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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS-fOh1CfhQ
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 04:46 AM
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That doesn't really add to the thread. Of course there are good people who wouldn't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 07:56 AM
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Women have always and will always be more desirable/important than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:30 AM
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Negative thoughts and feelings towards women. Wonders why women don't set him up with their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 05:06 AM
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So parents?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 07:09 PM
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Maybe arguing with someone about them arguing about someone about their own personal happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 07:04 PM
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You said half the men not in a committed relationship are single willingly, meaning the other half are incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 12:09 AM
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Yeah, I don't know why you think women don't chase after men they're interested in, but believe whatever you want to believe. This conversation is a bore, I'll see myself out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:58 AM
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I don't believe quality in men can be pinpointed with 1 or 2 components like wealth and strength, it's multifaceted, however some things are self-evident. I would say a man with a stable job and housing as higher quality than an unemployed homeless man. A respectful gentleman is higher quality than a foul-mouthed hooligan. An athletic man who takes care of his health is higher quality than a slob that eats McDonalds all day. You're right, most women aren't waiting around for a prince charming, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:25 AM
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69% of men are in committed relationships, which would mean 15% are incels with your stats. If you look at it by age, 37% of men under 30 are in a committed relationship, meaning almost 1/3rd of men under 30 are incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 10:10 PM
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Cosmetic industry is at more than half a trillion dollars a year, but yeah, most women don't try and attract higher quality men...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 09:47 PM
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Do you think the number of arms someone is born with is a spectrum because some are born without?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 02:57 AM
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Where do you get your numbers from, because they are WAY off. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pregnancy-loss-miscarriage/symptoms-causes/syc-20354298 From ~10% chance between 25-29 to ~20% chance at 35. That's ~7-15% increase per year. At 45 it ranges from 57%-80%. Between 35-45 that's ~11-15% increase per year. EDIT: Note, this is JUST miscarriages, this does not include other pregnancy issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 02:13 AM
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Pretty ignorant of you to say that Trans women don't date women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 02:42 AM
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"There is a very big difference between murder-suiciding your spouse and murder-suiciding your young child, and murder-suiciding your young child if your partner is present." Is this what you think, or what you think society thinks?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:46 AM
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You think women are more likely to be illogical and take fuckbois seriously. I think men are just as illogical and there are a shit ton of simps that will take whores seriously. This isn't a situation where we are exclusively talking about 1 sex and I'm coming in with a "Well, what about xyz". I'm not having trouble being critical of women, you're the one who's having difficulty being critical of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:04 AM
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You can swap the genders and it'd still apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 06:45 PM
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From what I've seen, the standard is actually pretty uniform. Men see promiscuous men as empowered and promiscuous woman as whores. Women see promiscuous women as empowered and promiscuous men as fuckboys.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 01:50 AM
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So you're telling me people don't fight to have their privilege's taken away? Color me shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 09:24 PM
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Do you also think it was wrong when people said it was idiotic for everyone to be forced to wear masks, or does the science just change like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 10:42 PM
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And when the statistical evidence doesn't align with peoples anecdotal evidence, it indicates that bias might be at play. I guess you wouldn't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 10:27 PM
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What we see in our daily lives isn't part of the discussion about what we see in our daily lives? Some would rather hear others real life experience, you'd rather hear from a "poll of 1,000 people." Go off though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 09:10 PM
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Or, their lived experience is different then yours. Maybe their mall is just filled with old people doing laps, mine is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 08:06 PM
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When people makes these kinds of arguments, in my head, I imagine them arguing why female angler fish don't attach to the males and make them do all the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:26 AM
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Are you implying shallow and gold diggers = hypocrites?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:18 AM
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OP's entire argument assumes this AND that men and women have the same sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:16 AM
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Your analogy isn't hypocritical either. Firstly, your example makes it sound like she doesn't trust him fully for whatever reason. If I have a partner who cheated on me that I took back, me being allowed to go to bars and them not isn't hypocritical. Secondly, even if she did trust him, her preferring a guy who doesn't go drink at bars is a preference she's allowed to have, even if she likes to do her girls' nights. To be clear, I also don't think it's hypocritical for a guy who goes to clubs no…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:59 AM
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You kind of proved his point. Nobody calls poor women who marry for money hypocrites, the same way no one calls short women who prefer tall men hypocrites. It's called a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:38 AM
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This would be hypocritical if you thought men and women had, on average, the same sex drive and the same preferences in partners. Do you also think shorter women are hypocritical for preferring tall men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:21 AM
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Didn't repeat myself, quoting the person you replied to. I'm not blaming women, I'm asking you if it's acceptable to benefit from a system you didn't create, blame-free.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:02 AM
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"Not hearing much concern here for dropping male graduation rates, college attendance, 85% divorced female vs. male child custody rates, disparity in incarceration and sentencing rates by gender..."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:56 AM
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Ahhh, so because you didn't create the issues, it's perfectly acceptable to benefit from them blame free?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:47 AM
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" A long list of systematic and cultral issues."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:28 AM
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So you think she likely wouldn't give validation and emotional labour?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 01:31 AM
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It's wild to me that you always hear women saying "Women aren't a monolith" "Women are all different", except when it comes to stuff like this. Now all of a sudden, "Women are the same everywhere".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 07:27 PM
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I'd guess about 50% if I needed to get the date right there and then. Probably 75%+ if I can just chat with them and get the date later. I'm a fairly attractive guy, 6ft, incredibly sociable and 34 years old. It might come off as egotistic, but I know I'm a catch. Also, most single women my age are looking to settle down real quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 07:20 PM
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Ok, now instead of injured, let's say they'll be emotionally hurt for a couple hours. Would you still take the tough mudder path?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:06 PM
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the ability to cognitively realize some complex topics such as wondering about meaning of life, interpersonal interactions, problems with institutions and society, horrors of the world, etc. but they're at an age where they still can't emotionally deal with those things they're able to cognitively grasp earlier than their peers. That seems like having too high an EQ for you're age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:54 PM
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In that case, ghosting them is still a cowardly move because it is difficult to tell someone you’re not into them, but it’s the right thing to do and it’s better for your soul. There are for sure people who ghost because they are cowardly, there's no denying that. I'm just saying from my own personal experience and from talking with guys and girls who've ghosted others, it seems like it's usually because they simply don't care. Just because someone refrains from doing something that is difficult…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:51 PM
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This is where your subjective take on what "the right thing", is clouding your senses. EDIT: To some, the right thing to do when someone insults you is to fight them, because in their view, letting someone insult you and not doing anything about it is cowardice/lack of courage. To others, the right thing to do is walk away, because why bother, the person who insulted you means nothing and their opinion is just as worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 09:54 PM
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It's not my fault you can't acknowledge generalizations for their merit rather than say every generalization is bad. You also don't seem to understand that generalization's aren't meant to encompass every single person and is used to...wait for it...generalize. Of course there are some men who care about people the same way women generally do and some women who are indifferent towards people like men generally are. If you want to argue the merit of what I said, so be it, I'll gladly debate the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 09:49 PM
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I was going to say something very similar. IQ and EQ are actually very closely linked, someone with a high IQ is also likely to have a higher EQ than normal. I believe the study found that they were correlated until 130+ I believe and then EQ would taper off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 09:36 PM
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I don't think it's cowardice most of the time, but rather indifference. People who ghost simply don't care and rather not deal with the back and forth that will arise from breaking things off. The end result is going to be the same whether they do it nicely or ghost, they'll never speak to them again.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 09:20 PM
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The men who are feeling lonely and struggling in dating are not the same men who have high standards. Speaking as a single guy in the second category, I've been single for more than a year now and I don't feel lonely at all (though I have had FWB's during that time). It's sort of similar to the difference in sexlessness between the genders. It's not that I can't get sex, it's that I don't really care all that much if I have sex on any particular night (also, NSA sex usually brings more of a head…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 09:13 PM
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This is why I say, go on dates to places you excel in. You might not be an alpha at the bar, but you'll look incredibly knowledgeable and in your element at a VR lounge for instance. If you're good at communicating and expressing yourself right off the bat, a first date at a coffee place will do you good. If you're not good at communicating, those long awkward silences are going to be the death knells to her attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 09:05 PM
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Men care about some women. Women care about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:49 PM
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Only if you think not caring about other people in general is bad. EDIT: It's funny because I was called misogynist for saying women care too much. So I guess I'm both?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:41 PM
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People don’t care about other people in general. I disagree fundamentally. I think men don't care about other people in general, but women care too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:49 AM
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Anyone who argues that money doesn't help is completely delusional and there's no real point in debating them because it's always going to come back to "Well it doesn't matter to ME".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:41 AM
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It's hilarious to me all these women saying it needs to be discussed and agreed upon by both partners, yet shit on Jonah Hill for basically asking his ex to quit her job when he wanted to start a family. It's almost like it's completely reasonable for a multi-millionaire to ask his gf to quit her job so they can start having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:11 AM
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I mean, it's no longer the vast majority, but it's still the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 01:32 AM
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she probably has single friends she'll set you up with if she thinks you're a good guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 05:45 AM
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One of the problems with modern dating is that men think they need to go to one extreme or the other. If you're too passive and don't try to make any moves on a girl, she's going to think you're not that into her. Women also like the feeling of being chased and being appreciated, there is so much subtlety involved with complimenting/moving things in a sexual direction without coming off as creepy. The good thing is, if you're on a first date, she's going to be much more open to it than a random …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:37 PM
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The men complaining about being single and the men who won't date someone chubby are not in the same grouping.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:41 AM
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I think an important context to the situation is that he was a multi-millionaire looking to start a family. If Jonah was a bum whom leeched off his girlfriend and asked her to change those things, my opinion would be very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:53 PM
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From most to least: 7,2,6,3,5,4,1
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 06:42 PM
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If that's the case, I take back him being an asshole and double down on her being an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 01:30 AM
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There's nothing saying she didn't have her wallet. I'm 100% sure she had her phone and you can pretty easily transfer money in a few seconds now a days. And how did she expect to get home in the first place? I doubt it, she seems like the type of women to go live during her walk home and bitch/complain about the guy the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 01:16 AM
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It seems like he knew she didn't have her wallet with her or another way to get home from his place, hence why she walked 3 blocks. Unless you're making the claim that she walked home 3 blocks at 2am out of spite.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 01:04 AM
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Whether it was 3 blocks through the hood or a well lit upscale neighborhood, it's irrelevant to me. I make sure my friends get home safe and I'll harass you with texts and calls until I get confirmation you're home alive. Yes she could have paid him, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. He should have just taken it upon himself to pay for it and if he was really hung up on it, ask for the money back another time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:48 AM
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No fair, asian don't raisin.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:37 AM
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There's a statistically significant % of women who look better at 30 than they do at 21. I really want to see your sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:36 AM
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No worries. It's quite interesting because black women are usually rated the least desirable, but I guess this might be a case of "look at actions not words".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:32 AM
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https://www.pornhub.com/insights/2022-year-in-review then go to popular categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:23 AM
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She was an idiot for not bringing any money to an outing with someone she has no romantic feelings for and expecting him to pay for everything. He was an asshole, because even when your going out with just a friend, you make sure they get home safe (whether it's a girl or a guy). From my perspective, neither of them thought of each other as true friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:21 AM
