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Every major American city has its own quirks. NYC is where the top 10% of women go to find a top 1% husband. I've seen a lot of dissatisfaction from women that try to date there because the average dating-aged man there is obscenely high value. NYC might be the only place in the US where women have it "harder" compared to the dudes. Honestly though, it's really self-imposed. A lot of those women grew up with a silver spoon in their mouths and watched too much Sex and the City, so they demand a h…
/r/AllPillDebate18/01/23 09:01 PM
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As I said to another commenter, the body of the post was discussing female:male sex ratios, and how a 1:1 ratio is suboptimal. I explicitly advocated for boosting female births, and hypothetical biomedical strategies to go about accomplishing this at the point of conception. I didn't advocate for abortions, mandates, euthanasia, or anything of the sort.
/r/AllPillDebate18/01/23 05:28 PM
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Nope, not even alluded to/implied it. The body of the post was discussing female:male sex ratios, and how a 1:1 ratio is suboptimal. I explicitly advocated for boosting female births, and hypothetical biomedical strategies to go about accomplishing this at the point of conception. I didn't advocate for abortions, mandates, euthanasia, or anything of the sort.
/r/AllPillDebate18/01/23 05:19 AM
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Skincare routines are about maintaining your youthful skin. You won't always look 24. Start using moisturizing sunscreen + Retinol yesterday. Your 34 yo self will thank you for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:15 AM
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The problem is you said "Fathers rape their kids".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 09:10 PM
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Poor attempt to pivot away from your bad take (I agree someone should not be under the control of someone else until 25) That's not the point of contention.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 08:21 PM
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Nope. You said, "Fathers rape their children." Not some fathers, just "fathers". Because a handful of black people commit crimes, do you think it's acceptable to say "Black people commit crimes"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 07:55 PM
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fathers rape their kids. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 05:47 PM
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Yes, it's true. OP is talking about forming friendships. Once we know a guy is cool, he's cool but men have many of the same suspicions women do when it comes to male newcomers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 12:41 PM
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Men. Do. Not. Make. Women's. Lives. Better. Always and in all circumstances. That's why no women are in relationships or happy marriages. Oh, wait...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 12:28 PM
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That's always the rub when analyzing intersectional privileges and obstacles. With enough factors and variables, what you end up with is... an individual. But back to the topic of your post. Most of women's perceived social privileges (i.e. the ones we don't have hard stats to back up, such as the ratio of women's shelters to men's shelters) are the combination of two things: pretty privilege (which a sizeable portion of women don't benefit from at all and diminshes increasingly with age) appear…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 11:31 PM
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Banal take. Obviously people are going to look for someone that "adds value" but that's entirely subjective and sidesteps the question of "how much value?" A guy that is nice, attractive, won't treat his GF like a mommy-mcbangmaid, and makes $90,000 a year is still inferior to the guy that is nice, super hot, won't treat his GF like a mommy-mcbangmaid, and makes $400,000 a year. If women are "holding out" for the the latter type of guy, which seems to increasingly be the case, then that's a prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 08:49 PM
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No it doesn't work unless you're incredibly attractive. A big part of women's attraction centers around social and emotional intelligence. Which you can't demonstrate when you're sitting in a corner looking awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 08:29 PM
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90% of attractiveness for women boils down to facial aesthetics. 90% of attractiveness for men boils down to both facial aesthetics and height. And even if we ignore the height aspect, women have a huge leg up on men when it comes to facial aesthetics. Men are more likely to have receding hairlines as we age which wrecks our facial thirds. Women's facial attractiveness centers around neoteny and dimorphically feminine features; for a man to be conventionally facially attractive, it has to strike…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:46 PM
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A large part of blackpill and the male looksmaxxing community is understanding where you are and what your "aesthetic potential" is. A lot of men are lazy and don't want to put in the work, I'll concede on that. But there are a lot of cases where maxing out everything you can will provide little, if any, benefit to dating. In these cases, I don't it's necessarily bad for men who got dealt a bad hand in the genetics department to give up. The unfortunate truth that I have been harping on for ages…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 05:48 PM
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I would say there is a nontrivial chance most of the women would get with most of the men they see on OLD if they were forced to interact in person. The online medium heavily impacts womens ability to make reasonable judgments. Right, which is why women either approach OLD with a very non-commital attitude or opt out entirely. It's an extremely sub-optimal way for finding a partner, akin to trying to fit a square peg through a round hole. Sure, it's theoretically possible but that square peg bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 03:05 AM
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I think you're overestimating the amount of men that demand perfection in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 02:48 AM
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Either because he thought he couldn't do any better or it didn't feel like settling at the time, but changed his mind later on because he's thrill seeking, doesn't have good values, forgot that marriage isn't very exciting after the honeymoon phase and takes a lot of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 09:16 PM
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Women like you will talk a big game about vetting, compatibility, and values until it comes to first time sex. Explain to me these two competing narratives: "I will die single and alone before marrying someone with incompatible or misogynistic values." "Uh oh, things are getting pretty hot and heavy with this guy I'm seeing. I'll just assume he has a Madonna-Whore complex and risk wasting a huge chunk of my time and energy with a guy that has that mindset."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 09:11 PM
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It still demonstrates a tolerance of the Madonna-Whore complexes in long-term partners that women claim to hate, because the flip side of that coin is (potentially) a man deciding your value based on how soon you have sex with him. In a way, the M-W complex is a perfect out for women because you can always blame the "socially reinforced" complex to excuse what is really just "different rules for different guys".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:34 PM
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Women dumb enough to not understand selection bias shouldn't be allowed to breed. The future human race thanks you for your service.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 05:53 PM
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Wow, so men who frequent strip clubs are more likely to cheat? Color me shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 05:51 PM
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Hey, I hate to be the one to tell you this but not all Asians are Chinese. You sound kinda racist ngl. That WIRED article is also pre-pandemic lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:25 PM
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Ah you’re a boomer who thinks China still only makes toys and clothes in sweatshops in 2022. Where did I say that? We were talking about computer chips not total manufacturing output. Try to stay on topic, ok? Ok buddy, enjoy your life while DJI has complete monopoly on drones, and while Google’s engineering dept is like 70% Asian (who are steadily repatriating to China) Any proof on that repatriation figure? Specifically regarding a net outflux of engineers out of the U.S. and back to China? Do…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 10:56 PM
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What are you talking about? China (the PRC that is, not ROC) has never been good at manufacturing anything except low end chips. The export controls were because every medium to high-end chips were being used to aggressively expand their own military. When Winnie the Pooh decides to stop being an asshole and engaging in Wolf Warrior diplomacy, he can have his high end chips back. Until then, he can choke on the incoming demographic crisis brought on by the one child policy. The US’s mistreatment…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 10:33 PM
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I don't blame "the world", I blame boomer NIMBYs that made rent and housing unaffordable with their "fuck you, I got mine" attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 08:59 PM
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Have you been following world news at all recently? The US is in a better position to weather the coming decades than Russia, China, North AND South Korea.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 08:58 PM
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Because OLD (and social media) are increasingly how heterosexual couples are partnering up, while other methods like work and through mutual friends are declining. Blackpill may essentially be reified to certain degrees through an individual's environment, but does not necessarily have to apply if the individual has a rich social life with ample and frequent opportunities to meet single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 06:12 PM
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The reverse is also true with the (albeit smaller) percentage of men a woman finds physically attractive, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 06:06 PM
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Pew research did a good breakdown of the Democratic voter base that I agree with. So left-leaning is encompassing of all those top four categories in that table. "Leftie" is a label I would assign only to the "Progressive Left" coalition and their views. In simpler terms, the epistemological line I would draw between a leftie and the rest of the left leaning population is their thoughts on capitalism. Does it need to be reformed? Liberal/social Liberal. Abolished and replaced with a certain flav…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 12:15 AM
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Men underrate how much very young (15-22ish) women want to, are curious to, or feel a need to be in relationships regardless of appearances. Actually I agree. I've overheard a lot conversations of zoomer girls talking about needing a boyfriend like some kind of handbag or accessory. I'd argue that's the main reason you see non-looksmatched young couples where the girl is better looking. She was curious and he was first.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 05:54 PM
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Left leaning does not mean leftist. I have met plenty of nerdy, quiet, and/or shy guys with leftist beliefs. They're pretty common in comic book/game stores in any big city in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 05:10 PM
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Of course you will. Just know that lot more social damage is done when you fuck up as a single mom of a son compared to a single mom of a daughter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 06:13 PM
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What exactly do you think young men and boys people are going to do if year after year, swipe after swipe online dating fast food meal after fast food meal delivers fewer and fewer results health benefits? Do you see where I'm going with this or do I need to clarify a bit more?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 06:03 PM
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A recent study of 151 self-identified incels (I believe it was an online survey and small-ish sample size, so take it with a grain of salt I guess) revealed they aren't actually that partisan. 38.85% were right-leaning 44.70% were left-leaning 17.47% were centrist Anecdotal, but this lines up with my experience. I think the right-leaning subgroup is just more vocal about it. https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/news/incels-are-not-particularly-right-wing-or-white-but-they-are-extremely-depressed-anxio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 05:53 PM
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If you do choose to go down the IVF route, can you do us all a favor and not have any sons? Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 05:23 PM
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In a past comment you said you were 40 and married for 20+ years, so this would explain your lack of perspective on dating related issues. Anyone who's been "out of the game" for 12+ years, like yourself, who tries to speak authoritatively on current dating issues needs to be put in their place. You have no idea what you're talking about, and attempting to neatly totalize issues into the "Just World" fallacy makes you just as worse as the RedPillers trying to simplify everything down to "out of …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 06:05 PM
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It destroys relationships if that poison finds its way into the mind of someone already in one. I was listening to a relationship call-in type show where one guy was doing a post-mortem on the relationship. The ex-girlfriend found her way into pill-oriented subs and would spent hours looking for misogynistic comments that she would catastrophize to the boyfriend about. When he disagreed about the severity of the problem, suddenly he was "gaslighting" her and an emotional abuser in her eyes. Even…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 05:43 PM
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Declining social capital reifies the blackpill. That's why you see short Latinos with girlfriends and why most incels are white.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 10:34 AM
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Speaking as the appointed representative of all men... Why not assume everyone is speaking for themself?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 10:42 PM
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I know I'm right, and you're male clientele are just as much to blame. Not that I hate you or your job, but strippers that have an axe to grind against men are a dime a dozen; your job forces you to see a slice of the male population at their worst. We used to have another commenter on here that was a stripper from NYC that would post similar screeds trying to troll as many male users as possible. It was amusing until it got old.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:23 AM
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Women don’t even need men anymore!!! Seems a bit hypocritical since your current lifestyle is being subsidized by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:05 AM
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You are the only hypersensitive person who made that leap. Is the RedPiller in the room with us right now? Point to where he is...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 11:30 PM
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It's not that there was sarcasm, it's that you're making a ridiculous leap from the sarcastic comment to "shaming women" in a way that makes you look like a paranoid schizo.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 11:24 PM
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Oh right, the sarcasm. I forgot you can perfectly interpret meaning and subtext from sarcasm alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 11:04 PM
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I don't see the part where he was shaming women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 10:31 PM
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Felt like I was being talked down to the entire time. Put it down after I realized nothing the book was saying was new or revolutionary. People that probably need to read it include: those who grew up and/or still are very sexually repressed those who didn't receive (or aren't receiving) a halfway decent sex education. those who have no idea that there exists a mental and emotional component for sexual attraction, especially for women. Although if you're a post-25 guy that doesn't understand tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 10:21 PM
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So now we’ve jumped from 7000 years ago to a mythical prehistoric where there’s no evidence whatsoever about how humans lived Evidence exists that it was quite a shitty time in history to live. Infant mortality rates were extremely high. Life expectancy was between 22-33 years old when including infant mortality and 54 if you could make it past 15. I mean you can bitch and moan all you want but this was how humans evolved throughout most of our 200,000 year history. The 7,000 years since humans …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 07:57 PM
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Pre-agricultural revolution, no one had any agency. 100% of all decisions and conscious thought revolved around basic survival. Concepts like, feminism, agency, and gender equality might as well be an alien language when there is no guarantee of your actual most basic needs being met. All a prehistorical woman knew was that there existed this other type of of larger physically stronger human with a penis that was willing to go out, perform dangerous work (so she wouldn't have to), and hunt food …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 07:31 PM
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What I read into the post, obviously. Do you think it's likely that if OP's intimacy/companionship needs were being met, he would've written the post in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:12 PM
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I would disagree on that as I've been friends with several fuckbois. Having observed their interactions with women, 95% of the time it's just classic flaky, avoidant behavior. Most of these guys aren't the scheming narcissists women paint them to be. They're just hedonistic himbos that crave sexual variety and lack empathy and introspection. The reason they keep "getting away with it" is because they're hot. If it felt real it's because it was real. Just only in that particular moment and he wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:04 PM
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Boyfriend/husband material = Madonna Himbo/Fuckboy = Whore
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:48 PM
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Pretty sure that's his root problem from what I'm reading. Let's ask him: u/CeleryOrdinary8987 Is your post implying that dating is an obstacle to intimacy and companionship, which is what you really want?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:46 PM
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That is true from what I and other men I've talked to have experienced. I would've been open to at least dating all 3 of my ONSs but after the 2nd ghost, I stopped asking. Wasn't even clingy, just mentioned I'd like to see them again and heard nothing. Pump-and-dumps actually make up a very small percentage of even casual sex interactions because in nearly all casual sex arrangements, both the man and the woman are acutely aware of the casual nature and invest accordingly (which is not very much…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:36 PM
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It's absolutely true. There is always the subconscious temptation to design a narrative in your head to excuse yourself morally if things go south and you end up not really being into the person. ...but it's also not gender specific. Nobody views themself as a villain in the narrative they write for themselves in their head. It's just plain selfishness and ego protection. Damaged women who self-destruct relationships when things are going too well have very similar excuses. They're just much bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:16 PM
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My post? I'm not the OP. But regardless, saying "lol just don't date" isn't very helpful when the root problem is lack of intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 09:55 PM
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Different beauty standards mainly. Western conventional beauty standards are predominantly Euro-centric but Western male beauty standards are both Euro-centric and hyperspecific/deterministic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 09:51 PM
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That's a bad analogy though. A better one would be: "Playing tennis doesn't appeal to me, but I still have this unshakeable urge deep inside me to win a set." Dating is just the vehicle to meet a basic normal human desire for intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 09:41 PM
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Women aren't here to make dating appealing (generally) to anyone, neither are men here to make dating appealing to women as a whole, only specifically as a collaborative effort with someone they choose and someone who chooses them. I mean, obviously no one is entitled to an "appealing" experience but there is a whole lot you can do to make it the exact opposite of appealing. If at a certain point the perceived negatives outweigh the potential positives then you're going to get more people who th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 09:32 PM
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Considering America has just rid of the right to an abortion This is an incredibly simplistic take on the recent ruling there’s rumours of making birth control difficult to get Doubt it, except in extremely red states and even there a ban on the birth control pill is extremely unlikely. We told you guys this would affect you too It's changed nothing. The only people who keep preaching this are those so affected by intersectional brain-rot they think they need to collectively punish members of "t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 08:10 PM
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That's why I said hybrid. There's no false dichotomy. I'm obviously not advocating for taking away women's bodily autonomy. Just that there are cultures with women that view relationships with men as being a fulfilling cooperative marathon instead of a liability. Implicit in my "career boss bitch stereotype" is that these are women that view men with hostility and contempt. They probably (& hopefully) won't be reproducing much, so the problem is ultimately self-fixing, although it may take a gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 09:16 PM
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Cool. Post it. I expect to see that 99% somewhere in your study.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 09:00 PM
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I know. Read my comment again: But not of genetics, of culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 08:50 PM
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I believe you. Lots of attractive women have publicly admitted to barely getting any attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 08:39 PM
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It's called natural selection. But not of genetics, of culture. Hybrid liberal-traditional cultures with strong nuclear families over replacement birth rates would be the most optimal outcome (i.e. contemporary Latino-Americans) The career boss-bitch stereotype will die out in a hundred years. It really only applies to UMC and UC, which most women won't be in their lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 08:21 PM
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I think most surveys have shown that the majority of single women are not on dating apps, and I believe that. But from observing the behavior of other women your age (post-college 20s) all I see is apathy. These social settings that exist to bring men and women together don't happen frequently anymore in the post-pandemic world. And when they do, it's like a 4:1 man to woman sausage fest. Single women are rare, let alone quality single women. It's funny. Women have never had more power to dictat…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:16 PM
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Somewhat, yes. Attractive guys will date and get into relationships below their league since it eliminates a lot of early insecurities/roadbumps in the early stages. It certainly adds a lot of stability because you are essentially brute forcing raw physical attraction. Everything about a heterosexual relationship is just easier for the guy when he knows she's infatuated with him. He basically holds all the cards and he knows it. Some will exploit this and that's how you end up with situations wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 09:18 PM
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Like groomed, fit, fun is universally attractive and sloppy, fat and lame isn't anything anyone wants? You realize this is a spectrum, not a binary right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:19 PM
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Also... Looks imbalance = power differential that a lot of guys feel comfortable in. And I'm admitting this as someone who's dated a not so great looking woman. We both knew I was out of her league (She admitted this to be btw). The enthusiasm and effort she put into what we had going was unreal. Literally zero drama, sky high sex drive, and would go out of her way to do random shit for me. Women on this very sub have admitted to craving validation from a man they see as "above them". If we're t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:02 PM
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It doesn't matter. You just fit into a stereotype and it's funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:04 PM
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For myself, I'm bi and open to dating women and non-binary people too. Not that I've ever actually been on a date with anyone, but that's besides the point. Tell me you're a Gen Z woman without telling me you're a Gen Z woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 04:57 PM
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What you're probably seeing is a disproportionate number of disagreements vs agreements. The former tends to lead to longer comment chains and more engagements. This is how its always been in debate style forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:33 PM
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How many more variations of the "women don't need men anymore, sweetie 💅💅💅" narrative do you think we need?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:28 AM
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Either you weren't paying attention to the question being asked or you're deliberately dodging the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:09 AM
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Q4W: What is it about your friend's boyfriend that you hate?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:11 PM
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Basically, what I'm saying is, women will always come off as the ones who could be doing something about their situation, but have too many hang-ups and not even raw fucking libido to even go for it. Actually true. I get along pretty well with friends' girlfriends, so it's always interesting to hear about these supposed "hang-ups" their single girlfriends have. None of it is really that surprising, echoing much of the same sentiments you see from women on here. The guys on OLD suck, men only wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 09:52 PM
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How about you post a link to the actual study and not an article referencing the study
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 09:45 PM
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Do you think somehow romance is in no way influenced by this? Don't be obtuse. You're the one posting the study, so show me where it links romantic preferences to porn consumption. The quoted portion was about older boys who were exposed to porn which we aren't talking about. Pay attention. Really? Post the full quotation with context then. You never even posted the study. You posted an article with a dead link to the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 09:22 PM
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Nowhere in the study does it link porn exposure to romantic aspirations, just masculine norms. You're pivoting from the study's conclusions to our discussion on romantic aspirations for some weird reason. Second: The unexpected direction of regression results may be related to unexamined variables such as valence of first exposure (e.g., positive or negative), religiosity, sexual performance anxiety, or negative sexual experiences. Please read the studies you are posting before using them as evi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:59 PM
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Saying porn has no influence on how men view women is naive. Except that's not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:31 PM
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Men are biologically programmed to be able to mentally separate sex and romance. A man's fucked up porn preferences often have little to no affect on his romantic aspirations (to say nothing of his sexual performance once in a real life romantic relationship).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:22 PM
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I'm referring more to the real-life sexualization of women, not the kind depicted in media.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:06 PM
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The early sexualization of young girls does have a tendency to degrade the idealism surrounding romance in a way most young boys consuming the same media won't experience. Or so I've heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 07:49 PM
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Oh, so it actually has almost nothing to do with the quality of men women let put their dicks inside them. Glad we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 07:19 PM
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So men are getting better since abortion rates are dropping then, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 06:27 PM
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I personally prefer the label "pro-abortion" over pro-choice but that's because I take issue with body autonomy absolutism that seems to be tied at the hip to the label "pro-choice".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:34 PM
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Assortive pairing is still king. The narrative that the average man is worse than the average woman is a gigantic cope for the low quality women that ended up with low quality men. Luckily every woman who spouts that talking point has the same physical and personality qualities that make it easy to discount if you do even the most surface level digging into their post history.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:12 PM
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If you yourself find yourself disposable and think all women are just having a turn with you, then what do you have to offer for a relationship? How does that change your behavior and perspective to be conducive to a relationship? Disposability is a spectrum. I can be the most loving, caring boyfriend that helps around the house and still recognize I could be replaced/ghosted in a heartbeat if she wanted to. The good/bad qualities of man just make that more or less likely to happen. Women also a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 04:55 PM
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I know. A guy telling a woman he wants to have sex with her to her face doesn't work for a different reason
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 02:11 AM
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Sure, but that's an extreme example. Large romantic gestures too early creep women out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 11:22 PM
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Idk about the premature expressions, If a guy started talking about how he wanted to marry you on the first date, you would get the ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 11:20 PM
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Sure. Liability as analogous to the financial sense of the word. A financial asset. A loan. Loans are not issued to just anyone when there is a high assumed risk of defaulting on the loan. To offset risks, loan applicants are scrutinized by loan officers and are required to show credit history, pay a set interest rate, put down some collateral, and demonstrate proof of income. Defaulting is analogous to the woman being stuck in a shitty relationship, being ghosted, being cheated on, etc. Risk of…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 11:16 PM
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Exes, premature expressions of commitment, trauma/baggage
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 10:56 PM
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Undue sense of familiarity is a big one. Certain topics (not even just sexual ones) are locked behind levels of familiarity. Progression through the levels varies widely between women and it's up to the guy to intuit through his acquired social and emotional intelligence if he is at the correct level to start talking about certain stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 10:41 PM
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You don't think men are liabilities to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 10:18 PM
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I've only seen it repeated and amplified in online spaces by 30+ women with a ton of emotional baggage. I'm sure if I spent enough time in TwoXChromosomes, I would be convinced it's common as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 10:17 PM
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Go back to the cult of trp and convince yourself it’s impossible for a women to love you, because women don’t see you as a fellow human. Where did I say or imply that? Also, see my flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 10:12 PM
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Didn't know I needed to caveat further (since the term originated out of TRP and TRP is a strategy related to heterosexual dating for men) but: Men in the heterosexual dating sphere as seen by women as disposable/replaceable Happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 10:03 PM
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None of what you just said contradicts my interpretation of the phrase. "Men are disposable and replaceable" does not contradict the claim that human connections are possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 09:46 PM
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Par for the course in this discussion with the mommy-mcbangmaid narrative. I knew I wouldn't have to scroll very far.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 09:40 PM
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Because men are liabilities, that's why. I think I've even heard you say this or some variation of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 09:37 PM
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“She’s not yours, it’s just your turn” is not exactly conducive to developing a relationship. One of the most socially progressive phrases to come out of that community and some people still find fault with it. All that phrase is saying is that men are entirely disposable/replaceable and that men shouldn't control women's decisions. What's the problem with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 09:25 PM
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Some variation of: "Men 👏 Are 👏Liabilities👏 A man better drastically improve my life if he wants to be with me 💅💅💅. I can make my own money now, don't you know?" ...gets repeated quite often around these parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 09:20 PM
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I was trying to date inappropriate people. Except there doesn't always exist this huge pool of appropriate people. And that's not even taking into account how to access said pool of eligible people, which is a burden that is now predominantly shouldered by men. Women historically and indirectly aided men in finding partners by being the glue that held communities together. But with that gone, it's kind of the wild west out there now. Single women are just less likely to notice this trend because…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:03 AM
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The post is dripping in low self esteem but that is the reality for a lot of guys. When there is an established pattern of lack of success in sex/relationships, no exposure to single (and looking) women outside dating apps, & little to no friends, why wouldn't you start to feel like something is wrong with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:05 PM
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You were, you just didn't realize it. My friend goes inside to get another round and she compliments my hat and starts a conversation with me. I dodge out of the conversation and wait for my friend to come back. When he does, I tell him to hit on her so he does. This was a clear indication she was interested in you. She already made up her mind and you decided to ignore it, probably because you subconsciously thought you could sway her attraction towards your friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 10:40 PM
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Well, that's what I'm saying, she's no one's girl (probably need to put quotation marks around that phrase) and that's how your friend (wrongly) interpreted it. I gave him all the time in the world to seal the deal and he didn't. I guess I still just don't see why I shouldn't take the opportunity Based on what I read, he probably never had a chance. You're still well within your right to shoot your shot, just don't give him false hope and try to force it with someone else. No conflict would've a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 09:41 PM
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Everyone sucks here. You were wrong but it has nothing to with stealing his girl, you were just setting him up to fail. You can't really "setup" a hookup in an environment that 99% caters towards raw physical attraction. I mean, you can try, but you'll probably fail. Any guy can shoot his shot but at the end of the day, the girl is coming home with the guy she's most physically attracted to, which was you. Friend was wrong because he should've realized this as well and not gotten so assmad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:56 PM
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If they want to fix this then women need to date seriously while younger and insist on commitment before sex. It's not just dating seriously, it's dating their age and at their level. This is why men share a lot of the blame too, because relationships are consensual. Inherent in my comment is a condemnation of large age gap relationships. Dating is still 99% monogamous, which necessarily means it is a zero sum game. A bunch of 29 year old men choosing to get into relationships with 21 year old w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 01:49 AM
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Face as well. Women simply carry facial fat a lot better than men because it's considered neotenous. Neoteny is a massive contributor to a woman's feminine attractiveness, but runs completely counter to conventional male beauty standards that emphasize angularity, sharpness, and maturity. That's why apple cheeks are sought after by women but look weird on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 11:30 PM
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And the most important in my mind any man who seems to be upset or spiteful that he’s more attractive today then he was in the past instead of being cool with the women who now find him attractive. There's a guy in this very thread admitting to this. Also, this is going to get worse the more women are dating up in terms of age and material. A 22 year old man simply cannot compete materially with a 26-27 year old man more established in his career, both of whom are going after the same 22 year ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:51 PM
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The keyword is "dating" as distinct from "relationships". Once you've established a relationship, you owe it to the relationship to work through problems in a mature, rational manner because you (I would hope) have already vetted for those qualities to make those necessary changes. But as for dating? Useless 99% of the time. Men are too disposable for any of our criticisms or complaints to have any weight. It's infinitely easier for a misbehaving woman to just move on to another man who can tole…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 07:04 PM
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Ghosting really is the best revenge response to outright bad or disrespectful behavior from women and I honestly wish guys would employ it more in heterosexual dating contexts. I've heard stories guys writing whole fucking manifestos to women on why xyz behavior was bad. Just stop; actually let shitty people ruminate on why they get ghosted. You don't need their excuses or them trying to flip the tables on why their behavior is somehow ok, especially now with all the misuse of mental health term…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:33 PM
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A man would have to be entirely stupid (or a deadbeat father already looking for an excuse to leave) to take the word of an embittered spouse during a custody battle at face value. Most men do get attached to their children and want to be involved in their lives even if it means added responsibilities like child support. I don't have a link but I vaguely remember a scenario like this being posted on AskMen a long time ago. The woman pulled that trick because she wanted sole custody and thought h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:47 PM
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100% and I've believed that for as long as I can remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:27 AM
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Yes. My best friend's cousin I see on occasion looks pretty damn close to Taylor Swift. Got her first boyfriend at 28.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 10:51 PM
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Higher potential for violent outbursts Higher potential for property damage due to said violent outbursts Lack of emotional intelligence/openness leading to a lot of uncertainty over their emotional state. Uncertainty = high risk Higher risk of overindulgence in damaging vices that you will have to deal with at some later point Drama, pettiness, overcompetitiveness, and/or chest-puffing, especially when it relates to interactions with women Laziness Higher risk of bad hygiene Higher risk of bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 08:39 PM
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Did I say anything about "primary" reasons or just reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 08:18 PM
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No, did I say many or all?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 08:16 PM
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If men treat other men with suspicion, maybe they should stop that. Men treat other men with suspicion for good reasons, many of them overlapping with why women treat men with suspicion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 07:40 PM
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No, I really wouldn't expect an ND to incorporate subtext into anything they write or say.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 01:51 AM
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Lol no one's offended. NDs typically have a hard time interpreting subtext so it's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 12:11 AM
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What's not a real friend then, is it? Someone who pretends to be your friend is not your friend. The issue is they don't know that at first. Plenty of women like more "gender neutral" hobbies. I have like, 2 female friends and several male friends. I hang out with the guys every week to play DnD. And I met my two female friends through shared love of a video game. I seek out people who share my interests no matter their gender. It's extremely doable. Wow, you're like, sooo cool. Why can't most o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 10:56 PM
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If you befriend them then you're a manipulative liar trying to con your way into her pants and dump her when you've emptied your ballsack, and pissed off when she cuts off your scam before you get to spooge. That's not at all what I meant and you need to stop catastrophizing. Women have way more barriers they set up for men but that doesn't mean you're automatically convicted in her mind of being a manipulative liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:45 PM
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Point 1 isn't that big of a deal, it's just a bit jarring. At some point in your life as an adult male, you get used to being perceived as a threat. The problem is point 1 is probably why point 2 exists. Point 2 exists because heterosexual males, even those vetted as strictly 100% platonic, can throw off the dynamic/vibe in women only group settings. Women just don't feel very comfortable discussing certain topics (i.e. sex) if there is a heterosexual man in earshot, so it would make sense to wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:35 PM
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While I think it is certainly possible for men and women to be friends, there are two big reasons that make the arrangement fruitless the vast majority of the time: The justifiable complaints women have about the subhuman "nice guy" that tries to use friendships with women to get sex or a relationship speaks for itself. Heterosexual male platonic friend prospects will never start on the same footing as other female friend prospects. Lack of company. I have 3 platonic female friends (and plenty m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 09:32 AM
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I wonder why that is. Hrm
