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Aight I'm dippin out of this sub, peace nerds
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 01:38 PM
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Meh, I've found that women who are pretty much halfway between those two extremes have been the most stable. Their thinking seems to be more like: "I don't understand why you'd do that, but I don't hate you for it". The thing about the "Don't judge me" types and the judgemental types is they both concern themselves too much with other people. Imo a healthy, well-adjusted person isn't bothered by people's opinions of them, and doesn't beef with others just because they're different. And that's no…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 01:34 PM
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Wrong comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 04:33 PM
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Naaah, there's a lot of flaky women out there. They'll ask you out themselves and then ghost; they'll imagine a whole ass personality for you then ghost you when they realize you aren't the character they'd created in their mind -plus, a lot of young women just don't know what they want and are kinda lost in life (same for dudes) and being "chosen" by them isn't really all that meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 10:11 PM
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Naaah, the friend zone can be pretty sinister for dudes too. A lot of women keep a bunch of guys in their orbit just for the validation and attention and egg them on to keep the attention flowing. It can really fuck with your mind, just like being gaslight about the sex thing can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:47 PM
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(Traditionally) Men generally don't ascribe much importance to a woman's career when it comes to dating. I, for instance, would not have a preference between dating a woman who's an engineer, one who's a nurse, and one who's a barista. It just doesn't enter the equation for attractiveness, to me. Most guys are looking for just a few things in a partner:e.g does she look nice, do we get along, and will she fuck me? "Is she an optometrist???" is not one of these criteria, nor is "robotics engineer…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:53 PM
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Dudes are raised to be impassionate rocks that work hard and do serious things. Whether they actually end up that way, that's the archetype most lean towards. Romance, on the other hand, requires a poetic sort of passion, and an expressiveness that men are actively discouraged from during their upbringing. The guys who learn that stuff either had parents teach them those things or otherwise facilitate it, or they've just learned how to act in order to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:31 AM
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Of my dude friends who fit the bill, most are depressed, losers, and/or just not on the market. I don't think most of them want to change, which is a shame. My woman friends who can't get relationships tend to be more complicated, but probably the most common traits are pickiness and mild Cluster-B tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:33 AM
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I would mostly attribute it to the general decrease in irl social interaction -and increase in social anxiety- among...everyone. It was a big factor for me; I was a pretty reclusive kid, so I just wasn't comfortable hanging out with anyone until I was nearly in my mid-twenties. The prospect of asking out a crush was mortifying. I don't think this is as much of a factor, but I think people are aware how much their actions can follow them, nowadays. That probably deters men from putting themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:04 PM
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You've flaired this as a CMV. Why do you want your view changed on this, and what would change your mind? None of your claims can be substantiated, but I will say your characterisations of how men work will likely run counter to most men's actual experience. By far, it is heterosexual women who care most about men's bodies, and feel entitled to judge a man by his body. I'll tell you right now, 99.9999% of dudes really don't care about another man's body, and...I've been big, and I've been lean. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 05:56 PM
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It's a good question, and something I've wondered for a while, and don't have any satisfying answers for. I think part of it is that validation from women is so rare, that when you do get it, it's a very strong signal that you're doing something right, and it's easy to chase that. There may also be an evolutionary bio adaptation involved, as validation from your bros and peers is cool, but validation from a potential mate damn short circuits the male fuckmonkey brain. Indeed, the man's role in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:48 AM
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I'd wager conservative men do better in conservative areas than liberal men do in liberal areas. I think the men's dating experiences hinge upon the local women's dating preferences, and I'd guess that conservative women have less selective dating preferences. At least in the sense that they may be less comfortable being single forever, and thus more likely to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:56 PM
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Yep, exactly my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 07:22 AM
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I definitely think it makes the relationship more resilient when the sex is copious and top notch, but at what time scale? How have these women's relationships fared at the 15 year mark? It's just life; there will be times when sex carries the health of the relationship, but there will be others when something else has to. If that "something else" is weak, the relationship's gonna bust, 100% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 12:24 AM
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Probably not. I do think it's more important than is polite to acknowledge, but I would say having fundamental, core wants in life that are compatible is more important. Ended my last relationship for the lack of that compatibility. She is stunning and the sex was great, but we wanted profoundly different things in life, and neither of us wanted to budge. No amount of sloppy top can convince me to give up on my goals. Next most important thing is finances. If you're a dude, you have to keep your…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 12:13 AM
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I never claimed that men rent to save money, that would be absurd. Just that they often prefer the flexibility of renting early in their career/adulthood. Surely that's not foreign to you? I also didn't say anything about the age 40. Nor am I "excusing" men (excuse from what? What's the wrongdoing?). It seems you're projecting quite a lot of baggage onto my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:41 PM
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And this is just a T, rolling as they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 05:10 PM
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There's just a segment of young women who like to "shop around". They want to fuck all the different types; the hot college athlete, the cute nerd, the bleeding-heart artist, the foreign guy, etc. I can totally see some such women having a curiosity for the older men society tells them to avoid all the time. Aside from that, I'd attribute one or both of two factors to the "elder-inclined" women I know irl: 1.) Daddy issues, and 2.) Attracted to maturity. The first group is the largest ime, and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 04:14 PM
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This was a very sensible comment, don't listen to the other poster.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 03:58 PM
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What makes you say women are "way better with their finances" than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 03:22 PM
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You have a weird take, but I believe the statistics. The women in my life have been much quicker than the men to buy property once they had the means. I think a few things contribute. First, the men I know don't want to "settle" until late-twenties/early-thirties at the earliest. I think there's wisdom in that, especially since a man's income (not his property) is his greatest asset in the dating market. When you buy a house, you lose the mobility to take better job offers w/ higher incomes. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:15 AM
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What are you talking about? Or are you replying to the wrong comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 07:26 AM
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???
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 08:54 PM
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Anything else he has to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 08:29 PM
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You can make up for a lot, as a dude, with a sense of style and a cool vibe. Conversely, men generally don't particularly care about a woman's style or ambience nearly as much, if at all. We tend to care more about her raw appearance. Good face + good body? I'm in. Bad face + bad body but cool vibe? Too bad, it just doesn't do anything for me. Your average woman is quite a bit more interested in things other than a dude's raw appearance, and can be more easily swayed by good style and personalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:26 AM
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It would be a major red flag to me if they didn't want to split.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 12:57 AM
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Made fun of me, began disengaging from the relationship, and got back together with her arrogant ex. They married a couple years later and are divorced, now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 09:06 PM
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Hmmm. I'm gonna try to keep my answer to contradictions I've witnessed in individual women. In no order: Saying they want an emotionally expressive man, but thinking less of him after he begins expressing his emotions, then ultimately leaving him. Women who believe it's important to challenge gender norms and are very eccentric/unconventional themselves, yet will *only* date conventionally masculine normie dudes. The notorious "no hookups" women on Tinder who fuck on sight. And probably the most…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 07:48 PM
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Right, how tf do these women not understand what shaming is?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 12:18 AM
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Yeah, it's just part of being an adult. People are attracted to other people. Dudes need to be okay staying friends with a woman they're attracted to, women need to get used to having dude friends who crush on them, both need to get comfortable with the inverse, etc. I do think it's a bad sign if a dude doesn't have any woman friends, and it's a bad sign if a woman has no dude friends. It's always cause for concern if someone seemingly hasn't developed the social skills to get along with 50% of …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 06:55 PM
