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Because when you work 80 hour weeks you don't have time for a social life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 04:59 PM
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Its probably more like 80% than 99%, but in general men focus too much on non-looks related things when it comes to trying to improve their dating success. As long as you are not a total dork who wears camo shorts and talks about conspiracy theories to people you just met, the best return on value investment you can make is improving your physical appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:17 PM
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If you are good-looking and have an active social life you will get women. Not much more to it than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:08 PM
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I'm pretty beta if you define it by my behaviour. I'm shy, quiet, get lost in group situations and never flirt. However I'm good-looking, was a college athlete, like partying, so I have a smokeshow girlfriend and lots of girls who try to date me. Meanwhile I have friends with no inhibitions who can start a conversation with any stranger, & command a room making everyone belly laugh, meanwhile they haven't had sex in years. Who would you consider the beta in this scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 08:09 PM
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I'm socially capable but shy, anxious, defer to others too much, and extremely unflirty. I still do very well with attractive women and have had quite a few successful short & long term relationships. A lot of my friends are the same way. You guys overrate behaviour a lot on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 07:27 PM
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26, ball ache and libido decrease for about a month, and 2 years
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 11:40 AM
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finasteride 3x a week when I first noticed recession
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 05:30 PM
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post on /r/tressless/ if you are really unsure but to me it seems like obvious receding, sorry. Fin I had some side effects for the first couple of weeks that went away after. It could potentially regrow some hairline but the main thing is the hair you already have will be a lot healthier and fuller.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 05:47 PM
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From the age gap relationships I know, both sides are low value relative to their peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 05:38 PM
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Seriously, realizing that women put looks #1, 2, and 3 when it comes to attraction was an absolute game changer in how I approached dating. When I decided to focus 100% on improving my looks my success skyrocketed. Other improvements that make a big difference: getting some muscle, low bodyfat, clear skin, keeping hair while every other guy starts to lose it, growing good facial hair, posture, & being religious about sunscreen. All of these things you can change and can be a 4-5 point swing toge…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 05:03 PM
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I take both finasterade and minoxidil and would highly recommend (as long as you do your bloodwork and are safe about it). Don't want to be mean, but your hairline is significantly more receded than mine was when I decided to start taking fin. It's now or never because you are close to the point of no return.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 04:56 PM
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His hair is fairly receded, I don't know if long hair would work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 10:52 AM
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Young men have more free time than young women. Older women have more free time than older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 09:28 AM
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At the same time, myself and my friends were able to find out what women go for at like...15? Literally just go interact with girls and you see that they go for guys with 1. good-looking faces 2. height. Everything else is mostly irrelevant until you are thinking of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 09:26 AM
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Not saying it doesn't happen, but going bald usually cuts 3 points off your attractiveness right away
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 09:17 AM
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I'm disciplined with my training, played sports at a high level competitively, and look better with my shirt off than 95% of guys. Which is how I know you are full of shit and are overrating your own physique massively.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 09:14 AM
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Lol most pro athlete bodies don't even look like that. I go to the gym 5 times a week and follow a top diet and very few people at my gym look anything like that. That guy has elite genetics + good training + probably steroids. I would bet 1000$ you look nothing close to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 08:55 PM
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Literally no attractive woman I know will consider dating a fat or bald guy, I don't think its that out of the ordinary.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 06:48 PM
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In my line of work I work with many pro athletes and even then the uglier guys are relatively overlooked.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 06:45 PM
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Smurf yes, Narnia seems too out of touch with reality
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 05:09 PM
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NOOOOO she is unhinged like 50% of the time and NEVER argues in good faith. Maybe one of the worst people to have as a mod.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:58 PM
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Unironically men care a lot more about personality than women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:56 PM
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But why do you need to spend so much time in the gym? If you are natty that is well past the point of diminishing marginal returns for gains and physical health. It would be way better for you to spend that second hour doing something creative, socializing, or at least going for a walk in the park in nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:55 PM
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This is the kind of take I come to this subreddit for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:35 PM
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There is like one girl with a sense of humour for every ten guys though. Most don't care
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:30 PM
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Some of the most popular dudes I know are ugly and guess what, they still have ugly girlfriends. Girls will just take the 3rd most popular guy who is also good-looking (speaking from experience, I've been that dude).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:23 PM
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One gender dating down as a whole is mathematically impossible so I really never understood the "I see so many ugly dudes dating hot girls" thing on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:21 PM
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For the majority of my girl friends who I have had this conversation with or have known a while, it was 5-12 semicasual relationships at the end of high school and uni before meeting their eventual partner. # was mostly a function of time before they found someone. There have been a few savages who will sleep with 20 guys in one year but they are rare, at least in my circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:09 PM
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Your points #2 and #3 are fairly easy to get to a good level for most people. All my guy friends are groomed and charismatic enough where going to the next level would require a ton of effort for little return. Also if men are able to raise their SMV and date above their "looks level", then the opposite would also have to be true. If a guy who is a 5 in looks is dating an 8 women due to his presence, then there is a 5 girl out there without a partner. Who is she dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 09:56 AM
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I believe in the Blackpill and am far from an incel. In fact most of the guys I know who are top % sexually successful are quite blackpilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 09:47 AM
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Men are judged on more than just looks for relationships, but that doesn't mean that women are less shallow. They are just more picky than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 09:43 AM
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Why do all the good looking women I know have good looking partners then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 09:34 AM
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No they don't. Men also spend a lot more time on their looks now then they used to. Look at the rampant steroid abuse, gym culture, and exploding men's fashion industry
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 01:21 PM
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So its just a coincidence that physically attractive women almost exclusively date physically attractive men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:09 PM
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Constantly surrounds themselves with terrible people. It's so bad that they don't believe sane pleasant people of the opposite gender exist. Everyone I hang out with has good personalities so looks are the only differentiating factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:08 PM
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Its overrated if anything. I've seen some horribly awkward guys do extremely well with women. Any good looking person gets a massive boost to charisma and sexuality naturally
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 02:59 PM
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I've done this with couples I'm friends with on facebook and 90%-95% were closely looksmatched depending on your standards with the rest evenly split on which gender was better looking. Interestingly the average with good-looking were almost all average men with attractive women and the average with ugly were almost all average men with ugly women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:11 PM
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Same thing with manchildren. Just words to shame lifestyles that don't fit neatly into the machine of modern capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 01:33 PM
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I'm a guy and I agree with her, I rarely if ever see above average women dating significantly older men (5+ years). Prime is two years older and anything above that it starts being a negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 01:44 PM
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What are you talking about? Are you guys not friends with girls you aren't attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 07:34 PM
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Every small dick comment I have ever heard in my life has come from a women. I look forward to the day we start treating male penis shaming, height shaming, and virgin shaming with the same disgust we treat women focused insults, it will mean we have turned a corner culturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:43 PM
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I am 28 and easily more than half my guy friends have started receding. Hard to recognize the early stages of hair loss unless you have been through it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:35 PM
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Idk I've known several guys who have hit on every friend in every friend group they have had and it hasn't affected them too badly. If you are ugly yeah that wont be tolerated but average you are overestimating the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:32 PM
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Im of the mindset if she immediately doesn't want to have sex with you then theres not much you can do to make her want too. I'll never understand why guys try and pursue girls who aren't clearly interested. The best case scenario is dating a women who is barely attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:25 PM
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This is a good example of why you don't take people's attractiveness ratings at face value without video.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 03:46 PM
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I make good money on my investments, although fairly liquid at the moment due to how deep we are in a speculative bubble in many asset classes. I'm just saying how its dumb that I can make money just by having money already.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 03:44 PM
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Just funny when people hate on welfare then talk about their passive income.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 03:40 PM
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What happened to actually working for your money. Seems like so many people now just want to throw money at the market and get rich on other people's efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 11:52 AM
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I mean I could just be more sensitive to it because I'm a dude, but it would be interesting to do a count of toxic gendered comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 10:35 AM
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I have. Dating top tier attractiveness women is like having another job. For me as a good looking but not super attractive guy they just have too much leverage at the end of the day. I've been there and it is not worth giving up so much control of my life to me. I would rather date a less physically attractive women who is more pleasant to be around so I have time to work on my career, business, other relationships, and kids eventually. I have friends who date up and their wives control every as…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 10:28 AM
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Anyone who says that reddit is male oriented, show them this thread. People doing Cirque de Soleil level mental gymnastics trying to absolve the women of fault. Man cheats on reddit: he is a scumbag Woman cheats on reddit: her man wasn't giving her enough attention, he is a scumbag
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 10:11 AM
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Underweight generally. Best is healthy weight + going to the gym by far.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 09:19 AM
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I wouldn't date anyone too far on either spectrum socially (hating all men or hating all gays, both not my cup of tea), but if you are conservative fiscally then we are probably going to have some fundamentally different ideas of how the world functions. Fine for friendships, not as fun for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 09:04 AM
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You are being radicalized and brainwashed by hate groups. If you replaced men with black people in your op, think about how racist and ridiculous you would sound. But because groups like FDS veil their rhetoric in the language of victimhood, they are able to slide into vulnerable people's psyche. Hate groups have been around for all of humanity, you are not the first to fall for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 08:53 AM
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I agree with you for the most part but I see a lot more men haters than women haters on here typically. If the women in my life had half the evil in their hearts as the women on this sub it would be a sad day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 08:30 AM
