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LittleGanymede/r/MGTOW10/08/18 06:08 PM
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LittleGanymede/r/askTRP14/10/18 03:08 PM
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DiscussionLittleGanymede/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:36 PM
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LittleGanymede/r/askTRP02/12/18 04:38 PM
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LittleGanymede/r/MGTOW230/07/18 01:41 PM
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LittleGanymede/r/MGTOW28/07/18 04:34 PM
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DiscussionLittleGanymede/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 06:01 PM
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CMVLittleGanymede/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 04:42 PM
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LittleGanymede/r/MGTOW218/11/18 04:19 PM
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Please elaborate more on this. I'm thinking about moving to either the Netherlands or Denmark in the next decade. In your experience, or the experience of anyone here, how well do those countries treat their men?
/r/MGTOW203/11/20 12:52 PM
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I will definately be adopting and I will do it as a single parent. It is a lifelong dream of mine. Everything I am doing now is to prepare for that. In a few years I will be opening my house to foster care. Much easier to adopt after you foster. That is a perfectly valid goal. It is a way to give someone a much better childhood. A childhood they deserve. Teach a lost soul how to thrive in the world. Give them the love they deserve and were denied. Though no fault of their own children that need …
/r/MGTOW216/04/19 11:51 AM
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Unless raising a child IS what you want, like it is for me. I will be adopting. Those studies are about. Irresponsible single mothers. There are no studies that talk about responsible and prepared single fathers. If you have the time and money anf the will then do it. There are plenty of kids who woild be much better with a father that chose them.
/r/MGTOW216/04/19 11:41 AM
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A country's population not having sex and having babies for the government to tax and wage slave is a HUGE problem. It is very news worthy. Especially for a xenophobic country like Japan which has very little immigration to make up for the falling birthrates.
/r/MGTOW210/04/19 05:22 PM
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To summarize, I think it's an issue of independence and the fact that we now care more about individuals than we could afford to hundreds and thousands of years ago. It's all relative to society. A thousand years ago a 14 year old was seen as old enough to go to war. As times change, life expectancy increase, people become "dependents" for longer and longer. Also we start to care more about the invidual quality of life. When life expediencies were low and mortality high a society NEEDED young te…
/r/MGTOW227/03/19 04:24 PM
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Have you tried online chat rooms. I've had a lot of fun building relationships with random strangers and roleplaying. No commitment, you can be whoever you want to be, and it's still real human interactions.
/r/MGTOW204/03/19 05:54 PM
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What's your strategy for tax savings? Municipal Bonds? Index funds?
/r/MGTOW204/03/19 01:40 PM
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Yes. Give me your perspective.
/r/MGTOW201/03/19 12:44 AM
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It's called reality. It's free.
/r/MGTOW201/03/19 12:44 AM
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Bernie has the dems in the bag according to every poll. The influence of the rich is a factor but limited. Trump's compaign spent far less money and he still one. And Hillary was super Rich friendly. IT's about the votes. Bernie has name recognition now, something he didn't have in 16, and he STILL gave Hillary Clinton a run for her money. And Hillary Clinton had huge name recognition. Bernie vs Trump. Wouldn't eve be close. Not according to literally any measurable factor. To make an argument f…
/r/MGTOW225/02/19 05:54 PM
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All the polls and data available shows him winning all the areas that Hillary lost. Bernie smashes the rust belt, secures blue states. Michigan, Pennsylvania, even Florida go to Bernie in poll after poll. Trump can't win without the rust belt. Just that fact alone secures victory for Bernie. Even ignoring the fact that Bernie is literally the most popular Politian and has been for the last 2 years. He won't win if he dies maybe lol.
/r/MGTOW225/02/19 04:54 PM
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Yea if Trump isn't going against Bernie Trump will win. Bernie will smash Trump but first he'd have to win the primary and we know how rigged those are.
/r/MGTOW225/02/19 01:32 PM
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Help with?
/r/MGTOW222/02/19 03:19 AM
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Your post completely missed my point.
/r/MGTOW222/02/19 03:10 AM
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I'm still failing to see how these statements have lead to policy changes.
/r/MGTOW221/02/19 10:54 PM
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What weapons do they use to pass policy that does not use shaming language?
/r/MGTOW221/02/19 09:24 PM
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You are right. This isn't debatable. IN our society even the children with the most unfit parents are likely to survive. So this isn't debatable. You can just spit out a ton of kids and they will likely survive no matter the quality of sperm given. It's just statistics.
/r/MGTOW221/02/19 03:50 PM
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The feminists affecting change actually have an agenda. You can find any radical from any group who makes a comment like that. The feminists actually affecting policy and social change are actually accomplishing things with shameful speech.
/r/MGTOW221/02/19 03:48 PM
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Did you study Biology? This is wrong. Biological fitness is defined not by offspring, but by offspring that have children. If you have 80 babies but they all die of starvation and stupidity and I have one baby but it gets married and has 1 baby then I am infinitely more fit than you. And parents can CERTAINLY do many things after that baby is plopped out to increase the likelihood that it is going to have children of its own who are more likely to have children of their own, etc... This would be…
/r/MGTOW221/02/19 02:16 AM
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Wrong, because while supply and demand really give women the power of choice, that does not mean that women are the authorities of genetic fitness. What I mean is, when you are looking at evolutionary fitness (which is what determines the direction of evolution) then a single man, if they are a 'Chad', is FAR more fit than any women out there BECAUSE of their ability to spit out a billion sperm a day or whatever. They are MUCH more capable of passing their genes down more times than any woman. Y…
/r/MGTOW221/02/19 12:20 AM
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Thanks for taking the time to reply to this. I know you are on mobile so I'll keep that in mind as we converse Brother. You forget that men can give sperm most of their lives making them still having fitness. Women after menopause are less useful. What I'm considering is the fact that all men can give their side of procreation way more often than women. They makes the reproductive side for a woman therefore a lot more scarce. Since ALL MEN can constantly spit out sperm, the value of the individu…
/r/MGTOW220/02/19 08:24 PM
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If you want value outside of what you can provide to people, you have to give it to yourself. Even in Disney fantasies the princes were valued for what they provided. Whether that be emotional support, or charm, or their things. That is a fundamental truth. People will only like you for what you give them. The only exception to this rule is your mother and father when you are a child. They love you no matter how useless you are because they get satisfaction from your mere existence. Outside of t…
/r/MGTOW220/02/19 05:55 PM
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I have a slightly different perspective on this. Men, and most males of the animal kingdom are indeed disposable. That's simply a fact. Once a man gives his seed and the child is cared for or likely to be cared for, his job is done. He can die. That IS treating men like humans. Human men are disposable. Think of it this way. When the female black widow bites the head off of the male blackwidow, the female is treating the male like a spider. When feminists call us scum, or dogs, or devalue our li…
/r/MGTOW220/02/19 05:20 PM
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Not according to literally all the top comments here. Why do you believe most people here disagree with you and advocate for hiding signs of weakness and feelings of vulnerability?
/r/TheRedPill19/02/19 04:08 PM
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Preech Brotha. This was the comment I was looking for. This thread is full of people essentially saying "he wasn't man enough because he showed weakness." He had his life together and could function on a day by day basis. Yet because he decided to open up in private to someone he thought he could trust with all of himself they, the people in this sub, are calling him a pussy. What a load of horseshit. I pity the existence of anyone who feels like they have to be this stone wall of emotion in ord…
/r/TheRedPill19/02/19 02:02 PM
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The is contradictory to the top comments in this thread. Most are saying you should hide your feelings.
/r/TheRedPill19/02/19 01:58 PM
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No woman who treats me like a cuck is staying my woman for long. Hence why I dumped the last single mother I dated that forgot her place.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/02/19 04:13 AM
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"I may not be your father, but I'm your daddy."
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/02/19 01:47 PM
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Shawshank redemption. Lucky
/r/MGTOW215/01/19 02:29 PM
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We are in agreement my man.
/r/MGTOW213/01/19 01:40 PM
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Virginity does not imply helplessness. If anything it implies self control and purpose. An "equal partner" is an empty term because men and women aren't equal. They can never be equal. Men and women need different things. We are fundementally different. As long as the women is the only one capable of giving birth, there is no such thing as equality in the relationship. You are just coming up with an arbitrary meaning for "equal partner" in your head. And equal has nothing to do with whether or n…
/r/MGTOW213/01/19 01:29 AM
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I'd definintely rather be a man but I could survive as a woman. I'd much rather raise a boy than a girl. But either way I'd teach them how to thrive in the world. I'd teach them from an early age what to expect and have them get used to the idea behind certain redpill truths so when they eventually run into them as an adult they aren't lost and are able to find happiness while working within the system because they've prepared to be a part of that system all their lives. It would be nice to have…
/r/MGTOW212/01/19 11:24 PM
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Is it really motherly love then if motherly love varies from mother to mother and is often conditional? What not just call it love? If a mother's love fades over time or only lasts for so long, lets say when the man reaches a certain age, then how is that different from a woman's love normally? Maybe a few women will have no problem supporting their sons living in the basement with no rent and no other contribution to the household besides their presence, but I don't find that that is the majori…
/r/MGTOW212/01/19 11:09 PM
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The traits you describes simply sounds like "decent human being. Plus mothers didn't actually have that. You couldn't outright argue with your mother because she was an athority figure. Your mother wasn't loyal to you because, most of us, aren't fucking our mother. It's apples and oranges. "Be a decent human being." That's it. Don't cheat, don't argue over inconsequential shit, bring something of value for the value you are receiving. This isn't just related to mothers. Mothers may or may not br…
/r/MGTOW212/01/19 09:35 PM
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Not directly no. I'd always want to support my children. I wouldn't be against them getting married if that's what they really wanted to do. By the time they got married they'd have a ton of knowledge about the dangers and costs. I'd teach my children to be smart about money. If they were emotionally dumb I'd maybe give them some starting money then they could try to figure out how to come up with the rest. Maybe investments or real estate. Same for college or vocational school. I'd always help …
/r/MGTOW225/12/18 03:00 PM
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I don't see how it's against my case?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 05:43 AM
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Yes. 100% of men leave their wives, 80% of women leave their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 07:53 PM
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Run. She doesn't respect you and she honestly doesn't respect herself. She is damaged goods who went through a bunch of alpha bad boys who wouldn't commit and now she is an alpha widow and comparing you to past chads who's disrespect and lack of care for her gave her the tingles. Fucking run.
/r/MGTOW212/12/18 06:08 PM
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Americans at least, and I'll talke about them because I am one, is a melting pot. We are a conglomeration of a ton of different cultures. Our government is run based on money. And that money typriclaly comes from those who had it in the past. Elites. It's beneficial to keep us divided because if the people rise up and actually care about one another capitalism wouldn't really work that well. It boils down to money. Dividing people is profitable. Also it's hard to have different people care about…
/r/MGTOW212/12/18 06:02 PM
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That's always been a thing. That's just boys being boys. At least in America. Honestly, me and my best friend go out all the time and people think we are gay. It's just an American macho thing.
/r/MGTOW212/12/18 05:47 PM
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Check that stat again. All relationships where the woman goes to prison end in divorce. Over 80 percent end in divorse in the opposite case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 05:09 PM
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In certain circumstances pretty much all relationships fail. If one partner goes to prison the relationship ends. Period. Stuff like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 05:21 AM
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Good advice. So what about good men that end up raising sluts. What are they doing wrong?
/r/askTRP02/12/18 05:51 PM
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Yet we hear stories of women going out with the bad boys when their dads aren't that type. Also it's not just about who she decides to enter LTR relationships with. It's also about who she is attracted to even for casual encounters. Personnally, I'd want my daughter to only ever have sex in long term, commited relationships. And ideally not before she is 18 so she can make a real informed choice about her sexual choices since her sexual history is going to matter very much to many high quality g…
/r/askTRP02/12/18 05:37 PM
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Oh you are asking me? I just recently got hired into a new banking position.
/r/askTRP02/12/18 05:34 PM
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Who are you asking that question?
/r/askTRP02/12/18 05:31 PM
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The idea of confidence is that you believe in your ability to accomplish something backed up by past experience. If I've been a welder for 10 years I'm confident in my ability to weld. How does this relate to dating? What exactly are you confident in? Confidence in yourself has to have context.
/r/MGTOW02/12/18 05:05 PM
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What would you teach her to try and prevent her from hanging out with sluts and players? And why?
/r/askTRP02/12/18 04:53 PM
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Bro dogs are more loyal than women. Dogs will watch their master's grave after the master dies. And they are extremely easy to please. Your child isn't going to love you either if you let the child starve. Don't compare dogs to people. Dogs are better than people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 02:27 PM
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Women don't love in the Disney fantasy way. They expect you to always meet a certain standard, even in sickness, or they will leave. Love is conditional and temporary. Having said that, yes women do Love, it's just not the love we were taught when we grew up. Romantic Love is simply a bodily function that compels us to breed. Women do feel that, even if it is temporary and conditional. It's a big deal that the Disney fantasy is a lie and that a woman, once in love with you, isn't always going to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 02:17 PM
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Yep, that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 02:03 PM
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Even if I gave you a story about a friend of mine who's life was severally damaged by an accusation it wouldn't change your mind about anything so what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 08:33 AM
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No, no I don't. Thinking about getting a blender.
/r/PussyPassDenied29/11/18 09:34 PM
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How do I turn the parts into literal dust legally?
/r/PussyPassDenied29/11/18 07:44 PM
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Nah. I need to destroy it. Wipe it from the face of the earth.
/r/PussyPassDenied29/11/18 07:16 PM
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They can pick it up with a crane. I need a garenteed way. I was thinking about going to a corener and paying them to burn it in a furnace. Or you, telling my friend to do that. You know.... Any legitimate ways to do something like that?
/r/PussyPassDenied29/11/18 06:55 PM
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Who is that?
/r/PussyPassDenied29/11/18 06:38 PM
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"drunk sex and blacked-out-slurring sex are too different things. " Who is to say who is too drunk to have sex? No he never got charged. He just has a woman out there who thinks he raped her. He had sex with her, he says it's consentual but we know that when it comes to courts if she were to accuse him he'd have to spend thousands defending himself. She has as much evidence against him as that woman did against Cosby. So he is just not right. Still he is out there slaying pussy though. It hasn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 06:37 PM
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That seems subject to error. How do I know how much dust is enough dust by eye sight? What exactly is forensics using to find this stuff?
/r/PussyPassDenied29/11/18 06:22 PM
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How did they retrieve this data forensically and what is a foolproof way to delete your data or history from your phone or computer so it can never be recovered, ever? Asking for a friend.
/r/PussyPassDenied29/11/18 06:06 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 04:37 PM
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That's the worst advice imaginable. The real advice is learn to mitigate risk. "If the idea of gambling and losing all your money is appealing to you then never take a risk ever." Absolutely ridiculous. Just take precautions. Discover what you are comfortable with and not comfortable with based on the reward and make sure you set proper boundries to protect yourself. In his case, they have drunk sex. So not having sex while drunk is a standard. In my case years ago I asked one of my coworkers ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 04:37 PM
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It's completely flawed logic. It ignores the fact that a lot of language and communication is non-verbal and we communicate a lot of things about ourselves without ever saying a word. The distaste is based out of ignorance. It's basically saying "I don't like that you are verbaling sending me approval for the way I choose to express myself." Even if these women don't realize it that's what they are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 04:04 PM
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Please read and respond to my other comment which I went into more detail about my thoughts about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 04:00 PM
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I agree it may be what they value MOST, but to say it's the ONLY thing they value is completely ridiculous. Now that you used the word "most" I think we agree. And what's wrong with valuing appearance in a woman most? Especially things you can control. If someone compliments your hair, your choice of clothing, your nails, those are all expressions of yourself. They are complimenting your personal self expression. Your appeance is a huge part of your identity. It's a huge part of your personality…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 04:00 PM
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That's your insecurity which you need to work on. Maybe a therapist could help you work through that. Unless someone specifically says "I like your hair and it's the only thing about you of value" then you are making assumption. Negatives assumptions. Again, a therapist could really help you out. The right therapist at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 03:50 PM
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Complimenting something about a person you like doesn't mean that's the only thing they like about you. You must have very low opinions of human beings in general if you believe they are that one dimensional.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 03:16 PM
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If someone compliments you do you think they only value that aspect of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 02:20 PM
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Actually it's the exact same thing on pretty much every dating app. Go to Plenty of Fish or OKcupid. Exact same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 02:07 PM
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Being picky is a bad trait if it's because you overvalue yourself. Which pretty much every women does. Especially the single moms. They are picky when in the wrong areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 02:03 PM
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I know a guy like that. A woman accused him of raping her. He is an extrovert that slays pussy constantly yet he has told me multiple times that he fears that if he is successful that this girl will accuse him of rape. So I don't really think being an extrovert who is comfortable helps in all situations. There is always a risk. Have you seen the movie "Don Jon?" If so, would you say that Don was one of those laid back extroverted guys who never has a problem with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 02:01 PM
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True. No contesting that. Is there a country that is an example of what happens when a country goes from being high in innovation to making it hard for smart people to breed?
/r/MGTOW28/11/18 10:24 PM
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How much innovation is made by the children of lower class, uneducated dump people? What innovation do you think we are losing by breeding a bunch of dumb people. A lot of innovation is created by, essentially, geniuses who were born middle class or higher. Zuckelberg, Jobs, Gates. I don't think America being flooded by a bunch of poor kids is going to stop brilliant people from innovating.
/r/MGTOW28/11/18 09:58 PM
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The problem with these women is they are not properly educated and society and especially their own biology is sabotaging them. The problem is as much about outside factors as it is about the individual woman. They simply haven't been taught to truly vet. It's kind of tragic. I actually feel for these women on some level. They've been taught their entire lives to look for certain things and to be attracted to certain things. Things that has nothing to do with what makes a good partner for spendi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:55 PM
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"Decent conversation" is not in any way education dependent. It's interest dependent. If you are a business major and you marry someone who is a biologist she is no more likely to be able to have a decent conversation with you than Jenny who works at McDonald's. You don't need a hecking degree to hold a conversation. That's a ridiculous notion. Hell even if she have a degree she may just genially not be interested in the thing you are interested in. You telling me that if you made friends with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:00 PM
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It matters not one bit at all in reality. If you met the right women who was perfect in every way accept she worked as a waiter, you wouldn't reject her because she isn't making enough money. Period. Hell that same woman could be in a ton of debt. Having an education does NOT make her financially stable. A waitress could net more money than a PHD when taking into consideration debt. This is where fantasy and reality collide. You may in your mind "prefer" someone who makes good money but it would…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:40 PM
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Unless you live in a India or something with arranged marriages you have the "right" to have any standard. If I choose, as a person that makes 7 figures, never to date women over 25 and who aren't at least a 9, that's my propagative. Just understand that your decisions have consequences and when your standards are too high for your value, you end up lonely and bitter. It's not about "rights." It's about dealing with the consequences of your standards. If you are a single mother of 2 over 30, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 07:46 PM
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The US is most likely not going to have a population problem within any of our lifetime even without the immigrants. Just so you know immigration has been a net loss in the last 10 years. Poor, stupid people are going to continue to pop out babies no matter what the cost or how much they can't afford to. In fact the poorer and stupiter the more kids they are likely to have. The US will have plenty of kids to tax. They just won't be very successful.
/r/MGTOW28/11/18 06:02 PM
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How many people admired him for having a castle? How many people envied him? Or even knew he existed? That's what status is. Having "things" doesn't provide status in a vacuum. Having things that other people either want, envy, or admire is where status comes from. The Beast didn't have anyone's envy, desire, or admiration becuasse of his "things." Status comes from how people perceive the things you do or do not have. Beast did NOT have status.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 02:59 PM
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They acknowledge that the reason it is a sacrifice is because that is inherently unhealthy. And often times when people sacrifice in this way they are doing it on behave of someone. Often, a man sacrificing his sleep and health so he can provide for his family. Fat fucks aren't sacrificing anything for their unhealthy behavior. They are just being lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 02:25 PM
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Yep. There are certain segments of culture that advocate for unhealthy behavior. In college if anyone pulled an all nighter to get an assignement done our professors would scold us. Telling us that we "shouldn't be doing that." Because it's super unhealthy. Society knows pulling all nighters is unhealthy and they'll give pity in pretty much every case because you should be getting a full night's rest. Same for smoking. I'm sure you can find pockets of cultures that will advocate for smoking a ci…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 02:14 PM
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The only reason this is an issue is indeed because it's extremely unhealthy, and because it's unhealthy it looks unapppealing. Especially when women, and lets be clear, this is about accepting WOMEN who are fat, not men. So especially when women expect to be treated the same as those who are fit or skinny. This isn't really about fat acceptance. This is feminist wanting to be treated as if they aren't fat. They want the benefits of being able to eat a grotesque amount of calaries and still be se…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 01:04 PM
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Literally the first link the pops up in google when you search "divorce rate."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 02:49 AM
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According to the stats it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 02:34 AM
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The failure rate of marriage is 50 percent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 02:17 AM
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Argument from authority? I see? Also why are we discounting people with multiple divorces again?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 01:11 AM
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A survey taken suggested that only 13% of married coupled surveye claimed to be in happy marriages. Someone saying "I believe" does not a dubunking make.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 01:00 AM
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50 percent of marriages fail and most of those that remain are unhappy. I'd call that a failure of relationships to a massive degree. The reason they fail is because they choose their partner based on superficial standards that don't last. Like "what will people think about me being with this person."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 12:40 AM
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So the opinion of others. No wonder relationships are failing so spectacularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 12:24 AM
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What perks?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 12:09 AM
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"Believed" LOL, you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 11:59 PM
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I'd call that institution a failure then.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 11:59 PM
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This example is so all over the place I don't even know how to respond. So are you basically saying that the reason women in general are drawn to status is completely impractical today? If anything a man having status today makes me more of a target than those who are incognito. Seems like it's just to show off to other women. I'm talking the practical application of status today. Would you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 11:55 PM
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This isn't even including the fact that most marriages are also unhappy relationships. Think of how many marriages existt because it's "cheaper to keep her" or because they are in a very religious community and would be looked down upon in their community for leaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 11:48 PM
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It's 50%. Double check that. And some demographics are higher than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 11:46 PM
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"Again, I don't disagree with this. Status is a major driver of female attraction. But it's that way for a good reason."" What reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 11:45 PM
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Seeing as how most women get divorced I seriously doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 11:44 PM
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From a guys POV, yes. From the perspective anyone who wants a long lasting, stable, monogamous relationship and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 11:34 PM
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Well women can largely make their own money now, ambition is more about attitude than funds. She wants someone who is hungry. Someone that is unambitious is passive and feminine. You can't follow or depend on someone who is okay with failure. Failure is cruxial on the road to success. This is again woman-speak for "she wants someone who has a drive to give her status." "I agree it's useless, and personally it's not something I relate to. But it's something a lot of other women say they need. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 11:30 PM
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"Off the top of my head and in no particular order: aggression (to varying degrees), ambition, comfort, protection" I guess I'll rephrase. What do women need from men? Comfort isn't a characteristic. So you need a man who makes money and is willing to protect. Protection is pretty useless. There are very few situations where that would come in handly. Courage does the same thing, which compassion would fulfill. So basically, a man that makes money and wants to continue to make money to give the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 10:33 PM
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It's a good sign though. Being athletic makes you much more likely to succeed at being in the military. In fact sports is in a way a foundation for military life. Especially something like football for 99% of players. It's a team game. You follow orders from your Couch (captain), without question. You execute. You form bonds and do what you are told. You don't break the mold, you do what works. Team sports are the perfect environment to create productive soldiers. I bet that military recruiters …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 10:30 PM
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"Yes, these things are not what women need from a relationship. These are things that women provide in a relationship. If they valued those things in a romantic partner, they would date other women." In your opinion what do women need in a relationship? "Bet you 1 Reddit silver that if there was a knitting competition, the top guy would be married. Lots of band guys don't plan on making it a career. They do it with their buddies in a garage and get the occasional gig in exchange for free beers. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 10:21 PM
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Woman judge men based on how much money they make. That is hypergamy. And relationships are more successful when the woman is not making more than the man. Classic hypergamy. If women really didn't care what men made we exact to see more women marrying men who made less because why the hell would men work hard if they got the same quality of women? Also We would not see that women divorce men at higher rates for making less because money wouldn't matter. But because women are hypergamous and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 10:18 PM
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"I never disagreed with this point. I disagreed that there was a better metric for a partner." The argument you gave against compassion and kindness were nonsensical. What is your REAL argument against saying that compassion, kindness, empathy, conseration, are bad metrics to judge a partner? That's false, women love men with a passions. Hello sexy rock band guy! The chances of him ever getting rich and/or famous from it is next to zilch. But it's something that demonstrates skill and passion. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 10:13 PM
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Disagree. When someone shows hard work you assume they bring the same dedication too everything that is important to them (which has definitely been true in my experience). And successful is a smattering of all sorts of desirable qualities including determination, intelligence, patience, and so forth. Hardworking does not in any way correlate to being a good partner. If you believe otherwise please give a citation. "Those traits aren't attractive for a relationship because they don't make good p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 09:50 PM
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Just google it. I'm unable to google it but I'm pretty sure the last few times I checked this for someone it was one of the top 3 search option in google.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 09:43 PM
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Beast did NOT cave to Belle's bitcheness. Beast only positively responded to Belle when she was kind. Rewatch the movie. The moment they "clicked," personality wise was when Beast was having trouble eating his soup. He was making a mess. Did Belle scold him? Roll her eyes? Act like a bitch? Nah. She met him half way, picked up her plate and sipped from it. She adapted to him. Molded to him. They didn't start getting along until she stopped nagging. Earlier they were screaming at each other and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 09:37 PM
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The stat that women generally marry men who make at least as much money as they do or higher is pretty compelling. The more money a man makes the higher his status. Relationships where women make more money are subject to higher divorce rates. Having money gives men status but not women status. By choosing a man based on his income women are saying that they want a man of high status.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 09:06 PM
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If a woman is giving it up after a couple of dates and hasn't proven her worth than she is actually pretty bad at judging character. She just needs to learn to vet. And you vet on personality. They simply have poor vetting skills and need to go learn the skill. That someone is hardworking and successful doesn't in any way indicate they are going to be a good partner. But compassion, kindness, caring, loving, the things that make women dry, those are indicators of a good partner. Women just don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 09:04 PM
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Alright, let me clear this up right now. The Beast did NOT have status. His castle was cursed. No one acknowledged his power accept his creepy cursed objects who only did so our of fear. He didnt' even have their respect. He had their pity, which is not attractive at all. Being with him as a beast would give Belle no status what so ever. He was technically a prince and had "servants" but the nature of his situation completely nulfied any "status" she would attain by falling for him. His "status"…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 08:30 PM
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Big daddy government to the rescue. She doesn't need a man.
/r/MGTOW26/11/18 07:59 PM
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She didn't fall for a handsome man. She fell for a beast. She had no idea what he looked like when she grew tingles for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:35 PM
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Someone hasn't seen Beauty and the Beast.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:28 PM
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Rephrase the question please. I don't know what you are asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:15 PM
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I'll look it up when I have the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:15 PM
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Many don't have LTR parterns. Can't search it right now. I'm sure you can find it with a quick google search.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:04 PM
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How of those who have sex have steady girlfriends? Which is what I was referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:01 PM
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Male love is sacrificial. Whether that's naturally the case or taught, who knows. Female love strickly a product of her tingles. Either way, it's temporary, conditional, and fleeting. Just a chemical process to make people make babies. And yes, a man can very much love a woman he cheats on since his physical need for sex is fundamentally different than that of a woman. Not only is it less risky but he has been trained, by evolution, his entire life to pump and dump. So he can definintely do that…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:58 PM
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Yea, maybe most not getting multiple steady girlfriends but that rate is alarming. Women of course can get sex whenever they like but for men it's a matter of effort. So a lot of millennial men simply aren't getting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:54 PM
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Technology can combat hypergamy but not by allowing the breeding of children without women. The vast majority of men don't care about that shit. Hypergamy will be combated with functioning, intelligent sex bots role out. When sex bots become standard, which they will, men won't even really be looking at women because the effort it takes to get sex from them will be astronomical in comparison to their perfect loverbot/maid when they get home that will stroke their ego and their cock in the exact,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:39 PM
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Actually studies show that millennial. are having the least amount of sex then any previous generation. So yes, MOST young men aren't having sex and they aren't getting a girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:33 PM
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Pretty much. Availability relative to the availability of younger women. No men with a choice of younger women with similar personalities is going to choose the older women. In a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:24 PM
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"Besides, it's not only your unmanly nerd that does not shape up, the cadre of attractive Harem owners do not necessarily make great soldiers either." Great point. Women are still choosing men to have babies with, many of those men we'd qualify as "chads" are also not fit to be soldiers or support a family. Another solution to this is to lower the cost of having a child so someone can work part time and support a family. Then maybe women's standards go down. Unlikely though. Most women would sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:10 PM
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The way to make boys and men display the qualities that make them good cannon fodder is to make women worth dying for again by shaping women into beings that actually have use, like they did in the past. Until then, I don't think the guy playing Call of duty is going to care about his contribution to society until a foreign army is literally walking down the road. And again, why should they?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 05:52 PM
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According to this a "real man" is a man who is suited to sacrifice and give his resources to women. A "real spider" would be the male black widow that lets his head get bitten off by the female. If that's what makes a "real man" in China then they can keep their title. Also goes to show that true love doesn't really exist and relationships are, at their core, about the exchanging of resources. A transaction. Glorified prostitution. At least the Chinese are being a bit more overt about it. I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 04:12 PM
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Poor mothers have enough help. If I do donate it'll be to children without parents or poor men who are disproportionally disenfranchised.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 02:35 PM
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I've actually been looking into going to volunteer at my local Boys and Girl's club. If I ever donated to an adult organization it would be one for men since those are so under supported in proportion to women's organizations. I'm looking to become more active in my community. Especially since I'll be fostering and adopting in a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 06:12 PM
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My thoughts articulated perfectly. Stay out of my head.
/r/MGTOW25/11/18 05:54 PM
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That's what I was thinking. I definitely choose the best option of the options I considered at the time. I don't want to get in a fight with a parent who might think I'm calling their parental skills into question because they aren't around to watch their crying kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 05:39 PM
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How is her head game? I bet it's strong since she has to make up for being a single mother.
/r/MGTOW25/11/18 05:18 PM
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I didn't used to be back in my simp blue pill days. I would have literally accepted any woman. Now a days I definitely am.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 04:18 PM
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Thanks. I did some searching last night and couldnt' find it. I'm actually considering going to the library, which I haven't done in like 5 years.
/r/MGTOW225/11/18 02:32 PM
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What point do you think I have made that I haven't proven?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 02:31 PM
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Do you know a place I can read that book online for free? Any links, pdf's?
/r/MGTOW225/11/18 02:07 PM
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I didn't say you would. I said "if." in a hypothetical. Just google it. Theree are a ton of cases of people being murdered or assaulted for being mistake for pedophiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 02:05 PM
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It's actually against the rules of the sub to not believe someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 02:05 PM
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Couldn't find any conviction stories, just stories of men being murdered by people mistaking them for pedos. There are a ton of those. I'd qualify that as "getting in trouble."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 12:48 PM
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Ok I really have to get these books again now.
/r/MGTOW225/11/18 12:47 PM
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That makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 12:29 PM
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Eh, I've met a few fathers already who are confronted regularly when out with their child in places with kids. That you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Maybe you should think outside yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 12:29 PM
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If I sent you a few cases what would that prove? Would that change your mind about anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 12:28 PM
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Yes, that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 12:27 PM
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Ah so in your universe every time a woman is being assaulted or is in need she 1. Has access to a phone she is capable of using. So there is no situation where an assaultant is assaulting her and she simply cannot make a phone call. Or she is in a situation where she can't get to a phone. And 2. Help arrives in time to prevent her from being hurt. So if she is being assaulted by a crazy person, like that woman on the subway, the guy is going to stop, give her time to make the call, and then wait…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 02:31 AM
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That makes no sense. My presence could be the difference between her being unviolated that night and her being violated. You are actively advocating that men ignore women in distress. Interesting. I think I've fed the troll enough for one night.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 02:20 AM
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Since I'd leave how would I even know if she successfully defended herself? What if she doesn't? Men are far stronger than women and women do talk about how likely they are to be raped. It's far more likely for her to be victimized. I hope you are right though. I wouldn't wish anything bad on anyone. Hopefully she'll be strong enough, even though most women are not. More than most in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 02:12 AM
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I will be in that moment that a woman actually needs help from a semaritan. Every experience I have will determine, in that split second, whether I put myself on the line to help her. Maybe I do or maybe I become like those two guys on the train that moved to the next train when that woman was assaulted. I'm leaning towards letting her fend for herself. I'm sure her "independence" will save her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 01:52 AM