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Nah I agree that being physically imposing is an advantage, but it's not the end all be all, there are definitely women who have it, and anyway it takes a lot more than being 6'+ to become president. Most dudes aren't tall or imposing, they have to learn how to command attention and respect. It's a fine skill that takes a lot of trial and error, so I hope (and think) you're right that society is shifting in a direction that will encourage the perseverance required for such, in women. Some of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:27 AM
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Most men are not perceived as competent by default, they have to become competent and learn how to project it. Women are similarly not perceived as competent by default, so they must...become competent and learn how to project it. It's the same challenge for both genders, one just genderizes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 08:49 PM
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This question would be better directed at women tbh. Idk why a sane, young woman would want to date a man so much older, but a few do🤷 A woman might have more insight.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 07:46 PM
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You assume that people make rational choices. Most women who divorce overestimate their ability to raise kids on their own. This is evidenced by the prevalence of people raised by single moms among the homeless, criminals, disabled, dropouts, and unseccessful. Logically, women wouldn't want these things for their children. But clearly most women who divorce falsely believe that they can do better. So the fact that many women do divorce does not mean that they should divorce. And anyway, usually …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 04:04 PM
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Thus my "happy, healthy" modifier to the word "family". Aside from how miserable raising kids on your own is, one of the worst things you can do to a person is raise them in a single-parent household. Everything from their ability to socialize normally, to their ability to pair-bond healthily, to their level of educational attainment and lifetime earnings is degraded if they are brought up in a single-parent household. If a woman wants to have children and raise them well, there is almost nothin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:41 PM
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Fair point, but a single person's "normal job" is inadequate for starting a happy, healthy family in our current world (if that's what they want). On that basis alone, your average woman still has a lot to gain from pairing up. Even if we assume the average woman makes as much as the average man, and has as much in savings as the average man (neither of which is the case), she would still be fucked if she lost her income today and needed to make rent, buy food, receive healthcare etc indefinitel…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:12 PM
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I think there's a lot of truth to this, and I don't know what any outcomes of it may be. Only thing i have to offer is a slight bias correction. These sort of posts tend to pit the archetype of a successful, independent, career woman against that of the loser man. They never focus on the average woman. In reality, women who are so successful that they gain little from pairing up with men are not nearly as common as certain echo chambers of the internet would have you believe. Most women are not …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:51 PM
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I would describe my dating experience as sparse tbh. I've only dated 4 women in the past...11 years. Therefore "success" is not quite the word I would use lol. But here's what I think I can contribute: I'm a pretty traditionally masculine guy. Not the greatest looking, but straightforward, stoic, sober (demeanor-wise), and down to earth. Two of the four women asked me out, one of whom was a stranger. I think if you give off a calm, safe, "rock" vibe, certain women will be really drawn to you, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 05:56 AM
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Fantastic retort
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 03:50 AM
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They definitely do exist, I'm currently in charge of a few at my Guard unit. I believe they have moderate mental illnesses (much like dude incels), but they are all very unfortunate looking, have reputations for being gross, and come off as kind of socially desperate. I think the living arrangements encourage that sort of thing; you have lots of the same people living in close proximity for a long time. Word gets around that that one gross-looking woman doesn't shower, eats nothing but hot pocke…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:05 AM
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I don't think it's a complete waste of time, but it's not the greatest place to have meaningful discussions with women. This is one of those subs that many women would/do hate, so in that weird internet way, many seem "addicted" to shitposting here, trolling, stonewalling, etc just to kind of fuck with the users of this sub. It's rare that a woman comes here to have a good faith discussion and share anything meaningful, though it does happen sometimes. Just pay attention to usernames; some of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 07:52 AM
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Well, that's just apologizing tbh, and that's pretty different from the dude setting his expectations from the woman, as your OP would apply to me. But I think I get what you mean; communicating well through any challenges, even early in a relationship. I mean again, I'd say it depends on stage of life and what the dude wants to gain from it. If his gf disappointed him and they're both 22 year olds cosplaying a serious adult relationship, I'd only advise he try to communicate boundaries and expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 08:28 PM
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Yeah, if you're young and a dude, coming into a relationship with demands and boundaries and all that healthy shit is a quick way for women to drop you, and then you have no experience. At that stage in life, I think your average guy should just use whatever relationships he can get to learn how to be as good a partner he can be. Wait until later in life when women get more serious and can recognize your value as a partner to start talking about this sort of stuff early on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 07:54 PM
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I don't hate it, although I hate that I don't hate it. Dating is complex and confusing, especially for dudes, and I've lived a little bit of all of the viewpoints you see here; PUA hotshots, decade-long dry spell dudes, machiavellian TRP nerds, optimistic BP guys, and I've variously shared the viewpoints of the tradcon women here as well as the feminazi types. Dating is a messy business; it's mostly frustrating and never fully makes sense. As cringe as this sub is, and as cringe as I am for liki…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 04:09 PM
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Where am I getting it from? Look at the damn name of this sub. This is not a TRP sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 04:07 PM
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This is not a TRP sub, it's even in the name.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 04:04 PM
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Two points: 1) This is a debate sub, don't forget that. The scenario you presented aligns with RP-type dudes, but for every one of them, there's another who disagrees. You can't characterize men as a whole from this sub; its goal is not to build consensus, but to challenge ideas (at least in spirit) 2) Guarantee you most guys here aren't boasting about "sleeping with all sorts of women", let alone actually doing it. It sounds like those sorts of comments get your dick in a knot so you notice the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 05:24 AM
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This sub is not remotely representative of "men" as a whole, especially not the dudes who actively post. The average man irl does ok with women, wants to get married, have kids, etc, it's just a tiny slice of the degens, the socially inept, and the exceptionally frustrated men who end up posting on PPD. Don't get me wrong, this is an entertaining and sometimes interesting sub, but it would be a mistake to think that the men here speak for the whole, and I'm sure most guys here would agree. Separ…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 03:59 AM
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Men overwhelmingly want relationships, the premise of this question is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 03:39 AM
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I'm a dude. The women in my life have shown pretty different responses. Tbh I think it's like most things that happens in a friend group; kinda glad to heat the news, but it's not groundbreaking so they don't usually make much fanfare. Typically, though, they want to see pictures of the woman, they ask how we met, and they might ask what she does for a living. That's about the only commonality I can think of between their responses, and most leave it at that. I've had one woman tell me that I mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 01:33 PM
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Anybody else notice that mid-to-late twenties is when a lot of people irl start falling apart? When I was younger, I thought I and all my friends would essentially look 20 until we were 40. Reality has shown a very different story though (for men and women), and around 25-27 is when most of us started to look a little rough -in some cases, very rough. Idk, I was surprised how quickly it happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 02:39 PM
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I think the most likely outcomes are that it will fizzle out of the almost-mainstream but remain a persistent subculture, or gradually transition into a different movement under a different name. As for societal implications? I could see more scams being directed at lonely, angry guys tbh. Not even joking; Tate and crowd have shown the world that there is a huge market for RP/male renaissance-type content, inevitably business interests will want to expand into that space, now that it's been prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 10:11 PM
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I second that this is projection. This is a common solipsistic trope among women, and might apply to a different sub, but tbh the sentiment here is more that dating for men in general -even dating average/unremarkable women- is too difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:53 PM
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Looks: 5.5 - 6 on average. I actually concluded this based on an online "rate my face" kind of thing and using the 25% rule in online dating: on average, people tend to message first to others who are 25% more attractive than them. So I went through my tinder matches, rated women who I reached out to first, took the average of that and multiplied it by 0.75. Got about the same number as the online tool, which is kinda neat. Also worked in reverse; rating the women who reached out to me first, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:34 PM
