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Confidence in yourself is built by developing competence in flourishing, knowing you’re competent at flourishing and knowing that that’s the most important activity to be competent at.
/r/seduction05/05/25 02:07 AM
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lol. Good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 08:03 PM
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Posts with titles knowingly made for clickbait should get downvoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 07:50 PM
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Thanks. I wasn’t saying that guys can’t help their shyness, but that the guy in question was basically a great guy for her except for, at least, the shyness. Maybe he just hadn’t worked on his shyness yet because he had more important things to do or maybe it’s real flaw that he should have dealt with. Both men and women have to deal with shyness and, if a woman chooses to approach, approach anxiety, except that men have more control so it’s easier for them to deal with it. I don’t think women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 07:09 PM
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Good question. It’s an “all other things being equal” situation whereby there are lots of other things that would make it so that it’s better for the woman to take the initiative at the beginning of the relationship. If, for whatever reason, the woman knows more about him and knows she likes him, then she should take the initiative. Or maybe they are in a business situation where the risk of being accused of sexual harassment is higher for the man. Or, maybe they both know each other and the guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:07 PM
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DISCLAIMER: women are also doing some measure of proving along the way too. Good conversationalist, attractive, compatible, etc This is partially why your view is mistaken. Guys should take the initiative and demonstrate who they are first, but women are just as required to demonstrate who they are second. It’s an equal burden. The reason guys should demonstrate first is because they naturally have more control in sex and in physical action. Since guys have more control, then it’s easier for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:47 PM
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Yeah, people have lots of contradictory views about sex. So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:43 PM
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That’s not how science works. You can’t just conclude that women do it for men because they dress sexier/more revealing during ovulation. Why do they wear sexier clothing during ovulation? If it’s because they are feeling horny, then many women are more likely to dress for men when they are feeling horny. But that doesn’t mean women do not also wear revealing clothes for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:52 AM
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Women don’t wear revealing outfits for male attention Agreed. Ok. If I put on an outfit that would be considered revealing, I never once think about wanting sexual attention or wanting to draw people to look at my body. I just like the outfit and if anything, I want people to look at the outfit I’ve put together not the body that’s modeling it. Ok. One, your body and the parts of your body you are showing are part of your look. And so, people are going to consider them all together and not just …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:48 AM
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I actually don’t want to speak to you again. I don’t care about the wants of someone immoral. And stop pushing your narrow mindedness on me please. It was YOUR ‘I want everyone to do THIS’ comment I was responding to. Here’s what happened. I responded to OP as he asked for responses. You responded to me, unsolicited, by pushing your irrational values onto me. I most certainly do NOT have to buy into your brand of immorality. Same bro. I’m not buying into your immorality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:33 PM
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Why don’t women with low-esteem ever go for unattractive men? Women with low self-esteem do go for men with low self-esteem. You can find examples. Also, low self-esteem men are riskier to women than vice versa, so it’s not as worth their while to pursue low self-esteem men. Feeling entitled/deserving of a high-value mate is completely antithetical to having low self-esteem. Yet in reality, you never see low-self esteem women going for (or even being open to) unattractive, unpopular, low-status …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:49 PM
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Never said it does. Nor should they. Oh yeah, then how “should” “men” treat women? Women generalize men, as a sex. Did you miss the whole man vs bear thing? You mean the stupid internet thing? That no one with half a brain took seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:19 PM
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I think it’s best if you don’t force your values on others, particularly me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:14 PM
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Are you trolling? What do you think makes a person a good person? Who are the heroes in your culture and why are they heroes? Who do you think represents the moral ideal?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:11 AM
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Hardly anyone believes that it’s moral for you to pursue what’s best for yourself or to pursue your rational self-interest or what’s best for your life as your highest moral purpose or that you are an end in yourself and not a means to others, society, the needy, some made up god. And yes, you should treat others as ends in themselves by having mutually beneficial relationships with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:40 AM
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Why are you talking about bluepillers to me? They don’t believe in men pursuing what’s best for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:17 AM
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Nah, the manosphere doesn’t really promote men pursuing what’s best for themselves, but sometimes the opposite. It doesn’t promote men treating women well, but sometimes the opposite. You might have a point that some women don’t like it because it encourages men prioritize their interests, but it doesn’t do it well and sometimes encourages men to exploit women for goals that aren’t actually beneficial to men. So the manosphere isn’t doing anything that most women aren’t already doing. If individ…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 04:53 AM
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I mean this in the sense that women don’t tend to have to make tough decisions the same way a man does, this is one of the things that makes me envy women a lot. I don’t think this is true. 1: I feel like women can kind of have it all in a way men kind of can’t. What I mean is I feel like women don’t get backed into corners the same way a man can. A woman can be emotionally venerable but still strong, where as for a man being seen as weak once can ruin you, a woman can be beautiful and successfu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:38 AM
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Same reasons I’m not enthused with promiscuity. I value sex in serious, exclusive relationships and I want more individuals to value that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:10 AM
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Is the intensity of need of love natural or built by ‘society’? It’s developed, but you can develop it based on natural facts about yourself that make it beneficial for you or by taking others on faith. There is a natural need for humans to reproduce and have a partner. People are naturally horny. The desire to reproduce is from people choosing to value having kids. And having kids can be beneficial to you based on natural facts about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:02 PM
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DM me and we can talk about it?
/r/seduction19/07/24 09:34 AM
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Yeah I would rethink the way you’re approaching things if you’re looking for a life partner, best of luck with that. Dating as much as possible doesn’t sound like the best use of your time. As to your self-esteem, I usually recommend basing it on knowing you’re competent enough at living successfully, particularly in thinking and productive work, and that you’re worthy of life/happiness because you’ve made yourself competent at living successfully. Also, sounds like you need to develop some more…
/r/seduction19/07/24 09:13 AM
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What’s your primary source of self-esteem? How is going on so many dates with all those women actually benefiting you? If they aren’t worth it, then the way you’re dating is needy.
/r/seduction19/07/24 08:37 AM
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If you want to be loved for your highest values and love someone for having them, then you need someone who shares your highest values. Like (using a generic value), if you value honesty, want to be admired for your honesty and want to admire someone for their honesty, then you need someone who is honest who only dates the honest. If they date the honest and dishonest, then they don’t care about honesty that much, which means that they’re probably not that honest and which means they don’t care …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:44 AM
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Hello, I got this book a few years ago called “Why men love bitches.” I’m an autistic woman who wants to find “the one,” (I met my ex by chance, and he was nice but wasted my time) and I wanted to know how neurotypical women manage to find partners and how to find one who’s willing to commit long-term. I’ve only read one dating book, but it didn’t approach the topic of what women or men like seriously. When you talk about men and women I think there are generally three distinctions you can make.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:51 AM
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It’s men that have lost their balls, their mind technically, and created a government that does this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:49 PM
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Nah, real men are the alpha and the omega.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 03:10 PM
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I’ll start out by saying in no way or shape do I think these people remotely represent the entire population. Ok. But still, we can use this as a microcosm where we can observe men and women’s behaviors when it comes to dating. You can’t have it both ways. At most you’re looking at men’s and women’s behaviors for the sort of people who are in the show.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 01:51 AM
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Dating for love is arguably harder for women. But it’s not men’s or women’s fault in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 09:11 PM
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But, I also thought... Why couldn’t she have just said that to him? Why couldn’t she have just suggested a new idea? Was his suggestion so revealing that it was enough to write him off entirely? I don’t think it was. It really just depends on whether it was worth it for her, how much she liked the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:28 PM
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Women are at disadvantage in physical action and sex in comparison to men, so men and women should take that into consideration. Though women aren’t so disadvantaged that they can’t achieve their own happiness. Using the term benevolent sexism is mistaken at best. Sexism is treating someone as morally inferior on the basis of their sex. Just say women prefer being treated as women or they prefer masculine men. For example, many women prefer men who pay for dates, viewing it as a sign of commitme…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:55 PM
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You can learn to base your self-worth primarily on something else besides women. And that’s what makes you worthy of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 12:31 PM
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Ah. That’s why becoming a trans woman is so popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:16 PM
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Q4W: What is the difference between having sex with a hot woman NOT striving for marriage and a hot woman who charges (time, energy, money) for sex? What do you mean by charging time/energy? All relationships take time and energy. The difference is that the hot woman is choosing you based on her values and yours ie based on who she is and who you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:38 PM
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From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_positivity Body positivity is a social movement that promotes a positive view of all bodies, regardless of size, shape, skin tone, gender, and physical abilities.[4] Proponents focus on gluttony and the appreciation of the functionality and health of the human body instead of its physiological appearance.[5] Body-positive advocates believe that size, like race, gender, sexuality, and physical capability, is one of the many ways that our bodies ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:07 AM
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Equality is good for women in some places and in some respects but not good in others. Equality before the law is good, equality of rights is good, equality as human beings ie women are ends in themselves, not a means to the ends of others. But men have the advantage in physical action and sex, so it can be good for both to feel that difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:00 PM
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It’s like how you don’t compliment prisoners for staying on a healthy diet. They just did what they were forced to. Your option is only a “positive” for those who want out of the marriage and need to be forced to stay in.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:00 PM
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To anyone who wants to only marry one person. If you only want to marry one person, then you do it freely without someone (the government) stopping you from divorcing or marrying someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:50 PM
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But it’s a negative option, so it’s a negative thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 01:17 PM
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And why is that enough justification? Should the state allow people to sell drugs to kids for a fee since it will help raise money?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 01:08 PM
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“Why”? For people who want to demonstrate a higher level of commitment than regular marriage. And why should the state pander to these people who want a lower level of commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 12:59 PM
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Sounds normal. Go find someone better for yourself. You don’t miss her as she is now really. You miss the her that liked you. That woman is gone.
/r/seduction09/07/24 08:05 PM
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No. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=touch%20grass I don’t have an answer because it’s too hard to understand what you’re asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 03:11 AM
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Stop being a goober by asking the question here.
/r/seduction08/07/24 05:45 AM
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Go touch grass please.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 05:17 AM
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Men who have self-esteem should commit to women of self-esteem. Average men shouldn’t commit. They should gain enough self-esteem first.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 04:27 AM
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It’s easy to abuse and use as an unhealthy replacement for seeking real intimacy. If it’s possible to use it healthily, you have to be much more careful than most people are. Sex should be for pleasure with someone you admire, so I don’t know if it can be healthily produced given that it’s very close to prostitution and given that sex is such a private act. Maybe if porn stars only produced with their actual lover and used AI to anonymize their appearances? Normally I would call out guys too on …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 06:59 PM
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You mean they’re like bad scientists ie scientists in name only.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 05:22 PM
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Ethically sex shouldn’t be considered a fundamental need like food, water and shelter. It’s not as necessary for your life and happiness in the short term as food, water and shelter, but pursuing it is necessary in the long term if you can. If we place sex on the same level of needs as water food and shelter this suggests that a woman denying a stranger sex is denying him something fundamental to his survival. This creates a moral and ethical obligation to fulfil the need for sex. Where refusal …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 10:40 PM
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Sex is primarily a psychological need. What makes sex great is that the person you’re having sex with shares your highest values which is a confirmation that you embody your own values. Like, let’s say being rational is one of your highest values. And you find a partner who you can tell also highly values being rational. Then, if that partner admires you enough to have sex with you because you’re rational, that’s outside confirmation that you are rational. Psychological/Emotional needs are all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:26 PM
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Love is an emotion you automatically feel towards something/someone you value. Romantic love is towards someone who shares your highest values. The greatest demonstration of romantic love is a great, relationship that lasts until death do you part. Those examples of sacrificing self-interest aren’t really sacrificing self-interest, but the opposite. You should go to the store to get some medicine for your lover because your lover should be more beneficial to you than the cost of getting the medi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:00 PM
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You want a FWB. I would say that’s a casual relationship. It’s just about sex. Though I don’t think a FWB or hook-ups are healthy for you in the long run, you might want to consider pursuing hook-ups. Your lack of experience makes it harder for you to get a FWB as you don’t have the first hand experience necessary to know what you want and you’re not practiced at dating/sex. Hook-ups can help with both of those. Hook-ups can lead into a FWB or at least a few hook-ups afterwards. I might be wrong…
/r/seduction04/07/24 07:57 PM
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At maximum, as long as she’s honestly trying to heal herself. That might be too long for a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:46 PM
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What does a relationship that’s based on love look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:48 AM
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It's not about what the metric should be, it's about what the metric is for people in practice. If you use a different metric than a typical person, you're going to have difficulties finding your match. Yes, sometimes pursuing what’s best for yourself means using different metrics than a typical person for many, many reasons. I never said genetic, I just meant looks which includes controllable variables like weight and skin condition. The conversation you inserted yourself into is about the part…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:38 AM
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You haven’t explained how the fact that most people have a partner of a similar looks level means that your metric as to whether someone is in your league should be their genetic physical appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:11 AM
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How is that relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:57 AM
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Normal by what standard? And so what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:36 AM
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You mean attractive by physical looks only. Ok. Physical attractive people generally date physically attractive people. So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:35 AM
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Good for you and good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:23 AM
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First of all, NOTHING beats natural beauty. Nothing beats natural good looks for what? How do you deal with the fact that you will always be ugly to a good chunk of women (or men) no matter what you change? Natural good looks aren’t that important for finding a serious relationship and they are even less important for happiness in general. Ugliness makes it harder, but not impossible. Man up. Accept that things will be a bit harder for you. Or don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:22 AM
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Why? And why does that view of “league” even matter? It doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 03:44 AM
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The worse self-improvement topics are aimed at men wanting to date women simply based on their hotness, not all. If your metric as to whether a someone is in your league is their physical appearance, then that’s completely mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 03:29 AM
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No, you have a lot of control. You can choose to pursue rationality, productive work, pride, self-esteem, friendships, enjoyment of the arts, hobbies, health, love and sex. If you choose pursue those to the best of your ability, the you’ll be attractive to some reasonable woman for a serious relationship. That’s all a matter of choice, not genetics, and it’s in your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 03:23 AM
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🤫
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 11:47 PM
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Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women What’s moral is what’s in your rational self-interest ie pursuing rationality, self-esteem, pride, productive work, friendship, enjoyment of the arts, health, love and sex. Pursuing those well is the best way to get a quality woman ie a woman who pursues those well. The best advice I got was that you have to act like you have options and that you don’t really need her approval. You should know you can, to the extent…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 11:45 PM
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Reasonable women see men who lack self-esteem as unattractive, that includes male sluts and men who fail in romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:46 PM
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Many men complain that they dont receive empathy, words of affirmation, and validation from women, and almost no woman wants to do anything with them unless they can exploit him in some way- resources. Many men just want to complain. That’s easier than dealing with their problems. But they also block and avoid well-meaning female friends who dont see them in a romantic light Your example is of a guy who is avoiding you because he likes you, you don’t like him, so it’s better for him to get some …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:20 AM
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Once you reach a certain level of attractiveness is there any incentive in working ? Yes, independence, real self-esteem, purpose, you’re going to get older, you want a great guy. Does anybody know any consensus 10/10’s who have regular jobs ? So not celebrities, models, artists? And like, if they have regular jobs, then how can they be well known enough for there be a consensus?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:22 AM
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the fundamental difference between a want and a need is that you can quantify a need. Ok, whatever. I’m talking about what’s necessary for your life/happiness. You can’t quantify everything that’s necessary for that. If you don’t want to call that, what’s necessary for your life/happiness, a need, then ok, but that doesn’t change my point Having sex does not even alleviate the feeling of unworthiness for you. I never said it did. It can only help you confirm your existing judgement of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:16 AM
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validation will be different based on a person. sexual validation even moreso. it's not quantifiable. Why people need it for life/happiness doesn’t differ. You don’t need to quantify it in others for your own life/happiness. Just because something isn’t currently quantifiable that doesn’t mean it’s not real. Like, how color was before people discovered different wavelengths of light. does getting sexually validated confirm you are worthy of life and happiness? It helps. The pleasurable experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 02:51 AM
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validation is an abstract social concept that is construed in someone's head. Why? Accurate validation by worthwhile people helps you confirm, from an outside perspective of yourself which you can’t have, that you’re worthy of life/happiness. It’s also an achievement on its own. And knowing you’re worthy of life/happiness is important for pursuing life/happiness for yourself. If you don’t think you’re worthy of acting for, then you won’t act for yourself. why should men have to improve themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 02:25 AM
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Prostitution should be legal, since a woman has a right to her body, but normalized and recommend for struggling men? No. Men do need sex. But men also need food, but does that mean all food that doesn’t kill you right away is good for you? No. Men need sex for validation. But, the validation is only worthwhile if the woman is actually worthy of admiration and she’s choosing him because he’s actually worthy of admiration. Prostitution ruins this. A prostitute will have sex with just about whomev…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 01:52 AM
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Is it natural for men to be promiscuous or to be married? It’s natural in the sense that if you choose to learn what’s best for yourself based on your nature, then that’s generally a serious, exclusive relationship. But people aren’t born knowing what’s best for themselves nor do they automatically pursue what’s best for themselves. have the natural urge to be attracted to others while we’re in a relationship, Well, it’s natural in the sense that if you automatically react to your type, but that…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:28 PM
