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| 1 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?If everyone else is an asshole, you might be the asshole. Nah. The people who are assholes in this discussion are people who are assholes. Everybody in life deserves to know they are the biological parent of a child if they are going to raise it. Fuck your feelings. If you argue against that, even if you are in the thousands, you are the asshole. No ground given. It was a great weekend. I don't know if its said sarcastically or not, but any weekend I can see my friends, get drunk and spend all n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/23 07:44 AM |
| 1 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?Yes, literally everyone in this thread that disagrees with you is a narcissist The disagreeing isn't what makes them a narcissist. Their reasoning is what makes them one. "But what about my feelings?" is a narcisstic answer when discussing something like parental certainty. I would hope that some girls in this thread would be able to set aside their own personal feelings and realize it's not about that and look at the bigger scope. There are a few answers from women like it, and for those women … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/23 10:50 AM |
| 1 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?saying you can understand it hurts being accused if you are innocent It's because it shouldn't be viewed like that, and those that view it like that are caught up in their own feelings. Making the issue of parental certainty for men all about them. How is that not narcisstic? "I know I wont ever know what it's like to experience parental uncertainty, and I know there's a way you can find out, but what about my feelings on it? Can't you see its accusing me of cheating? How dare you? Take your tes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/23 10:12 AM |
| 0 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?but you don't get to dictate how someone should feel when you accuse an innocent person of cheating while they are feeling extremely vulnerable after making huge sacrifices A person's feelings shouldn't supersede the issue of parental certainty, period. I will call self centered behaviour exactly that. You're free to be self centered, but that also comes with being called on it. Aside from that, I am discussing why it should become a social norm if people care about equality. Maybe you'll be hit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/23 09:11 AM |
| 0 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?Nope, women have to take other people's word for it the same as men What a completely bogus disingenuous and bad faith argument to try and draw parallels from. First off it is a womans choice as to how she gives birth. Second off if she wishes to confirm the DNA of her child afterwards that is also her choice. You want a paternity test, equality mandates a maternity test. Genuinely can't believe someone is trying to argue this. It's comical. Most women don't want a maternity test because the kid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/23 07:34 AM |
| -1 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?But you can't force how women will respond to it. I'm saying the cultural perspective on it needs to shift. It's outdated. Too many women are being self centered on this, thinking on the micro levels instead of the macro. You are talking about self proclaimed feelings police, but ignoring the browbeating those feelings are causing. What you're proposing is essentially strongarming men to accept it on the basis of faith, by holding the relationship hostage. Say what you will, dress it up in whate… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/23 07:28 AM |
| 1 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?There can't be any "equality" surrounding pregnancy and birth so long as men can't get pregnant because it can't be made equal There can be equality between the sexes regarding parental certainty. The means to confirm it for men now exists. Anybody that considers themselves someone that champions equality between the sexes, should have absolutely no problem recognizing a mans right to have parental certainty if the means to do so exists. It's not like women are being advantaged. We're not talkin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/23 07:19 AM |
| 1 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?Ofc no woman wants to be accused of cheating If a woman cares more about taking personal offence over a man's right to know if it's their kid, they are displaying characteristics of being self centered. Precisely because i have integrity i will not allow my fidelity to be questioned That isn't integrity, that is taking personal offence. Integrity on this subject would be focusing upon the wider scope of it - There are men in society who get fooled into raising kids that aren't their own. Do you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/23 03:17 AM |
| 2 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?That's micro thinking. Macro thinking is to do with equality regarding paternity. It's interesting seeing how many women in this thread think their feelings matter more than equality on it. Yet I bet most would say they champion equality between the sexes. Obviously that takes a back seat when it's not women benefitting from it. Their feelings matter more. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/23 10:09 PM |
| 1 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?The status quo on this subject won't change if that view is kept that a mans right to paternity is about trust. The next generation of women will take your stance that it's about trust, and the next generation and so on. How do you expect society to change if a man's right to paternity is constantly overshadowed by trust? It only changes when women start stepping up and adhering to the equality that they've been wanting for so long. It goes both ways. Do you believe in equality? Do you have inte… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/23 09:39 PM |
| 2 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?Men just don't seem to want to live with the natural consequences Stop. That is not equality. That is a woman that is concerned with her own micro feelings on the matter, over the macro societal equality. She doesn't value equality in that case. If the women actually values equality, she isn't going to be concerned over the micro since her perspective has shifted - she isn't looking at it from the perspective of one being accused of being cheated on - her perspective is that of a man has every r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/23 09:12 PM |
| 4 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?One other possibility that exists that you didn't mention is that a societal/cultural shift occurs and women start supporting men's right to find out at birth themselves. No government intervention necessary. Since the perspective has shifted and women support men finding out at birth, women no longer will feel offended if a man asks, since he doesn't need to ask since she supports his right to do so at birth. In fact, she'll want him to find out. After all, most women support equality. This is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/23 08:57 PM |
| 4 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?Make testing mandatory at birth. It should be mandatory, but until it is, the next best thing we can ask for is a cultural shift towards accepting it is okay for men to ask. In fact I'll do one step further and say that women should start adopting the mindset that it should be a mans right at birth. If that mindset is adopted, there won't be a need to ask, and a woman won't feel offended since she wants her man to know he's the father and supports his right to find out at birth. Women wouldn't l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/23 08:37 PM |
| 1 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?The principle matters more. We have the means to completely eradicate paternity uncertainty for males. That is a feat and a half that hasn't ever been possible in the history of humanity. This is something that should no longer exist in society, if you get down to it. The tools are there. The only reason it exists - is because of women who care more about their own personal feelings being affronted rather than society at large. So they strongarm men into still accepting it based on faith rather … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/23 08:06 PM |
| 1 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?If the perspective is changed - it is no longer an accusation. If there is a cultural shift to accept that men shouldn't have to operate on the basis of faith when science can easily verify it (we don't do this with anything else unless you're religious), it is no longer an accusation. It is something that men and women would agree on that every father should have a right. Yet it does, because women care more about the affront rather than care about the bigger societal issue of men having a righ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/23 07:48 PM |
| 7 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?The bigger picture is that my particular situation doesn't cast any doubt about the paternity. So why hurt my feelings for free? The bigger picture is that paternity uncertainty is a society wide issue. We have the technology to eradicate it completely. It should no longer exist. Doing science doesn't hurt molecule's feelings. Pick a better analogy. It is not an analogy. It is actually what is being asked of men - To have faith that the kid is theirs, even though science can completely verify th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/23 07:24 PM |
| 8 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?You're too busy focusing on your own feelings rather than focusing on the bigger picture - paternity uncertainty for men. It's the biggest things that scares men that want kids. We've now reached an age where it's possible to be ruled out completely thanks to science and technology. It's something that there should be a cultural shift towards to eradicate, yet it's not purely because of the thing you're talking about - the affront women take to the idea they cheated on someone. And so the focus … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/23 06:49 PM |
| 9 | Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender?There's no reason a man shouldn't have a paternity test in modern age without you getting hurt by it. Honestly they should be mandatory. If your feelings on this matter trumph a man who's expected to raise a kid for 18 years when there is a scientific way to show it's his kid - If we put ones feelings against the other - The mans wins no contest. If you are incapable of seeing that, work on your empathy. This shouldn't be a discussion in modern age. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/23 06:28 PM |
| – | Sex too early in a relationship, ruins your relationship.Is the access to sex equal between the sexes? You're applying this weird standard that is somehow implying that both sexes have equal access. Your view would hold weight in a world where both sexes have equal access to sex, but they don't. That is not the world we live in. The world we live in, is where women control access to sex. That is a perk, but it is also a responsibility and yes, women will be judged on how they handle that responsibility. Not that I don't think this guys view is off con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/23 12:27 PM |
| 1 | CMV : if you do not maximise your looks potential close to the limit you should not complain about datingI count 5 lmao within 3 sentences. Pretty cringe. On point, nobody said most non fat men are with fat women. Just that they have more pull than most men. Buddy just take a trip onto IG, you'll see women who are fat post thirst trap pics and receive hundreds to thousand of likes. I dated fat women when I was a fat guy myself, they can replace you the same week if you finish up no problem. You don't like fat women, I've got plenty of bros like you, but you are simply clueless on this topic because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/23 07:46 AM |
| 1 | CMV : if you do not maximise your looks potential close to the limit you should not complain about datingThis is the case with a lot of countries. It's the same in the UK, and while fat women are generally less desired than in shape women, they still have far more pull than almost all men, especially if that fat goes to their T&A, you will find tons of men going after these girls. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/23 07:24 AM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionI don't think everyone rationalizes their bias. Rejecting someone who is unattractive is fine. Demonizing them for attempting to make a pass isn't fine. Showing contempt isn't fine. Nor is acting like the sun shines out of an attractive persons ass. There's plenty of stories around of attractive people of getting rejected and handling it terrible since they are unaccustomed to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 07:14 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionAnother strawman to deflect from being confronted with your cognitive bias. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 07:01 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionIt isn’t cognitive bias because attraction is subjective. Your rationality is what is showing cognitive bias. I feel like I'm speaking to a toddler. Now I have to link rationality to break it down even further. Rationale - a set of reasons or a logical basis for a course of action or belief. What does this have to do with cognitive bias? Cognitive Bias - A cognitive bias is a systematic error in thinking Such as oh I don't know, things like: Attractive people are likely to gauge mutual attractio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 06:57 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionAttractive people are likely to gauge mutual attraction, whereas their social opposite apparently doesn't give a flying fuck if his attention is wanted, he's going to plow ahead with a proposition anyway and lose his shit when rejecte Again, more halo/horns effect and cognitive bias. Cognitive Bias - A cognitive bias is a systematic error in thinking that occurs when people are processing and interpreting information in the world around them and affects the decisions and judgments that they make… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 06:40 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionSpeaking of, lack of emotional intelligence and empathy is precisely what I'm arguing here. The two approaches are not comparable becasue the difference is wanted attention vs unwanted attention, meanwhile you want a just world where both unwanted and wanted men are given equal chance at a "resource". You're still arguing strawmans. They're not going to be addressed. The attractive man likely has more social experience and has a reasonable expectation that if his smile is returned, he has a dece… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 06:14 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionQuadripling down it is, sigh. A complete lack of attraction and a lack of romantic or sexual interest in unappealing people isn’t negative thinking, it’s typical thinking. The rationality behind attractive men only pursuing women they 'know' are interested and unattractive men being 'clueless' is a great example of your cognitive bias. There is no attractive men 'knowing' girls are mutually interested in them, nor are unattractive males 'clueless'. Those rationalities you've provided are example… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 05:43 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionI'm not wanting you to say anything. What I would like if you're asking, is for you to have some actual introspection into what I just said. As I said, it's not a coincidence your positive/negative perfectly align with halo/horns. You can actually change it if you try to be objective. You saw my answer. It wasn't describing anything positive or negative, just observing the facts for what they are and stripping away the positive and negative thinking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 05:20 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionWhat aren't you getting? It's not me that's not getting it. It's you that doesn't understand your own biased thinking. Let me show you. successful people hit on those they already know are mutually interested. Here we have an example of rationality which is a positive bias towards attractive men. They just "get it" and are more "socially there" which is why they hit only on people they "know" are mutually interested. This is biased positive rationality towards someone. Essentially, the halo effe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 05:04 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionYou are doing EXACTLY as I said about bias above. This is biased thinking regarding POSITIVE attributes towards attractive people and NEGATIVE attributes towards unattractive people. How clueless can you be not to see that? What is the halo effect? What is the horns effect? Look at what you said about positive people. Look at what you said about negative people. Notice how it incredibly aligns with said biased perceptions? Isn't that just convienent?!?!!!? Just how it magically aligns with what … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 04:19 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionAgain, and again and again, successful people hit on those they already know are mutually interested. No, they don't. I explained the fallacy in your reasoning here already. Take a telling. If most attractive people are going to be met with positive reception, as in 98/100 would say Yes if that attractive person hit on them, they aren't hitting on people they "know" are mutually interested. They are just getting better results. An unattractive person might be the inverse, with only 2/100 saying … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 04:13 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionI said they should be logical and pursue mutually interested people, like everyone else does. In dating context pursue means for males to be the ones to initiate or make a move on women. Men pursue women, women are pursued. That's the dating dynamics we live in. Which obviously means that in order to find out if someone is mutually interested or not, they need to hit on them. Are you sure? Because you certainly bristled You're imagining it. I've been on the very low end of the spectrum of attrac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 04:00 PM |
| – | Why is the fact that men will fuck anything used as an insult towards women?Because women brag about getting laid like they are men and build their egos around it, specifically women who get fucked by attractive males. They conflate it with their worth in what they can get in a male relationship wise, so they start looking down at their male counterpart equivalents in contempt. But men will fuck a hole in the couch if they are horny enough in the right context, it's nothing to brag about or develop an ego about or think that translates into a relationship. All women can… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 03:47 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionThey aren't able to get dates, sex, marriage and wild fun experiences if they don't attempt to initiate it. Which you're saying they shouldn't do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 03:39 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionWhich shows how unhinged your views are to think that unattractive men shouldn't attempt to have a dating life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 03:33 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical Attraction...but what you're asking for men to do, 'follow' the mode that attractive men do, is actually what is being done. Let's not stop mid sentence either. In reality, what you're really saying, if you get down to it: is complaining unattractive people have the audacity to hit on women. Just say it already. No need to constantly dance around it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 03:27 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionDude no one is required to "be reasonable" towards people they want zero romantic or sexual attention from. Civility is a thing that isn't dependent upon how attractive someone is. If someone is found unattractive, let's not jump the gun and start calling him a creep just for trying to hit on a woman. That's pretty unreasonable. Someone should be aware of their own bias in that situation and try to be objective as possible to assess wether his actions were creepy or they are just being a bit bia… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 03:16 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionEveryone is biased towards people they find attractive vs the alternative. Every human being, every animal. People are biased to different degrees, and it effects how others treat people in response once they are aware of it. Most people do, and most people pursue people who have shown interest rather than people who don't even know they exist. Baseless assertion and completely inaccurate to boot. This isn't how most men behave. Dismissed. The reception is not the same The action is the same t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 03:00 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionNope. I tried and succeeded in justifying the reason people prefer attention from those they find attractive vs those they are not romantically or sexually interested in. Is that what you tell yourself? Lmao. No, you didn't. Your "justification" is cognitive dissonance. You're presented with information that shows that you are biased. Instead of embracing that information, you're creating "justifications" about why you should have that bias. That's known as cognitive dissonance. So why don't uns… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 02:26 PM |
| 1 | New study shows that 5% of men sleep with 66% of young women. Will society destabilize from most men being neglected?Let's not strawman what I said. If you're going to engage with me, engage on what I said honestly. Not a strawman of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 02:21 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionAt what point are PPD men going to understand that mutual physical attraction isn't optional for women? This isn't about PPD men. It's about what you said. You essentially tried to rationalize why attractive people are better than unattractive people. It's cognitive dissonance on full tilt. Interesting to watch. Again, you're conflating a lack of interest with ugliness The horns effect is as well documented as the halo effect. So I'm not confusing anything. You can go read about it. It doesn't m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 02:13 PM |
| 1 | About Looks and Physical AttractionIt should make me "come across" as someone who is familiar with the halo effect. But it doesn't. It makes you come across as someone that is shallow. There is also the horns effect. It's not just halo, which is the point I'm trying to make. Too many people focus upon the positive aspects of the attraction bias and completely ignore the negative aspects, which you're doing just now. If someone is viewed as unattractive, they are also more likely to be perceived in a negative manner. Creepy, arrog… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 01:47 PM |
