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Okay, and most violent offenders are men. That doesn't mean most men are violent. Let's maybe not treat others the way we don't want to be treated.
/r/MensRights30/01/25 11:42 PM
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most lesbians are toxic This seems like a very broad brush.
/r/MensRights30/01/25 12:18 PM
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I'm so sorry, losing someone that way is always incredibly painful. Not to invalidate your experience, but in my life, lesbians have generally been more understanding of and empathetic toward men than the average person is. I think many spaces are built around political identity and fall into these sort of gender-hating traps like what happened with the people harassing your friend. People who keep themselves separate from those toxic environments tend to be much more sane and less man-hatey.
/r/MensRights30/01/25 12:16 PM
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Avoiding female candidates based on gender because they might be less efficient is terrible policy. HR was right to call that one out as sexism. No one should be unwilling to hire someone due to their gender. What the tech leads should have done if they were truly interested in meritocracy, is evaluate all candidates' resumes, and interview and evaluate accordingly. Then you can go back to HR with the data if they object. "This candidate didn't have any relevant skills so they weren't interviewe…
/r/MensRights28/01/25 05:53 PM
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QUICK, name one country on Earth where FGM is allowed while MGM is banned, and where women are subject to being drafted while men have the right to choose whether they can serve.
/r/MensRights29/12/24 04:11 PM
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He's probably not a grown man to begin with. Something I noticed in the past when I was more chronically online is that when schools are out for vacation (summer + the holidays), the maturity of this sub craters hard. Immature edgelords show up like we're seeing in this thread, who are convinced that women literally can't have any problems and if they say they do they're lying.
/r/MensRights28/12/24 02:30 AM
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Yeah, it's not something to fear, it's something to embrace. If someone "tests" you this way, they're the problem, not you, and they've revealed very early on that they're a waste of space. I couldn't imagine going on a date, failing at adult maturity and basic communication, and then thinking the other person has failed a test.
/r/MensRights14/12/24 05:34 PM
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I'm pretty sure even my last friend group (which was something like ~50% trans people) would've said this is incredibly stupid. One job should have one set of requirements, period.
/r/MensRights12/12/24 04:34 PM
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The day-to-day minutia might be split regularly, but the most demanding tasks (such as carrying someone out of a burning building, or kicking open a door) will still fall to men - there will just be fewer of them to perform these tasks, meaning the burden will disproportionately affect the men who remain. If the lower set of requirements is sufficient to do everything the job requires, then that's fine and my comment is wrong, but there needs to be a single set of standards that accurately refle…
/r/MensRights12/12/24 04:32 PM
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I know you're asking OP, but I want to chime in that while many women do use men and disrespect them, I've also had experiences with plenty of women who are better than that. Some of the most wonderful and supportive people in my life have been women. I don't think we can establish a universal rule about women (or anyone) that they can/can't be friends with someone else. It's about ridding toxic people from our lives, whoever they may be, and cherishing relationships with the ones who seem since…
/r/MensRights05/12/24 05:38 PM
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And yet, the gender advocacy enacted by those men in power is squarely focused on women. We should focus less on the immutable characteristics of the top fraction of 1% of people, and more on how the 99% of people under them who have little-to-no say in the system are impacted. That doesn't mean diversity is a bad thing - it's not. We've had two major-party female candidates for president in the past decade. We currently have our first female (and simultaneously first mixed-race!) vice president…
/r/MensRights30/11/24 05:28 PM
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This sub has been anti-feminism forever, so if that's your criteria then I don't know what's changed recently. I will say that when I was chronically online, I noticed that this sub had an uptick in genuine hate during the summer. Probably edgy kids out of school for a few months. However, criticizing feminism ≠ hating women, and when I've called out the misogyny, I've usually been upvoted here while the other comment has been downvoted. If you're genuinely interested in understanding why so man…
/r/MensRights24/11/24 04:28 PM
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That mod is absolutely pathetic. The comment that got you banned wasn't even rude, let alone misogynistic. But that's par for the course on reddit these days. Acknowledge male humanity = misogyny.
/r/MensRights24/11/24 04:21 PM
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Yup. The way I describe it is: "Men, fuck off!" Men fuck off. "Why did men abandon us?!"
/r/MensRights10/11/24 03:25 PM
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Holy shit, that quote from Michelle Obama is bad, I've never heard that before. Obligatory thought exercise: substitute any other groups in for women/men (or hell, just swap them) and it's glaringly obvious how hateful it is.
/r/MensRights06/11/24 01:25 PM
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I've seen a lot of "this is men's fault" and "men suck" comments, but also a lot of "guys we're going to keep losing if we alienate men and call them every name in the book instead of helping them." There's a small chance they'll start some self-reflection, but at this point I'm not too optimistic. I'm just baffled at how they keep pushing men away, then expect men to stand in solidarity next to them.
/r/MensRights06/11/24 08:49 AM
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However, some felt 'disappointed' by what they felt was the star suggesting we 'change language to make men feel more comfortable'. Isn't that exactly what they've been asking us to do for women since we were born? Isn't that a huge part of why women constantly praise menslib? So sick of all the double standards.
/r/MensRights06/09/24 03:14 PM
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I feel the same. I (and a lot of the guys here) used to identify as feminists, but when we spoke up about our issues, we were mocked and dismissed. It's a movement that's increasing hostile towards men. It's frustrating because I'm pro-choice and of course I support equal rights for everyone, I just can't get behind a movement that actively works against equality for men. It's so frustrating.
/r/MensRights22/08/24 03:37 PM
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If this is a list for the USA (looks like it is), then you can add: Under the Affordable Care Act, insurers are required to cover counseling for domestic violence, only for women Male abuse victims are more likely than their female abusers to be arrested Male victims who reach out to hotlines and other resources are often dismissed or treated as abusers
/r/MensRights18/08/24 04:12 AM
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I have one and he wakes me up every morning with his goddamn quacking. I sure don't feel like a winner...
/r/MensRights18/08/24 04:08 AM
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No such thing as a useless human being! Life isn't about utility, it's about finding your own happiness. That can take some people years, or even decades, but it's possible! Just by being here you matter, and that's true regardless of whether there are currently other people in your life who see it. Hang in there, man. I know the feeling all too well, and it can be quite the journey to escape it, but you can do it.
/r/MensRights18/08/24 04:07 AM
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I never considered transitioning, but I was very briefly suicidal too. (Don't worry folks, this was over 10 years ago at this point.) I'm glad you're here. :) Dealing with shame that targets the core of our identity can be so painful to rip out, but it's better than letting the shame win.
/r/MensRights18/08/24 04:01 AM
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I resonated with so much of this comment. I used to carry around a ton of internalized shame. I thought basically every male aspect of me was bad, as if my presence was somehow harmful to women. What's ironic is that when I spent the first 20 years of my life in my self-loathing feminist phase, I was miserable and alone. Once I ditched the feminism and gained some self-respect, I started getting dates, one of which led to a wonderful three-year relationship. I went through a brief period of bitt…
/r/MensRights18/08/24 03:57 AM
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Overall I agree with you. However, I don't mind seeing those posts every once and a while, because: A lot of the struggles men face today come from a generation of boys having their sexuality demonized. That's an endemic issue to our culture, so while it isn't legal, it's absolutely an issue that deserves attention. There aren't many spaces where men can discuss these topics without getting beaten to a proverbial pulp. The comic of the pink blob who's punched back into her box and says "never ag…
/r/MensRights18/08/24 12:28 AM
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Reminds me of the AITAH post where the guy decided to leave his marriage without engaging in any sort of manipulative or controlling behavior, and there were lots of comments calling the act of walking away from the marriage abusive.
/r/MensRights18/08/24 12:15 AM
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Some of those rules are probably to prevent this sub from being banned. Reddit has always taken a particularly hard line on certain subreddits regarding those sorts of rules. I can't speak to whether it's justified in this case because obviously we don't see what the admins see, but that's usually the reason for sub policies like that.
/r/MensRights18/08/24 12:12 AM
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Every time someone posts about a woman doing obviously bad things, half the comments dismiss it as "incel fanfiction." Some people refuse to believe that there are some bad women out there.
/r/MensRights18/08/24 12:10 AM
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If it's so great, then surely men can read all about the benefits themselves and get it done with consent and general anesthesia, instead of forcing it on babies with limited pain relief, right?
/r/MensRights18/08/24 12:08 AM
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Just a heads up, most of the usernames are still visible. But yeah, the "wife beater" comment is par for the course in subs like that. I've been told I'm "pro-rape" (whatever the hell that means) more than once. Yayyyy, resentment-fueled tribal discourse. So productive.
/r/MensRights18/08/24 12:04 AM
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My favorite is when someone says that a stay-at-home parent should be compensated for things like cleaning. Like, okay, if I'm currently single, no kids, and I just dusted and swept, do I send a photo of my floor to the government? Are we all going to get checks mailed to us for routine upkeep?
/r/MensRights18/08/24 12:01 AM
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I can see how after just a month or two, it might feel like getting too heavy too quickly to tell her partner about the abortion. I don't think she was necessarily wrong for not telling him initially. Imo what would cause the most discomfort is finding out about this years later. I don't know when or how she should have brought it up, but if I found out about something like this years after the fact, it would feel like she'd been hiding something from me.
/r/MensRights16/08/24 01:29 PM
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And just like the clitoral hood, right? That's what girl-cutting countries say. Again, you're disagreeing with the medical majority on this. What do you know that doctors have missed?
/r/MensRights14/08/24 03:57 AM
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Cutting sensitive parts off of a helpless baby without medical necessity is never a good thing. There's a reason that the entire developed world outside of the U.S. says it's not medically justified.
/r/MensRights14/08/24 02:00 AM
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That's because male circumcision does not cause as much damage You should look up the different forms of FGM. The more prevalent forms are less severe than male circumcision by any metric. It shouldn't even be a contest for who has it worse. FGM and MGM both exist along overlapping spectrums. Shouldn't they all be illegal? Someone has to support the child plus cases like these are very rare and this mostly is not true Funny how the same side of the political spectrum that preaches magnanimity wi…
/r/MensRights14/08/24 01:56 AM
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What do you mean? I'm not sure why you're being downvoted but I also don't get what you're saying. What's the win here?
/r/MensRights14/08/24 01:47 AM
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I'll ask it this way: what right can men currently exercise if they are raped, even if underage, to withdraw from legal/financial parental responsibilities for a child conceived from him being raped? Hint: the answer is none. Male statutory rape victims have been compelled by courts to pay child support.
/r/MensRights14/08/24 01:44 AM
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I'm not aware of a single place on Earth that protects boys from MGM. The stuff about rape and DV are a bit more nuanced. In many countries, the laws specifically define rape as forced penetration, meaning outside of exceptional cases, only a man can be a rapist. This artificially deflates the number of rape victims, since in the USA (to use one example) "made to envelope," i.e. a woman raping a man, it tallied under a separate statistical bucket. This results in disproportionate programs and di…
/r/MensRights14/08/24 01:38 AM
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I left this comment in that thread yesterday: NTA after reading your responses. This sub has zero regard for the nuances of consent when men are the victims. I do think it's good that you are sitting down with your wife as a one-time thing to discuss things and clear the air, hopefully it will at least get you a bit of closure. You should also make sure you're mentally prepared to communicate with your wife in case of an emergency, and maybe also sit down with your sister, because from the outsi…
/r/MensRights12/08/24 06:39 PM
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Crazy cat men unite! Edit: or not 😿
/r/MensRights11/08/24 01:43 PM
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A coworker said that to me when I mentioned I was adopting a cat. She was like, "no one will date you." Uhhhh, I never asked.
/r/MensRights11/08/24 01:40 PM
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Yep. Literal Hamas apologetics in here. Good riddance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 06:51 PM
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I appreciate the mention, but I'm out too. If they'd really prefer Oct. 7th truthers to making Jews feel welcome in order to have an honest discussion, there's not even any discussion to be had. They can have their pro-Hamas circlejerk. I don't associate with people who excuse the worst attack on my ethnicity in 80 years.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 06:49 PM
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And they're considered the more moral and civilized, lol I think the whole "moral and civilized" bit refers to what they were rioting over (that the IDF soldiers were detained while the process of law was carried out), not to the ultranationalists who support it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 07:40 AM
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Sde Teiman Doctor Who Saw Abused Gazan Detainee: 'I Couldn't Believe an Israeli Prison Guard Could Do Such a Thing' In the same way that way we should have empathy for all innocents caught in the crossfire, we have to acknowledge that there can be evil anywhere. There's simply no excusing what happened here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 07:37 AM
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So right off the bat, they seem to accept the absurd notion that every Palestinian killed is an innocent civilian, which indicates not just horrible data analysis, but blind faith in a terrorist organization which has already been caught falsifying numbers during this war. As lots of people had been predicting for months, the estimate of women and children killed has since been reduced. The authors also gloss over the attack on the aid convoy, saying only that Israel "deliberately" targeted it, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 07:09 AM
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Yep, I saw another comment in this sub earlier today from an Oct. 7th truther who said that Hamas - whose stated goal has always been the extermination of the Jewish people - was in part a "legitimate resistance group." Upvotes. If the audience of this subreddit in any way sees Hamas as legitimate, then I guess it's just the other side of the coin to what we've seen from feminism: victims matter, unless they're Jews.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 06:30 AM
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Hamas mentions Jews all the time. Specifically, how they want to exterminate them. Saying that Hamas is a legitimate resistance group (as you did above) is quintessential antisemitism. If you wouldn't try to turn accusations of racism around on a POC, or accusations of misogyny around on a woman, then don't do the same by trying to "no u" antisemitism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 07:50 PM
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You know, I started replying to your comment directly, and I suspect you would've happily accepted most of my response, but...boy it sure would be nice, when someone says that Hamas is anywhere on the spectrum of legitimate, for that person to take responsibility for their words instead of trying to turn it around on someone else. This didn't start as a debate. This started with you postulating that Hamas is "genocidal maniacs or a legitimate resistance group (probably both and somewhere inbetwe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 07:47 PM
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It was the same before/after Ukraine started drafting its men. Before Russia invaded: "what are you complaining about, you aren't going to be drafted!" After Ukraine invaded: "I cannot believe men are trying to co-opt the war for their own narrative!" There are a large number of people who will always find reasons to object to humanizing men. For what it's worth, there are people on both sides of the argument using the "women and children" line. I've seen people condemn Hamas by saying "they inv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 04:34 PM
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probably both and somewhere inbetween I really hope that in a subreddit as tolerant as this, that we can muster up the courage to categorically condemn the organization that wants to exterminate Jews worldwide, has said they want to repeat October 7th again and again, and has said that the welfare of their own citizens is not their problem (as evidenced by them hoarding aid and executing civilians who try to steal it). Even they don't act like they're freedom fighters. If this sub is willing to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 04:30 PM
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Too many ppl here seem to have the same mentality of rad libfems - the myopic, immature, "fuck you anyway its about me" mentality. Well, yeah...because many of us spent our entire lives marching alongside them and waiting for them to reciprocate, only to be told we don't matter. The message a lot of men have received is that empathy doesn't work. When that's the hand you're dealt, how else are you going to advocate for yourself aside from playing hardball? Like I said, I don't think I personally…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 12:59 AM
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While I don't subscribe to that guy's scorched-earth thinking, I get what he's saying, and I don't think we'd be so quick to demonize people from other groups who expressed that sentiment. Imagine that nobody could vote, and a law was proposed granting the right to vote...but only for white citizens. Black voters would justifiably be like "hell no, we're not supporting that, we matter too." Would you really buy the counter-argument from white people that by refusing to support the bill, black pe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/24 06:29 PM
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Really hard to do without knowing you. Different people develop different coping strategies when leaving dysfunctional families. Some people get overly attached to others, while some have a protective instinct and keep their distance. This is really only something a therapist can help you to figure out.
/r/MenSupportMen29/07/24 06:05 PM
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Hey, I had an unhealthy relationship with my father as well. From a young age, I made a conscious effort to not be toxic like him...which for a kid, is actually a toxic mindset and results in massive overcorrection. You say you don't feel like a nice guy. What if you are, and you're just incredibly hard on yourself because of the script that your father taught you to repeat about yourself? (This is exactly the kind of stuff that therapy is for, btw.)
/r/MenSupportMen29/07/24 03:45 PM
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a fighting chance Even taking the studies at face value (and there's a reason most medical organizations don't), the supposed benefit is so marginal that it's almost negligible. "A fighting chance" is massive hyperbole.
/r/MensRights28/07/24 09:47 AM
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If wanting basic human rights raises eyebrows now...
/r/MensRights28/07/24 09:45 AM
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Have you tried telling your husband that your son can choose for himself when he's old enough to decide? Also, how in the world would he be mislabeled as Jewish? Is your son gonna be walking around as an adult completely naked? And even if one of his partners was confused by it (which is unlikely in America), wouldn't it be easily cleared up? The "being mistaken for a Jew" thing is odd.
/r/MensRights28/07/24 09:41 AM
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First of all, I don't mean this in a demeaning way, but you're 15 years old. It's good to be aware of issues that different groups face, but don't feel obligated to bury yourself in it. Trust me, once you're on your own working a job, and get home exhausted at the end of the day with just a few hours before bed, you'll have plentyyyyy of time to browse reddit. It is very sweet that you want to help, though, I want to acknowledge that. Why don't you feel welcome? Do you feel like this sub doesn't…
/r/MensRights26/07/24 07:44 PM
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I don't know where you grew up, but I've seen male sexuality shamed and minimized for pretty much my entire life. Lots of guys I knew, myself included, felt guilty for even having basic feelings of attraction towards women. We believed normal sexual thoughts were tantamount to sexualization. It's where the whole "nice guy" phenomenon comes from. You know all those weirdos who are like "I'm not like those Chad assholes, I'm not interested in sex"? Where do people think that mentality came from? I…
/r/MensRights26/07/24 03:00 PM
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Lmao, you're actually saying that women are entitled to enjoy inequalities that favor them. That's absurd. My annoyance is the systemic misogyny and misandry, and the inequalities that result from them. No idea why you're so fixated on privilege or why anything I said is problematic. Society favors men in some regards and women in some regards. When it comes to discussion of gendered rights, despite the fact that men have fewer rights than women, people categorically dismiss men, our feelings, a…
/r/MensRights24/07/24 03:58 PM
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Your whole point of view is absurd, so the mention of surgery seemed right at home. Not sure what I'm too "full" of, but you might want to reexamine the ridiculous preconceived notions of psychology that you seem full of. Have a good day.
/r/MensRights24/07/24 03:54 PM
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So, maybe trepanation works If you're saying this with a straight face than this isn't a serious conversation. There are standards in psychology, absolutely. But when you're talking about personal problems and private issues, you also need someone who fits you. Seems like you're just harping on this shopping around thing as if psychology is a rote science. Regardless, suggesting that psychologists should recommend trepanation of all things shows that you haven't thought about this too hard and y…
/r/MensRights24/07/24 01:52 PM
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But comparing someone who wants ur money to women who are physically or sexually abused is crazy to me You are definitely smart enough to understand that I was not saying the two are equal. You should also be smart enough to know that financial abuse is a thing. Toxicity and materialism both can show up early in a relationship, but it can also show up later, or people can miss the signs, because nobody's perfect. At this point you're just victim blaming.
/r/MensRights24/07/24 01:48 PM
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Yes really. Women's groups in multiple countries banded together to prevent male rape from being protected under law. They torpedoed popular, bipartisan legislation that would have introduced family court reform, they block men's unions from being established on campuses, push the Duluth model, etc. We're upset about the ways that society maintains the privileges that women enjoy over men. That sort of dialogue is needed to propose solutions - never mind that men should be allowed to express the…
/r/MensRights24/07/24 01:46 PM
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No, you have to shop around due to it being a soft science. Given the conversations that psychologists have with their patients, a good match is important. You're holding psychology up to the same standard as something purely data-driven when that's simply not what it is. There are studies in psychology that drive it forward (e.g. "over a large sample size, this or that technique resulted in a better outcome"), but application of those techniques will never be a rote, hard science of blood level…
/r/MensRights24/07/24 01:41 PM
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This is one of the biggest ironies of it all. The whole "nice guy" mentality that everyone hates was enstilled in boys by drowning them in the messaging that women are special merely for being women, and that women are tired of sexual men. It's a direct consequence of decades of feminist messaging.
/r/MensRights24/07/24 01:29 PM
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Isn't that exactly the sort of thing that social safety nets are supposed to be for? If a single parent cannot make ends meet, then that seems like a perfectly fine use of tax dollars to me.
/r/MensRights24/07/24 01:26 PM
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Being federally protected versus at the whim of each state is indeed a big deal. Imagine if men had federal protection from something like MGM, and then a ruling handed off that protection to individual states. We'd be furious, right? That's how many women felt about RvW being struck down. It's incredibly far from a "legislative nothing."
/r/MensRights24/07/24 01:25 PM
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"If women don't want to be abused, they shouldn't get with a man who will abuse them." See how ridiculous that sounds?
/r/MensRights24/07/24 01:22 PM
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We've been told our entire lives that men's issues don't matter because women have it worse than men. Women's groups have fought against and successfully opposed men's initiatives across the globe. We're not the ones who framed this as a competition, and we're perfectly justified in calling out all the hypocrisy. We literally just want equal rights. Why do people keep fighting us on this?
/r/MensRights24/07/24 01:19 PM
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First thing I thought of. Governments will come after men's assets no matter what.
/r/MensRights24/07/24 01:15 PM
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In psychology that's monday, tuesday, thursday and friday. Right. But you said it yourself, it's about competence. A good therapist won't misdiagnose and mistreat. By definition, that's a bad therapist. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say in the latter two paragraphs. Psychologists are supposed to have degrees, same as MDs, but a degree doesn't guarantee a good practitioner, and I don't think anybody is under the illusion that psychology is anything beyond a soft science. That doesn't me…
/r/MensRights24/07/24 01:07 PM
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You might not find my comment helpful since it doesn't directly answer your question, but I'm copy-pasting a response I gave to someone who came in here accusing people of "just wanting to hate men, not propose solutions." It's got something for pretty much everyone. Eliminate alimony. Replace it with support networks and vocational training for exes who were out of work for an extended period during the relationship. Equal obligations regarding conscription and selective service. Family court r…
/r/MensRights23/07/24 11:56 PM
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Can you elaborate? It always sounded silly to me - I'd rather troubleshoot my issues and work on solutions than pay to ride a horse. Is there something about that's calming for you, or is there something else about it that you found helpful?
/r/MensRights23/07/24 11:44 PM
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Therapy works great for that, and the fact you have to shop around and try out therapy mostly shows it’s a religious cult and not scientific at all. Huh? You have to shop around for physicians too, that doesn't mean medicine is a fraud. There are good and bad practitioners in every discipline. Therapy isn't just about empathy. A good therapist is about figuring out what mental impediments are preventing you from whatever goals you have, and then working the problem with you. I also strongly, str…
/r/MensRights23/07/24 11:41 PM
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Is it wrong for me to apologize for my gender working with female clients having relationship problems? Jesus Christ yes it is. Not only is it idiotic and unprofessional, it's completely inappropriate. Never mind that he lets his clients' partners off the hook due to gender. Any woman with half a brain would hear that and think "not only is this entirely unhelpful, but is he actually trying to 'nice guy' himself to me?" I've been incredibly lucky with the therapists I've had and I'm happy to sin…
/r/MensRights23/07/24 11:35 PM
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That's actually not that bad for individual therapy, depending where you live.
/r/MensRights23/07/24 11:26 PM
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It seems like you're focused more on pushing universal healthcare than addressing what I'm saying: universal healthcare not a panacea for equal treatment of men, any more than any other legislation has been which ignores the 14th Amendment. They will still carve out gendered exceptions in law, just as has happened throughout history. There is nothing about universal healthcare that is unique in this regard.
/r/MensRights23/07/24 09:35 PM
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We already had the Affordable Care Act in the USA, which granted certain entitlements to women which should have been gender-neutral. It doesn't matter how palatable or "obvious" a policy sounds on its surface, people will find a way to exclude men from its protections. We see it already in how we deal with genital integrity, rape, domestic violence, and of course with healthcare. I'm not even weighing in on universe healthcare one way or another, I'm just saying that I don't see why this one pa…
/r/MensRights23/07/24 08:00 PM
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Some of those spaces are radicalizing men. Things are definitely going to get worse before/if they get better. Aside: this is why I hate the "manosphere" label. There are productive men's spaces and destructive men's spaces, but it sure is easy for the SPLC to lump everyone together when you create a ridiculous catch-all term, throw all men's groups into it, then define it by its worst members.
/r/MensRights22/07/24 05:20 PM
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It can be hit or miss. This sub gets noticably worse over the summer - I assume because kids are out of school and spending more time online. I've left comments like yours in the past and they're usually better-received. One of my top comments of all time is a comment in this sub celebrating the women in my life.
/r/MensRights22/07/24 05:01 PM
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It just seemed like a super fair, uncontroversial comment that acknowledged good people and bad people. Also, you were agreeing with the OP. I just found it weird you were heavily downvoted for that.
/r/MensRights22/07/24 12:08 AM
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I might not have been clear, but I will never vote for Trump either.
/r/MensRights21/07/24 05:29 PM
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Did people really think that either party was actually concerned about them as individuals? Both parties have spent the past few decades doing exactly what they accuse the other party of doing. "We're the party of small government, now here's a ton of massive overreach," and "we're the party for the little guy, but look at all these backdoor deals and insider trading." I'm not trying to "same sides" this, I know that depending on someone's values they'll say that one party is much worse than the…
/r/MensRights21/07/24 05:25 PM
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Almost anyone but Trump. I would never vote for Biden (Dear Colleague) or Hillary ("women are the primary victims of war") either. Just about anyone else (Harris, Whitmer, Kelly) I'd be willing to at least hold my nose and vote for.
/r/MensRights21/07/24 05:22 PM
2

Some of us work office jobs and we just get stinky.
/r/MensRights21/07/24 05:17 PM
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having picked their nose in the last year Is there a single human being on Earth who goes a full 12 MONTHS without picking their nose? Like, a day or a week, okay, but a whole year?!
/r/MensRights21/07/24 05:16 PM
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Nah youre 100% right, some of this is just biology. I think the average guy naturally generates more BO too. I've known some women who shower every other day, and I would never have guessed if they didn't mention it. With most guys (at least the ones I've known, myself included), your nose will tell you pretty quickly if they've skipped a shower.
/r/MensRights21/07/24 05:12 PM
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I won't deny that women's rights are backsliding here (and of course that's a bad thing), but women still have more rights, more social initiatives, and better outcomes than men in virtually every aspect of modern life.
/r/MensRights21/07/24 04:30 PM
3

This is one of the most vanilla comments that I've ever seen downvoted.
/r/MensRights21/07/24 04:28 PM
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They've even called menslib a hate sub. Literally any male space is de facto hateful to some people.
/r/MensRights21/07/24 04:26 PM
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I've been REALLY lucky with every therapist I've had - like, insanely lucky, they were all wonderful and helped me immensely. If it weren't for them, I wouldn't be alive, let alone living my best life. That said, there's clearly a problem endemic to the field of psychology when so many men report negative outcomes. It seems like the problem is exacerbated by the modern notion that the way to solve men's issues isn't to try to understand men, it's to reshape them.
/r/MensRights18/07/24 03:53 PM
2

I haven't engaged with TERFs much when discussing trans rights, but every TERF space I've seen on the internet has been a toxic trans- and man-hating hellhole. Hate begets hate, I guess. That said, the main reason I started spending more time in this sub is precisely because of the unwavering position this group takes on respecting trans people, compared to the main MR sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/24 02:37 AM
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He was, but the mods took their inappropriate actions before anyone realized he was lying. They just wanted to shut down conversations regarding the male experience. So much for "believe victims."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/24 06:01 PM
1

Yep, this feels very familiar. Ten years ago, I actually set up an appointment with my physician once mostly because I was deeply depressed and just needed to talk to someone. (I eventually found a proper therapist, which helped a lot.)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/24 01:22 PM
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I've experienced both situations as well and don't consider my experience of coercion to be rape, but how we judge our individual experiences doesn't change that rape can be coercive, without the victim being physically forced.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/24 07:11 AM
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You don't need to accuse rape victims of lying to be able to say that men are raped far more than is reflected in the stats. It's not about accusing rape victims of lying, it's about calling out agenda-driven statisticians who engineer conclusions which overcount female victims and undercount male victims. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2235658/no-1-in-5-women-have-not-been-raped-on-college-campuses/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/24 05:19 AM
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the majority of rape perpetuated against women was instances where they went along with it because they were worried about disappointing someone. I don't think we can throw this out wholesale. Some of this could be merely not wanting to let someone down, but it could also cover situations where coercion was a factor.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/24 05:13 AM
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When I'm seriously struggling, my therapist. I know a lot of guys have had horrible experiences with therapy, but I got very lucky and found a down-to-Earth, level-headed therapist who's helped me change my life. Beyond that...I mostly lean on one particular friend and on my pets for emotional support (although I just lost one recently so that's been really raw lately). Every time I've reached out to my parents in the past 15 years, I've regretted it, so I don't do that anymore.
/r/MensRights15/07/24 06:05 PM
1

There are level-headed therapists out there, they're just very rare. The field of psychology really needs to look inward and fix itself, instead of trying to fix men.
/r/MensRights15/07/24 06:01 PM
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Wow, yeah, that's bad. Thanks for the link.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/24 07:43 PM
14

