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I know he's talking about the US. You cannot envision a world where maybe the draft becomes necessary. I am telling you it happened in my parents lifetime, and it's happening in western democracies now - so your perception that it's an impossibility is I think a little bit warped. Now, if this seems to hypothetical for you - fine. I think a more reasonable conversation would be the lack of gender equity in a million different low paying, hard working, keep society type functioning jobs. Women ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:03 PM
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The events of a couple decades ago can feel like ancient history, but uh there are plenty of people alive today in the united states that were or had friends conscripted. If that feels like ancient history - how about what's occurring in Ukraine? That's an aspiring EU member state.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:16 PM
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> Jeff Bezos said his ex deserved her share Your article does not say that anywhere. Your article is just some other woman opining that she does. > she supported him and raised three children That’s a thing a *very* larger percentage of humanity has done. It’s not a 38 billion dollar level of impact to the world. If you want to try to quantify the monetary impact of that role, it’s about a 50-70k salary in the U.S.. Average honest work. > it is odd to me that men do not think what women do is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:17 PM
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Women are applauded at doing whatever they want. In politics and top leadership they tend to represent ~1/3 of the roles. They are unbounded in pursuing those goals - but many opt not to, or simply pause their careers once they are provided for. Your preference for making your own money is fine and all - but it’s kind of irrelevant. Men will provide for women, but women will not provide for men - very few will accept a man with less earning potential than herself. The fact that women appear at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:43 PM
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> it depends where you live Sure. On Reddit - an American English speaking site - and this sub especially we’re generally presumed to be referring do developed western nations. If you want to switch context to developing nations in the Middle East / Africa / Indian sub content the answer is different. > it’s true that most men don’t reach the tops, but it’s still a fact that they’re more likely to reach it But in those circles and at that level, it’s still pretty great - and ultimately way easie…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:16 PM
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You are looking at the top 0.001% richest and most powerful people on the planet, and from that assuming that they are representative of men as a whole or that their actions somehow benefit men as a whole. This is wrong and just utterly faulty logic. Elon Musk becoming a trillionaire doesn’t somehow advance men as a group. Yes, the smallest and richest group is somewhat male dominated. That has very little to with life for the average American. In everyday life for the normies, women are now adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:20 PM
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You are looking at the top 0.001% richest and most powerful people on the planet, and from that assuming that they are representative of men as a whole or that their actions somehow benefit men as a whole. This is wrong and just utterly faulty logic. Elon Musk becoming a trillionaire doesn’t somehow advance men as a group. Yes, the smallest and richest group is somewhat male dominated. That has very little to with life for the average American. In everyday life for the normies, women are now adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:02 PM
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Take mansplaining as an example. It’s a widely recognized and discussed phenomenon. It boils down to men assuming men are competent by default I almost stopped reading right here. This is utter nonsense. Mansplaining is just women projecting their pet peeves and insecurities. The whole gripe is just their group bias Men get excited about things, they like to form metal model, and display competency. When men do this to other men, we just call it “geeking out (over subjext)” or soapboxing. We do …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 09:18 PM
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vote to take away other people’s rights The real problem here is that most transgender "rights" being asked for are positive rights. Coverage for their cosmetic surgery and drugs paid for by others, active participation by others in their identity through acknowledgements, access to spaces designed for the opposite sex's security. Classic "rights" here are the freedom from harassment and discrimination, and that's it. access to public spaces No one is denying trans people "public" spaces - trans…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:10 PM
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“Emotional labor” is such nonsense. It’s just a way for women to complain about being an adult and overwhelmed by the little things. Men have just as many “little things” that they have to take care of as adults, but they internalize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:45 PM
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It doest guarantee, but it does positively correlate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:55 PM
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Analogies are not perfect tools. Also, your dismissal and critique of me only works if you straw man me, my argument, and extent to which men value this. As I’ve stated before, the general bar men have is “a body count less than mine” - not outrageous levels of hypocrisy. Sure, normal relationships are fine. At a certain level of promiscuity, yeah - it starts to correlate to risky behaviors and shows you’re separating it from emotional connection. In the same way, back to my analogy, that having…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:02 AM
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I have some news for you: men can also pay for a surrogate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:43 AM
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If I was a coffee drinker but I quit drinking coffee one year ago, buying me a coffee maker as a gift would be pointless. But according to your logic that would be the best gift to get me because I drank coffee in the past. Let me offer alternate, and more accurate analogy: Suppose we’re in a relationship. Suppose I was a big time alcoholic in the past. You might - and should - have reasonable concern to believe I’d be at elevated risk of relapse / falling off the wagon, and it negatively (devas…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:42 AM
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I mean, generally both genders have biological desire there, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:15 AM
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Okay, so how should you predict how a person will behave if not how they behaved in the past? I’m not saying that people can never change… but surely, most of the time, the past behavior is relevant. Are you saying people should only be judged by statements of future intent, without demonstrating anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:11 AM
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So let me invert that a bit - if counting the “utility” of a man’s resources is fair and legitimate, what sort of analogous “utility” are you (or women, typically) offering?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:01 PM
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You think it’s egotistical to believe that past behavior is an indicator of future behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:00 PM
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I don’t think most men are demanding purity / virginity. Their general bar is “the same or less of a body count than me - preferably significantly less”, in the exact same way that a woman’s bar for provider / income is “makes the same or more than me - preferably significant before”. It’s exactly the same. The disconnect is women think that what men want should be irrelevant to happiness and pairing off, while their expectation is still fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:49 PM
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the problem is that they don’t apply the same standards to men Why are they obliged to? Men value purity as a proxy for loyalty. Women do not value that to the same degree. Women instead put more value on social standing & ability to provide. Men telling women that the are not interested in being the “safe” settle after their youth / beauty / purity are gone is the same thing as women telling men they don’t want to date unambitious and unsuccessful men Men applying the purity / low body count to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:11 PM
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The difference between this and prostitution is, what, precisely? This idea that dating must be 100% at the man’s expense as opposed to some amount of mutual investment seems very anti-egalitarian / equal rights. If it’s not outright prostitution, it’s establishment of the man as provider and the woman as prize - which heavily implies she is and will be a super trad girlfriend / wife. Is that desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:54 PM
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Most women aren’t as selfish and self serving as I am. This is the only inaccurate thing you said. Most women operate exactly the way you described, though it maybe more subconscious or less self aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:18 PM
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Not exactly. For starters: To the right wing point of wage suppression via surplus labor, you’re basically only ruling out construction and some trades. The wage suppression happens in all fields - knowledge work via H1B, low skill retail, and mid-skill moderate training jobs line nursing. Furthermore, the assertion that women assimilate faster and learn new languages faster doesn’t have any basis in reality. In general someone that marries into the predominant culture will assimilate much faste…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:15 PM
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There’s no hypocrisy though. It’s bad to prejudge individuals as guilty before even innocent. It’s reasonable to take generalized cautions and uphold your values. I’m going to continue with my analogy here with race, as it makes it super easy to understand. It would be bad an unacceptable to treat a random young black man as if he was a criminal because he’s black and black communities have elevated crime rates. It would be smart to exercise elevated caution in general in dangerous cities like D…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:18 PM
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You’re conflating two different things though. Conservative men object to men being treated as bad as in criminal, and that being used to discriminate against men. In the same way that it’s wrong to treat all black men as criminals at an individual level. The fact that the group in the aggregate commits crime at elevated levels does not mean you get to create policy that impacts the individual. Get it? A conservative man that is protective of women in his life is not saying that men that want se…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:31 AM
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I think you are demonstrating a fairly poor understanding of the bigger picture and other economic incentives. Individual farmhands have had their labor undercut by undocumented immigrants while also competing against foreign processed foods. Do you think it makes sense or is fair that farmers make like $40k annually, while young urbanite slackers make triple that for putting together a lazy power point presentation that AI can now generate? Economic protectionism from foreign goods + preventing…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:16 AM
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Men don’t want to be pitted and comforted, they want to be valued and have purpose. If the “compassion” doesn’t translate to attraction or success, I’m not sure it changed much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:28 AM
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I think the septum piercing is definitely a persona where that theory is quite true anecdotally. I don’t believe a small stud or ring in one nostril is indicative of anything in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 02:16 PM
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Yeah for sure. My point is that we seem to have this very warped evaluation of historical gender roles by effectively looking at the male aristocracy (0.0001% of the population) and comparing them to female serfs. It’s just warped. I’m not saying everything was perfectly equal through our history. Obviously not. I’m merely posting out that a lot of the patriarchy rhetoric is kind of absurd, and human society has long been just as influenced by women and structured around their desires as men. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 11:08 PM
