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Yep. If a man wants to have a healthy, lasting relationship, he needs to "looksmax". This is the 21st century, not the 1950s.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 01:52 AM
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Agreed. The unattractive man who somehow gets a beautiful woman to settle on him is gonna have a very unhappy/unhealthy relationship. High cheating risk, high demands, resentment, constant nagging, high divorce risk, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 10:09 PM
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I predict in the next 15-20 years, we're gonna see a huge spike in body dissatisfaction and "pathological eating patterns" in MEN.... and the mainstream media giving a completely off-base "explanation" of why it's happening (the truth would threaten the mainstream narrative).
/r/BlackPillScience17/08/18 03:43 PM
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Replace "men" with "women" in their comments. See the problem?
/r/MGTOW30/06/18 08:07 PM
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Delusional confidence. She's not really into him. Just a settler or a gold digger.
/r/MGTOW30/06/18 08:06 PM
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The more they encourage bullying and prejudice against the sexual underclass, the WORSE things are gonna get. Guaranteed.
/r/MGTOW30/06/18 08:05 PM
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Enforcing celibacy on the erotic underclass would definitely have socioeconomic repercussions. If that triggered a civil war, I wouldn't be at all surprised.
/r/MGTOW30/06/18 07:51 PM
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Rule 10/ Be precise in your speech This one is especially important when debating with feminists and other hostile parties. They're always looking for ways to twist your words or try to hang you with them.
/r/MGTOW30/06/18 03:48 PM
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friendzoned
/r/MGTOW30/06/18 03:39 PM
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I'm jumping for joy to see the courts finally taking action against these vile cunts. Fucking bitches deserve 20 years, not a slap on the wrist. That said, I can see how this trend will become a major problem for legitimate cases. Girl gets anally sodomized by her stepdad, but she's afraid to report it for fear of going to prison if the police don't buy her story. This is indeed a frustrating puzzle. How can we protect the legitimate victims and still punish the liars?
/r/MGTOW30/06/18 03:35 PM
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"Why would a woman lie about something so horrible as rape". The list of answers is longer than my arm. For far too long, they've had every INCENTIVE to do so. Glad to see the courts finally standing up to this shit.
/r/MGTOW30/06/18 03:23 PM
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It absolutely IS disgusting, and the fucked up part is, most people are sheltered from it. The ugly folks can see the reality if they get past their bluepill programming, but even that is nothing like having lived on both sides of the fence. The true reality becomes too obvious and blatant to ignore. Women really do sell the "non-chads" a false narrative about attraction.
/r/MGTOW29/06/18 09:42 PM
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Give it another 20 years and they're REALLY gonna be whining. Too many men not participating in the sexual marketplace = inevitable socioeconomic collapse.
/r/MGTOW29/06/18 12:21 PM
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The real cause? Women's increasingly unrealistic standards.
/r/MGTOW29/06/18 12:13 PM
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"Therapy" is far more political than medical.
/r/MGTOW29/06/18 12:09 PM
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If I wanted a prostitute, I'd call an escort service.
/r/MGTOW29/06/18 12:07 PM
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Racism and sexism is only wrong if it's against certain groups. Terrible thing to say, isn't it? That's what the Left believes, and they don't even realize it.
/r/MGTOW28/06/18 02:29 PM
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Damn right! High divorce rates, cheating, lack of affection, HIGH DEMANDS (guy must compensate for the lack of attraction), constant nagging/drama, resentment, game playing, etc. If the "tingle" she has for you isn't the same tingle she has for Chad, there's no way that relationship can ever be a happy or healthy one. With women finding 80% of men unattractive, yet dating them anyway, they're basically prostituting themselves. It's no wonder they have so much emotional and psychological baggage,…
/r/MGTOW28/06/18 02:19 PM
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Anyone see the movie Cherry 2000? Remember how, anytime people wanted to have sex, each person had to have a lawyer and draw up a legal contract?
/r/MGTOW28/06/18 02:10 PM
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The West is well on its way to a looks-based caste system. That's been the main goal for feminists all along.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 09:01 PM
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Agreed. Points 2, 3, 4 and 7 are legit, but the rest is PUA/Redpill bullshit.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 08:55 PM
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Bitches be snitches.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 08:37 PM
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Subversion. A classic soviet-era tactic. I find it appalling how successful their campaign has been. Seems to be pretty much the same pattern with any new social media site. Starts out centerist or with libertarian leanings, then once it hits the big time, the left subverts it.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 07:49 PM
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If powerful people behind the scenes were paying them to do this, that would not surprise me at all.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 05:33 PM
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Know what's more dangerous than any of those women? The "raped" women. 90% chance she's not a real victim, but a false accuser. With the exception of ONE person. all the rest of the women I knew who claimed they were "raped" were rabid feminazis, vengeful, abrasive personalities, mentally ill, often drug addicted or alcoholic, etc, etc. Before going monk, I dated around quite a bit, and avoided the "victims" like the plague. On more than one occasion, things would be going great with a woman, bu…
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 03:48 PM
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So reddit was largely against SJW culture/radical left, then everything changed when the big corporations came on board?
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 03:13 PM
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Any woman who marries a guy she doesn't genuinely desire sex with has reduced herself to a dishonest prostitute. If she don't find you "good enough" for just sex alone and nothing else, she absolutely cannot be trusted for commitment.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 01:56 PM
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Here's a dirty little secret: Most of the folks on IT are low-smv males themselves. So many over there admit they are still virgins. I'd say this explains a lot of their hostility - deeply rooted insecurity due to their own shitty love lives.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 01:35 PM
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THAT's supposed to be a healthy relationship?
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 01:17 PM
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Here's some interesting conjecture. In the future, advanced AI designed by women could be far more dangerous. Why? Because they'd probably try to emulate emotions, which gives it the ability to get angry and vengeful. With men's approach, the AI would be emotionless and driven by pure logic. Maybe this is nothing, or maybe I'm on to something, here.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 12:31 PM
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SHE's hiring only men? Must be "internalized misogyny".
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 12:22 PM
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Fuck that noise. If I gotta be this fake asshole persona, I'd rather just lose her.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 11:59 AM
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What an exquisite work of fine art. Beautiful :).
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 11:57 AM
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P-r-o-s-t-i-t-u-t-e. Scratch that. Lower than a prostitute. At least a hooker provides something of value in exchange for your investment.
/r/MGTOW26/06/18 09:01 PM
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Point 2 is particularly powerful. Unless you're Chad yourself, the time, effort and resources required to keep yourself the "better choice" than a good looking guy is downright ridiculous, and the return on such a mammoth investment is miniscule at best. You're paying a premium price for the cow only to get stale milk which is then pitifully rationed once the honeymoon period is over.
/r/MGTOW26/06/18 05:25 PM
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I can help you. Listen up, brother, and listen good. MGTOW is the way, not the incel boards. While they're definitely correct in many ways, their approach to the problem ain't gonna do any good. I lived the incel life up until my late twenties, and I know how it feels. Most folks have never been in that situation and are completely sheltered from understanding why it's as painful as it is. All that said... there are WORSE situations to be in. Yes, I said that, and that's because it's true. Imagi…
/r/MGTOW26/06/18 05:05 PM
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It may be "satire" now, but wait another 10 years, and they'll be dead serious about this. Combine all the different gender relations trends, and it becomes obvious that this is the direction things are headed.
/r/MGTOW26/06/18 04:15 PM
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Eat-Stop-Eat, by Brad Pilon Burn the Fat. Feed The Muscle, by Tom Venuto
/r/MGTOW26/06/18 04:12 PM
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She even lets it slip: "When a guy as old as your father starts hitting on you, it can get real creepy, real fast. It never turns out like Suburban Girl, and so you are better off it. The best thing to say is “I am your daughter’s age, sir. Please leave me alone!” and move on! (Unless, of course, he is George Clooney). "
/r/MGTOW26/06/18 04:05 PM
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Makes perfect sense. 24- 34 is the age range where they start seeking beta providers. And when sexual satisfaction increases with age? That's called cheating on the beta provider with the pool guy.
/r/MGTOW26/06/18 03:58 PM
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...and MeToo'ed 30 years later.
/r/MGTOW26/06/18 03:47 PM
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Then neither is "male". No double standards.
/r/MGTOW25/06/18 04:11 PM
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Far Left as a religion? Damn good point.
/r/MGTOW25/06/18 02:08 PM
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I wasted 15 years of my life on this PUA nonsense. Ridiculous amount of work for far too little reward, and they constantly beat the "looks aren't important" bullshit into your head (and like a fool, I really actually believed it). I left the community out of disgust at the lack of progress despite all the time I had put into it. Took time out of the game to rethink my beliefs and try a radically different approach. Later, I took up bodybuilding, got the teeth fixed, acne treated, contact lenses…
/r/MGTOW25/06/18 10:40 AM
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/r/MGTOW25/06/18 10:03 AM
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/r/MGTOW25/06/18 09:57 AM
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Many women value the social and economic benefits of commitment/marriage more than love, and since the men they ARE sexually attracted to won't commit to them, they're willing to prostitute themselves for it. It's no wonder why there are so many unhappy/unhealthy marriages and relationships.
/r/MGTOW24/06/18 01:04 PM
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How is this going to work on a societal level?? What motivates those "inferior/subhuman" men to work in this society and maintain its progress?? Why would those men get complicated engineering degrees?? Why wouldn't they just get a low paying job with less stress and enjoy a happy mgtow life?? I mean, can't the government see who this is harming society? The sexual market is really going to fuck everything up. Just like I've been saying for years, uncontrolled hypergamy is going to have severe s…
/r/MGTOW24/06/18 12:48 PM
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One of my longtime friends is a marriage counselor. After 20 years in practice, he's seen some disturbing patterns. Nowadays, when he has a private session with the wife, he asks her if she was ever, at any point, sexually attracted to her husband. Apparently, more than half of them answered "no". Think about that. MORE than half of them were never sexually attracted to their husbands at any point in the relationship!
/r/MGTOW24/06/18 12:40 PM
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I've completely lost faith in the political left a long time ago. Stuff like this only reinforces that decision. Black men are getting thrown under the bus by the very party that claims to "care" about us.
/r/MGTOW24/06/18 12:17 PM
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"All (Blacks) are predators and all (whites) are victims." What a nasty thing to say!
/r/MGTOW24/06/18 12:03 PM
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We can thank the "seduction" community for this nonsense. I'll give credit where it's due, though. They DO make passing mention of screening women. Problem is, it's not stressed enough. Screening is THE most important rule of the game. Being direct about what you want and DON'T want works wonders in screening out the settlers, the dinner whores. the "raped" women, the crazies, etc. If that means screening out 99.9999% of the women out there, oh well. Better single and lonely than stuck with a pa…
/r/MGTOW24/06/18 11:41 AM
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Sadly, marriage has become a liability. Not worth the risk.
/r/MGTOW23/06/18 09:14 PM
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Female settling in the attraction department is the reason why BOTH sides cheat. He ain't getting any, so he cheats. She ain't attracted to him, then meets a good looking guy, so she cheats.
/r/MGTOW23/06/18 02:44 PM
2

Knowingly bluepilling your kids is basically psychological abuse.
/r/MGTOW23/06/18 02:36 PM
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Legal prostitution certainly hasn't made Australian women any more attainable to the average guy.
/r/MGTOW23/06/18 02:25 PM
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/r/MGTOW23/06/18 11:44 AM
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Trigglypuffs? lol
/r/MGTOW22/06/18 10:28 AM
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Serious question: Are the people posting this on social media actually women? Seems to me they'd be intelligent enough not to publicly brag about this.
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 03:28 PM
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/r/MGTOW21/06/18 03:22 PM
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A Virtual Boy? We don't see that everyday.
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 03:21 PM
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When my parents divorced, my mom tried to pull this shit. Even at a young age, I knew it was a bunch of lies.
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 03:19 PM
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/r/MGTOW19/06/18 11:58 AM
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/r/MGTOW19/06/18 11:53 AM
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"Crippling loneliness" after just ONE year? Girl, try being an ugly/short/disabled male. That's 10-15 years, easily, and it isn't even voluntary!
/r/MGTOW19/06/18 11:50 AM
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/r/MGTOW19/06/18 11:45 AM
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I watched the video. "Everyone saw that you hit me"? Wow. You can tell she's played that tactic many times before. It's automatic. She did that without even thinking about it.
/r/MGTOW19/06/18 08:26 AM
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Men who don't participate in the sexual marketplace (and those who've been excluded from it) have no stake in society, and no incentive to contribute. The labor participation rates WILL get worse over time, and it will be interesting to see how the media spins it.
/r/MGTOW18/06/18 03:31 PM
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/r/MGTOW18/06/18 12:38 PM
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The Powers That Be have good reason to be afraid of the manosphere. The economy needs consumer spending to sustain itself. Men who drop out of the sexual marketplace and refuse to marry don't spend much. No more spending money to support/entertain one's children. No more spending money to "keep the wife happy". No more money spent on divorce lawyers. No more alimony payments for the ex to spend. No more buying a bigger house or fancier car than you actually need, to "attract" some materialistic …
/r/MGTOW18/06/18 12:27 PM
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Welcome to the club. I fucked some real nasties in my time. Compared to the creature I lost my virginity to, the girl in the OP is a paragon of beauty.
/r/MGTOW18/06/18 12:03 PM
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Confusing MGTOW with the radical fringes of the incel faction. Typical.
/r/MGTOW18/06/18 04:58 AM
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/r/MGTOW17/06/18 04:16 PM
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Half of them are that way because they're both physically unappealing AND POOR. That's a deadly combination. Too ugly/short to trigger genuine attraction, and too poor to "attract" a settler or gold digger who would otherwise "overlook" his appearance. Many others are physically disabled, have cerebral palsy, etc. Physical shortcomings absolutely do hurt a man's chances, and in many cases, quite severely. Nowadays, even the Redpillers are starting to admit this: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePil…
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 02:40 PM
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We're on the same side. I'm against SJWs and their assault on free speech. That's why I mentioned poisoning the well.
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 02:01 PM
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Don't knock it. It works.
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 01:57 PM
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The incel forums already have a term for it. MarCel.
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 09:05 AM
1

My crystal ball says there will be a sudden spike in the popularity of old and retro games ;).
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 09:01 AM
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They ruined a favorite treat for me. Used to looooove french dip sandwiches piled high with sliced beef. Now anytime I eat one, I think of bad personal hygiene lol.
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 08:31 AM
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Apparently, this kind of behavior in women isn't just being reported more, but actually IS rising. http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/why-are-so-many-female-teachers-sleeping-students
/r/MGTOW16/06/18 06:42 PM
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It's "sex" when a woman does it, and "RAAAAAAAAYPE!" when a man does it.
/r/MGTOW16/06/18 06:37 PM
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The overwhelming majority of women who claim to be turned on by any other man than the proverbial "Chad" are dishonest, virtue signalling, conniving, gold digging, settling whores. Settlers and gold diggers use the "less visual" myth as a means to extract naive men's resources. Guys, if a girl you're dating says looks "aren't that important" that's a MAJOR red flag!
/r/MGTOW16/06/18 06:30 PM
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Deal with them? No thanks. Not in today's environment. The dating game has become so toxic that fear overrides the sex drive. How bad have things gotten when a MAN can say that and actually mean it?
/r/MGTOW16/06/18 05:06 PM
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A woman with higher integrity and character than her would earn that money, one hour at a time...bareback greek, BBBJ, BBFS, MSOG, DFK, GFE, etc.
/r/MGTOW16/06/18 07:53 AM
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At every new job, I let it be known that I'm "gay". Passing mention of "long-distance boyfriend", etc. Whatever it takes to convince the women I'm 100% homosexual. It works like a charm. Women don't try to manipulate me like they do the other guys, nor do they assume every interaction I have with them is with sexual intent. Also, being part of a protected minority means I'm less likely to get fucked over by the management. Going "gay" in the workplace takes guts to pull off and can be awkward at…
/r/MGTOW16/06/18 07:46 AM
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The smartest women know the end result of feminism's unstated end goal. The rest are too short sighted and blinded by anger to realize that their planned "sexual utopia" will be the downfall of technological civilization.
/r/MGTOW16/06/18 06:48 AM
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The Manipulated Man. Supposedly feminists tried to burn all existing copies of the book.
/r/MGTOW16/06/18 04:32 AM
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The sheeple will believe anything if you slap the label "science" on it. People don't realize how easy it is to rig an experiment, fudge the statistics, etc, to give the results you want. Also, the peer-review process isn't immune to peer PRESSURE and politics.
/r/MGTOW15/06/18 03:39 PM
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Remember reading about black men not being allowed to look at a white woman back in the old days? Well, history is repeating itself......
/r/MGTOW15/06/18 03:32 PM
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All this "white male" bashing by the left is what's causing the rise of the alt-right.
/r/MGTOW15/06/18 09:51 AM
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Interesting quote: "I am sure she suffered terribly — her descriptions in Brave of Weinstein's ugliness spare no pockmarked detail, but surely it shouldn't have mattered what he looked like?"
/r/MGTOW15/06/18 08:52 AM
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If I wanted a glorified prostitute with a shitty attitude, I'd call a low-end escort service.
/r/MGTOW14/06/18 03:38 PM
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Oh I totally get it lol. Thing is, this guy was otherwise very blue pilled in many ways. In no way identified as mgtow, redpill or pua, but just a run-of-the-mill normal guy. Was very surprised that anything like this would come out of his mouth. As for hygiene issues, most of the girls I knew took good care of themselves, but those who didn't...ugh! Talk about a boner killer. Nothing like the smell of unwashed ass wafting up while you're doing her from behind.
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 06:12 PM
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So slowly it was changed culturally to where a man that doesn't totally trust his girlfriend in all situations is controlling and insecure Cultural gaslighting. Men today have damn good reason not to trust their girlfriends. It's not "insecurity" at all. It's reality.
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 02:03 PM
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"Settle for that male friend you aren't physically attracted to". Women have already been doing this for generations, and what's the result? Resentment, high demands to compensate for the lack of sexual desire, lack of affection, sexless marriage, constant nagging, high divorce risk, game playing, excessive shit tests, etc, etc.
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 02:00 PM
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/r/MGTOW13/06/18 09:44 AM
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Things are so fucked up nowadays that I can't tell if this is real or a LARP. Women have always cried "rape" for BS reasons, though. If they're really actually becoming this open about it, that's fucking scary!
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 09:37 AM
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She needs 9 inches of dick just for 4 inches of action. Ever notice most size queens are fatties?
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 01:57 AM
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She'll fuck AF for free, but charge BB his firstborn for table scraps.
/r/MGTOW11/06/18 06:53 PM
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If she was actually sexually attracted to her boyfriend, she wouldn't be whining about the size of that damn ring. Can't stand settlers. Dishonest, demanding, two-faced, etc. If she had any integrity, she wouldn't be prostituting herself for commitment in the first place.
/r/MGTOW11/06/18 01:18 PM
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Typical settler's attitude. Married a guy she was never sexually attracted to in the first place, so she resents him and picks him apart behind his back. His being "vanilla" and "boring" are NOT the real reason she's cheating on him, guaranteed.
/r/MGTOW11/06/18 02:17 AM
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"Why do people find it funny that I want to find a fit WOMAN with a hot body even though I'm FAT" See the problem?
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 11:08 PM
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Simply put, civilization isn't sustainable without a balanced sexual marketplace. The sexual have-nots have no stake in society and no incentive to cooperate.
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 01:45 AM
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Replace the word "men" with "blacks" or "jews", and imagine how well THAT article would go over with the public.
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 01:36 AM
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This is just over-the-top virtue signalling and a major, major red flag. The women who claim looks aren't important are typically opportunists, gold diggers, settlers looking to entrap a beta provider, or trying to sell you bullshit "dating advice" (looking at you, Kezia Noble).
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 01:13 AM
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Honestly, people with low SMV are better off staying single if they can't find what they're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 09:28 AM
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Yeah, that's pretty much how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 09:24 AM
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For every man who has 3 wives, 2 men won't have one. That's the jist of the problem right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 09:19 AM
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Teach men that women are just as visual as men, and dramatically increase physical education requirements. Make "extracurricular" sports mandatory. And in gym class, grade them on their performance. No more of this weak pass/fail stuff. If that skinny, weak dork wants to maintain his 4.0 grade average to get into an elite college or whatever, he better get his ass in shape. Punish obesity and low muscle mass. Force guys to take care of their bodies and become sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 09:15 AM
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I, too, don't like the idea of "forced monogamy". It's far better to stay single than be with a woman who is either forced to be with you or merely settles for you. Mutual attraction and raw desire is critically important for a happy and healthy relationship or marriage. Without it, a man can look forward to resentment, high demands, cheating, lack of affection, constant nagging/drama, game playing, etc. Those incels and other types who want to "throw women back in the kitchen" clearly have no i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 09:03 AM
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"Virgin" shaming is such a joke. Some of the most straight up BLACK-pilled guys I've ever met were "chads". They knew enough to keep their views quiet and hidden when in female company, but in private and among close friends, they'd say shit that would give the feminists a heart attack.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 02:18 PM
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I'd do exactly the same. Fuck white knighting. I'm more concerned about MY welfare than hers.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 05:11 AM
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Leave it to the commies to black/brown-wash everything lol.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 05:09 AM
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Male feminists are MORE likely to be sexual predators.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 05:06 AM
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Gamergate 2.0, when?
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 04:58 AM
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Exactly. A legally-enforced caste system based on sexual attractiveness.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 04:57 AM
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They're so emotionally fragile that any of them left alive would commit suicide.
/r/MGTOW06/06/18 11:51 PM
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I play along with it. They're fun to mess with lol. Really wanna see them squirm? Call her a homophobe. Usually, though, if I know a girl I'm not interested in is trying to get with me, I act preemptively before anything gets to that point, letting it slip ahead of time that I'm "gay", or make a passing mention of "my boyfriend". Women use the "my boyfriend" line all the time because it WORKS. Avoids unnecessary awkwardness.
/r/MGTOW05/06/18 10:11 PM
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She says "Women can't be sexist". Where have we heard similar BS before? Blacks can't be racist. Atheists can't be creedist. Ugly people can't be lookist. Disabled folks can't be ableist. Such absurd sjw logic.
/r/MGTOW05/06/18 07:42 AM
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As long as we keep the psychos and blatant misogynists out, we're good. Incels are young folks in the anger phase, and the whole vibe of those places is geared toward the younger mindset. Most will grow out of that radicalized mindset and mellow out with age, and I'm in favor of welcoming them when they do.
/r/MGTOW05/06/18 07:36 AM
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/r/MGTOW05/06/18 07:24 AM
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Won't be long before "social justice" implodes under the weight of its own absurdity.
/r/MGTOW05/06/18 07:18 AM
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Woah! Check this shit out. Ebay seller mentions MGTOW in his ad: https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Realistic-5-4-Life-Sized-Lifelike-Sex-Doll-Adult-Toy-For-Men-MGTOW/272985492237?hash=item3f8f340b0d:g:O-EAAOSwyP5aNSq0 Just thought that was interesting.
/r/MGTOW05/06/18 07:15 AM
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The only way these things would spread STI's is if they were used in brothels.
/r/MGTOW05/06/18 07:12 AM
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/r/MGTOW05/06/18 07:09 AM
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Blame the vocal and psychotic minority. Most incels are that way because of their looks or height, but those who are that way because they're batshit fucking crazy are getting all the media attention.
/r/MGTOW05/06/18 06:55 AM
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I KNEW this double standard was coming. Glorifying female incel killers. This is only the beginning. Mark my words.
/r/MGTOW04/06/18 10:28 PM
15

Smart people don't go around saying how smart they are. Tolerant people don't go around saying how tolerant they are. Women who aren't crazy bitchy gold diggers don't feel the need to say they're not crazy bitchy gold diggers. So, if she says she isn't, she IS.
/r/MGTOW04/06/18 10:17 PM
4

I stopped taking the 9s and 10s seriously when I fixed my looks and started dating them. Half of them are straight up gold diggers looking to cheat on their beta boyfriends. Not settlers. Gold. Diggers. If she's dating an ugly guy, I lose all respect for her right then and there.
/r/MGTOW04/06/18 09:56 PM
9

You're absolutely right. It's disgusting. Commitment and marriage in the West is way overpriced. She gives away the prime quality goods for free, then wants to charge YOU a king's ransom for used goods, unenthusiastic, infrequent sex and the shitty attitude that comes with the realization that she merely settled for you. Fuck that! If any man is crazy enough to get married in the West, he should never pursue anything serious with a woman that wasn't just a casual booty call FIRST. If she doesn't…
/r/MGTOW04/06/18 09:28 PM
1

Simply put, they don't bother to take a step back and think.
/r/MGTOW04/06/18 02:04 PM
1

It's gonna keep getting worse. Just wait until Generation Z comes of age. Despite the fact that women can now support themselves and are able to pick a mate solely based on chemistry and physical attraction, you still have a lot of GenX'ers and older on the dating market who cling to old-world values when selecting a man. With the younger generation coming up, we'll be seeing significantly less settling behavior and more of them staying single if they can't hook a chad. This is going to create a…
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 03:31 PM
1

It only takes a vocal, very dedicated minority to change the overall culture. Homosexuals are a prime example. They're something like 10 or less percent of the population.
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 03:07 PM
8

The majority of TRP posters are LARP'ing their success in order to fit in with the group. I guarantee it. When I was in the PUA community, this behavior was rampant. I've seen it firsthand dozens of times. PUAs I met in real life did very poorly in the clubs, daygame, etc, but reading their forum posts gave the impression that they were far more successful.
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 02:49 PM
1

There is something seriously WRONG with that guy! "Innocent" my ass.
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 02:42 PM
4

...and bring your OWN condoms. Never use hers, because there's a chance they've been tampered with.
/r/MGTOW02/06/18 04:35 PM
3

Just 10 years ago, you'd NEVER have seen an article like this outside of the manosphere. Looks like we're making progress, dudes :).
/r/MGTOW02/06/18 04:33 PM
1