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100% serious shit right here
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:20 PM
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I think the mainstream, conventional advice given to struggling men is to work on themselves, whereas the conventional advice given to struggling women is...well it's not advice. It's affirmation. That they're beautiful just the way they are, they're the victim and it's others that are wronging them, they shouldn't have to do XY or Z, etc, and it often just ends there. That said, there is a slice of the woman population that devours self-help media -to the extent that I would say books targeting…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 09:38 PM
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Again, you're arguing out of habit. Your statistics back me up lol. You're the one implying that women holding out for three months is the norm, I'm the one saying that it's not, and your statistic affirms my point. Recall also that I said most women haven't fucked that many guys, as your second statistic shows. So every time I've said that what the dude is asking for (unpromiscuous women who don't have a 3 month rule) is normal, I was right. You were the one saying it's unrealistic, it would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 03:31 PM
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Ultimately any way of differentiating people is arbitrary and overgeneralizing. Which major and which career someone has chosen are just as valid differentiating factors as others you might propose, and frankly I think there are much worse indicators than these, which at least to some extent signal one's values and competencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 04:24 PM
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Lilli, I don't buy that you believe anything you've written over the 24 hours, you're just arguing out of habit. I don't think you actually believe that unpromiscuous women who don't make men wait 3 months are rare; I don't think you actually believe "statistics" are infallible, and you don't have any anyway; I don't think you actually believe that you know anything about these internet dudes, and I don't think you actually believe that what you just typed is a good argument lol, you know that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 04:00 PM
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Statistics aren't deterministic. I'm sure there are statistics that you defy; there are certainly statistics that I defy, and that's true for everyone. Statistics tell us how prevalent an occurrence will be in a population, but they tell us nothing about the life of an individual. Only an individual's circumstances will dictate their life, not a statistic. His complaint was not that women won't fuck immediately -that's what the other poster you shared did lol. You're literally proving my point. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 10:36 PM
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I'll only discuss what's possible, since the topic of logical contradiction pertains to logic and theory and neither you nor I can say what's realistic for an internet stranger. However, most women haven't fucked that many dudes, and don't have an arbitrary 3-month waiting period for sex. I don't know why you're posturing like that's some absurd rarity when it's the norm. Your second paragraph is loaded with projection of your own values, I want you to be aware of that because it's been a consis…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 10:17 PM
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Interesting question. I can only speak for myself and my experience, but as a STEMlord I find most commonality with women who also have hard-STEM degrees. Higher likelihood that we have similar ways of thinking, value pragmatism and reason to a high degree, and understand each other's careers more thoroughly. I've found they're generally less vibrant than their humanities/life science counterparts in their personality and interests, but more stable mentally and emotionally, and less inclined tow…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 08:55 PM
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If women constantly have sex with guys... He's looking for women who *don't* constantly have sex with guys. He wants a woman with a low N-count who will also *not* withhold sex for a predetermined period of time. That is not a contradiction, it is absolutely possible for an unpromiscuous woman to not have this 3-month rule that he mentions. There are plenty of women who meet these criteria; most women I know, actually. Why did you think it was contradictory?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 06:47 PM
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I am not insisting that no man does it, just that you shouldn't be surprised to find Man A believe the opposite of Man B on debate sub, and that the existence of claims that oppose each other on a debate sub should not be surprising...because it is a debate sub. You're projecting your own biases into what you read, rather than engaging with what is written. Clearly, enough of them are doing where it is fucking annoying and reoccuring in this subreddit. It isn't clear, you have yet to provide an …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 06:13 PM
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"Often" =/= "mostly". I agree with your second sentence, but exceptions don't make the rule, and if they were so prevalent, I'm sure you could provide some examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:21 PM
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Therefore it must be that the majority of men here hold blatantly self-contradictory views then, right? Could you share the first post you allude to? The one you quote, while an ignorant, asinine argument, is not self-contradictory and does not slut shame at all. Dude's claiming that early sex is a necessary but not sufficient condition for a man's comittment. He's wrong, but his argument is not at all self-contradictory, and I don't see how it slut shames. Guilt trips, yeah, but it makes no jud…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:18 PM
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Different men🤷 Don't forget where you are, that is the purpose of this sub; to debate opposing viewpoints.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:51 AM
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Ah, this is a very good point that I hadn't considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 03:27 PM
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Strictly speaking, I don't think so. In practice? I do find it creepy for older dudes to specifically seek out younger women, especially for relationships, and would be critical of their motives. But tbh tbh? I don't care. The internet pop culture narrative is that those guys are all predators and they must be deliberately preying off these young clueless women and also abusing them btw and yada yada. I think in 90+% of cases, it's just a deep fetish, nothing more nothing less. Like dudes who re…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 04:18 AM
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There's no rules to this mess. Each woman wants something different. I know in my podunk hick hometown women didn't give a fuck about a dude's shoulder-to-waist ratio or facial aesthetics. Seemed like they really liked the idea of a husky, hard working, conservative provider type dude. So some absolutely dogfaced, ugly, fat dudes married beautiful, petite women. That's pretty normal around the country tbh. You talk about "what women want" like you're an authority on the matter when no one is. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:55 AM
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Knee jerk reaction, I would be somewhat relieved to learn that this woman who I apparently mesh well with is also a lowly pile of trash tbh. Maybe that's a toxic trait of mine, but I'm always a bit relieved to learn that a partner/potential partner has damning flaws -we all do. I've let out a mental sigh of relief upon seeing a potential partner's car/room is a mess; upon learning that they like eating at Denny's/Waffle House/other grimey shitty places; that they too have some stupid ignorant be…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 05:17 PM
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She thinks it's one of her top problems. It's just an insecurity. Being average looking is not a deficiency. I 1000% don't care what she looks like, her first two points alone are what would turn me off to a relationship with her. I've broken things off with very conventionally attractive women because they just aren't available for dates and intimacy. I've simped hard for, and fought tooth and nail to fix, a damaged relationship with a very average looking GF because she just had it all; good p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 11:19 PM
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There's more to a person and relationship than looks, and if looks are the only thing "special" you offer a partner, then you legit have a problem. What is the implication, here, that only attractive people can be special? Most guys don't think that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 09:57 PM
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Gonna be honest, I've had vastly better luck and better quality dates on the apps. I'm about average, and it's been nice not having to spend hours drinking expensive drinks at bars/clubs/etc. I've never done day game stuff though, so there is that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:47 PM
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"Tradcon" may very well have a more conservative connotation that I'm unfamiliar with, so I may have misunderstood. But even then, your first paragraph describes every one of my exes and all but like one or two of women in my friend group as well as the vast majority of women I know. I think you're right about location; most people don't live in NYC, and you mention hanging in leftist circles. I'm sure you've observed by now that most people aren't leftist. So yeah, I'm sure you don't need the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:41 PM
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OPs post will probably get buried in obscurity, but it really is the perfect encapsulation of reddit. This is the sort of reductionist ass, neck beard content that this site is known for -untouched by grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:26 PM
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Irl stuff has a worse ROI in my opinion. People romanticize the bar scene/school/clubs/etc but you have to invest many fuck tons of time (not to mention money) into them before finding any success, and even then you're usually not banging a new chick every week. More like every month or two at most, for average dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:18 PM
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Tbh most non-religious people are still pretty milquetoast conventional, women included. Every woman I've dated has been firmly atheist but still pretty traditional; they've all been monogamous, only interested in serious LTRs, want kids, super career oriented and want the same in their tall, HGTV husband. I think the absurdly loud minority of non-tradcon women on the internet might be skewing OP's perception. As for why? Well it's the path of least resistance. As secular as we wish our society …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:15 PM
3

