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1	If dating is so broken, why don't women seemingly complain about it? “Traditionally, the irony is that men only made ourselves particularly useful in the sphere of financial security but women don’t need that anymore”. I think your concept holds the basis of one of the challenges. The reality is however that modern society is much more favourable to a two income household so there is still definitely scope there. Is it perhaps worth exploring why it is so challenging for both men and women to envision harmony within relationships when both are holding responsibil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 03:38 PM
–	If tinder existed 20 years ago ,most of us wouldn't exist today. Interesting comment, I agree. But you can also take it one step even further. Gender roles/expectations are taught within the family. The family tends to teach/reinforce the expectation of society, it’s kind of a feed back loop. Families are no longer in the business of raising their female children to be primarily wives and mothers for other families anymore. If anything it is an afterthought. Those grandmothers/mothers are well aware of the benefit of this in terms of life outcomes. There is a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 11:49 PM
2	Have you ever felt that by not having children you are non fulfilling your biological duty? The meaning of life is 42, that’s been well established.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/23 11:59 PM
2	Have you ever felt that by not having children you are non fulfilling your biological duty? Don’t you find it ironic that your description is very similar to how single mothers are treated as well? The only difference that I can see in your description is that single mothers are treated less kindly younger as it is activated with the birth rather than age.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/23 11:41 PM
2	The average man is shamed when he has standards. How to make someone understand that this is not cool? Interesting. Are you offended that I did not complete the task that he wish to allocate me? Is it because you feel that the result of the task was so insightful that I somehow rudely robbed him of a “win”? If so, I’m sorry you feel that way and I apologise. That was not my intention, I simply did not see any value in the task as most things can be found in the internet if you look hard enough and therefore I did not see the point. Oh, and to some degree I also could not be bothered… If my apolog…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/23 07:40 AM
1	The average man is shamed when he has standards. How to make someone understand that this is not cool? Once again, you were the one that pointed out we were talking about this subject at societal and cultural level? All of those services are directly related the subject at hand, or can you not fathom that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/23 03:12 AM
1	The average man is shamed when he has standards. How to make someone understand that this is not cool? And yet I gave you for massive public health services doing exactly what you asked for. Complete with funding, research, service provision, public education and in a lot of cases influencing public policy. But nope….	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/23 02:58 AM
1	The average man is shamed when he has standards. How to make someone understand that this is not cool? You are so predictable, I literally wrote your answer in my head as I typed. As I said above “lazy and quite detrimental”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/23 02:49 AM
-1	The average man is shamed when he has standards. How to make someone understand that this is not cool? You don’t get to assign me homework son. It’s not even good nor interesting homework. There is many “public figures” advocating for men to access services, to reduce or eliminate stigma and reduce structural barriers (for people in general) to address things beyond his (or her) control. Such examples are drug and alcohol services, general health services, homelessness services and mental health services. I guess they are not exciting enough public figures for you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/23 02:39 AM
-1	The average man is shamed when he has standards. How to make someone understand that this is not cool? Ok, I addressed the points in your first 3 paragraphs already. In fact it was you who stated that he was obviously referring to whats is able to be criticised on a cultural and societal level. I just happen to agree with you however also noted where I disagreed. Your point from “obfuscating” onwards - I do in some way agree with you on a cultural and societal level however not with your overall point (as with your other post). As I stated in my first post, there is societally and culturally a mo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/23 02:09 AM
12	The average man is shamed when he has standards. How to make someone understand that this is not cool? “He is clearly referring to what is culturally and societally acceptable to criticize” Exactly, you answered the question. OP is overall in his post suggesting the some sexual behaviour (which he deems as negative) somehow falls outside male preferences/standards and therefore he would like to advocate for “men” to be able to have those preferences and standards validated. Notice that he does not advocate for men to hold just any individual preferences or standards, he definitely alludes to pref…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/23 12:25 AM
1	If you’re too scared to talk to women, that’s natural selection at work Would you mind expanding a little on this comment “social structure is not natural”. I did read your other comments but can’t seem to follow your argument sorry. In contrast to your view, my position on this is that a social structure is entirely natural, it is born out of meeting of the environment and the “natural wiring” (your term used further down) of the animal (in this case the human race) under discussion. As far as I can tell no group living animal escapes this and tends to have a “soci…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/23 03:55 AM
3	2000-2010 was the best decade for men, women and relationships Let’s not forget the boomers divorce rate though. It’s not like all those marriages were golden: https://www.goldbergjones-or.com/divorce/divorce-by-generation/#:~:text=Even%20as%20the%20Baby%20Boomers,than%20any%20other%20age%20group. Relevant part from the link: For the first time, divorce also became more widely accepted. Because of an increased emphasis on individuality, divorce was viewed as an acceptable way to deal with an unhappy marriage. You were no longer expected to stick it out thro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/23 03:13 AM
7	Is it rude for a girl to snub guys from her own neighbourhood that try to talk to her? Well you seemed very confused as to why. The “I can understand girls doing this at a party or something where she won’t want to talk to every guy, but in your own neighbourhood”, and the whimsical “does it really need to be like this?”. I thought I would help you out. You seemed really lost….	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/23 08:37 AM
7	Is it rude for a girl to snub guys from her own neighbourhood that try to talk to her? It is no longer civil when you try and enforce your wants and needs on others. It is also rude and to some degree threatening as you are deliberately ignoring all indications that they wish to disengage with you. The good news is that I can now shed light on why the women in your community choose rudeness as a response! Glad we could clear that up!	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/23 04:15 AM
1	Is it rude for a girl to snub guys from her own neighbourhood that try to talk to her? Yes it can cause issues, but it is also more likely to be a result of issues that are already present. An example of this is a difficult work environment. In a difficult work environment it would not be a surprise that your employees are not interacting with each other smoothly and some are behaving rudely. How would it go if you only started disciplining the rude employees while not improving their work environment? It probably would be ineffective (though you might get a short term minor impro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/23 03:32 AM
4	Is it rude for a girl to snub guys from her own neighbourhood that try to talk to her? I’m not sure you can just lay this at the feet of girls in your community. You are talking about the way community interacts with each other. If the girls in your community don’t interact with the boys in your community then chances are you have a community problem not a girl problem. Is it rude to snub your neighbour within your community? Yes it’s rude. But being polite is not a requirement in an environment where being polite is detrimental to you. If being rude is the default behaviour for g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/23 12:29 AM
2	What's the incentive for men not to be "toxically masculine", if that's what most women go for? Have you considered that there is a third option? Have you considered that some people are very good at emotional regulation? They are very very good at managing their emotions and how they respond to emotional experiences. When these people “open up” in relationships and share their emotional world it is a vastly different experience for their partners than for someone who is partnered to someone with poor emotional regulation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/23 11:55 PM
1	Why Should Men Get Married? You can, that’s true. But personally If I couldn’t establish common ground, trust, security and mutual goals with a person to the level needed for marriage, then there is no way I would progress with having children with them. In reality your children are the inheritors of what remains of your life (wealth, assets) and to a certain degree your parents as well, they are the next generation with your family structure. They are also the next generation within their other biological parent’s family …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/23 01:40 AM
0	why do women want marriage more than men? No,not bad faith, but a bit bemused when people start making firm factual like statements around biology/DNA and downplay any cultural or societal level influences. People just seem so damn determined to present this as absolute as fact. Just like you are doing once again. And yet each year there is increasing evidence that at a population level long term commitment, or marriage is decreasing. But but but DNA….	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/23 08:59 AM
2	why do women want marriage more than men? Marriage is a social construct. As far as I know there is no “marriage gene”. If there is I apologise however I would like some clarification on how it is being expressed as it appears to be undergoing change rather quickly in evolutionary terms. It’s the old nature vs nurture argument. What is biology and what is environmental/cultural influences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/23 07:03 AM
1	why do women want marriage more than men? Is that what you are seeing currently? A biological need for monogamous bonding in the human species? I think it’s fair to argue that there is data to suggest this is quite flexible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/23 06:50 AM
27	Serious question: why the hate to single women are not given to nuns? Aren’t nuns brides of Christ?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/23 01:20 AM
1	Misbehaviour in male's sexual game is being shamed, in female's it's not Ok, how about we grant your proposal? We are now taking this shit seriously! It is now illegal for any man to marry any woman if there is any indication or act to suggest that she is marrying him for financial reasons (gold digging). Happy? It’s hard for me to expand upon because you didn’t put parameters on what would specifically be gold digging. Feel free to define so it can clearly be incased in law. Also feel free to determine the legal consequences of a man attempting to engage in a relati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/23 01:01 AM
2	50-50 doesn't work because men actually have to do more than the woman in order for the relationship to survive Yes, 50/50 doesn’t mean it is maintained at 50/50 at all times, it means that across the marriage each person has received about equal experiences from the marriage allowing both of you to achieve things you couldn’t do alone. Achieving some of the bigger goals in life requires enormous support and often sacrifice from your partner, you pay that back when it’s their turn. One of the great sadnesses in marriage is when one partner loses themselves in marriage, their personal goals and dreams are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/23 11:56 PM
–	4 levels of social interactions Or perhaps, just perhaps she was giving him a set of manageable steps to start him interacting with women in an appropriate manner allowing for him to increase his positive experiences and start to reduce his anxiety?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/23 01:03 AM
–	CMV: In nearly every metric we can measure in the west, the average woman is outperforming the average man You just add to my point. Can you afford to not finish “high school”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/23 02:27 PM
15	CMV: In nearly every metric we can measure in the west, the average woman is outperforming the average man There is danger in this kind of thinking because I see many young men take this way of thinking as well. In fact I just read a comment from what I assume is a man just prior to seeing yours. Basically “women are only getting rubbish degrees and low paying jobs, it doesn’t matter guys still hold the upper jobs”. This is foolish. Generalist degrees are often a foot in the door of white collar employment. They open the door to more specific industry training, internal employment opportunities and c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/23 02:35 AM
4	Assuming traditional gender norms in dating, what do women offer in the initial dating stages? So basically what did she bring to the ritual? She (and her family probably) was a suitable candidate to court with all that this encompassed. What did you bring? You were a suitable candidate to court her with all that this encompassed. Traditionally “encompassed” was huge. Depending on the status of the families involved she could bring an enormous amount of value to the table.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/23 06:09 AM
1	What do you think of hypergamy? I think that shipped sailed mate. Lobby as much as you want but if you are young you are way late to the party. The oil industry did great without you….	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/23 01:31 AM
3	What do you think of hypergamy? What do I think of hypergamy? I think it’s genius. I mean of course it is, securing a better outcome for you and your offspring above what you were born into? Oh no, the shame! People have done it for forever when the opportunity is available, both men and women. You think very wealthy families are not eyeing up possible suitable marriages for their son that have an element of hypergamy? Then you are naive, that’s what maintaining appropriate social circles are for. Social mobility is hard and e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/23 12:52 AM
4	Why marriage is dead You don’t have to get married. You should not sign any contract, including a Marriage contract, if you don’t like the terms. Read the damn thing, understand your legal obligations under the contract and if you agree then proceed. Understand that you will be also subject to laws if you have children outside of Marriage. If you want marriage ensure that active steps are being taken along a mutually decided time frame which meet your mutual goals. Don’t sit and wait for some mystical proposal to po…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/23 01:34 AM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Ahh ok. I don’t really know much about Brazil to be honest. I’m have grown pretty interested in the social structural issues being discussed in South Korea lately just because there is so much discussions around the lately and I’m truly interested to see how they go about tackling them (assuming they do so).	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/23 01:51 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Yes, it’s a rather tricky social issue which is causing quite a bit of concern. Have you not heard discussion on it before? Not sure why you raised increasing crime and murder in the USA when the discussion was around Japan and South Korea. Perhaps you think I’m American and you are trying to make some kind of point?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/23 12:36 PM
2	There are no benefits to having kids as a women Granted, but since I’m negotiating from a starting point of top athletes and supermodels I think it’s fair to say that ship has already sailed!	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/23 07:49 AM
3	There are no benefits to having kids as a women Sure, but if we are limiting our choices I would like to hedge my bets…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/23 03:30 AM
5	There are no benefits to having kids as a women Personally I would much prefer scientists, teachers and a good handful of medical folk if it’s all the same to you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/23 02:12 AM
0	There are no benefits to having kids as a women It was a pretty flippant joke tbh. It was more of an acknowledgment that the negatives listed were convincing and probably holds some insight into some of the modern concerns around having children.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/23 02:06 AM
0	There are no benefits to having kids as a women Well you just got yourself crossed off the list of securing any employment aimed at increasing falling birth rates!	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/23 01:17 AM
4	Is a woman having a job a bad thing? Yes, that’s wise. In fact it’s wise for everyone to be careful and well prepared. Your words are a common truth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 03:29 PM
7	Is a woman having a job a bad thing? Why are you writing nonsense? Her comments are perfectly reasonable common sense advice. Life can be uncertain. It’s best if you are prepared. You can do so by ensuring you have an education, a job and a contingency plan in place. This is general advice that is in no way unusual, controversial or surprising. There truly was nothing foolish in her words or the example that she provided to support her advice. The nonsense in your comment reads like immaturity more than anything else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 03:20 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Sorry it’s late where I am. I did a super quick google and found this to illustrate my point but there is heaps online about Japan and South Korean in terms of marriage and birth rates. If you are interested this will get you started: https://www.npr.org/2023/03/19/1163341684/south-korea-fertility-rate	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 01:54 PM
5	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent Well I think the timing is complicated because I think it’s fair to say that the first 6 weeks of pregnancy may not be detected so the time frame becomes quite a bit shorter. Then there is the contacting of the possible biological male. I don’t automatically have the assumption that that would be straight forward, nor do I automatically have the assumption that there is only one candidate. I’m talking at a policy level of course, at a population level there has to be some allowance for extenuati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 08:07 AM
2	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent I don’t believe that can be done within the timeframe. If you are seeking and receiving DNA confirmation, and consulting a lawyer (which let’s face it would be wise), and having it submitted and confirmed you are out of time. Any complications like having DNA tested for multiple people to confirm who even has the legal rights to decline, or negotiating parental rights such as co-parenting rights going forward for instance, the timeframe is not there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 05:23 AM
1	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent That’s the way of it I guess. There is always the plus and minus when discussing these things. Thank you so much for the chat though. You were really kind to take me through the concept. I appreciate it..	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 04:57 AM
1	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent “Why would a man want kids with a woman that didn’t want to marry him?” No idea to be honest. It seems relatively common though. Plus under this change of law we are discussing if a pregnancy occurred unplanned for a young couple that are quite happily living together, a proposal at that stage could be more increasing “You know I love you but…”. I mean your family lawyer could advise no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 03:42 AM
1	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent Well I guess it gives them all the choice with no down side. Under this idea they can accept a marriage proposal which will place at risk loosing entire control of their child’s legal custody or they can set up home without marriage and retain the entirety of their children’s legal custody no questions asked. The only cost is the possibility of child support from what I can see.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 03:30 AM
4	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent Ok. It seems like a huge loss of rights on the male side of the equation, I’m surprised it comes up as a positive so often in the men’s right circles. Particularly as marriage is so often discussed as a negative. I guess it goes without saying that all men that choose to have children outside of marriage for whatever reason would be by default loosing all parental rights under law even if they live quite happily with their children, have the house with a white picket fence. The woman can up and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 03:08 AM
2	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent Thanks for explaining this! Ok, so legally the man involved would not be informed of the pregnancy (unless she wished to negotiate a formal adoption process) and he would not be on the birth certificate. The child would affectively be “blind DNA” (looking for a term here) on the paternal side. The child would not even know who the father was at 18 years potentially. A man would be giving up all claim to his biological offspring.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 02:44 AM
3	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent Ok, so basically the concept is that without a legally recognised marriage contract the man has no legal rights to the child in any capacity including financial?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 02:33 AM
3	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent Yes, start looking at any practicalities and it certainly seems to not add up…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 02:23 AM
3	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent So “miracle occurs here” stuff? Thanks, at least I’m not feeling like I’m missing something logical.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 02:20 AM
3	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent I’m not sure I agree but that aside, it’s the legal execution and timeline I’m struggling with. Can you please explain how it would all work?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 02:13 AM
1	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent Thanks for the reply. It’s just hard to hold an opinion on something that would have so much impact at a societal level when its hard even imagine how it would work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 01:23 AM
3	Men. If you want more control in procreation / the right to financially abort either get snipped or stay abstinent Could someone please explain to me how a financial abortion would even work legally? I have played around with the timeline (I’m assuming we are talking about the first 6 to 12 weeks) and can’t for the life of me make it work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 01:15 AM
