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Yes, because duress does not equal consent. I pay taxes. Not because I want to, but because it's preferable to being locked up or shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:17 PM
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With that logic, breadwinning fathers should also get custody over their kids and complimentary child support checks to make up for all the time he was working and paying the bills.
/r/MensRights15/07/26 10:31 PM
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Feminists are unable to distinguish individuals from the collective. They also tend to caricature/strawman men based on a few bad actors.
/r/MensRights10/07/26 07:09 PM
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If the goal is to be together, just be together. There's no need to sign a contract with the government over it.
/r/MensRights08/07/26 11:13 PM
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Female sex workers out earn their male peers significantly. How come no feminists have advocated for a 50/50 split of all earnings in that field? It's not about equality, it's about supremacy.
/r/MensRights08/07/26 11:11 PM
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It's quite a can of worms because normies believe in the premise of the victim hierarchy, where (straight Caucasian) men are at the bottom. Formal compaints are likely to be swept under the rug or simply brushed off. Advocating for lower castes will be interpreted as undermining the higher castes and may result in retaliation. Many don't see the point in fighting that battle.
/r/MensRights01/07/26 10:06 AM
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This is why I only pay 50% of all bills. If I'm not going to own it, then I won't pay for it.
/r/MensRights30/06/26 05:47 AM
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So that would mean that a man doing his half of the housework and paying his half of the bills means there is no reason to reject him on that basis? Or is he supposed to do more than his half in order to "earn" his intimacy? I doubt there will be geniune desire on her side when things are that transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:14 AM
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And then they act surprised when the man stops doing his duties and starts treating her like a roommate. Notice how quickly you'll be accused of being a terrible boyfriend if you offer to do "only your half" in the household or in finances. Then the argument always turns into "you're supposed to be a team". How come that rule never applies when it comes to the very foundation of a romantic relationship? I'm not saying consent should be violated, but be prepared to be treated like a roommate if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:59 AM
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No idea where you got that quote from.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:35 AM
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Here's a hypothetical. Let's say you have a rule about waiting some weeks or months before sleeping with someone. Now there's a guy you're really into and who makes you feel all fuzzy. Since he's really attractive, it means he's probably dating other women simultaneously, which means you have to compete. You could get an edge on your competition by breaking your rule and sleep with him sooner, or live by your rule and risk losing his interest. The guy with options wants to be wanted, so he'll go…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:33 AM
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I don't believe in forced redistribution. Undermining agency will ultimately cause resentment. The best step forward for men is to find out what triggers genuine desire by paying attention to actions, not words. They could compare notes with their peers, adapt and improve themselves accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:21 PM
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You're missing the point. Men would rather be the one she breaks rules for than someone she makes rules for. There is meaning in being treated exceptionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:13 PM
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Most men have a grasp of what it looks like when a woman genuine desire for a guy. You know, willingness to break rules for him instead of making them, adopting a "ride or die" mentality. Often, when men ask for dating advice, responses more or less come down to being a considerate partner, but rarely touch upon what creates that initial burning desire or raw arousal. I get that from a female perspective, it's difficult to pinpoint, as such a state of mind is far from rationally driven. But the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:21 PM
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Men want to be wanted
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:49 PM
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But will they have geniune desire for such a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:25 AM
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Honestly, just by not doing the opposite. Don't rock the boat, be pleasant, be caring etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:08 AM
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I don't see how that relates to OPs question. If you're genuinely acting in good faith, I'll be happy to answer that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:24 AM
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Not sure if the question is in good faith, but I'll bite. If we settle down, we settle with the ones that provide stability and generally make our lives easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:14 AM
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50/50 nominally across the board. Equality also means equal contributions, regardless of income. Just because I earn more does not mean she gets to contribute less. I would only be willing to pay more bills if she's willing to do more chores or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:31 PM
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It's not an excuse to neglect a guy, especially when marriages means sexual exclusivity. If you want a roommate, don't expect more than that in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:10 PM
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2 years lower retirement age to make up for the difference in life expectancy.
/r/MensRights01/06/26 05:16 PM
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What if they did? You know, since we're being progressive here. Can't risk being labeled as transphobic.
/r/MensRights01/06/26 05:15 PM
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I expect people to get sick way more often. Since the money doesn't appear out of thin air, I'm not in favor of setting up an easily abusable welfare system.
/r/MensRights01/06/26 11:24 AM
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Not unless men get something in return, which is what the comment is about.
/r/MensRights01/06/26 11:20 AM
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This was already a thing before AI became widespread
/r/MensRights22/05/26 03:24 PM
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Bezmenov applied the term useful idiot to those who believed to be helped by giving up their power.
/r/MensRights27/04/26 06:44 PM
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How is this Q4W? Anyway, the term has lost most meaning because when a woman says she was sexually harassed. We don't know whether it means she was groped, or an unattractive man just looked at her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 08:23 AM
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Seems like you misunderstood my point. I'm just saying that I'll stop doing my 'duties' if I don't feel like doing them. It's been made quite clear that we're not entitled to anything in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:30 AM
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I'm going to use this argumentation whenever I don't feel like doing my part in housework or paying bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:11 AM
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Hard to tell when biological men are sent to women's prisons by politically motivated judges.
/r/MensRights31/03/26 11:08 PM
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I can't help but think about it as some arbitrary equalizer due to the subjective nature. If we're allowed to factor in subjective contributions, I sure as hell will too until it feels fair to me as well. I'm not denying the phenomenon of emotional labor entirely, but if we're going to keep score without turning it into a giant pissing contest, let's make sure it's done in the most objective way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:41 PM
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As long as guys keep finding out that blue pill advice doesn't work, they'll have the need to compare notes with guys in search of the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 05:08 PM
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r/menkampf has some nice examples of pointing out anti-male bigotry by switching up "man" for "Jew". You could make a similar type of equivalency.
/r/MensRights13/02/26 11:28 PM
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So, how else is she supposed to convince a guy she desires him when having to wait conveys the opposite message? If a guy has to wait and he has limited information aside from contemporary cultural/societal norms, there's a case to be made that she isn't that into him. Why? Because nowadays it's more normalized to put out. It doesn't even matter whether she actually does or doesn't. The bar has been set at that height, and it's up to get to that standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 12:10 AM
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Emotional labor is too arbitrary. I can't help but think that it's selectively used as an excuse to oversell your own contributions or to hide poor skills or time management.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 05:01 PM
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Weapons are great equalizers when the opposite sex is likely to have the upper hand in physical combat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:37 AM
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Which means both should be able to pull equal weight in doing chores and paying bills.
/r/MensRights20/01/26 05:13 PM
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You don't get to complain about the other person not doing their half of the chores if you're not paying half of the bills. 50/50 and equality cuts both ways.
/r/MensRights20/01/26 08:37 AM
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Who says that those two are mutually exclusive? What if I want to bond and have a relationship with someone who also desires me? I've learned that constantly hooking up casually eventually drains me emotionally, as is being in a relationship with someone who doesn't genuinely desire me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 11:31 PM
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Eliminating sanitary hazards goes without saying. I'm just pointing out the redundancy in going for spotless when sanitized would just do. Since time and resources are limited, there is an argument to choose sanitized over spotless.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 08:56 PM
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A good example is the standard of cleanliness. Just because you take twice as much time to achieve perfection while spending half that time would've yielded more than acceptable results doesn't mean the contribution becomes twice as valuable. It also illustrates how time spent on a task is a terrible way to measure contributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 07:59 PM
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Face it, everything about dating is transactional. Even the most primal type of behavior stems from a trade-off that has allowed our species to keep existing and evolving.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 11:17 PM
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It's pure opportunism. There are zero feminists who complain about the number of female oil rig workers, or any other physically demanding blue-collar job for that matter. Neither do I hear any complaints about the lack of female soldiers being deployed to the front lines.
/r/MensRights01/01/26 06:36 PM
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It's ironic how any form of bigotry is frowned upon except when it's against men as a group.
/r/MensRights01/01/26 06:32 PM
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It's immoral to treat all men as potential murderers while pretending that all women are potential victims. It creates a paranoia filled environment. They can't expect innocent men to walk on eggshells. Innocent until proven guilty shouldn't be thrown out just like that.
/r/MensRights31/12/25 11:26 AM
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When an illegal immigrant killed a woman in my country, people had zero problems generalizing an entire sex over it. However, narrowing down the generalization by pointing out the cultural background of the killer was somehow considered socially unacceptable. Bigotry is wrong, and we shouldn't paint with a broad brush, but it's beyond hypocritical to turn a blind eye for painting with the broadest of brushes.
/r/MensRights31/12/25 10:54 AM
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Isn't that the equality that everyone fought tooth and nail for? One thing is certain, contributions wise, you're not entitled to more than someone else's 50% share.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 09:05 AM
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Same here in Europe, where illegal immigrants are raping and murdering their way through our streets. Yet somehow, the generalization stops at the gender. It leads to the belief that all women are framed as potential victims who can be killed just for being a woman, while all men are framed as potential predators who must prove their innocence first.
/r/MensRights27/12/25 11:53 AM
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Technically, it means that the sex of the victim was the motivation of the perpetrator. In reality, it is used to frame all women as potential victims and all men as potential murderers.
/r/MensRights26/12/25 03:50 PM
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There's a difference between knowing what you're doing and handing out intimacy like candy. I'd be doubtful about such a woman genuinely being interested in entering an LTR without any opportunism or ulterior motives like security, not to mention being fit maintain the relationship. I would assume that if such a woman would truly desire me, the arrangement would be more casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:39 PM
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It rubs me the wrong way when women genuinely think that doing boot camp and some supporting role far from the front lines is supposed to be equal representation. They sure as hell wouldn't apply the same standard when it comes to cushy white collar positions.
/r/MensRights09/12/25 08:13 AM
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What happened to equal representation?
/r/MensRights09/12/25 07:40 AM
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The fastest way to turn female warmongers into pacifists is to propose the idea of a 50/50 draft. Nobody opposed war until women's lives were on the line.
/r/MensRights08/12/25 05:41 PM
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I'm in my late 20s now. I learned a lot from dating in my teens and early 20s. Thanks to that experience, I've been able to create a stable foundation for my current LTR. I know I'd be cooked without that experience. Apart from that, as young guys generally struggle to date in the first place, I guess it would be best to just take whatever you can while you're young and gain that experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:50 PM
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Marriage shouldn't have any legal significance. It should be purely cultural/symbolic.
/r/MensRights25/11/25 10:42 PM
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Because I'm sick and tired of the one-way street job interview setting where I'm competing with 50 other guys for the same minimum wage position and constantly reminded how replaceable I am. Im not going to pull teeth. Either there is desire or there isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:36 AM
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DEI is collective punishment based on the assumption that inequality is always caused by discrimination. Historically, men had the upper hand in many (though far from all) socio-economic aspects. Because of this position of power, they are regarded as "oppressors". People who believe in collective punishment refuse to acknowledge the fact that the people they are trying to punish are: Individuals that cannot be treated as a collective based on shallow and inherent traits like sex or race. People…
/r/MensRights29/10/25 11:33 PM
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Plenty of men on welfare are getting laid. If you have to lead with your wallet, the desire won't be genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 10:49 PM
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Middle class folks already know voting blue didn't work for them because they paid a shit ton of taxes without getting anything in return. Lots of giving, barely any taking. They're sick and tired of it. They know that they are on the short end of any future wealth redistribution policies. It's not even that they're convinced of the GOP. They just go for any sliver of a chance to break the cycle. Also, let's not forget that generally, in a two-party system, you pretty much vote for the least unf…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 09:22 AM
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No one is owed anything. We're here because we choose to. We leave when we want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 03:19 PM
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Keep this in mind when "the patriarchy" is used as an argument for how unfair society is towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 10:58 AM
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Then don't be surprised when men decide not to bother doing more than whatever they need to sustain themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:00 PM
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If nobody did, then I would lose interest eventually. That being said, I find it hard to believe that absolutely nobody would be willing to follow instructions or feedback, even in a casual context. I'll be more inclined to stick to partners who have a proven track record.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:25 PM
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what do you offer? Whatever primal response I manage to trigger in her. I don't think it's rational. You don't really negotiate desire and arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 12:47 PM
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Because it doesn't compare. When people say women carry responsibility, they mean that they should provide feedback to their sexual partners instead of expecting the guy to figure it out by himself. It still takes two to tango. Similar to men, validation could also play a role.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 12:25 PM
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and that everything he makes is ours. Because you return the favor by taking care of him and his home. That doesn't change anything about him paying all the bills and therefore being the provider. Not saying that there's anything wrong with this kind of dynamic as long as it remains reciprocal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:26 PM
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100/0 means that one is a provider. 50/50 means that both are providers. Does 75/25 also mean that both are providers? What about 90/10 or 99/1? Does cooking one meal a week mean you can call yourself a homemaker while the other person does the rest? Where do we draw the line?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 09:21 AM
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Both traditional and modern have their pros and cons. I'm fine with either, as long as it gets applied consistently. I'm sick and tired of getting the short end of the stick as a man because women opportunistically apply the concept of gender equality as if it's some kind of buffet. Want me to be a traditional man and provide for you? Be a traditional woman for me. You want equality? Be prepared to contribute your half in all aspects. Just pick a lane.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 10:35 PM
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If you pay less than your half of the bills in a household of two, you're being provided for as you both live there equally. I know plenty of couples where the one who earns more is expected to pay more bills than the other person. That constitutes as being a provider to me, even if the differences in financial contributions are small.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 10:32 PM
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It's less work to compile an anti-censorship list
/r/MensRights10/09/25 10:43 PM
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In primary education, boys are treated as defective girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 09:49 PM
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Yet, this logic is deemed unethical when it comes to other types of redistribution that involve violating one's bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:12 PM
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I wish all of my taxes were spent on roads. Unfortunately, the DOT gets 2.5% of the federal budget. Does that mean I get a massive refund for the remaining 97.5% that doesn't benefit me? Try to keep the strawmen, insults, and ad hominems to a minimum, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:46 AM
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I used my body to earn the income. I never consented to pay them. If I choose not to, I go to jail. Whether the ends justify the means is a different discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 08:38 AM
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Same as what happens to the fruits of people's labor: forced redistribution, thereby violating consent one's bodily autonomy. I'm not in favor of such violations, but I'm surprised one is completely acceptable while the other is considered taboo.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:44 PM
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Because the goal isn't sex itself, but rather the feeling of being sexually desired by another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:08 PM
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"I've had my fun, now I'm ready to settle down and be provided for."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:19 PM
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r/lostredditors
/r/PussyPassDenied24/08/25 03:57 PM
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Some tinder data Though it shouldn't be a surprise that more attractive guys will get more matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 08:14 AM
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So? I'm right about it. I'm just saying that people should use statistical medians if they want to describe and discuss the 50th percentile of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 12:18 PM
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In statistics, average (mean) and median (50th percentile, zero standard deviation) are two different things when discussing a non-linear distribution, which is proven to be the case in dating. I notice that many draw incorrect conclusions because they mistake average for median. Because the average in this case is far above the mean, using average has little statistical significance. Though an average guy would not be struggling, a median guy might.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 12:05 PM
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There are plenty of in-demand jobs with decent salaries that don't require a college degree. Take the trades as an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 01:36 PM
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How else are we supposed to pursue equality? That's where it all started.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 05:28 AM
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FYI, I'm not ancap. I just believe that basic public services could be done with a fraction of the current budget. I would be more than willing to contribute when I can be assured that my hard-earned money won't be wasted. However, the majority (so not all) of federal spending currently doesn't benefit me, which is why I'm unhappy about being forced to use my body to contribute to this asymmetrical dynamic. I could really use the money to build myself a life out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 10:26 PM
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It's a bit dishonest to assume that my income comes from taxpayer money. I get zero benefits. Instead, I get paid by people who voluntarily choose to trade their own money for my time. If people who give more than they take are pampered house cats in your book, then I'd like to know what you think about people who do the opposite. And before you think about accusing me of being a freeloader for driving my car on a public road, 2.5% of the taxpayer-funded federal budget is allocated to the DOT. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:57 PM
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Yeah, and I consented to gave my wallet to an armed robber the other day. Totally no coercion whatsoever. Let's not pretend that opting out of paying income tax is a realistic option here without drawing attention from the authorities. So if the alternative is even less freedom, I guess the former can be considered coercive. Regardless, by law, my employer is obligated to subtract my due taxes before I get paid, so there's no way to do this thing under the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:24 PM
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I never consented to give away a portion of the salary that I earned using my body.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:15 PM
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Both points boil down to a violation of one's bodily autonomy. It's weird how one is taboo while the other is normalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:25 PM
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I wish I got my tax money's worth in government services.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:21 PM
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...Just let the government steal it from other people who already did the work?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 12:52 PM
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Because it's immoral to violate someone's bodily autonomy. The exact same argument can be made when it comes to using your body to work in exchange for money. Other people should not have the right to take away what you produced with your body, yet this is enormously normalized with wealth redistribution. This hypocrisy is one of the points OP is making.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 12:03 PM
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Single in this context still means hooking up. Let's say we have 10 girls and 10 guys in a closed environment. In good faith, which outcome seems more likely? 10 pairs. Everyone's happy with their choice of partner. Most women trying to get with the most attractive guys, while the least attractive guys end up with nobody. For the mathematicians: will we get a linear or Gaussian distribution? Tinder data supports the Gaussian hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 09:00 AM
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There's r/marriedredpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 10:13 AM
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I have never understood how a woman who has no intention of satisfying her man's sexual needs can be opposed to him getting those needs met elsewhere. You can't have sexual exclusivity if there is no sex to begin with. Men's psychological needs are mostly swept under the rug, mostly because women got what they wanted: marriage and kids. If he wants to leave, he'll just be enslaved by the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 11:57 PM
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Notice how I never advocated for violating her bodily autonomy. I also didn't say that one is more important than the other. I just state that there are negative psychological effects for a guy whose psychological needs are neglected. What would your solution for the man be besides sweeping it under the rug?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:33 PM
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Postpartum period is ~6 weeks. Since it's a one-time thing, a man would understand the temporary dip in intimacy. However, if it takes longer than that and there seems to be little to no sign of improvement, he'll start to feel neglected and look for someone who does care about his psychological needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:25 PM
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There's a difference between people who consume pornography and people who are addicted to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:11 PM
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They are deprived of intimacy and feel neglected by their SO. Since forcing women in relationships to be intimate with their men would be a violation of bodily autonomy, men have to look for intimacy outside of the relationship if they want to get some. It makes little sense, but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:50 PM
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50/50 contributions is the most objective way to equally split a task in a partnership. Using that as a baseline, a redistribution of tasks could be negotiated based on preferences or comparative advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 11:05 PM
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I thought y'all wanted equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 06:02 PM
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So if they guy outearns her, which is generally the case, can he keep the difference for himself? Or is he expected to pay more bills?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 10:17 AM
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Men also perform all kinds of mental labor, including what you mentioned. They just don't make a big deal out of it or pretend that it's a full-time job that entitles them to all kinds of stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:51 AM
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Ah yes of course, the big imaginary equalizer. Any deficit in contributions can instantly be canceled out by labeling anything you do as "emotional labor." They do realize that men can play that game too, right? Imagine working your balls off and then being expected to hand over whatever is left of your paycheck because she did a totally subjective and arbitrary thing with no receipts to show for it instead of doing actual tangible work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:39 AM
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C. Most men are not contribute equally to the household. Since we're generalizing, it would be appropriate to include that they also pay the majority of the bills. Why would that not count as a contribution?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:19 AM
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There's no way of knowing a man's bedroom proficiency before giving him a fair shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 07:29 PM
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Perhaps you got confused because that's not what I said. The commenter explained how she was content being single but didn't disclose her sexual encounters during that period. If she did have sexual encounters, it means that her experience of being single doesn't reflect the experience of a guy who's single. Therefore, it is crucial information in order to determine how useful her advice is for single men, who are significantly less likely to have sexual encounters.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 09:12 PM
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If during those single years she had sexual encounters, her advice would be useless for single men since most can't get laid on a whim.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:12 PM
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The point is stability. Since there is another person involved, you'll have to take their wants and needs into consideration to sustain the relationship. Taking care of those wants needs will keep him focused on you instead of other women. As long as he comes home to eat, it doesn't matter where he gets hungry.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 12:05 AM
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It's a huge financial and legal risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:28 PM
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It's collective punishment, which is immoral. If people want justice for past grievances, they should take it up with the individuals who wronged them (and not their ancestors or people who share traits).
/r/MensRights25/07/25 09:13 AM
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She can't work a job and take care of herself like the emancipated woman she was back when she was single?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:07 PM
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I'm not from the US. Could you elaborate on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:20 PM
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Contrary to a marriage contract, the parties involved in a business partnership can make up their own terms and aren't incentivized for breaking them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:56 PM
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There's also the aspect that with no-fault divorce and dismissal of prenuptial agreements, the institution of marriage has become a legal and financial risk not worth taking for breadwinners, which are mostly men. I'm sure that plenty of men who don't want to marry are perfectly fine with cohabitating, starting a family, the whole shabang, just without involving the government. And let's be honest, all those everyday things are what matter in the end, right? If you want to be together, just be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:03 PM
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Bills are paid with dollars. My dollar is equally valuable as hers, as it has the same purchasing power. Splitting bills proportionally to income just because I am better at trading more dollars for one hour of my time would only be acceptable if she gets to do more tasks in which she has a comparable advantage as compensation, for example doing household chores. Otherwise, the overall contributions would not be equal.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 08:10 PM
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It wouldn't be called feminism if their efforts would diminish their position. Notice how the goalposts always get shifted when you point out a statistic that is in favor of women.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 12:19 PM
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This shit falls flat on its face when you suggest a 50-50 split in bills because you both work 40h/week. The fact that she earns minimum wage while you earn twice as much shouldn't matter, right?
/r/MensRights21/07/25 11:45 AM
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Feminism, while initially presented as a virtuous equality movement, is in practice an affirmative action program that focuses on equal outcomes rather than equal opportunities. Collective punishment is immoral. I prefer the term humanism or egalitarianism, which emphasizes individual freedoms.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 07:31 AM
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They quantify their labor in 'hours worked', which is a terrible way to measure production. This simultaneously diminishes the value of high-paying jobs. This also means that a man can just choose to take hours to complete a task and then claim to be productive. Oh wait, that's called weaponized incompetence.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 06:48 AM
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Individual liberty
/r/MensRights20/07/25 06:59 PM
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Just individual freedom, equal rights and opportunities. No affirmative action or DEI stuff that only adds momentum to the pendulum.
/r/MensRights16/07/25 08:40 PM
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That if something feels tiring or doesn’t yield results immediately, it’s not worth doing. It's fay beyond immediately. The conclusion of "the juice not being worth the squeeze" didn't come out of thin air. These young men have given up because they've put in lots of effort for a long time with little to no results. They're just done. You can't expect men to keep on trying for years without getting jaded in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:24 PM
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That goes one way. A heterosexual man is far more likely to accept a relationship that only has sex, rather than a relationship with only romance. For most men, these two might as well be the same because without sex (or the prospect of it), there would be pretty much no romance. The only exception to this would be a diminished libido due to old age or low testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 04:45 PM
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Take sex/romance out of the equation, and you're left with a platonic relationship. While these can still be valuable, it's ridiculous to dedicate my life towards one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:35 PM
0

As an average looking dude, the only time I got cold-approached with zero effort on my end was when an overweight or exceptionally ugly woman did it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:26 PM
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50% of childcare is my responsibility. 50% of the bills is my responsibility, 50% of any other household task is my responsibility. You get the idea. We could trade and redistribute based on that 50-50 ratio, maybe even utilize each individual's advantages to improve efficiency. I can see that only she is able to do 100% of the child bearing. So I guess that during the pregnancy I could take on a bit more work, but only during that time. She's mistaken if she expects me to carry the majority of …
/r/MensRights10/07/25 07:22 PM
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I don't see why childcare can't be divided like all other chores. Division of labor can be defined quite easily. If you do more than 50% of the work in one aspect, I will compensate for that elsewhere so we end up 50-50 overall. Paying bills is just another one of these chores.
/r/MensRights10/07/25 03:45 PM
1

Once by a woman that I knew for multiple years at that point. Apart from her, other women gave me choosing signals at best but never a direct approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:00 PM
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I can understand being encumbered when pregnant. But after the kid is born and she's back on her feet, she can lift her own weight once again.
/r/MensRights10/07/25 01:19 PM
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When described as a requirement to sustain a romantic relationship, it seems more than fair. But that's not the definition of a right. That being said, the same goes for being provided for. Just because I'm in a relationship with or married to someone doesn't mean that they are entitled to my money. Sure, it helps, but it's not (and should never be) a right unless I voluntarily choose to hand over the fruits of my labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 03:52 PM
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They'll stay in the back doing easy work and take credit for the men who will die on the front lines. If they want to do this equality thing right, it should be 50-50 in all divisions and not just wherever it's convenient.
/r/MensRights02/07/25 05:56 PM
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How is 50-50 a scam when we're both contruting equal amounts of value? If 50% is considered "the bare minimum" and you demand more effort on my end, then what does that say about the other person who gets to do less than 50% in that scenario? Why wouldn't they be held to the same standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 09:49 AM
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I would hate being the sole provider if I'm expected to still do half of everything else. Can't have your cake and eating it too. Either we go 50-50, or we come up with a division of labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 05:50 AM
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I'm not steering blindly. I'm in control of my life. That's as happy as I can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 09:17 AM
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From a practical point of view, this makes sense. It is also an argument against forced gender quotes in a general sense. Let people freely choose their occupation and make sure they get in these positions on merit. But as long as the status quo applies where gender equality is forced and people are forced into conscription, I want it it be applied across the board equally and not just wherever it's convenient.
/r/MensRights01/07/25 05:56 AM
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Don't we all? The point here is that as long as the war continues, there's no reason not to pursue equality. It's funny how people only start pleading for peace when someone brings up gender quality by means of removing the female privilege of not being forced to conscript. Few people had an issue with beating the war drums as long as men were the ones dying for their country.
/r/MensRights30/06/25 06:58 PM
35

