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And hollywood. Hollywood is America's most powerful weapon. It's more difficult to wage war against a country whose culture you understand well, and hollywood helps spread awareness of american culture. Also, political propaganda from the US reaches the rest of the world and affects politics there. English speaking countries are most affected.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 09:58 AM
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I went down the rabbit hole of their original discussion where they tried to agree on standard definitions for terms like patriarchy. Feminists were forced to confront the fact that you have to either define the patriarchy as something that oppressed most men and privileged most women or define it as a thing that doesn't exist in western culture.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/20 08:13 PM
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/u/BornFreeWE points out that the text uses legal speak to redefine discrimination as not discrimination: Article 4 p 3: The implementation of the provisions of this Convention by the Parties, in particular measures to protect the rights of victims, shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex.... Article 4 p 4: Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/20 05:55 PM
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Yep, that's the standard right wing rhetoric. It starts with "that's to be expected because that how the system is setup" and it ends with "you should acquire power of your own". Every statement he makes is just one typical right wing talking point after another. Piratically congratulating the other news corporations for not standing by CNN because CNN is their competitions. And minimizing what happened by saying "This is no time to be rejecting news coverage because someone's [CNN's] feelings a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/20 12:50 AM
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He's a right wing pundit: https://youtu.be/W7CP3Pfj4Xg?t=452 Argues that it's OK for trump to exclude CNN because that's the way things are, trump has the right to exclude new networks that don't kiss his ass. CNN insulted trump therefore it's sensible for Trump to kick CNN to the curb. This is typical right wing logic. Left wing logic: Here is a case of dangerous abuse of power that can lead to oppression and totalitarian control. We need to nip it in the bud. Right wing logic: We have a system…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/20 09:44 PM
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TerminusStop was trying to explain the absurdity of your comment. I just don't know why he wrote so much stuff. Here's how you do it: To the comment of how soy causes reduced sperm count you countered with "irrelevant since the planet is already extraordinarily overpopulated". QED
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/20 09:08 PM
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Feminism took the mantle of civil liberties and then deplatformed anything that might upset the upper class's ability to exploit the working class.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 12:50 PM
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I think that's exactly what it is. Saying that's a generational thing is wrong. The rich rich attractive misogynist kid is going to get just as much of a pass. Feminism, by and large, is a tool OF the patriarchy, not a tool against it. The patriarchy has a few people at the top, wanting to protect a great number of women close to them. To a lesser extent, they want to protect all women. And they want to exploit all other men. These people at the top are mostly men, but there are some women among…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 07:56 AM
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Fair enough, /u/genkernels actually corrected me and explained that I'm actually referring to the overton window. I will look into it more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 10:38 AM
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That's strange that's opposite of how I see it. Sometimes political correctness is used to control how something is said, which I don't care for. But its desired purpose is to suppress what ideas someone can promote without losing their reputation. And yes, as a result, if you are a spokesperson for an organisation with a reputation to protect, what you are allowed to say will be suppressed. If today, the CEO of McDonals makes highly racist remark during a public shareholder's conference. People…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 08:05 PM
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I am not trying to promote the importance of "political correctness" as you or most people interpret the term. I am trying to promote the importance of "political correctness" as I have described it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 07:22 PM
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What I'd like to do, is pick one topic and one region and then do in depth research on the status of that topic in terms of history, current progress, organizations etc... For example, domestic violence in Australia. Are they using the Duluth model, what's the reality of domestic violence against men over there. What options do male victims have? How have things evolved over the last 50 years? What organizations exist today to help with it? What is the status of the legislation on the topic? Who…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 03:51 PM
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I don't know entirely what to think about Trans people. But first and foremost, they are people. And as such they deserve respect and dignity just like anyone else. They are also marginalized, and they are a lot of people hell bent on taking that respect and dignity away from them, so extra attention towards Trans people is warranted when trying to ensure everyone has equal rights and opportunities. Basically, think of me as an "intersectional feminist" but without the misandry and who is somewh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 11:45 AM
