None of what you typed disputes anything Yes they were. They were used to build alliances between families and countries They were trained to find rich men They were in major trouble if they didnt have husbands or kind male family members
No, Im not Men murder far more people than women do, and that's definitely violence Men kill more women by numbers than women kill men Men kill more men by numbers than women kill men or women Because men kill far more people. We should look into why men hate men so much
This entire thread is doing that. This subreddit isn't for helping men It's got bitching about feminism and how women have it better It's why you said those little girls were "only kidnapped" when you know they were taken to be sex slaves by men Men make the world horrible for men and boys. Why can't you see that?
In this instance, MALES are murdering and raping a bunch of children MALES commit the vast majority of all violent crime There is far more actual rape than false allegations MALES nees to get their own house in order Society doesn't care about MALES, but what you really mean is MALES don't care about MALES
Obviously, it's important who does what to who. Why wouldn't it be? MEN are hurting MEN and BOYS MENS rights groups should talk about how to prevent MEN and BOYS from being hurt. Right?
I didn't say anything was worse I said it was weird that you purposefully minimized what happened to those girls. They weren't only kidnapped MEN burned alive a bunch of boys and kidnapped and raped a bunch of girls Maybe MEN should consider why they hate each other
We've even had major male celebrities date and have sex with minors and write songs about it and put it in their autobiographies, and sometimes marry these girls and shit doesnt happen to them They're still famous!
You can find interviews of Britney Spears at 17 where she was questioned about her breasts https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/flashback/dutch-interviewer-ivo-niehe-defends-shocking-britney-spears-interview/news-story/76c68333baf63b45830eb1750791b68f%3famp
I "probably" have more of a point with Brooke Shields? Playboy published nude photos of her when she was like 10! Miley Cyrus was 15 when she was on the cover of Vanity Fair in risqué situations with her own father
I dont know what point you think you're making, but adults exploited both of these women when they were minors. Do you remember that disgusting photo shoot that Billy Ray Cyrus did with Miley? Do you remember what they did to Brooke Shields? Do you remember what they did to Shirley Temple?
None of this situation about accountability, and it's weird you think otherwise It's about cultural change and speculation about how long that may take Namaste
Men have the power to stop most unwanted pregnancies, and they choose not to Men could choose as a group to vote for easier access to healthcare and prophylaxis In countries that participate in sex selective abortions, more female fetuses are aborted than male
Women are Uber Eats drivers and also CNAS, retail workers, and childcare workers. All of which pay low wages And garbage men (sanitation workers) make good money
What do you mean? Men absolutely vote for things that hurt men and refuse to vote for things that help men Then they bitch about those things Like prison reform, workplace safety, universal healthcare, ending the draft, ending wars, etc They also do things that hurt each other socially, like mocking men who get mental healthcare, or calling each other gay for the smallest effeminate act, etc
I've said to some of them that the world would be a better place if men were kinder to each other and they replied, You think that people can change the world? What the fuck
Why do you care about the personalities of people playing characters in media? You're not going to marry them The vast majority of women in media are conventionally attractive, and it's very weak and strange to whine about a few who are not Also, what has Zendaya done to hurt anyone? You sound like a freak
It's very weird that you think every woman in Western media is ugly. Honestly that's such a crazy take Most women in movies, TV shows, commercials, and print ads are pretty and always have been And you can't even see people in books, but most women described in books are described as being pretty Are you nuts?
Are you blind? There's so many that it makes it impossible to answer that Cars, especially sports cars Alcohol Cigarettes Household products Clothing Grooming products
I just want to let you know that I'm not trying to be unkind to you at all I believe many men think they want a relationship with women, but see those relationship differently than what they truly are Like at the men on many of those pro men subreddits. Would you want them to be dating your sister, daughter, mother, female friend?
