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–	What do you think it means that young women are rapidly becoming less straight? I agree with a lot of the broader point that women becoming financially independent changed the dating market. If a woman doesn't need a man to provide for her, then being a decent provider by itself isn't going to carry the same weight it once did. Men are being judged more on whether women actually find them attractive and want them around, and I do think that leaves some average men in a tougher position. Where I think you lose me is going from women needing men less to women simply not being…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/26 07:32 PM
–	Undesirable men should be taxed more Even beyond the fairness issue, I don't see how putting more financial pressure on young single men is supposed to produce more families. If anything, you're making it harder for those men to become financially stable enough to marry and have children in the first place. You don't fix a fertility problem by making one half of the people needed to form families worse off and hoping that somehow leads to more family formation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/26 07:23 PM
–	Undesirable men should be taxed more Some of the posters here, I wouldn't be so sure about that. You probably haven't debated some of the people I have, lol. Hell, I just ran into one earlier trying to force a belief of how men should operate their dating lives. Then got all pissy when I challenged it and tried to end it by respectfully agreeing to disagree. Anyway, I can see why you might think it's satire though. I already addressed that possibility in my response to the AutoMod earlier because I assumed it might be. Either way, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/26 10:59 AM
–	Undesirable men should be taxed more This doesn't solve the fertility crisis. It just punishes single men for being single while explicitly rewarding single women for the exact same outcome. If the justification is that people without children aren't contributing to the birth rate, then exempting childfree single women immediately destroys the logic of the policy. It also ignores that men don't have unilateral control over whether they start families. A man can want marriage and children and still remain single because he hasn't fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/26 09:19 AM
–	What do you think it means that young women are rapidly becoming less straight? I think it mostly means young women are becoming less willing to describe themselves as completely straight. The biggest movement was not women going from exclusively attracted to men to exclusively attracted to women. Exclusive attraction to women only rose from 1% to 5%. Most of the change happened somewhere between those two ends. That could mean several things are happening together. Same-sex attraction carries less stigma, labels like bisexual and queer are more familiar, and women may be m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/26 08:41 AM
–	Undesirable men should be taxed more Women do not earn special tax treatment just by existing. Being pleasant, deescalating conflicts, enforcing social norms, or being good with children are not universal female traits, and none of them justify taxing single men more. Men contribute heavily through construction, utilities, transportation, sanitation, emergency work, defense, and other dangerous jobs that keep society functioning. Reducing that to store runs and yelling at a computer is just a silly caricature. If birth rates are th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/26 08:08 AM
–	What do you think it means that young women are rapidly becoming less straight? Oh, I wasn't blaming you for the "half" figure. I was just addressing the calculation because it still cannot be used to estimate how many women are currently dating women. There actually is some data on same-sex marriages and cohabiting couples. What is harder to find is data on noncohabiting dating relationships, especially when people are bisexual, casually dating, or seeing more than one person. That is a real gap in the data, but I would not call it suspicious. Dating is simply harder to me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/26 07:38 AM
–	What do you think it means that young women are rapidly becoming less straight? That math starts with an assumption and then treats it like a finding. There is no data here showing what share of these women are currently dating men, women, or no one. The “half” figure is an assumption, not a measured result. Going from 18% to 44% identifying as something other than strictly heterosexual does not mean women dating women increased from 9% to 22%. Sexual identity and current relationship status are different things. You would need data on their current partners before calculat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/26 07:11 AM
4	"Most men would love to date most women, most women would not love to date most men" this is a lie. That only proves men have a higher bar for relationships than they do for sex. It does not prove men are unwilling to date most women. Their standards for dating can still be much lower than women’s standards for dating. A woman does not have to be some perfect blank slate either. Men regularly date women who nag, expect too much, care heavily about money, or have other difficult traits. Men often tolerate plenty because they have fewer options and are more willing to compromise. Stacking every …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 06:43 PM
2	Women should approach men more often. Yeah, when a lot of women talk about equality and sharing burdens, they seem to mean almost everything except dating, lol. Even progressive women often expect men to approach, plan, pay, lead, handle rejection, and move the relationship forward. They may reject traditional gender roles in principle while keeping the male roles that make dating easier for them. An equal relationship would require sharing those uncomfortable burdens too, not just dividing responsibilities after the man has already…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 06:24 PM
2	No one is sex positive. Accepting a kink does not mean participating in it or wanting it in a relationship. It means recognizing that consenting adults can make their own sexual choices without needing personal approval. Sex positivity does not have to be unconditional, but personal disgust is not much of a standard by itself. RP is about understanding desire honestly, maintaining boundaries, and accepting adult agency. Someone can reject a kink for themselves without pretending that every adult who enjoys it is broken…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 06:07 PM
