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CMVLoud_Definition6669/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 08:58 PM
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Yours is the perspective of a 5/10+ woman or a 8/10+ man. Most men and a decent amount of women have never experienced the degree of desire or enthusiasm you consider paramount. So they rationalize it away with stuff like "looks fade" or whatever. If people would hold off for the feeling you're talking about, easily half of couples wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 07:51 PM
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Wasn't 2 the stated intention for the mods behind the truerateme sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:45 PM
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If we're talking about women who are slightly overweight, I think it's often that men harbor some attraction to these women but want to portray themselves as more discerning or higher status than they are by expressing contempt and disgust that they don't actually feel. A lot of men who aren't successful with women or socially in general indulge in a fantasy in which they will attract a universally and socially-prescribed "hot" woman and be able to show her off like a new car. They misguidedly t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:43 PM
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Men gossip about each other's relationships and have codified ways of telling their friends their partner is a bitch. Men, however, don't coddle each other the same way because it's affront to the other's masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:36 PM
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Chemical castration already exists and is used for sex offenders and paraphiliacs. SSRIs also have this effect on a lot of people that use them. It's an unpopular side effect even among people who are single or in relatively sexless relationships because most people still love to jerk off. I think it's possible a market something less extreme than chemical castration would work for some men for a variety of reasons. It would probably be used by the same tech weirdos that are attracted to living …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:32 PM
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There are some autistic traits that might not be a major deficit to women, and others that may be. A higher percentage of autistic women have sensory issues and are asexual, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:44 PM
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True but the number of 27-37 who are single is a smaller %. The degree to which "taken" means taken changes. Theres a difference between having a boyfriend, having a live in boyfriend, having a husband, and having and husband with children.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 11:04 PM
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At 35 you have similar options to women your age. At 25 you had significantly fewer options than women your age. After 60 you will likely have more options than women your age. Your absolute amount of options does not increase, your options relative to the opposite sex increases
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:12 PM
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I'm pretty sure most divorced people remarry into the same approximate SES.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 07:57 PM
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I'm not following your line of reasoning, women are trigger happy with divorce because they know they have fewer options after divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 07:46 PM
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The men who are fixated on this probably didn't date a high enough volume of women to give differential treatment to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 07:41 PM
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Yeah, probably. I don't think women are thinking about their SMV when they get divorced though. They are thinking about the state of their relationship and their finances
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 07:38 PM
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Anyone can be community meat. Yeah, that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:24 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean. These are usually divorced women, they already got married and had children.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:23 PM
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Yes, men who sleep with lots of women get hotties and notties.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:49 PM
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For the older women I know who have tried to date online, this is absolutely the case and is their chief complaint. It's not that 40+ year old women don't get attention online - if they are even passably attractive they are still swimming in dick. It's that every other age-appropriate man on there is trying to cheat on his wife, or at least doesn't want to get divorced until he has something else lined up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:45 PM
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If you live in a frat or party house on campus, 20 by 20 is not that crazy either. I imagine the success rate there is by default higher than it would be in some random public space. Drugs help a lot too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:50 PM
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People who consider women who go out to bars, clubs, and shows unsuitable for relationships probably meet women through religious communities or family. If you aren't orthodox, devout, or involved in some sort of immigrant community but want women who live that sort of lifestyle, then obviously you're going to have a hard time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:31 PM
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A body count of 20 isn't that crazy for a man who is motivated to get laid and doesn't have particularly high standards. If he's 25, that's like 5 women a year for every year he could legally drink in public. If he were to go out every Friday and Saturday and shoot his shot with 10 women each night, it would be a success rate of .5%. Likewise, a body count of 3 is not some immense failure, especially for a young man. It's likely a man who's had a couple of LTRS and isn't as motivated to seek out…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 02:37 PM
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Is it possible these "logical inconsistencies" are just them acting in their best interest like everybody else?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 08:16 PM
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I find a lot of people on here, and in general, believe what benefits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 07:41 PM
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Women are more inclined for favor nurture explanations to nature explanations for human behavior. That is in part because their prescribed "natural" role is more prohibitive and more removed from their natural selves.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 07:09 PM
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This society would die out because pussy would be as dry as the atacama
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:45 PM
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I've seen this shift occur in the last 10 years. Obviously I've gotten older but it's telling that I get hit on more by men my age than younger women I've worked with get hit on by men their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:43 PM
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As much as I don't want it to, I believe that online information, social media or otherwise has affected me as a parent. Personally I don't think it's contributed to any resentment in my marriage, but I could absolutely see this as the case for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 05:55 PM
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It could also be framed as "Women sacrifice more of their biological imperative than the average man in a long term monogamous relationship. Women are not 'designed' for lifelong monogamy, they 'designed' to get 1-2 livebirths to early childhood with the added support of one partner before seeking a different combination of genes in another partner" But men's struggles with monogamy are often framed as some grand sacrifice and women's as some sort of moral failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 04:14 PM
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"Predict" is a strong word. The talent pool is already selected from people with great facial ratios. You need golden ratios + sucking weinstein (et al) dick + passable talent (except for like gal gadot) to make it. ​ There is also still nuance from there. Men who are "too masculine" can deviate quite a bit from good facial ratios and gain a following. Adam Driver is UGLY but a lot of women like a man with a hypermasculine face playing a man with a vulnerable version of a personality disorder. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:54 PM
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It's up to women to end relationships with men whose words aren't matching their actions and who aren't meeting their needs. It's women's responsibility to be emotionally resilient and carry forward with their lives when they have their hearts broken. It's up to them to set boundaries and determine what they want from a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:15 PM
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I don't think they consider that "chasing"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:03 PM
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I think most of the men who bother to say this and think it's sage advice were actively pursuing women who didn't want them and often getting fixated on one woman in particular who didn't want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:55 PM
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I'm saying this has nothing to do with the current "market". If women are less sexually emancipated men will rely on lies about future marriage. If they are more sexual emancipated men who will be passed over because they can't attract based on their physicality will have lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:43 PM
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I don't know what you want from me. You'll have to be more specific about what you want me to say
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:32 PM
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Not really
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:29 PM
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Yeah, no shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:25 PM
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First we have to establish what "this" is. I'm guessing misrepresenting oneself in order to get laid? Men have always done this. Most young girls are told at an early age boys will do this. Men used to have to promise marriage to get laid. Women could sue for something called "breach of promise".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:29 PM
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I think we're supposed to rethink our standards because, get this, people can *lie* and if I'm successfully duped into sex my pussy is going to be taking hits like my health in a video game.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:26 PM
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If you're going to lie or "be immoral" (whatever that means) the circumstances of the market aren't going to influence that behavior. Men have been lying to get laid since forever
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:17 PM
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If they were invisible, I wouldn't be able to give them signals. Most men are plain looking. If they seem affable, and I have nothing better to do, I'll "get caught" flitting my eyes over them to see what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 06:47 PM
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If I told you I gave signals to average men would you even believe me or would you claim that I was mistaken, and that those men were actually top 80th percentile and I only thought they were average?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 06:36 PM
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I think "single mother" to these guys usually means somebody with an out of wedlock child, not a divorced woman. "Divorced" usually means kids as well, to the point where people will usually specify "divorced without kids". It's a different socioeconomic bracket. And yeah, an out of wedlock kid usually does entail poor decision making, they should have gotten an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:24 PM
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The women I know who have complained about this have partners that play video games most of their spare time, often times in place of caring for kids or spending quality time with their partners. I doubt those same women would have been with drug addicts or alcoholics either, or at least wouldn't complain about it. All that said, the typical man who would describe himself as a "party guy" or a "drinker" gets varying levels of drunk a couple times a week, usually in the company of other people, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 08:17 PM
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It's better for the woman if she is the more adored one in the relationship. Men by default tend to perceive their options as illimitable, even if they are less inclined to initiate divorces.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:26 PM
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Sure but they aren't being rejected for a date
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 02:46 PM
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Everybody I know who has worked in family law, including two judges, has said men usually file for divorce when they have another partner lined up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 02:39 PM
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Attractive women don't get rejected, they get pumped and dumped or wind up in lukewarm relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:47 PM
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Certainly, but it's unlikely somebody would be able to provide security but not a nice house in a nice area, or a comfortable, reliable car, etc. Security also presupposes marriage. What's the point of casually dating somebody with money if they don't spend it on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:46 PM
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I've said on here a number of times there's little incentive for attractive women to ask men out, and I'm told by women (of unknown attractiveness) that they approach men and that's how they landed their relationship (of unknown quality) of one whole year.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:43 PM
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There's no value in dating a man with money if he doesn't improve my life with that money in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 12:11 PM
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Marriage and maternal age at first birth has commonly been mid 20s or later in northwestern protestant Europe for centuries now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:27 PM
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25 is when adulthood begins for middle class people and above. Having children or getting married before 25 is like unseemly nowadays, even if the partner is of similar age. Having kids before 30 is practically teen motherhood if you live on the coasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:43 PM
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I'm a woman. During the sexual market place years I was a 6.5-7. I am petite. I was lean. I have great hair. I have open and expressive body language that reads as sexy combined with gamine-type proportions that tone that down into approachability and cuteness. My face is a bit of a mixed bag. It's not good enough to compensate for a bad body, but not bad enough to deter from a good body. I am currently 35 and recently had a baby. I didn't have any ab separation or major proportion changes but I…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:37 PM
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Persistent, particular desire for me that is apparent is basically a prerequisite for my arousal. Early infatuation for me is experienced as a narrative in which I am somebody's dream lover
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:18 PM
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Interest in other things comes later. A man having a particular physical desire for me is a prerequisite in my mind, not and end point
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 08:13 PM
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I assume they approach me because they like the way I look. I want them to like the way I look
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:04 PM
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Men who express particular interest in quiet women usually perceive themselves at the bottom of the male hierarchy and want a woman with low sociosexuality and contextual social status to allay anxieties about intrasexual competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:59 PM
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I'm more thinking stuff like: Owns a pitbull Has a truck that represents his yearly income when he owns .25 an acre and has nothing to tow Thinks Cheesecake Factory is a great date night. Listens to Nickelback It's not about "expensive things". One of the tackiest things women can do when they get money is get an expensive bag with a ton of gaudy branding on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:36 PM
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Doctor, Lawyer, Upper Management Superstars aren't high up on the "dad" ladder, they are high up on the "Chad" ladder I don't care about status past the point of competence and avoiding "low status" markers (baby mamas, "plebian" tastes, etc.) I would prefer a man with a middling job to one who works 60+ hours a week and is constantly stressed. A non-superstar "good job" isn't really a gateway into sex. I wouldn't fuck a man because he's a doctor, and I don't think many other women would either.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:19 AM
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What qualifies as "gym bro" culture? I like the look of a man who is natty, broad build, consistent 3-4 day split, mostly clean but not meticulous diet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:02 AM
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There is more than one woman in the world. I personally enjoy male attention
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:31 PM