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Historically speaking no one could vote, men worked the field and women works at home - unless you were part of the nobility at which point you had access to higher ed (including women). It used to be you were not able to vote unless you owned property (so like less than 20% of the male population). Again large numbers of working men only got political and academic freedoms a couple decades earlier than women. The patriarchy narrative is a lot of nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 09:34 PM
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How many years back do you think this truth extends Beginning of human history until ~1850: humans were mostly agrarian societies. Men and women worked together generally as equals with very different biologically imposed roles. Plowing the fields and tending to kids were the options. A small ruling elite (of both genders) lived in luxury. ~1850-1950: the Industrial Revolution started to allow a much larger percentage of the population education and economic specialization. Originally, this was …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:42 PM
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No, I did not say women had more political representation in elected office in history. This thread was about modern SAHM’s having generally comfortable situations - with a lot of historical home labor being automated or outsourced. Women generally choosing not to work, in a world where they are quite free to orient their lives how they like. The question is who is responsible for this “system” - the answer is quite simply women, because definitionally they are choosing this lifestyle in the pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:24 PM
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I think it’s a pretty massive mistake to assume that because political leaders have skewed male that all of human society has been dominated and optimized for them. Looking at political leaders is like 0.0001% of the population, while also ignoring the fact that some of the most influential leaders in history were women (from Catherine to Victoria to Elizabeth). In most of human history you had elites and serfs. That was the real line - not men vs women. The Industrial Revolution+ started to giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:01 PM
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Humans. Billions of years of evolution. But if you need to pick a gender, women. They have (‘more’) selection power - the behavior is done primarily to please them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:29 PM
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It’s not that they “challenge” what men want - it’s simply that men do not particularly value or desire those traits in general. (I think OP is kind of conflating intelligence with career focus / assertiveness - so I do take issue with some of his phrasing. Men do value intellect.) It’s kind of like saying women must be “intimidated” by short, poor, uncharismatic men as evidenced by them not getting as much attention. No. It’s not intimidation. It’s that women are neutral if not negative on all …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:46 PM
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The dumbest comment you can find on the internet is not representative of majority or even common opinion. The internet has lots of hyperbole. Complaining about a behavior that is bad or hypocritical does not mean you hate the person or the group as a whole. You cannot avoid interaction with women. They are 50% of the population and they wield massive influence over all aspects of society that deeply impacts everyone even if you don’t say a word to one. None of your premises make much sense. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:28 PM
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Your definition is technically correct, but the issue is the disproportionate emphasis and warped weighting of it all. It should have near zero relevance in most modern political conversations. Generational wealth lasts three generations. Rattling off the last traces of barriers that were erased in the 50’s - early 70’s has some relevance to some people, but is no longer a chief grievance any one of working age today can claim as an obstacle. I could pick at your individual issues a little more.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:56 PM
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CRT debate is made up as well CRT was never taught in elementary schools CRY itself is a niche college curriculum, but it’s abundantly obvious that CRT influenced thinking has reached the mainstream even if people are not reading academic literature. The phrase “white privilege” and using it as a term to weight or dismiss the arguments of people is evidence of CRT inspired thinking. DEI initiatives are pretty obviously inspired by this thinking. Pretending that these ideas are restricted to PhD …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:27 PM
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Lots of words have really interesting entomology, but you can’t dig your heels in on some niche historical usage and ignore modern usage. If we accept only original definitions then the debate on many lgbt topics (like definition or woman or marriage) is open and shut case right? Yes you can trace woke to 60’s activism. It re-emerged more recently initially as a badge of honor among left-leaning folks with a definition “aware of historical systemic injustices” - associated more with academic cri…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:02 PM
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The observation that the distribution of personality traits varies a bit between men and women isn’t evidence of one being a second class citizen. The same personality trait difference can be expressed as positive for women and pejorative of men by saying women are empathetic and men are aggressive. To make the claim that people are second class citizens requires some actual evidence that they face systemic barriers and hardships. So I ask, again, what are those exactly? We see women encouraged …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:40 PM
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In what way are women second class citizens though?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:19 PM
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I don’t know why people struggle with this definition. Woke is evaluating everything first and foremost through the lens of power dynamics. That there are oppressed and oppressors, where the oppressed have no accountability whatsoever for their situation and all burden lies on the oppressors to resolve. It’s about establishing victimhood to dodge all responsibility. It was originally a badge of honor by people who advocated critical theory / intersectional types of historical analysis, and is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:09 PM
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aren’t even the majority of criminals They are absolute majority for some categories of violent crime. Murder, for example. while you ignore in general consistently being more of an issue I’m not ignoring it. I’m saying Group X is responsible for the majority of crimes or type Y, or group X commits crime Y at 8x the rate of others can be equally true on a few identity dimensions other than gender. That doesn’t negate gender, but it does highlight the absurdity of reductive statements. You need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:59 PM
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No racial conversations I wasn’t aware this sub had any rules on race. The point, however, was not to create a race based conversation - but to instead point out that some correlational traits don’t get us to the right place. Wrong. Theft an burglary is still white majority My comment was per capita. There are more white burglaries but they are 75% of the population while black is 13% With murder black people commit the nominal majority too. meanwhile male criminals consistently outnumber female…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:45 PM
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you want to make these superficial observations except for the most damning one: the gender of the criminal Actually, one trait has even stronger correlation to crime than the gender of the criminal - and that’s the race of the criminal. Men commit overall time at about 2.6 the rate of women, and violent crime at about 7.3 times the rate of women. Now black people commit crimes like robbery and theft at 8x the rate of other races. Judging by your avatar, I’m going to guess that you would object …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:14 PM
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Pointing out that most criminals are raised by single mothers - that the absence of a father is by far the number one predictor of crime - is simply a true statement. Creating stable, two parent homes is the best way to reduce crime. I don’t see any evidence at all that the statement blames women significantly more than men for this dynamic - it’s just as if it more commonly a call to men to step up. Women have gotten so accustomed to constant praise and zero accountability that the insinuation …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 03:08 PM
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Because evolutionary what you care about is resources and protection, not attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:38 PM
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We have known for a long time - really like most of human history - that men and women tend to have different emotional needs and ways of communicating. So of course TRP isn’t a new idea, it’s rooted in how men and women have behaved since the dawn of time. What has changed in recent years - really since social media+ - is that the woman’s perspective has been amplified and validated and the man’s shamed. That’s new. As in the last 10-15 years. This applauding of women and shaming of men has kin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 10:51 PM
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In scenarios where men contribute 70%+ of the money via work and women contribute 70% of household labor and then get divorced, there is a 50-50 asset split and alimony. That basically means the woman continues to receive the man’s labor while no longer having to provide any back. It does sound easier, though not necessarily fair. It also implies that of the couples that stay together, the women must be happy if they do not want that same deal. Which suggests the men are greater contributors in …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 03:49 PM
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Men are not intimidated by successful women. It’s just that (1) Men mostly don’t value the woman success as far potential partnership. I mean the by do a little, but not nearly to the same extent as women do. Basically successful women think their success should make them more desirable to men the way men’s success does to women… and it doesn’t. (2) Unlike men, women do not date men who make significantly less than them. At least not long term. Sure they might say they would, but they don’t. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 02:42 AM
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Feminism is a women’s empowerment movement that is justified on women having less overall power in society. Thus, from a feminists perspective, they are not obliged to worry about inequity that favored them because in the aggregate they’re still short straw. That’s not illogical. It might be wrong, but not illogical. There is a very good argument that we’ve gone as far as we can tearing down barriers, and the barriers that remain are inexorably tied to related privilege women enjoy. Which means …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 12:03 AM
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I mean, it’s kind of drivel that isn’t worth engaging with. I don’t see the assertion that women are not entitled to security. I see the idea that disconnected people will not feel obligated to go out of their way to defend others. It reads a bit like the bystander effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:45 AM
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Where is this even a thing? I’ve never once heard the idea that women are not entitled to safety. I have heard the idea that women’s fear of safety does not justify vilification of large groups of people. You’re not conflating those two, are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 11:31 PM
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I’m not sure I agree with the premise of the question - there are so many different situations here. In scenarios where the pregnancy is accidental, the woman has control over the effective birth control methods and abortion, the man is bound by her decision - and she can have financial incentive. This imbalance is unfair. In relationships that are a bit more open where cheating occurs, the parentage of the child might be in equation. It is unfair then to make a man pay for a kid that isn’t his.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 03:33 PM
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Which is what percentage of single moms, in your estimation ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 05:59 PM
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Wouldn’t not having a male role model & seeing a healthy long term relationship cause one to miss out on certain types of positive modeling? Wouldn’t a single person having to balance children and career inevitably cause compromise on one of the two, resulting in either less structure or more poverty which has those outcomes? Like I don’t really see a lot of reason to believe this is coincidental.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 11:44 PM