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If I ever see a woman being attacked/raped/assaulted/harassed, I'll remember this comment. About how ungrateful and entitled women can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 01:46 AM
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Ah so you'd get someone else. What if there was no one else?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 12:10 AM
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So if break in in my area were as low as the chance to be accused of sexual harrasment would you say I shouldn't bother locking my door?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 11:52 PM
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Definintely bad for children and men. Children are helped less and good men are ostricized, creating a less safe environment because the otherwise good men are weary about helping. And the thing is none of this has actually stopped predators. Predators are going to be predators regardless of paranoia.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 11:44 PM
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They will be. It's happening more and more. Men who give women the proper respect they deserve by letting them fend for themselves. Thanks for the support.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 11:43 PM
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But a break in has never happened to me. Also if you discovered that break ins happened less than unconfirmed sexual harrasment accusations would you change your mind and say that men should stop helping kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 11:42 PM
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I do actually cross the street when walking on the same side of the road with a woman walking alone at night just to make her feel safe. Also if she gets attacked I'll do the proper thing and leave her to fend for herself since I don't want to be sexist. If women need help got to ignore them. They are strong and indepedent. I have complete respect and will proudly turn the other way as they are assaulted. That's how they know I view them as equals and with respect. Why would I go out of my way t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 11:36 PM
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Is it rational?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 11:33 PM
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Interesting how sentements have changed. I feel like 20 years ago everyone would expect me to help the child. I don't think society has gotten any more dangerous for children in regards to strangers but the way we perceive things have changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 11:02 PM
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Now we are yes. That's not what I was talking about in the beginning though. I was talking about people acting in their own self interest. Entwined topics but still very seperate. Thanks for clarifying your confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 09:27 PM
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Or that yes. How would you feel if you stood by and did nothing while a love one suffering immensely in a way you could have prevented? How would you sleep at night?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 09:21 PM
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My position is that people generally act in their own best interest. A father that jumps in front of a bullet for his child is acting in his own best interest by protecting his legacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 09:15 PM
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I did proclaim that awalt means that woman act in their own best interest. Which is the topic we are discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 09:11 PM
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What exactly didn't I proclaim?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 09:04 PM
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I'm glad the dozens I've helped have never met you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 08:47 PM
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I've studied abusive victims for 10 years and written multiple peer reviewed articles about it. I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 08:29 PM
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kthxbye.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 08:28 PM
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That's a great assumption you just made. For all you know I could be a PHD with a focus in abusive relationships. I assume you are since you believe your experience invalidates mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 08:13 PM
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"Still only 2-10 percent of rape accusations are false." To clarify, only 2 to 10% of accusations are PROVEN to be false. Most accusations never go to court so this statistic is actually kind of useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 08:12 PM
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The basic thing is that most accusations never see a day in court. Yet we know the damage they do. That's the most alarming to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 08:10 PM
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That's the scope I've proclaimed from the beginning. Maybe you just didn't understand it until now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:41 PM
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Is my locking my door to my apartment every night driven by anxiety and fear? I've never had a break in. Ever, in my life. Yet I still lock my door. Is this anxiety and fear?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:41 PM
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Maybe not to you. I don't see how that warrants negativity. It's like asking "are you retarded?" If you don't understand something just ask for clarification. No need to make your ignorance someone else's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:39 PM
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Ok...I don't see how that adds to the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:37 PM
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No, not yet. That's because I avoid the situation. I have also never had someone break into my house but I lock my door every time I leave or enter. Am I being paranoid because I haven't had a break in?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:37 PM
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The thing is that AWALT is useful for a woman. It's why you have that nature. It's there to protect you. It can be used to get out of abusive relationships or abandon a man who isn't going to provide you the life you think you deserve. AWALT isn't saying that women are evil. It's just saying that women aren't looking out for the best interest of others over their self. They are looking for for number 1 first. And they SHOULD. If I have a daughter I'm going to teach her to embrace her nature. DON…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:36 PM
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Because you've decided it's in your best interest. If you didn't feel that staying with someone was best for you, you wouldn't stay. You wouldn't say "i'm miserable, there is no benefit to this relationship at all, but I'm giong to stay just so he is happy." That simply doesn't happen even if you THINK it would. People in abusive relationsihp have alternative reasons for staying. Like those tat stay because of religion. "I'm staying because it's expected of me and if I divorce I'll be ostricized…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:29 PM
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I'm asking questions. Are you always so negative towards people asking questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:26 PM
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kthxbye.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:26 PM
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Then there is the women who feel they "can't leave." Well we clearly aren't talking about them because it's not their CHOICE to stay. It's "stay or he murders me." that's not a real choice. And even in that situation, she is acting in her own best interest by avoiding death.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:25 PM
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Those women feel trapped. They feel they don't have a better option. They stay for themselves because "he isn't so bad." "He really loves me." If the woman didn't feel like the relationship was good to her she wouldn't stay. Those same women would defend those men and say things like "he is good to me." "He does this for me, and that for me." Me, me, me. Once a woman perceives her situation as not being in her best interest she looks out for herself. You can find woman who are in situations you …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:24 PM
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"You can self-preserve just fine without betraying people." I never claimed other wise. But when your best interest doesn't allign with someone else's best interest, a woman will chose her own. That's awalt. A woman will cheat on her husband rather than work her issues out with him if she feel it's not in her best interest to do so. A woman will divorce her husband if she feels it's too much work to work out their differences, even if the husband doesn't want it. If the option is my best interes…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:10 PM
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Someone says my name. In that case my entire family has to leave and that's if I'm not stopped by an employer or other person. And again, everything is on video so they could find me if they were accusing me of assaulting or trying to steal a child. Wouldn't you want to use video footage to find the identify of a potential kidnapper and pedophile?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:07 PM
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Ok troll. Thanks for the talk sublimemongrel.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:05 PM
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Yes, that is what it means. A woman will act in her own self interest at the detriment of a loved one. That's awalt. What did you think it meant?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:05 PM
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Projection to hide their own insecurity about themselves.
/r/MGTOW224/11/18 07:03 PM
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Find better things to do than waste both of our time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:01 PM
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What women say the do and what they actually do is very separate. A statistic includes people. If you are a person you are included in that statistic. NAWALT means that there is no chance that you would behave in your own best interest. Are you human? Yes? Than AWALT. Nawalts are non-humans. A fairy tale.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 07:01 PM
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If you know what I was trying to say why waste time correcting me. The point of language is to convey meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:58 PM
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Statistically you'd leave them in pretty much all cases. Hense, AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:58 PM
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"Men cheat too, all the time. Some men even have secret double lives and have a second family no one knew about. I never claimed otherwise. I simply said that this is the behavior of women since we are talkinga bout women. What's that based on? And what crimes did the husbands commit? If my husband was a murderer or drug dealer I'd leave him too. What's that based on? And what crimes did the husbands commit? If my husband was a murderer or drug dealer I'd leave him too. https://www.thespruce.com…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:55 PM
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Someone records it. Says my name. Smart phone. The police gets called and I have to answer to the police and give my name.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:53 PM
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Cool story bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:31 PM
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This describes a people how suffer from a mental illness. Where does it say that they suffer from this because of their genetics and are incapable of displaying confidence? You are definintely trolling at this point. Hammerhaunts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:30 PM
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I see you are trolling. Thanks for making it obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:28 PM
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No one on the street? People have bullshit attached to their names constantly without things going to court. They MIGHT be on my side. Imagine if it happens again. I try to help a child, it gets misconstrued, and no this is the second time I've had this insident. Stop ignoring reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:28 PM
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Can you give just one case of a person who is incapable of confidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:25 PM
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Then why are we arguing. Regardless of genetics the vast majority of men are capable of confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:25 PM
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Most accusations don't go to court. A lot of lives have been ruined without a day in court. The fear is that regardless of if I see a day in court, my reputation is forever altered.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:22 PM
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Eh, if doing the right thing means you get convinced of a felony, sent to hardcore prison where you overwhelmingly likely to be raped, and permentently placed on a sex offender registry where you have to introduce yourself to your neighbors as a registered sex offender your entire life, I think you'd change your mind. What you are saying is that the danger of that isn't significant enough to warrant a change in behavior. But pretty much no one would do the right thing if that was going to happen…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:21 PM
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I never heard the idea that someone is incapable of confidence because of their genetics. Where is that case?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:19 PM
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Where is a SINGLE STUDY just one, that says that someone is incapable of being confident because of their genetic predisposition that ISN'T related to a mental disease? Just one. I'll wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:18 PM
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This is sexual assault. Sexual assault isn't necessary rape. So we have to throw that out right now. For example, I was dancing at the club one day and a woman came up to me and started grinding her butt into my crotch. That could be sexual assault but it isn't rape. I've had a woman grab my crotch before, it wasn't rape. I've had a man feel up on my leg before, it wasn't rape. So if your claim is that "I should be more afraid of rape than false allegations," you haven't shown a reason why.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:16 PM
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Ok cool, I didn't think so. Just finding the "line."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:03 PM
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Woah. Never heard that before. So you are claiming that there are many men who are physicailly incapable of excuding confidence because of their personality which is dictated by their genetics. I'm gonna need some evidence to back that up. What are you basing this belief off of? This is a scientific claim. What article or study or scientist gives validity to this claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:57 PM
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The one you linked before did take into account recent inmates who are released. Link the one that doesn't. Also what does the study use to qualify a "false accusation." Does it require someone be convicted of giving false witness becaues that would leave a lot of variables out. Like a lot of the accusations that don't end with a conviction which still damage reputations and cause loss of jobs and opportunity. Like the accusations against college students who get expelled without a trial or even…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:54 PM
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You don't believe any man can be confident? You don't believe any man can get money? Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:52 PM
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No, I said the insident would be in the back of their mind. It would go from "He is a great person who is great with kids" to "He is a great person who is great with kids but had that one incident where someone accused him of being a pedo." It's not an idea I want festering in anyone's mind. I don't think anyone would want that. The fact that people get falsely acccused, get proven innocent, and have the damage STILL present on their reputation tells me all I need to know about human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:49 PM
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Yes, and women want a man with confidence, charisma and money. And any man can get those. So he can get women. Maybe not EVERY women, but women. There are plenty of balding, fat, super unattractive guys who pull women because they have all the superficial characteristics that women generally like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:45 PM
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No, my sisters would defend me. One in particular. The rest, who knows. It's a question.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:43 PM
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What women say they want and what they really want are very often two very different things. That's redpill 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:42 PM
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Every women uses the men they "like." Women only like men for what they can provide. That's what a woman's affection means.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:41 PM
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So if a guy has a million dollars and fancy stuff if he is ugly enough no women will like him?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:37 PM
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Link please.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:36 PM
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What? So walk up to a bunch of women and say "Hey do you like this guy?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:36 PM
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How would you falsify this claim you just made?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:28 PM
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What do you mean? How is this a lie? Explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:23 PM
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In a vaccuum where the only difference between men was their height, women would choose taller men. So the answer is yes, women prefer taller men but may choose shorter men for a host of reasons that may matter far more than height. Same thing with "do men prefer younger or older women." In a vaccuum, yes men would always choose the 18 year old over the 40 year old. But, other factors cause them to choose older women. For the purposes of men, it means if you are short you have to work harder to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:22 PM
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My insurance doesn't cover it, no. I've heard a ton about it being a complete waste of money. I was in therapy a while back for depression and it didn't help at all so I won't waste the money. Yes, my goal was to ask for alternative solution and I got what I was looking for. Thanks. It was really easy to just hear different ideas about how to tackle the problem. Now I'm prepared. If someone is being attadcked I'll call the police and leave. If a child is in danger or lost, I'll call the police a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:16 PM
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That statistic takes into consideration those that went into prison so it's to be disregarded. If I were going into prison then yes, I'd be worried about being raped more than pretty much anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:01 PM
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That's a very simple way to think about it. I'm glad I didn't spend a few hundred dollars trying to talk to a therapist for it lol. Good perspective. So basically, don't directly interfier myself, get someone else to help. What about a situation where their aren't other people around. Did you hear the story about a guy finding a lost kid and walking with the kid to ask if people were the kids parents? Then the kids father walked up and started punching the guy in the face? How would you avoid th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 04:59 PM
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That's natural my guy. Don't beat yourself up about it. Rejection sucks. Why do you think women rarely ask guys out? Because no one wants to be rejected. This is very common and very easy to solve. Just forget about her. Go try for other women. Romance is a numbers game. You just have to keep trying until you find someone that likes you. Go out there and keep getting rejected until you no longer care. Rejection is a GOOD thing. You don't want to be with someone who isn't excited to be with you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 04:52 PM
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Eh, loitering with a watchful I doesn't seem very safe either. I'd probably call for help by going to an employee. I think that's the policy I'll have. If I see a situation involving a child or woman I'll call for help and then dip out. If I see a woman being attacked I'll call the police, report it and then hang up. Maybe. Or I'll just dip out. Too dangerous out there these days. Especially since someone may mistake me for the aggressor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 04:47 PM
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"Also I had another idea for you for helping a child get up or down: turn around and offer them your back. They can climb on. In this way the kid is touching you rather than you touching the kid . . . if that makes sense. I've done this with kids as I'm old and it is easier for me. I then squat down for them to climb off." This sounds like a horrible idea. I'm resigned to just not touching children for any reason unless they actively offer me like...a high five or something. I can't find links r…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 04:45 PM
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I heard "The crosstime Engineer" is pretty good. Read it in highschool but not for a long time.
/r/MGTOW224/11/18 04:17 PM
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What could change your mind and turn your negative view of mgtow into a positive view? As in, what positive reason could a man give to you to avoid all cohabitation and marriage with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 04:14 PM
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Most people who critisize movements don't actually seek to engage with those in the movement. I'm glad you are. Though I want to correct you in saying that MGTOW is not a movement. It is a philosophy. It does not seek to change anything. It has no political power or agenda. It is simply a response to percieved reality. What negative views do you hold about MGTOW? What positive views do you hold?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 04:07 PM
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When everything is sexist, all reactions are sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:51 PM
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None I can think of off the top of my head. Just a quick google search. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/feb/21/us-more-men-raped-than-women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:48 PM
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I never said the reason I was afraid of helping women was being metoo'd. It's the sexism of it. I being expected to, by myself, physically jump in to stop an assault on a women simply because I'm a man and she is a women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:45 PM
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Yet we don't apply that same statistic to single mothers who are the most likely to abuse children. Their own. Yea, just fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:44 PM
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Lots of these types of studies do indeed take into consideration rapes that happen to men in prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:37 PM
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You've seen plenty of women jump in to physically fight two adult men jumping one women? Name this case please and how it turned out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:37 PM
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Not random strangers. In fact a child is FAR more likely to be abused by a person they know than a stranger. So if we are going back statistics they shouldn't be afraid of me at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:36 PM
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So your solution would have been to get my family involved instead of helping myself. What if I was just with my child and didn't have family members to rely on? What would you do then. And I did go over different options, I just didn't think of any in the few seconds I was thinking about it. In fact of all the options I thought of at the time, thiinking back, wlaking away was the approprioate approach. What made you come to the conclusion to ask others for help?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:35 PM
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So if a woman saw another woman being jumped by two thugs, you'd say she should go and physically jump in to help?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:32 PM
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Does that take into consideration rapes that happen in prison? If it does than that study isn't worth a dime.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:27 PM
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In that case I'd actually be the fact that I'd be putting myself in physical danger and their is few benefits doing that because women are strong and independent. The fact that as a man I'm expected to help a woman seems like the sexism that women have been fighting against.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:26 PM
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When I was at an old job a girl, who was with her dad, bumped fists with me and made it "explode." Is that ok is that also inappropriate touching?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:22 PM
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Good idea. Didn't think of that. Kind of messed up that it would be fine if they helped simply because they are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:08 PM
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I just read a story where a worker got fired for that exact situation. Now the guy sued and got a settlement but it still did damage. And it wasn't a public situation. So it wasn't as bad as it could have been.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:04 PM
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That's the problem I have with Non-mgtow talking about mgtow. They use the actual accrinem and say "you aren't going your own way by X." Completely obvlious to the fact that they are an outsider trying to define to a member of that group what "going their own way" means, based on what THEIR PERSONAL IDEA of going their own way would mean. Pretty much everyone would say they are, in some avenue of their life, "going their own way." I think gaining a fundemental understanding of the people there w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:00 PM
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My entire family was like 3 feet away. If a woman confronted me they'd see it. Especially my sisters who would have rushed to my defense. My sisters would have gone IN on some woman screaming at me. I garentee it would have escalated very quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:55 PM
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Yea see, times are changing. I was reading this other thread about it, that actually made me think back to that time. There was an extremely mixed view on what was and was not appropriate. It varied HEAVILY from person to person. Some people would say I shouldn't even talk to the kid. Others would say it's perfectly fine to help them out of the train. The problem is that there is no consensus.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:54 PM
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Just take a second to imagine it. Some woman comes at me screaming about "talking to her daughter or touching her daughter." We already see the effect of accusations even when they are PROVEN false. Now my family in the back of their heads has this insedent in their head. Or just everyone there. What would you do if, in a very public place, some one screamed at you for touching their child? You don't see the consequences of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:48 PM
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How would you have found the parents in that situation? She clearly didn't see her parents. Would you, as a man, have talked to the girl, by yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:44 PM
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I think back to that child. The benefit of talking to her. Best case, I ask her if she needs help, she says yes, I pick her up and set her down and walk away. She walks away happy. Worse case, someone sees me pick her up and accuses me of being a pedo. My entire family looks at me differently. Worth it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:40 PM
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Though not a vegan, because you eat meat. You can say you like vegan food but not all yourself a vegan. You can say you like some of the things that MGTOW say and not call yourself a MGTOW. It's ok. Be what you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:30 PM
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Please don't judge mgtow by the behavior of those on the mgtow subreddit. You wouldn't judge an athiest on the behavior of those in the athiest subreddit would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:07 PM
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My view of AWALT is something I'm pretty sure you'd agree with. It's basically "human nature." The nature of humans to look out for their own best interest even to the detriment of their loved ones. Men do this less because we are taught to die for our loved ones, though not every man. But women are not taught that. When push comes to shove humans look out for their own best interest. ESPECIALLY a healthy woman. That's awalt. If a woman wants to leave you and cheat because she is sick of the rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:04 PM
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MGTOW is lack of cohabitation and marriage. You are simply being more assertive and stubborn. That doesn't make you mgtow. Are you a vegan that also eats meat?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 01:59 PM
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Is it weird that I'm a single guy and not interested in casual hookups? I don't want a woman who plays games. I want to know from the get go that she is interested. I'll let her know from the start. I want honesty. No bullshit. I'm busy. I don't have time for games.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 01:57 PM
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I second that. I don't like butt stuff at all, either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 01:44 PM
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This is so sexist it discussed me. Men are more than just servants for women. One thing I think is telling is that she reveals that she knows what men want yet I garentee she refuses to provide those things to any prospective mate of hers.
/r/MGTOW224/11/18 01:31 PM
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I do what ever I fucking want with my money. If you want to hoard yours more power to you. I'm a collector. I'm going to be buying some more collectibles because, as the Waterboy says "It makes me feel good." Life is too short. Now I do have the money because I have a steady job so I do agree that you shouldn't spend money you can't afford to lose. As a mgtow with no wife no kids, even though I don't make that much money, under 30k, I have plenty to buy, really, what ever I please.
/r/MGTOW223/11/18 02:08 PM
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"Here my lord."
/r/MGTOW21/11/18 06:02 PM
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Michael is a crime lord. Batman is a vigilantly who beats people half to death without trial. A man is a person with X and Y chromosome who is of legal adult age. You are a man if you think you are a man. Are you an adult? Are you responsible for your own wellbeing or the wellbeing of others. Yes? Than you are a man. A man is defined by responsibility. You become a man as soon as you hit legal adult age because you become responsible FOR YOUR ACTIONS. You can be tried as an adult, society sees y…
/r/MGTOW221/11/18 02:37 PM
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Finally listened. This was fire. Best thing is that hiphop is the one genre of music where you can say this shit freely.
/r/MGTOW21/11/18 12:27 PM
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Saving for later.
/r/MGTOW19/11/18 09:24 PM
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Based on the immaturity you've shown I now am convinced you are underage. I'll not be engaging any further with such a youngster. Good day kiddo.
/r/MGTOW219/11/18 07:28 PM
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For sure.
/r/MGTOW19/11/18 03:46 PM
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We were poor by every definition of the word in terms of money.
/r/MGTOW19/11/18 02:51 PM
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Professional adults don't waste their time trying to shame other adults. So basically you'd just be a victim to a biased legal system that doesn't have your best interest in mind. Thanks for letting me know.
/r/MGTOW219/11/18 02:00 AM
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"They only love you as long as you are useful to them, and they don't when you are down." Sounds like a big red pill to me. His family abandons him when he is clearly miserable. He gets no support what so ever from his ungrateful wife and fat, lazy piece of shit son. And they only show affection for him when he is at his best. That guy is a cuck.
/r/MGTOW18/11/18 04:01 PM
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Sounds like sexism to me. What are you in school for? You could probably pursue a lawsuit if they aren't making women do the equivalent of how to behave around men. That's classic gender discrimination which the constitution protects against. See about a free consultation with a lawyer.
/r/MGTOW18/11/18 03:53 PM
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I'm a zebra and I have to admit that the lions aren't hunting me. They are eating all my friends but not me. I guess I'll never look good enough for them to devour. Not trying to belittle you, but that's what you are saying. The only reason these women are interested in these guys is for absolutely superficial reasons. You want a woman. You can get one. YOu just have to work for it. Learn game, get confidence, work out, get rejected 100 times. There is a formula that works. The thing is that you…
/r/MGTOW18/11/18 03:30 PM
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I've lived a minimalist lifestyle basically all my life. I came from a poor family that pinched pennies so I learned to be frugal. I lived off of a part time, minimal wage income for years and still to this day don't have a car. I was even able to save up 500 dollars a month for savings and investments after I got a small pay raise. The only reason I'm working full time now is so I can adopt and open up a foster care home for the future. I'll be teaching my children how to live and be happy with…
/r/MGTOW18/11/18 03:16 PM
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My pleasure.
/r/MGTOW218/11/18 03:09 PM
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We are social creatures by our very nature. It's a very real struggle to get over this. Everyone deals with it. I see it like this. You either find a way to be happy and satisfied in isolation, which takes a LOT of work and skill. It's a craft. Like learning to be a monk. Or you spend a LOT of time making friends and developing romantic relationships. Either short term or long term. Which is, again, a lot of work and takes skill. And it will cost a lot of money no matter what. "Spinning plates" …
/r/MGTOW218/11/18 02:22 PM
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It's why female attempted suicide rate is like 10x higher then men.
/r/MGTOW15/11/18 10:11 PM
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Thanks! Yea I checked out glassdoor. They other company that I had a phone interview with lowballed me a few thousand below average minimum market value for the position. Makes me nervous about what this bank would offer if I do get the position.
/r/MGTOW215/11/18 09:32 PM
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Great advice. I've watched myself talk a lot since I ran a youtube channel and used to stream. I probably shouldn't be so nervous because generally I'm good at interviews. The thing is that that last 2 interviews I did, one in person and one over the telephone, was a complete bomb for me because they asked me questions I didn't have an answer for. I feel like I'm prepared for the questions I've heard before but if I get hit with a questions I haven't prepared for It's going to be the struggles.
/r/MGTOW215/11/18 07:10 PM
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Can't tell if troll. If not, I want to know how this company determined that MGTOW2 was the right place to market towards and how they decide who to market to.
/r/MGTOW215/11/18 02:17 PM
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Saving this for later.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/11/18 02:37 PM
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Underrated comment.
/r/PussyPassDenied12/11/18 05:51 AM
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What would you do if your wife tried to divorce rape you?
/r/MGTOW212/11/18 04:21 AM
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It isn't false, you simply have a very uncommon marriage. Try to get divorced when she hates your guts then get back to me.
/r/MGTOW211/11/18 11:28 PM
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Not in my state. I checked.
/r/MGTOW211/11/18 11:26 PM
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Exactly. The incentive for leaving is what makes marriage so destructive to the family unit. The woman in most cases takes all the power and is empowered to use and abuse the power she is given. She is praised, patted on the back, protected and put on a pedestal. If you want a strong family with traditional values, never marry. Or if you do, don't sign any legal documents, not even a marriage certificate. Maybe under God but NOT under the state.
/r/MGTOW211/11/18 08:06 PM
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Men are the true romantics.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/11/18 07:00 PM
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Yes. Marriage USED to be about the church and GOD but it became about the government very recently. When marriage was just the church it was far safer and actually made sense to marry if you wanted to have a family. Those days are gone. Every marriage in the U.S. and EU are government sanctioned. You have to sign a ton of documents. You are granted certain rights that the church used to grant, like visitation at hospital. Or even the right to have custody of your own biological children. Marriag…
/r/MGTOW211/11/18 06:45 PM
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Men shouldn't get married period. There is no benefit to marriage. Two people that love each other shouldn't need a state sanctioned legal document to show it. Maybe married used to mean something once upon a time but that changed as soon as the "no fault divorce" laws were created. Did you know that judges get incentive checks for handing out alimony. Same for family court. Marriage is just a glorified insurance contract for the person who makes less money. It's just another way for the governm…
/r/MGTOW211/11/18 06:18 PM
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Ok, this is something I'm interested in. Pretty much every child I know who was raised by a responsible single father turned out great. What does a child lose by not growing up with a mother. Lets say a man who has his shit together has a kid and the mother dies. What is the kid going to be lacking? What are the potential negatives. We hear all the time about the downfalls of single mothers but what about single fathers? What are people thinking of when they choose to lump single fathers in with…
/r/MGTOW11/11/18 05:16 PM
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Ain't no traps in my area.
/r/MGTOW11/11/18 05:09 PM
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I'd say that it's more that the women are too spoiled than the Chinese men are too cucked.
/r/MGTOW11/11/18 04:56 PM
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Thank you for the correction my good sir.
/r/MGTOW210/11/18 12:16 AM
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Would you consider a standard of healthiness a reasonable standard in mate selection?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/11/18 03:04 PM
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Yes I understand she loses some. I'm asking specifically about the requirement for being "reasonable healthy."
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/11/18 02:18 PM
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If your way of pointing out that I'm "full of shit" is by saying that played out feminist line of "X isn't entitled to X, THEREFORE..." then you've failed quite spectacularly. You don't even understand what I'm saying. The fact that you even think this is an argument reveals just how little you actually paid attention to my words.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/11/18 02:18 PM
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Ah man. I'm so glad you brought this topic up. I've spent a ridiculous amount of time interacting with redpillwomen as a MGTOW man. So after years of investigating them and those like them here is my perspective. What re_all said is absolutely correct. They are Chameleons. They are the most dangerous type of women. They actively acknowledge their own power and seek to MASTER that power. There is this idea that all women are inherently red pilled. This means that all women inherently know the "po…
/r/MGTOW209/11/18 02:15 PM
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Are you saying she loses her ability to have a standard of "be a person who is reasonably healthy and not a fat fucking slob" when she becomes a single mother? Whenever someone brings up the "entitled to X" argument I ignore it. That's feminist speak and it doesn't add to the conversation because no one ever claims that anyone is "entitled" to anything in a relationship besides having their basic human rights respected. It's a non-sequitur that just needlessly derails the conversation.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/11/18 08:20 AM
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Point taken.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/11/18 08:21 PM
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Looks and age don't matter at all? I'm MGTOW, I know hypergamy is a thing. Are you saying that if a woman is a single woman a good woman isn't allowed to have reasonable standards for sexual attraction. Personally I'm attracted to "looks healthy, doesn't smoke." From your perspective are you saying that a good woman gives up her "right" to have sexual preference because being a single mother devalues her so much? What if she had everything in that paragraph except instead of saying "looks don't …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/11/18 07:50 PM
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What is an example of a good profile for women so I can have some context about what we are comparing these women to.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/11/18 02:30 PM
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I don't lift but I guarantee that I'd meet pretty much any test of strength that most people are put in in their life. If I had to carry my best friend out of a fire I could do it. If I had to push a car up a hill I could do it. There is practically nothing a normal man isn't strong enough to do as long as he isn't malnourished and as long as he is relatively in shape. It's garbage. We aren't warriors anymore. We don't need to fight with swords. The strength that we build is impractical in 99 pe…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/11/18 06:45 PM
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If want to claim that you can be vegan and eat meat then that's your right. You have the right to be wrong.
/r/MGTOW230/10/18 08:36 PM
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C-sections damage the body. Not comparable. No otherwise good women was ever rejected because her breasts weren't big enough. If she was rejected it's because she didn't offer much anyway. Yet men are passed over constantly because they don't meet completely unrealistic and unnecessary standards of male beauty.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/18 07:28 PM
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"TRP says, assuming you want to attract women, this is the way to go about doing it, not the usual bluepill ways of being a nice guy." This is the main problem. TRP DOESN'T overly state that. It just says "self improve." The messaging is misleading. If it said overly "improve in a way that women find attractive." Then I'd be ok with trp because I'd just ignore it outright. But it doesn't say that. It just says "self improve." As if any and all self improvement is valuable to women. That's my onl…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/18 07:26 PM
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That definition is absolute horseshit and does nothing to distinquish mgtow men from redpill men. I never said there weren't people pretending to be mgtow. I said that they you aren't mgtow if you don't refuse to cohabitate. We are arguing semantics at this point. It's pointless. Good convo.
/r/MGTOW230/10/18 03:02 PM
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You claimed that there are people "parading themselves as MGTOW who are one bj asway from the plantation." That is different from saying that there is "someone who is an incel but calls themselves mgtow." It's about intention. Do they REFUSE cohabitation, then they are mgtow. Would they want cohabitation, they are not mgtow. Simple. A meat eater can call themselves a vegan all they want to but if they eat meat they are not vegan. Don't conflate the two.
/r/MGTOW230/10/18 02:28 PM
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focusing on lifting, yes you're putting a lot of time and effort into building a body that women are more likely to enjoy, but it's also your body. You're the one who's stronger, healthier and more capable. Personally I checked out of the dating game a very long time ago but I still lift regularly because I find it rewarding and beneficial, irrespective of what women find desirable. Stronger for what? Unless you are doing something on a regular basis that requires strength, you don't need to be …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/18 02:14 PM
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I can deny that. MGTOW is a refusal cohabitate. Incel is the desires for women but simply not getting it. It's apples and oranges. Can't be compared.
/r/MGTOW230/10/18 01:25 PM
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Eh, this is pure speculation. There is nothing confirming that any man in the 80 percent can become top 20% by just lifting. That's just unfounded delusion. That's the main issue I have with trp. All the self improvement talk is only in order to be more desirable to women. You only improve in ways society and women enjoy. If you want to improve at a videogame or a skill that makes no money, or keeps you fat or something, no one cares. If I decide the best version of myself is "getting a 30 kill …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/18 01:24 PM
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Because TRP also teaches men women's true nature. It's far harder to take advantage of a red pill man. So if against all odds a 80% man becomes a 20% man by lifting, (highly unlikley. Most men can't lift their way into the genetic lottery), that man will be one who will probably pump and dump and demand huge concessions from his future spouse which may or may not include the lack of marriage. So with TRP the bottom 80% stay bottom and those at the top 20% are harder to take advantage of for wome…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/18 07:47 AM
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Incel are not self proclaimed MGTOW. People ignorant of MGTOW conflate the two because it's easier to dismiss MGTOW as incel than to actually use their brain.
/r/MGTOW230/10/18 07:38 AM
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He's a hack.
/r/MGTOW230/10/18 07:37 AM
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LOL, preach.
/r/MGTOW225/10/18 05:06 PM
1