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They don't approach because it's a recipe to get pumped and dumped. Men will almost never reject an attractive women. It's not fear of rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 09:54 PM
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You have poor insight into how women think. Attractive/average women don't have to approach men. They get approached by men all the time. When hoards of men approach you all the time as an indication of interest, it is natural to assume men who do not approach you are not interested. Men will still date women they aren't interested in, especially if it's not serious enough that their options to pursue women they truly desire are stymied by the presence of a girlfriend There are women in sales or…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 09:24 PM
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Most men can't understand the concept of not enjoying sex for it's own sake. It's not that they don't care. Sex is usually going to be as good as masturbation to them, and they can have it with women they aren't particularly attracted to. So they assume if the woman doesn't enjoy it she is actively repulsed or sexually dysfunctional in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:22 PM
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I think there probably are a lot of 5'4" women who want a man who reads as "tallish" to her and select 6'+ on apps, but would be fine with a man who is 5'9" IRL, especially if he reads as broad and otherwise masculine. Just like there are a lot of men who would be ok with a woman "with a little extra" (like BMI 24-26 w/ T&A but put "slim" and "athletic" as qualifiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:56 PM
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I would not care one bit about how many women he's slept with and wouldn't ask. I might be partially bothered if he slept with a good friend of mine or family member.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 03:58 PM
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Her eyes are close set, her mid face is very long, her mouth is very wide. The bottom third of her face is proportionately long, like a man's, and that's at this "myspace" angle that generally minimizes that. Her nose is crooked, that's an easy fix, but she'd be paying 10k to go from a 4 in the face to like a 4.25 so pointless. I'm not saying this woman is going to die alone or anything. I'd just saying no matter what she does fitness or grooming wise, she's never going to know what it's like to…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:36 PM
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I'm convinced that a lot of online men's material about dating and gender is a PSYOP to channel working class rage towards women instead of something actionable. The left wing used to be about sabotaging trains and blowing up scabs during strikes, getting into brawls with cops, storming the factory owner's house, etc. Now leftist rhetoric is comprised of overeducated women arguing about which Halloween costume you're allowed to wear. And the NEET men who would have represented a problem to the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:01 PM
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The first one is quite facially unattractive. And not in way that's fixable with surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 02:36 PM
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This was how we did things during my maternity leave and then my husbands paternity leave and it worked very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 11:49 PM
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When I say "like" I don't mean "do I want to make a commitment to this person?". I mean "was time spent speaking to this person time wasted?" If you actively dislike spending time somebody for a couple of hours, and think it's "work" or "wasted" time just because you didn't wind up sticking your dick in them, you don't like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 10:57 PM
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I think the issue is he doesn't really like the women he is pursuing, not that they don't like him. It feels like a game because he actively hates the "effort" that goes into it. Other than having to make a dating profile, I don't see why anything of this should be so unpleasant. "You have to text them in a compelling way and the right amount" "You have to order an uber and spend an extra 18 minutes getting to her apt" "You have to talk to multiple women at once" It's like every moment spent on …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:38 PM
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I like caring for children, just not all day, alone, without adult company. That's never been a historical norm anyway. Just an atomized nuclear modern glitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 09:37 PM
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I'm not saying they're lying. You're the one that's presenting it as some obvious choice: a "thankless" job vs being home with children when you haven't experienced the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 08:00 PM
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100%. Plus the "involved mothers" these trad types often idealize are actually unhealthily enmeshed and they have no idea what it's like to be married to these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 07:57 PM
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So no. You have no direct lived experience and you're describing how people's lives look from the outside looking in.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 07:48 PM
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These women tend to make terribly competitive mom friends. Like they are trying to settle open scores with the world through their children
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 07:45 PM
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Have you been a SAHP to children under 5?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 07:39 PM
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At a certain threshold women often have access to low impact jobs that are preferable to being home with kids. I vastly prefer slapping together spreadsheets and posting on reddit from 9-5 than keeping a baby or toddler entertained and alive for my entire waking day. Work is a break compared to caretaking at certain ages. The women I know that are the least happy are highly educated but their earnings are as such that they can't justify putting the kids in day care to work. The husband makes eno…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 07:24 PM
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The thing is, these women exist, and they make for miserable women to be married to. They are also the type most likely to settle for "beta providers" because they never really desired male companionship, they desired motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:36 PM
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You didn't know? The white, middle class, North American experience from 1945-1970 is the whole of human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:25 PM
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From what I've seen, child-focused marriages are the least happy. Middle class women get increasingly caught up in the intensive parenting race, and the husband gets sidelined/resented
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:21 PM
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It's hard to say now, but when I was single and without a child the answer would be close to 100. I'm like a 7 and "go out on a date with" is an incredibly low threshold, especially if we're talking about single people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 07:47 PM
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That's interesting. I'm in an inner ring suburb of Philly haven't noticed that as much of a factor but the age of the youngest child is a big one. I was at one of those indoor play gyms this week and the women with 2 year olds or younger were looking much rougher than those with 5+ year olds. A lot of the neighborhood moms I see around have make-work WFH PMC type jobs though. Personally I'm trying to get pregnant in about 12 months so and was a gainer the last time, so I'm not really looking to …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:21 PM
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That's not my responsibilty
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 09:00 PM
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I don't care about money much at all, I care about being desired
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:22 PM
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Most men start pulling that shit when you move in with them, not when you marry them. It's not like you live with a guy for 4 years and then when you get married he stops putting his clothes in the hamper. Why would anybody care to change your view about how you prefer to live your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:11 AM
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When a man doesn't pay it usually means he isn't as into you as the men that do pay. Again, this is just recognizing a pattern within my lived experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:36 AM
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I think biology has something to do with it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:07 AM
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I am operating under the assumption that when something happens 95% of the time, I can reasonably expect it to continue to happen
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 02:57 AM
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I usually offered to pay and they wouldn't let me. It's a whole roleplay normal people do at the end of the date. Although if I'm too tired for that shit I'll skip it and just say thank you. What I supposed to do, hold a gun to their head?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 02:55 AM
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How should I know? You'd have to ask them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 02:49 AM
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That could be part of that. I don't know many people like that regardless of education level so I can't really say
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 02:28 AM
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Why what
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 02:22 AM
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Both
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 02:19 AM
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I expected men to pay for dates because they usually did, so it was a logical inference grounded in gathered information
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 02:15 AM
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Yeah I also think the fatness thing is largely regional. Working class white women in the northeast US aren't typically as fat as I see men on here claiming either. People don't become single mothers because they have high N counts, they have out of wedlock children because it doesn't represent the same derailment to their life trajectory and so they don't get abortions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:56 AM
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Clinical nursing as an RN or lower is absolutely a working class job. I don't think it requiring a 4 year degree disqualifies it as such. It's "pink collar" which just means "blue collar" but dominated by women. It's well compensated but physically draining, like a lot of other blue collar work. Upper middle class women that go into nursing usually go to competitive programs and then go straight into an NP, like one would go to graduate school. Then they get low impact outpatient jobs working wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:51 AM
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I think there are a lot more working class women working in jobs like nursing , social work, etc. and their male peers are in blue collar jobs that don't require a degree. This can cause a bit of a problem at that socioeconomic band, if they place a lot of weight on that degree alone, for whatever reason. I also wonder if a lot of women are using "educated" as code for politically liberal, which is also another disconnect at that level as well. Most of those men are apolitical and not particular…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:18 AM
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I think this is usually a response to men complaining about huge swaths of women being: single (never wed) mothers before the age of 30 grossly fat If those are your chief complaints about the dating scene, then yeah, moving to a higher cost of living area and dating up will improve your odds considerably
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:08 AM
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The thing that always stuck with me wasn't ghosting after hooking up. It was ghosting after "future faking". It's delusional to think sex obliges somebody to you in some way. But it's not delusional to think somebody wants to continue seeing you when they make plans to continue to see you, or to think they like you when they tell you they like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:31 PM
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Not all women are hot enough to get free stuff from men they aren't dating. That's like 6/10 or 7/10+ privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:20 PM
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There is also a ethnic and socioeconomic element to this. NYC is a big city with a lot of racial and economic diversity. I doubt the obesity rate in the upper west side is that high. I lived in a gentrifying neighborhood in a city not known for it's beauty and I still didn't see that many obese whites and asians under the age of 40. Like, the women in your pictures would be noticeably fat if I walked by them on the block or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:09 PM
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Yeah I don't know why people have such an adverse reaction to this when it's true. It's true for men as well. It's one of the top 3 red flags for infidelity too. Like it's one thing if you meet somebody at one weight with certain habits, you get comfortable, have kids, whatever and they want to get back to where they were. If you meet somebody who's 20 lbs overweight and never gave a shit about their looks and now they are hitting the gym 5 days a week and putting on a full beat before going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:20 PM
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Googling somebody and looking at their social media isn't considered creepy anymore. I barely use social media but I will wind up with people adding me on LinkedIn after we cross paths in a bar or something. Most women would probably be flattered if they spend effort cultivating an online presence and you bothered to look at it. Creepy behavior is something that is out of the ordinary and makes a woman feel like you might represent a threat. The obvious reason for this asymmetry is because men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:11 PM
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Ok. Yeah, it makes sense. Women are happier when men outearn them, and men are happier when their partners are more attractive than them. None of this is particularly new, however, both of these things are being upended in the current market, so I suppose people who unwilling to improve or settle will be single. I guess this means women can improve their long term prospects even more than would be expected by losing weight and men can do the same by improving their earnings.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:05 PM
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That's not really what's under discussion. Are women on average heavier than men right now? Assuming the same BMI, with women average 5-6 inches shorter than men, I imagine, on average, they ARE lighter.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:54 PM
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So I do agree that a woman's looks are overall more important than a man's. The thing about men's attractiveness is that it's multivariate. ​ For example, in areas where you see a lot of fat women with skinny men, everybody is poor, so the men, even if fit, are "low status". In nice areas, you see the opposite. 40 year old MILFs that go to TRX at 1pm and have a nanny with doctors that are maybe 20 lbs overweight. If you are fit, are there other things reducing your desirability that are keeping …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:52 PM
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No, do you have a link to disprove it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:48 PM
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Maybe to YOU. I would argue that men being slouchier and less lean irrespective of their overall weight can have a greater impact on their looks. It pedomorphizes their face and obscures masculine ratios in the body. Pear or hour glass shaped women can still be attractive to a wide range of men with a few extra pounds, and fitness level has less of an effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:42 PM
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Ok. So I imagine there are a lot of fat people dating each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:37 PM
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I imagine a high percentage of "over 20 years olds" have gray hair, are bald, and infertile too. The primary "dating market" is for people in their 20s and 30s though, and even within that age range, probably the 25th percentile and up, so while I imagine this has an effect, it's not as straightforward as it might seem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:05 PM
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Bars and clubs should be open again after covid
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:02 PM
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They usually start going longer stretches at night within a couple of weeks. The generally recommendation is 2-3 hours for breastfeeding and 3-4 hours for formula feeding until they reach their birth weight, which most will within a week of birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:50 PM
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I don't really understand why people younger than that would depend on online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:21 PM
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Most of the couples I know who met after early 30s in the last few years met online. Average men and women. I think the main issue is the amount of effort men need to put into it and the amount of rejections they receive. I get that messages like "hey" are not going to get a good response rate, but given the sheer volume of messages sent, there is a diminishing returns to tailoring messages to every woman. It's kind of like applying to jobs in the current market. Do I get interviews and ultimate…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:59 PM
1