The latter no contest. There's a small segment of dudes who get off on banging really young women, but nah fuck that. People that young usually aren't remotely prepared to be lasting, loving partners; are almost universally bad in bed; can barely/cannot take care of themself; and honestly are still too hyped up on the hormonal shitstorm from puberty that hasn't quite settled down yet. That would be waaaaaay too much trouble in general, but on top of all that, she looks 10 fucking years older tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:41 PM
1

Causation is king, but correlation is still very useful in the real world. If promiscuity is highly correlated with poor LTR outcomes and non-promiscuity is correlated with generally positive outcomes, then an LTR-minded person with a universe of dating options would be prudent to avoid promiscuous partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:31 PM
0

This is a damn good question OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 08:30 AM
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Congrats! You're now magically valid lol. Pretty disappointing, right? Tbh an underwhelming first time is really common. Rest assured, mind-blowing sex exists. As corny as it sounds, it's mostly in the mind. Long, teasing foreplay; that naughty feeling of trying something new with your partner...it gets a lot better from here. Just don't fall into the trap that a lot of people -men, women, anyone- do, which is to just go through the motions (literally). Because as you've learned, there's only so…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:22 AM
0

Meh, I'm speaking in (mostly) theoreticals and you're putting words in my mouth. I don't think that all women are opportunistic leaches and I didn't say as much. I do think that people in general overestimate their graciousness. You (general "you") would probably be idealistic about a long term relationship at the outset, but may very well sing a different tune 19 years in, when you're both different people and you've turned down several big opportunities for the sake of egalitarianism. You prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 06:10 AM
4

Gonna be honest, none. I'm at a very male-skewed engineering school, though, so there aren't any women in most guys' social circles, and anyway most dudes are too stressed for time to deal with dating BS. So having a GF is relatively rare for men here -even the really attractive guys, but of those who do, I'll say they're pretty evenly distributed from 5 to 10 on the conventional attractiveness spectrum, and tbh a lot of them are dating women who are more attractive than them. Imo it seems like …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:14 AM
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People here are talking a lot about 50/50 splits of time and responsibility, but you're asking about power. I think the nominal 50/50 power split is ideal, but (and this strictly my weird nerdy neck-beard conjecture) in practice it would actually render the wife more powerful than the husband. If she doesn't have more power over him, she can't necessarily get what she wants. There better be a powerful incentive for her to stay in the marriage, because she knows she can better get what she wants …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:57 AM
5

Yep. Complaining from a high place, nothing more to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 07:30 PM
0

No, but I bet many of them would say they are. Some are absolute wackos, but most are just people who aren't healthy and aren't well-balanced; not necessarily anything pathological.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:34 AM
1

A critical need for young boys is lots of physical activity. When boys are well-exercised, they are calmer, more focused, and more cooperative. Ye olden universities/predecessor institutions typically devoted an ass load of time to sport and labor, so in that way, those institutions were better suited for boys' needs. The Prussian model marked a drastic departure from both of those outlets for physical activity, ultimately leading to the system we generally use in the US, today. Schools ceased u…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 04:28 PM
2

The system was mostly designed by men, but foundational studies in childhood pedagogy used girls as test subjects for experimental curricula and teaching techniques, because young girls are more cooperative, calmer; easier test subjects. The results were then generalized to all children. Nowadays, we acknowledge that young boys and girls have different educational demands, but unfortunately the current methods and structures are optimized for young girls, and have been for quite a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 11:09 PM
5

Thank you for your post, it was well thought-out and written. It's a shame OP missed the opportunity to engage with it productively, but I enjoyed reading it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 10:26 PM
1

Could you expand on the power point, in your first sentence? I've heard some of my woman friends say that "my beauty/sexuality/femininity is my power" or things along those lines. I've never asked them about it because I don't want them to think that I'm striking them down. But, reddit stranger, what does it mean to you? For reference, I don't really have a conception as a dude of how I might derive a general sense of power from something like my sexuality or beauty. If I even would say I had "p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 12:15 AM
1