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Ebony is the second rated category (behind Lesbian), so by your logic, black women are the most desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:18 AM
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If she couldn't reconcile with his boundaries she shouldn't have agreed and then disregard them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:57 PM
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Can you point to me things he was getting mad about that weren't on the initial list.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:51 PM
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From my perspective it looks like him getting frustrated that she agreed with his boundaries and kept breaking them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:41 PM
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The boundary she supposedly "ignored" was her talking to other people at her place of work (the ocean). She could have listened to their couples therapist and just paddled away, but she didn't want to. She manipulated him into believing she wanted the same things he did.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:36 PM
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So vague boundaries can be willfully ignored, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:27 PM
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Just because you don't think it's a boundary doesn't make it so. If a girl tells a guy that her boundary is cheating, is that controlling and therefore not a boundary?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:26 PM
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I think it's perfectly reasonable for a multi-millionaire to ask his partner to quit her career because he wants to get serious and start a family (as he did 2 years later). It's also perfectly reasonable for her to tell him to fuck off and break up. Now if he was a bum who was leeching off of her, then yeah, his ask would be unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:09 PM
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He started off with telling her his boundaries in an incredibly respectful way, listing them off and then ending with "I am not the right partner for you. If these things bring you to a place of happiness I support it and there will be no hard feelings. These are my boundaries for romantic partnership" She agreed with all his boundaries and then he got upset when she ignored them. In my eyes, if you agree with my boundaries and disregard them, I am justified in my anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:23 PM
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Did you know that after the first one where he lists of his boundaries, she agreed to all of them and then his follow up messages that you claim are "woe is me" is in response to her not respecting the boundaries that she agreed upon? "I don't need or want: - Surfing with men without you there unless they are trusted close friends (mutually agreed upon) - Boundaryless inappropriate friendships with men - to model - to post pictures of myself in a bathing suit for the next year unless it is taste…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:14 PM
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Whether she agreed to it before or during is irrelevant. She agreed with his boundaries and then broke them. If a girl told her boyfriend that she didn't want him to interact with a female coworker anymore for whatever reason and he agreed and then did it anyways, I think we can all agree that she has a right to be upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:02 PM
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"I don't need or want: - Surfing with men without you there unless they are trusted close friends (mutually agreed upon)- Boundaryless inappropriate friendships with men- to model- to post pictures of myself in a bathing suit for the next year unless it is tasteful (likely surfing) photo you have pre-approved- to post sexual pictures- friendships with unstable women from my recent past beyond getting a lunch or coffee or something respectful..." She agreed to everything he asked and then turned …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:53 PM
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You also seem to willfully ignore the texts where she agreed to all his boundaries and are only looking at the aftermath when he is (rightfully) upset that his boundaries were acknowledged then ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:49 PM
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What if she agreed to all your boundaries and then turns around and ignores them (the same way Sarah agreed then ignored Jonah's boundaries)? Can you get mad then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:46 PM
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What about requesting someone do something and if not consent to the relationship is withdrawn?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:45 PM
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I think it's completely reasonable to get emotion and throw a tantrum when someone agrees to your boundaries and then ignores them (as Sarah did with Jonah's boundaries).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:40 PM
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What if she was fine with it at first but later had a change of heart and didn't want him doing it anymore. She thought over her insecurities and realized that it was a deal-breaker and gave him an ultimatum, either stop looking at bikini clad girls on instagram or we just aren't compatible. Would she still be a shitty partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:02 AM
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"I am not the right partner for you. If these things bring you to a place of happiness I support it and there will be no hard feelings. These are my boundaries for romantic partnership" Seems pretty clear and respectful to me. EDIT: Would you say she's the manipulative/shaming one for posting these privates texts 2 years after the fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:11 AM
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He didn't say he regretted letting her into his heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:04 AM
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It's wild to me that you think what he said was manipulation/shaming territory. If a girl had said the exact same thing to a guy I have this gut feeling that you would applaud her for respecting herself. It cuts off there, I wasn't able to find what the rest said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:43 AM
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So when a girl get's insecure because her boyfriend was looking at bikini pictures on instagram, it's her responsibility to work through it otherwise she's a shitty partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:39 AM
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"I respect your skill and your surfing" "I respect how you want to present yourself" "I respect that you're hot and beautiful" "And I respect however you want to live" "But I also respect myself" "And what I'm interested in in my own life" "And what I let into my heart and inner circle" "So celebrate yourself and your life however you please" "And shine bright" "But I don't want do have to deal..." He never said or even implied that she was the problem. In fact it went something like this: "I am…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:23 AM
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So your gripe is that he asked her to change for him. If he just told her the reason, you'd be completely okay with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:06 AM
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So he should have broken up with her and not given her the option to make that choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:57 AM
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Okay, let's rewind time to before he sent these texts. He's in a relationship with this surfer and he realizes he's uncomfortable with her career, how would you like him to bring this up?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:48 AM
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Just because you don't think a guy wanting his girlfriend to stop having bikini pics on social media is a boundary, doesn't make it so. He absolutely has the right, and she equally has the right to not accept his boundaries and leave the relationship. You sound like those redpillers who think a women who's slept with other guys on the first date can't change her mind about her boundaries and now MUST sleep with every guy on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:41 AM
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these are not reasonable things to expect your partner to change. Why not, he is a multi-millionaire who was looking for a relationship with her. Presumably she wouldn't have to work anymore and it seems like that was what he was hinting at. Just because something is unreasonable to you, doesn't mean it's unreasonable for everyone else. When you're in a relationship, your problems are theirs and their problems are yours, otherwise your just roommates who fuck every so often.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:29 AM
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It's terrifying that you think his partner DOESN'T have the right to set that boundary.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:03 AM
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What in the hell? My insecurities are 100% my partners problem as well, it comes with the territory. It's their job to make me feel secure, and if they don't want to do that it's completely reasonable for them to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:44 AM
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So when a women has a bunch of ONS then makes a new guy she's dating wait for sex, its her respecting herself and setting boundaries. Yet when a guy decides he doesn't want his partner to post bikini pictures anymore, he's just "acting" aggrieved and disrespected. Isn't that convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:11 AM
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It's weird because you hear it from some women a lot. "I do OF now, but when I find the right guy I'll stop for him." Or are you saying guys should just write off sex workers unless they're okay with her doing it while they're together?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:01 AM
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Both? We see redpillers froth at the mouth over it all the time. "If a girl sleeps with all the other guys on the first date and she doesn't sleep with you, she doesn't respect you or some other stupid shit" Honestly, I'm getting the exact same vibes from this situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:50 AM
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Did they not end things amicably? The texts seemed very polite on his behalf.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:41 AM
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Boundaries can change. Just because a girl did some crazy anal gangbangs in the past, doesn't mean she wants to do them anymore. Who are you to judge how fast or slow those changes occur?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:40 AM
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It's perfectly reasonable to ask your partner to change and it's also perfectly reasonable for your partner to tell you to pound sand and leave. This is why we have such a high divorce rate, instead of talking and seeing if things can be worked out people are just going right to "time to leave!"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:38 AM
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And? What should he have done after he realized that wasn't what he wanted? Ghost her?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:36 AM
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You're right, that is a demand. Regardless, just because you don't feel like it's a boundary doesn't mean it's not. Sure it might be a foolish boundary considering the circumstances, but it's his boundary to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:33 AM
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People change, people can want different things at different times.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:19 AM
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He did not demand that she changed, how about reading the actual texts?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:07 AM
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Yes, that would be completely reasonable for her to give that ultimatum. She is her own person and even if that's what she liked about him initially, if she didn't want him to do it anymore then it is her boundary to set. If he doesn't like it, he can leave. See how that works?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:05 AM
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Please explain how he gaslit her because it seems like you don't understand the definition of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 05:55 AM
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This comment shows that you don't see HIM as a full person. Is he not allowed to have boundaries?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 05:51 AM
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Get your male family members (preferably your father/brothers) to help vet him out. This is by far the best advice. Cook and clean every once in awhile. If I'm seeing a girl for a month and she never once cooks or cleans anything while at my place, it's not going to go anywhere. Look at his relationship with his family. Obviously some people have incredibly toxic family members, but there's usually at least a couple good ones. Look at how he treats others. You can usually tell a lot about someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 01:27 AM
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I like how you have to add manipulation because you know that's not coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 08:47 PM
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If he is wearing a nice suit and has a one night stand and doesn’t pretend to be someone else, then it isn’t. What if he does pretend to be someone else though?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 05:42 AM
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When did coercion mean tricking someone? EDIT: So let me get this straight, if a bum dresses up to look rich and tricks a women to have sex with him, she was raped?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 05:09 AM
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Yeah, it's like he's committing rape and she's committing murder, because I like to make shit up too!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 05:00 AM
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Yes, money is very useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:25 AM
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I'd disagree, they're usually incredibly charismatic and rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:07 AM
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If it makes you feel any better, men are being equally dehumanized here.
/r/AllPillDebate04/07/23 12:28 AM
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I'd actually say celebs are between 2-4 in uselessness, the 0-2 range would be unicorns.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 12:00 AM
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Did you just make this? A+ material
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 11:25 PM
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That's why it's a matrix and not a scale. He'd be a 4 in uselessness (the same way there isn't a girl whos lower than 4 on the crazy vector, it would only make sense that there isn't a guy whos lower than a 4 on the useless vector) and a 0 in hotness. While that might be in the no go zone for men, that's actually part of the marriage material zone for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 09:27 PM
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It sounds like you have a selection bias. Construction, though not the highest paid on average, is still a relatively decent career field. By default, your coworkers are going to have a higher market value than probably 50+% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 09:11 PM
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This sort of reminds me of the Hot/Crazy matrix for women. At the end he does a Cute/Money matrix for men, but I think a more comparable scale would be Hot/Useless matrix. The more hot a guy is, the more he can be useless in almost every other department (Power/Resources/Time on your scale).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 09:00 PM
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I've never experienced that personally and I went long stretches being single (2+ years), I've actually been single for more than a year and a half currently (not including fwb). Maybe it has to do with how you've shown your social skills to these friends? Do you have little to no female friends? Do you never initiate conversation with women? It sounds like they're assuming you lack these skills because you've never shown to them that you have them in the first place. My friends and family know …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 08:40 PM
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Similarly, older men warn younger men about certain types of women, such as those who are promiscuous or have children from previous relationships. Are they bitter and just coming from a place of negativity? When men make blanket statements about promiscuous/single mothers, I actually do believe it comes from a place of negatively 9 out of 10 times. It's hardly ever about "sharing their experiences" and almost always some revenge fantasy because they don't think those women are deserving of love…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 12:50 AM
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Let me hash him out, and I'll figure out if he's just looking to fuck around.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 02:55 AM
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You seem to be confused with seeing a specific subset of women as disposable and seeing the sex as a whole as disposable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 10:38 PM
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I've never heard anyone say tall women were unattractive. They might be intimidated by their height, but it's nothing like how short men are seen as unattractive. Aren't most supermodels relatively tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 10:29 PM
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They're basically the same thing. The pack leader is the most competent, otherwise they wouldn't be the pack leader. That's neither here nor there though. We aren't even talking about human societies because this tribe you've brought up is completely imaginary.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 10:24 PM
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Can you please explain to me how society views women as disposable?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 10:07 PM
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Except when we look at our closest genetic cousins (apes), we see the male's regularly kill infants and show slight partiality to their own offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:54 PM
