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that is why it terrifies me when politicians use feminist social studies to enact half witted laws. This has not happened. Feminism is political suicide in Washington. There are feminist politicians who avoid calling themselves feminists because it causes people to freak the fuck out. It's like socialism. It's te big scary monster under America's bed that everyone is afraid of even though it's not a monster and they aren't scary and they aren't under the bed. The social paradigm is a construct. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/14 04:48 PM
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You know, to an extent. You are right. People aren't that different from eachother. Except, for some reason, the difference between people is super fuckin important when it comes to gender differences. Guess what? The way men and women make decisions and our base desires aren't that different either. We can't ignore that humans are different from one another. We are highly social animals, so even our most minute differences among our species feel important to us. People still freak out about peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/14 03:12 PM
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I find it fucked up that you're trying to describe a world in which people resisting domination is a bad thing and being dependent on another human being for life necessities as a good thing. People, in general, strive for independence. It doesn't matter if they have a P or a V. Sure, most of us want an equal partner who we greatly respect about as much as they greatly respect us, but everyone would prefer to be able to fend for themselves if they had to. You see, your problem is you oversimplif…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/14 02:17 AM
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Again, you're trying to find exceptions to prove that it's good in general. That is never a good argument to make. There will always be exceptions to rules. Get that through your head now while you still can. The great thing about being an honest person is that people will tell you how they're feeling more willingly than if you're an asshole. So I never have to assume anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/14 02:41 PM
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Then that's a sexual fetish that is fine with a consenting partner. But people like that usually only want to be treated as an object in the bedroom. Those people still deserve basic human respect. Also, the existence of a few women who are into consenting objectification during sex is not a reason to assume all women want to be fucked that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/14 10:28 PM
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A woman being sexual is not objectification. A woman being sexual who's treated like an object is objectification. It's only objectification if you treat them like they're not human and/or something to be used by other humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/14 07:14 PM
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Except that kind of behavior doesn't make me feel lustful. I feel lustful if a guy starts talking about string theory or intersectionality, I feel lustful if he has tatted out arms, and I feel lustful if I come across a hot girl who is a feminist like me. But I do not feel lustful about angry alphas not do I feel like "betas" are the safer option. Every person I'm intimate with is an "unsafe" option because putting yourself on the line for someone else is always fucking difficult. It doesn't mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/14 04:57 PM
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Ok... So if being alpha is what my ex was being, and I no longer am attracted to alphas for that reason, does my preference for betas mean TRP is wrong or am I just a unicorn exception to a general rule about female preferences? And you would never get the opportunity to take that challenge, dude. I don't fuck misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/14 04:20 PM
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I mean, I'm aware that I've dated a wimp or two, but I've dated some tough as shit dudes. Most of the men I've dated who were needy emotionally, were also the dudes who you wouldn't want to fuck with. The kind that gets jealous and beats the crap out of someone or who get red as a tomato during any small fight because they can't contain ther own rage. One of my exes went to anger management after a fight he had with an ex of mine( a comic book nerd who actually dumped me when his ex moved back t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/14 03:12 PM
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You've been intellectually dishonest throughout this discussion... No. Wait. You're just that ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/14 02:51 PM
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I have had a higher libido than any man I've been in a relationship with. I also end up with men who ask for more emotional intimacy from me than I'm willing to give. Am I actually a man or are you just pulling shit out Of your ass? I'm gonna go with the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/14 02:12 PM
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Except you don't want that. TRP asserts frequently that men and women are different and should be treated differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/14 04:31 PM
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In the way you describe "holding frame", it seems like a catch all term for being assertive and confident. In that case, I don't see a problem with it. The way you define it is certainly not an act at all. I do think it is often used to mean something different among some members of TRP. Many people seem to use it to mean beig "tough" or "alpha", instead of speaking true feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/14 04:29 PM
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I'm not sure, but it seems like it should have been one. It's too much a part of the red pill to not be vigorously debated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 11:12 PM
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I never understood this argument because it requires the assumption that men are clueless about women who wear makeup. Like seriously. I've come across some dumb dudes before but none dumb enough to see a woman with blue eyelids and think "that must be how she really looks"! In that regard, if wearing makeup is lying, so is clothing. We can't see how someone's body really looks, how are we to know we like them? Idk maybe because you get along with them? Sometimes, I put makeup on for fun. It rem…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 10:27 PM
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I will definitely not be reading "The Game", thank you. I'm busy reading books that actually matter. But thanks for the condescension! Have a nice day! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 10:22 PM
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I appreciate the rare red pill man who can admit that there are flawed portions of TRP. Discussions would be a lot less frustrating if more people were cordial about their opinions. That said, I do not agree with the claim that sexual strategy is amoral (read disclaimer above). I appreciate an equal approach to everything though, even things I disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 10:18 PM
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I don't consider lifting to be a TRP exclusive peice of advice. Working out is good for you, and however you decide to keep yourself healthy is your own personal choice. I don't think lifting to achieve a certain look is immoral, because there are a multitude of other reasons people lift other than simply aesthetic ones. However, telling a woman that you love that she makes poo shaped earings to sell on etsy even though you really think it's dumb just to get her in the sack is an immoral action,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 10:09 PM
