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I am defending the agency of adults to choose their own partners. You're baselessly attacking me because you ran out of arguments more than half this chain of comments ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:04 AM
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It also makes it none of your goddamn business if an 18yo chooses a 50yo.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:00 AM
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Does an 18yo have the agency to choose his or her own sexual and romantic partners or do they not?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 07:58 AM
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It's taboo because people don't know how to mind their own goddamn business. That's it. Don't want an age gap relationship? Don't have one. I'll bet you've used that exact line before in other contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 07:55 AM
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Age gaps don't need to be discouraged either though. I actually asked for traumatic results from age gap relationships. With how much shit Reddit is constantly talking about these types of dynamics, that should have been the hottest thread I ever started and there's barely more than crickets. Conversely, here's a response I made to a woman who said age gaps were more frequently older male/younger female: It's a pretty decent mix if any of these threads are anything to go by. Search 'age gap' on …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 07:42 AM
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So you just want to fuck young women. Go for it then. I've talked to a decent amount of women about such experiences when they were younger so I know they're out there. You should probably expect it to be kept on the downlow and not to blossom into any sort of serious relationship though. But if you don't want it to blossom into an LTR anyway, then why would the social acceptability/public status of the relationship matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 07:21 AM
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Oh shit there's bronze diggers out there?? I might be able to get in on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:43 AM
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You guys literally never shut the fuck up about this shit. I even agree with all the science/biology of the pairing but there are plenty of practical reasons not to settle with someone so much older. What about the dude dying? Even kicking the bucket while the kids are still young? I agree that it should be socially acceptable for people to choose their own pairings, but even if it were, I don't think you'd see people making this kind of choice in any significant numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:37 AM
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Sorry you'll never be secure enough in any relationship you ever have to enjoy group sex. It's fucking dope.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 07:12 PM
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That makes a lot more sense now that you've clarified. Women can of course still choose but it's a different choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:50 PM
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Try not to willfully misunderstand things to the point where you end up saying something this stupid: You can choose whether or not you want to be put in that situation. Women cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:35 PM
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the community pogo stick. New life goal unlocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:02 PM
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I'm not right wing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:31 AM
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Link me to something that says 'millions of men report the pullout method is safe'. are we literally basing our perception of fact on "individual experiences" ? get real. Personally, I trust my own personal experience to guide me through life. Not 'data' contrived by people with an agenda. Which honestly feels like exactly what you'd be if you were in charge of the 'study' you described in the other chain. I get the impression you'd purposely steer it to try to overcome the fact that some nobody…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 07:39 AM
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'A' data point? You perceive upwards of 8000 individual experiences as a single data point? Not even a data point? A single anecdote?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 07:27 AM
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Despite my wording, this was top my result for 'How many love letters does a female serial killer receive?' 4000 letters to the judge and 4000 messages to him personally. Dude isn't even someone I've heard of. Also worth noting that the senders are described as women, not girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 07:17 AM
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I am pointing out to you that there isn't as big a difference as you think there is. Another commenter pointed to the thousands (or collectively likely more) love letters that serial killers have received from women while they're in prison. Is that not enough data points to be worth anything toward that supposed hypothesis? How many data points would you expect the study you've described to contain?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 07:01 AM
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So you want people who were asked questions and then self-reported their own anecdotal personal experience in a great enough number that instead of being perceived as a 'collection of anecdotes' it were instead perceived as a 'study containing data'. The question is, how many anecdotes does it take to switch your perception?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:45 AM
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All science is in a lot of cases is a collection of anecdotes presented as data by someone who has a degree in a science. So how many anecdotes would you need to see before you perceived the information as scientific data?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:32 AM
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Why do you need me to tell you what you should or shouldn't do? Your whole previous comment is an attempt to shame men who engage in age gap encounters so I gave my honest perspective on the matter. So again, if you have a legitimate reason, why shouldn't I?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:49 PM
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What's really frustrating is that our federal age of consent law is perfectly reasonable. In fact the only law I perceive as more reasonable is Canada's. Sometimes the states don't need to branch off and create 50 different laws and 50 different perceptions of 'How much liberty should a 14yo have?' They can just use the law the feds came up with. But yeah the states that provide no close-in-age exemptions definitely need to be changed, lest more shit like this happens. It's a tough thing to advo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:12 PM
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No answer, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 04:43 PM
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Basically all of society. This is a just about daily occurrence on r/adviceforteens.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 04:49 PM
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I feel like you must have missed this person's comment since you've been so active in other chains so I thought I'd reiterate it to you: I recently broke my leg in a horrific way, broken in two places in fact, same leg, and twisted, fucking brutal. I was in so much pain that my whole body was shaking, and they gave me morphine. I would ask for more, since surgery took a few days, id say "i need something for the pain" thing is.... i wouldnt of died if I didnt get more morphine... id just be in e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:32 AM
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And no, the state does not have an obligation to meet your needs. Well then what do we need the state for?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:17 AM
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You can post off topic/jokes/puns as a comment to this Automoderator message. Mickey and Minnie are in divorce court. The judge asks Mickey, 'You said your wife is crazy?' And Mickey says, 'No. I said she was fucking Goofy.'