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I agree, it's incredibly important in collectivist cultures, in fact the only way to grow as a species is to have those traits. Hence why other ape groups usually only consist of 20-30 individuals. I honestly don't even understand how you can have the internet at your fingertips and still argue that male apes invest in their offspring like humans do. They've been studied for decades and it's abundantly clear that you're wrong. I don't know if you've gotten this knowledge from some cartoon where …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:44 PM
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They absolutely do not. Male apes are at best slightly partial to their own children, more likely there's infanticide.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 08:13 AM
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It’s bc you only get good at sex in long term relationships when you are comfortable enough with each other to try whatever. I don't think this is true at all. In fact I find it to be the opposite, it's easier to do really kinky stuff with a ONS because you'll probably never see them again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 12:29 AM
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I think you're looking at the wrong demographic. Religion seems to be the deciding factor if people are homophobic, not being a straight man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:23 PM
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I don't think they understand what downplay means, maybe they think it means refute completely or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:15 PM
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Diablo 4 coming out in 2 weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:30 PM
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Absolutely not. I would never completely give up something I love doing too marginally increase the chance that I'd get laid. Maybe if I wasn't able to get casual sex currently would I entertain the idea of cutting back on gaming, but giving it up 100% isn't even an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 09:27 PM
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If they're friendly, I'm friendly back. If they're flirty, I let them know I'm not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:59 PM
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Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:54 PM
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I wonder if there's a bias in people that regularly gamble, considering they are predominantly the one's who win the lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 05:04 AM
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people dont have a choice ​ there’s enough free porn for me to look at. ​ Who doesn't have what choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 04:41 AM
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So you've been in a bunch of long term relationships with men that had options and made their intention to marry you clear and none of them ever asked you how many people you've slept with?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 04:30 AM
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What's your view on sex work/sexual film industry work? Do you think 18 year olds are too young to be in these industries and there should be a higher age limit (if so what age?)?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:54 AM
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I think the biggest hurdle I had was my possessiveness. I get attached pretty easily (especially after sex/cuddling) and even though I go in thinking "awesome, no strings attached fwb, sign me up!" I somehow always end up emotionally invested. The only time when I can keep this from happening is when I know she's sleeping with other people, then the rational side of my brain reminds me that she's not mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:37 AM
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That's your prerogative, for most men the circumstances are vaguely important to not important at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:24 AM
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If you're not married or he hasn't made the effort/intentions known, I only consider it dating. Guys will stay "dating" indefinitely, depending if they eventually find the fairy tale wife they're actually looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:22 AM
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For now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:18 AM
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Can you link me to the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:15 AM
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I think this red pill idea that you need to make your intentions clear from the start (tell a girl straight off the cuff that you're only interested in her in a romantic/sexual way) is an incredibly bad approach for most guys. This might work if you're attractive or wealthy but for the average guy I think it's a huge turnoff for girls. Approach a girl to be friends with her first and vet her out before even taking it a step further (asking her out), it shows that 1. you have more standards than …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 06:12 AM
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I honestly can't wait for artificial wombs to become more accessible so anti-abortionist can finally take the unborn children themselves instead of bitching and moaning. "YOU'RE A MURDERER AND SINNER FOR KILLING UNBORN BABIES" "Oh, here you go then, you can have them." "...wait wut?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:59 AM
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I think there's a lot more nuance to this. People will sleep with and even "date" other's they have no intention of marrying or having a LTR with. So a guy might still prefer his future wife to be more natural but will fuck a girl with heavy makeup. The same way a girl will want a guy with a better personality to marry but fuck the hot tall guy. You can have different preferences for different circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:52 AM
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inb4 “we care we just don’t have options!” That's partially true, but you'll notice that the guys who never ask those types of questions are the one who don't have options. Guys with options will almost always ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:48 AM
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Am I going back in time too when I was 21 or is this like Freaky Friday where I switch bodies with a pretty 21 year old girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 05:04 AM
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The problem is, most men can't be choosy. It really boils down too having enough self-respect to have boundaries and cross referencing that with having enough self-awareness to know what kind of girl you can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:52 AM
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I'm single and I have many female friends. I don't go out of my way to become friends with females but to be honest I also don't go out of my way to be friends with guys either. This is one of the things that turned me way off of RP, this notion that men and women can't be friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:45 AM
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"Hey, this bunch of guys asks stupid ass questions. So therefore all men must be stupid." - You
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:32 AM
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You first.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:25 AM
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All I can comment on is my experience from 20+ years ago, but I don't recall anything unsafe. To be fair I was 10 at the time, so I could be completely off base.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 03:02 AM
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Sure, rewrite things however you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 02:34 AM
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"According to Maslow, the next need in the hierarchy involves feeling loved and accepted. This need includes both romantic relationships as well as ties to friends and family members. It also includes our need to feel that we belong to a social group. Importantly, this need encompasses both feeling loved and feeling love towards others."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 02:26 AM
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Because I think it's a silly way of splitting costs. If I'm making 100k a year and she's making 50k, I don't want to live in a shitty rental apartment because that's all she can really afford to split. I would preferably want to combine our finances, but if we're really into each other and she wants to keep them separate, I can live with splitting them proportionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 02:15 AM
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I would probably never do 50/50, but I wouldn't be against doing it proportionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:43 AM
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This. Romantic love over time turns into familial love, or rather an amalgamation of the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:18 AM
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It isn't an all or nothing situation. You can be deficit in one aspect for a while and not have it make a big impact, but any long term need that isn't met will be detrimental to your well-being. Feeling positive emotions is directly linked to having your need of love and respect met.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:01 AM
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The need for love is categorized in 2 ways, love with family/friends and romantic love. We need both of them. Of course we can build our self-esteem in other ways, but the issue is if you have faults in the lower level's of your needs it creates faults all the way up. For instance if Alice doesn't feel safe and secure, she can still be in a romantic relationship, but she won't feel safe and secure in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 12:53 AM
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Needing food and water is not the same thing as needing to be rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 12:43 AM
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I have a bachelors degree in Psychology. I did in fact study it. A psychological need is still a need. Bob needs love or else it will really fuck up his self-esteem and self-worth. That doesn't mean Alice must be forced to be with Bob, Alice is her own person and she makes her own decisions. It doesn't take away from Bob still needing love.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 12:39 AM
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You should look up Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, you need love.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 12:22 AM
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That's what homeless shelters are for, I've seen my fair share of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 12:03 AM
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My stepfather was physically abusive to my mother and I for as long as I can remember, she finally decided to leave after he broke my arm when I was 10. We jumped around from homeless shelter to homeless shelter and I've been too more schools in my youth then I can remember. Trust me when I say I know how hard and scary it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 11:18 PM
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"While I agree that the average man isn't killing a women outright with a good punch, Ngannou (and a good portion of physically fit men) will absolutely." Reading comprehension buddy. EDIT: Started working out when I was 13 in weightlifting class, joined Taekwondo when I was around 15. Joined the Israeli Army when I was 19 and learned Krav Maga. I'm 32 now, so give or take 20 years. EDIT2: You seem to be thinking I mean just a punch to the head. There are many more efficient places to hit to kil…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:29 PM
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Bro I've been training for like 20 years, so I guess I win? What a dumb argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:25 PM
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If that ain't the best example of toxic femininity, I don't know what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:11 PM
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"Men can just randomly hate women" "Women only hate men cause of rape and violence" Hey, at least you're staying true too your flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:08 PM
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Fair enough. My stepfather was physically abusive to my mother and I, she finally decided to leave after he broke my arm when I was 10. I guess that always gave me the mentality to leave right the fuck away.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:01 PM
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Regular adult female. Again, the bone density difference matters. When they are relatively equal they'll break at the same time so people hold back because they don't want to also break their hand. Look up boxers/mma fighters doing punching test where they actually go all out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:58 PM
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My advice for men who get assaulted by their girlfriends is the same advice I give women who get assaulted by their boyfriends. Get the fuck out. Don't hit them back, don't argue, don't rationalize just get out and for gods sakes don't go back to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:54 PM
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Did you stay with those women after they did those things?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:52 PM
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I'm in no way saying it's men's fault, but if a women ever hits me I let her know right there and then that if she ever does that again I'm out. I've had 1 ex think I was joking and slapped me again and I broke up with her on the spot. Again, not a man's or woman's fault for being hit, but it is your fault for staying.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:49 PM
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Hell Francis Ngannou ain't even doing that to you. While I agree that the average man isn't killing a women outright with a good punch, Ngannou (and a good portion of physically fit men) will absolutely. I think you're underestimating what higher bone density means when hitting something with all your power that has lower bone density. You can see it better with younger men punching older men and shattering their bones (a bit of an uneven comparison, but it's the best one I could think of). Even…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:41 PM
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Also I literally do NOT perceive my wife as a physical threat at all. I once let her hit me with all her strength in my arm and abdomen; it did hurt a little, but it was 99% harmless. Me doing the same to her would put her in a hospital. I've done the same thing with exes and even female friends of mine, every time they hurt themselves way more than they hurt me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:26 PM
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100% agree. But when you're in the bottom percentage of looks, you're fighting for the scraps and every bit helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:15 PM
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What part of "teenage boys" made you think "all men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:12 PM
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He got her her own house to live in for 3 months before they got married because he wanted a power imbalance? You're absolutely delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:11 PM
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I think adding an age caveat is stupid. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdpHodNEnRMS02BL598aRsQpD4qKj4FgAqzg&usqp=CAU It's like saying she's a 1/10, but a 10/10 for her age because everyone else is dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:00 PM
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He's saying A is below average because she's not fit and ~70% of women are overweight/obese. Meaning 20% of overweight/obese people would logically be 5+, unless you believe 70% of women are below a 5 which would kind of defeat the point of what average is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 07:41 AM
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Interesting, I'd probably give the first girl you posted a 6.5-7, the second a 6 and the third an 8.5-9. Are you taking into consideration ~70% of women are overweight or obese?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 06:32 AM
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A - 6/10 B - 5/10 C - 3/10
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 06:19 AM
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You don't understand context at all, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 05:07 AM
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Are you seriously equating not being intimate because of cancer/pregnancy trouble to not being intimate because "Well you didn't do the dishes"? Yes, there's always going to be context involved with this kind of situation but your comparison is spectacularly disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 04:32 AM
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This man brought over a women from overseas, got another house for her to live in before they got married and he's still bad to you? I need to save this comment for whenever women strawman this topic with shit like "We only care when it's exploitation." and "They're just supporting child sex trafficking."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 04:27 AM
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If it makes you feel any better, men constantly criticize other men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 02:00 AM
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"Take dress codes for example. When adjusting dress codes for girls to wear “less revealing clothes” so that the boys may be distracted, is in my eyes, a form of shaming. It’s labeling male attraction as so powerful that a guy can’t be in the same room as a girl with her chest out and not go bananas." That's because it's true, teenage boys are incredibly hormonal and you'd be hard pressed to find one that can pay attention if a girls chest is out. This is just basic physiology.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 01:48 AM
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"When you assume you make an ass out of u and me." Also, I like how you completely ignore the question still. I'll ask again; Do you also believe when Instagram models get flown out and get showered with gifts that they are exploiting their beauty on rich foreigners?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 01:39 AM
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I believe that research is incredibly misinterpreted. It's taken from dating apps like Tinder, where women are swiping primarily off of a man's looks and mostly for casual hook-ups. If you have the ability to pick and choose who you have casual sex with, why would you pick someone average over someone attractive? Also, there's a difference between not finding someone attractive and finding them repulsive, most people are average by definition. To touch on you're view though, I 100% disagree. Wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 01:31 AM