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Amoral entities(such as a social theory ie TRP) aren't defined by moral/immoral action because amorality is a rejection of moral guidelines at all to act towards a specific goal (in the case of TRP, a satisfying sex life). That's why you have men justifying extramarital sex with the amorality of sexual strategy and lying to women about their personalities (holding frame, PUA strategies that are basically scripted for social situations, advice given that tells men to lead women on about dating un…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 09:37 PM
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TRP uses women as an excuse because being honest with a person you're intimate with is harder than putting on an alpha mask and "holding frame". The strawman woman you construct is not what most women want. It's just that TRP theory only applies to women who fit that stereotype (ie insecure, emotionally disturbed, possibly sociopathic women) and other women are immediately turned off by the strategies. You had no solid proof that women prefer a man who isn't vulnerable. Given you're telling this…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 09:06 PM
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The idea that men and women are identicle is not a feminist principle. The idea that men and women are equal is a feminist principle. Two people could be identicle but not treated equally, and two people can be different but treated equally. Are you aware of the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 08:57 PM
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You are making a lot of unfalsifiable claims here. Arguing about gender roles with a red piller is about as circular as trying to debate the existence of god with a born again christian. Your arguments are faith based, not logic based. You also depend on the construction of a feminist straw man so large, you could burn it in the desert and a flock of hippies would have a festival around it. Western culture is patriarchal, and until very recently, women were resigned to a life of unpaid labor and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 06:42 PM
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Emotion is not akin to irrationality. It is rather telling that my "emotion" I.e. Explaining how it might feel to be a rape victim (or using empathy) is seen as "weepy" to you. That is how hyper masculine cultures that breed in places like TRP damages men. It makes them think showing emotion is weak, when in fact, showing emotion is perfectly natural and even rational. TRPers tend to forget that pathos is just as crucial to argumentation as ethos and logos is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 06:36 PM
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It's "attractive". With two "t"s. Not "atractive". Again, you make a claim that TRPers on average are happier wen that statement is not only statistically untrue, but is unfalsifiable. So please, stop trying to say you're beliefs are based in logic when you are not making logical claims. Gender roles are perfectly fine to fit into if that is how you want to be, but creating a rigid set of rules to follow about behavior based on gender is a futile task and one that lacks foresight into human beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 05:59 PM
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How can you approach this issue without emotion? It's a bit disrespectful to not use at least a smidgeon of human empathy. Rape is awful, and our system that allows most cases of rape to be considered impermissible because it usually happens in private should show that we need to consider changing the system. Of course rapists aren't going to rape their victims where someone can see or record them. The law is on their side. Once they get them alone, the issue becomes he said/she said and they're…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 05:42 PM
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And unfortunately, high school and college is where a lot of this violence happens, because young girls don't know any better. They get raped and what do they do? They haven't been taught what happens after they get raped and they've probably experience what happens second hand to girls who get raped and tell people. You report it to the police and then what happens? More than likely (over 50% of the time) the case doesn't even go to trial, your rapist walks around without fear of retribution be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 05:15 PM
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But don't you see how this is a logical fallacy? There are happy couples who aren't TRP, but they are unsustainable realistically. All Unhappy relationships are due to not using TRP. Even happy couples who aren't TRP aren't as happy as TRP couples Thus, the only true happiness is TRP. This argument depends on a couple of incorrect assumptions - the first is that happiness can be objectively measured. It can't be. It can to a degree, but for the most part happiness is a subjective goal that is di…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 05:04 PM
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I'm not sure where you live because here in America, communities are still filled with traditionalist, rapist apologizers who protect young men who serially rape women. I grew up in Texas - in highschool, a friend of mine was raped by her coworker who also went to school with us. She reported what happened to her boss... And the issue mysteriously disappeared and she got fired. Then, people at school started saying that she's a slut who lied about what he did because she's ashamed. They said she…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 01:29 PM
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You can't separate the two. They are both founde on the same philosophies. You deny western feminism but are ok with those on 3rd world countries, because you're scare of how people will judge you if you say all women's rights are bad but you still don't really want to see women be equal. I think true equality scares the shit out of you, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 01:23 PM
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You may not, but many people do. I had a female manager who was told by an employee that he doesn't take orders from women. She have him another chance to comply, he refused so she soon fired him. I wasn't there for that but I was told that he threw an angry fit and threw a chair at her. I have heard many stories similar to this. It happens literally all the time. In most cases, men who rape women are protected by their male friends and even some of their female friends. There may be an angry da…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 03:10 AM
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Easy: you don't have to qualify yourself in order to be seen as an authority figure to those who work below you because you're a man. If you ask for a raise, you're more likely to receive one because you're a man. You're less likely to be physically threatened by someone who is sexually interested in you because you're a man. Shall I continue?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 01:16 AM
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The Blue Pill is just people who don't agree with the red pill. There is no in between. You're either red pill or you're not. I feel like people here take "blue pill" to mean feminism. As a mod at the blue pill, I can tell you right now that there are lots of "blue Pillers" who know red Pillers are idiots that are not feminists. We just like to mock the hateful pseudoscience that is the red pill. Get it straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/14 11:31 PM
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Actually, you do benefit from it. Quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/14 11:26 PM
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The argument that feminism is a first world woman's movement is one founded in ignorance. There are hundreds of grassroots women's rights movements in developing nations. One of the most famous ones is rural India's Pink Gang - they're a collection of poor women in rural, northern India who protest corrupt, patriarchal law enforcement and teach women how to beat men with giant bamboo sticks. They're way more radical than us rich American Girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/14 11:23 PM
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You're arguing from a standpoint that TRP had been proven true. It hasn't been. It's actually outlandishly wrong, most of it's theories having already been disproven or straight up logical fallacies. The people who believe it's true are delusional and willfully ignorant of the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 05:07 PM