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Everyone knows why the dating market for casual sex is severely skewed in women's favor. You mean because more men pursue women for casual sex than vice versa ie more men see women as disposable accessories. On the other hand, let's consider a modern woman. She has her female friends for companionship, support, and emotional intimacy; and unlike male friendships, these female friendships are very close, very strong, and very intimate, often to the point of mimicking an asexual lesbian relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 08:35 AM
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Sure, women and men can both approach and be approached, but the stakes are different. Men feel pressured to approach, because most women do not approach; most women do not approach, because they’ve learned that men are expected to approach them. So then you see that feminists have been pushing for what you say you want. How is what you said any different from saying men are “better suited” to be doctors, lawyers, etc.? Men can orgasm much more easily in sex. They can be more assured that, if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 08:04 PM
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They want women to have two options while men only have one. If women can both approach and be approached, that means men can both approach and be approached. I’m saying that women should have one option because it empowers them and reduces the risk of being in uncomfortable situations with men who feel pressured to make a move. Ok. And it’s not going to work because men are better suited to making the first move. You’re fighting against reality here. So are you saying that women are uplifted by…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:13 PM
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Feminists have “pushed” for this, but that really just means they want women to go against societal norms. They are not trying to reverse or do away with this particular societal norm. I’m sorry what? Pushing for it and wanting women to go against the norms is exactly how you try to reverse or do away with a norm. And bigger social circles means they can be consoled by more people. If your self-esteem requires being consoled by more people, then you don’t have self-esteem. And it’s funny that yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:52 PM
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Women making the first move would solve a lot of the issues with modern dating. No, it wouldn’t. Men are better suited to make the first move. And, if you like someone, being better suited to making the first move is an advantage. Men have to approach first; men have to message first; men have to “make a move” to initiate physical intimacy first. If you think that’s the majority of the work, then you don’t know much about relationships. But why hasn't feminism pushed for women to be pursuers? I’…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:25 PM
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One of the ways that really poor people get by like in 3rd world countries is by forming really strong interpersonal bonds. You mean forming bonds based on needing each other, which only last as long as they need each other. It makes perfect sense, the more you have yourself the less you need other people, and the less you have the more you really need others. It’s more that the way you need other people changes. You’re thinking of needs in a barely surviving way instead of what’s necessary for …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 10:02 PM
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From Https://courses.aynrand.org/works/the-objectivist-ethics/ The principle of trade is the only rational ethical principle for all human relationships, personal and social, private and public, spiritual and material. It is the principle of justice. A trader is a man who earns what he gets and does not give or take the undeserved. He does not treat men as masters or slaves, but as independent equals. He deals with men by means of a free, voluntary, unforced, uncoerced exchange — an exchange whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 08:59 PM
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It would be a huge red flag. It’s nothing to do with being intimidated. You don’t sell sex or being a lover just like you don’t sell friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:32 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 05:07 AM
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Only what I said. If there’s some part you don’t understand in particular, then ask about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:51 AM
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Honesty would mean you not deliberately misquoting me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:59 AM
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I was assuming we were talking about romantic partners who were married in everything but name.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:28 AM
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Traditional concepts of masculinity and femininity are mistaken and often sexist, but there is an element of truth. Men and women are both ends in themselves and not a means to the other’s ends. They should both pursue their rational self-interest and happiness as their highest moral purpose ie rationality, productive work, self-esteem, pride, friendships, beautiful art, love and sex. There are differences between men and women that are largely irrelevant to pursuing those, but consider sex. Men…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:12 AM
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Thanks man. Appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 01:10 AM
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But it’s not clearly unsustainable though, particularly forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:58 PM
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Such is to be expected when you don’t have a good understanding of what’s objectively worthwhile to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:56 PM
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You’re reading comprehension, rationality and honesty are beyond compare. What are you doing on Reddit? Your too good for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:04 PM
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At the end of the day, marriage was built to provide a context for people to come together and raise children, that's it. Even if this is true, why should we accept the purpose that someone else designed marriage for? It doesn’t mean that marriage should always be for that purpose someone else designed it for. It doesn’t mean marriage shouldn’t or couldn’t serve a better purpose. Marriage wasn't designed to be both a structure for raising kids and a container for passion and fullfilment. It just…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:02 PM
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Exactly. You deserve so many dongerz for your genius.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:36 PM
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Women don’t approach men because rejection for women has a much bigger stigma It’s more that it’s easier, as matter of basic biology, for men to approach women than vice versa. Men are bigger and stronger, which makes acting easier in general. Men can orgasm much more easily from sex and they can know that they will pleasure their partner. While women can’t orgasm as easily and they don’t know whether the man will give them pleasure. As a man, you know that you’ll be able to orgasm once a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 02:05 AM
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No, but you wouldn’t be fined half of your personal assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 01:40 AM
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Nope. All laws are backed by the police, the military and the prisons.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 10:40 PM
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Yes. So what would happen if the man wanted to get out but the woman didn’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 10:38 PM
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How does your government enforce the law? Please and thank you? Sunshine and unicorns?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:45 PM
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Putting a gun to the head of your spouse to keep them married to you when they don’t want you to is really gross. It shows a lack of self-respect primarily. There are problems with marriage that should be addressed, but no fault divorce is good for men and for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:52 PM
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No. No fault divorce should exist along with the adulterer not getting anything if you can prove adultery.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:45 PM
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Any reasonable judge should say you are legally married if you do all the legal aspects without calling it marriage. Legally, marriage is just the combination of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:28 PM
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She becomes your legal next of kin. She takes your last name. It makes sharing property easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:23 PM
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So you believe the only worthwhile difference between being married and not is that the police will put a gun to the head of your wife if she wants to divorce, does something and you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:20 PM
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No fault basically makes marriage somewhat meaningless in that you’re agreeing to bounce at anytime for any reason, It’s the opposite. It means that legal barriers aren’t what is keeping you together. Believing that legal barriers to separation by the government makes your marriage meaningful is weird. You should be able to marry and divorce whenever you think is best for yourself. No-fault divorce is a reflection of that. And, you should be able to use prenups or not whenever you think is best …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:06 PM
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Men don't actually want women's love in a relationship. They want respect Reasonable men want a woman’s love. And a woman can’t love you without respecting you, but she can respect you without loving you. I've been thinking about the net total of what I see men typically ask for in a relationship, and in my opinion these so-called "requirements" can only be summarized as "respect". Online? What men ask for online is not representative of men never mind reasonable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 11:24 PM
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Do they mention 2018 in there?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 04:01 AM
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Do you have a link that shows that it was specifically Democrats that tried to add women in 2018? The link you provided doesn’t do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 08:29 PM
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Why do many woman use methods of deflection rather than confronting the core argument? Neither sex is more rational than the other. Many men do the same thing. I notice that whenever a man holds a woman accountable, rather than trying to reason and use logic, they often use methods of deflection. Men do it often as well. So the real question is why do many individuals not confront the core argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:00 PM
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Why do you care? Have you been with a prostitute or are you planning on it? Sex is sex, all it is is a physical act, any emotional attachment put on it is one's arbitrary opinion. It’s not. The main pleasure of sex is emotional. That’s why when a woman with does something objectively bad, like rapes you, then you lose attraction for her. Nothing has actually changed about the physical act of sex with her. And your emotions are automatic reactions based on your chosen value judgements. You judge …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 10:58 PM
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I don’t have any corners to work on though.
/r/seduction19/06/24 07:39 AM
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Yeah, in a round shape.
/r/seduction19/06/24 07:08 AM
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What man needs is more self-esteem to stand up for himself as an end in himself, for his self-interest. He should stand up for any interests that are particularly to him as a male as part of his self-interest. And men can’t do it without women (just like women had the help of men), so men should align themselves with women based on shared self-interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:24 AM
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If by subjective you mean whatever someone feels like, then no. What’s cheating is primarily objective or a matter of reason. It’s something like engaging in romantic/sexual stuff without your lover’s consent. It’s just that there are valid, reasonable options for what constitutes cheating based on what your lover consents to just like there are different shades of blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:30 PM
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A gold digger or a woman who cares about social status because it’s social status isn’t worth pursuing. I might agree that on average that a woman who changes her mind isn’t going to for a good reason and you should take that into consideration, but the chance for what happens on average doesn’t necessarily apply to your particular case. Like, let’s say that 1/7 billion people die from a shark attack every year. That doesn’t mean that your risk of dying from a shark attack is 1/7 billion in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:59 PM
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If you have real self-esteem, including that your primary source of happiness isn’t romance, then all a rejection means to you is that the person doesn’t like you now. Though, I imagine most guys who are pursuing women who are rejecting them over and over don’t have real self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:18 PM
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Coz let’s be honest, if a woman does not find you attractive, she is not very likely to give you a chance. Sure. But like I said, sometimes the reward is worth the risk. Men and women do sometimes find people attractive that they didn’t in the past. Maybe you’re thinking about this from the perspective of a woman? Men have the advantage in physically acting and in sex (due to the advantage in physically acting, in orgasming during sex and the inability to become pregnant). Women are at a relativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:08 PM
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where’s the infamous male ego? Guys don’t inherently have real self-esteem or real pride, so some men just have low self-esteem or false self-esteem. Also, you can pursue (if that’s what you mean by coax/convince) a woman who has rejected you without begging for love and you can do it successfully. Sometimes a woman is worth the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 02:46 PM
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No. My values are too important to me to want a woman just because she’s beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:16 AM
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Thank you. I can see that you like muscular men from your profile. I’m not into men but good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 10:04 PM
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Message me when they post here and I will.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:54 PM
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You can choose to learn that women are not morally inferior to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:50 PM
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Imagine believing women were morally inferior to men and being attracted to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:43 PM
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Where’s the part where you explain how everyone’s enabling an addict?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:47 PM
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Perhaps the Redpill is right- all we can do is enjoy the decline, and immerse ourselves in our tiny real-life bubbles and niche communities where we bury our heads and cover our ears to the footsteps of our impending doom. Sounds like a whole bunch of rationalizations not to stand up for yourself. If men don’t stand up for themselves ie pursue their rational self-interest and happiness as their highest moral purpose, then they deserve their doom.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 03:40 AM
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You can learn to pursue romance so that you can know your wife had your baby without a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 02:06 AM
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Some men will use just about any rationalization they can think of to justify their failure in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 05:15 PM
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Your rational self-interest is always moral.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 06:23 PM
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If you were grounded in reality, you’d be pursuing your rational self-interest as your highest moral purpose? Are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 06:18 PM
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If you like your girlfriend and you’re somewhat reasonable, you don’t run experiments on her. You don’t intentionally send men at her to hit on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 06:06 PM
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It’s more than there are biological factors that make it easier for men to pursue women than vice versa, like being taller makes it easier to play basketball than being shorter. But there’s no instincts that make men pursue women just like there’s no instincts that make taller people play basketball or even play basketball well. RP is wrong in this case because it implies a very low view of women, that the better men can’t find a singular woman worth pursuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 04:48 PM
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You can start by learning how to pursue your rational self-interest as your highest moral purpose so you can actually identify the issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 06:52 PM
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Men have the advantage in sex. It’s helpful for both men and women if men use that advantage and essentially take the initiative in sex. It’s not a man’s responsibility to turn a woman on apart from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:49 PM
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No, it’s not horrible. You’re best off having sex with someone you really admire, regardless of whether they are a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:49 PM
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Good for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 02:51 AM
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Someone badly defined what’s of benefit to men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 05:25 PM
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Men have the advantage in life, particularly in sex, so it wouldn’t be the same if the sex was reversed. That doesn’t excuse the rudeness of the woman though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:21 PM
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Don’t think I’ve ever seen another guys dick in a bathroom. Maybe while I was using the urinal, but not just walking past.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:19 PM
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Same problem with selling your “friendship”.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 01:56 AM
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I see. So you were just quoting me instead of putting reasonable in quotation marks as if reasonable women didn’t exist. Reasonable women aren’t quick to move on supposing that it’s an unimportant wrong move or aspect they dislike about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:20 AM
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You mean look at the stated height requirements of some women on dating apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 03:38 AM
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I’ve found that guys who think no women in the West are reasonable don’t know reason from a hole in the ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 03:26 AM
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I wasn’t talking about “reasonable” women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 02:41 AM
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It’s not accurate to think of the feminine role in romance as passive. It’s more like it’s reactive. A good analogy is dance. The follow roll in dance isn’t passive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 02:36 AM
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I see. That doesn’t matter to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 02:31 AM
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It’s evidence that men are better suited to lead in some ways, not that men will always be in charge. Also, it doesn’t support traditional dynamics. Those have some serious flaws. It doesn’t support that the issue is a matter of natural instincts. It’s not. Also, someone could say that it’s evidence that the culture currently doesn’t support women taking the lead but the culture could change so that it supports women taking the lead.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 02:22 AM
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I said: It’s not a problem for pursuing reasonable women and you shouldn’t pursue unreasonable women. He replied: Very attractive women aren’t very reasonable. I said: That’s not a problem if you’re interested in dating women who aren’t very attractive. And now you bring up an irrelevant point about women having more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 02:02 AM
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If that’s true, that’s only a problem if you’re only interested in seriously dating very physically attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:46 AM
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No, they wouldn’t date Pearl because she’s ugly, when they put a huge emphasis on appearances, and she’s actually career driven. The fact that she agrees with them is irrelevant. And they are also man whores. Edit: Ok. She’s not ugly. But she’s not particularly attractive compared to what sort of women they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 12:26 AM
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Pearl is an “independent” woman. I say “independent” because she’s not really an independent thinker ie pro-reason. She’s career driven as a YouTuber and a political commentator. Also, people getting annoyed in the comment section doesn’t prove anything. Why wouldn't a guy like Brian Atlas, for instance, not date a guy like Pearl that agrees with all of his redpill views (and puts down other women for not agreeing with those views)? He can probably get a hotter woman who agrees with his views or…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 12:18 AM
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Based on the fact that men take the initiative more than women. Also, women have to deal with desperate men more than vice versa, so it could be knee jerk reaction. And men can make mistakes in taking the initiative that can make them look desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 11:04 PM
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The fact that it’s easier to mischaracterize a man than a woman as desperate doesn’t mean much. When you’re pursuing reasonable women, you’ll only be temporarily mischaracterized. If she’s unreasonable, then it’s good to know so you can find someone better. You can deal with being starved for attention without being desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 10:57 PM
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No, men and women can tell when the opposite sex is desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 10:16 PM
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Marriage can also be financially detrimental in the event of a divorce And? or if both parties are above a certain tax bracket. That’s a mark against the laws, not against marriage. I like to know exactly what terms I'm agreeing to when I sign contracts, but the plethora of laws surrounding marriage makes this task more difficult. That’s a mark against the laws. And if you live like you’re married, particularly if you pursue the legal benefits in other ways, the court is right going to decide th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:34 PM
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Well, being a human means being a man or being a woman, so it’s not separate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 06:04 PM
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I don’t know what your point is. Marriage confers legal benefits. How you get those benefits doesn’t matter. A rose by any other name smells just as sweet. It’s just dumb to get them in other ways when marriage is the easier way to get them. And I doubt you really disagree on the importance of ceremonies, unless you refuse to go to all ceremonies that people have like funerals, birthdays, weddings, graduations, engagement parties etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 05:53 PM
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I see. They have lots of unreasonable views. I missed your question and added it to an edit in my original reply you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 05:42 PM
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You seem to be just pointing out that people on the internet have all sorts of conflicting views, which doesn’t prove much. Edit: I didn’t read your whole post so I missed the question. So PPD, what is your stance on this frequently conflicting rhetoric about a woman's role in society/dating? What can be done to reconcile these two stances in order to make something that's a middle ground and less extreme. The right answer isn’t necessarily less extreme or the middle ground between two mistaken …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 05:31 PM
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If you do all of those other legal processes then you’ve practically gotten married legally without actually calling it marriage. There’s also the importance of ceremonies to mark important occasions in life, including finding someone you intend to spend the rest of your life with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 05:04 PM
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Is there any real proof that women are sexual beings or is it just hearsay? What in the world is a sexual being to you? Tons of studies that show men releasing tons of endorphins during sex, tons of studies showing pleasure is a man's main motivation to have sex, studies show men initiate sex far more, masturbate far more, think about sex more ect... but I haven't seen any for women So you doubt that women can have pleasure as their main motivation? That women can initiate sex, masturbate or thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 04:59 PM
