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Question for Red PillMadBadAndRadLad/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:31 PM
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The meta that I put in the OP made no such sort of conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 10:29 PM
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Yeah, there’s no reason to debate it if it’s fact, right? And I think that a wave of feminist STEM-major women have come in about the last 5 years, and you could absolutely argue that this generation of women are making workplace sexism go away at least on paper. And I really think that it’s mostly sexism, or some sort of sexism of attitude in older generations, that causes the wage gap. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t need changing, though. Sources would be lovely, please! This comment was really fairl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 10:27 PM
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Sure to all that stuff, although I still hold that you can’t make up a mathematical equation that determines sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 07:46 PM
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Listen, I have no idea how having a kid works, so I’m just gonna take your word. Then yeah, I guess both should get leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 07:36 PM
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Yeah, and yeah, although while there isn’t specific proof of a bunch of employers coming out and saying “we pay wimmen less cuz they dumb lol”, I think that the explanation that makes the most historical sense is that sexism exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 04:40 PM
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The best way for it to be changed is to look at individual employers and check the wages of everyone with the same title as you. If it would be generally agreed that a person deserves more wages than another person, it stays the same, but if it needs changing, then change it. Edit- that’s how it should happen. This solution won’t happen irl of course even if it should.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 04:38 PM
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No, I said that I wouldn’t take it (consider it meant)that way. And sexual harassment is when someone makes someone else uncomfortable or upset through sexual connotations or means, weather it was intended that way or not. You can accidentally harass someone, so why can’t you accidentally sexually harass someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 04:35 PM
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No. I said that I wouldn’t take it that way. If she felt harassed, then it was harassment, even if unintentional. It doesn’t matter if he didn’t mean it, it’s still harassment. Now, you could say that his point of view matters in the court, or that the fact he meant it as a prank and nothing more makes it a little morally better, but it’s still harassment. And making a woman upset or uncomfortable through sexual connotations or means is sexual harassment, even if unintended. I hope I made myself…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 04:33 PM
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Exactly- you can’t accurately control for it. And yeah,a huge part of the difference between the 79% and the 90~% stats are work hours. I meant more among the lines of “men work harder per hour”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 03:22 PM
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I wouldn’t consider it that way, but according to OP, she was upset, so you have to think that she thought it was. The big deal on this one is her perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 03:05 PM
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so called studies So now you’re not even trusting the researchers anymore? And what other way would it be possible for there to be a gender wage gap in the first place, if places of employment didn’t give female employees less wages?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 03:04 PM
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See, this is why I fucking hate AWALT. Just because something is slightly more biologically likely doesn’t mean that it’s always gonna happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 02:38 PM
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Yeah, the jokes are pretty shit in my opinion but the information is extremely solid
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 02:35 PM
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Which is objectively wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:53 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:52 PM
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Which means: Whenever we add some adjustment, it decreases. I.e. approaches 0%. You’re making it sound less significant than it is. When you’re talking large wages, it can make a difference of hundreds of thousands, and for small wages, it can make a difference between being able to pay rent this month and getting kicked out. Also, what else could you possibly adjust for? In this case, it will be fruitless (or “unfair”/bad faith) to discuss “the gap” without also discussing who controls spending…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:42 PM
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Yeah, but what else could you possibly accurately control for? And I would argue that it’s at least partially because of sexism because of how recently women were considered people, or equal to men, in history. And I’ve seen no proof that it’s something like “men work harder” or the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:38 PM
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It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone who takes time off (e.g. maternity leave) will likely not…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:35 PM
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Still just for one job, even if all of what you said is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:34 PM
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I mean, people would literally have the choice of having the girl or the guy (assuming a straight relationship) being the stayathome, yeah? And thanks, that’s interesting and a good thing for me to keep in mind <3
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:33 PM
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Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:31 PM
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That’s fair enough, but the choice always being offered is the important bit, right? Also, I’d love to see where you got that statistic from!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:39 PM
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I find it interesting that you looked at this study which suggests that the more corrections are applied for non-gender factors, the further the "gender" pay gap shrinks, and conclude that it confirms that a gender wage gap exists. Uh, yeah? The study confirms that the pay gap exists EVEN WHEN adjusted. That’s bad. The corrections applied are the easy ones (hours worked, profession, experience, training, etc.) These things can be cleanly documented in a quantitative way. What about factors that …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:37 PM
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Uh, yes? If a guy is being aggressive in a sexual manner to a girl and she’s upset, that’s sexual harassment... just because it’s unintentional doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:05 PM
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There’s really only one good reason-An individual woman does worse work. And the employer does, I guess. First of all, you need a male porn star for every female porn star if you’re having one-on-one sex. Then, you have gangbangs and gay porn. Plenty of people watch that. I would be happy to accept that male porn stars get paid less because more guys want to be porn stars, but you can’t say that less people want to see guys fuck. How much someone gets paid isn't just arbitrarily decided by some …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:02 PM
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So what if it’s an economic fact? Doesn’t mean it isn’t still stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 11:54 AM
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So, just because one source says something about one particular job, it means the wage gap is justified across the board?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 11:53 AM
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Adjusted...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 11:50 AM
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Sure, but that distinction would be made within employers, right? If 30 women and 30 men work in the hills clinic and the women are paid a little less for no reason, doesn’t that mean the same thing as 100 women and 100 men surveyed and the women are paid a little less?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 11:48 AM
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Sure, but even a 10% pay gap is really significant, and in the industries where there’s a pay gap, it still needs changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 11:40 AM
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There are several types of nursing degrees. Licensed Practical Nursing is a one-year major. The average salary is 43,170 usd. The associate’s degree in nursing is called a ADN. If you don’t pass the certification examination, it doesn’t matter if you have the ADN or not, because you don’t have the title of registered nurse. A registered nurse is someone who got their ADN and passed the exam. Their salary is 67,490 usd. I could go on talking about the different types of nursing degrees, but I’m s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 11:39 AM
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Good for your son and wife, that’s honestly fucking sweet, but there’s no need to randomly insert it into the conversation, yeah? And the choices that the gynecologist made don’t matter on this one. The survey isn’t about how their salary came to be, it’s about what their salary is and how it compares to other people’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 06:57 PM