What do you mean she is part of the problem ?
/r/MGTOW225/10/18 10:11 AM
1

Exactly. Yet if we were to base our opinion on atheists on the Atheism subreddit you'd think that every atheist spent a huge amount of time arguing about religion and making fun of religion. Judging an entire group of people based on the culture of the largest online community of that people is extremely fallacious. Cultures often can and would develop in a completely different way regarding that group simply because of the nature of subreddits and the demographic of online communities. The cult…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 08:35 AM
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Actually speaking to one. You should know intrinsically how fallacious it would be to base your judgement on a group of people by only the culture of a specific sext of that group. You don't do that for atheists. The atheist subreddit spend a LOT of time making fun of religion and the religious. That subreddit is probably the largest conglomeration of atheist online. Yet you wouldn't infer what atheists believe as a whole just based on that subreddit. Offline, Buddhist may make up the largest gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 12:24 AM
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If you continue to make your judgements based on the low hanging fruit of the mgtow sub that is designed specifically for the rage phase then we have nothing more to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 12:09 AM
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IF you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:53 PM
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If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:52 PM
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My real life and online life are seperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:45 PM
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Real life and online life is distinctively different.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:42 PM
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You admitted you have no interest in actually looking into the topic. Why are we still talking?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:42 PM
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Any reference to the Mgtwo subreddit is invalid. It does not in any way represent the beliefs of MGTOW in general. So lets get past that and move on to an actual converasation and not the fallacy of conflating a subb designed to cater to those in the redpill rage phase with those outside of the redpill rage. Now what qualities do you think most mgtow aspouse in women do you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:41 PM
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The mgtow subreddit does not represent the opinions of mgtow. It's for SOME people who consider themselves mgtwo to talk freely among each other. Settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:38 PM
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My online persona is not my real life persona.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:29 PM
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So you admit any opinion you have on the topic is based in absolute ignorance. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:29 PM
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That sub is not a good representative of the mgtow population. Outside of that sub, what are you using to base your beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:22 PM
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What data are you using to come to this conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:09 PM
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Everyone gets rejected. Some Mgtow are recent divorcees. Those alone cannot be incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 10:18 PM
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How you met most atheists?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 08:16 PM
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Hm.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 08:00 PM
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Hm.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 07:59 PM
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That is not true. Where did you even get this? There isn't even "many states" in which common law marriage is even a thing. What's not true specifically? Are you saying common law marriage doesn't exist in the U.S.? Cohabitation alone does not create some property interest in your co-cohabitator's property under any law that I'm aware of. Lest everyone should fear having roommates. Look up common law marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 07:59 PM
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That is not true. Where did you even get this? There isn't even "many states" in which common law marriage is even a thing. What's not true specifically? Are you saying common law marriage doesn't exist in the U.S.? Cohabitation alone does not create some property interest in your co-cohabitator's property under any law that I'm aware of. Lest everyone should fear having roommates. Look up common law marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 07:59 PM
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There the reason is much more deep than that. There are MRA's who try to advocate for men's right but MRA's don't get anything done. I don't advocate for defeatism. I don't think there is no solution. I just no willingness to fight and die for the solution. I advocate for living a peaceful life regardless of whether the problem gets fixed. I'm not going to break my back to help society when society doesn't care about me. If an individual wants help and asks me I'll let them know what I know, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 07:48 PM
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There the reason is much more deep than that. There are MRA's who try to advocate for men's right but MRA's don't get anything done. I don't advocate for defeatism. I don't think there is no solution. I just no willingness to fight and die for the solution. I advocate for living a peaceful life regardless of whether the problem gets fixed. I'm not going to break my back to help society when society doesn't care about me. If an individual wants help and asks me I'll let them know what I know, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 07:46 PM
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There the reason is much more deep than that. There are MRA's who try to advocate for men's right but MRA's don't get anything done. I don't advocate for defeatism. I don't think there is no solution. I just no willingness to fight and die for the solution. I advocate for living a peaceful life regardless of whether the problem gets fixed. I'm not going to break my back to help society when society doesn't care about me. If an individual wants help and asks me I'll let them know what I know, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 07:45 PM
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Are you comparing the type of game they are playing? Have you compared kids who primarily play minecraft or puzzle games? What about Zelda? Or are you just making a broad sweeping statement about a few kids you say playing "videogames?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 07:43 PM
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Are you comparing the type of game they are playing? Have you compared kids who primarily play minecraft or puzzle games? What about Zelda? Or are you just making a broad sweeping statement about a few kids you say playing "videogames?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 07:43 PM
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What's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 07:04 PM
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Because it teaches men to avoid women, or at least avoid commitment to women. This is an untenable mentality, as you cannot build or sustain any society on this premise. I disagree. I think this is actually very helpful to society because it teaches men to stand up for themselves and not except toxic relationships. Under current societal conditions all relationships are pretty toxic and require giving up a lot in order to be into because of the divorce courts and family courts. If enough men lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 07:04 PM
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any guy who has truly embraced the MGTOW philosophy and gone his own way wouldn't be participating in MGTOW communities and arguing with people in the pillosphere. the true MGTOWs are off in the subs focused on bitcoins or expats in thailand or whatever. I definintely disagree. That's like saying the only TRUE atheist is one who never argues with the religious. The only thing that is required to be mgtow is to refuse to cohabitate in marry. IF your way is to complain and vent about your experien…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 07:00 PM
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But couldn't one also say that it's the largest part of that group? I would disagree with this. Many mgtow aren't even on reddit. A lot of people are mgtow who don't even talk about it. If you go into the r/mgtow subreddit and judge mgtow based on that you are not really getting an entire picture. MGTOW who have move passed the rage phase aren't actively trying to shout down those who are in it. Many are just ghosting or not speaking at all. When I talk about MGTOW I talk about the users from /r…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:58 PM
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I actually don't think most MGTOW want to go there own way. I think most MGTOW want the true love they were taught existed and once they come to the realization that it doesn't exist and that they were lied to literally their entire life, that's when they screech in order to protect themselves from the trap. They want to live peacefully. You are describing those in the red pill rage phase. But even you must admit that trp shouldnt' be judged by those who are simply in the rage phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:48 PM
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How does MGTOW damage social cohesion again?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:45 PM
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Videogames are also very useful. When I eventually adopted that will probably be a big part of our bonding time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:42 PM
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I'm saying that judging an entire group based on the sub designed to appeal to the worst part of that group is not intellectually honest. It's like judging all trump supporters based on the post of /thedonald. Or judging all whites based on the post of those in the KKK. So on and so forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:41 PM
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Rarely enforced. At least in America. Definitely in Colorado where I'm from. You're spouting off canned data points with zero experience. And that's what you need. Experience. Yet it happens. Though that's not the most prominent. That's just one reason. Another is that if I cohabitate a woman is likely to wan to have children and pressure me into marriage. I'm actually open to cohabitating if we agreed that these things were absolutely off the table. I don't expect to find a woman like that so I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:39 PM
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You completely missed the point. How much time do you spend researching, thinking about and discussing cocaine and heroin? If I were just recovering from a heroic and cocaine addiction I'd say quite a bit. I spend a great deal of time researching anyting I'm interested in. I just started learning about real estate. You bet I spend a shit ton of time researching what not to do and how to protect myself. Both these groups would admit that disease and alcohol are a huge part of their life, which ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:34 PM
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Slavery is a form of social cohesion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:31 PM
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What kind of stuff do you do in your free time? I play videogames and used to run a youtube channel. I also streamed on twitch for a while. I write and share some of my work online. Do you ever purposely put yourself in situations that challenge you or where you need to rely on your own skill to succeed? Constantly. I play videogames. I've also started learning a new trade. Started learning about real-estate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:31 PM
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If you are judging the MGTOW community based on the comments of those in r/mgtow you are indeed falling for a strawman. I don't blame you. It's out of ignorance. The r/mgtow subreddit has been invaded by incels and mgtow in the ragephase and the mod who is trying to actively sabotage the subreddit is banning any opposing opinions. I don't blame you for not knowing this. Try the r/mgtow2 subreddit where you don't get banned for having ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:29 PM
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I didn't say r/mgtow. I said MGTOW. Not the few who inhabit a sub designed to be an outlet for those in the rage phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:25 PM
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I believe braincels was quarenteened. Incels spread across a lot of subs, including the main mgtow subreddit which has welcomed them with open arms. Occam's razor says a lot of MGTOWs are just incels in denial. Either you are grossly misrepresenting Occam's razor or Occam's razor is completely useless
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:24 PM
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The difference is you haven’t sworn off video games and claimed they have no place in your life. Videogames aren't as dangerous as I've decided relationships with women are. I've sworn off cocaine and heroine. I’m saying that for a sub entirely dedicated to wanting nothing to do with women y’all sure talk about them a lot. For people who want people to be healthy doctors sure talk about diseases a lot. For people who want to be free of addiction alcoholics sure talk about the negative affects of…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:22 PM
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Types.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:15 PM
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What would you define as hateful rants that are common from MGTOW? Can you distqinuish between opininions given about humans or women that you disagree with and opinions about humans or women that are hateful? How do you distinguish this? Or are you one of those who believes that any opinion about women and/or people that I disagree with is necessarily based in hate?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:15 PM
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If you go over to the MGTOW sub, which is really the main way that the group is presented to the world, you will see page after page of revenge fantasies and clickbait articles ("mom of 3 abandons her kids! see? women are terrible parents!") and comics edited to fit the content. I've even seen onion comics posted in earnest. you don't come off like a particularly analytical or intelligent group of guys with your shit together, you come off as bitter guys dealing with social rejection through den…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:13 PM
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I think it can be more productive to have a conversation online. I will not talk to people in the way I do online because I fear social ostrisization or unnecessary "drama" which can damage relationships. That's a double edged sword. No one but my sister knows I'm mgtow. I'm the friendly black guy around the office. So I can't really engage in these types of conversatinos. In many ways bachelors and mgtow are the same. I'd say the distinction is that MGTOw refuse to cohabitate for any reason and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:07 PM
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Social cohesion is defined as the willingness of members of a society to cooperate with each other in order to survive and prosper. Are you claiming that all forms of social cohesion are good? If not what makes the specific form of social cohesion mgtow are not engaging in, harmful? Yes. I think there should be 1 vote per family. Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:05 PM
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Regardless, the fact it's offensive or not something you personally believe does not necessarily make it a strawman of MGTOW beliefs, it just means you personally don't believe x. Yes but we aren't talking about that. Calling all MGTOW virgins is simply a falsehood whether or not I believe it. MGTOW are often conflated with incels. Patently false. Doesn't matter what I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:03 PM
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I was clarifying that we were on the same page. Glad to see we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:56 PM
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You can talk to me. Hi.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:55 PM
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Why do you believe you know how a person feels better than they do? Hate is an internal emotion. What makes you more knowledgeable about what a person feels than the actual person telling you how they feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:55 PM
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I get the canned statement. I just don't see how that's MGTOW's conclusion. Can you list their pros? I get how they can be toxic. Most of that is developing tools that helps you deal with women. Can you clarify this or rephrase what you aren't clear about? Throw out marriage. I get that. Why throw out cohabitation? Many states have common law marriage which forces couples to be legally married after 10 years of cohabitation. Depending upon laws cohabitation intitles the women to certain claims o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:49 PM
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I want to know what you believe social cohesiveness means in terms of society. What else constitutes harm to society to you? When women got the right to vote that disrupted social cohesiveness for a long time and forever changed the dynamic of relationships. Some would say for the worse. Was that harmful to society?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:46 PM
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Ah so any offer about what MGTOW believe in mass would be pure speculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:44 PM
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Sandman, Turd Flinging Monkey, Angry/Sexy MGTOW. Absolutely shitty, shitty content. What's shitty about it? Divorce rape, false rape accusations, women being evil. MGTOW do not believe women are evil. What about what MGTOW claim about the very real existence of divorce rape and false rape ellegations do you think is false? Their need to be in relationships. MGTOW is anti-marriage and cohabittaion but a lot of current MGTOW advocate total isolation from women. They become hostile when a man is in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:36 PM
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Define significant? How many? What percentage?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:30 PM
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It's not about "having the ability", it's about directly harming the society. Is that the only thing that you consider as being harmful to society? Can you define social cohesieveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:30 PM
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The opinions of people on the internet on my lifestyle has 0 effect on what I do in my day to day. I "care" about it because I'm at work and I'm bored and I was literally thinking of a subject to talk about because if I don't occupy myself I'm going to go down to our company cafeteria and eat food that I shouldn't be eating simply because I'm bored.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:24 PM
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Do you believe that any ideology that has the ability to hurt society is ridiculous? What do you define as "harmful to society?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:23 PM
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Talking to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:23 PM
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It is not a “strawman” to generalize MGTOW based on commonly seen rhetoric. Just don’t get caught up in the labeling and it shouldn’t even bother you - if you’re MGTOW but you’re not bitter and you don’t dislike women or whatever just don’t take it personally when you see someone generalize MGTOWs that way - they aren’t talking about you. I'm sure you can see how probamatic that is when you say "this group is X," and you want me to simply not care if that thing doesn't apply to me. That's what I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:22 PM
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Buuuut... gnerally speaking, yes the opinion of one person very well can represent the user base. Especially when the userbase is based around a particular sentiment. The president of the Star Trek fan club represents the club members and is supposed to organize and advocate on their behalf about how awesome Star Trek is. There is no official Advocate of MGTOW so this comparison doesn't make sense. There is a community but there are no leaders.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:20 PM
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He IS MGTOW. MGTOW isn't an "official" group like congress- it is a de facto organization. This is simply false. MGtOW is not an organization. MGTOW doesn't seek anything. It is a philosophy and a community. MGTOW don't march or have political groups. MGTOW are made up of republicans, democrats, pro-choicers and pro-lifers, men from all walks of life. They aren't trying to push for change. They are not in any way an organization in the context you are using the word. We know some are radical and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:19 PM
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Go on. Link one of his MGTOW videos that you claim is not MGTOW and damaging to MGTOW give a point by point denouncement. I can't link any videos. Give one example of one thing he says that you disagree with which reflects badly on MGtOW please.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:16 PM
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Find where Rollo speaks of it. That's his term. But it involves women. Summarize it. I don't know who Rollo is or why I should/would listen to him. I'd ask what your definition of a good deal is. But I'd be willing to bet it would NOT be a fair deal for women. A good deal to me is one that is mutually beneficial and worth the effort put in to maintain the deal. MGTOW have decided that the juice is not worth the squeeze. That cost/benefit analysis is toxic to you? Why? Women you fuck. Women you l…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:15 PM
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1.Low effort, garbage grade content from the vast majority of content producers. Example? What do you consider low grade? 2.Confrontations and personal attacks abound. That's a part of redpill, blue pill, and purple pill communities and is not exclusive to MGTOW. Hell it's just a part of the internet. 3.Much scamming. What do you mean by this? 4.Not being honest about what being MGTOW entails. Rather than warning men about MGTOW, they try to spread it a la Sandman (Sandscam, TFM and so on). What…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:11 PM
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But you don't get a full human experience. Define a full human experience please. If it was 'hey this shit is just not a good deal', well go else where. But to put women at a distance by default says more about MGTOWs then women. I'm a little confused here. I'll ask for clarification. To you, if MGTOW said "hey, marriage, relationships, and cohabitation with women is not a good deal so we'll go elsewhere." That would be acceptable to you? Also define "putting women at a distance?" I'm very close…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:05 PM
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I am not disowning him. I am saying that regardless of how "big" he is his belief do not represent the beliefs of all MGTOW. And that claiming so is a strawman. I'm sure you can see where the problem would be with that. Judging an entire group based upon the opinion of a few you've seen. Even if some MGTOW agree with some things he says I doubt that every mgtow would agree with everything he says. Also what things has he said which you disagree with which you ascribe to MGTOW beliefs as a whole?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:02 PM
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Inject themselves into debates about things unrelated to women? Can you give an example? Or are they injecting themselves into things relevant to the thing they like to talk about? And are you saying this is a majority of MGTOW or just a few? What criteria are you using to generalize about the entire population? Why do you care if others approve of your beliefs and lifestyle? I'd say that many MGTOW actually do not. Some do simply because humans are social creatures and the approval of our peers…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 05:00 PM
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I said "all their time." I think this is very obviously a strawman. I spend some time on videogame forums but I don't spend "all my time" obsessing over videogames. I do a lot of different things and talking about women just happens to be one of them. What criteria are people using to claim that MGTOW are "obsessing" over women that couldn't be said about any topic that any normal person would be interested in? Unless you are claiming that posting or engaging in a subreddit constitutes "unhealth…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 04:56 PM
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Are you claiming that the opinion of one person represents the user base? What specific claims are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 04:54 PM
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How can you be annoyed by something you don't give a fuck about? Shouldn't you "nothing" it? Not be annoyed by it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 04:54 PM
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This has worked for on my older family members. They just kind of walk away. I'm more honest with my sister. I just tell her "I ain't messing with these hoes." Me and my sister are close so we joke. Being positive about it is nice. Something along the lines of "I'm just not interested." Or "I'm too busy and I'm content where I am."
/r/MGTOW224/10/18 04:53 PM
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Can you clarify your meaning?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 04:46 PM
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The only wall that exists for men is lack of money. You can be a unhealthy, overweight, alcoholic, drug addict and still pull bitches as long as you have money. The wall is in direct reference to one's ability to attract the opposite sex. Case and point, Tom Leykis. Unless you want to redefine the wall which I have no interest in doing. Just use another word if you mean something other than "one's ability to attract suitable mates."
/r/MGTOW24/10/18 03:04 PM
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50 a savage.
/r/MGTOW24/10/18 01:18 PM
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Makes sense. Thanks for doing the research. I didn't really look that deep into it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/10/18 11:22 AM
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no, because the terms of what sugarbaby must give are almost never discussed, are vague, nebulous, and she's never held up to them, it's completely at her (or his) discretion by definition. I don't know where you live but in the U.S. prostitution is illegal. You can't overtly state that you are selling yourself for sex. You can be fined and go to jail for that. If they aren't stupid then they know what it is. It's your hubris to believe that people who have enough finances to afford a sugarbaby …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/10/18 09:06 PM
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Eh. I wouldn't say so. If they know the game then they are simply making a transaction. Affection, touching, sex, the girlfriend experience, in exchange for money. It's up to each individual to decide what they value. It's like saying that the rich are suckers for going to 5 star restaurants. Just because you don't personally think the purchase is worth it doesn't mean it's objectively not worth it. As long as they know what they are getting into then it's fair game. Hell, some people still buy …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/10/18 08:44 PM
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Yep yep.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 08:21 PM
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Eh. I don't know that he is betabux. He is pretty low quality in my eyes. One thing that my sister has going for her is that she doesn't have any kids. He does. My youngest sister actually did find beta bux. She had a baby at 16. Though I haven't spoken to her about anything redpill. We aren't as close as I am with my oldest sister. Though my two sisters are pretty close so maybe they have exchanged knowledge. I'm the oldest. Big brother. They all look up to me.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 07:45 PM
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BB? She is 23. She has already hit the wall. She is overweight. Grossly.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 07:37 PM
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She was basically like "why do I always choose the shitty guys? Why can't I find a good guy?" She married this African guy while he was in jail in order to help him get his passport. She then went to Africa as his bride and he abruised her. She has had a history of choosing really shitty guys and them turning out to be assholes, or cheating on her, or abusing her. She lamented the fact that she was attracted to these type of guys and not "good" guys. I told her it's just her nature and that if s…
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 07:28 PM
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The government is made up of the people. I hear what you are saying though. You met people in the military you trusted to lead you even though you don't trust "the military," itself. You don't see anyone in government you trust so you'd rather give people no help then force the government to give them help you don't trust. I understand the decision even if I disagree. Thanks for the talk bro.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 07:09 PM
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What makes you trust them at all? I mean, you gave them your life, put your life in their hands. How can you do that with an entity you don't trust completely?
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 06:54 PM
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Do you trust the military?
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 06:48 PM
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What if I showed you a way to fund Bernie's plan be reducing things we don't need? If I did that, showed you that all that could be provided without creating more money and simply moving money around, would you then be for those things? Is it just that, in your mind, we can't afford it? So if you were shown how we could afford it you would say Rah Rah!? Or is it simply that you don't trust the government to execute even if we did have the money? Seems strange coming from someone who was in the m…
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 06:47 PM
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Definitely respect and understand that bro. Yea I'm not a republican sympathizer either, they care just as little as the DNC but like Malcome X said, the reds are just more overt about how little shits they give about people. Why did you choose liberatarinism over being a progressive? No matter how successful I become, how much money I make, how much I personally "life myself up by my own bootstraps," I'm always going to believe that we should take care of each other. Everyone deserves to be tak…
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 06:23 PM
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Kind of. I was guiding my sister a while back. She came to me really bummed out that she couldn't find a good men. I taught her a few nuggets from r/redpillwomen. She started cooking, cleaning, and stuff and had more luck in dating. She acknolweded her own hypergamy and complainted that it was hard to control and that she was never taught about any of this stuff. Now she has a boyfriend and I haven't heard much out of her after that. The really only acknowledge it as long as understanding it ben…
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 06:15 PM
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Still am a liberal black guy. I haven't gone as far as you but I also see that dems don't care about black people. Not really. Even Malcom X commented on it. Though I think the best way to raise up a people is assistance programs like the new deal, or a war which provides a ton of jobs. The thing that MLK talked about when he pointed out how white people were getting government subsidies to farm and he was going to Washington to get the check for his people. A check we never got. Single mothers …
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 06:03 PM
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Can attest to this. Fat chicks are the best at oral.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 05:59 PM
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Finance doesn't mean you've mastered money. There are plenty of finance majors who make six figures but live paycheck to paycheck.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 05:57 PM
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Everyone is into different things. Louis seems like he is into self deprication. He'd probably be a submissive to a dominatrix. That's clearly a humiliating action to masterbate in front of someone who really isn't attracted to you. He gets off on the look on their face. This is pretty common actually. Men getting off on being deprecated. Especially common among powerful men.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 05:56 PM
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I agree with everything here accept for the insistence of learning STEM. Learn how to master money. If I had to choose between being and engineer with a steady job and being someone who has mastered money I'd choose the ladder every time. You can do both.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 05:51 PM
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All women are hookers. Just instead of taking money they take "tingles." And they will withdraw their affection if you don't give them their preferred currency. That's the reality of relationships. They are inherently transactional. You are only there because you are exchanging something.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 05:48 PM
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Childhood teaches a lot of lessons.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 05:39 PM
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Oh you were a boy, not a man. It's ok. You weren't even an adult yet. You didn't even know who you were.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 05:26 PM
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That definition is not the way in which the red pill uses the word. That definition is outdated and irrelevant. The definition the red pill actually uses is that hypergamy refers to a woman's nature. It's in a woman's nature to prefer higher value men over lower value men. And the features that determines a man's value in the woman's eyes are superficial. Nothing to do with personality or quality of the person, or the goodness of a person. They are attracted to symbols of status. Good looks, cha…
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 05:25 PM
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Reality. You must not have met many men. You live under a rock? Most women wives don't make any income. That law degree goes to waste. Women admit to becoming doctors so they can marry doctors and stay at home. Get a history book.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 05:16 PM
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Honestly if it were that easy for me I'd probably be a sugar baby as well. I feel like sugar daddies and sugar mammas know what the game is. They aren't stupid.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/10/18 05:08 PM
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Thanks for changing your language from "most" to "a lot." A lot of MGTOW are women haters. Doesn't say anything about MGTOW as a whole.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 04:59 PM
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Type of women? Hypergamy is about all women. What do you think hypergamy is?
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 04:58 PM
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I'm saying most men wouldn't care whether they were or were not homeless. Yes. In fact, this is more unsubstantiated but I'd put money that most men would actually choose the homeless women because they'd be under the perception that she'd be lower maintence than the one with a career. Men don't value women for having money. Period. That's one of the easiest redpills to swallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 04:41 PM
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No bro. You said MOST. You have to substantiate that claim with numbers if you are going to state the very dubious accuasation that MOST incels are stacy chasers. That's like pointing to a few posts you can find after some scouring of MGTOW men stating they hate women and then saying MOST MGTOW hate women.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 04:39 PM
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So if I showed you a post of a MGTOW proclaiming to hate women that means that MGTOW hate women?
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 04:37 PM
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Stating an unfounded generalization is not a fact. It's like saying that all MGTOW are women haters because you can point to a few posts from some people on the MGTOW subreddit.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 04:31 PM
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Same goes if a man is presented with two women with the same situations... of course he would go for a woman who has her own home and a steady job over someone who is homeless. This is absolutely false. Men and general don't give a shit about women's financial situation. If she is a good spouse he will take her into his home and finance her entire life gladly. I don't know what fantasy world you live in but it's not the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 04:30 PM
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Certified black guy here. You hit the nail on the head. The black community is very matriatrical. Black men were the first to be truly redpilled. Well, maybe Tesla but who knows what came first. Single mother household are pretty toxic in so far as single moms generally don't know how to raise men. Are there exceptions, sure, but the trend is clear. The biggest issue is that those that end up single mothers are there because they are inexperienced, short cited, and don't have good parenting skil…
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 04:28 PM
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Eh, that's just reddit in general. Reddit is just a host of different echo chambers. I got banned from r/thedonald for simply being a far left progressive.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 04:13 PM
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There you go. There is the balanced, non biased perspective. Shaming incels doesn't do a thing. It doesn't help those who actually are a victim of being shunned from the dating pool and it doesn't hurt those who are stacy chasers.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 04:12 PM
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Some incels you've met and scoured for say that they wouldn't date. Yet I know incels by their actions. Hell, just me and my experience disapproves your narrative. What do you have to say about the existence of incels who don't get any options? Or is that too against your personal narrative?
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 04:04 PM
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I'm at work so I can't see what you linked but it seems like it's an image. How is an image in any way supposed to infer a generalization about any group? Where is your data? Experience? What incel do you know who has great women throwing themselves at him but he is complaining about cripalling loneliness and not being able to find anyone? I've known multiple incels in my life and non of them, I repeat, none of them has sounded like that. They are all completely untouchable in any way by anyone.…
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 03:49 PM
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Women generally look better clothed. It hides any flaws they may have. Plus if everyone walked around naked it wouldn't necessarily be sexual. Case and point, nudest colonies. These clothes are specifically designed to sexualize them. Being naked won't necessarily do that.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 03:30 PM
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I think if that happens women will act conservative and submissive. They'll essentially have to make themselves of use by matching the services that the sex bot provides but giving men the "real" experience. Essentially women will have to stroke men's egos along with their cock. The bitchy "independent" women will disappear because women follow the path of least resistance. This will be after the period of rebellion we'll go through as they try to outlaw and ban robots. Which will fail in the sa…
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 03:24 PM
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What data are you using to qualify that statement? Every incel I've ever heard about or talk to don't have ANY options what so ever. How many have you talked to? What data are you using? Hell I used to be an incel and all I wanted was a women who wasn't a fucking wail who didn't look like she'd kill over of a heart attack at any moment. Where are you getting that assumption.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 03:00 PM
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I don't think there is anything wrong with enjoying the good parts of your relationship. That's part of relationships, the rollercoster. The more you open yourself up the more open to being hurt you are. It's a basic part of the human experience. Glad to hear you are better. Enjoy your past, focus on the good.
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 02:56 PM
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I didn't ask how you judge people. I asked whether you believe that women are hypergamous. As in they generally choose mates they have access to with higher status compared to choices with lower status. Do you believe this? Also, do you lock your door to your house at night or do you leave it open? Why or why not?
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 02:49 PM
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Did you have to get your hands registered as lethal weapons with the state?
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 02:40 PM
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Do you believe hypergamy exists? Why or why not?
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 02:27 PM
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Would you compare a person starving of hunger in the dessert to a person who is hungry because their favorite store is out of their favorite menu item?
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 02:10 PM
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So she gave you everything you wanted and you just threw it away? Yea you're an idiot. Unless there were problems you are omitting from your story. Which you probably are. She gave you sex anytime you wanted? She kept up with her health. She made herself as useful to you as you wanted? Unless you are uber chad with a million dollars no way this story exists. You uber chad?
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 02:06 PM
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Black men are the pioneers of all the things that MGTOW talk about. You want to know what it's like to have society, government, your own people not give a shit about you, and you are a white man? Look at the history of the black man. Pretty much everything that is happening to white men today and is going to happen to white men in terms of the biased laws, social norms, otrisization, etc. All this has already happened to black men. False allegations, policies specifically targeting our populati…
/r/MGTOW23/10/18 01:49 PM
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All women value men with money generally more than men without. If women could choose between two men with similar personalities except one had money and a home and a steady job and the other was homeless, they'd choose the guy with the job and money every time. We know this because money alone is a dealbreaker in a lot of cases for women. That's what it means to be a golddigger. If "how much money he makes" is in any way a factor you use to determine whether or not you want to be with them, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 01:27 PM
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In the U.S. it is. It's illegal.
/r/MGTOW22/10/18 12:58 AM
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Do you live in the UK?
/r/MGTOW21/10/18 04:31 PM