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"Though in the US lots of people want out of their student loans because it was unfair and exploitative because they were only 18 when they signed." Holding someone accountable for the contracts they sign isn't exploitation, they just want to skirt their responsibility. "Also women are married against their own wishes because family says you have to." This is exploitation, she doesn't want to do it. You can't automatically assume this is the situation though, ever hear the saying "When you assum…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 01:09 AM
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You realize if both parties think the arrangement is fair, by definition that's not exploitation. Do you also believe when Instagram models get flown out and get showered with gifts that they are exploiting their beauty on rich foreigners?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:45 AM
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Again, people who don't care don't take the time to go into a thread and let everyone know they don't care. There are 900 people online in PPD, the 850+ people who ignore the thread and continue on don't care, you on the other hand need to emphasize that you don't care for some odd reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:35 AM
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And she thinks it's fair to trade a green card and $300 a month to be married to him. Did she tell you that she feels taken advantage of? Did she tell you she feels trapped or exploited?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:31 AM
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“Just because women make a ton of money and are going to college doesn’t mean we don’t live in a toxic patriarchy and a rape culture 😥” I agree, that's also a logical fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:23 AM
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It's interesting because you never hear these people criticize beautiful young women for "exploiting" men who fly them over and bring them on their yachts. It's almost like when 2 adults make an arrangement that they both think is fair, it's not exploitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:00 AM
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It is, which to me would make the arrangements fair, and therefore by definition, not exploitative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:45 PM
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If everyone is or can be drop dead gorgeous then the phrase has lost it's meaning. It would be like me saying everyone is confident, you refuting it and me replying with "Well, everyone is confident in their own way.". You're using the guise of subjectively to strip words of their meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:39 PM
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Just because something is popular and has found a niche market doesn't automatically mean that it isn't being silenced.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:37 PM
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By what the collective of men find generally attractive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the terms High/Low Value Men/Women was never meant to be attributed by what a single person says. A girl can want a short, balding poor guy (weird fetish, I know) and that would be valuable to her, but we wouldn't call him a HVM.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:35 PM
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You care enough to let random people on the internet know your stance on the matter, wouldn't someone who truly didn't care simply ignore the thread instead of wasting their time going to every one that pops up to let everyone know they don't care?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:29 PM
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It's interesting that you don't think he's being exploited by providing for her family overseas.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:27 PM
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You believe it's normal to jerk off 3-4 times a day and still be horny 24/7?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:04 PM
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Do you think your heightened libido is purely due to hormones?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:00 PM
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It seems like you might be addicted, have you ever thought of going to therapy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 10:49 PM
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often times the women want monogamy without the responsibilities that come with monogamy I never thought about it like that, I guess the inverse would be that men can't just decide not to go to work/pay the bills because they don't feel like it. I'd argue that with the changing dynamics of relationships (dual income households becoming more prevalent) that these "responsibilities" must also be adjusted. But I guess that's a discussion for each couple to tackle together (and hopefully before marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 10:47 PM
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It's a funny thing, but many men never go see the same escort more than once. It's because men don't exactly like feeling like suckers. Interesting, I feel like it's more to do with men wanting variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 10:41 PM
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Sounds like whataboutism to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 10:35 PM
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The author seems to conflate "valuable too you" with "high value".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 10:33 PM
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Pearl has over one million subscribers, while you are playing victim there is people making thousands of dollars. Pretty bad example considering she is constantly being banned and having to make new accounts. It's actually a running joke on her podcast.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 10:24 PM
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So your view is that people who cheat would have cheated regardless if they were put into a relationship where sex=currency?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 10:04 PM
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Sweety, accepting people how and for who they are, and cheering them is not lying. We are multidimensional beings, and a lot more than our looks. I agree completely. You seem to be conflating telling people genuine compliments and over exaggerations. Do you believe Lizzo is drop dead gorgeous?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 09:47 PM
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I don't understand how people can downvote what is basically common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:49 PM
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I've tried googling it and can't find the statistic you're looking for unfortunately. I'm not saying overweight people can't also look relatively attractive or normal/underweight people can't be ugly. I want to put the emphasis on relatively because while yes you can lose weight and still be unattractive, you will almost certainly be at least more attractive then when you were overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:43 PM
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Men give each other compliments all the time, we generally don't massively exaggerate them though. I'm not saying every women who gives out compliments is doing it maliciously, but the ones that are disingenuous with them have ulterior motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:14 PM
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Women who give genuine compliments and small white lies every now and then aren't the people I'm referencing. It's the women who constantly hyper exaggerate other women's looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:03 PM
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You obviously haven't read any of my replies in this thread. I have said dozen of times that you can find something beautiful about a person and give genuine compliments. You can think Lizzo has beautiful hair, great style, a fantastic personality, but that doesn't mean she's drop dead gorgeous. I'm also only talking about the women who constantly hyper exaggerate, not about the random girl who tells a white lie every now and then.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:01 PM
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81% of men in the US are overweight or obese, sure a subset of that is from genetics, but lets be real, laziness is a big factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:55 PM
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Can you post the sources you got your statistics from?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:54 PM
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You can treat people nicely without lying to them, in fact, I argue that when you lie to someone you're in fact not nice to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:51 PM
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That's completely fine, and I agree, you can usually find some aspect of a person attractive where others don't see it. My post isn't about genuine compliments, it's about women who greatly exaggerate to the point where the compliment is disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:46 PM
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That would explain why women don't insult other women, which is completely fair. It doesn't really touch on why some women go extremely overboard to the point of irrationality with their compliments.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:43 PM
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If you give out genuine compliments then the post obviously doesn't apply to you. I thought it was apparent that I was referring to a specific sub-set of women and not all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:40 PM
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I 100% agree, I'm specifically talking about women who are disingenuous with their compliments.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 05:06 PM
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Men generally don't massively exaggerate compliments to other men. I certainly don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 04:59 PM
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I never said average people are taking it literally (sure some might, but they are in the vast minority). I'm saying people who a extremely exaggerative have ulterior motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 04:55 PM
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Please don't strawman me and read my comment thoroughly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 04:49 PM
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I'm not arguing whether the person believes it or not. I'm simply pointing out the disingenuousness of the statement and how you aren't truly being "nice" to someone you lie to, even if it's to give them a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 04:48 PM
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If I go out on a date with you it's because at the very least I find you attractive so why wouldn't I want to have sex quickly? Attempting to have sex on the first date doesn't mean I ruled you out as gf material, even having sex on the first date doesn't rule you out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 04:22 PM
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I'm confused, are you arguing that it's always been a taboo or that it isn't now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 04:12 PM
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Read what I actually wrote. I never complained about the people complimenting her, I pointed out the disingenuous nature of calling her "drop dead gorgeous". I never called her fat or any name for that matter, I just said she wasn't drop dead gorgeous. In fact I point out that you can think she has nice traits (nice hair, style, personality) but that doesn't mean she's drop dead gorgeous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 04:05 PM
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The only backlash metoo had was against women who weaponized it, what does that have to do with bullying? Those police officers were fired, sounds like what they did was pretty taboo to me. There are literal anti-bullying laws being passed with regards to bullying in school. You think spiking girls drinks isn't taboo? What are you on buddy?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 03:58 PM
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To be fair, there are some very ugly normal and underweight people and relatively attractive overweight people. If I were to give it a rough estimate, I'd say top 30% in looks if your not overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 03:50 PM
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How did you come up with that indication? It's weird because I think the exact opposite. The only time you don't have an alternate agenda is when you genuinely do or say something nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 03:40 PM
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I'm not pretending I didn't say that, I completely believe it. Maybe not as taboo against men, but bullying women is absolutely taboo in western society.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 03:32 PM
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Decided to look up obesity in the US and in 2017-2018 80.9% of men were overweight or obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 03:28 PM
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Sex and having a partner in a committed relationship are two different things. 63% of men under 30 are single while 34% of women under 30 are single (Single meaning; not married, living with a partner or in a committed relationship). Only when men are able to provide do they manage to have and keep a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 03:21 PM
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https://hbr.org/2014/08/children-get-educational-benefits-from-having-a-parent-at-home https://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/16/us/two-studies-link-child-care-to-behavior-problems.html https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/675070 I'm not sure where you're getting your data. Can you link to some of the studies you've read that say there is no benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 03:09 PM
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When did I ever say you have to be mean and insulting? You can give a genuine compliment without lying, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 02:55 PM
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There's being nice and giving genuine compliments and there's extreme exaggerations. I give people genuine compliments all the time. I saw a random guy with a Goku t-shirt (Orange shirt with the Japanese symbol for wisdom) and told him I loved his shirt. I'm not saying you have to be mean or insult people, just be honest. Again, there is no kindness in lying to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 02:54 PM
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Maybe, I do wonder if using humor to tell the truth is in a sense lying, but that's a discussion for another thread. Too be honest, I don't think you're actually referring to the women I mention in my post. You seem to be minimalizing the extent to which some women will exaggerate. There's liking someone's hair or make-up and there's thinking Lizzo is drop dead gorgeous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 02:42 PM
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Interesting, what do you think that says about me?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 02:25 PM
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I'm not upset that some people are less than genuine, I'm simply hashing out my thought process on why they do it. Like I mentioned, I mostly think it's to look kind-hearted and above superficial notions of physical attraction. I did add delusional as well (only in the sense that they reject the meaning of words and substitute their own).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 02:24 PM
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Only they get to decide that, I don't have a problem with them doing it, I just believe it's incredibly disingenuous and you're not really friends with someone if you over exaggeratingly lie to them constantly. I'm of the opinion that all lies matter, but I can understand saying "looking good" on someone's wedding day when they don't in fact look good. Telling them they look like Brad Pitt when they most definitely do not...How do I say this, gives me an ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 02:16 PM
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That's like saying, "What you find to be confidence isn't what everyone else finds to be confidence." You're throwing away the meaning of words so that you can use them to make someone feel good, it's incredibly disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 02:09 PM
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I agree, if you lie about the compliments you give, you're clearly not friends with them. I explain why they would be disingenuous in the main post.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 02:06 PM
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I'm a bit confused. So the reason they overly exaggerate other women's looks is because they find out that most people are average?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 02:04 PM
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I don't believe those men have nothing else going for them, and if they don't, divorce is usually in the cards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 02:01 PM
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You believe that bullying is as overt as it use to be 20-30 years ago? I'm not saying nobody bullies anymore, especially online with the mask of animosity. I'm talking about being around people in real life, bullying now is much more covert and even then people think less of bullies. Do you not see people use their victimhood as a status?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 01:57 PM
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I really don't like lying to people. I'll either say nothing, be specific with my words or use a humorous twist to say the ugly truth. I truly believe even the smallest lies come back to bite people, maybe not overtly, but it affects you when you lie so often and brazenly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 01:49 PM
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There is no problem. I just believe that when you're disingenuous with the compliments you give, it's for ulterior motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 01:41 PM
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Interesting, I don't believe it's a fair comparison though. If you said "Damn, look at this sex god over here!" Unless you said it in an obviously sarcastic tone, it would be disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 01:36 PM
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You legitimately believe you don't have a single physically unattractive friend, yet I am the one with a perception that doesn't align with reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 01:25 PM
