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Eh, it's a pick your poison type of deal. Sure, male friendships don't typically involve all of that, but they are definitely more shallow. Maybe those women just prefer the shallowness over the cattiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:42 PM
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Yes, it's a problem. And it sucks. But there's nothing I can do about it. Men are seen as weird and creepy if they pursue any intimacy beyond just hanging out or "shooting the shit" within male or female friendships. All men can do is hope to eventually find a romantic relationship with a woman that can satisfy those emotional needs while keeping all his friendships "appropriately" casual/shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:05 PM
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Yeah fr. I think a lot of this boils down to women not understanding the fact that men by and large just do not have the friendships that women have with each other. Neither with women nor other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:05 PM
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This is correct. There's almost nothing about the status quo that I want to conserve, and red pillers are a bunch of Godless heathens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:42 AM
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There is women who like skinny men with no muscles The type of "skinny" guy with "no muscles" you're probably imagining is just a physique that takes 5 years to build in the gym instead of 10 years. It's prob closer to Brad Pitt from Fight Club than it is to Michael Cera. Women vastly underestimate how much training it takes to gain even very modest (compared to pro bodybuilders) amounts of muscle. Also, I don't really think it's true that women's preferences vary more than men's. Lots of men li…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:45 PM
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Yeah, that's fair. Obviously individual prefernces are gonna vary somewhat, but they'll generally be within the same ballpark range. As with most things concerning appearances/attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:50 PM
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Well by the same logic, you could argue that women don't like natural men. Men don't naturally have muscles, we're skinny-fat by default unless we train extensively. We are also naturally very hairy all over our bodies and have bushy beards and unkempt long hair. And we fucking reek. But women expect us to wear deodorant/fragrances, get a styled haircut, and trim our facial/body hair at the very least. And many women prefer men with clean shaven faces and no/little chest hair. Oh no, woe is me! …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:49 PM
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Yes, OP is wrong on this one, imo. But no, that doesn't mean men hate women without makeup. I'd argue most men would still prefer genuinely zero makeup over full glam. It goes sth like "e-girl" > no makeup > full glam. And idk what periods have to do with any of this??? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:13 PM
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I don't think it has anything to do with the amount of makeup, and that's where a lot of the miscommunication is happening. It's really more about the style and which specific products are used. Women seem to overestimate how important it is to have totally even, flawless skin. But men absolutely hate foundation, concealer, and contouring, especially if it's visibly powdery or cakey. We prefer natural, textured skin, even if there's some discoloration, acne, or blemishes. This is what men are pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:53 PM
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For me, I primarily focus on wanting to be seen as attractive not because it's necessarily the most important thing, but because it's the one thing I am least secure about. I don't need other people to tell me that I'm a good person, or smart, or funny, because I know I am all of those things. But I've never really been complimented, flirted with, openly desired, or otherwise made to feel attractive in my life. So it's hard for me to believe that I am attractive without any evidence to support t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:13 PM
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I think it's just because we live in a gynocentric society that has more rigid expectations for men than women in general, in every facet of life, which also extends to the differences between bi women's preferences for male vs female partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:15 PM
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Well you know who certainly can't protect her from men who aren't harmless? Another woman lol. Yet that doesn't stop bi women from being attracted to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:05 AM
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Sure, but a lot of women demonstrate through their dating choices that they don't really care enough to distinguish between the two, or aren't very good at it, even if they say that assertive is good and aggressive is bad. So may as well lump them together.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:43 AM
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Yeah sorry, I'm not necessarily talking about you specifically, but more broadly about women's preferences in general, even bi women. Which I'm sure you would agree with, even if that's not the case for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:35 PM
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If fearing men vs having a lack of fear with women were what's driving it, wouldn't women be more likely to want the most shy, gentle, awkward, small, scrawny, harmless men possible, while being ok with the opposite traits in women? But instead they want the tallest, strongest, most imposing, confident, dominant, assertive/aggressive, and outgoing men possible, while being ok with the opposite traits in women. So that can't be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:54 PM
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Not OP, but I don't think that's what he's saying. Maybe a better way to put it is: Most women don't have to be intentional in dating. They are the pursued sex and there's no expectation for them to ever initiate anything, so most can just go about living their lives and relationships just automatically happen to them, and they're never left wanting for one. But that this feeling of not needing to date with intention is a trap, because even if they don't strictly need to, they'd get better resul…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:23 PM
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There's 2 reasons for that: Obviously there's gonna be a bit of a lag. I'm sure there's a whole process they need to go through to determine that the word's use has sufficiently changed and to get approval to update the dictionary. In this specific case, the dictionaries are managed by institutions that are ideologically progressive, feminist, and misandrist, so they are "in on" the tactic feminists/misandrists employ to use "just gender equality" as a Trojan Horse for misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:55 PM
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I don't think those two examples are really comparable. For the gun on the nightstand example, yes it would feel bad to be seen as a potential rapist, but I also couldn't really blame you for it, cuz like I said, that's exactly what I'd do if I was a woman and damn anyone who had a problem with it. And as a gun person, I just fundamentally don't see having it on you as a threat or an intent to do something with it. Everyone should have a gun on them at all times. We'd live in a much more polite …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:16 AM
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My point was that definitions change, even according to the sources you consider authoritative. Not that I consider them authoritative or that they are never wrong. If almost all Americans uniformly called the Pacific Ocean the Atlantic Ocean, then yes, actually. it IS the Atlantic Ocean now. We decided it was the Pacific Ocean, so we can now decide it's the Atlantic Ocean. That one ocean being called the Pacific Ocean wasn't a decree from God or a mathematical truth of the universe. We decided …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:04 AM
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Well that's why the Glock stays on during sex lol. How do you think a man is going to respond if I tell him I’m going to put my gun on the nightstand or right beside my hand “just in case”? But real talk, honestly yeah, I would be cool with that. Cuz I'm not a rapist. If a guy objected to that, you should probably take it as a red flag. Let me put it this way: If I woke up as a woman tomorrow, I'd strap myself to the fucking teeth immediately. That shit would literally become an extension of my …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:47 AM
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Yes, words have meanings. But those meanings evolve constantly based on how people acutally use them. Dictionaries will literally go back and change the definitions of words that are now used differently. I take issue with the littany of strawmanning, but I agree with the basic premise that "conservative" is not an apt description for the modern American right. But it doesn't fucking matter what you or I think they SHOULD be called, because conservative is what they ARE called. Tough shit. You g…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:42 AM
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Even better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:32 AM
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Did you read the rest of my comment though? My argument is that if your definition of feminist doesn't accurately describe most people who identify as feminists, then it's a shit, useless definition. So all you're doing is linguistically jerking yourself off with meaningless abstract bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:31 AM
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How can dating be made equal when: - Men do not fear women like women fear men in dating on the basis of biological differences that make it easier for men to harm us. Ya know guns exist right? Our 17x higher muscle mass (or whatever) doesn't do us much good against a bullet. Oh--that's right. You guys keep voting to strip them away. Kinda shooting yourselves in the foot there, aren't ya? (lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:26 AM
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You're conflating two separate ideas. Just because I believe that we should roll with the definitions of words that best reflect how people are actually using them doesn't mean that people can't have an inaccurate perception of a word or lie about it. Yes, feminism = misandry. But feminists/misandrists will deliberately lie and deny that because they want to use the idea of "just gender equality" as a Trojan Horse for misandry. Those two ideas are not in conflict at all, whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:19 AM
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Motte, allow me to introduce you to Bailey.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:15 AM
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Well if that's the case, then 99% of people who claim to be feminists are not feminists. So it kinda ceases to be a useful definition, doesn't it? Going by your example, if 99% of humans start calling themselves tooth fairies, well I guess that's what we're called now, like it or not. May as well just accept that in actual common parlance, feminism = misandry. A better term for what you're describing that hasn't been bastardized yet is egalitarianism. So just say that. What you're doing is equal…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:10 AM
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I mean rape and SA are obviously horrible and traumatizing, but if I could get SA'd once and never have to work again for the rest of my life, I'd probably take that deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:16 PM
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How many truly straight women there are is debateable though, as each generation(especially of women) are identifying as LGBQTIA+ more each generation It's because of birth control. Birth control is literally making a huge chunk of women gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:32 AM
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Well society is basically one big jail for humans, so it might be more applicable than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:04 PM
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Assuming that all women are leftist now? Young women? Pretty much, yeah. And that's the only demographic that's relevant when it comes to modern dating discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:53 PM
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Well now you're equating two different things. First you said "doesn't have anything nice to say about women". Now you're describing a guy who does potentially have nice things to say about women, but just doesn't actually say it out loud to any particular woman for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:56 AM
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Do men hold a woman who would do anything for them in high regards? I would, yes. So I guess it's not inherently gendered. But I do feel that it's my responsibility as a man to not let her, if it came to that. Even if I appreciate the thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:20 AM
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You're focusing too much on the "doing" itself and not what's behind it. Whether you want a man to do anything for you or not, a man's willingness to do anything for a woman is a major way that men demonstrate love for a woman. It's natural to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:10 AM
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A man who doesn't have anything nice to say about women is not a good man. So if you believe most men don't have anything nice to say about women, then you also believe most men are not good men. Which is a misandrist belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:07 AM
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Obviously we're not talking about a literal scenario. We're talking about a man who would do anything for you, generally speaking. Move mountains for you. Take a bullet for you. Catch a grenade for you (lol). You get the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:19 AM
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Maybe one day you would meet a man who would jump in front of a train for you if you weren't a man-hating feminist. You think you're a feminist because there aren't any good men. But you've got the order wrong. You're driving away all the good men cuz you reek of misandry (which is basically synonymous with feminism at this point, like it or not). And that goes both ways, btw. You guys say it to men all the time. There absolutely are some men out there whose only or main problem is that they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:03 AM
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I think it was definitely real in the past, but people nowadays just aren't aging like they used to. Extreme tanning and smoking cigarettes has gone out of fashion. Also, fitness is really taking off and people seem to generally be taking better care of their bodies (or just using Ozempic).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:40 PM
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How is that supposed to work if you're out of college and in a male-dominated profession? Joining some bs hobby group to meet women is just as artificial as dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:10 PM
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Where did she say that? From everything I read, she didn't give a specific reason for why this hypothetical woman wouldn't want sex. She seems to basically be saying it could be for any reason, and it doesn't matter. But it does matter to me. So I wanted to specify with my response that the woman being asexual makes a huge difference and that, in combination with being a virgin, is the only way it could be justified and preferable to being alone, in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:48 PM
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If she was an asexual virgin and planned to die a virgin, then I'd take it over being alone (but still not ideal, obviously). But if she was attracted to other men and/or had sex with other men before, but specifically wasn't attracted to me or specifically didn't want to have sex with me for some other reason, then I'd rather be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:12 PM
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I think the single family home point is backwards. Apartments are not inherently antithetical to raising a family. People do it all the time all around the world, and have done so historically. Some even do it here, right now. But the reason most people don't (at least in America), is because apartments pretty much only exist in dense urban centers, where there is higher crime and filth, and the streets are rampant with encampments and drug addicted and/or mentally ill vagrants. Not to mention s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:53 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:41 PM
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Legalize child labor. Seriously. That's why the third world is massively outbreeding us, despite being much poorer. When you're allowed to put your kids to work, they pay for themselves or even turn a profit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:02 AM
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Idk, all the other things I listed are recent changes in society too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:40 AM
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I'm sure gold-digging is part of it, but it's also probably influenced by the prevalence of MILF porn, just plain desperation bc the dating market for young men is so brutal, and the ideological gap between young men and young women (young men skew much more conservative than young women, but older women are more conservative than younger women).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:37 AM
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I gave them both my standard response of, "I don't give out my number," and then they both insisted. Like, what's even the point of that, when it's obvious I'm never going to reach out? Could they really think I would change my mind later for some reason? I think the problem is this: Society needs to make up its mind whether women's sexuality is basically the same as men's, in the sense that they can look at a man and know whether or not they like him and will ever like him in a split second, li…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:46 AM
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See what I mean? You guys are sooo good at policing them. "You don't need to do it. You're degrading yourselves for no reason. (So don't do it!) I really just feel sorry for them (shaming)." You might not even know you're doing it. Just doing it unconsciously. Take notes, men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:42 AM
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This. In economic terms, simps and pick-mes are both "scabs". They undercut their own gender's leverage in the dating market. But women are much better at policing their scabs than men are lately.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:43 PM
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There's a pretty vast middle ground between worshipping women and beating them. When we say "stop dating assholes", we mean "stop dating men who literally abuse you". When we say "stop simping" we mean "don't give women one-sided attention and condition them to feel entitled to that, and be willing to call them out on their bullshit when it's needed".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:41 PM
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Called it. So your point is moot then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:18 AM
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Yes, now you're getting it. Both men and women should stop being whores. But I'm guessing that's not what you actually want, is it? You only bring that up to try and excuse promiscuity for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:08 AM
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(never mind that plenty of it has none of those things) Did you miss that part? I'm not defending any of the things I listed. I agree that they're mostly bad. But they can all be easily avoided, so it's a null argument as to why ALL drawn/animated porn is bad. And ok, on the AI issue, we're distinguishing between essential and non-essential goods. Well the golf course point still stands. Why isn't there equivalent outrage over golf? Probably because it doesn't involve men looking at other women'…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:28 PM
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Yes, it is. Because I can go down the list and scratch off every single one of those things and women will still find a way to criticize it. "The porn industry is exploitative." Ok, let's say I only watch drawn/animated porn. Now what? "It's full of pedophilia and incest." Ok, I'm not into that. I only look at stuff that features vanilla sex with characters who are canonically adults and designed to be very adult-looking. "Well it can still cause porn addiction." Ok, well I only watch it a few t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:21 PM
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Can you explain why women posting in this thread aren't representative of women's opinions? Are they not real women that also exist in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:57 PM
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Ok, maybe "zealot" was too harsh. Fair enough. My point was just that only a small subgroup of Christians who take it very seriously don't watch porn. The vast majority of people who call themselves Christians still do. But I digress. With the secular women, they say it's about exploitation, but you'll notice that they always have a convenient reason to oppose every other type of porn loaded up too. Drawn/animated porn/hentai? "Ew pedophilia! Ew incest! Ew fetishizing asian women!" (never mind t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:54 PM
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The porn industry has a huge abusive side to it There are plenty of other types of porn that don't have that issue, but as you can see from the responses from other women in this thread, they will find some other excuse to be against any and every form of porn. So that's clearly not what it's about. It's just jealousy, and everything else is post hoc rationalization. Which to be clear, there's nothing wrong with jealousy, but then you have to be consistent. No porn of any type for you either, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:13 PM
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It's definitely not just religious zealouts. There are plenty of secular radical feminist types who share the same view (obviously for different reasons). In fact I'd argue they account for the vast majority of it among young people today. Let's not pretend otherwise. Be so for real.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:04 PM
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I think you're misinterpreting the video. If I'm understanding it right, the guy who was being forceful was the BF, while the guy who was just standing there and she kissed willingly was some other guy. But obviously if my GF was loyal and some guy was trying to forcefully kiss her or otherwise SA her, and she was resisting it and demonstrating no intent to cheat, then I'd beat the shit out of him. I don't think that's what's happening in this video tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:57 PM
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Nah fuck that, she already cheated on him. It's over, so she's no longer his responsibility and he doesn't owe her anything. Let her get taken advantage of. She made her bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 08:56 PM
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I can't speak for anyone else, or what "should" be done, but here's how I view it: I don't give a fuck how drunk she is. Even attempting to kiss another guy while drunk is already cheating in my book, so I wouldn't stop her. Even if I stopped her, she already cheated on me by intent, so it wouldn't matter. So right then and there, she's dead to me and no longer my responsibility. So I'm just leaving on the spot, blocking her on everything, ghosting her, and if we lived together, I'm either movin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 08:54 PM
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Ok, fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:28 PM
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How many of the women you split with have continued to go on 2nd, 3rd, etc. dates with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:52 PM
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Let me ask you this: Do you actually split the bill with the women who offer it? Or do you just decide to pay, despite the offer? Because the claim isn't that women never offer to split the bill. Ofc most women will offer, but often it's not a genuine offer, and they expect you to insist on paying, and are disappointed if you don't. Often times leading to no 2nd date.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:03 PM
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What good is +2 STR in modern society? And +1 INT isn't enough to offset all institutions being hostile and stacked against us.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:57 AM
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How convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:47 AM
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The human psyche needs struggle, conflict, challenge, and to overcome hardship. When it comes to dating, men already have it hard enough as is. But for women, it's just too easy by default, unless they actively make it harder for themselves by constantly chasing better and better men, who are often out of their league and won't commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:18 AM
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We must continue to do more to dispel the idea of a zero-sum game in which women are the only beneficiaries of a gender-equal world. Oh, so now ya'll wanna take our interests into consideration? That's real fucking rich. Whatever strategy of pandering you come up with isn't gonna work, because it's abundantly clear to us all that you don't actually give a shit about us. Never have, never will. You're just pretending to now, because you have to, because you're losing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:11 AM
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No matter how much of an "alpha" you are, there's always a bigger fish. A guy whose more attractive, richer, more status, more charming, etc. If you're an "alpha", then by definition you have the pick of the litter. Why would you pick a cheating hoe if you don't have to? Why wouldn't you just pick one of the millions of other girls who are equally attractive but not a cheating hoe? You're the "alpha" afterall, so you could have any one of them if you wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:58 AM
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I don't really think there is an "objective B" to be gained in this case though. Because if I was interested in a hobby enough to want to do it regardless of dating prospects, I'd already be doing it. I'm already doing all the things I enjoy doing and not doing anything I don't enjoy doing. And guess what? All the things I enjoy doing are 99% male... cuz I'm a dude. At the end of the day, no matter what it is, chances are I'd rather be at home playing video games. And I probably wouldn't even en…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:34 AM
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Again, you're citing a very obscure example. I mean how many guys do you think actually did that? You seem to have trouble delineating between things that are obscure and mainstream in general. And to some extent I don't blame you. Social media elevates and amplifies extreme outliers to drive outrage and clicks, and it messes with your perception of what's actually obscure vs mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:58 PM
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So you recognize the issue, but you participate in it yourself too. when its only women that suffer the consequences of male entitlement You don't think men suffer consequences of female entitlement? Why must women always insist that their problems are unique or worse than ours? You do realize how unproductive that is, right? This exact pattern of behavior is a big part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:47 PM
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Because this is an obscure, niche, online community where people come to express opinions that aren't acceptable in mainstream spaces. If it was socially acceptable to shame women for their sexual choices (for example) in mainstream spaces, this sub wouldn't exist. There'd be no need for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:43 PM
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Ok, fair enough. We agree then. Not sure why you felt the need to change the reasoning in your initial example, but I digress. Why are the men incapable of doing that? Why cant they express their preferences without insulting people outside it? For the record, I agree that they shouldn't. But I think it comes from a place of returning the negative energy that they receive when women express their preferences in a derogatory way (such as about height, income, inexperience, etc.). And don't preten…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:38 PM
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I think the main reason for the disconnect is that most of us here are young enough that the shaming of women that you're referencing was simply a thing of the past in the world we grew up in. Maybe it was still around for part of your life (since you have "post wall" in your flair), but the last time anyone in the world unironically used the word "spinster" certainly must have been before I was born. And I'm not even that young, I'm in my mid-20s. So you and I probably grew up in different worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:34 PM
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You're kinda conflating two separate things with your examples. Notice how in the "unacceptable" example, the preference is stated in a derogatory manner and the expressed reasoning behind it is not wanting a promiscuous partner. But in the "acceptable" example, you not only made the delivery more polite, but you also changed the reasoning behind it. It's no longer because you don't want a promiscuous partner, but rather just because you don't want kids, period. So you're implying that the latte…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:23 PM
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I agree that it should be normal to talk to someone for about a month online or as friends before meeting in person/having your first date. But unfortunately I don't think that's very common. I think most people only exchange a few words with someone a few times before going on a first date, and then use the first few dates to get to know eachother, without talking much in between them. So I think the average person who's fucking after the 3rd date has literally only talked to the other person f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:54 PM
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There's no way you can get to know someone enough to not be strangers after only 3 dates. Unless the 3 dates were each separated by at least a few months of constant talking. Or you already knew the person for a while before the 1st date. I don't think you can call someone "not a stranger" until you've been talking to them for extended periods, several times a week, for at least a few months. In most cases, realistically more like 6+ months.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:26 PM
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I should clarify that I wasn't necessarily directing that toward you in particular. I'm just saying that in general, if women find that the men they are attracted to won't commit to them, then they need to either become more attractive or date less attractive men (and that goes for men too). But that doesn't contradict my agreement with the earlier statements that, so long as women are realistic about which men are in their league, then they absolutely should "choose better" by properly vetting …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:18 PM
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You said men only ever tell women to choose less attractive men when they say to "choose better". I'm proving you wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:59 PM
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There is nothing that prevents a woman from engaging in better vetting and filtering from the group of men she feels strongly attracted to. Correct. "vet the men you find hot" or "take things slowly with the men you find hot." Yes, exactly this. However, I will say this: If the men you find hot are consistently ignoring you at worst, or being non-committal at best, then that should tell you that the men you find hot are out of your league. So you need to either "ascend" to their league (become m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:58 AM
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you will NEVER have any resemblance of your life prior to kids This was always the main hangup for me. But one day it dawned on me how depressing it would be to keep living the same way I do now in my 20s, but in my 40s, 50s, 60s, etc. Like, what am I gonna do when I get old and can't do anything, and all my friends have kids and we lose touch? Sit in a retirement home, alone, watching T.V. every day until I die? Even with a child-free wife, it sounds incredibly lonely and boring. Did that line …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:05 AM
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I don't think numbers tell the whole story, and they can be easily manipulated. If you actually go to any of these places and walk around and live your life, you'll see that crime is a noticeable problem, compared to the same places in the past (before the policies were enacted) and/or areas of the country that don't have those policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 09:07 PM
1

Many large cities in the U.S., particularly on the West Coast, like Seattle, Portland, SF, and LA.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:37 PM
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It's not just being seen, but being seen in a sexual context. That's what separates it from, idk, a doctor's examination, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:10 PM
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Ideally we'd have better enforcement of our laws against trafficking, and taking down any content that's been found to be associated with trafficking, so that we can rest assured that any content we're able to view didn't involve any trafficking. But people of certain political persuasions aren't exactly helping with that cuz they refuse to accept that "rehabilitative" justice is a failed experiment and we need to crack down on (violent) crime in general. But that's a whole other conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:08 PM
1

What if everyone did that? If men didn’t consume porn, there would be no women “ruining” themselves. If men didn't consume porn, they'd be having more pre/extra-marital casual sex with more women, which is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:19 PM
1

Herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:17 PM
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Nah, I'd prefer if they weren't trafficked.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:17 PM
1

You are so angry that these women aren’t being abused by a man or owned by a man. No? Plenty of pre-OF conventional porn was solo content, and plenty of OF content involves men, and I'm sure trafficking, SA, and ambiguous consent are all issues within OF too. That these women aren’t making worthless men money off of their bodies. Yes, they are. At the very least, they are all paying a cut of their profits to the owners of OF for using their platform. And I'm sure many OF actresses have men manag…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:05 PM
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Yes. She's still exposing herself on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:17 AM
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If you think porn is “ruining” someone, don’t you consider yourself watching porn immoral, since by creating demand for that type of content, you are “ruining” someone? The woman was already ruined when the porn was produced. Now that it's already been produced, and the woman is already ruined, there's no additional harm done by a single individual consuming it. Sure, it contributes to more demand for producing more porn in the future, but the impact of a single individual is tiny, and it probab…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:54 PM
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It used to be that there were a small number of the same handful of pornstars that basically made all of the professional porn content. So men were able to enjoy that content, while only a few women were "ruined" in the process, and everyone knew who those women were, so they could easily avoid them. But now everyone and their mother has an OF (literally). Anyone could have an OF, and you might never know. Wayyy more women are rendering themselves not "relationship material" and reducing men's o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:30 PM
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The birth rate is low which means populations are aging thus the fresh batch of 18 year olds ain’t coming. Not if we keep importing as many immigrants as we have been. Which you probably support, no? Especially those from the third world. They breed like rabbits. So you'd be supporting your own replacement with tens of millions of young latinas in the future lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:35 PM
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And it's part of why society is noticeably crumbling. Is that not reason enough for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:28 PM
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There absolutely is something wrong with that. It's immoral. It's degeneracy. And it's part of why society is noticeably crumbling.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:21 PM
2

Sure, I guess. But surely you can't call yourself red pill if you use zero of the "tools". So logically, there has to be a certain point where you flip from either "red pill" or "not red pill" depending on how many tools you use.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:12 PM
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Agreed. The hypocrisy is rampant. They should practice what they preach.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:59 PM
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Yes, but there's a "fresh batch" of 18 year olds every year. If at a societal scale, more women (and therefore also men) stay single at 30+, then many of those men are gonna opt for the 18 year olds instead of their peers. Of course, those 18 year olds won't truly desire them, and to the extent that the older men can "pull" them using money/status, it'll be a transactional relationship, glorified prostitution, which ultimately won't be fulfilling for them. But realistically speaking, I still thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:55 PM
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(cont.) men do not do these things at all. Most men start to bald and have wrinkles in their early 20's, more men are overweight than women, more men have had more sexual partners than women. Not sure what your point here is. Yes, men's dating market value also decreases as they age. Possibly at a slightly slower rate and starting at a slightly higher age compared to women, but it still decreases. Although I think you're being a bit hyperbolic here. And yes, men's value and ability to pair bond …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:46 PM
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Ok, a lot to unpack here. Just by marrying younger, like boomers, you cant avoid the "i hate my wife" trope... My whole point is that, with most things in life, there's not a perfect solution. Every option has its own pros and cons. If you marry young, then you're able to lock down a man early, and if he's the right man, he'll be less likely to leave you when you're older because he'll be emotionally attached to you. But we all have worse judgement when we're young, so the probability of him bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:45 PM
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This is the delusional aspect of the red pill and part of why I'm not fully subscribed to it. They think that they can still be as desirable to younger women as they age, if they have money and status to make up for it. So it leads them to think they have more leverage than they do. And maybe on some level they're right, they can maybe still get sex through some kind of sugar baby situation, but it's glorified prostitution. No different from jerking off. They won't actually be desired, so they'l…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:03 PM
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So really women should take this advice as don’t date seriously until you are older because a man who “still wants you” past 25 or 30 or whatever age isn’t just into you because you are young. If your mindset is "I either want a man who will still be attracted to me when I'm old, or bust.", then sure, that's fine advice. But the problem is that realistically there aren't many men who find older women attractive, especially when you consider that those men will tend to be older themselves (your a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:56 PM
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If the relationship is based on the premise that sexual attraction is necessary, and we accept that sexual attraction will decline, why does anyone pretend to wanting a long term relationship? Because as much as your partner's sexual attraction to you declines as you age, everyone else's sexual attraction to you as you age declines MUCH more, since they have no emotional attachment to you. So sure, in a marriage, you might not have as much sex with each other as you used to as you both age, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:44 PM
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I don't think them hating each other is necessarily an inevitable consequence of marrying young. From what I've seen, the "I hate my wife" trope tends to be related to the "nagging wife" trope, with the resentment being a response to the "constant nagging" (or what the husband perceives as constant nagging). Now of course, it's possible that the husband is in the wrong and the nagging is justified, or that neither party is wrong and the nagging is the result of a fundamental incompatibility that…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:37 PM
1

Aren't you just proving his point by implying that women don't want to be won over?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:41 PM
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I didn't say Republican politicians really do care about them. But at least they don't hate them based on their identity. Democrats also favor the rich and powerful, but are bigoted toward them on top of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:29 AM
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White men don't vote Republican because Republicans specifically target them. They vote Republican cuz they're the only ones not targeting them (maliciously). Meanwhile women and minorities vote Democrat, because they promise gibs specifically to them on the basis of their identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 10:41 PM
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Sure, but if they're not the current dominant ideas and morals, then how can you be a conservative by the literal definition? How are fusionists any more "conservative" than Whigs or Jacksonians or New Deal democrats or Bull Moose progressives, and so on? And if they all are, then how can it even be a useful term?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 10:36 PM
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Yeah obviously the trend doesn't apply to literally every single individual, but are you really pretending like the average Republican isn't a little bit more gruff and macho than the average Democrat? Are you not walking outside and seeing the same world I am? Like come on, don't be intentionally obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:39 PM
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You can be ideologically against ending no-fault divorce or defunding ACA and welfare programs, but how do those specifically disadvantage women on the basis of being female? Also, the SAVE act had provisions directing states to deal with name mismatches using other documentation. Which, I guess I'd grant that it'd be inconvenient for those women to have to provide additional documentation, but is that alone really a big enough deal to determine which side you lean politically? Like are you real…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:35 PM
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That still doesn't make any sense, even if you're clinging to the strictest, most literal definition of "conservative". You, by definition, cannot "conserve" something that is not currently in place, even if it was in place sometime in the past. If you wanted to return to a system that was in place in the past, but is not in place in the present, then you would be "reverting" to it, not "conserving" it. So you'd be more of a "reversionist" than a "conservative".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:25 PM
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as well as 50% of the man’s role What exactly are you referring to here? And which conservative politicians or thought-leaders advocated it? If conservative men want to be more attractive then they need to be financially attractive to women by offering a cushy lifestyle and be willing to use that money generously on her in the relationship. Yes, that was the contract we had in place. Conservative men by and large would be more than happy to do that if women held up their end. But from our perspe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:22 PM
0

Yeah, fuck them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:13 PM
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So is a socialist in modern day Russia also a conservative? If so, then the term is meaningless in the way you're using it. There's also really no such thing as a new idea. Everything has been tried somewhere at some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:12 PM
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It's not just IT programmers. It's all areas of IT, finance, accounting, data analysts, researchers, engineers, they're all being threatened to varying degrees. Please show me what liberal men don't embody. Lifting weights/being muscular, having beards, opening pickle jars, changing a tire, "chivalry" (aka benevolent sexism), more masculine personalities in general, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:08 PM
1

Idk man. Why are Disney Princess movies still massively successful? Why do little girls still choose to play with baby dolls, even when they have other options and aren't influenced?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:04 PM
1

"Nuh-uh, I know a guy who doesn't fit that trend, therefore it's disproven." You're literally doing the meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:00 PM
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At the highest level yes. But I'd argue that the average guy working a trade is probably better off financially nowadays than the average guy working white collar office jobs that are largely going extinct or being replaced by AI/immigrants. I say this as a white collar guy, so it's not me "coping" or anything. Besides, being a provider financially isn't the only aspect of traditional masculinity that women seek and that conservative men embody more often than liberal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:57 PM
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That's just not true. You're getting too hung up on the literal meaning of the word "conservative". But in reality, American "conservatives" aren't actually conservative at all. They're right-wing reactionaries rebelling against the neo-liberal establishment. They also don't just wanna conserve whatever the status quo happens to be. They are ideologically committed to the fusionist blend of classical liberalism and social traditionalism, which although was the status quo at one point in America'…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:54 PM
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What changes can conservatives even make to our platform that are more advantageous to women, without ceasing to be conservative? Like... I'd be willing to make some concessions, but no I'm not gonna change my stance on what I genuinely believe is the mass murder of babies, just so we can pick up a few amoral female voters who vote purely on self-interest. That's not the type of person I want in my movement anyway. And what else from the liberal/democratic platform specifically advantages women,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:49 PM
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What exactly are "liberal values" and how do they serve women better? (Hard mode: without mentioning abortion.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:44 PM
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Eachother, obviously. /j (sort of)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:24 PM
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It goes both ways though. There also aren't enough liberal men for liberal women to date. Especially when you account for the fact that liberal women still often expect men to embody many aspects of traditional masculinity, which liberal men more often don't conform to. Not to mention that liberal men are less likely to be dating seriously with the intent to marry within the foreseeable future, which is what most women seem to want, and they are instead more interested in something casual or non…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:23 PM