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I don't understand how you can be a leftist while being against inc3ls. We know that telling poor people to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" doesn't work and is retarded, why would it work for virgin men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 12:15 PM
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It might be worth it to be able to be a stay at home dad though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 12:06 PM
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Agree. I wouldn't date a girl shorter than 5'4". Obviously height is a far bigger factor for men but it isn't insignificant for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 12:05 PM
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An annual shrooms trip should be mandatory for everyone. Being able to see yourself from a 3rd party perspective is incredibly valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 11:57 AM
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Harder for employers to find their profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 11:55 AM
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Holy shit are you me. I did the exact same thing and it worked like a charm. My best friend was incredibly confident charismatic and confident but uglier than me so I always ended up with first pick without doing any of the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 11:23 AM
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So you have never seen a hot woman with an average looking guy? A few times but pretty rarely. And I would say all those relationships suffer from a lack of attraction. I agree with your other points, probably I just phrased it poorly at the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 11:21 AM
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Speaking for all of the average and ugly looking men I know, pretty much no "hot" women were ever interested in them. Average and ugly women found them attractive though, not sure if that is what you are referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 10:25 PM
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Guys are more willing to date for personality, so congrats.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 10:22 PM
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Your rating is just the aggregate attractiveness of the partners you have dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 10:18 PM
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I agree with you, but there is a huge caveat to this. Some hot guys will be ugly to some women, but it doesnt work the other way around. Ugly guys wont be randomly hot to some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 10:13 PM
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I would not consider a girl unless she could feasibly start a fitness instagram.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 10:02 PM
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He is still fucking 10s whenever he wants. Same thing LeBron does.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 09:04 AM
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Yes I agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 05:21 PM
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Toronto and Brussels and St. Louis
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 05:00 PM
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If this isnt indicative of the lonely men crisis than I dont know what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 04:44 PM
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How is not true. Virtually every good looking girl I know save a couple are dating similarly handsome guys. If attractive women have a large window then you would think less of them would go for 8s and 9s.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 04:33 PM
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Yeah it is. My point was that I know way more boorish and boring guys doing well than ugly guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 04:30 PM
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Money doesnt improve attraction, just the chances of dating a gold digger. Status yes, a high degree of status will improve attraction. Game matters just as much for women if not more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 10:49 PM
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Attractive girls have a small window. Average girls have a bigger window. But its the exact same way for guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 10:33 PM
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You're doing the exact same thing if you think that looks are only 25% for women. Its probably about 75% for both genders and TONS of guys get by on looks alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 10:31 PM
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You just think that because you're a girl though. I look around and see most women dating the best looking and tallest guy they can find regardless of whether they are an asshole or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 10:26 PM
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Unless you become a celebrity than nothing men do really increases their value outside of looks either. 95% of men are less attractive at 35 than 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 10:24 PM
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A lot lower if he is presumably under 35 looking for a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 06:13 PM
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Twitter was my other thought
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 07:07 PM
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Conservatives are the most blue-pilled people out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 07:07 PM
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Would you guys say reddit is the most blue-pilled place that exists either online or offline?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 05:12 PM
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90% of fuckbuddy situations I've seen the woman would date the man if he were open to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 05:07 PM
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That girl isn't very good looking, without makeup she would be fairly ugly Colt looks a lot better since the weight loss He is pretty famous with all the success of 90 day fiance If anything this proves the blackpill since these women are willing to overlook his horrible personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 09:46 AM
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Women who say "the bar is on the floor" and "men are trash" are the same as guys who say "women don't like sex". You are inadvertently outing yourself as a low value member of your gender who is bad at picking partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 11:50 AM
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4 women in their life maybe. fr I agree though sometimes it feels like most of this sub is living in an alternate dimension to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 08:42 AM
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lmao no wonder redpill is not popular with this generation. Video sharing killed redpill lol. Too much evidence out there now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 08:41 AM
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lower your standards or get better looking. The only two things you can do really.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 08:39 AM
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I've seen this situation play out before in real life. Chads are so used to getting positive reciprocal attention that when they don't it short circuits their brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 08:36 AM
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You are probably underrating the attractiveness of these guys. Just because a guy isn't top tier good looking doesn't mean he is average, which is a mistake I see a lot of girls make.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 08:04 AM
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Status and money only enter the equation if you are in the top tier, like pro athlete or 10x the average assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 07:58 AM
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I often have the same thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 07:56 AM
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Guys that hit all those criteria are a dime a dozen. If you are struggling to find good guys that's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 07:55 AM
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Hard disagree. I have never seen game get ugly guys laid, and I've been to 100s of parties/nights out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 07:53 AM
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Minoxidil can cause a temporary shed but it is literally one of the most effective medications to treat hairloss so it definitely won't increase it. If you are super worried just apply it on your head too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 07:51 AM
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You are overestimating yourself then, men are ecstatic when equally attractive women approach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 10:34 PM
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Towards what
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 10:28 PM
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social-progressive fiscal-conservative How is this not exactly the liberal party.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 10:02 PM
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For sure, I'm talking about marriage/long-term dating though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 10:00 PM
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Dropping to pretty low bodyfat (170 lbs from 190 at 5'11 with 10+ years of consistent weight training), minoxidil to grow a beard, prescription antibiotics for acne, finasteride for hair, daily posture correction exercises. Could go even further if I wanted with PEDs and facial surgery. Still debating if it worth it but probably not considering I'm pretty happy with myself now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:57 PM
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No just the few people on reddit who think ugly guys routinely attract good looking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:39 PM
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If a top 50% percentile guy dates a top 20% girl then somewhere a top 20% guy has to date a top 50% girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 03:55 PM
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This is good advice for women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 03:34 PM
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That guy wasn't going to date her anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 03:27 PM
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Daily reminder that it is mathematically impossible for women to date down in looks as a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 03:12 PM
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You are seriously tripping if you think a charismatic ugly man is as attractive as a good looking tall quiet dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 03:10 PM
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Just being charming/funny can get you laid .. so “banging a broke (charismatic) ugly guy” is not uncommon. Many many people in this thread have never seen an ugly guy be successful at casual sex. It's really not common.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 02:50 PM
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He's saying that if a 7/10, by all accounts pretty good looking guy, does well, women will say that it's an example of an ugly guy doing well because he's not in that upper tier of "hot" men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 02:48 PM
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They underestimate the guy's attractiveness and overestimate the girl's attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 02:40 PM
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The only thing I don't agree with" non single girls mate with 5 years older men. ". I know tons of 20 somethings in urban areas and have never encountered a 5 year age gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 02:33 PM
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"Women don't care about looks like guys do. Just be funny and respectful" Improving my looks has exploded the amount of attention I've received from all women WAY more than any personality improvements.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 02:30 PM
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As a guy my last two relationships started with a woman approaching me. You snooze you lose!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 02:26 PM
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Yeah that's the thing. Incels are dead right about a few things, but it's wrapped up in a lot of nonsense that would be constructive to get rid of.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 11:35 AM
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Women don't care about personality
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:52 AM
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And ticks ugh
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:50 AM
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Myers Briggs is definitely astrology for dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:49 AM
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Incel talk being banned is the stupidest rule on this sub. (saying this as a non-incel)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:48 AM
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I would say pretty equal unless the woman brings it up unprovoked in which case that would be a crimson red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:47 AM
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Depends on your standards. If you are trying to get into a relationship with an attractive woman than looks are easily most important. In general I would say looks>status>>>>>>>>>>>money>personality in terms of what matters in attracting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:42 AM
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What have you been doing the past year lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 02:18 PM
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/rockstar/singer/whatever the equivalent is for your generation (assuming you are quite young or quite old).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:23 PM
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As a soft pretty boy, you are very wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:08 PM
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As a guy, it seems like 90% of my girl friends end up with a guy about as attractive as they are, even if they wouldn't find each others partners attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:08 PM
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Are you a guy or a girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:02 PM
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Same. Lived on two different continents and three different cities with multiple social groups in each one and not once ever have I met an ugly guy who does well with women. Every single guy who does well that I've seen is quite facially attractive,fit, usually white, and 5'8+.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 12:57 PM
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I know several men in their 20s who are virgins and not religious at all. Usually the religious guys get married and lose their virginity in their early 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 12:55 PM
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Still with ugly women though
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 12:52 PM
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Its 90% due to his incredibly high social status. Also his face isn't even that unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 12:50 PM
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Yeah if he was "very handsome" then he wouldn't be involuntarily single. I'm not very handsome, just regular good-looking, high inhibition with no flirting ability at all, and casual sex is pretty easy and finding a gf is trivial.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 12:46 PM