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The MRA blogosphere
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 01:54 AM
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4Chan, YouTube, the manosphere, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 01:49 AM
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Actually, attacking you would be the emotional response. The logical response to your poorly constructed argument is to ask for further clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 11:42 PM
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You can't give credit to a group for giving people rights of which who's rights that group was responsible for taking away. That's like totaling your sister's car and then getting upset when she doesn't thank you for fixing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:23 PM
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You're ignoring all of the fighting and protesting that brought the men who made a system where only they can have power to let women and minorities be treated kind of like people. You give them too much credit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:45 AM
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Again, you think you're being really smart, but you're not. If I'm so stupid, then tell me what I'm missing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:07 AM
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It's not a matter of fact. It's an opinion. Get it straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:06 AM
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You're being condescending in a way that doesn't even accurately react to what I said... That's like a whole new level of stupid lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 02:09 AM
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You don't really see most dudes being the ones who write comics like this one either. Men aren't responsible for the gains in rights women have had and will have in the future. Women aren't responsible for starting activism for men. Isn't that what TRP is all about? Stop being so whiny. If you want things to change, fucking change them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 02:04 AM
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You see? Why didn't you just start with the irrational fat shaming and name calling. Then we'd all have known to just ignore you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 02:01 AM
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Anecdotes are poor forms of evidence. Just FYI.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 08:58 PM
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I do, but I guess I'm one of those people who extends that line of thinking to "it could be worse, but we should really try to make things better for those who have it worse". Like, I know that I'm lucky, but that doesn't make me feel apathetic about the injustices that I face despite that and the injustices that others face without the luck that I was granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 06:13 PM
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My point is, not everyone feels the same way or necessarily should feel the same way. If someone is getting disrespected, we shouldn't tell those getting disrespected to just ignore it and accept the abuse as reality. We should be putting pressure on those who think it's ok to harrass and assault others to change their behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 05:54 PM
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It is the same, actually. Because when your friends say that, they are saying "I know you're getting sexually assaulted and harassed by inconsiderate assholes, but at least you have a big cock". Like, you shouldn't have to tolerate that shit. Its unacceptable for someone to assault and harrass someone because they have certain physical attributes. It's still not ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 05:44 PM
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In that case, why are you telling someone that they should "just be happy they're not ugly". It doesn't seem like either side is being treated with respect. Attractive women get objectified and ugly women are rendered invisible. You seem to be apathetic to the truth that's revealed here: all women are treated with a certain level of disrespect by some men just because they are women. This is a problem. It should be discussed. We have a right to be angry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 04:21 PM
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You know, I hate that people think this argument is legitimate. To answer your question though, even though I was lucky enough to be born conventionally attractive, the way some men behave when they see me on the street does make me wish i was horrifyingly ugly. Yeah I'd be invisible to the opposite sex, but at least I could walk to the cornerstone for coffee without someone commenting on my ass or following me to my house. I'd take that deal any day of the fuckin week.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:47 PM
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I'm a walking joke and you're the punch line.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 08:23 PM
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I never claimed that there aren't bad women out there. There are. Lots. However, our culture clings to a hyper masculine cultural norm that prevents men who don't fit that norm from gettig the support they need. Our society barely does enough to help female victims of abuse and we've acknowledged their existence for centuries before we began acknowledging male victims. The fact is, getting rid of those harmful gender norms, the biggest goal feminists of all kinds hope to achieve regardless of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 05:05 PM
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No, it makes you look like an idiot who has no idea how both movements started and what kinds of oppression each group faced. It makes you look ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 05:00 PM
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You can't compare gendered oppression to racial oppression. The historical context is completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 12:09 PM
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When men make laws and regulations that prevent women from working or being drafted ormfoghtonin certain areas, it does make it to where we die less. However, those decisions were made by sexist men, not sexist women, I'm afraid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 12:08 PM
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The difference between TRP and fighting for civil rights is one movement's goal is to get middle class nerds laid and the others is to give human beings equal rights. Hmm I wonder why I'm inclined to take one more seriously than the other...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:37 AM
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I think you "study" TRP because you're afraid of what you'll have to do when the world is no longer laid at your feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:14 AM
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As I understand it, those with Aspergers have a hard time reading how others may be feeling or reacting that most people know. That doesn't mean that they can't understand when someone feels upset or hurt and know how they might feel in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:53 AM
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Are you fucking kidding? If I turn on the tv, there is an endless stream of commercials where women are either sexual objects or cleaning kitchen floors and dishes that turns to a tv show where women are digitally and virtually enhanced passive objects of desire for dynamic male characters. If my significant other rapes me, not only do I have to face invasive "investigations" that usually would involve an unnecessary questioning of my previous sex life and leading questions that frame me as an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:50 AM