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Marriage, to me, does not reflect the actual care and love two people have for each other. If two people who actually care for each other and love each other, then they’ll get married (supposing marriage laws are reasonable enough). But that doesn’t mean that getting married means you love each other. A implies B doesn’t mean B implies A. Many married people are unhappy. That’s true, but isn’t necessarily true. Many people in relationships are unhappy, so maybe people shouldn’t get in a relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 04:43 PM
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You don’t have parental rights and responsibilities until you become a parent, getting a woman pregnant accidentally outside of marriage doesn’t make you a parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 03:06 PM
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No, he doesn’t. You don’t suddenly become a father just because you get a woman accidentally pregnant just like a woman doesn’t suddenly become a mother because she gets accidentally pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:56 PM
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If a woman gets accidentally pregnant outside of marriage and decides to keep the child, then the man should only get parental rights and responsibilities if the woman offers them and he accepts. If he doesn’t accept or she doesn’t offer, then he has no parental rights and responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:54 PM
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Like what does it even mean? It means that you have some interests in common. It’s something to bond over, like the other person for, enjoy pursuing with the other person. You’re going to spending a lot of time with your lover in a serious relationship so you might as well find someone who enjoys doing some of the things you do so you can enjoy doing them together. Do both have to like video games and anime in order to have a fulfilling relationship? No. Things like having common goals and value…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:33 PM
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Women always say if men paid attention they wouldn't be shocked by the breakup, but is it even possible for the man to save the relationship? When a relationship goes bad, it’s generally worse for women than it is for men due the greater risk women face of assault/rape from men than vice versa, so it’s possibly the case that women generally are more aware when the relationship is going badly, so men are more likely to be shocked by a break up. And women apparently do dump men more. https://today…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 01:53 PM
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As the other guy said, your personal experience is too much of the post for the title of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 01:33 PM
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It’s a mistaken reaction in a culture that has a bad view of femininity and lacks a good view.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 10:30 PM
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It’s probably the latter and then being married helps them continue to pursue success and happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 09:29 AM
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I don't know if my uncle is justifying being in a toxic and emotionally abusive relationship, He’s justifying being in a toxic relationship and not standing up for a better relationship for himself. It’s weakness not strength to put up with a woman who emotionally abuses you instead of getting her to improve or dumping her. He’s also probably mischaracterizing a woman’s valid points as abusive to avoid his own faults. He’s leaving out that more men do arguably worse things to women as well. He’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 12:04 AM
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You’re supposing an impossible hypothetical. There’s no way dating apps could be shut down permanently without a crisis threatening civilization itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 07:13 PM
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What’s the main one? That’s probably the one I’m talking about lol. It’s called Objectivism
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 11:00 PM
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Cool. If you want a serious place to discuss Objectivism and stuff in general, I can recommend you a discord server.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 10:42 PM
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Yah
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:06 PM
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Around 1 in 50 fathers are unknowingly raising children that are not theirs. Should we normalize paternity tests? What’s the percentage among reasonable men? No, what “we” should normalize is individuals pursuing their rational self-interest and happiness as their highest moral purpose. That way you’ll have less paternity fraud without having guys unjustly imply that their wives committed paternity fraud against them. This is families where the fathers are highly confident it is their children a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 05:22 AM
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Depends on the person. Also, for girls that prefer guys with more muscle, then it will make you more physically attractive to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 10:46 PM
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Is the advice you hear representative of the advice men get in general? Let’s put aside advice on Reddit because redditors aren’t representative of the larger population. But here are some causes. People don’t support their rational self-interest as their highest moral purpose, but often the opposite. They don’t know very well what’s in their self-interest, including how to pursue love and sex so that it’s beneficial for them. In real life I hear people say, try to wait for the right one to guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:12 PM
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Yeah, not a particularly good reason. Even putting aside the vagueness of many and how true your claim is, that doesn’t make it impossible for a man who is competent at achieving his rational self-interest to find a woman nor does it make the pursuit worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:24 PM
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Your rational self-interest is your highest moral purpose, so sex and love are good, so it depends on why you’re celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:19 PM
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Equality means I’d say the exact same thing to a woman if her stated rationalizations for being celibate were as ridiculous as his.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:08 PM
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I have decided to be celibate. Thank you for sacrificing yourself. Women are better off without men like you. Men are better off without guys like you bothering women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:53 PM
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That’s fine that you feel that way about Christianity but I respectfully disagree. If you want to hold ideals that aren’t true and so they aren’t as useful for love as they could be, then it’s your funeral. As for casual relationship, I mean a relationship one goes into for just a good time, temporary company or for practice. Well, you’ll get better bang for your buck by pursuing serious relationships with women you really admire. But maybe you need to learn the hard way.
/r/seduction28/04/24 05:39 PM
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My faith is still very important to me but I want, at least for a while, to have lots of casual relationships, sex and to ultimately be a better lover through deeper experience and game. I think I can do this while still being moral; especially by being honest about where I’m at. If you believe that sex before marriage is a sin, then you can’t morally have any sex before marriage never mind lots of casual sex. And I suspect that all Christian denominations would regard having lots of casual sex …
/r/seduction28/04/24 05:07 PM
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So they don’t have to challenge or think about the real reason they are having problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 04:32 PM
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Depends on what you and him mean by “accept you for who you are”. I don’t like the phrase. I think you should find a lover who loves the best parts of you and doesn’t accept your flaws to the extent they are serious and worthwhile for you to address.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:46 PM
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If you mean that there are more worse guys into casual sex more than worse women into casual sex, then I don’t think many women would disagree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 05:22 PM
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Not interested at all in casual sex. I’ve never particularly had the options, but I could never seriously pursue it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 03:24 PM
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Success at what? At hook ups? And it’s not like you’re using them, you are using them. But you’re also letting them use you, hiding yourself so they can get what they want from you.
/r/seduction14/04/24 02:21 PM
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I don’t know how much men struggle to get a date with a great woman for them for a romantic relationship in comparison. I’m sure women struggle in finding a great man to get a date with for a romantic relationship as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:26 PM
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I don’t think it’s easier. The men who are saying that guys have the hardest time are speaking about their own experience and mistakenly generalizing. Or they’re not looking for a romantic relationship. Romantic relationships are arguably harder for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:19 PM
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Is There Such Thing as an "INVALID" Reason to Not Date Someone? I've seen a number of comments on this sub about "women reject men for invalid reasons", and on other places I've seen women complain the same for men. However... I would argue that no reason is "invalid", because personal preferences aren't about logic, they're about opinion. And even if a reason seems minor or inappropriate, it's still true that a deal-breaker is a deal-breaker, no matter how much you shame the person. I’d argue t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 08:08 PM
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So you said nothing of significance in your first sentence and that you at least partially agree with me in your second.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 04:47 AM
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If you choose to pursue the best possible life for yourself, then that might mean changing who you are as a result of your past choices at your core.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 04:29 AM
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I hate to break it to you, but your sucky personality is within your control. And your looks are partially within your control. And that’s enough for the better woman for a serious romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 03:55 AM
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If your goal is what’s best for your life, then there are different levels of success. The best being a great relationship that lasts until death. And then there are those that you pursue on the way to that, where you have a good time and you did your best (you can’t control the other person) and the relationship will be helpful to achieving a better relationship in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 06:23 PM
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With this in mind. It makes sense why women are more focused on personality/love. Women are currently more focused on personality/love, at least earlier in life before men learn what’s better for themselves, because men have the advantage in sex so they can get away with not caring about a woman’s personality. It’s easy for men to orgasm in sex. It’s easier for men to perform and coordinate the actions of sex being bigger and stronger. Men can’t become pregnant, so that’s less of an issue. They …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 05:10 AM
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I don’t think it would exacerbate the complaints of reasonable men. That’s an acceptable risk to take when having sex for pleasure outside of marriage with a reasonable woman. Edit: And that’s also something a man could discuss with his lover before hand, what would happen in the case of an accidental pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:48 AM
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The way to deal with this is based on the understanding that men don’t automatically have parental rights and responsibilities when a woman becomes pregnant accidentally outside of marriage. It’s the woman’s choice to offer him parental rights and responsibilities and his choice to refuse. Then the burden is on the woman to get a commitment from him if she wants one within a timeframe that’s good for her. Also, it allows women to choose the have the child without having to have a bad father or a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 08:17 PM
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Why? Basically, because women stood up for themselves and persuaded others and men haven’t. Women should have the right to abort until birth. Men shouldn’t by default have parental rights and responsibilities in the case of an accidental pregnancy outside of marriage. Women should have the right to offer it or not in those cases. Men should have the right to refuse. If men want that, then they have to persuade others just like women did and just like black people had to stand up for themselves f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 06:45 PM
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As life gets materially easier, the challenges of living change and people need a more modern, better morality to live and deal with them. This includes better reasons to have children. Without this, they can’t meet the challenges in life, so the future looks bleak to have children in. The issue is that societies are progressing to a point, like women being able to go to college, and then running into problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:00 AM
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You know that makes your growth meaningless right? It’s not that you chose to grow and that women didn’t, but that you were born a man and not a woman, which is why you had a higher chance of growing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 07:32 AM
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Say a school, there's the 10/10 popular guys that bangs every girl. 10/10 guys don’t bang every girl. They only bang 10/10 girls. You’re using popularity/looks as the standard for what makes a guy 10/10. Yeah, guys who are currently popular/look good can have casual sex with more women, but the better women aren’t interested in sex nor a relationship with male sluts. They can fool the better women sometimes particularly if they are young, but the better women will learn and learn how to better j…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 04:55 PM
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Often when people say that have unreasonably high standards, what that means is that they have unreasonable standards that look high to them but aren’t actually high. Other times, they don’t meet their own high standards. Given that you’re a “Christpilled” man, I’m suspicious of how suitable your standards are for pursuing a great relationship for your own flourishing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 04:34 PM
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in reality 8/10 women are seduced by the 9/10 and 10/10 men and get an inflated sense of self-worth and will see the "great relationship" potential man (the 8/10 that matches her) as just settling for lower. No, this is what you’re supposing. “9/10” or “10/10” men don’t settle for an “8/10”. And while there might be some “8/10” women who get an inflated sense of self-worth, making them no longer a “8/10”, there are men who make similar errors. Men aren’t inherently better than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 04:23 PM
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But why would a man wait for a unicorn and die a virgin while dreaming something that is impossible for them? Men aren’t inherently better than women, so it’s not like there are significantly more men who want and are worthy of a great relationship than women. And it’s possible for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 03:58 PM
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Because a great relationship requires high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 03:42 PM
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Nonsense. Men and women who want great relationships have similar standards. Now, are there more guys who don’t want a great relationship and so have lower standards than women? Maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 03:46 AM
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Maybe someone got what you meant, but it wasn’t me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:57 AM
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Yeah, that’s not going to work well for yourself in the long run. But you’ll find out one way or the other. If you cared about yourself, you’d be for no fault divorce and birth control. And the idea that women are inherently worse than men (like being inherently hypergamous or solipsistic) is just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 08:14 PM
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Your values / personality / character are relatively more important in relationships and relatively less important for casual sex. It’s easier to get casual sex as a guy if you’re hot and willing to spend lots of money on a fling. I wouldn’t say woman’s standards are higher for casual sex, but different and worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:26 PM
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Evasion. Failure in life. Lack of a more rational philosophy, particularly a morality but also a view if masculinity and femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:38 PM
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the fact that evolution didn't filter out all the hair from women already means it's not a big issue or it would be selected out already. The fact that evolution didn’t select for something doesn’t mean that it’s not a big issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 12:00 PM
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I’m sure all the women who have died in birth would disagree with you. And I never said it was a big issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:50 AM
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Intelligent design isn’t a thing. There’s no god behind evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:26 AM
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What a sad life to live when there’s no real beauty in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:44 AM
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Women with unshaved armpits do that? I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:21 AM
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I’m for women shaving their body hair (pits and legs) as being feminine and objectively beautiful, though permanently removing it would be more practical, but it’s not the same thing at all as grooming the hear on your head including facial hair. Armpit hair isn’t visible in professional contexts for the vast majority of the time for good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:02 AM
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I don’t know what your definition is, but that’s a mistaken and not very useful view of self-esteem. who draw their high self-esteem from the idea that they are the most important person on the planet and these people will get mad in various forms (tantrums, aggression, hysteria, etc.) when reality check happens and makes them face the uncomfortable truth that world doesn't revolve around them. Yes, that’s the false part. Their view is based on a falsehood.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:52 AM
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No, that’s false self-esteem as a coping mechanism to deal with low self-esteem. If they were secure, they wouldn’t feel the need to lash out or believe such nonsense as a divine right to women. They lash out because the rejection reveals the lie they tell themselves about having a divine right or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:22 AM
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You primarily satisfy your ideal woman by sharing her highest values. There are skills that can help you in dating, but your values or who you are is the foundation. Imo, the goal in dating is to convey who you are, get to know the other person and have good times together (based on your idea of a good time). That’s going to be difficult to do with a woman you don’t like.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 10:27 PM
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You can only discover your ideal type from pursuing the women you want and learning from that, supposing your starting standards are reasonable enough. It’s very unlikely that the first woman you date will be good enough. And you’re not going to be able learn what to do romantically with a woman you like except by pursuing a woman you like. Coming up with stuff to pursue a woman you don’t like isn’t helpful. You can’t practice deepening a relationship with someone you know you have no future wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 10:23 PM
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Yeah, that’s good as well. Lying could be a problem because the guy could try calling it and get no answer. I read somewhere of switching two digits in your number, so if he tries you can say it was a mistake and give him the real number. I’m not sure if the OP is a creep or if he’s just in denial or just ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 10:05 PM
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Yeah, I fully support you and other women lying to men like that out of self-defense. Part of the reason men are more aggressive is because men can be more aggressive because, like you said, men are stronger, bigger and heavier than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 08:17 PM
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No it’s not from delusional standards, speaking from experience. Men are more aggressive than women, so men with low self-esteem have more of a tendency to lash out after rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 07:44 PM
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If your goal is to develop a great relationship that will last the rest of your life, then no. This is not a good idea. Maybe if your standards are unrealistic then you should deal with that so you have better options.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 07:21 PM
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Huh? Maybe that men and women aren’t acting according to facts about sex well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 04:07 PM
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Men can orgasm more easily in sex. Men are bigger, stronger, heavier, so it’s easier for them to perform and coordinate actions during sex. This makes it easier for men to achieve pleasure in casual sex. This makes also makes men at much less risk from rape, which makes it easier for men to pursue casual sex. And then men can’t become pregnant, so they don’t face the same risks of an unwanted pregnancy. As to your romantic interest point, it’s harder for women to pursue casual sex, so women want…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 01:22 PM
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You persuade people to choose their flourishing over their death, including to use evidence-based reasoning to identify what’s necessary for them to flourish. They move the government towards one conducive for their own flourishing, so quality of life improves and gets easier. This will lead to a more positive vision for the future as well. People will get their lives together more quickly. You also explain to them the real benefits to their own flourishing of having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 07:44 AM
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Because people haven’t used evidence-based reasoning to identify what’s best. And many are against the idea that you can do such a thing. Also, people who are against divorce often bring this up as well to justify not divorcing or to oppose no fault divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 07:33 AM
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Check out Models: Attract Women Through Honesty by Mark Manson if you haven’t for some advice on approaching women.
/r/seduction25/03/24 04:30 AM
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It’s something that can and should be minimized. You can’t get rid of it entirely just like you can’t get rid of lying or cheating. But that’s not the same as saying that it should be illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 11:09 PM
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It’s the same as it is with any woman. You’re hopeful that the relationship develops towards having sex and beyond. Otherwise you wouldn’t be in the relationship. It also depends on why she’s a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 06:29 PM
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If sex truly doesn't matter so much, why are you getting to upset defending your choices to have sex with strangers? Because it does matter that much even if you try to treat it casually. Also, much of the time it’s criticized from a religious standpoint. And it also can’t be criticized apart from a moral standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 11:18 AM
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For one, man has free will. There will always be people who choose to evade and end up bitter. But if you want to minimize it then you have to minimize the number of bitter people. That’s means maximizing the number of people achieving their own flourishing. And there’s room for improvement there. The culture could use to better promote what’s necessary for you to flourish, including that your highest moral purpose should be your own flourishing. Also, a better conception of masculinity and femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 03:28 AM
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The primary issue isn’t other people, but yourself. How do you know you’re living the best you can? But you have some idea of what it looks like when people pursue their own flourishing and enough knowledge of the particular person. You can’t tell exactly since you can’t know everything about them, but you can tell roughly and at the extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 10:52 PM
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Only if the only way for everyone to fulfill their potential is to become a millionaire. That’s wrong though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 10:39 PM
