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Again you reduce it to a nebulous and anecdotal one off "their reaction in bed" Sure, a hot guy will get the engine going faster than a not hot guy Not a secret there
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:15 PM
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The definition of entitlement is to believe that you are owed something. "Deaires to have sex" is doing a lot of work here. When people say "entitlement", they mean that those men think they are owed sex because life is unfair. Not that they can't feel shitty for not getting it. If a guy can run through a football team's roster worth of woman, he may or may not, as well, feel entitled to women. How many people you sleep with has nothing directly to do with entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:38 PM
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Do you have any objective reason towards that point, or is it just "trust me bro"? Is "who watches more porn" somehow an invalid point when it's actual objective data and reveals private behaviors besides, thus could easily be MORE accurate? I'm never gonna argue that visual attractiveness means NOTHING to women. But it's simply not as much of the priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:33 PM
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You should see actual data on which gender watches porn more. Women aren't absent entirely. But the numbers are very tilted.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:29 PM
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If by "very visual", "nice ass" can enter their mind, sure. Men are also very literary, you've never gotten hard over descriptions of what a woman looks like or does or says? But where on the totem pole do these things sit between men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:24 PM
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Physical body is one magnet, but it's a weaker one for women. They read their smut. They don't watch it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:17 PM
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That places men's view of what's attractive as the focus when women's is quite different, in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:08 PM
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That too is pure conjecture and likely situationally dependent besides. Protection is generally a matter of whoever is biggest and strongest protecting the vulnerable from the other biggest and strongest. The technical physical strength of the strong and vulnerable may be different but the dynamic would exist all the same. Whether it is fair to place men in the position of being expected to protect women in itself is a separate matter. But I will alao say, it's overall just about never been LESS…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:04 PM
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Or we could just build better transit/walkability/ mixed use zoning/density to where you may not need ANY car and yet STILL have two partners working, more housing supply to ease price pressures, better funded childcare - how do you work 9 to 5 when schools get off at 3? - tackle climate change wreaking havoc on crops, simply move meat subsidies over to plants for efficient land use... and generally these things are extremely popular among men, least on the left, more than anybody. 1950s unsusta…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:58 PM
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That's deflationary though. If they lack disposable income and aren't spending money in the first place, prices go down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:55 PM
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Counterpoint: many women leaders throughout history have themselves started and participated in wars, to say nothing of the simple fact that lions and tigers and bears - oh my! - will still exist. Same with illness and natural disasters. And the mere fact that men are required to propagate the species and we have no alternative universe to determine what downsides could exist without men and especially fathers around at all. Threats will always exist. And in modern times. Despite Fox News and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:51 PM
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Look at all the most successful men around. Assholes are the rule and not the exception. Being "Me Too'd" is a rite of passage for these people, they make tons of money working 2 hour weeks on YouTube videos selling socially awkward Aspergers guys equations to solve their dating failures, they get to aay and do whatever they want with no consequences - that's true freedom, albeit kinda fucked up, no? Red Pill is not a failure at all for what it is. The boys and men consuming this stuff aren't st…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:35 PM
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The Red Pill is a great strategy for conning young men of aspergers-esque personality types that both struggle with dating and want an equation to fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:03 AM
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I think you're defining masculinity and femininity more by physical build than anything else like behavior, personality, values, or even aesthetics otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:52 AM
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What would that do The problem is no men teach. Not a make up of the student body.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:50 AM
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But there are multiple ways to make women feel safe and the most important part of doing so is making sure you feel safe to her. The notions that strength "enables" kindness or that "a good man is a dangerous one" are meaningless sentences. The notion that an otherwise feminine man lacks the ability to stand up for himself or others is entirely a black and white one, too. No men with painted nails have ever been able to throw a punch? Perhaps a feminine man avoids putting another person in dange…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:59 PM
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This comes down to the age old reality that the captain of the football team is no more guaranteed to be some asshole than the nerd. There's nothing to do here with some special formula. I knew plenty of "jocks" in high school that turned out to be very good dudes, with the looks to match. By contrast, look at some of the people leading different countries or being among the ultra wealthy - obvious misfits, often documented as being bullied, autistic, whatever. And the biggest assholes you can f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:50 PM
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Zooming out on this topic is helpful. I've heard from women alive TODAY who were not allowed by their families to read the news. Does it really make sense that this would settle in just one or two generations? Every woman coming of age today was essentially told "have your own money so you don't wind up trapped". Hypergamy likely will never go away completely but I don't buy the idea that things will stay so far apart forever either. You'll probably see a long term elevated singlehood bc of this…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:37 PM
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People have these things called brains. What you fantasize about and what you think through are often not the same thing. Doesn't mean meek and sheepish men are particularly attractive to women, but, similar to how it isn't universal that 60 year old men are universally attracted to Sydney Sweeney, plenty of men are attracted to tomboy types, dominant women, whatever. And plenty of women consider the more "feminine" men better long term partners, if not outright attractive. That said, there are …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:30 PM
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Probably means actions - you can make generalities like "pay for dates", "do the chasing", "get sweaty and your hands dirty doing those sorts of chores" or something. But innately? And really with anything for that matter? It is so individualized that, as with anything else in this subreddit, everyone has to take shots at their gender with a grain of salt because they usually aren't the target, personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:35 PM
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"If you fast rid yourself of all personal interests and broader values as a child, we will later reward you with a wife (and family)" That's the social contract, still, for men. (It SHOULD be a "don't hate the player, hate the game" thing, but many men take it out on women, as it is true that feminism changed the equation here.) Just cultivate boys' passions and cheer them on so singlehood becomes a more bearable outcome. Every happy man I know did the thing they found interesting, at least as m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:31 PM
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This is obviously a dick move on his part with a sprinkling of nuance: I think it was an open relationship but that is beside the point: they agreed to be each other’s main partners This is the entire situation. "Open relationships" get way too little suspicion. As far as how many men operate like this? About as many as ask for an open relationship. I feel like every open relationship is essentially an immoral one personally, but it heavily depends on understanding and agreement. At the least, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:00 PM
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https://cepa.stanford.edu/news/understanding-gender-effects-teacher-student-interactions Both male and female students are more likely to be perceived as disruptive by teachers of the opposite sex. You can kind of look at it as boys and men having one culture while girls and women have another. So what biases you against the outgroup and what your particular expectations, priorities, and so on depend a lot on your genders' culture. Of course, within that, plenty of people don't fit, plenty prefe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:00 PM
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No. But it feels like you're reducing it down to one tiny thing rather than a long term this over that process Fwiw, I don't really blame women for this My overall feeling towards it is men need to take ownership over their lives and this kind of thing of a small way of doing that I'm not necessarily saying that women are secret witches that cast spells to make men agree to things they don't want Im saying that men fall into this pattern without either realizing that it's long term misery becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:41 PM
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But the little things add up. "My slight preference over yours" is nothing in one instance but if that goes on for 20 years, it can add up. Aa a comparison, I used to lease a car that would calculate how long the engine was stopped (like the newish ones that try to save gas when you're just sitting there). Sitting at any given red light is nothing. 30 seconds or something. But after 6 months, it would basically say "you've sat at a red light for a whole day". Or maybe it just doesn't matter and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:46 PM
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Which is something they still choose to do and a spectrum besides. "Here's what I want, what's the closest thing that's acceptable to you?" That kind of thing happens all the time. Factoring others wants and ultimately picking the one you like most is still a big advantage, Or maybe I'm just insane and it's all bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:37 PM
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Idiocracy or not isn't the point; parity between the opposite sexes is. Whether everyone is stupid or a genius.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:30 PM
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Of course there are men who are undateable but that's always been the case. The difference is that women have more means to just say no to men (obviously good!) yet we exist in a liminal space where men still pursue miserable careers to not be alone and have yet to move past that. If the next generation of men is raised to follow and cultivate their own interests, much of this will resolve because they'll have their own motivation beyond merely not being alone. Having fun with life is something …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:21 PM
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Who wouldn't enjoy that? But the process is worth the benefit, well worth it, just to me at least. I feel like that's at least somewhat understandable? Or maybe I'm crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:05 PM
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In a sense at least. I like to have what I want. Fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:55 PM
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In itself, no. In terms of picking out stuff, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:02 PM
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But that's not a consumer good. Admin duties are actually a pain in the ass, zeroing in on that makes way more sense. Shopping? Groceries? Clothes? Decor? That shit is fun! Even if you're doing it for someone else, you're still controlling what you're buying and nobody is ever "buying this for someone else" as much as they put on. That's not a woman thing or a man thing. People don't buy anything out of pure selflessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:21 AM
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No. So much of my basic orientation towards life itself involves gender somewhere in everything. I can't even imagine a world without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:02 AM
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All of those things can be true and everybody knows a situation like that. But damn, that's some hurtful shit that doesn't hold true for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:59 AM
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Yup. It's a "chore" in the same way playing Xbox is. It's "work" to decide what you want to buy and how you want to live in the same way playing Madden is. (Obvious exaggeration, but not nearly as much as I wish it were)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:17 PM
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Men are just more obvious and "stick out" by nature (think about it) Women hate and "murder" men in equal amounts, just over decades of subtleties around using men as "happy wife, happy life" mules rather than acute rage. (Obviously, the flip flop happens plenty too! Men drive women into the ground over years and years too, women murder husbands) Nobody is a saint. We all destroy each other. I remember a grim TikTok of a woman cheering on her husband - she wasn't intentionally malicious, just "i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:11 PM
