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Fair enough. I might have couple lives left so I’ll take on what you’ve told me and try to utilise them more
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 05:02 PM
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I didn’t have anything to say in response to what you said so I asked that because I was curious but ok
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 04:49 PM
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With that attitude, maybe.
/r/MensRights06/06/26 04:22 PM
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Why aim for second best?
/r/MensRights06/06/26 04:13 PM
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What makes you left wing?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 03:41 PM
1

I could say the same about negative and inaccurate generalisations about feminists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 03:18 PM
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No, because I’m still curious about men and humans in general but you’re not curious about me because I’m a feminist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 03:13 PM
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I meant about the individuals you interact with. Also ‘bad vibes’ is a wild reason to dismiss feminism entirely but okay that’s your choice
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 03:05 PM
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Shouldn’t you also be curious rather than accusatory?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 09:58 AM
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No
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 09:58 AM
0

👏
/r/MensRights05/06/26 11:11 PM
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I do get what you’re saying though and I understand the people here probably assume the worst when things like that are said
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 01:50 PM
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I genuinely didn’t even mean it like that, I was hoping me saying I don’t believe those negative things that person was describing would start a conversation not just invite endless attacks
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 01:49 PM
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You’re not just against me you’re gossiping about me like fucking children and purposely tearing me and my character down with practically every one of your responses, if you can’t practice basic manners and human empathy when talking to anyone from ‘outside’ this subreddit then you’re not only hurting me but also yourselves and your cause.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 01:40 PM
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Publicly making guesses with someone about how I was raped IS FUCKING DISGUSTING.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 01:23 PM
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WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 06:40 AM
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WTFFFFFFF
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 06:38 AM
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What the actual fuck is wrong with you!!?!?!?!????
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 06:38 AM
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Hi, do you have a source for this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 06:36 AM
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Those words mean what those words mean. It’s how I felt at the time I wouldn’t say I still stand by all of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 08:01 AM
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Those words mean what those words mean. It’s how I felt at the time I wouldn’t say I still stand by it. Learn to read
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 06:52 AM
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Yes and I gave a clear reason why 😂 it’s a waste of time, a lot of your posts I already know about/agree with, just so weird like
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 06:50 AM
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I literally haven’t had the chance to think about it enough to come to a conclusion because you’re so committed to mischaracterising me that I have to dedicate so much time defending myself 😂😂😂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 06:49 AM
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“But I’m not claiming my final conclusion to be ‘on the fence’, I just don’t have a conclusion yet.“ Insane 😂😂😂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 06:42 AM
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You just don’t read anything I say do you 😂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 06:41 AM
1

I pasted that comment because you said you had no idea where my apprehension came from, so now you do. Notice how I said “it’s how I felt at the time not necessarily how I still feel”. Insane how committed you are to ignoring, twisting, and making up my words and being combative with me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 06:40 AM
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SEE HOW HE SAID ITS NOT HIS BUSINESS WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 06:10 AM
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Guess what else isn’t your business? The content of our private dms and posts I’ve DELETED. YET THIS WEIRDO IS PUBLICLY TELLING YOU PRIVATE DETAILS ABOUT ME AND LINKING YOU TO PRIVATE POSTS IVE ALREADY DELETED, HE KNOWS HOW MUCH IT HURT ME THAT HE WENT AND DUG UP THAT POST DESPITE ME SAYING I WANTED PRIVACY WITH MY POSTS AND HE WENT AND DID IT AGAIN BUT THIS TIME LINKED IT PUBLICLY FOR ANYONE TO SEE, WTF IS GOING ON
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 06:08 AM
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I looked at your profile and read some stuff then realised it’s pointless and stupid to do so since I came into this particular thread for a reason and rightfully expected my actual words to be engaged with and to be treated like an individual rather than someone to just hound with assumptions and accusations and mischaracterisations and random arguments and links unrelated to anything I wrote lmao
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 06:06 AM
1

Dm me
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 05:59 AM
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“That’s fair dude” LMAOOOOOOOOOO
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 05:56 AM
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I did comment this yesterday maybe you missed it Listen I care about all victims. I just don’t think the solution is that simple, unfortunately. And I haven’t sat down and dedicated time and thought on this particular topic in many years, hence the questions. It is complex. The word already has a universally accepted meaning that existed for decades. Women have a strong but complicated attachment to it seeing as its existence is one of the few things we victims have to help us, but at the same t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 05:45 AM
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Insaneeeee
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 05:43 AM
1

