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Oh, they still got in the "men less likely to seek help" stuff, but held back from calling it TM.
/r/MensRights29/04/22 03:42 AM
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How to distinguish between healthy fitness goals and unhealthy conditions like body dysmorphia is a critical question when it comes to boys' and mens' body image dissatisfaction, especially because it may be harder to make the distinction and draw the line.
/r/MensRights29/04/22 03:23 AM
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Increasing numbers of articles on this issue, and it's about time. Another one here. Unfortunately, what they show is that we're still starting from a long way back when it comes to men's and boys' body image issues. People still assume body image is a girl problem, and even when they don't, they don't understand how it's different for boys and they lack the vocabulary to talk to boys about it.
/r/MensRights29/04/22 03:07 AM
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Yeah, I was going to say that's progress in itself.
/r/MensRights29/04/22 03:00 AM
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On the face of it, sexual harassment is not necessarily gender-based (it can occur between two people of the same sex), and this is also true of intimate partner violence and domestic violence. In many countries, policies and initiatives have taken a specifically gendered approach on the basis that disrespect for women is the primary cause of harassment and violence against women. Apart from making male victims / survivors even more invisible than they already were, this dogged, one-prong approa…
/r/MensRights28/04/22 10:43 PM
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I'm not going to let them off the hook completely, either. I'm just more interested now in looking at the other reasons why men's issues don't get up.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 10:18 PM
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I did a short reply to you initially, because you had one comment in your history and I assumed you were another drive-by commenter. But, as you are a male feminist, I'd be interested in your perspective on why men's issues have such a hard time getting recognised and addressed today. For now, I want to put aside the influence of feminism itself. You'll find plenty of people on this sub eager to make the case that nothing happens for men because feminists suck all the oxygen and funding out of t…
/r/MensRights28/04/22 10:05 PM
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In that case, referring back to your original comment, why is it good?
/r/MensRights28/04/22 09:54 PM
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Just be aware these days you can't just start a social service like that. That was 50 years ago. Today there's all sorts of insurance, government regulation, etc. Not saying this to pooh-pooh, just to add some context.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 04:16 AM
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It seems anytime men who have been exploited by other men see those men then blame feminists, the men doing the exploiting win. One of the reasons why tradcons and crony capitalists have no problem talking like they care about men's issues while, sadly, the Left runs the other way from them.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 02:53 AM
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It is a particularly vulnerable part of male anatomy, with injuries from jokes and pranks sometimes resulting in infertility. What's not funny about that? /s Seriously, though, it's just another example of how traditional male and female gender roles and expectations differ. Men protect and women are protected. Who cares if one of the protectors is made infertile? Someone else can do that job.
/r/MensRights28/04/22 02:47 AM
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Who exactly is the Mens Rights Activists (TM) they're talking about here? Is it some specific high-profile vloggers or websites? Is it the diverse commenters on this sub?
/r/MensRights27/04/22 11:44 PM
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In Australia, it always comes back to the one main issue that's been driving all sorts of gendered policies and initiatives in this country for the last couple of decades: violence against women. Feminists have tapped into a golden seam of male chivalry with this one issue. Big, corrupt charities. One-sided domestic violence policies. Mandatory school programs. You can see it's influence in this article too, in the same quote that outrageously demands YouTube reprogram their systems to promote f…
/r/MensRights27/04/22 11:13 PM
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What's good? The lurch towards authoritarian control of media? From the article: “We need to urgently put in place regulation that forces social media platforms to be transparent about the risks of their algorithms and redesign how they promote content so that they align with the feminist futures we want to create.”
