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0	Lets redo this bear vs man thing. "Ravenously hungry Polar bear with a history of killing people" VS "Jacked up 6 foot 6 350lbs Prisoner serving a life sentence for raping and murdering several women"	Debate	LapazGracie	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/24 05:26 PM

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–	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise The women themselves often make that judgement. Sometimes in retrospect sometimes right in the moment. Yes some losers do take the "i am owed sex" angle. But they are a tiny minority. Most men just seek to understand the dynamics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 03:29 PM
–	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise In most cases people are trying to understand the nature of dating. Not impose their will on people. You can say something like "women like tall men" without implying that they should date shorter men as well. Shit you may be one of the tall ones. Yes some guys do go about it in the "give me give me" direction. But they tend to be a tiny minority. Fairly common practice to take a large group of people and to focus on the worst behaving outliers to make the whole group look bad. It happens all ov…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 03:21 PM
–	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise Yes yes we know. You dont understand the argument and you're here to beat on the same straw man dead horse as the other 1000 posters making this identical point. Making observations about the nature of dating is not the same as stating that someone owes you something. When you say "women choose the worst partners" that is a statement of fact. Often corroborated by women themselves. At no point anyone is implying "they should choose me instead" you're adding that part yourself. Then arguing again…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 02:56 PM
1	Just be what they want So you've never seen a 5/10 guy dating a 7/10 chick? I spent like a year studying couples. Back when I was in my black pill phase. It is what got me out of the black pill actually. I saw A LOT of couples like that in Kyiv. It's actually kind of a meme. Some Shrek looking dude with a princess is very common in Slavic countries. However most couples were looks matched. This was my summary of findings 1) Height is grossly exagerrated. Unless you're very short it probably doesn't matter nearly as mu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/25 10:13 AM
2	Just be what they want Let's say you're an average looking guy. Just to simplify things lets use 1-10 scale. You're a 5 and you want to date a 7. You better have something that makes up for that -2. The only thing there is, is status and money. But of course that is way over simplified. I think people make the mistake of thinking that some 3/10 billionaire will be able to date 9/10 models. They may fuck him. But it's less likely that they will pair bond with them (aka fall in love). It's possible but not likely. The p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/25 02:42 AM
2	Just be what they want Meeting the looks threshold she wants is very difficult if she's attractive herself. the disagreement is on the looks threshold. I think most aveage looking guys meet the looks threshold just fine. They are just not attractive enough to have ONLY looks attract them. Where's with a girl attracting a guy the looks is pretty much the whole ball game. So now we're moving goal posts. 1st responders are respected but to say they're an elite status job is not being very serious. No I specifically ancho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/25 01:26 AM
2	Just be what they want Women do not always get horny for their boyfriend/husband. That's a big reason why relationships go sexless and end. Women initiate most of these split ups. I never said ALWAYS. I said they do. As in when they are properly pair bonded they get horny for their partner. Clearly not all couples are properly pair bonded. the aura of being a pro athlete literally makes them appear physically attractive so you do believe in status making a difference in the perception of attractiveness. I went from br…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/25 01:23 AM
2	Just be what they want Elon Musk has like 14 children. Both Bezos and Zuckerberg are married. No women in their 20s drool over professional athletes. Because those guys are not only rich and high in status. They are also physically attractive. This is a deceptive maneuver on the people who don't like evolutionary psychology. Women DO GET HORNY for their boyfriend. They may not masturbate to Jeff Bezos pictures. Because that would just be hilarious. But they will often give a guy with money and status a relationship. A…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 08:04 PM
1	Just be what they want I disagree. Males and females are fundamentally different in how they perceive the opposite sex. Status and Money to a girl is like a nice ass to a guy. Not enough if everything else is raggedy. But can make a massive difference if everything else is adequate. This is just simple evolutionary psychology. Males had to be the provider. Females are the nurturer who gets pregnant and breastfeeds the babies. You want a fit or at least healthy looking female. Which is why obese women are not desirable…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 07:59 PM
7	Just be what they want You see 2 fit people dating. That's probably a looksmatch. You see some obese dude with a fit model looking instagram chick. We can safely say that's not a looksmatch. It's not rocket science. I spent almost a year paying attention to couples. I would say about 70-80% of them are indeed looskmatched. Not necessarily identical to each other. But within each others range.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 07:53 PM
3	Just be what they want https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X You know they've done studies on this. This is one of MANY. My favorite to quote. We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. How many of your male doctor colleagues are hopeless incels? I imagine although they may not be swimming in vagege. They are probably married.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 07:51 PM
1	Just be what they want Maybe it doesn't change things much to you. But it does very often massively change things for a lot of guys. If you're already good looking. Being a doctor won't make much of a difference beyond having access to higher quality women (doctors and nurses). But having access to people doesn't require medical school. You can find doctors and nurse on tinder. If you're already ugly. Being a doctor will probably help. But you're not going to have the same results as a good looking doctor. Even a good…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 07:46 PM
2	Just be what they want If you start from scratch, which is not the case for most people here, this means 1-2 hours of concentrated research. The information is readily available for those who really want to know. Completely disagree here. It can take 1-2 hours to find information. But it can take years to figure out which information is accurate and which information was nonsense or just doesn't apply to you. When I say years I mean 2-3 years of trial and error. And that's with 2-3 years of trying daily. Trying differ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 07:42 PM
2	What is meant by “accountability”? I feel like we're speaking a different language or something :) have a good one	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 07:34 PM
0	What is meant by “accountability”? You're missing the point. Only the most attractive men don't need to approach women. They can just sit back and wait for women to come to them. Average dudes HAVE TO approach. Otherwise they'll never have women or have utter scraps. Average women don't HAVE TO approach. They can if they want to and often do. But they can often just sit back and options will come to them. Due to how the different sexes work. SO I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. It just doesn't really address what I sai…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 07:26 PM
-6	What is meant by “accountability”? Isn't that the same thing as plausible deniability? Maybe I'm not understanding what they mean by that. I interpreted plausible deniability as saying "well I didn't like him anyway". In other words "he didn't reject me I rejected him". Where's if you hit on a dude and he rejects you that is impossible to say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 07:23 PM
-3	What is meant by “accountability”? No I said a woman who HAS TO approach. Good looking women approach men they like on a regular basis. But those women don't need to approach men to have options. They already get hit on all the damn time. It's just human nature. This is how the psychological aspect of our sexual dimorphism works. Sex carries with it far more potential liability for a woman. They have to be a lot pickier than men. This is a result of that innate pickiness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 07:15 PM
1	What is meant by “accountability”? There's also the dynamic that. Any woman worth a damn. Probably already has a bunch of dudes chasing her. So instead of chasing guys she's just selecting between the ones that approached her. If you're a woman who has to approach guys. You're probably going to get rejected anyway. An average guy HAS to approach women to have any options whatsoever. A woman who has to approach men is probably not particularly desirable. Now that's not to say that women never approach. They do a lot. It's just a 1…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 07:07 PM
1	People on this sub don't understand what being in your Prime or the Wall actually means She didn't' say it was nothing. She was arguing that its not the best age. She agreed that you get the most attention at that age. But your ability to choose is not very good Edit: It's like getting 100mil at 20 or 50mil at 30. 50mil is definitely less than 30. 50 mil is less than 100. But your money managing skills are significantly superior thus it will actually last longer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 02:16 PM
0	If a woman voted against your reproductive rights, would you still want to date her? It's like arguing whether the World Cup is important. To some people its like the reason to their existence. To other people they hardly know the rules of soccer. Some people care deeply about these issues. A lot of people don't really care that much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 09:50 PM
3	If a woman voted against your reproductive rights, would you still want to date her? What is a 6 months left over camp?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 09:22 PM
8	If a woman voted against your reproductive rights, would you still want to date her? For some people is life and death. For most people it's just something talking heads on tv talk about. That they could give 2 shits about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 08:59 PM
7	If a woman voted against your reproductive rights, would you still want to date her? Yes of course I would. Most people don't really care that much about politics. A lot of guys don't really have the luxury of picking and choosing based on trivial nonsense. They'll never date anyone worth a damn if they become picky over petty shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 08:52 PM
5	Feminine names for baby boys should be commonplace and first names should not be gendered at all Practice any coed sport. You will see the fairly substantial difference between human males and human females very quickly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 04:24 PM
3	People on this sub don't understand what being in your Prime or the Wall actually means It doesn't necessarily have to be someones fault. If you date someone who you are not compatible with. That can make both of you miserable. The lack of compatibility can come from all sorts of different things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 03:56 PM
12	Feminine names for baby boys should be commonplace and first names should not be gendered at all Like others have said. There will be massive social consequences. People will bully him. Anytime he has an enemy that will give them something easy to attack him on. On top of that the general unnecessary confusion. All his teachers will think he is female until they actually talk to him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 03:54 PM
1	People on this sub don't understand what being in your Prime or the Wall actually means Or the guy she was dating was a scumbag. That happens too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 03:52 PM
6	Feminine names for baby boys should be commonplace and first names should not be gendered at all It may be a slightly less terrible idea now. But still a terrible idea. Nobody has taken away sexual dimorphism. It's still a thing. Both for humans and the 1000s of other species that have it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 03:45 PM
24	Feminine names for baby boys should be commonplace and first names should not be gendered at all Because generally parents want the best for their child. And giving your boy a girls name is just setting him up for failure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 03:33 PM
4	People on this sub don't understand what being in your Prime or the Wall actually means No not really. She admitted that the choosing pattern is underdeveloped on their end.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 02:42 PM
2	Would men be happier if they were asexual? I didn't get married until 36 and didn't have my first child till 37 (almost 38). Util then I was a lazy fuck. Or when I wasn't a lazy fuck I was chasing the wrong shit. It took me until about 36 to actually care about making a lot of $. Had someone convinced me that money/status actually helps a lot earlier. I probably would have acted different. My dad should have taken me to Ukraine when I was 24 and showed me what life was like in a better place. For romance anyway. US has a lot of advantage…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 03:37 AM
0	Would men be happier if they were asexual? Not at all. I didn't get married till 36 and didn't have my first kid till 38. If I had kids at 20-22. My first wife was pregnant when I was 21 but had an abortion. I'd be making 3 times more $ right now. Lots and lots of wasted time and just dumbassery between 20 and 35. I never felt the need to apply myself because I genuinely believed the whole "women are not attracted to status/money" thing. And I didn't have any children.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 02:57 AM
11	People on this sub don't understand what being in your Prime or the Wall actually means Right so is it really your peak then? When you tend to have better relationships a little bit later on. It's not like women have significantly less options at 27-30. If they stay in shape they can still get an avalanche of interest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 02:48 AM
-4	People on this sub don't understand what being in your Prime or the Wall actually means Nah it's just a statement of fact. Women decline in physical appearance and desirability rapidly after 35. There is no "and then they'll want me" attached to it. Men decline as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 12:06 AM
63	People on this sub don't understand what being in your Prime or the Wall actually means Here's an interesting counter point that my wife made. I was arguing with her saying that early 20s is by far the best time to find a husband. Because never again will you have such a large pool of men to choose from. No matter how good looking you are. You are never going to be better looking than you are in your early 20s. To which she replied "Sure but you don't know how to select men in your early 20s. The type of guys young women go for end up making terrible husbands. They are not good fat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 11:11 PM
3	People on this sub don't understand what being in your Prime or the Wall actually means 25 is way too young to talk about any kind of wall. The true wall is probably somewhere between 35-45 for most women. (depending on how well they have aged). It deals with fertility of course. Even post wall women can probably get more male attention than an average male ever can. Especially one's that were attractive pre-wall. Just the numbers massively dwindle and so does the quality of men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 11:09 PM
2	Would men be happier if they were asexual? No I think the instinct exists for that reason. Why we rationalize those things in our own heads can be quite different. You can make up whatever reason why you wanted to eat that pizza. But the instinct to eat exists because your body needs nourishment. The instinct to strive for achievement exists because a human needs to survive and for a male it is a viable way to attract higher quality mates. The conscious rationalization can be as dynamic as you want. They can have all sorts of personal re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 10:55 PM
5	Would men be happier if they were asexual? You also have to recognize what social status means. It doesn't necessarily mean a lot of $. It can be the hyper aggressive dude on the block. Who sells drugs and everyone is afraid of and respects. That is high class too. Yes some guys like that get really pretty girls. If you're an average looking guy. You want access to pretty girls. By far the best thing you can do is work on your status and money. That is something that a lot of males understand instinctively. For some strange reason we are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 10:47 PM
14	Would men be happier if they were asexual? Low class men have unattractive women (unless they are good looking which most men are not). Men want attractive women. For most average looking guys the only way to secure and have that at your disposal to some degree of certainty. Is to have a lot of $ and status. On top of that the additional material benefits that come with it are nice. On top of that how much $ you have makes a big difference on how well you can take care of your children. Which is part of the same instinctual drive. And I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 10:42 PM
26	Would men be happier if they were asexual? hahahahaaha. You really believe that? What are human females attracted to. A combiation of physical appearance, money and status. What does a president and ceo have loads of? Money and status. Men strive for money and status mostly to attract human females. Yes I know there are some women who think like men. And they really don't give a shit about your money/status. They just want a pretty boy or some version of what they find attractive. But that certainly was not the norm for most of history. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 10:33 PM
1	Submissive men and dominant women But he will die eventually. And if he fails to reproduce so will his entire genetic line. HIs personal one anyway. Submissive men typically have a very hard time attracting women. Because women don't want submissive guys. On average of course. So it is somewhat an existential issue as well. Maybe to a smaller degree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 08:57 PM
2	Submissive men and dominant women Human nature. Submissive men are rare because human males are usually not the submissive one. It's just like gay men are rare. It happens but it's not the norm. Like trying to find a vegetarian tiger. It's just not in their nature.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 08:13 PM
1	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. Up until 35 years old I had terrible luck with women. I did get married once. But that relationship was pretty fucked. At 35 I got in the best shape of my life. Did a ton of social stuff like going to bachata or salsa classes. I joined a kickball league (real thing). I went to tons of parties and endless night clubs. I went to kickboxing, mma, jui jitsu. I often went places just in case there may be some women there. But most of all I worked on my social skills. I had some results. But very path…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 10:21 PM
1	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. No of course not. Like I said if Hitler at one point said 2+2=4 doesn't mean we should forget about math. I'm not selling anything. Just arguing online :) If I was selling something I'd use a totally different approach.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 10:02 PM
1	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. I don't really care. If at some point Hitler said 2+2=4 it doesn't mean that we should all pretend that 2+2=5. That's how guys like Rollo sell their bullshit. They start out with logical effective arguments. Then they proceed with the snake oil. Maybe evo psych was the hook part I dunno. No idea cause I've never watched any of his stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 09:29 PM
1	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. The hell do I care about Rollo? My introduction to Rollo was that he was a grifter who tried to sell men a magic pill. That I have repeteadly said doesn't exist. You think Rollo is the first person to posit that humans are just apes and that we could figure out a lot of our behavior by just asking ourselves "why would our ancestors behave this way".	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 09:16 PM
1	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. Psychology is an entire scientific field. If human's didn't have preset pattern of behavior. Then psychology simply wouldn't be a thing. They do a ton of studies on human sexuality as it is a very interesting topic. And yes they often find the "money and status" of males is a significant factor in how many women will want to form a long term relationship with you. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X This is my favorite one. Women were found to be 1000 times mo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 08:51 PM
1	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. There are entire subreddits dedicated to giving people advice. I suppose some get a kick out of it. I mostly like debating with people. Me giving advice in that frame was more to forward my own position than to actually help you. Though I am serious it probably is the best advice you'll ever get. If you don't believe me just read up on the evolutionary psych examination of the effect of status and money on the attractiveness of human males. Understand that going overseas is like conducting massi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 08:44 PM
1	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. I'm literally giving you the best advice you'll ever get. I'm doing it on purpose. To illustrate that it doesn't matter. A) You won't listen B) Even if you did it has no effect on me	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 08:35 PM
1	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. Yes they get hit on a lot. But again there is no magic key. You either got what it takes or you don't. You're not going to use some key combination of words to suddenly make some girl who has no earthly interest in you interested in you. That's not how it works. You can do things like get in shape. And increase the number of women potentially interested in you. But that's not exactly a secret. What do you think these guys are doing that actually get the pretty girls? They probably don't even kno…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 08:29 PM
2	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. Right. Which is the point I was making to that guy. You're agreeing with me. Even if someone gives you some valid information. It will likely require a lot of effort on your end. So this whole "you're creating competition for yourself" like it's some business idea. Doesn't really apply here. Unless you live on some deserted island or in a tiny village with 1 attractive woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 08:24 PM
2	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. I was just using that as an example. Even if I gave you some concrete and useful information. It's not something that would ever cause me to have "less competition". Simply because it likely takes a tremendous amount of effort from you and the likelyhood of you ever trying to hit on the same woman as me is astronomically low.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 08:20 PM
2	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. You guys act like there is some magic potion. If you behave a specific way that will just make a woman cream for you. That's really not how it works. Most of the stuff that does work is shit like "get in the best shape of your life". Which takes a tremendous amount of effort. And not exactly a secret. The people on dating apps who are your competition. They are not applying some super secret algorithm. Some of them are just better looking or richer than you. Some of them have better social skill…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 08:13 PM
3	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. Because most of it is not something that can be given away. I can tell you to lose 30lbs after I lost 30lbs and it worked for me. Does that information magically allow you to lose 30lbs without the massive amount of effort that goes into it. It's the same way for most other things. They are probably not trying to pull the same girls. Unless you guys live on a deserted island with a very limited supply. I am saying there are millions of women around the world. Suppose I had the perfect algorithm …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 08:09 PM
4	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. Because it simply doesn't work that way. It's not like there is some hair style that every man can use that suddenly turns him into a Chad. Most of that stuff is very heavily reliant on the person themselves. One hair style will look great on one dude and terrible on another. And overall it makes a fairly small difference anyway. There is no magic potion to dating. Except for maybe Passport Broing. But there is so many millions of women across the globe that you're never really going to run out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 08:01 PM
2	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. “Every guy that’s not in your crew is competition” after all. I don't think that applies to dating. It's not like some business idea where if you tell others you're suddenly going to be making scraps. It doesn't work like that. Not necessarily a stranger. But it doesn't have to be someone you know very well. Shit people online are often pretty useful if they are being objective. They have no reason to lie to you if they aren't selling you some shitlicking course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 07:24 PM
3	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. Right... So don't ask some asshole peddling a self help book. Ask someone who has no stake in it. That's common sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 07:12 PM
-2	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. Second, the chad/beta nonsense is the dumbest, most self defeating thing to get sucked into. In reality, tons of guys end up in relationships without being male models. You could too, if you weren't shooting yourself down from the start. It's very accurate though. Some guys have broad appeal and some guys don't. Knowing where you stand is very pragmatic. It's useless to pretend that you're some Chad that all women want if everything about your living experience tells you the exact opposite. Like…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 07:11 PM
4	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. No. Just like asking gay guys what a man wants wouldn't work either. They are fundamentally attracted to different things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 07:08 PM
1	What guys really want Here's the problem with this logic. How do you actually know in this situation that the woman actually grew to like you and isn't just settling cause your the best option at the moment? At least with the woman who shows high attraction and interest off rip, settling isn't as much in question. Just look at how she's behaving. Unless you've never had anyone like you in your entire life. It's usually not rocket science. Sure but considering you can only marry one person, maybe the person you commit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 12:04 PM
3	What guys really want I disagree. I think what you're missing is that there are different levels of attraction. Which is what i was trying to explain with the young Jessica Alba example. It's not an on and off switch. Some people turn you on more than others. While a lot don't turn you on at all. So while I agree that it's not something that can be "negotiated". Because it's an instinctual reaction. It doesn't mean that it's always instant and always overwhelming.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 02:22 AM
1	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. But didn't you say. you had the same good results overseas? I think all you're doing when you passport bro is amplifying the same effect.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 12:59 AM
2	What guys really want A far more reasonable take is that attraction isn't always instant for women. It's not always instant for men either. But it's usually quicker. Sometimes they like a guy right away. Sometimes it takes a little while. There are levels of attraction. A young Jessica Alba may completely sweep me off my feet to the point where I'm a nervous wreck just being around her. But that doesn't mean some chick a couple of points off Jessica Alba will not be able to satisfy me either. Someone who is still att…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 12:31 AM
1	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. if you're ugly you gotta date ugly women. Which most men don't want to do.... But would you say that men can show other traits like money and status in photos? Clearly the guy wearing nice clothes on a vintage boat in Lake Como for his profile pic can show status much better than the gym selfie guy. Have you heard about the fact that a large % of instagram influencers rent expensive cars and go into fake looking airplanes to take pictures of them "travelling". It's no different from a fat woman …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 10:38 PM
1	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. OK and did he say he was struggling? Like I said in another reply. For all we know he was already dating women in the top 10-20% range. It won't change much from there. It's hard to gauge without knowing anything about him. And no the fact that millions of people partner up in western countries doesn't tell us that women don't care about money and status. In fact one could argue that the reason the single rates for both women and men are rising sharply is due to the fact that women are starting …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 10:35 PM
1	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. Ok so what does that prove? I'm happily married. I still find other women attractive. Some are even dare I say better looking than my wife. It's irrelevant. I'm never going to cheat on her. I'm never going to leave her. I enjoy having sex with her. You don't have to be the best looking guy on planet earth for a woman to pair bond with you. You just have to be sufficient in enough areas. Which usually means you need to NOT be ugly as fuck. But if you're average looking the best thing you can do i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 10:25 PM
1	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. Most people are average looking. When it comes to "which average looking guy will get an attractive woman". It's usually the status and money that decides. If you're ugly that doesn't really apply to you. If you're good looking that also doesn't really apply to you. Though being both rich and handsome is a hell of a package. You conveniently ignore the part where I said "This is why online dating is such a sausage fest. Because not that many women choose on looks alone unlike most guys."	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 10:18 PM
1	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. You and I don't know anything about the guy. For all we know he already dates attractive women. He didn't say "I still can't get women". And even if he did. Again you don't know anything about him. He may be ugly as fuck (sorry). He may have some neurodivergent traits. Who the fuck knows. When I talk about things I am talking about relative averages. If you have more money and status on average you will have a higher quality partner anywhere. Including the West. But if you go overseas your prosp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 10:16 PM
1	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. The way I like to explain it is like this. The way guys operate is the way a woman looks determines whether she can turn us on or not. Now SOME GUYS can turn women on with how they look. But that's not necessarily how women get turned on. Most women really want to fuck THEIR MAN. They boyfriend/husband. That is who turns them on. And they want you to be a quality partner in some way. This is why online dating is perpetually a sausage fest. The things that make a woman a good partner are easily d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 08:34 PM
1	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. So your response is "yeah well he could do it if he wanted" ? That makes zero sense. He could be a sugar daddy. Is that what you mean? No I mean he could if he wanted to. I married a woman that I really liked. Perhaps I could have dated someone much younger while still living in Kyiv. But I am fine with what I have so I never had an urge to do that. Like I said it's almost like we are on different planets. I've went to many different conventions in Vegas as part of my previous career. I was alwa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 08:15 PM
1	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. The average looking high paid CEO is not dating models. Just look up Mark Carney, new PM of Canada. He's also very rich and very successful. He's better looking than his wife. That doesn't mean he couldn't. For whatever reason he chose her. Go to some convention where wealthy men bring their wives. The disparity in physical appearance will jump out at you very quickly. or go walk around Kyiv or any other Eastern European capital. You also have to remember a lot of people pair up young then becom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 04:29 PM
1	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. Right this is what we disagree about. You assume that attraction is 100% physical for both males and females. It certainly is for a high % of males. But for females it's compartmental. If you're not disgustingly ugly then having more money and status will make you more attractive. As highlighted by the study I posted in the first comment. So yes you do very much become more attractive by going overseas. You can date women much better looking than you. Something that is nearly impossible in a Wes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 04:17 PM
1	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. Try going overseas. You'll see what an immense difference money and status makes very quickly. Without knowing you specifically it's impossible to tell. Maybe you were already dating attractive women. You can't go much higher up then that. Or maybe you do have a giant red flag and don't realize it. Anecdotally I've lost 40 lbs before. And made a massive difference in my dating life. But not as massive as moving to Kyiv for 2 years. They both work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 11:46 AM
2	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. I strongly disagree with that sentiment. I used to believe what you're saying too. To my detriment. Truth is. It's very difficult for us to empathize with how people select their partners. I know gay men exist. I've watched them live. But I still can't fathom how they can find a man attractive over a sexy ass woman. But just because I can't empathize with it. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. How women perceive men sexually is also another one of those that's difficult to empathize. We think that i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 01:43 AM
3	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. Personality is too vague. Also set in stone to some degree. What personality would you even chase? Social skills is very important. If I was ever giving dating advice I would definitely zero in on improving social skills highly underrated. And often when people say personality that is what they are talking about. Physical Appearance, Money and Status give you concrete things you need to chase.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/25 11:38 PM
3	CMV: Women don't care about money when looking for a partner. There was this fun study that showed men and women pictures of various individuals. Then they attached a salary underneath. And gauged how that would affect their evaluation of the persons physical appearance https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. Not 2 times. Not 10 times. Not even 100 times. A THOUSAND TIMES. Men ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/25 10:35 PM
1	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? A pair bond doesn't imply for life. You gotta remember in the wild our children could survive ok once they got to 10-12 years old. It can last a lifetime. But clearly often it doesn't. And it doesn't need to as far as nature is concerned. A pair bond is just a bunch of chemicals that make people feel a deep connection towards each other. "Love" is a good word here. We're describing love. Pair bonding is the scientific term for love. Nothing about "love" implies it has to be permanent and unbreak…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 10:06 PM
–	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? Love = Pair bonding The type of love a couple feel for each other. I'm surprised you're not able to put 2 and 2 together. If couples didn't love each other. It would be impossible for them to raise children together.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 07:42 PM
1	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? They are FROM THE HOOD. I didn't say UF was the hood. Do you really not understand that? No if you are from the hood and you go to UF. You probably earned it through what is called the Florida Bright Futures scholarship. Which is how I went to UF as well. You don't need to be wealthy. Just had to apply yourself in school (even half ass so to be honest, i barely applied myself). On top of that you gotta remember the AA aspects. The massive amounts of grants available to minorities who go to schoo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 04:07 PM
1	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? They are broke as a joke. So yeah that qualifies. But they are often attractive intelligent men. Not everyone who goes to UF is flush with cash. I remember we had Indian men who lived 5-6 in some 2 bed room apartment. Ate the same shit every day. Traveled by bus or bike. Wore the same shit every single day. Still were UF students. The ghetto Chads had way more $ then that.... but still poor relative to some upper class white girl.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 04:01 PM
–	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? Unless you look at the entire planet and realize that every single society is built around the male and the female raising children together. Which is what pair bonding is and why it exists. To facilitate raising children. You'd have to find some oddball Amazon tribe to find a society that doesn't have mother and father raising kids. So yes if you ignore reality you can claim that pair bonding doesn't exist in humans. If you ignore our media. The endless amount of songs, videos, movies, tv shows…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 03:53 PM
1	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? Life isn’t a video game, people can’t see your “sexual score” or whatever the fuck you’re nerding out about. never said they could. Hence why this mythical ghetto Chad is banging millionaire socialites when reality doesn’t remotely demonstrate that. I've seen it many times first hand at UF. If you have to make up ridiculous hypotheticals to demonstrate your theory, how practical is its application in reality? You mean explaining the theory for people who don't understand it? It's always been up …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 03:50 PM
1	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? I think you don't understand what hypergamy actually entails. You're arguing against your own fallacious interpretation of it. Think of it this way. If we were video game characters and our sexual value had a score attached to it. Males = Physical Appearance + Money + Status Females = Physical Appearance. So a very attractive guy. Some Chat from the hood. Can easily find rich white girls who want to fuck him. Even if their family is worth millions and he is broke as a joke. Why? Because his phys…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 03:40 PM
–	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_bond sure scroll down to the human section. We also know its innate because it is so common in the animal kingdom.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 03:37 PM
1	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? Yet relationship data shows that people overwhelmingly date and marry within their economic class. Yes of course. A) This is who we spend the most time around. B) If you really think about it. It proves hypergamy. Since men don't give a flying fuck about how much $ the woman earns, clearly one side of that equation does. If Hypergamy were real, poor men wouldn’t be dating at all, when reality demonstrates the opposite. Up and across. Poor men will just date poor women. Hence why RP had to invent…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 03:34 PM
–	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? I'm not using that as evidence. In the past your family determined whether you are nobility or not. How much value you could produce to society was very secondary. That is not something the Knights Tale made up. That is how it really was. If you were born a Noble. You were a noble even if you were mentally handicapped. If you were born a peasant. You would likely remain a peasant. Even if you were Albert Einstein.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 03:32 PM
2	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? I think he is just doing a poor job of explaining his reasoning. Women are starting to outearn men. As a result we are seeing a lot of single men and women. Why? Because on average women don't want to date a guy who earns less than them. Unless he is very attractive. And very attractive men are rare. Everything that Hypergamy suggests is actually happening.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 03:19 PM
–	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? No. Humans pair bond. When a couple is properly pair bonded (satisfied with each other to a degree). They are not likely to want to find a new partner. Some pair bonds are just not very good. For various reasons. This is where you see a lot of cheating and break ups. "Happily married" usually isn't going to cheat. On average anyway. Weird shit does happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 03:17 PM
–	If women are naturally hypergamous, why do some women date poorer men? Yeah but true nobility doesn't exist. We are all one good business idea or even lucky business idea from joining the "nobility". Good luck joining the nobility 400 years ago. You better be real good at forging papers like that dude in the Knights Tale. That's the only way to move up a class in that world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 03:16 PM
2	It's sad that women have been conditioned to be self serving and overly interested in men's money and resources. Not necessarily. Just means the tall preference is a bit overstated and can be easily overcome by other factors.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/25 05:07 PM
18	It's sad that women have been conditioned to be self serving and overly interested in men's money and resources. Even then. The reason you love your children unconditionally is because they are your seed. We're wired to deeply care about them because without them our genetics perish. So it's not really "unconditional".	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/25 05:06 PM
0	Men make women miserable. When given the choice, women will always walk away from men and be happily single. Men should realize this and live their lives accordingly. This is nonsense. From an evolutionary perspective humans do this thing called pair bond. This is called love and a bunch of other names. But it's just brain chemistry. There's a very important reason for this. Human babies are incredibly fragile relative to most other animal babies around the planet. Our children are born somewhat underdeveloped. Due to the massive size of our head relative to the size of the opening they are born out of. For reference a lot of animal babies start walking on da…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 11:08 PM
–	Do Married Women Lose Their ‘Value’ in Red Pill Thinking? Well of course. Some asexual ugly female surgeon has a ton of value to society. Surgery is complicated and most people don't have the patience or aptitude to learn how to do it. But this is a dating subreddit. When we talk about "value" we sort of assume that everyone knows we mean dating value.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 09:48 PM
–	Do Married Women Lose Their ‘Value’ in Red Pill Thinking? They don't either. She's married and completely off the market. She has no value but it's a good thing. Because she already got what you need that value for in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 09:31 PM
–	I don’t understand why some men in the manosphere complain that men lose a lot in a divorce but also say they don’t care about a woman’s education, job, earnings etc You guys act like attraction is a choice. Yes I'm sure if guys could choose to be attracted to obese career oriented women they would be. Because that would make life a hell of a lot easier. But it just doesn't work that way. We don't care because we choose not to care. We are just wired that way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/25 11:25 AM
5	A dual mating strategy is used by people who feel desperate…But it is men who are more likely to feel desperate. Its really hard to read the way you write. With the bullet points. Difficult to follow your train of thought. Love is the variable that kind of defeats the entire argument. If you properly pair bond with a woman and have kids with her. That is incredibly valuable. There are rich men who are miserable with their lives because they never pair bonded. So that kind of goes against the whole "you don't get much in return". You absolutely do from a proper pairing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/25 03:05 AM
5	A dual mating strategy is used by people who feel desperate…But it is men who are more likely to feel desperate. Relationships offer no benefits at all Huh? You get constant access to sex. You get tons of affection. You properly pair bond with a person. You have children together. You raise your children together which produces much better adults. Your wife is often your best friend. This whole "relationships offer no benefits at all" is just mindblowing to me. A bad relationship sure. But a good relationship offers a fuckton. Probably more than you can get out of anything else in this world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/25 02:18 AM
1	Alpha males and beta males don't exist Right my argument was that this whole idea that it's natural for women to seek semen from a better man and then pair up with a weaker man is utter nonsense. It wouldn't make any sense whatsoever in the wild. Where the man can just fucking kill you and probably get away with it. Where any man who finds you cheating on him is going to leave you and you'll be stuck raising the kid on your own. Yes sure women sometimes use "lesser men". Absolutely. Nobody is arguing otherwise. But it's not some "dat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/25 02:00 AM
3	Do you oppose or support men being able to legally cut ties with children not biologically their’s in the case of late stage paternity misattribution? There's the human factor. 99.5 and 99 may seem like a small difference. But we're talking about millions of genes here. That accounts to a fairly large difference. Just look at how varied 2 humans may be. Look at Danny Devito and compare him to Jason MoMoa. That is a difference between 99 and 99.5 similarity. The difference between your biologic child and some other child is quite gargantuan in our primordial brain.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/25 12:00 AM
1	Q4A: "If men did more [of women's thing] they would get more of [women's results]" - why do you think they don't? Both human males and human females are caring and nurturing towards their children. BUT females are more nurturing. Females are less likely to abandon their children. The key word is "more". Noone is saying males are never or not nurturing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/25 10:52 PM
1	Alpha males and beta males don't exist That sounds just like a bad relationship. AF/BB would imply that the guy takes care of the kids for many years. If she just dates him for a few months and then dumps him for another dude. That's typical relationship turnover.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/25 10:51 PM
0	Q4A: "If men did more [of women's thing] they would get more of [women's results]" - why do you think they don't? The answer is human nature. Males and females are just different biologically. Our brains are wired different. We think different. We look different. This was common knowledge for most of human history. Only recently has it become taboo to say this obvious truth. Males are less involved as parents (on average) because they are males. Females are just naturally more nurturing. Males don't give a shit about socioeconomic status. On average anyway. If she's hot we don't give a shit if she flips bur…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/25 11:35 AM
1	Alpha males and beta males don't exist Well if he's getting dumped. Then he's not taking care of the kids long term now is he..... You must be thinking of the young cohort. Where all sorts of flip flopping is more common in general. Kids or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/25 11:29 AM
1	Alpha males and beta males don't exist Usually it's not from cheating. It's guys who take care of the first kid and sire more with the woman. That's not the same thing as AF/BB because the guys who are the provider are also procreating. Also many men died during the prehistoric times. So it wasn't unusual to change partners. Just like we do now. It's not necessarily evidence of some patterned innate scummy behavior.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 11:01 PM
1	Alpha males and beta males don't exist I said "at scale". Yes some will pull it off. But most of the time you'll get caught cheating one way or another. Most cheaters get caught. There's a reason males are less interested in slutty women when it comes to long term relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 10:56 PM
4	Alpha males and beta males don't exist I disagree that females have more than one. The whole "get impregnated by Chad and have some normie raise my kids" would be impossible to pull off at scale in the prehistoric times. Maybe a small % of females operate this way. But the majority seek a high quality partner. The reason you often see women used up by Chads is because of the MALE #1 strategy which is to just fuck a bunch of women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 01:38 AM
5	Alpha males and beta males don't exist Males are the one with the dual mating strategy 1) fuck fuck fuck 2) Invest in one Females have but one 1) pair up with a high quality mate This idea that females will try to get semen from some high quality DNA male and then ensnare a lesser man to take care of them is totally illogical from an evolutionary perspective. It may work with primitive animals or primitive primates. That are almost completely incapable of abstract thought. But if you tried to do that at scale with human males. You'd …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 01:11 AM
3	Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them. Only in younger cohorts. For a lot of the same reasons. Guys with aggression and muscle to back it. Rise to the top of the social hierarchy in our high schools. Because our high schools are degenerate shitholes. A large % of them anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/25 04:32 PM
2	Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them. I couldn't read that giant wall of text. But I read at least half of it. You have to understand that females select differently from men Males on average select based on physical appearance. Females on average select based on physical appearance, status and money. So when you go to the hood. With your well behaved nice ass. You're on the bottom of the social hierarchy. As thuggy drug dealers with aggressive behavior tend to be on the highest social stature. There's a reason most normal people ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/25 04:03 PM
2	The female orgasm is a myth The squirting stuff. They just find girls who are good at making themselves squirt. That is much easier then training some chick to piss at a very specific point. Yes I agree a large % of them are faking it. Kind of hard to get into sex when you have cameras all in your shit. Even if they think the guy is attractive. It just ruins the mood. Guys need Viagra too......	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 04:41 PM
–	For those who have dated a girl from a different culture before dating someone from your culture. Can you please answer my question.. Word to the wise. Hip Hop and R&B is very popular among the whiteys. Good music transcends race. I mean I wouldn't play any hardcore "I shot that motherfucker" type of rap in front of their parents. But other then that. This is not really something I would be too concerned with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 04:35 PM
1	The female orgasm is a myth So why do you figure women who are squirting are faking? Especially the ones who are not even fucking anyone. Who are fingering themselves. For the specific purpose of squirting... It would be harder to fake it then to actually orgasm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 04:33 PM
-4	The female orgasm is a myth Do you think the guys with erect penises and which are ejaculating are faking it too?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 04:30 PM
-4	The female orgasm is a myth Yes but the videos of them squirting is not videos of women just pissing pretending to have an orgasm. They are actually orgasming. Do you think porn is reliable documentation to prove that men ejaculate? Or get an erect penis? In case we had some insane women who believed otherwise. I'd say so. It's video documentation of an event.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 04:21 PM
-2	The female orgasm is a myth Do they think all those squirting videos are just girls pissing or what? I mean even if you never done it yourself. You have some pretty reliable documentation (porno) that can prove your view wrong. I've never met anyone that believes that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 04:03 PM
0	I don’t understand why some men in the manosphere complain that men lose a lot in a divorce but also say they don’t care about a woman’s education, job, earnings etc We point it out because it does matter to women. Women include that in the "is he attractive" subconscious math. Not voluntarily. Just the way womens brains works. Men not so much. How hot you are depends solely on your physical appearance. Yeah sure if we have a choice between 2 attractive people we might choose the educated one. But that is just post hoc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 02:53 PM
-2	I don’t understand why some men in the manosphere complain that men lose a lot in a divorce but also say they don’t care about a woman’s education, job, earnings etc We say that career and education doesn't matter because it's a fact. You're either hot or not. Your education plays no role in that math. Men and women are different. We don't factor in outside factors all that much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 01:43 AM
1	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market Oh I'm sure a Western woman will find plenty of men willing to fuck her over in those places. Some will even marry her. But because of our differences in biology. She's not very likely to find someone who actually likes her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 12:28 AM
2	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market You can't lose the status. The status comes from your citizenship of a Western country. Yes they ACTUALLY like the dudes. That's the secret nobody wants to tell you. You have to go there yourself and find out .	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 12:25 AM
1	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market What do your history books say otherwise? There's a reason humans are sexually dimorphic. Males have always been the provider. Yes women worked the farms. Yes some women even fought on the battlefields although that was insanely rare. But for the most part. The man brought home the bacon and the woman took care of the children.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 12:23 AM
1	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market Yeah when they overstay their visas or enter illegally. During Bidens administration there was a cheat code. 1) Cross ilegally 2) Claim asylum when caught 3) Wait for years while your case comes up Yeah a lot of those folks are now getting deported.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 12:14 AM
1	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market It's a catch 22. Money itself does not arouse women. But having money makes you more appealing as a boyfriend. Being a womans boyfriend. Someone she actually likes. Does arouse a woman. So indirectly it works just fine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/25 12:13 AM
–	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market If you come on a spousal visa. You get a green card as soon as you enter. If it's a fiance visa. It's a little different. But I believe you get a green card pretty fast there as well. As long as she doesn't dump his ass very fast. She's going to get the green card. Spousal visa is always the one recommended. Because they can work right away and have permanent residency right away. And then they have pretty much all the protections that a citizen would have.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/25 03:08 AM