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Agreed, men care about careers and rarely interclass date, but I wouldn't say they are attracted to a career. Neither are women, but the nuance is that women can be attracted to the social status that certain career paths give you. Pro athlete, DJ, actor, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 12:34 PM
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What are you talking about? Tons of smart, ambitious, respectful guys are single and complain about this exact thing. Try dating as a man, you will see that personality alone doesn't get you very far.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 05:50 PM
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I actually fully agree with you. The way we think about class is kind of silly but if you come from money and have a degree from a prestigious school you will be considered part of the PMC even with a lower paying job. Although anecdotally the finance guys I know do tend to date finance girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 09:36 AM
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Yup and almost all the guys I know work out hard, wear tailored clothes, and have an expensive skincare routine. Just tend to see a lot more "matches" than what is espoused on this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:35 PM
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Volleyball? There is no shortage of 6'4 guys and 6'0 girls in any competitive volleyball related groups I have been in.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:24 PM
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he’s always been really successful with women. Ah the classic reddit short ugly guy that is super successful with women. Still waiting for the day I encounter one of these leprechauns in real life. Been waiting 28 years!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:20 PM
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I'm an UMC borderline UC professional, and so are 95% of people I make daily contact with. I find UMC women to be MUCH more strict on looks for their partners than what people on this forum seem to experience. Like I literally only know two couples where the women is dating down looks wise. I kind of suspect that might be a class thing. Anybody have similar experiences or a reason they might think this is the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:08 PM
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Agreed. I am a UMC professional as are almost all peers and nooo one is dating working class women, not even casually.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:04 PM
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People who think 6'6 is "too tall" don't hang out with tall people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 08:58 PM
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The brogrammer is a trope for a reason. Lots of former athletes and frat guys going into the tech because of the insane money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 08:57 PM
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I have dated girls who are 6'1 and 6'0, both very attractive and I am 5'11. No issues at all dating taller girls and I play volleyball so I've met lots of girls who are 6'2 or 6'3 who I would go out with if I wasn't taken. I would rather date a 6 foot girl than a 5 foot girl tbh. Would hate for my kids to be short.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 06:38 PM
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Yeah the lifetime average is like 5. Tons of guys only have sex with their college girlfriend and the girl they marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 04:08 PM
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Business idea: an app that matches women who say "the bar is on the floor" and "my only standard is that he treats me well" with the dozens of guys I know who are single, caring, respectful, and have high-earning stable jobs who get almost no romantic attention. Anyone else in?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 02:20 PM
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I had the same number at 22 but that is statistically false. Its still more than most guys will have in their lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 01:57 PM
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For sure, a lot of women's sexual exposure, especially in teens & early 20s, will be with guys having FAR more sex than the average dude. So I can see how it throws off their perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 01:56 PM
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how hard it is to find a quality guy to keep dating It is just as hard for men to find a quality women though. And we don't have nearly as many options to pick from.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 01:52 PM
1

Why not? If you have high standards and are ugly, good looking women won't sleep with you just because of game.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 01:51 PM
2

Yeah wages haven't been tied to physical production in like...200 years
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 01:49 PM
2

Naw I've seen some incels with pretty strong game. The issue is mostly the standards thing like the OP said. Like I know dudes who are fucking funny and charismatic but are like a 3 looks-wise but think they deserve a 6 because of their confidence. So then they don't get laid and are incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 12:35 PM
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Confident charismatic guy who is better looking that you = probably just wants sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 02:21 PM
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It is way worse than anything in the inc3l subreddit. Its very telling that FDS is allowed but blackpill isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 09:25 PM
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"good character, responsible adult, treats his partner like a queen" These guys are basically in unlimited supply though and a lot of them do terribly in dating. Its not like you need a special strategy to seek them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 09:22 PM
1

neuchatel?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/21 08:04 PM
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Looks. And I am saying that as someone who dating is easy for. I'm grateful dating is easy for me while at the same time sympathetic to those who aren't as fortunate as I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 09:50 PM
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You are exactly on the mark. 95% of the problems FDS complains about are from going for the most attractive guy possible that gives them any attention without a regard for other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 09:48 PM
2

Don't forget 1000s people in an askreddit thread posting E=√ mc
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 09:36 PM
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People who can date without complication are privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 09:34 PM
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The vast majority of men in their 30s don't have enough status or money to make a difference and lifting is a small part of how good you look that you max out on in 2 years unless you take gear anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:41 PM
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Fair enough can't argue with that. A 27 year old 7 will still take the 29 year old 7 over a 39 year old 9 though so I think the issue is more on the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 12:27 PM
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I seriously don't understand why poor people don't make smarter decisions, then they would all be rich like us.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 12:15 PM
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Based on my peer group and my experience in a couple dozen social groups. And if I remember correctly the number of non-religious women dating men +5 years their senior is less than 10%
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 12:03 PM
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But top 20% young girls are going to take top 20% guys their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 11:51 AM
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90% of the time looksmaxing provides the best ROI
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 11:49 AM
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It would still be dating down in looks though. Like I said, attractive women in their 20s have more than enough options of guys their age and slightly older.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 09:35 AM
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More fertile yes attractive no. You are going to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 09:34 AM
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I just want to know what world they're living in where misogyny is more tolerated than misandry. Imagine if #allwomenaretrash and #thebarisonthefloorforwomen were some of the most popular hashtags on tiktok.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 08:50 AM
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I'm a dude and this is so true. I have literally never encountered a millennial couple with more than a 3 year age gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 08:36 AM
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Most high value women strongly prefer to date around their own age though, and I say that as a guy. Not a single attractive, educated, high-earning woman I know is dating someone 3+ years her senior (late 20s). So educated, high income, attractive, tall guys in their mid 30s would be dating down in order to find someone younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 08:27 AM
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Idk if it counts as makeup but a lot of my guy friends are starting to use serums and other skincare products beyond facewash and moisturizer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 08:32 PM
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It is giving me goosebumps just thinking about it. Nothing pisses me off more than the concept of "fuck you, I got mine".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 08:31 PM
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Yeah I think the messaging to guys is wrong for this. Getting married isn't an excuse to stop taking care of yourself and women care just as much as men about appearance when it comes to enthusiasm for sex. Don't be surprised if you shave your head and gain 25 pounds and sex is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 05:32 PM
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Finasteride actually reduces the risk of prostate cancer. Also most men don't experience a reduction in libido but anecdotally I did have reduced "volume" but for me that is easily worth keeping my hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 08:57 AM
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Skin tone affects men very significantly too
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 08:30 AM
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Who is the bias towards? It is way more acceptable for women to have strict physical requirements than men. What do you think the ratio of girls with "must be taller than me" in their dating profiles to men? Probably 1000:1.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 08:03 AM
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I am a guy with very staunch pro-worker economic beliefs but also invest heavily in the market (although not atm with the market being disgustingly overinflated). Commie guys understand how fucking broken it is that you can make money by deploying capital and not actually doing any productive work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 07:52 AM
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Dick works very well, thanks for asking. side effects are extremely rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 06:48 PM
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It kind of makes sense though. For myself and a lot of guys any amount of fat is an automatic 0 in attractiveness. So if most people are fat than you are above average just by virtue of not being overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 05:43 PM
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I take finasteride
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 05:11 PM
2

Exactly. Behavior counts for nothing when you lose your hair and gain 30 pounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 03:03 PM
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Definitely an effort thing. The three biggest aging detractors - skin, hair, and fat - can all be maintained.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 03:02 PM
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I know I do but my girl refuses to even entertain the idea
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 02:59 PM
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Guys go from 6s to 3s in their late 20s and then wonder why their girlfriend isn't as enthusiastic about sex smh
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 02:45 PM
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Yes, people who are cucks for asset owners who make money sitting on their ass while we all work shitty unfulfilling 60 hour a week jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 08:36 AM
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TRP would be a lot more legitimate if they completely removed "game" from their philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 11:57 AM
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It would be entertaining as hell to watch though. Might be the cringiest video ever produced.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 11:54 AM
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I don't care about random evolutionary psychologists. The vast majority of research on this topic has women prioritizing physical attractiveness far above anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:51 PM
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I think the descriptor "to a certain extent" threw me off. Even if physical attraction is a bigger part of the equation for men than women, it is still by far #1 for both genders. Plus, 70k is by no means poor. What would a woman choose if the hot guy was unemployed or made 20k a year and the ugly / average guy made 120k? I choose those numbers on purpose, not girl would ever have to choose between 120k/ugly vs 20k/hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 09:42 PM
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Agree with the other posters, but here are some signs: People you are not dating call you cute, good looking, etc to your face At parties girls will start conversations with you Women your age are nice to you right away and remember your name Girls you are dating want to sleep with you frequently (assuming you are decent at sex) Girls will invite you to hang out with them or straight up ask you out
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 08:41 PM
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You can be kind, respectful, gentile etc and as long as you are good looking then it wont hinder you at all. And it increases your odds of finding a woman with similar traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 08:16 PM
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Women care less about a man’s physical appearance (to a certain extent — during ovulation, they prefer more masculine strong men) and focus more on status, success, resources, and basically what he can provide for her child. Not really when women are capable of providing for themselves. Hot guy making 70k a year is going to attract vastly more women than an average dude making 120k.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 08:11 PM
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This is one of the most thoughtful takes I have seen on this. Still doesn't make sense how many women lie about it with the anonymity of reddit though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 09:25 PM
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Not my fault you hang out with dusty dudes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 09:22 PM
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I just want to change the messaging to young boys that girls don't like you because of your personality. Tons of abusive, manipulative, selfish guys have girlfriends and tons of caring, interesting, confident guys are single. Just stop gaslighting the kids who don't have the social skills to figure it out naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 09:20 PM
