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Your comment is pretty spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:01 PM
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In the same episode, the professor stated that 80% of childless women in their 40’s wanted to have children and just didn’t, 10% outright did not want children and 10% could not have children for one physical reason or another. The number one reason the 80% of childless women who wanted children gave for not having children was not finding the right partner at the right time. I think your premise is largely correct. A 32-year-old woman already in a marriage or with who she believes is her lifelo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:59 PM
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You are correct about life spans in medieval times, Ancient Rome, China’s best ancient dynasties, etc. If they made it out of early childhood without some disease killing them, people did regularly live well into their 50’s and beyond. But I’m not talking about after the advent of civilization. I’m talking pre-historical times. Hunter/gatherer times. Then, it was really rare to make into your 30’s because of malnutrition and disease. There’s a big jump in living standards between Rome and cave m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:49 PM
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This is one of those problems where human biology lags behind human sociology. Human female fertility developed hundreds of thousands of years ago. Obviously, living conditions then bare no resemblance to living conditions now. So we are stuck with human fertility that developed in a world where women didn’t make it much past 20 and rarely made it to 35. The result is that women today face a really difficult dilemma. If you wait until you are economically ready for children, you might not be bio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:28 PM
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Agreed. But we should want women to make the most informed decision possible based upon the best possible data. The Modern Wisdom podcast recently had an episode with a professor who is studying demographics and the coming population collapse. This professor’s research produced a stat that I found surprising and I still can’t believe it’s true. This professor said that if a woman, anywhere in the world, is childless at 30, she has only a 50% chance of ever having a child. So, according to his re…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:43 PM
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Your comment actually made me realize that the last sentence of my comment was wrong. It was too harsh. I’m man enough to admit when I’m wrong. And I was wrong in saying that your particular sexual fetish was “weird”. I erased that sentence. As someone who believes in individual freedom, I sincerely apologize.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 04:31 AM
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I do not give “normal” a positive or negative connotation. Lots of abnormal things are positive. Musical genius is abnormal but it obviously isn’t negative. I meant normal in terms of usual vs. unusual. I think you would admit your fetish is unusual. Certainly nothing wrong with it. It just isn’t common.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 03:58 AM
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It’s ok. I’m going to assume you are young and fairly inexperienced. Let me make it clear that porn isn’t real life sex. As in, not even close. Porn is to sex what Star Wars is to real space flight. I cannot imagine a normal, real life woman caring one iota about the amount of semen you produce.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 03:06 AM
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It is getting attention because people are interested in the topic. Media is a for profit business. It’s also a copy cat business. Articles and videos about men suffering are now getting clicks, which means revenue for those media outlets. The question is why do podcasts, articles and videos about male suffering now get clicks? Enough men are now suffering that it’s beginning to have economic and societal effects. Corporations are losing workers and profits. Women aren’t finding partners. These …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:40 PM
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Thank you for this comment. Properly drafted prenups where both parties have their own separate counsel will be upheld. So many men comment that their buddy had a prenup and a judge tore it up and gave the ex-wife everything. It simply isn’t true. Spend the money on a lawyer and get a real prenup that is appropriate for your jurisdiction. Don’t print s boilerplate agreement off the internet and have her sign it a day before the wedding. Also, prenups cannot change or alter child support. The rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:45 PM
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If you really want to feel depressed, look up some stats on current male friendships. Terrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:10 PM
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If you look at the trends, marriage rates are falling significantly and approximately 60% of men under 30 describe themselves as single. Certainly some of those men will marry but just as many will divorce. This isn’t an exact science and no one knows exactly how many unattached men we are going to have moving forward. But it’s safe to say the days of 90+% of men marrying in their lifetime are over. Based on current trends, it’s reasonable to posit that about half of men in Gen Z and subsequent …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:48 PM
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Actually, I think I’ll keep saying anything I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:30 AM
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Some men are depressed and suffer from anxiety due to their brain chemistry and no lifestyle changes are going to fix them. David Foster Wallace (author of Infinite Jest) was like that. He, and men like him, need real medical attention, i.e. medication, behavioral therapy, etc. I don’t mean to belittle those men in the slightest. Sadly, David Foster Wallace did not get the medical attention he needed. But most men could get rid of their depression and anxiety with lifestyle changes. AJ Soprano d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:10 AM
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Well stated, comment. I like that you mention love. Men need to learn that we are allowed to love things besides a woman and any children we produce. It’s ok to love hobbies, your friends, etc. It’s healthy to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:02 AM
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I’m indifferent to anyone calling me weak. I have enough self confidence to not care what people online say to me or about me. If someone wants to insult me to my face, well, there are ways to handle that, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:00 AM
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It certainly can be. I wish more guys would realize that a bachelor’s life is still a worthwhile life. It can be filled with joy and fulfillment. You don’t need a family, but you do need human connection and a purpose. I’m far more concerned about the decline in male friendships than I am in the decline of marriage and relationships. Not much men can do about the decline in marriage and relationships, but there is plenty men can do about the decline in friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 06:58 PM
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I’m not suggesting they all work 80 hours a week at jobs they hate just so they can pay taxes. That sounds horrible. I am suggesting they earn enough money that they can support themselves at whatever economic level they think is best for them. I then suggest to these men that they develop friendships and hobbies and take care of themselves physically. I’m suggesting these men make themselves as strong as possible in mind, body and soul. But I am beginning to realize many guys won’t do that. Ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:39 PM
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I do think about half of men should forget the idea of dating and marriage. The problem is that a lot of men aren’t willing to admit to themselves they are part of the half that should quit. But the reality is, about half (maybe slightly more) of all men are never going to find a long term female companion. For a host of reasons, female standards have risen exponentially and they aren’t coming back down. So these men need to acknowledge that the love of their life isn’t coming. They have two cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 03:17 PM
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We will just print the money and live with high inflation forever. The American voting public will never, ever under any circumstances elect politicians who will cut spending. There will always be pandering politicians who tell the public we don’t need to cut anything and they will keep getting elected.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:03 PM
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In a relationship, whomever cares the most - loses.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 05:29 AM
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The laws governing property distribution after divorce are literally medieval. They haven’t been updated. Which is why a wife keeps the house instead of having to buy out the husband’s half interest in it. If the house is worth $100,000 on the open market, the person staying in the house should pay the other $50,000 for the right to stay there. Divorce and family law should operate like business and commercial law to better reflect the realities of modern times. Instead, the law still treats mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 12:45 PM
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“She’s bored” is the number one reason for divorce. Not him cheating, not him beating. It’s why most young men should not get married. You aren’t going to please her for decades. Unless you are a truly high value male, you should not get married. 40 years is a long time and you have to keep her happy for all of it. If you don’t, “she’s bored” is going to get you and then you’ll be at the mercy of literally medieval divorce and property laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 11:36 PM
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I’m not a woman, but I don’t think this is a very good premise. The reality is most women aren’t choosing either of these men. Pat can look like non-Thor Chris Hemsworth and most women won’t go near him . . . because of the TWO KILLINGS!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:41 PM
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I think you are right about all of that. But people don’t think that long term. Especially women. I don’t think the typical woman is going to put up with a man for decades just so her retirement can be easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:34 PM
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Divorce rates have stabilized because the dysfunctional couples that still got married in the 70’s and 80’s, even into the 90’s, don’t even get married now. Marriage is becoming an elitist activity for the upper middle class. Working class and lower middle class couples have kids out of wedlock and then break up without ever getting married. So I won’t be surprised that as the marriage rate drops, the divorce rate will drop with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:04 PM
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A large portion of men will not “go” their own way voluntarily, they will be “sent” their own way involuntarily. Now that women are financially independent, they can afford to be by themselves. An increasing number of women are single and that percentage continues to increase. I think we are looking at a future where about 50% of women never marry or cohabitate with a man. It appears women are better at being single than men, on average. Women are choosier than men and there just aren’t enough h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 06:52 PM
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You’re almost right. But not quite. For Social Security to be solvent, the government could have never borrowed from it in the first place. Meaning, the government would have had to leave all the yearly Social Security surpluses alone for the last 60+ years. But the government didn’t do that. The government began borrowing from the yearly Social Security surpluses almost immediately in the 1940’s and really began to borrow from them with LBJ’s Great Society in the 1960’s. So those yearly Social …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 09:33 PM
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You might be right. I don’t see relations between the sexes improving anytime soon. But choosing between an economy of single mothers and an economy of dismal birthrates is a really crappy choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 09:14 PM
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Is a robot going to pay for your Social Security? No. You need young workers for that. And we aren’t going to have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:14 PM
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I agree. Based purely upon demographics, I think the future of Social Security is doomed. Social Security has needed reform for years but voters won’t hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:10 PM
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Your point is spot on. Income is only part of what creates a HVM. An important part to be sure, but it isn’t the only factor in creating a HVM. Looks matter an awful lot. 6’3” with a good jawline, muscles and low body fat will cover up a lot stupidity and lack of ambition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:36 PM
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They won’t be normal boys or girls. It’s not like fatherless girls are the epitome of well adjusted mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:15 PM
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Correct. Falling birthrates are an enormous future economic problem. For all of us. There won’t be enough future workers to pay for future old people (and the future old people is you and me). So unless you want to live a destitute life as an old person, or you want to work until the day you die, the birthrate needs to increase and soon. But single motherhood is NOT the way to do it. I may not know what the answer is, but I know what the answer isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:14 PM
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Which lines up with every other study on the subject performed since the advent of social media and dating apps. Almost everyone, men and women, are having less sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:40 PM
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Then let them dismiss. I’m trying to help folks understand societal trends so they can adjust their lives accordingly, but I’m totally indifferent as to whether people accept that help or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 05:00 PM
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Ah yes, the old Reddit “cite 14 triple peer reviewed studies or you’re lying” trope. Listen, I’m not making this stuff up. The facts and stats are all out there if you are interested and feel like learning. Read, listen to podcasts, and generally just pay attention to statistics on dating and mating trends. It doesn’t take a genius, you just have to be interested and observant.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 04:49 PM
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No, it isn’t one gender. It’s both. It’s human nature. Humans spent thousands of years building up monogamy. Civilizing the natural mating tendencies of both males and females. We’ve spent the last 50-60 years setting aside most of that civilizing. When you set aside the socially enforced monogamy that restrained the natural human mating habits, what we are left with are unrestrained natural mating habits. And our unrestrained natural mating habits are basically those of our primate cousins, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 04:45 PM
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I think you’ve explained why in the coming generations we are going to see less marriage, more childless women, and more serial monogamy. The reality is, the average male cannot meet the emotional needs of the average female for decades and decades. Men and women just aren’t emotionally compatible enough. Too emotionally different and these differences become quite stark as time passes. Women start becoming dissatisfied at about the 6 year range, on average. As marriage and children become less …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:23 PM
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I believe we are talking about two different things. I’m looking at trends and extrapolating those trends into the future and you are focused on a snapshot of how things are right now. The premise of this thread is “will marriage and monogamy only be for the elites in the future?” We aren’t talking about the mating market today, in 2023. So the question is how do we see mating in the next generation or two. It’s pretty clear which way the trends are going. Women are not becoming less promiscuous…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:03 PM
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Sure. I’m not arguing otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:55 PM
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https://www.brides.com/what-is-the-average-age-of-marriage-in-the-u-s-4685727 In 2018, only 29% of Americans aged 18-34 were married. So clearly, “most” women in America, at least, are not married at age 28. Maybe the stats are significantly different in Europe, but I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:21 PM
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This is accurate. We also see that almost all of these cohabitating arrangements fail and the couples split.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:15 PM
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I believe people fall in love, but I don’t believe people stay in love, particularly women. There is ample evidence to show that a significant percentage (maybe up to half) of women become dissatisfied in their marriage and relationships in the 6-8 year range. Even more women become dissatisfied in their relationships by year 20. True, some of that dissatisfaction will be because the man is unfaithful, addicted to drugs, or a bad person in some other way. But the overwhelming majority of those w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:14 PM
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I’m UMC as well and I agree most of us marry and stay married. The UMC divorce rate is pretty low and I think that’s in large part due to UMC women still feeling a little shame about divorce. Not pre-1960’s level shame, but still enough shame to prevent UMC women from filing for divorce in huge numbers. But as the number of high value men continues to decrease, the demand for them will increase. Will the dwindling number of high value men (most of whom will be UMC) continue to marry when the dem…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:47 PM
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Marriage is not a dead concept for the upper middle class, but marriage is all but dead for the poor and working class. What I’m curious to see is if marriage remains relevant to the UMC. Will male doctors, lawyers, top salesmen, etc. continue to get married at the high rates they do now? Hard to say. They certainly won’t need to marry to get sex, but will they continue to marry for other reasons? I believe UMC women will still want to marry as a status symbol. Having a husband will be like havi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 03:54 AM
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Wise words. Everyone should heed them. Control what you can control. Don’t bother with what you cannot control.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 03:33 PM
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As dads, it is vital we teach our sons how to be anxious and stressed at an airport. It’s the key to long lasting, successful relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 02:03 PM
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Stats say otherwise. Even a cursory Google search produces evidence that the average woman has more friends than the average man. This becomes even more true with age. Your personal, anecdotal experience might be different, but we aren’t talking about you and the people you know. We are discussing societal trends. And we are having an adult discussion. There is no need for personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 05:04 PM
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I do think you’re correct when you emphasize that rising sexlessness is a problem and we shouldn’t just laugh it off and assume it’s because all those sexless guys are incel losers. And even if all those sexless guys ARE incel losers, why do we have so many now compared to just 20-30 years ago? And why are their numbers rising? This is an issue because aimless young people are a problem for any society. At best, aimless young people are a drain on the economy. At worst, well, watch Fight Club fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 04:41 PM