3	Women should approach men more often. Depends on the woman but like I said women can generally get more if they are actually in shape.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 06:01 PM
2	Women should approach men more often. Getting in shape can improve a man’s options, but it does not guarantee he will have any. A normal-weight man can still struggle because women may also place a good deal of importance on several other traits. Not every woman judges every trait at the highest level, but a man can still be rejected for several reasons after fixing his weight. Weight loss generally makes a more immediate difference for women because physical appearance carries more of their initial dating value. An obese woman who …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 06:00 PM
2	Women should approach men more often. Men already know that. If a man does not look good bald or gains too much weight, he risks losing his woman, especially during the early stages. Nothing is guaranteed for men either. That was the point. Women recognize that their attraction to men can disappear after major physical changes, yet some act surprised when men stop finding them attractive for the same reason. If you had actually followed what was said, you would know I never claimed this only applied to women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 05:55 PM
1	Women should approach men more often. That entire response depends on turning “lowering standards” into “having zero attraction and planning to use her until someone better appears.” I never said that. A man can prefer thinner women, still find a heavier woman attractive, enjoy her personality, and build a real relationship with her. Most people adjust some part of their ideal when choosing an actual partner. If a woman lowers her income or height requirement, that doesn’t automatically mean she secretly hates the man and plans to r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 05:33 PM
1	What real advice would you give men for dating. Women can explain what they personally like, but they generally cannot tell men how to succeed at dating because they have never had to attract women as men. They do not experience the same rejection, competition, pressure to initiate, or expectation to create attraction from nothing. A lot of the advice will describe what women appreciate after they already find a man attractive, not what made him attractive in the first place. Men are better off watching what women respond to and learning from…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 09:38 AM
–	Do you genuinely think a "student-mentor" kind of relationship cannot be healthy? The claim that people with a large age gap have nothing to relate over is clearly false. Society accepts intergenerational friendships, mentorships, family bonds, and shared interests without demanding that both people occupy the same life stage. Age can affect compatibility, but it does not automatically erase affection, respect, humor, common values, or enjoyment of each other’s company. Platonic examples do not prove that every age-gap romance will work, but they disprove the idea that meanin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 09:21 AM
2	Women should approach men more often. The sexual double standard probably contributed to women being less direct, but it cannot explain the entire pattern. Women still benefit from waiting because they generally receive more unsolicited interest, avoid rejection, preserve more choice, and get to screen men for confidence and initiative. Those incentives remain even after sexual shame becomes less common. The comparison between gay men and queer women may actually show that sex differences matter alongside socialization. Both groups …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 08:08 AM
3	Women should approach men more often. You said you were done, so no need in coming back with the same crap trying to twist what I said. Just go along.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 07:54 AM
3	Women should approach men more often. Nope bad debate for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 07:36 AM
3	Women should approach men more often. I never said women want “men in general.” I said both sexes have realistic dating ranges, obesity affects those options, and men may lower their standards when aiming higher gets them nothing. BTW we were also specifically discussing you because you are the one describing how much you struggle with attraction, approaching, and commitment. Turning that into a statement about what all women want avoids everything I actually said about your situation. “You can’t understand” is not an argument. Anyw…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 07:19 AM
3	Women should approach men more often. So now you finally address the obese thing. I brought up it not being unique to me because you framed weight loss as making one man temporarily find you attractive. The purpose is to improve your attractiveness to men generally, not win temporary approval from one man. If the weight stays off, the improvement is not temporary either. You might dislike men lowering their standards, but keeping standards so high that they get nothing makes little sense. Men with little else to offer usually have t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 07:14 AM
3	Women should approach men more often. Most people are not attracted to morbidly obese partners. That is not something unique to me. Being attractive enough to be considered for a relationship is part of dating for everyone. For women it's typically more based on looks. Not every man is lowering anyway, they are going for their looks-level. Since men's standards are typically nowhere near as crazy as women's.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 06:58 AM
3	Women should approach men more often. No, they are not interchangeable. A woman can weigh 100 pounds and still be very unattractive. I already gave the solution. You are twisting my words, so go back and read what I actually said.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 06:44 AM