If my baby needed to eat every hour it would have died of "SIDS"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:52 PM
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It's not "fantastical" because the 20 somethings they are bagging aren't usually that hot. I used to work with a lot of sleazeball salesman. A couple of them had younger girlfriends and would brag about it. Typical Gen X brags too "Shes BLONDE, she has BIG BOOBs, she's 24" What they don't tell you is these girls are 40lbs overweight, trashy, and plain.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:50 PM
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Men have more dating opportunities relative to women their own age in their 30s than in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:07 PM
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Face is what inspires love, body is what inspires lust. Face matters for SMV, but it is critical for RMV. Body is critical for SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:02 PM
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What's your point? OP seems to be sniffing his own farts about how "gifted" he is. I don't know his age, but I assume he's young and he's not going places
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 02:46 PM
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You generally need good people skills and verbal intelligence to break through the associate level at any job in any industry. The people making 400k in tech are not those with the cleanest code, they are those with superior project and people management skills. Hedge fund managers are not actuaries, they're jocks with IQs in the 110-120 range. The median earnings for young men and women are also not vastly different. Some surveys show women under 30 outearning men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:43 PM
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Why would women be concerned with SMV? Does carrying around an extra 10lbs or having a flat ass have a material effect on how many men will bang them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 10:43 PM
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The sheer volume of fat people is normalizing fat people. You see more fat men in commercials playing the "every man" nowadays too. It probably isn't as noticeable to you because you aren't as bothered by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:30 PM
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Fashion modelling has never been about beauty. At least not the type of beauty most women want to manifest and men find appealing. High fashion models are still primarily extremely tall pubescent girls that are selected because they look like a portfolio sketch or because the gay men that dominate the industry like how they look. Magazine ads will feature women that are photoshopped in a way that defies normal human proportions, like with legs making up 70% of their height, or a head that is 25%…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:27 PM
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How can one "be equal" about self-esteem? That's an individual thing. It's not like self-esteem is some sort of limited resource and fat women are hoarding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:20 PM
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The tip and width was probably where the value was. See how much more tapered it is in the 3rd pic. Probably looks much smaller when viewed from the front.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 11:57 PM
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He's probably talking about how most modern women fluff up their brows or draw them in thicker. Thick brows still require plucking to get the desired shape too. Brows are weird because thinner brows are sexually dimorphic, but also indicative of age.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 08:13 PM
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What Disney movies are you talking about? Usually the woman winds up with a Prince or man who has completed some great feat that would buoy his status considerably. That's like, definitional hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 08:02 PM
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Most of the guys I've dated have been that height. It's also the the average sexual dimorphism for my size, about 5'3, so I think that's what my brain has filed away as "man" if that makes sense. Tall guys generally look like "big boys" at first glance. It's hard to describe
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 07:51 PM
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Most caucasians have some degree of natural dorsal bump and slight narrowing between the boney top third of the nose and the middle third. The complete elimination of this feature looks subtly off or "scooped" especially if the bones are otherwise robust. This is a good example of natural looking work: https://www.dryagoda.com/gallery/nose-gallery/nose-page-6/patient-72/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 07:46 PM
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Big breasts have less commonly been portrayed as attractive throughout history, even when fuller figures were popular. Large breasts often look "older" and more matronly. I believe Henry accused Anne of Cleves of not being a "maid" because she had large, loose breasts indicating having had children.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 07:40 PM
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I like the proportions of shorter men. Shoulders and upper body width relative to height. Tall men usually look awkward to me, knobby knees and relatively small ankles and wrists.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 06:26 PM
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I think you're missing the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 11:04 PM
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Why would you need to see a picture of somebody's grandma when you can see their own features right in front of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 09:29 PM
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Basically
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 07:50 PM
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Looks might "fade" but there are plenty of comely, if not sexy people up to their 60s. And none of them were ugly in their 20s. Looks fading and changing over time doesn't cause people to regress to the mean. If anything, good genetics and bone structure become more important once the glimmer of youth fades.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 07:12 PM
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In terms of divorce rates, sexual partners, and infidelity, this is true largely true. But it's not like women that are higher status are great in all ways for men either. These women are apt to call just about anything "emotional abuse", have a low tolerance for masculine behavior in general, favor very child centered marriages, not be as passionately sexual, less interested in homemaking that isn't within the scope of entertaining, etc. If you grew up working class and wind up in these circles…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 07:05 PM
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The topic of discussion wasn't whether or not women become less attractive with age. My point is that the sort of women that "party" and "drink" (ie normal, sociable, probably attractive women) are not depreciating any quicker than women who don't do these things. This is because the wear and tear of partying is vastly overstated and is easily superceded with self-care, which these types are more likely to partake in.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:35 PM
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Just world fallacy. Social women tend to invest a lot more into their appearance You'll see a lot more MILFs slamming mimosas at your typical brunch spot Sunday mornings than you will at church
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 05:16 PM
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Emotions are not illogical, they are preterlogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 10:14 PM
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The controlling you have contact with is particularly crazy and particularly common nowadays. If I ever date again, I would be as cautious of not more cautious of partners that have been cheated on than partners that have cheated. You shouldn't have even attempted to hide contact with other women to avoid an argument in the short term. You should have just been like "yeah that's Tara from work, sometimes we grab drinks and bitch about our boss get over it".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:19 PM
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Yeah plenty of guys that don't get casual sex have no issues not pursuing it once they have a girlfriend. But they are not affectionate or kind to these girlfriends when they have them because they are only inspired to love by beautiful women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:00 PM
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Lease is if you are contracted to live in a place for a certain amount of time. Most leases are 12 months. If both people are renting, somebody's lease will have to end. If the guy moves into your place from his parents, yes this is indicative of interest provided he is paying rent and having his mail sent to your place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 08:32 PM
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If a guy is into you you'll practically be living together within months. Officially? Probably 6-18 months depending on your lease.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 08:19 PM
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This evaporates when people move in together. I always side eyed women who have a boyfriend of 3 years they don't live with and think they're gonna marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 07:21 PM
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Are the majority of men against abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:20 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 02:26 AM
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300k loan will be 2k before insurance and property tax at today's rates for a 30 year loan. Property taxes will usually be over 1% in areas with good schools. Areas with lower property tax often have additional wage taxes, large cities often have this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 12:43 AM
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That's like a 300k mortgage with taxes. Pretty much a starter home near anywhere with a decent amount of jobs and good schools if you're lucky
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 12:17 AM
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When women talk about marrying for money they are talking about men with yachts who don't have to work, not software engineers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:41 PM
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Yeah I don't get people one here that are like "how do I meet members of the opposite sex" and then when provided with example of where to talk to people it's like "you mean I have to TALK to people that won't immediately give me what I want?".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:50 PM
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I met my college BF on the train, my husband approached me at a concert. I have hooked up with a handful of guys who approached me at bars or parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:02 PM
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No. When I lived in the city and took public transportation or went to bars, especially by myself, I interacted with dozens of random men everyday. Over the years, there were maybe a handful of situations where I felt threatened or insulted, and those were almost always men who were vagrants or otherwise unstable. Most guys just toss you a compliment or make small talk and see if you pass the ball conversationally. I can't relate to women who feel put out with passing male attention. Harassment …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:53 PM
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Wait until you see how much lonely women pay for psychics. Hell, they should probably just start making those AI too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:25 PM
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These women aren't like this because they were gypped by hot guys. They just want hot guys full stop
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:17 PM
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I assume a lot of these guys are young and live rather simply. But not under the same circumstances that a woman who isn't a "hoe" would be willing to bring a child into this world under. I never faulted guys I was dating in my 20s for not having fine china or window sconces or anything like that. But the average single 20-something year old guy lived with an inch of watered down shampoo, no hand towels, and never saw the dentist unless they were in pain. Most rented urban areas with bad schools…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:13 PM
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All people are willing to sacrifice certain standards if somebody is especially appealing in other ways. Conversations here are theoretical, few people are able to convey this or have the self awareness to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:55 PM
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I don't think it's that "getting treated like shit feels better from a hot man" It's if you're going to get pumped and dumped anyway, you might as well enjoy the short term or purely sexual experience as much as possible. And that's going to be provided by the hottest, most exciting, extroverted, adventurous sort of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:52 PM
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You mean somebody who invests money that you've set aside? You think people with household incomes of 80k are meeting with their CFA on an ongoing basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:52 PM
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Yes, most people in live relative poverty and the middle class is shrinking. Most women, at least the types that aren't popping out kids out of wedlock early on, don't want to bring children into that situation. This is also why birth rates are dropping
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:25 PM
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You're looking at a 2500 mortgage to live in a decent school catchment in a decent state right now. Then the expenses that go into home maintenance. A visit from a plumber is going to be $500. New roof? 15k. 20k per vehicle that doesn't need constant maintenance. $6 for a dozen eggs. That's without considering saving for college, which is going to be minimum 60k per child. And retirement, which an employer 401(k) is never enough for, you need IRAs, other savings etc. I get that women consume mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:56 PM
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1) Define "lower value" in some objective way. Women typically marry men who are slightly less attractive than them who make slightly more, hence, more "beta" men 2) Yes, a lot of women do wind up with men they don't find particularly attractive and often resent them easily over things they would probably let slide with a man they are really into. Not because they were "spoiled" by Chads, though, but because women usually only find a small percentage of men sexually inspiring by default This is …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:49 PM
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Which 3rd world country do you expect to do this in where the woman and your children wouldn't be stigmatized for living the life of a single mother/bastard?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:31 PM
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You're conflating the qualities of the man vs. how he treats the woman. Getting pumped and dumped by a 5'10" man doesn't make women go "oh gee, I'll only date 6 ft tall guys now" It makes her go, "he escalated the conversation to sexual stuff too quickly" or "he wasn't forthcoming enough about his feelings" next, next, etc. Participation in the dating market and being "burned" like this, if anything, makes women favor more beta traits, even at the expense of attraction. It does not make them cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:11 PM
