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DebateLaborAustralia/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:45 AM
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DebateLaborAustralia/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 03:27 AM
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DiscussionLaborAustralia/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 03:22 AM
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Question for RedPillLaborAustralia/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:13 AM
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LaborAustralia/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 12:21 AM
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DebateLaborAustralia/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 02:40 AM
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Women aren't allowed to vote.... because they don't fit the predetermined criteria that the government decides they aren't apart of. Its an entirely circular argument. It's like saying only men over 6ft are allowed to be drafted. Only men who are drafted are allowed to vote. Men under 6ft shouldn't vote because they aren't drafted.... Its the exact same argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 01:31 AM
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An average guy can be above threshold in one social scene and completely filtered in another. Ok, and how are u going to find that group without exposure? Social skill can’t even come into play if you’re not getting initial traction. I've explained that you need to hit the marker in the trait preceding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:20 AM
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getting clear guidance on social skills is something I don't disagree with. I can't write an exhaustive essay on every little thing about social skills for every different scenario that would take too long. that needs to be done on a case by case basis in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 09:17 PM
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The things I listed are things you need to do to get ur looks level. Most dudes who are already good with women do all of these things; and its a given that you actually talk to lots of women to eventually find a gf regardless of how attractive u are
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:54 AM
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men and women are overweight at about the same rate. You also need to take into account demographic factors, young collage aged women in cities are no were near as overweight as the average pop for example
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:36 AM
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In what context are these rejections occurring?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:31 AM
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So if you are never asking people out how are u being humiliated by asking them out then?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:18 AM
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Getting reasonably lean with some muscle, will absolutely attract more women. Also he is self admittedly fat, so yes losing weight will make a big difference
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:17 AM
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How tall are u? where are u approaching women are asking women out? Why are u still chubby after so many years in the gym (honest question)? Have you taken really good photos for online dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:15 AM
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I'm not changing the goal posts, you need to put in effort into all three things. I have been consistent with that. You haven't even but effort into the first and most important one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:10 AM
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So what is ur point here? that the world should magically change so men should be able to get laid more with less effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:09 AM
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Try telling a woman she has to hit the gym for 6 - 12 months then show off her physique just to be considered and she'll tell you you're a douche, and she should. So what? some blue haired redditors won't like this advice? whats ur point? doesn't make it any less true
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:02 AM
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If you are getting berated/humiliated regularly something must be going very wrong in how u approach or show intrest to women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:00 AM
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And what else did you do outside of the gym? did you read my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:52 AM
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You could be ugly and athletic/lean if you tried for at least a year. Why not give it a shot? Also if ur fat, you have no idea what ur face actualy looks like until you get lean
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:49 AM
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being smelly isn't immoral either. Morality has nothing to do with how effort is recripricated
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:46 AM
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''Luck'' in dating is what occurs when someone operates on very low volume. When you start to expose urself to a much higher volume of women/men and actually make ur intentions known, its almost falls down to a basic probability. For women dating is different, men make the exposure and escalation for women, women just have to be open to it. How many men/women has ur friend asked out? How many matches has she gotten on dating app? How many dates has she actualy been on? If its a woman dating a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:44 AM
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Except for dating, the job itself is the 'interview' (not saying you should treet a date like an interview). If you are bad at interviews you need to interview more.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:56 AM
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This is completely incorrect and suppressed that this is getting up voted so much Sure doing hobbies and gym is all well and good (also you an do these things while going to dates to yk). But he problem is that it doesn't act actually attack the core of the issue; which is that mot guys have zero experience dating and what to do on dates. Getting good at dating/sex/ socializing requires practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:54 AM
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For guys who are inexperienced dating/socialy unskilled/nervous, 99% of getting better dating/socializing is through actually going the thing. And its actually kind of silly to suggest that isnt the case
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:53 AM
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both men and women are biologically attracted to traits which will lead to the greatest success in survival for our offspring in cave man times. Women like men are primarily attracted to physical traits that indicated good health and surivial for the offspring The most important thing a man provides to the women is his dna. Which is expressed in how he looks and how healthy he is, and is the subconscious basis for attraction (same for men too women) women too look for taits such as health, fitne…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 09:45 AM
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dude u arent some poet or philosopher. Ur a redditor. Women ARE into men who are attractive enough. And the men they 'consent' too are the ones they prefer because they are the ones that they at least find attractive enough to sleep with. Talking in riddles like this isnt smart its just deliberately obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 07:23 AM
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Dude that refers to himself in third person totally pulls heaps of chicks pushups at 430am does nothing except sleep deprivation. have fun
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 12:13 AM
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Finally, thinning hair is natural part of male maturation; focusing on it as a flaw is like criticizing women for having boobs. pure blue pill logic which proves the point of my post. this is a ''Men must like aging women because its natural' type argument. No one cares that its a natural aging process, it lowers men's attractiveness because women find it unattractive. Thats the reality, thats the bottom line.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 12:11 AM
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True, but there are a lot of reasons for this that aren't necessarily related to preference or possibility. Proximity is a big one: most people socialize with people their age, and therefore meet others their age through the extensions of their own existing networks. The catch is that this isn't usually deliberate, just a thing that naturally happens, and can therefore be averted by simply trying to meet different types of people. Another is availability. If you take a snapshot of any moment in …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 08:37 AM
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And you have seem to completely missed my point about the fast transition. If doctors and lawyers swapped professions overnight what do u think would happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 12:32 AM
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And yes a rich woman who pays a nanny ISNT contributing to child rearing. Yes in income, but not in actual child rearing. That is the argument
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 12:31 AM
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The only argument about pregnancy you could wip up is “it’s not that bad because of evolution” sure real solid argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 12:30 AM
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As for your first question, I believe there should be no draft or women should be drafted too. It is you on the other hand that believes an unfair burden on one part of the population justifies taking rights away for the other: rather than just removing or equalising the burden. As for ur women voting to change things argument. That could apply to men in the exact same way. They have had voting rights for far longer, and have held majority government for far longer. If they wanted things to be f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 12:28 AM
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Half of these you don't actually make an argument and are doing the argument of ''nuh uh''. There is no guaranteed biological cost. Do you KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT pregnancy? this is the dumbest statement i have ever heard. Even in a smooth, complication-free pregnancy, there’s a guaranteed biological cost to women. Pregnancy causes major physical changes — like organ displacement, hormonal shifts, joint pain, and significant weight gain — and childbirth itself often leads to tearing, surgical recove…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:43 PM
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Where the vast majority of women restricted from voting? yes/no. Did only a minority of women actually vote? yes/ no. Then Voting WAS heavily restricted based on gender buddy. The fact that your picking out select states that didn't restrict women, PROVES my point that women were mostly restricted from voting, and that voting WAS based on gender. chat GPT, estimates that prior to the 1920s, only 20 ish states allowed women to vote is some capacity, which estimates to around 4 million women voter…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:37 PM
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Interesting strawmen all round. I never said conscription leads to winning a war, I said the larger your defending body the more capable you are at defending your civilians...which is pretty self explanatory. budddy read what u said.... If an opposing nation (USA) invades your country (Vietnam) civilians will die. Thats a consequence of not having an adequate force to prevent it. The women in that country are raped and forced into labor, while the women at home (USA) experience none of that, tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:11 PM
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My premises weren't debunked. The fact that women could vote after men first made those laws does not contradict my argument in any way. In fact that is precisely part of the argument proponents make. That women were then awarded the vote, without the burden of conscription and that it is unfair. hardly a democracy when half the adult population is restricted from voting. that reality of war is being obliterated with bombs and missiles, it has nothing to do with virtue signalling. Its why battle…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:07 PM
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The civilian deaths in Vietnam are evidence for my case. If an opposing nation (USA) invades your country (Vietnam) civilians will die. Thats a consequence of not having an adequate force to prevent it. The women in that country are raped and forced into labor, while the women at home (USA) experience none of that, thanks to the draft. This is exactly my point. Bizarre argument. Firstly, Vietnam was a civil war backed by other counties like the US. second of all this idea that conscription = win…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 01:13 PM
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People with lifetime immunity to the draft will always vote for even more security, and for everyone else to fight and die for it even more. Net beneficiaries of redistribution will always vote more benefits for themselves, and for everyone else to be taxed even harder to keep the benefits around. Rich people will always vote for lower taxes on wealth. None of this is the problem. UNTIL one of these groups makes up the majority. Not even true. Conservatives tend to have far more hawkish policy. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 01:09 PM
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I KNOW FFS!!!! read the original comment that mentioned political power. He mentioned it in a context that was irrelevant to the argument, as I was talking about voting specifically NOT political power in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 12:47 PM
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voting rights is a subsection of political power. the are not a one to one concept. esp in the way the commenter used it in his argument
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 12:25 PM
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voting rights is a subsection of political power. the are not a one to one concept. esp in the way the commenter used it in his argument
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 12:25 PM
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numerous men in this comment section are making that vry argument
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 09:29 AM
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Cool doomsday fanfic. But this ignores that modern warfare isn’t about throwing millions of conscripted bodies at a border. Wars are now won through logistics, drones, cyberwarfare, air superiority, and supply chains, not just sheer headcount. Also: countries like the U.S. already have volunteer forces that outperform larger conscripted armies because they’re professional, trained, and motivated. So the idea that "no draft = annihilation" is just fearmongering wrapped in pseudo-military cosplay.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 09:16 AM
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men who volunteer in the army aren't being forced, yet they are still doing their duty. You could make the same argument with most women. Nowhere is it shown that the government will force women to get pregnant if replacement rates are too low. this is because women already do their 'duty' naturaly unlike men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:55 AM
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voting rights is a subsection of political power. If we were talking about humans, and you kept bring up mammals..... What are you even talking about? Nobody is arguing that soldiering is "inherently linked" to voting rights. thats the argument that people are making draft = voting rights
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:53 AM
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Sure, but rich dudes with property were able to vote without service. It was about class and wealth, not who was willing to fight and die for the country. Rich dudes who never touched a musket still got to vote. Poor veterans? Often not. that also only applied to white guys only. And those land bounties? That was a bribe, not a voting ticket. Plenty of men got land and still couldn’t vote because of race,. So if your argument is “military service = vote,” the actual historical evidence shows oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:44 AM
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Ah yes, the ol’ “I don’t want to die for a country that gives women iced mochas and voting rights” rant. A true classic. Let’s unpack this masterpiece of misplaced rage: You say “nobody’s making the claim that men were given the vote because they could be drafted”, right after defending the idea that voting should be tied to enlisting, that is an every crazer argument. Pick a lane, my guy. You can’t say “nobody believes this” and then pitch it as your bold new solution two sentences later. The 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:36 AM
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If feminists wanted to share that responsibility, it would be shared. But the majority are completely silent which just shows their fight isn’t egalitarian but exclusively female advocacy. the draft existed well before feminism or women had the vote, nor has 'feminism' been a dominant political party. feminists and socalists primiarly opposed the draft in the 70s, and the senate dems preposed equalising the draft a few years ago. But go ahead keep blaming women. Forced birthing right is a non se…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:26 AM
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In a situation so dire that mass conscription would be needed, would almost result in a nuclear war. that's the doctrine behind nukes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:19 AM
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the majority of men never serve. The majority of women give birth,
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:18 AM
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the point is that none of ur argument establish that women shouldn't be able to vote
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:17 AM
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Not in modern democracies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:15 AM
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I think the argument is an exaggerated retort against the supposed "feminist" position that women should be considered equal to men but should not be drafted. Which is a dumb argument because the last draft was primarily opposed of feminists and socialists in America using the possibility of a future draft to justify limiting democratic rights today is a huge leap in logic. Yes, if there's a total war with a peer nation, a draft might return. But the answer isn’t “let’s preemptively strip half t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:40 AM
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Sure, we’re living in the “Long Peace” — and yes, a peer-to-peer war could bring back the draft. But using that hypothetical to argue that only draft-eligible men should vote is a massive stretch — and a dangerous one. using the possibility of a future draft to justify limiting democratic rights today is a huge leap in logic. Yes, if there's a total war with a peer nation, a draft might return. But the answer isn’t “let’s preemptively strip half the population of their right to vote.” That’s not…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:38 AM
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In a situation where a standing army is overwhelmed, either people would volunteer, or nukes would fly
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:30 AM
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again Australia did not have conscription doing WW1
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:29 AM
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voting rights are not the same as political power.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:27 AM
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Why is it unjust? Because you think it is unjust? Because soldiering is not inherently linked to voting rights. I could just as easily say because men are biologically unable to give birth and continue on society, they shouldn't vote. Even if it is removed, it will be reinstated during a time of great need. in an all out war we would be in a nuclear wasteland. Do you think that military service and political power are unrelated? They've been tied together for most of recorded history. Strawman. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:26 AM
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People who are held responsible to defend the nation during crisis are the only who should have a say in the policies of the Nation. Ok why? no seriously why? Until the next draft only active service members should be allowed to vote then? Isn't the reason why people fight and die in wars is to uphold out freedom and democracy? Women saying since women give birth they should have vote doesn't hold same weight because the child may or not contribute to the Nation. Every person who will contribute…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:21 AM
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damn bro don't get triggered ahahha
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:08 AM
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Conscription has always been extremely divided and controversial. Australia did not have conscription doing WW1. Only in WW2 was Australia directly threatened. Every other example of the draft was to fight a proxy war. In an example of a direct invasion the standing army, or volunteers would fight in an invasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:07 AM
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and what poof do you have that it is ''feminists'' that are the ones upholding the draft?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:59 AM
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Yeah i agree. slightly linked is more of a better term. But its important to note that was in the 70s in the US. Voting rights and democracy have existed in modern states for hundreds of years before then, and didn't really have much to do with the draft
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:56 AM
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Sweden has had partial conscription for both men and women since 2017
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:45 AM
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No one’s denying that some conservative women supported traditional roles or that some progressive men opposed those roles and fought for liberty. That’s true. But here’s the key: individual participation in an unjust system doesn’t make the system just. Some women were wrong.... Ok? does that mean voting rights should be taken away? this point is unclear this point is nonsensical
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:38 AM
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you've restated your argument but haven't actually given any evidence to proof to why your argument is correct. Just a bunch of flimsy stereotypes. Posts which criticise the TRP or Manosphere tend to get FAR more comments than upvotes (both in absolute terms and ratio). This subreddit is for disillusioned to air out their grievances in poorly made posts or upvotes. Blue pill men are elsewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 03:50 AM
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Do you even frequent PPD? The majority of the posts on PPD either have men as the victim of some type of perceived social injustice, why women are picky/delusional/whatever/love bad boys, or why feminism is bad/wrong. Just sort posts by top for this month: A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as disgusting. If you don’t see the point in having female friends, you’d absolutely despise dating them The average man cannot set health…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 01:40 PM
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If the average women is around 36-38, then the sexist man is going to be predictably about 40ish, since women prefer men roughly 2-4 years older than them. However to young women, 40 y/o men aren’t going to be the most desired
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:37 AM
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The average age of a woman is almost 40 in the USA. Which corresponds to the figures which I gave in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:33 AM
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'' men peak at 50 women peak at 18 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aap9815 This study is commonly cited by red pillers when this topic is ever talked about. According to this study. 'Men peak at 50, Women peak at 18'' in desirability score. This is true. However the red pill have interpreted this to mean 50 y/o men are most attractive to young women or 18 y/o's this is not what the study says, nor is this supported by other evidence (see above). This study DID NOT determine which age …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 01:15 AM
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Read to the end of my post buddy ahahahah
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 01:14 AM
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But status and wealth does not compensate for attractiveness as age increases. thats what the data shows
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 12:49 AM
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All the articles I linked discussed that myth. Both older men and women have slightly more sex because that are both more likely to be in long term relationships or married.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 11:18 PM
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Are u drunk?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 02:39 PM
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You mean all these Peer reviewed articles ? Direct data from dating websites? Recorded Marriages data? Have u ever heard of David buss? Conroy-beam? Literally the top evo psych expert in the world, and a top ten for the latter. Buddy please lmao you have no clue
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 02:31 PM
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Read my post I state my sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 02:22 PM
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I personally am 29 dating a 24 year old. Did you even bother to read my post? this is a 5 year age gap both in your twenties. Women in general are more attracted to what a man can provide. then why do young women consistently chose men similar to their age. Its almost like reality shows that status and wealth does not compensate for the undesired age gap and aging older men face. You’re confusing and conflating physical attractiveness and with attractiveness. No this is what YOU don't understand…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:48 PM
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good for u man. but hey ur the exception. all the best
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:46 PM
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most 30+ y/o virgin women who lose their virginity at that age don't want to be virgins at 30+
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:45 PM
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yep sir
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:43 PM
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''BUT why are young men so much more single than young women !!!!'' 2024 update for the figure you posted https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/2024-update-to-the-gss-sexlessness-graph?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=2496702&post_id=164221362&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=2r8uj2&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email There is no difference whatsoever in the sex partner distributions of young men and women. Before you bring up the Pew survey, half of the gap in it was caused…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:34 PM
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What women think on average about men, is incredibly important in understanding about what attracts women. If u said on average women prefer masculinity, and I said “I don’t care about averages because who cares about what the average woman thinks. I’m gonna be as feminine as I what” you would look at me like an idiot
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:05 PM
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Then why isn’t that what is actually happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:59 PM
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Were u extremely overweight ?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:58 PM
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If it took u 34 years to lose your virginity, no offence but it was always gonna happen later rather than sooner. That’s certainty not a peak. Also your friends are a preselection and sampling bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 10:23 AM
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So do women. Women also have lower virginity rates and are less likely to be single in their 30s. That’s just a function of Time
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 03:30 AM
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Never claimed their was. If you think nothing can be gained from discussing and debating human mating behaviour then why are u on this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:21 AM
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Some women look ok fat, most don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:20 AM
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Agree :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:07 AM
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Understand human mating and behaviour Practical advice for young men and clearing up red pill misconceptions. Your 20s is the time to date, not to go “monk mode” and ignore women moneymaxing pretending that men get more attractive in their 30s. Anti aging implications. Men should focus on anti aging too, hair skin etc
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:03 AM
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Pretty boys quite literally have the most followers of young women on social media
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:52 PM
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If you can’t understand why ur own personal scenario doesn’t apply to every single situation and that that looking at data matters you need to go back to school
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:50 PM
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Cuz they find old men creepy and ugly, esp young women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:38 PM
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Data that is in ur dreams I assume?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:29 PM
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being bald is a significant sign of aging and a downgrade in looks lol. sorry to burst ur bubble
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:26 PM
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depends on genetics really. guys like jensen ackles, brad pitt, chace crawford, tom hardy ect are all pretty boys who aged well. There are obviously examples to the contary tho
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:25 PM
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This is a bizarre comment that is missing this point entirely. I never said you should make personal decisions based on relationship data.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:22 PM
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yes that is what i stated in my post
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:08 PM
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hence 'post' 19
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:03 PM
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actually no. people tend to pair up with those similar to them. Age of the man is actually a far stronger predictor of a young woman being in a relationship (or finding said man attractive) with a man then status or wealth (since couples tend to be aged match on average and that young men tend to have no status and wealth). for being 18-20 years old as a guy is the only time were you can get a cute young gf, while having no real job or money and being pretty average looking from just being goofy…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:00 PM
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that is generally when facial fat pad distribution reach their adult form (so post 19), and maybe for a few years past 25 when ageing starts to occur
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:57 PM
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But that because they failed at trying and putting in basic effort in their 20s. Yes, if you were unattractive in your 20s and improved it’s entirely possible to attract more women in your 30s. That’s your OWN peak. Not when men theoretically peak in attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:48 PM
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Sure, some older guys can attract younger women. But the key word her is some. The idea that older men (30 plus) best attract young women isn't reflected by reality and data.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:44 PM
