Left-Ad3578 Archive

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2	Madonna/Whore: the male dual mating strategy, and how women can protect themselves from male resentment If you don’t mind me asking… what your postgraduate degree is in. Not at all. I’m a psychiatrist …why the blue pill flair? …any truth to TRP? Okay, to answer one requires answering both, so here we go. TRP: I actually think there’s a lot of truth in some of the conclusions it reaches - when it’s talking about very specific, fixed variables eg. having more money, in general, will make you more attractive to more people (superficially) Height does make you more attractive (to a point) and the stru…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 02:26 PM
1	Female narcissism is misdiagnosed Yes, they are difficult to treat.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 12:35 AM
6	Female narcissism is misdiagnosed Exactly - BPD patients exist on a spectrum from “minor instability” to “I threw myself in front of a train to stop my bf from breaking up with me”	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 09:33 AM
4	at which point misandry starts? I’m unsure where to begin. I have literally made none of the claims you are attributing to me. I have not stated it’s anti male/female to discuss reasons for rejection, I have not assumed they can adjust their desire (in fact I have argued in PPD that people have no control over their desire) and while I accept people can feel this way about their expectations, I have also not made this claim. How can I respond? It’s like you’ve replied to a different post? I simply haven’t made those claims, an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 06:48 AM
4	Madonna/Whore: the male dual mating strategy, and how women can protect themselves from male resentment It tries to draw on (pop) evo-psych to substantiate/rationalize its claims, but the actual scientific research here is absent. The claims TRP makes as definitive, actually have no robust research behind them. Strong evo-psych results are rare; and they are more specific and nuanced (I can provide examples if you like) than anything that could be generalized to [all behavior of a gender] of Homo sapiens. Freud was injected by OP in this post. Yes, I have not seen Freud (or any psychodynamics) inv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 05:17 AM
1	I dont care what anyone says. The red pill is saving lives I grew up without my father. And spent 12 years with an abusive stepdad. I would let the women I was dating walk all over me You have no self-esteem, and at your core, you feel unloveable. You’re absolutely not unloveable, but you feel this way, and TRP will not fix this. While I am glad TRP has enabled you to change some of your behaviors to increase your success with dating, you are exactly the case study as to why TRP is successful, and as to why it will not lead to long term happiness (check…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 04:31 AM
5	at which point misandry starts? The comment from u/GridReXX is actually good here, and you should think about it u/Dry-Ad3452 She’s not attacking you, but it is difficult to separate critique of one’s worldview from personal critique, and I completely understand why you feel attacked, but you need to think about why you have this feeling (very important) I completely understand your point, and yes, I agree that men who feel really hurt by romantic rejection and complain actually do face unnecessary and harsher blowback than wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/25 02:56 AM
2	Madonna/Whore: the male dual mating strategy, and how women can protect themselves from male resentment TRP is about explaining male and female sexual nature, as I have pulled everything from red pill sources. Sure, but this doesn’t make it correct. I am aware that “Madonna/whore” is a Freud thing, I have detailed the premise specifically for red pill men to read (as many of them are strangely unaware or outright deny what the red pill says about male nature). But Freud is emphatically not saying this about male behaviour; he is explaining a very specific developmental misstep that occurs to some …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 04:17 PM
2	at which point misandry starts? Fair enough.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 03:34 PM
2	at which point misandry starts? Reddit definitely attracts certain niche types.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 03:07 PM
9	at which point misandry starts? No this is too well-adjusted and reasonable for PPD.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 03:06 PM
3	at which point misandry starts? Okay, so you think the posts are misandry, but not concerning because they don't advocate for action to directly harm men? I would agree with you, only differing on the point that misandry/misogyny is by itself concerning. Just not as concerning as... more forceful behaviour.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 03:04 PM
12	at which point misandry starts? In fairness, you have contradicted yourself here: It’s misandry/misogyny to hate someone not for their actions but based on their gender. And then: The above titles only talk about their personal feelings. But from the first post above: Help, I don't want to hate men, but I find myself starting to (1.2k upvotes) (all emphasis is mine) You switch from, "misandry/misogyny is hatred" to "misandry/misogyny is desire to punish/hurt" - I'm not making a value judgement here, but which one is it? You li…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 02:45 PM
3	Madonna/Whore: the male dual mating strategy, and how women can protect themselves from male resentment I do disagree with her conclusions - but those are just that: conclusions. The overwhelming majority of my post is discussing the premises those conclusions are based on, and I absolutely disagree with those. When you say, "standing premises" (emphasis mine) these are the conclusions, not the premises. I don't mean to be needlessly pedantic, but my entire post is basically: history of cited psychological complex, why it's not a mating strategy, disagree with concluding remarks. To clarify: it's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 02:30 PM
15	Madonna/Whore: the male dual mating strategy, and how women can protect themselves from male resentment TRP is definitively not an evo-psych theory; it tries to draw (poorly substantiated) just-so theories in an attempt to “explain” female behavior, and in doing so actually completely fails to explain… female behavior. While I appreciate the effort put in to this post, I have to admit I find it a little strange owing to my background. Attempting to load “male mating strategy” (no such thing exists) on to the Madonna whore complex is… something. Is OP aware that Freud was not articulating a male re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 12:04 PM
1	Question about old men who think they have a chance with young women I think that we simply have a disagreement on what “falling in love” actually is. I disagree that you can “help” who you fall in love with, but I do agree that we make choices in terms of who we devote our time, attention and resources to. As for “love is work” - yes, but this is relationship maintenance, and not what I meant by “falling in love” Think limerance. No one can predict this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/25 01:39 PM
–	Please explain more about "I want women to be honest about their preferences" This is a really good comment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/25 01:44 AM
0	Question about old men who think they have a chance with young women most men are ugly losers You don’t think this is maybe a little harsh?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/25 01:35 AM
5	Question about old men who think they have a chance with young women In the often sea-of-despair that is PPD, this topic has elicited an avalanche of particularly depressing responses. Does no one believe in love anymore? Does no one understand you can’t really help who you fall in love with? Be with the person you’re passionate about, and vice-versa. Life is a long-game; if you marry for looks/height/money, but you don’t actually love the person, of course it’s not going to work. Edit to add: u\DebateTraining2 is correct, and I’m glad someone else said it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/25 01:30 AM
1	Question about old men who think they have a chance with young women …give a flying fuck if they’re “genuinely” attracted to me? As long as my dick is genuinely in their vagina, I’m good. I laughed really hard at this, thanks for writing it. I disagree with virtually all your ideas, but you’re very funny and I’m glad you’re here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/25 01:26 AM
1	The manosphere does not care about men's issues: Trump screws over men No, I’m definitely calm. And the defense mechanism you’re referring to here is projective identification, not projection. Non-psychiatrists get this wrong all the time. An intentionally reductive generalization - the addition is in the generalizing to a larger set of individuals than you originally circumscribed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 09:23 AM
1	The manosphere does not care about men's issues: Trump screws over men Dude chill, I wasn’t dismissing it: read my original post again. My statement is reductive in that it generalizes your observation. That’s it, that’s what I’m contributing here. It’s “intentionally dismissive” inasmuch as I have nothing to say on the manosphere’s views: I don’t hang in those circles, I’m not a US citizen, and I just have nothing I want to say about it. My idea is relevant because it’s connected to your post; it doesn’t have to be a direct response to your question. I’m also unsu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 02:31 AM
–	The manosphere does not care about men's issues: Trump screws over men Not a meaningless deflection at all. I tried to contribute to the debate with an idea that I hadn’t seen advanced yet. You’re welcome to ignore it, however my contribution is still written right there in my initial post. I very clearly stated that I was not remarking on the specific political issue; I honestly find US politics rather tepid in how extreme its polarity is. A cursory read through the comments here confirms: yes, very polarized, and yes, I’m not prepared to wade in to those waters. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 02:05 AM
–	The manosphere does not care about men's issues: Trump screws over men Feminists are not “dedicated” to attacking men. I said extremes, chief. There are indeed a subset of people who sail under the banner of feminism but espouse misandry. They don’t speak for the majority, nor do they have a legitimate academic footing - you need to read what I actually wrote. Apropos of that, there are men’s rights groups that actually just raise awareness of men’s issues: mental health, legal issues related to divorce and child custody, and so on. Thankfully the majority of peopl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 05:59 PM
–	The manosphere does not care about men's issues: Trump screws over men Yes - thank you for saying this. I will only add that what I can see from the exit data indicates most Trump voters cast their ballot due to economic frustrations (inflation coupled with wage growth) I am not saying this was not misguided or myopic, or that the democrats are not wearing the identity politics mantle; simply that the “owning the libs” phenomenon is more an online meme (for people like us) than a force that moved the needle much with ordinary (normie) voters.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 03:46 PM