Were they inconsistenties like him saying "I'm a 17-year-old girl" in one post and "I'm a 40-year-old man" in another, or was it small inconsistencies in the details of his life? Because I deliberately do that sometimes - I'll say I lived in one place versus another, say I have only cats or only dogs, fudge my age up or down by a few years, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/24 07:40 PM
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This is just heartbreaking. And as usual, just to head off any accusations, I'll reiterate that being against this practice does not equate to supporting Russia in the conflict. I just don't support men, based on their gender, being forced at gunpoint to go fight and die in a war they didn't start. Crazy, right?
/r/MensRights13/07/24 04:10 PM
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The fundamental issue is that she did not respond to the criticisms of Talk by saying, "sorry guys, I didn't realize," she doubled down, accusing even the reasonable replies of being misogynists. At one point, she even told someone "maybe don't tell women what they do/don't experience?"...while literally doing exactly that towards men. She then lumped genuine death threats and acknowledgement of male rape victims together as vile hate speech. I commented just a few days ago that I don't think sh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/24 03:53 PM
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Weren't the changes made during the Trump administration undone recently? I thought I'd read that the Biden administration walked back those changes and doubled down on the lack of due process.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/24 10:54 AM
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I feel like I'm over all this comics drama. I wanted to give the artist the benefit of the doubt since I do think she gets a massive amount of unwarranted hate online, but her complete refusal take responsibility for wholesale invalidation of men's lived experiences means that the needle isn't going to budge. She's gonna keep making comics telling men their problems aren't real, and men expressing their hurt over it - even appropriately - are going to be silenced. I'm just gonna tuck this in the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 10:30 AM
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For a while, the "manosphere" (I never liked that term, it lumps way too many groups together) was basically the only place where men received validation and support at all. I remember explaining to one dude how the alt-right wasn't the solution to his problems, but he'd been seduced because they were the only ones offering a semblance of a support system, instead of instilling deep-seated shaming in him simply for being male. It's lip service of course and that's how they recruit young vulnerab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 10:18 AM
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I suspect it was just a poorly phrased sentence, since throughout the rest of the article he mentions that men feel lost in their general lives. I think the word "online" refers to where they look for help, not where the challenges lie, i.e.: A relatively common radicalization pathway stems from men and boys seeking advice and help online for the psychosocial challenges they face.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 10:11 AM
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I get why you posted this, but honestly that's just really tragic.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 04:02 AM
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It might get into pedantry, but that's absolutely not a hill to die on. Either way, it's wishing death upon someone and it's not okay.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 06:32 PM
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Until someone pivots the conversation away from examples and towards collaborating I don't know how many times myself and others can repeat ourselves. When men try to collaborate, we get shut down. When men try to operate on their own, without harming or affecting women's rights in any way, we are still shut down. You frame this as a case of people needing to meet in the middle. That's not possible here. One group is actively working against the advocacy of the other. I don't know how men can po…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 06:30 PM
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There's nothing wrong with pizzacake being against bad men, or ATT being against bad women. The problem with pizzacake's comic was that its premise was "men don't go through this." She then followed up with a post of "hateful" comments she was getting, where one of them was literally just pointing out that men get raped too. Pizzacake explicitly invalidated (and doubled down multiple times) male survivors. ATT did not. That is the difference, and it's something that 100% needs to be called out. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 03:28 PM
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Darn, it looks like he wiped his profile just as I was going to reply to him here. For what it's worth now, ATT (not sure you'll even see this), I'm really sorry that happened to you and I think the way you're being treated over this is disgusting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 03:08 PM
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Yes to all of the above. For #2, in a perfect world there'd be no draft, but since realistically conscription will never be abolished, it should at least be blind to gender. #4 is a bit trickier, but if reduced to a yes/no then my answer is yes, just because a "no" implies a complete absence of social safety nets. Governments really need to get their shit together, though. (They won't, but they should...)
/r/MensRights07/07/24 11:10 PM
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It's really simple (at least for me): I support values that actually align with left-wing ideology, such as LGBT and abortion rights, while rejecting the anti-male hate/apathy that has been flowing through modern left-wing movements. There's nothing in the core ideology of liberalism that says "men bad" - it's comtemporary politics that has manifested that division to divide and conquer. I don't see left/right as inherently having anything to do with treating people well in my day-to-day life, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/24 10:52 PM
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Simple counter question to someone dumb enough to try this. “Why does the guys race matter?” They really hate confronting the fact that they're engaging in race realism, just swapped out for gender, huh.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 04:22 AM
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I've been seeing the whole "women and children" thing over and over in this whole conflict, from both sides. "Hamas are evil - they killed women and children!" "How can you not say Israel is committing genocide, they're bombing women and children!" It's disheartening how most people intrinsically value men's lives less than everyone else's.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/24 11:49 AM
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What rights do men have that women lack? In what ways does the average man today have an upper hand over women? Men can be conscripted to die wihle you sit back and go "well, a man started this war, so maybe all those men buried Arlington Cemetery should check their privilege." Men don't have their genital integrity protected anywhere on Earth. For women, even a pinprick that doesn't alter the body at all is a federal crime throughout the west. The average man is more likely to be poor and desti…
/r/MensRights05/04/24 05:50 PM
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Men start wars so men should be fighting in them. I'm always grateful when people like you are honest about your bigotry.
/r/MensRights05/04/24 05:30 PM
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I've seen the exact same thing in the corporate world, but with hiring instead of layoffs. If the budget was tight, then making the "diversity hire" argument to HR was the trump card for hiring someone. Never mind that on my team, for most of my time there I was the only white dude. Our 20-person team was almost equally split by gender and was almost entirely minorities. And just in case the trolls try to say I have a problem with the diversity - I inherently don't. Working with people from such…
/r/MensRights27/03/24 10:37 AM
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Nope, I didn't see the point. Any rebuttal would've almost certainly been immediately removed and had me banned. It's one of the most heavily moderate subreddits on the site.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 10:52 PM
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Yeah, it was awful. The thread was a while ago, and I didn't save anything from it. Wish I'd at least taken a screenshot or something - it was a very mask-off moment for the sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 10:49 PM
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I've noticed a very strong pattern of response when men bring this up: resentment. It's like people know that there are barely any resources for men and it's not something they can outright deny, so they just get angry at male abuse victims. The number of separate times I've seen someone respond with "then build a men's shelter and stop complaining" is astonishing. Ironically, that sort of hateful dismissal is also a sign of massive privilege, because men don't have society's wind in their sails…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 03:24 PM
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In my experience, this is the big one. There was an upvoted comment thread in TwoX where the women there were circlejerking about how they automatically assume that when a man says a woman abused him, he's lying and he's actually the abuser. It was right there in plain sight. How are we ever going to be able to bridge the gap in these stupid gender wars if, after having our abusers gaslight us in our childhoods about everything being our fault, we get the same message as adults that we're men so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 03:21 PM
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I think it's all about the tone and motive of the conversation. I have zero issue discussing that the majority of violent (i.e. severe physical) crime is committed by men. It's just a fact. But the moment people start to talk about how it's reasonable to live in fear of all men just by virtue of them being male, the same alarm bells start going off for me as when I see race realists who are "just discussing statistics." Unfortunately, I've seen posts with this type of discussion hitting the fron…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/24 03:51 PM
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Very well said.
/r/MensRights20/03/24 05:06 AM
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Ah, collective guilt. Surely not a sign of bigotry, right?
/r/MensRights20/03/24 04:58 AM
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Everyone's ragging on this woman, but does anyone else think it's good that someone is at least asking these questions? Most people don't seem to give a shit about why men are checking out. They just want to shame men into playing their male role. At least this woman seems to be wondering what men are seeking escape from.
/r/MensRights20/03/24 04:57 AM
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Last LTR I was in, I broke down once when I was dealing with my abusive family over the phone. My girlfriend was super supportive and never held/used it against me or any of that stuff. I also had a female friend who caught me crying once or twice when my depression was at its worst and she was supportive. Of course I also had an abusive ex who used everything against me, tears included. I think my experiences are more of a mixed bag than a lot of guys here, but I've had multiple women in my lif…
/r/MensRights20/03/24 04:33 AM
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"tHiS iS aCtUaLlY mIsOgYnY."
/r/MensRights20/03/24 04:17 AM
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A great filter is woman who are willing to split the bill on the first date. My last LTR was with a woman who was happy to split the bill for the first month of dating (and after that we were a couple so we just used common sense). Women who act entitled to a man's money are as much of a red flag as men who act entitled to a woman's body. There are egalitarian women out there, you just gotta be willing to sift through the riffraff to find them. Once you do, it'll feel less like jumping through h…
/r/MensRights18/03/24 03:43 PM
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Even North Korea gives medical care to imprisoned foreign nationals. Body bags make terrible bargaining chips. Meanwhile, the Russian state is torturing POWs and engaging in human trafficking, selling POWs on the black market. Ukrainian instances of POW mistreatment (which by and large are significantly less severe than what's happening in Russia) have been met by Ukraine with condemnation and criminal investigations. Then there's how Russia treats its draft dodgers, which is also far worse than…
/r/MensRights10/03/24 07:25 PM
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Ukraine need all the soldiers they can get So then why draft only men? You're supporting discrimination without even making a coherent point for it. there are plenty of women fighting for Ukraine Were they drafted? Were they dragged from a bus, beaten, and dragged to the frontlines under penalty of imprisonment? one problem is women tend to hold their pee in longer than guys You can't possibly be serious. We're discussing what is probably the oldest, most brutal, most deadly form of anti-male di…
/r/MensRights10/03/24 02:04 PM
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Russia is far, far worse. We should be condemning Ukraine's treatment of its men without defaulting to siding with Russia in the overall conflict.
/r/MensRights10/03/24 01:58 PM
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"Yeah, but those wars are started by MEN!!!" is the dumbest rebuttal ever. The gender of that country's leader makes no damn difference to the 99% of men who have fought and died on those battlefields. It's just normalized bigotry. Apparently male victims matter less to some people when the perpetrators also happen to be men.
/r/MensRights09/03/24 01:25 AM
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It's so disgusting how people don't care about this. It compounds the violation of the practice itself. Sometimes I hate this planet.
/r/MensRights29/02/24 03:36 AM
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jew priest Just fyi, they're called rabbis.
/r/MensRights29/02/24 03:35 AM
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A lot of families do, I think. I grew up Jewish and circumcision jokes were fairly common. It's a way to normalize something horrible. Looking back on it, a parent joking with their child (of any age) about violating his autonomy in such a private, personal way is incredibly messed up, but when you're young, you accept the family you're given as normal.
/r/MensRights29/02/24 03:31 AM
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Mods there are constantly pushing their agenda and scrubbing things they don't like. Doesn't surprise me at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 04:59 PM
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I support a woman's right to choose, LGBT+ rights, careful dialogue around sensitive topics such as gender identity, and generally I'm just socially progressive. The main MR sub is more of a mix. What ultimately pushed me to this sub was the transphobia in MR, which wasn't frequent but was rarely condemned when it appeared. There was also a lot of AWALT statements, which I'd speak up about. Following the ban of the MGTOW subs, I went from getting a lot of support in those comments to getting a l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 05:41 PM
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I never even saw anyone associate them with men's rights, unless they were disingenuously lumping the entire "manosphere" together. You're dead-on in your comment though. It encourages blatant misogyny and emotional abuse, constantly refers to women as children, and has an enormous amount of demeaning language toward people of all genders. They want women to be afraid in relationships so they'll try harder. Who in their right mind can claim to care about someone and want that? I mean, I'm sure t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 03:57 PM
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If you're consenting to being "raped" by someone, it isn't rape. It's that simple. Rape is someone having sex with you without your consent. And if you're ever in such a vulnerable state and you discover that someone is willing to completely steamroll your personal boundaries to get what she wants, I have a feeling you'll immediately understand what a terrifying experience it is.
/r/MensRights04/02/24 05:47 PM
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Sure, it doesn't exist...aside from genital integrity, healthcare coverage, homelessness and resources for the homeless, DV and the resources for DV victims, the erasure of male victims of rape and false accusations, discriminatory programs despite boys falling behind in many areas, family court bias, conscription, entire international programs dedicated to women's welfare...I'm probably missing something. Why are you even here if you aren't willing to acknowledge the rights and privileges that …
/r/MensRights30/01/24 05:14 PM
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I want to hug that judge so hard for the way she dressed down that entitled brat of a mother. What a champ. Although as someone else said, you can tell that the mom has the narcissist's eye-glaze when she's being scolded. That poor man. Fathers really are screwed either way in situations like this. If they want the kid, they have to fight for time just to be present in the kid's childhood. If they want nothing to do with the kid, they're probably still on the hook financially years.
/r/MensRights28/01/24 04:26 PM
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The majority of established help/support subs are moderated by radfems who find it perfectly acceptable to shame and shit on men as a gender. They don't care, even when blatantly sexism like "all men wish they could rape" is written. Then they tell us that we should talk about our feelings. Yeah, we try, then get told we're categorically predators and abusers.
/r/MensRights03/01/24 04:56 AM
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I'm circumcised and I hate it. It's so violating to think that as a baby, I was held down by the people I trusted to keep me safe, and I had one of the most sensitive parts of my body basically flayed for no good reason. It's fine that you're undecided, because it's not a decision you need to make in the first place. It's his body and it should be his choice.
/r/MensRights11/11/23 04:34 PM
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I don't think you're being hyperbolic at all. To respond to each of your bullet points: Yes, and furthermore, what they're doing is reducing all men (and only men) to the worst of the gender. Imagine if a guy said to them, "men are afraid women will destroy their lives with false accusations; women are afraid men won't do the dishes." See how ridiculous and reductive that sounds? I saw a comment once (upvoted, of course) that said women don't need to care about men's issues because "it's not the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/23 05:29 PM
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Might want to remove the head mod's name from your post. But yeah, the moment anyone there makes a coherent point that the head mod doesn't like, she appears just to be snippy and irritable with them, with no comment on the topic of discussion. It's almost comical how predictable her behavior is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/23 05:07 PM
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It's super hit-or-miss in my experience. It gets really bad during the summer, probably because that's when the edgy kids are out of school and lapping up the legitimate posts just to shit on women. It's better the rest of the year. Most of the comments I've made standing up to misogyny have been upvoted, but it really does seem calendar-dependent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/23 11:33 AM
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I'm going to be totally honest, I read his reply, and as someone who was in your exact position ten years ago, I think his mindset is coming from a particular perspective, not an absolute truth. Pets and therapy were instrumental toward me getting back on my feet, and eventually finding hobbies I genuinely enjoyed and meeting/dating women. Pets aren't a replacement for people, and a lot of therapists are complete shit to men, but I wouldn't write them off completely either. Are you trying things…
/r/MensRights24/10/23 06:28 PM
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Animals don't genuinely respond. Sorry man. That's humans imprinting human intentions onto non-human creatures. We could very easily do the reverse though and imprint purely biological intentions onto humans. "Kindness and love isn't sincere, it's just a biological imperative to promote safety/reproduction/whatever." Humans, cats, and dogs are all mammals, and there's no reason to categorically reject the notion that pets feel genuine comfort when with us. Pets don't replace people, but they are…
/r/MensRights24/10/23 06:21 PM
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Absolutely it can. I used to be full of self-loathing for being a man. I literally thought just existing was somehow oppressive towards women. People don't realize (and don't care) what kind of anti-male sexism they're instilling in their kids.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/23 04:27 PM
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I agree that the "lies" talk is a step too far. It's not like women as a gender are conspiring to give men shit advice. However, I can relate heavily to OP. Since I can remember, society hammered into me the message that women don't care about looks, you just need to be nice and respectful, etc. When kids have something that like drilled into them throughout their entire childhood, they grow up into adults who believe it. As a massive aside...how do more people see that this isn't exactly where …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/23 02:16 AM
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I thought you were paraphrasing, but wow, that's a verbatim quote from someone in the article.
/r/MensRights13/10/23 11:07 PM
4

No, but my pets are snuggle bugs!
/r/MenSupportMen12/10/23 10:37 PM
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I saw this comment recently: Executing women and children and taking child prisoners makes them evil. As if executing men isn't just as evil.
/r/MensRights11/10/23 08:30 PM
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I worked in tech for a decade and this definitely happens. There are financial incentives for managers to pick up "diversity hires" (including women/POCs), and in general people were very quick to highlight women's achievements compared to men's. I once participated in a hiring fair with a female coworker, and we both interviewed the same number of people and even collaborated on half of the candidates, and she was acknowledged by managers and given a rewards cash bonus. I was not. One example d…
/r/MensRights04/10/23 06:38 PM
1

"A woman's greatest fear is that she won't be asked out. A man's greatest fear is losing his job, family, and friends to a false accusation." My response. Just as reductive and ridiculous.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/23 03:04 PM
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then their need for safety is more important than me not getting my dick wet Is anyone suggesting otherwise? We don't have the same problems Wait till you find out how those statistics are tracked. if yours is just rejection Yeah, because sexual assault and abuse doesn't happen to men. /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/23 02:57 PM
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I wouldn't even classify Andrew Tate as an advocate of any kind. He's just a faux-masculine misogyny/rage grifter. Nothing I've heard about him has to do with advocacy for men on any level. instead of just discussing the issue he goes straight to the misogyny This happens all the time. They're either misogynists or inarticulate goobers. That's what happens when you spend a generation telling boys that caring about men's issues is crypto-misogyny. Actual conscientious people are scared away, and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 09:39 PM
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This is one of the most frustrating double standards for me. When women are bigots, men need to empathize and understand why she's being hateful. When men are bigots, they should be shot into the sun and "it's not women's job to care about men's problems!"
/r/MensRights24/09/23 04:07 PM
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it would be more helpful if there were a sub dedicated to men wanting to be better allies to women This is just one big eyeroll. My entire life, I've been told that women need spaces to discuss their issues, and that one of the most irritating things on the planet is when men swoop in and derail their conversations. Yet now, they think what men need to process their issues is to...discuss women's issues? That's so unaware and selfish, it borders on narcissism. Menslib was always walking a tightr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/23 07:59 PM
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I saw an upvoted comment thread a while ago where they were straight-up saying that when a man says he was abused, he's lying. It was so disheartening.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/23 07:54 PM
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Rather, the findings show that extreme misogynistic views are driven by a psychology of status-seeking and dominance-orientation, which correlates with having many, not few, sexual partners. This suggests that a perceived mismatch between one’s sexual intentions and sexual experiences is not related to extreme misogyny. Summary from the abstract.
/r/MensRights23/09/23 07:15 PM
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like all men Bigoted troll goes mask-off that they're a bigoted troll.
/r/MensRights20/09/23 12:33 PM
1

Thank god no. My sisters are wonderful, down-to-earth people and genuine egalitarians. They don't talk about feminism and gender issues that much, but the very first seed that was planted in my head about men's issues came from one of my sisters when she said she hated feminists. At the time, I was shell-shocked - my liberal sister saying she couldn't stand feminism? I assumed everyone "good" was a feminist by default.
/r/MensRights20/09/23 12:29 PM
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That's exactly the fallacy they use to dismiss the whole issue. They compare the successful prosecution of false accusations (high standard) to self-reported/extrapolated rape statistics (low standard).
/r/MensRights20/09/23 12:21 PM
11

I saw a comment two days ago that said, "Shoot men into the sun. Yes all men." Also upvoted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/23 07:51 PM
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tl;dr: PaTrIaRcHy. "With just a little research..any student would see that it's not anything but the society that was built for us. And we know who built our society." "so many crypto fascists." "This subreddit is often disturbingly conservative for a bunch of supposed teachers." "women are changing and men are staying the same. Note my post 'while women are working together to dismantle the effects of patriarchy for themselves, men are clinging to it.'" "Girls behaving in a 'childish' way are …
/r/MensRights17/09/23 02:55 AM
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There have been highly upvoted comments where people explicitly say their misandrists, and those comments are never removed. It's run as a hate sub. Their "no misandry" rule is a joke.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/23 02:39 AM
2

I'm completely lost on the relevance of the title. Being super attractive doesn't make someone entitled to a relationship forever. People separate for countless reasons. Twenty-seven years is a good run, though.
/r/MensRights16/09/23 02:51 PM
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True, but you don't even have to go that far. Every time I open up a big TwoX thread, there are comments about how all men should be killed, how misandry is justified (but also, not real), and how there's no such thing as male abuse victims.
/r/MensRights16/09/23 02:43 PM
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The other part of the problem is that society doesn't see any issue with the women who act on that entitlement. I was sexually assaulted multiple times in front of others. Despite my protests, and despite her being much larger than me and being able to hold me down, no one so much as said anything to her.
/r/MensRights16/09/23 02:40 PM
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latch onto a bogus study IIRC this happened with the "men get custody most of the time if they fight for it" tripe too, as well as with the feminist definition of rape literally excluding female-on-male rape to purport that 99% of rapists are men. it doesn't support their claim at all I've seen this a ton. They claim to have immersed themselves in all the feminist literature that proves their point, while demonstrating that they can't differentiate between an abstract and a conclusion. Navel gaz…
/r/MensRights14/09/23 03:06 PM
1

I watched it with the woman I was dating at the time. We both liked it. We were at a Q&A event where Cassie Jaye answered a bunch of questions after the film, and the empathy she displayed toward men was unreal.
/r/MensRights14/09/23 03:01 PM
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"Men have all the power because Joe Biden is a man!" "Women are disenfranchised because the women we just elected doesn't share our views!" ...
/r/MensRights13/09/23 05:11 PM
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Rescued orange tabby gang!
/r/MensRights13/09/23 05:01 PM
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Yup. And back when the "undelete" sites worked, you could see what was removed, and most of the removed comments were perfectly polite and nondiscriminatory - they just went against the narrative.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/23 03:14 PM
1

I've definitely noticed this. I've worked in tech companies before (in engineering), and while the out-and-out misogyny fortunately wasn't very common, it still seemed like women were given a lot less of the benefit of the doubt in that setting. On the other hand, there were also ways that women were treated far better in that environment, which is why I think it's pointless to make this whole thing a competition. (Not trying to imply that's what you did.)
/r/MensRights02/09/23 02:26 PM
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You're right, but the problem is that feminist subs will almost certainly remove your post. They're censored to hell and back. One of that sub's rules is "all posts must come from an educated perspective," which in practice is basically just unconditional acceptance of their dogma.
/r/MensRights02/09/23 02:23 PM
3

Yeah, lol, plenty of guys out there who are slaves to their feelings too. I never liked the whole "men are rational, women are emotional" thing. It downplays the significance of men as emotional beings, and suggests that women are incapable of irrational thought.
/r/MensRights02/09/23 02:19 PM
2

If I were a woman, I know I would deeply resent the expectation (borderline obligation) to spend time and money on makeup. Never mind the shitty message we're sending to women that their default face isn't acceptable as-is. I'd hate to be asked if I'm sick or tired every time I showed up to work without makeup. Happened to the women I worked with a ton.
/r/MensRights02/09/23 02:16 PM
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I haven't seen it yet myself, but I've noticed that while the response within many feminist communities is "this movie is a barometer for a man's views on women, their rights, and social progressivism, "the moment other circles criticize it, it becomes "lol look at all the man-babies upset over a movie about dolls." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/MensRights31/08/23 05:54 PM
14

We can look to the Middle East and their honor system for what to do if she decides to leave. Are you advocating that women be killed for leaving their husbands?
/r/MensRights30/08/23 07:03 AM
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I wouldn't break up with someone over it, just because I think a lot of people are genuinely ignorant of how anti-male feminism is. I know a few people who would probably be great partners, and in their minds feminism is just a synonym for gender equality. I would be a bit wary, though. If she constantly brings it up, blames patriarchy for everything, or constantly talks shit about men, that'd be my cue to leave. they caused all this damage themselves Just like the correct response to 50% of Two…
/r/MensRights27/08/23 06:34 PM
1

If he's your therapist, you 100% need to ditch him. That behavior is wildly inappropriate for someone in his position.
/r/MensRights26/08/23 05:48 PM
9

Man, I'm sorry, that's a lot to go through. I'd feel the exact same way if I couldn't be with a loved one in their final moments. The person who insulted you is an asshole and an idiot, and if you know her personally then the best thing you can do is cut her out of your life completely.
/r/MensRights12/08/23 03:53 PM
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they were slaves, of other men Literal bigotry. Or by the rulers, who were men in 99% of the cases. More bigotry. Men aren't any more of a hivemind than women. Stop blaming 99% of men for how the elite 1% treated them.
/r/MensRights11/08/23 04:42 AM
1

men have always been empowered Some. Not most. Women could not vote, choose a husband Neither could men; in many cases, yes they could. a career Neither could men for most of human history, and those men were obligated to do back-breaking labor to keep society turning. could not even smoke in public "In 1908, New York City went as far as to pass a law prohibiting women from smoking within public establishments. The law proved wildly unpopular, and the mayor vetoed it within two weeks." does not …
/r/MensRights10/08/23 07:18 PM
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but whatever No, not "but whatever." It's the core of the issue. doesn't that mean that a part of the population has in fact less power Correct. In this instance, men have less power. They can be forced by law to do something, where women historically were not forced, are currently are given a choice. Again it's not about asking. They didn't let men take that deal, they forced them - and still do. You may as well argue that 19th-century black Americans held more power because they were "let in" …
/r/MensRights09/08/23 09:16 PM
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Downvote me all you want, you know its true ;) You're completely missing the point of the post. OP isn't raging about past injustices committed against men, he's correcting a common, fallacious argument used by feminists. And yeah, 50 years isn't the blink of an eye, but historically it is very, very quick, and it completely contradicts the notion that men were always empowered and women were categorically oppressed. It's also worth pointing out that in the United States, only women have the rig…
/r/MensRights09/08/23 09:08 PM
10

Lmao conscription isn't about asking, inclusion, or "holding less power." Stop trying to reframe male conscription as misogyny.
/r/MensRights09/08/23 09:01 PM
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I see that argument ALL the time and it makes no sense, because women can serve. The problem is that men are forced. But that's how distorted some people's thinking is these days. "Group A is compelled by law to do this thing, Group B has a choice, and Group B is oppressed!"
/r/MensRights06/08/23 05:27 PM
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I don't think the statistic was fake, but the problem is that it had a huge caveat which feminists deliberately gloss over: most fathers who fight in court get some form of custody. It's often repeated as if when men fight for their kids, they have a very high chance of getting primary custody, which isn't the case. I didn't save the link, but I remember a long time ago, someone came in here with a link to research that she thought was a silver bullet. Lo and behold, it didn't say what she thoug…
/r/MensRights01/08/23 05:03 PM
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For some, seeing “Barbie” also acted as a catalyst for breaking up with incompatible partners. LMAO this is absolutely insane.
/r/MensRights30/07/23 03:59 PM
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I'll reserve my judgement until I see Barbie myself, but it's kinda telling how every related thread that's hit the front page is full of people screaming "fragile masculinity!", "patriarchy!", and basically shaming into silence anyone who didn't like the movie.
/r/MensRights24/07/23 02:11 AM
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Yeah, when I was a kid I would've done a lot of stupid, harmful things too. That's why we hold parents, educators, and other adults responsible for a child's welfare when they're under their supervision.
/r/MensRights24/07/23 02:08 AM
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They find them attractive. There's a difference between someone finding something attractive, and being put in a situation of inherent imbalance where an adult educator is having sex raping one of her students. You may as well just say that because some women have rape fantasies, that means not all rape is bad. It's the same fallacious thinking.
/r/MensRights24/07/23 02:06 AM
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That is gross and racist as fuck. Self-awareness level: 0.
/r/MensRights16/06/23 04:34 AM
5

Lol that's incredibly ironic.
/r/MensRights11/06/23 09:47 PM
6

I suffered from life-threatening depression a decade ago. (Fortunately, I'm in a completely different place now.) Someone said that I couldn't actually be depressed because I had too much white male privilege.
/r/MensRights09/06/23 11:37 AM
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I saw that thread. In typical feminist fashion, there were a bunch of highly upvoted comments saying misandry doesn't exist, misandry is a joke, etc. Bigotry blinds. Maybe one day they'll see that.
/r/MensRights07/06/23 10:26 AM
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(not car, Specifically a truck) What in the Alabama. For real though, I think the biggest takeaway here is that you're discovering more about who you authentically are, and that's always a good thing!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/06/23 03:22 AM
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Dude, between your post and this comment, these are massive red flags. I'm not just saying this as a member of this sub, I'm saying it as a human being.
/r/MensRights06/06/23 01:00 PM
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Marriage is not just a social declaration of love, it's a legal contract between two parties.
/r/MensRights06/06/23 12:56 PM
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Increased suicide rates of any demographic is not "justice."
/r/MensRights06/06/23 12:51 PM
1

Off the top of my head: The overwhelming majority of conversation I've had about MGM. Being told I couldn't be depressed because of my male privilege. People not only assuming that I haven't been sexually assaulted, but that I can't be sexually assaulted. This, despite being sexually assaulted twice by a much larger woman... ...during which time my so-called friends looked on and said/did nothing while I verbally protested for her to get off me. Being completely overlooked twice for work I did e…
/r/MensRights04/06/23 03:04 AM
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Wow, the top comment on that /r/ModCoord thread is eye-opening. They're literally chasing out people who need accessibility features, all for a quick buck: u/****, mod at r/Blind, where third party apps are essential to allow the blind community to access Reddit. This site has become so anti-user the past few years. People have been able to easily demonstrate how just a day or two of dedicated blocking allows you to effectively moderate a community without being a moderator, and create your own …
/r/MenSupportMen03/06/23 04:59 PM
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Jesus, one of them actually said "I would be afraid he will hit me and abuse me." The people on that subreddit are deranged. Also, that is typical behavior from that moderator. Beg the question, make wild accusations about the MRM, and then when you say you disagree, "yOu CaN sTuMp fOr mRaS sOmEwHeRe eLsE." They have exactly zero curious cells in their body. That subreddit just exists to railroad people and circlejerk.
/r/MensRights01/06/23 12:07 AM
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I upvoted the moment I saw the cat video. But for real, thanks for your empathy. It means a lot.
/r/MensRights29/05/23 03:28 PM
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Blaming feminism is so unhelpful Duluth model, excluding men from equality statistics, denying a man's presumption of innocence, successfully opposing gender neutral family court and rape laws...but yeah, let's just look the other way as the largest, most institutionalized social movement in the west actively fights against men's rights.
/r/MensRights24/05/23 12:53 PM
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No, of course I'm not giving up. I'm just working on advocating at a much smaller level. What OP is demanding of us isn't practical right now.
/r/MensRights22/05/23 03:31 PM
1

What's the worst, in your opinion? Just curious.
/r/MensRights21/05/23 07:41 PM
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we have to show that men should not have any ceiling they should have endless opportunities. No feminist can opposse this thing This is exactly what feminists are fighting against, socially and legally. in the 2nd second stage we can manipulate governments that make gender neutral laws or loose our vots You still haven't explained how we get anywhere near a critical mass of voters for this to make any difference. We have to represent the history by different perspective that women has not beared…
/r/MensRights21/05/23 07:37 PM
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Well, we currently aren't. Tons of men refuse to acknowledge men's issues, even as they see the evidence of men's issues in their own lives. What you're proposing is the single biggest obstacle to addressing men's rights. If men as a group truly were organized to the degree that feminists are, they wouldn't be able to stop us. So, how do you propose we unite men?
/r/MensRights21/05/23 04:49 PM
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I think it was way back in 2016, but there was a day when they had a "women's protest" (it might've been IWD), and the threads in TwoX were all about women taking spa days and pampering themselves. Despite that, these women taking a collective vacation day were lionized by the media as fighting for...I don't even know what. 2016 was a weird year where literally everything from climate change to LGBT rights became a women's issue. Men don't have the luxury of any of that. The reality is that only…
/r/MensRights21/05/23 04:47 PM
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I can't think of a single party in the United States that takes men's issues seriously.
/r/MensRights21/05/23 04:36 PM
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Masculine traits in women: good Masculine traits in men: bad -society
/r/MensRights21/05/23 04:56 AM
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boys will often respond with humor, minimize the issue and/or blame their friend for whatever it is Also, this isn't just a male issue. Shitty people of all types do this. I've had some solid male friends who listen without judgement, and I've known some women with the emotional intelligence of a gnat. But as usual, the narrative is that all problems come from men and all men are problematic.
/r/MensRights21/05/23 04:55 AM
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Human rights matter.
/r/MensRights19/05/23 12:16 AM
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People who oppose RIC aren't saying that men are completely robbed of pleasure. Just that we've been robbed of whatever pleasure is experienced from the foreskin. There are circumcised women who say they're happy with their sex lives too. Does that mean it's okay to cut girls?
/r/MensRights18/05/23 05:03 AM
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Yep, that's the one! Bossio 2016. https://www.arclaw.org/wp-content/uploads/Earp-Penile-Sensitivity-Trends-in-Mens-Health-2016.pdf According to the authors’ own Figure 2, the foreskin – that is, the part of the penis that is removed by circumcision – is significantly more sensitive to tactile stimulation than any other assessed part of the penis [..] What Bossio et al may be trying to convey is that there does not appear to be a meaningful sensory difference between circumcised and intact men in…
/r/MensRights16/05/23 09:55 PM
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Yes, a culture that's done something for a long time doesn't consider that thing bad. Do you want a gold star for that line of thinking?
/r/MensRights16/05/23 09:47 PM
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Look at the studies. I have - it's why I changed my mind on circumcision, despite growing up as a Jewish American. I'm pretty sure you haven't read these studies past the bylines. Why are they happy? Same reason most circumcised women are happy: cultural normalization. There are more Muslims and circumcised men in America than there are Jewish men in the entire world. Any reason you singled out Jews? As a Jew myself, I'd love to know why you picked one of the smallest groups that circumcises as …
/r/MensRights16/05/23 09:35 PM
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I’m sure that there are men who say otherwise There are, which is why it wouldn't matter if 95% of circumcised adults said sensation didn't change. People should still have the right to decide which healthy body parts they get to keep. a high acceptance rate of adult circumcision They. Consented. A study of sensation also showed that the foreskin is not any more sensitive than the skin of the shaft. I'm pretty sure I know which study you're misinterpreting, and that's not what it said. This pers…
/r/MensRights16/05/23 06:03 PM
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Ah yes, a procedure which removes a body part with functions somehow doesn't remove those functions. Makes sense. 👍
/r/MensRights16/05/23 05:59 PM
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Yes, it is 100% genital mutilation. And as a formerly observant Jew, I include religious circumcision in that opinion. I think the best way to convince men is to have them realize that it's unnecessary and that most men in the world are not circumcised. I used to believe all men on Earth were circumcised, even though this is obviously not true. Between that and calling out all the medical misinformation pushed in certain nations, even though most of the developed world doesn't accept those so-ca…
/r/MensRights16/05/23 05:58 PM
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I've stood up for women in irl situations the way feminists claim men need to in order to be a good ally. It never mattered. The minute I stood up for men instead, I was called a misogynist.
/r/MensRights16/05/23 09:33 AM
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In addition to what the other guy listed, feminists in multiple countries successfully fought against laws acknowledging male rape victims. I get what you're trying to say, that fighting for group A doesn't inherently mean opposing group B, but the problem is that feminism actively fights against men gaining rights.
/r/MensRights14/05/23 02:47 PM
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I had a family member and a friend (both women, ironically) say "oh I don't like feminists" and tell me the pay gap was a myth. I used to be more right-leaning, but even then I considered myself a feminist because I thought it was just a synonym for egalitarian, so my mind was blown to hear these things. Starting looking into it more, realized how much self-loathing and internalized misandry I'd developed because of my feminist views, learned that men in fact do not have "all the rights," and th…
/r/MensRights13/05/23 02:18 AM
3