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Yeah, fair enough. But I think for most normal, neurotypical people, especially extroverts, even "taking initiative" is like breathing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:38 PM
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I think the disconnect here might be due to neurodivergence. To a neurotypical person, everything from body language, to tone of voice, to every social cue and unspoken rule under the sun, comes so naturally that it seems appropriate to lump all of it together as "simply not being a creep". Whereas to someone who's potentially neurodivergent, all of those social cues are such a conscious, constant, Herculean effort, that it doesn't make any sense to reduce it all to "simply not being a creep", s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:02 PM
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Ah yes, the socialist Sweden lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:55 PM
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Unironically. Our obscenely abundant grocery stores are literally one of the main factors that contributed to the Soviet Union abandoning communism lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:35 AM
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Was life better for the average person during the period of time where they paid a lot more?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:30 AM
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Sure, that's possible, but extremely unlikely for individual preferences to vary quite that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:39 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:25 AM
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Even if that's true, I for one don't want to be in a relationship with a woman who thinks I'm average or below average. So that does nothing for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:15 AM
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I don't think it's helpful to get bogged down on specific numbers. Regardless of the exact breakdown, and for whatever reason, I think it's pretty clear that a much larger portion of young men are chronically single and sexless than young women of the same age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:12 AM
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The only way to win is to be so ridiculously hot that your advances are always welcome no matter who, what, when, where, or how.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:46 PM
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Thanks for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 12:31 AM
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Ok, thanks for the concession.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:50 AM
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So are you disagreeing with me that supporting homsexuality is a requirement for being considered a liberal? You're right that I don't have a decree from God on the definition of a liberal, but we don't really have that for anything now do we? So your argument is completely asinine. At the end of the day we all know that supporting homosexuality is generally considered part of being a liberal. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. You accuse me of "conflating" things, but you're the one conflating…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:48 AM
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Well there is no "liberal canon", so that's kind of a non-starter. But we all colloquially recognize that there are certain views that are pretty integral to being considered a liberal. And one of those things is supporting homosexuality. But I would argue that unwillingness to date a bisexual man requires outright disgust for homosexuality. It's not like dating someone with physical features you're not attracted to. It's dating someone who did something in the past that doesn't affect you or yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:33 AM
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Or alternatively, these were completely different individuals, and people have generally gotten less homophobic over the years.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:26 AM
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I think you're misinterpreting my statement. I agree that you mostly can't negotiate or force attraction. But it is hypocritical for a liberal woman to not date bi men. If a liberal woman finds that she is disgusted by bisexuality in men, then that warrants some introspection and possibly reevaluating her political views. Because if that's the case, then imo she was never really a liberal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:23 AM
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this is only ever a setup for men and liberal women alike to demonize women for their preferences You say that like only straight and conservative women won't date bi men. But from what I've seen, plenty of liberal women and even women who are bi themselves also won't. The overwhelming majority of women on this sub, or on reddit in general, hell even just women anywhere in general, are liberal. I don't have a horse in this race cuz none of this applies to me, and I really don't care, but no matt…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:14 AM
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Well, there are some common threads that I could get into I guess, but answers are gonna vary at least somewhat between different men. So if you already have a BF, why don't you just ask him?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:37 PM
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Men are on average to the right of women. In most cases it's probably not about preference, but simply about availability. There are simply not enough left-wing men to go around for all the left-wing women, so some of them are gonna have to date centrists or right-leaning guys, or just not date at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:09 PM
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Young people are having far less casual sex, and teenage pregnancy is rapidly declining.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 04:52 AM
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Not OP, but I would say that for it to be legitimate criticism and not hate, it has to be something that's undeniably true, something that's actually harmful/unreasonable/not valid, and you have to acknowledge that not all men do it and distinguish between good and bad men. Some examples of valid criticism: Virtually all violent crime is committed by men. That's simply a statistical fact. And it's reasonable for both men and women to be more cautious around men they don't know than women they do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 06:16 PM
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You should have absolutely no problems whatsoever. In fact, this reads like it was written by the average PPD woman describing exactly what standards they think a man "should" have. It's their wet dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:58 PM
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If a man does everything right, he'd usually peak around 25. By that point he'd have been lifting long enough to have a good physique, but he wouldn't usually be balding yet, and his skin wouldn't usually show signs of aging yet. But men can peak earlier and have a higher peak if they start lifting really early. They could also peak earlier or later if they were overweight or obese, or otherwise sabotaged their appearance somehow, during the time that should've been their peak, but that will res…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 12:33 PM
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For men, finding a woman physically attractive is 100% non-negotiable in order to be in a relationship with her. Whereas for women, although physical attraction does still matter to some extent, they are often willing to overlook it in favor of other qualities like personality, intelligence, humor, wealth, or status--at least more so than men. I don't say that to glorify women as being "less shallow" than men. In fact, I don't think it's good at all that women do this. I think if a woman settles…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 06:42 PM
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If it's for the reason I think it is, you wouldn't wanna date the types of women who'd reject you for being Eastern European anyway. They're doing you a favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 05:26 PM
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I don't think that's a common perception anymore. Maybe for old people, or if someone's really not up to date on global politics. If anything, Eastern Europeans are stereotyped as being very right-wing, and to some extent it's true, and it's a response to suffering under the horrors of communism in recent memory. In fact that was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this post as to why women wouldn't want to date Eastern European men. Cuz they're seen as very conservative/traditional/…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 05:23 PM
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No. It's not just about casual sex itself, but also what it demonstrates about someone's character. In a society where you get stoned to death for having casual sex, if a woman doesn't have casual sex, that tells me absolutely nothing about her character. She likely only refrained out of fear for her life. But if a woman chooses to refrain from casual sex even in a free society like ours (the U.S./the west), then that speaks volumes about her character. And that's the type of woman I want to spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:50 PM
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is it really unreasonable to hold progressive people (who anoint themselves as arbiters of what’s fair and just) to account for the ways they are biased against the majority? It is unreasonable, because they are incapable of accountability. You should know that by now. It's a lost cause. It's a waste of time that could be better spent on a million other more productive things. Like the progressive critique of media not having balanced numbers of roles for each gender falls flat when the proposed…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:45 PM
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Here's your problem: You're trying to combat discrimination against majority groups from a progressive perspective. You're trying to make progressivism something it's not. Progressivism is inherently, fundamentally biased against majority groups. It won't cease its bias against men, heterosexuals, cisgenders, or white people until the moment those groups cease to be majority groups--and even then it may still not, because it's too accustomed to those groups being the majority groups. You will ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:20 PM
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Most people date within their same socioeconomic niche That's only because we tend to be forced into an environment where most people around us are within a similar socieconomic status. For instance, if you work at a FAANG company, all of your coworkers and ppl you interact with are probably paid very well just like you. So just cuz ppl date within their status doesn't mean they specifically seek out only ppl within their status. Just like how you're also statistically most likely to get in a ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:37 PM
1

Are we using the same sub? Everyone here hates bars and clubs. Or are you referring to conversations you're having IRL?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 06:56 PM
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You're interpreting it wrong. Men are complaining about women chasing a very small portion of men for relationships. Yes, that obviously includes sex, because people tend to have sex in relationships, but sex isn't what it's about. And again, when men complain about women having such high body counts, it isn't about sex, it's about how that makes them unsuitable as long term partners (which is what they want). You will never see some frat bro who wants to get laid as much as possible complain ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 01:55 AM
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What exactly are the RP myths that you're telling men not to believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:22 PM
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I can't speak for all men, but yes, that would solve the issue in my view. Although I object to the dismissive framing of it as "whining". And that makes me question if you're asking in good faith or even capable of showing empathy. Edit: In other words, I don't think you want to show empathy. I think you were hoping that I would answer no, so that you could feel justified in continuing to not show empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:04 PM
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Exactly. They always frame it as being about sex, rather than loneliness, or wanting companionship or a romantic connection. It's a deliberate tactic to make our struggles seem less sympathetic and easier to dismiss without feeling guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 05:59 PM
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Women who show any ounce of empathy toward men are flamed as being "pickmes", not a "girl's girl", or a bad feminist. It's a very vocal portion of hateful women policing other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 05:56 PM
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You don't get to decide that. Society relies on the jobs only men can do. If men are unwilling to participate in society, then there's no society. So if men are saying that they won't participate in society if there's not a reasonable expectation of love, sex, marriage, and companionship with good women, then... that's that. Don't like it? Tough. Cuz you sure as hell ain't gonna lay bricks or work an oil rig. If you don't want society to crumble, then you better make it more attractive for men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 03:58 PM
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Problem is that would attract the wrong type of woman. I'm looking for a LTR and eventually marriage with a sweet, modest, virtuous woman. But the types of women who are attracted to aloof assholes are usually bitchy whores with a litany of red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 03:50 PM
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Imo, if you're being as objective as possble, and you think your partner is anything less than a 9/10, you're settling. And by "9/10", I mean maybe they have a few tolerable flaws, but you otherwise find them extremely viscerally attractive, to the point that you wanna rip their clothes off every time you see them. And if your partner is overweight, it's impossible for them to be a 9/10. So that alone means the vast majority of couples are settling for each other, since most people are overweigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 02:57 AM
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I think the vast majority of couples are settling for each other. LIke 70-90%. Probably a bit higher for women than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 02:52 AM
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Self-improvement does make you more attractive to women, just not that kind of self-improvement. If you put on just enough muscle to look like you lift, cut to 10-15% BF, get a flattering hair style and facial hair style, and dress well, then you've done all you can do to improve your attractiveness to women. At that point you're at least not ugly, unless your genetics are 1 in a million terrible. And the rest comes down to getting an active coed social life and at least not being socially inept…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:44 PM
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I'm glad that you were lucky enough to have relationships where these things were normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 03:24 PM
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Idk, give them lots of affection (both sexual and non-sexual), give them gifts, cook for them, do thoughtful things for them, be aggressively loyal to them, listen to them, help them with their problems, take their feelings into account when you make decisions, be willing to compromise, etc. Just generally do nice things for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 02:38 PM
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Bro wut. What does that have to do with anything? lol 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 12:53 AM
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Where have I ever claimed that men have more, or worse problems than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 10:59 PM
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🙄You people always have to one-up. You can never just say both genders face their own problems and leave it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:31 PM
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I think everyone should treat their partner like a "chad/stacy". If you don't, then you clearly don't like them enough, and you should just dump them so they can find someone else who does. But leagues are real. If a 5/10 guy is dating a 5/10 girl, they're objectively not a chad or stacy. But they're each the best the other can get. So they should either treat eachother like a chad/stacy, or stay single until they looksmaxx enough to bag someone they're willing to treat like a chad/stacy. So yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:14 PM
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Women that find a guy despite hating men say "he is the exception" That still counts as "treating him horrible". It's the same exact thing as being racist, but telling a black person "you're one of the good ones".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:49 PM
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I think it's probably because sexuality is actually a bit more fluid than we're comfortable admitting, especially for women, and a lot of women really are political lesbians because they hate men so much, so they project that onto men and assume that we could do the same thing if we wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:45 PM
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That actually kinda checks out. My working theory is that for a neurodivergent man to have a successful, desirable relationship with a woman, in which they are on equal footing, his partner needs to be much more neurodivergent than him. Or more broadly, when a man has "x" problem, a woman has to have "x" problem like... 10x worse in order to face the same challenges in dating as the man faces. In other words, women have it much easier in dating by default, and need to have much bigger problems t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:15 PM
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When men constantly talk about women baggage I hope yall understand that its because of other men. Yes. I never pretended otherwise. I don't want my future wife to have baggage from other men. Wouldnt you be happy knowing that a women has the experience and the ability to know when something is wrong in a relationship? Wouldn't you be happy that she can "choose better"? Why would she need those skills if she's gonna be spending the rest of her life with me? I'm a good person, so I'd make a good …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:50 PM
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Take a look at my last response to the other commenter. On the whole, men overwhelmingly vote for policies that punish rape more harshly, compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:19 PM
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Nice argument ya got there lol Anyway, here's the receipts: <image> As you can see, every single state that allows sentencing for rape up to the death penalty or life in prison are red states, except Washington. And in the graphic at the bottom, we can clearly see the voting patterns of each gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 05:53 PM
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If women want to torture rapists so bad, why do they keep overwhelmingly voting for policies that punish crime with a slap on the wrist? (Hint: Democratic policies.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 04:59 PM
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Yeah, there's "dick camaraderie" about men's issues (as there should be). But not about excusing rape or beating women. In fact if men had our way, rapists and wife-beaters would be castrated or executed. It's soft, naive, "compassionate" female politics like rehabilitative criminal justice and loose immigration from backwards countries that allow rape and mistreatement of women to go unpunished and become more prevalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:34 PM
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Right? Like no normal guy is casually friends with a bunch of rapists who he could stop by saying "rapist, no raping!". If a guy's a rapist, all his friends and social circle are also rapists, convicts, felons, addicts, degenerates, etc. (and thus aren't gonna listen to you). If he's normal, all his friends are normal (and thus has nobody to confront). There's no overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:28 PM
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I don't think so. I think even the most anti-feminist woman would be understandably weirded out by that. She might even assume that you were checking to make sure she is a feminist, rather than not one, and ghost you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 06:18 PM
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I'm not talking about doing it to a guy you've been on a few dates with. I'm talking about a guy who's been your official BF for a few months.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 06:13 PM
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How do you expect that to go? "Hey, wanna get dinner this Saturday at 6? Oh, but first I have to ask, are you a feminist?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 05:03 PM
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They don't expect it because they have boobs. They expect it because they're gonna cook and clean for you, be loyal, modest, and submissive, and birth and raise your children. And have boobs (and will let you touch them often). Maybe you don't think that's a fair trade, and if so, that's your prerogative. Personally, I do think it's fair. Regardless, I think what we can both agree is definitely not fair is expecting men to pay, but then also expecting men to earn more, and do equal household cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 03:51 PM
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Drop by unannounced at some point early on in the relationship and look at the state of his apartment/house. I say unannounced, because if you give him a warning, he'll clean up before you get there, and it won't be representative of how it normally looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:08 PM
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It's tough because some women who want the man to pay on dates are hypocritical self-serving feminists ("parasites" as you described them), but some of them are genuinely traditional women who are gonna be better partners in every other way compared to women who want modern relationships and are willing to split the bill. I'd gladly pay for the latter type of woman, but I'd only pay for the former over my dead body. But unless you've already known her for a while before going on a date, it's imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:04 PM
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No. Not at all. In fact I'd rather err on the side of low confidence, because the cons of too little confidence are vastly preferable to the cons of too much confidence. I'm definitely more drawn to more "demure" women, as you put it. There's few things I find more repulsive in women than arrogance.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 02:00 PM
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Neither does experience necessarily equal bitterness and baggage and inability to be a good partner… but you assumed it did anyways. I never said that. I just said it's reasonable for men to not want to date women more experienced than them. Bitterness and baggage isn't the only reason why a guy wouldn't want that. Maybe he just doesn't like the idea of his partner getting fucked by other guys. Retroactive jealousy is a very common and perfectly normal thing. But somehow it’s never reasonable fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:13 PM
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Good to know, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:58 PM
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It would be even easier for him to find a 30s girl with the same amount of bitterness and baggage, though. I don't think inexperience necessarily equals bitterness and baggage. Sure it does sometimes. Maybe often, even. But not always. And in any case, I'm just saying it's reasonable for such a guy to want a woman with a similar amount of experience. Not that he can necessarily actually manage to get that. I agree that it would be an uphill battle either way, whether he decided to pursue 20s wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:35 PM
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I didn't say it would be easy for a 30s guy to get with a 20s girl. Just easier than finding a 30s girl who is as inexperienced as him (which is incredibly rare). Especially since there's just more total single women in their 20s than single women in their 30s to begin with (a lot have already paired up at that age). it’s a rationalization for why it’s ok for you to want what you want Just to be clear, this isn't about me. I'm not in my 30s. I'm 24. I'm just saying I don't think it's unreasonabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:06 PM
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If you're a 30-something year old guy, and you're a late bloomer, and you have little to no romantic or sexual experience, and you're (imo, understandably) uncomfortable with the idea of your partner having vastly more romantic/sexual experience than you, then you are more likely to find a partner "on your level" by dating 20-something women than women your own age. This could also apply if you're a late bloomer in other ways, like being behind your peers financially/career-wise, going back to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 03:02 PM
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Nobody is calling <5 unethical or exploitative. I've seen tons of examples of this. I guess we just have a difference in personal experience. Women are simply saying they don't want to date someone 5+ years older than them. Which is their perogative. Yes. But again, that's not what anyone's arguing against.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 04:23 PM
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A place with a younger population, better social infrastructure, and lower cost of living You say that like these things cluster together, but they are actually inversely related. All the places with young populations and good social infrastructure in the U.S. are ridiculously expensive. There's no such thing as a secret, untapped, underpriced city in the U.S. COL is the main reason passport bro-ing is the cheat code that it is. But even then, it's only if you can manage to keep a remote U.S. jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 04:14 PM
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If that's the case, then he would be wrong. Idk tho, cuz I ain't readin allat.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 04:03 PM
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No one's saying they shouldn't be allowed to have their own preferences. It's the moralizing against age gap relationships. Saying they are objectively unethical, exploitative, gross, etc. To be clear, I'm not talking about massive age gaps, just a few years difference. The former does often have a large power imbalance, but some insist that even a gap of just a few years is exploitative, which I think is insane to suggest.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 03:51 PM
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If you're a late bloomer man in his 30s, it's much harder to find a late bloomer woman in her 30s than just... any woman in her 20s. Sure, the late bloomer woman in her 30s is ideal and should be your first choice, but women in their 20s are the 2nd best option and would be closer to being your equal than a woman in her 30s who isn't a late bloomer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 03:44 PM
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I disagree that that constitutes "hatred" and I already gave you my reasons. But it seems we're at an impass, so whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 06:07 PM
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the laziness wrt general interpersonal relationships that he brought up is something that myself and a lot of women notice in men’s romantic relationships with us I don't think these are the same men that are complaining about loneliness. These are the small percentage of very good looking, romantically successful men that all women want. So they don't have a scarcity mindset, and feel that they can afford to be lazy, even in the types of relationships that have the potential to be most fulfilli…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:48 PM
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I think the two go hand-in-hand. Men know that the depth of the bond they are allowed to have in most relationships is so shallow that it's not worth the effort. Maybe if it was more acceptable for us to express a deeper bond in a broader range of relationships, we'd be more motivated to pursue them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:22 PM
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Women don't "manage" social ties better. Women are allowed to have a broader range of close social ties. The only type of relationship in which men are allowed to express a deep emotional bond is a romantic relationship. And even then, there are some restrictions. So when men don't have that, they have nothing. It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of social acceptibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:00 PM
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How is it hatred? I'm very careful to distinguish between good women and bad women. And I absolutely adore good women. I like them better than the best men, even. And I don't even really hate bad women, I just want nothing to do with them romantically. Unfortunately good women are rare. But good men are rare too. Good people are rare. But like I said, I think it's a bit asymmetrical, with there being fewer good women than good men, because of a few issues I listed in another comment that are uni…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:51 PM
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Sure he can, cuz it's objectively factual. If you're a good woman, then it doesn't apply to you, so no need to be upset by it. If you aren't a good woman, then you being upset is the intended result.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:42 PM
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What? Good men are perfectly capable of assessing whether women would make good partners or not. How would that make them not a good man? That makes zero sense. Good women (as rare as they are) are also perfectly capable of recognizing bad men. I wouldn't say a woman isn't a good woman just for saying a particular man isn't a good man. Unless I think her criteria is wrong, such as defining "good men" as only men who have no boundaries and let her walk all over them (which is something I see a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:39 PM
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It doesn't matter why it's less prevalent in men. The fact remains that it is. Sure, a lot of men would be more promiscuous if they could, and those men wouldn't be good men in that situation. However, as long as biological and societal factors prevent that from happening, it doesn't matter. But because women are able to be promiscuous, and because most of them want to get married, it is on them to exercise some self control in order to be desirable for marriage. Yes, obviously there's more femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:34 PM
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Sexual promiscuity is more prevalent among young women than young men, which makes them undesirable for marriage. Young women are also more involved in clubbing, nightlife, and other degenerate lifestyle choices that are incompatible with settling down in a LTR. Young women are adopting style and behavioral choices that deviate from traditional femininity more so than young men are deviating from traditional masculinity. They're deliberately nerfing their attractiveness to the opposite sex. Youn…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:54 PM
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Yes, both good women and good men are in short supply. I'd argue good women are in shorter supply though, particularly with regard to being marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:43 PM
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When a guy screws up, it’s open season. Generalizations fly: “Men are dogs,” A woman commits paternity fraud, lying to a man for years about a kid that’s not his? Suddenly, it’s “maybe she was scared” or “he wasn’t meeting her needs.” Men do the exact same thing. I'm not saying that to justify women doing it. They're absolutely wrong when they do it too. But it's not something unique to women. Everyone makes excuses for the groups they belong to, and judges other groups more strictly for the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 01:43 PM
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Cuz women worth marrying are in short supply recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 01:31 PM
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Careful what you wish for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 05:38 PM
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Ok, fair enough. Cold approaching is not for you. But can you see how that still makes it much easier for women to date than men? Because even though you're choosing not to give men who cold approach you a chance, that is still an option for you. An option that average men just do not have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 08:55 PM
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So by virtue of it being a cold approach alone, he automatically only wants sex, regardless of how he approaches you? Let me put it this way: I'm a man, and I'm not interested in casual sex. In fact I'm morally against it. I'm a virgin and ideally I'd like to wait until marriage. But obviously for me to want a LTR with a woman, I need to find her physically attractive and want to have sex with her (eventually). And I don't love the idea of cold approaching. But if cold approaching was my only op…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 08:34 PM
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How do you know that every single man, or even the majority of men, who have approached you only want to fuck you (as in, not also potentially interested in a LTR)?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 04:44 PM
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Out of all the times you've been approached or hit on, what percentage of them would you say reasonably constitute harassment? And can you give an example of what exactly a man has said or done to you that you think is a representative example of these interactions that you consider harassment? (not necessarily the worst example, but the most typical example)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:36 PM
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So then you accept the premise that an average woman has it profoundly easier than an average man, when it comes to dating, all else being equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:32 PM
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Yes, "normal" or "average" would statistically be fat, but that's not what anyone means when they talk about a normal or average person in this context. Which is why I specified the way I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:47 PM
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My impression is that any non-fat, normal-looking woman gets hit on by strangers a few times per month, on average, assuming she leaves the house almost every day. And in any space where she interacts with the same people regularly (ie school, work, a hobby group, etc.), it'll be clear that multiple men are interested in her and at least one will eventually ask her out. And if she posts herself anywhere online (social media, dating apps, etc.) she will be absolutely flooded with very overt, flir…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:47 AM
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Selection bias. The women who are willing to fulfill traditional gender roles are the ones who get married and have children easily, because they're more desirable to the vast majority of men. Meanwhile, the men who are complaining about a lack of women who are willing to fulfill traditional gender roles are younger, unpartnered men. And they are right, there is a severe lack of young women who are willing to fulfill their gender roles. Meanwhile, the traditional male role of "protector and prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 02:57 PM
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I'm sorry, I don't follow. Can you rephrase that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:10 PM
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No. And most demisexuals would disagree as well. Lol of course they would disagree, because that would make it not special. Women often feel attraction, but then due to many other factors don't act on that attraction. The overwhelming majority of women I've talked to, including on this very sub, will insist, time and time again, that they literally can't say if an image of a man is attractive or not without knowing more about him. In fact this is a very common talking point used as to why women …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:43 PM
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Ok, that's what I thought. Well you just basically described female sexuality. Obviously that's not how every woman works, but the vast majority. Or at least that's what I've been consistently told by women. So demisexual = female sexuality, more or less. And it's not inaccurate to say "women are basically demisexual" like the above commenter did.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:47 PM
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Ok good. We're essentially saying the same thing. My point was just that you were originally (incorrectly) defining "objectification" as "when a man only wants you for sex". When in reality, even if a man also likes everything else about you, he can (and will) still objectify you. The two are not mutually exclusive. And there's nothing wrong with objectification in that scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:38 PM
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Speak for yourself. If 90% of my value as a human being came from tons of other people wanting to have sex with me, I'd be pretty fucking thrilled about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 04:20 PM
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What is the "correct" definition of demisexual, according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 04:17 PM
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Male sexuality is fundamentally objectifying, by its very nature. We are visually aroused by asses and tits (objects). Even if your partner loves you immensely and values everything about you (beyond just sex), whenever he has sex with you, he is objectifying you in that moment. It's impossible for him to get aroused without doing so. I know women struggle to come to terms with this, but it's the truth. And ya'll need to either realize that objectification isn't always inherently bad, and stop t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 04:14 PM
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the emotional impact on sexually liberal women who are open, confident, and doing everything feminism said was valid — but who keep getting passed over for serious commitment. Not shamed. Just… not chosen. This is why these ideologies are so evil and do such a massive disservice to women. Nobody wants to date a whore, not even the most otherwise feminist, progressive men among us. We need to be honest with women about this, so they don't shoot themselves in the foot by making choices that ruin t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 03:14 AM
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Why did you change the example? Yes, food is a necessity, but the original example was car repair, which is not. Is someone at fault if they go to a repair shop for a car repair, and they find out after the fact that there were slaves working there? Yes or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:51 AM
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They're obviously gonna say yes, cuz everyone who says that moronic shit is also a literal, self-identified communist. The venn diagram is a circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 02:14 AM
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It was definitely the latter, because it was definitely still prominent in the media back in 2008 (much farther back than that even). But if you have parents that actually educate you about it properly and give good advice, you can see it for what it is when you encounter it in the media you consume (dramatized to be more entertaining and not normal IRL). The media has gotten worse in that regard since then, but I think the bigger change now is that parents just don't bother to instill good valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:40 PM
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Hollywood and every other form of media convincing women (and men) that it's normal and expected for basically every relationship to start with a ONS or having sex on the 1st or 2nd date has done irreperable damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:12 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:53 PM
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You're missing the point. Men shouldn't date a woman at all if he thinks of her as "Miss Mid" in the first place. But if he thinks of her as a "Stacy", then he's most likely gonna treat her more or less the same as all the other "Stacy"s he's dated before. As he should.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:48 AM
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They wouldn't say they aren't attracted to the men they're dating. But they say things like "I wasn't really interested at first, but he grew on me when I realized how kind he is.", or "I rejected him at first, but he just kept asking me out until I eventually gave in. I admired his persistence." all the time. Which tell me that they are in fact not attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 08:04 PM
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That's perfectly fine. As long as that applies to all men, then no man is gonna feel slighted for being viewed or treated differently compared to other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 06:40 PM
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I don't think men are owed sex. But I think they're owed honesty. If you're not attracted to a guy, you should be honest with yourself and with him about that, so you stop wasting his time and allow him to find someone else who is attracted to him. That's all. Is that really such a big ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 06:37 PM
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Ok, I think I need to clear some things up. When we're talking about "demisexual" in this context, we are not talking about the actual demisexual sexuality that some people are born with, ie women who are genuinely not immediately physically attracted to any men, and who treat all men the same, by making all of them wait to have sex until they develop attraction to them. That's perfectly fine. Nobody is complaining about that. And yes, indeed, they cannot control that. Rather, we're talking abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 06:32 PM
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I could be wrong, but I think that's literally his point. He'd rather women be honest and outright reject him if they aren't attracted to him. Rather than be demisexual with him, while being hypersexual with men they find more physically attractive. In other words, either be hypersexual--only sleep with and date men you find very physically attractive, and don't give men you don't find attractive the time of day at all, sexually or romantically. Or be demisexual--don't have casual sex with any m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 04:47 PM
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No. Insecurity itself can never be harmful. That said, it can be harmful if the actions you take to deal with it are truly unreasonable. But I maintain that the groups I mentioned tend to label any and all attempts to deal with insecurity as unreasonable, when they are in fact perfectly reasonable 90+% of the time. To give some examples: It is reasonable for going to bars and nightclubs without your partner (or even at all) to be off-limits in a committed relationship. It is reasonable for men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 07:19 PM
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Ever since bluepillers, liberals, feminists, and to some extent just women in general started calling men "insecure" for having perfectly normal, functional bounderies in relationships and being unwilling to tolerate literal cuckoldry, I no longer take anyone's argument seriously if they use the word "insecure". I see "insecure", and I immedately disregard everything else you say. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Just an FYI. And insecurity shouldn't even be demonized the way it is in the firs…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 03:51 PM
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When I think of my ideal partner, she would probably be considered traditionally feminine in every way except when it comes to hobbies and interests. I certainly prefer women who are hyper-feminine when it comes to appearance. And also mostly when it comes to personality and gender roles within a relationship, as well. But I think it's extremely important for partners to share at least a few hobbies and interests, and ALL of my hobbies and interests happen to be traditionally masculine, or neutr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:58 PM
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Not only do I not have a problem with such a woman, she's exactly what I'm looking for, and I'd never settle for less. If a woman I was seeing tried to put out too early, I wouldn't believe her if she told me she's never had casual sex before and I'm the only one. And I'd reject her. So waiting is just what I expect from the type of woman I'm interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:02 PM
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Why is the type of woman Jeff Bezos picks your benchmark for what women should strive to be? He may be obscenely rich, but he's an ugly, bald, 5'7, 61 year old man with 2 previous failed marriages and a kid, who's also particularly hated by young women. The only desirable thing about him is his wealth. And beyond a certain point, additional wealth doesn't really even change your lifestyle anymore. So Lauren Sanchez isn't the ideal woman, just the best Bezos could manage. Instead, you should be l…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 04:44 PM
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Women will probably tell you to emulate the former if you want to be a husband, and emulate the latter if you want to be a perpetual bachelor who has lots of casual sex. But I think you should emulate the latter either way, even if you want to be a husband. Or at least err toward the latter. Because it's easier to convince a woman who's sexually attracted to you but hesitant about your markers for long-term reliability, that you're capable of settling down; than it is to convince a woman who thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 04:30 PM
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No. Honest to God, I don't think there's been a single day since I was like 9 years old, in which the thought hasn't at least fleetingly crossed my mind once. I don't jack off every day though, and certainly not every time I think about women or sex. I also probably think about relationships more than sex, lately. And at this point I'm mostly lifting for myself, so that's got nothing to do with it. I already have more muscle than most women are interested in, so at this point it would benefit me…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 03:51 PM
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Yeah I don't either. I just wanted to be extra clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 07:31 PM
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80% of my hard requirements would be settling, yes. But 80% of my "ideal traits", which would include less serious, non-mandatory preferences like hair color or fashion style, in which the 20% that's missing is entirely comprised of preferences and not hard requirements, would not be settling. And in fact I'd be quite thrilled with that. To reiterate, none of my hard requirements can be missing. If they were, that would be settling. But any number of my non-mandatory preferences can be missing. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 06:46 PM
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I only leave my house for work and to go to the gym. And even in the extremely rare occasion I interact with someone who's not my family or the same small group of friends I've had for years, my sexual history (or lack thereof) is definitely not gonna come up in conversation lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 11:25 PM
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Given that she said men becoming more right-wing is a good thing, she is actually probably the only woman on the planet who is actually using the correct definition of misogyny and isn't just using it to mean "not a feminist" lol. You have the right instincts, but you chose like the one time those instincts are probably wrong to comment on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:33 AM
