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It’s a generalization because it’s not well documented. There aren’t any studies supporting that claim
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:49 PM
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A lot of men do portray the idea of getting married as something bad for him because he won’t be able to sleep around anymore well a lot of men do portray the idea of getting married as something good for him because he gains a wife and children, both of which he loves and wants to share a good life with. Yes but it was like a love hate thing. do you think any media portrayed genuine love between a husband and wife Family mostly, friends sometimes and the broader society. why? you said men thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:52 PM
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Media does influence peoples ideas and perceptions about their culture and society. yes it does but using media to suggest that most of society acted a certain way is inaccurate. Yes there are a lot of dumb jokes about oh my wife wont let me have a man cave that doesn't reflect men's overall stance toward their wives. The media portrayals are evidence of the sentiment by the way. do you think there are any media portrayals of men who loved their wives during that same time period? WellI didn’t s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:43 PM
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See the media portrayal of men and marriage throughout the 80s and 90s. media is not a 1:1 reflection of human behavior. Terrible source. Also just culturally marriage traditionally was seen as something that women were “obsessed” with and wanted, and that men entered into begrudgingly. do you have any evidence of this? men are the vast majority of the people proposing and paying for the marriage process. they wouldn't do it if they didn't want to right? Well porn isn’t sex and prostitution rein…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:56 PM
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What makes you think these are mens desires? What is the source of this? Regardless cant a man want his wife to do some of those things (obviosuly not feeding his ego) and want to do things for her because of love? If so, why do you believe it is control over love. If not, why do you not believe in love?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:36 PM
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how did men take it for granted? But remember before this era wives and children were considered a “ball and chain” What makes you think this? They still don’t really value “family.” They just wanna have sex. Why are prostitution and porn not enough to keep them satisfied? just look up how many men still think that a stay at home wife “doesn’t work”, and “isn’t doing anything” https://yougov.com/en-us/articles/35457-stay-at-home-parenting-job-work-poll Is this what you're referring to? Haven't f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:52 PM
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which part of this link are you supporting
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:36 PM
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"Might be" is not what the post was describing. that is not a fair question. Telling a man that he has no hope of ever finding love or continuing his bloodline is akin to telling someone they have a terminal cancer diagnosis. this is not a "maybe" or "might be".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:35 PM
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do you think an adopting a child establishes the same connection as birthing one?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:32 PM
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for the vast majority of people family relationships are going to be the ones you want and who end up taking care of you when you're dying. Mortality is a big thing for most of us so we want certain people around us when its time. Again its not just being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:31 PM
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they want to interact with their kids of course
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:28 PM
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How many neets are in your country? whats the source on that? whats the average education attainment of males in your country? whats the source on that? It's impossible for me to offer you a citable study about the number of people who are nice to their mothers. I know and I don't expect you to but maybe we shouldn't say a lot of young men are doing x if we simply believe it based on a handful of people we talk to and online influencers
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:28 PM
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yes you can. those connections are different right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:24 PM
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A prostitute will sleep with you, not give you a child? Not sure where prostitution fits in here yes If family is so important to these men, why don’t we see many of them adopting a child to continue their legacy instead? you said this. If access to women was so important why don't we see many of them getting a prostitute. How do you propose it’s “meaningfully” different? Truly sad that you won't admit this obvious truth. just because it’s not your blood? yes. the physical process involved in ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:24 PM
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do you have any evidence of these claims? I'm sure there are young men without prospects living at home. I'm sure some of them treat their family in the way you described above. but you were fairly confident that A LOT of young men act that way and you don't seem to have any evidence to support that estimate
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:18 PM
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yeah it can be solved without forcing people. People with successful/happy families can promote their own lives in their communities. I don't think the government can do that kind of thing or at least I wouldn't want it to. All the government should do is make the circumstances viable. Can the lonely people be content with adoption/surrogacy and robot partner, once they are made more human-looking? I don't think so. thats fake so its meaningless to most people
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:15 PM
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A lot of these young men who are "so desperate" for a family either barely speak to their current family or treat them like shit. what led you to this conclusion? They never go out of their way to help their grandparents or siblings, they never take on significant amounts of the housework, they never pay a market rate for rent, a lot of them don't even make meals for their family. what led you to this conclusion? If a man behaves that way, yeah I don't think he really wants a family of his own b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:11 PM
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so no evidence for your claim. please stop being so snarky
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:08 PM
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okay but you can '"access" a woman without family. Prostitution is largely illegal but still easy to get away with. Adopting a child is meaningfully different than having your own child and raising a kid alone is tough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:08 PM
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depends on what you mean by solved. You're talking about the lack of hope of getting married and having kids right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:05 PM
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its not simply being single its dying alone. You're underselling it while complaining about someone overselling it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:00 PM
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who wants to take womens rights away?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:59 AM
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Its not about access to women its about access to family. Does family mean anything to you? Women are denied access to healthcare, education, and bodily autonomy This isn't true but if you really believe it just go vote. There is a direct mechanism to address that 'problem'
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:58 AM
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If you grow up in a small town and marry the 1st or 2nd girl you date, you have stopped short. If no answer is fool proof why do you say this hypothetical person stopped short so confidently? If you travel around, and visit many different places. Expose yourself to many people and opportunities, you will have Gone Long. You are more worldly. You know more, but the more you know, the more you know you don't know. You impress others when you meet them, they find you mysterious and interesting. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 01:47 AM
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think you responded to the wrong person
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:57 PM
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I get that's your argument but there's never really a way to know given that you could go on a date at every opportunity for 10 years and wouldn't even crack 10% of the dating pool right. You can't have certainty about "the one"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:56 PM
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How would anyone know that they know enough to know what "the one" is?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:41 PM
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Settling down early can work for some, but it usually comes at the cost of understanding what’s actually out there, and who you are within it Given the size of the world and the dating 'markets' that people exist in, does having twenty partners before settling down versus just one really make a dent in knowing what's out there?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:40 PM
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no one is taking issue with the wording just the backpedaling instead of admitting your wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:37 PM
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I don't think you're being honest. You wouldn't put forward numbers as an answer if you didn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:36 PM
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I can disprove both your claims I just wanted you to acknowledge the pivot before we went there. Seems like you chose snark over humility. Have a good day bro
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:12 PM
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which numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:44 PM
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You said "Men also tend to go for certain types of women over others. Just as I could bring up women who are into things that aren't typical" implying that men and women have a similar range of preferences. When someone contested that you retreated to a weaker position: "very excited to see the study that shows there are equal numbers of men attracted to every different type of woman". You're other claim is vulnerable so you just take an argument you think you can defend that not all men have th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:43 PM
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no have a good day man you don't seem capable of conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:22 PM
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Now when he tries to approach any other girl in the same circle, she knows that he was previously rejected by her friend. This drastically reduces chances and gives him bad reputation. He will be considered creep and desperate even if he approaches politely and takes rejection gracefully. Isn't the fact that the women are his second choices also relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:18 PM
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what led you to that conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:14 PM
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that wasn't the claim why are you retreating to a weaker position? I think its because you're too prideful to admit you were wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:13 PM
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Those two observations aren't contradictory. You are simply picking your preferred conclusion and working backward
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:12 PM
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If I knew someone who might be attracted to her yes why not
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:42 AM
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I understand thats your assertion but the guy above didn't explain why. he's just working backward from his preferred conclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:30 PM
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it wasn't forced on anybody. They both consented to the sex