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You legitimately believe you don't have an unattractive friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 01:23 PM
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It's weird because I agree with most of what you said. You can have high self esteem, confidence and standards without being perfect. You complimenting your friend when you like her outfit is genuine and I have absolutely no problem with that, in fact I encourage it. I also don't think most women think they're 10's. My view is that the women who are disingenuous about the compliments they give do it for ulterior motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 01:20 PM
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While there is some subjectivity to the term "drop dead gorgeous" I believe any rational person would agree that Lizzo does not fall under that category. There are some variation to what people consider attractive (as well as fetishes that push those to the extreme), however I believe there is a degree of consistency to which society gauges physical beauty (both in men and women).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 01:12 PM
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I'm sorry, I'm not following along. Could you clarify what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 01:01 PM
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I regularly read the newspaper however I don't have twitter. I'm judging my observation in what I see in real life and the news mostly, but I'll be glad to read over anything you'd like to show me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:58 PM
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I'm trying to go through my notifications one by one and I might have missed it. My apologies, I'll see if I can find it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:55 PM
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That seems incredibly disingenuous. I can understand genuine compliments (I love your hair/makeup), but too lie just to be kind? Maybe it's my male bias, but are you even friends with someone you lie to like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:53 PM
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Pleasantries and genuine compliments are not the same as giant exaggerations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:44 PM
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Genuine compliments are not the same as giant exaggerations. Giving compliments is great if they are actually meaningful. When you throw around words with complete disregard for their meaning it's simply vapid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:26 PM
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I'm sorry if there's confusion, but I've differentiated genuine compliments and giant exaggerations multiple times throughout this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:21 PM
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I think there's a very big difference between the women who are generous about rating other women and the one's that tell people they're drop dead gorgeous when they know they're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:19 PM
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I'm not talking about the women who don't exaggerate. Read my title. I'm specifically talking about women who greatly exaggerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:15 PM
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There's support and genuine compliments and then there's overly exaggerating someone's looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:59 AM
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/lizzo-looks-stunning-semi-sheer-29362596 You truly believe Lizzo is "stunning" and "drop dead gorgeous"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:55 AM
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So you believe every women is drop dead gorgeous? Or do you believe that the women who say these things are being genuine?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:54 AM
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What reason is there to tell a white lie other than to manipulate them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:44 AM
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It's a niche and too pretend that it's the norm is disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:40 AM
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You honestly think she looks stunning?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:27 AM
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I don't hate to see women happy and getting along at all. I'm specifically talking about women who greatly exaggerate other women's beauty. Giving compliments is great, everyone should do it and everyone should receive compliments. I'm trying to rationalize why people do it to such sensationally hyperbolic levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:23 AM
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/lizzo-looks-stunning-semi-sheer-29362596
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:19 AM
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The only ones would be women who have a particular fetish to that type of guy. But I digress, I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:18 AM
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I agree, women usually give compliments to make their friends feel good. My post is about women who exaggerate greatly with their compliments.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:16 AM
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I didn't realize I came across as being bothered by women complimenting each other. I'm really not, I just think when you're incredibly hyperbolic about it, there's ulterior motives. As for your note, when was the last time a women has been nasty about your looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:12 AM
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So you believe every women is gorgeous?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:07 AM
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You gain friends by lying to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:50 AM
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Did you see the first and foremost reason I mentioned?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:49 AM
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If everyone is beautiful then the word has no meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:37 AM
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I see, if you genuinely believe every women could be the epitome of physical beauty I will add the caveat that women who say that could also be delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:26 AM
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Having fun strawmanning, or do you want to actually change my view?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:16 AM
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I don't lie to the people I like. I also think the majority of these women fall under the first reason, not the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:14 AM
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10, as in the epitome of physical beauty?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:03 AM
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I'll agree that some of them might be delusional, but you believe they all are?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:02 AM
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"Empathy is being placed on a pedestal by society (for good reason), but there is no kindness in lying to people." When you use words that are primarily used to describe physical beauty and attribute it covertly to their whole persona, you are lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:53 AM
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"First and foremost, to self-promote themselves as being kind-hearted and looking past such superficial notions as physical attraction."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:49 AM
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Only you have the ability to judge whether you are genuine or are lying. Do you believe every women is perfect, gorgeous and a 10/10? Do you believe women who say that are being genuine?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:43 AM
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You've only taken one aspect of my post though (the rating out of 10). Are you also saying you never see women tell other women that they're perfect/gorgeous or other hyperbolic synonyms when they obviously aren't?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:37 AM
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I completely agree, I was simply trying to explain something complex in a simple way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:33 AM
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There's a difference between genuinely complimenting someone and lying to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:31 AM
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You're right, it doesn't guarantee a good upbringing. I apologize for my wording, it should read "...as well as a better chance of a good upbringing for children."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:30 AM
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I agree completely. How does this detract from my view though?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:23 AM
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It's better for a child's upbringing to have the mother stay at home and raise them than to get a nanny or ship them to relatives. It breeds apathy towards their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:20 AM
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It seems too have the opposite effect, people bring it up just to laugh at the response.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:17 AM
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I don't think they're delusional at all, I think they know how other people scale and they choose to keep that internally.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:15 AM
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It's exploitation when it's an unwelcome responsibility that others have placed on you, I'm referring to those that you place on yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:12 AM
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Isn't a provider AND ignores gender roles. A lot of women probably don't mind men who will split things equally, if he's attractive/charismatic/ambitious/got other things going for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:03 AM
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The purpose and meaning manifest because there are other human beings whom rely on you. It's also the responsibility in and of itself that build our ethos. If your responsibility is only surface level you'll likely drift into complacency.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 08:55 AM
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I'm not seeing the correlation between what I said and the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 08:29 AM
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Unless that man is ridiculously attractive and/or charismatic, if he ignores gender roles and isn't a provider he will never have a partner. Additionally, it's good for men to shoulder the responsibility of paying for a family and stay-at-home wife. It gives purpose and meaning as well as a good upbringing for children.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 08:27 AM
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I disagree, I think the majority of people understand what being attractive is, they're just too lazy/unmotivated. Them complaining isn't about thinking they're entitled but more so revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 08:12 AM
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There's a fine line between being vulgar/disrespectful and being witty/thought-provoking. I find women attracted to the later rather than the former. To extrapolate on this, if we take a man that a women would normally find unattractive and he said something vulgar/disrespectful, there aren't many women who would positively change their view on him. However if he said almost the exact same thing but in a witty/thought-provoking way instead, that would change a lot of girls minds on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 07:49 AM
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There is no situation were I would be a sex worker. I'd rather flip burgers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 06:04 AM
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On the one hand that's like an 'animal zone', to have sex with but not treat like a person You believe if someone has sex with another person but doesn't want a relationship with them, that's treating them like an animal?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 09:46 AM
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People aren't confident because they aren't trying enough? I haven't had a good laugh like that in a while, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 09:07 AM
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I'm curious, do you think she's too young to give dating advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:50 AM
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You might think it's delusional until you're on a sinking ship and realize just how worthless you are compared to a women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:44 AM
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It’s a similar view to how men view beautiful women as having a ton of sex options Wait, are you trying to say beautiful women don't have a ton of sex options?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:34 AM
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Like yes, be confident and not desperate, it really aint difficult getting and keeping women. This is hilarious, it's like telling someone with anxiety to just stop being anxious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:31 AM
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"You're a pedo, sex trafficker and you're forcing yourself on women because of their socio-economic status (basically a rapist)" When men don't want a western women and go to a poorer country.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:08 AM
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Guys without options would rather stay oblivious than to risk tainting one of the few women who's shown interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:54 AM
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This is because the majority of the time, when older people deliberately pursue people as young as possible, it's because they want someone easy to control or manipulate. Interesting, do you have any studies to back this up?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:35 AM
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why have sex with someone you barely know? Is this a serious question?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:27 AM
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Do you also think guys don't have a fuckzone (girls they won't have relationships with but will have sex with) and it's all in women's head?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:24 AM
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I love how you have to add "that much" with regards to caring about chastity or n-count. Makes it seem like most men don't care, but I think everyone knows that most men do care. They might not care if it's just for casual sex but for a LTR a guy with options will always have low n-count as a preference. Guys without options won't even ask about a girls sexual history because then it will taint one of the few women who's shown interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:56 AM
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At this point in my life, I'd prefer none. When I was younger, I don't think my self-esteem would have handled being invisible well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 10:45 PM
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I always find it weird that TRP creators will say that there are things women will never understand about men, but then be shocked pikachu when women say things that make sense to other women but not the men. An example would be when a creator will say that women only use make-up to attract the opposite sex, the women will say "No, I do it for my myself or to show my friends.". The men will usually laugh and completely ignore her point, which I would consider misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 10:42 PM
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I (31m) haven't found the right girl who checks off the important boxes. I'm 6', relatively attractive and very sociable so I have the ability to be picky. When I was in my early 20's I had a lot of ONS and wasn't interested in LTR at all, when I got to my late 20's my family was pushing me hard to settle down and I had a couple relationships but they never worked out. Now I'm just having casual sex and vetting anyone that comes along. My family (4 younger sisters and mother) have toned down a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:51 PM
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I don't need anything. If a women who checks all my important boxes comes into my life, awesome. If not, I'll just continue doing me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:35 PM
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I have a hard time respecting cheaters. Attractive guys who think most women cheat suffer from a type of survivorship bias. They find the one wife who will cheat at the bar but ignore the 500 wives they walked passed to get there and then think most women cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:08 PM
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Being too nice has never been the reason why I've rejected someone. I don't think I've ever even seen it as a negative to be honest (unless matched with naivety).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:21 AM
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I disagree. I think almost every guy cares about body count, the difference comes if they're high value or not. A guy with little options would rather not know because it'll taint one of the few girls who's shown interest, so he won't even ask. The only time I've seen a high value man "not care" about body count is when theirs is high and their sense of equality convinces them that they shouldn't care about it. But even then, there's limits to what they'll accept and if given the choice when all…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 08:19 AM
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Unless men actually get disenfranchised, I don't believe so. There would have to be some wild changes in laws for it to truly become cohesive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:43 PM
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I don't think you actually watched any of his videos if that's what you took out of them. The start of every conversation he has with a women is asking her what her expectations are (% of the bills she wants to pay and expects him to pay, whether she will continue working, are the kids going to be homeschooled, etc). He then gives personalized advice geared towards their answers, it just so happens that 99% of women say they want to contribute 0% of the bills and not work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 03:35 AM
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Yup, I wasn't reading that correctly. Thanks for clarifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:30 AM
0