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Oh please, your first couple sentences disprove the entire thing. "Men are fine living on the cheap, they forego purchases entirely" Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:47 PM
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Got it! Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:44 PM
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Sweet, I completely covered how much I enjoy control over what we buy! If that's oppression, sign me up!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:50 PM
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I covered that Not always, rarely ENTIRELY, but it's certainly the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:48 PM
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Maybe but idk why not Did you know that the optimal distribution of silverware is heavily weighted towards spoons as forks have much narrower applications? Sporks, unfortunately, do neither job well (I've tried), butter knives are completely useless because a steak knife can do everything they can do and cut steak I kept one around for posterity but it serves primarily as a coffee stirrer at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:59 PM
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I like to try new things, optimize, and pick the little shit that adds up in determining quality of life - the scent of the soap, the Feng shui of the room, the easiest-but-healthy if you squint food to make, etc., the correct dish inventory for optimal efficiency- there's these bowls they make that are wide enough to double as plates! Half the dishes! If all this is oppression, I want in!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:55 PM
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Yes! I happily do! For some stuff, it's just whatever is cheapest, sure. For others, I can decide what's truly needed and just... avoid adding useless shit to deal with, etc. And still others, I get to pick the scent of the soap and such. Plus its 2026. You can tap your phone 10 times, set up a pickup order, and have some poor sap load your shit up straight in the car without even having to move your legs. Modern life is great. Some of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:48 PM
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I'm sorry but this feminist take has to be up there with the ones that chaff my ass the most. You get to decide what to buy! That's fucking PRIVILEGE lol Necessities still let you pick among options. You get to decide what food you want, what furniture you want, what blankets you want, what cars you want, what you want the kids to have, what pillows you want, what mattress you want, what decor you want, what dishes you want, how many of any given thing (clothes, dishes, decor, etc.) what house y…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:35 PM
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Namaste 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:29 PM
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What is your argument? Because you're perfectly allowed to not believe women - or believe them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:27 PM
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Yes. Fwiw, I've never quite understood why it was the norm for men to approach women and be the initiative partner in the first place - man big, man could be threat - unless society was comfortable accepting the risks of it. And we've never been less so. Deeper than that, perhaps men not approaching just reveals that women were never nearly as interested and maybe that norm came up long ago simply because men were the only ones who ever wanted it enough to chase. Maybe women just never wanted me…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:22 PM
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If you want to look at men standing en masse for stuff, you do have both Trump and Bernie Sanders in America over the last decade. And various revolutions throughout history Men don't do small shit. They go for burn it all down stuff. If it's not going to radically change things, then it isn't worth doing because even the radical changes often end up mundane anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:15 PM
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I'm not sure feminists are Hitler...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:10 PM
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Enough women said or implied "don't approach me" (e.g. Me Too) that this actually is a thing. Even if most women are "normal" and just politely reject you - or even accept you! It creates a situation where the risks outweigh the rewards whereas twenty years ago, it was risky enough to be gutted by rejection alone. It was never easy to ask a girl out. Now you've got social media and entire memes floating around about different bins of "bad guy" to be sorted into and you'll not only be rejected bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:02 PM
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What about liberal bi gay conservative wealthy low income women though?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:55 PM
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That's why you let them have the position of power Too much work
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:00 AM
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I fail to see how men are any different, fundamentally. So...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:40 AM
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Yeah but it's all costume. What humans wear communicates things about ourselves. Sex is one small part. Whatever you choose to wear is to communicate something and who are you communicating with if not other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:21 AM
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Yes, you absolutely should call them male sluts! People dress to impress. Enough of the bullshit about "I ONLY do it for myself!" No. You dress for others. Fundamentally. Everybody does. Otherwise, we need to bring back loin cloths and togas pls
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:20 AM
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You are wrongly identifying the bigger problem here. The debate about age gaps reveals the uncomfortable difference between how men see younger man/older woman relationships and how women see younger woman/older man ones which creates a profoundly uncomfortable situation because it becomes very difficult to create a gender blind, fair set of norms around it. When I was a 19 year old guy, nothing infatuated me more than 30 somethings. And I did not regret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:10 AM
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I'm not arguing that men don't work from home Im arguing that comparing only against the opposite sex within your own socioeconomic class is an extremely narrow minded way of understanding the world and a quite predictable way of fanning the flames of animosity A 50 year old man working at a grocery store isn't going to look with much empathy at a female CFO talking about how the male CFOs make more money. The lack of factoring in class and the absurdly complicated dynamics of society beyond gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:33 AM
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A man who has female friends could be building options. At a certain point, blue pilled ppl should just say a man existing is a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:45 PM
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Oooooh this is my favorite part ! When "the man" (litsrally) is holding you back but it's the gospel of capitalism for men. Just a hilarious contradiction and it's inevitable every time!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:01 PM
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The wfh where one grabs a laptop and presses buttons for a few hours.. which is good for them! Fuck wotking But if you cannot understand how that dynamic pisses off men of a lower socioeconomic status than you, you're not being realistic.. on average means nothing to any individual and on average is immensely debatable besides
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:19 PM
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This is a bone to pick for that 0.001% of the population If you can work from home, you've got far more privilege than men working in warehouses and grocery stores, especially during the pandemic- women too for that matter, but that's not necessarily the discussion here. Do you seriously think most men work jobs where anybody gives jack shit what we say? Fuck no. If you think that's some easily attainable position for men to be in, I'm telling you it isn't and "male privilege" doesn't afford you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:59 PM
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Okay Socrates 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:55 PM
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You can't determine how logic would even apply here without determining goals. Fwiw, I think women tend to have the better target anyway. But pound the table because you've got a bone to pick and argue around the actual point all you want. Sidestepping and insulting rather than addressing the actual content.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:48 PM
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My preference is not to swallow tho
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:26 PM
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Counterpoint. The issues men face are a death by a thousand cuts matter where it becomes much more difficult to point to a problem than the same basic survival threat of "man big, man can kill me and I can't do anything about it. " Your main points seem to revolve less around your title and more around a theoretical Bohemian Grove female conspiracy to box out men and boys when in reality small decisions made a century ago and default structures, even ones designed by men thdmselves, can drive di…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:22 PM
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Liberalism has plenty of merit overall. Its main weakness is the massive vague oversimplification of power dynamics and oppression to where anyone can believe they are an oppressed underdog. Elon Musk, the richest man on earth, has stated that HE is oppressed. I'd say money is the closest you can get to determining oppression and underdog status.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:07 PM
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Your elitism notwithstanding, an "inference" and an "inference without justification" is in the eye of the beholder Your second point about logic being nature or nurture is both fair and largely irrelevant as to whether one sex is more or less logical. Which isn't even a particularly point I'm making here - what I'm actually saying is that "red pill logic" can make perfect sense within the framework of their goals. I'm additionally not boxing logic in to point you are where you are assuming that…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:58 PM
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On your end, again, logic is determined by goal. The goal of harmony and wellbeing is a much different beast than being the best and the biggest bully on the block. If you forget people's well being,all the power you can create to protect your country matters less and less because it becomes less and less worth defending in the first place and the "male logical approach" becomes a staggering waste of resources. You are dismissing emotional motivation as having no value in the first place when it…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:49 PM
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But you're also arguing that men are not inherently worse leaders at the end of the day. Logic is determined entirely by goals. If my goal is altruism or my goal is power, logic is a very different thing. Furthermore, in what way is "most X doesn't mean most Y" an inferential leap to begin with? Why are inferential leaps themselves illogical as their goal is to narrow down communication to a point where both parties understand each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:46 PM
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Counterpoint. Those men make up like 0.001% of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:37 PM
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You're shrinking this problem even further: Mistreatment only comes from women half the time anyway. Mistreatment takes many forms. Relationships are just one sector of it. Within relationships, there are many ways of communicating dealbreakers and boundaries ahead of time to prevent many instances of intense conflict. Even in an intense conflict within a relationship, there are numerous ways of standing up for yourself or at least maintaining your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:29 PM
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Read between the lines of the above post. I'm not talking about the woman and man in the example. I'm saying to bring that example up is just saying "men's preferred form of love is always to just be selfish assholes, some "love" that is." It's implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:24 PM
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If i were single, I would beg for a sexless relationship if those were the only ones possible. I'm no stranger to kicking around different ideas or having deep feelings about women, and they can be very negative ones. But they're feelings. Women make life so much better and it's sad to see this kind of thing be promulgated. They matter. They are people. Be frustrated with them and feel grief. But they have all the value we all do. I can feed and clean up after myself and i can fuck myself. I can…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:23 AM
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As you get older, you learn that, contrary to your younger beliefs, friendship connections almost always last longer than relationship ones. That fucked with me later on because, yeah, friend zoning blows to be on the receiving end of, too But I kick myself for asking a few girls out at all because it ruined friendships that would likely otherwise still be there and they shut me out - so that experience you're describing doesn't only happen one way fwiw All of which is to say, that entire thing …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:35 PM
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Looks and bam, I'm done? I'm in. Provided I've got the looks and at least half the women do. Why bother with all that extra effort otherwise, at least all else equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:30 PM
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Why is leveling up more moral than leveling down? I'll never stop linking to r/malesurvivingspace because it provides an extreme example of this. How is thinking of ways to take things OFF your plates - fewer rooms to clean, less stressful jobs, fewer bills, less clutter, whatever - NOT even a plausible form of love? It isn't that women be FORCED to lower their standards, it's to stop looking at women's overall perspective as the predominantly "correct" way to live. Women's wants are all society…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:16 PM