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 08:51 AM
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so why does he lose control? its still his kid. Why are there different standards for control and responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 08:37 AM
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I disagree with OP but why doesn't he also give up responsibility then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 08:31 AM
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why do women need to be promiscuous simply because they prefer to pursue a 'top 10%' man? one can do that while only committing to one man
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:35 PM
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you claim liberal women are hypocritical because of their selective preference for the free market formula. You don't always prefer the free market formula so I'm just curious why your selection is okay
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:26 PM
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Is that hypocritical on your end? why the difference
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:05 PM
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What do you mean exactly and why are you applying my argument only to PC answers I'm happy to answer if you have a more specific question. No offense but I think I've been pretty clear. I'm just using PC as a shorthand for lying because I thought we were both assuming these are not intentionally malicious lies Personally I would not consider you "successful" in this "avoid confrontation style", if the person you are talking to is aware that you lie and confronts you on that. You're talking about…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 01:53 PM
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But to have that happen repeatedly and consistently without you doing anything to make it happen is highly unlikely Why do you think so? I disagree. Many people are willing to let the perceived slight of a PC answer go. You are talking about what happens after though that's a different argument. No it is not. The reaction is part of the argument. If nothing that happens after the statement is considered none of this matters. Lying and telling the truth only require the ability to speak then. No …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:27 PM
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yes I think the vast majority will be too scared to approach them romantically if they had the opportunity. I'm not saying they wouldn't go ask for an autograph or picture (although many would be scared to do that) but thats a different question
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:19 PM
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Many men and women choose not to approach because of fear of rejection not because they don't desire the other but I think I agree with you on the other points
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 11:48 AM
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But to lie in order to avoid a certain reaction you must realise and know that this certain reaction is about to happen. No you do not. You can simply think it will without truly knowing. Someone might be really ignorant and still come to the 'correct' conclusion. So if Op claims that women lie to avoid something he must recognise that women possess the skill of anticipating that a negative reaction would be the result of the truth. not true for the same reason. A successful lie also requires th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 11:25 AM
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See a difference in what? I understand that those two sentences are different claims. I'm only stating that you have not explained why your interpretation is true. You just chose a framing that shows women as more skilled than men. I could just say that being honest and anticipating and reacting to a negative response requires more skill than lying to avoid the negative response in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:52 AM
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I agree but that wasn't the point. You stated that men being more honest on dating apps is bollocks. The other commenter wasn't sure how you came to that conclusion because so many men don't get any matches at all. You are supposed to explain how you can know men are lying on their profile if nobody's interacting with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:47 AM
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I'm sure that's true but that has nothing to do with men who don't get any swipes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:39 AM
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you have no experience with them though they don't get any swipes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:37 AM
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It's hard to say who has better social skills. I think social skills largely depend on the context of the interaction and even the characteristics of the person being judged.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:36 AM
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How is your point any different from the argument that women don't say what they think because they lack the skill of anticipating and reacting to how someone will take bad news?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:33 AM
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How do you know they're lying then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:30 AM
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Maybe you’re not familiar with American stores but over here you can pick the flowers you want
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 09:42 AM
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You could argue that it's not enough effort but there is nothing more personal about picking wild flowers. Good for you though nothing wrong with liking wild flowers
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:57 PM
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well if thats what she wants why are you concerned about advice? No need to engage with the person talking about flowers
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:05 PM
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I didn't know that was the main goal. I think thats an immoral goal but if what you want is sex what does she get out of it? If she just wants sex too then flowers means nothing to either party
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:36 PM
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I think he was just using hyperbole to emphasize women being approached for dating much more often than men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:29 PM
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What's wrong with buying flowers?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:28 PM
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most looksmaxxers are men
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 04:10 PM
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statistically you are extremely unlikely to get assaulted by your partner. you’re more likely to get assaulted by your partner than your partner having to protect you from someone else. this is not true. You cannot measure protection
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 03:30 PM
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no it doesn't because the vast majority of men don't abuse or kill their partners. We literally just agreed to that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 03:09 PM
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It’s still a very low risk but why is that ridiculous? It makes perfect sense to me given the proximity and time spent.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:53 PM
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the vast majority of women are not abused or killed by their partners
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:29 PM
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The answer why is clear: all men think about is looks and what benefits them. What makes you think this? What, if anything, do women think about that doesn't benefit them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:11 PM
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Why would you assume the babysitter is a woman? My parents aren't gay. I have a mom and a dad. My dad is a man. I'm not wealthy enough to just retire and raise a kid when the mom decides to leave for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:04 PM
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Which data are you looking at?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:50 PM
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In addition to doing most of the housework, women are also in charge of managing, planning, and organizing these tasks (Mannino and Deutsch 2007). Fuwa and Cohen’s results (2007) showed that American women reported performing an average of 13.2 hr of household labor per week, compared to 6.6 hr per week for their spouses. link The methodology for Mannino is questionable. They selected specifically for parents of 3-4 year olds and didn't talk to the husbands. We used town hall birth records of a …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:41 PM
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are you going to cook the dinner? yes Get the child ready to eat, despite her or him being a picky baby/toddler. Are we assuming the child is pickier than the average baby/toddler? regardless the answer is yes Are you going to come home after a long day at work and play with them, talk to them yes. I love my job so I wouldn't be too drained to take care of the kid. Bathe and shower them every single day bathe yes. Not going to shower my kid when theyre a infant/toddler. Then put them to sleep ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:21 PM
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what counts as the majority? I'm home outside of work and commute and I don't work weekends 40 hour-ish work week with maybe 10 more for commute/lunch Is still way under 168 hours in a week. I also have time off over the year so even further under half the time is spent at work
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:59 PM
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You don't plan on marriage or any long term relationship? no offense if thats too personal
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:37 PM
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So, you can afford all of that? yes And your mom wouldn't mind Both my mom and dad would love it how long is your mom going to be alive for? few more decades at least And what if you didn't have good family or family who you'd trust to help? then it would be more difficult but still not difficult overall would you let others raise your kids, your mom and dad and a stranger (nanny) and be ok with being an absentee father I don't think a nanny or my parents watching my kid while I'm at work makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:36 PM
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fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:33 PM
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would you be ok with raising the child alone (of course given her child support if it is applicable) yes And how would your current life change if you took on this responsibility? hire a babysitter or move back home with parents. So not difficult
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:25 PM
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why
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:23 PM
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why
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:23 PM
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what setting do you work in just curious?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:22 PM
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Can you provide evidence of this? but again that doesn't mean the woman is the primary caregiver. If we are talking about an infant/toddler its safe to assume that someone is watching the child during the 40 hour work week.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:58 PM
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If both are working during the day they should split the chores equally. Aside from something a wo/man can’t do like breast feeding or maybe moving a really heavy crib. Try hats perfectly possible. Failure to do so is not inherent to being a mom. Again these issues should be discussed before marriage and having a child. Why does not working mean the woman doesn’t have personal savings? Are you talking about out a woman who has not worked a day in their life even before they met their husband? Re…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:16 PM
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People dying on their last dollars
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:25 PM