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:45 AM
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I really don't think women generally think about power dynamics like guys do. You're 100% right. Because "not caring" is a luxury that buyers have in a buyers' market. As entertainment consumers we say we just want to watch a movie we enjoy. We don’t tend to think about the millions of dollars worth of market research and advertising spent to get us to actually buy that movie ticket.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:57 AM
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Why would it be in women's best interest to tell short guys it's not hopeless? What do they benefit from that exactly? If we really find all shot men repulsive wouldn't it benefit us if they would just give up so we didn't have to deal with them at all? I don't get what you think the motivation behind this would be. Because a huge amount of women's power in the dating sphere stems from its competitiveness and resulting high selectivity they can afford to have. Imagine a dating market that actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:58 AM
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If we're talking specifically about men and women's genetic predispositions towards certain behaviors, it's pretty pointless to factor in the past 6,000 years of human development. Civilization (and by extension, war) is a nanosecond on the timespan of human evolution. Although generally rare in mammals, monogamy still exists in a handful of primate species. Humans share a number adaptive qualities with these monogamous species such as smaller canine tooth size but more importantly, relatively s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 11:36 PM
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So morals and societal monogamy arose spontaneously out of a group of prehistoric women who decided they had enough of men's behavior and taught their male offspring to not "hit it and quit it"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 09:10 PM
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There is evidence to suggest some amount of predisposition to monogamy for men. For example, men's testosterone levels take a huge hit post childbirth. Most women rely on other women to help raise the kids. I've helped several women in my life with their newborns even though they were married women with supposedly helpful husbands. 10,000 years ago, how long do you think a tribe exclusively made up of women and children would survive? Do you see where I'm going with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 08:15 PM
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It's nearly impossible to determine which gender benefits more from online dating, since the very nature of the apps themselves filter out women with demisexual mate-selection strategies over a period of time. What we're left with is a subgroup of single women on OLD, the vast majority of whom do NOT take it seriously (even if they claim to). Not taking OLD seriously is actually an entirely rational (yet amoral) strategy to protect one's emotional/time investment as well as their ego (I can get …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 05:37 PM
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What he's saying just as easily applies to Hinge, Bumble, PoF, bars, nightclubs, or really any other medium where looks are the most important "honest signal" a man can communicate. When women say "the bar is low", they're referring to relationship skills, communication skills, and how to be a basic functioning adult. These are typically qualities that aren't scrutinized on a deeper level until after attraction has been established. So if a guy is struggling, it's not exactly helpful to say he n…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:57 PM
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Trying to get my sister tickets when she goes on tour next. Very tempted to buy one for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 05:05 PM
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That was an actual line said by actual serial killer Ed Kemper (not the Ed Gein referenced in the American Psycho scene. Gein was a different serial killer). His character says the same thing in Mindhunter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:11 PM
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I can't speak for you or anyone else but a conversation I once overheard: "Yeah, Peter wasn't the type of guy I had usually dated and I didn't find him that cute when I first met him." Now, Peter was what you would call a very conventionally attractive man. It is possible she wasn't lying and had a certain type of conventionally attractive man, but her openly saying that seemed like she was trying to virtue signal over how non-superficial she was and/or status signal that she had access to the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 11:47 PM
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Historically 1 in 17 men reproduced. Reread the study that wrote that. It doesn't claim that all throughout prehistory only 1 in 17 men reproduced. It says that somewhere in the anthropological timeline there was a genetic bottleneck where only 1 in 17 men reproduced.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 04:27 PM
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You are right, women sexual freedom is the cause of male sexlessness. At most, women's sexual liberation "staples" it at a higher baseline but other factors can boost it even higher. There still does not seem to be any evidence for women's sexual freedom being the cause of the spike seen from 2008 to 2018.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 04:23 PM
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The free love movement was largely apolitical (getting politics out of the bedroom), not the hippie movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 04:17 PM
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Forgot to add: I do think that online dating has contributed, at least in part, to more men not having sex. I just don't think it has anything to do with any supposed increase in women's sexual liberation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 10:59 PM
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But wouldn’t you agree that because of online dating women are more sexually liberated? Depends on your definition of sexual liberation... If your definition of sexual liberation involves the maximum potential of sexual freedom a single woman can exercise within a given environment, then yes I would have to agree with you that rise of OLD does mean women are more sexually liberated. However, I would disagree with this operative definition. My understanding of sexual liberation is that it is more…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 10:55 PM
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I didn’t say that exactly I said women being sexually liberated seems correlated with less men having sex. If that really is your opinion then I don't disagree. But you did write, and I quote: Women being sexually liberated has resulted in a rise of sexlessness in men. "Has resulted" heavily implies causation, not correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 08:06 PM
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Having many partners doesn’t mean that a woman isn’t being selective. In fact women can often afford higher standards for casual sex because they have more options. Ehh, depends on the woman but I tend to agree. This is, however, highly dependent on an individual woman's access to men, the dating culture she exists within, and how good-looking she is. Women being sexually liberated has resulted in a rise of sexlessness in men. Disagree. The sexual liberation movement (and growing financial indep…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 06:10 PM
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Okay Bipolar Disorder dream girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 12:21 AM
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No I'm not into women with untreated mental illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 03:20 PM
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Once you've browsed this sub long enough you recognize the names and their idiosyncratic antics.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:43 AM
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Where do you live? Online. She lives online. Anyone who unironically thinks the majority of men "don't see women as humans" needs to touch grass. I've chatted with microdosechamp on several occasions on here and the conversations usually consist of trying to get me to agree that a certain behavior from men is problematic, which I have no problem doing btw (pumping and dumping is bad, mmkay?). When I check her comment history to see if she's moved on, she's usually fishing for more conflict or in…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 01:18 AM
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🙄 you must be fun at parties. Across all age groups, MSM were more likely than heterosexuals to report having a new partner in the past year (Figure 1a). Among UMHS MSM, 86.4% of the youngest MSM (age 18–24) and 71.7% of the oldest MSM (age 35–39) formed a new same-sex partnership in the prior year. Damn, who would've thought that the gender with a higher sex drive & propensity for sexual novelty would be more promiscuous?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:37 PM
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Oh, another man of course. Men save women, from other men. I'll bite that bullet any day 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:01 AM
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I think he means from the psychotic mass shooter. Implying the cops and detectives that caught him were most likely men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:48 AM
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I've heard some crazy shit from friends about their own side effects/shifts Any huge behavioral shifts or differences in physical preferences in men? I was watching this clip of Taylor Tomlinson doing crowd work and one woman audience member said she broke up with her BF of 7 years after she got off it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:43 AM
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Q4W who decided to go off hormonal birth control, what was the name of the birth control and what changes did you notice?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:08 AM
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That was me. Typing this from inside a Federal Prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:56 AM
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TIL the average woman has between 37.5 to 2300 times as much testosterone in her blood than estrogen. Average estrogen range for women: 30-400 pg/dL Average testosterone range for women: 15-70 ng/dL Average estrogen range for men: 10-50 pg/dL Average testosterone range for men: 300-1000 ng/dL Remember, a nanogram (ng) is 1,000 times larger than a picogram (pg).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:49 PM
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Yes. That's a bold claim and I'm asking you to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 08:08 PM
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All of misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 08:00 PM
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Agreed, but I think the biggest reason for this disparity is greater concern for physical safety and pregnancy risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 04:14 AM
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No, I'm saying emotional baggage goes up in proportion to the number of negative experiences/trauma you live through. This is not a gender exclusive phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:50 AM
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The same can be said for men too though. Being more jaded with more breakups doesn't just apply to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:32 AM
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my question is this, is he wrong? Generally speaking? No. On an individual basis, he is. I know a handful of late 20s women with very little baggage because they've had between 0 & 2 relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:18 AM
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What are you saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 08:40 PM
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If I counter-claim that I display no sexist behavior and harbor no misogyny, there can always be some assertion that my behavior or attitudes, whether I like it or not, are in some way expressions of sexism or misogyny that are, conveniently, only visible to feminists. It's impossible for me to demonstrate that I am not a misogynist, since there yet remains some seemingly innocuous gesture, some trivial behavior or belief, that can be reckoned a form of sexism. There's always another layer below…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 02:20 AM
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So? There is a world of difference between being upset that women don't want to fuck them and being upset at women that don't want to fuck them. Stop confusing the former for the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 02:07 AM
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How do you know some of those women who have helped you weren't signaled or alerted to your distress by a man? Because this is something I have done a few times. Men are allowed to be afraid of other men. Men don't have to help me. My issue is their commentary or their belief that they're entitled to tell me how to think, feel, or act during that situation is what bothers me. Aren't you comparing a neutral to a negative here?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:52 AM
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I think the bad apple analogy is too myopic. The real output we're dealing with here is women's universal negative experience. Downstream negative perceptions of men is merely a byproduct of said universal negative experiences. I wouldn't say a few creeps ruin men as a collective group, but they do sour the experience, and this is especially true in online settings where said bad actors hidden behind a screen have a huge reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:40 AM
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specifically directed at women for having standards Stop moving the goalposts. Still waiting on that example.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:20 AM
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I don't see widespread anger specifically directed at women for having standards, no. I asked for an example (a handful in a single thread would be ideal for supporting your argument) which you have still failed to provide. Which tells me you're here to soapbox, not have any sort of productive conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 11:24 PM
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I have and I haven't found what you're talking about to be a common occurrence. If it was, you would've provided an example instead of trying to offload the burden of proof for a claim you made onto me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 09:44 PM
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If it's so often, do you have an example you could provide? Specifically one that takes issue with women having standards and/or expresses entitlement and not simply dissatisfaction or disappointment at themselves (or the hand they were dealt in life) for not meeting those standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 09:04 PM
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You whining about what a social injustice this is isn’t going to make them sympathy date you. Who is saying this?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:59 PM
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What's wrong with no longer being sexually attracted to a person because of their body?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 03:39 PM
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You think a guy who has choices will go hit up an ugly girl? Depends on the guy. The hierarchy in the casual sex market (anecdotal and completely unsupported, just what I've seen) is as follows: Male 9's and 10's are fucking 6's (sometimes), 7's, 8's, 9's, and 10's (if they can). Male 8's are fucking 6's and 7's Male 7's are fucking 6's and 5's Male 6's are fucking 5's and 4's Male 5's are fucking 4's and below. If a guy is entering into a casual sex relationship with a woman and refuses to comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 07:01 PM
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No, that's not what I'm saying at all. If mainstream culture wants to keep pushing the narrative that a woman's value/self-esteem should in no way be decided by the lack of male attention she gets, don't be surprised when people are much less concerned about a woman that "can't find love".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 09:40 PM
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Are we talking about the trajectory of the forgotten female? Because I've been reliably informed that "the forgotten woman" is a RP revenge fantasy and there are only yassified queen girl-boss, bad bitches living their best lives with their close girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 08:50 PM
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Say you do decide to hop back on the saddle in your mid to late 20s. What would be your preferred level of relationship experience in a man be?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:09 AM
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Extreme depression, rock bottom libido, and a few suicides. All currently known methods of hormonal birth control simply cannot work for men the same way they do for women. As you already know, fertility in women is controlled by the timed release of four main hormones, LH, FSH, Progesterone, and Estrogen. Hence why female birth control by manipulating these in proportion to one another to essentially "trick" the body into thinking its already pregnant or preventing a fertilized egg from implant…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 04:31 PM
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You wouldn't want to decrease men's sex drive by decreasing testosterone. Testosterone governs more than just libido and aggression, as was emphasized when they tried to implement male hormonal birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 08:31 PM
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Actually, I think it was this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lulu_(app)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:04 AM
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I don't remember the exact details but there was a website centered around rating men on a Florida university campus. For example, warning women which men were fuckboys/players. Since they used full names and pictures, it got shut down pretty fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:01 AM
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What? The social credit system or other methods?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 11:48 PM
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That isn't true though. "Karmic justice" for sleeping around a lot doesn't exist; you'd be surprised how many women are having their cake and eating it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 10:06 PM
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My dating experience and seeing others date tell me men do care, they dont want to be the sole provider anymore. What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with what men want. Most men can't be the sole provider unless they are a top 5% income earner. What % of men do you think could honestly afford to do this? Populist conspiracy theories about the "global corporate elite" aside, men didn't engineer cost-of-living increases that have outpaced inflation since the 1970s.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 08:40 PM
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And your lie detection skills are flawless, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 07:13 PM
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To quote myself: You really think "you are an asshole" qualifies as criticism? You never answered this question. So how could I even begin to discredit you if you're just going to refuse to answer my questions and pivot when backed into a corner?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 06:58 PM
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Which isn't what I was describing and you replied to me. If you are gonna change shit, that's on you to clarify. No, that was in direct response to your erroneous claim that there is no emotional vulnerability in criticism, when that example statement proves otherwise. I do love how you are strawmanning an extreme example and then accuse me of "changing shit" when I try to get back to my original point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 06:05 PM
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You really think "you are an asshole" qualifies as criticism? It must be so easy to strawman in an extreme example to handwaive away any sort of discussion. How about, "When you do __, I feel ___." No potential for criticism or emotional vulnerability in that statement according to you, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:15 PM
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Plenty of ways to make it even more advantageous to women, some I agree with, some which would probably be abused (i.e. the idea of a "dating social credit system" has been suggested and been tried on smaller levels).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:07 PM
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But it's very telling that you lump "emotional vulnerability", as in "expressing your own emotions" in together with "THE OTHER PERSON needs to handle criticism better and thats why I'm not allowed to express emotions, because they cant handle criticism!!!!". Uh yeah, because emotional vulnerability is a package deal, not a buffet that you get to pick and choose from. That includes, but is not limited to, the communication of criticism. Thank you for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:41 PM
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Fertility is the real enemy of women Women pay with their time in relationships (that extends to the child-free demographic as well, but to a lesser extent as you mentioned) because all women know that things will get substantially harder as they get older if they choose to remain on the market. I've seen a few men here say that a child-free, mid-30s, career focused, perpetually single cat lady is some kind of tragedy. It's not. She was probably already pretty jaded about men to begin with, so n…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:43 PM
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Who is going to tell them? Practically speaking? No one. Discussions over n-count rarely ever happen in real life settings. I have and will continue to lie about my n-count when asked, and I would expect any woman to do the same by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:27 PM
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A common story you'll see on the marriage and other relationship subs: Husband notices wife is doing something that is negatively affecting the relationship. Husband expresses issue to wife. Wife is upset at hearing that and blames husband for making her feel bad. This is where the "it's not what you said, it's how you said it" or "whataboutism" trump cards get played. Husband apologizes to wife that he made her feel bad. Husband learns to shut the fuck up about criticisms directed at her and on…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:15 PM
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A pair of women once admitted to me that the main reason they go out to bars/nightclubs is to amuse themselves over who can reject the hottest guy. It's an ego boost for a lot of them. When it comes to serious dating (and contrary to the belief that women "break rules for chads") women will absolutely make more rules for more attractive men (up to and including making them wait longer) if they are perceived to be players.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 11:53 PM
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I know, I am. I said all psychopaths specifically to piss off the "well AkshuaLlY!!!" mouthbreathers like yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 10:35 PM
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https://www.businessinsider.com/psychopath-gene-2015-7 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5846806/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5575239/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 10:08 PM
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How does one become a psychopath? They're born that way. Nearly all psychopaths have a genetic mutation that prevents the production of an enzyme that breaks down serotonin at the synaptic cleft. The gene to produce this enzyme is recessive and located in the X chromosome, which is why there are more male psychopaths than female psychopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 09:49 PM
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Ideally, your parents should be fostering environments where you can learn socio-sexual dynamics without them ever having to directly tell you anything. It's not so much I dislike my dad for not telling me about dating as much as I resent him for being a religious dickhead by trying to shield me from "things of this world." That shit really fucks with your development.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 09:33 PM
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Hmm, it's almost like raising children has a disproportionate effect on the mom's finances. Small but important caveat: It's not that single women are raising kids, it's that they are disproportionately doing it alone compared to single dads. Much of what is driving this statistic is absent fathers in very very poor communities. I'd be curious to see what the gender disparity is when broken down into single parents with a coparenting arrangement vs those without.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 05:24 AM
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100%. I've been working on a post comparing and contrasting the beauty standards of men and women, especially when it comes to facial aesthetics. Nearly every facial feature has more acceptable types and ranges for women compared to men, except when it comes to the nose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:13 AM
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Men can be aroused and still not achieve an erection. Erections are physiological responses; arousal is mental. Sometimes the mental and physiological don't sync up, resulting in ED. Women can experience a version of this as well, but with wetness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:47 PM
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I mean I'd imagine there comes a point where it's probably time to give up. The point is, the phrase has nothing to do with rape. I don't even know how you made that jump since ED is an issue a lot of men deal with in relationships when having (or rather, attempting to have) sex with their consenting partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:50 PM
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What do you think you could be doing better to become "hot stuff"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:39 PM
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Because in the context in which it's usually used, it's referring to a man experiencing erectile dysfunction during a consensual sex act, not a man who is being raped. Seeing as this is your first time hearing the phrase, I wouldn't have expected you to know that but now you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 08:42 PM
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not because the government made the space for us not because men made the space for us The government and corporate boards (predominantly controlled by men) have never made programs for the support and uplifting of black women? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 08:35 PM
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The point is to not act like you have low standards while still retaining a high degree of self-respect. In other words, don't be a doormat and don't try to make things work with a prospect when you know there are glaring red flags/incompatibilities. If that doesn't work, the answer to your question might be "nowhere". In which case the problem probably isn't your standards but other things you need to work on (either appearance or personality traits).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 08:28 PM
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Hard agree with you; hard disagree with the OP. Women can also look good with sharp, angular features.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 08:19 PM
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🤦‍♂️ the full phrase is something like "pushing a rope through a hole". Which is impossible to do because ropes are floppy. It's just a euphemism for how flaccid penises cannot achieve penetrative PIV sex. It has nothing to do with rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 08:15 PM
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Seriously, what is this guy's benchmark for differentiating between "entitlement" and a man's natural drive for sex and intimacy? Anyone who agrees with the original commenter feel free to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 09:29 PM
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Wait, let me get this straight... You're basing your perceptions of male sexuality... by what you see on reality TV?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 09:20 PM
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but I was wrong. No you were right, you're just spending way too much time online thinking you've gained access to some secret club to "how men actually think" when it's really just a handful of communities that love sharing their bitterness and resentment with anyone who's willing to hear it. All this paranoia over the gender wars and pill ideologies has destroyed relationships in the real world. Check out this clip from a dating call-in show. (The woman on the panel is a professional clinical …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 09:18 PM
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The political right (and I'm referring to the voters, not the party, Republican politicians, and RNC) is more divided on abortion than you would think. Sure, you may not be able to pass abortion laws as permissive as California's, but there is potential for direct democratic ballot initiatives like in Kansas. Democrats just need to stop crying about Roe v Wade, get off their asses, and decide where to invest the political capital to make that happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 04:30 PM
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Who are you arguing with? Is Andrew Tate in the room with us right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 04:00 AM
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Oof, your entire response makes a ton of incorrect assumptions about my comment and is totally disconnected from the reality of modern dating as a man. Let's go point by point, shall we? Or why don’t you try pursuing people who mirror your energy? I do. If you think I'm putting in unnecessary energy into women I think are lost causes, you need to read my comment again, because that's not what I said. Or stop thinking good first dates have to be a huge affair? Where did I say this? I only “expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:23 AM
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Yes, I can empathize with that. I don't condone that sort of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:21 PM
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That is true though, most men will want to come back for seconds assuming they are attracted to her there weren't any large red flags like bad hygiene or her sexual skills being abysmal. The men who don't come back for seconds usually weren't very attracted to her (or not at all) or see her as way below their league. Not excusing that sort of behavior but that's what I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 10:32 PM
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Planning dates, crafting personal messages, & just all around general courtship we know most of you like takes time and emotional energy, which is finite. And while it isn't a completely gendered phenomenon, the paradox of choice is definitely something that is going to affect more women than men. If the "next best guy" is always in your DMs or list of matches, why wouldn't you be wondering if you could do better? And it's not women's fault, it's just the incentive structure. And that's not even…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 10:15 PM
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Massive cringe. Starving families in Haiti who have to eat dirt cookies to survive is a shit hand bro, not being a short guy in America who has to work slightly harder to get pussy. Sorry, should've said "shit hand in the dating environment they exist within". And give up in terms of dating, not life entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:13 AM
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Yea but so many of shorter men's struggles are so self inflicted that the complaints lose weight. There's a lot of short guys who are insecure and act weird as hell around women, and the one's who succeed don't even think about it. I know, I've seen it all. I talked to my 5'5" short friend about this and he said the following (paraphrasing of course): Being a short guy is kinda like walking on a tightrope across the Grand Canyon. Sure, you see some guys who made it, either by sheer luck, effort,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:52 AM
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They likely just suck at arousing women in general. Yeah, being short tends to have that effect on women. But to explain more in-depth: the more imbalanced the ratio of single-and-looking men to single-and-looking women is, the more women can afford to be picky about superficial qualities like height. Keywords here being: single AND looking. Right now the dating environment for single men is extremely competitive, more than it ever has been. So combine that with the fact that women don't need me…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 11:16 PM
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It's tricky. I'm a guy who doesn't care very much about N count (unless its triple digit, in which case I would have concerns about correlated mental/developmental issues that come with hypersexuality), but I wasn't always like that. I was only made that way after racking up a pretty high body count of my own. I don't even know if there's any way to make the average low N count guy truly not care until he becomes a guy with a high N count, but even then he might still care.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 09:53 PM
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Are we not giving you guys a chance because you're short and/or unattractive or are we only wanting relationships with you for your money? Well, if I am to believe what the women on this sub say (and what I see in real life), definitely the former, final answer. I am neither of those but being ugly and short are the most common reasons I see men struggling nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 09:42 PM
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Yet they fall for the like most common example of it That's more the incel/niceguy type though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:58 PM
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How does a giga perform less than a base version Because it's a misnomer. The term "giga-chad" mainly comes from a funny meme about a man that has too masculine features. Most women do not find that look attractive. More masculine does not mean more attractive. Giga-chad is a niche. It is not even on the scale of chad to ugly guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:23 PM
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That's what I've been saying though. I think you're interpreting gigachad to be "on top" of the male attractiveness hierarchy when it is not; chad is. As I've said before "gigachad" is a niche. More masculine does not = more attractive. I've already stated this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:13 PM
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Francisco Lachowski, the male model in your GIF, is IMO one of the most attractive men in the world. But he is still not a gigachad under my operating definition. Gigachads are not defined by how "attractive" they are but how hypermasculine they are. Lachowski just lacks the hypermasculine features to be considered a "gigachad". That doesn't mean he isn't attractive; he's still a solid chad with light soft-boy features. As I've said before and I will say again, chads and Chad-lites have more bro…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:04 PM
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If he's not hypermasculine then that would make your nephew a chad or chad-lite (according to my definitions).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 04:04 PM
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Here are my subjective definitions: giga chad Hypermasculine facial features (Think Jason Momoa). Must be at least 6'2". In real life most women would probably not find this type attractive except for a small niche. chad Very attractive but has softer, but still very masculine facial features. Must be at least 6'. Has the broadest appeal of all 3. chad-lite Softer and less masculine features but still pretty masculine. May or may not overlap a bit with the soft-boy look. Almost certainly more br…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:40 PM
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She didn’t use you for a free meal. She didn't necessarily use him for a free meal. Just as he didn't necessarily use her for sex. Money and food is just a male resource for social exchange. Uncomfortable but true in the early stages of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 10:28 PM
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I think the difference is, there is no implied expectation that a first date will lead to a second date. Wait, I'm confused. What is the implied expectation after having sex for the first time in a serious and/or casual dating context (not ONS/FWB)? More dates? A relationship? Most of the women on here are just saying - don’t pretend you want a romantic relationship if you know up front you only want sex. Yes, people can change their minds and no longer want to date someone after having sex. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 10:10 PM
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The average 2XChromosomes post
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 09:39 PM
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Nope, you are completely normal. The situation I and OP described is actually abnormal and assumes 2 things must be true about the woman: The woman has some degree of internalized shame regarding how soon she is willing to sleep with a guy. Delaying sex with a guy you are interested in because you are afraid of them thinking you are a slut necessarily means you would tolerate men who would negatively judge you for having early sex as relationship partners. The woman is totally, 100% fine with ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 05:16 PM
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I do t get why she is still fucking someone else not the one she says she likes Because the FWB/fuckbuddy dynamic is usually stable, clear, and established. Both parties know what their expectations are, have mutually agreed they don't see each other as long term prospects, and probably know how to get each other off with a high degree of consistency. The new guy, on the other hand, is a giant question mark. So to cut off the FWB in favor of exclusively seeing the new guy may feel like burning a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 04:58 PM
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What every man in the world should know is that the average OF chick isn't lining up to date anyone. I would venture to say 99% of women OF creators have one or more of the following qualities: Already has a boyfriend Are incredibly socially shy/anxious and will never want to go out due to fear of being recognized in public. For the big creators (or those looking to become a top 1% creator), is exhausted from the sheer level of self-promotion and responding to subscribers. A lot of men will pay …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:39 AM
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Be civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 05:19 AM
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Big deal. She wouldn't be my partner for very long.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 11:58 PM
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So because men might lie it's OK for you to be dishonest, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:26 PM
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I would have relationship_advice content for years if I took the banter I've witnessed between my brother and his girlfriend literally/seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:15 PM
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A man who accepts my offer isn’t a man for me because he will have rules for himself that will prevent him from accepting. It’s that simple. Yes, you've already explained this. You're still a shitty person and a bad actor for not being upfront about your preferences. And you are shitting in the public trust pool to spare yourself an uncomfortable conversation. The more people who behave like you, the more men are going to second guess everything women say and play stupid games of their own guilt…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:05 PM
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What % of porn users do you think are paraphilics?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 08:55 PM
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Hilarious. You should start a cult with how funny, charismatic, and enlightening you seem to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 08:51 PM
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Don't let the door hit you on your way out 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 08:46 PM
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Don't bother arguing with poppy. You'll just end up getting banned and she'll get a warning because she's friends with the mod team.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 07:55 PM
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So accepting an offer to split represents an unwillingness to pay? Or maybe he could just be interpreting your "offer" at face value since offers are typically good faith gestures freely given, not tests with hidden expectations or meaning. This is about as equally stupid as a guy ghosting a girl if she orders anything but a salad on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 05:21 PM
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I don’t see why I should state something like that. If anything by stating it, I would be at risk of a man doing it once just to try to get farther with me and that’s not really who he is. It makes more sense to see what is normal for him in order to gage compatibility. 100% wrong and this just proves how little thought you've put into how men operate and how ineffective your test is at filtering the men you want. The women who don't care, won't care if he pays. The women who do care, will not d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 06:38 AM
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Then yeah, probably insecurity. As for why they think they're 8's, that's a pretty universal phenomenon. Most guys people are average, myself included, and most people will overestimate their own attractiveness because they've been gassed up most of their lives by friends and family. For most of my adult life I thought I was 7.5 until I got my face rated by internet strangers on an alternate account and found out I'm closer to a 5.5.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 06:15 AM
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I've never known a guy in real life declare to other men what he was out of 10. I've also never known a guy in real life be proud or brag that he had sex with a fat/unattractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 06:02 AM
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The same way a man should know that a lot of women are going to view him not paying in a negative light. Stop covertly trying push your tradcon dating standards onto the rest of us. Expecting the man to pay isn't "normative" anymore, no matter how much you want it to be. Everyone has to coexist in the same common modern dating environment without any shared customs, guardrails, or chaperones. This isn't Regency Era England with debutante balls, it's the fucking wild west. The lack of any sort of…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 05:53 AM
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You're not answering my question. Why would a woman feel shitty after being pump-and-dumped after the first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 05:21 AM
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If a woman chooses to have sex with a man I don’t see why she would consider it a time waste the same way I don’t see why a man would consider it a time waste to go on a date. Really, you have no idea? No idea at all why most women would feel slighted after being pump-and-dumped? Are the women complaining about it just being whiny or do you think there might be some underlying reason as to why it feels shitty?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 05:13 AM
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"If having sex only to be ghosted the next morning because I think she's a slut for sleeping with me on the first date is such a time waste for a girl, maybe she isn't in a position to date."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 05:03 AM
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There is no "offer" here, only a test you've disguised as an offer without the other person's knowledge. You are quite literally being a time waster and bad faith actor by playing this little game. I know you don't care if there isn't going to be a second date but what about the guy who accepts your offer fails your test? What's your excuse for wasting his limited time and energy when you just as easily could've stated your preferences from the get go?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:48 AM
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Mewing only works well if you're under 25, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:31 AM
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I’ll offer to split, you are free to take me up on that offer but then no second date for you. Bullet dodged for the man then. Any women that designs these pitfall traps for something as banal as who pays on the first date is clearly toxic. If you want the guy to pay, put on your big girl pants and have that conversation. None of this, "eewww, no, awkward... k byeeeeee!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:19 AM
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As a part of "the rest" (and since you seem to know the opinions of all male PPD users so well), what's my take?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:01 AM
