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| 0 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette Tax | CMV | M_LaSalle | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/23 11:35 PM |
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| – | What do you honestly think about 22yo male virgins?Fine with whom? You? The guy? The woman he's dating if she learns the truth? SOciety, for any given definition of that term? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/24 11:34 AM |
| 4 | The Blue Pill didn't lie to youBlue Pill lies first and foremost to itself about human nature. I will focus on two of these non promises A thin partner A young partner Few men find fat attractive and for a lot of them it's a deal breaker. A woman who will not take minimally decent care of herself while seeking a relationship is unlikely to get much better once she secures that relationship. And as for young? I'm not interested in jailbait but if she isn't young enough to bear children then a lot of guys will consider a relati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/24 03:16 AM |
| 1 | Men who complain about not getting casual sex don't put themselves in the right environments.I think the most remarkable claim I ever heard from a Red Pill poster was that learning Game gave you the ability to "Brainhack women". Jesus Fucking Christ. That's just one hell of a superpower. If I could do that I'd never do anything else. I'd certainly never be teaching anyone how to do it online because, as the line goes..."What if it fell into the wrong hands?" I mean, it would be like that Genesis Torpedo in Star Trek. What you will get in a lot of cases is some version of "I opened a mod… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/24 03:04 PM |
| 24 | Men who complain about not getting casual sex don't put themselves in the right environments.This is skating close to being Groucho Marx. "Dude, are you going to believe what you experience or what I tell you?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/24 01:32 AM |
| 29 | Men who complain about not getting casual sex don't put themselves in the right environments.This post feels like it belongs at the Red Pill sub, where "field reports" are believed uncritically. And of course if it doesn't work for you, then you didn't do it right, or you went to the wrong bar, and you should always be closing you fucking faggot. The problem with real world approach are known and are discussed in detail in the comments here. There is no magic environment where the obstacles men face in approaching have been repealed. "All you have to do is ________" is what a lot of Red… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/24 01:30 AM |
| – | What is the real average men look like?The average man I see is fat and dressed in shorts that look juvenile even on a grown man. he has sandals and a T shirt pulled down over his beer gut. He has some bad ink on his arms that might be acceptable on a Navy SEAL turned biker/mercenary/bodyguard because dudes these days have some obsession with trying to look scary. (Few of them do) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/24 10:01 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible for people to lower their standards through therapy?OP assumes a fact not in evidence, which is that having "high standards" is a problem. I still think about the day I was in a supermarket down the street from where I live. I had gone in to buy something I had forgotten for a recipe I was making. As I walked around, I began to notice something. I was the only man in the store and every woman in the store was obese. I don't mean just overweight or "curvy" or Rubenesque. I mean they were land whales. A lot of people, and no, it's not just women, s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/24 10:04 AM |
| 15 | Are women not getting approached anymore?My nephew is, for practical purposes, Chad. H's a gym rat, he's ripped, good looking, socially outgoing, makes more money than most guys his age, he is financially quite well off as his father's unexpected death left him with quite a bit of money and property. He was involved, prior to his father's death, with an extremely attractive young woman. There was breakup when he fell ill and did not receive a phone call, card or visit. Upon his recovery he ditched her. If he ever approaches women in an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/24 01:38 PM |
| 2 | (Re-upload) What do y'all think of this excerpt about radicalisation in the manosphere?I've seen this piece linked to before. I read a more interesting one at, I believe, the Cultural Husbandry Substack pointing out that we probably don't really know the extent of radicalization of young men and what potential there is for social unrest on account of it. I shan't link to it here as the Reddit police might object to its politics. There are subjects that cannot be discussed honestly on Reddit and this is likely one of them. I have said before that I expect to eventually see some sor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/24 08:30 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Most Red Pillers (TRP) are actually the most defeatist of all the "Pills"OP used the word defeatist, and therefore so did I. In practical terms trad cons don't have much actionable advice to offer. If you want to call that defeatist, or useless, or whatever, I won't quibble over words. Trad con is not applicable to the real world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/24 08:51 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Most Red Pillers (TRP) are actually the most defeatist of all the "Pills"Many are very individualistic and don't try to collectively enact political change to address their perceived grievances. Neither to trad cons, mostly because they have failed to produce any leadership who might. Trad cons are far more "defeatist" than Red Pill in that trad cons accept their defeat without attempting to do anything to ameliorate the condition of their adherents. They are content to be factually correct (As they see it) on the issues, make their point on Fox News or whatever, and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/24 05:20 PM |
| 1 | What age is dating truly over for a guy?This is a little bit of a toughie because guys may be late bloomers for reasons including focusing on work/study/career or they have some kind of serious mental health issues. So understand that what follows is to be a general rule and there will be exceptions. For most guys, there's a major life transition that happens about every ten years. (It seems to be five years for women) At twenty, at thirty, at forty, he sees himself differently and society sees him differently. Society is going to see… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 04:05 PM |
| 3 | It is okay to quit dating but not okay to quit striving in life.I am sure some might say “what a cope”, and you would be right, but I feel coping is exactly what we need right now. I don't necessarily look down on cope, because sooner or later we all have to do it. If not over dating then something else. There are positive and negative ways of coping. You seem to have hit upon a positive one. Most men don't do particularly well in the modern dating market and I doubt that anything can be done about that. Having too many uninvested men is a drag down on socie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/24 10:00 PM |
| – | There's a viral phenomenon on social media (mainly tiktok) of porn bot sites stealing videos of women to pretend to be single lonely older women. What do you think of this trend?I think that Tik Tok is a plague on the Earth | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/24 07:55 AM |
| 2 | Debate : The Bluepill doesn‘t exist anymore since around 5-10 Years.The Blue Pill never existed. The Blue Pill will always exist. The Blue Pill never had any existence except as a way to argue against the Red Pill. The Blue Pill will always exist as there will always be a desire to argue against the Red Pill. Getting out of the fortune cookie stuff, the Blue Pill exists, but fails to demonstrate practical utility. It offers no actionable advice for anyone seeking to improve their dating life. If it did, it would win adherents. The Blue Pill is everywhere. It is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Should guys take it personally if they have to wait till their 30s to have success with women?"Take it personally" probably isn't the right wording. Whether they should "Take it personally", for any given definition of that phrase, waiting until your 30s seems unnatural to me, and I expect that men who have no success in their twenties are going to feel anger about it. Whether they should is a question I'm going to avoid, but I think anger is an expected reaction in that situation, whether or not anyone considers it justified. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 12:45 AM |
| 0 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.Well, if you sit around thinking deep intellectual thoughts and snorting Red Pills instead of actually going out and getting a woman then no, you'll never fall in love with one, but at least you will be able to tell yourself that you understand them. To actually fall in love with a woman you actually have to get one and spend enough time in proximity to her to discover that in spite of everything she does in fact have some good qualities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 09:39 AM |
| 1 | Why don't alpha women date beta simps?Because of her education, accomplishments, income level and alphaness, she is faced with a very small dating pool and there is no guarantee that any of the men in it will put up with her. Hypergamy can be a heavy burden to bear for an accomplished woman as her accomplishments and feminism do not necessarily make her more attractive to the men she seeks, especially after thirty. Not having a Tik ok account I can't see what she looks like. I assume she is fuckable. EDIT: OK, I have seen her and th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 03:47 PM |
| – | Thought Experiment: What’s the difference between a post-op M2F transexual and a sex robot?I'm going to start a betting pool on how long it takes the Reddit Police to nuke this thread. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/23 02:44 AM |
| 20 | Most advice targeted at men here is to make them wait until they are too old to do anythingI agree with you. I assure you that I am not indifferent to the plight of sexless lonely men and I am deeply concerned with where all of this is heading. Society needs male investment to survive and we have too many uninvested men. I am not sure what to do about that. if I had a simple twelve step program I would offer it. But the first step would be for society to admit the problem and I'm not sure it's ready to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 07:18 PM |
| 14 | Most advice targeted at men here is to make them wait until they are too old to do anythingI was never a Next Gen fan and was unfamiliar with the quote. That said, the Captain is right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 06:59 PM |
| 51 | Most advice targeted at men here is to make them wait until they are too old to do anythingOne of the problems you run into when advising men who struggle with dating is that the actionable solutions available mostly take (And possibly waste) a great deal of time. Self-improvement isn't bad advice, it's actually very good advice, but female hypergamy being what it is, the poor fellow simply may not be able to improve himself enough on any kind of reasonable time scale, if he can do so at all. Men should always work to better themselves, because life is hard and they are going to have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 05:34 PM |
| 4 | What age does being a male virgin become a massive red flag?By 23 he's probably in serious trouble. His situation isn't hopeless, but it isn't good EDIT: the standard advice is just fake it till you male it and don't tell her. This is not bad advice, but. At some point he will begin to stink of desperation, and she will smell it on him. Or his lack of experience will eat at his confidence, or what have you. So 23 is the red line an after that he's carrying a handicap. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 02:02 PM |
| 3 | Do you think different politics will keep men and women from dating each other?I think it's hard for him to find girls who are long term relationship material. He broke up not long ago with a woman who, frankly, was smoking hot and also quite selfish, and he dcided to get shut of her. I am not clear on how good he actually is at choosing girls who are both interested in and worthy of a long term relationship. I honestly couldn't tell you how good he is at that particular skill set. At the moment his dating life is on hold because his father passed and he is busy trying to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 05:06 PM |
| 13 | Do you think different politics will keep men and women from dating each other?My nephew is a gym rat and quite a handsome young man. He is able to get dates out of apps, and this includes dates with college girls, although he has not himself ever been to college. I'll add that he makes a lot of money, has a lot of marketable skills and has excellent prospects. Normally one would expect a young man like this to have success with dating and he does. He tells me that when he dates women at the local university, they check each other to make sure that no one is dating a trump… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 03:26 PM |
| 4 | If you've ever called a man an incel, you can't really claim there's nothing wrong with being a male virginIt's not uncommon in highly charged and venomous debates for words to take on a new meaning. The gun control debate, for example has seen this phenomenon a number of times, but I won't go off topic to detail them here. The meaning of the word "incel" seems to have mutated with the Isla Vista killings perpetrated by Eliot Rodger. (Sp?). One of the results of that was the termination of "incel forums" which were once seen as discussion groups for men who were failing at sex and romance. The assump… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 06:56 PM |
| -7 | What are the most common reasons women get divorced?And a lot of Redditors don't want the truth as my comment seem to have been removed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/11/23 09:49 PM |
| -16 | What are the most common reasons women get divorced?They want to. Divorce is nearly always initiated by women, generally for frivolous reasons. Being hypergamous, she starts thinking about a status upgrade. Once the children (If any) are past the most demanding early stages, law incentives her to divorce rape her husband and go in search of someone more Alpha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/11/23 09:17 PM |
| 16 | Not coming across as creepy to women when approaching is incredibly simple and boils down to 4 things, does not involve "mind reading", and coming across as creepy once will not ruin your lifeI upvoted this as it is impossible to improve upon. I will add that this reminds me of a lot of the PUA materiel I've seen. I could never do that shit because I could never remember all of it. consider your eye contact, not too much, not too little, As always, God is in the details, and there are a lot of details. The best way to approach a woman is as a man she finds attractive and most of us will never make that cut. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/23 11:46 PM |
| 3 | People misunderstand the idea of "stop chasing women and focus on career and life"Given that sex is a fairly basic drive in human beings, especially young men, this is a distinction without a difference. Normal young men are likely to prioritize sex over a hobby and they are not wrong to do so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/23 05:12 PM |
| 3 | People misunderstand the idea of "stop chasing women and focus on career and life"So OPs advice is to get a hobby and embrace lifetime celibacy? Young men who focus on career and success as a means to, among other things making themselves marriageable (And maybe paying for a hobby to boot) are doing it right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/23 04:48 PM |
| 2 | What are some problems men face that isn’t caused by women?Men have no problems that are caused by women. men have problems that are caused by their inability/refusal to understand women. Also declining testosterone levels, laziness, delusion, entitlement, fear, etc. American women are increasing fat, worthless entitled, hypergamous sluts, but men can only fix themselves, and damn well better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/23 11:49 PM |
| – | Telling women that looks fade isn't much of a "threat".Well, it's not much of a threat because there isn't anything the guy can do about it. It's not like he can go to you and say "My dear, I have it in my power to make your beauty eternal. You will have hundreds of years to ride the carousel. Thousands of years to fuck Chad after Chad, after Chad. You have only to lie with me now, and all of this shall be yours." There might actually be an episode of The Twilight Zone in there somewhere. Actually, come to think of it, I did read a horror novel year… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/23 08:52 AM |
| 8 | CMV : Older women (30+ so called cougars) chase young college aged boys more than 30+ men chasing college aged girlsAnyways this reminds me of my own college days . I used to go to college bars (i live in canada drinking age is lower here) and they used to be full of 30+ old women "preying" on young men . I don't deny the validity of your personal experience, but this is just thinking that your personal experience extends to everybody. This doesn't make you wrong. It's kind of weird making this a CMV, but the Mods love that shit. Honestly, I don't think the statement is provable or disprovable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/23 09:44 PM |
| 7 | Is it just me, or are RP men becoming indistinguishable from American conservatives?Was it always like this? Maybe it’s just my imagination, but it seems like 5+ years ago, RP was more about dating strategy (game, looksmaxing, increasing your income). No, it wasn't always "like that" but Eric Hoffer was right. It begins as a movement, becomes a business, and ends as a racket. Red Pill entered it's racket phase some time back. I'll also point out that given the rise of online censorship, which has targeted the Red Pill, the Red Pill was bound to become political no matter what i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 11:14 PM |
| 1 | Does experience from paying for sex counts?Don't be silly, of course it counts. It's not experience of a "real" relationship (For any given definition of the word "relationship" but it is absolutely real. Do NOT listen to bloops who tell you it isn't and don't have your best interests at heart. They would have you be alone all your life and celibate and miserable. They do not have your best interests at heart. The people who tell you that it is better to be alone and miserable rather than pay are not your friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/23 10:14 AM |
| 1 | 45% of men age 18-25 have never approached a woman in personThe study is probably in the ballpark. Women aren't especially open to being approached except by the most attractive men and approach carries some risk of anything from nuclear rejection to complaints of harassment. In addition a high percentage of modern women are fat and unattractive. None of the above is likely to improve in the foreseeable future. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/23 05:01 AM |
| 1 | Would virgin guys be better off with casual sex for the first few times or no?Virgin guys would be better off becoming non virgins before they fall so far behind in social and sexual experience that it becomes a drag on their future prospects. Whether they lose it to a virgin who is pure of heart and intends to be faithful; to them and them alone forever or a hoe in a drunken hookup does not seem operationally significant. (To me, anyway.) The important thing is to lose it. However, things being the way they are their opportunities for doing so may be limited to nonexiste… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/23 04:00 AM |
| 2 | The guys who have "game" do not talk to women as "regular people"I call bullshit on this. People who got married and had kids did not and could not know in advance that Covid would occur or the pros and cons of vaccination. Some things cannot be figured out in advance. To me a woman who shows up with a list of political bullet points is probably mostly concerned about what her friends will think if she is seen dating a guy with the wrong opinions, which is usually a stand in for a man of the wrong class. I agree with you that compatibility is important and th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/23 04:03 AM |
| 8 | The guys who have "game" do not talk to women as "regular people"Kind of proves my point. You aren't interested in the guy unless he agrees with you and whatever a "respectful" discussion is it can't include disagreement on some set of bullet points. I'd be curious about your definition of "respectful" in this context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 09:10 PM |
| 5 | The guys who have "game" do not talk to women as "regular people"I have no idea what the fuck any of this alphabet soup means. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 05:41 PM |
| 13 | The guys who have "game" do not talk to women as "regular people"Guys who are successful with women don't treat them as regular people because they aren't. Women are not regular people, they're women. Women are not interested in hearing your opinions at all if your opinions are different from theirs. They're herd animals and hyperconformist. There's a lot of reasons for that and some of them are rooted in how women are biologically hard wired. Some of it is that because of how girls are brought up these days, they really don't understand the concept of knowin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 04:32 PM |
| – | Should men be expected to intervene when random women are in trouble?My reaction would be dependent on circumstances. I once did help a random women who was being attacked by calling the police. The man was her husband and it was a domestic dispute that got out of hand. I had a gun (I have legal CCW permit) but the guy had no weapon, she can survive being slapped a couple of times and I didn't feel like being thrashed through the criminal justice system. When the dude saw me calling the cops (I was 50 yards away) he got pissy but I was inside a vehicle and so had… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/23 05:44 PM |
| 8 | Why do you personally think some men get so much access to sex, while other men do not?Why do you personally think some men get so much access to sex, while other men do not? Because some men are more attractive than others, some men make more money than others, and some men are more famous than others. Duh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/23 05:48 AM |
| 1 | Men should choose better womenEstate planning is planning for your own death and the disposition of your assets afterwards. What you are talking about is a prenuptial agreement. Those make sense for rich men marrying obvious hot Golddiggers but don't necessarily make sense for everyone. if you are seriously worried about divorce rape it is simpler not to marry in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/23 07:31 PM |
| 1 | Men should choose better womenEverybody should make better choices but at the end of the day men get the women they can attract. If a women take half your stuff during divorce then you should of chosen a women who makes the same amount of money than you. Its your fault for choosing a women who doesn't make much money. Have you ever actually had a woman? Maybe spent any time dealing with one? Or is this discussion entirely theoretical? If a woman takes half your stuff in a divorce it's because a toxic brew of divorce law and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/23 12:51 PM |
| – | Bluepill is mostly right on relationships, Redpill is mostly right on dating and meeting new peopleBluepill calls to mind something that was once said about String Theory, that it is "Not even wrong". To be right or wrong it would have to take into account the motivations and differing sexual/reproductive agendas of actual men and women. As it stands it is simply feelgood advice that makes no one feel good except the person giving it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/23 01:02 AM |
| 8 | How much of a turn off is astrology when a woman heavily believes in it?I take it for granted that women believe in a certain amount of oogily boogily. Nature of the animal, and it's not usually a problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/23 06:41 AM |
| 2 | Should men who haven't managed to find love until their 30s remain single?I'm asking this because of the whole AFBB thing. Isn't there a chance you could be settled for? Well, yes there is. What of it? There is also a chance that you might not be settled for. Perhaps you find a relationship in your thirties because you have become a better man. Perhaps you find a relationship in your thirties because you got with a woman who slutted her way through her twenties and now wants to marry you, divorce rape you, and trade up. Nothing in this life is certain. if you are sett… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/23 02:20 AM |
| 1 | Those who are not doing well in their 20’s will probably carry on as they get olderI did a lot better in money, career, and relationships in my thirties and beyond than I did in my twenties. I had some legitimate hard luck in my twenties but I also got better at making my own luck as I grew and matured. I have in fact known people who never became adults, emotionally or financially, and if you're one of those, well...you're fucked. Also, I had a lot of deficits to overcome in that my childhood was fucking Gothic. I grew up in a family that had a lot of issues. But a shity firs… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/23 07:27 PM |
| 3 | Is it true that a lot of guys are bitter about dating being better in their 30s?I think a lot of people miss the point here. The question isn't really whether the guys are bitter or the dating is better. The whole bitter/better thing is wide of the mark. The standard advice that guys get is that thy should work on themselves during their twenties while the twenty-something women chase, fuck, and maybe marry guys in the thirties who worked on themselves. (Presumably the women weren't being celibate while the guys worked on themselves.) The real question is how do the twenty-… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/23 06:44 PM |
| 1 | MGTOW influence on dating tendsI think it’s clear that women wanting to marry up is one factor influencing many men to stay single, Horse puckey. All women have always wanted to marry up. It's not a problem, it's how they are biologically hard wired. MiG Towing is brought on by two things. First, the tendency of young women to postpone marriage and the observed tendency of women to take advantage of divorce law to divorce rape their husbands. It's hard for people to grasp this, I know, but men cannot marry when marriage is no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/23 05:24 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP and the manosphere over-analyzes dating to the point that it’s detrimentalPreposterous. Red Pill doesn't tell guys to stand around analyzing, it tells them to approach and how to go about it. You may disagree with the analysis, but it doesn't "overanalyze" for any given definition of that term. If you want to disagree with Red Pill analysis of dating and female mind set that is your right. If you want to give men actionable advice then you need to come up with something that shows better real world results. In any case, OP's claim doesn't stand up to a moment's critic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/23 09:56 PM |
| 1 | Discussion : Will modern life get so comfortable for women that literally most choose to stay single?Discussion : Will modern life get so comfortable for women that literally most choose to stay single? To a considerable extent they already have. Women want a relationship, and they want marriage. (Or at least a big wedding. That doesn't mean they actually want to stay married). Basically, women want to remain single as long as possible, then marry a Beta provider, then divorce him and marry their alpha. To the extent that this is an actionable life plan it's because things have gotten pretty da… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/23 07:47 PM |
| 2 | Are many average guys really refusing to give chubbier women a chance?I sometimes suspect that all the "this is how a REAL woman looks like" posts by heavier women are made not so much as a affirmation of their humanity, as they are a way to critique current beauty standards that appear as a form gatekeeping that limits their access to conventionally very attractive men cadrio-fit women have. It's not affirmation, it's not critique, it's cope. beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder. They put fat women in Sports Illustrated and in fashion ads, and they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/23 01:03 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: Would you rather be needed by OR wanted by a woman?I'm not interested in "lowkey trapping" a woman who needs me so she doesn't have to sleep in a parking lot, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that someone would trot out that particular straw man. If she can't fend for herself I'm not interested in having her around. If you stop and think about it, love and belonging are on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, meaning that if I'm not filling that particular layer of the pyramid she's going to ditch me. She might want me, for any given definition of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 07:44 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: Would you rather be needed by OR wanted by a woman?I would rather be needed, as need is more long lasting. A woman's wants are momentary and subject to change. A woman's wants are a woman's whims. She wants me now, but later she won't. Then what? A woman needs a relationship, but she doesn't need a relationship with me unless I am worth the candle. when I say I would rather be needed, that includes the idea that I have to be worth having around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 10:50 PM |
| 2 | Men also have a ticking clock until they become undesirable to women. That is why men should do anything to gain experience with them especially in terms of sex.I don't have a problem with lying to get sex. Lying to get a relationship is a little iffier, in practical terms at least, since the eventual discovery of the lie is likely to torpedo the relationship. Lying to get sex may help to get a relationship if it at least gets the poor fellow some practice and maybe a bit more confidence. The advice to lie is, in my view, not wrong, but it also may not be actionable. A twenty-nine year old virgin is probably not going to be able to snow the girl into th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/23 02:19 AM |
| 0 | It’s obscene that in 2023 there’s still a pervasive stigma that people who are single king term must be lacking in social skills or something majorPeople assume that if you aren't paired off by a certain age there's a reason. If you haven't got a woman, it's because no woman will have you. There's only a limited number of reasons why that could be. Social skills are a fairly obvious go to reason. That's not obscene it's just Occam's Razor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/23 09:15 AM |
| 10 | I see a lot of manosphere podcasters just not living upto what they say.God bless this sub, where people point out hypocrisy and think they're made a profound observation. What starts out here as a mass movement ends up as a racket, a cult, or a corporation - Eric Hoffer Red Pill hit the racket phase quite some time back. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/23 12:29 PM |
| 3 | How much truth is there to the Red-pill concept of "Alpha Widow"?Because women can fuck men from whom they will never be able to win commitment, "the one who got away" takes a slightly different meaning. If she was with a man way better than the man she was able to actually marry/have a relationship with, then she will always compare the man she got unfavorably to the man she had. Men are not normally able o fuck women far above their "League", for any given definition of that term, so the same comparisons aren't going to be made. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/23 07:08 PM |
| 1 | Pretty much every advice targeted at men is to make them to wait until they are too old to do anythingOP is right that both 1 and 2 get said. The people giving advice 1 aren't, in my opinion telling men to wait until they are too old to do anything, although that may in the end be the practical result. The purpose of the advice, to the extent it has any, is to keep the man hopeful, perhaps to keep him invested, and maybe to sound like the person giving the advice has compassion. There's not a lot of people who want to say, when Bob complains of his lack of dating success, 'well, Bob, you're havi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/23 06:11 AM |
| 2 | Since when did requiring physical attraction for a romantic relationship make you superficial?Since when did requiring physical attraction for a romantic relationship make you superficial? Ever since a large (In several senses of that term) percentage of American women decided that asking a woman no not be a disgusting sack of lard was asking too much | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/23 03:42 AM |
| 3 | Self Improvement Discussion ThreadThe correct path, judging by some of the posts I see here, is to not need to self improve. If you need to improve, then it means you suck. If you need to improve, it is because you are a lesser man whom no woman would want. If you are improving to get women, it means that you are not presently getting women, which means you suck, and you remain in a state of suck even if you improve because you needed to improve to get women. The state of suck is inescapable. My view is that all men need to impr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/23 10:32 PM |
| 1 | Patriarchy 2.0 Is ComingI thought about a line by line refutation of this post, and had several interesting and profound things I would have said. But. I'm busy, life is short, and it would end up being thirty minutes of my time I'd never get back. I will therefore confine myself to pointing out that belief in progress and belief in apocalypse are two sides of the same false coin. People like to believe that after The End the world will be left in whatever end state they favor. In practice, it's never more than a pleas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/23 07:22 PM |
| 1 | Shaming men for being virgins or not getting women is cruel, mentally damaging and by far way worst than slut shaming is for women, in fact it severly affects women more than slut shaming doesm farly convinced that if this stigma dissappeared many men would stop giving their attention so freely, im fairly convinced most guys wouldnt be mysoginists, resentful or jaded towards women, im fairly convinced many men would stop worshipping players and manipulators, im fairly convinced no man would ever be seen as a winner for bagging a lot of notches so that double standard would vanish too (since the opposite makes a guy a loser), im fairly convinced most men would talk to women normally a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/23 04:20 AM |
| 18 | CMV: Men's stubborn belief that "all women are the same" is holding them back from finding success.All women are not the same. However all women are biologically hardwired in similar ways. Women are not assimilated like the Borg into some collective, but they've got that second X chromosome and everything that goes with it. Women are not identical, but they have enough in common that some approaches and some characteristics have a higher probability of success than others. And yes, all of them are hypergamous and find the majority of men unattractive. Tl;DR many men like to think that all w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/23 10:23 PM |
| 2 | Do women value authenticity more than men?I don't know that women value authenticity more, but they probably get just one hell of a lot of experience with men being inauthentic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/23 06:37 PM |
| 12 | Women love one night stands as much as men doIf a woman has an ONS presumably she is attracted to the man. If she has later regrets it is likely to be that she could not leverage their fucking into a relationship. Women are willing to buy the lottery ticket. They may regret that it did not pay off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/23 09:52 PM |
| – | Women claim that men are not trying that hard, and men claim they tried too hard... this is a possible explanation and solutionWomen are right. The men aren't trying very hard. Take a look at most of the women and you'll see why | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/23 01:40 AM |
| 1 | Women will not make you happy and you should not make them your sole source of happinessThe Bible says that man does not live by bread alone, but surely he cannot live without it. In a similar fashion, women will not make a man happy, but he is unlikely to find happiness without them. Women are not the "icing on the cake". They are, for most men, a big old part of the cake. It's true that in order to get quality women a fellow needs to have his ducks in a row. he must take care of himself, do what he can to make the most of his looks, and work at a career. But these things are not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/23 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Would you give up video games for sex?It's really easy to look for inanimate things to blame and it's nearly always wrong. This is one step removed from blaming witches because the milk soured and the cow went dry back in the days. Society has been waging war on young men for some time. The results are all around us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 09:12 AM |
| 1 | Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter?If she's a lot smarter than me then she likely can and will do better. The problem is almost certainly self correcting. I suppose I could put on my best alpha male game face and say "Kneel woman, and prepare to submit" and the sheer power of my primal maleness and high testosterone will overcome her intellect and she will be mine. Probably not, but you never know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/23 01:27 AM |
| – | Too many men prize a pretty face over the content of a woman's characterI'm stuck looking at her face. I have enough character for the both of us. EDIT A woman should see your worth and treat you accordingly. Never beg for acceptance and deal only with people that like you. By an extension, too many men, and I include myself here for past experiences, kiss pretty women's asses. Sorry ma'am. You don't get preferential treatment for being pretty and putting on makeup. In this life we all have to get ahead by merit. Keeping herself attractive is merit, as far as I'm co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/23 08:54 AM |
| 3 | Most guys who wish they could get into the casual sex lifestyle, couldn't handle that lifestyleI sorta think I could handle getting casual sex and fucking my choice of every woman that comes along like Chad Thundercock. I realize it would be tough, but I'd be willing to give it a go. Fortunately for me, like most other guys, the problem is likely to remain theoretical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/23 08:15 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Missing out on teen love as a male can be hugely detrimental in later years while courting a woman.See......this is where the Red Pill sometimes loses me with the "men get better with age" thing I agree with you, though I'll point out that the Red Pill guys are actually right within the indicated limits of their argument. A lot of the early Red Pill guys were pretty upfront about Red Pill being for average guys who could, with some teaching, improve themselves. I don't think it was ever likely to do much for a 25 year old kissless dateless virgin. But an average or better guy with some career… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/23 01:27 AM |
| 2 | If women have "Female Intuition", what do guys have? Instinct? Gut Feelings?Men have practical experience of the real world. They're the ones who have responsibility for making it work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/23 08:55 AM |
| 1 | “its how we evolved” is a horrible excuse and it needs to stop being an argumentNow for the relevant stuff, why is it that when it comes things like sexual and gender relations, “it’s how we evolved” is an argument often used to rely on things like sexism, maintaining ridged gender norms, etc "It's how we evolved" is a true argument if we evolved that way. The problem here is that OP doesn't like how we evolved, but it got us this far. To some degree behavior can be controlled and that's what civilization is. We don't live in the jungle and most of us wouldn't want to. But … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/23 02:48 AM |
| 2 | Do you care about a women's income when it comes to dating?I'm not dating, fucking, or marrying her for her money. If she's rich, if she's broke, it's all the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/23 04:03 AM |
