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Nothing wrong with dreaming big. What I was trying to say is that most TRP members are new. That's what the 80% is imo. The top 20% are the ones who already know wtf they're doing. I'm a TRP veteran. I've been a TRper for almost 3 years. When the sub first came out, it wasn't a complete circus like it mostly is now. Too many new players coming in trying to show what they've 'learned' about society and women without actually knowing anything. It's like having a blind person leading you around a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 03:48 PM
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Non-BP can reply to the automod message. Sorry, isn't this the automod message? haha. I didn't see one at the time, so maybe I did reply to the wrong comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 10:24 AM
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/u/WeirdFetishThrow Sorry, but this simply can't be the case. Reason being, men and women are different. One aspect of a gender/sex may not apply to the other. It's as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 08:17 PM
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I'll answer your bonus questions first because they're more fun: Bonus question: if men are the deeper, more mature ones, why do so many obsess over looks, over all other factors, when it comes to a marriage? Why are so many, so shitty, when it comes to any women who aren't appreciably more beautiful than they are? Men are only mature in-so-far as they are the alpha. If they're beta, then obviously they are not mature. Looks matter because due to biology and evolution, male human beings have acq…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 07:08 PM
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There is a significant amount of income at stake for both sides. More like a significant amount of income at stake for Johnny Depp. Amber makes a fraction of what Johnny makes, but uses almost $50,000 a MONTH In fact, Heard told the court that she spends around $43,700 per month. That figure includes averages of $10,000 a month for rent, $3,000 for health care, $2,000 for groceries, $2,000 for dining out, $2,000 for clothing, $10,000 for entertainment and vacations, and $10,000 a month combined …
/r/PussyPassDenied09/06/16 07:00 PM
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This entire thread is being dismantled because most people think this is the norm anyway (especially TRPers). It's not even 'your strategy' that you're giving to women. You're just laying out the natural instincts of women in general. I don't understand how this is even an issue or controversial because it's SO normal to TRPers. Don't allow the backlash to affect you, just keep going through and nexting until you find something that isn't trash. This is funny because it's like you're trying to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 06:13 PM
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The TRP sidebar levels of dread post is different though. It actually gets into cheating and breaking up with the woman. Which I think shouldn't be consider game. That's just a relationship falling apart. As a TRPer, I agree. That shit needs to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:36 PM
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as i'm not the one who made up the concept or regularly claims to use it to my advantage, i don't have to answer any of those questions (and couldn't even if i wanted to). The thread is specifically asking what BPers think it is without using quotes or links, regardless of whether or not they can define it in terms of TRP understanding. And I believe that's the whole point: To find out if BPers even know what they're talking about. try asking this at TRP; those answers would be more interesting.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:22 PM
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What do you say? Am I wrong? Yep. Partially. Women like men who are physically, mentally, socially and financially successful. The more successful a man is in all 4 traits, the more attractive he will become. The least successful a man is in all 4 traits, the less attractive he becomes. This is hypergamy; the preference of a mate of equal or higher status than her own. However, it is almost ALWAYS beneficial for both parties that the male is higher status rather than equal status because if the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:01 PM
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Women are taught not to ask for things and not to speak their minds. This is another reason for wage gap, women simply don't demand it. Are women actually taught to not speak their minds? If you look at today's society, there are more outspoken women than ever. Unfortunately, the ones who are outspoken are the ones studying feminism so end up going nowhere with their lives anyway (the irony). I don't think I've EVER seen my parents tell my younger sister (she's 7 years younger than me) to not sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 01:21 PM
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I wouldn't agree that it is necessarily easier for men to climb socially, but rather that men in general take more risks. More risk taking means more them are high achievers and more of them will hit rock bottom than the gender that is more controlling and reserved in their movements. Boom! There it is. The wage gap myth deconstructed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 03:31 PM
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Rape victim support groups and Alcoholics Anonymous are definitely legit safe spaces and necessary for therapeutic purposes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these aren't the same as the 'safe spaces' that SJWs preach about. These are actual government-funded facilities. A "safe space" is something more of a social boundary. Boundaries that enact preventative measures against anything/anyone with opposing views. It's kind of like being in a bubble of ignorance, where your truth is the only truth and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 01:44 PM
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Holy shit those videos haha. It boggles my mind how some people can act this way. Some of them are grown women, aged 40+. I just don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 01:42 PM
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Oh I didn't know he used TRP strategies, haha. It was just a joke. :P In all seriousness, the thing about TRP is that if you do it wrong, it obviously goes badly for you. Now I'm curious too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 01:00 PM
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It's one of those issues from the internet when they say mean things and you just want to crawl into your "safe space". People need their bully-proof windows and troll-safe doors. People need people who support them in their safe space. People need people who support them and say nice things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 12:34 PM
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Agreed. If you look at the MRA sub, that's all they are now. Outrage porn. It's pretty fucking sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 11:27 AM
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/u/lady_baker probably has the best answer here. I recommend that you remember (1) we took away mens' spaces, almost entirely, and (2) you are hearing a combination of locker room talk, rage, sadness, teen bravado, and wisdom with an absence of sugarcoating, in a place that the men who are missing those spaces have almost been herded to. You have to know TRP's audience and Lady Baker has explained it perfectly. The language of TRP is catered to men and isn't sugarcoated. It's 'locker-room-talk'.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 08:02 PM
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It is? I actually have no idea. I guess one of the mods deleted it... That's strange. Here it is again: You complain about feminism and how it has destroyed our world but just the way you view women as not your equals is the exact reason feminism exists in the first place. It's funny because it's because of feminism that TRP exists in the first place. I mean, the red pill men, I really don't get it, you think its okay for you to sleep around but when a woman sleeps around, she's a slut and she's…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:47 PM
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However, you should notice that throughout ALL of our successful cultures and traditions, women have been shamed for being promiscuous. Why is this? What benefit would civilization have for shaming women for being promiscuous? Why had each culture/tradition had adopted this belief? If Biology -> Culture -> Ideology, what part of our biology led to this? Continuation from my original post: All successful cultures/traditions have adopted the idea that women should not be promiscuous. Why? Let's re…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 05:51 PM
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As a TRPer, I have the same thought-process when it comes to rad fems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 03:11 PM
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I wouldn't use the word 'equal', but instead 'balanced'. You can have apples on one end of the scale and oranges on the other and have them balance, but they're not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 03:00 PM
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Like aanarchist has said, the 80-20 rule. We've already seen that 80% of men are unattractive to women, while only the top 20% are attractive (several sources already posted here on ppd, it's getting redundant to state). It's not hard to believe that 80% of TRP has a bunch of kids crying and trying to seek comfort in TRP beliefs. It's like going to church. You have some kind of inner pain and you want it to go away, so you look to a God to help you resolve your pain. This works for religious peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 03:00 PM
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That's the thing. What you consider RP, I don't consider RP at all. That's just quite mainstream. Not the only mainstream advice, but definitely mainstream. While I agree that it is known to plenty of people and maybe even portrayed in some media (TV, movie, etc.), it is definitely not the majority. What we have nowadays is the rise of the Politically Correct. And being PC is a form of censorship. Being censored prevents you from acting and saying the things you want. This is completely against …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:56 PM
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What do you consider RP? The idea of being fit and confident and not worshipping women? More or less. Personality wise, I would expect a man who is basically what feminists claim to be/want to be, aka: "Strong and independent". The "independent" part is the hard part though. We live the majority of our young lives under superiors who help us get through everything. Honestly, most of us wouldn't be here with that kind of rearing, but it's also why a lot of guys are becoming spineless. "Independen…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:27 PM
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"Well your sub sucks and you have nothing to offer!". They think that if it isn't on the TBP sub, BP'ers don't think it's a viable alternative. I think the general reason why RP says this is because saying "You have nothing to offer" is basically implying that the method other than RP doesn't work. Not necessarily that there's no existing advice from the BP side (sub and other media included). When you see the success that PUA guys have (which is also taught in TRP), you've got to wonder what wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 12:56 PM
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I'm confused. It's like /u/GuitarsAreGettingOld had a thought going on, then skipped all the parts that made it relevant, and ended with the conclusion. You've mentioned 'complicated' in each sentence... Each line. What does it mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 07:30 PM
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Due to evolution people are scared of lions and snakes. But today those are not real risks. A woman isn't nearly as at risk of being attacked by a a stranger as she may think, but she still has the fear that men do not of it happening. Agreed. Evolutionary responses still occur in human beings that were initially created thousands of years ago. If hypergamy existed due to evolution thousands of years ago, women's fear of strangers may also be deeply rooted in evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 07:27 PM
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If a man is attractive people still take him seriously, maybe more seriously than they would an average looking man. For women the hotter you are the less people will care about anything else about you other than your looks. The following is pretty RP, but here's how I see it: We can all agree that society thinks highly of people who are successful in these 4 traits: Physical Success (works out, has a good diet, dresses well. Tall if male, hour-glass if woman), Mental success (intelligent, ambit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 05:30 PM
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Completely off-topic, but damn, that girl is pretty attractive.