–	The manosphere does not care about men's issues: Trump screws over men While I agree that the edge of the manosphere is overtly misogynistic, this is really just horseshoe theory: the extremes of both the pro-masculinity and pro-femininity movements are dedicated to attacking the other gender. As a kind of immutable characteristic, there will always be members of each tribe who can only define themselves in their hatred of the other side. And so it doesn’t really matter; misogyny and misandry will always exist to some extent in a free society. TRP and down to the l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 03:38 PM
2	Men's perception of high standards and women's perception of high standards are different. Completely false.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/25 12:54 AM
–	This subreddit gives less attractive men the halo effect and underestimate the importance of personality. You have will, and nothing is more important than your will. You do choose your behaviors, and something, somewhere inside of you will emerge into happiness under the right conditions. If you’re really miserable? If you’re dying of starvation and you can’t leave the bed? If you’re actively suicidal? Then you/your loved ones bring you to someone like me, I do some sorcery/pharmacology/ECT and then you start to feel better. Then we have weekly chats and I teach you new behaviors. It’s that easy, a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 11:53 AM
–	This subreddit gives less attractive men the halo effect and underestimate the importance of personality. This will blow your mind: different people find different things attractive. I know man. Point being: one girl may find a particular guy cute, while Lilith may think “unattractive” - So, while “not being attractive” is an exclusionary criteria for dating (sure, I agree with you here) it’s a subjective criteria held by the perceiver - not by the perceived. There will be some relatively broad sociocultural consensus over what is considered attractive, and superficially some people really do fare b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 11:42 AM
–	This subreddit gives less attractive men the halo effect and underestimate the importance of personality. Yes! A wild positive-Lilith has appeared! And yes, you are correct here. Typically people riff off the stereotypes in their head, and how this imaginary other threatens them or makes them insecure. “Chad” as a stereotype must tautologically be an asshole, because Chad is a male stereotype. Men conceive of the irresistible-but-asshole guy because he represents the duality of their frustrations at their own impotence (“why can’t I get laid?”) but also (importantly) their rage: he hurts women. “See…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 11:23 AM
0	Men's perception of high standards and women's perception of high standards are different. many women fail at it And many women don’t. This entirely depends on the person, and as it pertains to both genders, there’s no difference here. shitting on people that women choose Because women are a monolithic mass, and they all have the same criteria, and they all choose badly? No. Again, men and women are equally guilty of making bad choices wrt partner choice, and many choose just fine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/25 12:59 AM
9	Men's perception of high standards and women's perception of high standards are different. True. “Saves the real love for the child” is a trope for a reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/25 09:41 AM
15	Men's perception of high standards and women's perception of high standards are different. Exactly. I would be intensely curious what kind of relationship most TRP men had with their moms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/25 09:40 AM
8	Men's perception of high standards and women's perception of high standards are different. for women it’s usually superficial thing Everyone has superficial attributes they’re attracted to. It doesn’t mean the attraction lasts as they get to know the person better. if a girl doesn’t respect Everyone should have a partner that respects them. “Standards” aren’t some universal set of attributes that generalise to everyone; different people are attracted to different things. “Women’s standards” here exists only as a construct in your mind for you to criticise women specifically; “raise yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/25 09:38 AM
5	Men's perception of high standards and women's perception of high standards are different. 💯	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/25 09:31 AM
17	Men's perception of high standards and women's perception of high standards are different. MAGICALLY loves him like a mother Congratulations - you have pinpointed the Freudian origins of this love.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/25 09:30 AM
2	DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵 Haha, I know exactly where this is coming from. This sub has so much potential to engage in constructive debate about what are genuinely very concerning and pressing social issues. I had such hopes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/25 03:19 AM
2	You can't complain about being lonely while failing to form/maintain social bonds. Bedtime for me now (Australia) - I could write a longer response in the morning, but it would really only be adding nuance and quibbling over minor details. I think we actually pretty much agree on the broad contours and major issues. I do hear what you’re saying re. the video games; you’re correct to say that a major error here is to confuse correlation with causation (and to your credit, you go further and recognise these as coping mechanisms vs eg. heroin) Thank you for taking the time to wri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 05:07 PM
1	You can't complain about being lonely while failing to form/maintain social bonds. This may well be true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 03:35 PM
2	You can't complain about being lonely while failing to form/maintain social bonds. You raise some good points, I will try to address them. clinically depressed This is a bait and switch; we are no longer discussing loneliness, but clinical depression. Anyone that met the criteria for clinical depression - for arguments sake, MDD diagnosed via the DSM-V - would require medical treatment. Yes, we have an ethical obligation as a society to help medically ill patients. However, if we move from MDD to the more ambiguous “loneliness” - then we automatically induce a murkier analysis…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 03:28 PM
2	You can't complain about being lonely while failing to form/maintain social bonds. I assure you I am not looking for “someone to shit on” - my point is (and remains) both sides of this argument are in fact correct. The error isn’t in concluding these stereotypes don’t exist, the error is in failing to understand that they coexist. I really must insist that I am not “anti-men” Again, men’s issues and mental health are very important to me. My blue pill status arises from my view that TRP is misogynistic; it is not good, for men. It is unambiguously bad. My time spent on PPD is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 04:07 AM
-2	You can't complain about being lonely while failing to form/maintain social bonds. I mean, that comment was never intended to “help” (inasmuch as a reddit comment could wield social power) As far as claim #2 is concerned, it would require the individual to examine how their behaviour has lead to their current circumstances, and then learn new behaviours. As a social and cultural issue, I take male loneliness and mental health extremely seriously; I completely agree that claim #1 “exists” (is an ontological category) and there are several factors leading in to this. I do not di…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 03:11 AM
4	You can't complain about being lonely while failing to form/maintain social bonds. Could it possibly be that this issue and complex, and all the positions stated can concurrently be true? Some guys are lonely and it’s not for lack of effort. Some guys are lonely and it’s entirely self-inflicted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 02:26 AM
2	I have a weakly held view that many red-pillers underestimate the success of the average man because they overuse dating apps, and there are tractable ways of improving their luck. My heuristic: has she looked at you and smiled? Then approach. You may miss a lot of false negatives, but you’ll never get a false positive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 12:38 PM
3	Using sex to get a (good) man or keep a man hardly ever works. Why do guys pretend not fucking immediately means no sex at all? Because in their worldview, female desire exists only as a binary. And if you’re not immediately having sex, then it must mean the guy is undesirable/beta/[whatever] Worse, they’re always the ones not getting laid immediately. Which means they’re some inferior specimen of human being. My professional judgement: they should base their self-esteem less on sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/25 02:44 PM
2	Using sex to get a (good) man or keep a man hardly ever works. You do realise that when you describe “man who is a player” you’re just describing an idea that’s lodged in your head? An idea cobbled together from bad evo-psych and confirmation bias?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/25 02:39 PM
4	Using sex to get a (good) man or keep a man hardly ever works. Some women may use sex as a way of trying to build intimacy or cultivate interest. See also: men who spend a lot of money trying to impress a woman. Neither of these work in the long run, because they’re not what true intimacy is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/25 02:35 PM
4	Using sex to get a (good) man or keep a man hardly ever works. This is the second thread on PPD I’ve dipped into tonight, and we’re 2 for 2 on sensible takes. PPD is just so… reasonable and well behaved tonight?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/25 02:31 PM
–	Women dismiss men's relationship stress, yet believe similar complaints from lesbian/bi women. “Don’t take your partner seriously” is a hot take.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/25 02:27 PM
–	Women dismiss men's relationship stress, yet believe similar complaints from lesbian/bi women. This comment is under-appreciated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/25 02:23 PM
–	Women dismiss men's relationship stress, yet believe similar complaints from lesbian/bi women. What are some examples - tangible ones - of these hatred of women that you claim us men here spout? Hey bro, welcome to PPD. I see you must be new here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/25 02:13 PM
–	Women dismiss men's relationship stress, yet believe similar complaints from lesbian/bi women. Horseshoe theory, but applied to gender relations instead of politics: the worst actors of misogyny and misandry I have ever seen have been in this sub. When I joined PPD, I was looking for thoughtful debate. Ah, sweet summer child.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/25 02:10 PM
–	Women dismiss men's relationship stress, yet believe similar complaints from lesbian/bi women. I want to add an upvote for your last paragraph. It’s true, and an oft overlooked aspect of feminist theory. Though once you start claiming that both genders are oppressed by the patriarchy, and that some women even benefit from it, you need to take the next logical step: “patriarchy” is now a placeholder word for power. “Men and women without power are oppressed by those who have it” - sounds exactly right.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/25 02:05 PM