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It’s completely just. Keep in mind that this only applies to people who are wasting their lives. If you’re young or if that’s the limit of your abilities then that’s fine. And the main problem with wasting your life isn’t that you won’t be liked, but that you’re wasting your life. And you can’t expect someone to admire you if you’re wasting your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:08 PM
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No. Your productive work is an important part of your life. For your own benefit, it should be your main source of purpose, self-esteem and happiness. If you’re wasting your potential by staying in a minimum wage job, then that’s not very admirable nor fun to be around since you’re not living life to the fullest.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 04:47 PM
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Your productive work is an important part of your life. And if you’re not working or in a minimum wage job, then you might not be ambitious enough for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 04:36 PM
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There’s no point. I’d rather pick my ideal option than choose between two non-ideal ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 04:17 PM
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Have your partner work a 9-5 job making $250k a year, contribute financially to the house, and split all chores and homemaking duties 50/50. The kids go to daycare when both of you are at work. Sex is once a week because your partner is exhausted from work (completely reasonable). More of this, but it depends on what’s best for the kids. If that means she can work some, then we can hire help so she’s not exhausted and can have more sex, both for her sake and mine. For brevity, you only have thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:21 AM
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Rather than trying to be an attractive man, think of it as what’s best for you. And what’s best is for you to gain self-esteem by getting competent at pursuing the values necessary for your flourishing. And you learn that a romantic relationship with a woman who shares your highest values is best for your flourishing. You learn that a woman’s choices are more important than her looks for a romantic relationship. So when you see a physically beautiful woman, you’ll know that you know little to no…
/r/seduction21/03/24 09:25 PM
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People accept bleak views to avoid challenging mistaken views that are important to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:15 AM
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It’s normal. It’s hard to impossible to determine whether you’ll have chemistry with someone before meeting them.
/r/seduction20/03/24 06:49 PM
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It depends on the guy. A man (or woman) has self-esteem is when a man is certain he is competent at thriving and he is worthy of life/happiness. His primary source of self-esteem should be his productive work. For the guys with real self-esteem, success in romance with a woman of self-esteem is more of an important confirmation of his self-esteem. You can’t see yourself from the outside like a woman can. For guys with low self-esteem, the positive appraisal of a woman is a substitute for his lac…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:45 AM
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Putting aside your specific example and how valid it is, probably because men haven’t cared enough to stand up for themselves, which might be related to that advantage men have in sex so they don’t feel threatened by a woman sharing details. I could count the number of men being rude/standoffish/etc... to a woman who approaches them on one hand, whereas I've seen dozens if not hundreds of women being rude/standoffish... to men who approach them. Men have the advantage in sex, so they approach wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 10:01 AM
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What sort of situation are you talking about exactly? Are you talking about two strangers where the woman is more physically attractive, the woman is interested in the guy but the guy isn’t interested, at least yet, in the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:55 AM
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Are you talking about when a man and a woman romantically like each other, but the woman is objectively more physically attractive than the man?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:40 AM
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Men have more control or the advantage in sex and in life to the extent that physical action is important for living. This gives them the advantage in love/dating to the extent that sex and having an advantage in living is important for love/dating. This is why generally it’s better for guys to take the initiative like your friend found out. Guys can more easily use a woman for sex. Also, if two people have similar romantic interest in each other and one has the advantage in pursuing that, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 03:52 AM
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Well, men initiate more than women, so maybe more men pursue a friendship with someone they like than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 06:01 AM
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A woman pushing for sex can leave a man feeling the same way. Granted, it’s rarer for a woman to push for sex. But yeah, pushing for anything unreasonably isn’t good.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:13 AM
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These things are resolved with wars, not with words. Indeed, a righteous struggle against evil. Indeed, when people like you are willing to destroy yourselves for the sake of nothing ultimately, war is the only way to deliver you to the death you want. They're righteous because I serve the imperium of heaven, the eternal city whose laws are absolute, immutable, and the impersonal laws of heaven which animate all that exist, set things into motion, and determine natural reality. It is a law, a ci…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 09:32 PM
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I'm arguing with someone who unironically thinks Objectivism is a deep philosopy. I offer nothing but criticism because it's a pointless waste of time to exchange solutions with an interlocutor with whom you share zero first principles. The nihilism goes even deeper. Though, since you’re big into self-sacrifice, a pointless discussion with me could be considered a moral, self-sacrificial act from your view. Nothing is more beautiful to me than a willingness and maturity to embrace self-sacrifice…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 03:53 PM
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I made descriptive claims, tearing down your critique of our predecessors by affirming, indeed, moral relativism. I know. That’s why I called you nihilistic. You’re only interested in tearing down. Urbs supra hominem. I embrace my death in service to the eternal city. That’s tragic. Before it’s too late, I hope you choose yourself over your destruction for the sake of nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 10:09 AM
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I just don’t understand why some men do this It’s a low self-esteem way of initiating, which men do for good reason. They believe they don’t have anything to offer you but their dick, so that’s what they send.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 09:33 AM
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One, utilitarianism is garbage. Two, it’s nihilistic to go around trying to persuade people they’re wrong on their philosophy unless you have a better one to offer or you want them to help you find a better philosophy. Three, I face the alternative of my flourishing or my death. Based on that factual alternative I face, I choose my flourishing. What about you? What do you face and choose?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 09:23 AM
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People need to accept that it's normal to not be in love with your spouse after some years No. It’s better for your own flourishing to pursuing a loving marriage. Let’s make a loving marriage the new normal. Do you honestly think that our grandparents were madly in love with each other all the time? The older generations knew that marriage is more of a duty. The older generations were wrong. The older generations supported sexism, racism, slavery, misogyny etc. Now, that doesn’t mean it’s their …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 08:52 AM
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Significant, but not the biggest. It’s the biological differences between men and women with regards to sex. That’s also contributes to slut shaming, in an unhealthy way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 09:32 PM
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People need to more seriously pursue what’s best for themselves, including in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 10:46 PM
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Because just because spending time with her as a friend was valuable to you that doesn’t mean that it was valuable for her. You both have validly different values.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 09:36 PM
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Like, no it can’t be. But, yeah it can be applied here though. You had too little respect for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 09:31 PM
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There is already lots of existing literature about why men commit more sex crimes than women. But do you think the "safety" aspect is another addition to the list? The fundamental reason is that men have the advantage in sex, as a matter of the difference in biology. And men can use this advantage in different ways. Like they can use it target women who are sex offenders or commit sex crimes. In other words, imagine a woman who, like male predators, feel entitled to their victims' bodies. But if…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 09:04 PM
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It seems to me that all of the couples I have interacted with are not as happy as they publicly purport to be. On the surface, a lot of people claim to be happily married, but then, if you pay attention and observe/listen carefully, the truth leaks out and they are miserable or, at the very least, they are not attracted to each other. There are a lot of unhappily married couples. That’s true. But that doesn’t mean love is a lie. At best it just means most people who claim to be happily married a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:06 PM
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As long as you’re honest in your intentions and approach, then the choice is on them. But even so, they probably do deserve better than a guy who only wants casual sex with them. But, I don’t know how easy it will be for you to persuade women like that instead of promiscuous women. And then there’s the question of whether you deserve better than casual sex.
/r/seduction04/03/24 04:47 PM
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Learning better standards to judge myself by, better goals for me to pursue and then pursuing them as best I could.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 03:51 AM
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I didn’t need to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 03:22 AM
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Sorry, I made the whole story up to make fun of the people complaining instead of dealing with their real problems. I was always aware it was a me problem when I was failing in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 03:07 AM
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Self-hatred.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:49 AM
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It came to me in a dream I had. But then I woke up and realized that I had rationalized views to avoid dealing with the real reasons I was having problems in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:35 AM
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I don't think I dated most of my preferences. Why because he's my opposite and his character is very important. Yes, I was talking about stuff like character as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 11:13 PM
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"It's not half, only 2/5ths!" You missed the important part of my point, but if you want to be deceived by statistics then that’s your business. Other men don’t. Why do you think that was what I was saying, when I never wrote that? It’s great that you don’t think that. But that makes the statistic irrelevant to choosing to marry. It says nothing about whether women are more likely to be responsible for ruining the relationship than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 05:46 PM
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For those unaware, the men's first love theory basically states that men never really get over their first love, and that men are subconsciously looking for a woman who resembles his first love. Nonsense. There are many counter examples. There could be some men like that. Also, people have preferences. If someone’s preferences don’t change, then yeah someone’s second girlfriend is going to be similar to his first. If you only date blondes, then your girlfriends are all going to be similarly blon…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 05:41 PM
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Can't point to stability as a benefit of marraige when half of them end in divorce This isn’t true. Divorce rates are in decline. It doesn’t apply to first time marriages. And it doesn’t necessarily apply to an individual’s chances either. https://www.goldbergjones-or.com/divorce/50-divorce-rate-lie/ and 70% of those divorces are initiated by the wife. Why do you think that initiating a divorce means being responsible for the problems that ruined the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 05:22 PM
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Why does this sub pretend like obvious things are super overcomplicated? So they don’t have to deal with the real reason they aren’t doing the obvious things. People on here seem to misinterpret what it means to be respectful or nice as well, it doesn't mean you should become a doormat without a personality (where did that even come from?) The dominant, but mistaken, moral ideal is to serve others, to sacrifice yourself for others, to be selfless.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 03:24 PM
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For your own thriving, your primary source of self-esteem, ie knowing you’re competent at thriving and worthy of life/thriving/happiness, should be from your productive work. It’s also important to be competent at pursuing love, so zero pressure isn’t good, but it’s helpful for yourself to approach and do it the right way. The best place for the motivation to come from is because you think dating and getting a girlfriend will improve your life. If it’s not, then something is going wrong somewher…
/r/seduction01/03/24 10:22 PM
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Why don't people just go and live their lives? People don’t believe that pursuing their own thriving is moral, but serving others or something bigger than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 04:42 PM
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Taking the lead or the initiative means pushing for every escalation first including exclusivity. This is particularly the case if you want a more submissive woman. Though, if a woman likes you way more than you like her she might ask you before you’re ready. It seems to be Red Pill rule #1 to never ask for exclusivity first. The girl should beg for your commitment, if she doesnt then she doesnt value it, etc. On paper it makes sense. Ive had it happen many times in my life. Good relationships f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 07:50 AM
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Well, you’re probably better off finding someone better for that than her.
/r/seduction27/02/24 03:42 PM
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When? I don’t know. But it’s not going to help men achieve their own happiness. If you think you’re competent at thriving and worthy of thriving/happiness, you’re going to be and know you’re worthy of love. You’re going to want a woman and not something to replace a woman. Maybe it could be used by people who are mentally unwell, including as tool to help themselves so that they no longer need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 03:34 AM
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If someone smacks you and walks away, you’re still wrong for pulling out your gun and shooting him in the back.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:49 PM
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It only means men are settling if a woman’s value or worth to a man is only her socioeconomic class. Also, I don’t think hypergamy is real in the way proponents of it mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:43 PM
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You change your goal to find someone to have an amazing, exclusive romantic relationship with. You then figure out whether that’s possible with her. It’s almost certainly not. So you find better things to do with your time.
/r/seduction26/02/24 07:53 PM
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There we go. That’s a much more understandable and interesting point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 10:58 PM
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Well, it reflects poorly on those men’s character if that’s what you mean. It’s not particularly relevant to men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 10:51 PM
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I’m not sure that’s true, but so what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 10:44 PM
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What’s your point? People believe all sorts of things, like that the earth is flat.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 08:52 PM
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Yeah, so I would find that gross and unhealthy similar to someone who loves being friends with liars/cheaters/jerks etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 07:40 PM
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Do we always have to try being somebody who we actually aren't? It seems like "just be yourself" is only viable when "yourself" is good enough to attract. Unless you think people should love productive, peaceful men and rapists equally, then you can’t be admired no matter what your choices. Furthermore, putting aside being loved, you can’t achieve your own thriving by doing whatever you wish either. There’s a lot of bad advice out there about what you should do to help yourself in romance which …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 07:37 PM
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Putting aside my opinion as her lover, what about her? Doesn’t it bother her that her nudes are now in the hands guys who were at one point, at least, male sluts in the age of social media? It would bother me for two reasons. It could come back to haunt her. Also, sex should be primarily for pleasure, not reproduction, between two people who admire each other. So it would bother me that she didn’t have that attitude towards sex at one point, but, more importantly and depending on the context (ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 07:27 PM
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Ok, so it’s more that men having to face the majority of rejections. Though, your post is mainly about how other people react to men getting rejected and not the effect of being rejected itself. Men face the majority of rejections because they have the advantage in sex over women. They’re stronger, bigger, heavier. They can much more easily orgasm in sex. Sex is, technically at least, much more dependent on male arousal than female arousal. Sex can only happen when men are erect and ends when th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 07:19 PM
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As long as men have to face the majority if rejections in dating, most men won’t be able to empathize in a way that women want or expect The problem seems to be not that men face the majority of the rejections in dating, but… And during the times when dating is down for you you cannot complain or else you’re accused of not trying hard enough, being an asshole, and even not taking showers?? that men don’t get the sympathy they deserve. Is that right? Sympathy from whom? From strangers on the inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 06:53 PM
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It is simple. That doesn’t mean it’s easy. And being married to a nightmare is highly impractical for achieving your own thriving. Maybe you think that a nightmare is worthy of being your partner, but I don’t. If you don’t want to get married to nightmares and divorce them repeatedly, get better at romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 02:25 PM
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If you're a man trapped in a loveless marriage and aren't getting your needs fulfilled, and on top of that, your wife blames you for her being the way she is, why wouldn't you look elsewhere to fulfill those needs? Just imagining being married to such a woman sounds like a nightmare. Yeah, that’s why you divorce her. Cheating isn’t fair to her, doesn’t solve the issue and interferes with you finding a better woman for yourself. Alternatively, you could open the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 09:37 PM
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Men have the advantage in sex, so they pursue casual sex more than women and are more often the initiators of this, so women can more easily find a man to have causal sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:51 PM
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Generally speaking, women in the dating market aren’t looking for friends. Also, women would rightly not particularly want to be friends with a guy who approaches them romantically at first because much of the time the guy doesn’t want to just be friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 05:58 PM
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I don’t see why you think you can infer what dating homosexual men would be like from pursuing friendship with straight men. That’s putting aside that there are major challenges to being gay. Also, the dating market doesn’t sound like a good place to look for basic friendship with women. There’s probably some problems with your approach to dating, but it’s hard to tell from your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 05:46 PM
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How can you say rich men dont pay for sex? It would be unreasonable if I said rich men or even men don’t ever pay for sex, but I didn’t say anything close to that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 04:41 PM
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It’s an unrealistic scenario, so reason doesn’t apply. Wealthy men don’t face that scenario. Men in general don’t face it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 04:06 AM
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Depends. Why did she do it? Was it just one on one hook ups or did she do anything else? How old was she and for how long did she do it? Why doesn’t she do it anymore? Is she really not interested anymore? What sort of relationship do I have with her? Has she tested herself for STDs? I’d prefer a woman who never did hookups, similar to myself, but people can change.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 01:38 AM
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They should just move towards capitalism instead of away from it generally, so life will be better now and in the future. People will be able to more easily afford kids and have a positive view of the future that will make it more likely they’ll have kids. Moving towards capitalism would also include making it easier to immigrate generally, which would include making it easier to marry a foreigner. But people shouldn’t be using the police, military and jail system to encourage people to get mail…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 11:49 PM
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That it’s good for you to sacrifice yourself to help others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 10:02 PM
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Being truly kind or overly wholesome isn’t good or moral though, so it’s not surprising most women wouldn’t like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 06:01 AM
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A better way to look at it is through the metric of self-esteem. Having sex with someone who is good enough for you, according to your personal preferences, is important for self-esteem. Sluts, male or female but usually male, try to make up for this by looking at the number they’ve slept with as an accomplishment or by getting a “good” girl or a virgin to sleep with them as an accomplishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 10:17 PM
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I have none. A woman who isn’t good enough for me for a relationship, according to my personal preferences, also isn’t good enough for me to have sex with. I’m better off masturbating, or pursuing a better woman for me or doing something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:50 AM
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No, it’s not ok for your own thriving or happiness. And much of the enjoyment of sex comes from being with someone you love, and communication and practice like someone else said. And your sexual preferences are related to your other values.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 11:30 PM
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Religion is essentially opposed to good, rational egoism, and supports evil, altruism. It’s better than hedonism or nihilism, but it enables them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 09:24 PM
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Victor Hugo if limiting to real men, except for his philandering and support for religion. He was very productive, successful in romance asides from the philandering and he stood up against tyranny. A masculine man or a feminine woman is a rational egoist, not a hedonist or an altruist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:57 PM
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You as a man are having sex with a woman because you want sex with anyone physically attractive who will consent, not because of who the woman is as a woman or because of her personality/character/values. And the woman, on the other hand, is having sex with you because of who you are as a man. Or you’re cheating on her or leading her on or whatever. Of course the sexes can be reversed. Women can use men in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 12:16 AM
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There’s a difference between using a woman for sex, where you don’t care about who she is as a woman/person you just want a warm body to stick your penis in, and pursuing love, including sex which is essential for love, with a woman because of who she is as a woman/person. The former isn’t good for you. There’s a difference between putting on act of niceness to use a woman for sex and treating a woman as more valuable to you than others, and so being “nicer” to her than others, because she’s wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:12 PM