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Her "wall" was self induced by having a baby. With good diet, exercise, and skincare, she probably could've delayed the expiration of her pretty privilege up until her late 30s. Dating as a single mom must be rough, no matter the age.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 11:47 PM
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As a guy, I don't think so. The only boundary I would have is not having two separate standards/rules for different types of guys in the present. I don't think that is an unreasonable boundary.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 11:26 PM
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It's probably going to get worse for as long as post-college aged single women continue to sequester themselves. The often repeated talking point for men on here is to "meet and talk with women in real life" but that doesn't really work if single women aren't also following it. Not saying it will be the end of the world but it will lead to a much more hyper-competitive dating environment and reifying of black-pill ideologies, which we're already starting to see. Men simply cannot "turn off" thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:14 PM
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The reverse is true and is also the reason for high levels of dissatisfaction among women who are on the apps. Good looking, serial monogamous men find a like-minded woman quick; they delete the apps and leave, which means only the good looking men that are seeking casual arrangements remain. Average and below average men's preferences aren’t factored into the equation because they aren't even swiped right on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 09:51 PM
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It may seem obvious to other men but they sure to fuck don’t tell us! First of all, it isn't obvious. Plenty of people completely change who they are in a relationship. Secondly, any attempt at trying to "warn" women of bad men will just come off as trying to get in her pants. Warning women of "bad men" is not our responsibility any more than it is women's responsibility to warn us of "bad women".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 09:30 PM
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Yep but they won’t believe that here. The average n-count for women is 7 or below for their life time. Maybe it’s not all women are having sex with the few Chads and it’s more many many men want casual sex and there’s not enough casual sex Stacy’s to go around. No, I believe you. When I was deep into RedPill stuff I used to believe this but 1-on-1 conversations with women who know me to be non-judgmental proved otherwise. There's a ton of women out there that know they are demisexual and know 10…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:33 PM
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do they think they should be able to sue No. I think there are some serious problems with how transgenderism is being diagnosed, especially with regards to types of body dysmorphia often being misdiagnosed as gender dysphoria. There's also some really bad actors in positions of power that are pushing children to identify as trans, and those people deserve to be in jail for life. But a medical-legal environment fraught with frivolous malpractice lawsuits is just going to make doctors more relucta…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 05:36 PM
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The popularity of that book was before my time but I did read it. Given the obsession over it by so many PUA communities and haters claiming it was full of misogyny, I often wondered how many of them actually read it. It's not an instruction manual, it's a cautionary tale explaining how chasing pussy wasn't fulfilling and how the entire PUA community mutated into an abortion of stuck up primadonnas and grifters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:38 PM
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Before the time of the redpill sub was the era of independent message boards pertaining to The Game You mean the book by Neil Strauss?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 03:45 PM
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But who cares about audience and viewership overlap? If the actual content he puts out doesn't align with the rest of the "manosphere" then he isn't a part of it. I think we agree on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:44 AM
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I don't know what the boundaries of the manosphere even are anymore. There was someone on another subreddit claiming MorePlatesMoreDates was part of the manosphere, when really his content just revolves around men's health, endocrinology, and responsible steroid usage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 02:07 AM
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This is the natural byproduct of men being too afraid of making women uncomfortable. It will get worse before it gets better. Women's sexuality is predominantly and overwhelmingly reactive. I know a lot of gender based generalizations are off the mark, but I will die on the hill of defending this particular one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 08:19 PM
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100%. Dude has a lot of deeper issues but there's no excuse for lying like that. All he could've said was that he was interested in her and I would've respected that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 04:14 PM
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Not yet, we're definitely going to have a chat soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 03:42 PM
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Yes and yes. They were in the same high school graduating class. I know her older brother quite well too, just never had the chance to meet her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 03:40 PM
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He's my best friend's younger brother so there is a limit to how mad I can get because of that. Plus it will probably just come off as cope + jealousy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 02:32 PM
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Pretty sure. We kinda all know each other through mutuals and I doubt she would be so brazen if she was cheating since they weren't even trying to hide it and it would come back on her. She's actually a mutual friend's younger sister. And the ugly dude in question is my best friend's younger brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 02:30 PM
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Definitely the second one, I think. I don't know if I would peg him as a "nice guy" or orbiter but definitely an incel. He's my best friend's younger brother and I know he's dealt with weight issues, a gambling addiction, and depression, some of which I've tried to help him with. Kinda shocking he would stoop that low though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 10:57 AM
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I know right? Who lies about someone else's relationship status just because they aren't getting any?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 10:49 AM
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What is up with certain ugly dudes and their "crabs in a bucket" mentality with women? One of the few opportunities I had meeting single women at a friend's birthday party and this girl and I are getting along great. I talk to the guy who invited her and ask him what's up and he tells me "she has a boyfriend, it's not happening." And I'm like ok and back off/distance myself. An hour goes by and another dude starts getting flirty with her and within the hour they're all over each other. So yeah, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 09:37 AM
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The average woman looks pretty bad. This is not mutually exclusive from what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:26 AM
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No amount of skincare, fashion sense, and cologne is going to equalize that playing field. Unless western beauty standards undergo a radical change, there will always be more attractive women than attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 11:24 PM
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Pick up heavy metal object. Lower heavy metal object. Repeat steps 1 and 2 until your emotional pain is replaced with physical pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 11:09 PM
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You are several pivoting degrees of separation between Chads and narcissists. Narcissists also burn bridges and damage interpersonal relationships. They can be expert manipulators early on but they have to move to new social groups if they don't want their bad reputations to follow them. I've met and been friends with "Chads" IRL. Most of them were just really attractive dudes with varying levels of self-awareness. Full-on clinical NPD is actually extremely rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:50 PM
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The term "moral hazard" is apparently anathema to many people in favor of debt forgiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 06:22 PM
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The work required in relationships isn't just related to romance though. Romance is one component of many. And I'm remarking more on the disproportionate effort expected for men to "keep the romance going". I don't resent women at all for it, that's just the way things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 03:07 AM
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As it applies to men within heterosexual relationships, romance is work. It can be rewarding, but it's still work. I would almost compare it to working as a cast member at a Disneyland. Many people find that job very rewarding, making memories for other people and putting smiles on little kids' faces, and do it for decades despite being paid shit wages. But you also see the other side of it, when you realize the person in the Minnie Mouse costume is really a 62 year old chainsmoker named Marge a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:45 AM
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My standards for men and women are actually physically identical. I wouldn't consider them atypical though. So I was right then. Most heterosexual people's standards exist in a circle. Most bisexual people's standards exist as a Venn Diagram in various states of overlap. And according to you, your standards are overlapping circles with a rubric catering more to women. How is that not atypical? The fact you are bisexual is in itself atypical. You're going to have completely different neurological…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 11:20 PM
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Fashion and muscles are poor examples. They are noticed far more intensely and with much higher scrutiny within the gender they are dimorphicly unique and marketed to than across genders. Fashion and nail polish are just flashing neon signs that, like you said, say "look here". Any business can put one up to grab a passerby's attention, but the neon sign itself doesn't change what the rest of building actually looks like. When I state that comparatively more women are conventionally attractive, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 09:18 PM
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We have very obvious physical secondary sex characteristics. That's largely it. This doesn't account for the disparity in % of members of the opposite gender we find physically attractive. That and men almost have this reverse of the bird world. They're these dull uniform people. A lot of women are like these beautiful creatures covered in flowers and colors and ribbons. Differences in fashion account for very little of this disparity as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 08:07 PM
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It's not a pivot I just feel they're inexorably linked. I'm not talking about holistic attraction which is what you seem to keep wanting to shift to. Obviously a conventionally attractive guy can become unattractive for personality reasons; I'm not here to debate that. But that also doesn't change the fact that he is conventionally attractive. I'm here to look at the reasons why she found him physically attractive in the first place, and why conventionally attractive men seem so incredibly rare …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 07:44 PM
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Right, and my response to your comment wasn't even disagreeing with that, I was pointing out the fact that typical (aka conventional) physical preferences are gender dimorphic and weighted differently. It's not a 1:1 comparison. And again attraction is a physical+mental mix. Keep trying to pivot to the mental aspects of attraction (something I never disagreed with) in a conversation that started off as being about physical attractiveness. I'll keep calling you out when you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 07:13 PM
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Conventional beauty standards and how they affect physical attraction. FTFY Do you want me to quote the first comment of yours I responded to? Here it is in full: Because women have always been expected to put a lot of effort and emphasis on their appearance. Men have not. They are more so now. They don't like it. Back in the day it was like "oh shit you got a good factory job? Let me have your babies right now and make you a pot roast." Now it's "I really like a man with a full head of curly ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:43 PM
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Because attraction is mental and physical. Was I talking about attraction or conventional beauty standards? I don't agree that beauty standards are more rigorous for men. I never said they were more rigorous, I said they are more deterministic and narrowly defined.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:58 PM
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What percentage of women look like that? A hell of a lot less than 16%. Uh, if you ask me to Google a picture of a woman I find attractive, I'm obviously going to post one of a celebrity rather than one I know in real life without their consent and that could be linked back to me. Newsflash: celebrities are attractive. 🤦‍♂️ Also, a hell of a lot fewer men are conventionally attractive than women. Even most women acknowledge this. Now tell me again how mens standards for what’s attractive are so …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:54 PM
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What the hell do conventional beauty standards have to do with being engaging, intelligent, and pleasant? These are completely divorced concepts. I'm trying to distinguish gender dimorphic differences in conventional beauty standards and you decided to go down the bizarre non-sequitur that looks aren't the only thing that matters to women. Yeah, no shit. Nowhere did I make a claim to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:40 PM
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Ok, how about several? Olivia Wilde Anya Taylor-Joy Natalia Dyer Ana De Armas Madison Beer Random woman I found by just googling the term "women models"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:19 PM
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You're painting male attractiveness as objective, when it is subjective. No, I never said beauty standards were objective, I'm just relaying to you what conventional beauty standards are. Almost everyone can acknowledge conventional beauty standards exist and yet cowardly retreat behind the motte of exceptions they see in real life when presented with any uncomfortable truths about them. Typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:07 PM
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What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 04:49 PM
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Beauty standards for men are far FAR more narrowly defined and deterministic. Height is a beauty standard that affects men far more than it does women. 16% of men will suffer from baldness or balding between 18-29, for the sole reason that they have hair follicles that are overly sensitive to our own naturally higher levels of testosterone. And that's not even getting into facial aesthetics, of which women have a huge advantage over men due to them wearing makeup. Women also have wider ranges of…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 04:32 PM
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Convincing you that you are in the wrong without being angry/abusive/losing your cool is a good indicator of wit and high emotional intelligence. I totally get why women think it's attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:11 PM
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How is this related to virginity? Breaking your hymen as a virgin doesn't mean you're no longer a virgin. Inb4... but other cultures historically...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:08 PM
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Attractive women are amongst those who are most harmed by men. The opposite has been true IME. The more attractive you are as woman, the more you get to dictate the terms of your relationships with men (Isn't this what thepinkpill teaches?). Average and below average women have substantially more emotional baggage and angst directed at men because they feel like they have to tolerate more negative behavior due to comparatively fewer and lower quality options.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 01:53 PM
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Some women I've met have admitted to forcing these situations so their SO will "put them in their place". Which is toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 12:37 PM
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Nah, I'm way past 15. I still feel the desire but recognize it for what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 03:32 PM
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Sex is about validation... for men. That's the whole point of this post. Women have an extremely hard time relating to this because it's easy for them to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 09:48 PM
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I do think, by way of gentle pushback, it's naive to assume a phenomenon people complain about is completely misunderstood just because it might occasionally be multifactorial. Sometimes people do just use other people. And yes, sometimes the people most likely to be used are the ones who are closer to what society might term "awkward" or "lacking self-awareness." Two things can be true at the same time, y'know? I agree 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 08:36 PM
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Men still had the choice. They weren’t forced into a marriage because the law wouldn’t allow them to work. You are wrong. Do you know how arranged marriages work? Also what society are we talking about? What law?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 02:52 PM
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Most men throughout history didn't get to choose their partner either. Arranged marriages were the norm even for nobility. Men didn't have the privilege of agency when selecting partners until relatively recently. If you want to use the example of rich and powerful men having harems, mistresses, and several wives, go ahead but that is ultimately an apex fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 02:22 PM
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Well yes Ok cool, we agree. Then by that logic women are more privileged than men today.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 01:42 PM
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Equality in the sense of women have choice now, just like men have had for decades. So you're saying men had it better because they had more choices for partners than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 12:02 PM
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Hard to assess the actual number of foodie calls for the same reason it is for pump-and-dumps. No one knows the actual reasons people ghost, so they chalk it up to "he just used me for sex" or "she just used me for a free meal." It's just a heuristic people adopt to avoid any mental uncomfortability.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 11:04 AM
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We get it, you're #notliketheotherguys. Btw, did you make sure to tip your fedora while writing that manifesto?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 10:36 AM
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This entire comment is a perfect demonstration of self-aggrandizing, strawmanning, and moral grandstanding that is so rampant in this sub. A fully self-actualized woman, with complete power over herself and comfort with her sexuality-- god that is so fucking sexy. She doesn't need to be "old" either to fit this description as I'm sure some less astute people might insist. Many women stay "beautiful"-- fit and youthful-looking-- long after their early 20's when everyone is after them. It's an ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 09:23 AM
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means they are now equal with men They aren't though. For as long as women have substantially more options than men, there won't ever be true equality. It's like another guy was saying on a different post: the bar is low, yes, but only for guys that have qualified to get into the track meet. If a guy is lightspeed ugly, no amount of be confident/be nice/take a shower/be emotionally intelligent is going to help. But yes, let's all circle jerk about how it's all a pity party so we can feel morally…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 08:52 AM
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The representation goes away if you stop promoting anti-representation. For example, look at your smokers, they aren't getting representation because no one is bullying them or the burn victims, no representation because no bullying. What are you talking about? Smokers get barely any representation because it's socially understood that smoking cigarettes is harmful to your health. (If only we had that same common understanding with other lifestyle choices). You can refuse to represent lifestyle …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:02 AM
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Asking in good faith: Are you of the opinion men do this more often than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:21 AM
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Never once did I "rag on" fat people and I don't bully them in real life or online. I just don't think unhealthy lifestyle choices need more representation, just as I don't think cigarette smokers need more representation. If lack of representation socially discourages unhealthy lifestyle choices, then I would see that as a win. Nice strawman though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:01 AM
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Um yea that sounds like a him problem. If he is insecure and feeling unvalidated maybe he should seek therapy instead of projecting onto his gf. Oh, well then I'll be sure to respond in kind the next time a woman complains her husband is gawking at Instagram models. Funny how that "insecurity" isn't so bad then, right? No it’s not. Yes, it is. You're just ideologically committed to putting women on the morally higher pedestal and trying to frame their sexuality as "more virtuous", when it clearl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 03:34 AM
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Why do fat people need representation then? The case for adding more representation for people with disabilities is quite strong, since their disability is almost always through no fault of their own. The same can't be said for fat people. The case for anti-representation is even stronger in countries with socialized medicine, where your health and health problems actually are my business.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 02:21 AM
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I find it bizarre and disingenuous that you would compare a drunken threesome with marriage and starting a family. Why would the highest expression of love a woman have for a man be reduced to some sexually perverse act like a threesome under the influence of alcohol? This goes deeper than just "love". It's about validation and feeling secure about your partner's attraction to you. Sex is often analogized to commitment because the former is extremely validating to men and the latter is extremely…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 12:01 AM
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Isn't the burn victim to fat people a bit of an apples to oranges comparison? One is usually the result of a tragedy someone had no control over. The other is due to poor lifestyle choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 07:11 PM
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It's a spectrum tbh. I've known socially intune and extroverted guys that still struggled. I've also known quiet, reserved guys that never seemed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 01:04 AM
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This one for heterosexual men: If you're not flirting with her, she's definitely not flirting with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 04:54 AM
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Well, you seem to have already made up your mind about that. No use arguing any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 04:34 AM
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Social stigma, mainly. I would also feel like I failed as a father if my daughter wanted to take the shortcut to fame, money, and validation by relying on her body instead of her intellect and personality. It also reflects a massive degree of short-sightedness, since it hurts employment prospects and the traits that make one famous as a porn star don't last forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:21 AM
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Porn is amoral. I only "defend" it when people claim 100% of porn is inherently immoral, when it is not. I still think it can be harmful to people's relationships and brains, depending on how it is used and who is using it (i.e. paraphilics consume porn in a completely different way from non-paraphilics). And no, I would not want my daughter to be a porn star.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:53 AM
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????? They absolutely do, but its more of a generational thing. I can try to steelman the trope as the "idiot husband" strengthens women's perceived positions and value. For example: That women are doing men a favor by choosing to be with them. That men are "incomplete" without a woman. However, a woman is complete without a man, due to her superior intelligence. That women "tame and domesticate" the toxic masculinity out of men. It's just easier to make the wife (the character most appealing an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 11:04 PM
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Shhh... the Daliban must remain hidden.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 06:39 PM
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Do you know how dumb you have to be to lose a debate with Hasan Piker? Pretty fucking dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:57 AM
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This seem like men problem not a women It's both. so why should women show empathy I wasn't asking for or expecting any. instead of looking for what best for herself ? Don't see how that's mutually exclusive. I'm not advocating women to subordinate their own destinies and self-interest just so more men can date; free will and autonomy are more important principles than making sure every man doesn't die sexless and alone. I would like more women to like men, just as I would like more men to like …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:43 PM
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I have no idea where you're trying to go with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:23 PM
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Why didn't she test drive the car before buying it? 🤔 Sounds like her fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:10 PM
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If you won't accept what I'm trying to tell you because I'm a man, maybe you will if it's coming from a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 07:32 PM
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He was also intelligent, charismatic, extremely witty, and successful. Yep, qualities that can only be demonstrated with real life exposure, not dating apps. So whenever I hear a guy complaining about dating in such severity, I assume he's either a recluse, lackluster, or has the looks only his mother loves. Seems like you've already made up your mind then (or you just don't like listening to men complain and this is a shaming tactic). I can't make you see the lack of opportunities due to single…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 07:05 PM
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Dying your hair blue doesn't actually change your attractiveness very much. Hot girls are still hot even with dyed hair. What it will do is affect the type of attention you get. The perception is dyed hair = sexually liberal + daddy issues. Not saying that's always the case, but that's the stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 05:37 PM
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Who said anything about Flirting or dating coworkers, y’all sitting here claiming there’s no way to interact with the opposite sex. I did. Read the comments you are responding to carefully. I was very careful and deliberate with my wording. My observations apply to single women, specifically younger single women. Edit: Actually we both did. You were the one who brought up dating, and this is a thread about sexlessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 05:41 AM
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Do any of y’all have jobs?! No, just no. Trying to flirt with and hit on single women at your job is a really fucking bad idea. You know why. Go to school? Sure, just be between 18-23, in a major and school with a good gender mix, have parents that are rich enough to pay or willing to cosign. Past 23?Hopefully you have a career where Grad School makes sense (more student debt, awesome) so you can get another shot. Also Grad degree and school also probably needs to have a good gender mix. Basic s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 05:25 AM
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It's been said a lot here that the best way to fight radicalization for men is the exposure to and around real-life women, and to a large extent, I agree. But that isn't going to very well work if single women just aren't choosing to be around single men. Coupled women and friend's GFs are great to talk to but there's only so much you can learn from those interactions. Talking to women platonically is just a completely different ballgame than flirting in a romantic/sexual context. It is very muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 12:37 AM
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Good looking to even average looking men with their shit together are few and far between, they don’t have any issues dating and they’re picky. None of this matters if the women they would be pairing up with are even pickier, which they 100% are. I'm a 5'11" 26M (albeit average looking dude) who has his shit together, and it's still tough out there (and I don't think I even have high standards for attractiveness). Mainly due to lack of opportunities. On paper, I check a lot of the boxes women on…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 07:18 PM
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It's both. That's why you see differences between cultures. Biology is a factor you can't ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:28 PM
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Women want lifestyle, not money. Those two are usually tied at the hip.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 04:09 PM
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Points aren't self evident just because you declare them to be. How is your second paragraph even relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 11:41 PM
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That hasn't been my experienc, or at least no more friction than being single. Anyway, most poly relationships, like most mono relationships, dont involve children. Do you have any evidence for this? Let's see some studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 10:57 PM
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Not just gold digging. According to you: multi millionaire Gold digging, check. Otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it. chad Basic attraction influencer Clout chasing/lifestyle
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 10:46 PM
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There has been no comprehensive study conducted that proves either of our claims. We're going to just end at an impasse due to the lack of empirical data. Additionally, our perception of poly relationships are slanted by the fact that there are so many more mono ones. My (and others') perceptions of poly relationships have less to do with the frequency of them and more to do with the type of people that get into them. And what do you mean by "inherent nature"? they cause a metric shitton of fric…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 10:43 PM
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The personal accounts of people who have been active in poly/open communities as well as the inherent nature of those relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 10:14 PM
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I'm not talking about whether they can break up for the same variety of reasons, I'm talking about the frequency of those extremely toxic reasons for breaking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 10:09 PM
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This has significantly more to do with presentation than it does to do with base physical appearance. Confidence and "how you carry yourself" is largely biologically deterministic. It's a self-reinforcing, positive feedback loop. It's the same reason why most male Fortune 500 CEOs are over 6 ft.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 10:04 PM
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Usually for very different reasons though. I'd rather spin the wheel on all the reasons a non-poly relationship would fail than the few extremely toxic ones poly relationships fail because.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 09:47 PM
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Ive seen plenty of women knowingly agree to have 3 days a week with a multi millionaire chad influencer, while he gets the other 4 days with another woman. Isn't this just selection bias? Like, if you take a top 0.1% man, of course there's might be a handful of women that would tolerate being shared when it means continued access to financial resources, a luxurious lifestyle, and social clout. In other words, gold diggers exist. More news at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 09:08 PM
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Exactly. And that's why 99.9% of poly/open relationships are doomed to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 09:05 PM
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The only men I see who say causal sex is causing societal problems are men who don’t get causal sex. Seems very much, “if I can’t have it you can’t either”. By itself, I think casual sex is morally neutral as long as both parties are consenting and honest about what they want. So yes, the heart of the issue really is the inequality of privilege in being able to have it, not the act itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 07:23 PM
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your bros will have long term partners who become friends with you in a sense. Acquaintances, maybe. But not friends. And yeah, like I said, the bridge has been burnt. Gender dynamics dictate there will be some level of suspicion, so it seems rational if a guy would forgo putting time into a platonic friendship if he knows he's going to be kept at an arm's distance. Women have already made it abundantly clear, both with their actions and how they choose to spend their free time, that they don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 04:14 PM
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I can understand it's unfortunate to have guys only want to know you sexually or romantically rather than platonically, This is what I don't understand though: Why do many women even want platonic male friends to begin with? There are obvious downsides/risks (i.e. risk of a "nice guy" trying to weasel his way into a relationship) and women on women friendships certainly seem to be higher quality as evidenced by the fact that women choose to spend most of their free time exclusively with other wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 06:30 AM
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To answer your question directly, I'd go off the existing stereotype that the average male redditor lacks a social life but I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 05:46 AM
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Point blank: if you can’t maintain platonic friends the problem is you. I can maintain platonic friends just fine, thank you very much. As I already mentioned I have several women platonic friends IRL. Once again I have to wonder where you all come from that you think platonic friendships and gender mixed social groups are not the norm. My friend group is gender mixed. I don't know why we're shaming men for not having female platonic friends when, if you look at the other responses to the questi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 05:38 AM
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I'll just copy, paste what I wrote to another user about why I asked this question, since I don't feel like typing it again: Why do you ask? Because as much as I see men getting shit for thinking "men and women can't be friends" (or, in my moderate opinion, that it is technically possible, just very difficult and unlikely), I don't exactly see women, both on this sub and in real life, jumping over themselves to disprove that statement despite their offense to it. Now before you go off telling me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 05:24 AM
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It's never unfair to choose not to enter any relationship for any reason or absolutely no reason at all, but having those boundaries isn't necessarily a lack of trust. And there it is: "necessarily". But boundaries can and often do stem from a lack of trust due to past experiences and/or perceived social norms and behaviors. Those are the boundaries I'm talking about. I won't discuss sex or relationships with my guy friends, because it's not their business and I don't want them thinking of me li…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 05:22 AM
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Why do you ask? Because as much as I see men getting shit for thinking "men and women can't be friends" (or, in my moderate opinion, that it is technically possible, just very difficult and unlikely), I don't exactly see women, both on this sub and in real life, jumping over themselves to disprove that statement despite their offense to it. Now before you go off telling me I'm entitled, let me just say that there are plenty of good reasons women have boundaries for potential platonic male friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 04:57 AM
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If you would count your friends' SOs as your own personal friends, not just acquaintances, they count.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 04:33 AM
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They don't count. Should've clarified.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 04:27 AM
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Words have meaning if you know why then she told you, even hypothetically. Hypotheticals usually require you to suspend your disbelief. If you want to imagine you have mind reading powers, go ahead. Or if you choose not to play along because you would prefer to obfuscate, just go ahead and do so. Is it fair? There is no fair when it comes to someone else's boundaries. You accept them or you don't. That's not what I asked. I asked if it was fair for someone to refuse investing time after boundari…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 04:23 AM
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So you're just making this shit up or you were told it. 🤦‍♂️I said "hypothetically". JFC, scroll up and stop making me suffer for your lack of reading comprehension. Saying we're friends doesn't give you an entitlement to be included in everything. People can put whatever label they want and act accordingly. Stop trying to deliberately obfuscate and answer this question: Is it not rational and fair to chose not to proceed investing any time into someone if you discover they are erecting boundari…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:55 AM
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I still don't see how that's relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:44 AM
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that sounds like what she is saying to you. What who is saying to me? What the hell are you talking about? That's not unequal footing. Those are called boundaries and you accept them or you don't. Oh, well in that case, I'll be sure to spread the word to all the men here the next time the topic of the capacity for men and women to be platonic friends comes up. Pro-tip for any guys reading this: If there's something you would do for a male friend but not a female friend, frame it as a boundary th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:42 AM
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Yes, because you don't get to decide how close or comfortable that they feel with you. You're dodging the question. Knowing this, would you still want and decide to be their friend, knowing you won't ever be on equal footing with them. No one's trying to shame anyone into being included. People have the right to not include people in their lives, in whatever fashion, and for whatever reason, and not be considered a misogynist/misandrist, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:28 AM
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How much of what is? I don't understand the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:21 AM
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Follow up question: Would you be OK being friends with a woman that only invited you to 50% of social gatherings she had the opportunity to invite you to? Hypothetically, you would know in advance that the reason they don't invite you is because they will always feel awkward and uncomfortable discussing certain topics and details about their life, unlike with their other friends, no matter how well you get to know them. They will also trust you a lot less at the start compared to their other fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:17 AM
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Non-sequitur. We aren't talking about why people are complaining, we're talking about outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:12 AM
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men not wanting to put time into women or groups who exclude them? Close. I'll give you partial credit. I'm trying to highlight legitimate reasons why men wouldn't want to be friends with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:10 AM
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Second one is literally me right now. I think I'd probably still choose the latter. The higher standard of living outweighs any bonuses being 3 points higher would give me. Its a good thing that unlike your hypothetical I can improve my way out of being a 5 with some of that extra money, which is what I'm doing right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:07 AM
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And what if the reason they don't invite you is because they will always feel awkward and uncomfortable discussing certain topics and details unlike with their other friends, no matter how close you get. And they will also trust you a lot less from the beginning compared to their other friends. For no other reason other than that you remind them of someone that was mean to them one time. Would you still want to be this person's friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:01 AM
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Follow up question: Would you be OK being friends with a woman that only invited you to 50% of social gatherings she had the opportunity to invite you to?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 02:38 AM
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How come? And do you see where I'm going with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 02:30 AM
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I know
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 02:21 AM
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Hypothetically, you would know in advance that you wouldn't even get invited to 50% of events, even after you got to know them pretty well. They don't know you're an introvert. The reason they don't invite you is because they will always feel awkward and uncomfortable discussing certain topics and details unlike with their other friends. They will also trust you a lot less from the beginning compared to their other friends. For no other reason other than that you remind them of someone that was …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 02:20 AM
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Exactly. Now, if you're feeling brave, flip the genders of OP's title and try posting that in TwoX or AskWomen and see what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 02:04 AM
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Over just the past year? Barely anyone. Omicron variants aren't nearly as deadly and the relaxed restrictions kind of reflect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 02:00 AM
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The Vindicta and vindictarateme subs have looksmaxxing advice for women, by women. They can point you in the right direction if you're interested about beauty tips, grooming, makeup, plastic surgery, etc. I usually try to redirect women who are curious about improving their odds on the physical level there since I don't exactly feel qualified to give any sort of beauty advice to women as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 01:54 AM
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Follow up question: Would you be OK with a prospective female friend that only invited you to 50% of social gatherings she had the opportunity to invite you to?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 01:47 AM
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So you would agree that the blanket advice of "just lower your standards" is myopic and brain dead when said to women who claim they are struggling with finding a partner, yes? Because that's exactly what OP is doing here but to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 01:44 AM
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Q4W: Think back in the past year to all the times you've hung out "with friends". How many of those outings have been exclusively with other women and gay men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 01:26 AM