3	Women should approach men more often. No, you specifically brought up being obese. That is a big detail to leave out, no pun intended. My argument was not that only attractive women should approach or that obese women should approach because they can still get sex. I said that if an obese woman gets anything from approaching, it will likely be sex without commitment, especially if she is approaching non-obese men above her level. That does not mean sex is guaranteed either. She may still get nothing at all when she is that big. I wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 06:38 AM
3	Women should approach men more often. That is a caricature of RP. Looks create initial attraction, while personality and behavior determine commitment. Hypergamy is not the claim that every woman is a gold digger, and recognizing that love is influenced by attraction does not mean women are incapable of love. Turning every RP observation into an absolute avoids addressing the actual ideas. Anyway, we can end it there. You are not really debating what I said anymore. It sounds like you are just venting. Regardless, I have definitely …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 06:25 AM
3	Women should approach men more often. Expecting a man to remain equally attracted after someone becomes drastically larger than she was when they met is not realistic. That is not the same as counting every bite, demanding she never fluctuate, or abandoning her the moment illness causes some weight gain. There is a major difference between temporary changes during sickness and allowing severe obesity to return permanently. A man can care for his partner through illness while still having physical limits to his attraction. Women have…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 06:12 AM
4	Women should approach men more often. That is not true. Obese men can still want obese women sexually or romantically without having a fetish. It is not guaranteed, but obese women definitely do not face the same level of exclusion as obese men. An obese woman will usually have at least some options, while an obese man is far more likely to get nothing at all. The best solution is still not getting that big or refusing to stay that big. The dating disadvantage caused by obesity is largely self-inflicted and can be improved by losing…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 06:02 AM
5	Women should approach men more often. That can happen, and I am not denying the experience. An obese woman is generally looksmatched with obese men around her own attractiveness level. Obese men may also offer only sex or validation because being at the same level does not automatically make someone want commitment. The risk becomes greater when she pursues men well above her level. Those men may consider her attractive enough for sex while choosing more attractive women for relationships. Dating closer to her level improves the cha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 05:48 AM
1	Women should approach men more often. That is a whole scenario that women invent out of insecurity. Wanting sex early does not mean a man sees her as barely pretty enough or intends to pump and dump her. A man can find a woman highly attractive, want sex, and still be evaluating whether a relationship makes sense. If she refuses because she fears being used, that is her choice. It does not turn the story she imagined into his actual intention.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 05:34 AM
1	Men fail to understand women because they don’t use their perspective A male or female perspective does not mean every man and woman thinks alike. It refers to recurring differences in preferences, incentives, and experiences between the sexes. Finding horny childfree women, men who reject typical male desires, or women who dislike traditional roles gives examples of individual variation. It does not erase broader patterns. The social circle described is also unusually countercultural. People who questioned religion, mocked conventional morality, read similar mate…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 04:10 AM
–	Men who complain about not getting laid are making things worse for themselves and then it will only be used as fuel to make fun of them. This is a lot of sneering dressed up as an argument. People can become insecure about almost anything, but that does not erase social stigma. Body positivity may have improved attitudes toward stretch marks, but it did not magically make everyone view them as a mark of pride. An insult being widely effective means the trait still carries negative social meaning. Claiming men enforce sexual stigma more than women is both unsupported and irrelevant. Men are part of society too. A woman using the i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 03:55 AM
7	Women should approach men more often. It is easier for women to approach for several reasons, but many have little incentive to give up the advantage of being pursued. Whether a woman is very attractive or not, she will usually have more opportunities come to her than a comparable man will. That is a powerful privilege to surrender when waiting already produces options. Some women will approach, but it is often reserved for a top-tier man who is well above them in looks or stands out through status, money, confidence, or social infl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 03:42 AM
–	Men who complain about not getting laid are making things worse for themselves and then it will only be used as fuel to make fun of them. Using an insult purely because it hurts the target does not prove personal agreement with it, but its effectiveness still depends on an existing insecurity or social stigma. Stretch marks are widely stigmatized even if one person likes them. Male sexual failure works as an insult because men are commonly judged by whether women desire them. “Getting laid” also does not automatically mean needing some random stranger to touch him. It can mean wanting to experience sexual desire and acceptance fro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 03:30 AM
–	How did feminism changed the relationships between men and women in the last decades? Yeah, most here probably didn't see the first two, but the main one that most complain about is the fourth one, which I'm sure most here have seen. The 3rd probably doesn't have too many here, but there are some older Gen X ones here for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 01:44 AM