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Guys aren't upset that they have to lower their standards, they are mad that people consider male sexlessness as a moral failing rather than an unlucky roll of the genetic dice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 07:05 PM
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Ok, but its rare and random enough to not be relevant in this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 07:02 PM
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I think you just don't know any good looking men then. Women go insane for visually attractive guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 06:57 PM
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No there aren't. I literally have never seen this in 28 years except for sugar babies
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 06:55 PM
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Relationships need much more than looks. They need stability, same general world views and lifestyles, sexual attraction, and lots of other areas of compatibility, like making her laugh, being intelligent enough to lead convos on her level, etc. Like everyone is already telling you in this thread, all these things are equally as important to guys as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 05:55 PM
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Their boyfriends are also fat and ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 05:31 PM
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This is exactly how is works for women too
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 05:23 PM
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No you don't. That only happens in movies or if you include sugar babies
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 04:53 PM
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Those two things enhance the attractiveness of a woman more than any personality traits for a guy. Funny girls SLAY
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 04:52 PM
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Also 19/20 physically attractive women are dating physically attractive men. If men could improve their attractiveness through personality certainly it would be more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 04:21 PM
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Its impossible on a society wide scale. For every average looking man dating a good looking woman, there statistically has to be a good looking man dating an average looking woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 04:19 PM
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Male beauty is just as important, it just manifests in different ways
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 08:15 AM
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There isn’t one. There is an anti-incel bias, thankfully, and Incels are male. Femcels and even FDSers don’t have the history of brigading, bad faith arguing, nihilistic whining, and everything else that makes them really fucking annoying Some of the FDS shit that gets posted here is straight up disgusting and way worse than any blackpill content I have ever seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 08:07 AM
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Bad Canadian reality show*. My college roommates and I used to laugh at this show for hours, no way you can take "game" seriously after watching it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 06:38 PM
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I feel like the reason I can't take redpill that seriously is because of the show keys to the vip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr2haKUEStU
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 04:20 PM
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Pretty much all my attractive girl friends though are dating conventionally attractive guys and all my less attractive friends are with less attractive guys. People of either gender dating noticeably uglier/better-looking people is like 1/20 max.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 03:52 PM
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Yes but partner count is not normally distributed. But hey everyone who disagrees with you must be an idiot right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 11:52 AM
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Agree. Which is why I wish everyone could spend a month dating as an ugly person of the opposite gender so men can see: having sex with a someone using you as a fleshlight gets old real fast and so women can see: they aren't moral arbiters of dating and judge men almost entirely on things outside their control.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 11:09 AM
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The real world? Do guys you know all get an equal amount of casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 10:52 AM
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yeah I agree, dating as an ugly women fucking sucks too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 10:49 AM
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I did well with women before I started dating my amazing fiance and I am under 6' tall so I guess I did alright despite my apparently shitty personality! Not everyone who disagrees with you is a loser but that is easier for you to think. I was just saying that a 5'5" guy who does incredibly well with attractive women and has first pick of who to date is incredibly, incredibly rare and should not be used as the basis of any argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 08:34 AM
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Men are easily more shallow than women. Women can absolutely be shallow. Men more so. More of them are and more of them care so much deeper about appearance. I wish every women who said this could spend a moth living as a short ugly dude so this argument can die. Women are absolutely as shallow about looks as guys and I guarantee that FDS women would do poorly based on how ugly their personalities are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 08:26 AM
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How attractive are the girls he dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 08:14 AM
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We should start a collection of reddit threads for when this argument comes up. I have seen dozens of threads saying that women don't care about looks at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 08:11 AM
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they suddenly want to fuck aggressive ugly dudes. That was such a delusional thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 08:07 AM
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Having someone that you are able to be open to and vulnerable to. Someone that you can level with on a day-to-day basis, someone that has your back. I just like having people on my team. My family, friends, SO, all support me and that helps me. Not in building a business directly, I agree with you, I would build faster completely by myself. But knowing some extremely successful 8-figure people personally, legacy and success and money don't matter without a network to share your success in.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 11:16 PM
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Smart
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 11:10 PM
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This doesn't matter for most men though since there are wayyyy more guys with good personalities than guys who are physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 11:10 PM
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I live in a big NA city and know zero 5'5" who do well so I'm going to call cap. unless they are incredibly popular with ugly women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 11:08 PM
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Yeah lots of guys on roids who have higher T levels than every man born before 1900 who can't get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 11:02 PM
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Looks like rich 1800s chads. And they were still probably 170cms
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 11:01 PM
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sell it off right now or lose all your money like the gme idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 10:58 PM
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Attractive guys date down more than women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 10:54 PM
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I agree with you that growing a business is worthwhile and doing it while in a relationship is tough, but also making a legacy business is like a 1/10,000 shot. Is that worth giving up a meaningful and fruitful relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 10:53 PM
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Productivity takes a hit for sure, but also productivity isn't a good measure of value. I would rather have the love and support of a significant other than try and be a machine 24/7. Also too many guys let their GFs become time vampires. Establish boundaries. No I am not going to wander homesense with you for 3 hours instead of doing a few necessary things for the side business.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 10:49 PM
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Lmao seriously, I know 0 hot girls dating ugly assertive guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 10:32 PM
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Women who say ugly assertive couldn't get a hot guy anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 10:31 PM
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This is how you know who has more leverage in the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 10:28 PM
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Its not as extreme as 20%, but women definitely have pretty high standards to consider someone physically attractive. Face>>>height>statusmuscle>class>money>game but the last four of those are hard to acquire and don"t matter nearly as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 10:28 PM
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Dogecoin is just another dumb meme pump and dump investment that is being hyped up by some discord chat behind the scenes. If you have made any money on it sell it off right now or lose all your money like the gme idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 10:23 PM
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Yeah they are definitely up there as well. I have a friend with 8,000,000 monthly listeners on spotify and he fucked so much women are permanently ruined for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 04:42 PM
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That is, if you have liberal parents, the kid could possibly rebel with conservatism instead. And the other way around. My parents are "socially liberal fiscally conservative" (barf) and my siblings and I are all socialist who are moderates on the wokeness scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 04:03 PM
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I was in a family with 3 boys and 1 girl my sister probably got 2/3rds of the total parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 03:57 PM
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He means good info relative to bad info
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 03:53 PM
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Pro/college athletes fuck more than any other genre of guy and its not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 12:28 PM
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I agree with your premise, but most of that bottom 80% would not be attractive enough for casual sex no matter what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 12:20 PM
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Seriously, that might be the least self aware comment I have ever seen on reddit. Poopy is the Larisa Latynina of arguing in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 12:16 PM
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The instagram boyfriend is a meme for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 12:10 PM
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Man I am so glad my in-laws are chill people who I get along with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 12:08 PM
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The girls are dating attractive guys as well
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 05:16 PM
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Just seeing if it is one of reasons why my dating experience is so different to some people on reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 01:34 PM
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Yeah those were the variables I considered as well. I think the main reason though is that there really isn't any reason to settle in terms of looks. Plenty of attractive people with their shit together to date in big cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 01:21 PM
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Just saying none of them are dating average dudes with the wit of the irish and a heart of gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 12:56 PM
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You are mad at the wrong people
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 12:52 PM
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Does anyone else suspect lookism has something to do with socioeconomics? My friend group is pretty much all attractive UMC white collar normies, and all of us (men & women) have attractive partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 12:39 PM
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You can be smart as a chad too. A few I know that excel in front office finance roles because appearances are super important and they bank 200k+ in their 20s (and are not high up in the corporate chain). And even the ones that don't have great jobs, have cool, nice, attractive girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 08:44 AM
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Both fair points. Someone making 50k at 30 who has been working evenings and weekends developing skills and business plan have a much better shot than a 45 year old with 2 kids working in insurance. But its still less than <1% either way. And I would question the value in a prenup with less than 7 figure net worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 08:38 AM
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The tax cuts were so blatantly pro corporation though I don't know how anyone could think he was for the people after that. He was also anti-public healthcare, anti-worker's rights, and gutted welfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 11:44 AM
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Class mobility in the USA is among the lowest in the developed world.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 09:32 AM
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USA left wing is caught in a death spiral of woke centrism for sure, but I'm not sure how you can call the modern right economically left wing when their major policy of the last 5 years was to cut taxes on the rich and raise them for everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 09:26 AM
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Keep in mind this guy thinks the covid stats are faked, so I would be careful taking them at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 09:18 AM
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4 months later and my smelling is still at like 60%
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 09:13 AM
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Bottom line the epidemiological statistics do not support the policies which have been instituted to the great detriment of billions. I think I will trust the actual epidemiologists on this, not some random redditor that clearly spends too much time on conspiracy facebook groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 09:12 AM
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You don't need to be successful to date attractive women. Plenty of nobody guys out there making 50k and still hooking up with hotties. Women will only care about success if you are a famous DJ or actor or athlete. Anything less doesn't move the needle much.