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If both are working full time someone else is probably the primary caregiver right? Yes it goes the same for men. If something’s enjoyable it’s not effort? We just define those terms differently then fair enough. Men are blamed just as much as women for their children’s wrongdoing Many of your views of men’s behavior are terribly skewed. I’m guessing you dont have any empirical evidence to support your claim (not a shot that’s kinda reasonable for the subject) so u don’t know how to disabuse you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:24 PM
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Are you ever asked anything else? I’ve seen mothers go out and not be asked this question. I’ve talked to mothers and not asked them this question. I’ve seen men asked these questions. I’ve asked men these questions. I’ve seen it happen to my dad
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:19 PM
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Believe what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:16 PM
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I’m not denying that mothers often do a lot for their children. I agree with that sentiment. My own mother did a lot for me. I’m just saying she and many other moms still made time for hobbies
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:13 PM
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Can you provide some evidence of that claim? What is major to you? Can you define severely? Not meaning to bombard with questions I just think it’s important to know before I fully respond
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:55 PM
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Which part do you think that question was directed toward? Regardless I agree that funding retirement is way easier with no kids but it’s still fairly attainable with kids right? It’s not as if past generations who didn’t live as long were dying on their last dollar
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:38 PM
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Domestic labor, especially when it’s repetitive and invisible How is it invisible? Mother's day is bigger than Father's day for a reason right? Who or what is not acknowledging a mother's work so that it becomes invisible? some women value their families name too and would like to be the ones also participating in it's continuation Why not settle that when they get married then? That's not a problem inherent to being a mom. They can simply talk to their potential spouse/boyfriend about it. I per…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:25 PM
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i didn't call truth a terrible argument. No offense but I think you misunderstood the statement. I was just saying that you should be able to explain why something is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:17 PM
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Can you show these reports? The women in my life say different than you do. I'm just asking for you to substantiate your claim. That's not a deflection or playing stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:06 PM
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can you show me these reports? Or is it just a large group of anecdotal experience? That would be fine its just that my anecdotes suggest the opposite It's like when you ask a person straightforward does he think that women should be able to take leading roles and he will say yes, and he will think that he is egalitarian. But in real life he will display bias towards women, and unknowingly will think of them as illogical and emotional. Do you think there are any men who are truly egalitarian?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:05 PM
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I believe so because historically it is so. its true because it is true is a terrible argument and its true because it used to be is even worse. Most men thought that bringing their salary home is enough. Most men didn't know their child's teacher. Most men "babysit" only occasionally. They didn't do laundry, cooking and cleaning. Most men were "fun dads" that played with a kid on some weekends and that's it, leaving parenting to moms. A lot of men became deadbeat dads compared to women. I disag…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:03 PM
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how do you know how people see them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:59 AM
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why would she prioritize those things? Like if shes married and a husband is willing to work more to provide for her to stay at home why would financial independence matter? Why would she prioritize a last name? Why would she prioritize her career? I'm sure many women do but the post speaks for women broadly ("as a woman") so it seems there should be answers for these questions
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:59 AM
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Should we believe most dads are bad? if so why?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:45 AM
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how do you know that? How do you know how people see them? You just responded to a person who claims to see moms as people with hobbies
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:44 AM
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No offense, none taken After childbirth a woman is drowned in childcare, and it's all about a baby, people see her as mom, they see her as caregiver. I disagree. My personal experience with my own mother and other women I know who have had children recently suggests this is not true. Mothers still make time for their hobbies though some more physically involved activities might be substantially more difficult for them soon after pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:43 AM
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why respond to me if you don't care to debate? have a good day man
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:40 AM
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Being the primary caregiver is a negative because it means the man isn’t doing his equal share and the women is burdened with all the shitty tasks of parenting. If the man is working while the woman stays at home how can he do just as much childcare as she does? Its just not possible. Why are all the bad tasks for the woman? A man can change diapers or get groceries. Some women want a sense of identity, not for their whole purpose to just be being a mom. The whole purpose is not being a mom. She…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:40 AM
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Why is it not desirable
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:17 AM
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Expected to be the primary caregiver Why is this a negative? no longer just you, but a mom; you are a mom, not sure this needs to be separated less time spent on self-care, hobbies, and hanging out with friends Why doesn't this apply to men as well? Why is it bad if its replaced with spending time with your child? Negative career impacts if you choose to be a stay-at-home mom Why is this a negative? Financially draining based on your description of the situation wouldn't this fall more heavily o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:07 AM
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I agree but I have evidence of the first thought. It appears you have no evidence or even logical reasoning behind the second
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:20 AM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:36 AM
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Do you understand what a question is? I never said you said all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:34 AM
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I never said you said all women. So if you can’t explain why they convert you can’t be sure that some women don’t want these types of relationships based on their independent genuine beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:26 AM
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Are you just exaggerating or do you genuinely believe those things are true for all women. Yes I agree that very few women convert as adults. Do you have an explanation for those cases? Respectfully, it doesn’t really convey a consistent belief if you have no answer for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:12 AM
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Do you believe that woman can want to stay at home and have big families? How would you explain why women participate in these types of relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:56 AM
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sure but what does that have to do with the post? He's making an argument about what people should do not how things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:54 AM
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why is it worse than the alternative? Why do people believe the alternative? Is it because they were raised to think thats how things should be? How do you explain the women who don't "come to their senses"? How do you explain the women who convert as adults?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:52 AM
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I don’t think that’s an accurate description of the post but why do you think religious women participate in these types of relationships then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:40 AM
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You are essentially saying you think its true because its true. Respectfully, it seems more that you just want to believe this post. You are not making an honest evaluation of the world around you. Why would you ask me that? I don't think that. I think most men are attracted to women around the same age.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:54 AM
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nope. I'm questioning how you know. What makes you believe that is true for most men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:37 AM
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Lets face it, most men ARE more physically attracted to young, fertile women regardless of how old they get. How do you know this? To deny that modern men are vastly different to their prehistoric ancestors in their preferences for younger women would be unscientific Why? I'm assuming we agree that many more men marry a woman closer to their age and grow with that woman as opposed to dating and breaking up with a continual string of young women. What evidence do you have that most men would pref…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:03 AM
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No one is contesting that you can do that. Please humble yourself and move on
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:12 PM
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she deliberately avoided the question. She shouldn't be upset by someone speaking for her
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:38 AM
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lol based cringe
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:37 AM
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will you tell me the reason
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:30 AM
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Is there a reason you didn't answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:20 AM
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What do you mean when you say fair? There are multiple relevant definitions
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:36 AM
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Can I ask why you chose the passport bro method? No offense just curious especially as a blue-ish flair
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:00 AM
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it is a risk that is involved in dating. I am not claiming that it is a risk unique to dating. Women sometimes invite men into their homes to fix the plumbing. Does that mean rape is not a risk of dating for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:40 AM
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men are significantly more likely to be victims of violent crime. Do we agree on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:37 AM
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I'm not angry at all. I'm gonna be busy for the next 12 hours but I didn't miss this comment
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 10:29 AM
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Your broader point is that… Men face more chances of danger outside of their romantic partners? no In other words, women have much more to watch out for when it comes to dating specifically Name one dating scenario where women face more danger than men. Out of all the possible dating scenarios who is generally in more danger? If anything, you bringing up non-dating related issues is more of a “pointless statement” than anything else in my opinion. no offense meant by pointless I was just emphasi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 10:16 AM