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I think you nailed it. Anyone below upper middle class will not marry and form nuclear families. Even now, marriage rates among the working class have plummeted. This will increase income inequality to an even greater extent and no government program can prevent that. Roughly 70% of African American babies today are born to single mothers. Expect all races, especially whites and Hispanics, to reach that number. There will be less social mobility than ever before. Overall, I’m not terribly optimi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 04:32 PM
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Women tend to form friend groups much better than men do. Someone has probably studied why that’s the case and can explain it, but it’s definitely true. An older woman with a friend group of 4-10 other women will not need male companionship. This notion that old women become miserable “cat ladies” is largely based on past societal norms that no longer exist. I’m sure there are some older, single ladies without friends, but I’d wager that’s a small minority. A 40+ year old woman with a friend gro…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 01:38 PM
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I think you’re probably right about American men, in particular. I honestly don’t know about foreign men. But in America, the type of man that will get this is not the type of man that has many unwanted pregnancies anyway. Upper middle class males mate mostly with upper middle class females and very few unwanted pregnancies result from these relationships. Hakeem from Chicago, Jose from New Mexico, and Rusty from West Virginia won’t be doing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 02:33 PM
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Most women don’t want multiple men at a single time. The pattern that seems to be developing is that women want one man for a certain number of years, then a new man for a few years, and so on. The trend that seems to be developing is that women enjoy serial monogamy with bouts of single hood in between. And older women 60+ increasingly don’t want men at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:22 PM
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Young women are having less sex than they were in the 2000’s, 90’s and 80’s. But the decrease for young women is not as great as the decrease for young men. So it is not proportional.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 02:26 PM
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It isn’t proportional. But young women today are having less sex, even if the decrease isn’t as great as it is among young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 02:24 PM
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One need only look at the stats. The percentage of young men 18-30 who say they haven’t had sex in the past year has tripled since about 2010 and increases slightly every year. Marriage rates are decreasing steadily every year. And the number of unpaired men, overall, increases every year. Just about every stat you can think of points to the fact young men, and young women, are having less sex and forming fewer relationships than ever before. Are the majority of young men and women struggling li…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 12:20 PM
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Look at the way trends are moving since 2016. Men, of all races, are moving towards the GOP. Women, of all races, are moving towards the Democrats. You comment is largely correct, for now. But the trends are moving in the direction of gender as opposed to age or race. We shall see in 2024, but I expect this trend to continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 12:26 AM
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Prior to the pandemic, I thought all predictions about “societal collapse” were hysterical exaggerations not even worth considering. But the pandemic changed my viewpoint on a lot of things. Now? I’m not predicting societal collapse, but that outcome is now on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 08:30 PM
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Absolutely. Just include social media, in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 05:34 PM
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If you look at voting patterns and the ever increasing rates of single adults, I think one can come to the conclusion that the relationship between the genders is fracturing. Single men increasingly vote Republican and single women vote increasingly Democrat. That’s a significant data point. Also, fewer relationships are forming and the ones that are being formed are being formed later in life. Does this fracturing equate to a “Cold War”. I don’t know. But we are at least heading in that directi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 04:16 PM
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Fair enough. But that’s you. I have a suspicion that when push comes to shove, the vast majority of guys are going to say “nah, I’m not going to storm the IRS building or that military installation. I’d rather just play Call of Duty.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 03:30 PM
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We shall see if there is enough porn and video games to keep these unpaired men docile and satisfied. Porn and video games might just be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 03:16 PM
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History shows that eventually, those guarding the skyscrapers open the doors and allow the masses to massacre the elites. It may take a while, but it’ll happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 03:14 PM
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I think a woman starting a family at 45 is almost impossible. I think it’s even difficult at 35. Not impossible, but difficult. Many women 35 and older often struggle with infertility and require medical treatment to conceive. Media and culture highlights the women 35 and older that can conceive naturally as the norm. But is really is 50/50 at that age and the odds get worse every year. By 42-43, the odds of natural conception without fertility drugs or in vitro are really stacked against women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 03:13 PM
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I do think medical experts need to be more honest with women about egg freezing and fertility in general. I’d be willing to bet not one doctor gave this woman an honest assessment of her chances for success. We need to be honest with women and tell them that having biological children after 35 is difficult and will most likely be expensive. Instead, we have given them messages like the one expressed by the women in this post. That having children at 40 is going to be a breeze. It just isn’t true…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 01:12 AM
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I don’t know about sleeping around with multiple partners. Maybe. But she’s definitely getting a boyfriend. This type of arrangement almost guarantees infidelity, and that infidelity will come from the person who pushed for the arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 12:29 PM
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We actually are compelled to act on them. But don’t have to act on every compulsion. Humanity used to copulate like animals. We then spent thousands of years taking both male and female sexuality through religion, economics, and various other mechanisms we call “civilization”. For the last 60 years we have chucked aside most of that civilization and are once again beginning to copulate like animals. So yes, evolutionary psychology is once again useful because the way humans mate in 2022 is more …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:34 PM
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It isn’t just Russia. The Middle East, China, and to a lesser extent India all have cultures turning against “decadence”. Decadence being embodied by the LGBTQ community. You saw evidence of this at the World Cup. The pushback against the LGBTQ community by Qatari officials was framed as a pushback against Western cultural dominance. Such pushback used to be framed strictly in religious terms, i.e. Allah forbids homosexuality. Now, it seems the pushback is framed more along the lines of “the Wes…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:43 PM
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You ladies are super complicated creatures.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 11:15 PM
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I’ve read similar comments to yours up and down this thread. I honestly don’t understand. You felt instant chemistry with him and wanted to be near him. Be near him for what purpose? Just to look at him? Hear him speak? Do you think of these men as great leaders or father figures? Is that what you’re talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:31 PM
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Some people are risk takers. Some people aren’t. Either way is fine by me, I just want young people to understand the risks of modern marriage. I am Gen X and no one told us anything. We were still pressured to get married just like prior generations but we didn’t have the same stable societal structures in place. So no one told us the risks of getting married and having children. I think this is changing as the age of first marriage keeps increasing and marriage rates overall are decreasing. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 08:18 PM
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But isn’t that female pickiness THE KEY PIECE OF EVIDENCE that men desire sex more than women? Two people are hungry and a bowl of pickled beets (the worst food I can think of) is put before them. One person abstains from the beets because they are so gross and the other person devours the beets. Which person was hungrier? If women were as horny as men, their sexual standards would be as low as men’s. That clearly is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 06:13 PM
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One of the best things that can happen to a person is a wonderful marriage. One of the worst things that can happen to a person is a bad marriage. That unpredictability is the problem. There is no way to know whether you are entering into a bad marriage or a good one. If there was such a way, there would be no divorce because no one would willingly enter into a bad marriage. So marriage is perhaps the ultimate gamble you can make in life. The safest bet is always not to play. You won’t be as wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 06:05 PM
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A lot of men want to love a woman and live a stable, non chaotic life. We have things we want to accomplish. You see this in a good number of high status males. For example, a lot of pro athletes settle down with their college or high school sweethearts. Not all athletes do this, obviously, but a significant number do. It isn’t because they feel they can’t find another woman. It’s because they thrive on stability and that stability allows them to focus on their life goals. I’m a lawyer and I see…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 03:19 PM
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If you aren’t religious, I see no reason to marry. Legally, marriage is the stupidest contract ever devised for a host of reasons regularly discussed in this sub. So if you aren’t a person of faith, I honestly don’t know why you’re marrying. You could live the exact same life with your person without putting yourself in financial peril. The only reason to put yourself in that financial peril is that God’s (or Allah’s, Buddha’s, etc.) commandments and law’s mean something to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 03:05 PM
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With respect, I don’t think you’ve thought this through to it’s logical conclusion. If we eliminate every person who cannot survive on their own without medical care or without help from another person, we will be killing a lot of people who might otherwise recover and live healthy lives. For example, a baby needing its mother to survive for another couple weeks or months is no different than a person needing a kidney transplant or bone marrow transplant to survive. In both scenarios, one person…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 06:45 PM
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Enormous difference between birth control (IUD, conforms, birth control pills, etc.) and an actual successful conceived human being. Sperm and egg separately are nothing special. But would you agree there is a difference between separated sperm and egg and sperm+egg combined?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 04:56 PM
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I appreciate your honesty. At least now we can admit that abortion is nothing more than the elimination of inconvenient human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 04:04 PM
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So that clump of cells is special? If so, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 03:28 PM
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At least your honest about what abortion is. The ending of a human being. And most of the time, it’s the ending of a human being because that human being is inconvenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 03:20 PM
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But I don’t understand why there would be any kind of natural reaction to protect a useless clump of cells?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 03:15 PM
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If you are pro-choice, an abortion should be no more traumatic than getting a mole removed from you back. Not even as difficult as an appendectomy. After all, it’s just removing a clump of useless cells.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:10 PM
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Poor fella has really low self esteem. He cannot conceive that you see him as a potential romantic interest. Not your fault. He’s been conditioned by 1000 other factors in his life to feel that way about himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 01:26 PM
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I think WGTOW is an understudied phenomenon. I have a feeling it’s happening more and more without the culture really discussing it much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 05:06 PM
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Then she should abort the baby or put it up for adoption. No one will force her to raise a baby she doesn’t want. She has those two viable choices. Men have literally no choice. It takes two people to make a baby yet only the mother has the choice of whether she wants to be a parent or not. The father should have that same choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 11:25 AM
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The law allows women to unilaterally abort. Therefore the law does not require women to pay for babies they do not want. If the woman Carrie’s the baby to term, the obvious assumption is that she wants the baby. Men have no such option. Men don’t have the choice to abort an unwanted baby. In such a situation, men are at the mercy of women. No other area of law allows such an imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 11:18 AM
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Welfare is already a thing. A vast number of women receiving child support are already receiving various state and federal welfare benefits. And allowing men to avoid child support would change female behavior to such an extent that that number of unplanned and unwanted pregnancies would decrease dramatically. There is a reason a lot fewer women had unplanned pregnancies pre-1960’s changes in child support laws. If they know they will be left totally on their own with the baby, women won’t allow…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 12:34 AM
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Pregnancy is not a unilateral decision. Carrying a pregnancy to full term, however, is a unilateral decision under current law. That needs to change. The law doesn’t force women to pay for children they don’t want. The law does force men to pay for children they do not want. That is fundamentally unfair and should change.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 11:38 PM
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My friend, there are people out there for you. People will love you. Every single person has value. I’m not a person with a huge amount of self-esteem. Reaching out to others doesn’t come natural to me. But I do it. If I can reach out to people, so can you. Building a life takes time. You didn’t fall into this rut in a day and you won’t get out of it in a day. Pick an interest and then find a club or group of people that shares that interest. Doesn’t matter what it is. But you have to start. Peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 11:29 PM
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I agree. I think kicking these guys when they are down is gross. These guys are bitter and that causes some of them to say some nasty things. But it’s only because they are so hurt and wounded. I think men would be better served if they developed friendships and friend groups again. My point is that men today have a choice. It isn’t a fair choice, but here we are. For 1000 different reasons, a huge percentage of men in advanced countries are not going to form long lasting relationships with wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:13 PM
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Correct. Men today need to be brutally with themselves. An ever increasing percentage of men are not going to find female companionship. Just a fact. And there is almost nothing they can do about it. Whining and complaining won’t solve anything. Being bitter towards women won’t solve anything. It may not be fair but it is what it is. So what are these men supposed to do? Just give up and kill themselves? Of course not. They need to find a purpose and hobbies to make them fulfilled. To replace th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 04:47 PM
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MGTOW could be an effective lifestyle for a lot of men if they would actually GTOW. But you’re right, they don’t. Instead of coming together to find ways to fill the void that exists within them because they don’t have women, they choose to just be bitter about women. That group doesn’t have to be bitter towards women, but so far, it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 04:32 PM
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This is accurate. You can increase her interest marginally, but if her initial reaction is true indifference (not just playing hard to get) nothing you say is going to sway her. Just move along and leave her alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:47 AM
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Do we know the numbers for more relationship oriented apps such as eHarmony or Match? I’m not surprised the hookup apps are male dominated, but stats suggest many relationships today begin on apps, so other apps must be utilized.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 06:00 PM
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It seems whenever the subject of single parent households is discussed, all anyone wants to do is assign blame to either men or women. As if it’s entirely women’s fault or entirely men’s fault that the nuclear family is basically destroyed among the poor and working classes. When it comes to the disintegration of the nuclear family, there is plenty of blame for both men and women. But assigning blame doesn’t solve the problem. We need to change our culture and our laws to discourage and disincen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:34 AM
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I don’t think a military life is conducive to modern relationships. For a variety of reasons too complicated to discuss on Reddit, modern romantic relationships cannot withstand the military lifestyle. But few things will shape a lazy, timid, unmotivated young man into a more masculine, productive member of society better than military service. The military is great for molding 18-20 year old guys who lack direction. I agree the military probably isn’t the best place for a 28-30 year old guy wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 06:41 PM
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That’s a decent point. We should probably fix the problems in the military that have lead to that perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 06:31 PM
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Many young men would benefit from military service. The structure and discipline that used to be provided by family and community no longer exists for the majority of males. There is nothing to harness the energy and aggression a young man feels or to give them purpose. So, young men turn to vices such as drugs, porn, and video games to numb themselves. The military environment provides discipline, purpose, camaraderie, and an outlet for aggression. There is no one, single solution to this probl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 04:35 PM
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I agree that the reasons for the great resignation are not the same reasons why many young men are walking away from dating. After all, women are participating in the great resignation, too. But the reactions to both events are very similar. Both employers looking for workers and women looking for mates have the same attitude of “how dare you not want me!” But the reasons behind each phenomena are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 02:23 PM