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- Needs to be at least somewhat physically attractive to me, which in practice means somewhat pretty face, not too thin or too fat, long hair, and shorter than me. I also don't like excessive tats or piercings. - Needs to have the same/similar sexual and relationship experience as me. In practice, that means she must be a virgin, because I'm a virgin. - Similar lifestyle. No clubbing, partying, excessive drinking, smoking, or drugs. - Similar values. In practice, she'd need to be right-of-center…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:15 PM
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It's not an extra special exception. Abortion drugs aren't the only thing that can induce abortion. Tons of household products are abortifacients, or can be combined to make abortifacients. I don't think those things should be banned either, people should just be prosecuted if they actually follow through and use them to terminate a pregnancy. And then there's poisons too. Even though arsenic can be used to kill someone, I don't think buying arsenic itself should be banned. You should just be pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 03:53 PM
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Pro-lifers believe the fetus has personhood, and thus a right to life, and it's not a matter of women's autonomy. Pro-choicers believe it doesn't, and therefore restricting abortion is a needless violation of women's autonomy. We will never convince each other, so debating this is pointless. But regardless, abortion is a separate, highly controversial political issue, which you and I agree that feminism requires you to have a particular stance on. Therefore, it's incredibly reductive and decepti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:50 PM
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I disagree that criminalizing abortion violates women's agency, but that's beside the point and not what I'm here to debate. But ok, you think being pro-choice is required in order to be a feminist (and I agree, actually). So feminism is not "just equal rights" then. You have conceded the singular point I've been debating this whole time. Thank you. Debate over.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:44 PM
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No, I am 100% directly addressing her point. She said as long as you believe women have agency and should have equal rights (which I do), then you're a feminist. I illustrated why that's a ridiculous standard for who qualifies as a feminist by pointing out all of my other views that conflict heavily with what feminists often advocate for, in practice. If you agree with me that I'm not a feminist, then you are admitting that feminism entails much more than simply believing women have agency, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:38 PM
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How so? How would you define MRAism?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:42 PM
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All drugs that don't murder other people besides the one consuming them, yes. Edit: To be clear, I don't think buying or selling abortion drugs should be banned. Just using them to terminate a pregnancy. Just like I don't think guns should be banned, but shooting someone (not in self-defense) should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:41 PM
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Yes, that is my view. How is it "quite obviously untrue"? Do you believe MRAs put men's rights above women's rights? I do. And I see feminism and MRAism as simply mirrors of eachother. If you believe you can be a feminist while placing equal importance on men's and women's issues, how do MRAism and egalitarianism fit into the equation?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:07 PM
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Because I'm a libertarian. I'm not an authoritarian. Just because I personally believe something is immoral doesn't mean I believe it should be illegal for anyone to do. I also think drugs are immoral, but politically I support legalizing all drugs. I, like most people, also think infidelity is immoral, but don't want to criminalize it. I base whether I believe something should be legal or not on whether or not it violates the non-aggression principle. But I also have my own moral code, seperate…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 11:54 AM
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But in your opinion the only way someone would be a feminist was if they prioritised one groups inalienable rights over another groups? Yes. Moreover, that is overwhelmingly the rhetoric and behavior that I see from self-described feminists. Or someone who puts their own time an effort towards men’s mental health cannot also be a feminist? They could still be a feminist if they do significantly more for women's advocacy on the whole. Someone who thinks ending child poverty is the most important …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 11:47 AM
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No you cannot. That is a very reductionist definition of feminism, deliberately designed to act as a Motte and Bailey or Trojan Horse tactic. It also removes all meaning from feminism as an identifier because by that definition, nearly everyone would qualify as a feminist, even extremely conservative people who you would likely object to calling feminists. For instance, I am a far-right radical libertarian. I'm pro-life. I don't think traditional gender roles should be forced, but they exist for…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 11:36 AM
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Being a feminist requires that you place a higher priority on advocacy for women's issues (issues that uniquely impact women) than men's issues (issues that uniquely impact men), for one reason or another (could be you think women face more issues in total, or that their issues are more severe, or you're just biased and more sympathetic to women, etc.) The reverse, ie prioritizing advocacy for men's issues over women's, makes you an MRA (Men's Rights Activist). If you place the same importance o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 11:08 AM
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Women are less interested in casual sex than men. So all the men who are having casual sex are sharing the same small subset of women who do casual sex. Meanwhile the vast majority of women are only having sex in committed relationships, in which case you don't really have to worry about STDs and don't have to use condoms, and can instead just rely on BC for contraception.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:52 AM
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Not only do I not care, I'd choose the McDonald's worker over the celebrity. In fact I'd choose no one over the celebrity. I just would never date a celebrity. I don't want my partner getting that much male attention, not to mention all the other problems famous people have to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 04:46 AM
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You're still not getting it. Explaining it to you is clearly a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 10:42 PM
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I literally do have to be involved because it's my hard drive. You're completely failing to understand my point. Are you mentally challenged?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:34 PM
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False equivalence. Random searches, surveillence, etc. are invasive and inconvenient to people who are subjected to them. But a paternity test can literally be done with zero involvement from the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:29 PM
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How is someone supposed to "mature" and "become well-adjusted" without acquiring life experience? And how is someone supposed to aquire life experience (in romance) without dating someone who is at a similar level of experience? Sure, they could date someone their own age who has much more experience than them, but then they are the ones victimized by a power imbalance. I'd argue that there's a bigger power imbalance between 2 people of the same age with vastly different experience, than 2 peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:29 AM
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The fundamental nature of female sexuality is such that women are more "demisexual" than men. Not fully demisexual, but on the demisexual spectrum. Also lower libido, in general, like you said. Also, I think people underestimate the impact of makeup. Makeup allows basically any normal-looking woman who isn't noticeably overweight to be at least somewhat attractive to men. Whereas without it, most of those women probably would be seen neutrally or not noticed by men. And obviously men don't benef…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 12:43 PM
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??? I didn't say anything about suburbanites?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:01 PM
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Chris Brown, Dr. Dre, 50 cent, and Jay-Z aren't mainstream? What the fuck are you smoking?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:00 PM
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Dude, Chris Brown literally beat his wife. Then there's this from Dr. Dre's song titled "Bitches Ain't Shit": Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks Lick on deez nutz and suck the dick Get's the fuck out after you're done Then I hops in my coupe to make a quick run Or But a bitch can't get a dollar out of me... Now shorty, she in the club, she dancin' for dollars She got a thing for that Gucci, that Fendi, that Prada That BCBG, Burberry, Dolce and Gabana She feed them foolish fantasies, they pay…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:02 PM
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That doesn't answer my question. And was Eminem the only rapper who that happened to?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 05:18 PM
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Where did you get that info?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 05:03 PM
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But why was he the first one you thought of? There are thousands of other rappers who've used similarly, in fact, usually far worse misogynistic lyrics, so why out of all of those rappers, did you choose Eminem?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:50 PM
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It's funny that of all the rappers you could've chose to single out, you chose Eminem. It's almost like that's the only one you feel comfortable criticizing for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:37 PM
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Must've been a really small anime con or a huge family court then, cuz the last con I went to had about 25,000 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:10 PM
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Are there typically as many people in those places as there were at the anime con you went to?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:06 PM
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There definitely are people in those hobbies who live up to the stereotype, don't get me wrong. But I don't think most do. And I don't think it's fair for that to be the first thought people have about those hobbies. Also, all events where tons of people are tightly packed into an enclosed area reek. Maybe it's a little worse than usual in those cases due to the stereotype, but it's by no means unique to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:11 PM
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the associated traits like having low social skills or poor hygiene The fact that people associate these traits with nerdy hobbies is, itself, a large part of the "judgement" people are talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:01 PM
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I wasn't doing it as a dig. It was just the first thing I noticed when I clicked on her profile, and it's an issue I see with a lot of women. Young women are overwhelmingly liberal and unwilling to date conservative men, while conservative men are the ones that are more likely to want to settle down. I think that's a big part of why so many women are struggling with men wanting to use them for sex. They're only dating the men who are more likely to do that. And I take offense when those women in…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:51 PM
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You're not really addressing my comment. I think some introspection about the types of men you date would benefit you. But hey, it's your life, you don't have to take my advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:20 PM
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So you got unlucky and had bad male family members. It's still wrong to project that onto all men. And it's still within your power to choose the right men when dating. You have to examine the types of men you're attracted to and consider whether there's a certain quality you select for that makes the men you date more likely to be interested in casual sex/relationships compared to the general population. Looking at your post history, one possibility is political views. Traditional men tend to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:14 PM
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Well the only other men you'd have experience with are your fathers, brothers, and male friends, and do you think so little of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:06 PM
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Maybe the men you date. And maybe that's why you think all men are like that. But maybe you should pick better.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 05:47 PM
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Well I need non-sexual physical affection too. In fact, I need it more than sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:52 PM
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No. I don't really care about the rest, but no "I love you"s and no physical affection are dealbreakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:49 PM
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I think you simply misunderstood my original argument. I never said that women don't respond to any men with immediate visceral lust. I said that it was rare, and only reserved for an extremely small fraction of the top tier hottest men. Which your examples do not disprove (and in fact reinforce it, if anything). And again, I don't think unattractive and unremarkable are meaningfully different. I still don't want my partner to think I'd be unremarkable by default unless I jumped through hoops to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:46 PM
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Why do you assume that the sample of women on this sub are not representative of women as a whole? What exactly is it about this sub that would disproportionately attract women who are more, let's say, "demisexual"? If you can't provide a reason why they'd be unrepresentative, then we have to assume that they're more or less representative. Women go crazy over men all the time, spend like 10 minutes on YouTube or tiktok watching women react to muscular and or attractive guys and look at the comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:07 PM
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Women absolutely do date men they aren't initially physically attracted to, but who "grow on them" due to other factors all the time. In fact, they probably do it more often than they date men who they immediately lusted over. Just because it's extremely rare for women to immediately lust over any men. This is not something I've made up. This is almost word for word exactly what women themselves constantly say on this very sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:10 PM
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Women absolutely do date men they aren't initially physically attracted to, but who "grow on them" due to other factors all the time. In fact, they probably do it more often than they date men who they immediately lusted over. Just because it's extremely rare for women to immediately lust over any men. But women still consider the former "attraction" and don't think it's meaningfully different from the latter. I'm saying that it is, from the perspective of a man. Also to be clear; women are unli…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 03:17 PM
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That's not what we're talking about. I'm not worried about getting used for my money (which like you said, I don't have lol). But I am worried about ending up with a woman who doesn't have raw carnal lust for me, and instead I just "grew on her" because of my personality or some other non-phyiscal/non-visual quality. This is a valid concern and it's reasonable for men to want their partners to be physically attracted to them. And I'm sick of being gaslit about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:01 AM
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I have no experience with the ones you listed, but I've tried a bunch of others. And in my experience, any app besides Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge just simply don't have enough people on them. I'm sure there are some advantages to the models the apps that you listed are using, but it just doesn't matter how good an app is if you run out of people in your area after swiping through like 20-30 people, and then having like 5 new people on your feed each time you log back in before running out again. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:46 PM
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The only time I'm genuinely disgusted by someone to that extent (man or woman) is when they have bad hygiene. I've never felt that way about someone solely because they were physically unattractive. It's purely a hygiene issue, not an appearance issue. Although, the two often go hand in hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:15 AM
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The problem is that it's just not socially acceptable for men or women to be 100% honest about what they want. Men want mommy bangmaids with tiny waists and giant asses and tits, and who shut the fuck up and make them sandwiches, and who are willing to sit on his bare matress on the floor, in his completely unfurnished apartment, and quietly watch him play Ultra Hardcore Gore and Guts Zombie Slayer IV and Anime Harem Waifu Simulator, only interrupting occasionally for unprompted blowjobs, to tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:58 AM
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Would you date a woman who is a strong feminist? - Fuck no. Not into misandrists. Would you date a woman who is a practicing Buddhist? - Yes Would you date a woman who believes it's a woman's job to stay home and raise the kids? - Yes Would you date a woman who is a practicing Muslim? - Maybe, but she'd have to be very... "reformed"? Hijabs are a dealbreaker for me. Would you date a woman who identifies as bisexual? - Maybe. Undecided Would you date a woman with a tattoo sleeve? - No Would you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:28 AM
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Would you date a woman who uses cocaine at least once a month? - No Would you date a woman who doesn't like drinking alcohol? - Yes, that's ideal Would you date a woman who doesn't like doing physical activity? - Sure, I guess. I'm very active, but she doesn't have to be. Would you date a woman who voted for Donald Trump? - Yes Would you date a woman who voted for Kamala Harris? - Fuck no Would you date a woman who openly dislikes religion? - Yes Would you date a woman who has Bipolar Syndrome? …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:28 AM
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Yes, although depending on which race, I might be more or less likely to find her attractive. Yes, as long as she doesn't try to convert me. No Yes Maybe. I'm undecided. Yes, if she was willing to move eventually. No Fuck no Fuck no Fuck yes Sure Yes, that's ideal Fuck no No Yes I'd consider that an alcoholic, so again, no. Yes Most likely not. I don't necessarily have an issue with it in and of itself, but it usually comes with a certain lifestyle that would be a dealbreaker. Yes Probably not. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:28 AM
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Someone fucking a different person every Tuesday isn't hurting anyone. Yes, it is actually. It's bad for society, which harms everyone.
/r/ExRedPill23/05/25 03:10 AM
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I'm not "sex-negative". Sex is a wonderful thing, but only when it's between two people who love each other, in a long-term, committed, monogamous relationship. I'll wear "slut-shaming trash" with pride though.
/r/ExRedPill23/05/25 01:29 AM
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Because women just don't seem to care about body count in men as much as men do in women. They should care though. High body counts in both men and women is disgusting and immoral, and makes one more likely to cheat, and less suitable for committed relationships.
/r/ExRedPill22/05/25 11:39 PM
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it’s illogical to take the position that far more young women are counting situationships as relationships compared to young men, when young women want relationships less than young men do Why? I think you're operating on the assumption that women having a broader definition of relationships implies that they want relationships more. But that's not necessarily the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:44 PM
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I still don't see the contradiction. Just to clarify: You're saying that the 2020 Pew study shows that more young women don't want relationships than young men? And the 2022 study shows that more young women are in relationships than young men? Why can't both of those be simultaneously true? Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it's entirely possible that more young women are in relationships than young men, but of the remaining young men and women that are single, the single women have less d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:25 PM
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The ‘less women want a relationship’ study was done by Pew in 2020, and the young men/women relationship gap was done by Pew in 2022 I don't see how that contradicts what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:04 PM
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Maybe young women don't want relationships because the situationships they experienced, which they considered "relationships", soured their view on relationships. I can definitely see how some college girl would report that she's "so done with relationships!" if she happened to be surveyed immediately after getting pumped and dumped for the 5th time that year. I guarantee that's what happened with a sizeable chunk of the women getting surveyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:51 PM
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Even if most women are dating men just 1-2 years older than them, that might be enough to shift the statistics in the way you suggest they are shifted. If the study you're citing surveyed people 18-29, that means 29 year old women are dating 30-31 year old men, who are cut off and not included in the study. Then 28 year old women are dating 29-30 year old men, 27 dating 28-29, and so on down the line. Until you get to 18 year old women who are dating 19-20 year old men. Meanwhile, at the tail en…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:46 PM
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feminism would be more popular if it admitted that there's also a lot of gender discrimination against men and had a stated goal of fighting all gender discrimination Then it wouldn't be feminism, by definition. It'd be egalitarianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:41 AM
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Yeah, that is the "fuck you". The message behind the donations is something like "Oh, so black people wanna donate to an anti-white racist murderer? Well then I'm gonna donate to this white lady I saw on the news who called a black person a slur. Take that!" It's really not any more complicated than that. Which... stabbing someone is definitely way worse than saying a slur, but it's still stupid and petty to spend your own money to make a totally unrelated racist chick rich. If you really wanna …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:53 PM
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With that said, when you single out feminism for this specifically, without even giving a concrete account of when we should take a feminist claim seriously, it reads like the "call to wisdom" here is cynically used as a tool to stage an assault on a concept you don't like. We should never take any feminist, nor MRA claims seriously, because they are both fundamentally biased, identitarian ideologies. They should both be taken exactly as seriously as white supremacy. Only egalitarian claims shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:46 PM
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Both of those statements are true though. Everyone of both genders and all races should be more cautious around men than women. Especially black men. You should also be more cautious around white men than asian men. These are statistical facts. I just wish women would simply admit that instead of floundering every time it's brought up and trying to justify why broad prejudice toward all men is ok, but not prejudice toward any particular race of men. No matter how you slice it, they're exactly th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:32 PM
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She posted "My family is in danger" to her GoFundMe and people donated a million dollars because her family is absolutely in danger. That's not why. It's because it happened shortly after the potentially racially-motivated Karmelo Anthony stabbing case, and the GoFundMe for his legal fees. People are donating to Shiloh Hendricks as a retaliatory "fuck you" to (presumably) black people who are supporting an anti-white racist murderer.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:22 PM
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It shouldn't be. Both male and female sluts should be shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:33 AM
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this has to be the person I marry or I'll walk out on the first date I agree, that's an extreme way of looking at things. But thankfully that's a strawman and nobody actually thinks like that. Saving yourself an hour of your time by walking out on a date isn't worth the awkwardness and making the other person feel bad. But would I turn down a 2nd date with a woman if it was clear to me that I would never marry her? Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:32 PM
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Willingness to have casual sex/relationships makes you not marriage material to most people who are looking for marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:21 PM
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Sure, that's adorable, if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:47 PM
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Are you willing to risk your life to save that 10% of extra good? Your life is still getting worse, but not enough so that you are willing to die for it voluntarily. In this case, they deserve for their lives to get 10% worse because they're unwilling to die for their country, but willing to enslave others and force them to do it for them. Humans have been having trouble raising troops even defending against wars of extermination. In cases like these, it's due to a huge population gap, and thus …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 10:11 AM
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I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. If you are living in x country and there is no conscription, while your neighboring country y has conscription, there's two possibilities: You get enough volunteers to defend your country x from country y. You don't, and get taken over by country y. If 1, great! You live in a good country that people are willing to defend, and you prevailed against a shit country. If 2, well your country was evidently equally as shit as country y. As evidenced by its…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 03:29 AM
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If you are a person living in a country and your country is so shit that you wouldn't be willing to defend it voluntarily, does it make a difference to you if another shit country takes it over and now you live under "Purplestan" instead of "Orangestan"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 03:17 AM
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If your country doesn't inspire enough nationalism to result in a sufficient amount of volunteer soldiers for self-defense, then your country is doing something very wrong, and doesn't deserve to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 03:07 AM
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inclusion of women in the draft, particular in combat... Or getting rid of the draft all together, take your pick Abolishing the draft is the ONLY correct answer. They are not equally valid answers. Two wrongs don't make a right. Period. Enslaving both men and women may be equal, but it's not just. And failure to see that is precisely the problem with holding equality as a higher value than justice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 03:46 AM
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Yeah, maybe, but some good that's done me lol. You're probably right that I'd be more successful IRL, but my problem is that I didn't network enough in college (tho to be fair to myself, covid fucked me over there), so I only still have my small friend group which doesn't include any women I'm attracted to and compatible with, and they don't have any friends outside the group I could branch out to. I also moved away from where I went to college, and I now work remotely in an industry that's very…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 11:39 PM
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I'd date a woman who still lived with her parents and was maybe a bit disorganized. But not if her living space was genuinely gross and smelled, like you described.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:40 PM
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I've only done it twice in my life. Once in middle school, and once in early high school. First one was in person, and I got rejected. Second was online, and she ended up being my first and only GF, but success was pretty much guaranteed cuz she had already made it very obvious she liked me. She ended up cheating on me tho, and we broke up after about 3 months. Never met in person. Never asked another girl out since, and I'm 24. That's including dating apps, because I've never gotten that far. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:17 PM
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Yep. I don't think it's a massive conspiracy to disadvantage boys in education or anything. Female teachers just naturally teach the way they would want to be taught, and since the vast majority of teachers are female, education overall is more geared toward girls/women. By the same token, if there were more male teachers, they'd naturally teach in a way they'd want to be taught.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:56 PM
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It's hard to say, cuz I don't have a background in education. But I think if we had more male teachers and they were given more freedom to teach how they saw fit, ie, less standardized, then the problem would solve itself. Now, how do we get more male teachers? Is it a result of discrimination, or a natural result of men being less interested in teaching? Or are men less interested in teaching because the education system is less designed for men. and it continues to be less designed for men bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:44 PM
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I think everyone likes and has humor, we just all have our own definitions of it. People who are regarded as having "no sense of humor" just have a very unconventional sense of humor, or a limited scope of things they find funny. So even women who are like that would still probably be into men who cater to their specific type of humor. Someone who only laughs at very obscure, high-brow, intellectual humor would be seen as having no humor by most people, but theyd be a perfect match for someone w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 05:18 PM
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The point I was making was that the average woman couldn't possibly harm the average man with her bare hands. Obviously, that woman could've killed you if she used a gun, or a knife, or hit you with her car, but none of those things have been around long enough for our evolutionary instincts to have updated with them in mind. Our instincts are still operating as if we still lived in the era before we developed tools, when it really was the case that women were completely and utterly harmless to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:18 AM
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Women have to temper their attraction to men with an underlying fear of men because we are the bigger, stronger sex. Men do not have this fear of women at all. Even if it's not entirely true, now that we have things like guns and knives, at a base, instinctual level, men go through our whole lives beliving women couldn't possibly physically harm us if they wanted to. So any and all attention is welcome. And if it ever goes far enough to make us uncomfortable (which it probably won't), we can shu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:34 AM
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Sure, why not? As long as she also likes me as a person, idgaf.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:27 AM
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The rich are only getting richer and the average person is getting poorer and less able to support a family on their salary. Stop perpetuating this myth that wealth has anything whatsoever to do with ability to have children. It's literally inversely correlated. It's the poorest people who have the most children. That promotion that's always looming around the corner is not gonna be what makes or breaks your ability to have children. It's a mindset issue and a lack of willingness to make the lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:24 PM
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Because dating apps can't afford to do anything that could possibly upset women or deter them from using the app. Even when dating apps specifically cater to women, the gender ratio is still like 10:1 men to women. Which obviously harms the app, cuz if the men realize there aren't enough women, they'll stop using it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 07:43 PM
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Twice a week is already not a lot, and on top of that, that's an average that's gonna be influenced by lots of cases where couples have more or less sex than that. Women rarely settle down with men above their league because they just aren't willing to put the amount of effort into dating that's required for that. Hell, a lot of women won't even put in the effort required to get a guy in her league. Most women will go their entire lives without ever approaching a single man, because she expects …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 10:52 AM
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Some men can get women out of their league at the cost of being in a loveless, sexless marriage. That's not a desirable situation to be in. And they still have to work very hard for it. Harder than an equivalent woman would have to work in order to get a man above her league. I don't see how any of that contradicts my earlier statements that men have it harder in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:26 AM
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The overwhelming majority of couples in this world are matched in looks, verified in studies. Can you link to those studies? I'm not sure I believe that. Based on what I've observed, I think in most couples the woman is actually slightly out of the guy's league, but it's because the woman settled in order to get married and have kids, and as a result, the relationship has a dead bedroom and is otherwise about as happy as you would expect. But anyway, how do I think most men can get women either …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:14 AM
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Yes, women can obviously struggle with dating too. But all else being equal, the male counterpart of the same person will struggle with dating more than the identical female counterpart. In other words, for a woman to struggle as much as a man in dating, she has to be more unattractive than that man. A 5/10 man struggles as much as a 3/10 woman. A 25 BMI man struggles as much as a 30 BMI woman. And this applies to other qualities too. A woman has to have a worse personality in order to struggle …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 02:40 AM
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Well she is definitely more conventionally attractive than the average politician. Almost automatically by mere virtue of being one of only a few that are under like 50. So that's bound to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 06:27 PM
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I think to the degree that AOC in particular receives any extra attention from conservatives is because she's outspoken and charismatic enough to be a household name coupled with her policies/views being more radical compared to other democratic politicians, and therefore more hateable from a conservative perspective. And honestly I think the "obsession" is overstated anyway. I think I saw a meme about her about a week ago, so I thought about her for a few seconds then, and then didn't think abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 06:18 PM
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Fine. Have it your way. National Organization for Women: "NOW and partners from leading activist organizations will come together for a deep dive on how the draconian policies and procedures of the U.S. immigration system are doing harm to asylum seekers [...] and immigrants and their families, and how we can urge our leaders to take concrete actions such as the American Dream and Promise Act, Farm Workforce Modernization Act and the SECURE Act " "What are the biggest struggles facing undocument…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 07:36 PM
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Where are you getting that from? I'm getting it from observing the world around me for the past 20 or so years. LIke come on, don't play dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 06:53 PM
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Maybe not a central goal, but let's not pretend like virtually all self-identified feminists aren't also pro-immigration.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 06:42 PM
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Not necessarily. I'll copy and paste this from my other comment: "A 2024 study by Lund University found that nearly two thirds of convicted rapists in Sweden since 2000 were first or second generation immigrants" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/01/18/nearly-two-thirds-convicted-rapists-sweden-migrants/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 05:11 PM
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"In 2018, Swedish Television investigative journalism show Uppdrag Granskning analysed the total of 843 district court cases from the five preceding years and found that 58% of all convicted of rape had a foreign background and 40% were born in the Middle East and Africa" "When only analysing rape assault cases, that is cases where perpetrator and victim were not previously acquainted, 97 out of 129 were born outside Europe." https://web.archive.org/web/20180822190937/https://www.svt.se/nyheter/…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 05:06 PM
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I don't know that immigrants in America commit rape at a disproportionate rate. Probably not, because the lion's share of our immigrants come from Mexico, which is not a particularly regressive country in that regard. However, the commenter above me mentioned the U.K. The problem is worse in Europe in general, because a larger portion of their immigrants come from more regressive Middle Eastern and African countries. The total amount of rape has skyrocketed in the U.K. in recent years: https://w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 05:06 PM
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I'd argue that the political party that's importing gang rapists is automatically much more anti-women than any other party no matter how foul their rhetoric toward women is. Not to excuse the latter, but the former actually materially impacts women much more. If one party wanted to castrate all men, while the other party didn't, but they spewed the most vitriolic misandristic FDS talking points imaginable, I'm still voting for the party that doesn't want to castrate me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 03:27 PM
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No they aren't. One directly impacts the other. If you allow immigration from regressive countries, and thus give them the ability to vote on national policies in your country, that threatens women's rights in your country. If promoting immigration is more important to you than women's rights, then that's fine, but then you can't also claim to be a feminist, and you have no leg to stand on when arguing against other people who also want to restrict women's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 03:24 PM
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"You savages don't know what's good for you, but me, the white Western woman, does." This is unironically true though. A "society" (if you can even call it that) that practices female genital mutilation, for example, is a savage society. I don't give a fuck if the women who live there are ok with it. They're wrong. Period. Also, it is much easier and practical for people to focus on the places they live, where the laws and social culture will affect them. This part is fair. But it doesn't mean w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 07:43 AM
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Feminists in the west are allies of feminists in developing countries, but they have less power abroad than they do in their own countries. Fair enough. Logic checks out there. But then how do you justify importing people, especially men, from these regressive societies to our own countries, via immigration, and giving them that same political power here? Assuming you do support those immigration policies. But maybe you don't, so correct me if I'm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 07:37 AM
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But that's the rule for everyone. No, not really. No guy has ever gotten upset if a random woman told him he has a hot face. That's just you guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 10:18 PM
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If you're talking about building a life with someone, settling down for 50+ years, he's bound to find out eventually. Do you really think you're a good enough liar to keep all the lies straight for that long?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 05:19 AM
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I disagree. A one size fits all strategy is the ONLY way this can work. I don't disagree with anything you stated in the OP. It's a valid strategy that can work. But it all comes crashing down when he finds out that he's being treated unfairly compared to how you've treated other men in the past. That's assuming the guy has any self-respect. But if he doesn't then he's by definition not "Mr Boyfriend Material", because self-respect is closely linked to projected confidence, which is a vital elem…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:21 PM
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You should make ALL men wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:05 PM
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GF/wife material women are women who I find both physically attractive and compatible with me for a relationship (likeable personality, similar hobbies/interests, sexual history, values/political views, goals, etc.). I don't make a distinction between GF and wife material, because I would never date someone that I couldn't see myself eventually marrying to begin with. And if I discovered something about a woman I was dating that made me not want to marry her, I'd just break up with her instead o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 05:33 PM
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were more involved parents Men are expected to be the primary breadwinner, which means we'll spend more time at work and less time at home, which means we can't be as involved of a parent as women. married someone of their own socioeconomic status Most women demand men at least slightly above their socioeconomic status, which means men have to date down socioeconomically. visited doctors more often This one I'll admit is partially self-inflicted by how we are socialized, but it's also partially …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 05:44 PM
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Fitness is super important for myself, because I LOVE weightlifting and my physique is super important to me. It's about wanting to look a certain way for myself. But I don't care about it at all for a potential partner. I do tend to prefer curvier body types, but I don't care whether she's like that naturally or made it in the gym. All I care about is the result. That said, I suppose it would be nice if my partner also liked weightlifting just in the sense of having a shared hobby/something we …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 02:43 PM
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Nah, I believe in the golden rule and I demand absolute 100% unwavering loyalty in my partner, to a degree some people would even consider unreasonable, so it's only fair that I hold myself to the same standard. I agree with ya'll on some stuff, but this is the type of shit where red-pillers completely lose the plot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:38 PM
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Right? Watch out for women who don’t have ONE female friend. Lol yeah, we know. That's literally what us men have been saying all along, but women tear us a new asshole anytime we say we don't wanna date a woman with a bunch of male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 02:08 PM
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I'd bet it's because a majority of young men want more traditional relationships while a majority of young women don't. And older women are more traditional than young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 03:03 AM
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That's the thing tho. I think I'm a pretty good-looking guy. Certainly very physically fit. So probably the type of guy at least some of them are looking for. But the "sexing themselves up" turns me the fuck off cuz I'm looking for a LTR with a girl who's not a whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:55 PM
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She don't even gotta be cute tho lol. Just normal. I swear to god on dating apps, it's either Bimbo Clone #9783 or Gorlock the Destroyer. No in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 04:22 PM
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Part of why I hate dating apps is because the women are too conventionally attractive. Every single profile is the same cookie-cutter bimbo with bikini pics/her ass hanging out, who likes "travelling, wine, and dogs". I wanna see modest, normal-looking, nerdy girls who share my interests. But the apps' algorithms are rigged to nuke their profile visibility and never show them to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 04:10 PM
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It's incredibly hard to find women who don't dress that way. Especially since the women who don't dress that way also tend to not put themselves out there, so it's impossible to meet them. Saying that is about as tone deaf as saying "go find another house if you can't afford it" when all the other houses are just as expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 06:26 PM
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I would tend to agree, but the problem is that if nobody changes their views, A LOT of people are gonna remain single. There is a large gender gap in political views, particularly in Gen Z. There simply are not enough liberal men and conservative women to go around. Someone's gotta budge, and this question was about how women could improve their dating prospects, so I told you how they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:20 PM
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Yeah, I'd second being a good cook and staying in shape. To elaborate on that latter one, specifically not being fat, and also I think a lot of women could benefit from heavy weightlifting, particularly with a lower-body focused routine. I'd also add sexual modesty, keeping piercings and tattoos to a minimum, growing your hair long, styling it in a way that's flattering, and keeping it a natural color, adopting hobbies that are popular with men (like video games, anime, TTRPGs, cars, sports, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:03 PM
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I doubt it. Either you have a really low standard for "muscular" or a really low standard for "smooth hands".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 06:05 PM
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feminine smooth hands, muscly These two are mutually exclusive. You don't get muscular without lifting weights, which will give you rough, calloused hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:45 PM
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Sure, as long as she met all of my standards otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:27 AM
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That's only because MRA is a reaction to feminism. They are reacting to the rampant misandry within feminism. Sure, ideally they'd be the bigger person and not stoop to the level of feminists, but can you really blame them for returning the energy they receive?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:37 PM