Fuck
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 05:37 AM
1

Fuck
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 05:37 AM
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Fuck
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 05:36 AM
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Merriam-Webster: in a position of neutrality or indecision Collins: unable or unwilling to commit oneself Vocabulary.com: characterized by indecision None of these definitions imply a decision will definitely eventually be made.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 05:33 AM
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I’ll try to tomorrow
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 01:05 AM
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That second example you listed is another incorrect assumption/misinterpretation from you
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:58 AM
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Yeah no, the “yet” implies I intend to come to a particular conclusion, “on the fence” can be a conclusion in itself
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:57 AM
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You were wrong about me being uncomfortable hearing about men’s struggles
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:52 AM
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I mean you could just ask a simple question rather than getting all mad and arguing with me based on something you made up in your head
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:46 AM
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Oh I prob just misread. Um well it would prob frustrate me but it would also make sense since their primary focus is male advocacy so they know more about that perspective. But I’m not claiming my final conclusion to be ‘on the fence’, I just don’t have a conclusion yet. Hard to when you’re being bombarded with false accusations and misrepresentations
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:44 AM
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The assumptions and accusations and putting words in my mouth
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:38 AM
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Wouldn’t a better comparison be a male advocate being on the fence about female rape definitions?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:35 AM
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Yeah exactly you don’t know me or my intentions so stop assuming and accusing me and you might get to know me and my intentions
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:33 AM
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Your commitment to assuming and accusing me of things you’ve entirely made up
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:31 AM
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Yes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:28 AM
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That’s weird, people can be on the fence about anything especially as they’re learning more about it and hearing different povs, you’re speaking extremely strangely rn
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:27 AM
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That…is a question about a hypothetical situation…not me saying it should be considered different…sorry but can you read?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:26 AM
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Yeah no, I was just going by the current definition, I didn’t have an opinion on whether or not it should change.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:24 AM
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No, I expressed doubts but I didn’t come to a conclusion
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:21 AM
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I hear what people are saying I’m still undecided
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:17 AM
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I didn’t say it should be considered different
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:14 AM
1

That’s not what I was calling insane and yes you are putting words in my mouth. This entire comment is literally just you making up an entire scenario in your head, and that is insane.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:04 AM
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Bit of a reach it was a long comment and I was tired so I wasn’t super detailed in my response, it’s not even a big deal, I clarified my opinion right after, and all of that has nothing to do with me being a feminist, weird as fuck
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 11:52 PM
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Idk I’m thinking about it I haven’t said they shouldn’t be more inclusive
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 11:48 PM
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Well you’re wrong and I didn’t give a take on how rape should be defined
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 11:48 PM
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Yes, I don’t necessarily think it shouldn’t, I’m asking why it should, that’s possible the two can exist together
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 11:47 PM
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Dm me
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 08:11 PM
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I feel like you’d like me irl
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 07:34 PM
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But I’m not sexist so I can’t do that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 06:39 PM
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“You’ve already been clear that you do not” genuinely can’t be explained by much else other than psychosis or something similar. Same with “you are absolutely displaying bigotry”. Literally have nothing else to say because it’s just so baseless that I’m baffled lmao. Again, I included white people because some other guy brought it up. Keep up! Keep up!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 06:37 PM
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It’s because you all act like it’s as simple as “men are victims and we can’t speak with context and nuance, you just have to accept that men are victims and you’re a bad person for being a feminist and you have to join our fight to save men” like if you actually engaged like a mature adult then I wouldn’t have to correct your extreme wording. But then you wouldn’t be able to point your finger at me and be like “SEEEEEE” it’s just optics and it’s pathetic 😭
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 06:27 PM
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Lol I deleted it because it’s inaccurate wording, not everyone who subjugated minorities and women and contributed to the system of oppression was in a position of power and I very much blame anyone who contributed and still contributes. And even if there’s some truth, context matters. Context always matters. You need to grow up if you disagree. I included white people because someone else brought up racism, dumbass. I’m not a bigot, cope 💋
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 06:25 PM
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Okay it might be somewhat true but I think it’s a natural pendulum swing after centuries of heinous oppression from ‘white’ people and men tbh. I hate the fact that it makes people act dumb and harms innocent people but it does make sense to me. I only really blame the people in power in society though
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 06:14 PM
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That’s just not true and I won’t let you delude us into thinking it is
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 06:09 PM
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Listen I care about all victims. I just don’t think the solution is that simple, unfortunately. And I haven’t sat down and dedicated time and thought on this particular topic in many years, hence the questions. It is complex. The word already has a universally accepted meaning that existed for decades. Women have a strong but complicated attachment to it seeing as its existence is one of the few things we victims have to help us, but at the same time, it’s still normalised in society as somethin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 06:01 PM
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You need to learn the difference between bigotry/stereotyping vs having boundaries and preferences so as to reduce the risk of harm and/or a PTSD episode that could not only harm me but also the people around me. If a man was wary of one-on-one interactions with a woman for the same reasons as I am with men I would respect it and wouldn’t necessarily see it as bigotry. Humans are animals with pattern recognition, memory, and survival instincts. No amount of moral debate will change that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 05:37 PM
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Oh hi again. Why? Just trying to have a discussion what’s wrong with that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 05:25 PM
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ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 11:38 AM
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“I TRUST THAT SOCIETY WILL HELP THEM”??????? ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG. Also what the fuck makes you think that there are even “enough feminists” to help every one of those victims? PSY. CHO. SIS.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 11:22 AM
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So feminists are the entirety of society now? Psychosis.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 11:03 AM
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[ Removed by Reddit ]
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:39 AM
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I never said otherwise. Simply saying those dead people were men. Keep up!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:38 AM
1

