for commenting tho (and showing about the quote thingy 🐱 ), it made me realize that I might have not weighted grievance as much as I should init…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:22 PM
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I really love this reply 🐱 I especially loved There are a lot of people with a lot of resentment, anger, and grievance about these topics, and they are looking for emotional validation and emotional soothing by shared commiseration with others who feel the same way. I think that is a very plausible reason, and that humans don't seek only solutions, but also validation, shared identity, and belonging. I also really appreciate the distinction you made between the RP ideology and the RP communities…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:14 PM
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Go to markdown mode. If you're on apps, it automatically is on markdown mode. Thanks, let me try! You're their greatest appeal is agency. It's not. It's misogyny. One comment I saw earlier was saying that the self-improvement is what initially draw the young men into this community, and the grievance around the worldview is what kept them hooked. I wonder if reality might be a mix of both and there are two competing explanations. Then dont mention the redpill in the very title of your post. Why …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:05 PM
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I actually find that last point very interesting, and I also agree that self-improvement advices exist in many communities. I do remain curious on why you think that RP was able to package these generic advices into an appealing thing for people who struggle in dating? Also for your last point, do you think people were initially drawn by these self-improvements advices and then stayed because of the grievance-based worldview?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:46 PM
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I think this is an interesting perspective, and I do think it is a fair argument to say that modern RP is different from the original RP. I agree that there are some RP spaces today that focus heavily on blaming women, blaming feminism, or society. Those communities definitively do exist. The part I was thinking was often the advices that accompany it, such as fitness and confidence. Even if I disagree with the worldview behind it, I feel these advices still give people concrete actions t hat th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:18 PM
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I think whether RP is misogynistic or not is not part of my argument, because I think something can be psychologically appealing while being ethically problematic. I think it is implied critique that I am talking about self-improvement and not RP, but I would like to push back on >Become a more likable person, which is the last thing the redpill wants to say. I think that a lot of RP advices, whether or not we like the framing, is about becoming more attractive socially. Some frequent examples f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:11 PM
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I think there is an interesting tension in RP, I wont deny that there is a narrative of "the dating market / society is stacked against men", but the answer that RP narrative often give is "Now go improve yourself anyway". I think this grievance can coexist because the narrative i often hear from RP is more in the lines of "Yes, the dating market is unfair. Adapt" instead of simply "Yes, the dating market is unfair".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:03 PM
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Let's reframe it more as dating norms as prescriptive gender roles. I think dating norms are one of the clearest places where those prescriptions do show up, for example, there are debates about - Should the men initiate? Or should the women initiate? - Should planning be shared? - How do traditional expectations interact with modern egalitarian ideals? I think these are broader questions that link the splitting bill one into a broader sociological questions. Of course, that doesn't mean bodies …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:24 PM
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Yea I agree with this one much more than OP Original claim because it was sweeping all women as one homogenous group. I think it's true that some women tend to overlook violent history, and that is a contributing factor in why there are so many abusive men still find relationships in spite of being violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:47 PM
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It's me again 🐱 , I think the biggest issue with this is conservatism is a very broad and messy label. I would agree with most of the arguments, like how RP often promote traditional gender roles, embrace gender essentialism, and how those ideas overlap with many socially conservative movements. However, I do not think ''Conservative" is a single coherent philosophy, because one person can be economically conservative, socially conservative, religiously conservative, libertarian, nationalist, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:28 PM
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Yea I tend to agree that are often a difference in what people claims they value and what they actually value. I think the biggest criticism is just... how sweeping and broad OP claim is
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:10 PM
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I'd argue that Chris Brown having female fans or women chasing him despite his history only show us that some women may overlook serious flaws in a celebrity. Similarly to OP original claim, he only showed that some serial killers had partners, it doesn't tell us what the overall look like. As for your fictional character example, I'd push back by saying that fictional wishes =/= true wishes, as many might want to meet Joker irl but... do they really want to meet a psychopath irl is different. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:00 PM
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I actually agree with this much more than the original text. I think there is definitively an inconsistency between people's stated preference and their behaviors. I believe the observation with the cheating one and the abs are coherent, and I also like the criticism of people who repeatedly choose a subset of women (or men) and then rationalize that all women or men are like this. I think the underlying question of Why do people repeatedly choose dynamics that contradict what they say they want…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:07 AM
