KnightOfDark Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
7	Questions regarding the information in the sidebar		KnightOfDark	/r/askTRP	06/07/14 10:17 PM

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6	So, if I may ask, have you guys found feminism? Isn't it feminist Hanna Rosin who showed that pay gap is actually something like 91 cents to a dollar now? I honestly don't know - searching the web I cannot find any paper by her in the field of economics. There is a 2005 study by June O'Neil of the Congressional Budget Office showing a 92 % disparity between men and women - and no statistically significant disparity between childless men a and women. This supports the research by Shelley Correll of Stanford which showed that parenthood impacte…	/r/ExRedPill	25/09/14 07:35 AM
5	So, if I may ask, have you guys found feminism? Honestly, I find contemporary feminism and TRP to be quite similar philosophies, if opposite in direction and scale. Both are systems made up of logically sound arguments springing from populism, baseless assumptions, and outdated or flawed data. If your personal worldview is centered on the baseless assumption that men and only men are capable of unselfish love, large parts of TRP becomes justified. Similarly, if you subscribe to the equally baseless doctrine that a 77-100 wage gap exists, larg…	/r/ExRedPill	10/09/14 09:25 AM
2	Cognitive biases, sample bias, and the Red Pill - an extremely important discussion to have We may disagree on the utility of TRP even in its current state - I see it as hugely beneficial. I think that is true - I used to see it as very beneficial, but the quality of discussion here has really disappointed me. That doesn't mean that TRP is not beneficial, of course - it is, it could just be a lot better. If you're interested in founding a specifically rational TRP then please let me know. If I had more time I likely would. As it is, I wouldn't be able to give such a board the attention…	/r/TheRedPill	21/07/14 07:39 AM
1	Cognitive biases, sample bias, and the Red Pill - an extremely important discussion to have That isn't really zero-sum language. Ah, you're right of course. What I meant is the idea that all trades have to be equal, that one person giving up Y means losing the same amount of utility as the person gaining X receives. In my defense it was 2 am when I wrote it.	/r/TheRedPill	21/07/14 07:35 AM
2	Cognitive biases, sample bias, and the Red Pill - an extremely important discussion to have How has this been established as a growing trend? Because more people complain about it on the Internet than before? The Internet didn't widely exist 20 years ago. Because of rising rates of suicide, depression, stress, and eating disorders in young men. I can try to find you some proper source tomorrow, but I'm tired and heading to bed. Sure, but to call that an element of the romantic paradigm would require a number of assumptions that you don't mention. To me it seems rather obvious that marr…	/r/TheRedPill	21/07/14 12:14 AM
2	Cognitive biases, sample bias, and the Red Pill - an extremely important discussion to have What is the current romantic paradigm that is flawed? How about the fact that, as shown for example in the oft-cited r/askmen-thread, an increasingly large number of men feel unattractive, unwanted, unloved, undesired, and hence disenfranchised enough to flock to extremist ideologies? How about the increasingly high divorce rate, and the increasing number of children growing up missing a parent? How about the fact that most debates on this subject focus on the needs of the adults and not, in fac…	/r/TheRedPill	20/07/14 11:39 PM
1	Cognitive biases, sample bias, and the Red Pill - an extremely important discussion to have While I agree that it is important to have a safe space for men to vent, I often yearn for a more polite and equitable environment for discussing these topics, where moderators would shut down anyone claiming that all women are a certain way. Or that all men are a certain way, or that there is a flying teapot orbiting Saturn. Sadly, there does not seem to be such a forum yet. I had hoped that punchingmorpheus would develop into this, but sadly it turned into an offshoot of TBP.	/r/TheRedPill	20/07/14 11:07 PM
9	Cognitive biases, sample bias, and the Red Pill - an extremely important discussion to have do you have rational reasons to reject TRP in favor of TBP? I do not reject TRP in favor of TBP per se, I advocate cherry picking the good parts from each. Obviously, the current romantic paradigm is deeply flawed - at least we can agree on that. As such, TBP cannot be the sole truth, and it is necessary to challenge the paradigm, which TRP does. I agree with TRP on many points: The focus on self-improvement, the gradual buildup of self-confidence, and crucially the notion that happiness should …	/r/TheRedPill	20/07/14 10:41 PM
2	Cognitive biases, sample bias, and the Red Pill - an extremely important discussion to have A game is a non-zero-sum game iff there exists a strategy - any strategy - for which the sum of the utility functions is different from some other strategy. If you compare the strategy "have no relationship" with "have some relationship", then - baring abusive relationships - most people would claim higher utility in the second case. As such, the game of romance (for most people) is not zero-sum as long as non-abusive relationships exist.	/r/TheRedPill	20/07/14 10:17 PM
