MVenture Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism		MVenture	/r/MensRights	26/12/14 11:24 PM

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-3	Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity" I disagree. I think you can never a million people to agree on what one definition any expression means. Think of the words General Relativity. Now maybe you could get a million astrophysicists at a convention, and they would all understand the math and equations, but they would still disagree on what it means. Do the equations say something about the underlying reality, or is that a completely meaningless question? Still disagreements. And it doesn’t get better with common words. Just say “toma…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/07/20 02:09 AM
2	What are your predictions for sex and gender issues in the 2020s? They are saying they agree with you	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/20 04:58 AM
1	Study: Men who do more housework have less sex Unmentioned in the article is whether the men doing "traditionally" feminine chores were also just as happy. Also, it could just be that the majority of men doing these chores are choosing to do so without factoring in the sex, or are happy to do so despite the personal cost. Love does funny (and wonderful) things to people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/19 06:45 PM
6	When is it okay for unattractive men to approach women? As long as you can not take rejection personally, it's pretty much always okay. Try your best to always be having a life you already really enjoy, and try to be graceful in acceptance or rejection, but if you got that down then it's pretty much okay to go up and take your shot. Basically: if it's a situation you could approach as a hot dude, it's a situation you could approach as an ugly dude.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/19 01:04 AM
1	Is monogomy a mating strategy for unattractive men? So there's this interesting finding in comparative psychology (i.e. looking at animals to understand human behavior) - sexual dimorphism is linked to mating patterns. Simply put, the less difference there is in size between the sexes in a (mammalian) species, the more likely they are to be monogamous. As the difference increases, then you start to see different patterns emerging - starting with infidelity, and moving towards harems (the males are usually the bigger ones among mammals). Good exam…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/19 01:28 PM
2	The impact of video game/internet addiction to the dating/social lives of young adults About whether you can learn this skill after the fact: absolutely, but it helps to have a good mentor	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/19 02:41 AM
3	Does FDS promote a zero-sum dating world? I would argue that there is a flaw in your premise: that FDS doesn't advocate for self-improvement. I may have my own concerns for the people who visit that sub, but they do advocate women readjust their dating habits, and acknowledge that it involves sacrifice. I would even argue that holding standards for oneself that one didn't originally have can be difficult work - and not necessarily just ego-stroking. Changing my own behaviors can be a really difficult process, so I'm not prepared to dism…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/19 12:56 AM
3	Why don't more women get involved in sex work and the sex industry (including webcamming)? Excellent frickin' point thumbs up Knew it was coming	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/19 01:30 AM
1	Men don't "NEED" women, either. Niggling point to make an argument on, but studies tend to show that children do better with multiple parents of any gender. I.e. Children of gay and lesbian couples tend to fare just as well as children of heterosexual couples. Not gonna link as I'm on mobile, but the research shouldn't be too difficult to find. Children do better the more loving adults they have in their lives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/19 09:00 PM
1	are women uninteresting? Generally speaking, it's a hard "no" from me - women in my life have been plenty interesting and great conversation partners. However, when there's romantic or sexual tension (or the possibility of such)... I can see where the comment comes from. There's been a definite trend where the women clam up and I definitely feel a sort of social pressure to carry the conversation. I'm not the biggest hater of the FDS sub, but one thing I think they get really wrong is this idea of it's actually better t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/19 05:34 PM
2	CMV: Dating apps that have height as a mandatory form fill out, should also have a mandatory "body-fat-ratio" section I had a cat who also knew when I was down, and would come check on me to make sure I was okay. Unfortunately, she got one too many grey hairs. I'm sure I don't need to say it, but cherish your time with her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/19 03:49 AM
2	CMV: Dating apps that have height as a mandatory form fill out, should also have a mandatory "body-fat-ratio" section Abusers never think about their impact on bystanders - it's one of the defining qualities. Sorry your pup went through that, but it sounds like she's got a loving owner who has helped her best she can. Again, good on you for moving past the experience best you can. And that pup is lucky to have you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/19 03:36 AM
3	CMV: Dating apps that have height as a mandatory form fill out, should also have a mandatory "body-fat-ratio" section Just excellent :) Happy for ya - I mean it	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/19 02:02 AM
5	CMV: Dating apps that have height as a mandatory form fill out, should also have a mandatory "body-fat-ratio" section Be strong, don't take shit, and I hope you meet someone gives you all the reasons to keep building trust with them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/19 01:51 AM
12	Q4W: how can you tell if a guy is a "porn addict"? Therapist with many years of addictions treatment experience here. I'll tell you the same thing I tell all my clients when they ask if I think someone has an addiction. There are six things I look at: 1) Salience - how important is the activity to the person's daily functioning? Do they do a lot of planning about how and when they can use? 2) Mood altering - does the activity produce a reliable mood altering experience? (Doesn't matter if the experience is negative, it only needs to be reliable.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/19 03:32 AM
1	CMV: Masturbating to porn is healthier than casual sex Okay, just wanted to clarify for everyone participating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/19 05:43 PM
1	CMV: Masturbating to porn is healthier than casual sex Just a question to clarify: your definition of casual sex would include sex with a sex worker. Is that intended?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/19 04:52 PM
2	Women use sex as a weapon. And it's not okay. Just a small point, but I think you're underestimating its importance: libido can change for situational reasons. Let's take as fact men have a higher libido than women. In fact, let's quantify it and say it's literally twice as strong, so he always wants it twice as often. So Mr. and Mrs. Average hook up, and the politics of their relationship look something like what you've been describing - totally imbalanced. But the Mr and Mrs go and get pregnant, and hormones are flying. Now this is the ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/19 12:27 AM
1	Q4All: Anti-feminists. Come up with your own counter movement that you think addresses what feminism gets wrong. I remember thinking so	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/19 09:06 PM
