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At the same time a small but committed band of men's rights activists has attempted to create a a male version of feminism. Although exactly what male activists are fighting for, when men still dominate so many important areas of society, bemuses many others. I read this line and immediately knew the article would already be linked here. Kind of typical lazy journalism.
/r/MensRights30/01/14 08:34 PM
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You have drastically misunderstood what I said. Not for a second did I think that anyone wanted to prosecute actual victims, I'm just pointing out the difficulty in differentiating between the real victims and false accusers. Following some lengthy discussions I am more than satisfied that the burden of proof should be enough to prevent real victims facing prosecution.
/r/MensRights16/01/14 09:59 AM
1

The accuser could find themselves on trial for making a false accusation if the accused is found not guilty though. Honestly, I'm fed up of going in circles with you.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 09:07 PM
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Benefit to the defense is also clear. If previous convictions can't be brought up for either party, the defendants hypothetical long history of rape isn't going to be brought up just like the accuser's long history of false accusations isn't brought up.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 08:24 PM
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Does everyone falsely accused of rape incur a custodial sentence? No, of course they don't. You have to trust the justice system to some extent. There's nothing to gain from trying to weight one person's suffering against the other.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 08:02 PM
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Ok, that is a really grey area that affects many areas of law, not just rape cases. The precedent, in the UK at least, is that previous offences can't be used by the prosecution to prove guilt, each case must be examined on it's own merits and I guess this applies to the accuser as well. It does feel wrong, but I can see the benefits to both sides. Just because someone has cried rape before doesn't mean they weren't really raped this time but their burden of proof should definitely be greater.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 08:00 PM
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Is it just about anonymity? Anonymity should be available to anyone, accused or accuser, until conviction. The identity of the accuser shouldn't be kept from the accused, although I have never heard of that happening.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 06:57 PM
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Thank you, nice to see some rationality. Your last point resonates especially strongly. Anonymity should be par for the course for all parties involved. Public interest be damned.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 06:39 PM
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feminist attempts to erode civil rights such as rape shield laws feminist rape training policies. I don't know what you mean by that, if you would kindly explain I will let you know my opinion. Although, so far conversing with you has been ghastly.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 06:03 PM
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Alright, looking back I didn't mention the victims specifically. Didn't realise I had to lay everything out for you and spoon feed you facts you're clearly already aware of though. The stupid thing is we are on the same side here for the most part but you're choosing to focus on one grain of sand instead of the whole beach.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 05:05 PM
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If you're going to ignore large parts of my post, there's no point talking to you. I did mention the damage done by falsely accusing someone of rape. Try reading.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 03:39 PM
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Have you? One of the major problems about this subreddit is that it examines every issue in a vacuum. It wants everything to be simple, black and white, bad guys get punished, good guys get rewarded. It forgets that this isn't how the world works. Of course I think false rape accusers, of any gender, should be held accountable for the damage they cause. That's a no brainer. BUT, life doesn't always work out that way. I don't want actual rape victims (again any gender) to be put off reporting rap…
/r/MensRights14/01/14 02:12 PM
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I find your use of the word 'suffer' very amusing. It's not my desire, it's merely a potential counter argument to the proposition and not necessarily my own opinion. I don't know that the world is ready for lawyers in shorts. Not forgetting that if you relax the policy to allow casual clothing, that must apply to both genders.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 12:55 PM
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That's a dangerous attitude to have. Rape often has life long repercussions
/r/MensRights14/01/14 06:55 AM
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I'm asking a different person their opinion.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 03:07 AM
9