| 2 | About Looks and Physical AttractionPeople prefer romantic and sexual attention from people they are attracted to, and attractive people often have a lifetime of positive social interactions and consequently learn the difference between welcome and unwelcome attention. Source for this? Because your conclusion seems like cognitive dissonance without a source. You're actually trying to rationalize bias on looks. Amazing. How do you think that makes you come across? Based on the number of women reporting threatening, insulting behavi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 01:24 PM |
| 2 | About Looks and Physical AttractionLooks influence someone else's perception of personality. How someone tries to come across can be completely influenced by how attractive someone else finds them. Attractive people are more likely to be thought of in a positive manner, unattractive people are more likely to be thought of in a negative manner. Meaning looks even factors into personality perceptions itself. A lot of people have inaccurate perceptions about others. Someone smiling can be interpreted as charming or creepy based upon… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 11:22 AM |
| 3 | Single mothers lie about having raised their standards after having a baby?In some cases yes, in some cases no. It is dependent upon the father. Some attractive unemployed deadbeat drunk who dgaf about their kid isn't going to be considered a better man, even if he's a few points higher in attractiveness. In that context, a woman has in fact raised her standards and stopped just going on pure physical attraction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 08:53 AM |
| 6 | A thought about male empowerment vs female empowerment.The expectations women have towards men are significantly higher than the other way about. Women date dynamically, not statically. They want above average, in every metric. The more metrics a guy ticks off, the more attractive he's found. To be above average isn't easy. It takes work and effort and dedication. So a mans height, income, dick size, body shape, personality and other things I've probably missed all require extreme amounts of work, and sometimes the guy either has it, or he doesn't, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 08:41 AM |
| 5 | New study shows that 5% of men sleep with 66% of young women. Will society destabilize from most men being neglected?It's not a matter of forced. But I do believe women should stop being gassed up by society/culture, and it should come down on women like a ton of bricks with their expectations and attitudes. Society has done it to men, and I see no problem with it. If it can be done to men, it can be done to women. Every girl being gassed up thinking she's a 10, perfect the way she is, women can do no wrong and that every girl deserves an above average guy does have actual effects into how a lot of women view … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 07:33 AM |
| 1 | CMV : why can’t it be true that far less men are objectively attractive than women?Nah it's not true. it's completely the opposite in fact. Fat women tend to be the girls with the highest double standards and most unrealistic expectations. The whole fat acceptance movement focuses on women, not on fat people. That should tell you a thing or two. Any fat girl with cups C or D or a frumpy ass can post a thirst trap pic online, receive a few hundred to thousand likes and have men slip into their dms, both fat and fit. Good luck doing the same as a fat dude. They might as well be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/23 04:43 AM |
| 6 | CMV : why can’t it be true that far less men are objectively attractive than women?That's because you're basing the pickiness in a world where mens ability to looksmaxx is hard to do. Most of it comes from bodybuilding. Maybe surgery. Clothes/beard/haircut is about as far as men can do for accessories/cosmetics. Women have make up on top of that, a higher selection of clothes tailored towards highlighting their most visually appealing attributes towards males. Perhaps things might change if there wasn't a stigma around males using accessories/cosmetics. But a man wearing make … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/23 05:42 PM |
| 5 | CMV : why can’t it be true that far less men are objectively attractive than women?Beards do help men out facially, but beards come with their own issues. Not everyone can grow one, and even for men who can, there may be patches where it doesn't connect properly for a symmetrical look, as well as the color of the beard. Beards aren't always in style either. From my memories in the 90s-10s, most women preferred men who were clean shaven. Beards were considered scruffy looking. I'm not disagreeing with your point, there is some truth to it, but there's a lot of subtext involved … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/23 05:33 PM |
| 5 | CMV : why can’t it be true that far less men are objectively attractive than women?But it’s not. No shit. Are we just stating obvious things? It's a hypothetical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/23 05:11 PM |
| 9 | CMV : why can’t it be true that far less men are objectively attractive than women?In that scenario they'd still be judged compared to other Women who no longer wear makeup. So it'd all balance out We're talking about in contrast to men. Not other women. There would be far less simping involved for women who aren't significantly hot naturally. Make up inflates that value to a significant degree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/23 05:09 PM |
| 10 | CMV : why can’t it be true that far less men are objectively attractive than women?Both sexes use clothes, and while girls do have an advantage in the type of clothes catered to them that highlights their attributes better, at least men can still have some alternative to use. Men don't really have any alternative to make up. Also this comparison is comparing the two as if they are are equal. Make up can dramatically increase someone's attractive level. I'd say done well, at least 3 points. I've seen make up videos where the use of skillful appliance completely transforms them … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/23 05:06 PM |
| 26 | CMV : why can’t it be true that far less men are objectively attractive than women?If make up would be removed from the world tomorrow, a lot of gassed up woman surrounding their looks would have a very sobering up experience about objective attractiveness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/23 04:55 PM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenImagine responding to a 3 day old topic to call someone a creep. You sound socially inept. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/23 01:14 PM |
| 12 | 18 to 24-year-old individuals who reported no sexual activity in the past year increased among men (but not among women)Not surprisingly, men have little to say about that I feel I'm stating the obvious here, but why would men have anything to say about that? It's their choice not to. Or do you think women are incapable of having sex if they want to? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/23 12:48 PM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenYes. I posted things that happened. Those are examples. "Nu uh" isn't a response. You can't say I didn't experience them. You can argue in bad faith that I'm making them up. But they are factual things that occurred in my life or to people around me. Nor did any of your posts refute at all that men are the ones that are the primary sex to be a victim of criminal activity. All you did was point to speculative reasons which may explain why men are more likely to experience being the victim of a cr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/23 06:45 AM |
| 1 | Real dating life is closer to Instagram/YouTube than it is to reddit.Peer pressure doesn't work on me. Your initial premise is wrong, and wrong follows wrong. It's pointless for me to do the rest of an equation when the start of it is 2+2=58. There's never going to be a correct result if the start is incorrect. I'm bowing out now, said all I needed to say. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/23 03:40 AM |
| 1 | Real dating life is closer to Instagram/YouTube than it is to reddit.I'm not interested in continuing the discussion further other than correcting you on what Misandry is classified as under the dictionary definition, which is how our society defines it as. You were claiming something else at the time. I tried to help you understand why even if you see it differently, the rest of society will still view you as a misandrist, and to me it seemed like you're performing cognitive dissonance to rationalize your Misandrist PoV. Other than that, the rest of your posts I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/23 03:36 AM |
| 1 | Real dating life is closer to Instagram/YouTube than it is to reddit.I gave you them. You seem to be under some confusion here. This isn't up for discussion. There are several dictionary website you can use to find out what Misandry means. They will all tell you the same thing in more or less the same words. This isn't open to discussion. You are simply incorrect on what misandry means. There is no studies or research needed for the definition of a word. You are incorrect on the matter. Adjust your position and stop trying to argue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/23 03:28 AM |
| 1 | Real dating life is closer to Instagram/YouTube than it is to reddit.Sure can. Any dictionary definition will point out to you what misandry is classified as in our society. The goalpost is staying exactly where it is, thank you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/23 03:24 AM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenThey aren’t. There are more men in dangerous spaces doing dangerous things. That’s how it works. Super simple. ...which I provided several examples to point out that your claim is stupid. That's also how it works. Even more simple. Where is your god now, feminism? What does she say? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/23 03:20 AM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenNo one has to be “an authority figure on it” to apply logic and reason. The supporting stats for male vs female behavior are available to anyone, novice or expert. And no one has to be an authority to dismiss your anecdotes in favor of evidence. You weren't applying logic and reason. You were making a claim that men aren't in danger of violence for merely existing. I provided several examples of men being attacked purely on the basis that they were men. Singled out, targeted, with females there,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/23 03:11 AM |
| 1 | Real dating life is closer to Instagram/YouTube than it is to reddit.I already discussed this earlier -- misogyny is a tool of the patriarchy. No, misogyny by definition is the same as misandry, but applied to women. You have your own interpretation of things. But understand you're still going to be viewed as a misandrist by most of society, even if you can fool your own self your bigotry is in fact not bigotry. Society operates under the definition I provided. Not yours. So according to society, you are in fact a misandrist. Even if you don't think you are due t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/23 02:20 AM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenI read your anecdotes and dismiss them Dismissing things that go against all of your speculations, ah, well I totally wasn't expecting that to happen. You're not an authority figure on it, so wether you dismiss them or not has no bearing on the discussion. I'm just providing examples that go against your earlier claim that men don't experience violence for existing. They do. Males are far more likely to experience violence compared to women. Women have no choice but to avoid danger That's intere… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/23 02:15 AM |
| 3 | Real dating life is closer to Instagram/YouTube than it is to reddit.You don't need to live in any type of society to hold misandrist views. Misandry just means prejudicial/bigoted views towards men. It's the dictionary definition, it's what most people view it in society as. Anybody who tries to then add on other qualifiers, is just using their own cognitive bias to rationalize their own bigotry as acceptable. You can fool yourself, but you're not going to fool other people. They will still view you as a misandrist even if you yourself have convinced yourself yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/23 01:46 AM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenBecause women don’t go out alone as often, are less likely to abuse substances, less likely to hang out at bars and sporting events alone where the likelihood of alcohol and aggression is the norm, and women take precautions and avoid dangerous spaces. You have this sheltered stereotype view of how violence occurs. Probably from consuming too much media. All dark alleyways where someone is alone with another in the middle of the night or bar room brawls and lads fighting in the streets after a f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/23 01:09 AM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenMen are more likely to abuse substances, to take public transportation at night, to travel alone in crime ridden areas, to participate in gang activities, to take risks. I can tell you I live in Glasgow, UK. I don't know a single guy that hasn't been attacked at somepoint in their life. I myself have been attacked 3 times. 1 of them was verbally defending my girlfriend from 3 women making false accusations towards her, which resulted in men jumping in to defend them and assaulting me. Imagine th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 01:15 PM |
| 2 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenWhy should I? Because women are the ones complaining about being approached in scenarios they don't always want or by men they aren't interested in or ways they don't appreciate. They are essentially complaining about the drawbacks of being the sex that is pursued, while taking the positives for granted. That comes off as entitlement. It's men that have the short end of the stick, and there's no empathy about that or appreciation for the fact that they don't have to deal with risking rejection b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 09:45 AM |
| 2 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenYes. Most women also do not like cold-approaching, especially in places where they are not open to conversation, e.g. when in a parking lot alone at dusk. So convince women to put up or shut up? If they don't like how men do it, do it themselves. "In a parking lot alone at dusk" lmao is this some script for a setting for a shootout or a scenario for a horror movie? Dusk is 6pm-7pm or so. She was just finished work, she knew what time it roughly was because of that. She could have written the tim… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 08:36 AM |
| 3 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenWhy do you think you have the right to social interactions that women state clearly they do not want? Women prefer men pursue by around 90% IIRC. You speak for a very small percentage. Convince women that they should start pursuing men. But you won't be able to. Because it's the harder role in society since it deals with facing rejection or labels such as creep like in this scenario or other negative reactions. Hence why most women opt out and leave it to men. It has it's drawbacks, such as abov… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 08:08 AM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenI'm not saying women shouldn't be guarded or concerned, but there is a limit and too many women these times are not socially well adjusted and let the paranoia take over reason. It's not healthy, and it does create an uneasy/creepy atmosphere for men being around these women. Was my answer to that. Also, the statistics do tie in to this topic. It shows that men are actually the ones more likely at risk, and are not showing the same levels of fear demonstrated by women, even though they are the o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 07:05 AM |
| -1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenYes, I'm better able to defend myself which is a deterrent in itself. According to the statistics, it's not a deterrent. You're flat out wrong there. Don't double down. Men are the primary victims of crimes, particularly violent ones, by strangers. Women lead in sexual assault category, but for everything else, it's males. Stop thinking it's men attacking with fists. Weapons and multiple people or blindside attacks with a weapon don't give a shit about your natural strength over women. You're go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 06:55 AM |
| -1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenI'm not a woman, but I can absolutely see why this is a concern for women. For the average woman, the average man is way stronger, faster and larger than her and a good number of them would have no problem harming her for their own gain. It's not paranoid or unhinged to be scared of strange men acting weird at night. Women have the disgust reaction to creepy behaviour for a reason, it's because it keeps them safe. If you're male, you should probably be having the same concern for yourself in all… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 06:40 AM |
| -1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenWhy is that? Tell us. Why is that? I know your answer. I told you before, I know every opinion you hold already. It comes from the same schoolbook of thought I've had these discussions with over the same 10 years. You don't hold an original opinion in the slightest that I wouldn't find from some feminist rhetoric guidebook. You're transparent. I'll answer though. Men obviously. But let's not shift the goalposts. The goalpost isn't about which sex is more prone to commit criminal activity. The ro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 06:28 AM |
| 0 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenYou’re trying to deflect that men physically are more of a threat to women than women are to men by trying to put men in the same space. I did two things. I pointed out that women are not showing empathy for what it's like to be on the receiving end (pointing out the hypocrisy of what you were complaining about) The other thing is I'm saying that skittish paranoid women aren't socially adjusted because they act like every interaction with a man is a man is out to do them harm. That's also creepy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 02:09 AM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenhahaha such a great ad hominem, too bad it didn't bother addressing anything said lmao. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 01:59 AM |
| -3 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenAre you serious? Having to “be on guard” is something you do when you’re creeped out. Which also applies to creepy ass women. Creepiness is caused with unease. Men feel uneasy around skitterish women who think a simple exchange is enough for her to think of him as a potential murderer. Why the fuck would any man want to be around that? It's creepy as fuck to know someone is thinking such paranoid thoughts about me and an example to their own social flaws. You are too busy focusing on this one sp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 01:38 AM |
| -3 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenSomeone hasn't heard of sex-fear crime paradox. Just come out and say you don't know what you're talking about. Men are the more likely of the sexes to be a victim of a crime by a stranger, yet women are the ones more feared of it, to the point there's now a phrase that describes it in crime literature. Women who are socially not adjusted are creepy as fuck. They make other men feel uneasy in any social setting because any attempt to interact with them in a social environment puts them into a fl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 01:23 AM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenI don't think there's anything wrong with being on guard with strangers. It's perfectly reasonable, even men are on guard with other strange men approaching them. Men after all are the ones statistically more likely to be the victim of a crime by a stranger. But there's a difference between being slightly on guard and thinking that someone is out to get them and also basing it on their attraction levels. That's a bias that has zero basis. What you were initially saying is just applying that horn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 01:01 AM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenThis is literally a good example of men not reading the room & being oblivious to what women go through daily due to them. Flip it around be on the receiving end of such treatment and it also applies to what men experience on the receiving end. I think most reasonable people in that situation would be on guard but not consider it creepy. paranoid women who aren't socially adjusted themselves think every eye contact or attempt to interact is an attempt to kidnap/rape and murder them, which is jus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenYou don't have to face this dilemma, so why are you telling me what to think? Because I've been on the receiving end when I was ugly/obese myself of the type of treatment you get under the horns effect and so I try not to emulate it and call it out where I see it. It's a pretty shit way to treat people if you're going to treat them in a negative way based on no other reasoning than their looks. Go 6 months with this type of behaviour being applied to everything you do and you might change your o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 12:39 AM |
| 1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenYour virtue signalling (such as it is with you going for your preference of tits and ass anyway) Doubling down it is. Perhaps it's because I'm not virtue signaling which is why I gave you that answer. I like T&A, and women on the thicker side tend to have them, so it's what I'm attracted on the visual side generally. I just answered your question since you presumed that I don't date women who are obese. You can keep your biases, it doesn't mean they are correct though. You're just rationalizing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 12:24 AM |
| -1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenWhy should I? Because being biased is a flaw if you know you're doing it and can avoid doing it. Probably best to not to take a rebellious attitude against it. Are you going to get your bias against ugly obese women in check? As a matter of fact most of the women I've dated have been on the obese side since they have the best T&A. If someone is ugly though I try not to be so judgmental based on looks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/23 12:06 AM |
| -2 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenI'm applying biological realities Yes, and I'm telling you that your bias is showing with negative prejudicies. Get it in check. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 11:50 PM |