27	Cognitive biases, sample bias, and the Red Pill - an extremely important discussion to have Thank you. For a subreddit that prides itself on being pragmatic, rational, and realistic, TRP is rather blind to its own faults. I believe that recognizing our own humanity and thus our own propensity towards bias and error is one of (if not the most important) steps of growing up, and probably the hardest 'uncomfortable truth' any of us will ever have to accept. The fact that we are biased towards the belief that we see reality for what it truly is doesn't help. There is a danger in exclusivel…	/r/TheRedPill	20/07/14 05:54 PM
4	TechCrunch groups TheRedPill with Stormfront as a "misogynist hate site" throwing ALL men under the umbrella of blame is where they lose me. Yes. I would argue that current hypergamy is a byproduct of a past social paradigm lingering because of a delayed cascade effect; that is, hypergamy exists in the modern society because women grow up seeing and emulating their mothers, aunts, and so on when they marry men of higher value - a natural, statistical consequence of a society in which the average value of a man is greater than the average value of a woman. The same ar…	/r/TheRedPill	20/07/14 04:46 PM
3	TechCrunch groups TheRedPill with Stormfront as a "misogynist hate site" The understated point of your post is an assumption of gender inequality No, the understated point of my post is an assumption that some countries have higher levels of equality than others. For example, Turkey is less equal than the United States, which in turn is less equal than Finland. Is your criticism that Gender Gap Index misrepresents equality? If so, why? I am genuinely interested in having my views challenged, that is why I browse subreddits like TRP. It is important to remember that t…	/r/TheRedPill	20/07/14 02:52 PM
1	TechCrunch groups TheRedPill with Stormfront as a "misogynist hate site" As an example, the theory of Hypergamy - which TRP has adopted - was first proposed by feminists in the eighties as a remnant of the patriarchal system of earlier generations. As several studies have shown, hypergamous tendencies are directly proportional to gender inequality, supporting the cultural thesis.	/r/TheRedPill	20/07/14 02:08 PM
4	TechCrunch groups TheRedPill with Stormfront as a "misogynist hate site" I am an empiricist and a rationalist. I try to avoid making conclusions based on faith or ideology. If a feminist has a good argument, I will listen to it. If a masculinist has a good argument, I will listen to it. Due to the human propensity towards groupthink, I will always argue for discussion and inclusivity rather than isolationism.	/r/TheRedPill	20/07/14 01:15 PM
3	TechCrunch groups TheRedPill with Stormfront as a "misogynist hate site" It's also the fact that TRP would work just as well without misogynistic generalizations such as "men experience unconditional love, women don't". The issue is that you have to be able to sift the rubbish from the actual good advice. There will be critics who cannot, and therefore view TRP as a "misogynist hate site". There will be proponents who cannot, and therefore adopt misogynistic or abusive concepts into their own worldview. In my opinion, TRP would be better served with ruthless pragmati…	/r/TheRedPill	20/07/14 08:39 AM
1	"Awesome" woman lies about not wanting kids, and pokes holes in condom. Always bring your own condoms, fellas To put it in perspective, 10,4 % of American men experience an attempt at contraceptive fraud during their lifetime. If you are going to have sex with a partner you do not fully trust, protect yourself.	/r/TheRedPill	19/07/14 10:26 AM
1	Are women capable of empathy and love? http://www.unc.edu/courses/2006fall/econ/586/001/Readings/Brinig.pdf That was a very interesting read, thank you for posting it.	/r/RedPillWomen	18/07/14 11:41 PM
3	We Should Give Up Encouraging Girls To Do Science, Says Glasgow University Professor Dr Gijsbert Stoet As long as there are no discriminatory measures in place for the admission process and it is based purely on a credentials/meritocratic scale, then what's the problem? The problem is that there is an ongoing, subtle form of discrimination in the admission processes. As shown for example in this study, there is a tendency to subconsciously consider male students slightly more competent than female students. As such, if a male student and a female student have identical credentials, the male stude…	/r/TheRedPill	15/07/14 08:35 AM
1	Why I Rejected Feminism: Exhibit A Oh, sure, her misandry is definitely in line with other feminist extremists. What she says, however, is that the opinions of male feminists - if they speak up - would carry more weight among other feminists than the opinions of female feminists. I sincerely doubt that the feminist movement discriminates against women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/14 08:03 AM
