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Yeah but a worldview can be wrong and or flawed. Then alignment can make people double down.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:26 PM
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Yes, but people constantly confuse values with implementation and methods. Practically a lot of people use the value argument as excuse to mean they want someone who validates all of their beliefs. That's bad for society imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:18 PM
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They do matter, but it is quite annoying in my view when people just want to surround themselves with people who say what they want to hear. Sometimes you are wrong, and this applies to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:02 PM
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Are you asking what I consider that or what the average man considers that, because these answers are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:26 PM
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Yes because people really are that callous 🙄 most people regardless of gender are decent. Not great, sometimes selfish, but they don't take pleasure in other people being murdered.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:21 PM
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April was very dry and sunny but not that warm. We had a few hotter days but nothing crazy. And the predictions for may are quite bad; wet and cold.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:56 PM
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https://youtu.be/I0SVd_Q5wIg?is=M9tODLzPjjPDnrCX One of my lifegoals is listening to this song while alone in Kyoto.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:51 PM
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Ours are too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:51 PM
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Beautiful cliffs <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:54 PM
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You should visit Rugen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:26 PM
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I think I somewhat disagree. There's a lot of diversity in feminism and their use of patriarchy, but when it comes to how that relates to men I feel the diversity is quite lacking and most strands align with eachother. There's a subtle undertone of "men have more power and women have it worse" but no real critical examination of the issue with aggregating power and wellbeing over a whole gender and then extrapolating it to most people. You can see this with how the concept intersectionality is u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 02:42 PM
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I agree that you can argue it is compatible but then the dominant interpretation of patriarchy needs to change. It's compatible with some interpretations, but incompatible with many others. "Patriarchy harms men too" is often very far from being good enough because it doesn't use the best interpretation of what patriarchy is. The side effect idea is a good example, this is very biased and imo sexist framing of the real pattern, which is that the oppression of men and women are connected. But cal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 02:20 PM
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I have so many examples of me realizing like a year later that a woman was hitting on me. Like another coworker about a year ago started singing the lyrics of a very sexual song ( like about eating pussy and stuff)in my ears at a work party. At the time I thought this was weird but just told myself "I guess this is just how she is" and only recently I realized this was probably a flirting attempt lmao. Yeah naturally, not through skill but through ignorance 😂 That's the advantage of a poly relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:07 PM
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Well my monkey brain wants something more. It's extremely rare for me to feel quick attraction to someone because I lean more demisexual, but with her I felt it literally at my first day at work. But since I was in a monogamous relationship at that time, I didn't do anything about it. My neocortex doesn't want it though, because I know it's morally wrong to be a part of someone else being cheated on, and the more I get to know her, the more I also start caring about her, and the more I don't wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:22 PM
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Yeah the girl I'm in a relationship with is the one I was building a connection with a few months ago. It's going well I would say, besides a few misunderstandings that are normal when you're still getting to know eachother. I don't really feel much jealousy so I don't find it that difficult to switch from monogamy to poly. I really enjoy being with her. The one at work is a different girl, and somehow she started flirting with me when my previous relationship ended and my current one began even…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:11 PM
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I think that's definitely a thing, since they are in a relationship themselves. I'm also in one, but it's a poly one, so I would not be doing anything morally wrong if it moved beyond innocent flirting. But they don't know that, they just know I'm in a relationship, so they probably think I'm safe. With one of them I do get the sense that she has been doing everything what is expected of her socially in her life to the point it's suffocating. And like I'm some kind of escapist fantasy for her. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 06:44 PM
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One advantage of working a female dominated field as a man is that you will be seen as more attractive and be flirted with, just because there aren't many other men there. I see myself as average, yet my female colleagues keep being flirty with me. Bizzare experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 06:25 PM
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But they give better blowjobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 08:32 PM
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Yeah I love this song. Playing it rn.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 08:28 PM
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No, unfortunately not. This is just a childhood memory.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:19 PM
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https://youtu.be/gTZLzm-CprY?is=VLRmhxOi4OvLkecj This song and driving through Scandinavian mountains.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:09 PM
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It was a coincidence we lived so closely together. I haven't been on dating apps since 2020. I think Reddit works better exactly because the main purpose is not dating, so you meet people more organically. Personally dating apps are very bad for my mental health, to me the experience is just inherently dehumanizing, I both feel dehumanized myself and like I'm dehumanizing others because people get turned into commodities. And there's a weird social game there where everyone has to become the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:09 PM
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Tbh he didn't cheat. This is just rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:19 PM
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We met on Reddit, but not on this subreddit. 2 of the three girlfriends I have had in my life I met on Reddit lol. It's a good platform to find the introverted sapiosexuals, which for some reason is the type that is attracted to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:13 PM
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No, we were both writing comments related to gender issues on Reddit before we met. I thought the way she wrote was hot, and she thought the way I wrote was hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:03 PM
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My gf browses this sub lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:48 PM
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I'm glad you care. It's a dumb practice that needs to be banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:52 AM
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Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:09 PM
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https://youtu.be/XD6ASbQtKxw?is=ogrvctWsJCDOKWld Chopsticks you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:03 PM
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But providing economically is not the only way someone can be expected to provide tangible value. It’s not just about looks, the whole basis of performing feminine gender roles is that women are expected to have submissive, motherly/“moral” qualities. It’s the counterpart to what men are expected to perform. I agree with this, but there is something about the feminine gender role that makes you less dependent on external things to maintain your desirability. My angle is not that one is worse, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:36 PM
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I like when my partner is not a boring normie and doesn't obsess about arbitrary social rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:08 PM
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A good post that encourages traditional gender roles without having the self-awareness to realize it's doing so? "Men value women for who they are" was indeed always a ridiculous simplification. But obviously came from something real, which is that the value women have is more internal to themselves, at least in current society. That doesn't mean you're loved for who you are but that does mean you're under less social pressure to compete economically at least when it comes to finding a partner. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:26 AM
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I mean assuming everything you said is true why would they not feel jealous and mad? It what you say is correct then that seems like a completely valid thing to be jealous and mad about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:05 AM
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Well at least I got to eat focaccia for free at the wedding 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 08:24 PM
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I kinda like them, weirdly enough. That said the last wedding In my family I was on the couple ended up divorcing 2 months later lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 08:11 PM
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😂
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:57 PM
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Law is dickpill
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:55 PM
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My personality to people I like: ❤️🥰🥺🫂🌈💐 My music choice when feeling internal anger towards people who wronged me: https://youtu.be/LPTlvQ1Zet0?is=s_AYPenrK42IZzwu Ah the duality of man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:23 PM
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Fighting my urge to respond in a certain, now predictable manner
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:17 PM
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I think having enough conversations beforehand, and asking for something mostly on the second and third date, not necessarily the first. If the goal is to figure out agreeability and whether he will listen to you communicating your needs, I think that needs to be happen after you have already established some type of connection. A lot of these first filters seem more so a cope, like doing something for the sake of doing something, thinking you're learning a lot about who you are talking to when …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:55 PM
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This is not a good way to test whether a man is romantic, is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:25 PM
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Ehh I think there are more effective ways of thinning the herd, more open-minded and fair ways as well. I know this is my personal opinion, but I think people should also be as fair as possible when judging people and this is not an example of that for me. For example when you take a step back, you can even look at anthropology to understand that the meaning behind gestures can vary wildy between different people. This means that you cannot just look at the gesture itself to decipher what it mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:21 PM
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Well to be clear I actually agree that these messages are red flags of themselves to, just because of the way they are phrased. I just mean that there's a genuine way to want to reserve flowers for when you know each other a bit better. And there's a good way to communicate that, not like in these messages. But if we are talking about a guy like that, I think you'd be pretty stupid to reject him because of that. Dating is often a dance of people trying to make themselves seem as good as possible…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:04 PM
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When you haven't talked for some time before? Less likely. Two type of men are being filtered out. The men who don't care and are low effort (this is what you want) But also the men who do care but who see romantic gestures as something serious that needs to be attached to genuine feelings and therefore don't want to do that before knowing your better (this is not what you want) More importantly two types of men are being selected for: Men who are desperate for any access towards you and who wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:54 PM
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Yes but if a man is romantic without knowing you that just doesn't mean as much? In fact that's regularly dangerous. Sorry I just disagree with your reasoning, filtering in this way makes it less likely you will find the best men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:46 PM
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I think that's an illusion because an even worse option gets selected for instead of being filtered out this way. An abusive dude can easily buy you flowers and do all the cool romantic gestures just to reel you in so he can show his true colours once your guard is down. In fact I think they are more likely to do things like this because it's how they get what they want, loveboming is well known. Someone who is more modest and slow going is more likely to be trustworthy imo. Romantic love is not…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:34 PM
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Intimate yes, but not necessarily more awkward. Like, there's 2 reasons to give flowers imo. One is for formal events, for example a coworker becoming a parent. And the other is for people who mean a lot to you, that are close to you. But a first date fits neither of those, it's to informal for reason 1 to apply and you don't know this person enough for reason 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:26 PM
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That's a pretty stupid way to have high standards and filtering through men though. Whether someone gives you flowers on the first date or not is not a good predictor of their quality as a partner. There are all kinds of reasons why a man might not want to do that, and being someone who doesn't care about you is just one of those reasons. It's perfectly possible for example to believe that the meaning of such a gesture is in the fact that you don't just do it for anyone, meaning you can't do it …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:24 PM
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Bro that's after the date not before you have even talked in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:19 PM
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Asking for them specifically on the first date just comes across a bit entitled. And maybe awkward? Well it depends on how long you have been talking I guess. If we have been talking for weeks I'd happily give flowers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:06 PM
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Wholesome
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:03 PM
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There's a similar problem within the hostile sexism scale that is used in academia. There they ask questions like "women try to get power over men" or "women exaggerate sexual assaults" meanwhile the academics using this scale themselves often see no issue believing the same things with the genders reversed. Yes I know that society doesn't have to be perfectly symmetrical, but it's ridiculous how much heavy lifting the "it's different when done to them" does in these people's worldviews. It also…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 10:40 AM
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That's because they have all kinds of narratives that they tell themselves to continue to feel like the good ones in the story. Which is why a lot of people here become so frustrated. For example when men are discriminated against in STEM, that's to correct discrimination against women and therefore doesn't count. When they push for policies that discriminate against men who are victims of abuse or rape thats justified because "99% of rapists are male" or "well domestic violence is caused by pat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 10:35 AM
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Well you're already fixing it by showing empathy to both men and women. The problem is that many people act like two things cannot be true at once; 1) women have valid frustrations about harassment and safety 2) men have valid frustrations about feeling shame for their identity because of how it is being talked about Often times people argue "well 1 is worse just get over it" but this ignores that these men who experience 2 are not the ones creating 1 so they don't have blame for 1 existing in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 08:27 PM
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I mean maybe I'm confusing you with someone else but I thought you identified yourself as one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:05 PM
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Proof that misandrists create their own problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:57 PM
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I will never understand people's need to police what other people do to decompress. How entitled and egocentric can someone be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:14 PM
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I agree with the core of what you're saying, but calling your partner fragile isn't exactly a smart way to have conflict
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:19 AM
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I think there's multiple reasons why men aren't loudly policing this this speaking from my own experience 1)A lot of times these men hide these things from other men. We don't see that part of them so there's nothing in our frame of vision to call out. I'm not gonna accuse someone I know without evidence. 2)These men don't listen as much to other men as women seem to think. I don't think calling them out actually changes that much. The men who do these things already have issues with their socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 06:35 AM
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I have never understood the idea of "invading something". It's the same idea as cultural appropriation but I think it is ridiculous. You do not own a culture or something to do, others are allowed to also do what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 06:15 AM
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The problem with this is that it confuses population level differences with individual treatment men receive Its all nice to claim men are less agreeable on average, this is correct but the difference isn't large. So there's still a large proportion of men that is highly agreeable. And these men don't suddenly get treated equally, an agreeable man might receive nicer treatment than a man that isn't, but it's still not as nice as what an equally agreeable woman would have received. I know this be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:34 PM
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It's just as much misandry. Every form as sexism can be both seen as misogyny and misandry, but calling it misogyny removes the attention from the people who suffer the most from it in this case, which is men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:11 AM
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Me when I use MSG in my cooking
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:08 PM
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I had to Google that book but it looks super cool. I have a Seneca book laying here too, it's more philosophical but it's nice. And yes probably because in Dutch they are usually pronounced.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:55 PM
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Haha! It is. Chinese is a very cool language. I have a book about Taoism by Alan Watts, and in it he basically admires the Chinese "alphabet" because they are literal drawings of the objects it refers to. I will add, her accent in English was cute. Hope you got that too! Can't imagine people won't like it. I have been told I have a French R and not at the same time, apparently I use it sometimes but not always.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:58 PM
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Zut alors, c'est dommage! My mother tongue is Flemish (Belgian Dutch). What phrases do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:42 PM
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Oh boy. But now I wonder, do you actually speak Chinese?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:31 PM
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This sounds like Chinese to me 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:25 PM
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In my experience women do care about it but just a little bit. They won't not date you because of your dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:57 PM
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There's always a first
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:47 PM
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An educational YouTube video right? RIGHT???
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:45 PM
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Plethora of family crisis and two deaths among family. I'm sorry to hear. Was it close family? What makes you feel unloved? I have people who love me, but I don't feel like they understand some parts of me. I'm an intuitive person, I have a deep intuition about things. But I feel like they see that as biased or just pure emotion. I think it's far more scientific than that, but I don't know how to show or explain that to someone else. They don't have access to the data I have, the time series whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:29 PM
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I agree with your core point then but I disagree it doesn't cause systemic discrimination. For example the Duluth model was invented by a feminist. That feminist later realized her model was wrong which I have a lot of respect for, but she was then attacked by other feminists and the model continues to be used today even though it's scientifically problematic and sexist. The way academia studies and talks about domestic violence is scientifically problematic and sexist towards men. This then als…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:13 AM
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Difficult why? Or do you not want to talk about it. What plants are you planting? I'm okay, things are kinda hard. Work is stressful, my grandmother will die soon, and I'm feeling kind of unloved by my loved ones at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 07:38 PM
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Omg you're back. How are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:08 PM
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A lot of MRAs just attack women and act like feminism is causing systemic misandry I agree they tunnelvision on feminism too much, but at the same time that's also just accurate that feminism causes systemic misandry. It's not the sole or main cause, but it still does cause that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:40 AM
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I understand, that said I think addressing the misinformation problem is kind of easier than completely removing rape and sexual exploitation from this world. A completely safe world is not realistic in my personal view, I understand that is not what people want to hear, but isn't it just how it is? Like, people who do things like that probably won't listen to the people that try to talk about it, and a lot of those people were abused themselves as children, so solving this problem is very compl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:57 PM
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Well it is done by a minority of men, so it's kind of just irrelevant? The question is an overall assessment, so yes thinking negatively about a whole gender overall isn't good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:11 PM
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I think it's more so that others lose power by not being desired so compared to them you do have power. It means you don't have to wonder whether you're capable of being romantically loved, and it means you can advocate for your own needs in relationships better. You will be less desperate to prove to someone else that you're lovable, you won't bend over backwards because you know that even if you lose one person, you can still be with other people. I'm saying this in a way that this also applie…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:06 PM
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Low tier bait
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:51 PM
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she only likes it when it's hard and shows disgust for it when it's soft, that tells me that she sees the man more as a tool than as a full human being. I have never met a woman like that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:11 PM
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https://youtu.be/BL7HudkGdPY?is=KWAw5h2IdDRITCQe Time to jam to this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:07 PM
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It can be but it doesn't necessarily have to be in my opinion. Oftentimes people only abuse their romantic partners so if a man is straight it might mean he only abuses women. But it does not come from wanting to abuse women as a gender. For something to qualify as a hate crime you need to have evidence that they hate a gender, not specific people of that gender. And that also runs into issues because sometimes "hate" gets defined in a very loose manner. The hostile sexism scale for example is v…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:16 PM
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That doesn't make it a hate crime? That just makes it more likely that it was intentional, but it doesn't mean hatred of an identity was the reason for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:08 PM
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These kinds of laws are among the biggest gender related legal issues in the EU together with abortion laws. Both violate core EU principles.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:06 PM
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I disagree. People largely think it's ridiculous that men can be the victim of hate crimes while they assume a woman is one even when it's clearly not the case. The way hate crimes get defined is subjective and not at all consistent, the conclusion of this law is that men will be considered inferior victims regardless of whether that was the intent or whether people are even consciously aware of it. Things like this are the number one reason I can't call myself a feminist anymore. I'm for equali…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:02 PM
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when it is linked to gender-based motives or patterns The problem is who decides that. It's extremely common that gender-based motives get invented out of thin air, which just serves to rationalise the stronger emotional response people feel when a woman dies compared when a man dies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:57 PM
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I don't think the power is "the same" as the power money gives you, but being desired by others does give some power that someone who is not doesn't have. That doesn't mean you want that power or that you care about it a lot. People can have power while they did nothing to get it and didn't even want to have it. When you're less desperate to get your needs fulfilled it does give you power compared to someone else. This is not unique to women, men, or even what that need is. This is just a core p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:43 PM
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You have to balance not just how many people something affects, but the severity as well. Taking this as an isolated incident and ignoring other things that can contribute to feelings of guilt or frustration for men on the internet, I think the real world harm of 1000 men potentially raping people and coaching others to rape people does more damage than the misinformation on this news story. Maybe if you compare it to this specific news story only yeah, but if you compare it to the pattern of ne…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 12:15 PM
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But severity needs to be compared with frequency. Yes 1000 men doing that is far more severe, but it's also way less frequent and affects a way lower number of people than the misinformation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 10:37 AM
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It exists, but mainly in the form that jobs more often done by women are underpaid relative to their societal importance. This is not caused by a conspiracy against women, but because the price signals in capitalism are imperfect and positive and negative externalities are ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 10:32 AM
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You’re trying to make this symmetrical, but it’s not. Why is it not? I'm not claiming it's perfectly symmetrical, I'm just not convinced it's asymmetrical enough to justify the way it gets framed? They’re responding to a specific kind of risk that actually affects how they move through the world. That’s why it’s gendered. Not because men don’t face risk, but because the pattern and context aren’t the same. Well it's not just about being different, it's about whether those differences are relevan…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:03 PM
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Changing the wording might soften the message, but it doesn’t remove the uncertainty or the risk, so it doesn’t change the behaviour. Changing the wording also just changes the content of the message. So I don't agree with this. I'd also argue that you can't collapse everything onto one thing. There's a difference between being cautious and talking negatively about the male gender. You’re focused on men feeling unfairly seen as a threat. Yes because of the damage that does to someone's mental he…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:27 PM
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Safety is also about feelings. That's not really a point imo. Women feeling unsafe is just as much caused by both real and imagined things as men feeling shame. All I'm saying is you're still responsible for how you talk about safety. The way safety has been talked about in the last few decades has clearly created shame in men while it has not meaningfully changed anything imo. This is not good. And men aren't to blame for being too fragile or whatever nonsensical excuse I see being made all the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 10:33 PM
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I barely know any men who hold both of those positions simultaneously.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:03 PM
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I think people of any identity have the responsibility to be moral and healthy citizens. That means that sometimes men and women should change. Not in a coercive way, but they themselves should want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:53 PM
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But if you drop the crucial "some" word you're contributing to a culture that creates shame in innocent men who did nothing wrong and women still have responsibility for that regardless of how valid their concerns about safety are. It's not the abusive men that suffer from being described negatively constantly, it's the most kind-hearted men who suffer from that. So I don't agree that saying not all men is useless, it's necessary because there's nothing good about creating shame in men who are i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:43 PM
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Both "not all men" and "not all women" are valid in my opinion. It's not hard at all to communicate in a more clear fashion than just saying "women do x" or "men do x" it's pretty basic shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:36 PM
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There's different ways of judging someone. You can judge their beliefs and actions as they harm themselves and the people around them. But you can also judge them as people and I don't feel comfortable doing that. When I was a teenager I experienced a lot of bad luck that luckily got better later. But it could have always been worse as I also grew up with many privileges others don't have. I don't know if I would have turned out any different if I lived in their shoes. There's a lot of things, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:07 PM
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I agree I think experiencing your first love is important for self development. It can be the most shitty relationship ever but that doesn't matter, the validation from the fact that someone was capable of loving you, no matter how flawed is an important step in development. That's why I don't feel comfortable judging incels because I still remember how much impact it had on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:42 PM
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Someone please explain this or I won't be able to sleep tonight.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:53 PM
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Stellaris is based. I should play it again. Cosplaying as the galaxies moral police is fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:48 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:46 PM
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cinnamon rolls???
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:02 PM
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In reality they just feel unlovable. Being loved romantically for the first time removes that and after that it doesn't really matter anymore what is provided.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:00 PM
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Your “agency bias” idea is interesting, but right now it’s mostly describing patterns, not clearly isolating causes. That’s the issue. You’re saying “this is what it looks like,” not showing how it operates in a concrete, testable way. But this idea comes from psychological studies that consistently find this? So it is testable clearly. You can perfectly claim that the agency bias is the cause of the outcomes we see, of course you can still ask then "well what causes the agency bias" which is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:35 AM
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You’re treating all interpretations as equally valid, and they’re not. Not all interpretations, but some are. I don't see the evidence for why yours is more valid. You can frame conscription as “men are disposable,” but that’s an interpretation. The actual policy is tied to a role, men as combatants, not a claim that men are lesser. That's rather bizarre considering there's plenty of evidence that people have less empathy for male suffering, feel less likely to help them, etc. You can easily obs…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 05:49 AM
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It’s not arbitrary though. There’s a difference between intent/bias and outcomes shaped by roles or history. You don’t prove “hostility” by guessing feelings, you look at patterns, laws, and norms. If something consistently restricts or targets a group because of their gender, that’s bias. That assumes that restriction is the only way hostility can be expressed and that restriction can only be done out of hostility, which is rather questionable considering how often restricting women's autonomy …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:20 PM
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That’s not symmetry, that’s just expanding the definition until it includes any harm men experience. The one you're using does the opposite imo. Which makes one wonder why? For something to be misandry or misogyny, it has to come from bias against that gender, not just be a negative outcome that affects them. Things like conscription or dangerous roles come from gender norms, not hostility toward men as a class. I don't understand how this is not completely subjective and something that anyone c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:56 PM
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You’re also treating misandry and misogyny like they’re symmetrical just because both words exist and can be graphed. They’re not. One has been baked into laws, institutions, and norms for a long time. The other mostly shows up as attitudes or rhetoric. Not the same scale, not the same impact. This just comes from how assymetrically people define these concepts. Misogyny often includes everything, while misandry gets defined in a far more narrow manner. This doesn't really say much about what ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:42 PM
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How is this not completely arbitrary? How does it not violate the right to life, the right to enter your own contracts (instead of slavery, the right to expression etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:34 PM
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Sweeping, inaccurate, negative generalization about women is misogynist. Thats not a “repercussion”. Thats just what the word means. Just as making sweeping negative generalizations about men is misandry. People push back because they don’t agree with your negative generalization, not because there is a taboo against making sweeping negative generalizations. But they don't push back equally? OP does have a point. There's some seriously unhinged papers out there in academia that write such things…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:58 AM
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OP mostly has a point when it comes to academia, way less when it comes to society as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:54 AM
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This is another example of a man on this subreddit pointing out something real but then self-owning with ridiculous examples. First of saying women tend to be cowards is not "truth" but moralizing. Women are more risk averse and this is a fact, but when you use the word coward you are not just saying that, you're expressing moral judgement about their risk aversion. This is not "truth" as being risk adverse can be both good and bad depending on the context. For example being risk adverse leads t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:41 AM
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I'm not sure I agree with this. Dating is far more exhausting because you have to prove yourself. Being in a relationship takes work, but it's also often enjoyable work, work that comes naturally, work that you have intrinsic motivation for. That often can't be said about taking pictures for your dating app, and being the best possible marketed version of yourself on dates. That shit can get exhausting really fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:33 AM
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Whenever I read things like this I keep wondering if it's satire. It's like watching Trump post on Truth Social. That's how mind boggling it is to think this is real..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 02:23 PM
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realising you've overstepped a boundary and apologising is an act of kindness, my brother apologizing was an act of humility that showed his willingness to avoid a useless conflict. She didn't just cross a boundary, she said something mean and manipulative. Your brother also shouldn't have apologized as he did nothing wrong. Even so, the consequences of misogyny are FAR WORSE than those of misandry, misandry can result in the hurt feelings of an innocent man and in a few cases, in him being excl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:20 PM
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We need pictures
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:22 PM
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I think I might agree with you if you limit your criticism to NEOLIBERAL class-blind feminists It's kind of hard to identify this imo. Like are feminists in the United Nations all neoliberals? Or the feminists who push for Duluth like models of domestic violence? Or the feminists of NOW? Or the feminists academics that use shady research practices? I do think that countries that are more neoliberal have more extremists and polarisation, such as can be seen in the US, the UK and Australia and it …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:52 PM
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However, I believe that many women do that as a reaction to the horrible red-pill ideology that dismisses the opinion of a person only because she's a woman. Well the exact same thing is true for the people who end up in that ideology in the first place. It's a reaction to a combination of conservatism that is still lingering everywhere in society that makes men feel stuck in their gender roles, increasing wealth inequality and the inadequate response to this by progressives, often using the mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:05 AM
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If oppression just means “suffering,” the term becomes useless because everyone suffers. That’s why it’s tied to power and autonomy, it isolates structural constraints I don't understand the logic. Everyone also experiences power and autonomy and differences in those things between people. Why do those terms then not become useless? And suffering and power affect eachother. If people care less about my suffering because I'm male, that could be argued to be a way of having less power as I'm less …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 08:05 PM
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You could argue all of these are related to the male gender role, receiving less empathy, ineffective healthcare (particularly mental healthcare), problematic beliefs about men's emotions and their purpose, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:47 PM
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t’s measured with multiple indicators tied to power and autonomy, things like legal rights, political representation, income, exposure to violence, and control over personal decisions. No single metric defines it. And why should these things be included, but life expectancy should not be? Why is oppression = lack of autonomy/power and not = suffering, lack of support, lack of empathy? This is really not obvious at all. And it’s not “who decides” in a random sense. These are standard measures use…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:45 PM
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I have read a lot of feminist literature and that question is not properly answered in those books and texts. Rather assumptions are made about all the questions I asked, and often they are treated as self-evident without elaboration. I'm an academic, so I think not transparantly discussing the assumptions one makes is problematic, no matter what field we are talking about. So when you say "men have more power than their female equivalents" what is the evidence for this that you are using? How d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:25 PM
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So how is oppression is measured? and maybe more importantly, who decides how it should be measured?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:16 PM
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You can argue the exact same thing for many metrics that get used as a measure of oppression for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:15 PM
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Who decides how power gets measured, which type of power is stronger than another type of power, what should be included in an analysis of power and what shouldn't? Y'all always talk about power but it sounds more like an activism slogan than a deep analysis of what power actually is and how we should measure it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:11 PM
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This is something you experience disproportionately when you're socialised as male..