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:15 AM
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Prostitution is fine. Scotland, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Mexico.. More probably. The USA is still rooted in puritan ideology we adopted from the British.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:04 AM
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If you perceive it as a need, just pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:40 AM
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Also 14 in Italy, Hungary, and Portugal, and I don't even think that's all of them. The reality however is that you guys perceive the law backwards. Think about it. Does an age of consent of 14 in Italy mean that I can fly over to Italy, fuck someone's 14yo daughter, and there's going to be no pushback to that? No complaint? They're just going to be like, 'Welp. That's just what happens around here.' I don't think that's right. Meaning I don't think the intended messaging to society by these law…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 08:22 PM
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And 17 year olds are legally allowed to be with 18 year olds By the letter of the law, if a 17-year-old willingly has sex with another 17-year-old, both have committed a crime (California) Source
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 08:08 PM
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If by whatever miracle it would take a smoking hot 18yo was trying to get it, she would. I wouldn't hesitate, I wouldn't think twice, I'd feel absolutely no shame, and I wouldn't give a single shit what any of you had to say about it. Realistically, I don't expect any woman in the entire 18-24 demographic (you know, all the hottest women on Earth who receive infinite attention and have infinite options) to show interest in me ever again (and I have no reason to give a shit), but if I were to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 07:49 PM
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As someone who used to be fully pro-choice, I have to say that the way pro-choice people argue is really off-putting. It's recent for me to take the other side of this argument into consideration but here is the kind of thing I look at these days and the question I ask myself is 'When is it still okay to end a potential life?' Is it still okay when the brain is developed? (week 3) Or when a heartbeat is present? (week 6) Or when limbs are developed? (week 9) I wouldn't say my view is settled yet…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 06:28 PM
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Trump on vetoing an abortion ban in October Another Another Trump supporters complaining that he hasn't signed any executive orders regarding abortion from a couple weeks ago Fact-checking website denies Trump gives a shit about divorce Associated Press on Trump's birth control 'plan' (it doesn't exist) but they do a nice showcasing of how the left will take any snippet he says and turn it into anything they want (the right is of course just as guilty of this when the left is in power)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 06:01 PM
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Bc that wasn’t his claim If you don’t like it, don’t have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 05:45 PM
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Clearly. You can tell by the way abortion is now fully banned in 12 states.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 08:22 AM
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You're not responding to his claim that you accept the potential consequence of pregnancy when you choose to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 08:14 AM
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Women aren't the product. Sex is the product. Speaking only for myself and my own engagement, I've not been able to buy it when it wasn't for sale.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 09:57 PM
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How many products have you ever bought before they were up for sale?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:47 PM
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You think the masses will jerk off to computer simulations over real people?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 10:05 PM
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Beautiful take here. I hope it gets pushed up to the top of the thread. The perspective you add on how this actually works on the ground in various countries in particular is eye-opening. better sexual education (goes a lot farther than destigmatizing sex work), and normalizing healthy sexual relationships. Developing a healthy attitude towards sex that treats it as a normal part of life In my research thus far, nobody does this better than the Dutch.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 08:35 PM
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I get the sense from a lot of women that you want women to be the sole arbiters of whether or not a man gets laid. Is that accurate in your case?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:55 PM
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Why did we stop doing this? That sounds amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 04:03 PM
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I love it when the most succinct comments give me reason to pause.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 08:18 AM
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It's really hard to say. It almost feels kind of random. The first time I had sex that felt so intimate I'd be inclined to describe it as 'making love' was the first time I had sex with my second gf (fifth sex partner) after we broke up. Then with my next gf it felt like that literally every time. I was hung up on her for years. The gf after that it felt like that for the first little while but then fizzled out. That was 2012 and then I had a moment like that with a more recent gf in 2019 but we…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:45 AM