I'd say most of the men who complain about this don't see women in a romantic way at all They save their love and respect for men, but want to fuck women and use them for home labor We call them homeysexuals
I've seen what the redpill group and mensrights groups post, and it's almost NEVER positive change It's bitter men encouraging other men to become more bitter And they still don't leave women alone In fact, most of the things they encourage are ways to get laid, and usually, they don't even work, which makes them even more bitter They don't encourage each other to spend time with family or do volunteer work or get regular doctors appointments or seak therapy
For instance. They could stop bullying each other for showing emotion or physical affection They could support universal healthcare and encourage loved ones to seek necessary mental health services They could check in regularly with family members and friends. And do things like remembering and acknowledging birthdays and holidays and planning events around such Men need community and healthcare!
Men are the ones who say straight men and women can't be friends Or that if their girlfriend has male friends, they'll always be trying to sleep with her
That's odd to me because men never stop talking about how women hate each other and are always competing It's like women can be anything as long as it helps men continue to despise them
It's becomes heterosexual content when primarily straight men use it to get off And you have to specify within yourself, what you want besides a man fucking a woman. Its just how search engines work
They do, though, because they won't do it I've been told many times by men that they won't help people because no one has ever helped them. Men are shocked at the idea that life would improve if people help each other
It doesn't matter if they failed. The point is to have women available to populate the society during or after the war. Wombs are much more necessary for that
In the US, it's been very common to offer criminals a chance on the frontlines for freedom And yes, they do want to keep women at home to pump out new soldiers. It's a very obvious concept
I wanted you to say it, and you did Men dont vote to help other men They'd rather extend the draft than be rid of it. They'd rather support warmongers than peace. They'd rather bitch than put their money where their mouths are Nothing will change for men until they change for each other
So, certain parties gut funding for cancer research Certain parties make prison conditions worse Certain parties push that men be providers and women stay at home General access isn't enough for major conditions or mental health concerns
Well, I personally think that mental health issues, poverty, and the prison industrial complex have a lot to do with murder rates And those are things that we can change
It absolutely is related to policy If mens issues are related to lack of access to healthcare, poor work conditions, poor priaon conditions, etc Policy can absolutely change those things
Men failing other men is absolutely about what policy they vote for About not supporting prison reform and joking about prison rape About calling boys lucky when they get molested and raped by women About not voting for universal healthcare About shaming men for seeing a therapist About calling men gay for showing physical affection to friends About voting for abstinence education About voting against unions and worklace reform About voting against police reform
Most through work, healthcare doesn't cover mental health treatment, and the homeless (disproportionately men) and all men would be served by all universal healthcare achievements You're flailing and trying to cover for why men don't care about other men They bitch but they do nothing to help each other
Men frequently don't vote for better regulations Men frequently don't vote for anti-war candidates Universal healthcare absolutely would benefit men, and claiming otherwise is absurd Unions currently help workers Thanks for trying
Almost like when something benefits most humans, it also benefits the half of the population who are men. What a weird coincidence Do you vote to help your fellow men?
Many many feminists are anti-war, anti draft, pro union, pro universal healthcare, pro workplace safety reform, etc All of which would help men disproportionately Do you personally vote for those things? Do you vote to help your fellow men?
Im telling you If you want things to be better for men, support people and movements that help men Vote for unions. Vote for better access to healthcare. Vote for workplace safety reform Help your fellow men who you claim to care about. Why wont men help men??