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These guys are all going to assume they can live in a middle class lifestyle on like 80k-120k depending on COL and that their wives are going to be ok doing the 24/7 on call duty of having a child because he works 9-5
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:03 PM
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Yeah I can personally say that I think it has had an effect on mothers my age in terms of what they expect to get out of parenting, their assessment of risk, their standards for themselves and their partners, etc. It's not just the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:54 PM
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It probably follows the pareto distribution, to some extent. Of 20-25 year old women in the 80th percentile? Many, if not most of them. For women below that? I don't know. I'm 35 and currently 3 lbs overweight after having a baby. I reopened a Facebook account with a comely face-only picture so I could buy cheap shit off the market place and I have gotten messages from old coworkers, flings, randoms, etc. Not hoards, but it's there. I think porn use probably follows a similar distribution where …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:18 PM
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Yeah I mean, I guess in high enough volume you might see that. Sounds like you're taking it in stride. We all run into shitty people in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:55 PM
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I totally agree that social media, particularly how it opens women up to more sexual attention, has a comparable effect on the reward systems of women that porn does for men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:37 PM
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I don't know where you live, but I don't see lots of grossly overweight white and asian women in their 20s. If the argument is that they are fluffier than 30 years ago, or that obesity that used to very rare in young women is more common and visible now, I would agree with you. Most women I see in their 20s have BMIs between maybe 19 and 27. And honestly? The fluffier ones that are well-proportioned and pretty are still desirable to most black and hispanic men, and a sizable minority of white me…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:29 PM
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A lot of the metrics you're using are impossible to measure and we'd have to rely on self-reported data which is notoriously shitty. sexual thoughts - Women during the NRE phase and while infatuated can probably be as preoccupied with these thoughts as men. Outside of this, this is generally correct sexual desire in casual sex - Obviously true sexual desire in relationships - See above, with regards to sexual thoughts masturbation - Difficult to measure. Most women masturbate without porn. Women…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:15 PM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:42 PM
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I have definitely given looks/flirted with guys I wasn't particularly interested in for free drinks or free admission somewhere, and that, from what I've seen is somewhat typical. I don't know if I've ever seen somebody do something like that for "sport". I don't doubt it happens, it just seems like the ROI on that sort of behavior is pretty low, since all interaction with men carries some sort of implicit risk. So that would require the woman in question be particularly risk-tolerant, which wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:52 PM
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I think while a higher percentage of women are less likely to get into relationships/marriage due to not being economically incentivized to do so, the quality of the relationships that do form is probably better because more women are free to choose partners they are attracted to. That's not to say that I think most long term relationships and marriages are great. I think about 50% of them I see are some degree of unhappy. But I think people tend to overestimate how happy these relationships wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:18 PM
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Why do you perceive attractive men as a "threat" or women responding to attractive men as "sickening"? You seem to have a very zero-sum outlook on the world and some glaring character flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:09 PM
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If women are giving you IOIs and then responding negatively to your approaches either They weren't actually giving you IOIs Your approach is off in some way
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:06 PM
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Yeah I think a 2 dimensional photo doesn't work for most women the same way it does for men. But IRL, on the ground, with some basic conversational skills, some propinquity through work or play, women go for average men all the time. The men on here don't seem to complain that women go for looks full stop. They complain that women only go for EXTREMELY attractive men, that the couples they see aren't "matched", that ALL the young 20-something year old women they see about town are grossly overwe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:55 PM
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I think all neurotypical, well socialized western men understand women prefer good-looking men for relationships and sex. It's self-evident. For somebody to not understand this, something must have gone wrong, I'd be curious to see what other bits of tribal knowledge this person lacks. A bigger issue is that many men overestimate their own looks and what the equivalent woman looks like, not the small percentage of oddities that didn't somehow absorb this information through osmosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:18 PM
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This isn't coherent. Everything in this post seems to suggest you believe the elite are separating your children from their biological imperative via "rainbow colors". If you aren't referring to people having fewer children because they are living alternative lifestyles, I have no idea what you're trying to say
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 11:41 PM
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I don't know where you are getting that elites don't want people to have children when wealthy donors are behind the push to eliminate abortion rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 11:24 PM
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You have an idealized view of teen dating and the consequences of fucking up. If you do something embarrassing in HS, everyone is going to hear about it. You might get teased, other chicks will be less likely to date you. If you fuck up with some chick you met online at 23, nobody you know is going to know about it and it won't affect your chances with other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 08:16 PM
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No thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 08:10 PM
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Yes. I think life as a husband and father is generally better than life as a wife and mother. I've also always craved respect more than affection, and women rarely get respect. I'm happy with my life overall and don't resent it. But all else being equal I'd prefer to be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 05:21 PM
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It's a book that posits that modern monogamy is unnatural and explores the sexual behaviors of prehistoric humans
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 03:50 PM
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Weird nerd women online. I have never heard anybody use this term in real life and if I did, we probably wouldn't hang out
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 03:44 PM
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The newer crop of trad con "red pill" types on here seem to be moralizing more than anything. Either that or they mistakenly think human prehistory sexual behavior was like Victorian England. And there's a sizable "sex at dawn" constituent on here that probably identify as more blue pill than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 03:19 PM
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I think having opposite sex siblings allows you to relate to the opposite sex better. I can't say it made me more sympathetic to the struggles of the opposite sex though, because I wouldn't say my brothers struggled that much with dating. They've had good relationships and bad like anybody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 03:11 PM
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Mothers and matchmakers used to play a big part in negotiating marriages. None of this applies anymore. Although, I don't see why it's so hard to approach a group of women and talk to all of them. Unless, like I've said on here before, you don't like the company of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:59 PM
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I've had guys under 5 inches bottom out with me. I can be "nudged" open up to 7 inches, but really there's no additional benefit to that. The only issue with smaller guys is shallower positions like spooning are harder. But being on top is easier, so it sort of evens out. The only thing that would be a negative is if a man was neurotic or self conscious about it. If I was sleeping with a guy for the first time and he said anything about how small his dick was I would probably be out because it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:37 PM
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The overwhelming majority of 36 year old women will be able to conceive naturally and carry the baby to term. Even most 40 year old women will conceive naturally within a year and carry to term. Of those that struggle, most have an underlying issue like PCOS or Endometriosis and likely would have had an issue either way. I don't know how often it needs to be said on here. All I get is a specious argument with a simple graph of how often women ovulate and "look, line go down"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 04:34 PM
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Yeah I don't understand what people on here aren't getting. Between 30 and 40 the main thing that changes is how often you ovulate. For the average woman without PCOS or Endometriosis, this means trying to get pregnant for an extra couple of months. Later than that, miscarriages start to increase. This woman had eggs frozen before egg quality itself begins to decline. Then she got divorced. She also seems to have waited until 30 to try to get pregnant, which, even if we were talking about her pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 04:29 PM
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Why would a man who doesn't ask you out be more likely interested than a man who does? It doesn't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 04:18 PM
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Well, it's not like when you're young there's a shortage of guys. It sucks when the one you've been thinking about the most in recent months isn't similarly interested enough to ask you out. But they are always others. Chances are you're weeks or months away from meeting a guy who's crazy about you, why spend weekends in with one who isn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 04:47 AM
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I wouldn't feel "replaced" by a sex doll, I would be freaked the fuck out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 01:24 AM
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I mean, yeah, usually when there is mutual attraction both people know it, especially after a certain age and with a certain level of experience. It's barriers, like one or both being in a relationship, or being coworkers that creates the uncertainty dance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 11:07 PM
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You think the average man rarely gets friendly, platonic attention from female coworkers, friends of friends, neighbors, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 11:05 PM
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Placeholder as is in he has no intentions of it ever being long term and is actively entertaining the idea of somebody he wants more from the jump. Being with a man who doesn't want you as much as you want him isn't enjoying your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 09:34 PM
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You're not seeing things from a woman's perspective. It's the norm for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 09:33 PM
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I get that people fall in love and it hurts. I just don't see how this could happen often enough to swear off friendships with 50% of the population. If you fall in love with every woman that pays attention to you, that's very strange indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 09:31 PM
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If women weren't getting positive feedback on these sites, they'd stop posting free soft core porn for all to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 08:32 PM
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She sounds like a bad sport but the reality is you should never make the first move as a woman because the guy will always say yes even if he isn't that into you. Making a move as a woman is basically a recipe for being fuckzoned or being in a placeholder relationship until he finds a woman he's into enough to take the risk of approaching. Best case scenario you wind up with a guy that likes you but is too passive to keep things interesting for very long
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 07:22 PM
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So men are heartbroken that there exists women that won't have sex with them? Being around women who aren't fucking them in a hardship of some kind? I understand that unrequited love is painful, but not being able to fuck every woman you meet isn't unrequited love.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 06:02 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 05:44 PM
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That's a bit extreme and bitter imo. I think these things happen. I'm a woman and I've been infatuated with men I couldn't have. I don't blame them for leading me on, however. But there's definitely been ones that enjoyed the attention and may or might not have known the extent of my feelings. I guess what I don't understand is how a situation like that is assumed to apply to all these cases. Say you're a normal, well-socialized person. You have plenty of friends and acquaintances of both sexes.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 05:36 PM
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Yeah I guess you're supposed to avoid interacting with women so men who are too nervous to shoot their shot get a chance and these arrogant bimbos are knocked down a peg /s
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 05:30 PM
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Ok. I guess my point is, how is being friendzoned that bad in the absence of infatuation? Are these men become infatuated with every attractive woman they interact with regularly? Because that does seem mentally ill. I get having a long term friend and you develop feelings and the rejection is particularly painful. But this shouldn't be something that is happening with every female friend unless you only have one every couple of years or something
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 05:19 PM
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Is there no middle ground between not being attracted to a female friend and having a painful limerent infatuation for her alone? Do people on here only have 2 friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 04:44 PM
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Sex dolls are creepy and weird. A flesh light or prostate massager isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 01:48 AM
2