–	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market That's why there's alimony and child support. Believe it or not you're not the first person to ask these questions. Edit: Also don't forget. These are usually more attractive women. They come here to the West and they are very much wanted by many other men. So it's not like she is doomed to be single forever. If you break up with your husband you don't automatically lose your green card either. Especially if you have kids with the guy. So she can easily find another man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/25 03:02 AM
–	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market would they have the same success finding women if they appeared to be an average man from that country? No they wouldn't. That's the whole gig. Their Western status and Western $ is what makes them far more attractive. Its just how humans select partners. Males mostly on looks. Females on a combo of looks, money and status. As long as you're not disgustingly ugly. Your Western Money and Western Status significantly improves your value as a man in the eyes of those women. Which often leads to rea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/25 01:45 AM
–	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market They go there because males and females select differently. Human male (on average) selects primarily on physical appearance. Human female (on average) selects based on a combination of physical appearance, money and status. It's simple biologic arbitrage. Would be like a 350 lbs American woman getting on a plane to Colombia and then losing 200 lbs as soon as she gets off the plane. Thats the effect it has for a man. Except males are not particularly attracted to wealth and status so the passpor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/25 01:41 AM
–	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market Oh brother. You guys have no idea what a real slave is. A woman who has a man who takes care of her is not a slave. Especially in the West when she can walk away whenever she damn well pleases. This is how humans are. Man provides. Woman nurtures. Has been this way for many 1000s of years. Until you start genetically engineering some other breed of humans. That will be the default and the preferred setup for our species.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/25 01:37 AM
–	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market Yes https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. About half of them are indeed just cunts who use people for green cards or just regular scammers and prostitutes. But the other half are just regular women who want a husband.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/25 01:32 AM
–	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market Scientific experiments have shown that how much $ and status a man has. Has an effect on the overall evaluation of you as a man. Which means a lot of these girls ACTUALLY like the dude. Certainly not all of them. About 50% of them are scammers, thieves and users. But the other 50% is just regular women looking to partner up with a guy form higher status or $.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/25 01:30 AM
–	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market Because they are not all gold diggers. About 50% of them are. It's on you to figure out which one is which. There are some guidelines you can use. Like don't meet girls in the club. Don't date strippers. If they have a big OF account or Instagram account probably not what you want. Look for girls who are in school or working. Real people not bimbos.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/25 01:28 AM
–	The reason women loathe the passportbro movement is because it threatens their position in the dating market It doesn't work in Miami. Those hoodrat girls don't want you. They want PrisonChad or Tyrone. Or they are fat as fuck or something. The good looking girls in the hood have plenty of options. The ugly girls in the hood you don't want. So it's pretty much the same as any other place in the West. The reason passport bro works is because your status and wealth increases tremendously relative to the rest of the population. That doesn't happen in some hood in Miami.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/25 01:25 AM
19	“You cant love someone until you love yourself” is a lie. But you’re right, a relationship never fixes things like mental health issues. I disagree wholeheartedly. I haven't touched a single drug in 4 years. I have not smoked anything in almost 3 years. I haven't even drank in over 2 years. Why? Because I got married and had kids. That degenerate lifestyle just doesn't appeal to me anymore as I have more important things that require long term commitment. It will sometimes fix things like mental health issues. And sometimes it will not. It works partic…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/25 11:33 AM
3	If you have to chase a woman, you've already lost. I disagree. Ask any genuinely hot chick how many guys are trying to get with her. It's usually 10+ at any given time. And that's just the 10+ they responded to. Probably 100s of other they brushed off.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/25 04:15 PM
4	If you have to chase a woman, you've already lost. I don't agree. If you're chasing sought after women. You're likely not the only guy chasing her. You may not even be the only guy she likes chasing her. If you just play passive. The more ambitious guys will take your cookie. It's just how the world works. You can't bank on being the best option every time. That only works if you're chasing whales.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/25 11:55 PM
1	Status and wealth as indicators of attraction is the ultimate cope For what? One night stands? Or long term relationships? Most women don't even like one night stands. Also your categorization is way off. It's really Hot Average Unattractive It's important because most guys are neither ugly or "hot". They are somewhere in the average range. A hot guy will obviously do even better if he's rich. An average looking guy can make an enormous difference in his luck with ladies with wealth and status. Ugly guys tend to suffer regardless. Unless they are capable of fin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/25 12:17 AM
1	Status and wealth as indicators of attraction is the ultimate cope Right which is the core of this argument. Do women actually find wealth and status attractive. Or are they all just acting like a bunch of useless worthless disgusting hookers. Science tends to believe that women actually do favor men with status and wealth at an innate level. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X Doesn't mean that taping $100 to your body will make you look like a Chad. More like "you are more likely to find a long term partner who is satisfied…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 11:21 PM
1	Patriarchy is genetic My point is that oppression and pragmatism are not mutually exclusive You can't concede anything, can you? I agreed. I don't need to concede anything. We both agreed that sometimes humans oppress each other. Because it's pragmatic. In metaethics, the naturalistic fallacy is the claim that it is possible to define good in terms of merely described entities But I'm not defining anything is "good". I'm asserting it's natural and pragmatic. Not that it is "good".	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 11:05 PM
1	Patriarchy is genetic Lol no, it's still around, I assure you Just ask the middle east Only in underdeveloped shitholes. Surprise surprise. It was a choice Is it really a choice when all humans on every continent regardless of race or religion. Practiced slavery to some extent. When every human society "chooses" something. It's probably just a natural order of things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 10:37 PM
2	Status and wealth as indicators of attraction is the ultimate cope I assure you that man has no problem finding an abundance of willing partners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 10:35 PM
17	Status and wealth as indicators of attraction is the ultimate cope They've done studies on this. This is just one of many https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. They showed men and women pictures of various opposite sex members. With a salary undernearth. Women were 1000 times more sensitive to this information with their ratings. A THOUSAND!!! Not 10, not even 100. A fucking 1000. M…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 10:13 PM
5	Status and wealth as indicators of attraction is the ultimate cope He has like 13 children. So in practice he is very successful with his pee pee. And that's on top of him having Asperghers. His mannerisms are ordinarily a huge turn off for women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 10:05 PM
1	Patriarchy is genetic Fertility was an issue due to diseases, starvation and generally shitty poor environments. Something like 50% of humans never made it to 5 years old. This is all fairly well known facts, which is why I don't elaborate too much on them. as the existence of all slavery proves Yes and slavery disappeared as soon as we industrialized. Because it stopped being pragmatic. Before that it was widespread in every timeline on every continent. You could say "we didn't have to enslave each other". But in pr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 09:42 PM
5	The Red Pills Critique of Hedonism: Understanding the Roots If someone genuinely enjoys open relationships. Calling them a cuck shouldn't be a big deal. After all I don't give a fuck when gay people call me a "breeder". The problem is a % of men who are in those relationships were forced into it by their female partner. Calling them a cuck is fighting words. Because they are already deeply insecure about the whole thing. But then you have to ask yourself. What is the bigger problem here? That you call him a cuck or that he is in a miserable relationship.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 06:06 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic Teen pregnancies go against human biology and come with high risks of complications like preterm birth, low birth weight, and health issues for both the mother and baby. But that doesn't change the fact that if you have sex without protection you are far more likely to get pregnant. Condoms reduce the likelyhood by like 99% or something. We're just talking about how the real world is. Whether you like it or not. Prehistoric teenagers had lots of sex just like we did. But theirs were way more lik…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 05:59 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic Division of labor by ability doesn't necessitate oppression, restriction/denial of rights by sex, and treating women as property Fertility was a big issue for most societies of the past. Maybe they tried the whole "let women do whatever they want" and proceeded to get conquered by more traditional cultures. As soon as their fertility went to shit and they became severely weakened as a result. Culture much like species go through a survival of the fittest mechanism. If your mechanism is broken. W…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 05:57 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic It's much weaker than it used to be. Practically irrelevant. Used to be that only men could hold many different positions throughout society. Nowadays any job that women can do they are already doing. There are some aspects that still exist. Likely due to our innate biology more so than anything else. Relatively speaking you might as well say it doesn't exist anymore.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 05:28 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic Yes because our technology has massively changed. A little 100lbs woman with a gun can kill dozens of steroid pumping MMA fighters. That was not the case for most of human history. Saudi Arabia is somewhat unique as a large % of their GDP comes directly from the ground. They can afford to do a lot of inefficient and ineffective shit that other economies would get severely penalized for. Nevertheless as they modernize their economy so are they removing a lot of the old restrictions on women. Just…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 05:12 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic Think about how much sex High School students have (mostly with each other). In the past a large % of those copulations would produce offspring. Nowadays they use condoms. There is a large chunk of your fertility reduction right there. College students also fuck a tremendous amount. Also very frequently use contraception. All of those copulations previously could produce pregnancies. Yes but understanding natural roles goes A LONG WAY towards understanding dating dynamics. Which is why it is so …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 04:56 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic But why is that even worth saying? We're talking about people in the past. You want to go back in time and tell them not to oppress each other? Good luck with that. Being stronger makes it easier for you to oppress people. That is a very simple fact. We have no control over what people in the past did. So saying "well maybe they shouldn't be doing that" is completely useless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 04:33 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic Finally, groups of people fighting each other has nothing to do with a society subjugating half of its own population based on sex Subjugation and having clearly defined roles based on sex are very different things. Obviously humans are sexually dimorphic. Thus it makes sense to have different roles for each. Patriarchy is a natural order not a "subjugation".	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 04:31 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic It happened that way in every single society. Even when they were separated by oceans on different continents. Even when they had no contact with each other. So yeah you can pretend it could have happened otherwise. But in practice this is the natural order of things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 04:27 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic Fertility rates drop when access to contraceptives improves. We're still fucking just as much as we did back in the day. But it's producing far less pregnancies. If anything we may be fucking more. Yes it is the more "natural role". But it also evolved in a very different environment. Humans are just apes running around in a forest. Who happen to be living in mega advanced cities. We still behave as if we're back in the forest in many different ways.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 04:16 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic Patriarchy is just a natural result of sexual dimorphism. That would be a more correct way to frame it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 04:12 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic Hierarchies did exist, Are you serious? Everything in recorded history of pretty every much every tribe. Has very robust hierarchies. Often far more static than what we see today. Humans are naturally hierarchial. So are our primate cousins. The human hierarchies are often quite dynamic and very complex. More complex than other ape species. But to say that we didn't have hierarchies is just ahistorical mumbo jumbo.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 04:04 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic Again not at all. Just because males are stronger and more dominant by nature. Doesn't mean women don't want to make more $, have better more important positions, have higher social status and generally do more engaging tasks. The two are not mutually exclusive. Lebron James is genetically much better than me at basketball. Doesn't mean I don't play basketball or even work on my game.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 03:55 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic Not at all. Feminism sprung up when women finally started to enter the workplace and thus had some $ behind their voices. It was also quite pragmatic. As the more choices you give women in terms of profession. The more prosperous your economy becomes. One female surgeon produces more value than 100 simple male day laborers. Having women in higher positions is very beneficial for the economy. This is why despite horrific fertility rates nobody is seriously considering removing women from the work…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 03:50 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic This is just post-hoc rationalization based on nothing but the fact that history is a collection of sequential events. None of this was inevitable, it's just the way it happened. Men dominated society for nearly all of recorded history. For one very simple reason. Physical strength. Matriarchal societies were exceedingly rare. Just like the male lion tends to be the leader of the pack. And the female hyena for that matter (females are stronger than males in hyenas). Same goes for the human anima…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 03:44 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic Pre-agricultural societies were ruthlessly aggressive towards each other. Kind of like the chimp wars we see in the wild. They were also deeply hierarchical. The idea that they didn't have hierarchies is total nonsense. If anything they had way more hierarchies based on all sorts of religious and superstitious bullshit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 03:42 PM
–	Patriarchy is genetic Masculine traits being attractive is the key factor here. Obviously when you are more powerful it is easier for you to oppress people. Whether you do or do not is an entirely different matter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 03:34 PM
–	The common retort of “let women be delusional it only hurts them” is disingenuous and ignores the very real implications of hypergamy and inflated standards Assigning blame for people behaving how they are biologically programmed is fucking stupid. I see a lot of people merely attempting to understand why it is occuring. Without assigning blame to anyone. But yes I also see a lot of buffoons whinning about women this and women that. Never been on board with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 02:37 PM
–	The common retort of “let women be delusional it only hurts them” is disingenuous and ignores the very real implications of hypergamy and inflated standards A lot of it is we're no longer teaching people about human nature. We used to tell fat women. "If Chad gives you the time of day. It's probably because he is just horny and looking for a quick nutt. He's not going to date you". It's not always true. But more often then not. Because males are the one's with the dual mating strategy. 1) Fuck a lot 2) Invest in one and build a relationship with her. Both work for us. Now most of us will only "fuck a lot" with women we are attracted to. But some Cha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 03:08 AM
–	The common retort of “let women be delusional it only hurts them” is disingenuous and ignores the very real implications of hypergamy and inflated standards You're way overcomplicating it. In general people go for the best option available under the circumstances. You're just hyper fixating on the "under the circumstances" part. Yes if some 7/10 is saying "I can't wait to suck your dick all night long" and some 10/10 is saying "I can't wait to max out your credit card". You may just got home with the 7. She's still plenty attractive but also a lot more fun and useful to boot. That makes her the "best" option under the circumstances. Even if the 10/1…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 02:57 AM
–	The common retort of “let women be delusional it only hurts them” is disingenuous and ignores the very real implications of hypergamy and inflated standards What does "the best" even mean? Best looking? Smartest? Most fun? Whatever that "the best" means. That is what people tend to choose.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 02:39 AM
–	The common retort of “let women be delusional it only hurts them” is disingenuous and ignores the very real implications of hypergamy and inflated standards But neither is going to happen. Women are not going to stop fucking hotter guys. As long as they can. Guys are not going to stop using women for sex. As long as they can. It's just human nature. The only way to get in the way of that is to introduce draconian measures. Which I doubt anyone in this subreddit really wants.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 02:37 AM
3	What motivates you to be monogamous vs ENM? Humans tend to pair bond. Which involves jealousy and exclusivity. SOME PEOPLE are ok with their partners and themselves sleeping around. In swinger or "open" type relationships. In fact they even thrive under those circumstances. But most people will not and will hate that arrangement. It's just like some people are gay and like different things from you. Some people enjoy sleeping around and are fine with their partners doing the same. It feels very foreign to me and a lot of people I know. Bu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/25 09:20 PM
1	Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online dating Reply #2 Ahh ok I see what you mean by "preselection". Yes women tend to be a little bit more hive minded in their mate choices. This is likely due to women being more kin about being part of the "in group". Evolutionary speaking being part of the "out group" could spell death for a pregnant woman. Without support from neither the father or the community. It would be nearly impossible for her to give birth and care for the child in infancy. So yes they tend to care a lot more about what the rest…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/25 05:34 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women Or he was in college and constantly around women who attend college. Hardly a surprise he pairs up with someone who is in college.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/25 05:28 PM
1	Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online dating What does preselection mean within this context? Men share women "across time" all the time. If what you mean is you date some chick after she breaks up with her boyfriend. Very few men will not date an attractive woman if she happened to have a boyfriend before her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/25 05:27 PM
1	Where did the whole “women love bad boys” thing even come from? How true do you think it is? Deebo from Friday. Google it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/25 02:58 PM
13	Where did the whole “women love bad boys” thing even come from? How true do you think it is? It deals with the core tenet that On average males are attracted to physical appearance On average females are attracted to a combination of physical appearance, money and status. Those "bad boys" are often quite large and powerful. They command a lot of respect in their environment. They have "status" and if they are selling drugs or doing other crime might have more $ than a lot of the guys trying to holla at her. So it's not really surprising when looking at it from that angle. In certain env…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 10:00 PM
2	Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online dating unlike women being fine with sharing men. Most women are not fine with sharing men either. Not sure where you get that idea. If an average looking dude. Suddenly got transformed into a 10/10 Chad and had endless options. He would A) Fuck a bunch of attractive women. B) Marry one of the good ones Which incidentally is the dual mating strategy for a male. Most of us just never really get to do A because you need to be at least somewhat high value (or super low standards) to accomplish that. I imag…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 09:33 PM
2	Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online dating Yes I actually talked to a bunch of my wifes friends. The same story over and over. "I met some guys but everyone was so fucking weird and creepy". So they just stop using it. Some women enjoy it. A lot of them don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 07:12 PM
1	Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online dating I grew up in US. Culture only matters for the very religious kind over here. Otherwise most people are more or less the same culture.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 06:53 PM
23	Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online dating The proper advice to give men is "Try online dating. If it works great. If it doesn't just stop using it, it doesn't work for most guys you're not alone. Don't take the information to heart because most guys don't have any luck on those things. Even if they can find quality partners using other methods". Regarding WHY online dating sucks. The primary reason is... They are almost always sausage fests. So of course women will pick out the top guys. Men would do that too if they had such a vast arr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 06:21 PM
1	Nice Guys want shallow women because theyre the easiest to fuck. Otherwise, they wouldnt care assholes get these women. You just proved that ‘pair bonding’ was in fact bullshit. Not at all. If you are wanted by a lot of women. You have a much bigger pool of potential partners. You can find yourself a high quality woman to pair bond with. Not sure why that logic escapes you. They admitted it they thought “like” automatically meant “will instantly fuck”. I did a post on this. Maybe when they were children and their mama kept telling them that. Doesn't take long in the real world to figure out it was all a load of h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 06:01 PM
1	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? I suppose I did spend a lot of time around the lower class. But then again the middle and upper class people I knew also talked this way. They may been a little more coy about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 05:59 PM
1	Nice Guys want shallow women because theyre the easiest to fuck. Otherwise, they wouldnt care assholes get these women. Because they thought niceness made women horny. It was never about ‘pair bonding’. They just say that because they know how bad it looks to admit they want to be fuckboys. I don't think anyone ever actually believed that. The conversation usually goes something like this Redpiller: I can't get women. Bluepiller: Maybe you should try treating them like humans. Redpiller: Yeah because PrisonChad and Tyrone who has 5 different hotties waiting for them to get out of prison for the umpteenth time are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 05:49 PM
4	Nice Guys want shallow women because theyre the easiest to fuck. Otherwise, they wouldnt care assholes get these women. Why do they only notice attractive women with the assholes, then? They notice all attractive women... In certain contexts they may only mention those. Then why are guys here so angry at single moms….unless even the single moms said no and that hurts men’s pride to know even the ‘low class’ women have higher standards. Angry? Maybe more like judgmental towards them. They see it as a sign of poor decision making. Which may or may not always be appropriate. As I said, “ Thing is, these so called Ni…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 05:16 PM
8	Nice Guys want shallow women because theyre the easiest to fuck. Otherwise, they wouldnt care assholes get these women. What was that youtube short about? It was some super fat chick marrying a not quite as fat dude.... The hell that got to do with anything? Nice guys want attractive women. They don't give a fuck if they are shallow or not. None of that shit matters. The easiest women to fuck are drug addicts, desperate single mothers and crazy women. Because you have less competition there. As far as why men complain about attractive assholes getting women. They just see it as unfair. A lot of them probably real…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 04:52 PM
–	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? thick/curvy vs obese is quite a big distinction. The fatter you are the more sex appeal you lose. If some 8/10 chick starts to gain weight. She'll probably still look good for a while. So if you see a cute chick who is a bit on the overweight side. Chances are she would be even better looking if she lost weight. Which is usually the message anyway "if you're fat and having trouble dating, lose the weight".	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 01:21 PM
–	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? Except I have been in many different groups of men. We all talk this way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 01:20 PM
1	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? Probably still pretty small proportionally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 02:00 AM
–	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? Maybe in the black communities.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 01:52 AM
-5	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? I'm not angry at women. I am happily married with kids. I aim to be as close to the real world as possible. What you're saying is just idealized nonsense. How you wish things were. Not how they really are. I don't know what kind of guys you've been around. Who don't talk about women's asses and tits and what not. Granted I went to school in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Maybe you guys have all lost your testosterone due to video games and bating I dunno.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 12:59 AM
-1	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? Yes that is what I have observed. If you're a fat woman 90% of men won't even want to fuck you. And of the 10% that will only 2% will actually genuinely enjoy it. Not surprising that such a large % of fat women complain about their dating life. Hard to have a good dating life when most of the people you want have no earthly interest in you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 12:55 AM
-5	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? Actually, most guys aren't shitty people like that. The degrading way that you're talking about women here is a psychological defense mechanism and bonding activity engaged in by RedPill men, not something common to men generally: Have you ever had male friends? lol this is how we all talk Actually no in your very next way too long quote. They mention that guys do indeed talk this way. But yeah like I said in another reply. 8% of men will fuck fat women cause they are dumpster divers. 2% of men …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 12:50 AM
2	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? That's the same # I came up with. Except I drilled it down to 8% of them were dumpster divers (as in not really into them, but will take what they can get) and the other 2% legit chubby chasers. Fine if you want to be all semantic about it. There are things that a large % of people find attractive and things that a large % of people find disgusting. Sure there are odd balls in every category. The last thing you want to do is tell a fat woman (or man for that matter) that being fat is not a probl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 12:37 AM
3	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? In my experience the % of men who truly like fat women is quite small. Maybe as low as 2%. There is another 8% or so of men who will fuck and even sometimes date fat women. But they are just dumpster divers. They would much rather date more attractive women. However they are capable of getting their pecker hard for those most of us have no interest in. Though in my experience they treat those women like absolute shit because of how easy it is to replace them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 12:13 AM
2	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? There is a ton of commonality though. You show 1,000,000 guys a picture of Jessica Alba and Honey Boo Boos mother. I'd be surprised if 1000 pick Honey Boo Boos mother over Jessica Alba. Certain things are universally attractive. Certain things are universally disgusting. Sure there is variation. As with anything in life. But not really as much as a lot of people make it out to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 12:10 AM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women Way less women are interested in casual sex than men. Yes this is due to biologic differences between the sexes. Sex is far less of a liability for us if we choose a bad partner. Since we don't get pregnant. So a woman who also can't get her ideal 9/10, will also have to settle for a 5/10, but unlike you she will try to make sure that he fits her other LTR requirements as best as possible, in terms of character, values, humor, lifestyle compatibilities, and yes, socioeconomic factors. Right so w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/25 11:29 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women but also not even the hottest man on earth could make me want to have sex with him without knowing him at all. EXACTLY. This is why I keep saying men are different from women. We can know if we want to have sex with you without even seeing your face. A guy can see a chick walking on the beach with a g string and if the ass looks good. Unless the face is totally busted he's down. Doesn't know her name... hasn't even talked to her yet. This is very normal for guys. I'll respond to the other stuff …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/25 10:04 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women Women also get immediately attracted to hot people, and feel either an intrinsic want to bone them right then, or (depending on her personality) to get to know them well and if they like them, THEN bone them. I have no doubt that happens. But in my conversations with women I found it is far less frequent and far less pronounced for them. I would tell a girl "I can walk down a University road and literally see 50 different women I'd have no problem boning". And they would say while that can also …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/25 09:40 PM
1	Sex Isn’t Special—You Just Think It Is Who cares about our judgement of it. Obviously I don't think pedophilia or incest are good for society. It's not about judgement. It's about understanding our nature. Once you have a clear picture of what a human being really is. You can make better choices especially when it comes to laws and customs. If we tried to pretend that humans are perfect little angels and we don't need police and prisons. We'd find ourselves living in a miserable crime infested shithole. Because as it turns out humans…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/25 06:54 PM
1	Sex Isn’t Special—You Just Think It Is Humans pair bond https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_bond Shit you shouldn't even need a wiki article for that. Just look around at all the couples all over the place. It's not an "opinion" it's human psychology. We're talking specifically about sexual intimacy. The type you can't get from your friends or relatives. It's like telling someone who is hungry to fill their needs by playing video games. Completely different needs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/25 01:26 PM
0	Sex Isn’t Special—You Just Think It Is That's only because you're interpreting it incorrectly. I can stick a person in solitary confinement. They will survive just fine. But live miserable lives and develop serious psychological issues. Noone actually wants to live like that. Sex and more importantly pair bonding with intimacy. Work exactly the same way. You won't die. But you'll suffer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/25 12:43 PM
0	Sex Isn’t Special—You Just Think It Is No its not a "subjective opinion". It's psychology. Simple human psychology. The fact that you are not bothered by it. Doesn't mean the average person is not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/25 09:01 PM
0	Sex Isn’t Special—You Just Think It Is You probably either have a very low sex drive or are asexual. Also these are statements about average people. I'm sure there are people who would be perfectly happy living in solitary confinement as well. But those are outliers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/25 08:49 PM
0	Sex Isn’t Special—You Just Think It Is Yes I agree. It's the pair bonding that we really need. But to say it's no big deal and you can live just fine without it. Is just plain wrong. The argument isn't that you will die without it. It's that as long as you don't have it you will seek and crave it. The same way we seek and crave food.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/25 05:35 PM
4	Sex Isn’t Special—You Just Think It Is Yes. But all animals place a ton of emphasis on it. We're no different. Both physically and psychologically. The biggest difference between us and them is that we're good at post-hoc rationalizing our behavior. We don't like thinking that we're doing everything instinctually. Even though sexuality is VERY VERY instinctual.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/25 05:16 PM
2	Sex Isn’t Special—You Just Think It Is Try not eating for a few days. See how well your "higher mental capacity" handles the hunger pangs. You are an animal. Whether you like it or not. We're slightly smarter than our primate cousins. That is all. Do we not have those things now? I was explaining why it was very pragmatic to be prude. People 200+ years ago liked fucking just as much as we did. But allowing a free fuck fest would be catastrophic. They did that shit despite fertility issues being a top concern in many generations.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/25 05:14 PM
3	Sex Isn’t Special—You Just Think It Is The brain perceives it as a need. Doesn't matter if it will kill you or not. If you don't have it. It will make you feel like shit. A good example is people who get stuck in deserted islands or get stuck in solitary confinement for a long time. They always have major psychiatric issues. Yes technically you can survive like that. But nobody would want to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/25 05:09 PM
19	Sex Isn’t Special—You Just Think It Is It only holds as much value as people choose to give it Nonsense. We are mammals. Animals. Every creature assigns great value to sex. For an obvious reason. Without that the species goes extinct. Try not eating for 2 days. See how much of a choice your hunger pangs are. Lack of pair bonding and sexual intimacy works the same way just with a different timeline. And let’s be real—sex isn’t even a moral issue. Unlike theft, murder, or assault, it doesn’t inherently harm anyone. People attach meanin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/25 03:09 PM
1	Q4M: How would you price this bangmaid subscription service? You can't remove that from the equation. You can look at current prices. But they come from a place of a lot of artificial scarcity. As of right now you can easily charge $1000-3000 for a service like this. But if you removed the artificial scarcity it may be as low as $500-1000.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/25 01:51 AM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women It's just psychology. There's a whole wing of science dedicated to it. Whether we like to admit it or not. There is a ton of commonality in our behavior. And it is genetically wired in many cases. Men have dual mating strategy 1) fuck fuck fuck fuck. peace out. Impregnate a bunch of women. Maybe settle down with one of them maybe none. 2) Settle down with one and sire several children together. To answer your question. There is probably 3) rape Yes it probably is wired into men. Yes it absolutel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/25 12:21 AM
1	Q4M: How would you price this bangmaid subscription service? That's the nature of dating. Some people get fucked over. Happens to both males and females. Most people go through life having done both at some point. Fuck someone over and get fucked over by someone else. Only the lucky few who met their wife/husband in high school or early in college or some shit. Don't suffer through all that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/25 12:07 AM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women Also “biological wiring” is such a shit argument imo Do you believe humans don't have instinctual behavior? Especially when it comes to something as basal as sexuality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 11:47 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women I went to University for 2 years. It wasn't that different from High School. Just memorize, regurgitate and forget. The only difference between that and high school was that the volume of shit you had to memorize was significantly higher. I heard it gets better for many degrees once you get to 3rd year. But I never got that far. Still though. Just being able to memorize shit doesn't automatically mean you're "smarter". Being able to use that information in a productive manner is far more importa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 09:42 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women Reply #2 Let me explain it to you a little better. Say some chick makes $100,000 a year and simply can't date anyone who doesn't make at least $80,000. She now has a small dating pool of men who make $80,000 or more. But those are the type of guys that all women want to date. Meanwhile those guys will happily date anyone at any income level. Because how much $ you make is practically irrelevant to us. So you have way more competition for a much smaller pool of men. Yes some women do just fine wi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 09:38 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women So if you're a female making $100,000 a year and due to how you're biologically wired you can't date someone who makes less than $80,000 a year. Unless they are very physically attractive. That significantly lowers the amount of men you can date. Are you saying all men who make less $80,000 are "shitty dudes"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 09:36 PM
4	Q4M: How would you price this bangmaid subscription service? I imagine a lot of it has to do with how the marriage is arranged. Often the parents do the arranging and they don't exactly want you to marry some sack of shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 09:35 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women I did say somewhere "unless she's fucking crazy" in one of my original posts. No we're not the same. Males and females are quite different. It's actually very important to understand that. In order to understand the dating dynamics and why certain people do so much better than others. Thinking that we're the same is what leads a lot of people astray. Males: (on average) Primarily attracted to physical appearance Females: (on average) Primarily attracted to physical appearance, money and status. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 09:32 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women It is for men. We don't want to date people we're not physically attracted to from the get.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 09:19 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women It's a disadvantage when it limits your dating pool. It didn't limit yours.... great. That doesn't mean it's not the case for many other women. They are literally pricing themselves out of the dating market.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 09:09 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women Yes I get that. And that's usually some good looking dude. That's kind of the difference. Men don't really get turned on for things other than physical appearance. Women do. If some meh chick has a degree and makes a lot of $. That's not going to make me think "maybe I should date her". She's still meh.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 09:08 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women Women are a little different. Women do get horny. Quite a lot. But it's often for their BOYFRIEND. Yes money alone is not going to make you hot. Trying a bunch of $100 to your ass like some peacock. Isn't going to make you more attractive. But having more money and status DOES MAKE YOU MORE APPEALING as boyfriend material. So indirectly it does work that way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 08:55 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women Until you're old and have nothing to show for your life. No kids and no husband. It's not a coincidence that we're seeing a massive rise in things like depression, anxiety, drug use as we're seeing a massive rise in singledom. People generate their meaning in life from their family. THEIR OWN FAMILY. Not from fucking clocking in at 8am and grinding till 5pm. Most people would skip that shit if they could.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 08:27 PM
2	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women I never said it doesn't happen. If she's a larger woman perhaps he was much better looking than her. Fat women have very low broad appeal. Yes that's what I meant by "understand consciously". Those are all things to consider once you're already attracted to a person. It plays no role on whether you find them attractive though. And since most guys don't really have a ton of attractive options. Those things tend to be ignored (perhaps foolishly).	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 06:25 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women Well... yes I can see how it may come across like that. But there's a point to my rude tone. Guys have balls. We behave differently because we have testosterone. It almost feels like people on reddit pretend like men have stopped having testosterone and now behave like chicks. Maybe some do. But I imagine the average guy is still behaving like a guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 06:03 PM
2	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women They go hand in hand. Men want to date women who give them boners. A woman with high socieconomic status who doesn't give you a boner. May as well be a dude in that frame.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 06:01 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women The point I am making is that we don't need socieconomic status information to feel an attraction. Yes if you're a really good looking guy. Plenty of women will feel an attraction towards you regardless of whether you're a surgeon or a fry cook. But most men can significantly improve their "likeability" by having more money/status than the woman. With women. Having more money/status has almost no effect. In some ways it can actually work against a woman because once she is making $100,000 a year…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 05:56 PM
4	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women I mean if she's a 10/10.... Unless she's fucking insane or has some serious psycho baby daddy issues. Yeah most guys would probably wife her. We're talking 10/10 though. That's a very rare and extremely appealing kind of person. The better looking you are the more you get away with. The real difference is.... Males are not going to add her socieconomic status in that 10/10 5/10 or whatever/10 evaluation. It's not what turns us on. UNLIKE women. Who do figure in that information. Her socieconomic…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 05:50 PM
-3	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women I mean seriously. You've never sat at a bar on some beach. With a group of guys drinking. Some hot chick walks but and you all oogle her. That's never happened to you? You guys ask her what her socieconomic status was before you oogle her? Or are you males with fucking BALLS and thus could give 2 shits about that extraneous unnecessary information.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 05:39 PM
-1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women This isn’t based on anything. At best, it’s hyperbole. In reality, you don’t know anything about me or the next man to say what we will or won’t do in this case. I've had plenty of male friends. Can't think of one that would remotely give a shit. We'd all want to tap that. You see some hot latina on the strip in Miami beach. I'm not asking her for her income for my pecker to want to bone her. A 10/10 Latina in the hood, while admittedly no less physically attractive, is not a viable option. Only…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 05:30 PM
3	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women Think about what you're saying. He was dating some lower class chick. Someone he liked. Someone he was attracted to. And it took the force of a patriarch to get him to leave her. Which he had to comply with because chances are his inheritance was on the line. This does more to prove that MEN DO NOT GIVE A SHIT. His dad gave a shit. But his dad is not the one fucking her. It's not that different from some mother not wanting her daughter to date some Chad thug. Even if he is good looking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 05:19 PM
-1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women Actually you can find plenty of educated women who's IQ is in the mid 90s. Because our curriculums have been getting watered down with every generation. And plenty of 110+ IQ women without any education whatsoever. Just cause they never bothered with that shit. Yes on average the educated girl will have a higher IQ. But by far not always. Just cause someone memorized a bunch of bullshit and regurgitated it on some test 500 times. Doesn't mean they are automatically "better at conversation".	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 05:16 PM
1	Men don't care much about women's socioeconomic status, though if given the option may even make the effort to go for lower socioeconomic women We’re actively avoiding dating down by going out of our way to ensure proximity to women who are similar to us. It's not how male attraction switches work. If you go to the hood and see a banging latina woman 10/10. Unless she behaves mentally handicapped. You're not going to give a fuck that she is poor. That's not going to somehow make her less attractive. Males really don't care that much about socieoconomic status in what turns us on. We understand consciously that a woman that makes more $ …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 05:07 PM
3	Q4M: How would you price this bangmaid subscription service? The big question is... is it legal? Because that is a major reason why escort services are as insanely priced as they are. They are extremely scarce due to the law enforcement factor. Even in places like Nevada where it is legal in some counties. The prices are jacked way up because people come from all over to generate demand for the service.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 04:54 PM
13	Q4M: How would you price this bangmaid subscription service? Yeah but it's hollow as fuck. What you guys call "beta bux" is just how average men have been pairing up for 1000s of years. They end up in a pair bonded couple often with the same level of intimacy and bond that you would get if you were some good looking guy who instantly sweeped her off her feet. The only difference is the beginning of the relationship. A prostitute can not replace a pair bonded relationship. You'll never spend all your time with her. You will never have children with her. It…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/25 04:53 PM
7	Fix for dating and loneliness lies in valuing happy singledom (mostly for men) Oh brother. You can technically learn to live life without electricity, plumbing, internet or quality housing. Under a bridge somewhere. But nobody wants to live like that. There are 2 types of guys 1) Ones that are perfectly fine being alone 2) Guys who need a pair bonding relationship to fill fulfilled And it's innate not learned. #1 you're never going to hear from them. Cause they probably don't give a shit anyway. #2 your advice is completely useless to them. Cause its no different than tell…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/25 02:29 PM
8	You Can Never Trust a Woman Who Doesn't Have Intense Lust for You Nearly Immediately Not quite. A better way to think about it is "men are mostly attracted to physical appearance while women are more into the package as a whole". Which is why you get so much confusion with fat women talking about "I got a law degree and I'm funny" and blah blah. And men wonder why that information is even relevant. Because men don't evaluate on shit like that and women do. The reason happens due to biology. Females always get pregnant. So they always know who the parent is and in most cases get …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 09:42 PM
2	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb At the end of the day. I spent I dunno between 12 and 35 years old adhering to the "nurture side of things" ideas about dating. And it was FUCKING USELESS. Around 36 years old I started to look at things from a more nature perspective. And it made so much more sense right away. What you actually need to do and why was far clearer. The nurture explanations are just not that useful. That's all it is. I'm married with kids. All this shit is behind me. Even if someone convinced me of something it wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 06:35 PM
10	You Can Never Trust a Woman Who Doesn't Have Intense Lust for You Nearly Immediately Males and females are fundamentally different in that regard. Males can literally just look at a woman without knowing anything about her and know if they want to fuck her. For a woman to look at a guy the same way he better be damn good looking. Otherwise she will want to know more about him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 05:58 PM
26	You Can Never Trust a Woman Who Doesn't Have Intense Lust for You Nearly Immediately This is akin to saying. "If they don't offer you $500,000 remote work at home during whatever hours you want". Dump that job and immediately look for another. That is great and all. If you can manage to find a $500k a year remote job that doesn't micromanage your hours. That is fantastic. But it's not reality for most humans. Finding some woman who is instantly lusting for you and also happens to be a good potential life partner for you. Is not very common for men either. People following your a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 05:25 PM
1	The Age Gap "Issue" Is a Modern Invention I imagine even back then people were disgusted by that practice. It's not even practical. A female that is not fully mature is far more likely to have a miscarriage or have other complications during child birth. Have problems carrying the baby. And obviously is kind of too young to be a parent. However if she's 18-20+. None of those things really apply. Early 20s is probably the best time to have children. Biologically anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 04:06 PM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Do you think women did not help each other to feed their children. Never said they didn't.... What I did say and will continue to say is that humans have different SEX ROLES because human females tend to take care of the young. None of that contends it in any manner. First of all I find it highly unlikely that they did hard labor for 40-80 hours a week while carrying a newborn on their tit. But even if they did. It really doesn't change anything. You still have sex roles. The guys are not wearin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 01:26 PM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb I like mixed women. Hair color doesn't really matter. Though I like curly hair the most. Foot size... never noticed. Body type.... really as long as she has a pretty face doesn't really matter as much. Those the women with the prettiest faces tend to be the fittest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 01:57 AM
0	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Teachers mostly. In high school it was quite common for teachers to try to explain to us why "we shouldn't judge a book by its covers". And all that mess. There was a ton of literature that we had to read. That had this theme. They really did try to instill this in us. But it was completely useless. Humans are vain creatures and no amount of brainwashing however subtle is ever going to change that. Parents try to do it too. But I think my parents were too smart to put a lot of effort into someth…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 01:41 AM
-1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Yes I get that. We see people preferring those with shared genetics all over the place. Whether it's parents and their kids. Brothers and sisters. Aunts and uncles. Humans in general tend to prefer those who they share their DNA with. Even our own ethnicity to some degree. Probably due to the reason you just described. My nephew may not be my child but genetically he is much closer to me than some random kid. That doesn't dispute the fact that humans Pair bond as a default Males are very hyper v…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 01:39 AM
3	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Are we talking about off the wall Amazon tribes here? Or actual large civilizations? Because yes if you look at a bunch of strange tribes. You'll see all sorts of weird behavior. That may very well be genetic in nature and just different from us. Has there ever been a large civilization where men were a bunch of happy cucks who didn't care if they were raising children that were not theirs? I seriously doubt it. It wouldn't take many men who don't function that way to weed a large % of the cucks…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 01:36 AM