At 15/20 isn't it statutory rape regardless of gender?
/r/MensRights14/01/14 02:47 AM
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She's a minor, maybe it's law?
/r/MensRights14/01/14 02:46 AM
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How do you differentiate between a false accuser and a rape victim who couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that they were raped?
/r/MensRights14/01/14 02:42 AM
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Yeah, there's nothing you've said there I disagree with. 50.000001% is not beyond reasonable doubt and not a good enough reason to ruin someone's life. Rape can be such a difficult thing to prove, especially when it's just one person's word against the others.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 02:32 AM
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I agree with your first comment there, a person's right to justice shouldn't be affected by anything outside of it but this isn't a perfect world. If it was we wouldn't even need to have this conversation. You are trivialising a very serious and traumatic thing though. It's about a lot more than just 'putting on their big girl pants' and the risk of being convicted of falsely accusing their rapist would put a significant number of victims off reporting their rape. People who falsely accuse someo…
/r/MensRights14/01/14 02:27 AM
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That is a clear cut, black and white case and yes, I agree the woman should be prosecuted in this instance. If an accused is found not guilty of rape, would you automatically put the accuser on trial to see if they lied?
/r/MensRights14/01/14 01:51 AM
1

The only problem I see is that skirts can be formal where shorts are casual.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 01:48 AM
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I've only ever heard it used in jest and it certainly isn't actual evacuation procedure anymore.
/r/MensRights14/01/14 01:08 AM
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I think the problem comes from getting justice for the men who are falsely accused and reassuring genuine rape victims that they won't suffer the same fate if their rapist isn't convicted. Someone who falsely accuses is not the same as someone who doesn't had adequate proof. The former should be punished, the latter should be supported but in a court of law how do you differentiate? How do you decide which need is greater?
/r/MensRights14/01/14 01:06 AM
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I never go to /r/feminism but that is nice to see.
/r/MensRights29/12/13 06:38 PM
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As a woman, I interpreted the original comic to be about the things women said to each other, nothing about men, nothing about patriarchy etc but about how judgmental women can be about each other and how we should look at how we treat each other and our own behaviours before asking other people to change.
/r/MensRights29/12/13 05:42 PM
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I did say 'in theory' Feminism and men's rights as ideals go together. It's feminists and MRAs that won't work. Any way, I have no interest in debating the failings of feminism.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 11:09 PM
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Both movements want equal rights for their gender. In theory they should be perfect together. Personalities and old scores would stand in the way.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 10:42 PM
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I'd much rather we were treated equally and didn't need benefits but women will have babies sometimes and employers don't like that so the whole gender gets punished.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 10:10 PM
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Thanks for the explanation. I don't think anyone should be drafted or have that potential. I'm childfree so it's quite upsetting to me that I may be overlooked just because I have a uterus and am of childbearing age. I think that's why women get helping hands sometimes.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 10:03 PM
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I'm not American so not all of those apply to me. I don't know what the Selective Service is. But for everything else, yes. A custody agreement that's best for the kid, not based on traditional gender roles, shared domestic responsibility, equal sentencing and all of that. I, personally as I can't speak for anyone but myself, would be happy to lose any unfair advantage I get for being a woman as long as there are no unfair advantages available to men. I think that, sadly, women will always strug…
/r/MensRights11/07/13 09:46 PM
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Can you be more specific about what you mean?
/r/MensRights11/07/13 09:22 PM
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I'm an equalist, no gender bias or separation.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 08:37 PM
1

My own feelings on equalism and equality aren't just based on gender!
/r/MensRights11/07/13 08:36 PM
1