/r/ExRedPill01/02/21 11:19 PM
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First of all, athletes definitely do not peak in their 30s, as a human your physical prime is 100% in your 20s. The last 10 NBA mvp winners were 25, 24, 28, 28, 27, 26, 25, 28, 27, 22. And I'm not even talking about career success, I'm talking about your peak attractiveness to women in their 20s, which will also be in your 20s. ​ #2 What about a 40 year old man who own a nice home, a nice summer home, two cars, makes $250,000 a year and is in relatively good shape? I believe that is who the OP i…
/r/ExRedPill01/02/21 11:17 PM
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I know plenty of guys who make 100k+ and have built successful businesses in their 20s. And I guarantee 100% that any 25 year old girl that has a choice would rather date a good-looking guy her age than your overweight dad in his 40s. This is the kind of thinking that leads to young women being harassed all the time by older men who think they still have it.
/r/ExRedPill01/02/21 09:32 PM
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Naw no women worth a damn is dating a guy in their 40s when she is in her 20s. They are dating attractive successful guys their own age.
/r/ExRedPill01/02/21 09:19 PM
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Also as an UMC/UC guy, its also that you just don't ever meet uneducated women. Women without college degrees aren't exactly common at Equinox or Nobu or McKinsey.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 09:13 PM
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idk where you live but in most big cities women make more than men pre-children.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 09:02 PM
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The school you went to is generally more important than the degree though
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 08:58 PM
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I agree that men can increase their SMV in their 30s relative to women in their 30s if they work at it and don't get fat or bald. But if you were already working out and dressing well at 26 you will be more attractive than you are at 36 to women in their 20s.
/r/ExRedPill01/02/21 08:46 PM
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Game. If you can talk to women without being anxious and throw in the occasional flirt that is all the social skill you need. None of the guys I know who were best with women used game at all and game has the potential to backfire because you come across as inauthentic. Also men do not increase their overall attraction by aging. The vast majority of non-religious relationships have an age gap of two years and if you are peaking in your 30s it just means you didn't try in your 20s.
/r/ExRedPill01/02/21 07:05 PM
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If you are only making 50k a year the chances of you suddenly gaining an immense amount of wealth are unbelievably small.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 04:23 PM
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Damn forgot to read the username and accidentally responded to Atlas. Carry on responding to comments purposefully misunderstanding them or without using any context whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 02:44 PM
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Maybe there is a better way of phrasing it but if you read the rest of the sentence it makes sense. The whole subreddit operates on the assumptions that 1. All men are inherently terrible 2. All women are inherently good 3. Anything bad a woman does is internalized misogyny. So it results in a permanent YAS QUEEN circlejerk with no room for discussion which is why I'm surprised people actually spend a lot of time there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 01:36 PM
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I'm not really concerned about what makes men attractive here. Just how it is mathematically possible that dating up is more common for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 01:27 PM
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I'm just talking purely physical attractiveness in this example.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 11:29 AM
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I am probably biased by mostly seeing the posts that hit the front page, but it just looks through the world in a very narrow, very pro-women lens that has no room for nuance or discussion. Like if an alien only had knowledge of humanity through that subreddit, they would think men are these abhorrent monsters and women are angels sent from heaven to hold the line against evil men. But maybe I'm just jealous men don't have a subreddit where we can be critical of women and receive huge outpouring…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 09:07 AM
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For sure you are onto something. This sounds bad, but in the "mismatched" relationships I have seen there is definitely a power dynamic that tilts hard in favour of the more attractive partner. This usually manifests as a women controlling the man socially and financially or a man acting selfishly and lazily expecting a bangmaid. 100% of the guys I have seen date up significantly though were blue pilled to the extreme though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 08:47 AM
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As a guy, you are right, pretty all my girl friends are much better about maintaining relationships and keeping contact, by a large margin. My guy friends are a hell of a lot funnier though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 11:49 PM
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A lot of women's dating problems would be solved by dating guys on their level right off the bat. PSA to all women, if a guy is better looking than you and not willing to seriously commit early then do not sleep with him (unless that is all you want).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 11:46 PM
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Dating someone on your level is not a guarantee of good treatment, but trying to date up is a surefire way to get burned over and over again. This goes for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 11:40 PM
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I couldn't agree with you more and yeah based on my lived experience on two different continents the top few guys get unlimited options and average guys have few. In the relatively small city (400k) city I live in now, some of them are basically minor celebrities. However if women are staying single and cheating with top guys, that would mean men would be dating down more often than women though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 11:34 PM
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It's really hard to judge your own appearance so its not an easily solvable problem. But if you are overweight then overweight men would be at your level. If you have a pretty face without make up then men with good jawlines would be on your level. If you grew up middle class, middle class men would be on your level, etc. Unfortunately and unfairly, asian men and black women will be a couple levels lower than they would otherwise. Also its a lot harder to find your level as a woman because guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 11:28 PM
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As a guy, you are 100% right, and PPD inspired me to not fall into the trap of letting my GF plan my social life. At the same time, I don't think it's as sinister as people in this thread are making out, men just prioritize different things. Like do I get frustrated that girls don't keep up with economics, history, politics, sports, and other hobbies as much? A little bit but I understand that is a trade off with spending more time cultivating relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 11:16 PM
1

Still doesn't makes sense on a relative scale unless the women are sharing the top guys en masse.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 10:58 PM
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I agree with that, but that means speaking from a looks perspective, there still must be an equal number of girls dating up as guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 10:56 PM
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The third category of guys who don't try is the biggest and most interesting to me. Why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 10:54 PM
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Do people fr unironically browse r/TwoXChromosomes?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 10:32 PM
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A LOT of under 25 guys are virgins these days. Even pretty cool normal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 10:32 PM
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Imagine having a superiority complex about being religious in 2021
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 10:31 PM
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So statistically, he will almost always "date up" because on average he'll be ranked much lower by women than she will be ranked by men. That's why I had relative, not absolute attractiveness as a caveat.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 10:20 PM
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Makes sense, its the same thing with guys as well. Women who are really good in bed are more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 09:37 PM
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Can someone help me out with some math here. A common trope is that men up in terms of attractiveness more often than women. Would that not be mathematically impossible though? Let's say we have 10 men and 10 women in a small town. If the most attractive women (we'll call her w10) is dating the 4th most attractive guy (m10), that would mean that the three most attractive guys would have to date down as a result. This applies to relative attractiveness, not absolute and concerns long-term dating,…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 09:28 PM
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So you are saying women don't need to be attracted to their partner to have good sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 09:18 PM
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That wasn't the point of my comment. I was just pointing out that using the FDS system, you are vetting out every HVM.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 09:08 PM
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I wouldn't say haunt because I have never had a severe break up but I definitely underestimated how into me certain girls I slept with were and were probably hoping for a relationship that would never happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 09:05 PM
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But the same conclusion can be made for guys as well? If a girl doesn't offer to split or pay on the first date I'm going to assume she isn't interested. And as a high value guy, no way I am going to date someone that isn't really into me off the bat.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 08:59 PM
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You nailed it. Making future partners pay for the mistakes of your past partners is an easy and tempting trap to fall into
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 08:53 PM
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This is some peak /r/confdentlyincorrect combined with American ignorance of the world shit lmao. On earth was a hyperbole but you really should get out more if you think that middle America is peak appearance wise. People in Europe/Japan/Korea are way skinnier and better dressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 08:44 PM
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Which part of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 08:35 PM
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As someone who moved to Europe, moving continents is just a really intense experience that forces you to be very deliberate in all your choices about your life. Also middle America might be the place on earth where people least take care of their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 03:58 PM
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If you are dating smokeshows I highly doubt you actually have an ugly face.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 03:52 PM
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" unless the women is ugly herself. "
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 03:28 PM
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Please show me the women lining up to have sex with ugly dudes
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 01:12 PM
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I'm a successful guy who spends time here because I want to dispel the red pill myths that a lot of younger guys fall into by reading reddit too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 12:32 PM
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You are misunderstanding his response though. Attractive guys can be terrible in bed, sure, but ugly guys will not be good in bed even with good technique unless the women is ugly herself. Attraction + technique = satisfying sexual experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 12:29 PM
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I actually agree with a lot of FDS but this is probably their stupidest take. "Good men" are all going to have offering to split on a date as a requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 12:21 PM
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I'll be the first to admit I'm a pussy, but I'm also 6'0 athletic and good looking so I also get pussy. Thank goodness the redpill isn't right or I would be fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 12:01 PM
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Too many broken women on this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 11:38 AM
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I mean do you have any reason to have high standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 09:35 PM
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Most women don't date bald men if they can avoid it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 09:14 PM
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Caring about the looks of your partner is shallow no matter how attractive you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 04:32 PM
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Yeah but as long as you're not weird and fine talking to women (which I was) then it you don't need to worry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 11:29 AM
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Yeah the lack of empathy on this forum is pretty shocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 11:09 AM
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Same. Good thing I had enough experience with women in my teens to figure it out. I remember a couple times liking a pretty girl, talking to them all the time, and getting along really well. Then she would hook up with another guy who she barely knew and I was so confused (because that didn't happen in TV shows!) But I'm not a dumbass and figured out the reason the girls were more attracted to these guys is that they were better looking than me so I fixed my skin, built muscle, and never had iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 10:57 AM
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If you were poor you would place a lot of weight on getting out of poverty. If you are lonely you would place a lot of weight on relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 10:49 AM