Please get a journal for your general ramblings and if you want to reply to me, respond to my actual words
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:37 AM
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Ok
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:31 AM
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You’re wrong and what you’re saying is insane
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:29 AM
0

Except I’m not wrong, cope 😂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:28 AM
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Because I can like bodies of text without endorsing everything about the people who wrote them?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:28 AM
1

I’m not saying it shouldn’t, I’m asking why it should
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:27 AM
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That makes zero sense. You can be male advocates in the LWMA subreddit and still express your empathy for women, if you have any, and engage with the actual content of people’s comments rather than just bombarding them with random talking points and links to unrelated things. There’s a time and place in activism for speaking at length about male struggles in general but when one singular person is engaging with you you should actually treat them as an individual person and respond to THEM, not t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:26 AM
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I use the definition of words as they are, I don’t make up definitions. That has nothing to do with my OPINION OF the definition. “Not very feminist of you” FOH LMAOOOO
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:21 AM
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What the actual fuck are you talking about. That quote has nothing to do with my feminism and everything to do with my personal preference based on lived experience, I didn’t say “people regardless of gender should trust women and not trust men”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:18 AM
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You trust society will help them? Are you in a state of fucking psychosis?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:15 AM
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You don’t empathise with the victims of those men on that website? You don’t empathise with the women who silently read about a website with tens of millions of visits per month where men watch and upload videos of them raping and depicting rape against women and asking for/providing help for other men to do the same? And who the fuck has said “oh, look at me, watch me suffer!”? Like what the fuck are you even talking about???
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 09:49 PM
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Wtfff I didn’t say you did 😂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 09:39 PM
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No your selective empathy is genuinely concerning.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 09:35 PM
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Something is wrong with you
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 09:29 PM
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That comment wasn’t removed, I deleted it because I ended up deciding it was wrong to have said. It was in an entirely different thread. The one I’m referring to that was also accused of being a ‘no true Scotsman’ was, and I quote: “I’m a feminist and those are not my beliefs”. Scroll up this very thread and you’ll see it. Those people are all wrong. There are no logical fallacies in that comment. I don’t have “patriarchy questions” and this was never a debate. You’ve proven yourself to be unwil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 09:25 PM
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No. Why does everyone seemingly do that in this subreddit? Why do you find it impossible to engage with the actual words in front of you and not something you’ve made up in your head? You’re fighting an imaginary person. I may as well have not written anything in this entire thread! JFC!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 08:55 PM
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Sort your thoughts and words out, make some coherent sense, stay on topic, stop having knee jerk reactions, stop moving the goalposts, stop turning everything into something it isn’t, have some self control and engage like a normal person. This is absolutely insane, it’s not a conversation at all, it is absolutely impossible to engage with you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 08:51 PM
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Like genuinely
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 08:50 PM
-1