Nowhere near half.
/r/MensRights30/06/25 04:59 PM
174

Not good enough. I demand a 50-50 gender quotum for the front-line meat grinder.
/r/MensRights30/06/25 04:18 PM
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Yes. I'm not entitled to someone elses money if I don't return the favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:00 AM
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We both contribute the same amount of dollars towards bills. We take turns cooking/cleaning/etc. If we choose to deviate from the objective baseline and redistribute any of these tasks, we can negotiate and come to an agreement on what we consider 50-50.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:19 AM
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Not a fan of equality, I presume? I thought it had been made more than clear that equality is the way to go in 2025. That's what women fought for all these years, correct? It starts with a 50-50 split, which is objectively the most equal distribution. Then, we can discuss a redistribution of tasks later, such that overall, it's still more or less 50-50. For example: I'm more than willing to pay more bills if it means I get to do less housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:54 AM
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Except in reality, they choose the major in fluffy bunny studies, work part-time, and still expect men to pay more than 50% of the bills while not being willing to do more than 50% of the housework. Turns out that the double-edged sword called emancipation isn't that favorable after all when there's no traditional men to bail them out. Any time a woman asks me to do more than my half, I gladly remind her that I can't do it, as it goes against the idea of emancipation, and that I'm only willing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 07:37 AM
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Once the dust settled, it gave me peace of mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 07:37 AM
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Whether it's about paying bills, cooking, cleaning, or any other household task, any overall deviation from 50-50 shouldn't be taken for granted and must be compensated, preferably by a redistribution of said tasks.
/r/MensRights20/06/25 07:42 AM
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That's a broad brush. I'd argue that men in relationships who have their needs met won't feel the need to look for alternatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:31 AM
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Definitely. Not saying it's entirely healthy, but people are right to choose junk food over starvation. Sweeping it under the rug will not solve anything. As long as people aren't dismissive towards the need for these releases, solutions could be found.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:12 AM
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Porn consumption is not a cause. It's a symptom. I bet OP wouldn't like a world where men have no access to such releases.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:45 AM
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That goes for any situation beyond dating and courting. Women are emancipated and more than capable of working for their own money. Expecting men to pay more than 50% in any situation without returning the favor in any other way is financial abuse.
/r/MensRights14/06/25 06:37 AM
0

Only if I get a hall pass
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 03:21 PM
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I don't mind as long as it's a two-way street. Some people say that it's transactional and unromantic as a way to deflect and shame men into pulling more than their half. It's funny if you consider that 50-50 is exactly what they asked for back during the 1st wave. Turns out it's a double-edged sword, and responsibilities don't magically disappear.
/r/MensRights05/06/25 09:23 AM
22

Still waiting for that 50-50 quote on male-dominated blue-collar jobs.
/r/MensRights02/06/25 03:04 PM
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Too many people believe feminists when they claim to be in favor of equal opportunities, while in reality, they are advocating for equal outcomes.
/r/MensRights02/06/25 11:39 AM
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I'm in an LTR since 2½ years. As a fairly overall average guy, dating felt like going to job interviews, walking on eggshells, and jumping through hoops. I don't mind putting myself out there, but I'm not interested in pulling teeth with someone who considers me expendable. If there is chemistry, I'll shoot my shot. But I'm not going to dedicate a significant portion of my life to a process with a very low success rate. In all fairness, my best experiences in dating have been instances where I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 11:14 PM
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I'm arguing whether the value of what you receive compares to the value of what you give in a relative sense, not absolute. In this context, the men are already financially self-sufficient. Working more and paying additional taxes will not result in any additional value to them. I'll give you an easy example: giving $4000 but receiving $1000 in value means you only get 25% value for money. Now, what's the point of giving when you get less than the value in return? What if you work more and now g…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 10:17 PM
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Most ppl don't give without taking. What matters is that the value of what they take doesn't compare to the value of what they give. I can tell you right away that the public goods and services you mentioned only account for a fraction of the budget. My point is that having to give more than you're allowed to take discourages people from putting in additional effort. People need incentives/rewards to be productive. In this context, the single men have reached a point of financial self-sufficienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 08:52 PM
0

You paying taxes and strangers benefiting from that while you get pretty much no value for (tax) money.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 08:27 PM
5

Maybe for some. Could you explain how the 'giving without taking' dynamic with strangers is meaningful to you and how it doesn't make you feel like you're being used?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 10:53 PM
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Not the only thing. There are other things in life that can provide fulfillment to some degree. A man can work towards those things. But living the bachelor life doesn't require as much resources as having a family. I guess you could say that going the extra mile (beyond the point of diminishing returns) is only worth it if he can get something more meaningful like women, sex, offspring, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 10:29 PM
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I can't disagree with men choosing to not go the extra mile to benefit society if they know they won't get anything meaningful in return. MGTOW is a fine example of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 09:08 PM
4

The popularity of RP suggests that it's a widespread phenomenon and not a coincidence. I apply this to the context of women because I am addressing OP's question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:46 PM
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I'm sure it's a human issue. However, this is about RP, which exists because men wanted to share notes to improve their chances in dating. People, including girls, being more consistent would remove the need for guys sharing notes in an attempt to decode speech and behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 01:39 PM
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No mismatch between what a girl says and what she actually does.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:37 AM
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Sexual compatibility can't be underestimated. Imagine that, as a guy with little access to sex in life so far, it's finally your turn. You think you can finally get a notch on your belt, only to be told by her that she "doesn't do that kind of stuff anymore". It's demoralizing stuff. If a guy has a debt to settle while his girl feels like "settling down", the guy is unlikely to get what he wants out of that relationship. You're right, he's not entitled to anything. In fact, nobody is. But that b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 10:38 PM
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M28, RP'd since 5 years It fits better. Blue pill advice got me nowhere and left me grasping at straws. Red pill made sense and ultimately gave me peace of mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:35 PM
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I believe that the ability to walk away is what ultimately encourages both parties to give it 100%. Marriage removes that carrot and stick, or at least raises the threshold significantly in its current-day form for at least one of the two people involved. If two people want to be together, there is nothing stopping them from doing so. A government contract isn't going to magically make things work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:23 PM
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Depends on other prospects. If someone else shows desire right away, I'll be more likely to choose that person because I won't feel rejected. If I'm on a dry spell, I can afford to wait it out. Other than that, I would still feel suspicious because women could just claim to be demi/ace to get commitment without giving much in return. I don't want to be the guy who jumps through hoops while there is a good chance others got to play by different rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:45 PM
1

By partying in clubs abroad while the men stay behind and fight. Look at Ukraine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 02:57 PM
1

Exactly, nobody's entitled to anything, so we might as well get rid of both transactions and call it a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:38 PM
4

You seem to misunderstand my point. I don't advocate for forced sex, I advocate for ex-wives providing hooker allowances to their ex-husbands. Garnishing wages is the exact same method I propose to facilitate those funds.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:38 PM
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That's a double standard. Why would violating one's bodily autonomy suddenly be acceptable when alimony checks need to be cashed? Women don't need alimony when they are emancipated and perfectly capable of earning their own salary. Why would they need to enslave their ex-husbands? It's simple. If the goal is to ensure a continuation of the benefits that come with a marriage or committed relationship, then alimony as well as hooker allowances should exist. If the goal is to ensure bodily autonomy…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:35 PM
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So, mandating an ex-wife to pay for her ex-husband's hookers would be a better solution? In that case, both will pay the other money to provide for something they no longer get out of the now dissolved marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 05:44 AM
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If alimony makes sense, then a 'hooker allowance' would too. In both cases, one provides the other (indirectly) with something that they used to provide for each other. Being in favor of one but opposing the other would be hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 10:24 PM
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I agree, government mandated sex would be a violation of a person's bodily autonomy. That being said, so is coercing a person into giving away the money that they used their body to work for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 10:17 PM
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I think mental load or emotional labor is mostly an arbitrary way to equalize the contributions gap. For example: a guy paying the majority of the bills is justified because she "makes up for it" with emotional labor. This kind of reasoning is quite dismissal towards men's contributions, as if they never have any mental loads to deal with.
/r/MensRights15/05/25 05:50 AM
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Asking for 50-50 contributions across the board. I made better financial choices. I invested in an engineering degree. Now that I reap the benefits of that, it somehow means I should pay more than 50% of the bills. Even if I would accept, I wouldn't be allowed to ask the other person to do more than 50% of the housework in return.
/r/MensRights14/05/25 11:32 AM
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Not saying it doesn't happen. Just arguing that it's more likely they prefer to wife up the woman without another man's kids if the option was there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 08:57 AM
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Paid or unpaid, "Equal hours of labor" says nothing about what actually gets done, which is wat ultimately matters. If I got twice as much things done in one hour because I'm more efficient, there's no equality in cobtributions when we both put in one hour of labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 10:59 AM
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Nothing. We literally just met, and I don't know if I'm going to see her again after the date. Me picking up the tab should be enough of a gift.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:35 AM
4

You're right about the hierarchy. It's like how an attractive woman feels insulted when an unattractive guy shoots his shot with her. Let's face it, most men who can have their pick of the litter won't choose single moms. Guys with resources but a disappointing dating track record realize that and will know that any romantic interest from a single mom won't be genuine. She probably matched with someone above him in the dating hierarchy at some point, and now after her fall from grace he's sudden…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:51 PM
10

Taxes and wealth redistribution.
/r/MensRights22/04/25 04:23 PM
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Why not look at how polite he is towards the staff? (For example saying please and thank you) OP said that tipping isn't standard. It's unfair to judge a man on tipping if that's not customary.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 12:44 PM
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OP stated that tipping is not customary in the scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 12:37 PM
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Why would an emancipated woman care how a guy spends the money that HE worked for?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 11:45 AM
3

The 'nothing box'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:12 PM
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I never understood the point of a monogamous relationship if you're going to neglect the other person's sexual needs with no intent of doing anything other than sweeping the problem under the rug, not to mention getting offended when they find out that their partner is stepping out. The betrayal already started when the dead bedroom became a thing. You can't negotiate attraction and desire. Also, withholding sex to get the other person to do more housework is manipulative. A relationship based o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 06:35 PM
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Guys have been comparing notes since forever. Social media has just amplified it. The rest is downstream of that snowball effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 10:31 PM
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I don't believe it's possible to be in a healthy LTR with a sex worker. Too many boundaries regarding intimacy would be crossed. That stuff can't be undone and often goes hand in hand with underlying psychological issues. Therefore, the term "damaged goods" applies. It's not some kind of switch you could easily flip. This doesn't mean that they can't be good or nice people. They're just unfit as a long-term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 07:54 AM
4

Focus on color blindness rather than affirmative action.
/r/MensRights18/03/25 10:39 PM
2

What's the incentive then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 10:29 PM
4

Wait staff act nice to get more tips. However, there's no tipping culture in Japan.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 10:03 PM
3

I'd like to point out that unlike the US, there's no tipping culture in Japan. There's no incentive to feign interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 10:01 PM
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No need to feign interest when there is no tipping culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 09:58 PM
4

Pence principle
/r/MensRights13/03/25 12:06 PM
183

So where are all the feminists? Are they too busy celebrating International Women's Day?
/r/MensRights07/03/25 07:55 PM
11

Unless the entire story is being told, I'll take everything with a grain of salt.
/r/MensRights07/03/25 10:54 AM
1

Who says leading means there is no equality? You keep equating it to bossing someone around. It's a tag team. We both have our strengths and weaknesses. Leading is just another task or role. Why wouldn't you adjust the division of labor to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 09:08 AM
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You're overestimating the portion of women who want to be the leader in the relationship. Look at leading as it goes in ballroom dancing, not bossing someone around as you might mistake it for. Nothing would ever get done when I'm taking the backseat. Over the years, I've observed that women get frustrated when men do that because they want to spend their time on other things rather than acting like their moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 07:59 AM
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I can lighten the mood. I can solve problems. I'm able to take the lead so she can put her brain on "stand-by" mode or shift her focus towards roles/tasks she's relatively better at.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 10:44 PM
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Why not use it against them?
/r/MensRights05/03/25 02:01 PM
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So then, if she is talking to you at the moment , that is your answer. It only means that I'm the best available option. Nothing is said about how she would treat guys that are more interesting but unavailable. What does it matter if she has reasons for doing it to the other guy? Those reasons indicate genuine desire, attraction and arousal, something men want from their partners. Men want to be the person she breaks rules for, not making them. Most people don't like double standards. Being told…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:44 PM
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"I don't do that kind of stuff" = "I don't do that kind of stuff with you" She'll make exceptions for the right guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 10:14 PM
1

I view it as a sign of hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty, unless of course they are willing to accept all other forms of body shaming, especially over things people have no control over.
/r/MensRights27/02/25 10:13 PM
11

and don't hookup immediately so as to not come off as a whore or easy Perhaps before the 1960s, but letting him wait in the year 2025, where women are sexually liberated, indicates a lack of physical attraction from her end. Unless she is truly inexperienced, it's a dishonest take. If she really finds him that attractive, she wouldn't risk him getting bored and find a woman who will give him what he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:48 PM
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Turns out that men want to be desired. How is it not perfectly reasonable for a guy to want a GF who's physically attracted to him and not be held to a double standard? Her behavior, past and present, tells you everything you need to know about her attraction towards a guy. If she gave up the goods relatively early in the past, then she shouldn't be surprised from that point onwards other guys expect to be treated the same way, as she has demonstrated how she behaves towards men she desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:35 PM
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It's perfectly reasonable to expect a 50/50 split in contributions. If he's not able to pay half of the bills, he should take on a bigger portion of the other household chores as compensation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:59 PM
4

If you're getting into a contract with the government, you might as well make up your own terms. It should be purely symbolic and voluntary with zero legal strings attached after breaking the contract. No one is entitled to anything. At all times, both parties maintain private ownership of their own stuff and assets. Ownership on joint assets should be split proportionally based on contributions like shares in a company. Of course, such an arrangement will never be called a marriage, let alone b…
/r/MensRights07/02/25 11:00 PM
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We all participate in relationships on a voluntary basis. We don't have to be there if we dont want to. Neither do we have to be there for the other person, cook or clean for them, pay their bills, etcetera. That being said, if couples want to make it work, they have to consider what the other person wants. Sex and intimacy seem like quite an important one in most romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 06:50 AM
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I guess it doesn't really matter for younger guys. But at a certain point, the longer he's a virgin, the more it is indicative of a lack of social proof, which disqualifies him. He still hasn't lost his V-card, therefore something must be wrong with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 11:06 PM
5

Grievance-based overcorrections do not result in equality. Applying equality does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 02:22 PM
9

We are already equal under the law. Therefore, by your definition, feminism has completed its goal. Since there is still an agenda, it means there is more than just equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 01:34 PM
5

I'm pro individualism. Defining feminism as equal rights and nothing more is a dishonest take.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 01:25 PM
5

In demographics, gender gaps in favor of men are treated as problematic, while gender gaps in favor of women are celebrated. DEI policies discriminate against men. Examples are scholarships or job openings. In elementary education, young boys who act like boys are treated as flawed or faulty girls. "Women and children first" is still a thing, implying that men are disposable. (Obviously I have no problem with protecting children) "Innocent until proven guilty" is often ignored when a man gets ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:12 PM
1

As long as the favor eventually gets returned. I'm not interested in a one-way street. I'm sure that we can compliment another.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 11:42 AM
6

Just keep the lights off and save on electricity.
/r/MensRights20/01/25 12:15 AM
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That's alimony or spousal support, which is not in the scope of this discussion. But if you want compensation for the "missed" opportunity costs for those who sacrificed the full potential of their career, consider that it would be just as fair to entitle the former breadwinner with additional hours with their kids to make up for all the time they spent working. Everyone made choices and sacrifices, it's a double-edged sword.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:48 PM
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Here's where you draw the line: If a kid actually needs something, it's a basic need. Think about food, clothing, shelter, school, etc. Sure, there are additional things that could be beneficial like extracurricular activities, but they aren't essential. Parents can still purchase luxuries, they'll just have to pay for them out of their own pockets. It's immoral to make an expensive and unnecessary purchase and then force someone else to chip in without their consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:42 PM
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The goal is to provide basic necessities. Luxuries can be paid for out of pocket by the parent who purchases them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:27 PM
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what about where parents disagree on quality of food/clothing needed? I'd make a case for a standardized amount for any kid.Barring exceptions, basic needs are the same for most kids. doing this 'ad hoc' seems to complicate things. The only variable would be cost of living of the area and the kid's age. Or if one parent chooses to use paid childcare on their days to enable them to work more - would that be a shared cost? Why would that be a shared cost when it's your own choice? It seems kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:21 PM
-7

First of all: child support should only be spent on essentials that are needed to support the kid. No luxuries. The method will be simple budgeting. The amount of money to support one kid will be a set amount, of which initially 50/50 will be contributed by both parents. Receipts should be kept and expenses should be approved prior to reimbursement to make sure they are justified. I've seen too many cases of parents using child support money to pay for non-essential or luxury items, sometimes no…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 11:34 AM
7

Not making my life more chaotic by being kind, not being adversarial, being able to control her emotions, etc. When I come home after a long day of work, I don't want to deal with another boss. Her taking good care of her body and dressing up nicely will increase sexual satisfaction, which is beneficial for the relationship. If I suck at a certain household task, it would be nice if she excels at it. By returning the favor, we can compliment each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:22 PM
14

I got out of a LTR, dating got more difficult. I went looking for answers. Knowing the reality, no matter how harsh, ultimately gave me clarity and peace of mind. Yes, it was a bitter pill to swallow, a truth bomb. But a game plan based in reality will not leave me frustrated and wondering why things don't work out. After applying RP, I had much more success in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 10:57 AM
5

Luck is definitely involved, otherwise it wouldn't be a numbers game. I've seen both sides of the bell curve. I've seen guys who had their shit together but still weren't good enough. I've seen guys who had, despite their serious shortcomings, no difficulty getting laid or getting into a functional LTR. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 10:44 PM
1

No matter what, eventually someone will have to pick up the tab if you want to pay people for not working. The question is whether people take that responsibility themselves or they force other people to pay it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 10:27 AM
0

People could just sue their employers if they're cause any injuries or damages. I don't see why that needs to be different for the military. There's no need for a financial sinkhole called 'VA' that hands out tons of taxpayer money for every papercut.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 12:01 AM
-2

I think that both men and women should have an opt-out before the birth of the kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:25 PM
1

The goal is to be around them when they need me. Not having to work full-time will make that easier. I do realize that sometimes, I won't be able to educate them and that occasionally, they need to get out there and socialize to develop themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:49 PM
0

Emancipation cuts both ways. It has been made pretty clear that individuals are on their own and not entitled to anything unless people choose to associate with each other on a voluntary basis. As an emancipated individual, It's your own responsibility to either save up a fund or surround yourself with people who are willing to support you. If you're desperate for taxpayers to take care of you financially when you can't get to work, you might want to reconsider your declaration of "emancipation"…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:21 PM
5

Either that or private education.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:52 PM
0

I'm saving up for them so I can spend time with them without going into poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:09 PM
-2

Themselves, perhaps their relatives who are willing to support them. Having children is an individual choice, other people shouldn't be forced to pay for that. People should take responsibility themselves and save up a bit so they can afford to take time off in a situation like this. If you're not in the position to do that, you shouldn't be having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 05:38 PM
-6

All in favor, though I have some comments of a few points: Women should not be penalized in her pay solely because of her sex People should be paid for the value of the work they do. Not paying someone who doesn't work is not a punishment. A woman who works a low-demand job and gets paid less than a man who works a high-demand job is "punished" for her choice, not her sex. Also, a woman who's on paternity leave shouldn't be financially supported by her boss or the taxpayer, but by her partner. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 04:53 PM
4

Aroused women set a certain standard if they put out early. As a result, men who don't get laid right away will feel like they're being led on because empirical evidence suggests that if there was genuine desire from her side, it would've happened already. This is still a generalization. There could in fact be a minority of women who consistently let men wait regardless of attraction or arousal. However, the truth is that men won't always know for sure if they're dealing with this kind of women,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:17 PM
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It's about exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:33 AM
2

Just saying that if the same bigotry would be applied to a person's race or ethnicity, nobody would even doubt to call it racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:18 AM
7

A man's gotta eat
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:48 PM
4

Yeah, just beat them at their own game. Draw them out a bit by declaring yourself a woman, than make them look like fools by letting them try to disprove something that cannot be disproven. It's the hand you were dealt. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
/r/MensRights16/12/24 03:27 PM
6

Perfectly capable. I'll still dodge simply because I'm not going to indulge a bunch of feminists who suddenly need men to do all the heavy lifting. Even if women were to be drafted like men, we all know they'll end up doing the easy low-risk stuff away from the front lines. Fuck that. I'm not risking my life for people who obviously don't value mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:31 AM
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It got transactional the second people asked for equality. If me doing 50% of the chores is considered "the bare minimum", then so is paying 50% of the bills. Don't run me up the flagpole for applying the 50/50 principle in a consistent way. Or just admit that you want the other person to objectively contribute more than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 07:38 PM
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Hours worked is a terrible idea if one outearns the other because one will end up paying more than half, which goes against the idea of 50/50. Just split the bills 50/50 and let the other keep the difference to themselves. No one is entitled to more than 50% unless they are willing to compensate elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:40 PM
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People like Tate gaining traction on young men is a symptom, not a cause. If you want young men to reject his message, you have to offer them a better deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:34 PM
33

When the reward for your hard work is more work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:28 AM
5

Women don't have a monopoly on not having access to healthcare.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 10:35 PM
14

If everyone's in the same room, the well gets poisoned rather quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 07:02 PM
13

Users have hidden "attractiveness scores" based on how other people swipe their profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 09:18 PM
1

I'd even be okay with doing more if I'm more competent than my partner. I just don't want to hear anything about equality when it's obviously not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 12:01 AM
3

Letting the homemaker do 100% of the chores while letting the sole provider pay 100% of the bills could also be considered 50/50 across the board if both roles are assumed to create equal value. That being said, if one person pays more than 50% of the bills, it seems fair that the other person does more than 50% of the domestic work in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 11:50 PM
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I don't get why people are saying that doing 50% of the chores is considered "the bare minimum", while simultaneously arguing that having to pay 50% of the bills is silly. Pick a lane already. Let's say I suck at household chores, would that also exempt me from doing half of them the same way a person who sucks at earning a paycheck get's bailed out? Or does equality only apply when it's favorable?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 11:36 PM
-1

I don't understand these people who insist on viewing relationships like a business transaction Scores need to be kept if equality is the end goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 10:42 PM
4

If he lived alone he would have to work and do his own dishes, laundry, and vacuuming. Same goes for paying the bills, but asking someone to do the bare minimum and pay their 50% somehow isn't fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 10:41 PM
1

50/50 can only be fair if it's applied across the board. That includes paying the bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 09:50 PM
-1

It's strictly in the context of a relationship where two people voluntarily take part in.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 09:22 PM
1

Sure, but it's not something that should be taken for granted. Just because it's easy for one person doesn't mean they are obliged.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 07:28 PM
2

Bingo
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 07:17 PM
3

Though men should be aware of women who'll try using them, it's not like those favors aren't returned. A relationship is a mutually beneficial arrangement. I'm pretty sure men would just leave if that wasn't the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 07:14 PM
3

What men hate is a lack of reciprocity. It still takes two to tango.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 05:12 PM
1

Do you think masculinity needs traditional gender roles where a man is the leader? Mostly, yes. Though I think leadership is the key aspect. Most traditional roles are the way they are because economically it's the most efficient in a team of two. Take my example of cooking as proof, where I'm the one leading her when we cook together. Despite cooking being a traditionally feminine activity, she perceives it as masculine because I lead her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 03:37 PM
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Your friends and neighbors don't care if you're acting masculine, as they're not romantically or sexually interested in you in the first place. It works in my case because: 1) She's my GF and 2) She's afraid of spiders.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 02:28 PM
1

She acts feminine. She supports me, satisfies me, isn't quarrelsome, and is willing to bear my children in the future. All without making my life more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 02:18 PM
12

It's a bit of a damsel in distress type of situation. She's scared of spiders. Me removing the cause of her distress (taking care of business) is perceived as masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 02:06 PM
2

I assume you display your big ego as a way to test a man? Most men don't want to deal with that, especially not in a relationship. They want peace and quiet. Don't forget that he's also testing you, so don't be a thorn in his side. I'd say use more subtle shit-tests if you want to know if he's capable of leading you. If he fails, move on. If he passes, let him lead.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 01:37 PM
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I get it. Somebody needs to, especially if he drops the ball. Can't have zero captains, can't have two either. That's why you're vetting for someone who is competent in such a leadership position. I'm not saying that he's supposed to lead you 24/7 in every single aspect as I'm sure that in some aspects, you'll have more authority, for example when it comes to nurturing. Just ask yourself whether in the grand scheme of things, you being the captain (and him being your first officer) is what you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 01:07 PM
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Just like in ballroom dancing: let him lead you. No, this doesn't mean giving up your authority. Think about it like he's the captain steering the ship and you're his first officer who supports him. It's mutually beneficial, but the roles aren't the same. Yin and yang. Of course this means that he must know how to lead in the first place. One of the reasons my girl loves me is because when I'm with her, she can essentially put the front of her brain on standby (her words) because I am the one wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 12:52 PM
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Settle down, stop putting words in my mouth, and read the things I actually say.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 02:42 PM
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It takes two to tango.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 02:35 PM
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If a man is worried about the state of your vagina after giving birth to his child A man's concern for a potentially diminishing quality of intimacy, which could lead to a declining relationship doesn't seem invalid, especially not when a family is at stake.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 02:25 PM
-1

In the context that I'm illustrating where one significantly out earns the other: yes. My point: with a limited number of hours in a day to spend, it makes no sense to let one person waste as many hours on earning a salary if the other person can earn significantly more per hour. Overall, it would be better to let a person focus on the tasks that suit them best.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 11:59 PM
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I don't know, but some seem to pat themselves on the back for their "equal" contribution to the household income because they also worked 40 hours, ignoring the fact that they earned way less and paid less than 50% of the bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 06:52 PM
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Applauding a man for doing a half-assed household chore is equally dumb as applauding a woman for earning half a paycheck in the same time a man earned a whole one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 05:47 PM
-9

Just don't ask for 50/50 if you can't keep up your end of the bargain.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 05:35 PM
-11

Bills are paid with dollars, not hours. Expecting one person to pay more bills just because they can trade more dollars for one hour of work might feel more fair for the person who earns less, but it is objectively not 50/50. Time spent is not the way to measure a contribution. Let's say that in one hour, one person completes 25% of a chore, while the other person does the other 75%. Despite both spending 1 hour of their time, nobody would call this 50/50 because the other person objectively 3x …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:37 PM
2