| 0 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenI'm not omitting anything, I'm just pointing out you are applying halo/horns perception on your rationalization. This answer is still doing it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 11:43 PM |
| -3 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenCreepy can easily be applied to the same women. Men just generally don't tend to use it and it's become a bit of a gendered insult. Personally, I think men should use it and remind those same women of their own creepy behaviour. It would do a lot of good to fixing the situation. Edit: These women are creepy as fuck. Anybody that thinks a simple interaction is someone trying to kill them is on the unhinged/paranoid side. It's not socially adjusted behaviour, and I find it creepy to be around this… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 11:40 PM |
| -1 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenI might get flamed for this but ugly men have a higher likelihood of being desperate to get laid and thus more likely to get violent in order to do so This is just halo and horns effect on your perception. I could easily point out Attractive men are more arrogant and used to getting their way thus unlikely to accept no, while unattractive men are used to rejection so they accept it easier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 11:32 PM |
| 3 | Men are considered creeps not due to their actions, but due to thoughts of womenGoogle the sex-crime fear paradox and you'll have your answer to that. Basically, women tend to feel more fear of being a victim of a crime to a stranger, even though statistically it is more likely to occur to a man. It's why you'll see bogus statements like "Men can go jogging through the night while I can't because I'm a woman" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 11:24 PM |
| 1 | Telling women that looks fade isn't much of a "threat".I do. Frequently. Well I gotta hand it to you, I will give you props grudgingly for at least being consistent in your beliefs. The point I am making is that it is a privilege. It is by far the harder role to ask someone out and deal with potential rejection than it is to be the one that sits there and judges. There are drawbacks, but there are always drawbacks to all things. Rather than sit and complain about the drawbacks, appreciate the positives. Because most women would rather deal with the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 11:02 AM |
| 1 | Telling women that looks fade isn't much of a "threat".Women do approach the men they are interested in. The overwhelmingly majority (80-90% IIRC) of women do not approach men, and prefer men to approach. So since unwanted males are such a big issue, you should convince women to do this role instead. Again, why don't you do that? It solves your issue. Men wouldn't approach you if the onus is on women. And you can just approach the men you want. Issue solved. So why not do it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 10:51 AM |
| – | Telling women that looks fade isn't much of a "threat".It’s been posted dozens of times, but men don’t believe women because misogyny, you know. It's obviously not working then is it? So why don't you take my 2nd option? Just tell women to start approaching. Your issue will be solved that way. Those pesky unwanted men will approach you no longer. So why not do that JNRoberts? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 10:46 AM |
| – | Telling women that looks fade isn't much of a "threat".That's because you are a misandrist. I’d love to run at night, run in the city instead of the boring suburbs and streetlit parks What has being a woman got to do with this? Male attention is wanted when it comes from a wanted male. I suggest you find a way for men to be able to determine what is wanted or not wanted before approaching. Men can't mind read. Better yet convince women to take the lead. I'd love that. Just sit my ass at a bar and have the women approach me so I can judge them on how… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 10:34 AM |
| – | Telling women that looks fade isn't much of a "threat".We all know your misandric PoV on things that any male attention on female is unwanted. I've only been here a few weeks and already know what your stance is on any given subject. Regardless it doesn't change what I'm saying - The halo effect is in play for a lot of youthful women and it will lose it's effect as they get older for most women. That doesn't necessarily mean negative attention, just more indifference as opposed to what they are used to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 10:24 AM |
| – | Telling women that looks fade isn't much of a "threat".Entirely contextual on how women look. Some women who are 40 still look pretty good. You might be one of them. A lot don't, and they do lose a lot of the pretty privilege treatment they used to receive. It's not so much that it's negative treatment women will receive, it's indifference - They become invisible or just another person. They aren't met with as many smiles, they get away with less because people are less tolerant, people are less willing to respond to help them out, tons of little th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 10:00 AM |
| 2 | CMV The Concept of „Male Friends“ as a taken Women is completely ridiculous and if you think logically about it, it makes zero sense, and the manosphere is right about this one.Literally no one who loves their partner will cheat; in a monogamous relationship. Only cheaters will That's circular logic. "If they loved them, they wouldn't cheat. If they cheat, they don't love them." People can cheat even if they love someone. This isn’t hard to understand I understand your PoV. I'm pointing out it's incorrect because it's making absolutist statements. People don't go out of their way to commit theft. But under the right circumstances they might do so, even if they ordinari… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 06:18 AM |
| 0 | CMV The Concept of „Male Friends“ as a taken Women is completely ridiculous and if you think logically about it, it makes zero sense, and the manosphere is right about this one.Sadly, people who will cheat, will always cheat. People who won’t cheat, won’t cheat. The overwhelming majority of people are capable of cheating in the right circumstances. The same as all people are capable of doing other things under the right circumstances. People are human, they will make mistakes or give in to temptation under the right circumstances. It is an unavoidable fact of being human. An absolutist stance of "people will never cheat unless they are cheaters" is idealism. Rather tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 06:00 AM |
| 0 | CMV The Concept of „Male Friends“ as a taken Women is completely ridiculous and if you think logically about it, it makes zero sense, and the manosphere is right about this one.The reasons for both Chad and Sara are the same. People not setting healthy boundaries up to protect/commit to their own relationship and having loose ideas about what commitment means. For those types, commitment just means being monogamous, not physically sleeping with someone else. It's as barebones as it gets, and it's probably those with that barebones attitude that an affair ends up happening at work as a result. This casual attitude that 'cheaters are just gonna cheat', I don't know where… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 05:39 AM |
| 3 | The SAME man can be a nice guy to a woman and a f.boy to another womanI'd say that it's a reflection of people that consume too much media. Which is why it's the younger generation that tends to get caught up in this idea the most. Especially girls that consume too much romance media tend to do so, since that's what their books/shows tend to do, trope characters. Make them one dimensional. Here's bad boy, here's nice guy. Good men can be dominant when needed to be in a sexual or protective manner, believe it or not. Some men play into that, usually the sexual side… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 04:08 AM |
| 3 | CMV The Concept of „Male Friends“ as a taken Women is completely ridiculous and if you think logically about it, it makes zero sense, and the manosphere is right about this one.If your girlfriend is going to cheat, she’s going to cheat. This is a bad way to look at cheating. Too black and white. It presumes all people that cheat purposefully go out of their way to cheat. That's true for a certain type of cheater. Some of them do operate that way and you're correct that for those types, there is nothing you can do to stop them. Just have to hope you don't meet someone of that character. But there are many different reasons people end up cheating that are very contextual… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 01:41 AM |
| 2 | You can't say you we're lied to.You keep dodging the simple truth that women are not dating coaches and have never been required to fulfill the role. Nobody said they had to be. Doesn't change the truth that personality > looks is what most women say. It is also backed up by cliche romcom movies, magazine columns, awful parenting advice on how to date and a ton of fucking other evidence showing that men just aren't pulling it out of their ass. It happened. No point denying it. BP "Live, laugh, love" horseshit. No trying to rev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 12:32 PM |
| 2 | You can't say you we're lied to.but he reliably casts gorgeous actresses to serve as love interests for his character You mean the same problem that was consistently complained about regarding beauty standards of women through magazines and actresses on tv throughout the 90s and 00s? Ah, so when it effects teenage girls growing up, it's an issue. But when young boys are effected by it somehow, well they are delusional and shouldn't live in some fantasy world and it's their own fault for doing so for being effected by media so … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 11:58 AM |
| 1 | You can't say you we're lied to.Maybe it isn’t her responsibility to serve as a dating coach, since that isn’t a requirement or a reasonable expectation. Nobody says it was, you're answering an imaginary statement with your own attitude. It doesn't refute my point whatsoever, that one of the reasons she might not say when asked a question is because it makes her appear shallow. Already went over this. All boys and girls were exposed to the same media. Most know the difference between fiction and reality. Blaming a life of fant… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 11:47 AM |
| 7 | You can't say you we're lied to.When you get down to it some of these girls are out of their minds. Young adolescents boys trust what all the authority figures say (their parents or any type of official position such as school, church if they are religious) what the movies/media depictions show (personality > looks) , and what young girls say when asked what they go for in a guy (personality > looks). All of this happens, these guys trust everybody on it growing up, then find out reality is different when they enter the dating… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 09:32 AM |
| 3 | You can't say you we're lied to.That doesn't matter if the leads themselves are ugly or not. They are playing a role in which their character is considered to be plain/ugly in that setting. Despite that, they win over the girl. Whole idea is that despite the fact the guy is unattractive/not attractive/not popular, personality wins the girl over. Personality > looks is pretty much the whole point of the romcom story. The gaslighting to deny that by implying men are just making this shit up in this thread is unreal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 08:58 AM |
| 3 | You can't say you we're lied to.What romcoms have a not attractive male lead? Most people in hollywood in general stuff are attractive, particularly for the younger demographic. How does this disprove the core message of what's being displayed in the movies? They are actors, but their role in the movie is usually the unattractive social loser or plain boring guy and that's how they are treated, even if the actor themselves is actually attractive. I don't understand this point, a few women have made it. It's not a good point. Y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 08:33 AM |
| 3 | You can't say you we're lied to.Do you think American pie was a film targeted at women? It was a film aimed at teenagers in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 08:28 AM |
| 1 | You can't say you we're lied to.I see women explaining that personality is important ...while leaving out the looks part. EXACTLY the point. If a young kid is listening to girl at his age and asks her what she looks for in a guy and she says "Personality is important to me" the boy is going to take away from that conversation that he can get with her if he's a really cool guy, even if he's ugly. Because she didn't state anything to do with looks. Maybe it's miscommunication on her part. Maybe she's picturing two hot guys in he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 08:05 AM |
| 1 | You can't say you we're lied to.Most kids were exposed to the same messages and thrived. You can read my full response to that up above that proves you incorrect. I was one of those kids, that also hung around other kids who were successful in dating at a young age. Nobody had this view that looks was the ultimate factor. You can go on tik tok today and see kids still bleat the same shit, and predominantly it's coming from women, not men. Women peddle it the most. The view hasn't changed any, so you're going to see more RP/Bla… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 07:42 AM |
| 1 | You can't say you we're lied to.Most kids figured it out with the very same exposure and experience. Except they didn't. Most kids that are successful didn't have an epiphany about dating just because they were successful. That's a fallacy. I was a successful kid in my teens that slept with around 3 girls by the age of 17. I just thought I was a cool confident dude and also bought into the message that personality mattered since I also seen it. You know, the things people tell kids. I just assumed since I was successful, that'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 07:34 AM |
| 1 | You can't say you we're lied to.Explain the kids who had romantic success in school and college. They received the same “messages” and fiction, right? Why did some boys choose to live in a fantasy world while others navigated life more logically Holy shit, you're right. 14-16 year old boys need to start thinking logically about things. How fucking dumb would they need to be not to realize these things that's obvious when the adults they trusted are telling them differently and everything else they've seen on it all shows that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 07:23 AM |
| 1 | You can't say you we're lied to.Based on this logic, video games lead to violence and any and all fictional media is realistic and instructive. But not his eyes and actually real life experience, which he ignored in favor or clinging to fantasy. That's a wild leap in logic. As far as I'm aware, I can't pull out two swords from my ass, jump 50 feet in the air and encounter aliens on a daily basis. Why would I ever think video games are in any way remotely similar to real life. Nor are adults telling me in society, from position… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 07:15 AM |
| 1 | You can't say you we're lied to.You've made a claim that people aren't observing the world around them. First off, that's a goalpost shift. The original point of discussion is wether society did in fact try to push this message that looks > personality. You said it didn't. There's numerous media sources that refutes your claim it didn't. Plenty of movies that focus on romance from the 90s onwards, particularly the biggest ones that had impact on society, that consistently push the message that personality > looks. Most people … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 07:03 AM |
| 2 | You can't say you we're lied to.Still no explanation as to why boys and men didn’t simply observe the world around them. Most people don’t take comedies as social gospel. " That doesn't disprove anything. The men that bought into the lie weren't looking to bang the most girls or be the most attractive. It's that women value quality men due to their personality over looks. A prom king can still exist and that can still happen, and in many teenage settings, it did happen. That's a totally different landscape from dating in the a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 06:50 AM |
| 2 | You can't say you we're lied to.I’m saying I don’t believe it. The nerd rarely gets the girl in movies and ugly actors were never heartthrobs Then you'll have to take your issue up with movies like American Pie, She's out of my league and plenty of others. As I said, it wasn't just "nerdy guys." It was just men with golden personalities. The guy that was always by the girls side. That doesn't always mean nerdy. It means golden personality. The morally good character. The whole point of these movies is that personality > looks/… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 06:27 AM |
| 3 | You can't say you we're lied to.School counselors, teachers if they see a kid down and the kid spills their guts, parents, hollywood movies, tv shows, books. Let's not gaslight and pretend things like American Pie wasn't absolutely massive on promoting this idea that it's about the guy with the golden personality that wins over in the end. That includes nerdy guys. BP advice is so generic that anything from boomers to "laugh, live, love" type of slogans have personality as the main trope over looks. The movies themselves might… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 06:07 AM |
| 5 | You can't say you we're lied to.The debate is men lying that they never knew or were never told that women care about men's looks. That's generally what is sold by BP philosophy, parents, teachers, Hollywood and all forms of media growing up. Society in general. Men never lied about it. They were sold idealism over reality. It logically makes sense why the people who were sold that idealism who have to confront reality are going to be angry about it and probably revert to RP. The funny thing is, the people that are mad about t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 04:39 AM |
| 1 | To the Guys who think Girls only want Hot GuysWell logically thinking it through, you have agreed that it is statistically impossible for all women to have an above average man. If the message in society and attitude all women take is to that they deserve an above average man, what message do you think it sends to women when they can't actually find an above average man to commit to them? They are failures. Why would it not create dating problems? I don't see why this wouldn't cause issues with dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 04:04 AM |
| 1 | To the Guys who think Girls only want Hot GuysThat depends on whether women place value on it. High status itself only matters if women place some value on it. Being the world's best card shuffler isn't going to be valued by most women. We are also talking about average women though. Which is why people are taking issue. It is statistically impossible for all women to have an above average man, and average women's expectations of having an above average men seem incredibly narcisstic and creating an issue when it comes to dating in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 03:49 AM |
| 1 | To the Guys who think Girls only want Hot GuysThere are more physically attractive actors and musicians than what is posted there. If girls valued physical looks so much, you would probably mostly see those actors posted there and not the "okay" ones or the arguably not attractive ones. They all get the status boost, so its a leveled playing field for them. But girls tastes vary. You are trying to use high social status crushes as proof of how most women tend to operate and date in their every day life. I'm pointing out women behave very er… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 03:29 AM |
| 1 | To the Guys who think Girls only want Hot GuysDid you read the actual comments or just do a quick search on DD? I don't think the comments prove what you think they prove. Even if I am completely charitable and agree with your point, the only thing you'd have proven with this statement is already what I said. High social status to that degree does crazy things to women, and I'll refer to my comment on examples of what girls did with Motley Crue to show you how completely out of whack this level of social status is and what it can do to a lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 03:01 AM |
| 3 | To the Guys who think Girls only want Hot Guysit is quite problematic for the Black Pill notions of "only looks matter." It's really not. We're talking about men with such high social status to the point they are household names worldwide to most western countries, and probably some who are not. The amount of men this would apply to is such a small portion of men, you can reasonably claim that's an outlier. And even with those men, looks still matter to an extent. No matter how loved and funny danny devito is, he still doesn't have that pul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 02:44 AM |
| 8 | To the Guys who think Girls only want Hot GuysThe point is that when you strip the status away from the man, suddenly jack black is just an everyday plain/slightly unattractive chubby rocker dude with an upbeat "rock on my metal broskies \m/" heart of gold vibe, and most women don't find that attractive. So they don't head into the bar. They only find it appealing in jack black because he's a famous musician/actor. You should read into some of the stories Motley Crue did with some of the groupie women that slept with them just to hear the e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 02:00 AM |
| 19 | To the Guys who think Girls only want Hot GuysThey value the status. I don't know how many women have told me they find jack black attractive. I point them to the nearest rock bar and tell her she'll find 50 jack blacks inside that bar. Strangely enough, they never follow through in going in there and dating one of these men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 12:45 AM |
| 1 | Red pills need to replace anger with acceptance of their diminished placeI said it wasn’t fair then it’s not now and it will never be . Nowhere do I advocate how things should be "Red pills need to replace anger with acceptance of their diminished place." Go on, rationalize your way out of saying you didn't say something you in fact did say, and then continue to do so. Waste of my time discussing with someone who cannot see their blatant doublethink. It's pointed out, up to you to actually take it on board, or double down and continue on it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 11:56 PM |