| 90 | CMV: Most men would be content with women at least acknowledging how atrocious dating has become for males, rather than gaslighting them and insisting it was invariably something they were doing wrong or that it was their “personality.”I actually don't give a rat's ass whether or not any woman anywhere acknowledges my dating problems. I care about solving them. The acknowledgment or women is worthless. A woman asked to acknowledge the dating problems of men can reply, reasonably enough, that she has problems of her own. Life is unfair. Deal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/23 01:16 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill will become mainstream because the gender divide has become impossible to ignoreMainstream conservatives have started paroting Red Pill talking points and even some mainstream liberals like Richard Reeves have tried to address the gender divide. There is nothing on this Earth more impotent and irrelevant than mainstream conservatives, who have been defeated utterly. Red Pill will gradually be driven underground and criminalized in the feminist gynarchic dystopia of the future. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/23 11:51 PM |
| 2 | Men are better divided into three groups, not twoThe third: I'd define this group as men who either have no relationship experience at all by the age of 26, a virgin in their 30s, or both. Even if this group has grown in the last 10-15 years, I wouldn't put it as more than 10%. The three groups exist, so for a CMV I'm not sure what views are to be changed. My guess is that the top tier is maybe 5-10%. The bottom tier is hard to pin down due to a lack of data. My guess (Guess!) is 20-25%. There's a lot of grains of sand in this particular disas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/23 09:08 AM |
| 1 | As a man, your perceived ability to get casual sex will define the tone of every long term relationship you haveIn order to keep your woman, you need to be a man that a woman would want. Put it that way. That said, you don't need to be Gigachad and keep your woman in constant fear that you'll pick up some random woman on the street and slay her with your devastating game and the opening lines you learned in you Red Pill dating course and get anal on the first date. The situation is not that extreme. Good thing too, because you probably aren't Gigachad anyway and it's not likely that you ever can be. In ad… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/23 12:03 PM |
| 1 | the fundamental issue with most dating advice directed at men is most of it boils down to “be someone else entirely”There are guys who in fact need to be someone else entirely to succeed at dating. To what extent this is a feasible project is open to debate. Red Pill teaches guys how to pretend to be someone else. To what extent this is a feasible project is also open to debate. This kind of dating advice is all about making the external fit some societal standard (and its not a coincidence that many of the people who fall for it are neurodivergent men who feel the need to fit in), its all about pretending to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/23 03:49 AM |
| 2 | FBI documents reveal that Red Pill terminology like "Chad", "Looksmaxxing" and "Red Pill" itself is being flagged and monitored as an indicator of incel violence or racial/ethnic based extremism. How if at all do you think this will impact TRP as a source of dating/life advice?Eventually all Red Pill sites are going to be taken down. That First Amendment thing we used to have is over. It's just a matter of time. To the extent that any Red Pill friendly discussion is allowed it will be on sites that operate as an FBI honeypot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/23 03:30 AM |
| 21 | Being a Chad may not have a lot to do with looks, but with feeling like a winnerThe guys who "feel like winners" probably feel that way because they are. This is one of those pointless chicken and egg arguments. Winners feel like winners and losers fell like losers unless mental illness is involved. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/23 07:31 PM |
| 2 | Do you think in general having high social status allows men to get the highest quantity/quality of woman?Yes. I also believe that water is wet, that fire burns, and that the Sun rises in the East. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/23 07:05 PM |
| 4 | Practically no men are "obsessed" with sex, they just can't satisfy their healthy, normal desiresOh Jesus Christ. Men like sex and it's "warped" because there's porn. Men liked sex before porn was ever invented. Maybe the problem isn't that men like sex, it's that you don't like men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/23 08:48 PM |
| 1 | Men, can you explain the urge to sacrifice your life for your woman?Evolutionary adaptation for survival. There, that was simple. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/23 05:44 PM |
| 6 | For the men,would you rather be bachelor for life having sex with whoever you want but no relationship/kids or would you rather have a marriage and beautiful kids without any sex?Not of the kind I am interested in having with a woman. I'm not raising and supporting a child with a woman I'm friendzoned with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/23 07:24 PM |
| 7 | For the men,would you rather be bachelor for life having sex with whoever you want but no relationship/kids or would you rather have a marriage and beautiful kids without any sex?Sex is an inherent and essential part of a loving relationship, so in both of OP's hypotheticals I am not getting a loving relationship. However as the eternally swinging bachelor I can at least get laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/23 04:37 PM |
| 2 | For most men, self-improvement has diminishing returns on their SMV because they’re still competing with the top percentile of men.Self improvement is essential to lead a good life. There is no guarantee it will attract a woman. You're playing in a casino. And while you can learn correct strategy in blackjack, the fact is that the House will chuck you out if you succeed. You may win the occasional payout, or not. But in th end the game is what it is and the odds are against you. Self improvement works around the margins. maybe you can get a slightly more attractive woman because of it, or maybe you can't get one at all. 80/… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/23 05:24 AM |
| 3 | If and when technology reaches a point where artificial wombs and photorealistic VR sex becomes the norm; what do you think will happen in terms of the male/female dynamic in society?In the hypothetical case, it would simply accelerate trends already at work. Robots and porn can't give people love or validation, but these things would hasten the collapse of a society already in an advanced state of disintegration. People are already having less sex and fewer children because they are not optimistic about the future. This would simply give them a faster way to disengage from society. The main use of artificial wombs would be to give the groomers greater access to children. Pe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/23 06:48 PM |
| 2 | Men don’t care about women’s career?It's really a matter of perspective. if you're trying to pick a woman up for sex her engineering career is largely irrelevant. If we're talking a long term relationship, the fact that she can bring in actual money is something of a plus. Food and housing aren't getting any cheaper. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/23 07:45 PM |
| 2 | Got a window into average woman's dating life. It was an absolute shockIt seems illogical to post this as a CMV since I'm not sure how one would go about convincing OP that he didn't see what he saw. It may not be "Neutral", but reality rarely ever is. I suppose I could say that this women may be atypical and that the number of women willing to trade sex in a poly relationship for living expenses may be less than OP supposes. That's about as far as any CMV post can go in contradicting OP's post and I do not know for certain that it is true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/23 06:41 AM |
| 1 | Is “I want a smart man” the socially acceptable way of simply saying “I want a rich man”?"I want a smart man" means "I want a smart man". It doesn't mean that presented with a choice between a man who is smart and a man who is successful she would choose smart. The two are not equal and coordinate. It doesn't mean that presented with a choice between smart and Chad she would choose smart. Other things being equal most women would rather have a guy who is smart (Which is not equal and coordinate with "Has a lot of formal education".) Smart is a good quality but other things count as … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/23 04:15 PM |
| 0 | What would a Red Pill alternative from a leftist perspective look like?Leftism is a political paradigm based on class structure, it has very little to say about sexual dynamics. This is one of those questions that reddit would never permit me to answer honestly. I will give a limited answer and say that Lefty would assign SMV and probably eventually sexual partners since it socializes and centrally controls almost everything else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/23 02:13 AM |
| 28 | The primary cause of singleness among men is simple yet overlooked.If you’re in a city, one of the best things I recommend is become a regular somewhere nearby. Make a point to interact with the staff, go to do work, read, watch the game, whatever. This is not only important for getting yourself out there, but if you’re dating and you take a woman to your spot where people know you and take care of you it’s almost unbeatable initial social proof. This is good advice, though it's harder to make these places go as a business than most people realize. Coffeeshop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/23 08:54 PM |
| 0 | Most 'alpha' males are among the most insecure men in society Nowadays you often see these self proclaimed 'alpha' types preaching messages of inspiration, as if they're a born again altruist who's about uplifting and helping everyone become a victor like them, but the primary source of most of these guys confidence is steeped in the fundamental belief that they're better than others - better looking, more sexually desirable etc. Well, a man who is getting pussy is better than a man who is not, or at least he has been judged as better by the women he get… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/23 05:30 PM |
| 0 | cmv: I think dating multiple people at once is not only morally awful, and but also effectively awful.Dating multiple people at once is not "morally awful" unless you have promised one or more of them exclusivity. Why should I do that? What's in it for me? If you can date multiple people at once, then why not? multi dating feels like the death of romance, Well, yeah. It's dead and the corpse is getting a bit smelly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/23 08:57 AM |
| 1 | How can an average-looking dude inspire visceral attraction in women!?He can't, because he's average. He has to be above average or better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/23 08:56 AM |
| 1 | Female Sexual Bargaining Power Has Peaked And Is In DeclineThis is daft. Women aren't losing their sexual bargaining power because men who couldn't get women in the first place can now get better porn. To the extent that women are losing their sexual bargaining power its because they simply don't understand that it doesn't last. At 25, she has more sexual bargaining power than she will at 30, or 35, or 40. Her sexual bargaining power may never have been sufficient to get that six foot tall investment banker with the six pack. If she holds out for him in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/23 05:52 PM |
| 2 | Why do you think male loneliness and decline in dating is finally getting mainstream coverage?I'm not sure what this statement is intended to prove, but China and Russia both have conscription. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/23 04:45 PM |
| 0 | How is it physically possible that there are twice as many single men as women?This is a bit like the theory of relativity, where Einstein proved that the speed of light in a vacuum is c in any inertial reference frame, and that the spacetime values from one intertial reference frame to another are covariant with respect to the Lorentz Tansformations. After you realize that this is true, you're left working out the consequences. "But...but...that would mean that time passes at a different rate if you're in motion." Or, "But...but...that would mean that mass can be converte… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/23 01:46 PM |
| 3 | Why do you think male loneliness and decline in dating is finally getting mainstream coverage?There's been a lot of good comments on this thread. I think one thing that has put this on the radar is the recruitment crisis in the military. The people in charge need men for combat arms, and they can't sign them up. I think that actually has spooked them more than the general shortage of workers because in the past they've outsourced manufacturing and imported cheap labor like mad bastards. We are now de facto at war with Russia and that war may turn hot. (I offer no analysis of the wisdom o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/23 12:40 PM |
| 1 | There is no easy way to get women other than going after very unattractive womenI'm not sure that lowering your standards to date a fuck and have a relationship with a land whale would be all that easy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/23 01:34 AM |
| 1 | The best thing any man can do is to stop dating, and to also forget about marriage.You don't lose in poker with perfect play, you make money. You'll never win every hand, but you try to have the best of it and play the percentages. Dating has a luck element, really more than poker does. Anyone can make money at poker if they develop the skills. Dating coaches will promise that you will have success at dating if you develop the skills. Sometimes that's true. Getting out of the dating market altogether is an individual choice. For some men it will be the right one. You need to h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/23 11:00 PM |
| 3 | The best thing any man can do is to stop dating, and to also forget about marriage.Think of it as a casino. The house takes a percentage, but if you don't play you can't win. And if you know correct strategy, you can actually make a living at blackjack. (Until they throw you out) Dating is like blackjack. Marriage is like roulette. People play systems at roulette, but they're kidding themselves. You can win at blackjack, although most guys don't. It's harder than it looks. Where my analogy breaks down is that blackjack is a skill. You can learn correct strategy and you can lea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/23 10:58 AM |
| 3 | Do men need to be needed in a relationship?Men greatly want to be appreciated in a relationship. No one, after all, male or female, likes being taken for granted. But to be appreciated one normally has to be doing something for the other person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/23 09:35 AM |
| 0 | If women are only wanting equally or higher educated men, how will society keep the lights on?The lights will, in fact, go out. It won't happen all at once. Society runs on male investment. Men are beginning to divest. The short answer here is that society, as it is presently ordered, became unsustainable some time back. I'm not going to make a detailed analysis if this here. The reddit police wouldn't like my answers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/23 10:18 PM |
| 17 | The Manosphere (Red Pill whatever you want to call it) is a movement that is more about woman slander than helping men and boys.Okay then they should shut up about it. Bringing it up only to do nothing but trash talk women isn’t helping anyone. It's helpful for men to know the truth about women, even if that truth isn't especially flattering to women. This is a net positive to the men who hear the truth and to the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/23 04:47 AM |
| 29 | The Manosphere (Red Pill whatever you want to call it) is a movement that is more about woman slander than helping men and boys.Shouldn't manosphere men be mentoring boys or supporting them in getting sober (raising money for people who can't afford rehab?) encouraging them in school, tutoring them, etc?? I never see manosphere men talking about SOLUTIONS that don't involve disparaging women. This is daft. Red Pill wasn't set up to get boys or men into rehab or whatever. It wasn't set up to solve intractable social problems either. It's not a support group for men with drinking problems, we have AA for that. RP exists to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/23 12:45 AM |
| 0 | Question for both genders: what do you wish your own gender would stop doing or do more of?I wish men 1.) Would work harder on themselves, not so much because it will get them women (It probably won't) but because they need t be at their best in order to get anywhere, or have worthwhile lives, or maybe even to survive. The reason I don't women on the list of reasons why men need to work on themselves is that women have now become positional goods not open to most men. 2.) Would realize that they need to tribe up. Individually, men are weak. Together, they are mighty. 3.) Would learn t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/23 01:45 AM |
| 1 | The people saying "your league is who you can attract" forget they're giving this reply to men who can barley attract any women at allThe people saying "your league is who you can attract" understand that the men they are saying this to can't attract any women at all. They understand it perfectly well, and they don't give a rat fuck. Which is how it is when a man can't attract any woman at all. People will say a wide range of shit - you need to be patient, it will happen when you least expect it, or whatever. They will say that you need to lower your standards. That's a good one, since presumably a fellow can always lower his … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/23 03:11 AM |
| 16 | Even after a lot of self-improvement and personal growth, adult single men are increasingly entering the dating environment with a lot of resentmentIf a subsection of men are effectively "locked out" of the dating market until their late 20s, those same men who do end up making aesthetic and lifestyle improvements to the point they are "worthy of" are going to want to date casually when most women in that same age range are looking for something serious. This isn't wrong, but it's also not entirely correct. I think what really happens is that a guy locked out during his twenties might do a lot of stuff to improve himself or whatever. But wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/23 10:34 PM |
| 1 | Who is more successful in dating: conservative/right wing men or liberal/left wing men?I don't know a lot of Lefty guys. One of them is gay and the other one was a tranny. My nephew, who is a gym rat and quite good looking, says that when he dates a girl from the local university he is interviewed by her friends to make sure he is not a Trump supporter. Personally, I think that if he was an investment banker instead of a guy who delivers restaurant supplies, they would not care. I have traveled a good deal and almost never see attractive women in small towns. The really attractive… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/23 01:48 PM |
| 1 | What do you think about the lonely but successfull men who get a fwb with money instead of getting married?He is roommate with a young escort now. He does all the work at home (cleaning, cooking, ...etc.) and pays the bills. She lets him have sex with her almost everyday. I told him it is ridiculous to do this much work only to have sex. Then he showed me her photo. She is a solid 10/10. He also told me that he was already doing all the work at home when he was living alone. If he were in a respectable marriage he'd still be doing a lot of work. Nothing in this life is free, and if he were married to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/23 09:47 PM |
| 1 | How do redpillers justify sleeping around if they diminish the worth of women?Postponing marriage doesn’t mean they are single. My comment said nothing about marriage. Most women are in relationships, not fucking around. I'm well aware of what you said. Postponing marriage means that they are unmarried for as long as they postpone it. Meanwhile, they are fucking around. You can have the last word if you want it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/23 10:08 PM |
| 0 | How do redpillers justify sleeping around if they diminish the worth of women?In fact we do see it. Women keep postponing marriage later and later on the assumption that they can snag a beta provider husband after they spend their twenties, and maybe their early thirties fucking alphas. College is not life but the practice of women all fucking the same limited supply of alpha men doesn't end at graduation. I saw a figure recently that has appeared in the Washington Post on the number of men under age 30 who reported no female sexual partners, ever. Back around 2008, that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/23 07:25 PM |
| 3 | How do redpillers justify sleeping around if they diminish the worth of women?Good old virtue only works as long as most people, including most women, practice it. The assumption behind good old virtue is that there's going to be a socially enforced limit of one to a customer. One that assumption is gone, and relatively small number of men are getting most of the women (AT least during the women's most desirable years) good old virtue make you a good old chump. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/23 07:14 PM |
| 8 | How do redpillers justify sleeping around if they diminish the worth of women?Women share the relatively small number of men who are the winners in the sexual marketplace. Assuming a man is interested in a wife (And given current marriage and divorce laws he shouldn't be) there aren't going to be enough to go around. The practical calculation, I suppose, is that a man has a better chance of gaining admission to the winner's circle of sexually successful men than he does of making a successful marriage. Whether that is realistic is open to debate. Bloops like to accuse Red… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/23 06:42 PM |
| 1 | Thoughts on why divorce rates are so high nowDivorce rates are high because women file for divorce a lot. Divorce has really become a marker experience for women and it is nearly always initiated by the woman. They expect to have that divorce, which they will say is the man's fault (It is never theirs) and then after they divorce him and have him in permanent alimony/child support debt slavery, they can think about a status upgrade. The combination of no fault divorce laws, pro female divorce courts and female hypergamy means that marriage… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/23 02:30 AM |
| 2 | Is MGTOW the solution then?If I understand it correctly, towing the MiG is what you do after you have decided that there is no solution. Migtow amounts to making the best of it rather than whining about it. Or making the best of it while you work on a better solution. I saw a graph last night on the Fabius Maximus Twitter feed that came from the Washington Post/ It showed the percentage of men under thirty who eport having had no female sexual partners. Starting about 2008 that line shoots upwards. it was around 8% and no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/23 08:26 PM |
| – | 63% of men under 30 describe themselves as single, compared with 34% of women in the same age groupI never said society would collapse. I said that men who were permanent losers in the dating market would stop investing and that would become at some point a political issue. There are a number of ways that can go and I won't speculate about them here. The aspiring betas may redouble their efforts, but if the women are sharing the winners then whatever net benefit results won't accrue to the aspiring betas, so I don't expect them to redouble their efforts for very long. Human beings respond to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/23 11:12 PM |
| – | 63% of men under 30 describe themselves as single, compared with 34% of women in the same age groupFuture of the dating market? Most men will be losers anda few will be winners. There's no question about that. The question is what happens when the losers stop investing. The women will do fine, they can continue to share winners, but society runs on male investment. Ultimately that becomes a political issue and as such is somewhat outside the scope of this sub. Ultimately a society that cannot produce a generation of wives for its young men will be replaced by one that can or it will begin tak… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/23 07:35 PM |
| 2 | What even makes a woman unattractive, really?Fat. Single mom. Attention whore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/23 06:34 PM |
| – | Should it be acceptable to take actions at the personal level which destroy society at the macro level?Well, we already do things discourage certain kinds of individual behavior in part because of the costs they impose on society. Cigarette taxes, for example, since the health effects of cigarettes are borne by everyone. Likewise, we tax alcohol in part to defray the associated health costs. We had an experiment with prohibition that ended badly, so most people accept that an outright ban would do more harm than good, but the idea of taxing the stuff is generally viewed as acceptable. The sexual … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/23 07:37 PM |
| 1 | How are men supposed to meet women these days?Is that supposed to refute what I said? I simply pointed out that the methods OP listed all work better for the attractive and are likely to get a less favorable reception if the person using them is unattractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/23 01:27 AM |
| 2 | How are men supposed to meet women these days?All of the above named methods listed by OP will work if the man is attractive. Unattractive men are not supposed to meet women. They are icky and the women don't like looking at them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/23 05:54 PM |
| 1 | CMV: At this point, this sub is the red pill lightThe Blue Pill largely does not exist, except as a form of denying the Red Pill. It has no independent meaning of its own. Any belief system that has no meaning and purpose other than being a foil to some other system will fail and eventually come to be seen as a failure. (American conservatism is an outstanding case in point) This doesn't mean that the Red Pill is totally right in all things, simply that, in my view, the Blue Pill is seen as having no actionable advice for men. Whether Bloops ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/23 10:00 AM |
| 2 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxI don't mind the stigma. Really I don't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/23 03:19 AM |
| 1 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxIn my opinion the women suitable to be wives are taken by 35 after that they're left over women unsuitable for the institution of marriage... True, but beside the point. They have made themselves unsuitable as wives and will not become mothers. They are under no obligation to help society continue, but in that case it is reasonable to expect that they help defray the resulting costs. This includes the opportunity cost to society that their choices impose. Whatever their never conceived children … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/23 01:31 AM |
| 1 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxMore women are actually dating and marrying down..as they have no options..I know several 6 figure women married to or in relationships with guys that make substantially less.. The more she makes, the fewer men who will make more than her. The more formal education she receives, the fewer men will be better educated than her. A lot of feminists fought for has the effect of leaving women with a much shallower pool of potential desirable mates. To quote the old Spanish proverb, "Take what thou wan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/23 12:55 AM |
| 21 | Has The Virginity Rate Tripled, Leaving One In Three Men Virgins? Probably Not.Things like this assume a fact not in evidence, namely that total strangers can ask people about their sex lives and get the truth. To quote Lazarus Long, everybody lies about sex. In particular, I doubt that men in their late twenties who were virgins would be eager to admit it. The Post graph may simply be clickbait, but I would expect in all cases that the number of male virgins is substantially higher than the number who will admit it. OP is very probably wrong about the number of male virgi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/23 10:50 AM |
| 1 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxWestern society will collapse before any Bachelorette tax is imposed ..I doubt its even constitutional. Very probably true. No, it isn't constitutional, but on current trends I regard the Constitution as temporary. I expect that at some point we will see a mass political movement that appeals to and addresses the concerns of young men, led by a man who can inspire young men. When that happens, America will change, and not necessarily for the better. Of course as I said, the discussion is theoret… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/23 10:08 AM |
| 1 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxYou're better off just becoming attractive to women rather than trying to force them to pick you I'm not the least bit interested in forcing women to pick me or anyone else. One of the things I learned from this exercise is that very few people on reddit can frame an argument or even be bothered to read someone else's. Delayed marriage imposes societal costs. Those should be defrayed by taxing the behavior. The women can remain single into menopause for all I care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/23 03:08 AM |
| 1 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxNo | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/23 12:45 AM |
| 1 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxI explained that the discussion was theoretical. many discussions here are. As to goal, well it is perfectly achievable. The goal is to defray the cost of hypergamy by taxing the hypergamous. The goal is not necessarily to change behavior. (Though it might) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/23 12:39 AM |
| 1 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxI want nothing from you, and I'm not clear as to why you think I ever would | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/23 12:36 AM |
| 0 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxIt implies nothing of the sort. An arts major working as a barista is unlikely to retire to the Bahamas. In any case, the costs a woman who refuses to commit to a man impose go far beyond her Social Security check or what have you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 10:54 AM |
| -2 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxWomen who are not having kids are working and thus paying taxes and being useful to society. Debateable. I do not claim that men work more. Men's work is often more valuable. A longshoreman, a truck driver, a petroleum engineer, and a welder are likely more useful than, say, an HR lady, a teacher of gender studies, or an arts major working as a barista. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 10:52 AM |
| -1 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette Tax1)many women make there own money abd can support themselves True, which is why the tax is levied as a percentage of her income. We cannot expect to really end hypergamy, as women are hard wired for it, something my critics mostly fail to grasp. We can impose costs and defray the expense that hypergamy and a decade or more of slutting impose on all of us. 2) women can have children solo,freeze their eggs, use donor sperm and become a first time single mother at 50 True, but with no man in her li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 10:07 AM |
| 1 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxMore or less, and no one has made any serious attempt to refute it. EDIT: They are not an immediate tax burden but will eventually become one. They do become an economic and social burden well before that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 09:54 AM |
| -2 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxThat is not hypergamy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 09:52 AM |
| 1 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxWomen are already paying taxes for working. And they would continue to do so. Married women can and do work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 09:47 AM |
| -2 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxYou believe women are in the wrong for sleeping with whom they please, because you think it's reasonable for men to destroy society if they don't get their dicks wet I don't believe that at all. It is, as they say a free country. I believe that delayed marriage and promiscuity impose costs on society. Smoking imposes costs on society, but we don't ban it. We look for ways to defray the cost. In any case, the issue isn't what I believe, but whether anyone here can frame a serious counter argument… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 09:43 AM |
| 0 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxI don't doubt that this is true, but the purpose of the tax is not to change behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 09:36 AM |
| -2 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxWomen who don't marry means men who don't marry and become invested in society, which depends on men producing surplus resources for its continuation. That women are delaying marriage is self evident, as are the problems this creates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 02:39 AM |
| -10 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxThis isn't the Vietnam era draft. There would be no exemption for college. EDIT: You would, of course, be free to to go to Canada | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 12:18 AM |
| -5 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxI do not propose to regulate access to your, or anyone else's vagina. There will be no National Vaginal Access Bureau. (NVAB) There will no midnight knock on the door by armed agents of the state. Such would repugnant. The liberated modern woman would be free to decide entirely on her own who could, and could not access her vagina. But she must pay her share of the costs that she and her vagiina impose on all of us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 12:16 AM |
| 2 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxThe two proposals are not mutually exclusive. But the point of the question was to see, what if any serious counterarguments would be offered, not to engage in endless butwhatabout. So far, no one has taken up the challenge of trying to change my view. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 12:09 AM |
| -8 | A Modest Proposal: The Bachelorette TaxThe point of the tax is not to change behavior, but to raise revenue to defray the costs of the behavior. if you chose to pay the tax, the tax would still be fulfilling its intended function. Females are hard wired for hypergamy. Trying to change this is pointless, barring genetic engineering, which I would strongly oppose. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/23 12:06 AM |
| 3 | Do the majority of men settle?Given that American women mostly aren't very attractive, I think most men do settle. Men want a hot woman. American women are mostly fat, slovenly, and ill groomed. Most men aren't going to have their pick of model caliber women, but in the past most men had better choices than they have now. It's not that men have better choices available, it's that mostly they don't really have any decent choices available, and the available choices are not as good as those that were available to men in the pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/23 01:48 AM |
| 0 | "Just work on yourself, bro" is a polite way of gaslighting menWork on yourself is excellent advice. So is focus on your career and hobbies. You need money to live on, and until and unless you meet a woman, you need stuff to do with your time. So this is not gaslighting. If you aren't working on yourself, if you aren't trying to get ahead and living an interesting and worthwhile life, then you're giving up, and frankly that's not going to help you get women. Relationships aren't everything and the right one will come along aren't gaslighting either, they're… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/23 07:07 PM |
| 2 | Just out of curiosity, why are Redditors so up in arms and worried about incels compared to other social media such as tiktok,insta,and twitter?Part of it is the current obeseeion with "safe" speech. (Speech while wearing a condom?) Incel content started being purged from the net in general following the Elliot Rodger killings. The assumption seems to be that every incel is a potential mass shooter. Of course, Elliot Rodger got the attention he did in large part because of how unusual he was. Incels (And Rodger never referred to himself as such) mostly just lead lives of quiet desperation. The second reason is that incel content tends t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/23 12:36 PM |
| 1 | Am I the only one on r/PurplePillDebate that doesn't hate this sub?I don't hate the sub and never have. I do find it often pointless, and I don't post here as often as I used to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/23 02:37 AM |
| 2 | The problems between modern men and women, all comes down to the hypersexualization culture, for example movies, that are a form of sexual grooming and help to create a pick-up culture, in other countries sex is never seen as a goal in and of itself, just a section of married people's situationI find myself wondering how much sexualization we are allowed before it becomes "hyper". Am I allowed to notice that a given woman is eminently fuckable, or would that make me hyper? Is hypersex anything like hyperspace, and you can just jump through it faster than light? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/23 09:48 AM |
| 9 | Being fatphobic is the same as being racist and sexistSo what exactly are we going to do about this? Enact civil rights legislation for fatties that allows them to file charges of discrimination if you don't date and/or fuck them? People are attracted to what they are attracted to. Will we enact fat quotas requiring you to date a mandatory set aside percentage of land whales? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/23 09:16 AM |
| 0 | Women focus on careers because a career is a good investment, a man generally isn'tWhich is irrelevant to OPs original question. A career as a life priority is not a good choice for most women. Not here, not there, not anywhere. I shan't reply again unless you have something to say relevant to OP's original question | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/23 05:27 PM |
| 1 | Women focus on careers because a career is a good investment, a man generally isn'tYou infer something I didn't say. I have no idea as to the job markets of other countries. I have some considerable experience with the American job market and I have seen people work in a lifetime and have remarkably little to show for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/23 05:16 PM |
| 0 | Women focus on careers because a career is a good investment, a man generally isn'tWomen, like many investors, do not understand what they invest in or how to judge its value. The fact that a large number of investors invest in something does mean it has value or that its value will go up. If that were true, then the people who invested in those Dutch tulips would have all died rich. If you make a husband the centre of your world and your whole purpose and reason for getting up in the morning, what are you going to do if it doesn't work out or if he does something to destroy t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/23 10:08 AM |
| 1 | Single Men, what are your standards?Actually, I assumed that most people would be able to infer my racial preferences. I did not anticipate that people would think themselves especially clever for doing so. In general, I tend to be fairly cautious about discussing racial matters in a public forum, especially one subject to censorship. EDIT: The fact that the post ahs been removed by the Reddit police sort of proves my point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/22 05:31 PM |
| 0 | Single Men, what are your standards?You're assuming an answer I didn't give. The reddit police might or might not care about the answer I would have given, but there is nothing to be gained by telling the truth in this case | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/22 03:24 PM |
| -1 | Single Men, what are your standards?No single Moms Height/weight proportionate Wants to have sex with me Race: The reddit police wouldn't like my answer Obviously money is better than no money, but she can be broke as long as it's due to misfortune and not her life being a dumpster fire Height: If she's taller than me, I won't care, but she would probably not have me House: I doubt she's going to have a house unless she divorce raped a guy, so a house might actually be an automatic DQ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/22 01:33 PM |