/r/PussyPassDenied01/06/16 06:31 PM
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Hillary's mistake is in thinking that facts convince people. Firstly, we all know that politician's lie, but there are several interviews, shows, etc. that explicitly show Hillary contradicting herself in past interviews, shows, etc. She doesn't choose a solid position, but is either on the fence or switches out whenever she feels like it. Nothing she says is something she actually believes in... And words have no meaning if you don't believe in them yourself. There's no weight to those words. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 12:38 PM
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Trump is a smart guy. You don't become a billionaire as an idiot. He's a master marketer and salesman. He's a businessman, ffs. If you've read his book, you'd know that while good publicity is good, bad publicity is still better than no publicity at all. So he does whatever he can to obtain the spotlight. With the American News eating up his shit, he's been on TV and the internet more than any other Presidential candidate. Now look at his competition. Bernie Sanders might seem like the logical c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 12:25 PM
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Before "taking the red pill" were you at all successful with women? I've been a natural with women since high school (mid 20s now). I stumbled across TRP because some people were hating on it here on reddit. I had actually been on the seduction sub to help other guys out when I believe I came across TRP (Not really sure, it's been 3 years!). I read it and found that it just said everything that I already knew (well, almost everything). A lot of TRP is common sense to most people who know a thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 12:09 PM
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Light-TRPer here, thanks for the thread. Will be checking out some of these books. A great feminist writer and professor that I know of would be Christina Hoff Sommers. Here's a book that I've recently purchased (but haven't read yet), called Who Stole Feminism, where she describes that there are two types of feminists, "equity feminists seek equal legal rights for women and men, while gender feminists seek to counteract historical inequalities based on gender". The latter is what we have nowada…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 08:53 PM
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As a Light-TRPer, damn, that's pretty refreshing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 08:37 PM
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Funny enough, I talk about TRP concepts all the time with the women I've dated and befriended, and all of them agree enthusiastically. Of course, I don't mention any TRP terms (such as AWALT, plates, etc.), but I have mentioned the word hypergamy as it's not a TRP term in and of itself (I explain to them that it's a more 'scientific' term). I actually find that most attractive women have already internalized these TRP ideas and just couldn't express it in words. After I explain to them these soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 05:57 PM
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As with all things, there are a few outliers. I'd like to re-emphasize that statement: There are a FEW outliers. The small percentage doesn't make up the general population. Also: Of course, a woman's attraction still depends a bit on demographics. This fact includes men. Black men tend to like BBWs more than any other race. That type of porn is catered to them. And even then, few black men really like BBW.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 05:04 PM
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Either that or some women see as alphas the people I see as betas. It can't be explained otherwise. You've answered your own question. Hypergamy isn't factual/objective for every woman, the same way as a woman's beauty is factual/objective to every man. Think about it. In a male's perspective, a woman's beauty is objective. Scarlett Johansson is hot not because she's a rich, famous actress, but because she's physically good-looking. She can be a janitor for all I care and I (and the rest of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 03:16 PM
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If by "patriarchy" you mean biology then I agree. As OPs already said to you, without men's physical labor, the human race would've gone to shit. And without women's care for children while men did the physical labor (hunting, exploring, building, fighting, etc.), the human race would've gone to shit. Both sexes had roles that pushed for the betterment of the human race. If the sexes swapped roles in ancient times, we would've died out by now. This is why ALL cultures of ALL places on Earth adop…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 09:56 PM
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lmao noone ever helped me in society so why should i help others. You HAVE to be selfish in this world, take anything and EVERYTHING you want because life is short as hell. Sounds like a bunch of angry bs. If that's the case, then I guess OP's thread is just for you man haha. Once a guy devotes everything to get laid, he'll have no success in life. He'll be trapped in a circle of "Oh if I don't get laid, I'm a failure!" and continues on trying to get laid without actually developing anything use…
/r/seduction25/05/16 03:19 PM
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That's the purpose of the male sex from an evolutionary perspective. Yes, it is the purpose of the male sex from an evolutionary perspective. But not a societal perspective. A man's worth is what he brings to the table. What he can do for society as a whole. /u/Lifting4Gainz said it already: The more value you bring to society, the more important you'll be, the more money you'll make. It's as simple as that. I can't even fathom how you don't understand this. It's simple economics. Provide a good…
/r/seduction25/05/16 03:16 PM
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Active "dread game" is about creating as much attraction for yourself as possible, thereby increasing the amount of options you have available, with the result of putting you in the driver's seat of your own sex life instead of allowing others to control it. Active dread game is actively looking for other girls and getting your girlfriend jealous. Ex: You want to give your gf dread. You go out with a female friend of yours for drinks. You don't actually DO anything with your female friend, but y…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 05:12 PM
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Like its a genetic defect in women rather than the plain fact that some people suck. On the contrary, it's not a 'defect' as you would describe it. TRP doesn't see it that way. We see it as it is: Genetic and innate. So we accept it. In actuality, hypergamy actually helps women... It just doesn't help your average guy, which is why TRP shows this 'dislike' of hypergamy and displays it as a 'bad' thing. It just doesn't help us.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 05:03 PM
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It's a poor explanation for divorce, given that nearly half of divorced women don't remarry and many are very negative or equivocal on the subject of remarriage when asked. That's largely because older women are less valuable to men. Divorces happen later in life simply because she overestimated her value compared to his. I think women have higher absolute standards, and are looking to form a partnership that can collectively support kids. This may be a higher or lower bar depending on economic …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 03:31 PM
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Your first paragraph talks about women leaving men they don't find attractive anymore. Is that any more common than men leaving women they don't find attractive anymore? The traits they find attractive tend to be different, but I don't have any reason to think that women are any more likely to leave, except in the special case of marriage where women are given incentive and men punished for leaving Here's the thing with attraction though. Men and women do find different things attractive. But be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 03:24 PM