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The most intimate experiences I've had have been sexual, though I've had a lot more sex that wasn't super intimate than I have that was.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:13 AM
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Certainly not all of them. In fact there's a whole subreddit (r/nofansallowed) where they're specifically disallowed from doing so. Out of all the profiles I've seen with nudes, it's definitely been less than half that had a link to an OnlyFans.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:08 AM
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I have no idea. With how many I know though, I figured it would be way easier to find people who knew at least one. Just for the sake of consolidating them into a single post: -A girl I went to high school with and lived with for a little while worked as a prostitute for a time. I don't remember her ever speaking about it negatively. In fact I distinctly remember her proudly stating, 'I've never taken less than $250.' She's now married and works in the wine industry. -A young woman I dated had p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:02 AM
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You cant say because you knew them, they cant be the top 10%. only the top 10% earns in millions. They weren't making millions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:00 AM
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Do you know anyone who has done it? I knew a girl who never took less than $250 prostituting. She had shared living with my friends and made rent in two clients. I dated a girl who went into porn and was getting paid $1500/video. Rent in one filming session. Neither of these are big time anybodies. Nobody needs to be in the top 10% of their field to make a living.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 04:03 AM
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Well we had to go all the way to Africa but yeah that looks pretty abysmal. Still strikes me as a more abysmal outlook on poverty in general than sex work itself though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 04:00 AM
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Those who made money from it and now they’ve used it to get to a better life are just lying to themselves and others. So you're claiming that you are a better judge of these people's lived experiences than they are themselves? If I want to know how a sex worker or a former sex worker feels about themselves or their work, I'm better off asking you than I am asking them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 03:49 AM
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Provide an example of a person. I swear to god literally every one of you is talking out of your ass. Has anyone reading this ever actually known or even spoken to a sex worker yourselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 03:38 AM
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But, the reason people quit is it’s dangerous Still waiting for you or literally anyone to provide literally one example. I think I've mentioned in this thread six different sex workers I've either known personally or spoken to personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 03:24 AM
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But, really most of us aren’t built for sex to not be a thing of bonding. Then don't do sex work. Not everyone's built the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 03:18 AM
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Now think about that a little further. Is that a consequence of the job? Or is that a consequence of the stigma?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 03:18 AM
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Like losing their jobs. Why would they lose their jobs? They stopped didn’t they. If they loved it so much why did they stop? Have you ever changed jobs in your life? Did you get the fourth degree for it? “oh I loved being a sex worker it was the greatest thing ever and if I got paid money to flip burgers for the same amount I would still have done sex work” Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 03:16 AM
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Sex workers are not. Are you sure? Here's how the porn industry compares against a few others: Current revenue estimates for the US range from $9bn to $97bn a year. The latter figure looks excessive, but a conservative estimate is $15bn. That makes it bigger than not only Netflix ($11.7bn) but also Hollywood as a whole ($11.1bn) and Viacom ($13.3bn). I would think that if society didn't need sex workers, there wouldn't be so many of them, and there wouldn't be more people fapping away on PornHub…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 03:05 AM
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I had an old gf who went into porn who now works in healthcare. The woman I talked about in the OP who I spoke to did this for 17 years and is now doing exactly what she loves (working with horses). I had an old high school friend who prostituted while she was in college and is now a decent bit up the chain in the wine industry. There's three. Do you or literally anyone else who just wants to say 'sex work is bad and they all either came from a bad spot or end up in a bad spot' have even one exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 03:01 AM
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Our instincts are primed for the jungle. I'm a believer in certain aspects biological essentialism myself. I have an issue where it intersects with hypocrisy. By biological essentialism, as a man, we're supposed to go bang all the ladies we can and spread our seed around. It makes it kinda hard to do that when we're shaming the fuck out of women for being sexually open. Sex is great. But without pair bonding you're still going to be feeling like you're empty inside. Without that kissing, cuddlin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 02:53 AM
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You could have just said, 'Yes.'