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This comment should be a PhD thesis paper. I never thought to equate “porn sick” men with “TikTok sick” women, but I think you are on to something.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 05:27 PM
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Porn is to sex what James Bond is to real life espionage. Or what Miami Vice is to real life police work. Exaggerated, glamorized, unrealistic versions of the real thing. If a man believes real sex should be like porn, he’s going to be extremely disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 05:25 PM
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We have to be careful not to get bogged down in the minuscule stats and focus on the main issue. It is an undeniable fact that young men, in significant and ever increasing numbers, are failing to form healthy relationships with women. Relationships between the genders are breaking down. The first step in fixing a problem is acknowledging it exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 05:08 PM
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The chart begins at 1 sex partner and continues to 15+ partners. There is no category for zero sex partners, i.e. virgins. Yet, the numbers add up to 100%. So according to this chart, between 2015-2019, there were no male virgins between the ages of 25 and 49. That doesn’t seem possible. So I do question the accuracy of the study a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 01:27 PM
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Not a majority, but a significant minority are. 1/3 of men under 30 are virgins and the rates of sexlessness are increasing, i.e. getting worse. There are a multiple reasons for this. Ignoring and downplaying the problem is one such reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 12:30 PM
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What happens if you refuse to attend the mandatory town gathering? Criminal penalties?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 01:53 PM
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What’s he supposed to do? Pine after her while she continues to reject him romantically. She has every right to reject him, and he has every right to respond by removing her from his life completely. In fact, it’s probably healthier for them both if he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 04:18 PM
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It’s the support network that helps older women so much. Older women are rarely lonely due to a significant circle of friends. So if they have already raised a family, what is there reason for finding a man in their older years? Despite what Sex in the City would have you believe, 55 year old women aren’t yearning for sex. At least not often enough to risk a relationship with a new man. So, women of a certain age are perfectly content with their children, grandchildren and friends. Older, single…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 03:20 PM
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You won’t see the 30-40% of people struggling to find companionship. They are not in public. They are at home. I agree there are steps one can take to improve the odds of finding a long term companion. But dismissing this problem because you see happy couples at a wedding or a restaurant isn’t showing compassion. About 1/3 of Gen Z is not going to have reliable, long term companionship in their adulthood. We shouldn’t just dismiss those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:44 PM
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They are vastly different. And both ages are struggling with the opposite sex in significant numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:38 PM
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1/3 of men 18-30 are not having sex. For the first time in history, more than 50% of women at age 30 are unmarried. These are not small segments of the population. I’m Gen X and in a healthy long-term relationship. However, I have young adult children and the odds of them experiencing such a relationship are significantly lower than prior generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:21 PM
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There is more tension between the genders now than ever before. It cannot be denied that relations between men and women grow more dysfunctional by the day. And OP is correct that it won’t be fixed. Not anytime soon, at least. The rates of unmarried, unpaired single has increased dramatically and that trend will continue. Where does it end? Will half the population be unpaired? 40%? Hard to say. But it will be much higher than in the past when only 5-10% of men and women went through adulthood w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:15 PM
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You actually make the most important point. In blue states like CA, this decision has absolutely no impact upon your life, man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 07:00 PM
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Humans spent literally thousands of years building social structures to curb and contain our natural, animal mating instincts. So that we didn’t become Idiocracy. We’ve dismantled a lot of that social structure over the course the last 60 years and we continue to dismantle more and more of it every year. We are returning to caveman/pre-civilization mating rituals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 11:53 AM
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Under that definition, dead bedrooms are a significant percentage of marriages. Probably half, if not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 02:22 AM
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Depends on how we are defining “dead bedroom”. Is sex once a month a “dead bedroom”? Or is it no sex for an really extended period of time, e.g. a year?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:58 PM
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This is as accurate a post as I’ve seen in this sub. The economic changes are a huge reason why relations between the sexes are doomed. The decline in religion is the other major reason. I’m pessimistic about the future because I don’t think relations between the sexes will improve. They will continue to degenerate and longterm monogamous coupling will become more and more rare. The social and political consequences of a majority single society will be dire but I don’t see a way to reverse these…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 12:50 PM
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I think the idea exists because men have more control over our physiques than we do our faces. You’re always limited by genetics, but you have far more control over your body than you do your face and hairline. Getting fit can help you a little from the neck up, but no amount of diet and exercise will make your face more symmetrical, turn your jawline into Chris Hemsworth’s, or give you Harry Styles’ hair. But you can improve yourself from the neck down pretty significantly if you work hard and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 04:22 PM
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There has never been a better time in human history to be a good looking, charismatic male. Those guys have always had it pretty good but never as good as they have it today. They literally hold a device in their hands that gives them sex partners at a moment’s notice at the touch of a few buttons. Alternatively, there has never been a worse time to be an average looking, introverted man. It takes a borderline miracle for an average looking, male introvert to find a mate these days. A host of fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 06:26 PM
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Men who remain married do live longer, earn more money and report greater overall life satisfaction. The problem is, you don’t know if you’re going to be a man that remains married. It’s a bit of a crapshoot. There is no shame in not wanting to take that risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 07:33 PM
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MGTOW is the safer life choice. I don’t think you can ever be as happy MGTOW as you could in a loving marriage, but marriage comes with gigantic risk. It’s like being on a game show. Are you happy with the prizes you’ve already won (MGTOW) or do you want to risk it all for a chance at the super duper grand prize (marriage)? Maybe you lose everything or maybe your life turns out better than it ever could have alone. There is no right or wrong answer, each man must make that choice for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 07:28 PM
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Prenups cannot cover child support. That is because child support belongs to the child, not to the parents. Is that reality? Of course not, but it is the legal reasoning used to exclude child support from any prenuptial agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 07:20 PM
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Don’t disagree. None of the men we are talking about can’t afford it. But mostly, I was pointing out that America is great for everyone and some people need to embrace the idea of leaving for better pastures.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:21 PM
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Another action men can take, if they are American, is to move to another country. I think it is becoming clear America has too many men. We can’t employ them all, not well at least, and they can’t find mates because American women find them unacceptable for a host of reasons we’ve discussed here ad nauseam. Poor job and mating prospects are as good a reason to leave as I can think of. What are these men staying in America for? The awesome healthcare and low crime rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 12:23 PM
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Correct. This isn’t complicated. The West has stripped thousands of years of civilization out of dating and mating. Which means we’ve reverted back to the mating rituals of our primate ancestors. The highest value man wins. Now, we are still civilized in many other respects, i.e. we don’t go around raping and pillaging each other as in pre-historical times. This means what constitutes a higher value male is different than if we were still hunter/gatherers. Fame, celebrity and wealth have replace…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 03:15 PM
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Politics has replaced organized religion for most of the population. So a conservative Republican dating a progressive Democrat are going to have massive problems much the way a Catholic dating a Jew had pre-1970. In all likelihood, in 2022, a serious relationship or marriage between a devout Republican and a devout Democrat is doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 12:08 PM
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Monogamy and the nuclear family are the building blocks of civilization. It isn’t by accident that the successful societies of Europe and Asia were monogamous. Sure, the Chinese emperor may have multiple wives, but the everyday citizens were monogamous. Same with the Greeks and Romans in Europe. Because monogamy is the best way to advance civilization. The animalistic free for all we are engaging in now is how you destroy civilization. It’ll take a while to destroy all the progress our ancestors…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 10:58 PM
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My point is that many of these young men are not going to be able to improve their station in life if they stay in America. If you aren’t a STEM guy, Gen Z economic prospects are pretty limited. So why not change your circumstances in a new place? It isn’t the answer for every average Gen Z male just as emigration wasn’t the answer for every average German, Irish, Italian, etc. guy 120 years ago. But emigration is the answer for a lot of these guys. Emigrate to where? That answer will be differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 01:57 AM
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America has a surplus of young, semi-skilled and low skilled men. These men have limited prospects for happiness if they stay in America. It may not be fair, but it is what it is. Complaining about it won’t change the situation. If these men want a better chance at a fulfilling, happy life, then emigrating to a different country is their best chance. Emigration is a new concept for Americans to comprehend, but these young men need to understand their circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 02:44 PM
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Honestly, it is time for young American men to start emigrating to other countries in search of better romantic and economic prospects. For too many Gen Z men, staying in America will simply lead to a menial job, loneliness, and poor economic outcome. Hoping the current culture and economic climate will change is a fool’s errand. Such changes will take years and if they occur at all won’t be in place until Gen Z men are well into middle age. Emigrating to another country and building a life ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 12:55 PM
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Agreed. I’m not for mandatory DNA testing. If the assumed father wants DNA tests on himself and the baby, that’s fine. But we shouldn’t be handing over those results to the government. There is no reason for the government to have DNA samples of citizens who have committed no crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 01:05 PM
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Parents and guardians are allowed to voluntarily waive an infant’s rights if they so choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 04:29 AM
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4th Amendment. If the government wants my DNA, they can get a search warrant or follow me around and pick up my trash. I’m not giving the government my DNA voluntarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 04:23 AM
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Agreed. Bitterness is like swallowing poison yourself hoping it will hurt someone else. A reasonable healing period of up to a year is healthy, after that, you need to move on and get busy living again. You aren’t “winning” or helping yourself in any way by holding on to resentment and anger. Ex’s deserve indifference, nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 07:10 PM
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Instead of looking for a husband, she ought to be looking for a comma, semicolon, or period. Any form of punctuation, really. Learn how to write a coherent sentence or two. Then find a man to ruin his life.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/02/22 05:08 PM
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This 1000%. And who passed the laws that allowed today’s feminists? Who passed the laws and filed the lawsuits that overturned literally thousands of years of laws that governed male-female relationships? Uber-Chads like Nelson Rockefeller and Lee Marvin. They didn’t care about the societal consequences. They just wanted theirs. The liberalization of sexual relations such that the top 20% of men no longer need marriage for sex has devastated Western Civilization.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/01/22 07:24 AM
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I was kidding, dude. Calling someone a pervert for the perfectly normal things he listed is clearly humorous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:42 PM
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Pervert.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:50 PM
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Seriously, WTF?! That was one crazy read.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/01/22 02:54 AM
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Cynicism is an enormous problem in American culture today. We simply don’t trust each other like we used to. This cynicism and mistrust has infected dating as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 02:37 AM
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Some 52 year old hedge fund manager will make her his 2nd wife. But anyone who wife’s her up is a fool. She will get bored within five years and then half your shit will be gone.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/01/22 03:41 AM
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This reads like one of those old-timey newspaper classified ads from pioneer times. Men, mostly, would literally advertise that their wife had just died and they needed a new wife to help raise the children and work the farm. Women did it to in a very similar manner to the woman in this post. I wouldn’t contact her in a million years, but if this were 1870’s Nebraska, this advertisement would not be out of place.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/01/22 10:16 PM
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Economic need has to be a part of it. Always has been. Men and women are naturally compatible so there must be an element of need and dependency.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 11:16 PM
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100%. For a myriad of reasons, Christianity has plummeted among Millennials and Gen Z. But humans are tribal and must have a group to belong and a belief system to believe in. Lots of young people, especially young women, traded in the church for the Democrat Party. Lots of young men traded the church for Donald Trump. I don’t think America will benefit from those trades.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 02:40 PM
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I do enjoy a good Song of Ice and Fire reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 02:29 PM
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I met my fiancé at the gym. Basically, a hobby. She has a unique tattoo on her forearm so I asked her about it. We talked for a minute and that was it. Saw her about a week later and we continued our previous conversation. We seemed to banter well, so I asked her out. We were off and running from there and we’ve had 5 truly wonderful years. She’s either deeply in love with me or she’s the greatest actress of all time. I’m not conventionally attractive. I’m a shade under six feet and weigh about …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 06:14 PM
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Eventually, I did meet someone special. But it was several years later and I was already back on track.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 10:07 AM
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Patience and determination. And Jesus. This won’t be popular, but it’s true. Put one foot in front of the other every day. Don’t worry about the big issues. Just get through each individual day. Physical exercise helps as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:57 PM
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Don’t wish for death. You never know what tomorrow may bring. Or the next day. Or the next. I guarantee you someone loves you. Mom, siblings, friend, etc. you mean something to somebody. Hell, I’m just a stranger on Reddit and I want you to live and be happy. I know things look bleak now but they do get better. In 2009, my wife left me, my grandmother (like a mother to me) died of cancer, my best friends moved away, and my entire family fell apart and stopped speaking to one another. All in just…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 02:30 AM
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Believe it or not, there was a time when politics and one’s political views were not all-consuming like they are today. As religious fervor has declined, political fervor has intensified. So in the past, it was difficult for Catholics and Protestants to be married. Not unheard of, but difficult. And they didn’t cross marry very often. Now days, religion has been replaced by politics so Democrats and Republicans will intermarry less and less. So depending on how old your parents are, them interma…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 11:13 AM
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Masculine face is probably it. I don’t like masculine characteristics on a woman at all. I don’t like abs on a woman, for example. Good for her for showing the dedication to get abs and muscles because it’s difficult to do so. But it’s not for me. I like some thickness on my woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 11:49 AM
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This new trend of large drawn eyebrows is weird. Really grosses me out for some reason. I literally have a hard time looking at a woman with two large painted rectangles above their eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 11:39 AM
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His genes also play a huge part in his appearance. Nutrition and exercise can’t make me look like Chris Evans.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 06:49 PM
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Yes. That’s exactly my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 06:48 PM
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“won the lottery” is the key phrase. A 20-year-old woman pre-1960 (approximately) would have been excited if the 35 year old bachelor lawyer in her town wanted to marry her. But not because she felt physical lust for him. She would want him for his financial resources because that would lead to status. Young women in 2021 are as much into status as ever, it’s just that what provides status has changed somewhat. A young super-chad for a boyfriend now provides as much, if not more, status as a ric…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 02:34 PM