I wonder if there is any research that indicates the goofy dad/serious mom family dynamic actually predominates, or if it's just a 90's sitcom stereotype. I know that in most families I grew up around, the dads were more efficacious and strong-willed than the moms, so most of the discipline and life-prep parenting came from the dads. This was definitely the case in my family; my mom can't do shit on her own, as she wasn't raised to be an effective, hard worker like my dad was. And now that I'm a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 07:06 PM
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I think this "talk about your worries or you might kill yourself!" meme has stayed past its welcome, tbh. Women attempt at the same rate despite being more communicative about these things, generally having larger social networks, and being more open to therapy and other forms of psychological treatment. Suicide seems to be a little more complicated than an amateur social media talking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:52 PM
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It's just in-group bias. You see it in probably every other context: politics, sports, nationalism, etc. If you head over to the dating subreddit, you'll notice that women there tend to advise posters to be empathetic and forgiving when a woman is the problematic person in a relationship, but cut pretty quickly to "dump his ass" when a man is the problematic one. The men there do the same, as well. I try to moderate it in myself, but I know it comes through sometimes. If I'm honest, I'd say pett…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 04:39 PM
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You know, I think it's just one of those things -why are some people happy and others aren't? It probably has a lot to do with factors beyond their control like genetics, upbringing, social context, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 09:15 PM
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Tbh, I think guys are overwhelmingly much more comfortable being single than women, already. There is a tiny sliver of women who feel empowered to be single, but the vast vast vaaaaaaaast majority of normie women are mortified of being single. It's really toxic. If you mean that more dudes should have the empowered woman's comfort with singleness, I'm still not sure. I think a lot of that empowerment comes from security in one's romantic prospects; the knowledge that they could easily find a dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 08:49 PM
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Was virgin up until age 23. I'd say the short answer is that I didn't get experience dating in high school, so I didn't know how to ask women out and date when I graduated and moved on to more adult things (work, college, etc). I had a social life but it was with coworkers and a small group of students, so it always felt super high risk to ask any of them out. I'd have to see them everyday if they rejected me or if we split; a failed relationship with one crush might ruin my chances with all my …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 05:40 AM
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Absolutely. No need to hypothesise: I know several women irl who are in these sorts of relationships, and they are all pure garbage, just like the dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 05:30 AM
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For sure Kevin Samuels, Andrew Tate and that crowd are definitely that way. But that's not reflective of most men, certainly not most men on this sub. Ostensibly this is a debate sub where the Tatey dudes and the normies debate these sort of things. That's why you see opposing views here so frequently; this sub is premised on debate between at least two groups with very different views.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:33 PM
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It's almost incoherent; like literally almost impossible to read straight through, and it doesn't help that the message I think you're trying to get across is a little crazed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:07 PM
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Any specific examples of the same dude espousing these contradicting views? Let alone enough of them to characterize this whole sub as such?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:04 PM
2

I think they are predominately two different groups tbh. I'm a 50/50 split bill dude; I want a partner who's independent and a peer. Nothing about a submissive woman is the best of any world to me, because the values that drive my 50/50 preference directly contradict whatever values drive someone to want a submissive partner. That's not to say that I'm the norm, but I think if you probe a little deeper into this, you'll find that you're seeing two different worldviews within this sub without muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:04 PM
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Can you point to a user or comment on this sub that wants a submissive woman who goes 50/50? I think it's likely that you're mixing the views of two very different groups of users on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 04:38 PM
0

Interesting little trick. Does anyone, after hearing "honesty or support?", ever choose support?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 08:28 PM
2

Makes sense, seems healthy. Best of luck to ya!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 01:21 AM
0

Interesting stuff. First time I've seen "cookie-cutter normal" as a strong requirement lol. Would you say you yourself are cookie-cutter normal?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 10:34 PM
1

Damn ladies, get with the times.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 07:40 PM
9

Life is too short to date people on the hope that they can change.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:35 PM
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Attraction is much more mysterious than people in this sub assume. It's cheesy and cliche but you just never know who will be attracted to you or why. Especially if they're women. I have no clue why most women I know irl choose the men they do, I have no clue why my partners have chosen me, and I'm not sure they do either. I think women -in general- have a more abstract relationship to relationships than men do -in general. Their calculus doesn't often seem to be about first-order, practical pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:08 PM
1

I have yet to see irl evidence that women are "better communicators" tbh. I concede that they are better at making their emotions known; men are generally poor communicators of their own experience. But when it comes to challenging communication tasks such as conflict management, negotiation, assertion, deescalation, delegation, rejection, taking and receiving criticism and so on, I find men tend to handle those more skillfully than women. I've certainly met and looked up to many women who excel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:12 AM
1

Where did you get the sense that OP was mad about this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 11:26 PM
1

Fair enough, I hope you take something away from the discussion this post started🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:33 PM
0

You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. A normal modern dude doesn't actively want sexually inexperienced women. The modern fixation with n-count has nothing to do with purity/virginity/whatever. Dudes who want serious relationships just don't want women who have little experience with serious relationships. It seems you need to recalibrate your assumptions about what dudes want and why, because they are currently very off base, and you have a whole comment section of dudes telling you …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:29 PM
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This whole post is indicative of someone who has spent too much time on the internet. Nobody gives a shit about how many times someone had sex with their previous partner. It's such an odd thing to think that I don't even think you'll find much basis even on reddit to believe that dudes actually care about this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:14 PM
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There are many good reasons to ask, if one cares about the following: Promiscuity is heavily correlated with infidelity. It's just a trend and everyone is different, but one's propensity to cheat is generally proportional to the number of sexual partners they've had. That may be concerning to guys who are looking for a more traditional, committed relationship. Many people do not particularly enjoy fucking a bunch of people, and it's totally fine to want the same in your partner. Compatibility of…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 04:06 PM
1

I'm indifferent tbh. I don't think encouragement in either or any direction has much impact here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:22 AM
7

This convo is the most needlessly confrontational exchange I've seen today.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 06:15 AM
1

I'm back in the dating world after a long ass dry spell, and it definitely seems like people are turning away from alcohol. I'm mostly down with it. The only two issues I have with this are that, 1.) in my area, it makes it a fair bit more difficult to come up with good date ideas, and 2.) generally ime people are turning away from alcohol but turning towards other things; namely weed and psychedelics -the "california sober" movement. I've tried weed a handful of times -not a huge fan, and I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:47 AM
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Tbh I'd say that's only toxic if you surpise them with that stuff on a physical, face-to-face date. If you're getting that stuff out of the way before you both have to carve time out for a date that just seems mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:03 AM
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This guy has the right attitude!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:19 AM
1

Again, I don't buy it. But if that's the case, good for the dudes!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:30 PM
1