2	85% of Chinese are not marrying and 60% are not procreating Ok, that’s a brief and idealised view of “depending how far back you went”. Reality is that across a lifetime it was not that nice and neat, the majority were dirt poor and there is a good chance someone died. This perfect synergy is wonderful I agree, but across a lifetime it was not always reality. Plus, let’s face it we live in todays world. That’s it, that’s the option on the table. As for whether people, or women specifically, would be happier having children? Who knows. I see many many you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 03:59 PM
11	85% of Chinese are not marrying and 60% are not procreating But the money had to come from somewhere right? That is inevitable. So there was always a boss who had control over the money from which you sourced food and there was a bloody big chance he didn’t have you or your husband’s best interests at heart. Your husband may have your best interests at heart that’s true but unfortunately that was not guaranteed. In fact it was a bit risky. The government never had your personal best interests at heart, that hasn’t changed. The difference is you now get y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 03:21 PM
1	85% of Chinese are not marrying and 60% are not procreating But the money had to come from somewhere right? That is inevitable. So there was always a boss who had control over the money from which you sourced food and he there was a bloody big chance he didn’t have you or your husband’s best interests at heart. Your husband may have your best intent heart that’s true but unfortunately that was not guaranteed. In fact it was a bit risky. The government never had your personal best interests at heart that hasn’t changed. The difference is you know get your…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 03:20 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread They are. Super interesting to watch as well as they are neck deep in social struggle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 03:02 PM
1	Everyone is worse off when women approach Yes, I agree that a lot of these older social rules are falling to the way side.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 05:04 AM
4	Would it be a dealbreaker to you if a man lied about his height by saying he is shorter than he is? Ok, this says more about you than women in general. You are either: lying have one of the most unfortunate social circles in existence have no social circle have an unusually bizarre or at the very least uncommon idea of what “interesting” is. With the criteria being “spoken to” which is rather extensive I’m hoping for you that it is option number 1.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 05:02 AM
2	Everyone is worse off when women approach Men being the ones to approach is nothing but a social norm held together by nothing but reinforced social expectations. Of course it holds value, it’s a mechanism of control in the establishing and pacing of (sexual) relationships that had a purpose. There is another one that is very common as well, the proposal. This one is once again a mechanism in place to control the pacing of a sexual relationship. It was in place (arguably) to ensure that a man had a chance to prepare for marriage. A lot …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 12:48 AM
1	The society we want where women making the first moves and approaching men is the norm will never happen. I think it will become much more common, I think it is just a social norm that will fall by the way side like so many others. It’s already being watered down as it is no longer “socially unacceptable” and you can see plenty of social references to women making the first moves in movies and media without anyone even blinking an eye. Importantly girls are no longer “being forward” if they ask a boy out for coffee or offer to buy a drink in a bar as an opening expression of interest. What do men ga…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 11:41 PM
1	Marriage Counseling, Choreplay, Perception, and “Equal Partnerships”. I think it makes more sense on why marriage counselling does not have more shiny results if you look at the top ten reasons for divorce. Those are some tricky relationship killing reasons, some are problems that are not quickly overcome (eg substance abuse), and some have potential build mass amounts of resentment and other secondary problems. Marriage counselling is also not just about “saving” the relationship. Sometimes it’s about finding a way to split that is the least problematic for eithe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 02:01 AM
1	The women at sex parties are better looking than men Phew, I’m reading down this thread (and I know nothing of the lifestyle) but was truly getting concerned for whom your wife was having to select from. At least this comment suggests there is hope for a pleasant night….	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 11:41 AM
1	The “shy good guy” in practice is actually just a bore and that’s why women aren’t attracted to him “True stability and groundedness can go anywhere and do anything because it brings the stability and grounding with it, it doesn’t create a castle to hide from life in”. There is wisdom here. I enjoyed the read, thanks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/23 06:14 AM
1	The “shy good guy” in practice is actually just a bore and that’s why women aren’t attracted to him “True stability and groundedness can go anywhere and do anything because it brings the stability and grounding with it, it doesn’t create a castle to hide from life in”. There is wisdom here. I enjoyed the read, thanks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/23 06:13 AM
1	PPD BAN META MEGATHREAD Agreed! Always nice to find common ground!	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/23 04:24 AM
1	PPD BAN META MEGATHREAD And again, one can pretend to hide much in “polite” conversation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/23 04:17 AM
1	PPD BAN META MEGATHREAD “There are always lines” Yes there are. When one finds oneself advocating for the removal of the rights of others, one should perhaps consider if it has been crossed….	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/23 03:46 AM
3	PPD BAN META MEGATHREAD That’s sounds so reasonable however in practice it is not. An example of such is that some people could argue that they could “civilly” discuss the economic and social benefits of enslaving (removing the human rights) other races. This is of course distasteful and enormously inappropriate. One can pretend to hide much in “polite” conversation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/23 03:16 AM
1	CMV: Men should support abortion restrictions. It's the only hope for "financial abortions" to become reality, and thus truly equal reproductive rights Only foolproof way to not have to raise the child? What’s wrong with the safe haven process? Why go through a financial abortion when you can just drop the child off if you are that determined?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/23 08:51 AM
20	CMV: Men should support abortion restrictions. It's the only hope for "financial abortions" to become reality, and thus truly equal reproductive rights In regards to your edit OP, I have terrible news for you. All “unwanted babies” do not get adopted. All children are not born under ideal circumstances, either due to genetics or a variety of other circumstances some newborns have complications that make adoption very difficult.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/23 03:48 AM
1	CMV: Men should support abortion restrictions. It's the only hope for "financial abortions" to become reality, and thus truly equal reproductive rights When thinking about any issue relating to a child once taking abortion off the table (i.e the child will be born) it is much more productive to consider the well being of the child first in terms of policy. Considering it a gender issue (i.e placing the needs of the parents first) will just add noise to your argument and lead to frustration. Central to any policy regarding children in terms of government policy is always going to consider the best outcome in regards to the child under discussion…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/23 03:10 AM
7	Saying women should not invest in their careers and aspirations is toxic because most janitors and retail workers are not going to marry doctors and CEOs. Oh? I think there is a bit of a difference between a teacher and a stripper turned secretary but this more than anything confirms for me that it’s a “you thing”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 05:25 AM
8	Saying women should not invest in their careers and aspirations is toxic because most janitors and retail workers are not going to marry doctors and CEOs. I really think that is a you thing, or perhaps a subsection of men. I think noting it as a “men” thing is a bit misleading. Why do I say that? Because it is clear that people tend to marry within their socioeconomic group which tends to incorporate education. For all intensive purposes it is not unusual to see professionals marrying each other. Honestly I have never met a successful career oriented man who married a stripper turned secretary. I’m trying really hard to remember any successful car…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 04:50 AM
8	If there is a push for older women to be seen as more attractive then there should be a push for younger men to be seen as more attractive Bingo	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/23 09:34 AM
3	The conservative advice given to women, that tells them to be housewives while letting the men bring in the money, is flawed and downright harmful. Ok, you are aware that conservative does not equal only some determination of republican or liberal orientation right? Conservative family values have a much broader application. Considering religion or goals/values for motherhood does not require you to sacrifice good financial, family risk management/family stability decision making. Conservative men should be able to understand the current economy and manage family financial stability and short term/long term holistic goals for the family. It…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/23 08:08 AM
4	The conservative advice given to women, that tells them to be housewives while letting the men bring in the money, is flawed and downright harmful. I disagree with you completely. The point of my post is maximising the family including stability in todays world. It is incredibly family focused and is aimed at the reduction in risk which undermines family. Yes, a lot is around financial stability, but that’s just taking care of business as a family and it must be done in an increasingly dual income world. But, and here is the clincher, I also increased flexibility for a family in terms of a care provider. I provided security while increasing…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/23 07:27 AM
3	The conservative advice given to women, that tells them to be housewives while letting the men bring in the money, is flawed and downright harmful. You can pay someone to cook and clean. You and your wife can still have children. You can still be a big, strong provider, which you can evidence by the fact that you married wisely and are now able to provide your family with all of the increased benefits, wealth and stability.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/23 07:03 AM
1	The conservative advice given to women, that tells them to be housewives while letting the men bring in the money, is flawed and downright harmful. Very nice!	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/23 05:35 AM
2	The conservative advice given to women, that tells them to be housewives while letting the men bring in the money, is flawed and downright harmful. Thanks! Bullet points? Start the sentence with a minus sign - then leave one space before typing: this is the sentence Looks like: (-) this is the sentence (without the brackets)	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/23 05:19 AM
14	The conservative advice given to women, that tells them to be housewives while letting the men bring in the money, is flawed and downright harmful. The conservative message given to conservative young men is equally (I would argue) flawed: Build a career and marry a good traditional stay at home wife Why? Just why in this day and age? Do they not like money and opportunity for some reason? Marrying a well educated, career managing wife allows: A good, ongoing stable safety net for the family financially if you become injured or sick across a lifetime. It is the ultimate family insurance for a family oriented man. Flexibility to take advanta…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/23 02:47 AM
1	Women Admitting That Their Promiscuous Pasts Prevent Them From Enjoying Sex With Their Husbands Why do you find it hard to believe? The loss or reduction of the male libido is not an obscure medical condition nor are the causes particularly surprising or rare. This kind of unawareness or lack of education around men’s health is why men don’t respond to medical issues promptly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/23 07:23 AM
1	The way we’re socially and economically set up plays a huge role in the lack of harmony between the masculine and feminine. Yes! Kind of. I don’t think they were necessarily lies as such, I think that based on the cultural understanding of the prevailing information at the time (regarding the profession of medicine) the conclusion simply made sense. Based on the information available I think I may well have confidently argued that myself at the time and I would have been completely wrong. And yes once again, this is where things get messy. As cultural understanding keeps shifting, the conclusions keep shifting leavin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 06:12 AM
1	The way we’re socially and economically set up plays a huge role in the lack of harmony between the masculine and feminine. “I do also think to an extent there is something innate to them based off our general biological strengths and weaknesses” And here in lies the ultimate problem, it’s so damn hard to predict because it all seems to make so much sense. Let me give you an example using medicine. There was a point in time that the profession believed that women could not be doctors. Biologically they were not suited to it, they simply did not have the intellect amongst other characteristics for the profession. The …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 12:43 AM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Oh efficient for sure, it had to be. But time consuming nonetheless less. Heating a copper for instance takes time. Stain removal by hand for a uniform for say a mechanic or bleaching for a butcher takes time. Washing was required across all seasons as well, harder in winter to get things dry for instance. Washing and drying wool was also a pain, socks, cardigans, blankets and so on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 03:45 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread It wasn’t so much washing the three outfits you had, but also the whole process around forming/sewing, maintaining and cleaning cloth manually. It wasn’t just clothing, it was sheets, tea towels, perhaps table cloths, nappies and so on. Wash day for the family was very labour intensive. Washing with a copper was quite the process. Bedding was particularly hard. But there was also the process of wringing out the excess water, drying cloth, ironing, and patching without todays tech. Ironing withou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 02:41 PM
2	The way we’re socially and economically set up plays a huge role in the lack of harmony between the masculine and feminine. I agree with a lot of what you have written, but I do disagree with the concept of a concrete definition of masculinity and femininity, rather I think it shifts in the cultural winds and is very hard to distill down to its core elements with any certainty. Yet we still tend to speak about Masculinity and Femininity as if it is something tangible and and not something influenced strongly by cultural construction that is just going to make another shift. Of course this very issue also extends out …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 03:46 AM
1	Is it wrong to track data in your relationship? I don’t think it’s wrong as such, but I think it needs to be transparent and consensual to avoid hurt and perceived intrusion on personal or relationship privacy. I think you need an agreement on: what is being tracked where the information is being stored who can add, adjust, dispute or add to the information being tracked or recorded by what methods the information is collected or recorded what the information is being used for who the information is being shared with how long the information …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/23 05:22 AM
3	Would a lot of people be more happy with finding partners if they were willing to expand their age ranges? Oh yep. Just generally thinking in terms of OP’s thoughts around expansion on dating age. Not throwing any shade on people’s life decisions!	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/23 07:58 AM
4	Would a lot of people be more happy with finding partners if they were willing to expand their age ranges? Oh, I really wasn’t thinking about the cost. It was more about individual life goals and there timing. The early to middle 20’s for most people, gender aside, is often about developing as a person. It often includes educational goals, work/career goals, perhaps travel, building a business, common stuff. It’s later on that people are ready to think marriage, mortgage, kids. No real need these days for a 20 year old to get fast tracked into 30 year old goals. I mean why would you give up such a be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/23 07:50 AM
6	Would a lot of people be more happy with finding partners if they were willing to expand their age ranges? The family bit is tricky I agree. Expanding down you have a conflict in goals (education, career, travel, timing of children) through in the 20’s. Probably why most people date around similar ages taking that all into account. Dating up could expand your social opportunities though as you pointed out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/23 07:11 AM
8	Would a lot of people be more happy with finding partners if they were willing to expand their age ranges? Ok, but OP was specifically talking about a tougher dating market. It’s fair to think that he/she was talking about expanding age ranges to increase dating options. Expanding age ranges down is a pretty competitive market, if you are struggling it might not be very lucrative.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/23 06:55 AM
3	Would a lot of people be more happy with finding partners if they were willing to expand their age ranges? I guess you can try. But I’m not sure a lot of 35 year old guys are going to be open to dating people over 40. There is lifestyle/ life goal issues involved.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/23 04:10 AM
1	Discussion : Will modern life get so comfortable for women that literally most choose to stay single? “I stopped reading there” I’m sure you did. I’m pretty sure I’m not the emotional one in the discussion. Go have a cup of tea and a good lie down…..	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 05:46 AM
1	CMV: Women are incredibly entitled and take male providers for granted Nice answer! I’m not American btw but I won’t ask you were you live because I’m not to keen to disclose to much info either. As much as I am not American, where I live does run pretty standard to investment rules. While I do not disagree with your philosophy (if I may call it that?) in regards to real estate, unfortunately it is none the less generally a reality that real estate opportunities are lucrative. Perhaps a half way mark could be to make a wise choice on where you live to maximise life…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 05:21 AM
–	CMV: Women are incredibly entitled and take male providers for granted Ok, fair enough. But what happens if you marry and have a child? Does the child only attend the school where you can afford half? Does the child miss out on extra activities because you can’t afford them? Overseas vacations? Even if you don’t have a child, does your higher earning wife not attend restaurants, vacations, have shared hobbies with you because you can not afford 50/50? Do you both choose to buy in a less desirable area with lower investment return because you are not able to afford …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 03:52 AM
4	If you read between the lines, you will see that liberal progressive people look down on weak men and have conservative expectations of them. “However it is often the case that higher earners work longer hours” Hmm, not to a huge degree. Often higher earners have better work conditions, leave entitlements, and leverage in the work place. The guy pumping gas, the chef/cook, the cleaners, the teachers, paramedics (god help them - sorry guys!), often work longer hours to either compensate for their wages (or have second jobs), and worse environment/work conditions than straight up higher earning workers. The type of worker for lower paid…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 02:08 AM
2	Discussion : Will modern life get so comfortable for women that literally most choose to stay single? I find both arguments a bit odd, the whole “only need, or don’t need at all” as if sex is the only relevant factor. It blatantly obvious that this isn’t true, but for the exercise alone, I don’t find your argument convincing. Firstly, the occupations you are siting are no longer specific to one gender. Absolutely they are primarily weighted to be performed by men, but it is no longer the barrier it use to be. Secondly, strength is no longer the determining factor it use to be. In fact, a primary…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 12:36 AM
1	Do you think status has a big affect on attraction? Wow, that was enlightening. Perhaps the term “status” itself is being defined differently? Or perhaps my opinion on the matter is not particularly common….	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 04:27 AM
1	Do you think status has a big affect on attraction? Oh I see. Really? That’s a bit odd. I think everyone finds a high level of skills (positive skills) attractive. There are some skills that give some people pause like gambling and so on, but mostly it holds true. People who are highly skilled / develop status at anything tends to naturally attract admiration. I’m not even sure it’s a gendered thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 04:16 AM
1	Do you think status has a big affect on attraction? I’m not sure I have ever really heard women say they don’t find status unattractive. Where have you heard this? You noted yourself that status covers a wide range of forms and lack of status is also deemed unattractive. Genuinely trying to remember a time where I heard anyone say “wow, that person is a highly skilled famous (insert positive skill here) that is so unattractive”. Can you give me an example? If a particular individual is highly skilled / has status due to that skill at something an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 04:05 AM
31	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make Marriage isn’t for everyone, I agree. For some people it seems to work very well. For others it’s a bit of a disaster, but at least it’s not a life sentence. The great thing is that currently it appears that the expectation from the community (as a whole) of people marrying seems to be reducing at a great rate. While there are still pockets of the community that try hard to keep it an expectation and enforced, for most people it has become just one of the options available to them. Marry, don’t …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:41 AM
–	Men don’t get to have male spaces I have no idea what you are upset about in regards to my post? Are you sure you read it properly?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 11:43 PM
2	Men don’t get to have male spaces Yeah, I noticed the court issues and the dates as well so I searched through a few universities I was familiar with and found a few. I’m not in the USA though, so experiences might be a bit differ..	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 04:56 AM