In an actual war zone, they want women at home to continue pushing out more soldiers. Babies that grow up to be men who are canon foder to serve the rich and powerful It's always better to harm fewer people than more The answer is being less war minded. To vote for less war To vote for other things that benefit your fellow male humans
They're trying to get rid of the draft because they believe in harm reduction for humans Being pro harm reduction for humans ends up benefiting men because men are humans
You're a pretty bad communicator But women are choosing not to be available to men right now. They turn down dates and aren't trying to date Women are doing this and we are having a supposed male loneliness crisis
It's not everybody, though Insurance companies' whole deal is assessing risk and trying not to lose money. They fully know who gets in more fatal accidents
I was referring to what happened historically and comparing it to his suggestion If men don't need to put women in those classes, then his suggestion makes no sense Please try to keep up
Men do resent paying for sex, and they talk about it frequently And I will reference history because that's how you keep certain things from happening again I dont know if men would be happier if a significant amount of women in the dating world were sex workers. You should make a topic about that because I'd be interested in seeing the responses
These classes have been used to subjegate women forever And sex work being currently legal won't make it any easier for men to find virginal wives. Many men resent having to pay for sex and we'd likely see many more women participate in sex workers than we do now
Also, the original topic, in my opinion, was whether some nebulous "society" was forcing men to be monogamous When we look at the history, it was men creating a class of women for marriage and a class of women for fucking I agree with your last point completely
You somehow think that the ramifications of those laws and policies somehow all disappear? I've proven our history of men trying very hard to keep women monogamous. You're welcome
We are also referring to how Christianity affected policy and popular opinion Also, we're not currently in a post Christian era. The US is still a very religious and puritan country
How many times does the Bible mention promiscuous women vs. men? Having sex with your slaves wasn't adultery, and the Bible approved of it Having multiple wives wasn't adultery, and the Bible approves of it
Mot in the same manner at all Men have always had groups of women that they felt it was okay to have sex with Men absolutely openly had mistresses, visited sex workers, and had children with slaves It's weird that you think otherwise The Bible literally says it's okay
Also in the US. It was incredibly common to have children with your female slaves to make more slaves to use for different purposes Everyone knew what was happening
In Europe and the US, it was very common for a long time to have mistresses and to visit sex workers. It was also very hard for sex workers to report any crimes against them I don't know where you're getting any of your opinions on this
They could absolutely take multiple wives, have concubine, and keep female slaves that they had sex with And they would be forced to marry their rape victims. That is all in the Bible
I've given you queries to start your search Also, did you know that the American government used to have a program to track and combat female promiscuity? Did you know that historically we used to arrest sex workers and not Johns, and that only changed fairly recently?
Im sorry I've been so unkind to you I'll give you a start to your query How many times does the Bible mention promiscuous women vs men? How many times does it mention women using sex to gain power vs men? Does it say women can have multiple husbands? Does it say women can have concubines or can have children with slaves? Currently, who does Christian purity culture target? Why are most purity balls for Dads and their daughter vs Mother's and their sons?
Women's lives were ruined by being promiscuous in ways that have NEVER been the same for men Men also used the law to make it extremely difficult to live as an unmarried woman Do you know nothing about human history?
Those scumbags seem to be doing really well. Otherwise, why would you envy them? You're too chicken shit to do what it takes to show a woman that you're all man. Pathetic
A record number of women are chasing no one. That's why there's a "male loneliness crises" Ironically, men bitch and complain about losing access to the people they feel the most contempt for
I dont need to. I never even made a bear claim Most women want nothing to do with men and men still don't have the dignity to leave them alone Women would rather the society go extinct than deal with the average male Think about that
Timothy Treadwell was a pathetic male who lied about his life and treated bears like dogs until one killed him. He was almost never alone in the wilderness and leaned on various women while deceiving the public to try and look tough Why would I want to emulate an insecure man?
Im not counting disease as it isn't sentient And yes, men have always killed more women than wild animals And no, I'm not entertaining any of your pointless scenarios
Men have always been the number one threat to women Men have always oppressed women It's laughable to purposefully keep women down and expect them to thank men for that opportunity
You said a lot of women get off on meanly turning down men I said a lot of men get off on making women uncomfortable What's good for the goose is good for the gender. Thanks
Some men are called creeps for inappropriate approaches, and I was given a whataboutsim response first What's good for the goose and good for the gander
The police. You think the police would go after a 17 year old for having sex with a 15 year old? You think that's more likely than him being 18 and having sex with a 15 year old?
You don't even know she was the one who "got him in jail". She was a minor and it was likely her parents I really doubt you have close friends tbh This is basically you wishing a bad mom on your friend's child
You'd tell your friend that his child's mother was too busy sucking strange dick to have good memories of motherhood? You do know that you can support a male friend without trying to tear down his ex, don't you?
That fact is not relevant in this case unless you know something we don't I've mentioned multiple times that more men were involved because clearly, the men here didn't bother to read the article
I agree that lots of them have daddy issues But I've seen a lot of men here and other redpill adjecnt subreddits doing what Op described Maybe she should have specified men on reddit?