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 02:33 AM
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Still two dollars more than the infinite number of women who post themselves all over this very website.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 02:33 AM
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Destigmatizing this is like legalising weed. I'm okay with it as long as it actually reduce the consumption. I'm not sure if anyone thought legalizing weed was going to reduce the consumption of it before it happened. Was there some sort of study that predicted as much? it should be destigmatized so that more people would consume/sell. I advocate for men to utilize the service, for sure. It's a great experience to be the choosy one for a change. I'd also recommend it to aging male virgins. All t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 02:20 AM
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I think primitive people may have been promiscuous. We're definitely aligned here. It feels to me that stigma about sex in general was something that society evolved towards, not something that arose naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 01:50 AM
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but I'm worried that it also will push more women, especially young women, into the field and they will get traumatized as a result of it anyway. What we would need for this claim is an example of someone who was traumatized not by societal reaction to their job but by the job itself. For what percentage of them is that the case? And then of course we could compare that against something like what percentage of EMTs have been traumatized by their jobs? Women have been pushing for their rights an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 01:47 AM
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Constantly having sex in a way that's not pleasurable and essentially 'disassociating' isn't good for your mental health. This is subjective. Any particular person might have a different reaction or no reaction at all. The stigma usually comes from a place of empathy. What Riley Reid and the woman I spoke to were talking about was decidedly just about anything but empathy. The other issue is that the sort of men who pay for sex often view women a certain way. This I have seen a little bit. As st…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 01:16 AM
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One claim at a time. I asked you for evidence that they come from abusive backgrounds. As for being abused at their places of work, that's something that feels like it would be aided by normalization/destigmatization.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 01:13 AM
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You cannot pay a woman to love you. How did my post give you the impression I was trying to buy love? most girls who go into sex work have likely been abused This is just one of those things that society says over and over again. I had an old gf who went into porn. She had an incredible homelife. I had an old gf who was an escort both before and after we dated. So did this guy in a thread on r/askmen yesterday. He reports that both she and all her friends who engaged all had solid homelives. I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 01:02 AM
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Sex in and of itself need feel special. And it still does. People who say this strike me as perhaps having very little experience. Having sex casually doesn't all of a sudden make it impossible to have intimate sex with someone you love.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 12:46 AM
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DO YOUR WORDS HAVE A GREATER CHANCE OF INFLUENCING SOMEONE'S PERSPECTIVE WHEN YOU TYPE IN ALL CAPS? SHOULD I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS THE WHOLE TIME?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 12:44 AM
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It's not good for the person doing it and those who consume it. Correct. What's up for debate here is whether or not the negative impact it has comes from the action itself or from the societal stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 12:24 AM
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Men who think it’s in any way acceptable to buy or rent women are not good men. That's your opinion. The first time I fucked a prostitute, I was with my gf at the time. She wanted to watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 12:18 AM
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And that's exactly what I said; I just used different words. You're essentially agreeing that society is supposed to treat sex workers like shit. A sentiment that is echoed at the end of the article I linked: So, let that be a lesson. If you want to do a controversial job, be wary of any future setbacks it could cause. I love how the conclusion isn't, 'Stop being a dickhead to Riley Reid and her fucking baby', it's 'If you go into porn, expect everyone to be a dick about it.'
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 12:12 AM
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Are you saying if society didn't make porn stars feel like shit about their jobs, we wouldn't pay them as much? Like part of what they're being paid for is the harassment of both themselves and their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 12:04 AM
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I have the same experience as the other guy. I was (and frankly am) more drawn towards romantic/passionate type of sex. Treating a woman like a slut was something I had to learn how to do. Or perhaps more accurately I might have been unlearning everything society had ever told me about women wanting to be treated like delicate little flowers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 10:43 PM
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I'm wierd Nothing that you described past this point was 'weird'. In my experience (~25 partners at 38) it is close to unanimous that this is how women would prefer to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 10:35 PM
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You can't recall any sort of external forces that may have made you feel as though monogamy was preferable?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:32 PM
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Sexual conservatism is a result of societal indoctrination towards that end. There's nothing natural about us perceiving sex as something we're supposed to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:04 PM
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I've had sex that has been amongst the most deeply emotional and passionate experiences of my entire life. I've also had sex I paid $100 for. I don't think the average person has an overarching view about sex that applies to any and all sexual situations. I think most people are capable of having sex for fun and sex that is a pair-bonding experience depending on context.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 07:18 PM
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Then it's called actual real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 06:30 PM
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if you are blackout drunk you can't possibly know if the other person is consenting Ha. I guess every girl who ever had sex drunk was victimizing her partner. She was too drunk to know that the dude wanted to have sex with her, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 06:25 PM