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The best predictor for crime and low success of a child is having a single mom / no dad in the picture. The results are abysmal. No shade at single moms: there are great ones and it’s hard af. But it shouldn’t be a goal to create more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 09:40 PM
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OP explicitly specified the west. This is an English language, US-based .com site. The scope of the conversation is presumed to be the English speaking western nations unless otherwise specified. It’s modern fourth wave feminism that uses this “patriarchy” language about systems in the west. To extrapolate anything about western culture by finding the most regressive non western societies on earth is not being terribly intellectual honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 03:36 PM
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These gripes are not contradictory. They both have the same fundamental root cause here: women tend to have inflated evaluation of (1) their value on the sexual marketplace and (2) their contribution to relationships. A big causation to (1) is that men will sleep with women below their level have no intent on settling with, and both (1) and (2) are fueled by a a lot social media and ultra feminist stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 05:55 PM
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Star athletes in many sports tend to peak in their late 20’s, not early. Top basketball players for example are at their absolute best around 27. So I think physically is still pretty debatable where exactly it is. Generally, peak in the context of this is defined as “maxim desirability to the opposite sex” as opposed to some definition based on physical aptitude or metabolism. Thus peak in that context is defined by what society - and women in particular - value. And generally they value abilit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:53 PM
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if men actually used apps the way they are supposed to be used So think of it like job or college applications. It used to be that people would apply to 5 or 6 of them at once, and aim for the most realistic matches and know that probably 2-3 of them would accept them. Nowadays jobs and universities will ghost you despite being way above their qualification bar. Seems like they are aiming for rich students and aggressive social engineering. So what does the applicant do? Apply more places. Espec…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 02:21 AM
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I think a lot of the pressures on women to settle down quickly are a function of their shorter reproductive window. A woman that wants her own biological children kinda wants to be done having them before 35; you get at elevated risks and more difficulty conceiving. She also inevitably bears more burden feeding an infant. Men do not have that pressure biologically, and also tend to marry down in age accordingly. We can try to socially engineer around that more but like the basic inequity is root…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 07:46 PM
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As far as why lesbians divorce at far higher rates than gay men, I do think it’s worth normalizing on how long the couple was together before marriage. Couples that marry too quickly tend to divorce. Gay men have a bit of a reputation for being causal / promiscuous in their youth - which at least from my rather limited view seems true. Conversely, there’s a joke about lesbians: what do they bring for the second date? A UHaul. Thus I would actually kind of invert the thinking a little here - the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 03:11 AM
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Here’s a study on the topic
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 02:24 AM
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I think the answer is even simpler: Marriage is ultimately a contract around assets and support; in most jurisdictions it defaults towards 50-50 asset splits and alimony. This is generally better for the lower income earner than the higher when there is a major delta. This Is why you don’t see as pronounced a gender delta in other breakups outside of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:33 AM
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Correct. When you live under existential threat you don’t get to be an all volunteer army, or have some conscription laws on the book that only like 15% of the people opt into.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:57 PM
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This post is about Ukraine. It’s great to have idealistic statements about how the military should function, but when your country is being invaded by a foreign nation like you lose a lot of “wouldn’t X be nice” ideals.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:18 PM
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Let’s say you have a job - like building a house - that needs 10 people. You have 7. Some aspects - the electrical work or plumbing - can only be done by 3 of your specialists. What happens? Well, lots of the work doesn’t get done or people get over-exerted by doing multiple jobs. Let’s say there are another 7 people available to help, but they all say “nah, we’re not going to help at all because we wouldn’t have an equal number of people doing electrical/plumbing work because we don’t have thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:27 PM
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I’m actually for the Nordic models The Nordic model is traditionally all men are conscripted briefly. More recently it’s everyone is technically in the conscription pool but functionally only 15% or people are conscripted and 2/3rds of them men. It’s also somewhat low stakes since functionally Nordic defense is subsidized to the United States and they never deploy their troops anywhere anyways. I don’t see how this is a repeatable system.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:13 PM
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Having more people available for support functions doesn’t force more people into the frontlines. The number of people you need to win the war and in each role is a sort of fixed number. If you have less than you need, you lose the war of attrition. It’s that simple. If you’re resourced constrained then every role will have less people than it needs. Women saying “nah, I don’t want to do that” means men have to, which spreads every other org thin.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:07 PM
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The biggest opposition for women in combat roles is traditionally men in combat roles No, it’s that they’re less physically capable of those roles while injecting undesirable dynamics in to the org. The people doing the fighting don’t want them there Okay, so no reason to force women into combat roles - they’re not as well suited, they don’t want to be there, and men don’t want them there. But the majority of the army is support and logistics rather than frontline infantry. In the US military to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:42 PM
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Radical feminists especially despise this line of thinking Radical feminists tend to be fairly consistent in their beliefs and egalitarian in their own relationships. The issue is in how they evaluate women who do not share their conclusions or behavior. They will declare the women have internalized misogyny, and thus the problem is again men or “the system” (of unwritten social norms, not anything codified that can be addressed) or something fairly hand-wavy that deflects that accountability. E…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 06:17 PM
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OP’s post is not well articulated and is a bit hyperbolic. Let me attempt to to state this more clearly: The most basic assertion is (significantly) increased hypergamy: that a large number of women are competing for a small number of successful men. Online dating is an enabler of this because while women tend to evaluate / value personality heavily and form attraction over time, online dating eliminates that which instead evaluates on looks & money in the first filter over a much larger populat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:19 PM
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That way, men will know that they need to meet certain standards, so they will need to work on them Well kind of, but hypergamy isn’t about creating a set of “standards” that most can achieve. Hypergamy is about dating someone that is of higher social status / desirability than oneself. What many women are attracted to is being successful. Making money. Being at the top of social hierarchies. It is fundamentally a pyramid that a small percentage of people are on the top of, and “raising standard…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:29 PM
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It really depends on the nature of the work both people do. It’s somewhat rare for both parties to make similar amounts of money working similar time. If there is a clear breadwinner that makes 70% of the money, I might expect that person to do 30% of the work rather than 50%. I get really confused by just how much women bitch about housework. Like it’s really crazy to me. I have a 3 bed / 2 bath home with 2 children and 2 cats in it. It takes like maybe 8 hours a week to keep clean. 30-45 min p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 07:51 AM
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The MeToo movement was a “please don’t rape or sexually harass me movement” It stared off as a movement of exposing monsters, then turned into a lot of accusations that turned out to be fabricated attempts to go for blood and channel every grievance women have with the world (see Aziz or other), then it turned into a bit of vilification on men as a whole (see the popularization of the term “toxic masculinity”). if men feel like they don’t know how to date without being rapists See, you just did …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 08:22 AM
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Men are miserable because they’ve stopped hanging out with and taking care of each other Men are complaining that DEI efforts are discriminating against and vilifying them and that modern dating / hook up culture has amplified hypergamy. That’s totally fair. Men, in general, tend to have fewer but close relationships. Men don’t bitch that their friends suck; they tend to be more robust than female friendships. Many young men have had two years of peak socialization time cut off by the pandemic. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 08:26 PM
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Progressives have, for several generations now, gotten used to winning the culture war. They seem to believe that because people on their "side" were right in the past, it's evidence that they are right in the present. That's a bit of a logical fallacy. As such, we tend to see our values as capital-C Correct and their success inevitable It's survivalship bias. The great ideas that pushed us forward obviously look great in hindsight, while the stupid ideas that never got traction are quickly forg…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:58 PM
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There’s been no reliable data There’s the CDC’s self reported data which isn’t terrible. It does suggest there’s a group of men with a lot of sexual partners, whereas women have slightly more at the moderate levels. the 80/20 rule or any variant of “attractive men are having sex with the vast majority of women” I didn’t claim the absurd, I merely said the distribution is different. The idea that women have fun and make mistakes with bad boys or reaching for hyper successful men does seem to have…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 09:18 PM
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The dating apps used to publish stats of match rates and swipe by race / gender / age, but have mostly stopped doing so as the conclusions aren’t awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 08:27 PM
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I’m just not sure if that proves anything in particular though. There are some big time variables here in that the uh recipient is at generally higher risk of contraction and that women go to the doctor more and thus have better detection rates. Looking at only this data requires you to discard data of reported number of sexual partners, and and data from things like dating apps - which suggests that the distribution curve is a bit different between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:54 PM
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The electorate is 51% women, and their votes cannot be cracked or packed. Places where the people support abortion have abortion, where they don’t they don’t. Women control the highest efficiency birth control and contraceptives, and can unilaterally decide on abortion (in most places). They can conversely unilaterally decide to bind a man legally to the fetus. Until there some recognition that women have far more control and choice already thus discussion will go nowhere. This discussion will g…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:00 AM