| 0 | Red pills need to replace anger with acceptance of their diminished placeI'm having a hard time trying to consider whether this is bait or not. In one sentence you are saying: This is because they are coming with the premise that life will be fair. But that’s just not true, it has never been true and there’s no reason to think it ever will be true. Then a few saying sentences later saying: Back in the day when women had few rights and could easily be taken advantage of, it wasn’t fair The doublethink on display here is hilarious. In one sentence you're essentially sa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 11:46 PM |
| 6 | Young men have a dysmorphia epidemic, not a loneliness epidemicThat's how most people operate. They don't want to be single. It doesn't make sense to logically conclude that they want to be single when that's an extreme minority of cases. Lastly it's pretty degrading to fuck a guy she know isn't actually attracted to her, but just using her as a hole to pass the time, that reeks of desperation. And while the girl might rationalize to herself she's just using him, let's be clear, most girls in this situation would jump at the chance to be in a relationship w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 09:33 PM |
| 7 | Young men have a dysmorphia epidemic, not a loneliness epidemicUnless chubby girls are actually getting the men they want... What do you mean getting? Sex? Sure, they can have sex with a more attractive man. But that applies to just about any girl that is willing to open her legs. Men will fuck a hole in the couch if they are horny enough. She's not special for that, but she thinks she is, which is where the disconnect happens. A lot of those women are in utter cope and denial about their situation of being used for sex by trying by using cognitive dissonan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 07:53 PM |
| 1 | Women on dating apps are worse than menThe bottom percentage of the men on online dating platforms who are single for years. This is a tiny fraction of men overall. Since we're talking about the bottom 50%, that's going to be the type of men it applies to. Remember, the point I was addressing was in reference to the bottom 50%, not men as a whole. The thing I was referring to was the reasoning you provided about the bottom 50% of men. I'm explaining why your theory doesn't logically make sense for the bottom 50% of men just to be int… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 10:33 AM |
| 4 | I think having a generous personality as a man is more important than being good looking-What age are you? -What are you looking for, and what were you looking for for however long you've been dating? - How promiscuous were you when you were single? Weigh those answers up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 09:52 AM |
| 1 | Women on dating apps are worse than menI don't think it's too far fetched to say, that most of the likes the bottom 50% of women get are just for sex, becuase the requirements are this low. While the likes the bottom 50% of men get are surely mostly not just for sex but with relationship intentions. You never did get back to me on the points I made last night, but it's good to know you thought about them and I'm hoping it's in mind with some of the points I've made even if you don't agree with all of them. I find this take misinforme… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 08:07 AM |
| 4 | Women on dating apps are worse than menIt's because you're not looking into the reasons why. The guy above told you. You're only looking at the idea of them physically having sex. So in your mind, why wouldn't an escort do? If it was purely about having sex to physically get off with someone attractive, escorts would do, you're correct. But that's not the reason most want sex. They want to feel sexually desired the same as just about everyone else does. Sex is an expression of that desire. Escorts can't provide that. They are providi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 07:35 AM |
| 3 | I think men's compliments are fakePoint proven on both sides then, lmao. I liked your cleavage one far better. In general men need to be risk takers, women tend to be drawn to dominant men. I'm not saying there isn't women who appreciate the other ones you gave, just that it's a double edged sword that can also come back to bite you. There's also nothing wrong with showing her you want to fuck her. It's natural, and masking that intent isn't risk taking. The cleavage one is far more risk taking, playful, sexually suggestive and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 05:07 AM |
| 1 | I think men's compliments are fakeComplimenting a woman's colors' with her skin tone and telling her it enhances her eyes is going to make the women think the guys either slightly more on the feminine side or batting for another team. That is not how men compliment or escalate sexual tension, I don't think these are good compliments, they are the kind I'd expect a woman to make to another woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 04:49 AM |
| 3 | I think men's compliments are fakeIt seems like in relation to the question of, "should that woman want to fuck you or love you", well, their little friend says "why wouldn't she" and they believe ye olde trouser python more often than they don't. Even if they're drowning in self criticism at the same time. Come on, that was a relatively interesting answer up until this part. The reason men do it, the one thing that BP and RP actually agree on, is for men to show confidence, even if they don't feel it and be the ones to make mov… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 04:31 AM |
| 2 | Women on dating apps are worse than menYes because being a woman is like being rich compared to being a man. Wtf?? It's in context to dating opportunities. And in those terms? Yes absolutely. An average in shape female gets a comparable sexual pull and dating opportunities to that of a male celebrity. The disconnect is that huge between men and women it takes that level of success, status and recognition to be able to match up for a man. Are you saying it's not an apt comparison? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 03:55 AM |
| 5 | For redpill men, What was the moment that made you go redpillI was a guy who was fairly strong and musclefat based, so maybe 10-20lbs tops over healthy BMI, but muscle behind it. Had no real trouble with women. I ended up gaining weight. So when I spoke to people about it, I would be met with BP advice. "Be yourself, be confident, personality matters most". I knew most of those things anyway, I actually did believe them at one point myself. But after gaining weight, none of those things made sense and didn't work. I never changed any as a person, just my … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 03:50 AM |
| – | Does feminism create MGTOW mindset in well meaning men?Exposure works better than babying. In fact most psychology determines that the approach you take tends to be worse off for people than exposing them to it. Women who are genuinely terrified need to work on themselves rather than expect the rest of society to cater to them, especially when it's demonizing and laying accusations at the door of another. These findings are absolutely normal and women suffering from this to the extremes need to socially adjust to do better, not men. It's so well kno… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 03:21 AM |
| 1 | How important is “virginity” to men?Men aren’t worried about paternity Men are on a subconscious level, that's why most men are viscerally disgusted by women who have high n counts, even if they don't want kids. Paternity Uncertainty is a thing most evolutionary psychologists speculate. That and virginity have pretty much been the only two real ways for men to have the odds in their favour that their partner will have their kid. Cheating does play a practical reason for most people nowadays, you picked up on this on the later part… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/23 02:13 AM |
| – | Do women reap most of the benefits of a relationship being single?Depends on how you interpret that. Initially those are benefits but they come at a cost. I remember dating an ex that was addicted to the social media validation. She wouldn't cheat on me, but neither was I okay with it, so when she tried to cut it off she became very insecure without the attention and no matter what I did, it was never enough. One mans attention, even if I was 100% focused on her, would never be enough for her. I had to cut her off once I realized that she wasn't capable of liv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 11:33 PM |
| 5 | Women on dating apps are worse than menHell, just below me someone is saying "Don't ask for something that women are incapable of giving initially" in regards to being empathetic It's odd for you to concentrate on emotional intelligence. Complaining about this issue to the same demographic that are miles worse in the same situation lacks an incredibly lack of emotional intelligence to do it. Because it's narcisstic to do so to the people having a real tough time of it. Narcisstic and insensitive, if you really want to get down to it.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 10:30 PM |
| 0 | Women on dating apps are worse than menAll it takes to change that is a perspective shift then. A woman's situation isn't bad, she just feels it's bad. The things women do complain about are complaints, but they are relatively minor. Which is what most men are trying to say. I can tell by your responses you also agree, but it's getting the women to change their perspective that matters sadly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 10:25 PM |
| 2 | romantic relationship is a privilege not a right, i think understand that would solve a lot of issues between men and womenI personally find you obnoxious and highly neurotic from reading what you are saying. Wouldn't date you even if you were a bombshell of a woman to look at, that entitlement plus too much neuroticism is soul draining. Good luck on your dating life I guess. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 07:43 PM |
| 9 | Women on dating apps are worse than menWhere are the likes of the bottom 50% of men going? Not to the bottom 50% of women apparently Are we reading the same chart? We are forming very different conclusions based on that. More women are receiving likes in that chart than there are men in the bottom percentage. We can probably assume that the below average men are willing to compromise more on that since they are the ones with the lower percentage compared to women. Look at the top distribution of men receiving more likes compared to w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 07:19 PM |
| 5 | romantic relationship is a privilege not a right, i think understand that would solve a lot of issues between men and womenYes. I do. And l always will. I don't know why you take pride in this. It's the equivalent of standing up and declaring you proudly take heroin. Your mindset is entitlement. It's not something to take pride in. Being proud of it doesn't change that it's a bad thing to be. It's something to work on. That's putting it politely. Wanting better than yourself isn't static, it's dynamic. Meaning it doesn't matter how good or bad you are, you always want better than you yourself give out, and that in i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 07:05 PM |
| 8 | Women on dating apps are worse than menAlmost double the amount of likes the bottom 50% of men get. So even below average women still get far more attention than the below average males do. What conclusion are you trying to draw here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 06:59 PM |
| 2 | romantic relationship is a privilege not a right, i think understand that would solve a lot of issues between men and womenIf wanting a man with better manners, kindness, human decency, respect, no misogyny is aiming "high", thats just laughable and straight off sad... You can fluff it up as much as you want, but you just flat out said you want a man better than you. Your mindset is creating an issue in society because you're gassing yourself up to believe you deserve better than you give out. You don't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 06:42 PM |
| 4 | romantic relationship is a privilege not a right, i think understand that would solve a lot of issues between men and womenI want a man that's better than me If everyone thought like that, nobody would date. Always aiming up does come off as entitlement and creates an issue in society, and we're seeing the results of that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 06:18 PM |
| 4 | Women on dating apps are worse than menDon't ask for something that women are incapable of giving initially. Dating as a woman is already easy enough, the aristocratic meaning is pointing that out, only a narcisstic person would still find their complaints valid against the opposite side. Expecting empathy about the struggles of being popular/rich etc comes off as hollow compared to people genuinely struggling. There are some drawbacks with it, and they should be acknowledged, but ultimately but people should be more grateful rather … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 05:49 PM |
| 15 | Women on dating apps are worse than menOther way about. It doesn't make sense for the sex that isn't in demand to set the rules. Also, as a former fatty man that did date fat women, if you think fat women weren't propositioned by more attractive men or men who were in shape, think again. The fat girls plight was different, they had to filter out the men just trying to use them for getting laid vs men actually into them, but they still had men interested in them. Notice why I said former fatty, because I couldn't stand the hypocrisy a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 05:38 PM |
| 16 | Women on dating apps are worse than menHe's trying to humble brag, most blue pill men give out "I'm not like other guys" vibes and this is a way of signaling that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 04:36 PM |
| 1 | Women on dating apps are worse than menMinus the dick picks, what you've just said doesn't make any sense. I'd say that comes off as entitlement rather than anything else. It's essentially complaining about the drawbacks of popularity. Aye, they exist for sure, there is some actual drawbacks of it, but if given the choice between that or the other alternative, what do you think everyone is going to pick? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 04:34 PM |
| 1 | Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss?Good and bad are objective. It’s bad… to you. You're just proving my point about being stuck on the moral relativism stage. The stage before that was about the good of society. The stage above that is where you're stuck at, which is moral relativism about the individual. The stage above that is where you mediate between the two. Too much extreme on either end is bad, and it's what people stuck on the stage below are struggling to grasp. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 03:52 PM |
| 1 | Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss?It effects society, people will obviously have opinions on things that effect the society they live in. You're looking at the micro level and ignoring the macro level. Too much relativism based upon individuality. It's what happens when you overdose yourself at that level. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 03:43 PM |
| – | Lost a friend because her new boyfriend has gaslight her into thinking all men are dangerous and want her sexuallyAlso boundaries is about your behaviour,not about controling others behaviour No, it's not. A boundary is a line placed, can be real or imaginary, to limit/divide something. In the context of relationships, it is usually referred to what people are okay/not okay with happening in their relationship, they are setting up a limit based upon that, a line not to be crossed. Most people are not okay with intimate friendships of the opposite sex. Both men and women do this. They will leave the relation… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 03:00 PM |
| – | Lost a friend because her new boyfriend has gaslight her into thinking all men are dangerous and want her sexuallyYou should probably look into the reasons people cheat. You've just made a blanket assessment regarding cheating as if all people who cheat set out to cheat and do so. That only applies to some type of serial cheater, and you'd be correct in that circumstance that you can't stop those type of people cheating. But for most people, that isn't why cheating happens. Most people who cheat don't set out to cheat. Situational/Opportunistic cheating are usually the biggest reason, it isn't planned out. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 02:33 PM |
| -2 | No one is telling women to have sex with anyone they don't want to have sex with.I'm a former fatty guy that lost around 120lbs, the type of women in the fat acceptance movement are the ones I have a particular bone to pick with, that's why. Any women crying for fat acceptance to be recognized as beautiful and how they are judged for their weight is pretty much using it in context to dating. It's one thing to be against shaming, as in insulted for it, that's fine, it's another to demand to be seen as beautiful and demonize men who don't think otherwise. I met plenty of women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 04:37 AM |
| 0 | No one is telling women to have sex with anyone they don't want to have sex with.I don't understand men who complain about women advocating for causes for women. Because it's an issue that would effect both genders if it's due to fat shaming and the standards put upon both sexes. Why do you think it's gendered? It's made gendered because it's got fuck all to do with being fat, otherwise it would be both sexes, it's about accepting fat women as beautiful and shaming men into accepting it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 04:11 AM |
| -2 | No one is telling women to have sex with anyone they don't want to have sex with.In fact a man that can be promiscuous is automatically assumed to have some value. Value only in the context that women find him desirable, because that's what it takes to be able to do so. Women don't find most men desirable and as a result most many men aren't capable ratching up a high n count. That's the only thing that gives it value. The scarcity of men capable of doing so. Men aren't awed by men who sleep around either, but they do acknowledge women find him desirable because it's the tru… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 03:38 AM |
| – | If only "outliers" would be into you, then why not focus on those?What makes you think they aren't? You've never been involved in one of those circles, have you? Take any niche male dominated hobby and girls that are socially active in it and watch what happens when you put 1 girl into a space with 20 men. Add in dating profiles where women list those interests and men filter out for them. Hypergamy still exists within those circles my friend. They will gravitate towards the most attractive male or one with the highest status among them. It can make the compet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 02:56 AM |
| 2 | No one is telling women to have sex with anyone they don't want to have sex with.My point never touched upon concern. I was pointing out the issue and you can't do that without explaining it. Women who aim purely for chads are just as desperate as the men you're talking about. Their pussy isn't going to lock down dudes with access to several women, and it is desperate to continue doing it repeatedly hoping it changes. They simply aren't high value enough themselves, and they cannot swallow that pill because their narcissism makes them believes that they are, lol. It is delus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 12:18 AM |
| -1 | No one is telling women to have sex with anyone they don't want to have sex with.Anybody who complains about the issue would get told to stop wearing them and find something that fits better. Otherwise, they should stop complaining about it. Nobody wants to hear someone complain for the bad choices they make and would probably call them on it after a while. Maybe the first time or two they'll listen. But the more frequent and neurotic the complaints, the less other people are willing to hear it as a result since it's a self made issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 11:50 PM |
| 1 | No one is telling women to have sex with anyone they don't want to have sex with.And continually syaing "womenz have advantage over men" helps no-one. Disagree with you there, but not your overall points. In order to acknowledge the problem you have to point it out. They do have a little bit more of an advantage, which is what causes the issue to manifest. Some women who end up sleeping with a hotter guy than she's used to being in a relationship with end up conflating that with their value. You can't mention the problem without how it occurs and why men don't have the same … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 11:37 PM |
| 1 | No one is telling women to have sex with anyone they don't want to have sex with.he's making the point while women can sleep men slightly above their league, they can't get them to commit. They are for fun time only.....they are not wanted by those men ultimately. It's just as desperate, they just have an advantage over males in their own league in one aspect. They can't have those standards. Otherwise, they would get what they want. Women who can't cope with this and refuse to humble themselves turn bitter. Both men and women turn bitter and desperate, but it manifests in d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 11:12 PM |
| 1 | How would you react to female versions of Peter Griffin, Randy Marsh, Stan Smith or Homer Simpson?The western gaming market makes up around 50% of total revenue. That's half the market that is effected by this change. Apparently you didn't learn from your first attempt to downplay the significance of that. It doesn't work. Stop trying. It's transparent. The facts are what they are, so trying to frame an argument against that is pointless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 10:38 PM |
| 1 | How would you react to female versions of Peter Griffin, Randy Marsh, Stan Smith or Homer Simpson?So you’ve got nothing except a couple of macro-level business decisions that never affected the practical behaviors or access of an actual consumer. This is the 2nd time you've tried to downplay the significance of it. You should learn from the first time. It's not working. I'm just after saying it doesn't refute it. An entire gaming market that compromises 50% of the total revenue has been significantly altered because of activism. Stop trying to downplay that. Nobody gives a shit about your at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 10:35 PM |
| 1 | How would you react to female versions of Peter Griffin, Randy Marsh, Stan Smith or Homer Simpson?Nothing of what you have said has ever once refuted that it has had an effect. False dichotomies, downplaying the significance of it still does not change it has had an effect. Keep making as many rationalizations as you want, but it won't refute that the entire western gaming industry has made significant changes due to ideology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 10:12 PM |