I'm not a feminist. I've never considered myself a feminist and I certainly don't speak for anyone but myself.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 08:35 PM
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Only in their most extreme factions. I consider myself an equalist. I'm a woman who wants equal rights for both genders.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 04:53 PM
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Whilst I heartily acknowledge that truth, I think you are transferring your own opinion on to OPs actions.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 04:17 PM
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I'm in favour of feminists and MRAs working together under an equalism umbrella!
/r/MensRights11/07/13 03:21 PM
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My problem is with your title and subsequent wording, not your actions. You make it seem like your findings are important or interesting instead of 'these different things are different'
/r/MensRights11/07/13 02:41 PM
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Oh gosh, don't thank me. I'm just trying to do what I wish everyone would do. See both sides of the coin. It's not easy but I want to see big steps towards true equality in my life time.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 02:35 PM
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It's not a bad thing to be curious but a single item comparison is hardly a scientific study.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 02:32 PM
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That's certainly true!
/r/MensRights11/07/13 02:07 PM
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So you're pointing out that two different things are, in fact, different? Women's issues are different to men's issues. I don't know what you expected to find. I frequently lurk /r/mensrights to educate myself about the issues and to keep a balanced opinion. Posts like this add nothing constructive.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 02:07 PM
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Thank you. I wish I didn't have to rely on more literate redditors to illustrate my point but there you go. It's apples and oranges.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 11:56 AM
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Not at all. If the top /r/feminism post was anti men (which it isn't) or the /r/mensrights top post was strongly related to feminism (which it isn't) then there could be a comparison but what we actually have here are 2 unrelated posts which really just highlight important issues to 2 different subs. I've always said that this sort of posturing leads to a rift between 2 groups of people who could actually work together more efficiently but instead just bicker. What's the comparison here? Or is i…
/r/MensRights11/07/13 11:53 AM
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I don't think you understand what comparison means.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 11:35 AM
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But there's no point to what he's saying. It's like saying bananas are yellow and crocodiles swim. The two things aren't related, bear no influence on each other and the only reason to draw any comparison between them is to make a point about one or the other.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 11:16 AM
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What's interesting here? These posts don't conflict. You're just adding fuel to the fire of us vs them.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 10:55 AM
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At least I won't be trapping any men into unwanted child support eh?
/r/MensRights21/05/13 05:22 PM
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It depends on your perspective, some people are happy to accept the risks but the risks are still there.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 10:31 AM
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Well aren't you a charmer? Not that it's any of your business but I am actually already childfree by choice.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 10:29 AM
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It really looks that way sometimes.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 10:28 AM
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Making me choose one of your narrow options serves no purpose.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 10:28 AM
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What's your point?
/r/MensRights20/05/13 07:04 PM
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I stand by what I said. You make it sound as though parents never stay together.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 07:03 PM
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Episiotomy, stretch marks, weight change, c-section scars. I'd call that damage.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 07:02 PM
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Right now, nothing except speaking to people about men's rights. I am looking for causes to support how I can.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 07:01 PM
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Please, swear at me some more. It totally validates your points. Are you kidding me? Men will always be told they are doing it wrong more than women, no matter how right they do it, because men are simply assumed unable to parent, aside from providing money. Men are told that they are holding the baby wrong or can't be left alone with the baby because they are inept. It's wrong and I feel awful for fathers treated this way but women are judged for what they feed their babies, their sleep schedul…
/r/MensRights19/05/13 06:49 PM
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I didn't say that men don't have any problems, did I? It's not the fault of women that the most effective forms of contraception are female based. It's easier to stop implantation or fertilisation than to stop sperm production. Having a child isn't an easy thing for either parent and looking at it from a solely male perspective is short sighted. The expectations put on women are more overt. Everyone has an opinion on child rearing and no matter what you do, someone will tell you that you're doin…
/r/MensRights19/05/13 06:05 PM
1

That's good, what does this sub do specifically?
/r/MensRights19/05/13 05:54 PM
1

How are you doing that?
/r/MensRights19/05/13 05:12 PM
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Women who write things like this are the same ones who spend thousands on fertility treatments rather than adopting. Women are just as guilty as men for postponing having children.
/r/MensRights19/05/13 04:08 PM
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Women are the ones who will be biologically damaged by pregnancy and childbirth, expected to be primary caregivers and judged for every decision they make. Neither gender has it worse in this situation.
/r/MensRights19/05/13 04:05 PM
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Not you personally being defensive but the men's rights movement as a whole. Your situation is fucked up but I don't see an answer to my question.
/r/MensRights19/05/13 09:22 AM
1