What the actual fuck are you talking about
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 08:49 PM
-1

Just fucking insane that that person’s heart aches for men in that specific situation but apparently it doesn’t ache for the rape victims or the impact of this news on women’s psyches. Not enough for them to even acknowledge them/us, at least.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 08:44 PM
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You have not been ‘debating’ me, that’s for sure. You don’t even know what my position is and you’ve just been spewing random points and links that are irrelevant to what I’ve ACTUALLY been saying. That’s not how debates work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:04 PM
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Except I didn’t use that fallacy, I simply said that someone’s generalisations about feminists did not apply to me, a feminist. And yes there are harmful stringent gender roles (and gender-based discrimination and dehumanisation) imposed on both genders in this society. Feminists call society patriarchal because it’s highly influenced by centuries-old, and in some places millennia-old, patriarchal cultural structures spearheaded by men (not all men, not men as a collective, not the average man, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:01 PM
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You’re been talking to the feminists you’re pissed at, but in response to me, for some reason. The anger is justified when I’m being spoken TO rather than engaged WITH.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:27 PM
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But I didn’t, did I? So go talk to people who say that shit if you don’t like it. Why waste your time saying these things to someone who never said otherwise? That’s some shitty activism if I’ve ever seen it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:25 PM
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Or how about you actually respond to what I’m saying rather than just spewing random words and points??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:24 PM
1

Genuinely WHO tf have you been talking to this whole time???
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:12 PM
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I NEVER SAID THAT???? HELLO?????
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:03 PM
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You have not engaged with a single thing I’ve said. You have not engaged with me as a human being, as an individual. You’ve just spouted random bs and wasted both of our time. Do better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:03 PM
0

Wtf are you talking about?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 05:56 PM
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Downvoted because apparently you just refuse to accept the truth?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 05:06 PM
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Even just to equate the psychological impact is fucked. They are completely different forms of violation. The suffering does not need to be ranked or compared to be real and to matter.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 05:05 PM
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Lol yeah, I also find it very interesting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 04:58 PM
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You said “all of the feminists are using their institutional power to hurt men”. That is not happening.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 04:55 PM
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It’s not victim blaming because of the context which you’re conveniently ignoring
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 04:54 PM
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Being falsely accused of rape is just as bad as being raped? Oh yeah you’re fucked
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 04:52 PM
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Except that’s not what’s happening
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 04:24 PM
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I am a feminist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 04:13 PM
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How bad faith are you? Equating the KKK with feminism in terms of the specificity of its ideology is abysmal
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 03:59 PM
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The reason why people respond with that is because men mostly only bring it up when women are talking about their issues or the patriarchy, as a way to dismiss them and shut them down. It’s not victim blaming.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 03:41 PM
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wtf
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 03:30 PM
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You have no idea what you’re talking about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 03:29 PM
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The reason why people respond with that is because men mostly only ever bring it up when women are talking about their issues, as a way to dismiss them. It’s not victim blaming.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 03:28 PM
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No. You just said your heart breaks for men reading about bad faith reporting and said nothing about the victims of the men posting on and visiting that website. Disgusting
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 02:44 PM
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No. You just said your heart breaks for men reading about bad faith reporting and said nothing about the victims of the men posting on and visiting that website. Youre fucking disgusting
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 02:37 PM
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You’re literally taking away focus from the victims rn
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 02:29 PM
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Came here to work out what that means tbh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 02:15 PM
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I just think it’s in poor taste to say your heart twists for men having to read that 62 million men signed up for a rape academy, when in reality a website where men upload content of them raping or depicting rape against women had 62 million views in a month. Which is a lot worse than men having to read some bad faith reporting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 02:12 PM
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How is it a problem?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 02:07 PM
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Um okay I really think that’s a poor example of ‘sexism’ against men tbh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 01:47 PM
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Just incorrect
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 01:37 PM
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Everyone’s fighting their corner. Hard to care about so many things at once. It’s sad.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 01:36 PM
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Why would your heart twist for men hearing “62 million men joined a rape academy” (I’ve personally heard it being said more as “62 million men visited a ‘rape academy’ website”)?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 01:35 PM
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I’ve seen extreme, unproductive, bad faith and dehumanising takes from both sides to comparable degrees. It’s hard to compare them and to see a point in doing so when their impact is so similar and so unique at the same time. Both are bad. Maybe I can say I haven’t observed male activism to be as visible and forthright as female activism, but males in general I’ve found are far more ‘hostile’ to women in general compared with women towards men, which explains the ‘hostility’ found in female acti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 01:32 PM
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Yeah, it is heartbreaking. I think this topic is personal to everyone honestly which is why it gets so heated and it’s hard to find common ground even when it’s right in front of us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 01:21 PM
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Do you think that’s what good men should do for women or not? Sounds like you don’t agree with it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 01:14 PM
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I hear your point
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 01:08 PM
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I don’t want to just be in an echo chamber
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 12:42 PM
1