| 1 | I don't think a lot of TRP gurus are really on the side of the average guyBut in terms of the big picture, most of these gurus have no advice for how average men and women can learn to find a mate on their level, learn to be sufficiently attracted and attractive to them, and get on with loving their mate and living life Well, no, and no one would pay them if they were. The Red Pill guys are in the business of giving men advice to navigate the modern dating market as it is. Most of the success stories are probably fake, but some number of users do see improvement in th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/22 03:58 PM |
| 2 | Prediction - In the near future, porn tech will get exponentially better and might kill dating & relationshipsI am endlessly hearing about the end of dating and the sexbots are coming, along with the new improved porn. I doubt that very much is true. Sexbots/VR porn are kind of like controlled thermonuclear fusion. We've been working on it since the 50s and we're probably no closer to a working reactor design than we were back then. Even if all this high tech porno ca actually be made to work the cost is likely to be beyond the average frustrated chump, and I suspect the government would step in to rest… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/22 07:15 AM |
| 1 | Anyone notice that in a lot of male-oriented space, the general consensus is that they hold themselves accountable for their self improvement, while in female-oriented spaces, they focus on placating their members?There is more emphasis on accountability among men because men can be held accountable. Women not so much. If women are not getting what they want, it is because there are no good men, and the women are not appreciated at their own self estimated value. If men are not getting what they want it's their fault and the need to do better, so they get some version of the always be closing speech. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/22 04:42 PM |
| 1 | Why should men still be the ones to pursue?It's like baccarat. The game is rigged, but if you don't play you can't win. if the game is beatable (Blackjack) the house will eventually throw you out once they see you know how to beat it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/22 10:01 AM |
| 1 | Single Men vs Single WomenThey even become objects of the Two Minutes Hate | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/22 03:30 AM |
| 2 | Single Men vs Single WomenApparently incels are becoming a bit like Goldstein. No one has seen him lately, but we are told by the Party that he is to be blamed for everything | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/22 12:49 AM |
| 2 | Can youmake a case for or against promiscuity?For: Fucking women is fun. It's actually more fun than spending a lot of time with them. (In the end, they aren't really that interesting to talk to and if you marry one she'll divorce rape you) ) Fucking as many women as possible is the best possible way to spend your painfully limited time on this Earth, and it gives you memories for when you're an old man living on your social security that's eaten up by inflation in a decaying country on the skids Against: Disease, paternity suits, getting l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/22 02:39 PM |
| 6 | Women do not like male virgins and prefer men with skill and experience in bedYou're not wrong and we aren't going to get the sharpened screwdrivers out over this, but preselection = the guy knows what to do. And she can tell well in advance if the guy is preselected. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/22 08:13 PM |
| 19 | Women do not like male virgins and prefer men with skill and experience in bedWomen do not like male virgins and prefer men who have been preselected. N-count is a measure of preselection. They want the guy because other women do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/22 05:25 PM |
| 2 | Would you encourage men to ''date down''?Men are constantky encouraged to date down since any man who doesn't want to date a land whale is accused of having impossibly high standards. I would not encourage men to "date down", but someone always will. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/22 05:00 AM |
| 6 | Internet echo chambers will lead to a dystopian future.I can't finish this at 0447 when I haven't finished my coffee and I'm looking at another day working on a sore knee. Let me just say that internet echo chambers are a harbinger of the apocalypse, Western Civ is doomed and no longer worth saving. Right now I just want to see it all burn so I wouldn't have to go into work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/22 09:51 AM |
| 6 | CMV: Men who are inexperienced with relationships/sex should just lie about iteverybody lies about sex, but understand that a guy who is inexperienced because of social anxiety probably won't be able to lie about it convincingly. OP is correct within the indicated limits of his claims, but a guy who shows up reeking of desperation and long term failure may simply not be able fake it until he makes it, because his fakery will be painfully obvious from a mile off. Faking it is likely a viable strategy for an inexperienced guy if and only if he has done something to try to a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/22 12:34 PM |
| 4 | If a woman has to lower her standards for you to have a shot with her, the relationship you’ll have with her will be shaky at bestThis is both true and false. Given the trajectory of the lives of most American women, they do lower their standards after are done slutting around and looking to finally marry. Go look op AFBB. And yes, after they lower their standards to marry their beta provider husband the relationship is shaky because she will divorce him. Divorces are initiated by the woman i nearly all cases. Most women at this point likely expect/plan/assume that they will have at least one divorce in their lives, often … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/22 02:28 PM |
| 2 | a lot of high value men did not work for itThanks for the support. I got three downvotes on that post, and OP got pissy because I used the example he quoted. CMVs are basically horseshit, because no one wants their views changed, especially the blackpill types. OP wasn't wrong, it was more like OP was not even wrong. Life is unfair and the guys doing well mostly do have to put in some kind of effort. There's no guarantee that your efforts will be rewarded. Losing is part of gambling. As Hunter Thompson says, buy the ticket, take the ride… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/22 12:32 AM |
| 1 | Who has more pressure? Do women have more pressure to be beautiful or do men have more pressure to be successful and why?I'm not sure this question has an answer. A woman's beauty and man's success are in both cases a key part of their success in the dating market. This sub has an obsession with who has it worse that at times crosses into the bizarre. To quote Orwell, every life, viewed from within, is a series of defeats. Truly, things are tough all over | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/22 05:37 PM |
| 0 | a lot of high value men did not work for itDonald Trump is a great example Your words, not mine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/22 05:07 PM |
| 0 | a lot of high value men did not work for itSo what, exactly, are you planning to do about it? Lead the Revolution? Frustrated dudes of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains! From each woman according to her beauty, to each guy according to his envious horniness. Look, even for the lucky ones, they have to maintain it. Donald Trump, to cite one of your examples, worked like hell on his public image and his real estate business. Say what you will about him, the guy built his brand. Years ago I was traveling, and I got … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/22 06:03 AM |
| 51 | a lot of high value men did not work for itNews flash. Life is unfair. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/22 12:48 AM |
| 1 | For all this talk of “the Wall”, I think in big cities (certainly London in my experience), men need to be alive to the fact that there are a lot of women out there who are totally fine with remaining single well into their thirties and potentially foreverWomen may not want to be married or bear children, but their highest aspiration remains a large expensive wedding at which they are Queen for a Day. This requires that they land a man. After this, they can work on the even more advanced nirvana divorcing him and trading up. Both the first marriage and second marriage require a man. We are not yet entirely disposable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/22 07:43 PM |
| 2 | Failing at finding a partner doesn't have to be anyone's faultWell, actually, yes, it does have to be someone fault, and it is always self evidently true that it is someone's fault, because if it isn't then it could happen/could have happened to you. Everyone needs to feel better than someone, it's an inherent human need, and if you succeed then you're better than someone who didn't. I understand OP's argument, and while it may contain some amount of truth value in particular cases, this doesn't change the fact that at the meta level of reality at which so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/22 04:06 AM |
| 1 | Are most men with women that they are not physically attracted to?The answer to OP's question is probably yes. Most of the women I see on the street are unattractive due to some combination of obesity and poor dress and grooming. I shall doubtless be told that my standards are too high, but I suspect that they are those of the average male. So I suppose a thirsty enough man will fuck even the women that I typically see in the supermarket. Poor fellows. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/22 07:41 PM |
| 4 | Men’s expectation of women to help/pity “socially akward men” is sexist and dangerous.This is daft. 1.) It is unreasonable to expect young women to help socially awkward men because that's not their job. Go help yourself 2.) I realize that unattractive men are the shit of the Earth, and the unattractive men realize it too. That said, unattractive does not equal dangerous. A man's attractiveness is not in and of itself evidence of how much of a risk he may pose. (ted Bundy case in point) Unattractive men are not in and of themselves morally repugnant either. They are merely...unat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/22 06:20 PM |
| 4 | We as men need to step our game up, it’s not fair, but it’s lifeBut after a certain age women don’t want to chase after the guy they think is physically attractive so they start thinking in terms of emotional attractiveness. That’s what us normies can provide. We can be the shoulder to cry on, the good conversation piece, the one that makes her laugh till she pisses herself, none of that is innate like height or facial structure. It can be learned and easily. After spending their twenties and maybe early thirties fucking Chads, women start thinking about fin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/22 10:47 PM |
| 2 | Men and women, What do you think of women who "give a chance to somone" after a long time?She didn't want him the first time and didn't want him the second time either, but she needed a new man in her life, and he was gettable. He was stupid enough, or desperate enough to marry a woman who didn't love him or want him but needed him to help raise her child by another man. EDIT: He presumably had no better options available. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/22 01:44 AM |
| 1 | Only 12% of women are between the ages of 20-24 which means the dream that redpill is selling is bullshitMost people will never win the lottery, but the prize can be a rich one, so some people play anyway. And someone wins and if you don't play you can't win. Most of the guys at the poker table will leave without winning the pot, but someone will leave with the pot, and the pot is a nice thing to leave with. Red Pill at its best is like an intelligent form of gambling. You try to tilt the odds in your favor as far as you can. You seek to have the best of it. Low percentage of success is not bullshi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/22 07:04 PM |
| 2 | The problem with "game" and fake it until you make it is it's essentially manipulation, not genuine attraction, which can only last so longEven if OP were right, OP would still be wrong. Temporary success is still success. A struggling guy will accept an HFN even if he can't have an HEA. He needs to be attractive to a girl, and she likely won't be attracted to him unless he acts in an attractive way. That doesn't mean he has to lie or manipulate, but he does have to put his best foot forward. It is unlikely that the first girl a fellow dates will be his One True Love, his Happily Ever After. Dating is mostly a string of temporary l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 03:44 PM |
| 2 | Is it true that men have it harder than women because what makes a man attractive can't be faked or is extremely difficult to achieve?OP makes a valid point, in that the qualities that make for a good man are not easily faked. That said, women are willingly deceived all the time by men, so obviously women can and do see qualities in men that aren't really there, and fakery and deception can be involved. I'll point out that Red Pill is largely about men faking it by teaching them act more alpha, in effect to use fakery to increase their attractiveness. To what extent women are taken in by guys who paid for the dating course tau… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 09:01 AM |
| 2 | At what age have you personally felt most sexually desirable to the opposite sex?Iin my thirties, largely because I spent my twenties broke. A man always walks taller with money in his pocket. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/10/22 07:13 PM |
| 3 | Which group of singles is the most useless?I would say the real question is not which group is more useless, but which group OP hates more and holds in greater contempt. I would say that going by OP's standards, as I understand them, that the men are more "Useless" since they are unlikely to ever become useful as OP uses the term. Undesirable men do not magically become desirable, and few trips to the gym and buying the dating course by noted poon expert Crunch Hardtack are unlikely to improve their prospecs much. The women, could, in th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/22 06:40 PM |
| 1 | A man reaches the age of 30 without ever experiencing sex, intimacy, or a romantic relationship (30 year old virgin). What is your initial honest reaction / assumption, can his life be corrected, and what advice would you give?Assuming the worst (living with their parents, low income / unemployed), what would you suggest a 30 year old virgin do? He will probably have to make considerable changes to his life circumstances before he has a decent chance of attracting a woman. He will need to get his own place and do his utmost to increase his income. Even if this is accomplished, he will face an uphill struggle, as his lack of experience will be held against him. Sexually unsuccessful men are never forgiven for it, nor a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/10/22 12:35 AM |
| 2 | Confidence is almost entirely a result of external factors not an internal decision to be confidentI recall advice that was given to a character in a science fiction novel that I read in high school (Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov.) "Both hope and fear are weaknesses. You must learn to live without hope and go forward with your eyes open." This is the attitude, I think that men must have in dating. They must not hope for success, as it is unlikely, adn they must not fear failure, but they must go forward with their eyes open, knowing that the house odds are against them, but if they do not… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/22 09:36 AM |
| 1 | What age does it start to become 'weird' to still be a virgin? When does it go from "that's cute" to a red flag to a dealbreaker?I've no idea. The question posed, as I understand it, is when does virginity start to carry a stigma. I suppose at thirty it carries a greater stigma. I do not claim this is fair or useful, but life can be that way. I do not believe that at thirty a fellow's chances are zero. I do believe that after say, twenty-one his chances begin asymptotically approaching zero. He retains a nonzero chance so long as he is alive and able to function. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/22 02:17 AM |
| 1 | What age does it start to become 'weird' to still be a virgin? When does it go from "that's cute" to a red flag to a dealbreaker?I won't attempt to answer the question for women, but for young men, if he hasn't lost it by twenty-three he's likely in serious trouble. He is likely to be seen as a failure and may have come to see himself as a failure. Both conditions can be hard to correct. Really, I think it will be seen as "weird" or at least questionable when he's twenty-one, but for a couple of years he may be seen as a late bloomer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/22 11:36 PM |
| 1 | How ''matched'' are most couples?They are matched enough to be matched | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/22 01:28 AM |
| 2 | What happens when people "give up"?OP asks questions that would take a book to answer if they even can be answered. I suspect most of OP's questions ultimately have no answer. There is an unbridgeable gap between guys who "give up" and guys who don't. I suspect, and this a lot of speculation on my part, that nothing much happens when guys give up, because it has already happened. It's more like a process. Kubler-Ross identifies a number of steps that dying people go through, and I suspect that guys who fail in the dating market… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/22 01:17 AM |
| 30 | Can a man truly give up on sex and be happy ?Cue up "Looking for the Next Best Thing" by Warren Zevon In the situation that OP posits, you'll be faced with the choice offered in The Shawshank Redemption. Get busy living or get busy dying. Whether a fellow is having sex or not, he needs to be busy. Relationships are a lot of work, and that will keep him busy. No relationship means that he needs to be busy looking for one, or improving himself, or finding something interesting and worthwhile to do. He may or may not find happiness, for any g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/22 10:52 AM |
| 1 | The Cultural Left has no Prescriptive Model of MasculinityThe cultural left has a clear, well-articulated idea of what a "Woman" is I dunno. Ask one to define woman, and a surprising number of them can't | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/22 12:26 AM |
| 5 | The notion that women expect Gigachad because of social media is projection by men onto women.Women expect Gigachad because they are biologically hardwired for hypergamy. Social media allows them to shop for men far outside their immediate social circle and what they shop for is Gigachad. "Projection" is one of those conjure words that Bloops use when they are denying reality | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/22 01:19 PM |
| 4 | TRP tries to reduce the value of women by lowering their self confidence making them accessible to the RP demographicGood God Almighty. How could it do that? Do you think these guys have superpowers? That's what they want the suckers to believe. I saw it a post one time, some guy was explaining that Red Pill teaches you to brainhack women and I thought Christ, if I could do that I'd never do anything else. What is taught to men is that they should not overvalue any given woman, and that they should maintain the mindset that if they fail to get this woman then they can get another woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/22 12:35 PM |
| 1 | Does a woman's appearance really matter THAT much?I'm not sure why you would think I'm not American. I assure you that I was born and raised here, and I am widely traveled. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/22 02:51 AM |
| 1 | Does a woman's appearance really matter THAT much?Because in my social circle, I haven't really noticed much of a pattern between a woman's dating success and her looks. I'm not entirely sure what to make of this. A part of me wants to say that OP must know some damned ugly women. Ugliness, especially in the form of fat and poor grooming, is now nearly universal among American women, and no matter how revolting a woman is, there will almost certainly be a man willing to fuck her because here just isn't anything else. It would be interesting to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/22 09:03 AM |
| 6 | When will things finally start looking better for men?Things will improve for men when there is a mass movement of young men that speaks to their concerns. That day is coming, but it is painfully slow in arriving. There is no escape from the human condition under any regime, but the gains of feminism will have to be clawed back to something that allows for the continuation of society. Men must learn that individually they are weak, but that together they are mighty. When they learn this, their lives will improve. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/22 08:59 AM |
| 6 | Why do women seem to be less bothered by being single than men?Single men are usually sexless. Single women can shop the dating apps and get attention and male companionship more or less for the asking, often even if they are fat and unattractive. Women aspire to marriage, and suitable partners can be scarce, and eventually they aspire to divorce followed by a status upgrade to an alpha male. But she has more certainty than a man that her singleness is temporary, and that she can eventually end it on her terms (She may be deluding herself about this but tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/22 09:06 AM |
| 2 | College men are increasingly shifting right, while college women are shifting left. Why do you think that is?The question is always who and whom. College women benefit from the system the Left has created in Universities, or think they do. Also, they are not inclined to question what is, because of peer pressure. Women are herd animals. Men on the other hand, are not beneficiaries of the system. They are told endlessly that they are evil, they see the kangaroo courts established for bogus claims of sexual assault. And increasingly they are excluded from sex. Thus, who/whom. It is simple, yet beyond the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/22 08:51 AM |
| -2 | the values and negatives of the red pill, how it can be a valuable stepping stone to become a better man, but you must be aware of it's limitationsThe thing about redpill is that it works, 90 percent of red pill stuff is just self-improvement and social psychology, and the other 10 percent is excellent for hooking up with dumb girls who have no self-respect, but it falls apart when you meet the rare woman who has common sense and self-respect. In other words it works until you meet a woman who is not like really women are. If you meet that woman. If that woman exists. An idea or set of ideas may be true, it may be useful, it may be both, o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/22 11:47 AM |
| 22 | American women are some of the most overrated women on the planet.Most people who actually leave the house understand that American women mostly don't look anything like the models and actresses we see . They average about forty pounds heavier and tend to be poorly dressed and groomed. No, they aren't overrated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/22 07:06 PM |
| -1 | What do you think actually helps men date?Looks. Money. Status. Previous success from which confidence flows. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/22 12:18 PM |
| 1 | How would you feel about your children struggling with dating?The default setting for most parents is going to be "It's a passing phase". And that will probably remain true if that passing phase lasts a decade and still hasn't passed. It's hard for parents to admit that something is seriously wrong in their children's lives because of a combination of blindness and the fear that it will reflect on them. In any case, what would they do? There isn't a lot of help available, frankly, and the parents may have no idea of what do about it themselves. I'm not a p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/22 04:55 AM |
| 17 | most blue pillers and blackpillers give lonely men a very grim view of dating kifeWhy wouldn't guys take the red pill. In short, because Red Pill guys have no idea that they sound like grifters. The more honest Red Pillers manage, or once tried to manage expectations. Heartiste, before his deplatforming, once pointed out that if you could get a guy from banging 4s to banging 6s, that was a major lifestyle upgrade. Lonely guys are lonely for reasons, and that can include lack of basic social skills and clinical mental illness, or problems of physical unattractiveness that will… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/22 09:22 PM |
| 1 | Most men that aren't having sex are otherwise fairly normal dudes, not women hating misogynists like reddit and society would lead you to believeThis is an honest and accurate comment. The only thing I would add is that fellow attempting deickification* may encounter some hostility over it, and man who tries to help him may be treated as suspect. One of the reasons why a man should not turn to women for dating advice is that women benefit from having the desirable men clearly labeled. An icky man is not desirable. If he attempts to rid himself of his ickiness, unattractiveness, or beta cooties, then it raises the possibility that she mig… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/22 08:14 PM |
| 32 | Most men that aren't having sex are otherwise fairly normal dudes, not women hating misogynists like reddit and society would lead you to believeMen who are not having sex are not having sex because they are unattractive. Men who are unattractive are icky, especially if they approach a woman. How dare they. The reasons for a fellow's ickiness may or may not be within his control. If he is able to unickify himself, he should by all means do so. What he can do towards this goal is determined on a case by case basis. Anything from genetics to mental illness to lack of game or savoir faire or confidence can play a role. Most unattractive men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/22 06:36 AM |
| 2 | How do some guys get laid or dates without having to make much effort or doing anything special?Money, fame, or win the genetic lottery. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/22 06:45 PM |
| 2 | Is cheating and infidelity inevitable?Nothing is inevitable except death and taxes. but cheating and infidelity are highly probable. They're hard wired that way. The concept of hypergamy is really disheartening for me as well, in that women always have a roster of men to pull from and if I slip up or am deemed not good enough. As the saying goes, she was never yours, it was just your turn. That doesn't preclude you enjoying your turn. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/22 07:14 PM |
| 2 | How does TRP/manosphere not negatively affect men’s mental health for 80-90% of it’s audience who don’t become part of the top 10-20%?They say the truth will set you free but first it will piss you off. And sometimes the RP guys call it the Anger Phase. But red Pill isn't the Necronomicon. It's not like H P Lovecraft where you read the forbidden book and learn things that man was not meant to know, and lose sanity points. And you definitely don't unleash Cthulu. (Although the Black Pill guys may be working on that one) It's always better to know the truth, even if not everyone reacts to it in a positive way. That's how it got … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/22 02:53 AM |
| 4 | Why are there so many lonely young people now? (Particularly men).I'll say that many, probably most of the explanations offered here contain at least some truth, but when so many reasons are offered it's likely that none of them is the real reason. Western Civ is dying, and the fact is that we die alone. We are not reproducing ourselves culturally or biologically. That dying process began before anyone reading this was born. Western Civ may stagger on a while longer, but the end is likely inevitable. I do not now believe that the process can be halted or rever… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/22 11:05 PM |
| 3 | What are common ways men and women shoot themselves in the foot?They become obese, which is repulsive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/22 06:21 AM |
| 0 | Chivalry: what is it? Who killed it?Two definitions of Chivalry, taken from Wikipedia 1.) the combination of qualities expected of an ideal knight, especially courage, honor, courtesy, justice, and a readiness to help the weak. 2.) courteous behavior, especially that of a man toward women Chivalry is only possible for strong men. Most modern men are weak. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/22 12:15 AM |
| 6 | If standards are 'on the floor' for men, how high is the floor?It doesn't matter where the bar is. You clear it or you don't. Most men aren't going to clear her bar. It's called hypergamy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/22 12:11 AM |
| 1 | There is zero point in being confident as a man if you’re physically unattractive.With the proviso that it matters why you are unattractive. You have no control over your genetics, but you do have control over the care you take of yourself. If you say that "I am unattractive and therefore doomed" because you are fat, slovenly, lazy, ill groomed, whatever...then yeah, confidence isn't going to help you. Attractiveness/unattractiveness does not exist in a vacuum. OP is right - within limits. You can be in a situation where confidence won't matter. The old song "High Hopes" isn'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/22 09:04 AM |
| 2 | Pill ideology is irrelevant to most healthy people capable of successful relationships.Translation: Successful people have no need of Red Pill because they are successful. Unsuccessful people are unsuccessful because they are not healthy people capable of successful relationships. Successful people have no need to improve. Unsuccessful people are incapable of improvement, because a loser is a loser. Honestly, I think if they could herd guys who struggle onto cattle cars and ship them to death camps, they would | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/22 10:59 AM |
| 4 | Most women DO NOT prefer men their age and younger men.News Flash: People generally date/marry close to their own age. Also, experts now predict that the Sun will rise in the East tomorrow. General rules do, however, have specific exceptions. That's why we call them general rules. Yes, there are twenty-one year old women who date forty-five year old guys, because they're more patient and understanding, and have more money, and have the patience and understanding to take them to expensive places and have nicer cars, and they are more patient and unde… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/22 09:14 PM |
| 3 | Giving woman your own age a chance why?What exactly do you gain from marrying a professional woman in her early thirties? Nothing. A younger woman will be better for childbearing and childrearing and is likely to be more sexually attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/22 04:29 PM |
| 2 | So what do men want women to say / do when they face continuous rejection?I'll go all Zen and say to OP "Unask the question". The question as posed ultimately has no answer. Acknowledging the pain of romantic and sexual failure dies nothing to ease it. I don't think anyone should ever rub it in on someone who's struggling, because basically the act of a sociopath. On the other hand saying to someone "Yes, you are struggling, I understand" doesn't help them and you probably don't really understand anyway. This sub does not permit incel or blackpill content, and I don't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/22 12:52 PM |
| 5 | Where do we as a species go from here?If women cannot overcome thier hypergamous nature, and a large portion of men cannot raise themselves up to be deemed as suitable partners. Then where do we as a species go from here? OP confuses the problems of the West with the problems of the human species. They are not equal and coordinate. The West has ceased reproducing itself demographically and will disappear. It will be replaced by non Western cultures that breed to replacement. The human species will continue as it always has. Any cult… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/22 12:04 PM |
| 2 | The bar for men is low. Men who have zero success with women are doing something really wrongWell, obviously all men have to do is buy the Red Pill dating course taught by noted poon expert Crunch Hardtack and our problems will be solved. I use my nephew as kind of a yardstick for this. He's an outstanding athlete, works out hard at the gym, is ripped, and physically can do jobs most men can't do. He earns way more money, even adjusted for inflation, than I ever saw at his age. When I was his age, guys who looked like this and made this kind of money invariably had hot girlfriends on th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/22 08:49 AM |
| 1 | what exactly are the standards for an average man ?How do women in those subs perceive an average man to be like ? Beneath their consideration and unworthy of them And would they even be with an average man ? If nothing better were available and only until better comes along If not then why bother about those standards ? So they can know when to dump the man they currently have and trade up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/22 08:47 AM |
| 1 | Why this misconception that less attractive men will treat women better?Attractive men don't treat women better, but they are attractive, so they are perceived as treating women better. A woman with an attractive man is being treated better because she's with an attractive man. Being attractive, he's also funnier, and more interesting, and more sympathetic and understanding. Attractiveness has a way of doing that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/22 12:12 AM |
| 5 | would a guy really be too nervous to make a move?The key words in this post are "at work". If it's at work, I'm not making a move, period. I don't need that kind of aggravation in my life. As for my dream girl...she's out of my league. There would be no point. I'll make a lot of moves on a lot of women, but my dream girl...is just a dream. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/22 01:48 AM |
| 1 | How Long is Too Long to Wait For Sex?I don't actually care why she's not having sex with me. No one owes me sex, ever. Her reasons are her reasons, period, end of story, and I'm not going to make an issue of them. The flip side of that is that I don't owe her courtship. But hypothetically, let's say she tells me that she isn't ready yet, and she needs more time. She doesn't know how much more time she needs, and she doesn't know that she will ever be ready. But she'd like to keep me to court her. She still wants my courtship, my at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/22 12:15 AM |
| 2 | How Long is Too Long to Wait For Sex?The red line is where I become her celibate boyfriend, which I absolutely refuse to do for anybody. I don't owe her dates , and attention, and spending time and money on her when I have neither sex nor the promise of a relationship. Three dates is a reasonable limit. AFter that, it's reasonable to conclude that she doesn't find me attractive and is just there to get free stuff, or she is otherwise wasting my time. If she's a virgin, that's fixable, and if she has trauma or whatever then she need… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/22 09:18 AM |
| 2 | Financially investing in women early on to show that you're not just after sex seems logical. But when women take advantage of this by using men as free meal tickets or giving free sex very quickly to attractive men, men rightfully stop investing in women.Financially investing in women early on to show that you're not just after sex seems logical. No it doesn't, it seems stupid. I'm not spending one goddam cent to get her attention because then I'm a sucker. I have neither sex nor the promise of a relationship. She doesn't get money for nothing and her drinks for free. Point two is that I don't blame women for taking advantage of male thirst, they gotta eat too, and that liberal arts degree don't pay worth shit. But she's not taking advantage o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/22 08:17 AM |
| 22 | Young single women are checking out of dating/society more than single men.I'm not sure they are checking out of dating, but they likely aren't meeting their dates in meatspace. They're looking online, which gets them out of the bother of having to deal with actual men in the real world. They're intensely interested in dating and finding a man, but they want to be in control of that. They don't want to be approached by random icky men, they want to screen and filter and whatever. Since I think that people who spend too much time online become, at some level, insane, I … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/22 11:05 AM |
| 1 | Heavy monetization on male's loneliness and "lack of success" is a big issue.Red Pill has followed the course of a lot of American mass movements, and I can't recall who said it first, but the three stages are that it starts as an idea, becomes a business, and ends as a racket. Red Pill hit the racket stage a long time ago. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/22 03:57 PM |
| 1 | Heavy monetization on male's loneliness and "lack of success" is a big issue.There's the porn industry, the prostitution industry, and the pickup industry. With the porn industry, you pay for porn and you get it. You're not getting actual pussy, but you get to look, for a price, and that price might include having your credit card number sold to East European cybercriminals or whatever. With the prostitution industry, you will probably get what you pay for, but only for a short time. You may also get robbed, beaten up, arrested, or a case of monkeypox. With the pickup in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/22 03:51 AM |
| 2 | Guys cannot claim they have low standards if they wont date overweight women.Maybe this is where guys go wrong in dating- thinking they have low standards when really they don't. Just realize if you want a slim partner you are competing with the top 50% of guys for that women. Especially if you are an average looking guy who's under 6ft, average face, average body its not going to be the easiest to get a slim partner because they are not in abundance. Well, alrighty then. I don't ever have to defend or justify my standards to anyone. And yes, I have noticed that women wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/22 10:17 PM |
| 2 | Why do red pilled men attempt to date seriously?They want sex, a relationship, and/or children. These things normally involve dating. Being Red Pilled, they know the truth of what they are up against. OP asks a valid question, but phrases it badly. Why do Red Pilled men, knowing what they know, nevertheless continue to date seriously? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/22 04:36 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Lack of Sexual/Relational Attraction Isn't Attributed to a Lack of Self-Improvement or Concurrent Value"I reject this notion and propose a much simpler one, one that does not devalue a person who has yet to succeed in this department: your lack of success with women can simply be attributed to luck, knowledge on flirting and seduction as a whole, and your ability to express your positive qualities in ways that do not invoke envy, indifference, or overt friendliness, in the right places to the right people. Anything else compares your value and lived experiences to a guy who's been smashing since … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/22 06:49 AM |
| -2 | There's two ways to get women to have more children, the carrot and the stick, which is a better plan?Is some kinda "stick" like policies necessary to avoid a population crash? Or is there some better way to do things that wouldn't be so harsh on women? Both carrot and stick are useless. Western Civ has passed the point of no return. In the hypothetical case that someone tries to save the unsavable, what is needed is mainly stick, and a lot of it. Reform of divorce laws to end no fault divorce, and make every effort to destroy the useless email/office cubicle and HR type jobs that women are inte… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/22 12:35 PM |
| 1 | Dudes should start approaching more average girls for better results.Heres a chart I made not based on science, just my own anecdotal experiences Remember that the plural of anecdote is not data. Average girls are not overlooked, but they all think they're above average, and they all think they deserve way above average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/22 12:28 PM |
| 2 | Traditional blue pill advice works for attractive people and most women, Redpill advice works for average and above average men, NOTHING works for men below averageOP is mostly right, although I suspect that most of the success stories on the Red Pill sub are fake. Some users have some amount of success, but that's hard to quantify. I'd say that red Pill can work for average to above average men, but "work" has to be carefully defined. If a man can get sex, RP might help him to get partners who are a bit more attractive, or maybe he gets sex a bit more often. That's a major success from his point of view. If a man flatly can't get sex without RP, then he p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/22 07:45 PM |