1	Q4All: Anti-feminists. Come up with your own counter movement that you think addresses what feminism gets wrong. IIRC, the Australian NGO distinguished between exclusive conditions - i.e. men only, women only, child only. I think women and children raised similar amounts, but like I said this is all from memory.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/19 10:05 AM
1	DAE see celibacy (from males, when you are female) as a form of empowerment? I can't speak to every point you've made, and I'm not going to try, but it's true that sex changes things. Sex (at all ages) comes with emotional consequences, and it takes people quite a bit of experience to understand what those consequences are for them, and how to best manage them. Having said that, the consequences aren't necessarily negative, even if we end up acting the fool as a result. Sex can be an intensely connective experience as well, and with the right people, a deep and meaningfu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/19 05:38 AM
1	Q4All: Anti-feminists. Come up with your own counter movement that you think addresses what feminism gets wrong. Yes, transitional housing, aka "second stage." I think we must've just had a misunderstanding somehow	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/19 03:55 AM
3	Q4All: Anti-feminists. Come up with your own counter movement that you think addresses what feminism gets wrong. Yuppers. Worked with a lot of NGOs most of my career - though transitional housing tends to be an American term, especially when they mention "second stage". As for the need, yes the women often have children in tow, but there are a whole host of systemic reasons for why that happens. It's certainly not just "women are expected to be caregivers." Honestly, at least where I did most of my work, the families organize themselves (mom with kids on assistance, dad jumping from place to place trying t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/19 01:38 AM
3	Q4All: Anti-feminists. Come up with your own counter movement that you think addresses what feminism gets wrong. Not OP, but I remember reading somewhere that an Australian homeless shelter actually had to change their fundraising material because people donated more money when they saw a picture of a woman or a child that when they saw a man. It's a small example, and I might be misremembering, but I remember being struck by two things: 1) they had data, and 2) the directors themselves said they originally used pictures of men because that represented their typical demographic. Small example, but it stuck…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/19 12:08 AM
4	How successful are highly logical women in dating? My experience - just anecdotal - is they tend to do well at getting dates and generating interest from their partners. It's becomes just another problem to solve with habits to adopt. However, big caveat, their actual relationships have turned into flaming messes (again, just anecdotal). They tend to be out of touch with their emotional needs and how they work. They approach those needs with the same calculating efficiency they approach dating, so they either date another hyper-logical person, t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/19 11:27 PM
1	What IS feminism? (Explanation in body of post) I'll offer one: it's an umbrella term for the collection of philosophical, political, sociological, and cultural movements that promote the empowerment of women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/19 10:27 PM
1	Why do some men gatekeep nerdier hobbies or interests against women? I don't assume that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/19 12:02 PM
2	Why do some men gatekeep nerdier hobbies or interests against women? Just my two cents - it's a combination of wanting to welcome women, but also an internalized monologue of self-recrimination from years of bullying. We're never so vulnerable as when we're faced with what we want. Experience with being bullied (at home, in school, wherever) tends to create an internalized reaction that simultaneously seeks out ways to get our needs met, while also distrusting anyone who purports to help else along the way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/19 05:21 AM
1	Why should women care about the sexual and dating issues of men? When every new person we trust is also a potential betrayer... When each one of us is a survivor (and perpetrator) of that kind of treatment... When we have so many reasons to act in only a self-interested manner, as it seems like everyone else is doing to us... Under those circumstances it is simply incredible to me that we elect to care about each other anyway. Nothing I've ever read in evolutionary theory has suggested that's the way it had to turn out, but here we are. We might as well learn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/19 12:44 AM
1	PSA: Women’s ability to have casual sex has no significant positive impact on our lives. I just meant the sex itself is had casually. Slow weekend watching movies with your boyfriend? Why not have some casual sex! I know you were focusing on casual sex outside of LTRs. My point is that "casual sex" isn't specifically only found outside of LTRs. But like I said, small detail.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/19 04:13 PM
1	PSA: Women’s ability to have casual sex has no significant positive impact on our lives. Small detail, but I think it's relevant: Casual sex within a loving relationship is totally awesome. Women's ability to enjoy that without worrying about pregnancy is totally important to their overall happiness. (I'm sure I could find research on this, but I hate doing that on my mobile.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/19 02:49 PM
47	What do you think of women who are isolated and rejected by society? Is she isolated and rejected, or is she living the life she chooses?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/19 02:39 PM
2	Clearing out my saved posts and found this from my Pre-RP days. Thought it would be nice to share. Actually pretty darn sensible. Works for me to keep the wishlist simple and just discover the rest as I go along.	/r/TheRedPill	30/05/15 04:48 PM
1	After frequenting this subreddit I am absolutely terrified of being in a relationship with women. Absolutely this. All healthy relationships are built on trust. If that's coming with difficulty these days for you, take a break from the news and do the things that reaffirm your internal strength, your resilience when things do go wrong, and your acceptance for having limits just like everyone else does. The world isn't safe, but it'd be a shame if you let that fact keep you from engaging with it.	/r/MensRights	01/02/15 04:16 AM
1	Red pill - we need you to fix the homogamy. Are you up to the challenge? Regarding financial independence: like I said, I'm not an RPer. I believe I just unstand the underpinnings of the approach (evolutionary and comparative psychology), and I have enough experience to make some decent judgement calls. I believe the position I offered is actually a more sophisticated way of looking at the situation - one I encourage RPers to explore for themselves and see what they think. Like I said, I just think it's RP-consistent (i.e. still operates from the same underpinnings).…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 11:29 PM
1	Red pill - we need you to fix the homogamy. Are you up to the challenge? Not a red-piller, but I believe there exists an RP-consistent explanation for the phenomenon that rests on the idea of scarcity. Simply put, there is only so many resources that each sex in a hetero-normative relationship can offer. If women's SMV can be attributed to their nubility, men's corresponding SMV can be attributed to their assets. Women only have so many children they can bear. Men have only so much wealth they can distribute. Such that, each sex (from this perspective) has to weigh t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 05:03 PM