Why would you think I’m the type to take things personally? Based on what?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 12:29 PM
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It could be dismissive and childish, but it could also be in response to a guy acting like men struggle more than women or that women are to blame for men’s struggles
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 12:24 PM
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I’m happy to engage and clarify my point, but I wasn’t going to do that without first shutting down mischaracterisations and strawman arguments. If everyone refused to accept that’s what happened then I wouldn’t have engaged further. If it was acknowledged and I was met with less hostility then I probably would have. But again, your response is yet another hostile mischaracterisation where the conclusion is that I’ve “completely shown my hand”, so why would I engage further?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 09:00 AM
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It’s bad for anyone to do it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 08:45 AM
1

Thanks for this. I will take it on board
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 08:27 AM
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I don’t think you have, actually.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 08:13 AM
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“who set up the system? Men!” - you made this argument No, I didn’t. I explained what women mean when they say that and why they say it. you are essentially blaming “men” as a whole for the state of our society because in your mind Men are responsible for setting up the system in the first place. No, I’m not. I know men as a whole are not to blame. I simply accept the truth of reality, which is that the creators of the patriarchal system were overwhelmingly men. Stop making strawman arguments. y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:47 AM
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Yes, of course you can blame/criticise feminists who have caused harm to men, but that doesn’t mean you can apply that blame and criticism to all feminists. Of course women who falsely accuse or commit fraud should be held accountable. I never said otherwise. You’ve completely derailed the conversation because I identify as a feminist. Nothing we’re discussing now is actually in relation to what I said.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:33 AM
1

I see the difference, but just because one is a gender and the other is a label doesn’t mean it’s okay for people to judge me based on things other people with that label have said. And how have I been sexist?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:28 AM
1

He did not engage directly with me. He inserted quotes used by other feminists as if I spoke those words myself, mischaracterising me and distorting my point to sound more nefarious and extreme. Not every feminist shares the same views or has the same attitude. Just because I self identify as a feminist doesn’t mean it gives people permission to mischaracterise me and attack me based on things other feminists have said. Isn’t that one of the things male advocates are fighting against? Being pain…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:21 AM
-2

No I’m not, I’m saying the system was overwhelmingly set up by men, not women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:17 AM
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Saying a system was set up by men does not mean I think a man existing today was complicit in setting up that system
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:15 AM
1

And why should I engage with someone who responds to my comment with random catchphrases used by other people and rants about that instead of engaging with my words? “But that doesn’t stop people like you claiming that because of my gender I am “part of the problem”” is objectively a prejudiced mischaracterisation. Even if his whole comment is just a rant about feminists in general, he’s still not engaging with my words and my points.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:14 AM
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Nope. Wrong. I was simply pointing out the lack of nuance and excessive hostility towards women that so often comes with male activism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:04 AM
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Multiple times, he put words in quotes that I never said and made arguments based on that. He’s not engaging with what I said, he’s creating an inaccurate idea of who I am and responding to me based on that imagined person. I’m not ‘pretending’ anything. Ironically, you’re mischaracterising me just like he is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:02 AM
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It was men who set the system up. Not men as a collective. The system was set up by men. I have been raped and almost killed and so have millions of women. Saying that men are disproportionately more violent than women is not victim blaming, it’s a fact.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:58 AM
0

