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Reality. For millennia - from at minimum the Bible on. I’m fully aware that pretending reality doesn’t exist is a thing among some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:25 PM
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False. Your evidence is not replicated, is off topic, is about birds. Not one of those studies was about sexual attractiveness, by the way, and they have obvious flaws in conclusions and methods. To lean on them to make the claims you are making us absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:24 PM
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Back at you. You’re doing the fallacy of “I found several people who say this thing that I want to believe, therefore it must be true”. You are ignoring the flaws in their evidence and conclusions and ignoring the obvious counter-evidence. It’s normal to do this, and it’s also clear why you want to believe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:25 PM
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This is not true. The Wikipedia article was discussing a known phenomenon in some species of animals with some disputed connections to humans. There has been no sound evidence presented of sexual attraction being consistent across cultures and time. And there has been no counterpoint to the evidence that it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:22 PM
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I did though. Numerous times. Perhaps to other of the boring people who want to insist that culture does not impact people’s opinions despite millennia of evidence. The replication does not come out with the same outcomes in several instances, so… put that together. Also many of the studies cited are irrelevant to the topic. Also bird mating is irrelevant to the topic. Your desire to believe this is clear. Your evidence is weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:15 PM
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I raised the flaws in the other studies. You did not raise the flaws in the ones I linked to. The ones that support my view are so far 2-0
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 02:26 PM
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I’m refusing to acknowledge it because it’s untrue. If women want a relationship, they too need to seek one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 04:08 AM
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If they don’t want the relationship, they have no pressure to find it. If they do they have more pressure than men. The question here is why are more women content without it. It is not resolved by saying that the women who are not content without it feel like they can wait. The women who are not content without it are under a time pressure that men are not under. The women (and men) who are content without it have no pressure. Critical thinking would also include not making a strawman about men…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 04:01 AM
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You do have social issues. You are proclaiming that you believe that there is no actual friendship between women and men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:51 AM
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I have said that women who want marriage and kids would be under more time pressure. —-I did not say all women. Notably, more women are happy not having that. Which isn't contradictory to what I've said. It does however —- contradict your own point. If more women are happy about not having that, then clearly —-women aren't feeling more pressure about having kids. I’m going to try again - I have NOT said that women generally are under more time pressure than men. I HAVE said that women who want m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:49 AM
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That’s just not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 02:45 AM
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I have said that women who want marriage and kids would be under more time pressure. I did not say all women. Notably, more women are happy not having that. Most likely because women are acculturated to do all the things to manage a life on their own and men are not. The redpill community trains people to think that all people are not much more than products seeking sex market value. It’s not healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 02:43 AM
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I’m saying I disagree with your hypothesis. I find it very unlikely. I don’t think it’s based on a realistic understanding of what women experience. However, I have unfollowed this sub because after my one day of following I have learned that the majority of participants, or at least the most voluble, believe in fairly nonsensical theories of women and men and how they experience life and relationships and desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 02:25 AM
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“Your points [about the flaws in the studies] were flawed…[because] the studies disagree with you” makes no logical sense. You have not in any way addressed the flaws I raised. The article was based on and linked to several studies. And if you think a test is asking my opinion, then you don’t know how testing theories works at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 02:22 AM
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There is overwhelming evidence that culture impacts people’s views on almost everything, including appearance. To deny that is outside reason. I’ve pointed out the problems with the evidence that you have linked. And I did point out numerous studies. None of which you showed flaws in, though I showed flaws in all of the linked studies saying otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 01:56 AM
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I’m familiar with the idea. I think it’s countered by millennia right up to now of the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 01:53 AM
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I think the “by nature” part is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 01:37 AM
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Except society and the media haven’t done that, so it’s creating a false discrepancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 01:36 AM
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I feel like this red pill business is men talking each other into limiting their pool of what they consider to be attractive to the point that they’ve generated their own isolation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 01:35 AM
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It would be so cool if more men could understand that it’s not actually about buffness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 01:32 AM
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Again, I think that women who want to marry and have kids are statistically known to have more time pressure on them. Also I find it unlikely that there’s a big statistical gap between young single women who have sex and young single men who have sex. Is there data on this? I’d tend to guess the reverse about older women and men. Edit: there was indeed a study that showed a bigger decline in young men than young women having casual sex in 2020 during COVID, which is interesting. There was also a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 01:12 AM
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That’s just not true. The flaws with those studies are clear. You can cite as many studies as you like but if they persist the same flaws, they are still flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 01:05 AM
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I’m not trolling. I’m just a little bored of the 3-4 people making the same arguments and not even thinking about the obvious weaknesses. You are not a professional and there is nothing bad faith about noting weaknesses in studies. Perhaps you haven’t noticed, but there have been studies by scientists confirming those scientists’ biases throughout history, most of which eventually become overwritten by other scientists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:35 AM