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Thank you for that at least
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:44 PM
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Yes. All im getting at is that these things are so much more complicated than just "Men are just defective cavemen that want to fuck anything that moves" What i can say from personal experience is that, well, that general line of thinking actually hurts on a personal level It creates a societal wide dismissal of physical love as inherently a selfish libido driven id. Which can cause men to go "i want to hold hands" to "I must want a hug" to " I want to cuddle" to "i must just want to fuck and I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:03 PM
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That's an interesting way to say "Men suck and I hate them." It would be far easier to just say that instead of beating around the bush.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:20 PM
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If this is all to decenter men, then why are men necessary to so much as mention in any part of this advice? Even the phrase "decentering men" has men... right in the center of it. Ultimately, all of this is to say to women "be more selfish for the good of all because you have to counterbalance how much society expects you to be of service to everyone else and how easily people take advantage of that." Which is... just good. Honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:36 AM
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Which part
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:30 AM
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Women love men's actions/providership. - Men run a constant treadmill to be loved at all BUT have the ability to gain more of it. Men love women's existence/beauty - Women have no way to increase how much they are loved BUT they'll always be loved some. (As a massive oversimplification)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:29 AM
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Oh so you're saying that seeing men like that shatters their image of what being equal to a man would actually look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:16 AM
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Both sexes just love in ways that the other doesn't actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:11 AM
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Oh like it shatters the image of their man that they want to have?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:03 AM
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I'm confused on what you're trying to say Dumb it down for me pls
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:20 AM
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Look up the stats for gay men vs straight couples vs lesbian in terms of relationship sustainability
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:14 PM
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That being more like men would make you sleep around more? Perhaps. But there's also no real way of knowing. And even if so, there's at minimum a healthy balance here between having physical attraction at all vs. sleeping around. Iirc, stats on sleeping around aren't THAT different and the chasm between feeling unloved entirely is far out of harmony So if you're balancing a scale, sure, add a bit on the casual sex side. And that's being the most generous to your, let's be honest, hypocritically …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:34 PM
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Imo, what you see is generally women being like "am I crazy or does this guy im with who has 50 empty pizza boxes stacked to the ceiling that he wont take to the trash bin suck?" And then everybody else hops in with "no you're not! men suck and they ALL have literal explosive diarrhea on the bed every night and expect us to clean it up!" and so on Which is then perceived, obviously, by men, that women completely hate us and think the worst of every male on earth rather than that specific man Jur…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:45 PM
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You gonna go into inner city crime next?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:41 PM
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It isn't this subreddit though. And the internet isn't real life. And in real life, even most men are coy about it But along all those lines, I have no idea the who/ what/where/when/ why/ how of women's attraction to men. Most of the things they seem to consider attractive, from my perspective, seem both abstract and just as attainable, if not more, with other women. And, while the increasing rhetoric around singlehood, shacking up, and all female communes seems like a niche feminist thing, it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:50 PM
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Can't yall at least make it attainable smut? Like "thicc thighs at the warehouse" or some shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:39 PM
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Well good. There's something.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:25 PM
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You're stereotyping gay men as all horn dogs. No discrimination within that? No ability to find decent physicsl attraction without sleeping around? Is physical attraction somehow this inherently immoral way of feeling attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:24 PM
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Wdym
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:22 PM
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Yes, So "discrimination against men" is of no real bother. It's the tangential issue of "attraction to men" not being a recognizable thing in the first place. So, when women see men upset about "women not feeling attracted to them", it has less to do with individual lack of attraction than there being no real way of improving those prospects or even closure if there's unchangeable parts of them. Further, that's a secret sauce behind the manosphere- it provides men with any idea on how to improve…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:20 PM
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Casual homophobia? I'm not arguing that women just be attracted to "men" as a group, I'm arguing that even when they find a man attractive, they don't feel attracted like that. To the point that men have no idea what women see in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:14 PM
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I'm not arguing that it does. I'm arguing that reality is depressing because women can carry both - providership and body. Men can only carry one and have rarely been worse at it besides.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:01 PM
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That's not the point per se. I'm being, well, a bit absurd. It's about being attractive enough physically (or even in any impulsive way) to attract that same kind of carnal demand. Visual attraction tops the list because it's familiar. But yes. Exactly. Women aren't going to pay for men on OF. But more boringly mundane, they will never value men's bodies to the same extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:56 PM
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No? What point are you debating here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:51 PM
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Men want you to have a clit boner. If they can't give you money or be of use, they can't be attractive. They want it to be possible for their bodies to be beautiful enough for you to splurge on OnlyFans in equal amounts. Financial distribution has equalized between the sexes. Boner distribution has not and likely cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:43 PM
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the idea that men have an obligation to protect women. Which, again, "the idea" of an "obligation" isn't the same as reality. Female empowerment leads to birth rates collapsing, which weakens economies and the society... leads to feminized societies that that are... weak. Germany recently tried to bring back conscription for men only. They send around 300,000 invitations and only 500 responded positively. If someone attacked Germany, German males would probably run... I actually pity the Ukraini…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:25 PM
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Follow ups: •WHAT, specifically, do you find chivalry to even be and how often do you observe it irl? •HOW, specifically, does female empowerment destroy civilizations? •WHAT, specifically, is a "moral obligation to maintain civilization" and HOW, specifically, do men do this while women do not?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:50 PM
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Why quote him then? Which parts are true? Let's get specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:39 PM
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There's so much wrong with this post that the feminist deep state operatives MUST have infiltrated this subreddit. /s This has to be one of the top two or three posts on Reddit pushing me towards feminism, ever made. Just a despicable set of notions. Life has never been better on the average person than it is today. Your own life expectancy has never been higher. (Fuck billionaires and resultant weekly precarity aside - that's a separate conversation.) And the cherry on top? How dare women want …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:36 PM
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I love feeling nurtured, protected, and coddled - I crave it more than sex. But I do dishes, take out the trash, vacuum, cat litter and feeding, (shitty) cooking, laundry, clutter, grocery shopping and lists, appointments, lawn mowing, I've made her stubborn ass go to the doctor and there's a real possibility she'd have died if i hadn't, signing up for things like health insurance when that shit comes about, on and on, just off the top of my head. The "revulsion" is about men wanting everything …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:26 PM
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First of all: username checks out Secondly: I'm sorry but this reads like Benjamin Franklin, why is Benjamin Franklin here? Thirdly: The true need in relationships is to actually role swap, at this point. Because many people, including here, ASSUME women's labor is X when they have no experience living a day in the life. Take "if she even has to work", okay so let someone else hold all the money and you be tasked with doing all the chores while keeping kids at bay and endlessly picking up after …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:10 PM
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Gregorian chant better be up there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:44 AM
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I mean the idea that those traits are contradictions in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:48 PM
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Op is referring to mechanics essentially
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:47 PM
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Everything exists on a spectrum. Even if you grant your notion of contradiction here - plenty of validity - you can have a man that's a good enough balance of change a tire and blue hair. And fwiw, conservative women have the opposite problem. Because every extreme is always missing something.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:11 PM
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She expects a 100 yard kickoff return for a touchdown against the Dsnver Broncos. But you have to catch the full trash can and run it back.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:58 PM
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Plenty of traditional relationships have hidden unemployed burly husbands and six figure sundress wives. And they have to go through all that effort to cover it up. Nobody, men included, is exempt from having to compromise on their fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:49 PM
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Those men are unicorns though. Most men, what you see is what you get, at least on a spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:41 PM
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Then do that, if that's what you're after, it ups your chances. Then do it again the next night. And the next. And then in the voting booth, and then...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:46 PM
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Not even. It's men's dumbest approach to manipulation we've ever come up with more than politics itself - That's why red pill is also overall so stupid - just be a liberal feminist (ideological alignment) and go to college (2/3 women, play the odds) - you're halfway there. Flattery gets you everywhere in life. If you're going to manipulate women for sex and relationships regardless, you might as well stack the odds in your favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:41 PM
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No? I've not noticed them being particularly different than anyone else but maybe i don't know enough of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:34 PM
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Platonic male friendships, pets, roommates, Ai, and especially platonic female friendships can bridge the gap to make singlehood no more or less tolerable than it is for women. Loneliness is awful. Nothing replaces a partner whole cloth. But you can make it less unbearable and that can at least be enough. Because let's face it "just be okay single" is horseshit advice. You need to find a way to fill that hole in your heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:29 PM
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😒 People lie all the time to balance out inferiorities. Stop taking them at face value all the time and stop blaming me ("you guys") over shit I didn't do. For all the envy and frustration I do have with women (I wish I didn't but truth is truth), underestimating them is probably the opposite of my issues and I think more men sit on that side of the fence otherwise they'd have nothing to complain about. Yes, "the market speaks", and yet again, you're worth more. You won. What more do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:02 PM
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More so than the equivalent man? Absolutely. Hence the worthlessness. That's where you're not getting it. It's not men "underestimating women", it's shame. Self hatred or rage as reaction makes little difference. If it didn't hurt men, they'd be indifferent. You already won. You're worth more. Everyone hears it daily. What's left? What is it you want now?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:51 PM