0	What do you think of the "Ryan Gosling Test"? Is THAT what those two little icons are?! Wow, I'd been wondering about that for ages. So, if I see a posting I think is valuable, and it reflects RP theory, then the proper compliment is to actually give that posting the red pill with the upward triangle - and not the purple pill symbol?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/14 03:37 AM
1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism i have invited each part of the conversation to greater clarity and understanding on the issue and, since I have responded to every post, I have invited myself to do that more often than anyone else. I also believe an honest reading of what I've written would demonstrate that I've been endeavouring to treat each person with empathy and respect. Admiration is quite possible, even when parties are in conflict, and the ones who are most threatened by that prispect are the ones that have the most un…	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 03:23 AM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I'm curious if your opinion has changed at all as I've been posting.	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 03:10 AM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I wonder, have you been reading my replies since?	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 03:09 AM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Am I a bad Jew because this post made me laugh so hard? :-P We Jews are certainly just as capable of making asses of ourselves as anyone else. In some ways it's worse because we insist only always writing it down to share with others. Oy gevalt. A personal favorite: Moishe and Finkelstien, two business partners in the fashion district in New York, find themselves one evening at a black-tie affair. All of the sudden, Moishe get a stricken look on his face, slaps his forehead, grabs Finkelstein by…	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 03:07 AM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I appreciate this. I can't draw any conclusions about why this issue is passionate to some and not others, but I've come to appreciate in this discussion that the vast majority of MRAs here aren't interested in denigrating the faith. I walked in with that assumption, but it was still nice to have it validated.	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 02:57 AM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I confess that one of my concerns is that a legislative solution is not neccessarily the proper approach to take in this matter. Also, 18 doesn't reflect the ages that we set for other elective cosmetic surgeries such as rhinoplasty, where young people under the age of 18 can have the procedure done with parental consent. Since I'd argue that rhinoplasty is a much more traumatizing procedure (to the body that is!), 18 does seem a bit late to me. There are other concerns, perhaps specifically Jew…	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 02:54 AM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism "All freedoms have limits" - And it's precisely those limits we are debating. As to the facial tattoo hypothetical (some ringing bell is telling me there is a culture that has this practice, but I can't remember which)... You may find this hard to believe, but I wouldn't necessarily interfere with their practice. Yes, even if babies die as a result. For one reason, morality can be relative. Jews actually believe that it is easier to be a "good" person as a non-Jew because there are fewer strictu…	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 02:44 AM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism When a culture claims that their practice is part of a religious observance then, yes, I hold my country to a higher burden when politicians look to legislate against it. And yes, I apply that perspective even when I am not a memebrr of that religious community, nor when I find their practices difficult to accept. I do perceive religious freedom as a merit in its own right - not inviolable, but "the tyranny of the majority" can trouble me when we discuss interfering with that freedom. In Canada,…	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 02:21 AM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism That's very true about some religious practices, and untrue about others. For example, many Christian faiths baptize children, and some even practice baptisms for the deceased because of their belief that none can enter into heaven without it. There's also the consideration that children are highly influenced by their parent's religious beliefs, so there's room to debate issues of consent even when we are discussing such a "non-mutilating" practice such as baptism. However, as I've mentioned els…	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 01:58 AM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Correction, sir, only if one hopes to build mutual understanding and empathy before deciding how to move forward as a community of people.	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 01:49 AM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism "Shitty culture"? I guess the solace here is that yours is not the top comment.	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 01:47 AM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Actually, many observant Jews are prohibited from making permanent cosmetic alterations to the body (e.g. tattoos) because it disrespects the gift the Creator gave us as our bodies. Many Jews also extend this to non-permanent alteration in the first year of life, refusing to cut their children's hair or fingernails. In one sense there is an obvious parallel with the right to bodily integrity I've seen others here post on, but clearly (since circumcision is still practiced) the lens is a differen…	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 01:38 AM
1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Ah! I think I understand now. I listen to a sports talk show were every week one of the host lambastes the league's policy of having the severity of a resulting injury determine how long a player should be suspended. He keeps saying that the punishment should always be the same, and it shouldn't depend on what happened because of the foul. The other host disagrees with him on it, and I can kind of see it both ways. However, if we remove public health from the debate, and make it an argument stri…	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 01:27 AM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I know my heart. I also know that refusing to answer a question in the definitive can be a mature and thoughtful response. Your approach seems designed to "out" me as someone uninterested in building bridges. On some level I expected that, and I was prepared to be patient in building trust. Trust is a corner stone of meaningful conversation, and I understood I would have to earn it. You wanted a definitive position, so I offer you this one - you are a poor voice for the movement, and you should …	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 01:17 AM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Thank you for the contribution. Yes, the situation about the girl receiving treatment just was not easy to work out. In that case she felt the procedure violated her integrity, but she was a child, the procedure saved her life, who knows how she was treated by her community when she returned... Just plain messy all around. It would be interesting to keep discussing with you how we could determine the age of consent for Jewish cricumcision, but that's not really the purpose of this thread. Thank …	/r/MensRights	29/12/14 12:03 AM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Sorry about that. Accusing people here of anti-semitism certainly wasn't my intention. I merely notice in myself a tendency to be apprehensive of it when this topic comes up, and I wanted to explore ways that conversation could be fostered on it that defused the apprehension. Sometimes just saying, "it's not about the Jews" isn't enough. You're right, I didn't check to see if the topic what done elsewhere, but I don't believe that would have made a difference in my choice to open this thread. Se…	/r/MensRights	28/12/14 11:57 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Fair point. I only hope you understand why it is unlikely I'll refer to the practice as mutilation then. And having it referred to that way still keeps me on edge. But I'm not here to convince you to think diffrently, only to explore how the two parties can better communicate with each other.	/r/MensRights	28/12/14 11:48 PM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism If I may be bold, I'd like to suggest that when you are discussing this with Jews in the future, there's an argument to be made within the faith that parallels what you argue. Within Jewish thought, there are many scholars that argue it is an acceptable choice to obey the laws of the state when they contradict the commandments of the religion. I believe the Christian parallel is "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's."	/r/MensRights	28/12/14 11:37 PM