That's a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 10:38 AM
9

The reason abortion rights exist is due to an understanding that no human should be forced to give away its body to support another human being. This extends to many things outside of abortion If I use my body to earn a salary that I am legally forced to give away, it would mean my bodily autonomy is being violated. Not ejaculating inside of a fertile woman Doing a vasectomy This is the male equivalent of the terrible "just close your legs" or "just tie up your tubes" argument. Do you really wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:12 PM
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I'm just saying that it's objectively not 50/50 if one person pays more than the other. Some people are okay with it, I'm just saying that one person consistently contributing more than half has a valid reason to feel taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:46 PM
0

Yes. You worked for it. You were the one who traded one hour of your labor for a certain amount of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 06:46 PM
-2

Statistical weight
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:47 PM
-4

Under the debatable assumption that working 40 hours is equal to one week of chores: yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:33 PM
0

Equality is a two-way street. So when bills need to be paid, the concept suddenly flies out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 03:50 PM
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Sure, as long as it means that the bills can be split 50/50 as well. If the person who earns more is expected to pay more bills, it would be nice to return that favor elsewhere to avoid making the other person feel used.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 03:46 PM
6

This is why "hours worked" is a terrible way to measure contributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 03:36 PM
25

I remember in 7th grade, only the girls got them. They explained that it was to prevent cervical cancer, so the boys didn't need them. They didn't bother explaining that men can also get other types of HPV related cancer. Only since a few years, boys can get them as well. I got mine at 26, which is probably too late.
/r/MensRights14/11/24 12:09 AM
1

You can have different ideologies but still have enough common ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 07:39 PM
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My point being that I don't think many women would that long term. Though I have to say that with the welfare state, women will still get their money because the government taxes the living shit out of hard working men.
/r/MensRights11/11/24 03:55 PM
59

Equality is a double-edged sword. I'm perfectly fine with making this whole thing transactional where neither parties do anything for the other.
/r/MensRights11/11/24 12:15 PM
6

They got high on their own supply. They seem to forget that excommunicating, banning, or censoring people with opposing views doesn't make those people go away and certainly doesn't get them on their side.
/r/MensRights08/11/24 01:23 PM
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But somehow, those people think he's still the better option. What does that say about the blue team?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:42 AM
7

After divorce, many fathers have their kids held hostage by the mother, who is backed by a heavily biased family court. To not financially cripple themselves, they are often advised not to fight for custody. Them trying to protect themselves by refusing to play this rigged game is often mistaken for deliberate abandonment.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 08:39 AM
5

Life is too short to negotiate with terrorists.
/r/MensRights06/11/24 01:45 PM
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You're free to visit or move to other states, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 11:54 AM
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Roe v. Wade was about letting individual US states decide abortion laws, rather than the entire country as a whole. Unless all 50 states individually decide against it, it will be possible to have an abortion in the US. Being both pro-choice and in favor of state sovereignty aren't mutually exclusive stances.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:21 AM
10

Libertarian
/r/MensRights03/11/24 07:23 PM
3

Since people tend to be unhappy and experience psychological distress if left unfulfilled, I say yes. Barring outliers like asexuals, in the context of relationships, it's a fairly essential component.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 02:51 PM
2

Well, best of luck keeping a man that way. And if you do, I hope he's going to be happy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 10:00 AM
3

Ergo, if sexless phases make men unhappy, it proves that sex is needed to maintain the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 09:53 AM
3

I'm not interested in discussing the tiny minority of asexuals here. This is about the majority. Quit the bs. Almost no men knowingly sign up for it. The only reason men stay in sexless relationships is because they are penalized for leaving and because their livelihood is held hostage. Those are not happy relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 09:32 AM
3

So you're just roommates then? I wonder how many men like to sign up for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 09:14 AM
3

It is in the context of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 09:06 AM
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Obviously, the need for sex is not as fundamental as the need for food, clothing, and shelter, but it's more a psychological need that dictates mental health and happiness. I can't speak for women. But for most men, it's a psychological need, which is required to be met in order to keep him happy and maintain a healthy relationship. It's simple: if you put sex off the table because it's not a real need, don't expect your relationship to last.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 09:00 AM
1

Take a look at their lives. Chances are that they aren't doing too well and they are just lashing out.
/r/MensRights01/11/24 12:44 AM
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Within a division of labor, some tasks are better suited for men, while some are better suited for women. Just let him do his part while you do yours. He's the captain, you're his first officer. Trust his efforts by not constantly questioning them or being quarrelsome about it. Let him be the man in the relationship, so you can be the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 09:27 PM
63

I worked as a dishwasher during college. One night, I was cleaning the kitchen after the cooks went home. The owner popped in and flipped out on our hostess because she left me and an underage waitress unsupervised during her smoke break. At first, I thought it was a matter of safety because with the front doors unlocked, anyone with ill intentions could just barge in. Later, I found out that the owner had an issue with me, a man, a supposedly potential abuser/predator, being near underaged staf…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 12:27 PM
1

Liberal arts degrees will not close the wage gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 11:26 AM
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You're assuming that men and women develop the same kind of baggage that affects future relationships. We're not blank slates.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:02 AM
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Well said
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 09:33 AM
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Men don't want to deal with excessive amounts of baggage that often comes with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 09:28 AM
0

Emotional labor tops it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:04 PM
2

There's some accountability to be taken. If you fail to instruct your partner or provide helpful feedback, you can't blame your lack of satisfaction on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 01:14 PM
1

Not condoning it, but I could imagine that having to pay full price when everyone else gets a hefty discount is quite insulting and could send an already struggling man over the edge.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 09:13 AM
2

I'm sorry you feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:13 PM
0

You are free to do that. I hope it works out for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:11 PM
0

Ideally option 2, but if he tends to lose interest or other women are outcompeting her, granting him sexual access should keep him around. If he truly is a "catch", women typically cannot afford to go with option 2 and instead choose option 1 out of necessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 12:17 PM
22

Sometimes, beggars can't be choosers
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 02:30 PM
7

Men don't like rocking the boat either. However, men who later on find out that they invested thousands of dollars and many years of their time in a kid that wasn't theirs aren't going to be compensated. To add insult to injury, they will be forced to be on the hook. Therefore, the rational reaction is an increased emphasis on prevention. If men were entitled to compensation and women were prosecuted for paternity fraud, fewer men would have an issue with signing a birth certificate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 12:12 PM
15

It was said almost a decade ago. Why do you think his message resonates so well with people?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 07:31 AM
11

Those people think it's a zero sum game, where advocating for one group's rights automatically means taking away some other group's rights. This makes men's rights activists falsely appear reactionary and mostly antagonistic. Every now and then, some mainstream sub decides to ban me just because I comment on this sub. Guilt by association is some next level tyranny.
/r/MensRights24/09/24 06:11 PM
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Men walk away, women most affected. Shaming men for refusing to play a rigged game is just wild.
/r/MensRights24/09/24 06:05 PM
1

Primarily for recreational purposes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 07:17 PM
7

If women can do it why is it so difficult for men to exist being single? The difference here is the same as the difference between "fasting" and "starving". It's much easier to hold out for the best option if there are plenty of options to choose from. People with little to no options are not in that kind of privileged position.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:02 PM
2

Arousal is the word
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 08:31 AM
1

Your friends' friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:39 PM
10

Sex is my love language.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:34 PM
45

Any LTR potential would fly right out of the window at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 08:51 PM
10

Some even expect me keep standing so their bags can have a seat too. Somehow I'm the bad guy when I ask them to remove their bags.
/r/MensRights06/09/24 07:22 PM
6

Learn about stoicism
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:35 PM
16

I catch your drift, though my comment was aimed towards certain acceptance movements who vilify men for not being attracted to people with certain traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:59 PM
51

You can't shame a man into an erection.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:42 PM
2

Popular dating apps are commercially successful because they aren't designed to match and simultaneously get rid of their customers, but designed to encourage men to "pay to play" and to let women perpetually wonder if the next swipe or match is potentially better than the last one. There are plenty of smaller niche dating apps out there that are more based on personality. However, the low number of users decreases one's chance on finding a partner there. It's a chicken-egg story. People are mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:27 PM
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If there are overlapping experiences or other common denominators, there can be a consensus. It could provide guidance to those looking for answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:37 PM
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These arguments are only a reaction towards the things people say not matching the things people do. The goal is not to persuade, but to point out the inconsistency. Getting stuck in the red pill rage phase is unproductive. The best course of action is to accept reality for what it is, rather than becoming delusional. Comparing notes, sharing lived experiences and empirical evidence with peers is a way towards establishing a consensus.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:55 PM
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There are no leaders. It's not a centralized movement. It's just a bunch of guys comparing notes and sharing anecdotes, empirical evidence, and lived experiences. However, some people (like Rollo) simply have been around long enough to be considered credible representatives or ambassadors. Despite that, none of them have some kind of absolute authority. These people earned their spot in the community and they can lose it any time. These people subscribe to RP, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 08:58 PM
38

Yup. It's a clear projection of their superiority complex.
/r/MensRights03/09/24 08:32 AM
3

With enough impulsivity, people have no problem taking a chance when the grass looks greener on the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:20 PM
8

Given the fact that men generally out earn women, alimony becomes a financial incentive for women. If kids are involved, biased family courts also increase risk for men because they are more likely to lose their kids too. I also think that compared to men, women tend to get bored more quickly in a stable environment like a marriage.
/r/MensRights29/08/24 10:16 PM
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Men can put their eggs in three baskets: looks, money, status. Women only have the looks, so they tend to focus more on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 08:12 PM
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We're at the stage of a population decline. Most western countries are only growing because of migration. South Korea is in the furthest stage. Their growth rate is currently -0.24%. It is already predicted that by the end of the century, the population will have shrunk from 51M to 28M. If you look at the most urbanized area's, you can easily draw parallels with the behavioral decline observed in universe 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 02:50 PM
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Because the signs often manifest in non-verbal cues and emotional games which have no clear meaning. Do yourself a favor and don't tolerate mind games. Instead, train your GF to express herself clearly with words like an adult.
/r/MensRights29/08/24 09:42 AM
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I guess we're already living in mouse utopia.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:32 AM
3

Giving anything more than you're allowed to take should be optional. I honestly can't say the status quo is any better, so I might as well keep my earnings. If you want a job done right, you do it yourself. If you believe giving more money will solve things, you should definitely do that as an individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 10:16 PM
2

Let's just agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 10:11 PM
2

Never mind, I forgot that Marxists don't believe in individualism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 09:56 PM
3