3	Men don’t get to have male spaces That doesn’t sound to outrageous. I think some of the issues about the Boy Scouts was membership levels, opportunities and curriculum. I agree it might be worth seeing if it can be tackled. Men’s issues groups like mental health focused groups? I just did a quick google search and it seems that there is quite a few men’s mental health, wellbeing and men’s issues groups now operating at a university level. So hopefully that is looking a bit more positive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 04:38 AM
1	Should we bring back the blind date? All good points. I wonder though if it was more common if it would be attractive in the time poor crowd? Career driven financially stable crowd, or perhaps folks that have to travel a little for work? People whose time tends to be somewhat absorbed with work relate goals or social circles. I feel they might be at least a little open to the potential of a good friend / family member offering a blind date opportunity so long as it was a genuine match across a large range of factors.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 03:18 AM
2	Should we bring back the blind date? Great idea. I don’t see a downside? I’m assuming if you don’t want to go, you can just politely decline?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 01:54 AM
1	Men don’t get to have male spaces True. What male only spaces would you like to see? This is nice, I think it appeals to an older age group. https://mensshed.org Do you have any other ideas that you think would work?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 01:01 AM
1	CMV A man that cheats on his wife will be more respected and loved by her (as long as she doesnt find out) then a dude that doesn’t. Now back to reality. Brad is hiding his phone, hoping he has time to shower before he gets home, hitting up friends/coworkers to cover for him, and engaging in all the other dodgy behaviour that is required to keep this afloat. Brad is probably growing more unpleasant towards the people he is disrespecting and lying to as time goes by. The behaviour needed to keep his life under control (gaslighting, deflecting, denying, love bombing) is bound to impact. The cost of doing business, whether atten…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 01:04 PM
1	Sex = Bargaining Chip for Women \| Women Enjoy but Don’t Value Sex I feel you are either being deliberately obtuse or perhaps you are not genuinely understanding. Either way at this point I feel it’s probably better for you to sort it out for yourself as I read through your other posts and there is definitely a disconnect somewhere. I’m going to assume deliberate at this point. If so, it’s a bit boring to be honest…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 08:41 AM
1	Sex = Bargaining Chip for Women \| Women Enjoy but Don’t Value Sex I get that you are trying to narrow the scope of your argument, and that’s fine with me. I don’t think you should be necessarily surprised that some people find it a bit to narrow to be particularly useful or informative however. Some might even find it so narrow that it is deliberately inaccurate. Particularly when you are using words like “survival”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 07:40 AM
1	Sex = Bargaining Chip for Women \| Women Enjoy but Don’t Value Sex Well, he is going to be disappointed because there won’t be any men either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 06:35 AM
3	Sex = Bargaining Chip for Women \| Women Enjoy but Don’t Value Sex But I did, I just checked. I know you threw in the “replication” stuff, but just think about it. There isn’t anything fundamentally without it? What is there in actual fact without replication? At the core, that replication makes it all. Every bridge builder, philosopher, explorer, house builder, electrician, CEO, father, mother, child, firefighter, author was made by a woman. You don’t actually have anything left to not need them for, without that “replication“ process. They are actually the ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 06:32 AM
4	Sex = Bargaining Chip for Women \| Women Enjoy but Don’t Value Sex Maybe I’m confused about your question as admittedly I’m am just scrolling but are you saying men don’t “need” women at all for their survival? Did you somehow forget that women literally make men? Every man since Adam and Eve (if you believe in that kind of thing) was gestated and birthed from a women. In fact, every single human being that is currently walking this planet, men and women combined, historically or current, was gestated and birthed from a women. I know I’m stating the obvious but…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 06:23 AM
2	Women hate being treated as a resource that is handed out for good behavior. Well kind of! I think that bullshit was pitched pretty hard on both sexes from the generation above like it always has been. For instance the classic joke: The kid asks “Mum and Dad, where do babies come from?” Classic parental reply “Well when a Man and a Women love each other very much…” I really believe that it’s just basic classic traditionalist societal murmuring that is slowly being watered down as each generation passes. Most people kind of grow up a bit and learn (hopefully) at a pretty …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 01:15 AM
–	Could u in the 80s as a Man basically "just exist" and you were basically guaranteed that u will end up with a Wife + Family? Was it that easy? Thanks, yeah he kindly answered my question. Thanks as well!	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/23 01:53 PM
–	Could u in the 80s as a Man basically "just exist" and you were basically guaranteed that u will end up with a Wife + Family? Was it that easy? Ahh so you are saying social media as a whole rather than OLD? Ok. But don’t a significant amount of people meet at school (university)? I get what you are saying about work, that is probably a bit touch and go…. I do have young people in the family (early to mid/late 20s) I realise it’s not so much clubbing anymore but music festivals, wine bars, and house parties tend to be a thing. School definitely seems to be a thing, clubs, sports, hobbies. I’m definitely not discounting what you are sayin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/23 01:50 PM
–	Could u in the 80s as a Man basically "just exist" and you were basically guaranteed that u will end up with a Wife + Family? Was it that easy? I guess but I would like to ask you a genuine question. I am really getting the idea that a lot of young women are not using the apps. Or if they are, they are leaving pretty quickly because they don’t like the experience, or getting discouraged, or perhaps meeting someone quickly and then leaving. Whenever someone quotes the stats on the apps it seems there are way more men than women on them? That’s correct yes? Isn’t it fair to suggest then that women are still really only for the most part m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/23 01:26 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Maybe you are confused because you are only considering it in terms of attraction rather than the big picture? I can assure you that most people do tend to “big picture” these things, at least in my experience. Maybe if you wish to understand a bit more it would help to put that aside the attraction issue for one second and take a look at a bigger picture. A lot of (most hopefully) 30 year old men and women can acknowledge that they have significantly developed, grown and changed from when they …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/23 11:22 AM
1	Does marriage benefit women? Marriage is a legally binding contract. Probably one of the most important you will sign in your life and has significant legal implications. All people, whether men or women, should read the contract before signing and determine whether it is of benefit to you. The contract also outlines what happens if either party wishes to leave the contract. The other stuff you mentioned, such as housework, is more about who you marry. The contract itself doesn’t care if you marry someone who cleans the bat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/23 12:50 AM
1	Marriage 2.0 is much better than Marriage 1.0 I think marriage with divorce is a bit more than just a long term relationship. I also think people would benefit from noting the difference. On one hand there are vows yes, you have listed the vows that are most common: to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death us do part. I think some people forget that they have made a vow to love and cherish, and I notice that you left them out as we…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/23 07:16 AM
2	Q4M: Would you rather be needed by OR wanted by a woman? The boomers divorced, I mean they really divorced! If you are interested this link gives a bit of a general run down of divorce with each generation: https://www.goldbergjones-or.com/divorce/divorce-by-generation/ But in terms of the boomers, you can see the following quote as a sum up: “Even as the Baby Boomers continue to age, they divorce more than any other age group. Between 1990 and 2012, the divorce rate for 55 to 64-year-olds more than doubled. For the 65-and-older crowd, that number mor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/23 05:37 AM
1	Most attractive men know they are attractive, and the whole “you’re probably not as good looking as you think you are” nonsense is just a deflection and shaming tactic to once again divert attention from reality So what do you think is going on? Do you have an idea? Brave of you to straight up put your photo online btw.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/23 03:34 AM
2	Discussion : Have you ever been caught by an unexplainable long dry spell despite not changing or doing anything different? Missed the boat for what? A LTR? Probably not but it might be time to get your arse to the wharf and seriously plot a course to your travel destination if that’s what your really want. It’s a really unpopular opinion so take it with a pinch of salt, but finding a life partner should not be left to total random happenstance. Think about any other major project that you were approaching that incorporated success across 50 years, involves financial/ asset merger, a merger of mutual life time goals,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/23 01:44 AM
–	Online misogyny is the product of a closed social ecosystem. Thoughts? 😂 “Nerdy, “very online” women, particularly weeaboos and gamers, are more promiscuous than normal women” Absolutely! Nothing defines out of control sex kitten quite like a gamer women glued to her computer on Saturday night for a WoW raid. Bloody harlots every damn one of them….	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/23 01:07 AM
0	If you struggle with dating, you are BELOW average Yep! Completely agree. I think we are just discussing a slight difference in the use of terminology. I think I use: dating, courting, marriage. The courting stage would be limited to 1 or 2 people, while dating is a much broader set of circumstances. I think perhaps you might dating more narrowly (perhaps very early stages of a relationship?), then apply courting to a wider set of circumstances. No big deal. I was just curious…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 03:30 AM
1	If you struggle with dating, you are BELOW average Ahh, I generally associate courting with “courting for marriage”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 03:16 AM
1	How often are women marrying men they have little sexual desire for (or far little compared to other guys they’ve been with)? Are they cognizant of the long term effects of such decisions? Ok sorry. That’s the impression I got from your second paragraph. It seemed to me you are saying that irreconcilable differences a few years later (kids school age) = assumption that these women didn’t find their partners hot at the time of walking down the aisle. Perhaps I misunderstood. I’m glad we agree that it is very obvious that sexual desire is not fixed over a life time, a simple search on google will put that to rest…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 02:50 AM
4	If you struggle with dating, you are BELOW average You have COURTED dozens of women? That doesn’t fit my concept of courting. Would you mind explaining that a little more so I can follow your point please?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 02:36 AM
2	Developed countries and the context of the us place in birth rate decline Yes. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 11:56 PM
3	How often are women marrying men they have little sexual desire for (or far little compared to other guys they’ve been with)? Are they cognizant of the long term effects of such decisions? I don’t disagree. There also seems to be a built in assumption in OP’s post that sexual desire remains in a fixed state over a lifetime. Some kind of “if you find him/her red hot at the time of walking down the aisle” then lock that in! Why? Why on earth would you assume that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 11:48 PM
–	Would a woman working in a male dominated industry be a deal breaker? I understand we are talking with a firm difference in opinion and that’s fine, I thank you for the conversation but I do really disagree with you. I get you are talking about quite specific situations to illustrate your point and I don’t disagree with them specifically. But I do believe on mass, men do very much care about their potential partners (dating partner) skills, earning potential, income and I have also witnessed this with much more boring examples than you have given so I won’t bore y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 01:40 PM
–	Would a woman working in a male dominated industry be a deal breaker? You had a great deal to say about how “women are not providers for men”. “They only take from men”, and “that’s normal and natural and good for human survival” just as a small sample. Honestly I do think men care a great deal about woman’s earning capability and potential. I’m going to go even further and say I don’t think it’s only a modern thing, I think it’s been a survival necessity. I think it’s pretty obvious and easy to witness as well. In many families or partnerships if a woman loses he…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 01:00 PM
–	Would a woman working in a male dominated industry be a deal breaker? You make it sound so clear cut and absolute but it’s just not. Men have historically provided yes, but I guess the balance I think you are missing is that so have women. It’s an unfortunate fact that historically a very large percentage of the population have been dirt level poor. Women have had to work in one form or another whether it be factory, farm, laundries, bakeries, you get the idea. Yes, I grant you that if you happen to be of the class where your husband could earn enough to support t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 12:32 PM
1	What's your unpopular dating opinion? Something you truly believe, but would get you downvoted if you said it? Super interesting read!	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 09:11 AM
–	What's your unpopular dating opinion? Something you truly believe, but would get you downvoted if you said it? I don’t think there should be a “should” in there. I think it’s neat that you have a choice: get married young if you want and build a life together, or build your life and then get married. Why take options off the table? Options are great…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 09:01 AM
–	What's your unpopular dating opinion? Something you truly believe, but would get you downvoted if you said it? Heh, interesting thought. I wonder who my parents would have married me off to? Scary thought tbh….	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 04:28 AM
–	What's your unpopular dating opinion? Something you truly believe, but would get you downvoted if you said it? Your view on how to approach relationships and marriage will vastly affect the outcome. Negativity, resentment, hatred, distrust, disrespect will lead you at best to a tolerable level of unhappiness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 04:01 AM
1	Are many pill men looking for monogamy/marriage? Oh god, pure misery.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 12:29 AM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread That sounds great, I wish him well. Hopefully if he applies they might have some accommodation options for him. It’s not unusual for positions to have to field these kind of questions, particularly it locations where they have trouble filling positions due to shortage of candidates.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 02:15 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Hmmm, if he doesn’t have any particular ties has he considered jobs with that might have accommodation attached, particularly in the more remote areas? Food harvesting/fruit picking? Apprenticeship on a mining site like mechanic/heavy vehicle? If he wants to enter into education you might be able to pick up student housing (at least where I am located).	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 10:57 AM
–	CMV Women arent more delusional today, they just can choose freely with no boundaries. Just a quick note about examples for your points, I’m not quite sure they are the best to illustrate as they are not specifically for women. Domestic violence Welfare for single mothers Privileges for maternity leave NGO support I know they are primarily labeled as “women’s services” I’m definitely not questioning that. But I’m not sure if you are aware at how broad (and in some ways quite targeted) they are in regards to protecting and benefiting children at the same time. To illustrate my poin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 07:08 AM
3	[CMV] You have to PAY in order to be loved I’m not sure that is right. I mean just look at the backlash around gender politics recently. Women stopped DOING quite a few things and some people are very damned upset about it apparently. It appears women may not be loved unconditionally, in fact it appears that in the eyes of some that it quite conditional indeed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/23 03:14 AM
8	Non-monogamy is the perfect solution for people who were raised from broken homes and dysfunctional families. Why on earth would people from “broken homes” or “dysfunctional families” find more complicated and diverse relationships structures easier to navigate again?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 08:12 AM
1	Everyone that says men who arent virgins are hypocritical for wanting virgin women, should people with an abusive family and background, only date people with similar backgrounds? Heh, difficult to answer as the question is to broad. I guess common sense comes into play which most people will have a sense of by the time they hit adulthood. Try applying the reasonable person test if in doubt “what would a reasonable person think”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 06:35 AM
1	Everyone that says men who arent virgins are hypocritical for wanting virgin women, should people with an abusive family and background, only date people with similar backgrounds? Well, hang on. Did the non virgin somehow manage to only sleep with only virgins on their journey to discovery and suddenly develop a sense of disgust for the sake of this argument? Because there seems to be a bit of that going around “I slept with 20 women but need a virgin wife because non virgin women are somehow now yucky”. Edit: ignore me. I had a hard time following your sentence and I think I got your argument wrong. Sorry….	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 06:16 AM
2	Outside of dating apps, how are you supposed to start a relationship? Doesn’t everyone love brunch?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 11:18 PM
1	I think “shy / anxious / socially awkward” traits are common in society. I think they affect men’s dating prospects vastly more than women’s. With this in mind, are women too often dismissive of men’s dating struggles? Yep, I think we are both stepping very carefully. University is a is a great example, so is the entire education system. There is plenty of room to argue that the entire education system is not supporting boy’s/young men’s educational needs. This is a critical issue that has life long consequences for boys, and I would argue that the ripples extend even beyond. I don’t really see it as a zero sum game though? I think there is room to fully explore how to maximise the education to meet the divers…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 06:02 AM
2	I think “shy / anxious / socially awkward” traits are common in society. I think they affect men’s dating prospects vastly more than women’s. With this in mind, are women too often dismissive of men’s dating struggles? Kind of, or maybe? But I think your post and the one above is interesting. I think there is massive government responses to the problems often cited on this sub but they are not often mentioned, or when they are they are glossed over, because they don’t fit well with the narrative or the language that is used in the Men’s Rights space (im not sure if that is the right term sorry). As such, they aren’t fitting the “response specially to men’s issues” label in a way that the response to domestic v…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 05:10 AM
2	This sub really needs to stop calling men who struggle in dating "socially inept" Neat! More details! This is truly taking form! So far we are at a small pilot of say 20 men (?) who are highly unsuccessful in the dating market. Provide them with a cheque of $2000 to be spent on entertainment/dating activities only. At the end of (so many day/months) undertake a small questionnaire/ some kind of testing to see if they have increased in terms of positive experiences with dating and compare with a control group? Follow up (so several months later?) to see if the subject group’s …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 02:33 AM
1	This sub really needs to stop calling men who struggle in dating "socially inept" I’m liking your pitch! I’m going to need you to throw in a bit more detail to fill in the gap specifically between the “write men a cheque” and “sustainable, stable couple”. I would also prefer a bit higher than 20% but I’m kinda willing to settle for the 20, I’m a chill kind of person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 01:51 AM
1	This sub really needs to stop calling men who struggle in dating "socially inept" It’s flipping annoying but as a society we try to avoid the “fail fast - fix fast” approach in medicine these days. People get mighty upset, take legal action, endlessly cast blame even decades later and even bring in laws. Ethics man…..	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 01:45 AM
1	This sub really needs to stop calling men who struggle in dating "socially inept" Ok, adding money into the market to grease the social wheel, nice! Is your end goal is pairing people off or just a sexual occurrence? I would happily support tax dollars designed to increase social access (particularly after Covid) and support small business (restaurants and such), but would also want sustainable outcomes. I want to know what I’m buying and know that it will stay bought…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 01:35 AM
1	This sub really needs to stop calling men who struggle in dating "socially inept" Heh, interesting thought exercise. Bonkers but interesting. I think you would find that it would have more unintended consequences that just adding more sex into the dating market targeted to where you think it would be helpful however.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 01:27 AM
6	Is the reason why single women are happier than single men because their celibacy is mostly a choice? You are very young to be offering absolutes then? Not a criticism, but an observation for you to take into account.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 01:02 AM
6	I (22M) need help to overcome my insecurity about my girlfriend’s (22F) past. Interesting. You have posted this across at least 6 other sites (exact text - within the last 5 hours), made a rate my nude body post (only 20 days old) and have several comments attempting to engage with other women (20 days old). Im not overly internet savvy so I’m assuming you are either: Karma farming trying to make some kind of point have way more problems in your 6 month relationship than your girlfriend’s previous sexual history. To answer your question however just in case it’s point 3, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/23 02:23 AM