1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism That's a very valid point - if all forms of FGM are illegal in a society (even the ones that are ostentibly less risky than your typical MGM), then this becomes strictly an issue of how men are treated differently. Thank you. We may differ on how to resolve that issue, but when stated in those term it does defuse the question of religious impact quite nicely.	/r/MensRights	28/12/14 10:50 PM
0	What do you think of the "Ryan Gosling Test"? I'd suggest to you that, if we're working from RP theory here, that you're ignoring a key factor - the person's own estimation of their SMV. If we are discussing what people do as a whole when dating, I'd suggest that it's the difference between these two values (my SMV and their SMV) that contributes to the behavior your describing. To put it in non-RP terms: how lucky do I feel that this person agreed to date me, and how much am I willing to sacrifice to maintain their interest? Wouldn't that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/14 07:21 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Actually, Jewish people regularly make exceptions like this - for personal health reasons. On passover everyone adult is "required" to drink four glasses of wine - but not recovering alcoholics or pregnant women. The exceptions are easy to make, one doesn't even have to justify them. I just wanted to state that in case it softened your language with me.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 11:07 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Presumably, since they want to have the procedure done, we have to ask if they can give meaningful consent for it. (Cf. My example of the Christian Science child that wanted to refuse life-saving treatment, but the governement conducted it anyway.)	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 10:55 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Yes, many of the justifications for circumcision, especially in non-semites, has been shown to be faulty. However, if we raise the issue of choice, we must also acknowledge that children are often incapable of giving informed consent - even for actions taken toward their own benefit. In such instances, we (quite rightly) default to the parent - whom we presume has the child's best interests at heart. Question: what do you believe is the earliest a child can give meaningful consent for such a pro…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 10:53 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Who should determine the baby's best interests? Society at large? Certainly in some cases that is appropriate, but in others that would be considered over-reaching.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 10:46 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Thank you for your very sensitive comment. Your experience making this decision from a parental perspective certainly adds a new weight to my consideration of your position. I wouldn't dare say it is an easy choice for anyone - at least without consulting the, first. Thank you very much for being so honest and open with me. On the matter of harms, I'm genuinely uncertain. That uncertainty rests on the knowledge of plenty of spiritual practices that adults perform that clearly contain an element …	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 10:35 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism This is an entirely fair and balanced response, and I confess I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea that so many children are circumcised when it is not a medically necessary procedure. I also have an interest in the MRM because I believe men suffer untold amounts of trauma and damage that is dismissed precisely because of their gender. I personally have to believe that their is room to negotiate on both these issues. "The disproportionate damage suffered by men because of their gender" is …	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 10:20 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I made a commitment to upvote every response on this thread (until my stamina runs out ;-) ). Even so, this response was troubling. In future, if you are looking to build allies and convert moderates, I would advise against saying things like "then Jewish culture probably needs a good threatening". People sometimes ask why we refer to ourselves as G-d's chosen people. I like to quip that it's not really an honorific; what 'chosen' actually refers to is 'history's example'. Our struggles (and err…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 10:12 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism That's certainly pretty blunt! :-P Unfortunately, I'm not very adept at debating morality, so I'm largely going to leave this untouched. The only argument I can currently think of is that evil acts are also often judged by their intentions. We don't punish manslaughter to the same degree we do murder as a society because we recognize a difference in intent to do harm between those cases. (Incidentally, I don't personally feel I've been defaced in an extreme fashion, or that my life has suffered …	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 10:01 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Simply untrue. I described above the moral disquietude I went through when a child refused life-saving treatment for her condition on grounds of religious freedoms, and the government gave her the treatment anyway. I don't have simple answers, and I'm not asking about special exemption because 'my religion is special', but rather because I believe religious freedom is a right that carries its own weight. True, it must be measured against other considerations - and therein lies the potential for …	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 09:49 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism This is an interesting point. In fact, the Torah is a highly edited document. Evidence from biblical scholars suggests that it has gone through many revisions and additions over the course of its history. In that regard, it's an interesting point to make - how much should Jews follow guidelines that were established for a very different context. I think you'll find that there is much debate within the Jewish community itself on this matter - it's the biggest reason we have the various denominati…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 09:41 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism If we are going to infringe on parents' religious freedoms to raise their child in the faith, we'd better establish when the children themselves are able to provide consent. Any thoughts? As to working toward consensus (even with someone you believe is 'dead wrong' ;-) and determined in their stance), we can still work on the tenor of the conversation. I doubt either of us seriously believes the other party will convince us to change our position in this debate, but we can still work to raised t…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 09:36 PM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Being opposed to all religions certainly doesn't make you an anti-semite. I think of it more as something like a "conscientious objector". I might disagree with you on why religion matters or doesn't, but I know plenty of people who share the view you expressed who are still wonderful human beings. They enrich my life, and I hope I enrich theirs in return - even if they think I'm deluding myself. ;-) Still, I would caution you about using the phrase "anti-you". I understand you are passionate ab…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 09:28 PM