You don't think that (partial) slavery is a violation of bodily autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 09:43 PM
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I guess you can consider redistribution "reasonable" as long as it happens on a voluntary basis and people can consent to it. In your case, you consent to pay a larger share and effectively give more than you're allowed to take. However, people who are not in favor are right to not give that same consent. Forcing those people to do it anyway would be immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 09:42 PM
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Define redistribution of wealth Being forced to give more than you're allowed to take. I think most people recognize that you can’t have a functional country with no form of taxes at all That's not the point. Both cases or redistribution are essentially violations of bodily autonomy. I'm just pointing out the double standard, since people are in favor of one but against the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:33 PM
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Both types of redistribution boil down to violations of bodily autonomy. People (myself included) are against forced redistribution in the dating market because it's immoral to force another person into a romantic or sexual relationship against their will, regardless if such a redistribution would be "more fair" or beneficial for those who have less. On a similar note, I think it's also immoral to force a person who used their own body to earn an income to forfeit that income without their conse…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:33 PM
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Socialists. Ironically, many of those who want a redistribution of wealth and think they are entitled to other people's money simultaneously seem to understand that dating is a free market and that it's immoral to force a similar type of redistribution there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 09:07 AM
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South Korea has the lowest birth rate of all countries. All these emancipated childless women might as well join the military.
/r/MensRights27/08/24 07:32 PM
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Why abandon an unwanted kid when you can just legally kill it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:22 PM
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In most western judicial systems, not proven guilty means innocent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:16 AM
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So with bodily autonomy in mind, would it also be sociopathic to demand a breadwinner to share the fruits of their labor (which they obtained using their body) to benefit the relationship? Or are breadwinners who refuse to share going to be called financial abusers?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:30 AM
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I agree, but I can't think how sexual neglect won't affect the relationship negatively. It's easy to chalk a libido gap up to "sexual incompatibility". Though I'm sure that on the other hand, a breadwinner sometimes also doesn't feel like using their body to earn money so they can pay bills for the other person, even though doing so would be more beneficial for the relationship. The breadwinner not sharing the fruits of their labor would be called financial neglect or even abuse, but no one woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 11:16 PM
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I currently am. As long as we're in a monogamous relationship, the only thing that matters is that she desires me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:54 PM
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OP thinks men should "do the right thing" and just risk being used. Those who weren't born yesterday will know it's a risk not worth taking.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:09 AM
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No, I'm just asking if the guy starts watching porn because he's sexually neglected or if he had a porn addiction before the bedroom died, hence chicken or egg. Many will blindly assume to the latter and blame the guy, while the first option wouldn't be an unfair assumption either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 02:44 PM
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Chicken or egg?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 08:43 AM
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Engaging in hookups means that the bar is set at a certain height. The only way to reassure a guy who's considered husband material that you genuinely desire him sexually is to give him at least the same enthusiastic bedroom experience as your hookup guy. Anything below that means that he's not your most desired option, which is insulting. That being said, men who end up with sub-par duty sex or dead bedrooms but are still expected to commit and fulfill their husband duties are right to be upset…
/r/MensRights08/08/24 06:18 PM
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Genuinely surprised that the comments in the original thread are mostly sympathetic towards the guy.
/r/MensRights08/08/24 03:59 PM
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Relationships tend to get more transactional if people bring different qualities to the table, which isn't too unlikely when men and women are inherently different. The blank slate assumption is incorrect. It is obvious that men generally have higher libidos. The real question is how these differences are settled. You could split everything 50/50 as two individuals, or work together as one for the greater good of the relationship. Either one of the choices is fine, as long as you pick one and st…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 06:23 PM
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It's not bad advice, but people shouldn't act like relationship/sex/intimacy is irrelevant in an attempt to make people who can't obtain it feel better. It gives the same vibes as a millionaire telling poor people that having money doesn't make you happy. Being happy single is a cope, people should just be honest about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 09:09 AM
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That's fair. However, that notion also implies that men who aren't good enough for casual sex but still good enough for a relationship are simply not desired by that woman. Given that men want to be desired by their partner, it makes no sense for a man to invest in an asymmetrical relationship by giving commitment to a woman who doesn't sexually desire him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:34 PM
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They all have their price. The more they are into you, the higher your discount will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:28 PM
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Keep the state out of marriages and we have ourselves a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:28 PM
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I would have no problem with a meaningless, non legally binding substitute for marriage that doesn't involve the government and has zero legal consequences. But would such an arrangement scratch your itch?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:16 PM
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With no-fault divorce, marriage no longer has any meaning and only increases legal and financial risks, statistically more often for the man. At the end of the day, if "being together" is what matters, why not just be together? It's not like a ring and a signature on a government contract is magically going to make things work. If his word isn't good enough, then go find someone you are compatible with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:42 PM
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that she has to pay for the child all by herself, otherwise. I agree with your proposal to put more accountability on the mother, but I'm afraid the state will just end up giving her more welfare money.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 10:17 PM
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Because most men who do think they are the father. Also, testing is highly stigmatized and could lead to all sorts of relationship drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 10:10 PM
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France has entered the chat
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 09:19 PM
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Making paternity testing mandatory is unnecessary. It's a guy's own responsibility to do a test before putting his signature on a piece of paper that puts him on the hook for 18 years. Though it would be nice if paternity testing wasn't frowned upon as much. That being said, it would be evil to prohibit paternity testing altogether like it is the case in France.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 09:18 PM
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They go to jail if they don't. Once they sign the birth certificate, they're on the hook for 18 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 09:09 PM
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The government is fine with the status quo because there is no financial incentive. There's no scenario where the government comes out ahead financially if the wrong guy wants to get off the hook. Even if he can prove he's not the father, best case scenario: someone else will be on the hook, worst case scenario: the government ends up having to pay for it through welfare. They might as well force the guy to pay for a kid that's not his. If a sense of justice equals "having balls", it means your …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:46 PM
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It's not hate, but rather criticism and pushback towards people who make terrible life choices. Single moms are often praised and portrayed as innocent victims who can't be responsible for bad decisions, while fathers get all the blame. In reality, both parents are to blame for a broken home. Even if the father is a deadbeat, the mother is the one who chose him as the father of her kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 01:15 PM
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Ideally, the cliché white picket fence - A stable family with the right woman, no DB, no divorce, not losing my kids and half of my assets/paychecks/pension.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:44 AM
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She and her offspring will be taken care of. Also, cash and prizes if she decides to leave one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 08:54 PM
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They are just less suitable for dating, that's all. Their situation makes women without kids more suitable in comparison. Men will simply choose the more convenient option. Men also don't want responsibility without authority. why complain about how single moms are “flawed” and “detrimental to society”, but also complain about them actually taking motherhood seriously? Them prioritizing motherhood isn't wrong. The criticism is aimed towards the accountability of a woman to choose the right man t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:43 PM
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I remember from my middle school years that the girls all got HPV vaccinations as a prevention measure for cervical cancer. Since boys don't have cervices, they were denied. The possibility that boys could get other types of cancer as a result of HPV wasn't a reason to get them vaccinated too. Fast forward to a couple of years ago, they finally decided that men under 27 can get vaccinated too. I was just under the cut-off DOB to get one, even though it is probably too late for me. The boys of my…
/r/MensRights07/06/24 11:58 AM
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This is like comparing apples and oranges. If you want to make an accurate comparison, make sure to tell the whole story from more than one side, list everything, and refrain from conveniently leaving out details that don't fit your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 02:10 PM
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Victimhood pays. Since these people overlook the actions of the individual and instead only look at people as parts of collectives based on shallow traits like sex, it means that sharing a trait with a victim automatically makes you a victim as well. In the same way, if you share traits with somebody who did a bad thing once, it makes you a bad person too regardless of your actions.
/r/MensRights31/05/24 10:15 AM
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Associating doesn't automatically mean relationship. if parties are behaving logically I'd chalk it up to monkey brain overriding the front of the brain every now and then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:28 PM
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You're assuming that both parties need each other equally while in reality, women are in higher demand. From the biological differences between men and women (sperm is in abundance and eggs are scarce) follows Briffaults law, which states if the woman can derive no benefit from association with the man, no such association takes place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:00 PM
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You're assuming they're dating, and not just hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 12:30 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but why is it called a rape kit, when in reality it can only be used to confirm that there was sexual intercourse and not whether it was consensual or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 12:28 AM
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Everything is shared There's a double standard. If the husband keeps his money to himself, it's called financial abuse or neglect. But if the wife withholds sex, the husband is told that he's not entitled to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:43 PM
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Since we're holding everyone to the same standards, would that also mean that she should make arrangements to see his needs met? Is she going to clean his clothes, tidy his house, cook his meals, and have sex with him until he remarries? If he's not entitled to that, than neither is she entitled to his financial support.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:39 PM
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Forcing somebody to forfeit something without their consent is slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:33 PM
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The correct term when one doesn't hold up their end of the bargain in a relationship would be 'neglect', not 'abuse'. All relationships should be voluntary and nobody should be forced to do anything against their will. Nobody is entitled to anything, whether it's sex or the fruits of someone's labor. These things could be called 'needs', but only with respect to the relationship, not the people in it. If certain aspects are important to maintain the relationship, they should be discussed. If a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:30 PM
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Virgin or not, whenever they say "I don't do that kind of stuff", just add "...with you" to that to let it make sense. Like you've already observed, they're willing to drop the act for the right guy. If they make rules for you, they're not that into you. Move on and become a person worth breaking rules for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:58 PM
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Regardless of the underlying reason, the reality is that men generally don't prefer women with body hair. Since in practice, feminism is about rebelling against men, feminists decide not to conform to that beauty standard as an act of rebellion. Since feminism is highly political nowadays, not shaving body hair becomes a political act. The reason nobody cares about men's body hair is because opposed to women's body hair, there's no clear consensus or beauty standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 10:22 AM
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Because women themselves have made it abundantly clear that they are emancipated and want to be treated as equals. I'm happy to treat them as an equal, because it means we both get to pull the same amount of weight. If she finds out that equality is a double-edged sword and no longer wants to be equal, she's more than welcome to become a traditional woman by giving me more responsibility and proportionally more authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:26 AM
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Because in Marxism, the rules and standards are different depending on whether you belong to the oppressor or oppressed group.
/r/MensRights21/05/24 01:04 PM
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Those people probably think that sharing a trait with a victim also makes them a victim and that they should be compensated by a person sharing a trait with the perpetrator. Being careful is one thing, but demanding preemptive compensation based on common traits just undermines individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 07:43 PM
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I've seen conversations about dividing housework, taking care of kids, male suicide rates and then women bring in the one in four or one in five stat In what way are sexual assault stats or suicide rates relevant in a discussion about a division of labor within a household?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 07:28 PM
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At the end it's still a numbers game. You can look like a million bucks, but if you don't meet that many women, he's less likely to get lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:40 PM
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Dating apps don't work for the majority of men, but as a top 10% guy he should yield some results.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:37 PM
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What's wrong with earning your own money, and then forward that money to whatever cause you find important? Why should other people with different priorities be forced to participate in that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 05:05 PM
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Under communism, I'll just do the easy work like those "day in the life of..." token girls who are hired by some tech startup and produce zero value other than boosting a company's ESG score. In the meantime, other people do the real work that keeps shit running and get paid the same lousy salary as me. I'm sure that won't backfire at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 04:15 PM
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But left leaning women seem to love ultra conservative men Turns out that someone actually needs to pay for shit. Their entire ideology revolves around spending other people's money.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 04:11 PM
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If she's hot, I'll sleep with her. However, she won't be LTR material. If your ideology revolves around using other people's money to pay for shit you find important rather than doing the work yourself, you're just lazy. I don't want an LTR with a lazy person who isn't going to pull her weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:31 PM
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50/50 could be done in multiple ways as long as the value of all contributions by both parties is equal, for example with traditional gender roles, where a division of labor based on individual qualities and opportunity costs is applied. The tasks aren't split exactly in half, but the value created could be equal or at least close to equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 11:28 AM
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Obviously, the "soft guy era" and "drizzle drizzle" shticks are only meant to make a point. No realistic man is going to expect a woman to take care of him without returning the favor in any other way. The ultimate goal is to let men and women meet halfway and split contributions 50/50 as equals at all times, and not just whenever it's convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 11:50 PM
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High body count
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 11:11 AM
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There is no payout for having have been raped How about hush money or a huge settlement from a lawsuit? There's even more to gain from high profile men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 09:13 PM
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Pence principle or Billy Graham rule if you want to be sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 09:04 PM
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Fairness is subjective and has no one-size-fits-all solution. Too many variables. There are 2 options: If you want to be equals, you have to go 50/50 across the board, no exceptions. If you don't want to be equals, then make agreements about a division of labor that feels fair for both parties involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 11:25 AM
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Calling it more equal is objectively incorrect when the financial contribution of one person is more than the other. Did you mean to say more equitable? If one person earns 30k, the other person earns 90k, and they both forward the same percentage towards the household income, it means that the contributions are split 25/75, not 50/50. Depending on the situation, the person earning less might find it more fair to let the person who out earns them pay more. Since fairness is subjective, the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 11:08 AM
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There seems to be some confusion about what 50/50 means from a financial perspective. Does it mean that both people pay the same amount, or does it mean that both people forward the same portion/percentage of their income towards the household?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 07:26 PM
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It means playing the numbers game
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 10:11 AM
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The ball is not in her court, but in the government's. As long as marriage is a legal contract, it's not for me. A ring and a signature are not going to magically seal the deal. If my commitment alone isn't good enough, then she's not the one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:04 PM
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Would that also mean that the majority of social sciences (that are often quoted here) should be rejected since there is a reproducibility crisis in that field?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 08:57 AM
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It proves that men and women aren't interchangeable blank slates when it comes to dating. It also proves that the need for equality ceases to be a concern when the male burden of initiation is shifted to the other side, making women who vouch for equality but simultaneously refuse to make the first move in dating look rather hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 10:43 AM
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Why is secular marriage a requirement for commitment nowadays? in the last half century, it has been reduced to an expensive and empty gesture, especially with current laws. I'm perfectly fine with being together in a monogamous relationship and starting a family if it works out well. Unless there is a religious argument, I don't see how a contract with the government is magically going to seal the deal. The huge emphasis on marriage only makes me think the other person cares more about a weddin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:57 AM
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Duluth model enters the chat
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 09:38 AM
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"Not fat, no other man's kids, long hair, wears dresses, not disagreeable" would be a common set of preferences. I guess it could be regarded as a type, but (correct me if I'm wrong) I think the intention of your initial question is more about specific niches instead of more common preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 10:17 AM
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Imagine the pushback a guy will receive from society if he occasionally feels like not paying her bills, doing chores, or spending time with her, versus the pushback she will receive from society if she refuses to have sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 09:01 AM
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I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a reciprocation of efforts. She's free not to reciprocate, but in return, he's right to lose interest and look for someone who does desire him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:32 AM
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There's a huge emphasis on giving a pass to women who don't feel like having sex when their husbands want to, which is more than fair since bodily autonomy is important. But on the same note, men who don't feel like paying her bills, doing chores, or cater to her emotional needs should also get the occasional pass. Right now, these men are told that it's part of "being an adult" and that they should "man up". At the end of the day it's still a two-way street. It's ridiculous to not only ignore y…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 05:58 PM
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Everyone has their own love language. Not expressing your partner's preferred love language to them will simply lead to them not feeling loved. For example: if you feel loved by your partner if they talk to you or spend quality time with you, it wouldn't feel great if they stopped doing that. Long term "neglect" will damage the relationship. In that sense, talking and spending time could be regarded as an emotional "need" to maintain the romantic relationship. Sex and physical intimacy is just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 03:27 PM
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Testing the mother will not mitigate the last two points I addressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:50 PM
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Despite fathers being right to crave the same assurance as the mother, they're better off deceiving the mother if she's going to interpret it as an accusation of infidelity. Besides ruling out infidelity and consequently ensuring they're not going to waste lots of time and money on another man's child, other reasons for paternity testing include: Detect accidental or intentional switching of babies at the hospital Ensure potential blood or organ donor status between father and child Screening fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 09:00 AM
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I'm still waiting for a guy to do his workout in the gym only wearing a speedo, only to "stretch" in weird positions and yell at women who dare looking his way for a split second.
/r/MensRights01/05/24 04:58 PM
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The latter. In any conflict, the assumption will be made that the man is the aggressor and the women is the victim. If she did use violence, it is assumed to be an act of self-defense.
/r/MensRights01/05/24 11:19 AM
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Call it death by a thousand cuts. For me it was just an accumulation of realizations. There are many double standards and constant goalposts are constantly shifted: Whenever there's a difference in outcome that mostly benefits women, it's called empowerment and isn't treated like a gap that needs to be closed when it benefits men. Feminists never advocate for equal representation in physically demanding blue collar jobs and only go for prestigious white collar jobs. Women want their BF's/husband…
/r/MensRights30/04/24 11:16 PM
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Take what people say with a grain of salt and try to look at what people do. Actions speak louder than words.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 12:16 PM
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Soft guy era is just a clever way for men to hold women to the same egalitarian standard. Women who push back only prove that they prefer traditional roles over equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:15 PM
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Looks/money/status is how a man gets his foot in the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 11:03 AM
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RP in one sentence: Guys comparing notes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 11:02 AM
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Before internet, social media, and dating apps existed, the dating pool was relatively small. Now, due to the massive size of the dating pool, people are spoiled for choice and will always wonder if they could've gotten with someone better. Religion and social control also used to be more prevalent. The dating market was effectively regulated by pressuring people into monogamy, while polygyny (few men getting most of the women) was discouraged. The genie is pretty much out of the bottle. It's un…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 10:53 AM
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I'd like to know if the bar for what passes as misandry is set as low as the bar for what passes as misogyny, otherwise this conclusion is just apples and oranges.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:54 PM
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Libertarian or independent. Nothing to lose.
/r/MensRights25/04/24 12:23 PM
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That's why it is better to adopt a division of labor based on opportunity costs and comparative advantages. Let people perform the tasks they are better at.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 02:30 PM
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"Hours worked" is a terrible metric to compare contributions. What tasks get completed or how much money is earned at the end of the line is what matters. One would almost make a case for a division of labor based on opportunity costs and comparative advantages to increase efficiency.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 08:54 AM
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I assume if she’s not contributing as much as you to bills then that’s because she’s a SAHM which is a job itself I literally said that everything else is split 50/50. Stop making stuff up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 08:35 AM
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Four options to get on par: I also get myself in the position of earning more I take on the majority of household tasks so she can spend her time working (she is able to trade more money for one hour of time) She gets to keep the surplus to herself instead of forwarding it to the household She cuts her work hours
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 08:30 AM
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Because it has been made clear that we strife for a 50/50 split in contributions, which includes financial ones. Bills are paid with dollars, not time. Her earned dollars are not worth more than mine, so we must chip in the same amount. That's the double-edged sword called "equality". If you don't like equality, make sure to find a partner who is willing to pull your half of the weight. Expecting the other person to do more than their half is entitlement. fair Since fairness is subjective, it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 11:34 PM
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I'm fine with 50/50 on the condition that all other chores and contributions are 50/50 as well. That includes paying the bills. If I have to pay more than half of the bills, don't expect me to do half of the chores.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 10:12 PM
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It's funny how the 50/50 contributions concept is thrown out the window as soon as bills need to be paid. Her money is not worth more than mine. If a person is not going to pay their half of the bills, they should not expect me to do my half of the chores.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 10:02 PM
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"Instead of only accepting 9s and 10s, I also accept 8s from now on" is what it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:11 PM
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I'm sure the other person wouldn't mind having their weight pulled for them. Personally, I would eventually start feeling taken advantage of if that favor doesn't get returned. I wouldn't mind a division of labor based on opportunity costs where people take on tasks they excel at. This system is more efficient than a 50/50 split in everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:08 PM
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It's about equality, not equity. You're not entitled to another person pulling your half of the weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 05:52 PM
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The nicer things we have due to his money are nice, but not necessary Since you also benefit from his money, it's a contribution. Whether it's a basic necessity or a luxury good is irrelevant. Plus, I do pull my weight by commited most of my time, money and dedication to him, our life together, our child, our future Assuming he does exactly the same, how is that relevant when comparing contributions? A relationship is not an economic transaction. Would you still think that if he quits his job, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 05:45 PM
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If two paychecks are different, equal percentages will not result in equal amounts of dollars. If two hourly wages are different, equal hours worked will also not result in equal amounts of dollars. Since bills are paid with dollars, and not with hours or percentages, it is ridiculous to use anything else than dollars as a measurement for contributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:53 PM
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to live with someone and share the burden of a household The point is that this burden is not shared equally. Someone else is pulling your weight. It's fine if your SO wants to do that, but that doesn't mean the contributions are equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 01:52 PM
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The only way to measure contributions or production is in $$$, not in hours worked, not in percentages of paychecks. Equality is a double-edged sword, not an excuse to refuse accountability. "He earns 100k, I earn 40k. But we both work 40 hours and we chip in an equal percentage of our paycheck, so technically our financial contributions are equal" is an example I often hear when people who pay fewer bills try to twist it into equal contributions. The only way to split a $100 bill in equal halve…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 01:37 PM
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Emotional labor is just an arbitrary equalizer for whoever contributes the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 01:15 PM
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Yeah that one.
/r/MensRights18/04/24 09:38 AM
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The fact that it is treated as empowerment and not some kind of gap that needs to be closed says enough about the goals of feminism.
/r/MensRights18/04/24 09:36 AM
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In my country, some student fraternity members published a list of women who are "easy" to sleep with. These guys were under huge scrutiny and eventually charged with slander. The fact that something like AWDTSG gets thrown out sickens me.
/r/MensRights18/04/24 07:16 AM
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RP is pretty much guys comparing notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:11 PM
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Increments of 50 weeks. The prizes were pretty random, but nothing too fancy or expensive. I once got a coffee maker.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:05 PM
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In our friend group, we used to give each other consolation prizes for certain dry spell milestones. There wasn't much to discuss, it is what it is. The least we could do is trying to talk about more fun things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 08:53 PM
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The average might be higher, but the median doesn't need to be. That's simple statistics. If a distribution is non-linear, an average looking 'middle of the bell curve' dude will have a below average body count.
/r/MensRights15/04/24 04:24 PM
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Because it's easier to make people feel better than telling an uncomfortable truth and risking a confrontation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 07:49 AM
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Unless there's a 9 or 10 guy, the approaching will be done by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:01 PM
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That's why I don't intend to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 07:26 PM
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Regardless of how unrealistic the scenario seems, it seems fair to me. She worked for the money, so it's up to her how to spend it. I'm not entitled to her money. If I want to join her, it's up to me to work for it. In return, I expect her to not ask me to pay for her stuff if I happen to earn more at a later stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 03:01 PM
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Prostitution is prohibited in Clark County. That's why all the bunny ranches are located between LV and Reno.
/r/MensRights11/04/24 07:40 PM
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It's manipulative to deliberately leave out key details when formulating an argument. Her claim is easily disproven by writing down and summing up all financial contributions per person. On a different note, why do people have kids they can't afford? It's one thing if another person offers to pay, but she should realize that she's not entitled to that.
/r/MensRights10/04/24 03:07 PM
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Probably because they work more, not because they take that money from their exes. The majority of alimony recipients (97% in the US) are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 05:24 PM
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Do you have insurance in case your house burns down? Do you put on a seat belt if you drive your car? I'm sure you'll try to stay out of trouble as much as you can. It's about minimizing risk in case something happens beyond your control, nothing more. Given that divorce is a lucrative business for wives and family court lawyers, I wouldn't risk it. I've seen one too many guys having their lives ruined over a divorce. I wouldn't be surprised if none of those men thought it would end that way whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 09:52 AM
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Fair enough, but I regard all the "unless you're a 10" situations as exceptions to the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 04:53 PM
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Being a leader means to have the authority to make large scale decisions and to be responsible for those decisions in order to achieve a certain goal. There is an implied hierarchy, but this only applies to decision making and should not be mistaken for one individual inherently being more valuable than another. The goal itself can be formulated by all the people that are involved. You can compare the dynamic to an actual ship. The captain of the ship is the leader, they delegate smaller scale t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 04:51 PM
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Non-verbal communication that indicates genuine interest and not just politeness. Think about prolonged eye contact, facing the guy, staying near him, laugh at his terrible jokes, playing with her hair, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 03:40 PM
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The closest thing to a first move for a woman is her paving the way for a guy she's genuinely interested in trough choosing signals. No matter what, a guy will always have to react to those signals and do the approaching, otherwise it's simply not going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 01:00 PM
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Bumble applies that idea, and it's still a shitshow.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 09:12 AM
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Approaching and dating is like pulling teeth most of the time. That's why I asked if OP did experience one of those "smooth" encounters at least once. It could be entirely possible that it never occurred, and that the most amount of interest he got (and uses as a reference) wasn't genuine at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:50 PM
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Could it be possible that you haven't experienced genuine desire? I don't mean lowkey interest or attention seeking, but more like her paving the way for you with choosing signals. That's what the "if you know, you know" thing means.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:50 PM
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It's nothing more than taking off the blindfold from a man who's heading for the slaughterhouse.
/r/MensRights04/04/24 09:15 PM
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She'll want everything from the top tier man, including a relationship. Since it is less likely that she'll get commitment from a man with plenty of options, she has two options: Sweeten the deal by offering casual sex first. Settle for an average guy who is more willing to give commitment because he has fewer options.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:44 PM
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Most men who find RP didn't get there because the standard blue pill stuff worked for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:11 PM
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When they say equality, they don't mean equal opportunities but equality of outcome.
/r/MensRights01/04/24 03:50 PM
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MGTOW is already a thing and it's under huge scrutiny.
/r/MensRights01/04/24 03:43 PM
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even if she started it the cops would probably take you in That's the Duluth model: Men are automatically assumed to be the perpetrators.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 01:17 AM
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Because men are not the same as women. If you wanted an echo chamber answer, post it in 2X. Different ends can have different means. Men can separate different qualities for different purposes. Her being deemed unfit for a long term relationship doesn't automatically disqualify her from being suitable for anything short-term. A woman being attractive is pretty much the only requirement for a guy to be willing to sleep with her. If she's also nice and not a pain in the ass to have around, he migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:33 PM
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Low value refers to their value as a partner for long-term commitment. For hook-ups, only short-term pleasure matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:31 PM
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Both statements in your title can be true if the divorce rate has been above 50% for the past 50 years. The definition of divorce rate seems conflicting. At one point it is defined as the percentage of marriages that end in divorce, while at another point it is defined as number of divorces per capita. Apples and oranges. The actual number of divorces decreased over time, but that number is meaningless if you don't know the number of marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 06:37 PM
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Calling a guy insecure means: Invalidating his boundaries Deflecting a double standard (no one would act the same of the sexes were reversed)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 12:16 PM
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Deregulation of the dating market, anything goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:45 PM
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Only if the goal is to find a top tier partner, it makes sense to be top tier yourself. It's a bit insulting to go the extra mile and jump all the hoops just to gain access to some mid girl whose only efforts were showing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 08:59 AM
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It's a shame that taxation will force wealth distribution from men to women.
/r/MensRights21/03/24 08:47 PM
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Two reasons: Scarcity: Beggars can't be choosers. Lower standards. Autism has a bigger negative impact on the things that make men attractive to women, while it doesn't have as much of a negative impact on the things that make women attractive to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:16 PM
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Not pursuing efficiency/productivity means that time is being sacrificed. Studying for a degree is an investment in efficiency that would be justified if it increases the amount of money one trades for an hour of their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:08 PM
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Since people have different qualities, the most effective way to divide labor is to assign tasks based on opportunity costs. If a guy is able to earn more money for one hour of work, it makes sense for him to focus more of his time on earning the household income. If the woman is able to do housework more efficiently, it makes sense to let her focus more on that. If they would split every task in two equal halves or switch tasks altogether, the efficiency would drop significantly. That being sai…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:29 PM
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Would you expect a guy to pay more than 50% of the bills because your individual choices resulted in you getting paid less than him? If you do, it means that he's burdened by the consequences of your choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:01 PM
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I agree it could be an honest mistake. If that's the case, it's a persons own responsibility to make it up and ensure that it doesn't burden their partner. I would argue that it does become malicious once that person chooses not to do that and encumber their partner by letting them pay more bills. If that's unfair, and you think the other person should step up and pay more just because they can, be prepared to hold the other person to the same standard and excuse their incompetence around housew…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 06:43 PM
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An example of weaponized incompetence when it comes to contributing to the household income: someone (usually a woman) decides to go in debt for a worthless degree, work a part-time minimum wage job, and then lets the other person who made better choices pay the majority of the bills, maybe even pay off their debt.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:33 AM
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Standards for getting laid are low. Beggars can't be choosers. Standards for long term commitment are high. It's better to be alone than in bad company.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:57 PM
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Just date and have your fun. Move on if it's clear that you're only BB to her instead of AF. Be prepared that someone who wants you for you might not ever cross your path at all. It's better to be alone than in bad company. Don't settle down or get married to a person who's settling for you. If you're only as good as the things you can provide, she's not the one. If she's desperate to be more than a perpetual girlfriend, she has to prove herself to you in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 02:13 PM
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I thought they wanted equality? It's funny how most are no longer interested once they find out it's a double-edged sword.
/r/MensRights15/03/24 06:39 PM
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Collective punishment and discrimination
/r/MensRights14/03/24 11:41 PM
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People are allowed to have preferences. If her experience is a predictor for unwanted behavior that he doesn't want to deal with, he's right to reject her. I'm not entirely sure if experience is something you can compare because different rules apply to men and women when it comes to gaining experience. Typically, women only have to show up while men have to actively work for it. The examples you described are the same for both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 07:22 PM
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My current LTR is the best one I've had. When my GF and I were dating for a couple of weeks, she literally said the quiet part out loud about her being attracted to and obsessed with me because I was relatively aloof compared to her clingy ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 11:19 PM
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The welfare state
/r/MensRights07/03/24 06:45 PM
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Sometimes, I think about that picture of a studio apartment with only a TV on the ground and a folding chair in front of it, followed by some woman being fascinated how men can be perfectly content with the bare minimum. Unless women are fine with living a minimalistic life, they might want to consider motivating men to share their wealth with them a bit more. It's becoming more clear that when men are left to their own devices, they'll be in for a treat. Men will be perfectly fine with turning …
/r/MensRights07/03/24 04:13 PM
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No way. I don't believe that removing autonomy will result in more happiness or genuine desire. Arranged marriages are extremely pragmatic and might solve some of the problems you've described, but they will cause other worse problems in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 02:21 PM
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Let's say your boss gives you and a colleague identical tasks. You complete the task in 1 hour, your colleague does it in 2 hours. Does that mean your colleague must be paid twice as much as you? Do you see how useless 'hours worked' is to measure production?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:34 PM
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Like I said, if a guy is expected to do 50% of housework and childcare, he's right to expect the mother to make up her 50% contribution to the household income. Her salary doesn't matter, only her contribution does. Bills are paid with dollars. People are free to not prefer equal contributions. It would suit them if they were honest about not wanting to pull their half of the weight and stopped advocating for equality when it's obviously not that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:22 PM
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As far as I know, bills are paid with $$, not %%. You do you, just don't call it equality when you mean equity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:06 PM
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says who? lol The dictionary? If we both toss in $10 in the pot, then our contributions to the $20 total are by definition equal because 20*0.50=10 I say it's equal % of salary So by your definition, if a person decides to cut their work hours, paycheck, and with that their financial contribution in half, they can rightfully claim their contributions are still equal to those who still work full time because the percentage remains unchanged. They can even claim that after quitting their job becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 09:44 PM
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bills should be a % of each salary No, equality means that contributions should be 50/50. His dollar is worth the same as her dollar. Anything more than that can not be taken for granted and should be compensated under normal circumstances. Treating equality like a buffet where you opportunistically pick and choose whatever's convenient makes you a hypocrite. If you want the other person to contribute more financially, either be prepared to compensate or say you want equity (equal outcomes regar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 09:13 PM
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Sure, as long as you can realistically assess and quantify that labor. I have some ideas to equalize these asymmetrical circumstances: Let the father compensate for his lack of childbearing with the equally magical commodity called "emotional labor". Force the father to also stay at home so he doesn't have the unfair advantage of being able to earn an income while the mother is unavailable. Let the father continue working. Count the unpaid work hours she missed due to maternity leave, then multi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 07:37 PM
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Nor shouldn't women dismiss the idea that an unequal distribution of paying the bills contributes to men feeling taken advantage of when they are still expected to do half of the housework and childcare.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 06:36 PM
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If you want to be together, just be together. It's not like a ring or a signature is magically going to guarantee a successful relationship. With no-fault divorce, marriage has become an empty gesture with all the risks and zero benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 05:18 PM
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A combination of social media, secularism, feminism, and globalization has turned the average dating pool to a size where people are spoiled for choice and will never be satisfied. The cat is out of the bag. The only way to come out ahead is to not participate, or come up with a game plan. 95% of guys can no longer afford to "go with the flow" and hope for the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 08:21 PM
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Its funny how on paper reddit women will prefer this type of approach In case you haven't noticed, there's an inconsistency between what they say and what they do, so take it with a grain of salt. People often virtue signal and say the correct thing when no one is going to put it to the test and hold them accountable. The part that isn't said out loud is that with a that type of approach, there's only a small window between too soon and too late. The size of that window depends on how attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 04:00 PM
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focus on money/status/career There you go. Chase excellence first, the rest is an afterthought. Do whatever hobbies or activities you want to do with your money and time that will make you interesting as a person. If you're planning on spending money directly on girls and cars, you're better off renting. Ownership is not worth it. Don't get married and don't cohabitate in common law marriage states. Lawyer up and set up some agreement that ensures that what's yours remains yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 03:31 PM
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Move to a more rural and quiet town where people form actual social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 01:58 PM
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Pointing out an exception proves nothing about the rule. Besides, Mutabazi is a foster parent. The only point you prove is that having one parent is better than having no parents, which doesn't adress my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 11:13 PM
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Deflecting accountability and dismissing the gym owner's authority in his own business with an "are you pointing at me?" is peak main character syndrome.
/r/MensRights24/02/24 01:19 PM
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I wasn't aware that dates were taken from people and redistributed to those who can't get any.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 09:32 AM
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It's up to the individual. Procreating might not be essential for the survival of the individual when they already exist, but it is essential for the survival of our species. So I'm not surprised the impulse that allowed our species to exist to this day is fundamentally hardwired in most of our brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 07:44 AM
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It's a dishonest take to disregard the nuance where some needs can be more fundamental and essential than others. Need for intimacy not being a basic survival need doesn't mean that neglecting them has zero impact on a person's happiness. With your logic, nothing aside from surviving should matter to you because your only goal is not to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 06:47 AM
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Some people here think that Maslow's take doesn't count. Anyway. he recognizes in the hierarchy of needs that psychological needs aren't as important as basic needs like food, clothing, and shelter. That being said, they are still needs and must be satisfied in order to reach levels of self-actualization.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 06:41 AM
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They also need men to stay and keep everything running, pay taxes, etc.
/r/MensRights18/02/24 05:32 PM
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Objectively, that guy would be a hypocrite for breaking his rule. It’s impossible to be formulaic and rigid with each interaction because different people make you feel different things. The function of rules is to let people know what to expect. If rules can't be enforced, maybe they shouldn't be presented in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:28 PM
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Then what's the point of women as individuals presenting their set of rules in the first place? You can't expect a man to not hold a women accountable to a set of rules she presented herself. Rules create expectations. If they can't be enforced, they shouldn't exist. The most honest answer to a question like "What are your dating preferences?" should be: "I don't know".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:20 PM
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OP is obviously not undermining the individual by referring to some non-existent general set of rules, he's listing common examples. However, that doesn't mean that there are individual rules that are more common than others. OP refers to the inconsistencies within a set of rules of an individual woman. Individual women present their dating preferences or boundaries as a set of "rules" that they live by, just like morals and values. People don't have a problem when being presented with such a se…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:04 PM
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Replace "...anymore" with "...with you" in my head and hard pass. Dime to a dollar, she'll drop the act once the right guy comes around, and I'm not okay with having to follow rules that others get to break.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 10:39 AM
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If inclusive and open-minded comes with the condition that you must agree with them and can't form an opinion on your own or try to find any nuance, it is in fact not inclusive nor open-minded. You can really hear the hamster wheel spinning when the 'paradox of tolerance' comes out. The fact that they are willing to preemptively use the most authoritarian methods to control another person while calling themselves liberal only proves that they are hypocrites, nothing more.
/r/MensRights14/02/24 01:05 PM
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to allow the party receiving it to continue their lifestyle while they transition to a new unmarried state By that logic, it seems just as reasonable to demand an ex to clean your house and have sex with you because "that's the way it used to be".
/r/MensRights13/02/24 08:04 AM
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There's also a middle ground where guys who were genuinely being nice end up being used all the time and grow tired of it. To me it seems like normal healthy behavior that such guys set boundaries and expectations to protect themselves against being exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 09:24 PM
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Having sex doesn't make a person better or worse. Sex doesn't show, add or take away from your value as a human being Maybe not in an intrinsic way, but definitely in a subjective way. Like OP more or less said: the use of "virgin" or "incel" as insults towards men proves that access to sex (partially) determines their status.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 09:16 PM
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I'd rather go to jail than fight for my country in some proxy war. Unless the enemy is at my doorstep, I can't be bothered.
/r/MensRights10/02/24 11:53 PM
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I study at a technical university, 70% of students are young adult men. Every time there is some internal or external media event, the PR team makes sure to only select women, minorities and LGBTQ folks to be in the spotlight. At this point it is obvious the demographics are skewed, but no one seems to care.
/r/MensRights10/02/24 11:39 AM
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Different rules for different people. Remember, whenever she says "I don't do that" just add "...with you" to that and it will make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:07 PM
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I think it's borderline child abuse to deliberately bring a kid into this world, knowing they will grow up with only one parent. There are countless studies that suggest that children from single parent families have a higher chance of developing issues and are generally worse off in many ways compared to children who grew up with both parents. Given that you probably want the best outcome for your children, it makes sense to create the best circumstances for them. If you're eager to start a fam…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 10:18 AM
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Because a good portion of people who say they're into poly are posers who just want to have their cake and eat it too. I've heard one too many times about people dragging their partner who's too afraid to say no into it, and use it as an excuse for infidelity without risking to lose the benefits of a monogamous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 09:23 PM
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I'm sure they do every now and then but that's not my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:32 PM
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Play the numbers game with cold approaching, increase your odds by improving yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:28 PM
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I know that the two terms are used interchangeably, but there's a difference between a statistical average and a statistical median. When there is no linear but a pareto distribution, the average value will always be higher than the median value. I think it seems fair to assume that OP is talking about the experiences of "middle of the attraction bell curve" men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:12 PM
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There's a huge difference between having the alleged father take a test, and having the entire male population take a preventive test.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:32 AM
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Imagine if you got wrongly convicted for murder, you prove your innocence, but you can't get released from prison because the real murderer hasn't been found yet. The goal of paternity testing is to prevent the wrong guy from being held financially responsible, that's it. Forcing not just the suspected men, but ALL men to enter their DNA in a database without their consent is a serious violation of individual freedom. After a guy proves he's not the father, it's simply no longer his problem. At …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 11:53 PM
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Make pp feel good Masturbation could solve that. However, only a real woman organically desiring you and considering you a worthy partner because of who you are could make you feel sexually validated.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 05:18 PM
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It's a misdiagnosis, followed by an equally opposite action that ends up swinging the pendulum instead of stopping it in the middle.
/r/MensRights31/01/24 10:15 AM
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Given that survival is the ultimate goal, it outweighs the potential disadvantage of the woman becoming the mans victim. When you're encumbered with childbearing or childcare, it is valuable when the person who's there to provide and protect is capable of violence. Since men do not carry around children and don't rely on women for provision and protection, there's no benefit in her being capable of violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 01:01 PM
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So if the other person always takes it easy and you end up completing twice the amount of tasks every day, you wouldn't eventually feel taken advantage of?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 04:36 PM
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equity is the goal Long term, I seriously doubt that people will not get resentful when they're expected to pull the majority of the weight all the time. If you don't actively make an effort to make contributions more equal, you're taking advantage of the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 04:30 PM
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Why would your spouse do that though? Because of incentives, which are fundamental in this kind of dynamic. It has been made clear that 'hours worked' is what counts here. If there's no reward for completing a task, and instead you get to do another task, there's no reason to work more efficient than the other person. It's the same when in a workplace context, person A gets paid to complete a task, while person B gets paid by the hour. I can guarantee you that person B would put in less effort t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 10:25 AM
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No, you're thinking of equity (equal outcomes regardless of efforts) I'm making a case for equal contributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 10:06 AM
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You're talking about equity. (equal outcomes regardless of efforts)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 10:00 AM
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You're mistaking it for equity. Equal hours worked = equality of outcome = equity People are different, so one hour of anyone's time also yields different results. Let's say your boss gives you and your colleague identical separate tasks. Now you complete the task in 1 hour, and your colleague completes the task in 2 hours, would that mean that you colleague produced twice as much and deserves to get twice as much salary?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 09:59 AM
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If hours worked is your way to measure contributions, then what stops a person from taking an entire day to complete a task? Let's say your boss asks both you and your colleague to perform the same task separately, and you complete it in half the time, would that mean that the other person is twice as productive because they spent twice as much time on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 10:27 PM
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Not an unexpected outcome when equality is pushed down everyone's throats. Funny how people seem to ditch the concept the second it's no longer beneficial to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 10:23 PM
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tit for tat game Well that's equality, which seems to be the name of the game for the past decades. The second people realize that it's a double-edged sword, it's suddenly not that great anymore. Personally, I wouldn't mind pulling more weight, but it has been made quite clear that equality matters most these days. Not accusing you of anything, but if a person ditches equality the second it no longer benefits them and expects me to pull the majority of the weight, I would feel taken advantage of…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 10:21 PM
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It might not be fair for the person who earns less, but it is more equal and equality matters in the end. It's also not fair to demand equal outcomes and expect the other person who worked hard to earn a degree and/or promotions to pull more weight just because you didn't make the right choices in life. It's fine if you don't believe in equal contributions and rather let the other person pull the majority of the weight, at least be honest about that. You could also try to make the same choices t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 10:18 PM
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Regardless of hours worked, if contributions to the household income are 50/50, then other household tasks are also divided 50/50. If one person earns more, the other person should do more other tasks to compensate for the deficit in income contribution. The division of all roles/tasks (including those other household tasks) should be according to who has a comparative advantage to maximize efficiency. If I'm a good cook and she is a good cleaner, it would make sense that I cook and she cleans, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 09:13 PM
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Run for the hills and don't look back. If you play along, your life is pretty much over.
/r/MensRights23/01/24 03:09 PM
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You're hitting the nail on the head. Men compose the majority of the force that drives our economy and ultimately society. If those men are no longer motivated to dedicate their lives to society, it will decline. The cracks are already starting to show. Economist Aaron Clarey studied the labor statistics and wrote a book on this topic
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 11:11 AM
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Different rules for different people. Every woman has her price. The discount you get depends on how much she likes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 12:31 PM
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Women are emancipated and perfectly able to pay their half. Treating equality like a buffet where you opportunistically pick and choose makes you a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 12:18 PM
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Different rules for different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 11:39 PM
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Its about increasing your chances. However, there are no guarantees. If you think it's not worth it, you're free to spend your time and effort differently. The real reason you invest in yourself now is because delayed gratification and exponential growth will result in higher yields later on. Even if no worthy women show up in your 30s, you'll still have your health and finances in order so you can live a life free of trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 03:24 PM
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Demanding a 50/50 split on household chores, but contributing less than 50% to the household income means that objectively, the other person pulls more weight overall. Equality is a double-edged sword. If the goal is to have an overall 50/50 split in contributions, it means that the person who contributes less to the household income should compensate elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:57 AM
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There's nothing impressive about a person pulling 50% of the overall weight in a household of two. What that 50% consists of is irrelevant. I'd start being impressed when someone pulls more than 50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 10:13 PM
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It seems like that's what it comes down to. It's a reason why I sympathize with MGTOW people who don't want to contribute to a society without reciprocation. On the bright side, there are places in the world where you can 'go Galt' and be left alone or find comradery with people who are more like-minded. There is some work to find the right place and get yourself in that situation, but at least there is something to occupy yourself with and work towards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 02:24 PM
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Not being able to reproduce and not being considered a suitable partner stings from an evolutionary perspective, as it is your biological duty to do so. However, I think that happiness is not some goal behind a finish line, but rather a continuous process. Since there are other meaningful things in life, it's better to focus on that and deal with sexual/romantic validation later. If you're that eager to get laid, it's better to pay for it for the time being. Historically, many of the men who did…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 01:16 PM
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Romantic encounters are transactional. Also, you have to understand that most people ask this question reactively, not proactively. If someone states their list of requirements in a dating context, a negotiation is already implied and people are right to ask those questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 10:20 PM
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Body positivity is intended for things people don't have any control over. Instead, people highjack the movement to excuse their lack of self-discipline, which for 99% of the cases is something a person has control over. Also, the lack of body positivity towards men indicates dishonesty about the intentions of the movement, which makes it look rather sexist. You're free to be fat and lazy, but you're delusional if you think you can shame men into an erection. Calling men who prefer thin women fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 05:53 PM
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You're gonna like r/menkampf
/r/MensRights05/01/24 10:33 AM
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Long term, do you think you would eventually develop contempt for your partner if he wants to have sex too often, or would you happily comply increasing the frequency because you know how much it means to him and the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 11:50 PM
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That would be neglect, not necessarily with bad intentions, but still neglect. It's sad, but there's no such thing as negotiating arousal and attraction. In a relationship, both parties involved have certain needs and expectations in order to make it work. It takes two to tango. If one person ignores the other person's intimacy needs (which can only be taken care of by the person they are sexually exclusive with in OP's context) and it causes the other person to become unhappy, they will eventua…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 11:44 PM
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It's been made quite clear that nobody is entitled to being loved.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 11:41 AM
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Describing any form of romantic relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 10:57 AM
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27M 8, 9, 4, 5, 6, 7, 1, 2, 3
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 01:18 AM
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If experience is important, then yes. Since inexperience in men is generally seen as a red flag or ick, I could see why late bloomers who were told to wait their turn prefer to date younger. Keep in mind that it's not a solution, but a trade-off. Age gap relationships come with their own set of challenges. It's up to the individual to assess whether it is worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 01:08 AM
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r/menkampf
/r/MensRights22/12/23 03:41 PM
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It's tone deaf to ask this directly, but it seems more than fair to ask this kind of question in return when you're the one being interrogated.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 11:48 PM
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woman are providing This is meaningless if you don't know how much a woman provides compared to the guy. Anyone could throw in $1 and claim that they are providing. If the other person provides more than you but you share a household, you're technically being provided for. men still seem to think their doing the bulk of the work The only way to measure this is to look at how much money the average man contributes to the household vs how much money the average woman contributes. When looking at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:33 PM
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not as frowned upon as I'm not saying people wouldn't look down upon that. I'm saying that one situation isn't looked down upon as much as the other. It's a comparison, not a denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:37 PM
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Most men also do both. It's pointless to discuss individual cases and exceptions. My point is about one gender having an advantage for certain roles and a disadvantage for other roles. Men are generally better in providing, while women are generally better at caregiving. The overarching statement would be: one gender is more likely to file for divorce when they are suddenly expected to fulfill a role that doesn't suit them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:28 PM
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Ex : Should she leave now that he can't work and provide for her ? That is not uncommon and not as frowned upon as a man leaving a woman who doesn't satisfy his needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:27 PM
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This resonates with the notion that women are less likely to want to be providers, which explains how women are more likely to file for divorce after their husbands get fired from their jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:24 PM
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When young people use slurs as "virgin" and "incel", it's a form of social ostracization. People don't want to feel left out, so they're desperate to not be classified as such. In dating, being a virgin or on a dry spell is also seen as an ick or red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:50 PM
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Having this abundance of options exposes the reality that you never really wanted to commit in the first place, which is fine. Many people choose to commit because of their lack of options. However, scarcity is simply not a good reason to commit. It will cause problems down the road guaranteed. Choosing an option because it's the only option out there doesn't automatically make it a good option. In a relative sense it might be the "best" option for you at that moment, but that doesn't say anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:06 PM
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So if this is common for guys as well, then how come they resent it from women, if we are all doing it, so to speak? How can you know how many people engage in such hypocritical behavior? You can't hold that assumption against every man, or else you'd be arguing in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:57 PM
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At that point, the ball is in her court to convince me with her actions. If she shows genuine desire, I might play along.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 02:13 PM
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The works of Aaron Clarey (podcasts/books/courses) offer guidance that lots of young men could benefit from.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 08:12 PM
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There's a huge shortage of tradesmen, they can earn the big bucks if their work is in high demand. Becoming a tradesman doesn't require a fancy degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:52 PM
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Why does everyone think that if you’re young and/or virginal, you’re automatically a good person?? I didn't say that. It has nothing to do with being an inherently good or bad person. Neither am I taking the potential downsides of dating younger taken into account. All I claimed was the notion of an increased chance of the development of emotional/psychological baggage over time. I also said that it's a rule of thumb, which could be subject to exceptions. What you're referring to is an exception…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:13 PM
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Emotional and psychological baggage correlates with age. It's a rule of thumb. There will always be exceptions. Since our time is limited, we increase our chances of making our lives easier and avoiding that baggage by dating younger. It's not the ultimate solution, but it is a favorable trade-off.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 01:28 AM
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Become an accountant. QuickBooks offers affordable certification and employment programs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 03:47 PM
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At the same time they Say that women are not interested on men's bodies, but on status and money No, RP states that in contrast to men, who mostly care about women's looks, women are not as much interested in men's looks because money and status also plays a role. They are not mutually exclusive, the equation is just different. Downplaying a factor is not the same as dismissing a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:52 PM
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inb4 people disqualifying every argument on this sub based on the questionable results of a terribly conducted survey.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 11:02 AM
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You can't control what other people do, but you can call people out on bad debating etiquette. There's always the opportunity here to lead with your own argument. If people are not here to listen to the exchange of ideas, it's their loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 11:52 PM
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N = 296 on a 124k member sub seems like a small sample size if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 11:31 PM
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N = 296 on a 124k member sub is too low of a sample size to draw significant conclusions from. How long was the survey out there? I was unaware of it. I'm definitely reading this sub in a different light now. It's rather bigoted to disqualify individuals based on collective results, you would not be debating in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 11:29 PM
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Here's the thing: men want to feel desired sexually. Why would men get in a long term relationship with someone who doesn't desire them sexually? It's kind of insulting for men to be told that on her end there's no genuine desire, which would manifest in casual sex, but that he's still useful enough for a long term relationship. This is why duty sex and eventually dead bedrooms are a thing. There's no genuine desire, just transactions. What baffles me is the fact that people tell the guy that he…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:04 PM
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As long as it's legal, pay the money you would spend on dating on a professional instead. I know it will not be emotionally validating as being considered a suitable partner organically, but it's a way to get it done if you really need to. lacks the intellect/competency to increase his financial status It's not rocket science to do in-demand work and spend less than you make. There's plenty of blue collar work in trades you don't need a fancy degree for.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 10:10 AM
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There's a gap between coming on strong and being too passive. The size of that gap depends on how much she's into you. It also dictates how much you can get away with. If she's really into you, there's little chance of coming on strong while being forward with your intentions. It makes me think of an analogy I've heard, which states that all women have a price, and her discount on that price for you depends on her attraction/arousal. If she says something like: "I don't do that kind of stuff", j…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:00 PM
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If it was not the case, men would feel a lot more honored by being called "boyfriend/husband material" instead of genuinely being lusted after.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 08:21 PM
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When women are asked what they bring to the table, it's usually a response to her own list of requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:44 AM
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I don't know why she would be concerned with possibly paying for a kid that isn't hers because that's the reason why men typically ask for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:36 AM
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Lifestyle, sexual overtness, impulsivity, number of partners per unit of time, etc. Some signs are more obvious than others and some take more time and attention to be noticed than others. If you know a person for a longer time, there's more data. Because human behavior is generally more predicable than erratic, people also tend to use past experiences of themselves and others as a reference. It's similar to how "icks" (subjective indicators of undesirable traits) are seen as valid grounds for s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:31 PM
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Nobody knows for sure, but let's not pretend that we can't make accurate predictions by extrapolating behavioral cues, especially when you've known her for a longer time. One and one is probably two. Also, the guy wouldn't wonder that in the first place if he feels desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:43 PM
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The "magic" number (to get your foot in the door) is the lowest occurring one. It's about men wanting to feel desired and not wanting to be held to different standards in a negative way. If he has to follow rules that other guys get to break, he's being held to a different standard. If you put out on the first date for one guy, and withhold for the other guy, that other guy will see it as a lack of sexual desire. Men don't want to date women who don't sexually desire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:32 PM
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So anything Lizzo does
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 01:33 AM
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Being loud, being fat, acting masculine, phone glued to her face, in constant need of being entertained.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 01:30 AM
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His brain is hardwired to spread his seed. Access to sex validates that mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 10:37 PM
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"Guys, the emperor has no clothes."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 11:06 AM
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To be fair, they were told to "wait patiently and that their time would come" back when they were younger. When eventually nothing happens, I can see why they tend to get stuck in the past. There is also a compatibility aspect to it. Inexperienced women are less likely to judge and disqualify them for their lack of experience. Since younger women are less likely to be experienced, I can see why inexperienced guys prefer to date younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 02:15 PM
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That is why we don't listen what people say, but look at what people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:59 PM
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'Emotional labor' is just another arbitrary attempt of balancing the scales in terms of contributions, only for it to backfire because it turns out that men also do lots of unpaid "behind the scenes" stuff. Equality is just a double-edged sword. I'd have so much more respect for women if they were honest about wanting to be taken care of without doing the work.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 11:51 AM
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Thought people stopped caring about that after they got out of highschool. Materialism indicates that lots of people still act like they're in high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:36 AM
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I'm 27 years old. By the time I start a hypothetical family, 35 would be my partners age where I draw the line. I would like to start a family, but only with the right woman. That vetting process will take multiple years. If she's older and in a rush to get pregnant due to the expiration date of her ovaries, it'll put more pressure on my vetting process, which I can't afford to fast-track. Let's say the vetting process takes 7 years. That would mean that I wouldn't start dating anyone above 28. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:15 PM
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That person might be far right, but I don't see how that makes this subreddit far right as well. This sub is open to the public, meaning that literally anyone can approach you for any reason.
/r/MensRights21/11/23 02:04 PM
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I'm not surprised that people call everything they don't like or agree with "right wing". It's just a tone deaf cliché at this point.
/r/MensRights21/11/23 10:24 AM
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Looks, money, and status are the variables in the male SMV formula. 20s guys will have mostly looks, but less time to acquire money and status. 30s guys can have money and status to compensate for their diminishing looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:09 PM
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As long as there's not a consistent, objective, and tangible way to quantify contributions, you can't possibly know if they are unequal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:33 PM
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So no equal contributions, got it. To be fair, I wouldn't mind people preferring that as long as they don't opportunistically hide behind "equality" the moment they find out that it suits them better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:08 PM
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I don’t know who Ricardo is I literally provided a source that explains an objective micro-economic theory regarding this kind of problem. The least you can do before discarding my solution is read it. Don’t be a dick. If the goal is not to be a dick and to help others complete their tasks after completing their own, then let go of the idea of aiming for equality and instead be honest about expecting the other person to pull more weight. It would also help if the person who does more work is sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:30 PM
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My guess is that most coworkers and employers would prefer the employee that is doing what they can to make sure the project is finished so that everyone can go home on time. Any coworker and employer would appreciate sacrifices from their hard working employees because they have a lot to gain from it personally. Sure, the project will be completed sooner. But if Jess is expected to work unpaid overtime every time because Aaron is unable to complete his tasks sooner, next time she'll either choo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:34 PM
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But why do you think that the way the woman works is less efficient than the man? That's your assumption, I didn't assign genders to the people in my example. I only state that different people have different opportunity costs. From that I conclude that people's time is best spent on tasks that they are the most efficient at. If one person is really good at trading money for one hour of their labor, it makes sense to let them fulfill the task of earning the household income, also known as being …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 01:22 AM
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It sounds like you're trying to suggest that unpaid labour is just people being lazy and not completing their tasks efficiently. I'm suggesting that people are different, and therefore one hour of his time cannot be compared to an hour of her time, especially when some people are better at certain tasks than others. Opportunity costs differ per task for every person. If the goal is to split contributions 50/50, there is a possibility that the person who's able to spend their time more efficientl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:27 PM
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Also, why should work be split by monetary value rather than difficulty or effort? Because you can't quantify something subjective like difficulty or effort. No two people are the same, so why would an hour of their time be? Monetary value is objectively more tangible. A better way to make an efficient and fair distribution of household tasks (of which earning the household income is one) is to look at Ricardo's example of comparative advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:39 PM
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Plenty of people wont because insurance is expensive. So it wouldn't be an issue if the father pays for the test himself? Risk averse people dont have kids with people they dont trust. No, they would go on as usual, but buy insurance in case something happens beyond their control. That way they can drive their car without the risk of financial ruin. Does he have valid reasons to believe thats not his kid? You can fully trust people not to have the intention to lie, but as long as people have the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:06 PM
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'Hours worked' is a weird way to measure production and contributions. (which is what we want to balance in this situation) Let's say your employer gives you and a colleague an identical task. You complete the task in 1 hour, your colleague completes the task in 2 hours. Does that mean that your colleague has produced/contributed twice as much? The value of a contribution is measured in dollars, not in time. Pretty soon he will be contributing a salary in the form of child support payments. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:31 PM
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Would you argue that nobody would buy insurance if it wasn't mandatory by law? I'm sure that not everyone will buy it, but risk-averse people would. The reason you don't pay for everything when you have an accident is because you have insurance or because you can sue the other person if the accident was not your fault. Otherwise you have to pay for the damages yourself. If a guy pays for a kid that isn't his, he can't sue the mother for all the time and money she made him waste because he wrote …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:24 PM
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I have faith in my ability to drive a car safely, but that won't stop me from buying insurance to cover myself in case something goes wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:19 PM
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That's why men care. Because sex is important to men, they look towards her sexual behavior for indicators that will validate that feeling. I'm sure that "don't ask don't tell" could work. Ignorance is bliss. Let sleeping dogs lie. But in case you find out from somebody else, the internet, or her own disclosure, the cat is out of the bag, and the bar will be set at a height. It's naive to expect men to overlook that kind of stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:17 PM
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If a man's not held to the same standard, he'll interpret that as a sign that she doesn't think that he's her best option. For men, sex is one of the most important parts of romantic relationships. Men want to feel like they are their partner's best option overall. There's a clear lack of desire if she makes rules for you and breaks those rules others. It's like paying full price for an item at the store, only to find out that everyone else gets a 70% discount.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:43 PM
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#1 comes from Pearl, who has openly stated that she's in it for the grift. People like her make the manosphere look bad similar to how radfems make feminism look bad by shouting things like "kill all men", etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:18 PM
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Keep in mind that the internet is full of grifters who have no issue with flying false flags to bait people into emotional reactions that will result in increased exposure and ultimately revenue. If you want to know if some "RP idea" that you stumble upon is actually RP, look up the consensus within the RP community rather than painting it with a broad brush. Another way to validate those ideas is to look to the history of the person who stated them. People who are in the sphere for longer times…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:16 PM
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If feminism wasn't a supremacy movement, it would be called humanism or egalitarianism by now.
/r/MensRights15/11/23 09:03 AM
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From an objective point of view, all romantic exchanges are transactional. Subjectively, it depends. What separates 'genuine desire' from 'business' depends on how many emotions are involved in that transaction. If the guy is able to arouse her, there will be more emotions on her part. If the guy is boring but a safe bet, there will be less emotions on her part. Of course she understands what most men desire from women in a romantic context, so she'll put up a facade of fake "desire" to get what…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:39 PM
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That means you snagged a woman of higher value then yourself Not necessarily coming from a place of genuine desire. Don't forget that her standards can be higher than her own SMV. Hypergamy presumes that women generally desire men with higher or equal SMV. Assuming you're right, I'd argue that she's willing to settle because of what he can provide. At that point it's nothing more than a business arrangement. But if she's able to put up the facade long enough, I'm sure someone as naive as the ste…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:00 PM
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If he's okay with being settled for as a second (or third, or sixtieth) choice, that's his prerogative. It seems like he's unaware of reality and thinks he's finally getting lucky, so don't ask and don't tell as long as it works out. However, most men would like to date a woman who thinks he's her best choice. Not just at that moment, but overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 10:21 AM
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I don't mind going old-school by putting the emphasis on traditional gender roles. I believe in the economic laws of comparative advantages and opportunity costs. But if people are only willing to do that whenever it suits them and hide behind equality when it doesn't, I'll hold everyone to the same standard regardless. I didn't make up the rules, I'm just playing my hand. We reap what we sow.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:03 PM
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Women think that men are not in realationships because they don't want to. And if he gets a match once in a blue moon, he'll sometimes turn a blind eye to red flags if any, cause its all he got I remember that time when I had a conversation about an ex (who was frankly there because I had few options at the time) with my buddy's gf. She asked me why I didn't choose someone better, as if kind/sweet girls were throwing themselves in front of me everywhere I went. Completely tone deaf and out of to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 10:36 AM
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OP clearly refers to the romantic type, which has no alternatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 10:16 AM
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Billy Graham Rule
/r/MensRights07/11/23 11:36 AM
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The welfare state has mostly replaced men's ability to provide to a certain degree
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 11:49 PM
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You can literally put anyone in your will. Also, how can anyone in that position have no money, equity, or pension to their name?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 09:08 PM
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If you really care about being together, just be together in a committed relationship that doesn't involve some contract. You can do literally all the things married people can without getting married. It's not some silver bullet that will magically make everything better. That contract with the government isn't worth signing anyway if it can be voided without cause and penalizes one party in particular when it's broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 08:51 PM
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Those choices were made based on blue pill advice. When a man who follows blue pill advice doesn't get any success, he'll be told to double down and stay on course. "Good things will come to those who wait" seems quite passive to me. Red pill would advice to actively change course.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 10:38 AM
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Let's call it death by a thousand cuts. People who catch a break every now and then will obviously be less jaded than people who have been let down time after time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 12:02 AM
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If a man doesn't work or earns less, he's viewed as unattractive. If a man earns more money, he's expected to contribute more financially. Unless that additional contribution does not get reciprocated, it would mean that he's objectified for his wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 10:50 PM
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Plenty of men are reduced to sperm donors and ATM's.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 10:23 PM
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Man are objectified for their success when it results in wealth and status. Or what some people refer to as being a provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 09:33 PM
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It implies that you have no other options, which is social proof that you're not desirable to others. There's also an economic aspect to it. If you're willing to give something away for free, it implies that it's not that valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:09 PM
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Obviously. I'm only pointing out the pushback that men receive for saying no, as they are gaslit into the idea that he's supposedly the 'lucky guy' because she 'chose' him over the others, while in reality he was never her first choice in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:31 PM
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I see where you're coming from. This is exactly the same way men feel when they get settled for after the woman has had her fun and wants to settle down with the guy she didn't care about back then. The only reason it's finally his turn is because her options are shrinking and time is ticking. The way I see it, all people want genuine acceptance and connection with others. The insulting part is the fact that this gets sold as that guy being the 'winner' because she 'chose' him to settle with. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 12:09 PM
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Women are emancipated, and they are more than capable of contributing their equal 50% share. If they expect the man to pay more, they should be prepared to return the favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:36 AM
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My comment got deleted, despite my flair color being clearly designated for RP men. Get it together mod team.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 11:43 PM
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Men call it "red pill" and "black pill" instead Seems like you have no idea what those terms mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 11:18 PM
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Ah, so it's the old "fighting discrimination with more discrimination" tactic. I totally don't see how that's not going to backfire at some point. But at least it's out in the open now that you don't believe in equal treatment of the individual and are willing to throw individuals under the bus as a form of collective punishment to cancel out some arbitrary and subjective acceptance deficit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 11:14 PM
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It's arousal. Tingles is what makes the difference between a woman making rules for one guy, but breaking those rules for another guy. why do these guys frame women’s lust and desire as something so negative and worthy of mockery? Because the woman breaking her own rules as a result of lust/desire highlights her own hypocrisy. If she's more honest about lust/desire being what drives her, instead of rationalizing it with a set of rules, it would be more respected.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:23 PM
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( for you ) This is one of the most important aspects that emphasize how men are held to different standards for completely arbitrary (and often dishonest) reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:53 PM
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Everyone already does accept people's preferences for the conventionally attractive The fact that men are generally shamed for expressing those preferences indicates that the acceptance level is rather low. I don't see how excluding groups from an acceptance campaign is helping the cause unless the goal is not to treat all people equally, but rather to give preferential treatment towards certain groups of people at the expense of others. You don't need "Neurotypical Awareness" campaigns. I'm not…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:49 PM
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The criticism on those women is not aimed towards their lack of interest in short/bald men, it is aimed towards the level of contempt that's expressed towards traits outside of one's control.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:34 PM
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Wouldn't it make more sense to just accept everyone's preferences and call it a day? How can you expect people to take an acceptance campaign that revolves around treating people equally seriously if it holds different groups to different standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:17 PM
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Women are free to not date men they aren't attracted to. I don't see what expressing disgust towards people you're not attracted to has to do with that, you'll have to clarify that. I'm only pointing out the double standard of shaming heterosexual men for their preferences, but not shaming other people for their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:55 PM
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Men are almost constantly shamed when they have any sort of preference. It's funny how people are promoting acceptance of all kinds of sexual preferences, except when it comes to men being attracted to women with a healthy weight. No amount of social conditioning or shaming will change that. I thought we were born this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 12:13 PM
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Being fat is a visual indication of unwanted behavior in a person like laziness, lack of discipline, lack of self-care, etc. that I don't want to associate myself with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 12:06 PM
2