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:32 PM
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How are you still alive
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:42 PM
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Yeah don't do it. BPD is too high of a risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:19 PM
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Luckily lavender is climate change proof
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:01 PM
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Ok thanks for this advice
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:04 PM
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It's so interesting how people admire the people from the past for standing up against injustices but support the injustices in the present or are completely blind to them. Most people never stand on the side of actual ethics or deep intellectual understanding. All they care about is their own group and saying socially desirable things even when they make no rational sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:41 PM
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I mean people who fight for women's rights, and feminists more broadly speaking, very often do claim women have it worse, and even when they don't speak it out literally it's revealed through their claims and actions that they do believe that. Can we stop pretending like men are the main ones who have started this zero sum approach towards gender issues? They are responding to a movement led by women who already did that in the first place. It's so bizzare to me that anytime this topic comes up …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 04:24 PM
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I score fairly strongly introverted on MBTI, but I also score close to 100 on openness so maybe that compensates. I struggle more with not interacting with loved ones for a long time though. Maybe not individually for each person, but when I solo travelled for 2 weeks I started to go a bit insane from not talking to anyone for that long. I even started talking to myself which was weird. And yeah true, but sometimes life already does that for you, you can meet people in University. But I guess pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:33 PM
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There's more life than just not being alone tbh. Once you have your close circle those other things matter more imo. Idk I like being an introvert, there's something liberating about being underestimated too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:24 PM
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One of my coworkers has been kinda flirty with me. So we talked a enough so I know she's intelligent, but then I saw her post something about her astrology sign on insta and my brain couldn't process the fact that this was the same person lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:19 PM
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I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about the term introvert. Including people who self describe themselves as one. Ultimately it's about how you process information and what you gain energy from. Not about how socially competent you are. Of course what you say is true. Introverts are less likely to leave the house. But maybe they just need a smaller circle of deeper friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:16 PM
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It also comes with massive advantages. Such as intellectual ability, introspection, deep insights, strategic thinking, integrity, economic planning, etc. Our society needs these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:05 PM
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This is my least reasonable ick. I have to actually tell myself not to judge someone who talks about astrology.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:01 PM
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Yeah I'm questioning if this strategy is actually easier. And I'm tired of introverts being described as socially incompetent 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:57 PM
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But what if you want friends who are also introverted? Idk I struggle to relate to this point made over again here about social skills. Maybe I take my own social skills for granted but it just doesn't seem that important to me. I'm introverted and I don't really struggle that much to make people like me. I still don't like large groups of people or speaking too much. Don't you think Americans constantly confuse being introverted with being socially anxious? I'm at a four person desk at work, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:48 PM
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Sex can be a mutually beneficial shared activity. Trying to gain money from someone can't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:37 PM
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This what you get when you put a demented pedophile as the leader of the most powerful country in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:21 PM
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This assumes that introverts want to be around extroverts. I definitely often don't want to be lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:56 PM
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This doesn't make sense. Male loneliness is also caused by patriarchy, patriarchy is not a conscious, living being, and declining birth rates can be mainly explained by urbanisation, not the messages given to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:35 PM
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I don't see facts, just an emotional post that simplifies a complex reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:33 PM
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I think this kind of naive. Just because something is a dating preference doesn't mean homophobia can't be the root of that preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:55 PM
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In our society everything that can't be economically quantified gets undervalued. This is not unique to things women do, but it affects them disproportionately because more of the labour they do more often is hard to quantify. Being a mother and running the household adds value that is hard to quantify in numbers. This is why it is hard to estimate what is fair; how much of their male partner's earnings was made possible by her labour? Giving her half of the wealth is only a guess of what is fai…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:05 AM
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Just because you can't quantify it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And when the law only addresses the financial side, it makes sense to me that men perceive it as unjust, because it kinda is unjust, there's just no good way to even make it just. So the solution is to abolish traditional relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:07 AM
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I'm not a fan of traditional gender roles, but the problem here is also that being the stay at home parent also comes with advantages that can't be compensated for in the case of divorce. You are in a more financially vulnerable position as the stay at home parent, but you also have a stronger emotional connection with your kids and the experience needed to care for them. During a divorce only the financial vulnerability of the stay at home parent gets addressed, but not the emotional vulnerabil…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:59 AM
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This topic is filled with selection biases on all sides. Firstly people believe men are worse parents than women on average and care less about their kids. Of course part of this is cultural, but it's also a selection bias because women happen to have more agency over whether they become parents or not. This means that more men than women will be forced into parenthood, so a bigger fraction of women will have chosen to be a parent, which means they will also be more committed parents. It's selec…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:44 AM
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Meh some people who don't find certain things interesting are just themselves boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:16 AM
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Who is it? Do tell
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:13 PM
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TIL I'm a betrayer
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:34 PM
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What makes one a boring conversationalist?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:33 PM
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Depth of conversation hinges more on the specific person you’re talking with than the setting of dates. Do you think that is more important than meeting physically?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:24 PM
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I guess some men have a trustworthy vibe
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:21 PM
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Touché
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 03:42 PM
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Rude
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 03:18 PM
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Yes, or course 🤗
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:01 PM
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No one has hugged me yet today. Underprivileged male oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 01:57 PM
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When a woman acts like a boss, that’s not congruent with taking loads down the throat and to the face. Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:17 AM
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The global economy is cooked for real. Starting with Asia outside of China.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 09:54 PM
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Yeah it's definitely a big part of religion. You can see it in the older generations a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:22 PM
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This is why I keep telling you I don't like this cultural idea of "the virtue of hard work". It's a type of morality that glorifies suffering for the sake of it even when better and easier solutions exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:40 PM
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But that’s not the same as saying the framework itself is 100% constructionist or denies biology? The point I’m making is simpler: even if there are underlying biological differences, that still doesn’t explain how you get from differences in distribution to rigid social roles and institutions? Not inherently so, but I do think it has a bias to center nurture over nature. Now obviously in reality you can't really divide those two things easily. Imo the fact that this is such a big debate in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 09:34 AM
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I’ve yet to meet a feminist who thinks patriarchy happened purely “random”… I don’t really understand how you think feminists see the “construction of patriarchy”? Most commonly I observe people who do the following: 1) "Men are just evil and chose to oppress women" which is biological essentialism without explicitly naming it as such 2)"Men are taught to oppress women creating patriarchy" which is circular and not an actual explanation of how patriarchy developed 3) just silence about this topi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:59 AM
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I haven’t really heard anyone make a 100% pure constructionist argument anyway. I think what feminists usually mean is that biological differences get amplified through patriarchy Aren't you reading too much of your own thinking into other feminists? My experience both online and in the social science departments is that biology is considered a taboo subject when discussing gender, with the only exceptions being the fact that men are more muscular and that women can get pregnant. Obviously I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:21 AM
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But this is about the population at large. Not about variety within an individual. It's true that the male variability hypothesis is about multiple things and not just intelligence. But if intelligence is a part of it, then the claim by OP that men will be disproportionally represented more in the high intelligence and the low intelligence brackets is correct. It doesn't mean they will fully dominate them, but it means one will find more men there than women. Of course this hinges on this hypoth…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:39 PM
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What OP is saying is that men are lumped into the smartest people and stupidest people And thats not how variety works Why is it not how variety works? How is what he said wrong if the underlying claim of higher variability in intelligence is correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:27 PM
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I'm doing a PhD and I feel like I'm slowly dying inside.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:48 PM
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You can also just not care and find a woman who doesn't care about that. There's plenty of them around.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:47 PM
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Gravity is just fascinating
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:32 PM
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That makes zero sense. If someone is allowed to react to a boundary in any way, then someone else is also allowed to react to their reaction to their boundary.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:59 AM
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Just listened to my girlfriend sneeze on a call for an hour. The emotional labour is unbearable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:03 PM
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Top-level comments to Q4X posts should only be made by “X.” Please check the post flair and repost your comment under the automod if you wish. Top-level comments to Debate posts should clearly challenge or counter the premise of the OP. Please check the post flair and repost your comment under the automod if you wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 04:25 PM
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It's a special kind of annoyance at work to be given advice to do x only to hear "why did you do x, oh no I think you shouldn't have done that" a few weeks later by the same person who gave you the advice to do x in the first place. This has happened to me like 3 times in the last month and I have no clue what the socially appropriate response to this is. I'm afraid my facial expressions are showing my confusion and annoyance a bit too clearly. Also responsibilities keep accumulating on me. Fml …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 08:01 PM
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Yeah, being a simp has a more narrow motivation in wanting to have female validation. But there's also just people who ideologically believe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:51 PM
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You mean filled with people who want to downplay everything men do and exaggerate everything that women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:29 PM
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It's almost as if male and female suffering both exist and don't contradict each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 10:57 AM
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That explains why people who are single do it. But it doesn't explain why people who are in a relationship do it, it seems to me that in that case it is a person being blinded by their own privilege. Like a rich dude saying "money is not that important".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:27 AM
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Oh no. Anyway...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:40 PM
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Very valid reply. But then we should also acknowledge that love and sex are important to most human beings instead of scoffing at people who fail to experience it. Else all of us wouldn't be willing to take such risks to get it. There's something so bizzare about people who try to downplay it as something completely casual and optional as if the desire for love is not a core aspect of the human condition. I will never understand how people like this can still take themselves seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:16 PM
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I need to be in an old hotel lobby staring out of the window, mountains in the distance. Strong alcoholic drink in my hand, sun setting, my girlfriend with her head on my shoulder. Staring into the distance with an empty expression. Hating and loving my own mortality. Every memory once made will one day turn into nothingness, peace and anxiety, relief and worry, the joy of forgetting and the tragedy of being forgotten. The duality of man. This is what they call philosophy maxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:12 PM
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The point you meantioned about asymmetries in how perceptions are treated socially is very interesting. But then again: don’t we all perceive it is our own perception that is at risk of dismissal? So whose perception about the perceptions is the right perception? It should always be questioned obviously because of the human tendency to frame their own problems as the most important, but I don't think that in this case it is just about the fact that it is my own perception. Take DEI for example. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/26 08:25 PM
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It's true that perception of a thing or phenomenon is always the driver of behaviour in response to that thing or phenomenon , rather than just the object/pattern that is being observed itself. Now obviously, perception is usually not completely independent from what that thing actually is, sometimes someone's perception is accurate, sometimes someone's perception is inaccurate and more often someone's perception is flawed, existing somewhere on the spectrum between "completely accurate" and "co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/26 07:33 PM
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I'm fine with all of these. What I'm not fine with is lying about it, or when the ex is abuse and they keep going back to them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 06:27 PM
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Interesting to see these cultural differences. Here I think it's more likely to mean "you overdid your make-up" in my experience. I'm sure you looked lovely though. You probably wouldn't get that backhanded insult if you lived here 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:53 PM
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Choose better is kinda cringe advice imo because it's so self-evident. I think all of this just is just kind of symptomatic of how much transactional mindsets have increased with the invention of dating apps and social media. The problem is people attach their worth to these kind of rituals or gestures rather than focusing on just getting to know someone and doing nice things for someone you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:46 PM
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Why is looking like a doll a compliment in Amerika? I think when people say that here in Europe it's more likely to be derogatory or something lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:31 PM
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True, I think OP is referring to an imbalance in those things though. I wouldn't say it's the default, but it's not uncommon either to hear these ideas that men should mainly do those things for women but not in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:58 PM
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But sometimes life happens. Sometimes two people can be exhausted. It doesn't mean they don't love each other anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:54 PM
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I can relate to this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:50 PM
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So does that mean you also see women as mainly responsible for creating patriarchy or is that natural conclusion of your reasoning inconvenient?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 03:22 PM
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I have this on my legs too. Even just sitting with my leg pressured against the desk or something and I have a bruise. Even though I feel zero pain
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 03:17 PM
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How much experience do you actually have? I'm hardly a chad, but in my experience women become huge freaks when they feel safe with you. So I don't buy this idea that hookup material guys are having this amazing sex that normal guys can't experience. It doesn't align with my own feelings either, sex feels way better the more you love someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:14 PM
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That's a raven
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:36 PM
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This used to be one of my favourite graphs in physics lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:29 PM
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Way too much effort for not enough reward. I have other things to do such as doing science and reading books.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:20 PM
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Myron the true alpha man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:19 PM
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I have so much work to do but I can barely do anything. I feel constantly anxious and sad, I can't get anything done.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:24 PM
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Yeah that makes sense. Even just the labour required for healthy communication, which you could have used for something else if you were single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:09 PM
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Yeah but then you don't have to sacrifice that freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:06 PM
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You can also be poly though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:00 PM
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being the dominant one is just more exhausting regardless of your gender
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 07:53 PM
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I guess its either a guy who's so stressed his brain stopped functioning, or a guy who's really too self-centered to be healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:30 PM
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Myron, more like MORON
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:16 PM
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I'm always surprised men like that exist. I always do the exact opposite, I prefer to listen more and ask questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:15 PM
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It will have some effect no matter what, but it will more meaningfully flip your results if you're average. If you're really ugly, it might not be enough to change a lot, and if you're really good looking, you will already get interest anyway. But if you're average, it can make a big impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:13 PM
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Emotional intelligence maxing actually works if you're average looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 03:00 PM
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I'm also a Belgian so that makes two of us already
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:28 PM
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Belgian lovers are the best are they not
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:45 PM
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I don't eat these lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:41 PM
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Extremely cringe
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:08 PM
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It's both, depending on how you define it. It also reinforces eachother. I even feel this within myself. Every single time I'm forced to emotionally coddle women more than men, I have to actively fight my own mind from seeing myself "above them". This is how sexism constantly gets reproduced but people don't understand this. The only way to make men less hostile sexist to women is by also allowing them to become less benevolently sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:45 PM
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Things like having to be more considerate to the emotions of women compared to men, assigning men more agency, apologizing the most, ... Basically infantilizing women. A lot of people who claim to hate this still get mad when you don't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:27 PM
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OP's argument is really weak. That said, I think the title of his post is correct. He just argued his point very poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:22 PM
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Yeah I'm not seeing how it cannot fulfill those 3 criteria and how it cannot have structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:52 PM
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How is a herd mentality separate from an ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:40 PM
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How can something that is the result of a shared activity ever be 100% one party's fault in a general sense? That makes no sense at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:39 PM
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The majority of blue pill beliefs are inverse red pill talking points brought up by the redpill to create an opposition, the term did not exist until the redpill called everyone who leaned slightly from their idea of ‘reality’ blue pill, and people only ever use blue pill to either identify themselves to signify that they loudly oppose the redpill, as a form of mockery, or they might just flat out not know any better and have come from a redpill background. Can a reaction to an ideology not be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:27 AM
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I mean I fully agree that redpillers overly emphasize looks and status. It's true that other things matter a lot as well, such as humor. But the performance thing comes from the imbalance in pickiness. Like I said you can do something about this as a man, but it won't fully go away either. As a man who was undesirable than became more desirable over time I can relate to the feelings these men are expressing. It does get disheartening sometimes when you feel that you're performing rather than con…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:22 PM
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I think they are upset that women don't need to be funny in the same way. It's just not fun when everything you do gets reduced to a performance. But men also have agency over this, you shouldn't turn it into a performance. I have empathy for the feeling, but you can do something to feel better about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:15 PM
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it's like saying that i you need to prove that god exist as much as i need to prove that it isn't. It's not, because God is an unobservable entity. That's not the same thing as being an ideology or not. But anyway, ideology is a set of ideas, and i did show that blue pill didn't follow any specific set. If you think that it's not enough - the burden of proof comes to you. But what kind of proof? When you're analysing convergence or diversity of thought there's no obvious cut-off point where some…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:45 AM
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I disagree with this heuristic on a fundamental philosophical level. I think I need to prove that just as much as you need to prove that it isn't. It is more productive when proof is given for both sides. That said in this case I'm not sure how it can be proven, just because the concept "ideology" is so flexible. There is no math formula that can be used here, it is subjective. That's why it's more useful to talk about what it is, rather than to prove labels.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:28 AM
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Your second argument is the most questionable one. Within an ideology there will still be disagreements among those that follow it. The question is how correlated or similar do peoples belief systems need to be in order to be called an ideology or not, and how arbitrary and morally coded their beliefs are. For example most people believe the earth is round but that's not really ideological, that's just an observable fact. I think it's true there is significant disagreement within blue pillers bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 10:46 AM
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I mean this checks out with my lived experience. Every intelligent woman I have ever gotten to know underestimates their own intelligence and each time I have to remind them they are doing it. As a man I'm not really insecure about my intellectual capabilities, more so about my intentions being read more maliciously than they are. Women have to deal with people assuming they are more incompetent than they are, men have to deal with people assuming they are more malicious/dangerous than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:43 AM
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If your only goal is to have sex then being a jerk helps. If your goal is to achieve something more than that, it's a terrible strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:09 PM
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"you would look even hotter with this haircut"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:01 PM
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I agree, that guy did the right thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:04 PM
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Government funded research especially disproportionately goes towards women's issues for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:13 PM
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Well those are not the only spending programs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:41 PM
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I agree that it is wrong. That's said there's something morally uncomfortable about how government money disproportionately goes towards women, even though men mainly pay for it. At least in my opinion. It's not really unsurprising that this gets turning into populist narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:29 PM
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Saying women pay less taxes is not the same as saying they don't pay taxes. Not that I agree with how the argument is usually used, as it's a logical consequence of doing more unpaid or underpaid labour, but the argument usually is not that they don't pay taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:20 PM
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Scientific research does not show that at all. In fact that's more true for women than for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:05 PM
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So many people give such boring and useless presentations at work. Jesus Christ man, what a waste of my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 09:30 AM
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I would see it as a green flag. And having it would be a neutral, because so many people have it. But not having it is unique. It shows me someone doesn't just follow any trend and does what they themselves want. And it shows me they aren't desperate for random attention. That's attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:27 PM
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In my experience there are plenty of women who do care about personality first. I'm hardly a chad physically speaking, but I have had multiple women interested in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:29 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:29 PM
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<image> Roasted vegetable pasta sauce
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:28 PM
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Variety is the spice of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 02:55 PM
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I agree that's the intention, but it ends up unintentionally being misandrist. guess food sharing is an option but not many people are into that kinda of thing. I noticed people need to be gently introduced into food sharing generally speaking. Maybe with the right kind of pie it can be enjoyable. Do you like pie? Food sharing is nice until there's too many people. I like some pies and really dislike others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 02:52 PM
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It increases the likelihood, but it's not a guaranteed outcome. It's perfectly possible to have options and still treat women well. But yeah I agree it's kind of a self-own and men being misandrist to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 12:12 PM
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Just put an age limit at this point. All these senile men are incompetent as fuck. Although Biden actually did a decent job exactly because of how senile he was; he was just a pawn for the council of decision makers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 11:50 AM
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Yeah I hate how irrational it made me behave. Sometimes it still shows up a little bit and then a few hours later I have to apologize for overreacting 🙄 it's so annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:15 AM
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It's especially depressing because an otherwise kind and decent person can end up in this loop because of having PTSD from trauma. Of course other people don't have to tolerate abusive behavior, but as someone who had PTSD before I have a lot of empathy for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:02 AM
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This is actually studied in psychology. People who are hostile receive hostile responses and then get stuck in a loop where they become more and more hostile. I forgot the exact term for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:53 AM
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Did you run into challenges at first?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:18 PM
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How did you start being poly?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:11 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:56 PM
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So you're to blame for having a bad doctor?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:02 PM
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That's the sad reality of the polarized nature of gender discourse at the moment. Everyone has responsibility in perpetuating this. But at the same time no one has, as it's a systematic problem. It's not your fault they respond in this way, but it's not really their fault they respond in this way either. When every conversation has a good chance of turning into a "this gender is better or worse" type of convo rather than a "this is how biases work so we can address them" you end up with people r…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:12 PM
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well, you're one of a few men who think so, so i guess there is a reason to argue to show that it is true, at least for me. Yeah that's fair, I just meant I won't argue against something that's obvious to observe. Doesn't really change my point. What's your ultimate point? i can understand your point, but it's usually still brings out that effect. It can in specific situations just like it can bring out the exact opposite in other specific situations. Personally I don't think it matters that muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:43 PM
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The competency bias is a real thing, there's no reason to argue with that as it's obviously true. But it's also perpetuated by women themselves, so is that in group bias or just general societal bias? Being competent is also not the same as being wonderful. Being deemed more competent actually sometimes causes the opposite because if you're deemed competent then that means you're assumed to be malicious more easily when you're doing something wrong. These two biases don't contradict each other, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:29 PM
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How can you get the ick from this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:30 PM
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Posting this about your own son is abusive, wtf.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 10:42 AM
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Being a switch is the superior way of being.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 10:10 AM
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Yeah, and that makes no sense at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:58 PM
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While saying casual is great too. Makes zero sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:44 PM
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https://youtu.be/wGcyklgrRg0?si=7nw4eFaCbwVi6hV2 I love this song.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 02:34 PM
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I bought a new computer literally for this
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:49 PM
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Lol I'm now remembering that casually explained video on this topic "Again you really can't tell"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:40 AM
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I'm rethinking the things female coworkers have said to me. But testing the waters was not really an option as we all had partners at that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:30 AM
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How do you know whether a woman is hitting on you or just being nice? Or maybe they just like you as a person but aren't attracted? I have been told I'm oblivious so now I'm questioning things lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:03 AM
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5'9, I am not that tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 06:38 AM
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Oh that's awesome to hear, congratulations! Do you already have a wedding date? What type of wedding would you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:33 PM
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Do they ever get offended about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:14 PM
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Thank you Sarai. You're always so kind to me, I appreciate it. Are you and your partner still going strong?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:08 PM
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She must also be able to put up with a lot of rhetorical arguments and hard to defy internal logic Yeah my mind is not for the weak. Most people would probably end up frustrated. But usually not the smart women. she must have a tough job if she wants to change your mind about things She already did on multiple fronts. do you ever debate with her about ppd subjects? Yes and I take her seriously each time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:05 PM
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I also have long hair and like getting my hair brushes too hahah. It's so relaxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:57 PM
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Thank you. She does. She's also very smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:54 PM
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Eh I try. I have my own flaws like everybody else. But I think a good trait I have is that I'm aware of them and admit to them. That way you become better over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:49 PM
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I didn't just gain a good friend. I gained 4 years of someone who showed me what love without abuse looks like, who taught me valuable lessons, who supported me with my own ambitions, who made me feel like my effort and love could actually mean something to someone as she's grown into a better person while she was with me who I'm proud of. When we met she probably didn't fully understand what she actually needed in a partner and neither did I. I probably still don't completely know, but I know a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:44 PM
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Does this sentence have a double meaning?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:34 PM
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No, things got too difficult. But we are still good friends. I met someone new recently who I like a lot though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:32 PM
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Not yet...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:26 PM
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I'd be open to trying, but with the understanding I'm worse than average at such things 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:24 PM
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I'm incompetent on that front. But brushing and playing with their hair is nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:21 PM
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It's not complicated that attraction towards someone and how you want to interact with them can be two different things. E.g., men who fall in love with a woman who likes to dress provocatively and then is upset when she continues to dress this way in a relationship. Yes, but on a population scale why would you assume this is the case for such a number of people that it would change the average? The fact is the vast majority of women express preferences for egalitarian relationships. If you're l…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:21 PM
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That has nothing to do with men having in group biases It does, because with how it is defined that would be contradicting. I can't think men and women are simultaneously wonderful as that concept is defined in a relative sense when used as an overarching thing. Your only counter to those studies would be that they have conceptual problems and that they are missing something, for example that there is no one such bias but multiple ones that are contextual. You think dudes threatening to take awa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:15 PM
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But this is a flawed leap of logic that not only ignores individual differences but conflates attraction with how a woman might want to interact with that man. A woman can even want a dominant man to be submissive to her, for example. I'm not ignoring individual differences as I was precise about the fact that I was speaking about averages. There was no moral weight in what I said, I don't think women have to be submissive. So individual women can definitely be dominant or neutral. But the avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:08 PM
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So how do you explain both men and women having a women are wonderful effect in many studies? Is there a conceptual issue in those studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:03 PM
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You do find that sentiment here on ppd and in the manosphere. But it's pretty rare in the general population of men in my experience. Conservatives are usually misogynistic, but they don't think men are perfect victims at all. In fact they constantly victim blame men themselves. But also the "taken women's rights back" is clearly very often a response towards being shamed for being male. It's a predictable response when men as a whole are being described as evil oppressors, because it contradict…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:44 PM
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Then why are there studies where women are asked to self-report what they find attractive that show women find some level of dominance in men attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:35 PM
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Aren't women on average naturally submissive when they are loved right? The men doing the coercing just want to bypass that condition no?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:21 PM
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That's the point, they aren't claiming men are great. You just perceive it as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:02 PM
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Imo your post doesn't prove your claim/title. What you're observing is men responding because they feel internal shame. That's not the same thing as having a men are wonderful bias. Studies consistently find the opposite phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:41 AM
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Is it bias or is it a bayesian statistical analysis? If your prior knowledge is that people will try to shame you rather than offering a productive conversation then it just seems like a logical response.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:39 AM
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Except when discussing moral intuition tests!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:31 PM
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I think in both cases people can learn. I don't really believe people are ever "lazy", rather I think they have mental health issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:15 PM
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One of the biggest issues is dealing with group members who have a lack of care/communication and work ethic yes. But even when you luck out on those, there is the issue of having people who don't have any skill in scientific writing or people who have no clue on how actually doing something if it's not filling in predetermined questions on a test. The education system ruins people's ability to work independently.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:22 PM
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Group projects just suck no matter who you're working with lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:37 PM
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You can never know the intention of strangers, especially not online, so this should be your default assumption: that you don’t know their intention, whether they have strong morals or not, whether they care deeply or not. You simply do not know. Whether they hold frame or get upset easily. You should always assume you don’t know. So not assume indifference either. Yeah very true, often you can't reliably know someone else's intention, only your own 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:50 AM
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It's one of the most annoying debate tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:11 AM
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It's a skill and it's a responsibility everyone has. But at the same sometimes there's really nothing you can do to be perceived correctly. Which I find very frustrating. Probably not the most mature behavior of me but sometimes I then start to intentionally mess with people because they will misunderstand me anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:08 AM