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There's reason to believe that this subreddit will grow quite fast. For now it is a real grassroots movement. The neo-libs have successfully turned the progressive and civil rights movement on its head. Neo-libs almost openly hate the poor today. And I'm not talking about the rich and powerful, I'm talking about the neo-lib base. They listen to all that anti-conservative rhetoric to the point where they believe that they are all racist, sexist, nazi, morons. As a result they no longer really sup…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 08:51 AM
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You are absolutely correct. I have made an edit to the post to try and correct this. I can't believe I made this mistake, I have several times chastised others for doing it too :/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 09:28 PM
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Yeah, that's the sort of thing I was trying to get at with the Jordan Peterson remark. A lot of people don't want to live like that and a lot of men don't understand how self destructive and easy to exploit this kind of behavior can be. But it's also important to recognize that some men want to be the tough, stoic hunk that dedicates his life to being a breadwinner. And we need to have a system that allows for that and supports them so they don't get unduly exploited and they can reap the benefi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 01:35 AM
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I'm reporting this. It's a low effort post attacking the worst of the left, which is not us. While pretending that the right isn't just as bad. And it has nothing to do with men's issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 10:59 AM
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He did kind of lose me at "spineless and worthless" although, I don't think he meant it the way you interpreted it. But that's just a minor incoherent argument in what is overall a pretty good picture of the big problem that is feminism. You talk about feminism like it is this big complex thing that cannot be coherently described. But to us, it is not. To us, feminism is the movement that has very powerful effects on laws, policies and regulations on governments, businesses and media. It is ille…
/r/MensRights18/12/19 01:00 AM
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It's not illogical nor is it a lack of compassion. But it lacks common sense and it attempts to twist the truth into a lie. Others have already explained how absolutely no one could believe that what she did was an attempt to cheat the election. And yet, that's what the headline implies.
/r/MensRights16/12/19 10:29 AM
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Not it's not, and they're exactly right about how it is used. Political bodies can push through male-oppressive policy through the moral veneer of feminism. That's why feminism is so powerful and so difficult to stop. Republicans/conservatives have been unable to jump onto the feminist bandwagon (but they did try). They of course, will never legitimately back men's rights. That would go against the interest of their financial backers. Thanks to Jordan Peterson, they've found a way to go back to …
/r/MensRights16/12/19 09:55 AM
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This is all part of the new /r/mensrights Logic, sense, truth and compassion be damned. Something happened that we can twist to fit our narrative!!
/r/MensRights16/12/19 09:42 AM
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I sincerely doubt that /r/menslib was started by "someone in /r/feminism". I'm admittedly a bit of a conspiracy theorist but /r/menslib is far too strategically effective and far too well resourced to be an accident. I don't know were it comes from, but it is possible that it is not much more than a secondary effect of a more powerful movement. E.g. you could have significant group of "gender's studies" academics pushing for the principles behind /r/menslib and the students of those academics th…
/r/MensRights14/12/19 04:29 PM
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There is no coherent ideological basis for /r/menslib /r/menslib is a branch of feminism and as with most things feminism they try out a wide variety of anti male concepts and find out which ones stick. You have identified one of the many techniques they commonly use to push or support their sexist mindset. Like most things, it works best (for feminists) in combination with patriarchy theory and white male privilege theory. For example, when men are more successful than women at a particular kin…
/r/MensRights14/12/19 04:24 PM
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What in the hell does this post have to do with men's rights. It's like you guys are intentionally making your anti-woman borderline misogynist post more and more blatant.
/r/MensRights14/12/19 03:46 PM
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Then you don't understand the war. The war is against lies and misinformation. The men's rights community in general and /r/mensrights in particular is an active battlefield. Feminism has been a core part of the enemy's territory for a very long time. We used to have atheism as well, but that got diluted with atheism+. It's a war we can never win, but we must always fight. Because when you lose that war, you turn into the middle east.
/r/MensRights13/12/19 08:18 AM
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I miss the days where you could count on the fact that anytime a top post was misleading, there would be an enterprising individual who did his research and debunks it. And that comment would be upvoted to the top. We don't see that anymore. And more and more, I see misleading posts on reddit with no clear denunciation. Ever on /r/mensrights. And that means that I can't trust a post like this. And I don't know how to verify it. The last thing I want is to start using this argument IRL or somewhe…
/r/MensRights07/12/19 11:26 PM
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TL;DR: Wow, that's a wall of text... Just some shitpost about how both the left and the right are trying to exploit and oppress men. Liberals use feminism, conservatives use "responsibility theory" (think Jordan Peterson). ​ I wish I knew how to make progress. I think the best we can do is to keep talking about men's rights both online and in person. And try to do it intelligently both in terms of the quality of our arguments and in terms of our social skills. But at the same time, I just realiz…
/r/MensRights07/12/19 09:54 PM
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Correct: Feminist = sexist Not-feminist = normal people.