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I think first and foremost asking men to watch a show about women being neurotic about their lives and relationships is just sounds horrible. Like watching drama about day to day nothings is grating in the same way listening to a baby cry on an airplane is annoying. Like I would simply prefer silence. I imagine you have an equivalent. Maybe football, who knows. Most men are simply bored by day to day interpersonal conflicts and crave peace, and their entertainment / fantasy they want from televi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 08:58 PM
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Women who don’t live in the West still count as women Of course. But we are implicitly talking about Feminism in the west and primarily the United States - and hence me stating the scope of my comment. Feminists in the U.S. are primarily concerned with equal outcome in positions of power and the perception of non inclusion; their top priority is not women in other parts of the world (though they do obviously agree it’s a problem). half of STEM graduates are women Kinda, but not really. We’re now…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:36 PM
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I’m not sure “women’s standards are too high” is actually the correct distillation of the problem. A slightly more correct framing of the problem is “women expect their partners to be higher SMV than themselves”. The reason for this is twofold: Men will sleep with women that are lower SMV than themselves, but will not commit to them. This confuses women, because they think after sleeping with them they start to have that comment. Hence situation-ship. Women are applauded by other women rooting f…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 08:26 PM
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I’m talking about actual feminism where women strive for equality and don’t want to be treated like second class citizens In 2024 in the west, I struggle to see how women are actually treated as second class citizens. Whenever women are asked what specific barriers exist or rights they have that men do not, the answer is nothing codified - instead you get a word salad of unequal outcomes at the c-suite level and feelings; not a systemic barrier. Feminists will tend to look at representation in c…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:41 AM
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Why do you keep thinking about these as mutually exclusive things? Some people are shitty because they are crazy or psychopaths or just pushes to an emotional limit in the heat of a moment. Sure, that’s a thing. More people are shitty because their shitty behavior is unchecked or even rewarded. A greedy CEO is shitty because the system rewards him financially for his behavior. The answer isn’t to hope and pray that CEO’s become better people, it’s to change the rules such that good behavior rewa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 06:32 PM
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I’m not interested in them - did you not read my original post or are you getting threads mixed up? It’s perfectly reasonable to opine on a problem that has an appreciable negative impact on society even if I am not an active participant in that problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 03:17 PM
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men who are only motivated by pussy are pathetic and mentally ill I’m not sitting here apologizing for single minded people. I’m merely pointing out that if you have a problematic behavior, and people reward and incentivize the behavior - they are just as much a problem. the same thing with men Of course. This is a human problem, not fault that is specific to a gender. However, we as a society are rather quick reprimand and condemn men whose behaviors are problematic - and we are not as quick to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:17 AM
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Normal people just focus on healthy relationships and normal people Yes, that’s what they do at an individual level. But surely an individual who has a healthy individual life and relationships is allowed to have some social commentary on broader social trends, no? Like I’ve been married for 15 years and I have daughters not sons. I’m past the point of these types of relationships issues or inequities impacting me personally. But surely I can offer the social commentary in this metoo equal outco…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:17 PM
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why do you think there are so many men who are short, ugly, bald, poor with poor fashion sense who are able to attract well enough Fundamentally women, generally, are attracted to three things: Looks Money / success / being top of social hierarchies Confidence / entertainment The first two tend to be filters in like dating apps, the third is more for getting second+ dates. Women value the money - success bit as much or more than looks, and they do form personality based attractions more than men…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:01 PM
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Long term relationships require trust and deeply knowing a person. Do you really think it’s possible to have such a relationship while hiding or lying about one’s past?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:26 PM
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Single women are the most self actualized demographic. Married men as well. You do the math. When males say that single women are lonely and bitter they are doing projection of their situation being without female partner. Same simply just doesn't apply to women. Yeah this is just wrong. Young women (under ~27 or so) are happy being single because they receive a ton of pretty privilege. They are constantly doted on, given tons of attention / opportunity. Older women - widowed, as they tend to ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:53 AM
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That's not really true. A fair percentage of men do care - so for longer term relationships it is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:44 AM
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I’m rather skeptical of any claim or “stat” that is un-cited that refers to IQ. IQ tests are not regularly given the population and are kind of sus to begin with; so any study using it is small sample size. It tends to be used as a clickbait-y headline where IQ is inferred by some other bell curve attribute correlating for intelligence (like education level or income or whatever). That said, I’m not sure why this is gendered. Intelligence going up tends to correlate with more isolation (and unha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:17 PM
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Because if the reason they changed is applicable to other types contracts or even the absence of them, then you’re not differentiating why marriage has this unique property. The government has voided types of contracts or altered parameters around them. The government has created legal states of people who co-habitate (common law). It is obviously true that the government “could” change something - but we do live in a democracy where that change requires pretty large scale consent. You have to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 10:46 PM
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Your arrogant tone is completely unwarranted. No fault divorce comes from women’s lib era of the 70’s among other major inequities. It as an example of potential change is silly. The tax code is subject to changes annually on all sorts of dimensions. The government looks to incentivize marriage so the hypothetical penalization is unwarranted. These are contrived and not especially valid answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 09:57 PM
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Do you have any evidence of those changes? I just enumerated all the reasons to do it, and the primary reason not to (it being a liability to a disproportionally higher earning typically male partner).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:45 PM
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Marriage is a handful of legal agreements that you can peacemeal with independent docs, sure. But like why to that? It’s extra steps with minor-ish friction that comes with having to explain your functionality equivalent status with alternate identical contracts. If you want to take a lot of steps to circumvent the word marriage that’s one’s prerogative I guess - but it seems like a contrarian political statement than an actual reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:37 PM
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The courts and law enforcement favoring women is demonstrable thought the legal systems. The DoJ has some pretty detailed reports showing that in all levels of the justice system women are less likely to be detained, receive lighter sentences, and are believed by default. You can read up here. I’m not suggesting that the courts are the cause of all of these social standards and inequities; they are merely a reflection of it. Asking why men are less distrusting of a system that demonstrably biase…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:47 PM
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Thats a lot of it, but not the entirety. Yes, a person entering the marriage (man or woman) with significantly higher assets or earning potential is at elevated risk - and in your example it totally makes sense for the woman to be the one asking for prenup. However, most people tend to get married before their careers really kick in and earning potential differential is more obvious. It’s super common for a man and women to graduate with similar potential earning degrees, but the woman opt for l…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:17 PM
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Marriage is fundamentally a tax and shared asset status, along with some other bits like power of attorney / visitation status. You can say it’s “not a requirement” anymore, but if you live with someone long enough you become functionally married by number of shared assets. This is precisely why “common law marriage” is a thing. This is doubly true with children. You can co-parent without out technically being married, but it does create a lot of constant little obstacles in little guardianship.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:35 PM
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“being indifferent to the outcome of your actions” So you want a good looking, fun man who is not [initially] invested in the interaction with you. Am I getting that right? A man being truly indifferent, confident, carefree with you initially implies he has a ton of options and on some level is higher value in the sexual marketplace than you. With, in general, men as initiators and women as selectors in relationships men are effectively trying to pursue the most desirable woman they can while wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 04:07 PM
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can get occasional hook ups with below average girls Hooking up with ugly girls (as in a bit below one’s attractiveness level) is not appealing. can reliably get hook ups assuming good social skills and game So you’re acknowledging the delta here isn’t just looks, but a kind of specific persona? I mentioned in my first answer that what women say they are attracted to and what they are actually attracted to is not the same. Most women will say they want a nice guy with aspirations that treats the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 12:25 AM
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I’m still genuinely confused as to why guys prefer to invest into each individual woman in order to get sexual access instead of investing that time into improving their looks which is going to lower the amount of effort required for all future encounters. If you look at how men rate women on dating sites, they rate women pretty evenly on a bell curve on a 1-10 scale of attractiveness. This shows that there’s basically linear reward for women incrementally improving their looks. Meanwhile if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 08:03 PM
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just treat women as regular people who have sex and make babies What is a “regular person” though? Men and women have fairly different socialization and standard place on them, tend to want different things from each other, which creates very different experiences when dating. You question is amount to wishing the female and male experience were the same or that one should be the “default”. what makes “nice guys” play the long game What makes guys play the long game is Women tend to form their a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:10 PM
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It’s not the jobs aren’t “valued”. It’s that most people are capable of doing those jobs with moderate training, lots of people want to do it due to the combination of flexible / optimal part time hours & enjoying care, the impact of 1:1 is limited and doesn’t scale, and they are for non-profit industries that we work to make widely available at low cost to the population. Those are obvious, natural economic forces.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 11:02 AM
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Wait why though? The LGBT community or POC’s never did that, at least until recently. The gay rights movement never tried to define “toxic straightness” nor did civil rights activists refer to “toxic whiteness”. Once the woke community started to use “cis white male” as a pejorative to silence, that’s when people started push back. Same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 01:23 AM