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Hollywood actors are also genetically better looking than the rest of us. Chris Evans is 40 but still has the kind of youthful face and athletic build young women in their 20’s desire. Yes, he has all kinds of help from trainers, dieticians, and doctors, but you could give me that same help and I still wouldn’t look las good as Chris Evans.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 11:06 AM
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Older men - younger women does have historical precedent before the Sexual Revolution. But those relationships were purely for economic reasons. An attractive young woman in the 19th Century would marry a much older man but that was so she could secure his resources and protection. Not because she lusted for him on a visceral, biological level. I mean, I guess young women lust after Hollywood actors who are older, but that is the rare exception, not the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 03:07 PM
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Agreed. I’m a mid-40’s male who earns a nice living. I lift weights regularly and am muscular, though I have the mid-40’s belly. The idea that my daughter and her college friends find men my age attractive is laughable. And I’m fine with that. They should be dating men in their 20’s. Woody Allen movies aren’t real.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 01:20 PM
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If this were true, i.e. dad pays so taxpayers don’t have to, then child support would not be based on the dad’s income. Child support would simply be a standard amount sufficient to put the child just above the poverty line such that the child wouldn’t qualify for government assistance. And not a penny more. Child support isn’t calculated that way. Instead, it is a percentage of dad’s income. Child support is nothing more than a program to transfer wealth from men to women, which is exactly what…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 01:14 PM
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If you don’t treat them perfectly every second of every day, you’re abusive.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/10/21 12:57 PM
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You don’t have to be an expert in criminal statistics to know that many women are murdered every year. And the most common perpetrator is the husband/boyfriend. The psychopaths like Ted Bundy make the news, but are actually extremely rare. Brian Laundrie’s are far more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 12:46 PM
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The stats are pretty clear. Porn is bad for relationships. Sure, someone will comment a say they and their SO watch porn together all the time and it helps them. But that’s a small minority of cases. The majority of the time, porn is a relationship killer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 12:43 PM
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She’s an unmitigated disaster. Even by modern standards.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/09/21 04:38 AM
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You’re largely correct. But men won’t be choosing between real human females and AI. For these men, human women aren’t an option because women don’t want them. So they won’t be choosing AI over women. They will be choosing AI over loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 02:59 AM
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In the near future the bottom 50% or so of men will fulfill their needs with some combination of AI, VR, and legalized prostitution. Having a relationship with an actual human female will be a luxury item out of reach for a large number of men. Having a girlfriend or wife in the near future will be a status symbol akin to a Rolex, Mercedes, or expensive house.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 02:50 AM
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Hurray for equality, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:48 AM
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I mean, atheists don’t have to do those evil things, but history shows they often do. Mao, Stalin and Hitler come to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 08:41 PM
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Because most men aren’t religious either. Lots of dudes on Reddit would like women to exhibit traditional Christian values but have no interest in being followers of Christ themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 03:53 PM
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“getting into the top 20% is not that hard”. For 80%, it literally is that hard. I’m all for self improvement. We should all maximize the gifts and talents God gave us. But most guys will not be good looking in an online dating sense no matter many weights they lift or how much salmon they eat. Online dating negates 90% of the ways in which men can attract women. OLD removes charm, wit, confidence, etc. from the equation and replaces them with a picture and a list of basic stats. That’s a sucker…
/r/TheRedPill05/04/21 06:27 PM
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We are finding that there is a tremendous difference between dating without apps and dating with apps. Dating without apps is more nebulous. Women find all kinds of things attractive, IN PERSON. But on apps we know what women find attractive because we have incontrovertible data. And height is a big (no pun intended) factor. So, if you are a man and not near the top 20% of men in physical appearance, you will struggle on dating apps because your other qualities such as wit, erudition, charm, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 02:59 PM
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With the advent of the internet, the rise of online dating and the rise in female economic independence over the last two generations, we are seeing that the 80/20 rule is basically true. It’s probably not an exact 80/20 split, but the concept is true. Women are only attracted to a minority of men. I don’t think male attractiveness is 100% God given physical looks but that is the biggest component of it. There really isn’t a solution for these unattractive men because we can’t force women to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 07:21 PM
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I actually confused the word “boondoggle” and the word “boon”. Simply mixed them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 12:57 AM
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My bad. Boondoggle is not the right word. I should have used “godsend”. I used the wrong word. 100% my fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 12:52 AM
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The Sexual Revolution has been a boondoggle for good looking, charismatic guys. As well as for the group of women for whom marriage and children are not a priority. However, for the average man and for women who want marriage and children, the Sexual Revolution has been a negative. The Sexual Revolution also destroyed the traditional family and the breakdown of the traditional family has lead to scores of societal problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 09:18 PM
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Men won’t choose to seek prostitutes, rather, most men will realize they don’t have any choice at all. Your point is correct, men won’t choose prostitutes over a loving, committed woman who satisfies their physical and emotional needs. But we are moving towards a society where large numbers of men won’t be able to FIND a woman who satisfies their needs. For a host of reasons, women are rejecting a larger percentage of men. This trend will continue to grow. This will leave a huge number of men wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 09:08 PM
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I waited until my kids were older for this very reason. My ex-wife ended our marriage when they children were still pretty small. So I waited the better part of a decade to begin dating again. I think my current girlfriend is very appreciative of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 02:25 PM
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Agreed. Too many single people will lead to nothing but ruin and chaos. Single women still want to be cared for despite their rhetoric about independence and they will vote themselves unrealistic government benefits that no government could ever hope to pay for. Too many single men will lead to general violence and mayhem from both ends of the political spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 04:46 PM
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“No signs of psychological abuse.” You mean, besides dating a girl with an Only Fans account?
/r/TheRedPill20/12/20 06:02 AM
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The destruction of the American family, nuclear and extended, is the cause of almost every social ill we are experiencing. Vonnegut is completely right. Americans are plagued by bitterness and cynicism and a distrust of almost everyone they meet. A large extended family would ease this for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 05:08 PM
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It really isn’t anymore complicated than this. Men served women biologically in three ways. Protect women from marauders, make sure women don’t starve to death, and sire children. Well, civilization has solved problems 1 and 2, and these women do not yet care about number three. My guess is many of these women will care about having children in ten years, but they clearly don’t right now. So, men don’t serve much purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 01:43 PM
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I suspect Betty will be with Claude until her self-esteem sufficiently recovers. She comes from a solid family foundation so Betty knows what it is like to have healthy self-esteem and she simply tired of the pain Aaron continuously caused. Girls from solid homes like Betty want stability, and Aaron couldn’t provide that. So he’s out, no matter how attractive he is. But while stability is important, it isn’t enough by itself. So unless Claude improves himself, Betty will fairly soon let him go i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 01:01 PM
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I have two daughters and a son. I’m far more concerned for him. My perfectly normal teen girls have laws and societal trends in their favor. My perfectly normal teen boy has a myriad of obstacles if he ever wants to find a life partner. I tell them all to be careful because choosing the wrong life partner can derail your life more than anything else besides a severe health condition. But I tell him to be EXTREMELY careful because as a male in 2019 America, his life can be derailed much more easi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 06:01 PM
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“I desire to be in control of someone financially.” I’ve never read a more chilling sentence. I don’t fear much. I do fear someone else having control of my finances.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/10/19 08:04 PM
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“Parent”. As in Mom. Trust me, this woman never knew her father.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/10/19 06:18 PM
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“How on earth is supporting your child any more financial ruin for him then it is for her?” Because most people cannot support two households which is exactly what child support mandates. If you make enough to support two separate households child support won’t break you. But if you’re a guy making $40,000 a year and you have to pay $12,000 in child support, on top of your taxes (state, local and federal) it doesn’t leave much left over.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 10:40 PM
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I’m a simple man, I see criticism of Baby Boomers and I upvote. They are the most insidious group of people in American history.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 10:34 PM
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Yep, that’s about right. It may not be ideal but it is the hand we’ve been dealt. We don’t control the times into which we are born. Some people were born during the Black Death when half the population died and some people were born during 1st century Rome when happiness came pretty easy. We were born in the generations after the Sexual Revolution, for better or worse. Can’t change it so deal with it the best you can. Best of luck to you, out there. Stay safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 02:04 PM
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No, you don’t have to be a jacked up neurosurgeon making $500k a year. You can just be a dude with average sex appeal and average income. Nothing wrong with that. Just don’t expect to live happily ever after with a caring wife the way our grandfathers did. I just want guys to understand the new rules. I didn’t make these new rules and I feel they are destructive for society, but here we are. In 2019 America, Archie Bunker ain’t getting married and having a family. Not happening. He’s either stay…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 01:55 PM
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Does Japan have a lot of single mothers? Because we have a lot of single mothers, and are going to have even more in the coming decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 07:46 PM
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The number of men seen as marriage material will continue to plummet. Marriage among the lower and middle classes will continue to plummet. Marriage will become largely an upper class institution as women and men with good earning potential meet at elite colleges and grad schools and pair off. Income inequality will continue to widen as a result of phenomenon irregardless if what any government action taken. Physically attractive males in the lower classes will develop soft harems and father lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 06:41 PM
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On the contrary, I believe single parent families proliferated because we took the onus off of women to prevent them. That worked quite well for a long time. Again, don’t allow perfect to be the enemy of the good. Nothing we do will work perfectly, we need to do what works well. I would curtail welfare benefits to, and more aggressively take custody away from, single parents. If the standard is “best interest of the child,” then we need to live up to that standard. We know from every piece of so…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 03:13 PM
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Your point about men is spot on. 50+ years of modern child support laws proves to us that men simply cannot bear the burden of preventing single parent families. Prior to the 1960’s the onus on preventing single parent families was placed on women and it worked fairly well. Not perfectly, but pretty well. I want to once again put that onus back on women because almost all of today’s societal ills can be traced back to the destruction of the family unit beginning in the 1960’s. This isn’t a relig…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 02:45 PM
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Maybe Chappelle’s point was to equate financial abandonment to abortion, but that isn’t my point. I want to prevent single parenthood because evidence is overwhelming that kids of single parents don’t thrive, on the average. If men can financially abandon a child, and women know this ahead of time, women will be more careful with whom they breed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 02:31 PM
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That does happen, but the rates of unwanted pregnancies for UMC girls is also dramatically smaller than for working class girls. My children attend a fairly affluent high school and my eldest daughter attends an expensive private college. These girls are not having rampant abortions. They just aren’t getting pregnant. That’s anecdotal, but the statistics also bear it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 02:21 PM
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Respectfully disagree. UMC women have very small rates of unwanted pregnancies because the subculture in which they live looks down on it so prevalently. If Hollywood celebrities come out against single parenthood half as strongly as they berate Trump, it would have an enormous impact. Culture matters. Most people don’t go against their culture. We will never eliminate single parenthood completely, but we cannot survive a 50% illegitimacy rate. You want to erase income inequality, eliminate as m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 12:52 PM
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Our current system isn’t working. So it should be changed. If women know men have the option to financially abandon them, many women will be far more careful with whom they breed. Not all women will be more careful, but many will. And it won’t take long for society to get tired of paying for babies and begin to change the culture. 100 years ago unwanted pregnancies were rare and that was even without the pill. Why? Culture and peer pressure made people more careful. The same thing would happen a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 12:25 PM
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I agree that the man should have a time limit in which to make this decision, but it can’t be before the third trimester. In many cases, we don’t know who the father is until the baby is actually born. The man should have the right to financially abandon the child within a certain amount of time after he knows, or should have known, the child is his. 120 days, six months, something like that. But the man must have ample time after it’s proven he’s the father to make this important decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 12:18 PM
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I lived by myself for years before my girlfriend moved in with me. I always kept a respectable house. Before she moved in we discussed chores and her that I do chores according to my timeline, not hers. I perfectly well see that the trash needs taken out. And I will do so in an hour when this football game is over. If she feels that the trash must be taken out right this very second for some reason, she can do so herself. Most women don’t want men to do chores. They want men to do chores RIGHT F…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 11:33 AM
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She just sounds way too difficult. And not fun. I’m not looking to be challenged 24/7. I kind of just want to grill a steak and watch baseball, if that’s ok.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/08/19 05:14 PM
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Euro boomers get a little bit of a pass for this reason. Though we Americans rebuilt a lot of Western Europe for them. Well worth it to fight communism, but it was still our money that we essentially donated. American boomers even managed to piss away the advantage of being one of the two industrial powers remaining (Britain is the other).
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/19 03:28 AM
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As a generation, American Boomers deserve every ounce of hate we can give them. They were given paradise on a silver platter. And look what they did to it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/19 12:00 AM
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Relationships start in school, yes. But after college or grad school graduation it’s all online dating. Virtually no one is meeting in real life anymore after college or grad school. So if you’re a guy that’s completely out of school and unattached, good luck. You’re going to need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/19 11:23 PM
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One of the great problems today is that a HUGE percentage of boys don’t have fathers. There are a myriad complicated reasons for this but it is a fact. Point being, a lot of moms must provide advice to their sons on this topic. It’s best if those moms are honest with their sons instead of providing BS advice like “be yourself,” or “be kind”.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 11:09 AM
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“Would you be asking these questions if I said "I garden and sell exotic seedlings and fruits"? Would you quiz me about how much money I make on plants?” Absolutely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 08:08 PM
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“I setup gangbangs and events” Is this your job? Do you work for a company that scheduled gang bangs and “events”? Are there so many gang bangs happening that there are companies that schedule them? And what are these “events”? Does your company also schedule birthday parties, anniversary parties and bar mitzvahs? I need answers u/happycheese86.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 04:58 PM
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Due to concerns over sexual harassment, I wouldn’t flirt with a woman at my office at gunpoint. I’m professional and cordial, but keep all women at arm’s length. I’ll engage in some pop culture talk, but nothing personal at all. And I don’t swear in front of women at the office either. Not out of chivalry, I just don’t want to take a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 04:48 PM