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If an unmarried man and woman are having sex for pleasure and the woman becomes pregnant accidentally and the woman decides to have the child, then she should get to choose to offer parental rights and responsibilities to the man. And he gets to refuse if she offers. If he doesn’t accept or she doesn’t offer, then he gets no legal parental rights and responsibilities, including paying for child support. Besides preventing men from being baby-trapped, particularly young and poor men who will be m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 05:44 AM
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This isn’t a man vs woman thing. It’s disrespectful when men do it to women as well. Women can understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 02:56 PM
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It’s disrespectful from the correct view that relationships should be exclusive and that, if you have self-esteem, you shouldn’t be having sex with one person while dating others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 02:53 PM
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Are these good strategies in general when approaching relationships? Putting aside that those descriptions of masculininty and femininity aren’t right, men and women should approach a relationship with someone they think is worthy of a relationship in a masculine and feminine way. And, if the other person turns out not to be masculine or feminine enough, then do something about it, like trying to get them to change or breaking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:31 AM
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How many people are like what you’re describing as a percentage of the population? There’s probably always going to be some people like that. I am sick of seeing people view divorce as a huge personal failure or act like every relationship that ends is "wasted time". You mean anonymous people who are venting on Reddit and who may or may not be being particularly serious? The ship of lifelong monogamy has sailed. Fewer and fewer people get married. So? That doesn’t mean that someone who wants a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 03:51 PM
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The problem is that man gains knowledge (including of what’s good), lives and achieves happiness by choosing to use his rational faculty and logical inference from the senses, but man is still learning how to do that, so man’s ignorance is causing him problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 04:32 AM
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Who cares about anti-marriage men, anyone reasonable is for no-fault divorces. I don’t want to remain married to a woman I don’t want. I don’t want a woman to remain married to me if she doesn’t want to. Not that I’d think I’d ignore problems in my relationship so bad that it leads to my wife initiating a divorce, but if she wants to leave then she should leave so I can find someone better. I’m anti-marriage to the extent that there aren’t no fault divorces. As to alimony, I’m not sure. It doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 02:18 AM
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Why does this matter to you? Yes, people can make bad choices for themselves and some people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 02:00 AM
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It will might make low self-esteem males more obsolete for low self-esteem women. And vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:28 PM
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Why are you taking their comments as representative of what marriage will be like in general or what marriage will be like for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:49 AM
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Men have the advantage in sex, so they have the advantage in romance. They don’t have to worry as much about whether a woman will commit to them vs a woman worrying about a whether a man will commit to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:22 PM
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It depends on why you desperately want a woman. Does she share your highest values? If she doesn’t, then find someone better. If she does, then she’s not going to do what you’re suggesting. Since you both have similar values, then she’s not going to ask you to sacrifice your values. She’s going to desperately want you as well, since you would share her highest values. She’s going to want a healthy mutually beneficial relationship with you. She’s not going to ask you to do something unreasonable.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:40 PM
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I mainly agree that it’s generally better for men to approach women since men have the advantage in romance due to the advantage in sex. But it is something that’s contextual. And you could tell your friends that they should give out their number instead of asking for the man’s. And yeah, when you do it wrong then the person you’re approaching is going to be weirded out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 07:00 AM
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Why are you asking this? You’re not going to prove anything. Women who have aren’t going to want to comment or they’ll lie. You’re not going to be able to get a representative sample to try to infer how many women in a given population do it. Some women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 04:53 AM
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Do some women do? Maybe or probably. Do some women start with casual sex and then later change their mind? Maybe or probably. So what? Men do it sometimes as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 02:36 AM
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Yeah, it is. Individuals have free will. But you can form generalizations about people according to the sorts of choices they make. People who commit murder should be locked up. You shouldn’t friends with liars. Women who are honest are good for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:42 AM
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Because that’s man’s means of knowledge and survival: choosing to use his rational faculty to make generalizations, like all balls roll or all water boils at 100 at sea level. There are ideals in masculinity and femininity, but many people are bad at using their rational faculty to figure them out. “Most women do x…” is a bad substitute for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:34 AM
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What’s objectively masculine and why is it objectively good to be masculine? Not being able to answer those is part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:02 PM
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The underlying reason is that men have the advantage in sex, so it’s easier for them to take advantage of women. Some men have an irrational, puritan view of sex as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 03:10 AM
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Men’s and woman’s sexuality is self-centered and should be self-centered. I’m not sure how you’re going to tell which is more self-centered. They could just be self-centered in different ways. And you can’t just judge men and women in general from online comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:06 PM
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I don’t have a solution to your power imbalance because it doesn’t exist. Or, if it exists for you then it’s because you have low self-esteem. And, if anything, the power imbalance is on the side of the men. Men have the advantage in living in general, being physically stronger which gives them a greater ability to act. Men have the advantage in sex, due to being physically stronger and due to the difference in genitals. This gives them greater control over their pleasure and their partner’s in …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 08:51 AM
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Mutually Assured Destruction is a policy between two enemy nuclear powers. It’s completely not appropriate for someone you love. Your analogies suck, that’s why I don’t like them, and analogies aren’t as helpful as people think they are. Your lover isn’t threatening to leave you if there are other guys pursuing her, particularly when she deals with them well. Living is about choosing to use reason to pursue the value necessary for you to live and thereby achieve happiness. It’s about becoming co…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 08:13 AM
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Buying insurance doesn’t involve defrauding a loved one or sabotaging yourself. If shit ever hits the fan and your relationship is looking like it's about to end, she has her replacement bf/husband basically ready on call. Basically is doing a lot of work here. Maybe this is true for a woman who will marry anyone. But, this isn’t how it works for reasonable women. Both reasonable men and women have a difficult time finding someone to love. And so what if it is true? Just because your lover will …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 07:41 AM
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Reality is what it is. It’s people that can choose to be just or unjust, like by encouraging men to rationalize cheating for a not even remotely good justification. And, since reality is causal, that’s only going to harm them regardless of they believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 06:40 AM
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Define emotionally cheating. Also, woman isn’t in complete control over whether other men pursue her, so it’s not a choice of hers, so she can’t be held responsible for their choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 06:29 AM
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If the man doesn't like the woman more the relationship will never work out. No, relationships require that both love each other. The only way you will truly know if a man is interested if he approaches you and pursues you in a masculine way. Men have the advantage in romance. This is because sex is essential to romance and men have the advantage in sex. This is because of the difference in physical strength and the difference of sex organs. So, if a man and a woman are equally interested in eac…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:06 PM
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It’s moral for you to practice rational egoism, to use reason to pursue the values necessary for yourself ie for your life and thereby achieve happiness. In romance and sex, that generally means having sex in an exclusive relationship with someone you like a lot. Sex is for pleasure in that situation is good, but it’s important for developing a relationship to be worthy of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 11:15 PM
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Your judgement isn’t that impaired. Like, if you found out the man was a rapist or whatever, anyone with a quarter of a brain would scram. The solution is to have clear and good standards. That will both help you only develop attraction to the better people, like how people who oppose rape aren’t attracted to rapists, and help you hit the brakes when something really negative pops up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 08:43 AM
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You can choose to practice rational egoism, to use reason to pursue the values necessary for yourself ie for your life and thereby achieve happiness. And if you choose to do that and women do have that power, does pursuing a relationship with a good woman increase your risk of a bad woman falsely accusing you too much? If does increase your risk too much, then you shouldn’t. But if it doesn’t increase your risk too much, then you should pursue a relationship with a good woman. But do women reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:24 PM
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But securing a woman’s rights doesn’t cause low birth rates. And the objective practical perspective you should have is what’s practical for you to live, what’s practical for the individual to live, what sort of society is practical for the individual to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:22 PM
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You do a good job of showing your girlfriend what you love the most, that it’s consistent and that your girlfriend has what you love the most, particularly her personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:29 PM
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No it is not my goal and standard. I always wanted some kind of a "best friend" partner but I don't think I can find her anymore. Well, that would do it. It’s hard to pursue something you think is impossible. I have some values like freedom (whatever it can mean) and take care/don't hurt the people I love (but it is not in a romantic way). I’d recommend checking out Effective Egoism by Watkins. Sounds like you could use some self-improvement for your soul.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:09 PM
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Sounds like you don’t have important objective values and virtues ie values and virtues objectively necessary for you to live and achieve happiness. I’m not talking about religious or altruistic values and virtues. Those are ultimately irrational, self-destructive and immoral. So you’re not looking for a woman who most shares your most important values and virtues, so you have shallow standards of success for yourself. If your standard of success for yourself in sex is getting a hot enough woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 03:42 PM
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In fact, I think you can go very far in life once you stop demanding logically consistent, reasonably sound behavior from others all the time. I find that people who say this usually don’t have much of an idea of what it means to be rational in their own lives, so they aren’t in good position to judge others either. How could anyone expect logical behavior from an animal with emotions built into their wiring? Because emotions are, to a great enough extent, based on your chosen beliefs or values.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:19 PM
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This isn’t about my feelings as if my argument is based purely on feelings. It’s about you feeling like you have the justification to use the government to force me and many others to take a paternity test, including the children who that you allegedly care about when they become adults. The problem is everything I said. And the test isn’t free. There’s no such thing as a free paternity test that just naturally appears. Someone has to produce it. And that person has to be paid for it or he has t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:02 AM
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You mean tests I choose for my child because I think it’s good for my child? That’s entirely different than forcing me to pay for a paternity test for my child because some other women harm other children and other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:36 AM
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You’d be forcing me and many others to take it. You’d be forcing me to pay for it. You’d forcing me to pay for others who take it. You’d be making the police enforce that unjust law instead of focusing on actual crimes. It will be used, like past violations of rights are used, to justify further violations of rights. “Why do you oppose X? It’s the same reasoning for mandatory paternity tests and you already accept that.“ Yes, it’s hindering me and many others.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:28 AM
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I’m going to need more explanation of what you’re asking than that to answer your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:15 AM
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The fact that some women commit paternity fraud, harming their child and the man involved, is no justification to force me and many others to take a paternity test. It’s the same reason why the fact that some people beating others to death with a hammer is no justification to stop me from buying a hammer or force me to take a test before I buy a hammer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:08 AM
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I’m for laissez-faire capitalism, but it’s pretty sad that you believe that your true value is simply determined by the market. That’s what happens when you have no self-worth, you base it on your market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:32 PM
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Well, your conception of masculine and feminine traits doesn’t sound objective, so it sounds like you’re admiring stuff in a woman that’s not really masculine, like a woman who can make her own way in the world. And a man who takes care of his kids isn’t feminine either. Also, what you find attractive in these cases are a result of your beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:36 PM
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Yes, it’s easier for men to take the initiative to give out their number to unknown women than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:01 PM
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From Ayn Rand Self-esteem, as his inviolate certainty that his mind is competent to think and his person is worthy of happiness, which means: is worthy of living. Only you can really judge this. Even if you use the evaluation of other reasonable people to help you determine this, you still have to judge them as reasonable yourself to value their evaluation. Like, as an extreme example, valuing the praise of your scientific ability from Einstein vs. discounting the condemnation of it by a flat ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:19 PM
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You don’t even have to choose to live, never mind choose to have sex with bad women. And for choosing to live and achieve happiness, you don’t have to choose to have sex with bad women. It’s the exact opposite. Masturbation is better. The average man doesn’t have less good options for pursuing a serious relationship than the average woman. I even doubt that the average man has less good options for pursuing causal sex than the average woman. It’s more that women have more readily available bad o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:33 PM
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That’s nonsense. Men don’t have to pursue sex with someone they don’t think is worthy of having sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:51 PM
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What does that mean? Every man has the option not to pursue a woman if he doesn’t think she’s worthy of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:45 PM
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Men have the advantage in romance, due to the important of sex to romantic love and their advantage in sex, due to the difference in strength and genitals in sex. This makes it easier for men to approach, to take the initiative. Men: Their job is to sell the woman on dating and fucking them. They must make the case for their value. You could argue that men have it easier to take the initiative and present themselves to a woman, but then a woman has to present herself to a man and show she’s wort…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:41 PM
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Man, the individual, should practice rational egoism ie use reason to pursue the values best for himself or his life. His only alternative is nihilism or self-destruction, including altruism (self-sacrifice for others) and hedonism (doing whatever you feel like). What’s makes it harder than necessary for man to pursue a beneficial relationship for himself is that he’s not taught to practice rational egoism. If you are focused on getting your immediate needs met This sounds like hedonism, fulfill…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:12 PM
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Do you think it's fair to say that women can never get too much attention from a man they're interested in? I don’t think any reasonable woman would be interested in a guy that gives up all his other values to give her attention, his productive work, his friends, his hobbies/entertainment etc. But then, reasonable women aren’t going to interested in men who do that. Dating is often seen as a balancing act for men; show too much attention and it can come across as desperate or manipulative, the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 06:30 PM
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You’re right. That should come first. Abortion should be legal until birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 02:14 AM
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No, it’s not them too. That’s what the children are. A woman’s body, her choice, her responsibility. She chose to have a child without a father without being able to materially support the child. Don’t give them welfare if you don’t want to. If you want help them, you can privately. But that doesn’t justify forcing the man to pay child support, particularly if the woman baby trapped him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 01:35 AM
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You mean the children of women who choose to have sex out of wedlock, with men who won’t agree to be the father and who won’t get an abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 01:30 AM
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Yea, that should be illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 01:28 AM
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I meant that men only have paternal rights or responsibilities when the child is born out of wedlock if the mother asks and if they accept. If not, then the mother cannot force him to pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 01:25 AM
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You are not engaging honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 01:22 AM
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Any hypocrisy on my part doesn’t change any of my arguments. For one, you have the right to perform medical procedures on your child so you can perform the procedures you think is necessary for your child’s health. Two, circumcision should be illegal, probably. I’ve never heard a legitimate medical reason for it, but if there is one then I can’t see how it can be made illegal. What medical tests children get?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 01:12 AM
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No. You insisting force against me, forcing me to have my child take a paternity test is a violation of my freedom from coercion. Rights are freedoms. The fact that some men are harmed by women doesn’t justify violating my rights. The fact that some men don’t have the courage to ask for paternity tests or only date women who will take one isn’t justification to force me to have my child take one. The fact that men can’t pursue a romance well enough to be certain the child is theirs isn’t justifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 12:50 AM
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See. You have a bad personality. You call people very dumb for thinking there is a good and bad personality. And then you further insult me and then expect me put in the effort to have a discussion with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:26 AM
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Nah, what takes some self-deception is believing that what’s good and bad can’t be objective and is completely subjective. objective - (of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. Or based on real facts. subjective - based on or influenced by feelings, whims, intuition, instincts
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:13 AM
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It’s not any different. Government schools are violations of freedom from coercion, which necessitate further violations of freedom. Government forces you to your send kids to the government school, including pay for to it. If the government didn’t force people to vaccinate their kids, then it would be forcing kids who can’t get vaccinated and vaccinated kids to go to school with unvaccinated kids, which would encourage the spread of diseases, which would harm the kids. If the government respect…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:21 AM
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Freedom means innocent until proven guilty. It means someone violating your freedom gives you absolutely no right to violate mine. It means if someone else murders your wife it gives you no right to murder me. It means if someone else punches you it gives you no right to punch me. It means that some woman cheating on you gives you no right to force me to take a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:10 AM
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Personal freedom? Personal freedom means not being forced to have your child take a paternity test. But that’s not important. Let’s have everyone wear a GPS device.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:06 AM
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I used the same argument. We could make it equal though by having everyone wear GPS tracking devices.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:49 AM
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You know, women have an issue with you putting a GPS tracking device on them so you can always know where she is so that she isn’t cheating. They’ll understandably be upset if you ask her to always broadcast her location to you. But if the decision was out of your hands, then there’d never be a need to ask. And he’s have the peace of mind that men usually say is the reason they want to track women. If she’s cheating, he could righteously leave the relationship. I think cheating would be discoura…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:18 AM
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Well, the individual’s means of knowledge is reason, his rational faculty. It’s not faith/feelings/intuition/instinct. They don’t know how to use reason very well, particularly in morality but also with regards to what it means to be a man or a woman or dating. There’s a lot of irrational stuff out there and not a lot of reasonable stuff, so it’s easy to find stuff looks remotely rational and gives them the veneer of rationality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:12 PM
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A high value men is someone is highly valued by others. If someone thinks of himself like that, then he’s trying to get too much his self-esteem from the opinions of others, including by sleeping with many women. A man of real self-esteem judges himself by his own standards primarily, by how well he achieves stuff for himself, not by how others value him especially regardless of who values him and why. He thinks monogamy is something that women want and benefit from the most. Well, that’s not tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 08:12 PM
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I don’t think the right way to conceptualize it as vulnerability and weakness. That’s the problem. Men should be bringing up important things about himself as part of what’s actually best for himself. He shouldn’t be essentially vulnerable or weak even if he does bring up weaknesses of his.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:17 PM
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It’s an equivocation on the word obey. The way in which employees obey their bosses is not the sort of obedience that sexists want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:31 AM
1