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I think it is better ya, because I do see that you're using anxious attachment to describe the behaviors you mention, not necessarily the attachment theory itself. I think there might be many comments who are gonna jump on this tho, with many saying "Yea but while people-pleasing / poor boundaries / accepting bad terms behaviors can happen in anxious attachment, they aren't synonymous with it, because some may just have trauma, low self-esteem, financial dependencies, etc.😾" I think it would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:00 AM
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I agree with the text, but I think the title is actually the weakest part because the title is about AP attachment style, and... the body is telling people that having standards is good and that leaving bad relationships is good, which I think most people, regardless Red Pill or Blue Pill or no pill would agree with. I think the causal attribution between AP attachment style and the issues mentioned in the text have never been established, but I think the advices are fair and solid
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:25 AM
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Fascinating, I actually did a "bit" of research and I think you are right on point 1 😺 **I used ChatGPT to speed up the research, here is what I found using GPT (yes this section is copy pasted):*\* Antonia Abbey (1982) found that men were more likely than women to interpret friendly behavior as indicating sexual interest. This is one of the foundational studies in the area. Martie Haselton and David Buss (2000) proposed Error Management Theory, arguing that men are biased toward overperceiving …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:36 AM
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Yea I agree, I also feel it might even be more Discussion because... OP isn't really making a specific claim, they are more asking for explanations and what we think as mechanism. It's kinda like saying: Many women like a public space for a first date, why do you think happen? Most commenters won't really challenge that claim by saying "Actually no, women don't prefer public space", but would answer "safety", "comfort", etc... because there isn't much to challenge...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:37 AM
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I think that is a fair assumption based on the examples OP gave. I don't personally know any example but I saw one Redditor commented > "I'm 41 and my girlfriend is 26." We can't know if bro is Cristiano Ronaldo in disguise (who is also 41 hehe) but yea, I agree that the assumption is fair from the original post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:27 AM
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I think you are misunderstanding me, I am not saying that there must be attraction when there is a LTR. I don't disagree that some people enter in relationship for reasons other than physical attraction. I'm just saying that "some age-gap relationships lack physical attraction" does not logically imply "women have zero attraction toward older men in age-gap relationships." (which was the OP claim) Those are different claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:24 AM
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Thanks 😸 I am just a little bit sad that OP haven't engaged back :(
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:07 AM
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One thing that is fascinating from the 80% data is also that we could draw an interesting conclusion that goes against OP claim. If women, on average, are more selective in physical attractiveness (many men were rated below average), yet still enter relationships with those men, then it suggests partner choice isn't based solely on physical attraction. So that's why I don't think OP conclusion that these women therefore have "zero attraction" necessarily follows. Of course, OKCupid results aren'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:04 AM
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Yea, that's why I think it is important for us to distinguish "wealthy older men" and "older men". I struggle with this because OP originally used examples like Donald Trump, Dennis Quaid, and Johnny Depp. These people aren't representative of 60 to 70 year-old men. That is why I think one empirical question I would be very interested in would be the difference between age-gap couples, what proportion would involve an ordinary middle-class man (the average man), a wealthy man, an ultra-high-net-…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:56 AM
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Unrelated but I am stealing this image 😼
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:00 AM
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I see, my argument would then be around: Assume a 25 years-old woman in a relationship with a 70-years old man billionaire, I think it is fair to say the following: - I think many wealthy old men don't think "she desires me because I am HOT", but probably more in a "She's 25, I know I am not competing with young men in term of looks, and she probably with me because of $$$ or status". I think they may have a very realistic assessment of the relationship, which is why I don't believe the claim th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:10 PM
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In this case, I think the claim became much more modest and I would agree with it. I think it is a fair stance to say that government should give people the best chance to build healthy relationship, which would help reduce implicitly the number of people drawn to incel communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:35 PM
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I think this is a good point, attraction is probably broader than just physical attraction, especially in LTR (or else we won't have so many people asking I look good, I get so many dates, but why still single 😿 ) Finances, status, personality, values, etc. are definitively all things that can influence whether someone find another person desirable. And different people simply place different weights on those traits. So I agree totally that OP usage of "undesirable" is doing a lot of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:30 PM