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The pragmatic approach hm? Yeah, that's pretty much TRP right there. Everything we say/do is to get to the goal (sex with women in TRPs case) regardless of ethics/morals (of course rape is horrible and we don't condone it). This lack of ethics/morals and pragmatic approach to our goals is why the collective whole of TRP sounds like douchebags. We don't care what people think, we just care about the objective. You're actually sounding more and more TRP woman the more I read your comments. But as …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 02:42 PM
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Traditional gender roles from the Nuclear Age with slight variations (variations specific to the couple). I say 'slight' variations because back then in the 40s and 50s of the Nuclear Age, women didn't work nearly as much as men. Since women now work (but still not as much as men, nor do they take on harder jobs like men. There are statistics out there indicating men prefer STEM/business/hard labor, etc. jobs, and that women prefer clerical, teacher, caretaker, etc. jobs that don't have as much …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 02:36 PM
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Makes sense. You actually sound more like you're a Red Pill Woman. Reason being, you understand their game and how it's set up for you to lose TRP and the Red Pill Woman sub are basically against each other, but also work well together simply because they both acknowledge the reality of it all. They just have different goals that set each other up to lose. But once a TRP man and a TRP woman's goals align, the relationship actually becomes pretty amazing. I've actually had the pleasure of dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 02:26 PM
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As simple as you've put it, it's not so easily known or definitive in this way for most of the population. This is why TRP, PUA, etc. have created these terms/abbreviations. It's so we can easily assess information. That's all. These terms and descriptions seem obvious to us simply because we've read into it. Most guys don't even know what "stay cool" means. I actually find it funny how you've said "cool" several times in your descriptions by the way. I've agreed with most of your points except …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 02:21 PM
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Honestly, I'm not sure what this statement is supposed to mean. Everyone wants to feel that they did well. But in relation to what?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 02:13 PM
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Men are the ones who ignore the good women who would stay. I don't have sympathy when they get divorce raped. Really? That seems a bit harsh. Half of the man's finances gets thrown away simply because he got divorced by a woman he loved? That's throwing half a man's life away. No offense, but for a non-red pill, you sound like one of the noobie TRP guys who are in the Anger Phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 02:12 PM
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If something is destroying marriage, it's the divorce system that gives women incentive to divorce but punishes men for divorcing. While the laws may be incentive, the biological fact that women are hypergamous still plays in the equation. Let's say you're both of equal status (at least in her view). Then you get paralyzed from the waist down, but can still do your work (let's say you're a software developer). Would she be comfortable with her current lifestyle? Maybe. But the innate desire for …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 12:18 PM
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Well you are doing a terrible job as devil's advocate. "Certified" means obtained a certificate from a private educational institution. Yeah that was the point lol. Should've written /s or something to indicate the sarcasm, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 12:30 AM
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To play devil's advocate, the author of that article is a "Certified Marriage Educator and Divorce Coach", whatever that means...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 12:05 AM
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And if he gets that hot girl pregnant and has to pay child support, he should suck it up and do so without complaining, right? It's his mistake. He either corrects it by getting her to have an abortion or at least a paternity test. Get a pre-nups and protect himself legally. There's nothing to whine about. Whining is for guys who don't acknowledge that some things are uncontrollable in life. Whining is for guys who don't take control of their own lives. Sure you see a ton of whining TRPers, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 11:50 PM
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As a TRP man, I agree with everything except for 1 little tidbit: “Only Men Have Honor”: Studies have shown that men and women cheat approximately in equal amounts. However, men are significantly more likely to divorce their wives when their wives get cancer versus vice versa. This has been shown to be true across multiple countries. Read this excellent piece proving AMALT: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/sak1r/my_wife_has_breast_cancer_and_i_want_a_divorce/ Firstly, I want to see a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 11:41 PM
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With this being said, the reasons for believing in pill theory are completely genuine. No one who believes it is a bad person. However, replacing your longing for a girlfriend with a longing to be an "alpha" male only perpetuates the problem you have. I completely disagree with this. No one is replacing anything. It's called prioritizing. People's decisions on whether or not they want an LTR is also completely up to them, so saying that if someone doesn't want an LTR is bad, I would say that tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 11:27 PM
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Ok, in my opinion (and this is just my opinion) everyone who ascribes to the red pill, was traumatized at some point in their life by a failed relationship. I actually didn't join TRP because of failed relationships. I was randomly browsing reddit and someone mentioned TRP as a 'horrible sub'. I looked into it and just found out that they pretty much stated everything that I couldn't put into words. I've been very successful with women since high school and just couldn't put my success into logi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 09:03 PM
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This is one of the biggest red flags, I'm actually surprised it's not more common in the comments section here. Being obsessed with social media (Facebook, twitter, snapchat, etc.), especially for a good-looking girl, is pretty much her just trying to keep her (many) orbiters around for a "Just-In-Case-Dick" scenario or "extra credit card" scenario. Social media is the biggest change in society in terms of dating. Women have far greater access to men simply because all they have to do is look go…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 08:09 PM
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Creatine is the leading supplement in the number of tests that have been done on it. It is also the most proven supplement to actually have any benefits in muscle development (next to protein). BCAAs and all that other jazz? Not nearly as important as protein and creatine.
/r/TheRedPill23/05/16 07:13 PM
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You are right. And no risk takings always led to results; proven fact - for women. So she might not even want to manipulate you. Exactly. Women have always been the passive sex. Doing nothing still yielded them something. In today's society, even the government protects women regardless of their faults. It's sickening. It breeds stagnation for "safety's sake".
/r/TheRedPill23/05/16 07:09 PM
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It send counterintuitive, unless you understand how attraction really works. For those of you who are new to TRP, here's how it works: Women are hypergamous. Women prefer men who are of equal or higher status than their own. Anyone beneath her is invisible to her. If you're constantly trying to stay near her, you will give off the impression that you have nothing else better to do in your life. This means you're not cultivating value for yourself or society, and are instead, valuing her presence…
/r/TheRedPill21/05/16 01:11 PM
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Exactly. Being blunt as fuck isn't always the best method in getting your point across.