There's a significant and increasing overlap between the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:11 PM
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They'll change their tune after an economic collapse
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 10:04 AM
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If standards of living decrease further. Men who can provide valuable services and resources can barter/leverage for sex easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 09:53 PM
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People without options are more willing to stay in such a relationship. People with options won't be as willing. It's not gendered, it's supply and demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 03:36 PM
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Seems like equality is a double edged sword huh? I thought we all wanted equal freedoms/contributions/responsibilities. Isn't that the message that feminism pushed? I'm aware that most people who say they want equality actually want equal outcomes without equal responsibilities, and you're a living example.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 02:32 PM
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That's not feeling used, that's feeling entitled. People that contribute more but receive less in return are being used. This is impossible when contributions are split equally. (50/50) What's your definition of being "used" exactly? I'm genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 02:24 PM
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"Only been with one man" doesn't sound like the typical woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 01:18 PM
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Do men get resentful with being expected to pay? If we're expected to do 50/50 in other departments, then yes. Either there is a division of labor according to comparative advantages, or everything is 50/50. Pick one and stick by it. Opportunistically picking 50/50 contributions when it suits you, but expecting partner to pay more than half when it doesn't suit you is just hypocritical at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 11:45 AM
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Spoil my nieces/nephews, buy a plot of land, build a cabin, go hunting/fishing, motorcycle riding, travelling, play poker, smoke cigars. Tl;dr - Doing whatever I want until I've seen it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 02:24 PM
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The point OP is trying to make is that the pace you get sexual is the difference between a reward and a punishment from the guy's perspective. Saving sex for later because you want to make things work will be interpreted as punishing the guy for not being attractive enough to induce the same genuine arousal you did have for the guy you would hook up with. That arousal is what men want from women in relationships. Hooking up early would only be affirmation that you're really into him. Saving it f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 12:29 AM
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I think that those traits don't make them more attractive, but are just not enough to offset the scarcity in the dating market. Women can get away with quirks because they have an abundance of men who generally cannot afford to be picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:56 PM
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But if a guy really likes a particular woman, he will not tell her he wants sex right away, because he won't want her to get the wrong idea If the woman would initiate sex in that situation he would not decline that offer. Women are the gatekeepers of the bedroom in all situations, therefore the comparison is invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:23 AM
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It is quite common for frequent irrational or inexplicable behavior to have some underlying evolutional reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 11:10 PM
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Exactly. It's being held to a different standard, and having to jump through hoops while others get to skip the line that bothers men. Just keep in mind that when she says "I don't do that thing", she actually means "I don't do that thing with you". Being told that you're not good enough would not be a pleasant thing to hear, but at least it's honest and upfront and provides closure, which I ultimately find more respectable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 10:46 PM
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No, younger men simply have had less time to obtain money and status than older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:47 PM
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That doesn't mean that the mother has no responsibility to get to know the potential father of her children before reproducing. If you don't know a person after many years, it means you didn't do your homework and you're a bad judge of character. Also, nothing is said about what lead to the situation where the father walks away and what the possible contribution of the mother to that outcome could've been. You're heading into exception territory if you're arguing that the father deliberately kee…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:51 PM
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They often end up hating women, calling them whores and developing a deep mistrust. Quite ironic to say I made something up when you immediately follow up with that. As far as I know, the manosphere teaches men accept women for what they are, not to hate them for what they cannot be. It teaches men how to make lemonade when life gives them lemons. The hate isn't learned, it's a result of getting burned. Also, resenting a person who wrongs you and blaming yourself for getting in that situation do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 09:59 PM
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Your guess is right. The average man's roster contains 0-1 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:20 AM
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Every man who gets cheated on blames himself at some point. It's called introspection and accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:57 AM
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You're leaving out a crucial part of context here. Lawyers advise against it from a cost benefit perspective. Many fathers don't ask for custody because the chance of success is low in biased family courts, and it could easily cripple them financially. Some who end up spending hundreds of thousands still come out empty-handed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:54 AM
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Why would you even start a family that early in the relationship? Women's entire dating and ultimately mating strategy revolves around choosing the right partner, as they're the ones who have to encumber themselves bearing and nursing the kid. A misjudgment on that part could mean the difference between a happy and a miserable life. Ages ago, it would even mean the difference between life and death. I know that women get the tingles from physically attractive guys because it'll make her feel mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:45 AM
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The fact that she contributed to the creation of the situation in the first place is what shows lack of accountability. Even if the dad was a "deadbeat" and abandoned the family, as they are often pictured, the mother is the person who chose to start a family with that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 09:09 PM
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A responsible mother would not start a family without vetting the potential father first. If that guy turns out to be a deadbeat, she clearly shows bad judgement. I'm not saying that fathers who abandon their kids aren't wrong, but let's stop pretending that all mothers contribute nothing to situations that lead to broken homes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 09:04 PM
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The guy would be an enabler. I have sympathy for exceptions like widows, but being a single mom is usually a result of bad decisions and lack of accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:45 PM
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You're not. Given that they all claim to like different things, you'll always start from square one and work towards peak compatibility with a new partner. All you need to be able to do is follow up on instructions when they tell you what they like. If a person fails to communicate their expectations, they have no reason to be disappointed about you not meeting those expectations. That's on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 10:13 AM
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As does everyone else with a degree. Not all degrees are the same or give the same increased earning potential. You age with or without a degree, so that's a weird element to include. My point is to illustrate the difference in time between two scenarios that end up in the same place: net worth of zero straight out of high school (no assets, no debts) net worth of zero after spending years on studying and paying off debts + interest #1 is the short path, #2 is the long path. The longer it takes …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:45 PM
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I'm discussing the economic aspect of the matter. Have you gone to college? I'm a month away from getting a master's degree in engineering. I'm 30k in debt. When I'm done paying off those loans plus interest, I'll be: Much older than I was when I finished high school Financially (net worth) at the exact same level as where I was after finishing high school Earning a higher salary because engineering jobs are in high demand and pay significantly more than jobs that are in low demand. Tl;dr - I tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:50 PM
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No. I think expenses should be balanced proportionally. So by that logic, if one person is capable of doing household chores twice as fast, that person should do twice as much chores. That way, by the end of the day, both partners worked an equal amount of hours on household chores, despite one person clearly doing twice as much work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 02:42 PM
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Umm.....all degrees increase earning potential. And degrees also cost money, that's why they're called investments. Is that increased earning potential enough to pay back the initial investment plus interest? If not, it's a bad investment. Even if you break even after many years, you're at the exact same level as you were at the start before you went to college. The only difference is that you're older and have less time left on earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 02:36 PM
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It's funny how love, teamwork, and equal outcomes is always brought up by the person who's fine with letting the other person pull more weight. I thought we lived in an egalitarian society? What happened to equality? I'm not even against the idea taking on the traditional masculine role by pulling more weight for sake of the family if I'm capable of it. But please stop larping as an egalitarianist and just admit already that you just want other people to pull your share of the weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 01:27 PM
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Only when money is involved. Once the conversation is about household chores, suddenly everyone starts moaning about equal contributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 12:52 PM
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Bills are paid with dollars, not with time. You still need to convert time into dollars with work. If one person is able to trade more money for one hour of work, it simply means that that person's hour is worth more. If you complete a task in 1 hour, and another person completes the same task in 3 hours, does that mean that the other person was 3x as productive as you because they spend 3x as much hours? That's the case you're making when you measure production in hours spent instead of dollars…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 12:49 PM
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Hours of time don't pay the bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:37 AM
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What are those? Degrees that cost thousands, but won't increase the amount of dollars you earn for one hour of labor, aka bad investments. What choices? Learning more difficult and more in demand skills that in fact will increase the amount of dollars for one hour of your labor, and allows you to get a return on investment. Is this what you do in your relationship? Yes, I hold everyone to the same standard in the name of equality. I'm also fine with pulling more weight as long as people are hone…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:23 AM
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Equal freedoms, equal responsibilities, equal contributions. Equality is a double-edged sword. Making different financial choices like investing in a worthless degree can lead to unequal financial outcomes. It's your own cross to bear, the person who decided to make better choices should not be expected to pay for that. If you want your partner to contribute more, you should compensate elsewhere in the household, or be intellectually honest about your lack of desire for equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 11:06 PM
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And when men set boundaries, they're gaslit by people who say that they're just insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 08:45 PM
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If you want to equate being someone's backup plan to love, than you're free to do so if it helps you sleep at night. But you're not fooling any of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 08:31 PM
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What a way to sugarcoat it. Like she wouldn't choose one of the other guys if she had the chance. She settles for that one guy because it's her only choice left, and the clock is ticking. He's the best option at that moment, not the best option overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:55 PM
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You're making up a hypothetical situation based on two different scenarios. You're not describing an average woman. You're describing a scenario with a stay-at-home mom or a homemaker and you replace the breadwinner with a guy from a 50/50 scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:26 PM
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Just quit the insulting, projecting, and shaming already. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Why do you assume his guilt based on zero hard evidence? Nobody except the people involved know whether it's true or not. Every time a guy's life gets destroyed on unproven allegations alone, people become more skeptical of women who come forward with those allegations. Let the guy have his day in court, instead of people like you partaking in another witch-hunt. If he's proven guilty, then w…
/r/MensRights20/09/23 12:24 PM
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Every time a certain niche gets called ike that, you can assume that the person they're picturing is already considered fairly attractive from the get-go. That niche is just an enhancer, not necessarily a deal maker.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:06 AM
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What's wrong with wanting to attract more women or wanting more control in life? Some people want to increase their odds with hard work instead of leaving it up to fate, especially if they've seen blue pill advice backfiring to the point they're willing to replace it with RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 10:58 AM
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Don't mistake indifference for hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 11:44 PM
1