No, tell me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:48 AM
5

Yes it is unfortunate
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:27 AM
2

It’s not applicable since I didn’t say “no true feminist would do that” nor did I end my statement with “so you’re wrong, feminists don’t say/do that”. I simply said what I believe as a feminist. That’s it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:26 AM
2

Literally where in my comment did I say otherwise
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:24 AM
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Your comment is riddled with assumptions, accusations, mischaracterisations, strawman fallacies and an overall hostile and combative attitude. The fact that you ended your comment with, “you really are deep in the sauce aren’t you?” before I could even answer the questions you asked me is really just the cherry on top.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:21 AM
0

He’s allowed to feel and write whatever he wants. And I’m allowed to point out that he’s not actually engaging with my words.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:17 AM
-2

Again, you seemingly did not read my comments or grasp the point I was making at all, nor are you responding to it. You’re just saying something else entirely. This is not a conversation; that’s not how conversations work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:16 AM
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That’s fair. I understand the importance of having clear labels for harmful behaviours, especially in order for victims to be able to identify and process what’s happened to them. “Leaving out a bunch of male survivors with female perpetrators” I understand what you’re saying but this is a little vague and misleading. As I noted, it is still legally classed as a sex crime and punished to the same degree as rape. I suppose you mean they’re “left out” in the sense that they don’t get to call their…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 06:11 AM
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You’re just not listening lol. Like not at all. Literally not reading the words I wrote. Plus adding words in quotes that I never uttered. Fucking pointless.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 12:37 AM
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Yeah lots of fucked up things happening for sure, you’re still only blaming one group for it all though and not acknowledging a single fucking word I said nor the point I’m making so idk why you expect me to engage
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 12:34 AM
1

You’ve wildly mischaracterised me. What a fucking shame.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 11:59 PM
0

I know it’s not all men. I know many men are wonderful, beautiful souls. I’m personally too traumatised to be close to men on a regular basis. It’s not even just for my sake but both of us. I’d be triggered 80% of the time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 11:58 PM
0

How am I a misandrist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 11:56 PM
0

This level of reaching and disingenuous framing is embarrassing
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 11:51 PM
0

To be clear: being wary of = judging = wrong?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 11:43 PM
1

Ok
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 11:24 PM
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Well for one I stopped being friends with girls who hopped on the “men are trash, fuck all men, I’m just a girl” train. As for ‘misandrist feminist subreddits’, if you mean ones that exist entirely for miserable people to complain, dehumanise people and make depressing memes then I avoid them altogether since I’d like to maintain some level of sanity. Same reason why I avoid misogynistic subreddits. It’s more so when I encounter something iffy in a space that isn’t already an echo chamber for th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 11:23 PM
0

Why the different label? Why not? Why should it be classed as rape? Rape has its own meaning
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 11:18 PM
1

Legally, “causing sexual activity without consent”. Like rape, it can carry life imprisonment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 11:14 PM
0

Can we stay on topic? Can you tell me why you think it’s wrong of me to be wary of men for the reasons provided?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 11:10 PM
0

What exactly is wrong with me simply being wary of a group of people based on documented and personally experienced/observed patterns of behaviour?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:58 PM
1

Care to be more specific?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:50 PM
1

You said “exactly why men perpetrate this definition of rape 100% of the time” but you just agreed that men can be penetrated, which includes penetration of a foreign object by a woman. It’s the legal definition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:48 PM
1

Maybe reread my replies and you’ll understand what I’m actually saying?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:46 PM
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I’m not judging men based on the fact that they’re men. I’m wary of all men based on documented and personally experienced patterns of behaviour that I don’t want to subject myself to ever again. Same thing you’re doing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:41 PM
1

Male patterns of behaviour are identified by observing male patterns of behaviour.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:36 PM
3

I spent 2 seconds writing my original comment. That leaves me with plenty of time in the day to criticise feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:31 PM
1

I’m making the connection because, like feminists, men as a group of people have shown observable common patterns of behaviours.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:29 PM
0

Okay, and that’s how I feel about men Depressing
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:23 PM
-4