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... “How much do you get paid?” “Uh, 420 dollars every 69 hours.” “What’s your job?” “Gynecologist.” “How many hours do you work a week?” “666.” Seems pretty damn simple to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 06:21 PM
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But the studies themselves weren’t done by social scientists...? They were quite simply surveys. Recording the results of surveys is pretty damn simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 06:13 PM
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Just saying three random words together like “pickle amazon foot” or “the real world” aren’t proof, they’re anecdote. And if people have the same job titles, they’re more likely to have similar pay. For instance, registered nurses get more pay than non-registered nurses, and all you need to get that title is to take an arbitrary test.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 06:12 PM
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Not an earnings gap, a wage gap. That’s what the post was talking about. And sure, averages have their limitations, but this one seems to be fairly accurate, as far as these things go.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 06:09 PM
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We should care that there’s a wage gap because it means that half the workforce is paid more than the other half for no good reason. And sure, if there’s a wage gap for male porn stars, that should be fixed. I would argue that it would be hard to measure in that particular profession, though, because pay is per video instead of per hour.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 06:08 PM
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Bloody hell. It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone who takes time off (e.g. maternity leave) wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 06:06 PM
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Since when was “nurse” a gender-based title? Also, I call bullshit on nurses making good money. If you aren’t regestered, the pay is pretty shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 06:05 PM
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I love all of this. But honestly, I don’t know if there should be paternal leave for both parents, at least not if their working hours leave the weekends and the evenings. It’s been proven time and time again that one parent can take care of a kid, even when they can’t take breaks. The leave shouldn’t be gender-specific, but I don’t know if it should be for both parents (or more, if that’s your kink).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 06:02 PM
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You could make the argument that feminism isn’t an “underdog” anymore and I would agree, but you can’t say that feminism’s victory is guaranteed somehow just because it’s become popular in certain western groups. Feminism is actually loosing ground in the areas of having a sexist US President and Congress, meaning that harmful laws are plenty more likely to come to pass now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 05:59 PM
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Strawman. Just because something is bad doesn’t mean it’s as bad as the Nazis. Remember, you were the one who brought them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 05:52 PM
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If you are severely pressured and guiltripped into sucking someone’s dick, is that fully your fault? Partially, sure, but part of the blame also rests on the person who made you feel shitty enough to do whatever they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 11:06 AM
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The data in the meta is from many studies, while the one you presented was just the one. Also, consulting firms’ data isn’t really to be trusted, cuz they could easily alter it for profit without anyone knowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 11:04 AM
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For fuck’s sake. What if you’re scared that someone is gonna hurt you if you don’t have sex with them? Would that mean that the woman wants to have sex with the threatening person? Just because you say yes to sex doesn’t mean that you actually want sex. What if you feel obligated to have sex, like you feel obligated to go to work, and take care of your parents?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 11:02 AM
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Yeah, you should feel guilty for bringing that up, because it’s racist and untrue. And they obviously have a loewr IQ because these aboriginals weren’t given formal schooling. You can’t compare someone who went to high school and someone who didn’t go and say that it’s because of their race.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 11:00 AM
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Tell that to the women who are scared to walk at night without a whistle.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:57 AM
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But your average dude was able to live on his own, at least. Able to earn money, etc. And that’s irrelevant, too, because it doesn’t matter when someone else got the vote in this conversation, just when the when women did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:56 AM
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So bullying someone into sex isn’t sexual harassment? I dunno, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:53 AM
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The data they used was from a consulting firm.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:52 AM
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Businesses don't care about what happens in 50 years, because if they do, they'll get run out of operation by other businesses that don't. And that’s really stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:49 AM
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Ugh. It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone who takes time off (e.g. maternity leave) will likel…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:48 AM
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Yup! It was bullying of a sexual nature that caused the girl to become upset. That is sexual harassment, although since it was only the one instance of it, I imagine it doesn’t matter too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:46 AM
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ample evidence No, you haven’t, I’ve already explained this. If you cannot prove that personality and wages are related, that means they are not related. And you have not given me any non-paywalled studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:44 AM
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https://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/cause.html
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:41 AM
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Yes. And Doris Weichselbaumer is a woman and has a vested interest in muh wage gap narrative. Sources always have limited reliability; I chose Hay group's paper because it covers a wide variety of nations. Sure, but my source, while not 100% reliable, is more reliable than yours. Following 450 kids for 30 years costs money. Longitudinal studies very often - not always, but very often - have sub-10k and often sub-1k samples. No shit. Doesn’t mean that they’re any more accurate, though. And since …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 03:27 AM
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Sure, but that’s a side case. And I don’t know exactly how this would work, but wouldn’t that have the asterisks of “vice president of x” to get away with doing different jobs with the same title? And the “guys choose harder jobs” thing is irrelevant here, because the meta that I posted compensated for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 03:00 AM
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Yeah, that’s too bad. Sexual harassment? Sure. Sexual assault? No way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:55 AM
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OMEGALUL
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:51 AM
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Link me the study that supports the claim that you need a study to explain this. Then we can talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:39 AM
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That’s incorrect. I made the claim that a wage gap exists. You made the claim that personality matters with wage. You’ve given no proof of that. Therefore, there is no relation between the two. Please try to think what I’m saying through, instead of repeating the same shit over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:38 AM
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If you just go into the comments of this thread, you will see that I have explained why personality doesn’t matter in wage. They’re right there. And I can’t refute your claims if you don’t give me all the information you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:35 AM
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You’re right, I haven’t. Because I can’t read the study. I don’t know if it strongly suggests anything. Also, if you really spent the money on getting past the paywall, it would be great if you could post the study here so I can see it and refute faulty claims (if there are any.)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:34 AM
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Sometimes, I question myself. The study, which you would know if you read it, was mainly concerned with the methodology that each individual underlying study used. It was trying to make a separation between the bad stats that made the wage gap more like 80% and the good stats that took all information into account that ended up more like 92%z
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:32 AM