There you have it, guys. She's blatantly saying settle for a guy you're not sexually attracted to.
/r/MGTOW02/06/18 03:55 PM
2

With sex, there's at least something attractive about you as a person. With money, it's purely just a transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:55 PM
4

Women are never this apologetic with an ugly or short fellow.
/r/MGTOW01/06/18 08:24 PM
1

It would be very insulting/humiliating, but still more validating than no attention at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 07:47 PM
1

People tend to conflate "sluts" with gold diggers. Nothing wrong with women who have sex with men they're sexually attracted to. It's the women who have sex with men they're NOT sexually attracted to (and try to pass it off as "attraction") that we don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 07:42 PM
16

Good lord, how entitled and narcissistic can a person get?
/r/MGTOW31/05/18 05:59 AM
2

Exposing someone to HIV no longer a felony? WTF?!?
/r/MGTOW31/05/18 05:52 AM
3

"Eroded their advantages" LMAO! Gotta love how they reframe and twist things to suit their narrative. This article is damage control. They see people are getting pissed, so they're gonna pull any dirty trick they can to explain away all the inconsistencies in the narrative.
/r/MGTOW30/05/18 11:32 PM
2

Hello, fellow retro gaming fan :). Old games bring back so many fond memories. The games of today just don't hit me like the old stuff.
/r/MGTOW30/05/18 11:28 PM
2

Yep. Money. Corporate interests. This isn't talked about enough, IMHO. Political correctness mainly benefits businesses. Gotta keep things PC to keep that money flowing in. It just so happens that we live in a society run by corporations, so what benefits the corporate world becomes social norms.
/r/MGTOW30/05/18 11:25 PM
7

Oh but of course. Acknowledging the real reason would mean discrediting the PC narrative.
/r/MGTOW30/05/18 06:03 AM
5

They always blame everything but bullying/social ostracism. There's an old saying that I think is quite relevant to this subject: The child not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.
/r/MGTOW30/05/18 06:01 AM
2

Only 13.7% chance it lasts 10 years? WOW!
/r/MGTOW30/05/18 02:41 AM
1

...and I'll say the same thing I said the last time this was posted....Time for us to start identifying as non-binary :). Let's steal a slice of that delicious Oppression Privilege pie and expose the SJWs' hypocrisy.
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 12:36 PM
2

There's a difference between sluts and whores. Slut: Fucks men she's sexually attracted to. Whore: Fucks a man she's NOT sexually attracted to, and tries to pass it off as "genuine" attraction. Most "good girls" are dishonest prostitutes. In short, I have far more respect for the girl who gives it away for free than the one who settles for a guy and charges him dearly for it.
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 12:21 PM
6

Very important point you made. Surprised it isn't upvoted more.
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 12:13 PM
13

She married a guy she was sexually attracted to. No surprise things are going well....for now, that is. Marriage is not a wise decision, but if a man absolutely must take the gamble, then weeding out the settlers will minimize the risks.
/r/MGTOW28/05/18 07:36 PM
43

Once she feels she has you locked down, her REAL level of attraction to you reveals itself. Lots of settling whores out there. The "attraction" she had for the guy was nothing other than a bait-and-switch scam.
/r/MGTOW28/05/18 07:33 PM
8

Time to start identifying as Non-Binary, then. Easy way to steal a piece of the Minority Privilege pie and expose society's hypocrisy :).
/r/MGTOW28/05/18 05:35 PM
2

The lazy frogs on the couch really hits home. A perfect picture of what happens when young men no longer see any incentive to participate in the sexual marketplace/cultural life script.
/r/MGTOW28/05/18 05:25 PM
8

Exactly what I been saying for years to men still on the market. If you're gonna play the game, the only women worth a damn are those who require MINIMAL investment. If you gotta bust your ass to get with her, or she requires a high degree of wealth/status before she'll give you her attention, her "attraction" to you is of the settling/opportunistic kind.
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 09:44 PM
17

The sex doll market is gonna explode....
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 09:36 PM
5

Exactly what I been saying for years. Feminism and bluepill thought is a CORPORATE-backed creation, distributed through corporate-funded mass media and "supported" by flawed statistics and biased, corporate-funded "studies".
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 12:16 AM
1

Women are so spoiled for options today that they'll move on at the flimsiest inconvenience. A sign of "weakness" is an inconvenience to them.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 10:31 AM
22

Yeah, it's pretty scary. Settlers are poison, and the fool who goes along with it clearly has no idea what he's getting himself into. Resentment, high demands (has to make up for his looks), cheating, lack of affection, constant nagging, high divorce risk, sexless marriage, etc. She'll change from a nice girl to a total bitch once she feels secure in the relationship and her true level of attraction to him reveals itself.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 09:00 AM
0

I hate "slut" shaming, and here's why: So-called "sluts" are generally more honest and true to themselves. If she wants to fuck a guy solely because she's horny for him, ain't a damn thing wrong with that. What I have a problem with are people who fuck someone they're NOT sexually attracted to and try to pass it off as "genuine" interest. Now THAT is shameful behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 11:41 PM
1

Tried that before and vowed NEVER to do that again. It hurts people. Better to stay alone than settle for someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 11:36 PM
2

Women make their own money and can support themselves. They no longer have to prostitute themselves just to have a decent quality of life. Being with someone you're sexually attracted to is no longer a luxury only afforded to men. As the younger generations come of age, this trend will become more obvious. Right now we have the older generations who still cling to outdated norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 11:31 PM
2

The danger I'm seeing nowadays is conflating all guys who can't get a date with misogynists and nazis. Rejected all the time? Unsatisfied with your physical appearance? 30 year old virgin? "You must be a horrid person". I don't see that trend ending any other way but badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 11:18 PM
3

Agreed. It's human nature. Neither gender is "more virtuous" than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 10:41 PM
2

For every new "MeToo", that means more men wake up.
/r/MGTOW24/05/18 08:15 PM
16

....and women will be very selective in who gets accused. They're basically using the legal system to create a lookist caste system. Who do you think is gonna be most affected by this? Ugly guys. Short guys. Disabled guys. Old guys. The least affected? The tall, good looking dudes.
/r/MGTOW24/05/18 03:17 AM
7

The most potent weapon of the feminazis is a man's dick. Not their cunts. Not their propaganda. Not their bullshit laws. Men's dicks. Idiots thinking with the little head. Once enough of us stop playing their games, their gravy train will grind to a halt. Their privilege bubble will burst.
/r/MGTOW23/05/18 12:03 PM
22

Anything that contradicts the "women are angels and helpless victims" narrative gets called "misogyny".
/r/MGTOW23/05/18 11:44 AM
0

Good idea. Needs fleshing out, though. Something like this would drive their behavior underground, so we'd have to find ways to account for THAT. Always gotta stay a step ahead of them and close those loopholes.
/r/MGTOW23/05/18 11:39 AM
22

Still less risky than marriage.
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 09:47 PM
1

Good to know I wasn't the only one who caught that.
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 05:07 PM
3

Too lazy to make her own money and would rather reduce herself to a prostitute.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 11:51 PM
2

Haha that last comment was hilarious. She CAN'T be serious. No, I don't believe she's really that stupid. She's trolling.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 11:48 PM
14

The only thing that's gonna save western civilization is realistic sexbots. If they ban them, they can kiss their children and grandchildren's future goodbye. Too many low-SV males with nothing to lose and no incentive to participate in the SMV will decimate the economy.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 11:38 PM
7

That doesn't matter, though. Whoever did it was bang-on correct. The reaction by women themselves proves that.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 11:25 PM
-2

Hell yeah. This is how it _should_ be. Personally, I wouldn't want to be with someone who didn't actually _want_ it. Society conditions women to commodify themselves and distance themselves from their sexuality when seeking commitment, which is terrible for BOTH genders. This conditioning is a huge hidden factor in why so many marriages and relationships are so unhealthy - cheating, sexless marriages, resentment, game playing, high demands (he's expected to make up for the lack of attraction), h…
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 08:13 PM
5

Sticky this. That article is required reading for all the young guys new to MGTOW, or those who've had their head filled with bullshit PUA philosophy. Women are only "less visual" in a commodified, pragmatic way, not in the heartfelt way we want to believe.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 08:01 PM
16

Good point. I've been lurking there for years. Here's what really hit me. How many of you remember that "ugly creepy guys" rant that went viral a few years back? Somebody posted it over there and they went nuts. It got something like 700 upvotes and they were supporting/agreeing with it. Then the mods deleted the OP and the vast majority of comments. They obviously didn't want that kind of truth getting out because it would ruin their narrative. Word for word, the mods' message said it "made the…
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 07:54 PM
3

I think it's actually a smart idea. A bland opener weeds out those who don't have a _strong_ interest. Anyone whose on the fence about it ain't worth the work.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 07:43 PM
6

I prefer to cook it myself. Cooking is fun. I don't want kids I don't mind doing my own laundry. Besides, someday they'll make a robot that can do that. "Making a home" isn't something I value. A home is just a place to hang your hat and be sheltered from the elements. What I value in life lies OUTSIDE the home. The one thing I value above everything else is personal safety, and women today are too damn dangerous. Piss her off for ANY reason, she'll MeToo your ass. Plus sperm thieves and all kin…
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 07:37 PM
1

Sexual compatibility is far more important to healthy long-term relationships than many of us ever thought. YES! Absolutely. It's not just DB's either. What else happens when people settle in that department? High divorce risk, cheating, constant nagging, resentment, high demands (to compensate for the sexual shortcomings), game playing, etc.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 06:57 PM
8

While that graph is exaggerated right now, just wait until Generation Z comes of age. Things are about to get....interesting.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 01:13 AM
1

Vivaldi - Four Seasons - Spring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LAPFM3dgag Tchaikovsky - Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rapf3g_XvCc Gustav Holst - The Planets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isic2Z2e2xs 2001: Space Odyssey Soundtrack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osuD6Kpw2AA
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 06:24 AM
15

This is why I don't take their "objectification" whining seriously. That's just a political game they're playing. The real motive is they're afraid of losing their beta providers and favor boys. Most "chads" ain't gonna buy one of those things. The majority of people buying those things will be the men they're NOT sexually attracted to, the same guys they thrive on exploiting.
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 06:09 AM
2

The incel's undesirable behavior is firmly rooted in profound sadness and feelings of worthlessness. If any of these people want to get rid of the incel problem, they damn well better understand that, otherwise any "solution" they propose is just gonna backfire.
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 05:56 AM
7

Mary a prince, get the king of all alimony checks. That bitch hit the jackpot lol.
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 05:45 AM
10

Fuck using the bathroom, I'd like to stand there and piss on that sign.
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 05:43 AM
6

Thanks for sharing. Seriously. That's good to know.
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 10:22 PM
9

Women who date men they're not sexually attracted to reduce themselves to a prostitute.
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 06:06 PM
1

Mike Pence Rule, folks. If that means women lose mentorships and career opportunities, tough shit. Can't have it both ways, ladies. A man has to protect himself from FALSE ACCUSERS.
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 03:21 PM
3

Fuck that shit. This was exactly my mom's attitude while growing up. Such bull. My Dad was an awesome guy. Way better parent than my mom ever was. One of the smartest decisions I ever made was moving out of my mom's house and living with him as a kid. HE straightened me out and undid all the psychological/emotional damage my mom did to me. HE was the one who helped me learn how to drive, how to study, etc. HE was the one who beat into me the values of self reliance and business ownership. HE was…
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 01:35 PM
3

Damn near EVERY SINGLE school shooter is a bullied, ostracized kid, yet the media continues to blame "guns" and put lives at risk because acknowledging the truth would poke holes in the standard narrative.
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 01:25 PM
2

Just more whining from fat chicks trying to get with dudes way out of their league.
/r/MGTOW18/05/18 05:00 AM
61

Women whine about men being "entitled" to sex, but then turn around and act like THIS? LMAO!
/r/MGTOW18/05/18 02:42 AM
2

This is what happens when you think you can "earn" a woman's attraction.
/r/MGTOW17/05/18 11:15 PM
3

...and it's gonna KEEP getting lower no matter what they try to do about it, because they will never consider any solution that doesn't jive with the standard narrative. Between the rise of MGTOW, worsening hypergamy, and the growing exclusion of ugly/short guys from the sexual marketplace, gee, I "wonder" what could go wrong...
/r/MGTOW17/05/18 09:47 PM
1

Women definitely don't want men to figure them out, because otherwise they wouldn't be able to exploit beta males for their resources.
/r/MGTOW17/05/18 05:59 PM
18

Maybe the increase in sedentary lifestyles and lack of physical activity?
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 09:50 PM
2

Exactly. It's very unwise to conflate pragmatism with sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 06:33 PM
3

One problem I have with TRP is that it doesn't work for omega males - guys who are really short, facially ugly or physically disabled. Lifting and game can only carry a guy so far. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/79qz1e/discussion_trp_advice_will_only_get_men_from_2510/ https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5h0437/the_red_pill_is_aimed_at_beta_guys_sorry_dear/ ...like one of the top commenters said, TRP can only help him become an "effective beta bux" at best. No ge…
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 06:19 PM
6

I'm all for it, but also think it's good to stick around and be a good influence on the younger folks. I found MGTOW at a young age, and found the most benefit from the older guys' posts.
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 05:34 PM
2

Of course. MGTOW isn't a club. It's called going YOUR OWN way :).
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 05:20 PM
3

Keep in mind that the MSM is conflating us with incels ON PURPOSE. MGTOW philosophy is far more dangerous to corporate profits than boner raging domestic terrorists would ever be. Just ask yourself this: WHO is buying bigger houses than they need? WHO is buying the engagement rings, jewels and precious metals? WHO is buying the fancier clothes? WHO is buying the fancier cars? WHO is buying the vacation packages? WHO is feeding the wedding and divorce industries? Men who participate in the sexual…
/r/MGTOW15/05/18 09:03 PM
8

They all look like submissive little gay bottoms lol. I'm not surprised at all.
/r/MGTOW15/05/18 08:56 PM
2

The problems faced by the beautiful pale in comparison to what the ugly and disabled have to put up with. The Beautiful People aren't the ones who talk about killing themselves because of the way they're treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 08:16 PM
3

Attraction cannot be "created" where none exists previously. People who claim otherwise are either virtue signalling, trying to rationalize the fact that they settled, or trying to sell you their "dating advice". Listen up, dude. Personality, character, mind, etc don't actually trigger sexual attraction, and money/status without sufficient physical attraction only "attracts" settlers and other opportunists. If she isn't immediately physically attracted to you, she's not a good fit for anything m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 05:35 PM
6

Women no longer need to marry in order to have a decent quality of life. They can support themselves. As a result, they're more free to chose a partner they're genuinely sexually attracted to. That leaves short guys, ugly guys and disabled guys with little chance of finding a mate unless they're wealthy enough to "attract" someone with ulterior motives. Leftover males are the inevitable result of the new sexual marketplace, and this trend will become far more pronounced as the women of Generatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 12:15 AM
2

Just say "sorry you're not my type". Don't bother trying to be "nice" about it, because desperate guys will only see that as an opportunity to keep pushing. He's gonna find out the truth one way or another, and he'll be far less likely to get creepy or violent if he doesn't feel like he's been strung along or played. Keep it short and firm.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 12:06 AM
6

Virtue signalling exposed :).
/r/MGTOW14/05/18 11:17 PM
3

Women that put up with men who treat them like shit. She's the female equivalent of the male simp who lets her walk all over him just because she's hotter than anyone else he's been with.
/r/MGTOW14/05/18 11:14 PM
44

LMAO! The nerd doesn't become "sexier", just opportune.
/r/MGTOW14/05/18 11:11 PM
1

It's crazy how things are getting these days.
/r/MGTOW14/05/18 11:08 PM
18

TRP and PUA's effectiveness is grossly exaggerated. That stuff doesn't work for ugly folks. Lifting, holding frame and playing mind games can only carry a guy so far.
/r/MGTOW14/05/18 10:16 PM
3

Western civilization's days are numbered, that's for sure.
/r/MGTOW14/05/18 09:21 PM
8

WOW! That shit's just straight up abuse!
/r/MGTOW14/05/18 03:54 AM
3

The aftermath of WW3 is gonna be interesting, especially if there's a draft. So many physically attractive young men are gonna get killed, while most incels are too weak or too low-IQ to even qualify as useful cannon fodder, so they get to stay home. All those leftover males aren't exactly gonna be enthusiastic about rebuilding a society that rejected them in the first place.
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 06:18 PM
12

I love this guy. lol
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 06:09 PM
1

Here's another one: Father's day is the day with the most collect calls.
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 06:05 PM
2

How much you wanna bet this girl is way out of his league? Would he put up with this if she was heavy?
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 06:03 PM
2

Now that this "too drunk to consent" crap is affecting women, THIS is their response? Interesting.
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 05:58 PM
1

LMAO!
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 05:55 PM
1

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/r/MGTOW12/05/18 04:26 PM
81

If she's underage, it's likely a setup by some vigilante group.
/r/MGTOW12/05/18 04:19 PM
4

You're lucky, kid. If MGTOW was around when I was 14, it would've saved me a lot of pain and heartache. Bit of advice...stay away from the PUAs, the Redpill, and stay faaaaar away from the InCel forums. Out of all the different manosphere groups, MGTOW is the smartest path. Chasing pussy isn't a smart idea anymore. Women today are throwing false "rape" claims for the flimsiest reasons, and now they're pushing the idea that regret is rape, where she can "withdraw consent" a day AFTER it happened!
/r/MGTOW12/05/18 04:14 PM
3

For sex dolls? NO! Too many fakes and factory rejects being sold on ebay. I recommend RealLoveSexDolls.com. You'll pay more, but you'll be getting the real deal.
/r/MGTOW11/05/18 04:54 PM
1

"Sexuality Expert: Parents Need to Ask Babies Permission to Change Diapers" LMAO!
/r/MGTOW11/05/18 05:05 AM
4

First it's air conditioners, now buildings, and in 2020 it'll be oxygen.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 09:58 PM
25

The "man drought" is BS. Plenty of good guys out there. They're just not "hot" enough, not tall enough, or not rich enough for her to overlook the lack of sexual attraction.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 09:55 PM
7

The only solid advice TRP gives is to lift, dress well and take good care of your skin/hair. "Game" is largely bullshit. I spent over 15 years actively involved in the PUA community and can tell you the "results" are grossly exaggerated and mispresented online.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 09:39 PM
40

A large chunk of them were n-e-v-e-r sexually attracted to the man they married. Deceitful, settling whores.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 09:35 PM
9

The way women treat ugly/short guys these days, it's no wonder they're so angry and unhinged.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 09:26 PM
17

They definitely do. Lot of thirsty and desperate men out their thinking with their dicks instead of the big head.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 09:17 PM
5

Gonna be interesting to see what society does in response to plummeting marriage rates. The wedding and divorce industries ain't gonna like what's coming.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 09:16 PM
2

It just so happens a large percentage of men in the STEM trades are low in the sexual attraction hierarchy. Once enough of them wake up, we're in for some very interesting times indeed.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 07:00 PM
1

In 2150, the world will either be reasonably prosperous, or a nuclear wasteland. How we handle the rising worldwide problem of leftover males will determine which direction history takes.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 03:52 PM
1

The only reason people are getting them confused is because the media is INTENTIONALLY conflating the two. MGTOW philosophy is a far greater threat to corporate profits than domestic terrorism. They NEED women to be materialistic whores and men to be ignorant johns in order to keep the corporate machine running.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 03:43 PM
5

Why would a guy beg, pester or manipulate a girl for pussy, anyway? If she isn't horny for you, she ain't into you, period. Find someone else.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 03:14 PM
2

Women's own actions and nature makes this inevitable. They can whine, threaten, cajole or shame all they want, but that will prove fruitless for them because what they DO tells the real story.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 03:01 PM
43

you DO NOT like your picture taken. I clam up every time someone points a camera at me. Very uncomfortable. Especially when female friends and girlfriends do it, because you just know they're gonna plaster that shit all over their social media for everyone to comment on. Feels very invasive.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 02:50 PM
2

...and bots, fleshlights, VR headsets,...and very, very angry feminists ;).
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 02:03 PM
2

The only guy willing to put up with her worst is the beta she settles for, and he'll never get "her best". That honor goes to "Chad".
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 01:08 AM
2

YIKES! Who hurt this woman growing up? I know pain when I see it. This kind of deep seated hatred doesn't come from a vacuum.
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 04:40 PM
2

Incels: Young age, radical, angry/hateful, often on the autistic spectrum, usually have no dating experience, lots of shitposting intended to shock/offend. Goal: revolution or "beta uprising" MGTOW: Older, moderate, peaceful, normal social skills, usually divorced or have prior dating experience, generally more serious/intelligent content. Goal: Just drop out of the game and find meaning in other areas of life, hence "Going Their Own Way". Both groups know they've been lied to about the nature o…
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 03:21 PM
40

Going Monk is the logical end result for anyone who ain't got their head up their ass. Doesn't matter if it's a PUA/Redpiller, regular average Joe, an incel or a "Chad", at some point, a man has to realize the only winning move is not to play.
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 03:04 PM
5

Offensive speech is what needs to be protected the most, otherwise there is no free speech. These women who claim the "right not to be offended" are fucking dangerous.
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 02:56 PM
2

Do you think J Howard Marshall believed Anna Nicole Smith found him attractive? There are guys out there who are just that naive. I've seen people actually try to argue something similar.
/r/MGTOW08/05/18 07:15 PM
8

In other words, "attractive" only in a pragmatic sense. Not in a sexual or romantic way.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 05:33 PM
2

Time to start investing in sex doll/bot companies, because they're gonna be seeing rapid growth over the coming years. Even "chads" are gonna start buying them in droves, and that's no joke. Fucking real women is getting too damn risky, and that's only gonna keep getting worse. "Keep it in your pants" isn't merely moral advice anymore. It's solid LEGAL advice!
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 04:17 PM
21

Very telling how "creep" is always associated with sexual things. The underlying, unspoken, but very clear message is, "don't be unattractive". Women nowadays have effectively created a lookist caste system.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 03:49 PM
4

Only Chad or Chad-Lite. Everybody else gotta pay....for less.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 03:36 PM
3

Was this written by a dude trying to make women look bad, or was this really written by a woman? These days, I can't tell the difference anymore.
/r/MGTOW06/05/18 09:14 PM
30

You need an 9 inch dick just to clear through all that FAT and reach the pussy.
/r/MGTOW06/05/18 09:09 PM
26

I hope to God she’s not trying to manipulate your daughter against you. THIS! After my parents split up, my mom turned my sister against my dad, and even well into adulthood, she still had hard feelings. To this day, my sister still remains clueless about how she got played as a pawn for my mon's bullshit games.
/r/MGTOW06/05/18 05:17 PM
1

All this negative attention the incels are getting is just gonna make the problem more dangerous. It almost feels like they're intentionally poking the bear, trying to trigger more terrorist attacks, so those in power can use that as an opportunity to write more laws on the books that further erode away everyone's rights and freedoms.
/r/MGTOW06/05/18 05:07 PM
2

There's a reason women never panicked when "game" became mainstream. It pushes the same Big Lie that women seek to benefit from - "women are less visual than men". What makes an unattractive man easier to exploit for resources? Delusional confidence.
/r/MGTOW06/05/18 05:01 PM
1

Yep. To attract a woman, all a guy needs is BASIC social skills. He doesn't need a degree in abnormal psychology to get laid. If he thinks otherwise, he's got problems in areas "game" won't fix.
/r/MGTOW06/05/18 04:53 PM
38

Ever notice how these articles never show the statistics for just men alone? It's always the total for both genders combined. Very sneaky.
/r/MGTOW06/05/18 04:37 PM
5

Hence the sage advice: Don't marry. Guy loses his hair, starts showing signs of age, etc, so the wife cleans him out in divorce court. Women complain about being traded in for a newer model, but I've seen them do it, too.
/r/MGTOW06/05/18 03:02 PM
45

"Sexual harassment" hysteria is really nothing more than women gaming the legal system to achieve their endgame - enforcing the 80/20 rule and creating a lookist caste system.
/r/MGTOW06/05/18 01:17 AM
2

I'd stay far away. This is the MeToo era, and someone with BPD is far more likely to make false accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 04:18 PM
2

Good point.
/r/MGTOW05/05/18 02:30 AM
59

Because they think MGTOW is a "hate group".
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 11:29 PM
94

The system needs men to keep believing female sexual attraction can be negotiated, or that a woman's "love" for a plain looking guy isn't just prostitution masquerading as attraction. Otherwise, men would stop buying so much shit to "win" some settler's "interest", and the big corporations' profits would take a nose dive.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 09:43 PM
6

Wanna know a dirty little secret? That's exactly what's going on ;). I think the only reason these guys haven't been charged with fraud or sued to oblivion is because there's no legal definition of "dating success" or "attraction". Most PUA "gurus" are really nothing more than charismatic sociopaths running a perfect scam to fund their coke habits. Ever notice how often many of those "gurus" seem like they're on stimulants? That isn't a coincidence.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 09:01 PM
5

Reminds me of their shock and horror about "1/4 of homeless people are women", explicitly implying that the other 3/4 didn't matter much.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 05:27 PM
23

Real confidence is the result of positive past experience, not the nebulous "inner game" bullshit pushed by both the PUAs and mainstream dating advice.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 05:15 PM
1

Little do they know that what they're doing will only produce the opposite effect.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 03:47 PM
40

Yawn. First world problems. She should try living as an ugly, very short or disabled male. She wouldn't last a week.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 03:37 PM
1

I certainly hope not! That would make us no better than them.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 03:31 PM
1

Most "game" is the RESULT of having a lot of dating success, NOT the cause of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 02:04 PM
0