Let me get this correct, the reason you believe it's a good thing that gay and lesbian relationship's aren't discussed more frequently is because the resulting social statistics are different?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:00 AM
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So to not be shamed and viewed as pathetic they have to do what? Not what you think is pathetic, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:56 AM
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What's the good reason that they happen rarely?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:38 AM
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I disagree, women might not pay with money but they pay with their chastity and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:27 AM
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While yes, heterosexual relationships is what is usually discussed, from my understanding PPD isn't exclusively heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:10 AM
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You sound like a bitch that makes stupid assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:03 AM
1

That's fair, but we need to separate idealism from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:58 AM
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It's not enough, intimate relationships is a specific part.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:14 AM
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I see the problem, you have no idea what the Hierarchy of Needs means. Read up a little on it and come back.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:02 AM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:00 AM
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A lot of men just want A partner. Your sexual privilege is apparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:58 PM
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As I've said in the other thread, if you don't have love self-actualization doesn't mean shit. There's a reason why even after 80 years Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is still referenced. You're trying to explain away human psychology because it doesn't apply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:56 PM
4

This is the most silly cop-out I've ever heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:51 PM
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More meaningful to you. EDIT: And the reason I said you're moving the goalpost is because you went from saying a partner to specifically an attractive partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:47 PM
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You're moving the goalpost.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:42 PM
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Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs explains this pretty well. The same way people who don't have food and water don't really give a shit about love, the people who don't have love don't really give a shit about self-actualization.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:39 PM
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Completely reasonable take, doesn't detract from the OP though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 10:59 PM
1