6	Women don’t like being friends with guys who don’t want them This is the most real comment I’ve read on PPD. It is wild to me that “can men and women just chill and be friends?” is even a topic up for debate. For amusement, I wonder what some of these people are like IRL. Future patients?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 12:29 AM
3	The Red Pill is Making Men Weaker, Not Stronger I just wanted to say OP: 👏 👏 👏 for your post. And one further thought: when people become old enough, they start to feel the weight of the system, and the system will try to break them. All it cares about is pushing your behaviour in a specific direction. It’s no accident that everything in TRP involves a credit card.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 12:44 PM
2	The Man You You Want vs The Men You Are Attracted To I think even through that level of pedantry the meaning can be reasonably inferred.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 05:10 PM
1	The Man You You Want vs The Men You Are Attracted To Sure, but that’s not what she said. She “stable sense of self” And if that’s your position: “she’s lying” then just be upfront and say it. Sense of self is a pretty well validated construct, and in no way is it conflated with charisma as far as psychology is concerned. Maybe she is lying, or she’s not using the words correctly, or [something else] but that’s a separate argument. You need to duke that one out with her. I just tried to explain to you what that phrase means.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 06:19 PM
2	The Man You You Want vs The Men You Are Attracted To Your goals might change, but something that underlies those - a value system - (even unconsciously held) will glue it all together. Again, the important thing is you: “my goal was to buy a house, but then my neighbour Bob died and life is short so now I want a Ferrari” is a change in (material) goals that’s totally consistent with a stable sense of self. It’s a natural psychic response to an external event. You’ve even put the connecting threads together yourself. Imagine instead you’re a Lakers…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 04:30 PM
2	The Man You You Want vs The Men You Are Attracted To Not at all. And no one is asking you to describe “my human experience” - they’re asking you to describe you. We never (I never) ask this question directly. Through talking to the patient you start to get a sense of how they view themselves, and what you may be looking for in certain conditions is, does this self-image fluctuate over time? (ie is it stable?) It’s not something you may have asked yourself (nor is there any implication here you should have - most people never do) But barring some s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 02:24 PM
5	The Man You You Want vs The Men You Are Attracted To Psychologically, having a sense of self refers to the collection of ideas one holds about “who they are” - beliefs, attitudes, physicality, morals, values, skills, abilities, relationships etc. If you want to see (horrifyingly) how poorly defined a sense of self some people have, ask a borderline patient to answer on a piece of paper “who am I?”	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 11:53 AM
1	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. Keep thinking, you’re almost there!	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 05:52 PM
1	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. You’re going to need to think a little harder on where the irony is coming from.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 05:27 PM
7	Unless you do a paternity test you can only ever be about 90% sure that you actually fathered a child This comment is my salvation in a post that only makes me want to drink.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 05:19 PM
1	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. There is an almost cosmic irony to this comment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 05:12 PM
1	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. Life is great because I don’t associate with bad people (except, occasionally, certain patients of mine)	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 05:09 PM
1	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. A lot of people believe the flat earth theory. Belief has little to do with veracity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 04:37 PM
1	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. Except I’m not worse for it. My life is great.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 04:35 PM
1	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. Cool. Except the stories/experiences are different. Certainly the women I know aren’t “like that” Maybe it’s because I’m not automatically trying to “produce the highest likelihood of success” but just talk to them. If you don’t know someone, how would you even know if you wanted to be with them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 06:38 PM
0	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. Although you and I have clashed on other threads, I think you are spot on here. TRP men are very obsessed with appearance, and seem to have no idea that personality and behaviour account for a lot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 04:54 AM
2	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. No, this is exactly what’s wrong with TRP. You should approach people as individuals, and seek to understand them on their own terms. If you find yourself surrounded by women who are “all like this” then the common denominator is you, and you have a problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 02:47 AM
1	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. I’m not sure what to say here other than your comment just seems to be misandry. I hate TRP because of how dehumanising it is to women; it seeks to explain “all women” (in the worst possible terms) - as if you could take anecdotal examples of individual women making bad choices and generalise to all women and use it as a pretext to view them all as garbage. Likewise, a statement like “men say so” is vapid. Have you spoken to every single man on the planet and they all say exactly the same thing?…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 02:42 AM
1	Why is it that if a man fell in love with his female friend, then it is believed that he just “wanted to get into her pants”? I will take your word for it	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 02:19 AM
1	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. This is not “men’s” idea of love. It is not a prerequisite. Stop generalising like this, it’s sloppy and inaccurate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 06:40 PM
1	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. you’re generally better off with someone with more moxie than wanting that I am glad that you said this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 06:12 PM
2	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. Some women, sure. Not all women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 06:07 PM
6	Why is it that if a man fell in love with his female friend, then it is believed that he just “wanted to get into her pants”? Yes exactly! Perfectly said!	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 06:06 PM
1	The Provider Man Model No Longer Works in Modern Western Relationships. It's a scam. This comment belies a very transactional worldview. Did no one ever do anything for love? Does no one currently do anything for love? NB: they did and do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 06:04 PM
1	Why is it that if a man fell in love with his female friend, then it is believed that he just “wanted to get into her pants”? Yes, good comment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 05:28 PM
0	Why is it that if a man fell in love with his female friend, then it is believed that he just “wanted to get into her pants”? While I am usually a fan of you Gravel_Roads, I do think the others here are in the right.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 05:28 PM
3	Why is it that if a man fell in love with his female friend, then it is believed that he just “wanted to get into her pants”? NB: observe that what you two are having is a disagreement over the (ostensible) definition of “attraction” - strangely, you are both correct. one of my aunts is hot, and I’d do it with my aunt I feel like I’m going to use this in a case study.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 05:24 PM
1	Why is it that if a man fell in love with his female friend, then it is believed that he just “wanted to get into her pants”? This is a great reply, and spot on with the sex issue. If it wasn’t emotional, if he just wants to have sex with her, then absolutely he’d be fine continuing to be friends. Why did I not think of this? 🤔	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 05:19 PM
5	Why is it that if a man fell in love with his female friend, then it is believed that he just “wanted to get into her pants”? No, it absolutely does happen. She may have just got out of a relationship, be worried about or focusing on her career or studies, be looking after an unwell family member etc. I’ve never seen this observation on this sub (or Reddit?) but it’s a kind of implicit assumption of TRP that people (men or women) are always “switched on” to enter a relationship. And people just don’t work like this. Yeah, they may be relatively okay with it most of the time, but there are definitely periods people go t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 05:16 PM
2	Why is it that if a man fell in love with his female friend, then it is believed that he just “wanted to get into her pants”? I’ve also seen that situation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 05:10 PM
2	Why is it that if a man fell in love with his female friend, then it is believed that he just “wanted to get into her pants”? I will only add that friendship to lovers need not be difficult; feelings do change, life is long, attraction is complex. Granted, given the assumptions about the worldview of the hypothetical people in your argument (TRP/manosphere), this conclusion makes sense. And this should illustrate to people why this way of thinking is so warped. Feelings can change and develop between two people: propinquity is a thing. It doesn’t mean anyone was some kind of runner up prize (which is a terrible way to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 05:09 PM
1	Why is it that if a man fell in love with his female friend, then it is believed that he just “wanted to get into her pants”? The majority of men here are probably teens. Really? I thought most people on this sub seemed much older. A lot of the TRP guys I’ve debated have definitely been much older. This is salient because it becomes more important to articulate why exactly TRP is an inaccurate worldview.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 04:56 PM
13	Why is it that if a man fell in love with his female friend, then it is believed that he just “wanted to get into her pants”? While your initial comment is thoughtful and articulate, I will chime in here to say that just because a guy burns the bridge doesn’t mean he didn’t value the relationship; sometimes rejection is very difficult, some people are more sensitive than others, he may have come to have very strong feelings and so on. Heartbreak can be a difficult thing to deal with; if he’s burning the bridge, but doing so in a respectful and peaceful manner (not insulting, abusing etc. ) then I think it is reasonable…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 03:15 PM