/r/MensRights05/12/19 07:51 AM
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Well, whatever it was before, is now hate movement primarily geared towards female supremacy and gives lip service to other issues such as lgbt rights and ethnic rights. Both of which made great progress and never needed feminism to make that progress. Civil Rights is a thing with or without feminism. We should stop using the word feminism. There's just us normal people, and sexist people who call themselves feminist.
/r/MensRights05/12/19 07:50 AM
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First, I'll repeat what some others have said. You're probably mixing up your subreddits. This is a men's rights discussion forum, not a men's dating discussion forum like r/theredpill (which is one of the top contributors to hypergamy theory and it also has been weirdly banned by reddit). But there is a small overlaps in the members, so I guess I can kinda understand why you came here. Anyway, the narrative from subreddits like the "red pill theory" is that for the ages 18-25, attractive women …
/r/MensRights05/12/19 07:44 AM
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Male privilege does not apply to anyone. There is only attractive privilege and rich privilege.
/r/MensRights04/12/19 04:22 AM
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The video lacks the full context. I'm not so sure he was talking about how women are doing better in general. He was talking about how women were doing better at following a particular program that we don't know about because it's not explained in the excerpt.
/r/MensRights28/11/19 07:27 PM
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In the western modern world, physical threats are very minor. Legal, social and political threats are extremely important. And women have the advantage for all of those. Men need women's protection now more than ever.
/r/MensRights23/11/19 09:19 PM
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Men should definitely protect women and children. But they shouldn't "man up" to do it. Because men should be protecting other men too. And women should be protecting men and children too. That's what's toxic about your whole post. Putting all the responsibility and accountability on men. When you're promoting an ideology that on one side tries to remove all powers from men and given undue power to women and on the other side tries to hold men accountable for everything and responsible for fixin…
/r/MensRights22/11/19 12:11 PM
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Pushing toxic masculinity theory without using the words toxic masculinity has shown itself to be somewhat successful. They'll probably go with that.
/r/MensRights21/11/19 12:35 AM
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At this point, I genuinely can't tell if this is sarcasm.
/r/MensRights11/11/19 12:42 PM
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The feminist propaganda machine is very powerful. And they keep trying all sorts of different things until they find something that sticks. This Nivea add is the closest thing they have to spreading the concept of toxic masculinity that can actually work. The problem is (for feminazis) is that it promotes compassion for men. I think it's important that our response to this be measured and nuanced. Overall, I don't think messages like this will succeed in advancing the feminazi agenda. I think it…
/r/MensRights08/11/19 10:16 PM
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It's not progressive, it's regressive. Progressive seeks to have liberties for all. These ideologies seek to to box men into a specific set of behaviors.
/r/MensRights08/11/19 09:54 PM
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You'll be fine, I was exactly where you are now. I can't say I have the wife and kids yet, but that's my own fault and priorities. What you have is a lot of inner strength. What could help you lots is having more social strength. And you don't have to deal with that much bullshit, you just need to find people who you like and who will respect you. The problem is, that without much social skills, it's difficult to have people respect you. It takes a lot of practice and a lot of wisdom. I don't th…
/r/MensRights06/11/19 12:23 AM
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Life is hard for me too. Hang in there. Also I think you have the perspective inversed. Abusing women doesn't make you weak. And taking care of women doesn't make you strong. It's when you're weak that you start to feel that the only option left is to abuse women. And it's when you're strong that you can afford to protect women. If you want to protect women, you have to get strong. To get strong, you have to take care of yourself first. Make a strong support structure of male friends. That means…
/r/MensRights05/11/19 08:22 PM
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Yeah, maybe I'm still no quite understanding what you're trying to say. Are you saying that men who prioritize taking care of themselves, their family and their friends above taking care of women in general are douche bags? Because if that's what you believe then you have a serious problem of lack of compassion for men in general, so you shouldn't be surprised if the people around you don't have much compassion for you. When you have more compassion for people different from you than you do for …
/r/MensRights05/11/19 05:50 PM
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To many of us, here's what it sounds like. It sounds like you feel like being a man means that you have to take care of everyone else but no one else has to take care of you. It sounds like you think to have other people care about you and respect you, you have to be willing to sacrifice yourself for women. But that's not how things should be, you should be able to find people who will care about you and respect you just for being you. If you like taking care of women, then that's fine too. But …
/r/MensRights05/11/19 07:54 AM
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But they're not inherently more prone to crime. So it would make sense for us to invest heavily into making sure that black neighborhoods are safe, both from other blacks and the police. Which means, as Shapiro has mentioned, a much greater investment in security and police in black neighborhood. There's not many people getting paid 25k/year who are going to be willing to put their lives at greater risk just to make sure that the black guy who's probably a murder still feels safe, just in case h…
/r/MensRights26/10/19 07:59 AM
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To add to what Arizth said, once you find the magic incorruptible human, he's going to be competing against all the corrupt people who are looking for this job. This being the most sought after job for corrupt people, if you're in the US that'll be about 50 million people. 1% of whom will be way smarter than your incorruptible human. So that's 500 thousand candidate more competent than your guy. 1% of whom will have been able to keep their history and background cleaner (more politically correct…
/r/MensRights26/10/19 07:51 AM
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Don't let this shill confuse you. The intended message was clear: natural male behavior is bad, men are bad, they need to be fixed. It is straight out of the /r/MensLib cookbook. And it is all about putting all the blame and responsibility on men, asking men to change who they are, neuter themselves for problems generally caused by society and natural gender relations. I agree that human beings in general need to keep learning to be more civilized and cooperate more. But the thing about cooperat…
/r/MensRights07/10/19 09:06 PM
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Does power really corrupt, or is it that it is corrupt people who seek power?