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But the danger that men face doesn’t come from our romantic partners themselves typically. agreed but why is this relevant? For women it can and often does tho. What do you mean by often? So women realize that they have to be careful in order to avoid accidentally drinking “swamp water” and possibly dying from it. Understand? I understand I just don't get why you can't see the broader point that, respectfully, I think makes your statement pointless. In all those scenarios where the woman is thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 10:01 AM
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men are not expected to go on dates? live in homes that might be robbed? Men are at greater odds of danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:56 AM
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Out of the billions of men who've walked the earth, how many do you think you've interacted with? Songs, movies, TV shows sexualizing women? Songs, movies, and TV shows sexualize men as well. Would you like me to link you some? Cat calling in the street, groping that goes unpunished? Women cat call and grope unpunished as well. Would you like me to link you to some evidence? Family members saying “wow you’ve grown/matured/look like an adult!” as a CHILD, referring to your tits and ass? Women say…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:55 AM
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I agree that men don't face as much danger from their counterparts in basically every single straight relationship. The point is that even while dating that woman, the man will face more danger. If they are out on a date, if they live together, if they are driving, in all those scenarios and most others, men are in more danger than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:27 AM
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even when dating men face more danger than women. When out on a date or if they're at the point where they live together men are more likely to face violence at home than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:38 AM
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Why is the gender of the person committing the violence relevant? Men face more violence in almost every setting
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:32 AM
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The fact that other men are doing it to them does not change how safe the average man feels. I personally don’t care if someone who mugs me is a man or woman I just don’t want to be mugged. Men are the majority of the victims. They have more reason to be concerned about violence. What makes you think men generally view women that way? What informs your conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:22 AM
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But if men face more danger why should the comparison matter? What does the comparison add?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:20 AM
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Why the snark?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:01 AM
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Men are much more likely to be victims of violent crime than women. Regardless, I do not believe men generally view dating as an opportunity for sex. I believe this because of the men I know personally, a couple inferences from polls on young people’s relationships, and forums like these directed at men. Why do you believe men view dating primarily as an opportunity for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 07:58 AM
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Men actually have more dangers. Are you talking specifically about the romantic relationship context?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 07:53 AM
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I'm not even asking about proof I'm just curious what informs your view on men generally. Like my view on men's standard is largely informed by the people I know and because of that it skews conservative and Christian. I try to think about that when factoring in men's opinions that I see online. I haven't dated much in my life and I don't know that many women closely, at least outside of family, so I don't talk about these types of things with women at least half as much with men. Most of the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 11:00 AM
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What informs your view on men's standards and how men view standards generally? Is it this sub? Men in your personal life? Respectfully, I'm asking because I think you've got them wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 10:29 AM
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you're just ranting. You can't or won't engage with my comments. It's hard to believe you're a real person no offense
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:17 PM
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I think you're wrong but lets assume you're right. That doesn't mean that men don't or shouldn't desire sexual attraction at all
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:09 PM
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Responding to the whole complaint that “Women care about sexual/physical attraction above all else”. If that’s a legitimate grievance, it’s the current year. Why do you think this is the complaint? I don't think it is. I think when men complain about women's sexual attraction its usually that they think its too concentrated on a small percentage of men or that women are not up front about it. I don't think men are complaining about the fact that it is considered more important than other factors…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:16 PM
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What makes you think men in general have that belief or desire? Do you think that about men in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:59 PM
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How do you think men have done that? Do you think the men that have built society have catered solely to the whims of women in doing so?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:58 PM
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No I do not think they are complicit. I think they should interfere if its not just like the kid getting spanked but that doesn't mean they support it if they choose not to. There are other reasons why a person would choose not to interfere.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:56 PM
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How do you know they are supporters if they are silent? What does support mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:43 PM
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thats fair enough. I don't see men criticizing generalization of women as much as I seem them criticizing generalization of men, although that goes both ways. Regardless, I don't think that means that men are more likely to engage in this conflicting opinions. How can we know that the same men are the ones leaving the conflicting comments on this sub? Its like the goomba fallacy meme
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:33 PM
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Can you link me to three male users displaying these contradictions?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:26 PM
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what makes you think the same men hold all these conflicting opinions? The only time I've ever seen any of these is the loyalty contradiction amongst like certain youtubers and entertainers who consider themselves redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:22 PM
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where does the "not feeling able to speak out" come from? Isn't submission a choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:16 AM
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how would that mean that men are attracted to women that look like a male version of themselves? Couldn't it be true that outward appearance matters more to men or women but that they are not attracted to their opposite sex equivalent? Like what if Men just tended to prefer women with certain hairstyles that just dont translate for female to male comparisons? I don't think bald men prefer women who are bald or even just have shorter hair generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:42 AM
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No offense, but what makes you think other men share your attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:18 AM
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What makes you think thats how they see their dads treat their wives? Which people on social media are constantly talking about how women are beneath men? Who is excusing men's actions as boys being boys? I'm not denying that the things you mentioned ever happened but what makes you think they are so prevalent that they influence at least a substantial portion of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 08:13 AM
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what makes you think men are taught that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 07:00 AM
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I'm assuming you believe parents are the ones pushing women down that path? I'm just curious what makes you think that. I was raised in a Christian household so maybe my experience isn't the most universal but even in the middle/upper-middle class communities I grew up in, there never seemed to be a push for financial stability above everything else or that a woman's needs should come second to peace and keeping a man happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 07:00 AM
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Why what no offense?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:02 PM
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you did imply that how? "Do you think someone could reasonably interpret your post as making certain claims about some men and certain claims about all men or men more broadly than "some" is generally interpreted to suggest?" - Yes. I do think that they could, but they didn't. Wait if you think this is a reasonable potential interpretation, why do you think my first comment towards you was implying that you were talking about all men instead of implying this reasonable potential interpretation?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:56 AM
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Okay then please chill. That was not my argument. If you read my comment I never said or implied that you were talking about all men. The point was just that some people might interpret it that way especially when you break up the post in the way that you did. If we use the title of the post as a starting point you begin by making a claim about "some" men. You then describe "the issue" by stating that "men try to...". Do you think someone could reasonably interpret your post as making certain cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:42 AM
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Is the you here supposed to be me, u/MalsOutOfChicago?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:29 AM
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you used "some" in the title but in the body of the post you simply use "men" or "they"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:21 AM
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I'm sure that's true for many women and wouldn't generally expect individuals to lower their standards. Its just that I think the argument is that women's standards are too high relative to where men are and what women offer and the imbalance is bad for relationships and society in general. I don't think the argument is simply about men getting what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:12 PM
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I think the attitude is that women should lower their standards so that everyone is happier overall
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:18 PM
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they met in 99/00 though? https://people.com/music/beyonce-jay-z-relationship-timeline/ The former Destiny's Child star previously told Seventeen that they met when she was 18, which would have been between September of 1999 and August of 2000.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 12:43 PM
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beyonce didn't have any solo records until like two years after they met
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 12:32 PM
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I'm not denying that some famous women 'date down' but Jay-Z and Beyonce were in wildly different positions when they met than where they are today
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:52 AM
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What makes you think this? I assume you mean NBA/D1?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:34 AM
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Why do so many men whine about being lonely yet they won't approach women at coffee shops, parks, fairs, events, bookstores etc? Women want to be approached, and it is frustrating men aren't garnering the courage to do so. Nothing empirical to say but for me and most of the guys I know, when we have decided not to approach a woman we are otherwise interested in, its largely because we are afraid of rejection. We don't want to try and fail and/or be embarrassed if its in a public setting. I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:27 PM