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More so than the equivalent man? Absolutely. Hence the worthlessness. That's where you're not getting it. It's not ego, it's shame. Self hatred or rage as reaction makes little difference. If it didn't hurt men, they'd be indifferent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:48 PM
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Being specific isn't really the point. It's the death by a thousand cuts that the ladies' general side will do - "patriarchy", "decentering men", you just need to level up, you're not worth as much in the dating market, "toxic masculinity", "male gaze", "weaponized incompetence", pile ons in every women's subreddit over any remotely "hey, maybe the guy wasn't ENTIRELY at fault when you broke up",, I'm afraid of men and avoid them at all cost, an all female society would be a massive relief... No…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:31 PM
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The second sentence in your title legit opposes the first one lol You can have an inflated ego AND be worth more in, ugh, the terminally online notion of the "dating market". All the while, the message to men is that they are worthless, not just in the "dating market", but basically in the eyes of God. Then the sprinkles, whipped cream, and cherry on top of "patriarchy, toxic masculinity, male gaze" and so on. The irony is that women feel unheard and yet the beehive of women's stated notions tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:28 PM
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Here's something to chew on: Why, when "women still don't take initiative" for the 9th time today, do we not play with its opposite? Im talking about qualities that have traditionally been associated with femininity, like listening to expertise, being emotionally intelligent, asking for help, accepting uncertainty, logically hunble, communicating with personal compassion, not being wreckless, being open to other points of view, and so on This "women don't take responsibility" horse has been beat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:32 PM
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Any given man is not the best in any given way. Your notion of "this man is clearly better than that other one" requires another person to evaluate people on the exact same merits when in reality, what's super important in a man to you might mean nothing to her and vice versa. Also "Alpha Widow" is a pretty good Spiderman villain
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:17 PM
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Yeah but most of it's just them bitching, as well. Though I can't imagine looking at shit THAT vile, THAT often and not coming away feeling way worse about the opposite sex than you seem to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:22 AM
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A lot of men just hate the way a household and a life is "correctly" run only by the way women tend to do it. I've linked this sub several times, but r/malesurvivingspace will show you an extreme example of what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:56 AM
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Counterpoint - I spent an entire philosophical debate this morning on having waffles or going to Starbucks. Did I want the fancy bougie on the outside option that involves a lot of money and latte status or the rustic homely low maintenance humble toaster that's yet only able to provide me with 2 possible foods and requires more labor?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:11 PM
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Gacy, Dahmer, Gein. To name a couple. Were arguably driven by a self-hating obsession over harmless parts of themselves - crossdressing, homosexuality - being so unacceptable that they could not live with the shame and guilt put on by society itself and became so twisted that they lost themselves entirely. Obviously they're extreme outliers but they illustrate the idea here. (Straight and cis people would've gone the same ways just as often if the shoe was on the other foot.) While there obvious…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:56 PM
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while frantically looking for blonde bbw face sitting free videos and blaming his failures on the suboptimal angle of his jaw See, that's where you're wrong, Lord Vader
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:11 PM
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Yes, just seems like a waste of time. Though to be fair it's Reddit; most of this place is a waste of time lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:31 PM
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Then why are you on this subreddit? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:26 PM
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Because Republicans exist too lmao The one sliver of time Democrats had a supermajority, Obamacare happened. Biden pulled out of Afghanistan (messily but at least he fuckin did it) after 20 years of failure and started zero new wars, he passed the IRA, CHIPS, almost had the refundable Child Tax Credit and would have with ONE more senate vote. If Republicans were in such a minority that they couldn't block these things or confirm any of their judges, do YOU think a lot of that wouldn't be done?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:31 PM
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Can't quit each other, can we? As much as we are pissed at the opposite sex, it's kind of in an "ugh, quit running away, hop in the car, you stupid, lovable asshole." Feminists are obsessed with men - patriarchy, toxic masculinity, male privilege? Would not be such gendered notions if women truly decentered men. It would be "Here's the exhaust port of the Death Star, blow it up." The manosphere is much more obvious in its obsession with women but none of those men would consume that content if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:26 PM
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I didn't so much as imply that it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:05 PM
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The issue I'm taking with your stance is that you're seeing this in black and white lenses. There are a handful of politicians who are genuinely minimally corrupt and cruel. The rest, corruption and cruelty is a spectrum. Trump lands at a staggering extreme of corruption and cruelty beyond anything we've seen in American politics, he pumps and dumps stonks on the daily. Nancy Pelosi insider trading can't even hold a candle to Trump. The closest you can get on corruption at least is Tea Pot Dome …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:00 PM
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Yeah, it sounds like getting off through giving cigarettes, if that's where you're going with it. Modern western diets are designed to be addictive and that kinda thing encourages it. But the provider angle is fascinating because I would've suspected "he wants to be squished".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:48 PM
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That makes sense but then.... what would you paint a picture of a sum total of your general clients as? Like if you had a paragraph description or whatever of a fictional character to build. How would you describe them? If you're so kind as to be interested in doing so. I enjoy human psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:44 PM
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Yeah feeders are... ehhhhh I'm not even sure how that's attractive to people but I also am not exactly in a position to yuck someone's yum (again, another damn unplanned pun ugh)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:41 PM
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Yup. That exact stigma actually led me to experiment with a guy and... nope, didn't do anything for me. But the shame and psychological mess it got to really hurt to ruminate on. And sure, the actual acts need to be kept in private and speaking of them needs to be kept to appropriate situations. But these things also shouldn't be completely covered up. Its also a fascinating yin and yang relationship between like prostates in men vs. Skene's glands in women. Or the much more on the nose one of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:39 PM
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I love how it's always bizarrely healthy food.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:32 PM
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A parallel reality where politicians are morally outstanding, uncompromised, and consistent in what they promise and do. If so, I'm sorry, you won't like it much here. That's my point entirely. All you're voting for is to get what you want. It doesn't matter how. That was MAGA's main wisdom and I give them credit for it. They chose a man who has violated every Christian principle, never been in a church, never opened a Bible, flouted actual Jesus sayings during Kirk's Wrestlemania funeral... And…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:30 PM
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You really don't think any men have redeemable qualities about them? Men are born out of women, as a basic biological fact. They carry half you. Is their blood tainted by the father? Are pure female genes what we need in order to create a master race and what does that say about such stances because...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:18 PM
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Me too, I actually find sex, if done right, to be more healing than therapy - and free if you have a partner you can trust. I find having biases functionally torn out of me by way of sexual power dynamics- older women, larger/stronger, pegging, spanking, anger, revenge taken out on me to be the most healing forms of it. There's a certain privilege in having engrained misogynistic biases and yet to be chosen, even trusted, as a vessel for another person to take hidden rage out on. Or just giving …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:15 PM
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Maybe not EVERYTHING but I certainly don't disagree lol So then I get curious when I'm chatting with someone who is in spots where it actually is the norm for men to let it slip... what're the shames you've noticed; and I'm wondering if I see myself in them. Or to what degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:05 PM
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Lol that's bolder than I am ALTHOUGH, I did have a knife to my throat once and that was like NO NO NO, NOT that far! I didn't know a safeword was necessary here, but like can we use "banana" or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:03 PM
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Most do it to please their partner, for fun or to express their misandry. Uh, aren't those forms of getting off? Or at least forms of enjoyment?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:59 PM
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Maybe it's shame. Like... i hold these thoughts and feelings. But I also hate myself for them. And having a femdom vengeance fantasy provides a sort of emotional exorcism. It's a lot harder to see women as any sort of lesser when one's fucked your actual ass. You couldn't hold those thoughts with a straight face even privately. (At least, that's part of how it works for me and it is healing and I hope helpful for others in the external side of life... I was raised Catholic if you can't tell.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:56 PM
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I genuinely don't think men are "naturally the submissive ssx" so much as naturally the hierarchical one and less ambiguous. I'm subby but I can't get off unless there's actually a believable power imbalance in her favor. The biggest problem with submissive men is shame from that because when women speak of it, it's much less likely to be a judge of rank.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:42 PM
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Yeeeeeeeeahhhh.... blood is a no go zone to me. I don't care which side of the equation/genders/subby/dommy, etc. I'm kinda fascinated if this is the most common hard line in kinky shit. It's like, I love subbing but pls don't go Texas Chainsaw Massacre on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:38 PM
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But then the left gets pestered constantly over purity tests and a big tent. A tattoo, mind you not of the SS sign nor the swastika, from 25 years ago does not equal Nazi today. In any case, Platner is out regardless. But the cat is already out of the bag, politics is already so immoral, that I'll vote for my asshole over your squeaky clean saint any day of the week. Because that's the game we're in now, whether anyone likes it or not. And MAGA started it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:27 PM
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For a lot of men, particularly left leaning ones, male attraction is seen as a threat by the people and groups those men care about and want belonging from. Whatever male attraction is seen as by right wingers and manosphere types is irrelevant to me because I don't like those people anyway. Understandable as to why male attraction is seen as something to be leery of given basic biological reality - men large. But nevertheless, there's worse in the ether than "shallow and bad". It still kinda hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:23 AM
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Usually the others taken advantage of are other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:09 AM
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You may just be aromantic, asexual, or both. Lots of men want someone to care for them and hug them and the softness of women and disgusting shit like that. Yes, men are more physical but it isn't a sex thing exclusively
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:26 PM
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Just do online dating if you're going to be that obvious. Hovering over women's hobbies is too on the nose. Pick something that has women in it, if you're gonna do that, that you actually enjoy - so when inevitably you don't catch any fish, you still have something non-miserable going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:49 PM
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You're shrinking a larger problem. Men are not taught what men being mistreated or taken advantage of even looks like. And if they are, they're not taught to do anything about it. But this is not just relationships - it's from bosses, parents, customers, strangers, friends, frats, teammates, coaches, teachers, job structures, even government policies, etc. Instead, they're taught that mistreatment and suffering builds character. And the trick is finding a way for men to address this that fits, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:35 PM