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Interesting, thank you. A couple important notes- First study. The sample size, while randomly selected, had a skewed number of girls and guys. That could mean that the guys’ data is bad. It seems unlikely, but certainly a possibility. While women were less likely to initiate negotiations if the ad said nothing about them, they were just as likely as men to negotiate if the advert mentioned negotiation- However, when the job description explicitly mentioned that wages were negotiable, this diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:29 AM
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I have read all the links, just not in the order you want me to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:08 AM
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You mean the one that I’ve said is paywalled a bunch of times?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:08 AM
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I have explained several times that if there isn’t proof that something is related to something else, then that means it isn’t related. That’s how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:07 AM
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I’ve already explained several times why personality doesn’t matter in wage. You just won’t listen. And my counter-analysis is that you have given no good sources to support that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:06 AM
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Yeah, it’s not only stupid, it’s really fucking stupid. So, if you somehow manage to work that long and hard for a year, which is assuming you have nobody to take care of and are living on your own, and you find a cheap apartment and food is cheap and whatever else, say you can save 10k. That isn’t gonna get you anywhere, not if you want a house or to be able to not work. Also, what if you’re not given any promotions, even if you work your ass off? Also, you need college degrees to get high-pay …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:05 AM
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I can’t very well talk about a meta when I can’t see the meta, now can I?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:50 AM
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Also, we were talking about the 163 study IN THIS THREAD.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:47 AM
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Well, you can’t expect me to bloody be able to keep everything straight when you’re talking to me in 30 threads at a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:45 AM
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I already explained why I don’t need to, several times.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:44 AM
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It can, but it doesn’t always.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:43 AM
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No, it has a relationship with personality, and personality has a relationship with what job you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:43 AM
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I’d love to see the article, if you have it. And just proof in general. Also, you’re arguing about something I’m not arguing about. I said that the wage gap exists, and it’s about this much, and then you said “here’s the reason why”. I never gave a reason why- I just said it existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:40 AM
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And absolutely, it can be both, but you randomly jumping from one argument to another is certainly not helping your case, along with the fact that not every man pays the expenses that a divorced man does. Listen, I don’t know what you’ve been through, but it’s really a bad idea to take that out on the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:37 AM
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Give me a ducking break, that 8% you're bitching and moaning about is absolutely dwarfed by the taxes, dinners, dates, alimony, and child support men pay, so cry me a fucking river. You're a member of the most over coddled demographic that has ever had the pleasure of life on this planet. Life isn't fair, so you want men to pay for that, too. What a fucking surprise. You can't know how shallow you sound right now, because solipsism is so engrained in female nature that if you feel something and …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:34 AM
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Do I really have to format this in such a specific way for you to understand it? Fine. You need a sample size of greater than 163 people to determine a conclusive result. There are 137 million people in the United States. Let’s take, oh, transgender people. Trans people make up .3 percent of the population. 137,000,000 times .003 makes 411,000. That is a tiny portion of the population. 163 is .000119% of the population. Barely anything at all. NOT a proper sample size, especially considering tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:31 AM
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Guess I’ll say this again. I have a hard time believing that you really think all this. You have not given me any proof that personality and wealth are related therefore Personality and income are not related therefore Personality doesn’t matter when looking at financial statistics therefore Personality doesn’t matter when looking at the wage gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:21 AM
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WiThOuT oIl ThErE iS nO pRoGrEsS Renewable energy technology and stocks have been growing by leaps and bounds. https://www.google.com/amp/s/oilprice.com/Finance/the-Markets/Clean-Energy-Stocks-Outperform-Oil-And-Gas.amp.html Brazil has a shitty, unstable economy that is based a lot on oil. The Brazilian government-owned Brazil Oil is the source of a whole lot of income for the country. And yeah, the price per gallon is a whole lot better, when there isn’t an economic crisis and a bad year for su…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:20 AM
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You can’t draw conclusions about biology or philosophy just off of what Sam from Economics 101 told you about the way things work.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:07 AM
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Yup. It’s true. It’s only been about a hundred years since women got the vote in America, in ‘20. That’s nothing compared to the rest of human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:05 AM
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First off, it isn’t randomly selected people. It’s male graduates of Harvard. I feel like you’re not even reading what I’m saying. Honey, if you think that 163 is enough to draw a strong conclusion from, then you might want to take a break from playing temple run in Statistics 101 and actually listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:03 AM
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And the quote that I used said that they don’t know if gender matters to self-construal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:59 AM
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??? I don’t know what to say... Even if you think 163 is enough (which it isn’t) there are still all these other things that make the study untrustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:58 AM
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You don’t need another fucking study to show you why a source is flawed. All you need to do is look at the thing and see if it’s up to standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:56 AM
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The first study has a paywall... Quote from the second study- The current theories are unclear about the nature of cultural and gender differences in self-construal. Self-constual- wether you value yourself using parameters set up by yourself or by society. In other words, how individualist you are in defining your self-worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:55 AM
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And I’ve already said why it’s flawed enough to be untrustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:49 AM
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The study you linked had an extremely small sample size of 163, meaning that it could be biased one way or another. Also, they’re all men, and they’re all Harvard graduates. That has “skewed” written all over it. If it’s really “pretty well-studied”, then you would be able to show me a study that has a bigger sample size and also uses a dubious method of measuring personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:48 AM
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I have a hard time believing that you really think all this. You have not given me any proof that personality and wealth are related therefore Personality and income are not related therefore Personality doesn’t matter when looking at financial statistics therefore Personality doesn’t matter when looking at the wage gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:44 AM
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Good for you. So use some of that knowledge and enlighten me and my inferior, libtard mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:41 AM
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After a certain point, you stopped talking to me in an engaging way and started insulting me. You can’t prove that it’s a good idea for companies to fuck up the environment, so you just gave up and went for the personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:40 AM
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You have given no proof that personality it a factor in income, just that it’s a factor in job choice. And any idiot, including me, could tell you that one without looking it up on google scholar. And I‘m damn sick of you treating T as this godlike be all end all that determines everything about you. Humans are more complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:35 AM