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A key element of voyeurism is that the person being watched doesn’t know they’re being observed. The person is typically in a place where they have a reasonable expectation of privacy, such as their home or other private area. Voyeurism, by its nature, implies that one party doesn’t consent to the activity. source 1 Viewing sexually explicit pictures and videos, now widely available in private on the internet, is not considered voyeurism because it lacks the element of secret observation, which …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 11:32 PM
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Neither are you. Go ahead, ask that question in askpsychology so I can laugh at you as they mock you for such a brain dead take.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:51 PM
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To start with, it’s voyeurism, which is a paraphilia. No. Just no. I almost feel like I lost a few brain cells reading this. For those wondering, what u/womandatory is doing here is called concept creep. I have zero respect for people that would so blatantly redefine and weaponize language in such an intellectually dishonest manner. No clinical psychologist on the planet would categorize watching porn as a type of voyeurism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:11 PM
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I can already tell this is going to be an uphill battle due to your insistence on using exceptions to disprove coventional, aka universal beauty standards. That would be like me telling you being thin isn't a conventional beauty standard for women because my friend is dating an overweight woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 12:25 AM
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All of the above 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:27 PM
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I don't have the privilege of opting out and still having options. Looks are more important than ever for men. I probably won't be buying any makeup but my plastic surgery consult is in a few months.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:19 PM
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What are male beauty standards? Conventional male beauty standards? Like do you want me to list everything or just the facial aesthetics? Because unlike women, height and baldness are features that aren't factored into women's beauty standards, either because it doesn't matter in the case of height, or they simply don't deal with it at nearly the same level (due to substantially less testosterone binding to follicle androgen receptors).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:15 PM
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It’s like if something doesn’t attract women they won’t do it and it’s odd. Speak for yourself. Women's tastes and preferences are the largest drivers of male beauty trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:07 PM
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The "but what about the female gaze!?", "soft boy" take is largely a misdirect; soft boys actually have a lot going for them in the facial aesthetics department, usually a combination of strong masculine features combined with those we typically view as feminine, which gives the face a unique androgynous look. Facial proportions and ratios are still almost always perfect or near perfect with that type. Which just reinforces my point that male standards are narrow, even for the "niche" subgroup o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:02 PM
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If men putting on makeup was actually effective at attracting women instead of being seen as effeminate, you'd see lines out the door of every Sephora.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:49 PM
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I don't know I would use the word "critical" but male beauty standards are narrower and more biologically deterministic. This doesn't contradict the fact that there is more societal pressure for women to conform to their beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:45 PM
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Yeah, I don't think we disagree on anything. The main reason women should wait is to observe any drastic reductions in displayed attraction and engagement. Avoidants aren't consistent enough to maintain interest for more than a month. An example of a bad reason might be, "don't sleep with him too soon or he'll think you're a slut". Clinical narcissism, sociopathy, and psychopathy are actually pretty rare diagnoses.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 09:15 PM
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I don't think it's true, as statistically there are more single young men than women. In the same study, it said their were more single men actively seeking relationships than single women. The only problem is that it's not broken down by age ranges. But OP's hypothesis does ring true in my experience as someone in the US. There's no shortage of single women but they exist in the distant peripherals of mid-20s, mixed gender groups, rarely if ever emerging except when in exclusive women-only cliq…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 08:53 PM
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So let me start off by saying I do not subscribe to redpill so the whole alpha widow thing is just no offense it’s silly to me. It’s insecurity, which is human, it’s a human emotion but going out of one’s way to justify the ‘need’ to control womens sexuality just legit doesn’t sit right with me. We can agree to disagree on that part. I don't think we disagree. I'm not advocating or trying to justify the need for controlling women's sexuality. Alpha widowing is also not exclusive to women; in mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 08:25 PM
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Why are we talking about the personal responsibility of people who are fucked over and not the personal responsibility of people not to be terrible, manipulative assholes and shame the ever living fuck out of them? First, there's plenty of room for both discussions to be had. Second, it's not always that simple. People are so quick to pass judgment especially when the perceived victim is the woman and the perceived perpetrator is the man. Majority of the time when women are getting "fucked over"…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 08:11 PM
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Oh yeah, I believe you. It's just whenever the topic of pump-and-dumps comes up, getting the woman who brought it up to admit to any kind of personal responsibility when it comes to vetting is like pulling teeth. Attraction is blinding and chemistry is just a word that conceals someone's actual raw physical attraction (since it's an umbrella term for combined physical and emotional attraction).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:49 PM
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Why can't it just be the fact that attraction is blinding? Whenever I ask this question, it's never this and always the guy is a highly skilled manipulator/liar/narcissist. Women get coomer-brained too, just like men; they will miss very obvious warning signs because they're insanely attracted to an individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:41 PM
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How much vetting can you do if someone is willing and able to look you in the eye and lie? How does this fit into the "women are bloodhounds for inauthenticity" narrative that gets pushed so often? If women are so good at telling when men are fake, why are pump-and-dumps still happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:20 PM
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Without "railing against an entire gender", I think it's entirely fair to point out that this probably happens more often with men due to differences in desires as well as men still being expected to take on the "active role" in the courtship phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:20 PM
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Would you really want to be with someone who saw you as a shaky maybe in the first place? Because it usually isn't obvious. If people had the power to "just know" and separate the yeses from the maybes, they would exercise it. Both genders lead people on for attention/validation; men aren’t blameless in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:01 PM
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I've thought this too as a guy but for different reasons. Men cheat opportunistically, generally speaking, it's not just about being proactive. Moreover, men will cheat even when satisfied and happy in their relationship, so there's more of an excuse for women to be neurotic about their partner cheating in theory because it's possible there won't be any warning signs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 03:08 PM
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Lowest score? On what? On accuracy regarding moral stereotypes when liberals were asked to answer the questionnaire "as a typical conservative would". In other words, the degree of deviation from actual moral scores when compared to actual conservatives who filled out the same questionnaire. And we're going by self reporting, not actual action? And hypotheticals? Yeah, that is typically how sociological studies that get published go. You can read the study here: https://www.researchgate.net/figu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:52 PM
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Jonathan Haidt once did an experiment where people were asked to identify where they lie on the political spectrum. Then, they would answer a series of non-political moral questions about how moral or immoral various situations were. They were then asked to fill out the same questionnaire several more times for how they thought people on opposing points of the spectrum would. The posed answers were compared against actual ones and scored appropriately. Guess who got the lowest score. If lefties …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:23 PM
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So you don't understand the meaning of "ontological", got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:34 PM
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My media? Please. whipping conservatives into a frenzy over this "groomer" shit that's going to start getting gay people attacked. Abusing the definition of a word so much that it becomes meaningless? I wonder where they got that idea from.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:33 PM
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Oh I don't disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:32 PM
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It's about being disgusted how another person views other human beings, which is reflected by: their politics. Spoken like a true lefty. Left-leaning liberals, centrists, conservatives, and libertarians view members of other political camps as people with bad ideas. Leftists view all non-leftists as bad people with ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:34 AM
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Two separate issues. Court bias is only a factor when custody is contested, which, contrary to RP beliefs, actually doesn't happen very often as you've mentioned. The consensus among family lawyers I've talked to is that court bias still leans against men, but is still highly variable depending on the jurisdiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:27 AM
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how is it drawn back to learning of a partners past sex life?One is current the other is past. I won't lie to you and say they're the same, because they're obviously not. They're only comparable insofar as they trigger feelings of insecurity about your partner's attraction to you. The difficulty in these types of conversations is that the genders hold the act of casual sex in very different esteem. So with said difference the two genders place on casual sex, I can understand the feeling as a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:46 AM
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As unrealistic as it is and it’s hella unrealistic, let’s say I find out and I let it ruin my current relationship. Wouldn’t that be my fault? In my opinion, no. Like all people you want to feel secure in your relationship, a large portion of which is dependent on your perceived partner's attraction to you. That's why I think it's completely rational for women to get upset when their boyfriend/husband checks out Instagram models or chooses to watch porn over being intimate with her (both extreme…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:52 AM
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Your example is still unrealistic. If I’m that obsessed that I find out the details of your past relationships, men should run! I never said they would come up in conversations, I said "finding out". And girlfriends stalk their partners' exes all the time, but do you tell us? Of course not. The details in the first scenario wouldn't come up in a one-on-one conversation; more likely through social media usage or through mutuals. The second example I gave is probably more common and nightmarish fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:06 AM
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That example is a bit unrealistic. The gender reversed scenario more often brought up is finding out your current boyfriend treated his gorgeous ex-GF to expensive gifts and vacations but doesn't ever do that with you (despite no change in his financial situation). Or, having a relationship fall apart after 6+ years because he wouldn't pop the question, then him immediately getting engaged to another woman 6 months after you guys broke up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:25 AM
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Because it's necessarily elitist/aristocratic. The fact some men's partners were allowed to exercise a privilege they couldn't causes feelings of comparison/inferiority not unlike a woman whose situationship partner commits to other women after refusing to commit to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:17 AM
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The reason for more universality among women's ratings is precisely because they are more broad. The reason for less universality among men's ratings is precisely because they are narrow. So few men are what would be considered as "conventionally attractive", the only way they would be considered attractive is by catering to a highly polarizing "niche". So for men, standards are narrowly defined both in the "niche" sphere (i.e. the soft boy female gaze look) and the conventionally attractive sph…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:58 PM
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None of what I'm saying contradicts your or that study's hypothesis. There absolutely still exists a high variability in preferences among men that would be considered "very conventionally attractive". So a conventionally attractive guy that would initially be attractive to, say, only 25% of all women would still fit into that hypothesis. But 25% is still a massive improvement over the <1% of women that would find an average guy initially attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:38 PM
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Disagree. Conventional beauty standards do exist for men and they are much much more narrowly defined for men than they are for women. Women do still experience more pressure to conform to their conventional beauty standards, however. The reason you see so many men fail is because they are more narrowly defined and more genetically deterministic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:25 PM
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You do understand that just because someone changes their mind, that doesn't mean they were lying, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:21 PM
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it doesn't affect what causes blame. Sure it does. We're dissecting avoidant attachment personality traits here; it can't simply be reduced to the binary of either lying or telling the truth. Avoidant women will send signals they're interested in guys then withdraw once they've "obtained" the validation and attention they wanted. That doesn't mean they were lying in the first place, as lying requires intent. It just means they are fickle. Avoidant men are no different, but with sex, as sex is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 04:46 PM
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the difference doesn't really matter. It matters a ton. The latter reason is what the woman did. The former reason is for what the man is. Wouldn't you agree women shouldn't be blaming themselves for getting pump-and-dumped?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:51 PM
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No. The reason for most pump-and-dumps is the hedonistic pursuit of new pussy, not because he thought you were a slut for "giving it up too soon". Subtle but important difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:55 AM
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But guys want to be accepted for who they are vs based on looks so if casual sex was really their aim Couldn’t they accept unattractive women for who they are as well? They could in theory and many do go for less attractive women but that isn't always how it plays out. Despite the prevailing narrative that men will fuck anything that moves, a lot of your "worth" as a man is still tied to how beautiful the woman you are capable of dating and sleeping with is. So it's not just about about obtainin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:43 AM
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I sometimes think men lower their league just to not have to compete. It goes beyond that. As a man, almost everything about dating/hooking up is easier when you're doing it with a woman you know is beneath you in terms of looks. She's easier to please. She's more eager to please (both of these two points apply both inside and outside the bedroom). She's more likely to put up with whatever shady shit you throw her way. Think no contact for weeks then going right back as if it never happened. I c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:24 PM
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It amazes me how they don’t get that. Because this necessarily means the "privilege" of being allowed to have lots of casual sex is locked to only a handful of men (and most women). Tough pill to swallow but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:41 PM
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I've only seen this ring true when applied to online dating and the "casual sex market" which, as it should surprise no one, looks are the most important factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:20 PM
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1) There was a post last week on here saying the exact same thing. 2) Most women do acknowledge men are hornier and when pressed, acknowledge this contributes to dating market imbalances.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:34 PM
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No. Being more suspicious and on guard for personal safety reasons is a lot different than thinking most men are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:28 PM
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Flair checks out. It seems only one of us hates the opposite gender and retreats behind improperly used mental health terms because they can't back their arguments up. You've already made up your mind, self-proclaimed misandrist. Cheers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:27 AM
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PPD men This guy... Cites the most extreme example of misogyny Your evidence is insufficient. 🥱
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:21 AM
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No, you're just seeing the results of Cunningham's Law (of a sort) and your own negativity bias. The majority of comments and engagements generated are disagreements; which flaired subset of men do you think are most likely to generate said disagreements? It's just another talking point people can repeat to themselves as a morally grandstanding circlejerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:09 AM
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I laughed at the first part. It wouldn't be a Gigamon2014 comment without mentioning somewhere how much of a Chad you are and/or your membership within high-end sex clubs. But other than the humble brags I do find most of your commentary insightful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 12:53 AM
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The reason male hormonal birth control doesn't exist has nothing to do with the expectation that women take 100% of reproductive responsibility (or some other "systemic" bullshit excuse) and everything to do with the fact that male hormonal birth control is practically impossible. Because men are fertile 24/7, and the only hormone controlling spermatogenesis is testosterone, the only way to achieve azoospermia hormonally is a reduction of testosterone to prepubescent levels. (Technically Follicl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 12:43 AM
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I would probably mention the fact that age gap relationships lose a lot of their luster when you start planning for the future and realize the younger of the two (in most cases, the woman) has to start being a caretaker and watch their partner start to physically degrade way before they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:57 PM
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You're just contradicting yourself. You can't say, in the body of your post, that there are "pre requisites before looks start to matter at all" and then double back and admit looks can indeed be dealbreakers, when, as Mobrowncheeks accurately pointed out (and you didn't disagree with), looks are the first thing you notice about someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 07:10 PM
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Maybe you should revise the first sentence of your post then: It’s that there are so many pre requisites before looks start to matter at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 06:54 PM
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The vast majority of the time, men who are fat know they are and adjust their expectations accordingly. Additionally, the overweight statistics in America for both men and women are skewed by older people (who are usually already married/in relationships) and Deep South states with sky high obesity rates. I spend a decent amount of time examining men's profiles who claim they aren't having much success, and 99% of time it isn't because they're fat, it's because they're short, bald, a less desire…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:48 PM
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Did you end up going through with it? I'm thinking about having some work done myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:46 PM
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Cosmetic surgery is more often used to look natural to fix a genetic or developmental deformity. People only tend notice the overdone/dangerous/badly performed cosmetic surgeries because those are the ones that are the most obvious and talked about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:43 PM
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I mean, if she’s your best friend’s ex maybe don’t go for it lol. But if she dated a friendly acquaintance, who gives a shit. He can put on his big boy pants and cope All highly dependent on the dynamics of the group, like who has more pull. But that still leaves the issue of time frames. You don't see a guy shooting his shot right after a breakup as seeming a bit predatory?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:38 PM
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It's not the fact that they are attractive that's the issue. It's that these dynamics are occurring inside of friend groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:22 PM
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Only if you're judging effectiveness only by the final outcome that a relationship being established (i.e. the ends justify the means). The "means" and wider implications do matter to me, which is why I would never advocate for that strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:20 PM
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Acknowledging the effectiveness of a strategy through observation is not advocating for said strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:11 PM
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IMO, Mutual friends are just not a good thing when it comes to relationships. Separate friend groups seem to me to be healthier and less prone to fuckery in broad. Relationships are already difficult enough, I don't see how adding more fuckable good people to the table helps a relationship flourish. I know this is a minority opinion. I agree for the most part. I've seen the drama these scenarios can illicit and it's not pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:10 PM
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Where did I say I was following it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:07 PM
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No, an orbiter is inherently non-platonic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:06 PM
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Nothing inherently wrong, it just feels... weird. That feeling as a guy of it being "your turn", knowing there's probably another guy waiting on the sidelines for you to fail. I've seen it promote distrust and factionalism among men in groups. Nasty stuff that made me realize men are just as petty as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:05 PM
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You know you can have shitty luck and still not be a hermit, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:01 PM
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Orbiters come in all different shapes and sizes. From decently attractive and charming to those that fit the "nice guy" stereotype. Never seen a guy in the latter category have any success but I've seen tons in the former vulture with success.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:57 PM
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Oh absolutely. Every medium (whether it be OLD or through mutual friends) has its downsides. Vulturing is just the unfortunate reality that people who say dumb shit like, "jUsT dAtE wiThIN yoUr frIeND grOUP" need to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:53 PM
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I've always looked down on guys that do it, but to steelman the act of vulturing, there could be several reasons: you already know each other and probably share similar values. you probably share common experiences and mutual friends from which to build on. With mutual friends, there is an expectation of mutual respect and higher trust you are starting from. For example, she probably won't ghost you (nor you would to her) since that would probably mean social ostracization. you've already been "…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:48 PM
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Not that I've ever done it, but its suprising how effective "vulturing" is at getting a relationship with a serial monogamous woman in a mutual friend group IME. (i.e. a guy waiting on the sidelines for a relationship to end then sweeping in to immediately start courting the woman). Anyone who's ever given the advice of "dating within their friend group" doesn't understand how quickly serial monogamous women jump back into relationships with very little recovery time. Any guy that wants to shoot…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:23 PM
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I don't see the issue. What the person setting up the date thinks or says doesn't really matter that much. Either you click or you don't. And men desire women more primarily because of testosterone, not because women are more attractive (they are but there are various unrelated reasons). Look deeper on why a supposive attractive man has a hard time dating. He isn't as physically attractive as he thought (short, ugly, and/or bald). Or he has shitty luck and lack of exposure to single women in his…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 07:58 PM
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If you don't care that he's monogamous, he shouldn't be too hard to find. Just go to male dominated "nerd spaces" or church.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 07:28 PM
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Nothing, there's no animosity in the question. It's just odd that you want a guy that's non-monogamous and I'm curious as to know why. The only time I've ever heard that is when the woman wanted to see and fuck other people herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 07:20 PM
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Do you only want him to be non-monogamous to guilt-free enable your own non-monogamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 07:16 PM
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obviously i cant change my promiscuous past You'll probably just lie anyway, unless you're concerned about him finding out through mutuals, then you might want to take some precautions. i can’t leave my toxic relationship That's a non-starter. Overwhelming majority of guys still don't like sharing. You're going to need to cut yourself off before you can start looking. im very disappointed that there is no true equivalent to TRP where i can find plates??? Now I'm confused. Do you want a rich guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 07:13 PM
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I don't think we disagree on the reasons why women choose to be single. They are multivariate, as I've already stated. But to circle back to the main issue of the thread, it does appear to be the case that there are more single men than single woman that are actively looking for a relationship. According to a Pew Research survey Men are far more likely than women to be on the dating market: 61% of single men say they are currently looking for a relationship or dates, compared with 38% of single …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 04:22 AM
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but most women would rather have a partner is they can have someone that makes them happy. If we're talking women as a whole, then yes I would agree (generally speaking) since statistically most women are in relationships and want to be happy in said relationships. What I'm talking about are single women. Most are single for a reason and IME aren't proactively looking, for a variety of reasons. Being independent has nothing to do with being done with men, but having equal relationships No, "inde…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:41 PM
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Yeah, that would be my dad and my stepmother. Also my dad when he was married to my mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:21 PM
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You understand that most straigh men not having monogamous relationships would also mean that most straight women don't right? Yeah, and a lot of women here seem to gloat about the fact. The common talking point is that women are perfectly happy all by themselves and that men are liabilities that expect all their GFs and wives to be mommy mcbangmaids (Basically the gender inverse of MGTOW). In the real world, I and a lot of other men and women have observed a slow but steady segregation happenin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:55 PM
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It goes beyond just the casual sex market. If the Pew Research survey of single Americans is anything to go by, there isn't that big of a difference between men and women that are exclusively seeking casual dates (22% of men vs 16% of women). 56% of single men and 48% of single women would be fine with either casual dating or a committed relationship. Also: Men are far more likely than women to be on the dating market: 61% of single men say they are currently looking for a relationship or dates,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 05:44 AM
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comments are always filled with women saying some variation of “I’m X years old and now I see (X - 1) year olds as children” It's been my experience that the type of woman most likely to say this are those that have younger brothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 05:27 PM
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In real life, pump and dumps are exceedingly rare. The vast majority of casual encounters involve both parties being aware of the casual nature and the (low) expectations they entail. IMO, if you are hot enough as a guy to be honest about your casual intentions and still have an ample supply of casual sex, you've passed the "Chad litmus test".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 03:37 PM
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Also, I've had plenty of nights where I've gone out to bars looking for a guy to talk to and I wasn't successful. The dominant perception among young men nowadays is that women don't go to bars and nightclubs to talk to and meet men anymore. This is further reinforced by women who complain about being hit on by creepy guys and that they are just there to have a good time and dance with their girlfriends. So the ball is in your court on this one; almost all bars and clubs I've been to in recent m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 03:28 PM
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If babies were completely self-sufficient soon after they were birthed I could see that position as defensible, but that is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:59 PM
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Non-sequitur. I didn't respond to OP, I responded to you and your claim about biological determinism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:19 PM
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Well, we’re alive now, and women can own property, have a job, drive a car and there’s childcare out of school hours care etc Non-sequitur, but good for you. Also, you were the one that brought up "biological determinism", so how human tribes were oriented and survived 10,000 years ago actually does matter. Would you like to try to derail and obfuscate again or just admit you were wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:15 PM
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Yes, considering the ability for a woman to raise a child on her own is a blip on the timescale of human evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:47 PM
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Did they 10,000 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:41 PM
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This doesn't make sense though when you consider that "modern humans" spent most of their time evolving in hunter gatherer tribes. It doesn't really matter if you're giving birth to Chad's babies since even the most genetically gifted child is helpless for the first few years of their lives, where stability and access to resources are far more important to guarantee the child's survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:45 PM
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If either sex are more biologically determined towards polyamory, it’s women. How though? Isn't monogamy the most optimal strategy for ensuring the survival of the child and by extension, the continuation of her genes?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 03:12 AM
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This changes nothing, you know that right? Statistically, most women are already in relationships and most single women are most likely demisexual. The majority of the small % of single women who do engage in casual sex already do so in states where this decision doesn't matter and utilize all other contraceptives available to them. You're a fool if you really think women's standards writ large are going to get dramatically higher than they already are just for this one decision. I'm pro-choice …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:36 AM
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Than what was the purpose of this post? Just "nyah nyah, you don't get to fuck me!"? Its honestly just so immature and cringe. I'm sure the conservatives are seething over this huge blow to hookup culture (Spoiler alert: They're not. They're pissing themselves laughing at women like you posturing to refuse to engage in casual sex... because that's what they've always wanted).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:27 AM
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Yeah like what is this complaining all about. Remember that half the political left here in America unironically believes your country is socialist. Our lefties are unhinged and insane. The only lefties I've ever been able to have rational and mature conversations with are the European ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:17 AM
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Oh I know why women do it, I was more surprised at the lack of men. Their DMs might tell a different story though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 11:35 PM
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Most people commenting on pretty girls photos are other girls, with the sole exception of women who are on OnlyFans I was actually surprised as a latecomer to IG that this is indeed the case. My best friend's step sister is the classic, bleach blonde mid-20s SoCal UMC white woman that I follow. Decided to look at a group photo and lurk on some profiles of her friends that weren't private as a sample. And sure enough, every person in the comments was another woman, even the ones that were thirst …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 10:57 PM
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The courts have broadly ruled that people have a constitutionally protected right to privacy across policy domains and across court compositions. I thought we were talking about constitutionality and now you want to talk about legal precedent based on what the courts have historically ruled? Anyway... The constitution guarantees a right to privacy on certain policy domains. Abortion is several, pivoting degrees of separation from these protected policy domains. We can go into Roe v Wade decision…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 09:34 PM
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Yes. What I have a problem with is this: You believe that the constitutionally protected right to privacy, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of expression implies that one cannot be forced by the state to reproduce and provide for someone else. You're saying that being pro-choice is dependent on whether I believe in the constitutionally protected right to privacy, which is incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 09:03 PM
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Being pro-choice means you fundamentally believe that abortion decisions lie with an individual, not the state. Now explain why thinking Roe v Wade was flawed decision is necessarily contradictory of that statement. Your mistake is thinking people can only be pro-choice by providing a American constitutional justification.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:38 PM
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Is there some sort of enumerated power that Congress can invoke to protect/ban abortion? Yes. It's called the passage of bills and laws. 2008-2010 was a golden opportunity to pass a federal protection bill and Democrats wasted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:33 PM
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Federal bans and protections would not be unconstitutional. Abortion not being in the constitution just means the SCOTUS doesn't get to make decisions on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:26 PM
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You know you can be pro-choice and still acknowledge Roe v Wade was a garbage decision at the time it was made, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:21 PM
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Yes, but have wildly differing views on when in the pregnancy abortions should be illegal/restricted. My personal opinion is legal with no restrictions up to 13 weeks but even that would be considered "too conservative" for most adamantly pro-choicers in the US despite being the exact same standard Germany has.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 04:20 PM
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I was more referring to facial aesthetics, which looksmaxxing can't fix unless you count cosmetic surgery. Conventionally attractive male faces are rare as defined by our current gender dimorphic beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 04:06 PM
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most men do not evoke lust in women, because they don't looksmaxx. No, most men cannot evoke lust because they don't fit into the more narrowly defined conventional beauty standards for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 03:56 PM
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There's also not enough info to think she is entitled because the dishes could equally mean part of the dishes that are getting used when they eat together. Which makes a whole lot of sense within those 3 examples. Then he would've said "our dishes" or "the dishes". Stop reading into it so much. But I'd guess you are just gonna make a BS excuse as to why that's impossible? Only one of us is trying to fill in the blanks with things that were never said. If you want context, ask OP. I'll be happy …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:12 AM
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Highly doubt those were the only reasons. If a better option (not saying this is what happened, just a hypothetical) came along, you'd probably make up BS excuses too on issues that weren't really that big of a deal. So, as I've already said: The sick one is on him. Her dishes are her responsibility. Not enough context is given on the "cooking". There isn't nearly enough info here to level the "OP forcing his SO into being a mommy mcbangmaid" accusation you guys seem to jump on so readily. The e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:53 AM
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So the cooking one is ambiguous but the dishes aren't? Yes, because he said "her dishes", and just "cooking". I'm taking what he's saying at face value instead of trying to read too much into it which is what you're doing. OP never said or even implied he "did nothing" but it seems you're committed at this point to OP being the villain. He said she gave him gave three examples so that's what I'm going off of.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:33 AM
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Yes, and the only legitimate one is the "not taking care of her when she's sick" one. Which isn't even a love language problem, that's just being a decent partner. The cooking one is ambiguous. If he was making her cook for him all the time, then I could see a problem but he didn't exactly specify. The dishes are on her, assuming they were actually "her dishes". If men are expected to clean up after themselves, so can women. A lot of people will use acts of service followed by a specific task th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:08 AM
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Plenty. I just think less of people with those two particular primary love languages.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:36 PM
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The incel rages because in a democratic age his democratic spirit bridles at the aristocratic standards of women. Poetry.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 05:14 PM
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Her love languages were gift giving and acts of service. Oof. She wanted an ATM and a slave. Sorry bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 04:33 PM
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From a moral standpoint, yes but you're missing the point. Healthcare is a resource. A limited, scarce resource. Simply jacking up the number of people healthcare is available to isn’t going to magically solve the supply side of the equation. It will need to be rationed, there will need to be death panels, and a some people won't be able to get life saving care they need in time due to long lines. And that's not even getting into the obesity epidemic that will be a huge burden on the system. Eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 04:07 PM
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The number of people seeking healthcare (demand) would go way up. Socialized healthcare necessitates some level government intervention to restructure the entire healthcare system itself, not just covering the cost. Healthcare and health insurance are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:19 PM
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I think you're projecting on all men because I don't believe all men are hardwired to be salivating, uncontrollable animals that are one popped shirt button away from ravishing another person. Eh, one popped shirt button away from raping someone is a bit of an exaggeration. But the higher, visual-based sex drive is something I think a lot of women have a hard time understanding, just as many men have a hard time understanding women's "context based" sexuality. It does make you feel like an objec…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:04 AM
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Of course, I'm just pointing out there is no way you can completely get rid of crimes like rape simply by improving socialization.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:13 AM
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A small % of people will always come out fucked in the head. A psychopath's brain and autonomic nervous system operate completely different to a normal person. That isn't something the "nurture" part of the debate can explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:56 AM
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"Break rules for chad and make good men wait." I think it makes more sense to say break the rules for chad/the good looking guy and make the average looking guy wait. Yeah, I agree as a dude that's known a few "Chads". Last one I was friends with was one of the nicest guys I ever knew. Would drop anything to help out his buddies. He was playing the field a lot when I knew him then got married and had a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:37 AM
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Well, we're hornier due to the fact we have testosterone. Plus beauty standards are a lot narrower for what is considered a "conventionally attractive man" compared to a "conventionally attractive woman".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:26 AM
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Yes, but this is to be expected so I don't obsess over it. Not many options. For some time I've been witnessing a marked decrease in single women's enthusiasm to interact with and date men. Single women exist through mutuals but seem to prefer to stay in their own insulated, women only, friend groups. Nothing wrong with that, they're free to do what they want. It's just getting them to come out with any sort of consistency to build rapport is a struggle. I also think it's pretty much settled at …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:46 AM
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That or a Brave New World scenario with artificial uteri and genetic engineering, where population and the gender ratio is centrally controlled. Having a female to male ratio of say, 3:2 could in theory make the dating environment a little less competitive for men (current ratio is roughly 1:2 young women to men that are single and actively seeking a relationship). Plus feminists would probably be happy that there's more women than men, so win-win. Purely speculative at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 10:34 PM