1	Telling women that they are the gatekeepers of sex and relationships reinforces women’s need to have high standards. To continue our chat from the other topic - different people just like and are attracted to different things. “Standards” as a linear ranking system: people don’t work this way. You are not a number. This applies to everyone. NB: I do have female friends that talk about standards as in; personal hygiene etc. in which case yes: have a shower and brush your teeth. sigh I think I may need to write that post tomorrow night.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:09 PM
2	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise That’s probably a good idea, actually. I’m being deeply facetious tonight because I’m not in a great mood. Look in honesty: I don’t blame the young guys (or really any guys) for latching onto a dehumanising value system; any culture that celebrates individualism at the expense of the essential lesson that you are part of something much, much greater than yourself - much greater than any one person could ever be - no matter how much that person is lauded in the pages of history, is going to creat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:47 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise Firstly: shout out to a mathematician! I majored in math, but I was nowhere near good enough at it to make a career from it; hence, psychiatry. Secondly: this is just the general form of many arguments I’ve seen on PPD recently. Some men think “all women” are [something]. Some women think “all men” are [something]. Then you watch the yelling start and all detail and nuance are lost; no one can consider something from someone else’s perspective, can understand that individuals make choices based …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:27 PM
5	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise This is a great metaphor because PPD has this obsession with “standards” like we are all placed in a line, and literally everything about your worth as a human being is reduced to one number. “Top 2% of men” is not a thing that exists. Literally does not exist except in sclerotic minds. It’s in your imagination. What is the difference between a 98th and a 99th percentile guy? Let me guess: money, height, etc. Fun fact: Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are not that tall! Are they greater than, less than……	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:06 PM
7	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise Man (usually TRP): “this is how all women are! And it makes me angry because I feel rejected and denies me love which I desperately crave” Woman: “no, this is how all men are! And it makes me angry because I feel insecure about myself” God, the downvotes this will cost me would be worth it if I could convince at least one person that generalising is not the rhetorical tour de force they think it is. Hey, here’s a generalisation of how the culture works on people: men are constantly reminded of h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 12:53 PM
0	It’s not unreasonable to ask your partner to stop watching porn Thank you for an articulate response! I agree with you that there is no false equivalency regarding these issues as ethical concerns; there is a false equivalency in that the unconscious drives that push one to consuming porn vs other behaviours does not mean they are equivalent inasmuch as they reduce to asking your partner “y/n” Yes: I do agree with you completely regarding communication. I have a bias here towards psychoanalysis, many of the ideas are not my own, and as always ymmv. Discussio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 04:56 PM
0	Would you support men having the right to “abdicate” a pregnancy? attending vocational training or other education Background check for what? Attending training and education for? Who decides this? This is an even more elaborate, and expensive way of providing assistance. I do agree we should aim to get people into the workforce. I don’t get women pregnant We are all grateful. why should my taxes incentivise… Your taxes are in fact not incentivising this behaviour; they act as a social safety net to prevent even more deleterious outcomes. See also: Rousseau an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 04:32 PM
1	It’s not unreasonable to ask your partner to stop watching porn What marriage “is” on a superficial level (what it physically resembles) is drawn from the culture. Look, I can’t really speak to your grandfathers experience; it does not, at first glance, resemble a culture that is terribly fair to women. Maybe I’m wrong and the women are all totally cool with this, but once you cook in a certain culture for long enough, deprogramming those notions is going to be difficult. So. Western-centric it may be, I offered you a prescription for a happy marriage ie thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 03:59 PM
-1	It’s not unreasonable to ask your partner to stop watching porn I’m a bit late to the party here, but let me offer my psychoanalytic take (that’s what I’m here for!) bonus: this one isn’t my idea, I claim no originality. What do you get out of porn? Wrong question. What does porn get you out of? Intimacy. There are false equivalencies I see on this thread to monogamy, this is wrong. If there is something you desire, talk to your partner. You must reflexively adapt to them physically and mentally, as they must to you[1]. The mistake married couples make is to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 03:05 PM
4	What's wrong with taking care of your kid? While various proposals for financial abortion have been advocated for on PPD (from both sides) - and some of these I can even get behind, there are some men who are simply ill-equipped psychologically to be fathers. It is a shame, because many men would make perfectly great dads - if they tried. As for other commenters writing that “women don’t selected for men who would make good fathers” - this is in some ways accurate and in others false; there are many women who try to pick men who would be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 04:41 AM
8	Would you support men having the right to “abdicate” a pregnancy? I am somewhat flabbergasted at the “should be working” remark. While I try to cross both lines and to argue what I think is rational, most of the disagreements I see on PPD can be summarised as: anger backed by anecdote forms terribly reductive worldview. Cue yelling and name calling. NB: this applies to red pillers and blue pillers who use the label to hide behind thinly veiled misogyny/misandry. This is a rare exception. The guy above isn’t arguing based on a reductive logic, he just literally…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 03:53 PM
4	Would you support men having the right to “abdicate” a pregnancy? How is she supposed to work while taking care of an infant? While I agree that there should be incentives for people to join the workforce, anyone who has ever tried to care for an infant knows that for at least several years it is simply infeasible to work and care for a child by oneself. Simultaneously, corporations simply do not offer enough maternity leave for the woman to take… several years off work. And if this was required by law, how hesitant do you think corporations would ever be to h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 03:44 PM
2	Would you support men having the right to “abdicate” a pregnancy? I could see myself being onboard with some variation of this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 03:30 PM
9	Many in the manosphere believe women should not have the right to ever leave a relationship While it is absolutely an example of whataboutism, it does have relevance in that segments of both men and women can hold vile views. I did respond elsewhere in this post about the specific psychology of men who murder their partners for leaving them. It is evil, but I do think it is worth highlighting that both men and women can be evil. The common denominator is not gender, and we should not seek to demonise someone because of their gender. The evil is in the act, and it is that we should be c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 12:28 PM
9	Many in the manosphere believe women should not have the right to ever leave a relationship Yes exactly - I have tried to state in detail what should happen, but the sentiment of “men and women working together” should be plastered on the front of PPD. I often worry that PPD gives rise to the most stringent ideologues on both sides of the debate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 12:05 PM
2	Many in the manosphere believe women should not have the right to ever leave a relationship I did agree with those facts. The reality is still that everyone is overwhelmingly safer than at any point in history. Fact. As for the “hate all men” comment, it was not directed at you per se, but more to fit in with the general vibe of what seem to be the most dehumanising comments here. I dislike writing short posts where I can’t convey all the ideas I want to, so I pick one thread in particular and respond to that in full. I also dislike citing problems without offering any proposed solutio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 12:00 PM
-1	Many in the manosphere believe women should not have the right to ever leave a relationship This is slightly histrionic. While these statements are indeed true, they are a fraction of the overall population; actual murder rates keep trending down almost everywhere (exceptions being third world countries, and war zones counting as “murder” depending on your politics) It is generally much safer to be a woman (or man) anywhere than fifty years ago. I agree with OP that the comments are utterly deranged; I have long argued against TRP on the basis it is dehumanising and misogynistic. I wil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 11:02 AM
1	More men than women have a penchant for “understanding objects,” more women than men have a penchant for “connecting the dots.” I do think that this is right, especially as it pertains to “incomplete” There isn’t an claim in the prompt that really touches on the critical issue of: 1) this is what “thought” is, and 2) these are gendered differences in said processes. While I appreciate the attempt, there are too many hand-wavey thrusts at thinking that aren’t well defined, and then an attempt to apply these phrases to situations that are complex and draw on too many different processes in the brain. Any attempt to highlig…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 01:00 AM
1	More men than women have a penchant for “understanding objects,” more women than men have a penchant for “connecting the dots.” Sorry I don’t know what you mean by “exacting parameters I’ve been told” - this and “unwillingness or inability to deduce” My point here is what hasn’t been studied. I’m also not sure what you mean by “the logic is linear” - linear in what sense? What would non-linear logic look like? It is structured as a kind of short form essay, in that the essay follows a structure. But this doesn’t imply anything in terms of “linearity of thinking” when my point is that this phrase is too nebulous as it per…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 12:54 AM
4	More men than women have a penchant for “understanding objects,” more women than men have a penchant for “connecting the dots.” While we are known to be a cognitively dimorphic species (postmortem analysis of brain tissue, MRI imaging) I would respectfully say that your examples move from highly ambiguous concepts of “cognition” eg. being holistic thinkers, analysing dynamics etc. to very specific academic fields (comparative lit) where we don’t have any data on who is “better” (if a linear ranking is even appropriate here) Where we do have rigorous definitions and measurable data (courtesy psychometrics) we see only two…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 02:48 PM