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There’s a difference between authority and abuse, and collapsing them into the same thing is lazy thinking. Authority will always collapse into abuse on a population level unless the right checks and balances are invented.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:58 AM
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Very true. It's very bizarre for me as well sometimes. I seem more emotional when I write online, but the exact opposite happens in real life. Then I seem like I don't feel much, when I do, and then people hurt me because they think I didn't feel much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:51 AM
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That makes sense and I agree. I'm just saying a lot of people can appear to be holding frame when in reality they are just indifferent or unobservant. It's not that they are good at emotional regulation, it's just that they don't feel any emotions about anything except for their selfish self interest, or they lack awareness about what is going on. This creates a problematic perception where people think someone who's genuinely concerned about society is emotionally unstable, while someone who do…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:43 AM
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Holding frame is overrated imo. Sometimes people who get upset are the ones who have the strongest morals and those who care the most about the wellbeing of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:30 AM
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Guys who don't get it simply don't understand how much scary shit women deal with from men, and worse, they often don't believe us. I've had men tell me I'm lying when I say multiple men have yelled at me for not wanting their number when they randomly approached me in public! So then why do I understand that and still think man vs bear is bad? I simply think people are responsible for what they say, regardless of their trauma. If your reaction to women being scared of men is "this sucks for me …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 04:24 AM
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Dehumanisation? Feels like you didn’t actually read what I wrote. It’s symbolic, not literal. It’s not meant as category 1 (moral accusation = men are violent animals), it’s meant as category 2 and 3 (risk perception and emotional signaling). These are the intentions. They don’t point to dehumanisation. You “perceive it as such”. But it’s not the intention of feminists using the analogy. You’re misreading the intention behind the entire symbolism. I just don't agree with your whole framing or co…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:50 PM
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Category error. That’s a direct moral and political claim about what women should be allowed to do (rights, obligations, explicit political view). That’s not a symbolic comparison used as emotion signaling. You appear to not really notice a difference between: 1) Saying “men are violent animals” (= moral accusation) 2) Saying “I statistically feel safer with X” (= risk perception) 3) Saying “my lived experience makes me distrustful” (= emotional signal) You make a category error collapsing these…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:37 PM
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This sort of defensiveness is never healthy, neither morally justified. Whether from women or men. When someone signals something, you don’t center yourself in response. Period. You hold that space for them. So when someone signals to you that they think women are awful and belong in the kitchen, should have their rights taken away etc your response is to hold space for them? Not defensiveness? Not moral concern? Because it means you can’t separate your personal self from the group you belong to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:36 PM
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You do it to inspire for rethinking. Man vs bear is that. A test to inspire rethinking. I don't believe that that is what it is. I believe it is a dogwhistle for a bigoted belief system. It’s intellectually weak but socially revealing. The rage proves the mechanism works. Women aren’t making a risk calculation, they’re signaling distrust in accountability and seeing whether men can sit with that implication for 5 seconds without centering themselves. Imo it reveals that the women who say that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:39 PM
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Having a cat and have it like you is as well
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 03:57 PM
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A therapist once cancelled on me without letting me know 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 03:53 PM
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did. I’m sorry you didn’t like it snd made you emotional You didn't. You made one very weak argument that doesn't actually disprove what I said, and an ad hominem about what I'm supposedly doing. I’m keeping the debate to the actual points, not going off to your own agenda I disagree. You're keeping the debate to points you can easily dismiss. Else you respond with ad hominems. I’m not attacking men, I’m saying unless asked, we don’t want your opinions, and stop making our choices about you. Wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:06 PM
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Again dude I’m sorry if your feeling emotional but let’s try to keep our personal responses out of it Projection. I’m not here to coddle you, No but you're supposed to respond to what I actually said. Which is not what you did. Instead you made up all kinds of things because you didn't want to engage with my actual argument. it’s mostly just personal attacks from men being offended that we don’t care for their opinions I'm not offended and neither did I make any personal attacks towards you. I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:49 AM
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I’m sorry if my post or comments made you feel emotional but this is a debate sub so please don’t take things personally. You're being far more emotional than I am as evident by how much you're reading into what I said that I never actually said. But it's not because you're a woman. The problem is you're not debating in good faith and I find this annoying. When you make a debate post you're supposed to show interest in counterpoints, not dismiss them with made up framings. And yes, you made wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:23 AM
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Comparing someone to a stationary plant is better than an animal mostly used as teddies? Yes because bear in that example really refers to a teddybear when the example is about violence 🙄🙄🙄 Yeah, this is called moving the goalposts. Men made womens choices about them and just like in your comments tried to play it that men are the real victims here as men can’t find their identity, completely ignoring the violence against women that brought them to picking them bear in the first place. I'm not p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:04 AM
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I keep finding these types of takes on the man vs bear debate to be incredibly ironic and deeply lacking in self-awareness. You call young men selfish and entitled for responding negatively to it, but you are yourself responding negatively to their reaction by calling them selfish and entitled. Which suggests you yourself are selfish and entitled by your own logic as you don't allow them to respond based on their own experiences either. You're suggesting women are entitled to expressing opinions…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:51 AM
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I didn't say you were, but when did I ever say I would force someone into a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:20 PM
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I'm sorry dude but not making a backhanded insult like you just did, because you're not even understanding where I'm coming from is also "basic politeness".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:18 PM
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Even debating is not equivalent to arguing. Arguing is like yelling and insulting in my view.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:14 PM
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Your comment/post was removed, because it made a derogatory statement about a demographic group or individual, based on their race, gender, sexual orientation or identity. It is good practice to qualify who you are talking about, especially when it comes to groups based on innate characteristics. “Many men” used instead of men in general, or “many white people” used instead of white people in general will likely avoid accusations of violating this rule. If you disagree with this ruling, please a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/26 06:15 PM
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Well no, of course. Not on a first date. But I don't understand the idea that discussing a topic is the same as arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:05 PM
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Statistics show that men are less likely to leave relationships where they are unhappy. This is a valid thing to be concerned about in itself. It's related to how society teaches men that their feelings are unimportant. But they don't say there are zero happy marriages from the side of men. People generally report higher wellbeing when married then when single, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:59 PM
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I don't know if I still think this is true. A maybe surprising number of people (including women) prefer someone who dares to have their own opinions instead of being overly nice about it. It just doesn't seem that way on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:49 PM
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Because a “normal man” would know you shouldn’t be trying to argue and denigrate someone if you realistically want them to like you or date you So a normal man changes his opinion based on how much pussy that gets him? How is that having any integrity?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:46 PM
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Thanks for being able to acknowledge it. And for helping them with it. Normally I don't automatically believe someone when they say they care about men who are abused as it's often used to win a reddit argument but you have been a consistently kind and good faith person here so I believe you. We need more people like you in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:41 PM
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If a woman is an abuser or rapist or something, it's just relegated to her Even that often doesn't happen. Then it's "well what did you do to make her behave this way" 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:36 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:34 PM
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Agreed on all fronts. But it doesn't change what I said. It happens so many times here that people pretend men magically cause all of their own problems. I'm only saying it because the cases where this is claimed very often make no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:18 PM
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Because they selectively pretend the world is just/fair and that when someone (usually a young man) has something bad happen they had it coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:50 PM
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Your post/comment was removed, because it contained a personal attack on another user. Please try to keep your contributions civil. Attack the idea rather than the individual, and default to the assumption that the other person is engaging in good faith. If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 01:46 PM
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I appreciate the high effort post, thanks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 01:39 PM
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Your post/comment was removed, because it contained a personal attack on another user. Please try to keep your contributions civil. Attack the idea rather than the individual, and default to the assumption that the other person is engaging in good faith. If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 01:10 PM
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You have never been insulted here??? I have been insulted so many times and I'm literally a mod, they still don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:21 PM
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Yeah that's very true. Although I don't feel that way when it comes to my personal relationships with women, when it comes to doing activism for women I don't really see it as my responsibility anymore to the extent I once saw it. And its because of how common things like this are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 10:07 PM
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Ah yeah. I guess mostly in the hilly areas. I'm going to England next weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:02 PM
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So long? In which country do you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:51 PM
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Yeah we had snow today and I made a photo walk in the city. More than 10 years ago since I had that opportunity lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:58 PM
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My mom played this shit too many times, sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:10 PM
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Nah that's still not great.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:32 PM
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Yes, country music sucks ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:54 PM
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How do you mean disability
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 05:26 PM
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Yeah it has allowed people to self select friends that are ideologically as similar to them as possible. Which encourages polarisation. Its hard to dehumanize a group of people when you regularly talk to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 12:50 PM
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Things like: X tiptoeing around the fact that life is not fair for anyone X excessively shielding feminists and leftwingers from criticism and responsibility for their own mistakes X acting like men who struggle with dating only do so because of their own actions or beliefs X reducing any criticism of their framework to "you're used to privilege" instead of acknowledging it's weaknesses X underestimating how gender neutral abuse is, and acting like abused men are rare exceptions to the norm X in…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:48 AM
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My opinion of redpill is that it's mostly wrong but not completely wrong. Bluepill is defined as not being redpill, so I'm more bluepill then redpill in that sense. But bluepill in practice usually is a marker for the types of takes that imo are as inaccurate and emotionally loaded as the redpill is, so I don't feel that label practically represents my own beliefs well. So I call myself purple because I think it most accurately reflects my belief system.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:29 AM
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I call myself purple pill to avoid this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:25 AM
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These kinds of people are operating from defensiveness but they don't understand how much of a strategic failure they are being. Not only is this untrue, but it also pits women and men against each other and it alienates and hurts men to the point more of them will become misogynistic because of rethoric like this. Which doesn't protect women, it harms them as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 10:58 AM
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Everything you said is in alignment with what I said. They are expected to not be stable, so they are considered professionally inferior. It harms women. But it is not an expectation of being mentally stable, it's the exact opposite of that expectation. And it can lead to women desperately trying to prove that they are stable, and resenting their own emotions which is real suffering that deserves to be discussed. But it's not the same as being expected to be stable and stoic. That's all I'm sayi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:00 AM
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Yeah, but in both directions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:46 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:24 PM
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Real
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:04 PM
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I think my own view is more accurate 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:51 PM
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I look forward to you also chiding all the men who love to say "choose better" if you consider that advice. There is an active thread right now that is just waiting for you to sweep in with the perfectly useless statement. 1) I'm a mod here and my reaction needs to be understood as coming from that angle. People are not allowed to make posts asking for advice so that means when people make posts describing dynamics people in the comments should also focus on that instead of offering personal adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:42 PM
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Are you talking about society or in a relationship? Because you are comparing apples to oranges. OP is claiming that men do unrecognized emotional labor in a relationship, not that society is more accepting of when women lose their cool than men. These things are connected to each other in my view. . In society, women are expected to cool down their men all the time and deescalate situations when their men get a temper. Yes but that only refers to anger and usually in specific contexts. With any…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:57 PM
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Really not to the same extent. Who do you think received the most acceptance and empathy? A woman who cries in public or a man? A woman who loses their patience or a man? A woman who is hitting someone or a man? A woman who is yelling or a man? A man who is asking for help or a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:47 PM
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Some women who grew up with inconsistent fathers (like she said) were taught to tiptoe, measure temperature, adapt and be mentally stable and dependable as well. Maybe that’s not specifically a script around courtship like the OP described but women experience these things as well, depending on their attachment styles and bonds with their parents (fathers specifically). That shows that there's variability between men and women as gender is not the only relevant explanatory variable. I'm not clai…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:45 PM
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This isn't fully gender neutral. The expectation to be stoic and mentally stable in a romantic relationship leans disproportionately towards the male side, do you deny this? This is also a debate sub, not an advice sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:17 AM
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Yes that should be the main priority in a country collapsing under its own inability to regulate the wealth distribution and to prevent corruption resulting in fascism 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:58 PM
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This completely ignores that redpillers regularly make claims that are easily disproven empirically. Deductive reasoning does not necessarily require empirical grounding, as a logical chain can still be logical even if it doesn't describe anything real. But you're bringing empirical observation into it and from that point someone critiquing the false conclusions being made does not imply they don't understand deductive reasoning. It can also mean they just disagree that it is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:52 AM
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What on earth did I just read
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:48 PM
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A guy randomly told you that? That's also creepy in its own right damn.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:32 PM
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Yeah but my point is anyone can frame that in an innocent or problematic, there's no way to know what's actually going on
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 06:24 PM
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Nothing wrong with that, but how is not also exploiting wealth disparities by his own logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 05:21 PM
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Didn't you recently say you were fucking women in Brazil?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:30 PM
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Is that what is offensive, or does the offensiveness come from endlessly repeated messages about how bad men are but without any path towards improvement being offered? I think there's nothing wrong with what you described in your comment but lots of people go way further than that. There isn't really anything any human being can do about being negatively affected about being stereotyped in a negative way. That's something that happens automatically. If you endlessly hear negative messages about…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:27 PM
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It is one of the most radicalizing things to see tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:44 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:53 PM
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Not of anonymous men on the internet either. They either tell you to be a pushover or to be an abuser. I don't want to be either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 09:02 AM
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Yes please do
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 07:52 PM
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You didn't address what he said. He said men have less rights and you just said that this is not a big deal. Not that it isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:37 PM
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It's almost as if your feelings get stronger the more you love someone 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:15 PM
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That's true
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:46 PM
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You're getting mod privileges from me now (jk)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:32 PM
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I disagree, kindness consistently ranks somewhere in the top 5 in studies about what people find attractive both in men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:01 PM
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Please tell me it's the real thing and not a fake American version
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:39 AM
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Let's be real here being kind and good isn't that common. Unless he's defining it as "not an asshole"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:32 AM
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They have gruyere in the US???
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:31 AM
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Not everything that is moral or even practical needs to be legal. If someone leaves another person because of a silly reason I don't have to agree with how they conduct themselves. The truth is some reasons for leaving someone are stupid and/or self-sabotaging. But for some reason we always like to pretend all choices, preferences and wants are equally defendable. They aren't, even if you're allowed to have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:52 PM
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Basically I don't assume that what someone wants is something they purely decide for themselves. What someone wants is influenced by all kinds of factors. So just saying "everyone should do what they want" is not as morally obvious as you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:09 PM
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Can you be more specific on what part you want an example of? I appreciate that you're trying to understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:05 PM
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Yes, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:02 PM
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I already addressed this, I believe anyone has the legal right to leave at anytime, so clearly I am not doing that. That doesn't change the fact that social norms exist. That also doesn't change the fact that people don't just exist as individuals in one relationship but that all the people together create macro effects. People don't find others boring randomly, it's related to social norms, the way technology interacts with their senses, and their ability to introspect. We live in a world where…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:40 PM
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I personally don't understand why this topic always has to be stretched towards two extremes. You can simultaneously believe that that anyone has the legal right to leave at any time and still look critically towards some reasons people cite (I'm saying people because this is gender neutral for me) for leaving. And towards the macro outcome of people being quick to leave. I don't think anyone is owed an explanation, but the truth is that the macro outcome of enough people leaving over the smalle…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:14 PM
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I second what another person said. In my experience most women don't seem to understand how much emotional labour they themselves require from a male partner and so the whole emotional labour conversation that is had on their terms feels alienating to many men. Also I'm not actually simple, I'm as emotionally complex as you so yes if you do something without actively considering my feelings, thinking I didn't feel anything, it will hurt just like it would if I did the same in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:39 PM
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Argument 1 describes something true, but it doesn't mean the conclusion is warranted (that it should be considered an equal form of homeless) but both cases are bad. Because people shouldn't be living without shelter, and they shouldn't be having to sell their dignity for shelter either. Argument 2 is partly true but incomplete. It's true women will end up doing sex work when in poverty more than men. The incompleteness comes from the fact that men will end up doing criminality and be in gangs m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 10:21 AM
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Information isn't always of the kind "this is how the world works" It can also of the kind "I care about you" or "I don't care about you" When you're communicating information it's a failure if you can't say "this is how the world works" without also saying "I care about you". That's why just always being brutally honest doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:25 PM
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That doesn't fully address what I said though. Maybe I don't just want to hear what I want to hear, but I still have some boundaries and standards for what is acceptable to think. For example someone saying"men are trash" or "women are inferior" is going to make me lose respect for someone. But something like: "I disagree with the epistemology you're using because..." It might not directly be what I wanted to hear in the sense that it doesn't stroke my ego, but it is honest feedback that can hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:53 PM
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That's just the sad reality of people judging you based on what's considered normal. Making deprecating jokes is more normalized in male groups than in female groups. And exactly because it is normalized, it is not seen as reflective of any bad motivation. It is assumed that it was a joke and that there was no malicious motivation. But when you do it, that's not in alignment with the norm, so they wonder "did she actually lose respect for me" instead of assuming you wanted to joke around. Is it …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:06 PM
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It's kinda hard to know whether someone is mad about the directness or about the content of what is said as well to be honest. Like, if I say something extremely hateful or something that's utterly false and they don't like it, I don't really get to call another person a hypocrite just because they asked for direct communication. Like if I ask for direct communication and someone tells me they deny the holocaust happened I'm gonna be mad. But not because they were direct. Because what they said …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 04:52 PM
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Eh I don't believe it sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:47 PM
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If every single person you meet insults you to much it could be that you're misinterpreting what they meant. I have male friends who have never insulted me, except when it was clearly meant as a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:15 PM
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I agree. Generally I only employ being tactless with someone who has crossed multiple lines though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:08 PM
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But that’s not what guys advocate on this sub. They don’t lead with nuance. They lead with edgelordiness. And many of them claim to want “brutal honesty.” Yeah I agree. It seems to be a (young) male thing even tho I don't think it's the majority of men. There's also a form of this that's more useful and not as assholish. Which is being the devils advocate to actually improve understanding. But you need to have enough empathy to pull that off. And it’s not just this sub, I’ve known guys IRL all m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:03 PM
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Isn't there a grey nuance zone here? Can it be that men want slightly more direct communication on average? Without that meaning they want to overly blunt brutally honest communication. I mean I definitely don't want the latter and I don't pretend otherwise. There's also a way to be direct without being offensive, that's just something that takes skill and most people don't have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:46 AM
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The point of history is to study the things you should never do again. Not to erase it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 07:38 AM
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Yeah I think people don't realize that the US Civil war had less virtuous motivations. It was more about economics than dislike for slavery imo.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 07:00 AM
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That doesn't make sense. Being selfish itself makes one less attractive. Being generous (in all meanings of the word) is considered a desirable trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:21 AM
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They do social engineering to counter the existing social engineering that privileges men. Yeah but that's contradictory on some level. If you have the power to make institutions do social engineering in your favour, then you can no longer claim someone else has the power to use them against your favour. But clearly men see addressing an equality imbalance as discrimination bedause they are accustomed to privilege. Reality is far more complicated than that. You can't prove that this engineering …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:00 PM
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That depends on how you define a patriarchal society. "Doesn't take away" really obscures the difficulty of actually understanding the world imo. I think that even the academic theories of patriarchy don't really deal with this complexity very well. There's an inherent contradiction in activism too, because it usually centers around those considered injusticed. The problem is that having your injustice seen and addressed by society in the first place is already a privilege that seems to contradi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:26 PM
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This doesn't address the contradiction. Clearly if men were truly oppressive tyrants over women they wouldn't have been reachable by campaigns and protests and neither would some of them have participated in those protests themselves. And there's another contradiction, which is that men themselves have had to do the exact same thing for all of human history. Are men truly oppressive tyrants over men too, or is the conclusion that using "men" and "women" as unified groups doesn't actually make se…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:03 PM
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Every counterargument and critique of your logic that could possibly be said have most likely already been exhausted He's probably frustrated because there isn't really a possible counterargument or logical chain of reasoning to be made that actually disproves the core of his claim. Only at the edges can counterarguments be made, because the core claim is just objectively correct by definition of the concept of inequality and basic mathematics. But that doesn't result in people being outraged, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 02:45 PM
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I don't think you're being fair towards him. Just pointing out the moral asymmetry does not magically change the reality we are forced to live in. Blaming them is not effective enough, it does not change the opinion of the population at large. This question should not be about blame in the first place but about strategy instead. It's not men's fault they struggle advocating for themselves but the reality is no one will magically come to save us from that fact. A group that is systemically mistre…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 08:06 AM
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They shouldn't. The tension comes from the fact that I can't automatically believe anyone who claims they do everything is being accurate in their assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:14 AM
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Looks amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:19 PM
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I don't believe in gatekeeping. No one owns a hobby and has the right to prevent someone else from participating. I hold the same beliefs when it comes to cultural appropriation, as far as I'm concerned it's not a real thing. No one owns a culture either. One thing I will say is that once a space flips from male dominated to female dominated there is suddenly more censorship and indirect communication. I don't feel as happy in those places, is the most honest thing I can say.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 04:50 PM
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I can't relate. My dick does the exact opposite. I find it hot when a woman disagrees with me and/or holds me accountable for a mistake I made. That's how I know I have a partner and not a dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:15 PM
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Being concerned for your own safety and taking precautions is valid. Hating a whole group of people based on an immutable characteristic is not and neither is making negative generalisations about that whole group of people to the point you try to make them feel collective guilt. This really isn't complicated. Trauma and fear doesn't remove accountability from your behavior regardless of your gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:09 PM
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Do you have any examples where the framework does include some kind of limits? Because my view is that the framework is limitless by design, so if that's the case then it seems to me like it necessarily does follow from the framework in its current form. That doesn't mean it's impossible to have a patriarchy harms men to explanation with clearly defined limits but as far as I'm aware that simply doesn't exist currently, whether academically or in the popular discourse. The only thing I see is "w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 07:00 AM
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Where I differ is that I see this as a failure of application and incentive structures, not proof that the framework cannot function analytically at all. Why though? I agree that naive falsificationism as proposed by Popper doesn't work however to me it seems clear that in this case the framework itself encourages this type of failed application. If your theory is so open to fitting any datapoint even those that would contradict each other you create a downward spiral towards such failed applica…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 04:11 PM
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The issue here is that "serious feminist theory" is mostly confined in academic papers, while "strawman feminists" are the majority of the one you find in blogs/articles and in social media. I don't agree with this. The academic papers are also often written by these strawman feminists. Serious feminist theory does erase class in favour of gender, and they don't need to openly say so to do so. What they don't write about in comparison to what they do write about shows this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 03:57 PM
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Yeah, ans we built those ourselves and advocated for ourselves. Men are the ones who put us in those shelters and gave us a reason to need one I never understand this argument. When looking historically y'all constantly frame men building something exclusive for themselves as oppression, sexist, exclusionary, unfair etc. But somehow when women build something for themselves and exclude men from those things it's something admirable and "self-made". It doesn't change the fact that the outcome of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:12 PM
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Its just being kind and nice is the bare minimum too. How though? Do you think the majority of people are kind? I'd even argue with how the word kind is defined in many places it's impossible for it to be bare minimum by definition. Because when someone is called kind, it usually implies "kinder than the average person" or "kinder than other people I know". There's so many people with personality disorders, general selfishness, lack of emotional intelligence, excessive insecurities, emotional in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 09:26 AM
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It's possible I'm in the minority I don't know. I have never experienced "blue balls" personally, although science says it is a real thing and can actually hurt for some men. But I don't think it justifies going mad. I kind of have the opposite problem. I can't always finish because my mind is scared of losing control because I have shame regarding my sexuality. And then I start thinking about how the woman I'm with might blame herself if I don't finish, which gives me performance anxiety and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 07:10 AM
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What's funny about it? There's so many examples of this. Men being expected to go to war, to fight off intruders, to protect women, to work long and hard hours to provide for their family, to ignore their own emotions, to do the dangerous tasks etc. Men are socialized to express love and care through self-sacrifice through the hero fantasy that is fed to them. Now I personally think the female gender role requires just as much as sacrifices. But arguing this is something uniquely female doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:46 PM
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Imagine how most dudes would react if women didn’t care if they finished every time or not. They’d go mental. Would they? I don't think I would to be honest. I don't mind not finishing each time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:37 PM
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Men are somewhat naturally selfish and women are socialized to be self-sacrificial These kinds of claims always confuse me. Isn't self sacrifice something that is mainly associated with the male gender role?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:35 PM
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Most advice given towards men in life in general is quite bad because most people including men themselves give less empathy towards other men and most people get emotional satisfaction from painting a narrative to men that it's their own fault because it confirms their own cultural narrative. Gender roles harm men far more than people are willing to admit. When I was in an abusive relationship when I searched for advice people were hellbend on making it into a "well what you did you do to make …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:19 PM
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I will give some real advice supported by science. Stop setting some grand dating or relationship ambition or goal. You will get overly nervous and will try to force women to like you. The hobby advice is actually good, because it's better to find joy in the moment and try new things rather than obsess about a big long term goal. The stepping stones towards finding a good partner cannot be known in advance. It's random interactions that determine which people you meet, but you increase your chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 01:05 PM
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Intelligence/emotional intelligence, voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:13 AM
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I definitely agree. Sometimes easier said than done though. Many people are shamed from a young age, myself included unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 04:56 PM
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Being in the actual dominant role without being a violent asshole is an extremely loving thing to do to someone else but people aren't ready to hear that. I have a theory that being dominant is how you express love for someone else and being submissive is how you feel loved by someone else. And this extends far beyond just sexually. Your parents are a dominant figure in your life as a child and they can either show you that you're loved by not abusing this power or they can show you you're unlov…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 03:59 PM
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Says who? Based on what evidence? My personal perception/experience is the exact opposite. Where I live (Western Europe) I feel like the culture considers women's preferred manner of communication in romantic relationships the correct/right communication style. There is far more of an expectation on men to adjust to that than in reverse. Telling men to be more indirect, careful and validating in their communication style is considered very common and normal relationship advice. Meanwhile suggest…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 11:55 AM
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That doesn't make sense. Having to change your communication style does create constant additional work. I don't even agree with your premises but even if I follow them your conclusion doesn't make sense. Communication is work just like anything else in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 08:51 AM
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Western society emotionally neglects boys and teaches girls to be overly docile and indirect in their communication. Neither of these things are great imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 08:56 PM
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Overly exaggerated imo but it still contains a kernel of truth imo. Even if I don't completely agree, this alternative explanation as pushback to the most popular one was very much needed. The whole idea that men expect women to do emotional labour for them because they don't have as big of a social circle is not completely without merit, but it kind of takes some very questionable assumptions for granted, such as that men generate as much emotional labour for the people around them as women do …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:47 AM
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My counter is that it's a human problem. Both men and women do it to other men, and men even do it to themselves. I'm speaking from experience unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:32 AM
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Both men and women also belong to the group of "human" which makes this point moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:29 AM
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Yeah effort. But not necessarily effort done for expressing affection towards their partner. You can have a woman taking care of the house who still treats you with indifference and as a placeholder. You can have a man be a breadwinner and still treat you with indifference and as a placeholder. There's far more to relationships than just doing chores or providing financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:13 PM
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I mean, I'm someone with the opinion that it's problematic that unpaid labour (and even unpaid consumption) doesn't get properly valued in our society so that's not the reason why I didn't see the relevance. Doing household chores is labour that should be valued but it doesn't necessarily say much about how much someone loves you and sees you as special. That's why I was confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:12 PM
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That seems irrelevant to the comment they made
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:12 PM
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Truly being “irreplaceable” is actually a toxic codependent dynamic. I'm glad someone said it. I found this out the hard way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:06 PM
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Yeah just like how they see the genders associated with it. Men do things out of choice, women are acted upon by their environment. They perpetuate the same gender bias they claim to find problematic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 10:54 AM
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Why do so many women on this subreddit act like they are some innocent individual that was somehow forced into the gender war with no agency at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 09:46 PM
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That phrase is annoying because it presupposes someone is privileged in the first place. It's a phrase on the level of "none of your criticism matters to me because you're just a hater". It's just a way to dismiss what someone's saying based on an ad hominem rather than on the merit of their argument. The assumption that any skewing towards a gender is the result of discrimination and should be corrected is also problematic. It creates a situation where no group of people is allowed to be better…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 09:43 PM
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I think it is more nuanced than what you're making it seem. What if his pleasure depends on being able to please you without using certain toys? Validation is a form of pleasure itself. Things like vibrators are fine as far as I'm concerned but things like penis sleeves are icky to me. I don't think it's absurd that someone feels this way. But that's my view.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:00 PM
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... people wanting to feel like they are good enough is absurd to you???