1	Why I Rejected Feminism: Exhibit A Your “contributions” to the fight only make matters worse, divide us further, force us to choose between our supporters, make male opinions the issue instead of feminist opinions and generally stall our efforts. I don't think she really understands the point of feminism.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/14 10:45 PM
2	I am an attention-whore. AMA Damn, it's been a while since I've seen that. EDIT: OP, have you ever really been far even as decided to use even go want to do more look like?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/14 10:27 PM
1	User cites research and posits question to TBP: "what IS the solution for incel men then if TRP is indeed wrong?" (As expected, no answers given) By the converse argument, unequal societies produce (or at least enlargen) the effect of hypergamy in the disprivileged gender, as the average member of that gender is more likely to find a mate of higher social status. This effect is self-reinforcing, as humans tend to base their expectations off their surroundings - i.e. if a woman sees other women in her social circle marrying upwards, she will be inclined to act hypergamously as well. The argument implies that - as supported by the article I…	/r/TheRedPill	12/07/14 08:30 PM
1	User cites research and posits question to TBP: "what IS the solution for incel men then if TRP is indeed wrong?" (As expected, no answers given) Likewise - it's quite embarassing that I didn't think to take an unequal value distribution into account, so I'm very happy that you pointed that out.	/r/TheRedPill	09/07/14 09:34 PM
1	Follow-up on the "1 in 3 rape" statistic The article separates 'rape' (forcibly penetrated) and 'forced to penetrate someone' into two different categories. According to their results, 1 in 71 men experience the first, while 1 in 21 men experience the second. The definition of 'rape' present in most dictionaries is something like: the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse. (dictionary.reference.com) With this more common definition of rape, the 'forcibly penetrated' and 'forced to p…	/r/TheRedPill	09/07/14 06:16 PM
1	User cites research and posits question to TBP: "what IS the solution for incel men then if TRP is indeed wrong?" (As expected, no answers given) housekeeping and chastity Looks and chastity are more accurate to say, I think; in gender-equal countries (apart from the philippines), women actually put slightly larger value than men on housekeeping skills. there is still no simple relationship between partner preferences and actual partner choice. Definitely not. In fact, considering the social stigma unmatched people encounter, I think there is actual pressure from society to choose partners of lower-than-desired value. The study is likely …	/r/TheRedPill	09/07/14 08:58 AM
1	User cites research and posits question to TBP: "what IS the solution for incel men then if TRP is indeed wrong?" (As expected, no answers given) The distribution of social status is roughly equal for both genders. (implied) You raise a very good point, and one that I didn't actually consider - perhaps, if the distribution of social status is not equal, hypergamy is simply a statistical consequence? If the average male is of 'higher' value than the average female, then there should be a tendency for women to partner upwards. I'm not sure if you meant to challenge me on this point, but it certainly worked to change my perspective, so thank…	/r/TheRedPill	08/07/14 12:30 PM
1	Questions regarding the information in the sidebar In the context of language it would take words and produce grammatically correct sentences. I don't know how familiar you are with formal logic, but there is a theorem known as the Curry-Howard Isomorphism a consequence of which is a direct correspondence between proofs in typed λ-calculus and a special kind of grammar known as Categorial Grammars. Individual words correspond to axioms, and the grammar expresses rules for constructing 'proofs', or true statements. Interestingly, using this metho…	/r/askTRP	08/07/14 12:16 PM
2	Questions regarding the information in the sidebar Both the incompleteness theorem and the theory of computability are absolutely fascinating. One of the most interesting results is the application of computability theory to grammar - essentially, as grammar is a form of logic, all languages that can fully be described by a grammar consist of computable functions. I'm going to bed in a minute, but if you want to discuss it further tomorrow I'd love to. I'm not fully decided on whether this is a good or bad thing. That depends on the purpose of t…	/r/askTRP	07/07/14 10:16 PM
3	User cites research and posits question to TBP: "what IS the solution for incel men then if TRP is indeed wrong?" (As expected, no answers given) There is a well-documented tendency for women to seek partners of higher value - see for example this article. The study also shows a negative correlation between hypergamous tendencies and Gender Gap Index - in countries with high equality such as Finland, the Philippines, and Germany, the degree of hypergamy is very low, and in countries such as Turkey with large gender inequality, the degree of hypergamy is high. This suggests that hypergamy is a cultural remnant of the patriarchal society of…	/r/TheRedPill	07/07/14 08:27 PM