2	I'm starting to think that finding a relationship is dependent only on your luck Not at all. I frequently find myself clashing with blue pilled women on this sub. My only point is that what you are attracted to is independent of how you yourself are, this does not automatically imply hypocrisy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 04:06 AM
8	Q4M: Ever cry because a friend confessed her love to you? I did read what you wrote, and you are correct in saying there are not two sides to manipulation. The two sides is a result of the fact that in the case of a male having romantic feelings for a female friend, this does not automatically imply manipulation. TRP men who call women monsters for not reciprocating feelings are not representative of all men, and obviously everyone’s circumstances and behaviour differs. You describe an accurate archetype of immature and narcissistic men, I am pointing …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 04:04 AM
3	This subreddit seems to think women must choose between horny sociopaths and asexual men. Men who adopt TRP are typically driven by anger; even if they became hyper-desirable, the anger would not subside. This is bad because while this serves as a defence against being hurt (TRP is ultimately a defence mechanism) they have alienated themselves from love and intimacy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 03:53 AM
1	This subreddit seems to think women must choose between horny sociopaths and asexual men. This is “legal equality” only in a narrow… legalistic sense. This may anger some, but I do actually support the right of guys to “opt out of fatherhood” as a decision made before birth. On the other hand, it also needs to be recognised that the decision to terminate a pregnancy typically weighs very heavily on the woman; it is emotional and usually accompanied by some grief.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 03:48 AM
8	This subreddit seems to think women must choose between horny sociopaths and asexual men. Asking to legalise prostitution so that men can have sex “with real women who want them” is an oxymoron and I hope you can see that. While I do think prostitution should be legal, most women who engage in sex work are not happy, and the sex work itself can be quite damaging. If you want to understand female desire, look at popular art (movies/television) that depict ideal female types at a younger age (Gen Z/teenagers) and written by women. What you typically see is more akin to the “Chad” arche…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 03:42 AM
2	This subreddit seems to think women must choose between horny sociopaths and asexual men. “Men are quite capable of desiring sex AND caring for women they love without being incentivized by sex. Men are capable of seeing sex as mutual fun and mutual bonding, not as a way to feel validated just to discard (or ‘merely tolerate’) the women who validate them. “ This needs to be posted and reiterated all over PPD.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 03:32 AM
-4	Q4M: Ever cry because a friend confessed her love to you? This is very clearly untrue if you think about it for five seconds. Hypergamy* is not a thing, it’s not a psychological drive, and healthy people do not treat relationships as power struggles. I will concede “hypergamy” only in terms of modern dating dynamics and the (very broad) tendency of women to marry higher earning men. Again, this is a trend, many exceptions apply etc. but importantly, there is no biological or fundamental psychological drive to do this. Different women do this for differ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 03:30 AM
11	Q4M: Ever cry because a friend confessed her love to you? Feeling flattered is kind of a natural reaction, and not narcissistic at all!	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 03:22 AM
1	I'm starting to think that finding a relationship is dependent only on your luck I suppose that’s true in a way, and I think this sense of connection leading to attraction is more female specific? I was shooting more for “having a crush” than lust 😅	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 03:18 AM
0	Q4M: Ever cry because a friend confessed her love to you? I have had this happen several times as a man, and more that I suspect liked me but never said anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 03:16 AM
1	I'm starting to think that finding a relationship is dependent only on your luck Oh! Well if you have a husband then all is good! I am very happy for you. I was only trying to use your example that often we can’t help attraction; that often modern dating is alienating to a lot of people because they suppress organic desire in favour of “rational” properties. And we should let the heart lead more than the brain. I do understand that often rational checkboxing is a result of maturity and understanding ourselves well enough to know what will help make a good long term relations…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 03:14 AM
0	Q4M: Ever cry because a friend confessed her love to you? There are two sides to this. What you describe is an accurate stereotype of many men (and women) but it is possible to have feelings for, and be attracted to, someone who does not reciprocate but wishes to be friends. The problem is that most people are not mature enough understand what to do in this state; you must respect your friends boundaries and commit to being friends. If this is painful at some point, you need to communicate and take a step back. Sidling/orbiting does happen, but it is a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 03:09 AM
2	I'm starting to think that finding a relationship is dependent only on your luck This is a good post, and the advice of “learn your own desires, needs, and flaws” is valuable. Attraction, love, desire are all automatic. Standards are rational, falling in love is not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 03:00 AM
2	I'm starting to think that finding a relationship is dependent only on your luck She is perfectly allowed to be attracted to skinny guys despite whatever her own physique may be. I would argue that indeed attraction is automatic, and not based on our (physical) attributes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 02:56 AM
2	I'm starting to think that finding a relationship is dependent only on your luck While I think your standards are fine, and in many cases practical, are you open to the possibility of falling in love with someone who doesn’t meet these standards? I suggest this because sometimes we are quick to rationalise away connection given someone who does not “tick our boxes” yet often we fall in love with people we would not expect. Put another way: if I asked you to close your eyes and think of the perfect date, or someone you could spend your life with, what comes to mind? Use what …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 02:53 AM
7	I'm starting to think that finding a relationship is dependent only on your luck People may well understand (or not) that life isn’t fair, but I do not think this is the cause of a male loneliness epidemic. Usually there is a breakdown of the family milieu, early negative life experiences, and the subsequent loss of self-esteem that leads to a search for love and external validation. These young men become highly sensitive to rejection, and are unable to reframe things in a positive way; to see the good in their life, and to take action to change what they can control for th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 02:46 AM
8	I'm starting to think that finding a relationship is dependent only on your luck I do second this. The question is: given your circumstances, what are you going to do to improve your odds of success? Always focus on what you can control.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/25 02:36 AM
2	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women The debate topic highlights “problem with modern men” and I do think it is worth delineating the differences in personality architecture. It is absolutely not true that men “in general” seek female approval for the approval of other men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 04:13 PM
3	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women No, it is the former. The tendency here is to conflate two different unconscious belief systems; gaining male approval is expressed in the culture through superficial means (material possessions) or personality (male socialisation) - but will always lead to the sensation of alienation in the absence of female approval; gaining female approval is equivalent to “being loved” - and love has become unconsciously coupled to “masculinity” Your proposition represents a very real personality structure (…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 04:10 PM
2	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women You keep insulting her age because you think that she must view her own self-worth that way; is it conceivable to you that she does not? It is frustrating that what was a very good debate prompt has become mired in personal attacks (on both sides) Edit: fixed typo to change “it” to “not”	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 03:05 PM
1	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women It is the (subconscious) belief that “my value as a man is determined by what women think of me” Generally: “I am desired (I desire to be an object of desire)” You see this belief expressed in women who are constantly posting selfies on ig (if you want a gendered example for women) It is narcissism, all the way down. And narcissism is prevalent and psychologically equivalent in both men and women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 03:00 PM
0	The main problem with many modern men is their need for approval from women While I spend the majority of my time on this sub defending women (implicitly; my goal is to critique TRP ideology from a psychological perspective) and there is a… lot to unpack here, I would argue that most of these talking points are less relevant to the culture in general, and and more specific to the social milieu an individual woman spends time in. Certainly there are hypotheses here which I see as difficult to accurately falsify (women getting spoken over - anecdotally everyone will have …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 02:37 PM
1	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics Sure, you’re physically attracted to them. But where does all the anger come from? Again: where is the evidence that men biologically have an innate predisposition towards virgins? And where are these cultures that “flourished”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 12:42 AM
1	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics I don’t demonise men who want younger women; my goal is to try and help you understand why you want younger woman. I hope you see from your comment that you driven by anger; you should reflect on why you are angry. Besides Islam, those cultures no longer exist. And one need need only look at Muslim cultures to see that they are woefully behind western cultures in economic and technological development. They are also brutally oppressive to men. There is a reason other cultures evolved or died out…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 12:31 AM
1	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics Cultures have had a preference for virgins for marriage. The idea being that “not a virgin” = “bad for having kids/how do you know they’re yours” Men have no biological preference for virgins. NB: cultures that view virgins as more desirable… also had those virgins “used(?)” as teenagers. Your …supporting evidence(?) that “some cultures did this” has an utterly vile implicit endorsement of pedophilia. You need to stop looking at screens; they are not for you, they have destroyed your brain, stop…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 03:29 PM