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As someone who grew up an elite, I disagree. Most of us are only concerned with paying lower taxes, ensuring the generational transfer of wealth, and maintaining the status quo. Not good for the majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 10:40 AM
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If women weren't shallow then you would see no correlation between a women's attractiveness and the attractiveness of her partner. In reality the r value is fairly close to 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 10:28 AM
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Women dont have their shit together any more than men. Why would you think this is the case
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 03:03 PM
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I know plenty of guys like mme_advocate describes and they would be happy with an average gf but they can't even get that. Only caveat is that they usually only would date within their class.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 10:34 AM
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Just as hard for men to find a decent women, and they have way less options to choose from as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 10:03 AM
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I don't date anyone who doesn't have a green light reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 09:51 AM
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I would go as far as saying that more men than women would take a 6 that would be a good parent over a difficult 8. At least that's what I have seen in my bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 01:38 AM
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I would say women complaining about fuckbois is the equivalent. If you are getting routinely failing at getting commitment from men then you are not attractive enough for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 02:27 PM
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Agree. Easiest way to guarantee frequent sex is to marry someone less attractive than yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 09:02 AM
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women dont rely on looks Just retorting this tired argument
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 08:32 AM
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There are no attractive men that don't get pussy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 08:29 AM
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Men complaining that women aren't as horny is a dead giveaway that they are not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 08:27 AM
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Normie women want to get a boyfriend and live in the suburbs and do whatever trendy shit their friends are doing and have babies eventually. Or some version of that. Those women do not take rejection for sex well either, having dated a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 08:24 AM
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As the guy in a couple with the exact same timeline I think 5 years is a fair expectation to have a decision made
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 10:03 PM
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They would marry chad if they could, but they can't so they don't and backsolve the justification to protect their ego. Any guy who has slept casually with a decent amount of women will know that the majority will push for a long term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 09:47 PM
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This is pretty rare though. 7s dating 4s would be fairly exceptional and an attractive girl dating a string of schlubs is basically non-existent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 07:05 PM
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I think I know what he means though. Like 90% of couples are the same race, socioeconomic status and attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 05:08 PM
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Same frequency as average guy with hot girl
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 01:18 PM
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Naw red pill thinks you could overcome ugliness by being charismatic. Most of the replies in this thread state that looks are non-negotiable for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 10:17 AM
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I think people have a greater capacity to be attracted to partners "on their level" so to speak. Still genuine attraction though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 10:06 PM
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Not really, every 8+ girl I know is dating an 8+ guy. And I know a bunch of brilliant, interesting, fun dudes who are starved for attention from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 10:03 PM
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I know two couples like that (out of 300 or so couples on my instagram), but the guy's personalities aren't "great" by this subs standards. They are both complete doormats who have given control of their life to their wives to a ridiculous degree. Nice guys, but nothing special and seems like a very steep price to pay. And even then one of the guys is 6'5". I agree that average guy + hot girl is infinitely more rare than what is espoused on reddit. I think people just have way lower standards fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 09:54 PM
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Do you think that's more likely than an average looking girl with a great personality dating a hot dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 09:48 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Instagramreality/comments/kudf8v/some_male_body_positivity_for_a_change_i_know_not/ Literally an entire thread from today filled to the brim with women saying that looks don't matter and that women are less shallow than men. If you are an impressionable young kid going through that thread you are going to have a warped viewpoint and be in for a painful dating experience. Granted this is way more prevalent on reddit than in real life, where 99% of women would laugh at you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 09:42 PM
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If you want to date hot women then you need to be attractive yourself. If I wanted to date average looking girls then I wouldn't care as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 09:38 PM
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Are you good looking yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 09:35 PM
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Agree as a guy, I am shocked by the number of girls who say their boyfriend doesn't go down on them and my girlfriend's sister's fiance is the poster-child for low value bum-boy. I think the equivalent for guys is how low the bar is for women in terms of being funny/interesting. Any girl who has the slightest sense of humour is revered among my guy friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 10:29 AM
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That's fair, my experience has mostly been with attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 02:25 PM
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As another guy who hangs out with guys who have maxed most changeable things, I can second pretty much everything you have said.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 11:25 PM
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Lol the mythical short ugly toad men who slay based on their force of personality. A good PPD trope, but I've been to 100+ of bars and still never come across this creature.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 11:19 PM
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Myself and many, many, many other men can verify that is not true
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 11:13 PM
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I think you did a good job of explaining the difference in how women express attraction. In practice though I don't think it makes of a difference as you say. An attractive women won't actually date a short guy with tattoos & piercings, because she can easily find a tall guy with tattoos & piercings. The most attractive girls will generally find the most attractive guys (in the appropriate niche) and pair up unless it is a really closed system.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 11:02 PM
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Not in europe though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 10:51 PM
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She is a rocket as with 99% of girls making money without any talent on the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 10:46 PM
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Omg can you imagine if this was actually true. I know so many guys who would be absolutely drowning in options
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 10:43 PM
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Then why are 95% of attractive women dating attractive guys? I guess attractive guys just have the best personalities too!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 05:44 PM
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Doesn't make a difference in practice though as most girl's looks threshold is pretty much even with her own looks level.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 05:40 PM
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Hot women date hot men. Average women date average men. Ugly women date ugly men. The dust settles eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 04:42 PM
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Remove makeup from the equation and it would be a lot closer. The amount of women who drop 3 points without makeup is larger than you think. And guys don't have anything close as powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 04:39 PM
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Fair enough I think I just don't hang out with women like that very often
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 04:35 PM
2

Where do you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 04:17 PM
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Yeah some people here haven't lived with enough girls. Lots of women look unrecognizable without makeup. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 04:16 PM
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Agreed. I went from invisible to head-turner in one year when I was younger. Get fit, lose fat, dress well, fix your skin, or else don't complain. Not guaranteed by any means, but there are extra steps you can take if you want to go further. In my experience too many young guys get caught up on the confidence & charisma stuff. Focus on your looks, hang out with women, and the rest will come naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 04:08 PM
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I've hung out with ugly pro athletes and women don't give a fuck about them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 03:51 PM
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As someone who has rallied against it, its not necessarily that it is disgusting, its just that the few girls I know who did date older men were beat as fuck. So when TRPers brag about dating girls in their 20s I just think of the bipolar chubby uni dropout girls that had to resort to dating older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 06:46 PM
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Because you are probably smart. Plenty of dumb women around to salivate over the hot morons.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 06:38 PM
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I see the reverse more commonly personally. But also myself and almost all guys I associate with hit the gym, dress well, get frequent haircuts, have a skincare routine, and are good socially, so it probably just depends on what groups you hang out with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 06:30 PM
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Well being shallow for a women is considered the worst thing ever and for men it is tolerated which is why you see so much virtue signaling from the chicks on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 05:39 PM
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People just can't help to give themselves the benefit of the doubt. It would take a top tier amount of self-awareness to realize you are dating your partner mostly for looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 05:08 PM
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Maybe in college and below that happens but now most of my regular guy peers have matched with regular girls
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 04:51 PM
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Agree, I have 0 game but am good looking and fit and it doesn't hinder me at all. Many times I'm out and girls I'm with will be approached by guys not in their league trying to use game and the results are pathetic every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 03:39 PM
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And you probably don't fit anyone's definition of "Stacey" either. But all that matters is that you find each other attractive and are happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 03:35 PM
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You hear it all the time (on reddit at least, even one of the replies in this post) that women don't care about looks. So according to redpillers, a neckbeard with top tier game should be able land attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 01:48 PM
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Game is mostly a myth, as long as you have decent social skills it is nowhere near as important as looks or status. I should know, 0 game but still have done quite well. Dating shows and shows like Big Brother are super blackpilled, it is never the most charming or interesting guys who are the most successful, its almost always the best looking. Love Is Blind was the most hilarious example of this, where one of the girls fell in love with a guy just talking to him but then when she saw him in pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 01:44 PM
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Women are way more kind & forgiving about looks, I don't think this is true or else you would constantly see attractive women with ugly guys which rarely happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 01:35 PM
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I want my girlfriend to be attracted to me, not scared of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:36 PM
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I agree with the premise, but western society is introverted compared to Latin and Mediterranean cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 08:45 AM
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If you want to be with a virgin the time was high school junior year, not 30 haha
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 08:42 AM
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If "Kevin" was actually fairly good-looking then it would be almost impossible not to have a decent dating life. I am also a "Kevin": pretty boring, anxious, and shy the first few times you meet me, although I still party. Still have no issues dating and finding high quality women. Although none of them were virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 08:38 AM