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Who said that personality doesn’t differ between genders? Certainly not me. At least read my arguments. And I don’t need to give you any studies that prove personality is a factor “in come”. If there isn’t any proof that personality and wealth are correlated, that means that they aren’t correlated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:32 AM
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I live to entertain lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:28 AM
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Well, a refusal to engage in serious argument suggests more of a lack of knowledge than my comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:27 AM
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Sorry, I’m not too good at telling jokes apart from serious political stances. They seem to be pretty confused these days...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:23 AM
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Both are demonstrably untrue. You have given no proof of that. Just some studies that you looked up on Google Scholar and figured would help your case.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:21 AM
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You have to purchase that to read it, and I’m not just gonna go off of some randomass’ study that I can’t even read.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:19 AM
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That’s in response... to your own comment? Please organize your arguments so even an idiot like me can understand. Cuz right now, I’m having a time of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:16 AM
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Proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:14 AM
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You saw me, guy. Nice words with nothing of substance inside them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:13 AM
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Again, that’s some Wall Street asshole jabbering, not a study
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:12 AM
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Double link.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:11 AM
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That article is about the jobs people choose and gender differences within that, not wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:11 AM
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Speculation is all well and good. Wait, it isn’t, not without proof backing it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:10 AM
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It even says in the title of the article that wealth reduces compassion, not the other way around. And compassion and generosity are two different things- one is a “feelings” term, and then other is a money term.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:07 AM
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That study is about how testosterone affects cooperation. Try again, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:06 AM
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Lovely rhetoric, guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:58 PM
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The study is about “decreasing generosity”, not wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:56 PM
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You have some book by some Wall Street motherfucker that I can’t read. That ain’t proof. Maybe get some quotes or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:54 PM
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No, dumbass, you do. I’m not talking about the bloody fucking trees, I’m talking about being able to breathe the goddamn air, and drink water, and not having Florida be a fucking Atlantis. If those things happen, and they will if we stay on this path, it would be pretty goddamn hard to do any type of business.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:50 PM
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Hay group is a consulting firm. Research done by a consulting firm itself is often inaccurate. A reddit post from a biased source isn’t proof, and the experiment had only 450 kids in it. Also, they weren’t kids from a varied group, they were just “gifted” kids. Needs to be a large, complete sample size. What wage gap statistic were you using for that last paragraph? There were three different ones. Also, I’m no statistician, but these guys seem to think that particular method is flawed. http://w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:48 PM
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Insults are my favourites, because they always end up backing up my argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:30 PM
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It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone who takes time off (e.g. maternity leave) will likely not…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:29 PM
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Ugh. the latest study I saw Link? Where the fuck did the abstract say it was irrelevant? It actually mentioned how many resources were used for the meta. Why would they use all those resources if it’s “irrelevant”?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:27 PM
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sigh. Adjusted stats mean that everything’s adjusted, including the amount of hours they work. And yeah, that “an average” is correct. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be supporting it so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:24 PM
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Except that’s pretty closely what investing in the environment is- it’s giving money to make sure you’ll do business in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:22 PM
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Yes, I made a dumb mistake, so I’m moving to fix that. Business is still generally stupid, but the evidence I used for that argument was also stupid. My apologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:19 PM
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False equivalency. Buying a gym membership doesn’t ruin your life, entangle you with some asshole potentially for years, or at worst traumatize you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:18 PM
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Yes, but even within the ““lesser”” jobs, women get paid less. That’s what the analysis that I linked in the op is about. Also, I’m not really a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:15 PM
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Yeah, that mistake was pretty funny tbh, but it doesn’t mean that my argument is suddenly invalid
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:14 PM
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This meta showed that there’s no correlation between basal testosterone and leadership positions, which is actually the opposite of your argument. And it never says anything about men with higher t making more money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:13 PM
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Proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:09 PM
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Flip that on its head- why is it relevant to income? If it isn’t relevant, it’s irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:07 PM
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Do you have any non-anecdotal proof that women take benefits over actual pay? Sure, your line of reasoning sounds fine, but it doesn’t mean that the pay gap doesn’t exist, it’s just reasoning behind why it exists. All I said in OP is that it exists. And about the women directing spending thing- don’t lots of married couples have joint bank accounts? That would account for her car and her house- it isn’t actually hers, it’s theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 10:16 PM
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“Evidence is evidence for nothing.” So, the pay of women and the pay of men for the same jobs lined up together isn’t proof? You’re on your own there, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 10:11 PM
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You mean that the wage gap doesn’t exist? The analysis in the OP proves beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise. And no, I don’t think sexism in the workplace exists because of bloody confirmation bias, but because of sexual harassment in the workplace mainly happening to women from men, and anecdotal evidence that doesn’t prove anything on paper but means there’s at least sexism in x workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 10:06 PM
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Sure, but it’s the job titles that mainly determine pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 10:02 PM
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That’s both impossible and irrelevant. People over 50 have different levels of testosterone than younguns, right? So one must be more ambitious, and therefore get paid more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:59 PM
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I’m sick of saying this, but proof? Also, how would you even measure that? Measures of personality are shitty and often incorrect as is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:56 PM
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Yeah, I pretty much agree to that lol. And apparently women in their 20s are out earning too, although I did just glance at some headlines for that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:55 PM
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sigh. For #1- le copypaste response. It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone who takes time off (…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:49 PM
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Completely agreed. And I would personally argue that this wage gap is because of sexism. The basis is that women have basically just started working and being respected as full people, and society doesn’t like change too much. I can’t ever give definite proof of that, but I figure it’s close enough to be at least a relevant theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:43 PM