/r/MensRights27/04/22 11:02 PM
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That's awesome. I'm totally able to see how this could be a real body image issue for a lot of men, and also easy for men who are tall or average height to completely miss. How would you say that height insecurity is linked to our expectations for men? My partner and I were watching Shrek the other day and the height jokes in that haven't dated well.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 01:30 AM
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This isn't as simple as one gender being "the problem". I fully support a safe, convenient, ongoing and non-surgical option for men to be able to own and control their own contraception. Even if it did exist, though, it wouldn't eliminate situations where men and women are relying on trust that the other person is taking responsibility. Until we have artificial wombs, that means you're still going to have a situation where women must primarily deal with the physical reality of pregnancy.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 12:38 AM
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Look, that's fine, but maybe you need to lead with your message. Like I said, I think those are all solid issues for men to talk about and do better with, and I'm happy to talk about them more.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 12:27 AM
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Those all sound like valid issues to be aware of, to me. I really don't see how a vague snarl word like "toxic" is helpful in convincing men to support other men in these ways, though.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 11:56 PM
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Or, men should be having our own conversation about our own role in society's system, and how challenging it would benefit and heal ourselves as well as women. If men just "tell other men not to be toxic", that's just setting up new rules, new expectations without actually liberating men. It's falling into chivalry again: "gotta protect tha womens"
/r/MensRights26/04/22 11:17 PM
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A big criticism here was that it was just for rich people to virtue signal that they care about violence against women. A lot of corporates in suits making speeches. I'm not sure if it's the same in NZ, but here pretty much all official initiatives for domestic and intimate partner violence (from education right up to services) take an uncritically gendered view - that domestic violence stems from men's view of women. Regardless of whether that is actually a factor, the complete adherance to thi…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 10:53 PM
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Yeah, it went into liquidation in 2019. It had critics from all sides - many believed it was ineffectual.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 10:33 PM
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White Ribbon is the "perfect" synergy of toxic chivalry and feminism. Not surprisingly, in Australia, it's had all sorts of corruption issues.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 10:13 PM
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My main problem with it is that it is incomplete. Most of us understand that we're living with the legacy of a system that allocated societal roles by gender. Men had to do and be x, women had to do and be y. Where patriarchy fails is that it describes that system from one viewpoint only. It literally names a characteristic structure of authority and power positions occupied by men. This made it very useful for women's movements with the goal of more power and self-determination for women. But i…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 10:11 PM
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Good luck. In my experience, some feminists use the Google definition, others basically use it as a synonym for our legacy system of gender norms and expectations that affect men and women, while others will tell you you need to read a dozen feminist books before you can begin to understand it.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 09:47 PM
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We agree that things do not happen in a vacuum. But this is really besides my point. The point im making is that this is inherently the case because we made groups that had nothing to do with the problem at hand. I need to go to bed so this will be my last reply. Thanks for a good discussion though. I already made the point that psychology and counselling, historically, can be argued to have catered better to women. And I'm not talking about feminist influence. I'm saying all the way to the begi…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 11:21 AM
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I'm not saying that things being bad for men are solely traced towards the introduction of policies addressing 'women's' issues. But that doesn't mean that the introduction of these policies often did not came at the cost of men suffering from similar 'women's' issues. OK, well we agree. I also don't think that introducing policies for women has had no negative effects on men. It seems there's space to move and help in both directions. How long has domestic violence been gendered by now? Ah, now…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 10:49 AM
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not everyone inside of this group is going to need this help. Of course. No approach is perfect. I already conceded that. We shouldn't gender these problems because it isn't an inherent problem of gender. These boys and men killing themselves aren't doing so because they are men but rather because of countless other problems that are often very personal. It seems like your issue is with me using the word "gendered". It does not have to imply any inherent problem with men. It can just mean that w…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 10:13 AM
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However, the abscence of such policies for men and boys is not an accident. It is by design. It was intentionally set up this way. I'm going to say that a lot of this is good old fashioned chivalry. Male disposability. I'm allowed to use those concepts right? And when "girrl power" policies came along, guess why everyone went along with it? Why were both men and women perfectly comfortable seeing women as the only victims and men as "doing just fine". Chivalry. Male disposability. Was it disinge…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 09:11 AM
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Let me take male suicide as an example (which is typically 3-4 times the rate of female in developed countries) Suicide rates have gone up and down for different groups throughout history, sometimes even for reasons that seem counterintuitive, but the current disparity is clearly a gendered disparity. Recognising that is not a bad thing. Ignoring it, I think, is. We can argue that mental health services have been geared towards being better suited to women for some time, even psychology as far b…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 09:02 AM
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Sure, except I don't think the "girrl power" policies are the primary direct cause, but rather the absence of policies tailored to supporting boys and men. Those would have been left until things got to this point regardless of whether or not there were policies for women and girls happening.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 08:10 AM
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As far as I can tell, all four of those example issues listed there are the same or even more pronounced in most developed, Western nations; Australia, Canada, UK, etc.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 07:40 AM
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Not being in the USA, I'm curious what you see this modern equivalent as. Here in Australia, the overwhelming bulk of advertising directed to men during sports is for online gambling apps. And they know how to do it too.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 07:22 AM
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This may be true, but it still wouldn't solve the trust problem. Let's say that male birth control was invented 50 years ago and in our time it was as simple and cheap as taking a vitamin every morning and was completely common for men to do. A few things would have happened: Unwanted and unintended births would now be lower, not eliminated. (This would actually have had a big effect on demographics and population. In the US, unwanted and unintended pregnancies make up a significant proportion o…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 06:33 AM
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So... a hermaphrodite?