It seems ridiculous at first glance, but men have been compelled to pay child support based on sperm donations, even after they revoked consent in writing for their sperm to be used. It's actually something men should consider these days.
/r/MensRights13/05/23 02:14 AM
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These comments made me so angry. I'm sorry that happened to you. You should be able to get some kind of financial restitution in cases like this.
/r/MensRights13/05/23 02:11 AM
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That is so incredibly stupid. I wouldn't care if a government is comprised of 90% women, as long as those representatives were elected fairly. Sneaking in additional representatives just to meet some bullshit quota is...well, bullshit. Also, the cynic in me suspects that this policy wouldn't stay in place for too long after a couple election cycles of adding male representatives.
/r/MensRights10/05/23 06:03 PM
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I mean, I've been attacked and sexually assaulted by women before too, but in terms of physical violence overall, most offenders are male. Our individual experiences don't change that.
/r/MensRights10/05/23 05:59 PM
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The way my Vietnamese ex's mother criticized her was one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever seen. There's so much judgement in those cultures between women, even within the same families. It's insane.
/r/MensRights10/05/23 05:56 PM
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I always wanted to get married and still do, but seeing firsthand how the courts will eviscerate a decent man and cater to an abusive woman has made me wary. Marriage isn't just a declaration of lifelong commitment, it's a legal contract.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/23 11:57 AM
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I'll be honest: I'm sick and tired of men's issues being reframed as women's issues, and of male victims being seen as merely an ancillary symptom of misogyny. I would much rather we take the time to actually establish men as human beings who are worthy of all the same dignity and respect as women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/23 12:24 AM
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Correct, but just like with racists, you won't make much headway by appealing to reason. Bigotry is inherently unreasonable. So to answer OP's question on how to argue against that point: you can't. Very, very rarely can bigots be reasoned with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/23 12:21 AM
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Jesus man, that's infuriating. Hope that monster is out of your life now.
/r/MensRights06/05/23 03:43 PM
5

This is why the manosphere label always put me off. It allows everyone to lump the bigots in with the groups who are actually calling out men's issues. Imagine if we lumped every online women's space together under a "femisphere" and hung the baggage of TERFs around the neck of every single user in a women's group.
/r/MensRights06/05/23 03:41 PM
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it wasn't at a 4th grade level so a lot of men took it as a personal insult. Always telling when someone (not you, I understand) goes mask-off with their bigotry. It is because of Koss's advocacy that we can talk about rape of men more seriously and openly Koss was advocating for the definition of rape being expanded from men raping women, to men raping anyone. A large number of male victims are still omitted in her analysis, because most female rapists are still unaccounted for. As someone else…
/r/MensRights06/05/23 03:33 PM
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There actually is a version for men: https://realitycalc.com/ Unfortunately, it also uses salary and height, which aren't as important to men. They definitely should've substituted those traits for stuff men are more selective about. Edit: Apparently I'm "down to earth." Thanks, male delusion calculator. 👍
/r/MensRights06/05/23 03:15 AM
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Thank you so much for providing all these updates.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/23 01:25 PM
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doesn't mean that sexism and the patriarchal system our government is built on aren't still affecting people in other negative ways Sure, but more socially progressive societies see women pursuing lower paying jobs because when given the choice, they tend to have different priorities. In economically modernized but socially regressive societies, women are forced/shamed into higher paying careers because families define their children's worth based entirely on salary. There's nothing inherently p…
/r/MensRights05/05/23 01:15 PM
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1) "The largest identifiable causes of the gender wage gap are differences in the occupations and industries where women and men are most likely to work." It's right there in your article. Never mind that women are now the majority of college graduates, and women in their 20s are out-earning men. 2) That wasn't what I asked, and it still does not account for the overwhelming majority of men. 3) Genital mutilation bans that only protect women; the ACA only providing DV counseling for women; rape …
/r/MensRights05/05/23 06:04 AM
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women are still paid less overall They explain it right there in the article: "Much of the gender pay gap has been explained by measurable factors such as educational attainment, occupational segregation and work experience." The fact that women earn less than men is not in itself evidence of a patriarchy or discrimination. Paying a woman less than a man for the same work has been a federal crime for decades. billionaire distribution by gender Apex fallacy. You picked a statistic where a very, v…
/r/MensRights05/05/23 12:57 AM
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Redditor for less than an hour + same username format as half a dozen other accounts that she keeps making before getting suspended. Ignore the troll, folks.
/r/MensRights02/05/23 06:55 PM
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Men, especially straight white men, are not encouraged to share their opinions on any issue pertaining to women, BIPOC, ethnic relations, or the LGBTQIA+ communities. It's not even just that. Most of the time, men are discouraged from even sharing their own experiences. Even voicing an opinion on gender politics is seen as "punching down."
/r/MensRights01/05/23 03:55 AM
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Are you making the same assumption as most, where you're comparing the number of rapes reported in surveys (low bar) to the number of false accusation convictions (high bar)? One is an interpersonal crime which we prosecute, while the other leverages bias in the judicial system. Even if rape were more common than false accusations (we don't know that, and it shouldn't matter, since they're both horrible crimes), that doesn't mean we should overlook false accusations and the impact they have on t…
/r/MensRights01/05/23 12:21 AM
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Eliminate alimony. Replace it with support networks and vocational training for exes who were out of work for an extended period during the relationship. Equal obligations regarding conscription. Family court reform (which has been proposed several times with majority voter support, and nuked by women's organizations) to address the horrible bias in family courts. Judicial reform, scrutiny, and additional oversight to address the gender sentencing gap. Professional reform in the field of psychol…
/r/MensRights01/05/23 12:14 AM
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He is almost certainly fueling the fire regarding trans issues, and hasn't given a moment's thought to circumcision.
/r/MensRights29/04/23 02:38 PM
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The unnecessary removal of functional, erogenous tissue is itself an issue, even if the procedure isn't "botched." Plenty of body parts carry more risk than foreskin. Doesn't mean we chop them off on a whim.
/r/MensRights29/04/23 02:36 PM
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Yet another publication from the wonderful world of sociology that starts with a predetermined conclusion. If they're truly interested in investigating zero-sum beliefs, they should look into women's groups repeatedly shutting down gender-neutral rape laws, family court reform, and men's organizations on college campuses; and passing gendered genital mutilation laws and defining gender equality indexes based solely on women's welfare. But they won't do that, because for some reason sociology is …
/r/MensRights28/04/23 09:21 AM
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I've got the majority medical opinion on my side, but hey, whatever you need to tell yourself...never mind that studies wouldn't "prove" one way or the other whether something is mutilation. Kinda suggests you aren't actually familiar with the literature.
/r/MensRights25/04/23 07:39 AM
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Removal of the clitoral hood is very literally a form of circumcision, though. It's FGM too, but that doesn't mean it isn't also "female circumcision" in the literal sense. Likewise, male circumcision is very literally mutilation. It's the needless destruction of a body part. I'm sorry your cognitive dissonance is too large to overcome these simple realities.
/r/MensRights24/04/23 10:09 PM
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Even the less invasive procedures negativity affects most women negatively Is that why in Indonesia, the largest girl-cutting culture on Earth, 92% of women say they'd cut their daughters, and only 2% of those women say female circumcision isn't beneficial. Again, you are selectively looking at a fraction of FGM and ignoring the facts people are telling you about other forms. I'm from Kenya and I know what I'm talking about. Doesn't seem like you're familiar with the full picture. Would you tell…
/r/MensRights24/04/23 10:07 PM
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Congrats, you just justified several forms of FGM as well. Mutilation: destruction of part of the body. In the case of male circumcision, the foreskin (and usually associated structures like the frenulum) are destroyed.
/r/MensRights24/04/23 10:02 PM
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See, here's the difference between you and me. I'm not denying what's in either of those videos. You, however, are denying what others are telling you about the full spectrum of FGM and the double standards it reveals when compared to male autonomy. https://youtu.be/NaEoQVZnN8I https://youtu.be/Ggqa6CCTR-4 Would you also tell these two FGM victims (the first of whom is the most prominent anti-FGM opponent in the world) that they "will never understand"?
/r/MensRights24/04/23 07:01 PM
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the campaign against FGM isn't based on the same stupid arguments, but for female wellbeing No, it's based on bodily autonomy. That's why even a non-invasive pinprick which doesn't leave any evidence of ever occurring is classified as FGM and is banned throughout the West. There are literally procedures which may as well not have happened to the female victims which are still considered federal crimes.
/r/MensRights24/04/23 06:53 PM
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Circumcision for male is viewed positively for men in my culture. There are cultures where women view "female circumcision" positively, too. What's your point? what is the upside of anti-circumcision? What's the point? Genital integrity? Bodily autonomy? Not having a functional, erogenous part of your body cut off when it's perfectly healthy?
/r/MensRights24/04/23 06:52 PM
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You're getting downvoted for comparing the most common, clinical version of male circumcision to the worst, relatively uncommon forms of FGM. You can keep calling it common sense, but you're selectively choosing how to represent MGM and FGM to make a point which doesn't hold up when you look at the issue holistically.
/r/MensRights24/04/23 06:50 PM
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circumcised men have very functional penises Define "functional."
/r/MensRights24/04/23 06:47 PM
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Okay. Type 4 FGM is not as bad as Type 1 FGM, sooo...I guess labeling Type 4 FGM as "FGM" is also a false equivalence for you, right?
/r/MensRights24/04/23 06:45 PM
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Definitely therapy. A good therapist can help you unpack your fears and slowly (and without judgement) work up towards having relationships with men.
/r/MensRights24/04/23 10:44 AM
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You've gotten psychiatry and psychology mixed up. Great comment though.
/r/MensRights24/04/23 10:42 AM
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Yup. CATO and the U.N. do the same thing. They measure gender inequality only by investigating women's welfare.
/r/MensRights23/04/23 10:02 PM
3

In addition to everything else that's been said, the most active mod there is pro-MGM. Their idea of helping men is ignoring half of our problems entirely, and navel-gazing instead of discussing actionable solutions.
/r/MensRights23/04/23 10:32 AM
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When you've been bombarded with those messages since your youth, it's hard not to believe them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/23 12:46 AM
3

I think you're deeply misunderstanding what the interest in "things" versus "people" is in your post title. Of course, men can be very social and cooperative, and woman can take interest in literal physical objects, but on average, the primary fixation (i.e. what they work on) for men/women is still things/people respectively. This is seen across nature, not just in humans. It's also worth noting that men are oftentimes working on thing-related goals, even when cooperating (see: STEM), and that …
/r/MensRights16/04/23 10:20 PM
1

The pandemic and pets definitely reinforced some bad habits for me as an introvert.
/r/MenSupportMen15/04/23 08:20 AM
2

Laid off from my day job, independent business venture is hitting some (expensive) roadblocks...just a really shitty week. My boss actually cried a bit when delivering the news. She said some really sweet things to me and that she wished they'd consulted her so she could've fought for me, but when corporate tightens the purse strings, they never tell anyone what their formula is for "corrective cost reduction." At least I'll have a strong recommendation from her if/when I seek out another 9-5. O…
/r/MenSupportMen15/04/23 08:18 AM
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Whilst women were engaging in how they have it worse in subsequent comments lol This happens all the time in TwoX. Post: makes a generalization about men. Comment: "I'm a guy, and this doesn't reflect our experience at all." Replies: "OMG stop making everything about men!"
/r/MensRights14/04/23 10:51 PM
1

Yeah, I read her other comments and she comes off pretty bad. I also glossed over how she turned her own marital issues into a "what are men good for" rant, while it sounds like he's the one leaning fully into the relationship.
/r/MensRights14/04/23 09:59 PM
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Given that this is in TwoXIndia, I wonder if it was an arranged marriage. Lots of people are pressured into loveless marriages in that culture.
/r/MensRights14/04/23 07:57 PM
1

I think you might be confusing tone and undertone - at least, if we're giving OP the benefit of the doubt.
/r/MensRights13/04/23 10:22 PM
2

I think he gets some undue hate and that his "clean your room" advice is a great starting point for someone who feels like they've lost control of their life...but overall he strikes me someone who's in love with the sound of his own voice and his brand of "hyper-intellectualism."
/r/MensRights13/04/23 12:02 AM
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This didn't come across as woman-hating to me, just like stating other things (most murders are committed by men, etc.) isn't inherently an attack on men. If we can observe a phenomenon in the real world and via surveys (as in the article), we should be able to discuss it without walking on eggshells. It doesn't mean men or women are inherently bad. Certain negative behaviors do correlate by gender. It's okay to mention that.
/r/MensRights11/04/23 03:22 PM
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There used to be a poster in AgainstHateSubreddits who was obsessed with this subreddit. He made so many ridiculous posts taking things out of context and proving "hate" by making wild leaps in his interpretations. I don't know whether he's still at it, but there are definitely people with an unhealthy obsession for this subreddit. Edit: I just skimmed that post. What a bunch of morons. Half the stuff they say to "rebut" men's issues isn't even factually correct, let alone reasonable or relevant…
/r/MensRights11/04/23 11:38 AM
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It was so hilarious when they tried to convince everyone that Pepe is some kind of mascot for white ultra-nationalism. I have a bunch of co-workers and friends, all very progressive, who love sharing Pepe memes. It's an expressive cartoon frog, not a swastika.
/r/MensRights10/04/23 10:57 PM
11

I was genuinely told this by an ex-friend. Made my head spin.
/r/MensRights10/04/23 12:33 AM
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This is true of adults who understand healthy sexuality, but we are also hammering these horrible messages into boys who are still developing. The shame gets rooted into people at a much deeper level when it happens at that age.
/r/MensRights09/04/23 07:08 PM
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More like: we see a bunch of unfalsifiable ramblings from a since-proven liar and sexist who feels compelled to project his own bigotry onto others instead of taking responsibility for his words. You continually conflated the ruling class and the general population. That's on you. Paying lip service to the fact that men have struggles, while victim-blaming and overlooking the ways that men actually suffer, is on you. You proved that exact point everyone else is making in their rebuttals with thi…
/r/MensRights08/04/23 10:38 PM
2

I won't disagree with most of your comment, and at this point I'm not here to dwell on the bits that give me reservation. However, I just want to note this part: we can't point to 'not all men being in power' historically as a proof that power wasn't reserved for men. That's exactly my point, just with the phrases flipped. Just because the exercise of power was dominated by men, does not mean that men as a gender wielded or benefited from that power. The guy above us continually conflated the pr…
/r/MensRights08/04/23 10:18 PM
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with the implication that I’m “evaluating a population based only on its apex Allow me to clarify. I didn't intend to imply it. I intended to outright state it, because, you know, that's what you actually did. And despite your so-called empathy (advantage), you still haven't taken responsibility for your complete omission of how men have been subjugated. I don’t believe men are the best members of society You do believe men hold the power. You wrote an entire comment about it. Come on bud, use t…
/r/MensRights08/04/23 10:12 PM
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You’re telling on yourself by labeling men as “apex”. I never did this. That's a second count of lying. Here, surely literate (privilege) is one of your many character traits. Read this again and get back to me: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apex_fallacy Unlike you, I don’t think men are better or worse than women Third count for lying. Man, you need a source of self-worth outside of lecturing others on social media.
/r/MensRights08/04/23 07:16 PM
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Women gained universal suffrage not long after men. They could indeed initiate divorce. You don't get to lecture people on making this about "men vs. women" when your entire worldview is predicated on completely ignoring the privileges and rights that have been afforded solely to women, and overlooking the unique ways that men have been (and continue to be) harmed. hating women Weird, nothing in your autobiographical masturbatory word salad mentioned how you're a liar (character flaw). I read hi…
/r/MensRights08/04/23 07:14 PM
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a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it So in other words, nothing like what the vast majority of people experience in the modern age. K. was written under 100% men What percentage of men alive contribute to or benefit from the laws and policies that were written? Why do you assume men in power granted women rights reluctantly? Seems like you're the one who's reluctant to acknowledge that if the majority of elites have been men, then t…
/r/MensRights08/04/23 07:04 PM
12

How do you define patriarchy?
/r/MensRights08/04/23 02:49 PM
1

You got me. Everyone knows the toughest of us write internet comments starting with "you are soy" and snap at others while playing Overwatch. While you fantasize about embodying male disposability, I actually have saved people, in various ways: from hatred, from suicide, and from genital mutilation. But with those three words, "you are soy," you have successfully punctured my armor and shattered my self-esteem. Good job, soldier. You are fighting the battles that truly matter. I Am Soy, Hear Me …
/r/MensRights08/04/23 09:12 AM
1

A brigade would explain a lot, honestly. Wouldn't surprise me.
/r/MensRights08/04/23 02:17 AM
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He's being sarcastic. His other comments in this thread indicate that he's incredibly unstable, and he despises men and thinks we all dream of committing violent acts against each other just because that's (by his own admission) what he does.
/r/MensRights08/04/23 02:16 AM
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Sorry you grew up as a teenage girl I grew up as a teenage boy who did not fantasize about killing others. I just realized you're the same guy who thinks all men have an evil side and are super toxic. It's ironic that in one paragraph, you call out male disposability and simultaneously encourage the mindset that leads to it: You are just a lesser man if you never wanted to be a hero through violence. You have some significant, glaring anger issues. I don't deny that you have had all these though…
/r/MensRights08/04/23 02:09 AM
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I don't see how not being familiar with a term invalidates anything I said I just looked it up, and I do in fact "solo queue," I've just never heard that before. Your experience is invalid to your own Lmao that's ridiculous. Unless you're calling me a liar, my experience is my experience. If you want to talk about homophobia, of course that's a serious problem, but pivoting to that and away from your own androphobia won't solve anything.
/r/MensRights08/04/23 01:59 AM
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and fucking killing other men JFC no we don't.
/r/MensRights08/04/23 01:01 AM
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I don't know what you mean by solo queue, I don't play Overwatch, and the two most toxic gamers I ever knew happened to be women. One of them would bitch constantly about negativity in League while being the poster child of toxicity herself. The other threw a controller at me once when I beat her at Mario Tennis. The guys I knew were pretty universally chill. I'm sure the majority of online toxicity comes from male gamers, but it hardly seems fair to extrapolate that to negativity about a gender…
/r/MensRights08/04/23 12:54 AM
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A few of those questions are incredibly leading and only indicate misogyny if you lean on assumptions about the world which aren't necessarily true. I've seen this a lot with sociology surveys - even ones published to journals. "Do you think white and black people are equal?" A yes could mean the subject believes in innate equality, while a no could mean he acknowledges society's inequalities - both of which would indicate a lack of racism. Likewise, either a yes or no could have the opposite in…
/r/MensRights08/04/23 12:30 AM
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Seven-hour old account, calls women "these bitches," makes an off-beat period remark...and as I was checking the age of the account, I realized this is the same guy who called a 15-year-old child in another thread a "vile cunt" and said she deserved to be sexually assaulted. Report and ignore the troll, folks.
/r/MensRights07/04/23 07:31 PM
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I just found their reply to your comment (I hope you and your kid are doing alright now, by the way) and it's the most useless fluff they could've regurgitated. "You guys dismissed me and my kid." "It's our policy to not do that."
/r/MensRights07/04/23 07:27 PM
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Additionally, men being victim-blamed and dismissed on hotlines is a well-understood phenomenon. I don't mind people raising an eyebrow at OP's post, but it's not like he's had a dozen women independently accuse him of abuse, either.
/r/MensRights07/04/23 07:22 PM
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I'd second your comment if we had more data points. However, there's documentation of significant proportions of men being met with hostility and dismissal when reaching out to hotlines, so the story in this post is unfortunately very feasible. That, plus having one idiot co-worker, is believable enough for me that I'm willing to give OP the benefit of the doubt. If OP keeps getting this feedback, though...yeah, at that point it might be time for some deeper introspection.
/r/MensRights07/04/23 07:20 PM
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First of all, I just want to say that I'm really, sincerely sorry you've already experienced all that. It shouldn't happen at your age - or at all, obviously. That said, I see why your comment is being so negatively received. Boys are sexualized from a very young age as well, it's just in a wildly different form than what girls experience: it's (usually) less objectification and more demonization. Also, while of course people shouldn't be harming women, I and a lot of other guys here are sick of…
/r/MensRights07/04/23 04:59 PM
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I can't imagine how you think calling a 15-year-old a "vile cunt" and telling her she deserved to be harassed is going to help anyone.
/r/MensRights07/04/23 04:53 PM
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I have fucking popped off on other men in voice chats after a game This is almost certainly much more of a problem with you and the people you choose to associate with. Neither I nor any of the guys I've played with, online or irl, have ever raged and unloaded on another player. If you take more responsibility for your actions instead of acting like it's a flaw inherent to our gender (it isn't), I guarantee you'll be happier in the long run.
/r/MensRights07/04/23 04:48 PM
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/'s
/r/MensRights07/04/23 04:40 PM
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Depending on where you live, there might be measures or proposals on the ballot that you can vote for directly, without voting for any of the candidates. Might be worth checking out.
/r/MensRights07/04/23 03:40 PM
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I mean how stupid is this statement really? We don't have the words to describe how vapid and childish their line of reasoning is. All men are a Schrodinger's hivemind which is simultaneously oppressing and being oppressed, I guess... I'm just sick of hearing the word oppression. It doesn't even apply most of the time, but people need to believe in some sort of black-and-white oppression hierarchy to resolve the cognitive dissonance of how little they care about men.
/r/MensRights07/04/23 12:20 AM
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I bring that up when applicable. Usually they suddenly act stupid and refuse to understand the analogy, but sometimes they try to wriggle out of it with "patriarchy" or "internalized misogyny" - i.e. even when it's a woman-on-woman abuse, somehow we've still gotta blame men.
/r/MensRights07/04/23 12:13 AM
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I've gotten one or two similar comments about my being Jewish, after becoming increasingly critical of the religion. "Wow, you're not like other Jews! You're one of the rare good ones!" Like...yeah, that ain't it chief.
/r/MensRights06/04/23 05:50 PM
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I think this is the first problem you need to look at. Agoraphobia will make so many of your other goals that much harder.
/r/MensRights05/04/23 06:50 PM
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I'd assume a lot of men in that field are as well. You just have to get lucky.
/r/MensRights05/04/23 06:47 PM
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Good for those two men for speaking up. I've gotten very lucky with my therapists, but when the APA itself is willing to release such misandric, politically motivated guidelines around men (as it did a few years ago), there is clearly a deep-seated in the field that needs to be addressed.
/r/MensRights05/04/23 06:46 PM
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What he's describing isn't merely venting, it's using cognitive-behavioral therapy to identify and reframe negative thoughts. I strongly doubt he'd make the same headway against his low self-esteem just by bouncing his frustrations off his friends every once and a while.
/r/MensRights05/04/23 06:40 PM
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When we, men, look deep inside, we see a fierce ruthless desire of conquest and power. It's violent and destructive, and at the same time glorious and creative Honestly, this reads like the person behind the NOW Twitter account describing what she thinks it's like to be a man, instead of actually talking to men. Neither I nor any of the guys I associate with have any sort of "ruthless" conquistadorial hunger. This reads like a one-dimensional tradcon view of men, which is exactly how people have…
/r/MensRights05/04/23 06:33 PM
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I have yet to see a critique of MRA's that wasn't biased in some fashion and that chose the worst possibly light they could to interpret what MRA's said This double standard drives me crazy. When I mention the ways that influential feminists across the globe have materially moved policy in ways that harm men, I'm told "that's just a few extremists, you can't define the whole movement that way!" But apparently it's fair to criticize anything remotely connected to mens' movements because /u/Shamel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/23 12:23 AM
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Does anyone actually believe the far right is better than the far left on the issues on slide 5? Very few people here will assert that the far right (or the right in general) is actually better on these issues. The obvious reality is that neither side is actually concerned with addressing men's issues. But as you asked, the question is whether people actually believe it, and the unfortunate answer outside this sub is a resounding yes, because while far right spaces pay lip service to men's issue…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/23 09:41 PM
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This one always makes me laugh. When people argue that housewives should be compensated for basic household chores, I ask if I'll be getting a check from the government for dusting my bookshelf yesterday. They never respond to that.
/r/MensRights31/03/23 06:42 PM
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How do these two statements go together? Because they're bigoted morons who don't understand the difference between overall counts and per-capita. For some reason they link to the US based RAINN for the global statement. Because they're bigoted morons.
/r/MensRights27/03/23 09:38 PM
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No one comes to a subreddit to troll and survives very long. Did you ever hear the tragedy of EnvironmentalWar the troll?
/r/MensRights23/03/23 12:43 AM
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Neither gender is innately oppressive or predatory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/23 09:38 PM
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Learning how he was treated was such an infuriating history lesson. It gets even worse when you realize how many others were (and still are, in certain parts of the world) persecuted and subjected to a similar fate, just for existing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/23 09:01 PM
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If the couple is okay with this then that's ultimately what matters, but personally it'd be hard for me to see a man buying her drinks as anything other than a flirtatious gesture. Also, men at a bachelorette party? Every bachelor party I've attended was just the guys hanging out. That was the whole point. Again, if the couple's okay with it, they're okay with it, but alarms would be going off for a lot of people.
/r/MensRights10/03/23 11:45 AM
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This is unfounded and dumb.
/r/MensRights10/03/23 11:40 AM
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Okay? Should we also search for videos of guys cheating just to assume the worst about someone's husband? Should women search for news stories about first-date rapists to justify the bigoted notion that men can't be trusted? This is so blatantly illogical, guys. Please step back and look at what you're assuming.
/r/MensRights10/03/23 11:39 AM
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Okay, and what about all the people who trusted their partner, and maintained a faithful relationship. All these comments reek of, "You're not a spy? That's exactly what a spy would say!" Just let the dude trust his wife.
/r/MensRights10/03/23 01:13 AM
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Thank you for the sanity. I'm seeing a million comments acting like it's a foregone conclusion that women only ever travel to cheat and lap up male attention, and it's like...no, women can just hang out and enjoy each other's company too.
/r/MensRights10/03/23 01:10 AM
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How to nuke a relationship in one easy step.
/r/MensRights10/03/23 01:07 AM
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Right...but that's because most marriages start the same way. Just because he sounds today like divorced men did at the start of their marriages, doesn't mean he's heading down that path.
/r/MensRights10/03/23 01:06 AM
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I'll be honest: it's a reasonably boundary to have, but it's a questionable one to express and I can see how your wife might've been uncomfortable hearing it. From her perspective, it probably came across as "if he says he trusts me, why does he need to ask?" She might also feel like her decisions are now defined by obliging your requests, instead of her innate ability to be trustworthy. If I were in that situation, I wouldn't ask my wife to not do certain things. I'd just mention that I'm feeli…
/r/MensRights10/03/23 01:03 AM
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Isn't accepting drinks from a guy a romantic/flirty gesture though? That seems like it crosses a boundary.
/r/MensRights10/03/23 12:57 AM
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For a long time, I believed that shit. Then I did the unthinkable: I checked out this stuff with my own eyes. Turns out, men do have problems and face genuine discrimination, and like everyone else, I was conditioned to dismiss the questions before even entertaining the answers.
/r/MensRights08/03/23 05:25 PM
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Ah, the ol' U.N. Women switcheroo.
/r/MensRights08/03/23 05:23 PM
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who gave those men the right to vote???? Not women Yeah: an incredibly small proportion of elite men. How many men were drafted to die on battlefields, compared to being elected to Congress? one Googling dispells that. Men make more than women. Men spend more than women What's the link you found? Earning money ≠ spending money. 2:8 ratio Most of the stuff you listed involves intensive physical labor, dangerous working conditions (especially back when railroads and automobiles were novel), and a …
/r/MensRights08/03/23 05:14 PM
4

I'm definitely borrowing this term, lol.
/r/MensRights04/03/23 02:01 PM
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All this, plus many of these neo-Nazis prey on vulnerable men and keep them miserable. They aren't helping young men as they claim - they're using them.
/r/MensRights04/03/23 02:01 PM
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I'm pretty sure that a shift in social trends doesn't change that humans still operate on k-selection.
/r/MensRights04/03/23 01:58 PM
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It would be called gaslighting, because literally everything a man does these days is called gaslighting.
/r/MensRights04/03/23 01:55 PM
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It's like when women's groups in Israel unanimously blocked a law acknowledging female-on-male rape, because they were concerned men would weaponize the law to falsely accuse women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 10:58 PM
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Yeah, but like...we're all people. Where the hell do they get these beliefs after we were supposedly taught to respect everyone equally?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 10:50 PM
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Yeah, +1 to this. I'm not saying Indian men don't have their own issues, because in a lot of ways the courts/police are horribly sexist against men, but the blatant sex crimes that happen over there with no justice is appalling.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 10:45 PM
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Great post. I've been very lucky to have some wonderful therapists who helped me sort through some heavy shit, but between the APA's horrible guidance on male clients and the stuff in your post about therapy is overall tailored for women, I know my experience is far from universal. It's a shame, because I know that I wouldn't have the life I have today without those years of therapy under my belt, but some therapists are absolutely horrible.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 11:36 PM
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I mean, a good therapist will take it a few steps further than "lie on the couch and tell me your feelings." I've been very, very lucky to have some great therapists who helped me work through my issues.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 11:30 PM
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I always saw myself as a middle-of-the-road American and I have some long-standing problems with our left wing, but the other side has gone so unimaginably far off the deep end that at this point I want absolutely nothing to do with them. At least the left shares my beliefs regarding LGBT rights, women's rights, racial issues, and bits and pieces of other stuff like healthcare. And for what it's worth, the alt-right would want me dead (I'm Jewish), and I've dated and generally feel positively ab…
/r/MensRights27/02/23 09:25 PM
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Sure, except it's not... Edit: Oh geez you're that guy who constantly screams "moving the goalposts!" to dodge taking responsibility for your words. No thanks, not interested in trading words with a troll today.
/r/MensRights25/02/23 04:51 PM
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Heaven forbid there be a few specific inequalities that harm men. That's not making anything a battle or blaming a gender, it's just pointing out a problem that needs to be rectified if we want to have true equality. I'm confused why you're here if you think that even pointing out double standards is equivalent to fueling the gender wars. Also, as I mentioned, "but women are raped more!" isn't correct, and even if it were, mentioning that in this context reads like an excuse to dismiss a men's i…
/r/MensRights25/02/23 04:26 PM
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https://www.unddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11biiis/lgbtq_genocide_is_happening_now_in_afghanistan He was an idiot who mistook moral relativism for "what makes genocide so bad if enough people agree with it?"
/r/MensRights25/02/23 04:20 PM
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That whole region of the world is basically an ongoing genocide against the LGBT community. It's reprehensible.
/r/MensRights25/02/23 04:16 PM
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Why make this a battle between genders? Especially when women obviously are victims a lot more often. She didn't make this a battle at all. You did. Also, as she pointed out, the way that rape is defined in many contexts of skewed towards male perpetrators. If you apply an egalitarian definition, men and women are raped at near-equal rates.
/r/MensRights25/02/23 04:04 PM
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This would probably constitute brigading and would harm this group, not theirs.
/r/MensRights25/02/23 11:57 AM
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It really does seem that way sometimes, and I don't understand why. AskWomenNoCensor seemed like a great place at first, until the mods started censoring opinions they didn't like (and sent me messages about hooking me up to a car battery when I objected). Before that, I participated in groups related to my childhood trauma around growing up in an abusive home, and invariably every single one of those groups turned into cesspools of "all men are rapists" (yes, I saw those words multiple times) a…
/r/MensRights25/02/23 11:52 AM
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Given that the first post explicitly says that masculinity is toxic, I'd say that they've crossed the line from dehumanizing and gone into full-on bigotry.
/r/MensRights25/02/23 11:40 AM
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Who tf is Paco
/r/MensRights24/02/23 10:31 PM
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In the full context of the article, the author isn't highlighting women's expectations, but rather, blaming the "emotional deficits" of men: Women are tiring of their stereotypical role as full-time therapist for emotionally distant men. They want a partner who is emotionally open and empathetic, the opposite of the age-old masculine ideal. “Today in America, women expect more from men,” Levant said, “and unfortunately, so many men don’t have more to give.” The same emotional deficits that hurt …
/r/MensRights23/02/23 05:38 PM
2