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Unless u are absurdly attractive or high status, then we are all beholden to peaks and valleys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:42 PM
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"heres my anecdotal experience'' I dont care https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8247994/ https://ourfuturesinstitute.org.au/alcohol-and-other-drug-use-among-disadvantaged-youth/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:20 AM
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while yes OP is technically incorrect about criminal men paring up with criminal women. They are some caveats and things that need to be taken into consideration. Criminal women were also more likely to have children than non-criminal women, this exemplifies presence of a ''short life strategy'', in which lower class poorer individuals have more impulsive and risk taking behaviour. If your argument is that criminal men are more sexy because they are criminals, than that would also apply to crimi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 06:22 AM
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having more children younger tends to correlate with less education income etc, which corelates with substance abuse, childhood problems etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 06:14 AM
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''American men are becoming disinterested'': recent popular post on PPD proves how quickly a bogus narrative can be created from nothing. There is a trend towards young men drinking less etc, however nowhere near to the hyperbolic extent OP claims. Furthermore gen z men where doing more of these things then women in the 2017-2019 period, indicated this is a short term fluctuation that needs to be substantiated with more data not moral panic (hmmmm what happened in 2020 that could have caused thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 08:21 AM
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Once every month or 2 is like 60-120 women over the course of a decade. That's easily 99th percentile body count even at the low range.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:02 AM
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Budddy, this has nothing to do with YOUR standards, but what the actual standards of young women are
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 09:49 AM
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https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/further-confirmation-the-pew-singleness?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 09:43 AM
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your first example of the guy wasn't even bad looking when he was younger, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112585/characters/nm0122653/?ref_=mv_close from the same movie of your first 2 screenshots
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 09:34 AM
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Many gender norms are a manifestation of innate sex differences between men and women Simone de Beauvoir touches on this in the The Second Sex. Gender norms are not unrelated to biological differences. Gender norms are constructed and formed around biological differences, to fit the economic and social reality of the time. Gender norms are not inherent, they are socially constructed. If gender norms are simply a manifestation of innate sex differences between men and women then why do gender nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 01:42 AM
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🤣🤣🤣🤣round and round in circles u go
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 06:45 AM
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None of those links have anything to do with false allegations
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:53 AM
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You guys are just so quick to whine deny and dismiss my points. It very obvious that this is ever emotionally triggering for a lot of u. Firstly, even if my SA estimates are off, it does not debunk my estimates about false accusations in its own right. But because you can’t actually form any type of coherent response against me you just bomb me with links with no explanation to why I’m actually wrong , this is called “death by citation or argument by citation” in academia. It’s when you site sou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:49 AM
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Never talk about a particular issue with out mentioning all and other issues at the same time. Focusing on one aspect of a broader issue doesn't mean I'm ignoring the rest. Discussing rape in detail doesn’t equate to dismissing other forms of abuse, harassment, or false accusations of those things. narrowing the scope of analysis allows for a more in-depth discussion rather than a superficial overview of everything at once. If you have specific concerns about omissions or misrepresentations, I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 03:51 AM
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Seems like u guys are the ones doing that here
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 03:49 AM
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Nope I literally never said that. You have no argument and are just resorting to bs u made up
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 09:46 PM
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Nope I literally never said that. You have not argument and are just resorting to bs u made up
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 09:46 PM
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There are many points I can make about ur comment. Firstly, my estimates account for a percentage that could be false in a ratio. So the proportion of cases out of non reported and reported rapes are mediated to also take into account an amount that is false. Also unreported rapes arent necessarily rapes where someone is accused either. But I digress… The CDC National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Study(NISVS) 2010 (and also the 2011 study which show basically the same stats) On page 17, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 09:32 PM
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then never make any claims about false accusations ever again
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:58 AM
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I dont know what did i do to deserve this. I genuinely sorry man. It seems like ur had a shit time. I really am sorry. But my post isn't towards u. I'm not saying false accusations don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:48 AM
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Acknowledging that false accusations exist does not diminish the historical weaponization of accusations against marginalized groups. However, the rarity of false accusations in the context of sexual misconduct must be weighed against the much higher prevalence of actual cases of assault that go unreported or unpunished. The court of public opinion can be harmful, but this applies to many accusations—not just false ones. Public backlash occurs even when accusations are true, and societal biases …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:36 AM
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This is just rape. What about other related crimes like sexual assault or child sex crimes that men can just as easily be falsely accused of? You yourself talk about how much it spikes in cases of child custody. I focused on rape because that's all anyone talks about in this discussion. I literally cannot win with u guys. Its just a constant moving of the goal posts. Also Mary Koss has been on the record stating that if a man was drugged and forced to penetrate against his will that it only coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:15 AM
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There’s a flaw in that . Those are only the cases that go forward. Not the cases that are dropped . Those statistics don’t include thr complaint that the police never persue, investigated and dropped, sent to the prosecutors office and never went to trial because they’re false . This is completely false. These stats refer all the cases that were made to police. Only a fraction are ever referred to trial or prosecution. If you read and of the studies or knew what you were talking about at all you…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:57 AM
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What is "it" what number does she state in the video? she claims she cannot find any reference of a 2 or 8 % figure oh for the love of god learn to read. There is also no mention of number 2 in the paper you showed me. With regard to false allegations. It's in the insufficient evidence category. You specify the difference in your own post, you lying little coward. READ the section. don't just skim over it. p 47 ''T h e re were 216 cases classified as false allegations: as a pro p o rtion of all …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 12:08 AM
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This just seems like comparing a stab wound to a gunshot wound. It's irrelevant to the point. I would argue one is far worse than the other. One cannot result in conviction, a lengthy trial, stress of a trial, public record of a trial, imprisonment ect Just got done with the daniel Greene allegations that were proven to be false. Now mindless brainless chimps are back peddaling to correct themselves jumping down Daniel's throat. Expecting me to account random public accusations? idk. complete st…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:15 AM
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This entire post is just special pleading. Its not special pleading because Anti-feminists commonly make claims about rape accusations to the police, so thats what i focused on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:08 AM
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I focus on legal allegations, because that is something that the red pill commonly makes claims about
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:06 AM
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strawman focus on my arguments please
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:02 AM
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I’m sure plenty of fake victims don’t report either. A fake accuser to the police cannot be a fake accuser to the police, unless they accuse someone to the police.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:02 AM
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accusations made to the public are very different to those made to the police. It is meaningfully different because someone cant face criminal sanctions unless a claim is actually made to the police. Anti-feminists commonly make claims about rape accusations to the police so thats what i focused on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:00 AM
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We can estimate. that's what anyone who discusses this topic will talk about. You could argue that the informal allegation/unreported rape ratio amount is the same as reported rape/ false police accusation ratio, thats a bit so so; but it would still mean the total amount of rape incidences are far greater than accusations. The consequences of a false allegation are also much lesser when it is informal. The consequences of a rape are the same no matter if it is reported or not, there is also far…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:57 AM
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Don't take the moral high ground when you don't know what u r talking about. I've read the CDC studies extensively and done my research. SA and Rape are clearly defined and separated differently. I've posted about this before on ppd
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:42 AM
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per lifetime rape estimates are 1/5-6 for women per cdc and raiin
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:34 AM
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re you aware that it is more than 20x more likely to be in a car accident than getting raped? https://www.statista.com/statistics/191137/reported-forcible-rape-cases-in-the-usa-since-1990/ Irrelevant to any point i made here. Also lifetime estimates for rape and sexual assault victimisation is very high. But thats another story. rape is a serious crime and is condemned but it is hard to prove... yes another issue is at which point consent gets violated and how do you differentiate between sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:27 AM
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I limited the scope too allegations made to the police.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:20 AM
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Correction, men who haven't been taught how to healthily establish status will use violence to assert it. Women often resort to sex work in desperation because they can. Men resort to violence. I'm starting to think you are just disagreeing with my answer because you don't want me to be right. Do you understand what your talking about is toxic masculinity right? you are the one that's agreeing with me. You just simply want to frame the argument in a way that coddles men and is favourable to cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 02:20 AM
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Correction, men who haven't been taught how to healthily establish status will use violence to assert it. You don't see a majority of conservative men running around raping feminists in the streets to win arguments. You see primarily fatherless or abusive households producing men that have no idea how to safely express anger and frustration, and so they turn to violence. It is a very, very specific demographic of men (not based on race, but rather socio-economic factors) that exhibit actual toxi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 01:20 AM
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you literally just said it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 01:00 AM
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Why do men in Poverty stricken unequal societies commit far more crime than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 11:59 PM
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Toxic masculinity is primarily about status in a patriarchal society. Women too are part of that society, and can perpetuate it. By they do not cause it. The desire for women to have male providers is a relic gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 05:19 AM
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Ur confusing the essentialist argument for the social constructivist understanding of maleness which makes ur argument here wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 04:25 AM
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What is the mechanism to which certain races commit more crime?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 04:12 AM
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If testosterone is the primary factor of aggression in males then why do counties and societies with massively differing levels of crime, also have populations of men with the same average normal levels of test?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 04:03 AM
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Yeah but you obviously omit that fact because it’s far from the age gap dynamic red pillers love to talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 12:38 AM
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The paper you cite only shows a few years difference in preferred age. I suggest you actually read more of the literature. Because the most recent systematic review by Buss and others have concluded that women on average really only prefer men who are 2-4 years older than them depending on location and culture. Conroy-Beam, D., & Buss, D. M. (2019). Why is age so important in human mating? Evolved age preferences and their influences on multiple mating behaviors. Evolutionary Behavioral Sciences…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 09:14 PM
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What a bizarre Diatribe. You seem more conserved with punishing women for whatever perceived indiscretions against them u have. According your ur own logic, after the period of breast feeding, motherhood is just as much of a social construct as u claim it is to fatherhood. The child to the mother and father is simply something which shares dna at that point. Also you cannot make social constructivists arguments and also be a traditionalist. That is a contradiction. If you are actually a traditio…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:29 PM
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You can volunteer your organs. Rights begin were others ends. Also being able to sell organs is a net negative on society. In the same way it should be illegal to scam elderly or children. It should be illegal to pressure poor desperate people to sell organs
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 11:01 PM
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None of what u said has any relevance to my comment. You are responding to a made up person in your head. Also most of the laws you have listed have nothing to do with feminism and we’re not implemented by feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 10:45 PM
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I would still argue they are fundamentally different things even if they relate to choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 10:42 PM
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Oh that’s ok :) it means the man has the ability to opt out of parenthood and child support
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:13 AM
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Well it’s choice in regard to physical bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:58 AM
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Again, the ethical justifications for abortion have nothing to do with “accountability”.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:53 AM
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What people emotionally do is not what it’s ethically or morally true. Also people morn the loss of things which aren’t human all the time, like dogs or even non living creatures like sentimental items. The feelings aren’t less real, the things which they are meowing are just different.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:41 AM
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You mean less black and white cases ? What cases of bodily autonomy do you think I don’t believe in? And I’m speaking in regards to physical bodily autonomy here
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:36 AM
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No I don’t think it’s fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:33 AM
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Strange argument. I’m not sure that you have a right to your own dna if it voluntarily leaves your body and enters someone else’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:21 AM
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Physical Bodily autonomy does not need to be recognised by government for it be the basis of an ethical or moral argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:18 AM
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Huh? The mother does not decide if the fetus is a person or not. The fetus simply lacks personhood. A man cannot force an abortion on a woman because that would violate the autonomy of the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:16 AM
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A lot of stuff wrong in this diatribe, and i can't be bothered going though the entire thing. Doing the classic examples of not actually listening to what feminists believe and imagining a bunch of perceived hypocrisies. Lets take your first section: “Women are oppressed, but we still outperform men in every metric that matters” You seemed to have just listed a bunch of fields and industries are dominated by women, so what that women tend to be nurses, teaches and in hr? and haven't actually dem…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 12:31 PM
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Nope, because you have to understand the motivations for lying. There to no purpose to making urself look bad with a lie, unless you believe what u r saying. For example, if trump says “I love gay people”: theirs 2 explanations one is that he believes what he is saying, and 2 that he is lying to look good. Now contextualise it with had the gop has done and what his cabinet believes. Now, if trump says “immigrants are poising the blood of America”: since that does not make him look good, their is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 08:47 PM
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This is the problem with trump supporters. He faces no accountability for anything he says, but is vindicated for anything he says. When trump says something that negatively reflects on him, he is showing his true colours. When trump is saying something good, it’s almost always to get brownie points with the public.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 02:56 AM
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What if the society ate bugs and you liked pizza? Also you seem to be under the presumption that just because something is generally true, it must be true in all cases. Why are u presuming that individuals sexualities are based on logical reasoning>?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 12:40 PM
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This a serious question? Gay men are sexually attracted to men. Straight men are sexually attracted to women. If you are having trouble grasping this concept then you probably lack theory of mind. Imagine your least favourite food, something you find yuck. Imagine that tv, the media and whatever promoted this food endlessly. Would that suddenly make you like that food you find tastes terrible?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 12:31 PM
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Ok it’s clear you know nothing about economics and aren’t willing to have a good faith discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 08:25 AM
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I’m not saying that wasn’t the case in history. You are saying that it’s ok to base society off of domination. So is slavery and genocide ok then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 06:33 AM
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“ Real wages” is wages accounting for inflation. If you can’t understand that point this discussion is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 05:42 AM
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More income means more household consumption. This is just basic and obvious. Women entering the workforce increased real wages (inflation adjusted wages). So the idea that people now are just spending twice as much in the nominal dollar amount split between two wages is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:33 AM
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Yes. “Real wage growth” is what was measured. Real wage growth means it’s factors in inflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:15 AM
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But you claim science gave you these best practices
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:11 AM
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The majority of men, who are fathers to children raised by single mothers are deadbeats who want nothing to do with their children and are trying to dodge child support. That is just the reality of the situation. Men who actually want their children get custody and win most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:10 AM
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No you are just wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:08 AM
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No, you simply claimed it stagnated wages, which is not the same thing as “only” stagnanted wages in the beginning. You also implied that only the elites and corporations benefited from this which is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:08 AM
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Of course biologists don’t claim 2 genders. Gender is a sociological concept. Sex isn’t. You also don’t understand that consumption isn’t fixed either. When 2 people are earning a wage each they consume more, a lot more (on childcare, holidays, cars, tvs, insurance, schools, sports whatever- this is all consumption). This is just basic stuff. When only one income provides for 2 people, the level of consumption is still only relative to one income. This is something you fail to factor in across y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:06 AM
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Also i missed this. But the vast majority of men don’t apply for child custody (like above 90%). They don’t care. In cases where men actually DO ask for shared custody they actually get it the vast majority of the time. http://amptoons.com/blog/files/Massachusetts_Gender_Bias_Study.htm https://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1131&context=bjalp Yes women do get favoured more, but often time the women IS the primary care taker. Thus why the Judges tend to award more custod…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:49 AM
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But the group of men which wins gets to dominate the other right? That the point that was being made.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:29 AM
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Ahahaha me not arguing in good faith? Buddy you have changed the goal post so hard that you had to concede that women in the work force raised wages and benefited the economy overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:27 AM
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This is the dumbest logic I have seen on this site. Sentencing decisions have NOTHING to do with arrests and crime rates. I am actually baffled you think you have made a good point here. Just denying reality. Men make up the VAST majority of murder offender and violent crime offenders. Any look at any data set from anywhere in the entire world confirms this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:23 AM
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You claimed women entering the workforce suppressed wages. That is false. Only in the beginning did wages stagnant as I explained in detail. Overall women entering the workforce increased wages overtime. You also CLEARLY stated “who benefits?” in the original post. We all benefit from higher wages and a better economy. Did you just ignore that!? Womens labor force participation was extremely low until women started to actually working more in the 70s (because of feminism). this is a fact. Women …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:11 AM
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Ahahahhaah yes it was legal. It’s clear you haven’t done any research about history at all
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:33 AM
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We are simply asking you to actualy respond and make arguments bud
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:06 AM
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The conclusion is that the wages for both women and men went down in 1940s but the effects were uneven. With states with a greater mobilisation of men for war, it seems that wages for women that entered the workforce during that time grew less than in states with lower mobilisation rates. And so it seems that during this period, women weren't perfect substitutes for men, and thus were perhaps not as productive, and as a result earned less. I read this as the jobs that the men had were predominan…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:03 AM
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The Effects of Rising Female Labor Supply on Male Wages by Chinhui Juhn and Dae Il Kim. They find weak evidence that college-educated women are substitutes for high school dropout men or that college-educated women may be better substitutes for high school dropout men than high school graduate men, thereby widening inequality in the bottom half of the male wage distribution. Instead, they evidence that college-educated women are substitutes for college-educated men and that their rapid entry int…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:03 AM
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Lets actually take a look at the economic evidence of women entering the workforce... **TLDR: ''**If the entrance of women into the workforce impacts the local economy only by increasing the quantity of labor –i.e. by responding to a shift in the demand curve or by shifting the labor supply curve, then their increasing numbers will either have no impact at all or will drive wages down especially if they are crowded into low-paying female-dominated occupations and industries (either by choice or …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:03 AM
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Who benefits? Corporations gain a doubled labor pool, suppressing wages. States gain more tax revenue. Power structures gain atomized, dependent consumers. All while marketing this dependency as liberation. Nope. I've decided to destroy this argument. I written about this before. ''Its simple supply and demand, when you halve the workforce wages go up, when you double the workforce wages go down'' what u are doing here is looking at the supply for labour at partial equilibrium. Meaning he is loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:01 AM
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science does not make value judgements bud. this is basic stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:53 AM
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no you didn't. buddy actual engage or talk to a mirror
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:52 AM
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marital rape legal?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:43 AM
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Single fathers produce better results despite any economic disparity or one of the many other excuses you can try. This is wrong. Firstly, single fathers are so rare that what makes a single father, is uniquely different from single mothers. Fathers who are single fathers are much, much more likely to be a widower, from a middle class family, or a man who is uniquely invested in raising children from a mother who didn't want them. The average single dad is much wealthier than a single mother, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:41 AM
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Buddy you can't say ''This does not mean that there will be some authoritarian institution enforcing the patriarchy'' and also say '' believe the only rights I would personally choose to interfere with is the right to vote.'': so the man's vote is the household vote right? So the politcal apparatus is in fact enforcing the patriarchy with mens will as they can only vote? However men lose complete bodily autonomy over the draft due to this biological necessity as explained in the post. Without si…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:19 AM
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Your framing to the failures of single parent households as being the soul fault of the single mother. However the single mother is the one bothering to raise the children, while the family is broken specifically because the father is choosing to be deadbeat. Blame is more applicable to the man in this situation. In our current society single motherhood correlates to inequality, poverty and crime outcomes. Yes, we had less single mothers years ago. But crime was also much higher in the past (70s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:53 AM
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Do u understand this type of hostile reaction is exactly why women do what they do when interacting with men they don't know?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 12:37 AM
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Why is it your right that women take the time out of their day to communicate on your preferred terms, but it isn't women's right to communicate to you on their own terms and how they want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 12:35 AM
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Why is it your right that women take the time out of their day to communicate on your preferred terms, but it isn't women's right to communicate to you on their own terms and how they want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 12:34 AM
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Why can't he just move on when the woman clearly isn't reciprocating?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:24 PM
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Why can't he just move on when the woman clearly isn't reciprocating? Why does his hand have to be held and not just take the hint? Why should women have to go out of their way to create a potently embarrassing or awkward situation when both grown adult should read the hints and drop it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:23 PM
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sex trafficking is not the same as prostitution. Prostitution being illegal or not is actually irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 01:33 PM
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I mean being more social quite literally will mean you have a greater sized friend group and meet+ interact with a greater amount of people beyond that which would lead to a higher probability of romantic/ sexual success. Social successful and popular men just considered more attractive and they interact with a grater amount of potential mates so duh. I mean you can wish it so as much as you want, but being an introvert with a few close friends is fine, but it isn't idea for attracting women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 01:29 PM
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no ones saying you have to have a 50 friend group. A few close friends is fine, May i remind you that it is you that said: "properly socialized" I couldn't give less of a shit about this.''