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Large-scale surveys show women experience loneliness in similar or higher numbers, and often just as intensely. Can you link me to some of those surveys?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:20 PM
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It would depend on the reason. If it were for some factor that I can make a positive change in, I'd still be pretty comfortable. Like if I didn't have a job at the time or they preferred somebody in better/worse shaped. If it were for some factor that I can't change and it seemed relatively important, I wouldn't be comfortable. Like if they had a strong desire for someone of a different race or somebody taller. If it were something that didn't seem important like eye color I think I'd still be c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:19 PM
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No, that is not my perception. I have been approached and I have witnessed the same occur to other men. Sorry if my last comment wasn't clear. I was just trying to say that if you believe doing nothing isn't a choice and you cannot recollect a man ever approaching just one woman, our perceptions of reality are so far apart that we cannot really debate anything in this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:06 PM
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Respectfully we just live in different worlds then. I'm not saying you're lying its just that our perceptions of reality are so far apart that no debate can reconcile them. Thanks for the comments though
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 02:39 PM
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It’s not really a choice not to do it. Not doing something is the default. It literally is a choice. It is a choice by definition right? Women can do it. so why would I unless I actually wanted to? this is what I'm trying to get at sorry if that wasn't clear. If a woman is generally interested in being in a relationship with a man, why would she not want to approach. I’ve seen guys at bars approach women like they’re at a farmer’s market, moving from woman to woman until someone says yes. Have y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 02:25 PM
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do you believe that lack is experienced by a similar proportion of women as men? Do you believe that lack is experienced to the same extent?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 01:44 PM
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I understand that you don't need to. I'm asking why you prefer the choice you made. I could hunt but I choose grocery stores because I don't like watching animals die, I don't like waiting around all day, and I'm terrible at shooting/fishing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 01:32 PM
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What the hell are we supposed to do? If you're the type of woman who says you don't want dating to be transactional, it seems OP would want you to either stop saying that or stop asking the transactional questions he mentioned. It seems like you and OP have a different definition of transactional at least in the relationship context. What does it mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:55 AM
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Fair enough. I didn't mean any offense I don't think it is complicated or premeditated I was just curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:39 AM
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I don't think it makes someone a coward. I disagree with OP on that. I agree that they don't need to or have to I'm just wondering why they choose not to. In my mind its like not needing to have to eat certain vegetable but I choose not to because of the taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:35 AM
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Is there anything that anyone just flat out has to do though? Isn't there an underlying reason? No offense but I'm not sure what that answer means. Like I don't have to eat cabbage but the reason I choose not to is because I don't like the taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:33 AM
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I think he's just talking about the majority. I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:30 AM
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does that explain why they generally choose not to though? Technically no one really needs to do anything per se. They still could so the question remains right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:25 AM
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No offense but I'm confused by your argument? Isn't the standard "nice guy" belief that being nice doesn't help a man attract women? Why does that belief require "that women can't have their own thoughts, morals, and standards. That women are just prizes for men. That women cant have sex on her own terms"? Can't someone, and don't most "nice guys", believe that being nice doesn't help a man attract women and that is because of the thoughts morals and standards of those women who are having sex o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:54 PM
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all media Do you not find the men in that media to be just as hot? Men often wear make up in those settings as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:47 AM
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If you believe that doesn't it contradict your "reality of why men traditionally court and put effort into dating women, because it produces better results."?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:59 PM
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You could say the same about Mens choices. Of course the law could change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:07 PM
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Small minority. You dodged the argument because you lost
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:06 PM
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So it’s coveted by men who have no impact on your life? Why do you care then?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:38 PM
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Women don’t have to be with a man or have kids. That’s a choice
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:27 PM
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Not really. Some of the "best looking men" In Hollywood are 5'6-5'9. It doesn't hold them back. A lot of them don't have chiseled jaws either. Everyone has hair, the difference in maintaining long healthy hair and a short typically male hairstyle is multiple hours per week The vast majority of men in Hollywood are taller than 5'10 which is the average in America. Here is a wiki list of the highest grossing actors. You can also just look at most live action movies with male leads. Furthermore som…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:13 PM
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She purposefully ends her comment about rape talking about sexual harassment and assault because she knows she can't say "all of my friends have been raped". She needs to mix all of these topics together and keep it vague. IDK about this commenter in particular but yeah I see this pretty often online. I feel like in those cases its usually done to make some false argument about 1 in however many women being assaulted therefore 1 in however many women were certainly raped. No, most men aren't fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 01:13 PM
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1 no to all points So you're denying this right?: Magazines movies and tv shows discuss the male body as well https://www.gq.com/story/introducing-gqs-special-issue-on-american-masculinity-starring-glen-powell GQ is a men's fashion magazine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd0XPRo4LZQ this is a trailer for a movie about male strippers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGhk3qIfV90 This is the NFL combine. It is televised and they discuss the athleticism and bodies of men
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:53 PM
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I don't really know what you mean no offense. If the body you're in doesn't represent you how do you know what your 'true body' looks like?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:41 PM
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No to which part? maybe we should just go one point at a time? I'm not insecure about my body at all. I love mine. I just know that plenty of boys are insecure and plenty were and are criticized for not looking like male celebrities. Either because of their height or muscles. Would you like me to link you to an example of women criticizing men's bodies?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:39 PM
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Even a good looking man who puts in a ton of effort isn't putting in as much effort as an equally attractive woman. What makes you think this? Men aren't expected to wear makeup or have intricate hairstyles or long, hard to manage hair, and also be hairless otherwise. are men expected to be tall? Are men expected to be muscular? Are men expected to have hair? Are men expected to have a defined jaw? From personal experience, most of the men I know don't expect or want a woman to be hairless when …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:32 PM
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I'm curious about people's opinions. I was not arguing that no one ever promoted those ideas. I just wanted to see how that person came to that conclusion. No need to be rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:23 PM
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no, the same does not happen to men as a whole, some men may experience it in some periods. Do you think women as a whole experience what you described? if so why? and.. society??? have you ever read a female magazine? or even a teen or child magazine? movies, tv shows, Magazines movies and tv shows discuss the male body as well. the slutshaming since a young age are boys not shamed for being nerdy/awkward around girls romantically? the obsession with being thin enough but at the same time curvy…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:22 PM
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women’s bodies are constantly watched, judged, rated, sexualized Do you think the same happens to men eventually? It should just be a couple years later since they hit puberty later right? we’re taught since we are kids that our bodies need to look a certain way or theyre not womanly enough and at the same time that they must be covered up because they are intrinsically sensual, intrinsically dirty. and we’re also taught to enforce these norms with oneself and each other Who teaches you this and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:55 AM
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Do you mean like entertainment media?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:51 AM
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that makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:35 AM
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kinda side topic but generally what would be considered harassment vs just an unwanted approach? or are they one in the same
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:28 AM
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To be fair I think flirting, by definition, is a way of showing someone that you’re interested in them without stating it explicitly. Good flirting seems like the type of thing that varies depending on the context. The only thing that the sub seems to agree on is being physically attractive to the person you’re flirting with helps. Outside of that there are so many variables it’s hard to say one specific strategy will always or even often work
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:47 PM
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So in the relationship context you mean something like “I understand how you feel about dating” vs “doing xyz might help you with dating”? I don’t want to assume your position but it seems like whether advice from men to women, and vice vera, is helpful is up for debate here
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:05 PM
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No offense, I'm not saying I disagree, but I'm not sure what you mean. What does attempted empathy look like in this context as opposed to compassion?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:34 PM
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Well the care part has to do with the two people who decide to have kids together
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 02:47 PM
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past the dating stage, men are lazy, childcare- and chore-digging cunts that don't pull their weight in relationships. What makes you think this
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 11:13 AM