/r/TheRedPill21/05/16 01:00 PM
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I'm at work right now, but my advice on workouts would be to go with PHAT by Layne Norton. Now obivously, you won't look like him since he's on roids. But the program has everything a guy wants: Strength and Hypertrophy. As you probably already know, Strength workouts rely on heavy compound lifts, between 1-5 reps per set. Hypertrophy workouts rely on isolated lifts, between 6-12 reps, maybe even as far as 15-20. With PHAT, you'll be going to the gym 5/7 days of the week, having 2 Strength days …
/r/becomeaman17/05/16 03:00 PM
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Careful there buddy, you're going into some Red Pill theories there. /s
/r/PussyPassDenied17/05/16 02:52 PM
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Any suggestions for how I can get the most out of this? Do them instead of just talking about it. Seriously, I feel like most of these posts are asking for permission to start being a man. Stop asking for permission or asking for someone to 'back up/reinforce' your idea/goal. Part of being a man is being independent. You don't need anyone to tell you how to live your life. This is the whole problem TRP has with today' societies, where the media, peers and mentors have been so feminized that men …
/r/becomeaman17/05/16 02:46 PM
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As a huge fan of Steve Cook (inb4 homo jokes... No homo, maybe homo... I mean really, how could you not epitomize this?) I wouldn't care. I wouldn't even be mad if my gf went for this guy instead. This guy is nice as fuck, handsome as fuck, fit as fuck, popular as fuck, funny as fuck, etc. He's exactly what a lot of guys want to be like. All jokes aside, no man in their right state of mind would like an attractive male trainer to train their gf/wife/etc. Why? Ok let's put it this way. You're the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 01:00 PM
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if you watch porn, which is aimed at men, the guy is boring as fuck and the girl has big fake tits and blonde hair. Most of the porn I've seen has a huge ripped dude, not some weak, boring-as-fuck guy. Of course in a fantasy everything can be taken to extremes. Fantasies are just extremes of reality. The reality is that women want the 'best' guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 04:39 PM
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HIMYM did that episode on "settlers" and "reachers" and I think that's relevant here. If a woman settles with a hot guy she will be the one afraid he will leave her. That's true. But women's hypergamy WANTS men to have the higher SMV. Women want to be the 'reacher' and men to be the 'settler'. This is why women's fanfiction is all about a rich, tall, handsome, smart guy settling for some plain-Jane woman. Just look at Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey. The girl is always boring as fk. The guy? He h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 03:19 PM
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No it's not. TRP is teaching men to be the 'full-package'. Men must be successful physically, socially, mentally and financially. Betas are the guys who don't meet these criteria, specifically the social and mental because those indicate your behavior around women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:47 PM
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Ding ding ding! Media is screwing men left and right.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:46 PM
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Additionally, I'm willing to bet that men with "girlfriends at home" and "options" are even quicker to cheat than women in a similar position. That's hubris for you. Additionally, only the top 10% men can actually do that. Women? I'd say more of them can do this compared to men. When it comes to getting laid, guys will try almost anything. It's the women who have to agree to it. Any they will be approached. It's only a matter of saying yes/no. Proof? https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:45 PM
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Surely officers are akin to high status betas and attractive men are alphas? How so? Officers hold high status simply due to their career on the ship. Being physically attractive is one thing, but having a career that allows you to make a lot of money while being at a position of power is a lot superior than just physical looks. Of course, you'd still have to not be fat or skinny like a twig.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:40 PM
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If you were eating nothing but ramen every day and people regularly came up to you and offered your favorite food (cake, chocolate, ribs, pizza, steak, whatever), how long would you turn them down? This. This is exactly what TRP preaches when it comes to women's hypergamy. Women will always prefer the better male, and will not stop looking regardless of her relationship status. This is why average men get insecure when another guy starts talking to his girl. Why? Because men know how other men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:35 PM
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Men of the subreddit who enjoy anal, facials, choking, making a girl cry during sex, what is it about these acts that appeal to you personally? Uhh.. My girlfriend loves it? I've never met a woman who doesn't like being ravaged in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:24 PM
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As a TRP man, I agree with you. Since TRP is about a pragmatic (and realistic) approach to dating, this would be your best bet as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 02:30 PM
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So I've been reading lots of different opinions on things and one thing struck me about many red pill people (online at least). They talk a lot about "passing shit tests" and trying to flip the relationship power play in their favor. Firstly, shit tests don't originate from TRP. It comes from the PUA community (pick-up artists). They coined the term because it actually exists (duh), not TRP. This confuses me. Surely if someone is being manipulative like that they are a bad person? For the most p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 02:20 PM
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While both sides are using the same method, only one is really using legitimate facts: The "we are oppressed/disadvantaged" argument doesn't fall apart for TRP. Why? Because science. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/24/women-men-dna-human-gene-pool https://www.quora.com/Why-did-women-reproduce-17-times-more-often-than-men-8-000-years-ago Fuck it, I'll give you guys the google link. From the get-go, many more women than men have been able to reproduce throughout human history. This is…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:54 PM
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I don't think it should be irrelevant. As a TRP man, this is how my logic goes: Would you say a person's criminal history is irrelevant? No, it shouldn't be. So a person's sexual history shouldn't be irrelevant either. Now, some of you might think "Oh so you're equating criminal history with sexual history now? Blasphemy!". To those people, I say this: It's not about the severity of the action. It's that the action took place. Sure, killing someone is more severe than rampant cheating, but cheat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 12:34 PM
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No, I'm not saying a physical object is more valuable than sex. What I'm comparing is the work required to get that material good. If a guy who works as a cashier for minimum wage and buys his girlfriend a brand new purse for $200, how much shit did he have to go through to acquire that much money? Let's say he makes $11 (including tax). It took him 18 HOURS of work to get her that purse. And all she has to do is bang him for around half an hour? Where's the effort in that? And it's not like she…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 08:32 PM
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And yes for a lot of women they view their sex as a valuable good that can be compensated. For example if she only desires sex 2/week. And he desires 7/week, and she complies. Guess what? She's not going to feel bad about him paying for fancy dinners. Because she offered up something as well. Very true. However the problem here is that women feel that sex is worth the same amount as the fancy meal, that purse he bought her, etc. when they're clearly not worth the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 07:17 PM
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Lol, makes you wonder why guys are seeking TRP? And there's nothing even remotely close to TRP that women search for. Why is this? I guess if there's a problem, people tend to seek a solution. Men have a fuck ton of problems in dating/relationships. Women? Oh they have their problems, they just don't get it NEARLY as bad as men do. TRP wouldn't exist if there wasn't a problem. I mean seriously, look at this recent post on AskMen: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/4hz2p0/has_anybody_here_e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 07:57 PM
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Lol, hot girls are hot. Just because a girl is hot doesn't make her a 'bad girl'. All of these pictures of 'bad girls' just shows girls who were hot BEFORE the 'bad girl' persona comes in. By 'bad girls', I define that by their personality. These girls you've shown? They're objectively good looking. Physically attractive girls will always attract men, no matter her personality. And by 'attract men', I mean men will want to fuck her. Good looks attract men. A good personality keeps men. Bad girls…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 05:58 PM
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TL;DR: Men are biologically and historically built to dislike 'bad girls' simply because they are not loyal. They do not make good long-term relationships. But they are perfect for a simple pump-and-dump. And that's all they're really good for in the eyes of TRP. However, if we're simply talking about attraction, and not relationships, then the most physically attractive girl will attract men. It doesn't matter if she's a good girl or a bad girl. The dick wants what it wants. Women are hypergamo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 01:48 PM
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Does TRP have a "Beta of the Year" contest? If not, we should. If not for entertainment purposes, it would also be a cautionary set of stories of what NOT to be like. Either way, would be great. 10/10.