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Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:40 PM
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Yeah, your mom. GOTTEM
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:37 PM
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Proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:34 PM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:34 PM
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Just saying “lol, nope” isn’t convincing anyone of anything. This is a debate sub, right? I’m interested in your opinion!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:33 PM
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Agreed. And the analysis I talked about in the OP weighted different studies by how their findings came to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:32 PM
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LMAOOO Also, I agree with everything you said, although I think that it’s a little more subtle than “all women are this way” and “all men are this way”. I figure that’s not what you’re saying, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:31 PM
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So? This isn’t about why there’s a wage gap, it’s about THERE IS a wage gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:28 PM
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Yeah, it’s maximizing profits. How can you make profits if you’re constantly getting sued, or worse, everyone’s dead cuz they can’t breathe?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:27 PM
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Proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:25 PM
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I’ve read the studies, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:24 PM
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I dunno if you’ve thought about this one before, but talking about this stuff with coworkers could make sure that, for instance, the women aren’t paid less than the men, or at least not without reason. It personally leads me to believe that this social habit was created by the big companies back in the day when you could get fired for asking about a raise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:23 PM
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That’s not what I’m saying at all. First of all, the 79% statistic is incorrect, and the study I referenced said that. And I don’t see too much of a point to talking about the wage gap in each specific job. If there’s a particular job that has little to no wage gap, great, but there’s a lot more that still have that issue. Also, here’s an article about the wage gap in the US specifically. https://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-77-cent-exaggeration/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:20 PM
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So first you say that the 8% doesn’t matter, and then you say that it’s dwarved by the expenses that divorced men have to pay. Which one is it? You have no idea how old I am. Yeah, life isn’t fair. It’s not any man’s job to make that better for me. You really don’t know me specifically if you can say that. What, so it’s shallow to want a better life for yourself and everyone who’s treated unfairly? Nice. Who says my feelings are hurt? I don’t have to give a damn about your opinion. And tell that…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:14 PM
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I agree that you can’t prove it, but there are plenty of reasons to believe that it’s because of sexism, and few to believe otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:04 PM
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This whole situation is made up. She could’ve been flirting, but in a situation like this, it’s just as likely (if not more) that she wasn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:02 PM
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Do you realize how stupid that sounds, and how degrading that would be to your mental health? Let’s say that you get all those hours in the first place, and your workplace works like that. Fine. You won’t possibly be able to get an education. Humans need leisure hours. Otherwise, we’d go insane. And “you’ll be out of it soon”? That would be hilarious, if it weren’t such a sad situation. If you’re working a minimum wage job, you’re not gonna be able to save much money. You’d need next to all of i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:01 PM
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You could absolutely say that. the use of guilt for sex is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:51 PM
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Keep the insults coming, they totally count as reasonable and well-researched arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:50 PM
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Not Necessarily. She could’ve not wanted to have sex, just wanted the asking to stop. What if this guy has anger issues? She could very well be scared, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:24 PM
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Obviously not the only ones, but the most relevant ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:22 PM
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Not if you have to work to keep your apartment. Condoms aren’t foolproof, and of course I’m gonna say that. You probably wouldn’t be happy if people made you feel guilty for having sex. So what, it’s just a coincidence that black people live in worse neighborhoods and are generally poorer? It’s just a coincidence that the alt-right have political support? Please get off your bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:21 PM
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Because firms aren’t as good at planning for future profits Aka, stupid. My argument is that business are stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:16 PM
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That’s dumb. “Uh, because... it is! That’s why!”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:15 PM
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It is assumed that she says no the first 19 times. Even if she didn’t specifically say no, it’s still dumb to ask over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:14 PM
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Of-fucking-course. Why on earth wouldn’t I? Lies are lies, and it also really undermines the truth of the matter so people (right-wing youtubers) can call the left a bunch of SJW liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:12 PM
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So how exactly does this wage gap manifest? An interesting conversation, but not what my post was about. Also, we have metrics to suggest that women out earn men out of college. Where is your outcry for a male wage gap? I’d love to see sources, if you have some.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:10 PM
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My source that I used says something like 10%, actually. And plenty of people just on this post have said there’s no wage gap. Yes, men on average make ENORMOUSLY better workers than women Proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:09 PM
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my experience Anecdotal. Also, the minimum wage per year adds up to 15,080. 8% of that is 1,206. That’s a month’s rent, or a year’s food for like 2 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:06 PM
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So what if you can “emotional undermined” a woman? That has nothing to do with the fact that women get payed less.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:56 PM
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That’s your prerogative, although I would argue it just makes you look stupid and invalid. Whatever, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:54 PM
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Thanks for the insults, keep it coming. Really helps your case. And yes, future profits and immediate savings are different. So what? You’re not saying why it’s a smart decision to put millions of dollars in future profit on the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:52 PM
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Yup, I’m citing Wikipedia! No different than citing articles that link to primary sources. And citing Wikipedia in particular proves just how common this knowledge is. And it’s a lazy and shitty way of debating an issue to ask one question over and over. I would be happy to see those studies. Please link me to them! And I’m not asking the question WHY there’s a wage gap, I’m saying that there IS a wage gap, that the wage gap exists. Plenty people deny that. And what proof can you cite that in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:51 PM
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Their job titles?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:44 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:44 PM
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Yeah, so don’t do it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:27 PM
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Completely agreed, and I think that’s a really important and interesting discussion. I’d personally argue that it’s because capitalism values the less important jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:24 PM
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I don’t matter in this situation, but the statistics do. And the statistics show that women earn less for the same work. You could say that the reason women earn less is “workplace ambition”, but you can’t control for it because it’s anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:23 PM
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get the actual studies What the hell do you think I quoted in the original post?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:21 PM