Seeing a hooker won't make you loved, appreciated or desired. "Incel" is a misleading term. If it was really all about sex, the incel problem wouldn't even exist. They'd all be seeing hookers. The real issue at hand is being fully aware that you're on the bottom of the sexual pecking order, with the crippling realization that love/romance is but a distant dream, and feeling powerless to change that. Lifting and proper diet won't help a guy with poor facial bone structure. Others are very short o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 01:36 PM
2

I'm currently in VolCel/Monk Mode and bought a sex doll to manage that nagging itch. It'll never compare to the real thing, but it's still far more satisfying than jacking off. Well worth the money when considering the only other alternative for a monk with needs is escorts. As for as social needs, I'll never be lonely. Got plenty of friends to see each weekend.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 01:25 PM
6

This bullshit idea that women are "less visual" than men has GOT to go. That way, enough bluepilled men would see most relationshits and marriages for what they really are - prostitution masquerading as "love". Women are so demanding and ask for so much because the man is expected to compensate for the lack of sexual attraction. She doesn't expect all those demands from "Chad".
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 01:08 PM
5

That's so fucking deceptive! If a guy is a "2", he's better off knowing it. If I'd known earlier that my looks were the problem, it would've spared me several years of pain before finally wising up and fixing it. On the other hand.... if not for all that, I wouldn't have found the old NiceGuy forums which lead me to MGTOW philosophy, nor would I have heard all the horror stories and wisely avoided marriage. So, in the end, it's all good :).
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 12:34 PM
4

Thanks, man. Appreciate the help. I'll check it out. Gonna try and stick it out with the monk mode thing, but having a good backup plan gives me much-needed peace of mind.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 01:25 AM
4

I've thought of doing something like this. Still haven't figured out the social logistics, though. How would I go about getting a free burner phone? No way in hell is it a good idea for any fuckbuddy to know any of your personal info, where you live, etc.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 01:04 AM
22

I'm not the guy that downvoted you. It's good advice, IMHO. Definitely worked wonders for me. That said, things are too risky nowadays. Even Chad isn't immune to getting MeToo'ed by a woman with an axe to grind.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 12:56 AM
8

Another witch hunt coming soon....
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 12:20 AM
33

Good lord! I knew things were getting bad out there, but...damn. Sounds like this trend is escalating even more quickly than anticipated.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 12:13 AM
57

Yep. Mention sexbots or escorts, and the traddies go "REEEEEEEEEE!". Sooner or later, they're gonna have to realize that those things are the only thing standing between a future for their children or the collapse of the West. Between the trads' outdated thinking and women's desire to protect their own prostitution scam, the latter is more likely to happen.
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 04:46 PM
159

It's gonna get worse over the coming years, too. Be prepared. Incels are the inevitable result of female financial freedom, sexual freedom, and online dating. It's a perfect storm. Women's standards go up, and more guys get left in the reject pile. As the younger generations come of age, this trend will only get more pronounced and obvious. Today's betas will be tomorrow's omegas, and there will be consequences.
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 04:21 PM
8

Keep 'em coming ladies. We need more MeToo. You're just doing our job for us, waking more men up.
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 04:13 PM
1

If it wasn't for the goldmine between their legs, there'd be a price on their heads.
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 03:04 PM
65

She should try LIVING on 1k a month.
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 02:29 PM
3

End goal? Personal safety. Nothing more.
/r/MGTOW02/05/18 02:52 PM
61

And guys point to these ugly guy/hot girl couples as if they're something to aspire to. Women are only "less visual" in a pragmatic and very misleading way. I'm gonna say something, but first a disclaimer: I don't do this anymore. With that out of the way, I used to actively seek out hot girls who were dating or married to ugly guys, because they were by far the easiest lays. Easier than any single woman. Why? Being good looking, I was able to meet a certain need that she wasn't getting met. The…
/r/MGTOW02/05/18 12:59 PM
4

YES! The peaceful approach is what will win the war, not militancy, not hate. To use their terminology, just "go NEET", just "Lay Down And Rot". "Going ER" or glorifying such is the height of stupidity and short-sightedness. Besides, those "roasties" are somebody's daughters, mothers, etc.
/r/MGTOW02/05/18 11:40 AM
1

There is an interesting effect wherein we tend to see people the way they were when we first met them. Amen to that :). So true. Had a long-time fuckbuddy I'm still friends with (see her more like a kid sister nowadays than anything else). Didn't even notice she had hit the wall until very recently. She aged VERY rapidly over just the last 7 years, but my mind still sees the hot 24 year old blonde I met in college.
/r/MGTOW02/05/18 11:37 AM
1

Ok, I apologize for the attitude, but strongly feel men are putting themselves in danger of being used, mistreated, scammed and all manner of other fuckery by taking chances like this. Too many women out there have ulterior motives and are very good at passing this off as "love". For every one woman who's genuine in this situation, many others are straight up gold diggers. That's a gamble I won't risk.
/r/MGTOW02/05/18 11:24 AM
2

Many women think being able to fuck Chad means shes pretty enough for his commitment. When a woman constantly complains that all the men she dates "only want sex", you know she's setting her standards too high.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 08:07 PM
2

They want the benefits of being a prostitute without the costs that come with it (fucking an ugly guy, being treated like a commodity, etc). If they didn't objectify THEMSELVES, they wouldn't be treated that way.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 07:59 PM
3

Even if she's in it for ulterior motives like people here are saying, so what? Like the saying goes, the enemy of my enemy is still an ally (for the time being, at least). If women talking like this becomes a thing, that's an opportunity to milk it for all it's worth.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 07:49 PM
5

...and they will pay dearly for shutting it down. Guaranteed.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 07:37 PM
2

You can't be serious....
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 06:28 PM
3

People win the lottery, too. That doesn't mean buying lottery tickets is good financial advice.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 02:59 PM
27

Yep. If you gotta "work" for her affections, she's prostituting herself. The only pussy worth a damn is free pussy. If it ain't free, she can't be trusted for anything serious.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 02:26 PM
3

Making it fair to men is the only way civilization is sustainable. Without either an invasion of ultra-realistic sexbots or a return to strict constraints on female freedoms, the West will not survive out-of-control hypergamy and sexual price inflation. Too many leftover males will devastate the economy and cause rampant social instability. Give it another 50 to 100 years and things will eventually get so bad women will be begging to be let back into the kitchen again. Personally, I favor the se…
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 02:03 PM
39

Nowadays, we live in the age of female sexual freedom and easy divorce. If any man insists on getting married despite the risks, mutual sexual attraction is critically important, not of tertiary importance like the settlers and gold diggers want us to believe. While even Brad Pitt isn't immune to divorce rape, the risks are significantly reduced if she's genuinely sexually attracted to you. Things have gotten to the point, nowadays, that if a man wants a serious relationship or marriage, he's fa…
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 01:38 PM
3

I know what you're getting at, but that prostitute offers free services to the good looking guys, while charging everyone else, which isn't fair business practice.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 01:20 PM
5

When it comes to sexual attraction, an ugly man with wealth, power and intelligence is still just an omega. He may be alpha in the business world and at the top, socially, but the women he "attracts" are little more than prostitutes.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 01:13 PM
58

There are men out there who really actually think women are sexually turned on by wealth/status even if he's ugly as shit. This is what they get for being so damn naive.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 01:02 PM
111

He's definitely right. If she thinks you're only average looking, all you get is being settled for by a dishonest woman trying her best to sell you an illusion of attraction, with all the game playing, testy/demanding behavior and high cheating risk that comes with it. Since women find most men "below average", most men date, marry and have relationships, but go their entire lives having never known what REAL attraction from a woman looks like! The fake "attraction" of a settler is all they know…
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 12:33 PM
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/r/MGTOW01/05/18 11:59 AM
4

Amen, brother. Amen. When it comes to relationshits and marriages, this is the elephant in the room society wants to pretend isn't there. You can't expect a healthy or happy relationship when the woman is basically prostituting herself for the benefits of commitment.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 11:52 AM
0

Isn't it funny how they spend all their time REEEEEEE-ing about petty bullshit instead of being concerned about the real problems faced by women in the middle east or africa?
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 11:46 AM
2

(Pound)MeToo
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 10:34 AM
6

Dammit, this made me tear up. Fuck this system. Fuck it to hell.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 10:33 AM
37

Isn't it scary how much more easily offended/triggered people have become over the last 20 years? It's not just SJW's, either. I see it everywhere. Not sure what caused it, but there is something seriously wrong with people nowadays.
/r/MGTOW30/04/18 11:53 AM
16

Of course it is, but it'll be a long time before the MSM admits that :).
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 06:19 PM
29

While nothing compares to the feeling of fucking a hot real woman whose enthusiastically into it, the fatties and fuglies have every reason to be afraid. Even a lifeless silicone mannequin is more fun than fucking that. If the fats and fugs sucessfully ban them? Then they'll have even more reason to be afraid ;).
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 03:09 PM
6

the leftist women wanted their own movement. So instead of it being Capitalism, which everyone was against in the left-wing movements, they simply changed the goal posts and said it was Patriarchy. WOW! THAT is a real eye opener!
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 12:25 PM
2

Not good. More cultural brainwashing.
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 12:22 PM
9

Even a current TPE fuckdoll, lifeless as it is, is way better than fucking an ugly chick. It's better than jerking to porn. And much cheaper than fucking escorts regularly. Really looking forward to seeing how this industry develops over the coming years.
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 12:19 PM
18

Same here. Used to be a vehement supporter of leftist ideology until things started getting way out of control. Now I'm mostly apolitical. Seems both sides are just trying to fuck us in different ways.
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 12:06 PM
5

If she thinks a world full of sexually excluded men is sustainable, she's dreaming. Going their own way, going "NEET", "LDAR-ing"...collective male withdrawal would devastate the economy.
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 11:55 AM
9

Give them fentanyl. Much higher chance of death by overdose.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 09:59 PM
17

Glad you made it out alive, brother. Women who gaslight are no joke.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 03:40 PM
2

What a fucking sociopath. You'd think the guilt that comes with killing her own unborn would prevent her from repeating her mistakes.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 03:37 PM
2

Fuck yeah. Trade and vocational jobs is where it's at. If I had a son, I'd raise him to be a plumber or welder. Universities nowadays have become a joke. Relentless indoctrination, outrageous debts, and questionable job prospects.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 01:54 PM
26

She has obviously SLEPT WITH guys like she describes, but has yet to figure out she's not pretty enough for that guy's commitment.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 01:39 PM
2

Nah, I don't buy it. Just another opportunist selling an illusion of attraction. Of course she's gonna claim she was legitimately attracted to him. Telling the unvarnished truth would make her look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 12:41 PM
1

I'm actually quite turned on, emotionally, by the independent types. Not the ones who call themselves such, but actually show it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 12:36 PM
94

Textbook example of G.A.S.L.I.G.H.T.I.N.G ...If your girl starts pulling these insidious games that try to make you doubt what your own 5 senses are telling you, get out of that relationship - now. Run. Don't look back. BTW, this is a common feminist tactic. They talk about being gaslighted, but they themselves are the worst offenders. Once you know what to look for, you'll find most feminist articles are crammed full of this shit.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 10:27 AM
1

Hooooo man, when the West collapses, these arrogant bitches are gonna find themselves in deep shit.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 07:14 PM
3

Get a vasectomy. Pretend to be a simp and use this line to play the gold diggers for sex. When they tell you they're knocked up, show them official proof you're shooting blanks.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 06:01 PM
13

This is a sidebar-worthy post. Required reading, IMHO.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 04:32 PM
7

I bought one as well. Gonna review it once I've had some time to adjust and learn the ropes. Despite the cons, I'm satisfied with the decision. Perfect option for guys who want to drop out of the game entirely, but still have needs and don't want to mess with escorts.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 11:47 AM
4

I recommend RealLoveSexDolls.com. They're well reviewed and only sell quality goods.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 11:31 AM
9

She's not pretty enough to get commitment from Chad, so she's trying to run hooker game on the plain looking guys and sell them an illusion of "attraction". "Good husband" is just code word for a JOHN/PUNTER willing to pay her asking price.
/r/MGTOW26/04/18 05:48 PM
6

Banning it will just make the problem worse.
/r/MGTOW26/04/18 02:57 PM
6

The way the MSM and society as a whole is handling the situation is just gonna make things worse for themselves. MUCH worse.
/r/MGTOW26/04/18 02:36 PM
3

@#$%&%$%#! What is this world coming to?!
/r/MGTOW26/04/18 10:23 AM
184

YES! Especially nowadays when MGTOW is being lumped in with incel terrorism (and we'll be seeing a lot more of that over the coming years). Best to keep quiet in public.
/r/MGTOW26/04/18 09:53 AM
3

A shining example of how risky dating has become nowadays. This is the MeToo era. Not the same as things were even just a few years ago.
/r/MGTOW26/04/18 09:10 AM
5

That's what happens when women continue to go after guys who are out of their league. "Chad" will stick his dick in anyone whose willing, but holds out on commitment for a woman whose as attractive as he is.
/r/MGTOW25/04/18 11:16 AM
4

If men woke up and realized just how simple the game really is, the PUA/redpill community would crumble.
/r/MGTOW25/04/18 09:40 AM
13

If civilization itself is to have any future, the problems with the sexual marketplace must be addressed soon enough. In this case, sexbots are absolutely necessary. If women think they're gonna enforce celibacy on the unattractive, they can kiss civilization and their children's future goodbye.
/r/MGTOW25/04/18 09:09 AM
2

Good point. Yeah, we as a society really need to start evolving beyond blind consumerism before we lack the available resources for even basic survival.
/r/MGTOW24/04/18 07:52 AM
16

Sexbots would threaten a lot of consumerism, though. How many nice houses, boats, jewels, vacation packages, fancy cars, fancy clothes, watches and other expensive items have men purchased solely with the motivation of "attracting" women? If affordable and realistic sexbots become popular, all those industries would see a dramatic drop in sales.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 12:03 PM
19

If the feminists ban them, there will be hell to pay. Guaranteed.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 11:57 AM
17

Invasion of males spaces helps preserve the gynocracy. They get in and suddenly men are no longer free to speak certain un-PC truths, plus the group dynamic always changes in favor of the women.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 11:43 AM
3

It's only "hate speech" if the target isn't male, white, christian or straight.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 11:38 AM
22

Unless he gained a lot of weight or lost a lot of hair over the years, I'm inclined to think she was never that into him right from the beginning. Too many women jump into commitment with men they're already "meh" about, so it doesn't take much for her to wind up disgusted with him.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 08:56 AM
7

No legit "Chad" would agree to all those terms. That last one is a real zinger. Haha!
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 08:47 AM
5

It's not just mothers that lie like this. Other women do it, too. How many of you know a dorky, doofus looking dude who's absolutely convinced he's "good looking" because someone told him so, and blames "muh aspergers" for his constant rejection? If you're good looking, women will BEHAVE accordingly.
/r/MGTOW22/04/18 10:33 AM
16

"Attractive" for a relationship/sugardaddy is expensive. Genuine attraction is not. Those same gold digging whores will fuck a guy who works at McD's if he's good looking enough. Men have been raised by society to conflate materialistic desires with "attraction", and that's the main reason why they end up in a shitty marriage with a woman who treats them like a beast of burden.
/r/MGTOW22/04/18 09:37 AM
5

Marrying a woman with a lot of debt is a terrible idea.
/r/MGTOW22/04/18 09:33 AM
3

I lived that situation all the way up until my early 30s. It's horrible. What makes it worse is those who never lived it lack the life experience to even begin to understand it, so the incel's situation is coldly dismissed. People think it's all about sex, when it's not. It's the crippling realization that you're just not wanted, other than to be spitefully used for favors, gifts, etc. If it's any consolation, you guys are gonna have a LOT of company over the coming decades. Women's standards co…
/r/MGTOW22/04/18 09:00 AM
26

They fall for the "asians love western men" meme. Very naive. Very telling that these guys are commie soyqueers, btw. Aren't they supposed to be the same "proud male feminists" that, according to their ideology, should have no problem getting a girl in their own country?
/r/MGTOW21/04/18 03:46 PM
2

They're gonna get yet more picky over the coming years. Little do they know what awaits them as a result. One word: Incels. Lots of them. Emboldened by the knowledge of their numbers. Starting to organize. Nothing left to lose. Militant and warlike subculture. Get too many of them around, and they're gonna feel empowered to DO the things they talk about.
/r/MGTOW21/04/18 03:31 PM
4

What the bluepillers don't understand is that girls like this are common, they're just typically SMART ENOUGH TO HIDE IT. Most women who curve guys like this DON'T brag about it on social media.
/r/MGTOW21/04/18 03:15 PM
2

I spent 15 years in that community trying to do exactly that, with literally zero success to show for it. Out of all the fellow PUAs I went out "sarging" with over those years, the only guys that got consistent results were the ones who were at least moderately attractive in a physical sense. Eventually I caught on and dramatically improved my own appearance. 2 years of bodybuilding, change of wardrobe, better hairstyle, acne treatment, etc. The resulting difference in my dating life was like ni…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 01:05 PM
2

Of course things still happen. I never said it couldn't. But if a guy is still hellbent on a relationship or marriage despite the risks, his chances of getting screwed over are far lower if genuine attraction is there.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 10:04 PM
1

I went through a very dark time when my Dad passed away. Severe depression, started using again, etc. My girlfriend at the time and close female friends all played a huge role in helping me get back on my feet. Managed to stay clean, sober and productive since. That situation and many others made me rethink and refine the notion that displaying emotional weakness by itself is kryptonite to women. With PHYSICAL displays of weakness, oh yeah, that'll do it. If the guy is just average, physically, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 07:49 PM
1

Damn! That's a good point. I'd love to see how the gold diggers and other opportunists would cope with this.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 06:51 PM
5

They value the social and material benefits that come with the man's commitment to them, but they neither respect the man himself or intend on that commitment being mutual.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 06:42 PM
15

MGTOW literally saved me from a living hell. That's no exaggeration. I used to hang around the old NiceGuy forums back in the very early 2000's, and back then I was an incel/wannabe PUA. Several years later I overhauled my appearance and started slutting around (making up for lost time lol). 2 past girlfriends eventually began pushing for marriage, and I made it very clear that was NOT gonna happen. If not for the wisdom of the early manosphere, I would've done it and eventually paid the price f…
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 06:28 PM
6

Yep. Women are perfectly willing to date/marry/fuck an ugly fellow IF they can benefit from it. Many women value other things more than love - security, commitment, status, access to wealth, opportunity for advancement, popularity, etc. Naive people like to hold up these couples as if they were "proof" that women were "less visual" in a sexual way. Attractive "for a relationship" is not the same thing as genuine attraction.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 06:01 PM
266

Yeah, pretty accurate.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 05:49 PM
1

Exactly, but the PUAs and "game" guys want to delude themselves into believing attraction can be "cracked" like some kind of code, or flipped on via some secret switch. In reality, it doesn't work that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 01:50 PM
1

Bottom line -- if you want to avoid a dead bedroom you better find a woman who is physically attracted to you from the very beginning. A-fucking-men to that! Not just dead bedrooms, but also throw in constant nagging, resentment, high-maintenance/demanding behavior, game playing, flakiness and much more. Too many people settle in the sexual attraction department, leading to VERY unhappy and unhealthy relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 01:41 PM
8

Happy 420 to you as well.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 12:48 PM
1

They're PUBLICLY bragging about this, now. It wasn't that long ago when they only did this in private, with their girl friends and the good looking guys. Just goes to show how bad things are getting, when they're not even worried about letting the plain looking guys know what they're up to.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 10:21 AM
1

The incels are typically young guys, and juvenile shock posting comes with the territory. Give it time and a chance to get burned from a bad relationship, and they'll convert over to the MGTOW side.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 10:10 AM
15

Pretty obvious she's settling in the attraction department. They do this all the time. If you're not her "Chad", she can't be trusted for anything serious.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 09:53 AM
5

When a man has to write up a 75 PAGE CONTRACT just to allow a woman to stay at his house, you know things are getting bad.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 09:26 AM
1

Sexdolls > whores. MUCH cheaper in the long term, no BS games, no attitude, no risks, more reliable, no "rules", offers bareback. The sex doll pays for itself within months and should last years if well maintained.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 07:40 AM
1

Sounds like just another settling whore anyway. You're doing yourself a big favor by getting rid of her.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 06:42 AM
1

Who let the feminist in? lol
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 06:32 AM
8

Ooooo, this is gonna be good :). I'm definitely in favor of this.
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 06:25 AM
18

I spent over 15 years actively involved in the PUA community, and frankly, the way they present the "nice guy vs jerk" phenomenon is fundamentally flawed. The community sees this correlation and assumes causation. Being an asshole by itself doesn't trigger attraction. Women simply tolerate shitty behavior in a man they already find attractive. There IS one benefit to being the asshole, though: It's a good tool for screening out those women who settle in the attraction department (and they are CO…
/r/MGTOW19/04/18 08:09 AM
9

I was told growing up that holding the door open for people is simply GOOD MANNERS. That is it. That is all. Nothing more to read into it. Wow...such twisted thinking on her part.
/r/MGTOW19/04/18 07:45 AM
3

Ohhhh shit. This isn't good....
/r/MGTOW18/04/18 09:43 PM
14

And THAT is why women shame a guy for trying to improve his appearance. "You're fine just as you are" is BS.
/r/MGTOW18/04/18 12:44 PM
5

If you're hellbent on getting a relationship despite the risks these days, here's some good advice: Follow the "Fuckbuddies First" rule. If she doesn't find you hot enough to be just FWB's, she can't be trusted for anything serious. "Not shallow" women who claim "attraction is holistic" are guaranteed to be prostitutes. While not 100% effective, screening out the settlers greatly reduces your chances.
/r/MGTOW18/04/18 06:44 AM
23

My dad made me read Emerson's essay on self-reliance. Wise man, he was.
/r/MGTOW18/04/18 06:35 AM
2

It's getting pretty bad out there these days. Women's standards continue to get more unrealistic each decade, which means a larger percentage of the male population getting thrown into the incel trash pile. If even just 10% of the population becomes this, the West is fucked. For every one that chooses the peaceful option (going his own way), another becomes militant.
/r/MGTOW18/04/18 06:28 AM
1

You got company, man. I had a recent breakup, too. It's not an easy thing to deal with, but the pain WILL subside with time, and there are definite advantages to the single life.
/r/MGTOW18/04/18 06:13 AM
8

The ugly millionaire gets to marry/support them, but I guarantee the unemployed hottie is getting waaaaay more sex. Classic AF/BB.
/r/MGTOW18/04/18 06:01 AM
2

That would not surprise me at all. Scary shit, man.
/r/MGTOW18/04/18 05:39 AM
3

Yep. Ordered one a few weeks ago. Hoping like hell it works out well, though. Very uncomfortable with the idea of using hookers (WAY too expensive, fuels the Gynocracy, could be an addict, what if she finds me ugly or is disgusted by what she's doing, might steal/rob me, etc).
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 02:44 PM
4

Yep. Going monk mode, possibly forever, unless by some miracle the laws change in men's favor, or the West collapses within my lifetime. This MeToo shit is just too scary. You're not being "paranoid", you're being perceptive and making a smart decision.
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 02:32 PM
6

Women pull this shit all the time. I'd move on and be glad you caught the red flag early before getting too involved. If you're reasonably attractive, physically, there's women out there that will have that raw, primal attraction to you. Even if you're only a "6", they're definitely out there. You can do better than her. If a woman doesn't find you "hot" enough to be just a FWB, she can't be trusted for anything serious.
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 06:03 AM
22

Yep. That's definitely how it is. Quoting what a woman said on another thread, "Your wealth doesn't make us desire you. You have to SACRIFICE some of that wealth to unlock that potential."
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 05:33 AM
1

Yeah, there's definitely something "funny" going on with search engine results.
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 05:23 AM
12

Sounds like she already has a guy to meet her sexual needs, and now she's looking for a 2nd guy to meet her other, non-sexual needs.
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 05:16 AM
2

Danger! Danger! Danger! No, man, don't do it. Google "palimony" and "common law marriage". The State is trying to cover every loophole so they can keep the divorce industry running.
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 05:13 AM
1

Hiring too many women could be a reason why so many new businesses fail.
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 05:06 AM
1

Already did :). Painfully.
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 04:58 AM
1

White Night Code, Section 2A, subsection B, states "Thou shalt never punish a woman for any wrongdoing". On a more serious note, let's just say I learned my lesson and went to the MGTOW side a long time ago. Fuck white knights. Fuck feminism. Fuck the system. Fuck marriage. And fuck the vast majority of women out there. Not gonna hate on them, but these days, AVOIDING them is the smart choice.
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 04:52 AM
1

Dude! I'm not like that anymore. You'd know that if you would've read it more carefully before getting so damn triggered.
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 04:47 AM
1

Sacrificing his money to "unlock that potential", when her "desire" is strictly materialistic? LMAO!
/r/MGTOW16/04/18 04:18 PM
2

Damn right! Just one bad relationship is enough to completely dispel that idea.
/r/MGTOW16/04/18 04:11 PM
5

Damn straight. With the attitude women have toward escorts and sex dolls, they really have no idea what they're getting themselves into if they really actually think they're gonna get away with forcing celibacy on a large chunk of the male population. Civil war is pretty much a guaranteed result, and it would be a feminist's worst nightmare. Future generations might read in their history books about the "3 American Civil Wars" - the first fought between north/south, the second fought between rig…
/r/MGTOW16/04/18 03:45 PM
22

I stopped being so gullible a long time ago. Been manipulated and used as a white knight too many times. How's this for fucked up? I put a guy in the hospital for "raping" a friend, then come to find out he was completely innocent of any wrongdoing. The bitch fabricated the entire story. Yeah, best to assume they're full of shit unless shown otherwise. If that attitude "harms women", oh fucking well. Self preservation comes first.
/r/MGTOW16/04/18 12:45 PM
11

Times are definitely changing. The State continues to fill more and more of the traditional male provider role, leaving women more able to pick a mate based solely on raw sexual attraction. I think we're gonna see less female settling in the attraction department as time goes on. On one hand, I'm all for that, but on the other hand, there could be consequences. Too many "leftover males" is no joke.
/r/MGTOW16/04/18 12:12 PM
3