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Sure, but it doesn’t benefit men either. Fundamentally the assertion is that women have less power and influence, and therefore they must get it at the expense of men. That does not benefit men. It just appeals to their sense of fairness. The civil rights movement didn’t “benefit” white people, but it had a ton of white advocates because it appealed to their values. I’d the civil rights movement was antagonistic and asserted western / white European society was inherently bad and a thing to torn…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:29 PM
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Must a political movement be defined by an enemy that has to be beaten?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:17 PM
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I mean not really. Feminism can still focus its energy on outcome deltas between men and women and focus entirely on elevating women. Even if done without blaming men, it’s still kind of zero sum in nature. Like prioritizing women owned businesses or women politicians is still taking opportunity from men. It wouldn’t doesn’t benefit them. It just wouldn’t be objectionable to men because it would seem fair and reasonable to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:16 PM
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That’s a no true Scotsman argument. There is no test or certification to be a feminist; and thus feminism is defined by self identification and how that collective presents itself. Thus the aggregate media presentation of feminism is feminism. Modern fourth wave feminism asks you to take this idea of patriarchy - that society is male dominated for the benifit of men - as a presupposition, and that it must be removed. That is sus and I would argue just wrong, and the manifestation for that is the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:11 PM
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Feminism is a women’s empowerment movement first and foremost. Helping men isn’t its goal. I think you kind of have to define it by the current activists (rather than historical wins) - and yes, it’s currently antagonistic towards men and blaming them for outcome differences. I think it’s at least possible for feminism to take a less antagonistic approach and more inward/reflective one that kind of focuses on how women can act differently (as a group or individuals) that is less blame-y towards …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:33 PM
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Pointing out that, say 70%+, of people tend to behave a particular way based on qualitative and quantitative data, based on some obvious incentives, tends to be valid. Saying that 30% people do not does not render the observation invalid. Most rejection of aggregate trends is by people that wish it wasn’t true because of a political goal, or they lack self awareness (in the same way that everyone thinks advertising doesn’t work on them). Yes it’s important to not be reductive and speak in absolu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:28 PM
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It sure suggests he does. The value of something - anything really - is determined by the demand of a thing relative to its [lack of] supply. So if a woman wants a particularly high value man, she needs to be as high value to him as he to her. You might assert she’s “good” enough in some moral human value sense, but a person with a combination of values attributes has a lot of options. Harvard gets a ton of applicants. Most are qualified (good enough), but because everyone wants to be there they…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 05:41 PM
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Why? If a person cannot find someone that “meets their standards”, it is almost definitionally states that men who do meet those standards are rare. Being rare but also not available in a world where online dating is common and women wield a ton of selection power implies that the traits she is seeking is in high demand. So if the men she seeks are uninterested in her when her gender wields more selection power, it rather suggests that she does not bring enough value to the table to attract the …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 03:10 PM
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business are the ones who benefit from there being a lot of workers Right. So if there are less available workers and businesses most compete for the workers, businesses will offer more benefits to retain workers. Currently companies in high value knowledge work will offer women generous maternity leave because that talent is rare. Like filling an open rec for a top tech person will take at least a quarter, and then another quarter of onboarding. Which means you’re already at 6 months, so you mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:04 AM
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You’re saying they’re not insurmountable without actually providing a resolution
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 06:26 PM
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if we want society to continue, we have to give women the resources to have kids As a society, kind of - but that doesn’t translate to making businesses subsidize prolonged and often nondeterministic absence. There are a lot of ways to give women resources - government aid, or alternatively a good enough economy where either (a) the employee is valuable enough that they will naturally want to hold the position, or (b) is supremely easy to find a new jobs. Culturally, job hopping in the U.S. is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 05:05 PM
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The United States is the only country to put a man on the moon. The United States uses imperial units, which are calibrated against human use cases, for day to day. The U.S. tends to use metric units, which are optimized for order of magnitude and unit conversion, in scientific domains where that property is most valuable. Sure seems like we’re doing it right. The only additive value of measuring system beyond that is standardization for things like construction materials and consumer products. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 04:52 PM
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I understand income distribution. The U.S. median income is still appreciably higher - the U.S. is 37.5k to Europe’s 28k. It’s not just the top warping averages, it’s true in general. You can most certainly point out that Europe does a better job eliminating the worst poverty, though it is at the expense of 80% of its population and there are some arguments that some of it is cultural (as European countries are more homogenous).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 01:58 PM
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rest of the developed world does just fine Who are you referring to specifically? The per capita GDP of the U.S. is 80k to Europe’s 56k. The EU is struggling a bit with global competitiveness and the weight of its entitlement. Only the U.S., much like the metric system it stays behind How is does not using the metric system cause you to say behind? Last I checked, zero countries that use the metric system have put a man on the moon
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 05:06 AM
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Holding a position for a person - particularly one that may or may not come back - is a huge expense for a company. It means a critical job isn’t being done. The majority of businesses and almost half of employees in the U.S. are small businesses. A shop or restraint or consulting company or whatever might only be 5-10 employees. The competitive advantage of the United States is small businesses and start ups. You can’t hobble them. If you force businesses to incur huge risk and cost for materni…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 02:48 AM
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This article is phrased in the past tense - many Gen Z adults reported they didn’t date in high school. But like, weren’t many of those adults in high school when schools were shut down because of a global pandemic? Lotta people lost a year or of high school from ages 16-18… so, duh? I mean I believe it’s also trending down in general too, but I wonder how much or that was one time spike
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 07:50 PM
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Couples I know personally all have very similar background, education level, income and even attractiveness level I find this is true except for the income bit. I can’t think of a couple I know where the woman makes more money. In most cases the couples started off at similar incomes right out of school, but by mid 30’s the women opted for reduced hours or stay at home and now it’s not especially close. There are a lot of Gen Z’ers on Reddit that swear it’s different for them and they’ll always …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 05:39 AM
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Women. In 2024 in the west, I don’t even see how a person can objectively argue otherwise. Women control the vast majority of consumer spending & are the selectors in relationships - much of western society is oriented around there desires. They receive favorable treatment by the law in all dimensions of it. They are believed by default and protected, have affirmative actions that boost their success, and government programs designed to catch them and prevent them from falling into poverty. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 01:54 AM
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There is this believe here that most older men want to boycott women their own age and go for women in their 20s only. However it seems to me a lot of older guys probably end up with younger women because of the math. On average men tend to be a couple years older than their partner. 'Math' says that's fine; there's no inequity in matching up if women tend to date slightly older and guys slightly younger. It just means younger guys have a rough go for the first couple years on the dating market,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 08:26 PM
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I reject the premise a bit here - I’m not sure where you’re finding large number of men (like 30/40+) stating they want to go after barely legal girls. You do need to remember that Reddit’s demographics are disproportionately younger - it’s a lot of teenagers & 20-something college students. So line 18-22 year olds going for 18-19 year olds is normal. Go to pornhub - milf and stepmom type of fantasy’s are top of the list. The kind of general consensus is women are at peak physical beauty in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 04:53 PM
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This is absurd. In 2024 in the west, by virtually every objective measure, women have more societal support. They’re educated at higher rates, protected by the legal a system, do not fall though the cracks of our system (into homelessness/depression) at as high rates. Women look at the top 0.005% of society and say “look the hyper-competitive workaholics are men, the world is unfair” without looking at the bottom 20% of society (where most of our addicts/homeless/traumatized whatever are men) or…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:11 PM
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Rudy Golbert It’s worth noting - if you’re not a big NBA fan - is that Golbert is a particularly divisive NBA player. He’s widely viewed as overrated and overpaid, including by other NBA players within the league. The timberwolves traded a fortune of assets to get him, and were ridiculed for it - initially the trade looked absurdly bad. He’s also the dude that famously touched everything right as Covid started, ridiculing all the safety protocols… and then immediately got Covid and was patient z…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:22 AM
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The idea that red pill = forever alone misery and blue pill = widespread social acceptance is just.. not right. The philosophy kind of dictates how you think about self improvement, relationships, and the like have - it doesn’t magically change how you are treated. Plenty of red pill folks are quite happy and content in relationships, plenty of blue people are lonely simps. In simplest terms red pill is a pragmatic way of looking at people’s incentives, blue pill is fairly idealistic view of hum…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:28 PM
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I don’t understand why men care about this so much Out of curiosity, do you also not understand why black people get offended at the fear white people have of getting jumped or robbed by them? The aggregate of that individual manifestation of fear is that white people will cross the street when a black person is approaching them, or will follow them in a store to make sure they are not shoplifting, or law enforcement will generally bias against them, or people are hesitant to form relationships …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 10:19 PM
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I don’t see how your comments actually disprove anything OP is stating. He’s asserting that male values to women is largely based on social standing within a hierarchy. You are stating you have a basic looks/age filter, and everything after that is “character, charisma, interest, etc” - which is effectively referring to that social standing. OP’s 8/10 or 10/10 type of framing is obviously simplistic, there’s not a perfect singular and objective hierarchy - it’s just hierarchical in nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 03:30 PM