Yeah I think the issue is that violence is one of the last steps that people use to control other people's behavior. If you are in an intimate relationship, or a friendship, you will likely see the passive aggressive behaviors first or only
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 07:55 PM
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Anecdotally the most toxic men I knew were also toxic in traditional feminine ways. Catty, talking behind people's backs, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 06:37 PM
7

I dated a guy with another girlfriend unknowingly for months. I spent the night at his place or mine 3x a week. He talked about traveling with me the following summer and how many kids he wanted. How would I have known?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 06:35 PM
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He doesn't consider himself to be in a committed relationship, but somehow multiple women are convinced he is. It probably entails some deception on his part.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 05:17 PM
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I find it interesting how many men on here express and interest in being "dominant" in the relationship, but don't like the implications of actually dominating the relationship, like being responsible for leading and setting the tone of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 05:11 PM
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He isn't lying on the survey results, he's lying to these women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 05:09 PM
1

I think part of the issue is that taller men tend to be from ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds where a more reserved personality is common, at least that's my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 04:49 PM
2

It's not accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 12:12 AM
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At 5'3" and 110 lbs I was slightly too small for most major clothing brands. I had guys think I was "90 lbs soaking wet" They really gave no idea what they're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 08:33 PM
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Well, go look at what real women look like when accurately scanned. For reference, I was 28% body fat when 5'3" and 125. I had toned arms, a flattish stomach above the navel, undefined but firm ass and thighs. Resistance training 3-4 days a week, eating well 5-6 days week. I was 21% body fat at 115 lbs the next time I was accurately scanned. I had a 4 pack in the mornings before bloat. Vascularity in my upper body and below the knees. "Cut" around my quads and a high, sharp ass. My stepsister bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 08:20 PM
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For real. That's my only point of contention with this post. Have a few irons in the fire, at least initiate some flirty banter immediately. A boyfriend is just somebody you've tentatively agreed to fuck exclusively for the time being. Especially if you don't share a lease and a bank account.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 07:42 PM
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If you're fitness conscious enough to bother with this you probably look great at your weight. But yeah, 20% seems incredibly lean for somebody with your BMI who isn't juicing. Essential fat for women is about 14%. All women will lose their periods at this level, most will start getting spotty below 20%
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 07:40 PM
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Don't be disappointed. People usually drastically underestimate their true body fat %. I was 28% at 5'3" and 125. I didn't have a belly or anything. At 21% and 115 lbs I had a 4 pack, vascularity in my upper body and and toned thighs/glutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 07:21 PM
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Most women I knew in in my 20s never spent more than a couple months single. At the very least they had a guy they were "seeing" even if they haven't entered into a tentative agreement not to fuck other people for the time being ie "a boyfriend"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 07:11 PM
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Yeah. If anything you are sole sounding board for a man's feelings in a relationship since he doesn't open up to other men about it. Most men will much more readily be vulnerable with women than they are with other men. Including women they aren't in a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 07:03 PM
1

You've never had male acquaintances that you might be interested in depending on the circumstances? You make the first move with guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 07:01 PM
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Define showing interest. You should probably have slightly flirty banter going with a few non-married women at a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:59 PM
1

Ok. That might be true
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:57 PM
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Ok. Engagement is a little different than the context I was thinking of.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:56 PM
1