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 06:52 PM
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It depends on the type of toy. But also, I'm kinda tired of people making it seem like it's never okay to have an ego thing. You have an ego for a reason, both having too little and too much of it is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 06:43 PM
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Respectfully but how? How do you think there's no one who thinks that? I feel it all the time myself too. When I'm out with my girlfriend or a female friend people treat me way better than if I'm out alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:36 AM
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You could also argue that the government enforcing alimony is making traditional relationships more competitive than they'd otherwise be. If alimony didn't exist you'd be a fool to decide to be a SAHP. But my problem with alimony is not the paying of money itself it's that I feel like it's an attack on the autonomy of the past breadwinner. Meaning the idea that you have to provide a lifestyle you had in the past. It practically means you're not allowed to change your life anymore. What if you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:44 AM
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Depends on how you define good. That's such a vague word that it's almost impossible to debate anything about it. I agree no one picks a partner mainly because they lack evilness. But men who can't find a partner are often implied to be evil so there's a lot wrong with the messages that are being given to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:50 PM
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I don't see the world in a simple binary of good and evil. Most men are average on the spectrum just like most women. They are selfless sometimes selfish other times. Most men are not excessively cruel and violent but most men aren't extremely wholesome either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:35 PM
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less interested in compensating SAHPs or breadwinner parents for their respective sacrifices, and more interested in ensuring both parties have their financial stability covered in the future, regardless of whether the marriage persists. But that favours one party over the other even if that's not the intention. I'd argue that instead the government should ensure no one ends in poverty regardless of the reasons why
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:31 PM
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Imo no, they should get something but it's also kind of immoral to force someone to continue to work to provide a lifestyle they had in the past. Like imagine you're a breadwinner doing a taxing but high paying job for 10 years and then realizing it's bad for your health and that you wanna do something else even if it means a downgrade to your lifestyle. But then you can't because you're forced to pay alimony to maintain a previous lifestyle. This is a form of slavery of sorts. I think we should…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:01 PM
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There's one problem though. Breadwinners sacrifice as well, namely their own health and emotional wellbeing, and connection and closeness towards their kids. Should we take this into account as well when calculating alimony? Because otherwise the breadwinner loses if you only focus on the lost financial value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:53 PM
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No. That's a type of value or belief system I don't respect. And it can literally put me in danger to be partnered with someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 12:02 PM
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It's even worse for relationship advice when you're already in a relationship. Both men and women will give you advice that will make you remain stuck in an abusive relationship if you're unlucky enough to have picked someone abusive. The whole shtick is basically "you're a man so you're responsible for how she feels no matter how unreasonable". It's way better to figure this out for yourself than to listen to anyone in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:59 AM
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In general men in abusive relationships could leave those relationships without a fear of being beaten, raped or murdered as a result. But you can get thrown in jail for a false accusation, or in some countries become homeless by being thrown out of your own house and lose access to your kids. Even when you call the police yourself there's a reasonable chance you will be arrested yourself. Your reputation and career can be ruined just by words and very few people will ever believe you. I swear p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 12:03 AM
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I think I fundamentally disagree that peoples emotions such as anger are mainly determined by how they think about the purpose of others. It might influence it somewhat but it's not the main driver of someone being mad. I think it's more accurate that people who are staying mad do so either because they don't feel like their needs are being met, or they have lived through traumatic experiences caused by that other group or people they are mad at. Or sometimes they are mad at something else entir…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 11:47 PM
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I'm not bitter at all but I'm still told these things from time to time and I'm 27
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 07:19 PM
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It's almost as if the small minority of rich men with power don't care about the majority of other men who don't have any more power than you do. This is not a case of not getting it, it's a case of not wanting to get it because you're being to stubborn to change your belief system.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 12:33 PM
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I was agreeing with your title but in your post you're still doing the same thing that pushes men away. There is no need for endlessly going over the suffering of other groups before you're allowed to speak about men. Same with calling men more privileged than women. Based on what and defined by who? The concept of aggregated privilege is very subjective when there is mutual sexism in both directions. This kind of overconfidence in assessing that women have it objectively worse is what has ruine…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 12:20 PM
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Emotional support, someone who warms your heart, cuddles, kisses, shared vacations and trips, a unique perspective on life and an opportunity for growth, shared division of labour, a family, ... Y'all's views are self- fulfilling prophecies
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:28 PM
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yeah as someone from Europe this is alienating to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 09:18 PM
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However, to use an example, just because I believe the United States does representative democracy in a flawed manner, and has flawed beliefs surrounding representative democracies, doesn’t mean I disagree with the theory of representative democracies overall. I understand your point, but this gets used to just remove any responsibility. It's like with communism, I'm leftwing myself but this argument "well the sovjet union was not true communism" is annoying for the same reason. I don't like no …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:32 PM
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I mean reading academic feminism and observing feminists at the universities I have studied and worked at? Like am I supposed to ignore how sexist and unscientific their theories about domestic violence are? How they teach police to arrest men by default even when they are the victim? How they engage in nothing less than scientific fraud by misusing statistics to support their unfounded theories? How they intimidate scientists (including with violence) who demonstrate the problems with their the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:24 PM
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But academic feminism is similar... I don't get why people pretend this is some kind of online phenomenon
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:31 PM
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In my case I just disagree with what you're claiming it is. You're being overconfident in your ability to know what anything truly is. I think your interpretation of what feminism is here is highly idealistic, naive and theoretical. It doesn't align with the actions that have actually been taken in its name. Whether feminism does or does not attack men as a social group is very dependent on interpretation and how much you trust people. In my experience many people intellectualize and rationalize…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:30 PM
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It would be nice if you gave actual arguments for your position, because what you have done now is merely describe what your opinion is and called someone else dumb for disagreeing. Society has created two different classes based on gender: men and women and men are inherently at the top of this hierarchy. When a woman conforms to the patriarchy, it comes only at the cost of herself, maybe to other women through some judgement but that doesn't even necessarily have to be the case. And women conf…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/25 08:22 AM
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Most casual sex as in just the amount or with how many different people? Because this is a different metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:58 AM
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Play stupid games, win stupid prices.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:53 AM
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A problem is also is that you don't have to be brought to court to have your reputation damaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:50 AM
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There's absolutely nothing in biology that says anyone is supposed to be able to freely select their mates or that evolution should select a particular outcome. Genetic drift and rape exist in nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:03 PM
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I have no clue what point you're trying to make
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:54 PM
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I don't understand the glorification of social skills on this subreddit tbh. Or maybe it's that I feel like those people usually described as having many social skills are just really extroverted people with little conscience who don't mind lying to others. Rarely does it seem to include awareness of your oan emotions, self-control and the ability to apologise and self-improve. So why would I want to have "social skills" if these are often not included?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:46 PM
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Doesn't align at all with my experiences. Almost every woman I have ever met enjoyed listening to me talk about my passions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:37 AM
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Knowing better what's good for someone than he knows himself is just a general problem in academia, to be honest. Academia tries to solve problems, but hereby, it also runs into questionable terrain because did people even ask for their problems to be solved? What if someone doesn't want their problems to be solved for them? You can see this in food policy and what happened during the covid pandemic. The question of what is good is extremely hard to answer. If I want to eat unhealthy food and li…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:43 AM
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I mean, one problem also is that studies consistently find that most people assign more agency towards men. This implies that blaming men, rather than women, is the default behaviour both in women and men themselves. So it really comes across to me as if people are just upset when people don't blame men, so they accuse them of blaming women. It's projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 09:38 AM
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Nothing in biology or nature is supposed to be. Your own argument eats it's own tail but you don't seem to realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:49 AM
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I'm genuinely confused where people are seeing all these men blaming women for their loneliness. This is talked about so often, but it's always a woman starting the convo, I have never actually seen a man talk about loneliness and blame it on women. It seems to be more so that people are far to quick to assume men are blaming women when they are just complaining about their life, and not pretending like everything is the fault of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:58 AM
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If she loves you enough this would work
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:43 PM
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I don't cheat because 1) I'm not an asshole and recognise the impact my actions have on my loved ones 2) Cheating creates drama and suffering for myself. I don't want to get yelled at or having to remember my own lies
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:37 PM
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Then why don't I see this happen in society around me? Monogamy is still the default.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 06:24 PM
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This another one of these solutions that will make it worse, which will then be used as a reason to double down even further. The tragedy of modern society is doing things that don't work and just doubling down because it looks/feels good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/25 08:49 AM
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I'm 27 and recently broke up with my gf of 4 years. And I feel old, there's not enough time in this life to love.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:06 PM
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I think men should learn something from feminists in this case. They should stop finding it okay to be pushed in the provider role so easily without conversation about fairness and division of labour.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:14 PM
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I am a man, did you miss this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:18 PM
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I don't understand this angle. Women wanting to have autonomy over their lives is a reasonable request. Obviously, this means more negotiation is needed in relationships about dividing the labour. Why would you not be allowed to want the autonomy to pick the job you want and also want a relationship where the division of labour is discussed in a productive manner? This isn't unreasonable to want. It sounds sexist because it is sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:25 PM
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What’s ironic is that women also grow up realizing some deeply uncomfortable things about men, and while we don’t like these discoveries, we generally learn to navigate them without turning them into an ideology built on resentment. I agree with your criticism of red pillers being outraged but I don't understand this claim. The popular branches of feminism clearly express resentment towards men. This is clearly also an example of an ideology built on resentment just as much as the redpill or man…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:18 AM
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Thats just one interpretation. My interpretation is that a woman who says that is sexist and chronically online. Which seems to be supported by the fact that older women are less likely to pick the bear even though they grew up in a time where there was more crime and less attention for sexual violence towards women. If women saying this was just a response to men harming them, you'd expect to see the opposite pattern of older women being more likely to say "bear"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:40 AM
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Boring is a term used by those who themselves are boring... oh wait...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:09 AM
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I don't see how someone could know someone did this. I still don't see what you'd gain in those situations from shaming someone for having feelings for you. Just be polite but clear towards them, and take it as a compliment. This shit really isn't hard
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:20 PM
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If a female friend accuses you of betrayal and tries to make you ashamed of yourself rather than processing it like a mature adult just because you happened to develop feelings for (something you can't control) then she's a shitty friend. Normal people are surprised, and then maybe disappointed for a few days, and then they get over it. This shouldn't be such a complicated debate topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:01 PM
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Nah, you can be victim and still be a person outside of it who can learn and take accountability. You don't help an abuse victim by reducing their identity to a victim and keeping them stuck there. This only prolongs their suffering. I say this as a man who faced abuse far worse than what OP describes here before.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:55 PM
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Yeah no, human intuition is a real and studied thing. It's just not infallible and it depends on the context whether it works or not. That context is the thing that is debatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:45 AM
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What I don't get is, it seems obvious to me that we live in a world where women are discriminated against. Based on what I've heard from women both online and in my personal life, the majority of women have faced harassment and/or violence at the hands of men. The majority of sex crimes and violent crimes are committed by us and the majority of victims are women. Women can't walk down the street safely at night because of men. Most people in positions of power are male. Most people here don't de…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/25 09:29 AM
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Maybe that is a blessing though since you seemed pretty upset at the time that you wrote this. Definitely. I'm not that upset anymore though. I am also working on the assumption the book you're talking about is The Will to Change since that is where most of Bell Hook's Pro-men stances come from. A book I quite liked :( It was "feminism is for everybody". As far as I can tell in my research Hooks doesn't claim her books are scientific. My problem with that is that some claims Hooks makes become b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/25 09:52 PM
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Of all the concepts feminists have come up with, emotional labour is really the one I find the most perplexing. Because the idea that women do more of that is genuinely alienating if I think about everything I have observed or experienced in my life. Of all the concepts this really is the one with the least truth or accuracy to it.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/07/25 06:19 AM
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There is a whole subsection of feminists who do push the concept of healthy masculinity defined on their terms. So they already don't agree with me. Then there is a whole subsection of feminists who theoretically agree with my conclusions but don't practice what it preaches and do push for what they themselves would call patriarchal gender roles/expectations just in a rebranded way. I get that making assumptions about what people think can easily end up in strawmans and/or dogwhistles but the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 10:26 AM
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I have read multiple Bell Hooks books and it's literally filled with pseudoscientific, overly confident and misandrist claims. I'm so confused that people don't understand that it's offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:51 AM
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That just leads to the conclusion that most people who call themselves feminists are lying and aren't actually feminists. Which I think becomes so confusing that it makes conversations impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:49 AM
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You definitely do have a point, especially since this post is hyperbolic. But at the same time, it feels like for y'all, you're just not allowed to make any aggregated conclusions about a group of people because they don't literally say those conclusions out loud. When that conclusion could easily just be the implication of their actions and beliefs on the aggregate without them explicitly saying as such. The weirdest thing about that is that you (not personal you) seem to understand this when i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:36 AM
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But the thing is there are too many cases of incels or men who do just outright hate women or have a personal vendetta against them causing extreme harm in a way that just dosent compare to men. This is mostly the result of social media outrage making you think like this. Don't get me wrong, incels and the manosphere is very toxic and you're right to be concerned about it. But it doesn't really cause a significant amount of women to be murdered. That doesn't mean they can't harm women, they can …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:43 PM
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See I disagree with this because I believe this is to some extent build into feminist theories/worldviews. So you can have a perfectly decent, kind feminist woman but she still does believe women are superior without consciously deciding to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 09:53 AM
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For one, there are no studies that link misandry as a direct link to more female homicide and SA besides a few one off cases that aren’t enough to create a concrete link, This proves the opposite of what you think it does. There is no strong empirical evidence that misogyny causes homicides either, as the personal characteristics of the perpetrator are usually a far superior predictor compared to something vague like "misogyny". Most men who kill women in the west are men with personality disord…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 09:46 AM
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Please point me to mainstream feminist sources that “rabidly advocate” that women are superior to men? They do say that implicitly without directly phrasing it like that. Feminists endlessly invent concepts/theories with no scientific basis to make it seem like women are superior to men. Just a list of examples: × Men created this system (with the implication the system is bad, and the scientific impossibility of identifying one single point in time when a whole society was created) which implie…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 09:30 AM
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I agree with this. But isn't the exact same thing true for a lot of Western women in the feminist movement?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 09:19 AM
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It never evolved from serfdom and it still shows today unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 10:33 AM
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Russian culture seems like the best example of wasted potential. They used to have the best scientists and works of art, all ruined by authoritarian bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 09:18 PM
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In some respects they are and in others they are not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 02:29 PM
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Yeah, that's a special type of unintended comedy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 02:26 PM
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I agree for the most part, with the caveat that the two conservative options are not just as awful, they are more awful, and have the potential to be way way more awful including eroding democratic institutions completely. But this awfulness is not directly related to gender issues, it's just awful as a general ideology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 02:24 PM
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I’m just not sure why a lot of men (on the internet, really) feel the need to bring up their own issues as a response to women talking about theirs. I think this has a very simple explanation. For decades women's issues have been centered by powerful institutions, even going as far as human issues being reframed as women's issues which meant the men suffering from those same issues where harmed in the process, while men's issues were neglected But when anyone tried to talk about that they were i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 10:45 AM
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I think this subreddit tunnelvisions on feminism too much and ignores how bad conservatives are for men. But simultaneously some of us are too charitable to feminism, seemingly in a desperate attempt to be deemed good faith. Like academic feminism is just pretty bad, from to pov of someone who cares about men, but also from the pov of someone who cares about the integrity of scientific disciplines.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 06:38 AM
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I struggle to understand this take because I work in academia too and have observed how feminism is taught there, as well as reading academic feminist papers and I fail to see how that isn't almost just as bad as what is posted online.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 05:39 AM
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This is a completely unscientific perspective, there is no evidence to believe this is true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/25 04:23 PM
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Conscription is framed as misogyny, to create these outcomes by design.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/25 04:20 PM
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The influence feminism has over academia is a serious problem and way more of a systemic issue than individual traumatic experiences. It causes men who experienced trauma to be forced into silence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/25 04:05 PM
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The worst part to me seems to be the idea that a world is automatically better run if there is way less violence/aggression when the world can easily be terribly run without much violence. China's doesn't have that much violence or crime but it's deeply authoritarian and its filled with oppression because of it. Additionally it doesn't even discuss possible positive effects of this "male surplus" they are talking about. I don't support unnecessary suffering but competition does breed innovation …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/25 01:24 PM
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This is how these conversations always go. Someone lays out why and how they disagree with patriarchy, and the response is always "you didn't understand it". But that's not what it is. They understand what you wrote but they are just unconvinced by it. You can have reading comprehension and still disagree with what you just read.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 01:31 PM
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What degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 04:57 AM
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If men are only “””allowing””” us rights, then none of the privileges that are inherent to women are privileges. If someone else is controlling our autonomy and agency, we cannot be privileged. Why? You can argue this for every single privilege because as an individual your autonomy and agency is always controlled by other people according to this reasoning. My right to make autonomous decisions only exists because other people in government allow it, that does not make it not be a privilege rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 09:36 AM
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These kinds of posts are among the most bizzare I see online. You're effectively blaming men for caring about women at all instead of ruthlessly exploiting them. So let me get this straight just because most Western men don't want to exploit women, they have no right to complain about their issues or the unfairness they face? I don't think you understand what this type of thinking implies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 07:53 AM
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Creating/supporting a domestic violence policy that excludes and stigmatises male victims, spreading misinformation about domestic violence and rape, teaching law enforcement to arrest men by default in domestic disputes even when they are the victims. Encouraging discrimination in the education system by selectively applying affirmative action and educational reform so that women are advantaged, with little concern for fairness, consistency, or the disadvantages men face in it. Fighting against…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 08:53 PM
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Yeah but the men who make posts like this have the exact same excuse for their behavior. I don't like the dramatic and hyperbolic ways this is always discussed here but I think that it's just factually accurate that western men's support for feminism has been abused, which has ultimately eroded this support. And the end result is worse for both men and women so here we are in a worse outcome for all but no one wants to take responsibility for it. Just shed blame to the other side to win ideologi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:26 PM
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It also means that the people (men but also women with integrity) that exist in those academic spaces feel really uncomfortable challenging it because it invites bullying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 10:19 PM
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This extends even further to other things as well, for example: 1) Parents who are abusive to their kids. If it's a mother doing it they will be excused far more often due to the circumstances they are in. I have some female friends who had very bad mothers, and they also say their trauma is often not taken seriously because a woman caused it. 2)Men usually had less choice over their reproduction, which would actually make it make sense that they'd struggle more with fatherhood because there wil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 08:59 PM
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I don't see how he lied. The circumstances are barely different from how he described it if I'm assuming they were what you said they were.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 09:09 AM
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I just don't understand how there are circumstances here that are relevant. That said, it's a fact that women get lesser sentences for the same crimes than men do. I'm not sure what the appropriate sentence would be, but the relative differences are the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:57 AM
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You don't set someone on fire because of a few negative comments lmao. What am I reading again on this app.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:53 AM
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Yeah my own university changed how they grade multiple choice exams because it caused women to have lower grades. Because originally you would receive higher grades if you left a question blank than if you answered wrongly, which causes way more women to leave questions open than men, making their grades decrease relatively. The problem with this is that this is a form of a soft skill, confidence, which in this case gets removed from the grade, but this is only done when removing it positively a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 07:37 AM
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Most people without being consciously aware that they are doing it. The key thing is that they don't perceive them as victims unless it's the most extreme and clear version of abuse. Once they perceive you as an actual victims they usually don't blame you, the problem is the bar to be perceived as such is far too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:09 PM
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What if we believe this is more common because of our life experiences?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:40 PM
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If her reason for exposing him is selfish, self-serving and bitter so what, it's still true. Not necessarily. People of all genders usually frame their exes as worse than they actually were. The exceptions to this rule are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:37 PM
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Women are mostly taught to avoid conflict and to create harmony, whether with men or with other women. While that can definitely argued to be a negative thing for them, it's not the same as "prioritising men's comfort".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 03:36 PM
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Breaking Reddit TOS
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 05:15 PM
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Assuming this is actually true (which is debatable) I just had the shower thought that maybe this is caused by unpaid domestic work not being properly valued in society. If you take the traditional division of labour, then men contribute more financially while women contribute more in domestic work. But with financial contribution you can accumulate wealth over time while you can't accumulate domestic work. You can't accumulate domestic resources for years ahead. This means that if an illness in…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:22 AM
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Listen, not hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 03:40 PM
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If you only care about equality when it favours you then you didn't actually care about equality in the first place either, it's equally true in reverse (if not more).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:59 AM
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Scandinavia seems like the better option then
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:47 AM
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That's actually really smart lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 02:50 PM
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The best option for dealing with those people is to walk away. It doesn't matter that you're right, they won't care anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/25 04:27 PM
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Being well-behaved isn't toxic. My point is that the definition of being well-behaved is not automatically ideal and that it can be toxic, demanding unearned obedience for example and in my experience the education system does exactly that. It's also kinda bizzare and wasteful to me that being well-behaved as a kid plays a definitive role in the judgement of your potential intellectual abilities as an adult. Most schools draw the line at behavior that harms or distracts other children from being…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:18 PM
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Assuming that what you said is true, how is it very relevant? I don't think an education system that sets back children that happen to be boys who will become equally smart adults is productive nor fair. My experience is also that "emotional maturity" is very often used as an euphemism for demanding toxic levels of obedience. Something that is also expected from little girls which I think harms their mental health in the long run. I also don't think it means ingaging in intellectual fraud is in …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:32 PM
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Because if you do this as a guy your reputation is immediately ruined while a woman can do this and basically be infantilized. But that doesn't really help that woman nor the people around her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:11 AM
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I don't understand this response. None of what you said (and the claim that women are better students is very controversial considering women aren't smarter, which suggests there is unfairness in how schools work) changes the fact that creating an equality index that measures it in just one direction is just a form of intellectual fraud that is meant to manipulate people. I don't see any possible justification for this, even in the most patriarchal of countries because if that country was actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:03 AM
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I imagine my gf in the actresses place when I watch porn as well though. This isn't exclusive to smut.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:30 AM
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Yeah but smut often creates impossible standards regarding behaviour in the same way that porn creates impossible standards for someone's body. The issue is that men are largely raised to neglect their own emotional needs, especially in a romantic relationships, so they are less likely to actually do something about this even when it harms them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:22 AM
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It’s not surprising at all to hear men speak of women as a shared commodity. As opposed to... checks notes... speaking of men as a monolith consisting of purely dark triad traits? Your comment is pretty ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:08 PM
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The problem with this theory is that it makes zero sense to alienate your allies when this what you want. Europe would be far more open to doing this if he didn't spend months badmouthing us and pandering to Russia.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 06:27 PM
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This issue is bigger than just regarding the topic of Homophobia. I have seen people describe the draft/conscription as caused by misogyny. There is no scientific reasoning behind this and it just serves to appropriate the suffering of men so we can focus on women instead. Both men and women deserve to have their suffering acknowledged and eased.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 06:01 PM
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This post truth world is seriously dystopian
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 01:16 PM
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This isn't just misandrist, it's delusional because gender norms work in exactly the opposite direction. In pretty much every part of the world people assign more agency to men meaning they also get blamed more.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/04/25 12:50 PM
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People usually have ideological blinders towards anything that is done in alignment with their own ideology. For example, if you talk to bluepillers/women on this subreddit, they simply don't see the issue whenever there is ideological meddling in the scientific process as long as its done with their ideology. It's not even perceived as this. Instead, this ideology is considered factually correct. For example I have talked here before about how problematic it is that the APA is incorporating fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 09:11 AM
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I'm a leftist myself. But yeah, this aspect of the left is problematic, and Reddit is filled with it especially. One thing I absolutely hate about the left is their overconfidence, inability to understand anyone who is not leftwing, and the endless moralising. It means you can no longer have a debate where you might very well agree on ethical principles but just disagree regarding the current state of the world and/or the methods you consider best for improvement. Instead it's assumed (such as w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 08:49 AM
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The fact that these theories are dominant in academia is kinda problematic imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 08:34 AM
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You can read those books and still be sceptical towards modern feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 07:00 PM
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Yeah sorry I confused the two. Thanks for correcting me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 04:17 PM
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More and more I start to think "brave new world" by Orwell was a prediction and that we live in a post-truth timeperiod. https://www.euractiv.com/section/health-consumers/news/ukrainian-womens-football-is-prospering-despite-war-inequality/ Like this for example. How is this real? Ukraine being congratulated for gender equality progress... while men are drafted to the front lines. This is on the level of maga claiming Trump will fix inflation. Why are people constantly deluding themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 03:33 PM