Maybe. Sasuke ended up as the final bad guy, and then destroyed Naruto’s hand. And I’m certain Oda didn’t turn Naruto into someone who lived for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:36 AM
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Sure, he seeked approval in healthy ways from some, but his whole motivation to become the hokage to be approved by others wasn’t healthy. You don’t seek to become the leader and protector of people who treated you like crap. And sasuke was a jerk unworthy of his friendship until the very end from what I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:56 PM
1

What do you mean? Seeking approval of those who’ve been unjust to you for yourself isn’t healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:45 PM
1

I don’t agree about Naruto. What is self-determination? It’s living for yourself not for others, achieving happiness by reasoning and producing for yourself. I liked Naruto and read it up until Orochimaru came back from the dead, but his desire to gain the approval of those who unjustly hated him was sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:07 PM
2

Stories portray ideals, ideals that people can really hold. Like, in marvel movies, the creator’s view is that good guys do X, Y and Z while bad guys do A, B and C, so that’s what he has his characters do. Stories allow you to get an essentialized version of ideals. You have to be careful about what lesson you take from a movie, but that applies to reality in general as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 11:30 AM
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That’s not how reasoning works. It’s obvious that a few woman is a few woman and it’s not obvious or perceptually apparent that a few woman is good woman. If you want to claim that it is, then the burden of proof is on you. And only someone who hates good women would say that good women date them because they are good not because of some sort of flaw on their part. Edit: Or, if you are reasonable, then you’ll have arrived at your conclusion reasonably and you’ll treat me as being reasonable and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 11:24 AM
1