Maybe it's a really big 102 and a really small 100, like 102 100
/r/MensRights23/02/23 01:45 AM
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Damn, I hope people aren't treating you like that anymore. Did your username have anything to do with it? I had someone at work tell me that no woman would want to date me if I got a cat. (Spoiler alert: I got the cat anyway.) Some people are so unnecessarily judgemental.
/r/MensRights23/02/23 01:44 AM
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It's not an issue of legal rights, but it's still a men's issue worthy of discussion.
/r/MensRights23/02/23 01:36 AM
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“Today in America, women expect more from men,” Levant said, “and unfortunately, so many men don’t have more to give.” 🙄
/r/MensRights22/02/23 10:16 PM
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she continued to argue with me that opinions can’t be wrong "Excuse me. I didn't mean your opinion is correct or incorrect. I meant it's morally repugnant and born of bigotry." ...but maybe being so direct wouldn't fly at your workplace. 😃
/r/MensRights22/02/23 12:53 AM
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It definitely doesn't jive with the WaPo data that the number of year-long celibate men tripled in the past decade, while for women it only went up a point or two. And really, based on all the social issues we're seeing, the average number of sexual partners per gender, typical dating/breakup activity for each gender, etc., I know which dataset passes the smell test.
/r/MensRights22/02/23 12:41 AM
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"That issue faced by black people is a black people problem." Sounds bad, right? The TwoX's with going out of their way to not care about men is repulsive. They don't have to work on fixing the problem, of course, but in that case, just live your life with your own priorities, instead of constantly riling up the largest women's forum on the internet to treat men like second-class citizens. For the record, if things were swapped and women's loneliness had tripled in the past decade, I'd feel awfu…
/r/MensRights19/02/23 03:49 PM
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Dude I was just thinking about making a similar post. Aside from my mom, an abusive ex, and someone who repeatedly sexually assaulted me, women have been some of the best parts of my life. My best bosses were women. My best technical mentors were women. My best therapists and doctors were women. My sisters are awesome. When I had a severe mental health crisis years ago, the friends who stepped up for me the most and without asking for anything in return were women. I don't want to put women on a…
/r/MensRights19/02/23 03:37 PM
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I appreciate your attempt at empathizing with men, but the issues in this sub aren't about tradcon stuff like women "knowing their place" or standing by the oven in an apron waiting to greet their husbands. Women and men both deserve equality and equal opportunity. The problem isn't that we should return to placing these narrow expectations on women, it's that we need to have the same mentality of liberation for men.
/r/MensRights18/02/23 12:25 PM
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So infuriating and tragic. And people say that false accusations don't cause lasting harm...
/r/MensRights17/02/23 05:54 PM
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FYI, your link looks like it's been on the receiving end of a meat tenderizer.
/r/MensRights14/02/23 09:27 AM
0

No, we don't?...
/r/MensRights14/02/23 09:26 AM
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No, that's not what she's saying. She's advocating for men to be able to choose for themselves. That's very different than telling someone they should get an operation.
/r/MensRights11/02/23 11:06 PM
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Type 1a FGM is the removal of the clitoral hood, and it's a federal crime throughout the West. Tons of circumcised women are happy with the procedure too. Indonesian women actually approve of female circumcision more than American men do of male circumcision. So what? It's all wrong. Stop defending genital mutilation.
/r/MensRights11/02/23 11:02 PM
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"The risks of not being circumcised, however, are not only rare, but avoidable with proper care of the penis." Hmm...cut off part of someone's genitals, or teach them basic hygiene... The AAP's policy expired six years ago and it was criticized by the entire rest of the developed world at the time: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/131/4/796/31907/Cultural-Bias-in-the-AAP-s-2012-Technical-Report only 1 of the arguments put forward by the American Academy of Pediatrics has …
/r/MensRights11/02/23 06:01 PM
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Hard to say if it's inferior because it's not objective. Among men who were circumcised as adults, you find a lot of different outcomes. Some men deeply regret it while some say it's a massive improvement. ...Which is enough of an argument for bodily autonomy all on its own. We should let every man evaluate his own sexuality, instead of surgically imposing specific preferences on him. If your question is coming from a medical perspective, here's a good paper that was co-signed by medical profess…
/r/MensRights11/02/23 05:57 PM
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I live in America and I was cut by a religious nutjob. I'm not aware of a single country that requires male circumcision to be done by someone with a medical degree. In the U.S., it's not even regulated. Anyone could create a website and be allowed to cut baby penises. the CDC recommends the procedure No, they do not. doctors communicate the health benefits to parents If doctors communicated the benefits of routine double mastectomies to parents of young girls, would that justify irreversibly ro…
/r/MensRights11/02/23 05:50 PM
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#If I were a boy I'd be able to make choices about my own body Lol no she fucking wouldn't. And when she inevitably complained about it, people would collectively pepper her with nebulous dismissals such as "privilege!" and "fragility!"
/r/MensRights11/02/23 05:45 PM
6

You described the frustration with Onlyfans really well. It's definitely amplified with inflation being as high as it is right now.
/r/MensRights11/02/23 05:23 PM
3

Nowhere is there a woman gushing and fawning over women having only fans accounts……this portrayal isn’t a thing. I knew a couple irl who did exactly that.
/r/MensRights11/02/23 05:19 PM
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I stood up to my own boss at work once when he said something creepy about a new hire...but according to most of social media I'm an incel/misogynist for also believing men have systemic issues. The problem with feminist groups these days is that they want people standing up for them, and only them. When guys like me come along who believe in standing up for everybody, they should approve, but instead they melt down. The gender wars are so dumb.
/r/MensRights09/02/23 09:07 PM
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Many stats in the U.S. are derived from the same BS assumption.
/r/MensRights08/02/23 08:47 PM
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I think you might have forgotten to carry a few decimals for those numbers.
/r/MensRights08/02/23 08:45 PM
8

This is like the tofu of equality.
/r/MensRights06/02/23 10:09 PM
1

You just have to find the right helping relationship and trust the process. This is so true. I lucked out with a wonderful therapist who never made me feel like our relationship was purely clinical, and we developed a great rapport early on. It completely changed my life for the better. I do think that it's easier to talk things through over activities, but expressing one's feelings is so unsafe for men anyway that when I need to process my emotions, just having a place to name them has been inv…
/r/MensRights04/02/23 04:47 PM
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Wow, that was an incredible gesture on her part. I wish more people were like that.
/r/MensRights04/02/23 04:43 PM
3

Moreso just because the mod in question is literally pro-MGM.
/r/MensRights27/01/23 11:48 PM
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Friendly reminder that the most active menslib mod is pro-MGM, and that menslib is not a safe space to discuss male circumcision. Also, regardless of how you feel about what OP said, I don't see how it's ban-worthy. He has literature connecting circumcision to trauma - surely just saying "I doubt the connection is causal" is enough without permanently banning him? (Well, unless you're the pro-MGM mod of a subreddit known for male-blaming and gratuitous censorship...)
/r/MensRights27/01/23 11:46 PM
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You've been combative all over this thread with guys who are genuinely trying to validate how you're feeling. The guy just below me literally said he wouldn't shame you, yet you responding by telling him not to shame you. I'm genuinely baffled by how hostile you're being to people who are trying to offer empathy while answering the question you asked. Calling me an asshole, complaining over my use of italics, and telling me to fuck off...like I said, this whole thread and the hostility you're ex…
/r/MensRights27/01/23 03:45 PM
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First of all, I always feel compelled to say this when I see posts like yours, but thank you for the empathy and keeping an open mind. Also, obligatory disclaimer: I'm attempting to explain misogyny, but my intent isn't to excuse it. Is it negative past experiences? Is it a frustration with the dating scene and society as a whole? or is it really just as simple as hating women just because they’re women? I think there can be a lot of contributing factors. When it comes to internal reasons, I've …
/r/MensRights27/01/23 03:38 PM
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Could just be irritability from quitting porn. Maybe the next time they try to talk to you, just let them know that you've been feeling really irritated, but you aren't sure why and it's nothing they did. Something I've found to be true time and time again is that just by naming negative feelings out loud, they diminish a bit. And even if they don't, at least your parents aren't left wondering whether they did something wrong or worrying that there's something concerning going on in your life.
/r/MenSupportMen27/01/23 03:01 PM
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I made no assumptions on how you treat women. Genuinely no idea what you're talking about, dude. If you asked for unconditional support, that's what you would have gotten, but you literally asked how not to fall into misogyny. You got my answer: by taking responsibility for your feelings. That doesn't mean you are treating women poorly or that your feelings are invalid.
/r/MensRights27/01/23 07:55 AM
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You asked how to not fall into outright misogyny. I'm not sure what I could have said differently. I validated your feelings completely, and many others here have as well. I also offered my thoughts on how to not let those feelings manifest as misogyny. If you're taking the comments that you're getting here as judgement and condescension, then I honestly don't know what you're looking for.
/r/MensRights27/01/23 07:28 AM
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I just do my best to remind myself that the abusive women in my life were hurtful because they were abusive. That's the only word in that sentence that matters. I'd hate for someone to assume I'm an abuser merely for being a man, and I'm determined to treat everyone - women included - with the same humanity that I ask for from them. I had a big problem with boundaries earlier in my life, but once I gained a sense of self-worth and was able to quickly boot the bad women from my life, I found myse…
/r/MensRights27/01/23 07:03 AM
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Yeah, a couple tips: It sounds like you fundamentally don't respect yourself, and you're projecting that self-hate onto others. I get it, I've felt that way before, and still do sometimes on my tough days. But just remember, your girlfriend is choosing to date you, and your bosses chose to hire you. They want you there! It was kinda hard to tease out the different in your post between aggression and boundaries. This is something I'd bet a lot of men struggle with these days, because there's a 24…
/r/MenSupportMen24/01/23 02:09 AM
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+1. Plenty of women in my life who don't pull this kind of bullshit. The focus should be on why our culture condones male-blaming, not that "women" are the ones doing it.
/r/MensRights23/01/23 10:31 PM
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I think we do need to keep talking about it. People harp on men's groups for "just being anti-feminism," but when you have a group which has the international monopoly on gender politics and actively discriminates against men across the globe, people need to understand that what they believe is the baseline is actually bigotry. This isn't the first time we've ever dealt with something like this. Marriage used to be viewed as fundamental commitment between a man and a woman. Even being gay was se…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/23 05:55 PM
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I think both you are your therapist are right. It's a matter of taking things in context. Yes, the things that makes a woman classically attractive tend towards youth, but there are plenty of older women who look incredible. Also, looks aren't the be-all-end-all of dating. It matters, of course, but it's one factor in a complicated human equation. We could also find plenty of examples of golddigging women - that doesn't mean all women are golddiggers. It sounds like you're resorting to all-or-no…
/r/MensRights21/01/23 02:21 PM
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that men are somehow more lonely than other people I mean, statistically...yeah? that men have a special entitlement to NOT be lonely Classic TwoX: "any attempt to care about men is sexism." our culture tells men they have a right to sexual and romantic companionship from women Funny how it's always women who make this ridiculous claim. Do they realize that feminists basically created the "nice guy" by instilling sexual shame in young men? The problem is the expectation that has been instilled i…
/r/MensRights20/01/23 07:13 PM
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TRP is a modicum of decent advice wrapped in a mountain of misogyny. Imagine that a woman from TwoX said that men are all the same and only value women for the size of their chests. That would obviously strike you as ridiculous, right? One of the big problems with TRP (like most dating strategies) is that it self-selects for the partners who are compatible with it. If your approach to dating is negging, emotional abuse, and emphasizing your provider role, and you eventually find someone who stic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/23 12:31 AM
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Disturbing is an understatement. People who practice their circumfetishism on kids shouldn't be allowed to keep them.
/r/MensRights17/01/23 07:10 AM
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you're speaking from a place of privilege The privilege of being assaulted at the whims of a stranger and having everyone tell you the assailant's needs matter more than yours?
/r/MensRights15/01/23 11:32 PM
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She might not have picked the best thread to reply to, but I don't think she was intending to troll and invalidate. I've seen similar threads in TwoX, and depending on how things are phrased, it can be very easy to interpret those posts as saying that men don't struggle. Granted, I've noticed the same things as OP and I agree with him, but I get where the other user was coming from with her reply.
/r/MensRights14/01/23 11:53 PM
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I have noticed the EXACT same things. I've been telling this story a lot lately, but when I was first coming to grips with having dysfunctional, abusive parents, or the dating troubles I had at the time because of it, I posted about it in support groups. I didn't get much support or attention. I then made an account implying that I was a woman. I never explicitly lied, but the implication was there in the username, and it was enough. Suddenly, I was living in a different world: a world where peo…
/r/MensRights14/01/23 11:46 PM
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If he's 20, he's got plenty of time. There are people who don't start figuring out their shit until their 30s.
/r/MensRights14/01/23 11:30 PM
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The irony of saying education isn't essential...
/r/MensRights13/01/23 07:03 PM
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"this thing" - You.
/r/MensRights12/01/23 10:26 PM
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A thousand no's and one yes isn't consent. Man, I was with you in your first comment and I agree with the bit I cited here, but the decent into "men bad" as the comments progressed was just unnecessary. Replace men with any other group and tell me if it's still in any way acceptable.
/r/MensRights12/01/23 10:23 PM
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You can love women or you can understand women but you can't do both. This is ridiculous. It's possible to acknowledge the general differences between men and women and still care about both.
/r/MensRights12/01/23 04:21 PM
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Haha, my mom told me better to have ten sons than one daughter. Granted, she had her own issues and I never took it to heart. I wouldn't love a daughter any less than a son, but I always chuckled when she gave me that "advice."
/r/MensRights12/01/23 04:21 AM
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The concept of overarching male privilege is complete bullshit. It's designed to further the bigoted narrative that men as a gender oppress women. Of course, there are specific situations when men are privileged compared to women. I've seen women in tech be taken less seriously and be held to significantly higher standards for how they present themselves compared to men. There are absolutely cases when men have privilege...but there are also cases where women have privilege. Ironically, an examp…
/r/MensRights11/01/23 06:06 AM
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just like if you are white, ablebodied, rich etc. ...but not female?
/r/MensRights11/01/23 06:02 AM
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It isn’t like having a vulva gives people extra support When I made an account implying that I was a woman and told the exact same stories about my abusive parents, I received an ocean of support and empathy. On my original account, which was explicitly male, people barely gave a shit. Plenty of people of both genders get raped, but someone has to be delusional to think there is equal social and legal support for both male and female victims.
/r/MensRights11/01/23 06:01 AM
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What a psychopath. At least her name and picture is public so any potential partners can look her up and see how dangerous she is.
/r/MensRights11/01/23 05:59 AM
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No, we're against the double standards.
/r/MensRights10/01/23 04:02 PM
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Given how much feminists decry tradcons, it's funny how quickly they take that form the moment they're forced to consider actual equality.
/r/MensRights10/01/23 04:00 PM
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where they just get more for being men Zero credit for the longer hours worked, huh?
/r/MensRights09/01/23 12:32 PM
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Average active model, or is that the average across all site accounts, including inactive and intermittent posters?
/r/MensRights09/01/23 12:31 PM
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I've never gotten an answer to the question that if wives should be compensated for the unpaid labor of cooking and cleaning, should I as a man also receive a check from the government for cleaning my home when I'm single? Do I send the government photos proving that I dusted my bookshelf? It's such a ridiculous premise when you actually stop and think about it. Or idk, maybe I really am owed a decade of wages for cleaning my sink, who knows.
/r/MensRights09/01/23 12:21 PM
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Human rights and human rights.
/r/MensRights08/01/23 02:23 AM
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Do you expect that her labia will have been trimmed as a child to facilitate cleaning, or merely that she'll shower?
/r/MensRights07/01/23 09:49 PM
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so what? Epidemiology. you talking about one study among many Almost all of which are just post-hoc analyses of the problematic RCTs. Gonna leave this here Case in point. They didn't even use the updated data, and are still going with the outdated 60% number. They're basically saying, "based on the WHO's initial numbers, we estimate that the WHO has been successful." Also, I wasn't at all surprised to find that this useless pat on the back of a "study" was directly funded by both the WHO and the…
/r/MensRights07/01/23 04:48 PM
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almost all cases of FGM are performed in second and third would countries Those countries cut boys too. Also, 25% of FGM worldwide is performed by medical practitioners. The notion that male and female genital cutting are completely separate phenomena is a myth.
/r/MensRights07/01/23 04:28 PM
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Lmao you've spent no time looking into this Ironic.
/r/MensRights07/01/23 04:23 PM
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You mean, when an organ removed out of medical necessity to avoid a worsening medical condition and because the patient is in increasing amounts of pain? Still deflecting that you think it's okay to needlessly hurt someone if they won't remember.
/r/MensRights07/01/23 04:22 PM
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I've actually seen this particular guy stalking intactisnormal before (he really has been doing it for months). He doesn't just respond to the user directly, he'll also make up a bunch of personal attacks and leave adjacent responses. Blocking only prevents him from leaving nested replies.
/r/MensRights07/01/23 09:35 AM
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Of course, when called out on your horrible belief that it's okay to cause someone pain if they won't remember, the only thing you can do is deflect.
/r/MensRights07/01/23 09:24 AM
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Conscious memories are not necessary for trauma. Regardless, "it's okay to cause someone unnecessary pain if they won't remember it" is one of the most callous, problematic arguments I've ever heard.
/r/MensRights07/01/23 03:04 AM
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Circumcizion reduces the chances of contracting hiv This has not been replicated in Western studies, and the African RCTs upon which this claim is based had a ton of methodological issues, and also found that male circumcision increases a woman's risk of contracting HIV. It's sufficient enough to be part of the strategy Only if it's been sufficiently proven to even have that effect, and if it weren't mutually exclusive to safe sex (which is what we've found when studying other STDs). Actually, n…
/r/MensRights07/01/23 03:01 AM
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Nepal, India, and Israel. There's also the definition of rape in the U.S., which has excluded female-on-male rape for decades. It sounds like a group of feminists are dicks. Yes, the feminists who are actually influencing governments and affecting policy. At an individual level, I have no problem with my friends identifying as feminist because to them, it's merely a synonym for gender equality. However, when we are talking about the structural issues faced by men, it's not a question of how many…
/r/MensRights07/01/23 02:47 AM
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No, but feminist groups in multiple countries successfully blocking men from being legally recognized as rape victims sure seems like female supremacy to me.
/r/MensRights07/01/23 12:40 AM
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"Murderers disgust me." "Some murderers are women. You think women are disgusting?" That's the depth of your logic.
/r/MensRights07/01/23 12:24 AM
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I was circumcised in the name of religion and I mind very much. We shouldn't be permanently carving religious beliefs into babies' bodies.
/r/MensRights06/01/23 10:52 PM
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Nothing wrong with having a good looking weiner. So you modified a child's genitals based on your personal preferences? Am I reading that right? "Had my daughter's labia trimmed after she was born. Nothing wrong with having a cute vulva!" That's what it sounds like.
/r/MensRights06/01/23 10:51 PM
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Probably because he's inadvertently spreading the exact misinformation that pro-MGM and pro-FGM people use to continue their practices. The well-known worst forms of FGM are relatively uncommon, while some of the most prevalent forms of FGM involve non-invasive incisions or pinpricks. Comparing the worst, relatively uncommon FGM to the most common, medicalized MGM comes across as disingenuous. The bottom line is that there's a spectrum for both male and female genital mutilation. Even the pinpri…
/r/MensRights06/01/23 10:46 PM
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If you're in the U.S., this wouldn't work. They require everyone born male to register. It's not based on gender identity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/23 06:48 PM
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Wish I had something to show you. This isn't the first time someone's asked for screenshots that I've been unable to provide. I rarely take screenshots of others' activity unless it's something egregious from a mod, and all my old accounts are deleted at this point.
/r/MensRights04/01/23 11:45 PM
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I've had this experience. Unfortunately, I grew up in a dysfunctional family, and when I made posts in support subreddits that explicitly stated I was male, I got much less support, and even a bit of invalidation and anti-male sexism. When I kept my post gender-neutral, or deliberately made a username implying I was a woman without explicitly lying, I was treated to much more compassion and validation, and zero insults on those forums. Either way, I was telling the same stories about the exact s…
/r/MensRights04/01/23 05:02 PM
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Maybe, but I still wish I'd been given the choice. It's always easy to approve of something and wish it had been retroactively done without experiencing the drawbacks, but I'm still not comfortable with doing that at the expense of the choice of the person who it actually effects.
/r/MensRights04/01/23 03:41 PM
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Tbh man, what percentage of people who got circumcised actually are mad? In America, one in eight men. FGM in Indonesia literally has a higher approval rating among the women there, then MGM does in America. would be absolutely terrible Understanding why the operation is happening, getting general anesthesia as an adult, and being given pain medication during the recovery is worse than doing it to an infant merely because he won't consciously remember? I missed when ethics devolved to "it's okay…
/r/MensRights04/01/23 03:24 PM
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with being happy with your own body. That doesn't mean the practice of circumcising infants is okay. You cannot decide for anybody aside from yourself that functional, erogenous tissue is "extra skin."
/r/MensRights04/01/23 03:05 PM
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Didn't you know we are all part of the Hivemind of Patriarchy™ and can collectively will Google to do our bidding?
/r/MensRights29/12/22 03:17 AM
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Unless you'd also make the case that there are "moderate" and "good" Nazis out there. The difference is that many people have been misled to believe that feminism is a synonym for gender equality, and truly believe that definition. It isn't universally accepted as a hateful ideology the way Nazism is.
/r/MensRights29/12/22 03:11 AM
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the majority WITHOUT Christianity counted is Judaism This is still not how math works. Stay in school, bud. the headline has consistently been that religion is what is holding back mgm becoming legal You know what's funny is that I've never said otherwise. There's a difference between actively blocking progress (religion) and doing nothing when you have the ability to help (feminism). Weird that you thought a handful of online comments was enough to absolve an entire movement when that movement …
/r/MensRights25/12/22 01:35 PM
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I previously already said AFTER Christianity Yeah, then you said "alllll." after Christianity it's Judaism No, it absolutely is not. Christianity is the only majority religion in the United States, because as third grade math dictates, there can only be one majority of anything among a population. Sorry bud, 2 is not greater than 50, no matter how often you call people dumb. I didn't say he did You 100% did. "At various points during the performance, he stripped nude." Copy-pasted from your comm…
/r/MensRights25/12/22 12:34 AM
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Nah, her beliefs are her responsibility. Plenty of people go through abuse without coming out the other side as bigots.
/r/MensRights24/12/22 06:08 PM
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Dumb fuck. I already provided proof that shows Judaism is a majority religion in America when compared to alllllll the other religions in America Lmao, "alllllll"? You're now not only saying 2% is a majority, but that it's a majority compared to Christianity? Whatever you're smoking, please dial down the dosage. You sure about that??? Uhhhhhh...yes. Yep. I am sure. They haven't been silent A few random comments and articles are irrelevant. They are not the people in power. A random person on the…
/r/MensRights24/12/22 06:04 PM
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I showed you proof but you're too stupid to understand it. 2% isn't a majority, lol. We're very literally a minority group. Can't be religion. Can't be the the society we live in. Can't be century long societal and religious norms. It can be, and it is. All those things have impeded progress on getting this issue addressed. But feminism is uniquely positioned to tackle issues related to genital integrity. People listen to feminists when they champion bodily autonomy. They are done for different …
/r/MensRights24/12/22 04:43 PM
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Your little feelings don't change actual facts. Like that Judaism isn't a majority religion. Like that Clopper isn't anti-Semitic, and he literally didn't strip nude. That's a bald-faced lie, but I'm not surprised you're repeating it. I never blamed feminism for the number of donations, weirdo. (Although again, when they're the ones in power, the ones claiming to also care about men, and the ones who dominate the discourse on the issue...yeah, donating or even just giving Clopper more publicity …
/r/MensRights24/12/22 11:02 AM
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Oh, it seems like you're just running around throwing tantrums and calling everyone and everything you don't like "dumb fucks." Good to know. It's the holidays, bud. Step away from the keyboard, cool down, and spend some time with your loved ones. You're trying to rile others up and just getting yourself worked up.
/r/MensRights23/12/22 10:15 PM
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they shouldn't be, but they are. Yep, exactly. They shouldn't be. So why are you absolving the very people who champion genital integrity from the double standards they hold? You're acting like it's just some law of nature that they be treated differently, instead of a consequence of how feminism has framed the issue. Christianity and Judaism aren't the majority religions in the United States? I love how you went on to insult me like a child when this is such an absurd assertion. Judaism is nowh…
/r/MensRights23/12/22 10:10 PM
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and then when it came to mgm they said "nah, we got ours" Yes, that's exactly what happened. Bruh you understand circumcisions are attached to two majority religions in America, right? Neither of them are a majority, but...so what? FGM is important for many Muslims. That didn't stop us from banning the practice, and even prosecuting someone who was performing it as part of her faith. This is like saying, "bruh, you know how many people in America wouldn't want black folks voting? It's a tricky i…
/r/MensRights23/12/22 06:18 PM
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they're also against male genital mutalation just like they are female genital mutalation If America passed a whites-only voting law, would anybody buy the excuse that "we totally support minority voting rights, guys, but you gotta pass your own bill"? No. That wouldn't be acceptable. It would be overt white supremacy. Yet in the U.S., we've had the Female Genital Mutilation Act in one form or another for almost 30 years, explicitly excluding boys from a fundamental human right, and people give …
/r/MensRights23/12/22 03:47 PM
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That makes more sense. Thanks for the link.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 11:08 PM
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There are plenty of decent folks out there, too! The people I cut out of my life were definitely the exception, not the rule.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 09:23 PM
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Yeah, most people are definitely NOT like those friends I cut loose. It's just such a bizarre story of blatant, almost comical levels of bigotry that it's always worth sharing when this stuff comes up.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 09:23 PM
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She literally called someone below "bitch boy." She's reinforcing the exact toxic norms she claims to decry.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 07:21 PM
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Let's not. This seems like a low key way to judge OP for whatever else she's struggling with in her life. There's plenty of hate in her words here to disagree with. We don't need to profile stalk too.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 06:47 PM
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tl;dr of OP's mindset: "No hate, but y'all fuckin suck."
/r/MensRights21/12/22 06:46 PM
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Now go make me a sandwich Can we not.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 06:44 PM
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Uh huh. Women's lived experiences are sacred and apparently a justification for bigotry. My lived experiences are just women "sick of my shit." Got it. You aren't even attempting to couch your double standards in anything palatable. There are ways men are privileged and ways that women are privileged, but you seem intent on lashing out the moment men say that there are ways our struggles are overlooked.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 06:41 PM
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all the things that men are judged and bullied for are associated with femininity and women and whiny bitch boy You said both of these, right?
/r/MensRights21/12/22 06:33 PM
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You said a lot more than that.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 06:30 PM
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Let me guess, you also think that the lived experiences of women should be taken seriously and not invalidated by men.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 06:29 PM
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I have met normal feminists that just believe feminism = women's rights Yes, 100% this. As much as we rail on feminism in this sub, it's not ubiquitously understood to be bad the way something like Nazism is. Many people who self-identify as feminists really do believe in treating people equally, they've just been told their whole lives that those principles are synonymous with feminism. Many of us were in the same boat for a while, too. Some of the best, most supportive women in my life identif…
/r/MensRights21/12/22 06:17 PM
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I have faced more issues and vitriol for being a man in America than for being Jewish.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 06:08 PM
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The pay gap has been a myth for a long, long time. One in three women are raped now? This number keeps getting inflated every time I see it. Do you know how often men are raped? Oh wait, we don't track that properly because women's groups fought against it. while men are praised for doing the bare minimum A woman telling men what it's like to be a man. Amazing. men hold primary power This is just delusion. A few men hold power, yet the male gender overall is worse and worse off, while women's ad…
/r/MensRights21/12/22 06:06 PM
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the patriarchy "All sexism against men is actually sexism against women!" Good one. u wanna complain about not having rights? Yep. Like the right to genital integrity, the right to bodily autonomy (conscription, paternal surrender), the right to due process, the right to presumption of innocence, the right to the same DV resources as women, the right to have male rape victims legally recognized (which feminist groups have successfully fought against in multiple countries). shut the fuck up Lol n…
/r/MensRights21/12/22 06:01 PM
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Yeah, it's gotten really pervasive across all forms of media. Even when I was in school, there were shirts with stuff like "the future is female," and tons of conversations about male privilege and how men as a gender oppress women. It's not just the derision men face, though. It's also the lack of positive messaging. We've coined a dozen terms that associate bad behavior with masculinity, and I heard nothing growing up reinforcing the validity of my sexuality or the worth of my gender. In fact,…
/r/MensRights21/12/22 02:18 AM
0

Bruh, that's three /r/menandfemales violations in one comment. A judge is gonna take away your license if you get another ticket.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 02:04 AM
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They knew. That argument was the last conversation I had with them. I wasn't interested in hashing it out with them a second time, having the guy say male rape victims don't matter and having the girl say I wasn't thinking straight because of my own experience with sexual assault. Those aren't the kind of people who deserved any sort of formal goodbye. Once they revealed who they were, it was time for me to bail.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 02:01 AM
14

TIL my older sister would be best friends with Buzz Buttyear.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 01:50 AM
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I love cats. Have one myself, and she gets along so well with the dogs! There's something about when that fuzzy little kitty crawls up onto my lap that's just perfect. When I was first thinking about adopting a cat, a coworker said it was strange and that women would be weirded out by it. A few months later I had a cat and a relationship that ended up lasting three years. Shows what that judgy idiot from work knew!
/r/MensRights21/12/22 01:47 AM
5

You are so desperate to make others feel as miserable as you clearly are. If you weren't being such a jackass and trying overly hard to insult everyone else's masculinity, just to shore up your own paper-thin ego, people might pity you. Your problems are that no one believes a tryhard braggart like you, and that I couldn't care less whether you thought I was a casanova out for his daily jog, or an overweight shut-in with a mountain of mental health issues. Unlike you, I find value and happiness …
/r/MensRights20/12/22 08:57 PM
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Lol, classic. Gets called out on blatant rage-filled comments, and suddenly leaves something calm and collected. "I'm not mad, bro. I'm just sipping coffee bro. I swear bro." It's so transparent it wouldn't even leave a shadow. I have two words for you: anger management.
/r/MensRights20/12/22 08:39 PM
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I know this insult is overused, but you are genuinely creepy for even suggesting that. You really, really need some kind of anger management. You're lashing out like a caged animal, not an adult with basic social skills or the ability to self-regulate.
/r/MensRights20/12/22 08:28 PM
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You are very obviously the most miserable person here, bud. Log off reddit and seek anger management. It'll help you much more than browbeating people on social media like you're 12.
/r/MensRights20/12/22 08:15 PM
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/r/ihavesex
/r/MensRights20/12/22 08:09 PM
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A former friend called me a misogynist once for mentioning that male rape victims don't get enough acknowledgement. We weren't even talking about women. She just decided that it was misogynistic to spare ten seconds for considering male victims. Oh, then her boyfriend followed up with that there aren't enough male rape victims to matter. Ditched those wonderful people a year ago. They're so toxic and oblivious that from what I hear, everyone else is slowly distancing themselves from them too. Bu…
/r/MensRights20/12/22 08:08 PM
1

Extremes such as all and every are statistical impossibilities Ironically, you're applying an extreme to this logic to reach this conclusion. This is just absurd. Are you even old enough to have a degree? If it were true this discussion wouldn't exist This does not follow at all. My god, I did not say boys aren't trafficked Oh, pardon me, you merely said that boys aren't victims of actual trafficking. The compulsive liar continues to lie... a kid in a hospital getting snipped by a surgeon going …
/r/MensRights19/12/22 07:48 PM
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it's automatically false Lol, this is just denial on your part. the fact you people are so anti women in this sub The accusations of a compulsive liar. Oof. When it comes to women, there's actual trafficking Yes, and there's actual trafficking of boys too. Not that I'd expect you to be aware since you're so flippant about their rights: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2018/02/08/boys-silent-victims-sex-trafficking/1073799001/ Never mind that even a non-invasive pinprick is class…
/r/MensRights19/12/22 07:16 PM
1

It is indeed. Don't mistake your ignorance for me lying. Every medical recommendation that exists regarding infant circumcision recommends against it. America is an outlier, and the AAP's 2012 policy (which expired five years ago and explicitly held off from recommending RIC) was panned at the time by representatives of 30+ medical organizations throughout the developed world: only 1 of the arguments put forward by the American Academy of Pediatrics has some theoretical relevance in relation to …
/r/MensRights19/12/22 06:39 PM
1