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I never identified myself as a feminist, I was just explaining talking points I’ve heard them use. Then it's just bizzare that you brought it up at all. I’ve heard all of these be criticized by feminists since feminism is such a widespread group that even feminists don’t agree with other feminists. This barely happens at all. And when it happens it pretty much has no consequences. When it's about race or trans issues, feminists can make a stance against other feminists but when it's about harmin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 02:51 PM
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And I'm asking why I have to go through the labour of educating a feminist on the actions taken by their own movement while they themselves are claiming something about the movement that simply does not align with reality. I don't understand why people claim that feminism helps male victims of abuse when there is a long list of evidence that the opposite is true. I guess you conveniently haven't heard about the Duluth Model, about how the concept of coercive control was created, about the violen…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 02:30 PM
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What do you mean how so? Aren't you literally making the claim it helps men with it? It's so tiring how many people on Reddit will defend feminism without even understanding the movement they are defending and the things that have been done under the banner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 02:07 PM
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— advocacy of male mental health — advocacy of reducing and calling out IPV against men (hetero and homosexual) ... what. Feminists have materially done the opposite of helping men with these things. They advocate against gender neutral approaches towards IPV and lobby for models that assume men are abusers and women are victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 01:16 PM
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Is this a serious comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 03:07 PM
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I still see yours
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 11:25 AM
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That's not how I was looking at it. I meant that the idea is to improve for yourself, not for others. I'm mainly struggling with your comment because we know that the population at large holds agency bias where it thinks men have more agency and women have less agency. This naturally means that men will be held more responsible, including by themselves. I think admitting that you're wrong is important for self-improvement and by this logic men would do that more often. If you go to a book store …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:08 AM
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I just remembered: Women are even blamed for men’s behavior. I was a young child during the Clinton scandal and what I remember most vividly was adult men and women saying in front of me, a little girl, that it was Hillary’s fault. She clearly wasn’t a good enough wife. When men hurt women, it’s women’s fault. That’s a pretty standard thing still. I remember people blaming Anthony Bourdain’s girlfriend for him committing suicide. Obviously it was Yoko who broke up the Beatles. I remember “I’m st…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:46 PM
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I think the argument here would be that self-improvement for women is often more self-centered and focusing on validating their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:44 PM
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A weird belief in the idea that men are objectively more privileged even though this is impossible to prove because there is no objective scale to compare the relative importance of different advanrages and disadvantages each gender has. Also, conformism and putting social desirability over truth or principles such as the scientific method.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:35 PM
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It's not that there are zero articles about it. it's just way too little compared to other articles. There not really being a good solution can contribute to it but it's really not just this. It's also that most people are sexist and consider men more disposable, and that most journalists are too much of a coward to even frame something as a men's issue unless it's in a "woke" approved way. Here in Western Europe we used to have a journalistic tradition centered on being extremely critical but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 04:05 PM
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Both as far as I'm concerned. But what especially irks me is how silent government funded media are on it in my country, while they otherwise jump at the first opportunity to talk about social justice talking points, usually completely uncritically too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:56 PM
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This article in isolation is fine. It's part of a bigger whole that isn't fine, though. Which is that our Western media has erased Ukrainian men and their suffering completely from the discourse, its not even considered a human right violation publically. Instead we have nice and convenient articles about female refugees so we are distracted from the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:36 PM
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The United Nations does say that, it really is such an awful organisation and then people are surprised people start hating "globalists".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 09:01 AM
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A gay man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 09:00 AM
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When you're a man who was abused by a woman, there is always this suspicion in the back of most people's minds that you're lying and were the actual abuser. It's why I pretty much never talk about it to anyone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 08:28 PM
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Let's be real here, being funded by taxes is not the same as contributing negative value to society. Government workers are paid by taxes and some of them create important value, else they wouldn't exist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 06:34 PM
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I’m willing to admit it happens for sure, but I don’t think it’s the norm like OP claims. I do think that either way, mens mental health needs to be more researched and given more attention. I'm not sure about the "being the norm thing", I think it could very much be the norm, but in my view it simply is not as severe as OP is making it seem. It's not that it is not the norm, but that it is far less black & white than he is painting. When a therapist is faced with a grey situation, somewhere whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 05:18 PM
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Yeah but the issue is it's not like he has an alternative because men's issues are underresearched. I'm inclined to believe that there is a decent chance the therapist will be biased against men, more so than the reverse. But I simply don't have a study to even read because they don't exist. That said OP's post is extremely incoherent and sounds overly hyperbolic and emotional. This something that really gets on my nerves on this subreddit, with men posting claims with kernels of truth to them b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 04:44 PM
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The male perspective is on average less affected by concerns about social desirability and conformity. Many people (and probably many women) would probably consider this to be a negative (it definitely can result in negative outcomes, especially when someone is being an edgy ass for no reason, not denying that) but I consider this to be a positive for myself. I work as a scientist and I feel like this helps me to stick to the scientific method and to stick to finding reliable knowledge instead o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 03:10 PM
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For the sake of playing devils advocate, it's not like OP can use sources because even if it was true it would not get studied. There is a severe lack of studies into things like this. Whether couples therapists pick the side of women is debatable, however I knew a man who works as therapist that was told by his female supervisor to pick the side of women because its better for business. Obviously just anecdotal but it could potentially be a thing I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 02:56 PM
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All you are saying is that you believe all the right wing propaganda. I'm not a rightwinger, have never voted rightwing and I don't watch rightwing content online. This is part of the problem, it is not just rightwing propaganda, part of it is very much real and the fact that this is constantly denied by the left creates only more fuel for rightwing propaganda. The best propaganda always contains a kernel of truth, if the counterresponse to this propaganda is to deny that this kernel is real the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 05:09 PM
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I don't understand why you wrote all of this. I don't think women are my enemy, but I also think feminism contributed to this outcome. An outcome I don't support and find disgusting. For one, it is divisive and has pushed peoples attention away from from class related issues by pitting men against women instead of everyone against the 1%. And not just this, whether consciously or unconsciously, it has undermined trust and the legitimacy in democratic institutions, academic institutions and egali…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 12:46 PM
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Who said anything about it being women's fault? It's almost everyone's fault, and idk why you're talking about fucking men when I gave clear examples that have nothing to do with that. It's crazy how much people want to avoid responsibility instead of thinking about how terrible outcomes could be avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 05:29 AM
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No one is entitled to people accepting their opinion uncritically, regardless of their gender. I'm gonna care about the stats, the arguments, the reporting biased etc because you can't solve something without understanding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 02:16 PM
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As if people didn't constantly attack the rights of men, both feminists and conservatives doing it all the time. Or they just keep a lack of rights in place. The difference is almost no one cares, so no one even notices this is happening in the first place. We have had decades of women being treated well in the west while men's issues were either neglected or made worse. Egalitarianism has never been legally enforced with men getting longer sentences for the same crimes, having almost no reprodu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 02:10 PM
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It's like the mirrored version of redpillers lmao. Just dismiss abuse victims to win some kind of emotional fight, absolutely disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:22 AM
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A movement to protect the interests of women can't be about equality just like a movement to protect the interests of men can't be about equality because interests often don't align with equality. If equality is the goal, then it needs to be inclusive towards both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:44 AM
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I think it's hilarious that the "amItheangel" subreddit exists. The original AITA subreddit is already extremely sexist in favour of women but apparently that wasn't enough and another one that is even worse had to be made lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:53 PM
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That's a very low quality argument. Everything he said was already going on even before Trumps first election, let alone his second one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/25 06:46 PM
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That's unrealistic. Going against the status quo for the benefit of others should always get gratitude, because doing so always comes at personal risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:16 PM
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It isn't in its definition but generally it's pretty easy to guess what the stereotypical blue piller believes, just like the stereotypical red piller. A general heuristic I use for myself is that if I can accurately guess how someone will respond to certain takes or questions it usually means their beliefs are not very accurate and exist mainly to serve their emotions. When I'm talking to someone who surprises me and is not that easy to read, it usually means they are worth talking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:06 PM
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It is gracious when it's average men supporting women's rights, because they aren't the ones who created the system that harmed women in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 05:58 PM
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Okay but "freedom of speech" is not just a legal issue but also a moral principle. The idea of valuing free speech is that you listen to people who disagree with you, that you respect them as human beings and that you're able to have civil conversations with them. Obviously this has limits, when someone's opinion is either completely wrong or severely immoral, it's not possible not to make your dislike for them known. That however does not mean that limits can't be too narrow to the point one be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 05:46 PM
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Okay but how can this be considered male friendly? This is honestly concerning. It suggests they can't even imagine how their ideological opponents think.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/25 07:25 PM
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I like that you're discovering how inconsistent people are about this topic lol. This drives me crazy more than the reality itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:20 PM
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I never understand this either. How are people interpreting her books to be so positive about her? I don't get it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/25 05:03 PM
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I mean, I definitely think there are plenty of men who think women are not as smart as them, but the complaint about DEI hires being deemed incompetent seems bizzare to me. Like how is this not just the natural/logical outcome of how DEI has been done for decades? DEI hires have been a thing for better or worse, its not that surprising that the end result of it is that DEI hires competence gets doubted. This seems like wanting to have your cake and eat it too. DEI as a concept has been terribly …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 11:30 AM
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The irony of accusing a whole gender of using women instead of going to therapy and then writing down this rant on Reddit. If she's in therapy it sure isn't working.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/04/25 04:20 PM
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From the psychology courses I took I thought that it was actually women who have stronger social desirability bias generally speaking
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/25 03:00 PM
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What professional community and what do they accept as Canon? The professional space embraces feminism and male specific concerns as both important. Depends on what professional space you're talking about but if it's academic they shouldn't embrace any ideology, whether it's feminism or something else because it should be based on the scientific method. That's unfortunately not what I observed there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 06:21 AM
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I'm talking about real life things but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 05:49 AM
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I don't really see anyone holding feminists accountable though. All I see is cringe MAGA conservative takes which is basically like "feminism dumb whuuahahaha" which is not a constructive criticism or on the other side progressives who don't have any balls to say anything. Like it's really annoying how all the analysis is always about boys and men but not one talks about how radicalized young women have become.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:05 PM
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I think the importance of offline issues is really underestimated especially when it comes to this topic. I don't think I'm really toxic, but what really radicalized me is not whatever happens online but the shit I observed at university.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:02 PM
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Academic feminism is also pretty bad though, it's just that it is such a minefield to navigate that people don't have the energy or time to even do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:48 PM
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That being said — that was a really interesting read and very eye opening. It also has some references at the bottom if you're interested in reading more factual sources. I think I was trying to argue that I don’t feel like men are “shunned” from it so to speak, but that may be untrue. Depends on your definition of shunned, but regardless of what definition you use, I don't think it makes sense to say men just "choose" to not enter psychology. I think systemic factors usually explain aggregated …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:02 PM
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I do agree that men are more likely to build professional support networks. That doesn't mean it's not a privilege is what I'm saying. The reasoning is very weak because it suggests it's impossible for there to be any privileges in the first place. I have this opinion piece that I think does a good job describing what it is like to be a man in a female dominated field: https://criticaltherapyantidote.org/2022/10/21/on-being-a-male-in-female-spaces-a-personal-investigation-into-misandry-in-modern…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:09 PM
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Doing a horrible job here at representing men's issues. There are so many issues that are magnitudes more important than the existence of onlyfans bruh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:44 AM
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I'll agree that there are some fringe people in every movement that howl loudly on the Internet, but they do not represent the real majority. They do represent the ones with power though, and they usually get away with manipulating the real majority to believe in falsehoods that lead to suffering. For example the "99% of rapists are male" which is a false belief that gets spread everywhere based on a rigged definition of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:12 AM
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I don't think they are objectively correct at all and I encourage you to not be overly nice to both sides of this debate and instead keep a critical mindset. The reasoning they used about support networks can be equally applied to the glass ceiling or the wage gap. You can just argue that men build "professional support networks" to help other men, while women don't do the same thing so it's not really a privilege after all. This reasoning is very weak when you think it through properly. In real…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:05 AM
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I have to admit I confused your post with some of your comments yesterday. Rereading your post I think it is mostly fine and it was only your comments I had some issues with. I apologise for this. I will be charitable and assume you made a post in good faith but then got triggered by bad faith responses. This has happened to me many times before as well. genuinely want to know why I've never heard anyone but radical feminists talk about it and I wanted to start the discussion Radical feminists t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 05:43 AM
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The reality where only women can take chemical birth control is indeed unfair. In both directions. But that doesn't mean the blame belongs to regulatory bodies or that the powers that be are being unfair. The pill was developed before our current ethical structure regarding medicine was established and if it were to be developed today it would probably not be approved. However because it was already in common use it is not possible to remove it from the market because so many women now depend on…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 05:19 AM
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My question is why aren’t we looking at the side effects of birth control for men and if they’re still less prevalent than the same effects resulting from pregnancy. Because of bodily autonomy ironically. Just like a man has no say about a woman choosing to do an abortion or not, a woman has no say about whether a man should take a medicine to save her from pregnancy. The ethical commission can't compare the side effects for men with pregnancy because men's body can't be held responsible for sav…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:20 PM
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The men who enroll into a clinical trial are not the ones who decide whether the drug makes it to the market or not. Them subjectively not being able to stand it or not literally does not influence the decision of whether to approve it, what does is the objective symptoms they experience. The FDA in the US and the EMA in Europe determine whether it makes ethical sense to approve a medicine or not. Men as a collective have no say over this whatsoever, there is absolutely no way in which their per…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:46 PM
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The only reason male birth control hasn’t happened is because men couldn’t stand the “side effects”. You know nausea, mood swings, acne, the same side effects we’ve been dealing with for decades. This is literally not how drugs get approved or prohibited.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:35 PM
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That's also not what I said or think lmao. I'm saying that the complexity of one's hormonal cycle is not the sole determinant on how easy it is to make a birth control medication, there are even ways thinkable that it might work the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:19 PM
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If you did, you’d know what a moronic question that is. That’s like asking if I think gasoline is the sole thing that matters for a car to drive. That moronic question is build on the reasoning you are using. Maybe reflect a bit more on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:12 PM
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I made a post offering an option to level the playing field by giving men autonomy over their reproductive system and you somehow concluded I was blaming men. What am I blaming men for by saying they should have better options? You're focusing too much energy on dismissing men's reproductive concerns. I genuinely don't understand this kneejerk response so many people have towards men's fears regarding their lack of power over reproduction. Somehow the implication seems to be that if a man gets b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:10 PM
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Their mood swings were way more severe to the point of spiraling into depression. But sure euphemistically label it "mood swings"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:33 PM
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Do you actually believe the complexity of the hormonal cycle is the sole thing that matters for birth control medication?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:32 PM
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Unironically, yes, I did. But that's not what I'm calling false. What I'm calling false is that it implies that making male birth control is easier. It clearly is not, or it would already exist. Or do you actually think there are so little men globally wanting to take it for there to be a lucrative market for it? If that's your belief, then I just conclude you have misandrist beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:28 PM
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A few years ago I delved into this because someone made the same claim that you just made and I ended up on the conclusion that it isn't the same whatsoever. Exactly because men don't have a complicated hormonal cycle these medicines end up causing longlasting depression and from what I remember some interact with alcohol in a deadly way which is an obvious problem considering depression in men and alcoholism is clearly linked.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:26 PM
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It's not a beating stick dude, nobody is victimizing you. Sure that's why you used the same old antagonistic "they wanna be victims so bad" kind of bad faith deflection from what someone is saying 🤔 I made this post to open up a discussion about another promising solution to these issues men bring up here every single day. The post and the comment chains are clearly defensive and borderline hostile rather than an honest discussion. Pushing for better male contraceptive options is an infinitely b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:23 PM
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Idk what to say to this, I think this is just false
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:19 PM
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Okay but biology, technology and the capital market doesn't care about what should be standard. Especially not when big pharma exists. This whole post seems equivalent to blaming women for the fact that the neurological disorders they are more likely to suffer from don't have good cures, as if their lack of advocating caused it. Meanwhile the reality is that neurological disorders are harder to cure and that big pharma doesn't want to take that risk to develop these cures. The exact same thing i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:08 PM
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There are other male birth control options beside condoms and vasectomies out there that haven't been approved because of the side effects such as acne, mood swings, and weight gain which are the exact same side effects as female hormonal contraceptives. From my understanding this is not correct. The side effects were significantly more severe. Also though, because of how bioethics currently works the bar that needs to be crossed for a male birth control pill is higher because men don't experien…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:59 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 06:52 PM
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Your opinion is wrong, sweet wine is the best wine. Try some Malaga Virgen
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 08:30 AM
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Internal processing of your emotions is a superpower people constantly underestimate
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:21 AM
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Most people develop a theory of mind during childhood. Lacking a theory of mind is generally not possible unless you have a severe personality disorder, making your claim false. Instead you should say they lack empathy/understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:18 AM
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Big example: Majority of dysfunctional people coming from single mother household is taken at face value. I agree, it is taken at face value way too much. But bring up that 90% of rapists are men, then we see cries of sexism and not looking at other factors. Men aren't 80% of rapists if you use a gender neutral definition of rape. It seems obvious that you will receive backlash if you don't even use accurate statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:44 PM
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It has become popular to frame men's intentions as more one-dimensional and malicious than they are Any statement that says "the only reason they/you do x" is already false. People don't do things for just one single simplistic reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:26 AM
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How can someone even reach this conclusion lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:10 AM
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Gotta find something to distract from economical problems
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:03 AM
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I think the conclusion is uncertain and overly simplified. You don't know whether men struggle more with declining health in their partner as it can be mediated by women struggling more with their own declining health which then leads to a response in the male partner. I can also be related to women having more people they can share the caretaking load with. When you take a very cynical view you could argue that women have a financial incentive to stay together until their partner dies while men…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 08:09 AM
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This is what makes me so angry, this has been a bigger problem for decades and has actually bled into real life consequences, but absolutely nothing was done about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 07:40 PM
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You can't know that based on statistics though. Its very difficult to prove that both rape and false allegations happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:54 PM
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Those are valid points, but I don’t think that’s an empathy issue. That’s just different opinions in how to best legislate to solve problems. I strongly disagree with this. Their view on legislation is only possible when you have a complete lack of empathy for men who are abused. Just total indifference and often it is even worse, literal hostility towards them for no rational reason. People's actions are dependent on their level of empathy and sympathy. But also I didn’t see much of any feminis…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:47 PM
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To be clear I'm not saying they have no empathy at all. Just less than is up to my standards and what I think I extent to people, including women. For example, advocating for the Duluth Model on domestic violence, portraying domestic violence as a gendered issue of men beating women, lobbying for changes to the law so that equality under the law based on gender is violated, and continuing to support female abusers such as Amber Heard is in my opinion not empathic at all to men who suffer from ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:38 PM
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Okay, I agree with that. I think he's using a pretty bad angle of criticism. That said, he's talking about feminists and imo they don't really extend empathy to men either. They don't reciprocate empathy for men who support women's rights at all. I think feminists employ the same zero sum transactional tribalistic attitude as OP. He should have focused on this instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:30 PM
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You literally quoted "helping women". How is helping not an action?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:22 PM
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Wow you're so edgy /s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:56 PM
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It is crazy making to see people claim "misandry is not systemic". Do these people know the definition of "systemic"? Do they not have dictionaries?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:40 PM
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It's crazy how much misandry there is on this app
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:36 PM
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Feminism is not indifferent to men, it is antagonistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:31 PM
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I don't think feminists usually reciprocate this empathy though, do you think they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:28 PM
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It did some good things historically, but the belief system is inaccurate, sexist and ironically leans into fascism. If there were significant criticisms from within it could be salvaged but unfortunately this pretty much never happens. Not very relevant to my dating life, except that I'm not going to date someone who's constantly shouting how trash my gender is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 10:30 AM
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Most women are decent people who make good friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:52 AM
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I have never understood this reasoning. Responsibility for what? For not corrupting the system and for lobbying for artificial advantages granted to them based on their gender? This person is blaming men for not being sexist enough and doesn't even has the slightest self-awareness about it.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/03/25 06:16 AM
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I completely agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:09 PM
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What do you mean by "frame"? It is homophobic, the question is whether that is morally bad when it comes to dating related decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:03 PM
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I felt like it had too much propaganda in it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/25 06:49 PM
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I wash my hands every time except when I'm in private with my gf. She touches my 🍆 all the time anyway so it doesn't really make a difference lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 08:41 PM
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I think they get bullied mostly by other girls while boys don't care that much whether a girl is autistic or not. Women are more rigid about social rules, which makes them more ableist but you will never see a paper even make that claim while there are thousands of papers making such claims about men. Sorry for giving you so much slack, it's not your fault but academia really has a gender bias problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 08:03 PM
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I said we don't know the cause of the masking, not that it doesn't happen more in girls. It does. How do you know this? Is it because it's easier? Are women just more agreeable by nature? Are they conditioned? Who knows. What do you mean by easier? Isn't being agreeable or not a core aspect of the self? How can you mask your self if the masking is part of your self? When surveying for masking, the emphasis isn't on how good you are at it, but how much you do it. Do you do this in that situation …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:58 PM
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The control group is there to confirm the experience of masking for neuroatypical people. In gender based studies male or femalr control groups are used. Yes, but they don't address that women might be treated with more empathy. Being good at masking can be an advantage, but I want to stress that it can be very harmful as well. Burnout, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, suicide, being so agreeable that you get into dangerous situations and sexually victimised, end up in an abusive relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:47 PM
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Maybe some parts of your comment are missing? Sorry, that’s not what I meant but I didn’t clarify. I meant autistic men have different struggles than autistic women, but both are difficult. I agree that both are difficult but whether they are equally difficult is debatable. Probably a really unproductive debate though lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:41 PM
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Women and girls are generally considered better at masking because they more often than men go under the radar for super long. That could easily be because people tolerate their weirdness more. may get mkre empathy, but there are many studies that show how little girls behaviour, especially social behaviour us scrutinised and rewarded/punished more than that of boys, because there is a social expectation for girls to be more sociable, more agreeable and more pro social. To some extent I agree wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:34 PM
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Emotional injuries are similar. Something small, you can tough it out. This is when being stoic is a useful strategy. Sometimes you watch your buddies get killed while on deployment. Stoicism is a poor coping strategy then because bottling it up just makes you a fucked up person with PTSD when you are back stateside. That's when you need different tools for processing your trauma and grief. I don't agree with this analogy. Emotional injuries are not similar in the sense that you can heal them yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:28 PM
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A very stereotypical example: The little girl would prefer to organise all the belongings of the doll, taking things like colour, shape and texture into account. She has observed that the other girls pretend to feed the doll however, to change it's nappy and soothe its cries. In order to be accepted by the other girls, and receive positive feedback from adults, she imitates their play, neglecting her own interests. I was born as a gifted child and apparently when I was in kindergarten I intentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:18 PM
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Sure, I think it’s pretty well acknowledged that women (autistic or not) have an easier time in the approach/introduction stages of dating. I wasn't just talking about dating. I'm not autistic but I constantly have to micromanage the fact that others perceive me as a threat just because I'm male. Women don't need to do that. People are more empathic to women regardless of context. All the other phases of dating and relationships are fucking hard for women with autism, whether it’s with sucking a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:06 PM
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What does masking actually mean though? I'm very confused what masking means scientifically, and how it relates to the concept of the self that is used. The concept of the self varies highly culturally and depending on the philosophical framework that is used. Is the concept of masking actually a falsifiable thing? In other words how does an outsider determine whether someone is masking their real self or is just really like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:52 PM
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If I, as a woman, kept talking to someone who didn’t want to talk to me, making uncomfortable eye contact, getting closer than they’re comfortable with, and generally just missing all the social cues telling me that I’m bothering them, people wouldn’t like that. That’s not cute. What if more people want to talk to you, more people are comfortable with your eye contact, are less bothered about you getting closer and more forgiving about social cues just because you're a woman? I think there are q…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:46 PM
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Why would this be true though? It's pretty clear that men are perceived as more dangerous in general so it seems obvious that autistic men would also be more likely to be perceived that way than autistic women. Idk why people don't want to admit it. And that type of stuff is what a lot of girls learn to correct pretty early in life, so we’re a lot less likely to do it. It’s not that we’re doing the same things and being perceived differently, it’s that we’re not actually doing that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:40 PM
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Question: Why do you think "patriarchy is not real" is automatically reactionary? Is it not possible to conceptualise reality in a different way and still have it useful? Maybe even more useful? I take issue with attaching the word real with patriarchy in the first place because in my experience, it's usually just a subjective framing of reality based on the emotions of the person that believes it. "Real" or "objective" reality often doesn't even enter the equation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/25 04:44 PM