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I think it is important that we distinguish between reducing loneliness and ensuring romantic sucess. I think people feel different type of loneliness, and some can have close friends, family, meaningful hobbies, while still being single. Similarly, someone could be in a relationship and still feel be single. That's why I disagree with the the claim of "Male loneliness (incels for simplicity) ". I am not so convinced that all the proposed solutions, like sports programs, mental health, activitie…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:12 PM
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This is an interesting topic but I would like to narrow down the debate into more specific questions, I wonder which one would be closer to your intention from this post? - Do men systematically overestimate romantic interest from women? - Are age-gap relationships less likely to involve mutual physical attraction? I think to me, these two are the main essences of this post so I am curious which one you would like to discuss 😺
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:58 PM
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I am not generating answers from AI... I am simply here because I enjoy the process of debate and ideas, even if I might be less interested in politics... My understanding is you concede that evolutionary psychology by itself isn't enough to classify an ideology as political, but added that only if it is used as foundational assumptions. Where I remain unconvinced is that this inference necessarily follows. Evolutionary psychology is judged as political because it conflicts with norms... This ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:20 PM
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Thank you for this reply 🐱 I think we're narrowing the disagreement. It seems to me we've shifted into a discussion about epistemology and the history of political ideas. If I understand your position correctly, you're saying: Red Pill adopts evolutionary explanations. Those explanations have historically been used in political conflicts with feminism. Therefore, Red Pill belongs to that political tradition. I think that's a coherent argument about the historical origin and context of the ideas.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:39 PM
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Exactly, I agree with this one. What I am most interested in from OP would be if the main variable is "women" or if there are other variables. For example, people, regardless of gender, do behave differently with coworkers when manager is present or not. This is why I wonder if OP think it is purely women the variable, or if there are other sources of social pressures.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:41 PM
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So now the core premise of the topic has shifted from "Men Can Only Truly Fraternize Where Women Are Absent" into "Men struggle to fraternize when there's mutual romantic interest and competition." These are not equivalent claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:37 PM
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Before debating the claim, I think we need to define "fraternize." Do you mean simply being friends, forming deep emotional bonds, or interacting without status competition? Those aren't equivalent, and the answer changes depending on which definition you're using. I think the word only is doing a lot of work here. Sexual competition is certainly one source of tension in male friendships, but men also compete over status, career success, athletic ability, and social dominance in all-male environ…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:32 PM
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That is fair, and I agree that since it's a hypothesis rather than a statistics, I am curious about what leads you to think the underlying distribution is close to 50/50 rather than, say, 70/30 or 20/80?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:25 PM
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I agree that there is a big population, but I would push back on saying that law of large numbers makes it comes down to a 50/50. The Law of Large Numbers is about sample averages converging to an expected value as the sample size increases. It does not imply that if there are two mechanisms, they'll each explain 50%. For example, If the true proportion were 80/20, then as your sample gets larger, your observed proportion approaches 80/20, and not 50/50. So now I'm curious what makes you think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:22 PM
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That's fair, I agree that both mechanism exists. My intuition however is that, for many people, one mechanism is usually more dominant than the other in starting the loop. I don't think the average case necessarily weight both mechanisms equally. Do you think the evidence points to them being roughly 50/50, or are you using "equally" more to mean that both are important?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:16 PM
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I'm curious what you mean by "violation of the social contract." Are you making a descriptive claim (that many lonely men perceive society as having broken an implicit promise), or a normative claim (that society actually bears some responsibility)?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:11 PM
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I see, please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that you are saying: Yes, anger can exist beforehand due to parents or friends, but repeated romantic rejection is usually the dominant cause. Which if I distill, comes down to Romantic rejection is the primary engine of resentment. My opposite position would therefore be that For many people, resentment is already substantially formed by earlier experiences, and dating rejection mainly amplifies it. I think we are getting into a de…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:06 PM
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I agree that people aren't born angry or resentful. However, I was asking whether, for many people, anger develops from other experiences before repeated romantic rejection, making the causal direction less straightforward. The question would be I see at least three plausible models, and I am curious to see which one you think is closer to your post: Rejection -> Anger Anger -> Rejection A third factor. Maybe trauma, depression, insecurity, etc, -> Both. The question is mainly about the temporal…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:59 PM