Society really pushes that hooker/john dynamic, doesn't it?
/r/MGTOW16/04/18 03:12 AM
2

Manipulating the situation to trigger a woman's fear of losing the relationship. One example would be making her believe you have other options. Googling the words "dread game" should pull up some pages that can explain it better than I could. It's a VERY popular teaching in the redpill community. Personally, I don't recommend putting too much faith in them. Attraction is far simpler and less convoluted than they want to believe.
/r/MGTOW16/04/18 02:49 AM
2

Maybe "glorified escort" would be a more fitting description. Expects to be compensated for her company even though no sexual activity takes place. The real problem is the double standard, where such compensation typically isn't required when she's actually attracted to the guy.
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 02:55 PM
8

Men are socialized to be like tricks/punters.
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 01:50 PM
7

Male desperation. So. Damn. Starved. For. Pussy. Nobody with an abundance of options would agree to anything like this.
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 01:46 PM
77

She was smart enough to figure out, way back then, what so many MEN still haven't figured out in the friggin' 21st century. Important lesson here. Women generally aren't stupid. They just "play dumb" when it suits them. Guys who think women lack intelligence are falling blindly into their trap. They might not be big on concrete style thinking, but they're masters at the more subtle forms of intelligence.
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 01:41 PM
2

This is far more common than people want to believe, and it plays no small role in why people come to resent their partner over time, often despite being a "good match" on paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/18 12:31 PM
10

Women are culturally socialized from a very young age to hide their true sexuality from the "non-chads". Female attraction has 2 faces - real sexual attraction (for chad), and the materialistic, fake "less visual" act (for her beta provider). Many women value commitment/security more than love, so they have to keep up the facade, otherwise the beta males wouldn't commit to them, AND they'd lose their beta orbiters. You're right, btw. This situation, where they're being emotionally pulled in oppo…
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 11:52 AM
6

A lot of men have simply been culturally gaslighted into ignorance and need to be deprogrammed. The media, intelligent women and the feminazis go to great lengths to explain away the realities we know about, and many otherwise-intelligent men fall for it. Thanks to the dumb ones posting on social media and online dating sites, some are waking up, but it's still not enough for the more heavily conditioned/socialized guys. For them, it's gonna take a bad marriage and some hard butt fucking from an…
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 11:20 AM
5

Good point. I never thought of that. Yeah, you're right, they ARE showing their hand more quickly these days. Works out better for the guys. Better they find out early that she's a settling whore, and leave before getting too invested in that "relationship".
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 11:09 AM
14

Exactly. Most of women's bad behavior in relationships is simply their lack of sexual attraction revealing itself. Playing "dread game" might force her into obligated compliance, but it will never trigger genuine sexual attraction. The assumption otherwise is a dangerous error the redpill/pua community makes. They're just asking to get oops'ed, metoo'ed, or sodomized by her divorce lawyer.
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 11:04 AM
71

Yep. I believe it. It's painfully common for women to marry/date/fuck men they don't have genuine feelings for. This is a significant factor behind a HUGE range of relationship problems - high divorce rates, cheating, sexless marriage, resentment, game playing, constant nagging, lack of affection, flakiness, demanding/high-maintenance behavior, etc.
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 07:49 AM
5

Modern marriage is one of the best recruiters for MGTOW. Many came here after a divorce or a bad marriage.
/r/MGTOW14/04/18 04:00 PM
3

My favorite is the one where people imply your OWN, LIVED EXPERIENCES are a lie or a fabrication, just because it doesn't match their beliefs.
/r/MGTOW14/04/18 03:49 PM
25

Always bring YOUR condoms and never let her get her hands on them. Never use one she supplies. Was with a girl several years back, and literally 3 of them ripped in one night. Looking back, it's pretty obvious they were tampered with.
/r/MGTOW14/04/18 12:13 PM
0

LMAO! Anyone who believes many women don't desire good sex with a good looking man, just for its own sake, I can't take them seriously as an authority on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 12:33 PM
6

Yep. Lookist bigotry is indeed a thing. They say men treat heavy women like shit, but then they turn around and do the same damn thing. Very hypocritical. Don't have a sixpack? You're a creep. Don't have a sharp jawline? You're a creep. Ugly but got money? You're still a creep. She'll let you fuck her and pretend to love you so she can leech off of you, but calls you a creep behind your back. This is why I never pursue anything serious with an attractive women who has a history of dating ugly fe…
/r/MGTOW13/04/18 12:05 PM
2

As expected, they're ugly dudes. Typically the type to be desperate enough to agree to this (nevermind the blue haired cow lol).
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 07:06 PM
1

LMAO! I like that one.
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 07:00 PM
2

Just wanna add something now that I think of it: This is a major reason why I abandoned the redpill/"game" community - too much manipulation and mentally abusive bullshit. I was becoming just like my mother, and that shit didn't sit right. Yeah, women these days are full of mind games, but fighting fire with fire isn't always a smart idea. Better to just walk, keeping a clear conscience and staying safe. If a girl is truly sexually attracted to you, she'll behave herself, but of course the "game…
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 03:43 AM
4

"Orbiter exodus". I like that :). Explains the situation in 2 simple words. Can I borrow it?
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 03:24 AM
23

They meticulously control their image and narrative. Even fellow feminists aren't immune to getting their posts flushed down the memory hole. Here's a disturbing example: A woman on 2xChromosomes posted the infamous "Ugly, Creepy Guys" rant that went viral years back, and she was singing praises about it. The thread was flooded with support and enthusiastic agreement, with over 700 upvotes! Within less than 24 hours, the mods locked the thread, deleted the OP and the vast majority of comments wi…
/r/MGTOW11/04/18 02:45 PM
1

LOL! Calls herself a "goddess". Instant deal breaker right there.
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 10:48 PM
1

There's one advantage an older woman has over the younger ones....her kids moved out and live on their own.
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 06:31 PM
3

Makes sense. The current environment western women live in is a breeding ground for the development of narcissism spectrum personalities. Can't expect someone to turn out right if they live their entire lives being treated like celebrities and above the "common folks".
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 06:12 PM
2

Another tip: Ugly-but-confident men who believe women are "less visual" are the easiest to exploit. He thinks his delusional "confidence" made her attracted to him in a sexual way, not merely "attracted" in a pragmatic/opportunistic sense (to his wealth/status). A guy who knows better would rightly be skeptical of anyone waaaayyy out of his league claiming to be "attracted" to him, which makes him harder to play for favors, gifts, etc. That's not lack of confidence at all. It's being realistic a…
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 05:18 PM
1

Equal freedoms means equal responsibilities. In principle, I'm for this.
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 04:34 PM
3

It often does. I learned from the best (worst?)....my mother. Threw it back at her, and REEEEEEEEEE! In relationships, though, I find it best just to fire the girlfriend and move on. Even if it works, it's no fun playing those games.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 09:51 PM
4

Wonderful! Reading this made my day :). Glad to be of help.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 09:45 PM
7

You're right. There are certain things "game" can't touch. If I see any gaslighting behavior, she get's dumped right then and there. People who pull that shit are too far gone to fix, and will only continue to be a blight on your life if you stay with them.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 08:51 PM
11

Given how much many men spend on hookers, I'd say they're already reasonably affordable. If a hooker goes for $100 a fuck, just forgo the hooker 20 times and stick to fapping for a while. Within a few months of regular use, the doll will have already paid for itself.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 06:49 PM
2

Haha, I love it. Great advertising strategy.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 06:42 PM
8

I grew up with a mother who did this shit mercilessly. If not for my dad and his sane, realistic perspective on things to provide a counterbalance, I probably would've been one seriously fucked up kid. It definitely works and some people are quite good at it. People who think gaslighting doesn't exist are the easiest targets. Yeah, I understand why you would feel ashamed. It's quite the mindfuck.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 06:18 PM
9

I agree. They do this A LOT. Once you learn what gaslighting is, you notice how prevalent it is. Educating ourselves about this subject is an essential part of learning how to handle the "female species".
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 06:04 PM
32

I'm genuinely worried about them banning these. Blinded by their ideological zeal, they will destroy their own children and grandchildren's future. That's no exaggeration. As women's standards continue to rise, more and more guys get thrown into the singles scrapheap. If the average man's SMV continues to plummet downwards, today's betas will be tomorrow's ever-growing legion of boner-raging incels. With the increasing crackdown on escorts, sexbots are the only option these leftover guys will ha…
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 05:45 PM
1

A woman, BY FAR!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 01:18 PM
1

You're not alone. The MeToo movement really made me rethink things. Preventing sperm theft and "oops" games is relatively simple. Not so much with false rape allegations. The only good way to avoid those risks is abstinence.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 12:01 PM
2

Haha are they TRYING to hasten the collapse of the West?
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 11:56 AM
3

Tradcon is just a bunch of BS being pushed by the elites struggling to preserve the divorce racket.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 11:51 AM
5

Like it or not, many of their complaints are legitimate. This is gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 12:53 AM
29

Yeah. "According to Science" has lost its power these days. So many "studies" are politically motivated and rigged to produce the results they want. Also, the peer review process isn't immune to peer PRESSURE.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 12:10 AM
35

OF COURSE women say attractive men are "bad for relationships", but not for the reasons they say outwardly. Attractive men experience a side of women that's systematically, intentionally hidden from average looking guys, which means she can't control him so easily.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 12:07 AM
3

They KNOW what they're doing is rude. Getting "offended" when you point that out is just their way of trying to game you into their frame.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 11:50 PM
2

Attaboy! Great move on your part. Still can't believe how blatant these girls are these days. Goes to show just how affection starved guys are, when a girl can flirt a little and get shit handed to them like that. Almost makes me wish for The Collapse haha. In that kind of world, she'd have to lay back, spread her legs and EARN that damn iphone!
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 11:47 PM
3

Amen to that. Escorts are more respectable than a woman who settles for a guy she's not attracted to and pretends she's "attracted" to him - like in half of all marriages out there. If her man isn't physically attractive, you can pretty much bet she's whoring herself for commitment/security. We see ugly fellows with women all the time, but that doesn't prove what people want to think it does.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 02:13 PM
8

Damn, the racism is plainly obvious.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 12:31 PM
9

"Any attraction felt towards BETA men is a product of social conditioning...."
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 12:29 PM
5

I agree about the "seduction community". That shit only works if you have the looks to trigger basic attraction, otherwise it's very toxic. The ugly, the short and the disabled would do well to avoid them like the plague. The reality is, those guys only have 2 options if they want pussy - fix their looks or get rich enough to be a beta provider. "Game" will not help a guy whose both ugly and poor.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 11:14 AM
2

Right now, the truth works just fine: I broke up with her recently and need time away from the game for a while. They understood and didn't press with any more questions. BTW, just for shits and giggles, I've given the "I'm gay" response, like when she's ugly or an obvious crazy. It works pretty well. Shuts 'em up without directly offending anybody. Basically turning women's favorite "I have a BOYfriend" line right back on them hehehe :). If she gets uppity about it, the word "homophobe" is a po…
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 11:00 AM
5

I wish you well. Your last sentence really spoke to me. Much of the manosphere IS consumed with hate (particularly the incel community), and that really bothers me. Hate blinds people and leads to bad collective decisions. Women are attracted to what they're attracted to, and hating them for that is no more logical than hating someone for having a disability.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 10:56 AM
1

Not there yet, unfortunately. My sex drive is like a drug addiction. Been on a pussy fast for almost a month, and it's been a struggle. Just knowing I can go into any club and take a girl home makes it that much harder. Working lots of overtime helps keep the mind occupied, but still, I hope this gets easier with time. Really trying to break the habit. Wish we could just take a pill and become asexual.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 10:47 AM
10

The beta males I've met are incredibly naive and inexperienced.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 10:36 AM
2

You raise a valid point. Guys who lack the social experience to understand nonverbal cues are far more likely to get lumped in with the real creeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 10:27 AM
2

Creepy: Unwanted contact despite obvious lack of interest. The guy who continues to push through resistance. Someone who doesn't know when to back off. That said, I do think unattractive men are often unfairly stigmatized. It's the "devil effect" in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 10:22 AM
2

Very true. Giving people more access to sex doesn't mean forcing people to f--- them, though. For example, making the general male population more physically attractive would accomplish the same thing without resorting to anything sleazy or rapey.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 10:15 AM
26

There's a bright side to this, though. When a woman is an open book like that, it's often a sign her attraction to you is legitimately sexual. Women tend to automatically assume attractive men know their tricks. They pretty much NEVER confess stuff like this to a beta male.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 01:20 AM
6

I agree with you, but I understand the beta simp's world as well. The typical "average looking" guy has never experienced genuine sexual attraction from a woman. All his past relationships were of the settling kind, so the pay-for-play game is all he knows. A guy has to have had a few past casual flings under his belt in order to spot the difference between genuine sexual attraction and "Mr. Consolation Prize". PUA/Game alone won't adequately teach him this.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 01:16 AM
2

Yet she turns around and offers her time and companionship for FREE to "Chad". Ask for a cheap, simple date. If she ain't up for that, her "interest" isn't genuine.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 01:04 AM
12

Women's oldest trick in the book is the Implied Promise Of Sex, where she has no intention of actually following through and just wants to string a guy along for free dinners, etc. Plain looking or ugly guys frequently get this scam pulled on them.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 12:59 AM
67

It's pretty scary. This shit's basically driving these women right back into the streets, making them WORSE off, not better. So much for "helping women", huh?
/r/MGTOW07/04/18 09:54 AM
2

Oh yes, definitely. And it can hurt, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 09:09 AM
28

I see them eventually banning those as well :(. The more I read about what goes on, the more I think about leaving the West altogether and starting a new life abroad.
/r/MGTOW07/04/18 09:05 AM
2

So true. The most blackpilling experience of my life was the time when I was fucking married women left and right. Always the same...damn...story. Was never sexually attracted to the guy, even when they first met. It was a brutal lesson in how often women settle in the attraction department, and why such settling is terrible for relationships. This is why I see right through those ugly guy/hot girl couples. She ain't sexually attracted to him. She's just "being practical". Women are only "less v…
/r/MGTOW07/04/18 07:36 AM
2

Holy hell is that woman cold blooded!
/r/MGTOW07/04/18 05:44 AM
1

A viable replacement for women is on the way. It's only a matter of time.
/r/MGTOW06/04/18 10:40 PM
2

"All women" will be "like that" if you're unattractive. Any relationship an unattractive man gets will usually be prone to the kind of behavior TRP and PUA describes. Makes perfect sense. She's settling in the attraction department, hence the undercurrent of resentment and air of dominance on her part.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 09:08 AM
6

The beta male is becoming obsolete since the government has taken over that role.
/r/MGTOW06/04/18 05:40 AM
8

Dude! Can I borrow that? That was profound.
/r/MGTOW06/04/18 05:38 AM
2

Yep, marriage these days is a trap. Screw that. FREEDOM's where it's at.
/r/MGTOW06/04/18 05:37 AM
19

You deserve a round of applause. I, too, am disgusted by the elitist and petty attitude you described in your post. Virgin shaming is indeed a thing, and we're supposed to be above all that.
/r/MGTOW05/04/18 05:18 PM
2

I love curves, but there's such a thing as too much. "Men love curves" is no excuse for laziness and putting their own health at risk.
/r/MGTOW05/04/18 07:22 AM
3

Most of these "rules" are bullshit made up by sellers of for-profit "dating advice". Doesn't matter if it's mainstream dating advice or Redpill/PUA tactics. Attraction is a lot simpler than people want to believe. My success skyrocketed after throwing all that baggage out the window and just letting nature take its own course.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 04:12 PM
6

Yep. That's what I just did the other day. Ordered one of the thick/bbw ones. Exact same body type as the OP's photos and made by the same company. Big butt, big tittles, no fattitude haha.
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 03:54 PM
3

Creep-shaming is basically lookist bigotry.
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 05:42 AM
11

And that's basically what the incels are. Ugly and poor. Or really short and poor. Lacking both the looks for sexual attraction and the money/status for an opportunist/settler/gold digger.
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 05:39 AM
4

Going your own way or being sent your own way, the end result is the same.
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 05:10 AM
2

I'm not looking forward to it, either. Getting "prepped", so to speak. Stockpiling rice, lentils and other non-perishables Bought a water purifier, still gotta get solar panels, etc. Got everything needed to start a small, sustainable grow operation as well, since that's something to trade. Money would be useless, and I have my doubts about gold/silver. Post-apocalyptic currency would be pretty much limited to food, medicine and vices (drugs, booze, sex, etc).
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 12:38 AM
2

Yep. The collapse of the West or a global war would bring about a much-needed reset.
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 01:10 PM
2

Agreed.
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 12:30 PM
3

Man oh man, those laws make marriage a terrible idea. Any possible way to keep your women's shitty behavior in check is now labeled "abuse". You get a cheating bitch who spends your money like it grows on trees, and the only legal way to handle it is to outright divorce her....in which case she'll sodomize you in court anyway. Damn.
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 12:28 PM
14

It's downright scary how much of Orwell's concepts have come true.
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 12:18 PM
12

A word of caution about spreading material like this. My sister's ex husband got slapped with a FELONY after he posted risque pictures of her on a fake Match.com ad he created. I didn't know laws like this even existed before. Be careful, guys.
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 03:21 AM
3

Looks delicious!
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 07:12 AM
4

You and me both, brother. I wasted almost 20 years of my life trying to fix things that weren't even broken in the first place, when just 2 years on a solid bodybuilding plan plus other makeover stuff was all that was needed to turn things around completely. This idea that women aren't visual like men isn't just incorrect, but harmful. Not just to men, either. It's dehumanizing to women, and also leads to male entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/18 07:08 AM
1

Yeah, definitely reads like something off 4chan or whatever, but the intended message isn't that easily dismissed. This was posted at the 2xChromosomes reddit and most of the women there were supporting it, then the mods panicked and scrubbed all the evidence. This showed up at Lipstick Alley some time ago, and they supported it as well. It's women's reaction to it that matters, not who wrote it.
/r/MGTOW01/04/18 03:44 PM
1

I wouldn't be surprised if running "mass shooter game" to attract women becomes a thing. Some guys are so desperate for any kind of female validation they'd probably be willing to spend 30 years in prison for it. That's no exaggeration, btw. Decades of social ostracism and rejection has a way of twisting the human psyche in bizarre and potentially dangerous ways.
/r/MGTOW01/04/18 04:29 AM
3

It's abnormal behavior for sure, but unattractive men experience an abnormal world. They are often socially ostracized and shunned out despite actively trying to improve. A few decades of that kind of experience would make anyone break.
/r/MGTOW01/04/18 01:21 AM
2

Yeah, the entire manosphere has become increasingly dogmatic over the years, which isn't good.
/r/MGTOW01/04/18 01:17 AM
1

Given the choice between supporting hookers/pimps/drug habits/gold digging behavior, or buying a doll, I think the doll is a better choice. Cheaper in the long run, too.
/r/MGTOW01/04/18 01:16 AM
1

Not everybody can get a ONS or fuckbuddy without a shit ton of time/effort. You have to be reasonably attractive and many guys simply aren't.
/r/MGTOW01/04/18 01:13 AM
6

IMHO, human love/empathy is almost entirely conditional, both men and women. It's there, but it's selective. I look at the poor, the disabled, the ugly and other disadvantaged folks, and people tend to show their true colors around such individuals.
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 11:04 PM
3

Yeah, I noticed that today. Thanks for the tip, though. Just ordered and paid an hour ago :). My thicc "lady" should be here in a month or so. This should be interesting. Never even seen a fuckdoll in person before. Whatever happens, I'm gonna learn to like it haha. I was planning to wait a few years until they developed more, but meh, might as well take the plunge now. Might help me get over the loss of the girlfriend. Still really stings at the moment :(.
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 10:54 PM
7

I'm doing the same next week. Just recently ended a 3-year relationship. Done with the game at this point. Not even fuckbuddies, and absolutely no hookers, either. Too much bullshit and risk no matter which option you chose. That leaves sex dolls, which is something I very strongly support in the first place.
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 07:23 AM
24

This woman explicitly stated she wants to do away with the First Amendment. Wow!
/r/MGTOW10/03/18 01:11 PM
1

It's to early yet, and FAR too risky right now. We don't have the numbers to make an impact in society. Just wait. Be patient. Women's own behavior will do the recruiting for us. Once we have the numbers, THEN we can adopt a more aggressive political stance.
/r/MGTOW10/03/18 10:26 AM
1

Feminists are proving to be a threat to science and innovation. If they had their way, we'd still be living in grass huts.
/r/MGTOW09/03/18 10:36 PM
3

Women's standards continue to get more unrealistic. Majority of men start GTOW. Sexbots become a thing Feminists ban them.... ...and then the gender cold war becomes a hot war.
/r/MGTOW09/03/18 10:29 PM
6

Go ahead, ladies. Do it. Things have gotten to the point where we're all better off in a segregated work environment.
/r/MGTOW09/03/18 11:16 AM
20

The absolute worst "Christian" women are found in those "Word Faith" megachurches, the ones that teach prosperity theology. The doctrine strongly appeals to gold diggers.
/r/MGTOW08/03/18 11:47 AM
2

Doesn't matter if it's a first contact or a reply, it's still a message. How is this relevant to the topic?
/r/MGTOW08/03/18 09:31 AM
1

You know things are getting bad when they blatantly come out and say this stuff with no shame.
/r/MGTOW08/03/18 04:23 AM
4

Fuck yeah! Glad to see more guys doing this. Women try pulling that shit on me all the time. Nah, fuck that. They're on their own. Give it 10 years and you'll start seeing major feminist writing about how this became a thing, still completely oblivious to how their own collective behavior contributed to the problem, and shifting the blame elsewhere.
/r/MGTOW08/03/18 04:12 AM
25

"Attractive" for a relationship/marriage. The same study says women go ahead and message many of those same men despite finding them unattractive. Many women value commitment/financial security more than love and are willing to essentially prostitute themselves for it. That's disturbing as hell, and I'd say even more so than the 80/20 statistic. She might be with the guy, but still finds him unattractive. That's not attraction, it's opportunism, and it certainly explains the way so many women be…
/r/MGTOW08/03/18 03:56 AM
0

Like I already implied originally, legalizing it is not likely to improve men's situation. It's been around forever, and people are still doing it despite the prohibition laws. Not sure what the disagreement is, because it sounds like we're on the same page.
/r/MGTOW08/03/18 01:16 AM
1

Their ultimate goal is to criminalize any interest by a guy who isn't "hot".
/r/MGTOW07/03/18 05:22 PM
1

How is the age of the profession in any way connected to what I said above?
/r/MGTOW07/03/18 05:12 PM
1

The simplest definition of an Omega: Ugly and poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 05:09 PM
3

Going their own way or being SENT their own way, the result is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 01:13 PM
6

I'm very skeptical about the social effects of legalizing prostitution, and only favor it because it makes it more safe for both sides of the transaction. The majority of men who would use hookers are already doing it anyway. Once sex dolls are improved, THAT should make a big difference.
/r/MGTOW07/03/18 10:16 AM
3

I second this. Telling people you're a virggie is bad news. When I was 19, a girl ask me that question and I made the mistake of saying "yes". She avoided me like a leper after that, and holy hell that hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 09:41 PM
3

Exactly. "Involuntary celibacy" is such bullshit. "Foreveralone" is much more accurate. The problem isn't sex. It's being unwanted despite literally decades of trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 09:36 PM
1

Amen to that. Reality isn't always peaches and cream. Some guys are so short or so facially unattractive that even bodybuilding won't help. Their options are either take the risk and get extensive plastic surgery, or get rich and be thankful some gold digging ho can "love" him for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 09:26 PM
3

Let's see here...height, weight, jawline, muscle mass, income, dick size, hair (or lack of), and now TURD size, too?! HAHAHAHAHAHA! How spoiled for options do these women have to be, to get to the point where they're picky about something as petty as a man's poop?
/r/MGTOW06/03/18 04:31 PM
1

Yeah really. So true. It's ridiculous and needs to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 03:51 PM
3

I eventually did fix my appearance, and the difference it made was dramatic. My dating life today is pretty much the polar opposite of what it was just 7 years ago. Proof enough that appearance was the only thing that was holding me back. This is why I'm so heavily against the "pickup artist" community and the idea that some ogre can "win over" someone way out of his league with his "magical personality". Most of these guys won't benefit from any kind of dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 03:45 PM
4

As someone who actually tried option 2 in his early 20s, it didn't work. Had an ad up on Craigslist and every adult dating website out there for about 2 years. Contacted hundreds of people during that time. From skinny to fat, from ages 20 all the way up to a 64 year old, even a few women in wheelchairs...and yet nothing. Here's where it get's interesting. I removed my picture, and all of a sudden I started getting responses regularly. Then they'd ask for a picture during the chats to see what I…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 03:28 PM
9

You hit on a good point, here. People loathe the idea that anyone can be sexless due to things outside their control, but it definitely happens. I used to work with many physically disabled men and built close relationships with them. It was a real eye opener. These guys had all their mental facilities intact and just needed help with various day-to-day physical tasks. Of those who were born disabled, 90% of them were still virgins at a late age, had extreme difficulty finding a partner, and it …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 03:06 PM
1

Unattractive men are often lead to believe female sexual attraction can be negotiated, which inevitably leads to feelings of entitlement.
/r/MGTOW06/03/18 01:33 PM
8

If it makes you happy, powder it on, bro :). No judgement from me. Women are just as visual as men, so why not play it to your advantage?
/r/MGTOW06/03/18 09:10 AM
4

What a pair of fucking cunts! What they did to that girl is pure evil.
/r/MGTOW06/03/18 09:08 AM
4

I'm afraid, too, buddy. The way things are going nowadays is downright scary. Women might be easy to get laid with, but are the risks even worth it anymore?
/r/MGTOW06/03/18 09:06 AM
1