/r/TheRedPill10/04/16 05:32 PM
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A widely accepted belief over at TRP is that men and women are different biologically - specifically in their mentality. When presented with the theory that women are being held back by society, or the patriarchy, redpillers will quote studies showing inherent brain and hormonal differences between the genders. They believe women are not being held back by misogynists, but rather, they simply don't have the natural interest in [STEM/trades etc.] or the drive to care. It is due to their biology. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:14 PM
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This guy has it spot on. Can't even explain it better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 04:13 PM
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Well if my goal is to get laid, and there are no ethical concerns in my decision making as to how to achieve that (as far as women are concerned,) then how is it not in line with redpill thinking to lie to achieve my goal? You have explicitly said that ethics are not considered, and only the result matters, correct? I understand completely. But that's where TRP somewhat contradicts itself (not really). There is no ethical concern to getting laid, so why not lie? Because TRP is concerned with bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 11:59 PM
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Firstly, let me say that I'm glad I'm talking to a non-TRP and not getting mocked outright. If those other subreddits are like that, then yes, they are at fault. I havent read them and only know of PUA, so Ill take your word for it. But including them doesnt get TRP off the hook. Whether or not its one or many subreddits, if its similar to TRP tactics, I think very little of it. No, it doesn't get TRP off the hook. It just means TRP took an idea from where else and doesn't solely exist on TRP. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 11:56 PM
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I don't deny this, but I deny that TRP has a monopoly on success with women. I am appalled by TRP tactics, yet I also have success with women. I believe this is enough to disprove TRP as the sole pathway to success. Whatever you say, the idea that TRP holds the "truth" is in fact an argument that TRP is the only true way. Frankly, this is BS. I didn't say that TRP is the only way. You have success with women? Then you would be what we call a natural. You do not know (or at least, I assume you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 08:38 PM
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That's typical beta behavior imo. Pretending, that is. And that is where TRP differentiates between /r/seduction and the PUA community. The point of TRP is to be FACTUALLY successful, not pretend to be. This is why there's this "Monk mode" term going around in TRP. It's basically a time in which these guys just develop their selves and focus only on their selves, be that education, career or working out, etc. Unreal. But I said I wouldn't give any lip, so I won't. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 08:30 PM
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I think what OP was getting at was that it seems like an empty way to live. By your logic, is it amoral to say or believe anything? The main thing that TRP says is that sexual strategy is AMORAL. Meaning without morality, whether moral or immoral. It has nothing to do with it. And that is the only thing that is amoral. TRPers and BPers are the same when it comes to all other parts of life other than social dynamics. It is still wrong to kill another person or steal something from them. If you sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 07:52 PM
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We could go on like this, but the underlying disagreement between you and I is that TRP holds any kind of truth about the world. That is the underlying disagreement. That is true. It may be wishful thinking on both sides that their view is correct compared to the other, who knows. But what you cannot deny is my own success with women and life in general. To me, that is what matters. I think it points out some general behaviors, and then uses them as excuses to be really shitty to each other. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 07:44 PM
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And teen porn stars are not attractive by definition? Well teen implies young, and young women are attractive, so it actually does mean attractive by definition. Why does the red pill refuse to accept that many men love older women? These men could be searching for anything but they choose to watch older women. That's the thing. It's not many men. So it does not accept that notion. The red pill feels threatened because this goes against their revenge fantasies that when a hot woman is "post wall…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 07:30 PM
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But that isn't the goal in TBP. Subbing to TBP doesn't make them lack self-awareness in the rest of their lives. I think you're still generalizing a group that doesn't actually exist. :/ So... TBP group doesn't exist? Then why do people identify their selves at BP? And exactly, that isn't the goal of TBP. Their goal is satire, as the description has indicated, which is pointless in itself like /r/fatpeoplehate. And by pointless, I mean not constructive of anything personally. I think you know it…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 07:24 PM
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These are actually good examples. Having sex with a girl who's involved/married. TRP concludes that women are hypergamous, meaning they are constantly searching for a better man, even while in a relationship. So TRP tells men to constantly improve to keep their current status and maybe even attain a higher status. If a married/involved woman cheats on her husband for an RP man, that is her doing. RPers know that they cannot change the nature of others. RPers are also largely outcome independent.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 07:10 PM
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Christ, I'm not even a TRPer. But seriously, it helps to at least have a basic understanding of something if you wish to debunk it. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 06:42 PM
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It's not age in which men peak in attractiveness. You have this misconception that by reaching a certain age, BOOM, a man becomes attractive. That's not the case. What TRP is basically saying is that with time comes success. Your successes do not just happen out of nowhere. Great success, like Christian Grey's, is unique because he became a billionaire before 30. He is literally one in a billion in terms of success, just like Mark Zuckerberg, the creator of Facebook. But why don't girls like Mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 06:31 PM
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So can you give me a scenario that deals with ethics, and how redpiller and bluepiller would react? What do you mean 'deals with ethics'? Of whether or not it is okay to kill someone, for example? If so, then both TRP and BP would agree that it is wrong. The only topic in which morality and ethics are not considered is sexual strategy. Like TRP has made so famously, "sexual strategy is amoral". It's just getting laid or maintaining plates or an LTR that doesn't involve morality or ethics. Genera…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 06:16 PM
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I meant BP as a group itself. It does not look inward and realize that mocking and satire lead to nothing for personal development. RP as a group itself looks inward and even teaches newcomers to not talk about RP with anyone else in the real world (or BPers here on reddit for that matter) because it is pointless. And yes, it is a core part of success in life. That is why TRP is so inward and so selfish when it comes to responsibility (as in, they take all the blame for their own outcomes, and l…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 06:00 PM
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Red pillers seem to think 50 shades is what all women want.... So why is the guy so young? The girl is 21 so he's only 6 years older than her. Why isn't he 37 or 47? Because TRP doesn't say women like "old" men, but simply, "older" men. This is because women are hypergamous. They want men who are of equal or higher status than them. But for the most part, women want men who are physically, socially, mentally and financially better than them, not so much, "equal" to them. As an older man, he has …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:36 PM
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Is that really why? Or is it because TBP was created as a satire? And that BPers are only here to mock? If so, I don't understand the point of this sub at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:32 PM
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This seems to be the only thing BPers see. O well. I realize that this is a serious question on a sub filled with BPers who mock TRP, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. Eh, I guess I should've stuck to my gut that I wasn't going to get anything constructive in this PPD thread from BPers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:15 PM
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So you're saying BPers have some kind of set of ideas of looking inward and personal development? I thought BP was just 'anti-RP' and not exactly a group with ideas for itself? That it is largely reactionary rather than active independently.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 04:47 PM
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I maybe should reword that differently. If I were to reword it, I would say TRP attracts men who want to be successful. They can be pragmatic, they can become pragmatic afterwards, but regardless, they just want to be successful (in terms of sexual relations, for the most part). And that is not to say that TRP is only about getting laid. That's what it looks like from the outside, but it is largely inward personal development.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 04:14 PM
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Ethics and morality exists. I admit that. But the way TRP functions is that it does not take them into account because all they are interested in are results. All they want is success. Sure you can assess the morality and ethics of being an asshole to get women, but doing so grants you nothing in return in terms of success with women. Doing so does not help you get women. Is that a good example?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 04:11 PM
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And you inspire lust by being sexy/attractive/hot/etc... And how do you think that is accomplished for men? Is it not through being a high status male? A high status male has great success in the physical, social, mental and financial aspects of life. And this is EXACTLY what TRP teaches men to be, whether you believe it or not. Idris Elba is a high status male. He is tall, physically built, dresses well, is respect, confident, dominant, assertive, and from what I can see he's intelligent (and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:59 PM
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How is it fucked up to believe that all social interactions are a power struggle? It's amoral to say that all social interactions have a power struggle. It has nothing to do with ethics or morality. If you go out with a group of friends, who makes the decisions? You might say that the "group" makes the decisions, but what about if someone just submits to the decision without liking it just to appease the group? There's always an alpha who sways the decision in one way or another. They are the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:54 PM