Yep, I, the guy in agreement with the majority medical opinion and able to acknowledge basic human rights and basic male anatomy, am using words incorrectly. Good one. Say it with me: genital integrity is a human right.
/r/MensRights19/12/22 06:30 PM
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Aaaaand more narcicissm. I guess all those intact men who value the foreskin's functions and sensations are liars then. Never mind the violation inherent to the needless loss of genital integrity. Seems more like you're projecting your compulsive lying onto everyone else. Might want to stop that. Say it with me: genital integrity is a human right.
/r/MensRights19/12/22 06:27 PM
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It might matter. For some guys it's irrelevant, while for others it's a core part of their sexuality. How curious that you are so self-absorbed (in addition to the compulsive lying) that you think your opinions about your own genitals apply to all men.
/r/MensRights19/12/22 06:24 PM
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It's functional mucosal tissue, not merely "skin," and given that there isn't an iota of anti-vax content in the entire history of this account, you are indeed a compulsive liar.
/r/MensRights19/12/22 06:21 PM
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Whoa such an astounding revelation Apparently it is to you, since you're trying to excuse MGM by acting like that "little piece of skin" doesn't become a much larger source of function and erogenous tissue with age. Wow and you're an antivaxxer I am not the least bit shocked that you are a compulsive liar.
/r/MensRights19/12/22 06:18 PM
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You know that the "little piece of skin" grows with the rest of the body, right?
/r/MensRights19/12/22 03:37 PM
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Yes, cutting functional, erogenous parts off of a child's genitals for no good reason is a totally reasonable thing to defend. (Sarcasm, in case my disdain for genital mutilation wasn't clear enough.)
/r/MensRights19/12/22 03:35 PM
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How many have you asked? I wish I'd been given the choice.
/r/MensRights19/12/22 03:33 PM
1

Also no it does not remove nerve endings. You cannot seriously believe this. Do you actually think the foreskin is completely numb skin? don't spread false narratives That BS article cites a self-described circumsexual wisely known in the literature for abusing established grading systems to engineer reviews promulgating his fetish, his partner who is just as well-known for that and lying about their citations, and African RCTs which were horribly flawed to the point that actual Western doctors …
/r/MensRights19/12/22 03:29 PM
1

That's on feminism, not women. Plenty of men have marched for women's rights, and barely anyone of either gender have marched for men's rights.
/r/MensRights19/12/22 03:17 PM
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By the rest of the developed world: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23509170 only 1 of the arguments put forward by the American Academy of Pediatrics has some theoretical relevance in relation to infant male circumcision; namely, the possible protection against urinary tract infections in infant boys, which can easily be treated with antibiotics without tissue loss. The other claimed health benefits, including protection against HIV/AIDS, genital herpes, genital warts, and penile cancer, are qu…
/r/MensRights18/12/22 08:13 PM
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From that same page: "The risks of not being circumcised, however, are not only rare, but avoidable with proper care of the penis." RIC apologists always seem to omit that for some reason...
/r/MensRights18/12/22 08:12 PM
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If losing a little sensitivity allows me to last long enough Not how it works, lol. I'm tired of you anti-circumcision activists Yes, this is what women in girl-cutting countries say, too. Yet we still call the act of cutting children mutilation, because that's what it is. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with being happy in your own skin. Your energy would be better directed towards advocating for women's reproductive rights. There are entire international networks of groups fighting fo…
/r/MensRights18/12/22 08:10 PM
5

You would not have a good time in India, lol.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 06:40 PM
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Damn, not often that we find FGM victims in these threads here. Hope we can get to a place someday where everyone's genital integrity is protected across all cultures.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 06:33 PM
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like having a flap of skin America moment. I used to think the foreskin was a "flap of skin" too.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 06:31 PM
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Mayo Clinic: "The risks of not being circumcised, however, are not only rare, but avoidable with proper care of the penis." Weird how pro-circ comments always seem to omit this sentence. Also: UTIs are easily addressed through antibiotics, babies aren't contracting STIs (remember, we're talking about infant circumcision), and penile cancer is already exceptionally rare, and we have the HPV vaccine in men to address cervical cancer. That's why the majority medical opinion is that circumcision's s…
/r/MensRights18/12/22 06:30 PM
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so your opinion is that women will be aroused less and men will have shittier orgasms because of circumcision Looks like he deleted his entire account, but no, large-sample surveys are not "opinion." It's perfectly possible for individuals who experience sex before and after circumcision to say things improved, but that's an individual phenomenon, which is why the choice should be up to the individual. Also as others have said, the health benefits are negligible and not a relevant justification …
/r/MensRights18/12/22 06:17 PM
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Sounds like the problem is that you're hanging around with selfish brats.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 02:50 PM
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Loss of erogenous tissue is an inherent harm. People should have the right to decide which parts of their own bodies are valuable. There's also the fact that the foreskin has multiple functions and erogenous zones, and that there are several studies demonstrating that male anorgasmia and female arousal issues both increase with male circumcision...but none of that should even be relevant when we're talking about cutting off part of a child's body for no good reason. Or are there other body parts…
/r/MensRights18/12/22 02:43 PM
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Yeah, in cultures where genital cutting is normalized, most victims believe it's net neutral or beneficial. That doesn't make it okay to needlessly cut off part of a child's genitals. Also, among American men, false beliefs correlate with circumcision satisfaction, so at least some of that widespread tolerance is possibly due to swallowing misinformation that we use to normalize the practice.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 02:31 PM
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Why do you keep copy-pasting this question to people who are already asking because they don't know?
/r/MensRights18/12/22 02:26 PM
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i’m sorry but it is not a competition about who’s more discriminated against. and no, men are not discriminated more as they hold most of the power It's not a competition guys!!! but imma slip this one bit in here real quick anyway.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 05:41 AM
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I find that tweet's story as believable as season 2 of The Witcher.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 05:37 AM
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Damn, that idiot must have been speedrunning an account ban.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 05:36 AM
3

Sure, but the post explicitly says "all men are bastards."
/r/MensRights18/12/22 12:29 AM
3

You missed his point if you just clicked on his first link. The explanation is in his comment.
/r/MensRights17/12/22 05:03 PM
4

Obamacare provides screening and counseling for domestic violence...for women only. It's the most needlessly gendered thing ever. Even if virtually all DV victims were women, there is no good reason to deny any victims their human dignity based on gender.
/r/MensRights17/12/22 05:02 PM
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tackling the patriarchy Tackling a non-specific bogeyman - instead of addressing concrete men's issues with easily defined policy - will get us nowhere. it's not something you just out source to women or female feminists When feminists are the ones with all the privilege regarding gender politics and policy, and it many cases are using that privilege to actively deny men our rights, yeah we're gonna call them out.
/r/MensRights17/12/22 04:53 PM
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It's more just that they assume women's natural tendencies are good, and men's natural tendencies are harmful. Look at early education or the field of psychology. Both have an ethos of "taming" men (horrible word choice on my part, but I can't think of something better) and assuming that if men processed information more like women, they'd be healthier and happier.
/r/MensRights17/12/22 04:37 PM
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Of course not. Most of the time, those accusations are unfounded complaints like "9 out of the top 10 posts are just women-hating!" When I catch those comments live, I check the front page here and they're always lying. They never say anything when I call them out on it, though... Most of the rest of the time, it's either people using the bullshit term "manosphere" to characterize all men's groups by the worst ones, or cherry-picking some obscure comment in this sub, which might not have even be…
/r/MensRights16/12/22 06:56 PM
1

Funny how when someone isn't lockstep in agreement with you they're "worked up". Funny how you assume it's because we disagree, instead of the fact that you're being disproportionately combative over a series of remarkably uncontroversial comments on my part. You're mind-reading now just to have something to pick at. You wouldn't be using an accusation (and assumption) of emotionality to discredit an MRA, would you? Nope! You wouldn't be resorting to basic cognitive fallacies to drag this conver…
/r/MensRights16/12/22 06:43 PM
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I mean, if you truly believe that "MRA" is predicated on misogyny then that would be a fair assessment, but this seems like a case of "same-sides"-ing two movements which aren't as equivalent as their labels suggest. Also, just because people accuse this group of something, doesn't mean it's necessarily true.
/r/MensRights16/12/22 04:29 PM
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Please read my entire comment. There is no point. I have tried in the past, and had my comments immediately removed, and even been banned from a few feminist subreddits. I do call out both sides when and where I can. And honestly, given that I'm very invested in this movement, I probably have 10 or 20 comments criticizing feminism for every one comment "policing" our side or criticizing things MRA-related, so if anything the balance of my replies sway heavily the other way. Honestly, my comment …
/r/MensRights16/12/22 04:24 PM
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No, but only because it'd be futile and they'd ban me in a heartbeat. Feminism is arguably the most censorious ideology on social media. But I condemn feminism and its hatred constantly, both within this sub and in general conversation. I don't see why embracing true egalitarianism on this topic is being met with such combativeness.
/r/MensRights16/12/22 04:18 PM
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I knew exactly what this video was before I clicked on it. I wish more people of all backgrounds had the curiosity and empathy of Cassie Jaye.
/r/MensRights16/12/22 04:16 PM
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Why should men be expected to take the moral high ground It's not about holding men in particular to different standards, it's just holding everyone to the same standard that I hold others.
/r/MensRights16/12/22 04:10 PM
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I was referring to genital integrity. You're just being ignorant.
/r/MensRights16/12/22 06:32 AM
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People always check my profile and say things like, "bro, you're way too obsessed with circumcision/men's issues, get a life." They don't even realize that I have an account just for these comments because they attract creeps who sift through old comments looking for material for personal attacks. I'm not going to post pictures of my dogs, my house, and my face to the same account where creepy keyboard warriors are attracted to profile stalking like flies to honey. That's just common sense.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 04:16 PM
1

"being covered in bitches and all"
/r/MensRights13/12/22 04:04 PM
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"No misogyny, promise"
/r/MensRights13/12/22 01:31 PM
1

Uhhh, I'm four days late to this thread but I just want to say that your friends are trash. I know it's easier said than done, especially if you've known them for a long time, but you need to cut these assholes out of your life ASAP and seek healthier relationships. You aren't going to feel better about yourself as long as you're surrounded by people who pick at your insecurities.
/r/MenSupportMen09/12/22 04:57 AM
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I'm so sorry. It sounds like she lived a good life with lots of love. I think losing pets so painful because it feels more akin to losing a child than a parent. Some pets are with us for longer, some for less. I know someone who had to say goodbye to a dog after only six years due to illness. But that dog was loved for as long as she was on this Earth, and ultimately that's what matters. Rest in peace, Panini. I'm sure she's waiting to be reunited with you someday.
/r/MenSupportMen09/12/22 04:53 AM
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I have seen way more comments on TwoX decrying "not all men," or even proclaiming "YES all men," than those willing to add simple but meaningful disclaimers to their comments. Also, are you really surprised that we're seeing comments like the one you linked? Men have been told our whole lives that society has raised us to be entitled, objectifying beasts. But the moment that theory is turned around and people start theorizing whether women have been raised in ways that could harm men, people sta…
/r/MensRights08/12/22 02:18 PM
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Yeah, I've gotten the "who hurt you" and "if you actually knew a woman..." comments more times than I can count, but in actuality most of the people who have had a positive impact on my life are women. I'm not going to use the abusive ex or the woman who SA'd me a bunch of times as excuses to hate all women. Women are great. So are men. There are a lot of good people out there.
/r/MensRights08/12/22 02:12 PM
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I'm generally happier when I'm on social media less, although in this post-pandemic era where I've been very privileged to work from home, sometimes it makes a nice distraction until I rope myself into protracted arguments. It can be a wonderful way to connect with other people, though. I mean, I mostly use this specific account to talk about sensitive topics (men's rights and Judaism) that garner lots of arguments and profile stalkers, but I have another hobby account where I'm constantly posti…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 04:07 AM
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I hate how often I've agreed with this statement...via some kind of account on social media.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 03:58 AM
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misogyny is at best a statistical anomaly (i.e. so rare that you'd have to leave no stone unturned to find just one misogynist) This is honestly a pretty ridiculous statement. I've seen (and called out, for what it's worth) genuine misogyny in my own life from other guys. Every woman I've dated has had stories which are unambiguously rooted in misogyny. Just because misogyny is now an insult du jour and is often misapplied or overextended, doesn't mean misogyny itself is non-existant. The study …
/r/MensRights06/12/22 03:57 AM
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Yes, those years show other numbers. Of course it fluctuates. Right now, women are victims slightly more than men. The numbers are never exactly the same, and if you think that by me mentioning equal rates, I'm saying that the numbers are always identical, then you're leaning on a hollow gotcha to win an argument. You're acting like I'm using some deliberate ideological tunnel vision by referring to the 2010 and 2011 studies, when in reality it's just the easiest to refer to because those are al…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 03:38 AM
2

The article does address those points. The CDC survey and the national victimization survey use a gendered defintion of rape that omits many male victims of rape. The "facts" you're referring to can be summarized as: "if rape is defined solely as forced penetration, then male rape women significantly more than vice versa." Which, of course, is an ideological conclusion not born of the full data. I'm not disputing that #2 is true, I'm saying that it doesn't have to do with what we're arguing abou…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 03:08 AM
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The current application of the definition may cast a bit too wide a net, but the article gets it wrong in the beginning by suggesting how we should define rape more narrowly in surveys. A drunken hookup isn't rape, but someone sober sleeping with someone blackout drunk is - no physical force or threats required, which is suggested by the article at the beginning. This is where statistics get a bit messy, but relying on assumptions to clean out the cruft is not the way to go. And no, arguing that…
/r/MensRights05/12/22 09:14 PM
3

It speculates that the numbers might be too high and posits a bunch of questions that should be addressed. However, by the current way we tally rape statistically, which was established by one of the most decorated feminists of the past generation, men and women rape each other at equal rates. And yep, there you are leaning on an overly-specific parenthetical to say "women are affected more by this subset." If we were playing these word games about anyone other than men, you would've been chased…
/r/MensRights05/12/22 08:41 PM
3

Again with the cherry-picking. Yes, the article said those things. It also said the things I mentioned above regarding other demographics and types of rape, including coercion. Put it all together, and either women rape men as often as men rape women, or we need to reexamine the nuance of what we're calling rape altogether and see what conclusion we reach. If you truly want to categorize rape solely as physically violent encounters, that's your prerogative, but virtually nobody, feminist or othe…
/r/MensRights05/12/22 08:23 PM
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I'm going to break this down for you in the off-chance that English isn't your first language (which is fine), and you're genuinely struggling with reading comprehension regarding the Time article. The portion that you posted says that among the very specific form of rape involving physical violence, and among the very specific demographic of adults where the man is (on average) stronger than the woman, women are more often the victim. Hopefully, any human being with a brain cell can acknowledge…
/r/MensRights05/12/22 07:47 PM
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This is absolutely delusional. Re-read what you pasted. That alone should suffice. If it doesn't, you can read the portion of the paragraph that you chose to omit, but that shouldn't even be necessary.
/r/MensRights05/12/22 07:23 PM
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What you just cited in no way refutes any of the points I was trying to make.
/r/MensRights05/12/22 03:47 PM
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If a group fought against black rape victims being legally recognized, we would call it white supremacy. If a group created a policy that explicitly said a partner's being black was a driving factor in interracial abuse and that the white partner should be assumed the victim, we would call it white supremacy. If a group used its privilege to pass bodily autonomy laws exclusively for white people, while telling black people to "pass your own laws," we would call it white supremacy. When false acc…
/r/MensRights05/12/22 02:01 PM
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This is very much a "speak for yourself" kind of comment. Modern feminism is garbage, and I absolutely do love the women in my life, from my sisters and friends to the best of my doctors, therapists, and bosses. Most of my exes are good people, too, although obviously I wouldn't say I love them.
/r/MensRights05/12/22 01:51 PM
2

Woosh. Stop erasing male rape victims.
/r/MensRights05/12/22 01:35 PM
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#1 and #3 are addressed by the article, and #2 is just you padding out your comment to make it look like you have more points than you do. If you even skimmed the article, you would know this. You're wrong, and you're an ideologue who is erasing male rape victims.
/r/MensRights05/12/22 01:34 PM
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Every time people talk about historical oppression, I'm reminded that they care more about women who died centuries ago than men who are alive today. That's how little they value men.
/r/MensRights04/12/22 01:25 PM
12

There was an upvoted comment on TwoX a while back complaining about how annoying it was that people from this sub always had sources. Like...sorry, but not really.
/r/MensRights04/12/22 01:18 PM
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https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/ And now the real surprise: when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to penetrate”—either by physical force or due to intoxication—at virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011). In other words, if being made to penetrate someone was counted as rape—and why shouldn’t it be?—then the headlines could have focused on a truly sensational CDC finding: that…
/r/MensRights04/12/22 01:09 PM
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I honestly hate these "oppression Olympics" threads because they always end up with everyone feeling angry and invalidated, but some of what you said here is just factually wrong. Men are assaulted (and killed) more often than women, we're abused and raped at near-equal rates, and we face plenty of job discrimination too.
/r/MensRights04/12/22 05:52 AM
6

If I lost 30 months of my life to a false accusation, I would be completely inconsolable. I would likely miss saying goodbye to my first pup (she has cancer), and that would destroy me for life. The fact that you're putting your life back together and continuing to fight is so incredibly brave. I hope you get all the justice you seek. Anything less would be a horrible miscarriage.
/r/MensRights03/12/22 01:56 PM
5

I've heard this, too. Granted, my best managers (and I'm not just talking "good," I'm saying above-and-beyond bosses who advocate for their employees) have all been women, but it seems like a really common theme among the women in both my family and my workplace that having too many female coworkers drives them up the wall.
/r/MensRights02/12/22 10:20 PM
2

I love cats, but lots of people have had bad experiences with cats or grown up with family members who did. My entire family hates cats. When I told my grandmother that I'd adopted my first kitty, she verbally recoiled over the phone. I think some of it is a misunderstanding of how to read/treat cats, but all the same, cats aren't for everyone.
/r/MensRights02/12/22 10:16 PM
1

+1 for pets. You have to be willing to care for them, of course, they can't just be adopted as a quick fix for loneliness, but yeah, pets are truly wonderful.
/r/MensRights02/12/22 10:13 PM
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If any harm befalls her in prison, England will probably just use it to further their agenda to keep female offenders out of prisons entirely.
/r/MensRights02/12/22 10:09 PM
1

What the fuck.
/r/MensRights02/12/22 10:04 PM
9

He was also the architect of Dear Colleague, which kickstarted the college campus Salem Witch Trials redux and snowballed into #MeToo.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/22 03:52 PM
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Yeah, honestly, this is the reason. People say "it's just about men going their own way," but the mgtow subreddit was an incredibly toxic, hateful place. If the larger philosophy is benign, then fine, but people who actually want MGTOW to be seen as a legitimate movement should be relieved that the subreddit was removed.
/r/MensRights02/12/22 03:46 PM
3

In theory, yeah, but even if it doesn't, it's a horribly outdated practice and is basically institutional bigotry. They literally tried to amend California's state constitution to allow discrimination based on protected traits to push this BS: https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_16,_Repeal_Proposition_209_Affirmative_Action_Amendment_(2020) Talk about self-aware wolves...
/r/MensRights02/12/22 03:39 PM
3

This was not the response I was hoping for. It seems like you're just here to blame, and from your reply it seems like you didn't even read my comment. Take care.
/r/MensRights01/12/22 03:14 PM
2

I think there are three things here you're accidentally conflating. The first is hateful incel ideology, including misogyny, violence, and racism. Very few people here will defend that. Any time someone has tried and I've responded, they get downvoted while I get upvoted. Not the most objective measure, but the bottom line is that I haven't seen support for that kind of hatred. The second is self-described incels who are struggling, and are maybe resentful of their situation, but aren't violent …
/r/MensRights01/12/22 11:25 AM
3

No no, we should definitely make wimba an official part of the English language.
/r/MensRights30/11/22 07:50 PM
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If there's a limit on retirement contributions, there should sure as hell be a limit on child support.
/r/MensRights30/11/22 07:33 PM
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I'll probably take my fiance's last name, I hate mine. In general, the rule should be that as long as both partners are on the same page, they can do whatever they want.
/r/MensRights29/11/22 03:23 PM
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Yeah, like I said, it's pure luck. The very first therapist I tried ended up being a long-term thing, she was absoutely fantastic. I needed a few specialists at one point, and again, they were all incredible. I wish I could clone them and pass them along to everyone here. Guess my luck from losing all those stupid raffles as a kid finally evened out.
/r/MensRights29/11/22 01:37 AM
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That's obviously not what he was saying.
/r/MensRights28/11/22 04:21 PM
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Shooting people up is not a natural reaction. Resorting to indiscriminate acts of violence is not a natural reaction. Men are not inherently hyper-violent beings.
/r/MensRights28/11/22 02:25 AM
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Man it's heartbreaking to see how many guys have had bad experiences with therapy. I've been very, very lucky with pretty much every mental health professional I've had, and my life is much better because of it. But some of the horror stories I read here are just awful. How those monsters are still allowed to practice psychology is beyond me.
/r/MensRights28/11/22 02:24 AM
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Guys I'm like 99% sure this comment was sarcasm.
/r/MensRights27/11/22 12:33 PM
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Now do race. Or is gender-based discrimination the only acceptable bigotry for you?
/r/MensRights27/11/22 12:31 PM
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Reminds me of a random AITA post where the OP was eating with her boyfriend's family, and after the meal, the men went into the living room and the women retreated to the kitchen to gossip and clean. She started calling people out and genuinely thought she was some kind of savior to the other women...who were of course just humiliated. As the top comment in TwoX says (to the user's credit): When I was growing up, my mom, grandma, three sisters and I did all the cooking, and we enjoyed it, cause …
/r/MensRights26/11/22 05:30 PM
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https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/ If being made to penetrate someone was counted as rape—and why shouldn’t it be?—then the headlines could have focused on a truly sensational CDC finding: that women rape men as often as men rape women.
/r/MensRights25/11/22 04:58 PM
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most of them are men That doesn't mean most men are the legislators. This is logic 101... men are at the center of this problem Whatever you say, sexist bully. 👍
/r/MensRights25/11/22 04:47 PM
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i support shaming the people that deserve it Right, but when you're body shaming, that's not what you're doing. Do you not even understand what body shaming is or why it's problematic? like the microdicked neckbeards that believe they are owed sex Okay? Weird non-sequitur. or the fragile males that believe that the world has it out for them Given how quickly you went from 0 to 60, and how that ironically demonstrates more fragility on your part than the people you're responding to, I have a feel…
/r/MensRights25/11/22 04:43 PM
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Cool, so blame them, not men. You're engaging in textbook bigotry by failing to make that distinction, especially when you can recognize it. There are black people who commit acts of unwarranted violence in the name of black liberation. That doesn't mean it's okay to say "black people commit violence."
/r/MensRights25/11/22 04:40 PM
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Yes. I am pro-choice for women, and I support "paper abortion" for men. (I prefer the term parental surrender - people get touchy about associating the word abortion with men.)
/r/MensRights25/11/22 04:35 PM
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men don’t gestate babies, so they shouldn’t get to choose on behalf of women He didn't say that they should. is supremely stupid bullshit It's also true. People have different priorities. I thought feminists weren't supposed to shame women for the decisions they made. to further justify their microdick power grabs Let me guess, you also think you oppose body shaming.
/r/MensRights25/11/22 04:33 PM
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legislation about limiting access to abortion. And where exactly did the male gender, which is just as divided on abortion rights as women, collectively unite to limit access to abortion? The people regressing women's rights aren't men. They're regressives, of both genders. Stop with this blanket men vs. women crap, it doesn't reflect reality and perpetuating it makes people miserable.
/r/MensRights25/11/22 04:31 PM
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Mom didn't take responsibility when she had sex with her partner under a false premise and reneged on a significant agreement she had with him. Passing her lack of responsibility onto on the man isn't just sexist towards him, it's infantilizing towards her.
/r/MensRights25/11/22 04:21 PM
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Yes, I know you don't care about the science. I know you don't care about the majority medical opinion. I know that you're completely wrapped up in your cutting culture, which is why the entire second half of your comment is the ugly lovechild of a strawman and an ad hominem. I'm not upset that anybody is happy with their body. That happens in many places where genital mutilation is normalized, with girls as well as boys. I'm upset that people like you completely miss the forest for the trees, a…
/r/MensRights25/11/22 06:57 AM
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Nothing that I believe is falsifiable You literally make falsifiable claims on this topic all the time. That's not opinion. Saying that removing the foreskin doesn't remove the foreskin's function isn't an opinion or a belief, it's just wrong. Let's look at the bad faith assertions you made just in this comment: "You deny studies that you don’t like and accept studies that you do like." "You want me to be unhappy but I am not." "Every adult male that I’ve talked to about circumcision is happy." …
/r/MensRights24/11/22 03:29 PM
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I called you a liar because the last time we got into this, you repeatedly lied. And yes, one of the most prolific pro-circumcision authors in the literature lies all the time. You also continue to fail to understand the basics of scientific literature. Last time, you could not wrap your head around the very well-defined concept of a medical recommendation. This time, you think that the WHO conducted the African RCTs, that those studies are still relevant when they have been widely criticized fo…
/r/MensRights24/11/22 02:50 PM
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I am unaware of any surgical procedure called “female circumcision” that does not damage the clitoris. Pretty sure you've been pointed to the aforementioned forms of "female circumcision" multiple times at this point. I have cited numerous studies Yes, and lied about them, then doubled down on those lies when it was pointed out to you that the text did not support your claims. I have lived as a circumcised male, I have talked to adult circumcised males Great, now talk to circumcised women in Ind…
/r/MensRights24/11/22 10:45 AM
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This is the real problem with the topic of privilege. It exists to demonize and invalidate. No one likes being told about their privilege, unless they're chronically self-flagellating. I've talked to women before who mention male privilege and express interest in having an equitable conversation, but the minute "female privilege" leaves my mouth, they bristle. And you know what? I feel the same when I hear about male privilege. Of course I'm treated better in some situations. That doesn't mean I…
/r/MensRights21/11/22 03:05 AM
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I've always felt the same way about discussing anti-Semitism versus misandry. Gotta love that lifetime of cultural conditioning to bury all issues and experiences related to your gender (all while being told to "open up more," but that's a whole other discussion...).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/22 02:02 AM
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"Don't body shame men." "You really want to abuse women, huh?"
/r/MensRights20/11/22 01:55 AM
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They don't want you to become a decent member of society; they want to keep you awkward and weird so you never leave the group. Lmao embracing my own worth was a big part of me growing into being a "decent member of society." Carrying around "male guilt" and self-loathing was helping nobody. Also...I actually started going on dates and having relationships. It's almost like women respond to men with self-respect. Who knew. That's why they encourage these orgies of loathing and desire against wom…
/r/MensRights19/11/22 07:39 PM
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Yep, citations have been added to the original comment. Apologies for not including them at the outset. Going through my comment history and digging up each of the sources individually would've been painful on my phone.
/r/MensRights19/11/22 05:23 PM
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/r/menkampf
/r/MensRights19/11/22 03:46 PM
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As I mentioned above, feminist groups in multiple countries successfully fought against updating rape laws to include men. (Nepal, India, and Israel. In Israel, women's groups unanimously opposed legal recognition of male rape victims on the grounds that women would be subjected to false accusations. In the United States, one of the most decorated feminists of the past generation - Mary P. Koss - did seminal rape research where she defined rape as forced penetration. The UK and the United States…
/r/MensRights19/11/22 03:37 PM
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Denying the negative impact that feminism has had on men's rights is delusional.
/r/MensRights18/11/22 07:30 PM
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So glad we have a random internet user to tell us that we're misogynists for talking about material ways that feminism has fought against men's rights.
/r/MensRights18/11/22 07:24 PM
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Just because a lot of stuff is trumped up to misogyny these days to attack men, doesn't mean genuine misogyny is gone. It's still very much an issue.
/r/MensRights18/11/22 07:22 PM
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I doubt they fought against equal custody, against equality in DV policy, and against laws in multiple countries recognizing male rape victims just because they want equality.
/r/MensRights18/11/22 07:17 PM
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Nope, the "benefits" are negligible, questionable, and/or obsoleted by modern medicine. The logic behind circumcision is that tissue can't become diseased if you cut it off, which would be more applicable by several orders of magnitude to other body parts. Doesn't mean we should start wantonly lopping off body parts left and right to keep people healthy.
/r/MensRights10/11/22 06:54 PM
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The head mod of menslib supports MGM, bans people who are upset about theirs, and has decided that legal paternal surrender is a verboten topic because it's not up for debate that men should know their place. Should tell you all you need to know about whether their goal is to "liberate" men from anything.
/r/MensRights09/11/22 11:33 PM
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Men, as a group, are not taking away women's reproductive freedoms. Yup. This is the fundamental issue with a lot of their rhetoric. Even when it makes zero sense to say such things, they convince themselves that the entire male collective is subjugating women. It's especially ridiculous given that they're conflating powerful men with random inexperienced dudes who probably struggle with social-or-other anxiety. Tbh, it just comes across as then making excuses to justify their contempt for inexp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/22 10:58 PM
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It's really simple. She's a priori devaluing the lived experiences of men that contradict her worldview, because of the (often understandable) negative emotions behind them. You can't reach someone like that, because they're passing everything they see through a filter instead of taking people as they are. Thank you for your empathy. I don't think you'll be able to convince her of anything, but you tried, and that's a lot more than most people would do.
/r/MensRights08/11/22 11:06 PM
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Yeah, that's what struck me. "She was arrested without consent!" "She had to endure a trial!" "The poor girl is now a convict!" Gee, just like victims of false accusations? This article is so awful it reads like satire.
/r/MensRights07/11/22 07:27 PM
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Even in this thread, almost everyone using the term is using it incorrectly. Gaslighting is a prolonged form of abuse that undermines the victim's fundamental trust in their own perception of reality. This is NOT the same as someone making you doubt yourself on a particular topic. That's just called debating. Gaslighting is far more damaging and insidious, and it often requires therapy. I'm so tired of this word being misused. It doesn't mean, "they lied and convinced me that something false is …
/r/MensRights06/11/22 04:46 PM
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Withholding support until someone comes along who is worthy of receiving it is also an option.
/r/MensRights05/11/22 11:47 AM
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Yep, unsurprising. Are there any groups on reddit as censorious as feminist ones? Suppress, suppress, suppress. It's what they do.
/r/MensRights05/11/22 11:44 AM
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One thing led to the other. I had very low self-worth and was lonely, and while obviously animal and human companionship isn't the same thing, pets can partially fill our needs and add a massive source of joy and love to our lives. I needed that as part of my healing.
/r/MenSupportMen01/11/22 10:25 AM
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Yeah, I saw that a lot. Confusion or a desire for clarification was often met with hostility.
/r/MensRights01/11/22 10:23 AM
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I used to feel a lot like you. Honestly, therapy was a big help in getting me out of that social rut of distrusting people. I also adopted a cat (and eventually, a dog!), and that's really the moment my life changed. I no longer feel like my birthdays are ticking time bombs, because I have enough love and fulfillment in my life to enjoy the present moment. It's a process, though. Changing your mindset doesn't happen overnight, especially if you were like me and you feel like you drifted through …
/r/MenSupportMen01/11/22 02:40 AM
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If some hot woman threw herself at me, I DEFINITELY would have cheated. If you're fine with your lack of resolve, nobody here will be able to change that, but don't project that flaw onto the rest of us.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 10:04 PM
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I really wish I'd saved the thread in AskWomen (I think) after the Sarah Everard murder where a guy asked how he should make women feel safe when walking down the street. He got all kinds of answers: "Speed up and pass me so you aren't walking behind me." "Slow down so I know you're not following me." "Don't change your pace. Changing behavior near me would freak me out." "Cross the street." The only takeaway from that thread was that some people expect men to read the mind of every woman, and i…
/r/MensRights31/10/22 06:13 PM
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Two words: medical history. She knows the identity of the kid's bio father, and that could be crucial information for doctors down the line. My family history has come up a bunch, and while fortunately nothing awful has materialized from it as of yet, they consider it so vital that one physician (one of the best I've ever had) insisted that I break no-contact with my abusive parents because she needed info about my family's history of cancer. That shit matters. I've been close to Indian women. I…
/r/MensRights31/10/22 06:09 PM
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He also allegedly cheated, which is part of why the relationship is on ice.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 06:03 PM
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I've had a bunch of Indian friends whose families would have legit disowned them for marrying outside their caste, never mind having a premartial interracial relationship. There's a lot messed up about this post, but I'm gonna pin that "white man" comment on OOP's family, not her.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 06:01 PM
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This entire thread is going exactly as I expected. Some people just want their soap box.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 05:51 PM
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...and laws. Oh honey.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 05:50 PM
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It's not the only example, but it's a valid example and incredibly "limousine liberal" of you to say that because a draft isn't currently happening in America, it doesn't matter anywhere in the world. Besides, you've been given multiple specific examples of laws that I'd just be repeating. But, you know...easier to lead with false assumptions and "oH hOnEy" your way through this one, I guess.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 05:49 PM
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People have given you specific answers. Unsurprisingly, you're just pretending you never saw them.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 04:01 PM
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You've gotten some detailed answers, but as expected you've just doubled down on "CISHET WHITE MEN DON'T NEED HELP." Fuck off. Not all white men are born at the top of the food chain.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 03:59 PM
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When was the last time there was an actual war draft? "When was the last time you needed an abortion?" Rights don't only matter in the hour that they're needed. Also, you might check any international news websites that's been updated in the past year.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 03:55 PM
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I’m talking about social “privileges” that minority groups have recently “acquired” and them being viewed as an “attack” on “mens rights”. Thanks for admitting up front that this isn't intended to be a good-faith conversation. There are literal legal rights that men specifically lack. There are also double standards in how laws are enforced, which creates an effective imbalance in rights even though it's not delineated in the laws. But instead of just asking, you jumped straight to the ridiculou…
/r/MensRights31/10/22 03:53 PM
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There are specific kinds of violence that women perpetrate more, but you'll have a hard time convincing people that overall, women are as violent as men. Most violent offenders are male. Better to focus on victims. That's where the real misinformation lies, largely due to sexist feminist policies and reporting.
/r/MensRights29/10/22 06:04 PM
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I would bet the farm that anything he posted on that shithole of a sub has already been taken down. They leave up shit like "men who say they were abused are liars" and "yes, I'm a misandrist, so what?", and scrub any comments acknowledging male victims and female perpetrators. It's run by horrible, repulsive people.
/r/MensRights29/10/22 05:59 PM
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Do you have a psychologist or someone else to talk to? First priority here should be addressing that suicidal ideation. I agree though, international concern for men is abysmal. Some human rights indexes literally only survey women's rights to come up with their wellness score. Men are human too, I thought...
/r/MensRights29/10/22 05:54 PM
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I honestly can't tell, and usually I'm decent at sussing out what's authentic vs. satirical.
/r/MensRights29/10/22 05:03 AM
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While 85% of you are wonderful people and we'd love to hear from you, the other 25% of the comments tended to be the work of targeted troll storms. In case anyone was wondering about the brainpower behind these websites.
/r/MensRights29/10/22 04:54 AM
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For me, transphobia has always been the black stain of that subreddit. I think a lot of the other issues that mensrights gets accused of is overblown, but the transphobia is definitely there. I guess what keeps me there is that it's not consistent. Some threads seem accepting of trans identity and upvote the people standing up for trans people's humanity, but then other threads just have anti-trans comments pile on. what are your opinions on the more right-wing, anti-liberal elements within the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/22 02:03 AM
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It was basically after the mgtow subs were banned. Those groups were garbage, and a lot of the users fled to mensrights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/22 01:40 AM
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the term has been hijacked to conflate those various individual movements or groups to create this existential threat You have perfectly described the problem I have with the term manosphere. "Oh no, some extremely homicidal shut-in with multiple restraining orders against him, a loving father screwed over in divorce court, and a lonely confused guy are all part of the manosphere. They're all the same!!!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/22 01:38 AM
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I'm not sure what you're missing about coming into a male advocates group and telling them they would be more valuable with sacrifice. What sort of reaction did you expect?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/22 06:59 PM
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They do say that, but they're revealing that they've never actually talked to us. There are a dozen concrete things we could change to improve equality for men. When someone says "MRAs just want to complain, they don't have any solutions," I instantly tune them out.
/r/MensRights27/10/22 06:03 AM
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I've saved a few babies from genital mutilation, a few men from taking their own lives, and possibly even a couple of guys from falling in with the alt right. Progress is slow and steady, and you likely won't be the one person to change the world, but that doesn't mean you're completely powerless. The headwinds are still against us, but that just means we've got to be persistent. It's absurdly unfair how enlightened we claim to be while treating men like dogshit, but unfortunately when it comes …
/r/MensRights26/10/22 04:35 PM
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virginity. Which is of course nothing to be ashamed of and Or just go and get laid so we don't have to listen to more of this pathetic whining. Can't hide the virgin-shaming for even one comment. if an entire sex doesn't want anything to do with you, then it might be a so called "you problem". Yeah, and if you go off on a rant completely unrelated to the post just to get your pound of flesh and shame OP, then instead of the fault lying with him, it might be a you problem.
/r/MensRights26/10/22 04:29 PM
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That's genuinely disgusting behavior. Pretty much all lesbians I've interacted with irl have been more sympathetic than the average person to men and their issues, so I'm really sorry (and kind of aggravated on your behalf) that you had to put up with that.
/r/MensRights25/10/22 07:00 PM
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You won't be allowed to comment though Lol, but not before they liked a comment saying that men should "just stop being bullies." Even more sexist than the ad imo. https://i.imgur.com/ymEhHmf.png What absolute idiots running the marketing for that company. Even lots of wives/mothers of sons were like, "yeah bro, this ain't it."
/r/MensRights25/10/22 12:32 AM
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The 'people' against circumcision here for instance cycle through many accounts Why am I not at all surprised that someone defending routine infant circumcision resorts to unsubstantiated assertions.
/r/MensRights24/10/22 05:38 PM
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I can't click on the link, but in my anecdotal experience, lesbian women have been very open-minded and curious about men's issues. I think it's because they just don't have as much visibility into the issues we face. I've noticed that of all the self-described feminists who come here with questions, the lesbian posters seem to be most consistently doing so in good faith. This has also been true in my personal life, although of course that sample size is even smaller. Also just a reminder based …
/r/MensRights24/10/22 11:33 AM
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Lol, first thing I noticed. /r/MenAndFemales
/r/MensRights20/10/22 07:38 PM
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You're defending an out-and-out TERF, and you call others "fucking conservatives"? Really?
/r/MensRights20/10/22 04:17 AM
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she's going to get out of this completely unscathed Yes, because a huge bank account instantly fixes all the trauma and emotional scars of being in a long-term abusive relationship. 🙄
/r/MensRights17/10/22 01:17 PM
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I don't know who these people are. However, you said, "Is this a serious situation?", after describing it as a abusive. Yes it's serious. There's obviously a massive double standard around abuse victims based on gender, but I can't have that conversation with someone who downplays its severity. Also, who cares that she's a rich white woman? You sound like the woman who told me I had too much white male privilege to be depressed.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 01:14 PM
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It's not a thing. Claiming that forcing men to fight and die is misogyny is like saying that American slavery was racist against white people because they were deemed too weak to work the fields.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 01:07 PM
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Are you serious? We get detractors in here all the time. It's okay to have a problem with a single compulsive liar and white supremacist without being close-minded.
/r/MensRights16/10/22 09:43 PM
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No, people don't need to be exposed to your white supremacist, misogynistic, and misandric views. Go back to whatever hate group you crawled from.
/r/MensRights16/10/22 05:52 PM
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It's incredibly misogynist to say that most women are happy with an arrangement where men are too scared to express their sexuality. If somebody said the reverse ("men are okay with women being afraid to express their sexuality") I would be deeply bothered. Same thing here. Shame on you for trying to make a shitty point and calling women soulless jerks in the process.
/r/MensRights16/10/22 05:44 PM
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That's propped up by the lazy husband stereotype, but ultimately if something like that comes without proof, the rebuttal is simple: "proof?"
/r/MensRights16/10/22 01:59 PM
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Men don't fight because the cost is too great. This 100x. Dude I knew was advised by his lawyer not to fight it too hard because it would destroy him. He chose to fight anyway because he loved his kids, and that's exactly what happened. He fell into a horrible depression and lost his job, his house that he'd just paid off, and of course his abusive unstable ex-wife got primary custody of their children.
/r/MensRights16/10/22 01:53 PM
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I had a coworker with a similar story. Lost the house he had just paid off. The injustice of it was infuriating.
/r/MensRights16/10/22 01:46 PM
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I don't think it's fair to say most, but there's definitely some women out there who definitely view men through the lens you described. Someone here linked a thread from TwoX a while back where one of the top comments in a discussion about having empathy for male victims was, "we are not obligated to care about our oppressors." And there's no question that the cultural conditioning we all experience around masculinity and "patriarchy" leads to the normalization of dehumanizing men. Unfortunatel…
/r/MensRights15/10/22 07:32 PM
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portraying me as something I'm not You're harassing people, bud. Whether it's online or face-to-face, you've dedicated a prolonged period of time to harassing a single individual, and your justification is that it's because you enjoy it. unlike me, who you are and how you act on the internet This is the worst cop-out I've ever heard. First of all, I'm not even aware of having any behavior I need to apologize for. Second, you enjoy harassing people. Period. You're basically admitting that you're …
/r/MensRights15/10/22 07:14 PM
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Lol, you openly participate in online harassment, spend a month trying to drag the conversation off-topic, then criticize the two people who are calling you out for doing that as rEfRaMiNg tHe cOnVeRsAtIoN. Given that you're the guy who follows around one person at parties compulsively trying to undermine them to everyone else who will glance your way...I don't think you get the pull the "bet you're fun at parties card" either.
/r/MensRights14/10/22 04:23 PM
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Yes, you are actively following someone around reddit engaging in textbook online stalking, dedicating time from your life to this, and it's just "funny." Gotcha. But them responding to the unstable person following them around social media so they can point out to others that you are trying to undermine everything they say is "compulsive"? Nah, calling out people like you who initiate then criticize others for having boundaries isn't compulsive, it's human. You need help. (And maybe while you'r…
/r/MensRights14/10/22 04:15 PM
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Thanks for letting me live rent-free inside your own head I guess. One comment is living in someone's head rent-free...so what is stalking intactisnormal for this long? Seems like they've zoned out a whole commercial lot in your brain if you're that upset.
/r/MensRights14/10/22 04:06 PM
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Yep, that was you: https://np.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/xdye1j/what_do_you_swear_on_your_life_to_be_100_true/ioo029c/ You: "You see, the reason those two people aren't bored brain-damaged white folks is because they're against FGM. If they were against male circumcision, which is completely different, then yes they would be two bored + brain-damaged white folks." Imagine calling Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Soraya Mire braindead white men for opposing all genital mutilation. Looks like I was right …
/r/MensRights14/10/22 04:00 PM
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You're the 400-IQ genius who was linked two videos of FGM victims who were against male circumcision, and tried to insist that they aren't against male circumcision, right?
/r/MensRights14/10/22 03:46 PM
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I don't know that...cutting part of a child's genitals is genital cutting? The only way for that to be true is if the foreskin isn't part of the genitals, which it definitely is, so for the third or fourth time, you're just proving yourself wrong here. Weird conversation.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 06:47 PM
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You can call people stupid all you want. That doesn't change the fact that circumcision as debated in this thread is the cutting of a child's genitals...i.e. genital cutting. You're now doubling down on calling others stupid while insisting that two terms which are objectively synonymous, are a false equivalence. Not a good look, bud.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 05:45 PM
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"We shouldn't be cutting babies." "I'm happy and I don't remember it." In the context of the conversation, this is a justification for continuning the practice.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 05:44 PM
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it went over your head I explicitly pointed out that you were being sarcastic because I knew you would try to portray it as me missing your point...and you did it anyway. You're so desperate to convince yourself that everyone else is wrong, yet the only way you can get there is by being a massive asshole. I wonder why. By your logic, let's strip off all skin. By your logic, actually. =) Men get breast cancer. Yes. More often than they get penile cancer, actually. So now according to you, if we'r…
/r/MensRights13/10/22 05:41 PM
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He's furious, lol, he's just trying to maintain the moral high ground by insisting he's calm. He literally told me I shouldn't live. Dude's unhinged.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 05:36 PM
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It's not a problem for people to be happy with their bodies, it's a problem when they use that to justify an ongoing human rights abuse. I know a lot of men feel strongly about this one, but honestly it’s not a big deal. It's a big deal. The guy you responded to used his own personal satisfaction with his body to justify neonatal genital mutilation.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 05:35 PM
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Keep trying. Says who guy who should try reading? "Might a similar phenomenon apply to neonatally circumcised men? " - From the article I cited. Not that it needed to be said, because it's already obvious to literally everyone else in this thread, regardless of their views, that childhood genital cutting is synonymous with male circumcision. You're literally saying that two terms which are unanimously agreed to be synonymous are a "false equivalence"...then insulting others' intelligence?
/r/MensRights13/10/22 05:32 PM
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Yes, the guy arguing against surgically modifying neonatal genitals for no good reason is the creep. Good one.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 05:29 PM
7