1	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. There are also no such things as “alpha” and “beta” males. Many years ago, before heavy drinking and med school, yours truly worked at a drug company doing neuroscience research. And the common refrain from the data scientists on the topic of IQ was: do you really think the entirety of human mentation can be collapsed into a single causal variable? TRP needs to give up on this idea that women view men according to some kind of internal linear hierarchy, assign them a number, and off they go. Whi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 07:47 AM
4	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. Personality is not looks. Being attractive can in the short term make you seem “more interesting” to talk to, but the halo effect does not last and it is not a substitute for the actual words coming out of your mouth and how they come out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 07:37 AM
1	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics Taken is not an indication. Stop watching movies. Read old books.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 07:33 AM
2	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics So your position is that men have a sexual preference for virgins?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 12:29 AM
1	Feminists are the biggest propagators of "toxic masculinity" Similar idea, but in computer science it has been the reverse: there was money to be made in IT, but the property/assets are owned by men. Women entering computer science (STEM DEI initiatives) is the indication that power is leaving the field. I can’t speak for psychology, but it is an overwhelmingly female dominated field.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 12:27 AM
2	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics I never claimed to be a feminist. Why is feminism incompatible with sex work? If you want “fresh meat” then why is there an issue sleeping with a prostitute?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 11:28 PM
1	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. It literally says underestimated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 11:26 PM
2	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. “For earning potential, men’s stated preferences underestimated—and women’s stated preferences overestimated—revealed preferences.” If there was ever a refutation of “women just want money”	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 11:15 PM
5	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. Why would this make you angry? Have you not dated and slept around? The woman you wind up with will also be your X choice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 11:12 PM
8	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. It is intellectualisation as defence mechanism; it is pure misogyny.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 11:10 PM
6	RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that. Red pill is absolutely an ideology; how could you think otherwise?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 11:07 PM
2	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics Then go to a prostitute.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 10:51 PM
5	A large portion of women are hypocrites when it comes to their dating preferences So men with money make you insecure?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 04:01 PM
1	A large portion of women are hypocrites when it comes to their dating preferences It’s also a nice way of saying “complex motivations”	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 04:00 PM
9	A large portion of women are hypocrites when it comes to their dating preferences That women are human beings and may have complex motivations is anathema to TRP. If you can understand it, you could control it, and control is the antithesis of anxiety. The question for TRP men is: why do women cause you so much anxiety? What do you need from them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 02:22 PM
24	The APA's guidelines on men and boys that were published in 2019 encourages therapists to violate the modern interpretation of the Oath of Hippocrates and suggests that American men are largely justified in distrusting therapy/mental healthcare as they don't have their best interest at heart I will try and keep this short to get this post out quickly. I will also note that as much as I dislike supporting TRP ideas, there are many valid points here worth unpacking. The reason that so much of psychology is plagued by replication crisis is because so much of what is studied is not directly psychological per se, but cultural. The idea of “traditional masculinity” is itself thrusting towards cultural stereotype. An attack on a cultural stereotype is… always going to be wrong, in that (in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 01:52 PM
5	Feminists are the biggest propagators of "toxic masculinity" It’s about a black gay kid. Growing up, the difficulties he faces, how he becomes an adult, and finally, love. It was very touching. As a straight white guy (and not even American) it exposed a lot of what I never even considered before. In the way that all good art is good, it focuses on the specifics of his life to touch on more shared, universal human values and experiences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 06:04 AM
1	Men are not more honest when they lie to themselves. The greatest deceptions of both men and women are self-deception; we do not understand ourselves, we do not understand our desire, we do not understand how we desire. I would be almost out of work otherwise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 05:03 AM
1	Feminists are the biggest propagators of "toxic masculinity" This is a great comment, I will make one further observation. This is a Western-centric take. While it is assumed that we live in a patriarchal society, we reasonably no longer do so to such an extent in legal terms; we have absolutely moved from this (unequal rights for women), but currently, legally men and women are on quite equal footing. Indeed, while women’s suffrage has brought about great change to fight for women’s legal rights in education, healthcare, voting, and employment, there are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 04:48 AM
3	Feminists are the biggest propagators of "toxic masculinity" I feel like “Moonlight” was a very moving and sensitive film on this topic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 04:23 AM
3	Feminists are the biggest propagators of "toxic masculinity" In the same way that I dislike TRP for often being very closely coupled to a misogynistic worldview, there are definitely a subset of feminists who are utter misandrists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 04:21 AM
1	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics He understood on some level it was transactional; despite this it was implicit that their relationship was to be “exclusive” (at least on her side) He kicked her out and sold the apartment, so she lost all money in the end.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 04:17 AM
–	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics People are not hypergamous, “hypergamy” is not how the psychology works. The psychology is narcissism and a desire to be seen a certain way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/24 05:12 AM
–	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics My hope is that I can steer at least one young man from drifting towards the red pill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/24 05:09 AM
–	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics The girlfriend exists as a marker of self-worth; men who do this have major self-esteem issues. It’s not about sex, it’s not about having a maid, it’s about being “seen” by others in a particular way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/24 05:08 AM
–	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics I often find that immature women are often split their desire; I had a patient (50’s, married) who had an early 20’s mistress. He was very successful, and he purchased for her a very nice apartment. All was well, until it was discovered she was bringing her “boyfriend” (20’s) over. He seemed genuinely heartbroken. Needless to say: there was a lot to unpack on his end.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/24 05:05 AM
–	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics I will go in to bat for you and say that if you guys have great chemistry, 13 years is not an impediment. Just be wary as you both get older; you may find her tastes change as realistically she is still developing. I do wish you both good luck and happiness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/24 05:00 AM
–	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics This is interesting because based on anecdote from many different contexts, I would agree that 26 is a cutoff, and I would also agree that that is pushing it. I dislike hard heuristics that fetishise people, but if you really want one, 27+ is about it. My observation is that people take a lot longer to mature, and many never do. Narcissism as a mental construct gets used a lot (erroneously) but psychologically “being a narcissist” is actually a normal stage of development; increasingly, people n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/24 04:53 AM
–	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics Culturally, telling women they are effectively unloveable after 30 is very damaging and in no way good for their mental health. While there may be a certain age range for both women and men where they are considered “most” attractive, the reality is that relationships need more than this. Attraction over time is complex and dynamic. I suspect for many TRP men, their sense of validation and self-worth comes from landing women who are “hot” - hence the obsessive fixation with age. “Inferior produc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/24 04:35 AM
3	Male mental health and victim blaming “… most mental illnesses are caused by arbitrary expectations” It’s not pedantry to point out that this is completely fallacious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/24 02:54 AM
9	Male mental health and victim blaming While your position is very reasonable (and I agree with it) the difficulty lies in the fact that opening one’s mouth and conceding there is a problem creates an identity issue; cultural norms dictate that men cannot be perceived as “weak” Men do in fact talk about their mental health - but only under the shroud of anonymity: just check r/guycry. If the culture can normalise the idea that mental illness is not a weakness, to separate the problem from the identity, so to speak, then it would alle…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 05:20 PM
7	Male mental health and victim blaming Can’t wait to explain this to my schizophrenic patients!	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 05:07 PM
1	THIS WILL ALWAYS♾️ BE🐝: POSTS📮 WITH AFFIRMATIVE✅ CLAIMS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE"🗣️ POST FLAIR DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD There was one particular convulsion to “prove by logic” that women require male desire in order to be aroused. The gotcha moment was OP describing a male being raped by female, and then saying, “see, no women would really desire this. Hence, women need male desire” This is a new level of absurdity in an already absurd worldview. I suspect OP based his entire theory of female sexual desire and its irreducible components from the observation that some girls do enjoy getting attention on Instagram.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 10:10 AM