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The fact that you feel the need to write a 50-page rulebook in the first place is confusing. People have been navigating sexual encounters since there have been people. Our current society (or maybe just Reddit) is fucking weird about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 06:09 PM
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All of them. I get what that person is saying. You're the most vocal on the thread with all these razor specific definitions of what is and isn't consent. That person is saying that those of us who actually have sex aren't thinking about your 50 page rulebook while we do so because we don't need to. We can suss things out in the moment easily enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 05:24 PM
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It has nothing to do with pride. It's more of a reality check. People hook up drunk all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 05:18 PM
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Hahahaha! What an odd response. Don't be man, I got laid. I'm not over here crying about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 09:29 AM
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under the influence of mind altering drugs or other substances, like alcohol. I have consented to sex while practically blacked out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 09:25 AM
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Anyone else get the impression that this is Dennis' fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 09:15 AM
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By your own logic then, only his partner can answer for her own consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:56 AM
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'Bring back'? Was this a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:46 AM
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Nope. I'm over here banging all the beautiful young women I feel like $100 at a time and feeling no shame about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 02:31 AM
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What's unethical about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 02:29 AM
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I post about it all the time. It's the crux of my advocacy. You might think it's no big deal for people to react like that but I've seen over and over in my study of the history of both this and other age restrictions that all it takes is one particular situation for a further restriction of liberty to end up on a ballot. And then which way is everybody who says 'eeew' voting?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 11:56 PM
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Even still though, I'd make the same argument. Does an 18yo deserve the liberty to choose to participate in a threesome with an older couple of do they not?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 08:21 PM
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They didn't have a threesome. He fucked her solo. She's freaking out about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 08:16 PM
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That's a good point. What can we do for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 07:01 PM
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Let's get the perspectives of 100s or infinite people who have actually engaged in these types of scenarios. Here's a reply I made to a woman who claimed that these pairings were more frequently older man/younger women: It's a pretty decent mix if any of these threads are anything to go by. If you want more just go to r/askredditafterdark and search 'age gap'. Infinite threads with infinite responses. I've never seen a grown man reflect on his time as a young man with an older woman unfavorably.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:56 PM
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Here's a couple articles to push back on that brain development bullshit. Second one was written entirely by a neuroscientist and released earlier this year.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:15 PM
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Why do women grow up and marginalize the fuck out of younger women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:12 PM
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This is wildly inaccurate. Women in their 30s and 40s are way more desperate. The 18-24 demographic are the most sought after and their options are essentially infinite.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:03 PM
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Nobody cares. Wildly inaccurate. Look at this thread. Anyone who's been on Reddit for any amount of time have seen 100 just like it and the reactions therein. stop caring about others opinions. People's opinions of this matter. If you (by which I mean society at large) can't perceive someone at the age they are currently liberated to make their own romantic and sexual decisions as being capable of making those decisions, they will lose the liberty to make them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:56 PM
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If I wanted to fuck underage girls, I'd be 10 miles up the street where the age of consent is 16. And I sure as fuck wouldn't be talking about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:18 AM
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What's your source? Here's mine. The literal letter of the law. Go ahead and CTRL-F for 'child'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:16 AM
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I want people to have as much liberty as they can responsibly navigate. I want a society that empowers people to be prepared for the moment they are liberated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:10 AM
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16 is still a child. I've never known a 16yo 'child' in my life. If you're looking for the legal definition, you're looking for 'minor'. Do you remember being surrounded by a bunch of fucking morons your upperclassman years of high school who still had no idea whether or not they wanted to bang somebody? Because I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:09 AM
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I do not believe in grown people pursuing the youth for relationships or sexual activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:03 AM
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Is that what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:00 AM
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Secondly, why does anyone have to “respect” anyone else’s liberation? Because when society doesn't, people lose liberty. If the general consensus is that liberated people make unreasonable choices with their liberty, then liberty is further restricted. This particular age restriction's history is littered with examples of this all over the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:59 AM
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Thank you for pulling that in here. Would love some answers to this, as that is my most primary concern with society: It's ageist as fuck. People see a number on a screen and immediately jump to all kinds of crazy conclusions. Like 'she's been groomed, raped, and has a history of being sexually assaulted' as an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:51 AM
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So she has to have your perspective in order to be considered liberated? Doesn't it feel easier to use the law's perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:41 AM