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"Deadbeat mother" is too kind. They're murderers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 07:45 PM
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That's very vague. Are you in a relationship currently? If so, for how long? How many relationships have you been in? How long did the longest one last?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 12:57 AM
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Don't dodge the question. Why did those relationships end?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 11:10 PM
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And what happened to those relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 10:59 PM
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Looking at this from a purely self-interested perspective, the danger with option 1 is that if your partner never voiced her unhappiness, she'd build resentment over time and it would surely manifest in a way that negatively impacted you eventually (such as no sex/affection, cheating, etc.). Maybe you could counteract that if you were really perceptive and responsible enough to be a good steward of the power you held in the relationship, making compromises voluntarily even when it's not asked fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:12 PM
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it's normal, but it needs to be exclusively channelled into monogamous relationships, after two people developed a deeper bond on other levels This is pretty much exactly my view. I'd also add that mutual lust is absolutely necessary for a healthy relationship. And that the deeper bond doesn't necessarily have to come before lust, it just needs to come before acting on said lust. I'm not sure how much of that is possible or expected for casual sex, especially things like one night stands with re…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:51 PM
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If a woman makes less money than her partner, that doesn't automatically make her a gold digger. If that was the case, the vast majority of women in relationships would all be gold diggers. Sure, if you as a man make a lot of money and choose to date women who make significantly less than you, you run a higher risk of winding up with a gold digger, but it's not a guarantee. Being with a woman who makes significantly less than you is perfectly fine as long as she isn't with you solely for your mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:34 PM
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Everyone objectifies everyone, and it's not always a bad thing. Objectification is only a problem when you objectify your partner in a way they don't want to be objectified. Yes, most men are insulted when they're told they're "husband material" because they spend a lot of money on their partner, unlike her "asshole exes" (read: he got access to her body for free, but you have to pay a premium). But no man has ever been offended over being sexually objectified. No man would be insulted if his pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:29 PM
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Yeah, monogamy = slavery. Totally dude lol 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 07:12 PM
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If "security" means literally letting your wife fuck other people, then I don't wanna be secure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:38 PM
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Dude you are not helping your side of the argument by admitting that you are literally in an open relationship lmaoooo. Thanks for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:50 PM
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So, if he realizes he used to do stupid stuff to try to get women [...] then he is now obligated to do those same things for any future girlfriend Honestly? Yeah. Which is why he never should've done that stupid shit in the first place. But he made his bed, so now he's gotta lie in it. I truly don’t get this idea that you should expect your partner, whom you claim to care about, to humiliate and submit themselves to something they learned aré stupid and sucky, No. I expect my partner to have nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:30 AM
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aren’t they also saying they would date a woman like this who they don’t otherwise like and treat her crappy, as long as she meets the bare minimum? I mean, I guess? It depends on the guy and his standards. For each guy, there's bare minimum traits required for him to date a woman, and then beyond that the more attractive, kind, smart, etc. she is, the more he'd like her and the better he'd treat her. Is it not the same for women? I just don't understand what you're getting at here. And how do m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 10:21 PM
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A commonly stated theme among men, at least on this corner of the Internet is that they only care that she’s nice and not fat, and really don’t think much of her beyond that. I don't think what they're saying is that that's all the care about. Rather, I think they're trying to highlight just how easy it is for women to be dateable and are expressing frustration at the number of women who can't even manage to pull off being nice and not fat. Being nice and not fat is the bare minimum, but it take…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:51 PM
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This just seems to make men seem even more irrational Yes. Humans are irrational. I literally said this in my comment. I want a man who doesn't think like that Well good luck with that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:09 PM
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You're just flat out wrong about the loyalty part, but I'll grant you the other two, and here's my explanation for that: We do care about being our partner's favorite in every way, including more emotional and romance related stuff, but I think we are particularly honed in on the sex related stuff because us men tend to tie up a disproportionate amount of our self-worth in sexual adequacy. It's not that we don't care about the other stuff and that all we care about is sex, it's just that we don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:04 PM
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And if it bothers someone that much that they're not their SO's "favorite," then just leave! Well yeah, duh. But I think this misses the point of why we are discussing this topic. The point is, the vast majority of men absolutely do care deeply about being their partner's favorite in every way, whether that's logical or not. Nothing is ever going to change that. It is our fundamental nature. And if we are not our partner's favorite, we will find out sooner or later, and when we do, the relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:05 PM
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I feel like I already explained myself pretty well. What don't you get?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:11 AM
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As a short guy, I'd rather women be honest about their preference and firmly stick to it. I don't wanna be settled for and have to wonder if my partner would've liked me more if I was taller. If all women who prefer taller guys just didn't give me the time of day, then on the off chance I ever found a woman who liked me, I could rest assured she truly doesn't care about my height at all. It's not "foolish" for you to turn down us "short kings" (god I fucking hate that term). It's the kindest thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:22 AM
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Depending on the specific color, I don't necessarily mind unnaturally colored hair. However, the stereotype of women with unnaturally colored hair being far left in most cases, or at least left-leaning (which would make us incompatible), as well as obnoxious in other ways, absolutely holds up in my personal experience. And even if I met a woman who had an unnatural hair color that looked good, and the stereotypes didn't apply to her... I'm not gonna lie, I still just like natural colors better. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 07:37 PM
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Yes, of course. Don't go looking for fights. It should be your absolute last resort, but sometimes it really is necessary, and in those cases you should be willing to fight for your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:19 AM
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Yes, exactly. It's perfectly fine to not be willing to fight for a stranger, but it does mean you don't care about them (which again, isn't necessarily wrong). But you should care about your partner, so if you wouldn't fight for her, thats a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:00 AM
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I wouldn't say he's "not a real man". I hate this tactic of gatekeeping a man's manhood if he doesn't behave the way you want him to, in general. If you have XY chromosomes, you're a real man. Period. But if a man isn't willing to physically fight for a woman, if necessary, then he's either a coward or doesn't really care about her. I think that's fair to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 04:50 AM
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Huh? Ok, lemme get this straight. You think having sex for money is more morally justified than having sex just because you want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:01 PM
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I agree, they suck. But how are they worse than the woman? You still haven't answered that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:53 PM
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How are the men involved more disgusting? Rather than equally disgusting? I can't think of any possible rationale for why the men involved would be more disgusting other than them somehow having more agency than her, and if so, that does indeed suggest that you think she's a victim to some extent. If anything, she's more disgusting because she's had casual sex 100+ times whereas each of the guys only did it once.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:56 PM
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Ok? I don't know what point you're trying to prove. There is no difference to me or for the purposes of this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 04:02 AM
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All I can say is that my personal experience is the complete opposite of yours, and based on what I've seen, the stereotype of liberal women being more likely to make alternative style choices is absolutely true. I don't know how you're distinguishing between "radical liberal" and "regular democratic voter", but every woman I've known who had blue hair, or shaved her eyebrows off, or whatever else, was a democratic voter. Meanwhile, every conservative woman I've known has looked completely norma…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 01:38 AM
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Conservative women skew older, and obesity is more prevalent in red states. So conservative women are more likely to be old and fat. However, if we isolate variables and just compare young, thin conservative women and young, thin liberal women, I'd wager the conservatives are more attractive on average, because liberal women are more likely to self-sabotage their appearances with shaved heads, septum piercings, hairy legs and pits, and other "alternative" style choices. Physical appearance aside…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 01:04 AM
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People like you suggesting that the only reason young men could possibly not support Harris is because they're racist and sexist is exactly why young men are shifting right. As someone who's always been right-wing, unironically thank you. Please keep it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:03 PM
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Right, but a lot of times those types of men make themselves too available to those women Sure, that happens too. Sometimes the man is being a simp and only has himself to blame. Sometimes he's just reacting appropriately to the false romantic interest the woman is deliberately giving him. Sometimes it's both. Casual sex is degenerate, and both men and women who partake in it absolutely should be slut-shamed. How on earth is any part of that "misogynistic"? I apply the exact same standard to men…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 04:14 AM
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The friendzone does not exist. It is a construct made up by men who did nice things for a lady, but sex and/or a relationship weren't the outcome. Some men act entitled to a romantic or sexual relationship with a woman just for being nice and doing things you'd typically expect from a friend, yes. Some women deliberately lead male friends on and take advantage of their unrequited feelings because they enjoy being showered with attention, gifts, and other things beyond what you'd typically expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:14 AM
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Yeah, true that. The woman described in OP isn't like most women. She's way better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:23 PM
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Honestly, yeah. I won't lie and say it's pefect, but I'll gladly take it. The only thing that would concern me is the porn addiction, depending on what specifically she was into and how it might impact her expectations. This is assuming that at least some shared hobbies/interests (something you didn't specifically mention) are included. But it sounds like that would be covered by this: and whatever YOU would classify as an 8 out of 10 But if not, then lack of shared hobbies/interests would be a …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:22 PM
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Because women naturally have a huge advantage in dating by default (for obvious reasons), and it gives men more leverage in dating when most women desperately want to get married, while most men don't, thus leveling the playing field. This was the case for basically all of human history up until now, and look how things are going.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 12:58 AM
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Dating apps could be an extremely positive thing, actually. And they kinda were before Match Group bought all of them. But now Match Group owns ALL of the major dating apps, and it manipulates the algorithms to prevent people from pairing up and leaving the apps, and to incentivize men to buy "premium" features (which still don't lead to any success).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 07:56 PM
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Well I guess that reinforces just how delusional women's standards are, because I've seen guys even better looking than him that are STILL invisible to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:16 AM
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<image> This is what I would consider an average man who would be invisible to women by default. Maybe if a woman knew him closely she could develop attraction to him over time based on non-physical qualities, but he does not instantly inspire raw lust in most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:23 PM
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Ok and?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:09 PM
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As a woman, what you consider to be a "normal-looking male" is probably the top 1-10%. We are almost certainly not talking about the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:08 PM
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As a woman, what you consider to be a "normal-looking male" is probably the top 1-10%. We are almost certainly not talking about the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:26 PM
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Invisible women definitely exist, but they have to be significantly less physically attractive than their male counterparts. Most perfectly average, thin, normal looking 5/10 guys are invisible by default. But for a woman to be invisible, she has to be obese or have a particularly ugly face, basically a 3/10 or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 06:31 PM
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Never. I have a decent sized friend group (10 other ppl, 8 of whom are women, 3 of whom are single), but we are all introverts so the friend group is pretty insular and none of us really have any other friends outside of it. I'm also incompatible with all of the single women within my friend group for one reason or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 08:54 PM
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It's not a matter of objectively "good" or "bad" advice. Women give men dating advice that results in men getting what women think men should want. But that's not necessarily what men actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:59 AM
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Nah, I think it's a much simpler explanation. You only hear women praise dad bods on reddit, and the vast majority of female redditors are morbidly obese. So even guys with dad bads are still out of their league. By the way I'm not just picking on women. Most male redditors are digusting tubs of lard too. People forget just how repulsive redditors are, but you need to keep that in mind when redditors talk about their dating preferences because it really skews everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:58 AM
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>men who seek or have casual sex are bad people You're absolutely right. It's immoral for both men and women to have casual sex. Just ignore the men who get mad at that, they're outing themselves as hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 03:25 AM
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>ut if you’re leaving your things where they lie, leaving clothes on the floor, not cleaning up after cooking, wearing muddy boots in the house, brushing the dog in the living room, leaving plates and tissues at your gaming table - you’re being disrespectful. It isn’t up to her to clean up after you Nobody said anything about any of this. >Sure it’s up to her if she wants the baseboards wipes and the knick knacks dusted daily. That's all I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 11:22 PM
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Maybe I was exaggerating a little, but you get my point. That's just how men are. We don't mind things a little messy. Women's standards of cleanliness is much higher. What's acceptable to us is often "filth" to you. Which, it's totally fine if that's the case, but then it's your responsibility to make it as clean as you want and you shouldn't complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 10:31 PM
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Yeah, it's a huge distinction. Another great example is standards of cleanliness. Women often complain about having to do most of the cleaning, but they choose to do it on their own. We never asked for it. Most of us men would be perfectly content cleaning the house once a month if it were up to us. A lot of the extra labor women do in relationships is entirely self-imposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:17 PM
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Yep, this. It's just like the job market. At any given time, the vast majority of available jobs are at workplaces with a high turnover rate, so there are always spots opening up, ie, a shit workplace. Same principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 12:09 AM
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Maybe the senator who authored it approved of the bill in whatever state it was in at first, but disapproved after some amendments were added later. I can't say for sure because I can't find enough info on it, but that sounds like the only reasonable explanation. How could it possible be a political play for Trump tho? How would it benefit him for a member of his party to author a border bill and then not let it pass?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 11:42 PM
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So? All that means is the Republicans involved were willing to make concessions most others would not (concessions they def shouldnt have made btw).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 07:10 PM
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This is the 4th time a different person has posted the exact same argument. Im done responding to it. Go read my other comments and respond to one of those. And as for allowing a rape victim to murder her rapist, yes, I absolutely would. Id encourage it in fact. If i was on the jury, I'd look the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 06:47 PM
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Yeah, true. Good point. This is prob why passport bro movements make them seethe so much too. They rely on cornering the market and forcing men to settle for them, but it all falls apart if you expand the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 06:41 PM
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Because it was stuffed with other irrelevent shit that they know Republicans ideologically oppose. They knew it wouldn't pass. It was a deliberate political stunt so they could claim "See, Republicans voted against our border bill. Oh well, we tried." exactly like you're doing now. This is such a tired argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 06:39 PM
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They might not claim to, but they do support open borders implicitly by opposing efforts to sufficiently prevent illegal immigration. This is not an issue I care enough about to influence whether or not I'd date someone, by the way. I'm just sayin.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:43 PM
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Then I guess I have different values from the vast majority of women ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:41 PM
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Good thing we have laws to force would-be murderers not to murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:39 PM
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I care.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:35 PM
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Again, treating a broken arm does not result in murdering someone else. Abortion does. Especially when there's another perfectly viable option that doesn't involve murder (adoption). >Fetuses are not alive They absolutely, objectively are. Fetuses satisfy the scientific definition of life. https://lozierinstitute.org/a-scientific-view-of-when-life-begins/ >The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:34 PM
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No. It's about not allowing murder. There's a profound difference between murdering someone, and someone dying without you being responsible for it. If you consent to sex, and a baby is concieved, you are responsible for that life, and terminating it is murder. If you're raped, you're not responsible for that life, so whatever happens to it is not on you. Granted, I still think carrying it to term and putting it up for adoption is the right thing to do, but it would be wrong to force someone to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:24 PM
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If that were the case, you would be a pro-lifer, advocating for improvements to the current bans to better enshrine the necessary exceptions, just like me, rather than advocating those bans be outright removed. So yes, you do just want to murder babies. Or at least have the ability to do so. There is ultimately no other reason to advocate for repealing those bans.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:19 PM
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Your ideology is fundamentally and pathologically anti-life. To any reasonable person, murder is worse than anything else you could do to someone. If someone decides they would rather lose their life than suffer abuse, that's their prerogative, but you definitely don't have the right to make that decision for them. I condemn many of the current laws for not carving out adequate exceptions for rape and maternal mortality. But again, that's all beside the point, because even if the laws were perfe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:16 PM
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Well I condemn those specific laws. I believe abortion bans should do a better job of offering adequate protections for miscarriage care in cases involving maternal/fetal mortality risk. But of course, even if those laws were improved, that wouldn't be enough for you because you just want to have the ability to murder babies and only bring that up in bad faith. Did you know since Roe versus Wade was overturned the maternal mortality rate is up 56% on average? That's simply objectively false. I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:11 PM
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People absolutely would point out that you breaking your arm was, in part, a result of you failing to take every precaution available to you. And no, we wouldn't deny medical care, but treating a broken arm doesn't result in the murder of an innocent third party either. I'm not saying stop having sex. I'm saying only have sex within LTRs, use several methods of contraception, especially condoms, use Plan B anytime a condom fails, and if you still somehow end up pregnant, carry the child to term …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:00 PM
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That level of stupidity, coupled with enough arrogance to form strong political opinions, despite being uninformed, is itself a value difference. I could never be with someone like that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:57 PM
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I support an exception for rape. But since you believe consent to sex is a pivotal detail, I can assume you agree with me that abortion should be banned in every other case? No? So you brought up rape in bad faith and we shouldn't take your argument seriously anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:54 PM
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I don't invite intruders into my house.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:48 PM
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Political views are very often indicative of underlying values. Sure, there are some issues I don't mind having some disagreement on. But I could never be with a woman who knit-picked everything I said and who I'd have to censor myself around, or who believed I shouldn't have the right to own a gun and defend myself, or who believes we should enable violent crime, or that murdering babies isn't horrifically evil, or that the government should rob people of their hard-earned money, including myse…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:29 PM
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Yes, I do. I don't care how rare it is. I'd rather be alone than be with someone who doesn't share my values.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:12 PM
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You're welcome <3
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:25 PM
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I'm all for it. Please filter yourselves out. Makes things so much easier for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:01 PM
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I don't care about age in and of itself. I do care about experience level. I want a partner who's as inexperienced as I am. That's hard enough to find with women my own age. With older women it's even less likely, massively so. That's the only reason I'd be hesitant. But if her experience level matched mine (and she met all of my other usual criteria), then I'd be totally open to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:00 AM
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No problem. Good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 05:28 PM
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BMI can be a decent indicator for regular, untrained people. But it starts to break down once you put on any significant amount of muscle mass. Unless you've been doing heavy weight lifting for a while, it's probably accurate for you. And your BMI is 25.7, which is ever-so-slightly overweight. That said, people carry fat differently. Some women can carry a little extra and still look good if they tend to mostly store it in their lower body/breasts, and very little in their belly. Take an honest …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 02:07 PM
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Some insecurities are objectively more valid than others. Unless my costumes were particularly revealing, it would make no sense for her to have an issue with it. It's an unreasonable demand. Whereas, asking your partner not to go to places like bars and nightclubs that are specifically designed for getting wasted, doing drugs, and dancing/flirting with strangers in ridiculously slutty outfits, is perfectly reasonable. That said, because I'd like to be a good partner, and because I take faithful…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 07:59 PM
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Not necessarily. But getting wasted and dancing with men other than your partner sure is. And even just putting yourself in that sort of environment is like playing Russian Roulette with infidelity. If you had any respect for your partner you'd just stay as far away from the whole thing as possible. I'm not saying that sort of lifestyle necessarily makes you a bad person, but it's a lifestyle that's fundamentally incompatible with monogamous relationships. Men shouldn't try to change women they …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 07:40 PM
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A lot of men probably feel like their only choice is to date women with degenerate lifestyles and try to change them because sooooo many women seem to live such lifestyles nowadays, and the few women who don't, tend to not put themselves out there, so it's impossible to meet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:59 PM
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I'm glad you said this because it perfectly illustrates that pro-choice women don't sincerely believe men aren't entitled to an opinion on abortion, it's just a tactic to suppress opinions they disagree with
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:34 PM
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Nobody is saying they care about the sex lives of people they aren't involved with. What people (men) are saying is they don't want to get romantically involved with people (women) with high n counts. And this is met with A LOT of backlash, despite it being a personal boundary for one's own relationships, and the trait in question being behavioral, ie something totally within your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:22 PM
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>not based on her n count... Just BEHAVIOR. Hold up. Do you think n count isn't behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:05 PM
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>Now, had I been attracted to him, would I feel the same way? I don't know - maybe, maybe not. Whether it's right or wrong, just letting you know that to most men reading, you undermined everything else you said by admitting that there was even a small chance you would have felt differently if you were attracted to him. Men will never take your assertion as to what does and doesn't qualify as creepy behavior seriously unless you fully commit to applying it equally regardless of attractiveness. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 05:59 PM
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I wouldn't measure anything in number of formal dates. However, the things I'd need to know before committing to a serious relationship with someone are: hobbies/interests political views and other important values lifestyle choices (alcohol, drugs, partying/clubbing, etc.) relationship and sexual history relationship goals (living situation, gender role expectations, marriage, kids, etc.) having a good sense of her personality in general That said, some of these things I'd wait to bring up unti…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 08:44 PM
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I am, yes. I'm not upset about being a virgin per se. Even if I had the opportunity to lose it casually, I wouldn't. But I am lonely and I want to be in a LTR very badly, and I'd of course like to lose it eventually within said relationship. I don't really "blame" anyone for it, but I do lament the fact that women who share my interests, values, and lifestyle are seemingly incredibly rare, which is part of what's preventing me from getting the relationship I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 06:29 PM
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There is no such quality. When evaluating a woman as a potential partner, I'm more so looking for an absence of any dealbreakers than a presence of any green flag traits. It's ok to have flaws, mind you, just none that are dealbreakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:05 PM
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radfem in flair pick-me Nah, I don't think so. I think she's just a hypocrite, simultaneously saying women shouldn't be bangmaids, but also trying to leverage the idea of getting a bangmaid to entice men into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 06:34 PM
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all the benefits men get by getting one bangmaid to look after their house and kids I thought women were refusing to offer this now, and men are no longer allowed to want it? I thought it was "misogynistic" to expect that? Whatever happened to that? So are "bangmaids" back on the table or not? Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 06:41 PM
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If I suddenly became super desirable to women right now, still having lived the same life I've lived up until this point, then I'd still want the same thing I already want as is: a LTR/marriage with a single high value partner. If I grew up having always been super desirable to women, it's impossible to say how I'd behave now. I would have lived my life in a very different environment and I'd have been socialized in a very different way. So it's possible (but not certain) that would influence me…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 06:30 PM
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When men complain about their partners not finding them attractive initally, I don't think that applies to demisexual women. It's understandable in that case. We just don't want our partners to "need an emotional connection first" with us, meanwhile finding other men immediately attractive. If you "need an emotional connection first" with all men, then that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 04:59 AM
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Men will always commit more violent crimes than women. That's our biological nature, and it can't be changed. What we can do, however, is foster a culture that results in acceptably low overall crime. I don't claim to have the answer for that, but I think a good start would be looking to East Asian societies as examples and seeing what we can learn from them. The results speak for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:00 AM
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I want a LTR (and eventually marriage) with a woman who I find reasonably attractive and who shares my values, interests, and lifestyle choices. Unfortunately, those last 3 things, especially combined, seem to be a pretty tall order, even though they really shouldn't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:10 AM
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Then why should I care that I offended you? Because decent people care about right and wrong even when they aren't personally impacted. Decent women condemn misandry even though it doesn't personally offend them, just like I condemn misogyny even though it doesn't personally offend me. So saying “women cheat and lie so dont teust their word” isnt misogyny to you? It depends. Were they saying "exclusively women cheat and lie because they are the more evil sex"? Or were they saying "people, includ…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:37 PM
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Well it doesn't personally offend me because I don't belong to the group it's aimed at, but I don't condone it and I definitely don't participate in it myself. Assuming it is a legitimate instance of misogyny, that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 07:39 PM
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I'm sorry I genuinely don't understand how that's related. Can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 07:24 PM
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If that's all you said, I'd agree. But when you said: Afterall men can be utterly disgusting. You made it personal, and you outed yourself as a misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 07:22 PM
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People cheat and lie. And last I checked, women are people. And it just so happens, due to the way reproduction works, it's impossible for women to be victims of paternity fraud as a result of infidelity. It's only fair that men get that same guarantee now that we have the technology for it. It's not personal, at all, and it never was.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:51 PM
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I'd be totally fine with my partner checking my phone. I have nothing to hide, and as her partner I'd want to reassure her and make her feel secure in the relationship. I don't see what checking for child abuse has to do with this but I guess I'd be fine with that too??? Afterall men can be utterly disgusting. This is what I take issue with. This is blatant misandry that I would not tolerate. And it's where the analogy breaks down because nobody was fucking saying this about women on the side ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:59 PM
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Well I don't think that's an apt comparison, because the social climate of the early USSR was very short-lived and did not represent the social climate throughout the vast majority of the USSR's existence. When people think of the quintessential Soviet man, they think of a man who is economically left and socially conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 04:39 PM
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The point is that masculine =/ conservative. That is all, stop putting words into my mouth. If that was your point, then there was no reason to bring up Soviet men. You brought up Soviet men to prove that you can be socially liberal and masculine. But Soviet men don't prove that. They prove you can be economically liberal and masculine, but not that you can be socially liberal and masculine. And when most women say they want liberal men, they mean socially liberal men. So social liberalism is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 04:31 PM
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Ok, fine, I'll assume you're correct and say it was 16 years out of 70. Still not a very strong argument. when Stalin recriminalized it, it was heavily criticized internationally This does nothing to support your earlier argument that masculine Soviet men were mostly socially liberal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:41 PM
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Homosexuality was only legalized for like 4 years out of the ~70 years the USSR existed, and the next time it was legalized was after the USSR formally dissolved. Throughout the overwhelming majority of the USSR's existence, it was socially conservative and Soviet men were socially conservative. You're right that it's possible to be masculine and not economically conservative. But it seems that being socially conservative is pretty much a requirement for being masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:31 PM
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Soviet men were conservative in every way but economically. I mean look at how LGBT people and racial minorities were treated under the USSR. And when women say they want left-leaning men, they typically mean social views, not economic views. I distinctly remember a question/poll on this very sub asking women if they'd prefer an economically right, socially liberal guy or an economically left, socially conservative guy and the overwhelming majority chose the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:00 PM
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What I don't understand about this whole topic is why it's such a huge insult and why people insist on blind trust like this. Why can't couples just do everything within their power to assuage any concerns of cheating for each other? Everyone would be better off for it. If my partner asked to see my phone or something, I'd just be like "Ok fine, I'm not cheating so I have nothing to hide." Like what's the big deal? Where does this mindset even come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 06:59 PM
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So cut to 10% and that'll give you some room to bulk without ever exceeding 15%. Whatever your maximum acceptable BF% is, you can still bulk while staying under that by cutting below your target % first and stopping the bulk before you go over. But you're really holding yourself back if you just never bulk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 07:55 PM
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Well you must be exceptionally good-looking, then. Like top 1% good-looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:53 PM
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You'll be waiting forever then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:17 PM
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None of that actually matters if they're still making a net profit in the billions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 05:46 PM
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Would you kind to know what your score is and know how often you’re seen? I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. truly don’t think people in lower leagues if you will want each other How do/did people in lower leagues pair up through IRL dating, especially before the internet/OLD was a thing, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 05:44 PM
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They're not "rigged". Dude, they WANT average men paying for it and using them That's exactly it. They don't want them to pair up and get off the apps, and they want to drive them to desperation so they pay for paid features, and they don't want those features to actually help so they keep paying for them. we don't anymore because even if we pay for them, we still get zero interest That's why they throw you a bone by temporarily boosting profile visibility every now and then, without it actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 05:24 PM
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The dating apps aren't rigged, women just have very high standards I'm sure that's part of it too, but they absolutely are rigged. All of the popular dating apps manipulate the algorithm by promoting or hiding profiles based on a hidden score determined by the ratio of likes you give to likes you receive. A lot of people would have better chances if all profiles were shown to everyone equally. That way people in lower leagues could see each other's profiles and pair up. But as it stands, everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 05:05 PM
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I want there to be a dating app that isn't rigged to prevent people from forming LTRs, with a large enough userbase that is a roughly 50/50 gender ratio. Either that, or some resurgence of IRL third spaces, coupled with either a normalization of women approaching men or a cultural shift in attitude toward men approaching women back to what it was before the MeToo era.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 04:17 PM
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Yeah I'm sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 01:00 AM
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Im ethnically German lol. Im sure at least one of my ancestors got up to some tomfoolery.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 12:53 AM
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they weren’t whoopin’ ass and tossing gauchos through bar windows Yes, a lot of them were. There isn't some "nerdiness" gene that people are born with. People are influenced by their environment, at least to some extent, and our society being so peaceful that the most violent thing most people experience is in video games has turned more men into nerds who otherwise might not have been.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 10:47 PM
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Speak for yourself. My preferences for fictional romantic interests are identical to my preferences for IRL partners. So I just kinda assumed it was the same for everyone else, and if people's IRL partners didn't match their preferences in fiction, it was just because they're unable to get what they truly want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 10:39 PM
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You are in a bubble. The median household income in the U.S. is about $75,000/yr. The vast majority of Americans absolutely cannot afford to hire personal chefs and maids. This is just not an option for most people outside of your niche circles. So one or both partners in a marriage has to do them. I'd agree that it would be unreasonable to expect one partner to do all of the household chores if they both work and earn about the same. But if one partner isn't working, they sure as hell better do…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:06 PM
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Not only are they not too high, but they're actually good standards to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:40 PM
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This only happens to above average women I'd argue that if this doesn't happen to you as a woman, you're most likely well below average. Certainly less attractive than men who get the same amount of attention. In other words, women at every level of attractiveness get vastly more attention than their looksmatched male counterparts. Your second paragraph is so pointless, men do this to women who dont ridicule men at all. That sucks, and you have my sympathy. But that's because you're suffering fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:07 PM
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Ok fair enough. My initial statement was a bit hyperbolic. But the spirit of my statement still applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:48 PM
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Thanks. Then to answer u/half_avocado33 's question, no I don't think this guy is a bad person. He's approaching politiely and seems to be observant of body language, etc. This is the way cold approaches should be done, and he's one of the few decent men who hasn't been discouraged by women broadly stating they never want to be approached. But most decent men have been rightly/understandably discouraged, and most men who continue to approach are sleazy douchebags. This guy's part of a very small…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:18 PM
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I can't access that link.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:14 AM
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I do, but all of them met through school, or through social circles from school. But anyone who missed that opportunity will have to approach women in other environments, and women have made it abundantly clear they don't want to be approached in any of those environments, so they guarantee that the only ones who do are the sleazy douchebags.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:49 PM
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I never said dating doesn't suck for women. But their problems are better problems to have. Needing to extensively vet a ton of men who are interested in you is annoying, I'm sure, but it's better than having no options at all. And it's partly a problem of their own making. Why do you think the vast majority of men who approach women just want sex? Because when you disparage and ridicule all men for approaching women in any way, shape, or form, the only ones who will continue to do so are the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:37 PM
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I'm not talking about some prostitution arrangement with direct payment. I'm talking about real realtionships/marriages, but where it's obvious the woman is mainly or entirely with him for the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 03:46 AM
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Nah, men absolutely can buy relationships with women out of their league. It just won't be a relationship that any self-respecting man would want, because he won't be truly desired and probably won't be treated well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 03:32 AM
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How do you feel about your SO having friends of the opposite sex? She can have a coed friend group and hang out with the guys in group settings. But no male "best friend", or hanging out with any of them alone. Friends with ex's? Friends with former FWBs? Abso-fucking-lutely not. No exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 02:29 AM
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Never said anyone is. But you seem to be insisting that it's good advice, and I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:17 AM
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No, the advice to find a partner at hobbies is trash, because it won't help me find a partner that shares my hobbies. Because I can either do my actual hobbies where there are no women, or I can pretend to like a hobby I don't and find a partner that doesn't share my hobbies. Maybe it's fine advice if I just wanted any partner, but not for a partner that will make me happy or enrich my life at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 03:21 PM