8	Do women confuse their socioeconomic status with their SMV? How old are your friends? I don’t mean that rudely, I’m just trying to gage the real life experience of the group of people (your friends) making that statement. You may not believe me but in very real terms the overall life path of someone who has a successful marriage with a lawyer to one that has a successful marriage with a retail worker is going to be very different (assuming your group of friends incomes are similar). Grass roots different. The disparity of key life indicators are going to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 05:00 AM
6	Guys don’t seem to be on the same page about submissive partners I know that you are probably envisioning this differently to me but I find your comments incredibly sad. I don’t think I could be part of a partnership for life in which I could not celebrate the successes, feel pride and awe for my partner for things that they were able to achieve through their own strengths, skills, insights and creativity. If only for pure selfishness for what value they bring by broadening and introducing things into my own life that I could never imagine, or have time to ac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 03:35 AM
1	How do you justify asking for a woman with a low body count, if yours is high? I don’t disagree, but what I am constantly amazed with is how adaptable our basic biology combined with our psychology actually is! Our biology absolutely does not allow us to breath underwater, but we can tolerate living underwater for some time using tech. That should be a very hard stop but it appears that isn’t. Our biology absolutely does not allow us to fly, enter space, in fact anything that excludes the intake of air as a minimum but the human animal is quite bizarre in our level of adap…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 12:20 AM
1	CMV After a certain looks level, social skills, money and status matters more for you‘re smv then better looks, and there are 1000s of proofs out there. Or perhaps, not quite as much as you speculate….	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/23 01:51 PM
1	CMV After a certain looks level, social skills, money and status matters more for you‘re smv then better looks, and there are 1000s of proofs out there. Meh, you want to fish from the pool of women that would date guys that live out of cars? Go for it. Most don’t though. They want to fish from a pool of women that manage comfortably around a higher level of status, money and social skills.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/23 11:52 PM
5	Female access to education, and their social and financial independence, are the primary cause of male loneliness, falling birthrates, and hypergamy. Ahh I see. Perhaps then one should use some caution then, particularly when one finds oneself advocating for the reduction of freedom and rights of others…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/23 04:41 AM
8	Female access to education, and their social and financial independence, are the primary cause of male loneliness, falling birthrates, and hypergamy. If you truly have such stunning predictive powers to view the only possible outcomes in the late 21st century, and chart all of the possible progresses and changes that can occur between now and then, then you have a singular talent. But let’s face it, it’s highly highly doubtful. Until such amazing talents are is proven though, I see no value whatsoever in throwing around terms like fascist dictator and populist uprisings and advocating for a course of action the vastly restricts the outcomes f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/23 02:40 AM
8	Female access to education, and their social and financial independence, are the primary cause of male loneliness, falling birthrates, and hypergamy. Or, there is just some screaming into the void while the fast majority are just getting on with their day adapting as they go. Very little can be achieved with alarmism. It fact, part of dealing with anything that is truly alarming (such as an actual crisis) is separating out the alarmists/people who like to escalate that add unnecessary noise and cause unnecessary panic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/23 02:20 AM
7	Female access to education, and their social and financial independence, are the primary cause of male loneliness, falling birthrates, and hypergamy. Oh stop it. Society’s are by nature under change. There is people alive today who have witnessed incredible social changes and you will to. The hysteria is boring. People have always needed to learn to manage change (good and bad) just as they always have. By learning to do so your internal world will be a lot more comfortable and you will feel a lot more confident. The sky is not falling chicken little.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/23 02:01 AM
–	If a Man Wants to Court Rather than Date, Is It Easier or Harder? How Should His Approach to Meeting Women Change? It don’t think either are necessary easier or harder, they are just different. Courting someone is a more deliberate, directed act of undertaking the planning stages for marriage. The process of marrying someone is actually quite a large complex project if done well, and courting has a mutual understanding of the outcome. For instance, a proposal is just a stage in courting, a more formal act of acceptance of offer of marriage and a social declaration of intent. There are many steps before that.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 11:58 PM
1	Asking that women be with men they are not attracted to has never, is never, and will never be a remotely plausible solution to anything. Socialisation might very well be a key point in the majority of cases. I think you have a point. We, as a society, already put a significant amount of time and resources in trying to address this as it is recognised already as important. A key part of the schooling program is to teach appropriate social interaction, it’s not only about the three Rs. It starts, as far as I know, at kindergarten about aged 4? through to hopefully at least 16 years. It’s also the primary experience people get to in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 02:11 AM
3	Are socioeconomic standards part of the reason why older women get pissed at age gap relationships? Yeah, I don’t think it’s only an “older women” thing, it’s could also be very much a parenting thing. It doesn’t even need to be a basement dweller, most parents just want their kids to have a rich, full life if possible. Older people can look more accomplished, smarter or more impressive to a younger person when actually they have just had more time to achieve some really basic life goals. That car, job, apartment, social skills, life experience? It can make an older person looking pretty shiny…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/23 08:06 AM
1	Those in happy LTR's, what has been the key for your success? I married extremely well. I married someone who has a genuine desire to support and increase my overall life experience, wellbeing and comfort. I give my absolute best to return the favour. Married over 30 years.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 11:50 PM
1	In what ways could both sexes come to a better understanding? Meh, maybe. I would be a bit hesitant in clamping down on sex within a population when the rates are already sharply dropping however. It’s kind of a surprising realisation for me that appears that humans are, under the right conditions, willing and able to give up sex (and hence reproduction) in large numbers at a population level. Japan is fascinating, it appears that increasingly young people are not having sex in rather large numbers. This is a bit different from just not dating, or willing …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 02:36 AM
1	Should people protest this issue, if they believe in it? Well I guess massive age gap relationships aren’t that prevalent, and on the occasions that it they do happen, they are not always permanent or problematic. Of those that are problematic, the factors that are problems are already quite rigorously protested about in terms of demanding a government response (domestic violence) so it’s all bundled up so to speak.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 01:49 AM
1	In what ways could both sexes come to a better understanding? Are we not seeing this effect play out later in the dating game anyway? It is my understanding that increasingly people that are marrying tend to pair off later towards their 30’s and divorce statistics among this group are decreasing a bit so it seems like a bit of a stabilising factor. I’m going to take a guess (please excuse me if I’m wrong) and believe that you are looking for a lever that would encourage an increase in monogamous stable relationships forming at a younger age than late 20’s …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 11:40 PM
4	Men need to lose the psychological battle Your original claim that I was referring to was “I think Australia already has rules against men bringing back younger women. Basically at Australian immigration they have bitter post wall women that are supposed to decide if guys can bring back younger Thai women. Or so I was told by some guy online” So perhaps today, your take away could be to not to get all your information from dodgy sources online and let it shape your opinions? You’re welcome!	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 05:43 AM
4	Men need to lose the psychological battle Well yes, it’s immigration law. Australia also has this: https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/criminal-justice/files/forced-marriage-fact-sheet-media.pdf Do you want to protest that as well? And I will also note this: “What I mean is that whether someone is 50 or 21, if they’re on the same ‘wavelength’ or same page as you are, age is nothing but a number. Who am I to judge? Who are the case officers at the Department to judge? So what is the Department concerned about when they start questioning coupl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 05:27 AM
4	Men need to lose the psychological battle Unless you are in Australia complaining against not being able to get a visa for a foreign partner who is under 18 years? Direct from the Australian immigration site: You must: be 18 years old or older have a sponsor who is an Australian citizen, permanent resident or eligible New Zealand citizen intend to marry your prospective spouse before the visa period ends be outside of Australia when you apply for this visa. https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-listing/prospective-ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 04:51 AM
5	CMV: Foreign brides make better wives for American men than American women do and American men make better husbands for foreign brides than foreign men do (from that same country). In terms of divorce I think the effect is somewhat minimal: “Divorce. Several studies using government data have found that overall divorce rates are higher for couples who married out than for those who married in—but here, too, the patterns vary by the racial and gender characteristics of the couples. An analysis conducted a decade ago found that 10 years after they married, interracial couples had a 41% chance of separation or divorce, compared with a 31% chance among couples who married with…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 04:38 AM
2	Women insist that their “taste” or standards are instinctual and without any outside influence, and that they can’t be changed when the opposite has been proven when it comes to physical attraction. Their inflated standards are quite clearly the direct result of their abundance of options. Oh, your welcome. That goes both ways. Always nice to chat with someone on an interesting topic. This point caught my eye on one of the papers I’m currently reading: “It is possible that population differences in women’s preference for body hair might be associated with the prevalence of ectoparasites in the ancestral environment of population because naked individuals would have been less susceptible to ectoparasites” which is super interesting cross culturally. https://academic.oup.com/beheco/…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 01:31 AM
1	Women insist that their “taste” or standards are instinctual and without any outside influence, and that they can’t be changed when the opposite has been proven when it comes to physical attraction. Their inflated standards are quite clearly the direct result of their abundance of options. Thanks for the rabbit hole. Who knew I would be reading studies on body hair today? It’s an interesting argument you have made but, at least from my preliminary look, to seems to still fall into the it’s complex, more research needed, and we don’t know category.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 01:04 AM
3	Women insist that their “taste” or standards are instinctual and without any outside influence, and that they can’t be changed when the opposite has been proven when it comes to physical attraction. Their inflated standards are quite clearly the direct result of their abundance of options. The presence of a certain “fashionable” trait within a population, even if found in a number of locations on a world wide platform, (particularly if it is primarily performed in the upper classes), does not mean it will be practiced across the whole (or even most) of the population. It’s therefore pretty hard to assign it to a biological preference surely. There is neat examples of body modifications of some sort (scarring, piecing, skin colourations of some sort) or even more extreme examples s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/23 11:56 PM
1	Men overly fixated on women's sex lives have other issues I agree with a lot that you have said, though I do somewhat disagree with your first two paragraphs in terms of your comments on “we have lived with the important changes for a long time”. Generally social change takes some time (in generational years). I’m actually quite stunned at how quickly change has taken place in regards to gender norms. I think you will need to hold on to your hat for some time yet! In regards to child rearing architectures and marriage I see many hurdles and will name b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 01:19 PM
2	Does the past matter? Talking about sexual history Ok, that was gold. Firmly placed in the “seemed like a good idea at the time” category.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 05:09 AM
–	Men overly fixated on women's sex lives have other issues Interesting! I really liked your post. I agree with a lot of it, particularly the second paragraph but I’m also wary of a lot. I’m happy to explain if you are still interested on an old post? Firstly in regards to a historical view and viewing the changes in behaviour and placing it in context of societal rules. For a bit of context when I say this, my grandparents were from the Great Generation (who I knew well) and my parents the silent generation. Therefore I have watched with interest both w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 02:01 AM
–	Men overly fixated on women's sex lives have other issues Ok. I’m pretty sure I do not really subscribe to the pair bonding concept that you have put forward, I have seen it put forward in other contexts as well and I find it a bit dubious to say the least. I also find historical wisdom interesting and useful when looking at these concepts particularly when trying to understand societal change. I’m a little hesitant to believe I have a clear understanding of what you were trying to convey in your last paragraph, but I do feel it had slightly a tone of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/23 06:33 AM
0	Traditional or 'pick me' women are the smartest people on Earth, outside the elite few men who run the world. Probably	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/23 03:03 AM
2	Men overly fixated on women's sex lives have other issues Sure. But there is also a vast amount of theory suggesting that sex is healthy, great exercise, great stress relief, and great for the mind. It’s almost surreal to think that the just because someone walked down an aisle and signed a piece of paper that it gained all those benefits. Or that because the act was completed with one “special” person it suddenly became a healthy act. There is a huge amount of social construct around sex (other than disease related-health) that can be adjusted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/23 02:47 AM
9	Traditional or 'pick me' women are the smartest people on Earth, outside the elite few men who run the world. Neat, and I mean that. An increasingly diverse society (and tech) will hopefully give you a choice. Just as you have the choice of being a house husband, it’s all neat right? Go at it….	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/23 02:30 AM
2	Men overly fixated on women's sex lives have other issues Well indeed. The complexity is undoubted. What I do object to as a starting point however is the concept (in any way it is put) of “human’s are not built this way”, simply because of the complexity involved. We could very well be built this way, the complexity could be hiding that. The downside of promiscuity is undoubtedly health related to which can be addressed on a health platform. Social/psychological? Well is that due to the opposing forces on a societal expectation? Who knows… The fact is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/23 02:25 AM
18	Traditional or 'pick me' women are the smartest people on Earth, outside the elite few men who run the world. Well that’s a pretty package you painted there isn’t it? The amazing thing now is that society becoming increasingly accepting and diverse, that men can jump on this little picture perfect fantasy with no down side! Let’s see in 20 years how many men follow the calling even in a modern world. In before “lol I would love to stay home and play computer games all day”. Nope you clever little devils, you get the same conditions and restrictions of the fantasy land you live in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/23 02:08 AM
0	Men overly fixated on women's sex lives have other issues Are we sure though? Are we absolutely sure that’s not how humans work? Because there seems to be massive changes when societal values change and it seems to shift human behaviour on mass considerably and quickly. In fact sexual behaviour is an excellent example of social values changing and behaviour shifting. So perhaps it’s worth thinking that maybe human sexuality does indeed work like that without that particular societal restraint? Maybe societal restraints were placing limits on human sexu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/23 01:22 AM
1	We need to give mothers a WAY better deal That’s cheaper than I imagined to be honest. Though I have no idea what medical costs would tally up to. Are we talking about 60k American?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 04:27 PM
1	We need to give mothers a WAY better deal What privileges are we transferring again and how would that work exactly?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 03:54 PM
1	We need to give mothers a WAY better deal Well perhaps. But in a society such as we have today, just existing and having three children does not incorporate necessarily all the negatives you listed. Some people would indeed have three children for 200,000 alone. But you portrayed it quite differently with your increased negatives. I’m not sure where the “unfair to men” comes in exactly, I’m pretty sure having 200,000 flowing into the household for having kids would be pretty handy to be honest. If you want to pare it off as some sort of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 12:31 PM
0	We need to give mothers a WAY better deal I’m not sure you answered my question on what it would cost for you to take up the deal that you described? If you did then apologies. If you didn’t then please put a price tag on it, I would be interested to know! I can assure you that there is no way I would I would sign up for 200,000 a year if it included reproduction, childcare costs, fear of violence costs, actual violence, being sexualised and abused, and more! If that’s the job description then no, I would remain happily employed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 12:12 PM
1	We need to give mothers a WAY better deal Heck, well I’m not sure you can pay/service provision your way out of all that. I would interested to hear what it would it cost you,using imaginative speculation, to offset the costs of all the negatives you mentioned?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 11:37 AM
7	We need to give mothers a WAY better deal True, but it would be an astonishing achievement. You would need to elevate the status of motherhood/family hood and then provide a complete supporting structure around it. It would be competing with the dual income/no children lifestyle. I don’t think you need you need to “reward” women as a singular entity, the commitment for parenthood is held by both parental entities. You could consider policy that would (possibly) reward the family as a unit. Basically you would need to replace the support…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 11:23 AM
2	Describe the "modern man" Ahh but the “modern” part come in with the ability to adjust to a constantly changing environment. To be able to predict change, be flexible, and forward thinking. That is what I meant with my first sentence “process and adjust to their current environment”. Current social rules, current economy, current opportunities.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 02:11 AM
1	Describe the "modern man" A modern, successful man is simply one that can process and adjust to their current environment. Has the capacity to seek and identify opportunity available to them and has the discipline and resilience to continue to create in such a way as to get the best out of what they can secure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 12:37 AM
3	Do you agree with the belief that women don’t have to change themselves or dedicate significant time and effort to self improvement to have the relationship they want? People generally date/partner up within their socioeconomic group. That’s who they identify with, have shared values and interests with, and can basically envision a shared life with. I imagine that women, just like men, put a considerable amount of effect into meeting the requirements of the socioeconomic group they were raised in. Some even (both men and women) step it up a notch and reach a higher level than their parents. So yep, I have no doubt that women put in the required effect to blend…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 12:21 PM
4	What are guys supposed to do to improve their situation realistically? Interesting! I’m glad you posted that. I don’t see that raised very often. I think there could be a bit more involved though, I would be interested in your feedback. Firstly, I really don’t think you necessarily need to reinvent the wheel to see why women are increasingly “opting out”. I will try and explain: Firstly young women are now pursuing careers or at least methods to support themselves. That takes time and entering into a relationship unfortunately takes energy and reduces opportunity. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/23 01:40 AM
1	Do you think stay at home parents should earn a salary? Interesting. But what would the price point even be and could society even afford it? I mean comparing to other products on th3 markets we are talking about: A product that not only replicates itself but also creates the product that is critical in the process (women make the next generation of women and also men). A product that creates the entirety of humanity and is currently the only source (every single human since Adam and Eve, - if you believe in that kind of thing - throughout history wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:35 AM
1	Patriarchy 2.0 Is Coming Perhaps. I don’t draw any particular conclusions around benevolence. I do however think it is very interesting in an economic sense and globalisation. There is no doubt however that there is very real benefits to having direct access to finance and opportunity, it would be very hard to argue against that claim. Just as it would be hard to argue that it does not come with its own set of challenges. My overall point however is that the global economic market is very hard to ignore and it seems to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/23 10:42 AM