-2	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Neither feminism nor the sexual revolution changed biology, but they did change behavior. You're missing a key component. The environment has massively changed. For most of human history men were the one's gathering the most resources and controlling the most resources. It was unusual for men and women to hold the same exact social status and command the same amount of resources. In reality we have not changed that much. Our environment changed very fast. Second, you're still going with this inc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 01:17 AM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb I never argue that it's 100% nature. Clearly nurture plays a role. But I don't think it's a tit for tat. I actually believe it's more of a ying yang relationship. Meaning our culture is impacted by our nature. Our nature is impacted by our culture. You really can't separate the two as neatly as people think. Nevertheless the important factor is that sexuality and sexual selection process is at least partially nature. Maybe 50%, maybe 70% who knows. But it's certainly a big aspect of it. It doesn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 12:51 AM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb The methology he was talking about is looking at figurines that a small # of people made for any number of reasons. And trying to deduce based on that what the average guy of that era preferred as a sexual partner. Which is why I brought up the 1990s skeleton models when you said that. Even our "super models" were not a particularly good example of what real men actually found attractive. And if that's not a good sign. How can you trust a bunch of random ass figurines?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 12:36 AM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Baby wearing because you need to get from point A to point B is quite different from baby wearing 50-80 hours a week while you plow the fields. I hope you see the difference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 12:31 AM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Yes me and you just said the same thing. I didn't see this comment till now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 12:30 AM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Nuclear family = married family Marriage is a fairly recent phenomenon. Where they codified pair bonding into law. Pair bonding meanwhile is an ancient practice. That likely predates humans. There's nothing about pair bonding that says your grand parents can't live with you and help raise the kids. Or that several generations can't live in the same household all helping each other out. But they are not all pair bonded with each other. It's extremely unusual for the brothers wife to be sleeping w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 12:28 AM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Ok but ever since we’ve evolved into agrarian societies who no longer have to be nomadic, it’s no longer true that starvation is the only thing on people’s minds. But evolution is slow as fuck. Most of our sexual instincts evolved way before all of that. If you really think about it. The way humans behave really doesn't make any sense in our environment. We're way too aggressive. Way too petty. Way too judgemental. Care way too much what others think. Put way too much emphasis on useless traits …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 12:26 AM
-1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb our genes don't care about whether you, individually reproduce - it's enough that any carrier of the genes reproduces. Then we wouldn't see things like mate guarding and the cinderella effect. Clearly our males are very keen on reproducing with their own DNA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_guarding_in_humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_effect It's also very easy to understand why that occurs. Any man that wasn't keen on this. Would get weeded out of the gene pool mighty quick by…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 12:19 AM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Families structures weren’t nuclear and the children were also looked after by other members of the family. A nuclear family is just mother and father as the PRIMARY care giver. Doesn't mean you don't have aunts, uncles and grand parents helping. Marriage is us codifying pair bonding into law. Marriage is a fairly recent institution. Pair bonding is older than humans. In fact we see pair bonding in 1000s of other species. No the mothers didn't "baby wear" by default. They would sit with the kids…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 12:13 AM
-1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Look at most female kpop stars for example. They’re notorious for having raging eating disorders, and they are thirsted after by lots of men online. I haven't seen any anorexic ones. They tend to have pretty faces. Koreans in general tend to be slimmer as an ethnicity. Yes humans tend to be naturally lazy. BUT only when they are not fucking hungry. And our ancestors spent a large portion of their life hungry. Starvation was the far more common affliction. I bet for every person that died from so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 12:10 AM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Obesity was not valued. Our bodies are not really meant to be obese. Only reason so many of us are obese nowadays is because food is hyper abundant and you don't need to lift a finger to get it. I don't know why people have these strange beliefs that our ancestors were all chubby chasers. Why would it have changed now? Good lord how much time they spent trying to convince us to like non fit women when I was growing up. A lot of good it did. They didn't have to work very hard to make us like fit …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 12:07 AM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Are you seriously unaware that for a long time in a lot of places in the world it is/was seen as more attractive for people to be overweight? No that's some weird thing that leftists try to push. That's not how the real world works. Just like in the 1990s. When they had all these skeleton looking like they just crawled out of Auschwitz "super models" walking down the catwalk. Supposedly the most attractive women alive. Me and the boys were not lamenting that more girls in our school were bolemic…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 11:59 PM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb OMG. Yes some of them would wear the babies. But that was not a very safe practice and our ancestors were not total regards. They only did that if it was absolutely necessary in times of strife. And that still doesn't dispute the original contention. That females were the nurturers. That their primary role was to take care of the young.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 11:55 PM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb A singular buck deer will get you about 50k calories That you will share with a bunch of people. Otherwise it will rot in a few days cause you don't have refrigeration. Or you eat when food is available in the summer because you have no means of preserving it without access to salt and other preservatives. You then gain fat to survive during the longer, colder winters. You're thinking slightly chubby. Maybe 15-20% body fat. Not fucking obese. Most people don't lose their sex appeal that much whe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 11:53 PM
2	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb But if you go back in history women weren’t housewives or homemakers. I think for some reason you're super set on women not being seen as housewives. But obviously before we had the technology to be safe and fed all the time. People had different family structures. HOWEVER. Taking care of the babies was clearly a female task. Simply because males were not tied to the babies with the breast milk. Because males did not get pregnant. We also see the more gentle nature of females. That too is due to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 11:49 PM
0	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb I used to make a lot of round figurines when I was a kid. I never liked fat women. Just the easiest thing to draw. More than likely the same thing. Having a ton of extra fat means "BAD PARTNER" in prehistoric terms. Think about it. People are constantly running around doing shit. The only way you can accumulate so much fat is if you're absurdly lazy or dim witted. Calories were very scarce. They didn't have a Publix next door where you can buy 10,000 calories for $5 in a box of Oreos. 10,000 cal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 11:41 PM
0	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Why does that matter? You can't leave the babies alone for too long. That's the reason for sexual dimorphism. Someone had to take care of the kids. That is why females tend to be far more nurturing and more empathetic. You need that when raising the children. I don't know why people are so offended and against this commonly known fact. It's a great thing. Mothers are fucking awesome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 11:36 PM
0	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb You're too fixated on Industrial revolution. Most of our evolution happened way before that. I asked WHY do you think men are built differently. Nature doesn't do anything by accident. If it benefitted our species to have males and females be identical strength. They would be. Through pure natural selection. Evolutionary science has some very simple and practical explanations. Let's hear yours.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 11:31 PM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb No they weren't doing the same. Women typically did not fight wars. Women were not doing the super hard labor. Women were not fighting for dominance. Why do you think males are so much stronger, faster, more endurant and generally tougher than females? What do you think is the biologic reason for this? Do you really think the massive amount of time a female would spend pregnant and nursing the babies didn't make a difference? That the massive sexual dimorphism just happened randomly for our spec…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 11:08 PM
2	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Shit if you think about it. This environment favors those who prefer fat partners. Which is a very tiny % of the population. If we lived in this same exact environment for 10,000-50,000 years. Most people would be chubby chasers. (which obviously won't happen because our environment will change a lot in the next 10,000 years) The fact that despite a large % of people being fat asses we still prefer fit partners. Should tell you a thing or two about how quickly evolution really moves when it come…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 11:02 PM
2	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Point one out. The only thing I saw is that "not all men are hyper aggressive" which is definitely true. The majority of people in prison are male. Hyper aggressive males are far more common than hyper aggressive females. But they are still a minority in any case. Most males are not that dangerous if you don't seek a confrontation with them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 11:00 PM
0	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb What part are you trying to argue? Of course women tended the house. Women produce children. We didn't have formula for 99.9999% of human existence. That means you better feed your baby from your breast or it's going to die. Women also are the only one's that get pregnant. Which means you really can't have them doing any hard labor for at least 3-6 months and then 6-12 months after the baby is born. And most women had 5+ children because so many of them didn't make it to adulthood. Of course hum…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 10:55 PM
0	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb What moron would try to say that? Of course human males are significantly more aggressive. I've never seen anyone claim something that stupid.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 10:50 PM
1	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Evolutionary biology tends to be far more useful than the "it's all random as hell" or "it's all societal" explanations. A simple point to consider is this. They spent oodles of time trying to convince us not to judge potential partners based on looks during high school. And yet we all still did anyway. All the social pressure in the world doesn't mean shit if they are trying to make you do something that is not already in your nature. Yet nobody had to convince us to like pretty fit women. They…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 10:49 PM
2	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb No. In reality what is "strong" is highly contextual. If you're around the black plague. You can be the best fighter on the planet. If you don't have an immune system that is capable of dealing with the plague. You will die and the dweeb who's ass you could effortlessly kick. If he has the immune system he will live.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 10:46 PM
2	Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumb Polyamory more than likely involved several women and one man. But that was really only a small % of high status men that behaved that way. Evolutionary one man many women is fine. Because everybody knows who the parents are in this setup. Evolutionary one woman and many men wouldn't make any sense. Because most men would be wasting their energy raising someone else's DNA and getting weeded out of the gene pool in the process. Not typical human behavior. Many women and many men also wouldn't mak…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 10:44 PM
1	Can the illiterate be sexy? Part 2 It's like trying to convince children to prefer broccoli over chocolate. Or doing homework over playing video games. You can make all the rational and logical arguments for why broccoli and homework is better for you. But at the end of the day you are dealing with humans. Nobody is arguing that what you're saying is logically wrong. Yes men should not entertain any attractive coochie. Just because it's so hard to find. But they very often do. And nothing is going to change that. No amount of sha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 03:25 AM
–	The majority of women will never change for a man That's such a silly statement people make. The reason you feel good when you look good is evolutionary. Women who look good have higher social status and can attract higher quality partners. That is why looking good releases feel good chemicals in your brain. So while you're think you're "doing it for you". You're actually doing it for everyone else. There's nothing wrong with that either. Everyone does this not just women. Men are just less likely to believe these silly sound bites.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 09:50 PM
–	The majority of women will never change for a man Depending on how attractive she is. May be worth significantly more than diamonds.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 09:49 PM
–	The majority of women will never change for a man I used to believe that too. Till I saw how much time and energy my wife spends on her appearance. She spends $100s of on fucking lotions, hair products, manicures, pedicures. And yes while really most men could give a shit what your nails look like. The overall obsession with appearance is important. Because it's how you stay attractive. So I don't think it's accurate that a woman doesn't have to do shit. A very attractive woman who was born with elite genes can probably show up in pijamas with …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 09:39 PM
2	Can the illiterate be sexy? Part 2 Because it's about being realistic not idealistic. In an ideal world men would have self respect and blah blah. But in the real world this is how they ACTUALLY tend to behave. And it's not changing anytime soon since sexuality is very instinctual at the base. You'd need to genetically engineer a whole new breed of men for them to behave differently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 09:02 PM
3	Can the illiterate be sexy? Part 2 Those are all very different though. That will have very different answers. If she's mentally handicapped. I think most guys would stop short of having a relationship with someone like that. Simply because you don't want your kids to be like that. It's an innate biologic ick. But if she just speaks another language or nobody ever taught her... A lot of guys won't care.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 07:58 PM
0	Can the illiterate be sexy? Part 2 Of course not. But realistically speaking. If you're lonely and single. And someone attractive is into you. You're probably going to give them the time of day. Even if they suck as a person. Even if you don't have shit in common and generally don't have much of a future together. It's still better than being alone. Or at least that's the perception. In reality you're probably better alone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 07:56 PM
3	Can the illiterate be sexy? Part 2 I imagine a large % of men would still have a relationship with her. Just cause of how hot she is. It also depends on why she is illiterate. Is she mentally handicapped or no one ever taught her? Those are very different things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 07:01 PM
2	Can the illiterate be sexy? Part 2 Like I said. Getting an attractive woman into you may be a once in a year type of deal for a lot of guys. Sure they can keep looking. But chances are they are going to be dealing with scarcity for weeks or months. May as well try to make it work with the one you got in front of you. It's just like looking for a job in a saturated market. You can always keep looking. But at some point you have to take what is given and realize that may be all you're worth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 06:58 PM
1	Can the illiterate be sexy? Part 2 By brain rot you mean accurate information? There's usually a caveat though. "WHOEVER WILL HAVE THEM THAT IS ATTRACTIVE". Most men can have endless opportunities with whales and other undesirable women. What they mean when they say "we only ever get a few options" is that there's only ever a small # of attractive women willing to entertain them. But it's not like attraction is a choice. You can't make yourself attracted to unattractive people. SO it still tends to be fairly accurate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 06:52 PM
6	Can the illiterate be sexy? Part 2 The all important question. How hot is she? The hotter she is the more people will let her get away with. It's proportional in that manner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 06:46 PM
0	Question about old men who think they have a chance with young women I wish I could convert every male I talk to. This information is practically useless to a female. But can be extremely useful and beneficial for a male.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/25 02:09 AM
0	Question about old men who think they have a chance with young women Shit I used to believe all the stuff you believe. Then I went to Kyiv Ukraine for 2 weeks. Realized the follies of my ways. I was dead wrong about all this money and status thing. I used to believe it was only hookers and "sugar babies" who were after those kind of guys. The thing is I had women from all walks of life interested in dating me. Women who made more $ than me, women who were more educated than me. Very far from your typical prostitute type. It finally dawned on me that males and fem…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/25 01:57 AM
0	Question about old men who think they have a chance with young women Ugly no....... But most men are not ugly. Most men are just average. And for an average dude having high money/status can mean the world of a difference. Between fighting for trashy scraps and being able to date much better looking women. No money in itself does not turn women on. But you know what does turn women on? Their boyfriend. Women get horny for their boyfriend. You know what can make you a much more attractive long term partner? Having money and status. Which is why passport bro works …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/25 01:48 AM
-1	Question about old men who think they have a chance with young women Women being attracted to older men is significantly more common than men being attracted to older women. For obvious biologic reasons. Now I agree that in most cases the age difference is really 5-10 years. Not 20+. That's not very common. Though it does happen. I mean after all if there are dudes out there attracted to other dudes and vice versa. Women being attracted to much older guys is a much smaller jump in strangeness factor. It sounds like your friends are just prostitutes. Hopefully tho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/25 01:34 AM
2	Question about old men who think they have a chance with young women Sure some are just "sugar babies" which is another term for prostitute. You can't really expect to have a real relationship with one of those creatures. If you're realistic about what you're getting and doing it's not a problem. But those are not the only type of women who will get into relationships with guys who have higher money and status. Regular women get into REAL RELATIONSHIPS (not prostitution) on those merits all the time. And genuinely love and pair bond with the dudes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/25 01:05 AM
0	Question about old men who think they have a chance with young women She's the one who is going to catch his ire eventually. She's the one playing the stupid game. You don't have to like it or agree with it. The world is what it is whether we want it to be that way or not. There's evidence all over the planet that your wealth and status plays a significantly bigger role in a males sexual value versus a woman's. For obvious biologic reasons. A human female gets pregnant. She is going to get stuck with the child. It makes sense to weigh subconsciously the resourcef…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/25 01:01 AM
2	Question about old men who think they have a chance with young women She is young and pretty and she is an exceptional hairstylist. She is from a different country. She told me she is repulsed by her husband. She is having an affair with a young stud 2 years younger than herself. She is a piece of shit and I hope she gets deported once her husband catches her. Your entire argument pretty much rests on "any woman who marries a guy richer or higher status than her is an evil piece of useless shit". Which is not true. Yes sure some of them are like that. But by far …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/25 12:46 AM
1	Self improvement leads to resentment The urges are always there. Whether you can control them or not doesn't always translate into dating success. Plenty of men have no problem controlling them and still eat shit in the dating market.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 10:31 PM
0	Self improvement leads to resentment The biological predetermination is being obsessed with sex and procreation. You don't need to open your eyes very wide to see it all over the place. From movies to music to strip clubs to fashion. Humans are very obsessed with it. Especially our men. We had to be. Our species would have died out a long time ago if we weren't so sex obsessed. So you're sitting there calling a bunch of men. For behaving exactly the way they are supposed to behave. Seems just silly. For what it's worth when men com…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 06:50 PM
9	Self improvement leads to resentment So most men are pathetic.... great. You have given a derogatory label to a large group of people for behaving exactly how their biology has designed them to behave. What do you think you will accomplish doing that? Do you think you can shame them into genetically engineering a different way to interpret and experience the universe?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 06:37 PM
13	Self improvement leads to resentment Men could theoretically stop eating at an instant.... but they won't. So its a totally pointless statement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 06:34 PM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society I don't know why you're asking about sperm again. Already answered see above. How do you convince or coerce? You wait till she gets horny is the answer. If she never gets horny with you. Go find another one. You're the one whos saying a woman has to be very smitten by a guys appearance in order to want to get in bed with him. Though there is a mountain of evidence otherwise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 10:39 PM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society No of course not. If a woman pair bonds with you. You will turn her on. You don't necessarily have to be super good looking to a woman for her to want to pair bond with you. Your money and status can be enough to make you a satisfactory partner. Pair bonding usually takes time. It's not some one size fits all. People pair up all sorts of different ways. You're the one saying a woman has to be 100% physically attracted to you to pair bond with you. I'm saying that's not necessarily the case. In f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 03:09 AM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society You just think that money somehow makes a woman wet and horny, and that's the most absurd claim it's embarrassing. I've repeatedly corrected that claim. What makes women horny is their boyfriend. Not money. What money/status can do for you is make you an appealing prospect to be that boyfriend. You still need some other qualities though. You can't be completely socially inept. So while money doesn't directly turn women on. It can put you in a position where you are in a relationship with a woman…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 02:35 AM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society It matters because this red pill myth is hurting men who believe a woman will be all over them sexually and will develop sexual attraction because of money. Which is objectively true. There's a reason why men love to go overseas to find romance. Because money and status makes a big difference. And a reason why women don't do the same. Because money and status doesn't make women more attractive the way it can men. Ask yourself it it's just about having resources. Why wouldn't women also passport …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 02:29 AM
2	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society "Take care of finances" means bring home the bacon. As in be the breadwinner of the house. Not necessarily the accountant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 02:12 AM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society but even the most elementary experience with women and basic familiarity with biology and evolution demonstrates the polar opposite of your claims. Nonsense. You shouldn't use the words biology and evolution. Those are not your friends in this argument. The reason females care about money and status is BECAUSE of evolution and biology. They are the weaker sex. They always get stuck with the baby. The man can always bounce after nutting and by the time the baby pops he can be on a different conti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 02:07 AM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society If you really believed that, you'd see evidence of this currently. But you don't. Women are choosing to remain single rather than settle. Women are willing to hold out for a man they are attracted to. What do you mean? We see evidence of this all over the planet. Go to any place where wealthy men bring their wives. Notice how many of them are much younger and better looking than them. You will observe this on any part of the planet. Regardless of culture or religion. We see it everywhere. You're…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 01:42 AM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society Disgust is one thing. I'm always careful to say "average looking". Meaning not good looking enough to get her on looks alone. But not disgusting either. We're not talking about some fat neckbeard type dude. Most guys are neither ugly or attractive. Just like a lot of women. Out of your 4 relationships. You never became more physically attracted to your partner as time went along? As you guys had more sex? Spent more time together? Got to know each other better? Deepened the bond and because atta…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 01:33 AM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society Have you ever been in a long term relationship?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 01:18 AM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society It's well documented. Shit they even have a name for it "wife goggles". You remind me of that meme. "Everyone else is wrong and I'm right". https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10295201/	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 01:06 AM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society Yes if a guy is sufficiently attractive. Money and status doesn't matter. Just like if you have enough money and status your looks don't matter as much. No woman wants to be sentenced to a life of unsatisfying sex with a man she isn't sexually attracted to. But they are attracted to their boyfriend. It's called emotional attraction. Once you pair bond with someone they become more attractive to you. Like I said money doesn't directly turn women on. But money can make you a very appealing option …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 12:58 AM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society Yeah yeah. We've been over this already dude. Money doesn't get panties wet. But her boyfriend does. And she will date a guy with a lot of money and status.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 12:44 AM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society Properly raised man seeks to take care of the households finances.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 11:20 PM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society We've been over this. Males and females are different sexually. I think you're a male. Females are capable of pair bonding with a guy who is average looking to them but has good money and status. And forming real relationships. What people call "beta bux" is just normal human sexual behavior.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 10:55 PM
-7	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society Yes I have. A lot of would be considered 7-10 in America. The quality you get is always quite a bit higher. If you can get a 6 in the phillipines chances are the best you could get at home is a 5 with 2 kids or some s hit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 01:51 AM
-2	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society Sex tourists and guys looking to find a wife overseas are very different. Sex tourists are going to want to hang out with prostitutes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 01:50 AM
4	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society That's great. But we're all humans. Understanding human nature goes a long way towards understanding human sexuality and how best to navigate it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 01:41 AM
2	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society It's simple biologic arbitrage. Males are attracted to physical appearance. On average anyway. Females are different. They are attracted to a COMBINATION of physical appearance, money and status. When you go overseas. Your money and status significantly improves. Almost instantly. Which can give you a gigantic boost in your ability to find a partner. You still need to have some social skills. You have to be very careful to avoid the gold diggers, scammers, thieves, hookers etc. A large % of thos…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 01:39 AM
3	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society Like I said in another post. When I went to Ukraine I went on dates with educated women. Who had jobs and lives. They just wanted a quality partner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 01:34 AM
0	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society Some do. In fact I always say "assume that 50% of the women are useless pieces of shit" anytime you passport bro. Look out for gold diggers, scammers, hookers, thieves etc. The thing is you can find a real partner this way. SOmeone you will pair bond with and have children with. As a woman trying to do the same thing. 99% of the men you run into will be scammers and thieves and users and all that shit. Because men are just not innately attracted to money and status. If you're ugly you're just ug…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 01:33 AM
4	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society The only foreign women who are willing to marry like this are the ones who are so poor that they view any Western man as their ticket out. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X Sexual attraction is partially innate. Meaning it's not learned. It's wired into us through DNA. Males and Females select slightly differently. Due to biologic differences. The biggest one of course being pregnancy. Females get pregnant males do not. Due to pregnancy females tend to evalu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 01:29 AM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society It's true though. A large % of the human population derives their meaning from their family. That is their partner and their children. In many cases it's married couples. But not always. It's not a coincidence. This is the setup the human animal prefers. I'm an atheist. This is just evolutionary driven behavior. People without families do all sorts of fucked shit like get addicted to drugs, spend all of their time playing video games etc etc etc. Not always. Some people can function fine. But it…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 01:23 AM
4	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society The key difference is that when you visit an underdeveloped country. Your money and status skyrockets relative to the local guys. So you're able to pull much higher quality women. You may be able to pull women for one night stands where's you could never before. However where it really shines is your ability to find women for long term relationships. It would be like a 350lbs American woman getting on a plane and shedding 200lbs as soon as she gets off in another country. The difference in sex a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 01:19 AM
1	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society Why? Having kids and your own family is the greatest gift ever. Far more fulfilling then any shiteating 9 to 5 will ever be. A properly raised man seeks to provide for himself and his family. Not be a useless fuckboy or a dicklicking criminal scumbag.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 01:15 AM
2	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society Not really.... The best thing to do is find somewhere to live for a few years. Get a remote job. It's not cheap. But not super expensive either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 01:12 AM
-3	Inconvenient truths about each gender in modern society Most of them are knee deep in our Western culture too. They watch our movies. Consume our social media. Watch our news. Play our video games. Watch our TV shows. They'd have no problem talking about Western shit. They know just as much as you. A woman who prioritizes childbearing and housework has been properly raised. Doesn't mean she can't do other shit. It's just a matter of emphasis and prioritization. Of course the real draw is that they are more attractive. Well.... a Western guy can get w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 01:09 AM
3	Only immature and dysfunctional (or opportunistic) older adults date younger college-age adults. Every single older man that wanted to hit on me all had a few things in common. They were disfunctional creeps with a desire to control someone. I doubt it. You may interpret it that way. Younger women are just hotter to us. If you're a 33 year old guy. Most women your age that are worth a damn are probably already married. The one's that are left are either fat, have kids from another relationship, fucking crazy or any number of things. On top of that they are 33 so they have aged and no longer…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/25 02:28 AM
1	How are young men being disenfranchised? It's not. That's just an observation it's not a moral judgement. Yes women can also afford to treat men like shit. There are people in both red and black pill movements who want to blame everyone for everything. Those sorts exist everywhere. They are usually the vocal minority. Majority of people just want to understand how things work. They don't care to assign blame to anyone or anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 07:55 PM
5	How are young men being disenfranchised? It was an intentionally watered down example. Calm down. Red pill says good looking guys CAN AFFORD to treat women like shit. Because they are already wanted. Some women are indeed turned on by the whole "I don't need you bitch" attitude. But chances are that guy was already attractive before that. It only made him a little more enticing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 06:29 PM
2	Only immature and dysfunctional (or opportunistic) older adults date younger college-age adults. A lot of 16 year old women are not fully mature yet physically. They would have increased rates of things like miscarriages and other anomalies. This is likely why most men actually prefer 18-22 range not younger. This information is somewhat baked into our psyche from evolutionary pressures. (obviously there are some exceptions, but on average). Again none of that is processed by the guy. There is no universe where a hotter younger woman has less power then an uglier older woman. The uglier old…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 05:35 PM
7	How are young men being disenfranchised? I'll give you a rough example. Blue pill will say something generic like "Looks don't matter it's all about personality". An average guy will think back in his high school years. Think back on what type of guys were getting all the hot girls. Realize those guys had dreadful shitty personalities but they were good looking dudes. Red pill will come out and say "good looking guys have a ton of advantages". That resonates far more. Just a very simple generic example.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 05:26 PM
6	How are young men being disenfranchised? Mental resonance is an interesting concept. Sometimes people talk to each other and just vibe. Feels like you're completing each others sentences. You know exactly how the other feels and what not. Obviously it's not always this perfect. The reason men are attracted to the red pill and other such ideologies is because the messages resonate with them. While the blue pill messages don't resonate at all. It really just boils down to that. They see more truth in the red pill. Based on their own live…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 05:11 PM
2	Only immature and dysfunctional (or opportunistic) older adults date younger college-age adults. An uglier older woman has less power than a pretty younger woman. Because an uglier woman has very few options relative to the pretty one. By your rationale men would be going after uglier women. But they don't. Because power doesn't matter to them. Men really don't think about shit like that. Dick don't care. On top of that biologically speaking men are supposed to be the providers. Men are supposed to be the one's with the resources. The one's with the knowledge. So what you're describing is j…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 04:56 PM
1	Only immature and dysfunctional (or opportunistic) older adults date younger college-age adults. He is quite different. If that relationship began when she was in middle school. He's had the hots for her for years. That is very different from most average men who go after women who are sexually mature. Completely different behavior. How can you not see the difference? If you start with a woman when she is 18. She is almost certainly fully mature by that point. Where's if you started a relationship even if it wasn't sexual in the beginning when she was 14 or whatever.... then she wasn't sexu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/25 09:23 PM
1	Only immature and dysfunctional (or opportunistic) older adults date younger college-age adults. Are you saying men care about absolutely nothing else that women have to offer besides looks? They only care about all that other stuff ONCE they find her attractive. She could have the most awesome personality. If she's not hot its irrelevant. So while those things can matter. The looks is the barrier of entry. Also understand that men don't choose to be this way. This is just how we are programmed through nature. You don't control who you find attractive. If we could there would be almost no i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/25 09:00 PM
8	Only immature and dysfunctional (or opportunistic) older adults date younger college-age adults. Why do people always bring up power imbalance? Most men don't give a rats ass about that. Some 9/10 chick who is 21 years old has way more power than some obese 3/10 30 year old woman. Simply because a lot more men are interested in the 21 year old. And yet most guys will date the 21 year old. BECAUSE SHE IS BETTER LOOKING. It's not about power. It never was. It's always been about who is more attractive. Younger women (we're talking college aged) are more attractive. Period. They are less likel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/25 08:33 PM
5	Why don't men just hang out with each other more to solve the "male loneliness epidemic"? I mean yeah.... But the reason a lot of guys don't have friends is not because they "can't" make friends. In fact they probably have a lot of friends online. That they never hang out with because they are all chronically online too. You're conflating not caring to make friends with not being able to make them. They just don't make the effort. I very frequently say that "Don't just leave the house to find coochie" is horrific advice. Because in many cases that's the only way the guy will ever lea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 07:23 PM
5	Why don't men just hang out with each other more to solve the "male loneliness epidemic"? One does not preclude the other. I mean if you NEVER HAVE ANY FRIENDS yeah maybe your social skills are going to be trash. But if you just have 1-2 really good friends that you hang out from time to time. Especially if you're older. It's not going to really hamper you in a relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 06:35 PM
3	Why don't men just hang out with each other more to solve the "male loneliness epidemic"? I don't stick my pecker into my friends. I don't cuddle with my friends. I don't kiss my friends. My friends don't know nearly as much about me as my partner. I don't have kids with my friends. The level of intimacy is night and day. Come on....	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 06:15 PM
1	"The bar is in hell" and other such sayings... Males and females select quite differently. Both care about looks sure. And if you're a very good looking guy all your other aspects may get overlooked. But unlike males females also take in consideration other factors. Mostly dealing with money and status. For biologic reasons. Females get pregnant while males do not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 05:23 PM
2	CMV: Confident, smart women intimidate males To a degree sure. Maybe out of 10,000 a dozen or so will actually find her attractive. But the vast majority will not. Despite it being slightly subjective. There is common patterns. Such that obese women are not seen as desirable by the vast majority of the population.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 03:39 PM
8	CMV: Confident, smart women intimidate males Is this a troll post? The chick is ugly and fat. This is why nobody wants to date her. Got fuck all to do with her "confidence" or "intelligence". You see some hottie on Instagram that men are simping and thirsting over. Do you think they are suddenly going to lose interest if they come to find out she is actually intelligent and self assured? Of course not. Dick don't care.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 03:36 PM
7	Do you believe men in western societies pose any risk of reverting to extreme patriarchy (eg Iran ‘79)? More generally, do protections for women ultimately exist at the mercy of men? Bisexual and pansexual is the same thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 01:45 AM
8	One of the main reasons age gap relationships fail is that the men approach them thinking younger women will let them get away with laziness and irresponsibility Any relationship where the guy is 40 years old and still living with his mom and still parties is going to be very strained. Regardless of whether the age difference is 1 minute or 15 years. That's one of those water is wet statements.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/25 01:06 PM
-2	Q4Men: how would you feel if your wife made these typically “male” comments/ posts online? I always make it a point never to pay for OnlyFans. Because that would be taking $ away from my wife and daughter and giving it to some other hooker. I do the rest of the stuff. She also looks at guys on instagram sometimes. She knows I look at women too. It's normal human behavior. We have 100% trust in one another. She knows I would never cheat on her. My dad looks fantastic for his age though. So I doubt she says that about my dad. He was always a looker too. Even in his late 70s women be hit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 06:41 PM
–	No one ever debunked the hypergamy. How many rich men with beautiful wives do you need to see to believe it? Go to some Vegas convention or something. Where they bring their wives and girlfriends. I used to think they were all just gold diggers (which are basically just long term prostitutes). Now I realize that they actually liked them in some cases.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 11:03 PM
–	No one ever debunked the hypergamy. Does it? Is there anything to support that claim? I know it's popularly believed, but it is largely men repeating other men's anecdotal claims. Yes I'm one of them. I also met up with several others when I lived there (Ukraine) who also had nice looking wives and beautiful children. It works extraordinary well if you use common sense. As in avoid all the trashy women. Which isn't always easy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:57 PM
–	No one ever debunked the hypergamy. Only if you believe leftist propaganda. Relative to how it was in the past. Western mobility including United States is absolutely fantastic. Considering what a high % of people are lazy fucks, criminal bastards or just have a low IQ. It seems pretty much anyone who actually applies themselves ends up achieving at least a middle class income. You have to have some majorly bad luck not to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:51 PM
–	No one ever debunked the hypergamy. We all do. It's not really about "defending". I don't expect any different of them. It's to be expected, that is just who we are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:49 PM
–	No one ever debunked the hypergamy. But we still have social classes. Why do you think passport bro works so well? Because you're flying over to a country where just being an American makes you high status. Would be like some fat American woman flying to another country and shedding 200 lbs the second she gets off the plane. That is how profound the effect is in terms of your attractiveness to the local women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:41 PM
–	No one ever debunked the hypergamy. But it's just simple human dating strategy. All humans behave this way when given the opportunity. Why single out women? And why criticize someone for behaving in ways that nature programmed them to behave? You think you're ever going to shame a guy into liking some obese woman?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:21 PM
–	No one ever debunked the hypergamy. Hypergamy originates in India. Where attractive women of lower Castes frequently married up in Caste to move up in society. Is an observed and documented phenomenon. Their classes were far more static. Not like ours. If you were born a certain Caste you were probably going to die in that Caste. They didn't have the massive mobility that we enjoy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:19 PM
–	No one ever debunked the hypergamy. All I can say about hypergamy is that if you use it to inform your dating strategy don’t go complaining in 10 years time that your wife is materialistic. You are literally marketing yourself to materialistic women. I don't think that's accurate at all. All humans are "materialistic" to some degree. And a large % of women select on more than just looks. In a lot of cases the other things they look at are markers of high status or $. Or really just someone who is resourceful. Why do women like "co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:17 PM
–	No one ever debunked the hypergamy. Hypergamy when relating to the original meaning. Which was Indian women marrying "up" in terms of social status more specifically a "caste". Was a correct depiction of what was occuring. But at this point the modern interpretation is a down right misunderstanding of the differences between the sexes. ALL HUMANS want to maximize their value on the dating market. Which is another way of saying "dating the best person possible". You see a bunch of American men move to Colombia to date local hotties…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 10:11 PM
5	Why do you like "bro" spaces? uhhhhh yeah i'd prefer a woman giving me a massage lol. Not sure what that's about. Hair cutting not as important. Long as they do a good job. Going to the gym I prefer with a guy. Just cause a woman can't really match your intensity. Most of the time anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 02:22 AM
34	Why do you like "bro" spaces? Because we have to watch what we say around you guys lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 02:04 AM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think Unlike drugs it's actually good for you. Drugs eventually become destructive. Most families do the exact opposite. Become supportive as you get older. A bad relationship can happen. It's a risk you pretty much have to take.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 11:47 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think I completely disagree. Having a wife and children. Or just having your own family. Is how most men around the planet find their meaning. A reason to get up in the morning. A reason to go to work when you're tired. Or improve yourself when you just wanna game. So no it's not neutral. It can be a bad relationship... sure. But generally speaking people are better off with their own family than by themselves. On average that tends to be the case.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 11:42 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think Men also die happy never touching a woman. I know shocking. It was a response to that. I was comparing dying a virgin to being blind or disabled. People can be "happy" like this. But I wouldn't suggest seeking that lifestyle out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 11:37 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think - can't be just as meaningful and satisfying as children. I see nothing particularly magical about children. Biologic wiring. It had to be that way. If humans weren't biologically incentivized to have and take care of kids. Human race would have ceased to exist a long time ago. It releases a ton of feel good chemicals. And not just fucking. The whole thing. The pair bonding. The child rearing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 11:33 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think I'm sure there are "happy" people who are blind or can't walk. That doesn't mean we should start ripping our eyes out or jumping from the 5th floor.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 11:23 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think If a man only works hard, socialises, and improves himself because he’s chasing a relationship, what happens when that relationship fails? What happens if he never gets one? Then he dies miserable. It does happen. But at least he gave it a shot. Instead of dying miserable with the regret that you never even tried. Most of the time people find their way. Not always. A man who builds his life for women instead of for himself is setting himself up for a crash the moment things don’t go his way. The…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 11:08 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think Difference is. Being fat is objectively bad. Having a wife and kids is objectively good. There is no reason to fight that urge. It's a good urge that pushes you in a good direction. So why is it impossible for men to recognise their dependency on validation and do the same? Because the urges push you in the right direction. Or at least they can. They can make you work harder. Get out of the house to socialize. etc etc etc. I'm arguing that there is no point in trying to fight it. Embrace it and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 11:00 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think Actually no. For instance with losing weight. You are literally fighting your biologic programming. Your brain wants you to eat as much as you can every time you eat. Especially if it's some sugary shit. For a very good reason. Most of our history food was very scarce and there was no refrigeration or preservatives. Your ass better eat now cause tomorrow there may be no food. Understanding this and knowing this. Doesn't mean that you are destined to be a fat ass. In fact it helps you fight it. H…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 10:41 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think People grossly underestimate how much our innate wiring influences them. Mainly because they lack introspection and generally people want to feel in control. They look at a world full of people behaving weirdly and never stop to think that they are just acting out their animal instincts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 10:26 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think And no, saying men shouldn’t be controlled by their instincts isn’t the same as saying men should never marry or have kids. Self-control doesn’t mean rejection—it means not letting your entire self-worth be dictated by whether or not you succeed at something. That’s the difference, and you keep dodging it. The argument I'm making is that this opinion is innate. It's not learned. It's not conditioned. It's not self driven. It's not self imposed. It's just biologically programmed. If you consisten…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 09:11 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think The point is that men should build fulfillment for themselves, not just as a way to ‘earn’ a relationship. If a man can only stay motivated by chasing women, that’s not strength—it’s dependency. Chasing women is by far the most effective motivator for a man. At least a man who doesn't already have a wife and kids. Usually chasing $ is the biggest motivator for men with wife and kids. Cause they don't need to chase vagege anymore. So yes indirectly when you give that "sounds good on paper but act…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 09:03 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think The original argument I made is that if you try to tell men to stop following their natural urges. The end result is usually not very good. Remember the whole "they will just turn into drug and video game addicted hermits". You're a lot better off telling men "Be productive, be the best version of yourself, do it to get a quality mate if you have to because that is usually the best motivational factor for a man". Work out. Stay in shape. Be social. Don't sit at home all day. Moderate screen time…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 07:43 PM
2	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think The fact that some men adapt, overcome, and live fulfilling lives without relationships proves that this is not an absolute necessity The fact that some guys are gay doesn't prove that the vast majority of men want a woman to fuck and pair bond with. Outliers don't tell us anything other than they exist. just a strong urge that can be managed. Well at least now you're getting it. A man who doesn’t eat dies. A man who doesn’t reproduce doesn’t. That alone proves the difference between biological …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 07:31 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think A lot of folks describe various stages of child-rearing this way. Yeah you ask some parents who haven't had a decent night of sleep for months "how are you feeling". You're bound to get the answer you are fishing for. Which is how are all these extremely ideologically driven "studies" are conducted. But you ask the same parents if they would rather have their children just go away or never existed. Unless they are fucking crack heads or something chances are they will not agree with that sentime…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 06:55 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think I had a blast in the first stages of drug addiction. It was fantastic. Eventually the bad stuff rolled along as it always does.... Then it wasn't so fantastic. There are some outliers that generally don't need a pair bond and children. Maybe you're one of those. But for every one of those there will be a dozen guys waking up feeling like shit and the worst thing is they won't even know why because its politically incorrect to inform them nowadays.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 06:32 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think Humans have existed on the planet for about 200-300,000 years. You think it was done by force the entire time? We've also had ape like species that were similar to humans for millions of years prior to that. I suppose they were all forcing women to have children and raise the young. Interesting perspective there. Totally not ahistorical and devoid of logic and reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 06:27 PM
2	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think Yes they are. People lack introspection to realize they are. But that doesn't make it so. Shit one of the first things they teach you in Psychology 101 is that nearly everything a human does once all of his/her needs are fulfilled somehow deals with procreation. Even if it is only tangentially related like having a job. This is yet another ascientific argument from the left. I'm glad that woke is dying a quick death. The sooner the better. Humans are animals. Procreation and pair bonding is crit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 06:22 PM
0	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think Of course they are. They had to be. If they weren't we would have all went extinct a long time ago. Humans are animals whether you like it or not. The fact that a % of women are deciding to be miserable cat ladies doesn't dispute that fact. Promoting this self degrading and devaluing lifestyle is despicable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 06:16 PM