| 1 | How would you react to female versions of Peter Griffin, Randy Marsh, Stan Smith or Homer Simpson?It’s a global economy and that’s stuff found its way to our shores about 2.5 seconds after it it sprung up over there. It’s literally a difference that makes no difference. So your point is - Just because it hasn't completely stopped it because it has no influence outside it's own culture, means it's irrelevant? That's a pretty bad point. You're creating this false dichotomy of all or nothing to determine the relevance of it. It means all things made from western companies have it completely str… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 09:58 PM |
| 1 | How would you react to female versions of Peter Griffin, Randy Marsh, Stan Smith or Homer Simpson?You're making yourself look dumb as shit and moving the goalposts. The activism clearly had an effect here, which you're implying it didn't, because it hasn't effected the Japanese Market. Why would it effect there? Completely different country with it's own culture. But within the culture here, it has in fact had an effect, it has shifted and it's not meaningless. That is categorically undeniable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 09:31 PM |
| 1 | How would you react to female versions of Peter Griffin, Randy Marsh, Stan Smith or Homer Simpson?Video game tits exist mostly because of the Japanese market, not the western market, where this activism happens. In most western companies, they have actually kowtowed and make the female characters ugly as shit with no bust. Apparently, big boobed women are just a fantasy males made up. They don't exist in real life. Nor does femininity or attractive females. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 08:59 PM |
| 3 | Why do people vilify emotions and feelings?Negative emotions are demonized by a lot of toxic women towards men. Women who want to dress sleazy, frequently go clubbing, have tons of male friends with loose boundaries are obviously going to make a lot of men insecure. Their actions are those of someone who isn't really committed to their partner and is mostly advertising themselves as open. They are living a single lifestyle, showing very little commitment to their partner, so it's obviously a cause for concern. You're asking why they vill… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 07:38 PM |
| 1 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADI'm not insulting you, just mirroring your energy in the responses. At the end of the day my point still stands. This childish derailing started with you; I don't mind meeting you there. After all, my point still stands unrefuted about male playboys being arrogant/narcisstic and women who mirror it are also arrogant/narcisstic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 04:43 PM |
| 1 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADYou're totally not proving this statement that women are overgrown children lmao. Not at all. Well thats nice for you hen, I'm sure your everyone in your life is just as proud of you for being such a good girl. You might even place first if your lucky! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 04:38 PM |
| 1 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADIdk. That's why I asked you. Once again, y'all make these sweeping generalizations and authoritative statements but can never provide examples. You did the same thing in this discussion that made a declarative statement that women with high n counts are confident. If it's okay for you to do, I don't see the issue with me making another declarative statement on top of that. Note that in this response, you cut out the part that Male playboys are notoriously known for being highly narcisstic and ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 04:23 PM |
| 1 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADWho are they looking down on? What is there too compromise on? Who are they not looking down on? What isn't there to compromise on? You mean, she has opinions and isn't going to agree with you just because. I meant what I meant. Not your interpretation of what I meant. If you want to engage with what I said, and not your interpretation, by all means, go ahead. I'll answer your response. Good for them. Male playboys are notoriously known to be highly narcisstic and arrogant. The first statement y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 04:11 PM |
| 1 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADlol, high n count women aren't confident, they are arrogant and narcisstic. They aren't the same thing. Confidence comes from self-assuredness and competency. Arrogance comes from superiority. Narcisstic is self indulgent that is incapable of compromising or considering anybody but themselves. That's why most of high n count women want to dress in the most sleaziest ways, have tons of male orbiters to fawn over them, and conflate that with confidence, because that's what they believe confidence … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 03:45 PM |
| 5 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADIt really grates me when people respond with this saying. It shows zero critical thinking is going on inside your head with this phrase. Think on this for a second: The best sex you've had? You are the common denominator. The worst? You are the common denominator. Best relationships? You are the common denominator. The worst? You are the common denominator. You are obviously going to be the common denominator in your own life for all things that occur in it. It isn't the point people think it is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 03:15 PM |
| 3 | Most young men are red pilledMen look for looks in women, when men do it it’s not called shallower or a problem. This is where people clash with you pill people, you have harsh criticisms for women, it’s unfairness, it’s bias. Go watch Shallow Hal. from 2001. There's a reason it's called that. Note that most of the women at the start of that movie looked down on Hal for his looks. But we only comment on Hal's shallowness, of course. Of course, some hot girl finds Hal to be sweet and throws herself at him once she values his… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 04:49 AM |
| 4 | Most young men are red pilledIt does when there are some false statements mixed in there with the truths. Wouldn't this also Apply to TBP philosophy then? There's more false statements than truths in TBP, but if you're going with that line of thinking, that makes BP misandrists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 03:00 AM |
| 2 | Most young men are red pilledBP claims compensation is either not possible or not worth it. Not entirely. Looksmaxxing is a thing from what I've looked into Black Pill. It's not completely doom and gloom, they just take a far more realistic approach that some people, no matter how much effort they put in, aren't going to get to the top or they still might struggle even if they looksmaxx. That doesn't mean they can't bump themselves up a few points, there's just a more realistic limit. Whereas RP sells the idea that anybody … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 02:44 AM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Nah. I just knew that would bait you into responding and it did hahaha. Sorry, between both of us, I know how to play you like a fiddle. It's been an engaging conversation for some of it, you lacked at the end though. Have a good night! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 10:48 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"You're not proving the statement that women are overgrown children at all right with this. Not at all lmao. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 10:45 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Good response. Totally countered what I said. Don't think I can match it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 10:43 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"What? Are you too young or don't you remember creep had a meaning that doesn't just apply to men trying to hit on women that are socially inept/unattractive? A social anxious person who thinks I'm out to do them harm is someone I find creepy. I don't like being thought of in that way and I won't feel comfortable around someone who does. To me, she's creepy for that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 10:39 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"No dude social anxiety isn’t creepy Acting like someone trying to speak to you makes them a serial killer is some pretty twisted creepy fucking thoughts. I'd rather not be around someone that thinks I'm trying to harm them if I make eye contact or try speak to them. That's creepy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Being 'creepy' is just an insult directed towards males who are either socially inept or unattractive. She's just as creepy, honestly. Think on this: If a woman had did exactly what I said, this whole interaction would have lasted less than 10 seconds. Would you still think he's 'creepy' then? No, it just would have been a 10 second interaction about the misunderstanding of a seat being taken and her declining his offer. She's just as creepy for sitting there and hyperventilating like some guys … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 10:25 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Holding her accountable for what, exactly? Also her body language was not at all subtle. For the same thing we're holding the male accountable for, her inability to read the situation and being socially inept. The guy didn't pick up on her hinting that she didn't want him to sit down (using subtlety), so when he clarifies and asks to sit down by asking "May I" it was her time to drop the subtlety. If it work 10 seconds ago, why would it work now? Guy clearly isn't registering on it. Instead she … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 10:16 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"You are railing against human nature just to find any excuse to blame the girl here No, I'm holding her accountable. Subtley is called subtlety for a reason. It's not always clear, and can be misinterpreted or not understood because it's well...Subtle. You can't always rely on someone understanding subtletly. Have the social understanding if going to use of that, and switch accordingly if it's not being picked up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 10:03 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"People give noncommittal answers rather than rejections out of social nicety and not wanting to hurt someone’s feelings. They do it to their friends, family, coworkers, and strangers. It literally happens all the time. It’s not a social anxiety thing, it’s a not wanting to make others feel negatively thing. That's an interesting spin. Most people that are incapable of being direct is because they cannot deal with anything that mildly looks like confrontational/being direct, which is a flaw. Some… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 09:56 PM |
| 0 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"A lot of people give noncommittal answers when they really mean no, that’s just a general human thing. A lot of people also aren't very good at picking up on nonverbal cues such as tone or body language. It's interesting how you can be empathetic to the girl for her shortcomings in this situation, but not the guy. She clearly has some social anxiety that she needs to work on Yes, she does. And she should realize that instead of demonizing the guy. A girl who was less socially anxious would have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 09:45 PM |
| 0 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"No shit. And if someone is unable to say "No" directly when someone ask "May I?" to sit down beside them, they need to work on their social skills as well. For every woman that cannot look at how incompetent this woman also was in this interaction needs to shut up about about holding others responsible for their social incompetence. You all clearly have your blinders on when it comes to women. This woman was way too panicky at a guy just speaking to her, fuck me children are better equipped soci… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 09:30 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Spare the ad hominems. If you want to continue, read the 'essay' then get back to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 08:11 PM |
| – | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Cope response. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 08:02 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"“I didn’t mean you could sit there” is a very clear “I don’t want you to sit here” Except it's not. It can be interpreted in a different way. The guy can interpret that as nothing more than her being shocked that he sat down due to the miscommunication of the phrase - shock, not disinterest. He clarified what he meant by that expression, then asked "May I?". You are aware that conversations move on, yes? We're past that point of the miscommunication. "May I?" is him asking for consent to sit dow… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 07:45 PM |
| 0 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"In a situation where someone says both "they didn't say you can sit there" and "idk" in response to a request, it becomes apparent that they are conveying their unwillingness to have you present in that particular space. That requires someone to pick up on social cues. Not everybody is capable of doing so. Someone getting shocked you're sitting down can be a miscommunication error, which was clarified between both interpretating "Is this seat taken? After that that was the question of "May I?" "… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 07:27 PM |
| 0 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Women literally get murdered for saying no to men. She already said no once, that should’ve been enough. There was absolutely no reason for him to keep pushing it. She didn't give a 'No'. In order for 'No' to mean No, you have to actually SAY no. Which she didn't. She clarified that she wasn't expecting him to sit down, not that she was against him sitting down, just wasn't expecting it. Hence why he asked 'May I'? The guy wasn't able to pick up on the social cue, but she's just as socially reta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 07:16 PM |
| -2 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Did you miss the part where he asks afterwards "May I?" and she gives this weird as fuck "I don't...know?" which could be interpreted as being multiple things. She should have just said "No thank you, I'm not really in the mood for talking/I'm busy just now, but thank you for the offer, enjoy the rest of your day" or some other thing. She's just as awkward as him at reading cues, and should be called out on being just as socially inept. Start holding women accountable who are also socially inept… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 06:07 PM |
| 0 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Did you miss the part where he asks afterwards "May I?" and she gives this weird as fuck "I don't...know?" which could be interpreted as being multiple things. She should have just said "No thank you, I'm not really in the mood for talking/I'm busy just now, but thank you for the offer, enjoy the rest of your day" or some other thing. She's just as awkward as him at reading cues, and should be called out on being just as socially dysfunctional. That wasn't a difficult question to answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/23 06:02 PM |
| 1 | The real reason men laud “players” and shame sluts is…Some double standards make sense. This one in particular doesn’t. That’s been my position and you haven’t convinced me otherwise. It's not that it doesn't make sense, you just don't particularly like it. The problem most women have with this, isn't that it's the guy sleeping around they hate about it. Most women really don't care if a guy is sleeping around. It's that they just hate the fact that the girls can't do it as well. Well, it sucks for them as it does for men who don't want to live to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/23 06:28 PM |
| 1 | The real reason men laud “players” and shame sluts is…To start this, I am going to repeating this statement because the problem with your logic is that you are working from an equality perspective, that men and women are identical in every way shape or form, so it's going to be need to be repeated: The sexes are not the same. my main argument here is that the standard of conduct needs to be the same for both sexes It's a bad argument, and I'm pointing out the flaws with it. The sexes are not the same. They don't always value the same things, they h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/23 04:09 PM |
| 1 | The real reason men laud “players” and shame sluts is…Why? They are already shamed. That’s what this whole conversation is about women being shamed for something men are celebrated for. What do you mean why? You're the one that asked the question. That is the answer. Knock knock. You said this: " No man should have a “short term” strategy if we agree that casual sex has all these harmful consequences " My response to that is you should tell women that. If you don't want men to develop a short term strategy, you need to close it at the source. Which… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/23 03:59 AM |
| 1 | The real reason men laud “players” and shame sluts is…Now you’re doing mental gymnastics to argue that men aren’t being praised for sleeping around but for “being able to”? I'm not arguing for it. I'm answering your question: "Why would the men then be 'praised' for it?" Which is what my answer was directed to: Men don't 'praise', they just acknowledge these men are able to do so and admire them for a trait they wish they possessed themselves, to have women find them that attractive. You asked the question, I'm just answering it and trying to make … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/23 12:30 AM |
| 1 | The real reason men laud “players” and shame sluts is…I've argued since the very beginning that the double standards aren't bad, they are just the result of the two sexes valuing different things. Men are not getting praised to sleep around. They are only getting 'praised' in one aspect, and it is the ability to pull it off. Many men would like the capability to have sex with lots of women if they could because it shows they are a catch to most women, but are incapable of doing so. So the men that are capable of doing so are praised for being able … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/23 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Men on this sub need to understand that actually being attractive to women is more important than finding the right place to approach.I had the same discussion with this person a couple of days ago. They aren't open to what you're trying to logically explain. There are two sex roles in society when it comes to courting/public interaction. Men approach, and women learn how to respond to that approach. A lot of modern day women seem not to want to take on the responsibility of that role, which is politely rejecting if not interested if they are approached politely. It's no different than the shy guy complaining that he shouldn't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/23 06:24 PM |
| 4 | There is a active push to limit the scope of socially acceptable venues to approach a womanMen can do this too. A) Freely judge men for wearing things like Cargo shorts as disgusting and laugh about men who do, commenting on their dress sense, or not having proper shoes like a man, or his beard etc, like he has to dress himself to appeal visually to a woman. B) Women believe men who approach them are always trying to hit on them. ("I have a boyfriend" became a meme for a reason, taking the piss out of these women). C) Believe it's fine to grope or seduce sexually attractive men who ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/23 02:35 PM |
| 1 | The real reason men laud “players” and shame sluts is…There is no contradiction in that and women aren’t praising other women for being broke anyways That doesn't mean it's not a double standard. What makes it a double standard has nothing to do with whether it's praised, it's how it's not being applied equally between the sexes. Meaning even if men weren't being 'praised', it would still be a double standard men have regarding n count, just on the basis that men are applying a standard to women they wont hold to themselves. Also seeing as the expe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/23 01:51 PM |
| 1 | The real reason men laud “players” and shame sluts is…They want a man who makes more money than them. Not a man that makes money. All men who work make money. But they won't accept a man who earns less than them and want one who earns more. They expect a man who to be okay with them earning less while refusing to operate by the same standards themselves of accepting men who earn less. That is a double standard, in a myriad of ways. Why are you trying to wave away this double standard and act like it's not one? A woman who wants a man who earns more… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/23 02:15 AM |
| 1 | The real reason men laud “players” and shame sluts is…There is no contradiction in women wanting men who earn more than them. Lol that’s just something women value. I said double standard, not contradiction. There is a double standard in women wanting a man that earns higher than her. Women are applying a standard to men they aren't meeting themselves. That makes it a double standard. The same as the standard of men wanting women who don't sleep around even if they do, aren't meeting it themselves. Both are double standards. The same as income is "… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/23 12:39 AM |
| 1 | What blue pill advice do you think people choose to misinterpret?BP already assumes you know this, that's the issue BP doesn't assume people know this, that's a goalpost shift of it's original intended meaning. Let's stop trying to gaslight the framing of this particular phrase to mean something other than what it's implying. It's a simple phrase, only about 5 words, can be summarized in 3. The problem isn't other people at this point, it's BP idealism not coping well with the fact that reality proves it's full of shit. We see this happen all the time from ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/10/23 07:27 PM |
| – | What blue pill advice do you think people choose to misinterpret?...Which does not refute that looks matters more or the most when it comes to dating opportunities, not the other way around. In order to get dating opportunities or to even get your foot in the door, looks is the most important criteria to have. You could have the best personality in the world, but if nobody is willing to give you a chance, it doesn't matter. I know you've agreed with this in your statement, but you're also trying to skip by just how much of an important factor it is. BP advice… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/10/23 06:13 PM |
| – | What blue pill advice do you think people choose to misinterpret?I specifically looked up that phrase and it's a bunch of articles making statements, not questions. "Why personality matters more than looks""Personality is more important than looks""Here's why personality matters more than looks" You've refuted your own point that nobody is saying that. Here is BP statements exactly stating what you said they aren't. If personality matters more than looks, then the people that have the most successful or opportunities to date in life would be people that have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/10/23 01:47 PM |