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How would you feel? Would you be OK with that? I'd feel fine. I don't really care about the gender of people in positions in power. Do you think it could indicate some sort of discrimination? It could, but disparities alone are not good evidence of discrimination. Obviously we want to ensure the right people are in power regardless of gender but I think it’s absolutely true that issues I described above could be better dealt with if the power in this country was more evenly split amongst genders…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 11:07 AM
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What do you think the most significant hardships are for men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:31 AM
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What about your experience or anecdotes makes you think women's chances at dating will be substantially worsened by choosing not to wear make up? I'm genuinely curious because my experiences and anecdotes suggest most men prefer less to none.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:53 AM
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can you define equality
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:39 AM
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can you define gender equality
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:19 AM
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Yeah you just don't understand equality then
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:15 AM
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OP is literally making that argument quote it then Nope, same claim I've been making the whole time. "A woman not wanting to date a particular man does not mean she doesn't want equality" is different than "Not wanting to date someone is not oppression" If you can't respond with the OPs quote and admit that those two statements are different please just drop this conversation here
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:06 AM
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That doesn't mean I have to date those women. No one is making that argument. No, it's pretty straightforward. Not wanting to date someone is not oppression. You changed your claim again. You either terribly misunderstood the post or realized you were wrong and now refuse to debate the issue so you don't have to admit it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:57 AM
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His conclusion could be true but this Because they are claiming that women's desire for equality is "fake" if they won't give men an equal chance. is not true. No one can desire true gender equality while also believing that one gender should pay for dates. I think people have a hard time admitting this fairly obvious statement because "inequality" is treated as inherently bad and many people just want to be treat or be treated to a date without judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:54 AM
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We want to you to have the CHOICE to follow them or not. This is basically what the original post is talking about. I'm not sure if you're a troll or just so ideologically captured that you can't concede the most obvious points.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:49 AM
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Whether a man has to ask a woman out on the date or not is so completely irrelevant to the tenants of equality that feminists fight for—it’s not even a discussion of equality By definition, it is a discussion of gender equality. It is simply a discussion that many if not the vast majority of women don't want to have. Most of the men I know don't have a problem with that. The problem identified in the original post is the selective traditionalism that is apparent in your comment no offense. Some …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 11:13 PM
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Are you really going to misrepresent the post instead of simply admitting you were wrong? You know thats not the full quote. Did I say something rude that is discouraging you from admitting you were wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 10:50 PM
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Why Is it my responsibility to make women someone you’d want to date? It is not your responsibility. Respectfully, that has nothing to do with whether inconsistent application of traditional expectations fuels RP. You guys don’t pay to be traditional you are simping to compete for the attractive women I'm sure this is true of a substantial number of men but again it does not respond to the post's argument. No one is disputing that men who pay for dates do so by choice the vast majority of the ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 10:28 PM
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Do you think your use of the term "systemic inequality" and the post's use of the broader term "equality" is a relevant difference? Do you think systemic inequality can be created or influenced by large groups of ordinary/everyday individuals?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 09:47 PM
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I think the post is arguing against inconsistent application of traditional expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 09:31 PM
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Because they are claiming that women's desire for equality is "fake" if they won't give men an equal chance. Well the desire for complete equality is fake if that is true. How can anyone claim to desire true or complete equality between men and women while also believing that men should pick up the tab when dating? I would agree that belief is not oppression but it is inconsistent with complete equality. A woman not wanting to date a particular man does not mean she doesn't want equality. This i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 09:30 PM
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Is that a bad thing? If so why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 09:25 PM
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Respectfully, how does this respond to the post's assertion? None of the claims related to 'having' to date anyone or choosing not to date someone being oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 09:21 PM
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why
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:31 AM
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Men date for youth and looks. Women date for competence and financial security. Do you think there any other factors men and/or women consider when pursing a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:25 PM
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Because loyalty is a good part of what gives human value. I agree that loyalty is good but I don't think that justifies OP's position. From his perspective, the other relationships which are supposedly deserving of higher value, could also be disloyal. Maybe the parents prefer one kid to another. Maybe the siblings prefer one brother to another. Unfortunately women are only loyal to themselves and would happily chuck their husbands, brothers and sons into a wood chipper if that meant getting a n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:23 PM
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Question 1 I believe Men didnt evolve a Hypergamous Biological tendency, this can be proven by the fact that Men date nearly always down. I just wanna be clear that i dont judge Women for this. Its fucking survival. I wasn't asking specifically about dating. Question 2 I can disprove this easily, does a Man still have to protect a Woman if we are real? no. Why do Women still prefer tall Men = Biological Parameter still alive. Women, generally speaking, prefer taller men because those women find …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:44 AM
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Women had to operate "intelligently" to survive Just to clarify, do you think this is true for men and women? operating intelligently in Dating is the "More is more" mindset, means if a "better Option" turns up, a subconsious decison get made to "replace the old" Mating Partner, because the new Mating Partner gives higher chance for survival I disagree. I don't think this has been true for centuries. Society has been so technologically advanced for so long that people no longer make those consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:22 AM
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Then men need to chill out with constantly begging for sex and putting sex on a pedestal. What percentage of men would you say are engaged in this behavior? What makes you think that? Just look at this sub for example. Sex, how to get it and woe is me I don’t have it is all men here ever wanna talk about and women are always bad and need to be humbled for not giving sex to men that are their ‘looks match’. What makes you think the sub is discussing sex rather than relationships? Here are the tit…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:34 PM
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How? Not disagreeing just curious
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 09:57 PM
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Men are not criticizing for the same thing then
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:17 PM
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Women’s standards are not as easy to control in my opinion. Not that the difference makes them necessarily worse it’s just the criticism might change because of it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:49 PM
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They don't want to date fat women, they don't want single mothers I agree that this is part of the standard and basically a requirement for most men. It's just that these things are fairly easy to control.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:12 PM
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But don’t you believe that at because you think you see more attractive women with unattractive men? Isn’t that kinda circular?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:10 AM
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What makes you think that happens more often than the opposite?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:58 AM
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I think the asymmetry occurs more or less equally. Do you have any evidence showing that unattractive man occurs more often? I don’t have any evidence for my claim it’s not meant to call you out I’m just curious
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:45 AM
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You did say any profile but fine then any profile on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:48 PM
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what about mine?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:14 PM
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because nowhere in that sentence do you say "the previous sentence applies to a very small minority"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:13 PM
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I left that out because the follow up sentence does not establish that the previous sentence applies to a very small minority. Men will literally blame Rihana for “choosing a bad man” when she was beat black and blue by Chris Brown. Are you walking around with your eyes closed? Genuine victim blaming is what people are having for breakfast. “What were you wearing?” You're not talking about specific men justifying their own behavior then? its just men discussing the behavior of men generally?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:06 PM
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men still have a number rights and powers in todays worlds, hold most chairs in the government, and manage most of my (USA’s) country’s wealth This applies to a vanishingly small percentage of men in the US. These same men will demonize women in abusive relationships struggling with very real constraints like shared custody and financial dependency, physical abuse and controlling dynamics- while claiming that they don’t have a choice in their behavior because no one will choose them. Where do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:56 PM
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Thats a different subject 'Choosing to disregard an obligation' is different than 'making a choice which creates an obligation'
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:58 AM
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Some of you might be tempted to argue that a father can simply opt in to rights for his child by agreeing with the mother to the pregnancy, birth, and care of that child. But you cannot unilaterally opt into rights over another person by agreeing to care for that person. That's not what you said here. If you can consent to an obligation, it’s not an obligation, regardless why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:45 AM
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No you did not. I was hoping you would elaborate because obviously the consent negates your argument regarding unilaterally opting in.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:33 AM