1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Okay, at least you're making it clear this is not about antipathy toward my religion in particular. I can respect that. Since you have a clear standard that you work from, do you have an opinion about when the earliest age is that a person could make this choice for themself? Is there another metric that you would use to determine their ability to give that consent?	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 09:20 PM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism This is certainly a consistent and tenable position to hold - but an unfortunate one. It's also talk like this that triggers my anti-semitism apprehension. I'm not saying you are an anti-semite, but I hope you can understand why I find speech like this alienating.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 09:17 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Well, maybe making the type of circumcision you were describing illegal was the error instead. If it's safe, and it's an important part of a person's religious observance, maybe it shouldn't be illegal and the UN made a mistake. I gotta confess, just reading the description ("drawing a little blood") doesn't sound so bad that I'd want to legislate against it.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 09:14 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I've come to learn in this thread that there are different form of the practice, with some of them demonstrably more dangerous and harmful than others. I can only tell you that (as I seeit) religious freedom would have to be weighed against the risks and costs of the specific practice in question. If a procedure, performed as a religious observance, were shown to be medically safe (and what that means is totally reasonable to debate as well), then I would require a higher burden from people prop…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 09:10 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism If the harms of clitoral hood removal are less extreme, and it is a safer procedure, then I would require a higher burden of proof before considering legislation to ban the practice. When a procedure is relatively safe, then of course I am more loathe to tell people they shouldn't do it. And that wasn't a double standard you pointed out. It was an invitation to help me become more informed. Indeed, posting this thread has been an invitation for two groups to inform each other. I'm inviting the o…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 09:05 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I have been to a few brises, and it's not just the baby that usually cries. It's often traumatizing for the parents to witness as well. Heck, the whole process of birth itself is traumatizing as well, but that's neither here nor there. Thank you for your compassionate posts. You warm heart regularly shines through in them. Should the topic ever come up in legislative debate, I hope it will be people like you who come to the fore.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 08:51 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism You're right, I'm faint of heart. :-P I chose to rely on you description of the procedure rather than read the article, but thank you for informing me. I'll trust you on this. That's an interesting point that you bring up - that it is a gendered practice. In that regard, I can totally understand why the MRM takes an interest in it. I'm only concerned because it's listed as a central tenent of the MRM, and it's a tenent that disproportionately impacts people of a particular faith, but thank you f…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 08:45 PM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism But we're talking about something practiced on infants, right? Surely we can't expect them to give consent, that's why we look to the parents. After all, lots of children are scared the first time they go to a barber shop, but parents make them get their hair cut anyway. Isn't that appropriate?	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 08:38 PM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I would not do so right now because I have neither the means to do it safely, nor a compelling reason to do so. Why might I do that to a child? It's hard to explain how one relates to their faith. What I can tell you is that, no matter what kind of Jew I am in practice ;-), I do appreciate my own circumcised penis as a reminder of my relationship to the community, and its contribution to spiritual action throughout history. I don't know if that's terribly clear to people who weren't raised as Je…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 08:34 PM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I'm not sure I follow... Why shouldn't potential trauma be a benchmark for measuring the tradition's ritual? That argument actually seems to have some weight to it if the risk of trauma is adequately demonstrated.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 08:19 PM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Honestly, if that were my child being baptized, I would be really offended! Hmm... That analogy offers some interesting parallels. What did you have in mind when you asked it?	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 08:17 PM
-4	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I don't start with the assumption of anti-semitism - only with the apprehension of it. In other words, I have (what I believe is reasonable) fear it might be there, but I don't assume that it is. Still, thank you very much for making that clear. It's appreciated. When talking to Jews about this in the future, perhaps consider using that line again - "it isn't about favoring one religion over another." Having that explicitly stated from the beginning does gelp relieve some of the anxiety talking …	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 08:16 PM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism This is a well constructed argument - if you'll allow me to offer that opinion. The part about "just hope they'll be happy about it" definitely made me pause. I also think the sucking ritual is incredibly dangerous, and borders on irresponsible given modern knowledge of infections and viral vectors. I could see potential legislation barring that practice resting on the argument of public welfare. However, I'm still left with some concerns. There was a story in the media here not too long ago abo…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 08:10 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I walked onto your turf to ask this question, so I think it's quite reasonable to expect that my motives be subjected to suspicion. I don't really have any defense to it other than to know my own heart and continue trusting that it will guide my words. Hopefully my actions will constitute their own evidence - and I was prepared to make time to let that happen. Let me apologize. I was not trying to say I think that MRAs are anti-semites - I don't think people generally are. However, I can't deny …	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 07:55 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I'm going to look that up. Thank you for providing me with more search terms to Google that with. Much appreciated. My current understanding of anatomy suggests the clitoral analogy is mistaken, but I'll keep an open mind as I do the reading.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 07:07 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Of course I agree with you on these principles, I'm not trying to be unreasonable here. Each of these acts has been legislated against because their public harms clearly outweigh the "benefits" of allowing religious freedom on the issue. The standard of public welfare is firmly met in each scenario you gave me - overwhelmingly so. (I'd just like to point out that destroying machines has been a form of people exercising their political beliefs in the past, and not all those demonstrations have be…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 07:04 PM