| 1 | What’s your dating advice to the guys on here who can’t get success with women?Get your shit together. Control for what you can control for. That's appearance, grooming, the care you take of yourself, and demeanor. Make yourself as attractive as you can, and then put yourself out there, and that means in meatspace, not on the dating apps. Understand that there are never any guarantees. Some men simply fail, and you may be one of those. Do things you can enjoy doing alone because you may have to. And this actually helps to improve your chance with women, because unhappy, de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/22 05:24 PM |
| 4 | Women are absolutely clueless as to how much more difficult dating is for menI'm going to flip the script here a bit Prospective employers simply don't understand how hard it is for people who have to go look for work. They have no understanding of the difficulties of job seeking, and they have it a lot easier than people who have jobs already. Furthermore, prospective employers have unrealistic standards, as they are interested only in hiring the selected best applicants. Questions for discussion: Why does it matter, really, whether or not women understand my situation?… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/22 09:06 AM |
| 3 | Is it true that women get their hearts broken by good-looking men in their youth and then settle down with nice average looking guys when they're done with the toxicity?They like the toxic and never really get over it. They may as a practical matter, marry a betabux, but they'll still cheat on him if the right kind of toxic comes along. In fact, they marry that nice guy with the intention of divorcing him, since divorce has become kind of a marker experience for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/22 05:17 PM |
| -1 | Women ‘initiate’ 70% of divorces because women do most of the households admin tasksWomen divorce because at some point they start looking for a status upgrade. There is no cost to filing for divorce other than a man she's tired of, and she may or may not have accurately appraised the risks. She may be kidding herself about desirability to alpha men at her age, but I think a very high percentage of American women expect at least one divorce as a sort of marker experience, just like they expect a big wedding. OP's post is a reminder of the old adage that denial ain't just a rive… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/22 11:57 PM |
| 0 | The average men does not want the average women (in the US)It's not hypocrisy. Female hypergamy is rooted in biology. Women in general are the way they are because they are biologically hard wired to be that way. Hypergamy is an evolutionary advantage to the continuance of the species. American women specifically are the way they are because they eat to damn much, what they eat is mostly crap, and they won't exercise. The slovenly dress and bad ink don't help either. Worst of all, the "Body Positivity" goblins have convinced them that they look OK. Aver… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/22 09:39 PM |
| 14 | Do you think in the next couple of decades MAINSTREAM discourse will be "don't encourage average/below average men to expect or seek sex, love and relationships"?This sort of thing goes through stages. "That's not happening, and it's a good thing it's happening" is usually where it starts. eventually it goes mainstream and is openly celebrated. OP has come up with an interesting speculation. I' going to say that yes, eventually mainstream discourse will come around to the idea that average men are wrong to seek sex, love, or relationships, since that's de facto what's being pushed now. It will be interesting to see what sort of justification is used. Eug… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/22 07:45 PM |
| 7 | Does the average guy really not get casual sex?No, he does not get casual sex. He doesn't win the lottery, either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/22 11:46 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Bluepillers use red pill talking points when talking to black pillers, and black pill talking points when talking to red pillersSo who's on first? I almost think there's a comedy routine lurking under this post somewhere. No one really cares what talking points blue pill uses to whom because to the extent that blue pill even exists, it's just denial of human reproductive biology and behavior. They're like creationists in that regard. They are interested in selective facts that might refute evolution, but have nothing science based to offer on the question of the origin and development of life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/22 06:04 AM |
| 2 | If we had absolutely perfect data on sex and relationships, what are the sorts of things we would discover about people?Everybody lies about sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/22 09:58 PM |
| 4 | Is creepy just code for unattractive/ugly?I'm tempted to do a Jeff Foxworthy and say "You might be creepy if..." and then give a list. Creepy can mean creepy, or it can mean unattractive, or it can mean lacks social proof, or not pre selected, or it can mean dude looks like he might have human body parts in his refrigerator. Women tend to use words to mean whatever they want them to mean, but yeah, she can find it creepy that a man she thinks unworthy of er would dare to speak to her, or approach her, or whatever. In Taxi Driver, Travis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/22 06:22 AM |
| 0 | At what age does it become weird to not have lost your virginity as a man?You need to punch this ticket probably not later than 20. After college it becomes a liability, and after 23 it becomes a serious stigma, and this remains true even if there are probably lots of guys who don't lose it by then. I do not claim this is reasonable or fair, but it's probably true anyway. You're not at red line, but you are at yellow crossing into orange. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/22 03:07 AM |
| 1 | Is being a woman in a first world country today "life on easy mode"?women are disproportionately more likely to go to college, get help in accomplishing that, etc. But on the other hand, some will argue that men have less of a need and/or desire to attend college due to having more available paths to decent earnings that don't require college. Most women who go to college learn no useful skills there. They don't go on to become, say, petroleum engineers or diesel mechanics, although a small number do. They study for clerical jobs of little value to society, or t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/22 09:26 PM |
| 1 | It’s a numbers game for men, but women don’t want to be treated like numbers?By the problem is, women don’t like this. It isn't that they don't like what the guy does. They don't like who he is, an unattractive man. For attractive men it isn't a numbers game. If they pursue more than one woman, then the women may not like it, but it doesn't matter as much because he's attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/22 02:26 AM |
| 7 | With male virginity rates near 30% in the USA for the 18-30 age range what impact will this have on societyThe Reddit Police removed my last post, and I'm not especially surprised. Two things, in a more restrained form. One is a sharp decline in male investment, and the other is an increase in uninvested men who eventually support a political movement that they think addresses their grievances. This country will change when you see a mass political movement that attracts and speaks to young men. I don't know what exact form that will take. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/22 01:19 AM |
| 2 | With male virginity rates near 30% in the USA for the 18-30 age range what impact will this have on societyTwo things will happen. One is a lack of male investment, which is the fuel on which civilization runs. The second, eventually, is the coming of the One, a leader who will give young men pride, pack, purpose, a common goal, and someone to blame. Uninvested young men are kindling, awaiting a spark that can become a destructive wildfire. When He appears, America will change, and not necessarily for the better. No, do not, at this point, cue up I Am The One You Warned Me Of by the Blue Oyster Cult.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/22 08:50 PM |
| 2 | The dating market place is changing simply because women don’t need men like we need women.Preposterous. women need men so that they can marry them, and so that they can divorce them. The vast majority of women expect marriage as a sort of marker experience. They might not expect it until well past the peak of their attractiveness, but they expect to eventually marry. And they also have in most cases, the expectation of at least one divorce, which will be his fault. Nearly all popular entertainment aimed at women contains some form of divorce porn. Women can, in theory, earn their own… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/22 08:31 PM |
| 1 | Is it fair to say that BOTH men and women hit an "Epiphany" stage in their 30s?People have an epiphany about every ten years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/22 12:14 AM |
| 13 | The word incel has become meaningless, and is used as a knee-jerk response any time a woman doesn’t like something a man saysIf you say you're an incel, then I believe you. If you call someone an incel, then it's usually meant as an insult. But how would you know? Unless the guy says "Hi, I'm, Bob and I'm an incel," then how exactly would you know about the guy's sex life? I'm not going to spend a lot of time analyzing how people use any particular insult, because I don't think that merits a lot of time. If Jane calls Bob an incel, then honestly, I don't care, and maybe even Bob doesn't. People come up with weird topi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/22 12:26 AM |
| 2 | Is it possible for a woman to be thin and below-average looking in today’s dating market like it’s possible for men?Because of 80/20, women's looks are never going to be judged as harshly as men's. To some extent, women in America have gone on a fat strike. They seem to feel that is all are fat, none are fat, and eventually, you can have fatties in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue because inclusive. They are entitled to be thought beautiful, because telling them they are fat is mean. And maybe there can be enough male thirst that the men will accept their fatness. But there will always be some number of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/22 09:01 AM |
| 2 | Too many men are scared of making women uncomfortable and that's what's causing their dating issues. Listening to dating advice from women is a huge factor in them thinking this way.You must approach to get success, and this means risking rejection. That said, an attractive man probably won't really rack up a large number of rejections. Mere average men run a much higher risk, and I'll point out that if you do manage to make her uncomfortable, well... OPs advice isn't bad but comes off sounding like the sort of thing they tell suckers who paid for the dating course from noted poon expert Crunch Hardtack who keep getting rejected because even after taking Crunch's course the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/22 01:36 PM |
| 0 | What is an average woman to you?Fat. Slovenly. There are other qualities, but those are the two that immediately come to mind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/22 11:46 PM |
| 2 | should overweight but financially successful men lower their dating standards?No one ever needs to lower their standards. We want what we want. OP doesn't need to lower his standards if he doesn't want to. He does need to understand that everything comes at a price. If she chose you because money then she chose you because money. Take what thou want and pay for it sayeth God. And anyone who says golddigger needs to understand that OP is proposing to put himself in exactly the same position as most men, namely being with a woman who won't find him attractive. Few men are e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/22 01:04 AM |
| 1 | Men would you trade getting more attention for increase risk of being sodomized, stalked, harassed and being sex trafficked for more attention and special treatment from women?Women are inherently high risk, but there has to be a payoff. Compliments and attention aren't really worth much. I'll risk anything and everything to possess her - if she's hot. I'll slay the dragon, lay siege to Troy, storm or defend the castle, or what have you. Would I risk being molested by some inbred backcountry guys who wandered in from the woods and thought I had a real purty mouth just to hear her say I have a nice sense of humor...Nah. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/22 12:45 PM |
| 1 | how confident are you with your body? does it affect your sex life?Incels exist, and given the prohibition on incel content, that's about as far as I'll go into that subject, except that I think they're outliers, and not typical of most guys. Some guys are insecure about their looks, and most of us have things about our looks that we aren't happy with. Some of those can be changed, and some of them we're stuck with. In general, I think guys are prone to overestimate their attractiveness, but general rules have exceptions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/22 03:26 AM |
| 1 | how confident are you with your body? does it affect your sex life?There are people waiting for the Moon landing to be debunked. They may be waiting for some time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/22 08:18 PM |
| -3 | how confident are you with your body? does it affect your sex life?I will stipulate that in general, humans are poor judges of their own attractiveness. Men are prone to think themselves more attractive than they are. Women often think themselves less attractive than they are. (Unless they are obese, in which they simply have no idea how repulsive they are.) In general, I feel pretty good about my body. I'm an older guy, in shape for my age, height to weight proportionate. I lost a bunch of weight a lot of years ago and got myself in much better shape, and that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/22 01:43 PM |
| 1 | Dating/Trying to get laid is totally a bad ROI for men.ROI is kind of a cold concept to use when discussing dating, but it works for some purposes. So... A good investment is one that pays off. In this case, a good return on an investment in dating is sex and/or a relationship. Attractive men can get that ROI, unattractive men cannot. If I were to compare it to stock investing, then a fellow with little capital to invest is unlikely to see much return, even if he chooses his investments wisely. Taxes and brokerage fees will eat into his modest retur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/22 08:00 AM |
| 5 | How will the increasingly large education between the sexes affect dating in the future?Women want a man better than themselves, and as a woman gets more formal education, her dating pool narrows. She wants a man with credentials equal to or better than her own, because credentials in the form of a college degree or better are required for entry into the managerial class that runs society. Thus she will not consider men with less formal education than herself as suitable partners, so men with less formal education see their dating pool narrow as well. Educating women with largely u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/22 11:24 AM |
| 1 | Are men really bad at over/underestimating a woman's interest?When you take the Red Pill dating course taught by noted poon expert Crunch Hardtack, he's going to tell you a lot about IOI, and how to tell if she's interested. But the problem is mostly hypothetical, because real guys don't get a lot of those in real life. Now if some woman does give you IOI, then Crunch will teach you how to recognize it, and escalate, and close, and overcome last minute resistance, and ride her like a rented pony. But mostly the problem doesn't come up. In real life, most g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/22 04:34 PM |
| 9 | Why are some people content with sexlessness?This is such a foreign state of being for me, that I wonder if there is more behind it than meets the eye. To quote from The Shawshank Redemption, "Get busy living or get busy dying". The cold hard fact is that not everyone makes it. You can say of these guys that all they need to do is lower their standards, or lift bruh and learn game, or whatever it is you're pushing. I don't know what percentage of guys who have serious dating problems manage to address them successfully. It's less than a hu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/22 03:11 AM |
| 1 | Q4W. How hard do you think it is for men to date in modern dating between 1-10? Why?Depends on the guy. If we rate guys on a scale from 1 to 10, with 10 being most attractive, then the difficulty is an inverse. Square Attractiveness of Guy 10 Difficulty 1 ^2 Attractiveness of Guy 9 Difficulty 2^2 Attractiveness of Guy 8 Difficulty 3^2 etc. Except that if A<6, where A is Attractiveness, the D is an inverse cube thus for A=5, then D=5^3 A=4, then D=6^3 etc. We can also express this as a function where D= [A-(10-A)]^2 for A>5 and D=[A-(10-A)]^3 for A <6 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/22 01:19 AM |
| 5 | The Red Pill does not take into account genetics and the environment you grew up in, but these are the most important and limiting factors to the results you will see from self-improvementRed Pill emphasizes controlling what you can control for. Some things you can't control for. More than that, dwelling on how life shit on you really isn't going to help. Control what you can control for, and you're stuck with the rest. Life is unfair. So yeah, you're short, you have receding hairline, your Daddy was a drunk, your Mama was a whore, now put the junk food down, lay off the goddam internet porn, enough with World Of Warcraft already, hit the gym and go out and meet some people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/22 08:22 PM |
| 2 | Being happy with yourself more important than shiny attributes when finding a partner?The study is obviously fake. The use of the word "shiny" to derogate attractive qualities by making them seem shallow would seem to be a strong indication of that. People tend to want partners, and in the absence of one will be at least dissatisfied with their lives, if not outright unhappy over the long term. And if they were "happy" before they had a partner, for any given definition of the term, then they likely had the attractive "shiny" qualities necessary to obtain one. Attractive people t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/22 07:22 PM |
| 1 | Sex is actually a key milestone in life that helps guys see girls as more than sexual objectsI think you're missing the point. Putting women on a pedestal is a mistake. In the end, they're just people. We all are. Idolize them and they'll have justified contempt for you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/22 06:22 PM |
| 6 | [Q4M] Have you never in your life met any girl who was sexually interested in you?OP needs to get in shape and I commend him for his efforts at doing so. I've literally seen lives ended early by obesity. I will caution OP that guys who are in shape don't necessarily get sexual attention from women. It's called 80-20 and you can find it discussed here a lot. Getting in shape may improve his chances, but there are never any guarantees. This is not meant to sound discouraging. , but rather to reassure OP that his poor batting average with women doesn't exactly make him unique. F… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/22 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Sex is actually a key milestone in life that helps guys see girls as more than sexual objectsOnce a guy gets sex he gets confirmation that women are humans too. I assure OP that there are plenty of guys who get all kinds of sex, and still don't see women as more than sex objects. That having been said... A guy's first time is sort of a marker experience, and if he doesn't have it by a certain age then there's likely to be a lot of adverse consequences. I don't think it provides him with confirmation that women are humans, but it does provide him with conformation that he's a man. OP is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/22 06:49 PM |
| 1 | Whats some legit benefit to a man for dating a woman that is 35+Sex. Companionship. News flash. People age. And so will OP. The real question is why would you not want to date her. Possible answers are 1.) You are looking to start a family 2.) There is something about her that makes her undatable. Being thirty-five doesn't automatically make someone undatable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/22 01:26 AM |
| 5 | Introversion as a character trait seems to make relationships difficult to find for men.You could have a chicken and egg argument about this and it would go on basically forever. Are these guys OP describes failing with women because they are socially (self) isolated or have they gotten lost in these distractions in part because they know they are unattractive and not likely to have a lot of success? One of the interesting things about our society is that people have no third place. I don't know who came with the concept, but the idea is that your third place is a place other than … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/22 09:06 PM |
| 2 | Are women of today showing greater preference for physically less masculine men ?The question assumes that the women of today have men on offer as physically masculine as their mothers and grandmothers had. This is highly dubious. Testosterone levels have been dropping in this country for a long time. The guy we hired at the plant is pretty much a noodle armed autistic little man child who would, my day, have been the butt of jokes. A few weeks back I went into an AT&T store to get a phone activated, and the boy who helped me was beyond the power of a comedy writer to invent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/22 11:44 PM |
| 2 | Do regularly unmated / unfathered men have any incentive in gathering surplus resources and sustaining their communities?The short answer to this is no. Absent a woman and children that are biologically theirs, no man has a reason to produce more than he needs for himself. People who talk about how their jobs are "fulfilling" obviously don't have very demanding jobs. They don't break their backs doing stoop labor farming with bronze age tools or risk their lives killing mastodons and shit. Guys will do more to support a family than they will do for themselves, period, end of story. if you just work because it's "f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/22 07:10 PM |
| 1 | The 80/20 doesn’t mean only 20% of men are having sex and relationships…it means 20% are having the interactions and relationships THEY WANT with womenBloops will spend from now until the heat death of the Universe trying to refute 80/20. It's like the revolution wrought by Copernicus and Galileo. It threatened the world view of the Church, and so anyone who espoused it was in danger of being burned as a heretic. * Bloops and the Reddit Police don't have the means to conduct a proper burning at the stake, but if they did... 80/20 states that women find 20% of men attractive. This is borne out by data collected from OLD and is not open to refut… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/22 09:09 PM |
| 1 | Men are not oppressed by women, they are oppressed by institutions.Men are not oppressed by women, they are oppressed by institutions. CMV Problem here is that these two are not mutually exclusive. Women, POC, LGBTQABCDWXYZ + have a great deal more power in those institution, that OP says are what actually oppress men. Those facts are not entirely unrelated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/22 05:16 AM |
| 1 | The only way to date as a modern male is to screen hardThis post probably belongs on the Red Pill sub along with the fake field reports and the injunctions to hold frame bruh. I suppose there could be some fortunate percentage of men who have a surfeit of women available for their consideration and must simply screen out the ones who don't get instant pussy drip just from being around them. The rest of us have a different set of problems. But for those international men of danger and mystery who face the problems OP describes, this is may be good an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/22 02:32 PM |
| 2 | Women are invariably drawn to men who are taken and become way more attracted to a guy upon discovering he is spoken for. Most men are completely turned off when they learn a woman has a boyfriend or is married, which shows women are far more shallow than men who base their attraction on looks.True, but not relevant. Being married is not the end of a woman's hotness, or her ability to attract other men. If it were, no married woman would ever find a willing taker when she decided to stray. OP's claim is that men are "turned off" when they discover that a woman has a boyfriend or is married. Again, if that were true, it would be exceedingly difficult for married women to find men with whom they could cheat. OP went down one of the true bottomless rat holes of this sub, which is arguing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/22 05:11 PM |
| 7 | Women are invariably drawn to men who are taken and become way more attracted to a guy upon discovering he is spoken for. Most men are completely turned off when they learn a woman has a boyfriend or is married, which shows women are far more shallow than men who base their attraction on looks.Women want what other women have, but the fact that a woman is married doesn't make her less attractive. To me, anyway. There might be prudential reasons for not getting involved with her, but a woman's hotness does not end when she puts on a ring. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/22 09:54 PM |
| 2 | If the 80/20 rule was magically reversed would men ever be encouraged to settle?If the tables where reversed would long term relationships even exist at all or would Men just continue to ride the “pussy carousel” forever? The likely result of men only being interested in the top 20% of women would be a lot of celibate men, since the women would have not much incentive to go along. Note that there would have to be rather a lot of changes in the nature of men AND women for this thought experiment to have any meaning. The answer is that if men and women were some way other tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/22 04:11 PM |
| 2 | What eventually happens to most of the single men on online dating?It is a documented fact that decent men dying of thirst in an open boat on the ocean will drink sea water. This is not because of the previously unnoticed decency of seawater. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/22 03:54 PM |
| 2 | What eventually happens to most of the single men on online dating?They find someone, or they do not. if they find someone, it probably wasn't online. You fish where the fish are, and with respect to dating, the fish are not online. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/22 03:50 PM |
| 19 | [Debate] At least for men, "just wait, it will happen bro" is terrible advice.There's an old saying that the answer is simple, but never easy. Dating problems rarely have easy solutions, even if the problem can be put down to simple causes. Unless you're in the business of giving advice, and you're being paid, it isn't a simple matter to tell someone to their face what's causing their dating problems, much less lay out a course of action. "Well, Bob, you're spergy, have weird hobbies, your arms look like broomsticks, and you dress for shit." It's easier to just try to be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/22 09:13 AM |
| 2 | the problems in modern dating between the genders are actually Darwinism in actionThink about what seems to be happening over the last 20 years (some would claim 50 years). Women seem to be much more selective than they ever have been before in terms of picking a mate. Now that women no longer require a man to provide food and shelter they can be more selective This is daft. Women want fathers for their children during the early years at least. (They may well divorce rape them later) Not every woman can afford to raise a child in her single income. It's rather expensive. OP's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/22 01:53 AM |
| 0 | What do you think about not dating and only visiting sex workers?Do you think this is healthy? That depends on what you mean by "healthy". I'd say that it's healthy, although you assume certain risks. (You assume certain risks in a relationship also, like divorce rape) It does not conform to the expectations of society. Is there something that a relationship provides that a sex worker cannot provide? There is much that relationship provides that a sex worker cannot. There is no guarantee that the relationship will provide them. You take risks dealing with s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/22 12:39 AM |
| 9 | Man finds out fiancé used to be more adventurous in bed. Refuses to explore sexually with him. How should he feel? Thoughts and discussion.Where do you go from here? If you're the guy, out the door. If she said yes to other guys, then she's not saying no to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/22 03:32 AM |
| 1 | Most dating problems can be solved by a looksmax or putting oneself out there more.One of the primal errors of this sub is some version of "if only they would do ____________ then their dating problems would be solved." Now, you can fill in that blank with whatever you like. "Lower their standards" "Put themselves out there more" "Looksmax" "Lift, bruh, and learn game" "Take the dating course taught by noted poon expert Crunch Hardtack" "Lay off the goddam porn and video games once in a while and maybe take a shower and change your underwear at least once in a fortnight." "Get… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/22 08:42 PM |
| 35 | The average young man is boring, easily manipulated, and desperate, and this is why they can't get a ladyAnd contemplating his utter averageness, she realizes that he is desperate, easily manipulated, and boring. It goes with being average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/22 01:04 AM |
| 139 | The average young man is boring, easily manipulated, and desperate, and this is why they can't get a ladyThe average young man is average, and therefore unattractive to most women, and this is the core of his problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/22 11:42 PM |
| 1 | (Q4M) How important is it to you that a partner shaves armpits, legs, etc.?She doesn't shave? Deal breaker. I understand that she's being expected to put significant effort into her appearance. But then, I put significant effort into mine. I'm not a slob, and I don't date them. There is no female "equivalent" to me. There is me, and there is her. We are not equivalent, and do not interchange. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/22 09:18 AM |
| 2 | Bitter men and bitter women tend to have the exact same gripes with each other. This shows that the problem isn't actually the collective actions of either gender, but individuals having bad experiences and lashing out because they feel powerless.I assume these bitter people are bitter over their relationship issues. I'm not sure why it matters to OP what they're bitter about. Whatever the reasons for their failures, the truth is that not everyone is going to make it. If they failed they failed for reasons. Maybe it was something they did, or failed to do. Maybe it was something they had no control over. (Genetic misfortune, or what have you) Things are tough all over. The dating market, like all markets, is the end result of a lot of co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/22 12:09 PM |
| 3 | female emancipation and subsequent promiscuity does not causes societal decline.f it did, Arabic countries would've been the most developed countries ( even when war torn countries are not accounted for, like Pakistan ). Instead it is the Nordic countries which are the most developed, where women have more freedom than any other part of the world. Total non sequitur. The emancipation of women, or lack thereof, is not the only difference between the Nordic and Arabic countries. A better comparison would be societies before and after the emancipation of women. On those terms,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/22 06:03 PM |
| 1 | We would save a lot of heartache and mental distress for men if we were simply honest about women to them when they were young boysThe problem isn't what we teach young men about women. The problem is that we fail to teach young men to be men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/22 01:58 PM |
| 3 | What is the most important thing a guy can improve that can vastly improve his notch count fast?Nothing. If there was something that could vastly improve a man's notch count without too much effort, everyone would be doing it. Notch counts can be improved, but it takes a significant effort if it can be done at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/22 12:15 AM |
| 5 | If a single guy is attractive and sociable, warm approaches are all he needs to get women.An attractive guy doesn't need to do a whole lot, really. So long as it is understood that male attractiveness is a relative thing, hence this statement really only applies to a small minority of men. An attractive guy that socializes and warm approaches have little to lose in his endeavors. Or then again maybe he has a lot to lose, in this age of retroactively withdrawn consent. Still, if he's relatively attractive, he probably won't rack up a huge number of rejections I'm not touching about at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/22 08:54 AM |
| 3 | “Lower you standard”, is the worst possible advice a person can get, when it comes to dating"Lower your standards" is good advice if the following conditions obtain: 1.) You are consistently hitting on women who are "out of your league" for any given definition of that term 2.) You are unwilling/unable to improve yourself in order to get access to the women you'd rather have. Lower your standards is poor advice in any other situation. For many men, regardless of their situation, there may be a floor under their standards below which they refuse to go. This is not cost, it's benefit. Th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/22 12:15 PM |
| 5 | How much can young people having less sex be attributed to porn?I honestly think this question is unanswerable. The dating scene has become a perfect shitstorm, and there are so many reasons behind it that it's hard to attribute a value to any one of them. At this point, you can, in good conscience, blame whatever you want to blame. If that's porn, then, well, it's porn. My answer would be that the two big drivers of sexlessness have been young women postponing marriage and hypergamy. Porn is more a symptom than a cause, but it can be a cause. A third big dr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/22 09:31 PM |
| 2 | What are the dating prospects for the bottom 20% of men?Although it's tempting to just give a one word answer like "bleak", I'll break it down a bit. 1.) Lower their standards, which in this case won't just mean scraping the bottom of the barrel, it will mean lifting up the barrel and digging down under it all the way to the fucking bedrock. The women they find there will be there for reasons. (Just as they themselves are in the bottom 20% for reasons) 2.) If option 1 is unacceptable, then the alternative is some combination of celibacy, escorts, and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/22 01:24 AM |
| 1 | What are the dating prospects for the bottom 20% of men?So what's the issue? The way I see it is a lack of fierceness and aggressiveness when it comes to taking control of their lives. You're assuming facts not in evidence. The bottom 20% could be there for any number of reasons, including genetic or medical misfortune, or clinical mental illness. Poor dating prospects are not evidence of moral failing. OP was asking what the prospects of the bottom 20% were, not asking for a course of action. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/22 01:13 AM |
| 1 | Women arent hypergamous, men are just hornier.These two propositions are not mutually exclusive | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/22 08:01 PM |
| 1 | Do overweight women struggle attracting men?Fat is getting to be the default setting in America. Fat women would struggle to attract men if most other women were slender and most men were themselves in shape and had better choices available. Fat reduces the attractiveness of both women and men, but SMV is relative and where all are fat none are fat. I would say that fat has to affect a woman's prospects since a man who takes care of himself and has standards will not consider her as a prospect. How common such men are in these degenerate … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/22 07:20 PM |
| 2 | You get who you can get. Not who you deserve or are entitled to. Who you can get IS your "smv"This is very inspirational if stated in a positive way. "If you can manage to get someone out of your league, then you're in the same league." Yes and no. Some truths are so simple that few people can grasp them. Relativity is an example, but let's ignore that one for now. If you never get rejected then you aren't dating up to your full potential. (Or maybe you're the King Hell Chad of All Chads, but this is unlikely.) The fact is that human beings in general are poor judges of their own attract… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/22 12:42 AM |
| 1 | If 90% of men died, and the 10% were average guys, would they be highly sought after?If 90% of men died, and the 10% were average guys, would they be highly sought after? 10% of them would be. In any hypothetical you come up with, human nature isn't going to change. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/22 05:30 PM |
| 5 | What is the difference between toxic masculinity and high value men?If women find the men attractive, they are high value. If not, their efforts at masculinity are toxic. Alpha qualities are always attractive, but to aspire to them and fall short is toxic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/22 05:06 PM |
| 0 | What solutions would you guys propose?That leaves social conditioning and education. There are no actionable solutions. Given female hypergamy, large numbers of men are simply going to lose. Period, of story. For men... You will not be saved dating courses You will not be saved by time at the gym You will not be saved by reading posts on the Red Pill sub You will not be saved by learning day game In fact, you will not be saved. Men must do what they can to live as well as possible, be prepared to go their own way, live alone when th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/22 04:34 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The only reason women claim that men only want to fuck them and not be in a relationship is because the bottom 80% of men that DO want a relationship are invisible to womenThirst. And they believe they will be the exception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/22 12:43 AM |
| 0 | CMV: The only reason women claim that men only want to fuck them and not be in a relationship is because the bottom 80% of men that DO want a relationship are invisible to womenDo they? And if they do, does the relationship end in divorce rape? Relationships have mostly become cost, not benefit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/22 08:46 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The only reason women claim that men only want to fuck them and not be in a relationship is because the bottom 80% of men that DO want a relationship are invisible to womenHowever, most men have been conditioned by our gynocentric society that "a good man" is one that commits to a woman and doesn't objectify her as a sexual object. They are not conditioned, since conditioning usually involves some amount of reward, and they get none. But they mouth what they think the women and/or society wants to hear. They virtue signal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/22 07:32 PM |
| 50 | CMV: The only reason women claim that men only want to fuck them and not be in a relationship is because the bottom 80% of men that DO want a relationship are invisible to womenDo not confuse lack of success with virtue. The 80% of men whom women find unattractive would fuck women if they could and might be no more inclined to relationships than AAAs. (Attractive Alpha Assholes) For the bottom 80%, their lack of attractiveness does not necessarily make them better men, although some of them may flatter themselves otherwise. The bottom 80% of men do not necessarily want relationships, but for them, relationships (Meaning usually marriage to a woman who spent her twentie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/22 07:04 PM |
| 3 | Men have no problem waiting for sex as long as other men had to alsoI don't give a rat's ass what other men do. I don't care if Bob waited a year, a week, or got sex on the first date. How long I will wait is how long I will wait. I don't care what other guys think of my investment, or lack thereof. It's not open to comparative judgements. The goal is to have sex and love in your life, not to win a competition over who got the best ROI. I won't wait very long. Two, maybe three dates. I'm not anyone celibate boyfriend. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/22 12:41 AM |