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We want women to want to be with us but the hard truth is that, due to the fact that men want women more than women want men, a lot of men are going to die bitter, sad, and alone. Personally, I think I'll be fine but I empathize with below average men who, often through no fault of their own, feel hopeless. Juxtaposed against a liberal value system that emphasizes fairness, equity, and equality, men are told that with regards to sex and relationships, life now isn't fair. So the ones that don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 10:07 PM
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"I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm not saying I want to reverse it..." Do you actually read the body of posts or do you just prefer to ignore it so you can morally grandstand?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 09:25 PM
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I just need your opinion on this pair: https://images.app.goo.gl/e2QN53fG2ZbKJdps7 Yea or nay? Asking for a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 09:20 PM
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don’t even get me started on their choice of sunglasses No, please. Get started...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 09:07 PM
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Realistically, there is no way to know, which is why I and many other men find the question to be kind of dumb. I get that people's tastes and boundaries change while they mature, which is why the only caveat I would add is that it would be disgusting to me if she had two different sets of rules for two different types of men at the same time. I.e. simultaneously engaging in immediate casual sex with one type of man while withholding sex from another man she sees as "relationship material". Extr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 08:26 PM
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Consent is not redundant once boundaries have been established. Just because someone is generally ok with something doesn't mean they always are. You still have to make sure your partner wants what you are doing right now. No, people who live in the real world take things for what they are said at face value. If a woman tells me she only wants to go down on her, I'm going to progress up to that point unless otherwise asked to. Boundaries are allowed to be adjusted as the act progresses, yes? You…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 08:17 PM
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There's no strategy here. There is since consent becomes redundant once boundaries have been clearly delineated. You don't get to refuse to ask for consent and boundaries and then pretend like you weren't at fault for ignoring them. Asking what boundaries are is included under consent. Telling someone what your boundaries are beforehand (or in the moment, if you want) so they don't have to ask is the superior option since Also, how can you ignore something that hasn't been communicated? Also, me…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 07:41 PM
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You're trying so hard to morally grandstand here that you can't seem to understand the difference between "trying to be free of responsibility" and comparing the relative effectiveness of two different strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 07:06 PM
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There's nothing wrong with asking for consent. If guys want to do it, then fine. But if the issue at stake is a woman's physical safety and well-being, it makes more logical sense for her to be proactive about what she does or doesn't want. Consent is just an irrelevant and redundant conversation to have at that point if boundaries have already been clearly and effectively communicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 06:59 PM
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Sex isn't versus the other, its with the other. Yeah, I agree. Women having an issue means that their male partners have the same issue. Disagree. Differing life experiences and sexual dimorphism dictate a woman will in most cases have very different concerns and priorities than her male partner. As much as we don't want it to be, the dynamic is inherently unbalanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 06:34 PM
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You don't get to just drop the responsibility of communicating boundaries and consent on other people. Ok, but can we call a spade a spade and not pretend the dynamics at play here are balanced as it applies to heterosexual encounters? Going back to my first bullet point, I think we both agree that safety is a woman's primary concern when having sex with a new guy, yes? The supposed "success" of the encounter is contingent upon whether or not she, not him, feels safe (generally speaking). No wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 05:29 PM
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Consent isn't the only option, though. I've been reliably informed that women are human beings with agency. So use that agency of yours and outline what you want the boundaries of the sexual encounter to be. Women probably shouldn't even be having sex with men they're not comfortable communicating their boundaries to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 05:04 PM
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No woman is actually going to say anything like, "just go for it". The rock and a hard place us men find ourselves stuck between is based on a few fundamental truths about sex and the early stages of heterosexual dating: Men need to be conscious and empathetic of women's physical safety concerns. Asking for consent too often and for a significant % of women is a major turnoff. Reading and understanding non-verbal cues shows leadership and high emotional intelligence, which is attractive to the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 04:28 PM
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absolutely unwilling to show any interest in a guy they're interested in. Ah, the game of chicken that is "If he wanted to, he would."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 03:57 PM
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I don't think u/Bekiala is trying to gloat or rub it in, it's just a statement of fact. Historically, less men than women have been able to pass on their genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:46 PM
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Easier for women in the dating/relationships sphere. I grew up UMC, most of the above average women I knew never went more than a few months being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:42 PM
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I don't have many options. I'm a pretty average-looking volcel dude. Like a solid 5.5/10. Far from being a "Chad" in any sense of the word. That being said I do have limited experience with casual sex partners. If you're an average dude, like me, your goal should be to create a sexual environment where she wants to have sex with you again. You need to have a baseline level of chemistry and good vibes even especially with women you're seeing casually, because sex isn't the only thing you're going…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:58 PM
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men pretty much only care about looks. Again, I'd have to disagree. Both for casual sex partners and LTRs. I can initially be very attracted to a woman and after 5 minutes of talking to her, immediately be turned off.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:18 PM
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For men looks are everything. It appears that for you, looks in women are everything too, since that seems like the sole deciding factor for how successful you think men are with women. I would disagree entirely with that sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:10 PM
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Low pay & low potential for building marketable job skills and advancing upward to higher paying position.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 06:59 PM
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The women loser men get with aren't exactly "high value" either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 06:57 PM
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Lol, you're trying so fucking hard to grandstand, it's hilarious. Lying about your sexual history to your partner is disrespectful and manipulative Disagree. she never said anything about "all PPD men" She and I never used the words "all PPD men". Here is what I was replying to: This whole sub is full of men that talk down to women and telling them what they experience isn't real. Maybe use those fat fingers and scroll up, buddy. how you hate certain women who complain about sexists and act like…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 06:47 PM
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Getting too comfortable, possibly. Maintaining that sexual energy in a relationship is entirely conditional and the lion's share of the effort is going to fall on the guy to keep the romance going. Then again, all relationships' honeymoon phases have an expiration date. Dude could just be getting unlucky and ending up with the type of woman that leaves at the first hint of monotony.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 04:34 PM
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It may not just be the sex itself. If OP's partner lost respect for him outside the bedroom (for whatever reason), that's going to kill libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:18 PM
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You literally said to lie, intentionally, that's pretty disrespectful Nope, lying is not inherently disrespectful. no one brought it up until you started ranting about it Brought what up? Be more specific. The lying part was in response to OP's comment. The PPD men was in response to the other person reeking about men on this sub gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:10 AM
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and disrespect women Where did I say that? women who complain about sexists like they're the real problem, and not the actual women hating incels themselves. Wrong, I was remarking about the type of woman who use the "PPD male hivemind" talking point like its some own. Also, where did I say women hating incels aren't a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:30 AM
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Which is why I said "average grass-touching man or woman". This sub is not representative of real life. This sub does seem to be filled with a certain type of woman (yourself included, but maybe you're a dude, don't really care to check your post history) that like to resort to the "PPD male hivemind" talking point over and over again so you can jerk each other off and morally grandstand. None of you types actually like to engage with nuanced takes but the second a black piller or red piller (le…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:48 AM
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Even on a dating app, we want to feel special. So do we. But we all know we're disposable and just one of many of hundreds of dudes in your inbox so why bother? We can "chicken or egg" this and try to blame one gender for starting it, but it ultimately doesnt matter. You can't expect men to expend finite money and emotional energy to "court" you when we know we're easily replaceable with the next best man in your long list of matches. Why do you think there are so few men left on dating apps tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 04:54 PM
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Something I saw on this subreddit on the differing advice you would give to men vs women after a string of toxic relationships: For men: The women who choose you will keep acting like this. For women: The men you choose will keep acting like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 04:36 PM
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It’s literally impossible to find something you actually want to see, it’s all a compromise. r/chickflixxx Owen Gray and Manuel Ferrara are two actors that seem to be very popular with women. Bellesa is an entire porn production company run by women, for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 05:49 AM
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Oh yeah and it shows. Even if a lot of these women were single I still wouldn't want to date them for that very reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:54 PM
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I just wonder if the average guy is actually pretty good looking. That I'm not actually average as I'd like to think but below =\ Average guy is pretty average. Men have much narrower standards for what is considered attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:01 PM
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I've personally talked to the leading urologist who conducted animal trials in the US and met with the FDA about it. According to him, it's still currently undergoing human trials in Australia that the American FDA has said they will accept the results of. When I emailed him 9 months ago he said it was probably 2-3 years out from being approved.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:19 PM
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Lol the whole thread is about mens “right” to abandon the child, We already went over this. What child? There is no child to abandon when this decision would be made. no one is mad about child support being paid on a child that doesn’t get born. That’s not something that exists. You're trolling, right? Do you actually understand what is being discussed or do you not? Imagine if it was legal for me to take out a car loan for a Lamborghini in your name, but don't worry you won't actually own the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 01:14 AM
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You opted not to correct him. Your fault, misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 10:30 PM
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You chose not to add context. Your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 10:27 PM
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Your terms are acceptable. Anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 10:16 PM
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When men blame us for their actions and tell us to choose better.., do you not realize this means not being instantly accessible to every man? Yes, that is the point. Quality over quantity. The more stable and honest the guy is the higher the chance of a breakup being amicable if it occurs. Therefore, the less jaded and more willing women would be to re-enter the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 10:14 PM
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You could've changed the wording of your reply to be more inclusive but you chose not to. Kinda telling. Don't get all pissy just because you made a Freudian slip.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 10:09 PM
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Oh I didn't skip it, I'm just surprised you doubled down and replied with something 10X as sexist. At least OP was asking a question but you were the one that made the declaration that only "beautiful women" get to decide which men's opinions are valuable, no caveats or qualifiers. That's on you. You're trying to deflect onto the OP to cover up your mistake but it isn't working.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 09:55 PM
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Your attention is insignificant to women who aren’t attracted. 100% wrong. This isn't even a gendered phenomenon. People enjoy attention and validation. It's a reflection of power, social standing, and value within the tribe. You matter very much as a person to those in your sphere and a tremendous amount to a woman who is also attracted to you. That isn't what you said though. You said "the only men that matter are the ones beautiful women want to fuck." You're trying so hard to offend the men …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 09:17 PM
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I have a decent social life with some connections to single women through mutuals and it can still be tough. Most of these single women are friends or relatives of members of my friend group and getting them to come out is difficult (our group is pretty evenly split gender wise, maybe 60/40 men to women), either because they aren't interested or feeling well, are doing a girl's night only thing, or are on a date with a guy they met online. It could be just me, but I've definitely noticed a decli…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:57 PM
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knowing this I have absolutely no idea why men approach sex in the way they do. If I had no birth control options I’d sure have behaved differently. But hey, screeching about child support online is one way to go about taking your reproductive health into your own hands. This isn't a conversation about birth control (which is both party's responsibility), this is about what happens after conception, when birth control has failed. But nice try at deflecting. But go on about your supposed right to…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:45 PM
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Resorting to precautionary measures as a counter-argument. You sound like a pro-lifer. They are actually on birth control of some kind Birth control and other contraceptives fail They are on the same page as you if a pregnancy does occur. And there you go, no child. It doesn't matter what conversations were had beforehand. A woman can change her mind at any time about what to do with her body. If she wants to have that baby she will do it, with or without the man's consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 06:35 PM
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there is a child in this scenario Not yet it isn't, considering all hypothetical financial abortions would be done when physical abortions are still a viable option. At least try to engage with the point instead of inventing a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:58 AM
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No. Facial attractiveness standards for men are far far narrower.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 06:47 AM
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Black pills think looks (genetics) are everything, as if most women spontaneously respond to that, when they don’t. That would be a blue pill belief that men and women are the same, because it is something men do. Idk if you talked to them but that's not what they believe, or not most of them. A lot of blackpillers I've talked to don't necessarily blame women, but more the dating environment we are forced to live in. While a large part of it is the fact that women no longer need to financially d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 07:39 AM
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When most people say "incels" they're not referring to a group of men that inhabit some forum you haven't yet mentioned, they're referring to all men that are involuntary celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 05:32 PM
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Me hate reading their community for hours daily until I spent roughly 300 hours hate reading it and that makes the source: their own community. MOST of them Yeah, that's not a source, that's just your selection and negativity bias. You can go into any dark corner of the internet where a radical group congregates and then claim the wider demographic they occupy is all bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:00 PM
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I mean, if it just gets repeated enough times that the well of discourse has been poisoned, after a while it doesn't matter whether or not you provide any proof, you can just declare as Team A that Team B is ontologically fucked in the head or evil, then you can just do your victory lap and strut around like a retarded pigeon by morally jerking off you and your "team". It's just such a brainless, low-effort move and PPD is far from the only debate community that engages in this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 08:42 PM
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It seems like what you are getting at is that in the absence of strict social conventions human nature is for women to be dominant sex in the dating world. Would you agree with that? Yes and no. Yes because women are currently the dominant sex in terms of dating. No because women could, if they wanted to, invent their own new social conventions for dating and still be the dominant sex (but unlikely to happen). And do you think this is relegated just to dating? Men clearly dominate in terms of po…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 01:30 PM
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There is one factor you haven't mentioned (maybe tangentially related to the paragraph on social democratic reforms) and that is social and public trust. Strict gun control works if and only if 1) Citizens trust the government not to take advantage of the government's monopoly on firearm ownership. This requires decades of pre-existing, culturally engrained liberal values and a strong bill of rights with checks and balances that cannot be repealed with a simple 50.1% majority. (For its lack of g…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:21 AM
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Yes. The common resource here being "trust and goodwill" between the genders. https://medium.com/@georgiewolf/how-the-tragedy-of-the-commons-ruins-online-dating-for-everyone-2e8c54ec9104
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:05 AM
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Men aren’t victims of women in dating any more then women are victims of men. I'm not trying to play oppression olympics here. My comment is more trying to point out the unequal power dynamics on a macro scale, not "who has it worse". Imbalanced wants and desires are going to result in different experiences, that's all. Of course, women still get played. Of course women consider risk vs reward (the "risk" factor more literally than us since you have to worry more about your physical safety). I n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:58 AM
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The idea that women particularly are reactive sexually is confusing to me. How us it confusing? Sure everyone reacts to stimuli, but traditional gender roles that benefit women will be kept alive by women 1) because it benefits them and 2) because they are allowed to dictate the rules due to unequal romantic and sexual desires. Initiating and approaching carries the risk of rejection, so if you had the power to shift the responsibilities and potential downsides of said risks to another party, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 11:16 PM
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Dont let women make you jump through hoops. If she does she's probably not interested and was recently burned by a player. If we assume that women are reactive sexually and romantically (whether because they are biologically programmed or socially conditioned), then that necessarily means men are going to have to jump through some hoops in order to date a woman. Sure, there are going to be exceptions, but I don't think men collectively being passive and accepting nothing less than enthusiastic c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 04:50 PM
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Sure. As I've already admitted later on in the thread, there are plenty of legitimate reasons, including, but not limited to, Men being overly aggressive Men being creepy/pervy Men lying about platonic intentions And that's just on the woman's end. I just want people to stop pretending like men and women are both starting from the same point in New group settings because we most definitely are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 06:55 PM
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Yes, and you immediately assumed I was trying to do so only because I wanted to get my dick wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 04:22 PM
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Ok, and?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 04:18 PM
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And since you decided to edit your comment after I responded: And why not, since the whole point of discussing socializing is so you can get your dick wet? Since, apparently, there is no other reason to do so That's a lot of uncharitable assumptions you just made when I gave no indication I'm only looking to hookup (and for the record, no, I'm not just looking to get my dick wet). Thank you for continuing to prove my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 04:08 PM
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Experience is oppression, huh? Did I say that? There are perfectly justifiable reasons to be suspicious of men. Just stop acting like it's a level playing field because it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 03:58 PM
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Not at all my point. The fact that you found it necessary to bring up the obvious fact that we shouldn't act like pervs just highlights the bigger trust deficit men have to start from.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 03:45 PM
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So do women newcomers have to prove they're not going to "immediately perv on every single woman" (or man) there? Seems like you just admitted to the difference in implicit bias people have towards male vs female newcomers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 03:27 PM
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Women trust men who enjoy the company of women. I do & I'm on very good terms with all the women in my group. They're all platonic friends I've known from high school or my buddies' girlfriends. They're the ones sending out the invites and they're the ones also complaining (remarking more) about the skittishness of their single friends. Like I said, our outings have a good mix of both men and women, but the only women who show up are already in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:21 PM
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Congrats. You're also a woman so...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 07:16 AM
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find new friends Difficult for men, since we gatekeep our social groups, especially if there are single women we are in the process of courting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 06:05 AM
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find new friends Difficult for men, since we gatekeep our social groups, especially if there are single women we are in the process of courting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 06:05 AM
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I'm in said post-college age group with a decent sized mixed friend group. There are a handful of single women (think relatives or old college/high school friends of existing group members) that will get invites and it is extremely difficult to get them to come out. The excuses my friends get are: They don't feel like going out (probably just a catch-all excuse, but fair, maybe they're on their period or something). They are doing their own girls' night thing (ok). They are on a date with a guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 05:59 AM
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Of course it is. But even social media has affected women's perceptions of what boyfriends and relationships are supposed to look like. Not every woman uses OLD but almost every one uses social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 09:39 PM
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I'm just presenting my side and what other people have noticed and seen. If you were expecting a debate with hard sources and evidence, I don't have that and if you want to say "you won" here's your award: 🥇
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 09:28 PM
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I'm sorry, do you think social media has zero effect on people's expectations for relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 09:10 PM
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It means even single women that aren't using the apps are still looking at boyfriends as more a "means to an end" to achieve validation on social media: He has to be photogenic (aka good-looking w/a nice smile) He has to be rich enough to frequently take me to places (or buy me things) so I can show off on social media that I am desired and landed a HVM And yes, men do this too, but not to the same extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 08:19 PM
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I don't know where you're getting 20% but from my own experience it's higher than that for gen z. Social media also has a lot to do with it, not just OLD. We can easily accept that a guy looking at Instagram models probably warps mens' perceptions for how women are supposed to look; likewise, looking at "perfect" good-looking couples on social media probably also affects how women view relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:26 PM
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OLD is kinda all most men have to go off of because it is the de facto medium for opposite sex coupling for younger generations nowadays. Combined with social media it has ripple effects to real life interactions too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:03 PM
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I'm sure the women of Afghanistan will really appreciate your thoughts and prayers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 11:09 PM
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Like I said, I'm not saying it doesn't happen and its probably very geography dependent. I've witnessed them getting approached too but the rate at which I've seen it happen took a sharp decline in the last 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 06:47 PM
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Ten years ago, sure. Less so now. I'm not saying it never happens but the bar for how attractive you have to be as a guy to get approached is a lot higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 05:59 PM
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The only response I give is that not even attractive men get approached, well not anymore at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:14 PM
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It means cultures that treat their women like baby factories and subhuman slaves will outpopulate those cultures that treat women well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 03:51 PM
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Plus, aren't men who care what "relationship material women" think doing the same thing when they treat certainwome differently? (Categorizing women into relationship vs hook-up material.) You're missing the point. Woman makes relationship material guy wait because she thinks that if she sleeps with him too early, he will think she's a slut. 95% of guys won't care, and why would you want to be with the type of guy that is making that value judgment anyway? How equal? Depends. I'd have to subdivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:52 PM
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Really all women do this? Don't act stupid, I know you can understand context. Only the women who care what "relationship material guy" thinks are implicitly accusing him of having a M-W complex. Do you think women should treat every man equally? The ones they are fucking and dating, yes. Do you think it's wrong when men categorize women as hook-up vs marriage material? If it's not immoral for women to use men for sex (like you implied in your last comment) then men can use women for sex. Equali…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:53 PM
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Whereas she does care what a man she deems to be relationship material thinks, so she wants to hold off and not send a negative message about herself to him. This is so hypocritical though. The implied assumption here is that relationship material guy has a Madonna-Whore complex, which women condemn because they don't like being put in "boxes" or roles. Meanwhile: she doesn't care what some Chad thinks of her, so she has no reservations in using him to satisfy her sexual urges. How do you expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:39 PM
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I never downvoted you. I asked do you date men? Obviously not. Like I said, being friends with them gives me more access to what's going on inside their heads than the women they ghosted, wouldn't you agree? How do you know men that are friends with you wouldn’t change the story because they wouldn’t want their friends to disapprove of their actions or criticize them? Change their story from what? Men don't talk about hookups, dating, and relationships in as much depth amongst ourselves as women…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:44 AM
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My experience as well. The former type doing it more often than the latter is purely as a result of selection bias since they have a huge pool of women that would be into them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 12:33 AM
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According to me, who has been good friends with several of these types of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 12:31 AM
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I never said it never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 12:31 AM
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Even better, I've been friends with these men so I know the inside of their heads better than any of their victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 12:30 AM
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How is that relevant? The men doing the PnD don't even get to that point and don't exactly have low self-esteem either. I've been friends with these men. They're usually not self-awarely scheming and lying to add another notch in their belt. They just treat dating like a candy shop because they can't make up their mind about what candy to take home and eat for the rest of their life so they go around taking advantage of their free sample privileges because they are insanely good looking and char…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 12:29 AM
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Nope. Most men doing the pump and dumps are avoidants. Avoidants aren't liars, they're just fickle. Its funny how women will jerk themselves off at being bloodhounds for inauthenticity (which I believe is true, generally speaking) and then contradict that narrative when they claim the men doing the pumping & dumping were lying the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 05:56 PM
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If guys didn't pretend to be interested in relationships to get sex this would not be an issue. This doesn't happen very often.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 05:35 PM
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Ironic repressed homosexuality has always been hilarious, that's why.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 09:04 AM
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Funniest comment I read over on the 4chan sub that reminded me of this schizo post: Globohomo wants to lower native birthrates by pushing women into college to justify opening the borders and lowering the pool of available women so white men are forced to crossdress and whore out their bussies to other lonely men for attention. It's fucking sick what they're doing to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 08:39 AM
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Yeah, I'm a dude. $2600 is a lot & probably still not as much as this next treatment I'm looking to get. I do ok but I'm not a rich man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 03:17 AM
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Wait are you a man or a woman? Wondering if they price those laser treatments differently depending on sex like they do Brazilians (which I'm getting tomorrow).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 08:59 PM
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How many treatments?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 08:54 PM
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Nope, not what I meant or said. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:26 PM
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Men treating women as disposable and only seeking casual relationships is a direct reaction to men themselves gaining awareness that they themselves are disposable and replaceable. Serious relationships are just seen as too high risk in a world where any woman can immediately hop on OLD and have hundreds of guys flood her inbox with requests for dates. The cynicism is entirely rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:13 PM
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For every relationship that grew out of mutual attraction among friends, there are probably a dozen in which the attraction was only felt by one party (usually the guy).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 11:06 PM
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You mean like this clapback?: Women make great friends. If you don't see it that way, that's a reflection on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 11:18 PM
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Women make great friends. If you don't see it that way, that's a reflection on you. Never said that, check your reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 10:16 PM
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Are you sure you replied to the right comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:15 PM
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The majority of men doing the pumping and dumping aren't liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 07:05 AM
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JFC, is this really how you think most men act in real life when women aren't around?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 06:42 AM
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Her perception is not wrong in that instance. It often is. Men bounce for a variety of reasons. Buddy of mine ghosted the girl he had sex with after a first date because she didn't know how to wipe her ass. I'm sure she told all her friends he was a pig though. Complain all you want. But you can complain without blaming and entire gender for your own damage. K, good thing I never said that or blamed an entire gender. I know for a fact that isn’t true for me, or for a lot of other women. I never …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:44 AM
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Just because your perception is that you’re disposable, replaceable, and only being used for attention/validation does not mean that any of that is true. In the context of dating/relationships, it often is. Just because a woman's perception is that she is disposable, replaceable, and only being used for sex after being pump and dumped does not mean that any of that is true. So many women see men not wanting to commit to them as a reflection of their own self-worth. They think men who want to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:10 AM
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Lack of reciprocity extends beyond the sexual sphere. The question for most guys isn't “Why do it if it won’t get me laid?”, it's “Why do it if I'm disposable, replaceable, and only being used for attention/validation?”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:46 AM
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Unmeetable demand is what causes the supply issue, Hard disagree. Women limiting their interactions with men is a far more multifaceted issue than just men being horny. I'm proposing a new rule and custom. You haven't mentioned it yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:07 AM
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Apparently the vegan community has a gender ratio of like 3:1 women to men. Obviously it's a big lifestyle change most guys wouldn't make but the odds are more in your favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 01:55 AM
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I am surprised you think men can’t? A portion of men can't, yes. Rules are both a deterrent and an indicator of what a society considers to be acceptable. No rules means no deterrent and an understanding that formerly abhorrent behaviors are now acceptable, so you end up with a "tragedy of the commons" scenario: In economic science, the tragedy of the commons is a situation in which individual users, who have open access to a resource unhampered by shared social structures or formal rules that g…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 01:46 AM
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I don't think he's implying a return to a society where women don't have rights or freedom. Just that the absence of any rules or customs is what's causing conflict. Also men don't even have the power to make any rules, so the onus is going to fall on women since they have more collective power.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 12:33 AM
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The problem is most people who can hold assholes culpable are other men. This isn't practical for two reasons: Men sort themselves into groups with similar interests, personalities, and values. In the event ostracization from a particular group does happen, the most likely outcome is that man finding a new group where that behavior is tolerated or seen as acceptable, similar to what you see online with people retreating to echo chambers. And as someone that's trying to find an honest, mutually f…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 11:44 PM
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Nope, I'll simplify that for you since you don't seem to understand: There were once rules for how both women and men were expected to conduct themselves. With these rules came repercussions and social ostracization if any of these rules were broken, for both men and women. Then second and third wave Feminism came along and decided these rules were overly oppressive (which I'll concede many of them were), while ignoring that many of these rules and repercussions severely punished bad behavior of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 11:17 PM
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I would agree with him that many women make shitty friends but not for the same reason and I don't think it's as high as 95%. The reason most women make shitty friends is they don't see men as equal. If you see men as disgusting and degenerate, then that's going to bleed into the friendship and cause problems. Also, the majority of pump-and-dumps aren't done by lying men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 11:03 PM
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So do women have a responsibility to regulate pussy if we have a responsibility to regulate dick? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:54 PM
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yes, abusing people is bad Where did I say it was good? You're so laser focused on spitting out your pre-programmed responses to make yourself look good, you can't even engage with any points or stay on a single topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:52 PM
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if they want women to be under the impression that it's not all men, they do. Who a woman decides to get into a relationship with is none of my fucking business. For decades feminism fought to separate men's power over women's agency and now we have women like you who can't cope with that and complain about the consequences of dating in an environment without rules. You made this bed, now lie in it. no its extremely bad Link 3 overtly misogynistic comments from 3 unique male users. If it's that …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:22 PM
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There is probably some variation, but guys also just don't talk about dating, relationships, gender essentialist theories, and sex in extreme depth amongst ourselves. This is also assuming men would learn from social ostracization. In all likelihood they would just find each other and continue that behavior in their own echo chambers where it is seen as acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:08 PM
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idk how anyone would think otherwise. You seem to by thinking men have a responsibility to warn women of other men. Do you want me to link your comment? I as completely blindsided by men being like the men you see in PPD, saying women are only worth their pussy, its okay to use women for sex and lie to them, etc. First of all, the misogyny coming out of the men that participate on this sub exists but is way overblown. Second, if you think this sub is an accurate sampling of men, touch grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 09:57 PM
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First of all, I never said it wasn't important. Second, I would count mutual support groups under the term "therapist's chair". Reddit is not a mutual support group and neither is PPD. Same goes for untrained people in real life. Don't expect any comfort from a person that a) hasn't received the requisite experience and b) hasn't experienced anything like what you've been through.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 09:47 PM
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women do this? No, not all women. But you did when you implied men should play an active role in preventing women from ending up with bad men. If you have the most to lose in a possible relationship with a man, the lion's share of vetting and character judgment falls on you. consequences are inescapable. Consequences are usually preventable. That's why there exists a plethora of self-help books written by women, for women, to better vet men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 09:39 PM
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I was just thinking myself that it's shocking in my life that I'd say the vast majority of men who hit on me or befriended me fall under these categories, most women don't decide they dislike men, in general, based on one or two bad experiences this is an aggregate of empirical data compiled over our entire lives.... You mean to tell me fuckboys hit on a lot of women and creeps ("nice guys") fake friendships with women to manipulate their way into a relationship? I'm SHOCKED! /s Selection bias s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 09:31 PM
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Nope, women have agency now. And with agency comes the responsibility to make decisions for yourself and dealing with the consequences instead of expecting men to be a safety net. You want to have your gender role cake and eat it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 09:11 PM
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You can empathize with someone and recommend strategies to ensure it doesn't happen again. It just requires, like you said, social skills that you shouldn't expect to find in an online setting due to the online disinhibition effect and negativity bias. There's also a difference between complaining about that creepy guy at the bar who can't pick up that you're not interested and sharing a personal story of abuse. The former is what I am primarily referring to. The latter really isn't appropriate …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 08:57 PM