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I think there aren't much challenge I can do here, because I think the conclusion is almost tautological, - Repeated rejection can make people angry, - Being angry make people... less attractive - Therefore, rejection and anger can reinforce each other I think this is not so controversial so I would like to push a bit deeper and ask: Do you think the anger appear before rejection for many people? And I think this is where we may find more disagreement and debate 🐱
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:50 PM
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Hehe, please correct me if I am wrong but I think you agree with my distinction but disagree with my conclusion right? I think you are saying that Red Pill dating assumptions conflict with feminist assumptions, therefore they become political. I agree Red Pill has political implications and frequently conflicts with feminist ideas about gender. Where I remain unconvinced is whether that makes politics part of its core ideology, or whether politics is a consequence of its claims about dating and …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:09 PM
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I think I wasn't clear enough in my usage of "expectation". Let me clarify. What I meant by "expectation" would be closer to: There are implicit expectations about the context of emotional sharing, not expectations about which emotions are allowed. I think you interpret it maybe more as People only want men to express certain acceptable emotions. What I truly meant is that People generally expect vulnerability to be proportional to the relationship. To give you an example: - Telling to a girlfri…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:29 PM
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I think the issue isn't as much about whether opening up or not, but more a mismatch in expectation. I think it depends a lot on with how, when and whom you share it. There is a difference between opening up about some doubts and fears or feelings with your 10 years long S/O and opening up about deep insecurities or trauma with someone you just met a month ago on dating app. I feel the latter would be overwhelming regardless of whether you are a man or woman because most people don't want to bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:34 PM
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I think you are overlapping many issues into one. Firstly, I think there is a big difference between opening up about loneliness, romantic rejection, intimacy, and just about sex. As many replies pointed out already, many men do also open up about trauma, insecurities than just "I can't get laid". And many men who say "I can't get laid" are often expressing a deeper desire to feel wanted, loved, or emotionally connected, even if they're communicating it poorly. Secondly, I'd say that vulnerabili…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:27 PM
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Oh yea, it's a bit out of topic but we recently had a shooting linked to Incel ideology in Montreal and the shooter had written a manifesto which had many anticapitalist and antiporn arguments alongside many misinterpreted Marxist ideology. So I think they definitely exist but I can't say how common or how vocal they are online~
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:03 AM
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I think we have went up on another level in abstraction again, and we are now talking about classification. I actually find this interesting 😃 You say that "Shared foundations create philosophical families". I would like to challenge this premise. My question would be: "Is gender essentialism actually the premise of Red Pill?" I'm not yet convinced that gender essentialism is the premise of Red Pill. It seems equally plausible that someone could argue the framework begins from evolutionary psych…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:16 AM
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First of all, I'd like thank you for this debate so far because it has been super entertaining and intellectual for me. I think broadly, we are no longer debating on whether abortion or gender dynamics part of Red Pill. I think we are now entering "Is gender essentialism sufficient to classify a philosophy as conservative?" Here is what I would like to challenge: I disagree that that "Gender essentialism is one of the defining features of traditional social conservatism." is equal to anything bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:45 AM
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I don't think that's a category error. If anything, I think we're making the same distinction. You argue that gun control is a policy conclusion derived from deeper feminist principles rather than a defining principle itself. That's exactly the distinction I was trying to draw between defining principles and contingent policy positions. Now back to the Red Pill topic... I agree that "controlling female sexuality, punishing women for sexual autonomy, obsessing over purity/body count, and enforcin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:10 AM
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Yes, I never said that feminism isn't a progressive political view. However, by claiming that universal healthcare, immigration policies, and stricter gun control is a defining principles of feminism, it leads to the following question. For example, "Can someone oppose stricter gun control and still be a feminist?" If the answer is yes, then Gun Control is contingent, not a defining principle of feminism. That's the distinction I'm trying to make between: "Do most feminists support X?" "Is X a d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:47 AM
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I think this is where we differ philosophically. I don't think Red Pill adherents are politically homogeneous, which is another reason why I'm hesitant to say that the broader political views of many adherents is the same as the Red Pill defining framework. If adherents can redefine an ideology simply by commonly adopting additional beliefs, what criterion do you use to determine which beliefs become part of the ideology and which remain incidental? For example, if 90% of feminists supported a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:43 AM