1	Patriarchy 2.0 Is Coming Could be. But I believe global forces and competition on the global market will still be very difficult to avoid and come at a cost. Once again, not claiming any economic expertise but I am interested, and ensuring/preparing to be competitive in the global market place has been influential in the most interesting places. I came across the Saudi Arabia economic Policy about 8 months ago and read it with interest, it directly talked about the need at an economic level to increase the human capital…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/23 03:53 AM
2	Patriarchy 2.0 Is Coming We shall see. I’m not an economist nor a expert on military strategy, but the advantages I listed do hold basis in reality. How globalisation will maintain I would not know, but I firmly believe it will maintain. It is just to damn profitable. If you can buy a widget cheaper someplace else, the market will do so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/23 02:16 AM
4	Patriarchy 2.0 Is Coming Gobalisation is supported by so many factors: technology (which is not reducing), increasing investment in other countries (huge and damn profitable), global supply chains (speaks for itself), increasing and easier modes of communication (I’m speaking to you aren’t I?), reduced barriers in the exchange of currency, manufacturing specialisation (ability to source specialised components on a world wide market to combine into complex tech), amongst just a few. I see absolutely no reason or even the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/23 02:01 AM
1	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now I don’t see the point on having a conversation about a complex issue if you can not grasp the complexity?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/23 12:03 AM
1	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now Perhaps you are concentrating on a single element of society when there are many? The reason I ask is because you noted that you believe that these influential events might not have caused such an up tick in society if had not been structured this way. However later on in your comments you seem to be more focused on sexual dynamics, 2 parent household’s etc rather than the societal structure as a whole. This leads me to believe you are perhaps focusing on a smaller element of society rather than…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/23 11:55 PM
1	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now Well, I’m reasonably confident because when measuring happiness, world wide events and other historical factors (such as major economic events) tend to be quite influential.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/23 09:53 PM
2	I ate a lot of edibles and have an idea about a new kind of sexual arrangement. Is this a good idea or am I just super baked? Have you considered that they have expressed interest in you because they don’t as yet understand that you wish to put a monetary value on their interest? Placing a monetary value on their interest commodified it, places boundaries around it and limits their power over how their own interest can be expressed. The exchange of money shifts the expectations they can reasonably expect from you. As does your expectation of a non disclosure agreement. Have you given any thought on how you would enforc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/23 09:42 PM
1	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now Ok, let’s start this new conversation that you feel I have in someway dishonestly avoided. Yes, of course happiness is effected by societal structure in addition to other factors.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/23 09:11 PM
1	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now You my friend are all over the place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/23 09:01 PM
1	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now But your question was “is the happiness of society only affected by the economy” just above. And to me it was “you seem to be implying happiness is a function of the economy and the end of the war” and “but what about fulfilling relationships family etc” The second one I feel I answered in detail and you did not appear to have any follow on questions?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/23 08:38 PM
0	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now “Jesus Christ why can’t anybody answer a simple question” Honestly? I’m guessing because the answer to your repeatedly asked (rather odd and narrow) question is general knowledge, people might be trying to assist you over the hurdle of figuring it out. Multiple people have tried to guide you at the very least to start by placing it in a wider historical context. Honestly, it will help…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/23 08:05 PM
3	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now Yes, it is not much of a surprise. The contrast in life experience between those two periods must have been almost blinding.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/23 03:28 AM
1	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now Got you. No, I’m not saying that at all. I guess without writing a book what I am saying is that these types of massive events affected most areas of life. Obviously a world war does affect the essence (if you will) of home life itself (your point) at a core level (death, injury, grief, hunger, fear, loss - and all the rest). Just as financial circumstances affect the core of the family (hunger, fear, loss of stability). The end of the war, although it brought its own challenges (returning servi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/23 11:56 PM
2	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now Sorry, would you mind confirming you read my edit? I think we may have missed each other comments wise?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/23 11:45 PM
2	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now Ok, apologies. Chalk it up to me not understanding your reasoning. I miss read your response to my comment, as it appeared to me to only highlight the economic. Edit: Ahh, I get it now! Probably my clumsy framing! Let me try again. My point was two part: People’s reported level of happiness in the 1950’s could very well (and rather sensibly) be attributed to the end of a world war. People’s reported level of happiness could also (along with the above) be attributed to the economic boom. In other…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/23 11:35 PM
9	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now You think the Second World War didn’t affect society? You think an economic boom doesn’t affect society? Bizarre.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/23 10:33 PM
2	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now Ok, people often forget the “for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish” bit as well. The “worse” does not out weigh the “cherish” or “love”. That all is hard to hold conceptually, but at the end of the day one doesn’t get to behave in an manner that breaches all (or any) of the other vows and then point to “better or worse” as an enforcer. I think if you really had an honest discussion with both parties going through a divorce you would find that, upon reflection,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/23 10:30 PM
10	Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high now You would probably be reporting overall increased levels of happiness if you were living in an economic boom after the end of the Second World War as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/23 10:16 PM
8	I ate a lot of edibles and have an idea about a new kind of sexual arrangement. Is this a good idea or am I just super baked? Let’s clarify here. At the core, your proposed “financial arrangement” with the woman involved is proposing exchanging money for sex right? You are not proposing gifting them $300 for coming over and enjoying a glass of wine and a movie right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/23 04:09 AM
0	"Why a shortage of Mr Rights means single mothers hold the key to the falling birthrate" Yes, to a certain degree. You see quite a bit of that now walking around the streets with grandma and grandad pushing the pram. The issue is when they get past that point unfortunately, when they need a higher physical level of care. Modern employment opportunities tend to also favour shifting for work, that tends to increase geographical difficulties when the young try to have a family and gather up resources to support having kids. You are right though, it helps a lot when mum and dad are arou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/23 10:47 PM
2	"Why a shortage of Mr Rights means single mothers hold the key to the falling birthrate" There are parts of the world where day to day life is still pretty aggressive. Perhaps it might be best for you to visit or stay a while and see how you do before you dream of inflicting that on everyone? You know, have a few kids, see how well they do, see how well your manliness keep them alive? You know, all the practical stuff…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/23 10:38 PM
3	"Why a shortage of Mr Rights means single mothers hold the key to the falling birthrate" I completely agree with you. I guess that was my (probably poorly stated) point in the first sentence. It is no good threatening young folk with a tale of woe that might happen in 20 years when they are finding it hard to balance things now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/23 10:31 PM
2	"Why a shortage of Mr Rights means single mothers hold the key to the falling birthrate" Ahh interesting. So, instead of the monogamous relationship model, the raising of a child increasingly falls back to her biological family? Could work I guess, though the way employment opportunity works these days the extended family tends not to always live particularly close to each other.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/23 10:25 PM
1	"Why a shortage of Mr Rights means single mothers hold the key to the falling birthrate" I get the idea, but I sincerely doubt it. Most people are paycheque to paycheque now, it is damn expensive to support the elderly when one of their most prominent needs are health care related. Most households now and almost certainly in the future require two incomes. With both adults earning, there is no longer the time resources left in the household to care for the elderly in house. Plus, any kids you have might want their own kids. As we have pointed out, they cost a fortune. How is the mod…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/23 10:11 PM
2	"Why a shortage of Mr Rights means single mothers hold the key to the falling birthrate" The consequences are delayed, so “the rather adapt” is a bit conceptual as well. Those young people choosing not to have children now due to very rational reasons, are not going to prioritise the impact of them not producing a couple of kids (or 6) on society in 20 years.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/23 09:55 PM
0	Men have difficulties and inequalities that deserve recognition, but I struggle to take them seriously when it's often used to undermine issues women face Austria?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/23 10:41 PM
1	Women (who aren't cheaters) would actually benefit from mandatory paternity testing Got you. So the anonymised record is sent to record over all numbers in the population?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/22 06:41 AM
1	Women (who aren't cheaters) would actually benefit from mandatory paternity testing Ok. Thanks for the explanation. I had no idea that a DNA analysis could not be recorded and kept on file. I’m aware that the actual sample itself is destroyed, but I always assumed a record of the analysis could be retained.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/22 06:30 AM
8	Women (who aren't cheaters) would actually benefit from mandatory paternity testing No they don’t. But if they legislate that all children need to be tested at birth to confirm paternity for “birth cert” confirmation as OP was suggesting, where is that info to be held do you think?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/22 05:39 AM
23	Women (who aren't cheaters) would actually benefit from mandatory paternity testing Keep screaming loud enough and I’m pretty sure you have a chance of getting this through! I’m pretty sure that governments would salivate at getting the dna of every child born on record, oh and they could net the dna of every father so that gives them a head start on previous generations that they don’t have! I’m sure they would be crying at the thought. Ties in nicely with your SSN, income, driver’s license, taxes, gun applications, paternity / family law and it would sure cut out half the bul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/22 04:16 AM
1	Dating advice for men benefits women while devaluing men. Ahh I see. Thanks for clarifying because I wasn’t able to take that leap. It was the “sheath old optimism which shrouds a knife of lies and omission, and we would appreciate it if we were told the hard truths instead” that threw me. It appeared to me like you were giving the points as advice to avoid some kind of social trap, however to me the advice read like a bizarre unrealistic fantasy. Thanks for clearing that up and for the chat.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/22 12:45 AM
5	Dating advice for men benefits women while devaluing men. And you find these expectations are more “realistic” than establishing yourself and “getting your shit together”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/22 12:14 AM
8	Dating advice for men benefits women while devaluing men. So I have read your OP three times and tried to boil your thoughts down to ensure I have this right, could you confirm? You are advising (virgin or all men?) men to become passive in dating until they come across passively: Someone for whom they are tenacious, crazed enthusiastic and endowed with lust attraction for. Someone who is mutually tenacious, crazed enthusiastic and endowed with lust attraction in return. Someone who is young (I think?) so they can experience that first flush of love/se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/22 11:36 PM
1	Men are just as terrified of aging as women Can I ask what happened between 28 and 42? Did you not take care of yourself between those ages? A lot of flexibility can be lost during that time let alone stress on the joints if you aren’t careful, it’s damn hard to get it back without significant effort. Either way well done!	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/22 05:52 AM
5	What do men want in women, what do women want in men, and how are these desires different from eachother? I find your comments on leadership interesting. Great leaders really stand out and they should certainly be held in high regard. I feel it is safe to say however that I have not found all men make good leaders, and certainly not by default of just being a man. In fact there are some men that I wouldn’t let lead me through a supermarket let alone through any significant life event. Have you seen how some men “lead” their own lives? Now it goes therefore to follow, that if I would not be willing t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/22 08:21 AM
0	The last posts about intimacy and standards show how disconnected women is from the average men reality and how discussion is mainly a pointless effort Ok, fair enough. Though to honest I don’t necessarily have the same concerns as you. For me change isn’t necessarily bad, and “together” can take many forms. Thanks for the chat, I found it interesting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/22 11:18 PM
0	The last posts about intimacy and standards show how disconnected women is from the average men reality and how discussion is mainly a pointless effort Thanks for the reply. I’m still not convinced by your statement because I’m still not quite sure what we are measuring in terms of “suffering” and “history of this sort”. I think we are looking at this very differently. For example, if we had a pool of suffering I would like to throw in all current and historical hospital/ER records based on domestic violence and in any way related to marriage or pairing including birth, abortion related, rape (in marriage, external to marriage and dating), but …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/22 10:53 PM
1	The last posts about intimacy and standards show how disconnected women is from the average men reality and how discussion is mainly a pointless effort I’m not sure what you are saying, apologies. But if you are saying that not pairing up or not marrying is psychologically one, if not the most, damaging in terms of suffering in history? Then I’m not sure really where to go from there. I would be stuck because I would consider your claim to be so outrageous that it would be not worth discussing. If you are claiming that not pairing up or not marrying is one, if not the most, damaging in terms of suffering contained to specifically the realm of r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/22 09:59 PM
10	The last posts about intimacy and standards show how disconnected women is from the average men reality and how discussion is mainly a pointless effort “Yes a lot of unattractive men will suffer on a scale unseen before in history” Phew that’s a massive massive scale as well, particularly when you include some truly tragic historical events. And we are even going above that scale? Holy hell.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/22 02:58 AM
5	Being monogamous does not benefit a man in any way except one My issue with this is that it truly doesn’t make sense economically. Children are expensive, retirement is expensive, and inheritance is very valuable. For a man to have several wives, all the negatives are hit, while all the positives are a missed. The amount of income that would be needed to house, feed, educate, and launch young adults in the world with advantage, and then support two or three wives through retirement is well out of reach for most, massive compounding compromises would occur …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/22 10:05 PM
7	Because of the extreme lack of women which is greatly negative effecting men and society as whole. In the future do you think people will take extreme measures?: Such as genetic engineering to make sure more women are born? No, there would have to be a massive cultural shift at a bizarre dystopian level which would definitely not result in a “balanced and fair direction”. The breakdown in any such cultural norms would result in ugly results that almost certainly would not lean towards benefiting the under dog and wouldn’t stop at affecting just one of the sexes. Balanced and fair has never really been a defining characteristic of society anyway. Look at any other access to pretty much anything (food, water, educati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/22 09:47 PM
4	Q4ALL: Why do you only attack one sex? While I haven’t looked into your argument and facts at all, I’m happy to take this on face value. My primary issue isn’t around that there is differences in traits, but how it is applied and the meaning that’s assigned to it. There is a general argument that just won’t die, that different traits between the sexes means that at a “biological” level men and women must therefore assume certain roles and have specific limiting factors because that is what they are “made for”. The fact that this hasn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/22 10:16 PM
1	Relationship with the " Bad boy " is labeled as toxic only cause the woman invest more in the relationship retracted my comment. It was unkind and I was “poking the bear”. Apologies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/22 10:40 PM
3	Relationship with the " Bad boy " is labeled as toxic only cause the woman invest more in the relationship No disrespect, but I feel you may need to spend a bit more time in church reflecting on your faith. I’m not a religious person, but you appear to be claiming to be so, and your post reeks of intolerance, judgement and a dash of cruelty. I’m pretty sure, having read a few of your other posts, that’s not what you believe yourself to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/22 09:28 PM
3	It’s male projection that women will at least EVENTUALLY want to settle down with an Average Adam eventually. No relationship IS better than a bad or monotonous relationship, this cannot be stressed enough “I would add that I do have platonic female friends. And they do some stupid shit. Based on them women don’t use logic when dating”. Feel free to ignore this comment, I just wanted to thank you. The spontaneous laugh you gave me was needed today. Gods, the stupid shit I have seen young men do for “dating” over the years. Mostly it’s been a pleasure to see young people grow up through that, but some of it has been downright stupid and dangerous. Nothing like watching young men apply all that “log…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/22 11:11 PM
3	"My favourite thing about a woman, is she is not a man" Ahh interesting. If I may say so, I don’t necessarily see it as “penis envy” that your talking about then but rather class envy which I absolutely agree with. I feel it drove a lot of people forward to access social mobility and reap the benefits, and in my opinion still does. Even the horrors that your talking about (including war) sometimes had “solutions” if you were of an upper class with connections, or even to a lesser degree to my knowledge such as skilled exemptions. I’m not sure, as a g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/22 02:22 AM
2	Why should anyone get married now? And why is the “shit or get off the pot” mentality so prevalent among women, despite their independence? Because there are also legal decisions that need to be taken into account? Because life isn’t just roses? Because shit happens? What bit are you missing?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/22 11:00 PM
1	Why should anyone get married now? And why is the “shit or get off the pot” mentality so prevalent among women, despite their independence? “Truly ”love and trusted” the person they were making these decisions for” God you’re killing me here, have you sense of self preservation at all? I’m not sure you should be allowed to wear long pants yet…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/22 10:53 PM
1	Why should anyone get married now? And why is the “shit or get off the pot” mentality so prevalent among women, despite their independence? If you can’t see that long term relationships are often (dependent on local law) inclusive of legal responsibilities then I don’t know what to tell you. All this talk of “trust” is spiking my “naive as hell” radar.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/22 10:46 PM
1	Why should anyone get married now? And why is the “shit or get off the pot” mentality so prevalent among women, despite their independence? “My only point is that major decisions should only be made with the utmost trust, and it shouldn’t require a legal document to do that (having kids,moving cities etc.) if you cant’t trust to do those things with them without the forcible penalties associated with the dissolution of it, then you shouldn’t be doing it at all” You sound like a delightful man to go into business with! Of course no contract is needed, after all trust is everything. How much money do you have? I have a great bridge in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/22 10:15 PM
2	What does Average Adam have to offer for ANYONE Ok great. So who are they selecting that you can see with your eyes? How about you demonstrate by doing a non identifying blurb on your closest 5 coupled neighbours? Should be dead easy right? I have mentally done mine - shockingly mine appear remarkably similar in socioeconomic background, education level and outward appearance. I’m confident in that as I know all 5 couples very well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/22 09:53 PM
3	A woman’s past is important for men in the same way that a man’s height is important to women It’s also super important to also explore the “back in the day” stuff. Everyone knows how easy and perfect those relationships were!	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/22 10:54 PM
1	Family is the cornerstone of inter-generational success, yet it has been completely neglected by both red and blue pillers to the detriment of all So I read the article and wanted to make a few comments: “One reason why was that, back then, children were considered an economic asset: with enough kids, parents could rest assured that at least some would survive and care for them in old age.” Your article clearly argues for what it attributes to the reduction of the number of children within the family - the economy. Having a large family was at a particular point in history wise, they provided labour and later financial security if they sur…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/11/22 12:25 AM