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very real threat of being murdered by a man Okay, but for starters 80% of homicide victims are male. Of the 4,970 female murder victims in the U.S. in 2021, 34% were killed by an intimate partner. So that’s like 1,500 women. So that’s a 0.0008%, and ten times less likely than dying in a car crash. So what precisely makes this a “very real” or data driven threat?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 03:18 PM
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https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/women-more-selective-80-men-unattractive-on-dating-apps-recent-research Okay, so Men rate women on normal bell curves of desirability Women are much more selective and unrealistic in their assessment (to the point of memes like https://igotstandardsbro.com) The feminist ideals that women articulate are bot aligned with what they are attracted to and cause some cognitive dissonance What’s hard to grok about this? Where is your evidence than men do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 04:25 PM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886920304876
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 04:17 PM
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Lol no it isn’t. Pointing out that there is some does not negate the reality that is much more common in one group than another. I don’t know why you want this to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 04:06 PM
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Degrees matter here. Yes everyone is capable of being overly idealistic, but this type of cognitive dissonance is higher with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 03:48 PM
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Because what women say they want and value and how they behave who they select are very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 03:03 PM
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Unfortunately, the worst abusers are very good at hiding the signs of their abusive tendencies early on No, they’re not. It’s that when someone is in love/lust they’re less receptive to seeing the signs. It’s hard to differentiate red flags when wearing rose colored glasses. There’s a good reason men have zero problem identifying other men with abusive tendencies: we’re not attracted to it. The kind of unfortunate reality is many of the very traits women are most attracted to - assertive confide…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 03:00 PM
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I’m not really sure there’s a terribly high correlation between degree and attractiveness. You can probably make some broad generalities like STEM draws introverts that tend to be successful, which may or may not be appealing. ‘[Fill in the blank ethnicity or gender] Studies’ tend to be filled with unbearable political zealots with no sense of humor Finance and Business draws a lot of bro type men and assertive / go-getter women. Again, a type more than yes-no. Psychology and a few other fluffie…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:29 PM
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if women are so prone to “monkey branch” as hypergamy says, why all the jealousy and interest in wedding and settling down In any competitive hierarchy, you still need to defend your current position if you are trying to move up. If you are using relationships to climb socioeconomic ladders, then marriage has some opportunity cost but is very low risk because terminating the marriage still puts you an advantaged position (entitling you to half). Marriage tends to suggest the women has claimed al…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:27 PM
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Women initiate the majority of divorces, and one of the top predictors is the man losing his job. Women having a far greater tendency to marry up for financial mobility also explains the delta in this behavior with ill partners: inheritance / life insurance pays out the lower income woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 06:49 AM
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Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada, as well as much of Europe. I don’t think dating, family relationships, and everything around woke-ness are appreciably different where it is legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:25 AM
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I think a few things are being conflated here. To start, by and large, men are not asking to cry / express grief / show emotion / seek comfort in public. Feminist women are suggesting men “should” do so - but their incentive is attacking toxic masculinity and advocating their preferred way to react to stress. Women do not actually value men whom do so as partners; they simply want men they are less interested in to engage as they do. Many men do wish for more mental health resources, yes, but in…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 12:36 AM
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Here’s the thing: ugly people of both genders are undesirable to the opposite gender, end of story. A 3 of 10, man or woman, is not going to be desired by the opposite sex (short of obscene money/fame). Period. The difference is that once a man is at lest ‘normal looking’ - like 5/10 - then it’s easier for personality & social clout/wealth to take over and be the primary differentiator. With women, the difference between a 5/6/7/8+ is stark and and much more directly corresponds to desirability.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 11:15 PM
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bring half the paycheck, clean the house, cook most of the means, take care of the kids — why do I even need you? This reality isn’t especially representative of reality. In virtually every relationship with kids the implicit expectation is the lower / secondary income earner takes on more home chores, and true income equality means chop of chores. But you mentality/framing is indicative of the kind of core purple pill problem: Women never marry down on the socioeconomic ladder or take a man who…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 11:03 PM
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having to be more aware of my overall safety This is one that I always really wonder if it’s reality or perception. Like statistically men experience higher victimization rates of all types of violent crime - except sexual assault, which is perpetuated by associates rather than randos. Like I think the actual data says that the whole being jumped in a dark alley type of fear isn’t actually a gender specific risk in all actuality, but I wouldn’t argue with you a second about the perception differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 06:11 AM
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or that women who are lucky to meet non-abusive partners stop at one or two (and therefore out of competition), whilst those who stay in the game revivals the same pool of abusive men Men have a slightly higher mean and median number of partners, so that idea that ‘good’ men are taken quickly and do not date at same levels as women seems improbable. I hope the true percentage of men whom are capable of domestic violence is less than 6% Again if you use police reports as a figure, you get 1.5% if…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 07:32 PM
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It is true that someone whom looks & acts like a lowlife hoodlum is substantially more likely to be violent than someone whom does not. It is also true that there are people whom do not look like low income life hoodlums are the only people capable of violence. Nowhere did I claim that eliminating major power dynamics guarantees you will avoid all issues, I said it is the obvious first stating point for dramatically reducing probability.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 07:12 PM
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But again, think about the implications of that for a moment. If 1/3 of women experience abuse in ~1 of their ~5 partners, that suggests that there is a small number of manipulative men responsible for abuse and that some women have a harder time predicting. If instead those 1/3 of women experience abuse in most of their 5 partners whereas the other 2/3 of women do not, this suggests the woman is the predictor of abuse rather than the man - which mean a spectacular selection failure on obvious d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 05:22 PM
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I’m saying that power differential is usually a factor in abuse, so looking for ways to avoid that is a good start. Suggesting people pursue equal partners does not suggest they should be unambitious - I think it’s the opposite, suggesting individual ambition rather than ambition by latching on to one:
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:43 PM
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Elaborate please? It’s pretty widely held belief that a key component of abuse is power differential, and minimizing power differential (income, connections, age/experience) seems like a rather good start. Obviously it is it not a guarantee but like it’s it’s pretty solid place to start from.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:40 PM
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The stats of 1/3 of women experiencing some form of abuse in their life and 4-5 partners on average (mean & median) are fairly authoritative and derived from organizations focused on women’s health. If one third of men were abusive and the tendency to abuse evenly distributed and non predictable to women, then the majority of women would experience abuse and women’s advocacy groups whom are incentivized to over report are actually under reporting. Thus if 1/3 of women are abused and 1/3 of men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:02 PM
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I didn’t make unsubstantiated claims - I cited authoritative data sources. The derivation is napkin math based off of some reasonable assumptions. You can also compare to other sources often cited as an under-report (ie, police calls). The point was to correctly frame the issue as how to avoid a small number of toxic men. To nit pick and sow doubt into that framing without replacing it with a better methodology isn’t a neutral “I’m just pointing out flaws” stance - it’s a dispute of the framing …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 03:22 PM
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Based on what data exactly? The other data point is calls to authorities (police reports, call centers). As I mentioned in another comment, police calls - not arrests, simply calls - as a data source would suggest closer to 1.5% of men as a high estimate for more serious abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 03:04 PM
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This stat comes from the CDC in 2019. Hook up culture does result in a minority of the population having far higher body counts and warped perceptions, but the median for both genders is still low single digits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 02:56 PM
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This is a US & European site and the question was framed as dating in the west. I’m not able to opine on the developing world or other cultures. The sexual partner estimate is from the CDC. To your comments about being trapped with no leverage or abusive men seeking those with low self esteem, I agree - which is precisely why my advice was to seek men whom are your equals on many dimensions. Avoiding power imbalances is like a good start to avoiding abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 02:54 PM
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If you don’t like that napkin math, we can come at it from the other side. Florida has the most transparent/searchable police stats. In the state in 2020 there were 106k domestic violence reports to police in a population of 5.9 million adult men. That’s not arrests, just reports. If you assume that each one of these incidents was from a different person - which is probably quite wrong but gives you a rather higher upper boundary - that means 1.6% of men were involved in abuse report. And sure, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 02:41 PM
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Which part do you not understand or agree with? 1/3 of women being abused is the commonly cited World Health Organization estimates. 5 sexual partners on average is from the CDC. 1/3 * 1/5 is fifth grade math. If one third of women have experienced abuse in 1 of their 5 partners, you get 6%.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 07:17 AM
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If approximately one in three women encounters some form abuse in her life (the commonly cited stat) and women have on average approximately 4-5 partners over her lifetime, that suggests that 1/3 * 1/5 of men are abusive. 1/15 is about 6%. So finding a man that isn’t abusive isn’t finding a needle in a haystack, it’s about avoiding the worst 6% of men. It’s a not terribly hard problem when viewed through that lens. The kind of problem is that there’s a lot of layers of social pressures that caus…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:54 AM