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:59 PM
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I spoken about this before and its something the rp just can't grasp. "'superior'' traits are entirely an relative concepts in Evolution. Traits are not inherently inferior or inferior. Sexual selection is desiring relatively advantageous traits in a mate. Wanting someone that's taller/more masculine/etc than you is desiring a ''superior trait'', because it is a trait desired by the individual. Likewise, wanting someone that's feminine/pretty/young etc... is desiring advantageous ''superior'' tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 12:06 AM
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p 2 In the anthropological literature, ''beta'' long life strats actualy produce more and fitter offspring. Sweden many be an anomaly due to the welfare state. Long or short-term mating orientation may correlate with what is called life history strategy. Individuals with a slow life history strategy have a stronger orientation toward long-term mating (Figueredo et al, 2004; 2006). A slow life history strategy also involves higher investment in offspring as well as in individual quality (Figuered…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 02:52 AM
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I've seen you post that Swedish study here around, and its not the slam dunk you think it is. Moreover it actually contradicts nothing I have said about DT. Your contention is that DT traits are more attractive in men and thus they have more children and greater reproductive success. My contention is that DT correlates with a number of behaviour traits that cause people to act with ''short- life strategies'' causing a greater number of sexual partners and thus children. there are two reason, why…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 02:51 AM
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A person who rushes into relationships and ignores red flags sounds like Emophilia to me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:09 AM
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Women who are sociosexually unrestricted tend to be more into men who are DT. Its not that most women actualy want to fuck DT guys, its that you are preselecting for women who are into casual sex by being more DT
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:45 AM
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how so?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:40 AM
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Having toxic behavioural traits are not the same as political orientation. A woman espouse liberal views, but she herself may have a whole bunch of toxic traits personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:38 AM
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eh this is knid of a myth, Its more so people who THINK they have high empathy get duped by DTs, but the cause is actually a bunch of other behavioural traits that the 'victim' doesn't realise they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:35 AM
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I mean its kind of a myth that DT people are good at manipulation or have high EQ, its more so that the people they attract are blind to it or like it. The whole ''crazy hot girl'' stereotype who drive a boy wild comes to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:29 AM
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Women are ashamed for consenting to being plowed out by the asshole with the face tattoo who stared her down like an animal in the club, and by the BBC they found online because it was their porn fetish, so they describe the man they wished they were attracted to, as if they actually were Lmao dude. Your projecting your porn addiction onto women. Literal porn brain nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:27 AM
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if your a guy in your 30s dating younger than your well above average on not where the point of our comments are
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 01:52 PM
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Youthfulness is an extremely desired trait in women, to the point where men of all ages prefer women 18-25. Give that fact, women in this age group have the ability to demand what they want since they are the most desired. As a result women in this age group prefer and choose men 2-4 older than them on average to date. If you are older than that, the increasing amount you would have to compensate for in looks, money or status for young women to be attracted to you since they are outside of your …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:18 PM
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OP, since I was the original poster of the Original post I will respond to you, You are exactly right and you are also missing the point. A Young upper middle class kid in that demographic and social circle, finding another young women like that isn't going to be a problem nor is it going to be unreasonable for him to demand those standards. As someone who is actual a part of the demographic you describe, I have many male friends who are ''average'' and have been able to have successful relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 11:51 AM
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those are traits men list as being desirable? whats is your point dumb dumb?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 12:55 PM
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that can be explained by a 3 year age gap. Pew research, again when viral when they reported that 63% of young men are single compared to 34% of young women. But is this data consistent with other findings? And What can explain the data? Is the ''Chad Harmen theory'' true? When we look at the American Perspectives Survey (which has a similar sample size) contrary to the Pew findings, the singleness rate for 18-29 men dropped, from 59% in 2020 to 57% in 2022. Women’s singleness rate also rose mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 12:51 PM
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do i really have to explain this? traits which considered attractive in their own right being rare in a population, isn't the same as a trait being more attractive because it is rare. For example being jacked is rare and attractive, being old and jacked is rarer, but simply being more rare isn't more attractive in its own right.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 12:47 PM
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nope they date men who are around their own age. but keep living in denial
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:47 AM
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I mean lower to the levels of yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:42 AM
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then finding an average young women isn't out of your possibility then bro
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:39 AM
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Yes and be less fat, also get more extroverted (yes this is hard) and develop good social skills
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:37 AM
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Ok but what are your stats? height income, hairline, age, bmi?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:27 AM
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compared to men? equally undateable
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:24 AM
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What's your age income, height, hairline, BMI?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:23 AM
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nope they are not
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:20 AM
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nope, cus assortive mating
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:14 AM
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rareness does not equal more attraction. A 70 y/o jacked guy is rare, but not more attractive than a young guy who is jacked. a man in shape and 35 earning 60k is equal to the single woman 18-25 probably wise Lmao nope. 60 is average salary. And 35 y/o's is way outside of the most attractive age range for young women by about a decade. Young women can choose whomever they want, and they choose young good looking guys 20-28 y/o. Why would the smallest and most desired group be equal to average st…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:12 AM
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See how i said average in the title. A fit guy in the 18-25 age range with no kids is not average
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 03:52 AM
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Sure thats reasonable for you. but you are not average.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 03:51 AM
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You can double check with US population data if you want to, but you would come to the same conclusions as my post
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 03:49 AM
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If you are 35 in shape, 60k your equal is a 30 ish woman in shape, 40k with kids whats hard to understand
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 03:47 AM
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Women (on average) prefer men who are 2-4 years older than them, until they are middle aged where they start preferring men who are slightly younger. [1] Conroy-Beam, D., & Buss, D. M. (2019). Why is age so important in human mating? Evolved age preferences and their influences on multiple mating behaviors. Evolutionary Behavioral Sciences, 13(2), 127. [2] Antfolk, J., Salo, B., Alanko, K., Bergen, E., Corander, J., Sandnabba, N. K., & Santtila, P. (2015). Women's and men's sexual preferences an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 03:45 AM
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You give evidence for a gentitic skew, but when i give that actual evidence to why that is the case all your doing is saying ''sure but polygam still exsisted''. May i remind you that you were the one that posited a bunch of studies of a y bottle neck and missing my point entirely. but what ever. A genetic study by Walker et Al found that there was very little reproductive skew among hunter-gatherers, indicating low levels of polygyny. They also confirmed that most marriages in pre-history were …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 01:48 AM
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These types of arguments get repeated again and again here: A y chromosome bottleneck isn't necessarily caused by ''female choice'', in fact most of these authors don't consider polygamy is to a massive cause as otherwise these types of bottlenecks would be constant throughout polyamorous societies. secondly we also have to distinguish between male intrasexual competition and ''female choice (or hypergamy)''. A group of men killing off another group of men and taking their wifes, or having the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 12:54 AM
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Sure you can find 25 y/o's more attractive if you want, its does not mean they actually find you guys attractive tho, This is the part RP guys always leave out. they don't care about you. Women here love saying how “Gen z women are the ones who are the most vocal about their disapproval of age gap couples” but anyone who’s not a moron can see this isn’t the case. This is a myth. https://datepsychology.com/is-age-gap-disapproval-a-form-of-intrasexual-competition/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 02:09 AM
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looking better into your mid 20s is different that ''peaking' in your 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 02:03 AM
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Looks=/= raw strength, also That's usually because they blast gear well into their 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 02:02 AM
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there was another post similar to this a while back arguing that if masculinity is more virtuous, then why does the red pill hate women exhibiting masculine traits. Well its because they care only about upholding gender roles. thats it really
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 02:21 AM
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Like wise red pillers have clung to the same talking points for the past decade that have proven to be false: 80/20 rule (and an over exaggeration of women promiscuity) dual mating hypo ab/bb male sexless/ singleness being a uniquely male problem that ''chads'' are having the most sex (body count is not correlated to appearance to a strong degree) and so on
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 01:29 AM
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Compared to the guys? None of them (except 4) were were close to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 01:25 AM
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theres a lot of dudes in the comments who have overestimated how attractive they are personally identifying with these average looking dudes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 01:22 PM
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I think your missing the point of MY argument. I never said that this lady could get some good date. My point was that a man in the exact same situation- ie an above average man- could get plenty of average normie women dates as well, as like I have explained he's goes for women who are less attractive than he is; like the experiment did.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:17 PM
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i don't get what you mean? Pro-age gap post say that because its written by dude
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:07 PM
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If the woman is a 3-4 then the guys are like 2s
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:05 PM
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I mean sure most people get with their looks match
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:21 AM
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You said that he was cute.. yet claimed not to see the picture
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:06 AM
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Well either she nor him is average so... what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:02 AM
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Wait, wait, wait how can you say number 4 was more attractive than the girl, but also not have seen the car selfie? Its his only photo. You are full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:00 AM
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a female 5 and a male 5 would be ranked the same in their respective groups. however if we combined the two groups a lot more women then men will be right of the bell curve; as a female 5 will be more attracive than a male 5
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:56 AM
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the fact that YOU take car selfies is irrelevant. The point was that you believing a shitty car selfie was taken to signal status is insane. Ok well I find older men attractive so it is a matter of opinion. stats are not a matter of opinion. Your personal example is not a fact
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:49 AM
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The attractiveness of the men is entirely relevant tho. And if we are ranking men and women on different bell curves a female 6, would be like a male 7.5.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:42 AM
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I don’t see how having a car in a photo is a problem he probably is just doing it to attract women anyways.. dude, if you think a lazy and shitty selfie inside completely normal ass car was somehow done for the purpose of attracting women by showing off status you are delusional. Do you really think a photo like that will impress anyone? The age gap problem is more a matter of opinion. It not a matter of opinion its a matter of attraction. The older a man gets above 4 years, the more unattractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:40 AM
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If you a scientifically minded guy I suggest you take a look at nuancepill and datepsychology. They debunk a lot of stuff on the red pill and black pill. Things like height and attractiveness might determine how attractive you partner will be, but have very little effect on body count and the likely hood you will get married. https://datepsychology.com/male-attractiveness-and-sexual-partner-count/ https://nuancepill.com/are-the-male-elite-enjoying-a-sexual-boomtime/ https://nuancepill.com/how-do…
/r/ExRedPill28/06/24 06:43 AM
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I am aware of those experiments. I haven't seen any recent replication on non-ok cupid/pof platforms that isn't just 3rd world men who want to stick their dick in a hole
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 05:30 AM
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Number 4 is barely more attractive than she is, even if we ignore the bad car selfie. If she's average then all of the other guys (except number 4) are like 3s and 4s at best, irrespective of age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 05:24 AM
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Hypergamy is looking for men who are a status boost. The financial aspect is only one part of it. Looks, height, charisma... lots of women want men who are more outgoing and confident than she is. That's another of many aspects of hypergamy. So hypergamy in terms of wanting the best in SMV? or are you going to use another made up definition of status where it is defined in a round about way to mean anything
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:29 AM
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''financial hypergamy'' is a tautology. The numbers are right there, financial hypergamy is still alive and kicking, and women have plenty of excuses for why this sexist disparity is somehow just. men and women have different standards for what hey find attractive in each other. it not sexism, just mate selection Things are definitely changing for the better over a long period of time in terms of financial hypergamy. Why can't we focus on that? Its interesting how you focus on hypergamy as the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:41 AM
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First off you are a man so I find your stance of trying to seperate yourself from the rest of men really gross. Men=/= loony red pillers who don't like facts or data. What do you disregard exactly? the actual data on body count and sexual experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:55 PM
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They outright deny these simple facts. They disregard stats & data & just cope cope cope & lie to each other. lmao. You guys pretty much disregard all of the actual data on body count and sexual experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:47 PM
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self reported data in this area is actually largely accurate. https://datepsychology.com/did-a-fake-polygraph-catch-women-lying-about-their-sexual-partner-count/ https://datepsychology.com/is-self-reported-sexual-partner-data-accurate/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:44 PM
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firstly, While men tend to overexaggerate slightly more and women underexaggerate, since in closed systems of heterosexual relationships the average must approach 1:1, male and female averages are upper and lower bound by each other self reported body count. So if men claim a average body count of 6 and women 4, the true body count is probably going to be around five. https://datepsychology.com/is-self-reported-sexual-partner-data-accurate/ secondly, Alexander and Fisher (2003) had non- signific…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:43 PM
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Omg here we go again the with the anecdotal hand waving of evidence. Also, your examples don't even prove your point. Some guy having a fuck buddy for a bit, another guy dating for a short bit with some girl, another guy desiring a relationship (imagine my shock); is Hardly anything to doom and gloom about, in fact its pretty smack bang on what average is portrayed as in the stats. While men tend to overexaggerate slightly more and women underexaggerate, since in closed systems of heterosexual r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:40 PM
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Millions of people have sworn by particular ways of life or perspectives which they wholly believe work for them or be true, whether it be religion, political ideology or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:20 AM
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i just said this to another guy... if that's the quality of evidence you rely on, then don't pretend your ideology is anything other than a bunch of backwash of opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:39 AM
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if that's the quality of evidence you rely on, then don't pretend your ideology is anything other than a bunch of backwash of opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:38 AM
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I can scroll through dating profile after dating orogmfile tik tok videos Instagram YouTube and its endless examples that validate the red pill...at this point red pill is undeniable unless you just choose to be willfully ignorant. https://datepsychology.com/the-emotional-epistemology-of-the-red-pill/ If the issue were limited to the debate between subjectivity and empiricism that would be one thing. What’s even worse is that the epistemology of the red pill mostly doesn’t rely on personal exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 04:25 AM
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The problem is this ''female nature'' the red pill describes is misogynistic. Any red pliler when pressed on the issue will describe ''female nature'' as being inherently selfish, childish, shallow, materialistic, polyamorous and ''hypergamous'' (as a vague derogative). The only reason the red pill doesn't think it's misogynistic is because they think its correct. The examples you give aren't even examples of ''female nature'', just various cultural and technological conditions that (supposedly)…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 03:36 AM
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A predictive model that attempted to explain behaviour would need explanatory power, but behaviour itself (that was caused subconsciously) would not need explanatory power; Unlike some kind of intelligence outcome; but we know because of IQ tests that women and men have different but both 'sound' logic in figuring out shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:25 AM
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sure, but if hypothetically, the different internal workings led to no actual differences in behaviour, then how much relevance can they have?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 01:43 PM
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I'm not going to criticise the study here or data you present, but your framing of these findings is rather biased. I want to make it clear I'm not denying the differences between men or women here, I'm contesting the usefulness of things like brain scans, rather than quantifying actual outcomes in behaviour between men and women: which largely inform Argument 2 the you attempt to debunk. Within neuroscience — the best data in neuroscience about behavior is behavioral data, not brain imaging. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:11 PM
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because its a just so story. In reality men who invest in offspring have much greater reproductive success evolutionarily speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:45 AM
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Based on what tik toks ?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:37 AM
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Mabey women like slightly feminine guys? not everything is a trans conspiracy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:36 AM
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Most of B list, men do in the exact same amount, or (in the case of a high body count or sex work) very few women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:30 AM
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If women stopped doing all the things they normally do as women (like doing hair, make up shaving body hair, nails and toes, maximal skin care routine, no feminine behaviour ), and started to just ''not be fat'' what do you think they would look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:20 AM
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hypergamous sexually dimorphic male traits do you even know what ''hypergamous'' mean? There is no such thing as a ''hypergamous'' physical trait. Hypergamy is a behaviour, its an act.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 04:16 AM
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so do most men. I'm talking about the standards of men on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:54 AM
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can i get a source for parachutes being safer than jumping out of a plane
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:53 AM
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If you make up a bunch of pre requisites then sure men have it harder! lmao Men and women find different things attractive so listing a bunch of male traits isn't exactly an argument. Also some of your points are dumb any way. Deadlifting your own body weigh isn't exactly impressive nor do women care about how much you can deadlift. women find men how are bodybuilder lean or big to be unattractive anyway. Section B is literally my point. If women were just not fat and had long hair, but otherwis…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:52 AM
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Is that not still an option? If any average man has such low standards then why does she have to settle for well below average. The average woman isn't special, and isn't beautiful. She's overweight, and doesn't spend a lot of time, if any on her looks. Yet she still finds a husband. yeah i agree. but the guy isn't exactly a catch either
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:42 AM
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give me some traits
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:31 AM
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Armchair evo psy again
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:30 AM
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if she has options why was the last guy she dated a fat single father?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:27 AM
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Nope that isn't what I'm saying at all. 0 reading comphrention. My argument is that men who say that actually expect far more than just for a women to ''not be fat and wear make up'', they just don't see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:26 AM
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Well personasity isn't an irrelevant factor here. A part of being attractive as a woman is a femminie enough personality. She isn't bubbly, agreeable or sweet or anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:25 AM
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It’s pretty ironic a woman posting about not understanding all of the shit they have to go through to be seen as acceptable to the other sex. You should try jumping through all of the hoops men have to. I am a man. Also the fact that men think they are the only ones who have to jump through hoops is the point. Including women which kind of disproves your whole thing about men doing it, but even with all of that. Disproves what? men and women both did it i never argued otherwise. There are still …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:22 AM
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If she was a feminist (or just NOT whatever she currently is) there wouldn't be any woman calling her ugly that's for sure, For women sure. But being a feminist hasn't stopped any man from hating lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:13 AM
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Your conflating casual sex with attraction here. Women would rather not have sex with anyone than some random average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:10 AM
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I don't know what you are talking about. Pearl isn't exactly know to be successful with the men. She's had ever little to no successful long term relationships as far as im aware. The last guy she dated I pretty sure was quite literally fat and homeless (I think it was angry reacts gamer or something like that). And according to her own standards she is a loser. She's pushing 30 and unmarried.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:08 AM
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What is your idea of what this women would look like? how attractive are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:57 AM
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https://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2013/02/The-Mate-Switching-Hypothesis-FINAL-PUBLISHED-2017.pdf Dual mating strategy has been thrown out by evo psy read pages 147 onward
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 10:45 AM
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The red pill in a vacuum doesn't necessarily give bad advice. Getting fit, becoming confident and social, gaining status etc are all things that will improve someone's dating prospects. The problem with the the red pill is that it will misapply or misunderstand the psy or evo psy literature (and mix it with gendered bias) to draw downright false or misogynistic conclusions and as a result shoot themselves in the foot. For example, while it is true that women prefer muscular bodies, according to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 09:07 AM
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Animals construct hierarchies all the time where an alpha male kills other males, eats their kids, etc. all based on instincts which is as natural as can be; hierarchies aren’t inherently good or bad just because they’re natural. This is the same for humans. While it is true that humans have social hierarchies, that fact does not inherently prove what you are saying. Unlike animals human have had radically different systems of social hierarchies throughout history. Humans unlike animals have had…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 05:25 AM
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Bad analogy. Ending capitalism is impossible because every person has private ownership over their body (which is required to produce goods) and the existence of any private ownership contradicts socialism. Each statement gets dumber and dumber Firstly labour and capitol are different things Secondly. since human bodies have always existed with human history, are u saying that capitalism has always existed and that we have never not had capitalism? Very post modern definitions necessarily becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 05:09 AM
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I already said that we will always be under a patriarchal society regardless of whether it’s the 1800s or full egalitarian communism in the year 21XX. Because... men can ENFORCE it at any time... according to your argument. Also this is like saying all societies are socialist because at anytime the masses or workers can take control of the economy and end capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 03:08 AM
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The title itself is a contradiction. Patriarchy is not enforced by men. But you also say you would still have a patriarchy because the men could decide at any moment to end egalitarianism and force all the women out of jobs and education because they’re stronger and can’t get pregnant. Firstly, patriarchy is inevitable and egalitarian feminism is impossible because men are the only sex capable of granting and taking away rights from others because men are stronger than women and cannot get pregn…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 03:00 AM
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Firstly, patriarchy is inevitable and egalitarian feminism is impossible because men are the only sex capable of granting and taking away rights from others because men are stronger than women and cannot get pregnant. As a result, men can give/take rights from other men, men can give/take rights from women, but women cannot give/take rights from men. This implies that men taking away women's rights is natural or inherent, or that constructing systems of power that inherently take away particular…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 02:57 AM
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Timeline of Democrats' opportunities to make Selective Service / draft gender neutral throughout the last ~100ish years I don't care. The dems are doing it now. Its the Republicans who are the ones that support the draft and oppose women serving the draft. F We don't complain that it's sexism that women don't get the draft. We complain that it is sexism that Western women can exist in this reality where someone else is forced to die for their peace and security, and STILL SUCCESSFULLY get the en…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:52 AM
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I mean we can argue back and forth out the exact voting lines but it is absolutely true that in the senate democrats largely pushed for gender neutrality historically. Hell even Hillary Clinton did OP mentioned "feminists"; NCFM is quite openly an anti-feminist organization. What feminists are in favor of or oppose from the comfort of their own couches is irrelevant. MRAs who presumably "do nothing but whine" did the legwork to go all the way up to Supreme Court. You misunderstood my point. I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:21 AM
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Thus far, it were men's rights activists and not feminists who successfully brought this issue to Supreme Court. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coalition_for_Men_v._Selective_Service_System Buddy just because their was an instance where MRA's brought the issue to court does not mean the democrats, or otherwise, haven't tired to make selective service gender neutral by law of many years now. Do you understand that these two things aren't mutually exclusive? Even if ALL politicians in favo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:51 AM
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This sub discusses sex and gender issues not just dating
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 01:44 AM
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Its been my experience that Red Pillers don't really care about the draft. They only care that it acts as a rhetorical device to handwave or dismiss any legitimate grievances women have. The amount of times on this sub I've herd something along the lines of ''Feminists in South Korea protest against sexual assault, and yet the conservative government instils a draft- Checkmate Feminists''.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 01:34 AM
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Missed this post originally Women no longer overwhelmingly initiating divorce Yes this is true. But it doesn't really mean anything on its own. It tells you nothing to why women are choosing to divorce, or more importantly what is causing the divorce. Women no longer engaging en masse and as an absolute norm in hypergamous behavior Women en masse dating down and especially significantly downwards in line with men's patterns Womens and mens mating pattens (ie their actual behaviour, not just pref…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:28 AM
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This is the amount of sex they actually have, not hypothetically how much casual sex they can have
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:15 AM
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nope thats not what im saying. I saying both genders don't have much sex, not ''can't''
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 10:11 AM
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if you take the, GSS data and increase men’s lower and upper age bound by 3 years, the gaps are considerably minimized, reversing in a couple of cases. It therefore seems reasonable to attribute the singles gap to age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 05:03 AM
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Look at the actual data. While their is a slither of truth in the red pill that sex is distributed slightly more unevenly in men compared to women, all the data we have on this issue points to the bottom 85-90% of Men and Women having very similar and low amounts of sexual partners. While the top 10-15 % of both Genders are having large amounts of sexual partners. In other words, its not anywhere near close to 80% of women having sex with 20% of Men, but 15-10% of Men having lots of sex with 10-…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:54 AM
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The vast majority of both men and women have few sexual partners. While their is a slither of truth in the red pill that sex is distributed slightly more unevenly in men compared to women, all the data we have on this issue points to the bottom 85-90% of Men and Women having very similar and low amounts of sexual partners. While the top 10-15 % of both Genders are having large amounts of sexual partners. In other words, its not anywhere near close to 80% of women having sex with 20% of Men, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:53 AM
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Pew research, again when viral when they reported that 63% of young men are single compared to 34% of young women. But is this data consistent with other findings? And What can explain the data? Is the ''Chad Harmen theory'' true? When we look at the American Perspectives Survey (which has a similar sample size) contrary to the Pew findings, the singleness rate for 18-29 men dropped, from 59% in 2020 to 57% in 2022. Women’s singleness rate also rose more than it did in the Pew survey, from 38% i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:50 AM
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You’re the ones who refuse to provide any evidence. ......