5	Your mother didn’t “lie” to you. Women didn’t lie to you. They genuinely thought they were telling you the truth….and that most girls were not they them Back in the day? What day? Dude, I am old as bloody dirt, a well exercised body, good social skills, good life skills (specific to social demographics), relaxed with life experiences (man or women) has never “out of fashion”. It’s just been tweaked.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/22 12:31 AM
16	Your mother didn’t “lie” to you. Women didn’t lie to you. They genuinely thought they were telling you the truth….and that most girls were not they them Wait. You lot are upset that your mum didn’t raise you to be the boy (you imagine) first raised her pulse when she was a young girl? How the hell did you come up with that? Well, ok for argument sake how do you know she didn’t try? It’s a pretty common complaint that mum’s pressure their non sporty sons into sports or other physical activities. In fact some mum’s can be a bit bizarrely rough on trying to get their boys to fit a particular model. But If she tried to get you off computer games, en…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/22 10:44 PM
3	A note on desires before a relationship I’m not sure of the issues you are talking about? Seems fine to me, lots of people have goals prior to searching for a life partner and work hard to confirm that their goals and values mesh nicely. As for the high income, I guess it’s more than realistic if you move in the right social circles.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/22 06:08 AM
1	Most people don't think deeply about the goal of their relationship This is interesting! Perhaps there is something in this. I do feel what you described is not particularly unique though in a lot of ways. In your own description you noted that a goal orientated relationship was modelled by your parents and it made sense to you, so you continued on clearly understanding the framework. It also appears that the model you chose is reasonably traditional to some degree and once again that is not unknown territory (though it’s difficult to do well). I think a lot of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/22 11:46 PM
1	The same way we are slowly starting to change the expectation of young people and home ownership, should and will the expectations of the average man to find a relationship and have kids be tempered and brought up to date with modern realities? I see. Well rest assured that many people do not live in such a place. Unfortunate but nevertheless true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/22 11:53 AM
9	The same way we are slowly starting to change the expectation of young people and home ownership, should and will the expectations of the average man to find a relationship and have kids be tempered and brought up to date with modern realities? “Kids aren’t that expensive” I’m sorry what? You either got that wrong or I went about raising my family wrong. Kids are expensive, in some cases blindingly expensive if there is additional health or educational needs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/22 10:54 PM
1	What's the appeal of the bad boy? I think some kids (including young adults), both boys and girls, seem to be a little a slower on developing consequential thinking and applying limits. In this age group that tends to mean they come up with all the “fun” ideas, and are seemingly unconcerned to “try out new stuff” that some of their friends would pause at. Reduced consequential thinking and applying limits tends to give an aura of confidence (as they tend to not be worried about stuff going wrong) or they can often be genuinely q…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/22 11:03 PM
1	What's the appeal of the bad boy? :) heck, which ones are you thinking of? Perhaps some are just young people who haven’t developed consequential thinking or learnt to apply limits yet?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/22 10:53 PM
2	Can Sexual/ Physical Attraction be Developed Over Time? You sure you are witnessing in these girls overwhelming sexual attraction and not just youthful misuse of alcohol?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/22 09:18 PM
1	Promiscuity has little to do with looks in both men and women. Ahh I see. Ok, I guess most complex situations can be distilled down to a simple black and white argument, but it is highly likely to lose all value in the process and the conclusion that you “prove” is dubious at best and down right wrong at worst. Carry on then…. Edit: word again….	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/22 01:54 AM
1	Promiscuity has little to do with looks in both men and women. “Why would they find themselves in that situation if they were never in that situation before” With all due respect, that’s a little naive isn’t it? That completely discounts that across a life path things change, it is claiming that attraction remains static. I’m also finding it hard to believe that you do not recognise at all, I’m mean in its entirety, that personal characteristics don’t play a part at all? Edit: cause I confused words apologies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/22 12:26 AM
1	Promiscuity has little to do with looks in both men and women. From what I have seen attractive sexually successful young men who have the capacity to show restraint tend to resolve this issue of managing additional sexual interest prior to marriage. It’s an ongoing reality for them. Yep, like everything circumstances change that can impact on a marriage commitment but let’s face it, they are not unfamiliar with the attention. If anything, there is an argument that men with little experience with managing additional sexual interest, developing restraint and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/22 10:35 PM
–	Girl doesn’t believe in contributing to a household other than cooking cleaning , pitching business ideas and being “supportive” and man pays ALL the bills and expenses with the household and going out . Is this a fair exchange? Well, congrats on having a financial discussion as part of your relationship! A lot of people don’t and it’s very impactful down the line. It appears that she has been pretty clear on what she wants going forward, excluding how her income will contribute to the joint income which is interesting. It really doesn’t matter how I feel about all of this as I don’t have to work through it, what matters is how it fits with your values, goals and your concept of how you want your life to move forward. H…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/22 11:14 AM
2	At least for heterosexuals, western society is going to become more sexually conservative, not less Could it be more about social mobility and the concept of economic success? By that I mean that education tends to lead to more opportunity and economic stability, particularly in an economy that is increasingly demanding dual income. Having a child impacts on this directly, children cost a lot particularly if you are conceptually working towards your child also living a life which is inclusive of the advantages you yourself have gained. Good housing, good medical, good education, good experienc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/22 01:55 AM
2	Nevermind red flags, what's your biggest yellow flag? Kind of you to answer me. Thank you. As for why I was interested? It was because your answers were so different from my perspective and I was curious as it appears that your life experiences are very different from mine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/22 11:53 PM
1	Nevermind red flags, what's your biggest yellow flag? Oh, are you married and what is your cultural background if you don’t mind me asking? I find you answers interesting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/22 11:20 PM
4	At least for heterosexuals, western society is going to become more sexually conservative, not less Ahh your not a fan of personal responsibility I see. Another simple solution would be to see a doctor to work out what is really going on rather than making it someone else’s problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/22 09:51 PM
15	At least for heterosexuals, western society is going to become more sexually conservative, not less Yep, I really feel for the younger generation in regards to housing. It’s brutal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/22 11:19 AM
36	At least for heterosexuals, western society is going to become more sexually conservative, not less In some ways it’s also more socially isolated (if you exclude the online stuff), more individualistically focused rather than community or collectively focused, more expensive to have and grow a family and more globally opportunistic. All of this competes at least to some degree with the house, kids, white picket fence and placing energy into making and maintaining relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/22 11:09 AM
2	Many women fight for equality but only when it suits them That’s fine. You want what you want. But the original OP appeared to be making a larger social statement which I’m pretty wary of applying widely as per my comments.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/22 09:16 AM
1	Many women fight for equality but only when it suits them Look, even if I take that as a blanket fact, which I don’t but let’s pretend I do for a second. Let’s pretend that women absolutely only date within their class. These days economically a lot of people will need a two income situation if they are to have a comfortable progressive lifestyle with a comfortable retirement. This doesn’t seem to be changing anytime soon either. Even within a class group, there is a strong chance that she may earn more. Even if she doesn’t immediately, her husband may…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/22 09:05 AM
6	Many women fight for equality but only when it suits them Ok I checked it out and want to ask you a few questions: Why do you want this at this point in history. How does this benefit the next generation of men at all? Why now when women are entering higher education at an extraordinary rate and are doing particularly well in quite a few well paid industries and that trend only appears to be increasing. Why now when boys are lagging a bit behind in the current education system? I really am confused as hell on why in this point in history you choose now…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/22 11:11 PM
1	The real dilemma for men is erotic validation vs work based validation Pretty much, but this probably started way before those two little ones were sitting in shit. Strong, well structured families are a thing. Good chance granddad and grandma made some great decisions, married well, invested strongly in the well-being of the family and maintained good family values. Granddad and grandma may have monitored and constantly worked towards what they they thought would benefit the future generations of the family. Risks and sacrifice were probably made (such as immigrat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/22 10:19 PM
6	Men are projecting when they try and scare women by the "cat lady" and "die alone" trope I think perhaps you have hit on something but I doubt men in their 50 and up are aiming to have children at this age. Heck I personally wouldn’t! The expense alone would be terrifying, let alone the responsibility. However, I could be the societal vision that is attractive. The theoretical ideal - companionship, mutual care, the kids coming around with grandkids, potting around with someone you love. You know, the good stuff! I imagine when the ideal doesn’t happen for you personally there is wi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/22 10:30 PM
20	Men are projecting when they try and scare women by the "cat lady" and "die alone" trope I’ve met quite a few that have declined to marry again at 50, 60, 70 seemingly preferring to life without re-marrying. The women are mostly divorced or the husband has died. While I’m not overly sure, I tend to feel it’s because while a husband might traditionally retire from work and hopefully get a third stage of life, the running of a house with increasing carer responsibilities due to declining health just relentlessly continue unless you have the money to outsource or until you die/go into …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/22 12:26 PM
3	CMV Its ridiculous to have a body count requirement but not an education level requirement Perhaps you never had an opportunity to speak to your grand parents? A lot of women worked in factories, the wars were a thing. Personally one of my grandmother’s worked factory work both during and after. The Great Depression was also a thing. My other grandmother was raised on a dirt floor on a farm, she was good natured so having her life described as consisting of “light work” would have given her a bit of a laugh.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/22 11:37 PM
2	Has male cognitive dissonance towards women, completely taken over this sub? Indeed that could be helpful! But I feel in some comments that is directly avoided because plausible deniably is possibly attractive when the concepts being put forward under the flag of “reasonable” are truly abhorrent. Edit: wrong word	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/22 11:07 PM
3	Has male cognitive dissonance towards women, completely taken over this sub? I feel that’s a very generous take (not criticising, just in awe of your filtering) considering some of the framing that is put forward when this argument comes around. In fact some of the terminology and maliciousness that is put forward when discussing concept 1 tends to indicate that (some of) the individuals putting forward these concepts are not advocating for “better” treatment for all with relationships. Because of this I’m having a hard time believing this is the entirety of the argument…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/22 10:54 PM
2	Women don't feel love or want sex. These things are an insurance policy to them. Don't fall for the white knight mentality and get used by them, work on bettering yourself for you not for them. Thank you! I was a bit confused. Am I allowed to ask additional questions? If not please delete. I noted in your incel link that the guidelines do not include hate content, or derogatory/degrading such as content that is degrading to a wider group. Is that covered under another rule? Witch hunting is a great term, I generally think of the old Salem Witch Trials where the term could be applied more to targeting/inciting/ ganging up on a group of people. Edit: cause my brain blipped on “individual…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/22 02:11 AM
2	Women don't feel love or want sex. These things are an insurance policy to them. Don't fall for the white knight mentality and get used by them, work on bettering yourself for you not for them. I’m also a bit curious about this. Im happy to admit I’m not overly across specifically what “incel” content is, but I thought I was developing a pretty clear idea. I was so taken aback I finally got around to reading the rules, I’m a bit curious also about the “no witch hunting” rule. I wonder how far short this fall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/22 11:59 PM
7	Women don't feel love or want sex. These things are an insurance policy to them. Don't fall for the white knight mentality and get used by them, work on bettering yourself for you not for them. You might find this helpful? https://urology.ucsf.edu/sites/urology.ucsf.edu/files/uploaded-files/attachments/4_s_development_of_the_penis_and_clitoris_1-s2.0-s0301468118300938-main.pdf	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/22 10:59 PM
1	Prettier, dumb women will always triumph over an average to less attractive intelligent women. You can lol all you like, but this is the most fundamental challenge in this kind of reasoning and that is not even worth debating as it is a blind spot. Frankly the bottom line is it could cost me money. This kind of reasoning could lose me a valuable employee that could potentially have a unique idea, or could have the qualities that I need to best engage a vulnerable client base and therefore lose me a contract to a competitor. It could cost me an employee (or worse not even hire them) that h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/10/22 02:15 AM
2	Is being married to a person you do not love anymore really that bad? Yes, thanks for clarifying for me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/22 05:44 AM
2	Is being married to a person you do not love anymore really that bad? Yes, it’s worth it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/22 11:21 PM
1	Prettier, dumb women will always triumph over an average to less attractive intelligent women. While there is a strong chance you are a troll, this is an excellent opportunity to point out why this kind of thinking is simply incompatible with successful navigation of the world. A successful individual needs to be able to identify opportunity, information and ideas that are relevant to success no matter the “source”. It is one of the most critical skills of success. This kind of thinking make the individual unsuited to positions with any kind of authority simply because they are incapable …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/22 10:10 PM
0	There is no evidence to support that 80% of women are sleeping with 20% of men. There never was Smaller house parties seem to be big as well these days.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/10/22 10:33 PM
2	The average guy should not be frustrated at the selective nature of average Woman as he would act no differently if the tables where turned. “Historically speaking…….they only offer love, companionship and sex” When are we talking about historically speaking exactly? I find this very bizarre. Living conditions were really not that kind for the majority of the population. Day to day life was physically hard. For a lot of families, clothing was stitched from the skin up (by hand in some cases or sewing machine if lucky), blankets were often knitted or crochet. Food was sometimes grown at home if room was available or sourced locally by…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/22 10:06 PM
1	Older men (30+) who specifically want young, inexperienced women (18-23) under the pretense of them having "less baggage", actually just want women with the specific TYPE of baggage (daddy issues / parental trauma) that would make them easier targets for predatory men in the first place. Interesting. I wonder if the circumstances actually arose whether you would feel the same. While I have no idea of your age, I would guess I’m older than you and I have young adult children. I know I would very much try and intervene. I don’t find my position unusual, I’m pretty sure my friends who are my age would also be very concerned. I don’t believe this is a new thing either. I remember my grandfather talking about intervening (that’s putting it politely) when an “older gentleman” showed a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/22 10:12 PM
1	Women are just as shallow as men when it comes to what they find attractive Well, I must admit I found him oddly wealthy. The only info given in the original comment was “janitor”, it didn’t specify a “union position” or anything that would justify the 80k (hence I guessed our janitor may be a business owner). I did a quick check however to see where I miss-stepped as you suggested and still can not see any serious (as you specified) miss judgement and still don’t see where I am that out of line: https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/janitor/salary However, granted…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/22 10:14 PM
5	Women are just as shallow as men when it comes to what they find attractive Wow, those goal posts shifted at lightening speed. So now we don’t just have a hypothetical “bank guy” and a oddly wealthy janitor, we have a janitor with current and future values which I’m assuming in your mind can only be super positive. Look, as I said in my original post, I took the liberty of making a “heaps of assumptions” as the original comment was pretty basic. I’m not willing to play “build an imaginary janitor” with you. I believe my (pretty uncontested by most people) point stands, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/22 09:55 AM
4	Women are just as shallow as men when it comes to what they find attractive As you will. I can see the finer points I was trying to make didn’t interest you. You may decide it is shallow, I have no objection. I call it reality. Education and employment/income opportunities have held value for, heck I don’t even know how long…..	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/22 08:32 AM
4	Women are just as shallow as men when it comes to what they find attractive Meh, not really. I mean your comment is broad so I’m going to take the liberty of making heaps of assumptions. The career path for the guy working in the bank is probably much more established/expected depending on the job role he is performing. Training opportunities may be possible etc. His education is probably higher which probably influences his personal and professional skill level, world views, and interests. He may well be more relatable, have more common interests and shared experiences…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/22 07:55 AM
2	A lot of Men and a lot of Women aren't marriage or relationship material Thanks for that. I had a (admittedly quick) look and enjoyed Gottman’s work. It appears to be strongly based on Attachment theory (which is no real surprise) and he wrote quite extensively (and researched - longitudinal study) on childhood/family development. Gottman appears to focus on skills development to address issues and his assessment incorporates historical family experiences (again, no surprise). I didn’t look at Johnson other to determine she also incorporated Attachment theory in her …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/22 02:36 AM
4	"Personality" is too broad of a term -- looks AND "behavioral conduct" is important to female arousal. Discussing “character” seems to have fallen out of favour a bit. I honestly can’t remember the last time someone mentioned “a young man’s character”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/22 10:45 PM
3	Q4ALL straight men and women who are single. Why are you not dating your attractive single friend of the opposite sex? No son, that is what you said. And as I said “bullshit”. If you next sentence is “ show me where I said that” just scroll up I have already quoted you. Once again, cut that shit out, it adds nothing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/22 10:25 PM
3	Q4ALL straight men and women who are single. Why are you not dating your attractive single friend of the opposite sex? Your entire “average” world is full of highly paid men, who manage their wardrobe and “grind his arse off working out” at the gym regularly? You must have won the socioeconomic jackpot!	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/22 10:18 PM
2	Q4ALL straight men and women who are single. Why are you not dating your attractive single friend of the opposite sex? Once again “average man”. Honesty, cut it out. Go sit on a train and look around. Seriously.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/22 09:50 PM
4	Q4ALL straight men and women who are single. Why are you not dating your attractive single friend of the opposite sex? “It literally is? The average man has to grind his ass off working out regularly, manage his wardrobe and style, have a well paying job with high status” Ok, this level of bullshit adds absolutely nothing whatsoever to an argument. It is nothing but entertainment. It was unfortunate but I was in a public place when I read your comment, then looked around and the disconnect almost ripped a hole in reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/22 09:36 PM
1	A lot of Men and a lot of Women aren't marriage or relationship material Ahhh yes. That’s kind of what I was thinking of. I need to look at his comments on the “how they fight” and “blame the relationship” as if I am reading you right I differ a bit in view as I believe at lot of those skills are developed (or not) during childhood development along side the concepts of problem solving and reasoning. Those skills are then further honed (so to speak) within relationships. Thanks	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/22 01:42 AM