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I would hardly call NOW powerful. Your best argument for the existence of misandry is the language of a bill that barely passed and was pushed primarily by men for a room full of men who are in denial of men who face abuse on a regular basis... That isn't the act of a feminist übermensch matriarchy. That's a broken political system passing meaningless legislation to give off the impression that they're actually doing something to help their own citizenry. Call me an sjw if you must, but please d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 12:38 AM
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People with Asperger's syndrome feel empathy for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 12:09 AM
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Whenever someone says feminists have a lobbying advantage, I just learned that they've never watched the news before in their life. Educate yourself. Please.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 12:07 AM
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I mean, I never realized how hard it is for some people to access that part of their brain that helps them care about different people...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:38 PM
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It's only morally problematic if a single being intends to end the world. There's no moral dilemma if the world ending is inevitable due to natural forces. I think you're confused as to what "morality" is...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:38 PM
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So.... You're a sociopath?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:36 PM
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That study does not say that females behave more similarly than males do to their chromosomes. It says that males break the expected pattern of behavior due to their Y chromosomes. This paper doesn't even discuss how it effects social behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:36 PM
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People like me don't have to find common ground with people like you. Your views stomp all over my autonomy, whereas my views don't stomp on anyone. All in all, if you threaten to stomp on me, I'll stomp on you first.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:33 PM
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Which is morally problematic. Unlike you, I have empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:03 PM
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Douchebaggery
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:02 PM
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That is some bullshit that you just crapped all over your computer monitor. I'm definitely gonna need the study that backs up that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 07:58 PM
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You are continuing to miss my point. Every time you say "they" in reference to women as a whole, you prove that your whole perspective on the world is fucked. Women aren't a hive mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 07:44 PM
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You can't even name the person... But since you mention it, rosin argues in her book "The end of men" that society is slowly beginning to change from patriarchal to equal. We are still entrenched though. The end of men DOES NOT say that misandry is real. Rosin says that male domestic violence victims not receiving the help they need is a symptom of patriarchy. A patriarchal society believes men are so superior to women, that a "real man" can't get hurt by a mere woman. That's why they are used i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 07:42 PM
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After hundreds of years of entrenchment where only white men had a political voice, society is still trying to get caught up. If anything, the statistical discrepancy between how many women are a part of society compare to who has political power shows just how rigged the game really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 07:37 PM
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Except for the times you don't and call women manipulative hamsters who only want your money and your DNA, who don't know what "no" means when they say it, and can't STEM. I mean, I don't even know how you can pretend TRP is about male accountability. It's clearly a place for men to scapegoat their loneliness on the awfulness of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 05:38 PM
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If women aren't in power, it's not a matriarchy. Yes, it's true that in a matriarchal society, men would hold positions I power and possibly act sexist towards other men, just as there are women on out patriarchal one who are sexist towards women. However, misandry cannot exist at a systematic level within a patriarchal society. It just isn't possible. And the red pill is only growing because there are fewer places that accept misogyny. The red pill is one of the few places that are left. Your d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 05:24 PM
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Fact check! Who are most of the judges within the US court systems doing most of the sentencing? Oh the answer is older white guys! The belief that men should have harsher prison sentences is a patriarchal one that stems from the patronizing belief that women are dainty and can't handle what men can.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:22 PM
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Yes, and the KKK believed minorities were all planning to take over the whites and turn them all into slaves. It's typical of te oppressor role to become terrified that the oppressed will do exactly what was done to them when they gain equality to those who have oppressed them. This belief is usually false, as most women and minorities just want the same opportunities that white men have. Misandry isn't real. The political and economic spheres are both dominated by men. There is no systematic di…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:12 PM
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It's certainly not becoming more common. Misogyny used to be an accepted part of society that noone talked about. Now, people are openly talking about sexism which means the sexists either get called out by other people or reveal themselves and pretend to be proud of it. This has happened everytime an oppressed group gains civil rights. Right now, the oppression is truly being revealed because women aren't afraid to talk about their oppression anymore. In less than a decade, I imagine groups lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:59 PM
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Except the top voted comments all agree that banning the red pill is not the right move. Look, fellow, TBP does not aim to censor the red pill, given if we censored you, our sub wouldn't have a purpose. I believe everyone should be able to voice their opinion no matter how illogical and bitter those opinions may be (ahem... TRP). Further, openly mocking hate groups such as the red pill is the only way for the sad men who turn to it to realize how misguided it is to put their blame on women for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:53 PM
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Tell me why solipsistic is a trait that applies to women an not men. It seems to be a term that isn't gender specific, but is in fact, just generalized about people. Solipsism is the philosophical argument that the only thing we can know to be true is our own consciousness. It's not exactly a trait... More of an epistemological standpoint. Further, the traits you have listed very easily apply to men. These are not exclusively female characteristics and that's why your argument is logically flawe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 01:04 PM
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I'm just saying, not asking for consent is irresponsible. Regardless of how your girlfriend feels, if she doesn't consent even once, you've raped her. That's why asking for consent is important. And you obviously suck at going down or wouldn't be so defensive. Not like it's surprising, don't TRPers think going down on a girl is like for betas?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 12:59 PM