Not applicable
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:19 PM
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It’s not arguably true at all, since I made no argument. I simply said I, a feminist, don’t believe all men have inherent privilege and power over all women, to make the point that not all feminists believe that, which is what his comment suggested.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:19 PM
2

Men can be penetrated
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:16 PM
1

I’m not avoiding anything, I’m just following the logic behind your justification for making sweeping statements about a group of people with a shared aspect of identity, based on a documented history of a particular pattern of behaviour amongst people with that shared identity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:16 PM
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I didn’t actually blame any group of people for men’s issues. I didn’t say you personally were blaming a group of people for men’s issues. I blamed feminists for misusing terms. And I posited that if comes from a scarcity mindset and women’s in group bias And I, a feminist woman, gave you a different perspective that I’ve observed within myself and other women my entire life. As for your anecdote about 2015 tumblr, okay. Not really sure how it disproves or challenges anything I said, but perhaps…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 10:10 PM
1

Men don’t have to be part of a named group to be influenced by and share common ideologies and systems of ideas relating to gender
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 09:44 PM
1

Men share common ideologies just like feminists do
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 09:40 PM
1

So I can say men are misogynistic as fuck, yes?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 09:36 PM
1

Not engaging with someone as bad faith as you
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 09:31 PM
1

Okay? So that means you can say “feminists are racist as hell”?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 09:30 PM
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Yes, if I have the energy. Used to do it a lot more when I was younger, admittedly my spirit is a little more tired nowadays
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 09:29 PM
1

Ok you’re right there are unhinged self-proclaimed feminists. But what did you mean by your last line? Not all feminists, but enough? Enough for what?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 09:27 PM
0

Hahahaha you’re unhinged
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 09:25 PM
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Okay fair. But I think rather than there being a nefarious motive behind the misuse/weaponisation of the term, it’s really just women being fed up with men complaining to them about men’s issues as if the average woman played/plays a role in creating & upholding the system that created them. An example is when men tell feminists or women in general that men have to go to war while women don’t, or that women and children get priority in certain situations, it’s like…why are you complaining to wom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 09:23 PM
-2

Essentially, penetration without voluntary/informed consent
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 09:11 PM
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?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 08:59 PM
0

A lot of women and I guess feminists scare me too, and yes I agree class is a massive issue in society. But no woman will scare me as much as a man would. Feminists aren’t known to rape and kill people at disproportionate rates. Just because I talk about patriarchal systems and male violence doesn’t mean I blame all men for every issue in society. I can also care about classism, racism, harmful individuals of both genders…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 08:55 PM
1

Those are aspects of feminism…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 08:40 PM
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I’m a feminist and those are not my beliefs
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 08:39 PM
0

Why do you think we’re being disingenuous?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 08:37 PM
0

Jfc…I gave it as an example of a feminist calling for action rather than just shaming men, not an endorsement of the entirety of the book’s contents and its author.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 08:20 PM
0

I literally said I wasn’t a fan of her because of the things men told me about her…what?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 08:13 PM
1

Sorry!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 08:09 PM
1

Of course it’s not all men, just like it’s not all feminists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 07:50 PM
1

Not all feminists!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 07:39 PM
1

I see where you’re coming from. Thanks for responding to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:54 PM
0

Male advocates are misogynistic as hell.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:53 PM
0

I mean yeah that’s awful but your last sentence is so wrong it’s laughable
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:29 PM
0

Ok I’ve responded to so many comments at this point I don’t have the energy to write long, serious responses anymore, so I’ll just say out of the names in that list I do recognise, they’re annoying and sanctimonious as fuck lol. And yeah probably worse than that if I learned more about them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:27 PM
0

Let’s just all agree that bad people are bad
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:26 PM
0

So you agree with the women who say not all men, but enough?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:25 PM
0

No, not really
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:25 PM
0

I know it’s not only online, I was giving an example. But thanks for your response.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:24 PM
0

Ok, definitely not a fan of her then, not that I ever was
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:22 PM
1

It’s not limited to social media, that was an example
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:21 PM
0