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:05 AM
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So now actual studies are important? You guys flip flop so fast its unreal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:03 AM
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Bruh im not going to creep around with a camera. Theirs livestrems on yt that do walks and stuff you can look on there
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:02 AM
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A group of hundreds of thousands of men going out and testing hypotheses over and over again, continuously changing them, and retesting, is far more scientific than any study ever done. Again this just isn't science. There too much bias and noise going on. I'll give an example of what I mean. A skinny guy goes out and gets really jacked, then he starts to get more girls. What exactly can we determine from these findings? Well, firstly it could be the case that he became more attractive to all wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 06:58 AM
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It see you guys don't actually understand what science is, or how studies are conducted. Dude doing trial and error stuff on forums isn't science. There a least a dozen problems with someone being their own sample for research and not actually doing a proper study.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 06:24 AM
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This is just flat out Wong. Yes you have to prove why your hypothesis is better than others, but you still have have evidence for your won theory lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 06:24 AM
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This is a ''Just so'' story. Actual evo psy requires you to prove what you are saying. You could easily make up a dozen other stories to why it would be an evolutionary advantage for women to be prosocial
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 06:12 AM
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Funny you keep showing me studies but refuse to do the 30 minute experiment I told you to do. christ you guys don't understand how science works do you. Going out and filming couples is ripe will all sorts bias and poor methodological design. Besides im pretty sure their are some incel channels which look at ''ooofy doofy theory'' (not kidding) which analyses couple in the street. Again I dont trust studies that are funded by woke universities. They are incentivized to perpetuate the blue pill. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 06:07 AM
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This is the most armchair pesudo evo psy thing I have ever read. You know evo psy isn't just making up 'just so' stories right? Evidence is required. Women are much more liley to exibit pro social behaviour compared to men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 05:59 AM
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Do one simple experiment, go outside in public and record what the couples look like. Ideally it should be a place where young couples in their early 20s hang out like malls, movie theaters, boardwalk beach or any downtown shopping districts. We have far better evidence than filming randoms in public (hardly scientific). We KNOW for a fact most relationships are assortive, meaning both partners are similar in attractiveness level, education and socioeconomic status. [Taylor et al, 2011][Conroy B…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 05:46 AM
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What would disprove the black pill are women going for THEIR LOOKSMATCH Most men and women are both ''hypergamous'' in the sense that they prefer and desire a partner with higher mate value; however most relationships are assortive, meaning both partners are similar in attractiveness level, education and socioeconomic status. [Taylor et al, 2011][Conroy Beam et Al (2019)] [ Robinson et al 2017] and treating their looks match THE SAME WAY they would treat a chad. Most people are satisfied in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 05:37 AM
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No i just find it entertaining to argue online
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 05:23 AM
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Like what? what discoveries has the red pill made?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:54 AM
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What ''science''? exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:53 AM
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Well, if you posit the red pill as just a life strategy or an attitude, sure it can't be 'debunked' because its just a value judgement. But the observations or ''facts'' the red pill espouses can certainly be falsifiable. absolutes that are grounded in reality Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:50 AM
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TRP is just a description of what women are like. Women are extremely selfish. Some women are not only selfish, but they're like snakes. Well presumably you came to this conclusion by looking at some type of evidence right? So what would the evidence have to say to contradict this belief? I mean well duh some women are selfish obviously, but most?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:47 AM
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nope i don't think so. because i don't think ive ever actually been given evidence by someone red pill that i didn't either already believe, or didn't care much about so i had no sway either way really
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 12:22 PM
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Well, my beliefs were actually far more red pill or black pill initially, they were actually the last set of beliefs to change as I became more left wing. As I did more research, more and more of the red pill appeared to be based on total opinion, cherry picked or misleading evidence and bad data. I used to believe that women were only attracted to/ having sex with 20% of men, that most young men were virgins (compared to women) and so on and so on. Until evidence proved otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 11:43 AM
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The right to an abortion isn't rooted in the idea that people ''have the right to be a parent or not'', its rooted in biological bodily autonomy that only indirectly causes the choice to be a parent or not for women. This is why its not a contradiction to deny men ''paper abortions'', because biological bodily autonomy and the choice to be a parent are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 03:23 AM
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This has been argue ad nauseum on another thread, The draft is imposed by a largely conservative government and status qou in South Korea. The feminist movement in south Korea is backlash against this prevailing conservative reign, mostly focusing on SA against women. A feminist group does not have to focus on every issue at once. The belief in equality but a focus on woman's issues isn't a contradiction. Every single pollical movement ever focuses on somethings and not others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 03:19 AM
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I'm actually mostly a combination of bluebill and black pill Blue pill: ''everyone find their person'': the vast majority of people will mate assortively with someone of their own partner mate value. Most people date in their education, income, class and attractiveness level. Black pill: How attractive your partner will be is largely determined by your own attractiveness. Blue pill: Personality, prosocial behaviour, kindness etc (an things like education) matters for finding a quality partner an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 02:46 AM
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ahahahahahah Rhodes et al 2005 is study 3 look at in the article. Its Hedges’ g (effect size) was 0.18. The effect sizes overall were o.14. So over all the effect sizes were very very small. https://scientificallysound.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/cohen_example-e1499923427851.png?w=860 smaller than the first bell curve representation ''values of 0.20, 0.50, and 0.80 for Cohen’s d and Hedges’ g are commonly considered to be indicative of small, medium, and large effects'' Also, (even if) one lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:56 AM
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I responded to your rebuttal here''Yeah if your more attractive, its easier to have a high body count. But more attractive people are less likely to desire short term mating and have higher body counts. thats the literal conclusion of the research'' And you responded by saying ''Except it isn't at all for men.'' Except that it LITTERALY is the case that for men who are attractive, they are less likely to have high body counts because they choose not to employ a short term mating strategy; as exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:44 AM
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I hate to go around in circles here, but look at the actual research: attractiveness has level little effect (if any) as a predictor for body count, and Is Monogamy For Betas?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:33 AM
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See a huge swath of the populous due to values decides not to engage in casual sex. Therefore that choice will produce a huge confound. However among the men who choose to engage in casual sex, anyone who thinks attractiveness won't have a high correlation with body count is simply being willfully moronic Yeah if your more attractive, its easier to have a high body count. But more attractive people are less likley to desire short term mating and have higher body counts. thats the litteral conclu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:25 AM
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Oh yeah psychologist researches say their data are accurate, fucking news cops investigates themselves and find no wrong doing. The whole field is sinking on a replication crisis. and yet self reported body count studies, and attractiveness vs body count have been replicated again and again with simular results
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 03:21 AM
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Tinder has been around since 2012. And was popular post 2016. Tinder means attractive people can have more options. It does not mean attractive people Will go on to choose to have sex with more people. Attractive people are more likely to employ long term dating methods and will not have higer body counts on average, hence the article i linked. The self reported data is also reliable. https://datepsychology.com/did-a-fake-polygraph-catch-women-lying-about-their-sexual-partner-count/ https://date…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:13 AM
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My favourite red pill argument. ''Every thing changed in a few years brooo''- you guys have been saying this shit since like 2015. Red Pill arguments haven't changed much. The rational male was published in 2013, The linked meta analysis look at 18 studies. 7 of which were post 2016. 4 of which were post 2010. All show basically the same results regardless of time period.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 01:56 AM
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I really, really think you failed to understand the post or comprehend the arguments made here. Seems like just the polar opposite of how women operate. The finding of DT are not gendered. DT women are also more likely to have higher body counts and more children. Dark triad is being a man that doesnt associate or internalize femininity? And is always prioritizing sexual access and experience? Sure if by masculinity you mean poor mental health and unstable relationships. the Dark Triad is more c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 12:59 AM
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While narcissism is said to do most of the heavy lifting here (which is linked to attractiveness)- attractiveness has level little effect (if any) as a predictor for body count
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 12:50 AM
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Nothing u said here disagrees with my argument. If fact, it is basically the argument im making lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 12:46 AM
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Yeah, based on my research only a few things predict a high body count DT (reasons why are discussed above) A ''short life strategy'' or short term mating stragity (attractive individuals are actually less likely to employ short term stragities) Not having Autism, and having high Extroversion Shoulder to W ratio in men (Although heigh and face has no correlation to body count) disgust sensitivity and standards
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 12:43 AM
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The so called Dark Triad people have one thing going for them which is very attractive to women. If a DT individal gets with an attractive person, its likley because that person is also attractive and DT themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 12:37 AM
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clearly not understanding the points i made
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 10:57 AM
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and yet that fufiling sex is few and far between. Which contradicts the original point made
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 10:24 AM
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When old dudes harp on about how young women are better they never mention that young women don't want then. ''Women prefer much older men'' and ''Men become most sexually desirable to young women at around 35'' is wrong [1][2][3] Women (on average) prefer men who are 2-4 years older than them, until they are middle aged where they start preferring men who are slightly younger. [1] Conroy-Beam, D., & Buss, D. M. (2019). Why is age so important in human mating? Evolved age preferences and their i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 10:22 AM
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Could be a younger woman who wants the wealthy older man she's having an affair with to divorce his wife and get with her. A younger women can just do that tho. he's either delusional or a troll
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 10:21 AM
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Your assuming that random sex with any man equals to these improvements in mental health. A healthy sex live is not the same as just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:45 AM
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Oh here we go again. Women are inherently valuable, while men are inherently disposable. In the dating market, men need to bring something to the table (looks, wealth, status, etc), but women are the table. In the social market, women are automatically accepted into social groups as long as she's cooperative/agreeable, even if she's boring and unexceptional. But for a male to be accepted, he needs to bring something of his own- whether it's being exceptionally funny/interesting, exceptionally we…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 08:48 AM
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Verifiably false. Young male sexlessness rates are higher than women's. Are men becoming more likely to be virgin or sexless (compared to women)? The male sexless gap when viral recently with this graph (GSS Data from Pew). But just how true is it? These is some truth to the red pill in that men tend to generally report more sexless than women, the differences are overexaggerated. Looking at the GSS data from those under 35 1989-2021 shows as much more similar picture between genders. The large …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:16 AM
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What does women’s AFBB have to do with evolutionary psych? the dual dual mating strategy hypothesis is ''AFBB'' in the 'science' Women cheat like crazy. There’s no disputing this. Every man either has been cheated on, or has a close friend that has. Women are actually cheat less than men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:45 AM
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Your ethical opinion of the issue, again, doesn't make it not a rights issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 05:06 AM
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04375-6 a more recent article shows further explanation, see my other comment for explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 05:02 AM
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Firstly, giving an example to explain causation not correlation is not a bad argument but i digress. While polygamy can cause more war etc, not all war etc is caused by polygamy. War itself can also cause greater levels of polygamy (but that another topic). So you haven't really 'thrown'' the causality back at us at all. You don't need polygamy to have a y bottle neck happen anyway, hence the alterative explanation. War isn't the only ingredient in explaining the bottle neck, you also need patri…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 04:51 AM
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Alright buddy no need to get all pissy. Did you not post an article as well my little pill boy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:59 AM
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The study "Off with her hair: Intrasexually competitive women advise other women to cut off more hair" by Danielle Sulikowski and her team provides empirical evidence that women with higher levels of intrasexual competitiveness tend to suggest more drastic haircuts for attractive women, subtly undermining their appearance and reducing competition for mates. Btw you put the wrong link in https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S019188692300329X-gr4.jpg https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:55 AM
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regardless the idea that only a few men monopolized women isn't really true for early history, https://np.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comments/ksit9f/explain_again_how_hypergamy_isnt_true/gig8fh1/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:30 AM
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will be interesting to see if he responds
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:28 AM
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Its as conservative vs liberal issue AND a womens rights issue. just because some women oppose it doesn't mean it isn't so
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:22 AM
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https://nuancepill.com/did-1-man-reproduce-for-every-17-women/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:20 AM
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https://nuancepill.com/did-1-man-reproduce-for-every-17-women/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:19 AM
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Agrarian society is not pre-history, so humans didn't really ''evolve'' from that period. Its only 8-10 thousand years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:09 AM
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None of the "pills'' do any of these things. Science does those things. Every tidbit and factoid the red pill occasionally gets right is drawn from mainstream psychology. This is why the red pill often relies on citing “evolutionary psychology” for authority. Incidentally, when the stars align they are also happy setting aside their motivated skepticism of statistical research and accepting the findings of studies that are conducted in the exact same way as any other in psychology. There is not …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:51 AM
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A lot of people in the comments are repeating the same red pill mantras, but I see two main reason here: By your late 30s most people have already been married off or are in LTRs. The winners tend to get picked somewhat early, the less desirable people tend to got get paired up later as otherwise someone would have pick them already. I spoken about this before but your about 15 years too old to be attractive to young women. So if you are trying to chase them, it explains the cold shoulder.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:59 AM
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yes, i understand that the averages will always be the same, regardless of distribution. I get that. That's not my argument here. My argument is that the distribution in either sex is similar indicating that80/20 is not true
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 12:07 AM
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But that's not what the concept of "hypergamy" is referring to. And accordingly, the 3 studies you linked as reference don't use the term at all. Because it discusses assortive mating which is antithetical to hypergamy. What hypergamy is referring to instead is women's desire to date up based on specific traits. Women generally want men taller, stronger, more socially assertive, and often more financially capable than themselves. And men what women who are younger, prettier, agreeable, high in p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:35 PM
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Yes, I undertand it better than you. Hypergamy is not human-only phenomen. Do you know why even women are hypergamous? What you described is only how it can manifest in human. Do you really thing I used "meme" as "evidence"? If so, I think it's better to stop here. Hypergamy is a social science term which only refers to humans. Hypergamy is never used to describe animal behaviour in any scientific literature. Sexual selection is not the same as hypergamy. Hypergamy does not exist in animals beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:08 PM
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''If the issue were limited to the debate between subjectivity and empiricism that would be one thing. What’s even worse is that the epistemology of the red pill mostly doesn’t rely on personal experience at all. The epistemology of the red pill relies more on third-person anecdotes. We could call this imbecile empiricism. A great number of red pill denizens don’t actually have much first-hand experience with women. Many of the top influencers within the subculture rely on TikTok videos, sex wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:53 PM
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I don't need to read any of your stuff when you've not formulated a logically recevable argument, I think I was clear about it in the first sentence I wrote. What is not logical about my argument? I clearly stated that most relationships are assortive, despite most people have strong preferences for those with high mate value. Quoting Conroy Beam et Al (2019) simply put, people will end up with those who are similar to them in many characteristics, including "mate value" (ex.: A 6 dating a 6, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:39 PM
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I don't think you understand the point then. if the bottom 90% have the same body count, then the differences in distribution really only exist between the top 10%, so nothing like the 80/20 rule. Indicating that the top 10% are mating with the other top ten percent mostly in an somewhat uneven fashion, but the bottom 90% are just having pretty assortive sex with each other. In other words the data shows: https://datepsychology.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/IMG_0981.png
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:34 PM
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you don't know shit
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:13 PM
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Learn what averages are buddy. Outliers don't negate the rule. low iq comment
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:13 PM
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And no, most relationships are not assortive, and there are more relationships where the man has higher value than relationships where the man has lower value. Having preference doesn't mean ability to get the preference so whatever paper you linked is irrelevant. The papers i linked prove assortive mating. Learn to read. Instead you give opinions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships shows women prefer sightly older men and dislike younger men. Learn to read. I cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:11 PM
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OP do you even know what constitutes as SMV for both men and women ? Because this is embarrassing SMV in women relates to youth, look etc etc. But what you don't understand is that just because a women is older does not mean her smv becomes inherently lesser than mens. Men still desire women much more strongly than the other way round. Any women can go on a dating app or speed dating even and get loads of attention from dudes. You absolutely don't know what the 80/20 rule means and are just goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 12:46 PM
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Yes, and those "definitions" are terrible, do you even understand the core source of female hipergamy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TcLxlkc2pA Do you know this meme video? My point is, why male is wooing here and building the nest and female is picky and NOT the other way around? If you understand that, you almost understand hypergamy. DO YOU understand what hypergamy is? The video here has proved you have no clue what 'hypergamy' actually is. Hypergamy is not women being picky or what ever.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 12:38 PM
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Honestly this points are easily refutable given it mostly comes from people who've not done their homework on TRP No, all you've done is move the goal posts by giving your own idiosyncratic definitions for the red pill. Also agree that most people date within their age range, when it comes to SMV: Women peak at 23 Men peak at 35+ This is a descriptive analysis, TRP is not saying old guys are getting with younger women I mean, no, most RPers don't believe thats it based on relative age groups. Re…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 12:06 PM
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i mean you can literally find a study to say pretty much anything and interpret is as you wish This is only said by people who don't understand how science works. Yes, you can cherry pick evidence, but most of the time a field of science converges on at least some understanding of how something works, and that is reviled usually in the evidence and studies; especially if they review a wide range of studies and review large amounts of evidence. Most of what ive written here is well supported by t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:45 AM
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Well no, the average should always be the same, just the percentiles/median would tell a different story. What we want to know is the distribution of number of partners by sex. And you know what's actually interesting about your links is if you look at figure 1 Completely undermines your argument. Worse that figure is from 1993 so the modern affect of dating apps that the entire counter-cultural red pill/black pill/purple pill manosphere movement claims has made the entire market insane doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:10 AM
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This is complete trash, men are NOT hypergamous and "better" being "better" than "good" is not the definition of hypergamy, that's pretty basic, you've failed at definition anyway, yet you want to correct others. The definition of hypergamy relates to either 1) socioeconomic status 2) partner mate value in academia. Incorrect again, that's more or less peak SMV year for your average man, not peak attractiveness in the eyes of "young woman", without even an arbitral definition of "young" age brac…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:43 AM
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I hate to point this out, but these are all Red Pill statments in thier entirity. No they are not. most red pill men never talk about these things, ever. ''However lots of women DO ride the cock carousel'' is not that same as 'most women' The studies almost always show men with more partners than women which has generally been baffling until they realized the women were lying and that accounts for the gap. Men overexaggerate and women under. The difference between self reported totals are like o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 06:17 AM
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I do agree with your main point, and i do agree the munecat also conflates TRP with EvoPSY However, the blue pill rhetoric is largely a response to red pilll rhetoric is regards to age gaps. No blue pill person is looking towards evopsy observations to justify morality. That's entirely the red pill. The red pill regularly misuses evopsy. For example, red pillers are quick to point out that men prefer much younger women, women prefer men who are only 3-4 years older than them. refer too (Buss is …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:18 AM
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I thought looksmaxing was about building self-confidence and loving how you look? Looksmaxing never had anything to do with this. It was always a black pill hardcore rationalist approach to self improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 06:22 AM
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Your definition of 'baseline' is different to mine, so it really isn't countering my point. (morphed) average features are different to a statistical average face. A morphed average face are faces which are well above average compared to the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 06:19 AM
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i agree to this
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:52 AM
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Men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:51 AM
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Yes. Do I also need evidence supporting my assertion that the sky is blue? Yeah, thats the point of debate. You can't just assert your position is true then provide no reason why that is the case. This is pretty embolic of your views. You seem to hold a bunch of assumptions about the world that seem self evident but aren't actually true or self evident to other people. I don't think you understand that. the woman is hypergamous; however, if a man with lots of ambition wants to date a woman with …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:50 AM
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Incorrect. The entire point of my post is that women are hypergamous in every single trait. There isn't one trait in which men must date up to be satisfied, whereas women must date up in all traits to be satisfied. According to the red pill, Men what to date ''up'' in pretty much all these traits ''looks, youth, fertility, personality traits like submissive or agreeable, innocent or purity''. Secondly, again you have asserted without evidence that women in general are unsatisfied with a man equa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 02:00 AM
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Firstly, What you've done here give a bunch of observations without evidence then sprinkled on a bunch of ''ad hoc'' just so stories. ''Women like alpha guys'', and if their not with alpha guys then your assuming (without evidence) that they must be settling or the men are beta bucks. Secondly, almost all of what you said here can apply to men just as much. Men are hypergamous in terms of looks, youth, fertility, personality traits like submissive or agreeable, innocent or purity. And if men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:15 AM
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are you saying lesbians are abusing female partners through the use of a male goon?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 03:52 AM
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Yes the Halo effect does exist. But your argument assumes that the only people precited to have good personalities are attractive people, and that the only people integrated in soial settings are attractive. This is just not true at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 02:14 AM
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Do you think he would have the same suscess if he was an uptight boring guy, rather than a carefree dude that drank and has fun and is relaxed?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 02:10 AM
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except that 'personality'' in this case is not ''personality'' but ''bio''. Its impossible to gage perosnality on an online dating site.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 02:07 AM
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repeated exposure in social settings
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 02:05 AM
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male and female attractiveness do not sit on the same normative distribution or bell curve
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 02:04 AM
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true chads are an incredibly small percentage of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 02:04 AM
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you sound bitter bro. do what ever mental gymnastics you like to keep believing in the red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 11:13 AM
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I am not a woman I answered your fucking question. Women are attracted to money and status to an extent ,but not greater than there preference to men their own age. You seem incapable of understanding nuance ''when faced with the realization that their reality is not what they think it is.'' LMAO seem like you can't accept that reality is more complex than what you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 06:55 AM
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can you read? Can you not think in black and white? Women are attracted to money and status to an extent, although not greater than the desire isn't great enough to date a man much older than them on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 02:47 AM
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They are attract to those things to an extent. However not grater than their desire to be with a hot guy their own age
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 02:32 AM
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I not 'ignoring' anything. The discussion here is about lifetime rape victimisation. males in juvi centres only make up a small amount of sexual assaults occurring in custody (and are included in the 900,000 thousand figure), simply due to the fact most incarcerated people are men in adult prisons
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:28 AM
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one of which is the complete lack of recognition of male rape victims for decades, and the massive amount of men who have been raped but don't even realize it The exact same thing is true for women. Most rapes go unreported, most reported rapes go no where and most few rapists go to jail. Rape acknowledgement is also low for women (this is well documented), just as it is for men. Also the purpose of the CDC study and its methodology is designed to account for low rape acknowledgement. This is wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:17 AM
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As for the crime itself - there are plenty of (predominantly male) law enforcers who will be glad to mag dump a rapist if they happen to be close to site or later as they move to arrest him. Then, if perp survives - there are predominantly male prosecutors and judges who's job is to put his ass on a prison buttsex menu. Lmao this is a childish male fantasy as to how the justice system actual operates towards rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:58 AM