I love the smell of freshly opened cans of worms in the morning.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 10:02 AM
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Only with forced wealth redistribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:13 AM
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For whatever reason, they seem to think that it's a zero-sum game, where people that raise awareness to men's issues somehow take away awareness from women's issues.
/r/MensRights14/09/23 03:25 PM
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It helps if you're actually interested in dancing. Like any activity, if you're only there to pick up women, they'll figure you out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 11:02 PM
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There's some conscience about a certain expiration date that youth has, therefore it makes sense to explore options and gather experiences while young. Sampling all flavors until deciding what to eventually stick with long term. If a person fails to do this, they might end up doubting whether there was something better out there when it's already too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 11:00 PM
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Dance classes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:41 PM
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A man would get resentful if he finds out that she used to do certain stuff with other guys, but not with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 10:05 AM
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Not to mention poisoning the well
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:56 PM
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Yeah, hard pass. I'm not interested in being the guy she makes rules for, I want to be the guy she breaks rules for. If I'm supposedly her best option, she should act like I am. Applying double standards by lowballing me like that would be a clear sign that she doesn't think that I'm her best option.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:09 PM
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For a man, being worthy of casual sex means that it's mostly the result of raw arousal instead of atteaction based on what that person could provide. Guess what, men want to be desired for who they are, not for their usefulness. His brain is wired to spread as much seed as possible. They would rather have girls drooling over them than a girl giving them transactional duty sex. Sex is better with love, trust, and loyalty in a committed relationship. Women obviously like the idea of security becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:19 AM
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Don't act like this pushback comes out of nowhere and isn't a reaction on something. Live and let live. The issue is that certain movements not just advocate for acceptance of the groups of irresponsible people you've mentioned, but demand people to celebrate them. Suddenly, their problems are everyone's problems. Some people just want to be left alone. If they are told that they are fatphobic and misogynist for their preferences, they'll just double down on their beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:20 PM
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If there's a barrier, it's a low one. No-fault divorce literally means you can file without cause. You can even argue that there are incentives for women to proceed because of a biased divorce/family court system that will throw out prenups and force the guy to pay for everything, practically eliminating any financial risks for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 09:38 PM
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I think you're onto something. Either there's desire or there isn't. Chalking it up to low libido is mostly just a cheap shot. Your last point perfectly describes an AF;BB situation where the woman settles down and only does the bare minimum to keep the BB guy around for exploitation while making simultaneously naking him think he's getting lucky. If he's unhappy with what he gets, he'll be gaslit into doing more for her. At that point, it's evident that the relationship has become transactional…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 03:39 PM
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you get fucked just a bit less by the state when you are married. Until someone calls it quits, then you get retroactively fucked by that same government. Kids born of marriage parents are better off in almost all metrics This is misleading. That conclusion is drawn by comparing children from married parents to children from single parent households. Nothing is being said about children from parents who cohabitate and practically form a nuclear family, but just aren't married.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 10:05 AM
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That's already the case. Getting resentful and hateful towards women is the individual's choice, not something that RP told them to. The message of RP has never been about hating women, but rather about accepting them for what they are and what they cannot be. RP is about exchanging notes and using information to navigate dating and increase your own chances. RP is supposed to be a toolbox. What individuals choose to do with those tools is up to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:34 AM
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I never hear anyone say anything about financial and practical benefits when exchanging vows down the isle, why can't we just be upfront about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:34 PM
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The point that OP's trying to make is that the practicality aspect is rather asymmetrical between men and women. Men have significantly fewer practical reasons to get married compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 10:51 AM
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If you're getting married for practical reasons and not romantic reasons, you're getting married for the wrong reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 10:31 AM
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Not having insurance also saves money until something happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 10:30 AM
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Why wouldn't she be able to take care of herself in 2023? Women are emancipated and perfectly capable of earning their own money. If people are getting married for practical reasons like this instead of their desire to be together, maybe they shouldn't get married in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 10:19 AM
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Selection bias
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:42 PM
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Good to know, next time I'll just lie about it to gain an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:37 PM
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The belief that unmarried men are dangerous and unreliable is quite misandrist. Why would anyone take such opinions seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:34 PM
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With no-fault divorce being a thing, everyone has one foot out of the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:43 PM
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That's survivorship bias. There are many other factors in a relationship that determine whether it'll work out or not. How can you be sure that the act of getting married causes an increase in a couple's chances of staying together or the amount of children they will have?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:37 PM
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Exactly. The entire point is to be together with the person you want to be with, so just go ahead and do that. Some vows and a ring at one moment aren't magically going to seal the deal. You have to do that shit every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:55 PM
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Please explain your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:48 PM
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Ironically, it's usually people in loving relationships who say "oh just be happy doing your own thing." This reminds me of millionaires going around poor people and telling them that money isn't everything. He's right to some extent, but wealth will make a difference to them. To be fair I have to admit that I'm generally in a way better mood overall and so much more at peace with myself when I'm in a relationship compared to when I'm not. The access to the companionship and intimacy of a health…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:44 PM
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You can be together and have kids without getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:29 PM
2