A-fucking-men! So true!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 12:29 AM
1

"... who is made to feel that he is doing something wrong when he really is not." Man, this hits so close to home. I used to get constantly rejected, and spent damn near 20 years trying to figure out what I was "doing wrong", when all that was needed was a makeover. Lost weight, built muscle, dressed better, skin care, and BAM! All of a sudden my dating life did a total 180. Society leads the uglies to attribute their lack of success in love to some perceived flaw in their personality, and that …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/18 10:04 PM
2

The beta is basically little more than an omega with wealth or status.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/18 09:47 PM
1

There are people out there who are unable to trigger even basic attraction despite their best efforts. Both mainstream dating advice and PUA/Redpill have basic attractiveness requirements attached in order to work, and most incels are both ugly AND poor. The more severely disadvantaged a guy is, physically, the more wealth/status is required in order to compensate for it. In the case of a guy that's only 5'2, is on the autistic spectrum, and butt ugly in the face, the wealth/status he would need…
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 09:12 AM
27

You made a good point in your post. The popular idea that humanity is "inherently good" is a toxic lie.
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 09:02 AM
1

A great read. Thanks for posting this :).
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 08:55 AM
3

Bitch wants the benefits of being a prostitute without doing the work.
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 08:06 AM
1

Exactly. Have people do it themselves. I heard about similar "experiments" several years ago and was very skeptical at first, so I tried it. The results shook me right down to the core, and it's what lit the fire under my butt to fix my looks by any means necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 12:20 AM
2

Personally, I'm in favor of research/development into better sexbots, then encouraging omega males to use those. With prostitution, the woman has to fuck guys she finds ugly, and that HAS to be psychologically damaging. I say legalize it, as that makes things much more safe for both parties, but I wouldn't go any further than that. EDIT: Omega males' anger isn't caused by not getting sex. It's being unwanted and being fully aware that they're at the bottom of the sexual totem pole.
/r/MGTOW01/03/18 11:07 AM
2

As long as "good enough" is someone who still turns you on, that doesn't count as settling. What I take issue with is people dating/marrying someone whom they have little to no attraction to at all. It definitely happens. Generally speaking, women who are more modern/liberated in their thinking don't typically do this. It's the "traditional" types, people with hidden motives, and those who cave in to society/family pressures that are notorious for this kind of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 10:31 AM
1

Pretty much, sadly :(. If a guy can't improve his appearance enough to trigger immediate attraction, he really is better off dropping out of the game entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 10:40 PM
0

Depends on the person, really. Unattractive men generally have to chose between staying alone or being in a relationship that's far from ideal and prone to strife. Game can help him navigate the pitfalls of being with a settler, but it's very unrealistic for him to expect mutual sexual attraction. She might go through the motions, but her heart won't be in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 10:27 PM
4

I don't agree with "AWALT", either. If a woman is genuinely attracted to you, as in, not merely settling for you, she won't behave like that. The problem is, these "seduction" communities are largely comprised of physically unattractive men. If you're unattractive, mostly all women ARE "like that", because the only relationship an unattractive man can get is with someone who settles for him, and the only casual sex he can get is with women who have serious issues or ulterior motives. Settlers ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 09:13 PM
1

I dunno. People are far more blatant and transparent today than they were in previous generations. The rise of online dating and Tinder aided in this transparency.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 08:59 PM
1

We can only speculate, but I really don't think the current SMP as it is is sustainable. If the West is to survive, something has to give. Ideally, all men could just become attractive and competitive, and that would save western civilization. Problem is, not everyone can do that with just proper diet and fitness training alone. Others are capable of doing so, but are too entitled in their thinking. I'm not optimistic this is gonna happen. A more likely scenario involves the rise of sex dolls/bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 08:40 PM
1

Hell yeah :) <Gives high five>
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 08:29 PM
2

He's got a good channel, but yeah, that voice.... he'd keep more viewers' attention and subscribers if he worked on his delivery.
/r/MGTOW28/02/18 08:08 AM
2

Unfortunately, it's corporate interests that runs the government. It's no longer for the people or by the people. What happens in business today, happens in government tomorrow.
/r/MGTOW28/02/18 08:03 AM
7

Amen, brother. You hit the nail on the head how fake they are. They'd turn around and throw us under the bus the minute it became "cool" to do so. Same goes for gays, women, atheists and any other group.
/r/MGTOW28/02/18 06:53 AM
1

That generation will see radical changes in the SMP for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 06:41 AM
24

Speaking as a man, it's WAY overrated. Fun, and a hell of an ego boost, but it isn't fulfilling. I'll take a genuine connection over "spinning plates" any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 06:19 AM
2

The article sounds like it was written by a plain looking guy who's been settled for. Yes, very beautiful bitches tend to be stale/empty, and we know why that is. But the stale bedroom behavior? LMAO! No, that's bullshit. That same girl, when she's actually physically into the guy, is very different than what the average looking guy sees.
/r/MGTOW28/02/18 01:11 AM
2

That's why "just be confident" is such awful advice. If you don't have the looks or status to back it up, you're automatically labeled. The same confidence that amplifies existing attraction conspires AGAINST you if the physical attraction isn't there in the first place.
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 07:22 PM
5

I like how she blames "job polarization". No, the truth doesn't fit the PC narrative. Men are abandoning the beta provider role and don't require a large income to be content by themselves.
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 07:04 PM
4

Yep. Science has basically become politics. If it isn't politically correct, it won't pass peer review. It's only a matter of time before even MATHEMATICS is infected with the PC virus.
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 06:58 PM
7

The way they're continuing to broaden the definition of "rape", there will come a time when rapists won't be on the bottom of the prison hierarchy anymore. Half the men in the penal system will be convicted "rapists". Of course the femmies will point to this as "proof" of how bad the rape problem is, and push for yet MORE fucked up laws.
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 06:52 PM
1

MeToo bites back. Leave it to the femmies to miss the point lol. They want to believe men are turning away from them because "it's easier than learning how to relate to women", when the reality is one LIE can destroy a man's life. Glad to hear you guys are standing up for yourselves, OP :).
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 05:35 PM
5

It'd be just like them to spread the idea that MGTOW is a leftist puppet in order to get MGTOW to question themselves. Not falling for it. If everyone followed existing MGTOW philosophy, it would OVERTURN the establishment and bring down the corporate elites.
/r/MGTOW26/02/18 09:12 PM
3

Girlfriend/Wife: Liberal physical attraction requirements. Typically, strict resources requirements. Casual sex: VERY high physical attraction requirements. No resource requirements. Genuine attraction: High physical requirements. Liberal resource requirements. Many women value commitment/security more than attraction, which leads them into relationship with a guy they have little sexual attraction to, and that poses a serious problem. So many common issues can be traced back to settling, such a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 08:52 PM
3

Many of the tactics are basically psychological manipulation. I'd rather lose her than resort to that behavior. Also, while the tactics "work", the "favorable" changes in her behavior are not what it seems on the surface. There's a big difference between going through the motions to keep a relationship with a guy, and genuine sexual attraction to the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 08:45 PM
2

I've similar nightmares - being married to an ex girlfriend. Hooo man she was a piece of work. Dodged a bullet with that one, for sure.
/r/MGTOW26/02/18 01:24 AM
2

Prostitute.
/r/MGTOW25/02/18 03:53 PM
8

Damn right. This is war.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 09:56 PM
5

Yep. A good woman could EASILY out compete even an ideal sex bot. Unfortunately, good women aren't attainable or even realistic for most average looking guys. He'll always be the guy she merely settled for, and she'll behave accordingly - game playing, demanding, resentful, picking fights, rationing sex, etc. Doesn't matter if she's uglier than he is, she's already had sex with men waaaaay out of her league, and he'll never measure up.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 08:03 PM
3

Purely taxes. The resulting price hike put most existing RYO companies out of business as people weren't willing to pay those prices and found alternative choices. The bulk of RYO customers were poor folks or heavy smokers who couldn't afford the price of regular packs.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 07:48 PM
1

"Is there anything in the world sold with even a 100% tax on it that anyone can cite with any example for any reason?" RYO tobacco in the USA. Bags that were only 6 to 8 bucks got hiked up to over $30. That's essentially 400%. Nevermind a 10,000% rate, even something like 400% would put the price of those dolls out of reach for men who currently are only just able to afford one.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 07:43 PM
1

Tabloid or not, you really actually believe feminists won't go that far if these things take off? C'mon, man. Seriously.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 07:31 PM
3

The problem with making a sex doll design too modular is that realism would suffer, and that's a boner killer. There'd be all these visible seams where the various parts connect - head, legs, arms, torso, feet, hands, vadge, etc. It would no longer look like a woman, but a robot. Realism/immersion is these dolls' main selling point. They still got a long way to go, but as of now, they're real enough that people buy them.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 07:20 PM
3

If sex dolls get more realistic/better, the market for them would explode, and you can bet the status quo would react. Women are absolutely hellbent on maintaining and protecting their privilege in the sexual marketplace. They've already proven themselves willing to ruin a man's life over issues far more minor and petty than the potential threat these dolls pose. Never underestimate just how far they'll go.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 07:11 PM
24

The fact that the proposed tax is THAT high just tells you how afraid women are over these things :). Anything that scares the feminists THIS much, is something we need to support - vehemently. Regardless if we actually use them ourselves, the fuck doll is the very embodiment of MGTOW philosophy (refusing to let women use our sex drive for their personal gains).
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 06:06 PM
1

ALWAYS flush the condom down the toilet, that way she can't get to it.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 04:24 PM
8

The men who can't get intimacy with a female are a significant chunk of her free gifts, special favors and narcissistic supply. Sexbots definitely will put a dent in that :).
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 04:13 PM
4

The PUA community is much like those TV preachers. When the tactics don't work, they say you just don't have enough "confidence" or "faith". They both use the same gaslighting tactic on those who dare question the dogma. Redpill and PUA are VERY dogmatic in their thinking.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 04:09 PM
0

I had to literally go THAT far just to turn my dating life around. 15 years of "self-help" trying to improve my "inner beauty" proved fruitless. I made new friends easily, but having a sense of humor, social confidence, "living an interesting life" and all manner of other non-sexual traits don't trigger romantic or sexual attraction. Looks is what it's really all about, and no matter how much certain people or commercial interests try to convince low-value men otherwise, more and more of these m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/18 11:01 PM
3

Women who date "bad boys" value being with someone out of their league more than being loved/desired in return. She's the female equivalent of the beta male, who dates a total bitch just because she's hotter than what he could normally get. Both of them are willing to tolerate a world of shit just to have a "trophy" mate.
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 09:42 AM
94

Any woman who actually says "there aren't many good men out there" is admitting that character, shared values and common interests are not a priority to her. It's all about looks, wealth or social status.
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 09:35 AM
3

I completely understand why. Leave it to the media to make up an alternative explanation that fits the standard narrative, though. You'll never get the real answer from a media entirely funded by corporate entities and the military/industrial/prison complex.
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 07:30 AM
2

I'm in full support of the doll trend, but they got a long way to go before they appeal to a mainstream audience. Too static/lifeless. Creepy, unblinking stare. Special needs hands (finger wires). Supposedly they reek of plastic. Most of them I've seen either have unrealistic proportions, are too short or too skinny. For now, it's either take my chances with the real deal or spank the monkey.
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 07:12 AM
12

I'm black. There goes the "white supremacy" theory.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 01:52 PM
3

She didn't sound "oppressed" to me lol. In a woman's own words, too.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 01:49 PM
10

Amen, brother. S.T.E.M. and vocational trades is where it's at. The rest is 10% knowledge and 90% thinly-disguised political indoctrination.
/r/MGTOW20/02/18 11:10 PM
4

Much of what passes for "education" today is indoctrination.
/r/MGTOW20/02/18 11:08 PM
1

I do just fine lol. If she's really, truly into you, there's a certain enthusiasm that just isn't there when she's merely settling for a guy. If you've already been on, say, 5 dates with this girl, and there's so little sexual energy on her part that you feel the need to negotiate for play, that's a pretty good indication that there isn't enough physical attraction on her part for a relationship to be a happy/healthy one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 10:56 PM
3

"No" is a mood killer/turnoff, personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 01:07 PM
4

(pound) MeToo :).
/r/MGTOW19/02/18 11:34 PM
1

Haha! I like how you think :). A looong way from reality, but then again, look at how much technology has advanced over the last 50 years. Computers used to fill a room and couldn't even run anything larger than, say, 500 kilobytes. Now everybody has one in the palm of their hands, and those little things are far more powerful.
/r/MGTOW19/02/18 05:17 PM
1

Good points. Exactly why more R&D is needed. Right now there's a lot of pitfalls and flaws, but just imagine the effects on the sexual marketplace should these weaknesses be adequately addressed. We can look at this situation in 2 different ways. On one hand, these are reasons why the industry would fail. On the other hand, these are opportunities for innovation. Any company that overcomes these issues will have significant advantages over their competition.
/r/MGTOW19/02/18 04:30 PM
1

Wealth/status do not carry the same weight they used to. Women are able to support themselves, which is why they're focusing more on raw sexual attraction these days. This trend will only intensify over the coming years.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 03:42 PM
16

Hahaa. Bwaaaahahahaha! :). Yep, it's only a matter of time before even Chad gets on board with these things. I give it 10 years. Now is a good time to invest in these companies.
/r/MGTOW19/02/18 03:23 PM
4

I don't do that shit anymore. Never again, period. It's disrespect toward a fellow man, no matter who he is or how bluepilled he might be. That said.... it DOES teach you a lot, and frankly, that advice will eventually backfire on some of the core beliefs of TRP philosophy. The things those women admit when they know they won't be judged for it... let's just say it's pretty damn BLACKpill, not red. Real attraction is purely physical. Money/Status/Game, without good looks, will only make an effec…
/r/MGTOW19/02/18 03:07 PM
14

Amen. Their anger is an excellent barometer. The louder they screech, the bigger the threat to the status quo.
/r/MGTOW19/02/18 02:58 PM
5

I support both. Attacking the Gynocracy on multiple fronts. BTW, if sexbots get more realistic, the whores will have more competition. They'll probably have to lower their prices, which means punters would get more bang for their buck ;).
/r/MGTOW19/02/18 02:41 PM
8

"Bitcoin was small years ago. You need to invest from the start to have big profits..." Exactly my thoughts. The industry needs investors. Looking for ways to back this industry and encourage its development, hopefully even profit from it. Right now, even the high end products look ridiculous and the technology still has a long way to go. The potential is huge, though.
/r/MGTOW19/02/18 02:22 PM
4

Year 2060: Sex dolls/bots get very realistic, men start buying them en-masse, and then the femmies get them banned. This is the flashpoint where the battle of the sexes ignites into an actual war.
/r/MGTOW19/02/18 12:03 AM
20

TRP reddit was started by a politician. Controlled opposition, perhaps? TRP feels very manufactured and artificial, whereas MGTOW seems far more organic and genuine.
/r/MGTOW18/02/18 02:53 PM
10

The idea that wealth/status alone are sexual triggers is not only naive, but harmful. The guy is setting himself up to get taken advantage of. He's better off going after people his OWN age, who are as wealthy/high status as he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 12:11 AM
1

Incels want to date/have sex/get married, but are too ugly to be Alpha Fux and too poor to be Beta Bux.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 09:33 PM
3

Oh shit :(. Serious Orwellian stuff.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 09:28 PM
2

Thanks. Couldn't remember who it was that said that.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 01:36 PM
1

It's not just undercutting they're worried about. Too many "sluts" acting openly would wake up the beta males to the truth about female sexuality.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 12:44 PM
2

All HAIL the sex doll invasion! :). This is one industry men should support any way they possibly can. The more profitable this industry becomes, the more political clout they will have. Buying an incel friend or relative one of these dolls is essentially donating your money to a worthy cause. That's one less simp kissing women's asses. I know an incel in real life and am seriously thinking about doing this. He wants one but can't afford it. Says he'd be willing to stop chasing pussy if he had o…
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 12:28 PM
6

Amen. Trades and STEM is where MGTOWs should be. Fuck the corporate world.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 12:08 PM
6

Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 12:03 PM
1

Dude! I had a man basher as a teacher for the exact same class. Every single time I went to that class, she'd make comments like this. Every. Single. Day. These professors use their position as a pulpit to push their politics.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 12:00 PM
3

Exactly. An unattractive man with money and power is still just a beta/omega.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 11:52 AM
3

Same pattern. Ever time there's a mass shooting, lefties of every stripe use it to push their agenda, be it man hate, gun control, etc.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 11:32 AM
2

That woman was literally HUNTING for an opportunity to file a frivolous report! She clearly has a vendetta against men in general, and this is her way of "getting back" at them. Good lord! What is this world coming to, when you can't even use the men's room without putting yourself at risk?!?
/r/MGTOW16/02/18 10:22 PM
2

Redpill tactics will not work for omegas. At some point, we need to be honest with ourselves and accept the fact that a minority will remain omegas due to looks, no matter how much lifting they do, no matter how solid their inner game is. Things like shitty facial bone structure, very short height, or a very high-pitched voice are real barriers to dating success, and they're almost impossible to overcome unless they're willing to accept the provider role. The best that game can do for them is he…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 01:26 PM
2

Hey, thanks for not tearing me apart haha :). Very refreshing to see when people on here can hold different views on friendly terms. Having more liberal/lenient physical standards makes you very fortunate, because I believe it will spare you a lot of pain and heartache. There really aren't enough conventionally "hot" guys to go around and the competition for them is downright brutal. People can't help what they're attracted to, which leaves many women in a sticky situation and feeling miserable.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 12:22 PM
1

First dates must be cheap. Gotta weed out the bullshitters.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 10:40 PM
2

Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 10:08 PM
3

...and the gold diggers/commitment seekers shame her, too. Having too many "sluts" behaving openly in society would wake up the beta males to certain uncomfortable realities, which would make it far more difficult for the transactional women to ply their trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 09:57 PM
3

YIKES! Definitely hope you can move out soon.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 04:33 PM
6

How predictable. "Knowing what the line is" is a red herring intentionally thrown in by the media to divert our attention away from the real issue, which is THE DANGER OF FALSE ALLEGATIONS. We're avoiding women at work not because we "don't know how to relate to them", but because ONE LIE CAN DESTROY A MAN'S CAREER!
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 04:25 PM
9

No disrespect intended, but I'm 100%, irrevocably convinced that such thinking isn't the majority. No matter how much I WANT to believe most women feel the same as you do, it simply isn't the case. I know what I experienced after fixing my own looks, and lost faith in "looks don't matter" as a result. Permanently. Longtime platonic friends who previously rejected any notion of anything more became passionate lovers. Trying to find dates went from an impossible struggle to shooting fish in a barr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 03:59 PM
5

We agree to disagree at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 02:38 PM
1

AMEN! This is why I hate "slut" shaming/"shallow" shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 02:31 PM
5

The latter is a direct result of believing the former. They are indeed connected.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 02:25 PM
21

I prefer to look at it the other way around. She's charging too much and not being honest with the man she settled for. She expects Mr Beta Male to buy the cow for sour milk after she gave away the fresh cream for free to the good looking guys.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 01:12 PM
1

That voice...good lord, that VOICE! It's enough to drive a man impotent for life.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 01:06 PM
9

We should support a female draft. Not because of incel boner rage or anything like that, but because it's real equality. Equal freedom without equal responsibility = favoritism.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 12:54 PM
44

I blame the myth that "women are less visual than men". There's a lot of VERY naive guys who really actually believe they can "trigger attraction" through their "generosity" and "kindness".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 01:56 AM
5

Being "sexually assaulted" has become a rite of passage these days. It's almost like they're proud of it.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 06:58 PM
3

If the gender war ever becomes violent, it'll be them vs the incel rape gangs/terrorist groups.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 01:01 PM
114

She's a NiceGuy(TM), just gender flipped.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 12:57 PM
8

Bravo! Dude, you nailed it. We're BOTH being played, both genders, by corporate interests who only give a token damn about women as long as it suits their profits. We're both getting fucked, just in different ways. In some cases, it's actually pretty similar, like in the case of impossible beauty standards. Women are expected to look like a pre-pubescent transexual - no curves, caked in makeup, going to the tanners year round, and expected to spend a ridiculous amount of money on frivolous cloth…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 11:39 AM
16

If she expects to be paid for her time, chances are good she's just not physically attracted to you, and merely willing to settle as long as you're willing to play the beta role. Dump her immediately and don't look back. A woman who is legit physically attracted to you will not behave like a prostitute. When I fixed my looks, all that so-called "traditional" bullshit went out the window. THEY were willing to pay ME for MY time!
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 04:17 PM
1

efukt.com.... interesting site lol. Some funny shit, and some naaaaasty shit, too.
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 12:04 PM
2

Damn, that story was a tearjerker :(.
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 12:02 PM
2

Be unattractive.
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 11:54 AM
3

Any woman who pulls this shit, you're better off without her. That behavior is a major red flag. If she says "no", I move on immediately.
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 11:52 AM
2

Amen :).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 11:29 AM
6

I was force fed Desoxyn for "ADHD" at 7 years old. That shit is literally LEGALIZED METH! It was hell getting off that stuff. Society's drugging of kids is no joke.
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 10:23 AM
26

They're actually coming out and admitting it now. It's like they're taunting bluepilled men, and they're so brainwashed they can't even see it.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 07:05 PM
1

Damn right. Women are more "equal" than others. Orwell's Animal Farm should be required reading for all MGTOWs.
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 06:07 PM
28

It seems like women will be the ones who pave the way to Pedosexual Pride Parades.
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 01:08 PM
1

Ewwwwww. So messed up :(.
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 12:28 PM
7

YES! Absolutely, positively yes. Purely sexual "relationships" with no real emotional connection gets old after a while. That's not being "beta", it's being human.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 12:14 PM
7

Just wait until sex dolls get more realistic. That'll be a game changer.
/r/MGTOW07/02/18 08:31 PM
3

I've already adopted a similar strategy. At work, I came out as "homosexual", and not only do I avoid most of the potential dangers women pose in the workplace, but I reap the benefits of "minority privilege" as well. Play the lefties at their own game by using the "gay" or "trans" card.
/r/MGTOW07/02/18 02:50 PM
3

LMAO! Bring it on, Sandberg. Everything the MeToo crowd does at this point is just gonna wake more people up. Feminists are short-sighted. They fail to consider the results of their actions. We should play on that weakness. It's our key to defeating them.
/r/MGTOW07/02/18 02:46 PM
18

I don't believe she really "fell in love with him" in the first place. This is a woman who settled for a beta male, essentially selling her body for "commitment" or some other materialistic benefit. The way she handled the situation is a dead giveaway. I've had times of extreme weakness in the past and the women's attitudes were nothing like this whoring cunt. They were supportive. Why? Because genuine attraction was there. Gotta weed out the settlers, guys. Women often date/fuck/marry a man the…
/r/MGTOW07/02/18 02:29 PM
1

I'm very concerned about what new laws will be added to the books after this. We already know their strategy - using the legal system to strong arm men into compliance with their agenda.
/r/MGTOW07/02/18 02:19 PM
2

Most definitely STARTED that way :). Makes perfect sense. Unattractive people are far more likely to seek out dating advice. Hell, I was one of them. Lifting, change of wardrobe, better hairstyle, clearing up the acne, etc, is extremely important. It made a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 12:02 PM
10

Women KNOW they're in deep shit if those things take off and become popular. Once they get realistic enough, it won't just be incels and fetishists buying them.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 07:39 PM
2

r/deadbedrooms ...that's what happens when women settle for a guy they're not sexually attracted to. They're only "less visual" in a pragmatic/opportunistic way. Unfortunately, so many men are raised to conflate glorified prostitution with real sexual attraction.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 03:31 PM
6

In a twisted way, I'm sad to see the MeToo shit slowing down. It was waking people up.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 03:16 PM
18

My FEMALE English teacher read us this story back when I was in 7th grade. That shit would never happen today.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 03:09 PM
20

Here's a thought experiment for the femmies: Switch the genders. SHE's 11. HE's 20. Now, how do you feel? If I was the judge, she'd get the same sentence, not a slap on the wrist.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 12:25 PM
4

If men collectively realized how visual women really were, it would threaten their AF/BB strategy. If Mr. BB actually knew he was merely being settled for, he wouldn't marry her. Also, women wouldn't be able to run their "implied promise of sex" gambit to get special favors, gifts, white knights, etc. The sexual costs would rise dramatically just to maintain the same privilege they enjoy now.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 09:40 AM
27

Believe me, brother, women know EXACTLY what they're doing. They KNOW you speak valid points about your experiences, and THAT's why they shame you. By speaking out, you pose a threat to their game. As for the white knights, they're brainwashed into servitude thanks to how they were raised. White knights typically have thot mothers and cuck fathers, and that environment is all they know.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 09:32 AM
2

I can't wait to see the next MeToo story in the news. It's at the point now where every new name that pops up will have the opposite effect than the femmies intended.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 09:23 AM
54

Fuck Trudeau. That guy is the epitome of leftist intellectual flatulence.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 09:18 AM
1

I would say yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 09:07 AM
1

I don't understand the mentality of a guy trying to fuck a girl who clearly isn't that into him. Starfish sex sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 06:49 PM
3

Ah I see. Yeah, good point. She'll keep giving out the fresh milk elsewhere, but never with the guy who already bought the cow.
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 11:18 AM
5

Freedom. That's the very core thing that attracted me to MGTOW. Fuck the system. Fuck this culture. Fuck marriage. Fuck having kids. I will not be shamed into playing by society's rules.
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 11:16 AM
56

Amen, brother. Settlers are basically dishonest prostitutes. There's an undercurrent of resentment that eventually reveals itself once she feels she has him locked down. That's the point where she starts nagging constantly, weaponizing/rationing sex, playing games, etc. If you have to constantly "run dread game" just to keep the woman's behavior in check, chances are high she's settling.
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 11:08 AM
8