0	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Great Stewart quote, I have a total brocrush for that dude. I'll also say this, your posting does have me revisiting just what it is I am asking for and, in my experience, that's an excellent way to start building consensus. I think there are still potential disagreements here (e.g. at what age can a person consent to having this procedure?), but now I feel there is a starting point for the discussion that still demonstrates respect for a person's faith. Maybe try that approach the next time som…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 06:56 PM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Please don't accuse me of bigotry since I'm pretty sure you already understand I'm not making the argument that anyone's religion is worth less. I personally feel the world is a richer place for the diversity of wisdom traditions in it.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 03:56 PM
-3	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism But how do you even ascertain that an infant gives consent to a medical procedure? I can understand the right to bodily integrity as a principle, but infant consent is almost meaningless as an argument.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 03:05 PM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism The flip side of your example is that the person isn't a bigot, they are the one being discriminated against.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 02:55 PM
-3	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I only ask about semitic parents because, as a Jew, it feels like a position that disproportionately affects Jews. (I'm the OP btw.) Giving up infant circumcision isn't a matter of faith to other people. Since it does infringe on a relgious obligation that only semites have... Well, that's why I'm asking about Jewish parents at least.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 02:26 PM
3	Any evidence of a "decline" since women's suffrage? Hopefully those costs will provide a counter-pressure. And the only thing I'd add is that children benefit from as many involved and available parents as they have access to - but I doubt you're gonna disagree with me on that. ;-)	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/14 08:19 AM
-3	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Please don't put into qutoes something I didn't actually say. Nevermind the fact that I still haven't learned to quote other posts on Reddit, it misrepresents what I say. I promise to respect your ideas in return. The thing that bothers me is that this policy affects semitic people far more than it affects christians or people of other faiths. Isn't that discriminatory? Much like circumcision is a practice that affects far more males than females worldwide, and thus is an appropriate topic for a…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 08:13 AM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Actually, I'd say people of faith still subject themselves to reason - and call it doubt. Doubt seems to me a fundamental process of good faith. All the religious leaders that I admire describe period in their life where they were subject to incredible amounts of reasoned objection. The fact that their compassion saw them through those periods inspires me more, not less. As to your other point, I'm not sure I understand it. Can you give me an example? Those usually help.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 07:57 AM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Fair enough. I can't debate the statement that is causes the same harms because 1) I'm not educated enough, and 2) I personally hate trying to measure one person's pain against another's. However, I will say that - as a Jew - what I hear is that Jews are traumatizing their children. That's difficult for me to accept.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 07:51 AM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism That's totally fair. I didn't create this thread to convince people otherwise. t's just that this Jew hears 'anti-semitism' when the policy against MGM is made a central tenent of the movement. I'd rather not believe that's the case, so I invited myself to talk to the movement's proponents to have that view challenged. Thankfully, everyone on here's been pretty darn civil. :-)	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 05:08 AM
-4	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism You are absolutely right, those are all fantastic exceptions to my statement. We also don't call family services when parents feed their children diet soda, or let them stay home from school for a day because they are worried about the local bully. These are all judgement calls, and clearly parents (and governments) do their best trying to measure harms and benefits when children are concerned. Excuse me if I operate from the principle that most people try to do their best in this situation, but…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 04:25 AM
-3	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Now this is another interesting argument I haven't heard before. You're gonna get the same request I give everyone - point me to the research? ;-) But if I understand you correctly, the argument here if that it impairs men's ability to have children. Is that about right?	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 03:57 AM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism If you're asking for my starting point, and the starting point of many moderate-yet-observant Jews and Muslims as I understand, we don't condone FGM. The reasoning behind that position is because of the incredible harms and horror stories we hear (e.g. young girls dying during the operation). However, my question still stands. Since we're talking about about an infringement on religious freedoms - and us Jews have seen that plenty, I think you'll agree - shouldn't the standard be a demonstrable …	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 03:54 AM
-4	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism It's quite alright. I asked a question that challenges a central tenent of the movement amongst the people of that movement. This movement also doesn't receive a ton of great press, so it's totally reasonable to expect some defensiveness as an immediate response. People want to make sure I'm not a troll, and trust is earned. :-) But thank you for understnding the original question. I tend to trust that people are quite reasonable when you take the time to understand them, and it appears that tru…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 03:45 AM