0	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think I think people who truly don't want to breed are A) A minority B) Suffering from a type of mental disorder I don't discount that people with mental disorders exist. They clearly do. But that doesn't mean we should be structuring our society around it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 05:50 PM
2	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think A relationship can add to your life, but it shouldn’t be your entire life. Unless you're human with human DNA and human instincts. All these dumb ideas certainly work very well with some fictional human like creatures that don't act or think like humans. Whether you like it or not we are animals with a ton of instincts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 05:49 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think They’re suffering because they believe they’re failures without it. From a genetic point of view. You are a failure. Your DNA has programmed you to feel this way. Sure you can find ways to avoid it or dampen it. But it's always going to be there. If they stopped believing that, it wouldn’t feel like starvation—it would just feel like any other challenge in life. I'm sure if a starving person just stopped believing they need food. They'd be ok... until you know they die. Same with people who fail…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 05:47 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think I'm married with kids. I'm talking hypothetical and from past experience. Because we are animals. We are wired for certain drives. If you don't eat for a week your quality of life will diminish. No matter how many hobbies or whatever the fuck else you have. It's just a simple animal drive that when unfulfilled leads to a shitty life. Nobody chooses this. Telling someone who is depressed because they are failing to pair bond to just "deal with their depression and anxiety" is akin to telling some…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 05:45 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think Objectively not considering what a large % of them are living hermitic lifestyles. You need a big push to get them out of their comfort zones. You will never find a better push than to chase vagege. Other than maybe chasing heroin or cocaine. But I doubt anyone with half a brain would ever advocate for that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 03:43 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think Plenty of men find meaning in their work, passions, friendships, and personal growth. The fact that you can’t imagine fulfillment without a woman doesn’t mean it’s impossible. You think they find meaning in it. And what exactly do you mean by "plenty". There is 160,000,000 males in United States. If 1% of them find meaning in all that rubbish. That is still 1,600,000 people. Which I guess can be plenty. But we really shouldn't base our ideas about the general population on outliers. The real tox…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 03:40 PM
-2	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think You're essentially telling a bunch of people who are starving "stop focusing on food for a second". Just because it doesn't kill you. Doesn't mean it's not a psychological need. Hell when people get stuck on deserted islands they frequently have severe mental health issues from a lack of socializing. The same can be said for men who are perpetually without a sexual partner. Yes maybe they'll survive just fine. Just like a person stuck in solitary confinement can survive just fine. But nobody wan…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 03:29 PM
1	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think That's the motivating factor to do a lot of those things. Without that motivating factor. It's much easier to just play Counter Strike or World of Warcraft all the time. Same dopamine rush minus the effort. Not to mention the less you socialize with real humans the more difficult it becomes. But if you're not chasing ladies what the hell is the point. So indirectly you're saying "lead a miserable hermitic life" when you give that advice. You just don't realize it because you're only looking at i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 03:27 PM
10	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think Like I said in another post. The natural conclusion to your "advice" is men sitting at home click clacking away on their computers for 20-30 years straight. Dealing with serious anxiety and depression issues. Because every morning they wake up and realize there is absolutely nothing to live for. Drug and alcohol addiction. And generally poor health and poor standards of living. Yes some outliers are perfectly fine living this way. In fact they thrive. But the average Joe is miserable like this. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 02:45 PM
2	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think Try not eating for a few days. See how well you do at ignoring your urges. At some point this advice you're giving becomes pretty toxic. Guys never leaving the house. Working and playing video games 24/7. Not socializing. Not doing jack shit. That is the ultimate conclusion of your advice. If men genuinely stop caring. They just become hermits. Which we're definitely seeing a lot of. We want men to care. We want everyone to care. Procreation is wired to be the most pleasurable act on the planet.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 02:33 PM
15	Men Put Too Much Value on Women—You Don’t Need Them Like You Think It's just biology. Nobody wakes up in the morning and decides "I will feel like shit today because a bunch of women I don't know are not interested in me". We are human animals. We are wired to care. We are wired to put great emphasis on sex and pair bonding. If we didn't we would have all died out many generations ago.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 02:28 PM
28	What do you mean you can’t be vulnerable?? It's just that some women lose attraction to a dude if he starts crying n shit. I was crying a lot when my mom died. I remember reading my ex wifes journal how she wants a "real man". But then again our relationship was already fucked way before that. (yeah yeah I know I was young).	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 11:57 PM
1	The “male loneliness epidemic” is self inflicted No I'm seriously curious what spaces you mean. I can think of like video game places. But then again most of us play video games at home. Maybe trading card game places. Those aren't that popular though. Other then that I'm drawing a blank.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 11:08 PM
1	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging Show me one guy who said it.... Specifically about anal sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 12:33 AM
0	What is something in a woman’s control that makes her higher value to you? Don't be fat. Be fit. Know how to dress. Know how to apply make up (too much is bad as well). Be feminine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 11:33 PM
2	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging You're a man right.......... Most guys don't want shit stuck in their ass. That's the difference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 11:13 PM
2	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging It's not the same exact statement at all. For the sake of the argument. If Billy let his previous girlfriend peg him because that turned her on. And he refuses to do it for his new girl. That could indeed be a sign that he doesn't like her that much. Though obviously guys are usually not the one's getting penetrated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 06:00 PM
1	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging I dunno what the hell you been reading. RP mostly deals with self improvement and human nature. I think your idea of what the red pill is, is distorted by some extremist shit you read.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 05:58 PM
2	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging Yes that is a much fairer statement than "I don't care if her ass bled for 2 days after, if she had anal sex with Chadwick then she better do it with me too".	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 11:09 AM
7	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging By whom? The only argument I ever heard is the far more moderate "if she's into more freaky shit with him, she probably doesn't like you that much". Which probably has some truth to it. But obviously the "if she hated it" nuance is sort of a common sense thing here. It seems like you guys are arguing against some far more extreme straw man then what people are actually saying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 02:41 AM
3	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging but many men here believe she should do it anyway if she has done it with a previous partner, otherwise she is signaling that her current partner is less important or less attractive. It depends. If she did it like 5-6 times and absolutely fucking hated it. Then no it doesn't mean she suddenly thinks her current partner is less attractive or whatever. But if she gave her previous boyfriend head 1000 times and suddenly she's not into that. Then yeah you have to question her motives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 02:18 AM
11	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging Plenty as in what? On the planet? Yes I'm sure there is "plenty" of insane people on the planet. Who think and believe all sorts of crazy shit. But the average guy isn't going to think that. Like at all. You're confusing the "you did this with your partner because you liked him more than me" with..... honestly I'm not even sure what the hell the rationale for doing what the rapist did to you would be. Like I said it would be utter madness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 02:17 AM
9	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging But according to many men, because I did it with one man, I need to do it with all or it isn’t fair I don't think you get it at all. Noone is saying that if someone raped you in your ass. You are now beholden to do it with your boyfriend. That would be madness. But if you gave your ex 1000 blowjobs but suddenly you're not into that. Then that becomes questionable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 02:12 AM
4	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging But that's a very silly argument. If the guy is not into it. Why would he want that done to him? It makes no damn sense. If he wants some shit shoved in his ass and she is refusing it. But turns out she did it with another guy. Then yeah maybe there is a parallel there. But otherwise this is just dumbassery.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 02:08 AM
9	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging There's dumb arguments There's arguments that don't make no sense and then there's this. What are you even trying to say here? Most guys don't want shit inserted in their ass. Period.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 01:48 AM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification The war obviously. You can't even fly in. You'd have to cross the border from Poland or something. My wife is from Ukraine and I forbade her to visit until the war is over. She has went to Poland and Turkey to see her family.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 11:54 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity In other words, you prefer when some rich dude you worship chooses the winners and losers, rather than letting the free market decide. Having Mark “the metaverse” Zuckerberg decide the winners and losers is not any functionally different than having a dictator decide. For someone calling me a “leftist”, you sure do support totalitarian, central planning pretty hard, as long as your leader is an oligarch. The market does decide. You can't make a profit if people ain't buying your shit. Nobody is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 10:57 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational I have no doubt that they do. But when we talk about a high value male sleeping around. It's not some dude bringing Shamu and her even fatter cousin home. Nobody wants to emulate that. Most people find that just as disgusting as a woman sleeping around if not more so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 10:46 PM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. What % of humans grew up to adulthood? Of course every woman that had a kid passed her genes. That's sort of a given. But she had to get to breeding age to even have a kid. Which most of our species never did.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 10:45 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational I'm Fabio. 10/10. All women want. Every human female alive wants me. Tis true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 10:44 PM
3	Sexual double standard is irrational Keep coping with what? Nobody considers dumpster divers "high value" or looks up to them. We talk about them behind their back going "did you see that fat bitch he brought home puke". We only consider guys who are sleeping with a bunch of hot girls high value. That's sort of a baked in assumption that you usually don't have to spell out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:32 AM
2	Sexual double standard is irrational It's not as much of a double standard as it is an observation on the differences between the sexes. We say "this guy kicks ass" when a guy has a lot of attractive partners. Because most of us can't do it. We say "this girl is a slut" when a woman similarily has a ton of partners. Regardless of whether they are attractive. Because we know any woman can do that. It's just the truth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:30 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational I've said all this shit to her. We've debated on the topic. She comes from Ukraine. Her views are a lot more in line with mine. Women over there are still taught the truth about human sexes. At least for now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:25 AM
4	Sexual double standard is irrational Most guys that are considered high value only sleep around with attractive women. Nobody is envious of or considers high value some dude who sleeps around with a bunch of ugly women. Most average looking guys can do that and most of them have no earthly interest in doing so. Dumpster diving is not that common.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:23 AM
0	Sexual double standard is irrational I'm married all this shit is long behind me. Thank god. For those struggling with dating. It is imperative that they understand human nature. Which is what this argument is all about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:22 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. That still doesn't dispute that millions upon millions of humans pair bond and t hat they have been doing it for the entire existence of our species. And that it's instinctual. None of what you said counters that in any meaningful way. The fact that people cheat and that many couples don't work out doesn't negate it at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:21 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Justified by who? Who is this central authority that officially justifies it? It's just an observation of reality. Some people don't like it. A lot of guys revere it because they want to do the same shit and can't. A lot of people don't care one way or another.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:07 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. Yeah only millions upon millions around the planet. You probably know several personally. Hopefully one was your father.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:06 AM
0	Sexual double standard is irrational Your opinion is irrelevant in that regard. He wants to sleep with a lot of women and is pulling it off. Most guys want to sleep with a lot of women and CANT pull it off. Despite trying very hard. I've never met a guy who didn't want to do that at one point in his life. So he's just a regular guy who can pull off what most men can't. Something about him. Whether he is very good looking, has a lot of charm, is very wealthy... who knows. But he's clearly high value.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:01 AM
2	Sexual double standard is irrational If he was low value he wouldn't be sleeping around lol. The proof is in the pudding.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:00 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. How do you explain that human males bond deeply with the child? That we're literally willing to die for our kids.... That would make absolutely no sense in a species that doesn't pair bond. Are you one of those people who thinks that everything is learned? I argued with a yokel who genuinely believed that yesterday. He wouldn't even acknowledge that hunger or thirst are instincts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 02:59 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. Oh brother. You're hopeless. Neurobiology of Love and Pair Bonding: Research has identified specific neural circuits and neurochemicals, such as oxytocin and dopamine, that play crucial roles in forming bonds in both animals and humans. These studies highlight the interaction between oxytocin and dopamine in linking partner stimuli with social rewards, facilitating nurturing bonds https://www.mdpi.com/2079-7737/12/6/844 Evolution of Pair-Bonding in Humans: Anthropological studies suggest that hu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 02:27 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. If you read the stuff I posted. You would see that some of the pair bonds don't last a lifetime. And there is plenty of couples that aren't actually pair bonded. That perfectly describes your divorce rate and cheating couples. You're arguing a straw man. Nobody says that every human finds their perfect partner and never cheats on them and always stays with them for life. That would be very easy to disprove just by looking at the real world. But so is the notion that humans don't pair bond. Simil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 02:15 AM
8	Sexual double standard is irrational Sure. If he wasn't he wouldn't be sleeping around. The act of sleeping around shows that he is high value. Most guys can't do that. Not unless they are dumspter diving or something. But nobody is going to think you're high value if you bring home a bunch of whales.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 02:11 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. You are incapable of having a real argument.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 02:05 AM
-1	Sexual double standard is irrational Because most guys don't want to marry or have a long term relationship with a slut. For obvious biologic reasons. We evolved in a world without genetic tests. If you were dating the town whore. You had no way of knowing if the kid she has is yours. Which means that people who didn't have this instinct to be reluctant to date whores. Got weeded out of existence over time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 02:05 AM
-2	Sexual double standard is irrational Let me try this again. Human male have a dual mating strategy: 1) Fuck a lot of women. Maybe invest in one. Maybe don't invest in any of them. 2) Invest in on and have a pair bonded committed relationship. Where you raise children toether. Females on the other hand only have one (despite what so many claim) 1) Pair bond with a high quality partner. So when a man is sleeping around. He is doing mating strategy #1. Something most guys would LOVE TO DO. But are unable to do. He doesn't give a shit …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 02:01 AM
-5	Sexual double standard is irrational He may be a slut but it doesn't matter. He is already high value. He may very well be making "questionable choices". But most guys would still kill to be him. And clearly lots of women want him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 01:57 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. Nope it's instinctual. It is not enforced by socio-cultural pressures. That is some flat earther level nonsense. It's instinctual for the 1000s of other species that pair bond. And it's instinctual for us. Wouldn't make any sense for fathers to get so vehemently attached to their children. If pair bonding and coupe child rearing was a thing. There are many males on the planet who fuck a female then bounce and never interact with her again or the children. If pair bonding was not an innate instin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 01:53 AM
-6	Sexual double standard is irrational Its like the double standard for when a male or a female decide on whether they will be a parent. A male decides as soon as he busts a nutt. A woman because she gives birth can decide to get an abortion. Same here. An average female can just open her legs and get endless random dick. An average male can't. Also due to biological differences between us. So when we look at a male who is sleeping around we know he is high value. And when we look at a female who does the same thing we know she's jus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 01:48 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. What are you trying to get at? Why don't you point it out. No I didn't read every fucking source. If you just went outside and looked around. You would see tons of examples of pair bonded humans. In pretty much every country. You have to dig real hard for some off the wall Amazon tribe to find a group of humans that don't pair bond. We also see it in many other animal species. IT IS NOT LEARNED. IT IS INSTINCTUAL.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 01:38 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_bonding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_bond (if you actually bother reading there is a section about human pair bonding there)	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 01:21 AM
9	Sexual double standard is irrational I think the thing most people don't get is that is that we're often just talking about the merits themselves. For example if a guy has a lot of quality sexual partners. That means he is a high value male. Because most guys simply can't pull it off. While any average looking woman can open her legs and get dozens of dicks shoved inside her. It doesn't really say anything about her value. Besides the fact that she makes some questionable choices. Most guys want to be the dude who can go to any nig…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 01:17 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. I gave you a link. You said "tell me why you believe it". I gave you both what I believe and scientific backing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 12:56 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. Because it's advantageous for raising the young of course. We have the most fragile babies in the animal kingdom. We are all born slightly under developed because of our huge heads relative to the females ability to squeeze us out. A lot of mammals can walk within days of being born. It takes us 1 year. Was just an evolutionary advantage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 12:06 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_bond This is a pretty good explanation. We see this behavior all over the animal kingdom. Including humans (who are also very much animals). It exists for a simple reason. So that the mother and the father raise their children together. We call it love and many other names. But it's just brain chemistry.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 11:54 PM
2	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. No no no no. You guys don't get it. People talk about hobbies as if it's a way to remove the need for a pair bond. Lonely because you're single? Go find a hobby. As if that will fulfill you. I never said that taking a woman out on a date on a kayak is a bad idea. Or that sitting at home is a good idea.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 11:50 PM
2	Caring about women's orgasm is beta. That humans have a nature. That it's not all learned. That if you understand the dynamics between how the sexes select. You can make life choices that significantly improve your ability to find a partner. Things like making more $ and learning social skills. That some guys are just born capable at getting women. Loads of stuff. I agree with more red pill stuff than anything else. Just not the AF/BB stuff. I think it's stupid. Oh and a big one is that passport broing works. I'm living proof of th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 11:48 PM
–	Women's resistance to paternity testing is the result of evolutionary need to commit paternity fraud. It's the DNA testing that strokes such strong emotions because it goes against evolutionary interests of women. No it doesn't. This is utter stupidity. You're talking about genetic instincts that evolved over millions of years. Likely predate human beings and passed on to us from our ape like ancestors. You really think female apes were out there hoodwinking their partner like that? That would be extremely dangerous in the wild. Your partner will either leave your. Or straight up murder you and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 06:10 PM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. Hyperbole, I hope? Like, I understand the drive to smash, but really? Yes a bit hyperbolic lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 04:45 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity They actually frequently don’t, when they have a monopoly, because stagnant business as usual is cheaper and easier than modification. You’re again I incorrectly (and unfalsifiably) assuming that whatever decision one rich guy makes is right. You're talking about companies like google and meta here. You do realize they have like 1000s of projects they are working on at any given moment. The vast majority of which are shit. And they know it. To just throw away already proven good ideas would be m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 04:34 PM
8	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. It's not that people are against it. We're against the notion that painting vases or kayaking can somehow replace the need for intimacy and pair bonding. Maybe short term. Another thing people say is "don't do it to get laid, just do it for fun". Fun is playing video games at home. If I'm leaving the house there can only be one motivating factor for that. So "don't do it to get laid" turns into just plain old "don't do it". Having said that having social skills is critical in my opinion and so i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 04:18 PM
22	Caring about women's orgasm is beta. I don't agree with a lot of blue pill ideas. But I do agree with one. Some people are either compatible or they are not. Which largely depends on their types of personalities. Now mind you that doesn't mean they have to have the same personalities. Often they are quite different but form together a good bond. All this "beta behavior" and "alpha behavior" is mostly nonsense. You either have a good relationship or you don't. If you do then all of that stuff doesn't seem to matter. And if you don't…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 03:34 PM
6	Why is it that if a man fell in love with his female friend, then it is believed that he just “wanted to get into her pants”? Most of the time guys are lying. But through omission. We are attracted to you. But we don't say anything because for one reason or another. Sometimes the guy is just nervous and figures the slow approach is better. Sometimes it's obvious there is no interest on the other side and he hopes that will change once she gets to know him better. Many different reasons. Yes in almost every case we know right away if we are sexually interested in you. You're either hot or you're not. Your other features…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 02:47 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity It encourages innovation that will never ever be part of the market. You seem to be unfamiliar with the fact that monopolies most frequently buy out new and innovative companies in order to merely avoid competition, not to be able to adopt the new innovation for themselves. Utter nonsense. They almost always incoroprate it one way or another if it is at all practical. Good example is that algorithm that detects which song it is inside a video. First developed on a smaller tube site. Bought out b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 01:46 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Of course 78% of the population pretends to support him. Not doing that can land you in jail. A lot better to just shut the fuck up and pretend you like him. Like the poor sons of bitches in North Korea. Shit I'd """support""" him too if I still lived in Russia. A lot easier that way. If the Russians are told the truth about how derelict their country and economy really is. How stupid the reasoning for the war in Ukraine was. They wouldn't support that piece of shit. I'll end it on that. I know …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 02:39 AM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity they just consumed all the completion. Yes and that is really good for innovation. What they do is they give these companies millions and in some cases billions to walk away. You really think that doesn't encourage others to innovate? They don't even have to learn how to monetize it. Just make it good enough to sell to Facebook. THIS IS VERY GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY. Nations with far lesser regulations of companies end up with children dying of poisoned milk powder or people being sold other poisons…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 02:29 AM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity You still don't get it. The country was miserably poor in the 1980s. They had no choice but to transition to the capitalist model. That transition is what you are describing. Of course it was going to be painful. China's standards of living have improved MASSIVELY after trading with the West. Look at Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Esthonia. Are they living in the stone ages? Of course not. They have fantastic standards of living relative to Russia. As soon as Russia finished with the transition. The…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 01:50 AM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity This is utter stupidity. YOU WOULDNT BE POOR. YOU WOULD BE MUCH WEALTHIER. All of Europe are "United States vassals". They have great standards of living. Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore. All so called colonies and vassals of United States. All have fantastic standards of living. Doing trade with the West is wonderful for your economy. If you had a Western style government. You would have much lower levels of corruption. This is just bullshit that your government has drille…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 01:22 AM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity It may change if you get a pro-western president. You give all lands back to Ukraine including Crimea. The West starts trading with you again. Regular Russian citizens would profit massively from this. What you don't seem to understand is that Russia would be massively wealthier if they traded with the West again. You have a ton of raw materials the West wants to buy from you. You have a capable educated population capable of creating shit. The only thing holding you back is your aggressive dict…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 12:56 AM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Nobody is discussing why Russia doesn't invade US. It's not just nukes. Your military wouldn't get very far. The states military goals are demilitarization and denazification. Which is utter nonsense since the Ukrainian military is much stronger than it was in 2022. And there was never any Nazis to begin with they have a Jew in power for fucks sakes. The real goal was annexation of Eastern Ukraine. That is why they went after Kyiv. That is why they attacked Kharkiv. That is why they initially to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 12:48 AM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity You can't even defeat Ukraine. A tiny nation relative to Russia in terms of military spending. They get a few Western weapons and they run riot over you. Why? Because Russian technology is shit. And the stuff Ukraine is getting is old Western tech. Imagine what the much larger US military with US technology would do to you. It wouldn't even be close. There was a time when the world thought that Russia had a capable military. That myth was soundly dispelled in 2022. When they failed to meet any o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 12:35 AM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Have you ever wondered why Russia needs Crimea? I bet you haven't even thought about it. They don't. Russia was just fine without it. They could have leased that port from Ukraine forever if they didn't aggressively attack Ukraine. And no it wouldn't be 50/50. The Russian military would get absolutely obliterated by United States. Especially now when so much of your military has been destroyed in Ukraine for no damn reason. The only thing that's keeping you from getting invaded is nukes. Not you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 12:21 AM
1	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. I'll ChatGPT your ass since you're so damn brainwashed. To counter this assertion in scientific terms: Hunger is both a physiological need and instinctual in behavior: Physiological Need: Hunger arises from the body's homeostatic mechanism, signaling a need for energy via hormones like ghrelin and leptin. This aspect aligns with the assertion that hunger is a physiological requirement. Instinctual Behavior: While hunger itself is a physiological state, the drive to seek and consume food when hun…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 12:05 AM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity If the US could defeat Russia, they would have done it already, but the US can't. The chances are 50/50 for both countries, and that's too big a risk. Because of the nuclear deterrent. Without that Russia would get gobsmacked. But with a nuclear deterrent it's not worth it for either side. Which is precisely why the whole "NATO coming to our borders" was just a fucking lie. The real reason is "We want Crimea back and we'll use force to get it". I never said they had "high" standards of living. O…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 12:02 AM
1	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. I dunno what the hell Pavlov was on Humans have instincts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_nature Simple shit like hunger is considered an instinct. The funny thing is you don't even argue against hunger being an instinct. Because you know there is 0 argument. You just say Pavlov Pavlov Pavlov. Sounds like the guy was a kretin.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 11:59 PM
1	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. There is no official science that states that humans don't have instincts. Only pseudoscience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 11:34 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Do you seriously believe that the EU and the US are financing Ukraine out of altruistic motives? No of course not. They get to weaken one of their primary enemies without using their own military. The question you have to ask yourself is what would have happened if Georgia and Ukraine were never attacked and allowed to enter NATO. The answer is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Russia would still be the same way it is now. Only much wealthier due to the fact that the West would still be openly trading with th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 11:32 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity You guys keep bringing up the guilded age. That was 140 years ago. The economy was substantially different. What are they going to bribe them for? If you don't allow regulations that prevent competition. Which is a large chunk of them. That's precisely what the bribes are for. Let me give you a made up example. McDonalds talks the government into regulating that every fast food restaurant has to have a $100,000 cooler. For them that's pennies and most of their stores already have them anyway. Bu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 11:04 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Absolutely not. Deregulation doesn't mean no regulations. You still need laws against things like theft, murder etc. You still need common sense food safety regulations. There are many regulations that are good and should be in place and enforced. However for every one of those there is a dozen that are either completely useless or down right destructive. So yes you want to remove the one's that serve no good. And focus on enforcing the good one's. Just slapping regulations on everything for the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 10:35 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity So it sounds like your issue is monopolies. The only way monopolies can form is regulatory capture. Which is a function of the government. The problem is the government not private enterprise. And your solution to a government problem is to give the government more power..... DEREGULATION is typically the answer. The market is very difficult to corner when the government is not regulating who can compete.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 10:16 PM
2	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Do you understand where economic growth comes from? Improvements in technology is the answer. You're telling me that white Swedes, Danes, Nords and Fins are too stupid to innovate? That unless they bring high IQ people from India and China they aren't going to come up with any new businesses, services and products. That sounds preposterous. You know why the Nordic economies stagnate? Stupid socialist policies. You tax the shit out of your productive sector then you wonder why it ain't producing.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 10:04 PM
2	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity No actually homogeneity is much better according to study. Less crime. People are a lot more apt to pay charities. It's no wonder that the safest countries with the best social welfare are all homogeneous. Whether places like Japan or the Nordic nations you guys wish to emulate. Yes it's good when we bring high IQ people from India and China to build businesses for us. Who we carefully vet. They don't commit hardly any crime and do nothing but make us richer. It is terrible when we bring unvette…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 09:56 PM
2	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity If you looked at German crime rates. You would still see massive disparities in how much crime their minorities commit. ESPECIALLY the migrants. Where are you getting these stats from anyway?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 09:46 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Foreign born is one thing. I'm focusing on ethnicity. What I'm saying is mildly racist. Mildly because I don't actually think all black people are criminals. In fact most are not. Most are just regular people like you and me. But a higher proportion of them are. And yes due to innate differences. What you need to understand is. You look at Swedish crime statistics and see that migrants from certain parts of the world account for like 200 times more rapes and many other crimes. It's not because t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 09:11 PM
0	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. lol what do you think is going to happen men will go extinct?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 08:55 PM
0	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. It's really simple. If a guy wants a quality mate.... he can be very good looking and then he just needs to stay in shape. But most guys are not genetically gifted. If you want a quality mate your only choice is to be well rounded. That means decent social skills and more importantly you make good $. You should go hang out some place where rich men hang out with their wives. Notice how many of them have ugly wives. Some of them do for sure. Then again how did they look when they married them? Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 08:38 PM
1	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. You're not really arguing. You're just saying dumb shit at this point. Of course humans have instincts. It is literally flat earther level dumbassery to claim otherwise. But then again judging where you from and where you get your information from. Not surprising at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 08:32 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Russians are severely brainwashed. Even some living abroad. Putin has totally fucked that country up. It could have had the standard of living of a EU nation by now. If he didn't engage in all these stupid completely pointless wars. And no Putin was not the reason why the economy improved. It improved for the same reason it improves everywhere. The means of production improved. Most of them brought from the West. From Western investments into the Russian economy. Yes of course the transition fro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 08:31 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Wages have been stagnant since the 70s for everyone but the ultra wealthy. Non-boomers have actually been squeezed out of a lot of things that were considered fairly basic prior to the 70s: decent housing, in particular. Yeah its a lie. This has been debunked over and over and over. In many different ways. Benefits have risen massively. Management pay has risen massively. The number of managers has risen massively. The quality of products has risen massively. Not to mention loads of products tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 08:26 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity "without any problems" but spent 5 years begging for a visa? Which one is it? My dad had job offers in Italy, United States and Germany. They would not let him leave. I'm guessing you still live in Russia. Not surprising that your view of the world is totally skewed. You'd think nowadays with Youtube and the internet. People wouldn't be so easy to brainwash. There's a reason why all 15 Republics including Russia instantly adopted Capitalism as soon as the Soviet government fell. As well as the e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 08:16 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Healthcare is only a problem for lazy fucks. If you're middle class and above you likely have health insurance. That covers most things. The quality of healthcare in US is much better than Russia. Do you still live in Russia?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 08:06 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1949v05/d358 Under Soviet law no person living in the Soviet Union may depart from the country without the permission of the Soviet Government in [Page 618]the form of an exit visa. I traveled to Finland right before USSR fell. They gave us an exit visa. Me and my mother. But my father and my sister were not allowed to leave. Because they knew damn well if they let all 4 of us we would never come back. You could not leave USSR. They wouldn't allo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 08:00 PM
1	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. I think you're speaking utter nonsense. Of course hunger is an instinct. What kind of moron would argue otherwise. You have to completely redefine the word instinct in order to make hunger not an instinct. "An inborn impulse or motivation". Do you understand what that means? All humans are born with an impulse and motivation to eat food. If we don't eat food we get hungry. We start to obsess about food. That is not a choice people make. I don't know what kind of dumb shit you been reading. https…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 07:53 PM
1	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. It sounds like you don't understand what an instinct is. Hunger is an instinct. It doesn't mean that you have no control over it. You're thinking of involuntary reactions. Such as reflexes. Which humans also have those. Here's an actual definition. instinct, an inborn impulse or motivation to action typically performed in response to specific external stimuli. So yes we do have an inborn impulse and motivation to both have sex and eat food. Those are 100% insinct. You must be arguing about some …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 07:41 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Socialism is garbage. If USSR was so wonderful. Why didn't they just let people leave? That is a fact. One that nobody disputes. I have a feeling you didn't actually live through socialism. Or are so ideologically brainwashed that you feel the need to lie. Because USSR was a FUCKING SHIIIIIIIIIITHOLE compared to US. Almost nobody had a car. We didn't even have phones in our house. And this is a family of fucking scientists. No cable TV. No microwave. Our plumbing was ancient. We lived in a tiny …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 07:38 PM
1	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. it is a set of automatic, uncontrolled reactions, not conscious actions. Yes such as hunger. You don't have to think about food if you don't eat. Another instinct is getting sexually aroused by a beautiful woman. Again no conscious thought required. You see something you like and suddenly your pee pee goes BOING. I don't know if you are a man or a woman. Any man had this happen dozens of times a day in high school. With no conscious thought required whatsoever. I don't know anything about Pavlov…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 07:16 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Yes but the migrant population in Sweden has horrific rates of crime. Despite all the free welfare shit they get. I'll spell it out for you.... Who migrated to US in the early years... EUROPEANS. Who has the highest levels of crime? Non Europeans. Everywhere on the planet. Including Untied States and Europe. It's blatantly obvious but we have to say it under our breath. So yes European countries full of Europeans have low levels of crime. Asians actually have the lowest levels of crime everywher…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 07:09 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity US never had a massive surge of migrants like that. Sweden has all the leftist welfare that you guys always claim will fix everything. Migrants come in and commit a shit ton of crime. Despite the fact that they practically dont have to work with all the free shit they are given. Turns out... maybe that's just not the case. Not to mention your soft on crime policies are just a fucking laughing joke to them. "You call this a prison, this is a vacation" they say as they commit crime after crime.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 07:01 PM
4	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. Of course it still works. You can't outrun human nature. Males are selected often based on traits such as money and status. Because human females have to evaluate the provider capacity. Even if our environment has massively changed. Sexual instincts take much longer to evolve. We are still selecting as if we live in the fucking woods. It takes 1000s of years for such mutations to change. If you want a quality woman. The best thing you can do is be a quality man. Which means be stable, capable of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 06:49 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Potomushto eto pravda vot pochemu. Korolev ranshe zvali kaliningrad. Moy dedushka rabotal s korolevom. My parents were scientists. They spent 20 years trying to get the fuck out USSR. As soon as it fell they left to United States. They wouldn't allow them to leave because they didn't allow anyone with skills to leave. My dad could have made significantly more $ working in the West.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 06:43 PM
1	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. What idiot scientist holds this view? That humans have no instincts. That sounds like some flat earther shit. Like I said try not eating for 2 days. See how quickly your instinct to eat food kicks in. What do you think an instinct even is?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 06:41 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Google it. It's not that hard to find. I understand why socialist leftist news organization never mention this. But if you just do a little bit of searching you will find all sorts of information on what a calamity this whole migrant thing has been in Europe. Particularly in terms of crime.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 06:27 PM
2	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. Are people in Afghanistan as malnourished? Nobody is saying other factors don't exist. Contraceptives are by far the most prominent one. Especially when discussing wealthy Western nations. North Korea has ATROCIOUS living standards. Absolutely atrocious. A large % of their population is malnourished. Afghanistan is a dangerous shithole because of all the terrorist scum. But it's not as miserably poor. People are not animals, people do not have instincts - this is the main difference between a pe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 06:25 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity I'm from Russia too. Born in Korolev moskovskaya oblast in 1983. USSR was always a major shithole. In any era. Yes some where better than others relative to each other. But it was always utterly miserable relative to US and Europe. USSR made it nearly impossible for people to emigrate out of the country. For a good reason. They knew that any doctor, engineer or really any trained professional can earn literally 10-20 times more in any European country and especially United States. If they allowe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 06:17 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Nevertheless, countries with rehab policies have half to a third the recidivism rate of the US, which translates into more efficiency and less cost Hence the mention of migrants. In Sweden when it was just ethnic Swedes going to prison. What you said was typically true. Changed drastically when the migrants started going to prison. As in different demographics produce very disparate outcomes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 03:59 PM
2	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. North Korea is a giant slave state with horrific levels of food and all other basic necessities. Including medicine. Not surprising one bit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 03:58 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Absolute and utter nonsense. They are much better off because we build those factories there. It's called mutual benefit. Look at the GDP per capita of China before and after we started helping them with the means of production (for profit of course). They went from $200 GDP per capita to now sit at $12,000. THANKS TO US. Socialist economies have failed everywhere. That $200 GDP per capita was because they were a miserable socialist shithole. Capitalism doesn't just beat socialism. It absolutely…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 03:16 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity What you're missing is the fact that the economy has become WAY WEALTHIER in the past 30 years. Which means everyone has become much wealthier. Inequality has always been there. But because wealth has grown so has inequality. That is perfectly fine as long as we are all getting wealthy together. Which we absolutely are. Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are always cited as billionaires people hate. They built Amazon, Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink etc. Yeah I know others had input. But they were the leaders th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 03:14 PM
2	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. Yes and just like all humans they like to fuck. But unlike us they don't have easy access to contraceptive. All that stuff you said is mostly irrelevant. We'd still be making 5-6 kids per woman if we didn't have contraceptives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 03:10 AM
2	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. You're absolutely insane if you think this is going to happen at any scale in the next 2 years. In any Western nation. Maybe in some underdeveloped shithole somewhere like Afghanistan. That's about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 03:09 AM
5	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. I'm sure there are extremist idiots in every group. But it wouldn't work. Any country that tried to do that would have massive economic and social problems. Not only is it unethical it's down right impractical. Women produce way too much in the economy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:59 AM
4	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. It's the contraception... Autonomy or not people like to fuck. When you don't have condoms and shit. You have way more kids. Western countries had women autonomy way before their fertility rates tanked.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:53 AM
5	Everyone is wrong about the reason for declining fertility rates. There's tons of data out there. The places with the best fertility rates are in Africa. Why? Low access to contraceptives of course. It's not like they are so rich..... They are miserably poor.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:40 AM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity The best places to live on the planet are all capitalist. There is a reason for that. Capitalism is the best for innovation. The best for fine tuning everything. Because of the profit motive and the private ownership model. It is significantly superior. Billionaires and other wealthy people are an important aspect of that. Socialists fundamentally don't understand where the real wealth comes from. which is goods and services. They think it grows on trees and the real issue is distribution. In re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:31 AM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Yes but we don't tax their net worth. They get taxed on income. Net worth is usually not liquid. Its usually stocks and other holdings. If you look at how much the average American consumes. When it comes to goods and services. You'll realize that the entire country is insanely wealthy. The common poor person in America has better access to goods and services than kings and queens did just 200 years ago. That wealth comes from technology, from organization, from means of production. For this we …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:16 AM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Raising the taxes on the rich is nearly impossible No it's not. It's very easy. As demonstrated by the fact that they pay the vast majority of taxes. If what you were saying was true. Middle and lower class would be taxed to death. Which they are not. They pay very little. The reason the tax breaks always seem to be for the wealthy is because we already don't tax the middle and lower class that much. There's nothing left to cut there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:11 AM
1	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Well attraction switches are part of your brains response to visual stimuli. Your dick is not processing visual queues. But yes attraction is not a choice. You can't look at some stinky fat homeless man and say "I will henceforth be attracted to you" and bam suddenly he looks like Jessica Alba. That is not how attraction works. You look at someone and either they give you the tingles or they don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 12:51 AM
1	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Consider isn't really the right word. We don't sit there and think about it. It's an automatic response. That innate sexual response is what drives our attraction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 12:03 AM
1	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? More than likely guys say "I don't care about personality" because it's not what drives our attraction. Meaning you having a good job only matters if we find you hot to begin with. It's a plus then but only then. Women have a harder time comprehending this. Because they tend to evaluate the whole package. Unlike us who only even care about the package if you're hot to begin with. The way males and females find each other attractive is just different. And hard for each other to empathize with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 11:47 PM
0	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape We're really not that different from Chimps, Bonobos, Gorillas and Orangutans. Genetically speaking less than 1%. The reason this matters a lot in these discussions is because sexuality is highly instinctual. It's not learned like some skill. We are born with it. We may be living in super advanced cities. But our instincts are still primed for the jungles. Which is why our sexual selection is so strange because it's not made for this environment. But yes we're a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 11:42 PM
0	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? I don't lol. I'm not the original poster.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 11:32 PM
-1	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Attraction is not logical. We don't sit there and decide who we are attracted to. I said this to another poster. Truth is we do care about personality and all that other stuff. But only as a secondary factor. Physical appearance is the primary and without that nothing else matters. Most guys have very few attractive options (if any). So when you do find someone attractive that actually wants to be with you. You probably don't care that much about the secondary stuff. As long as she is not a fuck…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 11:26 PM
1	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Truth be told men do care about the personalities. But only as a secondary factor. The attraction comes from physical appearance. And most guys have very few attractive options which is why personality and all that usually is just "ehhh whatever I can work with that".	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 11:20 PM