| 3 | What blue pill advice do you think people choose to misinterpret?Google disagrees with you. Type in "Personality matters" into google and you'll find "Personality matters more than looks/Personality matters most" in the automatic fill ins because those are the most common BP expressions, and yes, that is specifically why people call a lot of BP advice BS. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/23 09:32 PM |
| 2 | What blue pill advice do you think people choose to misinterpret?You either got me mid edit, but the main gyst of the point stands. Read this: Nobody says 'Personality matters too' Who the fuck cares if you say personality matters too? That's not what the BP expression is. It is exactly as said, personality matters most or personality matters more than looks and all it takes is a simple google search by typing in "personality matters" and seeing what comes up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/23 08:22 PM |
| 3 | What blue pill advice do you think people choose to misinterpret?Who says "personality matters too" ? You're arguing against a complete strawman you've made up. Type in "personality matters" into google and read what quotes come up. "Personality matters too" sn't one of them, at least for me. But "Personality matters more than looks/beauty" are the common expressions. Each one is putting personality at the top of the value system, or at least above looks. Personality does not matter most, and this BP saying needs to die. Personality does matter, but it's not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/23 07:05 PM |
| 1 | There is roughly a 50/50 gender ratio so why are so many men having trouble finding a SINGLE girlfriend ?Men are shallow. Just not as shallow as women are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/23 06:07 PM |
| 1 | There is roughly a 50/50 gender ratio so why are so many men having trouble finding a SINGLE girlfriend ?art they aren’t messaging the 70-80th percentile, the peak is actually right below average. Am I supposed to change my biology and what gets me going? The "right below average" for a woman is 80% lol. That's the point I'm making. If 80% of men are below average, the 'right below average' is men who are probably around 7/10 on the scale. "A little hot." "kinda hot". "passable". No, but that doesn't mean you're not shallow, or women are more shallow in general. You just dislike the negative connot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/23 05:57 PM |
| 6 | There is roughly a 50/50 gender ratio so why are so many men having trouble finding a SINGLE girlfriend ?None of what you said there refutes the point I am making. The point of the 3/100 is in relation to your point about messaging. If the 3/100 person views 97 other people as attractive/above average, it means that the statistics will always show them as being someone that messages 'above average' in attractiveness. You cannot say this person is more shallow just because they are only going to message people 'above average', they view 96/100 people above average. That's 96 dating propositions they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/23 05:21 PM |
| 7 | There is roughly a 50/50 gender ratio so why are so many men having trouble finding a SINGLE girlfriend ?Because men's criteria is overall less critical compared to women's. I just literally explained this. If I rate 98/100 people unattractive and I date someone who is 97th percentile, on paper, that's going to be me willing to message someone less attractive. Now if we flip this around, someone that rates 3/100 as less attractive and 97/100 attractive/above average, yet won't message the 1st or 2nd but will message 4th through 100, on paper, they are going to be seen as someone that is messaging m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/23 05:02 PM |
| 10 | There is roughly a 50/50 gender ratio so why are so many men having trouble finding a SINGLE girlfriend ?No actually, that data showed that women were overwhelmingly open to messaging men they rated as less attractive They rated most men as less attractive, which is then going to skew the 2nd statistic of women being more willing to message 'unattractive' men. Think about that logically. If I as a woman rate 8/10 men unattractive, and send 3 messages, 1 to the 8/10, 2 to the "unattractive" 7/10 in looks and 6/10 in looks, thats going to skew the statistics. Even though I'm still choosing above aver… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/23 04:26 PM |
| – | Women have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to socially awkward menSecond, it will never be on the person receiving the advances to be responsible for the behavior of the pursuer They aren't responsible for the mans behaviour. They are responsible for learning how to deal with men approaching them. Society isn't neutral on this, so don't word the language as if it's neutral. It's not. Men overwhelmingly approach women, women very rarely approach men. It is a expectation for men to do so, so the reverse is also true that Women have a expectation in dealing with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 03:52 PM |
| – | Women have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to socially awkward menAnd a girl who cannot recognize that after 3 subtle hints that subtlety isn't working, is just as socially inept. That's also a social cue to escalate to being firm/assertive yet polite. We are talking about socially aware people and what makes someone socially awkward, right? Wether a girl likes it or not, or a male likes it as not, those are the social expectations placed upon them. I feel sorry for shy guys with low confidence, but people expect him to work on his issues to approach women. Li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 03:26 PM |
| – | Women have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to socially awkward menIts absolutely not on the receiver to know how to reject someone who wont take an obvious hint Yes it is. I'm just after explaining why subtlety won't always work. If a girl can't recognize that, she is failing to pick up on that social cue just as much as the male is on the social cue she's not interested, and paints herself just as awkward for not knowing what to do. That is the society we live in with both sexes, with two different expectations between them. If you focus only on one's respons… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 03:09 PM |
| – | Women have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to socially awkward menThis is nothing but a hypothetical, let's talk about reality. Reality is that there is two social expectations between the sexes. It is men's social responsibility to approach women, yet it is also a woman's social responsibility to know how to reject men. That includes men that cannot take subtle hints. Men will have varying degrees of social ability, so some men won't always be capable of detecting subtly. It is then up to the woman to be able to be assertive/firm yet polite in rejecting him j… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 02:49 PM |
| – | Women have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to socially awkward menThere is pushback. It's just not enough men understand how to pushback. We're talking about the social expectations placed upon each sex. Men have an expectation to approach, and women have an expectation on how to deal with a man's approach. That also includes how to reject men. Men as you pointed out have varying different levels of social ability. Which means it's also an expectation upon women to be able to read that just as much as it is the mans to be able to pick up on social cues from th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 01:44 PM |
| 0 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"If someone doesn't pick up on subtlety, which is bound to happen, it's time to switch to a more direct approach and she clearly couldn't do that. That is a shortcoming whether you like it or not. In fact, when he asked "May I?" since he didn't pick up on the first subtle clue, she should have responded what she did at the end. Something like "I'm actually really busy just now, so I'm not really looking to talk, but thank you for the offer. Hope you have a great evening." <--- Assertive and polit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 09:35 AM |
| 3 | If women can stay single for as long as they desire (as many women claim) then why don't single mothers abstain from dating men until their kids turn 18?Im sure telling bad people aware of their bad actions that they are bad will teach them. "STOP ROBBING PEOPLE. DON'T YOU KNOW IT'S BAD TO ROB SOMEONE? SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!" I think OPs point is dumb. But yours is even dumber. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 08:38 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"All I see is you flipping out and being entitled in this response. None of his actions are the issue, him not picking up on subtle cues doesn't make him a creep. That's not an action he's performing. It's the lack of an ability to read subtletly. Nor does it make him creepy. It makes you entitled to think everyone needs to be capable 100% of reading subtlety. Stop misusing the word. It makes her someone that isn't socially aware of how to deal with assertion or confrontation. That's why she's pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 05:15 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Plenty of men talk to others in different contexts. I've had conversations with dudes at bars regarding sports and all manner of things I've never met before. I've had conversations with guys passing by that have asked me for a light and a smoke. I'll keep my guard up with guys but unless they do something dodgy I won't be anxious. I also like having chats about random shit with people because when I'm out I like to socialize. You are not a sociable person if you aren't capable of actually engag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 03:06 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"We've already demonstrated he picked up on the social cue she was busy online talking to people and left, even stating "I won't interrupt". For someone who is talking about social cues, you're not picking up on that one realizing that 's him leaving the situation due to picking up on what she implied. Nothing about how he interacted shouted creepy, the only reason women are saying that is because they are reading her body language and knowing she is creeped out. But as to his actual actions noth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 02:54 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Being uncomfortable ≠ the other persons problem. Sort yourself out first if you can't handle a simple interaction in a public setting in broad daylight. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 02:43 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Then we go back to my original point then, because you just admitted this was a critique. What was my original point? Let's recap: People interacting outside and approaching others is a fairly normal thing to happen in society. This woman cannot handle this level of interaction outside. You pointed out she handled it. I pointed out the guy handled it well. He didn't behave in any creepy way. So if she finds it creepy, it's not his behaviour, but her own inability to deal with a fairly normal int… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 02:40 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"He saw that she was on her phone and helped himself to a seat anyway. He left because he realized he might be recorded, not because he cared if she was uncomfortable. Bit of a bizarre take. If she was on her phone, she could record him at any time. She didn't need to announce it to make him aware. The reason he left is because she implied she was busy interacting with others and it's a social cue she isn't interested and he gracefully took it. Your paranoid take is exactly the type of thing I'm … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 02:32 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Eh, we both know that isn't true, and she knew perfectly well what the type of comments would be when uploading this. Let's not pretend she knew this wouldn't be taken exactly the way it was taken. I stand by my original comment that yes, this was a critique. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 02:27 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Did she criticize the man in her post? She posted it online. It's not that big of a deal, but the posting of it online makes it a big deal. So yes, it was a critique. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 02:19 PM |
| 2 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Being uncomfortable ≠ the other persons problem. Sort yourself out first if you can't handle a simple interaction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 02:15 PM |
| 2 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"He saw she was uncomfortable. He said he wouldn't get in her way. He left. Seemed like he handled the situation well. I don't believe he made any lewd remarks, or get angry and bash her skull in or anything 'creepy' other than approach. Which is not creepy. Hence my entire point of the post. If that is what constitutes as creepy, that's the persons issue to deal with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 02:14 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep""" This man was over the line by not being able to see she is clearly uncomfortable." She is uncomfortable because he approached her. A fairly normal interaction in society. To the point she cannot function properly. Not because of anything he did that was out of line, but because she isn't capable of dealing with it. Which makes it her issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 02:08 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep""It is normal to feel nervous when a strange man is approaching you as a woman." It is also normal to approach a new person in society. Plenty of men and women approach other men and women. For a myriad of reasons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 02:04 PM |
| 3 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"The problem isn’t hers though. It is hers, because it's not normal to react like someone is about to kill you in that setting. That's severe personal issues. What you're proposing results in an anti-social hostile society and I don't want to live in that. I quite like it the way it is, and I see more and more push to start treating every interaction as if the man is going to start a killing spree there and then. There's nothing wrong with being slightly on guard, but unless someone has done some… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 01:59 PM |
| 4 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"What I'm advocating for is she takes responsibility for her own shortcomings. I've considered the context of the situation (Public setting, broad daylight, just one man interacting with her, didn't say anything out of line). How she feels is her responsibility. It's not some dark alleway setting. There is no reason for someone to go into panic mode in that context other than their own issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 01:51 PM |
| 1 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"I'm an introvert as well, yet when I'm out I'm fairly extroverted. The issue isn't being introverted. It's about how an introverted person isn't capable of dealing with extroverted situations and then placing the blame upon other people for their own shortcomings. An extroverted person would have no problem dealing with this situation with confidence, an introverted one starts to panic and go into meltdown mode because she fundamentally can't deal with the situation she's placed in. This isn't s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 01:48 PM |
| -7 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"She should probably stay at home then if she's not bright enough to deal with public settings and people interacting in public settings. It amazes me the levels of distortion on display here and peoples bias at work. People who are sociable like to socialize and go outside to do so. Being well adjusted socially isnt just about learning to read social cues, it's about being well adjusted to deal with new people and interactions. That's also a part of it. If she's that uncomfortable in a public se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 01:29 PM |
| 2 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"It's not that big of a deal. He just had bad social skills. The girl looks to be sitting in a public setting, in broad daylight, that gets anxiety attacks talking to one guy who came up and approached her. I wouldn't say the problem is the dudes and he's the one with bad social skills. He at least is able to cope with the idea of talking to a stranger in a public setting. She can't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 01:18 PM |
| 11 | Guy approaches young woman in a viral video, gets rejected with news headlines calling him a "creep"Do you think men don't interact with other men in society? Are you seeing men whip out their phone or call other dudes harassers any time they interact with a man bigger than them or try and rationalize why it's okay to treat them in a completely negative manner? I wonder what some 5'7 skinny guy thinks about your post anytime he interacts with a taller broader guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 12:47 PM |
| 1 | If you plan on having multiple simultaneous sexual partners, you should disclose that fact to all of themI have zero reason to assume he thought anything. He simply wasn't communicated with that she was going to be sleeping around, and so was surprised to find out she was, and ended up rejecting her due to it. Since people are different, it is expected upon people to start communicating things when sex is involved. If someone is sleeping around or wants to, that should be communicated. The responsibility is on the person sleeping around to make people aware of that. For numerous reasons. The least … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/23 10:35 AM |
| 1 | CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and faceImagine not addressing what I say, but making your response nothing but an ad hominem attack. Not only is it an incorrect one, but one if I was to take seriously, insults yourself. If anybody who is here ain't working with women, that also applies to you as well genius. Couldn't be me. Next response, how about you stick to what I said and address that. Nothing of what you said here addressed the point I made. Your idealistic stance that people can only workout for one acceptable reason is bad. T… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/23 08:19 AM |
| 1 | If you plan on having multiple simultaneous sexual partners, you should disclose that fact to all of themYep. In the story you provided, the reactive approach of only revealing the information when it suited her cost her something that a more proactive approach of revealing it could have avoided. She's the one ultimately upset and lost out with this, and it was in her power to avoid completely. The people trying to shirk the responsibility onto the other person more often than not just don't want to take any responsibility for what they are doing and manipulate the situation to their advantage as b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/23 05:01 AM |
| 1 | CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and faceIt's the other way about. I don't have any problem with dudes that train to live a healthy lifestyle and the benefits of it. The ones with the issue is those that can't accept that there are also other reasons besides that one that are just as valid, which is what you're doing. It's not me that has an issue here with your reasoning man, it's you that has an issue with mine, lol. People just constantly preach 'do it for yourself' and never bother to think about that means. I just explained the lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/23 04:27 AM |
| 2 | CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and faceIf someone wants attention from women or a relationship, they are doing it for themselves. Hypothetically, if you're a guy that's been single for years and you're unfit and fat, and you're lonely, you want to change that. You get yourself fit and muscular to look good so you can raise your chances of not being lonely anymore. That's for nobody but yourself and it's a perfectly valid reason to do so. I never get this BS either about 'for yourself' either, it's just another buzz term that's not th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/23 04:20 PM |
| 1 | If you plan on having multiple simultaneous sexual partners, you should disclose that fact to all of themIf people assume others are okay with them sleeping around once sex has been established, their fault for assuming. And, they are the one's that will always be the losers in this situation when the person finds out that this isn't the case and kicks them to the curb for it. Which puts the onus on them to reveal it, since they are the ones that get kicked to the curb. This girl was the one that wanted him, and he decided nah. Who lost out here by not disclosing first? The guy or girl? And this si… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/23 04:05 PM |
| 1 | If you plan on having multiple simultaneous sexual partners, you should disclose that fact to all of themYou're not looking at this situation the right way. The girl got ditched because she assumed he would be okay with her sleeping around while they were sleeping together. Turns out he wasn't. She got ditched as a result. She's the one whining about the situation, not him. The way you're looking at it, it's the guy that's freaking out, but he's not. He bounced lol, she's the one complaining. I actually went and read the post, she apparently left in tears after being rejected? ....Well who caused t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/23 02:44 PM |
| 1 | If you plan on having multiple simultaneous sexual partners, you should disclose that fact to all of themI really don’t think it’s anyone’s business unless they actually ask, I’m not giving the information away freely It becomes their business when someone is sexually active with them. When it's reached the stage of sex, it's a bit more intimately involved between people, so more intimate knowledge is expected to be communicated voluntarily. People who run from this point are self serving cowards. They'll bleat all day about how communication is important, yet say things like "they didn't ask, they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/23 09:58 AM |
| 1 | If you plan on having multiple simultaneous sexual partners, you should disclose that fact to all of themStarting a potential relationship off with deception isn't a good idea. I don't know how many stories I've read where people hide this shit, the person finds out several months down the line by the person slipping up or a friend slipping up, it gets revealed then, and the person breaks up with them because they felt lied to or wouldn't have went along with it. That's also what realistically happens. It's not really worth the risk. Someone is either okay with it or they aren't. Just inform them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/23 09:43 AM |