-4	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Certainly. I won't pretend I can cover all the bases, but I'll assume you are prepared to give me the benefit of the doubt at times. :-) We have an age of consent for precisely the reason I articulated - children's thought process is often too undeveloped to rely on. The age of consent is a (somewhat arbitrarily) defined metric to evaluate when they are capable of making an informed choice. Notice it differs acroos situations like: input on who they want to live with in case of parental divorce,…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 03:29 AM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism This is going to sound comically stupid, but I don't have an answer for that. [turns up hands] Some studies show that, among indigenous cultures, swaddling babies to restrict their movement for the first year does not impact their motor development beyond perhaps a slight statistical delay. This delay could be attributed to the simple fact that some children learn to walk faster than others, but that proportion of the sample is removed in the swaddling cultures (i.e. it's a statistical artifact)…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 03:10 AM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Fair enough. Really. :-) The only tricky part is that, as adults, we are cast in the role of raising our children properly. That means we are forced into plenty of situations where we must - quite rightly - make decisions for our children before they are able to do so for themselves. Richard Dawkins makes a convincing argument that raising children in any religion is pretty unethical. Unfortunately for him, study (and personal experience) suggest that children learn differently than adults, and …	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 03:00 AM
-3	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I'm sorry, perhaps I've been misunderstood. Judaism is a religion of orthopraxis rather than orthodoxy. Simply put, Jewish practices are meant to hallow daily living and uphold a "covenant" with G-d, marking the Jewish people as a "special" group. No judgement here, but the practices of both circumcision and kashrut aren't meant to be done for health reasons, but rather for something akin to identification itself. That's where the similarity lies. I'm not saying we can't evaluate these practices…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 02:41 AM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Thank you for your patience. This is interesting to me since I thought there were also studies suggesting condom use was safer with circumcised penises rather than the reverse. Is it possible we've got a situation going in two directions here?	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 02:36 AM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I haven't found you argumentative at all. I prompted a discussion on a sensitive topic. As such, I walked in understanding people's first response might be defensiveness. I believe the best preparation for that is to listen harder, and start with the assumption that people are reasonable and compassionate. You've certainly made the case that you are compassionate. ;-) I hesitate to place too much weight on a single study, so I'll reserve judgement on the sensitivity argument. (I personally would…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 02:33 AM
6	Any evidence of a "decline" since women's suffrage? Ahh! I see what you're saying. You're arguing that assortive mating has become even more of a factor than it used to be in the past - such that women are choosing are choosing to be alone rather than with unmatched partners. Okay, that's kinda fair. Even so, why not let the trend continue? What do you think will happen if it does? Won't women get lonely for us, reversing the trend?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/14 02:15 AM
-3	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism "Highly sensitive and functional skin." Now that's an argument I haven't seen yet! Certainly not based in morality or religion. Tell me more? (Like I said, was raised Jewish.) Incidentally, of course I'd be disturbed by your hypothetical. You and I would both seriously have to question why some people weren't disturbed by it, amirite? :-)	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 02:07 AM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Are you making the argument that, since female circumcision is so detrimental to women, and we can abhor the practice on such grounds, we can do the same in regard to male circumcision? Are the harms equal?	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 02:02 AM
-3	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism That's totally fair! Clearly, religious exemption can be carried to an extreme that is both absurd and unquestionably harmful. So, does the practice of male circumcision reflect such a harm?	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 01:58 AM
-6	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism But FGM isn't a central tenent of the MRM. Circucision is. I agree that faith is often at odds with logic and reason though. Honestly, I believe that's rather appropriate. Faith is often belief practiced in the absence of reason, but that actually seems healthy for people to adopt. Or do you believe that is a mistaken practice as well? Hmm... Maybe that's not the right question to ask. I'm not interested in changing your beliefs (as if I could ;-) ). Honestly, I'm inclined to believe you hold yo…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 01:54 AM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism That's not really what I'm asking though, is it? Head gashing and FGM aren't central tenents of the MRM. What I'm asking is why circumcision IS a central tenent. I'm also asking for help in not interpreting that as an anti-semitic position.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 01:42 AM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I'm sorry you feel I'm being confrontational. I'm going to try to listen harder so you don't feel attacked. After all, I was asking to learn from you, not the other way around. You state that there are harms involved - otherwise the word "mutilation" wouldn't come up. I'll confess, when I think of someone who is mutilated, I think of someone for whom it affects their body image and self-esteem. I understand you are trying to explain this is a matter of consent - but we regularly don't argue cons…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 01:21 AM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I honestly go back and forth on those questions about children receiving medical care. I'm sure that's not very satisfying to hear - it's sometimes difficult to stay in that uncertainty - but I don't have a great answer. I don't want the children to suffer of course, but... Well, it only gets more complicated when I tell you that personal experience has taught me death is not the worst fate that can befall even an innocent. I really don't want to argue with you though. I posted this question bec…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 01:07 AM
3	Any evidence of a "decline" since women's suffrage? Technically, hypergamy is also a concept that is gender neutral - men and women simply have different "hypergamous" options available to them. Putting that aside, couldn't the argument be made that the gender discrepancy in education still has a positive effect on income inequality? I think of men who become elctricians and plumbers (male-dominated professions). They received less schooling (not actually true, but it's less "classical" schooling), and they earn plenty. In fact, such a "hands on"…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/14 12:57 AM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Nonetheless, I'm going to upvote every response. ;-) I imagine that there's some dissention among the ranks, mostly because I believe you can't get a group of people to agree on everything no matter how hard you try. Even so, I'm interested in what all the voices have to say on the issue because I truly appreciate that experience. I reserve the right to come to my own conclusions, but listening to different viewpoints usually helps in that process. Incidentally, why do you feel it shouldn't be a…	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 12:50 AM