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This is correct. My girlfriend is not interested in much of my hobbies, pop culture, etc. I know she doesn’t really want to discuss what would have happened if Britain and America allowed Germany and the Soviet Union to fight to the death in WWII instead of helping the Russians. But that’s what I’m thinking about. So I say “nothing,” or “work stuff” when she asks me what I’m thinking about during our THIRD STRAIGHT FREAKING EPISODE of Caribbean Life. I mean, St. Thomas looks delightful, but I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 12:41 PM
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Guys, just be extremely charismatic, good looking and dynamic every second of your life. Is that really too much to ask?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/07/19 09:07 PM
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My Heavens, I certainly wouldn’t conscript them. I don’t want anyone forced into the military against their will. Good point about those stats. I was just thinking about ways to make these guys mentally tougher. Because that’s what they need, mental and emotional toughness. Today’s circumstances are what they are. They can complain about hypergamy and feminism until the cows come home and it won’t help them. No one is going to help them. They have to help themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 01:22 PM
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True, some guys just can’t be helped for whatever reason. Not wired right in the head. But most of these guys are fatherless and have never had any male role models of any sort. No one has ever taught them to be men or given them a purpose. I think four years or so serving their country, giving them a purpose, could improve most of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 12:57 PM
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I never served a day so I’ll 100% defer to those who have on this matter. But my theory is this: these young, feckless, incels with no self-esteem would benefit from a stint in the military. I think the discipline and increased confidence one gets from military service would benefit these guys greatly. Hopefully, they’d also form some better, healthier friendships as well. Friendships with more normal dudes would also help these guys. I just can’t believe all of these guys would be Private Pyle …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 12:31 PM
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I don’t think any jurisdiction in America mandates this. But Europe and Canada have some weird family laws.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/07/19 08:53 PM
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There was recently a case in Maryland where parents got investigated because they practice “free range” parenting and allowed their children to walk to and from a park on their own. They “won” the investigation but who knows what would have happened with a different CPS case worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 07:33 PM
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Where is the dystopian Hell so I know never to step one foot in it?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/07/19 11:13 PM
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I also can’t stand the people that what citations on the spot for any point you make. You can argue that men, on average, have greater upper body strength and there is always that person that demands you to cite peer reviewed research right on the spot. Those people are exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 08:12 PM
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Then your household was in the minority. It might have seemed like everyone went to church because that was your circle/bubble growing up. But the stats show that church attendance in America has been in steep decline for decades. When polled about it, lots of people say they are Christian but never attend church, read the Bible, or have Christianity affect their lives in any way. This is the opposite of pre-1960 America when Christianity dominated pop culture, academia, judicial decisions, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 11:27 AM
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And look how reviled that bill is. Frankly, if America were as religious as you’re afraid it is, a heartbeat bill wouldn’t even be necessary. A religious nation would not abort babies. Also, look at the dominant culture. You honestly believe Hollywood, the media, academia, the judiciary or big tech is pro-Christian? If you do then we have nothing left to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 07:10 PM
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If men plan on having kids with college educated, professional women without marrying them, they are in for a rude awakening. That isn’t a viable plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 06:34 PM
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We might be talking about slightly different things. I 100% agree that college educated, middle class women absolutely expect marriage before children. But that’s not all women. My point was that almost 50% of all children are born out of wedlock. So obviously, lots of women don’t expect marriage before children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:50 PM
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I have. It was a sizable number of people, but still a very small part of the overall population. And the evangelical movement had some influence over politics, but not a lot. Democrats still controlled Congress in the 80’s and Bill Clinton won two terms in the 90’s. Evangelicals had absolutely no impact whatsoever on pop culture. Christianity hasn’t been the dominant force is American life for decades. I don’t even think this is debatable, to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:48 PM
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Religion is not the only reason for having babies in wedlock. Liberal, upper class America in 2019 is not religious at all and yet their rates of illegitimate births are microscopic. Economic and cultural pressure prevents out of wedlock births more than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:30 PM
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I don’t know how anyone can say a generation raised after 1980 was raised religious. That just isn’t true. The WWII generation was the last generation that was, on the whole, religious. Yes, there are religious Baby Boomers, but it isn’t plausible to describe the Baby Boomer generation as religious. And Gen X and Millennials have gotten even less religious. America has been a post-Christian society for about 40 years now. And Western Europe longer than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:27 PM
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I think it’s more that most women don’t think that far ahead. Especially young women. Our culture doesn’t put much emphasis on having children within wedlock. Not like it did pre-sexual revolution. Maybe some girls are thinking a baby will get them benefits, but for the most part, these girls getting knocked up before marriage aren’t thinking anything about their futures at all. They are just kind of drifting along from job to job and from relationship to relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:20 PM
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I lift weights pretty hard because I like it, I’m good at it, and at this point being physically strong is part of my identity. But a previous poster is correct, I don’t have the genes to look like Chris Hemsworth. I’m a big, bulky dude. So is my dad and my grandfather before him. Exercise can’t change your genes. Steroids can have significant effects but there isn’t a steroid in existence that is going make me 160 pounds and ripped like Ryan Gosling. At some point, you are what you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:13 PM
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Judging by the number of out of wedlock births, it seems a plurality of women don’t share your logic. I happen to think women should hold out for marriage before having kids, but that isn’t the reality in which we currently live.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:06 PM
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She’s got more red flags than China. That’s gonna be a “no” from me.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/07/19 03:35 PM
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Talent always helps. It shoots you higher up on the ladder. When I talk about escaping the working class I don’t mean becoming a millionaire. I mean getting to a point where you no longer need government assistance or live paycheck to paycheck. Becoming a high executive for a large corporation or a successful hedge fund manager on Wall Street takes talent but those positions are way higher than what I’m talking about. You don’t need connections or that much talent to perform lots of middle class…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 11:26 AM
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Luck? I’ve been called a lot of things in my life, but lucky isn’t one of them. If you think luck gets poor up that ladder than you’re wasting your time at that nonprofit. Discipline and motivation gets us up that ladder.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 01:22 AM
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I just used teen pregnancy as an example. If you didn’t grow up in a poor area then it’s difficult to explain. It’s hard for affluent folks to understand the myriad horrible choices that poor people make that keep them poor. Upper class liberals think they can just throw money at poor people and solve all their dysfunctions. It won’t. If we don’t change the culture of the poor and working class, they are doomed and no amount of money and good intentions will change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 12:37 AM
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Sometimes. But teenage pregnancy is teenage pregnancy. A teen’s life is still severely impacted by pregnancy. It’s just that upper class girls don’t get pregnant as teens. Where I grew up? Lots of girls pregnant before age 20 and almost all of them are single moms. Where I live now? That just doesn’t happen. Makes a huge difference to the two communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 11:35 PM
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I am from working class, Rust Belt Pennsylvania. I am now firmly entrenched in upper middle class, suburban America though I’m the only member of my extended family to make such a climb up the economic ladder. It isn’t a matter of raw intelligence. My IQ is likely above average but nothing special. It is more a matter of discipline. Just don’t make horrible choices when you’re young. Sounds easy if you are from upper class suburbs but it’s actually pretty difficult to avoid if you’re from the in…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 09:58 PM
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I honestly don’t think rich, white liberals of the 1930’s and 1960’s hatched a nefarious plot to keep minorities down and poor whites down at the bottom. I know a lot of upper class white liberals because I’m an attorney in the Northeastern United States. Conservatives are rare in that crowd. Most of the RWL’s I know are well meaning people who just don’t understand economics or human nature. They honestly believe if you just give someone a house and some money that the recipient will use the ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 06:38 PM
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“But don't you think it's true that on the ground, in reality, this is what the (increasing in number) poorer classes are doing right now?” Sadly, it is what is happening amongst the poor and working class. We’ve all seen the statistics. Single parenthood amongst the lower classes will exacerbate income inequality as broken families sink lower generation by generation and intact families rise generation after generation. You can pass whatever government program you wish, poverty and income inequ…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 06:33 PM
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Correct. The destruction of the American family is a terrible consequence of the Welfare State. We won’t survive long with 50% of babies born out of wedlock.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/07/19 06:50 PM
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She’s the likely the product of several generations of bad decisions. There is no chance she comes from an intact family and I’ll wager her mom didn’t either. So her daughters are likely the third generation, at least, to come from a broken home. At some point, the dysfunction becomes institutional and there is no way to reverse it. Anyone who gets involved with her is doomed.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/07/19 04:43 PM
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If a woman describes herself as a “goddess,” I’m out. Run like Hell from any woman who tells you how special she is.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/07/19 11:06 PM
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The two guys I knew that did the best we’re both slightly more than 6’0” tall. One guy was muscular and the other guy had a dad bod. Both were charismatic dudes. The college guy was downright self destructive and flunked out of college. Then he went to the Marine Corps which straightened him out and now he works private security (we are in our early 40’s). The high school guy was from a tough background and just sort of floundered after high school. Both great guys to be around and both could ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 11:10 AM
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For men, these are the two gigantic answers. Even before all the #metoo movement, it was still extremely difficult for 3/4 of men to approach women. I’m sure it’s much harder to approach. I have a teenage son and I worry about his prospects of finding a partner in the future. I also have two daughters and don’t worry about their future prospects in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 04:45 PM
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Close, but not quite. This is more like a self-driving car that leaves your driveway of its own volition to be driven hard by other drivers. But you are correct in that you are still responsible for all expenses relating to your disloyal, self-driving car.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/06/19 04:05 PM
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If the guy goes through with this, he gets what he deserves. I have sympathy for most guys who wind up divorced, but not the dumb bastard who wife’s her up. She ain’t “marriage material” as they used to say. Most women aren’t, but she REALLY isn’t.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/06/19 04:03 PM
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Yea, but they had free healthcare and the government wasn’t run by billionaires and corporations. /s. These young people, and it is almost always young people, always get duped by communism’s promises. “Everything will be fair and equal, forever”. Communism never works and can never work because it violates human nature and human rights. But you can’t convince those people of anything no matter how many facts you have.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/06/19 02:10 PM
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If there is one thing communism is good at, it’s killing communists. Stalin, Chairman Mao, Castro, the Kims and the Khmer Rouge killed more communists than the West ever could.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/06/19 02:01 PM
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Careful. You just made fun of a communist on Reddit. You’re probably going to bring out the Comrade Brigade to give you a long laborious explanation of how true communism has never been tried and would work perfectly if it did.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/06/19 12:21 AM
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They wouldn’t have allowed Harry to marry her if he had a realistic chance at the throne. He’s very far removed and only a disaster, or a very tragic series of accidents/illnesses, will see him on the throne. That is the reason Harry was allowed to marry an already divorced foreigner when his great uncle was forbidden from doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 12:00 PM
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I’ve been with my girlfriend for two years and we are very happy. I don’t want anyone else. However, at any time she can look at me and say “nope, this isn’t for me anymore”. And she is well within her rights to do so. She has every right to leave me whenever she chooses. But I shouldn’t have to pay her for it. I have a good job and do pretty well for myself. I work extremely hard and I am on pace for a nice retirement in about 20 years. My hard work shouldn’t be thrown in the garbage because sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/19 04:32 AM
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I don’t want men to just wither away and die. I want them to focus on things that make them happy in the absence of women. You make it sound as if the only way a man can ever be happy is if he has a woman at his side. This simply isn’t true. There are a lot of ways to be happy. Sure, having a loving, loyal woman at your side is great, but that isn’t going to happen for more than 40% of men. And being bitter and angry isn’t going to change that. Should they just give up on life and wither away? A…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 06:19 PM
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But what other choice do these men have other than moving on from female companionship as best they can? What is the alternative? Physically forcing women to be with men they aren’t attracted to? That is basically what civilization did for centuries before the Sexual Revolution. I don’t see women voluntarily going back to that model of one woman for one man in perpetual monogamy. The choices are living in bitterness or making the best of it. Wishing for the 1950’s to return is not a viable plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 04:50 PM
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“find meaning in life that doesn't involve romantic companionship” People (mostly men) are going to need to embrace this concept. Gender relations are not going to improve. The genie is out of the bottle and women will not willingly go back to pre-sexual revolution norms. That means about half of men are going to be without female companionship. These men can choose to be bitter about it or they can make the best of it. Find something else that makes them happy and fulfilled. Whether that’s book…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 04:40 PM
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2 or 3 years from the date the victim of the fraud (the man) knew or should have known about the fraud. That’s how most torts and breach of contract cases work. So if he finds out from 23 And Me or whatever that none of his teen children are his, he has two years from the date he received the test results.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 10:47 PM
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People are too obsessed with making this a criminal matter. It’s really more of a civil matter. The fort of fraud or breach of implied contract. Something like that. The man should be able to sue the woman for monetary damages within a reasonable amount of time after he knew, or should have known, that the child wasn’t his. In most types of civil cases the statute of limitations is 2 or 3 years. That seems about right for a situation like this as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 06:11 PM
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If she never even mentions the possibility that another man could be the father, that shows a pretty clear intent to defraud. That should have consequences. The defrauded man should be able to sue the woman for monetary damages. The amount of those damages would be determined by a judge or jury, just like in any other breach of contract or fraud case in civil court. The defrauded man would then hold a judgment against the woman and be able to garnish her wages, retirement plans, and other assets…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 06:00 PM
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I just feel so bad for this young man. He’s wasting his youth. Safe bet he doesn’t have a father of his own to rely upon. I have a teenage son and we are quite close. I would never advise him to co-parent a child that wasn’t his with a girl that does not return his affections. He would ask me for advice and I’d tell him to run as far from this harpy as quickly as possible.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/05/19 08:27 PM
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If any man responds positively to this woman he gets what he deserves. I don’t feel sorry for these guys intentionally pursuing disasters.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/05/19 04:03 PM
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How terrible is your life if you voluntarily choose to pursue this woman? I don’t feel sorry for any dumb bastard that gets involved with her. That profile has more warnings than Homer Simpson’s console at the nuclear plant.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/05/19 03:26 PM
7