Why not let them sit in their own filth?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:52 AM
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I'm all for personal freedom as long as other people's freedoms aren't jeopardized. What happens between consenting adults is nobody else's business. Sexual freedom, like most forms of freedom, come with responsibilities. Not all people are ready for them and are surprised when reality bites them in the ass later on. Sexual liberation is a double edged sword.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:51 AM
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We'll have to meet halfway. If there's a small, less physically demanding thing that I could do, I would. My small contribution will create a relatively large amount of happiness, so it's worth it. Such a sacrifice would increase the chance that when the roles would be reversed, she would return the favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 05:00 PM
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Because the foundational layers of Maslow's hierarchy of needs (survival) would be jeopardized. If men decided to only take care of themselves individually instead of taking care of society collectively, women would have to pull their weight in other areas they generally don't excel at. Women know that in order to survive, a free-for-all doesn't benefit those with limited survivability qualities. Men are generally better equipped for that type of situation.
/r/MensRights27/08/23 11:19 AM
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If you want a reliable psychologist, visit an older, experienced, 'Vietnam veteran' type who actually earned his degree and knows what he's talking about instead of one that sold their soul to the church of woke.
/r/MensRights26/08/23 04:21 PM
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She settles for less, he dates down. There might be attraction towards the guy from a pragmatic point of view, but no genuine desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 03:36 PM
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Does she wear a seatbelt while driving? I assume she's probably not planning to wrap her car around a telephone pole, but it's nice to be able to walk away from a wreck if something bad would happen, right?
/r/MensRights24/08/23 09:01 PM
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And then there are people trying to gaslight men into the idea that sexual needs aren't real, and that they're just conditioned. I see that psychological needs are not on the same level as food/clothing/shelter, but discarding those and sweeping them under the rug will not make those needs go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 08:43 PM
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One word: Tingles That shit overrides any rational thoughts
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 09:03 PM
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If nobody owes anyone sex, then nobody owes anyone commitment either. It's a two-way street. If a person decides to bait-and-switch by withholding sex in a marriage or committed relationship, creating a dead bedroom situation in the progress, than that person should not expect their partner to stay faithful or stay in the relationship at all. The least that person could do is addressing the issue that lead to the dead bedroom in the first place and attempting to solve it for sake of the relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 07:00 PM
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There's a name for people we like, but are not romantically involved with: they're called (platonic) friends. From a male perspective, the bread and butter for most romantic/sexual relationships is sexual attraction and consequently sexual validation. If that part is left out, romantic love will disappear. You can call it shallow, but those are the conditions. They can still love and respect you as a platonic friend, but the romance part will simply wither.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:51 PM
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Same as mine, just different text
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:05 PM
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You might want to change your flair color if you're not RP
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:04 PM
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Blue pill advice that I grew up with has let me down quite often. When I got burned one too many times I stumbled upon RP and everything suddenly made sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 10:22 AM
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No. To some degree all relationships are transactional, so either way you pay for it. Prostitution is just the most straightforward way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 12:04 PM
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That's definitely a demotion to the recreational section.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 01:34 PM
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Netherlands
/r/MensRights07/08/23 09:18 AM
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As long as anyone can leave at any point without repercussions, I'm fine with it. In my country there's a type of legal status that explicitly states this kind of agreement where the involved parties make up the terms instead of the state. That way you can have certain financial benefits, but avoid the risks that a marriage could bring.
/r/MensRights07/08/23 12:03 AM
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The end goal is clarity and stoicism. Reality is nothing pretty, but at least you have some grasp on why things are the way that they are and how you can navigate that reality. Of course everyone's responsible for handling their own emotions. Red pill rage is comparable to the first stages of the grieving process. What you've observed is people who couldn't process those emotions in a healthy manner. In that process they became unpleasant people to be around. Parts of working towards the end goa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 09:38 PM
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You hit the nail on the head there
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 10:46 AM
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I'm not referring to any of those statistics, or your anecdotes. Divorce is incentivized for women because at any moment for any reason, they can decide to walk away with cash and prizes. Even the Duluth model can (and sometimes will) be abused to achieve this. Have you ever seen an average family/divorce court case? Let's be honest here, the only rational reason to get married nowadays is to get yourself (or your partner) a golden parachute, (usually at the expense of the guy) and enslave the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 12:05 AM
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One that takes responsibility for her own behavior/actions. One whose traits and characteristics complement her partner's. They're teammates, not adversaries. One that adds peace to a man's life on the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 08:36 PM
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Yeah right, let me guess: no-fault divorce is not a thing and women are certainly not encouraged to have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 10:06 AM
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there's a much stronger level of commitment This has become meaningless since the existence of no-fault divorce. Let's not pretend that a significant divorce rate and the broken mess called family court doesn't exist at all. Telling little Johnny that mommy wanted daddy to marry her because she will be guaranteed a shitload of money when she decides that she no longer wants to be with daddy, is not a wonderful thing either. If you want to be together, just be together. If you don't know if you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:02 AM
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That ring doesn't make a difference. If two parents are cohabitating and actively involved in their children's lives, it creates the exact same environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:06 PM
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but about 90% of PPD girls think he is not attractive "Attractive" seems to be equated to "bf material". But does the guy being "bf material" matter at all? The real question should be whether they are aroused by the guy or not. There's a difference between attraction and arousal. Why do you think this disparity happens? Actions speak louder than words. It's literally the difference between attraction and arousal: Arousal: he gives her the tingles and is genuinely sexually desired by her. (AF) A…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 03:14 PM
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Ever seen a ship with two captains? Many people seem to confuse being a leader with being a boss. It might seem that way if you take certain people's word for it, but men and women are supposed to be teammates, not adversaries. It's not about power, it's about a team of two with one common goal. Both members of the team have their respective and complementary qualities that they can use to achieve their common goal. If one person has better leadership qualities, then it makes sense to let that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 10:06 PM
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I never said anything about physics. My point is that if you're dismissing Maslow for those reasons, you should reject all other psychological and social studies too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 02:16 PM
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It's called hypergamy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:22 PM
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That way you can chalk up any psychological or social study to "some random dude with an opinion". Or are we going to apply double standards and only dismiss the ones you don't agree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 09:44 AM
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Once again I'd like to point out the difference between attraction and arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:06 PM
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I thought we were "born this way"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:53 PM
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I'm glad the creator of the video highlighted median instead of average results in the 4th scenario. When the 80/20 rule, or some other non-linear distribution occurs, the average value says very little about the average user and simply becomes insignificant. Last week someone posted on this sub that the average OLD statistics weren't that bad for average men, but falsely assumed that average values applied to average guys. Once you swap average values for median values, the difference gets very…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 10:52 PM
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It's easy to take stuff like that for granted if it's very accessible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 08:59 PM
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I can see both sides. On one side paying for it gives zero sexual validation because it's an obvious transaction. What most men want is to be desired for who they are. On the other side, if you're that eager to get it but unable to, to the point it becomes an issue, you could pay to find out what it's like to do it and find out yourself that the act itself is not that much of a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 08:56 PM
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Dating pools were smaller, people were more traditional. The internet sure did globalize the dating market. I'd say it would make sense that people were quicker to settle before that, thus making it easier to get the wife and kids. That being said, it doesn't automatically mean that the relationship/marriage would be a happy/satisfying one. Once she sees that she could've done better, she will become resentful towards average Joe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 12:11 PM
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Why bother getting married if we can just abandon it whenever we want? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for personal and individual freedom, but doesn't that defeat the entire purpose of the whole concept? Something fragile as "marriage 2.0" just has no meaning. At the end of the day it only increases legal risks for one person, and rewards the other person. Prenups are just as fragile and are often discarded in court. I don't see the point in signing a contract that the other party is incentivized t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:09 PM
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sweet revenge on the ones who turned you down You're the one projecting a revenge fantasy on this matter, not me. I never said it's supposed to be a personal thing. This doesn't happen You fail to explain why a guy doing the work to increase his potential in his 20s will not be more likely to attract more partners in his 30s. you should stop spreading this nonsense Why do you think it is nonsense, just because you don't like it? I don't see what's wrong with messages that are about self improvem…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:14 PM
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Discuss this kind of thing face-to-face. Say what you have to say in a concise way. Do it before committing. Know when to leave instead of creating drama if the situation doesn't improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:06 PM
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...as they have more options to explore You forgot to mention this part, no need to leave it out. You're implying that this is about a certain group of women crawling back to some guy they rejected in the past. I never said anything about individual men rejecting the same individual women who used to reject them, this is about groups of people. I'm just describing the changing behavior of two groups over time: one with increasing options, (men) and another group with decreasing options over time…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:50 PM
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You're wrong to assume that the average match rate applies to the average guy. The frequency of the attractiveness of guys can be plotted as a bell curve, the distribution of likes is not a linear, but rather an exponential distribution. As the top 50% of men get about 80% of all matches, (pareto principle) it means that the distribution is non-linear, and that the average amount of matches lies somewhere beyond the average guy. I'd argue that the median match rate will give a number that actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:35 PM
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Men's SMV generally depends on looks, money, and status. Men have agency to obtain money and status, so time is in their favor. If they take care of themselves physically, they'll be better off in their 30s/40s. All of this takes work. Women, who's SMV mostly relies on beauty, (and way less on money and status) don't have time on their side. They'll peak early. As the clock is ticking, and the amount of quality suitors decreases, they'll have to go with "lesser" options that they didn't want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:08 PM
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I also hear that you can avoid all that by simply self identify as women in Spain. Without surgery and hormone treatment. Funny loopholes. You can use this lifehack to get paid period leave.
/r/MensRights12/07/23 10:33 PM
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You're just pointing out that exceptions can exist. Nobody's denying that. I'd also like to point out that these kind of exceptions are likely to be the result of external factors. In order to age gracefully, a lot of work is required. People who do that work will be able to compete with their younger peers. Those who choose not to do the work are less likely to be in that position. Take all these external factors away, and you'll find out that most older women cannot compete with younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 02:21 PM
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The principle of least effort and the arbitrary way emotional labor is measured encourages people to overestimate its value in order to justify the other person contributing more to a household.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 09:55 AM
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also have an ego about them because they know they are hot and wear tight revealing clothes It's definitely attractive looks-wise, but a clear lack of modesty and overt thirst for sexual validation towards strangers disqualifies them as gf material for me. It's a huge plus if you take your fitness and health seriously, but I don't see why tight revealing clothes are necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:33 PM
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Child custody and child support is a different topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 01:54 PM
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Would you take into account if a woman had children? Child support is an entirely different story. What about financial/emotional abuse. That's not what alimony is for. But if it's the case, it must be proven with evidence in a civil lawsuit, not in a biased family court. Emotional abuse is a difficult matter, as it's hard to prove, but also an easy way for women to abuse the system by (partly) faking it. I'm not saying they will all do that, but they all could. There's no incentive for women to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 12:48 AM
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You're applying double standards on the matter by downplaying the sacrifices of the father and the agency of the mother. No, because that's the deal he made. I could easily turn this around say the exact same about her being on the other end of this voluntary deal. Why wouldn't she have to take responsibility for her choice in becoming a stay-at-home mother? If she values her career more than her family, then why did she quit her job? She could've chosen to be the breadwinner herself and let the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 12:34 AM
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Never said it cannot be a public thing. I only said that there are men who regard intimacy as a private matter, and will not prefer dating people like you who think it's a public thing, as it violates their sense of privacy. If your husband is into cuckoldry and an open relationship works for you both, I don't see what's wrong with that, you do you. Just realize that you're the exception to the rule and that most people view sex and intimacy as a more private matter. No amount of shaming will ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 12:04 AM
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Yeah, people can and will abuse such a system once penalties and incentives are involved, so perhaps it's better to just get rid of alimony or any other form of retroactive compensation altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 11:52 PM
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If someone gave up many years of their career to raise kids there should be some form of payment Since you're discussing compensation for things people missed out on, would it be fair for the father to retroactively charge rent because the mother lived in the house where he paid the bills? Should the father get custody to compensate for all the time he couldn't spend with the kids because he was too busy providing for them? If we're going to compensate people for their sacrifices, then it seems …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 09:52 PM
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The biggest reason people propose that as a solution to loneliness is because they want to make the point that sex on it own is not that much of a big deal, and that once they've done it, they can see that too. What these people fail to understand is that most lonely men are not desperate for sex, but for sexual validation. A prostitute will not give that validation because it's explicitly transactional. Being genuinely desired by an attractive woman does give that validation, and ultimately boo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 09:46 PM
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Since people (including emancipated women) have agency, I'm against alimony. However, If it needs to be like that, I'd be more sympathetic towards the idea of not punishing the person that's left behind, but rather the person who initiates divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 09:40 PM
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Be careful with demanding compensation, especially when not just the woman, but the man as well made respective sacrifices for the family. If a woman sacrifices her prime earning years from 25 to 45 to raise four children as a stay at home mom Let me mention some sacrifices the father would have to make in this situation: Since she lives at home on his dime instead of contributing financially, would that also make it fair for the man to retroactively charge rent for all the years he let her live…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 09:30 PM
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Demanding a man to support an ex-wife financially because she got used to a certain standard of living makes as much sense as a guy demanding his ex wife to cook his meals, clean his clothes, and have sex with him, simply because that's the situation he got used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 09:16 PM
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For me it's the opposite. I grew up with blue pill ideas shoved down my throat. I had dates and relationships, but struggled to make it work and couldn't figure out why things happened the way they did despite me doing exactly what I was told. About 3,5 years ago I found out about RP: it gave me clarity, enabled me to connect the dots, and eventually made it easier for me to navigate dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 07:34 PM
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Take a look around, men are and always will be shamed for their preferences that mostly benefit themselves. If you care more about what other people think than about your own dating preferences, you'll never be happy in a relationship. Do as you please, but men who value intimacy as a private matter will never want to date a woman for the long run who sees intimacy as a public and monetizable thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 01:21 PM
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For hookups, no. Politics will probably never be a topic, men will benefit from avoiding it in case it conflicts. On the other hand, some men will fake their political views to increase their chances. Most don't realize that such levels of agreeableness tend to decrease their chances as well, making it a double edged sword. For dating, it depends if she's able to distinguish between political views beyond the polarized left vs right, and not too quick to dismiss. In a polarized society, people a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 10:59 AM
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I want to have a family at some point in the future. Knowing that we're gonna need money for that, it means that we have to start saving up now and live a minimalist lifestyle in order to afford it without needing to work all the time. There's no point in having kids if I can barely spend time with them because I'm too busy putting food on the table. Not to mention the psychological damage the lack of parental presence will cause to them. The most common cause of poverty is people having kids th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 12:09 AM
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When women say they want... Don't listen to what they say, look at what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:56 PM
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Rollo Tomassi has been around the scene for two decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:08 PM
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It's a double edged sword. The 2X comment you're referencing is misleading. Yes, being an immediate danger to her will not do you any favors. But being the complete opposite of that doesn't automatically make her more attracted. Safe guys are often boring guys, and boring guys are not interesting. Being very cautious and too focused on making her feel comfortable will just kill her attraction and arousal. I guess that like always, the sweet spot is somewhere in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:52 PM
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Since I'm more of a minimalist and quite the opposite of a materialist myself, I would not take pride in her adopting such a lifestyle. To be fair, it would feel like I have failed as a father. But if that's what she wants, if it makes her happy, and if she lives in her own house, she's free to do all those things, including dealing with potential consequences of such a lifestyle. My job as a dad is simply to make sure that they know what they're doing before they make their decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:32 PM
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Horrible example. Athletes have more muscle mass, therefore BMI is an unreliable indicator for their health. There's no distinction between muscle mass and fat when calculating BMI. Also, aside from being unhealthy, being fat is also an indicator of being lazy, undisciplined, and irresponsible. I don't want to deal with such people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:18 PM
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Nowadays, alimony for any amount of time is just an excuse for lazy people who don't want to work. If you have the freedom to leave a relationship at any point, it also means that you have the responsibility to take care of yourself when you do that. You can't have your cake and eat it too. One person being used to a certain standard of living, and wanting to maintain that doesn't make sense. Asking someone to keep providing for you financially post separation is as weird as asking your ex to cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 11:25 AM
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I think you're onto something. Sexual validation plays a huge role in one's self-esteem. The human mind makes a big deal out of reproduction because it is essential for the species (and especially your genes) to survive. If you're happily single by choice, it's because you are aware that you can get out of it rather easily with lots of options on the table to exercise. If there are no available options, you're basically stuck in a place where sexual validation is unlikely to be reached.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:13 PM
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I can't see how you compare the correlation between labor and value with your example: A person providing social proof of being considered (more frequently than average) a suitable mating partner by your peers/competitors. A person being able to overcome self-destructive hurdles, purely for self indulgence that ultimately affects his surroundings in a negative way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 07:54 PM
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Living that bachelor lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 06:00 PM
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You mean he can't get in trouble because there's no partner? Because there's still this thing called #MeToo. I see that you're not kidding about that gen x flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 05:55 PM
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It seems like you're painting with a broad brush here by calling all RP/manosphere related subgroups TRP. I understand that TRP and RP are easy to confuse, as they pretty much have the same name. What you should know is that TRP is a group discussing modern day PUA techniques with the primary aim to get laid. They don't represent the entire red pill, or manoshpere for that matter. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. You need to understand that there are different subg…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 07:12 PM
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There's a difference between attraction and arousal. Attraction is mostly cultural and socio-economical, while arousal is more primal. I doubt that most men were genuinely aroused by fat women, but rather attracted to the level of wealth that made it possible to have an abundance of food and balloon up to 200 lbs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 09:18 PM
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I'm fine with it, it's always been like that. Equal outcomes are impossible to achieve without force, so let people be. I just want to point out the double standard and hypocrisy of people being okay with gender inequalities in the dating market where men are at a disadvantage, while simultaneously opposing gender inequalities in other fields when women are at a disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:25 PM
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Quite obviously a middle ground, a place where ideas can ideas be exchanged. We don't have to agree, we can just listen to what people have to say, be intellectually stimulated. Without free speech, everything would turn into stale echo chamber circle jerks, like 95% of subs on this rotten website.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 02:57 PM
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Irrelevant. The discussion is about guys who can only have sex by paying someone for it. The type of man you're describing is highly unlikely to be in that position in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 02:37 PM
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As the physically more vulnerable sex, they depend on social status a lot more. Don't listen to what they say, look at what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:46 PM
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I get that, there's no need to explain the definition any further. My question was how you could prevent people from abusing something that's so difficult to quantify. Let's take a step back. The entire reason why 'emotional labor' comes up in these type of discussions is because we're keeping score on the household contributions. Now, it seems fair to me that all contributions from all parties involved are thrown on top of that pile in order to make an accurate comparison. Now here's my concern…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 11:00 AM
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I'm not necessarily denying it's existence, but it all seems so vague and arbitrary to me. How are we supposed to quantify it without risking people abusing it's arbitrary nature? How can we be sure that nobody's putting their thumb on the scale when it comes down to comparing household contributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 09:55 PM
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It's a way to put your thumb on the scale when it comes to comparing household contributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 09:39 PM
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I heard that outside of Vegas there are some bunny ranches you can visit for a few hundred bucks. Getting there shouldn't be too expensive either with Spirit Airlines.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 09:05 AM
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why do these men keep coming on here complaining about being sexless?? It takes introspection to find out what you really want and need. The group you're describing lacks that and confuses sex with validation. I don’t think it’s healthy to rely on women for that You're right, it's not. But I'm willing to cut young men some slack because higher concentrations of hormones are telling their brains to go out there and spread their seed. These urges are primal and difficult to reason with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 11:23 PM
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What you're describing here generally applies to women, but only partly to men. The whole "just take a shower" trope is not enough for most men to get laid. They also need to learn game and actively pursue. Women generally don't have to do this. Also, general blue pill advice they've received that comes down to "just be a good boy" doesn't do them any favors either and mostly leaves them behind confused and frustrated. The second they try to compare notes with their peers on the internet, they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 11:09 PM
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I would almost recommend involuntary virgins who are eager to have sex to go ahead and pay for it one time, just so they can understand that the deed itself is not what they are craving.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 09:35 PM
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I dont find that to be acceptable because this is stuff they could have pondered as a teenager like I did. Kudos for being introspective at a young age, but I think you're overestimating most people's philosophical capabilities. They might've pondered like you did, but (especially with lacking critical thinking skills) they could've come to different (false) conclusions. I would do research, absorb things, analyze things, etc Sometimes you can only learn by experiencing things yourself. You can …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:48 PM
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Men Human beings are so complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:27 PM
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They know, but they are not aware. There's a difference between knowing what you don't want and being exactly aware of what you do want. The latter requires some introspection.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:34 PM
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This is what we call a turd in the punchbowl.
/r/MensRights19/06/23 03:25 PM
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To answer your question: lack of introspection, perhaps lack of experience. They seem to confuse sex with validation. They fail to see is that sex is a means to an end. (the end being a state of validation) They falsely assume that sex itself is what they need to scratch their psychological itch since they've observed how sex is used to communicate desire. Deep down they probably know it's about validation, hence they reject the idea of prostitution as a solution to their problems. It's just tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 01:52 PM
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The problem isn't the lack of sex itself, it's the lack of validation that comes with being considered a suitable mating partner by the opposite sex. It's the need to feel wanted and desired that often manifests with sexual acts. Paying a hooker will not give that validation because it's very clear that there's a monetary transaction taking place. The desire is not genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 12:56 PM
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Accepting the psychological differences between people of the opposite sex and taking those differences into account going forward is not the same as hate. Some people are comparing notes to be more successful in dating. Even if that doesn't eventually pay off, the fact that they're willing to try it despite knowing all about blue pill stuff says a lot about how blue pill worked out for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 12:13 AM
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Being able to consistently hold everyone to the same standard. The fact that many confuse this double-edged sword with hate is not my problem and shows intellectual dishonesty about equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 10:29 AM
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In the series the guy has a housekeeper. If you earn more money per hour than the amount a housekeeper would cost per hour, it makes more economical sense to outsource cleaning, and work in the meantime. If you do the cleaning yourself you'll only save the costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:21 AM
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Why waste your time on cleaning when you can earn more money working a job?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:47 PM
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The kid literally saw his own dad being put through the divorce grinder, can you blame him?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:22 AM
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It's an ad hominem, a punch below the belt. Honor doesn't matter to those who debate in bad faith.
/r/MensRights14/06/23 08:53 PM
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"Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do" are words to live by.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 10:41 PM
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Is this "more rewarding" work that people volunteer to do also more valuable to society? Does society benefit from paying 1000 journalists UBI (as an example) when there's only demand for 50? A surplus of journalists automatically lowers the labor value of every journalist, simple case of supply and demand. What happens to blue-collar dirty jobs nobody wants to do? Where does the government get the money that pays for UBI?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:29 PM
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It almost feel like being gaslit People are quick to say the you ONLY value looks, while most of the times there are more aspects like personality and character that make someone suitable for an LTR. As a human you need to eat food, drink water, and breathe air respectively. Take away one of the three and you'll eventually die. Claiming that someone only values looks is as ridiculous as saying they are only interested in eating food and nothing else when they say they're hungry. Just because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:07 PM
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There's no lack of ambition, my ambition is just aimed towards hobbies instead of unrewarding work. Don't hate the player, hate the game. I'm not the one who made up the rules. You can bet that more people will take advantage of UBI and let other people do the work when you take away the carrot and stick concept. This kind of lazy behavior is very easy to avoid if you stop paying people to do nothing and instead make their compensation proportional to the value they produce.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:52 PM
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Children of single mothers? I do feel bad for children. They never asked for it. But I can't empathize with irresponsible parents who made poor decisions. To women who gave birth after being raped? Single mothers who have been widowed? Let's be honest here, the portion of single moms who belong to these groups is exceptionally small.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:44 PM
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You can already see where the blue-collar labor shortage is causing trouble. Cracks are starting to show. If the men who do the dirty jobs that keep society up and running go on strike, we're going to be in a lot of trouble. We're better off keeping them happy, they can play the game of chicken a lot better than most people.
/r/MensRights07/06/23 10:46 PM
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If UBI becomes a thing, I'll just stop working and do things I enjoy. I don't see the point of going to work if I'm going to be compensated regardless. Hopefully my UBI check can still buy me lots of stuff when everyone else stops working as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:21 PM
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No. The status quo for breadwinners and homemakers is a form of bartering, meaning that stay at home parents are in fact already being compensated for their efforts, just not directly with money. The homemaker is exempted from paying bills, groceries, rent, etc. It makes no sense to let the spouse pay the stay at home parent a salary if they are already being provided for. As a salary is a legal transaction, it means you'll also have to pay taxes, so the household in itself will just lose money …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:12 PM
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I genuinely believe that some people, who have financially been taken care of for most of their lives take stuff like that for granted and therefore spare zero thoughts on the matter. Also, some will put their thumb on the scale by arguing that arbitrary things like emotional labor can balance out household contributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:39 PM
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I would be a bad father if I didn't discuss such things and didn't taught her how to be a responsible adult before her 18th birthday. I could still tell her my opinion and give her my advice after she turns 18, but at that point it's up to her to decide what to do with that information. After turning 18 and moving out of my house she would no longer be under my authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 07:58 PM
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empathy gap I don't mind taking matters into my own hands and doing the work to achieve my goals. That being said, it's pretty sad that messages like that are only aimed towards men. It would be more fair if women are held to the same standard as men. Empathy should be a two-way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 07:47 PM
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The only condition for AGR's to be accepted is that the involved parties are consenting adults, nothing else. Regardless of age, gender, or the type of relationship, those consenting adults have agency and are therefore responsible for their own actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:27 PM
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You really don't think that such a phrase is just common sense that applies to the vast majority of cases of normally functioning families? Do you truly believe that the bad fathers you're describing make up the majority? Seems like you're a bit biased yourself if that's the case. There will always be exceptions, but they don't make the rule you know. Also, where in society do you observe this "men are wonderful" bias? And if it's there, would you think that it's a proactive bias, or more of a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:03 PM
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Even if it's a real thing, it sounds quite refreshing after having tons of "women are wonderful" propaganda shoved down our throats.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 01:38 PM
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Based on my own experiences I have to agree with OP. Back in my less experienced days, some higher N-count encounters backfired on me. Whenever I was deemed "not good enough", she also happened to have a significantly higher N-count compared to me and refused to guide me or give feedback in any way. Every time I was with somebody like that I was expected beforehand to know all the ins and outs already.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:22 AM
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A woman who doesn't cook and clean out of fear from feminist scrutiny is in fact oppressed by feminism.
/r/MensRights04/06/23 02:57 PM
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The person you're describing would identify as an egalitarianist or humanist. If that person still says they identify as a feminist I'd assume that they are naïve idealist products of their environments, or just intellectually dishonest.
/r/MensRights30/05/23 01:57 PM
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Yes. I want to spend my time and money into raising my own kids. I don't want another man's kids moving into my house where they're my under responsibility but not under my authority. As I'm not their biological father, I am not in the position to raise them, despite them living under my roof. Even before moving in during the dating phase, her kids will (rightfully) always be more important to her than me. She's right to think that, but I'm just not interested in being second fiddle. I'd rather …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:38 AM
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Some men need their wallets to get their foot in the door
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 09:38 PM
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Globalization and the internet has caused the dating pool size to increase to such extents, that effects like analysis paralysis and paradox of choice occur to those who are flooded with options.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 03:58 PM
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I'm sure it's painful for idealistic youngsters to have band-aids ripped off and truth bombs dropped on them, but it will spare them lots of pain and suffering later in life. As long as it stays as objective as possible without pushing an agenda, I'm all for it. It should be presented like: "That stove is scorching hot, I wouldn't touch it if I was you, but I'm not going to stop you if you want to find it out yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 08:18 PM
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All I know for sure is that blue pill never did me any favors. After having to deal with shenanigans for the millionth time, I felt lost. I stumbled on RP and everything suddenly made sense. I learned the harsh lesson to "just be better".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 07:03 PM
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He studied psychology in university and specialized in behaviorism
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 06:36 PM
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Put down the kool-aid young man. Get out there and see it for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 12:58 PM
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People like to slam RP guys for "not touching grass" and getting all of their references from some people on the internet without experiencing the whole thing IRL, while in fact, touching grass is exactly what got me there in the first place. Back when I first heard of RP, it just made sense because it resonated with all of the experiences I've had over all these years.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 10:45 AM
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Pretty much all organisms, even non-sentient ones have the urge to survive and reproduce. We're literally made and hardwired to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 11:59 PM
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I've seen it happen, but rarely. Probably once every few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 05:42 PM
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There's zero proof that mothers are penalized more severely than fathers for making the exact same decisions. You can easily turn the genders around here. If the father leaves work before 5pm to pick up the kid, and consequently misses out on earning potential, this would be called "the fatherhood penalty". This is not a gendered issue, so you're better off calling it "the parenthood penalty". And then the mum who gives up her career to dedicate her life to raising her children is apparently a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 10:30 AM
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Doctors make much more than double a construction worker’s wage but it doesn’t mean his work isn’t any less valuable Then why do doctors get paid more than construction workers? Wouldn't their wages be identical if their labor was equally valuable? Both professions are in a certain way essential for society, but scarcity is what dictates value in a finite world. Just because one partner makes more doesn’t mean they should just sit on their butt while their partner slaves away doing the childcare…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 10:10 AM
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I'd like to point out a couple of bad faith arguments. I mean biologically how can you call it 50-50, the woman is carrying the baby for 9 months, enduring an excruciating birth that risks her life. Afterwards you have a painful recovery, PPD, breast feeding. I would never put myself through all of that for a man who’d be like “it’s your turn to cook tonight! 50-50!” This situation is completely different from the one you described in your post where couples are already married and already have …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 12:18 AM
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Ideally, I'd like to pursue equality in overall contributions and maximum efficiency by identifying our respective opportunity costs. Will you go for the traditional model of being a breadwinner, or will you expect your partner to resume work after maternity leave and financially contribute 50-50 towards rent, bills etc If we contribute 50/50 towards bills, we will split housework 50/50 because equality. In case one of us outearns the other, for example by 70/30, it would make sense to split hou…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:02 PM
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do you think that the construction worker should do most of not all of the childcare and housework? Of course. Apart from how common or plausible that situation would be, if the woman earns twice as much as the man, it seems fair that the man does twice as much housework to compensate for his lack of contribution to the household income. If he doesn't compensate, he would in fact be taking advantage of her. It's up to the man to make one hour of his labor as valuable as hers. Still just because …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:30 PM
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Why should she be working to complete all the housework and childcare while the husband and father sits on the couch? I never said that. Also even in households where the woman is the primary or even sole breadwinner when she’s not on work all the chores and childcare become her responsibility. When she gets a day off from work it means she spends the whole day doing all the work at home while her husband gets to sit around and do nothing. This is a straw man argument that's not relevant to my i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:38 PM
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Hypocritically, I see few people who complain about housework not being split 50/50 making sure that the household income contributions are 50/50 as well. If he outearns you, and you're unable to pull the same weight in contributing to the household income, then you have no reason to complain about the other person "slacking off" in other areas to balance things out. If you care about equality, you wouldn't mind. I'm sure many men are willing to pull the majority of the weight for their families…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:48 AM
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He never argued that it's a basic need. According to him, intimacy is a psychological need. Maslow argues that not satisfying psychological needs prevents a person from reaching a sense of elf-esteem and self-actualization.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:50 PM
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What would be a better alternative to Maslow and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:35 PM
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many seem to use it to proclaim that access to another person’s body is somehow a human right. Do people actually say this? Or is it the way you interpret it? Here's the deal: It's not up to anyone else but himself to decide what he wants or needs in order to be happy. When a man says that sex is a need for him, he communicates that if his needs are not satisfied, he will become miserable. He's not forcing anyone, he's just communicating. His partner is free to decide what to do with that inform…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:52 PM
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Referencing Maslow's hierarchy of needs, sexual needs are categorized as psychological needs. They are not as fundamental and essential as basic needs like food/clothing/security that ensure survival, but nevertheless still are important needs that must be satisfied in order to ultimately have a sense of self-esteem and self-actualization.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:29 PM
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Their location is what defines their SMV. The globalized dating market is a thing, but that doesn't mean that local dating pools are no longer there. You call them average Joes, but are they average in their own town? A global 6 could be a blue collar union city 9.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:31 AM
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Compliments can only hold any value if they required actual work. I had to bust my ass in the gym for 2 years straight to get compliments about my physique, and guess what......I like it and will never get tired of it You literally worked for it and spent hours of your time to achieve it, therefore you're able to appreciate the compliments that you receive. On the contrary, women who get compliments simply for existing are unable to appreciate them because simply existing doesn't require any wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:42 PM
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they haven't even considered that they need to bring anything Participation trophy mentality right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 09:30 AM
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Except nowadays dating is on a fast track compared to platonic friendships that develop over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 09:28 AM
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Agreed, "live and let live" is a two-way street. Personally, I don't care what type of genitalia you like to lick. You're a human being, therefore I'll treat you like one. It's ridiculous to expect any special treatment because of certain traits you're born with. Forcing other people to celebrate those traits and accusing them of hate just because they're indifferent will not help your cause and makes you look self-centered.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 07:26 PM
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A better flipped question would be to ask women how they would feel if the man they are dating decides to postpone commitment/exclusivity to them, despite having a history of committing to other women rather quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:12 PM
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This question resembles the one aimed towards men where they're asked how they would feel if women made them wait longer for sex than other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 12:03 AM