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That's the human experience. Relationships which happen and then end. That musician may just be going through a phase. Try System of a Down. Very diverse set of Music. Try hip hop, especially with artist that are single like Eminem. If you listen to pop music or "popular music" then yea, that's to be expected because the culture is blue pilled but pretty much all my music has at some point had that. It's just a common human experience. Skip those songs but don't pass up on artists that only have…
/r/MGTOW21/10/18 04:30 PM
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Parayste was decent up to the garbage ending. Ruined the entire anime for me. The anime wasn't good enough to have such a shitty anime. At least Death Note was amazing before it had it's crappy ending.
/r/MGTOW21/10/18 02:47 PM
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Maybe he did see it but did it anyway. It's not hard to predict that people would become more spoiled when given more conviences.
/r/MGTOW21/10/18 12:45 PM
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Damn I need to up my pigeon game.
/r/MGTOW21/10/18 12:34 PM
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That sub is probably one of the few refuges for red pilled men on reddit. Soon this sub will be banned then a lot of people will migrate to the Donald.
/r/MGTOW21/10/18 12:30 PM
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There are more way to get your rocks off than marriage my dude. If it's just about sex by hookers. Learn to spin plates. Or hell, go to or near eastern Europe or South America to get a live in "house maid" to tend to the house and "tend to you." Marriage is the worst thing you can possibly do to yourselves but there are a TON of other options.
/r/MGTOW221/10/18 11:44 AM
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English is definitely not your first language. I have no idea what you just said.
/r/MGTOW220/10/18 05:06 PM
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If you ignore reality, sure.
/r/MGTOW220/10/18 05:03 PM
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My last girlfriend was short, fat, and ugly. I have no interest in that. I can get plenty of women. I choose not to. But I know guys who can't get anyone. Literally anyone. Anyways. We agree. Men fall in love with ugly women for simply existing. Thanks for the convo.
/r/MGTOW220/10/18 05:01 PM
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I'm guessing english isn't your first language. I'll rephase. Simply existing makes them attractive enough to pursue.
/r/MGTOW220/10/18 04:15 PM
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Yea, that'ss what I said. She is ugly by society's standards but that didn't matter to me because as a man we are attracted to the majority of women regardless of what they do. They simply have to exist and they are attractive enough to pursue. For women this is very much not the case.
/r/MGTOW220/10/18 02:52 PM
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Let's see. The first one was my best friend's sister. I'd say that took time for me to like her because I met her in middle school. I wasn't sexually ready yet. I'd say that as soon as I became sexually minded in highschool and started to actaully be sexually attracted to girls, I started liking her.. The next girl was a girl in high school. I fell for her at first sight. I thought she was pretty immediately. I didn't "fall in love" because that would be uber creepy. But I was immediately sexual…
/r/MGTOW220/10/18 01:54 PM
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I have fallen in love with 2 ugly girls. They'd be ugly by common standards. One was a 4 another was a 3.
/r/MGTOW220/10/18 01:36 PM
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What do you say to broke university students fucking each other constantly then? They certainly know those guys have no money and don't expect any. Those are casual sex partners, not life mates, which is what I'm talking about. But lets talk about short term partners as well. This is the same for highschool as well. They are acting on their hypergamy. Attracted to symbols of status. Superficial characteristics. Good looks, Charisma, confidence. Which is why women aren't falling over themselves g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 08:39 PM
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but still - we don't love them.. we want them if they are sexy for us... that was my point man :) no love from us too.. just attraction and desire based on her looks.. That was what you said, not what I said.
/r/MGTOW219/10/18 08:31 PM
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Generalizations aren't necessary inaccurate. They just can't possibly encompass everyone. But they are still useful. Very useful. most of science is generalizations. The reason we know that smoking is unhealthy is because of a generaliazation. Not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer. We are talking about the vast majority. I feel perfectly comfortable using the experience of the vast majority to generalize about the human experience because it's the experience we are most likely to encounter wi…
/r/MGTOW218/10/18 07:20 PM
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Some though we were speaking in generalizations about the majority.
/r/MGTOW218/10/18 07:10 PM
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If she were everything else I wanted then no. If she became a vegetable I would though.
/r/MGTOW218/10/18 07:10 PM
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men LOVE women for what they provide = if she is HOT, you are excited, your status and ego feels great, she is proving her looks to you and her health.. This is just jumbling words together. Saying that a woman "provide" looks is not the same as "providing" money. This is very intellectually dishonest. "with her.. but only if she is hot (attractive) for that man.. if he considers her ugly, he has no interest in her (no value coming from her looks .)" And most men find most women attractive enoug…
/r/MGTOW218/10/18 07:03 PM
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I usually don't like anecdotal evidence on either side. For every example you can give some blue pilled simp will point out a counter example of women staying with a man.
/r/MGTOW218/10/18 06:44 PM
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It's actually just that. In the literal sense we love them REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DO as long as they aren't unhealthy. Or don't "look" old and unhealthy. Just look healthy and fertile. Men and women love differently. Women love the thing that men do for them. Provide status, money, etc. Men love for what the women ARE regardless of what they do. A women simply has to exist and men will fall in love with him. Neither love is unconditional and both are shallow in their own right but one is arguab…
/r/MGTOW218/10/18 06:35 PM
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What if attractive means "looks healthy and fertile." Like it has generally always been? Is that worth shaming?
/r/MGTOW218/10/18 06:25 PM
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it's shaming guys posting BS about women who don't love them and then looking only at hot girls.. I'm a man so no man shaming.. but faggot shaming who believes in his pure love for woman.. What is their definition of ugly? How do we know that they are only looking at non-ugly girls. Maybe they are just not looking at unhealthy whales. many drugs abusers still skinny and hot and guys want to "love" them.. many endomorph type of women who cares about themselfs but fucked on sexual market because o…
/r/MGTOW218/10/18 06:21 PM
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Fapping is an addiction as much as playing basketball is an addiction to Kobe Bryant. Pseudo science nonsense.
/r/MGTOW218/10/18 06:18 PM
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There is love for women who look healthy and no love for women who don't because they clearly don't really love themselves if they can't even take care of themselves. How can you love someone who doesn't even love themselves? What the hell is this man shaming garbage.
/r/MGTOW218/10/18 06:10 PM
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Yep. That's the point. If you think you can't love then have a child and see how quickly that changes your mind. Directed towards any man that laments the fact that women are gold digging whores.
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre18/10/18 05:34 PM
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Female records held by Men* I fixed that for you.
/r/MGTOW18/10/18 05:33 PM
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Because a man isn't just a person with a penis. A man is what he does. Women are valued by society for simply existing and having a womb. Men are valued for what they do. By calling women a "man" it's a compliment because it's implied that her actions are being celebrated and not just her existence. The reason this is the case is probably the same reason that there is the idea of what a "real man" is but no one talks about what a "real woman" is outside of debates about transgenderism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 04:36 PM
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Every woman is a gold digger because you have to have some level of income for them to even consider you. The only question is what level of gold digger you accept. Having money is like having wheels on a car. It may not be the only thing they look at but you can bet if you don't have it they aren't going to give you the time of day unless you are chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 04:09 PM
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I'm sorry for your loss. Yet that proves that you haven't lost the ability to love just because you know that women are glorified whores. You can love which means you feel thing things that come with it. Extreme pain from loss. Love isn't always pretty as you very well know. It makes you question whether you should actually seek it when these are the type of consequences that so often happen because you fall in love. Whether it be a woman or your child.
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre18/10/18 04:03 PM
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Is this satire? Bill Burr is a prophet.
/r/MGTOW18/10/18 03:06 PM
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We don't lose are ability to love. We lose are ability to feel romantic love for women. If you want to love I recommend adopting. You'll rediscover that feeling inside you when you have a child to look after.
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre18/10/18 02:34 PM
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Gotta watch this after work
/r/MGTOW18/10/18 01:16 PM
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What ned flanders fantasy worlds are you talking about? Are you saying that games should be moded with sexy mods because they don't have enough sex like game of thrones?
/r/MGTOW18/10/18 11:56 AM
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I watch them because a red pill away keeps the divorce rape away. Honestly it's because I do plan on dating again. I just need the reminders against cohabitation and to know what I'm getting into. In the back of my mind I've stilled hoped for a NAWALT but I've drilled that out of my mind now. I watch less mgtow videos but still a few. Kurama mgtow keeps changing his name. Replicant fish. Raging golden eagle is pretty entertaining.
/r/MGTOW218/10/18 11:55 AM
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How do you think a court would view it? Or a jury?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 01:23 AM
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Ah so consent in a relationship is implied unless overtly revoked? So if I have sex with my girlfriend while she sleeps and she doesn't wake up I haven't raped her, even if I don't tell her about it? What about if I'm having sex with my girlfriend and she wakes up absolutely freaked out? Should she be able to claim I raped her if I stop as soon as I see she is disapproving or does her experience of my "surprise sex" matters more? I'd like to know what you think and also what you think the courts…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 12:17 AM
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Takes a bow
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/10/18 08:59 PM
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Exactly. This is the future. To each their own I guess. I can understand the kink, I am just not into it. Plus I'm not going to harp too much on how people mod their own personal single player game as long as they don't force that into the main game. Which is why I don't really play JRPG's where tits-and-ass in nonsensical places and characters is part of the core game.
/r/MGTOW17/10/18 07:52 PM
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Same here. Harvey exchanged opportunity for sexual favors which they were willing and eager to take in order to climb the ladder. He used his power to get sex. Men have done that since the dawn of time. They do it because women at their core are whores. Bill Cosby was "he said, she said." Period. No evidence what so ever came out against him.
/r/MGTOW17/10/18 07:19 PM
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Yea they all seem ridiculous to me. Especially in like the fallout universe or Elderscrolls universe. It just doesn't make sense that an adventurer would be out flaunting her breasts. Maybe some of the actual whores would but not the Main character. Not the DragonBorn lol
/r/MGTOW17/10/18 05:39 PM
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If a woman wakes her boyfriend up with a blowjob is it rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 05:01 PM
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Ah makes sense.
/r/MGTOW17/10/18 02:52 PM
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I never got the appeal of slut mods. If I'm going to make a female character she is going to be competent. Which means she doesn't' actually need to use her sexuality to get shit done. I still have fond memories of me and my femshep. Also my female warden from Dragon age series.
/r/MGTOW17/10/18 02:34 PM
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Perhaps. I'm not sure the history of each word.
/r/MGTOW217/10/18 10:35 AM
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Zombie hoard?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/10/18 02:37 AM
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NAWALT has it's use in that it describes something which doesn't exist but people hope it exists.
/r/MGTOW217/10/18 02:34 AM
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I think he was trying to get her to acknowledge her flawed reasoning and she was just dancing around the issue. When she described women as being able to offer sex and men offering money, that is 100% prostitution. Notice how she didn't specify anything outside of "her body" that could be offered as valuable to a man. And she wonders why she is lonely? She didn't name anything that she could offer a man that he wasn't ALSO giving her. Intimacy, a connection, sex, love. A woman is getting this fr…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/10/18 12:02 AM
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AAlready did. They are absolute garbage and say nothing that couldn't be said about working out, watching movies, reading books, etc.
/r/MGTOW216/10/18 10:17 PM
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Porn is bad, though I shall give no reason other than my opinion. Thanks for nothing bro.
/r/MGTOW216/10/18 09:00 PM
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Same is true of anything. Does is say when it "resets?" You are basically advocating for not doing anything you like because it releases feel good chemicals which make you happy. If you have no ability to manage your consumption of porn then don't do it. For those with self control we'll gladly enjoy what you can't because apparently you have an addictive personality and don't know how to show self control.
/r/MGTOW216/10/18 06:19 PM
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Things you do that you enjoy releases feel good chemicals. News flash at 8!
/r/MGTOW216/10/18 05:40 PM
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Name a few that can't be applied to your brain on television or videogames or a good movie or a good book or a romance novel or watching your favorite sport.
/r/MGTOW216/10/18 05:15 PM
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I'm actually being ironic. You accuse me of interpreting your words in the worst possible way while at the same time interpreting my words in the worst possible way. When I say I'd drop a woman who fucks up I mean I'd drop a woman who would not respect the rules and boundries I set up. As in, she wouldn't apologize, wouldn't learn from them, and wouldn't try to stop violating my boundries. I'm not going put up a rule like "no talking with your mouth full at the table," then she breaks it once an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 12:32 PM
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I haven't cried in years. It's just not really in me. I don't know if it's healthy or not. Just...doesn't happen. I have teared up at certain scenes in movies but it's not really crying.
/r/MGTOW216/10/18 07:07 AM
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I don't think it's ok for anyone to cheat for any reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 06:52 AM
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A woman giving more head doesn't mean the man doesn't give head ever. It's ok for a man to cheat because a housewife doesn't make as much money as her husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 04:22 AM
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What does this have to do with anything? A woman giving head has more value because that's one thing she actually offers. Regular sex for a man who would otherwise have a hard time obtaining it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 03:15 AM
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They understand it they just don't like it.
/r/MGTOW216/10/18 02:11 AM
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I second this. Look at ancient statues of the greek goddess Aphrodite. Did she have gross sagging breasts?
/r/MGTOW216/10/18 12:55 AM
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Eh, I see it as a prostitution but it's still can be useful. Here is how I view it in my mind. Prositutes you pick up off the street satisfy base sexual desire on a superficial way similar to masterabation. This is the closest to a sex doll. Escort pretend to give you the "girlfriend" experience which seek to satisfy the emotional aspect of our desires. Our desire for intimacy. They may offer more non-sexual services like cooking meals, snuggling, watching a movie together, going on dates. But i…
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 09:33 PM
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I never claimed to be entitled to anything. You are the master of the strawman. Teach me your ways Sensei!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:20 PM
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I'm at work so I can't find it but there is a this big meta study of the comparison. I know if what would satisfy me and every other man I know. We are all the exact same. All women are completely different and there are infinite sources of women admitting to getting everything they say they want and still not loving their spouse. Satisfying men is super easy. At least sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:01 PM
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Is it? Why are lesbian couples so miserable then? They have the highest rate of divorce. Least amount of sex. Highest rate of demosticf violence. They stay together for the least amount of time. And Gay male couples have the highest amount of sex, least amount of domestic violence, lowest rate of divorce. I seriously doubt it's so "easy" for a woman's emotional needs to be fulfilled by anyone. Including women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 08:33 PM
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I seriously doubt it. We like porn because we are naturally and biologically attracted to youthful bodies. That's been that way for millions of years. And it makes sense. Youthful bodies are a sign of fertility. Don't buy into the blue pill feminist garbage of old hags who want to shame you for liking what you are biologically inclined to like.
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 08:27 PM
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How hard is it to make a man feel like you are attracted to him? What's hard about it? Seems pretty simple. Don't reject sex. Be eager to have sex with him and only him. It's not really more complicated then that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 08:21 PM
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You have problably made the best argument I've heard for marriage. Except you aren't guaranteed custody of your children even in marriage. And divorces can be very traumatic to children. If you were absolutely garenteed equal custody of your children in all cases than that would be a great argument to have children. But the simple reality is that men are not. AT least in America.
/r/askTRP15/10/18 08:13 PM
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The guy, society, many factors can "disable" a woman's hypergamy. Or by another perspective you can say that her hypergamy is being satisfied by being with a guy she perceives to be of high value. But again, that is subject to her perception which could change for any number or reasons. Hell she could just have a hormone shift and stop "perceviing' his leadership as good. She could start to interpret his leadership as abuse with a quick "switch" of her brain regardless of what the man does. What…
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 08:10 PM
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I'm adopting.
/r/askTRP15/10/18 08:00 PM
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That may work for relationships but it doesn't work for child barring. The family courts are still heavily scewed in her favor.
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 07:33 PM
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A "good woman" is a subjective and arbitrary term. I don't think anyone will argue that all women are "not good." That outside the pervew of relationships. Now if you are arguing for the existence of NAWALTs then that's completely different. NAWALT's don't exist. Every women is subject to hypergamy. You may find a woman that better suppresses her natural biological urges because she finds pleasing you to be in her best interest and then call her a "good woman." But she isn't a NAWALT. She is a c…
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 07:32 PM
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You believe that it's as easy and simple to satisfy women's emotional needs as it is to satisfy a man's sexual needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 07:23 PM
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Show me a husband that was madly in love with his wife and then stopped loving her becase she "put on extra pounds" and I'll show you a relationship with much more deep rooted problems. that's absolutle crap. The vast majority of men aren't abandoning good women because they put on a "few extra pounds." "My wife who I was deeply in love with gained 5 pounds there for I feel nothing towards her despite her empting my balls every night." Said no husband ever. Men simply don't love like women love.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 07:16 PM
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Where to get intimacy? A dog?
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 07:02 PM
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Who's to say the man isn't attempting? What if he is attempting but she isn't satisfied because you can't satisfy a woman's emotional needs unlike the way you can satisfy a man's sexual needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 06:55 PM
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Well first I have to find out what you believe it is so I can find out why exactly you misunderstand so much young Padawan.
/r/askTRP15/10/18 06:34 PM
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What women really want is status and social validation. I can't see a woman truly seeking an ai anymore than she seeks a dildo. She wants validation from others based on her spousal choice. I can't see how she is going to get that from an AI that literally any woman can get unless they make an AI that rejects the vast majority of women. I don't see how that's a good business model. The appeal of a high status men is that many women want him but only one women will get him, typically. Everything …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 05:49 PM
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Thanks for proving my point, even if you don't realize it. Good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 05:46 PM
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Explain this concept of virtual chads and how it relates to AI please. You had my curiosity. Now you have my attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 05:28 PM
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Yea I can see that. I don't see how this will satisfy a woman's hypergamy though. But I can't possibly imagine that world anyway. We'll have to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 05:23 PM
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What do you think will happen? I think the sex bots are going to completely destroy romantic interpersonal relationships. Especially because people are absolute shit in general. Who'd want to put in all the effort to court a women when yiou can just come home to a sex bot who can satasify your sex drive and hug you and feel just like a woman? Something to cuddle at night. Something who will listen and comfort you with kind words when you are sad. Sexbots will be the end of humanity as we know it…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 05:12 PM
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I have never heard that definition of NAWALT and the distincition of "True nawalt." You either are a nawalt or you aren't. What you are describing is a Chameleon. There is already a word for what you describe. A chameleon is someone who pretends to be a NAWALT for as long as she can. That's all women that want to impress their men and they will continue to do it as long as it's the path of least resistance. NAWALT is a woman who is not subject to hypergamy. NAWALT's don't exist. Closest you are …
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 04:27 PM
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What's bad about porn?
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 04:12 PM
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I haven't ever heard anyone else give any other definition of NAWALT. If you see it let me know. I've been redpill for years. Show me another accepted definition then we can talk.
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 04:03 PM
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Unattractive and unhealthy are two different things. Putting on weight is her not taking care of herself and shortening her lifespan. It's harmful to everyone in the family. Herself, her partner, her children. It's like if a man started doing something highly dangerous, like participating in knife fights when he has a family to raise. That would be extremely irresponsible and I wouldn't blame a woman for leaving him. It's neglect at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 04:01 PM
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A NAWALT requires unconditional love. A NAWALT is a woman who under certain conditions will act upon her basic human nature. Specifically her own hypergamy. Will every women act the exact same in all situations? No. And that's not what Nawalt means. Nawalt means given the right situation all women are subject to hypergamy. That's not to say that every women will in her lifetime. It's safer to believe that all guns are loaded especially since all guns CAN be loaded. You're lifespan will drastical…
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 03:58 PM
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This doesn't help. Unless you can prove that something exists than saying "you can't behave that way because you can't state 100% sure that it doesn't exist, even if you have no reason to believe it exists." This doesn't help at all. Unless you present some kind of evidence that unconditional love exists then it doesn't exist in humans and I have no reason to pursue something that I have no reason to believe exists. Would you spend a ton of energy hunting pink unicorns? No? Why? You can't prove …
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 03:40 PM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 03:30 PM
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Under what we were taught growing up by society, Not doing evil is a desirable trait because human beings are naturally selfish and can be incredibly cruel. We were taught that kindness, empathy, listening to her talk, being there for her, being a shoulder for her to cry on, giving gifts, being a gentlemen. These are supposed to be attractive traits. Being Beast from beauty and the beast. That's the bill we were sold and it's a lie. You have to have charisma, status, good looks, money. Gastan fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 03:29 PM
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Why would I seek something I know doesn't exist? It's like seeking unconditional love. It doesn't exist? Why would I seek it/ Doesn't mean I can't have meaningful relationships with AWALTs. I'm just going to manage risk. I know their love is superficial and transactional and will fade often times under conditions I can't control. I'm not going to "give them my everything." It will essentially be a business relationships. I give her feels and a sense of security, she gives me intamcy and regular …
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 03:20 PM
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You're right. Society treats women like children who can't be responsible for their own descisions. But then wants women to have the exact same rights as men. It's ridiculous. Chose one. Either women are responsible adults who are accountable for their actions or they are children who shouldn't have the same rights as men.
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 02:17 PM
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The conversation is over. Move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:54 PM
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I hear you. We know how "solid" a woman's "feelings" are. And how often those changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:45 PM
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Nah. I've chosen not to pursue anyone at this time. I'm just making sure I have solidified boundries for when I begin. I've been really busy working on my financial situation. I've been celibate for 3 years. Before that I was spinning plates. I'll get back into it just with much less enthusiasm and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:44 PM
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It is nice when they can be nice. I'm still going to be MGTOW but I'm going to spin plates/date. I won't go out of my way to do it but I'll be open to it. I'm also going to get escorts on the side. I have a purpose I'm focusing on. Adoption. That takes money and financial security. All the other things I'll get through osmosis.
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 01:42 PM
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This conversation is done if you won't answer the question about the spider. If a spider exhibites the exact same behavior as humans but they cannot feel love then what does that say about human sacrifide for their mate? If you refuse to engage then we are done Storffish.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:38 PM
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Celibacy? What? No. We'd be having sex like the first night. Just no alcohol during it. She can do what ever she wants on her own time. Just no alcohol with me. I want her to be fully consenting and conscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:34 PM
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again, bullshit. when you love someone you absolutely put their needs above your own. look at mothers who go hungry so their children can eat, men who take bullets for their girlfriends. We aren't discussing a parents love. Protecting your spouse and your legacy is beneficial to the self in the same way that the male blackwidow sacrificing itself for it's children is also beneficial to it's legacy. Would you say that a spider can love? Self sacrifice for our legacy is a biological urge. I have b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:24 PM
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You just contradicted yourself. "money has not been found to be connected with an increased risk of divorce. Lack of male breadwinning is,:" What is breadwinning? Working for what? Say it with me. MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we agree that what women want out of a relationship is someone to give her money that makes relationships a sophisticated form of prostitution and proves that women don't actually love because love isn't about money in any way. We have to redefine love to something unfamiliar f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:22 PM
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No. But I believe in managing risk. I just put proper stop-losses to minimize the risk with interacting with women. Stop loss number 1. No marriage. Stop loss number 2. No bio kids. Stop loss number 3. No illicit substances the first few times we have sex. Stop loss number 4. Don't live in a state with common law marriage. Which I currently don't live in. Stop loss number 5. Get a "yes" before sexual activities. Stop loss number 6. Be ready to drop her as soon as she violates and boundries that …
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 01:14 PM
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I'm not drinking either. A strict rule in dating me will be no alcohol consumption on either party until I can trust her. Which will mean months of dating. No weed. No illicit substances under any circumstances while we are together. She can drink while she is alone but not while with me. I don't drink much as it is. If I do smell alcohol or weed on her I'm leaving and might just break it off on the spot. I don't have time for drama with my plates. I'm a busy man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:03 PM
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That's expensive and I don't know a country like that. I've looked. Maybe African countries but I wouldn't want to live there. Much easier to just not marry and not have bio children.
/r/askTRP15/10/18 01:01 PM
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No one puts someone else's needs above their own because love is conditional. You are still satisfying your desires when in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:00 PM
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Alcohol is out of the question. That's an easy way to get metoo'd. There will be no alcohol. that will be one of my boundries. If she can't deal with that then she can go find some other simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:03 PM
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Are you sure? You were projecting some suicidal thoughts pretty hard just now.
/r/askTRP15/10/18 12:03 PM
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Your post made it seems like every guy had optiosn and every guy is choosing the worth option out of the options he has. If a guy is dating two women and one gives amazing blowjobs and doesn't nag and he gets along with her, and the other is bossy and they have nothing in common. 10 times out of 10 he'll go for the girl giving blowjobs. That's common sense.
/r/askTRP15/10/18 12:01 PM
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No a lot of woman are not like that. That's unnatural. That's like saying a lot of people are born blind. Most people are born with two eyes. Since we are generalizing you can't just the small minority as a rule when the majority go against that rule. Generally, most women have children because they want to. If they find a reliable guy they chose to have a chiild WITH him because she feels secure enough to act on her desire. Otherwise they'd resent their child once born or if the man leaves. Yet…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:59 AM
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It's not about a challenge. A challenge is something you can actually win.
/r/askTRP15/10/18 11:57 AM
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That's a pretty wicked strawman there. I'm impressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:57 AM
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You haven't looked. And even if you found that how would that change your perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:56 AM
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That sounds like you aren't willing to date a man you can't step on. I wouldn't want to date you either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:56 AM
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That's a pretty broad sweeping statement. It's not another person's job to emotionally satisfy a person that can't be emotionally satified. Name what can emotionally satify a woman. I'll wait. If you can't name it then it isn't anyone else's job but hers to emotional satify her. I can tell you what will sexually satisfy every man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:55 AM
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Yea he needs to lift.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 11:54 AM
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I already know the truths. I found out years ago. You don't understand MGTOW at all.
/r/askTRP15/10/18 11:51 AM
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Thanks for this. It really helps. I'm thinking about getting a dog.
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 11:50 AM
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Are you ok?
/r/askTRP15/10/18 11:48 AM
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I used to be. Those words are shadows of what I believed they were.
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 11:48 AM
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What did you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:12 AM
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I never said this. What I'm saying is that based on the reason women give for leaving their men, I don't believe they are leaving or cheating because of "serious abuse or neglect." "He doesn't make enough money" is not a good reason to fall out of love. And that's why most women leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:11 AM
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Let her leave. If she doesn't believe that she can behave right enough to keep me then screw her. I'd only dump her if she fucked up. If she wants to fuck up and can't handle the pressure of not fucking up, then I don't need to be growing attached to that type of person. A person who will only be with me as long as their mistakes don't matter and have little consequence. Let her go find some simp she can walk all over. I don't see how that will harm me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:08 AM
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It's easy to be blinded about the depth of male loyalty when male fickleness doesn't and won't impact your future in any way. True. I don't see how I can improve so much where regular blowjobs, homecooked meals, a clean house, and minimal nagging wouldn't be good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:06 AM
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I'd want to know why he is checking out. Women often portray themselves in the best light. Also I never said it was ok for anyone to cheat. If she started neglected herself and him and he found that neglect unattractive and therefore rejected her, that would make sense. If she started treating him with disrespect or abuse and so he lost attraction to her, that would make sense. Again, serious neglect or abuse are legit reasons to fall out of love based on what society has taught the masses. We'd…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:47 AM
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Sex related attributes? Give me a slightly overweight but healthy woman who doesn't neglect me and my old self would have been in love forever. Men are attracted to women for their sex related attritubes but many men fall in love beyond that. Men get "wife goggles." You take a man and show him a picture of his wife when she was 20, and she's 40, and iff she has been a good partner he will still be attracted to her generally. Men just want a women with a working vagina, who is healthy and doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:43 AM
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Yes that's what I plan on doing but I don't want to get my heart broken, lose my kids and half my shit. I"m going to be open to LTR's just under strict conditions. No marriage, no bio kids. If she slips up it's over and I'm moving on. I'll treat the relationship like the, most likely, temporary business agreement that it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:24 AM
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I seriously doubt this scenario. Especially if he claims to love her. I can't really see this happening very often. This sounds like she choose someone who is not actually in love with her. Plus who wouldn't want blowjobs while gaming? Is he asexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:22 AM
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What's stopping her from giving a blowjob? I'm sure he'd be willing to talkk if all these "emotional feely, how are you doing" talks came with blowjobs so it wasn't just her getting something out of the interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:16 AM
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From what I'm reading i gather that you think men always have some sort of residual love for their wives regardless of aging or dead bedroom or god knows what else. No I do not think this. You could stand to read a bunch of posts, written from their perspective, on what they really think of wives who aren't attractive and don't fuck them with the proper ardor. It's very hard for them to maintain love in that situation. I'd classify this as neglect since one of the things that the man got into th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:12 AM
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Single mothers are absolutely out of the question. I'd only be in a relationship where I essentially have all the power. That sound like PUA shit. I'm not going to work that hard just to get some pussy. Rather just buy an escort. I'd get those out of osmosis.
/r/MGTOW215/10/18 12:04 AM
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Overthinking things is how I survived my suicidial period during my blue pill days. I do life weights.
/r/askTRP15/10/18 12:03 AM
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I'm not in the anger phase. I'm upset but more like disappointment. I went through my anger phase years ago. I already know the conditions under which I'd have a relationship. No marriage, no kids, living in a state with no common law marriage which I already do. It will be extremely hard to find that since most if not all women will eventually want to get married. Which is why I'm not going to actively seek LTR"s despite being open to them. I'm going to double down on my focus on my career, inv…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:02 AM
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I lift with my brain. Not thinking is how you end up divorce raped.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 11:51 PM
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Then you've moved the goal post. Now you are saying you would be with your spouse no matter your financiall situation. It's nice to say. Much harder to do. Anyways, I wish you luck. I have no reason to wish you illwill. Stay happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:50 PM
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What if you can't pay the bills? You have to sell your home and downsize your entire life bvecause your husband doesn't want to work that high paying job anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:39 PM
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This didn't help at all. Just common sense.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 11:39 PM
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So to you the female black widow biting the head off of the male black widow isn't toxic because it's her nature? Ok bro.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 11:38 PM
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It's actually the exact opposite. Belle didn't like beast because he exhibited traits that a hypergamous woman would like. Guston was the one who a woman would go after if she were hypergamous. Bell saught loyalty, kindness "sweet, almost kind, dear, and unsure." She saught beta traits. Rewatch the movie. Hell, sing the songs. The hypergamous women were those three women fawning over Gaston, not belle. Being "civil" is not something that satisfies hypergamy. That's just basic decency. And we all…
/r/askTRP14/10/18 11:27 PM
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Because I was raised by a single mother who didn't teach me to be a man. She taught me how to be nice and please women. She did this because she is AWALT. I'm sure she didn't know any other way. She got pregnant to a 6'4 "Tyrone" and had next to no parenting skills when she raised me. Not to say she was a bad mother but she definihtely didn't prepare me for the world. I learned everything pretty much as an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:13 PM
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That's absolutely stupid. Reading the sidebar isn't going to make me love someone who has traits that are toxic. I don't love dogs because they can bite me. I can love them DESPITE that possibillty. But I'm not giong to love them because of that.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 11:11 PM
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Good day. Didn't read past the first sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:09 PM