2	Questions regarding the information in the sidebar You are absolutely spot on; as we cannot even be certain of our own cognitive processes, we owe it to ourselves and the world never to get caught up in feelings of righteousness and decry our beliefs the only viable or even rational system. Sadly, humans have a tendency to align ourselves with a particular ideology or set of ideologies and consider all opposing ideas 'the enemy'. What many people forget is that at the end of the day, we are all falible, imperfect and error-prone humans, regardle…	/r/askTRP	07/07/14 08:04 PM
-1	User cites research and posits question to TBP: "what IS the solution for incel men then if TRP is indeed wrong?" (As expected, no answers given) To be fair, asking for sex in return for orbiting around someone is fairly creepy.	/r/TheRedPill	07/07/14 04:24 PM
3	User cites research and posits question to TBP: "what IS the solution for incel men then if TRP is indeed wrong?" (As expected, no answers given) A lot of the advice on /r/punchingmorpheus - though actually somewhat decent - is geared toward maintaining relationships, while the subreddit largely ignores how to establish a relationship. Asking questions on how to get to that point gets you advice curiously close to RP - find a hobby, get in shape, work on your confidence, work on conversational skills, etc. They're pretty much TRP with a firm belief in true/unconditional love.	/r/TheRedPill	07/07/14 03:29 PM
25	User cites research and posits question to TBP: "what IS the solution for incel men then if TRP is indeed wrong?" (As expected, no answers given) The part that truly frightens me is the fact that they consider incels to be the same as those who literally can't play the game, no matter what. They're essentially claiming that incels aren't worthy of affection or love. I do not understand how anyone gets to the point were this becomes an acceptable viewpoint - it requires a spectacular amount of cognitive dissonance, especially if you at the same time cling to the Disney-esque beliefs of TBP.	/r/TheRedPill	07/07/14 03:24 PM
31	User cites research and posits question to TBP: "what IS the solution for incel men then if TRP is indeed wrong?" (As expected, no answers given) The same thing I would tell a quadriplegic who wanted to play football: Sorry, but this game isn't for you. The fact that people actually believe this baffles me.	/r/TheRedPill	07/07/14 11:44 AM
3	The anger/bitter phase of red pill Yes, the hypergamy is real, yes, I believe they are aware of it Hypergamy used to be a part of the feminist terminology. In the original conception, it was supposedly the cultural expectations of the patriarchy that made women act upwardly mobile in relationships. A series of studies were made that showed - among other things - that over 80 % of asked women would not want to date a man with a lower level of education.	/r/TheRedPill	07/07/14 11:33 AM
2	Questions regarding the information in the sidebar One very interesting thing to remember is that the optimism bias also applies to other cognitive biases - we are inclined to believe that others suffer from biases, whereas we ourselves are perfectly rational. The same of course applies to cognitive dissonance; we are less accepting of the concept when applied to our own thinking than to the thinking of others.	/r/askTRP	07/07/14 09:53 AM
1	Questions regarding the information in the sidebar That was a very interesting read; thank you for sharing! I remember reading about the mentioned experiment on tipping, the two really do coalesce nicely Humans are notoriously biased when it comes to interpreting their own experiences, and anecdotal evidence is well known to be unreliable. This or a similar list should really be mandatory reading for everyone, if for no other reason than to help us maintain a rational approach to life. This subreddit and the manosphere in general seems to employ…	/r/askTRP	07/07/14 09:18 AM
1	Questions regarding the information in the sidebar Unconditional love is as unrealistic as santa and god. If that is the true assumption - that nobody loves unconditionally - then I understand this subreddit a little better. I do not agree with you, but it is a matter of belief that can neither be proven nor disproven, and I respect your opinion - sadly, you are in all likelyhood correct. I agree that romantic transactionalism follows as a logical consequence of the assumption. But a man will love his SO longer after loosing attraction for her t…	/r/askTRP	07/07/14 12:03 AM
3	Questions regarding the information in the sidebar Rollo Tomassi suffers from the same problem - the claim is backed up only by anecdotal evidence, and even then only scarcely. My problem is that, as said by a poster on his article regarding Women in Love: this realization, for many guys I believe (myself included), carries with it much weight. Perhaps on the same level as what disproving god is for a believer. This is true, especially as an incapability in women to love unconditionally completely validates a transactionalist viewpoint on relati…	/r/askTRP	06/07/14 10:42 PM