We already can't make the gap smaller because nature doesn't allow it Combine that with far right groups constantly attacking abortion This just makes other men pay for dudes for refused to use condoms
Not as many as men, and when they do, they don't don't buy the giant, terrifying looking ones It's also very common for wives or girlfriends to ask their partner to get them a sex toy, and the man will return home with something the size of an arm. Then, they have to go back to the store and negotiate a return 9 times out of 10, when women buy sex toys for themselves, they won't be a toy meant to be inserted at all Also, lesbians do much less penetration than what popular media/porn suggests
Hard evidence certain classes of women have a harder time reporting rape? Slaves, servants, trafficked women, illegal immigrants, sex workers, homeless women
Many groups of women now and in history, are less likely to get justice because trying to prove that a crime was committed against them, puts them at risk for various bad outcomes I think you should take some time to ponder who these groups may be Even in the Bible, certain women were considered to be fine to rape
I've worked primarily in female dominated environments where women can't use sex to get ahead And yes, I've met MANY kind, smart, creative, industrious, women
Women absolutely do talk about this. They talk about how men should strengthen these relationships and men responsible like this I can't talk to my friends Talking to my friends or complimenting them is gay My friends never call me (But they also don't call their friends) No one throws me a birthday party (not realizing that) most women actively participate in planning their own parties) I don't need any more friends. Or why would I want to be friends with a woman I'm not having sex with? (When …
So you should say that men never talk about this issue. Because women do, a lot actually Blaming society takes the heat off of the people who have the ability to enact change
No, I didn't My point is, is that it's hard to fix these problems for men when most of the pushback comes from men Women can't force men to believe that deep friendships with other men, friendships with women, and strong familial connections are important
You can go on forums and see thousands of men encouraging crime You can read that men commit the vast majority of violent crime in EVERY country. Even countries that are less feminist than the US So maybe we should see all men as malevolent? Does violent crime stabilize society in your eyes?
So men aren't encouraged by anyone to commit the vast majority of violent crime, but they still do it anyway. Yet you don't see them as being malevolent as you do women? You can't see how this makes you look? Also, you can absolutely find videos of male criminals bragging about crimes
Also, women were backing those men with physical labor and producing their children during those times. Many men dont see what women did as contributions
Straight men want a class of promiscuous women to fuck but that they don't have to marry or have a committed relationship with, and another class of women to wed. They've always been like that
Of course, pregnancy and stds justify everything when referring to this specific issue The fact is, in heterosexual relationships, men have way more orgasms than women. It's also much easier for men to orgasm from intercourse than women And yes, that is a porn subreddit where men cosplay as women. And your last comment is nonsensical
Most passport bros dont have status or money or looks. If they did, they wouldn't have to travel to get sex You've never seen Thai women try to marry foreign men for reasons not related to love? You're a liar bro
You pay all of the things needed to travel. And many of those women are definitely trying to get a green card Also passport bros very frequently use sex workers and lie about it. Recently a famous passport bro disavowed the community because he admitted that most of the women they had sex with are prostitutes. Poke around on tiktok and you'll find his video
In my family and most that I know, the Moms Work full time Do the grocery shopping Cook all food for the holidays Clean up and do dishes afterwords Do all present shopping Is the one who remembers all the present preferences and things like everyone's size and if they need new socks and etc Wraps all presents Does the majority of decorating Is the one who leads the family in holiday activities like singing songs, doing crafts, watching Christmas movies Is the one who takes the kids to see Santa …
Emotional labor is a thing. Many men suck at it Women do more cooking and cleaning in a relationship than when single Women do more childcare for kids even though men definitely help make said kids
If your lover requests it, stop. But most women aren't going to be telling you to stop trimming genital hair, armpit hair, split ends off of head hair, and keeping facial hair neat
Oh I got what you meant. You claimed that men's products are all two in one unless you're willing to go to great lengths to find other things. Which isnt true. You use Old Spice three in one with an octopus on the bottle. Own it
Men age faster than women. They die earlier and develop health problems faster. They're also finding out that old sperm contributes to autism and birth defects more than previously thought
If this were true, you would have known that there are a variety of male hair products online and off that are not two in one. You would also know that your testosterone doesn't prevent you from using women's hair products. You're a liar with bad hygiene.