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No my mom is awalt defined. I wouldn't want to date anyone like the women in my family. But if the women in my family were like NAWALTT's then yes. I'm simply attracted to characteristics that are conducive to a harmonious, happy, monogamous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:08 PM
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Even if it means that it'll force you both into a must lower standard of living? The standard of living you want for your children?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 11:07 PM
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You ever see that movie with Kevin spacey where his wife cheats on him. He quits his job because it's very unfullfilling and gets a low stress job at some fast food restaunt. He is definintely changing into a different person but it's not who his wife wants him to be. But it is what's good for him and he is far happier flipping burgers then working a high stress job for enough money to maintain the lifestyle his wife wants. You think he is a bad person for looking out for his own mental health?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:57 PM
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LOL!
/r/askTRP14/10/18 10:55 PM
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That's the type of love we were lead to believe existed as we grew up. Unconditional, eternal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:55 PM
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If you are redpilled you know that definition are absolutle garbage since most are blue pilled.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 10:55 PM
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I agree. LTR's are not high risk besides heart break. But the vast majority of women you get in LTR's with want marriage. Especially red pilled women. Marraige is their end game. So LTR's is high risk in that you may grow attached to someone who really wants something you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:54 PM
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I didn't read past the first sentence. I see you aren't open to actual discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:52 PM
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I'm saying it's possible for your partner to change in a way that is beneficial to them but not for you. And I'm sure you'd want your partner to take care of themselves. You are pretending like the only waay to be a good person is to act in a way that is beneficial to you, even if it no longer becomes what's best for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:43 PM
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I never said it's pointless. I am saying it's high risk with relatively low reward. I'm ok with taking risks as long as I can manage it. But that ability to manage it flies out the window if she wants kids or marriage. I'm open to LTR;s. I'm just not going to dive into it like most people. I'm giong to place "stop-losses." No bio kids, no marriage and we won't live in a state with common law marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:38 PM
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Until that doesn't work and they don't change and you leave because you espected them to change. Unless you are saying you'd stay with them even if tehy changed. Which people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:35 PM
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I'm adopting a boy. Teach him how to succeed in this world and how to protect himself. I wouldn't even know what to do with a girl knowing she is going to grow up to be extremely self centered and hypergamous. I'd try to treat her right and prepare her for the world by teaching her responsibility. But then all my teachings would most likely be thrown out the window when she grows up and sees that life is essentially on easy mode for her from 18-25. I'd do a lot more good with the boy I feel.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 10:34 PM
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Yes or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:30 PM
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Yet even that fades. Most I'd say don't even make it to that point, and those who do most don't succeed. Those that do succeed still would fall out of love with their partner under the right conditions. Let's not forget that to even get into the door you still need to have superficial qualities. Hell most of the time when people claim they love someone it is entirely in this honeymoon phase. The love you are talking about is just as likekly to fail as it is to succeed. I still fail to see how th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:29 PM
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You wouldn't love your children unconditionally?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:24 PM
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What would that prove? Would seeing that stat change your mind if I took the time to find it and link it to you? If not then what is the point of presenting it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:24 PM
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Until they don't. Then you leave because "I don't know who you are anymore." Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 10:23 PM
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I really apprecaite this post. Take my upvote. I have a problem with this. The family courts. If I let a woman have my bio children she then takes all the power in the relationship and I am not garenteed custody of my children if she wants to leave. Marriage is "supposed" to garentee this but we know it doesn't. Judges throw out prenups. Also I'm never getting married. That's another way to lose all the power in the relatiionship. So there is my dilemna. I can't have children with a women becaus…
/r/askTRP14/10/18 10:23 PM
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No. Tradcon wife's don't fuck their husbands. What fantasy are you living in?
/r/askTRP14/10/18 09:29 PM
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Or maybe there is something medically wrong with him. How often does he lift? How old is he? How often does he masterabate? Has he seen a doctor? Has he had a vasectomy? Was he molested as a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:27 PM
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Yes I would love them all the same. Yes unconditional love can be shit. But when it comes to romantically it can often be amazing. It means that that person is always there for me. I have someone to share life with no matter what. I think parents know what it's like to feel unconditional love. Especially mothers. A child doesn't have to do anything to receive love. And for many parents there is absolutely nothing that child could do to not be loved by the parent. Does it mean you let your child …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:25 PM
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You cannot someone who doesnt love you. You cannot love someone who doesnt respect, care for, appreciate, take care of themselves for your benefit, or consider you. Those are all aspects of "love". I beg to differ. I think you can very much love someone who doesn't love you. In fact I know that for 100 percent certain you can. I'm an example of that, my stepdad is an example of that. I know plenty of people who love people that don't love them. I'll love my child unconditionally I'll tell you th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:18 PM
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The BP fantasy is already broken for me. It has been for a long time. I'm just trying to find the best path to follow given reality.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 09:14 PM
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Yes, love by the shallow definition that is used her. If love is redefined to mean "temporary feeling of conditional and often fleeting affection," then yes, love exists. It's not the love that we were taught existed by society. That love is hardly different from the affection a escort. That love is hardly different from "like." That love can destroy you and fades for seemingly no reason, out of your control. That love is chaotic in the worst way. That love is bought and traded and sold. That's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:13 PM
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Shift my focus away from myself and towards her? No thanks. I value myself too highly to base myself in any way on a woman's judgement.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 09:09 PM
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I'm saying that in the same way you have to work hard and get money to attract an escort, you have to work hard and get superficial qualities to attract a girlfriend. Charisma, status symbols, a six pack. These are superficial qualities that have nothing to do with the quality of person you are or how good of a person you are. Anyone can do that. From the sociopathic woman beater to the gold hearted simariton. The traits that attract women are superficial and are attainable by working in the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:06 PM
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I never claimed that my love, as I currently am, is unconditional. Love is conditional on love makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:00 PM
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Yet most do. Most people are still blue pilled after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:57 PM
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You already agreed with me that unconditional love doesn't exist. I never claimed that successful marriages don't exist in the same way I never claimed that people don't win the lottery. You personally know people who have had successful relationships. If instead of your parents and your grandparents having successful relationship both ended in divorce, would that change your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:57 PM
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Of those people, what is the value? If I got a fake rolex that gave me the same affect as having the real thing, as in people complimented me the same and it sold for the same amount, what would be the benefit of having a real rolex? Sell me genuine affection as opposed to fake affection when both can and would be lost for the same reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:53 PM
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Miserable?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:51 PM
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I would say that their relationship would have worked with or without marriage. Yes their love is stronger than most. I agree. Love being conditional deminsihes it's value but I don't think it completely removes it. It's just not something that is worth as much as I trhought it was, which makes me seek it far less. The vast majority of people would have left each other, which would have head dire consquences. Not to mention your grandparents grew up in a completely different era. Their loves is …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:48 PM
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So which one of them went to prison for 10 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:46 PM
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What is the value of their affection if they only feel that way because of superficial qualities that anyone can show? If a woman is attracted to me because I have good hair and a six pack, and will fall out of attration to me if I lose the six pack and go bald, how is that more valuable than the affection of an escort?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:45 PM
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If unconditional love existed than she would not do that to me because, as someone else pointed out, love is trying to do what makes your partner happy. Becoming a fat shrew is not love. I couldn't love her because she wouldn't love me. If unditional love existed than this situation wouldn't happen in the first place. We would really live happilyl ever after. Every couple would be the old couple on the bench holding hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:44 PM
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Personally I would not say it's ok. But I never argued it was in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:41 PM
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Why is your default position not to trust people?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:41 PM
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House maid.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 08:36 PM
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Yes I do. I wouldn't marry her, but I can see myself loving. IT would just have to be very very conditional and my "love" would be the love defined by this thread, not the love most have been taught. It wouldnt' be eternal, it wouldn't be unconditional. It would be extrememly conditional. Love to me is essentially temporary infatuation based on superficial traits. By the definition, sure I can love. It's just not what I'd hope it would be. Which is probably why I won't actively seek it. I'll pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:35 PM
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Ah so there IS you just don't think it's likely based on who your spouse is currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:33 PM
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What is the difference in your mind between love and "like you a lot?"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:32 PM
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Define genuine emotional intimacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:32 PM
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That trust is far from unconditional and when it starts to fall apart is when the relationship does too. I pretty much treat people as individuals and judge them based on my experiences with them, and the experience that people I trust have with them -- and possibly cultural factors too in cases where it's useful. I can tell you right now that this isn't true. There are things you do to protect yourself and you don't just trust everyone the exact same. You base your interactions with people base…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:31 PM
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Society. Have you been outside lately?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:24 PM
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I have not created the situation. The statistics bear this out. In a world where unconditional love was capable then there should be no scenario that garentees the two split up. There is one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:23 PM
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We are saying marriage. If you are talking about commitement then we have nothing to argue about. Marriage is a contract, an insurance policy, a shackle on the man's wrist, a gun at his head. I don't mind LTR's. Marriage is the thing I have a qualm with. Successful marriages are also the type of relationship which would succeed regardless of marriage. So the Marriage itself isn't really the true factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:22 PM
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Financial reasons is one determining factor. The other is when one spouse goes to prison the divorce rate is near 100 percent. How does that factor into your beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:19 PM
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I don't have a good reason to believe it does exist giving the evidence. When I see that old man and wife holding hands it just means that their relationship hasn't been tested in a way to challenge their love sufficiently. Again, if one of them went to prison, that relationship would have been over like 99 percent of the time if not 100 percent of the time. When I see successful marriages it simply means that it hasn't been tested sufficiently. the men held frame well enough. Are some marriages…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:17 PM
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I don't think "successful marriage" prove that marriage is generally manageable any more than I believe that people who "beat the casino" proves that gambling can be manable for most. Are their exceptions, sure. But there is a reason for the saying " the house always wins," even though some manage to beat the odds. Can you point to a marriage that is successful which wouldn't have been successful without marriage? The only reason the relationship was successful was marriage? If you can't then it…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:13 PM
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If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:11 PM
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So you are assuming that when a woman says "financial" reasons there is a deeper meaning that is completely unrelated to finance? Or are you arguing that "financial reasons" is a legitamate reasons to leave someone you claim to love? Going off of the definition of love that I've said I belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:10 PM
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We'll disagree on marriage being manageable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:09 PM
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What is the difference functionally between the imitation and the real thing if I know that the only reason each are with me is because of superficial critieria? One is hypergamy, the other is money. What's the difference? A fake rolex and real rolex? Ok then. What if you got the same exact recognition wearing the fake rolex because it was so well made that no one could tell it was fake, and then when you sold it it sold for the exact same price as a real rolex. In that case what would be the di…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:08 PM
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It's not just being alone. It's getting your heart broken, it's cryptically depression, it's losing half your stuff or custody of your children, or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:59 PM
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Yet there is a financial situation that you could be in that would make you leave your spouse?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:58 PM
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It isn't, clarify.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:58 PM
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Love is about being with someone who you trust to not abuse you. Love is about being with someone who will not neglect you. Love is not about being with someone who will always make the amount of money and financial decisions you approve of. I have no in any way moved the goal post. So you would say that a mother that beats her child therefore does not love that child, no matter her reason for doing so? We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:57 PM
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No. You've cluttered this whole thread by saying people are making "logical leaps" but this is all you are doing too This is disingenuous. I've said this to exactly one person under very specific criteria. No one in this thread EVER said that those that stay married must be experiencing unconditional love. Every time you state that you are being disingenuous You are arguing with yourself at this point. If you want to continue to argue with the straw man you have built do it by yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:56 PM
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If a woman beats her child with a switch as a form of discipline, which most would agree is abuse, would you then say that that women doesn't love her child?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:51 PM
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What are the majority doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:50 PM
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In a world where it's valid to leave because of money, then love is about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:50 PM
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What's does it matter if they are acting if 1. The actions they exhibit are the same. And 2. if both and escort and a girlfriend would leave for the exact same reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:49 PM
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You are operating on a definition that is cooberated by no one. You minds well be arguing with yourself at this point. I'm using the definition of love we were taught. Abuse and neglect are condition from our childhood as valid reasons to fall out of love. That's the Disney and romcom definition of love. I don't know which one you are using but it';s not the one we were taught.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:49 PM
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Mhm.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:47 PM
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A very easily google'd meta study. I can't find it right now because I'm at work. But a quick google search will find it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:47 PM
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So when near 100% of people divorce their spouse when that spouse goes to prison, that says nothing to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:46 PM
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That's crap. Those women have children because they want to have children. You telling me that a women brings a child to full term and then jsust resents that child bbecause they never wanted to have a dchild? No. The woman has a child because she wants to have a child which is why she shows damn near unconditional love for that child EVEN IF the husband leaves or the husband dies. She doesn't become a mother for the father. She does it because she wants to. This isn't slave times. She choose to…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:43 PM
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Are you arguing that doing something that is harmful to the person you love proves that person does not love? So a black women who beats her children with a switch doesn't love her children because who she is doing is abusive and hurtful to her children?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:41 PM
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I wouldn't say you were in love with her then. I'm sure you liked her a lot. But that's not love.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:40 PM
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You can be with a lot of women if you have no MONEY, but you’ll still pay for it with time and effort. But as you get better, it takes far, FAR less time and effort than it does when you first start. This is true for escorts as well. If you save your money from having a girlfriend or wife and instead focus on the thing that gets you escorts, i.e., money, the less energy and time you have to put into affording an escort. Hell eventually you could afford a permant escort because you have so much m…
/r/askTRP14/10/18 07:38 PM
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What's the difference between love and affection? Or "love and like?" If I exchanged the word love in your sentence for like, functionally what would change ?
/r/askTRP14/10/18 07:37 PM
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Yes. In if it were just as likely for planes to fall out of the sky as it is for women to "fall out of love," very few people would fly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:36 PM
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When talking in terms of love It makes love less profound. Especially since an escort can exhibit the same behaviors as those who claim to be in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:35 PM
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Anyone CAN do it. Doesn't mean everyone will.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:34 PM
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It's still acting on their basic desires. And many would have kids despite the guy, as many do right now. No women has a kid just for the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:34 PM
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If love existed then the reason that most women left their men would be for "abuse or neglect." That's what would prove me wrong. Or prove that leaving because your husband doesn't make as much money as you want him to make constitute a reason supported by the concept of love we were taught growing up. It sounds like to me that redpillers have redefined the word love to be completely unrecognizable to account for the fact that people are greedy, selfish, and essentially prostitutes. My point is …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:33 PM
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Potentially, yes. Though most women leave for "financial reasons" not because of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:30 PM
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You believe that women can love unconditionally? Because that is love as I defined it and the love we were taught existed as we grew up, in all the romcoms, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:29 PM
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The overwhelming majority of marriages fail due to lack of attraction and no other reason. This is simply false. It's stated "financial reasons."
/r/askTRP14/10/18 07:28 PM
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This adds nothing to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:28 PM
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I disagree. That's like saying that two business partners share the exact same responsibility. Both partners may contribute to the success of the company but not necessarily in the same way. If I live a frugal life then marry a woman who wants a less frugal live but I'm not willing to get a better job or work harder to live outside the means I'm comfortable with, it's shallow of her to leave me for that reason because LOVE ISN'T ABOUT MONEY. Love transcends money. If you think love is about mone…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:28 PM
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It's because the reason women leave isn't abuse or neglect. If the statistics bor out the fact that women leave their men mostly because of abuse or neglect than I'd be more inclined to believe that women were capable of love. But that's not the case. Most women who stay in relationships are Christian women who go to church regularly. They stay because of the social stigma against divorce in their community.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:25 PM
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I'm simply following the data. Women overwhelmingly initate divorce and when they do it's for financial reasons. Men generally don't do this. This is compelling in and of itself. The definition of love that we've grown up to believe suggest that the reason women leave is not a "proper reason" for leaving. Whicih is why I have come to the conclusion that women don't love.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:23 PM
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Science works by believing the most probable outcome. Based on the data we have I have no reason to believe that every man who stays with a woman is doing so "not" out of love. The statistics simply don't bare that out. The statistics do bare out the idea that women are overwhelmingly likely to leave their men for financial reasons. Which makes the idea that women can't love more compelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:21 PM
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Oh sorry~
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:18 PM
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I don't argue that there exists no time where a couple hasn't gone through trails and come out atop. I'm arguing that under the right cirmcstance every couple falls out of love. Do you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:15 PM
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I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:12 PM
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So they don't provide emotional support? So women care for vegetables for 10, 20, 30 years straight while never cheating?
/r/askTRP14/10/18 07:12 PM
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I wouldn't be in the mood for awesome sex all the time either. Sex is work. I wouldn't say that makes his libido low. Try offering to have sex with him without him having to do anything. Ride him while he is watching tv. Get back to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:11 PM
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Be specific. Lets say a man work 80 hours a week and when he gets home he is too exghusted to engage with his wife. Emotional neglect?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:08 PM
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I'm making a claim based on the evidence provided. It could be wrong but I have no reason to believe it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:05 PM
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And what is that view that you believe I've bought into that you disagree with ?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:04 PM
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Define severe emotional neglect?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:58 PM
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I agree. Yet you have done nothing to show that the way I'm using labels is incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:57 PM
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I just proved objectively that true love doesn't exist because there is a condition that can be met that would make everyone leave their spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:56 PM
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Because men and women love differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:56 PM
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Yet anyone can still do it. Doesn't make it a virtue. The asshole piece of shit woman beater can work just as hard as the guy who'd make a great husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:55 PM
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That's what love looks like. It doesn't mean that all those who stay together unconditionally are in love. You see that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:55 PM
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You're an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:54 PM
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What's wrong with being shallow?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:54 PM
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Eh. If he works very long hours than that could be the reason he has low libido. When I'm tired I don't want to do much of anything. Especially sex because it's a lot of work and typically blow jobs from a spouse come with obligation. So again, you offer him blowjobs with garenteed no obligation in return and despite him being tired he denies you all the same? I call bullshit. You just proved my point. Good sex with a woman is a lot of work. It's an ordeal. He is just tired, he doesn't have a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:53 PM
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Sacrifices? Women have a natural urge to have chdlidren. She isn't doing it FOR her husband. She is doing it to fulfill her biological urge. That's not a sign of love more than it is her desire to be a mother. If I start spinning plates again we'll see. Love is an illusion but again, the goal of trp is to master the game and put all the odds in our favor. When I have enough money and inclination I probably won't need to lie to get what I want. Still building right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:51 PM
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How does me definiting love in any way state that people who stay together must therefore be in love. Connect the dots.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:49 PM
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It can be. Parents abuse their children. Doesn't mean the parent doesn't love them. Also depends on what is abuse. A black mother in the 80's may beat her children with a switch out of love because that's the way she's been taught to discipline. Does she not love her children even though pretty much everyone today would call that abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:48 PM
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Those husbands still provide something.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 06:47 PM
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I read the actual words they use and reply based on the meaning of the words they use. If you mean something else then the words you use then say those words then we can have a conversation based on those other words.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:47 PM
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Literally everyone accept you says that love is conditional. Read the thread. You believe that love is unconditional? What do you think about the statistics that shows that spouses divorce each other near 100% of the time when one spouse goes to prison. How can love be unconditional if that is the reality of our world? Would they do the work if they didn't get paid for it? No. Then it's not love if they would only do it under that condition. That's what unconditional means.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:46 PM
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Love sometimes hurts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:38 PM
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This does not follow from anything I said. This is a leap of logic. Some people stay because of the social pressure and specifically not out of love. Staying does not imply love. I've expressed that belief already and nothing I've said contridcits that belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:38 PM
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Refuses to leave? That's hiarlious. But that's the girlfriend experience. You get here for an hour. She can play video games, cook for you, give you blowjobs. What you describe is also a live in maid. So a live in maid who is only there because you pay them is just as intimate as a wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:37 PM
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Getting stressed out because your partner could contribute more or help de-escalate life stresses and chooses not to is a completely different animal. This is garbage. Everyone call always do more. It's about what people are willing to do. Being stressed that your spoue didn't work that extra 10 hours isn't a legit reason to be stressed at them and if it is than that's just profe that you don't actually love them. And is further proof that women don't love. If you have a side job and have reduce…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:36 PM
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Comfort and compansionship are also provided by escorts so less cross that off the list Trust and support. According to redpill theory this is also not the case. If a man doesn't "hold frame" he puts himself at severe risk of turning off his mate. Valnerbility whether that be emotional, physical, spiritual, or financial is not attractive to women. The best relationship are those where the men doesn't have to rely on his spouse for support. According to what people are saying her, love only persi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:33 PM
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This is a ridiculous statement. Categories help. Me going out and "making more friends" isn't going to change reality. Labels are useful. If I label an investment as "high risk" it helps inform my behavior and how I approach that investment. It doesn't mean I can't invest but I'll have "safety nets." You've made no argument what so ever and have added nothing to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:29 PM
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Marriage is off the table but I think I'll spin plates while also having a maid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:26 PM
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What differentiates romantic love, which is transactional, from the affection of an escort who gives you the "girlfriend experience?"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:25 PM
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Are you claiming against the beliefs of most everyone here that love isn't a transaction? That would mean that love isn't conditional. Do you believe that love is unconditional?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:24 PM
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Is it really real if the behavior only continues as long as you meet the proper transactional requirements? What if the escort, being a good escorts, legit likes doing those things for you BECAUSE you have enough money to pay? What's the difference between and act and the real behavior if the action and consequence are the same? Is your wife going to garenteed cook a better breakfast? Give a better blowjob? Hug you better? What is the tangible difference in how you're a treated when both would l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:22 PM
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What I'm trying to do is figure out why I should work and put the effort in to date women when I can just buy a escort or a hired maid to give me the exact same thing with less effort and drama.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 06:20 PM
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What reasons are you being turned down and why? So you offer the guy a blowjob and he's just like "nah." Explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:19 PM
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Define intimacy.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 06:16 PM
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What is the difference? Can you put it in words? Can you describe the tangible difference between transactional love and affection and the affection that a escort shows you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:14 PM
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But the statistics are. And the statistics say that women leave over money. Which is extremely shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:14 PM
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I never claimed that people don't stay in relationships where there is no love. When did I say that? What are you disagreeing with? The statistics don't bare out the scenario you present. Most women initiate divorce because of money. Not because "the husband who I give blowjobs to every day, cook for, and who's house I clean, stopped enjoying me being a good wife." Most likely she stopped caring about being a good spouse and started neglecting him because she got complacent. The statistics simpl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:12 PM
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I don't need to do mental gymnastics. I'm asking a legit question. If love and intimacy are transaction, what differentiations it from an escort service with the "girlfriend" experience? Or a live-in maid/cook who you bang on the side? Calling my question or logic "mental gymnastics" without actually providing an answer is intellectually dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:09 PM
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So me going outside is going to make it so people don't cheat? What exactly are you saying? Should I go gamble at the casino because managing risk is dumb if I'm being so aware of the risk? What are you saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:03 PM
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Escorts provide the "girlfriend" experience. So are you suggesting that there is no tangible difference between the affection of someone who "loves" you and and escort outside of what you "feel" about the things they do for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:02 PM
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No I do not. I simply state that divorce is generally a good indivator of whether or not the individuals love. You can't love someone you divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:56 PM
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Escorts do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:55 PM
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Loneliness is a universal feeling regardless of condition. It has no barring on the conversation and is not in and of itself a valid reason to leave. We all feel lonely at some times. I'm talking about neglect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:55 PM
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This makes no sense.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 05:53 PM
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In my definition I mentioned serious abuse or neglect as valid reasons to leave your spouse given what we were taught about love as we grew up. Men satisfy this definition. Therefore men love.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:53 PM
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Yes, yes I do. Because of the REASONS they do it. I believe that in most cases if a man is cheating it's because his wife refuses to be sexually available to him. If a woman is cheating it's not because his husband is sexually unavailable most of the time. It's most likely because he is no longer attractive to her. Men and women love differently. Case and point. My own mother and stepdad are getting a divorce. She cheats on him and he knows it. Then comes back to the house, lives in his house, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:51 PM
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Thanks for clarifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:48 PM
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Getting stressed out AT YOUR PARTNER is shallow. You can't pay your bills? Find a solution. Lower your life style, get a side job. But leaving you spouse who you claims to want to love through thick and thin because of something so fixable is absolute superficial garbage. Spending money that isn't hers is a crime. That's abuse. I've already established that based on the definition of love that we grew up with leaving for abusive reasons still constitutes love.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:47 PM
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I disagree that the other definition is valid. If there is a definition of virtue that could classify rape as virtuous, than I simply disagree with that definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:45 PM
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I stopped reading after the first sentence. I have no interest in arguing with ragefilled children.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 05:45 PM
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I know this.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 05:44 PM
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I believe than men can feel love barring extreme circumstances like extreme neglect or abuse because it's been demonstrated multiple times through out history. Men die for women. Cheating is abuse. Refussing to fulfill your man's sexual desires by turning the bedroom into a dead bedroom is neglect. I know very few men who divorced their wifes for reasons outside of this. If we look at why men leaves their long term relationships I garentee that most of the time it's because of extreme abuse or n…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:44 PM
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If they loved their spouse then they'd seek it from their spouse. I never heard of a woman saying "I try to give my husband blowjobs every day but he just doesn't want it. So I'm lonely."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:41 PM
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I do want a family though. I plan to adopt. That takes money.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:31 PM
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We disagree on what a virtue is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:30 PM
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What is love?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:29 PM
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So you can't actually quantify what makes fucking an escort different than a LTR. Just...trust you? What about a live in maid you fuck on the side who likes that you provide her comfort and you both get along? I'm going to ignore the assumption you made about my character because they don't help in any way and are non sequitors.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 05:29 PM
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Stress is a choice. If you not getting that extra pair of shoes causes you "stress" which is a reason you leave your spouse then I would say that's pretty shallow. Love isn't "all long as there is no stress."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:27 PM
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I disagree with the "useful" part. By the definition being a sociopath can be a virtue because it can be useful under certain circumstances. Hell, rape can be "useful." I'm sticking with "good." AS the definition for virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:26 PM
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Since love and intimacy are transactional what differentiates the affection for a spouse from the affection of an escort?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:23 PM
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If intimacy and love are transactional than what differentiates that from what an escort offers?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:16 PM
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I didn't make up my mind. I was hoping to be proven wrong. But now that I've been proven right, I've just recently made up my mind. I was just looking for a different perspective. It's bitter sweet to be proven right but it just narrows my focus and solidifies my goals/purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:14 PM
1