2	EVEN if you could FORCE monogamy and "redistribute" love and relationships, you can't force a woman to genuinely love you and you FEEL the difference Well I agree to a certain degree. I think it would fall back mainly to community like groups. A lot of people would die that is for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/22 01:30 AM
5	EVEN if you could FORCE monogamy and "redistribute" love and relationships, you can't force a woman to genuinely love you and you FEEL the difference Ahh Ok. Well in that case, if we reverted back to those days right now I think the majority of the the western world would be scrambling for a boys scout handbook and struggling to catch a rabbit in their own backyards (let alone skin and cook the damn thing).	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/22 12:14 AM
1	A lot of Men and a lot of Women aren't marriage or relationship material Oh thanks for the info, I will have a look. Did he really suggest that people do not bring significant pre developed skills (to differing degrees) into their first relationships? Building blocks so to speak? I kind of took that from your original comment. If so, I would be a bit stunned (conflict resolution skills for instance).	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/22 12:08 AM
2	A lot of Men and a lot of Women aren't marriage or relationship material I’m not sure I follow your train of thought. Would you mind expanding?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/22 10:35 PM
6	EVEN if you could FORCE monogamy and "redistribute" love and relationships, you can't force a woman to genuinely love you and you FEEL the difference What old days? Are we talking cave man here?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/22 09:15 PM
1	Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against? I know you mentioned putting logistics aside, however I still think they are worth considering otherwise the point is mute. I’m assuming that we are talking about each unplanned (and outside marriage) pregnancy when considering this. If so, I would like to kind of take a bit of a walk through in terms of time frames: • ⁠Every women would therefore need to inform each potential bio father so that he could provide the yes/no response to the possibility of a financial abortion (that alone is a bit …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/22 04:45 AM
3	What is the worst thing about being a man? Imo grey is fine, it often leaves room for complexity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/22 04:24 AM
10	What is the worst thing about being a man? “Gender roles can be a prison for men too” An often glossed over truth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/22 02:46 AM
2	"NOT ALL WOMEN"! is justified Some people find trolling amusing, I understand that though personally I could not really be bothered. However, on the small chance that this is truly your understanding, then you might want to consider that your life experiences (or the media you are consuming) have warped your view of the world. I just wanted to point that out as sometimes a bit of outside input is helpful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/22 10:20 PM
1	This sub just doesn’t believe in love Interesting, thanks for the link.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/22 11:44 AM
1	What's your unpopular opinion about women? Something you truly believe based on lived experience, but would get down voted to all hell Traditional gender roles bring their own problems in the modern world. In my opinion they bring much less opportunity and less security for the family. When a family is entirely reliant on one wage any normal life upset such as sickness, economic downturn or an accident is a major event. Education and retraining in the modern world is important in job progress (with technological advances moving swiftly today), if you are a primary wage earner you are disadvantaged if you can’t take advantage of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/22 11:01 PM
1	Most men and women experience the “hoe phase” at different points in life. Men are called immature and dogs when they finally get to experience it for themselves. I disagree, life experience is central to my argument. Once again this comes back to personal responsibility and good character.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/22 04:36 AM
1	Most men and women experience the “hoe phase” at different points in life. Men are called immature and dogs when they finally get to experience it for themselves. Ahhh, I was thinking of the 27,28,29 versus 18, 19, 20 to be honest. Does that clarify?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/22 04:23 AM
1	Most men and women experience the “hoe phase” at different points in life. Men are called immature and dogs when they finally get to experience it for themselves. Ahh we differ there! I certainly would criticise “older dudes” for poor behaviour. And I certainly consider a late “hoe phase” targeting young adults (both sexes) poor behaviour.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/22 04:09 AM
1	Most men and women experience the “hoe phase” at different points in life. Men are called immature and dogs when they finally get to experience it for themselves. Ahh I see. If I am reading you correctly you seem to believe there is a bit of a “free for all”. I differ a bit as I feel the social rules today are under change and continue to move towards equality of access which I do not find alarming and I feel it opens opportunity. It certainly does not, for me at least, negate the basic rules of mutual respect or accountability of individual responsibility. Some degree of over sight might be a slight understatement of my beliefs as well, I believe all you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/22 03:45 AM
1	Most men and women experience the “hoe phase” at different points in life. Men are called immature and dogs when they finally get to experience it for themselves. Ahhh then I can see the problem. I feel that both young men and women benefit from continuing social support to learn how to set boundaries and grow social awareness of healthy and safe behaviour (including consent). As for the OP’s discussion, are you suggesting that older people “late 20’s” who (as he puts it,) are entering a hoe phase are perhaps free from those obligations because they started late?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/22 02:18 AM
1	Most men and women experience the “hoe phase” at different points in life. Men are called immature and dogs when they finally get to experience it for themselves. I think we either have a considerable difference in our belief in social norms or perhaps values. I must admit that I was giving consideration to the “later 20’s” in the discussion though if that helps bridge the gap? Whereas you appear to be pointing your discussion to “young men (18-25)? This might be contributing to the disconnect.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/22 01:57 AM
1	Most men and women experience the “hoe phase” at different points in life. Men are called immature and dogs when they finally get to experience it for themselves. I find this curious as very few people I know would agree that society views that an 18 year old operates with “total responsibility and autonomy “. I think generally there is acceptance that young adults are still learning (for lack of a better word). Most parents I know are still providing intermittent support and taking a “watch and wait” approach to see how their young person responds to trickier life challenges and intervening when needed. Scaffolding support so to speak. There is certainly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/22 01:05 AM
5	Are Women aged 18-25 adults, that are capable of making decisions that will impact their lives? “Understanding the power dynamics at play” This is the key. The young ages you are talking about have just, if they are lucky, finally got their heads around the power dynamics in the parent / child relationship and moved into (again hopefully) independence. It’s a bit of a long shot to think all young people are suddenly also in a position to navigate the power dynamics in an adult sexual relationship with an almost 50 year old. Of course people are concerned.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/22 06:23 AM
3	Most men and women experience the “hoe phase” at different points in life. Men are called immature and dogs when they finally get to experience it for themselves. Perhaps what you are talking about is social norms? Your discussion is a bit complicated I feel by not placing it within the social structure of general young adult development and the larger social framework (the negative terms “hoe” are not helpful either). A lot of young adults go through a period of social, psychological and sexual development in their 20’s, and workplaces, families and educational environments are pretty much accepting and providing support through that period of time. It’s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/22 11:32 PM
1	What will happen to current dating situation in the future ? Working in Aged Care is not exactly a high profile job either. The industry itself has a reputation that doesn’t shine a light in terms of attracting staff whose skills offer them other options. Yes, I agree there will be a struggle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/22 12:55 AM
0	What will happen to current dating situation in the future ? That is a good question. I believe it is a reasonable concern. Immigration? Tech advances?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/22 12:38 AM
0	What will happen to current dating situation in the future ? Institutions I guess. Old Aged Care is currently booming and the West doesn’t really have a recent culture of looking after the elderly within the home. I believe this is driven by the economy however advances in the level of medical care offered in old age tends to lend itself towards 24 hour medical intervention in very advanced age. We are living longer, and that takes increased care. Sadly even older people that have kids don’t always get regular visitors. That tends to depend on a the socia…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/22 12:11 AM
1	Why do people expect men to 'just get it' when sociosexual development takes years in other primates? Fair enough. I’m trying to remember anyone who dated one single person and married however I accept that could happen. Can you accept that these particular individuals could have had some social experiences that they were drawing upon to facilitate their relationship? Perhaps family experiences or school social experiences?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/22 04:15 AM
2	Why do people expect men to 'just get it' when sociosexual development takes years in other primates? Finally, acceptance that building social skills is fundamentally important in dating. I have even read some discussion on how important it is for both men and women to be able to date a range of people and have a range of experiences (good and bad) as that very knowledge helps find a life partner. If only this base line would hold over to other threads.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/08/22 10:38 PM
2	Women prefer toxic men If you are asking this question you may benefit from a bit of reading on healthy relationships and creating and maintaining boundaries. There are plenty of resources online.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/22 04:42 AM
2	What do successful and educated men (lawyers, doctors, men in finance) look for in a partner Doctor and Lawyer? Yes I do, I do think they have manoeuvrability and options. I think their workplace is more likely to offer benefits. I think they can negotiate time off and parental leave much easier than someone who say is even running a successful part time business (who is more subject to losing business quickly if not servicing the needs of a client). Yes a demanding job is demanding. Factory work is demanding, exhausting and can drive people to tears. Assuming people have to work, and m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/22 02:31 AM
2	What do successful and educated men (lawyers, doctors, men in finance) look for in a partner You are arguing that education doesn’t provide more options in the modern world? Ok. From my personal experience alone of those professions that have gain more flexibility in working conditions from the pandemic (work from home) were IT professionals, Accountants, and admin professionals. I have no doubt at all that there are more. Of course more flexibility it is not guaranteed, but it is growing at an extraordinary rate and arguing that it is not is disingenuous. Sure having a successful small…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/22 01:17 AM
3	What do successful and educated men (lawyers, doctors, men in finance) look for in a partner Rubbish. Fry cooks are exhausted, have less work benefits and subjected to the whims of lower class work places. People with education have options and benefits for themselves and their children. Particularly now, an education can even get you a job that has a contract that will allow you to work from home at least part of the week. This allows educated men and women to drop their kids to school, work part time from a nice house in the countryside, hell you can even move closer to Grandma and ke…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/22 12:46 AM
15	Men's greatest desire is to feel desired and special, that's why AFBB even exists as a topic of discussion. Sure. You, a random person on the internet can choose who ever you like as a partner (within the legal framework of course). As can other people. More so than ever you live in a world of choice, that is the beauty of it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/22 11:47 PM
1	The other sex really is the opposition. Don’t fuss, if you are that determined to throw your genes into the poverty pool you will find a way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/22 11:00 PM
3	The other sex really is the opposition. Good lord, your idea of a successful life must truly be in the gutter. Aim higher, a better standard of living is possible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/22 09:48 AM
4	The other sex really is the opposition. I’m assuming you never entered into a marriage in the 1950’s either but you are happy to suggest society returns there. I think you are better placed in taking the time to study current models that adhere to your rules before you get to carried away.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/22 09:35 AM
2	Women's standards in men aren't getting any higher (except for the physical one) Indeed. This is often blatantly ignored on this sub, almost wilfully so. There is enormous value is having a well educated partner (socially, financially). One of the primary indicators of the educational achievement of children is the wealth and educational achievement of their parents.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/22 12:36 AM
1	Women's standards in men aren't getting any higher (except for the physical one) I don’t believe status is just primary about ego and image. Factors that make up status are significant in choosing a life partner. Education alone can be broken down to intelligence, resilience, adaptability for example. The factors, skill sets and personal characteristics, such as relationship and negotiation skills, of maintaining employment are considerable. The relationship skills of maintaining good family relationships (such as conflict resolution) are very important. There are of course …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/22 12:17 AM
3	Most men that aren't having sex are otherwise fairly normal dudes, not women hating misogynists like reddit and society would lead you to believe It might be a side note, but I think it’s an important one. I also believe that social media is the real issue. Anything can be amplified in social media, even things completely divorced from reality, and projected as truth. Add in the influence of marketing and political messaging and you have where you are today. As far as your generation, you never had an opportunity to know any different. But yes, I wouldn’t exactly call it healthy and it gives others an extraordinary vehicle to influence yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/22 12:03 AM
1	Freely available sex may be the issue of a lot of problems in society So access to education and good health care fixes most of your concerns? Not surprising really?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/22 04:36 AM
1	Redpill seems to be exploding in popularity You could be right, I am certainly not claiming a high level of strategy expertise in the matter. I do think logistics would play a huge part though and access to resources would be central. I think those with access would be much better placed than the general run of the mill person would be as lack of access to food, water and heat would be deadly very quickly (let alone violence which is assumed).	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/22 02:55 AM
17	Redpill seems to be exploding in popularity Probably. But I will suggest a little correction, “some men” will be in charge and it will almost certainly be the few that have all the benefits currently (or at the very least a strong association with them). The rest will suffer as they always have.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/22 07:11 AM
1	Is cheating and infidelity inevitable? Do you feel it’s helpful in other areas of your life to ruminate, perhaps even obsess over a past hurt or learning experience? To consume content that amplifies your fears, that encourages you to expand that fear to all other similar experiences? Can you think of other goals or life experiences you may not have been able to achieve if you had taken this approach? Be wise, learn from a hurtful experience and then move on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/22 12:01 AM
2	I feel like social media has fucked women's perceptions of the opposite sex, far more than porn has for men. Fashion is hugely influential. Look at the 90’s supermodels. Kate Moss was everywhere…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/22 11:02 PM
1	Do men want career focused women? Yes, I agree but it also makes sense. Marrying a well educated person is incredibly valuable to your future and the wealthy are very aware of this. Well educated people tend to come from well educated families Well educated people tend to have better social and financial connections Well educated people navigate and leverage opportunities more successfully Well educated people tend to have capacity to make a higher income across a lifetime Well educated people have flexibility to seek further op…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/22 01:54 AM
1	The Rise of The Single Lonely Male You misunderstand what I am saying I believe. I was merely pointing out that the achievements that were listed as “unimportant “ were the ones that a person would work hard to achieve and are a personal investment in who they are as people. Education doesn’t just mean college. The ones that the poster mentioned as important to him was what the person could provide for him. He made it quite clear in another post that women were largely interchangeable to him (though I do think he is “trolling” an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 07:37 AM
7	The Rise of The Single Lonely Male This is curious. I like this comment as it is so telling of what some other men feel is important. The unimportant things (to you) are all about what this other human being has achieved to invest into themselves. Education, salary, hobbies, intellect are hugely self satisfying pursuits and goals to achieve, they create character, personal growth, provide security and life opportunity. They are pleasurable and open the door for further pleasurable experiences. Yet it is “unimportant” to “men” tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/22 11:52 PM
5	Worried about foodie calls and pump-and-dumps are overblown Nonsense. This doesn’t even pass the general life test. There is plenty of people that I have had to interact with that were in no way as unpleasant over text or phone then they were face to face. Have you never had a job working in general public facing roles? Some people are very very unpleasant, particularly when they perceive that they are not getting what they want and that’s just in relation to work. Add in the complexity of dating expectations and I imagine things get unpleasantly excitin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 11:45 PM
3	What’s the solution? :) it wouldn’t be very dictatorship like if you allowed all your folk to pack their bags and leave for a feminist utopia! Would be really fun idea though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/22 11:27 AM
4	If sex is so unimportant, why is monogamy so important? Relationships are just a construct of agreed upon elements. They therefore differ depending on the individuals involved (as they made the construct). You will get a variety of answers to your question. You are also assuming monogamy is about sex, whereas it’s often (think construct again) broader than that. If a couple enters a monogamous relationship one might rightly assume that they are asking for a commitment towards the other for a range of things (financial, emotional etc). Look at marriag…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/22 10:39 PM
5	The argument of "just lower your standards" to undesirable men is misguided since they have no option that is being filtered out by their standards Ahhh yes, the good old days! I’m sure all the whispers you have heard are the gospel truth. Such a golden time where hardships were few and dreams rained down a plenty for all. God damn, I just can’t keep the bullshit up, you will have to carry on without me. You were doing a fine job on your own anyway!	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/22 01:12 PM
2	The argument of "just lower your standards" to undesirable men is misguided since they have no option that is being filtered out by their standards Hmmm, are you sure? I guess everyone can argue “better” until the end of time for a subject like dating as you are trying to sum up against people in outrageously diverse circumstances. There is no doubt some long dead guy who had lived his entire (very short) adult life in a male dominated mining town who would laugh at your modern day complaint on the challenges on finding a date. I’m sure he would also be very interested in your definition of “fair” and how it applied to his life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/22 08:21 AM
6	The argument of "just lower your standards" to undesirable men is misguided since they have no option that is being filtered out by their standards Not everyone found a match you know even prior to this modern dating world. Bachelors and spinsters were a thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/22 05:49 AM
2	What's your unpopular opinion about women? Something you truly believe based on lived experience, but would get down voted to all hell on Reddit? Good thing everyone has choices then isn’t it?	/r/seduction	05/08/22 10:36 PM
3	Sugar/Transactional Dating is eventually going to become normalized Doubt it. You are forgetting how money flows through families (inheritance). There was a range of reasons why mistresses were not embraced historically, and one major factor was inheritance of assets. Let me put it more plainly. Son, you bring a sugar baby home who had to be paid to sit at my table and my lawyer will be protecting my assets from your poor decisions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/08/22 01:00 AM
1	Single motherhood creates violent criminal men which leads to more single motherhood which leads to more violent criminal men. This downward spiral is going to cause violent men to dominate the sexual marketplace creating a much more dystopian future. You didn’t read OP’s argument or comments at all did you? I’m not against shooting from the hip at all, but trying to keep it in context is the least you can do in terms of being somewhat polite.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/22 01:49 AM
1	Study: female sexlessness is also rising: Hmmm, this may be where we differ in opinion. It might just be a case of scale. Your comment on radicalisation was for me quite out of left field, it is a complex issue that I think is not just solved by “exposure to real life women”. Anyway, enough said by me on that topic… In regards to socialisation and skill building, it is interesting to think about particularly with the influences of online stuff added into the mix. While I do feel that there is so much variety for opportunity for social c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/22 03:18 AM