Rachel Gow actually spits a savage truth here. A genuinely good-hearted guy, not a "NiceGuy(TM)", is actually APPRECIATED if the girl finds him physically attractive.
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 11:05 AM
4

Woah! Daaaayum! How entitled can people get?
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 10:56 AM
2

explain
/r/MGTOW04/02/18 08:37 PM
56

Beta males are also OK with being settled FOR, which is a huge problem. "At least I'm getting laid" is their excuse, but believe me, the quality of sex he gets is not even close to what her past booty calls got for free. Unattractive men have to buy the cow for sour milk. Sex is the one commodity where FREEware is better quality than payware.
/r/MGTOW04/02/18 01:01 PM
1

I lean more in this direction. Sexbots will be Big Business, big enough to pay senators and influence politicians. The future is MALE!
/r/MGTOW04/02/18 10:14 AM
7

Keep that MeToo coming ladies hahahahaha :). At this point, I'm no longer annoyed, but REJOICE when another MeToo article pops up. Every new fake "rape" story from another attention whore/gold digger now only strengthens the resistance.
/r/MGTOW04/02/18 10:05 AM
18

Helping my mom care for my nephew over the last 2 years was a HUGE eye opener! He's 2 years old now, and man, you gotta be with that kid c-o-n-s-t-a-n-l-y. You gotta watch his every move so he doesn't hurt himself or break something. In the time it takes to leave the room and go take a piss, that kid could do some serious damage. He takes up all your time. By the end of the day, the last thing I'm thinking about is pussy. Will a kid dampen your sex life? Oh yeah, definitely. That said, settling …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 09:53 AM
2

PUAs, many redpillers, for-profit dating advice, gold diggers, etc. Many don't directly say the exact words, but the implication is quite clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 08:55 PM
2

B, even if she was ugly. Gotta actually LIKE the person, and I want to be treated fairly. No amount of hotness will ever make up for a lack in that department.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 05:22 PM
2

That same woman will overlook a modest income if she's sufficiently sexually attracted to him. Weed out the whores and settlers by living modestly.
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 04:52 PM
2

Only accept genuine desire. Yep, I definitely agree with that. So many guys are willing to accept being merely settled for, just because she's hotter than what he can normally get. That's the hidden reason behind so many relationship/marriage problems - cheating, sexless marriages, high-maintenance behavior, testiness/constant nagging, etc. Unfortunately, though, genuine desire isn't even realistic for a guy whose physically unattractive, extremely short or physically disabled. Not every guy can…
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 04:12 PM
2

Great post. A balanced perspective. I've meet man-haters IRL, and one thing they all had in common once they let their guard down - PAIN! Same shit applies with the genders reversed. We would come a long way to solving the gender divide if people stopped being such assholes to each other, and that shit goes both ways. This also means honesty even when it's inconvenient, and that ALSO goes both ways. Neither gender can honestly claim a monopoly on morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 09:30 AM
18

Ouch! lol
/r/MGTOW01/02/18 03:09 PM
5

I guarantee we're going to see a lot more of this over the next 10 to 20 years.
/r/MGTOW31/01/18 08:37 AM
1

Good advice.
/r/MGTOW31/01/18 07:03 AM
44

It really shows how bad things have gotten when a man longer needs prerequisite dating/sex experience to realize the game just isn't worth it anymore. There's a lot to be said about learning from the experience of others and not repeating their mistakes.
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 08:23 AM
5

I agree. There's often a financial incentive for this behavior, too. Many of the top members have Patreon accounts. In real life, "game" is NOT an attraction trigger, and I highly doubt those techniques dramatically changed those guys' dating lives. The only good advice is to lift and change your looks. THAT definitely works. Not "game", though. That shit's tragically overrated.
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 07:27 AM
2

Like I been saying, think of all your past relationships, fuckbuddies, etc, and realize all it takes is one LIE from any of them. This PoundMeToo shit is setting some pretty fucking scary precedents.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 11:24 AM
5

She's ready to prostitute herself to a man she has no sexual interest in for that stability and call it "love". The poor beta she settles for will buy the cow for sour milk after all the fresh cream was given away for free to men she WAS sexually attracted to. This is the main factor behind high divorce rates, cheating, sexless marriage, high maintenance/demanding behavior, game playing, constant nagging, resentment, etc. Mainstream media tries to pin the cause of these behaviors on other factor…
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 11:12 AM
1

I agree, OP. This idea that looks aren't important to woman is a cultural vestige that dates back to when women had to marry in order to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 09:11 AM
3

I wouldn't necessarily call them lucky, just spared from a potentially worse situation.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 01:44 PM
2

I think the MeToo witch hunt is what did it. Every girl you fuck is one more potential hazard. Doesn't matter if you did everything right. Doesn't matter if she was perfectly willing every single time. Doesn't matter if SHE pressured YOU for sex. All she has to do is LIE. I'm at the point now where if things fall through with the current girlfriend, I'm out of the game entirely. If or when that happens, I wait until those fuck dolls get a lot more realistic, then fucking buy one. No hookers. Fuc…
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 09:57 AM
3

Here's one: ALWAYS flush the condom down the toilet after use. Not the wastebin. The toilet, or somewhere she can't retrieve it. You never know who might spermjack you for a child support check.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 09:22 AM
4

The fucked up thing is, he would probably be charged with murder. Yet, she can abort the birth herself and it's perfectly legal.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 11:27 AM
1

This reminds me of that guy who posted on reddit about how his fiance told him she wanted to get pregnant via sperm donor because he was short, and she didn't want to have a short kid.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 11:25 AM
3

Young folks nowadays post very personal stuff for the whole world to see. I've seen it so many times. It's crazy.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 11:20 AM
2

We know damn well she lied about the "rape" to cover up her infidelity.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 11:15 AM
3

Dammit, woman, you can't negotiate attraction. That shit goes both ways.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 11:21 AM
15

There was a recent study that said a man nowadays needs to make FIVE TIMES his current salary to boost his "attractiveness" by ONE point on the 1-10 scale. Being rich isn't as effective as it used to be. Women nowadays are pretty much all about looks, and that's the root of their thot behavior. If you don't fit that "hot guy" image, she will always have that attitude like she's better than you.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 10:25 AM
3

Actually, she deserves an upvote for pointing out the fact that the app won't save you. So what if it was designed to? The fact is, it won't. A false sense of security is a dangerous thing.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 10:21 AM
6

This whole "MeToo" fiasco reeks of corrupt and powerful individuals trying to do away with the people's right to Due Process.
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 11:41 AM
4

Anal? lol
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 11:37 AM
12

I was in your exact same situation, and believe me, I know how frustrating and humiliating it feels. It's like the world is telling you you're not even "good enough" to be a beta provider. Never be jealous of those beta providers, no matter how hot the girl is, and I'll tell you why: In at least half of relationships and marriages, then woman is NOT genuinely sexually attracted to the guy, and is only willing to fuck him for pragmatic reasons. The sex her boyfriend gets is NOT EVEN CLOSE to what…
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 11:32 AM
19

Yep. Women complain when men do things like this, but often turn around and do the same thing. Btw, the gay part reminds me of something.... If it's a girl who doesn't know you well, I find an easy way to reject them is to tell them you're "gay". If they get pissy about it, just say the word "homophobic" and watch them squirm.
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 11:10 AM
11

She's basically reduced herself to a prostitute.
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 12:54 AM
10

I can't believe this isn't being upvoted more. This whole MeToo bruhaha is setting some very dangerous precedents. Bye bye right to due proces.
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 12:31 PM
3

Smash n Dash can work IF you can be sure the woman has no info on you like your real name, where you live, where you work, etc. Gotta be real careful these days, bro. They're really starting to push this "regret is rape" nonsense.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 07:41 PM
11

AMEN! That's my problem, too. Real women have a subtle musky smell and taste that drives me wild.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 11:59 AM
27

I say go ahead, girls lol. Maybe if everybody on both sides just started fucking bots, everybody would be happier.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 11:56 AM
6

That shit goes both ways. I don't go for short women, either lol.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 11:23 AM
5

I'm genuinely scared of what laws might be passed in response to the aftermath.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 11:18 AM
7

This "Regret Is Rape" narrative being pushed SCARES THE LIVING HELL OUT OF ME!! Think about it -- every ex-girlfriend you broke up with, every girl you've ever dated, every one night stand. Every single one of them is a potential danger to your reputation, your career, your life.... Man, oh man, this shit is gonna backfire so severely on women over the coming years, and people are so damn short-sighted/emotionally blinded that they can't see it.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 11:07 AM
1

Exactly my type of build - big booty, big titties, thick thighs. Good to see these companies doing something else besides the same old skinny look.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 09:58 PM
2

Money and fame only make you "attractive" in a pragmatic sense. Just because a woman is willing to prostitute herself to a plain/ugly rich guy doesn't mean she enjoys it. Too many men conflate materialistic intent with sexual attraction, and that's how they end up in shitty relationships with women who were never actually into them.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 02:18 AM
5

only sex with Alphas is legitimate, all else is assault or rape. Exactly! This is the real reason why feminists continue to broaden the definition of "rape". It's still too early in the game for them to blatantly admit this, but make no mistake about it, criminalizing all expression of sexual interest by physically unattractive men IS their end goal.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 02:11 AM
91

Spending it on themselves. Yep. No surprise there lol.
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 08:04 PM
2

They conveniently "forget" to mention the boyfriend/husband all the time.
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 07:57 PM
2

Sleeping with married women and being absolutely horrified by the things they confessed about their husbands. Marriage today has become nothing short of fraud for men.
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 07:52 PM
3

"Why would a woman lie about being raped?" LMAO!
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 07:53 AM
3

Yep. Modern feminism is basically weaponized beta hate and beta slavery.
/r/MGTOW13/01/18 01:50 PM
8

The biggest liars claim they never lie.
/r/MGTOW13/01/18 08:25 AM
3

I can confirm this as well. If a woman is truly, genuinely sexually attracted to you, she'll go out of her way to please you in bed. That's a side of her the beta provider never gets to see. Female attraction is VERY two-faced.
/r/MGTOW13/01/18 02:31 AM
12

That's exactly what we see today. So many Christians claim they're the "bride of Christ", but are actually spiritual gold diggers.
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 06:32 AM
8

LMAO! Only fuck boys CAN turn a hoe into a housewife. Nice try, sweetheart.
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 06:29 AM
3

And that's exactly how women WANT it. If men collectively understood women, women would panic... No more special favors, privileges, gifts, white knights, etc, and no more beta providers to bail them out when they hit the wall.
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 06:27 AM
7

Yet another settling whore lol. Just because a woman is in a relationship or marriage with a guy doesn't mean she's genuinely attracted to him.
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 06:23 AM
6

I fully concur with the suggestion of mandatory reporting periods. Any sane person can see the real "metoo" agenda for what it actually is - gold/fame digging.
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 05:28 AM
2

Being successful with women will redpill you just as profoundly as being an incel/ugly dude.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 02:52 PM
6

I refuse to buy pussy that other men got for free. Same here. They're giving it up to the "alpha male" for free during their best years, then want to charge YOU a king's ransom for infrequent, starfish sex when they're all used up.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 02:36 PM
3

Oh, time's up alright...for THEM! They're setting themselves up for a very serious backlash, but are too short-sighted and blinded by their emotions to see it.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 02:28 PM
3

I don't throw around the term "mentally ill" lightly, but this guy fits the bill. That is so messed up.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 02:09 PM
1

"I can't see a non-sexist justification for that". We can. One word: Fear. Fear of false accusations.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 02:03 PM
32

The Left doesn't want "tolerance". They want FORCED ACCEPTANCE.
/r/MGTOW10/01/18 08:35 PM
6

Any woman who seriously pulls this shit isn't relationship material anyways. I don't even bother trying to "win" their "shit tests". If she displays any of that toxic/testy behavior, NEXT them immediately and don't look back. Contrary to PUA/Redpill dogma, most women DON'T act like that with a man she's genuinely attracted to, only the guys they're merely willing to settle for. It makes perfect sense, too. When she's settling, there's an undercurrent of resentment, hence the constant nitpicking,…
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 11:09 PM
3

There was an oldschool feminist that wrote in one of her books how she had a thing for 14 year old boys. Forgot the name, though. Also, in the original Vagina Monologues, the main character wasn't a grown woman, but a young teenage girl. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if "pedosexuals" become the new "oppressed group".
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 10:59 PM
15

Yep. I once got dumped for some fat, short dude 20 years older than me, just because he was rich. A year later she came back out of nowhere complaining about her sex life. LMAO!
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 08:44 PM
9

Good advice. Yeah, that article IS sad, because if we're honest with ourselves, at least 50% of relationships are exactly like this. Women by and large value commitment and security more than love once they hit the wall. The men they want won't commit to them, so they settle for a guy they have no real physical attraction to, and this is the result. Women are basically socialized to think like a prostitute when seeking commitment, and men are socialized to think like johns/punters.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 08:30 PM
11

What frustrates the hell out of me is how the incels don't understand it's better to be single and alone than be some settling whore's Beta Bux. I tried showing them this: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/magnetic-partners/201608/the-consequences-no-physical-attraction ....but got trolled to Hell and back for it.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 08:14 PM
4

Prediction: 70 and 80 year old women will start pulling the same shit. You heard it here first.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 08:01 PM
9

Things are looking good right now, but just wait. You know the feminists will come up with some crazy law to "fix" it. EDIT: Here's one future possibility - female-only companies, and the law allowing it (but not vice versa).
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 07:42 PM
4

Lack of dating success. It's just common sense. If women treat you like you're unattractive, you ARE unattractive. PERIOD! How can it be fixed? By becoming attractive. Men are waking up to the fact that many women will tell a plain/ugly guy he's "attractive" just to boost his confidence or make him feel better about himself. I've seen this happen so many times, and in private, many have blatantly told me they do this. That's why you have so many plain looking guys who think they're "good looking…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 08:30 PM
1

Kudos, brother. You're damn right, using sex as a manipulation tool is an absolute deal breaker.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 07:57 PM
1

LOL! Holy shit. Seems it's no coincidence every Russian girl I dated liked taking it in the ass.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 07:51 PM
3

If this comes true, let 'em do it. I really don't care lol.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 07:49 PM
6

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now that I think of it, we didn't see this kind of stuff just 15 years ago. Back then, fatties knew their level and didn't dare make such demands.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 07:40 PM
4

Ok then. If I ever end up having a son, I'll just name him "Jessica" and he can go by "Jesse" in day to day life lol.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 07:33 PM
9

WOW! This is a definite eye opener. I wouldn't have guess this, either.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 07:29 PM
2

According to that study, you'd have to make FIVE times your current salary to boost your score just ONE point. It seems that an unemployed hot guy in today's world has a higher SMV than an average looking neurosurgeon! Please consider the implications.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 07:31 PM
2

Too many bluepilled guys take studies like this and interpret it to mean wealth makes a man more sexually attractive, conflating pragmatism/opportunism/glorified prostitution with genuine attraction.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 07:10 PM
3

In today's day and age, Bill IS being smart. Way too much "creep" paranoia going on out there.
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 05:49 PM
3

I have no words.... Wow. Just wow.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 06:24 PM
2

I hear ya, OP. Calling women "plates" or "targets" is not only cringe-worthy, but creepy as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 06:11 PM
1

"Sexual harassment" hysteria is basically just weaponized lookism.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 10:24 PM
1

Here we go, yet again, conflating genuine attraction with materialistic opportunism. Being "attractive" for a relationship/marriage isn't the same thing as sexual attraction. "Offsetting lower physical attractiveness" my ass!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:13 PM
1

I second this. If the guy is low SMV, he really shouldn't even bother with marriage and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 07:55 PM
9

And yet those same women will feverishly DENY that any of this is true, because if men collectively woke up to this, women stand to LOSE most of those free favors, gifts, financial help, free meals, etc.
/r/MGTOW18/12/17 03:44 AM
5

Damn, shed a tear reading this. Would've liked to have a son (PLANNED, of course), but am in the exact same situation as you. The world has definitely changed :(.
/r/MGTOW13/12/17 10:30 AM
2

LOL! My sides are splitting...
/r/MGTOW13/12/17 06:13 AM
5

She missed the point entirely. The danger is FALSE accusations.
/r/MGTOW12/12/17 06:39 PM
3

AMEN, brother! As if ugly/short/disabled men aren't already bullied and ostracized enough. I say let them stick around, and show them the TRUTH, not the fucking door. Not all unattractive men are rape apologists and serial killers.
/r/MGTOW11/12/17 06:51 PM
1

Something smells very fishy about that. You don't have to have prior dating experience to see female nature for what it is. That's like saying "if you know so much about basketball, why aren't you in the NBA?", or "You weren't there in WW2, so you can't be a historian".
/r/MGTOW11/12/17 06:28 PM
4

Cuckholding should be a crime punishable by the death penalty. I think the ancient abramic law had it right in this case.
/r/MGTOW11/12/17 06:11 PM
63

This isn't talked about enough. If you don't fit the alpha male image, your girlfriend's friends will try their best to shame her into breaking up with you.
/r/MGTOW11/12/17 06:02 PM
2

You don't have to break the law or commit crimes to be a shitty person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 05:19 PM
-1

Solution? More public awareness that this problem is indeed real, not just some manosphere fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 03:43 PM
10

Oldest female trick in the book: The illusion that you could get her. Most guys only give money, favors, gifts, etc, because they think they have a chance.
/r/MGTOW10/12/17 01:26 PM
214

How the fuck is this even possible?!
/r/MGTOW10/12/17 01:21 PM
2

Let's see, here... Punishing men for talking to women, AND punishing men for IGNORING women. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. The powers that be are up to something, and I bet it ain't got shit to do with sexual harassment. It's as if their real motive was removing men from the workforce entirely, or at least limiting them to low-paying shit jobs. Nevermind the economic impact, just the socio-sexual impact alone would be enough to bring western civilization to its knees.
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 03:31 PM
20

Women have height requirements. Men have width requirements. Yet, the women are praised while the men are vilified. Double standard.
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 03:18 PM
1

Time to start your own small businesses, folks. FUCK the big corporations. Better to be a self-employed auto mechanic, plumber or software developer.
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 03:14 PM
6

Apparently 75% of that 27% are men, so what percentage of men in general might this imply? Seems like the article is trying it's best to downplay/minimize that percentage. I laugh when people claim sexbots aren't a threat to female privilege. The smarter women are definitely afraid. It's the dumb ones who remain blissfully overconfident and underestimate the potential market for those things. If even just 20% of men decided to completely drop out of the sexual marketplace, and basically tell wom…
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 03:00 PM
16

Women will find a way to punish men for avoiding them. You just watch. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens next. Think about it. You avoid women because you don't want to lose your job, and then they want to threaten your job for avoiding them. If they back men into a corner like that, shit's gonna hit the fan.
/r/MGTOW08/12/17 03:38 PM
0

Female Sober Not just consent, but DESIRE. Merely "wiling" doesn't cut it. Single Big butt
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 03:31 PM
1

There will definitely be unintended consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 03:20 PM
1

These recent events are definitely gonna have lasting consequences.
/r/MGTOW08/12/17 03:02 PM
5

On the bright side, height isn't everything. I remember hanging out with a couple guys who were shorter than average, but very good looking, and feeling like shit whenever we'd go out. I had the clear height advantage, but that was nothing compared to those guys. The girls would totally ignore me, but swooned over them. Moral to the story? If you're short, then "looksmax". Unless you're below 5'5", you'll still be well above average in the attraction department.
/r/MGTOW08/12/17 02:40 PM
2

Just another article intended to push the standard narrative. Gotta keep those beta males deluded, otherwise bye-bye Female Privilege.
/r/MGTOW08/12/17 02:30 PM
2

Holy shit! Wow...
/r/MGTOW08/12/17 02:17 PM
4

oooooo this shit is gonna backfire....
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 11:12 PM
4

The fact that this thread got upvotes despite all the hate in the comments says "yes". While many incels are obviously pretty fucked up, I suspect the smart/sane ones are starting to see the bullshit for what it is and convert to the MGTOW side.
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 07:00 PM
17

I've heard it said that male feminists are more likely to be sexual predators than non feminists. Makes perfect sense if you think about it.
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 06:26 PM
1

Damn right. Every LTR I've had, they tried to push for marriage after a few years. I made it clear that was not gonna happen.
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 05:52 PM
13

"....normie life too much hassle." That's the essence of MGTOW right there. Too much hassle, so you go your own way. Welcome aboard :). I recommend staying away from the incel boards. Too toxic. Stick around over here. Far more sane and intelligent. As for the jealousy part, just look at it this way: The way women are today, you get with a girl, and there's a good chance you'll find yourself in an even WORSE position. Imagine being an incel again (sexless marriage), but now you're stuck living w…
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 05:38 PM
5

Pretty much. Seems to be the safest bet nowadays.
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 05:19 PM
15

Yeah really. Seems like people are just seeing the word "incel" in the title and getting triggered.
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 04:48 PM
2

Yeah, they're pretty much bluepillers in many respects. Their tactics have basic attraction requirements attached for it to even work, which gives false hope and more years of frustration to the very guys they claim "need" it the most. I don't buy into the idea that the majority of them are "normal guys". It's mainly the guys who have difficulty getting dates or keeping relationships that seek out dating advice.
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 04:43 PM
40

AMEN, brother. Divide and conquer. That's exactly what the powers that be are doing.
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 04:34 PM
9

I'm posting this because it's obvious many are lurking on this sub. They'd benefit more by hanging out here than on the incel boards.
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 04:20 PM
36

You know things are getting bad when big corporate entities start showing token resistance. lol
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 01:49 PM
3

Let's hope so. If we can't find a way to restore balance to the sexual marketplace, soon enough, and in a civilized way, future generations are screwed.
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 01:35 PM
14

Women no longer have to marry in order to survive, or depend on men as a source of income like in previous generations. Today's women have grown up being able to support themselves. Since their materialistic needs are largely taken care of, they can afford to pick their partners based on height, looks, etc. BTW, mark my words, it's only going to get worse over time. As women's standards become more and more unrealistic, today's "average joes" will be tomorrow's omega males/incels. Once that happ…
/r/MGTOW06/12/17 11:31 PM
10

It's definitely a bubble. The current state of the sexual marketplace isn't sustainable. Once it bursts, it's gonna take generations for society to heal. Women will remember the privilege they once held and they're gonna hold a grudge for that. Men will remember how they were exploited, and THEY will hold a grudge.
/r/MGTOW06/12/17 10:35 PM
3

Most of women's privilege comes from omega and lower-beta males - the same demographic that's most likely to buy these things. It's no wonder they're scared.
/r/MGTOW06/12/17 09:37 PM
1

Unless he changes his looks, he always will be beta. Trying to change anything else just makes him "tryhard". He has to get rid of that beta look. This concept isn't limited to just omega males.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/17 07:18 PM
3

Nonetheless, if a guy LOOKS beta, he will always be a beta. No matter how much his wealth. No matter how well he grooms/fashions himself. He will always be a beta male, and expected to play the beta role. If a man doesn't have the "alpha" look, the best he can aim for is being an effective Beta Bux.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/17 06:59 PM
2

As long as nobody advocates violence or rape, any guy is welcome in my book. Why should we shame and cast out guys who can't get laid? If we do that, we're no better than women. I think incels would really benefit from reading all the horror stories and seeing for themselves why marriage is such a terrible idea for men in today's environment, and why a man has to be borderline paranoid even with a casual booty call -- sperm thieves, false "rape" accusers, etc, etc.
/r/MGTOW06/12/17 02:05 PM
19

Yep. The difference between asking a woman out and "sexual harassment" is her attraction to the guy. Laws that were originally meant to protect women are being turned into weaponized lookism/classism.
/r/MGTOW06/12/17 01:57 PM
1

A good measure of how attracted a girl is is how much you can get away with. Being a "jerk" weeds out the settlers and ho's splendidly. It doesn't "attract" women on its own, just scares the diggers away, and what's left are usually those who genuinely want your cock.
/r/MGTOW06/12/17 12:27 PM
3

I've noticed that guys who never had CLOSE "chad" or "jock" friends tend to be very bluepilled about attraction, particularly in how much looks come into play.
/r/MGTOW06/12/17 12:23 PM
4

The fuss about him contacting her on a separate platform is just smoke and mirrors. The real issue is she found him unattractive and he didn't seem to get the hint.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 01:56 PM
2

Personally, I'm not at all turned on by sexbots, BUT I vehemently support them. Get the low-sexual-status males to fully go their own way, and women stand to lose a huge chunk of their privilege. No more special treatment, gifts, favors, free meals, etc. Doesn't matter if you're a mannequin fucker or not, this is something men should collectively rally behind.
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 01:41 PM
2

I've often made a habit of claiming I'm "gay" at any new job, just to avoid all the potential dangers of the workplace. Works splendidly. Since you're "gay", women don't automatically assume everything you do has sexual intent. As an added bonus, you get a slice of that "minority privilege" pie - social leverage a STRAIGHT white male doesn't have.
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 01:29 PM
1

As crazy and fucked up as many of them are, they're surprisingly perceptive at times. For example, it was the incel/omega crowd who pointed out that game and redpill tactics have certain basic attractiveness requirements for them to work. The PUA and redpill communities are just now beginning to agree with this and incorporate it into their belief system.
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 12:09 PM
3

It's stuff like this that made me leave the redpill. If I have to be that kind of person to keep a girl, I'd rather just lose her. Too toxic. Also "AWALT" is bullshit. I had to leave TRP and the PUA community to understand that. Plenty of good women out there, only problem is they don't date just average guys. If you're a genuinely attractive man, you'll find them. No games, no drama, no "testy" or flaky behavior. Oh yes, they're definitely out there, but TRP won't acknowledge that otherwise the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 11:30 AM
2

Our culture raises women to disassociate themselves from their sexuality, and to ignore their lack of physical attraction when seeking commitment. It's no wonder why they're often so neurotic and high-maintenance.
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 11:19 AM
3