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Give me your definition of liberation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:39 AM
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No I'm literally asking for them to speak up. I didn't know any, personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:30 AM
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What I'm under the impression needs to be explained to society is that liberated people get to choose their partners as they see fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:26 AM
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So what would you think about abolishing the voting age then?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:30 AM
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When it’s infringing on someone else’s rights, breaking the law, or is violent. You said this was the only reason to restrict a person's liberty. All I did was provide an example of a time when we obviously restrict people's liberty for other reasons. And then I asked you if you had any idea what those reasons were.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:23 AM
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So why do we have a voting restriction?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:30 PM
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And I would ask the same question. When is it reasonable to restrict a person's freedom of choice in dating and marriage? If you want to defer to the law, there's 4 states with no minimum age to marry and two states with a minimum age of 15. All other states (including Utah surprisingly given Reddit's rhetoric) have a minimum of 16-18.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:39 PM
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Are you serious? All of them. Every single time we draw or increase a line that says 'You're not allowed to do this', the youth or more of the youth lose the liberty to do that thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:12 PM
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Sorry but you're talking to someone who's done two years worth of research into various age restrictions. They have basically only ever gone up, and I am not getting any indication that they're planning to stop going up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:06 PM
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I brought it up because it falls outside of your (and another person's now) definition of when it's reasonable to restrict another person's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:29 PM
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You're the second to respond this same way. If that is the only reason to restrict a person's freedom to choose, then why do we have a voting restriction?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:28 PM
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When has giving someone the right to vote taken that right away from someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:27 AM
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So then it could never be reasonable to restrict a person's right to vote as an example. I can't think of anything particularly dangerous about allowing a person to drop their opinion in a ballot box for either anyone else or themselves for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:13 AM
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Having the freedom to decide what’s best for you is key. So then when is it reasonable to restrict a person's right to choose what's best for themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:36 AM
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Well, we will agree to disagree re age of consent. I think it's needed and I agree with 18 as age of consent and with Romeo and Juliet laws. This is a perfectly reasonable take. The only age of consent law I truly give a shit about is the one I grew up with in California, one of only two states in the nation to set a hardline at 18 with no close-in-age exemptions. I care about it because basically everyone I knew growing up could have ended up in this type of predicament. I don't think it's ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:26 AM
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inappropriate gender stereotypes about both men and women. Here. Peruse to your heart's content. Infinite threads with infinite responses. I've seen enough to know what you'll find. You'll be very hard pressed to find even a single grown man who reflects upon his time as young man with an older woman unfavorably. Grown women reflecting upon these types of scenarios is a bit more hit or miss but still leans favorably from what I've seen. Why would the young person be entitled to that when the old…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:31 AM
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Copy-pasting a different response here: You're one of the lucky ones then. Every single time I pose the question, 'What was the conversation about sex and drugs like in your home growing up?' the most frequent answer and the one that shoots straight to the top is the one that reflects my own - 'There wasn't one.'
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:08 AM
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This is a perfectly reasonable take but I want to point out that I'm talking about the exact opposite of this: But that isn't enough for these men or the men who obsessively and repeatedly post about large age gap relationships with 18 to 24 year olds. They demand that everyone must approve of their actions and must not criticize them. Well, they're not entitled to that approval. I am talking about approval for the choices of the young women who choose these engagements. I could throw in approva…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:07 AM
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Nope. Sex ed for me was consent at age 11, how to put on a condom and more consent at age 14, and here's a healthy dose of fearmongering in the form of pictures of dicks and pussies that look like they've had diseases festering for years at age 15.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:59 AM
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At some point we have to decide when a person becomes an adult. There's absolutely a case that could be made that it should be older Please tell me more about how people even older than 18 deserve to lose the legal right to independence as of course raising the Age of Majority would leave them as wards of their parents for even longer into their lives. Despite the actual age puberty ends, bone growth (widening of the shoulders for men and pelvis for women); redistribution of fat (especially in w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:47 AM
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Tell me what your school taught you about going into porn. Or your parents for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:16 AM
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And what exactly is preparing young people to make their own decisions? Is the earth revolving around the sun taking care of that? Where's the education for our girls about whether or not they should go into porn, start an OnlyFans, or simply celebrate their 18th bdays by posting their nudes either here or here? (Both NSFW) Where's the education for our boys about whether or not it's a good idea to join the military the second they start getting hounded by recruiting officers? Where's the educat…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:02 AM