-3	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? We are all apes. We all function like apes. Humans are part of the ape family. The modern refusal to admit that humans are just slightly smarter animals is quite silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 10:39 PM
-7	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Frauds? They are just being regular human males lol. What you don't comprehend is that we experience attraction different from you. It's almost entirely physical for us. We could give 2 rat shits about your sense of humor, your education, your personality. It's about as important as what color your toes are that we probably can't even see. It's not what turns us on. It's not frauds. Just regular male human apes doing what human male apes do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 10:27 PM
-5	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? ahha so what? That is just how our brains are wired. You want us to care about shit we don't care about? That's kind of hard. I can try to make myself care about who won the last cricket world cup... but uhm... I just don't. I have no interest in cricket. It's not a conscious on and off switch. You can't change your "what you care about" any more than you can change your beliefs. Try making yourself believe that Santa Claus is indeed real. Not going to work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 10:21 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Why don't you ask Germany how much fun they are having with the migrants. Yes a functional prison system first and foremost removes the undesirables. Like they have done in El Salvador. You guys live in some magic world where you can reform criminals. Some of them can be reformed. Most of them will never change. Crime is like drug addiction. Even when a person wants to stop doing drugs. They have a hard time doing it. Almost impossible if they have no interest in quitting. Crime works the same e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 09:03 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Prison serves 3 critical functions 1) Deterrence. Gives people something to think about before committing crime. 2) (Most important) Removal. A criminal behind bars can't victimize anyone else. 3) Rehabilitation. By far the most overstated and least successful function. Where abroad? Most likely a small homogenous country.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 08:56 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification BTW this is why I never bother finding any sources in these arguments. People don't even read them. Waste of time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 08:40 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Why on earth would you want less punitive prisons? You want your city over run by scumbags? Criminals are like any other bully, the only thing they understand is force. We want MORE PUNITIVE prisons. Just look at how much El Salvador has cleaned up their country as soon as they started throwing gang members in prison for life. All that other shit.... doesn't need to be "free". Public offerings are often terrible in quality. Veterans have a free VA hospital and most of us don't even use it becaus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 08:37 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification My hypothesis is my hypothesis. I wasn't pretending to be some expert on the subject matter. I was arguing my point of view all along. Never pretended otherwise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 08:32 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Alright here's some studies for you https://academic.oup.com/psychsocgerontology/article/56/5/S311/634257?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-psychiatry/article/psychological-effects-of-unmarried-women-a-field-study-on-a-sample-of-unmarried-women-in-algeria/EE622D555DD0B7BA372B1715E8399541?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/ageing-and-society/article/childlessness-and-social-and-emotional-loneliness-in-middle-and-later-life/E412E2A2…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 08:24 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity And those countries still have shit fertility rates. We benefit from the rich too. They are the reason we live so well relative to the rest of the world. Inequality is an expected outcome of a meritocratic society. Humans are wildly different in their abilities and ambition.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 08:15 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification "I'm sure" "I believe" "I imagine" Do that all you want, it doesn't make it true. The question isn't "IF". The question is at what proportion. If 1/1,000,000 people have some super freak genetic lungs that are completely impervious to tar damage.... then those outliers still exist even if they are extremely rare. You guys love to make everything about outliers not me. Are you really going to argue that standing in a room with a smoker is just as harmful to you as standing in a room with someone …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 07:47 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Are you the same person I was explaining that we already collect most of our taxes from the ultra rich? And that taking from them who are the most productive members of society and by far the best investors and giving to the extremely wasteful government that is terrible at investing anything.... doesn't create good outcomes for anyone... other than the people who's pockets it fills in the government. The top 25% of earners pay 89% of the taxes. That means the bottom 75% earners pay a measly 11%…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 07:43 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification It does. Just because you live to 90 with a wretched cough and poor lung capacity doesn't mean it makes no difference. I'm sure there are outliers who don't even experience that. Just like there are all sorts of outliers on the topics we've been discussing. You're switching from "hiving kids is critical to your mental health" to "the fertility crisis affects us all." No I didn't. I was comparing second hand smoke hurting everyone to fertility crisis hurting everyone. All within that small frame.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 07:36 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Poor people have the most kids. But considering my advice was "No income taxes for 18 years" for parents. Clearly I do think that monetary incentives would be a good approach.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 07:33 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity They still pay the vast majority of taxes. You said the middle class was some important tax base. No it's not. They constitute less than 11% of the total tax revenue. Rich people pay massive taxes through corporate taxes as well. The corporations they own have to pay taxes as well. They also own a lot of real estate that they pay taxes on. This whole "the rich are so evil" is just a bunch of socialist drivel. That only hurts society in the long run. But yeah back to original topic. If the middle…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 06:45 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity State enforced prenups. Meaning if you go to court afterwards and she was on that visa. It's an automatic denial. You don't even have to sign anything. It's just there already as part of the visa.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 06:33 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Absolutely not. Upper class pay the vast majority of the taxes. https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/so-how-much-do-the-rich-actually-pay-in-taxes-high-earners-effective-tax-rate-trump-tax-cuts-government-spending-internal-revenue-service The rich pay by far the most. The top 25% earners pay 89% of the taxes. That means the bottom 75% pay just 11%. The entire middle class is under 75%.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 06:27 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification ChatGPT is actually pretty good at finding studies. I use it every day at work for like real world things. And often I have it find stuff the way I used to find stuff on google. It's not. It's objectively unhealthy. It makes no difference for some people. Kind of like how having no kids makes no difference for some people. Shit if it didn't cause a million diseases. Nicotine in itself may not be such a bad thing. It stimulates mood. Makes people happier. Studies show it's good against some brain…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 06:24 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity So have each marriage done under this visa come with a compulsive prenup. That seems like a fair compromise. If the woman leaves him in the dust she gets nothing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 06:22 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification It's not fucking similar. Reasons stated earlier. Smoking is objectively unhealthy for all. Being single/not having kids is not. I explained. Smoking is fine for some people. Some people live to be fucking 90 when they smoke. Not everyone dies from it. Some people die for unrelated shit and could have smoked without any problems. Maybe second hand smoke is bad for all. But so is the fertility crisis. I'll see if ChatGPT can dig up s ome studies. Can't do it now as I'm at work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 05:26 PM
3	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? Because all of those are categorically true. For example for every male strip club there are dozens if not 100s of female strip clubs. If anything this major disparity is often cited as a clear example of the difference between the sexes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 05:20 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Ok so the proper framing of my stance is.... For #2 that is. A large % of people will feel mentally unwell if they don't pair bond. Due to the way our brains and our hormones are designed (through evolution not by some god like creature). So if you tell people "its ok to be single" in many cases you are setting them up for failure. You're setting them up for all sorts of mental health issues. Similar to telling people its ok to smoke cigarettes. Because you are setting them up for all sorts of h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 04:16 PM
2	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Even with that. If you're getting an extra $20,000 a year that is a pretty decent incentive. Most people are not doing a $ calculation when deciding on whether they want to have kids. Most people just want to have kids and often push it back for financial concerns or career path concerns. An extra $20,000 that you know you wouldn't have to pay if you did something you want to do anyway. That's a pretty good incentive in my opinion. Daycare vouchers would be good too. Public anything is garbage q…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 04:03 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Summarize your positions so I guess 1) If I frame it that way you agree with it 2) I don't think it's unhealthy?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 03:59 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Where do you live San Francisco? If you live in a high cost of living area you also probably make more $ thus you'd receive a bigger payout from the "no income tax" clause.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 03:38 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification I must say. On reddit it's often you get into arguments and find yourself just repeating yourself over and over. At least you make it interesting. Here's my 2 assertions. 1) Money and status go a long way towards making you an attractive pair bonding partner for a female. So while it may not directly "turn women on". Women do get turned on for their partner. So it does absolutely help make you attractive in a very real and practical sense. 2) Humans are wired to prioritize pair bonding. (NOT ALL…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 03:37 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification If you require a specific relationship to continue in order to be happy, it is unhealthy. This does not mean that you should be happy if your family just disappears. Yes specific. Mother father and children. It's called a pair bond. Show me the science then, if that's dead wrong. Science on what? I already showed you that unmarried people tend to suffer from more psychiatric problems. You did the whole "which causes what" thing. Which unless I plan on doing my own study I can't reliably answer. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 03:10 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification You're misunderstanding me. I'm saying it's unhealthy if they require the relationship to be happy. Of course there's disappointment if it ends, but they do not require the relationship to be happy. They can eventually find happiness again. Most people would be miserable if their family went away. I don't see the reason to make that distinction. That's probably the core of our disagreement anyway. That normal healthy humans NEED those sorts of bonds to feel fulfilled and will struggle otherwise.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 02:55 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Huh?????? We're talking about improving fertility rates what are you talking about?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 02:50 PM
0	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity All those countries have shit fertility rates as well. https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/total-fertility-rate/country-comparison/	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 02:43 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification since you appear to believe that sex without procreation is an abomination. I never said that. It's a critical aspect of pair bonding. Pair bonding is needed to "trick humans into sticking around long enough to raise kids together". Which is rather critical to the survival of our species. It sounds like you're arguing against someone else and applying their beliefs on to mine. People can fuck I don't care.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 02:02 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity You raise taxes on everyone else of course. And no it wouldn't be "in excess of 100%". Probably just a couple of points in reality. We collect most of our taxes from the upper class. You would have to tax the middle class a little more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 01:31 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Nonsense. I take my daughter to an expensive daycare. It costs $1000 a month. That does put a dent in my pocket. But $2000 would easily cover 2 kids. If not 3 because as they get older it gets cheaper. Especially after VPK kicks in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 01:08 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity nah...... Some relationships don't work out. You can't do that. We'd have to screen the girls really well to make sure they are not visa scammers and actually want a real relationship. How you would do that... I dunno.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 01:07 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Poor people have more kids because they tend to make poor life choices in general. Not using condoms. Having sex way too early. All that good stuff. But unless we plan on encouraging our high school students to stop using condoms. That is not exactly a good approach. I'm talking about $ incentives. There is no question it would improve fertility rates. The question is how much. The problem for a lot of professionals is that having a kid gets in the way of their career. Women who are on some fast…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 12:41 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification One requiring the relationship to continue in order to be happy. I imagine that would describe a very large % of relationships. How many people would be devastated if their wife/husband and kids just suddenly left them. Whether through a break up or some calamity. Seems like a rather pointless distinction. It breeds the idea of continuing in bad relationships because the fear of being alone is too great. That's a bit more specific. But then it implies Co-dependent = bad relationship. Which can b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 12:38 PM
0	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity It benefits the women too. A woman doctor can work for many years. They can work well into their 60s and sometimes even 70s. The child will only make her miss 6-12 months. They don't exactly have a hard time affording daycare or even a personal babysitter. So it's not going to be years like you're projecting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 12:32 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity A lot of them would pair bond and never leave their partner. Humans do this thing called "pair bonding". I'm sure some would be scammy cunts and do what you say. We could throw their asses in prison or deport them. But then again some relationships just don't work out without any malice involved. So I dunno.... Probably wouldn't do anything to them. Just the cost of doing business. When dealing with people some with be liars and shitbags no matter who it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 12:29 PM
0	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity And destroy our economy in the process. The mega rich is why we live better than everyone else. They produce the most wealth. Wealth redistribution is very toxic to an economy. The rich already pay the vast majority of the taxes anyway. A typical poor neighborhood contributes less than 1 billionaire CEO. And certainly far less when you consider all the food stamps and other free shit they get. They are getting more than they put in, in most cases.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 12:26 PM
–	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: It is somewhat malleable. But within certain limits. You can get a guy who likes short skinny latina women. And over time get him to like short skinny asian women. With enough exposure. As long as he finds enough of the patterns that his brain is searching for in a mate. He may start to prefer asians over latinas. But you'll never get someone who innately prefers fit women (the average guy) to prefer obese women. That is not possible. Anymore than trying to get them to like dogs or chimpanzees. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 12:22 PM
2	Women's sexuality works differently than men's sexuality... Pair bonding. Older couples pair bonded and don't want to leave each other. We don't have a way to detect women being infertile. So we don't. It doesn't have to be perfect to be effective. Men attracted to older women is just a statistical deviation. Surely happens. Doesn't mean it's the norm. Yes on average our sexual responses are catered towards reproduction which means we favor fertility and youth. We're not talking about conscious choices here. I'm explaining why on average men tend to pref…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 12:19 PM
1	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity It would not collapse the tax system. Most of the taxes are paid by rich people anyway. Most of the single childless people are in middle class.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 12:16 PM
-2	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity hahaha. I posited that a "young attractive fit fertile woman Visa" should be a thing. Bring women here who want to find husbands.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 11:33 PM
3	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity You're talking about Hungary. I'm talking about United States. Totally different ball game. You give some Doctor family with a household income of $500,000 a year who pays $200,000 a year to Uncle Sam. A way to earn an extra $200,000 a year doing something their bodies and brains probably want to do anyway. And the result will be a lot better than Hungary. Yes we'd probably want to help people pair up as well. I agree. Not having to pay income taxes for 18 years is a pretty good incentive to do …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 11:32 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Then it's a bad belief to have. It nourishes the idea of dependent/co-dependent relationships. I think that's stupid. All relationships are dependent and co-dependent. Mental issues are wholly dependent on the experiences/thought patterns of the individual. If their mental issues are more deep seeded or even just from a different space, a relationship will never solve them. Most of them are just from the belief that you are inadequate. Because nobody worth a shit wants to be with you. As soon as…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 11:30 PM
2	Women's sexuality works differently than men's sexuality... I completely disagree. Money represents resources. It's someone who can take care of her and the young. Which is why money and status matters to begin with. Now money itself isn't going to make the girl wet for you. But what does make a girl wet is her boyfriend/husband. And women like to date guys with a lot of money. So indirectly it does.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 11:24 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Wank wank. Come back when you have an actual counter argument. You're just spewing garbage at this point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 11:23 PM
4	There’s Nothing We Can Do to Raise Fertility Rates, Because Low TFRs are Just a Result of Modernity Sure you can. Make parents completely tax exempt from income tax. Until the child is 18. That would encourage precisely the type of people we want to encourage to have kids. High earners and high achievers. We've tried money incentives. But it's always been half ass. Doing this would actually improve things. Would it completely fix the issue? Probably not. But it sure would go a long way towards. Best part is the poor people who already have good fertility rates. Are not really affected by this.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 11:21 PM
2	Women's sexuality works differently than men's sexuality... The rule of thumb is. On average: Males: Attracted to signs of fertility and youth. Which we shorthand as "physical appearance". Females: Attracted to some combination of looks, money and status. The "some" is important because it can vary a lot from one woman to another. This is due to biological differences. Most prominently pregnancy. So all your "leadership qualities" and "masculine behavior" is just signs of a high status male. In the past when we ran around the woods with small groups of a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 09:59 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification lol. 41 with 2 kids. No I don't dismiss them. I consider them a small minority and see no reason to fuck over the majority on their behalf. We stopped telling women "your most important role in life is to be a mother". Because we are so worried about offending gay women and women who can't have kids. In the process we fucked over the many so that we can protect the feelings of the few. You don't have to be a dick about it towards people that can't have kids. We don't go around gaslighting blind …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 09:51 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Which human culture exterminates/murders/culls menopausal or infertile women and men? Not what I'm advocating for at all. So I don't see how that's relevant. Okay so you must be from a culture which cults everyone who isn’t actively producing or raising young, right? Sounds Barbaric. How many children do you have? I don't think you understand what I mean by "basing it around the norm". How do you get murder infertile people out of that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 09:38 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Having children is not something that magically solves maturity. It's a choice. Another key point we disagree on. We know that males hormonal levels change when they have children. AKA no it's not some choice. Your body goes through an actual change. So does your brain and so does behavior. I know the idea that humans are just animals with pre-wired instincts is taboo... But it doesn't make it not true. Are their mental issues a result of being single, or did the mental issues they've always had…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 09:33 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification are their mental health issues the reason they cannot find a suitable partner? Cause and effect would need to be established. What's the difference? You basically said the same exact thing twice. What you're describing is a person maturing and being more responsible when they have a child. Ahha... As opposed to having a bunch of 40-50 year old children running around. Who don't even know why their life is so fucked up. Because we stopped telling people the obvious truth that by that stage in you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 08:41 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Again if it served a purpose in the past. Doesn't mean it's not detrimental. If we had people with fainting spells the same way as fainting goats. Would you think it's a good idea to look for a medicine or some sort of treatment/cure for it? I'm not arguing it never served a purpose. I'm arguing that it's: 1) Rare enough that can be treated as an outlier. And we shouldn't base our culture around outliers. 2) We should base it around the norm. Which is healthy fertile mother and father raising th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 07:57 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Took 2 seconds to google. On a general level, the feeling of being connected with other people can lower morbidity and mortality, and the quality of relationships is a predictor of physical and psychological outcomes in the domain of health (Gore 2014). In their study, Kamp Dush and Amato (2005) concluded – in accordance with prior studies – that romantic relationships (marriage, cohabitation, steady dating) provide benefits for individuals’ mental health and sense of well-being. In line with th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 07:53 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification I've heard this argument before. In goats they have the "fainting goat" that will faint when a predator approaches. That way the rest of the pack get can away. So if let's say 1/100 of our children were born blind. Because their role was to feed the hungry predator. Would that mean we shouldn't work towards eliminating this no longer needed and destructive to the individual deviation? Even if it served some evolutionary purpose. It is a deviation and it is detrimental to the person. I am actuall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 07:31 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Your contention is that humans are not naturally wired to seek pair bonding and to raise children together. Or am I misunderstanding you? My contention was never that 100% are like that. Clearly they are not. Just a large %. Maybe as little as 70-80%. Probably closer to 90-95%. You have gay people, infertile people, asexual people and other deviances. Interestingly enough gay people have fought tooth and tail to get married and adopt children. So even when your attraction switches are all messed…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 04:54 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Are you intentionally misreading what I say? Obviously not all. But a large %. That is what I mean by unscientific mumbo jumbo permeating throughout our culture. Did you just completely gloss over that or what? I'm saying exactly what you're saying. That it's not all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 04:44 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification This is some big time brainwashing. This isn't rooted in science at all. This is some weapons grade emotional manipulation. So you don't think that human beings are wired to pair bond and raise their children? Obviously not all. But a large %. That is what I mean by unscientific mumbo jumbo permeating throughout our culture. Every single society whether poor or rich whether socialist or capitalist whether religious or not. They all are centered on families raising children together. I guess that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 04:16 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification It sounds like we've anchored this argument on whether LGBT is a disease or not. Which really is quite tangential to the overall argument. So is this whole "classifying people who don't want kids as diseased". They are minor points in the bigger scheme of things. The key component really is educating people. "The average human is wired to want children and family. Will feel sick without it. If you don't focus on that first and foremost, a life of misery awaits you". That is the message you have …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 03:55 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Considering the rising rates of singledom and reported lack of sexual contact. From both sexes. Considering the terrible fertility issues in the developed Western nations. Considering the gigantic rise in depression, anxiety, drug addiction and other mental illnesses. I'd say it's a problem worth addressing. Just "letting people make poor choices" is not really a solution unless you want things to just continue to get worse on those fronts. The idea isn't "force everyone to make a family with ki…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 03:37 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Other than treating them as diseased and forcing them into counselling. The counselling determines whether it is a disease. That's the only way to do it. If every single person on the planet suddenly got afflicted with the "I don't want kids" disease. The human race would be gone in 100 years. So yes it is very much a disease. Even if it means nothing at the personal level. Then it's a bad comparison. Originally I was discussing why people should focus on family first not career. Career is just …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 03:12 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification ...Nobody is talking about scarcity, my guy. We were talking about work. Why do you think we work? Cause of scarcity. If every good and service that humans consumed just grew out of a tree. If you could go to some automated Dentist shop and a bunch of robots did your fillings and whatever other work you need done. People wouldn't have to work. But as it stands goods and services are scarce. Which is why humans have to work. Nobody is talking about giving up their family either. Stop going to wei…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 02:57 PM
1	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: I disagree. I don't think it's that malleable at all. At some point the woman is just too fat. Exposure to fat women isn't going to make you more attracted to them anymore than constant exposure to Chimps at a zoo would have you develop a Chimp fetish. Some of these things are just hard wired into us. You could potentially fix gay men by just showing them pictures of hot women for days and weeks. I'm sure they have tried and probably completely failed. They have tried to add fat women to posters…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 02:47 PM
1	True alpha men are extremely rare Seems a bit conspiratory theory territory There's a well known genetic anomally. That accurately predicts when someone will end up in prison. But we're not really looking for it and most people don't know anything about it..... I know that other genetic anomalies have very small prevalence. Even smaller than 1 out of 1000 in many cases. Why that one in particular would be more common, have such a significant predictive function and simultaneously most people not know about it. Seems far fetched.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 02:23 PM
0	True alpha men are extremely rare The prevalence is way too small. 1 out of 1,000 according to google. Also doesn't make sense why it would be the most common among poor communities. I'm sure a lot of them do end up in prison. But most prisoners are not XYY.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 01:27 PM
2	True alpha men are extremely rare I suppose there are different kinds. The sort of "Alpha males" us regular folk typically run into are the criminal aggressive kind. You can say Putin is an alpha male. Even though just about any young male can kick his ass. No one actually will. But how often do you actually talk to people with 1000s of soldiers dedicated to protecting them? Probably never. So yeah your regular run of the mill Alpha Male is just Deebo. Some big muscular dude with huge bones that knows how to fight and refuses to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 02:12 AM
2	True alpha men are extremely rare People who are aggressive jackasses who don't take no shit are "socially respected". Nobody fucks with them. But their necessity to constantly react aggressively very often causes them to end up in prison. A "true alpha" is a very toxic person you don't want in your life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 01:56 AM
2	True alpha men are extremely rare Prisons are full of alpha males. True alpha males. The kind of guys you would never want to disrespect. Of course they are toxic pieces of shit and almost always belong there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 12:29 AM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Yeah dude capitalism is a bitch Oh boy don't start with that. Capitalism didn't invent scarcity. Planet earth did. That's a whole other can of worms though. We're not talking about getting rid of anyone's family. Stop going into weird disconnected extremes. It's making your argument weaker. You misunderstood. Most people would stop working if they could. But most people would not give up their family. Unless either their family is abusive or they are a shitwad. Buddy, you're not understanding wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 12:19 AM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Right, by sending them to counseling and stressing that it's cRiTiCalLy iMpOrTaNt. You're shaping a society where people treat those who want kids as having a psychological problem. Because it is.... Now it may be innate and nothing can be done about it. Like if they are gay or something. But you gotta look into a malady. Pretending like its no big deal is not a good long term plan. How many times did they say "don't have sex" growing up? A lot and it didn't work. Like I said for brain washing t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 12:08 AM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X There are studies on this. Women were found to be 1000 times more sensitive to salary information when grading faces compared to men. Not 10 times, not even 100 times. A THOUSAND TIMES. There's many other studies like this. Yes it's part of the package. But the whole "having a package" is also somewhat of a woman thing. Most men just need the girl to be pretty. The rest is just "possibly disqualifying factors". Such as if sh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 11:44 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification As opposed to what? Critical fertility issues? Millions of people addicted to drugs and alcohol? People living miserable pointless lives? I think you're reading this as "force them to have a family". No you just strongly encourage them. The people who don't want to do it. Fine do what you want. The tax breaks for people with kids are easy to justify. They are investing in our future. You're not if you're not having kids. The rest is just good ol "teach people what they need to know anyway. Some …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 10:01 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Indoctrination into what? Leading a good life? We indoctrinate people into tying their shoelaces, brushing their teeth and washing their ass. There's nothing wrong with indoctrinating them when it's healthy for their wellbeing. The psych counselling is similar to what we do if someone has bad grades. Maybe they are just dumb or maybe they just don't give a fuck about school. But it's a problem and we need to see if we can fix it. Sometimes you can't fix it and that is just who that person is. I'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 09:50 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification How much time you have? lol First you completely redo education. Get rid of high school as it is. Consolidate all general ed into the first 8 years. High school would be replaced by very real trade schools. That won't all last 4 years. But all will be tailored towards people graduating and instantly having access to middle class style jobs. The only people at 18 years old without a lick of skill will be the morons that dropped out. Second you focus on nuclear family. Tell people that creating a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 08:54 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification I think it's important. We gave women equal rights and access to the workplace for a very good reason. First of all it was the right thing to do. Secondly and probably more importantly IT HAS MADE US MUCH WEALTHIER as a society. But it has it's side effects. Particularly in the dating world. Because females are innately attracted to wealth and status on top of looks. You have a problem when your females are graduating from college at higher rates (due to another biologic phenomenon known as vari…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 08:37 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification It's true for the vast majority of healthy/long lasting couples I meet, at my age at least. What country are you from? WEIRD countries are quite weird in deed. Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich and Democratic. But they also suffer from terrible fertility rates and awful issues with anxiety/depression. Materially they are certainly the best places to live on earth. Hands down. But not necessarily the best places to find a lover for a lot of people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 08:11 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification We're talking on average. You take 1000 couples where the male is noticeable worse looking than the woman. Nobody is saying 100% of the time it will be money/status. All sorts of other reasons can be he case. But is probably going to be 700-800 of them are due to some sort of money/status. That is what is well known in the East. That is what they teach both the boys and the girls. Because it's just true about human nature. You guys will point at the 200-300 cases where it is not the case and sud…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:54 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Two wolves?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:45 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Yes but it is detrimental to them. You were wrong saying it wasn't. Humans shit on each other all the time for all sorts of reasons. But if you're born with a specific condition that people tend to be disgusted by.... That is something else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:45 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification I personally have no way of verifying that. But society at large knows this to be the case. I know it's somewhat taboo to say this stuff in the West. Due to the proliferation of toxic feminists and what not. It's pretty common sense in Slavic countries. If you see a hot chick with an average dude. He's probably a software engineer or something. Or the son of some businessman or politician. This used to be well known in America too. We've kind of decided to put our heads in the sand and pretend o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:43 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification It doesn't? The argument people usually make is that it does BECAUSE people shit on them. And they shit on them due to some social conditioning. But it clearly does have detrimental social and psychological effects. We may disagree on why but I doubt you would argue that it does.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:30 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification For many years I believed that you needed to be sexy for a woman to form a real bond with you. My dad tried to tell me otherwise. But I just didn't believe him. Took me travelling to Kyiv to see that he was actually right. I wasn't the only guy that was dating someone much better looking than them. It is extremely common in Kyiv and generally in Slavic countries. I am slavic myself so I suppose that helps. I'm not saying its the ONLY thing that attracts them. They probably enjoyed their company …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:26 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Yes which is why I always say females choose on a combination of money, status and looks. I never remove looks from it. If you're some 600 lb male. No amount of $ is going to find you a real girlfriend. Apart from some major outliers that you likely will not find. However if you're some average looking dude. You can go a long way making good $ or just travelling abroad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:24 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Saying 2+2=5 over and over isn't magically going to change math. Of course it's a disorder. It has detrimental effects on the person afflicted with it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:17 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Why does that suck? We both ultimately got exactly what we wanted. And made a happy home together. Yes it doesn't always work that way. But it also very often does. As long as the families are happy who the hell cares.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:14 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Of course it is. We don't like to say that way because they have been shitted on a lot in the past. But obviously it is a disorder. I have OCD and ADHD. I was born with it. It's a disorder. So is being gay. So is being trans. So are many other things. I suppose eventually they will have some OCD positive movement and stop letting people say that it's a disease. Hopefully by then we have better treatment for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:13 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification And human males are innately attracted to human females. A disorder or disfigurement doesn't change that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:11 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Then that would mean nothing is innate. That is a really stupid way of looking at it. One person gets born with one eye. All of a sudden we can't say that humans innately have 2 eyes. You see how silly that is? Just because there are outliers doesn't mean you can't make broad generalizations. And it doesn't mean that the behavior is learned if there is variance in behavior. Innate behavior can also have wide variance. We know that things like OCD, ADHD, Psycopathy are all innate. People are born…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:08 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification I'm not though. I'm interpreting their results. What does it mean if you show 100 different faces to a bunch of women with salaries underneath them. Ask them to rate it. Then do the same thing with a bunch of men. And notice that women were 1000 times more sensitive to the salary information in their answers. You can argue "well they are conditioned this way". Maybe... But far more likely this is an innate difference between males and females. One of many. We are sexually dimorphic after all. Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:02 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification According to most studies people are born gay. Yes you can say males are innately attracted to females. Except for gay males or asexual males or any other outlier deviation. If human males were not innately sexually attracted to females. Our species probably would have died out a long time ago. But that doesn't mean deviations don't occur.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 07:00 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Sure I don't disagree with that. There's also the potential factor. Often women are attracted to guys who have the POTENTIAL to make a lot of $. Like some athletic star in high school. He may be broke as a joke but if it's obvious he's going places he'll have women chasing after him. Even if he's not super attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 06:57 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Do you think your wife would leave you if you suddenly were no longer able to provide for her? Probably not since we have 2 kids together. But she would have never looked my way if I didn't tower over here in money and status. It was the catalyst for us getting together. Maybe I'm saying it wrong. Money and Status is part of the package. Me and her we also have a lot of other things that made us compatible. But it would have never happened if A) She wasn't very physically attractive to me B) I w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 06:55 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification It means that we are born with it. Our species evolved that way. It's not something that society taught us. But nothing implies that all humans operate this way. Shit we know that gay people exist. They are likely born that way too. There's your variance right there. If you can have extreme variance like that. Why couldn't you have a lot more much milder variances like preferences for this trait and that trait.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 06:52 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Their partner is sexually attractive to them. And women often partner with guys because they have a lot of money or status. Yes obviously the attraction is deeper then that. Chances are there is something else she liked about the guy as well. But wouldn't have given him the time of day if he wasn't high money/status. Nobody is saying money is THE ONLY thing that attracted them. It was part of the overall package. The idea is utterly preposterous, and the number of men here who claim to be financ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 06:48 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Not at all. That's not what it means. There can be variance. Why does something innate have to be identical for every human? Nothing is identical in every human. Not even innate preferences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 06:45 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification I didn't see it once. We see it all over the place all the time. If a large % of birds nests were on the ground. We could surmise that maybe they like building them there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 06:32 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification I am explaining my point of view. You having higher money and status can make you more attractive to a female. Innately. The same way it works for many other species including our primate cousins. As in actual attraction. Not just some prostitutish "If I fuck him I can get $" sort of deal. Which obviously also takes place quite a lot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 06:20 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Ok so what you're supposing then is the Incel theory that a man has to meet some "minimum threshold" of physical attractiveness in order for a woman to even consider him as a mate. Is that correct? Incels aren't always wrong about everything. I'm not trying to like talk down your opinion. It just happens to be a cornerstone of their ideology so I wanted to make sure this is what you were saying. Incels will say something like "for her to truly like you she has to be at least somewhat physically …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 06:17 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification It is the same thing. We evaluate how pretty the face is. How young she is. How nice the ass is. How nice the tits look. "evaluate" implies if they meet the criteria then attraction can take place. Obviously none of this is conscious. It's almost entirely instinctual. You can't just will yourself to find some homeless bum physically attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 06:15 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Which doesn't disprove anything. I said they evaluate it. I didn't say it absolutely always works out a certain way. The fact that they marry the same socioeconomic group is actually more proof of it than anything else. Because it's "across and up" not "just up". Not too many women willing to date down in socioeconomic status. Meanwhile the average guy doesn't really care especially if she's hot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 06:08 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification And I disagree. There is mountains of scientific evidence that human females evaluate how much $ and status a male has.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:57 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Physically attracted? You said "liked quickly". You didn't specify if they thought they were hot right away. Which is why I asked.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:54 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification ChatGPT does give some silly answers. however it did point out some species where the RESOURCEFULLNESS of the male is a key factor. How do you measure the resourcefulness of a human male? We have a pretty good way with $ and status.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:50 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification How do you differentiate stability and money? If money is a key component of stability.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:49 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Humans are the only species that transact resources and services for money. However that money represents resources. And there is certainly many species where the female wants to sleep with the most resourceful male. Which is the same exact behavior if you stop to think about it for 2 seconds.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:41 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification But the key here is "attracted". Were those women instantly physically attracted to those dudes? That's the big difference I am talking about. I hear women on this subreddit specifically say all the time "He wasn't the hottest guy but I liked this and that about him". Whether he was really cool or they vibed or whatever. Cause the person above was arguing that women don't get sexually aroused by billionaires. My counter was that they frequently pair up with billionaires and that those often form…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:35 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification The person above that asked to give examples of females from other species selecting mates based on "money". Or however they worded it. This new reddit is stupid I can't find the original comment without digging through the whole damn thread. I showed examples. That was ChatGPT that wrote that (obviously). But yes a very rich man commands resources like a peacock has a cool tail. Both the cool tail and the resources function the same way. The peacock female has evolved to find that tail sexually…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:29 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Just say what it had to do with How many times you heard a woman say "I didn't really like him at first, he wasn't my type. But then I fell in love with him and he turns me on". That's like typical Blue Pill lingo right there. I don't see it. Maybe I already replied to it I dunno.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:26 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Show me the reply. I'm sorry I can't get to all of them. I get flooded and I'm at work. If you point it out I will respond to it specifically. Not intentionally ignoring it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:23 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification "or food". You missed that part. Probably not intentionally. What provides food in human societies? I would venture to say $.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:23 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Then you my friend are an outlier. I can't think of a single guy I know that wouldn't be down instantly. Who cares if she sucks in bed? You're not going to wife the hoe. In fact who cares about chemistry or any of that. The odds of that girl becoming your wife is pretty slim. You're probably the 3rd guy she fucked that day if she's that much of a fucking slut. Why on earth would you want a relationship with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:15 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Money is access to resources. It's the same damn thing. A very rich man commands resources the same way a giant gorilla does. Are you guys really so ideologically obtuse?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:13 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification So if some super hot Latina chick. Walked up to you and said "hey I got a hotel room wanna fuck". What would you say? Would you start grilling her about her education and all that bullshit? Assuming of course you are single. I'm married and I would just say no. But if I was single and I didn't think it was some trap to get my kidneys. I would say yes of course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:08 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification So they are not sexually excited by their partner? Or they frequently don't pair up with wealthier and higher status males? How many times you heard a woman say "I didn't really like him at first, he wasn't my type. But then I fell in love with him and he turns me on". That's like typical Blue Pill lingo right there. Well there's a reason for that.....	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:03 PM
-4	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification I never said pair bonding is not a thing. It obviously is. It's a biologic trait of humans. We pair bond to raise children together. Couples that are pair bonded are often not interested in other sexual partners. Even if they are physically attracted to them. And yes of course we would have went up to 0.7 civilization or whatever. The goal is to survive. Having more abundance and technology significantly helps with that. Reproduction is just a key component of survival. Humans only live so many …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 05:02 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification But they are sexually excited by their partner. If they actually like the guy. And they will frequently pair up with wealthier or higher status males. So not directly but yes they are excited by stacks of cash.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 04:59 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Ok and with your high T ass. You never been aroused by seeing a half naked woman? Like in your entire life? Cause in the right environment. Like Miami Beach or something. It can happen dozens of times to me. It's not like I make sure they all have a sense of humor and a degree in law. Most of them girls don't even speak English.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 04:58 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Uhhhhhhhh the fuck that got to do with anything? You do realize how easy it would be to win that T battle right? Just take a T supplement and don't bate for a couple of weeks. You think that guys who will fuck a lot of chicks somewhat indiscriminately have low T? How does that work in your brain?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 03:26 PM
0	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Everything about status and money is socially constructed. None of that is natural or innate. We recreate this society each day anew, a prison of our own making. What utter nonsense. Access to resources is not something we made up. It occurs in many other species too. No matter what you use for currency some apes will have more stuff than others. Our ability as social creatures fosters the concept of private property and private resources. It's not unique to humans. In many other species males w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 03:24 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Had to ChatGPT this one. Too lazy to google. Primate Species: Chimpanzees - Prefer dominant males with resources. Bonobos - Favor males offering group stability. Gorillas - Choose silverbacks with territory and protection. Mandrills - Prefer colorful, high-ranking males. Macaques - Favor males providing grooming or food. Non-Primates: Peacocks - Females prefer males with elaborate tails. Bowerbirds - Males with decorated bowers attract females. Elephants - Older, experienced males preferred for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 03:21 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification He's also very neurodivergent which is a major turn off. But I'd rather not say that outloud cause it's mean and unnecessary. They are however sexually attracted TO THEIR PARTNER. How many times have you heard women say "I wasn't that initially attracted to my boyfriend. But I love him so much and he totally turns me on". That is what they are talking about. Women and men have different attraction switches.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 03:17 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Do you agree that women often get sexually aroused by their partner? And do you agree that those same partners probably wouldn't elicit that response if they just saw them walking down the street? If you agree to both. Then if money can help you partner up. Then indirectly it does arouse women. Not the most complicated 2 + 2.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 03:16 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification The very first one. They rated guys faces and gave them higher ratings based on salary. Do you expect them to attach sensors to their vaginas and measure the response instead? They do that with guys a lot. Not sure if they ever do it with women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 03:14 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification They will masturbate to those men if they pair up with them. And I never said unattractive. I'm always careful to say "some average looking dude". If you're ugly as a guy you're going to struggle even if you are wealthy. But it's not that hard to be "average". Because women won't want to pair up with you. I think the whole "beta bucks" thing is a misunderstanding of human nature. And yes if you're elite in any category of looks, money and status. You can often forego the others. An ugly billiona…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 03:09 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification If your theory was true, why is Luigi Mangione being lusted after, but the CEO of United Healthcare was only laughed at? Did that CEO not have women craving his attention? Because you are expecting something different from what I am describing. First of all I never said that attractive men don't have women creaming over him. Which is the case with Luigi. Second of all I never said that women masturbate to pictures of wealthy men. Think of it this way. If some super hot cheerleader chick wants to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 03:07 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification A far greater amount of men. FAR GREATER. It's very common among males. Not so common among females. True sluts that will fuck any guy are surely around. But almost every guy is a "true slut" in that way lol. At least the guys I hung around. The one's with testosterone and balls.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 03:04 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Nothing. It goes to illustrate that males and females are different in their natural attraction switches. Which is the point of that line.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:59 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification There are studies on this shit https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/newscentre/news_centre/story_archive/2012/its_not_about_the_money_research_reveals_women_are_more_interested_in_a_mans_earning_capacity_than_the_size_of_his_wallet https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females I could probably find 100 more if I took the time to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:54 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification There are 100s. Often cited in black pill forums I haven't frequented in like 5 years. https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/newscentre/news_centre/story_archive/2012/its_not_about_the_money_research_reveals_women_are_more_interested_in_a_mans_earning_capacity_than_the_size_of_his_wallet Here's one from a simple google. I'm sure I could find way more. The idea that sexuality is 100% malleable and not innate at all is total nonsense and needs to die as soon a possible. Leads to a lot of very bad polic…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:51 PM