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It is very complicated. That's why when it's presented in TRP is looks simple/stupid as fuck! I completely understand that. And the reason why it looks simple/stupid as fuck is because the vets have streamlined the information so much that it looks like it's coming out of their asses now. So why is it streamlined? To help the majority of the TRPers! Information is just easier to process in this way. But if you actually look at the sidebar, the complexities are all explained. (Not that I think yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:42 PM
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While I agree with most of your post, the one issue here is your labeling of BP. They're just trolls. That's all. It's not actually a group doing anything for their selves, it's just a reactionary sub against TRP to mock. The thing with this sub is that it assumes BPers actually have some kind of strategy liken to the way RPers have strategy. But they don't really have a clear, laid out strategy at all. They just do whatever looks natural to them or whatever society makes them believe to be natu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:40 PM
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It only really looks like a dogma because TRPers are so insistent of the behavioral patterns that they see in men and women. But if you see dogs and cats constantly having a certain pattern of behavior and you say that's just how they are, would you consider that dogmatic? (Lol there's a pun in there, but w.e). To TRPers, the behavioral patterns they see are all natural. Saying something exists isn't dogmatic. It's just being obvious (at least, in the view of TRPers).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:33 PM
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See, that's the thing with TRP. You removed the blunt language we use in that sub. I wish you good luck and if things go south we're here for you. If I were to put our language back in, it would've been: "Good luck. If or when things go south, it's your fault for being a fucking loser." And that's putting it mildly. It would then be considered offensive and people automatically get revolted without actually reading or understanding what's being said. Pretty much anyone who takes offense easily w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:14 PM
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TRPer here in a 3yr LTR. Manipulation and powerplays occur in every relationship, romantic and platonic. TRP just lays out what exactly happens in these powerplays. TRP discusses the rules and how to play it. TRPers are simply aware of it. It's not that manipulation, as you put it, doesn't exist in any relationship (because it does), but that it is something we are aware of and have solutions for... TRP, after all, is a sub for a man's success, whether you agree with it or not. EDIT: Looking bac…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 01:52 PM
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just the word 'beta' implies TWO... how can you have 20,000 betas in a sub? It's a joke.,.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 01:43 PM
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If you're new to TRP, that's how it's going to be like. But once you're a vet, all of this comes naturally and doesn't really need much thinking. It looks like these guys are thinking about it all the time, but that's what's TRPs for. It's to show what you're thinking. But in reality, they're just doing their own thing without really having to think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 01:29 PM
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MILF = Mother I'd Like to Fuck. They're attractive by definition so your argument is redundant. It's like asking "What color is the fruit 'orange'?" The answer is in the name!!! But to actually delve into this question here's a thought: Maybe some guy has some oedipus complex? And to flip this around, there are FAR more women who like older men then men liking older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 01:15 PM
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But if for the most part it's just ignoring people who don't think highly of you then I guess I'm guilty of that myself. Exactly! Lots of people do this. Anyone with self-respect does it. But the thing is, TRP's blunt language makes them take it to a whole other level, whether intentionally or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 01:13 PM
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It's true. You don't have to be an asshole. But the reason why assholes are so "hot" to women is not because of their asshole tendencies, but because they're not spineless. You can be confident, assertive and dominant without being an asshole. A lot of the TRP guys here don't seem to actually understand that, so here it is for you fellow TRPers reading this. Like I said in a previous comment, I'm not for being a dick. You're pretty much repeating what I said in a previous comment here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 01:07 PM
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Love and sex are pretty closely intertwined, so I can see how people can get them mixed up. Look at your typical teenager for example. At the age of 16 he believes that he's in love with a girl. Nope. Just hormones. The example I gave that you quoted is just that. It is these people who have not emotionally matured enough to understand that giving time, effort and resources does not equate to/result in receiving affection in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 12:07 AM
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These have got to be the most beta comebacks I've seen. /u/kranos33 has laid it out on how it's supposed to be done.
/r/TheRedPill19/02/15 11:58 PM
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As a long time TRPer, that guy's post was incredibly shit. That sub is going to shit with all these noobies coming in and upvoting whatever they think is "alpha". As one of the commenters has said: There are two rules to remember: Don't get phased, or act buthurt. Powerplays are meant to elicit emotional response in you and how the group sees you. Acknowledging and then completely ignoring the offender at the same time is the best response, and honestly a mindfuck. This is the best place where b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 11:54 PM
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Maybe I was misinformed then, because I've seen posts of TRPers in LTRs who deliberately flirt with other women when their wife isn't behaving the way they want them to. And then since it's "just" flirting they can pull back and be like "what? I wasn't doing anything. Maybe if you'd blow me more often I wouldn't do that". But if for the most part it's just ignoring people who don't think highly of you then I guess I'm guilty of that myself. The point of dread game is to show that the guy shouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 11:33 PM
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But besides that, I think that RP takes this whole thing the wrong way. Yes, DO GOOD ONTO PEOPLE. Because that is what is kind and what is right. Hey, you see an old couple on the side of the road with a flat? It's not wrong to stop to help them out. It's not wrong to go out of your way to help people. It's wrong to let yourself get taken advantage of but not to help others if that is what you want to do. I like to help others. Good things do happen when you do good things. TRP doesn't tell men …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 11:25 PM
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But we're talking about dread game. Dread game is used exclusively on plates and girlfriends and wives. And dread game absolutely works both ways. A girl can dread game a guy. How would you feel if a women you loved used dread game on you? 'Dread game' in TRP involves the active and passive, both pretty much giving the same message of "I have options". The passive is hard to do. Passive dread game occurs when you have high status. Women will not want to lose a high status male to another woman. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 11:15 PM
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I've never denied that interesting guys will do better with women than Nice GuysTM . I just don't think that you have to be an asshole in order to appear confident and interesting. It's true. You don't have to be an asshole. But the reason why assholes are so "hot" to women is not because of their asshole tendencies, but because they're not spineless. You can be confident, assertive and dominant without being an asshole. A lot of the TRP guys here don't seem to actually understand that, so here …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 11:12 PM
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You're never going to find out by speculating about evo-psych on the internet. Most actual scientists don't even know why many human behaviors exist. You think a bunch of young men on the internet suddenly unlocked secrets that scientists have been researching for years? Even if the evo-psych stuff is bs, the results TRP creates are still there, which is one of the things that attracted me to it. Like PUA, a lot of what TRPers post on the sub are personal experiences and solutions. Honestly, I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 10:53 PM
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I disagree that feminism is a sexual strategy. I disagree that women love opportunistically. I think women can love men in the same way that men love women. I disagree with nearly all the evo-psych conclusions of TRP. I think dread game is psychological manipulation and immoral. I think "plating" often forces men to use dread game tactics. I don't believe that women have an advantage in our society. I see. Feminism as a sexual strategy? I never actually saw it like that, myself. I'm not sure whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 09:43 PM
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If that's your definition, then probably everyone here is Red Pill. I've never seen someone on this sub advocate putting women on a pedestal. Never. Not once. I don't read TBP so I wouldn't know what gets posted there, but I know that the so called BP men here have never advocated putting women on a pedestal. So I guess we're all RP. I don't know if I'm a minority or not, but yes, that is pretty much my definition. Basically /r/seduction, /r/selfimprovement, /r/MGTOW and a bit of /r/MensRights. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 09:24 PM
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Clearly. Have you? You say you're not out of school yet. Do you have a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 09:10 PM
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I said that BP men (aka men that post on TBP) don't behave like this. You may be right, you may be wrong. We don't know anymore than what we see here on reddit. This makes me really want to just edit my original post and said "average guy" instead of BP. As far as myself, I never put women on a pedestal either. Maybe I did when I was a freshman in high school, but I learned really fast that equality means equality. You treat women the same way you treat men. Women don't deserve preferential trea…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 08:53 PM