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But more men complaining means it's more accepted for them to do so. No, that's just because there are more men than women on reddit. And it's not the complaining by itself but the difference in how it's received. When women complain: He was an emotionally immature asshole that can't handle confrontation. When men complain: Sorry, but just comes with the territory. Women will keep doing this because men have a history of not handling rejection well. Also, why would you think you're entitled to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 08:42 PM
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Sure there is. They can reproach it in other men. Friends dont let friends be fuccbois. Consistent so cial sanctions—that's one of the main ways society progresses over time. If we assume that men associate into groups aligned with hobbies, socio-economic status, geography, culture, and upbringing (which are all upstream of personalities, values, and character) then we aren't going to have very many opportunities to do any reproaching now, are we? My male friends are in healthy, happy LTR relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 08:29 PM
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Unless they explicitly said it was only your fault, I don't see what the problem is. The two aren't mutually exclusive. You being a bad judge of character or having inadequate vetting techniques doesn't absolve the other person of any wrongdoing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 08:13 PM
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Just because a lot of men are complaining about a problem doesn't mean anyone will listen, care, or do anything about that problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 07:50 PM
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The unspoken truth about ghosting is only seen as bad when a man does it to a woman. If you're a guy who got ghosted, shut up and take it because the last guy couldn't take no for an answer. You're not entitled to an excuse or explanation (but she is).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 07:18 PM
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A Walk in the Woods by Bill Bryson. One of the funniest, most entertaining books I've read about hiking the Appalachian Trail. He's a travel/history author mainly but a lot of other work is pretty good.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 04:49 PM
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Sometimes you just want to dress up, go out, and have a good time with your friends without worrying about being hit on by strange men, I get it. But with the increasing self-segregation of women into their own spaces, men in the aggregate are going to react by being more cautious and reserved. That's why the women (not you, in particular) that lament this change in men's behavior annoy the hell out of me. You don't get to complain about the side effects of an environment you asked for; either b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 04:30 PM
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whether this is due to a natural ability on women's (or deficit on a man's) parts or that men are more cautious and reserved and will sit and watch a while to make sure they're not picking up the wrong signals I don't know. 95% can be attributed to being cautious and reserved. The average young, well socialized, grass-touching, man is adept enough to recognize the basic signals. It's just most of them either won't receive them or still be cautious because many women enjoy the validation, attenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 03:35 PM
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I can't believe that humanity managed to procreate up until now with guys who think like this. Times change. Cultures change.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 02:53 PM
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Which is why I specifically mentioned immediate chemistry and de-prioritization of such. De-prioritization doesn't mean not taking it into consideration whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 01:47 PM
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If that lifestyle gets old its not about you. The gender-swapped scenario is a woman finding out the guy she is dating still hasn't put a label on the relationship after 3 months but the last woman he dated he asked to be his GF after 3 weeks. Would she be wrong in feeling insecure? After all, it's just not his lifestyle to be asking that soon, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 07:42 AM
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I would like to add that young women in particular have a habit of seeing whether or not there is "instant chemistry" to determine if a guy is worth it. When he says "give guys a chance" it's not only limited to the acceptance of a first date. Sure there could be a baseline level of attraction but if that "mystical spark" isn't there, don't even try. It's such a common thing to hear women in their mid-30s say stuff like "I didn't feel chemistry until the third date and now we're married". The wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 10:10 PM
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Because he's obviously Asian and Asian men are usually ranked low on the male dating totem pole (less so now though).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 09:49 PM
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That's part of it, but it's a symptom of a societal risk-reward analysis. The sexual revolution started in the 70s but monogamous LTRs were still the norm until OLD became widespread.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 04:56 PM
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No, not all, but a large enough amount to negatively impact perceptions. Why do you think this is?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 03:23 PM
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Now we're getting into the territory of whether or not the two of you had a history of exchanging pics, or have had sex. In which case, the discussion and reaction is a bit different than receiving one from a complete stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 03:16 PM
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Complete strangers who send unsolicited dick pics have an exhibitionist fetish and that is a hill I will die on. It is a small percentage of men doing it to a lot of women and they don't care if the reaction is negative or positive, just that they get a reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 03:05 PM
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So you mean just for ages 5-10? For how long? Until 5th or 6th grade. And kids with mental disabilities learn differently too. In an ideal world, they would have their own curriculums too. But integrated classrooms have shown they're better for kids and society Going to need a source on this one (I'm sure its highly dependent on the type of mental disability) but as someone that's been in a classroom that tried to integrate teens with moderate to severe mental disabilities, hard disagree. Classr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:10 PM
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Because there is clear sexual dimorphism in brain development and how boy and girls learn well. It's not about eliminating children who struggle because those will always exist due to rough homes, it's about optimizing the learning environment of the classroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 12:51 PM
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Well, that explains it. Pretty much all our public schools here are integrated and teachers unions lobby hard against charter schools (which do often have IQ entrance tests and are often gender segregated) from becoming a thing in middle and lower income areas where they are most needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:24 AM
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Are you American?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:20 AM
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Charter school or just a regular old private school?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:57 AM
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I really do think the main problem is just the classroom environment and curriculum just isn't well suited for boys, but I'll concede biased women teachers have something to do with it too. In an ideal world boys and girls would have different curriculums but that would require politicians and teachers' unions to acknowledge some degree of sexual dimorphism related to how boys learn vs girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:45 AM
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I have no idea what you're referring to. He's probably referring to wealth and consumer spending. - Women make up more than half of the U.S. population, and control or influencer 85% of consumer spending . - The purchasing power of women in the U.S. ranges from $5 trillion to $15 trillion annually. - Women control more than 60% of all personal wealth in the U.S. - Women purchase over 50% of traditional male products, including automobiles, home improvement products, and consumer electronics. - A…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:05 AM
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Double edged sword. There's something to be said of cultures and structures making divorce difficult that "forces" couples to work through hard but fixable issues they would otherwise just leave each other for (Obviously, I'm not talking about things like abuse or infidelity).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 04:49 PM
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It's called a motte-and-bailey fallacy: push some weird supremacist radical views, then when called out on it, retreat to the safer egalitarian position, claiming you're just about achieving equality. You see this tactic used a lot across a ton of radical, left-wing movements.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 04:14 AM
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No. The most problematic elements of today's modern iteration of feminism is its non-egalitarian/radical beliefs. You can't play the egalitarian "gotcha" game with them (the radicals, that is, not the liberal/egalitarian feminists. There are a million and one different feminist sects and a lot of them hate each other). The double standards are a feature, not a bug.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 03:56 AM
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Not really because your original comment was too myopic to add anything of value.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 03:45 AM
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In psychology, there is this concept referred to as "honest signals". Honest signals are basically any quality a man can demonstrates that would make him desirable to a woman. They include, but are not limited to: Leadership qualities Wit/intelligence Character/morals Social and emotional awareness/intelligence Humor Resources (money), and last but certainly not least, Looks If we can acknowledge this, then we have to ask the following two questions: What are the predominant mediums through whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 03:05 AM
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Would you disagree with the phrase "Don't marry potential"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 12:46 AM
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They do that. No, most of the time, they don't. Either because coaching the guy is a mood killer or they don't even know how to get themselves off. Both of these are extremely common in inexperienced/younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 03:48 PM
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I disagree and don't think you're qualified to make that statement on behalf of guys that are more likely to be on the receiving end of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 09:30 PM
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Neither do I, but it doesn't have to happen much to have a macro effect on a demographic's perceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 09:20 PM
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Probably never, no. I just don't like people who broadcast their baggage over social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 08:44 PM
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So is it any wonder why more men are turning to OLD for hookups considering: A) any rejection received by an online stranger is unlikely to have any affect on his reputation within his social group and B) a rejected request for a hookup is less likely to be broadcast since it makes her look like that's all she's worth ?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 08:43 PM
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Q4W: Do you also view it as trashy/unethical when other women broadcast their rejections of men on social media (assuming he wasn't creepy or threatening)?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 08:30 PM
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Debating with a stranger who is a possible date? Weird. Based off the implied context of you writing this: Stop being lazy and get to know her. You will find out what she brings to the table. it seemed like you were giving advice in the context of a guy going on dates and finding out if he is compatible with the woman. But any man asking that question on here doesn't have any real investment in what any anonymous individual woman on PPD "brings to the table". It's just a question disguised as sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 12:07 AM
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On mobile, so I can’t quote you back. But there are many more ways to ask those questions without being rude. Honestly, I have never seen a man be happy with any woman’s answer to “what do you bring to the table” - imo, if a man explicitly asks that, just leave. Stop being lazy and get to know her. You will find out what she brings to the table. There's a difference between those questions being asked in an online debate forum vs a first date but yes, I would agree, never ask a woman “what do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 11:52 PM
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if you think sex is all a women has to offer then that’s all you see her as. Hard disagree, which I will explain by responding to your next statement: Cassie has more to her character it’s just that no one cares to get to know her EXACTLY. The reason why Cassie is a complex character is because she seems like a dumb hot blonde but there is a lot of depth to her. She is the way that she is for a lot of reasons that weren't her fault. She didn't ask to get a lot of unwanted creepy attention from m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 11:38 PM
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There exist translations/interpretations for all three of your statements. How charitably you want to interpret these is entirely up to you. I would never phrase any of those that callously but here is what they could mean: “what do women have to offer other than their kitty” Translation: There are a lot of women who's only ability to connect/interact with men is through sex and using their sex appeal (see Cassie Howard in Euphoria). It's saying men need more than just sex to be able to have a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 09:57 PM
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For the women on this sub who keep saying meetups.com is a good place to meet women, here are the top 8 results (I live in one of the largest cities in the US): Introduction to Witchcraft Crypto/NFT meetup Women only brunch Women only bookclub Seniors only brunch Men only cycling club Women only hiking/exercise club Hiking event (57 attendees, only 2 of which appear to be women)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 09:34 PM
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They are microcosms/symptoms of the wider problems of distrust and animosity between the genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 06:23 PM
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It's not just age. My male best friend has been single for the past 10 years (16 to 26) for a grand total of 9 months across 5 girlfriends. If women can exist on a demisexual spectrum, why can't men? Serial monogamous men exist, you're just not likely to see them because they're already in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 06:02 PM
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OnLine Dating
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 01:33 AM
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Real-life experience is the best medicine. I honestly do have sympathy and empathy for both genders' dating struggles, as long as they are honestly seeking with the right intentions, don't blame everybody else for their lack of success, and don't inherently view the genders as being in competition with each other. I remember a vent post on a dating sub a while back about a woman who admitted she needed to quit OLD because she realized it was negatively affecting her perceptions of men. And hones…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 07:51 PM
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You never answered my question: What's the difference between the two hypothetical comments? At least one of us isn't chickenshit enough to back out of this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:00 AM
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Either you're trying to pivot in an attempt to evade, or you don't understand what my criticism is. I have no problem with generalizations if framed politely and with a tone that implies a seeking of good faith discourse. See if you can spot the difference in tone between the following two hypothetical comments: It's reasonable for women to want a confident man because it is upstream of a lot of other qualities women find desirable for their biological imperative for child-rearing, such as acces…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 02:32 AM
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Blackpill/incel content is present but rare. Redpill stuff has always had a PR/marketing problem. A lot of people agree with many of the descriptive realities TRP and it's related communities make; where it gets weird/misogynistic is the prescriptions and conclusions they draw from their observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:58 AM
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More like: I speak about them in generalities the way they speak about women in generalities, and they don’t like it. Two wrongs make a right then, got it. At least you're admitting you're guilty of what you accuse the men who post here of. Just remember that the next time you complain about the quality of discourse, know that you are a hypocrite and are part of the the problem. Also hilarious that you don't see the irony that your entire comment is a generalization. Who is "they"? Oh right, its…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:55 AM
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I didn't say it was. I'm just explaining the rationale.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 10:22 PM
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OLD and real life are two completely different sample sets.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 09:25 PM
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Men become conservative for a variety of reasons; I would take anything coming out of the humanities/social sciences with a huge grain of salt (reproducibility problem). That being said, the reasoning behind fiscal conservatism is nothing more than a tit-for-tat backlash against what third wave feminism preaches: If men aren't entitled to sex then women aren't entitled to (men's) money being forcefully redistributed to pay for women's mistakes. That's not what I believe but that is the rationale…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:47 PM
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Most of the time the motives are just assumed (with no input if the accused) to protect ego. See pump-and-dumps: "He was a manipulative PUA liar that love-bombed me and ghosted after we had sex! He knew what he was doing the whole time!" No, he just has an avoidant attachment style and was never lying. Lying requires malicious intent at the time the statement was made. Avoidants are fickle, not fake. Or, he thought you were horrible in bed and didn't like the way you looked naked (can't bring th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 05:12 PM
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It would most likely fall under the "interstate commerce" clause in our Constitution (Article I, Section 8). The state (most likely Missouri, since this is what they are trying to do) would most likely prosecute and the Federal Court will likely side with the defendant because interstate commerce is always left up to the federal government. States don't get to make and enforce laws on what happens in other states.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 04:58 PM
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Like I said, a man has agency only over himself. He has little to no effect on the men around him. As much as many women want their issues to be perceived as entirely systemic, they are most certainly not. There is always going to be a subset of damaged men that wreak havoc on womens perceptions of men, and the fact that these men have abusive tendencies is more likely the result of growing up in a fucked up home than it is the patriarchy. So can we put to rest this utopian vision of men "coming…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 05:20 PM
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Okay, then men shouldn't blame women when they don't get dates and when women avoid them publicly because women don't owe you to assume you're the good one. Your terms are acceptable. accept that they have to work to prove they're not just shit Done. And isn't this already where we are at? I honestly understand the various reasons women are more cautious and you can go through pages of my post history and not find a single instance of me complaining about women's vetting strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 03:29 PM
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Men should do more to police men and demand other man be good partners instead of screaming "I'm the good one, I'm the good one" Police men? Yeah, that's not even practical let alone possible. A man's shitty behavior is his own responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 03:22 PM
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You underestimate how pessimistic many women are, especially here. That light at the end of the tunnel is actually a freight train.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 03:17 PM
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What does?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:31 AM
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I'm not even mad, it's just hilarious that TwoX is trying to stick it to the conservatives by refusing to have premarital sex. I'm sure those prudes will be furious you're abstaining from sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 12:38 AM
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You're jumping to a pretty extreme example there. Obviously, no sane person would shame a woman making $80k/year who wants children into dating a a video game addict making minimum wage. A career woman would rarely even end up with that type of guy in the first place. The issue is more that the vast majority of married childless households are dual-income, middle class (honestly its middle class because of the dual income), and most of these households aren't in a financially stable enough situa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 01:15 AM
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How is an obligation different from an entitlement? I don’t take LTRs seriously for a reason. You will never have the same benefits as a married couple so I disagree. If you want married benefits go to the court house. Legally sure, but that's why I compared the similarity of the purely romantic, socially implied obligations of LTRs and marriages, which is what this thread was originally about. Does your partner have an obligation to maintain the intimacy/and sexual aspects of your relationship,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 09:29 PM
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Rape apologist? Withdraw of affection after rebuffed initiation? Care to elaborate more on this conversation. I have to go pretty far back in my post history but the context was the classic "high libido man getting upset that his low libido woman SO didn't want to have sex" and the subsequent cold shoulder he would give her. The person I was arguing with claimed that this introduced a "coercive element" to their sexual aspect of their relationship, and was therefore rape. My refusal to call what…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 08:51 PM
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If you're willing to apply that principle equally and in all directions to both genders then I don't have a problem. Last time I had a conversation like this I got accused of being a rape apologist because I argued that withdrawal of affection after rebuffed intiation of sex does not constitute rape. I guess people have a hard time drawing lines between what is considered entitlement vs what is shitty behavior, and if you don't caveat properly, people are going to assume you're coming in with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 05:15 PM
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Then there's no such thing as weaponizing affection or finances either. If I withhold affection from my spouse because she's not doing something I want her to do (could even be something non-sexual), it's non-manipulative because she isn't entitled to the fruits of my emotional energy, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 03:22 PM
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I think the problem you have is that their scale only applies to facial aesthetics, strictly adheres to a classic bell curve distribution, and only takes into account Western and East Asian facial beauty standards. So yeah, if some people don't know that going into it, they might have their egos bruised. When I submitted my pics on a throwaway account, I got rated between a 4.8 - 5.4 because I have a slightly round, less almond eye shape and a slight negative cantal tilt (1/2 degree). Raters ref…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 02:04 PM
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I mean once you drop below a certain level of unattractiveness, physical beauty (or lack thereof) for both genders kinda stops having an effect and a bunch of other factors determine the quality of your life. I think it's really impossible to quantify below a certain attractiveness level who has it worse. True, men are judged more holistically but women also have access to support groups, closer and more fulfilling friendships, and more safety nets. I know it's not the answer you want but I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 04:11 AM
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surely "irreconcilable differences" cause 100% of divorces don't they? IANAL, but in most cases "irreconcilable differences" is just the catch-all legal term for dissolving a marriage contract that doesn't qualify as an annulment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 06:43 PM
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The difference with police officers and fire fighters is that as a society we couldn't function without them. Same with the armed forces. It's a necessary evil. I don't think we would have the same tolerance for other jobs. The problem is we're mixing psychological and physical risk into the same discussion (I'll concede it was my mistake for including firefighters and police officers as an example, I guess). Obviously physical risk involves hard data that an insurance actuary can actually sift …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 05:16 PM
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How did I invalidate them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 05:06 PM
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People believe you shouldn't be able to consent to the psychological damage caused by sex work. That's assuming psychological damage will always be present. You don't consent to the damage, you consent to the "risk of damage". It's the same concept with other jobs which have inherent risk too, like police officers and firefighters. If you want to make the statement that people need to be better informed about the risks, then that's different. I don't know if 18 VS 21 makes much of a difference T…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 04:56 PM
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A few reasons: Simps artificially inflating social media presence. Not all women will exploit this, however. Women are more welcomed at social gatherings and among strangers. This mainly has to do with the "sisterhood" effect/in-group bias women have with each other. Women have a tendency to be naturally suspicious of men, for obvious reasons. On the other side of the coin, something you will almost never hear a man on here admit to is that we (men) will gatekeep the fuck out of groups/social fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 04:47 PM
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I feel like raising the legal age for sex work from 18 to 21 would alleviate most (but not all) of the criticism involving exploitation people seem to have with it. It is kinda odd we determined at 18 you're not mentally responsible enough to buy alcohol but you are mentally responsible enough to put naked pictures of yourself on the internet forever which will inevitably and permanently affect future career prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 04:30 PM
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Mental illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:20 PM
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Half the time when men post their dating profiles for people to review saying they don't get any matches, it's pretty clear the issue is their face. It's actually kinda sad watching people give them vapid advice on photo lighting or style when it's pretty clear the issue is a severely recessed chin or lack of facial harmony. People get offended but there is a large degree of objectivity in determining facial beauty. A lot of it is stuff you can't or is really expensive to fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 05:20 AM
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Idk man. If you're comfortable with it, dm me some pics and I can do an aesthetic review.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 07:02 PM
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I'm in the same boat as you. The good news is that it's fixable. Work on building up your shoulders, chest, triceps, biceps, & upper back. Lower body fat % should also help to get rid of some facial subcutaneous fat and make your jaw and cheekbones look more defined and masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 05:56 PM
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Jesus... imagine how many abortions could've been prevented if that money went towards comprehensive sex ed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 03:29 AM
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I used to think like this and then I realized most people I thought were simple minded just have other life priorities. For example, I'd venture to say most parents of young kids probably don't have the time to be having many deep intellectually stimulating conversations. It's not that they don't enjoy being stimulated, it's that they are selflessly choosing to spend a lot of their finite mental energy on raising their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 07:13 PM
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If you aren’t given the full information what are you expected to believe? The fact you can't even entertain the possibility there could be other reasons a guy would leave after sex is very telling. Any half decent person would at least explain why they are pumping and dumping Agree, but men are demonized far more than women when they ghost after sex. Also you are on Reddit, there are endless posts about how to have sex with the maximum number of women possible. How to trick well meaning women i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 05:36 PM
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Attainability and approachability (girl-next-door trope) is a huge factor in men's attraction and I absolutely believe there's a point of diminishing returns on male attention to women's attractiveness. On the topic of having a "dejected attitude", men's newfound hyper-fixation on our own physical attractiveness relative to women's has a lot to do with the current environment surrounding OLD and social media. In dating, there exists this theory oriented around honest signals. Essentially they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 04:22 PM
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Your comment needs to be broken up and applied to two different scenarios: As I said in various comments, I have NO ISSUE with people changing their mind. ...assuming you have full and complete information and could magically tell what their true intentions are. I believe you, but you need to have this caveat. The issue is I don’t believe that’s usually the cause of a pump and dump relationship. In other words, when you don't have full and complete information, you'd rather assume the guy was ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 02:29 PM
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I'm not sure you understand how these scenarios work in real life, so let me slow down a bit. TRP (although I am not a subscriber) has a strategy it uses to temper men's expectations about dating and relationships: Whenever a woman is telling you something, add "I feel" to the beginning of the statement, and "right now" to the end. For example: "(I feel) That was the best sex I ever had (right now)" Said to me by my (at the time) GF, 3 weeks before bragging about how her ex was the best she ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 01:56 PM
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Can you read minds? Do you know for a fact that every post first-sex break off or ghost is another manipulative PUA adding a notch in his belt? There are plenty of different legitimate, non-manipulative reasons a guy would want to leave after sex. Women choose to go with the narrative that the guy was a manipulator because it's a more mentally comforting thought than worrying about the infinite number of reasons he actually did leave. I'm sorry, but if a woman can leave because a guy has a small…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 07:19 AM
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Because it's a non-sequitur. You keep getting hung up on whether I think or said a job is easy or hard when that was never the disagreement from the beginning. Stop trying to deflect because you know you made a mistake. It's so obvious and you're just making it worse for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 04:31 AM
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Not all restaurant jobs are equal since you think it was easy work. When did I say it was easy work? I said it was easier. We're comparing relative difficulty, remember? Again, you get an F for reading comprehension. Go work at one where you lift 60+lb trays all night. Before I was a waiter I worked exclusively as a food runner where that's all I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 04:15 AM
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Dude, read your own study. 68% of women aged 18-29 are "partnered", which the study states means married, cohabitating with a partner, or in a committed relationship. Women in FWB/situationships still count as single. So yes, that disparity is mostly explained by women dating older, because the only other explanation is men juggling multiple marriages and relationships. It happens but it's not that common.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 04:11 AM
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Saying you must have had an easy time is not the same as saying those jobs are easy. I shouldn't need to explain this to you since you were the one who fired the first shot by saying we must've had easy restaurant jobs. Work on that reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 04:03 AM
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Did I say it was?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 03:55 AM
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The disparity is almost entirely explained by the fact that women date up in age. I.e. there are a lots of late 20s women (first age bracket) in relationships with early 30s men (next age bracket) in the study you're referencing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 03:38 AM
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You must've worked some pretty easy manual labor jobs. I'm sorry, but your lived experience is worth as much as my lived experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 03:28 AM
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For the last time... A dude leaving you after having sex and after having expressed intent on wanting a relationship is not necessarily you being tricked. People are allowed to change their minds. People also don't owe each other explanations. It's amazing how women will get a pass on the "sexual incompatability" excuse and men don't in many of these situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 03:03 AM
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I've worked both types of jobs too. Working in a restaurant is way easier than jobs that require hard manual labor. By a huge margin.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 02:51 AM
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He also talks to the point most men don’t make it in life until 40 or 50, until they can harness their sexual energy into purpose. That's an interesting way to frame lowering T levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 02:47 AM
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I'll let you other guys in on a little secret. Girls care a lot more about your body and your face than they do your sexual ability. Does it matter? Absolutely. But a hot guy who's tall with a great face but is average in bed is going to do 1000x better than a short fat guy who looks like quasimodo but is Ron Jeremy.. both in terms of getting women and keeping women. I'm kicking myself for not saving that study reporting a strong direct correlation between women's orgasm rate and the level of ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:41 AM
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I'll just quote you since you have the memory and intellectual capacity of a goldfish: The positive associations people have with women. An emotional bias toward women over men. People, the object, are the ones doing the bias to women, the subject. Do you understand the difference between subject and object or do I need to dumb it down even more for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:50 AM
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I don’t really cared who coined it. Maybe you should care about the origin of terms when debating them if you don't want to look like an idiot. You yourself said it was bias. Do biases apply to all things?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:37 AM
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I always thought it was coined by a couple of researchers by the names of Alice Eagly and Antonio Mladinic in a 1994 paper, but I only know how to Google things so take it with a grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:16 AM
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Where did the term come from then?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:10 AM
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So the women-are-wonderful effect does exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 02:48 AM
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Does a bias-effect in sociology mean it will present itself in all individuals, 100% of the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 02:18 AM
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Do you think the women-are-wonderful effect is exhibited in everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 02:06 AM
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Do all men hurt women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 02:01 AM
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You still haven't defined what the women-are-wonderful effect is. Define the women-are-wonderful effect please.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 01:50 AM
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You'd be doing all of us here a favor. Now please, kindly if you can, explain your position about why sexual harassment negates the women-are-wonderful effect. Let's start by you actually defining what you think the women-are-wonderful effect is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 01:41 AM
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Want to acknowledge your mistake, or no? Sexual harassment negates the existence of women are wonderful Explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 01:30 AM
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You used the women are wonderful cliche. I did? Where? Can we not read usernames? If we were wonderful men would never dare harass us That's not what the women-are-wonderful effect means.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 01:25 AM
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There’s no benefit to sexual harassment. Sorry try again. Where did he say this? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 01:18 AM
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You are right though, better to play video games, watch porn, and complain about women on Reddit. Cause that's where the chicks are! Yeah... that's exactly what I meant. Lol what an idiot
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 02:10 PM
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I heard Meetup is a total sausage fest.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 04:37 AM
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Only ones I kinda disagree with are coffee shop and class. Coffee shop since they're usually busy/studying; for a class, it better be at the end of it because if she says no, well then its kinda awkward. The subtext of the question is really, "What scenario/situation optimizes my chances of successfully asking out a girl?" A club, for example, is certainly appropriate, but not very optimal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 04:25 AM
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Neither are very good for learning. If he wants to learn how to swim, he can throw himself in the deep-end and learn how to bartend.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 10:13 PM
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Well, grew up poor and can confirm the idea of going back there fills me with terror. Yep, if you've ever seen Big Little Lies, you know what I mean. Probably just a matter of perspective. Women who grew up around money certainly care about it to an extent, but the thought of going down to MC or even UMC doesn’t seem to bug them as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 08:53 PM
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I grew up UMC around LA and most of the girls I grew up with care surprisingly little about money. Most are dating middle management guys making $70k/year and tradesmen. My pet theory is that women who grew up poor and then became rich, either through marriage or merit, care the most about money. It's like the thought of going backwards socio-economically scares the shit out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 08:33 PM
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Because if it's just about learning how to be comfortable with women, there's cheaper ways to do that then hiring an escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 07:33 PM
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If she's ugly, I take them off. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 07:22 PM
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That's the problem, isn't it though? You're not going to get an accurate read off of someone that's getting paid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 07:21 PM
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I mean, if the point is to simulate a date, an escort wouldn't work well either. There really is no way to replicate that first date energy and dynamic if she is in no way attracted to you. Better off flushing money down the toilet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 06:37 PM
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Chemistry is SUPER important. But you have a responsibility to not let it control your rational decision making and also to figure out what type of chemistry you have a tendency to feel (and be addicted to) based on your past experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 11:56 PM
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Notice, I said "de-prioritization" of chemistry, not throwing it out as a factor entirely. As in, don't write someone off entirely if there's no spark on the first date. If there aren't any glaring red flags, go on a few more dates and see if any feelings come up. Women should be calling it off if there is no chemistry on the third or fourth date. What older women have been trying to tell younger women is that when you put something like chemistry first, you're allowing your decision-making proc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 09:10 PM
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Relationships don't really apply here because it implies monogamous commitment and we're talking about a stage where commitment hasn't yet been established. And for situationships... let's be honest here: the only reason women get into them is because like another commenter mentioned above, they are screening for chemistry first and relationship quality later. The de-prioritization of chemistry below relationship quality is one of the most common preference changes women go through as they enter…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 08:47 PM
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The thing is as guys you won’t know, but you have to be intuitive enough TO know. Even the most socially aware men with above average emotional intelligence are operating with incomplete information so the fact you are you expecting men to decipher very often misleading clues by framing it as "intuition" is shitty. This is just mindless shifting of responsibility off to the guy that if he gets played it's "Oh well, guess you weren't intuitive enough". Such a trash take.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 08:30 AM
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Date and fuck one person at a time. Break things off when you know things aren't worth continuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 08:21 AM
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No, dating does not mean "in a relationship". Hence the entire discussion on multi-dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 08:15 AM
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Another former OF model showed up here in the comments and confirmed that was her experience as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 08:50 PM