You're referring to when individuals provide consent as adults, correct?
/r/MensRights13/10/22 05:28 PM
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Dem toddlers be knockin' boots Even for sarcasm, this is gross. No one said anything about underage sex. This is not false equivalency. You're right, it's not. One in eight women get breast cancer, over half a million women die from it every year, and breasts are just as necessary as foreskin for its owner to live. We would save countless more lives (I'm talking like, 10,000x more, give or take) by performing routine double mastectomies. This is you announcing you're too stupid to live. So defen…
/r/MensRights13/10/22 05:28 PM
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So angry... Yes, we're talking about childhood genital cutting. That's the topic of this entire post.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 05:25 PM
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Because it was done to them, and accepting that the most private part of their bodies was potentially exposed to harm for no good reason takes a lot of emotional work to reconcile...hence why they're even rejecting basic tenets of neonatal neurobiology that have been understood for decades. Anything other than to admit that it's wrong to do as babies.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 04:10 PM
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Clitoral hoodectomy is Type 1a FGM, so according to you, you don't care about actual FGM.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 04:07 PM
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You said you don't care about FGM? Seriously? The practice widely regarded as a mutilating human rights abuse? Either you're doubling down on a belief you know is untenable and throwing those female victims under the bus, or you genuinely don't care about FGM. Either way, that's incredibly fucked up.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 03:57 PM
8

Ironic. False beliefs predict circumcision satisfaction.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 03:56 PM
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Men who have gotten the procedure as adults report a variety of outcomes. Some say sex is better (often because the surgery was due to discomfort in the first place), some say sex is worse, and some say the experience was unchanged. Sexuality is experienced individually, which is why the choice should be made by the individual. There are greater ramifications from getting circumcised as an adult than as a baby. A recent PEPFAR report said otherwise. Never mind that the burden of undergoing surge…
/r/MensRights13/10/22 03:54 PM
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That's weird. How do infants learn their mother's voice from the womb if their brains can't learn anything?
/r/MensRights13/10/22 03:50 PM
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"Quit worrying about other girls' vags, it's weird."
/r/MensRights13/10/22 03:48 PM
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Funny, I've almost always been upvoted here when calling out hate. The guy above is a known troll who defended whites-only voting laws and downplayed Hitler before his previous account was suspended. You can literally send him a list of links where you've stood up to misogyny, and he'll reply "got it, so you can't even acknowledge misogyny exists." He's a moron who found the one sub he can troll without getting banned. People reflexively downvote him for good reason.
/r/MensRights12/10/22 11:15 PM
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The author has also said in this sub that he believes groping women you don't know without consent should not be considered bad, because it's just men exploring their sexuality. He comes across as sexist, senile, and super weird to the point that it's off-putting.
/r/MensRights12/10/22 12:55 AM
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I mean that's been Biden's view for a decade now.
/r/MensRights10/10/22 10:52 PM
1

I'm really sorry that happened to you. Not just the rape, but all the doubt and denial you received afterwards. I've been in a psychiatric hospital too, and it can be a scary experience. I hope you're in a better place now mentally.
/r/MensRights10/10/22 06:36 PM
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I actually think the second one is commendable. She's identified the root cause of her hateful thoughts and she's working to fix it. The third one, however...I've seen that sentiment a lot in TwoX. it's unbridled bigotry, never mind that it's based on pure delusion.
/r/MensRights08/10/22 03:32 PM
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And in the U.S., social security.
/r/MensRights08/10/22 03:08 PM
2

Imagine ebing so feminine you downvote on reddit like an NPC. Bruh you're typing diatribes about domineering women and you're whining about imaginary internet points. This isn't masculine energy, it's next-level fanaticism.
/r/MensRights07/10/22 08:48 PM
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Yup, "men hate strong women"...except Wandavision was popular despite all the main heroes being women, people were asking for a Black Widow movie for years, every guy I know (myself included) loved Wanda and reacted positively to Layla in Moon Knight, reception to Nomi in NTTD was pretty positive once the movie came out and those stupid rumors were quelled, and there are tons of female characters in Star Wars besides Rey that fans have loved for decades. It's crazy how the list of adored female …
/r/MensRights06/10/22 10:12 PM
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I'm pretty sure even Carrie Fisher herself laughed at that "accent" in some interviews. I never saw any criticism that went so far as to say it ruined the character.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 10:00 PM
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Nothing wrong with others advocating for women either. Without solidarity, we'd all still be in caves.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 01:32 PM
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instead of directing their efforts towards criticisms of and activism against capitalism, nationalism, patriarchy This is like that trans dude whose comment blew up where he mentioned a bunch of men's issues, then blamed "white imperialism." Much easier to blame other systems or conspiracy theories than take responsibility, though.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 01:29 PM
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I'm sure the ACLU will be right on this...
/r/MensRights05/10/22 11:48 PM
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Tons of assumptions being made in this thread. Her net worth is almost twice his. If anyone pays out alimony, it'll be her (which is obviously still bullshit). Besides that, we simply don't know what they're thinking. Maybe one of them caught the other cheating, or they couldn't reconcile how to raise their kids, or maybe they just grew apart. If anything comes of this, we'll hear about it.
/r/MensRights05/10/22 09:16 PM
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I mean, he didn't say men aren't. Lots of one-note dudes out there as well.
/r/MensRights05/10/22 05:40 PM
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We're talking about arrests, though, not conviction and sentencing.
/r/MensRights01/10/22 03:22 PM
3

Calling out the sexism in your comment seems like a pretty relevant response to your comment, no?
/r/MensRights29/09/22 08:53 PM
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It's not "men" drafting men into wars either. It's the system. Stop victim blaming.
/r/MensRights29/09/22 08:52 PM
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created by men to prove women are sexist. Do you have anything substantive, or just paranoia? And why does it matter that an incredibly small minority of male lawmakers made this system, when 99% of us had absoutely no say in it. Men aren't any more of a hivemind than women, and saying "created by men" is usually just a way to attribute blame to an entire group, instead of the individuals responsible.
/r/MensRights29/09/22 04:58 PM
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Definitely yes. It's absurd how forced one group of people to fight and die in war, while giving the other group a choice whether to participate, is framed as oppression against the group with the choice. "Slavery was racist against slaveowners because it assumes they're too weak to work." "Abortion rights are sexist against women because it asssumes they're too weak to give birth." Identical logic.
/r/MensRights29/09/22 04:57 PM
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The main reason we don't is because a bunch of sexist men also think women shouldn't be in the military "Slavery was racist against the slaveowners because they were considered too weak to work the fields!" Same ridiculous energy.
/r/MensRights29/09/22 04:47 PM
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in America Because only men in America matter? You know what's been happening in Ukraine and Russia for the past year, right? Never mind that men are still legally obligated to sign up for Selective Service when we turn 18. A draft "doesn't matter" until the day that it does, and by then it's too late.
/r/MensRights29/09/22 04:46 PM
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Step 1: Cats and dogs. Step 2: Find what you love to do. Step 3: Go out and do stuff you love with others. Step 4: Come home every night to animals who love you. People come and go. Your pets will be right where you left them.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 06:42 PM
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People claiming that men are systematically oppressed, “female privilege” Exhibit #52983 of women's lived experiences being sacred, and men's lived experiences being afterthoughts. downplaying of sexual assault ? constant weaponization of dead Ukranians Feminst: "Conscription laws don't matter, there won't ever be another draft!" World: has draft Feminist: "Don't you dare fucking talk about that, incel!" 🙄 But what can you do, hate makes people stupid.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 06:39 PM
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Same. TwoX is deliberately curated to be a bona fide hate group. Here, if I see something bad and call it out, I'm usually upvoted.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 06:36 PM
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Who said anything about drafting women specifically into combat? Don't call shit dumb if you're not going to read what you're responding to.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 06:34 PM
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He's one of those garden-variety idiots who thinks he's exercising his own "individual liberty" by circumcising a helpless child. His moronic comment about the draft is par for the course, don't waste your time on him.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 12:18 AM
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If you actually believe that, you're a monster. I mean, I guess you do believe it, because you oppose genital integrity, bodily autonomy, and a host of other human rights that are internationally recognized. Stay away from children. Without believing in neonatal autonomy, there's all kinds of terrible things you can justify doing to babies, because according to you, they don't have the right to their own bodies and they won't remember anyway.
/r/MensRights19/09/22 10:10 PM
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the parents have to make those decisions on the child’s behalf Circumcision is not a decision parents need to make for an infant. should the parents not be allowed to have it removed Depends on the tumor, the risks of surgery, and the risks of keeping it. Surgery is not always the prescribed course of action in those cases, because surgery is usually only undergone with consent or necessity. How old are you that you still aren't understanding any of this?
/r/MensRights19/09/22 10:07 PM
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Parents have to force their beliefs onto their infant children. This does NOT mean they have to force every belief on their children. I’m sorry you were circumcised against your will. No you fucking aren't. This entire comment chain is a testament to that. You continue to support the violation of my basic human rights. You don't get to turn around and disingenuously claim that you're sorry those rights were violated. everyone should make their own decision on behalf of their children No. They. F…
/r/MensRights19/09/22 06:40 PM
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Keep your general integrity I can't. It was violated when I was eight days old. There’s no need to force your beliefs onto other families. It's not the family's penis, it's the child's penis. Stop forcing your beliefs onto children.
/r/MensRights19/09/22 06:21 PM
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What a stupid, pointless question. Children not being able to vote does not invalidate what I (or the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child) have to say about their fundamental rights.
/r/MensRights19/09/22 06:20 PM
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In this case, you are indeed anti genital integrity. That's not up for argument, it's a fact.
/r/MensRights19/09/22 06:17 PM
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No one asked. But no, you are not. "I'm pro-choice, I'm just against male genital integrity" is about as weak as "I'm not racist, I'm just against black people integrating into society."
/r/MensRights19/09/22 02:40 PM
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https://www.unicef.org/child-rights-convention Until you can answer this question for yourself, please don't consider becoming a parent.
/r/MensRights19/09/22 02:39 PM
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I am not at all surprised that someone who supports genital mutilation of infants responds "lol" to the notion that babies have rights.
/r/MensRights18/09/22 08:27 PM
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The AUA's page was based on the AAP's expired policy, which was criticized by the rest of the developed world at the time. The cited AUA page no longer exists. However, the 2012 AAP policy paper clearly stated that the deciding factors for parents should include personal and cultural beliefs. I.e., as Healthline summarized, it's not a medical procedure. Only 1 of the arguments put forward by the American Academy of Pediatrics has some theoretical relevance in relation to infant male circumcision…
/r/MensRights18/09/22 08:25 PM
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They absolutely do. Now you're just talking out of your ass.
/r/MensRights18/09/22 12:00 AM
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It's not how I feel, it's the truth. "Circumcision is not a medical decision." that’s how you should live I can't choose how to live in this regard. Why is this so complicated?
/r/MensRights17/09/22 11:59 PM
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sure you can complain about consent You're damn right I'll complain about consent. Any other body part on boys or girls and we wouldn't be having this discussion, even though you could make similar arguments for their removal. There are reasons to circumcise a penis Not medical reasons when we're talking about infants. Any other reasons are perverse and barbaric. If he was circumcised as a baby, he never would have had that issue No shit. And my aunt wouldn't have had breast cancer if we removed…
/r/MensRights17/09/22 02:57 AM
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We can make our own choices about circumcision regarding our own children because it’s our individual liberty. This is the stupidest sentence I've ever read in my life that attempts to defend circumcision. Needlessly overriding someone else's bodily autonomy is not an expression of individual liberty, it's a suppression of liberty. medical procedures Infant circumcision is not a medical procedure, it's a cosmetic procedure. Glad we could clear that up. We shouldn't be pre-emptively customizing b…
/r/MensRights17/09/22 02:51 AM
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Not everyone in a warzone is traumatized either. That doesn't mean experiencing war can't be traumatic. I’d be uncircumcised and unhappy about it There is no way to know this. then I’d be even more upset that it didn’t happen to me when I was a baby This is childish. When my aunt needed her breasts removed, should she have blamed mom and dad for not preemptively deciding which body parts she got to keep? the most optimal time There is no "optimal" time for an unnecessary surgery that lacks conse…
/r/MensRights17/09/22 02:47 AM
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This comment is satire, right? If you're okay with a human rights abuse being allowed, you support the human rights abuse. Nobody would get away with saying, "I don't think everyone should have slaves, but if you want to purchase other human beings like property and force them to work till they die, that's your choice." Nope. That person would support slavery, and you support circumcision. I’m for individual liberty on this one. Needlessly robbing an individual of bodily autonomy is the antithes…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 05:00 PM
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If a person is going to get circumcised, the best time to do it is immediately after birth. But you've repeatedly said that they wouldn't get circumcised if given the choice as adults. They will experience the least amount of pain and trauma Nope. Never mind that a child cannot rationalize the pain of having his genitals flayed and goes into primal fight-or-flight mode, while an adult can receive general anesthesia, pain medication, and will fully understand the discomfort of recovery. Circumcis…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:58 PM
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I imagine very few of them would have opted into the procedure as adults. "When given the ability to consent, they would've done something different, which is why we should do it early." Again, this is deeply messed up. For that reason I think it’s perfectly fine that parents can give consent for their baby to be circumcised. Just boys, or girls too?
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:54 PM
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Between birth and circumcision, which is: Necessary for life. Guarantees the child's future bodily autonomy, instead of robbing them of it. You can think of circumcision however you want. Supporting the surgical imposition of your opinion on other babies' genitals is disgusting. Besides, circumcision can be traumatic.
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:52 PM
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It hurts babies. You're okay hurting babies?
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:36 PM
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No, they are not all happily circumcised. One in eight American men wish they'd been given a choice. A larger percentage of Indonesian women are happy with their circumcision. Does that mean you're okay with FGM? Or is the issue maybe that cultural normalization and pervasive false beliefs have resulted in victims of cutting cultures swallowing lies to justify the practice?
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:35 PM
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Your argument boils down to, "it's good to do because they wouldn't consent when able." Do you realize how messed up that is?
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:33 PM
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I'm not defending any part of that practice, but the oral suction is an extremely rare practice done by an ultra-Orthodox minority. It is not at all common to the religion at large.
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:31 PM
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In this case, it's OP mistake for asking exactly the wrong people that question. That person could have asked people who are actually part of the MRM what we want. I can list a bunch of problems and their practical solutions off the top of my head, and so can many other dudes. But according to most of the threads about this on AskFeminists, we don't have any goals except to institute some kind of weird Handmaid's Tale fantasy. If someone asks that question on a feminist subreddit instead of here…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/22 03:26 PM
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100% agree. Hope I didn't imply otherwise.
/r/MensRights13/09/22 01:08 PM
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Have you seen men online? They perpetuate that shit. "As a guy, can confirm, we're the worst." Some dudes have no self-worth.
/r/MensRights13/09/22 03:30 AM
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What is it about that sub that draws some of the nastiest human beings to the surface? Some of them sound like psychopaths. "Why should we care about losers?" "Those worthless guys." Like damn imagine if women had some kind of chronic dearth of intimacy and OneY just shat on them as worthless. OneY would be called incels. I unsubbed from TwoX a while ago, and I recommend everybody do the same. It's a hate group masquerading as a general women's forum. Edit: Oof, the ultimate femcel comment - upv…
/r/MensRights13/09/22 03:11 AM
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Here's the word in English for how we feel about your secondhand embarrassment: indifference.
/r/MensRights13/09/22 03:00 AM
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I'd be willing to bet real money that half of the people who shamed you for not being a "real man" also love crying about toxic masculinity.
/r/MensRights13/09/22 02:55 AM
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No, but those words have their own derogatory uses. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/22 02:42 AM
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This was years and years ago now, but in a subreddit unrelated to gender politics, someone said that the most obvious example of sexism wasn't that pussy was derogatory, but that there were only derogatory words based on female anatomy. I asked her if she'd never in her entire life heard anyone get called a dick or a prick. As expected, the hivemind downvoted and nobody said, "oh yeah, good point."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/22 10:07 PM
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Is this a major party in Sweden? Not a lot comes up in Google. Are members of this party already in government?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 11:48 PM
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Why do we care what this one irrelevant rando has posted on social media?
/r/MensRights10/09/22 11:26 PM
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That's interesting. When you say the GC types caused "this," you're referring to the dude's alienation, right?
/r/MensRights06/09/22 05:00 PM
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If you just want to shoot that argument down, say "so I guess none of these countries are patriarchies?" and send them this link: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2016/06/politics/women-world-leaders
/r/MensRights06/09/22 04:33 AM
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No, I'm talking genuinely hateful, sexist stuff. Edit: And the other dude blocked me so I can't reply directly to your weird comment about children and guns, but regardless, it's not even a rebuttal to anything I said. The loaded gun here is the system that disadvantages men and enables shitty women. That doesn't mean every woman is willing to pull the trigger.
/r/MensRights05/09/22 04:10 AM
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Ugh an AWALT guy. The world is more complicated than that. The problem is the system that enables and encourages bad women, not that all women are bad the way that the mgtow sub claimed.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 11:31 PM
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If someone faces the same issues as us due to either their identity or how they pass to others, then there is no good reason to exclude them. Don't be transphobic and needlessly exclusive.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 10:55 PM
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It's just that in theory, but the groups that used to be on reddit had a lot of toxic misogynistic shit about women.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 10:39 PM
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First of all, I just want to say that it's really kind how dedicated you are to giving your boyfriend the space to share on this issue. I was abused as a child, and bringing it up to partners can feel dicey. Not necessarily because my girlfriends have been dismissive, but because of the baggage that typically comes with carrying trauma for an extended period of time. You often normalize or bury it to an extent so you can go about your life, and raising it to other people can make you feel like a…
/r/MenSupportMen03/09/22 02:31 PM
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Everyone's shitting on this post and acting like it inevitably won't work out, but sometimes good relationships can just be good relationships. Also: even though most are the same and horrible people "Most"? Really? Many people are shitty people, but it's not fair to say that most women are identical and awful.
/r/MensRights02/09/22 06:14 PM
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Hey, apologies for the delayed reply. If you're asking what rights men lack that need advocacy, then here are a bunch off the top of my head. Full disclosure, many of these answer will be U.S.-centric since that's where I live. Genital integrity. In the West, we specifically protect female genital integrity, but not male genital integrity. Not a single nation on Earth has banned non-medical infant circumcision of boys. Conscription. In the United States, men are legally obligated to sign up for …
/r/MensRights02/09/22 01:55 AM
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No worries. Sorry for the late reply to your late reply. :) I just pasted two more examples, then I realized they were the same ones in your post. Aside from India, Nepal, and Israel, the only other one that comes to mind is the USA, where feminists "fixed" the definition of rape by defining it as all forced penetration, meaning woman-on-man rape is still not recognized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/22 01:38 AM
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I'm sorry you experienced that, man. I was groped once while falling asleep, too. I froze up and pretended I was fully asleep, and when she realized she wasn't getting a rise out of me, she got bored and left me alone
/r/MenSupportMen31/08/22 06:58 PM
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It's worse than that. I've been told that it's inappropriate for men to fight for their rights because of the "historical oppression" faced by women. I guess my rights and my basic humanity both matter less than women who passed away generations ago?
/r/MensRights31/08/22 02:18 PM
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Reminds of the Aziz Ansari fiasco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4bAULTwAJU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjRYbR_-Dhw It feels like the world is going mad. I would have zero problems with a movement that encouraged sexual assault victims to destigmatize speaking out, but that isn't how #MeToo is wielded. It's completely undermined due process, and as you pointed out, it's simultaneously infantilized adult women who make their own choices while not under duress and later regret it. Thank you…
/r/MensRights31/08/22 02:15 PM
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That's not at all a judgemental statement. You're clearly just looking for an argument here.
/r/MensRights28/08/22 02:48 PM
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If SHE just wanted to smash, you would be all, "YOU GO GIRL! GET SOME!" It's weird that you complain about judging, then launch into your own assumption here. The rest of your comment is barely even a response to mine. I'm not judging people who are just looking to get laid, nor am I assuming he's any kind of danger, I'm just saying that he might be giving the impression that he's looking for something different than he actually is.
/r/MensRights28/08/22 11:56 AM
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Gonna be honest, 99% of the time when I see the response "women don't owe you anything!", it feels unnecessary and misguided, but I think you nailed it here.
/r/MensRights28/08/22 02:25 AM
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So unless that's actually his objective and he's trying to match with like-minded women, he's going to give the wrong impression and put off a lot of people.
/r/MensRights28/08/22 02:16 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape
/r/MensRights27/08/22 04:03 PM
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Yup. Not the only one either, unfortunately.
/r/MensRights27/08/22 04:02 PM
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I think they're referring specifically to political lesbianism. Obviously, most lesbians date women because that's their genuine sexuality, but unfortunately there's a small number of people who try to convince others, including straight women, to only date women. I encountered one in the wild recently, and it was bizarre. If I were a lesbian woman, I probably would've completely lost it on her, because she basically reduced a valid sexuality to a choice made in the name of shitty gender politic…
/r/MensRights27/08/22 12:07 PM
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Therapists can't fix your situation directly, but they can help you have the tools and resolve to make changes in your own life. It's like if someone you love passes away. The therapist can't bring them back to life, but they can help you address your grief so you can move forward.
/r/MensRights26/08/22 02:44 PM
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True. I think for the first point, it's about good writing, and a lot of entertainment is injecting vapid gender politics into their stories. I'm not saying you're wrong for thinking about it the way you are, but for me, I don't explicitly think in terms of who is a lead character, just "does this make sense in the story." Idk, that was wordy but ultimately I'm agreeing with you. if the BBEG is a woman (see MoM) then they have to be a "sympathetic villain" This one truly does bother me. Wanda wa…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 11:15 PM
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"I'm not responsible for your emotional labor!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 03:34 PM
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Oh, I see. Yeah, what you're talking about is ridiculous. I thought you were just taking issue with leading women.
/r/MensRights25/08/22 03:24 PM
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ass banana Thank you for introducing me to my new favorite insult.
/r/MensRights25/08/22 12:27 PM
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This is my read on the situation, although I'm not familiar with Tate so I could just be taking out of my ass. The dude sounds incredibly toxic and douchy, but as usual with men's issues, people just want to say it's an issue problem with men and wash their hands of any responsibility. When women are bitter, we obligate society to hear their stories and understand what lived experiences forged such a negative outlook. When it's men, you get a 100 "lol good let the losers die alone" and zero conc…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 12:25 PM
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Hey man, I grew up with a narcissistic father and while I didn't suffer the same degree of abuse, it was still really rough on me. All I'll say is that when I finally had the courage to draw a line in the sand and cut contract, my life started to improve dramatically. (It still took years of therapy, but every journey begins with a brave first step.) I know it's difficult, but I'm just trying to provide your with some encouragement and support that it can get better in the future. And I'm really…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 12:20 PM
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♥️
/r/MensRights25/08/22 12:14 PM
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but now even the male leads often take a back seat to female "co stars". But wasn't this true in reverse for much longer? So many movies had a male lead, and every other character was second fiddle.
/r/MensRights25/08/22 12:13 PM
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Gaslighting. Is. Abuse. It's not "associated" with abuse, it is abuse. You're a sanctimonious moron and an asshole. Me expressing anger over someone appropriating and diluting an abuse I actually suffered is not destructive, it's justified. Ironically, if you treated a partner like you're treating me and repeatedly dismissed their feelings with "wow you're being so destructive," over time, that would be actual gaslighting. But you're a garbage, emotionally manipulative person, so I wouldn't expe…
/r/MensRights24/08/22 02:24 PM
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I don't think he's blaming the disadvantaged youth or their parents, he's just pointing out that Tate is as much a symptom of a larger issue as he is problematic in his own right.
/r/MensRights24/08/22 07:50 AM
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It's. Not. Gaslighting. Fuck you. You are massively projecting your attempts emotional manipulation onto me at this point, given how you keep trying to undermine my mentions of trauma to claim you're being abused. You're sick. You said: It is utter bullshit that women neither need to take time off Maybe you're seriously unfamiliar with English, but you can replace neither/nor with "do not"/"or". You're missing a nor, which makes what comes after incomprehensible, but regardless, using neither ma…
/r/MensRights24/08/22 07:45 AM
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JFC this is ridiculous. He was wrong to say they need a full year, but you saying that he claimed women don't need any time off is just as absurd. It's not "manipuation" to mention how much I've agreed with you in the past, you paranoid weirdo, I was just extending an olive branch to show that I'm not out for blood here and I'm super disappointed how this conversation has gone. And no, it literally is not gaslighting. I am not abusing you to the point that you do not trust your own perception or…
/r/MensRights24/08/22 02:17 AM
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They need to take time off work in order to look after children That's what you quoted. It says they need. The second part of your sentence was just bad English. A neither without a nor, and whatever meaning was left was nuked by the random anymore in the middle of the sentence that doesn't refer to anything. Trying reading it out loud. It's incomprehensible. This is idiotic. You're accusing me of abusing you because you misread his comment and didn't put together a coherent one of your own. Ano…
/r/MensRights23/08/22 08:38 PM
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It is literally not what he said. He said that women do need to take time off work. I didn't forget the rest of the sentence, it just wasn't understandable, but given the "neither" it didn't seem to matter. But you do you buddy.
/r/MensRights23/08/22 04:01 PM
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You ARE NOT VICTIMS, we DON'T FEEL BAD FOR YOU, and your "problems" are historically NOTHING What a garbage person.
/r/MensRights23/08/22 12:14 PM
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It is utter bullshit that women neither need to take time off to look after the children He never said this.
/r/MensRights23/08/22 12:09 PM
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Men are raped as often as women.
/r/MensRights22/08/22 10:09 PM
2