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"Build a thousand bridges and you're a bridge builder. Suck one cock and now you're just a cocksucker". All joking aside, yeh, I don't like her either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 08:48 PM
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Damn, I thought TRP had hate. (sarcasm)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 08:46 PM
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Can you devote attention/energy to your child every once and awhile? Yes? I didn't say you couldn't. yeah partners. my SO and I will make the same when we are finished school. Cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 08:44 PM
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Then you don't know the poor guys out there. How old are you by the way, if you don't mind me asking? I just want to know the general demographic here. I'm in my early 20s, so I've seen how guys act this way both in high school and in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 08:38 PM
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A lot of the guys in BP are very likely to be romantics Maybe because not all BP are romantics? Maybe I should've reworded the whole "A lot of the guys" part. lol. BP should only really be used on people who are anti-TRP. Romantics aren't really a subgroup of BP, but BP CAN be a subgroup of romantics (since they oppose the whole 'Chad Thundercock' personality).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 08:29 PM
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Exactly. I don't actually believe unconditional love exists. Only the illusion of it. See, these men may say it is unconditional love that they give, but what they're really saying is "Hey, I'm giving you all this time, effort and resources, meaning I like you. You have to like me back!". But no one actually likes people like that. Why? Well, mostly because you can't respect them. You never like whom you don't respect. And giving away all your time, efforts and resources is a sure way to lose al…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 08:23 PM
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That's right. He is a man and should take care of himself. That's TRP's preaching too. But to say that you don't have to spend energy or any attention to him is the main problem with women nowadays. It's like saying that "women should please their men every once in awhile" is a form of disease and the limb should be cut off or something. This is one of the main things that's wrong with modern feminism. It is misandry at its core. The man would give his resources to his wife, but doesn't get anyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 08:10 PM
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The thing is, men and women have different versions of "love". A lot of the average guys out there guys in BP are very likely to be romantics. And being a romantic as a male is completely different from being a romantic as a female. Let me explain: Men's romantic gestures and 'niceness' come from some universal socio-karmic belief that by doing 'good', 'good' will come to them. So by being nice to women, they believe that women will like them for it (hence the 'good' will come to them). Unfortun…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 07:52 PM
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Personally, women have never really failed me. I might be one of the few TRPers here who just 'naturally' had things going for them. I only got into TRP because they put what I thought into words. Things that I already knew were made clear. So no, I don't come from bitterness due high expectations of women. I was largely 'outcome independent' without knowing it (I've only put this into words due to TRP).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 06:58 PM
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I wouldn't "go through" hundreds of girls in a couple of weeks or months. When I talk to people (not just women,) I assume I don't know anything about them. That way it's easier to not come off like a prick. Then it is your own doing for not going through hundreds of women in a month, is it not? Coming off as a prick? Jeez, /r/seduction is right here. Please visit it. Assuming that a man speaks the native language of a country is different that assuming than the majority of hot women are dumb. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 05:04 PM
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Yes, Redpillers tend to use AWALT - that is a fault of theirs, not a strength It most definitely IS a strength. To go through hundreds of girls at clubs in a couple weeks/months, would you not use a generalization to help streamline your interactions? Let me give you a different example of a generalization/stereotype: You live in the U.S.A. You see a white man. You automatically speak English to him. Why? Because you have a preconceived notion that he is like you, an American. This is a generali…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:11 PM
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Exactly. It's as if they can't stand the fact that someone disagrees with them. It's avoiding confrontation at all costs, even at the cost of complete censorship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:38 PM
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On the flip side, if you are drunk and are not in the capacity to make the decision then that pretty much explains that for itself. Therein lies the point of responsibility. A responsible person would not get drunk before driving. And neither should a responsible person get drunk before having sexual interaction. That's what boggles my mind about this whole scenario. They remove all responsibility from their selves once they get drunk, when the actual issue is getting drunk in the first place. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:29 PM
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The people on /r/spacedicks aren't afraid of being doxxed because they don't have a large opposition like TRP does (aka feminism & BPers).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 01:34 AM
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Shots fired!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 01:31 AM
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Ever heard of sarcasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 01:29 AM
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So that means I find TRP ideology pretty fucked up. Not only is it misogynistic, it's pretty much misanthropic. I mean these guys hate everyone: women, non-"alpha" men, LGBT folks, liberals, conservatives, uppity minorities, etc etc etc. I feel like you have to have a pretty serious chip on your shoulder against the world to buy into it. Sorry man, but whoever told you that is probably a BPer. That is not TRP. People assume it is hate because of the noobies getting into TRP who are still in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 08:28 PM
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And one of the faces of feminism is Anita Sarkeesian, a feminist whose use of "scientific statistics" and the funds she acquired to create bullshit videos about feminism, the patriarchy and misandry? There's also Rebecca Watson too. That girl can talk a lot of misandry. Your point? And I thought you ended everything with your "Have a nice day." quip. Huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 08:06 PM
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"Oh it was my fault all along for not realizing that women are degenerates and should be treated as such." That's a pretty big straw man if I ever saw one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 07:59 PM
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That is your strawman argument. What?... That's your argument. You don't even make sense. Both. Dumbass. Snarky comment? You know anger leads to hate. And hate leads to the Dark Side. Because TRP is built on shaky assumptions and exploring them would reveal that the manosphere is full of crap! The whole point of TRP is that it is a pragmatist's group. They accept reality for what it is and find real world solutions to it. There are no shaky assumptions. Have a nice day. You too!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 07:57 PM
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If you haven't been a women you won't really get why a "safe space" is needed. But why not make everything as safe as possible for all peoples? Because safety, in "women's safe place" terms, is the censorship of information. They do not want to discuss anything that changes their views or hurts their feelings. For TRPers, it's better if debate is given so that constructive information is transferred, despite what BPers may think about TRP. Periods can get pretty serious. Especially when the bloo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 07:48 PM
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Exactly. Couldn't have said this better. TRPers are literally told to just "deal with it". Which is why that sub has such a harsh language to their fellow man. It's this "suck it up" vibe that tells men to accept reality for what it is instead of dreaming and putting women on pedestals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 07:15 PM
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TBP is anything that isn't TRP Then... Isn't the BP Advice I laid out exactly what BP is since it is "anything that isn't" TRP? To put it differently, the advice OP put forth is what TRP IS. And going by what you said, anything that isn't TRP is BP. So... You're agreeing with me? Many people who identify as blue would agree that what you said as the "BP example" is shit advice, because it is a strawman I'm not understanding this. They disagree with that shit advice because it is a straw man? Or …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 07:13 PM
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This is the only logical answer. Do you think it could be that people create subs to discuss their own issues, and not have to worry about what other people think? That is where women have it all wrong. It's good to have debates, even if they are very confrontational and aggressive. It allows information to be traded, whether or not the ideas are accepted does not matter. What matters is that it is known. If someone accepts it, then you've changed their view. Women's "safe spaces" are designed s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 07:05 PM
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Your "BP view of the examples" is ridiculous and a strawman What makes it a strawman? It is essentially the exact opposite of TRP, and just from name alone, the Blue Pill is the exact opposite of TRP. Aren't their ideas also the complete opposite? This is a loaded question by the way, since to say that they are not opposite means that they are not, in fact, Blue Pill, but rather Red. This is why you see posts entitled "women are shit" on TRP. This is also why you have AWALT, which is lazy and an…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 07:00 PM
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TRP is not a safe sub. Like you said, TRP does have a very "suck it up" vibe. There's no emotional sympathy, unlike feminine subs. It's just facts at face value and solutions to solve them. It's a very robotic type of methodology, but one that is far more useful than talking in some circle-jerk manner where nothing is resolved. And that's the beauty of TRP: It is very result-oriented.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 06:53 PM
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The most common form of disagreement is some form of shaming language and generic male-shaming (eg. "You're all a bunch of misogynist neckbeard losers who deserve to die") Or the "You're just bitter!" language.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 06:49 PM