I'd rather see the data, which table is it under?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 10:57 PM
1

I can't find the statistic that 12% of women 20-24 are virgins, can you pinpoint where it is for me? I looked through the entire page you sent me so I'm assuming it's in one of the tabs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 10:49 PM
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Exactly, it hardly happens. 9/10 the guy initiates conversation with the girl. If he's up to her standards she'll entertain it, if not he's a creep. Hence the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 10:38 PM
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You can use that logic to say any type of test is rooted in insecurity. Drug test, drivers license test, exams, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 10:32 PM
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You're not invisible to men and you know it. If you put in even the smallest of efforts you can find a guy who will cherish you instantly (he probably won't be up to your standards, but those men are everywhere). You have sexual privilege and you're blind to it because people don't see their own privilege. You think it's not a problem because it's not a problem for you personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 10:27 PM
2

Not "I have a boyfriend", get a fake wedding ring and tell people who approach you you're married. The guys who have the confidence to approach you probably aren't going to be fazed by you having a boyfriend (they probably already think you're lying to get them to leave you alone) however that same guy will more often than not back off if he see's a wedding ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 10:17 PM
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Being raped has nothing to do with being a slut, it's about willing promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 09:53 PM
2

Maybe, could also be geographically biased. Can you post your source?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 09:45 PM
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Fake wedding ring, if you tell people who approach you that you're married they'll probably back off.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 09:42 PM
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Make yourself less attractive, even repulsive? Wear baggy clothes, put on a really bad fragrance, act a little psycho. EDIT: Actually one of the easiest ways is to wear a fake wedding ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 09:35 PM
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I read it in an article. https://montrealgazette.com/news/montreal-study-looks-at-women-who-remain-virgins-later-than-most "There is, she already knew, a stigma associated with being a virgin in one’s mid-20s or late 20s. By age 25, the description applies to only two to five per cent of women." It's from 2018 so it is a little outdated. EDIT: If you can give me your source I'd love be up-to-date with the statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 09:21 PM
4

Women have lived lives where they think they don't want or need attention from men. I had a talk with a female friend last night regarding this exact topic. She said that men want women's problem (being objectified) and women want men's problem (being invisible). I don't think you truly understand the existential dread involved with being invisible to the opposite sex. Sure you might like it for a couple days, months, maybe even a year but knowing that you're probably going to die alone and with…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 09:10 PM
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I feel like this is a pot calling the kettle black situation. Your answer of people hitting it off at the grocery store because they randomly bumped in to each other or some random thing happening that got them to start talking is basically straight out of a rom-com.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 09:01 PM
7

To be clear, are we talking about men world-wide?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 08:52 PM
7

You think the majority of men are sleeping around?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 08:40 PM
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Lots of men are also sleeping around and aren’t marrying the first woman they sleep with. It's not lots of men, it's a very very small percentage of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 08:29 PM
0

Don't take away the ~3% chance that she's actually a virgin (Something like 2-5% of women 18-25 are virgins).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 07:54 PM
0

If F&F is any indication it makes them more docile.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 07:47 PM
6

Why would there be a defense to something no one is having issue to? No one is calling single dads used or damaged goods. EDIT: In fact I find most women agree respectfully with men not dating single mothers if they have a valid reason and it's not some blatant misogynistic crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 07:21 PM
1

If you read the same study I did than you'd know they took that data world-wide and the reasoning for death among adolescent childbirth is access to information and services. From what I remember reading, there is a negligible difference in western countries on this issue. I also never argued for the case of paedophilia, I'm pointing out that if we took the scientific approach on how we define adulthood we would have to look at how we define it in every other animal. When literally any other ani…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 06:55 PM
1

Yes, there are diminishing returns but when you are fighting for scraps every little bit helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 10:15 AM
4

I don't know if it is common sense, I don't think any women (or even average man) can truly understand what it's like to be invisible like that. I was talking to a female friend of mine earlier today about it and she mentioned how it was funny that guy's want the girl's problem (constantly being objectified) and girl's want the guy's problem (being invisible). It felt like she thought it was a light switch that couple be turned on and off at will.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 10:06 AM
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Not at all, ethnic slurs aren't arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 09:05 AM
0

Wouldn't the truly scientific answer be that women are adults once they have their periods? That would make the most sense SCIENTIFICALLY.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 09:01 AM
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Mmmm, I'd agree if your wording was a bit different. Any job where you profit off of the exploitation of someone else's suffering is scummy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 08:43 AM
3

Are you an upper class earner?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 08:11 AM
2

Unfortunately the zealously religious types aren't know to be the most logical. I'm pulling this completely out of my ass but I'm guessing religion is why 99% of people are homophobic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 08:01 AM
2

Doesn't take away from the negative connotation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 07:56 AM
1

Most, if not all of the one night stands were from bars. Every other relationship or situationship I was in were friends or coworkers first. I actually don't think I've had a relationship were we weren't good friends first.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 07:54 AM
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I don't know if I'd be considered high value , I make about 75k/year but I'm about 6' and relatively attractive. I don't feel like I've ever had an issue retaining a successful woman, things just happened to come up. One of them moved and I wasn't willing to go with her and the other relationship broke down because I sort of shut down when my brother passed away. I guess my second relationship with a successful women was an issue with retainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 01:01 AM
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I think having them all together would be better, and I'd also change it up a bit. Attractive Men > Attractive Women > Average Women > Unattractive Women > Average Men > Unattractive Men
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:50 AM
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I'd rather that than live in isolation from the opposite sex. Every time you even approach a girl you get met with physical recoil and disgust. At least if I were a girl I can get pregnant and have a child to unconditionally love, 40% of men throughout history haven't had children (as apposed to ~15% of women).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:46 AM
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It's hard to judge because I don't know what either feels like, but my gut tells me I'd rather be pumped and dumped than invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:37 AM
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I think you suffer from the same issue I do. Sometimes it's really hard for me to see it from the perspective of a guy who is invisible to women because that's not the life I've lived.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:14 AM
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I had a promiscuous phase when I was in the army. I'm also 6' and relatively attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:07 AM
2

This is probably one of the best responses I've heard against age gaps. I'm guessing that you'd also be very against 18-25 year old men being recruited into the army?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 11:54 PM
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It's not policing, they just think your a disgusting predator who should be shamed. Also before you actually get with a younger women she should be brought to the side to be "informed" of just how creepy you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 11:39 PM
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Body count is marginally important to me, mine is in the 30-50 range so I'd prefer a girl lower than mine. If I connect with a girl who has more it wouldn't bother me unless it was MUCH more. OF is the deal-breaker for me though, not my cup of tea.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 11:22 PM
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Personally, as long as you're not obese or anorexic I'm not to hung up on body shape. Would I prefer a girl who has nice boobs/ass, of course, but if I connect with a girl in the itty bitty titty committee that's okay too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 11:12 PM
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Things get better for the men that try. A guy putting in effort will almost always look better than he did in his 20's but that will almost never be the case for women. I guess it should read "Men can age like wine". I'm trying to think of the inverse and while there can be attractive 45 year old women there's always a caveat that she looks good for her age, no honest man is going to say she looks more attractive then she did when she was 25 (unless there was drastic changes to her appearance).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 11:03 PM
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If that's what you took out of that comment so be it, have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 03:22 AM
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It blows my mind that everyone in the entire world agrees that 18 year olds are adults...except people who are against age gap relationships. For some reason they believe women aren't *really* adults until their like 25 or 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 03:19 AM
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I think the reason you don't entertain the question is because you've realized that if you applied your way of thought evenly it becomes apparent how absurd it is. Adults are adults. Young adults are adults. They make their own decisions and for you to come and say "Well young adults are naive, and stupid and can't make proper decisions" infantilizes them. It comes across as either bitter or attempting to blur the lines between childhood and adulthood, which pedophiles do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:59 AM
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Men who shame women for being promiscuous or single mothers give off the same energy as women who shame men for dating with age gaps or being passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:49 AM
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Men who shame women for being promiscuous or single mothers give off the same energy as women who shame men for dating with age gaps or being passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:35 AM
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But he was a young person. Shouldn't that mean "...that younger people as a whole are more naive, less self aware, have less conventional wisdom, are less able to critically think and so on." Why are you now picking and choosing when you are applying this standard? He broke the law so his brain development probably jumped like 5-10 years? If you don't want to entertain the question so be it, but at least be honest with your hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:23 AM
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I wasn't using Turner as a comparison for age gap, but accountability and responsibility for ones own actions at a young adult age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:13 AM
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It's weird that you infantilize young women but it's not so bad if you do the same for young men. So I'm curious, do you also think Brock Turner was naive, less self aware, had less conventional wisdom and was less able to critically think or was he just a piece of shit rapist?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:05 AM
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Guys like variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 12:58 AM
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The women who shame men for age gap relationships or being passport bros give off the same energy as the men who shame women for being promiscuous. There's a whole bunch of bitter people in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 12:56 AM
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Do you hold that same energy for promiscuous women who cry about being called a ho?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:14 AM
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Reading up it seems like they do it for 2 main reasons. The first is having a back-up pregnancy in case something happens (lactating triggers the pause and restart once suckling stops). The second for seasonal reasons to have the offspring be born during the spring instead of winter. Really interesting stuff, thanks for pointing it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 07:49 AM
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Can I get your opinion on hoax papers being accepted for publication into serious peer-reviewed journals? https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/new-sokal-hoax/572212/
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 06:46 AM
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Which animals? I'd love to see information about this because I've definitely heard of animals eating their young under certain conditions but never suspending procreation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:44 AM
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I don't think you're understanding the comparison. The interview is the opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 10:40 PM
1