Did you just lump in looking at someone with harassment and rape?
/r/MensRights22/08/22 10:08 PM
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Hyperagency. When men talk about our issues, we are so often met with "well then why don't you do anything to FIX it!!!" Like, jeez, if I had a nickel for every time a male DV victim lamented the lack of men's shelters, and people responded to him with "then why don't you fucking start one, instead of complaining on the internet"...I'd have a lot of nickels. People get angry at men when we share our problems and frustrations, and we're just expected to up and fix them. Sometimes, we want empathy…
/r/MensRights21/08/22 02:15 AM
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And then, after that story broke, she was invited onstage with a prominent presidential candidate in America. She's a disgusting human being, and people barely gave a shit.
/r/MensRights21/08/22 02:10 AM
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I kind of agree, but I don't think it's because women started working. Women's liberation and freedom from narrow expectations are definitely good things. The problem is that women were liberated from their traditional roles while men were not. This has created massive imbalance in dating and family units. We can see this from the articles written by women where they lament that their girlfriends can't find marriage material because there are now more female than male college graduates. The guys…
/r/MensRights21/08/22 02:09 AM
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Do NOT do this. The foreskin is fused to the rest of the organ at birth, and forcibly retracting it can cause pain, bleeding, and additional complications.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 06:31 PM
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Women's autonomy is being attacked. It's not by "men," it's by pro-life men and women.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 06:21 PM
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if men want to attack women’s autonomy 🙄
/r/MensRights20/08/22 04:50 PM
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There have been multiple countries where women's groups actively campaigned against legally acknowledging male rape victims. In Israel, women's groups unanimously opposed it.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 11:33 AM
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53??? Wtf that's way too young. Rest in peace Norah.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 05:43 PM
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I'd be super proud of her if I were already into her, but it's not something I'd prioritize or that would put me "over the edge" to be attracted to her if I was on the fence.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 03:50 PM
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I think you might be misinterpreting what they're saying. It's a good thing that you've worked hard for yourself and don't want to live off of other people. What they're saying is that when it comes to romance, men don't typically care as much about status-related things like degrees or income. That doesn't mean your degree or your work aren't valuable.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 03:21 PM
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I'm not disagreeing that equality is a good thing, I'm saying it's shitty to respond to an article about a teen being forced to give birth with a glib "love equality."
/r/MensRights18/08/22 03:13 PM
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You can do well with therapy, but you need someone who is willing to see you as an individual, instead of following the APA's ideological lead and deeming all men in need of fixing. I've had several wonderful therapists, all women, because they took their responsibilities seriously. Probably goes without saying, but I wanted to put that out there. Reddit, on the other hand, is trash for men. Every time I see their bullshit "come for the cats, stay for the empathy," I roll my eyes. Years ago, I w…
/r/MensRights18/08/22 03:08 PM
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Is this real? I can't find a real source for this.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 02:58 PM
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Yeah, I'm having trouble verifying that this is real.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 02:58 PM
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A 16-year-old woman being forced to give birth is not a good thing.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 02:53 PM
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I think reproductive rights in particular are tricky because the solutions aren't identical between sexes. I agree, though, there are ways to provide these rights where everyone "wins," and it's frustrating to see people shout down men who are asking for change.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 02:52 PM
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Valid question, wish you weren't downvoted for asking me. The original post discussion was about male reproductive rights, so I raised it as a topical point, not as a gotcha to subvert a conversation about women's issues and make it about men.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 02:50 PM
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I witnessed this firsthand. A few of them got angry when I brought up male rape victims, and one even blocked me. Anything to avoid confronting their own cognitive dissonance.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 01:54 PM
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The people in TwoX are such morons. If someone said, "most pregnancies aren't aborted, so it's addressing an issue that doesn't exist," they would lose their shit.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 01:44 PM
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This ain't something to relish, bro.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 01:41 PM
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It was probably removed for directly linking to TwoX.
/r/MensRights17/08/22 09:11 PM
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First one is fucked up. For the second one, I could maybe see it being a joke depending on the context, and if it were I'd laugh at it, but I'm guessing based on your post that it was said in spite, not jest.
/r/MensRights17/08/22 04:03 PM
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I don't think that's political at all, and imo it's sad that empathy for the homeless is one of those things that's considered political these days. But yeah, congrats, that's absolutely incredible.
/r/MensRights17/08/22 04:00 PM
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Oh man, that sounds rough. Sounds like you're doing better now?
/r/MensRights17/08/22 12:22 AM
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Damn, I'm sorry dude, that sounds like an enormous amount of coordinated bullying to tolerate. Hope you're doing alright now.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 07:39 PM
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This is what we need to keep repeating: people keep saying that feminism only cares about women, and that's not quite true. They don't even care about women half the time. Doesn't matter who you are and what you've endured. Even if you're a woman, you'll be bullied off the plantation, and probably called a LARPing incel in the process (as OP was in that post). I see this all the time when discussing intactivism. So-called feminists flat-out deny the existence of 100 million FGM victims, because …
/r/MensRights16/08/22 07:38 PM
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Oh, I see. Yeah, if you pick up on your partner's discomfort, definitely stop and check in with them. For the friends who were uncomfortable while their partners were unaware...that's a much more grey area and the issue there is probably that communication needs to improve. Not being able to voice boundaries during sex, and instead expecting partners to mind-read, is a recipe for disaster.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 07:24 PM
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Would you rather they wrote the law to give free period products to men too? This is silly. Women deal with periods by virtue of being women. I have zero issue with this being covered for them.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 06:08 PM
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It is in no way similar enough for the argument you're trying to make.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 06:03 PM
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Yeah, no, the grown dude who persisted in asking for photos from a 14 year old girl is 100% the problem here.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 06:00 PM
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Women throughout human history have sacrificed, killed, butchered, mutilated, instigated conflict and done atrocious things to men. Hate to break it to you bud, but there are men throughout history who have done awful things to women, too. Neither gender should be generalized like this. It hurts everyone and it's counter-productive.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 04:08 PM
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I don't think this particular article is extrapolating anything negative about men at large. It looks like a website targeting (straight) women, so ofc articles like these will be about men. Most healthy people would agree that the same 10 things apply to women too.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 04:06 PM
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If it's something new, yeah. I'm not gonna pull a girl's hair during sex unless she explicitly says she wants it. But there's also a level of implied consent in a relationship, and feeling secure enough with your partner to have the space to say "no." Pausing at every stage of physical escalation to survey the mood would have ended up with a lot of celibate nights in my past relationships.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 04:02 PM
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That was very clearly under duress, and was 100% rape. Also, that sounds terrifying and I'm really sorry that happened to you.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 03:59 PM
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It hasn't even been that slow as of late. It's been a massive decline into sexist idiocy. A post hit the front yesterday complaining about women being teased for liking certain things (which is fine, no one likes being mocked), and the post and half the comments were circlejerking about how men aren't bullied. That's how out of touch they are. They think men aren't bullied. One of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 03:57 PM
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I wish I'd taken a screenshot of a comment that I saw a few months ago. It was upvoted, gilded, and was a woman saying (not quite verbatim, but close enough), "I'll just say it: I'm a misandrist. Yes all men. It's okay to hate men." And then a paragraph justifying bigotry against men. I reported it for violating their no misandry rule. You guess whether the mods took action.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 03:51 PM
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Can you explain what you mean about social services? I didn't quite get that. I was proposing moving the burden of child support to the state, so factors like the abysmal state of foster care shouldn't apply. I see it as a simple transfer of money. Too much of an oversimplification on my part?
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:20 PM
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You're categorically calling men who struggle with dating losers. dumb
/r/MensRights15/08/22 09:21 PM
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Does this mean I should know who/what fresh and fit is? Am I old and out of touch?
/r/MensRights15/08/22 03:28 PM
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Most users here do understand lack of government representation, given that they don't address any of our issues. I just read through this thread and I have no idea how this is going over your head.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 03:25 PM
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Not sure what A has to do with B here, but: https://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics
/r/MensRights14/08/22 07:31 PM
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I'm so sorry man, that sounds like an awful situation. I don't have any advice (and I'm worried that most of the advice in the sub is from people who don't know what they're talking about and would put you in more danger), just want to say we're all thinking of you and hope this conflict ends soon. It shouldn't even be happening.
/r/MensRights14/08/22 07:28 PM
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This is so ridiculous. It's possible to be politically 100% supportive of Ukraine's defensive campaign against Russia's ongoing war crimes, and also take issue with Ukraine's gender-based conscription. 🇺🇦 Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦, and also fuck forced conscription.
/r/MensRights14/08/22 07:26 PM
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just fine Might want to go to history class on Monday.
/r/MensRights14/08/22 07:20 PM
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Ah, that's why they conscripted all the childless women! /s Also, housework? Please don't tell me you're putting dusting and doing the dishes on the same level as being forced to fight and die for your country.
/r/MensRights14/08/22 07:16 PM
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Some women don't even realize they're pregnant that soon, so there would have to be a bit more flexibility. Otherwise, though, I agree. Reproductive rights should be granted on an equal playing field, not picking and choosing (i.e. abortion being illegal, but letting men waltz off at will - that would be horribly discriminatory).
/r/MensRights14/08/22 02:51 PM
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It's amazing to me that after decades of "think of the children!" from all sides, the notion of switching from a conditional system of child support that can trap fathers in poverty, to one that would guarantee financial support for mothers/kids and give fathers more choice, is rejected by everyone because "think of the taxes!" Supporting a single parent struggling to raise a child seems like an incredibly worthwhile use of my tax money.
/r/MensRights14/08/22 02:44 PM
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When it comes to reproductive rights, you shouldn't need to prove it in court. That's exactly the point. Women don't need to prove that they were raped before getting an abortion, and men shouldn't have to prove that they were raped before opting out of parenthood.
/r/MensRights14/08/22 02:41 PM
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No, it would be much more equal. Women have the sole privilege and burden of deciding whether to carry a pregnancy to term. Right now, due to biology, men have the burden of living with whatever choice the woman makes, even if he wants the opposite. There's no way to completely rectify that, because woman deserve bodily autonomy of their own, but the best we can do is at least give men the privilege of opting out of parenthood. That would come with its own cost of abandoning his parental rights.…
/r/MensRights14/08/22 02:33 PM
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The better alternative is giving men the abilityto opt out of parenthood, and using social safety nets to provide financially for the child. Everybody gets what they need: mothers and their kids get the same financial support, and the father gets his reproductive rights.
/r/MensRights14/08/22 02:28 PM
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Unfortunately, they are. Too many people don't see men as human. This is an actual quote from a woman who didn't like my question about what reproductive rights male rape victims should have. She blocked me and said this to another user I was talking with: The block function of Reddit is so helpful here. A handful of bored males who like to argue about their "rights" ... POOF they are gone. How inhuman do you have to be to toss victims down the memory hole like that?
/r/MensRights14/08/22 02:25 PM
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Yes. This topic exploded in a few other subs recently, and despite surface-level insistence that it was about the kid's well-being, when push came to shove, the arguments against male reproductive rights just boiled down to punishing men for the inability to get pregnant, even in cases where they were raped or baby-trapped. Tons of victim-blaming, too.
/r/MensRights14/08/22 12:35 PM
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He's still responsible for his actions though, right?
/r/MensRights14/08/22 12:30 PM
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Thanks! Just one final thing to leave you with, a lot of reports neglect Asia entirely. So you have to keep in mind that the author may have been talking solely about Africa, or it have been from before Asian FGM was acknowledged by the international community. Anyway, take care!
/r/MensRights14/08/22 11:47 AM
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I mean, I've seen them ban people who have a history in feminist subs and call themselves feminists, merely because it doesn't fit the mod's narrow idea of what a feminist should be, so...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/22 01:47 AM
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They ban non-feminists from top-level responses, which makes sense. It's AskFeminists. The fact that they often demean and ban dissenters in the subthreads is a different topic, but I don't see an issue with them upholding the stated goal of the sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/22 06:55 PM
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One of the most common forms of FGM is Type 4, which is defined as all cutting that does not remove anything from the girl's body. One form it takes is a "ritual nick," which draws a ceremonial pinprick of blood from the girl's genitals and removes nothing. A family law trial in England employed a doctor to inspect a victim, and no evidence of any procedure was found on the girl's body. There's also another form which is fairly common where only the clitoral hood is removed, which is analogous t…
/r/MensRights13/08/22 06:40 PM
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Type 4 FGM. There was a case in England where the court employed a doctor to inspect the victim, and he couldn't find evidence of anything happening to the girl's body. It's the most common category of FGM in Indonesia, which itself is the largest girl-cutting culture in the world. It's not technically mutilation by the dictionary definition of the term, but since it still involves taking a sharp object to a girl's genitals for nonmedical reasons and inflicting pain, even if momentary, it's cons…
/r/MensRights13/08/22 06:35 PM
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Does that imply that the quarter of FGM done in medical settings is okay? What about the countries that circumcise boys in the same dirty settings where they cut girls? Focusing on the location of the act misses that regardless of the sterility of the scalpel, the child's rights are still being violated.
/r/MensRights13/08/22 06:03 PM
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Some of the more prevalent forms of FGM remove nothing from the girl's body, and one documented form of FGM is Type 1a, which removes only the clitoral hood, not the glans. The most widely reported forms of FGM are far from the only ones that exist. Also, you are describing Type 2c FGM, which is very rare. Given that FGM lives in an extremely wide spectrum of severity, and male circumcision sits somewhere in the middle, it's a fair comparison. And honestly, even if all FGM were objectively 1000x…
/r/MensRights13/08/22 06:01 PM
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I think the problem, at least as I've seen it, is that we have gotten these kind of unsubstantiated posts before, and it did come off as concern trolling. But I agree with OP, it's gotten worse here lately, and it's good that he's trying to start a discussion about it. The problem is that a lot of us are primed to reject this shit by this point, because so many people come at us swinging and accuse every comment critical of feminism/a woman's actions as misogyny. I'm not really surprised that OP…
/r/MensRights13/08/22 01:33 PM
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I mean, I agree with OP that the toxicity in this sub has gotten worse recently, but askfeminists is a whole other world of denial and bigotry. The snooty mods over there have a hard-on for banning anyone who blinks at them the wrong way.
/r/MensRights13/08/22 01:24 PM
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I could do this, and I'm sure some others could too, but I doubt anyone wants to start a flame war by deliberately spotlighting certain users.
/r/MensRights13/08/22 01:20 PM
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I remember when I thought Ross+Rachel exemplified a sweet couple's dynamic, instead of a spineless posessive goober chasing a spoiled brat. People seem to underestimate the effect that media has on men - well, at least when it leads to male struggles. Female body standards: "Bad and misogynistic because it leads to body insecurity for women." Porn: "Bad and misogynistic because it leads to men having unrealistic expectations about sex, which leads to a bad time for women." Dating: "Come on guys,…
/r/MensRights13/08/22 01:11 PM
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We should really have a weekly check-in thread. There are other subs like mensupportmen, but it'd be nice to have it here too in a more active subreddit. I'm doing alright. Life's been very relaxing lately. The silver lining of working from home for the past few years is that I get to spend the entire day with my pets. I love those furballs so much. It's hard to be chronically sad when they're around. How are you OP?
/r/MensRights13/08/22 01:01 PM
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Instead of vague insults that don't really say anything other than label me the worst kind of person, want to tell me where I went wrong? I don't see what's so controversial about what I said.
/r/MensRights13/08/22 10:31 AM
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His link was just the 2012 AAP suggestion to use anethesia. His citation isn't even a proper response to the point he was trying to debunk. (Seems like he and Mr. Morris are on the same wavelength in that regard.)
/r/MensRights13/08/22 06:09 AM
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without anesthesia mind you I was circumcised without anesthesia. It happens. Also, that Brian Morris article is garbage. He gish gallops his way through articles, makes up figures, lies about citations, and abuses selection criteria to further his "well-documented, unconditional support" for circumcision.
/r/MensRights13/08/22 05:47 AM
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Right below the list of purported benefits, the Mayo Clinic says: The risks of not being circumcised, however, are not only rare, but avoidable with proper care of the penis. If the benefits are avoidable, they're not relevant and they don't justify surgically altering a minor's body.
/r/MensRights13/08/22 05:40 AM
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Yeah, I agree. In the past I've responded to these kinds of posts with "it's a small minority" and "proof or you're a concern troll," but there have been a slew of particularly rough posts lately. I might not even be seeing all of it because I've been blocked by some of the most prolific misogynists in this sub. I get that men are angry, and I think with the way men have been treated by women's groups, some misogyny was inevitable, but that's an explanation, not an excuse. We need to model the k…
/r/MensRights13/08/22 02:38 AM
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Completely unsurprising. Site admins have explicitly stated that hatred toward men is acceptable: https://i.imgur.com/VeTS3YH.png
/r/MensRights11/08/22 01:21 PM
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I specifically clarified that this conversation was happening the context of the post to make clear what I was referring to. Don't alter the context of the conversation in favor of your narrative.
/r/MensRights10/08/22 04:02 PM
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Lmao are you really calling him a cretin for pointing out that it's hyperbolic to say that 5'9" is a "midget" to 98% of women? That's ridiculous.
/r/MensRights10/08/22 01:56 AM
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Right, but with the advent of civilization, it's fair to say that those doing the malicious lying are mostly bullies and narcissists, not the entire female gender the way your comment implies. If we're talking little lies that a woman uses when she feels unsafe (stuff like "I have a boyfriend"), that's different, but in the context of the post, we're talking about when a woman lies in an attempt to defame a guy and/or avoid taking responsibility for something. It's not like all women everywhere …
/r/MensRights10/08/22 01:46 AM
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Pets pretty much eliminated my loneliness when I wasn't very engaged with friends/girlfriends. Made the pandemic much more bearable, too.
/r/MenSupportMen09/08/22 06:51 PM
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A quick Google search says you're wrong.
/r/MensRights09/08/22 05:32 PM
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The way she takes things personally. In the thread where you're carpet-bombing your critics with half a dozen comments each...
/r/MensRights09/08/22 04:35 PM
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When it comes to bigotry, there is definitely a "shouldn't."
/r/MensRights09/08/22 04:26 PM
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There's a world of difference between hating people for their ideologies and actions, and hating them for their innate characteristics. You can hate women, but you really shouldn't.
/r/MensRights09/08/22 03:46 PM
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Agreed. There's too much acting out of spite instead of modeling how they want to be treated. Also, quick plug for /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates. Even if you don't consider yourself left-wing, it's a great sub for discussing men's issues honestly, but with some tighter moderation and less tolerance for the "rougher" kinds of comments.
/r/MensRights09/08/22 03:44 PM
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Nepal: https://kathmandupost.com/national/2020/12/11/ordinance-amends-law-on-rape-but-fails-to-recognise-rape-of-boy-child-and-sexual-minorities
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/22 02:24 PM
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I totally understand. I guess I was just trying to say that since it was talking about a societal phenomenon, the "some" didn't seem necessary, since it seemed more like it was talking about double standards than attacking the gender itself. I know in general there's some misogyny in this sub and I try to stand up to it when I see it, but if it's too much for you, there's nothing wrong with listening to your gut. It'll be a bummer if you leave, I've noticed a lot of your contributions lately and…
/r/MensRights09/08/22 01:35 PM
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He almost certainly wasn't talking about you or the other women in the sub who acknowledge men's issues. He was referring more to the cultural phenomenon of men's spaces being eroded/disallowed/catered to women, while women's spaces maintain their exclusivity. I get that a lot of times, it's important to clarify "not all men" or "not all women," but personally I didn't get the sense that it was necessary here. Thank you for your support! Hopefully one day these gender wars will be a thing of the…
/r/MensRights09/08/22 09:55 AM
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She does. All the time. I'm not saying I agree with her interpretation of your post, but going scorched earth on her with a dozen comments is overkill.
/r/MensRights09/08/22 09:48 AM
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There's a third option, which I think still makes the point without demeaning women who have attempted suicide: It is a desperate cry for help where they just need someone to see how much pain they're in. Women tend to have much deeper support structures and garner more empathy, so is it any wonder that depressed women call out for help, while men decide to just end it? Calling women (or anyone) who attempt suicide "bitches" or "incompetent" seriously doesn't sit right with me. Anybody who's bee…
/r/MensRights08/08/22 10:20 PM
2