| 11 | The fact that women are so repulsed by dick pics or photos of naked men is proof that they are not anywhere near as horny as menWomen are as horny as men if not more so, but they aren't aroused by the same things. Dick pics from guys who, by definition are clueless and without social skills aren't likely to work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/22 06:41 PM |
| 1 | Why all men should be hitting the gym regardless of what some women “preferences” areFitness is its own reward. It may or may not improve your odds in the dating market, but it can't hurt, and it's something you have some degree of control over. Control for what you can control for. If there are women who prefer fat dudes, then more power to them and their fat dudes, but being a fat dude brings a set of problem of its own, so I am willing to forgo those women, heavy though that sacrifice is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/22 10:55 PM |
| 1 | Can somebody explain what they mean by the term looksmatchCan somebody explain what they mean by the term looksmatch The person they think you should be able to get. This person may in fact be more or less attractive than the person you can actually get. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/22 01:24 PM |
| 3 | Why would you expect women to be attracted to guys who do the easiest thing, live the path of least resistance?I don't expect her to be attracted to a man who doesn't make an effort. I don't expect him to make an effort if he does not believe there is a reasonable prospect of a reward. The fact of hypergamy affects his effort/reward assessment. No one is wrong here. I don't defend guys who don't try and I don't blame women who refuse to have them. I don't blame men who decide that their efforts aren't likely ever to be rewarded. They may or may not be right, they may or may not have reasonable standards … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/22 08:36 PM |
| 5 | Men are better off not watching and avoiding porn altogether.It's a CMV but I'm not going to make some great defense of porn. Having said that, RP guys need to understand that they can't have it both ways. You can't go on about 80/20 and how women don't find most men attractive and then say that all men should go out and get attractive. I'm sure most guys would, given the choice, prefer to "be the guy she's fucking by hitting the gym, increasing your looks and becoming a more confident man" But sometimes the human condition sucks, and not everyone is goin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/22 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Men who care the most about women's sexual habits don't really care about women. They just use women as a scoreboard for their competition with other men.I'm not in the habit of making these kinds of statements, but this is daft. A man can care about women without wanting to get involved with one who engages in foolish or self destructive behavior. A woman with an extensive history of empty hookups may have issues that rule her out as a long term partner. I don't expect her to be a virgin, but I do expect her understand that actions, including sexual liaisons, have consequences. I don't have some magic number of n count beyond which she becomes b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/22 04:18 PM |
| 2 | Something I’ve noticed with the women here in terms of TRPI'm not sure I've decoded this wall of text correctly, but I think the answer is that women don't break up with attractive men, regardless of their "pill". If a man understands the actual workings of female sexuality, they'll date him anyway, as long as he's attractive. If the guy starts talking about a lot of RP stuff that she doesn't understand then she might drop him on the grounds that he's a possible weirdo. In general women like attractive, successful, socially savvy men. Men who have thes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/22 10:29 AM |
| 5 | Why are both players & Incels so vilified?Players are vilified by men because they get more than the me, making them more successful. They are vilified by women who fail to snag them. Incels are vilified by men because they get nothing, making them less successful than the men and therefore failures They are vilified by women because no woman wants them, meaning no other woman wants them, meaning they are absolutely unwanted, and thus failures. Incels and Players both operate at a vastly different level of success than the rest of us. T… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/22 03:52 PM |
| 3 | Romance/erotica novels are no better than pornographyIf I like it, then it's erotica. If someone else likes it and I don't, then it's PORN | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/22 03:43 PM |
| 1 | Settling is one of the worst things you can do, next to cheatingYou settled for them, and they settled for you. No one is perfect. But you can be good enough, and you can improve. you don't respect your partner if you see them as inferior Probably true, but if your standards are unrealistic, then you won't respect any partner, ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/22 01:53 AM |
| 1 | What Would Society Be Like If Everyone Were Aromantic/Asexual?What Would Society Be Like If Everyone Were Aromantic/Asexual? Nonexistent. Sex, and desire for it, makes possible biological reproduction and gives men, who do the hard work, fighting, and creating, a reason to invest in society's continued existence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/22 03:55 PM |
| 5 | Q4Men: can you succinctly describe PUA, TRP, black pill, and MGTOW and how they differ?You conjugate them, like verbs PUA - I have gotten sex TRP - I shall get sex Black Pill - I cannot sex. I could not have gotten sex I shall not get sex. MGTOW - I could get sex. Really, I could | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/22 06:17 PM |
| 2 | How does TRP explain the outliers, the oddballs, the people who can’t be pigeonholed?I really feel that outliers are a bit more common than people here assume, but the way they tend to be viewed is from the vein of them being broken or wrong in some way. OP has just written the story of a lot of bad science. It isn't just Red Pill. From the Aristotelian physics down to the present day, people try to stuff the outliers, the cases that don't quite fit, into the existing model. There was some ancient Greek who tried to solve the question of the volume of different solids with the s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/22 07:17 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Guys being rejected/dismissed for not having a social media presence is a BS, hypocritical thing for women to judge men onBecause most people today have social media a person who doesn't stands out, and the women wonder if he's real and what he's hiding, if anything. It's not really an obstacle in dating, anymore than personal grooming. You need a social media presence in order to look good, so go get one. It's no trouble to do up a Faceborg page and post a few meaningless pictures. You need to look normal. If 90% of guys put on clown noses and you don't, then she wonders why you don't have a clown nose, and she wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/22 04:43 PM |
| 2 | Why is there so much conversation about the amount of effort( or lack there of) that men put in when it comes to dating?How can one be the selector, and the pursued, and yet still be upset with the level in which they are pursued by whom they selected? women are the way that they are because they are biologically hard wired to be that way, because they have been bred to be that way through millions of years of accumulated mating choices. Thus 80/20. Women only find a small number of men attractive, and if the reason the guy was unattractive wasn't the effort he put in it would be something else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/22 02:10 PM |
| 2 | Would you rather date a woman who has a very successful OF but virgin or a woman who's had many partners?So do you know where that banana has been? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/22 01:35 AM |
| 3 | Would you rather date a woman who has a very successful OF but virgin or a woman who's had many partners?The chick with the bananas has got issues. If I must choose, then given a choice between batshit crazy and slut, I'll pick slut any day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/22 01:34 AM |
| 7 | The biggest dating hurdle for men is accessibility, the biggest dating hurdle for women is safety.The biggest hurdles are the things you don't see. Men see the accessibility problem, and women see the safety problem, and they think these are the biggest hurdles because they can see them. Both are wrong. The biggest hurdle for men is attractiveness. And I don't just mean physical. Yes, you need to take care of yourself, and yes, it helps a hell of a lot if you win the genetic lottery. but you also need to work on your career, your education, your earning power your social skills. You have to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/22 11:38 PM |
| 3 | Discussion/question for TRP's about sexercise and women with high countsThe general view, whether they explain it this way or not, is that the more men she's been with, the less any individual man is going to mean to her. Also, the guys fear suffering by comparison. My default assumption is that we both have a prior sexual history. Unless she's got a kid or an ex husband somewhere, or a jealous murderous husband or boyfriend that she sort of forgot to mention, then it's not of immediate importance, and if I like her enough to want her around long term, then we can c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/22 01:03 PM |
| 1 | Do most men actually want to be with a traditional woman?That wasn't the question that was posed. Men will marry a "traditional" woman if one is available, but they are not in abundant supply. Whether traditional women get cheated on, or if they are cheated on at a greater or lesser rate than their nontraditional sisters is irrelevant to OP's question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/22 11:57 PM |
| 1 | Do most men actually want to be with a traditional woman?OP's question is akin to speculating about Schrodinger's Cat or the paradox of the twins or relativistic velocity. There is no practical way of performing the experiment. In theory, the cat is both dead and alive. In theory, the twins should age at different rates due to time dilation. What we know of men suggests that given a "traditional" woman, the men will settle down, but there are not enough of such women available to perform the experiment in statistically meaningful numbers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/22 11:56 AM |
| 3 | How Come PUA's Are Getting So Much Flack Now Whereas Earlier They Were Ok?Possible explanations: 1.) We live in an age of increasing censorship, and PUA's are politically incorrect. Anyone purporting to teach real men how to attract and seduce real women is likely to be regarded by the high sheriffs of the internet in the same way they would regard someone questioning the legitimacy of the 2020 election, or the effectiveness of the vaccine 2.) It is dawning on people that most of the success stories you see on places like the Red Pill sub are fake. Some number of user… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/22 06:04 AM |
| 2 | For those into BDSM yet you are here, what’s your story?Out of morbid curiosity, is there a reason why being into BDSM would disqualify a person from being here? because that seems to be the meaning of the question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/22 05:54 AM |
| 1 | Can The Era of Men ever truly die?Read The Gods Of the Copybook Headings by Kipling. It's a history of the world in nine stanzas, and you can find it online, I'm sure. The need for hard men (Physically, mentally, and morally, and yes, in THAT way) never goes away. But decadent societies produce weak men, and the demand for strong men now exceeds the available supply by a wide margin. Strong men are like oxygen. You don't notice it as long as it's there but take it away and it's all you'll think about for the time you have remain… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/22 05:58 AM |
| 2 | What is the outlook for western culture if too many women “never settle”?At this point, I suspect Western Civ is well past its sell date, whether women start having families or not. Women who wait too long to settle, for any given definition of too long, will find themselves asking where the good men have gone, to which the answer will be "Honey, they're married to women who when they asked them out said yes" Single Mom's will suffer in single Mom purgatory. No self respecting man will have them, but not all men have self respect and some of the ones who don't are th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/22 05:50 AM |
| 1 | Men should publicly shame and shun simps to gain back power in the dating worldI propose that men actively and vigorously shame and shun all forms of simping that they come across, especially on social media. Preposterous. Simps have no shame | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/22 05:41 AM |
| 1 | Do we really want redpill to go mainstream?At first, redpill tactics to seduce women were remarkable and enabled an average looking man who knew the importance of specific traits that women are attracted to to be more attractive than a gorgeous man who didn’t I doubt that this is true. Most Red Pill "field reports" are fake. Red Pill provides an accurate description of the mating behaviors of the human female. It doesn't necessarily provide average men with actionable advice, and so probably can never go "Mainstream" for any given defini… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/22 08:19 PM |
| 1 | Getting into a relationship with a woman who is slim and college educated is hard, period.Leaving aside the question of what OPs looksmatch is, slim women are a rare commodity these days. I just don't see that many of them. I had a moment of dislocation once when I was in a supermarket and realized that I was the only male in the store, and that every woman there was obese. And no, I do not claim that the men are attractive either. We live in an age of unrelieved ugliness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/22 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Hinge experiment analysis. Are men on dating apps really as bad as what women describe?The men are not the massively built biker ex Navy SEAL billionaire on the cover of the romance novel. Yeah, they're that bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/22 10:57 PM |
| 2 | My take on the "average man"The problem here is the betafication of the AFC. The AFC takes what he can get. The interest he sparks in women is entirely arbitrary, the number of women and frequency of women he sparks interest and has sexual chemistry with is very arbitrary and most importantly he has 0 abundance mentality Red Pill made an immensely valuable contribution to Western Civ by explaining to (Or maybe just reminding) men about the mating behavior of women in the really real world. And then it all came to this. Mos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/22 08:02 PM |
| 3 | Will marriage die out entirely once Woman start to out earn men?The answer is no, because women still want that big wedding and to be queen for a day. It's a marker experience for them. They also want that first divorce, which they will explain to their soon to be ex hubby is his fault. That's a marker experience for them too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/22 12:49 PM |
| 0 | "Body Positivity" has everything to do with sexual attractivenessNo matter how big a stick fatties swing on social media, they're still fatties. This is not like censoring news stories or what have you. You can't use social media to make guys find fatties attractive. Social media is credited with powers that it just doesn't have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/22 09:19 PM |
| 1 | Men should stop spending so much time online if they don't want to be lonelyUnderstood, but social media didn't happen in a vacuum, and people aren't going to turn it off except to get something they'd rather have. You stop playing Fallout and you're not suddenly dating for reasons other than looks. More likely you aren't dating at all. We don't need to get out the sharpened screwdrivers over this. It would be better, perhaps if men playong Fallout would instead choose to go out and date for reasons other than looks. But operationally, this is not useful advice, because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/22 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Men should stop spending so much time online if they don't want to be lonelywell, I imagine that a guy who can get laid will, given a choice between getting laid and playing Fallout, get laid. A guy who can't get laid has to do something else. maybe he plays Fallout. This is really an underpants gnome solution. After the guys stop playing Fallout they do...what? In In a society devastated by some combination of dating apps, hypergamy, poor socialization of young males and pandemic horseshit turning off Fallout (Or stealing underpants) may be a good first step, and step … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/22 01:29 AM |
| 1 | What do you guys think about the closing of asktrp?I keep expecting TRP itself to be shut down, and they've made some alternate arrangements I think, so I suppose they expect it too. I belong to a sub called Ask An American About Their Country and any thread that shows any significant number of comments about the Biden Administration is going to get locked pretty quickly. Censorship has come to Reddit in a big way. There was a thread on here about the trans issue that got locked, and I'm sure someone questioned an approved narrative. Reddit is g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/22 03:16 AM |
| 1 | As a man, is rejection just frustrating OR a bit deeper than that, more existential, when the subject of your love and adoration chooses another man over youThere may be men who are fortunate enough never to know rejection, but there can't be many. It's not an existential crisis if a girl says no as long as some other girl, somewhere, eventually says yes. It is likely that someone eventually will say yes unless he becomes discouraged, is seriously lacking in social skills, or is seriously unattractive for reasons that are outside his control. (Serious disfigurement, clinical mental illness, etc) If one of these conditions obtains, then it is somethi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/22 02:18 PM |
| 1 | There are only 3 ways to really succeed in the dating world as a guy: Extreme risk, hard work, or luckNapoleon was asked what kind of Generals he preferred. His answer was "lucky". If you ask women what sort of man they prefer...I suspect you might get a similar answer. Give her a man who drew a winning lottery ticket. The other two can help. Sometimes. But it's best to be lucky | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/22 12:55 PM |
| 1 | Triggered by a confident woman.Understood. My comment was about value in general in all markets. It's never what you say it is, it's always what someone else says it is. And you can have the last word, because I have said everything I wanted to say. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/22 10:20 PM |
| 1 | Triggered by a confident woman.Well, your value in the relationship market is the same. At the end of the day, value in all markets is whatever you can actually get for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/22 08:06 PM |
| 1 | Triggered by a confident woman.I don’t feel compelled to fake humility in areas where I am confident. I agree that OP should not fake humility in areas where she feels confident and doubt seriously that she even could. I would point out however that confidence can be misplaced. Whether hers is justified is a matter open to discussion. The value of a thing is what that thing will bring. Value in the dating market is determined by who you can pull. It is not set by commissars of the dating market working to some five year plan.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/22 06:57 PM |
| 2 | FDS couldn't exist in a healthy dating marketEntitled and stupid can exist anywhere, anytime. Against entitled women the gods themselves contend in vain | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/22 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Where have all the good men gone?Answer: Honey, they're married to men who, when they asked them out, said yes | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/22 07:20 PM |
| 3 | Study on Sexually and Romantically Unsuccessful Men “Linked to Local Mating Ecology”Back in the days, doctors used to bleed people with leeches a lot as a means of treating disease. It might have been the only thing the doctors could come up with, but that didn't make it an effective solution. Censorship isn't a solution to the problem of poorly socialized uninvested men, it's leeches. I think there was a gag like this on a TV show called "Yes Minister". There's a line where a character explains "We must do something. This is something, so we must do it." Fucking around with so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/22 05:27 PM |
| 20 | Study on Sexually and Romantically Unsuccessful Men “Linked to Local Mating Ecology”So let me get this straight. You've got a shit ton of guys with poor mating prospects due to mating competition among men is likely to be high because of male-biased sex ratios, few single women, high income inequality, and small gender gaps in income And your solution is to censor their social media. Now that's a plan. And note that the content of the guy's tweets is more important to these shitweasels than the actual condition of the guys. They don't care if the lives of these men are poor, so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/22 08:40 AM |
| 2 | Those Who Complain About OnlyFan/Instathots... What Would You Actually Like Them To Do Instead?They should learn to code. Seriously, I don't give a rat's ass what they do. I'm not paying for their pictures, or their farts, or whatever. They aren't may problem, and neither are their career prospects | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/22 09:53 PM |
| 2 | in order to form a healthy, long term relationship, you have to put "all your eggs into one basket".I've heard some men say they have sex with OTHER WOMEN if their date isn't letting them "smash" in the meantime. That's so... Broken. Immature and childish. No. It isn't. If she isn't letting him "smash", then what's in it for him? I'm not committing to someone if I'm not getting anything out of it. And I'm not interested in committing to one person unless there's a damn good reason. If you want a healthy, long term relationship, then she has to commit to you. It's a two way street. And if she i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/22 01:06 PM |
| 1 | Pick one: dateless or jobless. Which situation is worse to you?Dating takes money, which requires an income. If I'm jobless, I'm likely dateless, unless the women pay. While I am in fact rugged, tall, well built, and carry about me an air of amused mastery, I might not quite be able to make it as a gigolo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/22 08:10 PM |
| 1 | Opinions on Men’s and Women’s Only SpacesSuch spaces will always exist, they just can't be labeled as such. The right of free association was a casualty of the civil rights movement, but there's nothing stopping you from having poker night with the guys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/22 12:54 PM |
| 4 | Society has failed (Men).Society should be held accountable for all the lies Do you have an actionable plan for doing this? perhaps we could genetically engineer a virus that would make all women beautiful and selectively kill all tall men. (which was the villain's plot in Casino Royale, David Niven / Peter Sellers version. I myself have nearly completed my secret lair underneath a volcano on a tropical island and will soon start kidnaping beautiful women and brainwashing them into my robot love slaves using my neuronic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/22 09:44 PM |
| 2 | Prostitution Is A Good Start For Correcting The Dating MarketThere's no "correcting" a market. if the market isn't correct, it's probably because of some kind of state imposed perverse incentives. There is the prostitution market, and there is the dating market. learn the difference, as one has nothing to do with the other. The perverse incentives in the dating market are partly the result of state policy (No fault divorce that allows women to divorcé rape men.) But mostly it's a function of other things, especially dating apps. An analysis of the pervers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/22 09:38 PM |
| 1 | Men are not intimidated by intelligent women, this is simply not where our priorities areIt depends on how much time we're spending around each other when we aren't having sex. I don't like being around stupid people. If she's just a lay, then it doesn't matter how intelligent she is. If we're spending serious time together, if I'm looking at her as a potential partner, someone who's going to be the most important person in my life, then she needs to have something between her ears. If she's going to be the mother of my children, then frankly I don't want stupid kids, and I don't wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/22 08:38 AM |
| 1 | Will Destigmatized Online Dating Fix the 'Marketplace'?Nothing will ever destigmatize a man approaching a woman with any degree of sexual intent if she does not find him attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/22 02:11 AM |
| 5 | If an average man asks 100 women out on a date, how many of those women would say "yes" (and mean it)?Thank you for posting this. It's like...the human condition, or something | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/22 01:58 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: Would you rather have “closure” or be ghosted by a date?There is no such thing as closure, there is only an ending. No point in dragging it out. If she comes offering closure I will tell her to disappear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/22 08:49 PM |
| 11 | "both women and men struggle in dating" isnt an argument, men have to work harder or be luckierThis would be more persuasive if it involved mean setting realistic goals. men do need to improve themselves and make an effort. They will benefit by doing so. They have more avenues open to them to improve their SMV than women do. So far so good. But then we get this: He could become a musician, a surfer, a chess master, a martial arts guru, a business owner, etc. A woman doing any of these things won't help her much, but can be a game changer for a man He could learn chess, but few chess pla… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/22 09:29 PM |
| 0 | Only Date Women Who Worship YouIn the event she doesn't worship, you then you should of course use your Red Pill Fu to project an appearance of high value and alpha chad dominance to bring her to a worshipful state, after which you fuck her into total submission. Then get on your Tarn and fly off to make your next conquest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/22 07:49 PM |
| 5 | The discourse surrounding incels is extremely overblown and hilarious.There's a couple of high profile mass shooters who are said to have been motivated by a lack of success with women. That's likely true with George Sodini. I doubt it was true of Eliot Rodger, but that is neither here nor there. I always have suspected that incel=mass shooter waiting to happen was basically a grift. If you could convince people that there was a problem with incel mass shooters you could get government grants and shit to study it, and maybe the FBI or someone could find a way to g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/22 10:24 PM |
| 2 | How do most people just not have to self improve to not get a date?Most people don’t have to improve. They don’t take time to work on themselves. They just exist and they find partners and hook up and experience human relationships normal, but I’m given the advice that I need to improve. Wrong. Most people need to work on themselves, but most people don't pay the hucksters. They don't sign up for the dating course taught by noted gigachad Crunch Hardtack. Good thing, too. Go look up the current Jack Murphy scandal. Some of these people are weirdos. Am I a low… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/22 07:03 PM |
| 2 | Most women in the West are undateableLet me explain how it really is. It's like the movie This Is Spinal Tap. When asked about the band's declining record sales, their manager explains that "Their appeal is becoming more selective." So OP has it all wrong. Western women are not at all undatable, it's just that their appeal is becoming more selective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/22 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Is sex a need?It's not a global need I'm not sure what that means. I'm not fluent in the jargon of the social "sciences". I call it a need because of the amount of time and effort people expend on getting it. Unless the people are insane, they are certainly acting like it's something they need. And they may not need it to remain biologically alive, but they seem to need it to live well as they understand the term. You don't need touch either, but they've done experiments on what happens to monkeys isolated an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/22 01:22 AM |
| 1 | Is sex a need?There's a poem worth quoting here. A Man Said to the Universe BY STEPHEN CRANE A man said to the universe: “Sir, I exist!” “However,” replied the universe, “The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation.” People have this idea that if something is a "Need" then others are somehow under a moral obligation to supply it. They are not. I say that whether or not sex is a "need" for any given definition of need, that does not place the government, or society, or any given woman under the obliga… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/21 07:37 PM |
| 1 | What is your opinion on this recent study claiming that unpartnered adults fare worse than their partnered peers?People accept the correlation but don't always want to accept the cause. Being a single guy is cheaper than being a married man. If a man values his marriage, it stands to logical reason that he's going to put effort into maintaining it, and that effort is going to include making money to support (Or help support) the household. Correlation doesn't equal cause, but incentives do have an effect on human behavior. A man with a partner has an incentive to strive to earn more. Personally, I'm not su… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/21 02:47 AM |
| 1 | SMV “talks” on here are very telling of how little pre-American human history is known/discussed on here and that’s a problem if people want to have serious discussion on ages men and women have peak SMV.He killed a lot of people. I'm sure it ran to eight figures. That said, I tend to take numbers from that long ago with a couple of boxes of Morton's, especially when dealing with someone who basically left behind a legend. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/21 01:53 AM |
| 2 | SMV “talks” on here are very telling of how little pre-American human history is known/discussed on here and that’s a problem if people want to have serious discussion on ages men and women have peak SMV.Well, it really depends on your definition of "Great". I'll leave that open for anyone who wants to take a stab at it. Alexander's empire actually came apart a lor\t sooner than Ghengis Khan's (Alexander was a serious drunk, for one thing) and then there's the "Pre-Victorian) thing implying that there was an empire "Greater" than Rome that came in Victorian times. I suppose he means the British Empire. Rome outlasted that one by a wide margin, and arguably left more of a legacy. Not sure what yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/21 09:55 PM |
| 3 | SMV “talks” on here are very telling of how little pre-American human history is known/discussed on here and that’s a problem if people want to have serious discussion on ages men and women have peak SMV.Rome is widely considered the greatest empire pre-Victorian era, Even this is wrong. Ghengis Khan conquered an area that dwarfed the piddlyass little empire known as Rome, but he was non-Western and non-White, so I guess not many people know this. Alexander probably conquered more territory than Rome, and maybe some Chinese dynasties did too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/21 07:32 PM |
| 2 | Why do I want to improve myself?It doesn't sound like you particularly do want to improve yourself, and you are under no obligation to do so. If you are not interested in dating at the moment, then that is your affair. You are under no obligation to date at the moment. Or ever, for that matter. Just remember that when, or if, you decide that you are finally interested in dating, that the women are no obligation to be interested in dating you. And the women may conclude that if a fellow sees no reason to improve himself, then t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/21 07:05 AM |
| 1 | Is the dating game easier in a small town or big city?Lots more women in big cities, therefore more chances. Socializing may be easier in big cities. (Bars in small towns may be nonexistent or not conducive to meeting women) Women in big cities may be much more attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/21 04:58 AM |
| 3 | What happens to men who struggle in dating?Do they keep trying until they get lucky? Sometimes Do they eventually just ‘get it?’ This assumes that they didn't "get it" before. You can "get it" for any given definition of that term, and still be considered unattractive, and still struggle. If by "Get it" you mean improve their dating skills, then some of them do.. Maybe they figure it out, maybe they take that dating course taught by noted dating expert Crunch Hardtack. Maybe it helps. Maybe it doesn't. Does some woman settle for them? Ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/21 01:19 AM |
| 4 | Do you think red pill is a threat to OF creators?With OF you get what you pay for, however pathetic that is. With Red Pill, you don't necessarily get any closer to a real relationship than you would paying for OF, although you will get someone to blame for it. In the end, neither may be all that good of a deal. With that money you spent on the dating course taught by noted poon expert Crunch Hardtack, you could have bought the Golden Sucker level of some thot's OF. Neither is a threat to the other, and both can leave a fellow feeling cheated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 10:08 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: Would you ever adopt FDS tactics?No. I don't drink bleach to ward off Covid either | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 01:51 AM |
| 1 | The biggest turn on for adult women is a guy that has plenty of things going in in his life.It's things that are signaling women that you're independent and that you're really in control of your life. Nothing signals that you are independent and in control of your life like money and a six pack | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/21 06:13 PM |
| 2 | My argument against the Virgin's Handbook (from r/SavingSexForMarriage)Saving it for marriage probably has to assume early marriage. I don't think one should plan around a decade or more of celibacy or no romantic interest because you might end up with a generation of sexless and uninvested men. Wait a minute... My answer to any woman saving it for marriage is not just no but hell no, because at that point I'm a sucker. I have neither sex nor a promise of marriage. So if she's saving it for marriage then it's an immediate hard next. I won't argue or discuss the iss… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/21 03:45 PM |
| 6 | Q4M: How would you alter this dating advice for women?This is the Schlieffen Plan of dating advice. It looked good on paper when Schlieffen thought it up. In practice, when the flag flew, it proved impossible to execute. I believe it was Moltke the Elder who said that plans never survive contact with the enemy. Most of the dating advice that women get doesn't survive contact with the actual men they seek to date. The problem with this plan is that it wastes time. It assumes that the woman can postpone the most important decision she is ever going t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/21 04:21 PM |
| 2 | What are your standards in a partner?Fat, single Mom, stupid, and drug problem are all deal breakers. But in general, defining a partner is bit like that Supreme Court justice defining porn. I know her when I see her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/21 09:55 PM |
| 1 | TRP or FDS: Which side deals in absolutes more often and has the most bitter followers?Plus and minus infinity are equal in absolute value. I'd say the main difference is that TRP guys are TRP guys because they have become disillusioned, and thus may be in a stage of bitterness or anger. Women who are FDS are on the way to becoming disillusioned because they believe this horseshit, and thus are on the way to becoming bitter and angry if they aren't already. Thus if we draw a cartesian graph of spacetime, where the x axis is space and the y axis is time, FDS and TRP may have about … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/21 05:10 PM |
| 1 | The ultimate freedom for a man is to free himself of the notions of being a "loser" or "winner"What I am saying boils down to: Value only exists in our heads. Superiority or inferiority doesn't exist. Admiration by others is empty and overall participating in society has become optional (in some countries, not all). If you are happy smoking weed and playing video games, if you truly have let loose of all value terms placed on you by society, can't you be happy? Self-improvement in itself is a vanity project that only serves to alleviate the burden we place on ourselves. This all sounds a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/21 06:38 AM |
| 3 | What is your opinion on men that read books or watch videos to get better with women?Leaving aside the question of whether the advice they are getting is worth their time and money, there's certainly nothing wrong with them seeking it. I would think more highly of a man who actively seeks to improve his odds than a man who does nothing. Now there's a lot of crap advice out there and that dating course by noted poon expert Crunch Hardtack may be a load of horse puckey. I wouldn't advertise that I was doing it. If Crunch gives bad advice, I'd rather have her thinking that I'm an i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/21 05:23 AM |
| 1 | Would you be ok with a masculine physique women that is feminine?Women can have muscle, and it can be very attractive under a normal amount of body fat and if it was achieved without modern chemistry. Athletic women can be among the world's most beautiful. Bodybuilding, however, is at its core a fanatical sport. The women in those pictures are grotesque. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/21 03:40 PM |
| 2 | Everyone talks about what makes a man low value, but what exactly makes a woman low value?Single mom and fat come to mind | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/21 03:33 PM |
| 1 | How do you feel about men who “upgrade” to better girlfriends once they become successful and leave the old one?Girlfriend is not a promise of lifetime commitment. He can upgrade, and women do it all the time. Even if she's married, then sometime after thirty she starts thinking about a status upgrade, and she'll divorce him to do it, if the right upgrade comes along. This assumes that the girl is an actual upgrade. If he trades in his girlfriend who would have made a good wife for a hotter model who's a golddigger, then it becomes a betrayal that carries its own punishment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/21 03:31 PM |
| 1 | Isn't a bigger insult if someone who previously rejected you, still doesn't want you now that they're settling down? Compared to them settling for you?I'm not insulted by either. After they reject me, what they do ceases to be my problem. I do not live my life consumed by revenge fantasies. No one who has ever rejected me has come crawling back begging me to reconsider. If she did, I would consider her offer on its merits. I wouldn't be insulted, but I might not be interested either. The hypothetical here assumes that the woman who rejected me is the only woman I might ever have had and that I was crying myself to sleep and shit after the reje… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/21 03:32 PM |
| 1 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?Everybody has to try. They don't always have to make the same effort at the same things. She can get attention without much effort and she can sex without effort. If she wants the commitment of a man she actually wants, then she'll have to make an effort. Life is that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/21 02:16 PM |