/r/MensRights26/04/22 04:17 AM
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Relatively hands-off moderation means a lot of "outrage" posts get up here, including ones that turn out to be confusing or false alarms.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 02:43 AM
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Imagine being so eager to overcorrect gender stereotypes that you literally think there's something wrong when your kid likes tractors. What is wrong with people?
/r/MensRights26/04/22 01:53 AM
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This feels like some Cat Stevens Father and Son stuff right here. A tale as old as time.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 01:14 AM
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I think what's got people's backs up is that this weird piece does superficially resemble memes that some feminists have produced, which basically amount to a new form of policing masculinity. The potential link for a Christian conservative message is the use of the word conforming, which is part of a popular verse from scripture often used in youth groups, "do not be conformed to this world...". This would mean it is challenging/encouraging young Christian men to not conform to the use of porn,…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 01:04 AM
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My main problem with it is how abstract it is. All this talk of "fighting the patriarchy" or "the patriarchy hurts men too" makes people suspicious of where the detail is. What is really actionable, when the rubber hits the road? Social movements need specific, defineable goals. eg. Government funded parental leave for dads has the potential to create social change so that men are seen as equal co-parents. eg. Military drafts being made gender-neutral. (They're not going away.) eg. Official mini…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 12:32 AM
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one that we must go back to or risk a societal collapse The way I see it, we probably won't go back, but we'll lurch into revised standards for behaviour of both genders, with a lot of grinding gears along the way. Gender is not going away, though. I think people 100 years from now will look back on this as a time of flux, and wonder what all the fuss was about. What they have won't look exactly like the traditional gender roles of the 50s, but it also won't look like the chaos we have now.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 12:14 AM
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Yeah, male gender expectations probably play some role too (eg. Did being male mean that he felt the need to downplay his pain and protect his family from his suffering?), but slapping the "TM" label on it is a conversation stopper and I think has the effect of cutting off discussion of systemic solutions.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 11:59 PM
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I think you've hit on the main issue. This is just a really bizarre and hamfisted meme, and apparently not even attributable to any feminist. It could have a Christian conservative source, but that also seems weird and off-base for other reasons.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 11:26 PM
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Thanks. the people that said the felt the worst were white women, and the people that actually killed themselves the most were immigrant men under 45. those same men also said they felt the best out of the surveyed groups. Looking at this from a system point of view, I think this is in line with other research about male suicide - that it seems to happen more suddenly and that there is often less formal diagnosis of depression. The mistake often made here is to individualise the problem and say …
/r/MensRights25/04/22 11:14 PM
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Would you mind doing a brief outline that summarises the points in the video? It's 18 mins long.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 10:49 PM
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As someone who spent a lot of my young adulthood yearning for authentic male initiation and reading about what consistitutes "being a man", I've been bitterly disappointed. My conclusion is that all that stuff is not compatible with an individualistic society. I fully agree that we should teach boys virtue, about how their gender means the world will expect them to behave in certain ways, and about how their biology wires them (on average) for finding their wellbeing with certain strategies. As …
/r/MensRights25/04/22 10:45 PM
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Sure, I'm not disagreeing with you on that - if it was a feminist who made this, they were super confused and tying in a whole lot of hobby horses (porn, bdsm, etc.) I'm just saying that conservative Christian men are often suspicious of anything to do with not conforming to their gender, so it seems like a dumb approach if they are the target.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 10:38 PM
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Just want to say I found this conversation one of the best I've read on this sub, particularly this last comment but the contributions from both of you.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 10:31 PM
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The meme reads more like Christian propaganda being glib with gender identity than something a feminist would say. You're right - it really is bizarre, though, because a presumed target audience of conservative Christians would probably balk at the "gender non-conforming" thing anyway. The origin of this thing is really a mystery.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 10:27 PM
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All this "divine masculine" stuff came from a time when societies were far more collectivist. Kind of like how dogs only see two colours, it was simplest and easier for control to assign people roles and characteristics by their junk. Maybe there's some deep spiritual truth about gender, but the reality is that many cultures used a whole lot of spiritual mumbo jumbo in order to hide the fact that the core purpose of their "initiation rituals" was to train boys - willing or not - to be the next s…
/r/MensRights25/04/22 10:15 PM
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Being male is something youre born into, but being a man is something you choose to be. I get that you're trying to say that society has rules for a reason, and that complaining about things is unproductive, but I firmly believe the above way of talking about manhood is harmful. Being a man isn't some club that has members and non-members. If you're born as male and you reach physical maturity, you're a man. End of story. The only questions are whether you will be a good man, a mature man, a kin…
/r/MensRights25/04/22 10:08 PM
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