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That's the thing. ALL of my hobbies are male hobbies. Why would I go to a hobby group for something I don't enjoy just to (at best) end up with a partner I have nothing in common with anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 04:18 AM
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Why weren't you interested in any of the 9 girls at the first speed dating event if you found them attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 04:12 AM
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Unfortunately, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:40 AM
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homophobia male-on-male hatred Hmm... how can I make this about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:45 AM
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I understand that some women prefer introverted men. But introverted men usually won't initiate, and neither will women. So what ends up happening in practice is introverted men struggle to find a partner much more than extroverted men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:59 PM
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OLD is the equivalent to buying a book based on the cover art and blurb Yeah, well it's pretty damn important to me that my partner likes my cover art.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:29 PM
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You need to get realistic. There will always be someone prettier, taller, or richer. I'm aware. But I just can't cope with that. And I don't think I ever will. And I don't understand how anyone else can.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:48 PM
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look at the guys you know who date, then ask yourself how many of them cold approach The answer is zero. But then again, if I ask myself: how many of the guys you know have what you want? The answer is also zero. So surely I have to do something differently from what they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:46 PM
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Yep, this cannot be overstated. University is apparently where the vast majority of people typically meet there partners. Well, I'm 23 and guess what? I got to go to college in person for like 2 semesters out of 4 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:35 PM
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Not nearly as much. Men are responsible for like 90% of violent crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:14 PM
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Tbf, only allowing in women would solve the "stabbity-stab" problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:48 AM
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Yeah, that checks out. Women are reaping what they sowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:17 AM
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Nah my problem is that's exactly what I'm looking for (well, not your exaggerated cynical version, but what ppl usually call pick-mes), and there apparently aren't enough of them to go around.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:12 AM
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the same women like me in person who would probably have not ever swiped me. See, this is what bothers me. Even if I do manage to get a partner, there will always be this feeling in the back of my mind that she would've swiped left if she saw me on Tinder instead of meeting me IRL. Online dating revealed who women truly desire, and it turns out that's a tiny sliver of men, and they usually end up settling. And now I can't unsee that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:04 AM
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There'd be no economy without people buying throw pillows?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:53 AM
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single men often do the bare minimum by themselves. Mattress on the floor. 1 towel, 1 pillow. Plastic dish wear etc. Only once they're in a relationship do they actually level up to living like a full adult. Why? Because the WOMAN UPGRADES HIS WHOLE LIFE. Another way of looking at this is that men, when left to their own devices, are more content with living a simpler lifestyle. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. They only adopt excessive throw pillows and "LIve Laugh Love" signs wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:36 AM
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True The people who hold the most power in society are mostly men, but the average man has no more power in society than the average woman. True "Soft" power is not only real, but it's the only power that's relevant, because "hard" power is illegal to excercise in any way. True True (and this is usually the woman) True
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 03:45 AM
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Would you date a man who was mildly insecure about his hairline and acne?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 02:08 AM
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I'm not arguing in favor of that. In fact the opposite, for the most part. Just saying either equal gender roles or no gender can both be considered "gender euality".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 02:07 AM
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Gender equality is when all genders are freed from constricting gender roles Not necessarily. Men and women can both be freed from their gender roles, or they can both be held to equally rigid gender roles. Either one would constitute gender equality. You could argue it's better for both genders to be freed than both constrained, but neither is any more equal than the other. The only thing that's not gender equality is one gender being held to more rigid gender roles than the other (ie the statu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:16 AM
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So you, yourself, have absolutely zero insecurities?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:11 AM
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Idk if it disqualifies him from giving "alpha male advice" (whatever that means). However, I make a habit of disregarding any advice from anyone who doesn't have what I want. And that would apply to any man who pays for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 11:29 PM
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There are pleeenty of men who would happily wait until marriage for a woman who is a virgin, even in the most liberal countries. Anyone who tries to make you believe otherwise has ulterior motives. Either jealous hoes who want to sabotage you, or men who want to pump and dump you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 04:44 PM
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21 foot rule applies to closing distance with a knife. If he pulls a knife, I'm pulling my gun immediately and not fucking around with a fist fight first. But if we're already in a fist fight, I think it's safe to assume he doesn't want to use his weapon if he has one, so pulling a gun at close range would still be an effective move to stop the fight. And in any case, I carry a knife too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:14 AM
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To me? None, since I carry a gun. I'd fight fair until it was clear I lost, and then pull it out before I got beat up too badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:39 AM
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Do you think he handled the situation well? Is it believable? No. That was pathetic. I don't even blame his date for getting the "ick". I got it myself watching that lol. Not saying he should've gone out of his way to fight the guy, but he should've stood up for himself verbally, and if a fight happened, it happened. I'd rather lose a fight than be made to look like a bitch. How do you think she handled things? Realistic? I think she handled it fine. It wasn't her fight. The bully was targeting …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 08:05 PM
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A man who wants to have sex really fast or cares about being “faster” to sex than other men doesn’t actually care about that woman at all It's not about getting sex as fast as possible. I agree that most men who want relationships aren't concerned with that. Nor should they be. It's about not wanting your partner to have slept with other men faster than you, because that demonstrates that she desired them more than you. And that's where self respect comes in. No self respecting man would stay in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 07:22 PM
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You can say that all you want, but good luck finding a man you're attracted to who also has so little self-respect that he'd wait for a woman who's given it out for free to other men. That's pretty much nonexistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:39 PM
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if that woman is seeking a relationship, it’s still smart for her to make guys wait to see if he’s serious I 100% agree and I encourage women to do this. But if a woman chooses to have casual sex, even once, then she loses the right to use that strategy, forever, going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:10 PM
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This is the only sane take. Feminism and MRA are both cringe unnecessary idpol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 05:02 AM
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Or, she can find some kinda mediocre guy she’s not that thrilled with and exchange her youth and enjoyable sex for the promise No one said this. Here are the real 2 options: Have enjoyable sex with multiple partners and die alone when you're old. Have enjoyable sex with one partner (that you are also genuinely attracted to) and then grow old with him and stay together out of love and appreciation for each other even when you inevitibly lose attraction to each other (because that's gonna happen w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 08:01 PM
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Female imperative: 4 I mostly agree, but status is only one of several criteria for an ideal mate, and not even the most important one. A few others include physical appearance, personality, interests/hobbies, values, and actual wealth (which is independent of status, though they may correlate). Male imperative: 5 Nothing to add. Although I think each of these strategies maximize each respective gender's self-interest, they're both extremely unethical and shouldn't be acted upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:56 PM
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Do you think love just materializes out of nowhere? I'm not saying relationships are completely transactional, but love is built by doing kind things for eachother and being there for eachother in times of need. You're being too cynical about this. a lot of women find they were building him up to be able to chase younger and hotter women. They call them “starter wives”. This is why I stressed finding a good man. Not just any man. Extensive vetting of potential partners is absolutely a vital part…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:08 PM
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The fact that people become less attracitve as they age is an unavoidable fact of life, for both men and women. Why does settling down with a partner who loves you as a person so much that your looks don't matter to him sound so "miserable" to you? And it would be mutual by the way, because you wouldn't find him attractive anymore once he aged either. Would you rather just not have a partner to grow old with? Because that's the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:16 PM
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23 isn't old. Or even nearing old. Don't get me wrong, you should still try to settle down fairly soon, but it's definitely not too late for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:56 AM
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What do men want women to do when they become sexually undesirable as they age? Find a good man, settle down with him young, give him your youth, be a good partner to him, be there for him when he had nothing and before he built up his life. Make him appreciate you and feel indebted to you. Become irreplaceable to him, so that even when you do age and he loses sexual attraction to you, he won't even consider leaving you or being unfaithful for a second. If instead, you hoe around in your youth, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:27 AM
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I wouldn't say the implication is that "men are gross" per se. Rather, it's more like "sex is something men do to women". Which is just kinda... mechanically true. The penis penetrates the vagina. It's psychologically humiliating to have something inserted into you. Especially by someone who is bigger and stronger than you, and can easily overpower you physically. Sure, a lot of women eroticize that humiliation , but it's still humiliating nonetheless. Not to mention sex is riskier and carries h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 08:24 PM
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Some do, and they are also wrong to do so. However, men aiming above their league seems to be a less prevalent issue, en masse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 09:37 PM
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There's theoretical market value and there's actual market value. In theory, an average looking guy should be equal in value to an average looking girl. A skinny guy should be equal to a skinny girl. A muscular guy should be equal to a well-endowed girl. A fat guy, a fat girl. A short guy, a short girl. An avg height guy, an avg height girl. And so on. The fact that even fat, ugly, short girls are demanding muscular, handsome, tall guys is a problem (if that is a fact). If there's a massive disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:43 PM
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It's pretty obvious. Of course women are gonna get mad when their competitors undercut them. Tradwives/pick mes offer more to men for the same/lower price, forcing other women to either also offer more or lose out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 02:46 AM
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It's not overrated, it's just unrealistic considering men and women tend to have completely different interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:53 PM
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Well this wasn't about me personally, but since you're asking: No. I want someone who has the same amount of experience as me, has reasonable boundaries, and was never damaged and never let anyone abuse her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 04:48 PM
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This is why I've always insisted on only dating someone who shares enough of my interests. I'm now 23 and have never dated anyone. This insistence has made it too hard to find a partner because women just don't share my interests. And that's probably why most partners aren't friends. Most other people realized this sooner than I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 05:44 AM
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I do think in most of these cases, it's a matter of women's preferences genuinely changing as they mature, rather than settling. It's not women being malicious or anything. But it doesn't actually matter. Either way, it's still a raw deal from the perspective of the "beta" men that they settle down with. From their perspective, they've spent a great deal of their lives alone and toiling away, only to be rewarded with a partner who: has aged and is less beautiful than before had her fun and got t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 05:25 AM
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Honestly, it's just much easier to conceal carry This is what I've been saying for a while now. Samuel Colt made men and women equal. But I get downvoted for it everytime. This is Reddit tho, so idk what I expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 04:08 AM
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You’d have your family be poor just so that you can feel like more of a man? You clearly didn't read my whole comment: I have no preference between being dual income or providing while my partner stays home, as long as she contributes equally. I also don't want children, so there's that. If you’re not actually being a provider I’d consider that cosplay traditionalism. I'll provide what I can, and do my best to provide more in the future. That's all I can promise. That's all anyone can promise. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 11:20 PM
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Well for one, being traditional doesn't require being rich. It just requires making enough money to support yourself and your partner. Which I can. It just wouldn't be a lavish lifestyle. In fact anyone can, even on minimum wage, despite all the moaning. And either way, it's a temporary thing. I'm working on improving my financial situation so I could provide a better lifestyle if my hypothetical partner wanted to be a housewife. And secondly, income dynamic is only one aspect of being tradition…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 10:57 PM
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Do you workout? Yeah SMV Overall? Like I said, 7/10 physically. Maybe a 3/10 for everything else. So I guess itd average out to 5/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 03:20 PM
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I'd say physically, I'm overall 7/10. I'm slightly above average facially, with pretty good hair and style, and have a way above average body, but I am a bit short. Financially, not great atm, and my social skills are honestly pretty abysmal. But I don't think that factors in much cuz I wanna date another introvert, and wouldn't wanna date someone who cares about money that much anyway. In other words, I don't expect my partner to be rich (or even have a job at all), nor do I expect her to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 02:51 PM
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I didnt say it wasnt a great moral display. Just saying it's not a coincidence that the one time a feminist displays good character is when she's saying something that's not in line with feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 01:56 PM
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You respect that kind of "feminism" because it wasn't feminism. Even if she identifies as a feminist, in that moment she was being an egalitarian, not a feminist. I'd like to see her, and everyone for that matter, be egalitarians 100% of the time, and identify as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 01:57 AM
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I couldn't possibly think of anything more ideal. Just give me myself with a vagina, and we're golden.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 12:14 AM
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The “gender ratios” are fucked because most men are invisible to women I don't think you understand what I'm saying. It is a confirmed FACT that there are wayyy more male users than female users on ALL dating sites. It's mathematically impossible for that to be true while simultaneously every woman on earth is using dating apps. Especially since there are MORE women in the United States than men. For ALL women to use dating apps, and for men to still outnumber them on said dating apps, that woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 08:49 PM
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Forget my anecdotes. I'm never gonna convince you that I know my own experiences better than you do. Still, how could there possibly be such a mismatched gender ratio if every woman on earth is "chadsearching on the DL"? It's mathematically impossible. And if the gender ratios weren't so fucked, so many men wouldn't be struggling with dating like they are in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 07:29 PM
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Then why is there a 1000:1 gender ratio on all the apps? And you're wrong anyway, cuz I've only known one woman IRL that used a dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 06:41 PM
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Women are leaving dating apps Women used dating apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 01:59 PM
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The "1 in 4" stat women constantly tout may be drastically inflated, but to claim that men are raped just as often as women is patently ridiculous. Any stats that suggest that are entirely attributable to prison rape, which isn't a concern to anyone who's not in prison. The odds of an average man like you or me of being raped while going about our day to day lives is astronomically lower than it is for women. We're more likely to be a victim of random violent crime, yes, but not rape. Most peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:50 AM
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ALL rejections are humiliating. Inherently. No matter how polite the girl is, it's still not gonna feel good, and it's pretty much impossible to handle a rejection gracefully and continue to show your face among whatever social circle it happened in.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:47 AM
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The other things women need to bring to the table for a relationship are sexual modesty and domestic skills. More men have been waking up and starting to demand this lately... and women are NOT happy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 03:26 AM
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I was thinking about it as more of a broad hypothetical of 20 year old body with 40 year old personality vs the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 05:34 AM
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You say it like it's a difficult choice, but I'd rather date a 40 year old in a 20 year old's body than a 20 year old in a 20 year old's body... and I'm 23 myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 12:22 AM
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I like that women are less prone to physical violence... like, by an insane margin. I'm astronomically more likely to be randomly attacked by another man just going about my day than by a woman. (Nb4 anyone says anything tho, I'm even more likely to be attacked by a bear if I encounter one). Also, the silver lining of women being so picky and less visual is that if you somehow manage to find one that likes you, she's not gonna be as tempted to fuck every decent looking stranger she sees, and thu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 09:44 PM
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what's wrong with that Nothing really. I admit my reasoning for this one isn't the noblest. It's just that it does nothing for me and I imagine it would feel better to finish inside (I'm a virgin, so idk for sure). I guess I'd do it if my partner really wanted me to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 03:58 PM
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I would especially treat a pick-me woman with respect. Because it sounds like she'd be treating me with lots of respect. You get what you give.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:37 AM
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Sounds great for the most part. Even if some of it is a bit excessive, it's a little cringey at worst, which I can tolerate. What I can't tolerate is the opposite extreme (feminism/misandry). Or even just a little bit of the opposite. That said, Casually call her the b word Nut on her face Make her sit in the back so your boy can sit up front Skip buying presents for Valentine's Day I wouldn't take her up on any of these offers, and I'm still gonna buy her presents. The only thing I find genuine…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:26 AM
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simply not dating at all ding ding ding
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:03 AM
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It's only "shameful/dishonorable" to be a victim of cheating if you still stay with the cheater after finding out. As long as you dump them as soon as you find out and make it clear that you have zero tolerance for it, there's nothing shameful in it at all, and all the shame falls on the cheater.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:27 AM
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Bro's got a weird fixation on broccoli hair lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 10:16 PM
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The average 20 year old isn’t physically fit though Neither is the average 40 year old. And the averge 40 year old is experiencing the detrimental effects of aging on top of that. Neither the average 20 year old, nor the average 40 year old is fit, but the former is more fit than the latter. can’t usually bench a single plate as they text for 15 minutes between sets and take selfies of their broccoli hair I think this sentence reveals that you're arguing from a place of bitterness and jealousy o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 05:52 PM
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I think you should do those things for yourself That's what I have been doing. What I want to do is stay home playing video games, watching movies and anime, and browsing Reddit, 4chan, and YouTube shorts, almost all day everyday, other than going to the gym, on a walk, or shopping here and there. Even if I had more money, I'd just do outdoor stuff, shooting guns, a martial art, or maybe even blacksmithing to make swords or some shit. Because I'm a fucking dude. And there wouldn't be any women t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 10:44 PM
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Men are claiming that men are at their peak physical attractiveness and fitness at 40??? I don't believe you that any significant number of men are claiming that. But if they are, I'll readily say they're fucking delusional. I could maybe understand claiming a non-majority subset of men can physically peak at 30, if they aren't balding yet, took care of their skin, and are in better shape than 20 year olds because they've been training consistently for an extra 10 years. I could also understand …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 07:46 PM
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I don't think that's very applicable to 40 year olds vs 20 year olds in the modern (sedentary) era.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 07:35 PM
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You don't have to think 40 year olds are "elderly" to acknowledge that the average 40 year old is definitely not as physically fit as the average 20 year old. I don't have any stats in front of me, but I'd bet my life on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 06:03 PM
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Good thing I'm not a red piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:20 PM
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Well that's great for you guys, but that's more effort than I'm willing to put in. Constantly arguing with my partner to debunk her ignorant and/or hateful ideology, before we can even start to have a functional relationship, does not sound like a good time to me. I'd rather just stay single until I can find someone who has enough critical thinking skills to have already debunked everything on her own, or better yet, someone who has good enough character that she was never drawn to such an ideol…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 12:06 PM
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Most women will identify as feminist Yes. And most women aren't worth dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 03:40 AM
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Shitty women, sure. But I have several female friends who I don't find attractive, and I assume they don't find me attractive either, yet they are still willing to be friends with me. Unless I'm wrong and they do secretly find me attractive, in which case it's more of a one-sided friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 05:19 PM
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I'd argue men and women can only be friends if they don't find each other attractive. The less conventionally attractive you are, the easier it is to have friends of the opposite sex, and the more conventionally attractive you are, the harder it is. or the man would be too disinterested to even persue friendship since sex is off the table Only if said guy is exclusively looking for a romantic relationship/sex and is not interested in making any new friends at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 05:09 PM
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Here's why I use them, or at least why I would like to use them: I'm no longer in college and I work remotely. I'm not romantically interested in any of the few female friends I already have. I dislike bars and nightclubs, and wouldn't be compatible with the types of women who go to such places. All of my hobbies, both online and in person are sausage fests. Online dating allows me to meet as many new people as I like instantly and effortlessly without even leaving my home, and it also ensures t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 06:32 PM
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The total amount of simping wouldn't decrease. However, it'd be more concentrated on fewer women who are naturally exceptionally gorgeous. Makeup allows virtually all women access to simping, artificially inflating their estimation of their own attractiveness, and therefore also inflating their standards. In other words, makeup deludes 5s into believing they're 8s, causing them to demand 8/10 male partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:17 PM
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Beards and makeup are a false equivalence. Beards don't come off before bed every night. And men don't just not put on their beards in the morning when they plan to stay home all day. Sure, a man could deceive you by having a beard when you met and shaving it later. But he could just as well treat his beard like an inseparable part of his face and keep it til his deathbed, never to be seen by you without it. This obviously isn't possible with makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:10 PM
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When you feel it. That said, if you're not feeling it at least once a day for a prolonged period of time, that may suggest that your relationship is suffering in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 05:41 AM
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Your idea of this comes from Tinder And? There's nothing stopping you or any other woman from using Tinder. That is an option you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 04:11 AM
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That, and women need to start carrying guns ("the great equalizer") so they don't have to be paralized with fear everytime they cross paths with a penis-haver. And then they can adjust their general disposition toward men accordingly. We literally have the perfect technological solution to this issue (and a lot of other issues), and it's severely under-utilized, particularly by women (who stand to benefit from it most).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 10:32 PM
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or want to wait to have sex for so long This doesn't bother me in the slightest and in fact I think it's a good thing and wish more women did it and for much longer. Once again, this is a matter of conflating two very distinct groups of men that are each saying very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:27 PM
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Yep. It's like if someone came up to you and just offered you a free house. Your first thought would be "Well what the hell's wrong with it?".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:59 AM
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I guess the lesson here is that men never trust what women say, then. No. The lesson here is that men don't trust women when their actions drastically contradict their words. Even if they're really telling the truth, it just makes it hard to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:58 AM
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Can confirm. That's exactly what I'd be thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:56 AM
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lmao nice catch
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:56 AM
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if you as a man aren’t saving yourself for that traditional wife you want so much what makes you think you even deserve one? I'm a virgin and very deliberately saving myself for my future wife, and I'm still constantly told I'm a creep, pathetic, insecure, immature, outdated, or some other slew of insults for wanting my partner to have the same amount of experience as me (ie, none). And what's more is that in my experience, those women without experience, by and large, don't even appreciate puri…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:43 PM
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Don't women here constantly complain about men not doing enough personal grooming? Are you using the same PPD I am?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:18 PM
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does that mean she’s a passport sister // I have been manipulated? No silly. Only women can be manipulated, because they don't have agency. 🤡 /s if that wasn't obvious enough
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:00 AM
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For traditional gender roles to be fair, unless the housewife/SAHM had multiple kids to take care of that aren't in school yet, she'd need to be doing literally everything except providing the income. That includes not just cooking and cleaning, but also shopping/groceries, decorating, finances, errands, scheduling, event planning, etc. She needs to be doing 40 hrs of work every week, which is typically enough time to cover all of those things. She also needs to have the understanding that it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 04:14 PM
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I still think it's important to underscore how uncommon that view is. Your complaints about the men you're referring to are valid, but those men are largely an imaginary boogeyman that women invent to complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 03:55 PM
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I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 03:47 PM
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women expire at 25 no matter if they’re virgins or sluts I don't think many men genuinely believe that. I certainly don't. We just pull out the "middle-aged cat lady" card when dealing with misandrist women and trying to warn them that their attitude toward men will keep them single and lonely. I'm guessing most of the "virgin-shaming" you've seen from men against women have been in that sort of context. But please do correct me if I'm wrong. I think it’s better that one is a virgin at 25 waitin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:00 AM
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I'm exclusively looking for a LTR, and I would be very incompatible with the types of women who go to nightclubs (or bars, parties, concerts, raves, etc.). I know it's hard to find women in gaming/nerd communities, but I'd rather be single than be with someone who doesn't share my hobbies and values, and live a similar lifestyle. I'm still gonna bitch about being single tho lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:48 AM
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but at 25 she’s “weird and awkward” for still being a virgin Who says that? I've never heard it. My guess is, if anyone, it's jealous women who want to sabotage their competition by pressuring virgin women to give it up. Surely no men have said that to you, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:37 AM
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Even though guys really don't need to be 10/10 Brad Pitt in looks, it may be a lot easier to focus on these superficial things, and when that's still not enough, I can see how people can become discouraged. Exactly. I wish blackpillers were right. I wish it was all about looks. I wish I could just get shredded enough and then walk outside shirtless and women would bid on me like an auction house lol. But no, unfortunately I have to do something infinitely harder than busting my ass in the gym fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 05:40 AM
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Well I disagree with OP then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 10:13 PM
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Absolutely. Provided said guy could genuinely become interested in female oriented media, or at least fake interest well enough. But for most men that's gonna be horribly boring and not enjoyable at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 05:53 PM
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Then being a pickme isn't necessarily a bad thing. So apply that to women with RP beliefs too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 05:38 PM
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Motte: "Men and women are equal." Bailey: "We should be allowed to murder babies."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 05:33 PM
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If they're faking their opinions for male attention, sure it's pathetic. But I think plenty of them are just genuinely compassionate toward men and men's issues. When it comes to those women, others can call them "pick-me"s all they want. Well guess what? I pick them. Everyone else can cope and seethe.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 05:30 PM
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Men and women with only media consumption hobbies tend to have completely different media consumption hobbies. For men, it's anonymous forums, anime, and video games. For women, it's Insta/TikTok, reality T.V., and true crime. Hell, even when women like video games, it's not the same video games men like. It's mobile games, Sims, Animal Crossing, and Stardew Valley (all single player, btw). So even though they're both only consuming media, they don't actually share any interests they can talk ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 05:22 PM
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Not having enough interesting hobbies is probably one of the main reasons men who already have potential partners in their social circles are still single. But among single men, the overwhelming majority's reason for being single is that they don't even have that to begin with. A lot of men work in male-dominated workplaces, so if they didn't cultivate a large, coed social circle in college, they're fucked. It's literally over and they will never have another chance unless they change careers or…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 05:13 PM
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Copying and pasting this from another one of my replies: I don't really agree with the premise to begin with. Gen Z isn't "aging faster" than other generations per se. What's happening is adolescents are developing faster (prob cuz of all the hormones being pumped into our food). They aren't gonna look 30 at 20, 40 at 30, etc. They just started looking 20 sooner than prior generations, and will still look 20 at 20, and then age normally from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 02:32 AM
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That's definitely a possibility. I wasn't really arguing that not having sex is aging Gen Z. I was just saying that if it did have anything to do with sex, that's what it'd have to be, cuz Gen Z ain't havin' it. But if you wanna hear my real opinion, I don't really agree with the premise to begin with. Gen Z isn't "aging faster" than other generations per se. What's happening is adolescents are developing faster (prob cuz of all the hormones being pumped into our food). They aren't gonna look 30…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 02:25 AM
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Well it can't be that, because Gen Z is definitely not having more sex than previous generations. They're having less. Maybe not having sex causes you to age faster.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 11:10 PM
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The wall exists for everyone. Your individual lifestyle choices can hasten or delay the wall, within a set range. On average, women hit the wall slightly sooner than men. To expand on that last one: Men's skin ages slower than women's due to higher thickness and collagen, as well as other factors related to higher testosterone. Muscularity is a larger component of what makes men attractive to the opposite sex, than it is for women. And provided a man works out consistently throughout his life an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 11:08 PM
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In that quote I was obviously referring to the non-custodial parent, based on the context. If you choose to be the custodial parent, and the court deems you fit enough, you have more responsibilities to ensure the child's survival, beyond just financial provision, compared to the non-custodial parent. And it has to be that way because both parents can't have primary custody if they live in different homes. It's a logistic issue. But if neither parent wants custody, they're free to put the child …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 04:32 PM
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I wouldn't even do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 04:21 PM
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Because straight men ultimately don't care what other men do, to the extent that we care what women do. Because we have no stake in it. If women want promiscuous men to be shamed, it's their responsibility to do it. And I legitimately wish they would. But they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 12:52 AM
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Not in a million years. Not even if she was just a whore in private, and didn't post videos for the whole world to see. Not even if she paid for everything for the rest of my life, let alone just the first date. Not even if she was the last woman on earth. I'd sooner let humanity die.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 12:48 AM
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You have a legal responsibility to provide for your children materially It should be obvious to anyone who isn't being deliberately obtuse or arguing in bad faith that what I meant when I said this is "You have to ensure your child's survival until they are a legal adult", not just that you have to send them checks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 10:48 PM
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you can just send a check and otherwise abandon your kids legally That's not "abandonment". You have a legal responsibility to provide for your children materially, but the government can't force you to love your kids and spend time with them, nor should it. Just stop and think about how ridiculous that would be. What, do you want a government-mandated quota of hugs per day that all parents must give to their children? Assign an FBI agent to every household to count them? Does it make you a shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 08:45 AM
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I don't think it selects a gender by default. You have to manually select one, otherwise it just says "select".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 05:37 PM
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Our Overton window is so far to the right that people think that the Democrats, a capitalist centrist party, are “radical leftists.” This is an issue of terminology. Economic views and social views are, regrettably, both conflated into right/left. Our economic Overton window is center-right (but to the left of where it was, even in my lifetime, and continuing to move left), while our social Overton window is far-left. When right-wingers or centrists call Democrats "radical leftists", we don't me…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 11:32 PM
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When I say "Reddit is left-wing", I mean all of the front page apolitical subs, and large political subs that are meant to be neutral (r/politics) are all overwhelmingly left-wing. Whereas you have to specifically seek out explicitly conservative subs to find any conservative opinions. Conservative subs on Reddit are so far right If you think "conservatives" here are "so far right", oh buddy... Wait til you see even just real life, let alone places like 4chan or csgo lobbies. that they skew the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 11:15 PM
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Yeah, I've seen the same, anecdotally. It's possible that more men have IG and FB accounts, thus they're counted in the stats, but the women who do use those platforms are more active on them than the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:59 PM
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On Instagram you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:51 PM
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If men are right-wing by nature, how is Reddit now overwhelmingly left-wing, while still being significantly male-dominated? Snapchat is 51% female, Pinterest is 76.2% female. Even with that information, I don't think that fully explains where all the women are. On one hand, you have Reddit, Discord, Twitter/X, and FB. All insanely popular platforms that are significantly male-dominated. On the other hand, you have IG and Snapchat, with wayyyyy less combined total users, and only slightly female…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:49 PM
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Well think of all the sexbots and scambots. And on the other hand, there are no types of bots where it would benefit the creator to mark it as male, to balance them out. It either benefits the creator to mark a bot as female, or the gender doesn't matter so they flip a coin. So it seems pretty obvious to me that most bots would be marked female.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:38 PM
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Do women still use AO3 and Wattpad? It just seems like all of the platforms typically thought of as female-dominated (Tumblr, AO3, Wattpad) are dying. So I find it hard to believe that those platforms could explain the disparity between women's general internet use and their use of all the most popular platforms. There's no way there are as many women on Tumblr, let alone Wattpad, as there are men on Reddit, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:35 PM
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Reddit used to be heavily libertarian which leans into male-centric politics The political angle did occur to me, but I didn't think it was a significant enough factor to include it. It also assumes that men are more right-wing than women by nature. But do we know that? Was Reddit more right-wing because it was mostly used by men? Or are men more right-wing because they grew up on Reddit? You've also not included for other social media such as Tumblr, Snapchat, Pinterest which I'd assume have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:29 PM
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Tumblr is definitely mostly female It's actually 50/50 according to this source. But if that's true, I suppose Tumblr is weird. It doesn't follow the pattern with IG and FB, as it's more anonymous, as well as discussion and hobby-oriented (pretty similar format to Reddit), and yet has a higher percentage of women than most of the other platforms (not a majority, but higher comparatively). Why do you think that is? What about Tumblr appeals more to women? What does it have that Reddit, for exampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:12 PM
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Well, the way the data was gathered is locked behind a paywall, so we don't know if it's user data collected by the platform itself, based on the gender users marked on their profiles, or if it's a poll/survey. If it's the former, it could be bots, but if it's the latter, bots wouldn't be counted. And if it is bots, presumably there'd be more bots marked as female. So then the actual percentage of female users would be even lower, and there'd be an even higher disparity between women's general i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:06 PM
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Especially now that internet use has apparently equalized, and in fact women use it slightly more. That wouldn't explain this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:00 PM
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A woman who exclusively lurks would still count as a female user in those stats, no? Unless you think women are just less likely to participate in whatever surveys those stats are based on for some reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:59 PM
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From best/easiest to worst/hardest: same age, same experience > younger, same experience > same age, more experience > younger, more experience. I think we'd all agree that it's ideal for "late bloomer" men to date women their own age who are also "late bloomers", but that's hard to find, and gets harder and harder the older you get. It's much easier to find a younger woman who matches your experience level, which isn't ideal, but still better than the remaining options.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 06:28 PM
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Writing emails and making spreadsheets isn't "labor". Not to say that those jobs don't serve any purpose whatsoever, or that people who work those types of jobs should be looked down on, but civilization could survive without those jobs. Point is, there's a certain amount of laborious jobs, like farming, mining, construction, trucking, etc. that can only be done by men for the most part and are absolutely essential to any civilization. Therefore, there's a certain caste of men who women need to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 12:29 AM