“this makes no sense?” Sure it does. We are kidnapping kids from third world countries and giving them to the most dysfunctional Americans. Solid gold plan if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 04:35 PM
1

Spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 12:45 PM
1

If your version of history is accurate, then that piece of legislation has had awful unintended consequences and should be changed. I honestly don’t care about whose fault any of this is. I just want a better country and society. What we are currently doing isn’t working for large swaths of the population. It isn’t working for middle and working class women or men. So we need to change what we are doing. And the way we change behaviors is through economic incentives. Remove the economic incentiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 08:48 PM
1

We did not get here in a day and we cannot fix it in a day. Eliminating child support while keeping the welfare state would temporarily hurt. But then women would stop having unwanted pregnancies because raising babies completely without the man sucks. They would become more cautious like they were for hundreds if not thousands of years. Women have proven they can eliminate most unwanted pregnancies. Men have proven they cannot. No social program we can think of eliminates poverty like intact fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 06:03 PM
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Did you skip the part where I state men are incapable of showing the self discipline and judgment necessary to avoid unwanted babies? Men do share the blame. I never stated otherwise. The number one cause of poverty is broken homes. That can’t be reasonably disputed. For 50 years we have given men the responsibility of preventing broken homes. And where has it gotten us? Dead babies in the streets? You’re being hysterical and disingenuous. Would not happen. The welfare state would still exist as…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 02:58 PM
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I think you’re probably right. I don’t expect any changes to the current child support system but if changes do occur, I agree they will be towards MORE child support, not less. So I’m very pessimistic about the future. Academics and progressives will continue to bemoan the ever widening income inequality and believe that worsening income inequality is all because the wealthy aren’t paying enough taxes. When in reality, it is single parent families that are the number one cause of poverty. It is…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 02:47 PM
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It cannot last. I’m not demonizing individual single mothers. I don’t think many women set out to be single moms that accidentally harm society. I don’t believe women are evil gold diggers or anything like that. But we’ve allowed emotions to overtake reason. Passion to overtake discipline. Most people (not just women) lack self discipline. If everyone had self discipline, the world would have virtually no problems. So discipline has to be imposed. It can be imposed by force, but history has prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 02:37 PM
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If we had Legal Parental Surrender, single motherhood would practically disappear. Did single moms exist before the modern child support system? Sure. But it was extremely rare. Women knew an unwanted pregnancy was a total disaster for them and they behaved accordingly. And society benefitted. Now, women can have the best of both worlds. They can have the man’s financial resources without actually having to live with him and deal with him on a day-to-day basis. I understand why women really enjo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 11:53 AM
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I agree whole heartedly. Child support should be just enough to keep the kid off of welfare. After all, if the parents were still together, that’s a perfectly acceptable amount to spend. If you child lives with you, no one mandates you have to spend a certain % of your income on him/her. You only have to spend enough to keep the state from paying for your child. So why should it be any different when the child does not live with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 01:44 PM
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They haven’t admitted it yet, but working class women already kind of do this. My cousin has a live in girlfriend and two baby mamas. Whether those three women want to admit it or not, they are sharing the same guy. He is a big dude with muscles and has always done well with the ladies. Just a real charismatic guy, who is undisciplined and not a rocket scientist. Everybody likes him, but he’s always going to struggle financially because that’s just him. These women don’t want to admit it to them…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 04:32 PM
1

And divorce was much less common. Now getting married is like living in a house with an unexploded mortar shell from WWII. You just never know if/when it is going to explode. Marriage laws are still literally medieval in the way they divvy up property. Until that changes, marriage is a huge risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 01:38 PM
1

Sadly, if they stay in America, I think you’re right. I’d move somewhere else before I live like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 01:27 PM
1