5	Study: female sexlessness is also rising: I agree with a lot of what you are saying. It makes a lot is sense if you consider the amount of time and energy that people in general use between 20 and 30 to build a career (or establish a living). Meeting someone and progressing a relationship is time consuming for both, but it also has some additional “quirks“ for women that are detrimental to other life goals during those years (pregnancy and child rearing). My observations of young people seem to reinforce the idea that they still like to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/22 11:45 PM
0	Single motherhood creates violent criminal men which leads to more single motherhood which leads to more violent criminal men. This downward spiral is going to cause violent men to dominate the sexual marketplace creating a much more dystopian future. Have you considered sterilising all young men that commit a violent crime? Perhaps upon first violent crime? Vastly reduce the chance of them impregnating some young girl if you can get them early enough. It would not matter one dot who they have sex with after that. Pretty easy cheap fix to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/22 10:54 PM
10	Are men really worthless? I think all of this is a product of rapid social change it will settle in due course. The vast majority are doing ok and don’t consider men useless as such. From what I can tell most of the uproar and points of conflict are not even new and neither are the behaviours. What is newish is that these behaviours are now commonly seen in both sexes. For instance, in the “good old days” is was not uncommon to see a young man attend university, establish a career and then consider settling down around l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/22 03:18 AM
3	Even if personality matters more then looks, that doesn’t make things better I agree, although a lot is blamed on poor personality that should be ascribed to poor character. Some people have a high tolerance for “quirky” personality traits, very few can tolerate poor character traits and nor should they.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/22 10:26 PM
1	Women ‘initiate’ 70% of divorces because women do most of the households admin tasks I wasn’t talking necessarily about wealthy people. I guess generally I was trying to say that women are not necessarily better off staying married if they find themselves in a financially vulnerable position. Sometimes divorce provides a way to gain control of some of the assets that they have been otherwise blocked from.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/22 07:20 AM
2	Women ‘initiate’ 70% of divorces because women do most of the households admin tasks Perhaps, however a legal agreement for insemination however would probably be as complicated as a marriage agreement. It would no doubt carry terms around cost of health care, standard of living support including education, inheritance obligations and custody agreements. The contract would also be inclusive of the complexity around the care of a disabled child or childhood injury. I guess the lawyers would find it very lucrative. Such an agreement would also obligate both parties to have joint c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/22 06:39 AM
11	Women ‘initiate’ 70% of divorces because women do most of the households admin tasks “A woman is going to be financially better off staying married” You might be on to something here which is worth unpacking. This logically looks true unless of course she does not actually have access or control of any of the income. For women on some kind of home “allowance” from the primary wage earner it would be far better to divorce as they would gain access in real terms to around half of the assets. In fact, I believe that women on allowances have much less incentive to work on their marr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/22 02:24 AM
1	Women outnumbering Men in college. Pretty sure on a global scale I read of the actions of radicalised men in very conservative countries. It’s almost like the ultra conservative way of life is very …. restrictive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/22 02:58 AM
2	If the bar for men is low, the bar for women is even lower. Hell yes I have. I have also witnessed the parents having a fit behind closed doors when their capable sons choose to date unemployed women who do not have the basics of independent living down. Most parents are pretty damned relieved (and hoping desperately that she doesn’t get pregnant) when the relationship dies off. Who the hell are you hanging out with OP?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/22 01:21 AM
3	Do you think in the next couple of decades MAINSTREAM discourse will be "don't encourage average/below average men to expect or seek sex, love and relationships"? Ahh yes. I agree! I actually think (though I may be downvoted to oblivion) it may not be such a bad thing once the balance has finally settled. The advances in technology has opened so many options for everyone and the ability to continue to access them across a lifespan grows when you are not nailed down to a single role (such as being the only wage earner). Having a partner who is financially viable allows you to change professions or re-enter education to upgrade your skills for example. Ther…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/22 01:14 PM
3	Do you think in the next couple of decades MAINSTREAM discourse will be "don't encourage average/below average men to expect or seek sex, love and relationships"? I’m genuinely curious on why you think the pay gap between men and women will continue to grow? In my observations it is closing at such a rapid rate (over say the last 30 years). I have also seen a few quite traditionally gendered jobs become much less so particularly in areas like medicine, law, and accounting and so on. I though it might stop with the more physical trades until a female carpenter rolled up to the house not so long ago (first I had ever met). I agree that a driver is the cost …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/22 12:25 PM
1	Do you think in the next couple of decades MAINSTREAM discourse will be "don't encourage average/below average men to expect or seek sex, love and relationships"? Yes, I’m much older as well and while I would not say I have seen gender roles completely broken down and re-mesh as such, I agree that there has been breathtakingly rapid change. It appears to me that the trajectory has been pretty consistent though as have the forces driving it. I believe those primary forces were and continue to be those that impacted on financial stability and social mobility. I predict that future generations will be more flexible in their family structure to meet the cost …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/22 01:11 AM
2	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread You mean the artificial womb? That’s a fun concept! https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jun/27/parents-can-look-foetus-real-time-artificial-wombs-future	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/22 08:31 AM
6	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread You are trying to introduce quiet reason into the chaotic roar. People simply do not remember the utter devastation of unwanted pregnancy for both men and women. Add in the harsher realities of today’s economic and political climate, the lack of cheap housing or access to “good” blue collar jobs, the lack of social mobility for those that will not be able to access education and it will hit home fast enough. It appears the lesson needs to be relearnt.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/22 07:02 AM
1	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread What a strange comment. You may not have benefited directly from a many medical, social or educational processes but that does not make them valueless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/22 04:31 AM
1	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread Only if you are willing to buy into that stupid rhetoric. An option just got taken off the table that provided a critical option to avoid unwanted pregnancy. Unwanted pregnancy historically has has devastating consequences. This is going to bite hard, perhaps people have forgotten how hard?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/22 09:08 AM
2	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread Indeed, I’m a bit concerned people are not grasping the complexity of the matter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/22 08:06 AM
–	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread Well it would be more true to say that the more control that everyone has over pregnancy the better off everyone is?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/22 07:46 AM
1	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread Perhaps. In this political climate I think it is all a bit of wishful thinking however that these issues are going to use the fall of abortion to leverage anything. I would be much more comfortable if I thought that there was a more comprehensive argument that had a foundation in a costs/benefit analysis. As unattractive as it is to discuss there is no denying that men are going to get smashed in the courts, financially and in loss of lifestyle/ life choices with the fall of abortion. I don’t se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/22 07:15 AM
1	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread Possibly, though that is in no way guaranteed. My point is though that doesn’t matter as it will take years to even get abortion back up to the plate at a federal level let alone with an attachment of a paper abortion. Politically, legally, socially, it will take years. The very vehicle you needed (abortion) was just struck down….	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/22 06:00 AM
–	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread Ahh I see. While you may personally be willing to throw that back on the table as a bargaining chip now, the crawl back politically at a federal level will take years. As I said, this is dead.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/22 04:28 AM
2	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread That’s a decent enough question. One of the reasons I guess is because those arguments have already historically been put forward frequently and strongly. Sex education, access to healthcare and contraception, you know those old familiar arguments that constant cause an ideological fight. It has been pretty successful to as far as I can see. If you are interested this is pretty interesting: https://givingcompass.org/article/the-demographic-breakdown-of-women-who-are-getting-abortions	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/22 04:19 AM
–	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread Could you round that out a bit? I’m not sure I follow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/22 04:12 AM
2	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread Or, here is a thought! Abortion option could have been left on the table!	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/22 03:54 AM
–	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread There is many many men’s lives that benefitted from abortion. Just because the final decision did not rest with them does not wipe out the incredible benefit they experienced from not having the life changes that comes from an unwanted pregnancy. That has now been removed and pretending the loss will not be keenly felt is bizarre…. I’m just not sure where this thinking comes from? Is it new? Just because you do not have complete control over something does not mean it does not benefit you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/22 03:34 AM
–	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread This was an interesting thought process that is now dead. It was always an uphill battle with tricky issues to overcome such as where the money would come from and the use of taxes, but now I can not see a single way forward. I mean your primary argument is sitting with a premise of body autonomy….	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/22 03:06 AM
1	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread This was an interesting thought process that is now dead. It was always an uphill battle with tricky issues to overcome such as where the money would come from and the use of taxes, but now I can not see a single way forward. I mean your primary argument is sitting with a premise of body autonomy….	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/22 03:05 AM
1	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread Doesn’t seem to. If you are so inclined, scroll to the Abortion restrictions graph (it’s the last graph), it’s kind of fascinating. https://givingcompass.org/article/the-demographic-breakdown-of-women-who-are-getting-abortions	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/22 04:35 AM
2	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread Orphanages….	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/22 03:29 AM
2	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread The logistics are fascinating now. I think it will come down to pure practically. Technically safe early abortion medication is pretty available and transportable, making it illegal is only going to change the pathways to access. Investigating all loss of life (such as miscarriage) in early pregnancy would be nearly impossible and vastly expensive. Even if the assumption starts with the premise that the woman had secured and taken the now illegal medication, proving it would be difficult on the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/22 02:57 AM
4	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread The suicide rate on teenage boys will surge as well. The life path of both young people has now changed remarkably when a 16 year old boy gets that girl in his English class pregnant. The get out of gaol free card has just been revoked unless you can hash a plan out quick smart with family help. There is no old fashioned “I didn’t do it” option left with DNA testing. With the cost of raising a child there is a strong chance the girl’s family is going to go after every red cent, and the boy will …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/22 01:44 AM
9	Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread Oh, thanks for putting your thoughts down! Here is a few of mine: There is no doubt that you will also see a rise in children with disabilities because there is now no medical response available after a scan which diagnoses. there will be an increase in children born without prenatal care for a range of reasons, but cost will be a big one. maternal deaths will obviously increase I agree single parents will increase. I’m actually thinking that there is a strong chance that there will not be a sig…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/22 12:37 AM
1	Why are women so much pickier when it comes to men than men are when it comes to women? Ahh I see. I tend to place more weight on the socioeconomic, historical and legal factors when I consider these types of things. I’m think I’m also a bit more disillusioned by the government welfare system than you!	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/22 11:53 PM
2	Why are women so much pickier when it comes to men than men are when it comes to women? Good faith is fine by me. I think “trolling” is what you are referring to yes? I agree the risks around pregnancy have vastly reduced, it is the degree that I feel we are disagreeing with (neutralises, eliminated or shifted). I guess I feel the physical cost of pregnancy and childbirth is undisputed? It’s so well recorded that I feel you are being a bit obtuse? The financial costs are also well recorded (immediate income / career progression and financial planning)? In fact the points you have r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/22 11:38 PM
3	Why are women so much pickier when it comes to men than men are when it comes to women? Interesting. Do you actually believe your comment or are you being obtuse?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/22 11:11 PM
1	Is it true a "high status" job is required to get a girl to notice you? Well yes, ideally you will actually like your SO across a huge range of factors including finding them attractive! Thats pretty obvious. However humans also seem to have a rather bizarre range in what they consider attractive. Seriously, I have been rather surprised over the years……	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/22 07:51 AM
2	Is it true a "high status" job is required to get a girl to notice you? Not my experience nor my observation. Educated men tend to gravitate to educated women when it comes to marriage. I tend to think it’s because of the shared social circles / work place / common interests which increases the chance that they will meet and connect. Perhaps throw in a dash of shared values (including family values/lifestyle) and goals as well and you have less challenges to overcome on a personal level. If nothing else and completely disregarding all of the above, educated people t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/22 05:54 AM
3	Women would rather be pumped and dumped by a hot guy than have a fulfilling relationship with an average guy I think both you and the poster above you are right in your own way. The key you are both missing imo is the socioeconomic factor and how that is playing out. There is an incredibly fine line to walk in todays dating world if you are after a quality partner. Pursuing higher education and then building a career is time consuming and requires focus. Those that are hoping to build a relationship during that period of time will have to have made room for that and have a high level of emotional intel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/22 02:28 AM
2	With male virginity rates near 30% in the USA for the 18-30 age range what impact will this have on society Imo I doubt it is a real option no matter how badly they want the clock turned back, if only because it would be economically devastating. In a global economy having half your population not contributing to the economic growth of the country is detrimental. This is recognised in even the most conservative of environments such as Saudi Arabia. The following two articles are interesting if you are interested: https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/364529 https://www.brookings.edu/blog/f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/22 04:19 AM
3	With male virginity rates near 30% in the USA for the 18-30 age range what impact will this have on society Yes, exactly. Those traditional families also had strong ties to the community.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/22 03:03 AM
11	There is a degree of objectivity to all things aesthetic. The idea that “women decide what is attractive” is nonsense, women generally have terrible taste in men. I see WAY more women gush over guys like Mac Miller, Pete Davidson and Post Malone than the Brad Pitts and Ryan Goslings of the world. “Today we have scrawny, androgynous dweeby hipsters with disheveled appearance ruling the sexual marketplace” While all these arguments are fascinating for a range of reasons, I’m starting to think that there would be real benefit if a rule was introduced that each post needs to be submitted with a photo of a busy general public environment where the OP could point to some general occurrence or evidence that supports their arguments. I mean, I was on a busy street today and I didn’t see a single…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/22 04:43 AM
1	Do you agree with the right to have financial abortions ? I see. I’m a bit worried that generally it could get very messy under the proposed model though. I’m assuming that we are talking about each unplanned (and outside marriage) pregnancy being considered under this new proposed law? Every women would therefore need to inform each bio father so that he could provide the yes/no response. If the bio father was not informed (for whatever reason) the law would need to default. The default would then become either a financial abortion - this would result…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/22 04:30 AM
–	Do you agree with the right to have financial abortions ? I see. I’m pretty sure that ship has sailed to be honest. I really can not see the DNA genie being put back in the bottle, in fact I can only see it expanding, particularly when it comes down to health or legal issues. Simply everything is heading in that direction these days.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/22 09:58 AM
–	Do you agree with the right to have financial abortions ? That’s a huge decision to make on a short time line for the biological father (a matter of weeks). Keep in mind a financial abortion will leave you with absolutely no rights whatsoever. The bio mother could realistically leave the country, drop American citizenship and disappear without a trace. Or she could die and the child enter foster care and you would never be informed. You would be making that decision in weeks fuelled by financial incentive and no recourse. There is room for much regret,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/22 09:43 AM
–	Do you agree with the right to have financial abortions ? Interesting. But then can the child use it to prove fatherhood? After all, the child owns their own DNA? The child could therefore apply for financial support as part of their rights? What about access to medical records? DNA testing has opened a box that is not easily closed I agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/22 08:12 AM
1	Do women you’re not attracted to you mean anything to you at all? Do you look up to or admire any women? Yet. Women don’t generally like STEM fields …yet. It’s truly remarkable how quickly things have moved in such a short time. Take women in the medical field for instance. It’s kind of amusing to think of all the doctors / surgeons who would have sat around the old boys clubs in the past and nodded wisely to each other about how women’s basic nature excluded them from entering medicine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 04:25 AM
3	Are most modern women's standards for men too high? Why or why not? I do believe there is truth in this. Antidotally I believe that today’s younger men were for the most part raised in a household with their mother still doing the majority of creating a home whether she was working either full time or part time in the “you can have it all” era. This next generation of young women, having learnt the lesson the hard way from their mothers, are not wanting to “do it all” any more. As you wisely pointed out, women now want to be provided what society has previously …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/22 11:37 PM
1	Why is a woman's attraction to a man so unstable? Your last paragraph is an interesting comment that I do not see brought up very often. I think this gets missed often in all the noise. There has been a massive shift in societal rules across a very short period of time. Older women still alive today lived under one set of social rules and have watched (as well as support) their grand-daughters to live under another. In other words, generationally there appears to be a strong narrative to support the message for young women to enter education, d…	/r/seduction	08/06/22 02:40 AM
1	In your opinion, what is the difference between a One Night Stand, Friends With Benefits (or F-Buddy), and a Relationship? Yeah, I’m also probably old enough to be your father. You are dead on. Relationships are complicated as a default, add sex and it further muddies the water. No use pretending that a FWB relationship cant get emotionally complicated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/22 03:56 AM
1	Abortion Mega-Thread Well, hard to say. I mean, even under a lot more “strict” social rules (for both men and women) abortion was a thing, just not legal nor safe. Arguably, society has changed so remarkably since this was a thing that the effects of this could bounce into unknown territory. Having children has become increasingly unattractive for both sexes for a whole bunch of reasons, the financial cost alone gave many “responsible” couples pause. Also a big driver for finding a “responsible” partner in the first…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/22 12:10 AM