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Okay, dumb it down for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:48 PM
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Upfront. Women make more of the decisions, or at least the portion of the decisions, especially now that finances are on par. Back when men made the money, men made the portion of decisions much more than they do now. That's how my grandparents did it because she stayed home and he made all the money. Because in our heads it's basically your money vs. Ours. And absolutely call bullshit on "the majority of consumer decisions are chores women do", hell no, women decide what is needed and what they…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:33 PM
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Often yes. Input at all doesn't mean equal input. Again, I'm not saying this is women's fault. It's men's, if anything, for valorizong self sacrifice in such ways, particularly with women. In my marriage, I got a major say in cars, homes, wedding venue, etc. and anything I have to bitch about is entirely my doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:12 PM
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I think they have an equal say on both, they just don't use it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:09 PM
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It's the happy wife, happy life trap. It's not about cleanliness levels. (r/malesurvivingspace is one of my favorite subreddits because it gives very striking imagery. Of course, it's the most extreme version of this and often involuntary...) Women are something like 80 percent of consumer decision makers. If you don't think this disharmony is in no small part "she picked 20 dogs and a McMansion that he gritted his teeth into agreeing to and she expects him to do most of the work for", you're wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:43 PM
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And Donald Trump's a Christian? If anything, politicians protect their weakest flank from their own voters. For Trump, that meant giving conservative Christians more than anyone ever has. I don't think it's absurd to say Platner may have done the same for feminism. Who gives a fuck if they care or not, most politicians don't anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:32 PM
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I just did. I think there's a social function to it writ large. A sense of belonging, more or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:07 AM
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Yup. Systemic oppression for me, bootstraps for thee
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:24 AM
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Women are social gatekeepers for men. If you are chosen by a woman, you feel like you have proof that you aren't a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:18 AM
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It's not. It's jealousy. What I wouldn't give to be pretty, worth protecting, chased, not be the center of attention pressured to perform all the time (and failing), less intimidating, more joyful, emotionally trusted, worthy of love, have a full childhood that doesn't end at 8, proposed to, blend in, capable of saying "you should level up", seen as good and wonderful, not seen as a problem to solve, worth staggering sacrifice and resources from the opposite sex... most of all rescued and safe..…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:35 PM
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For a lot of people, partnerships provide at least the hope of bonding with somebody for the rest of their lives. To say nothing of sex. And fwiw, the idea that the younger generation is somehow apathetic to dating and sex and relationships is belied by gestures at everything At best, you could argue that a lot are more content single but the ones who are not are e.g. going full off the deep end on incel rabbit holes. And intense feminist ones that go beyond something like "pay gap", "glass ceil…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:39 AM
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Sure, but that's kinda the point. Singlehood for women generally comes with a support system men don't have. And so, in terms of dating, that, among other things, is a big factor behind why men are more thirsty.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:34 AM
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Ether way, " why" isn't really the point
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:14 AM
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Because physical attractiveness is simply lower on the totem pole than you're putting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:42 PM
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Idk how we've come full circle to hyperfocus on men's physical attractiveness when it's either not there compared to women's or a much less important. (Height might be the exception!) But the dudes hyperfocusing on male physical features are either gay or projecting the degree of importance they place on women's physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:33 PM
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Not in the dating and sex game, compared to what women offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:24 PM
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A lot more men don't give a shit, the ones that do are just way more intense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:13 PM
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Here's a fun one to play around with: Men and women are drifting apart fast in a cosmic subconscious collective "choice" to decrease fertility just in time to prevent full frontal climate collapse. And this is an ultimately harmonious, positive, yin and yang, progression through cycles much larger than ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:59 PM
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The rate of singlehood among 18 to 25 year olds (Gen z) is 2/3 for men vs 1/3 for women Among 30 somethings (millennials) its much closer to even Hell, just 10 years ago, the rate of single hood among 18 to 25 (millennials) was relatively even between men and women The huge chasm between men being single and women being partnered in Gen Z's 18 to 25 year old demographic - which will likely persist at least more than prior generations - is all you need to know for the whole gender war and manosph…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:54 PM
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No, that's because men as a group are less valuable Or rather, less valuable to women than vice versa Even if you have an edge case of "Chad", that really doesn't mean anything to 99 percent of men "Chad" isn't gonna be able to juggle 500,000 different chicks every night. The most plausible scenario with that is many women getting one night with "Chad" but then going back to regular life. But women are opting for singlehood and other women (yes, even straight women) over men, too Men are not val…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:45 PM
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With men being the larger and more physically threatening gender, it has never made any sense to me why men should pursue. Maybe the only reason it exists that way is because men are the only ones that want relationships and sex enough to do it. Otherwise, all else equal, like 90 percent of women would rather be single or shack up with their female friends. That kind of thing has gotten way more attention from feminists over the last few years too. And it's probably the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:40 PM
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Dude, if i could post pics of my feet every 6 months and make enough money to never have to work, I'd do that 10x faster than any woman I've ever met.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:36 PM
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There's just disharmony in men's standards vs. women's, generally. You can just as easily say men should have higher standards. But we don't. At least, I don't. "Can we exist together and laugh and have fun?" pretty much the only question I've ever had. Though, to some degree, I honestly feel like women are pressured to have high standards while men are pressured to have low ones...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:33 PM
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Neither. It's one thing to be attracted to hard work. Another to be attracted to results. And a bold opinion to say a man can control how much he makes - if i could, I'd probably have pressed the "I make a billion dollars now" button awhile back. Men have no more control over how much money they make than women do. Certainly in 2026. Some of the hardest working people out there are fry cooks on minimum wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:25 PM
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I've tried sharing both, including the simplest explanation of the dynamic at play. You can agree with it or not. But you can't say you don't know what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:21 PM
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Because they are attracted to what men can do for them, not men themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:17 PM
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To no greater an extent than beautiful women bought rich men. On a macro level, yes, human relationships and species propagation is a transactional thing. All im saying - women are worth more now. To turn it into a "well i guess men just need to work harder" avoids the transaction. (And again, I'm speaking of systemic dynamics here, not whether one person's husband is a hobosexual slob.)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:34 AM
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Traditionally, Men's providership = women's beauty Now, Men's providership < women's beauty AND providership Put simply, as a basic way of framing it - we live in a world now where women add 100 dollars of value to relationships, men add 50. I'm not sure how to better explain that. But if you zoom out, you'll see this play out in macro gender dynamics everywhere. Including the whole incel/manosphere/right wing etc. pipeline.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:12 AM
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Women can offer more than men. End of story. Everything men can. Plus physical attractiveness. And that's at the least. There's disharmony. Men have less value in the realm of relationships than women do, speaking on a society wide level - not "but I love my bf and he means the world to me!" Just... taken altogether, women won. You are worth more. Congratulations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:57 AM
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"Men, on the whole, are never going to be able to offer an equal exchange of desirability, at least under current dynamics."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:49 AM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/health-34744903 Even straight women experience remarkable rates of arousal towards other women while lesbians show no such thing towards men - the hypothesis is that lesbian brains operate more closely to straight males and thus the different dynamics of sexual attractiveness persist in women's favor - i.e. they're more likely to be seen as beautiful https://jhr.uwpress.org/content/58/1/260 Even in Norway, the most gender equal country on earth, hypergamy hasn't declined…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:33 PM
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Anecdotes aren't data. Traditional gender roles offered equal exchange- physical attraction vs. providership Modern gender roles do not. Men, on the whole, are never going to be able to offer an equal exchange of desirability, at least under current dynamics. Is it possible? Sure. Do i have any idea how you could achieve that balance again in a new way? No. That tension is all the "gender war" is. You've got the power in the specific area of romantic and sexual relationships. You can now offer 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:16 PM
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Nope but It's also not so simple. You don't get to keep 1950s providership with 2026 double the competition - because women are up against you now too To say nothing of zero tolerance school policies and student loan debt that men are much more risk averse towards Which means women are fast outearning men, still expect hypergamy, want a heads i win - tails you lose dynamic for themselves in terms of 1950s gender roles with 2026 power dynamics Gee, I wonder why so many Gen Z men want 1950s trad w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:00 PM
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That's basically what I'm saying too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:50 PM
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If she TRULY enjoys it, nothing. But probably 99% of those cases are under duress Although it'll obviously depend on the degree of bad
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:49 PM
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Yup. I think getting overly descriptive "good masculine, men who have self respect, have self control, have backbone" derails your point a bit by turning it into gender role contention. But overall, "Men who just accept whatever women want indefinitely eventually get sick of it as anybody will and snap, thus are risky" is a completely accurate point. Pressurized anger does exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:00 PM
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He is acting shittily himself though. It makes doing shitty to be a shitty partner. Doesn't mean there's not a lot of predictable bad relationships women get into but to gloss over "he decided to deck me in the face" is a laughable omission in the equation here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:55 PM
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It's not always easy to figure out who is and isn't a risky partner ahead of time and it's frankly impossible to say women should give more men chances yet blame them every time it goes tits up (pun intended) Yes, I do agree though there are many instances where women pick a very predictable shit partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:53 PM
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That's not calling it cope, that is precisely calling it guesswork. Pulling it out of your ass is guessing. Motivated reasoning is almost always behind it in this kind of forum though Doesn't mean motivated reasoning is automatically wrong 100 percent of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:44 PM
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Idk how you're conflating dating with politics. I would say it's more moral to vote for the asshole that does good in office than the one that does bad. Had he stayed, you should happily vote for Platner if you care about women's rights and feminism because that's practicality. But romantically? Fuck yeah, stay away from that dude and oppose him fiercely on a random guy level.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:42 PM