You do this while dating a guy you don't even live with? Like you swear off all other options for a non live in boyfriend of 6 months at like 23 years old?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:39 PM
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Anecdotally, I would say that in the absence of another prospective partner, the relationship has to get pretty bad before people will break up. The unhappy party will typically start talking to other people during the "not decent" phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:25 PM
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"Monkey branching" is how dating works for virtually everybody. Almost nobody breaks out of a decent relationship to "find themselves" that's revisionist feel good garbage. If a man or woman ends a relationship without somebody else lined up it's either because somebody is moving away or the relationship is incredibly toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:16 PM
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30+ percent is what most women that don't count macros and workout several times a week have. Go to /r/xxfitness and search "dexa" to get an idea of what actual body fat percentages look like on a female body. 21% is what a typical body builder will walk around at before they "prep" by losing more fat and playing around with water. https://www.reddit.com/r/xxfitness/comments/dmykxy/i_had_a_dexa_scan_done_35f_57_176lbs_304_bf/ https://www.reddit.com/r/xxfitness/comments/mhwoj1/f26_55_124lbs_dexa_…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:12 PM
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Or simply to create an appealing narrative. I broke up with a guy years ago. Like many break ups, it wasn't perfectly clean, we still had some contact after the fact. At one point, he threatened to commit suicide, then blocked my number. I called around to his friends and family, trying to get in touch with them, see if he was ok, etc. It was great evidence of how I was "crazy" Another time, I dated a guy for 4 months before learning he had another girlfriend. After finding out, we parted ways. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:37 PM
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Your marriages were shit dude
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:24 PM
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This is true about a certain percentage of the time, but the other times, it is the slighted partner who is crazy. Especially if multiple exes were "crazy" or "abusive"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:22 PM
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So to clarify, it is your belief that couples to not: Complain about their jobs to each other Budget and create contingency plans for job losses Address the quality, frequency, etc of their sex life Make requests of one another sexually Discuss their child's behavior, their issues with school, their lack of sleep, etc Complain to each other about each others shortcomings What is the longest relationship you have been in? Did you live together, get married, have children, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:20 PM
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Can you please provide an example of a problem that a man cannot open up to with his partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:09 PM
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Honestly I only scanned this block of text with my eyes. But I'm not really seeing what's so offensive here. This is how Stacey think and talk. If this was coming out of a hot chick's mouth nobody would care.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:36 PM
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Hidden? Men have been doing this for ages. There's a low budget documentary about it 4x a year. It's alluded to on mainstream reality TV where Americans date foreigners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:30 PM
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Living in the burbs is weird with smoking. In the city I can go to a closed art show with leisure/creative class types who have never had to "work" in the conventional sense smoking indoors. But if I smoked in front of the Nordstrom in some suburb I assume some Karen would call the cops. Back in my 20s I smoked and the only men who ever said anything about it seemed finicky and weird in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:15 PM
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My husband and I each get $1000 in spending money per month and the rest goes to joint savings and expenses. This is the case regardless of who makes more
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:31 PM
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Define "trying to get with her". If you're an attractive woman, you are well aware that virtually all heterosexual men would smash under the right conditions. If they observe normal boundaries and genuinely like hanging out I'm not going to fill my head with thoughts pondering about whether they've jerked off to me or not. I don't have time for that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:02 PM
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Assuming you are not fat a mans SMV peaks at 30-35. The biggest factor being is that in this age range you are several years deep into your professional career, likely have a high income, and have a high status position than you did in your early 20s. These factors actually matter to women since men are meant to have the provider role and women weigh status and income heavily when looking for mates. This is RMV, not SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:25 PM
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Women don't really consciously recognize preselection working on them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:04 PM
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If these women had "game" there is no way he would know
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 08:57 PM
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Other people being interested does add to perceived value, although the effect is more pronounced for men. It's also something that happens in the subconscious, so nobody is going to be able to answer this honestly. You've basically asked men if they prefer some hypothetical woman with or without competition so the answer is obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 08:23 PM
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A hobby is an activity done simply because you enjoy doing it I am saying that for some men, aspects of meeting women and sleeping with them is something they enjoy. A friend of mine is 40, travels several times a year, and frequently meets a woman and spends a week with her when he does. Some of these women he keeps in touch with and sees again. The issue isn't that the type of men that gripe online are spending too much time trying to meet women. It's an issue if they dislike spending that tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 06:24 PM
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There are absolutely men who look better at 30 than 20, although I wouldn't say men peak at 30, most peak closer to 25. If you're lanky and all elbows and Adam's apple at 20, and still have all your hair at 30, then you'll probably look better at 30. I think the issue is if you can't get laid while the dating market is "easy" like being on campus at 20, or while going on 2-3 times a week at 24, then it's not going to get easier when half the people your age are married and busy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 06:02 PM
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Working out, advancing your career, and meeting women seems to be a normal spread of interests for the typical young man. I don't think somebody needs to have some "hobby" like painting miniatures or making bird houses or some shit like that. I think the maladaptive part is spending time trying to meet women when you hate doing it. I know a couple of happy bachelors that have been having short term relationships for the last 20 years. They love going out, they love the thrill of the chase, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 05:55 PM
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I assume you're neurotypical enough to know when and how to introduce sexual chemistry once some common ground is established. Like you can pick up when a woman is looking at you a second longer than normal and flitting her eyes down when you catch her doing it. Or you're bold enough to look a bit longer yourself. Shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 05:22 PM
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If a man is the "life of the party" and woman still aren't interested in him, then he is probably physically unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 05:21 PM
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I was thinking this when I had an earlier exchange with another poster about male fitness. My point was that most young men don't really have trouble staying trim without making special effort. In fact, a decent percentage of them under 25 when I was coming up were whippit thin no matter what they did. But, if you are spending all of your spare time at a desk either working or playing, then yeah. You probably have to go to the gym a few times a week to offset that lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 11:08 PM
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I don't think I've heard body count discussed IRL since maybe freshman year of college.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:43 PM
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The FBI is monitoring everything, especially that doesn't fit within a very narrow neoliberal Overton window. They are probably much more concerned with anything anti-capitalist since that's becoming the bulk of younger people than a small sliver of men that occasionally commit mass violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:37 PM
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American social media just didn't want to have to compete for people's time, attention, and data.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:34 PM
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That's a little more extreme than what I was thinking, although there may be some truth in it. There really isn't much of a bar or club scene for young Americans outside of a few major cities. A lot of people under 30 I talk to on reddit would never go to a bar just because. Dance clubs don't really feature much dancing unless they are catering to the Latin or Black communities. Mainstream "dance" clubs exist mostly for finding hookups. A high percentage of Americans live in unwalkable suburbs a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:13 PM
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If this is true, it means these mens incomes comprise like 60% of household income, which is usually more financially efficient than being single. I'm not seeing the hardship here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:44 PM
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People of both sexes from the 1st world outside of North America tend to be better socialized in general, in my experience. I assume it's mostly because they spend less time working and in school, have wider communities, etc. Aussies are stereotypically gregarious and easy-going compared to the rest of the Anglosphere anyway. That being said, people are usually more open with foreigners when they are with their own kind. You have a better chance of hooking up with somebody who finds you "novel" …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:12 PM
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The company of people you don't enjoy wouldn't be a satisfying way of avoiding loneliness for anybody, regardless of the financial implications
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:02 PM
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I can't understand what you just wrote. Are you agreeing that you don't enjoy the company of women for it's own sake?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:18 PM
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A lot of them probably are deadbeat marriages, and a lot of them aren't. If you don't like the company of women for it's own sake, you'd probably be unhappy in any marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:11 PM
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Most people marry others with comparable incomes. A moderately successful man will likely marry a woman who is also moderately successful, so financially this is unlikely to the be the big net negative you are proposing. The divorce rates in the "moderately successful" bracket are also lower than you are describing. It is less likely than not, and certainly not an eventuality that such pairings will result in a divorce. Women in this bracket, if they have children, will be divorced from somebody…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:04 PM
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The men who care about body count tend to have low counts themselves and thus, be lower value, if anything
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 04:47 PM
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I forgot who said it, but it was like "men and women can talk of many things, but what they are really talking about is sex"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:16 AM
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If you are worrying about what's "acceptable" that's kind of the problem. I had some divorcee "accidently" take my shopping cart at the store last week and then strike up a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 08:46 PM
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Who is saying they only want to date supermodels? Most people are trying to find the most attractive person they possibly can who also meets at least most of their other standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 09:33 PM
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Attraction and chemistry are prerequisites for a sustainable relationship in the west. The elements you mentioned like shared goals or deeper compatibility are revealed over time through a process called "dating". But when deciding who to date, you start with attraction and chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 08:51 PM
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Wtf is this? Ricki Lake for dudes? It's like the worst things about Howard Stern and The Breakfast Club combined.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 08:46 PM
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If you are currently single you won't be for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 06:31 PM
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No. When my husband and I were building a life together before kids, we shared responsibilities outside of work based on who could do things most efficiently and/or had the spare time. We each set aside the same amount of walking around money for each of us and all else, regardless of who earned more, went to our shared expenses and savings. If, hypothetically, my husband was working 80 hours a week that would by default mean I do the housework and administrative tasks. But I also have no intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 06:15 PM
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You probably think every woman can look like Kim K if they just do squats
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 05:53 PM
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In other words, boring
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 05:42 PM
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A lean man with naturally masculine proportions is pretty much the standard for most young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:56 AM
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I'm not really sure if that's true. Most women have to actively restrict calories to remain thin. Many, many young men do not. Also, effort doesn't really matter. People who have good genetics don't have to put in as much effort but they are still more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:50 AM
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Skinny fat men think their looksmatch is a skinny fat woman, when in reality it's a slightly overweight women with less than ideal proportions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:29 AM
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Most of the hot guys I knew in my 20s just rode a bike or walked around town and played pick up basketball and shit with their friends. They had good enough genetics and didn't eat like shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:23 AM
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If that's true it's probably because Relationships with a female breadwinner are generally too poor to qualify for alimony Women still pursue custody more so that might factor into the math
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:21 AM
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Thank you! The 50s in the countries that weren't destroyed in WWII was a time that maybe 50% of white families got to live something akin to the lifestyle that belonged to the top 3% in some limited societies prior. And even women among the leisure class further back then that were not exclusively raising children; often the tedium of young children was outsourced to wet nurses and governesses. They managed a small estate like a business and built social capital in order to help forge business a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:15 AM
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It seems your experience has confirmed that it is very important, and you'd be right
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:03 AM
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LOL you think the bible is real?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 02:55 PM
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Exchanging pleasure for pleasure is a transaction to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 02:53 PM
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I think people who do this are the people who have settled from the beginning. I have an infant, we still manage to have sex a couple times a week and do the mating dance every day. Having a child only made me love my husband more. Having a demanding job only made me turn to my husband more. etc A lot of people get together because in order to have the kids, and house, and sometimes even job, they needed a relationship. That goes for both sexes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 12:24 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:24 PM
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Wouldn't being with a woman you don't particularly like personally also be settling?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:23 PM
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So you don't believe any men getting into LTRs with women they are passionate about?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 10:58 PM
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I'm talking about sex specifically
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 10:55 PM
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Ok fair enough. Still not directly connected to what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 10:31 PM
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What, in your mind, is "doing everything right"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 10:21 PM
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That's so disconnected from what I've seen in my life I don't even know how to respond
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 10:19 PM
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If they think that all they need to do to have a good sex life is get "a" girlfriend or wife, then sure. I am saying that they shouldn't settle for "a" woman, they should seek out "the" woman, and continue to treat her as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 10:16 PM
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If your argument is there is such a thing as too frequent, then I agree. I have never heard of a woman complaining of their long term partner being too frequently affectionate, however, so I don't think it's common, at least after the courtship phase. I have heard woman complain that the affection is not outcome independent. For example, the husband only touches or compliments her when he wants sex. It isn't an unconscious desire to admire her body in that case
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 10:04 PM
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I feel like I just said "you need flour to make cake" and you responded with "yeah but a specific amount of flour" as if it disproves my point
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 09:47 PM
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I am not talking about a man loving a woman and then being disappointed when she doesn't meet his needs over time. I am saying that men get into relationships with women they do not love and then the bedroom dies in part because he tires of putting on the amorous act. I made this post in response to commentary on another thread about how women are reactive sexually. A number of men were complaining about how turning on a woman is a "chore" akin to doing housework. That's not the way one would de…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 09:44 PM
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I can't really respond because I don't see how this is connected to what I wrote
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 09:30 PM
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We have sex when the female isn't ovulating. You can't tell if the female is ovulating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 09:08 PM
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No. Male desire is intoxicating to women. He is acting as if expressing desire is being put out somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 08:44 PM
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He hasn't been with a woman he is actually passionately in love with
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 08:35 PM
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Yup. They want gay sex with a woman or masturbation with a fleshlight with a circulatory system. They don't actually want to have sex with women. It's not that different than women saying they are super sexual because they spend 3 seconds buzzing one out 5 times a week. It's not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 08:14 PM
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They built those big lions with the people heads and aliens probably didn't help even
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 08:10 PM
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My dog just started barking in response to this comment, perhaps there's a whistle somewhere I can't hear?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 08:00 PM
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Yeah I bet they would be good at Bop It or writing code, if they could. I'm talking about sexual selection and the type of intelligence that results in civilization
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:51 PM
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I was afraid you were going to say maybe dolphins and then I would actually have to put thought into a response. Parrots? Are they really good at Simon or Bop It or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:47 PM
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Why do you think it is that natural selection alone has only produced human level intelligence once and humans have such weird sexual behavior compared to other animals?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:40 PM
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Then why come other animules don't have vroomvroom car?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:36 PM
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If you see tickling your wife's back, whispering in her ear and giving her googly eyes the same way you see scrubbing the toilet bowl then you have a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:21 PM
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Did you read the post? You're seeing female desire through the lens of male desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:11 PM
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Human evolution is what is because men are horny without being compelled by big swollen estrus baboon ass. There would be no good food, cars, or Only Fans in the scenario you describe
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:58 PM
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That's when you need to do it the most, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:50 PM
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Because they like the idea of having a girlfriend, not the reality of one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:23 PM
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If you perceive cultivating desire in a woman as a "chore" then yeah, I could imagine it would suck. The main problem with a lot of the men on here is that they don't really like women. And I don't mean "misogyny", I mean they simply don't like female companionship or heterosexual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:55 PM
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I'm inclined to agree when it comes to sex. The issue is that men, especially on here, talk about sex in lieu of what they are truly missing in the relationship, which is admiration and respect. Women who were settled for tend to experience some version of the same, only the men become avoidant in a relationship with the 2nd choice woman, whereas women become resentful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:47 PM
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Who is saying women aren't a good judge of male attractiveness? Most normal men will look at what men who get women are doing and emulate it. Most normal women will look at what women who get men are doing and emulate it. The only difference is there's like 20% of women who won't attempt this because they don't care to attract anybody and another 10% of women who won't attempt to because of some other issue. There's like 5% of men who won't attempt this because they don't care to, but, at least …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 09:45 PM
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The one thing that I've noticed about that show is that sexual dynamics can reverse a bit because men of that class are unemployable, but the women can get a LPN cert plus court ordered child support, as such to buy some 80k house somewhere. So a lot of times the men on that show are basically fucking for a place to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 09:33 PM
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Even women who aren't looking to get married and live a traditional life usually want to be emotionally involved with the men they are fucking, especially if they like them personally. Hell, most men are like this as well. As far as spending money, if they want to do things you can't afford, but they want to do those things with you, of course they'll spend the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 09:32 PM
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I was watching Maury Povich on Nosey the other day, and they asked some prole woman who was 30 but dating 18 year olds why she liked younger men. She outright said "because they're easier to boss around". Gotta love it when people don't have the discernment to complicate what they actually mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:48 PM
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Men peak around 27-28. Youngish men are objectively hotter. The dating market after a certain age is comprised of two groups Divorcees, often with kids, who are ultimately looking to date other divorcees with kids and play house round II Never marrieds, many of whom are unattractive and unappealing, and others who are attractive and not looking to settle down. The latter group will have a wider net and may go younger. Edit: To put in in perspective, a 40 year old career woman with a condo downto…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:14 PM
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Most women will adopt more feminine behaviors while in a relationship with a masculine man. Even in close female friendships I perceive one of use taking on the more boyish role and have felt my behavior shift accordingly. I don't necessarily believe that much in "innate" femininity. Masculinity and femininity are dichotomous concepts that exist in relation to each other. That being said, I am skeptical of any woman who describes themselves as feminine as a default. What are you talking about ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:36 PM
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Most people into kink and alternative lifestyles are ugly. Although, hot people probably don't have to go to meetings to find people to fuck even if they're into weird shit so we have no way of knowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:47 PM
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1) She is just non-disgusting enough to dump and fuck into, but not commit to 2) These men are quite attracted to her, but don't want to be with a heavier woman because reflects negatively on their status 3) The men are quite attracted to her, and don't care about being with a heavier woman, but they don't like her personally It's probably mostly 1 with some 2 & 3 thrown in.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:08 PM
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Other than individual factors there's also demographics. If you live in a coastal city where people marry in their early 30s and have kids in their late 30s, then the market is still pretty open for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:57 PM
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If a serious relationship & marriage is desired, it should be found before aging begins to degrade beauty in order to secure the highest value man possible. How soon are we talking? I would say that my options at from about 18-32 were about the same. If a serious relationship and marriage is not desired, marrying and divorcing a middle-class man for alimony is an option. This isn't a strategy for anybody because the lifestyle hit of being a divorced mother will supersede any child support/alimon…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:43 PM
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In a fantasy, you can put words in everyone's mouth, and thoughts into their head. Very few women are fantasizing about a man raping them because they had the opportunity to stick their dick into her warm hole. They are generally fantasizing about a man who is attractive, who they would fuck willingly anyway, being so overcome with lust for them that he cannot abide some token resistance on her part. Rape fantasies are basically power fantasies about being irresistible to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:26 PM
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The drawbacks you are listing for pretty women are more for women that are like 98th percentile looks, not normal pretty women. There is a level of attractiveness where you have to tone down your looks for interviews in some industries or when making female friends. But it's a very small group of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:21 PM
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This isn't inadvertent. They select men who are "extroverted, outgoing and great at building large social networks." because that's who they want to be with. This is like saying restaurants privilege chefs who are good at cooking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:55 PM
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People in the past were not ignorant to the sexual imperatives of the opposite sex. If anything, they were more acutely aware, and that's why marriages for the classes with assets were arranged and prostitution was legal and rampant. I do agree that online dating exacerbates these differences on a scale never before seen. As far as "romance" goes... behavioral changes due to time online have absolutely made that more difficult, but that's because of how being online affects the personality trait…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:55 PM
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I'm pretty sure we are talking about the USA by default, and also the places in the USA where the people are
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:16 PM
2