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The only issue that's impossible to completely eliminate is the gender imbalance. However, I think it can be reduced by adding more features that allow the user to convey their personality more, like Hinge does (which, IIRC has one of the least imbalanced gender ratios out of all the popular dating apps). What can totally be fixed: - very strict verification requirements to keep out bots - permanently ban users who advertise other social media accounts - drastically reducing the amount of time a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 05:52 PM
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Yes, provided she was either trying to get her career on track, or had aspirations of being a housewife (and the necessary skills for that). Point is, I don't care how she contributes, as long as she pulls her own weight. It would only be an issue if she had no ambitions, no desire to ever improve her situation, and not even any domestic skills to contribute in that way, and instead just lazed around 24/7. Brokeness is not a dealbreaker, but laziness is. And provided she played video games a hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 04:40 PM
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If a guy is meh but has an attractive personality, then he will be hot. How would you feel if your partner described you as physically "meh"?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 03:30 PM
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We don't give a rat's ass how "female sexuality works". Still, no self-respecting man wants to be with a woman who didn't find him physically attractive initially and needed to "make up for it" with other traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 01:58 PM
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Ive never heard it in these exact words, but I've heard it phrased as "I wasn't atrracted to my BF at first, but I grew to find him attractive after getting to know him.". It doesn't sound as harsh, but it's the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 03:58 AM
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Dressing modestly isn't a matter of objective ethics. It's about being considerate of your partner's feelings while in a committed relationship. If your partner genuinely doesn't give a shit what you wear, then it doesn't matter. I like wearing tank tops sometimes, but I'd stop if my partner asked me to. If I ask my partner to stop showing cleavage, but she doesn't ask me to stop wearing tank tops and I continue to wear them, that doesn't make me a hypocrite, because I would've stopped if she as…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 07:34 PM
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Oh come on. When men complain about women's standards being too high, they're not saying women should tolerate abuse. They're saying women should aim for their own league when it comes to looks, money, status, etc. In fact, the complaint is usually that women are too picky about the wrong things and, at the same time, not picky enough about the right things (ya know, like being a good person and not showing signs of aggressive or potentially violent behavior).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:08 PM
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Oh how I wish that were true. But that's increasingly not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 07:07 AM
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But even conceding that the guy in question is potentially dangerous, the concept of a "go bag" still makes no sense. If your partner is dangerous enough to warrant packing a "go bag" for the hypothetical possibility that he becomes abusive in the future, he's dangerous enough to leave RIGHT NOW. The "go bag" should exist for maybe an hour before it immediately gets used. Not sitting in a closet for months or years.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 07:04 AM
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I cannot think of an ethical case that is both sound and valid from an egoist perspective That's the thing: there's not. But that shouldn't be the criteria for a good ethics case, because egoism is an evil philosophy. I'm not gonna lie and tell you that being chaste is the most self-serving choice you can make. It's not. The most self-serving choice is to slut it up to your heart's content and then insist on settling down with a virgin to curb your own jealousy without giving a damn about theirs…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 04:08 AM
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There's not necessarily an ethical case for waiting until marriage specifically. However, there is a case for waiting to have sex until you're absolutely certain that your current partner will be your life partner: it eliminates any retroactive jealousy whatsoever from the relationship, for both parties. And jealousy is the root of a lot of issues that plague relationships. Really, it's both a practical case and an ethical case. It's practical in that it increases the likelihood of success for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 10:16 PM
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both men and women have fewer than 10 sex partners on average in their lifetime Yeah... that's a lot. That's what I'd call "hookup culture". If most people were exclusively dating for LTRs and waited an appropriate length of time before having sex in each relationship, they'd maaaybe get to 5 by the time they're 50 if they had really bad luck with romance. And if you're still single by that age, it's pretty much over. Most people should be settled down with their life partner by 30, and have had…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 05:19 PM
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My point with slavery was that just because the societal consensus at one point in time was that 'x' thing was morally acceptable, does not mean 'x' thing is actually morally acceptable. You see the historical change in attitude toward abortion (assuming you're even correct about that) as a cynical attempt to grift votes, while I see it as a subset of society correctly waking up to the fact that abortion is murder, and thus morally wrong. If abortion is not a losing issue for conservatives, then…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:38 PM
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no one thought it was murder until conservatives in the last 100 years No one thought slavery was wrong until they did. it was a good way to get voters on their side That makes zero sense. Abortion is a losing issue for conservatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 07:48 PM
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how are you against murder without being religious?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 07:16 PM
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did you know catholic saints performed abortions and they were considered miracles? Ok? Idgaf. I'm not religious. also under your rules men should have to start paying child support at conception and also bear 100% of the financial responsibility of pregnancy/labor/delivery Sure, I'm fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 06:06 PM
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Admittedly, no, not really. For my entire life, I have always solely wanted a LTR/marriage, and have been strongly opposed to casual sex. However, I went to a very small college that had a very skewed gender ratio, so there weren't many options. And I found that the few women I was able to get to know had very incompatible values and lifestyles. Not to mention that I had a very rigorous workload my entire time in college, and this was during covid lockdowns, so I was only fully on campus for lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:02 AM
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In fact I think that now that abortion is becoming illegal in red states, pre-birth child support should be allowed to be in-forced at the mother’s request Your terms are acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 07:49 AM
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I am pro-life and believe abortion is murder. I also believe that both parents have a responsibility to provide for their children. So from my perspective, allowing abortion and allowing fathers to deprive their children of financial support are both ethical violations. Thus, while I might agree that eliminating child support would make for a fairer arrangement between the sexes, it's a less ethical arrangement, because it's just adding another violation of ethics to the one that already exists.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 07:46 AM
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I’ve done several sports and volunteer stints. Would you be comfortable being approached in these places? There’s friends of friends or colleagues/coworkers Would you be comfortable getting "set up" with a friend of a friend? Or conversely, would you be comfortable "setting up" a male friend with a female friend if he asked you to?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 05:33 AM
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What's a guy supposed to do then if he's already graduated college, and is now in an all-male workplace?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 04:01 AM
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women only engage in penetration for their partner, that it does very little for them and that only digital and oral stimulation are enough I've literally never heard this. I've heard plenty of discussion about whether penetration is enough on it's own or if both penetration and clitoral stimulation are necessary, but never that penetration is non-essential. Also, it's laughable that you think women, especially women on this sub, would lie to protect men's insecurity. Not only do they not give a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 09:03 PM
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There are visible traits and invisible traits that determine if someone is a desirable partner. Preselection is only a necessary strategy when evaluating the invisible traits. And compared to women, men evaluate potential partners on fewer of those invisible traits, while also prioritizing visible traits over the few invisible traits we evaluate at all. Men are more territorial due to the threat of paternity fraud. Therefore, even insofar as men would rely on preselection for evaluating the few …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:43 PM
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Exactly. If "government-mandated spouses" could solve the problem, prostitution would have already solved it. Also, I don't think I've ever heard a single person unironically advocate for such a thing. I don't know where the fuck blue pillers are getting this from.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:51 AM
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Ok? I don't live in medieval Transylvania or whatever the fuck. I live in 2023 America. So what does that have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:47 AM
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Why don't feminists just stick to dating male feminists? There simply aren't enough to go around. People tend to forget about/underestimate the political divide between the sexes. I don't know off the top of my head what the actual figures are, but let's say 60% of women lean left, while 60% of men lean right (I think that's in the ballpark). The remaining 20% of left-wing women and 20% of right-wing men can't get partners with matching values. They'll either have to date each other or not date …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 12:25 AM
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Men should be shamed for sexual promiscuity too. That said, it's primarily the responsibility of women to do so, being the gatekeepers of relationships and sex. As a man, I have far less sway over how other men behave. And women are by and large failing at this (or they just don't care to).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 04:56 AM
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So all countries then Yes. Now you're getting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 07:06 PM
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Again, any country whose existence relies on violating the autonomy of its citizens deserves to get wiped off the map. And I never signed any "social contract". So you can take it and shove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 07:57 AM
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If a country's values don't inspire enough patriotism to get enough men to voluntarily fight for it, and it instead has to rely on forcing people to do so against their will, then it is a failure of a country that doesn't deserve to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 07:34 AM
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and sending women to fight and die in war is one of the stupidest things a population can do Who said anything about sending women? We shouldn't be sending anyone against their will.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 07:29 AM
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Well I was looking for something more specific, but if you want to speak generally, yes I try my best to offer things in a relationship that women find valuable. I take care of my appearance, I put a lot of effort into grooming and fashion. I try to "hold up my end of the deal" so to speak, when it comes to gender roles. I don't do casual sex. I'm very loyal in relationships, don't check out other women, etc. Does that answer the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:41 AM
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Depends. What exactly would that entail?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:34 AM
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A LOT of people only parrot views because they think that’s what they’re supposed to say. But the thing is, I find that sheep-like behavior even more repulsive than being an actual bona fide communist. I actually do want a woman who can think for herself--and I still get labeled a "misogynist" (lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:12 PM
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Idk any Russians, and I'm not sure about there being that many in Seattle. But the Latinas and Filipino women I know are every bit as far-left as everyone else. Seattle is notorious as one of the most progressive cities in the country, and I think it's still massively understated just how much of an utter monolith it is here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:33 AM
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It’s almost like you’re looking for a girl to be a pick me and say “I’m not like those girls” Yes. Yes I am. "Pickmes" rule. Men love women who cater to our needs and preferences. Shocker, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:24 AM
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surely not every NYC girl is a basic liberal drone Haha, good one. I guess I can't speak for NYC, but in Seattle, it is in fact every. single. one. It's even hard to find male friends with similar views, not that it's all that important for just friendships (it certainly is for relationships though).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:12 AM
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taking for granted that you can make male friends I guess so yeah. Come to think of it, I've never gone much out of my way to make a male friend. They all just kinda happened. I just made friends with the first people to talk to me anytime I entered a new space. But I guess that's only the case because I have a lot lower overall requirements for a friend than a partner (appropriately, imo). For instance, a partner needs to be physically attractive to me, but I have no reason to care what a male …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:14 AM
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The opposite sex, but not in the way you might think. It's not from a place of hate. I'm a heterosexual male, so I basically see all women as potential romantic partners, at least initially (until something disqualifies them, after which I view them the same as men for all intents and purposes). And obviously, I'm gonna hold potential romantic partners to a higher standard than anyone else. Basically, anytime I see or meet a woman, my brain starts an automatic process of assessing their traits f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:37 AM
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If that's what you mean, then a better way to phrase it would be "treat women like individuals". Telling men to "treat women like humans" implies that you think men treat women as non-humans, not that you think men treat women as a collective.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:40 PM
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Sounds more like you're hunting for replies from trads Not even. I'm trad (mostly) and I still agree with those statements. I just have certain lifestyle preferences for myself and my prospective partner, but I don't want to restrict anyone else's choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 08:02 PM
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You're 100% right. Online dating sucks. It's rigged. Complete, utter waste of time. ... But what the fuck else am I supposed to do? Saying this as a guy who is no longer in college, has already extended my existing social circle as far as it will go, and is in a 100% male workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 05:53 AM
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"Good" and "bad" is subjective, but I think most men and most women are becoming increasingly incompatible with each other. This is just one example, but look at the massive political divide between the sexes. I'm pretty sure sex is the 2nd best predictor of someone's political views, 2nd only to urban/rural.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:38 PM
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and thoughts about feminism Yeah... this only works if you have the "right" (wrong) thoughts.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:01 AM
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If you are in a more conservative area, expect more weight Could've stopped there lol
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 07:59 AM
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Not to victim blame, and obviously she's a POS and he deserves sympathy, but I think it's to be expected that if you date someone significantly out of your league physically, the likelihood of your partner cheating is much higher. And she has "cheater" written all over her. You could spot it from a mile away. This would be much more black-pilling if she was his looksmatch and was a sweet, demure girl who dressed like a librarian, and yet still cheated. Because that would mean it could happen to …
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 08:56 PM
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I think people unfairly demonize "fast fashion". Even the shittiest knock-off clothes from AliExpress will probably last a year before they start to look visibly distressed, let alone "falling apart". An article of clothing doesn't need to be a life-long investment. Chances are, fashion trends/your personal taste will change, and you'll want to update your wardrobe before "fast fashion" clothes expire anyway. What's important is looking presentable, fashionable, in-touch, and high-effort. Not ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 02:26 AM
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Yes, that is indeed what I said. Thanks for repeating it. Now did you have an actual argument, or?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 02:12 AM
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Thousands? Do you shop exclusively at Gucci? Or have a few hundred unique outfits? For an adequately-sized wardrobe consisting of new clothes from mid-level mainstream brands, I'd expect more like $500-1000. I could afford to pay for that, and I only work 30 hrs/wk on slightly above minimum wage--at least over the course of two months if not one. I'm not the type to ever date a woman who dressed provocatively in the first place, but if I ever somehow found myself in that situation, I'd gladly bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 12:56 AM
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Are you going to foot the bill? Why even say this? It's clearly a bad-faith offer. Most guys would happily agree, yet that wouldn't change your stance, would it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 09:35 PM
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I agree that a piece of paper issued by the government is a silly concept and shouldn't be necessary for a marriage to be considered legitimate. ...so just call yourselves married and be husband/wife, paper or not. Still no reason for this "partner" nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 07:26 PM
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The expectation for men to uphold their traditional roles in relationships/marriages never went away, like it did for women. So being a "trad-husband" is just the default for us, and nothing worthy of a "movement" with special hashtags.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 06:25 AM
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Holy cope. He literally looks just as fat in the 2nd pic as he did in the 1st. And women, especially young women LOVE skinny dudes. "Ottermode" is like the ideal body type as far as most women are concerned. Sure, being fit is better than being scrawny, but the vast majority of women would take a scrawny dude over a tub of lard with no hesitation.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 05:53 PM
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Dude what are you talking about? He's fat as fuck in all of his pictures.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 11:28 PM
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No, 5/10 is the theoretical median between the most attractive appearance possible and the most unattractive appearance possible. Someone who is 5/10 is just normal and inoffensive, but not particularly attractive or unattractive. Being fat, facially unattractive, and receding are all negative traits that put someone below 5/10. In America, and some other countries, a majority of people are under 5/10, by virtue of being fat, alone, but that doesn't change the definition of what constitutes a 5/…
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 08:33 PM
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He's not average. He's fat, has a high hairline, and kind of a goofy-lookin face. Ok, he's statistically average, but he's not a 5/10. He's a 3/10. I still agree with your broader point though. 5/10 thin men with normal, inoffensive faces and normal hair are apparently not seen as good enough by looksmatched women. This is just a bad example.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 07:39 PM
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This is all well and good as a guide on how to cold approach appropriately, but I remain unconvinced that cold approaching can realistically lead to a serious long-term relationship anyway. One of the most important things in a relationship is having common interests, and there is no way to gauge that when cold approaching random women at grocery stores, etc. So you might have to go on 20, maybe even 50 first dates before you find a woman who shares anything at all in common with you. You're dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 11:02 PM
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Women who are at least average-looking, share my values, hobbies, and lifestyle, and match my experience level are seemingly very rare. I'm not interested in the few women who are in my existing social circle (see #1 above), and now that I'm out of college and work partly from home and partly at an all-male day job, I'm at a complete loss as to how to expand my social circle any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:15 AM
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4 I met at social events What kind of social events?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:56 AM
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I didn't ask for vague generalities. Exactly how many friends do you have? Where/how did you meet each of them? How many of them are single women? And also, how are you defining "friends" here? How often do you hang out with the friends you met off FB marketplace?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:45 AM
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Yes, in "my" world. Otherwise known as the world. most friends I have now weren't made that way Oh yeah? How then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:39 AM
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There are none. For all this talk about hobby groups, volunteering, and happy hour board games, NOBODY actually does any of that shit. Especially not women. 99.9% of people's social lives consist entirely of people they met through high school, college, and work. If you didn't naturally form a lasting social network that includes multiple single women through one or more of those avenues at the time, then it seems you are just shit out of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:34 AM
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This is why you've just gotta stop fucking listening to women dude. If you're interested in a woman, approach her. IOIs or not. Provided you don't actually do anything illegal or act like a downright psychotic creep, even if it's awkward or you make her "uncomfy", it's not the end of the world and she'll get over it. The hard part is actually finding places where you can get to know women so you can find out if you're interested in them and have opportunities to approach them if you're out of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 09:01 PM
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Which East Asian country is this, exactly? Asking for a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 09:49 PM
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Greater male variability hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:57 AM
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She has been pretty honest about not really being interested in me at first. I won her over, over time lol. I think she was screwed around by a few assholes before me and she was finally ready for someone who wasn't going to half-commit. 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 07:00 PM
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Sorry, I don't see how that relates to my comment?
/r/AllPillDebate29/09/23 03:29 PM
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Do you have a source on "the vast majority of break ups are initiated by women"? I've heard that before with regard to divorce, but not with break ups in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 03:23 PM
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I have two possible theories on that: Everything I said above only applies if a woman genuinely desires her partner. The current divorce initiation stats are a remnant of a time in which women were subject to more societal pressure to get married, so many of them settled for marriages with men they didn't actually desire. But nowadays, it seems women have collectively decided to no longer do that, which is why sooo many men are receiving absolutely zero attention from women. Women aren't actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 03:22 PM
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I remember that old meme floating around on the internet like 10 years ago, that went something like "Men are easy to get, but hard to keep. Women are hard to get, but easy to keep." I think there's a lot of truth to that. I think women can be very fiercely loyal to their long-term partners, once they've decided they're worthy/high value. But many women's standards are very high initially and they make themselves extremely unavailable to men in general. If you actually pay attention to the compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:43 AM
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I think they are on average slightly more susceptible to societal pressures/more conformist. So their views and personality are shaped by their environment and the dominant culture to a somewhat larger degree. It's not entirely their fault though, because there's a biological/evolutionary reason for it. In a primitive, tribal society, there could be violent consequences for non-conformity. And a violent reaction from the tribe, or even just banishment from the tribe would pose a far greater risk…
/r/AllPillDebate29/09/23 07:15 AM
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Yes, I hate tattoos on women. Some aren't as bad as others, but I dislike even the most tasteful ones. And for pretty much all of the reasons you listed. Do you feel the same about tattoos on men? I don't care whether men have tattoos or not because I'm not gay. Therefore, I have no reason to care.
/r/AllPillDebate29/09/23 05:13 AM
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Also why on earth would you want to date the women here? lol. If following their advice gets you women like them, you should literally do the direct opposite of everything they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 07:08 AM
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Think of it like a machine learning model. You are the model. The training data is just people you talk to day-to-day. The first few girls are the validation set, where you actually classify new data as success or failure. Then you tune your hyperparameters until you find the optimal ones and then you are ready for the test set, which is a different set of girls. Man, the male loneliness epidemic really does just boil down to autism, doesn't it? 🙃
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 07:05 AM
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Maybe, but it was still the right thing to do. Nobody deserves to be with a partner that thinks they're "mid".
/r/AllPillDebate21/08/23 10:37 PM
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Yeah, fair enough. The girl with more prior partners is probably going to be better at sex in general, and is going to be able to be taught how to please you more quickly. My broader point was just that it isn't really a good reason to avoid an inexperienced partner, especially if you intend to stay with them for life, because you'll have all the time in the world to learn how to meet each other's needs. And having other previous partners isn't an outright requirement for having a satisfying sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:52 AM
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I agree that porn sets unrealistic expectations because much of it is camera work, being shot in multiple takes, heavy editing, etc. And it's delusional for men to expect completely inexperienced women to be great at sex right away. But I disagree with that last part. If we are just talking about skill in bed that's achievable for normal people, then it's pretty much to be expected that both partners will get better over time. And number of previous partners has nothing to do with it. If one gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 12:47 AM
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Yeah, there are definitely some hypocrites out there. It's one of the issues I have with the red pill. But I think most men who expect their partners to be virgins are also usually virgins themselves and just want someone with the same experience level.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 08:19 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 08:11 PM
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dark brown or black (and looong) blue or green 5'0 ish "slim thick", wide hips, big butt, big boobs less than less than no minimum, I'd start to get concerned around 5+ must be 0 agnostic straight 18-23 (I'm 22) libertarian would be ideal, but conservative would be fine too
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 07:54 PM
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Yep. And the few true femcels there are self-admittedly ridiculously obese and/or ugly, because that's what it takes for a woman to be involuntarily celibate. Whereas plenty of perfectly healthy and normal-looking men are involuntarily celibate.
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 08:23 AM
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Besides lifting being the highest calorie burning exercise you can do That's just not true. Pretty much any type of cardio burns wayyy more calories than lifting. and something that is done outside of the home. Less time spent inside doing dumb shit, more time in public I guess that's valid though. But I mean, in my experience, the gym isn't a very social place. Everyong just has their earbuds in and is focused on their workout. And although it does get you outta the house, there's gotta be plen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 11:54 PM
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That's an issue I take with the RP. Lifting doesn't directly cause weightloss. Yes, having more muscle mass helps with losing and maintaining a lower BF% in the long run because it raises your metabolism, but the quickest way to lose weight, right now, is to just eat much less calories. The 5'9/197 lbs "average" man would benefit much more from losing body fat than he would from gaining muscle that can't even be seen under all that lard. In fact, if he started lifting first, he'd actually gain s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 11:20 PM
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Well of course you wouldn't have a problem with it, because they can't. It doesn't work like that for men. Men can only get casual sex with women less attractive than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:45 PM
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There’s no such thing as a “fair pairing” Yes there is. It may be difficult to discern exactly what constitutes a fair pairing, but an objectively fair pairing absolutely exists, at least conceptually. Just like how there has to be a set, finite number of stars in the universe, we just don't have the means to count them all. Our perception of reality may be subjective, but reality itself is objective. What do you want women to do about men valuing sex over most everything? Nothing. It's not wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:38 PM
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If casual sex is all you will ever want, and you have no plans of ever getting married or settling down in a LTR--then you should. Have at it. But if you're a 4, you will never get a LTR with an 8. Eventually you will have to settle down with a 4, if a LTR is what you want. And he won't want you back if you've had a bunch of casual sex with 8s. So in that case, it would not be in your long-term best interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:24 PM
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Because women's SMV should reflect the actual reality of their attractiveness, in order to create objectively fair pairings between men and women. But instead, women's SMV is artificially inflated by men having higher libidos and engaging in simp behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:54 PM
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I didn't say you should. But what exactly is it that you want, anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:44 PM
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Why do you believe you should have a relationship with a woman who you put on the same level as you if women are judged on a completely different scale? Because that's how things ought to be. The fact that a woman has a higher SMV than her identical male counterpart is a problem that needs to be addressed/fixed. What does respect in a relationship look like to you? Loyalty. Trust. Consideration for my feelings, wants, and needs. Willingness to compromise. Honoring my boundaries. Being discreet a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:39 PM
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I'm not asking for a "Stacy" to treat me like a "Chad". I'm asking to be treated well by my female counterpart/"looksmatch". I'm not fat, with a 5-7/10 face. Therefore, my "looksmatch" is a non-fat woman with a 5-7/10 face. I want a LTR with one of these women, and to be treated with love, desire, and respect in that relationship. That's all I ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 04:29 PM
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None, cuz I'm 22.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 08:01 AM
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I think it's stupid, and if I'm totally honest, I question the intelligence of anyone who takes it seriously. But I suppose if a woman was perfect in every other way, I'd be willing to overlook it as just a silly little quirk of hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:53 AM
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Then how do you explain all the other women who manage to get LTRs in NYC? I'm sure gender ratio is a factor that makes things more difficult, but that alone can't outright prevent you from finding a LTR if you're doing everything else right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 05:26 PM
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Finding a man who will commit and want a woman exclusively for a ltr is hard to find. It's only hard to find if the way you present yourself makes men perceive you as not GF material. Or if you've allowed men to use you for casual sex in the past, souring the deal for any men who might've otherwise been interested in committing to you now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:07 PM
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I would be absolutely fucking thrilled. Does her desperation reduce her attractiveness? Well first of all, I wouldn't automatically interpret this as "desperation". I would just think "Oh, she's really into me and enthusiastic about spending time with me. Sweet!". And no, it doesn't reduce her attractiveness at all. If anything it greatly increases it. Being attracted to unavailability is almost purely a woman thing. When women worry that being "too available" will turn a guy off, that is them m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:58 PM
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The big secret is that most men want to date women who are shorter than them too. It goes both ways. Even short men. I'm 5'6, and the idea of being with a woman taller than me sounds emasculating. So we understand that aspect of women's preferences. Men rarely complain about women merely wanting men who are taller than them. That would be understandable--if that's all it was. What we are complaining about is the seemingly large contingent of tiny women (like 5'0) who insist on only dating 6'0+ m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:22 PM
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The problem with a gap in experience is that it's bound to cause a conflict in which the less experienced partner wants to try something that the more experienced partner has done before, but doesn't want to do again. And compromise is impossible in this scenario, because it either happens or it doesn't. Either way, one partner is going to resent the outcome. There's really no way to resolve a large gap in experience, so it's best that people just stick to their own level.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 03:38 PM
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Better yet, experienced women just shouldn't date men less experienced than them. People should date others within similar experience levels. A large gap in experience is just about as bad as a large age gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:32 AM
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I'm 5'6, so that probably eliminates about half, right off the bat. I'm in decent shape, have good hair, and have a face that probably ranges from average to above average depending on individual taste. So maybe 1/3 of the remaining 50 would think I'm their type. Of those 16-17 or so, probably no more than 5 would enthusiastically agree to a date, without knowing me beforehand, if I cold approached them. But I'd be lucky if it worked out with even 1 of those 5 after factoring in compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 07:25 PM
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I don't really care about pills. Im just trad for the most part, which has me agreeing or disagreeing with various pills at different times.
/r/AllPillDebate29/07/23 04:55 AM
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If I was my "ideal self", I would presumably have a GF/wife, so I would be free from the mentality of always being on the look-out for potential romantic partners and just treat women as if they were men. To answer the other question directly: I would choose a monogamous relationship rather than casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:57 PM
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Cool. Now let's say theoretically, this type of system was happening. It was in the early stages. A bunch of men started to notice it, but women were largely unconvinced and wrote it off as some conspiracy theory. What would it take for men to prove to you, personally, that it was real and happening?
/r/AllPillDebate22/07/23 02:21 AM
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Obviously, this would never work because men would instantly turn violent under these conditions, putting everyone -- especially women -- at risk. I agree, that is the likely outcome. But I'm curious as to whether or not you, as a woman, think men would be justified in violently resisting a system like this, if it were theoretically proposed and rapidly increasing in support and perceived normalcy.
/r/AllPillDebate22/07/23 01:26 AM
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I often hear that patriarchy and hustle culture and the long working hours made people not having the time to socialize or dedicating a plan to have babies Then why do the European countries that are always touted as being more egalitarian and having better work-life balance than the U.S. still have equivalent birthrates?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:53 AM
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She has sex with you by the third date Correction: she tries to have sex with me by the third date, and I reject it. Seems to me like we'd have very different values with regard to sex, which is a dealbreaker for me. Shame because she sounds otherwise great, but compatibility is extremely important.
/r/AllPillDebate14/07/23 06:00 PM
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I'd pick A. Even if we had sex at the absolute maximum frequency I wanted, it'd still only account for like 5% of the waking hours of my life, compared to the other 95% of the time I'd be looking at her and being (non-sexually) intimate. Besides, I have a below-average libido and I'm pretty easy to please anyway. Absolute worst case scenario, I have to take matters back into my own hands (or hand, rather), like I've already been doing just fine for almost 12 years. But now I've got a ridiculousl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:29 AM
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This isn't a controlled experiment, because you used Tinder/Bumble for the U.S., and OKCupid for the Philippines. I know Tinder charges money to change your location, so I understand why you didn't use Tinder for the Philippines. Not sure about Bumble. But you could've used OKCupid for both the U.S. and the Philippines, and compared those results. It also might be worth repeating the experiment in richer Asian countries like Japan or South Korea to rule out the possibility that they just want to…
/r/AllPillDebate12/07/23 04:07 PM
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some guys want a woman who is a virgin because they are also a virgin and they possibly want to wait till marriage I would fall in this category. I'm open to waiting until marriage, but I won't insist on it. That said, I probably wouldn't be comfortable with sex until after at least 2 or 3 years of seriously dating. As for what I think of them? It depends on their reasons for being a virgin, but I think it's often indicative of good moral character and having a high degree of self-control, which…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 12:17 AM
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I'm pretty sure "pump n' dump" specifically implies leading on a woman who wants a LTR, and lying to her about wanting the same in order to use her for casual sex and then dump her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 09:31 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure there's some. But I think the vast majority are chosen due to one or more of the traits I listed. The women who have "pickme" traits get picked. Crazy, right? You also have to keep in mind that we are talking about men who engage in "pumping n' dumping", i.e. bad, selfish men. If these types of men are choosing to have a LTR with a woman, it's probably going to be for self-serving reasons, rather than something virtuous and wholesome like "she won me over with her 17 rescued dogs …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 09:24 PM
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Yeah, I would agree with that. Men and women who engage in dual mating strategy deserve each other. Really, they should do everyone else a favor and date each other exclusively. I'd still say they're both pieces of shit though, assuming they've ever had casual sex with someone who wanted more at least. Perhaps not hypocritical in that case, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:06 PM
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I'd like to start with a disclaimer: Men who engage in dual mating strategy like this (that is to say, men who will pump n' dump one girl while LTRing another) are hypocritical pieces of shit, and women should not try to get LTRs with these men, and should instead appeal to men who are only interested in LTRs and don't do casual sex. But to answer your question, the reason why such a man would choose to LTR one girl over another is most likely because she exhibits some combination of "pickme" (I…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:51 PM
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If you did, you wouldn't know it. They're obviously not going to talk about their views openly IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 06:50 PM
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Men don't give a shit about Miss World, Miss Universe, and other pageants. We also don't really find fashion models attractive in general. These industries are all very "female-gaze" oriented. None of it is representative of what men find attractive in women. Give me a few hours and I will find you 20 random cashiers who are much hotter than any of the past Miss Worlds or Miss Universes. Plus, the overrepresentation of ethnic women among winners probably has a lot to do with virtue signaling on …
/r/AllPillDebate25/06/23 06:09 PM
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A lot of the times when women say they've "had no luck romantically", they mean they keep getting pumped and dumped. They aren't using the male (and imo more accurate) definition of "had no luck romantically", which is having gotten literally zero attention from the opposite sex in any way, shape, or form.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:17 PM
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They also might not mean beautiful in terms of looks. Why use "beautiful" to describe anything other than aesthetics then? Just say what you actually mean and say Lizzo is kind, or smart, or funny, or whatever. Do you understand how someone might think you mean Lizzo has good looks when you call her "beautiful", since that's, ya know... what that word means? What is this insistence lately on trying to change the meanings of words and deliberately obfuscating and blurring the lines?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 08:29 PM
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Among the younger generations this simply isn't true anymore. At this point excluding women with nose rings is like excluding women who wear pants. I agree that it has become much more normalized, unfortunately. But you're being way too hyperbolic. It's a perfectly reasonable requirement, and there are plenty of women who still don't have them. And the fact that more people are starting to get them does not mean that it has become less indicative of low quality in a person. It just means that mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 04:26 AM
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What's wrong with a nose ring in one nostril? It's not as ugly as a septum ring, but I still don't like the look of it, and it's always a certain type of person who gets them I've met plenty of nice, conservative, Christian girls who had a nose ring. Yeah, me too. And they were all "fuck me in the ass cuz I love Jesus" types.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 11:47 PM
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To be totally blunt? Only a slut would get them. You would only go out of your way to "adorn" those parts of your body if you expect them to be seen often. For other piercings, like nose or face piercings, it's not that it's indicative of promiscuity, rather it's indicative of differing values, delinquincy, being disagreeable and rebellious (in a bad way)--and just looking ugly in and of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 07:14 PM
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Other than the ones you listed, I'll add politically left/liberal, feminist, unnaturally colored hair, tattoos, and piercings (other than ears).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 07:02 PM
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Who do you think is going out of their way to write scripts that deliberately portray American women in an "inaccurately" negative light? What could be the motive for such a thing? Don't you think it's more likely that these scripts simply arose organically from a culture in which women really do act like that? And what does it say about American women that they eat it up without protest, and in many cases imitate it, rather than saying "wait a minute, wtf is this bullshit?".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 04:04 PM
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- Physically attractive. Usually having at least an average face, not being significantly overweight or underweight, and having long hair and being feminine is good enough for me. - Similar values. Usually being politically right-of-center is a good catch-all for this. - Similar lifestyle. Same sexual history as me, no children, no smoking, drugs, or excessive drinking, not a partier, no tattoos or piercings (other than ears), etc. - Similar hobbies/interests. She's gotta be into T.V./movies, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 04:58 PM
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That's because they are. Or some other kind of similar medication.