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I agree on simple moral grounds that no fault divorce is, well, a no brainer. People have a right to basic freedom. You can and always should be free to leave a man for any and no reason at all. Regardless of husband death data either way. But it's more just frankly frustrating the degree to which expecting the meh nature of basic predictable human behavior is thrown out the window for romance novel fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:34 PM
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This has to be bait because the notion that men make any better partners is a completely unfounded one and frankly kinda absurd. I do agree that women make shit partners in ways that fly well under the radar and are thus unaddressed. But I think that's the extent of the difference. If anything, men make worse, at least far riskier partners. It's just way more obvious how. And generally, a few men make EXTREMELY shit and outright dangerous partners while many women make vaguely, kinda crappy ones…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:30 PM
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Lower standards and passionless relationships are extremely different from hateful ones. The former is a great foundation for long term stability - people will change, sometimes in large ways like politics and religion, practicality will take over from grand romantic gestures, love will change forms from passionate words to "you should probably see the fucking doctor about that" or patiently listening to your partner rant about a thing you've no interest in, or they'll lose a job or some core pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:12 PM
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Maybe patriarchy and toxic masculinity as concepts create a barrier from actually helping boys because "well, you have the advantages, so if you're failing, it's your fault and you're twice as pathetic for it".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:04 PM
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Women are just more okay being single, at least in the current moment. It's that simple. And it's low key humiliating for men because we're supposed to be stronger in every way, at all times. An unrealistic pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:34 PM
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Honestly, the weirdest thing is the way many women will speak poorly about men as a generality and then seem genuinely surprised that an individual would take that personally. Do they not think their words carry weight? Are they truly surprised that many men would take things like "patriarchy", "toxic masculinity", and "male privilege" as "yeah, you're a man and so everything bad in life is your fault". Are they just being disingenuous and like to see men squirm as some vague revenge in the ethe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:15 PM
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Their wants matter more and are the default "correct" ones in society. They gatekeep propagation of the species. I'd say they are seen that way whether people realize it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:52 PM
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You're taking this to an extreme. I'm merely saying lower standards are more sustainable
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:56 AM
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That anybody pulling out evo psych, particularly on reddit, is guessing?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:54 AM
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Yes. I do think that's realistic as a relationship expectation and an ideal one at that. Note that expectations and realities aren't the same. Just that low expectations are easy to clear and it makes it easier to be appreciated by your partner and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:54 AM
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It's certainly unfair to men. And one of many reasons why "patriarchy" is bullshit. But it's also just reality. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:33 AM
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When did I say anybody was coping
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:10 AM
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Evolutionary psychology is both legit and bastardized into "i have this trait, here's how it saved me from lions" and then they'll pull anything they want out of their ass to explain why their preferred kind of person is the best one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:42 AM
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All hail the mighty cow shit crusaders!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:27 AM
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But you're adding that as an assumption Do all richer men who value sex in a relationship see it that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:27 AM
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Someone thought it was a good idea to eat that psilocybin shroom growing out of cow shit. And thank God they did!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:45 PM
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Excuse me, SES?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:44 PM
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I understand it isn't, at least typically lol But the question was just if patriarchy was included in therapy and I was merely answering that as a hypothesis
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:15 PM
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No im probably communicating like shit Basically I'm saying that I think its generally the rule that what you see out of a man is what you get Whereas, I've noticed a woman who has a dominant public personality may be profoundly submissive in bed While a man with a dominant public personality is likely the same way in bed. Doesn't mean it's a law of physics. But in the example above, with dominant woman being submissive in bed, I genuinely don't understand that. As a sub in the bed, I'm pretty s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:05 PM
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We're speaking simply in terms of what someone values in a relationship - not all this other stuff you're attaching which may or may not be present Hypergamy among many women is well documented, the importance of sex for many men, too A 200k lady is going to likely want a 250k man over a 30k one - and 200k is far from survival money Meanwhile, for men, they are simply less likely to care You can guess how and why all day long You can also add on whatever other things to it and accuse men as a gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:58 PM
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But that belies the possibility that accepting imperfect is an important part of long term relationship sustainability I'm not arguing that every couple need allow for polyamory - I'd wager a good majority of gay male couples don't themselves- but things like your partner watching porn, nontraditional living set ups, lower expectations around romance and labor- are all placing a relationship in a more realistic framework. Also, way to dive into homophobia when the rubber meets the road (pun part…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:44 PM
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Yup. Humans have had to adapt to a multitude of roles depending on circumstances. If a woman dies in childbirth, who but the father is in the most feasible position to raise the child? WW2 was a pretty recent example of the opposite - who could take care of the manly tasks at home but women if the men were across the ocean?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:27 PM
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That's true of men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:17 PM
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Because men are typically the same across the board and you'll see this in terms of kinks as well. Aggressive men tend to be aggressive in bed. Subby ones tend to be subby in bed. It's the same issue writ large feminism has run up against with men overall in the current era. We aren't going to just occupy ten different angles and I've no idea how someone could. The reason men have become disenchanted with feminism is because life has become less of a shared and thus easier constant burden than a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:16 PM
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Which is exactly what I'm saying lol And that's not a shitty thing about men but the reality of looking for at least semi contradictory traits in another person
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:04 PM
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Yup. Perceptions of the past are very often skewed and updated and there's much difference between groups of humans anyway - which you basically said. I'm just cosigning A decent notion of how collectives survive is via biodiversity Humans didn't get through all this time by relying on one type of man or person The reason varying personality traits exist is because varying needs do The kind of extroverted man that'll shoot the shit at the bar and have the gift of gab is probably good for the per…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:56 PM
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That's basically what I'm saying...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:52 PM
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It can literally be anything Say you're really into a woman because she gives great hugs, is that not objectifying her physical body too? ( i think it's unfair to ourselves to paint men as driven by sex to the degree we do because there's a lot more to it than JUST that in most cases) But sex in itself is a neutral motivation. It depends on what you do. And the degree to which modern western feminism implies that men are guilty of thought crimes (the "male gaze") makes it impossible to really co…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:18 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:03 PM
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The initial topic was how do you feel about patriarchy being used in therapy 🙄 Not "what has your personal experience been with therapy" I merely think patriarchy is a bullshit framing of society My personal experience has been a years long journey to just being honest about how I actually feel instead of lying to either make other people or myself feel better, or feel like I belong, or twist my initial thinking so much to make it sound better I'd love to feel over the moon about women as a grou…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:51 PM
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The bubonic plague felt "right" and worked "well" for 1/3 of Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:44 PM
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Talk, ifs, emdr, exposure therapy for ocd, probably others Have done so for a long time
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:42 PM
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Way to move the goal posts by about 20 miles
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:40 PM
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I actually have. Which is the funny part.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:40 PM
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You can find a degree of anything but that's an absurdly high standard and no wonder men are frustrated with it all Our standards are basically "she exists" and that gets translated as "he doesn't care about me as an individual"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:22 PM
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"It's hard to find contradictory traits in another person" (exciting and daring but boringly stable and consistent, in this case) Is a laughable statement. Not that plenty of men don't have unrealistic notions, but this is cartoonishly implausible and a prefect example of "women's expectations of men are too high" A prelude to the simple data of Gay men > straights > lesbians at relationship sustainability Men tend to be fine with blah in a relationship more than women If you forget a birthday o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:55 PM
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Yes except "but progressives" looks like an insecurity over criticisms of traditionalism
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:48 PM
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Everything has to be evaluated individually, so sure, but this original post is not about progressivism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:44 PM
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The problem with the thing is that every woman is different - you have a spectrum from women who want men to intensively pursue them all the way to women who want nothing to do with men at all Which creates a dynamic where the risk of her being the latter isn't worth the hope that she's the former In that way, both are ever frustrated because many men are terrified of trying to become close to women, which leaves the only ones striking up a conversation those bold enough to disregard a woman's p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:30 PM
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*easier Western women reveal a relatively higher preference for singlehood once women reach socioeconomic parity with men and are thus harder to get for men than vice versa. If and when those other countries achieve gender equality, it'll be the exact same. (As an aside, I think western society sends the message to men that men are so innately evil that a gf, marriage, and family become foundational proof to him that he's not a bad person Women don't have to worry about needing men as such impor…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:03 PM
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Grog find stick. Grog wave around. Grog achieve inner peace!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:57 PM
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There's this bizarre fantasy where people seem to think "humans survived the past like this" means "it was good".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:18 PM
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But not for women to?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:31 PM
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Everybody, unless they're taking on a broody persona, it's going to see themselves as a good person. As for the rest, again, where are those incompatible with my original list of traits? You could dovetail this neatly into the bell curve point i made earlier though, because yes, taken to an absolute, you can absolutely create hateful and resentful men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:00 PM