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You're too boring and I need to be entertained constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:32 PM
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In an ideal world that would be better. SMV is not the only thing that gives a man his value as a human being, though I could see why many young men who find themselves in social circles can't help to compare themselves to sexually more successful peers. The fact that lot's of shaming language revolves around a man's ability to get laid doesn't help either. Besides that, in a more primal sense, one's biological objective is to pass on genes to future generations. Especially young men with high t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 09:51 PM
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You're missing the point. For men, having sex in itself obviously feels good in the moment, but the thing that makes men feel really good about themselves overall is their ability to attract a sexual partner. It's a validation thing. The more, the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 08:39 PM
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What happened to "divide by 2 and add 7"?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 10:56 AM
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I would only care if she applies this rule inconsistently by making me wait, while there are others out there that didn't have to. The guy who didn't have to wait is obviously the guy she desires the most. As I want a partner who desires me, I'd be better off with somebody who breaks rules for me, rather than making them. Guys don't like to be held to different standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 10:38 AM
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Or is it the other way around, like would having a sister make a guy think that women really do coast through life relatively speaking Honestly I relate much more to this than your initial statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 04:32 PM
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All I'm doing here is objectively describing equality in the form of 50/50 household contributions. If that doesn't suit you, you are free to not prefer equal contribution relationships. or I would make him make me a full-time stay at home mom. This makes sense, as in your example he has the highest opportunity cost. If he's better at obtaining the most amount of money for one hour of his time, and you're better at homemaking and nurturing, and you can both benefit from each other, I'd say go fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 03:28 PM
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'Hours worked' is a bad metric to quantify production/contribution and it encourages laziness. Let's say two people have to complete the same task, but one person needs twice as much time to complete it. Would it seem fair to conclude that that person who worked twice as long therefore contributed twice as much?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 02:03 PM
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Assuming that both incomes are pooled into the collective household income, that would mean that the total income is $225k. The income contributions are in that case 67% from the man and 33% from the woman. As a solution to work towards the equal 50/50 distribution overall, would it seem fair that the woman does twice as much housework as the man? 'Hours worked' is a bad metric. Let's say two people have to complete the same task, but one person needs twice as much time to complete it. Would it …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 01:55 PM
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It is moving the goalposts when the choice of these metrics is applied sporadically.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 01:03 PM
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For example the definition of 'contributions' and the way to quantify them. One day the value of them is expressed in dollars, the other day it's expressed in hours worked. Whatever seems more opportunistic at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 12:41 PM
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Does that also go for contributions to the household income? Would you say it seems fair that if one person contributes more money to the household income, that person shouldn't have to do as much housework to balance out overall contributions to work towards that overall 50/50 balance?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 12:29 PM
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I agree that the internet didn't change the fundamental nature that was always there, but rather helped that nature to reveal it's true colors.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 02:22 PM
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Globalization caused by the internet and social media resulted in people who were local 9s to become global 6s.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 02:03 PM
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You also roll your eyes when emancipated women have no rational argument for being attracted to tall and muscular men, despite living in a civilized world instead of in a herd that needs to be protected by strong men? Looking at behavior from a scientific perspective, you're not allowed to explain any of it with biological arguments. Are you able to do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 01:29 PM
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Does this also count for emancipated women who, despite living in a civilized world, are still more attracted by taller and muscular men who can protect the herd?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 01:20 PM
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This guilt by association is ridiculous. The manosphere is not a singular entity or some kind of organization, it's just an umbrella term. It consists of thousands of decentralized sub groups that all have different views and philosophies. The manosphere as a whole doesn't exist and therefore cannot control what individuals do. Violence is already condemned in many sub groups. All it takes is a few unhinged people to split off and form their own sub group. Imagine some random person committing a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 11:09 PM
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From personal experience and the experiences of my friends (male and female) I can conclude that many women are willing to put out relatively quickly, usually within a few dates. The level of attraction seems to affect how quickly that occurs. Is it feasible that someone could want to wait until they feel comfortable with a person before having sex with them I don't think it is. Once she meets a 10/10 guy this will all be thrown out of the window, reason being that she can't afford to lose him t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:43 PM
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Regardless of what the man wants, if she makes him (opposed to other high SMV men) wait for sex, it indicates that she doesn't see him as high value. Men know that high SMV men generally never have to wait. The only way to make a man wait for sex without implying that he's low value for her is to be consistent and make everyone wait. Flooding the market (status quo in the west) caused men to use 'waiting time' as an indicator for her attractiveness/arousal towards him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 03:08 PM
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Just walk away and stick to your principles
/r/MensRights05/05/23 02:29 PM
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Body-mass index (BMI) seems to provide an accurate enough indication. (aside from exceptions like muscle mass or missing limbs) BMI > 25 by definition means overweight. I can't speak for everyone, but it seems fair to assume that generally above a certain index value, a negative correlation between BMI and attractiveness occurs. The exact point where a woman is considered 'fat' is of course subjective, but not random.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 02:17 PM
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Define 50/50 please. I'd say it means equal contributions, or equal amounts of money that will be pooled. Other people will argue that it means proportional to income.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 12:33 PM
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Some argue that equal 50/50 contributions are unfair when one person has a higher salary, and that equal proportions of their income would be more fair. Ironically, that would mean that someone will have to pay a higher amount than the other, thus making it unequal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 12:33 PM
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What two consenting adults do is nobody's business but theirs. Also, the lack of social control towards women that date older men implies intellectual dishonesty. It's not like adult women don't have any agency to make their own decisions.
/r/MensRights05/05/23 08:51 AM
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A bunch of guys comparing notes or sharing information that they can use to maximize their outcomes in life and to prevent themselves from walking into the slaughterhouse blindfolded. RP applies to many topics, but mostly dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 08:42 PM
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That's attraction you're talking about. Like OP's trying to say, attraction and arousal are two different things. I'm arguing that arousal does not depend on competence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 06:13 PM
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So sex is transactional?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 06:02 PM
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Miss me with the choreplay shill. Leveraging housework tasks against intimacy is manipulative. If she genuinely desires him, her arousal wouldn't depend on how many dishes he cleaned.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:47 PM
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I wonder what reason she has to keep the husband around, aside from him being a sperm donor.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:36 PM
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I don't believe the hypothetical woman you're talking about is genuinely interested in starting a family. full time day care for your kids It makes no sense to have children, only to ship them off to daycare. I'd rather have them taken care of and raised by their own parents, instead of working a job to pay someone else to do it. I could see why you would do that to outsource housework, but children need their parents. Once again, I don't want to start a family with a woman who thinks her career…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:34 PM
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I wouldn't have a problem with that. As long as she's able to get more money for one hour of work compared to me, I'll be happy to spend more time at home with my family. That being said, I don't believe it will ever come to that since most women are not attracted to/aroused by men who earn less than them, and are unlikely to regard them as suitable long term partners to have children with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 01:31 PM
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Generally no. As long as she can pull her weight in the household with equal contributions and doesn't leech off me once we start living together, I don't mind. Would it make her less attractive if she worked a minimum wage job and didn't have any aspirations to progress? I wouldn't mind. What are your thoughts on career women who have placed their careers as one of the most important aspects of their lives? Once it goes long term, I'd rather not start a family with a woman who thinks her career…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 11:44 AM
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Definitely B In scenario A, ties are cut. In scenario B, she strings him along. Regardless of his intentions, if after being rejected the guy decides to stick around, he puts himself in the friendzone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 10:22 AM
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Ever seen a woman ditch a millionaire for a garbage collector?
/r/PussyPassDenied03/05/23 10:14 AM
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What makes you think some people were drawn to RP ideas in the first place? Is it maybe because they did exactly what they were told and despite of that got burned over and over? They were drawn to RP because to them, it makes sense and ultimately provides clarity. Demanding people to reject RP ideas and come back to the blue pill world that burned them in the first place will not work unless you can prove to them why switching back is better for them individually. Only providing reasons why RP …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 02:56 PM
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Find out by texting them at night. Tell them you're bored and ask them if they're dtf.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 01:38 PM
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prostitutes don't actually solve the problem a lot of men have (it's loneliness) Most loners feel bummed out because they are not considered "good enough" by the opposite sex as a sexual partner. Biologically that means they are failures. Prostitution might scratch the itch a little bit short term, but knowing that the content of their wallet (opposed to content of character) is the only reason it's happening, it ultimately won't provide the validation they are craving.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:40 AM
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Generally not, and if they do, it doesn't last. The second men would benefit from gender equality, the definition of the word 'equality' gets changed, or other forms of goal post shifting occur. Lots of double standards are being applied. I have yet to see somebody apply gender equality in a consistent, non-opportunistic way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:56 AM
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if you're paying the same numerical amount it's not equal It is. Stop changing the definition of the word 'equal' to whatever suits best. If you want to be taken care of financially that's fine, but just be honest about it and appreciate the other person carrying you instead of claiming you're pulling the same weight. The numbers don't lie. you're not equally deprived of money By that logic I could just quit my job, have zero income, claim that the other person should spend 100% of their paychec…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 12:04 AM
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Are you implying that sex is transactional? This is the equality that was asked for. Both parties contribute the same amount, period. If you don't like it that's fine, but don't yell "equality" and then back out of it the moment you cannot benefit from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 11:38 PM
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Many proposed solutions come down to equal proportions of each paycheck as a so called 'equal solution', but actually are far from true equality. For example, both people work 40h jobs. One person earns 100k and the other 50k, and they're both expected to pool the same percentage of their salary for the household income. Now call me crazy, but isn't one person contributing twice as much in that case? There's a lot of goal post shifting going on, they say that they're both contributing equally, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:33 PM
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50% of the costs should be the only answer if people truly care about equality. Regardless of income difference, both should contribute an equal amount (NOT percentage) to the pot. If one person earns more than the other, it means that that person gets to keep more to themselves. Equal portions/percentages of both respective incomes means that one person pays more, and therefore contributes more, which is not equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:19 PM
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It's not like guys aren't aware how high SMV men get treated. If he has to jump through hoops for her, while someone else doesn't, he knows she's probably not that into him. Girls making guys wait only works if the girl makes everyone she dates wait, and even then the guy could still go and find a girl who doesn't make him wait. The market's pretty much flooded at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:16 PM
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50% of the costs should be the only answer if people truly care about equality. Regardless of income difference, both should contribute an equal amount (NOT percentage) to the pot. If one person earns more than the other, it means that that person gets to keep more to themselves. Equal portions/percentages of both respective incomes means that one person pays more, and therefore contributes more, which is not equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:34 PM
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Here's the thing: regular guys are very much aware how high SMV men are treated, so the way she treats him will tell him what she thinks of him. If the guy's expected to jump through hoops, he will know that he's not that special to her and that he'll be tossed aside once a high SMV guy comes along. That information demotivates regular guys, they don't want to waste their time and resources or be taken advantage of. Men want their women to be with them because they think they are the best they c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 10:11 AM
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"Just be happy she's doing you a favor by letting you be her 31st choice." - Thanks, I've never felt so special in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:28 PM
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It's about the things and experiences money can buy. Not just in a materialistic sense, also think about the freedom and experiences you can have because of money. Women are appealed to the idea of being a part of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:38 AM
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You wrongly assume that looks determine 100% of a guy's SMV, there's also money and status. Looks fade over time, but people can age gracefully if they take care of their bodies. Don't forget that time works in men's favor when it comes to acquiring money and status. Men have agency. With the right amount of work, men can increase their SMV over time and are able to peak at a later stage then women, whose SMV is mostly determined by their looks and peaks much earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 07:32 PM
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It's a boundary. A partner wearing revealing clothing for sexual attention outside of your relationship is something you can have objections to. Everyone is free to leave the relationship at any time. Calling objections "controlling" is nothing more than declining somebody's authority on their own boundaries. If they're not willing to respect boundaries, it means you're not compatible and the relationship is not going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 10:36 PM
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Do you believe that women are incapable of doing those jobs? Of course not. It's not about being capable of doing the job, it's about being willing to do the job. Despite decades of feminism and emancipation, there's still a small minority of women working blue-collar jobs. Why is that the case? With enough pay If this happens because nobody is willing to do the job for less, it will lead to increased prices (inflation) or higher taxes to compensate for increased wage expenses, which decreases o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:14 PM
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If young men don't have the motivation to go out and make a good life for themselves, then let them rot in their bedrooms. Young women seem to manage just fine. Let me guess, young women will become construction workers, truck drivers, linemen, oil rig workers, fishermen, garbage collectors, factory workers etc? Imagine a world without those professions. Do you have any idea how many men contribute to your current standards of living, and how they will drop once those men decide to walk away? Of…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:26 AM
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Are we really going to start with the mandatory wives mandated by the state? Please remind me where I say this, because I don't remember doing that. Stop putting words in my mouth if you can't think of a decent counter argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:10 AM
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Reintroduce the carrot and stick. Why would society be entitled to economically, emotionally and physically viable men if it has nothing to offer to them? A man used to make himself a productive member of society and get his shit together so he could provide for his wife and kids. Take that out of the equation and you're left with men who will only take care of themselves and nobody else, who will have no problem to drag society down with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 10:12 PM
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Also, society encourages victimhood instead of rewarding justice and merit.
/r/MensRights18/04/23 08:15 PM
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Agreed, my comment was under the assumption of a timeline of people in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 10:11 AM
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People’s “league” is who they can get, not who they want Technically the correct answer. Though to most people it seems reasonable that a 6/10 guy would want to get with a 6/10 girl. Reality implies otherwise. We all know that average looking girls are somehow out of average guys' league, despite them both being average looking. This implies a double standard in dating, where men and women are different and therefore play the game by a different set of rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:09 PM
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Female attention is generally validating, as it's a reflection of your own market value. Being "good enough" for low-value women is not great, but it's better than not being "good enough" for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 10:42 AM
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Someone who's friendly and cooperative (title) would understand that it's wrong to let somebody else pay for her bad habits and decisions, and will be motivated to improve their behavior to not be a financial liability in a long term partnership. With 50/50 contributions to the household income, (equality) that would either mean she has to pull more weight, or I get to do less and keep more money to myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 03:26 PM
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It's called a libido gap. There might be a deviation from the average, but there's no "right" or "wrong" amount. You have to meet each other halfway in order to make the relationship work. BPers here desperate want to convince men that sex is not important because they want to control these "bad" (in their view) men. That's an example of not making an effort to meet halfway. One could even describe it as manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 04:26 PM
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Doubling the workforce
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 04:07 PM
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Consistency
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 03:41 PM
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That's 3rd wave feminism already
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 03:41 PM
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Not getting into conflicts in the first place doesn't really count as surviving them, does it? I might as well tell you that I survived hundreds of earthquakes, simply because I was not there when it happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 03:07 PM
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women care much more about giving politically correct answers that make them look good As the more physically vulnerable sex of the two, women generally benefit from forming communities and not provoking conflicts that lead to physical violence. Choosing political correctness to avoid a conflict would make sense, it's not in their best interest to be completely honest about attraction or arousal. Also, there seems to be a difference between attraction and arousal: Attraction seems to be more rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 08:02 PM
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I did the same. It was frustrating, but I knew deep down that it was for the better to apply a "no teeth pulling policy". I cut loose those who acted like they did me a favor by just showing up without reciprocating. It resulted in a 3 year dry spell. One day my advances were reciprocated and now I'm in a satisfying LTR. If guys keep doing the majority of the heavy lifting, it will only create more entitlement on the other side. Unfortunately, simps keep ruining it by setting unrealistic and unh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:33 PM
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Is that current day PUA or 1970s PUA?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 10:36 AM
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I don't know where I say anything about right wing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:43 AM
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You ordered steak, but unfortunately steak is not on the menu. Are you going to order something else from the menu, or are you going to starve? The author intended a more pragmatic approach, he's not a psychologist. The book is merely a list of alternatives you could try that could possibly provide purpose. I guess there's no harm in trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:34 PM
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I'd rather label people from the TRP sub as pick-up artists, or people pretending to be. PUA is formed with RP in mind, but it doesn't represent the entirety of RP. Just like how a square is a rectangle, but not all rectangles are squares. From my understanding, red pill only means awareness of current social dynamics, understanding how they work and how to put them to your advantage to avoid walking into the slaughterhouse blindfolded. It's not necessarily exclusive to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:24 PM
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This book describes a variety of (celibate) life paths you could take on your own After one of the author's friends committed suicide, presumably due to the inability to find a life partner, he decided to write this book to prevent future suicides from happening as a result of increasing loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:45 PM
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You can walk shirtless without risking a public exposure charge
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:30 PM
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Looks, money, and status dictate male SMV. It's obvious that looks will fade with age, peaking at mid 20s. But money and status can be gained over time with hard work. A guy in his 20s has spent less time to gain money and status compared to a guy in his 30s, so it's likely that the guy in his 30s will have better chances. If you do the work and keep yourself in decent shape, I reckon that overall SMV could be higher in a man's 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:37 AM
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In her mind the "husband material" guy, because he gets to keep her long term That's her win, not necessarily his. I understand that commitment is valuable to women, but don't assume that men value it to the same degree, especially not as much as being desired by the opposite sex. These 'husband material guys' want to be desired like 'fun guys'. Commitment won't have much value to them if they don't get that same genuine desire. Zero times something will always be zero. if the "husband material"…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:06 PM
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For the majority of men, sex is a psychological need. Neglecting that need is damaging to them on the long term. If my wife neglects my sexual needs, I'll become unhappy and resentful towards her. Without sex, there will simply be no marriage. It'll be like building a house with no foundation. I will not have kids if it means they'll grow up in a broken home with two parents who don't love each other. So, to answer your question: I'd rather be a bachelor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 11:02 AM
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Good luck trying to convince the 'husband material' guy that he's the winner by taking it slow, letting him jump through hoops, and giving him tons of baggage to deal with. The 'husband material' guy is very much aware that there were other 'fun guys' who were obviously much more desirable because they got their prizes from day one. Guys want to be desired, they don't want to be put on the back burner as a consolation prize or insurance policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 10:35 AM
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fleeting attraction means nothing in the big scheme of things. Good luck trying to convince a 'long term' guy that he's more desirable by letting him jump through hoops. To him it will just be a contradiction. Her intimacy no longer has any value to him if the market has been flooded.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 10:10 AM
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The guy she messes around with from day one is clearly the guy that she desires the most. Why would she let a guy she desires even more jump through hoops and risk losing him to a woman who wouldn't? If she makes him wait, she obviously doesn't desire him as much. Guess what men want from women? They want to be desired by them. If a guy is put on the back burner, he sure as hell knows that in a sexually liberated society, there's another guy she desires more and wants to take her chances with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 05:00 PM
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For short term, could be fun. But probably not what that girl's after. For long term, as long as there are better options out there, I'll pick them. Not settling down at all is one of those options.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:20 PM
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No point in formulating arguments or debating each other if 'feelings' are as arbitrary as you believe them to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:17 PM
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You can find out rather quickly. Give those single male friends a call tonight, (not at the same time) and ask them if they want to come over to have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 11:02 AM
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Yeah that could be the case. I also have friends who breezed through college and didn't need a job on the side because they had rich parents that supported them. Next time we should just pick better parents, right? He got the chance, but if he didn't do the work he still would've been a college dropout. The fact that he got lucky on the financial side of things doesn't make those who aren't as lucky entitled to other people's money as well. They could share their wealth voluntarily out of goodwi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:57 AM
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'Hours worked' is an opportunistic, but incorrect way of expressing production that encourages laziness. If me and my partner both work 8 hours, but I earn twice as much money for those 8 hours, our contributions to the household income are unequal. In order to reach equality, I should half my hours, or they should double theirs. If I take 2 hours to do a household task, but my partner only needs 1 hour to do the same task, I will be laughed at if I told them I was twice as productive. At the en…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:19 AM
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Then go ahead and get the same job as him. What's stopping you? You should be able to get his job if you can be more efficient. What people often forget is how they got in that position in the first place. If he worked his ass off and invested in himself to get the degree that got him the position, then what you're witnessing is a guy reaping rewards from his earlier actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 11:54 PM
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First of all, we must define levels of commitment that apply to romantic relationships, ranging from FWB to LTR/marriage. I wouldn't enter an LTR if I wouldn't enjoy her non-sexual company as well, you have to work together as a team as well. If it's just for sex we might as well make it a FWB kind of arrangement. But don't ask me if I would stay in that LTR if she stopped having sex with me. Sexual needs are needs too, and must be satisfied to sustain the relationship. If you stopped eating, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 12:07 AM
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Yeah I agree the mods sometimes seem to forget the 'bridge building' purpose of this sub. They have to acknowledge that in order to have a productive debate/discussion, sometimes we have to think outside of the box and cross some boundaries that are in grey areas. Yesterday I had a top comment with some productive discussion removed because it was not a 180 degree opposite opinion towards a post. I believe the CMV flair wasn't even put there by OP, but by a mod retroactively.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 05:49 PM
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How are female standards unrealistic if they are emotional needs typically satisfied in a relationship? It's about the amount of needs, not the mere existence of them. is the fault for unrealistic expectations really on women? Never said it was. In my first comment I say it's the fault of simps for raising the standards to unrealistic heights. I can't blame women for letting simps do what they do, but it is their responsibility to actively acknowledge that simp behavior is not the norm and shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 05:40 PM
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Don't confuse your definition of genuine love for unconditional love. There's no such thing as unconditional love. The only kind of love that comes close to unconditional is the love between parents and their children. To simplify it (I acknowledge that it's a complex matter), a functioning romantic relationship is possible in the long run when two partners mutually benefit from satisfying each other's emotional and sexual needs. From a male perspective, regarding your question: It depends on hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 10:48 PM
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Mostly emotional needs that typically are satisfied in romantic relationships. Simps typically provide an excessive amount of sympathy, attention, or resources, all without any reciprocation in hopes of increasing their chances of romantic success. Over time, the receiving party learns that little to no reciprocation is required in order to obtain the things mentioned earlier, creating an imbalance between giving and receiving, where the receiving party takes advantage of the giving party. Witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:38 PM
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No. OP says it mostly has to do with people missing out. I challenge that by stating that it has to do with people being lied to and I elaborate on my statement. There's a clear difference between OP's and my view. Chiming in from a different perspective could still be seen as challenging OP's view, as it adds to the conversation and debate. Or are you trying to say that people are not allowed to comment unless their views are exactly 180 degrees opposite?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:25 PM
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Read the first sentence of my comment again and tell me how that not challenging to OP's view.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 02:42 PM
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It's difficult to blame fathers, especially the old order ones that haven't observed or been in the dating scene for decades. Their own experiences come from a more traditional era where BP was a more reliable mating strategy. Even when the father is more RP, if he's been ejected from the family by the mother, or has a strained relationship with his son, it's also more difficult to raise them from their perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:12 PM
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Even if they don't want (or couldn't have) families and pursue casual relations instead, they know that in order to obtain those on a regular basis, they need to obtain money and status. That's why they will put in effort to become productive. Once they realize that they are unable to compete and it's not worth the effort, they no longer need money and status to attract women. So they'll scale down and only do the bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:17 AM
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Because getting casual sex is a lot less work than finding and keeping a suitable wife to form a stable family with. The bar is set much higher for long term, but the benefits have remained the same. Casual relationships (short term) are relatively easier to come by, so men will take that as a backup plan in order to satisfy their mating strategy. I'm not saying they don't want to have families, they just think that casual relations is the better option in this day and age with some cost/benefit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:15 AM
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Being child free will be the least of their concerns. I'd argue that tax revenue and standards of living will eventually decrease too with an increasing amount of men walking away. Why would a society be entitled to productive men if it has nothing to offer them? You can already see how something like an oil change on a car could take weeks because there aren't enough mechanics. Guys who realize they are priced out of the dating market, with no prospects of starting families themselves, will hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:05 PM
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They should choose better partners if they want something meaningful, it's not like the jerk they ended up with was their only option. It's like finding a needle in a haystack, so it's up to them to do the work and properly vet potential candidates. If she keeps ending up with jerks, it probably means that her vetting method sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 09:09 PM
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If somebody casually approaching a woman in a public space without ill intentions is traumatizing, than that's an issue that woman should deal with. The person approaching doesn't do anything wrong or illegal. It would be unrealistic to expect the world to change for her. If she doesn't feel like being approached, she can respectfully decline and move on. Shouting like the woman in the tiktok video is clearly an overreaction and not respectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 08:47 PM
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Simps are mostly responsible for female egos, and consequently female standards rising to unrealistic heights.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:27 PM
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Enjoy your monthly week of paid menstrual leave. Start your cramps on Monday and make sure they last until Friday so you can take a vacation from oppression on the taxpayer's dime. You didn't deal these cards, you're just playing your hand here.
/r/MensRights30/03/23 08:26 PM
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Obedient and compliant people are easier to control and (from a mercantile perspective) to sell products/services to. Individualism makes people as a group less predictable. You could say that BP's purpose is to play it safe by keeping people in line. I get that kids should be shielded to some degree. But once you get out there in the real world as an adult, and life grabs you by the balls, objective reality is the only thing that matters. RP will rip that band-aid off. It will hurt initially, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 02:43 PM
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Some day I'll find out if they're bluffing.
/r/MensRights29/03/23 11:28 PM
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My sister and her bf bought a house together and are likely to start a family anytime soon, so that should scratch my parents' itch to some degree. I'm not opposed to having kids, but it's not a priority to me right now or in the near future. There are other things I want to do first, as well as getting financially stable enough to make sure I can even afford to start a family of my own. Whenever my parents express any impatience regarding my lack of procreating, I jokingly tell them that they w…
/r/MensRights29/03/23 09:38 PM
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The guy was just horny and she was his best option on short notice. Knowing that it would be a one time thing, he probably thought it was better than doing nothing that night. Your friend doesn't realize she was (at that moment for him) only good enough for a hookup, nothing more. She must accept that she's not entitled to commitment, even after having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:29 PM
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Play the numbers game. Optimize this strategy with networking. It seems like you're misunderstanding warm approach. It doesn't require friendship with the girl, you just have to be at the same place/activity because of a mutual friend/acquaintance. Take a friend's house party as an example. The reason everyone's there is because you all know the host. That alone makes you less of a threat compared to a complete stranger in public. Just make sure you make your intentions clear from the beginning …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:35 PM
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Here's the thing: sexual needs aren't the only thing that they can't get satisfied, an even bigger (and often overlooked) factor is emotional needs. These lonely men want to be desired by the opposite sex. If they have to pay for it, it means that the desire isn't genuine, so it will not give them any emotional fulfillment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:16 AM
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It's about the relative difference between how both sexes value their partners' career when it comes to attraction. Generally, men don't care as much about a woman's career compared to how much women care about a man's career.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 10:00 PM
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Don't necessarily listen to what people say, look at what people do. It's not as straightforward and it might require some decryption on your side, but that's where the truth lies. Also keep in mind that regarding the "ask a fisherman how to fish" thing, the 'fisherman' will give advice from his perspective, which will never be as effectively applicable to your own situation. Personally I think the RP/manosphere environments are useful, but a lot of information and statistics are thrown around a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:03 PM
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The key is networking. Use your friends' friends to meet a bigger variety of people and play the numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:33 PM
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I guess that the recency bias plays a significant role. Also, in case she has an abundance of guys to choose from, chances are that over time there's been a better candidate that presented himself and caught her attention. I learned that online dating is a matter of staying on top of the pile of matches she has, and preventing yourself from being forgotten about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:19 PM
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Every day someone turns 18
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:09 PM
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The oldest profession in the world thrives on lonely men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:06 PM
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Men and women are different, that's the way it is. As a result, both have their own set of struggles and advantages in life. Personally, I'd feel better if people would acknowledge the differences between men and women (and their respective struggles), instead of telling people that men and women are the same while invalidating their respective struggles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:27 PM
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Just keep the lights off
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:53 PM
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Here's the thing. Preferences don't change, people just concede or settle for less according to that what's available. Because of scarcity or unavailability, one is forced concede if they still want to have a romantic partner. If I want to have some ice cream and my favorite flavor is strawberry, but the store only has chocolate or vanilla, I can still pick chocolate, vanilla, or none in case I don't like the other flavors. If the next day the strawberry flavor is available again, you can bet I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:35 PM
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As long as he can get his rocks off, he's willing to deal with the aftermath. Rich/successful can afford to do that. But I don't see why they would marry them, it's not like they can't already get what they want without a ring. Not to mention the financial risks of marriage to guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:40 PM
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Once she knows about the possibility of sleeping with option 2, option 1 would mean settling for less. At that point, the cat is out of the bag. A 5/10 guy will never be good enough. The misunderstanding lies in the assumption that sleeping with a 8/10 guy is the same as being able to get commitment from that 8/10 guy. As guys are often told that they aren't entitled to sex, more or less the same goes for women: they are not entitled to commitment. To answer your question: they do want commitmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:39 PM
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That's not the point, it's about the advice. Also, let's not pretend that most of the approaching isn't done by men. In the rare occasion that a girl asks a guy for dating advice, she's much more likely to get an answer that's straight to the point. The point I'm making is that when a guy asks a woman for romantic advice, 90% of the time her advice is generic, beat around the bush, preach to the choir advice that mostly makes her look good. This advice only works if the hypothetical guy is alrea…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 05:44 PM
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She is a pro feminist women and doesn't believe in paying for dates That's not a feminist, that's a walking contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:34 PM
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terminology like the wall, normie, NPC, cuck, beta, simp, soyboy Those terms aren't created by RP and have been part of internet slang in a much broader way. If those terms are being used within RP circles, the primary purpose is to be descriptive, not demeaning. Again, it's about comparing notes. The purpose is to be pragmatic. So then use critical thinking afterwards Who says that there's zero critical thinking before going down that path? And that sealed the deal for you. No. Evidence-wise th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 11:33 AM
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The bell curve of access to sex is more flat for men than for women, meaning that sexlessness on one side and the abundance on the other side aren't mutually exclusive. Both phenomena (sexlessness and abundance) are extremes that are relatively more common for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:14 AM
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So where did all your terminology come from? How do you think any language is formed? It's people finding common ground and using words to describe phenomena. It's not like the English language was invented by one guy, who we all learned it from. Language is something that organically forms and evolves. Why were they accepted without question? Survivorship bias. The only terms you know about are the ones that resonated with enough people for it to become part of the language. You don't know abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 05:21 PM
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Ask any RP guy what event occurred in his life that slowly opened his eyes for the first time, and what straw eventually broke the camel's back. It's ridiculous that OP suggests that RP is some sort of cult that actively recruits young men. It's no centralized organization. It's literally a bunch of guys with similar experiences comparing notes. Guys are drawn to it because for once things seem to make sense in a hostile world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:10 PM
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Not getting myself 'out there' enough. Eventually it's a numbers game, a higher frequency will eventually yield more results. Going out to meet new people is mentally exhausting, making myself presentable and approachable is even more exhausting. I realized I rely on my current social circles where I'm more comfortable, so I tried to make the most of it by tagging along and hoping to meet new people in a 'warmer' environment. It's less frequent than cold approaching strangers, but at least I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 02:52 PM
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OP wants to know if the 'crabs in a bucket' phenomenon is common
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 11:51 PM
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Promiscuity is subjective in this case. What men want is compatibility. A guy with low n does not live up to the expectations of a high n woman and is insufficiently able to lead her, which is generally deemed unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 03:37 PM
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Victimhood is heavily incentivized, so I'm not surprised those people are developing victimhood mentalities.
/r/MensRights21/03/23 03:28 PM
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Like all things in life, novelty will wear off eventually. As long as he explores the options he has and maintains a sufficient amount of variation in his dating life, I'm sure it will take a long time before he gets bored of it. If he's spoiled for choice, it's his own responsibility to pick the option that is gives him most fulfillment. I'm willing to argue that the boredom you describe is a result of doing the same thing over and over instead of exploring options that he would usually pass on…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 12:24 AM
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Don't listen to what people say, look at what people do. People will say anything to save face or make themselves look good, especially if they depend on other people to survive. Actions speak so much louder.
/r/MensRights19/03/23 09:23 PM
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"Don't judge me on my sexual history" [proceeds to use 'incel' as an insult based on one's sexual history]
/r/MensRights19/03/23 07:29 PM
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No amount of shaming or social pressure will invoke something primal and incontrollable as sexual attraction. There's a name for people that we like but aren't attracted to, they're called friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 04:29 PM
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I'll only be willing to split housework 50/50 if she also pulls the same weight in earning the household income.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:48 AM
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If we both earned the same salary, then it'd be only fair to also split housework 50/50 as well. If I pulled the majority of the weight in earning the household income, I'd expect my partner to pull that same majority of the weight in household work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:45 AM
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I thought it was okay to break up with your partner for any reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:16 AM
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Aaron Clarey, Alexander Grace, Rollo, Thinking Ape, Joker. Just make sure they discuss things from various perspectives so you can form a somewhat balanced and objective image.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:44 PM
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It's an obvious case of projection
/r/MensRights17/03/23 01:08 PM
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And those who do work hard are smart enough not to risk the fruits of their labor on something as flimsy as 21st century relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:34 PM
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Beggars can't be choosers. When times are tough, it gets increasingly more tempting to pick the only occasional option aside from nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:40 PM
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I don't think manospherians hate the strategy itself, but rather the hypocrisy and lack of consistency in public opinion with regard to how the sexes generally optimize their respective strategies. For example: when guys pump and dump, they optimize their own strategy at the cost of women, which is seen as immoral. It would be hypocritical if the same people are suddenly fine with women using the AF/BB strategy at the expense of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 05:07 PM
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I'd reckon it'll be significantly harder to build an arsenal with higher taxes and more regulations. But if socialist policy would be implemented, I wouldn't oppose abusing that system for personal gain. I look at it as taking back some of my tax dollars.
/r/MensRights12/03/23 11:15 PM
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