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My issue is that public perception precedes legislation. We can look at weed as an example. Public perception of it evolved way before the law did. When it comes to the liberty of young people, they basically only ever lose. I've seen a not-at-all insignificant number of people calling for the age of consent to raise to 21 (or even 25 in the name of 'brain development') for exactly the reason that everyone seems to perceive 18yos as a bunch of naive little babies who shouldn't be banging whoever…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:36 AM
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are now trying to gaslight me as if you meant it to refer to a legal adult all along I don't think she actually lives in either of those places. I'm not trying to gaslight you. I'm trying to get a sense of just how deeply-rooted your perception that 18 = adult goes. If 16 = adult instead does that change your perception of the engagement? How does the idea of some random 16yo fucking a 50yo in Scotland hit you? Does it matter at all? I have no doubt though you're going to take all of those state…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:12 AM
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the liberties we do have, which are more numerous than most other points in history Not as it pertains to young people. Over the course of time, young people consistently lose more and more liberty, the only notable exception being the voting age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 12:02 AM
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For your example, well first of all a 16-year-old isn't a "woman" so let's start there. Let's take the hypothetical then that she lives in either Cuba or Scotland where the Age of Majority is 16. All good? This entire post is a contrived strawman in order to portray women as unreasonable. Your perception of what I'm doing here is way off. This is a sincere question to women as to how they would balance the freedom and security of other women. What steps should be in place before a woman (or girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 11:27 PM
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And to be clear, this example would be illegal in the jurisdictions where many of the users here live, including you. 'Many' is probably true depending on individual perception of the word but the majority of our states (31/50) set the age of consent at 16 and the vast majority of the world sets it at 16 or less, so it's far more likely than not that any individual person reading this lives in a jurisdiction in which the presented scenario is legal. a woman has the ultimate right to do what she …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:15 PM
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I'm not sure if this is a rhetorical question. Though the age of consent was initially imposed by men in 1275 in an attempt to prevent a girl from becoming a 'fallen woman' before she could be married off (at the age of 12), its consistent increase over time has always been as a result of women's advocacy in the name of additional security. In fact I just had an argument with a woman in the previous thread who wanted to raise it to 21. I told her if that's what she wants then the age of consent …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:12 PM
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We also deem them and 18 year old men to be too young to drink This is a failure of our society. When just about every other country on the planet can turn out 18yos they expect to be able to drink responsibly and we can't that reflects poorly on us in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:51 PM
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By law we should have some sort of age of consent to protect our most vulnerable. With Romeo and Juliet exceptions (17 and 16 okay. 25 and 16 no.). My preference would be 18, allowing for two years either side. So 16 year olds can have sex with their peers but certainly not older. Responding to your edit here. That all sounds fine to me. Everyone has their own opinion of what close-in-age exemptions should look like. Personally I like Canada's law quite a bit. They're one of the countries that h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:07 PM
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Because it's the most extreme example I'm aware of of someone making an extremely liberated choice right at the very line of liberation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:35 PM
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It's 18 here. I just didn't understand why you were asking. A person under 18 is considered a minor regardless of the age of consent as that is derived from the Age of Majority. But let's say she was 18 instead of 16 when the relationship started. Would that change your personal opinion of the arragement? Do you think everyone here calling him a pedophile and a groomer would all of a sudden have different opinions?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:26 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:11 PM
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Somebody who's clearly put a lot more thought into this than I have has sent me like 20 questions he wants asked via messaging. I'll leave him anonymous and leave his questions here: If 18-year-old women are legally empowered to vote, join the military, take out loans, and make life-altering decisions, why are they considered incapable of consenting to relationships with older men? Does this not infantilize them and contradict the concept of equality? If women reject the idea of arranged marriag…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:09 PM
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You can... Have this thing... Called reasonable middle grounds. Ah-meigh-zhing Literally exactly what I asked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:03 PM
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are you saying arranged marriages are security? To a certain extent, absolutely. At least in theory, nobody is looking out for your best interests in a more significant way than your parents and they have the life experience to judge a potential partner in a more accurate way than a young woman will be able to the majority of the time. That said, I'm not claiming that either of the scenarios I presented are favorable. Only that I'm slightly annoyed with what I perceive to be the general stance o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 07:57 PM
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You're either trolling or you're a new daughter dad who's in for a rude awakening in about 16 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 07:09 AM
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Are you trolling? Wtf does 'normal circumstances' mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 06:34 AM
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This isn't just about women. I mean if you want it be then the age of consent can go back to applying only to girls as it did from its inception in 1275 all the way into the 1900s. As the legislation is currently written, you wanting to raise the age of sexual liberation to 21 restricts the liberty of men too and no 20yo man needs a law in place to prevent him from accidentally banging the wrong person. Also I'm not anti-feminist. Also you didn't answer the question. Edit: Clarity
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 05:41 AM