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When did I say he couldn't take care of himself? Are those things incompatible with showering? It sounds like you're audaciously speedrunning assumptions about general dispositions and behaviors because it's uncomfortable to accept that many women don't actually want a good man - they want a man that's got the maximum amount of good left over after they can get what they want out of him first.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:50 PM
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Never said sex was a need dude Just that liking it a lot doesn't make you a bad person
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:32 PM
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Uses his time for others, does selfless things that go against the grain of what would benefit him personally, let's go of outcomes and does the right thing when it's not the thing with the biggest payoff, spends quality time with people he cares about, ponders his mortality daily, helps people who can do nothing for him And of course is super imperfect at any of those things but at least has them as a moral compass... All of that, zero exceptions, is opposed to conventional success in the moder…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:29 PM
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Then take it up with the manager I just work here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:25 PM
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You're again arguing reflexively against something I'm not saying. The point isn't "women need to do all of the sex for men" it's "Men aren't inherently bad for really wanting sex"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:22 PM
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Because you're not servants to men...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:14 PM
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"Men are the problem with everything." That'll be 90 bucks and we need to see you on a weekly basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:13 PM
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And if he's communicating his side of things upfront and risking a negative reaction by admitting it, the honesty is a hell of a lot less selfish than lying or living in denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:56 PM
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Wanting sex is selfish now? Okay, so wanting an iPhone is also selfish now because you want access to the BODY of the humans who work to put the thing together - ship it, assemble it in the factories where they had to put nets up to keep workers from jumping off the building in misery, program and engineer it while doing 80 hrs a week, mine the minerals for it, etc. etc. etc. - wanting pretty much anything on earth involves wanting access to a body that makes it. And wanting something is, yet ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:51 PM
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Lol no Sex is obviously less tied to survival than food and people will share food or even give their entire plate to someone hungry Again, it absolutely can make for a selfish person but sex being even the most prevailing drive for someone doesn't mean he has to act any which way on it People have agency
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:30 AM
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Or you could accept that social norms point people in different directions as to where they find emotional closeness, how often, and so on. Sure, if a guy uses a woman as a means to an end, yeah, he's an asshole. But again, finding sex to be an important, even the most important, part of life is not in itself even selfish. You can choose what to do with it. And there's not some right or wrong way to have intimacy and find closeness with a partner, provided both parties are down for It. And, sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:21 PM
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What caricature of men are you yelling at? https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-erotic-brain/202606/what-couples-get-wrong-about-male-sexual-desire You can say the exact same stuff the other way about men as wallets and have just as strong an argument (hypergamy) Valuing sex more or just having a higher sex drive or even considering sex a very important part of life or a deal breaker in a relationship? NONE of those are an entitlement to sex in themselves anyway. (Obviously they COULD be.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:48 PM
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Yup. Although, there's also personal trade offs - for instance, anything with poop bothers me so much that I'd trade basically every other chore just to not have to deal with that one Both of us hate dishes though lol Other than that, I take care of almost all the rest - and that's fine by me because of how much I hate like one thing lol All that said, I think it's really good if couples role swap every once in awhile to get perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:52 PM
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On some level Like I said, you could argue a bell curve where mildly successful men are peak kind
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:43 PM
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Well I'm sorry I said it that way. Because yeah, the men who expect women to do everything perfectly while not doing jack shit are way worse on the totem pole than anybody But I think its fair enough to say that also a lot of people overdo shit. Experimentally, I think it would be interesting to see those men's reactions if their wives speedrun a good half assing of the chores. Because if they become pretentious snots about it, then they don't deserve the partner at all. That'd be the clue, at l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:42 PM
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Actually, yes. You speak as if "don't do this perfectly" means "starve to death and never have clean clothes" I just half ass everything and get it all done in about 30 minutes •A minimal amount of dishes kept so it's fast to do •Healthy microwaved food eaten (air fryer if I'm feeling bougie), rotisserie chicken •shower and scrub down for 5 or 10 minutes •vacuum then mop with a bath towel and clean it on hot in the washer with a ton of detergent and deep double rinse, •Clean clothes chucked in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:24 PM
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Then think it's bullshit, I'm not commanding you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:19 PM
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Which is exactly what OP said lmao But because he merely used the word "women" instead of swapping it out it's wrong? By that logic, the two words "decentering men" renders any "decentering of men" invalid. Abracadabra his point is invalid because he said "women"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:09 PM
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Then rephrase OP in a way that WOULD decenter women and enlighten me. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:44 PM
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The original post was about men accepting women's behavior as it is generally You're arguing that such a thing is centering women when my main point is simple - identifying, accepting, and letting go of other people's behavior is the opposite because such a thing is applicable to anybody You're free to argue that such a thing is still centering women, I simply disagree. Or that if it is, then "centering" anybody is so overly broad that it's meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:30 PM
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A successful man and a good one are damn near mutually exclusive. At least on a spectrum. The more successful you get, the more likely you are to be an increasingly bad person. At most this exists on a bell curve where the most kind men are mildly successful relative to the full range.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:05 PM
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Why is trying to follow patterns of behavior an exclusively "at female" deal? It's just as important to follow the patterns of behavior among men, among individuals, among society, among the human population regardless of gender, among generally everything. And to orient yourself accordingly- which is a gender neutral reality. That you may recognize specific nuance in the general behavioral trends of one gender or the other, or any given slice of the population, does not center them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:02 PM
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All of men's social pressures are only half the fault of women. It's not like we're encouraging each other to drop out, be content on minimum wage jobs in a trailer park, talking about the day at the laundromat, whatever. Maybe we should! Men are half of society anyway. Women can work. Let them keep it all going if they want. How much does anything really need done anymore? I dream of a life for the next generation where they don't ever need to work. Certainly not around toxic fumes and on night…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:50 PM
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Shit, just go full frontal monastery at this point if we're casting such a wide net that "women can do X, accept it, move on" is still blaming women. I need a toga, a beer, and the Tao te Ching at this point. Practice detachment. Attain enlightenment. Eliminate all desire. There's only this moment. Namaste.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:36 PM
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No, the opposite. Chill and stop doing all of that. It just angers you. Better to live in a messy ass house.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:53 AM
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Again, if it's that bad, then don't do it lol Seriously, just don't do it I'm not gaslighting you. I'm saying fuck it, if you don't like men, or a specific man, or both, quit clinging to a damn reason and go on with your life It's like you want men to change how they really are into something you want and are enraged by them because they don't. we'd like for you to change to what we want and you're not going to either. What is it that you're after? Recognition? Praise? A piñata to yell at? Maybe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:42 AM
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Okay then don't do it. For fucks sake lol The insults and screaming about the dishes is worse than leaving them dirty in the sink for a week. The insults and screaming over cooking is worse than just buying a rotisserie chicken and chowing down The insults and screaming over the laundry is worse than just dumping the clean clothes in their own hamper and picking em out of there All that effort you guys tout and it can so easily become worse than if you just did nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:41 AM
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Well, this entire repetitive diatribe about how lazy and awful men are sure doesn't help on the resentment part. What's fair share, who works harder, what's necessary, what measurements are you using, to what degree, who is better suited to what, which chores does one hate more, who is responsible for deciding what, etc etc etc. Does an hour of mowing grass in 110 F weather count the same as an hour inside at room temperature doing dishes? It might! It might not. Up to individuals. If you don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:30 AM
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That's your prerogative I'm just saying, its not "give me all your money"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:22 AM
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Most ppl I've seen like this basically just want off the merry go round, They want it to be sustainable to live a clock in and clock out life - a small apartment, no name condo, shitty house, etc. So whenever I hear "they're blaming rich people because they're not rich", I'm left with the glaring sense that there's a fundamental disconnect between what some people actually want from life and what other people assume. They blame rich people for designing a society that doesn't have an idgaf pocke…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:36 AM
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Right Fat acceptance, invisible illness, they'll spend thousands on a special needs dog But a male, however? Can't do it even if the complaint is him making less money or being shorter. At least even a part time burger flipper can make SOME money while a dog or some such deal is a pure money pit - and absolutely, it's a worthwhile one If i had to choose between being single at X amount of money and being partnered at the exact same amount of money, I'd choose partnered in a heartbeat. All I'd ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:05 AM
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Dirty laundry go in dirty hamper Clean laundry go in clean hamper A few formal things get hung up in closet Laundry done! Rotisserie chicken at grocery store. Rip into like vulture. Cooking done! 6 spoons, 3 forks, 4 sharpish knives, 2 bowl/plate hybrid looking dishes, 4 metal tumblers for hot or cold drinks that don't shatter when dropped, a backup set of paper plates. Dishes done for a family of 4! Weed whacker spot treatment on the yard, uneven cuts to give a naturally grazed savannah vibe. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:52 AM
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That's one of them!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:43 AM
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Which is true. But doesn't cover the nuance of how confusing it is that women still want rich and accomplished men while villifying them politically. But they sure af aren't wrong about how awful capitalism is when taken to the extent we have taken it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:42 AM
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You can say the exact same thing in regards to providership when it comes to women and "taking the easy way out". It feels like cheating and yet is perfectly logical to e.g. put a step mom in the mix to help you parent. Or to take hundreds of thousands out in student loans and want it forgiven. People have an extra layer of existential misery tied their gender roles and resent the other not having to deal with it. I'm often jealous of how matter of factly women can navigate education and jobs re…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:34 AM
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This is way too narrow But the point intrigues me I've often thought that men should be primary caregivers while women should be primary earners because of traditional gender roles Women don't have an existential crisis over being a perfect provider. Men don't have an existential crisis over being a perfect parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:31 AM
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I've noticed this too but at the same time, it usually doesn't derail the points
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:27 AM