/r/AllPillDebate21/05/23 05:18 AM
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It's been posted on this sub before, but here: https://imgur.com/HGlnCTJ
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:02 PM
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But, we also know that most young women still have no problems getting relationships or having regular sex. Do we know that? Because the most recent studies released tell us the opposite. That sexlessness has risen even more for both genders, and the number of sexless women have actually surpassed sexless men. I think the sexless women are actually even more reclusive than the sexless men, because unlike the men, they aren't even socializing online through things like video games, OLD, or Reddit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 09:37 PM
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this is a very narrow group of people aged 18-23 The precise age range of people who were perfectly aligned to miss almost their entire college experience due to covid lockdowns are having way less sex. Crazy! Who could've predicted that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:18 AM
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- My wardrobe is mostly skater/athleisure. Still clean, new, and fashionable, but I know most women prefer business casual/dressier outfits. - Some women might not like that I have my ears pierced. - Lately, I've been rocking a short goatee, whereas going clean-shaven or having a regular full beard would probably have broader appeal with women. - I wear cologne I like the smell of. But Idk if it's necessarily what women like most or not. - My right-wing political views are not exactly popular wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:00 AM
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Wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 03:21 AM
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I should clarify, I wasn't necessarily speaking to who has it easiest in all aspects of life. I was only speaking to who has it easiest in dating, at least in any country where women aren't literally just forced to marry whoever their parents want them to. Having said that, I maintain that women of all races have it easier than their male counterparts, specifically in that aspect of life, within the West or any reasonably free society.
/r/AllPillDebate17/04/23 11:37 PM
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but if he were busy and under a lot of stress i'd up them to 11 Would he not do the same for you? What I'm getting at is this: Unless there is something you do for him that he does not do for you, at all, then he is objectively bringing more to the table in your relationship by outearning you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:08 PM
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bake or cook favorites of his if i have the time This is the only thing you listed that could be considered "extra" that would reciprocate his outearning you. The rest are very basic expectations for both partners in a relationship. Unless your partner doesn't listen to your venting, encourage you, offer you space if needed, or be patient and understanding with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 03:51 PM
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Here's my theory: Women of every race have it easier than their male counterparts, including white women. So although white men have it easier (in dating) than men of other races, they still don't have it as easy as white women. So despite being able to date white women, the power balance of the relationship is against their favor. Whereas if they date women of other races, they get to feel like the power balance is in their favor. Which is healthier for everyone, considering women's hypergamy.
/r/AllPillDebate17/04/23 07:44 AM
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I doubt it, because what possible reason could she have for being there? But even if I concede there are gf material women in the club, how many do you think there are? I'm guessing 1 in 50. Now what are the odds that the 1st, 3rd, 5th, etc. girl you talk to is that 1 girl? You might have to talk to 20 different women before finally getting to her. And how you are going to find out if each girl is gf material or not through casual conversation with a complete stranger, anyway? You might have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 07:48 PM
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Dude, we KNOW that bars and clubs have better odds than dating apps. The problem is that those places overwhelmingly attract women who live certain lifestyles that make them far from girlfriend material. So how does going to bars and clubs help men who are looking for LTRs?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:56 PM
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No, definitely not lol. I've never been in the position to explicitly reject a girl at all, in fact, but I have chosen not to pursue anything with a few girls that I either knew or suspected liked me, either due to appearance, incompatible values and lifestyle, or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 07:10 AM
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Absolutely not. Zero chance. Even if she was literally perfect in every other way. She could earn my respect as an individual for learning from her mistakes, and I wouldn't mock her for it, but I could not bring myself to actually date such a woman. The past simply cannot be undone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 11:43 PM
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I don't really watch her content, and I don't endorse sex work, but Belle Delphine really does have the most attractive face I've ever seen on a woman. Even the hundreds or thousands of Belle Delphine clones manage to make themselves 9s just by following her makeup routine. As for body type, "slim thick" is what I consider ideal. I'm sure you can find plenty of examples by googling that phrase. Though some of them will look fake. I'm referring to the more natural, less exaggerated ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:18 PM
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I ultimately wouldn't care what my partner wore, as long as it was clean and presentable, from the women's section (so not just straight up men's clothes), and not too revealing. My definition of "too revealing" is anything shorter than mid-thigh, anything transparent, and anything that shows too much cleavage (but that one's hard to quantify). I'm also not fond of crop tops, but that one might be negotiable. That said, I do prefer more feminine styles on women. My favorite outfit is probably a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:18 PM
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I'm a college senior in Washington state, graduating this semester. The lockdowns started during my 2nd semester of freshman year. From there, we were forced to be fully online for 3 semesters. I didn't get to return to campus until junior year, which was still hybrid, and campus was always a ghost town, and all extracurricular activities were completely dead. We finally went fully in person for senior year, but we are still required to wear masks most of the time, and people are still in a "pan…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:34 AM
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I might have actually had to think about it if a 6 in intelligence meant "just a tad smarter than the average reality T.V.-watching mouth breather". But if a 6 in intelligence is someone with a fairly useful bachelor's degree, then that's already plenty smart enough for me. So I may as well take the hotter one. No contest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 08:39 AM
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Hell, guy in the middle could probably get a 6 or 7 if he got a little leaner to get rid of his gut (unless thats from HGH or sth), got an actual hairstyle, and maybe grew a beard.
/r/AllPillDebate28/03/23 07:05 AM
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Uhh... yeah, they absolutely do. Wtf are you talking about? Have you been living under a rock? If I had half a penny for every time I've heard a woman complain about her male friends wanting to date/fuck her despite her wanting them to be platonic, I'd make Bezos look like a fucking street beggar.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:36 PM
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They kind of are through "body positivity" and condemning "fatphobia". But of course, it's only for women, and it's only coddling people over the aspect of their appearance that is least immutable, most caused by individual choices, and easiest to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:19 PM
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I'd say difficulty making platonic opposite sex friends is the one and only aspect of life in which pretty women really do have it harder than anyone else. But being hated by less attractive women is a non-issue for pretty women if they just form social circles with other similarly pretty women, which in my observation is what often happens naturally. People tend to surround themselves with others who are similar to them. Physical attractiveness is no exception. And in sex, romance, dating, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:16 PM
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I suppose it's less about showing respect, and more about not showing disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 11:43 PM
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Is general respect towards women or men any different to general respect to people? Yes, because there are certain fundamental differences between men and women (with individual exceptions/outliers of course). So when someone exhibits a general respect for men, they are usually respecting a separate set of traits than when they are exhibiting a general respect for women (though there will be some overlap). The reason I felt the need to mention that was because in my observation, there are a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 09:48 PM
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Is there any difference between care and romance? I mean, yes, they are two seperate concepts. But I don't have a very clear-cut delineation off the top of my head. They are difficult for me to separate personally. Being cared about is romantic to me. Regardless, care and romance are both vital in relationships, so I'm not sure it's really necessary to separate them. do you have a general respect for women? Yes, I would say so. There are certain traits that are very common among women, and/or in…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 06:59 PM
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- Lots of (non-sexual) physical affection. Things like clinging to my arm. Putting my head on her chest. Playing with my hair. Kissing me all over my face. etc. - Complimenting me often. Especially on my physical appearance. Reassuring me when I feel insecure. - Home-cooked meals. Especially right after coming home from work. Bonus points for wearing a cute apron and playing up the "housewife" fantasy. Being enthusiastically greeted at the door. Just consistently showing she is happy to see me i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 05:48 PM
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I don't have a horse in this race, but that doesn't contradict his claim. He's saying religious families are having more kids, and those kids will presumably be raised religious and become religious adults. So the next generation will have more religious people, in the future. But that's not going to be reflected in any current studies, because children can't really be polled.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 05:49 PM
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What would your ideal shift be? That men lower their relationship standards or that they raise their sexual standards? Raise their sexual standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 05:20 PM
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If she met the rest of my requirements otherwise, then sure. Those traits alone are not necessarily enough to be a dealbreaker. In fact, timidness, and maybe even boringness to a certain extent (since that probably means she's not a "party girl") are positives. Not being funny is definitely a flaw, so that wouldn't be ideal, but it's still not the end of the world. Most women aren't funny anyway. That's what guy friends are for.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 07:55 AM
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It's a bad thing that (many) men have two different sets of standards for sex and relationships, because: - It confuses women, because they by and large only have one set of standards that applies to both sex and relationships. So they don't understand that just because a man finds her attractive enough to fuck, that doesn't necessarily mean he finds her attractive enough to date seriously. So they get "pumped and dumped", hurt, and filled with baggage. - It causes said women to have an inflated…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:56 PM
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Like with anything else, they (we) should listen to someone who has as close as possible to what they want, and who is as similar to themselves as possible (age, personality, circumstances, etc.). Problem is it's not so easy to find someone like that, especially if what you want is uncommon. But if you do find someone like that, you should listen to them, no matter how much hate and vitriol they get from other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:44 PM
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I don't have the experience to definitively answer that question. But if I did, then yes, I think I would most likely compare my partner to previous sexual partners. To me, it seems impossible to avoid doing that, even if I tried not to. If I have a pizza, I'm inevitably going to compare it to other pizzas I've had, and I can't control that. So I imagine it would be the same with sexual partners. But maybe some other men here can confirm or deny. But regardless, that's not even the primary reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:46 PM
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Do men have an equivalent of "ghosts of cocks past"? Idk. You would have to ask women. Women here are constantly asking men to condemn other men for being promiscuous. And it's like, uhh... you're the ones choosing whether or not to date men, so that's for you to decide. How do women not get this concept? Men withold dating from women to influence women's behavior. Women withold dating from men to influence men's behavior. That's how it works. Men cannot influence each other's behavior for you--…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:19 PM
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It sounds like you're still a bit more lenient than I am. even in public one-one’s like lunch or something. I personally wouldn't be ok with this. It's too much like a date. One-on-one's with the opposite sex is a red line for me, regardless of whether it's in a public or private setting. You're absolutely right that spending the night is unacceptable. But I wouldn't be ok with it even in this case: I took this to mean, if there was something wrong with her car or unsafe weather Even in a true e…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 12:52 AM
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I'm ok with my partner having a mixed-gender friend group, and hanging out with male friends in group settings. But I would be uncomfortable with her having a male "best friend", or hanging out with any male friends one-on-one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 09:41 PM
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I'd say they are more or less looksmatched. They are both non-fat and have average looking faces that are neither particularly gorgeous nor ugly. His hair loss obviously works against him, but the fact that he seems significantly taller than her and he is clearly quite physically fit, while she just has a normal body type that's not particularly fit or overtly "sexy" is enough to offset that, imo.
/r/AllPillDebate14/03/23 02:19 AM
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If they allow me to input a comprehensive list of non-negotiable requirements that they actually strictly adhere to when selecting a match for me, then sure, it's worth a shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:13 AM
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There are ridiculously few men who get that many matches. And even if you asked them how many of those matches actually led to meeting up, I bet it's very few.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:29 AM
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I don't know what you mean by "mental pleasure points". I think what's happening is you're projecting female sexuality onto men. Either our dick gets hard or it doesn't. That's male sexuality. You're overcomplicating the shit out of it. But regardless, this is not a scenario I can really answer to because I can't even entertain the notion of it ever happening. Because I will only have sex with my life partner, and my life partner must be a virgin (again, for reasons completely unrelated to my se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 08:21 PM
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Yeah, well I'm glad you think you know how men feel better than we do. I'm telling you: My dick does not get hard when a woman mentions she's a virgin. Instead I consciously think "Oh, she would make a good long term partner." You can believe me or not. I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:37 PM
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I’m talking about the men who value it for the reasons I said. Ok, fair enough. But my point is that men who value innocence and purity for sexual/hedonistic reasons are rare, and that most of the men you encounter online who harp on innocence and purity are more like the type that I described in my comment. Are the men you’re talking about also “innocent”? Yes. if they’re not they’re not suitable for a LTR. Agreed. Good thing that's not the case though, and this is a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:33 PM
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People here mistake the average man as a normal weight, plain faced, $50k - 60k income Then the OP is wrong about only below average men struggling. Because there are plenty of men like you described who are also struggling, despite them being technically "above average", if the "average man" is a tub of lard like you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:29 PM
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Average, below average, above average--it has almost nothing to do with it. The men who are struggling are the ones who don't have a large, active, coed social circle. That's all there is to it. It's become much more of an issue recently because the tech industry has exploded, and that's where most young men are choosing to work. But the tech industry has virtually no women. So if these men didn't form lasting social circles in university, they are fucked because that was their only chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:26 PM
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Your entire premise is built on a complete misunderstanding. Men who value innocence and purity don't value it because it arouses them sexually. They value it because it's a good trait for a suitable long term/marriage partner. And we also just so happen to want to have sex with our partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 06:26 PM
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I don't think she has impacted it much. My mother is great. But she is of a different generation. There is an extreme shortage of women like her my age. I guess if anything, she has given me high expectations for a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:18 PM
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I wouldn't call this a pickme. More like the direct opposite. I mean, she's explicitly throwing shade at women who seek male validation, which is what being a pickme is all about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 07:16 PM
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Yes, most prefer hyperfeminine women, absolutely. I was just saying that when a minority of men talk about liking "tomboys" what they're picturing is a more or less conventionally attractive/feminine woman who performs as a "tomboy". Belle Delphine is a perfect analogy. They like the Belle Delphines of tomboys. Another analogy is that meme where it says "women like nerds" and it's just a Chad with glasses. Men who like "tomboys" like Stacys in jeans and boots. But in your second point, i think y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:44 PM
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The thing you need to understand about the men who say they like "tomboys", is that what they're picturing in their head is still mostly within the confines of what I laid out above. When men say they like "tomboys", they are talking about women who are low-maintenance, "girl next door" types, with shoulder-length-ish hair, and who wears jeans instead of dresses (but still from the women's section), and most importantly, share his hobbies (like cars and sports usually). They're not saying they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:55 PM
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Nb4 those lowlifes come out of the woodwork to call you a "pickme" too for even acknowledging this lol. I think the reason it makes them so irrationally angry is because it raises the bar for them. They're trying to abuse their leverage to force men to date them without putting in any effort. But it's like big companies colluding to price gouge--it only works if they ALL do it. If even one woman steps out of line, it undermines the entire operation. So they have to use rabid shaming tactics to k…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:34 AM
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- Dressing in traditionally feminine clothing like dresses, skirts, blouses, tights, leggings, etc. Even if you want to wear jeans and t-shirts, being feminine means wearing ones specifically designed for women, and not just wearing unisex clothes or shopping in the men's section like many women do nowadays. - Long, natural-colored hair. - Diligent about hygiene and appearance. Has a skincare and haircare routine, wears girly perfume, paints her nails, etc. - Minimal or no tattoos or piercings. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 11:09 PM
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Absolutely not. I wouldn't even date a woman who smokes weed or cigarettes. Doesn't matter how hot she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 07:42 PM
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Twice a week is the minimum I'd be satisfied with, but 3 or 4 would be ideal. Of course, this is excluding legitimate, temporary, extenuating circumstances like medical issues, which I'd obviously be willing to work around. Chances are, I'll be most interested in regular PIV the vast majority of the time, but I still want oral and anal to be on the table. It's less about actually consistently doing them, and more about my partner being willing to do them with me. I'm not interested in constantly…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 08:10 AM
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What was the difference between FDS and pinkpill defined as in this survey?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 08:35 AM
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That was quite the refutation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:35 PM
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If you're accusing men of being jealous of women, aren't you admitting that your lives are easier than ours?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:27 PM
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That's not true. I just don't like about 80% of women. Compared to 60% of men. But the 20% of women that I do like, I REALLY like. More so than any men. And it's not even really that I dislike women per se. It's that I dislike leftists/progressives and sheep/conformists/people with herd mentality/people who don't think for themselves. Unfortunately these types of people just so happen to make up a much larger portion of women compared to men, in my experience. And women tend to not share as many…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 08:57 PM
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I think you're completely misinterpreting the "short king" phenomenon. It was not about women starting to actually desire short men, and they still largely don't, it was about encouraging short men to embrace "body positivity" to serve women's own posturing and virtue signaling, still without actually desiring them romantically or sexually. And it also came off as incredibly patronizing, at least to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 08:38 PM
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With 2-4 different guys? Yes, it absolutely does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:26 PM
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With the amount of women who think this, this, and that somehow "don't count", I'm starting to think us men need to reformulate the question as "How many penises have been inside your body?". Can't get any clearer than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:25 PM
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If you don't know your body count, you do in fact have a "rampant sex life". I'm not saying this to denigrate you, but you should know that most people would reasonably consider any number high enough that you could possibly lose count, to be a "rampant sex life". So it would be dishonest to tell someone that you don't have a "rampant sex life", because you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:21 PM
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You're still setting this up as a false mutual exclusive. Why should I settle for being seen as a someone who is "not eyecatching", but "good over time", when there are others who are both "eyecatching" AND "good over time"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:53 PM
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I'm not saying I have to be the most attractive man in the world. I'm just saying I have to be among the class of men that is naturally desirable, and who doesn't have to jump through hoops to be desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:42 PM
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I'm so sick of these stupid analogies. I'm not a fucking fruit, I'm a human being who wants to actually feel desired. If you're saying that's impossible then fine. But if that's the case then just about every man who is in a relationship with a woman has zero self respect. So I guess I'll die alone. Fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:40 PM
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They aren't mutually exclusive. I want my partner to instantly find me physically attractive, and then grow closer through experiences. I don't want her to initially find me "invisible" and then only later come to find me physically attractive through experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:14 AM
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I don't believe in lifelong romantic love Then I literally don't care what you have to say. There is nothing we can say to each other. Stopped reading there. It all makes perfect sense now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:34 AM
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"I'll age eventually anyway, therefore how my partner sees me for the next 20 years doesn't matter."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:33 AM
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It makes you a less valuable romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:14 AM
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Your analogy only works because you've removed everything about the situation that makes it personal. If a woman finds Guy A so attractive that she's practically begging him to approach her, but Guy B has to "convince" her to find him attractive, the implication is that Guy B is less attractive and less-than Guy A. Why on earth would you be ok with being Guy B to the person you love? Do you have no self respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:01 AM
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You're still not getting it. You said there are men who are invisible, and there are men that women find instantly attractive. If I start out as invisible, even if I somehow "make" myself equally attractive to her as the other guy by "getting her attention" (and I dispute that this is even possible), she has still fundamentally put me in the category of "guys who have to get her attention" as opposed to "guys who naturally already have it". She's put me in a less-than category. How can you not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 01:34 AM
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I don't expect anything near that. I simply expect a woman to find me enthusiastically attractive. I find this egregious and deliberate mischaracterization of my statements downright insulting and I'm done with this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 01:06 AM
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I disagree. There is absolutely something wrong with that. If someone is a "maybe" to you, then you don't actually enthusiastically like them. You are settling for them, by definition. You're just "giving them a chance". Meanwhile there are other people out there who you would be much more enthusiastic to date. I think everyone deserves to be someone's "yes", and should settle for nothing less. If you're telling me that's impossible, then I guess there's no point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 01:01 AM
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not so attractive that every woman who sees me instantly wants me to hit on them, knowing nothing else about me but my appearance. Why would I expect that I don't expect every woman to see me that way. But I do want my partner to see me that way. So just one. I don't distinguish between "cute" and "eyes bugging out-hot". I distinguish between "yes, I want to date her", "maybe", and "no". I think my "maybe" is more comparable to what you mean when you think "oh she's cute". And yes, there are a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 12:46 AM
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a very tiny amount of men are visibly noticeably attractive in the "OMG i wish he would talk to me!!" kind of way This is how all men want their partners to see them. The idea of my partner not seeing me that way is devastating, and makes me just want to never date at all, if that's really true. Do you expect men to just be okay with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 12:34 AM
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Right, but my whole point was that the women walking around don't want to be bothered.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 10:41 PM
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Sure, but to what end? What good does the social interaction actually do them if the only people they can interact with are other men who don't know any women to introduce them to either?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 10:22 PM
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Many men are not even motivated to leave the house. Maybe men would be more motivated to leave their houses if that actually offered them anything. But women don't want to leave the house either, and anytime they do, they don't want to be bothered.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 10:19 PM
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It all comes back to a lack of physical or (localized) online spaces where pursuing romantic relationships is socially acceptable. We used to have college, then the workplace, and church, malls/markets, and rec centers like arcades, bowling etc. But now we have an entire generation of people who missed out on half or more of their college experience due to covid lockdowns. The sexes are increasingly self-segregating by profession, with men flocking to trades and STEM, particularly tech, while wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 10:17 PM
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Sure, but it's not enough that a woman isn't currently partying. I don't want to be with a woman who has ever been much of a partier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:39 PM
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That would have been very clever if you were right. But no, I'm an artist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:24 AM
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Yes, I'm aware. But I was asking about specifics. Specific questions to ask. Specific things to observe. Look, if you have nothing to contribute, that's fine. It's not your fault. But I've gotten like 5 comments already saying "just get to know them", as if that's groundbreaking advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 12:26 AM
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Oh come on. People look for indicators of who someone is prior to getting to know them in order to avoid wasting time constantly. You look for common interests on dating profiles. You notice someone's wearing t-shirt with a band you like. And so on. How is what I'm asking any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 11:25 PM
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You're right about the latter statement, but unfortunately I do need to worry about it, because as a man, I am expected to initiate. If I don't initiate, nothing happens. So I need a method of identifying them so that I don't accidentally waste my time and energy approaching them. I do already have some methods, but I was curious if there's anything I've missed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 11:10 PM
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To piggyback off OP, I have one more additional question for you girls: How can men reliably identify you, in order to avoid? Sorry for the bluntness, but I promise you stand to gain by answering this question honestly, because it'll make incompatible men filter themselves out. You wouldn't want to date me anymore than I'd want to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 11:00 PM
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5th woman sounds great to me. Could u send her my way? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 01:08 AM
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I'm a virgin and I want the first woman I sleep with to be my life partner. I want her to be the first, last, and only woman I ever have sex with. I don't believe in serial "monogamy", I believe in actual monogamy. Needless to say, I certainly wouldn't have sex after every 1st date. Or 2nd, or 10th, or 100th. I'm not necessarily insistent on waiting until after marriage, but I want to wait at least until I'm 100% certain I will marry the woman I'm with, sometime in the future. If I were to start…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 01:05 AM
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I guess I'd rather be single, because then I'm at least not bound to someone and can pursue an actually good relationship if the opportunity ever presents itself. But I wouldn't be happy either way. In fact I don't even need to speculate. I'm already single and unhappy. I do think I'd be even less happy in the relationship you described though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:06 AM
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And more stylish glasses.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:57 AM
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Whatever dude. I don't see you providing any evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 10:05 AM
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That's literally provably factually incorrect. The polling group "Rating" conducted a survey of Ukrainian refugees currently living outside Ukraine, and found that only 8% of them planned to never return to Ukraine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 09:22 AM
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They'll go back.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 07:46 AM
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You might not have to decide between the two. Just move to Russia or Ukraine as soon as the war blows over. Neither you, nor anyone you know had to fight, but you get to reap the benefits. If you do it, lemme know how it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:36 AM
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We are talking about people in the dating stage. This was not made obvious with your initial comment. This was inserted post-hoc. And besides, a good definition would be applicable to all stages of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 09:11 PM
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My point is, if there is such an obvious loophole, then it's a shitty definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:10 PM
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So if I were to literally get married, and neither me nor my wife used social media at all, we wouldn't be considered "dating" and we'd both actually be considered "single" by your definition. Makes total sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 07:52 PM
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I think both are wrong, but I'll admit that same sex cheating would hurt me far less than opposite sex cheating. I think this is because typical opposite sex cheating has 2 harmful components: Lying/betrayal/violating the agreed-upon boundaries of the relationship. Territorial jealousy. Your woman's body has been defiled by another man. In the case of same sex cheating, however, the latter component doesn't exist, which leaves only the former. And the former elicits more of a rational reaction, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 07:43 PM
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looks like the government will be paying for the menstrual leave Then that's even worse. "The government" doesn't pay for anything. If it's said that "the government" pays for something, what that actually means is that taxpayers are paying for it. Let's assume taxpayers are 50/50 men and women. That means men are paying 50% of the cost for a policy they get zero benefit from. It's literally redistribution of wealth from men to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:06 PM
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Even if that's true (and I'm skeptical), that still means sex workers have double the propensity for mental illness than the average person. Half is double a quarter. Monthly use is nothing. We're talking about actual habitual Reddit users. So 52 million is the relevant figure, not 430 million. And that's pretty tiny when you consider that there arr 7.8 billion people in the world. But let's just look at Americans to make sure we're comparing apples to apples. 49.3% of that 52 million is America…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 12:48 AM
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Also capitalists don't necessarily hate unions. At least this one doesn't. Unions are the voluntary, capitalist solution to the exploitation of workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 11:19 PM
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Then it's a useless word because virtually everyone is a neoliberal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 11:15 PM
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True. Americans are not the only people on here. But they alone are 49.3% of people on here. While the 2nd largest nationality of users on Reddit is the UK at only 8.2%. And what reason do you have to believe that a larger percentage of women would be interested in using Reddit in any other country? Is there something in the water in Tajikistan that gives women there the irresistable urge to shitpost? And no, not everyone is mentally ill. Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 11:07 PM
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Reddit is niche... for women. Only 12% of adult women use Reddit. It's a pretty well known fact that sex workers display a ridiculously high propensity for mental illness. This study found that 48.8% of sex workers have been diagnosed with a mental health issue. That's just one factor and it's already clear that they are not at all representative of the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 10:57 PM
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Fair enough. So then you being a radical feminist is an outlier position of yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 10:24 PM
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Well sex worker subs are not a good example, because those women probably deviate from the norm even more than women on gaming subs, for instance. As for the others, I will concede that they are more representative of average women than more typical interest-oriented subs, but they are still not as representative as other, more mainstream social media sites like Instagram. Because although they are oriented to more mainstream, feminine interests, they are still hosted on a niche, non-conformist …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 10:23 PM
2

So what, ur like the female counterpart of the 2nd guy in the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 09:22 PM
1

As in the UK Tories? If so, they're just Labor-lite. There are no actual right-wing mainstream parties in the UK. Same with Canada, but maybe to a lesser extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 09:18 PM
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I'm predicting that more women will prefer the latter, just because women tend to care more about social policy than economics in general. This is true for right-wing women as well. They tend to be more preoccupied with religion, abortion, crime, and keeping kids away from "groomers" than lowering the top marginal corporate tax rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 09:16 PM
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You have "radfem" in your flair. You are definitely the target demographic. I promise. Don't overthink it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 09:12 PM
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Women on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and Snapchat are more or less representative of the average woman. But women on less main-stream, forum/thread-based, anonymous websites like Reddit and especially 4chan are not at all representative of the average woman. They're nerdier, more antisocial, less physically attractive, more politically and ideologically possessed, more mentally ill (or "neurodivergent"), and have more masculine/tomboyish hobbies and interests--compared to the average woman. Ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 08:51 PM
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I'm 22, and I'd be perfectly happy with a partner around my age. But I'm typically not attracted to women over 35, at all, whatsoever. And the closer a woman is to 20, the more attracted I am to her. But I have no idea how my sense of attraction might evolve as I age (if at all). Hopefully I will begin to find 35+ year olds attractive once I'm 35, but idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 05:47 PM
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I disagree. It's not any less of a turn off no matter how much "exclusivity" she "demonstrated". I will only date a virgin. That's simply non-negotiable. I don't care if it's "extreme" or "unrealistic". If I die alone, so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 05:35 PM
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I'd like my partner to be less Extroverted than me, significantly more Agreeable than me, equally or more Conscientious (Orderly) than me, roughly equally as Open as me, and slightly more Neurotic than me. I'm probably a 3 in Extroversion, a 2 in Agreeableness, a 4 in Conscientiousness, a 5 in Openness, and a 4 in Neuroticism, myself. So ideally my partner would be a 1-2 in Extroversion, a 5-6 in Agreeableness, a 4-6 in Conscientiousness, a 3-6 in Openness, and a 5 in Neuroticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 06:13 AM
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That's true, but that's a separate concern than the one you were talking about. Unless I misunderstood. I was just trying to tell you that it's silly to worry about getting used for sex as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 08:07 PM
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My point was that any line drawn is going to be arbitrary. Whether it's 10 minutes ago, a month ago, or 5 years ago. The only two consistent positions are that sexual exclusivity doesn't matter at all, or that sexual exclusivity matters from the moment you're born to the moment you die, both during and before your relationship. And luckily you will never have to worry about that, because if you are a guy, then there will never be a situation where you can get sex, but not a relationship. Once yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 08:03 PM
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Because the idea of the person I love having sex with someone else causes me devastating emotional anguish. It's that simple. But despite the simplicity, there is nothing I can do or say to get you to understand it if you don't experience it yourself. It would be like explaining the sensation of hunger to an alien species that doesn't need to eat. But what I will say is that people who expect sexual exclusivity starting at the instant you begin dating, but not prior to that (which is most people…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:25 PM
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I disagree that that's necessary, but for the sake of argument, I'll concede that it is. So then... why not work your ass off to save up money for surgery and bleaching?
/r/AllPillDebate16/02/23 01:10 AM
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In short: I don't give a flying fuck what other men do because I'm not trying to date them. I think being a deadbeat dad is contemptable behavior because it's bad for society at a broader scale, but it doesn't really directly impact me. If women don't want to date single fathers, I have no problem with that. But it's your responsibility to enforce that standard by discouraging single fatherhood so that hopefully there are less single fathers. But I can't enforce that for you. Same thing with dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 01:34 AM
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Fair enough. Thanks for clearing that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:21 AM
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This is a concern, but a concern that can't be avoided, because the alternative (dating a non-virgin) is simply not an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 09:41 PM
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Yeah... but you're dating Lizzo. Not worth it if you ask me. Especially if you have to be faithful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:50 PM
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I sure as hell wouldn't date Lizzo. Would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 08:07 AM
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That's not on you bro. If she was hugging you and especially holding hands, thinking she was into you is the only rational conclusion. Odds are she was deliberately sending mixed signals/stringing you along. It would be a different story if your evidence of her liking you was "her pupils dilated" or some shit. But holding hands is pretty unambiguous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 11:22 PM
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I don't think there's anything I've posted here that I don't at least stand by the spirit of. Obviously when you've posted as much as I have, there is bound to be a few comments that could have been phrased better, but that's the extent of it for me. Everything I've posted here, I truly believe. So if I come to find that my partner seeing it makes me feel anxious or ashamed, then that would be a good sign that I'm with the wrong partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 10:50 PM
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Everything you listed is a hobby. So all the potential role models involved in those hobbies probably only role model behavior that is directly related to those hobbies. But young men also need role models who teach them how to be a good man in general, with regards to things like character, morals, philosophy, hard work, courting, etc. A woodcarving YouTuber is not going to teach them those things. So unless someone else fills that niche, Andrew Tate (and people like him) will. We had that with…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 10:08 PM
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Not everyone is interested in sports. So what, young men who aren't interested in sports are just supposed to have no masculine role models?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 05:38 PM
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Rather than me try to haphazardly explain it and put it into words, just consume fanservicey media/entertainment that's heavily targeted toward men. You will passively pick up on it over time. That's the easiest, most sure-fire way to understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 08:55 AM
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More people than you expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 03:35 AM
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Obviously the answer is "dependent". But I don't understand why you are so hell-bent on demonizing the concept of dependency. Relationships are supposed to involve some degree of mutual dependency. Otherwise what's even the point? Why would you want to be with someone you can't rely on? Obviously it's bad if you're excessively dependent on your partner, and/or have no individuality. But if you're wholly uncomfortable with the concept of dependency within a relationship, then you're just not read…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:09 AM
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I think what's more embarrassing is your reading comprehension with how you managed to miss my entire point. Unhealthy mentalities can manifest in many different relationship preferences. I'm not saying that actual independence is an inherently negative trait. But there is certainly a contingency of people who stress "independence" as an important trait in a partner for unhealthy reasons. Just as with anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:33 AM
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???