| 1 | Gender professor claims men can never truly "Like" woman. Do you Agree?Gender professors have been known to claim that men in skirts and heels are women. One of the requirements of the job is that you actually have to be insane. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/21 01:01 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Unsuccessful young men should go where they are treated bestPacking up and moving to another country where one doesn't even speak the language is a serious undertaking. There are serious reasons why Bob might consider packing up and moving to Lower Slobbovia or wherever, but there could end up being some major downsides. Lower Slobbovia has ancient quarrels with Vulgaria that could erupt into war, refugees from Central Booga Booga are already flooding into the country because of human trafficking bringing with them crime and squalor, and the Slobbovian g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/21 09:56 AM |
| 2 | When you get to your late 20s, early 30s as a male virgin, you’ll probably stay that way your whole life (especially if it’s not by choice).I'm always a bit suspicious of percentages in this kind of study because it assumes that people mostly tell the truth about sex, and that may be assuming too much. I'm not saying that the numbers OP throws around are wrong, but neither would I take them on faith. But in general, OP is right, even if some of the percentages are dodgy. The way I'd put it, if a man doesn't start having sex when he's supposed to, for any given definition of supposed to his chances of ever having sex start asymptotic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/21 10:42 AM |
| 4 | Will advancement and egalitarianism of society lead to a collapse in such societies?Equality is a myth. No such thing exists in nature. The belief in it will be the death of us. Western societies are no longer reproducing themselves biologically, and they are being slowly assimilated by the hordes of immigrants they take in. It is only a matter of time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/21 05:08 PM |
| -2 | 41% of women would go on a date with someone who voted for the opposing candidate, compared to 67% of men. Why do you think this is? How will this affect relationships when a majority of men are republicans and a majority of women are democrats?The men are telling the truth. I had a conversation with my nephew, who is a gym rat, and in far better shape than I was at his age. He runs into this when he meets women at [REDACTED] University. He must assure them that he is not a trump supporter when he meets them, and when he meets them it's always in a group, and his date's girlfriends vet him carefully. On the other hand, when he meets women in the real world, it's simply not an issue. His current GF is smoking hot, but he didn't meet he … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/21 08:27 PM |
| 2 | 41% of women would go on a date with someone who voted for the opposing candidate, compared to 67% of men. Why do you think this is? How will this affect relationships when a majority of men are republicans and a majority of women are democrats?This assumes that the women are telling the truth. I doubt they are. They will SAY that they would never date someone of the political Right, but I suspect they say it because they know it is expected of them. They say it, and they mean it at the time. BUT They're not dating a soy boy if they can get a real man. Women are herd animals, but politics doesn't repeal biology | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/21 06:24 PM |
| 1 | Virgins are preferable for long-term relationships and marriageIf you have never been exposed to ice cream, you might be lactose intolerant. I'd like to know that the person has at least some interest in and desire for sex, since I'd like to have it every now and then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/21 08:50 PM |
| 2 | Partner quality is much more important than n count when it comes to pair bondingN count might be valuable information insofar as it predicts the likelihood of a previous partner setting the bar high, but it does not mean that they have lost the ability to pair bond altogether. A ship with a hole in the side from an iceberg, reef, mine, or torpedo may not have lost the ability to float altogether but things don't look promising. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/21 08:46 AM |
| 0 | Simps have ruined the dating market.If simping causes pussy drip, then clearly you need to simp more. Better yet, if you have the same simp in stock, and can charge less because you move a lot of simp, and you can ship the simp faster...The world is your oyster. You can drive all the other simpers out of business. On the other hand, if women desire strong men, then refusing to simp gives you a competitive advantage, although women will still greedily smoke the crack of cheap validation provided by the simpers. Whichever is true, s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/21 03:27 AM |
| 1 | How would you fill the masculinity void?I wonder if this is meant as a joke. The operational differences between the parties are minor at this point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/21 01:08 AM |
| 2 | How would you fill the masculinity void?I said that the problem has no solution, given the political and cultural facts on the ground. The best parents can do is to get their children entirely out of public schools. Homeschooling is an option, but not a perfect one. Homeschooling does not preclude getting children outdoors and physically active. Nor does it preclude turning the digital crack off, or at least dialing it back. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/21 01:06 AM |
| 6 | How would you fill the masculinity void?Frankly, you can't. Heritage America gave up control over its school system to its enemies long ago. The miseducation of generations of its children and the complete control of education and government by the Left means that nothing now can be done on any sort of useful time scale. Raising the current generation of boys into actual men would take private schools, probably single sex at least in the early grades, that there are not resources to create. Home schooling would help, since the parents… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/21 08:08 PM |
| 2 | Objectively, does red pill have real life relevance? Does it "work"?TRP is relevant as a description of how females actually behave in the dating and sexual markets. To what extent it "works" for guys might be a function of how realistic their expectations were going in. Men have a limited ability to improve their SMV. Thos improvements require time, effort, and in some cases money. As long as they don't expect too much it will work. But. The men may be unable or unwilling to make the investment, and they may not be happy with the return. But whether or not TRP … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/21 09:09 PM |
| 1 | If a man uses his resources to attract women, does that make him a beta male?No. Alpha is a state of mind. OP's question assumes that alpha men never have resources. Men use what they have. Some men have only the financial resources they possess. You can have looks and charm and still have a paying job. If you aren't the alpha billionaire of the romance novel fantasies, you can at least be capable of helping to support a family and maybe you actually want to do that. Alpha doesn't mean that you spend every waking moment in the pursuit of pussy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/21 06:08 PM |
| 1 | If your partner’s past is your current prison, you will never have future happiness.what my partner did in the past is a pretty good indication of what they're going to do with me. This is an issue of people lacking assertiveness and boundaries who accept less than they think they deserve projecting their anger at themselves onto their partner’s past. Meaningless psychobabble. Let me put it this way: If a woman learned that a guy had beaten and physically abused every woman had had ever been with in the past, should she date him? Or is she confining herself to a prison of pro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/21 06:04 AM |
| 4 | Do 'average' Women just bring more to the table today than 'average' Men?Due to male selection pressures, women have evolved to be more objectively attractive than men. Women will also work harder to improve and maintain their appearance. Sex and appearance is more important to everyone these days for various reasons, so this appearance gap matters a lot more than it used to. I'm going to call bovine scatology on this one. Women are not "objectively more attractive", they're just hypergamous. Most men are not attractive to them. The last time a scientific discovery w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/21 08:01 PM |
| 5 | Men and Women of PPD: Who Would You Rather Date?I'll take woman number one, Monty, and whatever it is you got behind door number two. She takes care of herself and will keep her looks longer. She's pleasant to be around. Number two will be quicker to start thinking about a status upgrade, so she's less of a long term prospect. EDIT: Neither woman will stay with me, but number one sounds better while it lasts | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/21 07:38 PM |
| 1 | What's the truth on how women perceive emotional men?To quote a line from the band Nerf Herder "You don't want a boyfriend, what you want is Mister Spock" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/21 07:34 PM |
| 1 | Would most women stay with a guy that wants to wait before having sex?No. If he doesn't want sex then he doesn't want her. Women want to be wanted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/21 01:06 PM |
| 1 | Dating is like getting a job. You need a job to gain experience, but you need experience to get a job. You need a relationship to gain experience, but you need experience to get a relationship.Before I thought it was just because they are a desirable person Being in a relationship does make you a more desirable person. Women want what other women have, and no woman wants another woman's rejects. Well, guys have mostly stumbled their way along, as evidenced by the fact that the human race has made it this far. The problem comes if you don't enough experience soon enough. A guy can get into a negative feedback loop. You don't really have a more difficult time of it than any other guy, b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/21 12:58 PM |
| 5 | A man shouldn't have a problem waiting for sex ladies, if he does, it's definitely a red flag.If you as a woman are looking for a genuine relationship, make it clear to the guy that you like him (if you do), but you're simply restraining from sex because you want it to be a meaningful and serious relationship in the future. So the deal is that the guy has to court her and spend time on her, with no sex, and no promise of a meaningful relationship except maybe some time in the future. There's a word for guys who take that deal. Sucker. I'm not paranoid that she's having sex with Chad. The… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/21 04:03 AM |
| 0 | Most dating difficulties are caused by fear and wanting to minimize an imagined or real risk.Most dating difficulties are caused by the inability of people to attract the people that they want. Hypergamy leads women to reject most of the available men and a lot of men reject a lot of the residual available women who aren't really such great shakes themselves. Remember, it's not just the fear of rejection, it' the certainty that woman who says yes will be an entitled fattie who's into FDS or something. If you lower your standards enough you generally avoid rejection but if you lower your… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/21 11:05 PM |
| 2 | Dating market is full of scammersAll markets are full of scammers. Caveat emptor. It's a given that the dating market is going to be like panning for gold. You're going to sift through a shit ton of mud before you find a nugget, but hopefully the gold is there. OP is right that the people running a dating app don't have the same goal as the customer. I don't think the dating apps are in any danger of losing their customer base, but some people have decided that the mud/nugget ratio is too skewed to be worth it. Maybe it's like … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/21 03:02 AM |
| 1 | How to write strong but accurate female action/adventure characters?There are writers that can do believable female characters in the action genre. It's possible, but most of the writers who try it make the mistake of writing romance or maybe erotica instead of action/adventure The first thing I'd say is to understand this. You writing action/adventure. Do some research. It probably helps if you keep the fight scenes believable. Do some actual research on fights and combatives. Learn something real world about guns. If the first thing you describe about the char… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/21 02:44 AM |
| 2 | Most Red Pill Influencers have likely suffered some sort of traumaThere is a myth that the apple dropped on Isaac Newton's head, and thus he came up with a theory of gravity to account for the fall of the apple. So who hurt Newton? The apple. Except that's a myth and actually the apple dropped nearby. Newton, observing the fall of the apple, wondered what made it fall, and thus he came up with his theory of gravity. All truth begins with observation. The truth of gravity does not depend on where, exactly the apple fell. The apple accelerates towards the ground… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/21 12:39 AM |
| 1 | Does "hookup culture" benefit men more?OP misses the point. It isn't about who enjoys the sex more, it's that men who hook up get sex, which is what they were looking for. The women may have been looking for more, or they may have been hoping to at least leverage their hookups into eventual commitment. But hypergamy being what it is, they probably can't leverage their hookups into commitment with the men they really want. And hookup culture only really benefits the men that the women are willing to hook up with, and that isn't most o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/21 12:22 AM |
| 2 | "Hes hot...but I get the vibe he wasnt born hot, so I'm weirded out by him"I think OP is asking the wrong question. You're hot or you aren't. How you got that way clearly doesn't matter to OP, and I don't think there's any reason why it should. But... It's going to come down to what she's looking for. If she has unrealistic standards, if she's looking for Ultimo Chad, and he has to be a natural Alpha, then maybe the fact that he had to work hard to attain his hotness means he is...inferior to Natural Ultimo Chad. And OP, who sounds like a reasonable person is puzzled. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/21 09:11 AM |
| 4 | All sexually charged social spaces are sausage fests, not just dating appsI don't claim to be an expert on seduction, dating, pickup, or women. I will say that I've played poker for a long time and I always try to have the best of it. There's never any guarantee of success, but if if it's no limit hold 'em and the flop comes down and I don't have top pair, then there's a pretty good chance someone's got me beat. And I want to make money, not lose it. With women, there's never any guarantee of success, but I'd like to have the best of it to the extent I can. My time is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/21 09:41 AM |
| 2 | Are relationships with large financial, physical, or status gaps as creepy as relationships with large age gaps?i believe the reason why it's shamed is that 30+-year-old women can't compete with hot women in their 20s for the men they want. Why would 30+ year old women ever need to compete with women in their twenties? A.) Because they fucked a succession of men through their twenties when they were hot but never settled down on one because they were having too much fun fucking a succession of men. B.) Because they divorced the men that they had during their feminist self actualization and now find that t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/21 08:17 PM |
| 1 | What exactly is the end game for red-pillers,mgtow, mra, etc?The end game is to change the game. I have said elsewhere on this sub that I expect at some point the appearance of a leader who will have the ability to inspire and mobilize young men. He will give them pride, pack, a sense of belonging, and a willingness to strive for a common goal. When he appears, America will change, and not necessarily for the better. (I guess here you can cue up "I Am The One You Warned Me Of" by the Blue Oyster Cult) The Red Pill in the Matrix represented Neo learning ho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/21 08:13 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Red Pill advice would be perfect if all the women in the world had Borderline Personality DisorderThis makes me think of Galileo and Copernicus. Back when They argued that the earth moved around the Sun and not vice versa (As Ptolemy claimed) There were people who said that they made these arguments because they were heretics. Which I guess means that they were lucky not to be killed, because that happened to a lot of people accused of heresy. But at the end of the day, the real question was not whether Galileo and Copernicus were heretics, it was whether their claims were factually true. Wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/21 08:11 PM |
| 8 | Despite TRPers desperately wanting it to be true science shows that women aren't attracted to dark triad men.Science!, in the context OP describes, means social science, which boils down mostly to asking people and writing down what they say. (The asking is frequently done by female grad students taking worthless degrees. ) Thus Science! cannot accurately describe women's sexual attraction as it violates a basic truth. Never believe what women say, but watch what they do. Thus Science! doesn't support the claims of the Red Pill, but experience does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/21 03:14 AM |
| 14 | What's wrong with the age gap really? Older, successful women can not get the men they want, because men chose younger women, and don't care about their success.OP misses the point. By a very wide margin. There are many choices people make that aren't "wrong" for any given definition of that word, but multiply those choices by a big enough number and you have consequences that society can't casually accept. You can be lazy, an a fatass, and eat poorly, but enough lardasses getting heart disease and diabetes imposes a real cost on everyone else. Older men aren't wrong for wanting hot young pussy and young women aren't wrong for being gold diggers, but en… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/21 09:26 PM |
| 2 | You DO NOT have to do well with women.am a big fan of the late psychologist Albert Ellis, and one of his main "irrational beliefs" people tend to hold is that "I MUST do well!". He mainly applied this to neuroticism at work and school, but the same could be said of dating. 18-29 year old men tend to drive themselves insane over this NEED to do well with hot women and sleep with them, when, in fact, it is just a strong want. Young men don't pursue hot women because the young men are neurotic, they pursue hot women because the women a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/21 08:50 PM |
| 1 | Question For The Men: Would you date or marry or even consider a relationship with an FDS woman?Celibacy would be better. Or escorts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/21 08:37 PM |
| 8 | How can loyalty exist if hypergamy is realIt doesn't and can't. She may love you for today, but there is no guarantee of tomorrow. The divorces initiated by women bear witness to this. Hypergamy is incentivized by divorce law and popular entertainment, which glamorizes divorce. This does not mean she is not sincere when she says she loves you. But you cannot bind the future. In the future, she may sincerely love someone else as sincerely as she loves you today. Plan accordingly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/21 02:42 AM |
| 1 | More or less for the Red Pill Men: How long is too long without sex in a relationship and will you seek it elsewhere?I don't worry so much about labels. I may fall more on the Red end of the spectrum, but I will temper that by saying that I'm lazy and being a sociopath is actually hard work. Anyone who says that he demands sex whenever and however he wants it but there will be no cohabitation, no children, no marriage, and he can kick her out at will and is going to keep spinning plates is either a flat out sociopath or they're dealing in bullshit, and I have no use for it either way. One other thing. If a wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/21 04:44 AM |
| 9 | If 40 percent of the American population is obese and makes less than 50k a year, is really hard for men to get women?80/20. You're part of the 20 or you're not. If you're in the top end of the 80, then no matter how rancid the bottom end of the 80 is, then you're still in the 80. Any questions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/21 12:59 AM |
| -1 | More or less for the Red Pill Men: How long is too long without sex in a relationship and will you seek it elsewhere?Sex as a weapon. This seems to come up quite a bit For some Red Pill the guys, a woman is using sex as a weapon if she asks to be treated as more than a set of wet holes. I expect a woman to use sex as a bargaining chip as it were. Surely she expects something, however small Perhaps she wants me to be her escort in the world of coupledom, or maybe she would like the occasional odd hug or a meagre bit of emotional support, or maybe just humane treatment. Despite my good looks, rapier like wit, an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/21 05:47 PM |
| 1 | More or less for the Red Pill Men: How long is too long without sex in a relationship and will you seek it elsewhere?If we're already in a relationship, then the second time she says no we're going to talk about it. And I don't mean than it's time to dump her, because there may in fact be something wrong. If she's depressed, ill, stressed out, having doubts about the relationship, then we need to address that, and not just because I want to get back to having sex. If we're dating, then I likely don't know how long she normally makes guys wait. Any answer that says "If she makes me wait longer than everybody el… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/21 02:53 PM |
| 0 | Men need to stop validating women to get upperhand in SMPMen aren't going to change women by throwing some sort of giant collective tantrum. Men should be very sparing in their validation of women. If any given man, or group of men stopped validating women, then the men who were smart enough to see this for the daft idea that it is would get all the women. Validate a woman sparingly. Guaranteed constant validation will devalue it, and will eventually devalue you. And it will make you feel devalued in the bargain. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/21 04:03 PM |
| 3 | What do sexually unsuccessful people want/expect from others when they air their grievances?Whatever it is they want/expect they aren't going to get it. Being romantically unsuccessful is going to end up being your cross to bear. No one is going to carry it for you, and the people who don't carry it have no idea how heavy it is. So in the end, I suspect complaining about lack o fromantic/sexual success is likely to just make it worse. The pain of being unsuccessful is compounded when it turns out that basically no one gives a shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/21 05:42 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Since women are attracted to “bad boys” during their 20s and then settle down with the “nice guy” by the time they reach 30, that just means that pursuing healthy relationships with women is pointless.MY answer is that it's like a casino. The game is rigged and the house takes a percentage. So you play games where you can have the best of it. (Blackjack is beatable, although they will eventually throw you out if you prove you know how. Roulette is for suckers) The structural problems of the modern dating market are real, and for the foreseeable future, intractable. But it follows logically that therefore unless you consciously work to attain a good relationship with a woman you are never goin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/11/21 04:07 PM |
| 1 | How 'Golden Penis Syndrome' is ruining dating for university women: Deficit of male students means men develop inflated egos and become 'Casanovas' who 'cheat' - despite a 'lack of social and sexual skills'Well, RP has pointed out for years that when you send women to college one effect is to drastically narrow the pool of men whom they consider to be acceptable mate choices. Send more women than men to college, and you have winnowed down the remaining dating pool to a puddle. There is an old Spanish proverb, that few women and no feminist will ever understand. "Take what Thou want and pay for it, sayeth God." 'One of the solutions to the college gender gap that I write about in MAKE YOUR MOVE is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/21 03:33 PM |
| 1 | Would it be even worth getting into the dating scene at 26?That's a question only you can answer, since only you can decide what is worth what and how much effort to you. If you want the answer, then get into the dating scene, and you'll know if it was worth it. I would say that you can't get back time, so if you think you might ever want to get into the dating scene at all, the time is now. The longer you wait the more difficult it will become because of your experience deficit. I can't promise you that any woman will ever be willing to date you, or ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/21 09:16 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: How would you feel if you saw your female love interest/girlfriend/wife crying?I would wonder what the fuck I did this time | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/21 12:45 AM |
| 1 | Red pilled men know about hypergamy, so why don't they date down?I'm going to go full Zen Master and say "Unask the question" Men don't date down, and never need to. Your SMV is whoever you can attract, no more, and no less. Thus, the most attractive women you can actually get is your SMV. You are never dating down But Red Pilled men know about hypergamy, and they know about 80-20. Lowering your standards to a women actually willing to date less than Chad with a BMW might limit you to the bottom of the barrel, which these days is pretty damn bad. In which cas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/21 12:43 AM |
| 1 | What would the ideal dating world look like?The ideal dating world would be one in which I could have a woman far above my own SMV. This of course is unattainable. Perhaps a better dating world would be one in which more people understood the difference between what is attainable and what is not. But this, too, is unattainable | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/21 09:25 AM |
| 6 | Should men try and appeal to a specific niche of women or to a majority of them?As long as your niche doesn't get too limited or specific. I see a lot of guys trying to appeal to women who are into fat, slovenly, and ill mannered. My advice is that this niche group is excessively sought after, and the competition will prove too stiff for most men seeking these women out. Seriously, don't be generic, be an individual. But be an attractive individual. Remember, you are a niche. So is she. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/21 04:46 PM |
| 1 | Cold approach doesn't work unless you're attractive enough to not even need to cold approachI disagree. BUT. Cold approach requires social skills that a lot of guys never develop. I agree with you to the extent that it's only going to work for the top 10% of social skills guys, and guys that can make it work probably have other options for meeting women that they might prefer to use because they've got the top 10% of social skills. If you define the top 10% of guys as Uberchad, then I don't necessarily agree with OP. I'm not saying that OP is WRONG and we aren't going to get the sharpe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/21 02:40 PM |
| 3 | Your dating woes are probably your fault.Your dating woes are your problem and it's up to you to fix them if you can. The word fault really doesn't belong in the discussion , because a lot of things can give you dating problems that are outside your control and that you didn't cause. People can and do sabotage themselves, and people can and find themselves cast into the dating market from hell that they never made. Two things are true. One is that people post about pretty obviously self inflicted dating woes, and the other is that peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/21 06:00 PM |
| 1 | Is this low birth rate something that should be concerning?I didn't say that it was passed down by blood, but for it to be passed down there has to be a next generation. For anything to be passed down there has to be a next generation. If you're part of the Ooga Booga tribe in the rain forests of the Boogaloo River, and you hunt heads and blood is lunch, then your culture or civilization or whatever will not be passed down unless there is a next generation. Why is this complicated? It's something that's universally true, regardless of race, creed, or wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/21 01:06 AM |
| 17 | Is this low birth rate something that should be concerning?Given that a low enough birth rate means the eventual end of Western civilization, yes. If Western civilization lasts beyond the end of my life (And it probably will) then it's not worrisome. On the other hand, the West is becoming a collection of shithole countries while it waits to die, and that's at least concerning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/21 09:28 AM |
| -1 | Are Men Incentivizing Low Birth Rates?Is the epidemic of men cheating on their pregnant wives and the mothers of their children a primary reason for low birthrates People go to remarkable lengths to avoid the obvious. The reason that birth rates are low is hat women choose not to bear children. Any woman who wishes to bear a child can. But we must not point the fickle finger of blame at women or at feminism, which would be an act of hatey hate. Bloops and feminists have to go through some remarkable mental gymnastics to always keep … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/21 03:11 PM |
| 1 | Is porn ruining average sexual experiences for men by raising their expectations on how much sexual women should be with them?Is porn ruining average sexual experiences for men by raising their expectations on how much sexual women should be with them? I'd point out that you have to be having sex before porn can ruin it for you and the average man, well... Wouldn't be better for men to not know what other, more sexually successful men, are getting? Should men stop watching porn at all and uninstall all hook up aps from their phones? I think it would be better in a boat on a river where tangerine people eat marmalade … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/21 01:22 PM |
| 1 | TRP is undercomplex in evaluating the SMV of peopleBut they won‘t go deeper for example into how real value often is very subjective and differs widely from person to person and the specific circumstances they might be in. The value of a thing is what that thing will bring. Done. Your SMV is who can attract. Done. This is not complex. You may not like what Red Pill says, but calling it "undercomplex" is bovine scatology. It reminds me of the movie This Is Spinal Tap where the manager says that the bands "appeal is becoming more selective". Sayin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/21 02:41 PM |
| 9 | What is something you're "supposed" to be physically attracted to but actually turns you off?I do not like the "Heidi Klum" type anorexic runway models. I don't like the thirteen year old anorexic junkie look. And I don't have a thing for concentration camp survivors either. Women: You need to look like yourself. I won't say that I like curves because curvy has become a euphemism for land whale. But the physical standards for models are taken to an unnecessary and grotesque extreme. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/21 08:01 PM |
| 1 | What is something you're "supposed" to be physically attracted to but actually turns you off?Any woman whose ass makes me think of the song "Big Bottom" by Spinal Tap. The puffed out lip jobs nearly always look fake and don't do anything for me. Any plastic surgery procedure that ends up calling attention to itself. This includes an awful lot of boob jobs, but not all of them. EDIT: Women, there's probably not as much wrong with your body as you think if you just won't get fat. All surgery carries risk, and that includes lip jobs, boob jobs, etc. Shit can go wrong and even a good surgeo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/21 07:49 PM |
| 1 | Modern dating and the Laffer Curve.You're not wrong, and we don't need to get the sharpened screwdrivers out over this. The only thing I'll ring you up on is the idea that "due to external forces the amount of time and work to be considered successful has increased". Depends on what you mean by success. Working hard and being successful might qualify you as a beta provider, but that might not be a given man's definition of success. More than that, even if you do qualify as a beta provider, women are postponing marriage later and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/21 12:21 AM |
| 3 | Modern dating and the Laffer Curve.The analogy is inexact. The Laffer Curve was about a concept that is very hard, in fact nearly impossible to teach human beings, namely the idea of diminishing marginal returns. The idea of men deciding that "The juice is not worth the squeeze" is a bit different. I understand OP's point and they aren't wrong, but this is not a curve, it's binary. Dating is worth the average guy's effort to pursue or it isn't. The question isn't whether putting out E +1 level of effort as opposed to E level of e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/21 06:30 PM |
| 1 | If Red Pill Is Right, Haven’t Men Lost/Are Losing?If the Red Pill is right, everyone is losing. Civilization runs on male investment. That has likely dropped below the level of the sustainable. Women lose too, since they depend mostly on guys to keep the lights on, the store shelves stocked, and fuel in her car's tank. Sure, but these stunning, successful women didn’t want children anyways! Their earning potential is going up while ours is going down, and women are sleeping with younger men or even paying for it…just like us! It is said that on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 09:13 AM |
| 1 | How has the obesity epidemic affected the sexual market place and marriage?Plus, obesity may impact the genders differently. It does. A fat guy can make a lot of money, or be successful in other ways. He's still a fat guy, but he's a successful fat gut. A fat chick is still a fat chick. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 12:00 AM |
| 2 | How has the obesity epidemic affected the sexual market place and marriage?How much did the eruption of Vesuvius affect Pompeii? How much did that atom bomb affect Hiroshima? Large numbers of women have made themselves physically repulsive.* No man wants them. He might fuck them, but he doesn't want them. This affects the relative SMV of large numbers of men and women in ways not conducive to a healthy society. Entire books cold be written on the resulting ill effects. *The topic of how large numbers of men have rendered themselves updateable/unfuckable , and they have… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/21 09:20 AM |
| 1 | Do modern women overestimate their attractiveness? Or is it that they underestimate it?Few human beings are accurate judges of their attractiveness. It requires a degree of self awareness that most people in the modern age don't possess. Others judge our attractiveness for us when we put ourselves out there. Some people don't put themselves out there. Some people refuse to accept the verdict even after it's been rendered many times. I would have said at one time that men, more that women, were prone to overestimating their attractiveness. I no longer believe this to be true. I sha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/21 08:58 AM |
| 6 | Do you think the pandemic is exacerbating Red Pill ideologies?OP asks a good question. Average men who would be getting some sex aren't getting any and they may be falsly attributing this to "women's nature" or blak pll ideologies. Average men already were getting very little in the way of sex before the advent of Coronadoom, and yes, that was due in large part the nature of female sexuality as it operates in the modern world. I know plenty of men have a hard time but I worry the pandemic is making a lot more of us jaded. I'm not sure jaded is the word I'd… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/21 08:45 PM |
| 2 | Most marriages ending in divorce are happy until a sudden, abrupt event triggers the breakdown of the marriageI don't know that the men get more, or for that matter that the women get less. But the women are more likely, under our current no fault divorce laws, to initiate a divorce. I don't use the biological hard wired differences in the sexes as the basis of a comprehensive moral indictment because that's pointless. Blaming men for being men or women for being women is a waste of the human spirit. Men and women are the way they are because that's how they evolved and that's how they bred each other. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/21 04:26 AM |
| 0 | Most marriages ending in divorce are happy until a sudden, abrupt event triggers the breakdown of the marriageMost marriages ending in divorce are happy until the woman no longer is and then she files for divorce. The "event" is that the woman is tired of being married to this guy, and divorce law incentivizes her to leave. The "event" is entirely internal to the woman. Popular entertainment for women often includes some form of divorce porn. I think now that most young women expect to have at least one divorce as a sort of marker experience. And when they divorce him, they're going to explain to him ho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/10/21 01:12 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The intractable problem of women as reward.We can redistribute wealth based on a sense of fairness, but you can't redistribute women. I guess you never read The Iliad. Men "redistributed" women for most of human history. You may, if you wish, deplore the arrangements under which the women in The Iliad were redistributed, and you may feel that our ways are morally superior. In all honesty, though, I suspect that the social arrangements of The Iliad lasted longer than ours are likely to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/10/21 12:52 AM |
| 1 | There isn't anything wrong with hypergamyThere is nothing wrong with hypergamy, or any other aspect of female sexual nature, or male sexual nature for that matter. Nor is there anything to be done about it unless we are willing to let the genetic engineers hack away at it, a project I would not favor. Having said that, all successful civilizations understand that humans cannot always act on their genetically determined sexual nature if we want civilization to continue. No fault divorce laws , which allow women to indulge their hypergam… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/21 02:31 PM |
| 7 | Most guys aren't really trying that hardRed Pill tends to make three kinds of claims. One is about the nature of female sexuality and the modern dating and sexual marketplace. This includes 80/20, hypergamy, the reality of marriage and divorce law, etc. The second kind of claims involve the need for men to work to improve themselves. And let me say that I view these first two kinds of claims as being true beyond dispute. The third kinds of claims involve the field reports, the success stories (true or not) and the claim that the reaso… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/21 04:02 PM |
| 1 | Is celibacy a red flag?Well, presumably I know they're celibate because they told me. Presumably they want me to know this for a reason. If that reason is that they intend to remain celibate, then I need not waste my time. Now maybe they had a breakup or what have you. Or maybe she's been a total slut and she's trying to look like less of a slut or "revirginize" herself. (I heard the term in a discussion of Christian dating. Not being especially religious, I didn't give it much thought.) Maybe she's trying to get me t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/21 03:12 AM |
| 4 | One reason people hate the red pill is because society, especially women, have a desire to keep people in their tier/league.OP is close, but no cigar. Women don't care if an Incel turns into Chad. If he did, they'd want him. A prince is still a prince, even if he started life as a frog. What women don't like is the idea of men pretending to be something they aren't, because if they can't carry it off they are obnoxious and ridiculous, and if they do carry it off the women might fall for it. They don't want to waste time on Beta Bob when they're looking to land an Alpha. Red Pill purports to teach guys how to come acr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/21 03:06 AM |
| 1 | Why has the amount of sexless men 18-30 increased more than the amount of sexless women 18-30?I have to say I certainly don’t see the great incel uprising, the single men in Japan seem increasingly passive and have even begun to embrace their herbivore status. I posted on this sub sometime back that I didn't see that coming either. What tends to happen is that civilization runs on male investment, and that's falling below the sustainable. "Enjoy the decline" is basically bad advice, since the only people who can enjoy decline are those high enough in the pecking order to insulated from t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/21 08:52 PM |