2	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Sure mostly because males have dual mating strategy. They will gladly fuck a woman they have no intention of pairing up with. Unlike women who on average tend to want a relationship from the dude they are fucking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:46 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Yes that is where we disagree. You propose that there is only one type of woman attracted to money/status. A low life hooker/prostitute type that is completely useless. I propose a very different hypothesis. That there is 2 types. 1) The useless hooker types 2) Females who are innately attracted to money/status and will pair up with a guy based on that criteria. And yes cream for them when it comes time for sex. Both exist. Both are easily observed in nature (real world). Like I said women are p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:41 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Nonsense. Anything "could be a socialised trait" just like anything can be an innate trait. Women favoring partners with longevity is perfect explained by the biologic differences. Primarily the fact that females get pregnant not males. Not to mention we see this behavior and these differences in many other species. Not very likely that it's innate and instinctual for them but somehow learned for us. Far more likely it's innate and instinctual for all of us.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:37 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Read what I wrote. Women cream for their partner. And many women would partner up with Zuckerberg and Gates because of their status/money. So indirectly the $ is sort of making them cream. You're not going to see too many 18 year old college girls with a picture of Zuck tucked under their mattress for their fingering session. But that doesn't really matter. Zuck can fuck. Elon doesn't have 12 children because he looks like Fabio. He has 12 children because he is worth billions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:31 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Let men know when you produce any evidence that women are somehow sexually excited by Zuckerberg or Gates . I’d love to see any evidence that women masturbate to ugly wealthy men. It doesn't quite work that way. Women are often sexually aroused by their partner. Which they will self report isn't always the best looking guy. They will cite things like "he was just funny" or something. That is just the difference between how males and females are attracted to each other. It's not the same. A guy c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:26 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification They asked women to rate guys faces. And underneath stuck their salary. The higher the salary the higher they rated the faces. That effect was 1000 times less pronounced with men rating womens faces. They didn't ask "do you want to marry this man". They just asked them to give a rating. In a very clever way where they disguised their true intent. Because without this sort of obfuscation people typically won't tell you the truth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:20 PM
2	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification The thing is. Average looking American guys will travel to Colombia, Phillipines or in the past to Ukraine. Get the same exact treatment from far more attractive than them women. And get told that they are gold diggers. Some of them are. But not all of them. A lot of them are just regular women who are innately attracted to money/status. The key is being able to tell the users apart from real women. Which is not always easy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:13 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X They've done studies like this We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. Its difficult because stated preferences are often quite different from what people are actually choosing. When pressed most men will say shit like "i care about sense of humor and what education she has". But in reality when you look at the skanks …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:06 PM
0	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Right and that tends to be the disagreement. I think that money/status is part of the innate attraction switches. Involuntary reaction that can lead to sexual attraction. Yes most people couple up within the same socioeconomic status. I don't disagree. That doesn't dispute what I am saying one bit. I can 100% guarantee you if we looked at "mismatches" where one side makes much less than the other. You'd find 10 males making more for every couple where there is a woman making more. But I doubt an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:02 PM
2	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Sure I don't dispute that. The thing I dispute is that all women who date guys with status/money are automatically hookers (whether long or short term). I'm saying that women being attracted to status/money is no different than men being attracted to nice asses and tits. It's just an innate attractor. By no means do I think that hookers are attracted to all of their rich clients. Hookers in general are completely useless for relationships. Which includes sugar babies which are just long term hoo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 01:37 PM
1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Elon Musk has like 12 children. He's doing just fine by himself. Ultimately it's the result that matters. Yes many women would gladly get into a long term relationship with Elon Musk. Young and attractive one's.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 01:34 PM
2	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification I think the whole "objectification" argument is silly to begin with. Everyone gets objectified if they are attractive. That's just normal human behavior. It just happens a lot more to women because of how human males operate. It would be like some Chad crying about "oh no why do they treat me like some piece of meat". Almost like a fucking parody. It happens to guys too we just don't give a shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 01:32 PM
-1	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification who tell them that their whole purpose is to find a man and make babies It's not innate to men. Some men do that yes. But they are usually similar to female prostitutes. ' Women are outperforming men in higher education by a wide margin now. And fewer women than ever are interested in having children, at least in the developed world. Doesn't that go perfectly in line with what I am saying. Women want a man who is at the very least on the same social status/money with them. If there is too few of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 01:20 PM
-3	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification Because increasing number of women are earning more of course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 01:18 PM
-21	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification who tell them that their whole purpose is to find a man and make babies That is true for both sexes. Our only true purpose is to have children. From a biologic point of view. For every Murkel and Thatcher there are 1000s who just want a good home.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 01:05 PM
-6	CMV: Women have no issue with the ''right;; objectification But most women are swayed by money and status. It's just a biologic difference between the sexes. The rule of thumb is as follows (ON AVERAGE): Males = attracted to physical appearance. Usually signs of youth and fertility. Females = attracted to a combination of looks, money and status The difference comes from pregnancy. So while some women are down right prostituting themselves. A lot of them are just responding to their natural innate attraction switches. An average looking guy with a lot of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 01:03 PM
2	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: Nurture plays a complimentary role for sure. My argument is against people who think it's entirely nurture. Not that it is 100% nurture. The OP had it right. It's probably 50/50 just like everything else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 12:13 PM
7	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: If people could choose what they find attractive. There would be practically no involuntary single people on the planet. The core problem is that often times people lack MUTUAL ATTRACTION. If attraction is a choice. Let me ask you a legit question. Could you pick out some old fat smelly homeless man say "I will henceforth find you sexually attractive" snap your fingers and all of a sudden he looks like a really hot chick? Can you do that? Cause if you can that is pretty cool. I imagine that is a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 03:18 AM
1	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: Read up on it. In Oman what they do is hire migrant workers. Then take their passports. I'm 99% sure that is what they are counting as "slaves". Regarding why they are underdeveloped shitholes. Lack of development is the reason. Their own development. They don't have the technology. A lot of those countries dabbled with socialism which is an absolute death knell to any economy. They had those resources for 1000s of years and did fuck all with them. People love to blame the white man for their so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:58 AM
1	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: How are you going to use their numbers and you don't even know what they mean. What happens in Oman is still well in line with what I'm saying. Where do you think their "slaves" come from? They are migrant workers looking for a paycheck. They come to Oman because they can earn more $ there. Why? Because they are coming from underdeveloped shitholes thats why. And it's a far cry from old school slavery where people literally belonged to them. They just confiscate the passports and make it hard fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:49 AM
1	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: Ok but what do those numbers mean? There is probably 1,000,000 slaves in North Korea for every slave in Poland. From what I remember Oman uses some unscrupulous practices for their foreign workers. Such as confiscating their passports. Not exactly slavery. But I'm sure that is what they are counting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:46 AM
1	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: Oman, Pakistan, North Korea..... Yeah underdeveloped shitholes. Who the fuck is enslaved in Poland? What on earth are they talking about? What exactly do those numbers mean? Cause North Korea is almost 100% enslaved. If you're not a politician or some connected person. You're a fucking slave. I'd be curious to see how on earth they came up with those figures. The only slaves in Poland are perhaps sexually trafficked women. But that is very rare nowadays and extremely illegal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:40 AM
0	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: No we don't. There is no slaves in the developed world. Only slaves are in miserable poor shitholes that are severely underdeveloped. Which is not a surprised since as soon as you develop slavery becomes toxic to your economy. It significantly helped the survival of the economy of the people who were the slavers. Which was often entire civilizations. Romans had slavery throughout. It did a lot to help feed the Roman population. All of it not just the slave masters. Humans deciding the "others" a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:32 AM
3	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: I personally tried dating people I was not physically attracted to. Just because my friends were and were egging me on. It was utter misery. For both of us really. So I wonder how much of that "not initially attracted to" has more to do with they had a better option or a former lover they were still chasing. And didn't necessarily find him/her completely unattractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:06 AM
1	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: Natural makes sense in the frame of "biologically humans are wired to behave this way". In that frame both agriculture and our pre-agriculture diet were perfectly "natural". Because they gave us the nutrients we need to survive. When we talk about sexuality it's usually about mate choices. A lot more children prefer sugar over something like broccoli. Why? Human nature. We evolved to prefer foods high in carbs because those were scarce and valuable. It works the same way with preferring fit part…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 01:59 AM
0	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: We had slaves because we thought it made economic sense, not because it helped us survive as a species or individual. We were right back then. It did make economic sense. It makes no sense now because of how much more advanced our economy is. Damn near every large civilization had some form of slavery. Sometimes outright. Sometimes it was serfdom. There's a reason for it. It was functional. Despicable... but functional.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 01:57 AM
1	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: Sure I like eating grains.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 12:39 AM
1	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: I think it's important to recognize that some things are just more human nature than others. If 98% of human ethnicities prefer a certain setup. Then it's fairly accurate to call it more natural. Even if 2% don't agree. Trying to pretend it's all socially conditioned is useless and inaccurate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 12:07 AM
-1	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: Biologically ethnicities are different. You have 100s of different ethnicities on the planet. Maybe 98% of them behave one way. And then you have oddballs where a woman is a cum receptacle for many men and they are fine with that. It's called divergent evolution. There's a reason why when they talk about these sorts of things it's always some oddball tribe in the Amazon somewhere. You are not very likely to find this sort of behavior widespread in any developed nation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 11:47 PM
9	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: The best argument for human sexuality being more biologic than anything else is our inability to choose who we find attractive. It is almost entirely instinctual. In fact if it wasn't we wouldn't even care that much about it because anyone who wants a partner could easily find one. Society can spend many years trying to convince you to find fat women attractive. Put all sorts of obese women on poster boards. And it doesn't work worth a shit on a large % of men. Yet you put one sexy fit model on …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 11:42 PM
1	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: The reason human behavior and human culture is so strange is the same. Both our culture and our genome evolves much slower than our environment changes. Due to how fast our technology has improved. We're still a bunch of naked apes running around in a scarce forest starving our asses off. At least in our minds. Soon as you realize that human behavior starts to make a lot more sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 11:37 PM
1	Dating is 50% biology 50%social conditioning, and they mix together: Cultures have a survival of the fittest aspect. If your culture is weaker eventually it gets conquered by a superior one. Slavery makes no sense in the modern economy where you need a specialized and highly flexible work force. But when everyone was working on the fields doing the same shit all day long. It didn't matter if they were free or not. Ciggs and alcohol are just items that hack our brains reward system into thinking they are doing something productive for survival. Modern consumption …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 11:35 PM
0	It’s not unreasonable to ask your partner to stop watching porn It took a while for the tobacco stuff to come out. People used to smoke everywhere. Their home, their car, public transport, airplanes, hotels, restaurants, even elevators. Sooner or later it will come out in a more definite way (cause it's already known) that frequent masturbation to porn causes significant damage. The people who are doing ok despite using porn are just not as damaged. Diminished sex drive and far more importantly unrealistic sexual standards in mates. Which affects both sexes …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 03:59 PM
5	It’s not unreasonable to ask your partner to stop watching porn I’ve always found a cuck element to the fact you’re getting off on watching someone else sleep with a woman you find attractive, but that’s not fully relevant here. Two totally different things. When you bate to a chick getting fucked. You're imagining that it's your dick doing the penetrating. That's why the POV is very often the dick going in. Not the guy going urf and arf. Where's watching your lover have sex with another dude.... I dunno what the fuck that's about. That's some masochism shit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 03:31 PM
1	The primary consequence of toxic masculinity is crime yes yes. If its to the left. There will be less outliers and 140 is an outlier. What I am contending is that it's not as "to the left" as previously thought. It's enough to make a difference. Which is what most mainstream refuses to acknowledge for ideological reasons.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 03:07 PM
1	The primary consequence of toxic masculinity is crime Yes I believe in the Bell Curves. But I don't think they are as different as some of the earlier studies suggested. Mainly because our way of testing has no ability to discern between genetic strength and "how well developed a brain" is. You can't remove that element because of the way the brain works. Structural differences occur with better development. Which is why the difference between the bell curve of African Americans and some Subsaharan tribe. Is much bigger than the differences between…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 01:57 PM
2	The primary consequence of toxic masculinity is crime 140 puts you in the .48% percentile. There are 56,000,000 black people in US. So even if it was half with .24% there's still 1000s that have higher IQ than 140. You also have to remember a decent % of black people are imports from places like Nigeria. When we use the proper immigration practices we tend to select for higher IQ. So that .48% will actually be higher among the African immigrants.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 01:15 PM
3	The primary consequence of toxic masculinity is crime "Nothing to do with ethnicities". Yet around the globe the same exact ethnicities commit the most crime. Including in countries where they are the majority and in power (South Africa). It's a pleasant lie that the West has convinced themselves. That all ethnicities are somehow identical. But it's just not true. Mass migration in Europe has proven it beyond all reasonable doubt. There's no reason to be ascientific for the sake of being politically correct. The differences are small. Your average …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 12:12 PM
1	The primary consequence of toxic masculinity is crime sigh you're going to get me banned. Certain "builds" are more conducive for a life of crime. For instance if you're a big dude with big bones and strong muscles. Being aggressive is a lot more useful for you than when you're puny. There are IQ differences between ethnicities. They are not nearly as big as previously thought and they mean very little at the interpersonal level. No matter how smart you are there are probably 1000s of black guys smarter than you (in most cases in your city alone)…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:18 AM
-2	The primary consequence of toxic masculinity is crime There are other things that play a role that have little or nothing to do with "toxic masculinity". Certain ethnicities are far more likely to be aggressive. Ineffective or down right absent law enforcement encourages crime.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 04:10 AM
1	The primary consequence of toxic masculinity is crime You ever consider that's just males being males. We are after all much bigger and stronger. Obviously at least some of that was to fight for dominance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 03:55 AM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role A man benefits in sexual selection from having a career and money. A woman does not. The emphasis is family. Career is just a means to an end. People don't live for their shitty 9 to 5 jobs. Most of us hate those fucking things and would gladly not work at all if that was an option.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 08:28 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role But if you're having a family (kids) you've already selected a mate So that answer doesn’t make sense. A man at 18 goes to college. Selects a partner throughout. A woman at 18 focuses on finding a partner. Has kids. Then goes to college. Who knows when they'll find a partner. The issue is emphasis not outcome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 07:33 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role What do you mean? Elaborate please I didn't understand your response.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 07:26 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Why? And why not men? I already explained. Differences in biology and how we select partners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 07:17 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Most people derive meaning from having their own family. Which is usually husband/wife and kids. Females would be better suited to initially focus on family. Only once they have a family focus on career. But that's just my own interpretation of it. I don't see it happening anytime soon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 06:46 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Why? Different biology. Different selection patterns. Males: Primarily select on physical attractiveness. Females: Select on a combination of looks, money and status. Males benefit tremendously from having a career and money in the selection process. Not so much for females. Males have a much longer fertility window as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 06:33 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Women should focus on family first then career. 18-22 women are in college. They shouldn't go to college until 24-26. You can still have a career. But now your life also has meaning. men on the other hand should absolutely go to college at 18. And really they should be going to trade schools much earlier.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 06:28 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Right. So lets peer pressure people into making good decisions. Don't be fat. Focus on making a family. Those sorts of things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 06:12 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role I insult them because I think it's a poor decision. But that doesn't mean people shouldn't be free to make those decisions. It's the framing. "Being a cat lady career woman is bad. But you're free to make that decision". Is better than "Nothing wrong with being a cat lady career woman". Nobody is forcing you to do anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 06:06 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Id argue we went too far in removing gender roles. That a lot of the problems we have today is because we tried to even them out. We should have gender roles. They are overall a net positive for society. Long as people are allowed to freely not conform to those roles. It's not a problem. If a woman wants to be a cat lady career person. No problem that's her prerogative. But let's stop pretending the average person will want that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 06:00 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role I was asking you that. Wanting your opinion on how these things form. I was giving you a stupid example. As far as "how it should be". People should get paid on merit. Which means sometimes women would get paid more. As they are better suited for a lot of tasks. Depends on the profession.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:56 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role No mens club taught me that. Observing reality and reading different opinions and theories taught me that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:53 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role What do you mean why? Humans evolved with certain instincts. The gender roles of man being the breadwinner is most in line with those instincts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:52 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role I think they are the most in line with the nature of human beings.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:49 PM
9	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles Unless you're good looking right. The most successful men I knew were all basket cases. No in reality it has little to do with your overall attractiveness. Heck a lot of people are really good at hiding it. We only focus on the few that are incapable of doing so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:48 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Did you deliberately choose a partner who earned much less than you? "deliberately" no. She was just attractive. If she made more $ than me I would have still liked her. I'm sure it played a big role in our relationship forming though. Because she doesn't make any $. It would have been stupid to do so. We both believe in proper gender roles. It would require us to be completely different people to flip that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:45 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Cause I make way more $. I am at home with them all the time. Do you mean why I didn't quit my job? Cause I didn't want us to be homeless obviously lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:15 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role I took a week off when the first one was born. Second one is due in a month. My wife was not working for first one and plans to not work for 2 years for second one. Our situation is a little different though. Im the clear breadwinner. We're both fine with that. She does work when she can but her income is less than 20% of our household income.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:10 PM
8	When people say men’s issues are “mental health,” what exactly do men need to get mentally healthy that’s different from what women need? I imagine a big part of the issue is that women tend to be more gregarious by nature. So even though they can and will fall prey to things like video game and social media addiction. They are less likely to live secluded lives. Thus less likely to suffer all the negative consequences that come along with it. Someone who's not gregarious needs a reason to leave the house. Often for men that is chasing vagege. Which for some strange reason society looks down upon "don't go to a weaving club just t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:07 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Yes I do have kids. Cultural beliefs are rooted in pragmatism. Though the problem is pragmatism is often very state dependent and societies tend to evolve slower than the environment. For the longest women staying at home with the kids was by far the most pragmatic. But not necessarily the case now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:56 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role No. Doesn't mean it's not happening. So then how does it happen? IF men don't have some central authority telling them to collectively shit on women. How exactly does it manifest itself?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:22 PM
5	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles I don't know if they were BPD. Probably not. Just terrible people with loads of trauma. Eventually they did have long term relationships. I think he cheated on her over and over and she left him. But he could have just as easily not cheated and still been with her. I don't think most men on this sub who have trouble with women would find it terribly difficult staying faithful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:21 PM
1	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles Then it's not that different from every Red pill advice. You're just saying it in a way that makes it sound like you're supposed to accept that you will be alone forever. I don't think I've ever came across a dating advice program that doesn't focus on getting over your fear of rejection. Not even that I believe the best way for every guy is to ask out 100 women. But you couldn’t even do THAT if every single failure devastated you. That's what alcohol and other drugs are for. In my experience ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:19 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Do you think there is some secret meeting of the Mans club that decides to pay women less? That somehow has flew under the radar.... What are these jobs that men "don't want to do"? Usually that amounts to just having better options. Like Americans supposedly not wanting to do farm labor. That's only because it pays like shit relative to many other jobs. If you paid me $100 an hour consistently to pick strawberries. I'd be out there with my strawberry hat on at 5am every day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:15 PM
4	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles So then a form of immersion training? Like asking 100 women out and getting rejected 100 times. So that your dumbass prehistoric ape brain no longer treats each rejection as a meteor falling on your head. That sort of thing? I don't know if "being at peace with it" is really the best way to frame it. Being at peace with something is usually an acceptance of something horrible. It's usually the last step in a grieving process.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:10 PM
3	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role I disagree. If your argument is that some people are reluctant to hire women who may give birth. You may have a point. "taking advantage". That's what everyone does to everyone else for as long as humans have been around. Who in your opinion is not "taking advantage of others"? Where is this mystical mother Theresa?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:08 PM
5	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Sure but subjective based on millions of inputs. That's the beauty of the market it is democratized. If everyone suddenly decided that Big Macs were worth $100. McDonalds would have much bigger wages. As it stands people want to pay as little as possible for that shit. I agree that the West is absolutely going to have to do something about the fertility crisis. Between that, potential for nuclear war and global warming. The fertility crisis is arguable the most pressing. So I won't necessarily a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:05 PM
6	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Not sure about that one. You also have to consider the Variability Hypothesis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variability_hypothesis A lot more very smart men. But also a lot more very dumb men. We see that in practice as well. With women graduating from college more often and our prisons being filled with men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:01 PM
3	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Wages are based on supply/demand. So yeah more people entering the field does tend to drive wages down. Well really its Supply/Demand + value. And who said men don't parent their children? Do you mean stay at home with them when they are first born?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:59 PM
11	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role It's mostly caused by women entering low paying fields. Such as teaching and social services. Where's men prioritize higher earning fields such as STEM.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:53 PM
2	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles You said "be at peace with it". That's what be at peace with it means. Just sit around all day and do nothing about it. Which probably means watching twitch all day lol. Males and females are attracted in different ways. Males: (on average of course) Physical appearance Females: (on avereage) Looks, Money and status. By moving overseas you are tremendously improving your money and status. Would be akin to some obese American woman flying to some country and instantly losing 200 lbs as soon as sh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:48 PM
-3	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Once you pair bond. As long as it doesn't fall apart (the bond). You don't want to leave your partner even if they are earning less than you. Just like guys often don't leave their woman when she gets fat. They probably met in college or when they were younger. Where the earning potential isn't quite set and you're basing things more on potential than anything else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:44 PM
3	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles Certainly not by sitting at home all day... Cause that's what you're saying when you say "be at peace with it". If you're a western man. By far the best thing you can do is travel and even better live in a 3rd world country. You won't seem desperate when you suddenly have a ton of options. Just have to be careful and realize 50% of the women after you are trash (gold diggers, scammers, hookers, visa scammers etc). Some guys can do just fine without moving. Just need to get in better shape and so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:38 PM
2	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles But then the advice should be "don't seem desperate". Which you know is very basic advice we give to men starting in 7th grade. We give this advice because.... well they do tend to become desperate and the only thing they can do is pretend they are not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:31 PM
-1	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles Again that's like telling a hungry person to just not think about food for a little while. Completely pointless advice. Maybe if they snort a bunch of heroin or cocaine they can forget about food. There's no feasible way of accomplishing it otherwise. Yes women tend to want a guy who is wanted by other women. Which is why desperate clingy behavior is often seen as a turn off. But it's much easier to fix that behavior or better yet go somewhere where you are actually wanted (hint hint overseas). …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:27 PM
2	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles So then what's the problem with people being motivated by a relationship or a pursuit of one?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:25 PM
9	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles The thing is our diagnosing methods are very rudimentary. So if you're constantly feeling sad because you don't have a life partner. That will likely get diagnosed as any number of things. You might even get some shit prescribed. Getting with a quality partner will instantly fix all those symptoms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:24 PM
1	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles Stupid terrible advice. We are all subject to many external motivations. You're hyper focusing on one specific motivation which is pair bonding and having a family. Which is an extremely strong drive for many people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:21 PM
16	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles Nonsense. The loneliness IS THE PROBLEM. If you remove the loneliness. Everything starts to fix itself. They already dealt with it by being with you in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:20 PM
6	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles The most successful guys I knew were basket cases. But they had looks and charm to boot. They could have kept any number of those girls around if they wanted to. Despite their shitty behavior. The key to finding a quality partner is improving your own quality. Not fixing something that likely gets fixed by being in a relationship in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:18 PM
7	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles Don't you know true self delusion is the sexiest attribute. (sarcasm)	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:15 PM
4	Getting good sex is immensely beneficial for your mental health and sometimes getting into an exciting relationship CAN solve your mental health struggles Bullshit. bullshit. Bullshit and more bullshit. What you're saying inadvertently is "just sit at home all day and it will come to you". Because for a lot of guys if they are not out there chasing vagege they have no reason to ever leave the house. Chasing vagege doesn't always mean actively pursuing it. It can mean going to the gym and doing shit just for the sake of being social. But you sure as hell never want to be "at peace with it" thats the worst advice ever. That's how you get suicides an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:14 PM
–	Post Walls are causing men to be depressed by being unattractive. Seeing post walls lowers men’s testosterone levels, which in turn causes depression. Anecdotally I've hung around a lot of black dudes. Per capita they do seem to be into "bigger" women more often. Obviously not all of them and not even most of them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:14 AM
–	Post Walls are causing men to be depressed by being unattractive. Seeing post walls lowers men’s testosterone levels, which in turn causes depression. I know that yo yo dieting is the only thing that works for me. But you're right I've never been obese. Slightly overweight is more like it. Trying to do it slowly is just torture. But doing it fast actually works.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:57 AM
–	Post Walls are causing men to be depressed by being unattractive. Seeing post walls lowers men’s testosterone levels, which in turn causes depression. Russias fertility rate was shit long before they started a bunch of useless wars. That didn't help of course. But it's not the primary cause.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:50 AM
–	Post Walls are causing men to be depressed by being unattractive. Seeing post walls lowers men’s testosterone levels, which in turn causes depression. The core component of yoyo dieting is severe calorie restriction. If you yo yo a couple of times and then on the 3rd time figure out how to keep it off. By just committing to going to the gym and not eating like a fucking pig. That's still yoyo dieting in most peoples eyes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:48 AM
–	Post Walls are causing men to be depressed by being unattractive. Seeing post walls lowers men’s testosterone levels, which in turn causes depression. The argument isn't we should be shaming people for anything. The argument is that nobody should be celebrating being fat. Anymore than people should celebrate smoking cigarettes or getting blacked out drunk.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:47 AM
–	Post Walls are causing men to be depressed by being unattractive. Seeing post walls lowers men’s testosterone levels, which in turn causes depression. But there are also specific patterns. Yes there are some women that are into 5 foot guys. But for every one of those there is 100 that prefer taller men. Fat women is one of those. Sure there are some guys into them. But ask any fat woman. They are few and far in between. Black men tend to be into fat women more often... Probably a genetic thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:46 AM
–	Post Walls are causing men to be depressed by being unattractive. Seeing post walls lowers men’s testosterone levels, which in turn causes depression. Yes but the problem is yo yo dieting actually works. The trick is figuring out a way to keep it off once you get to the skinny stage. Which basically requires you to have a long term gym going habbit. Which is very good for your heart. You use the first part of the yoyo to get skinny. But you don't let yourself get fat again.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:44 AM
–	Post Walls are causing men to be depressed by being unattractive. Seeing post walls lowers men’s testosterone levels, which in turn causes depression. A very small % of men are genuinely attracted to fat women. Weird niches have always been popular. If you looked at porn you'd think regular men were into midgets, puking and all kinds of other weird shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:43 AM
–	Post Walls are causing men to be depressed by being unattractive. Seeing post walls lowers men’s testosterone levels, which in turn causes depression. The fertility rate in Russia sucks. So maybe "high T" isn't all it's cracked up to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:37 AM
–	Post Walls are causing men to be depressed by being unattractive. Seeing post walls lowers men’s testosterone levels, which in turn causes depression. and not to participate in unhealthy behaviors like yo-yo dieting. That's a lot better than always being fat. You always have the option to not go back to being fat once you've lost the weight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:37 AM
–	Post Walls are causing men to be depressed by being unattractive. Seeing post walls lowers men’s testosterone levels, which in turn causes depression. The average guy has no interest in a fat woman. Sure some guys genuinely like them. There is also a lot of guys who dumpster dive and just take anything they can get. Even though they are not particularly attracted to them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:32 AM
–	Post Walls are causing men to be depressed by being unattractive. Seeing post walls lowers men’s testosterone levels, which in turn causes depression. So it's not 1) Living secluded lifestyles 2) Consuming large amounts of internet porn from the age of 12 3) Playing video games all the damn time 4) Not leaving the house 5) Not having any hobbies with any women around No no it's none of that. It's old bitches wearing dresses. Which honestly I don't even see that much. Perhaps I just don't notice them. Which I think most guys don't notice them lol. She'd have to be working really hard to get my attention for me to even look her way. Our homes ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:29 AM
1	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women sure who is denying that? I don't see how it's relevant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 02:26 AM
1	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women How is that relevant to anything? The whole point is that sexual contact and especially pair bonding is a psychological need. Not one that you can just turn off willy nilly. Telling men not to "put pussy on a pedestal" or whatever. Is akin to going to a country full of starving people and telling them that there is more to life than food.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 01:47 AM
1	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women But that doesn't matter. Not everything that is instinctually a need is automatically going to kill you. You can live entirely on your own on a deserted island. Eventually you'll go insane from a lack of human contact. Sure you'll survive but nobody wants to live that way. It works the same way with this. Yes you can exist that way. You can exist without eyes or ears or balls or whatever. But no one wants to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 01:38 AM
2	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women The species can't survive without reproduction. It is a need for the species. Which is why most humans and really most animals highly prioritize reproduction. I didn't put them on the pedestal. Nature did. Your beef is with the flying spaghetti monster.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 10:15 PM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. I'm a man lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 10:14 PM
1	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women Im married with kids. No obviously if you had to choose between sex and food you'd choose food. Just like if you had to choose air or food you'd choose air. Just because there is a hierarchy doesn't suddenly make it not a need. Or your brain perceive it lik ea need.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 10:13 PM
2	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women Yes through will power you can ignore your natural programming. That is how people lose massive amounts of weight. By fighting their urges. The argument isn't that you can overcome them. The argument is that they are there to begin with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 10:11 PM
5	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women We're not beyond shit. We're still animals. Even if people don't like to believe or think about it that way. Try not eating for a few days. See how "beyond" your hunger you get.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 12:36 PM
2	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women This is a pointless outlook though. You can tell someone to stop being hungry. But that's not going to do anything. That is just how they are programmed. I'm admitting that reproduction is the goal. I'm admitting that puts a ton of emphasis on women. Women put a ton of emphasis on it too, just in a different way due to differences in biology. The whole "we're not slaves to it" try not eating for 2-3 days. You'll quickly realize you are absolutely a slave to your instincts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 12:35 PM
2	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women I'm talking about instincts not conscious choices. Your brain puts a gigantic emphasis on reproduction. A healthy brain anyway. It's not something you choose. Not something you're taught. It's just how us and pretty much every other animal on the planet are wired.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 12:21 PM
2	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women It is a necessity. Your brain treats it as such. For a simple reason. A species can't survive without reproducing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 12:13 PM
–	How would you feel knowing your daughter has done all the naughty things you did with other women? Indifferent. She's going to do it. She's a human after all. I'm far more worried about her doing the other dumb shit I did growing up. I'm lucky to still be here. The sexual stuff is the least of my worries.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 03:52 AM
17	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women I think a lot of what is perceived as "blindly seeking female approval" is just men doing the best they can to be desirable. Often bungling it and achieving the opposite.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 02:08 AM
5	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women But they have no desire for it. It's like.... If I had to have sex with a guy to produce a kid. I probably wouldn't have kids. Because I have 0 desire to have sex with a man. I have no attraction whatsoever to the male body. And it's not something I could just magically turn on. Same goes for asexual people. Maybe technically they can. But they probably won't. And that is a major limitation. It is a "hindrance".	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 02:04 AM
4	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women It is needed for survival. Our instincts don't care about us as an individual. They evolved over millions of years. Our instincts guide our behavior. If a human ape does not obsess about reproduction. It will not survive. You can not survive your generation if you don't reproduce. A species can't survive if it doesn't reproduce. The reason we treat sex, pair bonding and having children similar to air, water and other things we need to survive. Is because our survival really does depend on it. Ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 02:00 AM
-1	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women How are they not hindered? They have no desire to reproduce. That is like a critical component of being alive. Perhaps our one true "purpose" in living. If you look at it from a biologic point of view. Pretending like that's perfectly normal and no hindrance whatsoever is just dishonest. Why don't we castrate any male below a certain IQ and then just say "their life won't be hindered in any way".	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 01:56 AM
8	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women It acts like in some ways. If you are without food or air long enough. It becomes the primary focus of your life. Because you need those things. A relationship where you form a pair bond acts in a lot of the same ways. Except you won't die from it and the desperation doesn't set in as quickly. There are very simple biologic reasons for this. If we didn't have this drive then our race would have died out a long time ago. Imagine a bunch of lazy self serving apes with no obsessive need to reproduc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 01:49 AM
13	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women Be in a relationship with one. You guys are way too sensitive about wording.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 01:43 AM
6	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women As others have eloquently said. There are bling people out there. Doesn't mean we should scoop our eyes out lol. I couldn't have said it better myself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 01:42 AM
22	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women Having a woman is like air or food. Most of us have plenty of air and food. So we don't really about it all that much. It's just there. But if you ever had a shortage of either. It becomes rather important. Now obviously being alone is not going to kill you. And the sense of dread and desperation doesn't set in nearly as quickly. But it's really the same thing. About the only thing men can do is drugs or self castration in order to make it go away. Otherwise it's just a natural biologic urge. Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 12:59 AM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. I dont think hypergamy is wrong. Heck I think everyone is hypergamus. Including men. I think what they are really observing is the differences in how males and females select partners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 10:33 PM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. No I mean if it's not up and across. What would the women who already have money, status and looks do..... If you're already maxed out on all fronts..... I'm asking your understanding of the idea you are refuting. If you don't understand the idea and instead refute some false interpretation of it. That is called a straw man. Sometimes intentional. Maybe in your case unintentional .	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 10:31 PM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Im sure there are anti-vaxer, kkk and flat earth groups too. A bunch of nutty morons on the internet doesn't prove anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 10:29 PM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. I disagree. I married someone who made WAY LESS $ than me. I could care less. I'm sure there are some guys like this. But its not our default nature.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 12:15 PM
-1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. so what do women who already have looks and money/status do then? People focus on the "up" part for various reasons. You do it as a straw man. Incels do it as a personal grievance. But it's always been up and across.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 12:09 PM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. When I'm low on vitamins. My doctor prescribes me vitamin pills. So unless my doctor is a scammer.... I'd say they do something. I read stats like "54% of Americans read below six grade level" and I think back about my public school experience. The teachers did the best they could. But the kids were just.... not there to learn. Kids (including me) just didn't give a fuck about school. It was a boring chore. They often did just enough to pass. Which wasn't really a lot since the curriculum is wat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:47 AM
2	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. I play with her all the time. She doesn't like to play with momma. Papa is for playing with. Mama is for kissing and cuddling. To me the line between addiction and habit is very blurred. I was addicted to the internet as a kid. Did all sorts of bad things online (hacking and such). But now I'm an IT professional and I learned all of it on my own. I have no degree whatsoever. I call gym addiction an addiction due to the chemistry involved. People get hooked on the feel good chemicals released in …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:44 AM
-1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. My daughter has access to any toys she wants. Yet she prefers the dolls and the babies. I think it's more innate than anything else. Males and females have different attraction switches Males: Primarily on signs of genetic health, physical health and fertility. AKA physical attractiveness. Females: A combination of physical attractiveness, money and status. Females are different due to pregnancy. Now that "money and status" can manifest itself in all kinds of ways. Some women are really attracte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:41 AM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Low IQ does not cause poverty - social darwinism has been thrown out of the window for quite some time. How do you figure? We had people at Wendy's that couldn't figure out how to run sandwiches after months of training. They were outliers even there. But how on earth do you expect someone like that to ever make a decent living? They pretty much have to work at some government job that prioritizes just paying people over getting anything done. Not hard to see how a large % of people like that wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:35 AM
0	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Yes I got 2. Well 1 is already born and one almost there. I only say the word "addiction" to parallel it with the gym addiction. People get addicted to going to the gym. But in almost all cases it is very very very good for them. Nobody is going to shit on you for being in great shape. Parenting is a lot like that. It's a ton of work. But it's very rewarding.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:24 AM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. I never said it had to be a full time role. You can both have a job and be a mother. That's what daycares are for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:22 AM
-1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. It's the other way around. Low IQ causes poverty. Unless they are malnourished or something. Which is very rare. Your parents to have to be fucking crackheads for you to be malnourished living in America.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:22 AM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Poverty doesn’t help its victims embrace good decision making. Poor people have the most kids to temporaryily bring fulfillment to their life, to try and get more government assistance, to follow religious beliefs, or because they have abysmal sex education (I’m sure there are more reasons). Just lazy impulsive decision making. The same reason they are poor to begin with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:16 AM