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Generalizations serve a purpose, but with gender specifically, the variation from the cultural norms/stereotypes is too great for generalizations to be effective. Saying "all women are dramatic" is about as correct as saying "all people are dramatic". You'll be right for some people but other people will react like "lol wut I'm not like that". You simply can't say 50% of the human race is any one thing. That's a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 10:32 PM
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Sounds like you've chosen an ideology that makes you sad all the time because it paints the world to be a competitive bloodbath where every person is out for only themselves. I can't imagine it'd make you a very happy person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:21 PM
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You seem to not understand my point. You can't say "women are this a men are that" because there will always be people who disprove your point. It isn't occasionally or just from time to time. Always. This means, speaking in generalizations about gender is futile at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:05 PM
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I'd love to find a man I'm attracted to that no one else is attracted to. For an egoist point of view, that situation would be quite comfortable for me and I'd stick with it forever, if it were possible. Unfortunately, attractive people tend to be attractive to more than one person. It's the blessing and the curse of being a sexy human.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 05:45 PM
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That was a whole lot of rape apologia that I am not going to read. Your confirmation bias is showing though, because I have never not talked about sex before it was gonna happen. Verbal consent is not hard to give or get from your partner. It has happened everytime I've had sex. I've had sex with women, so this trumps your "but women don't say stuff" claim. Women who are into you will definitely say something. Maybe you just suck at going down?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 12:43 PM
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I think your problem is that your talking to men about a specific woman's consent. Only that woman knows if she consents. Only her. Nobody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 04:05 AM
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Lol you have a skewed way of looking at things, but if it'll get you to be quiet... Sure, Sugar, you "wrecked"me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 11:48 PM
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Generalizations are useful for oversimplifying very complex arguments. They are not useful for constructing rigid social theories that affect the lives of actual people. Consent is not black and white, but lack of a no is not a yes and a pressured yes is not a real yes. And all of my partners gave me verbal consent of some sort. So in a sense, sure you could be right, and there are certainly women who rape their male partners which is terrible, however it does nothing to disprove my point on why…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 11:45 PM
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Oh my. You are really not understanding anything at all. This should concern you. Read my previous post again. More slowly this time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 11:40 PM
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"Heterosexual male sexual strategy" doesn't have to include generalizing/ offensive bullshit about women or claiming women shouldn't vote. Nope, I said misogynistic and I meant misogynistic. TRP, specifically, is a misogynistic space. No sir. We are not agreeing here. No means no and more importantly, yes means yes. A healthy sex life is one that includes enthusiastic consent from both parties, not accepted passivity from one to appease the pushiness of the other. The problem with TRP teaching m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 08:52 PM
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There are only terms for them in highly misogynistic groups such as TRP. Consent isn't black and white but it's clear enough that if you have sex when someone has expressed a clear disinterest in doing something, you are violating them. It sounds to me like you may not have a clear idea of what your girlfriend really wants when It comes to sex, and assumed that her passivity is consent. That is a grave mistake if you're wrong about what she wants you to do. The guilt that comes with unintentiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 06:40 PM
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The difference is, you have had a conversation about her kinks and what she likes. I assume you use a safe word, because not using one in this instance is irresponsible. However, you have clearly had consent from your girlfriend in regard to her consenting non-consent fetish. However, most people don't like this. Your girlfriend is an outlier in this instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 05:36 PM
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Mauritania, a country that suffers from food scarcity year round, has the ritual of "gavage", force feeding young girls dense grain meal and goat milk constantly over a period of weeks, in order to make them gain weight and fit their beauty ideals. It causes massive health issues and is tremendously painful, but skinny women are seen as sickly and poor, so mothers fear their daughters fate if they're unable to make them fatter.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 04:52 PM
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Let me clarify for you then, if you have sex with someone who says no to sex or pressure someone who has already said no to sex to say yes through guilt, continuing physical intimacy, or incessant asking until the other party gives up, that is rape. "Rapey" was a dramatic understatement I used to make a point. I am only biased in the sense that any ideology that places one group of people above another group of people doesn't deserve my respect. TRP, White Nationalists, and the WBC are all bigot…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 04:35 PM
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Well, how about the times TRP actually recommended raping people? You know, whenever a poster urges another poster to "push past her LMR" when she vocalizes her non-consent to sex? That's definitely rapey. How about when many TRP users state and agree with the statement that "marital rape isn't real"? That's pretty fucked up. I'm sure other people have the links to both of these things since they get linked to all the fucking time for guys like you who don't see the moral implications of the hat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:29 PM
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You said the slut/stud dichotomy exists. -nyx- provided a well documented study that proves that, overall it's more of a slut/slut hate fest for everyone. Women may be judged more harshly, but men are still judged harshly. It's not seen as a positive for either gender, thus the "men who sleep around are studs" cliche isn't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:14 PM
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It's not so much an insult as an obvious fact that's becoming more and more obvious as this thread continues.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/14 05:54 PM
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I think that is the cultural narrative that is prevalent throughout the western world, but I don't think it's important to address. It's not biology, it's just a history of cultural patriarchy that makes sense when you Look back and think about how society used to be and how we've progressed. However, as a woman who usually makes the first move, I don't really relate to the cliche you're trying to prove.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/14 05:38 PM
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You're thinking far too simply about this. It will never be as easy as "women are this and men are that". Never. However, disregarding the root of why certain genders behave in certain ways - I want to avoid that debate as much as possible to be honest, because it's messy - the recipient of advances is the "gatekeeper" to sex and the initiator is either accepted or rejected by the recipient. That's is definitely the way the social interaction generally goes. Gender has nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/14 09:24 PM