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Absolutely not, it's something that both men and women need. But girls are socialised and conditioned to BE more emotionally resilient, whereas aspects of boys socialisations about manliness actively hinders them developing the same competencies (e.g. being stoic when you have a problem rather than seeking help or talking about it with someone else). Based on what objective evidence is being stoic less emotionally resilient? Can't you argue the exact opposite just as much?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 02:55 PM
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I can’t do anything about that double standard besides not perpetuate it myself, which I haven’t. I can’t speak for others or society if I’m not apart of the problem that you’re talking about. I agree, the problem is men are (imo) rightfully skeptical towards people who say things like that. They can't know whether you perpetuate it or not. If you have a problem with my verbiage, that’s okay but I explained what I meant. I can’t handle someone who defaults to crying often. If someone describes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 02:31 PM
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The problem is that if a man would dare to say something like that "my female partner should only cry when it is appropriate" he'd be labelled an asshole by almost everyone regardless of context. People wouldn't even ask or care about context and I know this from having dated an abusive woman with BPD. There is also a problem with the world appropriate. In practice it means "appropriate to me" and it gives one the ability to deem anything they want inappropriate. Add to this the fact that most p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 12:01 PM
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Lmao, I don't think kapsalon is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 06:36 PM
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I think they can be really good, but they can also be really bad tho
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 06:21 PM
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Yesterday I ate a burger in an airport hotel in Frankfurt at 10pm and it was the best one I had in years lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 05:43 PM
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Maybe an equally controversial take: There is a difference between dropping your partner in cold blood, and having a mature conversation about needs in the relationship. I think it's far more respectable to maybe transition to a platonic relationship or to open the relationship. But suddenly not caring at all anymore feels cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 05:22 PM
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No one is kind just for the sake of being kind and neither should anyone be. It's completely valid to expect reciprocity, relationships in social animals are based on this principle and humans are no exception to this. Also kindness is not the same as sticking to moral principles. I can think someone doesn't deserve my kindness and still think they deserve the same rights as those that deserve. People seem to constantly confuse the two.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/25 10:35 AM
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He looks far older than his age but I don't think he looks ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 11:00 AM
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https://youtu.be/OBDZQzCcTQo?si=_J0e9A5_TsIL4dwf This goes hard especially when you watched the original one before he was famous
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:38 AM
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I agree with this take. The problem is, it does not support the "men are to blame for feeling intimidated" narrative that some are pushing here. Women can both have valid reasons for not dating broke men while men simultaneously have valid reasons to feel worried about their female partner leaving them when they can no longer provide the main financial contribution. Life is not fair and both reactions can be acknowledged and understood
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 08:41 AM
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Don't you think it's kind of bizzare that a place geared towards creative expression has this much censorship. I thought art was about challenging taboos and expressing personal opinions, seems like it should be a perfectly valid opinion to hold that misandry is real regardless of whether the mods agree or not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/25 09:08 AM
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Also less severe offenses are often more frequent, meaning the overall burden on society could be larger.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:31 PM
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https://youtu.be/KkD7a82mTvY?si=uIdAEp0LcmSyVb9S BTW do you know this song?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:49 PM
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They blame woman for courts being biased against fathers, yet data shows only 7% of fathers actually apply for joint or full custody and of that 7%, 70% are awarded. That's because most lawyers advice men against doing that unless there is a good reason to deem the mother an unfit parent. Instead they reach an agreement instead of going to court, in which often times the man does not get 50% custody. There is a wide range of evidence that suggests the court system is biased against men in genera…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:11 PM
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I haven't felt this proud of being European in a long time lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 05:29 PM
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I wish we had more studies on the topic, so we would have more data on how we actually can help men. I do think that men tend to bottle things up more, and looking at addiction and suicide rates it doesn't seem that men are doing well. I think that as long we continue to frame everything through the lens of "masculinities" we won't be able to help much. But then again, this is essentially me saying whole domains in academia are useless, and they will never accept it because their income depends …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:08 PM
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The same number of men and women said that they rely on their partner for emotional support, but men scored lower in every other category. Considering that most people have more friends of their own gender, I don't think it's a stretch to say that men are more closed off towards their friends than women. I think I'm mainly struggling with the concept of "relying" on someone. I believe men just rely more on themselves, which is why they score lower in every other category. showing that men are mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 08:33 PM
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I'm a cultured and civilised man! Either homemade or in the restaurant
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 06:18 PM
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Not from a package
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 06:12 PM
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Ewww
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 06:07 PM
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Gonna call bullshit on the claim that a woman being a good person has a significant effect on how desired she is. Men are just as likely as women to be attracted to hot but immoral women, and many men tolerate abuse because they think its what they deserve. Many men and women are raised to think that abuse is normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 05:09 PM
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Pick-Me refers to women who commit self-harm actions for men, and judge other women for not doing the same. Basically, anyone who uses the "not like the other girls" kind of mindset. I know it refers to that. The issue is that you can stretch the meaning of "self-harm" however broad you want. Many feminists think that a woman not being a feminist constitutes self-harm. Actual pick-me's like justpearlythings are pathetic, but women who simply hold different opinions are often accused for pick-me'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:16 PM
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True tbh, that's valid criticism towards his "evidence"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 03:03 PM
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Anytime a post generates this many emotional rebuttals you know it hits at something that has truth to it. Not just when it's critisizing women btw, the same happens when someone makes a post critisizing men and you see mostly emotional rebuttals. Then it also usually has truth to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:50 AM
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Creative writing gone wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 10:55 AM
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https://theconversation.com/happy-wives-happy-social-lives-men-are-more-emotionally-disconnected-than-women-what-can-be-done-about-it-239194 This article does not convince me that these claims are "objectively true" rather than a subjective framing of the author. This kind of hits on a lot of things I'm very skeptical about in social science as someone who works as a scientist in the intersection between exact science and social science. Just to give some examples: 1)it begins by suggesting we s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:40 AM
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Does that mean you think men should be allowed to retire earlier and/or have a higher pension? Because men die younger partly because of biology, so they make a bigger sacrifice to society economically and deserve to be compensated for it if we follow your reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 08:49 AM
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This is impossible to fill in if you're not in the US. My income is low expressed in dollars but my purchasing power parity is way higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 08:43 AM
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This seems more like you convincing yourself this is true
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:30 AM
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PPD is not a neutral sample that can be extrapolated to the rest of society. OP is clearly talking about averages and not outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:02 AM
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Men also tend to rely on women more than on other men for emotional support, Is there actual proof that this is true? And I'm not just talking about self-reports. because of very negative connotation incels and manosphere in general created for themselves. They really didn't just create it for themselves. They would have been demonized no matter what they did. If public perception was solely/mainly determined by a groups actions/beliefs then feminists would have just as much of a negative connot…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:00 AM
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That's just because feminists see any woman who does not tow the party-line as a pick-me. If that's your definition of pick-me, then obviously you're gonna see them everywhere, but that does not mean all of those women are denigrating women and defending men. They might just have their own complex opinion on life that doesn't fit in a more simplistic feminist framework. Also, feminists are an example of the type of women who should be called out but only rarely are. A lot of feminists are sexist…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:52 AM
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I find this post really bizzare. It comes across as sexist from two directions at once. On the one hand, you're claiming that women are largely self-serving, implying they are ego driven and basically just using men. This does not align with reality, the average woman isn't this cruel being whatsoever. But then, on the other hand, you're also absolving the agency and responsibility from the women who are actually like this by blaming "conditioning". I'm not saying social conditioning doesn't mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 09:39 PM
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Empathy has a scientifically proven genetic component to it though, so I don't think this is necessary true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 09:09 PM
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Women are more empathic, but your title does not align with what you're claiming in your post. Women being more empathic is different than that meaning it's the explanation for them having more expansive support networks. You didn't really give any argument for why this would be a causal relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 09:06 PM
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Nice your handwriting is as bad as mine
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 08:19 PM
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Nah I can see that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 08:15 PM
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My handwriting is atrocious compared to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 07:43 PM
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For starters, thanks for actually putting effort into your post. I appreciate it. However there a some parts of your reasoning that are rather weak in my opinion. For example: -Informal estimates are hard to gauge. Since 2-10% of allegations to the police are false, the ratio of unreported rapes to informal allegations could be similar. Approximately 70% of rapes are not reported to the police. Meaning for every false allegation made to police there is likely 3 which are not made to police. I se…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:28 PM
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Why is the world ruled by idiots?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:09 PM
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I think they are practically treated as synonymous by feminists themselves most of the time. For example: 1) Acting like this system was set-up by men at one point in time and then blaming men for this system existing. A scientifically impossible perspective to hold and clearly the result of confusing the two things. 2)Literally naming everything negative after men and weirdly singling out men when it comes to blame for issues women face while gender is one of the worst predictors for supporting…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:54 PM
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I'd personally take a different perspective. I don't think the problem is about it being too late, or specific feminists being misandrist in the last few decades. The problem is that feminism as an ideology is inaccurate and misandrist and this emboldened people to be hateful. Focusing on the actions of misandrists misses the forest for the trees. The problem is inherent to the ideology and this is very similar to other movements such as white supremacy, black lives matter, Christianity, Islam, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/25 10:32 AM
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No they shouldn't. Their brain matures slower sure, but it has no effect on their IQ so making them start a year later would mean they will get bored and not be stimulated enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 06:56 AM
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People can't fully control their needs/wants either and will feel sad when they can't meet them. People are allowed to whine when they feel bad. I seem to be in some kind of minority position with this in society but its absolutely fine to whine because life is tough. Of course, if it's starting dominate someone's life then it's probably not healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:31 PM
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As if the anti-trans hatred is about them demanding privileges. Even if it was it is still just as pathetic, imagine being upset that an extremely small group is asking for privileges that they don't get anyway, to the point you make it the main political topic to base your vote on. The absolute rightwing brainrot
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:42 PM
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At work they have installed these curved monitors in the teams rooms. An absolute atrocity because as a result everyone's face during a teams call looks stretched out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 05:44 PM
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No, because it's obviously false that it is a myth. The female orgasm is real just like periods and pregnancy are real. Men who argue otherwise are just trying to be edgy or disrespectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 05:34 PM
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What's epp
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 05:14 PM
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Even the least desirable man or woman contributes to the power dynamics in the dating market, though. That's how supply and demand works. The cheapest, worst quality food companies still affect consumer purchasing decisions even though you have more expensive high quality food that most people prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 10:45 AM
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Men might be better at this, but we don't know exactly. Maybe not better, but more focused on it because they get less distracted by the affective empathy. Anyway, nice observation if you noticed it yourself, it's probably somewhat correct. I also read scientific studies. But I try to learn as much as possible from my observations, but that requires a lot of self-discipline. Observational knowledge is more vulnerable to emotional bias. But yeah, I think some level of solipsism is the default hum…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 09:28 PM
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Tbh I think women are already held to a pretty high standard when it comes to having empathy. They tend to be way more anxious and approval-seeking and people-pleasers, they tend to be less assertive, less able to set boundaries, more empathetic, more likely to advocate for others, etc. I'm gonna try to respond to the second part of your comment in the most sensitive and diplomatic way possible without being dishonest because I know it's an emotional topic, probably for both of us. Everything I …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 05:43 PM
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But "men have power" just feels wrong, men aren't a coherent mass of people deciding stuff together. Some men have power, some don't. A woman who is on the board of directors of a big company definitely has more power than a random homeless guy. And that's where feminists introduce intersectionality to account for those types of comparisons, but it's like... You still have the same error, just in multiple dimensions now lol. At the end of the day, power is wielded by individuals or collectives o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:37 AM
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None at all tbh. Someone who is dismissive doesn't give a shit and they also have no reason to be forced to care. But to give some examples. The expectation of men being more competent and being natural leaders in practice often means that you're expected to work harder, that you always have to take the initiative in doing things, and more importantly that people are extremely cruel when you fail at anything, even when your failure was completely outside of your own control. This extents to area…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 08:57 PM
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A statement like that is always false and unproductive. But it's honestly less false when the genders are reversed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 07:50 PM
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The real problem here is that it is the main/sole angle that is entertained academically/politically, and that benevolent sexism towards men is never talked about in a way that acknowledges that it also has negative effects. Then I haven't even started on how bad the sexism scales are at measuring sexism. To give an example, the official benevolent sexism towards men scale uses the question "men are more risk-taking than women". Which is a morally neutral and factual question. Men are more risk-…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 07:44 PM
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She's delusional. Not sure what more there is to say about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 01:54 PM
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All relationships are about providing mutual benefit to each other. Or at least in the perception of it of the people in those relationships, because people can also be stuck in relationships that are objectively bad for them. Everyone is constantly providing value to the people that associate with them, whether financial, emotional, physical, etc. By framing conversations around providing being superficial and contrasting it with a non-existent image of unconditional love, you end up perceiving…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 02:49 PM
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To me that is in and of itself grounds to refute its existence. An idea with no clear definition and malleable boundaries is no idea at all, it's just a propaganda tool. Really based take
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/25 05:42 PM
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Something like that can also happen without society being a patriarchy. Besides, do yall really don't see how much conspiracy talk this sounds like? There some abstract thing determining how everyone of us behaves apparantly but simultaneously it's so vague that you can't even see it. It's such an unconvincing model of society for anyone that tries to be neutral and scientific.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:35 AM
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Or institutions were created by men for men. The reason male victims aren’t treated seriously is that traditional gender roles see masculinity as incompatible with victimhood. This is contradictory. If those institutions are not capable of seeing men as victims then they were clearly not created for men unless your concept of "for men" is completely meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:33 PM
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No one systemically oppresses men nor is there a history of male oppression. I’m not saying misandry is good. I’m just saying they’re not the same. That's just blatantly false. The draft/conscription, circumcision, bias in the education system, open discrimination under the excuse of DEI, sexist domestic violence and rape laws, a justice system that consistently punishes male offenders more harshly, lack of dangerous workplace regulation, international agencies that straight up lie to obscure ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 06:02 PM
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In Western countries there has been more systemic misandry than systemic misogyny for decades, until Trump decided to massively swing the pendulum in the other direction I guess. Both are not as bad as racism though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:55 PM
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Have women ever gone on mass killing sprees due to misandry the way men have to misogyny? There is very little evidence that men go on mass killing sprees because of misogyny. Usually the explanation is far more psychological in nature. It's also and extremely small proportion of not just the total male population but even of the misogynistic population. Have men been denied rights and treated as lesser for hundreds of years globally because of misandry? In some aspects of life definitely yes an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 05:40 PM
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I don't believe "women aren't oppressed" I'm saying that the overly simplified theory of oppression these people use is not correct. Both men and women can be considered oppressed depending on how you define "oppression". But redefining terms so that one's privilege gets rebranded as actually being oppression is clearly not intellectually acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:14 PM
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Benevolent sexism as a concept doesn't really make sense in the first place. It is just general sexism that is advantageous for women and disadvantageous for men, but because those who have the power over the research departments doing the studies into sexism can't accept that their overly simplified theory about women being more oppressed is not correct, they invented the concept so they can rewrite female privileges as an act of female oppression. This is seriously Orwellian the more you think…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 12:51 PM
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I'd never vote for Trump if I could but I really think you're missing the fact that some men have been impacted by misandrist policies that Trump has removed before. For example affirmative action, or the lack of a due process at college campuses. I don't think the trade-off is worth it rationally, but it's not surprising that people vote emotionally based on things they themselves experienced. Also being in Europe there is something so annoying about constantly being expected to do the right th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:08 AM
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You taking "Men hurt men" and transforming it into a generalization is problematic to your logic. Who ever hurts men? Men and women. That's kind of why I said men and women hurt men. You said men originally hurt men, after which men hurt women and other men, and only then do women hurt men. Which is a completely unprovable belief. If this is not what you meant, then you failed at communicating. [ I wonder what cultural precepts that are harmful to certain genders are propagated by. Maybe it's al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 07:49 AM
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I think there is a fair criticism to make that this sub doesn't focus on conservatives nearly enough. However some of the things you said in this post kind of illustrate exactly why this kind of rethoric of "fixing men issues by focusing on yourself" is alienating. For example: Men hurt men and men sometimes take that hurt and push it on to women or other men. It's a cycle of suck that would be called cliche in a movie about domestic abuse Is essentially just you perpetuating a traditional gende…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/25 11:03 PM
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Hardangervidda national park
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 05:36 PM
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Not that far from where I visited before apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 05:34 PM
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Where is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 04:55 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 04:54 PM
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The rapist nd the justice system.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:30 PM
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Backpedaling and being defensive doesn’t change the dismissive, and empathy-free words you said. You literally, as your first guess, accused my mom of loving less and not being very attached to these people simply because she doesn’t weep for hours over a year later. Because we are on a debate-sub and you chose to use a highly personal example as an example to make a point. Being empathic to individuals is not the purpose of conversation on this subreddit, if I know you in real life I'd obviousl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:20 PM
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Bullshit. You felt perfectly comfortable speculating that my mom didn’t love my dad as much as some other person you don’t know loved his wife. Again that's not what I said. It was the combination of their partner and their friend and its a possibility that this is an explanation. Or do you disagree that this is possible? I was playing devil's advocate because this is a debate sub. It was your very first instinct to shit on my mom. At no point did I shit on your mom. I didn't say anything that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:56 PM
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I think this is a highly ineffective manner to ingage with it. The things he explained aren't on the same level as what I assume she was talking about. But they don't have to be, because there is a way longer list of things men do that are on the same level or even higher Being the stoic emotional rock for example
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 05:15 PM
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As a man who faced abuse in the past, thank you for speaking the truth and having integrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:48 PM
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Wooooooow, you’re really gonna open with “maybe your mom just didn’t love your dad”? What the fuck is wrong with you. That's not what I said. You need to keep in mind that there are many women on this sub who hate their own dad. I have no way of knowing your personal relationships. Just to recap, I responded describing a single, very close and very emotionally challenging and painful example from my own life, about my dad dying and a family friend dying… and you respond by calling my mom a shall…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:35 PM
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That's fair in my view.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:02 PM
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It's why if men open up, it will be told to others as trauma dumping. They don't want to come off as being someone who taught someone at a low point was unappealing. I think there are also women who are genuinely kind who were trauma dumped, but the problem with the concept of trauma dumping is that anyone can yell it at someone else without proof being required. It completely removes any accountability from a woman who is enforcing the male gender role, or who is sexist about emotional expressi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:00 PM
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So, in essence male independence is considered attractive by women. So you gotta be dependent on everyone but your SO. But I'm skeptical that this would even be liked in practice as well because that doesn't project an image of strength and independence either. There are many awesome women out there, but this whole argument about emotional labour, trauma dumping and using women as therapists is filled with holes and reads as little more than rationalisation for the male gender role.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:47 PM
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But that's the most hyperbolic example. We are talking about just having a less expansive support network, and not necessarily focusing on only those men who hit rock bottom either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:30 PM
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But like? Just the idea of being depended upon regardless of actual labour? Like you'd be happier doing more labour if only he depended on you less?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:10 PM
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But the real core of the problem is he doesn’t have a network of support, and instead trauma dumps on the few people he has (my mom, his daughter), and it’s too much for one person to manage. How do you know this is the core of the problem for sure? Isn't it perfectly possible that he simply had a deeper attachment to those who died than your mom had, or loved them more deeply? Or alternatively, that through a combination of biological and cultural reasons him being male just means it takes a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:07 PM
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So then is the argument that "feeling like someone depends on you" is more exhausting than doing the labour itself? I'm skeptical towards that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 12:26 PM
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I don't think all women are like this to the same degree, and we men should try to search for those that are better at this. I found a woman who is way better at handling actual vulnerability. However, what you wrote is very relatable to me and I'm inclined to agree with your assessment. What is frustrating to me is the inability to get this point across to the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 11:43 AM
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That's still so vague that no one knows what that actually means. What makes someone be those identies and what doesn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 11:33 AM
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but at least originally it's supposed to mean that your partner can't substitute professional help, and a lot of people do need professional help for their issues. Being in the supportive role for someone with mental health issues is draining on its own, it's terrible if they leave their issues untreated. I disagree with this. The people who truly require professional help are mentally ill and that's a minority of the population. Doesn't mean that others couldn't take advantage of therapy, but i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 11:30 AM
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How much actual impact does men having one person as their main outlet actually have, though? Like let's assume this is a systemic thing in society. In that case can we really assume that: 1) This actually means men require more emotional support from their romantic partner than women require from their romantic partner? I'm questioning this assumption, because my personal experience/observations contradict its validity. While I have definitely noticed that women tend to have more emotional outl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 11:22 AM
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This is phrased in quite a hostile, insensitive manner but I do think the gist of what you said is rather common. Male vulnerability is almost objectified by the female gaze to the point many men feel like it becomes a performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 11:07 AM
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I think if two people are sufficiently healthy and actually love each other, these things are naturally worked out. It's more interesting I think when people take a perspective of a sociologist trying to study relationships and labour and value inside them. But I'd argue there are many blindspots, and an "obscuration" of how difficult defining value and labour objectively actually is, even from professional sociologists. Being male I'm of course more sensitive to the blindspots towards men. One …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:53 PM
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That can definitely be a contributing factor but the reason I gave historically also was one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:34 PM
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Agree completely but the problematic part comes when people have to judge both their own and their partners contributions. Knowing when a tradeoff is egalitarian enough is the difficult part. Because people have different views on what requires the most effort and what has the most value. And a tendency to overestimate their own contributions and to underestimate the contributions of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 03:45 PM
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I agree it's sexism, but it's not the kind of sexism people usually picture in their heads when they talk about it. It's not because people cared less about women's health but rather because male disposabilility meant people saw less issue in using men as guinea pigs. The history of healthcare in general is an ugly one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 03:39 PM
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If you're only creating things for your own group you're tribalistic, xenophobic and in this case sexist. I'm tired of people like this bragging about their own selfishness
/r/EverydayMisandry03/02/25 11:40 AM
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Yeah why not
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:28 PM
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It's hilarious to see redpillers and pink pillers accuse each other of the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:28 PM
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Thanks. Yes it's a tree in our garden.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 08:04 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:46 PM
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I had skyr for breakfast Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:45 PM
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I think that them comparing themselves to the chaddest of Chad's keeps them stuck into a mindset that would make anyone depressed and makes any attempt at improvement feel void of anything. I'm not a chad whatsoever, probably like a 5 or 6 looks wise. I think my personality pulls me up to like 7, might be higher even depending on who you would ask. I could constantly make myself depressed because I'm not a 10 in terms of looks but what purpose does that even serve. I can't relate to wanting to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 05:18 PM
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I mostly look at dating through the lens of biological dynamics. I think this essentially something that one just has to accept and shouting "shallow" changes nothing. Also if you use this reasoning consistently you end up with the conclusion that life itself is shallow. Why would wanting to date someone highly intelligent or highly talented not also be shallow in this framework? Dating issues won't be fixed by calling people shallow. They will be fixed by addressing socio-economic inequality, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 05:13 PM
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I empathize with their suffering but their worldviews are not accurate. And also not helpful indeed. The thing is, the fact that women care about vibes more than looks doesn't invalidate their suffering but I think they believe it does and thats why they are so attached to it. I have just as much empathy for someone who had a terrible childhood and therefore struggles with social skills or confidence as I have for someone who was born ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 05:09 PM
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Men think women who are nice/friendly want to sleep with them, because most men are only nice to women they deem attractive and want to fuck. Do you have any evidence for this claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 04:59 PM
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That's not hate, that's a factually correct description of Musk lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 04:52 PM
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They just refuse to accept this lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 04:50 PM
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Isn't the word "shallow" just kind of useless when it comes to dating? I think it should be reserved for people who obsess about material things and status symbols.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 04:49 PM
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Listen to "pumped up kicks" while smoking a blunt
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 04:45 PM
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Debatable. They call themselves leftwing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/25 09:24 AM
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I think you should correct this to "That's what DEI and AA CLAIM to counteract" Whether their claim is actually what they really want is exactly what is debatable. People no longer trust that this is the true reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 09:01 PM
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To what extent was this actually done though? I'm aware of the push to get women into stem and the college attendance rates, etc. But it seems that certain posters are upset about the gender imbalance that DEI created while other (white) posters are really, really upset that AA helped POC some. Hard to say objectively I would say. I'm not from the US so I can't directly judge the situation there but I'm in STEM in Western Europe and about 50% of job offers after I graduated openly discriminated …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 08:56 PM
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The biggest problem with DEI is not when it is applied to race but when it is applied to gender. There is plenty of evidence for racism affecting hiring decisions, but the same evidence simply does not exist for sexism, at least not in that way that suggests women should be the primary beneficiaries of DEI initiatives. This has completely undermined any appeal to ethical principles and has made it seem like DEI initiatives have nothing to do with following ethical principles but rather with comp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 03:02 PM
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Leftists with power turned DEI into a total joke by applying it in a clearly unfair and sexist manner. And now you have reactionary backlash to it. Trump can easily destroy every single part related to DEI, even the unproblematic ones, because many parts of the population feel some satisfaction over this ruthless action because it essentially feels like a form of revenge for people who have been wronged by this unfair application. So in the end, the actual vulnerable people DEI was supposed to p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 02:56 PM