So you would say that you care about women's issues as well as men's? I just don't see how being this defensive and victimy helps the movement.
/r/MensRights18/05/13 09:07 AM
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So why is that a reason not to spread the message of men's rights? There's no reason that men's rights and women's rights need to work against each other.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 04:15 PM
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If that was true, I wouldn't be here having this conversation with you. I think you're tarring everyone with the same brush. There are people, men and women, who see that the scales don't just tip one way. Hating women and/or feminists doesn't get the movement anywhere. It's counter-productive.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 02:06 PM
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Just because there are problems faced by men, doesn't mean there aren't problems faced by women and acknowledging one side doesn't make you sexist. A lot of people don't realise that there is a Men's Rights movement because they don't realise there's inequality there, ignorance isn't sexism and it can be rectified. How do you have an effective movement that doesn't try to rationally spread it's message?
/r/MensRights17/05/13 09:37 AM
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I'm not a feminist. Never have been. However, I think that you're extrapolating too far. Yes, there are man hating feminists but there are also woman hating MRAs, does that mean all MRAs are woman haters? Of course it doesn't. You talk about feminists as if they are a solid hivemind rather than a collection of individuals with differing opinions.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 09:29 AM
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You're confusing organisations with individuals. Most people want equality, not one over the other.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 06:20 PM
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It's exactly that sort of thing that makes you guys as bad as feminists, worse even because of your complaints about feminists. Feminists, true feminists, aren't your enemy.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 05:58 PM
1

How is that constructive? I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely interested in equalism.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 04:22 PM
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I'm not a feminist. I'm an equalist.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 04:19 PM
0

I don't need to pick a fight with you. If you want a debate or exchange of ideas, back up your points with facts. You talk about how the majority of the world is basically brainwashed but give no evidence.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 11:54 AM
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How can I argue against something with no factual backing? You've presented an opinion, not an argument.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 10:13 AM
1

I disagree on every single point there.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 09:29 AM
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I've seen plenty of upvoted woman hating here. Women are just looking for meal tickets, they're all gold diggers, treat men like rapists for no reason etc etc
/r/MensRights16/05/13 09:17 AM
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Feminism and Men's Rights should join forces and strive for equality. A lot of woman hating happens here and it's just as bad as man hating feminists. Equalism is the better option all round.
/r/MensRights15/05/13 08:01 PM
3

Not everyone feels that way. Keeping things like this inside a movement is silly. You should be rationally talking to people about issues instead of pitting yourselves against feminists.
/r/MensRights15/05/13 07:51 PM
3

Wow, you guys are harsh on women. OP, you should have spoken to your fiancé before you went to a lawyer. It's not that what you're asking for is unreasonable but that the way you went about it seems underhand.
/r/MensRights15/05/13 12:44 PM
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I agree with you on 1, 2 and 5. I think 3 is ludicrous as many people just don't think about these things before having sex but it's your opinion so I would hope you live by it. Chris should have told Connors about the pregnancy but given that the vast majority of the implications of the pregnancy involved her and not him, ultimately it should have been her decision to terminate. As much as I am an equalist, pregnancy and childbirth are ultimately one-sided in their nature.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 08:22 PM
0

So you would want to force a woman to endure pregnancy. That's very ignorant of you.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 07:59 PM
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But you just said that you wouldn't have that conversation yourself. You know you're being hypocritical and twisting my words.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 06:54 PM
0

Hold up, I'm confused. You think a woman should ask her sexual partner HIS opinion on abortion or children before sex? Or you think a woman should carry a child to term just because the man wants it?
/r/MensRights14/05/13 06:02 PM
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I think you're asking a hell of a lot. Would you discuss the potential of children with every potential sexual partner before entering a relationship?
/r/MensRights14/05/13 05:46 PM
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How can you be specific about something with so many variables? I have an open mind and am willing to be persuaded on to other view points but this is just a barrage of questions. If the father never wanted the child, never actively engaged in trying for a child and waives all parental rights, then they should be able to legally and financiallt separate themselves from mother and child. But how often is it so black and white?
/r/MensRights14/05/13 05:43 PM
1

What's your opinion on the matter, please?
/r/MensRights14/05/13 05:23 PM
0

Good lord you are not good at making sense are you? If partners aren't able to agree on whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term, ultimately the decision should rest with the person who will be pregnant, experience childbirth and all that follows. It's complex and there is no perfect solution.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 04:39 PM
0