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Hahaha I agree. It's nonsense. And a little narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/14 03:30 PM
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I've heard many definitions, and most of them had reasons why it only applies to males. Yours does not. Does this mean you believe there are alpha females? Or do you not believe women can be leaders?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/14 11:23 AM
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You don't speak for all men either. Who are you? The president of all things that please the penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 07:07 PM
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Culture isn't telling me to like breasts and dicks. That's natural. Culture isn't telling me to be turned off by a man who is too pushy with me. That's natural. In your world view, what comes natural to me is considered unnatural. In my world view, both of our desires are Considered natural because variation in human desire has been accounted for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 06:47 PM
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That is what you're describing. That's why it doesn't make any sense to not put self esteem as a characteristic you'd want or care about a lot in a life partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 06:44 PM
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Sure they will. In the feminist society, there are less restrictions and more freedom for people to follow what comes naturally to them. Our current society makes it difficult for non- heteronormative couples to access the same advantages as heteronormative couples. A feminist society removes all those barriers. In a feminist society, it's perfectly acceptable for a man to pine after conventionally attractive, fertile women with long hair and healthy birthing hips and for a man to pine after the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 06:41 PM
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I don't know you. I have no idea if you're stupid or smart. What I do know is, that specific idea is stupid. I'm engaging you to let you know that you're talking about stupid stuff, because maybe you'd like to not sound stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 04:49 PM
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That's where you get all strawman on me. You see, we've never lived in a post- patriarchal society. As a result, we can't really know what it looks like. What I can say, is a society that treats people of all genders and sexualities equally wouldn't allow one specifics group to take power, be that women or men. Genitalia wouldn't determine who you are or what it's ok for you to do. You could fuck whatever consenting adult you want, rapists of all genders wouldn't be given excuses by a sexist jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 04:47 PM
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I can make sense of what you've said. It's that what you've said is wrong. It's so wrong, it doesn't make sense. For instance, if I said "the sky is made of jello" like it was a fact, you would probably say "that doesn't make sense" because you know the sky is, in fact, not made of jello.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 04:30 PM
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That made no sense. I'm gonna need some citations I you expect me to take these kinda of baseless claims seriously. And don't link me to any white nationalists either. I could use a good laugh, but I don't want you to waste your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 04:18 PM
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"Sexual strategy" is bullshit. People work out, build careers, and achieve many goals for reasons other than sex. I would say that's true in most cases. Humans are complicated creatures. Simplifying all of our desires to sex and reproduction is not only futile, it's straight up stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 04:16 PM
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What a strange way to twist things... If you find a woman with low self esteem who you care about, generally you would like to help them have higher self esteem. If you do not care about her self esteem, how in the world would you ever be able to care about her completely? If it doesn't hurt you that a person in your life doesn't like themselves, what kind of friend/lover/brother/father/whatever are you? In my opinion, it makes you careless and cold.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 04:13 PM
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I think that's an overly simplistic way to view people. Generally, making generalizations is way too general.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 04:10 PM
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Except feminists, who aim to get rid of these arbitrary gender roles and system of determining value so that all people can be who they want with out being "worth" any less. I agree that these are the value systems currently in place for men in women in society. The difference is, TRP says this system is good and manipulates it and the people in it to their advantage. I want the whole thing to burn to the ground. It's garbage. Let's just start from scratch.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 04:00 PM
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But if "what is" is bad and we have the capability to change that, is accepting "what is" really the best way to live? You know what they say... there are two types of evil people: people who do evil things, and people who see evil being done and do nothing to stop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 03:59 PM
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well, I don't believe in TRP. The reasons women do those things because we live in a patriarch society that determines a woman's value by her youth, beauty, and the man she "belongs to". I don't like that that's how society functions. I don't consider myself a radical, but if believing that humans can progress past these kinds of rituals is radical, than I guess I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 03:18 PM
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I'm not being nasty. If you only care about physical appearance and a person self esteem or how they hold themselves in public doesn't mean much to you, that's the definition of shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 03:15 PM
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The difference is, feminism has members who do more substantial things. The MRM does not. Both parties have heinous internet trolls, but one party at least does something good for society. The MRM is mainly internet based and is legitimately labeled a hate group by the splc. I have yet to hear about one rape center for men being opened by an mr group.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 02:54 PM
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Idk how you ended on that point. Of course being gay is not a Choice. If anything, homosexuality disproves the black and white narrative of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 02:51 PM
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You sound rather shallow. A girl could be the queen of shiva but if she hates herself and doesn't know how to communicate, what's the point of forming a relationship? I can understand only caring about the physical if you only have NSA sex, but idk how you could tolerate low self esteem an bad social skills over the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 02:49 PM
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Are confidence and social skills an alpha trait for males or just admirable qualities in any human being?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 02:25 PM
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I'm a woman. The idea of pregnancy has scared the shit out of me more than anything else in this world since I was a little girl. I'm attracted to sensitive men and strong women. This is natural for me. Am I not a woman, or is it possible that people's personalities aren't determined by their genitalia?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 02:24 PM