| 1 | Why has the amount of sexless men 18-30 increased more than the amount of sexless women 18-30?Just to be clear, I don't defend porn or claim that it is a good influence. I claim that it gets more attention than it deserves in discussions of male sexlessness. Would it improve anything if we banned it? I honestly don't know, but if I had to bet, any improvement would be minor and around the margins. At the end of the day, the hill that men have to climb to get sex in this society is a lot steeper than it used to be, and no one has any actionable plan for changing that. When people on this … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/21 06:51 PM |
| – | Why has the amount of sexless men 18-30 increased more than the amount of sexless women 18-30?Is porn addiction causing sexlessness, is sexlessness causing porn addiction, etc etc. probably many factors in a circular, downward spiral. Porn addiction gets a lot of blame in part because it's easy to suggest a remedy for that - just ban porn. In reality, there's a shit storm of social dysfunction involved. Whether porn addiction is cause or effect is really beside the point, and I won't bother taking a position on that question here. Unless average women are willing to fuck average men whil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/21 07:33 PM |
| 9 | Why has the amount of sexless men 18-30 increased more than the amount of sexless women 18-30?So how come the increase is bigger among men and only during the recent years? The most common reason why men don't have sex is that women reject them. The real question you want to ask is why are more men getting rejected? Why do the women reject such a large percentage of the men on offer? To which the general answer is 80/20 because that's the way it is. Now you'll also get a lot about how the guys are icky and deserve to get rejected, and doubtless when a woman rejects a guy she is doing so … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/21 01:51 AM |
| 0 | Dwelling on TRP as a man is like dwelling on racism as a black personI doubt that "dwelling on" anything is good for you. We need to see the world as it is. I remember reading the Foundation Trilogy at an impressionable age and remembering the advice that the First Speaker gave to a young student in which he explains that both hope and fear are weaknesses. "You must learn to live without hope, and go forward with your eyes open." The Speaker wasn't urging the young student to give up, but be persevere in the face of adversity and uncertainty. Do not hope or fear … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/21 01:14 AM |
| 1 | Should men chase women?Men should attract women, and if the fellow is unattractive, chasing likely won't avail him. But maybe OP was imprecise in the use of the word "chase", and meant "approach" or "approach with the intent of a possible relationship." I suppose that one possible answer is that whether a fellow should chase will be a function of what he wants, the effort he's willing to put in, his expectations of success, and what he's willing to settle for. My answer is that if you want a woman you must likely appr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/21 08:42 PM |
| 2 | TRP has some specks of truth to it but has largely become a money making cult for sociopathic dating/red pill coachesNothing sells better than "this will get you chicks." Even the mainstream media they love to demonize knows that. It's just sad to see it go such a way. I don't know who originally said it, but it's true. In America, every mass movement ends as a corporation, a cult, or a racket. Red Pill is not, and was never going to be, the exception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/21 09:05 PM |
| 2 | Is it wrong for a woman to want to wait before having sex/stay a virgin now?It's not wrong, but that does not place me under an obligation to wait for her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/21 01:50 AM |
| 2 | Why different men are ok or not waiting for sexI want to preface this with any girl I have met worth waiting for I knew in the first 30 minutes of the first date she was worth waiting for. I didn't need more time to know. This entire discussions ends with a conclusion everyone would be going on a lot of sober 30 minute first dates ending the vast majority in no second date if people were really following their hearts fully. I think in an ideal world waiting for sex (1-2 months, 5+ dates) is probably the best risk/reward ratio to form a stron… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/21 07:43 AM |
| 1 | How long *should* it take someone mid-20’s actively trying to get a relationship?Three or four months at the most , and at six months you're either an unattractive man, you're doing something seriously wrong, or you aren't interested. Let’s take the average 22 year old fresh out of College in their first real job. Parties with friends on the weekend, works during the week, after work drinks every other week or so. I'm not sure how many 22 year olds fit this description given the wreckage that the Covidians have left of society | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/21 07:40 PM |
| 0 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.If, to men, the passage of time depreciates women’s value but, to employers, it renders them more valuable because they have more experience/skill/knowledge, then investing in a career is a wiser and more logical choice for women than investing in relationships with men is. This is daft. Women need a way to make ends meet, but they are also going to want a romantic partner. If a woman wants to be valuable to man after age thirty, then she needs to be investing in a romantic partner in her twenti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/21 07:19 PM |
| 2 | [Q4All] How big is the gap of SMV between Average men and Ugly men?How big is the gap of SMV between Average men and Ugly men? AT the end of the day you're one of the 80 or one of the 20. Their SMV isn't really all that different. Their RMV is a function of things other than just looks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/21 08:18 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] If you don’t want women to have careers/work, what do you expect them to do to obtain money, resources, and meet their needs?[Q4M] If you don’t want women to have careers/work, what do you expect them to do to obtain money, resources, and meet their needs? I expect them to get a lawyer, bend me over in court and divorce rape my ass. Honestly, if there are no children, I don't have a problem with her having a job or whatever. If there are children, then I would strongly prefer that she be a SAHM, at least for a while. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/21 05:25 AM |
| 1 | The "Sex is/is not a need" discussionUnask the question, as the Zen master would say. Whether or not sex is a "need" for any given definition of that word, is entirely irrelevant. If it is a need, that does not place the Universe, or the opposite sex (Or the same sex, if you swing that way) under any obligation. If it is not a "need", that doesn't change the fact that your life may kinda suck without it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/21 07:37 PM |
| 4 | I don’t get mad at woman for their nature. Men should understand the rules of the game and play to win.And the plight of a man is we must win. The plight of a man is that he must choose, and live with his choices. or to quote the late Major Kendra Shaw from Battlestar Galactica, before she went out in a nuclear fireball, "You make your choices, and then you live with 'em. And in the end, you are those choices." We can’t really be SAHD and be seen as valuable or attractive. We can’t trust that if we decide one day to just not do anything that we can trust our woman will stick with us. We can’t tru… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/21 09:44 PM |
| 2 | When do you think it's "too late" to find a good partner?Tomorrow. That should probably be your mind set, since if you want a good partner, you should make it a priority now. One could argue about the definition of good, and perhaps its relationship with good enough, but but whatever you want you should be looking for it now. The answer "when you have convinced yourself it's impossible" sounds good, but is false. We are limited by our mortality. You may believe it is perfectly possible to find a good partner up to the moment you perish in a traffic ac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/09/21 04:10 PM |
| 2 | Men tend to be delusional about their sexual attractivenessMost people, in general, are not good judges of their attractiveness. There's no particular reason why anyone should be, given that attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder. Absent putting yourself out there, how would you know? This is probably more true for men, who end up doing most of the approaching. Years ago I worked with a guy who was in his late forties early fifties, and he was getting gray, so he got one of these hair products for men that gradually get rid of your gray. The shit … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/21 01:21 PM |
| 2 | Can average men state what they want upfront and get it?In order to "state what they want upfront and get it" the man must be attractive. The average man, by definition, is not. He may make himself acceptable during courtship, but that's going to require some amount of time and a woman willing to settle for him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/21 05:10 PM |
| 3 | Is there a "secret underworld" of sex going on all the time?Is there a "secret underworld" of sex going on all the time? No. And Yes. Look, if you aren't getting any, then you know that somewhere out there someone is getting more than you, because the whole world isn't celibate. If you're sufficiently socially awkward, then there's a secret underworld of guys who can have coffee with a girl. And it's a secret underworld to you. Maybe not to everyone else, but it is to you. And again, if you're not getting any, then maybe it's perfectly plausible to you t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/21 05:17 AM |
| 5 | What antidote can you suggest to redpiller's, other than enjoy the decline?There is no solution for the human condition. It is what it is. The game is rigged, but if you don't play you can't win. So should you play? Here's the thing. To play, you have to believe you can win. Or that you might win. It's a bit like the belief that religion can be useful without being true. That there is no God, but there are some things men can be restrained from doing only by fear of damnation. Civilization requires male investment, which requires some amount of belief. The problem is t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 01:14 AM |
| 2 | I am seeing how subreddits like r/ dating is filled with bunch of hypocrites and people who have double standards.Hypocrisy is part of the human condition. I'm not sure why people think they are accomplishing something by pointing it out. Best to make an assessment of the kinds of people posting on a sub, and realize that posting there is fairly pointless. cast not your pearls before swine. Some subs are full of swine. Fat women are actually providing a kind of theoretical test of the results of a sex strike. There are so few women who aren't fat these days that I keep seeing couples where the guy really ou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 09:18 AM |
| 1 | What is the fairest achievable and functional gender equilibrium for the modern West?There isn't one. The West passed the point of no return a long time ago. There are three religions today that that might plausibly replace the secular humanistic wokery of the West and become the nucleus of a functional civilization. They are Orthodox Christianity, Islam, and Xi Jinping thought. The best we can hope for is Orthodox Christianity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 01:08 AM |
| – | Autism linked to Extremism?No, but I believe that Western mental health "experts" have, at best, limited access to real terrorists. That may change as we seem to be bent on importing more of them | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 11:34 PM |
| 1 | Biology versus Cultural Conditioning. Female perception of Men showing Emotion and opening up and masculine Men.Men are expected to be competent. If you're competent and can take care of business, you can be emotionally fairly open with your woman. Also, if you aren't competent, can't take care of business, don't otherwise have your shit together, then any sort of macho act you try to put on is going to fall flat. Read If by Rudyard Kipling. That describes the gold standard for manhood. Note that the guy is never told that he has to be closed off emotionally to the woman in his life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 09:27 AM |
| 3 | Autism linked to Extremism?I've also noticed in the news that a lot of people convicted of terror offences and mass shootings are on the autism spectrum. Most real world terrorism happens outside the reach of the American legal and mental health systems. People 'convicted of terrorism' were someplace that Western mental health quacks could pretend to study them. But most terrorism happens in the Middle East or Africa. And while the terrorists might have some issues, autism isn't likely to be one of them. Is there a link… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 09:08 AM |
| 1 | Would you date a woman you met at work?No. I wouldn't stick a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger either | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/21 11:45 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The advice “you need to love yourself first before someone else can love you” doesn’t work for men the same way it does for women.CMV: The advice “you need to love yourself first before someone else can love you” doesn’t work for men the same way it does for women. I doubt this advice works for anyone, so maybe this isn't a proper reply for a CMV. Confidence is the product of success, not the cause of it. Prolonged failure will eventually lead to desperation, which is the death of attraction. Women don't need to "love themselves", and frankly, the modern feminist definition of self love is toxic anyway. If a woman is so un… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/21 04:45 PM |
| 1 | Access to better mates isn't enough to motivate people to grow upTo be fair, I reckon most women feel the same way when they walk into a GameStop.But I guess that point is only to your credit that the incentives are absent for women too, as men who can provide + are hot are few and far between. Well, given hypergamy etc, it's inevitable that attractive men will be few and far between. And that's true whether they're in a GameStop or anyplace else. That's a result of how women are biologically hardwired. That's not me defending the current crop of young men or… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/21 12:17 AM |
| 0 | Access to better mates isn't enough to motivate people to grow upI am actually a libertarian btw, not progressive. I apologize for having mischaracterized your beliefs. I don't consider libertarians to be an improvement, but whatever. If the women themselves are not a sufficient incentive, then what incentives do you propose to offer? Marry a washed out party girl and get entered in a raffle? First prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. Second prize is a set of steak knives... Wrong movie, although I'm not sure what the right one would be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/21 01:17 PM |
| 7 | Access to better mates isn't enough to motivate people to grow upFrom my observation, multiple systems need to be in place to coerce people to reaching their potential. The battle cry of the progressive lunatic. There is no coercing people to reach their "potential" for any given definition of that word. A long list of tyrants in the 20th Century, starting with Lenin, stacked corpses by the tens of millions trying to coerce human beings into their full potential, and the humans stubbornly refused to reach the lofty potential they tyrants saw in them no matter… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/21 12:20 PM |
| 2 | To what extent are modern female standards inflated or just revealed preferences?That said, how much of this inflation is artificial and could be dialed back (in theory) to more 'normal' levels by cultural changes, and to what extent are these just female preferences that have always existed and have finally been revealed now that women are more free to do so? Women are what they are, and no amount of "cultural change" will alter what they are. The only way to change what women are would be to let the genetic engineers start making alterations, a project I would not favor. W… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/21 01:25 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Men shouldn’t take dating advice from women online at all, until they consider what type of women they want to attractCMV: Men shouldn’t take dating advice from women online at all, until they consider what type of women they want to attract Try it this way: "Men shouldn’t take dating advice from women online at all" Now you have a true statement Do you want to attract a daily FDS poster who constantly talks about the struggles of how hard it is to be a woman? Do you want to attract a twitter addict who whines about unwanted approaches or interactions with men? Do you want to attract a self identified pansexual… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/21 09:09 AM |
| 1 | Women's best sex partner-what would you have done ?One of the baseline conditions for an ltr with a woman is that she has to want to have sex. With me. Telling her girlfriend that I'm inferior to some Chad in her past is a dealbreaker. If I had feelings for this woman, it would hurt, but if she feels this way now she'll be cheating on me, or leaving me later. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/21 05:49 PM |
| 1 | Does effort in dating build value or reveal value?All of these are true to some extent 1.) Effort is necessary to have any chance of success. Lack of effort guarantees failure. Nothing in this life is free. 2.) No amount of effort can guarantee success. Some of us are not going to make it. Life is hard, and unfair. Whether effort builds or reveals value seems to me like debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/21 03:10 PM |
| 1 | (Discussion/Q4A): Risk Taking & Risk/RewardAll of this is false, since, however Pascal comes down on the issue, the existence or nonexistence of God is not provable. Bet however you like, but you aren't collecting in this life, and you aren't paying anyone off, ever.* With dating, the rewards and risks are of this Earth, immediate, and tangible. They will have consequences for how you live your life in the here and now. You will have a family and children, or you will not. You will get sex, or you will not. You will suffer rejection and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/21 01:41 PM |
| 8 | Do People just use this sub as the new red pill sub because the rest is all banned/quarantined?Unless you're proposing a total ban on all posting by all people everywhere expressing even remotely Reddish opinions, then there will be some amount of Red Pill posting here. Since Red is half of Purple (The other half being Blue) it could hardly be any other way. I have never been a member of the Red Pill sub. I will say, having spent some time there, that one reason why people of the Red persuasion might choose to post here is that the quality of posts on the Red Pill sub has declines markedl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/21 05:50 PM |
| 1 | Do some men in the manosphere want to "turn back the clock" and dislike the modern world?The phrase "Enjoy the decline" makes me think of Poul Anderson's hero Dominic Flandry, who said that there was no point in defending a decadent empire if one didn't get to enjoy some of the decadence. So I suppose if someone needs an action hero to defend our decaying empire while rescuing (And laying) hot women, I'm available. But the last time I checked in with Imperial intelligence, their answer was "Don't call us, we'll call you." There is no enjoying the decline. Decline sucks, unless you'r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/21 02:40 PM |
| 19 | Socially and sexually successful women are not impressiveWomen on the other hand are not equally competitive. If you're the unattractive friend, you might just find you're getting asked out MORE because you seem more attainable. This lack of competition between women makes it easier for them to find relationships with men and friendships with each other. News flash: Women are not men. They compete with each othet, but not being men, they do not compete with each other in the same ways that men do. Thus the man's social and sexually accomplishments are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/21 12:00 AM |
| 2 | Do you think that in order for a man to be successful with dating that he has to know more about women than even women know about themselves?It can be compared to war. Great warriors aren't always able to explain why they are great at what they do. Musashi carved up many a man in combat, but his book on strategy is pretty clearly the work of a man who was a doer and not highly educated. Repeatedly he says "You must study this deeply", and the injunction is accompanied by a sometimes muddy explanation. Sun Tzu probably never killed a man in his life, but he's a lot more quotable. Business types love to quote Sun Tzu because they think… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/21 03:35 PM |
| 1 | RedPill Men, Do You Believe that People Can Uhhhh Love Each Other?Of course they can. But people love of their own free will, and that tends to be fickle. with women especially. She may love you with all her heart and all her soul. Tomorrow she may feel the same about someone else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/21 12:30 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There isn’t someone for everyone.Listen, at the end of the day, one can look for solutions or excuses. Success never comes from excuses, i think we can aggree on that. We do indeed. But at the end of the day, we do not live in a just world. I am happy for the success you have earned. I am sure that you do speak from your personal experience, but your personal experience is just that - your personal experience. It is not universal, nor is mine. And while I think your advice is sound, I think you need to understand that there can… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/21 12:24 AM |
| – | CMV: There isn’t someone for everyone.I think, you are conflicting this with the myth of "the One". I don't believe in the myth of "The One", and am baffled at how you reached this conclusion. You spend an inordinate amount of time refuting an argument I never made, and you never get round to addressing the argument I did make, probably because you can't. There isn't someone for everyone because there can't be. It's not how evolution works, and there aren't equal numbers. If you are good lookig, well groomed, well dressed, easy goin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/21 09:07 AM |
| – | CMV: There isn’t someone for everyone.Claiming the opposite is like claiming that there is no gold left underground, cause I've never found any. Surely if you sit on your ass blaming all the corps actively mining gold, and do nothing else, you will die without finding any, that's guaranteed, we aggree. So what's the better course of action if you long to find gold? That's an interesting analogy, because the supply of gold in the ground is, in fact, finite. (As is the supply of oil, uranium, etc.) And I doubt you would make the claim… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/21 01:17 AM |
| – | CMV: There isn’t someone for everyone.So what's the conclusion? If you are a young male, and you willing to put in the work, there's definitely someone for you. The only thing in your way is your own mindset. You can join the incels and commiserate, you can go MGTOW, or you can do the work, fail, learn from your mistakes then try again... It's all up to you. Red Pill started out as a reality based explanation of how the dating and sexual marketplace actually works. But it comes with downsides attached, and one of them is Red Pillers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/21 12:01 AM |
| 4 | CMV: There isn’t someone for everyone.It has nothing to do with effort or entitlement. Men and women do not exist in equal numbers. Therefore, there is not someone for everyone, no matter how much effort is put in by anyone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/21 01:28 AM |
| 2 | Does Environment (Cultural, Social) Play a Part In A Man's Ability To Get Laid?Well, if you're in prison, that going to affect your ability to get laid. OK, that's an extreme example, but obviously environment matters. Circumstances matter. Your genetics matter. Things outside your control will matter. Things within your control will matter. The post to which I think you refer properly belonged on the Red Pill sub along with the fake field reports. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/21 12:15 AM |
| 3 | CMV: There isn’t someone for everyone.Mathematically this is false. There are more men than women by some margin. In some societies, like China, which has pursued a one child policy, that margin is pretty big. No amount of lowering your standards will make up for the fact that there aren't enough women to go around. (Something similar can happen In societies with a lot of war widows if monogamy is enforced. Assuming an approximate male/female numerical balance there is someone for most people. But not everyone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/21 12:09 AM |
| 1 | You are not getting sex because people don't want to have sex with you, the rest is just noiseIf you want a job then circumstances matter. You may have a fine resume and excellent qualifications, but in the middle of the Great Depression with 25% unemployment jobs may simply be hava no. if you want sex, then circumstances matter. The dating market is downstream from biology, culture, and much else besides. And your genetics will matter as well, as will the availability of suitable partners. Not sure why OP goes on about fault, as fault does not apply when no one has suffered an injury, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/21 09:34 AM |
| 1 | Onlyfans shuttering their sex content and how it may impact the dating marketRemember, the dating market and the prostitution market are not the same thing. Therefore, nothing in the dating market will change. As for the banking community, with the RICO laws being what they are they had little choice. The nation probably has more serious problems than Onlyfans, so Congress might have turned its attention to some of them, but cracking down on immorality is thought to be a politically useful pose. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/21 08:12 AM |
| 1 | What do you mean when you say men who consume porn but wont wife pornstars are hypocrites?Hypocrisy is part of the human condition. There is no point in protesting against it. Pointing out hypocrisy will if accompanied by a few bucks get you a cappuccino. I am baffled why people take such delight in pointing out hypocrisy. People who have something to be hypocritical about are probably having more fun. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/21 02:47 PM |
| 1 | What do you mean when you say men who consume porn but wont wife pornstars are hypocrites?The fact that a fellow makes use of, say, escorts, is no reason to marry one. if you want to call it hypocrisy, then knock yourself out, but men dealing with the realities of bachelorhood and the modern dating market are under no obligation to be consistent in your eyes. Life is what it is, and we all have to get by. Calling someone a hypocrite in discussions of sex or politics is one of the most time wasting activities humans can engage in. Bloops and conservatives both seem to live for it, and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/21 01:27 PM |
| 4 | Is TRP a Mate Trickery sexual strategyTRP would have you believe this. I remember reading an essay about game from some TRP guru who said that the TRP guys were teaching men to "brainhack" women. And I thought, holy shit, what an amazing superpower. And these guys are generous enough to share the secret with all of us. I mean, if I could do that shit, I'd never do anything else. And in fact, I might even make a superhero costume for myself, because that's like, a superpower. And I would call myself Slayer. And all I gotta do to get … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/21 11:02 AM |
| 4 | Red Pill Youtuber Alexander Grace says that pursuing casual sex is next to impossible for all but the very top men, and most men are better off finding a high quality woman and getting out of the dating market asapHe says that attaining casual sex is next to impossible for all but the top 1-2% of genetically gifted good looking men, or for famous celebrities with huge social status. It's not a realistic attainable goal for 99% of men so there's no point banging your head against a brick wall and losing your self esteem and confidence over it. He says that The Red Pill, PUA and other sources are all selling men a lie that casual sex and spinning plates is possible for most men - it's not. Most of the succe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/21 03:22 PM |
| 2 | Are today's men dropping below even a reasonable woman's attraction floor?And here is the great truth. the TRP YouTube sensations say the women must adjust their standards, and if the women did, well... No one is wrong here. I could give you my deep and detailed analysis, flawlessly reasoned with geometric logic, and it would be true beyond any possible refutation. That and a few bucks will get you a large coffee. There's a song called "Fix The Boat or Swim" by a group called Abney Park. Go listen to it. That song contains a whole philosophy of life, and could stand a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/21 10:13 AM |
| 12 | Are today's men dropping below even a reasonable woman's attraction floor?We hired a guy, he's 28, with a worthless degree, and I can't imagine that even the most desperate woman would ever settle for him. He has no work ethic, his arms look like broomsticks, he has no social skills, you can't carry on a conversation with him. There's a lot of guys out there who were never raised in a way that taught them to be men. And yes, they are below any reasonable woman's attraction floor. And no, some woman is not gonna settle for him even though he's a beta because he's a goo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/21 11:51 AM |
| 1 | If women prefer high testosterone men why have male testosterone levels consistently dropped?The reasons are almost certainly environmental. It could be diet, or chemical compounds we've been exposed to. Those seem like the most likely explanations. I think diet may well be a factor, since that's something that we know has changed. Chemical exposure is very difficult to ttrack down because the list of possibilities is vast. I have wondered at three o'clock in the morning about the actual list of causes that will make Western Civ unsustainable. Some of these I won't go into here because … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/21 09:29 AM |
| 1 | The Problem Is The Lack Of Positive Sexual & Relationship EducationYou have to get the causality right. everything is downstream from biology. To some extent we are the product of education and conditioning, but we are not a blank slate. We are not a tabula rasa. There is something there that is conditioned, and conditioning and education only goes so far. Education is a product of culture, which is downstream from biology. Politics is downstream from culture, and economics is downstream from politics. Know what causes what. To deny that there is a nurture comp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/21 08:25 PM |
| 1 | The Problem Is The Lack Of Positive Sexual & Relationship EducationI believe the main problems faced by men and women revolve around the lack of quality education surrounding sex and relationships. Human sexual behavior is a function of biology and is downstream from it. Men and women behave as they do because that's how they evolved. It is not amenable to change through education, reeducation, or what have you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/21 07:58 PM |
| 1 | How would genetic engineering and advanced cosmetic surgery change the dating scene?They wouldn't, except perhaps to advantage those who could afford the best cosmetic surgery. Attractiveness is relative. It's a positional good. This is the human condition, and you cannot change it. A few men can be attractive. Most can't be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/21 06:30 AM |
| 1 | Basing future predictions of the dating landscape based on current and past data is pointlessPlus ca change, plus la meme chose Five years from now, men will be thirsty, women will be hypergamous, the declining economy will provide fewer opportunities for men to be breadwinners, and thirty year old women who are riding the carousel will be wondering where all the good men have gone. Our forefathers did not have the internet, but had it been explained to them they would understand perfectly the changes it would bring, since they understood the differences between men and women. The dat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/21 04:03 AM |
| 2 | [CMV] The Manosphere Consistently Gives Terrible Nutritional Advice and It's Hurting Men in the Long TermHumans are omivores and evolved to eat whatever was available. I know a Sudanese guy who grew up as a nomad, and he eats quite a bit of meat. It's greasier than I really like, for the most part. (We've worked together for a long time and I've tried some authentic Sudanese food) He's not fat, and obviously has stayed healthy on a Sudanese nomad diet which includes quite a bit of fried meat of one sort or another, but his portions are moderate by American standards. I don't think veganism would ev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 02:33 PM |
| 6 | Age Gap Relationships Discussion ThreadDoes this mean that individuals who still choose to participate in age gap relationships are damaged or abnormal, or are they finding a way to get what they need out of the dating world? An answer to this question depends on understanding what it is people actually want/need out of the dating world. A young woman who chooses an older, established man over the slacker who age who lives in his parent's basement would not appear to be damaged or abnormal. Neither would a young man who chooses an ol… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 11:49 PM |
| 1 | Research on dating apps: 50-70% of users meet someone via the app, 18-50% have casual sex, 1/3 of all offline encounters end in casual sex, and 30% of users find a romantic relationship. Most app users seek relationships, not hook-ups.Meatspace, baby. Real life is always better than online. If you get shot down you get shot down, and if it works, it's like you won the lottery. Time spent swiping and staring at a screen is time that could be better spent on other things. To approach, I have to go out, and out is a good place to be. I'd rather get shot down approaching than stare at a screen. You can say I'm a fool, but I'm the fool I choose to be. And there's a high failure rate, but I don't read a lot into that, because it's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 05:30 AM |
| 2 | Would you rather live a life in lower class with the woman of your dreams, or a life of riches that is otherwise loveless?If I have the money, then I can buy all the love I want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/21 07:44 PM |
| 2 | CMV: the TRP adage "don't listen to women" actually shows that TRPers have too few women in their lifen reality they would have much more success if they got more female friends and started to listen to them instead of just being bitter that they aren't having sex. A fellow who wants sex is not likely to get it by increasing the number of women in his life with whom he is not having sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/21 12:33 PM |
| 1 | Do men want traditional relationships anymore?I think that some number of men want traditional relationships, and if they're smart, they know that they can't get them, and govern themselves accordingly. Modern women nearly always want to be married, but are rarely interested in being wives. The intelligent man plans accordingly. You may marry her, but she need not remain married to you, and likely will not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/21 12:27 PM |
| 1 | Are promiscuous women as reliable in LTR as non-promiscuous?No woman should be considered "reliable" in an LTR. The difference between promiscuous and non-promiscuous is in degree, not kind. One I met on a dating app, really fun to be around, solid 7/10, we're sexually exclusive and getting to know each other but she says she doesn't even want to think about relationships right now, so a major red flag. Her las ex was 2 years ago and since then she's been having casual things. She's not very stable financially and probably not emotionally either. Advice:… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/21 07:10 PM |
| 1 | "Can't wife a hoe" but, why not?It's really not slut shaming, it's just an attempt at practical advice. You can't wife a woman in an age of no fault divorce laws that disadvantage men. A hoe will be faster to divorce rape you since her history indicates that she will leave a man sooner than most, but marriage is no longer a good deal for men. With the hoe it's more obvious and the cost of the mistake will come due sooner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/21 07:55 PM |
| 1 | Men: Do you prefer to date an intelligent pessimist or an ignorant optimist?I suppose I'd prefer date the one who was hottest. Ms Optimistic will put the goddam phone away while we're eating. MsPessimistic will be polite to the staff. I am quite optimistic that I can enforce on both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/21 02:35 AM |
| 4 | Is the rise in selective promiscuous women noticeable to you?Is the rise in selective promiscuous women noticeable to you? Not especially, since selective promiscuous women don't select for me all that often. But I've heard of such. I think in general the use of the word "slut" seems to depend on who, exactly, she's sleeping with and who she isn't. For example, if she isn't sleeping with you, then she's definitely a slut, or a bitch, or whatever, or at east she is at risk of being called such. But women tend to be quite selective in who they find attracti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/21 04:59 AM |
| 1 | Despite TRP claiming that most women have violent rape fantasies, in reality it's mostly just victims of childhood sexual abuse that do.A couple of points. Data about women having rape fantasies, violent or otherwise, is derived in the way that a lot of data is derived when it comes to people's sexual choices, behavior, or preferences. Someone did a survey, asked a sample of people, and wrote down what they said. So if 62% percent of women report having violent rape fantasies, then this is known because 62% of some sample of women said that they had such fantasies. It is, perhaps, possible that fewer than 62% of women have such … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/21 01:47 AM |
| 0 | Can we talk about the day in the life of Chad comment?I don’t think this is a gendered issue, but it seems like it is. So let’s discuss. Was the guy right or wrong to open tinder in front of this girl right after hooking ip? Well, I didn't hear her say that she was mortally offended and would never fuck the guy again. He was, after all, Chad. She didn't even sound angry. So obviously he was right, in a tactical sense. He established and reminded her that he was high value. Whether he was right in a moral sense is another matter, but OP never specif… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/21 09:22 PM |
| 1 | Age Gap Relationships Should Be DiscouragedThose with higher SMV will seek to leverage their SMV to get a younger partner, but this should be discouraged for both genders in the interest of family stability and long-term happiness. Whose long term happiness? Whose family stability? What's the point of having high SMV if you can't leverage it? This is basically an attempt to prove that people under age 30 shouldn't be allowed to run around loose. And how do you propose to discourage it? Snide remarks? Cancel their Twitter accounts? Perhap… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/21 05:57 PM |
| – | What’s more difficult? A man becoming “high value” or a woman becoming “high value”It depends on why the individual men and women in question aren't high value now. Some things are inherently easier to remedy than others. It also depends, with some problems, on how far the issue has progressed. A person who is packing a few extra pounds has an easier time of it than someone who is morbidly obese and needs a year to make serious dent in the problem. In general, men have an easier time improving their value than women, although women have more of a floor under their value than m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/21 08:43 AM |