/r/MensRights06/10/19 08:24 AM
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Those are just words, for some interpretation of those words, yes. But saying something is "sexual violence" or "sexual assault" has legal connotations, and I want to address that because I believe that legal and institutional involvement should be wary of nuance and generally avoid inserting itself in people's interpersonal relationships. Threats are illegal and should be illegal. Regardless of what you're trying to force the person to do. However this only applies when you are threatening to d…
/r/MensRights29/09/19 08:18 AM
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That ending though...
/r/MensRights28/09/19 09:51 AM
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I'm so disappointed, feminism has completely destroyed the civil rights movement. It is disgusting.
/r/MensRights17/09/19 09:45 PM
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I'm actually kinda surprised that Gillette and P&G aren't suffering more. I have completely cut off P&G and don't plan on ever going back. That's a fair amount of money not going into P&G's pocket and I'm just one person. I really don't believe for one second that feminists have started buying P&G, they'll hate on anything for any reason. However, I do have some family in the industry, and top level management for competitors are actually just as incompetent and often much worse. P&G may be drop…
/r/MensRights17/09/19 09:44 PM
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It's not normal, but should not land you on a permanent sexual predator list. It probably shouldn't even land you in jail, unless you keep doing it. Like the other guy says, it should get you kicked out, and probably fined.
/r/MensRights17/09/19 09:33 PM
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There's nothing really harmful about a man doing the same. The problem here is not how permissive we are with female sexuality, the problem here is the criminalization and demonification of male sexuality.
/r/MensRights17/09/19 09:21 PM
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Is this men's lib or men's rights? Are they using stretched logic to claim that a problem that men suffer from is caused by the man himself? -> Men's Lib Are they highlighting a case of institutional discrimination against men? Men's Rights Are they telling men to change their behavior? -> Men's Lib Are they asking for men's friends to be more supportive of the men in their lives? -> Men's Rights Are they telling men that to help themselves they should focus on helping women? -> Men's Lib Are th…
/r/MensRights15/09/19 10:04 AM
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I think goodmod is saying that she is an exception to the no-doxxing rule because she's already a public figure.
/r/MensRights14/09/19 06:22 AM
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Meh, up until now feminism has been in lock step with the elite. But going after the board of directors is a big No-No. This is just a course correction of a little sprout from feminism that went a bit too far. Feminism and the elite have been working to get back in lockstep for around a year now.
/r/MensRights30/08/19 10:09 PM
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He wasn't making a speech for congress. He was writing a post on what looks like 4chan.
/r/MensRights30/08/19 10:04 PM
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Right, which bring us to the point about no one caring about men. We've got this thing that hurts men. And what you've heard is this twisted logic about how it's actually women that are hurt by this.
/r/MensRights27/08/19 06:25 PM
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Oh wow 2 years! That's only half as much brainwashing as those people who do a 4 year Gender Studies major. That makes you half as unqualified to talk about muslims as a gender studies major is unqualified to talk about men. And now people are disagreeing with you? OMG I am so shocked /s Also, when arguing with an idiot, you're never going to win against the idiot. There are still very important objectives that you have to achieve which means you shouldn't run away like a coward: If there's peop…
/r/MensRights26/08/19 04:45 PM
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Apex fallacy: they justify oppressive behavior on the majority of men by looking at the behavior of those men at the very highest status of society.