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Perhaps a better way to phrase it is "red pill correctly identifies the criteria most likely to lead to male success"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:24 AM
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Yes they do. Who is elon musk,
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:04 AM
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It doesn't work because blue pill doesn't offer so much as any acknowledgement of the issues younger men face rn - sky high rates of singlehood, declining job prospects, dating app discrepancies, hypergamy, 80/20, and the simple reality that it's out of bounds in progressive circles to say "men are better than women" about anything. All assholes aren't successful men but all successful men are assholes isn't that bad a rule of thumb. Look at leadership roles and sexual success. Nice guys do usua…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:46 PM
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I low key think we're in agreement on at least some capacity here but do you at least see how this framing could come off the way I'm describing? I suppose the biggest contention here is that what you're referring to as neglect is what I'd see as overattention. (Coddling) If your argument is that boys need to have the same general childhood upbringing as girls and e.g. be expected to pick up after themselves, deal with the consequences of bad grades, do their own laundry, and whatever else is ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:28 PM
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You've somehow spun an original post of "boys are coddled" into child neglect lol And my main point was simply that coddling is not some uniquely male thing, it happens with girls too, just in different forms 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:46 PM
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I've gotta be completely honest, jf you're going to purposely be obtuse to the point where you just pretend to not be doing what you are doing - assuming the worst about men or assuming that you know what their situation is - (in this case, i wasn't neglected, neglect, neglecting, etc. but you're going with that regardless i guess.) - in the subset of a post that assumes the worst about men, then what's the point of even talking? I'm tired, man lol You know what you're saying and how it comes of…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:12 PM
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I don't - i feel like you do. "Here's a shit ton of negative assumptions about you, why would you feel like I see men that way?" Lol To say nothing of the million and one other notions that fly around - granted gets are plenty of negative ones thrown back at women tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:42 PM
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🙄 men bad and defective. what else does your crystal ball say?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:04 PM
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Mmk. Continue to believe women are emotionally enlightened beings and that men are pampered little babies and smuggle that obvious resentment in a suitcase full of language that makes you sound concerned for their well being when you're really just jealous of what you wish their lives were. Because if men have it better there's something better life could've been At least when men are pissed at women, they don't pretend it's a concern for their well being.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:16 PM
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I only said OP was saying that mom and grandma were to blame, which, if you read through the post, is merely what she did say How is the subject being changed? The implication is that boys are somehow coddled in an exclusively intense way and what I'm arguing is essentially "no more than girls, we just don't identify that same dynamic because it looks different". As for disrespect? The notion that men are just adult children by way of social norms and the assumption that you, as in women, know t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:14 PM
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Where did i ever say a man wasn't responsible for himself? And sure, men and fathers absolutely play a role. But this entire thing is being derailed from my main point which is the notion that coddling boys is some constant part of their upbringing. I'd argue at the very least that women are coddled too but you're only identifying forms of coddling that look familiar to you in men. For instance, we could go on an entire adventure about asking for help here if we wanted to. Or the hope that you'l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:14 PM
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Fair point. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:41 PM
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An aromatic experience if ever there was one Props
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:37 PM
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Women have the same issues, they're just more polite about it. This comes off as a vent about a man in your personal life where you're using the rest of us as a piñata. I'm not sure how stereotyping an entire gender is itself compatible with a long term relationship either. That's gonna stack up into a death by a thousand cuts thing. And if a man can stick that out, he's the one more suited for a long term relationship. To say nothing of basic data around the sustainability of relationships by s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:31 PM
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What's the semen one smell like?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:20 PM
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Where did you get the narrow notion that Walt Disney cast a spell on the entire population and that's what started every gender issue ever? As if this tension along gender archetypes just never existed for millennia before Disney? I've never contended that the Disney princess villains WEREN'T at least perceivable as wonderful at their core throughout this entire exchange. You're free to disagree but I've been consistent on my end there. So... Where am I lying from the start here? Disney villains…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:18 PM
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But thats kinda something along the lines of my main point about gendered stuff overall How is it logical to complain about the pink tax while also trashing men for buying rocket launcher musk scented deodorant? If you don't like the pink tax, why buy the pink version? Why not also smell like a battle tank? Imo, gendered stuff is just downstream of which gender had it first and not some "men don't realize how much they suck" deal Pink guns, camo spa days, whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:08 PM
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You're the one that brought up these fictional characters lol I'd rather argue about how people are/tend to be irl I'll also ignore insults because they derail the substance of the argument I'm winning 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:50 PM
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Yes, I think those villains personae give off "embittered but deep down angelic" vibes. What's a name prove? It's a surface thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:39 PM
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Ever heard of exaggeration dude? What objectivity is available in terms of your perspective of the internal states of fictional characters? Meanwhile, you're writing entire lengthy essays over what men's REAL lives are purportedly like and I'm the one "seeing what I want to see"? After I downright admitted that "what I want to see" is incorrect from the jump anyway? lol We've established that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:36 PM
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The fact that you don't even acknowledge the concrete examples i gave above is a much bigger problem There's a priorities thing going on here I like my tobacco and oud scented candles anyway Perhaps there's a general gender difference in what kind of clothes and esthetic things either gender wants and companies are just offering what customers buy And what customers buy actually is what they want? The only pencils and notebooks I've ever seen gendered are women's, for one For two, there's this w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:32 PM
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People say anything Watch what they actually pick a majority of the time Again, you're reducing this to clothes instead of things that actually matter
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:25 PM
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I'm reducing women by analyzing a possible perspective on the internal states of fictional characters? Again, women villains are portrayed as women are wonderful at their core, just veered away from it. Dramatized as fictional personas always are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:23 PM
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It's a way better argument than filling in the blanks of how half the population grows up. I at least realize that I've got no idea what women's personal experiences ACTUALLY are while I also harbor jealousy when I fill in the blanks about what I think would be so much better about their lives. While you're over here writing a novel about 4 billion people you've had no experience being.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:19 PM
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Women enforce that more than anybody. Revealed preferences are a hell of a drug. Narrow aesthetic options are a far less pain in the ass than expectations of 30,000 dollar weddings, hypergamy, dirty and dangerous work, etc. You're hopping on small problems to avoid big ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:15 PM
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🙄 you do understand that reducing a point down to absolutist stereotypes is a patented logical fallacy, right? Meanwhile, at least as many women see men as natural providers, protectors, and built to sacrifice their lives for you. While that's completely untrue. You think I have any more innate desire to step in front of a bullet for a random woman than she does me? These things just damage everybody. "It's natural for women to do X, it's natural for men to do Y" means no appreciation for anothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:11 PM
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Have you ever lived as a boy or a man? Lmao. Because the story you are telling yourself almost never happens. To say nothing of, well, the responsibility of parents and elders to properly socialize kids. Your own example in itself is blaming mom and grandma for how boys turn out and you just blow right by that part. But yeah, you're relying on "failure to launch" movie stereotypes to fill in the blanks of lives you've no way of living.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:05 PM
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No but exposed to the notion that women are wonderful is their default state. Fwiw, I don't even disagree to that last sentence. But both being lied to and lying to yourself can exist together.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:59 PM
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There's nothing wrong with it but that paints over the typical lifelong grief of what you've missed out on since you first absorbed the male social norms from about 8 years old - make yourself miserable to attain worthiness. You've jettisoned your interests, hobbies, and sense of self at the altar of a gendered social contract (providership) that you burn out from the moment romance starts becoming "no". The entire male social role is suvjecting yourself to misery and a life of shit you don't wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:53 PM
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It ebbs and flows and we're currently on a bit of a rightward social pull. But in the grand scheme of things, I can't say clothing options for men have ever been more varied. There's also a matter of what clothes are available versus what are chosen. In practice, I've not seen much overall difference in actually-worn clothing diversity between either gender these days. To say nothing of how small a slice of gender dynamics clothes are in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:45 PM
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I suppose by extension I need to be on the look out for the Eye of Sauron and Death Star? Fundamentally, Disney lady villains are also either bitter older versions of the same thing the princesses are or jealous of them. Or both. That core is still not different. In both cases "women are wonderful" is still the core assumption. They can, however, choose to go against the ininity loving nature deal... and doing so makes them a villain. That's not a boost to your argument. You're still playing the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:41 PM
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You're allowed one small trait to deviate from ideal masculinity. That's even encouraged. It allows women to pat themselves on the back for "wanting men to be their full selves". But everything else is generally as it always was. The extent to which women accept femininity in men is despite of it, not because of it. Pretending this isn't the case is ridiculous Now, whether you decide to give all that the middle finger and wear a dress AND do make up AND be sexually submissive AND want to be a tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:29 PM
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The first villains of Disney Princess movies? All of those movies are about rescuing the princess so you can save her true loving and nurturing self from the bad guy chick lol That her default state is nurturing love to infinity and beyond, you just have to free her and you'll both be happy! She WANTS to do everything for you! Just rescue her and you'll both be happy!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:07 PM
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Some were. And the most common trait was deceit and manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:59 PM
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The thing men are lied to about is that women are infinitely caring and compassionate beings. No one is. If that were the case, all women would pick up the first homeless guy they met and nurse him back to health through their superior titty powers. That never happens. Women'll happily take the benefits of that archetype but they're just assholes because they're people and people are assholes. The women in life don't really think about your well-being any more than the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:41 AM
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Yup, this wins the entire subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:34 AM
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