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They can still be with each other. Sorry to circle back to this but I thought of a different line to take: Do you think you ought to have more say in an 18-20yo person's sexual and/or romantic choices than they do themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 04:17 AM
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Thanks for your response. I asked because of a relationship I was aware of when I was a young person myself that I talked about a bit more in this comment here. She had to keep her relationship on the downlow at first (she was 16 when they met) and even though in her case it worked out the impression I get is that the youth are never in a more precarious spot than when society has given them reason to have their romantic encounters in secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:53 PM
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It used to be that folks started working as soon as they could hold a shovel. And a lot of young people (myself included when I was one for that matter) would love to start working and earing their own money but whoops we decided to draw a line that says they aren't allowed to do that. Don't act like this has been solely some sort of consequence of progress. Every line we draw that restricts the liberty of young people further marginalizes them. We never needed to draw a line that says they're n…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:11 PM
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This.. Lifespans are lengthening ..is piss-poor justification for this: and so are humans’ neonate periods.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:05 PM
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No, its because they are immature No, it's because they're inexperienced. That's a 40-page study investigating whether age or experience has more of an impact on driving ability. On point after point after point, experience comes back on top. Which of course makes way more logical sense than supposing that someone could just wait until they're older as a means to get better at literally anything. Seriously change your username. It's embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 10:54 PM
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This strikes me as A+ parenting. I have an honest question for you and I do not know what the answer is. It's just something I've been theorizing about. Let's take the hypothetical that your daughter does in fact prefer older men. Is she better off engaging in her first relationship when she's 18 and off to college/out of the house/on her own or is she better off engaging while she's still within your purview and has the benefit of your guidance?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 10:45 PM
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In my opinion, the only point worth debating from a logical standpoint is this: Does an 18yo have the agency to make their own sexual and romantic decisions or do they not?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:18 PM
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In that case I suppose the 19th amendment is still up for debate as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:48 PM
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Prefrontal cortex develops individually along with an individual's experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:47 PM
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Every young person who's ever lost the liberty to do anything is a victim of a society that perpetually infantilizes and marginalizes people further and further into their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:41 PM
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Okay, so now a woman who's probably known for years that she'd like to fuck older men has to wait until she's 21 to start doing so. Which means she gets to wait until she's 21 to start learning how to navigate those types of relationships. Which means, just as I stated in the other comment chain, that the age at which a person appears too naive to engage in certain behavior increases right along with the age restriction. And once 21 appears too naive, everyone will be saying she should wait unti…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:34 PM
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That's only one side of the coin. The other side is that 18-20yos lose the liberty to engage whoever the like in sexual activity. Do they deserve that loss of liberty or do they not?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:17 PM
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I can tell you've put a lot of critical thought into this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:48 PM
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Why do you think 18-20yos deserve to lose the liberty to vote?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:45 PM
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You mean you want the age of literally everything to go up to 21? Voting? Driving?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:42 PM
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Ah, gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:17 PM
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You're nowhere near smart enough to have the username 'alwaysright'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:16 PM
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Okay well that's exactly what's been happening all throughout the course of history as the age of fuckin everything only ever goes up. Turns out all you do when you back up the age at which a person is allowed to engage in certain behavior is back up the age at which they're allowed to make stupid fucking decisions and learn from them. And so the age at which a person appears too young/vulnerable/stupid/whatever just keeps increasing right along with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:14 PM
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I think I’ve seen more debates about relationships with large age gaps since I started using Reddit…then I’ve seen actual relationships with large age gaps in my entire life. I'm aware of three of these that I'll leave here as objectively as possible for you guys to analyze. Could be interesting to have your guys' perspectives. I knew a girl in high school who had gotten started with sex and relationships in middle school at 12-13. By 16 she had a well above average amount of experience with bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:11 PM
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The impact that has on you (or anyone) is purely psychological.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:01 PM
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If you raised the age of adulthood to 21, all that would happen is that 21 would be the new age at which everyone is perceived as a naive little baby who has no business making their own sexual and romantic choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:58 PM
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The idea that ever having casual sex eliminates a woman from being "taken seriously for relationships" is straight out of fantasyland We're in 100% agreement here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 01:53 AM
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Women don't actually talk like this Visitor here, came by this thread from him posting the same thing elsewhere, but they absolutely do. I've asked if a woman was interested in something casual and gotten essentially that exact response multiple times. Some variation of 'I've put that behind me.'
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 01:40 AM
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