As far as I remember, nothing in that book suggests that there is a “fundamental problem” with men. Also, I’m able to read a book without agreeing with every single thing in it. I just thought it had some compelling points and perspectives. I also did not like some other parts and the way she framed things. I don’t read books and take every word as gospel, I consider the context too. Which Hooks was decent enough to disclose. She was open about her story, the fact that she’s a woman who has trau…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:20 PM
0

I mean, I have witnessed these sentiments, but not so much in feminist spaces or by self-proclaimed feminists. I do agree that they’re wrong however. I can also agree that there is no perfect feminist just like there’s no perfect activist just like there’s no perfect person, and that men are mistreated in a number of ways just as women are. Can I ask what your goal is exactly? As a left wing male advocate, I mean (which I’m just assuming you are since you’re on this sub)? Or perhaps there isn’t …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:03 PM
1

Ok, so there are some women who claim to be feminists and have bad/unproductive takes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 05:54 PM
-1

Me having read a book that I found compelling and subsequently recommending that book in response to a conversation specifically relating to that book doesn’t mean I endorse and support the author in everything they’ve ever done. Don’t accuse me of being someone I am not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 05:50 PM
0

Men (not all men, just men - zero reason to take this sentence personally) created a system that places everyone under hierarchy and oppression, one that harms both genders, but women more so. Although not everyone technically lives under this system, it dominates cultures, religions, countries, and the world (quite literally, planet earth is suffering for it). Everyone is affected by it, few benefit from it, many suffer for it. Thats not an exaggeration, misrepresentation, attack, nor some kind…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 05:42 PM
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Patriarchy is not “every man wins” and “every woman suffers” and I never suggested that. As I said, everyone suffers deeply under patriarchy. Patriarchy is a system defined by harmful male attitudes that were and continue to be imposed on society, with those at the ‘bottom’ suffering more for it than those at the ‘top’. Gender wise, both women and men are systematically burdened, but women more so. As for that link, both men and women have said and done heinous things towards the opposite gender…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 01:56 PM
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So you would live like that if you were a woman?
/r/MensRights29/05/26 01:41 PM
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Thanks, but could you tell me why you personally see her that way? In your own words?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 01:39 PM
1

You don’t view men and women as equals if you’re talking up Bell Hooks. Why’s that? And what do you mean by ‘equal’? Please can you briefly explain why you see her as a hateful, bigoted piece of shit?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 01:34 PM
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Because the distribution of power and harm is structurally unequal under patriarchy. Patriarchal norms were created and are upheld by ‘toxic’ (or whatever word you’d prefer) male standards and attitudes. Naming examples of this as toxic masculinity ≠ placing all blame on male individuals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 12:53 PM
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Okay, I’ll be more specific Women have also reinforced some “patriarchal” norms feminists say are toxic. Many, many feminists would never deny the role women play in reinforcing patriarchal norms, both at an individual and societal level. So your framing of feminism is incredibly inaccurate and I would argue, disingenuous.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 12:08 PM
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And yet, every narrative you hear promoted by feminists only works if you assume everything negative about society is caused by men and that women are all blameless victims. This fascinates me. Sincerely. I am so intrigued by your perspective. We must have such different lives. I truly cannot imagine that being my only exposure to feminism! I don’t even know what to say other than that, haha. I always hear how the feminists we see and hear everywhere aren’t real feminists, and that there’s some …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 12:01 PM
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I don’t think that really applies here. Feminism has never and will never be all women good and all men bad. One might argue that choice/liberal feminism is heavy-handed with their emphasis on enabling and protecting women’s actions at a universal level, however that’s a highly niche and novel branch of feminism that’s heavily criticised by other feminists, many of whom say it’s not feminism at all since it’s so far removed from the core of the movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 10:54 AM
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?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 10:28 AM
-5

True feminists don’t think all women are good/innocent beings unable to uphold patriarchal norms
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 08:23 AM
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I hope this sub allows civil discussion from people with other viewpoints, because that’s all I want – civil discussion. “Epidemic” doesn’t always refer to a disease. By definition, it can also describe a sudden and/or widespread occurrence of something undesirable. Of course, you’re absolutely right: anyone can be violent, and not all men are violent. However, it is true that men are the main perpetrators of violence against women, men, children, strangers, rivals, civilians, partners, family m…
/r/MensRights29/05/26 08:08 AM
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