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I understand this but in the context of having little time to meet eachother I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 10:06 AM
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I really don't get the appeal of going to see a movie in a cinema. Especially considering my whole friend group are adults now and we already don't see eachother often. Why tf would you want to watch a movie together in silence instead of talking to eachother.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:13 AM
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"Romantic exile" lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:50 PM
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What's the point of constantly comparing yourself to a Chad? I'm asking this genuinely, not to jab at you. It's true that women break their own rules for Chads, and that highly attractive people can get away with way more. This is just as true for attractive women as well. There is nothing fair about it but this is just life. I'm not a Chad either, but I just focus on making the best from the cards I have been dealt. There aren't enough chads and stacies anyway to make them into impossible compe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:13 AM
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I think it's even worse when you think everyone but people like yourself is evil
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:59 AM
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I really do think that's part of the problem. Why would you trust someone who is sexist towards you
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/25 07:01 PM
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Social workers who are already educated into being misandrist lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/25 06:46 PM
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If you’re drawing parables between feminism and naziism then you’re just making yourself come of as radicalised and ahistorical. I'm not radicalised nor ahistorical. Demonizing an out group and certain fascist tendencies are often very similar between different groups and time periods. The fascist trope of "my enemy is both weak and strong at the same time" is very common for any group who blames another group for the problems in the world. Redpillers do the same shit to women, rightwingers do t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:01 AM
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If you’re drawing parables between feminism and naziism then you’re just making yourself come of as radicalised and ahistorical. I'm not radicalised nor ahistorical. Demonizing an out group and certain fascist tendencies are often very similar between different groups and time periods. The fascist trope of "my enemy is both weak and strong at the same time" is very common for any group who blames another group for the problems in the world. Redpillers do the same shit to women, rightwingers do t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:58 AM
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Feminism is for everybody by Bell Hooks comes to mind especially considering it's considered the most pro-male author. Which is very telling when someone who is considered pro-male calls men narcissistic and infantile, thinks all violence is patriarchal violence originating from male dominance and who claims the main issue facing men is that they don't like oppressing women but still do it anyway basically suggesting men are both dumb yet evil and powerful at the same time. I wonder where I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:36 AM
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I disagree. I used to be a feminist and I read plenty of feminist texts/books. I'd argue the majority of it is sexism in the Western world, but rebranded as freedom fighting which is extremely cringe, as cringe as redpillers talking about the matrix.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:28 AM
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What feminists in power? They don't have specific names really. They are the ones in academia, in the government, in lobby groups. You can look into the Duluth Model if you want. Or maybe reflect on different countries having different laws. I was unaware of yours much like you were unaware of mine. I'm sorry you went through that and wish you had, had more support. Uhm no, this is a general and systemic problem in the whole Western world. Maybe not to the same extent in every country but its st…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:54 PM
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Feminists with power yes. They lobby for DV laws that exclude male victims, they infiltrate academia to spread misinformation and disrupt the scientific method leading to ineffective understanding and policy on DV and literally train law enforcement to arrest men by default. And then I haven't even touched on how much stigma the "men are abusers, women are victims" narrative creates. I'm pro equality, but I find it absolutely insane to see people frame this as a positive feminism is responsible …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:44 PM
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I mean are we supposed to pretend that there aren't probably even more feminists than redpillers out there that do exactly this? It's just so bizzare how people expect you to believe feminism is for equality when the movement is filled with sexist garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:35 PM
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Domestic violence - the laws fought for by feminists also help male victims This is seriously orwellian almost. They literally fought to exclude them from it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:32 PM
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I think the saddest thing to me is that a lot of those people aren't inherently socially awkward. Often times they have been abused/mistreated/neglected, and don't necessarily lack the competency they just suffer from trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:14 PM
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Yeah but the dark reality is that selfishness is ultimately selected for to some extent. Someone who is socially awkward is perceived as someone who can't protect themselves. Our monkey brains are dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:48 PM
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That's quite depressing when you think about but I guess it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:34 PM
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Are you claiming it happens to an equal extent?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 10:22 AM
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This is so out of touch with real life. Just a conveniently spun narrative to obscure the reality that is fad more cynical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:09 AM
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A detailed opinion on the redpill
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 09:46 PM
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I have been mistaken for a woman multiple times. Called a cuck, soyboy, incel (while talking about my gf), misandrist, misogynist, wife beater and rapist on this sub lol. The funniest to me is when you make some kind of claim that's on the scale of society and someone starts giving you unasked personal advice which is usually a backhanded insult anyway. I remember I once said something about accountability in romantic relationships and people were like "this is why men like y'all can't keep rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 09:35 PM
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"Have you tried being gay"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 09:18 PM
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Or reply with something that's completely irrelevant or just a conveniently vague insult so that we can't technically remove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 09:16 PM
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I'm used to the English kind of English if you know what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 09:04 PM
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That's a pretty accent
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 08:31 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 08:24 PM
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You sound pretty based
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 07:37 PM
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That doesn't tell us much bro
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 07:31 PM
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Who are you in three words?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 07:25 PM
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Gonna go even further and say people like this are blaming their own lack of boundaries on others. I know this because I used to be one of those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:24 PM
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So you essentially disagree with the branch of psychology that studies personality traits. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:58 AM
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So you disagree with well established facts?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:33 AM
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High neuroticism literally includes difficulties regulating emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 09:53 AM
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Especially not if you regulate them well which women do better than men That contradicts the fact that women are more neurotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 09:22 AM
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https://youtu.be/ly21dNelseE?si=lJ32b9aN05w6YrYM Most underrated rap song.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 11:11 PM
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I have worse experiences here in Western Europe. I mean, it would be framed far more euphemistically obviously but the end result in most of the social sciences is essentially also that men don't matter at all. This is never openly stated but this is the conclusion you get when looking at their actions and beliefs. I find it funny that people keep talking about male dominated fields when in the case of academia the female dominated fields are way worse when it comes to sexism and antagonism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:43 PM
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then i got to college and ill never forget some crazy girl going on a tirade about how she doesn’t care about men, only women and children, and basically had a fantasy of men being all locked away? Let me guess, almost no one even dared to say anything against it and some professors even encouraged it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:34 PM
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the world my very left friends want is actually crazy to me. and yes, the rhetoric is very anti-men, the “straight white male” is their boogeyman. it’s one of the big ways that they lost me. no one is an individual, if you belong to the right demographic you’re holy; you belong to the wrong one, you’re the devil. if i, as a woman, disagree with the left- i’m brainwashed and full of internalized misogyny. god forbid i have my own thoughts. This is why I stopped being a feminist. If these people w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 12:32 PM
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This is what happens when self-awareness is actively discouraged. Yesterday I saw someone claiming "Trump scrapping DEI has the goal of making everyone afraid to hire women and minorities" Which is literally what DEI related initiatives have been doing to men for decades, but that was apparently perfectly fine because in their ideology any kind of discrimination they themselves ingage in makes sense because the narrative is constructed in such a way that they always have the moral highground, fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 11:54 AM
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I did lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 11:38 AM
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Work
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 11:36 AM
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Bro really took the L by divorcing his ex-wife
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 08:47 PM
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Who is this supposed to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 08:43 PM
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Literally no one asked bro
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 07:54 PM
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How have they lost their meaning?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 07:50 PM
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This is a grey area. Consider the following distinction: Someone who claims they will leave without actually wanting to or planning on following through, just to force the other to do what they want. More exteme example: Someone who threatens a break up in every argument to destroy the other emotionally. Someone who genuinely doesn't feel like they get what they want out of the relationship and communicate this is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 07:24 PM
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I understand the argument you're making and I don't fully disagree. But in my view, social science is exactly where emotional thinking is the most harmful. Because quite frankly there is very little stopping social scientists from getting away with it. If I build an airplane based on emotions, it will simply not pass the safety check and I will be fired if this keeps happening. The social sciences use the fact that studying human behaviour is more difficult as an excuse to justify their own bias…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:55 PM
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Why is that "lol"? Do you really think the advancement of knowledge should come at the expense of human well being? This is like the question "would you rather you child be smart or kind"? Neither answer is inherently "wrong", it's just a preference and you can value both advancement of knowledge and human well being, despite having a preference for one over the other. It should come at the expense of human emotional wellbeing in the context of working in an academic institution yes. Because if …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:25 PM
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When the arguer cherrypicks for only the more subjective harms such as personal offense, yeah. That's why you keep writing "harm/offense", because you are trying to conflate the two. Other harms, such as physical and mental disability, access to education, access to resources, systemic poverty, etc, are a bit easier to track. Yeah, because that's mostly what this refers to in practice. The only way in which academia can cause such harm that is easier to track is exactly by not focusing on empiri…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:52 PM
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I disagree. Harm is extremely difficult to measure objectively and assigning who is responsible for that harm is even more difficult, which is what you're doing when you suppress research because it could harm someone. You could easily argue that someone who is harmed/offended by a controversial research conclusion is harming themselves because they refuse to accept reality. So rather than the person who gave the conclusion, their own inability to accept truth is responsible for the harm. But ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:30 PM
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Caring about moral desirability is clearly less objective than caring about empirical validity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:17 PM
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It also completely misses the point that this article even makes. Playing emphasis on truth vs feelings is completely different than being emotional yourself. It is about what you prioritise in the world. The article states men care more about empirical validity than moral desirability compared to women, this in indeed putting truth over feelings because moral desirability is far more related to people and their feelings than empirical validity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:16 PM
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So? This is irrelevant to your point unless you are presuming that free speech is the more logical one and limitations on speech is the more emotional one. One could just as easily argue that free speech is the more emotional one, because saying whatever you want regardless of the harm it causes others is a pretty emotional thing to do. This doesn't really make sense. The point isn't about who is more emotional but rather who values emotions over truth/fact more. The argument here is that women …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:27 PM
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What I find frightening is that this take even works as propaganda. "Misandry only harms men's fragile feelings" is so easily debunked with factual evidence, to the point I'm wondering whether these people have given up on the concept of truth/fact in the first place. Which suggests their ideological indoctrination runs so deep that it isn't that far removed from totalitarianism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/25 11:49 AM
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No I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say. This post is about relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 08:20 PM
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The news? What does the news has got to do with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 08:15 PM
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But do men say those things as often? I seriously doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 08:11 PM
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I like it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:26 PM
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What style do you paint in?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:41 PM
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Paint what? A painting?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:33 PM
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There's absolutely no need to do that. A lot of men do it too and I can't stand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:31 PM
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Life is unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:31 PM
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Yeah you don't owe forgiveness or anything else to them imo. But I'm guessing this happened in a religious context where it's often said people have to forgive others, as if it is something you can and should force. I think this is really toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:22 PM
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That sounds really bad, damn. Are you okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:15 PM
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Wtf you're based.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 10:14 PM
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I can read both clouds and weather maps almost perfectly. And I could even do this when I was like 10 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 09:58 PM
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This sub cannot meaningfully prove that, it is too small and doesn't have a neutral way of selecting a sample of men to extrapolate from.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 01:34 PM
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So no actual evidence and a giant example of men not taking responsibility. ? That doesnt mean men take more responsibility. That means theyre held responsible by others. I believe the former is caused by the latter based on how socialisation and social norms work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 01:24 PM
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It does when large swaths of men dont think men should be blamed for anything. This isn't a large swath of men lol. Not like we have cold hard evidence that men actually take responsibility more than women. 100% agree, and part of the reason is that people disagree about what responsibility even means in the first place. We do however have evidence that people assign more agency to men, which makes me lean more towards the "men are expected to take more responsibility" while still remaining most…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 01:18 PM
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It falls on deaf ears when this sub contradicts its own point. Its really that simple. I'd even agree with that, but it doesn't disprove the claim they are making. It also isn't exactly surprising that reactionary spaces can develop in reaction to some kind of more large-scale process/phenomenon. Feminism developed in the same way historically, and the fact that this usually turns out toxic doesn't mean the original phenomenon they rallied against wasn't a thing. Thank you for proving me right! …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 01:06 PM
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It's perfectly possible to make claims about large-scale society without this needing to be reflected in every subsegment of the same society, such as this subreddit. There is little point in addressing whether the examples you gave are valid or not, considering the logical reasoning doesn't make sense regardless of those examples. "Men not being blamed for anything" on this subreddit does not disprove the claim "Men take responsibility more" regardless of whether you and me think this claim is …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:52 PM
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It's nice. I prefer pasta salads even more but I already eat too much pasta
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:23 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:17 PM
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I mean why do you think someone who values peace would post something like this here unprovoked lmao?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:14 PM
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This needs bread or rice
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:12 PM
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This got to be the worst attempt at a gotcha post I have ever seen, Jesus Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 07:20 AM
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German is such an unserious language. My algorithm has started showing me German brainrot memes and they are funny just because the language sounds so comical
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 10:07 PM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 09:26 PM
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Wow so brave /s
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 09:18 PM
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I saw some things about the corruption and about how a new Conservative party is predicted to win the elections. Personally I feel like Norway should use more money from their wealth fund to develop high-tech industry that isn't polluting. Having so much money to spend as a government is a huge privilege but I feel like it isn't used enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 09:14 PM
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How does this manifest itself in practice?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 09:03 PM
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How is it changing?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:58 PM
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Why are you Picasso pilled?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:58 PM
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This is why teenagers shouldn't drive
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:49 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:27 PM
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I'm one of those men, but it got better over time
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 09:22 PM
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I mean the issue is that the concept of a debate post has limitations. People have to provide counterpoints to OP's claim here, but this clearly creates an issue when someone makes a factually correct claim. Then by definition you're going to get responses with weak arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 09:15 PM
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It comes from how men are socialized. We are socialized to act like we are in control of our emotions at all times because we are implicitly told that not doing so makes us dangerous. Someone who is moaning doesn't act like someone who is in control of themselves so some part in our brain tries to block it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 09:02 PM
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Yeah but then you have intrinsic motivation to be social with people you enjoy being around. You're not doing it because you're desperate for a specific friend or romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:22 PM
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You didn't but the comment you reply to is arguing against the blue pill advice to find a hobby specifically to attract women. I personally think this is bad advice not because having a hobby doesn't matter for attracting women but because the advice encourages desperation and doing things only to win the approval of others. And women especially don't find it attractive when men are desperate and put them on a pedestal, in my experience at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 08:20 PM
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Yeah but people who are interesting have intrinsic motivation to do certain things, they don't do it to win approval from others
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 08:15 PM
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The talent some people here have to pick the worst arguments or example for their claims. Absolutely crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:24 PM
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Yeah the problem is race base oppression has actual robust evidence behind the theory while patriarchy hasn't. Most negative outcomes that people suffer because of their ethnicity are the same outcomes that men are more likely to suffer from.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 12:15 PM
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One of the weakest excuses for sexism I have ever seen
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 09:51 AM
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Not someone’s mom donating to causes she cares about, being supportive to her friends, and invested in her children. I'm more sceptical on the donating thing, but not specifically for women, just in general. I have seen too many people like this (and my mom worked in social security, where such people are plenty) who portray an outward persona of being altruistic and open minded but in reality they are obsessed with power. This is what the person who I replied to read in the OP and decided to re…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 02:06 PM
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What would you see as a true example of virtue signalling?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 12:52 PM
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I doubt his ramblings will be brought into practice though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 12:33 PM
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Not sure I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 05:29 AM
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I'm more sceptical on the compassion part. Especially considering that it's pretty much impossible to give an objective definition of what it means. Also OP's title doesn't make sense compared to his argument. He's arguing that women are more kind than men, but this simply not the same as arguing women are more empathic than men. Empathy for example makes it so that you can recognize people's emotions more easily but that doesn't mean you're interested in being kind to those people. You could al…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:47 PM
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Yeah but those studies measure empathy, not compassion. Empathy is a tool/skill that can be used both positively or negatively. Studies finding women have more empathy don't immediately support the OP, which is clearly saying women are more compassionate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:38 PM
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It's not "virtue-signaling." I agree but... Virtue-signaling" is a concept solipsistic sociopaths made up out of projection. This is nonsense. There are plenty of people especially on the internet who fit the label and I'm not a solipsistic sociopath. It's extremely easy these days to judge people for not being perfectly moral online while not really practicing what one preaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:31 PM
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Yeah, but what OP is talking about is not empathy, but compassion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:26 PM
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That's debatable, people use the word stoicism in an inconsistent manner. Cognitive behavioural therapy, one of the most used therapy techniques developed from the philosophy of stoicism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 01:43 PM
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This actually suggests that it is biological more than it suggests the opposite. If it was pure conditioning, these people who break gender roles wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 01:42 PM
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That doesn't really prove that it is just conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 01:40 PM
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I would
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 07:06 AM
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I don't see how you can understand "his energy" from this video. It seems like a fairly neutral video about something he did. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 07:03 AM
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What world do you live in? Most victims of domestic abuse are women who are abused at the hands of men. This is false. Men get women pregnant so they are unable to work for long periods. So they rack up medical bills. And so they are stuck with a child that will cost them a lot more money than a single parent is likely to make in this economy. So they are the most physically vulnerable they have been in their entire lives and even less able to fight back. Except women have many birth control opt…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:31 PM
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as an abuse victim myself, i feel you. but i do think there are tangible things that can be done to protect domestic violence victims much more than we currently are. there could be better accessibility for legal aid for obtaining restraining orders. there could be stronger sentencing for abusers when they do end up in court. better protection for the privacy of victims. more resources for victims, ie shelters, relocation services. financial support, help finding jobs and re-establishing themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:59 PM
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Isn't there a clear difference between an unfairness created by something no one could decide on and one that is created by the law? I thought you studied law, wouldn't it make sense to consider this distinction? I don't think men should be held legally responsible for the fact that women get pregnant, give birth and suffer menstruation, just like we don't hold random people accountable for the fact that some people develop cancer. It's not like men collectively chose for women having these thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:45 PM
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I'm gonna give a very real/straight answer to this as a man who experienced abuse from a woman that almost ended my life. No we can't find better ways to protect DV victims and especially not for male victims. The problem regarding how society treats male victims of abuse is so systemic and deeply ingrained with roots in academia, law enforcement and the juridical system that no, we aren't going to find better ways any time soon. No one with power is trying to improve it, in fact it's the opposi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:25 PM
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I don’t have a twisted view on reality, it is a documented fact that men purposefully get women pregnant to make it harder for them to leave abusive relationships. Especially to put a strain on them financially. Most violence starts after the baby is born, and most marital rape happens while the mother is pregnant or after giving birth. Men do this. I’m not making it up. But women do this men as well and men have far less birth control options to protect themselves from such abusers who use chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:17 PM
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So basically, a woman making an irresponsible decision because of her feelings/religion deserves empathy but men having pretty much no choice at all and being forced into an irresponsible situation is an acceptable outcome? Do you not see how sexist this sounds?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:01 PM
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The argument for it is that it is a protection from abusive women who use children to control their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 08:58 PM
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I wasn't arguing it was not a valid question or anything. I just think it's funny to consider how much more meta a question can be until it breaks down. We run into similar meta discussions at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 04:12 PM
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This post be like: What's your perception of men's perception of your own perception of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:43 PM
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I run into such people too but I never really framed that through the lens of being considerate. I frame it as people either not loving eachother, or just being immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:30 PM
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Peas and carrots are among the few vegetables that deal well with cold and wet weather.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:04 PM
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Well that's not the case, or at least was not the case, but I cut most people who aren't at least decent out of my life. But for me I'd had more people who were simultaneously abusive and mentally unwell and considerate at the same time. Funny how that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:04 PM
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We call this "Norwegian/Swedish vegetables" in Belgium lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:51 PM
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Unless we are in a dead bedroom situation I probably wouldn't care
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:42 PM
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And again I have a cold. Can't I have just one whole week where I can work at 100% productivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:19 PM
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I guess, I can't really relate to that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:16 PM
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You should definitely appreciate it and show your gratitude don't get me wrong. I just see this as a pretty normal thing to be done between two people who love eachother.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:06 PM
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How is this a high bar lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 01:40 PM
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Well for starters, your claim is far too hyperbolic and absolute. Not all relationships are like this, and even those in which the women's needs are prioritised are rarely going to be 0/100 rather than for example 40/60. Furthermore, the claim is not specific enough and it ignores well established facts about relationships. For example, women are more likely to move to support their male partners career, and they take a bigger risk with childbirth than men. Not just when it comes to the physical…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 12:15 PM
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i'm 100000% confident that even if they managed to "Smash The Patriarchy" Men would still face systemic issues in every facet of our society.. Smashing "The Patriarchy" isn't going to suddenly fix men getting longer prison sentences compared to women, nor is it going to stop / prevent women making false rape accusations against men.. They would never ever consider The Patriarchy as smashed. You could have the most matriarchal hypothetical society and they would still claim it is Patriarchal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 09:13 PM
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You should educate yourself on the topic before making such comparisons
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 07:25 AM
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This comment is not talking about experiences. It is making empirical claims that can be disproven by evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 07:08 AM
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No, men and women do not have the same cognitive capabilities. Men tend to dominate the higher and lower ends in regards to IQ. Women just have less variance in their score distributions. That is why you see more men who are billionaires or in mentally challenging fields than women. Men and women are both allowed to compete in chess.. You know how many women made it into the top 100? It’s 1… If we don’t segregate men and women we will rarely see women represented.. Why is this a problem though? …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 03:27 PM
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I have the opposite experience, but also you can't argue that a boob is the same level of intimate as a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 11:36 AM
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I agree they are somewhat comparable. But I don't feel like they are equally considered taboo. I have never felt okay talking about these things much because I have always been told it is immoral to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 11:32 AM
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Idk if there is a language barrier or something but in my native language those are not considered genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 11:28 AM
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Rape and abuse” are considered horrible in the abstract sense, but there’s a lot of people who still reflexively disbelieve / downplay / interrogate any victim who speaks out. Yeah, but this is magnitudes worse if the victim is male. Which suggests its far more of a systemic issue that men face.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 11:22 AM
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Women don't really face more real systemic issues than men do in the west. But leaving that aside. Someone can absolutely cry that they have it worse because they can't find a girlfriend even when that isn't a systemic issue. Systemic refers to the scale of an issue, not to how severely it affects someone's well-being. I would much rather be paid 1% less for my work because of my gender, receive less promotions, be seen as slightly less competent in very specific fields, than be unable to find a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 11:18 AM
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“Sure, women are kept from jobs they want, equal pay, adequate healthcare, promotions, being seen as intelligent or capable, being seen as a person in general and not a sex object from the time they’re 9 years old, pursuing their dreams, maintaining the same level of career success when they become parents, recognized for their accomplishments without being accused of fucking their way to the top, wanting more than just being a parent and partner, having their unpaid labor be recognized as impor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 11:10 AM
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But the religions that started the practice are Abrahamic religions. Which are patriarchal. This isn't true, this practice already existed in certain tribes that didn't belong to a formal religion as far as I'm aware. But also, that doesn't really prove that what you said right. First of, something being "patriarchal" doesn't mean most men have power to influence decision making, neither that those powerful men were completely indifferent to what powerful women (such as their wives or family mem…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 10:38 AM
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Simple: Because these actions and decisions were usually made and performed by men. The religions that created MGM and FGM are patriarchal religions. I mean, this is just as speculative and dubious on your part to assume "men" as a group made these decisions with zero input from women. FYI FGM was often performed by older women on little girls. The people making most of the laws and regulations have been men. Meaning either men have always been very asocial to both women and their own kind (whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 10:25 AM