| 1 | If you plan on having multiple simultaneous sexual partners, you should disclose that fact to all of themThe OP is correct, you are committing a fallacy. Someone's willingness to sleep with someone on the first date has zero bearing about that person's views on sleeping with several other people at the same time. They are not the same thing. Case in point, the guy in the story obviously never thought that. Nor did OP. Or I. Yet those 3 slept with someone on the first date. That's 3 people, and I can tell you the woman I've did that with also don't think that's okay either. Nobody can just assume ev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/23 09:31 AM |
| 3 | The real reason men laud “players” and shame sluts is…The real reason of the double standard is because the sexes value different things. That's it. There is also a double standard of income. Women want men who earn more than they do. Yet I don't ever hear people who whine about this double standard point out that one.. The reason why for both? Because people erroneously assume men and women want the same things, and value the same things. They largely do, but it doesn't mean there aren't differences. Stop using equality to mean men and women = ide… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/23 08:11 AM |
| 1 | If you plan on having multiple simultaneous sexual partners, you should disclose that fact to all of themThe guy didn't make any assumptions. In fact the point you're complaining about is because he didn't make any assumptions. You're asking him to assume that she's sleeping around with other people. Why should he do that? Just because someone is single, people are to assume they are sleeping around with other people? Plenty of people who are single don't sleep around. So why should anybody assume that they are? He assumed nothing. People communicate with what they are doing. If she's sleeping arou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/23 07:33 AM |
| – | Men, do you actually reject women for this reason?The sexes value different things in partners and have different concerns. Men who want long term are concerned with paternity uncertainty, which isn't a concern to women. A woman who exercises restraint and doesn't sleep around with multiple men is more attractive as a long term partner as a result of that concern. Women who don't are not desirable as a long term partner. Most men probably don't even think about this, it's more like a visceral reaction they have, but it's the reason. Women who w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/23 11:02 AM |
| – | The problem with a lot of the tropes that dominate this sub is that few here can separate results from lifestyle.It's called the pareto distribution and it's applicable to many things in real life. It wasn't termed for online nerds to whine about dating. It existed long before that. The statistics from two different dating websites seem to confirm it in their own ways a decade apart. People just started quoting 80/20 by putting two and two together with the dating statistics roughly matching up to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/23 12:23 AM |
| 1 | Women’s preferences in men aren’t as unique as they think they areThe data is worthless for what it's being used to here by OP. It is? So there's no link between what's being noticed about height requirements from OLD and speed dating? Height requirements on tinder in Bios, and wasn't it something like Bumble/hinge where women were filtering out men 5'7 and blow? If it applies in those two aspects, two different methods of dating, one is real life speed dating, the other online, why would other methods of dating be any different? They "Don't count" as in they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/23 09:08 PM |
| 2 | Women’s preferences in men aren’t as unique as they think they areI find your view odd. On one hand you're saying the study is worthless. On the other hand you're essentially saying "listen to what the researchers suggest at this particular bit that supports my view." The researchers are essentially trying to soften the blow. If you read the part that essentially suggests "once more preferred men are out of the dating pool, some women may be forced to compromise". Which roughly translates to "Good news short men! Once all the tall men are snapped up, you'll ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/23 08:56 PM |
| 3 | Women’s preferences in men aren’t as unique as they think they areTake away "Ugly" and it no longer holds true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/23 08:42 PM |
| 5 | Are women's standards too high as a result of porn?That's not true in the slightest. Most fat men learn to humble themselves very quickly where they stand in the dating market. The alternative is being lonely, paying a prostitute (which is just a temporary fix, wouldn't fix being lonely) or losing weight. For the men that stay fat, humbling themselves is all they have. Women who are fat can still pull tons of males who are in shape for sex. A fat man can't do the same. So the complaint that 'fat acceptance' has, is that the girls want the men to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/23 08:31 AM |
| 5 | Are women's standards too high as a result of porn?How hot a woman is doesn't mean it makes her standards more humble. Honestly, I'd say that women who are lower on average tend to have higher standards when you look at it from a relative perspective. It doesn't deter them from wanting higher than where they are. Not that it's going to apply to all women, some humble themselves, but a large enough percentage don't. Just look to the fat acceptance movement, which is really just female fat acceptance. That wouldn't exist if girls humbled themselve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/23 07:20 AM |
| 11 | Are women's standards too high as a result of porn?That's a good summary. I was speaking to an ex and potentially considering meeting her and I learned she got heavily involved with these type of books. It didn't go as planned, and she tried to insult me at the end by telling me I'm the type of guy her books said she should run from. I laughed and responded back this is like me saying that because she's not dressed up in a maids outfit willing to service me 24/7, my games are telling me to run from her. The delusions of expecting a real person t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/23 02:29 AM |
| 1 | Red Pillers: What do you actually consider to be sufficient evidence of r*pe and SA?Someone already pointed out the issue with your statement, where you're misusing 'indeterminate' as a substitution of guilty, which means you're incorrectly misusing the information to push your propaganda. None of those anecdotes refer to the perspective shift I was referring to about being falsely accused. You are ignoring the human element to millions of women. I'm "ignoring" the human element of tens of thousands. Who is taking the human element more seriously? Do you understand what is mean… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/23 03:22 PM |
| 4 | Red Pillers: What do you actually consider to be sufficient evidence of r*pe and SA?I am dubious to the accuracy of those statistics because a lot of pro feminist websites like to peddle half truths on this particular subject. Regardless, the numbers don't matter to me as more so the principle of the issue. You're still spouting a utilitarian perspective on this and have created this false dilemma fallacy whereby I have to pick between siding with the idea of a woman or a man, and that I should side with a woman because the numbers are higher. I don't agree with your fallacy. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/23 03:02 PM |
| 7 | Red Pillers: What do you actually consider to be sufficient evidence of r*pe and SA?If the rapes aren't reported, how can you come to the conclusion they are actual rapes? By just believing the 'victim'? That's circular logic and a fallacy. Even if you are correct, your false dilemma fallacy that I'm picking a side between two is wrong. Nor is your Utalitarian outlook on this worth considering when you're talking about something as egregious as this. In this one example, it caused two suicides and bordered on a 3rd. Does your utalitarian outlook and stats account for things lik… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/23 02:07 PM |
| 12 | Red Pillers: What do you actually consider to be sufficient evidence of r*pe and SA?we should believe a person was a victim of a crime when they says they were the victim of a crime No, we shouldn't. Because this particular crime has dire consequences to the accused both on a social and personal level. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8718345/Sister-boy-17-killed-falsely-accused-rape-shares-ordeal.html This is one of the 'better' accusations where someone actually withdraws their claim. Mentally, the damage had already been done to the boy and he sadly killed himself … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/23 01:25 PM |
| -1 | CMV: It’s not misogynistic or controlling for men to expect/ask the women they date or marry to not dress like they are still singleMost women dress to get attention and there's nothing wrong with it when single. She should grab as much attention as she wants. But if she's still doing it when committed, men should have a word with her. If she's unwilling to change it, kick her to the curb. Let trash be trash. They might get some hyper bitchy combative women that want to cuss you out for it, but don't bother. Just laugh at them, ask them if they are done, and move on. Enforce this by removing them from your life for not meeti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/23 05:06 AM |
| 16 | The Stat "80% of Women Match with 20% of Men" isn't because of female hypergamy. It's because of the skewed gender ratio.Which is why a large percentage of women get stuck with men who commit crimes, physically hurt them, want bad boys that will ditch then and move on to the next woman and be stuck with a kid, and in general reward the complete opposite of everything you advocate for. Because they are selective and vetting men for all of that. Right. Some women do what you're suggesting. Unfortunately, that's not what most women select for. There was a fake profile that had a guy with model tier looks say he was a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/23 02:04 AM |
| 2 | We live in an age of equality but women's sexuality still hasn't caught up.That is sophistry. They didn't say they would be turned on by it. They said that they would be turned off by it. The "lack" of desire leads to them being less sexually interested, not by twisting what they meant to imply they meant it would be more if a man cried. Actions can cause people to get turned on as well as off, and in this context, it's clear that crying is something that tends to turn most women off. So it's not that they are implying that crying would lead to women being turned on, m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/23 01:39 AM |
| 1 | The Stat "80% of Women Match with 20% of Men" isn't because of female hypergamy. It's because of the skewed gender ratio.If men rate more women attractive than women do, and women rate far more men unattractive than men do, then of course it's going to skew the second point that you talk about where women are more likely than men to message in what they rate "below average". Because a woman's "below average" was completely unreasonable in the first place. 80%? as below average? Really? Also, a message back says nothing in of itself. It could be anything from "stop messaging me, creep" to "I'm fine thanks." or actu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 11:51 PM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.The study conducted in currys was obviously used by the demographic of people who shop there that were willing to participate. 5000 is a large enough sample just to talk about the average views people hold in society regarding clubbing. It doesn't need to be completely scientific in nature to find out the opinions the average person holds. The other study has 2000 people and demonstrates what's mostly known among people - people tend to cheat on holidays. Let's be clear here, that information is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 08:50 PM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.I informed my husband of this. He shook his head and laughed. Clearly, he doesn't see how wrong he is in his understanding of what a healthy relationship is. Good job dodging all the information I provided and focusing on that small part. It's almost as if what I said clamped up your responses. We both know why you didn't bother to address any of it. If you think you're correct, how about you respond to the articles and things I pointed out about them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 06:35 PM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.Have you ever been to a club? Yes, I'm in the UK and I've been going since I was 13 to the 'teenage' version of clubs. No alcohol served, but it didn't stop most teenagers turning up completely shit faced on alcohol and other drugs. The legal age here is 18, and some girls start hitting the legal ones at 16. I'm mid 30s now. Chances are, in the conversation between us, I have far more experience clubbing than you do. I dropped out going in my mid 20s somewhere or whenever I was in a relationship… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 05:58 PM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.I've had guys hit on me on the bus, should I now avoid public transport? This is a false equivalence. You are going to use public transport to move from location A to B to go about your daily business. It is not your fault if some random guy walks up to you in public and hits on you. That is an entirely different scenario than a person placing themselves into a social building that is designed explicitly for single people to meet. Night clubs are the one environment in society where it's sociall… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 07:26 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.I'd say that the people who jump from relationship There are multiple reasons why people jump from relationship to relationship, yours could be one of them. It's not just one reason. But the context I'm describing here is women who refuse to live up to the standards that most men have are going to be broken up with as a result, or it will lead to break up, and that's why they end up jumping from broken realtionship to the next, not learning. This happens to men as well. Men too stubborn to chang… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 05:01 AM |
| 2 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.It is a double standard. It's not the correct way to look at it though. Dating is full of double standards from both sexes. People need to stop look at dating through the lens of equality, as if both sexes are a clean slate and identical in every way, and because of that view, assume both sexes care the same about absolutely everything. They don't. Men and women are different. There are more similarities than differences, but that doesn't mean there aren't differences, and its the differences wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 02:08 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.In all but situation, I ended the relationships. I have no doubt. Some men are under the assumption they can argue and logic why because they don't want to lose the women they care about. I don't. Party girls get kicked to the curb, no exceptions. Party girls are colossal walking big red flags, and most are too stubborn and dig their heels in to accept why it's a red flag. It's a waste of time arguing, they get booted and I recommend men stop trying to logic women into it if they take issue with… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 12:18 AM |
| 2 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.People in general ultimately end up molding themselves to the opposite sexes standards to a fair degree, or they perpetually find themselves jumping from one failed relationship to the next until they come to terms with that. Women are given more leeway since they have the advantage in setting the terms, but it only goes so far. Guys generally don't take party girls serious. The women that refuse to try and meet the expectations of most men are going to find themselves in a difficult spot of att… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 08:51 PM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.https://nypost.com/2017/07/12/this-is-the-exact-age-when-clubbing-becomes-tragic/ " Almost 70 percent of respondents said they were happy when they met a long-term partner because it meant their days of looking for a mate in the bars and clubs was over and they could make the most of their nights in. " I must have posted this about 4 times now. This is a survey of around 5000 people. This answer implies that most people view clubbing as a young, but most importantly single lifestyle activity to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 08:23 PM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.That's what I said. The party girls end up getting ditched once it's been established they are party girls. The problem with your solution is that you seem to think that only party girls hit clubs, which is why your solution is a bad take. People who club come from all walks of life, not just party girls/guys. Most normal people have zero problem to stop hitting the clubs once they've found a partner and both have established they are in a committed relationship. Once it's been established a gir… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 08:13 PM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.There absolutely is. If you don't understand that, it's probably because you're not in it. Your view is fringe in society. Most people view clubbing as a single lifestyle activity. People willingly give it up while in a relationship and are glad to do so and prefer spending time with their partner over it. That's the done thing in society. If you're someone that thinks otherwise, the onus is on you to make most normal people aware of that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 08:05 PM |
| – | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.And I'm pointing out back at you that according to society, your view is problematic. If you don't care about societies standards, why the hell do you think people should care about your stance on what's problematic? Especially when it's going against the status quo? What makes your views so special that anybody should give a damn? You didn't even rationalize why. You just posted it as if it's the norm. Which is why I informed you that it is not. The point is, you are the minority view on this. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 01:00 PM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.Oh, I think people who are cheating are doing so because they want to. That's a bit too black and white of a lens to view the world by to assume all people who cheat do so with the intent to cheat. Circumstantial cheating happens a lot. It's that common, it's a trope in drama shows. A couple going through a rocky stage in their relationship with a big fight, the girl goes out with her friends to a club to cheer herself up, gets a bit drunk, has a very attractive man hitting on her, her toxic fri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 12:46 PM |
| 3 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.It is in my mind Cool. But by societies standards, your view is the problematic one. Are you really in a position to start telling people their views are problematic when it's yours that is mostly viewed that way? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 12:24 PM |
| 7 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV." I'm sorry but... in what way, specifically, do I need to "work on myself" where this issue is concerned? " You are placing the onus upon a person for having an issue with their partner wishing to club, as if they are abnormal for doing so. The issue isn't his. That's how most people in society view clubs, and yes, a partner wanting to hit the clubs raises alarm bells to most people. It's a normal stance to take. Which means yours is the fringe one, that people should be okay with it. You shoul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 11:43 AM |
| 13 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.If a woman wants to go to a club while in a relationship, there are bigger issues at play here. Massive red flag. A survey of almost 5000 people were asked why they stopped clubbing. " Almost 70 per cent of respondents said they were happy when they met a long-term partner because it meant their days of looking for a mate in the pubs and clubs was over and they could make the most of their nights in. " The above answer of a survey of 5000 people shows that most people view clubbing as a single l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 11:03 AM |
| 0 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.I was having another discussion that got lengthy and someone posted this article thinking it refuted me, when it really confirmed my point. 5000 people surveyed. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/new-study-reveals-most-people-stop-clubbing-at-31-and-at-37-it-is-considered-tragic/news-story/370de10613c9a9e3fb9dc095d6c792f0 I want to draw attention to this specifically: "Almost 70 per cent of respondents said they were happy when they met a long-term partner because it meant their days of looking … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 08:20 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV." Almost 70 per cent of respondents said they were happy when they met a long-term partner because it meant their days of looking for a mate in the pubs and clubs was over and they could make the most of their nights in. " Isn't this exactly what I've been saying? I should actually thank you, those articles are proving my point. I have read these before by the way, I just couldnt be fucked looking for this discussion. This should tell you what the general consensus is about pubs/clubs and why mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 04:25 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV." Almost 70 per cent of respondents said they were happy when they met a long-term partner because it meant their days of looking for a mate in the pubs and clubs was over and they could make the most of their nights in. " Isn't this exactly what I've been saying? I should actually thank you, those articles are proving my point. I have read these before by the way, I just couldnt be fucked looking for this discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 04:15 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.Okay, so it's about 60%. That's still a vast majority of the population. Yes, you're correct. Most people my age have stopped. I did say that most people taper off when older, I only go out maybe twice a year. One because a friend of mine, she always wants to club for her birthday, and the other is halloween night. Halloween night is by far the best night out of the entire year to hit the night club, so those findings are consistent with me. But I spent enough time in my youth to know exactly wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 04:11 AM |