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Lifetime statistics are fuzzier because of a variety of factors, but even if we take at face value that more women have been raped over their lifetime than men Of course ignore the main findings of the study... again over a lifetime Even if you include 'made to penetrate' the amount of R victims are still double for women. apparently women are now going on a raping spree like never before, because men are being "made to penetrate" as often as women are being raped every year. This an unfounded i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:44 AM
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https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm Even if you include 'made to penetrate' the amount of R victims are still double for women. Also im aware of the reciprocal DV stat as well. What you don't mention is that severity of DV is asymmetrical, as discussed in the study your gonna cite.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:11 AM
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Because more often than not it is relevant because it provides perspective and context to the argument. For example, men on this sub love to argue that women have all the power in relationships/casual sex because men sexually desire women more than vice versa. Women have all the power and all the fun in relationships only if you ignore the obvious downside to the desire gap; SA victimisation. Which is a massive negative men love to ignore. Also Men on this sub love to bring up things like False …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:03 AM
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How many women do you think are extreme fetish prostitutes bud? It’s like pointing about that some men have scat fetishes and claiming all men are like that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 03:15 AM
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This is just WRONG with a capital W. Having sex with a drunk person is not rape unless they are too intoxicated to consent. For example in NSW Australia: https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/can-a-person-consent-to-sexual-activity-whilst-intoxicated/ Merely being intoxicated by alcohol or “high” on drugs does not necessarily mean a person cannot consent to sexual activity. However, a person who is so intoxicated or high that they cannot freely and voluntarily agree to sexual activity ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 06:10 AM
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At this point you’re not really arguing about the topic but some cooked up idea in your head of what other feminists believe and not anything I have said.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 12:05 AM
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Do you care about things that occur outside of your immediate family?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 11:34 PM
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How do you explain this: How do i ''explain'' what? An anecdotal example of a false positive? Also the link provides an example where the women did in fact consent. I more talking about a situation where the woman did in fact not consent, but the man was too reckless or stupid to realise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 11:02 AM
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The result is decided in advance and the survey rigged to get the right numbers conspiracy!!! very good argument
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:15 AM
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I don't want to restrict anyone's rights. My argument (in response to your suggestion that women would be treated like cattle) was that IF we were to restrict anyone's rights, it would make more sense that it would be men's rights we restrict.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 08:24 AM
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Mens rea is necessary for a perp, but not not necessarily a victim. I mean for a victim to go to the police they must think they were raped despite the mens rea being unknowable from the perspective of the woman. Secondly, looking at the cdc numbers, force is used in the majority of rapes used force. I mean, truly, such a small amount of cases would realistically lack mens rea. Like, miscommunication over kissing or something? sure- but if were talking about rape here its pretty clear if you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 08:20 AM
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Very low quality control on survey questions demonstrates a lack of skepticism on part of the researchers, combined with strong ideological incentive, and poor reporting and research practice, there is a lot of room for researchers to draw bad conclusions. Of course zero examples or citations are given. And you repeat this notion throughout your comment without evidence. plenty of scenarios that are not reasonably rape (lack of mens rea, miscommunication, .etc . Mens rea is necessary for a perp,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 08:20 AM
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I admire the attempt of a little gottya answer you have their. We take away rights of vulnerable people based off of their cognitive ability, not because they are victims of crime. On the other hand we generally restrict the freedom of individuals who are threats to us; through various mechanisms of securitization (national security apparatus Muslims/ immigrants etc), or through other social/ legal boundaries. If you suppose it would be ok to restrict women; it would make such more sense to rest…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 08:05 AM
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These types of surveys don't fall under gender studies as an academic discipline. Gender studies is the study of gender roles in society. This is more under the field of public health, sociology, stats and analytics ect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 07:57 AM
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"The FBI" does not decide what constitutes a crime Yes i know. these studies base their definions on these types of guideline. Yes i am aware the the UCR also uses slightly different definitions. Definitions within NISVS being or not being broad is not a matter of opinion. They are. If convictions magically instantly aligned with NISVS self-reported victimization NISVS only has a slightly boarder definition of rape than the NCVS. The differences in response rates is only partially due to the dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 07:53 AM
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All of these studies include men. The cdc also looks at made to penetrate which is interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 11:48 PM
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Big strong red pill man so alpha for not caring about rape
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 11:44 PM
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Do you disregard all surveys on crime, including men’s responses to rape or SA (r they lying as well)? Do you also want to throw out all the crime data from the UCR and the NCVS about Robbery, assault etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 11:44 PM
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At any point did I make the argument that men also don’t face high rates of rape? Secondly the reason why the study differentiates made to penetrate and other forms of rape is because these studies generally give a definition of rape that is consistent with its criminal definition unless otherwise specified. The fbi only changed its definition in 2013.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 11:39 PM
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https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf Are you referring to this report? I’m actually well aware of it. The data for this report was a 18 year long look at victimisation rates of collage students for the previous 12 months. It states 1 in 54 collage woman have been raped the past year. This is not the same as a lifetime estimate. In contrast 2011 NISVS data, 2% of all females experienced unwanted sexual contact during the prior 12 months.1 The 2007 CSA findings suggested that 14% of…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 09:00 AM
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Or course the argument quickly becomes “most women who say they have been raped are actually lying and just regret sex” (without evidence of course)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 08:00 AM
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The times article you link mainly talks about the 2010/11 cdc study. The objections he makes (ie definition too broad/ drunken hook ups) in the article I specifically talk about in my post. Link the 1 in 54 study. I curious to why this study is unbiased according to you (because it agrees with you?hmm) Your jumping around with different stats and methodologies here. Firstly fbi and other data is on a per year basis, not lifetime. Most of the surveys I cite give low response rates for the past ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 07:49 AM
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Christ, if you guys bothered to READ the study or my post you would know that: rape and attempted rape were DIFFERENT categories in the study. 14.8% completed, 2.8% attempted. Page 3 exhibit 1. ''Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women: Findings From the National Violence Against Women Survey'' "- Yo Claire. Let me stick my tongue in your pussy. Or you'll see who's the strongest. -''Get away you creep." NO this is counted as an example of attempted rape. as per page 13 …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 06:37 AM
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SA" and "RAPE" are often used in the same conversation by misandrists were not talking about conversation here. were talking about study methodology. Bringing up a vague general notion of what feminists believe in Canada is missing the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 05:54 AM
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I specifically give stats regarding rape, not SA. You guys just keep repeating the same talking points even when they aren't relevant. Also your example is still SA.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 05:46 AM
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You guys are just being blatantly dishonest. all the studies i cite are from the USA and define rape, attempted rape and sexual assault separately Grinding against someone consensually is sexual assault Canada has different levels of category of sexual assault. Level one offences are very different to level 3 offences
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 05:32 AM
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No they do not. They simply don't. Actually read my post or any of these studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 05:03 AM
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yep that is true based on the cdc studies
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 04:38 AM
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By definition, How are you responsible for something you can’t accurately control or foresee? It’s like saying a person is responsible for a random car accident or other adverse life event (despite taking normal precautions).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:19 AM
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How exactly are you able to accurately foresee someone abusing you multiple years into the future of a relationship? Because as far as I’m aware none of the obvious flags for abuse were present (substance dependency/criminal history/ unemployment). Also, how are you meant to determine traits of a traditional relationship versus traits of an abusive relationship; financial dependence being one that exists in all trad relationships for example is a hotbed for potential abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:59 AM
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Attractive women and rich men who date are the exception, not the other way around. Only few couples date in this value exchange way. Like go to a collage, who are the hottest girls there dating? It isn’t rich old men, it’s the athletes or the super hot guys in collage
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:51 AM
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If you truly care about “being a corporate slave”: a Marxist would understand the pittfalls of being reliant on another person entirely for income and livelihood and the power dynamic it would create. But of course the red pill objections always become “any progress or social change is bad so women need to stfu and stop complaining” The exact same thing was said in another thread about conscription.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 08:36 PM
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Just because rich men have attractive wives (which may not even be true) does not mean most attractive women try to bag the richest men. Sugaring type relationships isn’t representative. most Most attractive women don’t choose the most wealthy men. Statistically people date assortativity; similar age, wealth, education, looks date people with the same age, wealth, education, looks. Look at age gap rates for example? Why do young women (ie the most attractive) prefer to date only a few years olde…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 08:24 PM
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Well one guys median income nowadays would certainly be below median and average - this lower standard of living compared to the rest of the population
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:34 AM
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Again your personal family experiences are not representative of the statistical population provably.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:22 AM
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There seems to be some things that you just don’t accept. 1. Repeating muh “supply and demand” over and over again isn’t an argument. It is the ramblings of a person who took a 101 economics class and thinks they have a PHD. 2. Moving the goalposts in regard to women and children working the fields in medieval times. An equal amount of women worked the fields for a living compared to men. No argument was made about efficiency here. 3. https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/womens_work_…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:21 AM
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You absolutely can compare standards of living across time. Life expectancy, child mortality etc and all valid metrics to measure quality of life. No one here is going “oh they didn’t have tik tok so their life must suck”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:11 AM
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There are tons of households in the US that make that much or less and do not have significantly lower life expectancy, infant mortality, or education quality. The median household income (most being dual incomes) in the us is $74,000 and half make less than that. You can "easily" get by with a smaller house, older vehicles, older tech etc on 50k without compromising on basic life outcome metrics. This arguably supports my position. Men can in fact support a household on one income, refuting the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 07:23 AM
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Your family’s personal experience is just not relevant when talking about an entire population.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:48 AM
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Those things existed. But how many households had those things? https://www.aceee.org/files/proceedings/2004/data/papers/SS04_Panel1_Paper17.pdf Half of all households heated with coal in 1940, and another quarter heated with wood. In 1940 nearly half of houses lacked hot piped water, a bathtub or shower, or a flush toilet. Over a third of houses didn’t have a flush toilet. As late as 1960, over 25% of the houses in 16 states didn’t have complete plumbing facilities. Only by the By 1960, fuel oi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:28 AM
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And this stagnated wages making any gain moot, so congratulations? This is true. But the question is WHY is this the case. Women in the work force causing stagnating wages? That's a big claim which requires a lot of evidence. I don't think there an economist on earth that suggests the cause for stagnating wages is women in the work force. Yeah, almost like PVC (the thing that makes plumbing cheap, accessible and durable) was not widespread until the 50s. Missing the point and finding it all at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 02:46 AM
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If its a marrage then its both peoples property not just his. That the point of a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:37 AM
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I’m not talking about the scenario just in general
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:53 AM
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whoa so smart you got me bro
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:02 AM
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There isn't some kind of 'rape culture' where a bunch of dudes look at a woman and say 'this bitch is asking for it let's rape her'. This is literally what you are arguing when you say wearing skimpy clothing and being drunk makes women more likely to get raped. Thats literally the though process, ''this bitch is asking for it becasue shes a slut'' either because of drugs, mental disorders, mental deficiency or simple lack of upbringing and education (not in an 'attending 'men bad' struggle sess…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:37 AM
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Stupid decision was made. Consequences were suffered. This will not change no matter who you blame. The man stupid decision was to be a rapist. The woman's stupid decision was to look hot. It's simply a matter of cause and effect. This is simply what u do not understand. The Clothing is not causing the man to be a rapist, others wise you would have to argue men have zero self control and are all rapists. The rapist has already made the decision to victimise a person independently from the action…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:29 AM
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Do you think that women lack agency and accountability? moral agency is attributed to the person who commits the crime Accountability for what, looking hot in a dress, that another man then decided that it made him ok to rape her? I never blamed the woman. I said I don't really give a fuck who gets blamed. Your are blaming women by saying they need to be accountable. Why would they need to be accountable if they have no blame?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:09 AM
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accountability for what? that fact that they were a victim or rape? They take ''accountability'' due to the fact that they have to suffer from a horrible crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:05 AM
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In county A women shouldn't dress like sluts because it increase the likely hood that they will get raped (by men who think they are ''asking for it'') In county B women shouldn't dress like sluts (not wear burkas) because it increase the likely hood that they will get raped (by men who think they are ''asking for it'') My point is that in our society whats considered provocative is just relative. How can 'responability' not be attributed the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:03 AM
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You guys are also really proving my point
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:55 AM
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both contribute to the same thing, which is r culture
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:54 AM
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You can go out dressed like a call girl, get wasted at clubs, and do whatever other degenerate acts you want. After you get assaulted, feel free to cry about how men are evil and rape and etc etc etc. Do you think men are unable to control themselves in raping a woman? You can blame the man, the woman, society, or all of the above, but one fact remains unchanged. Why would you blame the woman? Its the man who made the decision to rape. Stupid actions lead to unfortunate consequences, and nobody …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:52 AM
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Both are relevant because it shows our standards of risk and purity are relative. What's the difference between a woman being a slut for not wearing a burka vs wearing skimpy clothes? In both situations the perceived purity of the woman is the argument for her being irresponsible; and the men attacking her base their decisions on who they think is ''asking for it''.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:47 AM
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In a place where burkas are mandatory, not wearing a burka would increase the likelihood of harassment or rape. If a woman chooses to not wear a burka, and almost gets raped should she just stut the fuck up and wear a burka because its crucial for her own safety?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:36 AM
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Imagine a terrorist group said tomorrow we are going to kill any body holding a bible, or a Qur'an, or let say even anyone with a red T shirt; and also that the threat was credible. Sure, if you went outside with a red t-shirt you would be increasing the likelihood you get killed, you would be taking less reasonability for your own personal safety; but how would doing so somehow make YOU at 'fault' or 'responsible' for the actions another group decided to carry out on you. The terrorist group is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:29 AM
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To tell me there's a rape culture is to tell me men shouldn't be accountable for their own auctions because they got influenced by external factors. So which one is it going to be? peoples actions being effected by external factors does not mean we can't hold individuals accountable for thing they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:27 AM
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Not wearing a seat belt didn't cause the drunk driver to crash into the other person car. Not wearing a seat belt increases the risk of injury regardless of what or how something hits the car . Wearing skimpy clothes doesn't increase the risk of injury, the argument that it increase the risk of predation. The decision to prey on a woman who's wearing those clothes is entirely made in the mind of the preparator. Did the Jews during nazi Germany hold more ''responablitiy/ accountability/ or fault'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:25 AM
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Does that make the victim any more responsible? Does that make the perpetrator any less responsible? Did the actions of the victim cause the perpetrator to make the decision to rob them? The Jewels make the victim a target because the perpetrator has already chosen to rob. The robber isn’t being caused by the victim to rob them, they are simply selecting a victim. What if the jewels were their own body?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:06 AM
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Yes that is a very right rate of abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:01 AM
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How is that not evidence of rape culture in and of itself? Why is it that you default to moderating the actions of the women rather than the literal rapists?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:59 AM
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Wearing Jewerly may ‘lead’ you to getting robbed. But it does not ‘lead’ someone else into making the decision to rob you. The robber has already decided independently of your actions to decide to rob someone one. A moral person does not rob when they see jewels. A robber isn’t lead into robberies by the presence of Jewels, they have already made the decision to do that independently.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:52 AM
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Yes it does read the first page of the paper. 12% of women experience sexual abuse at the hands of a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:32 AM
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So hook up culture is real despite few participating?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:14 AM
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Yes but you used the term “lead” which implies the woman somehow induced or caused someone else to make the decision to rape her. This type of thinking is what we are taking about in regards to rape culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:09 AM
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How does that then ‘lead’ another individual into making the decision to commit a rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:07 AM
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Do you think we have a hookup culture in the west?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:04 AM
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Convictions of rape or police reports are not the same as the amount of women who actually get raped. The police are notoriously bad at handling rape cases in Spain which leads to low reporting rates to police. That real rate of is roughly 1 in 10 for SA in Spain. https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/333033/Eurohealth-18-2-13-15-eng.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:03 AM
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Do you believe that drinking or drugs by women ‘invites’ rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 03:58 AM
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This primarily tells me that women are bad at fighting. Read your own fucking sources. It clearly states in cases of non-reciprocal IPV
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 03:34 AM
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The patriarchal US put women at such a point to where invasion of foreign tribes or nations that existed throughout all of human history is not likely in their lifetime and it's just wild to me how the answer to a draft is "The evil patriarchy did this", it just screams so much lack of self awareness or of the reality for so many others. I fail to see how the patriarchy is the causative factor here. Just about every single society on earth has been or is a patriarchy. So how is it the patriarchy…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 04:30 AM
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Like what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:32 AM
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Why are u actually like the draft is an integral part of the defence of western society. most western countries don’t have the conscription. The draft (in the us) has been nothing but a number for the past 55 years. Men are not actually actively conscripted. The United States has the most powerful military in the world none of which are conscripts. The US could halve its defence budget and till maintain 0 threat of invasion. China and Russia combined don’t have the power projection or logistical…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:30 AM
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You can’t support the idea of a draft and use it to dismiss women’s issues simultaneously because u r butthurt over a lack of equality u support It’s just a childish tit for tat mentality
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:25 AM
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There are 0 conscripts in the US army rn buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:22 AM
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Yeah most counties don’t conscript women because of the perception of men and their roles in society. Israel proves it can be done. (Edit Sweden also have universal conscription) My point about ability isn’t a solution, but what would happen of it was based on purely genderless ideas. I mean the idea that men go off and fight in war to die is literally a gender role and norm. That were the idea of “male disposability” comes from. I’m not arguing that there’s zero physical basis to men and their …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 10:31 PM
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I never said it never happens. In principle feminist generally believe in the deconstruction and abolition of gender roles mostly
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 10:12 PM
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Yet there are countries that manage to draft/ have national service for both men and women, like Israel for example. Also your conception of the military is outdated. Not all positions are front line troops. A lot are actually behind the scenes logistics based etc - if conscription was purely based on ability than fit women would also be conscripted; theirs an overlap in ability at the ends of the bell curve. - also being a good soldier is more based on marching endurance etc not raw strength. -…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 10:11 PM
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Then why are only men drafted then.. under your perception of geo politics a pure rational dance would have a draft for both. The draft in Korea is tied to masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 09:13 PM
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I answered this else where. I honestly sick of this invented narrative that you guys are oppressed with. Feminist in Korea don’t really taken much of a stance on the draft (but in principle reject gender roles) because political movements don’t have to focus on every political issue at once. “Idiot feminists support the draft they are hypocrites” “dumb idiots don’t support the draft they don’t live in reality” these two positions are simultaneously held as an ideological through terminating clic…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 09:10 PM
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Even if the draft was 100% needed and purely based on pragmatic reasons; does that mean no change or progress in society can be made to women's lives in regards to dv, sa or gender roles? women should ''stfu'' just too 'even' the score between the suffering of men and women? Progress in gender equality isn't a zero sum game. Improving the lives of women doesn't need to be held back because in another area men lives are. I honestly sick of this invented narrative that you guys are oppressed with.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 09:08 PM
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No, having a psychopathic neighbor who is constantly threatening to level your country with nukes and artillery fire is responsible for the draft. Feminists should stfu when their very existence could be wiped out due to the North Koreans. This is just so dumb i don't know were to start. Even if the draft was 100% need and purely based on pragmatic reasons; does that mean no change or progress in society can be made to women's lives in regards to dv, sa or gender roles? women should ''stfu'' jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 12:27 PM
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The point RPers are making is that sometimes feminists actually support these ideals and roles, despite claiming to want to dismantle them. rarely is this actually the case with any feminists over the past 60 years. feminists 115 years ago supported the draft and that somehow shows feminists now are hypocrites on the draft in our current time?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 12:15 PM
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According to whom? Your own made up perception of what feminists believe so you can have some invented hypocrisy? If you guys really cared about the draft you would focus your anger at the conservative government (and the anti feminist men who support them) as they are the ones that actually impose conscripion. Not a women’s moment which focuses on volience against women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 09:25 AM
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You don’t have to focus on every political issue at once. Feminists focus on the issues of their supporters. Men vote for parties which are conservative in regard to the draft. If they cared they can change it. Why r u guys so obsessed with the feminists when your issue should be directed at the conservative government and the men(anti-feminists) who support them in Korea, who actually impose conscription. Not the group who focus on their own women’s issues. Pure ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 09:22 AM
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Feminism in Korea is largely a response to the high rates of DV, SA and gender roles. if you think that obnoxious or whatever that's just your own opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 03:35 AM
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Now apply the same thing to the women who choose to become feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:56 AM
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I think the hypocrisy comes from the idea that feminism can pick and choose when we’re equal, or when we’re not. What do you mean by ''pick and choose''. Feminists did not ''choose'' the draft. they have little institutional power in government. In principle, the draft is opposed. But feminism in korea is largely focused on women's issues. Political movements don't have to focus on every single issue at once. This is because ''women issues'' are really what ''men do to women''. Most men in korea…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:55 AM
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Just because a reaction has a cause, does not justify the reaction. The blame is still wrong and inherently misguided. It literally just reactionary politics
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:39 AM
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Truly uneducated and trash take. Korea’s birth rate has been steadily falling for decades, which is the natural consequence of its evolution from an authoritarian industrialising economy to a post-industrial consumer society; when men and women are no longer forced to adhere to strict gender roles, and women are no longer condemned to a life as a baby factory/homemaker, they are free to choose other options. Let me guess the 'misandry' men are pushing back against is mean words? 4B came about bc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:31 AM
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''The feminism opposes the draft line seems to just be a point they use to close their logical hole, rather than a well thought out stance'' The Bottom line is feminists did not cause the draft or support it. Conservative ideals and traditional gender roles are responsible for the draft. Redpillers just can't stop brining up the draft as a gottua question when their is none. You guys just can't accept the perceived hypocrisy is all in your heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:14 AM
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All you red pillers are trying to imply hypocrisy where their is none. Feminists did not support or impose the draft. Conservative ideals and traditional gender roles are responsible for the draft.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 01:46 AM
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And yet the feminists did not cause the draft or support it. Conservative ideals and traditional gender roles are responsible for the draft. The misdirection to blame feminist is literally textbook misdirection and ''ideology'' as zizek would but it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 01:45 AM