5	THIS WILL ALWAYS♾️ BE🐝: POSTS📮 WITH AFFIRMATIVE✅ CLAIMS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE"🗣️ POST FLAIR DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD I feel like this was a particularly depressing week for PPD.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 09:26 AM
15	How have women evolved with hypergamous selection if they haven’t had a choice in their mate until modern era? As an idea, the pseudoscience of “evopsych” has done much damage to society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 06:49 AM
43	How have women evolved with hypergamous selection if they haven’t had a choice in their mate until modern era? I will try to give a reasonable response. Hypergamy is a theory, and it’s always flaunted as being “the” mode of female mate selection. But it’s not a biological theory, it was introduced as a sociological theory to try and explain why some people are more desirable than others. But there’s no rigor here. As soon as you start analysing the claims carefully, everything falls apart. There’s no strict or formal definition of status. What’s a high status man? While people do draw broad contours arou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 06:43 AM
–	Promiscuous women are bad because THEY enjoy being bad If he’s being forced to, it’s sexual assault. If he isn’t, there is at least some desire on his part.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 04:17 PM
2	Promiscuous women are bad because THEY enjoy being bad They don’t prove anything, though. Like, literally nothing. They’re just bizarre cases where you outline a guy being sexually assaulted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 04:13 PM
–	Promiscuous women are bad because THEY enjoy being bad Consider that your experience is narrow and not all-encompassing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 03:57 PM
–	Promiscuous women are bad because THEY enjoy being bad This is a new level of retarded for red pill. They want to claim male desire is necessary by saying “women wouldn’t want a guy who was forced at gunpoint” and I think they genuinely don’t understand why this is idiotic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 03:51 PM
–	Promiscuous women are bad because THEY enjoy being bad “Women need men’s desire” - getting a forced handjob from a male celebrity is zero desire, sure. It’s sexual assault. “Would most women decline to sexually assault a man?” - yes, most would. This is not some fundamental truth of the female libido; barring sexual assault, two people need to come together for sex. They may have different levels of enthusiasm, but they both need some enthusiasm to get there. If the guy has zero desire, sex isn’t happening. This has zero bearing on whether the girl …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 03:46 PM
–	Promiscuous women are bad because THEY enjoy being bad I see satire is lost on you good sir.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 03:36 PM
–	Promiscuous women are bad because THEY enjoy being bad In that… if he continued to not like her, there would be no sex… because he does not like her. This isn’t difficult.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 03:32 PM
7	If you’re waiting 3 dates (or a month) to fuck someone, you would have been better off having a hookup and fucking immediately. …it makes perfect sense? Plenty of guys just want to have sex, if she does too, great. If she wants a relationship, she’s going to need to weed out guys that aren’t looking for one. There’s an element of socialisation that comes into play here, too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 03:29 PM
–	Promiscuous women are bad because THEY enjoy being bad This is just insane: “she into him because she hopes he’ll come around…” of course she hopes he’ll like her, but that’s not why she likes him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:40 PM
–	Promiscuous women are bad because THEY enjoy being bad She hopes a guy she likes will like her back? Oh those crazy, crazy women!!	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:37 PM
0	Women's Sexual Fantasies More Self Focused Compared to Men's I’ll put this here because it’s very relevant, and I think my comment is a little too far down. The most common male fantasy is cuckolding, and the most common female fantasy is the bad boy turned good.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:32 PM
2	Women's Sexual Fantasies More Self Focused Compared to Men's In psychiatry, the most common fantasies are: Men: cuckolding Women: the bad boy who turns good just for me I’ll leave that there. Draw your own conclusions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:29 PM
6	If you’re waiting 3 dates (or a month) to fuck someone, you would have been better off having a hookup and fucking immediately. “You like a guy so much you won’t have sex with him for months…” Yes, because from her perspective she risks nothing by sleeping with the guy she doesn’t like. If he thinks less of her, so what? And she didn’t want to see him again anyway. Men get this confused because for a lot of us, the apotheosis of a relationship is the first time we have sex; that’s the marker that she’s “into” us. It’s just a matter of seeing things from her angle; that if she actually does sense there’s a potential relat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:23 PM
–	Promiscuous women are bad because THEY enjoy being bad I don’t get why it’s so difficult for you to understand that a woman could be really into a guy that is not into her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 01:47 PM
–	Promiscuous women are bad because THEY enjoy being bad The mental gymnastics on display, all to obviate that women have a sex drive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 01:46 PM
6	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects “There’s no masculine equivalent to feminism” As far as a politics of masculinity is concerned? As a mode of operationalising those politics? There absolutely is. Hint: look at the sub. Even as a set of principles and values, there exists a counter-point to feminism. There’s no academic equivalent, but… I wouldn’t define how most women operationalise feminism to be academic. “we just act our nature” It’s an intrinsic part of our nature to enter aggressive text strings into reddit.com ? Sounds mo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 08:40 AM
0	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects There is fairness to this allusion; for what it’s worth, the men’s rights movement do actually hold some good positions (albeit with no political power) I will say though that both can attract disaffected men and serve as magnets for misogynists. Again, similar to feminism for women. You are correct in implying that beyond that, there is not much similarity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 08:08 AM
13	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects What is going on with your friendships that these are the people you’re friends with? Seriously. I have never had an issue like the one you’re describing; not with women or men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 07:49 AM
10	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects Can you give an example of said petty, inconsequential shit? I will agree that women tend to veer more agreeable than men, but… even if we assume this to be true, this does not explain the dating climate. It does not “explain women’s behaviour” or offer any predictive power. Women are as self-aware as men; if a given woman is behaving badly and rationalising it, that’s on her. Bad guys also have excuses for their behaviour.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 07:28 AM
1	Q4W: what's your opinion on lust? I think people that are cool with really getting violent with their kids are doing so for very different reasons than just frustration after overexposure. Everyone gets fed up, few take the next step of punching someone one third their size.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 07:18 AM
7	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects Men get rejected by women, are unable to cope, and find a ready made philosophy that explains why women are evil. Look, I have a lot of female friends, and this is not “how they are” There are interesting differences in how they socialise in groups and discuss things, but TRP has no explanatory power beyond the trivial. There are absolutely women of the vein that TRP describe, but I don’t know why you would want to be with them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 07:14 AM
2	Investment in Dating: Men Should Copy Mid/Ugly Women’s Approach A self-esteem “cost” is only incurred if the only thing you desire is to be desired. If you treat dating as a matter of finding mutual compatibility, then it’s mutual rejection. I get dating can be exhausting, and we all want to be liked, but come on. People do not exist in a linear hierarchy. This is silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 07:09 AM
7	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects I like to think that in a far flung future, “can women even feel love?” will be a meme used to mock our present anxieties.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 06:49 AM
7	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects TRP gives a kind of face to male anxieties in the current dating climate. It’s the trendier and hipper cousin to the “men’s rights movement” Feminism is now so broad, that yes, misandrists wind up here too. Similar: female anxieties regarding dating. Both sets encompass people that are distrustful and resentful of people on the other side, but underneath it all is pain and rejection. TRP actually gives decent advice regarding specific behaviours - if you were to ask me, “how could I be more attr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 06:45 AM
1	Investment in Dating: Men Should Copy Mid/Ugly Women’s Approach I think this is where the “investment” term could use a little more precision. Look, people are complex, and if she likes him as a friend it’s possible feelings may develop. But if she isn’t physically attracted to him, then no, him “trying hard” is in some sense not going to change that in the short term. I agree. But he will well end up being attracted to some girl who actually will be willing to give him a shot, and at that point, if he does nothing and puts in no effort, he will just be hurt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:30 AM
0	People should think about their priorities before complaining about dating. This reads like dark satire.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:21 AM
2	Investment in Dating: Men Should Copy Mid/Ugly Women’s Approach I’m sorry that you’ve been mocked and ridiculed, but you really need to consider who you’re dating if that’s the outcome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:18 AM
2	Investment in Dating: Men Should Copy Mid/Ugly Women’s Approach “Investment” can be a fuzzy word in this context, but “putting effort in” will always yield better results than not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:15 AM
1	Q4W: what's your opinion on lust? That is objectifying and fetishising: she becomes an object (you do not conceive of her as a human being) and the locus of sexual desire is placed on one part (her ass) Look, objectifying can be fun to an extent: we’ve all done it. And it’s context dependent; complimenting someone on a body part may be encouraged (the club) and discouraged by the same person (the workplace) This becomes an issue only when you lose sight of how and why we do it; don’t ignore the human being. Edit: yes I like CS L…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:06 AM
2	Q4W: what's your opinion on lust? “…don’t treat people like things” is entirely incompatible with red pill philosophy. Is, in fact, the point: women are dehumanised. Reduced to machines.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 01:58 AM