I think a lot of men in America should get used to the idea of emigrating to new countries. If low SMV males stay in America they are not going to thrive. Period. We can’t force women to love men they don’t want to love. The 19th century is over and it isn’t coming back. So we have an over supply of basically decent, beta males looking for love and career opportunities in an America that isn’t going to offer them either. Time to start leaving. Work your ass off for 3-5 years doing almost anythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 01:24 PM
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Your attitude is just as bitter as theirs. And it won’t solve anything. You can tell 25% of all men to eat shit and die. But I don’t think any of us will like the results. I’m not saying women should date men they aren’t attracted to. But a little compassion towards these guys goes a long way. It goes a long way towards women in tough spots as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 11:50 AM
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I basically agree with this premise. I think this also extends to politics. Particularly Trump voters. I did not personally vote for Trump (voted third party) because I think he is a dishonorable man. But I 100% understand how he was elected. I’m from the Rust Belt and have seen the decline of working class America first hand. So I understand these folks felt they needed a champion (I just think they chose the wrong one). Electing Trump is basically a cry for help. How did the progressive elite …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 11:42 AM
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I am not hearing much chatter in my church that men need to marry single moms. What I do hear is that men should be submissive to their wives and basically cater to her every whim. I don’t hear any guidance to women that they should honor and treasure their husbands and do nice things for them. In the Christianity that surrounds me, love, honor and respect flows in only one direction - from man to woman. Needless to say, this scenario isn’t very appealing to me.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/05/19 09:34 PM
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Just try to improve yourself for the sake of improving yourself. If you depend upon the affections of women for your happiness, you’ll never be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 02:58 AM
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We will agree to disagree on that, my friend. Bitterness absolutely can, and should, be controlled.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 02:49 AM
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I have a very favorable view of women who don’t want children. We have enough horrible parents raising dysfunctional kids who likely won’t thrive. We don’t need more. I wish more women would be disciplined and self-aware enough to realize they would make horrible mothers and not get pregnant. Currently, we put much of the onus on preventing pregnancy on men, and it’s been a societal disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 05:01 PM
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OP expresses the attitude I’ve always had. My problems with MGTOW isn’t its central philosophy. Guys today should be extremely cautious of their financial assets and should avoid exposing those assets to women. But there is a lack of dignity and toughness in whining about “hypergamy” and “branch swinging” and all that stuff. You can’t change women anymore than you can make them taller. Scorpion and the Frog. Human nature doesn’t change. Just live your life. I’m not a physically attractive guy. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 04:38 PM
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Well, you put all your income earned during the actual marriage at risk. So the higher earning party is going to get screwed in a divorce. Often that is the man, but not always. A high warning female with a low earning husband will still lose in the divorce. It’s just that scenario doesn’t happen often because high earning women simply do not marry low earning men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 02:37 PM
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Prenups in America hold up just fine if they are drafted and executed properly, i.e. no duress, hiding of assets, both parties with their own legal counsel, etc. As long as the prenup was entered into like a normal, arm's length business contract they tend to hold up just fine. But prenups only guard your pre-marital assets. They do not guard the assets one accumulates during a marriage. Prenups also cannot protect against child support. Child support belongs to the child and cannot be negotiate…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 10:52 AM
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It would look like one of those battle scenes from Braveheart or Game of Thrones. Carnage everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 01:01 AM
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Just by looking at her, I bet she divorced a pretty successful guy. So she is no doubt receiving a hefty amount of child support from that successful guy. That’s why she’s only a teacher’s aide/student. She’s been living off the husband she dumped for years and I’ll bet the children are reaching adulthood. So now realizes that the child support checks are gonna stop pretty soon. Needs a new provider.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/03/19 08:02 PM
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Don’t confide in them, ever. It won’t benefit either of you. It can be tempting to just open up to her and release all those gooey feelings you’ve been storing inside, but you’ll regret it. Our vulnerability disgusts women and they can’t get over it. So opening up winds up making you feel worse and causes women to flee. It is what it is.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/03/19 02:51 PM
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I never thought of this but you're 100% correct. Plus, women are far more likely to stay on as patients whether the marriage survives or not.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/03/19 11:51 AM
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Give men sex robots and universal basic income and most of them won’t do jack shit. Whether that’s good or bad we will just have to wait and see.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 12:54 AM
1

Just graduating? No. That occurred a few years prior. Marrying their college or grad school sweethearts? Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 03:50 AM
1

Be really physically attractive and charismatic. Don’t be really physically unattractive and uncharismatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 09:54 PM
2

Not. At. Gunpoint.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/19 10:38 PM
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Some good points made in the title and first paragraph. Lost me after that. But I do think a lot of sons resent their single moms. Some women can be great single moms and those are the women we make movies about and get thanked in Oscar speeches and by athletic stars. But a cursory internet search produces ample evidence that most women aren't very successful at raising happy, healthy, productive sons. It is logical that plenty of those dysfunctional sons harbor resentment towards their single m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 01:47 PM
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As the law currently stands, the only way to avoid getting hurt by the marriage game is to not play the game. Divorce law is still based upon medieval principles of the woman being helpless and feminists have used that mindset to set up a very beneficial system for themselves. Men have to fulfill their marital duties and obligations but women do not have to fulfill theirs. The law should change such that marriage is treated like a contract and governed by principles of contract law. But there is…
/r/MGTOW21/02/19 08:26 PM
1

Split how? I don’t doubt some sort of split will occur. Anything can happen in 800,000 years.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/02/19 04:52 PM
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I read a quote once, I believe on this very sub. It goes: “She will forgive you for being a jerk. She will never forgive you for being a pussy.” Never forget that lesson boys.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/02/19 07:34 PM
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Spot on. The best economical way to structure society is the family. Proof of this is easily found with even a cursory internet search. The rise in income inequality is often blamed on the tax structure implemented in the 80's. In reality, income inequality is far more tied to the rise of single parent homes beginning in the 70's. Upper middle class people know this, that's why they get divorced at much, much lower rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 11:16 AM
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The biggest difference is the decreased amount of trust between men and women and the increased amount of cynicism. When the average person met someone prior to 2000, they thought “this is exciting and I’m hopeful this will last”. There were no guarantees, of course, but optimism was the norm. Today it is quite the opposite. Today there is more a feeling of “this person is great, but I’m not going to try too hard or show any vulnerability because they likely won’t be in my life in 3 months”. I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 05:36 PM
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For about 25% of the population, things are as good as they’ve ever been. Those are the people that control the commanding heights of the economy, government and academia. Things are going great for them and they don’t want anything to change. They like the modern day feudalism that’s developing. Keeping single moms hooked on government benefits is a big part of their strategy. Keeping the working class poor creates cheaper maids, cooks, gardeners, etc.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/02/19 05:25 PM
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I grew up working class in the Rust Belt during the 1980’s. The family unit in that time and place really started breaking down. Thirty years later my hometown is every stereotype you can think of about working class whites. Rampant unemployment, opioid abuse, and few intact families. And the few intact families that do exist occupy the upper middle class jobs there. School teachers, prison guards, the rare doctor, accountant or lawyer. Upper class women pose a different set of problems to be su…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/02/19 05:19 PM
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It is. Western Civilization is failing and single parent homes are a large reason why. Not the only reason, but a large one.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/02/19 04:32 PM
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It takes a couple generations to get where we are now. Slow incremental changes occur every day to where we have entire communities with few, if any, fathers. We’ve made some terrible cultural and public policy choices for 50+ years. But it’s really only the poor that suffers through this cycle of child abandonment and single mom homes. Girls born to the upper middle class don’t give birth out of wedlock. It’s not because UMC girls are more virtuous (though stats do show they have fewer sex part…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/02/19 04:30 PM
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Young women don’t put much thought into it. Especially young, poor women. There isn’t an upper middle class girl in this picture. Poor girls just breed with the hottest guy they can find because that’s what their instincts tell them to do. Feminism destroyed a lot of the civilizational aspects of human mating. So now, huge swaths of the population are just breeding on instinct. Like our ancestors did 100,000 years ago. Traits that make a good father in the modern economy are no longer as desirab…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/02/19 04:22 PM
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There is no correct answer to this awful dilemma. Just two awful choices that no one ever wants to make. As much as possible, adults should have written instructions and power of attorney documents for situations like these. My heart goes out to this man who was placed in one of the worst situations I can imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:39 PM
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The first step is you have to get the rich and influential to acknowledge single motherhood as a problem. If celebrities and those that influence culture opposed single motherhood as ardently as they oppose climate change that would be a huge first step. But I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/01/19 03:59 PM
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That poor kid already has the deck stacked against them. What a weird tragedy that Western Civilization is destroying itself one single mother at a time. The West could so easily solve this problem, but it doesn’t want to. The public at large has no cultural or political will to once again make single motherhood unacceptable.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/01/19 02:14 PM
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Look, I don’t want men in the future to struggle. I am just predicting they will, but society won’t collapse because of those struggles. If I could waive a magic wand and put things my way I’d match every person with their soul mate. But the reality is that relations between the sexes are deteriorating and I see every indication that will worsen in the future. I don’t see gender relations improving in the next generation or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 10:05 PM
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But they aren’t abandoning society if they aren’t having sex. They will still have jobs. They will still buy stuff and vote. Most will still be economically productive. America already has a huge portion of adult males, and females for that matter, who aren’t romantically linked in any way. And things aren’t collapsing. Americans aren’t super happy but the country isn’t collapsing either. If 40%-50% of adult males fail to have children but are still economically productive enough while satiating…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 08:05 PM
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It can. As long as they work and support themselves things should move along well enough. Maybe they won’t be happy, but society will survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 07:44 PM
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This is gross.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/01/19 07:35 PM
2

Interesting. I hadn’t considered the possibility that monogamy could be outright mocked. I don’t think that will happen. I even think marriage will exist, just not as common. Some of those beta males won’t be part of the alpha female’s group and vice versa. But I don’t think the medium to low RMV male of the future is going to try very hard in the future to attract women. They just have too much going against them. I think the lower 60% or so of males in the future will satiate themselves with e…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 06:16 PM
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Well, there won’t be a law mandating this. Monogamy will still exist, it’ll just be tougher to find. But changes are occurring that make monogamy much more difficult. Look at college campuses that now have significant gender imbalances. High value men in those campuses tend to be serial monogamists having short 2-4 week relationships one after another. Would they date all those women at the same time if it were socially acceptable to do so openly? Of course. It also seems logical to me that alph…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 06:00 PM
1

I actually think this is where we are headed. Only we are headed there both ways. Polyamory is the future. Alphas of both genders will have open groups of the opposite gender that they share life with. So an alpha female like “Peach” from “You” (a show on Netflix for those who haven’t seen it) will openly date 2,3,4 or more good looking guys who for some reason don’t have the confidence to be an alpha male. Chad will openly date the other 3 or so girls from Peach’s friend group. We aren’t there …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 05:42 PM
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I think so. People on these sorts of threads always seem to think something dramatic will happen in the future. “Society will collapse,” and all that stuff. But that isn’t realistic. As long as the average guy is not literally starving to death and has enough entertainment options to satiate himself, I think the average guy in 30 years will be content enough to just go to work and come home to his video games, AI porn devices, etc. I’m not saying this is good or bad, just that it’s the most real…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 05:22 PM
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There are dozens of reasons why straight men are having less sex today. Many of them are listed on this thread. If aliens wanted to stop humans from having sex, they would implement most of the technology and culture currently being implemented. Sex is always going to exist, obviously. Chad will always get his. But I think the days of the average straight guy having regular access to sex with a woman are gone. At least for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 05:16 PM
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I think people a generation from now will be far more comfortable with poly relationships. Marriage will still be a thing because institutions that ingrained die hard. Slightly more than half of adults in 30 years will still get married at some point in their lives but almost half likely never will. You’ll see attractive, high SMV males with several girlfriends out in the open (i.e. they will know about each other) and high SMV females openly in a relationship with two or more males as well. Bas…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 05:00 PM
3