Yet none of these are virtues. They are simply goals that anyone can have. Anyone can work hard and it doesn't do anything to differentiate good people from bad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:13 PM
2

I fail to see how this differs from an escort service?
/r/askTRP14/10/18 05:12 PM
2

Now that my belief is solidified it just means that I'm not going to put in any effort into getting intimacy from women when I can just get the same thing from an escort with next to no drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:11 PM
6

Romantic love doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:10 PM
3

If she comes home to beta hubby and fucks his brains out and gives him head then honestly I'd say she still loves him. Maybe she just wants variety. But most women who cheat aren't fucking their husbands because they don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:01 PM
2

Just for different perspectives. I wanted to be wrong. Now that I know I'm right I'm just going to focus on my career and investments so I can get enough money to afford escorts and a house maid.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 05:00 PM
2

No, I'm going to buy escorts and spin plates.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:59 PM
2

Yet if we are to argue that a woman's affection is inherently transactional than that makes all sex with women no more than prostitution. And if I'm to accept this, then it's no different from the intimacy I form with an escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:58 PM
1

You forget, however, that in the Disney movies there is often a form of heroism present where the prince 'wins' the princess by performing some grand feat, like slaying a dragon or whatever. A lot of these stories involve the metaphor of the 'prince' getting the 'princess' once he stops being a weak pushover and faces his personal challenge head-on. When you say the old you is the one that should have been valued because you would have supported and loved a woman unconditionally, can't you see t…
/r/askTRP14/10/18 04:56 PM
2

I think I'm just going to buy escorts. Lot less effort and less drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:47 PM
2

How am I hurting myself?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:47 PM
2

"Not do shit?" Maybe not do shit that YOU value. I've never "not done shit" in my life. Everything I've done in my life has had meaning and purpose whether or not you can see it.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 04:46 PM
2

I don't like that "having money" is seen as a virtue. I simply disagree with that. Yet that's precisely the reason why most women who leave their spouses leaves. The lack of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:45 PM
2

Saying that men can love women and still cheat is not saying that the behavior is ok. Those are two very different statements and I fail to see how you made that leap in logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:44 PM
0

You lost me. I fail to see how this substitutes for intimacy.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 04:43 PM
1

I'm just going to get an escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:42 PM
1

That's what unconditional means.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:40 PM
1

I still wouldn't call it anger or rage. Disappointment is a type of "being upset." I've never heard redpill rage referred to as anything but anger.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 04:35 PM
2

When did I say men cheating was ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:34 PM
1

That's what I'm doing now it just seems like it's not worth the effort when I know how finicy their attachment is. Makes me just want to buy escorts instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:34 PM
2

I think your problem is that you are still inherently disillusioned by the fact that love and affection are transactional in nature, that they are not ethereal, mystical concepts like the Disney movies would suggest. The truth is that intimacy with women is very well possible once you accept reality for what it is and cease the anger towards their nature and your own, I would even argue that it breeds a form of intimacy which is far stronger than any other, because its one grounded in realistic …
/r/askTRP14/10/18 04:28 PM
1

What do you mean "love is endurance?" Are you claiming that love is unconditional and eternal?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:22 PM
3

I'm thinking about going to live someplace near Mexico and hire a live in house nanny/maid to service me on the side.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 04:21 PM
2

All this has no barring on where or not a man can love and cheat at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:19 PM
3

Then again, where do we disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:18 PM
3

I never claimed that women should be happy with their husbands having an affair. Only that having meaningless sex with a young body is very different from coming home to snuggle with the person who is you can be truly intimate with but where the passion is no longer as great as it once were.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:18 PM
4

NAWALT's don't exist lol.
/r/MGTOW214/10/18 04:16 PM
1

I'm not mad at anyone.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 04:15 PM
2

There is a different in being a slob and not working all the time to be the absolute best version of yourself. Sometimes you just want to relax. Especially if you've earned it.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 04:15 PM
3

So you believe that women are capable of loving unconditionally and eternally? If not, then again, what do you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:11 PM
-1

Sounds like too much drama waiting to happen. Unless she agreed that I get to fuck on the side and she doesn't.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 04:10 PM
3

I don't think a woman can cheat and love a man at the same time. I think that women have different reasons for cheating because men and women love differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:10 PM
6

How have I taken manospherian words to the extreme if you agree with the conclusion I just made? What exactly do you think I'm taking to the extreme?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:01 PM
2

That's not love. Please use another word. What you speak of has no relationship to the love we've grown up with. What's wrong with using another more accurate word to describe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:00 PM
3

No interest in that. I'm thinking about buying a live in house maid/cook who can service me on the side. I hear they are pretty cheap near Mexico.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 03:59 PM
1

I would be perfectly happy with a fat chick who was otherwise everything I wanted. Her being the type of person I'd want would mean that she work on being healthier. I'm not really angry. I'm just bummed out. I don't feel anger at women, more like...disappointment. I fail to see how that is different from a prostitute. The prostitute wants you for the money you have "right now." And a prostitute that you build a good relationship with can give you a freebee with expect to pay later. IF a prostit…
/r/askTRP14/10/18 03:58 PM
5

It's not really about fear, it's about facing reality. A woman falling out of a love is something that is more likely to happen than not. I'm looking for advice on how to approach the situation with the new found reality that a women's love is pretty much as superficial as an escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 03:55 PM
2

I'm not really looking for a relationship. Relationships imply balance. I want a position where I hold all the power. More like an employee/employer relationship. I'm thinking about spinning plates though. Or going after escort services. I wouldn't know where to begin when it comes to vetting escort services in America, where I live.
/r/MGTOW214/10/18 03:52 PM
1

I know that. So knowing that I'm asking how others deal with the fleeting nature of what we call "love" which is just another word for conditional, fleeting, temporary attraction.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 03:48 PM
2

I'm actually under the belief that men can love their women and have an affair at the same time. Do you believe differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 03:47 PM
3

Isn't that like a escort that comes back after not having all the money because she believes you'll get the money later? Escorts and customers develop relationships. Some escorts may continue escorting for a man who can't pay right away because he knows he is good for it and she doesn't want to permanently burn a bridge.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 03:46 PM
0

Are you suggesting that men and women love in the exact same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 03:44 PM
2

That's garbage. Your definition of love is no different from "infatuation." Your definition of love has no explanatory power because it fails to differentiate love from 'sexual attraction."
/r/askTRP14/10/18 03:39 PM
2

Yes. It's what I've come to realize. Though I'm sure you understand that this is not what we were taught as children. How do you reconcile this? How DID you reconcile this? What has your relationship with women been like since this realization?
/r/askTRP14/10/18 03:33 PM
2

Ok this is what I'm coming to terms with so I'm trying to plan my life based on this. I'd like to at least replicate it. Intimacy is a basic human need I feel. Maybe I should just learn to value the intimacy of a prostitute. Even just having someone to hold at night means a lot. Having someone to touch. For example, I plan to eventually hire a live-in maid who I can "service" me on the side. Given that true intimacy doesn't exist can I learn to simply value the "intimacy" of prositutes? I think …
/r/askTRP14/10/18 03:32 PM
3

Actually you're right. My name is gay. It refers to the ancient greek mythology where BigDick Zeus "steals" a beautiful boy away from earth and takes him up to Mt. Olympus to be made Zeus' "eternal winebearer." If you know what I mean. So yea, super gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 03:26 PM
11

That's not love. Love isn't just "as long as your the best option I can see. As long as it's easy. Only as long as it's good." Love is "through thick and thin." What you are describing is the mindset of a prostitute. That's not love.
/r/askTRP14/10/18 03:23 PM
3

LOL, yea shame on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 03:22 PM
1

People often vote against their own best interests on both sides. The government in general doesn't care about the interest of the people.
/r/MGTOW12/10/18 02:16 PM
5

I got her suspended. That's something.
/r/MGTOW11/10/18 03:14 PM
7

Yes. You have no idea how much I've enjoyed watching their success. Especially Brett. I'm hoping Ford sees some jail time. That would be the best story.
/r/MGTOW11/10/18 03:14 PM
4

I like him. Listened to a few of his videos. There really aren't any MGTOW channels I don't like. What do you disagree with him on?
/r/MGTOW211/10/18 01:13 PM
1

What do you mean by the positive male role model thing?
/r/MGTOW11/10/18 11:59 AM
1

Eh, brushing it off as "people just being racism and asshole filed with hate" kind of dilutes and oversimplifies the problem. Racism as we know in history is always forced, unnatural and part of an agenda. Racism is manufactured to scapegoat a people so the empowered group doesn't have to deal with their own problems. It's easier to blame someone else for your problems than it is to face them yourself. Also there is the matter of empathy. You don't have to care about the problems of other people…
/r/MGTOW10/10/18 09:31 PM
6

The world population will be fine. In fact it's going to continue growing. Regardless of societal conditions poor dumb people are always going to breed. In fact the poorer and dumber they are the more they breed. Where we are headed is an idiocrosy. Successful men will stop breeding, which will lead to higher crime rates, a lower educated populace, higher rates of child abuse because single mothers are the queens of child abuse. And when sexbots come out THAT'S when the population will drop. But…
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/18 07:39 PM
2

How did you survive the divorce rape so much so that you are on vacation and she is slaving away? Did you not have to pay alimony or child support?
/r/MGTOW10/10/18 04:49 PM
2

One of my favorite movies of all time.
/r/MGTOW10/10/18 04:18 PM
5

You hit the nail on the head. White men who aren't uber chad or rich are starting to feel what it's like to be black. The courts and the law hate you. Society doesn't give a shit about you and actively demonizes you. Soon people are going to start quoting statistics against white men equivalent to the statistic about black on black violence being a reason to justify things like overpolicing. In a way feminists are already doing that. It's ok to ruin a white man's life with an accusation because …
/r/MGTOW10/10/18 04:17 PM
6

Yeah yeah. Preach. I've never dated a black women despite really wanting to during my blue pill days. I'm glad they turned me down. Ended up dating a fat white single mother. Same bullshit. Dumped her as soon as she forgot her place.
/r/MGTOW10/10/18 04:14 PM
5

MGTOW has really brought men of all races together. I would never say I have ever been racist. Racism is about hate and I don't hate any group of people. I've come to realize just how much society shits on white men. I still think black men have it worse but the thing is white men are getting a taste of what it feels like to live as a black man. It's actually bringing us closer together now. MGTOW unites the races, confirmed.
/r/MGTOW10/10/18 04:12 PM
0

It was just a question. I don't really see your point. We all know hypergamy exists. You can make jokes around it. Not every post has to be proving something we all know exists already.
/r/MGTOW209/10/18 05:19 PM
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Are you denying the existence of Hypergamy?
/r/MGTOW209/10/18 01:48 PM
6

Once a hoe always a hoe. If after being a hoe she doesn't want to be a hoe for the man she is with then that simply means she isn't sexually attracted to him
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/10/18 01:22 AM
1