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Its also why people think men punch above their weight more than women. See a top 40% man and a top 40% women walking together in the street and most people will think "wow, how did that guy land her."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 08:29 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships Non-religious men in their 40s do not date women in their 20s with any semblance of regularity. I think the other commentators calling out how ridiculous your original comment was just reinforces how rare it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 12:36 PM
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Sure but it is pretty rare except for the couple years after
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 09:41 AM
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The job market metaphors work so well for revealing the stupidity of some of the posts in here about the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 09:24 AM
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For sure. I've been quite successful in dating but probably 75% of the women I've slept with are through a co-ed sport I play. If I decided to put that time into a solitary hobby like gaming or woodworking my dating life would have been a completely different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 09:20 AM
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Beard also helps with round cheeks, which look ridiculous when you aren't even fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 09:18 AM
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College is definitely not your last opportunity, but I would say like 75% of quality partners are taken by 1-2 years after.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 09:16 AM
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When I was in uni the 20 year old women were chasing 21 year old men who were good-looking and had status on campus. They would have laughed a 30 year old out of the bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 09:08 AM
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You are delusional and living too much on the internet and I am saying that as a guy. I literally do not know a single women who has dated a guy (even casually) over the age of 30 and I am 27. The vast majority of non-religious relationships have an age difference of less than two years.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 09:02 AM
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For men (and some women), losing your hair can do a number as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 08:53 AM
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TRP thinking older men have an advantage in dating younger women over men the same age is probably their dumbest idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 08:48 AM
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For 10% of men it doesn't really matter, especially if you have darker skin. 80% makes you materially worse looking. The last 10% is men who have very fair skin and weirdly shaped heads where it completely changes your appearance for the worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 08:46 AM
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Most women won't date bald guys
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 08:43 AM
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They don't for most people
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 08:42 AM
0

Why do you think that is a big number?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 11:28 AM
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Its way more than 0.01%. I'm not even that good looking and it happens to me fairly often at bars and parties. And I know guys like your friend who can sit down at a bar, and guaranteed within 20 minutes girls approach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:27 AM
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Always blew my mind that people consider the gender that dresses better, spends way more time on instagram, and is dominant in crafting spaces and the design community the "less visual gender".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:24 AM
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Tons of men still struggle despite having great personalities and hygiene though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 10:21 AM
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We don't blame women for judging men on looks. Its totally fair and men do the same. Men are just tired of the holier-than-though hypocrisy of women saying they choose men based on the value of their character when they are just as shallow as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 10:19 AM
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I guess it depends where you are located. In major cities in Europe and NA 90% of guys do all of those, in my experience. Although my experience is probably influenced by my privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 10:05 AM
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Yeah well-socialized guys are the most "blackpilled" group in my experience, counter to the OP. If you've been socializing with girls and going to parties since you were 15 then you realize how important looks are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 09:58 AM
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YES, this is the argument I never understood from the personality crowd. There is a boring, shitty women out there for every boring, shitty man. Some of the guys I know most successful with women can barely hold a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 09:54 AM
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Like 95% of people pair up with someone of similar attractiveness though, so it can't really be too subjective
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 09:51 AM
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My assumption is that attractiveness is distributed evenly throughout each gender. So if you are arguing from the point of view that women are overall more attractive than men (i.e there are more female 8s than male 8s) is the only way that it wouldn't add up. The large majority of men outside of religious communities marry within 2-3 years of their own age so I don't think that would make a material impact. And most cities are basically closed systems considering most people don't move to impro…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 04:40 PM
1

Preach. That's the only reason people think women date down consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 12:14 PM
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Wouldn't there have to be an equal number of relationships where the guy is better-looking and the girl is more attractive, going by the maths.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 12:12 PM
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I call it "micro status" and it is a super underrated concept on here. I have never done better with women than when I was the best volleyball player at our pick-up group and organized the social events and brought new players in.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 12:09 PM
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Hot women with good personalities want hot men with good personalities. Neither part is really negotiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 12:00 PM
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If anything it makes it harder. As someone who has been there, where do you meet women and go on dates when you work basically non-stop from Monday to Sunday afternoon? How many times can you tell your girlfriend you have to cancel Saturday night plans because something came up? The world is so competitive these days that making it to the top of any field requires an autistic single-mindfulness that is not really compatible with good relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 11:57 AM
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Why do you think that men don't deal with these exact same issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 06:29 AM
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Except the large majority of relationships have a 2 years or less age gap, especially in western society and especially among young people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 06:25 AM
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The amount of over 25 guys dating under 25 girls is a very small % of relationships though which is where your argument falls apart
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 06:23 AM
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Move to Toronto. I have sooooo many well educated, super clever guy friends who are perpetually single.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:14 PM
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Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 05:29 PM
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That's what I mean. If you are the smallest guy in the room at 200 then the others are fat, not gladiators.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 08:57 PM
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If you are over 200lbs and 5'11 you are either fat or on juice and a dedicated bodybuilder. And I'm saying that as someone who has abs and an "overweight" bmi
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 07:39 PM
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Have you seen the women though. Gotta be at like 98%
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:58 PM
1

And I honestly cant believe age gaps are as common as people in this thread are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 09:03 AM
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I think previous presidential candidates just didn't know you could stoop that low and still be considered a serious option.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 09:00 AM
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You can fuck girls casually while preparing for top tier jobs. These are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 08:57 AM
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Nope major cities and I'm pretty social. Toronto, St. Louis & Brussels. It might be a class thing though because my social circle is 90% upper middle class and upper class.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 06:16 PM
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Sounds like a lot of guys I know but without the "inbetween". Have a high school or early college fling. Then start dating someone at the end of college and marry them 5 years later.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 06:09 PM
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And pretty much unheard of if you are talking about attractive college educated women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 05:56 PM
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That's exactly what I did when I was 22 with a solid amount of success. I have noooo intentions of being the weird 30 year old lurking around campus bars
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 05:54 PM
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Actually better than that, I have never met anyone with more than a 5-year age gap. And its not like I am some shut-in. Which is why this thread is mind blowing to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 05:46 PM
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An attractive 22 year old women is still going to take the peak 25 year old over the peak 30 year old though
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 06:26 AM
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Where the fuck do you live that hot 22 year olds are dating 35 year old accountants lol. And by far the most common age gap is less than two years difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 06:09 AM
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As a dude in that age range no one is. And when I was in college attractive girls did not date older either. Like 90%+ of people I know date within 2 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 06:08 AM
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I think that's what people are missing here. Women who can get decent guys their own age aren't dating 5+ year older guys. It's almost always very low value women or sugar babies
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 06:06 AM
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Yeah I've lived in Canada, the US and Western Europe and have never once encountered a 30+ year old dating a college aged girl
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 06:04 AM
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Yeah I remember girls getting clowned for dating 25 year old guys in college. Let alone guys in their 30s lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 06:02 AM
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Video games I've kept about 5 hrs a week my adult life (not enough time!) but If I'm drinking with no obligation to be sober or responsible then its minimum 4 beers. Although overall I would say women in my age range are more fervent drinkers than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 06:01 AM
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Would you say your girlfriends are normal looking too
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 08:16 PM
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Plenty of boring and mean men have very successful sex lives though. How are these people "getting through the door"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 08:14 PM
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Idk. I've slept with women without saying anything more than let's go back to my place and seen it happen to my friends as well. Also sleeping with someone who doesn't share a language.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 08:12 PM
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I mean the term literally means a guy who will sleep with a girl but wont commit to her. It's a pretty common situation where a girl wants commitment but a guy wants to keep it more casual
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 08:06 PM
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I mean anyone social under the age of 30 has already seen this play out. A few of my guy friends could bang pretty much anyone they wanted, a few had occasional FWBs and one night stands, and the majority only had sex within long term relationships with no casual sex at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 07:08 PM
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The issue is that traditional social beliefs often come hand in hand with conservative economic beliefs too which are horrible for the lower classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 05:40 PM
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Have you heard of the term "fuckboy" before
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 05:32 PM
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Most people with significant dating experience are black pilled as well
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 08:06 PM
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You don't think most guy's teenage sex experiences aren't also horrible and traumatizing? Some of the shit my friends went though from teenage girls is absolutely horrifying
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 08:01 PM
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I am still looking forward to meeting one of these people "in the wild". 13 years of going out to bars and parties across a dozen countries and you think I would have met someone like this by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 06:35 PM
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I mean I could show you my facebook friends list and 90% of the couples would be pretty closely matched. You could do the same exercise in the NYT marriages section. I have to take public transport for a while every day and see an average guy/pretty girl pair once a week at most
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 06:29 PM