Well in that case, I'm happy for the dads. It's a shitty job and they'll die sooner, so I'm glad they get to be relatively happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:56 AM
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The combined work argument just isn't compelling. A little bit of housework at the end of a mediocre job isn't as degrading to QoL as a breadwinner job and the ridiculous expectations thrust upon fathers - which again, lead dudes to drop dead way too early.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:50 PM
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See, these "women sacrifice more" arguments pointing to their domestic work have never really convinced me. The reality of it isn't as noble as the arguers often make it out to be. When I think about families I know irl, usually the mom works an...okay job and kinda does housework when she's home. For sure she's stressed and it sucks, but welcome to adulthood. Dad brings in the real money but that comes with real stress and real sacrifices and the stupid but necessary requirement to not complain…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 05:55 PM
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They didn't say entirely, just not to women [that you're dating or hope to date]
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 07:56 PM
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Sounds like financial merging is a consequence of marriage, but does not constitute marriage in and of itself. But that's nitpicky. I was referring to the "everything goes in a joint account" arrangement. It opens both parties up to a lot of risk, and I would have expected in our more romantically individualistic culture, that people would be more inclined to keep their accounts separate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 05:15 PM
1

It's pretty trad. You make it sound like trad is a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 05:03 PM
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"Literally" is not the word I would use there, lol. But I know what you mean. It is traditionally assumed that a married couple will merge finances. It's still a weirdly archaic expectation imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:35 PM
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I'm surprised by how common this insistence on merging finances is, here. For some reason it's not a preference I associate with modern, young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:00 PM
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Mostly agreed. I think expectations generally rise with age -"doritos at my place?" isn't gonna work for most late-twenties and older professional folk lol. But yeah, generally people will overlook a lot for a partner who excites them enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 09:30 PM
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Yeah it's definitely not insurmountable -if not, most guys on Earth would be legitimately fucked. But I don't think it's controversial to say that guys who are short and/or not white will have to put in more legwork to be top 20% tbh. Depending on their particular circumstances, "just become T20" may not be practically feasible advice or the most efficient way to find more success imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 05:11 PM
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Yeah people can be annoying, that's a universal experience. Your mentioning your husband in an off hand way is a very socially mature thing to do. If you just abruptly said "I'm married!" seemingly out of the blue to a guy who was being friendly, that would be more indicative of a level of social maturity more commonly found among 12 year olds. And again -the dude wasn't trying to smash, he was legitimately just trying to be friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 04:54 PM
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Yeah there are some shitty unspoken genetic assumptions made about what "Top 20%" means. Namely "tall and white".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 04:22 PM
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Yep, the majority of women are pretty conventional in their life wants and goals. The unconventional ones just get more publicity so they seem more prevalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 04:10 PM
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Regardless of the dude's intent, it's presumptuous and egotistical and not exactly a sign of an awesome person to equate [dude being friendly] to [dude's coming on to me] so inelegantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 03:26 PM
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To begin: Additionally, this is Reddit, not a debate panel I will ask you to look up at the name of this subreddit. Moving on. ​ Equating loneliness to sexlessness or romancelessness is not logical. I'm not equating them, I'm grouping them to consolidate the myriad conditions that are under debate. If I wanted to be more precise, I could call it a "lack of non-platonic relationships". ​ Nobody dies from lack of sex. Someone experiencing suicidal thoughts and depression is not going to be cured o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:24 PM
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I don't accept this answer because my question is about logic, not suicide or depression. To try again: How could you judge as important one issue that affects a miniscule percentage of the population (suicide, in this case), yet say that another issue is unimportant on the grounds that it affects a miniscule percentage of the population (loneliness/sexliness/romancelessness)? You've fixated on suicide because I introduced it as a logical counterpoint, but I could have just as well pointed to di…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 10:24 PM
1

This doesn't answer my question, and I'm beginning to think intentionally so. So we're on the same page, quote my question from my previous comment, and respond with your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 09:44 PM
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You don't seem to be following. I'm not introducing suicide as a new topic to consider. I brought it up as a counterexample to every principle you've introduced, by which you judge loneliness a non-issue. It is a miniscule phenomenon in rate, absolute occurrence, and it is "optional". By the standards you put forth, it should be treated as a non-issue; it's clearly not a "grave concern". But you know it is, as do most people. If you accept that suicide is a serious issue worthy of institutional …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 09:22 PM
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Why is suicide a cause for concern? During 2021, in the USA, 1.4 hundredths of a percent of deaths were by suicide. In other contexts, 0.014% would be rounded to zero, it's such an insignificant number. By your logic, we should sweep that under the rug. It's clearly a non-issue, and anyway it's "optional", right? For reasons spanning the pretty basic idea that human life is valuable, that human happiness is valuable, that misery should be minimized and has real negative consequences for a popula…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 08:43 PM
1

You're making too many assumptions, here. First, you're equating the optionality of something with its importance. I don't think that's the case. Just because something is optional, does not mean it's unimportant, or not as big of a deal as non-optional things. It's a bit childish to think "if it was important there'd be laws about it or something". It is always optional for people carrying STIs, for example, to use protection. You can't force them to, either. But you would agree that a growing …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:42 PM
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This notion of yours that, in fact, the best way to deal with romantic dissatisfaction is to do anything but improve romantic satisfaction is bizarre. Is your response for other reliable sources of upset just "deal with it and work on everything else"? Like crime, should we encourage victims of crime to accept their misfortune and find other ways to be happy? Not intervene at all? Not even a little? Or poor health? Should we tell the sick to find their happiness elsewhere and do anything but imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 07:26 AM
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If people were giving up on dating for humanitarian reasons, then I'd agree it's not really an issue that deserves much bandwidth. But people are giving up on dating out of a sense of failure; a failure of their most basic biological imperative. That has undeniable effects on mental health, and for that reason is actually quite tragic and alarming.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 06:50 AM
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Fuck me, when I read 50 years ago I was like "Dudes were banging more in the 50's?". Stop time pls.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:08 PM
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Veeeeery good point, and at this point I will stick my neck out and say it's a collective failing of women. I had a gf who was professionally on the same level as me for most of our relationship, and things were great. But when she got her big break, she felt emboldened to mock me, hold things over my head, make disrespectful demands, etc. Now that I'm dating again, I notice the women who work educated white-collar jobs have this ridiculous god complex and have often been cold and flat-out mean …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 09:29 PM
3

What a bizarre way of framing your point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 07:48 PM
1