It's not disgusting for an older man to be attracted to teenagers. It's disgusting when a man doesn't have the social acumen to lie about being attracted to teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:11 PM
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Because these machines take hours, nobody wants to be putting away laundry at 11pm. When you have sippy cups and bottles the dishwasher might have to be ran 3x a day. If I came home to that state when my husband was on paternity leave I'd be pissed too. Daycare workers somehow feed children and keep a hygienic play space for children without hiring daily cleaners or personal chefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:01 PM
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Any reasonable person can look at those studies and tell they are driven by a shrinking number of fundies that marry early and rarely divorce. The other factors you mentioned might contribute but they are pretty small. I'd be curious to see what the data coming out of Nordic countries is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:15 PM
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Conflating the two causes ideological flattening that alienates working class white men from the left. The modern social justice progressivism you are describing is basically upper middle class people on the coasts trying to impose their tastes and sensibilities on the lower classes
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:59 PM
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Leftism is a political paradigm based on class structure, it has very little to say about sexual dynamics. The most that can be said is that women's reproductive labor is exploited or owned under a patriarchal system like the labor of the working class is exploited under capitalism. TRP isn't even necessarily connected to right wing politics either. It USED to be primarily about picking up women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:52 PM
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Overall I agree. They are also suffering from a bit of paradox of choice and FOMO issues by the sheer illusion of illimitable options. The part I disagree with is that they are not able to assess men on anything BUT looks. I think these apps also commodify things like income, credentials, and lifestyle, a turn people into checklisters based on those as well. For example, one of the hobbies listed on a profile might not appeal to you on paper, but if you experience them with that partner, you mig…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:33 PM
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I think most well adjusted people on this sub treat it like a freak show, not a representation of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:09 PM
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I hate this line of reasoning. I think this rhetoric is just out there to make stay at home mothers feel better about themselves. Stay at home parent used to be called "homemaker" for a reason. I'm not saying it's fair to expect the house to be pin straight or a three course meal every night with two toddlers. But you can absolutely run the dishwasher and dump some bagged vegetables and chicken cutlets into a crock pot while watching children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 07:11 PM
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It's more about living life to the fullest, getting the max value out of every life stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:52 PM
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You are wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:36 PM
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It's easier when you have more money and your friends also have kids. If you have kids at 28, everybody is still going out and shit. It's less of a sacrifice when your life has already slowed down.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:32 PM
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Switch jobs every 2 years. Wait as long as possible to have kids
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:22 PM
1