–	CMV: There's nothing wrong with older men dating younger women for physique, nor younger women dating older men for money. No problem. I appreciate you being respectful. People on here are not always that way on here when challenged. Anyway A possible risk is not enough to justify regulating relationships between consenting adults. Abuse, coercion, fraud, and exploitation are already behaviors that can be addressed directly. Regulating age gaps would restrict healthy couples based on what a different couple might do. The frontal lobe argument also treats 25 like a clear boundary when maturity and decision-making abi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 01:23 AM
–	CMV: There's nothing wrong with older men dating younger women for physique, nor younger women dating older men for money. That is much more likely to happen to men. Women can end up with someone below their ideal too, but many have such high standards that “settling” often means coming down to their actual level or even slightly above it. Men are more likely to have to go below their own level, even if it is only by a point. Either situation can still feel bad if someone believes they ended up with a partner because better options were unavailable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 01:13 AM
–	There’s a huge male insecurity crisis, and it’s becoming a huge problem A lot of men probably see these events as paying for the chance to be judged and rejected. What makes it sillier is hearing women who are not especially attractive complain that none of the men there are attractive, even when those men are clearly around their own level. If men expect to do all the approaching and entertaining while women mainly stand back and eliminate them, there is not much reason to attend. That is less about men fearing single women and more about the event offering them a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 12:33 AM
1	Do you genuinely think a "student-mentor" kind of relationship cannot be healthy? Some women absolutely do claim that older men and younger women cannot relate as equals or build a genuine romantic relationship. Saying “nobody thinks that” avoids the actual criticism commonly directed at those couples. An age difference can create mismatched expectations or make manipulation easier, but it does not establish either one. The example combines age with financial dependence, inexperience, uncertain boundaries, and conflicting goals, then treats the resulting risk as evidence agai…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/26 12:27 AM
–	CMV: There's nothing wrong with older men dating younger women for physique, nor younger women dating older men for money. Money is not the only reason age-gap relationships happen. Some older men stay in good shape, improve their appearance, develop confidence, and become attractive without being wealthy. Some younger women also genuinely prefer older men for their maturity, experience, personality, or appearance. The younger woman is not always a model, and the older man is not always rich. Most age-gap relationships are probably far more ordinary than the stereotype of a wealthy man buying access to a beautiful y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 11:07 PM
–	You should never take dating advice from women on reddit A lot of women dislike being approached mainly when they are not already interested in the man. The same confidence or sexual intent that feels thirsty and objectifying from an unwanted man can feel exciting from someone she strongly desires. Meeting through school, work, friends, or hobbies allows attraction and familiarity to develop before anyone makes a move. Making the first move in two of those relationships supports that distinction. Once a woman really likes a man, being approached is mu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 10:57 PM
–	Men who complain about not getting laid are making things worse for themselves and then it will only be used as fuel to make fun of them. Claiming the stigma does not exist while admitting that sexual failure “works like a charm” as an insult is contradictory. It works because society associates sexual success with status and treats sexually unsuccessful people, especially men, as inferior. Using that insult against someone deemed unpleasant still reinforces the same judgment against everyone it applies to. Reducing loneliness, repeated rejection, and the inability to form romantic intimacy to “complaining about an inability to fu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 10:01 PM
1	How important is a woman’s first time, really? For some women, the first partner can remain significant if she lost her virginity to someone she genuinely loved or cared about. The emotional relationship may make the experience memorable more than the sex itself. If sex is not especially meaningful to her, or the first experience happened without much emotional attachment, it may carry little lasting importance. A later relationship can easily become more significant through deeper love, trust, and shared experiences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 09:52 PM
2	Women, do you prefer watching porn with big dicks? That shows size is not always central to the fantasy. When it is not mentioned, there is also no reason to assume the man is meant to be huge. Sometimes smaller can be part of the appeal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 09:48 PM
2	Men, if you got divorced, would you willingly pay alimony/spousal support? I would probably fight the amount, but without a prenuptial agreement I would likely end up paying whatever the court ordered. Going into marriage today without a prenup is a silly risk, especially for a man who has substantial assets or expects a traditional arrangement. I would never marry without one, but I will still play along with the hypothetical. Divorce would end most of my obligation to her as a spouse. Children would be different because my obligation to support them would continue re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 08:43 PM
–	CMV: There's nothing wrong with older men dating younger women for physique, nor younger women dating older men for money. The age of 25 is not a switch that suddenly turns someone into a competent adult. Brain development continues throughout adulthood, and a 24-year-old is not incapable of understanding mortality, fertility risks, financial motives, or long-term consequences. Treating every pairing between someone over 30 and someone under 25 as concerning replaces individual judgment with an arbitrary cutoff. An age gap can create differences in experience and power, but that is a risk to evaluate, not proof of m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 08:31 PM
–	CMV: There's nothing wrong with older men dating younger women for physique, nor younger women dating older men for money. Nah, some women actually do like it. Also, not every old person's stuff is sagging anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 08:27 PM