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None of these - not one - addresses the problem of time and place. There are studies that show that these studies are wrong. Particularly that average is considered most attractive. sexual attraction is not a thing in babies. Also thinking photographs are appropriate tools for measure is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:32 AM
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Given that the average age of marriage for men is higher than for women, I don’t think this idea is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:27 AM
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I think because the standard of marriage in the cultures where those studies were done was built around women facilitating the lives of men, and the lingering effects from that are that girls/women are better taught how to manage life than boys/men, so they are more able to manage their own lives as single people than are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:24 AM
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You’ve lost any semblance of credibility with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:17 AM
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So you are actively asserting that human culture does not impact human minds (and calling that ‘science’). OK. This is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 09:59 PM
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The Wikipedia page has a very limited section titled “In Humans” in which it makes clear that there are no settled conclusions. Here’s an article with plenty of links to studies that counter yours based on the obvious but unfortunately common flaw (yes, including among scientists - the history of science is full of this error) of thinking that parochial observations are universal. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150622-the-myth-of-universal-beauty And that many of you think that babies look…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 09:41 PM
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Unless you link to the referenced studies, I will not discuss them. Yes. Non-human species, as I hope we all realize, are not as impacted by culture on their opinions. “This is a function in bird mating” is not a useful point in this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 09:26 PM
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Sorry. Your comment with the links has been removed so you’ll have to repost the citations. I can read them (again if you link them). You have not addressed the problems with them. Restating something without addressing the raised problems is not useful. And the quote from my citation that you posted shows the variation and cultural influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 09:14 PM
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You keep saying this though I have pointed out the flaws in it (which you still have not addressed). You even cited a study that says that it’s incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 09:08 PM
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You literally cited a study that said that it’s false that the average is what is attractive. None of the studies you cited supports that it’s universal at all. My point is that you are arguing something that is not supported by sound evidence. And ‘from their culture’ indicates that it is not universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 08:32 PM
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I didn’t read all that. What’s clear from your comments is that you don’t believe men and women can have useful and happy friendships (or possibly that you don’t believe any humans can have useful and happy friendships). Either way, that would reflect upon your inability to have healthy relationships (if the former, with women; if the latter, with any humans).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 08:15 PM
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Then you cited a study that disagreed with that conclusion. And note “that have averaged from their culture” emphasis added. Glad you are coming to see my point
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 06:35 PM
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I checked it. It does not make said assertion about humans. Lol. Imagine thinking you’re “educating me” when you didn’t read it yourself. Or if you did, you did so without intelligent thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 06:32 PM
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A Wikipedia page? Seriously? Cite studies that control for variation of time and place. Edit: lol. I looked at the Wikipedia page. The part about humans was like “yeah. Not really”.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 06:01 PM
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Got a citation that controls for variables?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 05:55 PM
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Making the claim that they are known is what requires proof. You have it backward. There is no proof of it because it is impossible to control for the variables.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 05:49 PM
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Sorry. There is no scientific evidence that shows these are fixed. I’m not “trying to sound smart” I just am smart enough to know that your studies don’t control for time and place.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 05:43 PM
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Literally if one considers someone to be attractive, they are attractive to that person. That is literally what ‘attractive’ means. The scientific method includes controlling for variables. Asking some people in one time and place does not control for the variables of time or place … The sentence is parsable. That you do not comprehend that both genders being attractive based on health (if that were so) does not contribute to the notion that one gender is inherently more attractive than the othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 05:41 PM
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All this tells me is that you do not have the capacity to think of women as humans which is probably where your trouble comes in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 05:21 PM
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Most people are stupid and do stupid things, that's a horrible approach for gauging what something actually is. Including those who try to convince themselves that opinions that are documented to change over time and place are actually unchanging because people in a specific time and place agreed with each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 05:16 PM
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“Considered to be attractive” is what attractiveness is. And you keep citing studies that show a select number of people from limited time, place, and culture agree on what attractiveness is. Humans who pretend to themselves that their culture does not impact their opinions crack me up. And, again, you’re health-as-attractiveness is not gender specific therefore off-topic, whether or not it is dimorphic (and there are almost no human physical traits beyond direct reproductive organs that are dim…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 05:05 PM
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You’ve cited twice a study of 14 men from one culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 04:59 PM
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This is completely unscientific nonsense. There is no data supporting the idea that attractiveness is based on uniform specific qualities across time, culture, and place.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 04:57 PM
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A study of 14 men from a single culture? And you’re citing it as an inherent biological trait?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 04:56 PM
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Ellen Barkin in her heyday? She made a career out of being asymmetrical.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 04:54 PM
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Human culture is quirky and one can show many instances in which indicators of poor health were widely considered attractive. Also, health-as-attractiveness would not be gender specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 04:52 PM
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