First of all two in one products are not specially developed for men because they have testosterone wtf. Nothing biologically is stopping you from using women's hair products. Also non gendered and male gendered hair products that are not two in one are in regular stores. You've never checked. They even have them at Target Also source on dermatologists and ungendering. You pulled that out of your ass
Also not only are there a bunch of shampoo and conditioner that don't say men and women, there are a ton that say men and aren't 2 in 1's You didn't even bother to look
You'd be surprised at how many men claim that they shower regularly, but still smell like balls. I've been in I think 15 states and Utah men were the most testicle smelling
I feel like the asshole is worse. Also I don't count it as slacking if you never do it. Slacking is doing something once a a month instead of once a week. Not never
Not having dry flaky skin and lips, and crusty feet and elbows (so using lotion, lip balm, and exfoliating) Trimming down armpit hair and pubes. Not only is it gross to see men have long armpit hair, but shorter hair makes deodorant actually work. Also genitals smell better Grooming facial hair. That means taking care if sticking out nose hair and ear hair. Also if you have facial hair, keep it neatly trimmed. A lot of men with facial hair look disgusting Caring for the hair on your head. That m…
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/oqtt6b/racism_against_young_black_college_men_shows_at/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share They actually said that 95% are fake and it was upvoted and so many men were like "I'm saving this"
It is. Women are realizing that if they have to put up with shitty sex with misogynists, they should either fuck a good looking one or just use a vibrator
It's actually the opposite. The man sees the woman like a sex toy. Men are bad at foreplay, don't touch the clit, and jackhammer penetration, and the women doesn't even cum
You can't just pick a number as an example because it's easier, that's literally not how it works! This feels like a false flag to make men's rights advocates look retarded
Your number came from nowhere. I honestly believe that men's rights are important, but threads like this make you look like you hate women AND make people laugh at you all Men are even saying "I'm saving this" like your made up numbers mean something! This almost feels like a purposeful attempt to make you all look stupid
But as soon as you said assume a false accusation rate, the numbers meant nothing. I believe that many things need to change for men, but when people see this type of thing, you look dumb and it discredits you. Or am I missing something?
I've seen a lot of what seems like abuse in porn and it doesn't seem healthy to condition yourself to get off on it Such as face fucking, hitting and slapping, spitting on women, cumming on their face, painful and rough anal or double insertion in the anus, ass to mouth, choking, calling women bitches and whores and a variety of other things
I think that they can be addicts, disrespect women, and do sexual acts that women don't enjoy I also find it personally disturbing to know if a man is allowing himself to get erect, jerk off, and ejaculate at seeing the abuse of women
I think that way more men are heavy porn users than you think. I feel like it's okay to avoid porn addicts and also men that view porn of women being brutalized
And men don't believe that women don't want that. I'm actively trying to tell them and one is actually seething and acting like I'm the one who's being triggered
By having sex and talking to women who have sex? I don't think that men vet as hard regarding sex and the word female isn't offensive to me You getting angry doesn't make you better in bed
That's many men to many women. And not only that, but men will refuse head to wives and baby mama's as well. If you talk to women, you'll get a better idea of how selfish men are in bed
Women give a lot of guys chances and so many are selfish in bed. Possibly partially do to porn. So eventually they stop giving guys chances Also I've never met a woman who stopped having sex with a guy who gave her orgasms. That's a crazy idea to have And also when women had fewer sex partners, men were still selfish in bad
Men frequently let themselves go way worse than women. Worse hygiene, hair care skin care, clothing, weight gain, etc. And most households have both partners working now
I know a lot of average and below women who are with equivalent men for decades and they seem happy. Maybe you're a bad judge of character and should vet women more thoroughly in the future
But partially its because women get less out of penetrartive sex and giving bj's and thats what guys seem to focuse on. So is it brainwashing if they get much less out of the sec stuff that men seem to love the most?
Casual sex isn't worth it to me, partially because I can't have an orgasm from intercourse And its easy to say that orgasms aren't important when you are of the group who has them much more frequently