Just gotta keep trying shit. Seriously, you should be getting some attention; you likely aren't selling yourself well enough tbh. I've got time to kill, if you wanna shoot me a DM with just your Tinder bio, I could offer some advice. The app game is weird man. Just a few tweaks can produce wildly different outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 06:23 AM
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Thanks man! App shit for sure takes work and trial & error, but I think OP has everything he needs to get some attention and at least a few first dates, no doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 06:18 AM
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Apps bro. Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, get on 'em and get some dates. You've worked on yourself, got your shit together, and look good, you should have little trouble getting regular dates from the apps, depending on your locale.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 06:10 AM
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I have a similar predisposition, and working on it. Thing is, you're on a date. While that's not consent to start asserting yourself however you please, you can assume she has a basic level of attraction towards you. Ime if you aren't fucking up the convo, she typically would appreciate some signals from you that you're into her, that's part of the fun of dating. You don't need her to initiate the flirting games; a lot of women won't. Sultry eye contact is my go-to first signal; it's a clear and…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 05:37 AM
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Well, what I mean by "erotic energy" is just that his behavior alludes to sex. So think about all the ways of flirting and escalating you see brought up in the manosphere: lingering eye contact, getting close, light touching, etc. Those behaviors allude to sex -the optical fixation, the closeness, the intimate contact- that's why they're erotic. Another way of showing eroticism is to just, you know, talk about sex. Now, you have to be an adult about this stuff; as the original commenter pointed …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 04:03 PM
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In my hypothetical, yes he did.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:58 PM
1

Excellent. Then what was my message, in your own words?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:30 PM
2

Why not? Nothing wrong with sex between two consenting adults, just like there's nothing wrong with not wanting to settle, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:28 PM
1

So you didn't read the comment, cool cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:16 PM
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Nah, you were just trying to make your own point with your questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 09:18 AM
4

Meh, different crowds tbh. The fat dudes who get pussy aren't on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 09:12 AM
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Well, "monstrous" and "bores" were two different categories in my comment. One's easier to fall in love with than the other, and that was part of my point. Separately, how are you going to recite my same goddam message back to me and say I'm the one missing the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 09:07 AM
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Not at all? You have no inkling what possible sentiment they're referencing? Not one clue as to what their general message is? Not even a best guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 09:02 AM
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Nah, most men have relatively low standards for any relationship. They will fuck a monstrosity and marry a bore, but that's still lower than the average woman's standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 09:00 AM
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If it's what he wants, it's what he wants. Nothing wrong with it. Plenty of fat dudes land baddie gfs/fwbs; it's not an unreasonable preference by any means.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 08:56 AM
4

I'd still wager that men have lower standards for those same immutable traits than women do tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 08:49 AM
3

Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 08:47 AM
10

Semantics, you know what they mean come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 08:47 AM
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I think the language around this stuff tends to be too imprecise. Nice guys do not exude any erotic energy, that's the distinction. There's plenty of confident men who aren't pulling any, and it's because they come off too platonic, too sterile. It just comes down to how much one's demeanor alludes to sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 08:44 AM
0

It absolutely is, in the real world. Don't be obtuse. You were never taught that the polite, considerate thing to do when someone addresses you is to ignore them. None of us were. We were instead taught that it's polite to acknowledge others, use manners, and so on. When you don't do that shit, it is an obvious, intentional afront to common decency and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 08:30 AM
1

No it's not, you're fine. That's just pop social media scaremongering and rage trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 08:26 AM
3

Erection =/= horny, not remotely so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 06:47 PM
2

Talk about entitlement
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 04:44 AM
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Underrated comment, and I think part of the reason why women have such shitty impressions of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 04:42 AM
1

Early 30's dude here. Ime I'd guess no more than 5 out of every 100. Tbf I'd say the proportion of men who are datable is about the same, if not lower. Idk I'm just not impressed by the quality of people that society tends to churn out, whether they have vaginas or otherwise. One thing I've noticed is that some of the most deeply troubled women I know come the closest to that almost "unconditional" love you describe. But as far as normie, smart, attractive, high quality women? I can't say I've m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:25 PM
2

Women can never do wrong yada yada
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:27 PM
2