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I think Incels are touchy politically because they have never been truly politically homogenous. I have seen incels who argue things like: - capitalism makes dating/sex like commodities - wealth inequalities exacerbates hypergamy - and abolishing capitalism would improve dating outcomes. These people tend to be more left leaning as socialist/communist/anarchist/anticapitalist/etc... And I have also seen incels who argue more: - feminism caused the problem - traditional gender roles should return…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:34 AM
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I don't think we disagree on the overlap. My only point was that overlap doesn't necessarily imply constitutive principles. I don't think every political position commonly held by feminists becomes part of feminism's defining framework, and I'm applying the same standard to Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:26 AM
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I think "women's access to healthcare" is a different example than "universal healthcare," which was what I meant. Let's take stricter gun control as an example then. Many feminists would also support stricter gun control. However, gun control itself isn't a core tenet of feminism because feminism is fundamentally more about bodily autonomy, self-determination, and dismantling power imbalances. I think there are absolutely feminists who also support gun ownership, for example some liberal femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:55 AM
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Let me clarify my example. My point was that, for example, many feminists support universal healthcare. But I wouldn't say that universal healthcare itself is a **defining** tenet of feminism. That was the distinction I was trying to draw with Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:37 AM
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I think we should make a distinction here. For example, many feminists hold progressive political views, such as universal healthcare, immigration policies, or stricter gun control. But I wouldn't conclude that those positions are defining principles of feminism itself. Similarly, many Red Pills may have conservative positions on abortion or immigration, but that doesn't necessarily make those issues part of Red Pill core ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:24 AM
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I agree that Red Pill communities often discuss politics, but I am less convinced that politics is clearly part of the ideology. To illustrate what I mean, I think if I opened a book about the core ideology of Red Pill, I would find mostly ideas about: - dating dynamics - attraction - hypergamy / status - self-improvement. Whether or not I agree or not with these ideas are another discussion. I would expect less to find positions on immigrations, abortion, taxation, or constitutional law. That i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:13 AM
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I think that's a bit of a leap. People in a community can discuss politics without the community's central framework being political. I think saying that there is substantial overlap between *Red Pill communities and certain conservative political movements* is very plausible and I think I have observed this in many online space too, but claiming that Red Pill itself as an ideology *increasingly* overlap with conservative politics seems like a bold claim to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:12 PM
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I think there are 2 big leaps that I really disagree with. > Outside of the capital, there are many small communities, mb that is what the rets of the world needs. Ruralisation and a return to tight knit communities where people know each other and you can approach anyone if you have a problem. First, even if Mongolia is unique because of its rural communities, it doesn't follow that ruralization is what the rest of the world needs, or that it explains the gender outcomes you're describing. > Fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:43 PM
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I think the burden is on you to support that claim. Saying "most cultures would view Mongolian masculinity as masculine" is a broad empirical statement. Your ancient China example actually shows that different cultures have emphasized different masculine ideals throughout history. When you say 'traditional Mongolian masculinity,' which characteristics are essential to your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:05 PM
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I think you're answering a different question. You explained why Mongolia is traditionally masculine, but not why that's a positive. Could you elaborate on what positive outcomes you attribute to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:01 PM
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I think the biggest issue with the argument is that "traditional masculinity" isn't a universal construct. Traditional masculinity in Mongolia, Korea, Japan, the US, or Scandinavia can differ substantially because they're shaped by different histories, economies, and cultures. Saying "Mongolia proves traditional masculinity is compatible with gender equality" assumes that traditional masculinity means the same thing everywhere, which I don't think is true. A nomadic pastoral society developed di…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:27 PM
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I didn't. I'm not claiming they put in enough effort. I'm saying failure alone doesn't demonstrate they didn't. That's the inference I'm questioning. We cannot infer the amount of effort solely from the outcome, because the outcome depends on more than effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:43 PM
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I think the difficulty is that relationships involve two autonomous people. A result can be satisfying for one person and disappointing for the other, even if both put in effort. For example, two people may both want marriage, but one wants it sooner than the other. If they break up over that, one may find the relationship satisfying while the other doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:38 PM
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I agree with this statement. People should put efforts to become a better version of themselves. But I don't think it's the same as your original claim. Saying people can improve themselves or search more effectively is different from saying unsuccessful people necessarily didn't put in enough effort. The former is advice (a very good one). The latter is a causal explanation of failure. Those aren't equivalent claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:02 PM