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Are you asking whether this woman consented to the father possessing rights over a resulting child when she had intercourse with him? yes. If so, no, according to the “men lack obligations to their children” argument Why not? I'm not too familiar with that argument if you don't mind explaining it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:07 AM
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but if you're paying for the date and all you want from the date is sex you are paying for it. Is it just a price thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:52 AM
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But you cannot unilaterally opt into rights over another person by agreeing to care for that person. I could not, for example, accrue rights to make decisions about you or your children just by mailing you a check—rather, I would first need the consent of the child in question or that child’s guardian Did the hypothetical woman not consent when she chose to have sex with the guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:51 AM
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If that's all you're looking for why not just hire a prostitute?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:30 AM
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No thanks. There’s a bunch of comments on his post
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:24 PM
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Just because we wanted to send the message that we don't feel safe around random men doesn't mean they don't want men to approach us. That message was projected in such a rude way (choosing the bear) that many men will happily throw it back in Women's faces when the opportunity arises. I think most men recognize that those two beliefs can coexist. Its more about righting a wrong for people who make those comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:00 PM
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lol fair enough. Not gonna answer
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:37 PM
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It was either introverted nerds, players or fundamentalist Christians who used dating sites back then What evidence do you have of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:28 PM
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respectfully, it seems as if most of the conclusions people draw from the 09 study are supported by the state of modern dating apps so why bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:27 PM
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No. Thats not what I asked you. You should be more kind
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:40 PM
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Physical attractiveness is not everything in woman's attraction and personality and actions drive a lot of attraction as well. For example confidence. agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 01:33 PM
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What good relationship traits does OP have that I don't? I don't know you or OP so I can't answer Okay what relationship traits are women filtering? Depends on the woman really. I'd assume OP is talking about generally accepted positive things like the willingness to take a person seriously when discussing substantial relationship issues like jobs/money, where to live, etc. most of you here talk about attractive men like they're all abusive fuck boys that lack everything good you think you offer…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 01:06 PM
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when he said filtered out good relationship traits doesn't he mean that they aren't looking based on those traits? I didn't think that required or suggested that the physically attractive men didn't have those traits. Those good relationship traits, to the extent that they exist in those physically attractive men, just aren't the reason they were picked according to my interpretation OP's comment
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 12:51 PM
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fair enough that explains the disagreement
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:58 AM
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reported for contentless rhetoric. Have a better day friend genuinely
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:56 AM
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I'm asking why you think the post stated/suggested that women are terrible. It seems you were just being hyperbolic though and now you're retreating to a different claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:47 AM
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because most women filtered out good relationship traits for things that sexually excites them. I don't think this is true. I think "good relationship traits" still matter its just that you need to be physically attractive in the first place and it seems that women naturally tend to have greater preferences for certain immutable physical characteristics. As a result many men just feel cut out by a substantial portion of the market since there's little to nothing they could do to meet that physic…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:44 AM
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Do you think leagues exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:40 AM
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generally speaking its not. I don't think its true for either gender. What makes you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:38 AM
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How did they insinuate that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:37 AM
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Why do you think that? Which part of the post stated/suggested that women are terrible?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:33 AM
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We know that the chances of being valued as mothers is so low that never giving birth is preferable I disagree. You get to know somebody over time and that lets you know the chance of being valued. Its not generally a low chance
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 08:02 PM
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avoiding pregnancy is also an option
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 07:39 PM
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When we say “everyone cheats,” that’s technically true.But men cheat more. How do you know this? I've got no idea I'm just curious
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 07:34 PM
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Typically men want casual and sexual variety What makes you think this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:47 PM
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No offense but if you don’t know the specific features they were referencing how do you know that experience is relevant to this post? What if you don’t floss and they thought your teeth were ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 12:01 AM
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Generally speaking men dont. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:54 PM
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It’s a general idea but did they say why they were calling you ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:53 PM
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But men don’t care much for height
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:14 PM
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But you can change the shape and size of your body by working out
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:03 PM
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What do you mean by equivalent in male beauty? I’m guessing you don’t mean feminine looking but I’m not sure
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:12 PM
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Okay. I think I agree if we’re just talking about men’s standards for sleeping around. I don’t think that’s true for relationships intended to be long term
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:11 PM
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Thats fair enough. I feel like I don't really see unkempt guys that often but I'm straight and not really into fashion myself so I could be missing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:42 PM
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What do you mean by body type? both men and women care about overall face shape though
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:32 PM
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Men don’t know how to sell themselves to women. I think this is generally true. I also think its hard to know
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:07 AM
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How do we know the same people are viewing the post and potentially up/downvoting? Wouldn't we need to know that for "Upvotes are about what majority think." to be true?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:02 AM
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Don't you think women have more physical preferences for characteristics that can't be changed? Like height. I'd agree that there's more to attraction than physical characteristics though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:55 AM
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again disagree with the requirement for relationships but interesting perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:00 PM
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I disagree with that description but why do you see that as a bad standard? just curious since I'm assuming most people on this sub don't have any moral problems with casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:53 PM
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Yeah you didn’t read them lol. I didn’t disagree look at my comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:49 PM
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lol you didn't read them. You don’t genuinely disagree or else you would “cite” your owns studies or explain how my studies don’t support the crux of the OP. That's true I don't disagree. I haven't read them so I don't have an opinion on them. You’re grasping at straws bruh cuz the reality insults your sense of self or something. That's not true. I'm not lonely and none of this is personal. I just think its a fun topic on reddit where I won't get a million downvotes
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:40 PM
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I asked because the question wasn't presented neutrally. I think a fair question would have just asked about how men and women express their woes without putting the specific result with each gender. You clearly didn’t really want any studies lol I didn't ask you for studies. I asked if you could cite them and explain how they support your argument. You can't or won't do that. Did you read them before citing them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:31 PM
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you're not concerned that the phrasing of the question slanted the answer provided?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:13 PM
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very few men are rapists or killers https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Sexual_Abuse_FY24.pdf https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/shr
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:05 PM
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I think men make their discontent or primal impulses everyone else’s problem. They externalize it more, women internalize it more. Plenty of research on this. Can you cite them and explain why they support your argument. My instinct is that the men's issue gets more attention because men feel as if they have no options and women feel as if they have bad options. The no options or the lack of quantity is just a more interesting discussion in my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 06:59 PM
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What's so bad about men's standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 06:42 PM
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I'm not ignoring it. I can rephrase if you like. Are there any indicators of sparks occurring in a woman? How could a man recognize those? I'm not asking if there is an exact science I'm basically asking if there are any clues at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:55 AM
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I'm not saying men don't experience spark. I'm saying those sparks exist within a person's head, even if its occurring for both people. How would a man know that there are sparks?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:41 AM
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But you only experience one half of that interaction. How would a man observe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:26 AM
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I disagree. I don’t even think you believe this. Seems like you’re just using this to justify your earlier incorrect reasoning