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This is such a dumb take. ''how feminism is even a fucking thing in a country where young men are forcibly conscripted against their will for years while women get a free pass.'' You mean ''how can feminism exist in a country where gender roles are still significantly prevalent ?'' Feminists are not responsible for the draft. Conservative ideal and traditional gender roles are responsible for the draft. That and their culture of overwork. How much responsibility can you put on men before they ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 01:40 AM
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While you have noted that (in your personal life) women hook-up with men that are more attractive than ones whom they date/marry, you have failed to prove that these women consider their husbands losers in any way. The evidence shows that people mate/marry similar in looks and education. People who do this on average have better relationships. Both recent and past studies has consistently shown the tendency for mates to be similar in overall desirability. Refer to Conroy-Beam and colleagues (201…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 12:27 AM
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You guys are always a good laugh
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 01:02 AM
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Partner age is mediated by women’s mate selection. Meaning the age of a man in a relationship is determined by what age a woman wants in a man. This is because almost all men prefer young women, and women prefer men who are a few years older than them. So that age of the man that gets the young woman is the age if what the woman desires. This is why all age gaps in marriages mirror women’s preferences and not men. If men want the youngest they can, then the youngest they get is the youngest woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:59 AM
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It is difficult to interpret from that study who (and what age) is actually attracted to who. Desirability rankings barely changed with age for men. At best it suggests that 50 y/o men are slightly more desirable to the overall cohort of women aged 18- 65 compared other men. The fact that 20 y/o men were younger than 90% of the female cohort and still practically had the same desirability as all the other men proved that the quote you cite is likely what's holding up these young men's score; but…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:45 AM
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That study simply records marriage data. It’s been well established for decades that ages gaps in marriages have been shrinking, as women become more financially independent and don’t have to rely on men. Even in the 80s women still said that they preferred men their own age, they just marred for security and cultural norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:13 AM
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Firstly the data that i cite, while published recently, spans decades. Secondly, I’ve encountered this study before. This study did not specify who was attracting who, or who was messaging who. It simply did not show that young women were most attracted to old men. Who “peaked” was measured by something called page rank. The actual math behind this ranking is complex but basically, the more messages you were sent the higher your rank, men received so few messages first that they also had to fact…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:10 AM
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Then why don’t women prefer older men then? Those things simply do not make up for aging or aren’t as relevant as you think they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 11:49 PM
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Then why are you on a sub discussing dating in the population? because when someone says something you agree with you like it, but when you don't the defence mechanisms come up ''Idc about other people blah blah blah''
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 04:13 AM
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I'm not denying you had success over 30. That's not my argument and you seem to be missing the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 04:07 AM
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If young women care so much about finances etc (which supposedly makes older men more attractive) then why don't they prefer older men? (hint: its because they don't care about those things)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 04:06 AM
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Just because you guys improved into your 30s does not mean men peak in their 30s. You are missing the point. The men who truly peak and do better than anyone else peak in their 20s. Your ceiling is far lower and any success enjoyed it far lower than an appealing guy in his 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:59 AM
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My argument isn't that athlete peaking age is the same as peak attractiveness age. My argument is that the age the theoretical peak is at, is what matters, not the age any random person peaks. A guy that was fat in his 20s will peak in his 30s if he loses the weight. Same as if some fat guy starts playing football in his 50s. they will both improve. But the age a person can truly peaks is based on when the best peaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:53 AM
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''Studies are mostly bullshit. Citing Okcupid studies is about as dumb as it gets.'' Ah yes, just deny deny deny and it won't be true. Really hits a nerve this reality doesn't it. ''I got the most sex after 30 by far. Before 30 I had to put much more effort in with women. After 30 it became much easierYour ceiling is far lower and any success enjoyed it far lower than an appealing guy in his 20s.'' ''But I got more young girls now then when I was young'' Yes, if you were unattractive in your 20s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:46 AM
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This just circles back to my point... If women cared so much about those things, why do they prefer men their own are?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:41 AM
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And yet women don't actually prefer men who are that age... hmmm. Almost as if young women don't care about how much you earn
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:39 AM
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In most marriages men and women work. Yes, men earn more overall. But women also do more unpaid labor running the household and allowing the man to have a family while he works
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:36 AM
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resources are an overexaggerated factor in attracting women. If they were such a big factor then wouldn't women be marrying much older men, or preferring much older men? Countries where women can be less reliant on men to life then to like men their own are more (ie most of the west compared to other countires)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:17 AM
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Not really a large proportion of the population is it tho
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:08 AM
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Sugar babying is basically prostitution so not really relevant to the discussion. Most older men are also married young in a different generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 02:58 AM
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If you can’t follow a basic train of logic then I can’t help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 02:53 AM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 02:44 AM
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In sports when the goals are different the peaking age is different. In dating the “goal” never changes for men, what attracts young women stays the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 02:43 AM
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When do we say athletes peak? When the best of the best peak, not when the average joe gets into a sport and improves from his baseline level
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 02:40 AM
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I debated this topic numerous times on this sub and its such an ideological blind spot for the red pill. No matter what evidence you give there always hand waving or dismissal of evidence. There's cross country marriage data, there's also really comprehensive cross cultural cross country marriage data and there's also dating app data. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1ba6std/women_prefer_men_who_are_slightly_older_then/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:37 AM
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There's cross country marriage data, there's also really comprehensive cross cultural cross country marriage data and there's also dating app data. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1ba6std/women_prefer_men_who_are_slightly_older_then/ I debated this topic numerous times on this sub and its such an ideological blind spot for the red pill. No matter what evidence you give there always hand waving or dismissal of evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:36 AM
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There's cross country marriage data, there's also really comprehensive cross cultural cross country marriage data and there's also dating app data. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1ba6std/women_prefer_men_who_are_slightly_older_then/ I debated this topic numerous times on this sub and its such an ideological blind spot for the red pill. No matter what evidence you give there always hand waving or dismissal of evidence. imagine the survey, marriage data and app data confirmed yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:35 AM
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Yeah I agree pretty much. There are even more problems I could point out. For example, the idea that you can only consent once you hit the 'peak'. If you can jump over a hurdle leaping 2 feet or 10 feet, you still cleared it. Also our brains decline as we age and that is never taken into account. For example it could be argued that a 20y/o actually has greater capacity compared to a 50 or 60 y/o.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 10:12 AM
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Read from ''Female Age Preferences and Age-Related Mating Behavior'' page 142 too 145. ''Buss (1989)’s cross-cultural survey, women’s ideal long-term mate was on average 3.42 years older." However if you continue reading the other evidence they discuss from page 142 onward there is other findings that show a preference for 4 ish years. But your are kinda right a more accurate description would be 3-4 years roughly not 4 years as I previously stated. Also see: Antfolk, J., Salo, B., Alanko, K., B…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:49 AM
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Yeah stats exist on a curve. What is your point? I always maintained the position that women prefer men on average 4 years older.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:29 AM
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''Older men aren't just attractive for being older. '' Except they simply aren't. As I discuss in my original original post, Women prefer men who are on average 4 years older than them. ''The observation is that the things that women are attracted to take time to build up'' Except these other traits women desire don't exceed the desire for a woman to have a mate close in age to her. For example men aged 40-50 have much more wealth then younger men; despite this the average age for marriage is 27…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:27 AM
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I'm critiquing the underlining assumptions in your own SMV calculations, not my own. I believe humans are assortative in their mating so I'm fundamentally not BlackP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:36 AM
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Look at the graph ''where women are sending their messages'' the highest concentration of green is there own age too around 4 years older for women between 18-24
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:32 AM
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Except age largely underpins attractiveness. Sure a man can maintain his attractiveness into his 30s (if he's getting more attractive in his 30s then he was really well below baseline in his 20s ie obesity), but at that point its really an uphill battle that's hard to win; most men get fatter, balder, shorter (relative to the younger generation), lower test, wrinkles, less facial definition, lower skin quality, lower sex drive etc HENCE women's age preferences for only slightly older men
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:24 AM
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Ok cupid data supports my views on age. okCupid data where the maximum age range young women generally have which is 5-8 years older than them, with the greatest preference for 0-4 years older than them. The more than the majorly of people get married so its still relevant. I'm not really impressed with the red pill constant dismissal of evidence it does not like (and for pretty flimsy reasons as well)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:16 AM
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If there is an ideal preference for height, income, status could there also not be an ideal age? ''Doesn't matter how old or young, short or tall you are.'': Except these things do in fact matter, and are confounding with other variables such as money and status
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:41 AM
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Most height studies, income preference studies etc (even OLD studies which red piller love are basically just surveys): are you going to dismiss these as well? Furthermore, they cross reference these survey studies with numerous forms of other evidence which is consistent with these survey findings (p 3 on the pdf), look at marriage data for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:38 AM
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Hypergamy is dichotomous to assortative mating. If you believe assortative mating is most prevalent then are you not red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:34 AM
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I get your point here, the dogatism over height doomerism seems to be slightly more BP than red pill, however I still think the prevalence and pushback from red pill men over the fact that men aren't really most attractive at 35 (or even in some cases denial), compared to the cold rational attitude they have over height is really telling. Most red pillers will accept that heigh really matters but they move on in self improvement. On the other hand red pillers really stick to this idea that older…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:31 AM
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Like people mate with like people, that's what assortative mating is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:26 AM
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Its a pretty comprehensive over view of the evidence. Take a look here https://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2019/03/Why-is-age-so-important-in-mating-2019-FINAL-PUBLISHED.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:25 AM
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So you agree most relationships are assortative then?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:20 AM
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Multiple studies, a systemic review of the existing lit, marrage data and old data isn't good evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:18 AM
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Then how come most women are in marriages and relationships that are similar in age then?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:16 AM
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'' Women are quite self-aware of the influence of alcohol and good music that could make them do something they don't really want to do. '' This is a bizzare framing of choice and responsibility. If you choose to get drunk, then choose to hook up with a guy then that is your choice. There is no such thing as voluntarily choosing to do something you didn't really want to do; in that situation the want simply outweighed the feeling of not wanting to do something. Yes, previously they may not have …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:49 PM
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Do you understand selection bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:02 PM
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Rates of extra pair paternity are less than 1.5% of the general population. For extra-pair paternity: - Wolf, M., Musch, J., Enczmann, J., & Fischer, J. (2012). Estimating the prevalence of nonpaternity in Germany. Human Nature, 23, 208-217. - Anderson, K. (2006). How well does paternity confidence match actual paternity? Evidence from worldwide nonpaternity rates. Current anthropology, 47(3), 513-520. - Bellis, M. A., Hughes, K., Hughes, S., & Ashton, J. R. (2005). Measuring paternal discrepanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 01:40 AM
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If 20% of the people charged with murder by the police end up being guilty does that mean 20% of the population is guilty of murder? Have a little think
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 01:40 AM
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more end running around common sense... 30% of marriages - some sources say 40% - have a wife earning more money than the husband. And marriages with a female breadwinner are 50% more likely to end in divorce Despite these statistics, 97% of alimony payers are men, only 3% are women. This is a perfect example of misunderstanding statistics and removing context. Alimony isn't given when one party earns more than the other. Alimony is only awarded in a minority of divorce cases, generally were one…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 01:35 AM
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You grew 4 inches in 2 years after 18? thats kinda hard to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 09:19 AM
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You're defining ''blue pill'' as status qou. Im defining BP as what RPers consider the ''blue pill'' to be. If the ''blue pill'' status qou incorporated a large amount of ''red pill'' traits and attitudes. then bp or rp termonology is largely redundant in describing the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:41 AM
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I'm not woman. And I'm not a Feminist in the way you think they are. "What Blue Pill? We've always been Red Pilled." Or "It's your fault for believing in the Blue Pill." Feminists have never been 'red pilled'. But (actual) feminists (not reddit blue pillers) have always said society is 'red pilled' in the meaning that society has always been strongly patriarchal; that men and masculine virtue have always been valued and rewarded in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 06:21 AM
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Think about how guys that focus on fitness uses to be framed. As “dumb meat heads that are overly vain”, right? Do you remember when it was considered gay to “looksmaxx” or try to improve your appearance? That wasn’t even that long ago that men that groomed themselves were called “metrosexual” of whatever. 😂. And look at everyone now. Scrambling to try and catch up to the “metrosexuals” and male models. Don’t act as if society had always had this shit figured out. The hating on metrosexuals was …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 06:08 AM
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Yeah but its not just cultivated from personal experience. stoic masculinity has been presented as the ideal for men to attract women in popular culture for the past 80 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 11:39 PM
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No the status quo is that men should be nice, treat women respect, other nice qualities before all that. Yeah if you stopped gathering information in your brain cells after 13 this is true. Sure you were told that by your mum or some little movie, but no one else purely operates on that sentiment after 15. Go to any single high school and the majority of boys for the last 60 years have been obsessed with big and strong etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 11:35 PM
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'' It's so unknown about what men actually have to do,'' what exactly is so unknown about the red pill way of attracting women? men have always been trying to be big/strong/ masculine/ confident/ have a good career.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 11:24 PM
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The autistic thing isn't meant to be a jab. A lot of red pill men have seriously taken blue pill sentiment (what their mum or movies have told them) at entirely face value and needed an internet ideology to laying everything out in literal terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 11:20 PM
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At the very least don't whine or complain about being called a misogynist, or have a victim complex over people opposing your views.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 10:09 PM
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This is the type of argument a immature 16 year old would make to ''own'' his sister or something and but honestly not surprised that it exists in this sub. Firstly, say that this is true... So What? Do you think women should have less rights? DO you think it is morally ok to subjugate women then? If no... What is the point of this post then?.. too Circle jerk about how strong and tough men are? Secondly even if men did suddenly enslave women, or are simply preventing themselves from enslaving w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:48 AM
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All this same horse shit has been peddled in the past with the same exact words you’re using. what are you even on about? what does that have to do with the validity of what op said? Not even half plus seven anymore. Just “5-7 years” Please get some reading comprehension skills. OP is not saying that that 7-5 year age gap is morally wrong. OP is saying that couples with age gaps above 7-5 years rarely happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:40 AM
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The point of OPs post wasn't to say that age gaps are bad, it was to say that young women women aren't generally attracted to older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:37 AM
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Firstly there are only 3M content creators on OF. Subscribers are not the same as creators. So your entire point is flawed. There's 10M women 18-24 on OF, 45% of which are in the US, so 4.5M women in the US aged 18-24 are on OF. There's approximately 15.644M women 18-24, so 4.5M/15.644M = over 28%. Not all are content creators though, yet. This is just wrong. Looking at your owns sources (assuming they are accurate) there are 10M female subscribers total in the world. 45% of those are in the uni…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:57 AM
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I've been on a bit of a FnF binge during the holidays. Also been watching "the desirable truth" where some Ghanaian guy interviews random women in Miami. These women aren't "handpicked", they're genuinely on the same wavelength as a lot of young women now. The only thing women are handpicked for is their looks...which only shows that men would be better served if they judged women off of criteria which took into account more than their physical appeal. They are being ''hand picked'' thought. 1. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:43 AM
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The only women who go on that show have something to gain from being exposed to a greater male/red pill audience. Normal women don't go on that show. Only OF or porn stars who demonstrably grow their audience or fans by appearing on these pods are willing sit their and be humiliated by a bunch of dorks (or debate bro women).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:35 AM
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28% of American women aged 18-24 have an OF. Your literally making up stats. There are only 3,18 M Only Fans creators world wide.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:27 AM
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3% of total population is still 3% of the male population. if there are 100 people and 3 with autism, 1.5 of those are men and 1.5 of those are women and there are 50 men and 50 women. then there will be 1.5 men with autism out of 50 men which is 3%
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 03:09 AM
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But they don't have high cognitive ability. Cognitive capacity (the ability of an individual to reason and consider alternative courses of action) generally reaches adult levels during the mid-teen years - a little before the age of 18 (so by the time 18 reaches the vast majority have reached that level). Psychosocial maturity tends too peak a little later at early twenties. But does having high sensation seeking, lesser self-regulation and lower risk perception mean a lowered ability to consent…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 11:48 PM
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My argument isn't that 18 is fine cuz its legal and that's it. My argument is that 18 is both the age where the vast majority of people have high cognitive ability combined with the arborary awarding of rights of the majority which provides the intersection where we say people are able to consent. But, Yep, I get this point. A lot of men probably are attracted to 17 y/o because they are for the most part physically identical to 18 18 y/o's (finished puberty/ secondary sex characteristics), becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 11:25 PM
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I would agree. My arguments are more towards age gaps not being inherently unethical rather than that they should be normalised
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 10:39 PM
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I never argued that age gaps relationships are somehow something young women secretly want and should try. That's not my point. My point is when a young woman wants to be in an age gap relationship, they both can be good and bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:55 AM
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Thanks for sharing. May I ask where you live and how you guys met? where i'm from an age gap that big is incredibly rare, like i don't know anyone that young who dates that old.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:18 AM
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This question can be answered with a little critical thinking. Firstly, women like men, both want the benefits of looking attractive. Except when men are attractive, they get the benefits of being attractive without the harassment or the fear. Women also want the benefits of looking attractive without the harassment or the fear; those two asks aren't necessarily a contradiction at all. The fact that women can wear something in one place and get harassed, and wear an identical thing in another pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 12:36 AM
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Ratings are always relative to other people. if amy becomes lower compared to gal then you don't understand the concept of averages
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 12:34 AM
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I think a lot of red pill guys feel the need to push back against this rhetoric they believe that these types of guys who approach women are ''cold approaching''- and that the dudes who do cold approaches are generally shy/timid guys who often place too much emphasis on the feelings of the women and are thus harmless and have nothing to worry about. But the types of guys who approach and harass women generally are just low inhibition, arrogant and entitled who come to this type of behaviour on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 12:00 AM
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Olds guys are kind of a bad comparison but if were just looking at the young guys, 1 and 2 are more attractive than 6. guy 2 and 6 are also clearly similar or less attractive than the girls you have labelled 5-6s despite labelling the guys 6+.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 11:10 PM
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sure shes not hot by Hollywood standards but look up young amy. If she was in your high school/ uni she certainty would have been called the cute/hot whos gotten a little chubby
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 11:07 PM
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my point still stands. young Amy schumer was much hotter than young Michael Cera
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 01:14 PM
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How the fuck is Michael Cera a 4-5, but Amy schumer a 2? Just because you don't like her personality doesn't make her more ugly than she actually is. Think about this objectively. Can you really say they person on the right is significantly more attractive than the person on the left? https://www.usmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Oops-Amy-Schumer-Reveals-Michael-Cera-Secretly-Welcomed-1st-Child-001.jpg?quality=86&strip=all
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 10:35 AM
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What do you think the average guy/guys look like? Link a similar picture to the one you picked for the girls
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 09:10 AM
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Well on these dating apps most 38-50 y/o men are seeking women at least 35 or younger (most much younger than that, while 38-50 y/o old women are seeking men a little older. Combine that with the fact that the gender ratio tends to skew more women once people hit 40, it makes sense that more women are seeking men that age than men are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:54 AM
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Christ, Half of those women are literal conventional looking models. If you think any of these girls are below a 5 you are delusional. If you think the 1,3, 4 girls are just 6's you are insane. Even the chubbier has above average facial features. All the left four girls are slim, none have any facial feature that deviate from being conventionally attractive, clear skin and perfect hair. The far right girl only has one or two facial features that deviate from conventional beauty standards, puting…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:30 AM
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A research article IS a study. The appendix data is available here https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aap9815 if you want to read that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:19 AM
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I seriously though this sub had better reading comprehension. I'm not making a red pill argument, I'm arguing against it. ''A lot of men do say stuff like, I’m getting more attention, therefore, I must be getting more attractive, without any regard for where that attention is coming from.'' This is the entire point of my post, that these men aren't getting attention from the women they claim they want; but in fact the data they cite suggest the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:14 AM
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Think about it in terms of age groups. 48 y/o men are going to be much more sough after by 40-50 y/o women than vice vera.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:10 AM
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Refer to the ok cupid and marriage data I highlight. It clearly shows younger women prefer men their own age or a little older.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:07 AM
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yes. do you guys even read the post? I'm specifically referring to the ''desirability score'' as outlined in the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:05 AM
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No, it is as peer reviewed study. All studies which have data pick and choose models to map or interpret data. Page rank is the method they chose to do it. It entirely valid to highlight the limitations or strengths of such a method, but that doesn't make it not a study.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:03 AM
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read the post before commenting
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 05:47 AM
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I'm not saying that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 05:40 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/98c0py/for_online_daters_women_peak_at_18_while_men_peak/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/97sie5/new_york_times_women_peak_at_18_while_men_peak_at/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 05:06 AM
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yeah, they misinterpret the study im talking about https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/167hcc2/comment/jyqmthl/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/science-of-the-silver-fox-how-men-are-most-attractive-at-50-wgqhwxtp3#:~:text=A%20study%20has%20shown%20that,from%20the%20age%20of%2018 https://www.askmen.com/news/dating/study-women-find-men-most-attractive-at-50-men-like-women-at-18.html
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 04:58 AM
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yeah, they misinterpret the study im talking about https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/167hcc2/comment/jyqmthl/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/science-of-the-silver-fox-how-men-are-most-attractive-at-50-wgqhwxtp3#:~:text=A%20study%20has%20shown%20that,from%20the%20age%20of%2018. https://www.askmen.com/news/dating/study-women-find-men-most-attractive-at-50-men-like-women-at-18.html
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 04:56 AM
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not really. Red pillers have argued that men hit peak attractiveness (highest SMV) to (young) women at 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 04:38 AM
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Most of the evidence doesn't say that https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/15ajd3g/the_chad_cck_carousel_is_a_myth/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 04:24 AM
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exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 04:21 AM
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That's the entire point of my post. men are not the most attractive at 50, but their desirability score (as per the study) peaks at 50, because they become more in demand to older women at that age because of gender ratios.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 04:02 AM
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In desirability score in OLD technically men are
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 03:27 AM
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So these ''very short men'' your wife fucked where only one inch below average? So not really short at all and your wife was dissatisfied with their height?
/r/AllPillDebate06/08/23 11:00 AM
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How tall were these men?