-1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Your children is what gives you massive amounts of dopamine. It had to be that way. Otherwise parents wouldn't have taken care of their kids back when we lived in the jungle and everything was significantly more dire. When starvation and other maladies were very common. Without that big dopamine hit you get looking at your kids. The human race would have ceased to exist a very long time ago. It's like going to the gym. A very good addiction to have. One that is very natural and very good for you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:15 AM
0	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Everyone tells each other. That's what we call culture. You made an interesting point. Maybe some innate survival drive is making women choose career. I'll have to think about that one. But yeah generally speaking our culture needs to go back to praising mothers. Praising families. Praising married couples raising children together. And prioritizing forming families. Because it's the bedrock of our civilization. It's not just women. Both men and women should be prioritizing it heavily.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:09 AM
-2	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Yeah but it's also a very natural and healthy drug. Like heroin only it's good for you. For obvious biologic reasons....	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:01 AM
-4	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. I think they are being misled in this way. It's no longer politically correct to tell women that being a mother is the greatest thing and that it's what they should aspire to be first and foremost.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:00 AM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Yet poor people have the most kids... They should prioritize family and children. That's one of my biggest shticks lol. They are prioritizing bullshit. A man knocking up a broke woman doesn't matter if he has a good job.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 12:59 AM
-1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. The theory of hypergamy states across or up. What you're describing is "across". Meaning you're on a similar level. So well within the framework.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 10:47 PM
-3	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Is that not the case? Women are prioritizing doing some repetitive nonsense that they hate (a job). Over having a family. All because its somehow empowering.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 10:46 PM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. "want her to" or "select based on". Those are very different things. What turns a man on is a pretty face and a nice body. Whether she has a job or not.... Yeah sure you'd prefer a chick that makes $. But it's not going to get your pecker hard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 10:23 PM
6	Reframing Rape: Why Redefining the Crime Could Serve Justice Better Uhhhhhh. Do I really have to explain this one to you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 10:11 PM
-1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. I don't think you guys get it. All these conversations are about average human behaviors. The average human male is attracted to physical appearance first and foremost. All that "cheating on pregnant wife" and "molesting ones children" is completely and utterly irrelevant. Just random bullshit that has 0 correlation to what I'm saying. Humans pair bond. Once they do they often remain monogamous and don't cheat. And surely don't sexually attack their children. That is extremely anti human nature.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 09:41 PM
0	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Yes but we're talking about sexual instincts. Those evolved over time. Most of that time spent in prehistoric times. Not in the modern world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 09:19 PM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. But if she's not physically attractive. In a lot of cases men won't even bother.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 09:18 PM
-1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. It is an innate biologic trait. Due to pregnancy. Yes it was the only way to move up in society. Yes it is in decline in the Western world. You know what else is massively in decline? Fertility....	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 09:14 PM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. If she's attractive. Men don't care where she works. A bum is usually a dirty drug addict. So yeah that's probably going to be a turn off. For a lot of guys anyway. If she's attractive she can probably still get a lot of dick even if she's a homeless junky. Thing is homeless junkies tend to look like shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 09:10 PM
-1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Yes my only motivation is my family. Pussy is kind of like the first step to all that. I don't know why King Geroge III did the things he did. Probably because he enjoyed quality pussy and having a ton of stuff. Stuff being goods and services.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 09:09 PM
-2	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. I disagree. It's a difference between how males and females select partners Males: mostly on physical appeareance Females: On a combination of physical appearance, money and status The tendency to pick partners with higher money and status is innate to females. Because of the fact that they get pregnant. The fact that they are the weaker sex that typically nurtures the children while the males fight for dominance in the tribe and amongst other tribes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 08:46 PM
-1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Yes but that's well within the realm of "hypergamy theory". If you're more attractive than her. She won't care as much about your money and status. Most guys are not that physically attractive though. Money and status is something you can achieve. Being good looking.... a lot of that is up to your genes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 08:36 PM
1	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. The link you provided tends to agree with the assertion that hypergamy is a real thing. I think it's often misstated. People have all sorts of opinions on what it means. It makes simple sense though. If you're a female you have to think long term. You get pregnant. Partnering up with some useless asshole is going to be very costly. So of course they are going to shoot either for someone more attractive then them or someone with higher money/status then them. That's just a no brainer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 08:33 PM
-2	CMV: A romantic relationship between a very rich woman and a man with an average salary is not only unfeasible, but also un-natural. Because Power = more stuff = more pussy They want the stuff and the pussy. Stanford Prison experiment has been debunked. Men are not attracted to powerful women. I mean I'm sure some are. But on average they are not. It's not something that attracts men. Men in the 1990s were not color printing pictures of Oprah to take home to masturbate to. They were printing some random naked chick who they thought was hot. HOT.... not powerful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 08:28 PM
-1	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. You sure that's not a self filtration system. Most shitty mothers are also not going to bother getting a degree. The low IQ criminally minded aggressive types.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 07:13 PM
0	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. Yes but our sexual instincts are still from 100,000 years ago. So while we adapt to the new environment in terms of producing goods and services. Our ability to adapt to the sexual environment is much worse. Because of how instinctual it is. If guys could just make themselves attracted to fat women for example.... There wouldn't be an incel movement. They would all just date fat women and not even think about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 07:12 PM
1	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. Sure. But it takes a very long time for stuff like that to adapt. Genetics changes much slower than our current environment. We're still mostly apes running around a jungle. Even though the jungle has turned into cities.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 06:44 PM
0	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. When did I say "they need a provider"? I said that the male is historically the provider in our species. That is just how our species evolved. That is what our sexual instincts are based around. That's talking about millions of years of evolution (even before we were humans with our primate ancestors). It says nothing about the current environment. We didn't evolve in this environment where goods and services are in such immense abundance (relative to our past).	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 06:33 PM
17	Reframing Rape: Why Redefining the Crime Could Serve Justice Better Sex is not just another activity. I like to use this example. I'm a landlord leasing an apartment for $2000 a month. I put an ad in the newspaper saying "2 bed room 1 bath apartment for rent $2000 a month. You can also give me a blowjob once a week and pay only $1000 a month. But you have to be physically attractive". Do you honestly believe people would ever see this as no big deal? Sex is very special. It's the only activity that can create a life. It's a deeply personal and intimate act. Pret…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 06:30 PM
2	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. It's an incredibly difficult skill to read people. Takes many years to master. A woman who can read a guy. Who understands what a good partner is. Is far more likely not to end up with an abusive pookie or some shitty guy who will not satisfy her. Career never comes first. Career is just a means to an end. A job is something they have to pay you to do. Most people enjoy raising their kids and spending time with their family (there are some that do not obviously).	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 06:22 PM
-3	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. Sure but it's a very difficult skill. If you're focusing on college. You're not focusing on "is this guy right for me". The idea is that family life comes first. Then some dipshit career. Men should focus on career first. Then family life later. As they are the provider in our species. Those are not arguments that feminists want to hear. But it doesn't make it not true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 06:11 PM
-2	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. It depends how you frame it. Let's assume 2 things are true. 1) Figuring out a good partner is a skill. It's a general socialization skill. Being able to tell if someone is lying. Being able to tell if someone is a user. If someone is truly into you. That sort of thing. 2) Family life is by far the most important thing a human will experience. Whether man or woman. Wife/Husband and kids is the primary source of meaning. So if you look at it from that perspective. Women who spend their most ferti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 05:58 PM
1	Men who say they don't care You would be what we call an outlier. I mean there are people attracted to inanimate objects. So it's not outside the realm of possibility.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/24 05:09 PM
1	When it comes to how women experience “desire,” men have to accept that “carnal attraction” is MORE than “looks” Then why didn't he say it that way? "No dude will ever admit that he is attracted to a woman because of her personality because it will make him look like a pussy" What group of idiot rejects would consider you a pussy for stating the abundantly obvious that personality matters? At the very least he worded it really poorly. If that is what he meant. Yes of course if you meet a really hot chick and find out she has 5 baby daddies and cut off the balls of her previous boyfriend. That may play a ro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 07:13 PM
0	When it comes to how women experience “desire,” men have to accept that “carnal attraction” is MORE than “looks” Yea, they are saying that to appear cool and macho. No dude will ever admit that he is attracted to a woman because of her personality because it will make him look like a pussy, especially in manosphere spaces. This implies that the personality is what matters. That is what I was originally responding to. So maybe you were way off topic to begin with. And now I'm the one with the reading comprehension problems....	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 06:45 PM
0	When it comes to how women experience “desire,” men have to accept that “carnal attraction” is MORE than “looks” Sure why not. I don't disagree. But to state that the primary source of attraction is personality is just ludicrous. If she's unattractive I don't give a damn how nice that stripper/hooker is. Personality is very secondary and can very often be completely ignored. Most women are not batshit crazy. That's the only time it can't ignored.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 05:54 PM
1	Q4M: for those males struggling with dating, would you marry Lily Phillips? They are judging her by that video. She looks pretty terrible in that. But if you google her. She looks way better when she has little or no make up on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 04:46 PM
0	When it comes to how women experience “desire,” men have to accept that “carnal attraction” is MORE than “looks” Have you ever considered that perhaps you're the outlier? We can often tell if we'd want to fuck a person without even seeing their face. Just if the backside looks good. Let alone knowing her damn personality. You think all those guys spending $1000s at the strip clubs to get vagina in the champagne room. Are doing it because they like the stripper/hookers personalities?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 04:25 PM
2	Q4M: for those males struggling with dating, would you marry Lily Phillips? She looks like absolute dogshit in that video. You should find some pictures where she doesn't have 38 pounds of make up on her face. She looks way better. A lot of these guys saying NO are full of shit in my opinion. It would certainly be a lot to overcome in the disgust factor. But ultimately she's sexy and that will get a lot of guys to forget about a lot of shit. I personally wouldn't but I'm married.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 04:05 PM
1	Men who don't want to get married, why? I didn't see it. Can you point me out to it please.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 12:46 AM
43	Why do men crave romantic interest so much? Human nature. We are programmed biologically to put tremendous emphasis on reproduction. If we didn't the human race would have ceased to exist a long time ago.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 06:39 PM
1	Men who don't want to get married, why? https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/04/20/how-the-american-middle-class-has-changed-in-the-past-five-decades/ Marriage is good for the individuals getting married as well Particularly if they have children.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:24 PM
1	Men who don't want to get married, why? https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/04/20/how-the-american-middle-class-has-changed-in-the-past-five-decades/ Look at the number of married vs unmarried Another major thing is the metrics for children. They have far less criminal tendencies, psychologic issues, pretty much better in every metric possible when raised in a household with 2 parents. Which is what marriage was originally for. Raising children together.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:23 PM
1	Men who say they don't care Studies have shown that money and status have almost no effect on male perception of physical attractiveness. But they do affect a females. So while I agree that being good looking helps. So does having money and status. And yes younger women tend to care less about it. Though if you look at who is the most successful in high schools. It's not always the best looking guys. It's the guys with the most status. Such as your football players and what not. They may be dirt poor but within that realm …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:13 PM
4	Men who don't want to get married, why? This term "codependent" gets thrown around. I imagine that the average human is "codependent". So it seems like a somewhat pointless term. Maybe you really don't need a relationship. Maybe you don't realize your problems such as anxiety, depression or addiction are caused by the fact that you don't have a family. And no one has told you (up until this very moment). Who knows...	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 04:44 AM
5	Men who don't want to get married, why? He's wrong. It's worth it. And it's worth being in relationships. Being single forever is a shitty miserable existence. You gotta remember he's telling you this as someone who got married 3 times. He doesn't know the other side because he successfully avoided it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 04:35 AM
6	Men who don't want to get married, why? The perception they are trying to create is that marriage is bad and not worth it. Yet here's a person who got married and it worked out. But yet their divorce rate is even higher than the 40% you mentioned. It is absolutely worth it. Even if it often doesn't work out. Shit if you look at how many relationships the average decent looking person is in. Almost all of them end in some sort of heartbreak for someone. But that doesn't mean they are not worth it. They are very much worth it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 04:29 AM
5	Men who don't want to get married, why? Yes some people get divorced. It happens I'm not denying it. What I was saying earlier is that the 40% figure is highly misleading. A lot of people get married twice and their second marriage works out. But because they got divorced the first time technically they have a 50% divorce rate. You see what I mean? You're absolutely taking a risk in any relationship. But marriage is something pretty much everyone should strive for. That's what I mean by the destruction of our culture. The country is m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 04:25 AM
–	Womens SMV =/= her physical attractiveness, a woman's SMV is a representation of how easily she can get a man to commit There is variance for sure. But there is also quite a bit of agreeance as well. Even among different ethnicities. There is often commonalities in what the average male and female find attractive. More males like younger women (like early 20s type) More males like women who are fit More males like women who have nice shapely ass and tits More females like tall dudes More females like guys who are well built. There are many more commonalities such as this. If you're an overweight man who's never b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 04:12 AM
6	Men who don't want to get married, why? Yep. That's the sort of stats China and Russia want to make sure you got memorized. They never mention the fact that this includes people who get married 4-5 times.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 04:09 AM
7	Men who don't want to get married, why? No I believe the recent gigantic rise in things like depression, anxiety, drug addiction is due to the fact that we're not pairing up. Which affects both sexes. And happens for a lot of the same reasons. Secluded comfortable lifestyles with minimal socializing. Along with this anti-western sentiment where it's not longer politically correct to tell people that if you want a good life you need to get married.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 03:57 AM
12	Men who don't want to get married, why? China, Russia, The far left and our own Universities. Have been working really hard to tear apart the fabric of our society. The foundation of which is nuclear families. That's the real answer. You look at any metric. Married people fair better in every way imaginable. Whether it's financial, psychiatric and especially how your children turn out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 03:28 AM
0	Men who say they don't care Absolutely. Happily married with kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 03:21 AM
1	Men who say they don't care No idea. Making $ should always be the advice given. But I never really listened to any of that crap so I wouldn't know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 12:07 AM
0	Men who say they don't care I never passed any judgement. That's just how we are programmed by nature. Why is it bad or good or whatever?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 11:46 PM
1	Men who say they don't care I would argue that mindlessly following what Society desires of you is a symptom of poor psychiatric health. If you can't deny your programming... what is the point of living? The way I see it is you're shooting yourself in the foot MAJORLY doing that. The worst part is you don't even realize it. People without a purpose in their life get into shit like drugs, alcohol and all sorts of other addictions. Yes I agree not everyone is like that. But the average person is. Kids are basically a drug. Y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 11:42 PM
0	Men who say they don't care No. It's a combination of things. We simplify it with "Looks, Money and Status". Obviously it is far more nuanced then that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 11:35 PM
0	Men who say they don't care Do I really need to add "on average" to every single statement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 09:30 PM
1	People should think about their priorities before complaining about dating. I agree lol. It pains me to death to have to pay for all of my wives pedicures and manicures. That she then has to stick in my face for me to even half ass notice. But... at the same time. A woman who obsesses with that trivial crap. Usually takes care of the more important stuff as well. So you gotta kind of take it as is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 09:20 PM
–	People should think about their priorities before complaining about dating. Yeah but they still do it. how much of an effect it has. I also forgot fucking mancure pedicure and all that bullshit	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 09:13 PM
2	Men who say they don't care See I would never marry someone for $. Not Oprah or anyone. Having to sleep in the same bed and constantly fuck a person like that.. eww. See even you. A woman who is probably a lot more on the "I want my guy to be physically attractive" end on the spectrum. Admit you would marry a very wealthy guy. Most women are closer to the middle and how physically attractive a man is, is only a part of the valuation. Sure if you're VERY attractive as a guy. Women will literally let you get away with murder…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 08:52 PM
2	Men who say they don't care https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X There is tons of studies that support this. Such as this one. If you're an average looking dude. You can go a long way having a decent career. Especially if you travel abroad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 08:50 PM
2	Men who say they don't care I use "female" because we are talking about biology. Woman used to be synonymous with female but ya know... i dont really want to get into that one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 08:48 PM
1	People should think about their priorities before complaining about dating. Right thats kind of the point. We all have our roles. We all have our struggles. We all have work to do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 08:43 PM
1	People should think about their priorities before complaining about dating. If you don't pay for the date. All you're doing is shooting yourself in the foot. Don't matter to me none. Just saying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 08:40 PM
–	People should think about their priorities before complaining about dating. Being pretty takes a lot of work. You gotta eat right. You probably have to have an exercise regiment. Women spend an insane amount of time with all sorts of female products. Hair products, skin products, teeth products, hair products, panties, shmantsies. I mean yeah if you're just naturally gifted. All that takes on a minimal role. You can come to a date unshaved and the dude is probably still going to fuck you. But that's a small % of the population.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 08:39 PM
–	People should think about their priorities before complaining about dating. Look pretty. Be feminine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 08:32 PM
1	Men who say they don't care Again I completely disagree. I'm sure SOME WOMEN are like you describe. Probably more of the reddit cohort. But human females in general tend to select differently from men. For obvious biologic differences. Yes if you go to Colombia and try to marry yourself a hottie using your money/status. Expect about 50% of the women trying to get with you to be hookers, scammers and gold diggers. But the other 50% will be just regular women who want you as their husband. I think that part is important too.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 08:30 PM
–	People should think about their priorities before complaining about dating. You know whats funny. I disagree with a lot of your posts. But I can't really find a whole lot I disagree with here. Especially the 50/50 thing. You're a fucking man. Pay for the god damn date you sorry ass bum.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 08:22 PM
1	Men who say they don't care No like I said. A human female being attracted to money and status in a male. Is just a regular human female. Not all females are like this. But a lot of them are. A gold digger is just a prostitute who will fuck the highest bidder. She's not actually trying to pair bond with the guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 08:16 PM
3	Men who say they don't care I disagree. There are multiple studies that show women rate men higher when shown different salary levels. They also show that females are 1000 times more sensitive to this information than men. It's simple biologic drive. Females get pregnant. They have to consider the quality of the partner beyond their genetic strength (physical appearance). Males not as much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 08:15 PM
2	Men who say they don't care I completely disagree. Humans are made to pair bond. And we have an incredibly strong evolutionary drive to reproduce. If you don't get married and have children. Chances are it will have catastrophic effects on your psyche later on. So if anything "not wanting kids" is a symptom of being in poor psychiatric health. Getting married is way better when you have kids. "Lifetime romantic love" is just glorification of the pair bonding instinct humans possess. Yes it doesn't always work out. But it a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:50 PM
1	Men who say they don't care hahahahaha. No I don't view her that way lol. She's the mother of my children. She's my partner in that. I spend more time with her than every other person put together. I'd gladly sacrifice my life for her or our children. I'd gladly work 80 hours a week for her. Yes her being attractive made that possible. I wouldn't feel that way about her... heck I wouldn't even be with her. if she was never physically attractive to me. Of course she knows that. She's not an idiot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:46 PM
1	Men who say they don't care Does your wife know how you view her? Yes of course. But out of curiosity. How do you think I view her?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:43 PM
1	Men who say they don't care It's really not that hard of a concept to understand. Humans are animals. We evolved in a very different environment. A lot of our instincts are still from that environment. Which is why people behave in such a strange manner all the damn time. Males were the provider and the protector. We know historically it was always the males that went to war. I explained why due to fertility and the fact that men are far better suited for it. That much is a fact. So is the fact that males are the historica…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:39 PM
3	Men who say they don't care I understand what you're saying. It makes perfect logical sense. But I dunno the whole "oh baby I love you. I want us to be together forever. Here sign this prenup". That just seems very strange to me. There is huge advantages in getting married btw. In objective metrics married couples and children from married couples fair way better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:35 PM
1	Men who say they don't care Then why did you bring up going to war? Because men always went to war. You said men are not the protector. That was my counter to that. Women aren't attracted to men who go to war. I used to put on my military uniform to go to the club. Believe me they are attracted to a uniform. They dont actually have to do anything to 'protect' to meet the 'evolutionary switch' You're losing me. We started this by discussing the provider nature of males.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:29 PM
3	Men who say they don't care Actually it's very relevant to this discussion. We're talking about attraction switches. Those are not voluntary. I don't decide who and what I find attractive. A lot of that is innate. It's wired into us from birth. The way humans evolved is critically important in understanding the dating dynamics between the sexes. We face very different pressures. The way we select is quite different.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:22 PM
4	Men who say they don't care We're talking about evolutionary drives. Whether I'm protecting anyone from anything at this very moment has absolutely no bearing on how our species evolved over millions of years. The environment we find ourselves in is very different from the one our ancestors evolved in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:15 PM
3	Men who say they don't care Nope not currently at war.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:12 PM
5	Men who say they don't care Sure. The whole prenup thing is really weird to me. If you don't trust someone why would you marry them? I suppose if I made millions of dollars maybe I'd feel differently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:02 PM
4	Men who say they don't care Probably something to do with men not getting pregnant Men aren't protecting women from anything Are you serious? Who went to war? Only a moron nation would send their females to war. Both because they are far less capable of it and because you'd lose extremely valuable fertility this way. If you lose 50% of your male population. You can pretty easily repopulate. If you lose 50% of your female population your fertility is fucked. The same reason males went out hunting while women took care of th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:01 PM
7	Men who say they don't care So why in your estimation then. Are males so much more powerful? What's the biologic reasoning behind that? If it's not to be a better provider. Which btw "protection" is part of that provider thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 05:53 PM
4	Men who say they don't care No I think women have some innate sense to leave a man if he becomes a dead beat. That doesn't make them gold diggers. I've met real gold diggers. Thankfully those were pretty upfront. They are just like prostitutes. Except you get way more time with them but they also often have stiff demands. Like $2000 a month or some shit (consistently like a salary). But they'll spend entire weekends with you. Let you take them shopping. You can fuck them a bunch of times. That's a fucking gold digger. A wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 05:46 PM
5	Men who say they don't care What evidence is that? You think men sat around breast feeding the baby while the women were out there hunting? Ok in terms of relationships. How much $ a woman makes often has very little bearing. Particularly if she is attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 05:42 PM
5	Men who say they don't care Those statements are perfectly consistent. If you don't meet a minimal threshold in appearance I won't even consider fucking or dating you. If you do. Maybe other things will come in to play. Yes absolutely that is how the human race evolved. Why do you think men are so much stronger? What do you think the evolutionary reason for that is? Because we don't get pregnant. When the woman is back in the village taking care of the younginz. We're out there chasing gazelles and warding off wolves and l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 05:30 PM
3	Men who say they don't care Sure why not. The male is supposed to be the provider.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 05:25 PM
4	Men who say they don't care That's not what that means. You're not "basing everything on looks". Looks is the minimal threshold. Other things come into play once you meet that minimal threshold. How much $ a woman makes usually plays very little or no role. Yes I married a woman who at the time was making literally 20 times less than me (different countries). And still makes 5 times less than me. We have a great marriage. It has worked out very well. Yes a real man has no problem paying for everything. That is how nature m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 05:25 PM
5	Men who say they don't care When men say "I don't care how much $ you make". That means that whether you make a lot of $ or very little. Will make no difference in whether I am physically attracted to you. Which goes a long way towards me wanting a relationship with you (whether I'm attracted to you or not that is). Now yes if you're a hooker. I'll probably nope out. But like I said before if I meet some hottie and she works at Wendy's. Her working there is almost irrelevant information. She's hot that's what matters.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 05:20 PM
5	Men who say they don't care I think we're talking about different things. Who we find attractive is not voluntary. I can't look at some dirty homeless person and snap my fingers and suddenly they look like an 18 year old Jessica Alba. It doesn't work that way. We don't choose it. But I can choose to say "I refuse to get into a long term relationship with a prostitute".	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 05:16 PM
3	Men who say they don't care Not at all. Females and males are attracted to different qualities. Males: mostly physical appearance. Females: Combination of physical appearance, money and status. Within that frame you can see why someone being attracted to you because of "money and status" is completely different from someone who says "I am willing to fuck you if you buy me shit". One is just a regular female the other is a prostitute. But regardless. Males evaluate physical appearance. If you tell me or even behave like a p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 05:14 PM
18	Men who say they don't care Because gold diggers are piece of shit. There's a big difference between a woman who is attracted to you because of money and status. That is just a regular woman. You can have a real relationship with a person like that. And a gold digger. A gold digger is just a glorified prostitute. She's useful if you just want to empty your nuttsack. But completely useless as a life partner. Caring that someone is a glorified prostitute and giving 0 innate weight on someone's attractiveness based on their i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 05:04 PM
83	Men who say they don't care Males are not attracted to money or status. If you're hot you're hot. You're not going to turn us on by making more $. It's not part of our evaluation matrix. It could play a role in determining whether you want a relationship with someone. But that's more of a conscious choice. When guys say "they don't care" they mean at the innate subconscious level. If I meet some hottie at a bar and she says she works part time at Wendy's. You're not suddenly going to see her as inferior in any way. She's s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 04:57 PM
1	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. "Women are hypergamous alpha widows who only want the top 20% of men" is red pill bullshit. I mean... if framed that way sure it's nonsense. But you're taking the most extremist fringe views and painting the entire red pill as such. When most other views are far more moderate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 08:15 PM
2	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. a lot of red pill is just common sense. that is unfortunate not always so common these days. Passport bro is just biologic arbitrage. Probably the best thing a struggling Westerner can do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 08:10 PM
1	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. It can be very useful if framed properly. Get your shit together. Go socialize. Move to another city or even country if you have to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 07:48 PM
7	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. Right in some fringe extremist communities. I'm sure a bunch of KKK people want slavery brought back as well. That doesn't really have anything to do with regular people who don't believe in batshit crazy rhetoric.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 07:34 PM
14	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. wank wank. "Beta provider". You know when I hear people say that. I think of some really hot chick telling her fat friend about some new guy she met who she likes. And he of course likes her back because she is hot. And she goes "well you know he only likes you for your body or our face. not for who you are". Her being a fat ass, very few guys like her. But in reality she is inadvertently saying 100% truth. OFCOURSE HE LIKES YOU FOR YOUR FACE OR BODY. That's what attracts men. But not women. Wom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 07:30 PM
9	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. You know I once lost like 50 lbs in a matter of months. My luck with women changed like.... I don't know it's almost like I landed on a different planet. I can't even describe it. If a guy is fat and has never been in shape. They won't know unless they experienced it. And if everyone around him is gaslighting him with bullshit. Then he may never even try.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 06:47 PM
15	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. I have seen countless people complain about not finding love. I don't think I've ever seen anyone advocating for love slavery or whatever the fuck else "owing your fulfillment" would entail.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 06:42 PM
5	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. Well for one we can be honest about it. If some guy is super fat. It may be "fatphobic" to tell him "hey have you tried losing weight". But it's exactly what he needs to hear.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 06:38 PM
36	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. This is an undeniable truth that for some reason many people on reddit choose to deny	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 06:37 PM
1	Destigmatizing sex work empowers both genders. By biological essentialism, as a man, we're supposed to go bang all the ladies we can and spread our seed around. It makes it kinda hard to do that when we're shaming the fuck out of women for being sexually open. Or pair bond. That's our second sexual strategy. To pair bond with one and raise children with her. When it comes to pair bonding. The last thing you want is a hooker or a slut.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 03:32 AM
17	Destigmatizing sex work empowers both genders. No he's saying that if you're earning so much $ doing something so simple. There is probably a catch. That catch is... it's a dirty job and many people will look down on you for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 12:09 AM
5	Destigmatizing sex work empowers both genders. I don't think it's learned. I think it's biologic. Men are naturally disgusted by women who sleep around. Why? Because you can never know who the father is. If you marry some prostitute, how the hell can you know if you're the father? In 2024 you can know thanks to technology like DNA testing and what not. But humans did not evolve in a world with DNA testing. Our instincts are primed for the jungle. In the jungle it was not a good idea to pair bond with a highly promiscuous woman. Regarding hoo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 12:06 AM
0	The way redpillers talk about girls is offensive and often just outright wrong. Depends. If you tell some 50 year old dude he can date 21 year olds. You're full of shit. If you tell some 35 year old guy he can date 25 year olds. That's perfectly accurate. Regarding Russia I'm sure they are behind the recent rise of socialism, pro-crime and pro-terrorist sentiments. This is too small fish though. It's popular online but not really that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 07:34 PM
3	Womens SMV =/= her physical attractiveness, a woman's SMV is a representation of how easily she can get a man to commit The rich can typically buy whatever they want. A good looking woman often can't find a man that wants her back. That fits her parameters. And like I said it's not like you can will yourself to find other people attractive. It's not a conscious choice. If people could just decide who to find attractive almost nobody would be involuntarily single.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 12:30 PM
1	Womens SMV =/= her physical attractiveness, a woman's SMV is a representation of how easily she can get a man to commit It is falsifiable. In fact I gave you an example. You take an obese woman and a fit attractive woman. Ask 1,000,000 guys her age "would you date her" "would you fuck her" or whatever SMV/RMV related question. The contradicting prediction would be "There is no SMV and the answers would be almost the same". The SMV prediction is "There would be a lot more people interested in the fit attractive woman".	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 12:11 PM
1	Womens SMV =/= her physical attractiveness, a woman's SMV is a representation of how easily she can get a man to commit Men have a dual mating strategy. 1) fuck fuck fuck. Invest in one or none. (meaning commit to one but cheat on her relentlessly). 2) Invest in one Both were perfectly viable in a world before DNA tests and child support. So yes if a guy wants a relationship with you. He's not going to want to share you. But guys also often fuck women just for the sake of fucking them. With 0 intention of being serious with them. Especially if they are drunk or something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 03:19 AM
1	Womens SMV =/= her physical attractiveness, a woman's SMV is a representation of how easily she can get a man to commit No offense. But you sure it was your immaturity? Men and women both are pretty bad at figuring out what the other wants. I sure as hell wouldn't take mens word for it. We're not very good at saying "I just didn't find you attractive or your sister/friend is way hotter". We'll make up some bullshit about your immaturity or pretty much anything that comes to our head at the time of the inquisition. Cause we know you don't want to hear it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 02:33 AM
2	Womens SMV =/= her physical attractiveness, a woman's SMV is a representation of how easily she can get a man to commit Fair enough. Though I would say immaturity is something men will accept much faster than those other things you mentioned. Especially plus sized and older.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 02:25 AM
4	Womens SMV =/= her physical attractiveness, a woman's SMV is a representation of how easily she can get a man to commit She's not a 10/10. Obviously this is somewhat subjective. To me a 10/10 is a woman who is so good looking. Noone can look better than her. There may be 1000s who look AS GOOD as her. But noone looks better. There are millions of women who look better than Scarlet Johansson. When she was young and especially now that she is older.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 02:23 AM
1	Womens SMV =/= her physical attractiveness, a woman's SMV is a representation of how easily she can get a man to commit How is it unfalsifiable? You think every human female has identical Sexual Market Value? As in if you take some older obese dim witted ugly woman and compare her to some young skinny model looking chick. They will have an identical # of people who would be willing to date them or just have sex with them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 02:19 AM
2	Womens SMV =/= her physical attractiveness, a woman's SMV is a representation of how easily she can get a man to commit There are only 3 kinds of men looking for women who are mentally/emotionally immature There's a 4th kind 4) Guys who just don't give a shit. They'll take what they can get. Especially if she is kind of pretty. Women get to sit there picking and choosing "he's too immature, he's too bald". Men usually have a small number of options. So they just pick whatever looks like the best option based on the small pool of potential partners (which can often be just 1 or 2 people).	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 02:18 AM
6	Womens SMV =/= her physical attractiveness, a woman's SMV is a representation of how easily she can get a man to commit Is it really easy mode though? Good looking women have a major problem. They have a hard time getting the guys they are into committing. Think about a 10/10 Chad. He's got 6s 7s 8s 9s and 10s wanting to fuck him. And he's fine fucking any of them. A 10/10 Stacy is not going to be satisfied with some 6/10 dude. She's going to want a 10/10 Chad. And that dude is very busy. So while they certainly have some advantages. I wouldn't necessarily say it's "easy mode". And it's not like you can force you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 02:06 AM
8	If women are inseparable from their nature and biological drives, is there a point in trying to be good and in trying to be more than that nature? Is there a point in trying to be good when, according to Redpill, I am inherently evil? Every human on the planet is capable of being evil. When put in the right circumstances. Very few people are "inherently evil". Certainly not 50% of the human population. If anything most of the truly "inherently evil" people on the planet are male. Our prison population can attest to that. I don't put any stock in religious fairy tales. So not really sure how to address that. Just go find yourself a good hus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 01:20 AM
–	Being attractive as a man is too complicated and very rare It's not rare at all. Any class room with 30 or so students. Will have 3-4 good looking guys who all the girls fantasize about. You're way exageratting the requirements. On top of that as the women get older. They get wet for other things besides looks. Doesn't mean you can be ugly. But average looking guys with a lot of charisma, talent, money or status. Tend to do really well after about 20 years old. Even if they are not particularly great looking. Guys in high school with a lot of charisma a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 01:11 AM
16	If women are inseparable from their nature and biological drives, is there a point in trying to be good and in trying to be more than that nature? Should I (29F) be generous and honest when, at my biological core, I am greedy and deceptive? I think that's a mischaracterization of your biological core. Everyone is capable of being greedy and deceptive. Most people are also capable of pair bonding and having a loving relationship. One that benefits and satisfies both parties. Is there a point in maintaining integrity in any area? If you want a real relationship absolutely. Lying is very bad for any relationship. In either direction whether y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 12:57 AM
11	The Red Pill perpetuates itself by setting men up to fail Most moderate red pillers advocate for becoming the best version of yourself. If you're struggling with dating that is good and sound advice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/24 06:42 PM
0	Is it true that women give sex to have love? That the end goal for women is emotional bonding, not any sort of physical fulfillment? Well no shit. It's not uncommon now. But most kids do know. There has always been prostitutes and general sluts. There has always been cheating cunts. It's not really any different now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 11:38 PM
0	Is it true that women give sex to have love? That the end goal for women is emotional bonding, not any sort of physical fulfillment? See, this is an abstraction from experience. It's a broad generalization, which will apply to some men but not to others. You may be speaking for yourself here, I don't know. I don't know guys like this personally, but I'm not going to gaslight you here. I'm sure they exist in a signifiant enough number for you and others to have come to this conclusion. I have never met a guy that is not "like this". And I've had a lot of male friends. Are you female? Cause men often don't advertise this about …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 05:00 PM
1	Is it true that women give sex to have love? That the end goal for women is emotional bonding, not any sort of physical fulfillment? Contraception, for instance. People instinctively want to have sex for pleasure but they use prophylactics to prevent impregnation, unless they are ready to raise a child together. So the first mating strategy you described, doesn't really bear out in reality because our intelligence overrides our instinct to propagate unless we're ready to start a family. But we still see that behavior. Guys go to clubs and want to fuck the first hottie they meet. Regardless of anything.. we don't care where sh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 04:19 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world I don't think he came up with the Sexual Market Place. It has always been a thing. He may have been one of the first to point it out to a broad audience. It's like E equals mc squared has always been a thing. Einstein was just the first to point it out. From what I remember he was one of those guys who espoused "game and charisma" as the determining factor for your sexual success. I don't really buy that. It certainly helps to have social skills... which we've been over already. But it's far fro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 04:11 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Did you paste the right picture? I read all of that and I fail to see how it is relevant to our discussion. I'm not selling anything. I don't have a class you can buy for $9.99 and for an extra $104.99 you can spend an hour with me personally coaching you. 1) Be the best version of yourself 2) Find the place where you are wanted That is it. That is all the advice I give. I can explain what both mean in more detail. But it always boils down to those 2 things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 04:05 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world I think properly framing things helps them. "Yes socializing sucks. It's a fucking chore. It's a lot more fun to play video games". "Yes if you ever plan on having a wife or a girlfriend. You have to socialize. There is no other way to do it. Treat it like a chore. Treat it like going to the gym. Treat it however you want but you have to do it". Telling them to engulf their life in an activity they despise isn't going to help them. There needs to be a balance. One of my biggest gripes is that wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:59 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Right which is why guys who enjoy socializing usually don't have these troubles. So what's the point of trying to address them? Guys who struggle with dating are usually the reclusive type. They are capable of socializing but hate doing it. You telling them that they should learn to "enjoy it" is like telling someone to learn to enjoy running every day. I used to run all the time. I ran every day for probably 10 years straight. I FUCKING HATED IT. But I knew it had to be done. That is how you sh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:49 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Hobbies are things we do for enjoyment. That's how they enrich your life. You start playing Call of Duty (or whatever) suddenly all those pesky worries disappear. That is the value. If a hobby is just another job or chore. Then it's not a hobby at all. I treat socializing as a chore when I give advice. You have to learn to socialize. You have to spend many hours doing it. Whether you like it or not. Treat it like you do any other training... it's something you have to do. If you can find a hobby…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:42 PM
1	Is it true that women give sex to have love? That the end goal for women is emotional bonding, not any sort of physical fulfillment? That is utter fucking nonsense. We're not bonobos. We have strong pair bonding instincts. We wouldn't have those if we just behaved like bonobos all the time. There would be no sense of jealousy or parents being obsessed with their kids. There would be no "love" aka pair bonding on the emotional plane. What really happened is that adults died a lot and so did kids. So a lot of children were raised by others. But not because it was preferred. They didn't have a fucking choice. The preferred defau…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:38 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world People should have hobbies that they enjoy. What do you want them to do spend 24/7 either working or chasing vagege? I enjoy arguing with strangers on reddit and playing travian. Which I am doing now. It's ok to have things you enjoy. A lot of guys (and really people) just don't enjoy socializing that much. It's a chore that you have to do in order to find a partner. One that you MUST DO. But no one should be expected to enjoy it. So telling someone "if you're here on reddit you're not socializi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:35 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world I recognized that the market here in Gainesville Florida is fucked. Packed my bags and moved to Kyiv. Yes I learned how to socialize better. Yes I got into the best shape of my life. I did a lot of things. That is what I always preach. Become the best version of yourself and find where you are wanted. We all waste our time online.... Heck even my wife who is the biggest social butterfly I have ever met. Spends 3-4 hours a day glued to her phone on instagram. It's just our modern drug.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:24 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world I moved to Kyiv and found my wife :) All this dumb shit is behind me. I just want to help others. I think the advice given both online and offline on this matter is utterly atrocious. It completely ignores what humans really are. Which is animals. We are just animals. A little bit smarter than the rest. If you want to understand human sexuality just look at our animal nature. It's really not that complicated. Yes I agree a lot of guys on here have some extremely radical views that I myself do no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:19 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Like I said there is great utility in looking at it as a market place. Which it is. I agree that "all pills are dumb". There is slivers of truth in all of them. Looking at dating as a market just works as a framework. Because of the similarities between the 2. That mostly come from subjective value. But anyway. Enough of this. I know your opinion and you know mine. Peace out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:13 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Right........... well we're going around in circles at this point. When you come up with a real example of something that is objectively valued holla at me. Something objective is like "There is 10 apples in front of me". That is just a fact. How much you and society value those apples is entirely contingent on people's opinions on the matter. Which is always going to be subjective.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:05 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Then how the fuck do you not know that all value is subjective?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 02:59 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Yeah yeah. Go read up on economics. Particularly the subjective valuations of everything. You really need to up your game there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 02:51 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Yes and in reality all valuations are subjective. Both for goods and services and sexuality. The reason your counter argument is dog shit weak is because the real world is just not your friend in this debate. I can price myself out of the labor market by wanting $300 an hour. I can price myself out of the dating market by refusing to date anyone who is not an instagram model. I can move from Gainesville FL to Kyiv (like I did). Where the supply of attractive single women is significantly higher.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 02:47 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world You're clearly incapable of formulating a counter argument. How can anything be objectively valued? Where does the value come from? god? scarcity? The best way to summarize this conversation is: You don't understand how markets work. Which is why you don't see the enormous parallels between regular markets and the dating market. Not surprising.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 02:41 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world All value is based on personal feelings? Yeah tell that to any bank after they pull your credit score. Who determines how the algorithm works? humans. Different algorithms come up with different scores. Based on the opinions of their creators on how different things should be weighed. Furthermore your credit score depends on YOUR PERSONAL DECISIONS. You decide whether you pay shit on time. You decide whether you take out too many loans. You decide whether you max out your credit cards on bullshi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 02:34 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. All value is influenced by personal feelings. That's what I was trying to explain to you with the whole "I can say my labor is worth $300 an hour". Who knows maybe after 2 years of being homeless I will actually find someone who is willing to pay me that. Every single input requires labor. How much you value your labor is subjective. There is absolutely nothing that is objective…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 02:28 PM