Back when people had "flame wars."
/r/MensRights08/08/22 10:15 PM
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But it’s usually said in a ‘so we should stop talking about the women’s figures so much’ Assuming intent. militaries and governments led exclusively by men deemed women too physically weak and biologically inferior to be in the army Victim blaming. Absurd attempt to turn male disposability into misogyny. "American slavery was actually racist against white people because they were deemed too weak to be forced to pick cotton." That's how stupid it sounds. But it could also be that MRA mythology it…
/r/MensRights08/08/22 10:12 PM
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It wasn't that, it was that he initially struck a deal with the prosecutor to testify in a civil trial on the grounds that he wouldn't be prosecuted criminally. The court overturned his conviction because they found that using his initial testimony in the criminal trial was a violation of due process. It other words, his ruling wasn't overturned because of a lack of evidence or anything indicating that he didn't do it (he almost certainly did, especially with the smoking gun that was his testimo…
/r/MensRights08/08/22 03:18 AM
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No, he was found guilty, but got out of prison eventually on a technicality regarding the proceedings.
/r/MensRights07/08/22 11:58 PM
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If it helps, at least Wikipedia says this: The film was criticized for making light of statutory rape, incest, and child neglect.[16][17][18] So it wasn't like it went completely unnoticed at the time. I totally agree, though, there's always been a horrible double standard around this stuff in the media.
/r/MensRights07/08/22 09:26 PM
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I hear you on the assumed misogyny, OP. I once mentioned male rape victims to some ex-friends (important: I was not pre-empting a conversation about women in any way). One of them said male rape victims don't matter as much as female victims, another said I don't care about women, and a third said that the only reason this conversation upset me was because I was "triggered" due to a past sexual assault. Again, not a single negative thing was said about women. Even holding male victims in their m…
/r/MensRights06/08/22 01:57 AM
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Post: Adult woman rapes young boy, gets off virtually scot-free. Comment: Being male sucks. You: Lmao. Might be time for some introspection bud.
/r/MensRights05/08/22 04:10 PM
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No and no, lol. Why am I not surprised that when you finished making assumptions about a movie years from release, you made assumptions about me.
/r/MensRights04/08/22 08:30 PM
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We barely even know anything about this movie. Can we please stop jumping to conclusions about this stuff?
/r/MensRights04/08/22 06:28 PM
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Obligatory "not all women." I've been in relationships with women who walked the talk regarding letting me share emotions and cry. But yeah, I've also been in a couple relationships with women who wouldn't let me have feelings, and any attempt to articulate how I felt was crowded out by her feelings. Leaving those relationships was such a breath of fresh air.
/r/MensRights02/08/22 10:54 PM
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In my personal experience, the women in my life have been more emotionally mature. I really think it's just a question of how the cards fall for each of us, not something that can be chalked up to gender. I totally agree with you, emotional intelligence can and should be taught in school. It's definitely something that can be learned and practiced.
/r/MensRights02/08/22 10:50 PM
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The response to the top comment there said it as succiently as anyone could: Do not validate emotions that are bigotted. Just because the old woman is really fearful about crime doesn't mean she should be able to claim all black people are criminals. I don't care if it is rude when their emotional outlet is equally rude.
/r/MensRights02/08/22 03:45 AM
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Not just unfortunate. Avoidable. Please do not brigade.
/r/MensRights01/08/22 08:18 PM
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How am I supposed to dig up comments from god-knows how long ago made by other users that the mods in another sub removed?
/r/MensRights01/08/22 08:17 PM
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The same reason they don't ban women's hate subs. Horrible bias. The site admins have explicitly said that hatred against men does not violate their content policy. Lots of reddit view this as a hate sub and are constantly looking for reasons to ban it. Don't be that reason. Cross-sub brigading is a very well known breach of Reddit's site rules, and can (and often has) led to subreddits being banned.
/r/MensRights01/08/22 08:15 PM
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Raiding their sub won't get them banned, it'll get us banned.
/r/MensRights01/08/22 01:17 PM
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Not only is what you're doing completely pointless, encourgaging yourself and one other user to downvote a subreddit with 13 million subscribers, but pretty much everything you guys are doing or talking about doing violates Reddit's terms of service. At the end of the day, TwoX is just another subreddit, dude. It's not going to be banned, and your downvotes won't impact them. After a while, the downvotes probably won't even register, since Reddit reduces the weight of downvotes from certain user…
/r/MensRights01/08/22 08:58 AM
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I have a bunch. I usually get upvoted too. And that's the difference. In feminist subs, even the women who speak out against such generalizations get muted and banned. Sometimes they even get dogpiled by other users who insist they're lying about being a woman.
/r/MensRights01/08/22 08:48 AM
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Engaging in a downvote war sounds like an incredibly unproductive use of anyone's time.
/r/MensRights01/08/22 08:39 AM
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I used to comment there a fair bit. One of my most upvoted comments ever was actually in that sub. But man, the transformation in the past few years has been alarming and radical. It's a genuine hate sub now. Despite their "no misandry" rule on the side, the mods won't remove even the comments that are explicitly misandrist. They're too busy nuking threads where guys stand up for themselves responding to the bigotry. It's a hate group masquerading as a general women's forum. Those bigots aren't …
/r/MensRights01/08/22 01:49 AM
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I have reported comments that literally talked about being out-and-out misandrists. Like, they said things like "yes all men" and "I'll just say it, I'm a misandrist, misandry is justified." Guess whether the mods acted...
/r/MensRights01/08/22 01:39 AM
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If someone tries to shoot you, but they have terrible aim and aren't a "legitimate threat," they still wanted to harm you. It doesn't matter whether she grazed you or couldn't even reach you. She tried to. That's not healthy, and that's not something you should overlook.
/r/MensRights01/08/22 01:35 AM
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that want you to choke them and spit on their boobs during sex Uhhhhh.../r/suspiciouslyspecific? Anyway, if you're describing her as "black hearted," then you should definitely do everyone involved a favor and end this relationship. The political disagreement is there, for sure, but my ex and I disagreed on some stuff too. It never got to the point where I questioned whether her heart was in the right place.
/r/MensRights01/08/22 01:27 AM
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You nailed it man. Yes, it's truly awful what happens to people in other places on Earth, but I shouldn't need a disclaimer acknowledging the struggles of every other human on Earth before talking about my own.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 10:40 PM
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The problem isn't merely that the bad feminists are the ones making the most noise, it's that they're currently the ones making the most policy.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 12:54 PM
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1 in 14 men are made to penetrate, but only 1 in 33 men are assaulted/raped? What? Being forced into intercourse is rape. Men are raped as often as women: https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/ And now the real surprise: when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to penetrate”—either by physical force or due to intoxication—at virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011). In other words, if …
/r/MensRights31/07/22 12:52 PM
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I'm not so insecure that I need to prove my point. I wouldn't call accusing people of shit and then running away when asked for proof the behavior of a secure person.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 12:42 PM
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Isn't it amazing how these conversations always grind to a halt following the simple question, "where did I say that?"
/r/MensRights31/07/22 12:39 PM
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Not taking your anti-trans bait. You're not even being clever about it, just super lazy. Act your age. And yeah, a woman can do this. That not's at all anti-woman, it's pointing out how horribly we treat unsubstantiated accusations. The vast, vast majority of women will never do this, obviously.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 05:11 AM
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America Chavez was raised by two mothers. Why would she mention a father? We already had a thread yesterday hang-wringing about the MCU, and it barely made sense. The mere presence in these films of women succeeding men does not mean that they are anti-male.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 02:14 AM
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Everything she's describing is textbook CPTSD. She's experiencing emotional flashbacks, which are a very real thing.
/r/MensRights30/07/22 07:23 PM
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First of all, I'm truly sorry that happened to you. It's good to read that you're being proactive about seeking professional help, as ultimately a therapist will be better equipped to deal with the specifics of your trauma than randos on the internet. My ex had regular panic attacks, and I just did my best to gently support her and ride out the episode with her. Specific things, like dimming the lights and holding her tight-but-not-too-tight, were helpful. It took some thought on her part before…
/r/MensRights30/07/22 07:18 PM
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Yes, the guy saying "that woman" and "the girl" is secretly referring to all women. Sure.
/r/MensRights30/07/22 07:01 PM
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Yeah, no, I'd be repulsed by that. Also, that's pretty ironic coming from someone who wants to wipe out Jews.
/r/MensRights30/07/22 02:39 PM
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What is Disney supposed to do, just have the next six phases' leads be mostly white guys just to avoid political correctness? I hate when Hollywood shoves identity politics down our throats, but OP seems to be assuming that the mere presence of diversity in film "cucks" the original characters. That's ridiculous. Diversity can merely exist as a reflection of the world we live in, and in that state, nobody should have a problem with it. It sounds like She-Hulk pulls a Rey and is instantly a wizar…
/r/MensRights30/07/22 10:02 AM
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Yeah, agreed. This kind of thinking should be more gender neutral, but there's nothing wrong with criminalizing stealthing. That shit's reprehensible.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 10:11 PM
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The point of the original comment I referred to was that anti-male prejudice directly exacerbates the problems which already exist for black men (and by extension, although I could've more clear about this, that TwoX suddenly didn't want to listen to a black person's testimony because it criticized their narrative).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 10:02 PM
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where were the grown-ups in this? They were right there. They watched it happen and were fine with it. Another innocent life destroyed, but hey, it's only a male life so I guess everyone with the power to stop it will watch from the sidelines.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 07:48 PM
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People really have the audacity to compare it to racists using the ‘All Lives Matter’ phrase? Yes, they really do. I saw a great comment in TwoX from a black guy who wrote that the default societal perception of black people as angry and violent is already an issue. Why are we exacerbating it by also throwing all these generalizations about men into the mix? And for what it's worth, I'm a big proponent of #NotAll____ for everyone. I have no problem reminding people that although bad women exist,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 04:58 PM
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Are you just copy-pasting these replies to everyone to avoid taking responsibility for what you said?
/r/MensRights29/07/22 01:36 PM
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It's not female nature, it's human nature. Everybody favors women. Feminism is so widespread today because of male disposability, women-are-wonderful, male outgroup bias vs. female ingroup bias, etc. Calling it female nature or claiming that the vast majority of women don't care about men is sexist.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 01:34 PM
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Okay, so you're very aware of the issues men face, and you're just trying to deflect now. Got it.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 01:30 PM
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Family courts, legislation, the justice system, college kangaroo courts, etc. Do you seriously hang out in this sub and not know the systemic issues men face, and reduce it to a bigoted take on "female nature"?
/r/MensRights29/07/22 07:03 AM
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female nature Come on dude. The problem is the system that enables bad women, not that women are inherently bad.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 02:59 AM
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That user is a man. Besides, this is a subreddit for anyone who believes in men's rights.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 10:34 PM
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Is it being treated like an STD, or is sexual transmission just something homophobes have latched on to?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/22 07:30 PM
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I ditched the entire broadcast MSM a long time ago. They've proven so many times that they're ideological outlets. Even stations that "agreed" with me back then were obviously feeding me crap with no regard for journalistic standards. Not saying I mind your links at all, articles are at least easier to verify.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 07:28 PM
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Thanks, admittedly I hadn't heard about some of this. I'll check out those articles.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 07:11 PM
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I hadn't heard about crime spiking after Biden was elected. That's really a thing? Do we know why (gas prices, covid variants, etc.)?
/r/MensRights28/07/22 06:06 PM
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Haha, let's all vibe to this and hug it out.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 06:03 PM
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The right seems better on this particular issue because they don't have the out-and-out misandry of the left, but they're full of tradcons who argue for male-only conscription, and support glorification of traditional gender roles that are tied to a lot of men's issues. And then of course, there's the fact that in a lot of countries, the right wing has been going wayyyyyy off the deep end lately. In my country (America), I can't in good conscience vote for either side right now. By the way, a co…
/r/MensRights28/07/22 06:01 PM
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Lol no.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 05:49 PM
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If you're going to drill me like this when I explicilty answered everything you asked, what's the point in continuing this conversation? Just seems like you're in a bad mood and you're desperate to argue with somebody. And speaking of dishonesty, no, that is not what his links say. The first link says, "Both victim and the harasser can be either a woman or a man, and the victim and harasser can be the same sex." It also does not say that sexual harassment is not necessarily sexual. OP took a phr…
/r/MensRights28/07/22 05:44 PM
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Just fyi, "hang themselves when given the rope" is an expression. It doesn't actually refer to anyone taking their own life.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 01:03 PM
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It being assault was worse than harassment. You were downplaying it as rude behavior. Keep projecting your reflexive need to insult people and dominate the conversation, though. Just as productive as I expected.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 12:49 PM
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That wasn't the question you asked the first time. No, harassment is obviously different than assault. I already addressed the bit about discrimination twice. Good for you not caring about the context of the post. People are probably downvoting you because that context is more significant than a premise that almost everyone on this sub accepts.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 12:45 PM
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In my comment, I agreed that in practice, the way we respond to sexual harassment is horribly sexist. The problem is that regardless of his premise, his post takes a hard right turn into senility and minimizes awful behavior in the process. This entire post was spurred on because elsewhere, a woman posted that a guy repeatedly tried to touch her vagina through her pants, despite her repeatedly moving his hand away. That's not just harassment, that's sexual assault. He left a dozen comments there…
/r/MensRights28/07/22 04:01 AM
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Judging by the temper tantrum and the repeated non-sequiturs, it seems like I struck a nerve. You're obsessively commenting in another thread to convince everyone that a victim of sexual assault was merely a victim of a guy being "rude." There is something deeply, deeply wrong with how you relate to other people if you invest this much time in minimizing such violating behavior. Can't wait to see how you lash out at me this time...
/r/MensRights28/07/22 03:47 AM
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Are you referring to the post where the guy kept touching the girl's groin despite her repeated physical protests? I 100% agree with you, that was full-on sexual assault, and OP was in that thread minimizing it and saying the guy was merely being "rude." Reminds me of Mary Koss saying that a man who is forcibly drugged and fucked isn't a victim of rape, but just "unwanted contact."
/r/MensRights28/07/22 03:38 AM
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That sounds like a clear no to me.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 12:38 AM
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What he did was sexual assault. Stop minimizing sexual assault.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 12:37 AM
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That's sexual assault. Some people view the word molested as synonymous with rape, but tbh him repeatedly touching your genitals after you made your "no" clear is clear-cut molestation in my book.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 12:35 AM
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I'm having trouble following this post, but I don't think I'm on board. "'Harassment does not have to be of a sexual nature" They are not saying that sexual harassment is not about sex, which it seems is one of the assumptions in your post. They're just throwing that tidbit in there to remind everyone that there are other forms of sexual harassment as well. The weird thing is people seem to have accepted in their minds that sexual harassment is something that can happen in normal life (not at wo…
/r/MensRights28/07/22 12:22 AM
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Regarding domestic abuse, male victims are more likely to be arrested than their female abusers, so at least in that cross-section of the population it's true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/22 12:00 AM
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Having a faulty medical history is an actual risk to the child that can't be alleviated by arbitrarily punishing another human being.
/r/MensRights27/07/22 03:17 PM
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Group hug!
/r/MensRights27/07/22 03:12 PM
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"You can't be depressed because you have too much privilege." "You don't know what it's like to be sexually assaulted." "Men can't know what it's like to be scared of their partners." "Men who are raped don't matter as much as women who are raped." All wonderful things I've been told by people who bleat about equality.
/r/MensRights27/07/22 03:11 PM
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Obligatory-but-sincere: you have no reason to be ashamed for the behavior of others. Thank you for the solidarity though, it means a lot.
/r/MensRights26/07/22 03:19 PM
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I'm 100% against infant circumcision, I just want to clarify that the oral suction procedure is incredibly rare and only done by a small sect of ultra-Orthodox Jews. Many Reform Jews haven't even heard of the procedure. That doesn't make any of it okay, of course, it just irks me a bit seeing the particular baggage of that practice being hung around the necks of all Jews.
/r/MensRights24/07/22 02:06 PM
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Ironically, if you studied FGM more you would've found a bunch of errors in this comment. One of the most prevalent forms of FGM revives no tissue from the girl's body. Another common type removes the hood around the clitoral glans without excising clitoral tissue. They're all illegal. There's a blatant double standard here that's completely overlooked because people assume all FGM is clitorectomy.
/r/MensRights24/07/22 02:00 PM
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If my ex raped me, I would ask her other partners if they were victims too so I could put her behind bars. Yes, but this isn't what ERW is accused of doing. This comment makes me think you are here just to argue with MRAs. That is not a hill you want to die on. The comment they were responding to was degrading and overly generalized, and there was nothing wrong with calling it out.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 12:15 PM
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female circumcision has not. It hasn't? painting it as though it's not an old tradition isn't fair I can't for the life of me find where OP did this. Am I missing something?
/r/MensRights23/07/22 12:25 AM
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TBH, the most extreme form of FGM is even worse than that. For infibulation, they sew up the girl's vagina at a young age, which often leads to chronic pain and other issues that are chalked up in those cultures as normal to being a woman. Then, during childbirth, those stitches burst, and the woman is often re-sewn closed afterwards. It's so brutal and horrific. However, there are a dozen different kinds of FGM, all the way from infibulation to forms that don't even alter the girl's body. Clito…
/r/MensRights23/07/22 12:20 AM
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Glancing through all the comments on this thread, you're doubling down by making stuff up.
/r/MensRights22/07/22 06:10 PM
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I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to know that this isn't what the comment is actually saying.
/r/MensRights22/07/22 05:49 PM
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roast beef I agree with most of your comment, but can we please not do this?
/r/MensRights22/07/22 09:37 AM
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What initially piqued my interest: the James Damore/Google fiasco, plus finding out (from a female friend!) that the pay gap is a myth. What got me to stay: seeing a kind, good-hearted father have his entire life dismantled by an openly abusive woman who weaponized family courts so blatantly that everyone who knew him, women included, were aghast at what was happening. What keeps me coming back: intactivism. That one was a real eye-opener.
/r/MensRights21/07/22 06:35 PM
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If the APA weren't interested in demonizing masculinity out of the gate, then they shouldn't have recommended that counselors frame their male patients' problems as stemming from power and privilege. If they weren't interested in demonizing masculinity, they should have looked at actual quantitative research that illustrated poorer outcomes for male patients based on third-wave feminist frameworks such as patriarchy. If they weren't interested in demonizing masculinity, they would not prescribe …
/r/MensRights21/07/22 01:27 PM
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The field that honored one of the most influential, decorated feminists of the past 30 years, and just recently put out a recommendation that amounted to masculinity being an inherent problem with men that can be resolved by exposing men to feminist social justice, is misogynistic?
/r/MensRights21/07/22 06:21 AM
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I'm really sorry you went through all that man. I've had mental health crises and it's terrifying. Glad you're at least feeling stable now. There's a narrative pushed by feminists that men's health is taken more seriously than women's health, but I have so much trouble believing it. Aside from the fact that 90% of men who took their lives sought help first, just as you did, women's healthcare is better covered and research better funded than men's. Also, anecdotally, I've had enough shitty docto…
/r/MensRights20/07/22 03:44 PM
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If toxic masculinity is a thing, then "toxic blackness" is a thing. Do you believe in toxic blackness?
/r/MensRights20/07/22 03:40 PM
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Gotcha! Well, glad I could point that out.
/r/MensRights19/07/22 04:03 PM
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It's the article cited in the original image of this post...had you not checked it out yet?
/r/MensRights19/07/22 04:01 PM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gender_Symmetry_in_Partner_Violence_Implications_for_Prevention_and_Treatment
/r/MensRights19/07/22 03:56 PM
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Dude the source in the OP literally lists Canadian, European, and Asian sources as well as American ones.
/r/MensRights19/07/22 03:55 PM
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That sentence was the only substantive argument in the comment. Never mind that this entire thread is about DV, not all forms of violence.
/r/MensRights19/07/22 03:52 PM
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I've seen a bunch of right-wing comments in the main sub lately, probably because America has an election coming up in a few months. It seems to mostly be motivated by reactionary pushback to Democrats and left-wing ideology. you do realize the left are the side of social mobility and progress Someone else put it more eloquently, but...not for men, they're not. Feels like the opposite a lot of the time. More and more men are feeling alienated by the left. When you contrast that hostility with th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/22 07:06 AM
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I broke down the first video a while ago. I can't remember what exactly I said, but I remember getting the impression that he was determined to dismiss Jaye's points at all cost.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/22 07:00 AM
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I'm not talking about DV The rest of us are. Beyond petty domestic problems Oh fuck off.
/r/MensRights19/07/22 06:50 AM
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The evidence I have been shown of this is strictly physical abuse Well there you go. Sounds like you're making a broad conclusion based on bounded data.
/r/MensRights19/07/22 06:43 AM
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Empathy gap exhibit A right here. Or did I let myself get hit by my ex over and over just because I had a pErSeCuTiOn fEtIsH?
/r/MensRights19/07/22 06:40 AM
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Your comment is literally a whataboutism based on a half-truth.
/r/MensRights19/07/22 06:38 AM
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Little boys being circumcised without their consent? Patriarchy. I literally had someone argue that male-only circumcision is male privilege, because it's rooted in the misogynistic belief that men can tolerate more pain than women. I've rarely lost my temper on the internet, but that was one of those times...
/r/MensRights18/07/22 03:46 PM
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100% agree with that!
/r/MensRights18/07/22 03:32 PM
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This "strength means tolerating abuse" mentality led to me being trapped in abusive situations for years because I thought I was "being the bigger person." It's fine to have empathy for people who struggle with mental health issues and exhibit toxicity. That doesn't mean we should disregard the boundaries, well-being, and safety of those around them. OP is in an emotionally and physically violent relationship with a partner who has the potential to destroy his life. If she is not being an adult …
/r/MensRights18/07/22 03:31 PM
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Thanks for the video. I'm aware of those women and how they debated conscription back in the day. However, it doesn't seem right to say that feminists "addressed" this issue, or most. Men still face many of the same issues today, and for the past few decades those issues have been exacerbated by feminist policies, not ameliorated.
/r/MensRights18/07/22 03:25 PM
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Not the guy you're asking, but I always have this link at my fingertips so I'll just respond to this as well: https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/ And now the real surprise: when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to penetrate”—either by physical force or due to intoxication—at virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011). In other words, if being made to penetrate someone was counted a…
/r/MensRights17/07/22 09:44 PM
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Yep. Nepal: Women’s rights activists had criticised the draft ordinance saying it wasn’t empathetic towards the plight of the victims. They said that having a provision saying even men could be victims of rape could could further weaken the women rape victims’ fight for justice. India: "One pernicious provision of the Ordinance 2013, upheld by the Committee report is blanket gender neutrality of the perpetrator of sexual harassment, assault and rape. Put simply: unlike in existing law where the …
/r/MensRights17/07/22 09:40 PM
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The updated law is still sexist. Only male rapists will be tallied per the definition of penetration used, so gay male victims are now counted, but not female-on-male rape. Men have campaigned in multiple countries for a truly inclusive law, and women's group successfully lobbied against them. This bears repeating: legal updates which would have included the overwhelming majority of male rape victims, while not removing or detracting from women's rights in any way, were successfully torpedoed by…
/r/MensRights17/07/22 08:32 PM
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She isn't a friend, she's a violent abuser. The woman you love isn't the woman you're married to.
/r/MensRights17/07/22 08:22 PM
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Thanks. From a man: same to you. I hope the stuff that's going on now (assuming you're in the U.S.) gets reversed/resolved so women can get their reproductive autonomy back.
/r/MensRights17/07/22 08:32 AM
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Seems like a wild inference based on made-up, sexist aspersions about men not genuinely loving their children. Here's what we know: during pregnancy, an imbalance of desire will result in a single mom or no kid at all. During divorce/separation in many countries, family courts overwhelmingly award custody to the mother, even if she is clearly unfit to be a mother. Here's what you assume: the men in between those two relationship bookends derive their love of their kids from their love with the m…
/r/MensRights17/07/22 08:21 AM
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Yes, because women have the unique ability to terminate the pregnancy. Only the mother wants the kid: single mom. Only the father wants the kid: no kid. The whole argument that most single parents are women is tautological.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 09:31 PM
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I don't want to downvote you or fight you too hard on this because ultimately FGM is a serious issue that needs to be stamped out globally, but I don't see that article supporting what you're saying. It looks like the overwhelming majority of FGM happens outside of Western society, not within it.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 09:24 PM
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It does happen from time to time here, unfortunately. This thread recently was a shitshow. HOWEVER, every single time I've reported hateful comments/threads to the mods here, they take appropriate action. Every. Single. Time. And before those comments are removed, there's almost always dissent from pro-MRA users who reject sexism against women. On TwoX, mods leave up thousands of sexist comments every week (literally - they just never remove comments that are genuinely hateful towards men), whil…
/r/MensRights16/07/22 04:25 PM
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Women do not apologise. Ever. What? Seriously? Of course there are women out there who can sincerely apologize. I've had women in my life, both as partners and friends, who had no trouble taking personal responsibility when the situation called for it. I've also dated women like you describe, but in no rational perspective do those women reflect the entire gender. A woman will say “I fell pregnant”. I've never heard anyone saying they "fell pregnant." That sounds like a bizarre use of the Englis…
/r/MensRights16/07/22 04:19 PM
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Just want to post the opposing point of view. Someone recently asked TwoX how they feel about men's rights, which indirectly answers your question (p.s., do not brigade): https://np.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/vv50u3/hello_i_want_to_put_an_idea_out_there_to_try_to/ Keep in mind that all these comments have been upvoted, and (more importantly, because shitty comments sometimes get upvoted everywhere, including here) this is reflective of their larger outlook on men and men's advocacy: S…
/r/MensRights16/07/22 04:10 PM
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Yep. That's despite the fact that comments sometimes pop up in that sub while are explicitly misandrist. (Like, there was one comment that said "I'll come out and say it: I'm a misandrist and there's nothing wrong with that.) Wrote a whole diatribe of how she hated men. I noted their rule in the sidebar about no misandry. I reported the comment. You can guess whether they took any action.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 03:55 PM
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It was probably instantly removed by their automod for mention men's rights. If you navigate to your post and log out of your account, you will be able to see whether it was removed. Users can't tell that their own posts have been removed while they're logged in.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 03:53 PM
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Yup. Likewise, there have been comments in that sub that say all men who claim they were abused are lying abusers, and one women even just came out and said she openly hated men, and that sexism against men was justified. Since their #1 rule includes "no misandry," I reported those comments to the mods. Guess how many were removed...
/r/MensRights16/07/22 03:51 PM
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That subreddit is mostly out-and-out commies. No, that's not an exaggeration, they literally had a thread a while back asking about the political leanings of the sub, and the overwhelming majority of the replies endorsed communism. So you can guess how absurd and radical that subreddit is in practice.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 03:46 PM
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I'm sure in the larger MGTOW movement there are lots of guys who have been genuinely harmed/destroyed by family courts and false accusations, but a lot of the MGTOW-based forums online do devolve into hatred pretty quickly and get flooded by people just looking to shit on women. I watched a bit of OP's video, and while I agree with him that the forums are incredibly toxic and unhelpful, the one thing I disagreed with was the notion that male anger is inherently invalid. Some of the things that t…
/r/MensRights16/07/22 03:25 PM
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Let me grace you with reddit's most downvoted comment of all time: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/seriously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dppum98
/r/MensRights16/07/22 03:14 PM
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Very good point. I know this is anecdotal, but my coworker was advised by his lawyer to not got to trial, because it would result in heartbreak and high financial costs. (In the end, my coworker chose to fight for custody of his kids against his blatantly, unabashedly abusive ex-wife, and he ended up getting hosed. A super sweet dude who always wanted to be a father lost so much of his life to a malignant narcissist and a family court system that enabled her.) So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if…
/r/MensRights16/07/22 03:09 PM
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i (23f) just stumbled upon this subreddit randomly. i will be very honest, at first i thought this was an incel subreddit. i know, i should not have thought that. i apologize. I don't think you have anything to apologize for. Many of us thought the same thing until we either experienced one of these issues ourselves, or curiosity got the better of us. Regardless, thanks for your empathy. It's how change begins!
/r/MensRights16/07/22 01:56 PM
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So it U.S. states where marital rape is still legal, you think it isn't wrong to rape your spouse?
/r/MensRights16/07/22 01:35 PM
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Some of the more prevalent forms of FGM remove "only" the clitoral hood, or nothing at all. They're still illegal because children have rights.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 01:32 PM
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YOU DO YOU But I can't do this when I was needlessly circumcised as a baby, which is the whole point.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 01:29 PM
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The foreskin.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 01:25 PM
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False beliefs predict increased circumcision satisfaction. You have it backwards, men who express approval of their circumcision have more often than not been fed misinformation or swallowed myths about the practice. That is evidenced here by you reducing circumcision to "taking a little off the top." Removing functional, erogenous tissue from a baby's genitals is not the same thing as a haircut. Also, approximately one in eight American men expressed dissatisfaction with their circumcision. Tha…
/r/MensRights16/07/22 01:24 PM
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Circumcision needlessly and irreversibly robs a child of their future agency. None of the counter -examples you mentioned do that. If you think we can do whatever to kids because they don't have free will, can I get my daughter's breasts removed? After all, breast cancer is more deadly and significantly more common than anything allegedly addressed by circumcision.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 01:18 PM
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Men actually get custody a disproportionate amount of time when it's contested, and I think it's something ridiculously sexist like 80%. This "statistic" is based on the results of someone who interviewed a paltry 60 mothers in one U.S. state decades ago, who lumped together proven male abusers with unproven allegations made by the mother. This is like the "only 2% of rape accusations are false" myth. One person's questionable conclusion/opinion supports an agenda, so it spreads like wildfire un…
/r/MensRights16/07/22 01:12 PM
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No pediatrics organization recommends routine infant circumcision. Every medical recommendation that exists says that it should not be done, and even the AAP said that parents should consider their personal beliefs when deciding. The medical consensus is that the benefits are questionable, negligible, and/or obsoleted by modern medicine. By your reasoning, parents should have the ability to remove their daughter's breasts. That would have health benefits several orders of magnitude larger than m…
/r/MensRights16/07/22 12:41 PM
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The foreskin has functions and erogenous zones that are permanently lost to circumcision. Calling it a "turtleneck" makes it seem like it's an issue of accessorizing, instead of genital integrity. I don't know if it fits the textbook definition of persecution, but if we were cutting parts off of hundreds of millions of girls' genitals in the West while protecting the genital integrity of boys, nobody would argue that it wasn't persecution. I honestly can't comment on the euthanasia/suicide point…
/r/MensRights16/07/22 01:51 AM
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A bunch of things: The comment above was clearly referring to the West, where female genital integrity is protected under law. While dozens of countries across the globe still mutilate girls (all of which mutilate boys too), FGM has received international condemnation and advocacy. Removing all possible means of sexual pleasure is not the most common form of FGM, nor is that the most reported outcome among women in the countries that practice it. Some of the more prevalent forms of FGM literally…
/r/MensRights16/07/22 01:42 AM
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I confused you with the other user in this thread. Really sorry about coming at you like that, I'm pretty sure you haven't justified sexism. I was at the end of my rope with the other user any I didn't realize you were a different person. It is positively laughable to deny the reality. I explicitly acknowledged above that most positions of power are occupied by men. "Men still run things." No, most people running things are men, which granted, you acknowledged a moment earlier. Not "men run thin…
/r/MensRights15/07/22 10:55 PM
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if it's not part of your culture don't do it People can't make that choice when it's being irreversibly made for them.
/r/MensRights15/07/22 06:23 PM
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That's a reductive way of looking at it. Systemic sexism is not solely property ownership, and what matters as much as who was in power (reminder: an extreme minority of men) is who they have been aiding with that power. Never mind that with those extra rights came extra responsibilities. It wasn't equality and of course it was wrong, but everyone, men and women, were getting shafted back in the day. It's a pretty crummy "patriarchy" if it's run by men but all our institutional advocacy goes tow…
/r/MensRights15/07/22 06:21 PM
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Say it with me: children have human rights.
/r/MensRights15/07/22 06:13 PM
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It's a foundational element of human rights, but if stomping your feet and looking away is how you justify infant genital mutilation, you do you.
/r/MensRights15/07/22 11:41 AM
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Except much of the world's FGM is less invasive than male circumcision, and people who have actually researched the issue say that blaming "patriarchy" is a red herring, since FGM it's prominently propagated by women.
/r/MensRights15/07/22 11:27 AM
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It's not incorrect, the overwhelming medical opinion is that circumcision isn't needed and the "benefits" don't justify the procedure. What other healthy tissue can we remove from a baby without it being pointless? Future autonomy is not hollow buzzwords, it's the core of the whole issue. Just because children cannot provide informed consent, does not mean it's ethical to rob them of choices they can make about their own damn body as adults. Yeah, and compared to vaccines (or any medically suppo…
/r/MensRights15/07/22 11:23 AM
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Type 1a: Removal of the clitoral hood. (Arguably most analogous to Western male circumcision.) Type 1b: Removal of the clitoral hood and clitoral glans. Type 2: A group of procedures that involve modification/removal of the labia minora, labia majora, and/or the clitoral glans. Type 3: Infibulation - sewing shut of the vagina at a young age. Simple to describe, but often with horrific lifelong consequences. Type 4: All less invasive procedures that don't alter the girl's anatomy. Common examples…
/r/MensRights15/07/22 03:43 AM
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One of those things painfully, pointlessly, and permanently robs the child of his future autonomy, while the other has universally-touted medical benefits and doesn't affect the kid's future agency in the slightest.
/r/MensRights15/07/22 03:37 AM
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It definitely depends on the parent, but I'd honestly be surprised if it's mostly mothers pushing it, at least among secular circumcisions. (My mom is 100% the reason I was circumcised, but she was religious and my dad wasn't.) There's a very real phenomenon called adamant father syndrome, where the dad is basically compelled to reenact the trauma of circumcision on his child because the alternative is to admit it is cruel and unnecessary. Also, this isn't directed at you, but I hate when mother…
/r/MensRights15/07/22 03:35 AM
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Circumcision, conscription, family courts, excessive incarceration...the idea that men have had bodily autonomy is patently absurd.
/r/MensRights15/07/22 03:32 AM
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Women perpetuate FGM. Why don't women end it?
/r/MensRights15/07/22 03:29 AM
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The mental gymnastics you've already gone through to describe it as a "patriarchy" instead of merely calling it what it actually is - institutionalized traditional gender roles - is even more insane. But hey, keep nonsensically blaming white men, that'll be super productive. Then again, you already justified misandry above, so I don't know why I think shaming your bigotry will lead to you reconsidering anything.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 09:27 PM
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Thank you, you too.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 09:22 PM
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That's weird. So where men are struggling in Japan, white men are also to blame? Egypt and India too? Never mind that the group that created the system isn't synonymous with rich men just because rich men comprise the majority of elites. It also wasn't created by men in general, it evolved by everyone in society holding what we now understand to be archaic expectations of each other. Ninety-nine percent of men who have ever existed had zero input into the roles and obligations thrust upon them, …
/r/MensRights14/07/22 09:08 PM
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Honestly OP, given how toxic some people get on social media, the best thing is probably to tuck your most vulnerable thoughts behind a separate account. I'm not blaming you for that other guy being a miserable jerk, but your mental health is worth safeguarding from fuckups like him. I'm really sorry you experienced that, though. I've have people try to needle at insecurities using my profile before, and while it almost always bounces off of me, one time it didn't, and I felt so fucking raw afte…
/r/MensRights14/07/22 08:58 PM
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That's fantastic, but some parents have stories of being hounded repeatedly by hospital staff to do it. I wish your experience was universal, but we're not there yet.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 08:54 PM
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Almost every sentence in this comment is incorrect in some way.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 08:52 PM
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Systemic oppression isn't caused by women or men. That doesn't mean systemic sexism against men doesn't exist.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 08:44 PM
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You were downvoted because you made a fallacious and completely unnecessary comparison between MGM and FGM, not because of your gender.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 08:38 PM
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Probably the "illiterates" who are familiar with how FGM actually manifests throughout the world and recognized the billionth comment on reddit to incorrectly (and needlessly) compare the severity to MGM. But as someone who is literate and very proud of it, I'm sure you already knew that.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 08:37 PM
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By your line of reasoning, if my husband cheats on me and I kill myself, I'm dead because of him. He is the reason I am dead. Sounds silly doesn't it? I don't think that sounds silly at all, and I doubt many people would. If a friend was cheated on and took their life, I would definitely blame the cheating spouse.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 08:32 PM
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Sure, if you ignore all the systemic sexism against men, then there's no systemic sexism against men. Guys, we fixed our problems! We just have to pretend they don't exist!
/r/MensRights14/07/22 08:26 PM
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They would definitely "reinterpret" that argument to, "oh, so you think men are just entitled to have sex with their wives whenever? You know marital rape isn't a thing anymore, right?"
/r/MensRights13/07/22 10:03 PM
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Yup. "Freeze" is a survival tactic, just like fight and flight. I'm really sorry that happened to you. Hope you're in a good place now.
/r/MensRights13/07/22 10:00 PM
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My girlfriend has on numerous occasions told me she has a genuine hatred towards Jews, and openly but proudly admits that she is an anti-Semite. What would you tell a Jewish friend who came to you with this? Yes, your girlfriend may be acting out her trauma, but you are not responsible for fixing it. Every single person on Earth has issues. Good partners will offer a sincere apology for her kind of behavior and seek treatment. Her faux apology amounts to "I'm sorry you feel that way." It doesn't…
/r/MensRights12/07/22 07:41 PM
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Rest of her behavior over the course of the entire day in that thread: "I didn't rape/assault him, I'm not a rapist, I'm a good person, he should have acted differently if he really didn't want it," etc. For the final time: she was seeking reassurance that she didn't assault him.
/r/MensRights12/07/22 05:09 PM
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Again, no she does not think she messed up. She was seeking reassurance and she didn't get it.
/r/MensRights12/07/22 10:57 AM
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She spent hours in the comments blaming her boyfriend and insisting that she didn't rape him. She didn't actually make the post because she believes she assaulted him, she was just looking for reassurance from she didn't do anything wrong.
/r/MensRights12/07/22 10:44 AM
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Imagine being presented with a hypothetical and then taking it as an attack. It was an attack. Don't be obtuse. out right calling someone a rape apologist Well, you're a rape apologist. You're so obsessed with who's the child here, yet you're incapable of standing by your words. Huh. Keep up the paranoia, though. I'm sure your partner will appreciate how difficult it is for you to acknowledge that people aren't perfect, and it's as much your responsibility to honor their boundaries as it is thei…
/r/MensRights12/07/22 12:21 AM
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You come off to me as somebody who'd leave their wife for pushing for sex a bit too hard So mUcH fOr aD HoMiNeMs, right? Hypocrite. If you cannot enforce your own boundaries Yeah, and a big part of being in relationships is navigating those boundaries with your partner and being vulnerable. Beause you're still a child, who thinks you need to be a "flawless robot" in order to communicate like an adult So mUcH fOr aD HoMiNeMs. Also, a pathetic strawman. like me... so much for your ad hominem I nev…
/r/MensRights11/07/22 11:56 PM
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Where did OP even insinuate it was all women? You're responding to something that wasn't said.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 09:30 PM
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Why even beat around the bush? Just go full throttle and call me a rapist Because you're not a rapist. Just a rape apologist. No one wants to be in a relationship with a child who can't enforce boundaries Yes, and no one wants to be in a relationship with an emotionally unintelligent infant like yourself who thinks that to be an adult, someone must be a flawless robot who never freezes up, panics, doubts themselves, or caves under pressure. Someday you'll learn that people aren't computers where…
/r/MensRights11/07/22 09:28 PM
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Sexual assault.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 05:38 PM
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Pushing boundaries does not mean forcing a sexual encounter after your partner has said no. Fuck off rape apologist.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 05:37 PM
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