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many women are still denied education, freedom of expression, equal Where and how, exactly? I of course recognize that parts of the developing world has issues, but the presence of structural barriers in other parts of the world (that were similar to 100+ years ago challenges of the west) are not evidence of modern US-Europe issues, nor are they justifications for the specific remedies US feminists prescribe. the vast majority of women have been sexually harassed / assaulted The actual numbers f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 08:11 PM
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If someone says something absurd and non representative / not widely believed, they are downvoted and corrected. If someone says something is observably true in general (or there is a seizable percentage of the population with the trait in one gender but not another), there always someone from the other group trying to dispel the assertion. The reason is often lacking self awareness and/or simply not wanting the assertion to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 02:19 AM
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The fundamental problem with 4th wave feminism is its it tends to anchor on proxy metrics (like percentage of women in particular industries but not others), and then in turn axiomatically attributes all differing results to discrimination (which is often internalized bias). It concludes that the most important thing is to correct the aggregate power differential between men and women - which in many cases is not truly measurable and is instead perceived - with the assumption that doing so will …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 07:44 PM
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Isn’t it relatively obvious that when talking about 50 percent of the population that when someone says “women/men do X” it’s actually shorthand for “A large percentage of women/men do X, and societal norms hold them to a different level of accountability than the other gender when doing so” I don’t see how explicitly stating the implied caveats change the dialog.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:01 PM
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I don’t quite follow the assertion here. There are plenty of times men are the catch. There’s not some perpetual selection advantage to one over the other, though it does manifest differently and at different times. Sufficiently successful men (like the wealthy) tend to have women compete for his attention. Women approaching the end of their fertility years face a screaming biological clock and will compete over remaining stable and established men. So yes, in like college and though most of one…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:06 AM
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The CDC’s numbers on number of sexual partners does show a bell curve on number of sexual partners. It doesn’t show sexually inactive, but the next source I could find suggests 30% of young men men are sexually inactive, compared to 18% of young women. This does suggest that 20% of men are having 80% of casual sex (I think poster above had a typo), and the number of hyper sexual women is there but smaller. Anyways that stuff mostly tracks with op’s comment of bell curves and much of the activity…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:53 AM
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I don’t quite understand why you think debate on gender roles in society is especially related to love. It’s completely orthogonal - such debates don’t particularly suggest the presence or absence of it at all. If, say, planes worked 70% of the time but crashed 30% of the time you don’t really get anywhere by reiterating how great it is that most of the time there aren’t crashes. Your goal is to debug and fix the problem space. That’s where 100% of the interesting conversation is. This sub skews…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 04:11 PM
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I never changed - the left did.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 07:31 AM
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I'm not really sure - I think there were actually two major waves. Gamer-gate and that whole controversy was women actively trying to enter 'traditionally' nerdy men's spaces and getting push back. It was ugly and most people said the basement dwellers were in the wrong. Metoo really caught on in ~2017, and after a year or two of it the movement went from outing monsters like Weinstein to making unverified accusations (like Anzari) that disregarded innocent until proven guilty in a way that star…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:00 AM
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It wasn't a singular topic, more attempting to draw a little bit of nuance out of the comments. Most of the topics I attempted to engage in were related to pay gap/corporate policies, political outcomes & strategies, stuff like that. Generally stuff that is closer to everyone politics and less experiences & philosophy. A fairly typical exchange would go something like this: Post q: "Why do women make 75 cents on the dollar to men?" Response: "The patriarchy" Me: "Okay, but when you normalize for…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 01:35 AM
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The left says society needs to improve (towards equity) and [is overly?] tolerant of human error, the right says the individual needs to improve and accepts unfair systems as a given rather than problem to solve. I donno, it seems entirely on brand for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 12:22 AM
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It’s influence is overblown We just had a US President govern by tweeting, and you’re telling me the impact is overblown? your average manager at the paper-selling company is not getting adversely affected by Twitter storms Companies diversity training & HR policies are effectively public relations guided by both the legal system and the beliefs of its customers. The influence on individuals whom are not independently wealthy and famous is separated by one level. [user stats] Twitter & Reddit ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:00 PM
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Are you suggesting occupy Wall Street was a mainstream movement? It was a populist anger at the banks where dirty children from major cities camped for like 2 weeks and was then forgotten. Public outrage at the banks faded as Dodd Frank passed and Tarp began to recoup funds. Trump escalated his racial attacks at Obama as the financial crisis faded and he geared up for re-election, and around then race rather than class slowly became more dominant in conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 08:38 PM
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My goodness yes. The generational divide here is real. Boomers will acknowledge women their age fought some remaining real structural barriers Gen X’ers didn’t experience legal/opportunity issues, but objectification in media and bro-ish culture was a thing being worked on Millennials mostly got to a healthy place Zoomers are either virtual signaling for the likes without really understanding why, or they’re growing frustrated with it and throwing their hands up It’s not surprising. The pendulum…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 08:36 PM
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There’s risk in having a warped perspective by a non representative online population, but there’s also risk also risk in dismissing & ignoring large social movements that stem on the internet. Like we live in a time where boycotts are organized and careers shut down because of reactive Twitter storms. Trump’s election was fueled by online populist groups. Like I mentioned, it would indeed be silly to assume one little internet community is representative of the whole - but I’m seeing that rheto…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 08:25 PM
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Yeah, I think you’re right. Obama’s election triggered some racists and encouraged some various leftists/diversity movements - especially in universities, but it was mostly out of the mainstream save the occasional silly news story here and there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 07:18 PM
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You went to lecturing me that something isn’t occurring in the real world, to conceding it is occurring in our most influential cities across the West Coat and Northeast. Now your assertion is that the changing dynamic of the left “doesn’t matter because most people don’t care” despite our political system being its most contentions and non-functional in decades?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 06:27 PM
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I would disregard them as a couple miserable zealots or as excellent satire / social experiment if not for identity politics bubbling up everywhere in left-leaning circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 06:20 PM
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Nope, you’re straight up misdiagnosing my perspective. I’m 40, married for 15 years, live in the Greater San Francisco area, and manage Gen Z’ers in tech. What I am seeing is the changing emphasis of the political left, the polarization, and the spillover of identity politics into workplace environments. It’s not imaged, but I do suspect that the absurdities of San Francisco / Portland / Seattle, Universities, and online corners seem overstated to those in more purple America. I’m not opinionate…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 06:06 PM
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didn’t study or don’t don’t know what feminism is I don’t think you get to draw a line around some literature and declare it ‘real’ feminism, and to then call the culture it feeds and creates ‘not real feminism’. It’s a bit of a no true Scotsman fallacy. Feminism is a broad ideology and doesn’t have and official organization with membership cards - it’s not unreasonable to judge it by the aggregate impact & rhetoric of its proponents. They need an arch villain. A foil. Today’s political polariza…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:48 PM
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male suffering is funny. Women’s suffering is to be taken seriously. I don’t see a reason to adhere to that dynamic. You can’t get offended on behalf of a community when the community itself is not offended. If men laugh at certain types of male suffering, then it’s fair game for women. The impacted community needs to be a bit more unified in declaring something a problem before you can claim it is being attacked by other groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:10 PM
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I feel somewhat fortunate to have grown up in the pre-internet and less polarized 90’s, where my perception of women was colored mostly by those around me, by the riot girl & grunge music I listed to, college courses & experiences, you name it. I was long sympathetic to feminism, and for a long time it had tangible asks and was positive towards its male allies. Somewhat recently feminism has taken on a more adversarial and grievance based approach to men, effectively declaring women oppressed an…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:43 PM
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Perhaps you forget (or more likely weren’t born) in ‘93 when the first famous case of this - the Bobbitt incident - occurred. It was nonstop joking by all the male late nights hosts. It’s a scenario that is funny because of the sheer absurdity of the situation, not the actual day to day suffering of the individual. Comedy has an unwritten rule that making jokes at the expense of the disadvantaged is, while not off limits, hard do do correctly. Punching up or referencing the absurd is generally f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 07:59 AM
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I don’t understand your frustration. You just added an emphasis that was not present in your original post. You don’t like the lens I applied, but you largely agree with the implications I said your post suggested. So what exactly is the issue? That’s pretty reasonable exchange. It seems a bit bizarre to me to be frustrated by assuming a contrast between gender roles on a sub whose explicit purpose is to do just that. I mean if you wanna talk projection, yeesh.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 07:41 AM
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Uh, I think you rather misread my comment. I was generally agreeing with you. I said men enjoy competing with ‘opponents’ when they are at they’re at their best and take no pleasure when an adversary is struggling. The point is that men are not mean about competition, and view it as healthy and bringing the best in each other. They absolutely bust each other’s balls in a fun and motivating way; they generally do not bust the balls of someone struggling or kick a person that’s down. My point is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:44 AM
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I think you’re taking my statement too close to hear for your own personal reasons Like I said, I’m trying not to! Fundamentally in saying a thing about a gender you are contrasting the behavior or societal expectation to other the gender[s]. By stating that women are not able to care for husband / home / children while working full time seems to imply one of the following: You think women do more work than men in married relationships with kids You think women try to ‘have it all’ and need to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:56 AM