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If all your attractive girl friends are dating ugly guys then who are your good-looking guy friends dating ?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 06:28 AM
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If you played in university then try talking to former teammates. Usually the best leagues in a city aren't advertised anywhere and are invite only. At least thats how it works in volleyball.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 06:26 AM
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One person getting fat is their fault, I agree. Obesity increasing by 20% in 30 years is some society wide fuckery and blaming every single fat person gets you nowhere. I am 6 foot 180 and squat 3 plates for working sets and would never ever ever hook up with a fat person before you think I have a horse in this race.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 09:20 PM
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Nope volleyball, figure skating, gymnastics, tennis. Trust me it is all majority guys watching
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 09:11 PM
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Haha girlfriend watching rec league ball is a classic. And I work in pro sports and trying to attract female viewers is something the smartest people in the industry have tried for decades and no one has figured it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 09:07 PM
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The young women who date older guys are always low value though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 09:02 PM
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It doesnt actually change what people are attracted to though. Fat is still ugly. I think the point is just to stop people from feeling as much shame with doesnt usually end in healthy behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 09:01 PM
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Seen the same myself. Biggest mistake you can ever make in a relationship is gaining weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:59 PM
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If you cant find a good relationship by 30s then there is reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:54 PM
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I play volleyball which is probably the most popular sport for women and even that is at least 60% men playing post college. And in terms of watching the sport its 80% guys. Still better than 95% of baseball / football / baseball though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:51 PM
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I don't disagree with you but I'm sure most guys here have more experience with women than you no offense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:48 PM
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Women are definitely less intense & diverse about their hobbies but I don't think that is a bad thing. If I were to transfer some of the energy I put towards hobbies into friendships it would benefit me in a lot of ways
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:33 PM
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Same with guys tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:26 PM
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Good to hear your perspective, especially that last part is something I haven't thought of much before. What other details would they be scavenging for? But I'm sure the hotness of the boyfriend is a factor based on the sheer volume of how much girls chirp each other for having non-attractive boyfriends
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:35 PM
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I fully agree that excessive porn and gaming are a huge issue, but not for that reason. Porn and gaming has no effect on guys getting partners, because that is based mostly on how you look (as long as they are still going outside and socializing). But it will make them shitty partners because their dopamine receptors are so fried they need too much stimulation to have a successful relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:30 PM
1

I'm kind of socially retarded and I do WAY better than a lot of my extrovert friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:25 PM
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I'm pretty confident my kids will be the last non genetically-engineered generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:23 PM
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This has fundamentally changed with modern technology though. We have never existed in a world where productivity is so removed from manual labour
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:22 PM
2

In a non-fat European country and short bald guys are most certainly not hooking up with skinny pretty women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:18 PM
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Plenty of video game playing, porn-watching men kill it with women though. And lots of guys who abstain from them are virgin as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:17 PM
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Yup. Getting money and girls is super easy if you are born into the right situation. But there will ALWAYS be chump guys who think they are a temporarily embarrassed millionaire / chad and can get there if they just work hard enough and hear the right advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:11 PM
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Well its either a systemic issue or an issue with all women lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:03 PM
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As a guy porn for sure fucks with your ability to appreciate women. We're on like level 2 out of 10 for porn though and it is already messing us up. Once VR and deepfake porn really takes off that will be when relationships will truly be fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 05:58 PM
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Having a "cute" boyfriend on social media is HUGE for a women's status. When women talk about a guy they hooked up with 100% of the time the first question is "let me see his insta"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 05:50 PM
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Agree fully, but I can see how its an easy trap for women to fall into. In their head of course they would make a guy they are serious about wait, those one night stands were with fun hot party guys that they wouldn't date now. But guys want indicators of that raw physical attraction which breaks down with the inconsistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:33 PM
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Anyone making money without working is bad in my books. At least the government is building roads and schools. Money that I make for a company going to shareholders who have never worked a day in their life instead of me seems like stealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:20 PM
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No, rent seeking capitalists
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:10 PM
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Monopoly guy is certainly doing a good job of stealing part of their paycheck every month though while feeding talking points to the media about how poor people don't work hard enough despite America having one of the lowest rates of economic mobility in the developed world.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 11:30 AM
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Money is just a proxy for status anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 11:18 AM
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You can tell by the answers in this sub saying that they have never been asked out and they have to convince their girl to fuck that most guys are not 7+ lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 11:11 AM
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Literally things are more expensive and people are making less money. Yes individual responsible spending is important, but it is NOT the reason why people are poorer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 10:47 AM
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Same issue in western countries that aren't as plus-sized as the US
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 10:41 AM
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Lol I got a business degree and now I work in TV. I wouldn't say a business degree opens unlimited doors unless you go to Wharton or another top-ranked school.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 10:38 AM
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There is wayyyyy more rent seeking among the 0.1% wealth holders in America than poor people on programs. Look at how much worse inequality has gotten.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 10:33 AM
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A couple years out of college don't know too many virgin men but I know a lot of guys who don't really get a pick of who they date.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 06:19 PM
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Most people will attribute dating success to their hard work rather than any innate advantages . Dating is radically different across class. I have never once seen a women on here concede a point or change their opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 08:25 PM
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I do and it helps, that's why I said most. Also genetics greatly impacts how your body looks as well. I know some strong guys that barely look like they lift and some guys who just play sports twice a week who look jacked
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 07:36 PM
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And there are people who would call you a black piller for suggesting that attractive people date each other
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 06:02 PM
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​ Appearance is important for both men and women, but less women are willing to sleep with a guy just because he's good-looking. Does it really matter though? An attractive women who likes smart guys is still going to have attractiveness as a requirement. An attractive women who likes assholes is still going to have attractiveness as a requirement. Agree on your second point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 04:13 PM
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Mainly that women are as shallow as men when it comes to dating in terms of looks. Also that for men a lot (but not all) of your attractiveness is based on things you cannot change like face, race, and height.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 03:06 PM
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I was an awkward and shy with women but I was still invited to all the parties / bar nights and had plenty of options for FWBs and relationships due to being good looking. My friends who were more confident but uglier than me had to put in WAY more effort to date less attractive girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 03:02 PM
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I would say that most blackpill people dispute that the redpill works (except for improving your looks)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 10:05 AM
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I believe parts of the blackpill but am not an in cel. What would you like to discuss
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 10:02 AM
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Myself (and many others) believe the blackpill because of our dating experience, not because of our lack of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 10:01 AM
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I believe most of the blackpill and my economic views are quite socialist. I've also benefited quite a bit from the free market in both dating and money. You can reject identity politics and still be a leftist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 04:30 PM
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By people who don't work do you mean capital owners or those on welfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 04:26 PM
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Students are also spending way more time on schoolwork and extra curriculars that take away their socialization time. Getting into a good college is insanely more competitive now than it used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 07:57 AM
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Options, yes for sure. Tolerance for BS ? Women having sex with a smaller % of men (what this study suggests) indicates that they are putting up with more BS and fuckboy behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 07:55 AM
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Also the huge increase in in hours spent studying and working. And women no longer have to rely on guys for $ reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 07:49 AM
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Having an ugly boyfriend all over your instagram is social suicide for young women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 07:47 AM
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Class mobility is almost non existent in the US. Beta bucks is not really an option for 95% of men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 07:37 AM
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RP is constantly saying that ugly dudes can clean up with attractive women if their game is on point. Which never happens irl
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 05:22 PM
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Anyone who has gone from ugly to good-looking can tell you that this is unequivocally false
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 08:17 AM
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Except almost every billionaire leans right economically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 11:00 AM
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People still treat you way better if you are attractive. I have friends that get free shit all. the. time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 10:57 AM
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Thank goodness too. I got way better results focusing entirely on my appearance then working on cringey pick up techniques
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 10:52 AM
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churnthrowaway123456 is right. 33.2% of couples the husband is within one year. 20.4 % with 2-3 years older. So in 53.6% of couples (a majority) the husband is 3 or less years older
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:21 PM
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Lots of redpillers arguing with you in this thread but its true. Only low value girls date older because it basically means they werent able to get a high value guy their own age. In my social circle of mid-late 20s people literally everyone dates within 3 years of their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:03 PM
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Im that age and can concur. No one I know is dating someone in their 30s. It is pretty strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:57 PM
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Lots of good guys have options though
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:43 PM
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I think a common number for people who can have casual sex in college. I met my long-term partner in senior year and have a similar number.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 10:59 AM
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