| 1 | EmpathyTrue, but irrelevant. Empathy does no man any good. He doesn't want empathy, he wants sex, or a relationship, or validation, or whatever. Empathy is a poor substitute for any of these, and if he thought he was getting it when he admitted his romantic/sexual failures, then he was in for a rude awakening. He needs to improve his situation or he needs to learn to cope with it. It's a hard world and not everyone is going to make it. The flip side of that is that modern Western civ, with amenities li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/21 06:03 AM |
| 7 | AA/BB is not decided at birth; you mindset is fucking you upI doubt anyone is really going to change OP's fucking view, but then not all that frosting many CMVs are really open to change. There was a time when Red Pill guys were fairly honest. I can recall Heartiste, back before his blog was taken down, saying that most guys wouldn't be able to improve themselves or increase their SMVs by a huge amount, but that if a guy could get sixes instead of fours, that was a major lifestyle upgrade. (As the blog has been taken down, I am forced to recall this from… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/21 04:55 AM |
| 1 | Is women being submissive a taboo now? And if so, why?The people who sell romance novels do a tremendous amount of market research, and they know what their readers want, because if they don't know, then they go broke. Now it turns out that not all women want exactly the same thing in their romance novels, but some subset of them want powerful ripped alpha males who will carry them off to their dudgeon or whatever and dominate them sexually. I have no idea what percentage of romance novels sold follow this trope and incorporate explicit BDSM. It's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/21 08:25 PM |
| 1 | The truth about "Dick is abundant and low value"Man 1 goes on 10 dates and couples up and marries a woman and isn't seeking anymore. The next year 9 men in a bar, and 9 women in a bar, and suddenly women now only receive 9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1 requests, the following year 8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1. If you graph this dwindling sequence it looks like this shape: This reminds me of the farmer who went to some university professors because his cows were sick. The botanist suggested looking for fungus in the cow's feed. The microbiologist wanted to look for sign… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/21 06:55 PM |
| 1 | Men here don't chase "all types of women". Otherwise, they wouldn't complain about one type of female.This is basically a variant on the old AWALT/NAWALT argument, and you're saying TMBSSOWWANLTTMNAO . (There must be some subset of women who are not like that men never ask out.) "All your posts are wrong because everyone's lying!" You do realize that it's not unheard of for people to lie about sex., right? There was, I believe a study by the SSBO (Science for the Study Of the Bleeding Obvious) that concluded that 99.99975% of people never lie about sex, and that 99.975% of those people were liar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/21 07:22 PM |
| 2 | Women would prefer for men to make SUB-OPTIMAL dating choices that ONLY benefits them but RARELY do the same for menAnd men would prefer women to make suboptimal dating choices that only benefit MEN. I mean, dude. A lot of guys would like it if hot women would make suboptimal choices and select for noodle armed socially inept soy faced gamma males. Even a handsome, charming, witty, buff, and modest fellow such as myself would prefer it, were he to hit on a supermodel, that she make suboptimal choices and choose him over her other available choices. Welcome to the human race. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/21 06:44 PM |
| 6 | We are headed for a huge population cliff mainly because men and women have been conditioned to hate each other.The crash in fertility has a lot of reasons, but none of them are related to "hate". To cover just one of the obvious reasons, childrearing presupposes a way to support the children, and frankly, the American middle class has been bled white. I'm not going to get up on a soapbox about jobs, wages, and so forth because I'm not running for office, and this sub isn't the place to campaign even if I were. But the economic damage that has been done to working and middle class families over the last s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/21 12:15 PM |
| 4 | Dunking on Legal Age Gaps Really Needs to DieYou can argue all you want to about brain development, but as a preactical matter, at some point people have to legally become adults and own their choices. A 20 year old who becomes involved with a 40 year old lover may be choosing unwisely, and the older partner may or may not be acting from good motives, but the fact is that the 20 year old is legally an adult. Done. I might not approve f their choices, I might advise them to choose differently, but at the end of the day it's their choice. Am… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 02:45 AM |
| 1 | What happens to a man who has not has a relationship/sex by age 30.If a man doesn't start having sex when he should (For any given definition of the word Should), then the chance that he ever will starts asymptotically approaching zero. Be sure you understand the word asymptotically before expressing outrage at the idea. So at some point, the chance that he will ever have sex stops being a good bet. And I think that point is reached before age thirty. It's a bit like applying for a job following a long period of unemployment. Potential employers may be put off.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/21 09:11 PM |
| 1 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?I mentioned in the OP that we're assuming she's heterosexual (not asexual or gray-asexual), not a virgin for religious reasons, and not waiting until marriage, so I'm not sure why you'd think she'd expect you to be her celibate boyfriend. Well, she's either had celibate boyfriends or no boyfriends. Neither possibility recommends her as relationship material. We're assuming she has a normal sex drive and interest in sex. The answer to that question is yes. Why are we assuming this? She has a norm… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 08:37 PM |
| 1 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?It's not an automatic DQ, but it's a major red flag. My first thought is that she will expect me to be her celibate boyfriend, which I would refuse to do. If I spend a lot of time/effort money pursuing her, then I'm a sucker, because then I have neither sex nor the promise of marriage or a relationship. There's the age old question "What's in it for me?" That question has to have an answer. There's also a question of whether or not she has realistic expectations of what a relationship involves. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 07:58 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The greatest determining factor of dating success for men is to be happyThe greatest determinant of dating success for men is to be attractive, but unhappy is unattractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 09:47 PM |
| 3 | Men should have a hoe phase before committing to anyone.I absolutely agree that I should have a hoe phase. I richly deserve it and I'm long overdue for it. I should also have a pony and a plastic rocket. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 07:44 PM |
| 0 | I'm lgbt but I have done deep dives in both pills: debate is nice but what is your solution?The second part is what I see unfolding and when that kicks off as an lgbt person and a woman I'm getting the hell outta dodge faster then you can say 'oh shit'. Seeing as I'm one person and very rarely people think like me, naw I'm out Note the exact wording. "It will not in all cases be change for the better." I don't know who The Man will be, although when he comes around (Points if you know the reference) I suspect I'll know him when I see him. Depending on who and what he brings in his trai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 04:14 AM |
| 3 | I'm lgbt but I have done deep dives in both pills: debate is nice but what is your solution?If you don't have a solution you don't have a problem, and I think that there aren't a lot in the way of public policy fixes that can be enacted on any reasonable timeline. There are individual solutions to individual problems, and mostly we have to work on those. Machiavelli pointed out that the wise prince trusts to what is in his power and not what is in the power of others. Men must become like the wise prince. They must look to what is in their power and work to be the best men they can be.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 03:55 PM |
| – | Study: Educational assortative mating and the decline of hypergamy in 27 European countriesTo understand what's wrong with this, you need to understand the great chain of causality. Everything is downstream from biology. Women are hypergamous because they're biologically hardwired to be that way. education is a part of culture, which is downstream from biology. Having a college degree does not biologically rewire a woman. The effects are cultural, not biological. College might do any number of things to a woman, but biologically, she'll come out of it more or less the same as she went… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 02:57 AM |
| 1 | [Q4ALL]Whats your thoughts on Young Romance/Love?1.)Do you think young love or romance is overrated? Especially those with no experience? No. When you're young, things don't look the same, and while you may look back on things later and feel differently about them, at the time your feelings were real enough. I don't look down on the fellow I used to be, and while I might wish I could do it over knowing what I know now, well...so do a lot of other people. It's part of life. And if you never experienced young love, or you were a late bloomer, th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/21 05:25 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Would you rather?Let me get this straight. You're asking if having a woman ask me out is worth becoming celibate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/21 04:04 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If you’re a man of average genetic physicality, you are equipped to attract romantic relationships and hookups.But my point is one’s born looks isn’t a death knell. They can do a host of things to become more attractive. I know I do. Being “sexy” is an artform. There are things that men can do to improve themselves. In theory, that ant can move that rubber tree plant because he's got high hopes, if you know that old song, just as that ram can punch a hole in that dam. And in fact all men should seek to improve themselves as a matter of course. Having said that, as a practical matter, there are limits to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/21 06:39 AM |
| 1 | CMV: If you’re a man of average genetic physicality, you are equipped to attract romantic relationships and hookups.I attempt to define in the OP. Do you have other things you would add? Nothing except that attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder, so it really depends on the standards of the beholders, not "Genetic physicality" You can define average attractiveness however you like in a post, but in the really real world men are attractive or unattractive according the the standards of the women they meet, who mostly don't seem to find average men attractive, for any given definition of the word average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/21 06:20 AM |
| 1 | CMV: If you’re a man of average genetic physicality, you are equipped to attract romantic relationships and hookups.It depends on the definition of the word average. If he is of average attractiveness in the eyes of the average woman, this may be true. Note the distinction. It is the average woman that Average Bob meets who determines his averageness, and not the OP. He must be average in the eyes of his target audience, and he must not be a creep, since creep cancels out average. So average should do, on average, so long as women find him sufficiently average by their average standards. Or then again, averag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/21 01:30 AM |
| 3 | Women would be better people if they had to compete in dating like men doThis. If she wants to meet that guy she's really going to value, then she needs to get a life. And I mean a life outside swiping on dating apps, because the guy she's looking for might not be there, and if he is, he might be buried under a bunch of losers who have no value other than knowing how to make a good looking profile. A social circle and interests that facilitate meeting people in meatspace are useful no matter what sex chromosomes you were born with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/21 06:27 PM |
| 8 | Women would be better people if they had to compete in dating like men doWomen aren't as big on self improvement because they don't need to be Not true, but they don't necessarily have to improve at the same things. They compete for the investment of men who have value, and the investment of good men doesn't just come of its own. If they want to be pumped and dumped, that can always be arranged. If they want the guy to commit, especially if they want a guy who represents real value to commit, well...they gotta work on themselves too. Nobody gets what they really want… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/21 10:16 PM |
| 42 | Women would be better people if they had to compete in dating like men doWell, men having to compete like men in dating hasn't exactly made men into better people. why would it work with women? I guess it depends on what you mean by better people. Guys may succeed in turning themselves into Dark Triad Red Pill PUAs with sociopathic personalities and bad ink, or more likely they will turn themselves into obnoxious bores with a lot of canned PUA material and bad ink. Or they may drop out of the rat race and become Migtows* or whatever, or maybe they just move back into… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/21 07:23 PM |
| 1 | Women don't need to lower their standards. They need to raise them massively.So the solution to all of this is that we need to empower women (and men) MORE, not less. Whenever I hear someone say that women need to be empowered, my first instinct is to reach for my sidearm. Women have different standards as it pertains to men for sexual attractiveness and relationship value. Stacie isn't hooking up with Chad because of peer pressure from her bitchy girlfriends, she's hooking up with Chad because he's HOT. And she's marrying Beta Bob because he makes better bank than Chad,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/21 07:01 PM |
| 1 | “Withholding sex” from a date isn’t about getting men to act right. It’s about vetting out fuckboys.It is not necessary to explain why a woman says no to sex, since few women ever choose to have sex with a significant percentage of the male (Or female) population. A better question to ask is why she says yes to sex. I suppose a fellow who had a sufficiently high opinion of himself might think that an explanation for her "no" is required, since any normal woman would be eager to have sex with him. Perhaps he is right in this belief, and her answer of no represents a mystery that demands some so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/21 12:29 AM |
| 32 | A man has no value in today's worldThere's an exercise that they go through in philosophy class. The idea is for the students to find the logical fallacy. 1.) All men are mortal 2.) Socrates was a man 3.) Socrates was mortal 4.) Therefore, all men are Socrates. And I keep finding posts on this subreddit by people who apparently never had philosophy. Women value male investment and attention. They do not value the investment and attention of all men equally. They value the investment and attention of "High Value" men, for any give… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/21 06:26 PM |
| 1 | If you use a dark triad persona to attract women it's no surprise you attract AWALT womenTRP is self-reinforcing cycle. Success has a tendency to self reinforce. Failure can as well, but in this case we're talking about the reinforcement of success. t isn't that women like dark triad men. It's simply that dark triad women like dark triad men, while nice women like nice men: like attracts like Irrelevant even if true. If Mr Dark Triad Redpill attracts women and gets sex, then he probably doesn't care that there are some number of women who aren't attracted to the Darkness of his Tria… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/21 01:51 AM |
| 12 | "Do communists have better sex?"1.) Everybody lies about sex. 2.) Communists lie about everything. 3.) Therefore, and self reported Commie sex statistics should be dismissed out of hand. 4.) for some reason, this makes me think of a story (Possibly apocryphal) about a CIA man who proposed a psywar op against the Soviets. he wanted to airdrop exceptionally large condoms on the USSR that would say on the packaging "Made in the USA Medium Size" (Can't remember how many inches they were supposed to be.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/21 08:00 PM |
| 1 | Why are men ridiculed for women's sexual dissatisfaction when Evolution did not select for women's sexual pleasure?How had it not when women have double the erogenpus zones & more than double the nerve endings in an organ that’s sole purpose is pleasure? Just to be clear, when I said that "evolution may not have selected for women's sexual pleasure", I should have inserted an indicator of sarcasm. Even if we grant the proposition, giving your woman sexual pleasure, if you care to learn how, has no downside. It makes for a happier woman, and frankly, it's fun. Men evolved to have brains, and the evolved male … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/21 07:17 PM |
| 7 | Why are men ridiculed for women's sexual dissatisfaction when Evolution did not select for women's sexual pleasure?Evolution may not have selected for women's sexual pleasure, but men can select for it, and the wise man understands that in selecting for his woman's sexual pleasure he is choosing to increase his own. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/21 06:35 PM |
| 1 | Why all the hate for TRP?Heartiste, who was one of the early Red Pill guys, and who eventually got deplatformed, has a Gab feed. Read that and tell me you don't see any racism or antisemitism. As for an anger phase, well...saying that guys haven't yet attained true Red Pill reminds me of the Soviets back in the days saying that they had not yet attained true Communism, and things would be a lot better when they did. Red Pill is what it is. You can be factually correct and still be an asshole. You can be factually correc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/21 06:22 PM |
| 15 | Why all the hate for TRP?Why all the hate for TRP? To quote from The Big Lebowski, "You're not wrong, you're an asshole." The misogyny, the fake "field reports" and success stories, the racism that I've run into now and again...it all adds up. A big part of the problem is how a lot of Red Pillers choose to present themselves. And on the other end of that is that feminists can get pretty irate when their world view is contradicted. So no one is entirely blameless here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/21 11:12 PM |
| 13 | Which is more of a penalty when it comes to a man having dating options: being "boring", or being "criminal"/"sociopathic"?There's a lot of romance novels where the girl gets the alpha/badboy who's a biker, vampire, mafia guy, space pirate, whatever. I don't think there's a lot of romances where the girl gets the boring guy. That fantasy doesn't seem to sell, so I'm going to say that in the dating market, criminal and sociopathic outsells boring by a wide margin | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/21 07:33 PM |
| 2 | Only women's dating problems are solvableSince men take the active role, they carry the responsibility for what happens. For some reason this makes me think of a line from an old Cheech and Chong movie. "Responsibility is a heavy responsibility." (Cheech says this shortly before one of them blows up the car.) Men and women both have responsibility no matter how much they refuse to act like it. Men have a limited ability to improve their relative SMV, but that doesn't translate into a complete inability to solve their problems. Men have… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/21 04:20 AM |
| 3 | Why aren't the Red Pill guys happier about the modern world?Consider where the phrase "Red Pill" comes from. Red Pill is about seeing the world as it is, not as you would have liked it to be. And as in that movie, the longer you live floating in the tank, the harder the realization is going to be, and the harder your adjustment will be. It's not a phrase ever likely to be used by people who have just awakened to fluffy bunnies and rainbows. There's a line from The Matrix worth quoting. "Remember, all I'm offering is the truth." I see Red Pill as basicall… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/21 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Why aren't folks having sex?Perfect storm. There isn't any one cause. Part of it is poor parenting, producing socially awkward children. part of it is the fatocalypse. Part of it may be biological since I think it's been established that men's testosterone levels have been dropping gradually over time. I don't think a cause for that has been established, although it's likely some combination of diet and environment. When people discuss the reasons they tend to focus on a pet hobby horse. Guys not having success will blame … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/21 01:55 AM |
| 1 | Does making one wait for sex actually help anyone? If yes, then how long?"When sex is in the equation, it can cause attachment too quickly before really getting to know each other" Well, if her goal is to make sure doesn't want attachment to form too quickly, then how about if I walk away? I'm pretty sure no premature attachments will form and maybe I can get sex somewhere else. This is daft. "Their reaction to being made to wait shows their mindset and can help you gauge your compatibility" This is true, but perhaps not always in the way that its authors intend. If … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/21 01:00 AM |
| 1 | Are there men here who are happy or content to be single?We're biologically hardwired to pair off. Some guys may prefer to be single, but, as Heinlein pointed out, this is racially self correcting. I'd say that there are men who adjust to being permanently single, but I suspect they'll always have somewhere a sense of missing something since they didn't really evolve to live that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/21 07:37 PM |
| 3 | What do women gain from being married in this day and age?What do women gain from being married in this day and age? A man they can divorce. And they can tell him, when they do it, that it has come to this because of him, and they had no choice. And they can then collect. Seriously, I'm convinced that most women, whether they are consciously aware of it or would admit to it, probably have, somewhere in their life plan, a divorce. It's a marker experience that they think they should have, because it's in nearly all popular entertainment aimed at women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/21 06:54 PM |
| 1 | A 50% Divorce Rate does not mean you have a 50% chance of divorceIn my opinion, marriage is not any more or less risky than starting a business. It requires very deliberate thought, planning, strategy, and cooperation. But as long as you put in the work to affect the outcome you want the likelihood of success is much closer to 100% than 0%. A better analogy would be poker, where you play the cards you're dealt and try to figure the odds of making your hand. Even if you figure them correctly and make your hand, there's no guarantee someone else hasn't got a be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/21 06:39 PM |
| 2 | If a man is entitled to hold out for marriage until he finds a virgin, is a woman entitled to date only men who don't watch porn?You're entitled to want what you want. But the perfect is the enemy of the good. A guy holding out for a virgin into his thirties may find that the virgins available to him are virgins for a reason. And a woman holding out for a guy who doesn't watch porn should probably plan in pairing off early, because guys who make it to their thirties without being able to snag one of those girls riding the CC are likely to find substitutes. Like, say, porn | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/21 04:51 PM |
| 1 | Are Sugar Daddies considered Winners or Losers?Big Daddy Sugar gets to take a model down to Nassau for the weekend. Beta Bob hires an escort for an hour at the risk of getting busted, ripped off, or catching a social disease. Or possibly he's afraid to hire the escort and blows the money on a cam girl. One of these men is a loser. One of them is a winner. See if you can figure out which is which. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/21 01:59 AM |
| 1 | 80/20 ratio is true for dating apps, up close and personal it's more like 20/80Speed dating is hardly typical of how most people get dates, and it requires them to agree to it ahead of time. And you have no idea here of how attractive the participants were or what other options they had. Exceptions don't invalidate useful general rules, and all general rules have exceptions. 80/20 remains true as a general rule. Anyone who argues that all not all _____________ are like that is trying to invalidate a useful general rule by pointing an exception that may well be so rare as t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/21 04:43 PM |
| 12 | 80/20 ratio is true for dating apps, up close and personal it's more like 20/80Here comes the fun part, people which are less attractive but were fun on the first date are more likely to get a YES for the second date then people who were more attractive but less fun. The fun part is that if you aren't attractive you don't get the date in the first place. After you get the first date, other measures and other considerations start to apply. I haven't been on PPD all that long, and I'm not sure yet how much actual time I'll spend here, but 80/20 seems to be a bit like the the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/21 07:33 AM |
| 2 | Young men and sexlessness: Why's this going on?Most of these have some degree of validity. The modern dating market is a prefect storm, and attempts to diagnose run into the fact that there are so many causes that you can't really point at one. Explanation 1 is bovine scatology, but 3 through 9 are all true to varying degrees. For some reason, a line comes back to me from a book about the Civil War, which said that there was no secret to Gettysburg. A dozen factors came together at that particular place and time and produced a major Confeder… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/21 08:07 PM |
| – | How many of the men complaining about the dating scene are actually worthy of dating?80/20 is only observable(debatable) in hook up culture. And that's the only place it ever needs to be "observable" since that tells us what people do and do not find attractive. I certainly understand the desire to render it not "debatable" since it tends to refute the premise of the original question. The red shift is only observable as applied to very distant objects, but is well documented enough not be "debatable", and it's true everywhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/21 08:46 PM |
| – | How many of the men complaining about the dating scene are actually worthy of dating?For the men that have trouble finding a woman to date, do you actually think that you're date worthy? Irrelevant. The relevant question is do the women find them dateworthy? Given 80/20, they probably don't. There's a lot of reasons why guys might have limited opportunities to meet women and socialize, but most women don't find most men attractive. If it makes anyone feel good to think that men who struggle in the dating market don't deserve any better, than knock yourself out. But regardless of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/21 08:35 PM |
| 1 | Red Pill people sometimes just make up fake numbersEven if this is true, it's irrelevant. People of all pills sometimes use wrong numbers or just make them up. People who point to factually incorrect Red Pill numbers are trying to discredit RP in general because the number most associated with Red Pill, namely 80/20, is true, and they can't refute it and know better than to try. There's all kinds of fakery associated with Red Pill, especially the success stories and "Field Reports" on the Red Pill subreddit. But the core facts about female sexua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/21 07:00 PM |
| 9 | I don't believe that a beta uprising will happen, instead, a beta downrisingI don't believe that there will be mass riots of beta men, but I do think that beta men are a fertile ground for a political organizer or a mass movement. There's a lot of dry tinder lying around, and all it takes is a spark in the form of a leader who can organize and inspire young men. I don't when that leader will appear, what his program will be, or whether he will come from the Left, the Right, or some other completely different political axis. (My money would be on the Right, but time will… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/21 03:35 PM |
| 1 | What do you believe are things that men get wrong about dating and about women?They both fail to understand that success in the dating and mating market requires a sustained effort on their part, and that really, it requires a greater effort than it likely did in the past, given what's been done to the dating market. Men don't realize that they have to work on themselves, and the meaning of work on themselves should be fairly obvious. (Stay in shape, work on your social skills, career, and such) Women need to understand that they need to keep themselves attractive, and if … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/21 01:46 PM |
| 1 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?The two are not mutually exclusive. Successful childrearing takes long term sustained effort and commitment, and even if you're willing to walk away from that commitment, the law may come after you for child support. And I wouldn't have gotten involved with her if I didn't genuinely "want" to. But A lot tends to come with wanting her. There's an asymmetry of risk involved in modern marriage. The law will enforce the man's financial obligations after the marriage ends, but it doesn't even make a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/21 09:07 AM |
| 1 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?I don't have a problem with storming the castle because I must have her, or defending the fortress in the last ditch because I must protect her, or working my ass off to provide for her and our children. It goes with the territory. But she damn well has to be worth it, and the children better damn well be mine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/21 12:26 AM |
| 2 | [Q4All] Is Online Dating a Scam?Scam is a word that needs to be applied carefully. The guy you paid to teach you about negs and game and abundance and who knew that the women you're interested in were never going to be interested in a guy like you...he scammed you. Money changed hands, and you were paying for something that the dude probably knew you weren't likely to get. OLD might be a waste of your time, but that doesn't make it a scam. Paying an Only Fans girl or whatever isn't a scam, but it's probably not a really good u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/21 09:00 AM |
| 2 | [Q4All] Is Online Dating a Scam?Distinction without a difference. Whether it's atractive women or beachfront property there's not enough to go around. Some people can get it, some people can't. The people who run OLD are offering you the chance to make a profile and put it out there. And in fact, you will make a profile and put it out there, so no, it's not a scam. It's not necessarily going to get you a date, but you weren't scammed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/21 08:44 AM |
| 3 | [Q4All] Is Online Dating a Scam?It's not a scam, anymore than selling beachfront property is a scam. But the potential buyer is pursuing goods that are really available to only a fortunate few. The phrase is "Positional goods". Not everyone can have them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/21 11:51 PM |
| 1 | Most teenaged boys by 2023 will be red pill awareRedpill spread a lot online, and online is is coming under increasing tech censorship. I'm not sure what teenage boys will be able to read in 2023. They'll know that something is wrong, that they won't be getting girls, that there will be no girls in their foreseeable future. I honestly don't know what "Pill" they will bite down on. Redpill was, at its inception about providing men with an actionable solution to their problems with women. Given what the dating market has become, I'm not sure wha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/21 08:50 AM |
| 1 | Is Porn a Cause of, or a Symptom of, the Rising Number of Virgin/Sexless Men?Is Porn a Cause of, or a Symptom of, the Rising Number of Virgin/Sexless Men? Yes. The two are not mutually exclusive. Beyond a certain point, arguing about chicken and egg is pointless. Porn is not caused by male sexlessness, it's caused by the fact that guys get aroused looking at women. They're visually cued. That having been said, there's more porn than there otherwise would be if more of the customer base was involved in real relationships. And eliminating porn wouldn't necessarily lead to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/21 09:13 AM |
| 1 | Some level of “creepiness” amongst men is acceptable.If she finds him attractive then by definition he's not creepy. Chad can get away with stuff that other fellows can't. If he's unattractive, he can make the argument that some level of creepiness should be acceptable, and much good will it do him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/21 12:13 AM |
| 2 | Women shouldn't expect to be paid for on the first few datesAll this is basically communicating to men is "my vagina is what's on the table here and you have to pay if you want to get in." Well, is he expecting her vagina for free? Look, I'm willing to pay for a few dates. If I didn't think it was worth paying for the date, I never would have asked in the first place. Because the alternative is to say that she's got to pay her own way for the privilege of listening to an evening of my rapier like wit. Which, admittedly, is pretty special, but asking her … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/21 12:55 PM |
| 4 | The reason why men don't get sex is because of menAll I hear are excuses. Where? I certainly never made any, for anyone. All men should strive to be their best, but striving does not guarantee success, life being unfair, and there are limits to a fellow's ability to improve his relative ranking. I'm not sure why any of that should be controversial, or draw such a hostile and dismissive response. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/21 06:02 PM |
| 3 | The reason why men don't get sex is because of menThe reason why men don't get sex is because women don't say yes. Now there might be a lot of reasons why that's the case, and some of them might be good ones. He may have multiple flaws and deficiencies. But the bottom line is that females being biologically hard wired the way they are, not every guy is going to make it. Every man can improve and all men should, but not every man can be top tier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/21 02:09 AM |
| 1 | Hypergamy, female subjugation & male sexlesness.So what is your proposed solution? Return to female subjugation or up your game. ? False choice. The two are not mutually exclusive and neither is really a solution. Returning to female subjugation likely more or less means first having a breakdown of our current civilization, and that seems to be in progress whether we like it or not. It's really kind of a nuclear option with a lot of collateral damage. Upping your game is not a collective solution, although it works for some individual men. It… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 09:03 AM |
| -2 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?"Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?" Yes. Guys living alone don't live like guys who live as half of a couple. Nothing surprising about that. As half of a couple you have to adapt to the other half. If that means I can't be a minimalist and I have to put up with new carpet in the living room and repainting, then that's OK. The flip side of that is she has to be visually pleasing and a good lay. No matter who you are, you have to be worth the other pers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 04:30 PM |
| 2 | Why are so many men giving money to OnlyFans women?You're entirely correct, of course. But... The Only Fans girl may be better looking than the average escort, and it doesn't come with the same risks attached. And it's easier, you don't even have to leave the house. And you don't actually have to get it up. The fantasy of the Only Fans girl may be more appealing than the reality of hiring an escort. I don't think it makes sense and I wouldn't recommend it, but there it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/21 08:58 PM |
| 43 | Do you think prior sexlessness is a common reason as to why some men might prefer younger women?This theory is too complicated to be true. Men tend to prefer younger women because younger women tend to be hotter. Done. Even guys who have had a lot of sex and can be successful at getting casual sex likely tend to show a preference for younger women as they age. Guys who have had a lot of early failure with women and have been sexless well into their twenties are likely to have some scar tissue from it, but that's not why they prefer younger women. Sexless guys prefer younger women because t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/21 01:02 PM |
| 1 | As a man, one of the most important moments in your dating life doesn't even involve you (a reflection on status)This is bogus, since Guy Of Girl 5 bears some responsibility for having no useful skills outside of video games and living with hia parents. So while he might not have been there, he more or less wrote his own eval Edit: He might also have done something to improve jis social skills, his wardrobe, his grooming, and his health. People get bad breaks in like, but GOG 5 didn't control for what was controllable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/21 08:57 AM |
| 2 | The most effective Blue Pill Strategy is exposure + timeUse the apps but not rely on them. Don't decide your own personal worth by the apps. Get a friend, preferably female, to manage your profile and help with pictures. For some reason this make me think of the old dictum 'Expect miracles but don't rely on them'. But to be clear, I regard this post as good practical advice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/21 09:08 AM |
| 2 | Are beauty pageants sexist or empowering?Random thoughts 1.) I don't find pageants interesting and never really did. If you want to look a pretty girls in swimsuits there are better options available, if you've seen one baton twirling act you've seen them all, and frankly I don't care what these girls think about world peace. 2.) I'm not sure how they send "the wrong message". Honestly, young women get judged on their looks, and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. (Young men get judged on their looks, too.) Telling little girls … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/21 05:58 PM |
| 1 | What to do about low status/unattractive men? Has our society done enough to supplement them with alternatives?We live in a winner take all society, and I honestly don't know how sustainable that's going to be in the long run. (I suspect not very) And it doesn't just apply to sex. The growth in male sexlessness (MS for short) is a problem, but there aren't a lot of actionable solutions close at hand. There is no cure for MS, but through research (And endless arguments on this subreddit) there is hope. So give generously when I the MS volunteer knock on your door. But seriously, I don't know whether or no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/21 03:59 AM |
| 1 | If a man reaches his mid 20s and beyond and is still a virgin (and not by choice), should he pay an escort/sex worker to lose it?I don't think there's anything wrong with paying for an escort. If he's reached his mid twenties and is still a virgin, the the question comes up of whether there's an underlying issue that needs to be addressed. He might get a better return on his investment buying a gym membership, or upgrading his wardrobe, or getting his teeth fixed, or therapy, or what have you. Money spent on escorts might be put to better use. The question assumes that the lack of sexual experience is his only problem. It… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/21 09:15 PM |
| 1 | At what age is it “too late” for a man to get into his first relationship, experience his first kiss, and lose his virginity?OK, so the question has been deleted, but fools rush in where angels fear to tread, so... I think what actually happens is that a kind of Xeno's paradox goes into effect. If you don't start dating and having sex when you're supposed to, for any given definition of supposed, then that failure starts weighing against you, and the longer it goes on, the more that failure becomes a potential stigma in the eyes of prospective partners. As long as you're still alive and able to physically preform, the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/21 10:32 PM |
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