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The irony is that the reason male genitals are seen as less in need of protection is because a man was seen as having value beyond just his genitals. Historically, the woman's value was her genitals, so if you sterilise her, she loses value. Evidence that this is the sole, main, or important reason that male genitals are seen as less in need of protection. How do you know that this is the reason, as opposed to a much simpler explanation that people just have less empathy for men (which we have p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 10:11 AM
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The problem is that it isn't really worse as an overarching thing because there are many different versions of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 07:50 AM
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I think what OP is hinting at is that anyone who talks about female genitals would be easily considered weird, while the same is not really true for people talking about dicks. Women talking about dick size to eachother aren't really considered weird or sexist but if men were to do the same thing about women then it's highly likely it would be considered weird and misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 07:49 AM
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Do you have actual evidence for this? This seems highly speculative.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 07:46 AM
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Every time I enter a local bookstore there is a section dedicated to women/feminism. Books about relationships from the perspective of women, books about general feminism and books that are just straight up hateful garbage. There is almost nothing of a similar kind for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/25 08:56 PM
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I believe in the existence of the feminist gaze and it's defining feature is double standards and internal contradiction. But yes, you're right. It's another contradiction that makes no sense but is somehow ignored.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/25 05:12 PM
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Western Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 02:01 PM
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A science based therapy would not use the concept of masculinity in the first place because it isn't a scientifically viable concept. It would consist of the therapist listening to the struggles their patients faces and then using something like cbt to deal with in the best way possible for the goals of the patient. In case someone is suffering with gender dysphoria, or is trans, then the therapist should use the scientific theories about these disorders from neuroscience and psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:54 PM
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There is a few research papers written on this topic, I can search for them later as I'm currently not home. That being said, I think in this case we can also use deductive reasoning. I believe ideological corruption in scientific fields always leads to suffering of patients. For example, think about how women were called hysterical or how the female orgasm was considered completely unnecessary in the past. In highly religious countries, therapists often infuse religion into their therapy sessio…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:47 PM
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Being an introverted man is only a negative if you live in the US. Here women find mysterious men hot, especially if they are also creative.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:36 PM
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How does any of this actually affect practise and actual counselling sessions? It's hard to quantify in numbers, but considering the reputation and influence of the APA, I'd argue it's probably substantial. Could you be more specific? About what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:34 PM
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Oh, please explain the criticism of "therapy is cucked". Who said that? It sure wasn't me. Until what is addressed? You haven't actually made any pointed criticisms beyond "this MRA dude doesn't like therapy based on some guidelines that totally exist just trust me bro" The fact that ideological bias is included in the education therapists receive, and that the methodologies used don't appeal to men. Also? I gave you plenty of evidence. This is the excuse you'll use indefinitely. There will alwa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:40 AM
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What was spoken about in the link if you actually read it was that the issues men face are being taken seriously and paid attention to. The grifters can't have men actually getting help with their mental health, they'd lose all their audience. This is an extremely generous interpretation of what that document says. Like, just because you like the same ideology doesn't mean it is acceptable to allow it to corrupt science-based medicine. This document, clearly shows me, a man who had an academic s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 05:50 AM
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What are the extremist feminist ideals you feel are being pushed by the leaders of the supposed movement? I'm not sure I know how to anwser this when framed in terms of ideals. I think the key thing for me is that I don't think they have any consistent ideals, but are just straight up female chauvinists, and they just change their claimed ideals to serve whatever serves their chauvinism. They have one ideal; "does it benefit and increase the power of women" and even that one is often corrupted i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:31 PM
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Then you clearly haven't been reading. Red pillers demonize mental health treatment any time it comes up, much like you've tried to do here. Critisizing something is not demonizing it. In fact if you read my post, you would have seen I said "until it is addressed" meaning I want mental health treatment to be improved, which is not something that someone who merely wants to demonize it would say. I believe it can and should be improved. But maybe it's also worth considering the question of why bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:12 PM
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The people that you consider "extremists" are leading the feminist movement. That's the problem. And they are indoctrinating young women, in the exact same way redpillers are indoctrinating young men. I support neither because it's dangerous to the future of liberty and prosperity in society. I have never abandoned my principles, I just realized most feminists don't support the principles I find important. For example, I support gender equality, science-based policy making and free speech. Femin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:46 PM
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This doesn't really work when it comes to feminists. One of the biggest things that confirmed to me that I should abandon my own feminist identity is watching real feminists in my university behave. At that point I knew it wasn't just some niche online phenomenon but an actually real issue that can't just be ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:17 PM
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The accusation is kinda weird ngl. Most of my post is quoted from a scientific paper, and the rest is just an explanation of what claim I want to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:56 PM
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It’s just proof that misandry isn’t real Only someone who is misandrist would make that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:12 PM
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Listing manosphere interpretations of APA guidelines is not really supporting your argument, that's just circular logic. What is a manosphere interpretation of APA guidelines? As far as I'm aware there is no well known redpill stance on these guidelines. This is a combination of my own interpretation, and one of a researcher working in psychology. I don't think either of us is redpilled. Also, can you point out why this interpretation is wrong and what exactly here is circular logic? The data, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:47 PM
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I think i was able to find what you are referring to APA Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men Thank you for finding it! How did you manage to do that? It's not guidelines for clinical practice, these are not specific instructions of how to treat male clients regardless of what ails them. Can you also explain why you think that? I'm not inclined to think that considering the title is literally "guidelines for psychological practice with Boys and Men" and the document constantly…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:34 PM
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Yes, because they did in their guidelines. But also, the strong focus on male privilege at all suggests a conflict of interest between what is scientifically true and what those with power in the APA ideologically/politically believe. The same ideology is dominant in social science departments which educate therapists. I actually hate that the link got removed, because then you could read it for yourself instead of having to read indirect sources. Like even when you Google it you still find the …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 04:26 PM
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Where on earth is this happening? Is there evidence that professional therapists are spouting feminist talking points at their clients instead of treating them? If stuff like this is actually happening you should be filing complaints. It's hard to say that therapists are the problem if you are just totally making up fantasy stories about how therapy even works. The APA is the official organisation uniting mental health practitioners in the US. This is an official document of guidelines that thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 04:16 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:47 PM
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I don't disagree completely.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/25 03:22 PM
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I don't know to what extent they are removed. They have been removed from the website in December 2024, but I can only speculate for the reasons why. It could be that they listened to the backlash, or it could be that a new updated document is coming out soon that is still problematic. But even if the guidelines are removed, the systemic issues that underpin it aren't automatically gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:03 PM
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The point is literally clearly layed out in the topic title. Also, if I were to shorten the post, then you'd have people complaining I provided no evidence and the debate would spiral into mudslinging with no actual content added. What does this have to do with my ego? Seems like you don't like the claim but also don't like it can't be easily dismissed so instead you dismiss the whole post as a rant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 03:00 PM
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You’re right I didn’t read this term paper as usually when someone can’t get to the point they don’t know enough about their subject or they are angry/ranting. So every scientist in the world is constantly ranting and unknowledgable? Someone who takes the time to quote scientific papers and makes very clear claims he wants to see debated is clearly not ranting by definition of the word rant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:48 PM
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Stop being a pussy and get your shit together" is the best advice on mental health that you'll ever get as a man. I think society is capable of providing far better advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:10 PM
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Fun fact; I didn't use chatgpt to write this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:06 PM
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A woman who is vocally supporting dv shelters for women can just as easily be taken by her male partner as her thinking he would abuse her. But that would be making people's reasonable fears about himself. When women do the same thing, it's seen as perfectly justified behaviour because "without trust there is no relationship".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 01:29 PM
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Thanks for providing scientific sources.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/25 01:27 PM
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For this topic you at least have a pratical argument that ex-lovers probably don't want to be around eachother.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/25 01:26 PM
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Looking at my industry, publishing, and at academia, both of which are now majority female, it's clear that adding more women to these fields has resulted in increased conformity of thought, rather than diversity. In fact, it seems that women are the drivers of much of the authoritarianism, groupthink and censoriousness in academia today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-antisocial-psychologist/202104/the-gender-gap-in-censorship-support Doesn't this contradict your claim that you cou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/25 01:26 PM
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Translation: "I agree with the humanisation, so I don't even perceive it as such" From the first link: According to feminists, the ideology of patriarchy positively relates to the perpetuation and acceptance of the abuse of women (Smith, 1990; Yllo & Straus, 1990). Patriarchy is “an ‘umbrella’ term for describing men's systemic dominance of women” (Pease, 2000, p. 20). The feminist perspective has been criticized by various groups such as academics, clinical practitioners, and sociologists for s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 10:49 AM
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Links Of actual evidence of all these evil feminists doing it please, otherwise your just ranting. ... I didn't call feminists evil. I said the belief in Patriarchy is common in the movement, and is far more similar to the Jewish conspiracy used by the Nazi's than what their opponents do in turn. Do you really dispute this? https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/social-sciences/patriarchy#:~:text=Within%20feminist%20scholarship%2C%20patriarchy%20has,such%20have%20authority%20over%20them. Just some…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 10:15 AM
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What you said has been used by some feminists to advocate for genociding 90% of the male population and keeping the other 10% for breeding purposes. I think some defensiveness is warranted here. But also, I'm skeptical about some things you said in your initial comments. You said 95% of domestic violence homicides are done by men, but I don't buy that at all. And even if that were true, its quite convenient that hiring another man to do it, or simply driving your partner to homicide himself is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 11:49 PM
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80/20 rule is just statistically impossible. The fact that people believe in it blows my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 11:14 PM
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I mean, in some situations this applies. In others it doesn't. Especially not when we are studying human behaviour. Linking to a source doesn't inherently make your opinion better or worse. Someone can say the truth, without linking to a source and without even having used sources. Sometimes there are no reliable sources and sometimes the dudes and girls writing these sources are the ones who are being critisized and they don't like critisizing themselves so obviously they aren't going to make s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 10:33 PM
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Hold on, if it’s so easy to find said sources (every textbook or book). Then it should be easy to source. No it's not, because they will continue arguing over the concept "most" . Even still, why does someone has to do that? Like? If you have read nothing about the topic, why are you debating people about it? Why do they have to play professor for you? And for the second one, people here have actually done the math to prove it’s statistically impossible. Right, but why does it need to be done ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 10:24 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 10:20 PM
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There is a whole spectrum between "trust me bro" and "write me a scientific dissertation bro" Some things can be easily observed but people are intentionally pedantic because they want to sabotage the conversation. For example, I'm asked to prove that most feminists believe we live in a patriarchy where men are privileged. In pretty much every feminist text or book you will find references to this, and in almost every conversation you have with one, it will come up. Why do I need to provide a sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 10:17 PM
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Redditors and their petulant need to ask for sources for literally any claim someone makes. At this point you can't even say you went to the bakery this morning without providing some paper proving it. And most of the time, the person asking for sources themselves links an opinion piece that simply consists of someone else having the same opinion as them, the implication being that the act of linking a source empowers your opinion regardless of what source is actually linked. And even when someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 10:06 PM
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Wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 09:37 PM
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We also would have far less innovations, a lower quality of life, and probably would still be hunter/gatherers because there would be nobody maintaining law, order and property rights that are necessary for any society that is sedentary and based on farming for food. Furthermore, this situation would create an evolutionary niche for those women who are more aggressive to evolve towards becoming exactly like what men have become. Like what is even the point of such a hypothetical?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 09:26 PM
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I can tell you the evidence to your face. No need to have any links for this, unless you want links to history books and psychology books. The guy who wrote the OP literally said : Feminists dont do it because of some conspiracy, they do it because they can't handle a man's suffering. Because it's weak men who have hurt feelings, it's the weak men who suffer and feminists HATE weak men. Which means they don't actually believe feminists are intentionally conspiring against them, which is what the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 09:17 PM
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Your evidence provided is just "trust me bro", well Hitchen's Razor applies then, as I am not convinced this claim can be evaluated, so I think it can be disregarded as nonsense. I mean, no it's not trust me bro. You can read feminists texts, written by the diverse groups in feminism. For example TERFS, radical feminists, intersectional feminism, marxist feminism, etc. You will see that there is little difference when it comes to how they approach men, with only marxist feminism being somewhat l…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 08:57 PM
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I'm not sure this is true of feminism as a wider ideology, sure, some feminists might be like this, but who exactly are you referring to here? Do you mean ALL feminists are like this, well, see above, do you mean some? I think we are just bordering on nonsense here, these seem like they are just wide generalisations with no real substance behind them. I believe all feminists support an ideology that encourages hatred towards men even those that aren't aware that they are. That doesn't mean most …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 08:36 PM
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Do you mean all or most feminists? I'm not sure who you are referring to? Depending on how many people you are referring you might have to start supplying scientific evidence for this claim to be evaluated, I'm not sure who you are referring to, so it's difficult to know what you exactly mean. Just worth noting, is that if you mean ALL feminists, well that would be untrue, because I'm a feminist, and there are likely a lot of views you might be referring to that I don't share. Most. You can easi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 08:16 PM
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HAHAHAHAHA, this is hilarious. Of course men see femininity as inferior to masculinity. Being sexually attracted to femininity doesn't negate the blatantly obvious ways in which women are seen as less competent and unable to perform certain tasks by men. Men see femininity as inferior mainly in men, not as much in women. Of course, people also see their own way of living as superior, it's called egocentrism. Women similarly see masculinity as inferior but no one would use that to claim masculine…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 07:47 PM
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What? Lmao. Do you really think homophobia being tied to misogyny is completely arbitrary? Honestly, yes I do. Being gay is associated with acting femininely. Men are derogatorily referred to by terms for gay men when they do anything feminine, because they believe emulating feminine characteristics makes them inferior in some way. That doesn't mean they think being feminine is inferior, because men don't hate feminity in women. That means they think a man should rigidly conform to the male gend…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 06:37 PM
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Already answered this point in another comment. To anwser the point you made elsewhere, I have the following counterpoints: 1) In my opinion, the accuracy and moral acceptability of such a generalization depends on how similar or diverse the group in question is and the aspect of said group that is being talked about. Groups can simultaneously be considered both diverse and uniform, depending on what aspect of said group you are looking at. I argue that feminism is very uniform when it comes to …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 06:31 PM
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Criticism of your own gender is fine. It just has absolutely nothing to do with the topic we are talking about. What you said doesn't prove that it is misogyny, it doesn't prove that feminists don't enforce gender roles, it doesn't disprove what I said in my previous comment. In my experience, the "by other men though" is always used as a blocking word because someone has run out of arguments and has gotten defensive. Honestly no hard feelings. The suffering you experienced by the hands of other…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:45 PM
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... did you really have to give another illustration of my point Men are perpetrators and women are victims right? You needed to make that clear one more time because can't have it any other way right? Do you realize we are talking about human suffering here and that the one who caused it is irrelevant for how it is experienced?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:36 PM
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Kind of ironic when the actions of feminists are far more similar to doing this to men: It’s kinda like how the nazis started spreading hate about the Jews in hope the common people would see them as less human Than those that critisize them for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:27 PM
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You do realize this is essentially just a completely subjective framing of the issue right? There is nothing objective in this universe that says this is just a branch of misogyny rather than a branch of misandry, it's something people frame it as for arbitrary and subjective reasons. The fact that people feel the need to do that is exactly why people like OP (imo rightly) believe that feminists themselves reinforce gender roles. They see women as victims and men as powerful, so men suffering fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:21 PM
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I don't agree with this, because being a feminist is a choice. Generalizing a group based on ideological grounds is widely different from generalizing based on an immutable characteristic they can't remove from themselves. Now I'm not saying that makes it ideal to generalize in every situation. But it does happen quite often that ideologies spiral into groupthink, conformism and dogmatism which makes them quite uniform and I'd argue that this is definitely the case for modern feminism. Most of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:58 PM
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That makes it even worse. They don't even have an excuse that makes it more understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 09:33 AM
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This is going to be so widely unpopular but here goes. This is another way that the patriarchy has failed men. If there were more male therapists, there may be a more willingness for men to open up. Many men, myself included, don't believe that Western society can be accurately described as a patriarchy, at least not in the description given by most feminists. We see the concept as inherently connected to a new and common form of "intellectualised sexism" that has developed over the past few dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:16 AM
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Yeah, I took some social science classes in university. Psychology was mostly fine in my case, but the second you interacted with sociology, social work, sustainability related topics, etc it was just filled with subtle sexism that had nothing to do with the scientific method. The vast majority of these people are raised to be sexist, if they weren't already from the start. I don't find it surprising at all that men don't trust the institutions manned (or womanned in this case) by people who are…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:45 PM
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Yeah but in the case of therapy we have the problem that on the one hand the most often used treatments are more suited to women and on the other hand that it has increasingly become intertwined with ideology and sexist bias, especially in the US, less so in Europe but the problem still exists there as well. Just take a look at the APA guidelines on men and boys that was published some years ago. It encourages therapists to treat their patients as political conversion projects rather than focusi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:40 PM
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Because the reason they bottling things up is societal, and even therapy itself is at fault for this. The reason why men bottle things up is that they are judged when they express it, and that therapy itself has a problem of sexist bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:57 PM
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It is not just a woman thing to be offended when the person you have chosen to build a life with, marry, and have children with, implies - based on nothing you’ve done - that you are a cold sociopath that would purposefully betray them and ruin their life. It is normal to be upset that you are seen that way by your partner, and it’s honestly ridiculous cope to pretend otherwise The problem is not being offended. The problem is completely centering the feeling of being offended, and threatening t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:02 PM
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Everyone can be that type of person. It's little more than women's bruised ego that leads to these responses. When they are the ones wanting to protect themselves, suddenly men should be okay with it. Emergency funds, bags, domestic violence laws, shelters l, ... women constantly support all of those things, which equally suggests they believe their boyfriend or husband could abuse them. But most men don't make issues out of this, because their ego handles this aspect of life with far more grace…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:37 PM
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However even among states that include coercive control under “abuse,” cheating or paternity fraud is not among what is listed. I wasn't claiming otherwise, my point is that the legal definition isn't somehow morally neutral or something people should agree with. The fact that coercive control is implemented but paternity fraud isn't seems to suggest those in charge of the definition are sexist. Especially considering coercive control as a concept was invented specifically by a feminist to false…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:55 PM
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I mean this extremely easy to say for someone who belongs to the gender that is favoured the most by the current legal definitions of things. Domestic violence isn't even used to refer only to violence, as things such as coercive control and financial abuse are also often included in it. It seems to me that the annoyance towards men making words mean anything is that it conflicts with the idea that women face worse issues and are more worthy of compassion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:25 AM
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Correcting someone who is saying something that is factually wrong also isn't derailing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/24 10:05 PM
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Yeah they are the same, I have felt like feminists are the flat earthers of gender too. Except they have far more power and influence than the redpill. They also make claims about men that make you wonder if they have ever talked to one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:57 AM
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In reality, real life is somewhere between the blue pill and the red pill. If you're strongly to one side, you're letting yourself be indoctrinated by convenient falsehoods. I do think more and more men are waking up to the biases in society as a whole, but that doesn't mean most of them turn into redpillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:50 AM
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We are supposed to believe it's the patriarchy, when the actions are done by those who claim to fight patriarchy. So basically, feminists are agents of the patriarchy, but also "no true feminist" and blaming feminists is misogyny.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/24 08:56 AM
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I guess it really struck a nerve huh? How about you consider that men simply live life interacting with women (their mother, aunt, sister, girlfriends, female friends, etc) and they notice that they are regularly expected to repress their emotions in subtle and not so subtle ways by those women in a way that they don't expect from other women. It's definitely not all of them but it is enough to notice. A random woman verbally saying online that men shouldn't repress their emotions changes nothin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:52 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:32 PM
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This is such a strong thing that I have stopped asking others for relationship advice as a man and decided it's better to find my own way. Of course this requires me to look at myself with a critical lens and hold myself accountable, instead of coddling my own ego. This isn't easy to do, but it's better than receiving advice that sets you up to be abused and exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 10:41 AM
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Immigrants usually do the jobs that the native population doesn't want to do. Often times these are low paying, dangerous and physically taxing jobs. So no, women aren't as economically viable when you take this into account since most people who are willing to do these jobs are male.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:03 PM
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One of the most cringe memes I have ever layed my eyes upon. Even the posture is cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 12:53 PM
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Saying "just have to provide and their job is done" in a world with increasing wealth inequality that has just experienced years of high inflation is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 08:00 AM
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I mean they don't carry blame for it, but it's not like the ideology behind it has changed much. They still dehumanize men. They carry blame for the ideology they support.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 09:39 PM
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Sure but when it's used to argue that "some men are just inherently undesirable and absolutely nothing can be done" I really don't think it makes sense. Take wealth inequality for example, since most women are somewhat attracted to status, increasing wealth inequality makes more men undesirable so there is actually a way in which you can make more men desirable and increase societal stability, by adressing wealth inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 09:28 PM
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I think in those situations there should be a clear way for men to file to disestablish parentage. However, it’s tricky. Some men may still care for the child or feel like they are their father within the family unit. I think he should just have the choice to do what is best for him. The problem is that there is no way to really undo the damage in this situation, and neither is there really a kind of punishment for the woman that makes sense. I don't think you can really throw someone in jail fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 09:21 PM
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Having these multiple options, that aren't really options to them, is somewhat similar to women having multiple options that aren't really options. This is the core part where I disagree. Your sexual orientation is determined in the womb, and this does not really change when the environment around you changes. But your ranking of potential partners within the orientation you have changes based on the environment you're living in. If tomorrow all women looked like supermodels, my standards for lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 09:06 PM
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I think it's still fucked up that you're forced to do this. A guy like this has been betrayed and then has to occupy his mind with doing paperwork and going through a court which probably get's dragged out for a long time. Besides, the woman can just pretend to not know the bio dad and then nothing happens if I understand you correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:51 PM
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I'm not sure honestly. It could be both.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:17 PM
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In my experience this metaphor isn't really used to adress that aspect of it. More often, it's used to argue that sexual attraction can't be negotiated, and that women feeling unattracted to some men is the same as men feeling unattracted to other men. And I don't buy it tbh. I really don't think it's anything alike. But people hate thinking about how their own view of what is attractive is highly determined by the society they live in and instead prefer to think it's some fixed thing about them…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 08:14 PM
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No because I personally believe that overpopulation is a danger to the biological success of many over the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 07:11 PM
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I mean even then the metaphor doesn't really work. Men only respond with disgust to that idea because they are indoctrinated with homophobia from a very young age. It has very little to do with someone you don't want being interested in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 07:04 PM
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You're making this far more complicated than it is lmao. Cancer cell genetic codes are only dysfunctional because their own selfish gain destroys the whole it is a part of. The body of one human being isn't the only whole you can think of. You can consider a society or a species as a whole. This is the analogy I'm using. And it's a case of my own value judgement, I'm aware evolution itself doesn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 07:00 PM
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A cancer cell is also passing it's genes forward... up to a point. Quality over quantity I would say.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 06:48 PM
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Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell. Applies here as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 06:32 PM
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Who asked bro
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 06:30 PM
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It's crazy reading this as a man who really doesnt care that much about getting myself off. I care more about my gf getting off tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 05:57 PM
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Men are free to stop paying child support after paternity fraud and relinquish parental rights. Except they aren't? In many countries they are forced to continue paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 04:41 PM
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There is no such thing as an universally agreed upon, single objective justification for something being legal. How is your justification the "right one" that everyone should follow and those that other people have false? People aren't obligated to agree with or follow the legal definitions for certain laws either. Besides I have heard multiple arguments for abortion being used that have nothing to do with bodily autonomy and for good reasons. Most people don't really see bodily autonomy as an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 04:39 PM
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This is all true, but men of younger generations also experience something like this. We are raised with the idea that our sexuality is inherently predatory and it creates serious issues, I have had to deal with it, too. Shame sucks all around. In some minority cases it is necessary but in the vast majority of cases it fucks up people's mental health. And the worst is that often times excessive shame actually causes dangerous or harmful behaviour (for example look at how many priests end up inga…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 11:14 AM
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Except there are plenty of women out there with low n-counts who also enjoy sex with a partner they love... I don't really care about virginity but there really is nothing delusional about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 10:35 AM
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It's not really rational, it's just searching for a punching bag to subject to your personal frustrations. It's quite similar to how some rightwingers use immigrants as a punching bag.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/24 09:16 PM
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Maybe you should care? You're the one who made a whole post about other people complaining and the reasoning behind your point falls apart in every single situation where the amount of women who want men to pay is larger than the amount of men who don't want to pay and that isn't even taking into account geographical location and age. So basically this whole post boils down to, "I'm whining about others who I perceive as whining". To which "who fucking cares" applies even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:41 PM
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If theyre obsessed with quantity, then they better do what the majority of women expect. I have no idea what this means.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:30 PM
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Plenty sure. But even just 45% of them insisting the man to pay will mean there is pressure on men to pay assuming there is more than 45% wanting a relationship. How much you can disregard this pressure obviously depends on both luck and how attractive you are in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:15 PM
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This whole post assumes there is a large enough group of people to choose from so that you can always pick the kind of person you want and that fits you the best. This is mathematically impossible when it comes to this topic because most people still believe men should be the ones paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:40 PM
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