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I think we're using 'enough' differently. If by 'enough' you mean 'enough to improve your chances,' then I agree. If you mean 'enough to obtain the desired outcome,' then I don't. Effort can increase the probability of success without ever guaranteeing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:47 PM
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'Enough' implies there exists some threshold of effort that guarantees attraction. Do you believe any woman can be attracted to any man if he simply tries hard enough? If not, then lack of success alone can't demonstrate insufficient effort. Because for example, I think most people would reject this, since - She wants children but he doesn't. - She isn't physically attracted to him. - They have fundamentally incompatible values. - She simply doesn't develop romantic feelings. I believe no amount…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:42 PM
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I think I understand your broader framing now, and I think we're interpreting OP's framing differently. Since OP connected it to dating, consent, and whether a woman's "yes" is really a "no," I read "rapist" in the ordinary sexual sense rather than the broader metaphorical sense of violating agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:31 PM
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I agree that there is a strong argument to be made that it is rape in the sense that the continuation of sex when Nikki was crying and weeping even if she did not explicitly say No (please correct me if I was wrong, I do not remember this detail) does show that it was consent not being expressed clearly which would constitute rape. My original point however adress the OP claim that "the majority said that the main point of the movie was that "anyone can be a rapist"", which in my understanding m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:17 PM
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Respectfully, I believe we are talking past each other. My argument comes from the initial wish. Many people have wished they could be with someone who didn't like them back. If given a magical wish, they might make that wish without immediately thinking through the autonomy implications. This is in recognition of human impulsiveness, not an endorsement of what follows. "So you'd keep going after seeing the victim begging you to stop?" I never said I would. There is an argument to be made from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:54 PM
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I personally dont think the movie is really about rape... the way how I see it is really just a more discussion about free will and agency, in a sense that the wish itself violate Nikki's autonomy. But I also do think Bear wasn't a rapist or malicious, in a sense that people often do have desires and wishes that are... often unattainable when it involves another person. I think most of us had crushes when we were younger that we wish we could end up with, and it turns out they don't have the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:29 AM
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Yea, I totally agree with you now, I think it is solid thinking that if one's ideal relationship require profound trust, then the Red Pills mindset that encouraging viewing your partner primarily through suspicion or grievance is most likely to work against those goals...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:30 PM
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I appreciate this clarification, I think you are not saying "women should obey men", but more in a vow sense right? as in to love, honor, and obey in a "the wife voluntarily accepts her husband's leadership (and final say) within the marriage" way, without saying "the husband can command whatever he wants to the wife". I also agree with your point "If the husband loves his wife the way Christ loves the Church he would not have half the views and demands the men in these online spaces sometimes h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:22 PM
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There has been many waves of feminism and the first wave feminism was mostly about voting rights and property rights. (Suffrage) Second wave feminism was more toward employment, legal equity, and reproductive rights. iirc the third wave in the 1990s was more about how women have different life experience and upbringings, and it has a lot of intersectionality. And the fourth wave that is still ongoing relates more toward safety, consent, sexual harassment, with also inclusion of LGBTQ+ issues. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:13 PM
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Correct me if I am misunderstanding this, but is it fair that I interpret this text as that OP is claiming that in a healthy leadership-driven relationship, where the leader is the man, it would be earned through competence, care, and trust, and not demanded? I think the usage of the word "obedience" does create confusion, but I do feel that the overall message lies in the fact that if you want someone to follow your lead, whether at workplace or in a marriage, you need to show that you are comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:07 PM
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I think OP shouldn't have use the word "obedience" in this post. I'd use maybe more "deference" or "following someone's lead". My understanding from OP post is that the core claim is that "Healthy leadership in a relationship, if a couple chooses that dynamic, is earned through competence, care, and trust, and not demanded."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:00 PM
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I think we are closer to agreement than we think My understanding from the OP Post was that he mainly said women should take more precautions, even tho the title is... somewhat inflammatory. And yes, I agree there is no point in living in constant fear, but I also think the simple precautions that OP proposed are low-cost habits. I just think meet in public, tell a friend where they're going, don't leave your drink unattended, are pretty mild precautions more similar to don't text and drive inst…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:57 PM