-1	Is it true that women give sex to have love? That the end goal for women is emotional bonding, not any sort of physical fulfillment? People tend to over complicate it. Unnecessarily so. Sure there is nuances to everything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 02:21 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world How much raw materials cost depends on the scarcity of the raw materials and how much the labor costs to extract it. The labor cost is subjective based on how much the laborer values their labor. IT IS NOT OBJECTIVE. Right now I can decide that I refuse to work for anything less than $300 an hour. Go to a bunch of job interviews and demand that pay. I can go be homeless and live in a box until someone decides to meet my valuation. That is entirely subjective and I have that right within a free m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 02:17 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world That’s crap. People literally calculate out how much it costs in parts labor and time what the cost of a barrel of oil is. Same with any retail product. Same with chickens. Watch the video I posted in the other reply. All those are based on subjective valuations. At least in a free market. How much those parts costs depends on how much the part maker values his labor and how much his material supplier values the materials. All subjective valuations. The price of the barrel of oil is dependent on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 02:07 PM
-1	Is it true that women give sex to have love? That the end goal for women is emotional bonding, not any sort of physical fulfillment? Women experience pleasure from sex too. The difference you're noticing is in the nature of our mating strategies. Males have a dual mating strategy: 1) fuck fuck fuck. Random attractive women. Have a bunch of bastards hopefully some reach adulthood. 2) pair bond with one and sire several children with her. Both are perfectly viable in a world with no DNA tests or child support. Females have a singular mating strategy 1) Pair bond with a high quality partner. Now a lot of men falsely assume women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 02:02 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world reply #2 Like I said the reason you don't believe in the dating market is because you don't understand how a market actually operates. You think items have "objective value" and "objective valuations". Which only happens in super planned economies like USSR. There's a reason those places have inept piece of shit economies. Because they lose all the information subjective pricing gives us. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkPGfTEZ_r4 Here's a fantastic short video on the subject.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 01:43 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world So cost of making/growing/designing is almost always objectively priced in to every product and service. Those too are highly subjective. There is almost nothing that is "objectively priced". How much design costs depends on how much engineering labor costs. Which in turn is determined by how much demand there is for engineering based on other projects. How much growing costs. Depends on how much labor costs. Which is also determined based on supply/demand of labor. Sometimes there is a ton of l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 01:38 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world What do you think the valuations are based on in a food market? All value is subjective. It's based on what people are willing to pay for shit. If you're starving your valuation for food is going to be much higher than you on a regular day. It can even be variable for a single person. Much less a large group.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 01:30 PM
2	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Yes dating is a game that has market like dynamics. Particularly the supply and demand and subjective valuations.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 11:15 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world The sexual market place at it's core is understanding how to make yourself more attractive. That's why people are even concerned with it. There's obviously certain traits that people find attractive. That is why it is described as a "market". Certain foods have more broad appeal than others. There's a reason there is burger shops on every corner and very few carrot and onion shops. Some people have tons of broad appeal. Some have very little. Understanding why is really what people are concerned…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 06:18 PM
2	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world That's how markets work. Some items are more scarce than others. There is a limited amount of attractive vagege to go around. You arguments are very weak.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 06:16 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world If scarcity determines value then what’s so scarce about sex? We can’t make any more or something? really? Are you really asking me? Go ask some ugly guy... what's so scarce about sex. You need someone else to be interested in having sex with you. To have sex. That is what makes it scarce. It is very abundant for some people and very scarce for others. There are people swimming in pussy and guys who are virgins their entire lives. There is scarce amounts of attractive women. There is scarce amou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 05:13 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world You glossed past the most important part. So I'll reiterate. Do you believe there are people who have more broad appeal? And if so... which I think you do. Can we derive patterns based on those people? For instance if I showed you a 500lb whale and a fit woman. Could you predict which one will have a higher % of men wanting to fuck her? I hope so.... You couldn't predict whether any single person would be more interested because there are some weirdos that are into fat women. But in a large samp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 05:09 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world What is the objective value of gold? It's entirely based on how much others are willing to pay for it. If you end up on a deserted island and you are staving. I offer you a pile of gold or a big mac meal. What are you going to take? Meanwhile in the real world a pile of gold is what you'll take because a Big Mac is much easier to get. Scarcity determines value. But if nobody cares about the scarcity (as is the case with the starving dude on an island) then it doesn't matter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 05:07 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world All markets are completely subjective. Value is derived from subjective valuations of goods and services. Maybe your poor understanding of how markets operate is the reason for this strange view.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 04:57 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world You've never been to a grocery store when you're not hungry? Does the fact that sometimes people are not hungry make the market for food not a market?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 04:52 PM
1	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world I get offered food when I'm not hungry all the time. Sometimes my wife drags me to the grocery store when I'm not hungry. And I end up not buying anything and then she nags me for not having food 2 days later.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 04:50 PM
3	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world If you offer me some gourmet rice. I'll still say no. Because I don't like rice. Or if I already ate (hint hint have a girlfriend already) I may say no even if it's a delicious meal. Is this really going over your head? This is simple stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 04:28 PM
2	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world So its completely random? You don't think men and women who have more broad appeal exist? Have you ever been outside?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 04:21 PM
4	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world It couldn’t possibly be that she wasn’t into you but the hotter girl next to you was. That’s not how markets work! That's exactly how markets work. People pay $ for rice all the time. I think it's disgusting. People have their own preferences on food and pretty much every other product/service. Just like they do with partners. Maybe the hotter girl likes your rice and the other one didn't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 04:20 PM
2	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world So you are telling me we have more data on a crypt market that’s about 10 years old than “the sexual market” that every human on earth is apparently a part of? Yes because we carefully track every transaction. And we can put objective figures on them. We don't carefully track every male to female interaction. We have no means of doing that. You’re saying Sexual market is purely subjective. So by your own definitions: it can’t be real. Dude it's really simple. Some people have way more people cha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 04:13 PM
7	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Hold up, we don’t need to create estimation clones to get a credit score, a stock market value, or even an exchange rate on a Crptyo. Yet somehow this one thing that almost everyone does or is involved with since the dawn of time is “impossible to score” even tho it’s totally real? Yes because we have a lot more data on things like credit scores and crypto valuations. We can look at millions of transactions. Men don't keep track of every time they hit on someone and get rejected on some ledger. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 04:00 PM
8	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world In order to get a real score. You'd have to build a matrix and clone every human in your immediate area. Then run a bunch of simulations. That's not possible in the real world. But you can get a pretty close estimation by just going out places and talking to people. By hitting on people. By trying things like social media and dating apps (though those tend to produce very poor results for most men and even women). Of course it's subjective. All value is subjective in any market. Why is an oceans…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 03:50 PM
4	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Jesus please make your posts shorter To claim a 50/50 split suggests parity between nature and nurture. Not parity. They influence each other. More like a ying yang. Why should we prioritize outliers over the consistent, measurable preferences demonstrated in global studies? Not prioritize. Admit that they exist. Cause what happens is you tell people something like "100% of people find fit or skinny people attractive". And although its mostly true. It's not actually how the real world works. We …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 03:47 PM
15	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world So how does one get their SMV score? By going outside. Attempting to hit on people. Watching the result. Most people do this naturally and without intent. Over time and in many different interactions. Your SMV is basically answers to questions like "what % of my peers want me" and "what % of the peers I want want me back". Peers can be a wide range of course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 03:35 PM
2	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Give me a C, give me a H, give me a A, give me a T, give me a G, give me a P, give me a T. What's that spell?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 03:31 PM
7	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world “You’re oversimplifying attraction. Not everyone conforms to these evolutionary rules. Not everyone cares about youth, attractiveness, or financial stability. People fall in love for unique, individual reasons, not because of evolutionary imperatives.” I think it's important not to dig yourself into an ideological hole you can't get out of. Nurture has some influence on what we find attractive. That doesn't mean that nature doesn't play a role. But pretending like it's all nature forces us to de…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 03:27 PM
–	The disconnect between perceived SMV and actual SMV is the primary reason so many people fail in the dating world Jesus make it shorter next time. That is way too much text for a reddit post. I agree with the first bit I read.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 03:21 PM
-2	CMV: Wives should decenter their husbands and children So being an egotistic piece of shit is going to help you and your family? Somehow I doubt it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 03:11 PM
3	The delusion and ignorance of red/black pillers who compare women role in the gender hierarchy to the capitalist class The misery in post USSR countries (declining life expectancy, poverty, oligarchy) shows that capitalism wasn’t a panacea for these regions. I'm sure the fact that they are ran by tyrannical oligarchs prone to starting pointless wars with their neighbors has nothing to do with it. We've had hurricanes in Florida for as long as we've been recording history. 50 years ago people were convinced we were headed towards an ice age. Doomer predictions are also as old as recorded history. Climate Change i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 10:54 PM
3	The delusion and ignorance of red/black pillers who compare women role in the gender hierarchy to the capitalist class We are NOT. We are suffering from the consequences of that NOW! Climate change is on us. Nobody seems to notice lol. Climate change is another covid. If you live in some impoverished shithole in some flood prone plains. It may be a problem for you one day. Just like covid was a major problem for old people and people with immune system deficincies. But for most people it was no big deal. Just like climate change is and will be no big deal for developed nations. Clown argument to justify massive …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 10:35 PM
3	The delusion and ignorance of red/black pillers who compare women role in the gender hierarchy to the capitalist class Infinite growth is unsustainable in a planet with finite natural resources. What are we going to run to when we use up all our soil? When we poison all the water? We're 1000s years away from that. By then we will have the technology to survive anywhere. So it's not a problem. You act as if colonialism has NOTHING to do with it, Colonialism is just another example of a superior military force conquering the inferior. Which is pretty much the norm for all of human history up until about 200 years …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 10:26 PM
3	The delusion and ignorance of red/black pillers who compare women role in the gender hierarchy to the capitalist class You're like a socialist ChatGPT. Just regurgitating the same bullshit over and over. US has the best technology. That is why their economy is the most powerful. Go visit Russia today. Don't focus on Moscow. Go out to the countryside. Notice how insanely underdeveloped it is. Realize that it was even worse during the Soviet times. That place is a shithole. It was a shit hole. Because it had an inept economic system. That is incapable of producing wealth. Capitalism RELIES on infinite growth. Keep…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 09:22 PM
2	The delusion and ignorance of red/black pillers who compare women role in the gender hierarchy to the capitalist class Nope. The best places to live are the one's with the best technology, the best organizational structure and the best infrastructure. Along with strong institutions. USSR was the most resource wealthy country in the history of the planet. And it was a miserable fucking shithole because of an inept socialist government. Haiti has an inept government. Yes you need a capable government to have a country worth a shit. That is true for any system. Even your utopia that you made up in your head. Just b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 08:57 PM
1	The delusion and ignorance of red/black pillers who compare women role in the gender hierarchy to the capitalist class Blah blah blah. The best places to live are all capitalist nations. People who were unfortunate enough to be born in socialist shitholes like USSR, Cuba, North Korea, Pre-reform China, Vietnam, Eastern Europe can all attest to that. Minimum wage is a terrible regulation that should be abolished. China reduced massive amounts of poverty by making CAPITALIST REFORMS. They allowed private enterprise. Before that it was a miserable shithole just like all other socialist nations before it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 08:40 PM
1	The delusion and ignorance of red/black pillers who compare women role in the gender hierarchy to the capitalist class Historically capitalism has been outstanding at GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY. You always have an elite class controlling the means of production. Whether it's royalty and aristocrats like we had in medieval times. Whether it's the inefficient and inept government like USSR had. Or it's business owners who at least have to produce a viable product. Royalty/Aristocrats and the government did a very poor job of running an economy. This is why socialism has been an utter failure and why pretty much…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 07:26 PM
2	Why is it some men both simultaneously look down on women but also seem to want their approval for everything like we are their mommy? Have you considered human nature? Males seek validation from humans because we are animals and the instinct to reproduce is extremely strong. You don't eat for a few days and all you can think about is food. A similar thing occurs when you have 0 sexual validation. At the same time... you can be disgusted by those who's validation you seek behavior. The two are not mutually exclusive. I don't necessarily agree with that standpoint but I understand where it comes from. Not a contradiction at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 01:43 AM
1	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman So your counter is basically "I don't agree". Some argument.....	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/24 12:21 AM
1	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman So what part are you contending? Did you even read what I wrote?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 02:33 AM
1	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman lol. Every single fucking guy on the planet is like this. Males have a dual mating strategy. Fuck a lot of attractive women Pair bond with one. Do you comprehend what that means? That means some of them choose #1. If they can that is. But some of them choose #2. Most men end up doing #2 because it's all they can do. And it's honestly not that bad. A large % of men who CAN do #1 absolutely do. We see it all over the planet. Now what part of that are you contending? That actually leaves a very wid…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 02:24 AM
1	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman That's every guy I've ever been friends with. We are all like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 01:32 AM
1	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman You sure about that? Males have a dual mating strategy. 1) Fuck a lot of attractive women 2) Pair bond with one. Most of the attractive guys who had choices. Start out doing a lot of #1. Then get tired of it and progress to #2. Most average looking guys can only get #2. So they never #1. Not because they don't want to. They don't have what it takes. Ugly guys are happy to get anything. So yeah.....	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/24 05:58 PM
2	If you were a billionaire, would you still pursue a romantic relationship/marriage? Why/why not? Pair bonding. The answer is pair bonding. Humans are animals. We have an instinct to pair bond. You're not going to pair bond with 10,000 escorts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/24 02:34 PM
1	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman Most men are not capable of spinning plates. If they could they would already be doing it. It's a pipe dream. I mean yes I sort of did. But that kind of implies guys who want to spin plates and can... If some guy is super handsome but is happy with his gf. Obviously that doesnt apply.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/24 12:23 AM
1	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman The type of guys who get into the whole "I need to be spinning plates mindset". In their state of life. If they could spin plates. They would have done it a long time ago. Sure some guys could technically have a bunch of women but choose to just date 1 and are happy with their choice. But those are not the type of guys we're talking about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 09:49 PM
1	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman I don't. I attribute it to simple biologic drives. If you constantly starved you'd put food on a pedestal. And I disagree. If you find a woman who actually cares about you. None of what you're saying is true. That's just not always easy to find. Most guys could find it if they were capable of dropping their standards. But again going back to biology. That is much harder to do. How do you make yourself attracted to people you don't find attractive? If it was easy there would be very few single pe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 08:41 PM
0	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman Of course. Having a father and a mother gives the child a more balanced upbringing. And 2 providers is better than one when it comes to material conditions as well. The reason men put women on a pedestal is because sexuality and pair bonding is an important evolutionary drive. It's like hunger and thirst. If you do well with it. You hardly ever notice it. If you start not having enough food or water it's all you can fucking think about. They don't choose to obsess about it. Anymore than some sta…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 07:06 PM
1	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman I disagree. Nobody "raises you" to feel hungry or thirsty. It's just evolutionary drives. If our males didn't obsess with vagege. We would have died out many generations ago. The one's that already have features that women find attractive. Like attractive face, physical prowess, talent or charisma. They don't obsess about women anymore than we obsess about water when it's abundant. I think people got the relationship backwards. They think those men do well because they don't obsess about women. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 02:27 PM
2	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman I believe it's instinctual and biologic to put women on a pedestal. We put food and water on a pedestal too when those items are scarce. It's just that in our world it's vagege that's scarce not food or water. Men who don't suffer from this scarcity don't put them on a pedestal. But that's why I said "if you could spin plates you would already be doing it". No man wakes up in the morning and says "today I will put women on a pedestal". They just do because it's in their nature.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 01:34 PM
15	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman Most men are not capable of spinning plates. If they could they would already be doing it. It's a pipe dream.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 02:19 AM
41	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman Then you must live in a college town and only go to night clubs, house parties and bars. While ignoring all the girls who stay away from that shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/24 10:39 PM
71	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman All of this is only true for the 18-24 age range and even then it's more for the casual dating scene. If you want a good relationship. The last thing you want to do is "spin plates". Just find a good girl and date her. Yes there is a lot of trashy women that ain't worth the semen that comes out of your pee pee hole. But they are just a % of the population.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/24 10:19 PM
–	As a Woman, If You Want a Man to Commit, Maybe Commit to Cooking and Cleaning Yes you need water to survive... They are eating too many calories. That is how you become obese. That is literally the only way you can become obese. It's not possible by the law of physics to accomplish it any other way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/24 05:16 PM
–	As a Woman, If You Want a Man to Commit, Maybe Commit to Cooking and Cleaning Think about what you're saying. For a person to become obese. They have to consistently eat more calories than they spend. So........ They are becoming obese by eating food with 0 calories? You do realize that calories are nutritional value right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/24 05:07 PM
–	As a Woman, If You Want a Man to Commit, Maybe Commit to Cooking and Cleaning Liking someone is the baseline to a relationship. You're not going to eat food that has 0 nutritional value. Everyone "likes" their partner. Or at least they should.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/24 05:01 PM
1	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? I understand. And yes welfare queens are absolutely a thing. Which is why I said "in a married couple". Most welfare queens are not married because often they can't even get welfare if they are married. Which really fucks up those neighborhoods with so many kids who don't have fathers and mothers who just wanted them for a check. You gotta think it through. But that doesn't mean you can't create the right set of incentives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/24 12:23 AM
-3	Do you think women have an obligation or moral duty to have children? It's about the incentive structures. We should build incentive structures to encourage as many people to get married and have children. And to have many children. Whether that's through massive tax breaks. Or straight up cash payments. We need more kids. We need more mothers and fathers staying together. We need more nuclear families. Those things are great for society. The dwindling fertility problem in the West is by far the biggest problem we face. Far greater than the doomerist global warmin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/24 11:59 PM
1	Women in third world countries would behave the same as western women if they had the opportunity to The rationale is that A) You're in college surrounded by capable intelligent men. B) You're at your peak physically. Which is by far the most important feature in attracting a human male. Sure I agree an older woman is more experienced. But this is why women were taught from an early age all those things. How to spot a liar. How to know if a man is truly into you. How to know if a man ain't worth a shit. All those things were the education for most women growing 150+ years ago. Some of it was fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/24 04:06 PM
2	Women in third world countries would behave the same as western women if they had the opportunity to Why would I do any of that? Her mother had her at 31. You can have kids into your late 30s and early 40s. Of course I will tell her that in her early 20s is the best time to get married. Because that is a fact. But that's about it. First of all you say you're a red pill woman... I don't really "identify" as the red pill. I have a mixed set of beliefs. But my beliefs are most in line with the red pill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/24 10:56 PM
-2	Women in third world countries would behave the same as western women if they had the opportunity to To me a red pill man is just someone who seeks the truth. Not necessarily someone bitter or misogynist. To answer your question I hope she gets married much younger than I did and never encounters any of this stuff. I'll do everything I can to make sure she goes to a nice college with a lot of good men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/24 10:50 PM
1	Women in third world countries would behave the same as western women if they had the opportunity to I don't know I don't frequent those spots. There is crazies in every group. I'm raising my daughter in the West. I'm somewhat of a passport bro. Though I went back home to my ancestral land (I'm originally Russian/Ukrainian and I went to Ukraine). She was born in Kyiv but I'm raising her in the states.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/24 10:47 PM
-3	Women in third world countries would behave the same as western women if they had the opportunity to That's not a problem if you pick right. Also not all passport bros are "angry, mean spirited and bitter men". Some are no doubt. But then again a % of any group is like that. Overall the West is a better place to raise kids. So it's probably a good idea to come back home once you have a good stable relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/24 10:42 PM
1	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD Not at all. An average looking chick can open her legs and have dozens of dicks inserted in her. You don't need to be particularly good looking. Chances are the dicks she could have inserted in her do not interest her..... But that's besides the point. Just getting random dick is much easier for a female.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 09:45 PM
1	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD Even if the prostitute was to quit her job. They are not going to want to do it. Simply because of the ick factor.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 08:02 PM
1	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD How many men have you met who would willingly date a prostitute? And would have no qualms about it whatsoever. Just like dating a regular chick. Do guys like that exist? Probably. But they are major outliers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 07:52 PM
1	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD Yes but most women are not 8/10. And like I said if she wants to date a 8/10 guy. The same problem applies. He's not going to want to take a slut when he has better options.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 07:51 PM
1	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD Physical attraction is all that matters, slutty behavior and n-count is irrelevant in the face of that primal instinct. I disagree. Slutty behavior is going to be a major turn off FOR A RELATIONSHIP. That doesn't mean she can't get your pecker hard. But like I said you can't really know the n-count. If some former college slut stops behaving like a hooker. The guys around her who don't know any better. Will not perceive her as a slut.. And yes when you are attractive you can get away with a lot …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 07:41 PM
1	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD Case in point, the girl from my freshman year that slept with like half my dorm is now married with two kids. Why? Because humans are animals and she’s incredibly attractive. These rules only exist for conservative and insecure men who can’t get attractive, easy pussy so they have to rationalize some excuse for that. You're shocked that an attractive woman found a husband? That's like when incels talk about Chads who spend time in prison and still end up having 3 baby mamas. It's a Chad.... a lo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 07:30 PM
1	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD Reality demonstrating otherwise? Did you go to college? Did you spend time around other dudes? That were fucking girls? You really think we weren't like "ewww she's a slut, you need 2 wear 2 condoms on that shit". Or "Dude don't date her I know at least 3 other motherfuckers that stuck their dick in that, she's bad news". What reality are you looking at? The one that only agrees with you? Humans are animals. We have a lot of instinctual behavior. Furthermore looking at human animal behavior is f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 07:20 PM
1	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD I'm not arguing women don't grow out of it. Some do. Some don't. Some end up pregnant from one of their flings. And end up raising a kid their entire life by themselves. That part is rather irrelevant. When the type of guy she wants to be with see's her dressing slutty and fucking other guys. The best he will give her is some dick. The tricky part is that most women really don't enjoy short term flings. Some do. But most really do not. What they are actually trying to accomplish is get attention…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 07:07 PM
2	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD Yes and no. You really can't know the n-count. But you can infer it based on the females behavior. Which is really what we evaluate. If she's going out clubbing in super short shorts. Getting drunk as fuck. Taking a random dude home every night. You don't know her N-Count.... but you can take a gander. What a man innately doesn't want is a woman he can't trust to have his babies. Someone who behaves very promiscuously is at the top of that list.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 06:57 PM
1	Does money turn you on? We're kind of going around in circles at this point. Thank you for the discussion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 06:42 PM
3	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD I mean we can call anything a naturalistic fallacy and pretend humans have no nature whatsoever. Which is what a lot of people on reddit particularly left wingers love to do. But it doesn't make it true. Humans have a nature. Human males and human females have a nature. They are hardly ever 100% all encompassing. Meaning everyone is the same. There are always variations. There are some guys that don't care about N count. But the average man does. The average man is going to be disgusted by slutt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 06:41 PM
6	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD The point is that it's instinctual. They are not thinking consciously "she must have bad character". They just see her behavior and are innately turned off by it. Well turned off to the idea of a long term relationship. A slut can very much turn you on for a quick fuck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 06:28 PM
3	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD It's biologic. Females always know that they are the mother. A male has no way of knowing. If you're with a very promiscuous woman. You may be raising someone else's kid or kids. It's biologically advantageous to have invest in women long term that are not sleeping around. Which is why most men are disgusted by real sluts and will only give them the dick without a commitment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 06:06 PM
1	Does money turn you on? And yet female animals of all species gather resources while pregnant and nursing. Female tribal humans gather resources, sometimes with their baby strapped to them. Walking around the woods with your baby strapped to you. Exhausted and with a screaming baby. Significantly lowers your chances of survival. It's doable but not desirable. Much better to have a capable man doing it for you. Which is why humans evolved to pair bond. Along with 1000s of other species. Caring for the offspring and prot…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 06:03 PM
1	Does money turn you on? If you wanna play that game, if you take 1000 females who do not partake in resource acquisition and gravitate towards males who do it for them, and 1000 that acquire their own resources, the latter and their offspring are much more likely to survive into the future because the tribe as a whole wouldn't be obtaining enough resources to survive. But nobody is playing that game. If the women who acquire resources are more rugged and more masculine. They will be less physically attractive to the ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 02:09 PM
1	CMV: "Friend-zoning" is judging a woman for her right to say "no", slut shaming is judging a woman for her right to say "yes" So basically some men put themselves there. The actions and behaviors that show romantic interest are vastly different from how one shows platonic interest. Just as some men say they aren't mind readers, women aren't mind readers either, and don't know the interest a man has in her when he's not direct. Yes they are taught a bunch of horseshit about how if you want a woman to like you. Spend a lot of time with her. So they do that. And get friendzoned. Basically just a result of the shitty advic…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 03:32 AM
1	Does money turn you on? ahhhhhhhhhh I just read you're "Far left". That actually explains everything. It's simple evolution. You have 1000 females who are only attracted to physically attractive men. And you have 1000 females who are capable of being turned on by both attractive guys and high status guys. Over many generations. Which group of human females is more likely to pass on their genes? Probably the more dynamic kind. Where's for males. That pressure didn't really exist as much. Which is why we tend to care a l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 03:24 AM
1	Does money turn you on? IDK if best looking, but ideally someone physically desirable and also able to care for and protect the offspring, which is why males have hormonal changes upon becoming fathers. Then you have to recognize that humans have hierarchies. In todays world money and status are almost synonymous. The term Hypergamy actually comes from India where they have strong castes. And it is not easy to move up from caste to caste. The best way to accomplish that was to marry and have children with a male from a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 03:00 AM
1	Does money turn you on? Evolutionary that makes absolutely no sense. You agree that humans tend to pair bond. So what you're saying is that human females would pair bond with the best looking guy they can find. Regardless of whether he was worth a shit. Despite the fact that they would eventually find themselves helpless with a newborn and depending on that guy to survive. For at least 6-12 months. Yes yes I know the tribe would help. But really the tribe was often broke as fuck and half of it was starving. If you didn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 02:47 AM
1	Does money turn you on? Does that actually make sense in your head? So you have some village. You have one guy who built his own hut. Constantly brings home a ton of meat. Has high social status because of his hunting ability. But he's average looking. You really think that is not going to improve his ability to get a higher quality partner? Does that really square in your head? Honestly what the hell is the point of busting your ass like that.. if it's not going to lead to vagege... You're a guy right? Certainly you h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 02:31 AM
1	Does money turn you on? And like I said "we don't need" a lot of things. But they make our lives and our likelyhood to survive a lot better. We don't need antibiotics. But 50% of the population would probably be dead very quickly if they dissapeared. Having a pair bonded partner helps a lot with raising your children. Helps you and them stay alive. I think the big part you're missing is that once people become emotionally attached. They become more attractive towards each other. I experienced this when my wife gained a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 02:22 AM
5	CMV: "Friend-zoning" is judging a woman for her right to say "no", slut shaming is judging a woman for her right to say "yes" Of course a friend zone exists. Females simply often don't realize that the guy who "wants to be their friend" just wants to be in a relationship with them. A true platonic friendship between a male and a female is quite rare. In most cases one or the other wants a romantic relationship. Like others have said females get friend zoned as well. Though not as frequently. Regarding slut shaming. It's just society trying to warn people not to behave in a self destructive manner. If you want guys to t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 02:17 AM
1	Does money turn you on? Resource acquisition was not solely about size or strength. It was something that required a level of cooperation. It was simply a biological reality that all adult males and females needed to assist with if the tribe was going to survive. It is an inconvenient and corrosive truth to your ideology that modern tribal females still forage (and to a lesser extent hunt), in some cases with their baby strapped to them. Does that mean that they are as big and strong as males? No, but it means they are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 02:08 AM
1	Does money turn you on? I reject that notion because it goes against the realities that I have witnessed and experienced and the conclusions I have reached. Again, prehistoric females, modern tribal females, and female animals acquire resources on their own and have never needed males to do it for them. But that's total nonsense. You do realize that right? A female out in the wild by herself. Will absolutely get fucked. Humans survived in groups. And raised their children in breeding pairs. Just like we do now. And yes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 01:36 AM
1	Does money turn you on? Why don't you link a study about males rating females with/without shaved legs? Shaved legs are just more feminine. It won't make that big of a difference. Feminine aka youth aka fertile. It is somewhat innate. But it won't turn a 5/10 into a 8/10. It might make a 4.8 into a 5/10. Why do you reject that notion? It seems almost ideologically driven at this point. Like maybe you're some sort of socialist and hate the idea that humans generally speaking form hierarchies. Which includes sexuality. M…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 01:18 AM
1	Does money turn you on? Right and this is why I say we disagree about how the female sexuality works. You think it's exactly like males. Where's a male can only be turned on by you if you are physically attractive. And the same for females. I'm telling you that is not the case. Females tend to evaluate the whole package. Not even consciously. They do this from a basal innate level. This is why most guys can tell you right away if they would fuck a woman. Where's a woman only can tell you that if a guy is really good lo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 01:01 AM
1	Does money turn you on? The reason I keep mentioning the black pill. Is because the core of the black pill is that females are mostly driven by physical appearance. You may not share some of their other cooky views. Such as deep hatred for women and what not. But you sure do repeat their ideology a lot when it comes to that. If you go to Colombia. You will suddenly have 100 attractive women chasing after you. The real number will be in the 1000s but let's only focus on 100 attractive options. Who cares about the ugly o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 12:43 AM
1	Does money turn you on? That's not how humans operate. We are tribal species. We cooperate. A single human male would get absolutely demolished by a bear or a tiger or a wolf. But a group of humans will murder every other predator in the vicinity because of how much smarter we are. But that only works when we cooperate. So no when talking specifically about human males. Your #1 and #2 make absolutely no sense. Often said "average looking dude" isn't particularly rich either. But he's a good and caring dad and so an ide…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 12:30 AM
1	Does money turn you on? Ok so this is the big point I completely disagree with the black pill guys. Human males have a DUAL mating strategy. 1) fuck fuck fuck. Invest in one or maybe none. Just impregnate a bunch of women and let the chips fall where they may. If you impregnate 10 women and only 2 of them survive. You're still reproducing. 2) Invest in one. Sire several children with her. Those are both perfectly viable in the wild where there is no child support. Females have a SINGULAR mating strategy. 1) Find a high…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 12:18 AM
1	Does money turn you on? Again having 2 parents is beneficial to a childs ability to survive. Heck even today having 2 parents is extremely beneficial to the child. It was even more so 10,000+ years ago So you're essentially selecting a partner to raise children with. Not someone to deposit cum into your vagina and then bounce. If they were just selecting guys to nutt in them. I agree it would be 100% looks and fighting ability. The way it is for many non pair bonding species. Where the males fight to the death to impre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 12:09 AM
1	Does money turn you on? So why are you so opposed to the idea that females select for Looks + Money + Status Money + status = ability to provide. You select for ability to provide because it is massively beneficial when you are constantly starving and constantly don't have shit to wear, constantly being attacked by other tribes and other animals. Why does this idea seem to offend you? At least in how you respond. You correctly pointed out that female and male sexuality is quite different. So it seems like we disagree o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 12:03 AM
1	Does money turn you on? Some women say that, just like some men say that wouldn't date a woman who doesn't shave her legs even if she was otherwise attractive. It's just conditioning. Doesn't mean it represents the species. Right this is where we disagree. You have the same fallacious idea in your head that I had about 5 years ago. Before I got married and got to hang around a bunch of females. That female and male sexuality is almost the same innately. We're just conditioned differently. That is completely and utterly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 11:50 PM
1	Does money turn you on? For the same reason that's true for males of every mammal species, because a big part of male reproduction required males to fight off or kill rival males for access to females. Nothing to do with their abilities to provide, which females are perfectly capable of doing themselves. It's both. Males are significantly better at fighting. Males are significantly better at hunting and other resource gathering. Doesn't mean females can't do it. Males are much better suited for it. But that's not a des…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 11:40 PM
1	Does money turn you on? Yeah that's nonsense. Nobody is saying looks don't matter. But that's not the only things that matter. Why do you figure human males are so much more powerful and have such better stamina? What is the nature reason for that according to your world view? Clearly males are significantly better suited for resource gathering and fighting for resources with both other males and other animals. Of course the ability of the male to provide for the family is very important. Think of it from an evolutiona…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 11:27 PM
1	Does money turn you on? The hell that got to do with anything? Fact is their pair bond. Obviously the females also contribute. Nobody is saying they don't. Their pair bond because it is extremely beneficial to have both a male and a female highly invested in the survival of the children. It makes the new generation more likely to survive. Nobody said that females CANT obtain their own resources. But that by no means disputes the fact that kids raised with a father are significantly better off. Heck even the modern time…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 11:16 PM
–	Does money turn you on? And yet female animals obtain their own resources, even while pregnant and breastfeeding. You missed the part about humans pair bonding. What do you think love is? Just an instinct to pair bond. I even gave you a wikipedia article. In case you haven't figured it out for yourself by observing other humans. You know the mothers and fathers who raise their children together. All across the planet. That's called pair bonding. It's an innate human behavior. We know it's innate because 1000s of other …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 11:07 PM
–	Does money turn you on? Why does gender egalitarianism even matter? We're talking about human nature. You think gender egalitarianism was the norm for humans throughout history? Yes indeed a lot of couples are looks matched. I agree. However when you do see slight discrepancies. It's almost always the girl who is better looking. Not the guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_bond Humans and 1000s of other species display what is called pair bonding. We call it "love". It's an emotional attachment we form towards our m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 10:59 PM
–	Does money turn you on? Real life is not your friend in this argument. Travel to Kyiv. Observe all the "average guy" + "hot chick" couples. You will see dozens of them just walking around. All it takes is paying attention. Which part exactly are you contending is not true?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 10:50 PM
–	Does money turn you on? It has never been debunked. By whom? Women stating otherwise?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 10:28 PM
1	Does money turn you on? The proportions are totally different. For every male prostitute there is 1000 female prostitutes. So yes there are some dirty low down men who date women for $. But it's not very common. Because it's just not attractive to us one bit. And that's all those guys are. Just long term male prostitutes. Like their female counterparts. Yes it does happen. But it happens FAR FAR more with females.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:57 AM
0	Does money turn you on? You don't seem to have much of a counter argument. Males = (on average) attracted to physical appearance Females = (on average) attracted to SOME COMBINATION of looks, money and status Some combination is important. Because a lot of Western women tend to value looks far more than women around the planet. But they still care about all 3. Where's men don't care about money and status at all. This is very very very well documented. You can find 100s of studies that support this. https://www.science…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:51 AM
4	Does money turn you on? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH No buddy. North Korea is significantly worse. There is a big difference from eating Pizza and Burgers all day long. Because you're a glutton and only eat shit that tastes good. And fucking starving despite busting your ass 6 days a week 10 hours a day. Because your country is a poor miserable shithole that is incapable of mass producing anything. Due to a horrific economic policy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:49 AM
2	Does money turn you on? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. So yes if you're an average looking dude and you want a horny attractive woman in your bed who wants to fuck you. Making more $ will go a long way towards that. It's probably not the $ itself that is turning her on. But does it really matter?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:46 AM
-1	Does money turn you on? It's pretty well documented. And can be readily observed all over the planet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:43 AM
2	Does money turn you on? I don't think anybody is saying that $ functions as a nice ass or something. That turns a woman on. A man with $ however is a sign of a good provider. Which can turn a woman on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:40 AM
2	Does money turn you on? Nobody is arguing that nurture doesn't matter. But if someone is ugly that is a sign of bad genetics. Because of how highly heritable physical appearance is. Yes of course people attractive genes are probably not going to look all that attractive if they grow up in a North Korean communist famine or have some horrific disease in their childhood.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:38 AM
0	Does money turn you on? Yes I do. Go hang around some Kazakh or Uzbek couples. The woman will have like 3-4 kids. She loves the husband. Takes care of the house. Takes care of the kids. Doesn't fuck around. Doesn't really argue. Yes those women trully love their man. It's called pair bonding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_bond A trick nature pulls to get us to raise our kids together. Highly effective. But you're not going to get a man to love you if he's not physically attracted to you at some point. You just won…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:34 AM
7	Does money turn you on? bwhwahahahahaahha I assure you it's not the $ that makes her attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:31 AM
1	Does money turn you on? There is 1) Gold diggers. Which are basically just longer term prostitutes. They don't offer actual relationships. They don't offer any emotional value. You're probably not going to have kids with them and you really don't want to. 2) Wives who marry guys that they are attracted to for status/money. They actually love the men. They have kids with them. They build them a home. They raise the kids together. They have a real family. Those are very different things. #1 is an absolutely useless terd.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:22 AM
3	Does money turn you on? Yes but physical appearance is highly heritable. If you have an ugly partner. The odds of you having ugly kids is significantly greater. Obviously outliers exist in everything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:20 AM
1	Does money turn you on? It’s a falsehood that men don’t chase rich women’s fortunes just like the other leeches. It's kind of like male prostitutes. Sure they exist. But for every male prostitute in Miami there is 1000 female prostitutes. The fact that it happens with both sexes. Doesn't mean the behavior and nature of the sexes is the same. I also would not want to be a woman with a male gold digger. Females are attracted to status and wealth. MEN ARE NOT. They are just fucking using you. Those are probably some miser…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:15 AM
4	Does money turn you on? Studies have showed that having a bigger salary does make you more attractive. It won't turn some ugly neckbeard into a Chad. That's not how it works. But it does wonders for otherwise average men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 02:08 AM
0	Does money turn you on? If money turned women on then the vast majority of women would be too focused on building a lucrative career to pursue relationships. That is exactly what is happening. It's not the $ itself that turns you on. Women are biologically wired to seek a good provider for the family. Because women are very fragile when the baby is born and about 6 months after. It greatly benefits to have a capable partner. Both the child or children and the mother. That doesn't mean he can be ugly. Ugly man is a sign…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 01:58 AM
–	Would you date a broke woman? It's cliche because it's true. Men don't give a shit about how much $ you make. If you're attractive... you're attractive whether you have a career or flip burgers at Wendy's. If you're not attractive then it doesn't matter at all how much $ you make, you may as well be a dude. It's not that "we want to date broke women". We just don't care. It's not something we select on at all. WOMEN SELECT ON THAT not men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 01:48 AM
–	Would you date a broke woman? Like Katana said. That is something I would probably say to my wife as well. But it's bullshit. If she wasn't pretty it wouldn't matter if she was a neurosurgeon. Because she was super pretty it really didn't matter where the hell she worked.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 01:45 AM
1	Would you date a broke woman? There's only one question that matters. "Is she hot?". If yes everything is forgiven. If no then none of it matters. I'm amazed how much women overcomplicate male sexuality. It's really that simple.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 02:07 AM
1	Would you date a broke woman? The size of a woman's wallet has 0 effect on our attraction to her. She's either hot or not. If she's hot doesn't matter if she's working at Wendy's. If she's not doesn't matter if she's a neuro surgeon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 02:00 AM
33	Invisible women exist just as much as invisible men. I grew up around a couple of Chad guys. They were attractive and very athletic. The women they often took home when drunk as fuck. Were uhhhhhh not the greatest looking. But they were just very horny and enjoyed the attention. They treated those women like utter shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/24 06:46 PM
4	Invisible women exist just as much as invisible men. So could most dudes if they were willing to date women who were way less attractive than them. But it's not a particularly good solution. Because nobody wants to be in a relationship with someone they have 0 interest in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/24 06:38 PM
23	Invisible women exist just as much as invisible men. Relative to her they might be more attractive than her. But they won't get into a relationship with her. In fact will likely treat her like trash or totally ghost her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/24 06:34 PM
66	Invisible women exist just as much as invisible men. I think because most of these women could get dick easily. If that's all they were looking for. For men just having sex with (relatively) attractive women is already a win. But just getting dick does nothing for a lot of women. So it's really just males and females not understanding each other. Due to the our natural differences. They see an ugly woman who could technically get dick even though she doesn't want it like that. And say "well she's not really invisible". When her internal feeling is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/24 06:23 PM
1	CMV: Status makes men more attractive to women and that incentives men to create hierarchies Like I said before that has a lot more to do with your proximity. Online dating is shit for most people. Other then that you tend to pair up with people in your social circles.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/24 03:44 AM