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women’s rights have been lacking for centuries I don’t quite understand why women will make appeals to history or reference ongoing gender issues of the developing world. It’s a bit illogical. Like racial appeals to history make more sense because of wealth inequity in upbringing and communities - but that’s not the case with women. Like why is anything before the mid 1980’s - a generation after women’s lib when women began to regularly assume major positions of power - particularly relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:17 AM
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Men tend to enjoy competing with peers when their ‘opponents’ are at their best. They take very little joy in trampling someone whom is struggling - that’s definitely true in friendly sports/games with peers, and even true in rising the more zero-sum corporate ladder. Women tend not to approach competition that way - it’s much more empathy to friends, and much more the presumption of malice from ‘opponents’. Like competition and conflict are not synonyms to men, but they are to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:04 AM
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You didn’t explicitly dismiss the father’s contributions, but you did construct a comment that seemed designed to communicate women contribute more than men to their families without actually stating it it outright. I’m not trying to put words in your mouth… but that’s often a simply a wordsmithing technique for maintaining plausible deniability. It’s not really clear to me what the alternative point to the comment could be. I would agree that the primary childcare giver puts in more emotional l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 09:40 PM
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Obviously I’m describing human behaviors, and over a sufficiently large population there are of course people of all genders whom demonstrate the trait and those whom do not. If you ask anyone whom are the most dramatic (or drama-seeking) people they know, they’ll probably rattle of like 7 women and 3 men. There being dramatic men doesn’t invalidate the observation. It’s also highly likely that the most extreme narcissists are a small number of men, but women are far more neurotic on men in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:59 PM
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This trope is now getting repeated often, but it’s not a complete picture. In many typical relationships with kids, the man’s job is the breadwinning one - generally having longer hours & commutes, where the woman’s is lower paying supplemental income with more flex hours for kids. The man’s home care typically manifests in the everything that isn’t routine indoor cleaning - which is most maintenance (home repairs both DIY and coordinating contractors) and outdoor work. Often the man’s time with…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:06 PM
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I have a theory that every woman has a need for a fixed amount of drama in their life. Should there not be a natural source of that drama, she will seek or create it. This the root of the Karen phenomenon (effectively creating drama out of boredom), but also explains women’s higher tolerance of toxic partners/friends/family, why they like reality tv drivel, and their tendency to seem annoyed by men’s desire to eliminate drama in their lives and find happiness in simple hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:39 PM
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Of course. But modern 4th wave feminism is fundamentally not an equity movement, so it is not logically inconsistent to be for equality and not identify as a feminist. Feminism now is a women's empowerment movement that asserts power inequity between genders, suggests that inequity is intentional, and prioritizes giving women more power to resolve that delta over equal protection by the law whenever the two are at odds. While feminists have some pretty reasonable grievances, their patriarchy phi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:30 PM
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My wife has previously identified as feminist but is increasingly not using the label. We're both ~40 years old and have been leftist for most of our lives, but we're pretty unhappy with the identity based divisiveness that the left has incorporated. Rather than figuring solutions to complex solutions that fit all, most identity based groups trying to distil the world into oppressed vs. oppressors and trying to 'get' the oppressors in virtue-signally takedowns. We're not on board with it. Alarm …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:17 PM
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The sexual marketplace is more of a reference to post-college real world life where social standing / marrying up / power dynamics come into play. Dorm life - when you get lots of horny teenagers in close quarters for the first time in their lives with limited supervision - will of course have it’s behavioral issues, but unless that impacted your ability to study or how professors treated you that’s kind of a different thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:19 AM
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It’s relatively hard to prove total non-participation in the sexual marketplace, but a good staring place is our several current and past female Supreme Court justices. Kagan in particular is especially non traditionally attractive, is unmarried. She’s often rumored to be a a lesbian but is straight and seems borderline asexual. I won’t pretend to know much more of her personal story, but it’s pretty clear that she got to where she did by pure merit. Others on the court are potentially more trad…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 07:54 PM
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Men seem to have a choice on how much or how little they participate in this system. The Red Pill seems to not acknowledge this lifecycle for a woman I don't follow. You just outlined how women have additive value and additional choices in society because of the sexual marketplace. They can choose to leverage it to its maximum potential, enjoy a balance, or opt out of it entirely. The system doesn't prevent women from opting out and participating in the economy - the wage gap is non-existent for…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 05:08 PM
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Honestly in the before & after picture (at 8:45) the biggest difference I see is the lighting quality and contrasts from makeup, not so much the structure of her face. I’m not sure I have much of a preference in either direction. Her surgeries strike me as subtle and unnecessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 06:52 AM
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Don't think of it as "double standards" so much as bringing value to the relationship. Everyone wants a combination of successful, attractive, and fun/witty/interesting. Most people skew towards average and want better than average in a partner on at least one of those dimensions. Yes society tends to put a little more value on female attractiveness and male success, but that's just a weighting on those attributes and mostly offset - at least in terms of dating. The kind of double-standards that…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:58 PM
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*People* tend to want exactly the same thing. They want a partner whom is successful, attractive, fun, and supports while also challenging them. Note that everyone considers themselves 'fun' - but by fun I really mean charismatic & witty such that they command the attention of the room. Rank yourself *honestly* on those three dimensions, and rank the men you wish on those same three. Successful men will date 'beneath' their level on pure attractiveness, but that's generally pure hook up and not …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:54 PM
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What do you think communism is about then? It’s fairly widely believed to be an anti-aristocracy movement that largely ignores human behavior & incentives at scale, and tends to necessitate an authoritarian regime to transition to utopia - and unsurprisingly, said authoritarians tend not to facilitate that transition in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:21 AM
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Feminism isn’t an equality movement, it’s a women’s empowerment movement. It doesn’t care about solving gender inequity whenever it occurs in society, it cares about correcting [perceived] aggregate power differentials between men and women and assumes equity will follow from that after. That may be reasonable, but let’s call it what it is. Saying the phrase equity but in practice following it conditionally doesn’t make you an equity movement. Kinda like how the all lives movement isn’t an equit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:17 AM
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4th wave feminism tends to look at aggregate inequity between genders, views it though a power lens and labels it “the patriarchy”, and concludes that equalizing those aggregate disparities is more important than consistent application of fairness & equity principals. The problem is threefold: The variables that make up “the patriarchy” are ill defined and not measurable. It’s history & tradition, implicit bias, intentional bigotry, the choices women make, and inequity that comes with the biolog…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:57 PM
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It’s fairly self-evident that it’s feast for the top ~10% of men and famine for the bottom (interns of physical attractiveness, wealth, or other) ~30% an a way that’s a bit more pronounced than it is for women. But it also means that for the vast majority of men, they’re not in a different position than most women. Like average number of partners for men and women are the same in the middle of the bell curve if you ignore the extremes on either end. Check out the CDC’s data - it’s the best we ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:44 PM
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The red pill is an overreaction to a modern feminist movement that unconditionally values women’s empowerment over consistent gender equality & fairness whenever the two are at odds. It has a few reasonable observations and helpful tips, but it’s surrounded in negativity the way many grievance based communities are (not unlike many left wing identity groups) - so adopting the philosophy, or at least the adjacent rhetoric from the worst of the bunch (like Tate) is not exactly advisable. Pointing …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:34 PM
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Your post text contradicts your title. Your long text describes liking emotionally intelligent men - meaning those who recognize the emotion/social cues of others, not display emotion themselves. You describe witty men whom are able to predict and respond to the emotions of others, and not anything about the man’s actual feelings. When women are described as ‘emotional’ it’s characterized by them being reactive, irrational, and making their feelings other people’s problems. It’s an undesirable b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 02:34 PM
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feminism espouses the need for equity Not really. Modern / 4th wave feminism is fundamentally about power dynamics between men and women - it asserts men are oppressors (intentional or not) and maps basically every problem in society to said patriarchy. It cares about inequity when said inequity disadvantages women. Inequities that disadvantage men (be it disparities in female dominated fields, court/law bias, lack of support structures for men) are perceived as a consequence of the patriarchy, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:49 PM
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Open minded with regard to what, exactly? I think open-mindedness in general is pretty broad and manifests in different places. For example, I think men are far more open minded about trying new activities or going places. There’s a little bit of a ‘fuck it, sure’ attitude to planning. Every try to get like 6 dudes to agree on at trip? It takes 10 minutes. 6 women? What a fucking nightmare. The logistics and pickiness, oh my. I think women tend to be a bit more open minded about adapting to life…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 12:27 AM
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I’m a bit confused here - $2k a month is… $24k annually. That’s a rather below-average salary. A partner with an average salary in your scenario will often make 2-3 times that, even closer to 10x if you’re in a high cost area.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:16 AM
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Are you suggesting that because a group has experienced more injustices in the past that it means they must be experiencing more injustices in the present and will in the future? That doesn’t strike me as logically sound - it’s an appeal to antiquity and emotion. While it’s kind of undeniable women had it harder before political and technical revolutions of the 20th century, the world looks pretty different after about the 1980’s - and that’s when we’re talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:09 AM
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