Yep. I've had more than one woman say there are men for sex and men for marriage. Very two-faced and sneaky, IMHO.
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 11:17 AM
20

Great advice. Bitch tries this shit, I'll MAKE her take one in front of me, otherwise there's the door.
/r/MGTOW04/12/17 10:15 PM
22

Fuckshitpissfuckshitpissfuckshitpiss&&$#&$*#! This makes me so angry :(. So damn deceptive, and the worst part is, it isn't even illegal.
/r/MGTOW04/12/17 10:13 PM
3

I'd say both are true. It's a double whammy. Saying they're not real men unless they play the game increases the demand. "Looks don't matter" inflates the supply.
/r/MGTOW04/12/17 08:29 PM
10

We definitely agree here. What's fucked up is how women are so damn two-faced. I feel terrible for Mr. I-Guess-He'll-Do. He won't get the passionate, genuine side of her, just her gold digging side, then she turns around and tries to pass it off as "mature love".
/r/MGTOW04/12/17 08:11 PM
12

You'd be surprised how many people DON'T know this stuff, like guys who spent to much time in the PUA/redpill community, bluepilled dudes, etc. Also, the same women will gold dig one guy while having genuine feelings for someone else. Every woman has her price, but that doesn't mean female lust and emotions aren't just as real.
/r/MGTOW04/12/17 07:57 PM
1

I definitely agree with everything here. ...and fried eggs resting on a bowling ball? Damn lol that was good.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 07:47 PM
3

Average looking and below men...will not be lusted after like they lust after women. The same doesn't apply for those of us in the "top 20%". I assure you, female lust is indeed real, just not for the "bottom 80%". The threshold for sexual arousal is much higher for women than it is for men. We can fuck a "3" and get off. Most women need an "8".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 07:21 PM
1

Of course there's guys who know what they're doing, and they deserve what they got coming to them. That said, I really don't think the majority of guys are interested in a prostitute. Personally, if I even so much as suspect she's settling or got an ulterior motive, I dump her ass and don't look back no matter how hot she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 07:04 PM
6

Of course gold diggers get wifed up all the time....to men who think women are "less visual" in a sexual way. If men weren't so clueless about attraction, those gold diggers would have a much harder time finding someone dumb enough to marry them. They'd know better than to trust just any hottie who shows them "interest". I don't think you realize how many men out there REALLY ACTUALLY BELIEVE women are "sexually" attracted to a man's wealth or status. I've heard this said verbatim, word for word…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 06:38 PM
5

Sex can be negotiated. Not attraction. A woman stands to gain much more if a man commits to her, but most men won't commit to a woman unless he believes she is sexually ATTRACTED to him. There's a huge difference between a woman whose willing to fuck if he provides enough vs a woman who WANTS to fuck. Ms Wants To Fuck is genuinely into him and girlfriend material. Ms Willing To Fuck is just a gold digging whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 05:06 PM
142

"When comic Marcia Belsky sarcastically replied “men are scum” to a friend’s Facebook post back in October, she never anticipated being banned from the platform for 30 days. That was exactly what happened. Belsky was shocked at the severity of the punishment considering her relatively innocuous comment....." "Innocuous" my fucking ass! How about "BLACKS are scum", or "GAYS are scum". Not so "innocuous" now, is it? LMAO!
/r/MGTOW04/12/17 02:50 PM
2

You can bet the divorce lawyers over there are foaming at the mouth in excitement haha.
/r/MGTOW04/12/17 02:40 PM
7

The looks issue is absolutely taboo, yes. The truth on a mass scale would not only threaten the whole AF/BB thing, but also consider this: How many fancy cars, houses, boats, jewels and other expensive items have men purchased because they believe female sexual attraction can be negotiated? Lastly, let's not forget the sellers of for-profit "dating advice" who stand to lose a lot of business.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 12:56 PM
1

Dishonest prostitutes. Yep, pretty much. If he isn't "chad", she's ho'ing.
/r/MGTOW03/12/17 10:41 PM
3

Yeah, I feel ya. I, too, am very concerned about the message being sent. Seems as if sexual harassment legislation is turning into weaponized lookism. Whenever it becomes not the action itself, but WHO's doing it, I don't see that ending well. There will definitely be some unintended cultural consequences. How in the hell do they expect people to even get together and meet if men become so afraid to even talk to a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/17 10:24 PM
1

Good looks. Muscular. Sixpack. Broad shoulders. Chiseled face. Full head of hair....the kind of stuff that actually matters in practice, not what they pay lip service to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/17 10:21 PM
3

Damn straight. Amen, brother. That's why I follow the "Fuckbuddies First rule" - If she ain't willing to be just friends with benefits and no commitments, she absolutely CANNOT be trusted for any kind of relationship. It weeds out the settling ho's splendidly :). It really says a lot about the state of the dating game when my most stable and happiest long term relationships all started out as booty calls. The physical attraction was there in spades, and man, those relationships were just fucking…
/r/MGTOW03/12/17 09:41 PM
2

It's definitely unfortunate, but men are far better off accepting it, then working to use it to their own advantage. Sexual attraction works independently of a man's character. Status and wealth aren't sexual trigger's either. They're just HO BAIT :).
/r/MGTOW03/12/17 09:34 PM
1

Closure. Man, just that one word means so much. I understand exactly how you feel. It's so much better to know your looks are the problem and go from there, instead of all this feel-good softie CRAP society feeds "low-value" males. People really don't understand the damage they do with that kind of "advice". I wasted almost 20 years of my life busting my ass trying to fix things that weren't even broken, when all that time all I needed was an image overhaul and 3 years of bodybuilding. Nowadays,…
/r/MGTOW03/12/17 09:27 PM
6

Your observation about $$ is right on point. It does keep coming back to that. If he ain't good looking, she's ho'ing, either for what resources he already has, or in anticipation of future resources.
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 11:48 PM
1

You can be they ain't doing it for Average Joe lol.
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 10:03 PM
7

I'll toke to that :). Cheers.
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 09:48 PM
4

He can't be delusional, though. His confidence must be rooted in something tangible and concrete, otherwise it just comes off as creepy. Also, confidence alone doesn't trigger attraction where there was none before. It simply amplifies already pre-existing physical attraction.
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 09:29 PM
3

I don't do that anymore, and for the exact reasons you stated. My point was, be sexually attractive, not materialistically "attractive". Yes, we need to promote honor among men. I definitely agree with that.
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 09:15 PM
3

I think you're right, really. Women are more visual as far as their sexual attraction threshold goes. Case in point: Fat girls get laid. Fat guys don't. This idea that said fat guy can override a woman's lack of physical attraction by "stimulating her mind and emotions" is just PUA and gold digger bullshit. Really, there's a reason women didn't put up much of a fuss when PUA went mainstream, and it's not the reason the PUAs claim it is. The real reason is the PUAs preach the same Big Lie the wom…
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 09:02 PM
4

A lot of this has to do with the fact that we're brought up believing a lot of misinfo about attraction. The reality is "friendship" traits do not trigger sexual feelings in a woman. Sexual attraction operates independently of a man's character, intelligence, faithfulness, income, social status, morality, etc. Unfortunately, you have so many gold diggers, settlers and sellers of for-profit "dating advice" who see it in their best interests to claim otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/17 07:59 PM
5

There are many groups responsible for this deception - "marriage minded" ho's seeking a beta provider, gold diggers, status whores, sellers of for-profit "dating advice", etc. Another big one is commercial interests. You can't sell as many boats, houses, cars, jewels, etc, if men collectively understood female sexual attraction can't be negotiated. "Looks don't matter" is a deeply-rooted, systemic scam with so many unsavory people seeking to benefit or profit from it.
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 07:20 PM
12

Keep 'em coming, thots. More, more MORE! lmao They're just doing our work for us.
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 07:14 PM
5

Wasn't there something a while ago about air conditioners being sexist?
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 07:10 PM
16

Men who believe women are just as visual as men are the only guys who truly understand that female sexual attraction cannot be negotiated. Not the PUAs. Not even many Redpillers. The very core of all female game is the myth that they're "less visual". Without it, they can't run their "implied promise of sex" gambit on the ugly fellows to get gifts, favors, beta providers, etc. Women need their marks to believe they're SEXUALLY attracted to them, otherwise their tactics won't work.
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 06:56 PM
21

All the recent "sex crime" bruhaha is DEFINITELY going to have long term effects. BTW, is it just me, or does it all look too "perfect" and staged, like something planned by the powers that be?
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 06:08 PM
2

What do you do? Avoid marriage like the plague. Accept the reality that any women who claims to be "interested" in you probably has an ulterior motive, and those kinds of relationships don't end well.
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 04:55 PM
2

What's fucked up is, if you're "chad", those same HR girls are a sure-fire way to get the job. They go out of their way to railroad you through the ranks and get you in.
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 01:47 PM
8

Of course they feel threatened, but not for the reasons they say. It has nothing to do with "consent" or "objectification" or any other excuse they make up. The real reason they're afraid is because those "losers" are their livelihood -- free drinks, free meals, a beta provider for marriage, gifts, white knights, etc.
/r/MGTOW02/12/17 01:50 AM
3

I'm convinced that "sexual harrassment" laws are just women's way of using the legal system to enforce a sexual hierarchy and punish the beta/omega males for not "knowing their place".
/r/MGTOW01/12/17 11:19 PM
3

The very root of the entire issue is the attraction imbalance. Women are generally only sexually attracted to a minority of men, whereas men are far more liberal. When I mentioned male ignorance, I was referring to those who accept the settling. Most aren't aware that they're being sexually settled on, nor are they aware of the problems that come with it (those I listed in the OP), otherwise they'd never accept it.
/r/MGTOW01/12/17 11:11 PM
5

You're right. Much of the problem is male ignorance, though. If they realized they were merely being settled for, they wouldn't commit, and women know this. Those guys who DO know she's settling? He deserves what he gets.
/r/MGTOW01/12/17 10:33 PM
4

80/20 rule is definitely the reason. Mr 20% won't commit, so she marries Mr 80% and divorce rapes him once his usefulness runs out.
/r/MGTOW01/12/17 10:31 PM
2

Most of what passes for "education" nowadays is indoctrination. I laugh when people brag about how "educated" they are, as if it makes them more inherently intelligent. It doesn't. The ability to memorize large volumes of text by rote, and taking it purely on faith that the information they receive is correct, is not a true measure of intellectual ability.
/r/MGTOW01/12/17 08:37 PM
5

I've been tossing around the idea of expatriating as well. Not sure where, yet. Gotta get out of the West. Shit's gonna hit the fan eventually, and I want OUT!
/r/MGTOW01/12/17 06:08 PM
5

ALWAYS dispose of the condom in a way the woman can't get to it, like flushing it down the toilet, etc. Gotta watch out for sperm thieves looking to score a child support check.
/r/MGTOW30/11/17 10:00 PM
1

Be attractive. What matters is not "how" you ask, but "who" does the asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 09:06 PM
2

Oh but of course. If women want commitment, they generally have to whore themselves out to a guy they're sexually "meh" about, because they men they actually want are out of their league. Female settling in the attraction department is the dirty little secret behind so many relationship problems - cheating, high divorce risk, game playing, resentment, demanding behavior (he has to continually compensate for the shitty sex), sexless marriages, etc. If her man isn't "chad" to her, she's basically …
/r/MGTOW30/11/17 04:32 PM
1

Stuff like this is why I laugh when guys claim women are "attracted" to men with money/wealth or social status. They're only "attracted" to those things in a pragmatic/practical way, not a sexual way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 04:24 PM
1

Must be attracted to me in a raw, primal way. I want a mate, not a prostitute. No emotional baggage. No game playing or manipulative behavior. Same basic values and worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 04:17 PM
1

Is calling out anti-white racism racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 04:08 PM
1

"Not all men have to trade power and resources for sex. Not women have to trade sex for power and resources" Exactly. Truly attractive men get it for free. The rest gotta pay in one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 04:06 PM
1

If you're out of shape, balding and dress like shit, all the "game" in the world won't make you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 03:45 PM
3

No. When you're in your 30s and 40s, your tastes change accordingly. A 34 year old woman looks "old" when you're 20, but looks "hot" when you're 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 03:43 PM
2

Game helps, but honestly, it's vastly overrated in its effectiveness. You'll see far more improvement in your dating life by lifting, dressing better, skin care, maybe some dental work, and in extreme cases, plastic surgery. For over 15 years, I fully bought into PUA and redpill philosophy, actively going out and applying their concepts religiously. My results after all that time and effort were pathetic. If anything, it made me even MORE unattractive! Sure, I eventually lost my virginity after …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 03:31 PM
1

The best that unattractive men can do is be an effective "beta provider". No real passion or sexual energy on her part. She'll likely grow to resent him eventually. Too many men see ugly guys with women and naively assume that's proof that women are "less visual" in a sexual way, when the truth is they're only "less visual" in a pragmatic/practical sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 02:42 PM
15

This has been my experience as well. After I spent a few years in the gym and completely overhauled my image, the game completely changed. I became acutely aware of the double standard. The man she WANTS gets it for FREE, but the guy she settles for has to pay through the nose for it, and what she gives in return isn't even as good as what the other guy gets. To put this another way, "Chad" gets the fresh milk for free, but "Joe" has to buy the cow just for sour milk.
/r/MGTOW14/11/17 12:54 PM
2

Once she's already snagged her beta provider, the story changes. I used to actively seek out women who've already established LTR's with ugly guys, because they're so disgustingly easy to get into bed. Single women who haven't gotten their beta slave yet have to virtue signal "not a slut", otherwise they'd scare away the walking wallets they're trying to attract.
/r/MGTOW13/11/17 03:59 PM
7

Stuff like this is why I don't value intelligence in a woman lol.
/r/MGTOW13/11/17 02:18 PM
3

THIS is why MGTOW exists. I'm as horny as any other guy, but can't help thinking of this stuff in the back of my mind even if the girl literally throws herself at me. What a world we live in, eh?
/r/MGTOW13/11/17 11:31 AM
13

Yep. If you been SENT your own way, might as well just GO your own way.
/r/MGTOW12/11/17 12:28 PM
1

These women are shooting themselves in the foot lol. Now they'll have to advance their careers based on real merit and will find it harder to just fuck/suck their way to the top.
/r/MGTOW12/11/17 12:16 PM
2

TPTB know men are waking up, so they're stepping their game up.
/r/MGTOW12/11/17 10:08 AM
1

Always worked great for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/17 10:52 PM
1

I'm only interested in that minority who do and still stick around. Too many settlers out there. Not taking any chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/17 10:22 PM
2

You're not alone. Lots of others do the same thing. That's why I said "when the dust clears". It's better to be assumed to be a player than trapped in an unhealthy/unhappy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/17 07:07 PM
1

That's why I tell them early on that I'm "not" interested in a relationship or commitment. When the dust clears, date those who still stick around. Too many women out there handing out "chances" like chocolates to men they're sexually/romantically lukewarm about because they value commitment more than attraction, and then we guys wonder why our relationships and marriages have so many problems - high divorce risk, cheating, game playing, demanding/neurotic behavior, sexless marriages, mutual res…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/17 06:51 PM
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Yeah, she sounds like a settler, so you dodged a bullet with that one. If she gives you any BS about "falling for you over time", she's not cut out for a relationship with you anyways. Women are raised to ignore their level of attraction for a guy when seeking commitment. I used to actively seek out women who were in relationships with ugly guys because I knew her sexual needs weren't being met. Getting laid with them is as easy as taking candy from a baby.
/r/MGTOW11/11/17 05:53 PM
5

Damn right. It's fucking scary. I can only imagine the future implications of this trend.
/r/MGTOW11/11/17 05:22 PM
2

Lol, fat AND a narcissist? Oooo what an "honor" it must be to be "deserving" of someone like that.
/r/MGTOW11/11/17 05:20 PM
2

MGTOW is definitely the final stage. I'd love to get married or live together, etc, but it's all just too damn risky nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/17 04:37 PM
3

Amen, brother. Good women exist. There's plenty of assholes, cheats, gold diggers and whatnot, but guys shoot themselves in the foot by thinking all women are "like that".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/17 04:25 PM
1

Romance/love is a proven reality for me. That's where I split from the Redpill/MGTOW/Incel crowd. While I understand the finer point the saying "AWALT" is trying to make, guys shoot themselves in the foot by believing it to be literal truth. Things like compliments, gifts and stuff like that are fine, just as long as you're not a social retard about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/17 04:22 PM
17

MGTOWS: "Fuck this, I quit". Incels: "Fuck this, GO ER!!!! RAAAAAAARRRRRRGH! Goddammitshitfuckpissfuckshitpiss*%$#%$#%$#!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/17 04:12 PM
7

So much this. I lived in their world through my teens and 20's, and believe me, it's a completely different world than everyone else. Appearance matters far more than we're taught to believe, but people who don't have significant problems with their appearance are completely sheltered from that reality. That's the root cause of friction between incels and everyone else. How do you learn social skills when people take one look at you and shun you before you've even had a chance to open your mouth…
/r/MGTOW10/11/17 10:14 AM
3

Here's something to thing about: Consider how the trope "women are less visual than men" leads to the belief that female sexual attraction can be negotiated. When men believe attraction can be negotiated, entitled thinking is the inevitable result.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/17 09:50 AM
1

You can just imagine the bruhaha that would happen if all men started wearing height-increasing shoes.
/r/MGTOW10/11/17 09:14 AM
1

For once, I agree with Jessica. Bring it on, girl. You're just doing our job for us. It'll wake more and more men up to the bullshit.
/r/MGTOW10/11/17 09:08 AM
2

LMAO! This is good.
/r/MGTOW10/11/17 08:59 AM
10

Welcome aboard :).
/r/MGTOW09/11/17 08:11 AM
10

Misunderstanding on what MGTOW is really about. The news media and the feminists purposefully twist things to suit their agenda, and most people don't even bother to question what they're being told.
/r/MGTOW09/11/17 08:09 AM
3

It's definitely fucked up, and quite sad, too. Women are socialized from an early age to pass off pragmatic opportunism and settling as "attraction". This is why so many relationships are full of drama and other baggage. So much neurotic female behavior stems from the fact that they're basically prostituting themselves and trying to convince themselves this is "real love".
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 07:42 PM
4

EXACTLY what my dad taught me as a kid. He always said never talk about religion or politics around anyone you're not close to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 06:27 PM
6

We'll agree to disagree. Let's just leave it at that.
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 05:46 PM
8

No. I believe things will get that bad if current trends continue the way they are.
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 05:22 PM
3

Thanks, brother :).
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 03:31 PM
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I know you mean well, and no disrespect intended, but it's more complicated than that. The problem isn't a lack of sex, but being fully aware of the fact that they're so unattractive that nobody desires them. That's a whole different ballgame than someone abstaining from sexual relations voluntarily. Also, it's not just one girl, but being rejected by literally EVERY woman they've ever had interest in, often for literally decades straight. It's not about a few minutes of pleasure, but being cont…
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 03:10 PM
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I agree. If she doesn't find you "good enough" for just sex without commitment, then she cannot be trusted for commitment. Personally, I believe marriage should be avoided, but if a guy is hellbent on getting married despite the risks, he needs to weed out the settlers. Too many women value commitment more than sexual attraction, and this is the dirty little secret behind so many ills - cheating, sexless marriages, game playing, demanding/testy/high maintenance behavior, high divorce rates, rese…
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 02:00 PM
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Unless we as a society start taking more seriously the plight of men with low sexual value, I can guarantee there will be a dramatic rise in such lashing out. Assuming women's standards continue to rise, today's betas will be tomorrow's omegas. If the number of omegas/incels in society reaches critical mass, we might as well bend over and pucker up, because we're all gonna get royally FUCKED! Not only would we see a sharp rise in incel terrorism, but a dramatic rise in all other crimes, unpreced…
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 01:14 PM
5

Just like I been saying for years, ugly guys need to be even MORE careful about getting falsely accused of "rape".
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 10:36 AM
61

The incels have nothing left to lose. If these guys became large enough in number, there's gonna be more problems than just social/gender issues and incel terrorism. As women's standards become more and more unrealistic, that means more and more guys being left to rot on the singles scrapheap. Today's beta males will likely be tomorrow's omegas. If that happens, it will be the incel problem that finally triggers the collapse of the West. I don't believe there will be a violent "beta uprising", b…
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 09:32 AM
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The anger from incels comes from knowing they're so unattractive that years of dedicated self improvement will only make them "good enough" to be a betabux - settled for, not genuinely desired. The root problem isn't the lack of sex, but knowing they'll never be desired. Game/PUA tactics and lifting/style can only improve a guy so much. If he's in decent shape but still a "2", the best he can ever do is get rich and use game to be an effective beta bux with a gold digger. No real sexual desire o…
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 08:49 AM
1

Since childhood, I've always had more girls as friends than guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 09:53 AM
3

Here's an important variable nobody talks about: Many guys are lead to believe they're better looking than they actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 08:12 AM
1

"Men below the 5 range could still use trp to be effective BBs though. By knowing what to expect from women and how to leverage what they have for the best deal they can get if they want it." Exactly what I've been saying for years. I find this very sad, though. Basically omegas/incels have to put in years of hard work just for the "honor" of being merely settled for in the attraction department - and most likely by someone who isn't particularly attractive herself. No mutual attraction. No mutu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 09:36 AM
1

Here's my take on the whole "game" thing: It provides a boost to existing attraction, but absolutely will not help a guy whose severely lacking in the looks department.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 12:27 PM
1

I spent FIFTEEN years in the PUA community as opposed to your 3 years. Joined a lair, went out "sarging" multiple times a week, studied everything I could get my hands on, etc, etc. My results after all that time and effort were laughable compared to when I dramatically improved my looks/style. Just to see what would happen, I acted completely beta for a few weeks and did everything I could think of that the community says NOT to do, yet STILL got more lays in those 2 weeks than 15 YEARS as an u…
/r/TheRedPill25/10/17 07:56 AM
2

The younger generation is coming of age in a much more competitive dating environment than Generation X'ers and older, hence the more fatalistic attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 04:17 PM
2

Lose weight. Gain muscle. Dress better. Just be yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 05:31 AM
1

Yes, absolutely. If she's not sufficiently sexually attracted to the guy, but dates him anyway, she's not doing herself or him any favors in the long term. Also, as a general rule of thumb, the less physically attracted she is to him, the more effort and investment she expects from him to compensate for it. Definitely not worth it, no matter how hot she might be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 09:08 PM
1

I look at it this way: If you're relying on wealth or status to get sex, or in any way trying to "negotiate" attraction, you're treating sex like a commodity, which "attracts" the mercanary and "pragmatic" types who are willing to have sex with men they have no genuine sexual interest in. Let's be real, here. Many women value commitment more than love, and that's a major factor behind so many unhealthy/unhappy relationships - sexless marriages, high divorce rates, game playing, demanding female …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 06:55 PM
1

Amen to that. It all boils down to probabilities and doing whatever's necessary to increase your odds.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 08:42 AM
1

Lust and respect, otherwise walk. Exactly my motto these days, and it has worked out really well. If there isn't enough physical attraction on her part, she's not relationship or marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 09:54 PM
3

If empathy, concern and support are all he has to offer, yeah, it definitely isn't going to work longterm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 09:45 PM
1

As I just said to someone else, the average guy nowadays isn't as fit/toned as he could be, nor is his diet what it could be, and often times nor is his fashion sense. We have an obesity problem, and something like 60% of the population is overweight. What passes for "average" nowadays is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 02:16 AM
1

So many guys nowadays don't get enough exercise and their diets leave room for improvement. The average man isn't as attractive as he could be.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 10:28 PM
6

That's opportunism, not attraction. Big difference, there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 09:31 PM
8

Before worrying about game and tactics, the most important first step is doing all you can to become physically attractive. MOST men, and at least half of the incels, could bring themselves up to a "7" with enough time, effort and guidence. Looks are Gate #1. You gotta pass that hurdle first before your game even matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 05:04 PM
1

The entire spectrum, really. Wide range of ages, physical types, personality types, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 06:06 PM
1

Most incels have completely given up - no desire or will to improve/change their lives, constant shit posting/lack of serious discussion, etc. On the other hand, many reds overrate game's effectiveness and understate the role looks play in attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 11:09 PM
1

Some of those guys are legit hilarious at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 02:09 PM
1

Yeah, he makes me want to puke lol. I don't believe he actually has success with those techniques, though. Most of the PUA gurus are simply internet marketers playing a persona to sell their questionable products. Basically one step away from a scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 12:55 AM
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BINGO! You're absolutely spot on! I've seen this directly, first-hand so many times. After I fixed my looks, I saw a side of women that is completely different than anything I had ever experienced before. You want to talk about honesty and real talk? Oh yeah, definitely. Blatant admittance of things that would be spewed verbatim on an incel board shitpost. Attractive and unattractive men are indeed being sold separate narratives. The PUA/Redpill community understands this at a surface level, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 12:14 AM
2

That sounds very comforting, but settling definitely happens, and men do need to be on the lookout for this kind of behavior. I've had several FWB type relationships with married women and got to know them as human beings instead of just booty calls. Every single one confided in me that they weren't sexually attracted to their husbands when they married them, but truly believed they were doing the right thing by marrying those guys. Pretty much matches the OP's point. That really bothered me, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 11:29 PM
2

He said PUAs made that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 08:51 PM
1

Download some old PUA books off the torrent sites and just read them. Read Neil Straus's "The Game", anything by Ross Jeffries, Mystery and any of the other old school PUA guys. Maybe the community has changed nowadays, but back then the message was quite clear and explicit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 08:32 PM
2

I was quite a mess - Fat, acne-ridden, greasy hair, dated clothes, poor posture, out of shape, jacked up teeth....and naive enough to think looks didn't matter, thanks to what the PUA community taught at the time. Maybe the community has changed nowadays, but back then, the "looks don't matter" message was quite explicit. The guys on the bottom 30% of physical attractiveness aren't most people. They live in a completely different world from everyone else. To give just one example of how far remo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:54 PM
2