How bout we let OP explain OP's actual life?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:25 PM
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"Confidence" in dating is more nuanced than that, though. Ime when women say they want a confident guy, they usually mean a guy who is confident enough to lead them into excitement and romance; not just a general "he has good posture and smiles" faux confidence. Chads can get by on their looks for a certain amount of time and with certain women, but the dudes who can confidently propose something tacky like idk a vegan picnic and swing dancing and fucking own it and make it an enjoyable, memorab…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 01:57 AM
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Right back at ya blondie🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 05:11 PM
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I'm guessing a woman wrote this based on the title alone. For some reason, this idea that male porn consumption is the root cause of all sexual and romantic dysfunction is extremely popular among women who spend too much time on the internet. Didn't even read the post; I can tell you two things from the title: you're a woman and you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 03:00 PM
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I think they meant that, even though he lost his virginity relatively late in life, it was still yeeeaaars before they met, so not a big deal. It's not safe to assume that an older virgin has developed a pathology around their virginity, and definitely not the particular "arm's length" thing you describe. Everyone's different, and their reasons differ accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 02:45 PM
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You missed the part about safety concerns
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 02:44 AM
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Out of pure curiosity Okay, I'll play with fire and assume you actually are just purely curious. ​ Why are you guy soo negative towards women “partying” spending their time when their younger travelling and meeting new people and working out their kinks and boundaries as a bad thing? To begin, I don't think men have a problem with women traveling and meeting people, lol. But the partying and sexual exploration part can be a turn off for a lot of guys. The reasons are many and varied. I think for…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 02:49 AM
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"Fat as fuck" precludes those imo. You're imagining this guy to be a demigod gigachad, just picture a typical big fat bouncer. A guy like that is not at all conventionally attractive and could very easily have no luck with women, but OP is saying that dude does because of his personality and confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:02 AM
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Honestly laughable that you think their height just magically overrides their other flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 05:50 AM
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Many men say they've experienced it, because they've experienced it; myself included. Why do women deny it? I would guess it's something related to "women are wonderful" bias, and women's general propensity to overestimate the extent to which they understand women, can speak on behalf of women, etc. To the first point, here's how I've experienced it: the man is emotionally supportive of the woman. He supports her when there's hardship in her family, when she's struggling in her career, when she'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:55 PM
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Again, you haven't answered my question love.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 07:32 PM
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Reread the question, then get back to me darling.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:59 PM
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OP is talking specifically about NYC; NYC-specific statistics are the most sensible ones to use. To use national statistics is to ignore the nuances of NYC's history, local laws, demographic profile, etc. Why do you think NYC-specific statistics are inferior to national statistics when discussing NYC?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:36 PM
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No, it's not cherry picking. Statistics are supposed to be as narrow in scope as possible. If you were an NYC lawmaker, you would use statistics specific to NYC to inform your decisions. You wouldn't give a fuck about national statistics, or statistics about Billings, MT, or whatever, because the dynamics behind statistics differ so much from place to place, and time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:13 PM
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Yeah I share this take. The quote is nice and speaks to a truth in a beautiful way, but it's too narrow. Everyone evaluates themselves relative to archetypes. The woman in the quote evaluates herself according to what an archetypical man might value, you mention moderating your behavior according to what an archetypical woman might value, etc. There are several women here saying this quote scares them, and I don't think it should. It's like telling people that, no matter who they are, or how old…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 05:59 PM
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Mid so far :/ Got anything better???
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 12:25 PM
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What's hilarious is that you are an actual femcel lol. Say some more stuff pls, I wanna see more
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 12:11 PM
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Lol, sure thing princess. You've earned it, now hold your breath for me pretty please🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 11:40 AM
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Whoa now ladies, ladies...this is not true. Most men don't hate high n-count women; the question of high n-count comes up in this sub weekly, and the vast majority of guys don't care about it. The vast majority of guys prefer relationships over casual shit, too. I mean even if a dude just wants to have a lot of sex, it's much easier for him to get it from a committed relationship than to go through the effort and games of courting a bunch of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:15 AM
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Remind me what this sub is called...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:55 AM
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As a dude, your description of the average inattentive man describes every last one of my ex-gfs. It seems like society doesn't really encourage much investment in others generally, and you see that across genders. It also seems that women receive a lot of mixed messaging on relationships, and as a result, I don't think most really know what they want. They'll will say they want romantic LTRs, but aren't prepared for the reality of them. Take your point about individual romance. You want a guy t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:04 AM
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Agreed. How low-value can "chad" be if most guys want to be him?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 01:19 AM
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Agreed. People under 23 are like feral animals. Guys embarrass themselves to impress women, women let their sexual value get to their heads, and everyone is fueled by an insane hormonal shitstorm that makes sensible gender relations difficult. When you're surrounded by all that as a young person, it can seem like that's just how the dating world is. But I think you're right; OP is describing new manifestations of the same old insanity; things will simmer down after they get a little older.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:21 PM
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It's not that deep. Some guys appreciate a proposition, others don't. Just like women. There's no moral high ground/low ground/whatever, it's just a matter of preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:40 PM
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I agree, and I'm guilty of it myself tbh. Not sure if it's right, wrong, or a reasonable preference, but I get that it could be jarring to be routinely judged so harshly. The ex I referred to dressed very plainly, and was a fairly "proper" woman. She didn't really exude sexual energy, even though I thought she was beautiful. So maybe I would have been more forgiving of a high number because, in her case, it would have seemed balanced. Like she likes sex, is good at getting it from people, but it…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 07:36 PM
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I'm not a promiscuous guy myself, so for women over 22, I typically think a number that accommodates a few LTRs + a moderate hoe phase is reasonable. My ex had been with 3-5 people when we started dating (both at 22). Intuitively, I think that number could have been a bit over ten before I would have started to consider a potential difference in values and worldview. Obviously that number would increase with age, but I'd still place 20 as my cap when looking for people who are serious about the …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 03:40 PM
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Even still, redditors underestimate how niche their beliefs are. Look at this sub, do you really think the average man puts this much thought and effort and nerdy strategizing into their relationships? Uses or even knows terms like "Chad-widowed" and "looksmax" and shit? Reddit's whole thing is that it's a weird place for weird people to feel normal with each other. It is seriously the last place anyone should look to determine what the "average" person believes, thinks, feels, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:11 PM
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Lots of perfect people in this thread. I did exactly that. I was a late bloomer, and the woman who asked me out had the normal amount of experience for people our age, while I was a virgin. We had a healthy, two-year long relationship, and I'm glad I didn't disclose my virginity or give reason to doubt my sexual past. I think it makes sense to do it IF you understand that this will be one of the most unsavory things you do in your life, and that the dishonest behavior should stop there. If it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 09:21 PM
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I kind of get what they mean. I wouldn't generalize it to all women, and it may be a pretty gender-neutral phenomenon. Take as an example a dude who has some physical and behavioral faults he wants to fix. Shitty jawline, too fat, he sees that he's dishonest and wants to fix it, wants to be a kinder person, etc and starts working on it. A lot of people will see that and think "He's trying to hide those things". They think that faults are fundamental to who you are, and feel that you can't fix th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 09:03 PM
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What your speaking of does not address the issue I was trying to bring attention to, which is twofold: 1.) Women reflexively excuse/downplay their collective misbehavior on this issue, and 2.) There is a double standard by which it's seen as more acceptable to victim-blame a man who is mistreated by a woman than vice versa. Your argument appears to be that women's discouragement of male vulnerability is not comparable to the occurrence of abusive relationships, because one is a gendered phenomen…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:02 PM
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They are in fact comparable in the ways you say they aren't. The experience of myself and a lot of the dudes here is that their partner gives no indication that they'd drop at the first sign of vulnerability. In fact, quite the opposite. They often say they're in it for the long run, they'll love you unconditionally, etc. But when a hardship arises, they drop as soon as the man starts to show real emotional injury. I think the men here are frustrated because it is a form of manipulation, dishone…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 06:31 PM
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This is a studied phenomenon, actually. Much of the pedagogical research upon which modern education is premised used girls as the study subjects. Young girls tend to be much calmer and better at following directions than young boys, so researchers chose to study their behaviors and drew conclusions about how children best learn based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 06:02 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:48 PM
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This is something that really isn't gendered tbh. People in general suck at acknowledging that their choices are not healthy. See: women dating abusers who any guy could tell you should be dropped immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:42 PM
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I really appreciate this comment, thanks. Everything you wrote is true, and it's nice to see some sensible pushback to the gaslighters, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:13 PM
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Nah, boundaries are mando. They're just not a big deal, and not really something that should define one's personality. Assertiveness is something I would expect a mature adult to strike a balance on. Most situations where boundaries come up do not require that much assertiveness. Just a teensy amount of it goes a long way. If someone is overbearing in how they enforce their boundaries, then they're not yet an emotionally mature, well-adjusted adult, and I would stay away. Not the end of the worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:00 PM
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False. Women who regularly post on reddit writ large don't seem to be representative of the average irl woman. Even moreso on this sub; they seem to be really fucking pissy on this sub, for some reason. That said, most men are not pilled/PUA/whatever, and don't devote as much thought and effort to the hunt as the guys here seem to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:33 PM
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Yeah. I get the intent of OP's description, but it does paint a picture of an unstable, pissed off person. Think of men who say shit like "I don't take BS from anyone and god forbid you try to fuck with me". Just really anti-social behavior and kind of cringey. Same with women. If they have such an adversarial view of themselves, men, and the world, they come off as grown children cosplaying as adults imo, rather than actual, mature, well-adjusted, high-EQ ass adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:21 PM
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Huge and true. I've had hair...and lost it. I've had great style....and been confused for a homeless man. Of all the differences in attractive features I've experienced, none have had a greater effect than fitness. Didn't matter what the hair/style/whatever situation was; if I was in shape, I got women's attention. If I wasn't, I didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 09:51 AM
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