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But I often see the statistic that 20% of men are Alphas that get most of the women and the rest are betas who settle for the sloppy seconds repeated over in TRP. That means that only a small percentage of males in general could ever be alpha, speaking from the standpoint that it's purely biological. And you're right, society does put a pretty large amount of pressure on people. It has a lot of power. Why is this arbitrary social construct good? Why aren't we fighting the narrow label of alpha o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 02:07 PM
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So you're admitting that the alpha/beta dichotomy is an arbitrary set of labels determined by whatever women in your society generally find attractive? You're admitting it's a social construct? Cool. Just checking.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 02:00 PM
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Of course men can talk about men's issues. I have a close friend who hosts men's only group sessions or this exact purpose. A lot of them were in the army, sexually abused, or physically abused and need a safe space to talk about what hurts them surrounded by like minded men. You know how this friend of mine labels himself? A feminist. He greatly dislikes how the MRM acts like they care about men only to cover up all the misogyny and entitlement. The MRM wears the mask of a victim to hide the op…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 01:48 PM
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speaking from a context where the alpha/beta dichotomy is real and not a false theory based off of a disproven study of wolves, why would an alpha teach other betas how to be alpha? From this standpoint of "biology" isn't that entirely terrible sexual strategy to help other males get their genes into the pool? It makes sense for the "betas" but not the "alphas". And if it's possible to be beta but act alpha or be alpha and act beta at will, doesn't that disprove the social theory of "alpha/beta …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 01:41 PM
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Look, being a part of the MRM isn't a lifestyle choice, it's a bad decision. If someone joins a bigoted movement that was created to slow the progress of society but is disguised as a movement that "helps" men, of course I'm going to disagree with it. The MRM is nothing more than a misogynist backlash movement. It's full of privileged white men who think the equal rights of women in society has taken away rights from men and that "masculinity" entitles them to special treatment. I love men. I ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 11:24 AM
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Feminism is about the elimination of harmful gender norms. This means that no one can be judged for their lifestyle. If a man is married to a millionaire woman and he wears pink and loves takig care of kids and cooking, he can do that without being considered less "masculine". And if a woman works out and is happily single and can't cook at all, that doesn't make her less "feminine". The ideas of femininity and masculinity are social constructs that only hurts people who don't fit into the ideal…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/14 10:28 PM
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I have addressed it. Why is pair bonding necessary over the long term? I don't think it is for everyone. Monogamy isn't the natural human state. Most of us have multiple partners throughout our lives and don't feel any different because of it, and I mean that about men an women both. People fuck. It's part of life. Our sex drives are an evolutionary adaptation and both genders have it. You seem to think lots of intimate relationships with people causes some kind of detatchment that causes divorc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/14 11:22 PM
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Than what are you arguing? That divorce is bad? That's only true if you think marriage is good, which is a subjective argument. Marriage was created by society, not a natural state for humans. Monogamy is a choice people make, not an inherent biological law. Given that, there's no real impact to promiscuity or divorce. So, you don't really have a point to prove here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/14 07:00 PM
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Getting a divorce doesn't make a woman soulless. That's a false equivalency.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/14 03:16 PM
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Yepp. Women who enjoy NSA sex from time to time are soulless creatures who aren't worth being in a relationship with. But nothing happens to men who sleep around. Nope. BIOLOGY! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/14 03:14 PM
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And I consider it poetic justice for the guy who lied about his wealth to get a woman into bed getting lied to by his future wife about how many men she's slept with. That doesn't make either party any less weak or manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/14 03:50 PM
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You clearly have some internalized hatred of your own free will. You can say no to sex with your SO. If he has sex with you after you say no, that is rape. Period. If you have a safe word other than no and he ignores your calls to stop, that is rape. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/14 01:09 AM
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I'm all for kinky master/slave stuff... But that shits rape, girl. Have some self respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/14 10:36 PM
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More patronizing! How typical.
/r/MensRights26/10/13 06:26 PM
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Child custody isn't a main focus of any organization, but the disintigration of gender roles, roles that generalize that women are better nurturers and child rearers than men, would eliminate unfair decisions that deny good fathers rights to their children. I have seen many good men lose child custody battles to ex wives who make less than suitable mothers - this results mainly from unfair, untrue stereotypes about people. Can you name one men's rights organization that actively funds support ce…
/r/MensRights26/10/13 06:24 PM
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Yeah you need to look through the debate again. I just did and you have not made an argument backed up by a warrant ONCE. I have no interest in continuin this, but I didn't make it to nationals in debate by making non arguments. Stop pretending you are intelligent. Your rhetorical skills certainly need some work.
/r/MensRights26/10/13 02:38 PM
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I tried to debate with you, and you resorted to shallow, baseless insults and ad hominems. That medicine doesn't taste too good does it? Thanks, patriarchy!
/r/MensRights26/10/13 06:43 AM
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Yeah you're a dumbass. Just because gender politics is too complicated for YOU to understand doesn't mean it's stupid to study. In fact, that just means you're stupid. EDIT: it's funny how you debate...All your logical fallacies are getting in the way of any coherent argument.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 07:37 PM
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Now you're just being an asshole. If you haven't read any feminist books, paid attention to social changes, and call feminism a PSEUDOSCIENCE, you have officially proven your self, not just an idiot, but a condescending idiot. Feminism is a social science, and a broad one at that. It is blankly an ideology that studies gender politics and aims to make society more equal amongst people of different genders. There's as much disagreement among feminist academics as any other social science or ideol…
/r/MensRights25/10/13 12:51 PM
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No, cultures change, society has certainly changed, and ideas have evolved. The things we once held to be true about biology in the 50s have changed significantly. Or do you think that biologists who disagree with old biologists are applying the no true Scotsman fallacy as well? Use a little bit common sense.