While there definitely ARE people who use that archaic notion to exploit naive men who believe attraction can be negotiated, nowadays more and more women are finally holding out for men they're sexually attracted to. This ain't the 1950's anymore. Women can support themselves and don't have to marry in order to survive. There are still men who believe in that BS, though, and a lot of the blame falls on the PUA community. Especially the older stuff. They EXPLICITLY stated "looks don't matter" in …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:16 PM
2

Check this out: I intentionally trying doing everything the PUA/Redpill community says is wrong, literally doing the worst game I possibly could, just to see what I could get away with. End result? I STILL did far better in ONE WEEK than 15 YEARS as an ugly guy with solid game! Yeah, "game" is definitely overrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 10:11 PM
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Barely any success at all, as in, had to work very hard for a first date with a morbidly obese woman. I always made friends easily, both male and female, so it wasn't like there were any personality or "game" issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 09:06 PM
2

Really, just the standard advice - heavy lifting, losing fat, change of style, better hairstyle, fixing my teeth and clearing up the acne problem. I tried 1 cycle of steroids, and while it definitely helped speed up the process, it really wasn't necessary. Half of guys who have trouble finding a woman are "lucky" enough that all they have to do is pull their heads out of their asses and fix their looks instead of their "game" or "personality". The other half? Diet and exercise alone won't help t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 06:01 PM
6

I was a PUA for 15+ years and fully bought into all that "looks don't matter" nonsense. So much work for so little improvement. Eventually I was forced to question what I believed, and that's when I stopped "sarging" and spent the time/effort on fixing my looks instead. After spending 3 years in "monk mode", I put myself back out there again, and it was like night vs day. The difference was beyond dramatic. I'm completely, 100% convinced we are doing more harm than good by telling men their look…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 05:39 PM
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Excellent post, OP. You're absolutely right in saying not every man can sufficiently improve his appearance through diet and exercise alone. If you want to dramatically improve your dating success, the most important thing to work on is looks. "Game" alone is tragically overrated because it won't help the guys who supposedly "need" it the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 05:28 PM
1

If a woman dumps you for something that trivial, she wasn't genuinely attracted to you in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 06:36 PM
3

If a guy falls on the bottom 25% of physical attractiveness, he's pretty much screwed without either extensive surgery or gaining enough wealth to "attract" a gold digger. That's just the harsh reality. What's often touted as "game" nowadays won't help the guys who "need" it the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/17 05:13 PM
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Amen, OP. Preach it, brother. That's one thing I'll say in favor of the Reds. They at least acknowledge that there's a problem. Like you said, nobody's perfect, though. To give one example, "AWALT" is an insidious half-truth. They're only "like that" when they're either settling for or straight up using a guy. Unfortunately, this is the only kind of relationship an unattractive guy can get, and what passes for "game" is almost entirely built around this settling dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 06:39 PM
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"...attractiveness, which is much less related to our character as human beings than many of us would like." Therein lies the problem. Unattractive men are often told "women are less visual than men", which implies that female sexual attraction can be negotiated. This usually results in entitled thinking. We can't pretend "looks don't matter" and expect to be sheltered from the consequences. I'm convinced the solution is just plain honesty about how attraction really works. Anything other than t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 01:12 PM
3

Narcissists/Dark Triad folks are generally better than average at how they present themselves - style, dress, hair, skin care, fitness, etc. These things play a part in physical attraction. Dominance and confidence can give a "+1 bonus" to an already decent looking guy, but it won't override a below average physical appearance unless he has enough social status or wealth to "attract" someone with ulterior motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 06:55 PM
2

Exactly. That's why I weed out the settlers by implying my interest in her is purely sexual. If her only attraction to me is "relationship" attraction, I don't want a relationship with her. Lack of sexual attraction on her part means high divorce risk, cheating, game playing, high maintenance behavior and all sorts of other problems that make for a very unhealthy/unhappy relationship. Too many women fuck/date/marry guys they have little sexual interest in, and our culture is largely to blame. De…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 04:49 PM
4

There's a definite correlation between sexual success and dysfunctional personalities, but I don't believe in the popular notion that a dysfunctional personality causes sexual success. It's more like many women are willing to tolerate such flaws simply because the man is attractive in other ways, so he has no incentive to improve himself in that area.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/17 04:29 PM
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"The only advantages I have are that I'm quite physically attractive..." That, right there, is why you're successful. Unattractive men don't have the luxury of being able to GENUINELY attract women, which is why they resort to using tricks or trying to bribe them with wealth/social status. I'm with you about being authentic, though. Attraction isn't rocket science. If she likes you, there's little you can "do" wrong. If she doesn't, there's little you can "do" right.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 05:02 PM
2

While definitely not the ideal situation, I think seeing hookers is a smarter choice than marrying someone who isn't genuinely sexually attracted to you. Many men are effectively raised to "buy" a woman's "love" through their wealth, accomplishments and social status, and many women are raised to ignore their level of physical attraction to the man when seeking commitment. This leads to very unhealthy/unhappy relationships and resentment on both sides. As a guy, if you're physically unattractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 03:14 PM
1

Sounds like we're on the same page, then. Too many people settle in the attraction department, and that's why they end up in unhealthy/unhappy relationships. Many guys expect someone out of their league to "give them a chance", not understanding what they're getting themselves into if she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 05:19 PM
2

"Shallow" shaming needs to stop. Who a woman finds sexually attractive ain't got shit to do with her morality or character. Be "shallow" and be proud, girls. If the manosphere doesn't like it, tough shit. Finding your mate sexy is no longer a luxury afforded only to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 07:41 AM
8

There's plenty of good men out there. Problem is many of them are unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 07:31 AM
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Actually, it's worse than that. Many of them rather date hot abusive psychos than plain looking good guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/17 07:52 AM
3

Exactly. Attraction cannot be "created". Only AMPLIFIED :). The manosphere needs to start acknowledging the harm they're doing to themselves (and women) by promoting the idea that an ugly guy can "create attraction" out of thin air by displaying wealth/status or using esoteric PUA wizardry. WRONG! Female sexual attraction cannot be negotiated or manipulated! Also, it's time we realized how these false beliefs about female sexual attraction are DIRECTLY responsible for male sexual entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 02:22 PM
1

I'm gonna be 110% real here. Its the blue pillers. If it wasn't for physically unattractive men, there would be no manosphere or "pickup artist" community. Here's another dose of harsh truth: If a man has shitty looks, the best he's ever gonna get is someone who settles for him or dates him with an ulterior motive. The entire PUA/redpill philosophy is built around this settling dynamic, where the woman is with a man she's not genuinely sexually attracted to, so the man has to resort to playing m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 12:26 PM
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Women want ATTRACTIVE men....who also care about them, respect them, appreciate their ideas, listen to them, comforts them, etc, etc, etc. All those qualities listed mean fuck all if the guy isn't attractive. So many guys with NONE of those positive attributes still do reasonably well, simply because they are ATTRACTIVE. "NiceGuy/Beta Male" qualities are APPRECIATED if coming from an ATTRACTIVE man, and "asshole" behavior is far too often TOLERATED if coming from an attractive man. If a man is U…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/17 10:54 PM
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How is leaving an unhealthy/unhappy relationship "abuse"? That doesn't make any sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/17 07:35 PM
2

If a girl is legitimately attracted to you, and truly LIKES you, she will treat you well and respect you all on her own without any need to force the issue. If you feel you have to resort to game playing and controlling behavior, chances are very high she's only settling for you. Most women aren't "like that" to a man they're genuinely attracted to. If she's disrespectful and constantly plays games, it's time to move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/17 09:25 AM
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That's one of the reasons I left the Redpill. I didn't like the person I had become.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 07:21 AM
1

Some questions are best answered by observing people's behavior rather than relying on their words.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 06:26 AM
1

If we're all being honest with ourselves, and when we strip gender conflict of every pretense of intellectualism or morality, this disparity in attraction is the fundamental root of conflict between the genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 06:21 AM
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"I've often read stories about how a tiny nice gesture from a woman can make a man's day, week or month even..." Reminds me of the day a girl gave me a hug for the first time when I was 13. That hit me strongly enough, emotionally, that I still remember it 20 years later.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 12:04 PM
1

I never said they were normal lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 11:53 AM
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Enough guys ARE just that delusional, otherwise there wouldn't be a PUA/"seduction" community and so many online forums dedicated to learning supposed "techniques" that get ugly dudes laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 11:42 AM
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"Nice guys vs jerks" is a red herring that misses the intended point. The real issue is that unattractive men are being collectively misled about how attraction really works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 10:43 AM
1

If a guy doesn't have the looks to trigger sexual attraction, his relationships/marriages will be strictly transactional in nature. This is the core reason behind AF/BB.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 07:29 AM
2

Apparently your experience is pretty typical. I have several friends who tried it, and all but 2 got exactly ZERO matches after over a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 11:39 AM
3

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 11:35 AM
1

I've learned from experience that if you feel the need to "dread" her, it's time to ditch her and move on to someone else. It's a clear sign there isn't enough attraction on her part for the relationship to be a happy/healthy one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 08:20 AM
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It's largely bullshit. Women are usually only "like that" when they're settling with a guy they're not truly attracted to, or you're aiming way out of your league. As the majority of the manosphere are unattractive men, it's no coincidence that "all women are like that" TO THEM. What they experience is real, but their interpretations of those experiences are flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 08:24 AM
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I agree 100%. No issues, whatsoever, with what you said. Too many women are socialized by society into chasing commitment, and end up settling on a man they don't really love, which ultimately causes pain and heartbreak for both parties involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 09:48 AM
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Valid point. It's hard to be taken seriously by outsiders if we're being hypocritical. This is especially true if we're trying to push for civil dialogue between both sides, and I think that is the only real way forward if we're going to have any hope of improving gender relations in the future. If both sides continue in this "us vs them" way of thinking, things are only going to get far worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 09:41 AM
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Really glad to see other guys realizing this. What sucks is there are some good, honest women out there who end up getting dumped in the process, but we can't take any chances. Too many women out there sacrifice on attraction when seeking something long-term, and that's the dirty secret behind many ills: cheating, high divorce rates, demanding/controlling behavior, sexless relationships, game playing, mutual resentment, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 08:30 PM
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If she isn't interested in just sex w/o commitment, she cannot be trusted for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 08:17 PM
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Only problem is, the women aren't genuinely sexually attracted to those fugly guys, but merely offering the use of their bodies in exchange for what he can provide for them via status, wealth or drugs. Too many guys confuse opportunistic and provider-seeking behavior with attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 08:46 PM
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I think more men are starting to realize that women are just as visual as we are, and no longer buying into the outdated notion that a man's looks "aren't that important".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 07:54 PM
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I wouldn't bother, either. Trying to "dread" her into staying or being faithful just doesn't sit well with me. Better to let her go as there's plenty of other women out there who ARE genuinely interested. Less hassle. Less stress. Better chance of it actually working over the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 06:33 PM
1

I like the way you think. It's definitely a huge difference. Sadly, too many people out there don't see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 06:29 PM
1

Really, this stuff happens a LOT more than we as a society like to admit. We continue to be raised with outdated advice that isn't truly compatible with today's environment, and we pay the price for it with unstable, unhappy relationships. Personally, if I even think she might be settling, I cut and run immediately. Same thing the other way around. If I'm not feeling it with her, then it's time to move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 06:22 PM
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Amen, brother. I've seen both sides, too, and vowed to never, ever hurt a girl like that again. She was an awesome woman and didn't deserve that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 06:16 PM
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I'm saying if you find yourself "trying to like" a guy, or forcing yourself to date somebody you're not feeling it with in hopes that feelings might develop later, I really don't think that does either you or him any favors in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/17 08:48 AM
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"Looks aren't that important for men." That, right there, is the biggest illusion of them all. Sure, ugly guys find relationships all the time, but dig beneath the surface, and it's not exactly a bed of roses. Many women value the benefits of commitment and security more than love. This often leads to them settling for a man they're not genuinely sexually attracted to IF they want something long-term. That's the ONE dirty secret that neatly ties together MANY problems in the dating game -- high …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 11:55 PM
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ANY man who thinks female sexual attraction can be negotiated or manipulated is low status, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 03:23 AM
1

Jawvil? LOL! I guess we disagree here, but to your credit, I like your humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:24 PM
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Don't get me wrong, there are definitely a minority of guys who cannot adequately fix their looks through diet and exercise alone. That's why I'm a strong believer in plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:13 PM
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lol Nope, I'm a man. I've been involved in the manosphere on and off since 2003, and was a PUA for over 15 years. Nowadays, I'm thoroughly, completely convinced that many core beliefs in the manosphere are flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:06 PM
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You'd be surprised how LITTLE she demands when genuine attraction is there. If she's settling in the attraction department, she demands the world in compensation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:28 PM
1

Looks DO matter, and silencing discussion on the matter seems very suspicious. On the other hand, WAY too many guys who acknowledge the truth about looks seem like they've completely given up and refuse to put in the WORK it takes to look good. All they do is complain. Most very attractive people aren't just born that way. You get to know them well enough as friends, and it becomes blatantly obvious that those people put in a LOT of effort to get where they're at. I find it hard to believe most …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 07:51 PM
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Many women are willing to TOLERATE an asshole if he come in an appealing package. If a girl is truly, genuinely attracted to you, it's crazy how much you can get away with. Some guys are just plain dickheads who take advantage of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 07:39 PM
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Not every man wants a harem. I've tried "juggling" and really prefer just one person to focus everything on - attention, sex, etc. Less stress, deeper connections, better sex. There are definite advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 06:36 PM
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It's definitely hypocritical for a guy to sleep around and then turn around and flip a shit because a girl has the same past. Both sides of the gender divide have their share of double standards. IMHO, the real problem isn't so much a woman's past, but the fact that so many of them are SETTLING in the sexual attraction department once they start seeking commitment. THAT's the very core of the AF/BB phenomenon. Lack of genuine attraction is the dirty secret behind so many relationship problems - …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 06:57 PM
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Both sides of the gender divide are trying to advance AT THE EXPENSE of the other. Antagonistic? Absolutely! And I can guarantee you that it won't end well if this keeps up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 09:21 PM
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I will NOT enter into a relationship where there won't be regular sex, but absolutely hate the concept of "obligatory sex", where it's her "duty" to "please her man". That's why her level of genuine, physical attraction is so important.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 09:13 PM
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Yeah really. And not just to fuck, either. I happen to know a woman who's morbidly obese, facially disfigured from being burned in a fire, and in a wheelchair, yet she has an able-bodied, non-disfigured boyfriend. Another girl has downs syndrome and is quite obese, yet has had several relationships and is now married. All the MEN I know with similar issues have remained single for 20 years or more despite their best efforts. Every. Single. One.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 09:00 PM
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I like your answer, Ivegotsomequestions0. Good explaination.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 08:54 PM
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It's definitely a miserable position to be in. The fact that so many such men find desperation in a woman appealing shows just how far removed their experience with woman is from the general population. People find it very difficult to understand men of low sexual value because each side's life experience is so alien to the other. These men are left choosing between a lifetime of loneliness or whatever option they can get as a temporary reprieve. "She's desperate? Hooray! I finally have a chance…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 08:48 PM
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As a guy, you can't be fat, unkempt, and have nothing to offer, and expect to get laid. Too many guys think that way, so it's no wonder women call them entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:17 PM
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LOL! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:45 PM
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Some people think that way, but I know from experience that most don't. Sure, plain looking guys get relationships all the time, but in most cases the woman is settling for "practical" reasons. Go from a plain looking guy to one that turns heads regularly, and you'll see just how much looks DO matter! It's not just in dating, but so many other areas in life as well. The quality of relationships that a plain looking guy with status/game/money gets doesn't even compare to a very attractive guy wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:30 AM
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A guy trying to support himself on a minimum wage job cannot afford to buy that sexual freedom you mentioned. Also, not every guy is interested in paying for play.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:14 AM
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The manosphere has become too dogmatic and closed minded nowadays, and I don't like the mentality that women are "the enemy". Also, I feel the only way to solve gender related problems is for both sides to have discussions. The "us versus them" mentality on both sides will only serve to perpetuate a vicious cycle and make things far worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:10 AM
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It's more true than people are comfortable admitting. It's one of those "glitches in the matrix" that challenge the narrative less-attractive men are being sold about attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:02 AM
1

I think it's very misleading. There a lot of women who value being "in love" more than having those feelings reciprocated, so they'll TOLERATE a lot of negativity if it comes in an appealing outer package. It's the female equivalent of the guy who dates an obvious gold digger.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 09:34 PM
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Of course. That's what I did and it worked out great. Gotta do both. Do everything to increase your own physical attractiveness, AND watch out for settlers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 10:22 PM
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In an overall sense, yes, women RAISE their standards when seeking something long term - money, personality, common interests, etc. HOWEVER, unless they are very attractive themselves, they often DO settle in the sexual attraction department. That's the dirty little secret behind most problems in the dating world - high divorce risk, sexless marriages, cheating, demanding/neurotic behavior, flakiness, game playing, etc. If we think many women out there don't value commitment and security more th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 09:59 PM
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Once enough men start opting out of society in response, there will be economic consequences, and at that point the downward spiral will get far more severe. If we want to ensure a livable future for our children and grandchildren, we absolutely MUST figure out a civilized, humane way to balance the sexual marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 12:49 PM
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Same thing happened to me. Before I improved my looks, I was often treated like a creep, but nowadays the same quirks and behaviors are seen as a good thing. It's an obvious double standard. I'm thoroughly convinced that many women know EXACTLY what's going on, and are deliberately trying to deny it exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 12:36 PM
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Oh yeah, that's pretty obvious at this point. Question is, why? Who's behind it? What started it? At this point, I suspect it's all a holdover from the days when women had to marry in order to survive. Unfortunately, for-profit "dating advice" and those women who value commitment/security more than love seek to benefit from male ignorance. Also, Big Business benefits when men think female sexual attraction can be negotiated or manipulated - fancy houses, boats, jewels, fast cars, etc. The corpor…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 07:44 PM
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OP, I agree with you. I went from a "3" to a "9" after about 3 years of dedicated effort, and couldn't believe how many women started acting eerily similar to MEN! The idea that women are not visual is a load of crap, and I believe that myth does a lot of damage to both genders. People like to throw around "studies" that push this narrative, but my own real-world experience completely contradicts it. Something's not right. I'd sure like to know what the hell is going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 04:17 PM
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I would NOT recommend online dating for the average man. Unless you're very good looking or over 6ft tall, it ain't for you. It's pretty common for guys to send out literally HUNDREDS of emails over the course of several months and not even get 1 date. It's depressing and can destroy your confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 01:49 PM
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NO! Good lord, no. She's only doing it to get money for her next fix. There's no validation in that. Real, genuine confidence comes from actually being wanted and desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 01:42 PM
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You're not alone, OP. On more than one occasion, I've chosen a rather "plain looking" woman over someone who was "perfect" on the outside. While my friends often ribbed me about that, my relationships were WAY more stable and happy than theirs. When it comes to serious relationships, HER level of attraction to YOU matters! If dating that "beauty" means being merely settled for, I'm not interested. Too many problems down the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 01:25 PM
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I really could care less, personally. Nowadays I no longer rely on playing games or paying too much attention to every little thing a woman says or does. Getting a girlfriend is just like losing weight - very simple, but people want to make it out to be something esoteric and overly complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 06:07 PM
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Yes. Very much so!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 06:00 PM
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You're absolutely right. I don't think the manosphere realizes how much the "alpha vs beta/omega" paradigm is connected to the difference in how attractive and unattractive men are socialized. You grow up as a good looking fellow, and you're not autistic or socially impaired, you grow up being treated VERY differently, which has a huge effect on how you relate to people. Ugly guys are EXPECTED to be submissive, and if he dares show a backbone, he is severely PUNISHED for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 05:57 PM
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OP, I agree with you 100%. The "Nice Guy vs Jerk" meme is a red herring that completely misses what's really happening. Many people will tolerate a terrible personality in favor of other things the partner offers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 05:45 PM
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There really is nothing wrong with being genuinely nice, as in, you're not trying to BUY the other person's companionship or manipulate them. The problem is, kindness/having a good heart ALONE does NOT trigger attraction, and men are given the implied message otherwise. I think it's a holdover from the days when women had to marry in order to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 12:53 PM
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Both are bad, but I feel emotionally distant is worse. It usually means lack of interest - she's merely settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 12:48 PM
1

I think it's becoming less and less common these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 12:46 PM
1

Take up bodybuilding (no roids), learn how to dress to impress, find a good hairstyle that fits you. When it comes to sex without commitment, looks are extremely, extremely important.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 12:44 PM
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AMEN, Darla. I cannot express enough how true that is. They ignore their desire, or in this case, their LACK of desire, and force themselves into what becomes a very unhealthy relationship for BOTH parties involved. We like to blame "biology" when in fact culture plays a huge role here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 11:01 PM
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Sounds like we're on the same page. The superficial, narcissistic and businesslike mentality that's being promoted is why I left the PUA/redpill community. There really is a lot to be said about getting to know women on a deeper level than just trying to bed them or "get a girlfriend". Also, the manosphere has become VERY dogmatic over the last 10 years or so. Even the INCEL community of all places is more willing to listen to dissenting opinions and at least hear you out. I'm not exaggerating. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 05:07 PM
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You're not alone on this. Women are definitely a lot more honest when they feel they can open up to you without being judged or shamed for it. Outside of that, you'll get the usual platitudes and bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 04:16 PM
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Seeing what a huge difference lifting/eating right made on my dating life. Women are definitely far more visual than they want us to believe. What sealed the deal for me was all the MARRIED women who were down to fuck, and the reasons they gave for cheating. It's almost always the same story. They were never sexually attracted to the guy, but thought they were doing the "right" thing by marrying him. AF/BB is very real.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 02:36 PM
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Things are definitely different now than they were back in the late 90's. More and more men are feeling the same pressure to conform to a certain image that women have been for centuries. It's going to be interesting to watch how this plays out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 01:22 PM
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No. I believe real world experience over any supposed study that claims to contradict it. If a woman is truly sexually attracted to a man, not simply settling on him for more materialistic reasons, she's just as horny as any guy. I've experienced this personally WAY too many times for it to be mere coincidence. I don't believe for a single second that women are actually "less sexual" than men. I DO believe, however, that women are socialized by society to pretend otherwise. They even go as far a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 01:08 PM
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Absolutely YES, the world would be a better place without incels. I guarantee you that's only going to become more true and obvious to the general public over the next few decades. Now that women no longer need to rely on men for survival and security, they can afford to be more choosy about thinks like looks, swag, etc. We're going to be seeing a lot more of these incels, and they're NOT going to go away. They will prove themselves to be extremely dangerous, and society's myopic, knee-jerk resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 08:44 AM
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Women no longer need to depend on men for survival or quality of life. They can support themselves just fine. This means they can afford to be far more selective about sexual attraction. As a result, unattractive men can no longer "buy" a woman's companionship or "love" like they could in previous times. Western civilization is transitioning from a "prostitution" style SMP to one based on genuine sexual attraction, and the uglies don't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 08:10 AM
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After dramatically improving my looks/fashion sense, I can walk into any club nowadays, act like a beta dork, and still bring home a hottie despite intentionally fucking things up. Yes, I actually did that experiment multiple times, but did NOT expect those results. If game is so powerful, why am I getting these results? According to redpill philosophy, that shouldn't be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/17 08:35 AM
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The PUA community teaches men to do exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/17 02:16 AM
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I quit the whole "game" thing a long time ago, and my dating success skyrocketed as a result. Trying to game someone who isn't immediately physically attracted to you leads to a very artificial and unstable relationship. Too much work, and too much stress, for too little reward. The type of women PUA stuff "works" on are those who are willing to fuck someone they're not attracted to in exchange for some perceived benefit - NOT the kind of woman I'd want a long term relationship with. The redpill…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 12:22 PM
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It'd estimate probably 30%. Maybe 50% at best, IF they set their standards really, really low, and took a viagra beforehand lol. Back in my InCel days, I tried to settle for what I could get, and my body simply wouldn't cooperate or respond. Not every guy is physically equipped to just bang anyone with a pulse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 07:19 PM
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I take it as a compliment, even if it's meant as an insult. There are far worse things you can call a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 06:59 PM
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I agree 100% with the OP. Here's the real issue, though: BOTH sides are deeply hurt. BOTH sides deal with feelings of worthlessness, depression, anger, frustration, etc. One side hates feeling like their only value as a human being is a hole to masturbate into. The other hates feeling like their only value as a human being is what favors or material things they offer. BOTH sides are being spitefully used, and NEITHER side has a monopoly on morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 12:49 AM
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I agree, wholeheartedly. If she isn't immediately attracted to you in a purely visual and sexual way, run for the hills and don't look back. Unless a woman is a hottie herself, society emotionally bullies her into settling if she want the benefits of a long-term commitment, and this brings way too much emotional baggage into the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 09:25 PM
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Short answer: Yes. If men collectively woke up to how woman's attraction actually works, the changes in society would be profound and for the better for BOTH sides of the gender divide. Over the long term, societal honesty about attraction is absolutely critical to reducing both misogyny AND misandry. If we continue in this cultural dishonesty about attraction, the misogynists WILL eventually become a political force, and western civilization has no future.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 09:05 PM
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I'm VERY uncomfortable with that kind of relationship! If she doesn't find me "hot" enough for just fun with no commitment, I don't trust her for a relationship or marriage. PERIOD! Too many people get desperate and start handing out "chances" to folks they otherwise wouldn't go for, then try to pass off this desperation as "maturity" or "real love". The result? High divorce rates, unstable/unhappy relationships, sexless marriages, game playing, cheating, demanding behavior, mutual resentment, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 12:24 AM
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Men are thirstier because so many of them are desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 10:35 PM
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