/r/MensRights25/08/19 11:02 AM
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I totally agree that manspreading is a bullshit issue that was propagated by feminists with shitty consequences as men are getting arrested for it. The viral video doesn't show what feminists think of it. It didn't go viral because of feminists. It went viral because of MRA's like you. Armored Skeptic did a great video debunking it and explaining how it is specifically tailored to become viral among MRAs, not feminists. It went viral because MRAs like you care more about getting outraged than th…
/r/MensRights24/08/19 08:28 PM
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Being fake, it demonstrates absolutely nothing except how little you care about reality and the truth.
/r/MensRights24/08/19 07:16 PM
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That video is fake, it's all actors and it's not bleach.
/r/MensRights24/08/19 06:33 PM
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This is legit scary. I've been saying for a while that one of the top focus of the MRAs should be to create an expectation of empathy and compassion for men. And here we have feminists already ahead of us, telling people that empathy and compassion for men is wrong.
/r/MensRights20/08/19 05:33 PM
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Lol, you should have accused him of using microaggression against you on the basis that he made you feel like your opinion didn't matter.
/r/MensRights20/08/19 05:29 PM
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Honestly, I smell a fish. It wouldn't be the first time a company uses SJW division as a distraction for a different problem. Gillette was already in trouble before this. Bad decisions were probably made and upper management needs to cover their ass. So they claim to be doing SJW work and then swipe everything under that rug. Then they get a free pass.
/r/MensRights14/08/19 12:09 PM
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These kinda articles are really difficult to judge. You know where they're coming from: they're trying to push the anti-male toxic masculinity concept. But they've tried so many things and they keep getting backlash so they had to water-down the the toxic masculinity stuff to something that's almost (but not really) wholesome. The wholesome thing of course, is be who you want to be. And if that means that you want to be traditionally manly so you can get the attention of traditionally feminine w…
/r/MensRights12/08/19 04:08 PM
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100% the term allies is there to increase division between men and women and from the feminist perspective it places men as second class citizens within the feminist movement. It says: "as a man, you have no agency or say into what feminism does or says, you are an ally that is here to further the objectives that feminism explains to you" And that is very much the approach that we don't want to take. And frankly IMO the best active MRAs today are women. So I don't see finding ways to recruit mor…
/r/MensRights04/08/19 06:55 AM
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Mental health professional have had a terrible track record. It is a very subjective field, especially when applied. People bias to care about women and disregard main makes it rational for men to refuse to put their sanity in the hands of a stranger. To me, the Opioid crisis in the US is evidence of this. Organisations and individuals looking to make easy money buy selling addictive (legal) narcotic drugs to vulnerable men. Many people in the pipeline probably believe they are doing the right t…
/r/MensRights03/08/19 08:57 PM
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A few months before the add, I engaged some guy trying to promote the concept of toxic masculinity on /r/mensrights he concluded that he totally believed he had gained some convert. Not sure who he was and I can't find it anymore (changed my username since then). Soon after both P&G and the APA came out against toxic masculinity. I think it was a disaster for both, but they're both trying to gaslight their way out of it. Basically, doing a weird double-down back away at the same time. Never admi…
/r/MensRights01/08/19 06:52 PM
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It's the same shit as everywhere. Crazy laws that totally oppress men, except for those men who are immune to the law. And in India, being immune to the law is just a couple thousand dollars away.
/r/MensRights04/07/19 09:49 PM
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I like how he makes a good effort at honestly representing the MRA position. ​ I've only watched the first part where he "counters" the workplace deaths thing. And he actually mentions male disposability. And his argument is, most workplace deaths are by truck drivers and Cassie Jaye's the red pill didn't mention truck drivers. Therefore... I don't even know what his point it. But he does mock them for peeing in bottles, as in the pressure of their job is so insane some of them end up to extreme…
/r/MensRights01/07/19 09:21 PM
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I am cautiously optimistic. But it might just be MensLib brand of boys human rights. ​ As in, are boys allowed to wear a skirt in school ? Do boys believe it's ok to cry? Then you score good. ​ Are boys allowed to play at wrestling? Are boys taught before they can be smooth and suave flirting with girls they have to make a bunch of clumsy attempts that will make some girls uncomfortable? Are boys taught to be strong and stoic? Then you score poorly. ​ That's MensLib's brand of men's rights. It's…
/r/MensRights27/06/19 10:18 AM
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