/r/AllPillDebate06/08/23 06:16 AM
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your 6'8. That isn't a 'bit' above 'average'. That's extraordinarily tall. Above average even among NFL and NBA players. The fact that you downplay this means you aren't willing to operate with good faith. women aren't just going to say ''I want a tall guy with a jawline and a big dick'' straight up. Women are going to list traits they want a guy who they already find attractive to have
/r/AllPillDebate06/08/23 05:02 AM
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Authority over dating and family formation. How exactly...dating? You mean she has an easier time picking from men because they are horny? That isn't exactly ''Authority'' over dating. Also your ignoring that this also means women experience significantly greater amounts of sexual violence and dv. The things women need to form a family are given to them for free, while the things men need are increasingly harder to obtain. Like what? welfare? a single dad would get the same if he needed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 06:50 AM
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but that acts as if women are incapable of independent thought and analysis. People can be both rational agents but also exist in the context of a societies socialisation and discourse. The same thing applies to men. don't forget that women control the majority of economic and political power This is just not true. Men have most of the wealth and hold most of the positions of political power. ''But but.. consumption... thats all women''
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 06:40 AM
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corporation tens to hundreds of millions of dollars just to reach the same amount of people as Ariana Grande can with one insta post (she has 376 MILLION followers). Corporations aren’t the only form of influence and we actually have a lovely new thing called influencers now. Guess who dominates that industry? These people have influence but not political influence. Ariana Grande's audience is based on her music. If she just talked about politics she would have no audience, and she has no politi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 06:34 AM
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Sorry i meant Colon/rectum cancer not prostate. Also, again the exception is not the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:21 AM
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Or counter-arguments?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:53 AM
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And yet women live an average of 6 years longer than men A multivariate analysis asks why that is the case. Just because women life longer doesn't men society isn't build for men. Is the male life span shorter because of the design and default of society, or is it because of other factors? Perez would argue that if society was built for women their lifespan would be even longer and men's even shorter. The reason why men die earlier isn't because the world isn't designed to men, but because of ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:50 AM
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In a patriarchy or "rule by father", you would expect for these selectorates to consist exclusively of men. Under a boarder application of selectorate theory the 'winning electorates' aren't necessarily just exclusively voters. For example in the united states you need corporate interests (and even before that you need to appeal to the members of the party you are running in) to back your campaign to even begin to influence voters about an election. So on a purely voter count level men and women…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:36 AM
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And who has the majority of the voting power? ? If women vote to politically empower men, is it still "patriarchy?" Most politicians are male. Same as above. Moreover, are there some sort of laws preventing women from running for office? Firstly being a politician isn't based on meritocracy. To win elections you need to rise through the ranks of the prominent major parties (with are predominantly still men) and be backed by corporate interests which are headed by men. This makes the barrier for …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:07 AM
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That's exactly what intersectional feminism is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 03:40 AM
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We live in a capitalist patriarchy with some gynocentric aspects. What some guys don't understand that just because a capitalist patriarchy can be harmful to men doesn't mean it isn't a patriarchy. A society can favour one group but also be a detriment toward it. For example Aryan men would have been significantly safer in the Weimar republic instead of dead on the eastern front in Nazi Germany. A lot of the evidence opponents will argue that men have it harder in are also misleading. For exampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 03:37 AM
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High value men that they want to date aren’t doing it This is absolute cap. In fact, rich/educated White/Jewish men are the main people contributing to the WM/AW phenomenon in the U.S. Your original point was that men who passport bro were high value. I argued that they were not. I never said those men weren't getting a good deal or whatever. You are moving the goal posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:28 AM
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Yeah- that the majorly of those young yuppie tech guys aren't passport bro-ing. If they are then they are either generally autistic or physicaly unattractive hence not really high value. Thats why they passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:07 AM
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And the vast majority of those men are not passport bro-ing. If they are not old then they are autistic or unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:59 AM
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But those men are generally old and unattractive. High value doesn't mean just rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:43 AM
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blade runner 2049, whatever (1999) (French), Lars and the Real Girl, Her(2013), Buffalo '66 (1998), taxi driver, No Longer Human Novel by Osamu Dazai- not exactly a sympathetic character tho
/r/AllPillDebate03/08/23 06:08 AM
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In this hypothetical scenario 3-4 different men a year from age 18-30 = a body count of 36-48 men. That is substantially higher than the 7 figure women “report” But you are literally just making this up though. Its based on nothing just your opinions. That's the problem.
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 02:02 PM
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I already showed you how fucking a new Chad a month make the average women fuck over a hundred men by the time she is 30. She can stop there and still be a slut forever. if you ignore how the data makes this impossible Anyway, keep doing your crazy math and think what you wish, reality doesn't happen like that The facts don't support your reality. Take a look at the actual distribution.
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 01:55 PM
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You are conflating two points here; the supposed increase in sex from a greater total of chads (which i talk about in the previous comment) and a greater population of chads allowing for a hyper elite minority- that brings us back full circle to the original point. As the level of selectivity increases , women's body count would have to decrease in theoretical limit.
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 01:45 PM
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Hence my point. Women's greater sexual selection (to these hyper sexual chads) would mean a lower body count.
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 08:13 AM
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Lmao my example literally has every single woman fucking every single chad and vice vera. read my example again
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 08:04 AM
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But as i elaborate the 80th percentile man has the average bc of 10-15 and the 95th percentile man an average bc of 30-40. Multiple times lower than is required for 80/20 to be true
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 08:00 AM
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Totals go up but but the percentages stay the same. The ratio of chad/ woman stays the same. For example if we have an island of 10,000 men and 10,000 women, and only 1% of men had sex with all the women (so 100 chads). If each chad had sex with a different woman for 1000 days straight, The body count for each women would still only be 10. Because it takes 100 chads 100 days to get through 10,000 to give each woman a body count of 1 (if each man is only having ex with one woman a day). Because e…
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 07:45 AM
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That's at least 4 women per each top 20% man. That means if a top 20% chad fucked one new woman (of those 800) a day it would take 4 days for every woman to get a body count of one. This would take 200 days of a chad fucking a different woman every day for each women to get to a body count of 50. This would make each 20% chad have the body count of 200. This is despite the fact that 95th percentile men average around 30 A LIFETIME, and 80 percentile man 15 a LIFETIME (and keep in mind men over e…
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 07:31 AM
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If you want to argue that it’s the top 10% or top 20% of men only getting the sex than for women to have a body count of 12 in a year, the top 10% would have to be sex with 2 women every 5 days and the top 20% man one every 7 days. Giving the 10% man a yearly average of around 140. And the 20% man an average of around 50. This is despite the fact that 95th percentile men average around 30 A LIFETIME, and 80 percentile man 15 a LIFETIME (and keep in mind men over exaggerate their bc). For good me…
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 05:05 AM
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hence my point
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 05:04 AM
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No my math is fine. It explains using exaggerated numbers that as women get increasingly selective their body count would get lower and lower. If you want to argue that it’s the top 10% or top 20% of men only getting the sex than for women to have a body count of 12 in a year, the top 10% would have to be sex with 2 women every 5 days and the top 20% man one every 7 days. Giving the 10% man a yearly average of around 140. And the 20% man an average of around 50. This is despite the fact that 95t…
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 05:04 AM
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not even the highest recored bc ever hit those numbers
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 03:35 AM
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For wilt to have fucked 20,000 women (which is what he claimed) he would have had fucked 2 women a day from the time he was 15 until he wrote the book for that to be true. And also how many men do you know are like wilt?
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 03:03 AM
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If this is your argument then you have misunderstood the core point of my post. If the population of men and women is the same, and chad is a 1% man. Then if every single woman fucked 12 chads a year, then chad would have to fuck 3 new women a day for a year. That would have to make chads bodycount 10,000 over the course of ten years for each women to fuck chad 12 times a year.
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 03:00 AM
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The red pill truly brings it's finest minds to the debate
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:03 AM
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I would like to add that even within that 20% cohort, to which I belong, the spread of women is not even. It increases exponentially, the asymptote being the limit of physical capabilities of the top men. For example, while I was pretty picky about women I slept with, my close buddy's n-count is way over 100. He was bagging multiple girls every month for over a decade, and I know for a fact that he's not even the top 5% guy. Me and him were closer to the bottom of the cohort. A top 5% guy could …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 06:54 AM
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Just because a woman is attractive doesn't mean she has a high sex drive or even wants to have sex with a lot of people. This is pure projection from people who imagine what they would do if they had the same level of desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 05:06 AM
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These are such absurd excuses. I Literally don't know any women who think sex with a condom isn't sex. And do you have any actual proof or evidence this is the case on a widespread level that you effect the outcome of these results? Or is this just another ad hoc handwave to dismiss any evidence you don't like?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:57 AM
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The study you are referring to states that women admitted to having a 1.7 higher body count than the previously stated under a threat of a lie detector. Let's disassemble this statement: I Know I read the study. I used pipeline vs anonymous because OPs study is based is anonymous. First, there's is absolutely no indication that in the second scenario women were actually divulging the truth, only that their reported body count has increased by 1.7. Given habitual propensity of women to trickle tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:52 AM
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but not by much at all, not enough to prove 80/20
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:46 AM
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Actually counter my argument, and stop misrepresenting my points or don' bother. What was your argument here, that non-monogamy was something that existed in the past? I agree. But Non-monogamy doesn't necessary mean hypergamy. The link i provided discusses that. The reality is though, only a small group of men are going to hit every checkbox, and so women will prioritize survival of the offspring over gene selection in long-term relationships. This opens up a larger group of the population for …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 02:32 AM
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How often do women llie? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/10707596_Truth_and_Consequences_Using_the_Bogus_Pipeline_to_Examine_Sex_Differences_in_Self-Reported_Sexuality refer to page 32 figure 2 pipeline vs anonymous (which is the method OPs study used). Mean sexual body count for woman was 3.4 anonymous vs 4.4 for pipeline (implied lie detector). The mean for women's body count (in anonymous conditions) in OPs study is roughly 5, so the 'real' mean is probably 6.25. Hardly a slam dunk f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:57 AM
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How often do women llie? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/10707596_Truth_and_Consequences_Using_the_Bogus_Pipeline_to_Examine_Sex_Differences_in_Self-Reported_Sexuality refer to page 32 figure 2 pipeline vs anonymous (which is the method OPs study used). Mean sexual body count for woman was 3.4 anonymous vs 4.4 for pipeline (implied lie detector). The mean for women's body count (in anonymous conditions) in OPs study is roughly 5, so the 'real' mean is probably 6.25. Hardly a slam dunk f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:56 AM
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How often do women llie? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/10707596_Truth_and_Consequences_Using_the_Bogus_Pipeline_to_Examine_Sex_Differences_in_Self-Reported_Sexuality refer to page 32 figure 2 pipeline vs anonymous (which is the method OPs study used). Mean sexual body count for woman was 3.4 anonymous vs 4.4 for pipeline (implied lie detector). The mean for women's body count (in anonymous conditions) in OPs study is roughly 5, so the 'real' mean is probably 6.25. Hardly a slam dunk f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:54 AM
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How often do women llie? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/10707596_Truth_and_Consequences_Using_the_Bogus_Pipeline_to_Examine_Sex_Differences_in_Self-Reported_Sexuality refer to page 32 figure 2 pipeline vs anonymous (which is the method OPs study used). Mean sexual body count for woman was 3.4 anonymous vs 4.4 for pipeline (implied lie detector). The mean for women's body count (in anonymous conditions) in OPs study is roughly 5, so the 'real' mean is probably 6.25. Hardly a slam dunk f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:53 AM
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How often do women llie? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/10707596_Truth_and_Consequences_Using_the_Bogus_Pipeline_to_Examine_Sex_Differences_in_Self-Reported_Sexuality refer to page 32 figure 2 pipeline vs anonymous (which is the method OPs study used). Mean sexual body count for woman was 3.4 anonymous vs 4.4 for pipeline (implied lie detector). The mean for women's body count (in anonymous conditions) in OPs study is roughly 5, so the 'real' mean is probably 6.25. Hardly a slam dunk f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:50 AM
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refer to page 32 figure 2 pipeline vs anonymous (which is the method OPs study used). Mean sexual body count for woman was 3.4 anonymous vs 4.4 for pipeline (implied lie detector). The mean for women's body count in OPs study is roughly 5, so the 'real' mean is probably 6.25. Hardly a slam dunk for the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:36 AM
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Monogamy is a social construct that did not begin to appear until the agricultural revolution with the advent of civilized society and higher requirements in child-rearing Non-monogamy is not the same thing as hypergamy. The link i refer to discusses this in detail. They are the same. This is not rocket science. A man's height raises his status today. A man's confidence raises his status today. A man's appearance raises his status today. What about this is difficult for you to comprehend? This i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:05 AM
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There's no such thing as a "hypergamous society" You absolutely observe different marriage dynamics ( hypogamy/ hypergamy) during different periods/ culture during history. Female hypergamy is biologically innate There isn't a peer reviewed paper on earth that says hypergamy is ''biologically innate'' in women. You can also determine it by the historically high F/M fertility rate, and current relatively low, but rising F/M fertility ate. The actual scientific literature doesn't support this idea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:31 PM
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The red pill prob wouldn't apply since most still either have arranged marriages or traditional cultures
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 12:06 PM
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please make fun of me more
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 10:43 AM
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Firstly. yes that was a typo. What we have is becoming increasingly an equal earning workforce. Hypergamous marriages are at about 50%, Yes and there's a lot less marriages than when only men work. Wow. Who could have suspected this? Who would think women aren't that into men that don't make more than them? Firstly cohabitation rates has increased significantly as well. But furthermore, is it because men are earning less? Or is it because of changing social attitudes and dynamics and the require…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 09:05 AM
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I believe that hypergamy is something that exists in outcome. If women out earn or are equal to men in income in almost all of all marriages, then female hypergamy is minor; because that is the result in the outcome. You believe that hypergamy is based in desire not outcome and that the reason why the outcome does not show hypergamy is because of an external other factor you have yet to prove.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 08:02 AM
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All the data in the world, won’t refute the fact that most women like men who are physically fit. Make bank. Men who are socially adept. Those things will make you more attractive, hence enable you to find a more attractive partner at your level. That's not hypergamy. Humans mate with self-similar partners across a wide array of dimensions. For example, mated partners tend to be improbably similar to one another in terms of education (Mare, 1991), intelligence (Bouchard & McGue, 1981), and physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 07:32 AM
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It is kinda like saying men don't care about physical looks and they don't like extremely hot women. Because mating/marriage data suggest that they mate with women who are look match. What do you think hypergamy is?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 07:29 AM
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If you stop and think about this for a second it supports the hypergamy theory. Married men were supporting their wives in 1972, and also marriage rate hit a peak in 1972. It's been declining since then. 1972 also lines up with when the wage gap started closing. Single motherhood also rose in the early 70's. It correlates, but is that the actual cause? Do you have any proof or evidence that simply income has cause the marriage rates to decline rather than a multitude of complex social factors. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 07:13 AM
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Women date across and up in socioeconomic status and social competency. Men date across and up in beauty. Most people date within the same socioeconomic status, because most people have nothing to actually leverage. If the two sentences you say here are true then men and women don't actualy date up in SOE and beauty, they desire it. Those are two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 06:44 AM
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Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 06:40 AM
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the truth revealed by women’s swiping preferences via OLD which is really the best double blind analytics we have. How are OLD studies the best when the vast majorly of women don't use old, and the vast majorty of OLD users are Men, skewing the ratio heavily? You are also ignoring that women are hypergamous in terms of relevant status and even RP’ers agree this can vary. My argument is that the majority of dating practises are assortative. I'm not arguing a minority aren't. Besides A high status…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 06:38 AM
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that study says lying was only '' moderate in an anonymous condition'' And the self reported body counts only had a difference of a few bodies ie the lie was 3 the real truth was 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 06:21 AM
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You understand that if it was the case of marriage/divorce/relationship law was abolished and women were treated as service providers... The price of their work would be at market price correct? The median income of a man in the us is around 35,000 dollars a year and the average income of a man in the us is around 50,000 dollars a year. However a breadwinning many would probably be on average earning more. https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2020/article/comparing-characteristics-and-selected-expenditu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:55 AM
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How are any of the videos taken out of context? One of the main videos used as evidence (number 3 in the linked video) is literally a web seminar course of Tate with the explicit purpose of explaining how to make money off girls in a web cam business.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 02:02 AM
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Are you condoning paedophilia? disgusting
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:20 PM
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But if you inherently believe in conservative ideas, why does ''winning the game'' mean degeneracy? Wouldn't it be Live a traditional life regardless? Or is it that tate has double standards for men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:49 AM
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I’m not asking you for an explanation on why you think he’s popular. I am asking YOU what particular aspect of this ideology do you actually like or believe in. But you can’t, because you know he’s indefensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 07:31 AM
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''red pill truths'' like what? Tate was a decent kickboxer but he wasn't a real ''world champion''. He was the champion of a low level kickboxing league. He never competed in glory or K1. He was also never a ''grandmaster level chess player''. That is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 05:52 AM
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No, I'm open about my criticism about Tate. Did you read my post? I'm criticising him through questing this beliefs. What does '''one cannot achieve great things without self discipline and self accountability'' mean in the context of tates ideology? Because tate isn't just stoicism.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 05:45 AM
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Is that really how low the bar is?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 03:26 AM
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Even if the most blue pill subreddits on here (ask women, dating advice etc) the advice they give is “don’t be a fat slob who lives in his mum’s basement”. The mainstream advice you would have gotten from your parents boomers also would have been get a job and make something of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 03:08 AM
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“He’s not that bad” is what you said above. He is a literal human trafficker and rapist
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 03:05 AM
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What do you like about Andrew Tate’s worldview? It’s a simple question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:59 AM
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That’s an explanation for why people follow him, but it’s not a explanation for why you should follow him. Explain to me what you actually like about Tate’s worldview, not what he isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:25 AM
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Discipline in what? Accountability to whom? There are heaps of groups that can give you the exact same thing? These are just buzzwords, unless you can test to them in the context of Tate’s ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 01:56 AM
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Lots of groups have given people meaning and purpose. I’m not asking what he’s done, I’m asking what exactly about his ideology do you actually like or follow?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 01:15 AM
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People are angry at him because of how much influence he has over young boys and men. If he was a nobody no one would care.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 01:03 AM
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Uh yeah probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 12:47 AM
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Is that really enough to follow another man? That people don’t like him? What about his ideology do YOU actually like?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 12:37 AM
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Because those groups of men are not a random sample. Being 5-10% of the population doesn't mean 5 -10% of every group. People tend to attract like people. Groups like the ones you detail are probably made up entirely of that 5-10% personality type.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:06 AM
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Why do you need a sex trafficker to tell you to go to the gym? Why do you need a sex trafficker to sell you e commerce courses? The tates do get lots of women, but is isn’t because they are alpha males. Andrew/Tristan take are able to screen and and filter through a large volume of women that some will fall prey to loverboy tactics, due to the way they logistically set up there life facilitated by their wealth. It isn’t really advice that is applicable to 99.9% of men who will never be that weal…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 02:42 AM
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Ok, you are definitely 14 y/o. Ahahahahahah
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 02:27 AM
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We can learn boxing from mike, but we shouldn’t learn gender roles, relationship values, our perspectives of women, and advice on how to get sex from a convicted rapist. Likewise, we can learn kickboxing (or potentially even business/ marketing) from Tate but we shouldn’t learn gender roles, relationship values, our perspectives of women, and advice on how to get sex from someone who is probably a sex trafficker.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 02:22 AM
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Undeniable Evidence That Andrew Tate Is A Human Trafficker - He Snitched On Himself https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ4gURWrlk4
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 12:10 AM
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He has basically admitted it himself. Undeniable Evidence That Andrew Tate Is A Human Trafficker - He Snitched On Himself https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ4gURWrlk4
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 12:09 AM
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Getting canceled only happens to public figures. And unless you do something illegal, you it would be extremely unlikely for you to get fired for something that happened outside of work. HR departments are internal organisations that protect the company from lawsuits from their own employees. So it would be very hard for a non employee to make a complaint (In The first place) to an internal function in a company. Worst case scenario is west elm cabe, and every one forgot him after a month
/r/ExRedPill29/03/23 03:42 AM
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So let me get this straight, your such a sheep of the other herd and your moral compass is so fragile that you stopped caring about rape because some feminists were mean to you an the internet? So in other words you stopped caring about rape to “”own” the feminists? Did you not stop and think ““hey if I got to the point where I stopped caring about rape because feminists made me slightly uncomfortable, don’t they have a point about the toxic behaviour and mindset I have?””
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:37 PM
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I’m sorry the mean feminists hurt your little feeling
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:52 AM
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Thanks for proving how pathetic you are
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:06 AM
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Jesus Christ dude look at what you are writing and have some self awareness. Your telling me you stoped caring about rape because some feminists annoyed you? Did you not stop and think hey maybe the feminists have a point if I’m caring more about being slightly uncomfortable then literally rape itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:00 AM
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This is a really interesting question. I hesitated in answering it because I feel like any reasonable answer I give will be responded with “but that’s not what the left does”, regardless I will give it a shot. Firstly as another commenter pointed out, ‘the left’ is a broad series of political philosophies that mainly focus on a societal analysis of class conflict, or challenging other similar oppressive structures. The Red pill is a series of reactionary internet beliefs about the qualms of men’…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:39 PM
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Firstly women do that stuff already. Like, go talk to a woman. They will all tell you that since they were teenagers they were told a million different rules and tips on how to be safe and keep each other safe etc. None of the tips you are saying are new or original. Also, no one disagrees with what you are saying here. No one has a problem with giving women reasonable tips on how to protect themselves. But that is not what you were arguing. You are moving the goal posts. You were originaly argu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:55 AM
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This line of reasoning can feel intuitively correct but falls apart once you look at it more closely.Firstly you are conflating 'responsibility' meaning ''the ability to do something'' about our own personal safety, and making decisions about the likelihood of something happening with culpability and fault. ''Fault'' implies culpability. The women therefore is responsible for partaking in an action that may reduce the likelihood of their personal safety, but isn't responsible or at ''fault'' for…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:28 AM
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Agree with this post a lot. I totally get why it would suck being a sub 5’7 guy, and being tall is a big benefit. Both men and women know and understand being tall is a attractiveness but the way men and women understand this attractiveness is very different. Women of course view things through the female gaze, but men tend to view things through the male fantasy. Men tend to view things in terms of the “theirs always a bigger fish”, as in the guy who is perpetually taller or bigger is always th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 09:56 AM
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OPs post noted ''men age like fine wine and are more desirable in their 40s and beyond - particularly to women in their 20s.''