I think spreading the knowledge about hypergamy is a very crucial step in any man's mgtow journey. They may be further down the path than you but they are still on the same path. That knowledge is very useful, especially if it keeps men from going back to the plantation. Honestly on my mgtow journey I've had plenty of opportunities to go back to the plantation. Reminding myself of hypergamy and the fact that women cannot love is essential for keeping me on the correct path. Mgtow doesn't just co…
/r/MGTOW208/10/18 01:11 AM
1

Are you saying women aren't whores if one of the main criteria they use to pick a mate is current and future income?
/r/MGTOW207/10/18 01:25 PM
3

No it doesn't matter to me. there are enough people in the world and plenty of abandoned children who need fathers.
/r/MGTOW207/10/18 01:22 PM
0

Of course you can have a family and gyow. You don't need women. I'll be adopting as a single father. Now if you are talking about marrying a woman and still considering yourself mgtow then you are simply mistaken. How mgtow separates from redpill men is the lack of cohabitation and marriage towomen. You can no more be a mgtow that cohabitats than you can be a vegan that eats meats.
/r/MGTOW207/10/18 01:20 PM
4

No one here is arguing against hard work. That's a pretty bad strawman. We are asking whether the juice is worth the squeeeze. Personally I do want a family but I'll be mgtow while doing it.I'm going to adopt as a single father and potentially hire a live at home nanny as an employee. No marriage reqhired. You can't be mgtow and collaborate or get married. Just like you can't be a vegan that eats meat. But you can still have a family.
/r/MGTOW207/10/18 01:15 PM
3

Eh, I didn't get down votes when I said that. The problem with r/mgtow is mostly the mods. The actual people there are cool.
/r/MGTOW207/10/18 01:08 PM
3

Just adopt as a single father
/r/MGTOW207/10/18 01:06 PM
1

Exactly
/r/MGTOW206/10/18 11:26 PM
2

Who are you to say what is a healthy balance of anger for someone else? But more importantly, who are you to call another man weak for having a balance of anger you disagree with? If you believe in GOD then you know how lowly your opinion is. What does god say about anger? Who are you to judge outside of God's judgement? Wrath is a sin yet it doesn't specify how much. Who are you to make that call and be so resolute as to feel justify in actively calling others weak? Seems pretty arrogant to me.…
/r/MGTOW202/10/18 07:56 PM
2

Exactimundo.
/r/MGTOW202/10/18 05:38 PM
4

Every invidividual's voice has value. In a gun community I'm sure a lot of the posts will be related to bullets. If you see one person posting the exact same thing then I'd call it out. But you should expect a certain level of redundancy because many are here precisely because they share the same experience. That's the whole appeal of a community to me. Our shared experience. To me everyone's indidvual experience matters, even if 100 people have experienced that same thing. But hey, It's not my …
/r/MGTOW202/10/18 05:20 PM
1

Anger is a hard emotion to master. Even when you master it, is it truly mastered? There is a host of situations which I think warrant a large amount of anger. If you get falsely accused and get sentenced to jail I think that warrents a lot of anger. Especially if that anger helps you not repeat the same mistake. If your wife divorce rapes you and takes half your income and your kids I think that warrents almost perpetual anger, at least on some level. How long is it alright for a man to be angry…
/r/MGTOW202/10/18 05:14 PM
3

I seriously doubt any human being is angry at all times. They have to sleep. When they are taking a shit too? Eating breakfast? All the time? Not even the hulk can be angry all the time. Maybe some people are just going through a phase. I try to be cautious when throwing down the idea of what makes a "weak and strong" man. That sounds like feminist shaming language to me. Almost as bullshit as the concept of a "real man." Hypergamy is not just about income. It's also about status. Status is more…
/r/MGTOW202/10/18 04:04 PM
1

I'll say that I have one friend who I know I cannot trust. He is unreliable. He used to be a room mate with another friend I have and bailed on paying a months rent to move out of the country instead. If I met him today we wouldn't be friends but we are friends today because we get along well enough. I have much lower tolerance than I used to. Plus I don't go out of my way to accomidate people anymore. If I spend time with you there has to be a really legit reason. Like we are doing the exact sa…
/r/MGTOW202/10/18 02:01 PM
1

Just...good luck man.
/r/MGTOW201/10/18 07:46 PM
2

You may want to rethink "high status." What is the value of "high status" when "high status" simply means "has the means to be the target of female hypergamy?" When I hear someone talk about high status like Brad pitt or George Clooney, it's simply because they are the target of predators. They are looked at as juicy meat by hungry wolves. Case and point, Justin Beiber. Justin Bieber at 14 was more popular than probably any man in history in terms of women wanting to fuck him. Regardless of who …
/r/MGTOW201/10/18 07:26 PM
2

Sex with a woman is as much as an achievement as getting a prostitute to hop in your car because you are waving money. Instead of waiving money you would be waiving specific shallow "traits." Confidence, abs, status symbols, charisma. Again, all shallow things that anyone can do. But if you simply MUST base your happiness on that then good news for you. It's super easy. It's just hard work if you aren't born a chad. But you are a man. Our entire life is hard work. I wish I could be happy by just…
/r/MGTOW201/10/18 06:48 PM
3

How we relate to other people emotionally is a very important part of our lives and you don't get closer to another person than through the physical / emotional intimacy of sex assuming that the other person desires you and is not just a hooker or something. This is how I see it as a virgin anyway. I'm going to be as blunt as possible with you because it doesn't sound like anyone has ever really been. All sex with women is prostitution. Full stop. What is prostitution? It's a transaction. Exchan…
/r/MGTOW201/10/18 06:15 PM
1

I don't really have that problem. No one is adamant about trying to be in my life and I'm not adamant about seeking out others. What are you doing where you are running into people who you are scouting to be a large part of your life? Making new friends somewhere? I'm such an introvert I don't even think about those things. I just put on my "face" and go to work then go home and chill. Give more context.
/r/MGTOW201/10/18 05:58 PM
5

The mods of that sub got infiltrated by SJW's a long time ago who just want the sub to be banned. So they provide a haven for incels and womenbashing and women hatred. Within a month they'll probably be quarantined if not banned out right, just like the infiltrating mod wants. Don't worry about it. This sub will probably be banned as well but there are other places for men to gather and speak about topics relevant to men. Enjoy the stay and don't worry so much.
/r/MGTOW201/10/18 05:55 PM
3

First, I don't know what MG/STOW stands for. Also the incel probable is very interesting. They want intimacy but a woman's intimacy is extremely shallow. If you want to get women you can, you just have to bust your ass and change into a completely different version of yourself. Depending on your biology you may be limited realistically in the women you can get, but you can get some with enough charisma, confidence, and money. Notice how none of these traits has anything to do with how good of a …
/r/MGTOW201/10/18 05:52 PM
1

I'm purely discussing the movie where they have clear limits.
/r/MGTOW01/10/18 11:32 AM
1

The fact that women can't love is the single biggest fact that pushed me to be MGTOW. It's the biggest and hardest redpill to swallow for me. It doesn't make me hate them. It makes me extremely disapointed and has made me rethink everything.
/r/MGTOW230/09/18 11:21 PM
1

I've thought about doing this but I'm not sure how realistic it is. It takes time, commitment and most importantly, money. I'm going to be adopting as a single father. That's my life's goal. So I know I'm going to at least met that requirement. Outside of that I don't really expect to find a woman to agree to all the conditions I'd absolutely require of her. The only way I'd find a woman like that is either if she is a single mother, which rules her out all together for obvious reasons, or other…
/r/MGTOW230/09/18 10:38 PM
1

Family court still heavily in her favor. She can steal your children with the help of armed men. Of anything a woman has the power to do to you, this is the most egregious. Income doesn't matter. What you are trying to describe is the least awful tasting pile of shit. It's still shit. I've thought about this a lot because I do want a family so I'll give you the REAL way to have a relationship and family with a woman. Adopt. Under no circumstances should you ever have her child for any reason. If…
/r/MGTOW230/09/18 09:13 PM
1

For what purpose? Sex? Don't be a whale, don't have STD's. For relationships? Doesn't matter what she looks like. The game is rigged. Avoid at all costs.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 08:52 PM
1

I'm sure I will. I'm a human male and it is going to be actively my choice to have a child. In fact it'll probably be a long and hard fought journey just to get the child. I'm 100% positive it will be the most fulfilling thing I've ever done or ever will do. Live free and peaceful brother.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 08:16 PM
1

What does "fucking their shit up" mean?
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 08:06 PM
1

Either you murder 10 children or 20 children somewhere else die. Yes, thanks for answering. I understand your moral perspective now. From my perspective that's evil, which is why I classify humanity as evil.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 07:19 PM
1

Ah so if you personally had to murder 10 children with your bare hands so that 20 other children would live that would not be an evil act to you because it's necessary? Right?
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 06:39 PM
1

Interesting. What is the closest escort service in Michigan? Asking for a friend.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 06:38 PM
1

Interesting. What is the closest escort service in Michigan? Asking for a friend.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 06:38 PM
2

Thanks
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 06:26 PM
1

I'm in America. Where are these legal escort agencies? Prostitution is illegal here for like 99% of the country. There are only like 2 places where it's legal.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 06:19 PM
1

Which is often those we care about.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 06:09 PM
1

That's the exact kind of mindset that justifies slavery, genocide, a whole host of war crimes. But again, it's why we as a species are evil. We justify immeasurable suffering and murder as long as it benefits those we care about. You don't agree because you have a different definition of evil. Under my definition which takes into account individual suffering, humanity can't be seen as anything but evil as a whole. You should watch Snowpiercer. It's a great movie.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 05:32 PM
1

It's pretty straight forward to me most of the time, if it's necessary, it's not evil. Yes, we have a very different definition of evil. To you so many autrocities would be not-evil if they were proven to be necessary for a certain outcome you approve of. Also what constitutes necessity? Necessary for what?
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 05:21 PM
2

Submarine A is crashed, Rescue submarine B connected the hatch, 3 survivors are attempting to go through the hatch, A is just falling off a cliff; you can save 2 and leave the third, or not disconnect the hatch, and you all die. There is no good in killing innocents, even if it saves twice the amount of innocents. It's a necessary evil, but still evil. What we should be discussing is what is less evil. You also could have just said the "trolly problem." No, we don't require "suffering" of other …
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 04:42 PM
4

Gotta watch this after work.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 03:48 PM
3

You're asking a really simple question; if it was in fact the only solution, let alone a solution; then no, of course he wouldn't be evil. This is the crux of it then. The only reason you perceive Thanos as evil is because you are not personally convinced that his solutation works/is necessary. What does that say about the concept of Hero/Villian or Good and Evil if the only thing that separates the good guy from the bad guy is the necessity of their actions? To me Thanos is evil even if what he…
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 03:42 PM
3

To me, with all I've learned being, honestly, obsessed with redpill knowledge, I no longer believe in love. Or more simply, I no longer believe that a woman can feel love. Love as we tradiotionally have been taught is unconditional and eternal. The Disney love. The man can turn into a frog and the wife would still be just as in love with him and just as loyal as she was at the height of their romance. Obviously this doesn't exist. What we call love today, if we were to define it in terms of what…
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 03:30 PM
1

If anything, this is the point that will destroy the metoo movement. It hurts real victims.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 03:00 PM
2

That was my introduction to the manosphere which lead me on my journey to MGTOW. In many ways it saved my life leading me here. It had it's uses.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 02:49 PM
1

Bars.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 02:48 PM
1

This is very interesting. Even I will readily admit that if the conditions were right I'd go back to the plantation. In a way I'm on the plantation, but just for me. I have to slave away at a 9 to 5 job because I'm too lazy to run my own business and don't have the self motivation to keep at something if I don't have someone metaphorically cracking a whip at my back. If I was GARENTEED a loyal, feminine, pretty, submissive wife who I know could not rape me in divorce court and could not take awa…
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 02:00 PM
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Yea it makes sense for a poor woman to have a ton of children if the state is supporting her. Even when you take out the state. Instead of doing back breaking labor and staying below the poverty line and having a horrible retirement. If she pumps out 4, 5, 8 kids, it increases her chance of at least one of those children "making it" and supporting her into retirement. If one dies or a few become poor it's ok. All she needs is one to succeed. It's an economic alternative that is pretty fool proof…
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 01:51 PM
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I'm going to upvote you because I love talking about this topic. Thanos is my favorite protagonist since I can remember. There was no reason to believe that the power of the stones had the power to create something out of nothing. Everything he did was matter manipulation essentially. The stones aren't all powerful. They are fragments from the initial creation of the universe. So basically, what he could maybe do is pull energy from other places and redistribute it to other places which currentl…
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 01:34 PM
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It wouldn't last that long. Very soon they'd be given global support. Essentially global child support. They wouldn't be principled enough to refuse help. Now if women went to another planet with the exact resources as earth but couldn't be supported by the outside then it would go to hell. But as long as men exist they'll help those women, even if they women don't expressly ask for it. Men are just that good/dumb.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 01:17 PM
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I hope this happens before we become responsible for AI. Black Mirror broke my faith in humanity. Especially the episode "White Christmas." That episode still haunts me to this day because I can see us as a species being that cruel.
/r/MGTOW230/09/18 12:42 PM
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The thing is that you can't swipe left on hypergamy because women generally seek a man of higher status. Pretty much all the statistics bear this out. A female laywer isn't going to seriously date or marry a male manager at Mcdonalds no matter how much "chemistry" they have. Couples where the women makes more than the man have significantly higher rates of divorce. The highest reason for couples getting divorce isn't abuse or neglect, what you'd expect if hypergamy didn't exist. It's exactly wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 03:21 PM
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Makes sense. I know I don't hate women, which is a prerequisite for misogyny, though I do hold many of the views of TRP. Like the fact that hypergamy exists, women don't feel true love (the disney fantasy where love is eternal and unflinching). Yet despite believing these facts many would call me misogynist for espousing bellies they disagree with. As if they can know how I "feel." Unless I actively state "I hate women" then you nor anyone else has no idea how I feel, or anyone else from TRP fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 02:03 PM
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Is feminism misandrist? There are individuals who are part of the feminism movement who outright state that all men should be killed. If you don't believe that feminism hates women then what criteria are you using to claim that TRP hates women that doesn't also apply to feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 01:18 PM
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I wonder if r/redpillwomen will be banned? Probably not. They are women after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 01:13 PM
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I would actually argue that TRP does put women first. The ultimate goal of TRP is to teach men to improve with the ultimate goal of sniffing panties. Like DL Hugley's son. If your ultimate goal is the acquisition of sex with women I'd say that you are putting them first because everything you do is about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 01:12 PM
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Interesting.
/r/MGTOW27/09/18 08:08 PM
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The comparison just isn't accurate. There is no female equivalent of an incel. It's like the movie Rattatoi where the food critic, Ego, says that the reason he is skinny and probably aneresic is because he "doesn't like food, he loves it. If he doesn't love it, he doesn't swallow." His reason for being skinny is VASTLY different from, say, a poverty-striken Ethiopian. It's so different that you can't even compare. There is no female incel. There are PLENTY of guys who would commit to literally a…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/09/18 04:47 PM
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Involentary single isn't even a good description. It's not close. Incels can't get ANY ATTENTION from ANYONE. The vast majority of them don't have a problem with having standards that are too high. The vast majority are simply ignored by every person of the female persuasion. More accurately would be "Beggers Being choosers." Or maybe "voluntarily single." Lets not compare women's plite to that of the Incel. It's not even in the same league.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/09/18 04:18 PM
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Hm...is that true? Any data on that. I really enjoy my sex drive. Masturbation is like a self massage. I wouldn't want to mess with that. Citation needed?
/r/MGTOW227/09/18 01:00 PM
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Those are usually unhappy relationships. If you are MGTOW you care about your happiness level. Which means you'd be putting in the effort to do the job to maintain your happiness. Since a woman can't really be happy long term alone, the best way is to be happy in a relationship. The happiest women I've known are good wives. They don't really make them anymore but they are the happiest by far of any woman.
/r/MGTOW26/09/18 07:13 PM
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I was looking for this comment. Glad to see it's the top one.
/r/MGTOW226/09/18 06:31 PM
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Second one but I'd change a few things. Lets assume the wife is doing her job, being a good wife and following the man's lead. If we assume there is no hostility between the gender and people are pretty much in harmony I don't think this is a bad assumption. If we do this, then our expensive would be far less. We'd live a lot more frugally. My wife wouldn't get that extra pair of new shoes or new dress. The kids wouldn't get all the best new stuff. They'd have what they needed. If my wife wanted…
/r/MGTOW226/09/18 06:24 PM
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You sound Asexual then. You can look at this as a positive. At least you learned that you can't even enjoy sex even if it's as easy as giving someone money directly for it. More power to you bro.
/r/MGTOW26/09/18 04:49 PM
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If an MGTOW man transformed into a woman heterosexual woman they'd have a high value man in less than a year. All their focus on self improvement would go towards learning how to cook, clean, shut up, be feminine, and suck good dick.
/r/MGTOW26/09/18 04:46 PM
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A perfect example of the 1000 cock stare is from the show "Black Mirror" on netlfix. The episode "hang the dj." The female protagonist sleeps with countless man and gets this dead look in her eyes from all the cock she has accepted even though she didn't actually have to sleep with any one of them to achieve her goal.
/r/MGTOW26/09/18 04:45 PM
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I have. Dated a woman who made three times as much as me. She still expected me to pay for her.
/r/MGTOW26/09/18 04:27 PM
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You said you don't care about stocks you don't invest in. One if one stock effects all other stocks? Do you believe you can live a safe life by simply not letting women in your life? You don't have to take an precautions? You are monk mode? What about those who have casual flings?
/r/MGTOW226/09/18 02:08 PM
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There is non in MGTOW that precludes a hate for women. That is made up. That's like saying "You aren't a real vegan if you don't hate mate eaters." The ONLY thing MGTOW requires is a lack of cohabitation and marriage to women. Outside of that a man can live how he pleases. If he wants to hate women then whatever. But he is no less mgtow than anyone else.
/r/MGTOW226/09/18 01:15 PM
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There was no evidence. It was all testimonies. So basically "he said she said." The jury was simply convinced by the women's testimony. Good luck having sex when all it takes for your entire reputation and legacy to be ruined by a trail of tears. We know that similiar convictions have been overturned with DNA evidence. Yet we accept this. God fucking help us all.
/r/MGTOW26/09/18 05:40 AM
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Props.
/r/MGTOW23/09/18 05:32 AM
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What makes this person an expert?
/r/MGTOW218/09/18 06:44 AM
1

When people call men "losers" what they mean is that that man is either not willing or not capable of giving his hard on resources to either a woman or the government. That's always what it boils down to. If he had a better job he'd make himself better marriage material. He doesn't have a good job. So "loser." If he had more ambition he'd have more chance of making more money, making him better marriage material. "Loser." If he wasn't so lazy and worked more he'd have more money, making him bett…
/r/MGTOW217/09/18 04:58 PM
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I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. Sharing and greed is hardwired into us. As men it was our job to share what we hunted with the tribe, with our women. Of course you feel this way and it's not a bad thing. In fact wouldn't necessarily discourage you from embracing that feeling. The thing is cohabitation isn't necessary to share that. Invite some bodies over. Or start spinning plates. Having a long term cohabitation isn't going to make the woman more appreciative of your space. If an…
/r/MGTOW217/09/18 04:51 PM
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He's a cool dude. I agree with him about 95% of the time. He is also very logical and has the ability to look at various topics with nuance.
/r/MGTOW217/09/18 01:33 PM
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If you get rid of the blacks another group will replace them. The problem is severe poverty. Blacks are simply the people that were scapegoated. Same with the Irish. Someone has to be at the very bottom in an unfettered capitalist society. The group at the bottom will always have higher crime rate. White, black, yellow, purple. It always boils down to simple economics. Again, check the history of the Irish.
/r/MGTOW217/09/18 01:19 PM
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Interesting. I know I won't ever become that way because my life is planned. Even if I do find a CENAWALT (Close Enough NAWALT), my entire relationship will be structured around my redpill knowledge. No marriage, no bio kids. Tradecucks and redpilled women would be extremely against it. But I see what you mean. People are shit in general. Just ignore them and let them stew in their own misery like Bill Burr who is currently having marital issues after thinking it was a good idea to marry a post …
/r/MGTOW16/09/18 02:46 PM
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Here here.
/r/MGTOW16/09/18 02:11 PM
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Here here. For me personally I will have children, just not my own. I'll be adopting a boy in the coming years. I'll be adopting as a single father. It's what I'm working towards. Pull some boy out of the hell hole of a foster life and give him a real childhood with real love. Teach him how to survive and thrive in this fucked up world so he doesn't end up behind bars. Teach him to be self relient because the world, society, doesn't give a fuck about him. That's my way. I won't need a woman to d…
/r/MGTOW16/09/18 01:40 PM
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MGTOW is just not choosing to cohabitate or marry women. Anything beyond that is "to each their own." There is no other lifestyle that is better or worse MGTOW. Let's not shame men for enjoying their fucking life. What the fuck? This man had awesome parents who took care of their child. Nothing wrong with that. You sound bitter. Let the man enjoy his money and freedom. I hope to allow my children to do that one day as well. More power to you brotha. Send us pictures.
/r/MGTOW16/09/18 01:14 PM
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NAWALT''s don't exist. You may find a woman who meets all your standards but it's super unlikely. But lets say you do. She is submissive, cheerful, doesn't nag, knows how to follow and shut the fuck up. She always gets on her knees when you are in the mood. She cooks, cleans, and if you have a kid she is going to be at home AND she'll be loyal. So basically a redpiled woman graduate from the r/redpillwomen sub. Still AWALT but as close to NAWALT as you can get. Still just don't marry. IF she is …
/r/MGTOW16/09/18 12:38 PM
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Well the laws aren't going to get changed in our lifetime so we don't actually have to worry about that. Japan's problem is 100 times worse than our problem and they aren't seeking to change anything. America and the EU won't either. Dude, MRA's, for how much we need them, don't get anything done. Nobody cares about men. And especially not white men. I'm black and even I'm starting to see that there is a literal witch hunt for "non-rich," "non-chad," white men. So like, 99% of white men. No one …
/r/MGTOW16/09/18 12:28 PM
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After blacks got the vote and segregation was ended do you think there was still real racism? If so what did it look like since technically it was no longer on the books and everyone was equal under the law? MLK was still marching and doing activism for black people even after the laws were changed. You think he should have just went home because everything was equal on paper?
/r/MGTOW209/09/18 11:05 PM
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Anyone can be MGTOW. Different strokes. If your way is to constantly remind yourself how bad it would be for you to jump back on the plentation that I think that's as valid as someone who doesn't think about it but then falls for the trap because they forget exactly why they were MGTOW in the first place. To each their own really.
/r/MGTOW209/09/18 10:32 PM
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I actually enjoyed Ozark. Yea he was a bit of a cuck by somewhat forgiving her at the very end but that was only because of his situation. He held his wife accountable the entire time and she even apologized. He said the only reason they were together is because of the kids and their situation, which I believe. I wouldn't label him full cuck status, outside of the fact that he got married in the first place. I definintely agree with you about season 2. I really don't like that they killed off th…
/r/MGTOW09/09/18 08:27 PM
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Can you name one society where people stopped talking about racism and that alone made it go away while people were still being oppressed based on their race? Where the difference between racial oppression and total equality was people talking about it and pointing it out? I remember MLK giving a speech after one particular incident of racial hatred, it may have been when those black girls were blown up. In that speech MLK advocated exactly the opposite of what Morgan freeman proposed. He said, …
/r/MGTOW209/09/18 06:20 PM
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If feel like I'm in English class reading this.
/r/MGTOW205/09/18 03:46 PM
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My concern is her expression. Best part off her is her expression. Meek and submissive, aprehensive. She has big doe eyes and her eyebrows are very expressive. But in the picture you linked she has a different expression in her naked pics. Can you order her with a changed expression or can you change her expression on the fly by switching out her eyebrows and eyes?
/r/MGTOW04/09/18 05:28 AM
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I fail to see how how that matters. No one claimed that everyone is getting married.
/r/MGTOW03/09/18 01:20 AM
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Marrying is not the same as who you choose to fuck when you're at your peak SMV. When is the time-frame of most incel. 18-30.
/r/MGTOW03/09/18 01:10 AM
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So the majority of women you've met dated men half their SMV? Or is this just the minority exception to the rule? 80/20 rule implies that 20% don't obey the rule. But that still leaves a huge amount of the male population shit out of luck without breaking their backs. Your move.
/r/MGTOW03/09/18 12:55 AM
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I said looked like Brad Pitt, not actually Brad Pitt. You used an actual example of a famous person, I used his likeness to point to a general look. Knowing some whore who "dated" a bunch of random dudes does that say anything against the 80/20 rule.
/r/MGTOW03/09/18 12:47 AM
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NO one said it was impossible for non-chads to get laid. But the point is that if you look like chad it's a LOT easier and you can easily get away with these things a LOT more often. It's like playing Blackjack when you always know the opponent's cards. Can you win at blackjack if you play legit? Sure. But the vast majority don't. And those that play and see the dealers cards is going to have a lot more success than anyone else. So much more success that it can become depressing at the lack of s…
/r/MGTOW02/09/18 11:57 PM
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Doesn't matter what he is saying. If he looked like Brad Pitt they'd be hopping on him.
/r/MGTOW02/09/18 08:36 PM
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This is one of the biggest problems with single mothers. Growing attached to the child. I have a similar situation where I dated a woman and grew attached to her children, two girls. I ended up breaking up with her because I could see that she wasn't going to let me be a good influence on the girls. I knew it wasn't healthy for anyone to be a part of that. I blocked her and ghosted her after she stated bluntly that she had no interest in being a better mother and better spouse. Never, ever, EVER…
/r/MGTOW229/08/18 11:27 PM
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MGTOW isn't JUST doing what ever you want. Anyone can claim to do that. You don't need a special label for that. MGTOW by definition is the refusal to cohabitate and/or marry women. If you want to be a man that just "lives his own life the way he wants," you can be a redpilled man and do that just fine. You aren't mgtow if you cohabitate. But MGTOW isn't necessary about monk mode. I still casually hook up with females. I have female friends. I spend a lot of time with women. Mostly my sisters. B…
/r/MGTOW229/08/18 01:13 PM
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If you aren't satisfied with your relationship, I'd call that a failed marriage. The question wasn't "is your relationship perfect." It was about satisfaction level. How many Disney princesses were unsatisfied with their husbands? Even when Shrek and Fiona had a rift in their relationship I garentee they'd still rate deeply satisfied if they took that interview. You can have problems and still be satisfied and happy with the person you are with. The bill of goods we were sold, what makes a unico…
/r/MGTOW227/08/18 05:57 PM
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Love is "effervescent and bubbly." IF you can't even describe your own marriage that way when you got together because of "true love," then that is a failed marriage. If you can't strongly agree with the notion that you are in a happy marriage, then you are unsatisfied with your relationship. Which proves my point. You can't be happy with your relationship and unsatisfied. Only 13 percent of marriages are happy, satistifed marriages. Others are essentially "cheaper to stay" marriages or "it coul…
/r/MGTOW227/08/18 04:18 PM
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That person doesn't need to be a unicorn to spend time with them consistently. Many MGTOW still have casual relationships with women. But if you are talking about cohabitating, that's the only time where whether or not she is a "NAWALT" would matter. Who cares if she is awalt if all you want to do is hang out, have sex, and not let her live with you and not marry her. Without her cohabitating with you she has relatively little power over you so it doesn't matter if she is a unicorn or not. MGTOW…
/r/MGTOW227/08/18 01:44 PM
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You clearly didn't read it then.
/r/MGTOW227/08/18 01:29 PM
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Only about 13% of marriages are happy marriages.http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/gpr13159.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8byGFryWQRU&feature=youtu.be Of those marriages, they almost primarily belong to the hyper religious. I'm talking the amish or people that attend church regularly. Or you hyper religious. Because if you aren't the chance of having a happy marriage is even lower than 13%. The decision to be MGTOW is a cost-benefit analysis. What are you potentially getting out of …
/r/MGTOW227/08/18 05:53 AM
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Amen.
/r/MGTOW26/08/18 07:26 PM
1