-5	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism this is the part that troubles me - "I don't care about your religious beliefs." When faced with that argument, should a Jew (or Muslim) not see that as an attack on their faith? Why or why not?	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 12:25 AM
-4	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism What about the whole argument that parents have some responsibility to their children? After all, there are many people who believe that, even if children choose to leave the religion at a later date, it is sensible to raise them with the religious experience. I'm not trying to denigrate your argument, but I am wondering why circumcision is seen as something that generates so many harms.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 12:21 AM
-2	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism I can't imagine that a religious exception would be objectionable to most people - but it's hard to argue that it doesn't lead to a societal discrimination in the long run. Religious practices like that become subject to arguments of "backward thinking". Even so, I'd personally be alright with such a compromise. Incidentally, I'm stealing your bumper sticker. Already have 10,000 orders on Etsy. ;-)	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 12:18 AM
-4	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism That would be nice, since for many Jews that's exactly what it amounts to. It's similar to kashrut (kosher) practices - a practices that reflects a covenant. I just worry because the "religious beliefs" exception is not something I tend to see in the threads is all.	/r/MensRights	27/12/14 12:14 AM
4	Any evidence of a "decline" since women's suffrage? The why female graduates outnumber male ones isn't what my point was about. On that particular question, I'm more than happy to listen to arguments. I personally feel like I gain a lot from listening to divergent and well-reasoned viewpoints. However, if we accept assortive mating as a principle that impartially affects income inequality, than any discrepancy in education - in either direction - would largely work to counter that, wouldn't it? I find it more curious that, as more people are clas…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/14 12:12 AM
6	What do you think of the "Ryan Gosling Test"? Honestly, have you ever been a person who didn't change from one relationship to the next? If you say 'yes' to that - here's five bucks saying you didn't really let them into your heart. No judgement though. Given how complex relating is in the forst place, we have every reason to want to make it simpler at times.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/14 12:06 AM
2	Are you a good relationship material? Let's be fair. If I were breaking up with someone - something I've had plenty of practice with - the standard isn't happiness. A more appropriate standard might be something like compassion or respect. When I break up with someone, I try to do so in a way that makes it final and most acceptable to everyone. Of course a breakup is painful - for all parties - but it can still be done with ith sensitivity to both my needs and the other person's. C'mon ;-) hasn't there ever been a time you felt the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/14 12:01 AM
5	Any evidence of a "decline" since women's suffrage? Umm... Assortive mative is a gender neutral process. Examining the situation from that lens only, it could be argued that the discrepancy in education is a good thing for income inequality. After all. If the pool of educated women has fewer similarly educated men to choose from, then that would provide a negative pressure in regards to income inequality. Just sayin'. I'm not making that argument specifically, but it is a logical collorary nonetheless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 11:50 PM
8	Any evidence of a "decline" since women's suffrage? Or a failure of men to re-prioritize their children. Not trolling, just pointing out a perfectly logical alternative there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/14 11:42 PM
-1	[Not Trolling] MGM and Worries About Anti-semitism Nevermind about the flair question, I think I just figured it out :-)	/r/MensRights	26/12/14 11:24 PM
1	Willing to compromise on both sides? Neither RP nor BP here, but I'll say this: I do believe there is room for common ground. I've been following some of these conversations, and it has challenged my bias that TRP is populated by largely by distraught men. Some very reasonable people seem to align with the perspective, and I can totally respect that. Incidentally, they often are also the ones who use the phrase "descriptive, not prescriptive" most frequently. Therein lies the wiggle room. Personally I find it extremely difficult to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/14 11:29 PM
1	What percentage of women do you know that conform to TRP's view of the average woman? Not a RP expert. That aside, I have more than a passing understanding of evolutionary and comparative psychology. In that regard, the question is rather nonsensical. 100%? Sure, I can find countless examples in both my personal experience and the scientific literature that suggest people are pragmatic about their mating choice - and that pragmatism correlates with conditions originally found in the species development i. The African savannah. 0%? The fact - yes, "fact" - that men and women clear…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/14 06:48 PM
2	TIL there's an alternative to Alpha and Beta: Omega. Dude, if you desire to embrace your uniqueness so fully that you willingly step out of using evolutionary psychology as a model for dating... Just go on any sub you want ;-)	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/14 05:15 AM
2	[Serious] What Is Flawed About The Red Pill Model of Attracting Women AND What Do You Suggest Instead>>> I gather you're quoting this because you find what I said overly general and not straight-forward enough. I've got two responses to that. Firstly, ask a general question, and you'll get a general answer. OP asked what was wrong with the model, and I gave him an answer based on using models in the first place. I pointed out that any theory will eventually meet the situation as it presents itself. Quantum theory is a great example of this. It is the most well-tested model of how sub-atomic particl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/14 04:30 PM
2	What do you think about when a girl hangs out with a bunch of guys most of the time? "Give them the benefit of the doubt" is a fantastic tactic. Most of the female friendships I have started out a bit messy in one direction or both, but it's totally possible for that to change over time. My best female friendships have worked out like that, so no judgement there. However, OP asked what the redditors here tend to believe about a woman when we run into one with mostly male friends, and what those redditors believe her "role" is. She's since responded to any presumption that those …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/14 02:04 PM
1	What is the difference between an idealised red pill society and...say... Dubai or Qatar? Ugh. Tried to minimize the thread and ended up upvoting (stupid iPad). "... They pretty much have their women on lockdown..." Yeah, that's some hate speech right there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/14 04:15 AM
3	[Serious] What Is Flawed About The Red Pill Model of Attracting Women AND What Do You Suggest Instead>>> The more you trust in your own attractiveness, the more others will see it in you as well. Judging by my own life and those of my friends, that's when you'll discover your own agnecy. However, this still doesn't absolve you of the troublesome business of continuing to work on it... but that's personal growth for you. The flaw in the RPM - most models really - is how they detract from the difficult (but ultimately rewarding) process of remaining present to a situation. Get to know what you like. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/14 08:15 PM