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Ok, bad example. That one’s on me. So here’s another one- why do businesses do things like pollute when it hurts their future profit? That’s dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:20 PM
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A response just to this comment by u/toronto87. There is not a general trend of women earning less per hour for the same jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:19 PM
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People don’t care about it enough, and there’s a societal stigma on talking to your coworkers about your wages.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:17 PM
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8% of 60,000 is 4,500. How’s that not a big deal?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:16 PM
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So, let’s all fix it and not oversimplify, so we can fix the problem. Saying that “oh it’s ok to do it cuz they did it” is a bad argument. Be the better person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:15 PM
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Oh, for fucks sake. That’s what the page was talking about itself, if you cared to read it. It talks about the adjusted wage gap. Women get payed less for the same jobs and the same amount of work than men- simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:13 PM
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“Workplace ambition” doesn’t matter here. Why would it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:11 PM
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The research? The studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:10 PM
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It’s creepy, but it’s only creepy because the female nipple is sexualized in my mind, no matter how hard I try. If they aren’t uncomfortable, then cheers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:09 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fool.com/amp/investing/2018/06/01/why-oil-and-gas-stocks-are-slumping-today.aspx
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:07 PM
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No. If the same question is asked over and over, then I’m gonna give the same answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:04 PM
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That’s what everything shows, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:03 PM
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Anecdotal, and therefore a bad argument. Would love to hear something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:02 PM
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No, but it is sexual harassment, and if she didn’t want to have sex (even if she said yes to get you to shut up) you’re an absolute dickbag.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:00 PM
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Sure. But even when adjusted, there is still a pay gap. It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:58 PM
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Wow, I’m sorry. That one is 100% on me. Have a good day, and try to ignore my dumb ass. I’m deleting that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:57 PM
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Well, I watched the video. (Damn, that guy’s voice is annoying.) My general response is that yes, women earning 94 cents on the dollar is still bad, and leads one to think that it’s because of sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:55 PM
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Ugh. It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone who takes time off (e.g. maternity leave) will likel…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:53 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:52 PM
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Nope. There is a gender wage gap in the US, even when adjusted. This type of response leads one to wonder if you even do your own research. A simple glance at the Wikipedia page says that women earn 94 cents on the dollar. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap_in_the_United_States
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:51 PM
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Yeah, well, businesses are stupid as shit. Why do oil business try to hang on, even as their profit are fading? Stupidity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:47 PM
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That’s great, but unrelated to what I was saying. There is a general trend of women earning the less per hour for the same jobs that men do, and people deny that, and they shouldn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:45 PM
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It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone who takes time off (e.g. maternity leave) will likely not…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:44 PM
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It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone who takes time off (e.g. maternity leave) will likely not…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:43 PM
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It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone who takes time off (e.g. maternity leave) will likely not…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:43 PM
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It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone who takes time off (e.g. maternity leave) will likely not…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:43 PM
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Oh, for fuck’s sake. It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone who takes time off (e.g. maternity l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:42 PM
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I’ve heard lots of people talk about how there’s only a “wage earnings gap” when that’s objectively not the case. I agree that that discussion is entirely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:40 PM
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Yes, that is exactly what it is about. It also proves the existence of the wage gap, and explains it in further detail. Some people deny its existence at all, and I’m saying that shouldn’t be a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:38 PM
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What? I told you why those sources were either not about what you were talking about, or not to be trusted, or incorrect. That is not cherrypicking, that’s taking each source as a whole and seeing its validity. And I still don’t understand how you could possibly say that I’m whataboutisming. What am I doing that to? Your argument make zero sense on this one, and I think you know that. By saying that, you’re making it sound like I’m somehow mocking or invalidating kids who have been abused, when …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:36 PM
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Cool. If you have some qualifying statements behind that, I would love to hear them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:29 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:28 PM
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thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:28 PM
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... No? The pay gap is when women are paid less for the same job when they work the same hours. That’s what it is. And studies show that it exists, including all of the studies in the analysis I linked you to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:28 PM
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Anyone can make it if they try hard enough. Anyone can make it if they try hard enough. Anyone can make it if they try hard enough. Not if you can’t afford college. Not if you have kids and can’t get a living wage for just yourself. Not with institutional racism and sexism. “It’s a lovely idea. But it doesn’t work.”- poe
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 06:13 PM
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Sorry, what’s a SAHM?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:58 PM
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Definition of whataboutism- (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.“ I never did that. I took the sources you yourself gave me and said why some of them were inaccurate. I never said that you were hypocritical- I said that your sources were incorrect. Defini…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:56 PM
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In a smaller form, and pay was higher per person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:37 PM
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Another one of you guys? Well, here you go. It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, someone who takes tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:35 PM
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Doesn't work that way More like shouldn’t work that way tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:14 PM
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Capitalism is nothing more than individuals making their own economic choices free of restriction from authority, allowing themself to pursue their passions and apply their aptitudes for the sake of self-actualization, economic and otherwise. Ok, then why are there people who can’t do what they want, and people who can’t pursue their passions? Capitalism is an objective failure at providing the freedoms it promises. And I completely agree that feminism isn’t inherently part of an economic ideolo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:12 PM
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Yeah, this article is really r/thathappened. And you don’t really need to be “serving two masters” to get the wage gap closed. Women who work the same jobs as men for the same amount of hours should be paid the same. Pretty damn simple, if you ask me. The hard part would be creating policy that makes it happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:07 PM