Yes. But a few woman isn’t good women. So how did you get from a few woman to good women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 11:00 AM
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What’s your evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 06:07 AM
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Note: that doesn't mean you should not self improve. But how much you self improve is not related to your dating success. You should focus on doing things you enjoy, not doing things hoping you get some kind of reward later. The issue with your view is arbitrarily defining dating success. Yes, you can succeed with the worse women without improving yourself. Yes, you should improve yourself for yourself primarily. But if you want to succeed with the better women, you do have to be worthy of the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 07:43 PM
2

I, and many others, don’t take your manipulative argument seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:34 PM
3

I’ll give a more concrete example. I am a professional expert on the American Healthcare system, and I was discussing health insurance issues with a person, and how the models of different countries are far better than what we have in the states. The guy disagreed with me and felt that the US system was the best. I had already used terminology that showed I was very knowledgeable about healthcare and how different systems work. So you know then that this is a moral issue, and presumably that you…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:29 PM
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Mansplaining is when an individual explains something to a woman in a condescending way that assumes she has no knowledge of the subject. Then why call it mansplaining if it’s when an individual does it instead of men? Also, why didn’t you say when an individual explains something to another individual in a condescending way that assumed she has no knowledge of the subject. If an individual explains something to a man in a condescending way, what’s that called? Maybe there are more men “mansplai…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:55 AM
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From Ayn Rand Romantic love, in the full sense of the term, is an emotion possible only to the man (or woman) of unbreached self-esteem: it is his response to his own highest values in the person of another—an integrated response of mind and body, of love and sexual desire. Such a man (or woman) is incapable of experiencing a sexual desire divorced from spiritual values. Your lover shares your highest values. She is the most important person in the world to you and you are her most important per…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 01:13 PM
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Hookups are gross for guys and girls interested in pursuing love and sex for pleasure with someone they love, which is better than hookups for living. Girl who’s going on a dinner date with you is less picky at this point because she wants to filter out after the first date if she sees any ick or red flag etc or maybe she’s just bored whatever . You’re prob 5th guy meeting her this week. She’s not gonna meet all 5 of you next week so there’s like 20% MAXIMUM chance you’ll see her again You’re no…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 04:33 AM
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Yes, for the simple words you see things that are less different (similar) from each other than they are from other things. Houses are less different from each other than cars. And then you can create a mental word based on the world, on the real similarity of houses to each other in comparison to cars and other things. It’s not based on internal feelings. But what in reality justifies calling masculinity and femininity what you want to call them? Why is it masculinity whatever women happen to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:08 PM
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No, your internal feelings on the matter is not how language works. Since I live and act in the world, I like my words to be based on the world, not on your internal feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:05 PM
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Your words are just packets that convey your internal feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:48 PM
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Words aren’t defined individually except by you apparently. You’re defining them. And it’s just a way to convey your internal feelings, not describe what’s actually masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:40 PM
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Ah, so when a woman finds it attractive if a man dominates her in bed, that’s masculine. But also, when a woman finds it attractive when a man lets her dominate him overall in bed, letting her peg him and whatever, then that’s masculine too. And when a woman finds it attractive when a man dresses like a woman, that’s also masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:31 PM
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No one reasonable cares one way or the other. If you married a single mom, then who cares what haters think? If you’re another guy, then good for him he found a woman worth marrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:42 AM
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Neither of you is right. a result of women waking up and realizing that pregnancy and wanting motherhood is a “scam”. Wrong. But not many are willing to argue that women should pursue their self-interest and that having children can be in their self-interest. Although I do agree on the decline, my rebuttal was how can something as natural as the instinctive biological urge to procreate offspring be called a scam. This is literally encoded into our DNA. It’s not. You’ve chosen to value having chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:30 AM
1