I'm curious, what debt did Musk saddle Twitter with? (other than severance packages)
/r/TheRedPill04/04/23 10:32 PM
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Interesting, can you post these studies? The latest study I've seen shows women are on average less happy than men until well past retirement age.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 09:05 PM
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Nice side-stepping the question, care to try again?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 08:42 PM
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*Looks at studies showing the unhappiest people are women in their 40's* I don't think you realize who's getting left behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 07:53 PM
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Hypergamy is desired by the top 10-20% of men. It kind of sucks if you're average and it REALLY sucks if you're below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 12:21 AM
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I feel like there's a very fine line between shaming and pitying, and when someone is being pitied it can very easily come across as being shamed. Are people saying you should feel bad about being a virgin or that they feel bad for you for being a virgin?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:28 PM
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I'd rather not do it through force. And I hope most men in the western world feel the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:19 PM
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Meh, it is what it is. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:16 PM
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Sorry you went through that, we've obviously lived very different lives and met very different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:14 PM
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Social media and dating apps have put hypergamy on overdrive. If you're not top 20% looks or wealth you're not getting much attention. So to answer your question, yes, ALL men around the world aren't good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:05 PM
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I'm interesting in knowing who shamed you and what they said exactly. There's a fine line between shaming and pitying and when someone is being pitied it can very easily come across as being shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:01 PM
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Are most people shaming you or pitying you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 10:59 PM
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That's called "no true Scotsman." Wrong. No true Scotsman fallacy is when you exclude the counterargument improperly. The reason why fuckboys shame virgins is because they view sex as a conquest and gain their honor/status through that, therefore it makes sense that they see virgins as less than.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 10:56 PM
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I'm confused, are you saying I'm wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 10:43 PM
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Guys will joke about it sure, but intent is important and I hardly see men shame virgins. I think the prevalent emotion to seeing an older virgin is pity to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 10:41 PM
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Working in a restaurant you see a specific part of the dating market. We live in a hook-up culture now, people are matching on Tinder and hooking-up while ordering Ubereats. The hot guy doesn't need to take girls out on dates anymore, she's so strong and independent that she gets her own uber to his place.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 10:11 PM
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Ok, that makes more sense to me now. Did you and your husband agree to an open relationship before you two were married?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:58 PM
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I agree for the most part, I'm just saying finances have a much stronger pull to most women than charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:41 PM
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I'm confused about the semantics. Do you not consider yourself in a relationship with your boyfriend? Is it more like a FWB situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:38 PM
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A guy who's 4/10 looks wise isn't getting the time of day from most women UNLESS he's rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:20 PM
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I disagree, I think finances holds a much bigger sway on dating/relationships. Sure there are SOME short, broke, kinda ugly guys who get girls but they are the outliers the same way the tall, handsome guy with money that strikes out in the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:11 PM
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Fear of being alone. They aren't happy by themselves so they simp anything with a pulse in the hopes that they won't die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:04 PM
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I'm not arguing that high value men can't be picky, I'm saying that educational level and job status aren't part of those criteria. The same way I'd argue if you said women choose men over their CoD prestige.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:57 PM
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Wasn't the term coined by a women from Toronto, Canada?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:52 PM
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I apologized and corrected myself. Did you want something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:41 PM
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Big Dick/Small Dick energy is also not used in a way that has anything to do with actual penis size, does that make it not body shaming? Calling someone/something gay didn't have anything to do with their sexuality, does that make it not homophobic?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:29 PM
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You're conflating trashy with uneducated. You're example was taking 2 wive's who have similar looks and temperaments, with the only difference being one is a high school dropout and the other is highly educated. To a high value man the difference is negligible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:10 PM
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Reality is sad af
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 07:38 PM
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That doesn't happen. He tells people she's a SAHM and nobody bats an eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 07:16 PM
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If he did want one with you would you divorce your husband or cut contact with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 07:11 PM
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Really? I have. Sorry, other than fuckboys who think how many girls they've slept with is some sort of badge of honor. Maybe among other people saving themselves for marriage. The vast majority of people don't ask if you're saving yourself because who cares? Yes, the vast majority of people don't ask but when the conversation comes up the usual response is "Good for them, I definitely couldn't do it." Which in my eyes holds a certain level of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 07:09 PM
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As someone who didn't miss out on sexual experience in my teenage years I don't think those concepts are about revenge fantasy but maybe their fixation on them can be. I agree that when you constantly bring it up as a way to retaliate or diminish women you are toxic but no more than the women who shits on passport bros or men that date younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:57 PM
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Other than looks and agreeableness, you think a high value man cares what the woman's job is? Unless she's a stripper, he doesn't give a fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:41 PM
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That's weird because I almost never hear men truly shame virgins (joking around doesn't count). In fact there's a level of respect held for people who save themselves till marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:21 PM
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Sorry, I don't mean just Tinder but rather the conglomeration of dating/hook-up apps. The top 20% of men are having sex with most women and they don't usually have to pay to get it, in fact a lot of the times girls will get their own uber to his place and back. There isn't really a "date" involved, dating culture is the minority now, we are a couple years into hook-up culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:15 PM
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Is your boyfriend married as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:33 AM
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Tinder?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:41 AM
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Do you feel the same way about expectations of men to act masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:13 AM
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I don't debate them to try and convert them. I do it because I want to truly understand my values and ideas better. I feel like the best way to hash out your thoughts on a topic is to have a good debate with someone on the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:59 AM
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Do you feel like you've infantilized young women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:49 AM
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Interesting, it seems you're not necessarily against the age but with a perceived "taking advantage of". Are there ways the relationship formed that wouldn't make you lower your evaluation of the guy (for instance if it was a FWB/random tinder hookup that turned into a relationship)? is the answer different between the IQ/Age gaps?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 07:15 AM
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Sorry, do you feel that someone who dates another with a much lower IQ is of a lower value?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 06:48 AM
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Do you feel the same way when there's a big difference in IQ?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 06:35 AM
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Do you have any younger sister's?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:56 AM
1

What if there was no contract and they were living together for a year (common law requirement in Canada)?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:49 AM
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Whether there would be more or less abortions doesn't make the argument invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:42 AM
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I know this is going on a bit of a tangent, but I love brainstorming these kinds of ideas. What if they agreed they didn't want kids and she ended up pregnant and kept it? Would you allow him the ability to opt out?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:39 AM
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How would you judge that they weren't taken advantage of?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:33 AM
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But they still get bamboozled by men. Would you agree to a caveat that if the couple is officially married or common-law the man loses his right to financially abort?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:20 AM
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Why would abortion have to be illegal?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:16 AM
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What would the universal minimum be? And could it be cut into installments throughout 18 years (I joke lol)?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:06 AM
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I feel like the only people this truly hurts are conservative women. The liberal feminist you speak of will just opt to keep getting abortions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:04 AM
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Interesting. Would that be a set amount across the board or dependent on income/another measure of wealth?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:59 PM
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I agree in principal, but the reality of the situation is that men can't carry the child. Which leaves us with the question of how can we make it more fair? From your comment I take it to mean that you believe that other than financial abortion nothing else could be equitable?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:48 PM
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e higher wage earner should be placed in trust and overseen by a financial authority. Receipts should be required Interesting, I was leaning towards all the funds being split between all the children in that specific foster home. Do you think that the child support (more specifically from higher wage earners) should go to only that child?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:42 PM
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I'm pro-abortion, my question wasn't about abolishing abortion but about fairness and responsibility that goes with adoption. These institutions are already in place and the government is already paying for it, this would actually lessen the burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:39 PM
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I agree to an extent. I'm Canadian so I believe it should be free here, but healthcare is privatized in the US so I believe you should either pay for it yourself or have insurance cover it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:15 PM
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I don't think that's it, she's more mature than some women I know who are 10 years older than her. Not to say that 30 year old women are not going to be immature, but I don't have any issue with her maturity level.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:43 PM
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I want to add that I have noticed weird double standards and misogyny but that is more the outlier than the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:39 PM
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I feel like we need to have a stable definition of what mature and immature means because sometimes it feels like a spectrum and other times like an on and off switch. Then the question becomes: Is it wrong for someone to have a relationship with someone who isn't mature/is less mature?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:35 PM
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I've only joined recently and have looked into some red pill content recently but I'm curious how it tolerates lying, cheating and scamming women? From what I've seen so far it seems to center around bettering yourself and women will come to you as a byproduct. It seems to tell men to be honest with women about their expectations and commitment level (not cheating on a girl but telling her that you want an open relationship). Can you give me some examples of cruelty to women being done?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:27 PM
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I'm curious if you feel the same way about an abled person dating someone on the spectrum who's maturity level is low?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 09:36 PM
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Both parties are grown up, again, it's weird to infantilize a 20 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 09:26 PM
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I find it interesting that you say maturing past them rather than to their level. Do you believe someone dating younger is immature?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 09:22 PM
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For context I am 32 and she is 20. Why do you think it's weird? I do to, I just can't pinpoint why and it's bothering me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 09:07 PM
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Comparing a 5 year-old and a 20 year-old is weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 09:04 PM
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I personally thought it was more appropriate to listen to her thoughts on the matter rather than everyone else's. Again, I wasn't looking for advice, I just noticed a very strong divide between men and women on the matter and thought it'd be an interesting debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 09:03 PM
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I didn't seek it out, she came on to me. I initially rejected it, but women can be very persuasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 08:58 PM
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I am 32 and she's 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 08:55 PM
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Why is it gross to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 08:55 PM
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