Sorry, I don't understand the question. Are you asking if I think a man should be able to stop a woman from getting an abortion?
/r/MensRights14/05/13 04:31 PM
0

In what way?
/r/MensRights14/05/13 04:30 PM
1

That's a really big question and I don't have a perfect answer because I think it should be based on rules but on an individual basis. Previous relationship between parents, circumstances of conception and relationship/behaviour after conception.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 04:24 PM
3

This is why I consider myself an equalist.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 04:14 PM
0

What's the alternative here then? In a situation like this, both partners can't win.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 03:56 PM
0

Yes, in certain circumstances.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 03:54 PM
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It isn't, didn't claim it was.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 12:59 PM
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I don't think anyone is saying that Connors wasn't allowed to have feelings about his child but it's pretty clear that he wouldn't have wanted her to have an abortion. If he had his way, she would have been forced to end her career and endure a pregnancy that she clearly didn't want. How is it right for a woman to be forced to endure pregnancy? Sadly couples won't always agree on the best course of action.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 12:33 PM
1

There is an /r/equalism but it's dead as a dead thing on dead day.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 11:07 PM
1

I don't know. There should be!
/r/MensRights30/04/13 09:01 PM
4

For the reasons of OP and his friend, I am an equalist. Both genders face challenges and the bad blood between feminists and MR activists detract and distract from the real issues. You talk about how feminists dismiss your concerns and yet I've just seen many of you do the same thing. If you don't show respect to the feelings and opinions of others, how can you expect respect for your own?
/r/MensRights30/04/13 05:19 AM
1

If you sell a car and the person you sell it to hits a pedestrian, are you responsible for that? That's the logic that should be applied. Outside of a recognised sperm bank then really it's the donors fault for not protecting himself legally. The article you posted is an example of this.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 02:54 AM
1

I am not aware of any case where a donor using an approved sperm bank has been held accountable for a resulting child. I am well aware of the meaning of words I use. You are so embittered by the battle you see yourself fighting that you have invented an enemy that doesn't exist.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 08:25 PM
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A donor is not responsible for what is done with the donation once it's been given. I think you're trying a little to hard to create an enemy that doesn't exist here.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 05:04 PM
1

I don't think a single court in any reasonable country would support that case. You're trying really hard to put a misandric spin on a story involving no men.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 05:03 PM
1

I don't know for sure. I'd hope they would be treated equally but I'm aware that my hopes and reality don't always match.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 05:02 PM
1

Like I said, I disagree.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 04:59 PM
2

I disagree. It's medical, it's abuse and it's clearly very wrong but it's not sexual.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 06:16 AM
2

How is it rape? Rape is sexual by definition.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 05:58 AM
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There is no sexual assault here. This is child abuse but not sexual. I don't see how anyone could ever accuse the donor of doing anything. How can you even suggest that?
/r/MensRights29/04/13 04:07 AM
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A male parent in the same situation would not get a life sentence. And it's not rape or assault. It's abuse but it's not sexual.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 04:06 AM
2

That's ricidulous. This isn't rape and calling it rape is damaging to real rape cases.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 04:04 AM
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This. For any crime. An innocent verdict does not undo all of the harm that a public witch hunt causes.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 01:51 PM
1

These things are being researched already though. There's no 'maintaining the status quo'. I don't think anyone has a vested interest in not giving men control over their fertility.
/r/MensRights15/03/13 05:19 PM
-1

Changing the subject? Classic deflection.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 08:32 PM
1

I'm extrapolating. You state that males will never be taught about reproductive rights because they will realise that they are at a disadvantage. So someone wants to maintain the current standard. Sounds like a conspiracy to me. So, the change you seem to want would either be more male contraceptive choices or less male responsibility for conceived children.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 08:09 PM
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Seriously, are you suggesting there is a conspiracy to keep women in charge of contraception?
/r/MensRights14/03/13 07:38 PM
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That's hardly women's fault though is it? I'd love for there to be a reliable male contraceptive other than condoms.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 07:31 PM
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