1	Q4W: what's your opinion on lust? While I spend most of my time on this sub defending women, I will note that women are roughly equally as likely as men to commit domestic violence against children. Thus, offering some support to the “opportunities for violence” hypothesis. Or at least the “children can be annoying/overwhelmed by parenting” hypothesis. It has also been noted that women are far more likely to engage in social ostracism (proactive aggression) than physical violence (more-ish reactive aggression) So some interestin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 01:33 AM
3	What's wrong with being misogynistic? Why SHOULDN'T men become misogynists? Well… you are a hateful misanthrope 😉	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 01:08 AM
-3	What's wrong with being misogynistic? Why SHOULDN'T men become misogynists? There’s some over-intellectualised comments here; let me break it down very simply (heteronormative style): 1) Being in love feels amazing. 2) Sex is great fun. And once puberty hits, there’s no going back.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 02:46 PM
9	Most men fall easily for women's tricks. Very bizarre example. Would we be able to get an example that isn’t just “women appear to be submissive”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 02:43 PM
1	The Red Pill perpetuates itself by setting men up to fail No, my point is - and this is so basic most people would want to avoid it - why is this the problem you care about? On some level, conscious or subconscious, this is what you care about. And RP might claim to “simplify” the problem, but my issue is their particular reductive logic is wrong, like, many counter-examples wrong. And yet still, it gets flaunted as being some kind of universal, inviolate truth. For 3000 years of written word, we have made very little progress in reducing human psychol…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 06:21 AM
0	The way redpillers talk about girls is offensive and often just outright wrong. I fear that much misogyny marches under the banner of red pill, in the same way that much misandry has been rebranded as feminism. And it’s sad. At its heart, there are many very hurt people who just want to be loved.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 06:05 AM
1	The Red Pill perpetuates itself by setting men up to fail The fact that you view female sexuality as a “problem” is why you are anxious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 06:03 AM
2	The way redpillers talk about girls is offensive and often just outright wrong. “A lot of men here just hate women” - you nailed it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 02:55 AM
5	If women are inseparable from their nature and biological drives, is there a point in trying to be good and in trying to be more than that nature? There are absolutely a subset of feminists that believe all men are evil. The unfortunate reality is that people of both genders are willing to demonise each other.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 03:49 AM
9	If women are inseparable from their nature and biological drives, is there a point in trying to be good and in trying to be more than that nature? This is exactly why RP is wrong: an entire gender is not inherently evil.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 02:01 AM
-2	The Red Pill perpetuates itself by setting men up to fail But again: why did you need women to like you in order to be happy? Relationships are great, but being in one is not the end goal of life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 01:48 AM
14	The Red Pill perpetuates itself by setting men up to fail While many of the individual behaviours team RP advocates for are in fact “good” (for various reasons) at least some of this effect is generated by giving adherents a sense of control over their respective situations. What is categorically bad about RP, is how incredibly dehumanising it is to women; women are treated as hyper-simplistic objects, governed by no more than a handful of animalistic desires and denied absolutely any moral agency at all. An anecdote of a shitty woman is generalised to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/24 06:21 PM
–	Expecting for men to pay for your first date sets a bad precedent for the relationship “Between this, and arguing over housework, I wonder how people sort out real conflicts” Shhhhh. no one here thinks that far ahead	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:06 AM
1	If Cinderella is the fairytale of a low SMV woman capturing a top 20% man. Then what is male equivalent fairytale for men's struggles? Yes you’re right; in that sense it’s similar to the drive behind a lot of girls posting selfies to Instagram; being desired is what is most desirable. It’s not actually having sex, or enjoying spending money or whatever, it’s just other people wanting you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 12:55 AM
–	Expecting for men to pay for your first date sets a bad precedent for the relationship For me, it comes more from a place of “wanting someone to look after” (…I think)	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 12:51 AM
–	Expecting for men to pay for your first date sets a bad precedent for the relationship blushes Thank-you so much, that is very, very kind of you. You have made my day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 12:49 AM
1	Expecting for men to pay for your first date sets a bad precedent for the relationship Thank-you! Merry Christmas to you too!	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 04:14 PM
1	Expecting for men to pay for your first date sets a bad precedent for the relationship FYI this also covers the “rebranded as people” - that’s not being high maintenance, that’s having a poorly defined sense of self. Again: you talk, you spend time, you understand.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 04:10 PM
2	Expecting for men to pay for your first date sets a bad precedent for the relationship No, it wouldn’t bother me at all. You’d find that out by just talking to them and getting to know them better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 04:08 PM
8	Expecting for men to pay for your first date sets a bad precedent for the relationship Because that’s the type: what you might broadly call “high maintenance” They behave/dress/appear a certain way because on some level, this is who they want to be. I’m attracted to them because on some level this is who I want to be with (the “why” of that would need an entire essay). And they accept dates from me because again, I appear a certain way. The difficult/(easy?) part is actually getting to know someone, and seeing if your personalities vibe and you have chemistry together. But again, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 04:01 PM
7	Expecting for men to pay for your first date sets a bad precedent for the relationship Sure! Everyone is attracted to different people; one of my main issues with the red pill community is its reductive view of women/people; the filter the world gets viewed through is: “how hot is she out of 10?” People don’t work like this. While I agree there can be broad cultural consensus on markers of physical beauty, I think these markers are actually just that: cultural. If it was really an objective (by which people really just mean: genetic) metric, then it would not explain the extraordi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 03:31 PM
10	Expecting for men to pay for your first date sets a bad precedent for the relationship This may be unpopular I think, but here goes: I always pay, for everything. And I gift generously too. The money is not an issue, and I would rather put high effort in than low effort. Maybe think, “what kinds of girls do I attract?” and “who am I attracted to?” The answers to these questions usually clears up what you should be doing. (And also: “Is what I desire good for me?” - if you’re really feeling like a deep dive…) In my case it began as behaviour to conform to gender norms, but as per t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 02:48 PM
2	If Cinderella is the fairytale of a low SMV woman capturing a top 20% man. Then what is male equivalent fairytale for men's struggles? This is it, the part that’s never said out loud, and never consciously examined. RedPiller’s aren’t coherent except for one defining idea: a man’s worth is determined by what women think of him. RP’s don’t really have an understanding of people or relationships, hence the reductive logic: “all women really want is…” where height and money may be quantifiable, muscle mass… sure. But “attraction” is not, cannot really, ever be defined. A dynamic process of getting to know someone, and being unders…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/24 09:38 AM
1	Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to women The details of that parental care, eg. what does parental care actually entail in a pragmatic sense? OP’s concern I think is with his (perceived) inequality of the legal -> financial burden placed on men. “Parental care” here is exactly that, and only that eg. a man who never misses child support payments, but is emotionally unavailable is providing perfect “parental care” under this definition. I believe OP is asking for a reexamination of those legal and financial details. It is more subtle th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 05:07 AM
1	Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to women “Should” be? Why? A major issue for OP is the nature of the very real and extant legal obligations; those obligations being financial in nature with the also very real possibility of causing genuine hardship. We agree that children do have (positive) rights, but “obligations” in this case to the service of those rights (from the original argument made by OP) refer specifically to legal obligations; it is the details of those (legal) obligations that are under examination. One could ask, assuming…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 04:55 AM
1	Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to women Except they are obligated by law; hence the contradiction here. You seem to take as a first principle the positive rights to parental care, but as an anarchist, I’m unsure what this rests upon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 04:35 AM
2	Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to women And if they did not create them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 04:27 AM
1	Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to women There is no requirement to support except via law; hence the debate: is this law fair? I agree; we could we be more rigorous and nuanced in our use of words. “Enslaved” is not entirely unwarranted; men do end up in prison, perhaps “imprisoned” would have the finesse you’re looking for?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 04:24 AM
–	Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to women Legal rights do in pragmatic effect financially “enslave” someone who may not have any desire for the child to be born. A child is not granted, from first principles, any rights to an existence it did not consent to; these (legal) rights are constructed through norms (the social contract) based on compassionate grounds. Note that at various points in history social norms regarding infants have differed (eg. the practice of eugenics in Sparta) While I hope we can all agree that children should be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 04:17 AM
–	Society has given women a free pass for their standards while condemning men for theirs I think saying “younger” is fine, where younger is 25+	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 11:31 PM