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Socialist reforms and a rejection of femininity (with it's desire to raise a family while being a present mother) are necessary to completely eliminate the pay-gap. Therefore, feminism is at odds with capitalism and femininity. Nope. All you need to do to close the pay gap is give women the same wages per hour that men do. Easy as that. Nothing to do with motherhood or whatever the fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:04 PM
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lifestyle choice is giving me Vietnam flashbacks about homophobia. And here is an article that talks about what you’re talking about. There are people who have done adjusted wage gap research. https://money.cnn.com/2015/04/13/news/economy/equal-pay-day-2015/index.html And here’s a really brilliant meta-data analysis of gender wage gap studies from the 60s to the 90s. Spoiler- they always find a wage gap. Always. https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/73202/1/wp0311.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:00 PM
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Well, for fuck’s sake, saying something objectively wrong to troll someone for no reason isn’t being honest, it’s being stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 04:50 PM
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This is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 04:19 PM
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Kind of. I think the theory has a little truth in it, but I also think it’s goddamn obvious that women aren’t exploitative by nature and can actually have romantic feelings for someone who isn’t 6 foot 6. Shades of grey exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 03:09 PM
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So, if half the workforce up and left, the economy would be absolutely fine? That is... well, objectively untrue, for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 03:01 PM
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Source 1- That study is only on older women and older men. It doesn’t involve the entire population, and therefore, it can’t be used as a predictor for all behavior of women. Also, a study from the same source puts in doubt the universality of the Five Factor thing- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4104167/ Source 2- Seems legitimate and is also vaugely interesting. Source 3- An extremely interesting read and a great study behind it- I always appreciate a large sample size. However, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 03:00 PM
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“Race science,” the old idea that race is a biologically causal trait, may live on as an ideology of hate. But as an academic matter, it’s been discredited. We now know that genes flow between populations as they do between families, blurring racial categories and reshuffling human diversity. Genetic patterns can be found within groups, as in the case of prostate cancer. But even then, as Ian Holmes notes in the Atlantic, the patterns correlate with ancestry or population, not race. https://www.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 12:12 PM
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Cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 12:05 PM
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uh, no? that’s not how it works... people can have motivation outside of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 12:04 PM
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No, they weren’t dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 12:03 PM
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Yeah, that’s how research and science works... I’m not saying that all cures are just one lady doing all the work- all science involves hundreds of people working constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 02:50 AM
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I’d love to hear something you have to say that isn’t trying to intentionally get me pissed!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 02:47 AM
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I did say the metaphorical food, not the literal food. Any woman with a job in the US can go out and buy a loaf of bread without being blocked by a guy. So, half the workforce just isn’t useful? That’s both objectively wrong and really insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 02:46 AM
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Yup, that’s exactly what I’m saying. I don’t think that fanboys of boxing would actually pay for the training, either. The draw of boxing is watching people get hurt, not getting hurt yourself. Here’s a professional, good white boxer- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Kovalev_(boxer)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 02:42 AM
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Well yeah of course, iq is extremely flawed
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 02:36 AM
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... never underestimate my stupidity. I legit thought that was what he was talking about. Also, “those things are not equal” and “these things are the same”? those sentences mean different things. If you don’t want to confuse my dumb ass in a thread literally about word specificity, you might want to make sure you’re using the right terms. Also, I made myself clear in other responses and apologized for incompetence. What else can I do?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:33 PM
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Blueish purple, because it doesn’t innately encourage people to hate themselves or others. It can lead to hate, but unlike rp, hate isn’t embedded in its philosophy. There’s a little red in there to keep it real- yes, attractive people have it easier, that’s just a fact, and I think some bps have a hard time with that. Wish it weren’t so, but it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:25 PM
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I don’t know if you saw what I said about exactly that. I think it was even in a response to you. One person said something about how that person was only talking about literal building, and I agreed with him and tried to prove the original responder that his point about literal construction was wrong (and it was.) Sure, but there’s proof that sexism exist and there’s not proof that men are better at their jobs than women. Blah blah correct me if I’m wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 05:10 PM
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You would bet, but is it fact? Also, here’s an article saying the opposite. I don’t know if it’s to be fully trusted, though- it never links to the studies that they talk about, even though they have some quotes from some research company. https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/why-you-may-not-be-paying-your-employees-as-fairly-as-you-think.html
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:59 PM
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Who said critical thinking is bullshit? Certainly not me, or at least that wasn’t my intention. I’m saying that bias and sexism are bullshit. And that was kinda accusatory, my apologies. But we aren’t in “nature”, are we? In the modern western world, men don’t control the metaphorical food, so men aren’t dominant over women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:50 PM
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This situation isn’t a confirmation bias deal. I looked up women in construction, found that it was x ammt of people, and then linked to a source that confirmed it. At the time, I thought that was the only thing we were talking about, and there was no need to know the breakdown of what particular sector of construction they worked in. Not confirmation bias at all. Just somewhat sloppy research. And maybes don’t prove anything, right? They’re interesting enough to think about, but when there’s no…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:41 PM
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Honestly? I didn’t think that I would need to read through that one entirely. I just thought I would need that particular stat and that’s it. That’s on me, my apologies. Thanks for checking me. That still doesn’t prove your stat about men being better at sales. Please do better on this one than I did lol Edit- Also, since it’s sales and office, couldn’t that mean more of a receptionist job, too? And also, wouldn’t all of these jobs be in _ per hour or __ per year format? I thought that sales bon…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:29 PM
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good bot this is a time when I wish I could draw
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:22 PM
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On the surface, people with higher intelligence scores also had greater wealth. The median net worth for people with an IQ of 120 was almost $128,000 compared with $58,000 for those with an IQ of 100. 20 points is a pretty big deal, yeah? And I can see what you’re getting at there, but there just simply aren’t enormous physical differences between different races of humans, unlike different breeds of dogs. You don’t see people with, idunno, squashed-ass noses walking around, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:21 PM
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Right, but what he typed and what he meant were different. I’m pretty sure that I understand what everyone means at this point. Have a great day <3
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:15 PM
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wymyn OMEGALUL
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:13 PM
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Awesome article, thank you. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it didn’t talk about the effects of environment on intelligence, right? That article just proves that inherentence has to do with intelligence, not that it wholly makes up your intellect. And just off the top of my head, I can tell you that richer kids are much, much smarter than poor kids. Also, the dog comparison doesn’t work here, I think. Dogs were specifically breeded by humans to get a result, right? But humans weren’t breeded and in…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:12 PM