Do you think we lost the ability to see nuance, and if so, why to you think that is? Has there been a real change? How do you know? I've asked women and they seem to have this cookie cutter box for men too. "My man has to be xyz" Like no, have you thought about nuance. What if he makes a dollar less than the ideal salary. What if he has a PhD but currently making a little salary but next year he could get promoted? Do you really think that woman wouldn’t accept those? I doubt it. You can objecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:03 AM
1

What’s good is for me to pursue my self-interest, what’s best for my life, and what’s immoral is to pursue my self-destruction, against what’s best for my life. This includes sacrificing myself for others or altruism. Pursuing my self-interest means reasoning for myself and producing for myself. It means pursuing for myself friendships, health, enjoyment of the arts, hobbies/entertainment, and love and sex with the one I love. Radical individualism is what is making dating so hard for everyone n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:18 PM
1

Ah, I found it when I looked again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:52 PM
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I looked for how to edit my flair on iOS, but the edit button was missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:50 PM
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Nope. But they exist. It’s not like men are more rational than women or vice versa. Its not that men are somehow better while women are somehow worse. Edit: also, you have to properly standards for what counts as good effort as well. Bad standards will throw you off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:48 PM
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Man here. Double standard? Don’t be silly. It’s not woman’s fault men are dogs who’d rather have sex with anyone than have self-esteem or self-respect. They aren’t forcing men. You could argue they should be better, but it’s a double standard not to blame men for their own bad choices. And while low self-esteem men will be attracted to some women no matter what, the better and higher self-esteem men have standards and the better women do put in effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:44 PM
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This is a non-objective, imaginary way to approach the issue. You can’t just magically find such a partner. And you can’t magically know someone meets those criteria at first sight. That would require entering an exclusive relationship with them. Is every single couple on Earth just settling for each other because they couldn’t attain the person of their dreams? Some people do in fact settle. But you don’t have to. You can find someone who is great for you. You and your lover can develop a great…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:37 PM
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I’m a man you know. And yeah, you can work on your appearance for yourself. It’s like admiring the beauty of a piece of art except you’ve made yourself beautiful like a piece of art according to your standards of beauty. And reasonable women pursue men for themselves and care about what the better men think about their appearances because those better men are valuable to them, so dressing for them is part of dressing for themselves. You can’t really separate women dressing for themselves and dre…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:53 PM
2

Ah, I’m not endorsing your love of masculine boss babes, but the opposite. You’re going to have to get sanction for that from somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:29 PM
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How are you defining "your life"? Because it's not the way the dictionary defines the word. What do you mean exactly? You’re a living being. There are certain things that are objectively necessary for you to live, like food as a very simple example, so acting for your life means acting for food as food is necessary for you to live. Yes, and how/ who decides what is best for you in your life? Man’s only means of knowledge is his rational capacity, logical inference from the evidence of the senses…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:23 PM
1

Nobody is suggesting women, or men, put their lives at risk for others. I didn’t say risk their life, but act against your life. You can act against your life without the risk of immediate bodily death, like smoking cigarettes. The dominant morality people believe in is altruism or selflessness, however inconsistently people follow it. Being altruistic means self-sacrifice, sacrificing yourself for others. Being selfless doesn’t mean helping others because it’s helpful to your life. And acting f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:03 PM
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You pursuing what’s best for your life is helpful for you to live, that’s being selfish. You acting against your life for the sake of others is harmful for you to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:30 PM
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Good for human beings to live on Earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:15 PM
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A good woman is a woman who pursues what’s best for herself, not a selfless one who acts against her life for the sake of others. She thinks and pursues some sort of productive work for herself. She pursues friendships, enjoyment of the arts, health, love and sex for pleasure with a man she loves. She has kids if she wants them. There are men who don’t like good women. That’s their choice, a result of their choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 01:13 PM
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Everyone is actually different. Every single thing is in fact different. Even two Coca Cola cans are different hence they are two different cans. Yes, humans are similar to each other in some ways. Yes, humans have common characteristics, but that doesn’t mean that women are similar in the way you or the OP is claiming.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 11:17 PM
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This might be hard for you to understand, but women are different, so you can’t judge what the better women will be attracted to by what worse women are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 11:05 PM
2

Firstly i am not judging women for this, why would i? Humans act on biological parameters, therefore it isnt women’s fault. They cant control it. Let’s be rational. You’re arguing from the position of determinism. Men and women are determined by biology to be a certain way. But men and women have free will, so that’s completely wrong. Where’s your proof? And no i am not saying „if you cry once its over.“ no, but if you trigger the switch where she sees you (subconsciously so its not her fault) a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:58 AM
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And where were the fathers of these boys from single mother households? Did the single mothers kick them out? And what responsibility do the fathers have for choosing such women to have children with?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:26 AM
1

Express your virtue of productiveness and masculinity. As a man, you have greater control over acting in romance (greater control of achieving your pleasure in sex and physically more capable in general), so you can more easily afford to take the lead/ the initiative/express your interest in her first. In this case, you’re saying you value taking her on a date enough to take the risk of paying for it, that you’re competent enough to afford to take on the loss. She has more to lose than you, due …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:16 AM
2

Very important. Most of the time you enjoy together will not be in bed and your experiences outside of sex affect sex and vice versa. Not sure how to rate it on a scale. Also, being good in bed and being emotionally supportive isn’t completely detached from a woman’s personality/character.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 04:04 AM
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Misandrist women hate men due to rape, assault, violence, discrimination and more. That’s what makes them misandrist. They unjustly generalize from crimes committed by some men to all men. Misogyny kills women while Misandry just hurts a man’s feelings. Please don’t compare the two. When people compare the two, they’re comparing them on the basis that they are both sexism and sexism is wrong. It makes sense that misogyny is a more damaging form of sexism, since men are more physically capable th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 03:54 PM
1

I wouldn’t say “hypergamy” is a factor. Low self-esteem primarily, including lack of a better conception of masculinity and femininity than the traditional, sexist, wrong conception. Maybe the fact women can force men to pay child support in the case of accidental pregnancies doesn’t help.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:38 PM
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Yes, sex with absolutely anyone isn’t an accomplishment, but having sex with someone who shares your highest values is an achievement. There’s the sex itself, that you found someone worthy to have sex with and the other found you as worthy as well. Not having sexual partners doesnt say anything good or bad about you, either. Maybe your sex drive isn't that high. Maybe you haven't found the right person. Who cares? Why does it have to mean anything? It depends. Putting aside those who don’t want …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:57 AM
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Yeah, we’ll see. There’s Islam. Under altruism, sex for pleasure isn’t moral either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:31 PM
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Having sex for pleasure, particularly outside of marriage, is pretty famously immoral in Christianity, so is abortion. There’s also the nuns, monks and priests (edit ideal Christians) who take vows of chastity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:43 PM
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People care when other people are immoral, even if they are mistaken about that. Some of them are also worried about declining birth rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:28 PM
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They believe that a woman’s purpose is to get married and have kids, not live for herself and pursue her own happiness (though finding someone worth marrying is better for happiness). They believe the moral purpose of sex is reproduction. Matt Walsh is definitely the type to want marriage and kids, so your example isn’t a particularly good one of a man who doesn’t want marriage and kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:20 PM
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She shouldn’t be particularly seeking out either type of man, but more important stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:56 PM
2

If you want to build self-confidence in living, then get good at living. Man lives by thinking and producing for himself, so get good at that. Martial arts is largely irrelevant for living and living isn’t about fighting others. You can do it for fun, but there are usually more important areas for living to get out of your comfort zone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:53 PM
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Well, some outfits are slutty ie too revealing to wear in some public circumstances. As an extreme, wearing a thong bikini while walking around Walmart, church, or a bank is inappropriate. Thong bikinis are fine at a beach, however. They are appropriate for swimming, tanning, and the warm weather. They cover your nipples and genitals. Others wear and expect (for the good reasons already stated) minimal clothing, so it’s not necessarily sexual exhibitionism or slutty. Guys who don’t want to date …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 02:07 AM
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I’m not interested in convincing you that I’m right, that’s only in your head (stealing your insulting line from earlier!). And it’s not an insult to tell you to learn to read and think. You’re not particularly good at it, at least in this conversation, and learning how to do it better would be helpful for your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:54 PM
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Guys should look for a woman who shares his highest values, whom he subsequently loves enough to spend the rest of his life with. If he can find that without much dating, then he has nothing to be jealous of. He’s achieved the pinnacle in romance, besides developing the relationship for the rest of his life. That should be the ultimate goal of dating for achieving happiness. There could be an issue that he needs to go through that process himself to learnt that the “hard” way if ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:38 PM
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Yeah, learn to read and think. I said that telling a guy you’re a former slut is relevant if the guy tells her that he doesn’t date or have sex with former sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:28 PM
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Before you even get to the potential discussion of "she might be more likely to cheat" or "she might be more likely to have STDs" or "she might be impulsive and irresponsible", I don’t even know what views you think I have because this doesn’t seem relevant at all and didn’t cross my mind. the guy might just not feel comfortable exposing that vulnerability to somebody who can judge him through that much of an experience gap. Which he will, even if he chooses not to disclose, because it's pretty …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 06:14 PM
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Yeah, I was talking about a relationship. If you don’t know whether you’re going to have sex or you don’t know whether you want sex edit in a relationship, then how slutty you were in the past isn’t remotely relevant. I said a woman should tell a guy if he doesn’t want to have sex with someone who was a slut if he tells her that. If he tells her he doesn’t even want to date a former slut, then she should tell him that as well. Reasonable people understand that people can change, so you don’t nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:39 AM
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You get a downvote for the “preparing for the downvotes” line. A woman shouldn’t necessarily disclose her “body count”, which is an awful phrase, before having sex. It’s not the same. Even if she was a slut in the past, that doesn’t mean she’s a slut now, so it’s not relevant to the sex unless the guy has explicitly said he only wants a woman who was never a slut. However, being a virgin is very relevant to the first time you have sex, and a woman in a relationship with you is going to find out …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:13 AM
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I didn’t say that you accused me of that. I was thinking about other reasonable people, not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:03 AM
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It’s not fair to change your comment so much, particularly after I replied to it. It makes it look like I ignored your points. Edit: I am ignoring them now since you edited them in. You should at least mention you edited it. I only noticed because I came back to add something on your point about sexual pleasure and skill. According to this study, women orgasm much, much more in a relationship than in the first hook-up with a new partner. Orgasms aren’t the sole metric of pleasure, but it’s a sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 04:51 AM
2

Not disclosing, which isn’t lying, doesn’t particularly matter for forming a relationship since it’s just a hook up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 04:39 AM
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For hook-ups, it doesn’t particularly matter. For dating, the woman is going to find out you have little to no experience. You don’t build a good relationship by lying and hiding stuff, but that doesn’t mean disclosing stuff before it’s relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 04:32 AM
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There are unreasonable women who can’t resolve conflicts well, who aren’t interested in learning how to improve. You don’t have to date them, nor sacrifice yourself to use them for sex. Also, there are unreasonable men who can’t resolve conflicts well either, who aren’t interested in improving. You don’t have to be one of them. Some guys don’t know how to stand up for themselves well. You don’t have to be one of them. Some guys think being moral, the bigger person, means sacrificing yourself for…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:49 AM
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Also, don’t send your soldier into a risky battle. It’s not good if you win the battle but lose the war.
/r/seduction01/11/22 12:03 AM
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Ok. Still sounds like it might be worth getting to know her better.
/r/seduction22/06/22 05:58 AM
1

It sounds like it’s worth striking up a conversation with her at least.
/r/seduction22/06/22 05:50 AM
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I don’t know man. Seems moronic either way.
/r/seduction20/06/22 12:22 AM
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You can’t be serious. Are you just trying to brag or something?
/r/seduction19/06/22 11:57 PM
1

You also said I guess I just feel that way, because I please her more then she pleases me. I’ll admit, I am a simp for her. She’s also a simp for me, but she just doesn’t please me like I do her, which kinda upsets me Why can’t you orgasm from a blowjob? What about a handjob or with toys? I sort of get what you’re saying since you shouldn’t be paying her for intercourse with oral sex, but the issue is you’re not working on figuring out a way she can make you orgasm outside of sex. What is she su…
/r/seduction13/06/22 05:11 AM
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