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And this is why no constructive arguments can be made. BPers just mock. :/ I honestly feel like people who just mock are just really bitter people. They cannot find solutions to problems and thus resort to mockery of people who try (and happen to succeed). It just turns into a sad circle-jerk when these people group up and maintain this belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 06:33 PM
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This is what annoys me. Feminists have this incorrect belief that men have MORE rights and freedoms than women. This is simply not true. You can visit any legitimate law website or just check your constitutional rights/freedoms and you're already debunked. What feminists want is all the power with none of the responsibility that comes with it. Seriously, they need to watch Spider-Man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 06:14 PM
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I didn't read that wall of text, but considering that TRP is nearly 5x the size of TBP, this place attracts very few of them in percentage. That's probably because TRPers are told not to discuss TRP ideas with anyone. It is pointless to argue with BPers because it yields nothing constructive for the TRPer. TRP is all about self-improvement, so wasting time, effort and emotional investment on a futile argument isn't really part of their 'thing'.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 06:06 PM
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Overall, they are both taking on the qualities of hate groups. Posters seem unconcerned with coming to any lasting philosophical improvements, but rather just dumpstering their inadequacies and loathing into a rival group that represents the source of their pain. It is therapeutic in the short term, but unproductive in improving one's life situation in any meaningful sense. I strongly disagree with this, even as a fellow TRPer. TRP, if you've read enough of it, will tell you not to argue with BP…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 05:18 PM
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This is also exactly why I started posting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 05:10 PM
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Again, this is based off of my experiences. You've quoted it yourself. What I see happening is what I talk about. How can you say that what I've seen with my own eyes is wrong? This is the main premise behind TRP's reasoning: Doing/seeing things for yourself and coming up with conclusions. It is result-oriented. Yes, I've seen beautiful women talk about intellectual topics. But your typical hot sorority girl will not. The beautiful intellectual women are few and far in between. It is not the nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 05:08 PM
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Firstly, take my upvote for being so middle-grounded. I don't understand why you got downvoted when your comment is actually very well thought-out and makes logical sense. I just have a few quips to point out: A lot of the things Femanists want are social and lawful changes - It's not something they see as being able to improve themselves as they are not the problem in their fight. Concerning lawful changes, that is exactly where they're wrong. If feminist can outright prove to me that I, as a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 04:54 PM
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This, to me is offensive. Not in the SJW/tumblrina way, but offensive in that it’s rather silly to assume someone “winning” in the sexual market would have little interest in the dynamics of TRP/PPD. Contrary to popular belief, women are not as self-centered and “solipsistic” as we’re made out to be. It just insults ones intelligence. I mean why not? It’s like saying someone who doesn’t have cancer would have little interest in researching or even curing cancer. Many people are “aware” of TRP, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 04:34 PM
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Concerning abundance: It's more like a state of mind more-so than something you can 'demonstrate'. It's knowing that there is an abundance of women out there, so much so that you no longer put 'pussy on a pedestal'. It's knowing that you have other options. It's knowing that you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket so as to avoid 'failure'. For all intents and purposes, it's a 'safety mechanism' taught to TRPers so that they no longer feel or look desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:40 PM
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I see that as compliment, so I'm going to take it. No take backs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:36 PM
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And that is why both sides will never ever agree on anything lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:03 PM
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Couldn't have said that better myself. One side is dealing with solutions for real world problems. The other is looking at the ethics of such solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:02 PM
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It's not that you initially consent because you are drunk and sober up halfway through and that you cannot withdraw consent. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea of what I'm saying but that is 100% not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that you have willingly, of your own volition, put yourself into a drunk state after flirting with a man. It's like saying you have willingly, of your own volition, put yourself into a drunk state right before driving. You get arrested in this case and ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 05:59 AM
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Unless you are of the belief your consent cannot be withdrawn? ??? No, it's not about initial consent, nor is it about withdrawing consent. It's about taking responsibility, simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 05:33 AM
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God knows that men can't say "well my inhibitions were lowered cause I was drunk I just couldn't help myself" as an excuse to rape, so women shouldn't use alcohol as an excuse either. Couldn't have said that better myself. I'm gonna quote you on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 05:22 AM
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Exactly my thought. I've been around a lot of women and some have actually outright told me that they can actually tell what's going on and what's about to happen. Mind you, they're not feminists or SJWs or the like. They're just girls who like to have fun (cue song). Women have the innate ability to interpret verbal and physical cues better than the average man. I honestly don't think women DON'T know what they're doing when it comes to these situations. The girls I know proved this to me in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:17 AM
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I agree. I'm actually a TRPer myself. But a solution to drunk girls isn't what I'm asking for in this thread. Take my upvote anyway, so guys can know how to deal with that bs. I'm just curious as to what modern feminists think of when they see someone like Camille Paglia telling them the exact opposite of what they're currently trying to advocate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 10:21 PM
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I just loled after reading that last line. Oh the hypocrisy.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/14 06:45 PM
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This sweet little old lady telling me about her fucking heroic husband... and it turns out they ONLY stayed together because she didn't think she could do better. I think this is largely due to the fact that in the old lady's time, communication was still in its infancy. Sure we had phones and hand-written letters, but for the most part, you couldn't meet people as easily as you could today. She just couldn't get noticed by the alpha males. Nowadays, women can get attention from almost any guy j…
/r/TheRedPill20/11/14 06:20 PM
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I'm on my phone right now, so I can't watch the video. Do you happen to know the conclusions of the documentary?
/r/TheRedPill19/11/14 03:29 PM
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Fucking white knights. Dumb asses, all of them.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/11/14 12:14 AM
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This is why you need that prenup.
/r/TheRedPill13/11/14 06:06 PM
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I lose frame at the wrong times and let my emotions rule me in some high pressure situations at work. A good way to maintain frame is to slow down. Slowing down does two things: It shows that you're not catering to their time. If you talk too quickly, you will appear desperate to show your opinion and look like you're trying to let out as much as you can before the other person moves on. It looks beta as fuck. Secondly, slowing down let's you gather your thoughts. Now I don't mean for you to slo…
/r/TheRedPill12/11/14 01:35 AM
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One of the greatest challenges to newcomers still swallowing the pill is the realization that women are not delicate creatures that need protecting. The propaganda has been strong - constant - unending - that women are damsels in distress; that they need us to protect them; and that being the white knight in shining armour will grant us their love and adoration. This is true. It's also very funny because it's the ONE thing we Red Pillers have in common with feminists. Feminists HATE being seen a…
/r/TheRedPill11/11/14 02:48 PM
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Ryo, I think you should also mention that this only really works if you're a successful man (physically, socially, mentally and financially). If you're some loser and you start treating women like "meat" they're not going to like it. She'll just think "who the fuck is this loser to treat me this way?" She won't feel that you deserve to treat her that way because she sees you as inferior. If your SMV is high, you can get away with this pretty easily.
/r/TheRedPill10/11/14 07:12 PM
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Holy shit thanks for the translation man!
/r/TheRedPill09/11/14 01:02 PM
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Fat acceptance movement? Fat people should accept movement instead. Fat people should accept movement instead. LOL.
/r/TheRedPill09/11/14 03:07 AM
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Step 4: Frame Frame is simply your idea of yourself. Are you a cool, confident, fun, awesome person? Are you witty and intellectual? You need to develop alpha characteristics in your frame such as stoicness, abundance mentality and high value. Step 1-3 above and your characteristics as you see yourself feed into your frame. Make sure its clean. In particular, you need to weed out anything bitchy out of your frame. Many shit-tests are simply integrity tests of your frame. Did you get upset when s…
/r/TheRedPill03/11/14 01:55 PM
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The threshold for being the object of such attention is just lower when you're female, because hypergamy. All those feminists blaming everything on "patriarchy" should actually be saying "hypergamy". It's really the root of all things. It's why men are usually "better" than women, because we HAVE to be to get laid.
/r/TheRedPill02/11/14 04:55 AM
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