Local_Challenge_4958 Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

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1	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" Mens rights and feminism are literally opposites. I very strongly disagree with this statement, and see it as core to our disagreement. Further conversation may not be productive.	/r/MensRights	16/01/24 12:47 AM
0	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" I'm a man, and a feminist, and a men's right advocate, and none of these ideas are in conflict. There will be extremists everywhere man. It's the internet. You can't judge concepts by the extremists who half-understand them. Concepts have to stand on their own merit.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 11:15 PM
-1	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" To them all the men of the world came together and decided to oppress women because.....God made them evil I guess. I've never seen anyone seriously suggest this, or anything in your second paragraph. This seems more like lashing out than a substantive point.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 11:04 PM
1	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" I didn't suggest you'd like the answers, just that they're written elsewhere. If.you have further points to discuss, I'm open to that, I just don't want to copy-paste comments. Also I don't know how to view my old comments to copy-paste them.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 08:40 PM
0	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" I think you will see many of the answers you want here in my other discussions on this post.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 07:03 PM
1	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" I think you will see many of the answers you wan	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 07:02 PM
2	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" We dint live in a patriarchy by unspoken tradition. I very strongly disagree with this statement.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 05:12 PM
1	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" They're put down because they don't meet the societal standard of "manly." See also, the homeless, the drug addicted, the disadvantaged (economically, physically, mentally, etc).	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 04:57 PM
1	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" Consider that there is "toxic" masculinity and "beneficial" masculinity. My pulling a two-inch splinter out of myself, smiling at my children to show them it's okay, and then performing some basic first aid is all beneficial masculinity. My father refusing to go see a doctor while dying on my couch of heart disease because he did not want to "be a burden" is toxic masculinity. It is toxic because it helps no one, and is masculinity because it was culturally engrained in him to not seek help.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 04:54 PM
1	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" To edit a post on mobile, there's should be three dots immediately to the left of the little "reply" arrow. On your comment, hit those three dots, and the menu should have the option to edit. If you don't see that, scroll down. If it's still not there, you probably selected someone else's comment. Thank you very much! Yet for a long time, even to today, we are told that they are unhealthy because it's not what we've found to be healthy for women. I believe that any societal expectations of wheth…	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 04:51 PM
-1	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" Yes, I'm saying society suggests they are weak. That core to my premise.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 04:49 PM
-2	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" That you call them weak implies patriarchy. I am not a weak man. I cried at the Eras tour for like a solid hour. Those two things are both true. I'm not going to apologize for loving my wife and daughter, nor for showing that emotion. Society has an issue with that, and the only reason I don't catch shit is that I am a large, tattooed man who looks dangerous. That I need to visually depict myself a certain way to be shielded from criticism is indeed patriarchy and harmful to men.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 04:38 PM
1	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" Toxic masculinity is nothing I herent to masculinity or manliness. The strongest, most societally-approved-masculine in Saudi Arabia hold hands, kiss one another, and openly weep. The suppression of emotion in other countries is a negative externality of culture, and criticism of it is not a criticism of manliness. You cannot fight for men's rights in, say, divorce proceedings, and not understand that those proceedings are biased because they assume the woman is societally weak and the man is so…	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 04:36 PM
-4	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" I don't know how to edit a most on the reddit app (I'm new to reddit - is this even possible?) so I apologize for the double post of that is a faux pas. For example, just because men don't express or process emotions the same way as women do - and they don't - doesn't mean it's unhealthy. The methods in which men in certain countries express themselves (or worse, don't) is indeed unhealthy. Look at kens attitudes towards crying in the US vs Middle East, for instance. Two societies with a history…	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 04:33 PM
0	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" considered to have greater authority Yes. Considered more valuable Yes. What do you think I'm missing?	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 04:29 PM
0	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" I do agree that words are misused quite frequently. I can see how you'd have frustrations with many misused of "patriarchy" specifically.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 04:19 PM
1	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" It's an accurate description of the social framework and it's historical influence on policies and emotions today.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 04:10 PM
0	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" I'd argue yes, absolutely.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 04:10 PM
-8	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" I don't see anyone saying maleness/masculinity is poisonous. Our culture instead has developed externalities that harm men, which are poisonous. Men's suicide rates, due to seeking mental health treatment being viewed as "unmanly," for instance. Men don't rule over women in a sexist way. Instead, our society elevates men over women and has different expectations and tolerances of men over women. That is harmful to both sexes - see my "divorce" arguments above.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 04:06 PM
-12	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" I don't see how these things are perceived as negatives? Dissolving the cultural expectations of men is freeing to them.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 03:46 PM
0	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" How is what I said in bad faith? These are accurate statements.	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 03:27 PM
-19	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" Patriarchy suggests that strong men are successful, and deserve rewards, while weak men become drug-addicted homeless, or end up in prison, or commit suicide, and do not deserve even pity. It suggests that men will be "fine" after a divorce, that they'll be stronger than their environment, that they don't need help or social services. "Be a man, clean yourself up" etc. It's the same essence as the meme in the OP - and part of the reason to tear the cultural institution down. Not sure why this bo…	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 03:01 PM
-10	All roads lead to "Patriarchy" His take misdefined "patriarchy." Patriarchy exists through unspoken tradition - it's a cultural, not a legal, thing. For instance, any woman can run for President. Many people, regardless of gender, will vote against a woman for being a woman. This is because of the social inertia of always seeing men in positions of power. Patriarchy as a concept is sexist against everyone - it's the same reason that, say, divorce proceedings and child custody typically favor women. It's bad all around, in a w…	/r/MensRights	15/01/24 02:57 PM