| 6 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV."Boundary - a real or imagined line that marks the edge or limit of something". A boundary in context to a relationship for most people is a verbalized limit of what someone will be okay with or not okay with having in their relationship. If that limit is crossed, most people are prepared to leave. No, it's not just about how other's treat you, it can also apply to the limits on what someone is prepared to accept when in a committed relationship with someone else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 03:46 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.I'm in my mid 30s and have been frequenting clubs since I was 13 due to the place I was brought up in. I'll assume you're american and you have to wait even longer than the average person to hit the clubs. In the UK it's as young as 18 and girls start getting in at 16. About 70-80% of people visit clubs. The party girls are nowhere near that high a percentage. It tapers off the more older people get. It's delusional to think everybody who hits the clubs are party goers. Even introverts hit the o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 03:36 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV." Have you tried not dating girls that party, aka party girls, regardless of their relationship status. " Have you tried reading my response to your canned point? I already refuted this a long long time ago. The majority of single people when single, do the same activities as party girls. Your solutionnis retarded, I pointed out about 3 issues with it. The canned response doesn't work, get a better argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 03:26 AM |
| -2 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.That is the status quo though. They are going against the status quo. Party guys/girls are notorious for being hookup/short term due to their party lifestyle. If they want someone committed to them that is going to be okay with that, the responsibility is just as much on them as it is other people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 03:23 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.That's a false dichotomy and strawman mixed into one. Impressive. I believe most women are reasonable. Party girls aren't. They are toxic and deluded, and most waste end up single and miserable and washed up in their 40s. I'm just pointing out why your standard is ridiculous that men should ignore the large majority of healthy women who cut single lifestyles out for the few rotten percentage that can't cope with being dumped because of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 03:12 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV."Reality is don't date someone who posts social media content you wouldn't be comfortable with." This doesn't reflect reality at all. Plenty of women hit clubs and post thirst traps when single, yet don't want to do it when in a committed relationship. Majority of people who aren't explicitly the party girl/guy, in fact. This is a chronically online take. Most people who enter into relationships cut that shit out when into a relationship, and it's ridiculous to hold it against them doing it when… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 03:08 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV." Except he is dating her despite her partying and giving her no reason to think otherwise " Do you not just understand what I outlined earlier? ALL people who aren't in a committed relationship do this, not just party girls. MOST people stop it when entering into a relationship though. And it is just as much the party girls responsibility to find this information out, as it is the mans to say he won't date a woman like it if she has any ideas about commitment. The onus is on both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 03:00 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV." She's dating a man that accepts her partying lifestyle. The onus falls on the person that wants change as with all changes. Commitment is change from dating, that's why it requires a conversation. " No, she isn't. If he accepted her party lifestyle, there obviously wouldn't be an issue with it. But there is. She mistakenly believed he accepted her party lifestyle. But she was wrong. No ifs or butts about it. So it is as much her responsibility in her OWN involvement with a man to bring up thes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 02:49 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV."Sounds like it is, since it sucks " I guess any committed relationship isn't for you then. All forms of committed relationships have people changing their behaviour to acommodate their partner in some manner. Perhaps you'll find some special unique circumstance, but for most average people, that is not the case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 02:45 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV." You can't have a conversation before committing?? Does your voice not work? " That works both ways. A woman is just as responsible for figuring this shit out just as much as the guy is. If she doesn't want to date a man who expects her to give the party lifestyle up, it is just as much her responsibility to voice these things as well. Not to start screeching that the dude is insecure and controlling when it happens. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 02:42 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.What accountability do I have to take in your dating choices?? You can take accountability for your answers. They are retarded. That's what I'm addressing. You are saying that men shouldn't date women doing these things. -I've pointed out several times how retarded of a take that is. I've pointed out why there's nothing wrong with clubbing or posting for attention if single. So it's a bad response to say men shouldn't date women who do those things. - I've also pointed out that the large percent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 02:35 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.That's what a monogamous relationship is at it's very core. You are giving up the ability to sleep around and date other people to be in a committed relationship with someone else. That's a change in behaviour. It expands just beyond that physical aspect, but a lot of modern toxic women are completely delulu and want to have a single lifestyle and a relationship at the same time. Not all women, just the toxic ones. It's not the way I describe it that's the problem, it's the delusional mindset an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 02:23 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.Quite a few women. Very few. You're being unrealistic expecting men to swear off all women who go clubbing and post thirst traps, because those are fine to do when single. Those things aren't the issue in of themselves. Only when a woman is incapable of giving them up while in a relationship. There's a large percentage (most women) who actually don't do that kind of stuff when in a relationship, and you're asking all men to swear off dating them for your delusional solution. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 02:15 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.That is you judging solely after the fact. If I'm 22, and I'm looking for a girlfriend, and I go to the club, which almost all women women do, how am I able to separate the party girls going clubbing, to the good women who are just doing it because they are just having fun, yet would give it up if they met a man if they were in a commited relationship? We've already established there's nothing wrong with men/women clubbing or taking seductive pictures of themselves when single. So how am I able … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 01:51 AM |
| -2 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.You also can't assume everyone is in their 30s and has picked up knowledge or is on an equal playing field in how to date either. Everyone I've spoken to in this comment section so far is looking at dating as if everyone is fairly experienced and researched on this topic, and is never given good faith to young and inexperienced people to learn. It also takes two to tango, the same concept can be reversed. Why are women who want a far more casual and loose attitude not explicitly establishing tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 01:36 AM |
| 1 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.Dating doesn't happen with crystal ball knowledge. People take dating progressively and learn from experience. Men/women hitting the clubs in their early 20s for example or women posting thirst trap pictures is accepted when single. This isn't considered a problem. When a relationship starts to develop and a woman refuses to adjust her behaviour to be committed to her man, it's only then you understand she's a party girl. Unless you had prior knowledge, or are good at picking up on reading peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 01:26 AM |
| 0 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.So the women destroying her own long term potential dating prospects by jumping from one bad relationship to the next, is doing it intentionally, and somehow it's the man's issue to deal with? lol, it's the women that gets screwed over here, not the men. A man will just dump her ass and move on to the next women with healthy views on dating. It's the girl that refuses to adjust to the standards of men that is going to suffer in the long term. The party girl doesn't win in this situation at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 01:01 AM |
| -5 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.Those women are crying, when they continiously jump from short term relationship from short term relationship after being dumped, refusing to understand why they can't land a good man who'll stick around. The party girls you talk about are known for exactly that. Incapable of landing a good man, not being taken seriously, and are only considered for short term fun. Who's problem do you think that is? The men's or women's? Why do you think that is? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 12:53 AM |
| -6 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV." That's a man problem. Don't date someone that likes partying and dressing like that. Those women exist. " No, it's a women problem. Women don't get to set the standards men have. Men don't get to set the standards women have. They can debate about wether the standards are reasonable or not, but they can't set them. I say it is a womans problem, because if she refuses to live up to the standards that generally most men set and share, it is her that is going to face the issues of ending up in on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 12:46 AM |
| -2 | "Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV.Plenty of people change their behaviour when it comes to a relationship. Things that are considered perfectly okay to do while single or non exclusive, become an issue when in a committed relationship to do. Most of those behavior's listed are fine on their own when single, but most men don't consider them okay to do while in a relationship. Most modern women just don't want to accept what "commitment" means. It doesn't just mean not physically having sex with someone else. What exactly is showi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/23 12:32 AM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?There is nothing wrong with the stats. They don't say what you think they say. It's your understanding of the stats and how you use them that is the issue. If one person by the age of 40 had sex one time in their life, they will be included as someone in that data that isn't a virgin. But that's just one day. One day since the age of 18. There's 8,029 days in between. If they had nothing since, no relationship, no sex, that's 8029 days since the age of 18 vs 1 day they had sex. You think it's re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 09:12 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?Are you still trying to push this false correlation that someone having had sex one time so they technically don't classify as a virgin means that their dating life is fine? Holy hell. You need to stop that, it's a stupid take. Buddy, that doesn't say ANYTHING. It's not detailed enough to grab an analysis from. It's an interesting stat, but nothing more. It could include men who sleep around and have a body count of 300, it could include men who have okay dating lifes. But it could also include … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 08:55 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?Your advice is for men to adjust to the standards women set. That will improve his chances as an individual. But it's a low IQ take. It will not fix the core root of the issue, which is the delusional standards that are being set in the first place. Women certainly aren't being asked to live up to the same standards, and certainly not for an average man. If you're not concerned with how society is going in that way, why are you here discussing it? There are obviously people who are reading the w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?It's neither, that's a false dichotomy. The point of bringing up the morbidly obese girl was to point out how your advice of doing more is not a reflection of the issue. If morbidly obese women can have better dating lifes than men who do actually look after themselves, your stance that dating life is dependent upon those who work on themselves is shown to be incorrect. It shows the massive disparity between the sexes. That a fat obese women will still have more opportunities than a man who take… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 08:18 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?I point out to you a simple enough example, one that even a child could understand - That a 200-300lb fat girl who's morbidly obese will still have more dating opportunities than an average in shape guy, and you are still coping with coming to terms with that knowledge by deflecting it back onto men. You: "B-but-b-but, it isn't 'hard mode'! Maybe some guys just aren't meant to date?" No, you just can't mentally cope with that that information. It goes against your worldview on it, and we can't h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 07:55 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?There's legitimacy in the complaint. Whining for the sake of whining is bitchy, but if there's a legit issue, it's what should happen. It should be brought up as an issue, especially if it's relevant in a discussion to how dating is different between the sexes. The reason you don't care about it, is because it doesn't effect you. I don't think you'll share the same opinion about things in life that do effect you. Women live dating life on easy mode. The fact that a morbidly fat girl has far more… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 07:44 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?You've still not addressed my point. I'm going to keep repeating this point until it's addressed, you can decide to respond or not, but until it is addressed I'm not going to let it go. You have advocated that men should work on themselves and do more to get more opportunities to date. Yet women who are grossly overweight and clearly do not take care of themselves still have significantly more dating opportunities than men who do. So even if men were to take you up on your advice, it is nothing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 07:18 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?Tinder mirrors Okcupid dating findings despite being a decade apart. You've not addressed my point. You are asking for men to do more, yet women who do less still get more opportunities in dating than men already doing more than those women doing less. That either indicates that men's standards are low, or at least lower than womens, or that women's are too high. Take your pick, but either way it reflects negatively upon women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 07:07 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?What do you mean more complaining and excuses? You brought up the point of saying men could do more. That's implying they should work on themselves. I pointed out the double standard here that women who actually don't look after themselves still do better than men who do. When a woman who is grossly overweight has more dating opportunities purely on the basis they are a woman over someone who looks after themselves as a man, that should indicate something about the unrealistic expectations that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?You'll see landwhale women still tend to do better than most average men, men that keep themselves in shape and look after their bodies. Are they working on themselves and 'doing more' to get better results? No, they aren't. All of this is constant deflection. A way to avoid accountability. It's the dating companies. It's not paying. It's men not admitting they could do more. It's every excuse under the sun thrown out rather than just admit than women are shallow and have unrealistic standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 06:48 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?Yes, they are observing the things people such as yourself say don't apply to those types of men. If you want picture proof, I can happily send you a picture of my friend and you'll see why. It's not as if I don't have those exs who are women and saw them use these dating apps either. Occams Razor: Women are shallow and the data indicates as such, or all men are gullible idiots, desperate enough to sign up to dating websites and be lured into paying, and all the companies are only there to keep … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 06:25 PM |
| – | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?This is a cope response. I have a friend who's 6'7 and built who had several hundred tinder matches and didn't pay a dime. You can't buy success like you're implying. I've hooked up and developed relationships with around 8 women online and never had to pay once. You don't pay and get quality as a result. That's nothing more than an assertion. Occam's Razor applies here. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Women are shallow. The data is reflecting that fact. Men are also shallow… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 05:54 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?That's a decade of peoples life you're talking about. The decade where people enter into the adult dating world and find out for themselves what dating is like. What do you think will happen as a man once you leave high school, go to college/uni, have the idea of finding a woman to be in a relationship with, and see all women ignore most men and concentrate only on a small percentage of men? For the first decade of their life when entering into adulthood? What sort of perception do you think tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 05:46 PM |
| – | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?The point I was making about Tinder is that a dating app/website being free has zero bearing on whether you'll get success or how popular it will become, which was the points you made about Okcupid and PoF being free. Tinder completely counters any points you made above. The issue wasn't the dating websites. It's how women are choosing to date these days and their standards being too unrealistic. Online dating is around how 1 in 3-4 couples meet, and it's probably going to increase as the techni… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?That's an outdated belief. Modern women don't operate like that and neither do most men. As a man, what's the use in It's not just long term they operate on, it's also short term. Especially when younger. If you're being honest, how many women in their 18-28 range do you think are looking to settle down for a partner? Most want to go clubbing, have fun, party, be chased by plenty of men and have fun with the hot ones. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 05:05 PM |
| – | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?Tinder started out free and still is free, and became the biggest dating website in existence that all other sites now emulate. Where's your logic concerning being free about that? Why are you also falsely asserting that paying for a dating website will magically guarantee quality of matches and success? Again, none of what you said refuted the stats and what they indicate. It was more cope responses. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 04:57 PM |
| – | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?The two biggest free websites at the time was Okcupid and PoF. I think badoo was there as well, but that got a reputation for high bot usage. Okcupid/PoF were the two websites people were predominantly using who weren't willing to pay $30/month and that's why they were the most popular when you filter out premiums. Yes, Match and others were the highest. But they were all paid services that you needed to pay to message others. Okcupid/PoF made their reputations by allowing you to message others … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 04:19 PM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?If they found most men below average, it logically follows that this would be reflected in the stats. If I found 99% of people unattractive and responded to 10 people, it's going to skew the idea of how more likely I am to give unattractive people a chance. In reality though, my judgement is completely off the chart of being unreasonable. It's not something that should be looked at it in a positive light. It actually shows the inverse, women are far more judgmental on looks if they are rating mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 08:37 AM |
| – | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?These are ridiculous counterpoints. Okcupid was one of the biggest dating websites back then for a start. Aside from that, how does women messaging back refute they find the majority of men unattractive? It doesn't. It's another point entirely. But on that point, unless it follows up specifically to state that those that were messaged back led to something, it's meaningless. The quality of response back matters. Any man that has used dating websites knows full well getting a message back doesn't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 08:10 AM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?She is voluntary single. She's too busy grieving to consider dating anybody. That's a choice she's making. You don't understand what is implied by the "voluntary" or "involuntary" part because you're only applying it to one specific individual. Could a woman be in a relationship/find a partner if she wanted to? Perhaps they've not met anybody who would meet her standards to date. They want a relationship; but can't find anybody to date or who is willing to date them at the standard they want. Th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/23 07:48 AM |
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