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:03 AM
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I see this study posted around a lot but no one bothers to read the study. desirability of age is based off a page rank analysis. So basically women desirability was based off of how many messages were sent to them(in over all quantity), and men's desirability was based off of how many messages they sent out and got a response(in overall quantity) (since men in general got very little first messages). Like with other studies that that show a similar thing, it doesn't show the age of the women se…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:38 AM
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Firstly, you could simply make the male hight distribution a lot more narrower, or simply every man the same height if you were looking for it through an incel lens. But, I think your gravely underestimating the radial changes this would make to our current social sexual dynamics that it would be anything like it is now. genetic engineering wouldnt just be able to make humans taller, or more attractive, but also change what human are attracted too and how we think. I mean this would be a post-st…
/r/AllPillDebate22/02/23 12:33 AM
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It's been a few days but I thought I'd write a quick response regardless. Firstly fair trials are only relevant to an accused individual in court. If there is no accused person you cannot appeal to the necessity of a trial. What exactly would be on trial? The answer a woman gave on a servery? Because there are other ways other than trials to gather evidence on the prevalence of rape, and even if you think it isn't high enough evidence it does show us evidence of something. As for the CDC data, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 11:54 PM
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My sources points to show a massive variable that undervalues ur claim and shows an area where even if the information is unbalanced, still reflects clear instances of it not being a universally man on female dynamic I never said it was universally male on female. I said it was overwhelmingly male on female in terms of severity. Which as of now you have given no evidence to contradict this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:16 AM
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Your own source says 11% of male victims (7.2% women) have considered taking their life due to partner abuse. So, the majority of male and female victims don't feel suicidality (89% male, 92.8% female don't feel suicidality). This is hardly men bearing the ''brunt of partnered violence just differently.''. So the 7x rate of what is reported is just the reflection of the most common dynamic investigated which is male on female DV. This (almost) 7x rate is about MURDER, not any given instance of D…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:23 AM
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I didn't miss the point. I understand what you are saying. If 90% of rape cases are inconclusive, then it is unknowable how many FA there are.... But as I outline in my previous comment there is more evidence than not to suggest that is probably isn't the case that most of these inconclusive cases are lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:45 AM
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Sure, I accept many of those lack of evidence cases could well and truly be false accusations, but I think that realistically it is unlikely most of the cases are false. Firstly, only the MOST generous studies (highly disputed) put the false accusation rate at around half. Secondly most (the majority by far) rape cases aren't even reported to the police and by definition can't be FA made to the police, so most actual rape cases dwarf the amount of false accusations (even if we say every Rape cas…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:30 AM
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Firstly while yes, suicide is of course bad, something you ultimately do to yourself is just fundamentally different Secondly the 7-11% stat you cite is about feeling of suicidality, not rate of suicide . Your own source for that same stat also states that the rate of men murdering women in dv relationships is almost 7x higher than vice versa. And as my previous comment Men dominate in the middle and high frequency violence (especially in the high frequency non reciprocal violence of men against…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:29 AM
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I never said ALL accusations made to the police that had a lack of evidence were true. Me saying only 1-10% of rapes getting convicted was in regards to my point that rape cases have a high burden of evidence and conviction isn't ''just based on accusations''. Sure, I accept many of those lack of evidence cases could well and truly be false accusations, but I think that realistically it is unlikely most of the cases are false. I think there is more evidence to suggest most are probably true. Fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:11 AM
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That is a judiciary assessment to it. The study I cite isn't based on judiciary data. It's literally the most cited study that MRA's/ red pillers give on DV stats. I suggest that you acknowledge that point I made which is that Men dominate in the middle and high frequency violence (especially in the high frequency non reciprocal violence of men against women, which is nearly double the rate women do to men) P4.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 11:57 PM
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''How statistically rare something is never stops women from making it a big deal and being disproportionately afraid of it. Are those accusations exaggerated in how much of a reallife issue they are for the average man? Sure. But so is getting raped and murdered on your way home at night. You want to tell women to stop being so fucking afraid of something that is an "extremely niche and small problem"?'' Men are more likely to get raped themselves, then have had a false accusation made about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 11:51 PM
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I think it may have been you which claimed this in a another comment....but nyway--On the study which states 70 %. They state that men commit more serious domestic violence, and it is supported in the study, https://sci-hub.hkvisa.net/10.2105/AJPH.2005.079020 page no. 4, where they divide by frequency, that 3/4 number is only for low frequency violence. Men dominate in the middle and high frequency violence (especially in the high frequency non reciprocal violence of men against women, which is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:45 AM
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--On the study which states 70 %. They state that men commit more serious domestic violence, and it is supported in the study, https://sci-hub.hkvisa.net/10.2105/AJPH.2005.079020 page no. 4, where they divide by frequency, that 3/4 number is only for low frequency violence. Men dominate in the middle and high frequency violence (especially in the high frequency non reciprocal violence of men against women, which is nearly double the rate women do to men).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:39 AM
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Sure, but that twitter account would have not effect on anyone's life tho
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:35 AM
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I'm sorry I can't view the study it seems
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:34 AM
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Yet they never mention it. Interesting..../s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:32 AM
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The severity of the verbal and social violence women commit to men is never explored, yet we know women's social power is far greater than men's and outweighs men's physical strength in most situations. Citation Citation red piller say this but have no evidence it is actualy worse or more prevalent than men's behaviour. Who hadn't a say in if she should abort or not. So, from a welfare perspective, it's all about women's bad choices that men have to pay for. Regardless, if a child is born aborti…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:31 AM
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You also don't know that is IS a problem either. I don't know (and I don't have any evidence) there isn't a giant gold tea pot on Jupiters moon, but unless someone points to evidence that it exists I think I can say nothings actually there. Because there is a lack of evidence you can say there COULD be a larger problem, but unless you have evidence it actually is a larger problem... it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:04 AM
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Study 2; Is just a table of contents I cant find the study you are linking Study 1; False identifications not malicious false accusations. A woman or the police identifying the wrong man (because the man was a stranger to her for example) is different to a false accusation. False identification means that their is evidence that intercourse/violence occurred but the wrong man was accused. This study looked at 28 case studies. The 25% figure comes from a different study looking exclusions of suspe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:46 AM
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Firstly, there isn't any evidence that the rates of FA would be much higher than 2-10%. Th amount of actual FA is unknowable. To suggest a stat much higher than that would just be speculation. However given that the burden of evidence for rape cases are incredibly high, and the history of police not taking rape cases seriously, it is more likely that most rape cases resulting in a non-conviction are done so based on a lack of evidence rather than malicious. Futhemore, the vast majority of rape i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 03:07 AM
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''Lesbian couples have disproportionately high rates of domestic violence.'' Not relevant. My point is in regards to what women do to men since the alleged problems women cause men seem to be a key tenant of the red pill. What women do to other women isn't relevant. ''Everyone is responsible for their own sexual choices.'' I agree. ''Who cares? It can and still has ruined men's lives irregardless of a conviction. Do you know how many posts there are on the mensrights subreddits of men who commit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 02:47 AM
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So you agree you shouldn't just ''Focus on yourself'' then?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:00 AM
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Err, you know like sex, love, intimacy, experience. Isn't that pretty much this sub/rp exists, to figure out dating dynamics in male terms to get what they want? How do you think people get married anyway? people actually have to date
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:48 AM
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This is just about the worst advice I have ever seen on this cite. The whole ''work on yourself bro and get a career'' is advice for guys who have already missed the boat when they were younger and now can only attract women by over compensating with money. Young guys should be trying to get as much experience as they possibly can when they are younger. You have your 30s, 40s, and 50s to make money. You are only young for a short time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 01:23 AM
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Age gaps tend to be more common in patriarchal polyamorous societies, and societies which place women dependent on men for financial security and status. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age\_disparity\_in\_sexual\_relationships#Larger\_than\_average\_age-gaps Age gaps in marriages have been becoming less common since the 1960s, and women being older than men has become much more common. https://paa.confex.com/paa/2016/mediafile/ExtendedAbstract/Paper3189/PAA%202016%20Extended%20Abstract%20Qian%20H…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 01:05 AM
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20+ year gaps in marriages is statistically <1%. That means marriages where women are older are 5-10 times more likely to occur than that size age gap. You are an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 12:51 AM
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The data shows that older men had the most demand and the least supply in the study. But it doesn't really specify WHO was demanding these older man. The data sample was based off the demand of 20-44 y/o women, heavily skewing towards older women. Data was lacking so much for Under 20 twenties women that they excluded them from the data group (Only one girl was 18). I don't care if older women are attracted to older men , I looking at who's most attractive to younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 11:51 PM
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You reveal in another comment that you are 26 so your opinion doesn't really negate my point. Obviously a 26 y/o isn't going to find 20 y/o attractive, put what older women find attractive isn't my target audience. What Im saying is that 18-21 y/o find 21-25 y/o old men most attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 11:37 PM
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Marriages with larger age gaps tend to correlate with more divorce. Marriages were they are similar age education and wealth (although men with slightly more income), with a fair division of labour, also married not two young or old; tend to do best. I mean there is a whole bunch of stuff that correlates with successful marriages that seem to be random almost, like amount of money spent on the wedding and amount of people at the wedding. Its complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 03:00 AM
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Sure I believe those party's exist, just that u don't go to them. Unless you have a bunch of crazy fetishes, sex is just sex. I fail to see how a young guy having sex with a fuck buddy or his young hot girlfriend who loves and desires him is somehow worse than a bunch of prostitutes having an orgy in front of you and fucking old men at some weird billionaires sex party.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:53 AM
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Firstly i suggest you red my entire post. Secondly, You can find any degenerate and werdo who is willing to do anything for money if you look hard enough. Their is an extremally large element of preselection here. To frame this as revealing the true nature of women is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:12 AM
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Avg age gap for marriages is less than 3 years
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:58 AM
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Eh, for 18-22 y.o women age gaps of more than 5 years are very uncommon. Age gaps within five years means the partner is sill a young- mid twenties guy. Age gaps for women older than 25 start to be more common but still rare. The average women gets married at around 27-31, and the average age gap for marriages is less than 3 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:24 AM
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This line of argumentation isn't going where you want it to go. Age gap relationships and marriages were most common in history and societies where women were unable provide for themselves, have very little rights and were often considered property. As women have entered the workforce and have acquired more rights age gap marriages and income gaps in marriages have been shrinking since the 1960s. Societies which are more progressive have smaller age gaps, and patriarchal societies which allow me…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:08 AM
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Again i'm saying Im saying that men can theoretically peak the highest at this age, not that they all literally peak at this age. Most men never really peak at all, I never said the world was fair. Most men don't peak in their 30-50s either. Most older men get fatter, balder and becoming a millionaire is incredibly rare and unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:49 AM
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only if you say please
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:07 PM
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Well, i don't care. I defined how I was using it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 01:48 PM
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You have no idea what goes on private parties of wealthy people. The one young naive girl who goes home with young-chad after the club to have low-experience sex with him is nothing compared to what money and status pulls and allows for parties that normal people would not believe really happened. I am not an extremely high SMV man myself but i do participate in their parties. And i am not even talking about top 0.1%. We recently took a young Chad, 20, military, perfect body, charming, great guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 01:36 PM
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Hang on, Im not comparing the average to average. Im comparing peak to peak. A tall, lean, young pretty boy collage athlete will always be more desirable to 18-21 y/o in both quantity and quality compared to a millionaire, gymaxxed older guy. And even if we want to compare average to average, a 21-25 is inherently going to have more success than a 30+ y/o. A 30 +y/o is much more likely to be overweight, balding, bald and less athletic than a young man. Why is it so rare to see age gap couples, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:56 PM
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Whats RMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:33 PM
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Im saying that men can theoretically peak the highest at this age, not that they are literal chad at this age. I am also a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:25 PM
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Sure I agree, women generally prefer men who earn more than them. I know these things. I been around the red pill for a long time. But often these red pill truths are exaggerated. Female breadwinners are more likely to divorce, and is probably partly due to male insecurity and female attraction. But even as your source state, this link is weakening; as is the income gap between men and women in marriages since the 60s. This indicates that the female propensity to value male wealth is somewhat so…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:12 PM
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LMAO Youthfulness is an extremely important trait in both men and women for attractiveness. Older men are generally most attractive when they look younger than their age, or try to emulate a more youthful appearance. Almost all attractive 50 y/o men look attractive, because they look a lot younger than they actually are. I mean look at Paul rudd, idris elba, tom cruze. From an evolutionary perspective older men literally have weaker sperm and are more likely to have children with birth defects, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 11:30 AM
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What country/state are you from if you don't mind me asking? Do you live in a religious area? You also have posted about marring women from overseas, is this the case with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 11:14 AM
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The income gap you cite has been shrinking since the 1960s as a result of women entering the work force becoming for financially independent, if anything it indicates that women preference for wealth, has and will continue to shrink, and was the result of being made dependent on by a man. Also that income gap is almost entirely explained that fact that women work less hours (less full time, more casual/part time) because they sacrifice hours looking after children in marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 11:06 AM
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The average 40 y/o out earns the average 18-21 y/o by a ridiculous amount. If women care about money foremost then why is it so rare to see age gap couples, but extremely common to see an 18y/o with an 18y/o? How many 30-40y/o men do you see with 18-21y/o women? Why is it that the majority of the time they are with someone their own age?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 10:47 AM
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Young women don't care about money. Young women only care that you are not a loser and are somewhat ambitious. ''accomplishments'' to a 18-21 y/o woman mean stuff like my boyfriend got a scholarship to collage to play football they don't give a fuck that your a senior partner at a consulting firm or run a semi successful construction company
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 10:25 AM
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because the graph starts in 1998, not the 1960s Take for example stats from the uk. The rising instances of women dating younger men is evidences in the reduction of large male elder age gap relation ships as proportion of marriages. Statistics show that in 1963 just 15% of UK brides were older than their grooms. By 1998, this had risen to 26%, and findings from one 2011 study suggested that the number of women married or cohabiting with a man five years or younger had almost tripled since the 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:58 AM
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hypergamy; the action of marrying or forming a sexual relationship with a person of a superior sociological or educational background. Hypergamy isn't about getting someone with traits you find attractive, its about getting someone that is above you. Sure, women always found those thing attractive, but if they are also thirty at the same stage in life then it by definition stops being hyperglamy. If women are fucking men with increasingly similar age, income and experience then that is a reducti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:35 AM
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This is a common response I have seen. ''Women are fucking around in their twenties then they are settling down in their thirties'' Firstly men are also getting married later, they also fucking around in their twenties at similar rates to women (Don't cite me incel stats- women are sexless at similar rates to men) If women are then fucking men with increasingly similar age and income then that is a reduction in hypergamy from previous generations. Why would women be dating an older men who have …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:09 AM
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ok no problem
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:54 AM
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SOoo women want to marry someone their own age, at a similar level or stage in life. Sounds bluepill to me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:53 AM
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If older men have more bargaining power, and women less as get older, then wouldn't older men marry younger women? Also why did women supposedly have to settle for younger men now, but in the past were able to marry older men? High status older men don't want to marry these ran through older women, but prefer to marry these these younger ones, then where are all these age gap relations that aren't showing up in the statistics?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:41 AM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:35 AM
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Why would birth control shrink the age gaps for marriage tho? If these women are marrying to settle down and have kids after they have ''their fun on birth control in their twenties'', wouldn't that mean they would still end up marrying older wealthier men? And if your follow up argument is that high status older men don't want to marry these ran through older women, but prefer to marry these these younger ones, then where are all these age gap relations that aren't showing up in the statistics?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:23 AM
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Sooo your arguing that since women end up finding their equal women are actually less hypergamy in outcome than decades before? Also why did women supposedly have to settle for younger men now, but in the past were able to marry older men? Or is it the opposite that Women in the past tended to marry older men for financial reasons, and as they have entered the work force and made more money they could actually marry men their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:16 AM
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'' not that they're dating younger men'' I never said they were dating men younger than them, just men who were younger ie. men who were closer to their own age. The rising instances of women dating younger are evidence of the bell curve shifting to smaller age gaps in relationships. Data in Australia and the United Kingdom show an almost identical pattern to the usa.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships Age gaps in marriages ARE shrinking https://paa.confex.com/paa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:03 AM
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She's only 5'1. the dude isn't that tall. literally most people would tower over her
/r/AllPillDebate21/12/22 01:35 AM
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tik tok algorithm isn't science, to tailored towards YOU There is a difference between the perception of the number 6ft and the real perception of someone who is actually 6ft tall in real life. so many dudes roundup their height significantly (some add shoes AND round up), so that devalues the concept we have of what being 6 ft tall actually is, but the perception of someone's height in real life can't be fooled. An actual 6ft guy is taller in real life compared to someone who is 5'10 1/2 but cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 02:02 AM
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To keep advertisers happy in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 12:39 AM
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the average lifetime body count is 6-7. You are probably more attractive than you think you are, and have a personality type that is predisposed to promiscuity and a social circle that reflects that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 01:43 AM
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40% of woman in uni are sugar babies No. This is just not true. Sugar babying saw a 40% GROWTH.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 07:38 AM
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I'm not saying that older dudes can't get better with age or that women don't peak younger, but rollos graph is pulled out of his ass and made up.
/r/TheRedPill15/10/21 02:01 AM
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You no longer a beginner when... You stop being able to put 5 pounds (or less on a lift like OHP) on your main lifts every week even when you are doing a proper training program and have good sleep and nutrition. At this point you will need to do a more complicated forms of progression or programming. If you are doing a proper training program and have good sleep and nutrition, this will likely happen in 3-12 months of training. Just because you have been training for a long time (even years) do…
/r/TheRedPill28/09/21 01:21 AM
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Well gentle giants are giants, they show some physical dominance at the very least which helps a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 07:11 AM
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Well why isn't it? Seriously? Why is it just because he's payed by an external 3rd party he can't try and flirt with women after? Like he's a comic not making a finance report. This is just blatant policing of sexuality on par with religion
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 08:21 AM
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Don't listen to OP. Right now your probably very confused at all the BS on the internet about training. But the Truth is very simple. Firstly, when Volume is equated ALL (3-30) rep ranges grow muscle at the same rate. Secondly, the rep range you do is the one you get strongest at. So, as a beginner all you have to do is pick a program that has a SIMPLE and CLEAR method of progressive overload (and has a reasonable amount of volume). I recommend 'greyskulls LP' or '''5/3/1 for beginners'' as prog…
/r/TheRedPill29/04/21 07:31 AM
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Terrible advice. If you follow the advice of average people, you'll get average results. ironic ''6'1, currently 165lbs'' How many people actually lift heavy at the gym? How many people at your gym can bench at least 225 for reps? The average gym goer does not lift heavy. The average gym goer does the shit that you preach. Telling beginners to do a bunch of high rep isolation work is a good way to get them just spinning their wheels and never actually make progress. 3-30 is the hypertrophy rep r…
/r/TheRedPill29/04/21 07:14 AM
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Women give significant leeway to men they are actually attracted too. Rather than realising the bar is on the floor for men they are attracted too, they say the bar is on the floor for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:55 AM
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The point was less about attractiveness and more about social roles
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 03:38 AM
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This begs the question to whether an average woman is actually more attractive, or that we see women to be more attractive due to bias. Evolutionary and traditionally speaking any given women is inherently valuable due to the fact they can have kids, men aren't inherently valuable unless they do something. ''A woman simply is, a man must become'' A lot of this stuff is itso facto as well. I mean if men find the majority of women more attractive and women don't in regards to men, then women are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 11:54 PM
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best answer yet
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:37 AM
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Agree
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 03:13 AM
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Notice how men never say ''just be confident'' to a woman because while it might be more convenient, it isn't what makes a women attractive to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:27 AM
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We that kinda why we have these debates in the first place. Because humans want to understand and categorise things that are complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 04:49 AM
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Is there a problem with that? No just pointing it out. Status and power are very similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 04:45 AM
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Being able to get to know someone better is convenience not attraction. Convenience is not what makes confidence attractive. Notice how men never say ''just be confident'' to a woman because while it might be more convenient, it isn't what makes a women attractive to them. I see power as the ability to control people and get them to do what you want. I don't find anything attractive about that, because it's generally done through manipulation. People aren't usually conscious of these things. It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 04:43 AM
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My point is that even in ''blue bill'' excuses women still admit it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 03:39 AM
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Footnote: Many people are going to argue at that confidence is attractive trait in women as well, while it isn't unattractive, its not as much of a crucial trait to have. This can be shown extreme examples; Female narcissism reduces marital quality for men, but male narcissism does not for women (Narcissism and newlywed marriage: Partner characteristics and marital trajectories. Lavner et al. (2016) ), Teenage boys with ADHD have double the amount of sexual partners vs. 'normal' teens (Østergaar…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 03:23 AM
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