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A few questions: How did being an OF model change your perception of men? Were you conscious to the changes (both of men and your fatigue) as they were happening, or was it more an instantaneous revelation? Do you think snapping out of it and having a course correction at a certain point like you had is a common or uncommon phenomenon for OF models?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 10:46 PM
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Oh, of course women have agency and responsibility. It's like any drug addiction, really. The addict bears a large degree of responsibility for getting themselves addicted in the first place as well as putting themselves in situations where relapse is highly likely. Expecting women to take responsibility to prevent themselves from falling into the trap is not mutually exclusive from empathizing to some degree after a woman has gotten stuck in that trap.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 10:37 PM
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They aren't and shouldn't be. Men need to do a better job of reigning in their demand (thirst).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 07:40 PM
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The increasing percentage of women that view and treat sex and sexuality as transactional is a significant driving factor in women's distrust and repulsion of men. Women are tempted to obtain easy validation, but will end up hating the source of said validation (male sexual desire writ large) due to the manner in which they see it administered and applied. In other words, a selection bias fueled by social media and paid porn sites like OnlyFans. In extreme cases this results in radical essential…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 07:04 PM
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Couldn't have said it better myself. This has been my experience as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 05:01 PM
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You believe that if a guy is attractive enough woman will have sex. No, never said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 01:49 PM
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It also seems that prettier women are more often in LTRs or entirely single. I’m not sure why, though. My less pretty friends have less stable relationships whilst my naturally prettier friends are all in LTRs except for one who has been single and celibate for 5 years (religious reasons). I think it's more so that beautiful people in general just have more options to pick from, so they are less likely to end up compromising on their standards for partners, leading to very little or no resentmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 01:44 PM
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Of course men lie, but that quote is in response to what you wrote: Gaslighting, as in, saying and doing things that a reasonable person would assume are synonymous with a relationship Saying and doing things "synonymous with a relationship" does not imply a clear verbal indication that he wants a relationship. Women have a responsibility to unambiguously ask if he hasn't already expressed his interest. And even then, there are perfectly legitimate reasons for any person, man or woman, to bounce…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 02:40 AM
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It's not even inherently shitty. This entire complaint can be solved by having an adult conversation about boundaries and expectations. And if a guy is giving you vague answers to questions about where he sees the relationship going, that itself should tell you how much he is invested. For as much as women like to pat themselves on the back for having superior emotional intelligence, it goes right out the window when they are desperately trying to ignore a continuous stream of yellow and red fla…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 09:42 PM
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I would not agree. It’s up to the other person to start that convo when a boundary change is apparent to them. Again not manipulative if the man in the example plays along without saying anything. So then it's also not manipulative if a woman is being romantically led on in a FWB, because it's up to her to have that conversation when the boundary change is apparent to her. If you have a gendered double standard for why it is OK for women to change boundaries without a conversation but not men, j…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 08:31 PM
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If a discussion isn't had about the boundary change, then you would agree its insincere, right? which was the original premise of women being able to dangle sex (not manipulation). No, no, no 🤦‍♂️ That statement was never claimed. Women simply being able to dangle sex in front of platonic male friends is not inherently manipulative. We both agree on this. Women who decide to start actively dangling sex (and romance) to their platonic male friends without coming to a clear agreement about said bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 07:54 PM
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However manipulation occurs when the person suggesting the boundary change isn’t sincere. If it’s sincere a conversation should be had. So then manipulation can occur in platonic male-female friendships, since you admitted in an earlier comment that insincerity and boundary crossing can occur in platonic friendships. Straighter men view being gay as an insult so the possibility of developing feelings for a man hits them where it hurts 100% wrong. A man's opinion on homosexuality has zero to do w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 07:25 PM
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The boundary is being changed when anything sexual or romantic is brought up in a platonic friendship. And the boundary is also being changed when anything romantic is brought up in a FWB situation (which we've already established is strictly for sex and companionship). Full stop. So if the boundary changes are so obvious, women should stop complaining about being led on in FWB situations. Yes (to both) they can develop but acting on them is a choice. TIL straight men can choose to become gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 06:29 PM
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The debate isn't over whether women always have more power in platonic friendships with men, it's whether or not the power dynamic even can exist, which quiturbitchin is trying to argue does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 06:19 PM
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If a woman comes to you and says “I want to change this boundary” and you don’t want to you can just get up and leave. Is this really how you think this situation plays out in real life or are you being intentionally daft? Woman: I am henceforth announcing my intention to break the boundaries of this strictly platonic friendship so that I may secure more of your time, commitment, and emotional energy, without actually giving you any of the benefits of a romantic and sexual relationship. Man: Ah …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 05:55 PM
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If you guys want a perfect example of attempted rationalization of a gendered double standard on this sub, here you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 05:41 PM
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A woman cannot do anything sexually to you without your permission/consent. Men can't be raped by women, got it. Doesn’t matter the attraction it can always be ignored. Then women who feel they've been led on in situationships deserve no sympathy because they can always ignore their romantic attraction. Yes it’s a choice but if the man in that scenario is insincere then it’s manipulation because the woman doesn’t have full information. So if the woman in a formerly established platonic friendshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 05:38 PM
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It’s only manipulative if the intentions are faulty. Asking to change the boundaries isn’t inherently manipulative unless you’re doing it to fuck with the other person and are not sincere of the boundary change. You don't think faulty intentions and insincerity can start to happen in male-female friendships that started off being "strictly platonic"? That the woman might cross boundaries to leverage higher quality companionship? Attraction can be ignored. Acting on attraction is a choice But we …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:47 PM
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No FWBs have a friendship component (that’s in the title of the relationship). In this breakdown and for the sake of simplicity, friendship and companionship are synonymous. (E.g. wedding speeches often involve one spouse claiming the SO is "their best friend", implying a close companionship). Which is why I said the moment anything sexual is brought up in a platonic friendship that you leave as the boundaries of that relationship have been violated. If you choose to stay that’s on you but there…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:08 PM
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Yes, FWB are almost always purely sexual, in that they are not started with the intention of going in the romantic direction. You're getting so hung up on what you think meaning of FWB is in an attempt to ignore and obfuscate the point of contention here, which is implied boundaries and rules. So let's attempt to reset the discussion: Human interactions and relationships of all types are defined by the weight put on (and boundaries drawn) on a 3-way spectrum: companionship-sex-romance. To examin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:37 PM
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First, its called a hypothetical example. Second, people get into mutually agreed upon strictly sexual situationships all the time. You're welcome to ask the rest of PPD about the reality and frequency of strictly sexual arrangements but I'm not holding my breath because we both know I'm right on this. Sorry you didn't get the memo. You really don't want to bite the bullet on this, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:35 AM
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Which is why I specifically designated the situationship and its boundaries as strictly sexual in my comparison. Again, work on that reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:22 AM
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Wrong, it's called an analogous comparison. Completely relevant in a debate but you don't want to engage with the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:07 AM
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Again we are talking about the murky waters of situationships. No, I specifically mentioned strictly sexual arrangements (as in, agreed upon to be strictly sexual at the beginning) just like you said strictly platonic friendships. Better work on that reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:04 AM
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"If the chance of having a romantic relationship is even hinted at in a strictly sexual arrangement, that is when to get the fuck out. The basis for the strictly sexual arrangement has been bastardized so the arrangement is over. Manipulation using the potential of a romantic relationship can never happen in strictly sexual arrangement. Strictly sexual situationships are simply totally devoid of romantic feelings so by that definition romantic manipulation is not possible."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 02:49 AM
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Nah, according to your own reasoning, if strictly platonic friendships can't be manipulative, then neither can strictly sexual situationships. Analogous comparisons are perfectly relevant in debates, you just don't want to engage with the point and instead scream "whataboutism", because you know you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 02:28 AM
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Cool, so women in situationships can never be manipulated, got it. Next time I get a FWB, I'm just going to drop subtle hints that I view her as more than just a FWB just to try to get her attached for shits and giggles. Totally fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 02:08 AM
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The assumption in platonic friendship is no sex at all. Right, because people never lie or change after a platonic friendship has started. If there is even a whiff of that changing it should be immediately addressed. Right, because manipulated people are always in the right state of mind to realize what is happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:52 AM
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Can you not get the concept that it's not just about sex and intentions are never made clear in these situations?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:38 AM
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If a woman's partner is being abusive, she has the choice whether or not to leave. It's an easy decision for her to walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:13 AM
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If a woman was in a stable relationship, it would end the stable relationship if their partner decided to toxic and manipulative, because the woman doesn't want to be in a relationship with a toxic and manipulative person. Therefore, women should never complain about being in a toxic and manipulative relationship, because they will always know what their feelings are, when to leave, and that the person taking advantage of them is actually bad for them. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 12:45 AM
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Right, because the only way women manipulate is by actually wanting to fuck, not dangling the possibility of it in front of men like a carrot on a stick. Thanks for reminding me women people are always transparent and honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 09:04 PM
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Right, because women always declare openly when the terms of the friendship change, are never manipulative, and never hide their intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 08:06 PM
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Cool, so then women can stop complaining about being manipulated by men because it's within their power to resist. A man only has power over a woman if she chooses to give him that power, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 04:05 PM
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How do you even control other students asking questions about that? "Ask your parents." Moving on... It also opens teachers up for legal repercussions should a parent discover that a conversation about the gays was had between students. Wrong, it specifically mentions classroom curriculums, not side conversations between students. Not sure how you came to this conclusion. That bill will also require schools to TELL parents if their child at any age receives mental or emotional assistance from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 02:07 AM
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You're intentionally obfuscating. If one party has more power when the terms of the friendship change to no longer being platonic, it's absolutely relevant to the topic. That's a risk that has to be taken into account, and its very clear you're trying to redefine the scenario to where both individuals are good faith actors that are honest about their intentions, feelings, and motivations 100% of the time when that is almost never the case. This would be like if we were having a conversation abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 12:13 AM
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YES, even in platonic friendships this happens. They don't always stay platonic; that is the risk I'm trying to make you understand. It's not like these type of women broadcast their manipulative tendencies in the open so men will stay away from them. It is always done with some degree of plausible deniability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 11:51 PM
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All women know from a relatively early age that they can use their sexuality to exercise power over men, because men want sex more. That doesn't mean all will do it, but the temptation is always there. Even when the guy doesn't want her (at first), she may still be tempted to weaponize her sexuality to get the man to do something she wants. Best case scenario is the guy realizes she's trying to use him and exits stage left. Worst case is he starts reading into the deliberately vague and false si…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 10:51 PM
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There is a power dynamic and I feel I am better qualified as a man to make that claim considering my experience with platonic friendships with women, the majority of which have been positive for me. Just because there is a power dynamic doesn't mean it will be exploited. You're welcome to pose this same question in a Q4M and I guarantee the majority would agree with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:42 PM
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Even when you exclude simps that trick women into being friends for a chance at sex/relationships and only include straight men in strictly platonic friendships with straight women, there is still a power dynamic that can be exploited by the woman at the expense of the man. The supposed benefits of women's capacity for emotionally close platonic friendships is overrated when taking into account the risks men inherit when engaging in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:12 PM
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you can’t expect women to change how they approach friendship just because you’re male JFC, you're such a bad faith commenter on this sub. No one is saying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:09 PM
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Apples and oranges. You can't really compare women's friendships with each other to a straight man-straight woman platonic friendship. There can be a very peculiar power dynamic at play with the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 04:46 PM
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Sure it was. I thought you weren't here to debate its existence 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 03:41 AM
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go ahead and not believe me? Ok, I won't. The fact you even admitted you only saw it in the title of an article is enough for me 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 03:27 AM
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You made the claim. Models is the title of his book and that doesn't seem like something he would say. Did you form an opinion on him based only on a title you saw?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 03:12 AM
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Can you post it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 03:08 AM
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(ex: writes about “only dating models” which is a gross mindset I want to stay far away from) Where has he said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 02:56 AM
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except that the way dating coaches say to do this is always (that i have seen, feel free to link to a coach who doesn't) to coerce someone. Mark Manson is a non-RP coach that has, IMO, a more ethical approach to attraction and dating. It basically revolves around what he calls polarizing. His advice can be summarized as: Polarization is what occurs when you express your truth and make yourself vulnerable. When you tell a woman she is beautiful, you are polarizing her. When you tease her about he…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 10:56 PM
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Most of them are grifters trying to separate lonely depressed men from their money and almost everybody knows it at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 10:29 PM
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Men who use RP dating coaches aren't getting laid. There's not really much of a conscious strategy most sexually successful good looking men I've seen use. It just comes naturally to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 09:13 PM
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Good for you. Its just very telling that none of your post or comments mentions anything about a guy's interest in you, beyond your looks, as an attractive quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 06:27 AM
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Where did I mention she slept with anyone? (A bit rude of you to assume btw) Reason she made so much money is because she was a pole dancing instructor on the side and most of her students were also strippers who paid her in cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 06:20 AM
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So a lot of men will still view that profession/lifestyle as "beneath them" whether or not you have more money than them (which I'm not doubting btw. My friend's roommate was a stripper and the house looked like a drug dealer's with how many stacks of cash were just laying around). And the men that probably don't care are also unsuprisingly the ones that care little that you put in any effort into a date beyond looking hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 06:03 AM
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Also, not to brag but I have money. A lot of it. Funny how you haven't yet mentioned what you did to earn it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 05:42 AM
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You mean like this? The hairstyle thing is so common its heartbreaking. Really easy to fix for a lot of dudes but a lot of them won't because "this is how I've always done it." Most common offense I've seen is guys trying to pull off long hair. It looks good on a tiny minority of men and I can safely say I'm not one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 04:53 AM
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Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, India, Bangladesh, Phillipines, etc. Taiwan I would consider East Asian since most of the people that live there are ethnic Han Chinese.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 11:17 PM
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Southeast Asian Totally intentional btw
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 11:07 PM
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Definitely seems like some colorism is at play when it comes to black men. Tall biracial men do pretty well for themselves from what I've seen. And I'd say the fact that racially ambiguous men are considered unique or exotic is a big strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 10:55 PM
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Been looking at men's OLD profiles on some of the other subs and its usually immediately clear why a lot of them aren't getting matches. Most common aesthetic shortcomings I've seen: Poor facial hair management (e.g. neckbeards) Hairstyle that doesn't work for them Too skinny/Too fat Bad lighting in many of the photos Wearing clothes that don't fit Obvious facial abnormalities (overbite/underbite, bad skin) Too short Member of a disadvantaged ethnic group (I wish it weren't true but SEA men do h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 10:22 PM
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Of course it matters. How much weight they assign it depends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:40 PM
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Only 2-3 more years before a reversible vasectomy alternative is FDA approved.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:38 PM
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My point is how they’re defining it is inconsequential to the reality of the situation. I get that. Seems like just a roundabout way to virtue signal their "values".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 10:28 PM
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The point of contention here is what it means to be "a man". Next time you hear it being said, actually ask them how they would define "man" because my subtextual read is that you are defining "man" as an adult human male and the TradCon men are defining a man as a rational well-adjusted adult male with good values. I'm sure if they were operating from your definition of man they would probably agree with you but there really isn't that much depth to this disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 10:00 PM
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“Those aren’t men, those are boys.” I've personally have never heard this. But I also think you're reading too much into it. If I were being charitable it probably has more to do with upbringing than it does any gender-wide collective responsibility. Like a woman who domestically abuses her partner isn't seen as a "lady". So both are rooted in perceptions of what we consider to be acceptable mature adult behavior, which isn't necessarily bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 09:15 PM
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I'm inclined to agree. The only women who would pay top dollar for such a service are also the least likely to date down socio-economically.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 10:06 PM
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Define "out of your way". Like I'll sometimes chat up strangers if coincidence brings the two of us together (e.g. if I'm going on a hike that's well trafficked its customary to give a greeting and make small talk at rest points). But these situations just don't come up that often. But initiating a conversation with woman I'm not attracted to out of nowhere for no reason? No, why would I do that? 95% of the time her guard is going to be up and she's going to think I'm hitting on her anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 06:23 PM
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Selection bias. Women with severe beauty insecurities aren't going to post their pics for online strangers. Attractive women probably know they're attractive on some level.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 04:24 PM
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I talked about the jobs that working class women take. What are you even talking about? Its the other way around. No one is forcing women into these jobs. Women who are working class are so because they decided to take a working class job. I'm getting the sense we're confusing working class with lower-class. And having been in both sides of working class and professional, the professional is definitely a better quality of life. I'm pretty sure stats would back that up on every measure too. No, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 06:08 PM
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Depends on the career. The problem I have is you're trying to group "working class" under one umbrella. Then you did a weird pivot to women's selection criteria for the men they settle down with. So concerning the part of your comment regarding the careers women choose, I honestly don't care, it's just the way you are separating "working class" from "professional". Of course most women (really, people tbh) are going to want an easier life but being a "professional" does not often equate to havin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 04:01 AM
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Majority of women don't care as long as the guy is self-sufficient but... yeesh this fucking reeks of American-centered classist determinism. Good thing most women my age range don't think like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:10 AM
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And how would they be sent anonymously?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 10:53 PM
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However, many Women deny doing this. But I do not see the logic? Who would say no to a free outing (with a side of sex from a good sex giver if you choose)? So are Women doing this on the regular and are just lying? If they are not, then why not? I don't believe they are lying (well, most aren't). Dating carries more risk for women so they need the men who want to take them out to build rapport to make sure the guy isn't a total weirdo/creep. This is obviously going to take time. When they have …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 10:52 PM
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I wouldn't trust putting a face to my username with how toxic people can get here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 10:30 PM
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Not my best friend, but I guy I grew up with in the church in the same grade as me (I was raised Christian, now agnostic) married my younger sister. It was awkward for a bit since she was 17 and he was 25 when they first started going out but eh, it is what it is. Since they're both still Christian they did the whole courtship/relationship counseling with pastors. I have no reason to believe he had sex with her when she was underage.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 10:22 PM
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My little brother definitely related to girls easily in high school as friends because of this. The downside is that it can trick you into a false sense of confidence. A little bit about me: I did drama/choir in high school where average ratio of boys to girls was 1:3. I also have a sister not too different in age from me. When I started going on dates after high school, it was like my mind just switched into the mode where I was having a conversation with my platonic female friends. The result …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 06:23 PM
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In regards to the original topic, women need to take accountability yes, but the solution isn't dating ugly broke dudes, so I would disagree with the OP in his prescription. But if women are complaining about dating a string of shitty men, the common denominator is them (that is, the women doing the complaining).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 09:18 PM
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Y’all are obsessed with women taking imaginary accountability which assumes better options exist yet the men y’all think women should actually go for could very well treat them the same way as the attractive man did. As I've been reliably informed by the women here, being single is always an option, and is objectively better than being with a shitty partner. This statement is phrased like a woman has to jump immediately after a failed relationship to another man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 08:27 PM
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He's not complaining, he's describing the reality of what OLD is. Both genders treat it like a game, we just have different prizes. When you say "if I told them I was looking for FWB I wouldn't have had sex with the women I did." You are telling me you pretending to want a relationship with another human just to "up your average". No, what he's saying is that the unwritten rules of modern dating, like it or not, necessitate not being clear about what your end goals for using OLD are. The reality…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 02:16 AM
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A lot of these women are just...eugh. It's embarrassing how many dudes who spend years on their physical fitness and physique don't put that same time towards their self worth. I used to call Tinder the "Burger King of pussy" among my friends because most of the women on their were just straight mediocre. Yup, and it becomes incredibly debasing after a while once you realize how much effort you have to put in for someone who very clearly basic/boring. Some women really are only good for sex and …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:44 AM
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Studies have shown that people who have something happen that is life changing (good like lottery win or bad like a serious accident) will level back off after a certain amount of time. Its called the hedonic treadmill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:53 AM
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It's just a hypothetical, don't read too much into it 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:50 AM
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If he was able to come through oral or handjob, would that have changed your answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:43 AM
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B is incapable of coming, no matter the method. But he can obviously still get hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:41 AM
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Q4W: Assuming both guys meet your other sexual needs when it comes to oral, foreplay, and aftercare, which do you choose? Guy A: Lasts under a minute in PIV. Guy B: Lasts as long as you want him to for PIV, but is never able to come. (Again, both guys are equally attractive, equally good at foreplay + oral)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:37 AM
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Kids seem to be one of the most common, if not the most common, denominators over at deadbedrooms. And the "touched out" can extend lack of interest in sex way past 6 months to a year. I get that husbands are supposed to weather a dryspell after a pregnancy but the uncertainty of how long that ends up lasting is what worries me. I have no idea why couples would have another after the first one is in school.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 05:00 AM
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Doesn't a woman's libido almost always take a huge hit after having a kid?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:07 AM
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My money's on him getting Julius Caesar-ed by his oligarchs in exchange for legal immunity after the successful attempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:28 AM
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Evening PPD, please enjoy this crazy text I got while looking for a shared living situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:02 AM
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🤣 how dare I engage and participate in a debate sub. You don't want to engage with the point so you'd rather accuse me of doing what you yourself are doing, which is derailing. You're welcome to block me and report me to the mods but right now it seems only one of us is making an effort to have a good faith discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 09:56 PM
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So considering that you find male sexuality repulsive, do you find your male partner's sexuality repulsive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 09:15 PM
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I am a woman. Lol, bad move trying to play the “all the other girlz here agree with me!” card. I said "almost all" and "99%". You're welcome to tag the username of any other PPD woman and ask her opinion on this issue if you want to try and prove me wrong. Romcoms were not the topic at hand between me and the person I was having the conversation with before you butted in. Once again if you want to talk about romcoms, please do your own thread. You keep circling back to this even though I didn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 09:05 PM
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I never asked that question. Plenty of women are able to dissociate normal expressions of male sexuality from paraphilia, which it seems you think is inherent to male sexuality as a whole. Sounds like more of a "you problem".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 08:22 PM
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There is no "we". Like I said before, there's no reason for me to feel guilt if I didn't do anything wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 07:59 PM
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It’s is far more systemic than you think. It fuels global sex slavery. Ok. I can see that its happening, understand that when it does happen its fucked up, but that's about as much as you're going to get from me and the majority of men when it comes to "ownership".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 07:52 PM
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There will always exist a small % of men that are paraphilics. It's not a systemic problem we can fix, as much as we all wish we could.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 07:43 PM
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I'm not derailing, I am simply trying to point out, as almost every other woman on this sub has also pointed out, that female sexuality is more complicated. You are applying the same fixed metric (visual appeal, naked bodies, etc.) for measuring how much an industry appeals to both genders' sexuality. This is a flawed analysis and I'd bet 99% of the women who frequent this sub would agree with me on this. Different sexualities require different metrics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 07:32 PM
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"Female centric sexuality" is tied at the hip to romantic themes and tropes associated with romance films and romcoms (which have been around for a long time).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 06:54 PM
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And how many movies like Magic Mike dominate the romcom/romance genre? An exception doesn't disprove the generalization. Women are the one's always talking about how their sexuality is more ✨ complicated ✨ than men's (which is a statement I agree with btw) but for some weird reason you are only using comparative numbers of naked women and men to come to the conclusion that Hollywood caters way more to men than it does to women. This is an apples and oranges comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 06:45 PM
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That said, I think anyone who watches American entertainment would disagree that sexuality is still portrayed from a male centric POV (and most certainty male centric porn way out numbers female centric porn). It’s getting better but count how many naked women vs naked men you saw in the last 10 R rated movies you saw. Count how many simulated male orgasms vs female orgasms. Because by and large men are still producing movies and TV. This wouldn't change even if you had exclusively women produci…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 06:27 PM
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Take ownership of that. No. Collective guilt is cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 06:16 PM
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If you were a dateless virgin in your 20s should you be judged based on that? I would assume so, yes. If your past partners thought you sucked in bed, should you be judged on that? To be expected. If you were routinely rejected by women should you be judged based on that? Again, yes to be expected. Do you apply the same premise yourselves? I will 100% lie/omit the the things that would probably disqualify me and I feel no guilt in doing it since women do it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:46 AM
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Ah, the old Neo-Marxist-Postmodern fusion switcheroo. Listen closely, u/ThrowAwayBro737, because this is a common rhetorical tactic Marxists like to use. Step 1: Assume any mention of Postmodernism refers to dead French guy (original) Postmodernism (Foucault, Lyotard, Derrida) Step 2: Make the accurate claim the original Postmodernists were extremely critical of Marxism. (Again, this is a true statement.) Step 3: Ignore and deflect any mention of how Postmodernism mutated and changed to fit Neo-…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 11:30 PM
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Not OP but yeah, that would appear what he is saying. Marxists, especially the "true believer" types, have a really really hard time accepting that inequitable outcomes can exist outside and independent from sociopolitical and cultural structures. These structures of course exist and influence people's lives, but Marxists staple that lens onto their heads and it becomes all they are able to see the world, its history, and its problems through. Its why I believe Marxism is a pseudo-religious cult…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:16 AM
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I am a Marxist psychology/sociology double-major and statistics tutor with a special interest in cultural psychology who vehemently opposes biological determinism and has much experience in critiquing research in the latter as well as debating the issue. Thank you for at least being upfront about your ideological bias. To address your topic, very few people, on here and in the real world, actually believe beauty standards are 100% universal (or rather, entirely biologically determinitive). Cultu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:00 AM
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Do you actually take the time to seriously engage with any of the different men who post on here? Because almost every single one of your comments complains about "PPD men" despite the fact that the majority of us don't even flair as RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 05:38 PM
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even the successes unbearably humiliating I felt this in my soul. Even the wins can feel debasing if you just feel like a dancing monkey. Like why am I putting so much effort into someone that's so unenthusiastic and boring?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 01:52 AM
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Natalia Dyer. Face > body.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 01:46 AM
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Validation and attention. What most women are really on OLD for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 12:45 AM
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This question may seem culturally insensitive but fuck it: Isn't it true there are phenotypical differences you can spot between the Indian ethnolinguistic groups? And since some (many?) of these groups may have long existing feuds, with families disappoving intermarriage between the two groups, maybe that could be a reason for the awkward situation the Indian couple found themselves in.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 06:07 AM
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He doesn't give a damn about the literotica I read. Yeah, especially since there's so many. Which ones do you read so I can avoid them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 05:14 AM
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Men's desire for more more more is insatiable, men are always going to be "sexually unsatisfied" unless they're banging a rotating cast of 19 year olds willing to fulfill their every sexual whim. What you are describing here is a paraphilic, which is out of the ordinary.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 05:11 AM
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Insecurity doesn't discriminate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 06:04 PM
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The larger the gap, the larger the flag
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:17 PM
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I too am a dating/relationship procrastinator. You'll find more excuses until you wake up one day and realize that the gaps in your relationship history are a yellow flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:07 PM
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He was going off of motile sperm. Pregnancy rate may not always be accurate and after 15 years, it may not be the fault of the vasectomy that is preventing a pregnancy if you know what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:03 AM
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There are apprarently little to no side effects other than some reports of minor scrotal swelling. The polymer gel will also wear off I think between 10 to 15 years after injection.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 05:21 PM
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Depends on your insurance and who you want to get it through (urologist vs GP, out of network vs in network). If you're old enough, have kids, and have the right plan, it can be super cheap. Dr. Turek's price was just north of $4,000 I think. Is vasalgel another form of male birth control methods? Yes, Vasalgel is a form of experimental male contraceptive currently undergoing human trials in Australia. The technology has been around since the 70s but it basically involves injecting a special typ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 05:14 PM
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His name is Dr. Turek and he has a practice in both LA and San Francisco. He will do vasectomies for men a lot younger than what most doctors will do (he was willing to do mine when I saw him at 25). Super nice guy but his rate for a vasectomy is almost triple what you would normally pay. And since he has his own private practice, he's probably out of network so be prepared to pay for all of it out of pocket. I ultimately decided against going through with it since he mentioned he was also one o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 04:30 PM
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Its higher than you would think but it depends on the surgeon who is doing the vasectomy, the reversal, and the length of time between the two. A urologist I talked to had an 85% reversal success rate for 15+ years post vasectomies he performed. And according to him, that's 10% higher than average.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 04:11 PM
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A lot of vasectomies are performed by GPs (who aren't exactly very skilled) which can lead to bad pain and swelling. Do not get a vasectomy from a GP, get it from a well reviewed urologist with an established history of performing vasectomies. Also, the more skilled the surgeon the higher the likelihood of reversibility success %.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 03:31 PM
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Maybe I’m biased because I don’t plan to have kids, but like, if someone gets a vasectomy or get their tubes tied and later regrets it, what’s really the big deal? Liability. Doctors can still get sued if the dumb patient regrets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 03:26 PM
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How is it any worse than going on a date for sex? You're right, it shouldn't be any worse but the two are viewed unequally with regards to dating and gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:13 AM
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You know you can go on dates just to have fun, right? Of course. If a man's OLD bio said "I'm just here to have fun," what would you assume he means? What is the subtext/connotation of that statement when made by a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:44 AM
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Depends on the context. When someone says they "go on dates for fun", it implies casual dating, which is fine, as long as they're upfront and clear about their intentions (which I guess is a big ask in today's dating world). On the other end, I feel like a lot more weight is placed on men to know exactly what we want and communicate what we want going into a date, and even then its an uphill battle to prove we don't have nefarious intentions because the male sex drive is seen as perverted and de…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:37 AM
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I always spoil my younger sister.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 11:46 PM