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Correct me if I’m wrong, please. I will fully admit that I didn’t look at that link past the main bit that said the stuff about women in construction, but it didn’t say anything about sales that I saw. Not every job is a sales job, right? And I don’t know about the particulars of a construction job, but I thought that was more building shit than selling stuff. Also, a source to that would be great! <3
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:05 PM
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Haven’t read the full paper you linked, but it seems legit enough. (As a side note, though, that’s only in one country, and if New Zealand is one of those places that gives money to women for having kids, that might explain it.) That’s interesting, but not related to the pay gap statistic, yeah? There can be a pay gap (which is all I’m saying) and women could take more than they pay in taxes in that one country (which is, correct me if I’m wrong, what you’re saying.)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:57 PM
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Yes, and because there’s simply no proof that women are objectively “inferior” to men or the reverse. (emphasis on that) Happy to hear if you have some, though!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:50 PM
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Yeah, I’ve heard about this, and thank you for bringing it up. It’s a pretty common misconception that the gender pay gap doesn’t exist just because people like to play it up for drama. However, even just looking at the Wikipedia page for “gender pay gap” talks about this exact issue. There are two distinct numbers regarding the pay gap: unadjusted versus adjusted pay gap. The latter takes into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience. For example, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:46 PM
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A great point. I’ve also found this to be the case. Source- lots of experience with the American mental health system. I find it to be an interesting theory, at least, that this is because of “toxic masculinity” (I cringe, but don’t know how to otherwise say it.) I think it’s fair to say that boys are expected to be closed off and able to deal with problems on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:40 PM
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Sorry I took your wording wrong, although it might be a good idea to not use a word like unequal (which gives off one’s better, one’s worse vibes) if you don’t want assholes like me making a mistake like that. Have a great day <3
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:33 PM
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I might be whiteknighting a bit here, so if anyone else wants to correct me about this, please do. I would say that black men are better boxers because they are expected to be. There’s a perception in the west that black men are these big, strong guys who are good at fighting. I think it’s fair to say that the idea comes from slavery and European excuses for it. “Africans are just inferior to us! They’re stronger, but we’re smarter!” I haven’t really seen any controlled proof of that. Please lin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:31 PM
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Thanks for the insult. Much appreciated. I like articles and studies because they help me better inform my opinion with facts, instead of bullshit. I take the facts and then try to draw my own conclusions from them. <3 Here’s a quora discussing what you said about how most societies started patriarchal. My understanding from what the guy said is that men controlled the food because of their physical strength, not because of any inherent mental qualities of women. Interested in your take, though …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:26 PM
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I can see where that argument comes from, and tbh I’m kinda interested in learning more. If you have the time, is there an article or something you can drop? Have a great day <3
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:20 PM
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I don’t think I am. And this has nothing to do with evolution, either- all races of humans evolved from a common ancestor. Yes, IQ has a tendency to be inherented to a degree, but that doesn’t have anything to do with one race being smarter than another.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:19 PM
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There’s an article that explains exactly this within the context of an argument between a few scholars. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-big-idea/2017/6/15/15797120/race-black-white-iq-response-critics <3
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:17 PM
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I’ve seen that attitude from plenty redpillers
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:07 PM
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I mean, I am just some random-ass. It does seem like their information is incorrect but I could just not be looking hard enough
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:06 PM
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Thanks for at least the abstract. I’ll see what I can find. <3 Edit- this study seems to be using wage per hour, and it says that there’s a pay gap. If anyone would like to check me, I would absolutely adore it! https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/73202/1/wp0311.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 02:56 PM
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You can say that they’re different, and I would happily agree, but I don’t understand how “different” means “unequal”. Interested in hearing what you have to say <3
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 02:55 PM
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I am, love. Always interested in people’s specific opinions and the facts (or lack of) behind them. Hope you have a great day <3
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 02:54 PM
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I’m interested to see what proof you have that there is no gender pay gap. There’s a reason I’m here, I want to hear if I’m wrong. Everything I’ve seen that has credibility says that there’s a small, closing, but still there gap. Prove me wrong? <3 https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/ev.2007.4.4/ev.2007.4.4.1190/ev.2007.4.4.1190.xml Here’s at least one that says what I’m saying
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 02:52 PM
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So, what is a job that “builds”? Let’s say, oh, teachers. Blah blah blah, corny but true kids are the future shtick. There are more women than guy teachers. And there’s slightly more female biology majors than male. Who’s gonna crack the cure for cancer? https://inside.collegefactual.com/stories/the-most-popular-majors-for-women-men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 02:47 PM
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So, what is a job that “builds”? Let’s say, oh, teachers. Blah blah blah, corny but true kids are the future shtick. There are more women than guy teachers. And there’s slightly more female biology majors than male. Who’s gonna crack the cure for cancer? https://inside.collegefactual.com/stories/the-most-popular-majors-for-women-men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 02:44 PM
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~the idea that women like being condecended to They might deal with it if the guy who’s doing the condescending is attractive or they might be able to write it off better, but there’s very few people without severe control issues that find it innately attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 02:13 PM
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Because of equality, economic, and education issues. Not because any one race is inherently inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 02:07 PM
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You can say that more has been done by men because they’ve had the opportunities to do so, and I would happily agree, but you can’t say that all of the work is done by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 02:01 PM
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Very interested in sources, if you have them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 01:59 PM
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Wassa philosophy? Also, yep, you are missing millions of female construction workers, there’s about a million just in the US! https://www.nawic.org/nawic/statistics.asp
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 01:58 PM
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Evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 12:47 PM
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Well, how is it true that “everything has been built by men”? You can’t just say that half the world did jack shit. That’s reductionist at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 12:46 PM
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??? The Apache, for one, divided work fairly equally. The Hopi had politicians in both women and men. Patriarchy mostly started in these tribes when Europe came over. Where are you getting that information from?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 12:44 PM
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??? Redpill lies hold no weight either. And I think it’s fair to say that sexism is objectively bad and untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 03:45 PM
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Ok...? I would like this sub a lot more if it stuck to talking about instances where guys are screwed over because of their guy-ness, instead of making fun of feminism for no reason...
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