People do win the lottery. Not a good reason to play the lottery and throw away money imo. Especially if after 5 to 10 years it was likely to cost half your income and lead to loosing custody of your kids.
/r/MGTOW226/08/18 07:23 PM
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Watching this after work.
/r/MGTOW22/08/18 07:24 PM
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Honestly I'm terrible at analogies so I had to think about this for a while. What you are describing, a man with redpill knowledge who is living his life his way while married or actively pursing marriage, already exists. It's called a redpill man or a married redpill man. There is nothing inherently special about what you are doing that is not already fully defined by simply being a "redpill man." MGTOW are redpill man who take this redpill knowledge further and choose not to cohabitate and not…
/r/MGTOW222/08/18 07:04 PM
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More like claiming to be golfing while actually playing basketball, having never actually played a game of golf in your life. In terms of MGTOW a golfer in the weeds would be a man who is casually dating or having sex, but still refusing to cohabitate or marry. A golfer isn't a golfer if they aren't even playing the sport.
/r/MGTOW222/08/18 06:41 PM
1

How about a vegan that eats meat?
/r/MGTOW222/08/18 06:29 PM
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Throw what ever useless word you want around. You aren't one of us if you cohabitate with women. If you want to make an argument for why women are worth cohabitating with then go ahead. We engage with Non-mgtow here. But to claim the title while going against the very foundation of what it is to be MGTOW is essentially trolling.
/r/MGTOW222/08/18 06:23 PM
2

Plato's republic? Would you recommend?
/r/MGTOW22/08/18 06:04 PM
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I'm educating, not gatekeeping. If you want to say MGTOW is "any man doing anything,' then the label means nothing. You aren't mgtow if you cohabitate or get married. Period. Find another group to infiltrate.
/r/MGTOW222/08/18 05:54 PM
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Doesn't matter. Neither is Christianity. But you aren't a Christian if you don't believe that Jesus is the son of God.
/r/MGTOW222/08/18 05:52 PM
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That's like saying "he is a Christian that doesn't believe in God and doesn't think Jesus is the son of God." Even if you follow most of Jesus' teachings, you aren't a Christian if you don't believe that Jesus is the son of God Labels exist for a reason. MGTOW is already defined. No need to rework the definition to include people who clearly don't subscribe to the beliefs. The core belief of MGTOW is that women are not worth cohabitating or marrying. If you don't believe that and practice it the…
/r/MGTOW221/08/18 06:01 PM
1

This is a great question. It depends on your goals. Ask yourself this. Is taking a break going to greatly hinder my goals? What will I gain out of this break? What will I lose? How old are you? What is your long term goal? What are you going to get out of that break that you can't get while working? If it were me I'd keep working only because my goal is too save money so that in 10 years I don't have to work full time. Enter into a lifetime pseudo-retirement where I don't NEED to work. I'm worki…
/r/MGTOW221/08/18 05:56 PM
1

Yes, I agree with that as well. Reproduction does hurt a man. It's the sacrifice a man makes to continue the species. Even when he is raising another man's child. That child may go on to cure cancer or just help someone who needs it. At the same time a man's sacrifice helps the species. So most would see the sacrifice as "worth." Like a solider sacrificing his life. It benefits his species. I personally will be adopting so I'm ok with the sacrifice because it allows me to do good in this world. …
/r/MGTOW221/08/18 01:34 PM
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Of course they would be respected and we'd listen. Doesn't mean we'd agree. Rollo sounds like more of a "married redpill" than a mgtow. I don't know exactly what the mods intend by I don't mind discussing any subject really as long as their isn't blatant trolling and shaming of MGTOW beliefs. If you want to argue them or present your perspective in good will then I personally am ok with that. In fact I encourage it. Though just understand that this is a space for MGTOW primarily.
/r/MGTOW221/08/18 01:27 PM
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I would DEFINITELY argue that a man's mating strategy is inhertantly in his own best interest since the primary goal of life is to live long enough to spread your seed. A male black widow is acting out his best interest by fulfilling his biological imperative. Now if I were a black widow I'd say screw it and be extremely selfish, but either decision is in my interest because it's my biological imperative. It allows me to sire and pass my seed. That benefits legacy.
/r/MGTOW221/08/18 12:05 PM
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No. He is not MGTOW, period. Even if he perscribes to some of our ideas. It's like a person that lives by a lot of the teaching of Jesus or Bhudda but doesn't actually believe in an afterlife or God. They aren't part of those organizations. A MGTOW is a man that refuses to cohabitate and refuses to marry. That's it. You either are or you aren't. Hell, you can be a MGTOW feminist, conversative, Christian Muslim, etc. But if you are married, you are, by the very definition of what it means to be M…
/r/MGTOW221/08/18 12:01 PM
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Dude it's not just about the money. Think about it. She has been married 26 years. She hit the wall probably 30 years ago. If she loses you she is going to be alone forever. She can't just jump back on the carousel and have a row of mega-hot chad's lined up to dick her down. She can't even fantasize about that. If she loses you her romantic life is over. Best she can hope for is some older guy she won't be really attracted. She'll have to work for it. She'll actually have to get off her ass and …
/r/MGTOW217/08/18 06:40 PM
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Exactly. If they are anything like us then we are doomed. And we deserve it.
/r/MGTOW16/08/18 06:32 PM
1

I disagree. If you refuse to cohabitate you are MGTOW. If you want to cohabitate but simply haven't been given the opportunity, then you are not MGTOW. You are more an incel. It's the refusal to cohabitate and marry that makes a MGTOW, MGTOW. Anything beyond that is a subset of MGTOW. Like Miltant atheism. The only attribute that describes an Athiest is the disbelief in any particular god or gods. Anything beyond that is "extra."
/r/MGTOW16/08/18 03:56 PM
1

Female English teacher. I actually admired her intelligence even though she was a total bitch. Very masculine and used humiliation tactics to teach. Still very smart though.
/r/MGTOW16/08/18 01:28 PM
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MGTOW is refusing to cohabitate with women and marry them. As long as he does that then he is mgtow.
/r/MGTOW16/08/18 01:25 PM
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Once AI starts coming to conclusions on it's own that means really really bad things for the human race. Not that I'm all "rah rah" human race. Just it may not be all sunshines and rainbows.
/r/MGTOW16/08/18 01:16 PM
1

So Nofap lol. Just say that. No fap is garbage placebo mumbo jumbo.
/r/MGTOW216/08/18 01:02 PM
1

Watching Black Mirror officially broke my faith in humanity. I'm gonna get mine but I wouldn't be upset if a meteor wiped us all out. We are pretty shit as a species. In the mean time I'm gonna be happy doing me.
/r/MGTOW216/08/18 10:56 AM
1

What the hell are you talking about? What is SR?
/r/MGTOW216/08/18 10:54 AM
0

Prostitution is a form of entertainment. It's literally giving someone enjoyment. That's the literal definition. I don't know where you are from but you simply need to learn the definition of the word.
/r/MGTOW15/08/18 11:56 PM
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You can't understand why someone gives money to an entertainer?
/r/MGTOW15/08/18 11:03 PM
1

We don't get to take unpaid vacation. I would get fired then come back and have to find a new job. If I eat into ALL my investments I can take a year off, but then I start from square one with no investments. I don't know what job you work but in my job, you can't just take a bunch of time off for no reason that isn't something like you got hit by a car.
/r/MGTOW215/08/18 09:05 PM
1

I live paycheck to paycheck BECAUSE I'm saving for retirement.
/r/MGTOW215/08/18 08:53 PM
1

Just because you retire doesn't mean you stop working. It just means you stop NEEDING to work.
/r/MGTOW215/08/18 08:53 PM
1

Adopt.
/r/MGTOW15/08/18 02:34 PM
1

There is a ton of stuff you can't do while working 40 hours a week. Can I take a week off and just relax and watch youtube videos from dusk till dawn? No. Can I just take a day off and go outside and walk. No. Can I stay in a country for 3 months and just bathe in the sun? No. Can I work a job I really really enjoy even if it's not making me enough money to maintain a certain standard of living? No. I talked to one man who retired early so he could go to Florida and be a scooba instructor withou…
/r/MGTOW215/08/18 01:36 PM
1

Also if the woman goes to jail. The woman essentially becomes neglectful, though it's not really her fault. Though the margin isn't that big. People generally leave each other during sickness if that sickness makes them unable to function. People are generally shitty.
/r/MGTOW215/08/18 08:39 AM
2

Saving this for later.
/r/MGTOW14/08/18 07:00 PM
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If you want advice on how to interact with women head to r/theredpill or r/asktrp. They'll be better suited for it. A mgtow will tell you not to waste your time. You ALWAYS have a choice. At least in America you do. Are you from some communist 3rd world country where you have no freedom and have to have a full conversation with every person that wants to talk to you? If not then simply ignore them. But really, you should probably get laid. You're too young to be MGTOW. Your hormones are going to…
/r/MGTOW14/08/18 06:57 PM
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Just adopt. That's what I'm going to do. You don't need to sire your own child. Within a few generations your biological material will be extremely diluted anyway. No need to clone yourself. Take a young boy who would otherwise grow up without love and support and give him that. You'll do more good than simply popping another clone in the world. Not only that, but you will have full control without needing a woman's approval or risk a woman destroying your family. Win win win.
/r/MGTOW14/08/18 06:50 PM
1

That's a good way to get murdered.
/r/MGTOW14/08/18 06:47 PM
8

Exactly this. I've lost a lot of interest in women but I still watch porn and masturbate regularly. My sex drive is fine.
/r/MGTOW14/08/18 06:37 PM
6

It's obviously fake. It's entertainment. Probably a vine.
/r/MGTOW14/08/18 06:14 PM
1

Love does exist, but it only exists in a man. The love we've seen in Disney fantasies has a number of qualities. The love we've been taught growing up as children have these qualities. Unconditional - Love transcends income, looks, height, even race or species. Love can happen regardless of all of these. People will fall in love regardless of all of these once they meet the "right person." Eternal and unflinching - Not only does love last forever but "true love" never fades unless there is serie…
/r/MGTOW214/08/18 09:23 AM
2

New Avengers: Secret Wars (2015) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDf_vtCPTpY
/r/MGTOW14/08/18 08:19 AM
1

Women are a specific and extreme case of economic vacuum to a straight men. And we are straight men. My friends and family will never cost me as much as a woman does. Not even close. I don't need to court my friends, my sisters, my family. It's not expected that I buy my friends or family drinks, it's not expected that I take them out to dinner (even if she pays for half). It's not expected that I buy my family or friends wedding rings or pay for some expensive ass wedding. It's not expected tha…
/r/MGTOW214/08/18 08:10 AM
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Even with the movies Tony stark is not a hero. He is a hypocrite from the first movie onward. He goes to a foreign country to stop foreign people from killing civilians yet he has no problems with U.S. Drone strikes under Obama during that time that hit 90% the wrong people. Then there was Spiderman Homecoming. The only reason the villain existed was because Tony Stark took over the reconstruction contract of an honest, hard working American man, putting him out of business and into bankruptcy w…
/r/MGTOW13/08/18 07:50 PM
8

I don't think Tony stark and Black panther are good guys. Not by a long shot. There was a specific comic that explored that. Short version is that alternatives Earths were crashing into each other and they had to completely destroy one Earth or else everyone died, because if the two earths crashed into one another the universe would be destroyed. (Doesn't matter the reason, that's the situation they were put into) Tony stark, black panther, Dr. Strange, they were all willing to destroy the other…
/r/MGTOW13/08/18 06:32 PM
8

I don't know know if I'd say "good guy." The only goodguy in the marvel cinematic universe is Steven Rogers. Everyone else would do horrible things if put in the right situation. There was a specific comic which explored that. I did see Thanos as the protagonist however who was convinced he had to do what he did in order to literally save the universe. It reminds me of the movie Snowpiercer. Personally my favorite movie of all time. It had similar themes of balance and resource management except…
/r/MGTOW13/08/18 06:09 PM
3

WE GOT A LIVE ONE!
/r/MGTOW13/08/18 06:07 PM
2

Kind of reminds me of Sarah Lyn from Bo Jack Horseman. She never had to grow and deal with the consequences of her horrible lifestyle because she constantly received validation and enabling for being famous. Difference between her and all these women going down the same path, using social media for validation, is at least Sarah Lyn knew she was doomed.
/r/MGTOW13/08/18 06:05 PM
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Fiona wasn't even fat. She was at a healthy weight for a female ogre. And when she was human she was at a healthy weight for a female human. This is proven in the most recent movie where Fiona is a warrior. She had basically the same build with slightly more muscle.
/r/MGTOW13/08/18 03:46 PM
1

You actually do believe in AWALT as many have pointed out. AWALT simply means that a woman will act in her own best interest even to the detriment of her man if given the right opportunity. It's their nature, it's human nature. The difference between men and women is that we have created a society of laws, culture, and norms that remove the consequences for women acting on their base nature. So when have no insentive not to act against their own nature. Some women take this to the extreme and ch…
/r/MGTOW213/08/18 01:27 PM
1

Does this actually work?
/r/MGTOW10/08/18 01:43 PM
1

Good advice. Never applied to me. I always bought my own condoms.
/r/MGTOW207/08/18 03:15 PM
1

I think if r/MGTOW had better moderation it would be fine. The mods there currently are banning all dialogue against the narrative that women are lowly, sluts incapable of human compassion. It would be fine if those like us were able to argue against it in a healthy environment. But the censorship of opposing voices is really what has killed that sub and they are likely to get banned not because they voice opinion different from the mainstream, but because they censor and ban voices that try to …
/r/MGTOW207/08/18 01:45 PM
1

If you want help on who to have sex with check out r/theredpill While many MGTOW do actively seek female compansionship, that's not really the point of MGTOW. So if you were to ask me I'd say jerk off, get prositutes, use condoms and get a vasectomy. Your libido is fine, just show so self control. We are men, we know what's it's like to have a high libido. It's called self control. You are taking a huge risk every time you engage with a women. STD's, false allegations, pregnancy risks. What idea…
/r/MGTOW207/08/18 01:30 PM
1

MGTOW 2 to me is about not having over misogyny go unchallenged. But if a man wants to share his drama because that's part of him going his own way than I'd like to hear his voice. He's sharing his life. I'll personally be glad to engage.
/r/MGTOW206/08/18 12:23 PM
1

A man's love last forever as long as she continues to be a decent human being. A man's love pushes him to do crazy things for her, like sacrifice. Dooesn't matter what it's rooted in. A man loves in the way the disney movies depicted, which is eternal. Hell he can even cheat and still love his wife. Unless her vagina falls off or she starts neglecting and ignoring him he will stay in love. A woman's love is superficial because "accomplishments" are fleeting. And often the accomplishments aren't …
/r/MGTOW206/08/18 12:04 PM
3

I would have already invested in the company that is building "Harmony" but you have to be an accredited investor the last time I checked.
/r/MGTOW05/08/18 07:06 PM
2

I thought he was dumped by his Canadian girlfriend when all the girls started dumping all the guys.
/r/MGTOW05/08/18 01:17 PM
3

Exactly. Even Karen Straughn while being an awesome voice in the community, the non-mgtow community, mostly mra community and not to take away anything from her, even she uses that knowledge to secure a husband. I remember her talking about how hard it was to get her man to trust her since he recently came out of a divorce before getting with her. So yes she "understands" and seems to care but lets not believe that she isn't also personally benefitting from this knowledge.
/r/MGTOW05/08/18 01:16 PM
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I've already seen that movie about 200 times even before I learned about the red pill. Probably my favorite movie of all time next to Snowpiercer.
/r/MGTOW05/08/18 01:05 PM
1

Just protect yourself. Maybe goddamn sure at least get a Yes at some point before you ever touch her. Hell if you need to have her sign a simple contract before sex. If she is in a position to have sex with you then shee shouldn't have a huge problem signing a contract even if it will be a mood killer/changer in the moment. And most importantly, besides the obvious use a condom, is be willing to drop her in a second if she gives you a hard time at all or tries to play hard to get. If she doesn't…
/r/MGTOW205/08/18 11:51 AM
1

We disagree then.
/r/MGTOW204/08/18 09:22 PM
1

Read my answer.
/r/MGTOW204/08/18 08:49 PM
1

Self improvement is a meaningless without context. It's arbitrary. Leaving someone because they don't want to self improve in the way you approve of means you didn't love them in the first place. And if women leave men over that, then they can't love.
/r/MGTOW204/08/18 08:24 PM
1

Define self improvement? If I'm living the life I want to live then I who cares how much i'm "self improving?" If a woman married me or said she loved me, then that means she takes the all of me, not the IDEA of me. If I'm at a stage in my life where I just want to be lazy and relax, then a person that really loves me would enjoy that relaxation with me, not judge me because I'm not meeting some arbitrary level of self improvement she has in her head based on this IDEA of me that she created. I …
/r/MGTOW204/08/18 03:12 PM
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So someone who is feeling down and going through troubled times. I'm pretty sure marriage vows cover that. Do you think a man would be considered a loser if he made a million dollars and spent almost all of it making his wife happy, even if he was miserable himself?
/r/MGTOW203/08/18 11:29 PM
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What is a loser? Is a man who is happy living a humble life a loser? Let me ask you this. If a woman abandons a man because he is doing something that is making him happy but is less beneficial to her compared to something he did before which was making him miserable, is she trash? Define a loser? When ever someone uses the term "loser" it means "A man who is doing the things in his life that makes him happy but not specifically for the benefit of a woman." If that's a loser, if woman fall out o…
/r/MGTOW203/08/18 11:13 PM
1

Everyone is able to "do better." Doesn't mean you should. Doesn't mean that's what HEALTHY for you. What if you are climbing a corporate ladder and get burned out and want to just relax for a few years? She is just going to fall out of love because you are doing what is making you happy but it's not beneficial to her. That's not love. Love is through thick and thin, rich or poor, good times or bad times. They enjoy you for simply being you. If you don't want to kill yourself doing a job you hate…
/r/MGTOW203/08/18 10:48 PM
1

"Like if you take a mickey ds job temporarily until you get back on youre feet she shouldnt leave. But if youre comfortable there and have no drive to do better then i think she has the right to leave." This is not love. The love we boys have been taught to strive for an expect from women has no conditions. Think back to all the disney movies and romance tv shows and movies that perpetuated our culture. Did Jasmine leave Alladin because he turned out to be a street rat? Did Fiona leave shrek bec…
/r/MGTOW203/08/18 08:38 PM
1

Most, if not all of us are here because we came from the main MGTOW subreddit. We either got banned like you because we didn't just subscribe to every misogynist narrative that is spewed there on a daily basis, or were put off by the sheer level of misogynist circle jerking. Having said that, I do believe in AWALT. AWALT to me is not just female nature, it's human nature. Humans are naturally self interested. We generally don't do things against our own self interest if we can avoid it. Take one…
/r/MGTOW203/08/18 08:09 PM
3

As all things should be.
/r/MGTOW02/08/18 09:10 PM
3

Saving for later.
/r/MGTOW02/08/18 06:01 PM
2

Damn. I heard it was most efficient to only work out once 3 times a week.
/r/MGTOW02/08/18 03:17 PM
2

Glad to see you take care of your body. How often do you work out?
/r/MGTOW02/08/18 01:26 PM
1

Perfectly balanced.
/r/MGTOW202/08/18 10:24 AM
1

Thanks for your perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 06:31 PM
2

Oh thanks for letting me know.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 06:30 PM
0

The members of the MGTOW sub seem to find the information compelling to validate their belief in AWALT. I was wondering what Non-mgtow would think of the information and how compelling it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 06:30 PM
1

They're not interested in the deep complexities of actual human relations. Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 06:18 PM
2

There are multiple subs where MGTOW gather. There are subs that just talk about men doing their own thing. r/GentlemenOnly is a place like that. The main MGTOW sub from my experience is mostly for men during the redpill rage phase to vent. Also for elder mgtow to warn others about the dangers of being "not-mgtow." They focus on it the same reason an alcoholic would focus on the dangers of alcohol in order not to relapse. At least that's the logic I've seen from my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 06:15 PM
1

I watched a video of an interview about Herbivore men. One of the men self identified as such. I didn't know it was an insult.
/r/MGTOW31/07/18 04:05 PM
1

So you think I should think about adoption while working full time?
/r/MGTOW231/07/18 07:07 AM
1

I wanted to retire early so I can raise my adopted child full time.
/r/MGTOW231/07/18 07:01 AM
1

One of my previous coworkers in sales went into a one-on-one, in person sales postion. I worked at a call center doing sales over the phone. Maybe switching it up would work for me in the short term.
/r/MGTOW230/07/18 02:46 PM
1

That's a good idea. I'll start putting myself out there.
/r/MGTOW230/07/18 02:34 PM
1

Well by the time I become a father I won't be in this job. The idea was to use this job as a stepping stone to get to the actual position I was, which is a higher tier sales position. But I have to be in this job for at least a year before I can apply to other departments.
/r/MGTOW230/07/18 02:24 PM
1

Thanks. I really should dust off my resume. I think the real bummer is that moving to full time was kind of a paycut for me. I've worked for the same bank for about 3 years and I've moved to different departments. I was in part time sales but went to business. But the bonus I get from business is about 4 times less than the bonus I could have gotten by just going full time sales. But apparently I'd have "less opportunities to advance" if I stayed in sales. So I'm here as a stepping stone. But ma…
/r/MGTOW230/07/18 02:14 PM
1

I don't personally need the money no. In fact, at my current job and the one I worked at before here, I worked part time. I'm actually under the belief that working full time is slavery and immoral. Anyway, that's neither here nor there. I worked part time and lived just fine. I was able to save maybe a few hundred dollars a month making 20k a year. Now I make 40k but work twice the hours and it's really wearing on me. The reason why I want to make more money is because one of my long time goals…
/r/MGTOW230/07/18 01:52 PM
1

I was banned from that sub for the same reason but I do want to disagree with you about the nature of women and love. I think we, western men, have grown up with this Disney fantasy concept of love and I think when are incapable of THAT type of love. But that's what love is. The Disney fantasy version of love is unconditional. Loving someone even when it hurts or is actively detrimental to your life. The Disney fantasy version of love is that women never, ever look at another men and that they w…
/r/MGTOW230/07/18 01:32 PM
1

This is exactly why I am here. The top mod on that sub has been banning for anyone who questions the overt racist and sexist comments on MGTOW. I asked for alternatives and I'm glad to have found this sub. It's not really the fault of Incel's, it's the fault of the mods who maintain and enforce a platform that encourages hate as opposed to healthy dialogue and communication within the community.
/r/MGTOW230/07/18 01:27 PM
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I think a loving relationship is a myth created by Disney fantasies. The love we crave only exists as long as we make ourselves constantly useful to the woman. You want that love, get a dog or program a robot. Human females don't love in the way that Disney fantasies portray. I don't believe I'm giving that up by going MGTOW. It doesn't exist. I can't give up something that doesn't exist. This is just wishful thinking. Putting another coin in the slot hoping that the next one will win big even t…
/r/MGTOW229/07/18 06:14 PM
1

I just subbed to r/mgtow 2. Does mgtow.com have an active forum? I got rid of all my social media but I still like being a part of a community. Otherwise I'd have pretty much no social interaction outside of the very few times I play videogames with friends and family.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 05:28 PM
1

I thought the mgtow mods would be better about general snowflakery. But they are human. Humans generally can't handle opinions that question their world view. A big red pill but it is what it is. I'm still looking for other MGTOW communities though with less snowflakery. Where men can actually be men without having to worry about offending people's delicate sensibilities and being censored. I thought that was the entire point of the mgtow subreddit but clearly it's not. Or maybe it was at one po…
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 05:15 PM
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LOL I make mgtow videos idiot.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 05:12 PM
1

If it walks like a snowflake, quacks like one, then guess what, it's a snowflake. Liberal or conversation. Anyone who can't handle alternative opinions and wants to censor opinions they don't like is a snowflake.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 05:11 PM
1

Or maybe it's a "certain" mod. Either way, some mod is handing out bans for that.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 05:10 PM
0

Your post simply wasn't seen by the mods then because that's exactly why I got banned.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 05:09 PM
0

Sure. If you say that white men in America have historically had privileges over black men and you defend that position then you're likely to get banned.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 05:07 PM
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Ah, then it's confirmed. MGTOW is just another group of oversensitive snowflakes who can't handle opinions that differ from theirs. I guess we all go our own way in different ways. And going your own way doesn't entail valuaing free speech and open dialogue. It can be just as close minded and dogmatic as any other philosophy. Thanks for the red pill.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 05:06 PM
1

Please continue. This is hilarious. Keep going.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 05:04 PM
2

I'm a mgtow man same as you who has an opinion. The fact that you are so hostile to another man for simply having an opinion on certain issues that differs from yours shows that you're no better than other pc circle jerks.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 05:04 PM
2

Enjoy your dogmatic circle jerk kiddo.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 04:58 PM
2

Yea you're right. Free speech and open dialogue is overrated. Much better to just have a circle jerk.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 04:55 PM
2

?
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 04:53 PM
2

As long as it goes with the narrative it's not going to be censored. But anything that does go against the narrative of conservative, redpilled men is going to be banned. Try stating an opinion contrary to mgtow beliefs and arguing for that position and see how fast the snowflake mods ban you. Or an opinion contrary to conservative beliefs.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 04:51 PM
2

Here here brother. Looks like Reddit as a whole is just PC snowflake culture where people divide into their dogmatic groups and ban anyone who gives an opinion outside of that groups narrative. Well the internet as a whole is like that. Guess I was just hoping r/mgtow would be the one place free from that sensensitive Snowflakery. But MGTOW men are just as sensitive and just as offended and all up in their feelings as any other group. Seems no one can handle an opinion that differs from theirs. …
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 04:49 PM
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I don't want to run a community of men, I just want to participate in one without being censored by PC snowflakes. I would guess that most MGTOW men would want that as well.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 04:40 PM
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