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These statistics are in fact true, but I do feel they are a little bit out of the scenarios OP was talking, since he was mainly talking about meeting a new date or going to a stranger house, which are all stranger and new-acquaintance situations. And I think while it is regrettable and sad that women are hurt the most by their close partners, the fact that women (and men) should take precautions when meeting new people for their own safety doesnt invalidate each other. One point where I agree wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:24 PM
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I laughed at the 50/50 chance. I know it's hyperbole but I find it really funny. But yes, I agree with the principle that the world isn't always fair and gentle, and people should protect themselves and trusting instincts more Sadly some men are victims too, not necessarily from stabbed, but there has been criminal cases where in various countries (including China, where I come from) where people were baited on dating apps for money and even more :( So yes, protect yourselves everyone :D
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:09 PM
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I actually agree with most of the practical advices here and I think they apply to both men and women. I just... really dislike the framing that this is a women specific thing because I feel the leap is a little bit too big. Like genuinely, these are good advices - Tell someone where you're going. - Meet in public. - Don't leave your drink unattended. - Trust your instincts. - If someone gets angry at reasonable safety precautions, leave. But I'd still like to say that humans in general often un…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:57 PM
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My apologies if I misunderstood but I think you agreed that it will take more than one generation for men to adapt like women have right? If that is the case, I think the friction really comes from this transitional period. However I would say it did take more women more than 40 years as first wave of modern feminism started in the 19th century. The last 40 years of social and legal changes were built on decades and centuries of activism and cultural change beforehand
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:03 PM
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I think there is some truth to that, I do think people often generalize an entire sex instead of recognizing that they're repeatedly choosing the same type of person. If someone consistently dates manipulative or emotionally unavailable partners, that's a pattern worth reflecting on. It doesn't mean everyone of that sex is like that, but it might mean there may be something about the people they're selecting or the traits they're prioritizing. I think it's more helpful to judge individuals than …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:57 PM
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I don't think it's a lack of resilience so much as a matter of time. Society spent decades redefining women's roles, so I'd expect redefining men's roles to take decades too. We're asking people who were largely raised under one set of expectations to navigate a very different social and economic landscape. That kind of cultural adjustment rarely happens in one generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:49 PM
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I think we're in a transition period. Women didn't adapt to changing social roles overnight either, it took decades of cultural and legal change. I'd expect men to adapt as well, but social norms and expectations don't change in a single generation. Many young men were largely raised by parents and mentors whose advice reflected a very different dating and economic landscape. Right now we're in that awkward period where older expectations and newer realities are overlapping, which naturally crea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:46 PM
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The methodology was as follows The survey included 1,495 U.S. adults ages 18 to 34 with at least one living parent who they have contact with (excluding any panelists currently enrolled in high school). So yes I definitively agree that "Young Adult" ranging from 18 to 34 is a BIG RANGE and while it includes Gen Z, it also included younger Millenials. Study was done in 2023.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:54 PM
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There was a survey that showed 57% of young men wanted children vs 45% of young women. But I think the difference isn't THAT big imo, still interesting tho n=1495 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/15/among-young-adults-without-children-men-are-more-likely-than-women-to-say-they-want-to-be-parents-someday/ It's in a weird zone because some other survey showed there is no meaningful difference for desire in marriage between genders So i think it is fair to conclude there is no meanin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:04 PM
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I think 99% is a very dramatic exageration by far but Slavery did existed in Ancient Greece / Rome, etc. Historically, I think chattel style slavery did decrease in Medieval Europe as it's slowly being replaced by serfdom, but slavery did continued in some parts of Europe such as the Viking slave trade (~8th to 11th century, in Norse societies) and the Mediterranean slave trade that lasted to 19th century) It is interesting because Western Europe slowly shifted from Roman-style chattel slavery t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:43 PM
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I think choosing the clergy as an example is weak choice because most clergy members choose celibacy voluntarily and it's often celebrated within communities Large number of unmarried men did existed in history but I think most were unmarried because of economic conditions, social institutions, or demographic shocks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:26 PM
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It’s mostly economic and social tbh. In poorer countries, kids are often part of the labor force and also act as a form of “retirement plan” since there’s less social security. Add in lower access to contraception and education, and you naturally get higher birth rates. In richer countries it’s the opposite—kids are expensive, people delay them, and women have more career options, so fertility drops.
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