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:10 AM
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Because the men and women won’t always agree and the men can just take whatever they want rather than bargain for it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 01:58 AM
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What would prevent the remaining men in the community from using violence to take advantage of the women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 01:52 AM
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How do you know the desirable men would be able to drive out the undesirable men. Regardless the desirable men would just take advantage of the women who live in those communities. There need to be men to do the chasing away but if there are men the women will be subject to violence it’s just inevitable
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 01:51 AM
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Yeah women being able to freely select their mates and not being forced into marriage is how things are supposed to be. But without societal manipulation women would often not have a free will as they would simply be overpowered by men who tend to be larger and stronger If your question was trying to build up a straw man argument like “diseases are occurring naturally, so we should not treat them, right??” then I don’t think we need to discuss further No i'm just trying to understand the other f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 01:38 AM
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I agree. Patriarchy is the social manipulation in that sentence. I’m asking you if anything that occurs without societal manipulation is okay. For example I’d imagine that violent crimes by men against women would increase drastically without a criminal justice system and a capitalist economic system. Would that be okay since it’s naturally occurring?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 01:22 AM
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It’s simply natural selection and how evolution works... now we’re just slowly getting back to how it was supposed to be. Is everything that occurs naturally or without social manipulation like patriarchy how things are supposed to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 01:12 AM
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Do you think there are any bad reasons for men or women to reject a romantic relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 01:10 AM
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It's only been a few years where women have that choice. What do you mean by a few? Women have had these choices for hundreds of years. Being a stay at home parent with a man comes at a cost to the woman. What are the male choices that come with no costs? She loses her autonomy. Her control. And gives it all to him. And that...that is cruel to me. That's all a choice Also, many women were coerced into the relationships to begin with. How were they coerced? how many is many?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:50 AM
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I mean you don't have to be with any given man. You don't have to have kids with any given man. You don't have to stay at home with those kids. Those are three choices that women could make to avoid being SAHM.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:44 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:41 AM
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I would say no one is lonlier than the imprisoned SAHM they seemingly all want to have waiting for them at home every day. Isn't being a SAHM just as much a choice as the poor behavior of men that you referenced?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:37 AM
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What if they just like you and don't care whether you're bragging or quiet
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:18 AM
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How? What about your observations makes you think its one instead of the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:55 AM
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Because we got the great advice of "be confident". I think this advice is often given because people don't want to address tougher issues like certain traits that can't be changed which will almost always be perceived as unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:54 AM
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Does that mean "bragging and shoving ego in their face" is perceived as confidence? Couldn't it just mean that people are overlooking those negative traits in favor of other positive traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:44 AM
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I'm not disputing the existence of pretty privilege. I think we agree that it exists. I'm just not sure why you believe it means that people will see negative traits such as bragging and being egotistical as a positive trait like confidence. In my opinion it makes more sense that pretty privilege cause people to overlook or ignore negative traits in favor of the pretty trait
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:42 AM
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How do you know its always been like this with everything
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:26 AM
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How do you know its viewed as confidence or a positive trait for the "tall attractive guy" instead of a negative trait which is just allowed because of the other positive factors
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:21 AM
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As in men believe women who tend to have sex earlier on in previous relationships should continue that behavior. If that's your point I think men, at least the ones who complain about the continuation of that standard, do believe that women enjoyed doing so with previous partners and that is part of why they want the behavior to continue. Its all anecdotal though so I guess we just disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:16 AM
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That doesn’t make much sense to me can you give me an example of a behavior that’s part of the standard that men want women to maintain?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 09:59 AM
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Men often tell here how humiliating it is to be treated "worse" than previous partners. When men say this, I think they're referring to treatment or activities that they believe the woman they're pursuing would have enjoyed with a previous partner. So I think your comparison is off if you really are trying to make a point because many of the men who say "how humiliating it is to be treated "worse" than previous partners" also only pay because they believe the woman expects or requires them to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 09:40 AM
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Will it really continue to be "much more common occurence" that the man makes more money in a relationship? I think so. At least in the foreseeable future or our lifetimes In 29% of marriages today, both spouses earn about the same amount of money. Just over half (55%) of marriages today have a husband who is the primary or sole breadwinner and 16% have a breadwinner wife. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:09 AM
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but I wouldn't try to convince a virgin-until-marriage person to have sex. That's creepy. I disagree. I think there are circumstances where it's inappropriate to have this debate but I don't think its creepy. From my perspective its an attempt to better the life of the person you're debating with and society as a whole. Regardless I don't think monogamy has to be waiting until marriage, even though I think everybody should. And I'd hope they show me the same respect. I'm sure it depends on the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:12 AM
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People are already free to do that. I agree So what's the difference between what you imagine and how things are now? People doing what I described more often and more effectively
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:55 AM
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I wouldn't use the term enforce. In church we learn that sex outside of marriage is wrong. Pastors and other church leaders teach this from the Bible. Church members often choose to be monogamous partly because of this teaching. No enforcement required. If I wanted to implement this society wide there'd be a similar movement. People who believe sex outside of marriage or one committed relationship is wrong should talk about it. Explain the position and why they hold it. Maybe they'll convince pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:49 AM
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I'm not referencing any one particular racial community. These disparities have been documented across several racial groups in America. If you have a point or accusation to make just say it. Please don't be passive aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:42 AM
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So what is your opinion with regard to this logic for racial sentencing disparities?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:26 AM
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So why not do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:12 AM
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I'm asking you to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:05 AM
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I'm not seeing a lot of Kennedy's marrying the diner waittress. I do see the occassional "Beauty and the Beast" match up, though. I don't really think this is a fair comparison. I agree that its pretty rare for the Kennedy - waitress pairing to occur but I think that overlooks the much more common occurence of the man simply making more money than his wife/girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:35 PM
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Are there guarantees for the man?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:30 PM
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Body count? I dare any men in this sub to complain about this again we already debunked it. What's been debunked? I'm fairly new to this sub so I don't know what you're talking about. Men love having easy access to women thats for sure. I don't think most men at least the ones who aren't in healthy long term relationships would say they have easy access to women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:29 PM
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why do you think that
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:26 PM
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For what it's worth I grew up in a Christian environment and most of the woman who were like OP's description did not get abused or cheated on. Although it definitely seemed most women exhibited those traits because they were associated with their beliefs not because they want to avoid certain wrongs from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:26 PM
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I'm not sure but I don't think exclusivity needs to be certified to prevent hookup culture. I'm Christian and I attend a baptist church but from personal experience and observing pastor's views on abstinence within the church broadly it seems that it is possible to separate from hookup culture without legislating sexual exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:23 PM
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He’s tall. Very attractive. Charismatic. Principled. Kind. Generous. Brave. Intelligent. Either wealthy or extremely resourceful. Aside from being tall, all of these things are viewed as positive traits in a woman by men generally speaking. I think men just tend to be less picky for multiple reasons so they might not express the fact that those traits are positive as often as women do for men. I also think "very attractive" is an umbrella term that hides factors which men don't care about or onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:17 PM
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Men are typically reacted to differently from women, because men behave differently than women. How do you apply this logic to racial disparities in sentencing? I'm really only asking to see if you're consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 11:04 PM
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Women are especially keen at picking up social signals that a man is desperate, pathetic, thirsty, low confidence What makes you think this
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:55 PM
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Let's say that we go back to a time when extramarital sex was essentially criminal. Are there alternative options to "hookup culture" to whatever extent it exists currently and extramarital sex being "essentially criminal"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:36 PM
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