/r/MensRights24/10/13 05:07 PM
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"The talk" isn't feminist. Just because it's a bunch of women doesn't means it's feminist. They've said a lot of sexist things on that show. As I've said, you clearly know nothing. EDIT: your average straight male is probably more feminist than some of the women on the show.
/r/MensRights24/10/13 05:05 PM
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You clearly know nothing. Dworkin is outdated as far as feminist academia goes. A whole new wave of feminism has come about since the days of dworkin. A good example of third wave feminist authors would be Judith butler or bell hooks. Clearly, you haven't been keeping up with our changin world. Also, I've read guns germs and steel as well. There's no reason a person can't do both. Unless of course someone isn't mentally capable of reading books on more than one subject. Oops, I may have been abl…
/r/MensRights24/10/13 03:20 AM
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No hive mind, sir and I don't really go on srs, thank you very much. And when you say it's the victims fault for feelin threatened by harassment, that is literally the definition of victim blaming. You're the dense one if you just see that as buzz words. Read a book sometime, you tool.
/r/MensRights23/10/13 04:15 PM
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You said that the reason I get creeped out is socialization to dislike it. That sounds an awful lot like victim blaming to me. Don't back track now that you realize you've been a judgemental person.
/r/MensRights22/10/13 03:40 PM
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You obviously don't know much about modern feminism if that's what you think. Read a book by butler or bell hooks before you say something dumb like that.
/r/MensRights22/10/13 03:37 PM
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What's more threatening to you? Being drunkenly propositioned for oral sex by drunk girl who's most likely smaller ad weaker than you, or being aggressively followed and yelled at for sexual attention by a man nearly twice your own size. Put this shit into context. Your experience is clearly different from mine, but that's not a socialization issue. Also, I know men who have been sexually harassed by women. Tell me, when those men felt uncomfortable and threatened in those situations, were they …
/r/MensRights21/10/13 05:45 PM
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If the people who "proposition" random women on the street had been socialized to treat those women like human beings who deserve respect, maybe this wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Street harassment isn't the same this as somebody giving you a compliment or asking you out. It doesn't feel nice. It's essentially like somebody telling you that thy don't care about your life or your feelings, and that thy feel they're entitled to ogle you and scream for your attention. your body belongs …
/r/MensRights20/10/13 03:58 PM
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I have yet to come across a girl who straight up said they don't like a dude because he's too nice. I've heard "he's nice but I'm not attracted to him" or some variation of that, but never BECAUSE said dude is nice. I feel the stereotype that "nice guys finish last" or "girls only like assholes" comes from a place of rejection from men who are looking for closure. It's just like when women complain that "all men are dogs" or whatever. No. Some guys are great, those girls just don't talk to the r…
/r/MensRights19/10/13 07:46 PM
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There's a difference between a good guy who genuinely cares about people who's found himself struggling looking for romantic companionship and a "Nice Guy". When a feminist is talking about a "nice guy" were usually talking about the asshole who pretends to be nice with te expectation of sex. The "nice guy" isn't really nice. That's not to say there aren't really nice guys, because there are. My boyfriend is certainly one of them. All genders have the capacity for douchebaggery. I hate it when p…
/r/MensRights19/10/13 07:04 PM
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You're your own person. I can't tell you how to behave. Please reciprocate that and don't tell me how to react to creepy shit.
/r/MensRights19/10/13 03:08 PM
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Do you hear the way you're talking about women like we're this mindless blob of flesh that has no individuality or variation? That's a good sign you're generalizing, and when it comes to large groups of people, that usuallu means you're probably incorrect. Not all women are the same. Your anecdotal evidence means shit.
/r/MensRights19/10/13 03:07 PM
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Everyone needs a friend... Unless you're gonna complain about the friendzone, that shit is a deal breaker for me. Otherwise, I'm not cynical enough to assume youre a totally terrible human being. So, let's do this, brah
/r/MensRights18/10/13 08:35 PM
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Do you not have friends? Because those are pretty much the only people who give me compliments. An those compliments are about my personality. I think your lack of compliments is a personal problem, not a gender issue.
/r/MensRights18/10/13 07:53 PM
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You're right that both genders suffer in the system we live in, but I don't think the way op approached the issue was tactful not did it come from a place of understanding or empathy. Everyone's experience is legitimate. I will never react kindly to someone who says my life experiences that caused me some kind of struggle aren't real. That person needs to open up their perception of the world.
/r/MensRights18/10/13 07:27 PM
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Your description and generalizations about the genders and the way they relate are both outdated and simply incorrect. Maybe if you talked to a woman, you wouldn't say such unfalsifiable bullshit.
/r/MensRights18/10/13 07:24 PM
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I don't know, you'd know better than me. Going out to buy cigarettes 10 min ago, a man asked me if I like to ride the d and called me a dumb whore when I flipped him off. If that's a compliment to you, I guess I can't judge you.
/r/MensRights18/10/13 05:47 PM
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We get it. You're angry that women don't give you the attention you think you "deserve". That doesn't mean a woman's experience is illegitimate or overly dramatic. And we don't have a choice to stop it. Overweight women get harassed on the street all the time, and from what I hear, the shit they get is worse than I've even gotten. I've gone out in sweatpants with no makeup on and had a drunk man follow me to my apt, calling me a cunt because I didn't want to go to his place or talk to him. Stree…
/r/MensRights18/10/13 05:37 PM
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