This seems accurate to me. Less marriage but also just less monogamy overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 04:51 PM
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The adult supervision thing is an often overlooked factor. My teen children spend literally only a fraction of the time away from adults that my generation did in the 80’s and 90’s. I was never home, even before my peer group could drive. My kids and their friends never leave their houses. I suspect devices and social media have a lot to do with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 02:24 PM
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Single parent homes perpetuate poverty and crush social mobility more than anything else. Yes, the rare woman can be an awesome single mom and her kid will thrive. But the average woman can’t do it. A lifestyle where only the extraordinary can will succeed is doomed to failure.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/01/19 03:58 PM
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MGTOW is never going to be the de facto lifestyle for men. A sizable minority of the bottom 80% of smp men will adopt MGTOW but that won’t be a majority of overall men. The majority of men will continue to attempt relationships with women and most outside the top 20% of smp will experience little success. But even if 1/3 of overall men adopt a MGTOW lifestyle (either voluntarily or involuntarily) that’s still tens of million of men in America alone. No one knows what the social implications of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 11:29 PM
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You are 100% correct. Spot on comment. She has virtually no chance to form a healthy relationship. Some books you really can judge by their cover.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/01/19 05:49 PM
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“This would have had a very different outcome in most jurisdictions.” Not necessarily. The guy did well because he filed for divorce as soon as she quit her job. Meaning, he never agreed to it. The “lifestyle to which she is accustomed” is the antiquated standard normally used for alimony. In this case, that standard involved her working a job she quit on her own. If he had agreed to her being a SAHM for even a short time, he would have gotten smashed. But he didn’t, and that saved him along wit…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/01/19 06:18 PM
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I was also friend zoned by my wife. This was years ago and the divorce has been final for a decade. I didn’t realize what had happened until I starting learning about what women actually want, rather that what we we were told they want. Growing up in the 80’s and 90’s guys were told that women want the good guy. Work hard, be attentive and don’t take her for granted the way our dad’s did and the wife will love you forever. We now know this is bullshit and that women are not loving and loyal like…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/12/18 12:55 AM
1

Sexual attraction won’t necessarily lead to healthy companionship and love, but you’re going to struggle to find love without it. I think women convince themselves that they can “eventually” find a man sexually attractive because the guy checks off a lot of other items on their list and they really want a boyfriend/husband. I just don’t think that’s reality. Those relationships don’t last, for the most part. He either gets you going or he doesn’t. And if he doesn’t, all the sense of humor and in…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 06:44 PM
1

Good for you. We turn society around one minute of volunteer work at a time. Just never be alone with a child, which is actually the policy of most respectable charities anyway. The world sucks right now and will for the foreseeable future. Doesn’t mean we stop trying, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 06:34 PM
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The main reason Red Pill is controversial is their tone. It’s just too angry towards women. Truth can be acknowledged without being bitter and mean. Yes, women like confidence. Yes, women like muscles. Yes, women like status. It’s good to recognize and admit that. But it isn’t right to be angry at women for liking confidence, muscles and status. We don’t choose who we are attracted to, it just happens naturally. So getting bitter at women for liking muscles and confidence is like getting angry a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 06:21 PM
1

You have natural inclinations to help others. That’s good. So do I. Do what I do and donate time and money to charities. Your local Boys & Girls Club really needs you. Or if you are able, donate money or necessities to a women’s shelter. But the days of chivalrously helping random strangers is over. Too much can go wrong and hurt you. We didn’t make society this way, but we can’t change it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 06:02 PM
1

You’re 100% correct. I didn’t make society this way, and I wish it were different. But as a man, we just can’t help people anymore. Too much can go wrong like the situation you describe above. We have to deal with the reality we are given, not the reality we want. And the reality we are given says “head down, keep to yourself”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 05:39 PM
1

Especially in an environment like Chuck E, Cheese, do not help a random child. Seek out a member of the staff if you must, but do not touch the child yourself in any way. Where I live anyway, Chuck E. Cheese is a nightmare. I took my children twice but never again. If you want a stranger to pick a fight with you, Chuck E. Cheese can make that happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 05:36 PM
2

Everything about Andrea Yates makes me sick. She should have put to death years ago. Post-departum depression a real condition that should be taken seriously, but this is ridiculous. If she was so mentally ill that she couldn't help herself then why did she wait until her husband was out of the house, lock the dog in a room so it couldn't defend the kids, and then expend the effort to chase the oldest around the house. That sounds as premeditated as it gets.
/r/PussyPass24/11/18 02:34 PM
10

“I look deeper than physical appearance and don’t mind a little extra weight.”
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/10/18 03:46 PM
7

Or a parade of 28 year old male models would fall in love with her one right after the other. Samantha was the most unrealistic character on that entirely unrealistic show.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/10/18 01:34 PM
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You won't be a peasant if you avoid children out of wedlock and move to where there is work. If you have kids out of wedlock and stay in an economically depressed area no amount of socialism is going to help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 10:26 AM
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You are 100% correct. Income inequality will continue to widen and the main cause is the breakdown of the nuclear family unit among the working class. Single parenthood will never be economically viable. A rare single mom here and there will keep up with intact, married couples. But those women will be the rare exception, not the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 01:50 AM
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1,000,000% correct. It was also entirely predictable. Democrats know they don't have the votes to defeat him legitimately so they chose this route. Political stunts like this hurt actual victims of sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 02:33 PM
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Sex dolls and sex robots are much adieu about nothing. The guys who will benefit from AI dolls and robots aren’t desired by women anyway. So women won’t be losing anything. The men women desire will continue to approach women because they get positive responses when they do. The undesirable guys that women reject anyway will now have an outlet for their sexual frustration. This will probably make them less angry towards women. It’s a win-win for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 06:34 PM
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I think this mindset in 2018 is kind of dangerous, my friend. You could be putting yourself at greater risk of being accused of sexual assault. You don't need a lecture from a stranger on the internet but please be careful. It's a minefield out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 10:53 AM
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Legal polyamorous marriages are the next battleground and it's only a matter of time before a Federal judge holds that we all have a Constitutional right to polyamorous marriage. From logical standpoint, I don't see how poly marriages can be kept illegal. Two men and two women are allowed to share a residence together. They are allowed to have sex with one another, raise children together, and share finances. All of that is perfectly legal. It only becomes illegal when they marry each other. I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 11:03 AM
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It kind of sounds like she is accusing HIM of raping HER when she says he was on top of her. That is a novel defense: "We raped each other at the same time."
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/08/18 01:47 AM
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I think you’re right. A 20 year old woman getting bombarded with dozens of messages doesn’t need to reach out. A 40 year old woman probably isn’t receiving nearly as much interest so has to be more proactive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 05:08 PM
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“Pictures of You” by The Cure. As poignant a five minutes as you’ll ever spend in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 11:54 PM
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Most of the advice on this thread can be summed up thusly: Show a modicum of self-discipline. My grandparents had a fine life and they were nothing special. No talent at all. Pappy just drove a truck and Nanny worked at a nursing home. Today, my Pap, being a lc male, would’ve had the first baby with Nan and never married her. He then would’ve knocked up two other women and spread his trucker salary three ways, directly leading to the poverty of 8-10 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 11:15 PM
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True, and birth control might have decreased pre-industrial revolution birth rates a tick, but not by much. Before WWI especially, the majority of people were involved in agriculture. You needed children to work the farms. Children were an economic asset because they milked cows and churned butter for free. Once the family left the farm and Dad went to work in a factory birth rates began to drop rather dramatically because kids went from “free labor” to “another mouth to feed”. Some folks in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 02:08 PM
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Nothing can be, or should be done about fertility rates. We don’t like to admit it or discuss it in polite society, but people are economic commodities like corn or steel. As the price of a commodity rises, the demand for that commodity decreases. Children have become exponentially more expensive over the last century, hence, they are less desired. Plus, when most people were farmers children helped on the family farm and were economic assets. Now, children are an economic liability. Obviously, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/18 10:48 PM
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I wouldn’t cry in front of my girlfriend at gunpoint and I try not to show any weakness of vulnerability. I often think TRP takes their philosophy a little too far, but they are 100% correct in that women want strength. They don’t want to see us depressed or weak. I have down days like anyone else and when I do I just get quiet and broody. I don’t whine to her about my problems. That is what friends and parents are for and honestly I don’t even whine to them very often. I’ve always been very goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 05:01 PM
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I think marriage as an institution will continue to decline. It’ll never vanish completely but in the future I don’t think a majority of adults will marry. A sizable minority of adults? Sure. But more than 50% of adults will never marry. It’ll turn into an institution almost exclusively for the upper middle class and affluent class. The poor and working class will continue have children out of wedlock and will rely upon government benefits to an even greater degree than at present. I come from h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 02:07 PM
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I only used American numbers because those are the only trends I’ve read about. I would suspect Western Europe and Australia have similar trends, but I have never read any articles about marriage and dating trends in those places.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 11:43 PM
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Well, certainly there are a significant number of women riding the CC for as long as they can. I just think that’s a minority of women. But as there are roughly 160 million women in this country, even that minority of women riding the CC number in the millions. But statistically, the majority of college educated women find a man when they are in their early to mid-20’s and settle down with him. Whether those relationships and marriages are happy is another question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 08:34 PM
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I think this is a class thing. Educated, white collar women from stable middle and upper middle class backgrounds tend to find their mate at college or grad school and marry him from 26 to 29. Blue collar and working class women, not so much. They tend to come from unstable backgrounds and statistically are not getting married before having children. I’m generalizing, of course, but I think I’m correct in the aggregate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 07:41 PM
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So is every day a fight against being dominated by your wife or long term girlfriend? Because that sounds exhausting. I don’t want to continuously enforce boundaries. I just want to live my life and be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 01:32 AM
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Large swaths of the country are dying, literally and figuratively. So just stick to the touristy parts. New York City, Miami, Hollywood, etc. Source: I live in one of those swaths.
/r/askTRP25/06/18 01:27 PM
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I think there is a part of America that is in decline. We see it in statistics like life expectancy and suicide rates which are both moving in the wrong direction. I think upper middle class America is doing just fine and is everything you say it is. Healthier, wealthier, more educated, etc. But working class America is undoubtedly worse than it was in prior generations. The breakdown of the family since the mid-1960’s is probably the biggest reason for it. If mom and dad are bankers and enginee…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 05:17 PM
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So right about now.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 06:57 PM
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Yep. This is the main reason. Economics. 100+ years ago children were an asset. Now they are a severe liability. This economic change does more than anything else to lower the birth rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 10:48 AM
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It really boils down to economics and religion. Remember, until about WWII the majority of people still made their living in farming. Usually on small family farms. You needed those kids to labor on the farm so the family could be profitable. In more industrialized areas there were no child labor laws so you could send your kid to work fairly young and that contributed to the family income as well. Point being, prior to the mid-20th century, children were an economic asset. Now, they are a sever…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 10:43 AM
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I’ve had some opponents who have stretched the boundaries of legal ethics. However, for the most part I find most opponents to be forthright. My law firm is fairly large and our culture is to be aggressive but honest. Our word is our bond with opponents and especially judges. A reputation for dishonesty and shady tactics won’t get you far in my geographic area.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 04:19 PM
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I’ve been doing it long enough that I don’t take anything too personal. Argue the facts we have and let the chips fall where they may.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 04:09 PM
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Civil litigation. Defending insurance companies in car accidents, slip and falls, and workers’ compensation claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 04:03 PM
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Probably won’t survive summary judgment or whatever the CA equivalent is. Or at least it shouldn’t. But any lawyer will tell you that sometimes judges do whatever the Hell they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 03:07 PM
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Case should be dismissed by Statute of Limitations. But although I’m a lawyer, I am not a California lawyer so maybe the SoL was tolled somehow. However, the purpose of the SoL is that evidence and memories get very cloudy with the passage of time and 20 years is a lot of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 01:25 PM
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Just as our Founding Fathers intended.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/03/18 05:34 PM
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Must be nice to live in a place where the government actually functions properly. Americans pay some of the highest taxes in the world because we have three levels of taxation, Federal, State, and local. We get very little return for our tax dollars. I’m envious of places like Belgium, Finland, Switzerland, Norway, etc. because of the government services they receive. I’d happily pay for that quality. But I’ve no faith whatsoever the American government could ever deliver those services.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/03/18 02:30 PM
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No, it doesn’t. Under most no fault divorce statutes, one party can unilaterally impose a divorce on their spouse. In some states it’s as little as 90 days from the date of filing the paperwork with the prothonotary. No matter how much one party wants to work on the marriage, it doesn’t matter. The divorce will still happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 04:02 AM
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