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For some men it's like a candy shop. Some men, yes. Some.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:13 PM
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Ok. It's not meant as a "gotcha" but having encountered this type of behavior and mindset with women on OLD was... annoying. Credit where credit is due, you said you're no longer on OLD, so that's good, but when men complain about women (especially young women) "not knowing what they want", this is the type of mindset they're referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:02 PM
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Excuse my misunderstanding, but your declared intentions are written in such a way that would seem contradictory to most people reading it. i wanted to meet and see if i can form a connection Right, a lot of people would call this dating. but i wasn’t genuinely trying to date because heartbreak. 😐
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:30 AM
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and i’m not in a position to date but i wanted to put my toe in the water at least. one was a guy who was in between cars who literally told me he wants to just text and talk otp until he gets a car and is in more positive place in life. and i was like well why are you even on here if we can’t meet lol. 🤔 Do you see the hypocrisy here?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:03 AM
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Assuming your story is accurate, you didn't lead him on. He's being delusional and it's not your responsibility to be his therapist by trying to make him understand his own irrationality. I honestly wouldn't fault you for ghosting him at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:11 PM
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I also think it’s his responsibility to know when he is rejected and to walk away when his advances are not being accepted if he can’t handle being friends. We both agree on this but assigning responsibility doesn't really work when one of the parties isn't behaving like a mature adult. To put it on her to handle his emotions is forcing her to accept the responsibility of his actions, aka coddling. A stern dismissal followed by blocking him sends precisely the correct message that she is not res…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:07 PM
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It's not coddling to say she needs to cut him off. Yes, he's a grown man but he's clearly being the irrational one if we are to take OP at her word, and you can't fight irrationality with rationality. What he needs is a wake up call in the form of a stern rejection followed by a swift blocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 04:23 PM
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Whether or not his feelings are genuine is actually kind of irrelevant. He wants something you can't give him and keeps pushing after you've said no. Maybe there are some perks to the friendship you want to retain but it will only get worse. He fits the stereotype of the "nice guy" so he will interpret any time spent together as just more opportunities to push for what he wants. The more favors he does as your "friend" the more expectant and entitled he will become. You know what you have to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 04:17 PM
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I found that those of my friends who were admirers of Marx, Freud, and Adler, were impressed by a number of points common to these theories, and especially by their apparent explanatory power. These theories appear to be able to explain practically everything that happened within the fields to which they referred. The study of any of them seemed to have the effect of an intellectual conversion or revelation, open your eyes to a new truth hidden from those not yet initiated. Once your eyes were t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:14 PM
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Quantity of suitors is a given. Not once did I complain about it. Username does not check out
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:44 PM
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That's not even relevant to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 03:06 PM
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We might be talking past each other. I wouldn't consider a woman in her 20s exclusively and sincerely looking for a long term partner to be a "casual dater". And I did acknowledge in my post that a woman who dates many men looking for a LTR is hard to distinguish from a woman who non-seriously dates many men in order to gain attention/validation. The latter can always posture herself as the former if she is called out on her actions. Ever since Sex and the City and dating reality TV shows glamor…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:13 AM
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We probably have very different concepts of what a serial dater is. Just so we're not talking past each other, I would define a woman serial dater as someone, usually early to mid 20s, that has neither the time nor the emotional capacity to be in a relationship but will go on dates anyway because they enjoy being flirted with, enjoy the pursuit, and/or want to brag to their friends over brunch about how many guys they are dating. I would argue this type of person is a bad actor in the overall da…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:02 AM
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Generally speaking, yes it is the case that women are sexually/romantically reactive. I don't like the fact that, as a guy, I always have to make the first move but those are the rules of the game for the vast majority of men that aren't rich and extremely good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:57 AM
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I disagree. Slut implies having sex. Women serial daters aren't in it for the sex, they're in it for the attention/validation and will often leave before it gets to that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:41 AM
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Serial daters (at least as they seem to be here) are like Don Draper, whose ex told him "You only like the beginnings of things." They like the promise, the chase, the conquest, the feeling of knowing another person is falling for you, the winning over of someone. Yes, exactly. So would you agree that serial daters are also equally deserving of condemnation, since they both make the people they leave behind increasingly jaded?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:38 AM
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Gold diggers exist. Women who genuinely want to sleep around exist. Gold diggers and casual sex seekers are a small minority of the type of woman I would consider to be a serial dater. What I am more referring to is a woman, usually early to mid 20s, that has neither the time nor the emotional capacity to be in a relationship but will go on dates anyway because they enjoy being flirted with, enjoy the pursuit, and/or want to brag to their friends over brunch about how many guys they are dating. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:32 AM
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What would you call a woman who uses subterfuge to acquire attention/validation from men who are not down for giving said attention/validation if there is no chance she is interested in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:24 AM
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In general women dont have to lie to get validation and attention from men. And in general, men don't have to lie to get sex from women. They can just settle into a LTR (which statistically is what happens for most of us). But then of course you would probably counter with "Well duh, but there are still men who will lie to sleep with many different women! It isn't the amount of sex but the variety of different partners the fuckboy wants." And I would agree, but then you would also have to conced…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:19 AM
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Exactly, his intentions don't matter; only the feelings of the women he has left feeling bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:08 AM
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A female serial dater takes dating seriously. We have completely different definitions for what a female serial dater is. By the definitions laid out in the articles linked and my post, a serial dater does not take dating seriously. That's what makes them a serial dater.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:06 AM
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Women date men for love and companionship. No, not always. Women will date purely for attention and validation. Quite frequently, in fact. Of course, they can always pull the ripcord of "I just haven't found the right man yet."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:03 AM
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Replace sex with validation & attention and you have the analogous woman serial dater. There is no moral difference between a man who lies to get sex and a woman who lies to get validation and attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 03:59 AM
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What he's suggesting is just another variant of a prisoner's dilemma. You could never get all men on board with this because a more assertive group of men are just going to take advantage of the reduced competition and the fact that women's sexuality tends to be inherently reactive. Speaking as a guy, men do not have the collective willpower or influence to be making these kinds of demands for how dating "should be".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 09:28 PM
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The problem is men gatekeep (actually its not so much a "problem", there are justifiable reasons for being suspicious of our own gender). Saying this as a guy that has friends that were in frats, if you don't know anyone, you're not getting in. Period. A lot of men just don't have the types of friends that have these types of gatherings. So being in the wrong clique has lasting consequences since transitioning can be hard, but not impossible. Not the same with young women who, in a lot of party …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 08:03 AM
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I don’t understand why more Americans don’t consider that. Your parents sacrifice for you, the least you could do is make their final stage of life as comfortable as possible not facing homelessness and working a back breaking job at 60+. Funny, its the opposite with my dad, a white collar insurance analyst making over $160,000 a year. He has a very "fuck you, I got mine" attitude when it comes to newer generations. He was more than capable of financially paying for me and my siblings education,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 07:13 AM
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Ho carries a negative connotation. The politically correct term is "sexually generous".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 07:50 PM
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"Slut shaming is okay when women are doing it"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 07:43 PM
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They live in a bubble. I can count on 1 hand the number of women I've seen on here who have admitted to being single and under 30 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 07:41 PM
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Too myopic. Dating environments and relative gender advantages/disadvantages differ wildly depending on socioeconomic class, friend groups, and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:06 PM
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Are there really so few that it doesn't affect the statistics at all? I don't really believe in the 80/20 rule, but serially monogamous men exist and are somewhat common. They are, by their very nature, a transient and fleeting subgroup of men in the much larger pool of eligible single men. Do you know attractive men around you who wouldn't have a problem having casual sex with many women, but just don't want to? Yes. For my attractive and serially monogamous best friend (and the men I've known …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:18 PM
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But that doesn't mean any precaution is bad. I didn't say this, did I?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 03:18 AM
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A woman voicing her precautions is the perfect opportunity for the guy to say "take all the precautions you need." Anything said along those lines is like a cheat code (and no, not in the PUA psychological manipulation way). You can't nurture attraction without building some level of comfort and security.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 02:34 AM
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There is a reason high school girls can’t wear tank tops because it’s “distraction”. Girls and women are actually told to bend themselves into pretzels to not tempt male sexuality. Wait, you don't see this as a demonization of male sexuality too? The idea that men are so rabidly horny and lack so much self-control women have to cover up?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 01:21 AM
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Although you didn't specifically mention it, I know its popular to assume the CIA had a deliberate hand in trafficking cocaine into the inner cities but none of that has been proven. We know the agency had knowledge of drug trafficking and worked with the anti-communist Nicaraguan Contras but that does not equate to them having a direct role in the trafficking itself. The original story that broke this in the San Jose Mercury had to be retracted. And locking up our own doesn't soley attribute bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 09:35 PM
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Causes are almost always multi-faceted. As it pertains to higher than average incarceration rate for Black Americans: Historic redlining led to high concentrations of black people in certain underprivileged Metropolitan neighborhoods. In the early 1960s, there was a method of means testing underprivileged black families for welfare called "the man in the house rule". Designed by well intentioned white liberals, the policy offered much greater assistance to single parents and involved social work…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 08:31 PM
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I mean do you see something and make zero effort to look into why is this the way it is? The difference is I don't already have a narrative in my head that biases my conclusion. I ask questions, research, then use all information gathered to arrive at an answer that I never had in the beginning. The more you do this, the more you realize the answers are a lot more nuanced than "my side good", "their side bad".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 07:51 PM
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Socioeconomic standing is transient and regionally (& by proxy culturally) dependent. Do you honestly believe there is not a single person who have raised themselves out of poverty through their own efforts?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 07:43 PM
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And in doing so, you make the same mistake the conspiracy theory makes: you see dots and make up a ridiculous story to connect those dots (probably because you live in a bubble and have never had your beliefs questioned). This entire comment is representative of the Manichaean dualistic lens radicals see the world through. You see outcomes you don't like (i.e. more black people in prison) and work backwards to arrive at a narrative that paints your side as "the good guys" and the other side as "…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 07:33 PM
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Are you autistic? He meant the ability to rise out of a lower socioeconomic status, not literally pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 07:21 PM
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M/W is a spectrum, not a binary. And each man's criteria for putting you on that spectrum will be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 07:11 PM
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Womens lifes have been positively affected by liberalism. While I agree, liberalism is no longer an ideology backed by a significant portion of "the left", at least not here in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 07:05 PM
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My guess would be because he was someone you just felt comfortable around, even if you weren't super attracted to him at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 03:25 AM
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She has a point. Your body, your choice but its difficult to gauge how you're going to emotionally react to something until you're in the moment experiencing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 03:15 AM
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certain men have fantasies of humiliating women they don’t like and women who wouldn’t give them the time of day. Paraphilics exist?! I'm shocked!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 09:46 PM
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You don't need some deep insight or firsthand physiological experience to describe what a menstrual cycle is like to your daughter. "You may experience some pain, discomfort, or bleeding from xyz regions. This is totally normal, you are not hurt, injured, or dying. Here are a list of trusted adults you can go to if I am not there when this first happens. Here are some reasons why your body is going through these completely normal changes..." Men are completely capable of learning about menstrual…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:56 AM
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"This is your brain on standpoint epistemology."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:40 AM
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The financial cost of an x-ray and how long you have to wait for said x-ray is a good example of the difference between healthcare and health insurance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:32 AM
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Lol where did I say anything about my daughter's vagina and why are you mentioning it? Kinda creepy tbh. Also RIP to all the single dads out there with young daughters trying to teach them they shouldn't be ashamed about having their first period. They should know better than to presume what its like to be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:29 AM
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Freezer temperature IQ take. Me telling my daughter to practice safe sex? 👎 My wife telling my daughter to practice safe sex? 👍 But muh ✨lived experience✨
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:22 AM
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So the advice is bad if said by a man and good if said by a woman? Even if the substance of the advice is exactly the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:16 AM
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Fine 🙄 Is it really that bad for women to advise other women not to have sex with men they aren't comfortable voicing their boundaries with? I never said this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:13 AM
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Is it really that bad to advise women not to have sex with men they aren't comfortable voicing their boundaries with?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:05 AM
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Here is my cat. I saw her in my house not long ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:57 AM
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US progressives really need to temper their expectations first. There will be rationing, there will be long lines, there will be death panels, there will be people who still won't be able to get the care they need. I'm not fearmongering as all this may be an acceptable cost for people avoiding becoming financially destitute, but there are always tradeoffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:44 AM
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First post I opened: "I quickly discovered that bursting a blood capillary in your first week isn't fun." ...and that's enough for today
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 10:09 PM
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Some mothers are just like that (invasive and doting on their sons). So glad I won't have to deal with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 10:02 PM
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There is a small but not insignificant amount of women that now watch porn. If he wants, he can go over to r/chickflixxx and read the comments there (where men are expressly forbidden to post and comment because it is a porn subreddit directly targeted at women) As a side note, Manuel Ferrara and Owen Grey are the two of the most popular male pornagraphic actors in the industry today, and for good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:57 PM
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On a completely separate note, your video on Male Dating and Sex Struggles should be required viewing for everyone on this sub. Had no idea you were on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:19 AM
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I don't see "recognizing patterns" as necessarily bad but I do have a problem when people, not you specifically, tend to collectively assign guilt or demand that a group "take responsibility" for something outside the locus of their own control. Systemic problems require systemic solutions. But people need to manage their expectations about the perfectibility of society. There will always be bad people doing bad things to innocent people. No amount of cultural awareness or consciousness raising …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:24 AM
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CMV: Viewing current modern gender relations through a collectivist lens does more harm than good. On the one hand, second wave feminism did throw the first punch by viewing the genders as separate classes, with one subordinate to the other. On the other hand, such an action was probably necessary to organize/galvanize the movement into one that could produce meaningful change. Abortion issue aside, I think the vast majority of problems modern Western women face on a day to day basis can be summ…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 11:50 PM
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The problem is a lot of women's issues in dating, especially online dating, are affected by sample bias. And womens issues are kinda that: we're not trusting men. Probably justified but I don't see a viable solution. No amount of "social awareness" is probably going to have any effect. People rarely change their values after the age of 25 unless there is a traumatic experience or big life changing event.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:51 PM
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Fascinating channel. Thanks for the recommendation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:44 AM
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Veneers/crowns? There are some places down in Tijuana that can do them for cheap and they actually do a pretty good job.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 06:09 AM
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Are their a lot of goodlooking men there? Are a lot la girls stuck up? Yes and yes. I live there as well. But the silver lining is that its such a big city there's all kinds of different groups for different people, so you're doing yourself a disservice if you only judge the quality of the city's dating by what you see online. Most of my social life is in OC though, which is much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:02 PM
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May or may not be true. I've been in his shoes before and by the end of my last phase of doing OLD, every conversation was "for the lols" as I did not at all care about whether it was going to turn into a date. Didn't matter how attractive the girl was, the goal was to pique her curiosity then see how fast I could nuke the convo without being sexually explicit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 08:27 PM
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Its because there will always be a small % of the population with a destructive personality disorder or paraphilic sexual desires. No amount of morality policing or preventative education from "scouts" will eliminate it entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 08:09 PM
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Maybe that’s a little true but I still see it happen to attractive women too. Oh I'm sure it happens but its much less common and for different reasons. The more attractive you are, the more options you have and the better chance of finding whatever it is you're looking for, whether it be a casual FWB or a stable LTR. It’s more likely that he just wanted to hook up and not be bothered with talking to her again. Both can be true (him not wanting to be bothered and him not being attracted to her) …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 01:22 AM
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Noted. You can shout all you want about how the term was "originally framed" but this is a rhetorical pivot and not applicable to my first comment, which is how most men think.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:36 PM
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The rest of the manosphere hate them as well. They got into a beef with Aba & Preach (who are on the more benign side of the manosphere community) and started abusing YouTube's copyright reporting system to take down Aba & Preach's reaction videos to some of their cringy content.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:17 PM
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I don’t understand how people (especially other women) don’t get this. Because the women most affected and most susceptible to pump and dumps are usually average or below average in terms of physical attractiveness. Contrary to what TRP states, I believe most of these women are self aware (to an extent) of their own lack of attractiveness and will be the first to compromise their personality and physical standards for men because they're human beings who get lonely and horny too. The more attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:10 PM
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Noted, you can reframe the term as a binary if it makes you feel better. I don't really care.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 08:39 PM
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Every guy has a Madonna-Whore concept of women. The difference is the Bible belt guy is going to assign a completely different score on the M-W spectrum, for a woman with an N-count of say 5, than a guy born and raised in San Francisco.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 07:30 PM
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Everytime the Madonna-Whore complex gets mentioned here, any nuance goes right out the window (and the lack of nuance is coming from the same people that complain TRP is myopic). "B-b-but TRP says if she isn't a virgin then she is a worthless, good for nothing whore!" Fucking spare me; no one in real life actually believes this. Yes, M-W exists but it is a spectrum, not a binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 06:18 PM
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Sounds like a cope since he was dating a porn star. Hasan Piker is one of the most retarded twitch streamers and I don't know why so many people like him. Fresh and Fit can eat a bag of dicks as well though, fuck those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 06:11 PM
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Have you tried moving out of Alabama?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 05:46 PM
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IMO, having sex whenever and with whoever you want is itself pretty consistent (well, consistent enough for me, but I'm pretty progressive when it comes to sex). I'm not going to dictate when I think a woman should have sex, but I do think waiting a bit has its merits just to filter out people who aren't serious. If OP's girlfriend had adopted this much more independent mindset for when she wanted to have sex instead of restraining her desire for sex and putting him in a box, they never would've…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:21 AM
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I’m saying I value education which includes all subjects. Noted. You are aware you can make real life observations/judgments about the relative value of certain fields and degrees and this doesn't mean you don't "value education", right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:45 AM
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Saying "all subjects have utility" may make you feel like a good person but it isn't true in a relative sense or helpful when discussing what people (especially women) tend to value in a SO. Finances are absolutely relevant to the discussion since the skills you get from an education (with some exceptions) determine your lifestyle and self-sufficiency.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:03 PM
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Aren't we muddying the waters here a bit? Just because an academic subject has "value" in the abstract sense doesn't mean it is worth the six-figure student debt attached to it (unless there exists a potential long-term payoff such as with medical doctors). I don't think recommending against studying a subject (within the confines of institutional education) due to its low utility/demand in the outside world means you devalue education.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:32 PM
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Yes, but there exists a difference between valuing education as a concept/institution and valuing a person's life choices that involve pursuing a specific type of education. I personally don't value all types of education since, for a lot of degrees, it really isn't worth the price.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 08:54 PM
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So it's much less "not valuing education writ large" but more "not valuing your time and life choices when it comes to education."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:36 PM
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From a filtering/selection criteria standpoint, the rationale I see being offered by some of the women makes 0 sense. Like, women will flex and posture that they have these set standards and that "men need to do better" and "catch up with the times" but when it comes to the moderation of their sexual behavior depending on the "type" of guy, they just roll over and accept the Madonna-Whore complex as the normal [patriarchal] state of affairs among most men. I cannot for the life of me figure out …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:10 PM
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Valuing education is high on my list and all the tradesmen I’ve dated scoffed at that. Scoffed how? And was it because they were tradesmen or that they didn't value education? Does not having a degree = not valuing education (considering there are many people who can't afford one)?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:21 PM
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Then why would a woman want to be with the type of man that thinks if she gives it up easily, she's a slut? Doesn't this display a tolerance for antiquated, regressive mindsets in the men women choose?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:02 PM
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“Deserve to score”? Didn’t you just say how women don’t view sex as a reward? Why frame it this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:21 PM
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I perused her profile. She’s a stripper in NYC, not some mid-sized city. The diversity of clients is not that surprising considering the tourism and absolute # of people living there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:10 PM
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Have been =/= habitually go to
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:04 PM
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Minor risk of her getting even more attached. What I did was talk about my previously undisclosed (and nonexistent) taxidermy hobby. There's something uniquely creepy about stuffing dead animals that makes a woman ghost you at light speed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 12:58 AM
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And the whole "pump and dump" terminology is largely a cope for men to feel they are in control...far more men than women get dumped after the first sexual encounter because the woman found the experience lacking. True. Women use men for sex more than men use women, but that's just my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 12:45 AM
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Believe whatever you want. But the fact you can't consider any situation outside of the man always being the lying villain says a lot about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 12:41 AM
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And there it is. "All men are guilty of pump and dumps because most men aren't trustworthy."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 12:28 AM
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Honey, they're typically not good the first 5 tries. Sweetie, they typically are. I'm sorry you've had bad luck with your partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 12:24 AM
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Usually the sex is terrible the first time. Not in my experience, based on the feedback I've gotten.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 12:17 AM
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Why sex is so important but not her personality? For a LTR, they're both important. You just won't hear men talking about the two in the same conversation because we view them as more separated than women. Not even a great personality can alleviate some negative sexual hangups.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 12:10 AM
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The portion of the manosphere identifying with RedPill has changed considerably in the past 7 years though tbf.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 11:54 PM
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Would you apply the same standard for women? In other words, should a woman feel like she has to try sleeping with a dude a second time even after he was not very good the first?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 11:16 PM
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Its not even related to the topic. Your telling me AMALT isn't real? Yes, and neither is AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 11:13 PM
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RIGHT after sex he thought maybe he wasn't interested anymore. Usually if I'm not feeling it there was only a date or two. Because the sex sucked. He had to walk on eggshells trying to explain this in the thread but women don't get eviscerated for wanting to break things off if their partners aren't able to take direction. I remember trying to explain to someone in that thread that there are some sexual hangups that no amount of time or emotional closeness can overcome. Do you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 11:11 PM
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Are there no legitimate reasons for giving up after the first try?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 11:06 PM
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This is coming from the guys looking for virgins. When did I ever say this? Engage with the topic instead of strawmanning.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 11:05 PM
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I don't expect you to believe me, but a lot of men approach sex and commitment purely with a "let's see what happens" type of mentality. Any further nefarious intentions read into that mentality are on the woman, but may be entirely justified given past experiences. On the other hand, I don't believe even most men that approach dating this way are being deliberately deceptive. I'm not accusing you in particular, but the majority of PPD women are extremely out of touch with how differently younge…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 11:43 PM
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I might be confusing it with oral Trenbolone, which is pretty toxic. But I think the main reason steroid users don’t like the oral route is that it’s very inconsistent compared to intramuscular. Different bodies on different diets will absorb varying levels of the oral test. With intramuscular, you get a much more consistent time release of test, which is important for monitoring blood work. Edit: upon further research there does appear to be minor risk of stroke/heart attack for oral test users
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 10:36 PM
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I had a friend who’s father codified blatant sexism into his parenting. Daughters got college + law school with own respective private apartments and a monthly allowance of like $2000. My friend got nothing. His rationale is that struggling would make him into more of a man (probably true on a development level, but still)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 10:22 PM
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Don’t Testosterone pills wreck your liver and kidneys? I thought the only safe route was intramuscular injection.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 10:16 PM
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5 years ago, I would've agreed with you but there's quite a bit of porn made for women now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:23 AM
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No one criticizing porn is able to separate (and no sex studies have yet differentiated) the difference between paraphilic and non-paraphilic porn consumption. Adult porn consumption doesn't make men paraphilic, they were already that way. It can worsen paraphilic tendencies though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:11 AM
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Freezer temperature IQ take. Female fetuses were aborted when China was still largely agrarian and rural and you needed males to work the farm.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 04:33 AM
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yet we STILL need to have an endlessly growing population in order to have economic prosperity ? Uh, no we don't. Productivity increases and technological innovation will still happen despite population shrinkage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:24 AM
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How long have you used Hinge for?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:53 PM
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Women call other women in their friends groups names like "dumb slut, stupid whore, you bitch," and other affectionate terms (to those exclusively in that friends group). https://youtu.be/7xS9Y_mjTjc
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:42 PM
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Happens more often than you'd think. The majority of boys leaving high school without a GF just didn't make the cut, but there are a few situations where an otherwise good looking guy just wouldn't have had the opportunity through no fault of his own: Going to an all boys school. Troubled home life/Adverse Childhood Experience Religious/Ultra-Conservative/Helicopter parents Raised in a small town, therefore few, if any, options ...just to name a few. It's also getting worse as younger generation…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 11:51 PM
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What's the opinion on Monero/XMR in the finance world?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 11:40 PM
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Because that someone he does want may not be present in his life and by choosing to date someone he doesn't want & establishing a relationship history, he will no longer have that red/yellow flag that disqualifies him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:09 PM
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It's tricky because we are dealing with conflicting social narratives that is pressuring a subset of men into some lose-lose situations. On the one hand you have: Don't lead women on into thinking you're into them when you're not, and Not having a monogamous relationship past a certain point will be interpreted as a yellow/red flag Ok so then what happens if you refrain from dating until you believe you're ready and end up failing anyway? It's not always that simple. An inexperienced man could f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 08:57 AM
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This presumes you're desperate to have anyone at all. Not really. Choice optimization is not the same as desperation. If you don't know the difference, I can try to explain better. The thought of dating someone I don't like just to get experience repulses me, and I wouldn't want to be with someone who did that. So we're in agreement then. As I was explaining to another commenter, a large subset of women, including yourself (and if I'm misinterpreting, please correct me) use relationship history …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 08:14 AM
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Also who said anything about a placeholder GF? I'm saying you should at least try, not that you should force yourself to date someone you're not satisfied with just to fill your "resume." That's what some men in a certain age group are going to interpret as a viable solution. If an empty relationship history is seen as a glaring red flag (i.e. an indicator of relationship incompetency), then there's probably going to be some social pressure on them to make a rash decision and get into a relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 07:55 AM
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Let me try to reframe it then, since "casting a wide net" is most commonly associated with casual relationships. Lets say, hypothetically, there are two types of women with different standards for relationship history: Group A: Women who demand an established history of monogamous relationship(s). Group B: Women who don't really care. Enter the 22/23 year old guy with no prior relationship experience. He is looking for a serious relationship, but hasn't found anyone yet. A good match for him is …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 06:25 AM
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They wouldn't tell you that, of course. And its the logical solution for men that are single by choice (or other extenuating circumstances in their late teens/early 20s) and want to cast the widest net, which would include a type of woman (like yourself) that treat relationship history like its a jobs resume.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:40 AM
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So you're recommending inexperienced men get placeholder GFs then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:32 AM
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Dogshit advice, really. What the commenter above you, u/cvslengthbucketlist is basically doing is encouraging people to get into relationships before they are ready. Essentially, get a placeholder GF to fill in the empty "relationship resume".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:04 AM
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First girlfriend syndrome is a thing, we all make stupid mistakes in our first relationship, it's better to get them mistakes out of the way when there's nothing staked, rather than waiting until you're potentially married/have kids. So set your standards low and get a placeholder GF, then discard her when you are over "first girlfriend syndrome" and ready to upgrade to something more serious. Got it. /s (if it wasn't already obvious)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 04:43 AM
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At worst, this is the type of advice that encourages men to get into relationships before they're ready to, which is already a frequent complaint on this and other dating subs (i.e. men getting placeholder GFs they were never that invested in in the first place then leaving when they feel they've obtained the requisite "relationship experience")
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 03:13 AM
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I don't intentionally misgender trans people out of respect for them, if that's what you mean. I'm aware gender dysphoria exists as a legitimate medical condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:47 PM
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I recognize that trans women are biologically male while presenting and living their lives as women. I think that above statement covers all the bases without being perceived as "transphobic" to the overwhelming majority of trans people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:42 PM
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No, I've experienced most of those and it has everything to do with immaturity and them not knowing what they want. Almost all of those qualities are exhibited in young women in the 18-23 age range. As a side note, I had a short fling with woman who admitted she was on the spectrum (not Autism, but mild aspergers I think) and she was waaay more laid back and chill than 99% of the girls I had seen on OLD. Her sex drive was through the roof as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:50 AM
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Unless the men of PPD and the maonsohere don’t represent average men 🤔 They don't. Can you give a specific example? How about a hypothetical, gender-inversed, counter-example? Imagine a heterosexual dating market where 75% of the men were rich. This same demographic of men advertise to the all single women around them by showing off pictures of their luxury apartments, expensive sports cars, and Rolex watches. And for some odd reason, every woman they date seems to take advantage of them financi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 09:21 PM
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Noted. But the other commenter was making a claim about gendered intrinsic qualities which is what I was asking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 06:55 PM
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What do you believe men's positive intrinsic qualities are that benefit women in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 05:11 PM
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I actually didn’t say that. Here's what you said and what I was responding to: TRP telling you how to make yourself attractive to women is not evidence of loving them! You want something [sex] from them. ...without any qualifiers, modifications, or exceptions. I'm took what you said at face value, which seemed like you were demonizing men for wanting to have sex, but thank you for clarifying. Wanting someone just for sexual gratification is the problem because of all of the potential ills (physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 04:59 PM
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