We arent
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:56 PM
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Generational politics is just another type of idpol that's being used to blot out class politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:23 PM
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He definitely disclosed because he wanted to unburden himself, not to help the relationship in any way. Just like he is trying to justify it to himself with these unrelated reasons. I'm not even of the opinion that cheaters are the worst people alive and need to be burned at the stake, like relationships subs make it out to be. I am sympathetic to people who cheat when neglected emotionally or sexually, even if it isn't "right". But this guy cheated because he had the opportunity to, not because…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:06 PM
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Ok, well, by that standard most women born before 1990, that I know, are open to being "hit on" when out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 02:37 PM
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The guy is basically just trying to justify the cheating post hoc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 02:36 PM
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There are a lot of examples from relationship advice that are unfair to the man, this isn't one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 02:33 PM
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your attention is fixed on one you find attractive, you buy her multiple drinks, compliment her multiple times and act like she's the only girl in the world ignoring her friends etc - you would think that this would be a turnoff in almost all cases No, this is how every relationship I've been in began. That and gradually spending 2,3,4,5 nights a week at each other's place after the first fuck. I think your definition of a healthy relationship is what happens when low libido people who are runni…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 02:16 PM
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Yeah of course. I'm talking about not liking the girl that much at all, but portraying yourself as liking her more than you do in order to get her more invested in you and available to fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 02:09 PM
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How are we defining "hit on"? I'm just talking about people asking "what are you drinking" or "where do you guys work" or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 02:07 PM
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I mean yeah, $120 bucks a week on going out in your 20s is pretty frugal. But a typical entry level job is 60k nowadays, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 02:05 PM
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There are real cities in the US, other than Chicago they are all on the East Coast.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:49 PM
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If you’re in a city, one of the best things I recommend is become a regular somewhere nearby. Make a point to interact with the staff, go to do work, read, watch the game, whatever. This is not only important for getting yourself out there, but if you’re dating and you take a woman to your spot where people know you and take care of you it’s almost unbeatable initial social proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:54 PM
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In the first few dates there's no hard evidence of commitment. There's how much the guy likes you, which is easy to fake. There's also making soft plans to do things, like travel, or get an apartment together when the lease is up, or get a dog, or whatever that men will allude to even though they don't see those things with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:52 PM
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I think the main problem as it related to what OP is saying is that a lot of Americans live in shitty exurbs that were designed around the idea of giving moderate to low income families 3k sq ft homes. These are not good spaces for young people to live, but as more are living at home due to the economy, they remain in such places well into their 20s. In shitty exurbs the only places to drink are chain family restaurants that happen to have a bar, and seedy places without food or patrons under th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:45 PM
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One of the biggest differences I noticed starting about 7 years ago is that young people don't approach each other when out. At first I thought I was just getting older, but then I went to happy hours with a bunch of 22-25 year old coworkers, young women, and groups of young men didn't even come up to talk to them. When I was that age, you couldn't go out without less than a 1:1 gender ratio and not get approached by men. So I would say that even when third spaces exist, they are not necessarily…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:38 PM
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I agree with this, but I've also heard the types of people who hang out on reddit say a lot of weird things about bars. Which is the primary place where you become a regular. When I lived in the city I would go to a bar 2-3 times a week, this was normal non-alcoholic behavior. I think a lot of Gen Z people don't even conceptualize going to a place like that by themselves anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:29 PM
2

Definitely big simpin
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:01 PM
0

Healthy socialization is a process that starts from birth with caregivers and extends to a lifetime of interactions with peers and exposure to non-peers. The father figure is immensely helpful, but not absolutely critical. There are plenty of men without fathers who do just fine. If anything I think it's the normalization of mother-son enmeshment and childhood veal penning among basically all but the poorest whites that's driving it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:54 PM
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Women's selection criteria has not changed. This modern "problem" has existed for eons. It used to be solved with a high male fatality rate and rape. In the recent past, for some social strata, it was solved by mediating female choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:00 PM
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People who have a hierarchical mindset but cannot dominate their environment tend to retreat into a fantasy narrative in which they are superior in some sort of hidden way and the rules are self-reinforcing. "I might not be attractive to the opposite sex, but at least I am smart enough to see through the game" "My suffering is a testament of how morally upstanding I am." and so on
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:59 PM
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Where did you get the impression that OP was sleeping with these women because of who they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:05 PM
2

I'm an adult woman an I would never use the term "tummy wummy" except when speaking to a toddler.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 02:51 PM
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I dunno bro. The first two things sound coocoo crazy and it's not that weird to appreciate the stink of healthy people you're attracted to. The smell dry breath on a person with a healthy smile or a pussy after a night of fucking are normal things for men to develop a positive association with. Men pay thousands of dollars for dirty shoes and panties without so much as a photo attached, so I don't think that's it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 09:06 PM
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Look, I'm not saying that all men don't care about income. They also definitely care about status, although how narrow that band might be will depend. I'm saying that a man who believes his max income is 100k turning down a woman for making 70k isn't a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:31 PM
1

Those men were either not attracted to you or thought you were the type to stop working after kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:14 PM
2

This sounds like a famous person problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:06 PM
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It's online dating, the changing norms around approaching women in public, and atomization in general that's doing this The income thing affects relationship stability and marriage, not having a girlfriend/boyfriend. Poor people have always hooked up and tried to scrap something together. 2-3 decades of somewhat distributed wealth in countries that weren't blown to smithereens during WWII is not a good gauge of historical norms. Most women have always contributed to the material well-being of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:59 PM
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There are definitely high income couples where the wife has a "vanity job" maybe owning a shop that sells some crunchy shit and makes anywhere from -$10000 to $10000 a year, or working at the sort of non profit that relies on fundraising from other wealthy people rather than state funds. These women have status markers that make them eligible for high income men and these couples usually have inherited wealth on both sides. If we are talking about people who have high income but not family money…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:40 PM
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I don't think the preference for virgins never comes up because men have been silenced about it. If that were the case men would still talk about it amongst themselves, it would be relegated to "locker room talk" I think that it doesn't come up because neurotypical men in developed countries don't think this
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:15 PM
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In a place like ancient Greece, for example, the top percent of men kept wives who were basically living under Taliban type conditions. Women kept their hair covered in public and didn't leave the house without a husband or male family member. This is a subset of people that would value a shy, timid woman. Some version of this existed for the elite a various times in history. NOBLE women always needed to be surrounded by others who could vouch for her chastity or fidelity. But most people, even …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:35 PM
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It's not just that it's a minority of men Many, if not most, women do not develop this type of attraction/infatuation for men without propinquity. This is extremely difficult to do the modern world, without targetted courtship starting online. At which point the man has to pursue women who will almost always be lukewarm. So first you have to be "chad" and then you need to appeal specifically to the small subset of women who are highly sexually charged and able to develop infatuations from just y…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:18 PM
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I'm talking about the 1% historically. At present women who are the "life of the party" at a gala are status symbols as both wives and lovers. Most people to exist lived hardscrabble lives, including women. The 99% of men would be better off with a woman who can defend her purse from thieves, even if she would be more shrewish at other times. Shy women are desirable because of their presumed fidelity, and not much else. They aren't "lovers".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:58 PM
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I don't know about My Little Pony, but the "shrinking violet" type I think you are referencing is only a viable partner in a certain context. And that is to the top 1% of men in a patriarchal society, and these men would usually have mistresses/courtesans for actual romance. There's also a reason this archetype is prevalent in tragic fictions and frequently die of "a broken heart" or drowning. The old Grimms tales in their original form are also unkind to these characters.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:53 PM
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I agree. But understand, the sort of early attraction you're describing is something most men will never elicit their entire lives, particularly from attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:15 PM
3

This is an amalgamation about 12 upper middle class, type A women, not one woman. Fear of SIDS, determination to exclusively breastfeed at the expense of everything, separation anxiety, and obsession over minor developmental delays are recurring themes. The only women I know who ARENT like this, are, paradoxically the type a lot of men on here would consider "not marriage material"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 11:26 PM
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Yeah because men don't read parenting books or go on mommy groups where they're told the kid is going to have an attachment disorder over it. A friend of mine had a very colicky baby, at one point the husband would put his headphones in and set the baby in his lap, patting her head or rocking back and forth in the gaming chair, and she came home and had a conniption over it, because the baby was still crying, and he wasn't devoting 100% of his attention to stopping it, even though the baby was p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 10:02 PM
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I don't think you understand how crazy women get after kids. I wouldn't have believed it, until I turned 33 or so, and everybody started having kids. I think if we're talking about lower earners who are having kids out of wedlock, then maybe. But if we're talking about what remains of the middle class, the men are usually pretty present and responsible. Here of some things I seen my male friends go through after kids: - Kid needed an NG tube after losing too much weight and the wife not wanting …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 08:53 PM
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From what I've seen, women who give up their jobs are generally miserable unless they live in a community with a lot of other women who do the same, and are linked by family ties, church, etc. which is a rare thing, and comes with it's own drawbacks. Or they have the sort of money where they can keep up with hobbies and hire childcare on the husband's dime while they go to TRX at 1pm. If you have two brain cells to rub together, babies are boring. They might be cute, but they aren't great compan…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:43 PM
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I had a 20% chance of conceiving every month at 35, I supposed month 1 is "lucky" (my husband would disagree), but conceiving at 35 isn't particularly lucky. NOT conceiving at that age is UNLUCKY
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:28 PM
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I had my first at 35. I wasn't even waiting for financial reasons, I was enjoying urban DINKhood too much. I got pregnant on the first try, and fatigue is not an issue because I have a cozy work from home job where I can sign on at 11 am and a nanny. 35-40 year old people with means are not old and tired. They go to SoulCycle and shit. You act like 38 is 68 or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:16 PM
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Even if this is so, do you think IVF is more expensive, especially without the inflated cost of private healthcare, than keeping a child fed and clothed for a lifetime?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:00 PM
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What does this have to do with taxpayers? Medicaid doesn't cover IVF. Most social programs funded by tax payers are for young single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:48 PM
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The success of these things might be low, but the reality is the majority of 40 year old women are able to conceive within a year of trying without medical intervention and carry the pregnancy to term. Most of the women who have fertility issues have a condition that is known early in life, like PCOS or Endometriosis. Also, women who wait until 40 due to career considerations usually freeze their eggs and the success rate with younger eggs is higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:29 PM
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There was a pretty prolific poster on here who called these women “Mommy Moo Cows” and at the time I wrote it off as some “cool girl” BS, because I couldn’t have believed it until I saw it for myself. You’re being initiated into Modern Mommyhood (™), even if you had friends with kids before, they leave this out until you’re “one of them” Granted, I don’t think this is an innate character trait, it’s more a combination of neuroticism, external locus of identity, middle class anxiety and fear of f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:06 PM
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