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:00 AM
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I could just as easily ascribe unhealthy reasons for wanting an "independent" partner. Maybe they're cold and emotionally unavailable, and don't really want a relationship, but just a consistent source of sex. Or maybe they're the type to nickle and dime their partner over their financial contribution to the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:39 AM
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Exactly. We say "I don't wanna date a girl who goes clubbing and partying every weekend with her friend group of 17 frat bros to get shitfaced and do blow in the bathrooms". And then all the women here go "Well I guess you just don't want women with a social life."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:21 AM
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The way you all feel about Andrew Tate is exactly how us men feel about feminism, feminists, and major feminist figures. I don't like him, as a man, for precisely that reason. He and his fans say outrageous, controversial shit that obviously any self-respecting woman would take issue with, even traditional ones, and then when called out on it, they retreat to "We're just advocating traditional masculinity and male self improvement!". I mean, who could disagree with that right? It's a classic "mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 12:45 AM
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Yeah, my point is just that you didn't become more attractive because of aging, but rather because you improved enough in other ways to offset the detriments of aging.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:59 PM
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Did you lose weight, become more muscular, change your hairstyle, grow a beard, etc. between 20 and 38? Notice that I qualified it with: all else being equal
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:45 PM
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It has to be men's moral intuitions. We are physically stronger, so we ultimately decide what rules govern society. If enough men collectively wanted to overthrow our current society and replace it with a pre-enlightenment Afghani-style regime that subjugates women, we could do it today. The fact that this has not happened is itself evidence that it's not what men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:41 PM
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I think a good rule of thumb is that it's fair to make a generalization about a group if it applies to more than half of that group. But even then, you should still acknowledge that it's a generalization, and that there will be exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:28 PM
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Personally, I don't find any of the women you listed very attractive, especially if you look at more candid photos. And it's precisely because of their age, which I know because I looked up pictures of them when they were younger, and I did find those pictures attractive (Monica in particular). Provided, I am only 22, so maybe I would find them attractive if I was older myself. And I'm being totally honest, not trying to support some agenda. My take on the whole men vs women aging debate is this…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:24 PM
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Ok fair enough. But then how do you know that's not the case for most of the men in these comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 07:21 PM
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I'll give an example of a shit test that men do. Or at least that I do, and maybe other men will back me up on this. Although this is a little different in that you aren't deliberately causing it, just observing your partner's reaction to something that will inevitibly come up. Male friend groups usually involve a lot of teasing, often targeted at each other's masculinity. Sometimes a guy in the group will bring in his GF, and the guys will start playfully teasing him, and the GF, in an attempt …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 07:13 PM
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I should have been more specific. Do you think there are any legitimate reasons to want a partner who is a virgin, specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:57 PM
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Well what would be a "legitimate" reason, in your view, to pick the 1st woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:44 PM
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I'd choose the 1st woman. No contest. The idea of being in a relationship with the 2nd woman is absolutely repulsive to me. The goal of this post is to assess if men truly mean it when they tell that they don't care much about a woman's appearance and have extremely low standards But this is not true. I do care about appearance, and I don't have extremely low standards. It's just that I care about sexual history more, and average looks are good enough anyway. All it takes for a woman to be attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:29 PM
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For those who are about to argue, "Well 90% labor force participation isn't 100%! So it's possible to stay home as a man if you find the right 'girlboss' partner!". I guarantee that the 10% of men who aren't participating in the labor force are not househusbands. They're either homeless or single NEETs living in their mom's basement.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 08:16 PM
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The way I'm interpreting #1's description is that I still find her physically attractive, just in a low-key/low-effort way, and maybe less attractive compared to #2. If that's the case, I'll go with #1. Being lazy and less feminine definitely isn't ideal, but her being really into me and guaranteed not to cheat is enough to make up for that. But if I just don't find #1 physically attractive at all, then that's a deal breaker. But #2 not genuinely loving me is also a deal breaker. So if that's th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 08:06 PM
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I may be able to find this guy in the church. I agree. The only problem is that I'm agnostic and I think most religious men would prefer a religious woman. I have the exact same issue as an agnostic traditional guy looking for a like-minded woman. So if you ever find an answer, please share it with me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 09:38 AM
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I didn't say majority either. I said not many do it. As in, it's extremely rare, even in places where it's allowed. Who's putting words in who's mouth?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 09:35 PM
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Their whole point is that just because it's legal and was practiced in the Qur'an doesn't mean many people do it today. It was practiced in the Bible too. Probably in all other religious texts as well. I'm not religious, so I don't have a horse in this race. But that's just a bad argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 08:32 PM
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Based and tradpilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 08:26 PM
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trans-inclusive and gender role radical These positions are inherently contradictory. Implicit in the belief that you must literally change your gender (or attempt to do so) in order to be your true self is another, arguably regressive, belief that gender roles and stereotypes are what define gender. If gender roles are irrelevant and ought to be abolished, then there is no reason to attempt to change your gender. Because you would then be free to be your true self regardless of the gender you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 08:22 PM
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I would stay single for the rest of my life. If a gun is to my head, then go ahead and shoot me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 05:00 PM
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You keep repeating that you aren't physical with other guys as a justification, as if that matters. Even just talking to other men in a romantic context at the same time as your future partner is a horrible foundation for a long term relationship. Same with him talking to other women. You seem to have adopted multidating as a defense mechanism, but what you should have done instead is simply broken things off with any men who multidated as soon as you found out, and vetted against the types of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:51 AM
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Multidating is never a necessity. It just means you're too impatient to invest in one person at a time. Whenever I find out someone who posts here or on other dating advice forums is multidating, I always think to myself "Well no fucking wonder you're having issues."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:23 AM
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Christ. If you both multidate, then you deserve each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 03:12 AM
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He's using you and playing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 01:44 AM
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Intimacy is there in other, non-intrusive forms, and the person makes time for you in their life. They cook lunch once a week, will often bring you dinner. They actively plan on spending time with you and when you do it’s fun, exciting and just feels good. The two of you have good conversations, have a fair amount of common interest and Just overall enjoy one another. This sounds like more than enough to make me feel appreciated. And if a woman who I was interested in did these things for me, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 01:03 AM
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Yeah totally, because you know everything. You act like I haven't thought this through.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:42 AM
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Good. As long as she's a virgin. I like women who respect themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:37 AM
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There are dating apps exclusively for Christians, but nothing for secular traditional people. And I've also learned that being Christian isn't necessarily a guarantee that someone's also traditional anyway. But even if such an option did exist, no apps other than Tinder and Bumble even have enough users to be remotely useful, even in major cities. It is possible in theory to try to get to know someone online before going on an official date, but every time I've tried that, the conversation seeme…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:35 AM
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Unfortunately most traditional women don't have that attitude. Paying on the 1st date is how they expect men to prove that they are traditional men and deserving of the traditional treatment they would get from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:27 AM
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The reason you were romantically unsuccessful back then isn't because you played video games. It's because you were fat. Maybe you also had bad style and/or bad social skills. You're not isolating your variables. Classic mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:23 AM
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That's certainly a risk, yeah. And that's exactly why modern dating is so difficult for traditionally-minded people. For traditional men and traditional women to form relationships with each other, one of them has to stick their neck out and risk having their traditional courtship efforts taken advantage of by someone more modern-minded who doesn't reciprocate. But neither of them want to be the ones to do it because non-reciprocal modern-minded people are the vast majority of singles for both g…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 09:11 PM
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In terms of Big 5 personality traits, or temperament, the stereotypical "masculine" man is high extraversion, low agreeableness, and low neuroticism, while the stereotypical "feminine" woman is low extraversion, high agreeableness, and high neuroticism. The other two traits, conscientiousness and openness, aren't really gendered, and are instead both valued in high amounts for both genders, though they are perhaps able to be manifested in a more "masculine" or "feminine" way. But there is also a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:43 PM
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95+% of women today are not worth the effort and sacrifice of traditional courtship. I would be more than happy to do these sorts of things for a woman who has already proven herself to be traditional and capable of offering the perks that come alongside that, but by the time I will have gotten to know her well enough to find this out, we would already be past the early stages of courtship. I do truly feel bad for the 1 in 20 or so traditional women who have to suffer the consequences of this al…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:26 PM
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Fair enough. It doesn't close the gap entirely in an all out war between the sexes. I'll concede that. But that's a very unlikely scenario. In most realistic scenarios as a woman, if you ever encounter a violent conflict with a man, most likely he doesn't have a gun, since most people don't. So if you do, you automatically have the advantage. And even if he does have one, you also having one closes probably 90% of the gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 09:30 PM
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The only reason men are potentially capable of subjugating women a la Afghanistan, if we collectively decide to do so, is because we are physically stronger. However, with the advent of guns, that gap has closed... in theory. Because if a man and a woman both have a gun, it no longer matters who's stronger. It only matters who shoots first. Problem is the vast majority of gun owners are men, and it's because most women refuse to get one for petty ideological reasons. My point is, it's entirely s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 02:35 AM
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Currently, I'm 22 and I'd seriously date a woman 18-22, maaaybe 23. That will definitely change as I get older, but it's hard to say exactly how. If I were to answer that question with my 22 year old brain, I would say my range will always be 18-my age. But if god forbid I'm still single at 40, I might not be attracted to women my own age and still prefer women at the lower end of that range. That said, I might develop a taste for older women as I age. And I constantly hear older men say they wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 05:43 PM
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If you're dating with the goal of a LTR then you need to answer this question based not just on how far you would be willing to go to see them once, but how far you'd go every time you wanted to see them for the duration of your relationship, at least until you move in together. Realistically, C means you'll pretty much only be able to see your partner on weekends. D is just a straight up LDR.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 09:12 AM
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I think the vast majority of people, both men and women, would be/feel awkward in a situation like that, myself included. But even still, that's not exactly a rejection. So it's a bit of a different situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 08:22 AM
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Were you significantly underweight before you gained weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 04:31 AM
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Someone or something has to give, at least by the time Gen Z reaches their 30s, if not sooner. People simply won't be able to tolerate loneliness for that long. If AI and robotics have come far enough by then that sex bots can convincingly emulate an actual human connection, then many will simply turn to that. Both men and women. Otherwise, everyone will lower their expectations and settle for whatever they can get, even if they aren't fully content with it, and they know for a fact that they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 04:26 AM
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I'd even argue that awkwardness and likelihood of physically harming someone have a pretty high negative correlation. The guys who are most likely to fuck you up ain't gonna be awkward. They're gonna be smooth and confident as shit. Ted Bundy didn't stutter and twiddle his thumbs. Dude fucking kicked his feet up and smirked at the camera in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 04:04 AM
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If a guy flirts with me in what feels like an actually welcome context What contexts are welcome?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 03:59 AM
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Did you, by any chance, happen to lose a lot of weight after 30? Or get in better shape? Or maybe your hair was short and you started growing it out after 30? Or you started wearing makeup/changed your routine? Or is there any other change you can think of that happened after turning 30?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 03:58 AM
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I don't mind being fetishized for any of my traits, as long as that's not the only thing she likes about me, and she does actually like my personality and want to be with me both sexually and romantically long term. And in this case, as long as she still likes me and wants to stay with me after we grow old together, since that is unfortunately a natural and unavoidable part of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:52 AM
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Fair enough, but it seems like you're right about getting lucky with cheaper local cafes and restaurants. In Seattle, the local places are usually more expensive than the big chains, in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:20 PM
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I live in a city that has comparable COL to Seattle No you don't. I don't know where you get your info, but I live in Seattle, and... The cheapest coffee in the smallest size at the cheapest cafe near me is about $5. And a small isn't gonna keep you occupied for an hour, let alone 90 minutes. A small Blizzard at DQ is $5.50, and all the local shops are more expensive. And again, isn't gonna last you long. Ice skating is $12. Mini-golf is $20. Laser tag is $33. $30 per person for dinner gets you …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:02 PM
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The majority of people settle. Men and women. And not just a majority, but the vast majority. Like... 90%. Virtually everyone who is in a relationship has settled. Those who are still single are that way mainly because they refuse to settle. And this has become more common in recent years because the apex of both sexes have become more visible to everyone else through social media, making people less likely to settle than in the past. The average man and average woman simply don't want each othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:51 PM
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Conflict has to exist, so long as there is resource scarcity, but war does not. War is nothing but the result of kings forcing others to fight their battles for them. In a way, the Greeks and Trojans were more civilized than us today, with their concept of single combat. If Putin and Zelensky wanted to have a duel, I'd be totally fine with that. It's each of them sending thousands of men to their deaths by fighting on their behalf that I take issue with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 05:34 PM
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I think you're making it sound more sinister than it is. A lot of guys probably don't necessarily go in to cuddling with the express ulterior motive to turn it into sex. But I imagine it's pretty easy to get involuntarily turned on when your bodies are pressed together like that. Now, I believe in waiting too, so I do think that urge should be resisted. I was just making the point that it's often probably not intentional on the guy's part.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 05:16 PM
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I think it's partly biology, but also partly socialization--like most things. But my point is, it doesn't have to be this way. It's also in our biological nature as humans to rob, rape, plunder, and murder everything in sight. But we still figured out a way to overcome that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 05:05 PM
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You see it as "ruining" it. I see it as fixing it. The redpill was fundamentally broken to begin with, but if it is moving in the direction of traditionalism, then it is improving, and it would make sense that it might be a bit contradictory in the middle stages.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 05:01 PM
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That's not exactly paternity fraud though. That's an accident that affected both partners equally. But most importantly, that wasn't deliberately done to her by her partner via him fucking another woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 04:58 PM
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Which ones in particular? And which country do you live in? If the U.S., which state?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 04:55 PM
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I have 2 issues with this claim: The redpill often directly contradicts traditionalism. Such as advocating for one-way polygamy and embracing casual sex to "enjoy the decline". Traditionalism doesn't need any "justifying".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 10:20 AM
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My answer to this is gonna sound weird, but bear with me. I'd definitely marry a woman who was filthy rich, to the extent that I no longer had to work at all. Who wouldn't want to quit their job so they can spend all their time pursuing personal goals? Especially if it was partially attributable to generational wealth. Because if she views her wealth as tenuously "earned", she is less likely to judge me for not contributing as much. Rather than viewing herself as the provider, she'd view us both…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:02 AM
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The average woman will never go more than a year or two without being in a relationship, without ever needing to approach a man or take any initiative, and risk rejection. The woman in the example is less priveleged than the average woman due to her learning disabilities that indirectly impacted her dating life, but even still, she has the following priveleges: - She will never be treated like a potential violent criminal in public. - People won't be suspicious of her being near children, or eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 06:19 AM
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I don't really have any advice for you because I'm in almost the exact same situation myself. Except I live in Seattle and I'm a libertarian, so maybe even worse. Personally where I draw the line is that my partner has to be pro-capitalism, pro-individualism, pro-gun, and pro-life. I don't care so much about the minute details of her preferred policies. I think that's the bare minimum I need in order to be assured that we share similar fundamental values. I'm just not willing to be with someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 01:01 AM
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Well maybe aromanticism manifests differently in biological men than it does in biological women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:02 AM
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This is literally what we already do though. Almost no one is saying "Sorry Susan, I don't date filthy whores like you." right to their face. This is a made-up strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 05:43 AM
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Did you kiss your friends on the lips (affectionately, not sexually)? Did you climb into bed with them and cuddle for hours? Did you entrust your deepest, darkest secrets to them? Did you wake up next to them every morning? Did you want them to yourself and get jealous when they spent time with others? These are all things that happen in romantic relationships that don't happen in friendships. Hell, even saying "I love you" and hugging frequently is more than what happens in most friendships. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 03:08 AM
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I think you misread my post so badly that you came to directly the opposite point that I was actually making.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 12:47 AM
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N count: I want my partner to have the same amount of experience as me, which is absolutely none. This one is just downright non-negotiable under any circumstances. Personality: This one is hard to quantify, so I'm gonna break it down into a few components. Those being morals/values, hobbies/interests, lifestyle, and any remaining personality elements. The first 3 aspects of personality are non-negotiable. At bare minimum, that means being right-leaning, liking video games and anime, and not doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:58 PM
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Sex isn't the only thing that separates a romantic relationship from a friendship. There is also a degree of emotional and non-sexual physical intimacy in romantic relationships that is not usually considered socially acceptable with friends. Especially if you're a man. I'm beginning to think that all the people who have this weird take on friendships and relationships are aromantic or something. That would explain a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:10 PM
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That's what I figured too. Not that there's anything wrong with being a right-winger. I am one myself. Or that there's anything wrong with wanting a partner who has similar views. But the reality is that a majority of women are left-wing, so it's gonna be harder to find a woman with the same views as you if you are right-wing than if you are left-wing. But the inverse is also true for a left-wing woman seeking left-wing men. I think this guy's problem is that he sounds too strict about it (if he…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 04:15 AM
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virgin religious & conservative I would think these two correlate pretty strongly. So the latter probably wouldn't cut his pool in half again. But you're totally right that it's still a very small pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 12:25 AM
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-expects women to 100% align with his political views and doesn't accept someone having a different opinion Which way does he lean?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 11:55 PM
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Even more of a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 08:48 PM
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I'm more open to the "sometimes you make mistakes" mindset. 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 07:59 PM
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You hit the nail on the head. What makes women attractive or unattractive to men has much more to do with proportion than scale. Whether you weigh 90 lbs or 180 lbs, as long as your hips are substantially wider than your waist (ie, you are "curvy"), there will be at least some niche of men that are attracted to your body type. Men have pretty varied preferences, but a low waist-to-hip ratio is the closest thing we have to a universally desirable trait. That said, although some men prefer the low…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 07:52 PM
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I say B for most things. It's a balancing act between not wasting any more time than you need to and not bringing up taboo subjects early enough to scare away people who might otherwise be a good relationship candidate. But it largely depends on the specific compatibility issue. For instance: your height should be posted on your profile, but you might not want to discuss politics until the first few dates, and kinks shouldn't be brought up until at least a month or two of officially dating. Edit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 03:11 AM
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I'm the same way. That's why I felt the need to point it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 12:21 AM
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No absolutes, but yeah I agree, he’s going to struggle most. Yeah, there are exceptions of course. But exceedingly rare. Though, all else equal, I think he’ll be better equipped For sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 03:46 AM
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I think there is a one-way correlation. If a man doesn't have any friends, he's definitely not gonna be able to get a relationship either. But if a man does have friends, that doesn't necessarily guarantee he will be able to get a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 03:21 AM
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Probably 25-33%. Not a majority, but a sizeable minority that you're bound to encounter and have to specifically vet against if you want to reliably avoid. I'd say 95% at least use some form of birth control, but only about 50% ALWAYS use condoms specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:29 PM
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My curent theory is actually a very simple one: Most men use online forums. Most women don't, and even if they do, they usually don't out themselves as women. So the men who are struggling are very vocal and visible to us who use online forums. Whereas women who are struggling are totally invisible. And thats also the reason those men and those women never have the chance to pair up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 06:18 PM
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Insecurity can be a reason for preferring a low body count partner. But it's definitely not the only reason, and I'd argue not the most common reason. All you need to do in order to find out is to ask yourself this question: "If you knew for a fact that you were your partner's best lover, would it still bother you that they slept with a lot of other people?". If you answer "no", then it's insecurity. If you answer "yes", like me, then it's something else entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 05:05 AM
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That makes absolutely no sense. The only way to accrue experience is by having multiple relationships. And one relationship has to end before another one can start, which is bound to cause heartbreak. So you're deliberately causing yourself heartbreak... in order to avoid heartbreak??? The only way to completely avoid heartbreak is to ensure that your first partner is your partner for life, either through extensive vetting or sheer luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 12:56 AM
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I know. But that particular characterization of that personality type is absolutely patronizing to those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 05:20 AM
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The article literally describes them as: typically gamer boys who when they’re not playing video games are full of affection and practically following their girlfriend around like a lost puppy How is that not incredibly demeaning and patronizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:38 AM
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I think "submissive" is the wrong word. When most men say that, what they really mean is they want a partner who has a traditionally feminine personality, and/or they want a relationship with traditional gender roles/division of labor. Either that, or they're referring to the bedroom. It doesn't really have anything to do with decision making. I think virtually everyone agrees that decisions that only affect one partner should be made solely by that partner, while decisions that affect both part…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:31 AM
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It's only "beard fishing" if you shave it after "hooking" them. So just never shave it. Go to the grave without them ever seeing your clean shaven face. But don't listen to anything they say on FDS anyway. It's full of angry, bitter, obnoxious women who nobody wants to be with. Just do yourself a favor and unsubsribe from that sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 11:38 PM
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Well I'm not gonna tell you what to do with your body, but if it's true that you have a weak jawline, like you suggest, then growing a beard will make you more attractive to women, and will probably improve your self-image. That's all I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 11:33 PM
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Well you could still always hide a weak jaw with a well-tapered beard, like I said. No surgery necessary. But either way it's your call dude. Suit yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 11:30 PM
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Sure, I guess. But it's reality. A strong jawline (or the impression of one created by a well-tapered beard) is objectively attractive to women, so if you want to sleep with or be in a relationship with a hot woman, you better have one. Although having one for your own self image is also a factor, at least for me personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 11:26 PM
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You just want an excuse not to work out. All these guys are only still unnattractive mostly due to factors within their control. - all of them need either more fashionable glasses styles, contacts, or lasik - all of them except the one in the black tanktop needs a better haircut - 3rd from right is big, but he needs to get leaner to lose fat in his face - 3rd from left needs to trim his eybrows - right and 3rd from right could also hide their weak jawlines with beards - the guy in the center is …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 09:30 PM
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I'm sure the surgery helped some, but he could've looked almost as good if he just lowered his body fat % more. Something a lot of people don't seem to understand is that you can be "thin" and still not have a low enough body fat % to be attractive. It's called being "skinnyfat", and this causes you to still look fat in the face. Of course some people can afford to be at a higher body fat % than others and still be facially attractive due to genetic variation, but I think everyone except people …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:57 PM
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Have you attempted a LTR with any of them? And if so, did it become obvious at any point that they were using you as an opportunity to move to America with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:20 PM
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Oh no, they absolutely do. But then they lie about it, and post black squares on Twitter to assuage their guilty conscience and virtue signal.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:14 PM
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They literally develop terms like "pickme" and satirize "not like other girls" to shame other women and keep them in line.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:12 PM
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I wouldn’t be surprised if it was MORE often. Yep. The more feminist you are, the more "forbidden" it is. And you know what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:04 PM
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When was the last time you saw some black woman dating a racist? I'm sure there are plenty of black women dating black men who are racist toward other races. Not to mention black women who are racist themselves. But if you meant black women who are dating white men that are racist toward black people--yeah you're probably right that there aren't too many of those. And I do agree with your broader point in the title. But a point I'd like to add is that yes, minority women don't have it quite as g…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:55 PM
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Gotcha. So it's more about social media being less personal than a phone number than it is about using social media to vet them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:12 PM
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Would you still prefer socials if the guy doesn't use it much and hasn't posted anything aside from a profile pic? Granted he still has a decent number of followers and is tagged in a few pics, so you know he's not a total hermit. I know, oddly specific lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:07 PM
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I was half joking. Not flaunting your wealth enough to attract materialistic people is definitely a good idea though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 04:58 AM
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Just be poor. It passively filters out gold-diggers without you lifting a finger. And if you aren't running the rat race, you can spend your time on something more rewarding, like getting chiseled abs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:54 AM
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Why are you ruling out bars and nightclubs? Being a tradcon virgin doesn't mean she only prefers stale entertainment. Ok fine, the type of woman that I want to be with wouldn't be caught dead in a nightclub. Or in a bar, unless it's with friends to grab food or something. Whatever type of woman that is. And definitely not a woman who thinks anything that doesn't involve getting shit-faced and music so loud you can't even have a conversation is "stale entertainment".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:49 AM
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It still boils down to the same problem ultimately. If you want a tradcon partner, then in order to meet her through friends, you need tradcon friends. So where do you go to meet tradcon friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:43 AM
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Ok, then where is one supposed to meet and approach tradcon girls? They definitely aren't in bars or night clubs. Dating co-workers is generally discouraged. "Cold-approaching" strangers in public is seen as creepy or inappropriate. Hobby meetups are always sausage fests, and even if there is 1 or 2 women they always get hounded. As far as I'm aware, that only leaves college and church. So what are you supposed to do if you've already graduated and aren't religious?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:08 AM
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I wager most men in marriages are already attached to 'glorified prostitutes" who only want them for their financial stability. You're absolutely right, but the solution isn't to settle for this. The solution is to strive to become that 20% who are attractive, at least for a particular niche if nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:26 PM
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you’ve got a chance if you get money No, not really, from the sounds of it. If you use money as a means of achieving a relationship, then what you end up with is a glorified prostitute who doesn't actually desire you. That sounds like hell to me. I'd legitimately rather be single and have my dignity (and all my money to myself).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 08:53 PM
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I'm not an atheist either. I'm agnostic. I also consider myself secular, and your definition does indeed describe me. I am in favor of equality of the sexes under the law, and that's it. I do not favor equality of outcome, or even equality of opportunity between the sexes or any other groups. Therefore I am neither a feminist, nor an egalitarian. Even if I didn't support equality of the sexes under the law, it is absolutely possible to arrive at that conclusion based on principles derived form t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 10:32 PM
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No, it absolutely does not. I am secular and not a feminist or an egalitarian. So that's at least one example that disproves that. Where do you even get that idea from?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 08:45 PM
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You must have gone to university in a rural area or a red state, or both. I have never met a single woman like that at my university in the Seattle area.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:04 PM
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Being tradcon isn't just about belonging to a traditional community. It's also about holding traditional/conservative values and beliefs, such as believing in two genders, traditional gender roles, upholding traditional masculinity and femininity, being a provider and protector (as a man), being an individualist, supporting capitalism and freedom but helping others through private charity, being pro-gun, and pro-life, etc. And also living a conservative lifestyle, such as practicing abstinence, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:02 PM
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humanist feminist/egalitarian Who said anything about these? Just leave it at secular tradcon. That's what I want. I definitely don't want a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:55 PM
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but with secular benefits like sex by third date and not having to propose on one knee I think you're unnecessarily lumping these things together with simply not being religious. There is a large contingency of men who are legitimately tradcon and aren't hypocritical in those ways you've outlined above, but they just happen not to be religious. And I don't see why they necessarily need to be. Sure, there is some overlap between religious teachings and conservative cultural values, but they aren'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:17 AM
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Which ones in particular?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 06:26 PM
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Disclaimer, I am purple pill overall, but I'm thoroughly red pill on this particular issue. So I hope that qualifies me to answer, but if not, feel free to remove this. First and absolute foremost is obviously actually being low n-count. If you're in your 20s, that means 1 or 2, maaaybe 3. If you're in your 30s, it's about 5 or less--but at that point it almost doesn't matter because you're automatically not an ideal prospect if you're still single in your 30s. And it also matters how you accrue…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 06:14 PM
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You have a separate league for both, but the only one that matters is the one you want. And the overwhelming majority of women want a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:46 AM
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I've never once given any thought to what degree I'd want my ideal partner to have. It seems like such a strange thing to focus on to me, especially framing it in terms of "attractiveness". Like, I guess knowing her degree can allow me to make certain inferences about her other traits. For example, if she has a gender studies or sociology degree, then she's probably very left-wing and our values would be incompatible. And if she had a STEM or medical degree, then she'd probably make more money (…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:08 PM
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Either the boyfriend is promiscuous too, in which case I think both of them are immoral and their relationship isn't ideal, but at least it's an equal relationship and they deserve each other... or the boyfriend isn't promiscuous, in which case he's a spineless cuck who lacks any shred of self-respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 06:02 PM
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You're leaving out another important factor on the woman's side. When it comes to women who are slim, but "flat", most men consider them meh/average, and not necessarily sexually arousing. Slim and flat women are the female equivalent to slim and non-muscular men. And by contrast, slim and curvy women are the female equivalent to slim and muscular men. Curves/large assets are what arouse men in the way muscles arouse women. So if you're a guy who is slim, but not muscular, then you absolutely do…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:26 PM
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I'm a straight male, my n-count is 0, which is obviously not high, and I wouldn't change it if I could. I'm glad that I'm still a virgin so that I can offer that to my future wife. Personally, I think a high n-count is any number that suggests you've slept with more than 1 different person every 2 years. So a high n-count is anything greater than your age, minus 18 (the lowest appropriate age of losing one's virginity, imo), divided by 2. And a low n-count is anything lower than that number. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 09:11 PM
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I'd tell them 0, which is already the truth. No genie necessary. I'll use my wish for something else. And what value do you think they would choose? I don't know, but if she doesn't like my n-count, then we're just incompatible. So be it. And by the way, we'd be having this conversation looooong before we were planning to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 08:55 PM
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I think you're an outlier. I think most men, although they only consider all those other factors you listed for relationships just like you, they also have higher standards for looks for relationships compared to casual sex, unlike you. And they're willing to sleep with women that aren't attractive enough for relationships when they're exceptionally horny. And yes, better looking men have higher standards for casual sex partners compared to less attractive men, but their own standards for casual…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 04:04 AM
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Agree: - most men have a naturally ingrained repulsion toward high n-count women and single moms, and there is nothing wrong with that - men who tolerate high n-count in women lack self-respect - high n-count women are more likely to cheat, and are generally worse long term partners - we live in a gynocentric society that places certain double standards on men, such as being more harshly criticized for expressing their preferences, and having more narrow beauty standards - dating is overall hard…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:52 AM
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Actually?... Yes. For all my faults and all the things I hate about myself and am insecure about, I can genuinely, honestly say that if there was an exact copy of me with a vagina, I'd date her. Easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 11:28 PM
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Yeah, and I'm saying that the more undesirable a woman is to other men, the better--assuming I still desire her. I took it to the extreme in my above comment to show that ideally, she'd be desired by zero other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 09:11 PM
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Well yes, I'm aware. But you understand the point I'm making, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 09:00 PM
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The traits you list are pretty accurate, but they have nothing to do with children. Men also like massive asses and tits, so your comparison kinda falls apart there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 08:42 PM
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Nah, speak for yourself. A woman who was absolutely repulsive to every man on earth except myself would be a dream come true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 08:40 PM
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What do you mean by "more grey"? If a woman believed that men and women should be equal under the law, but none of the other ideas/policies being advanced by feminists, then sure, I might give that woman a chance. But in that case, she would not be a "feminist", by definition, in my view. But in order for a woman to share my values, she would have to be a libertarian/conservative. And realistically, no libertarian/conservative women are going to identify as a feminist anyway. They would know bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 07:17 PM
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the core of feminism is having the same rights and being treated equally the same way as someone born a male This is what feminists always say, but this is part of a "motte-and-bailey" tactic, in which the above is the "motte", and the "bailey" includes things like casual misandrist attitudes, redistributive government policies in response to (falsely) perceived inequalities and injustices (such as the wage gap or glass ceiling), affirmative action measures that undermine merit-based hiring, for…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 06:56 PM
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You mean trying to date a feminist? Absolutely not, because I already know for a fact that we don't match up. It would just be a waste of time. It's extremely important to me that my partner and I have similar fundamental values. A woman being a feminist is a literal guarantee that our values are very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 06:35 PM
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