–	CMV: There's nothing wrong with older men dating younger women for physique, nor younger women dating older men for money. Men generally have to build themselves up, initiate, compete, risk rejection, and create the opportunity to date in the first place. If a successful older man prefers younger adult women, that legal preference should not suddenly be treated as morally wrong simply because others dislike what he values. The younger woman also has agency. She may value his money, status, experience, or lifestyle just as he values her youth and beauty. Either person can benefit more, misjudge the arrangement, or ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 08:01 PM
9	Women, do you prefer watching porn with big dicks? “Size does not matter” often means it is not decisive within a normal range, not that women have no preferences or notice no difference. A woman may fantasize about something exaggerated while preferring comfort, chemistry, and technique with an actual partner. Porn and smut amplify visually obvious traits because fantasy is built around exaggeration. Large size works as an immediate symbol of masculinity, intensity, or sexual power, just as male-oriented porn exaggerates breasts, curves, and se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 06:18 PM
–	Men who complain about not getting laid are making things worse for themselves and then it will only be used as fuel to make fun of them. Men should be able to vent about sexual frustration. Other people are not required to care, but their indifference does not create an obligation for men to remain silent. Bringing it into unrelated conversations or directing resentment at people who never asked is one thing. Discussing it when the topic naturally comes up is fair game. Some people may judge or mock a man for struggling, but allowing that reaction to silence every honest discussion only reinforces the same stigma. Accepting reali…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 05:49 PM
–	There’s a huge male insecurity crisis, and it’s becoming a huge problem Men not attending does not mean they fear single women. It means the events may offer men a poor return for the effort. Men are still expected to approach, entertain, compete, risk rejection, and often spend money while being judged heavily on looks, status, confidence, and income. Men can want relationships without being desperate enough to accept every available setting or group of women. If organizers must require women to bring men, that suggests the event is not giving men enough reason to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 05:32 PM
2	We’ve become so obsessed with proving our masculinity that we’ve forgotten what being a man actually means Calling it a psychological diagnosis was not claiming insecurity is a mental disorder. It meant assigning an internal motive with more certainty than the observable behavior supports. Pattern recognition can suggest insecurity, but it cannot establish that every braggart, bitter incel, or audacious fuckboy has the same underlying motive. Arrogance, entitlement, competitiveness, and status seeking can produce similar behavior. Those examples also narrow “feeling emasculated” into retaliating agai…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 05:27 PM
0	Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long. Male physical strength gave men a major advantage in agricultural and military societies, which helps explain why patriarchal structures developed. That historical explanation is much stronger than claiming modern female success comes from society rewarding mediocrity. Men's greater participation in early science also cannot automatically be treated as proof of a biological advantage because women were largely excluded from the education, institutions, and legal independence required to particip…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 05:16 PM
–	You should never take dating advice from women on reddit A lot of blue-pill advice confuses the minimum requirements with the traits that actually create attraction. Showering, being kind, and going outside may prevent obvious failure, but they do not generate confidence, social skill, sexual tension, status, or opportunity. Men who succeeded naturally often cannot identify what helped them because their looks, personality, social circle, or timing were always present. They mistake their invisible advantages for universal results. Others reduce everyt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 06:37 AM
–	You should never take dating advice from women on reddit A man is usually better off not taking dating advice from women on Reddit or in real life. The same applies to blue-pill men who repeat what women say instead of judging what women actually respond to. Women can describe what sounds appealing to them, but they do not experience the work required to create attraction from the male side. Reddit makes this especially bad because ideological approval replaces practical results. Men are told to wait for women to approach, avoid leading, and treat rom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 06:31 AM
4	We’ve become so obsessed with proving our masculinity that we’ve forgotten what being a man actually means Those behaviors can come from insecurity, but treating insecurity as their automatic cause is just mind-reading. Bragging, controlling others, refusing to admit ignorance, and putting people down can also come from arrogance, entitlement, competitiveness, or a desire for status. Feeling emasculated by a partner is not automatically evidence that a man's self-worth depends on outside approval either. A partner can genuinely disrespect, undermine, or belittle him. His reaction may be excessive, bu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 06:24 AM
2	We’ve become so obsessed with proving our masculinity that we’ve forgotten what being a man actually means Yeah, I know some people do enjoy trolling, especially if they can't debate. Anyway, I will have a good one for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 06:18 AM
2	We’ve become so obsessed with proving our masculinity that we’ve forgotten what being a man actually means Nah you are just proving me right thats all. Which is why you couldn't debate but have fun trolling.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 06:16 AM
2	We’ve become so obsessed with proving our masculinity that we’ve forgotten what being a man actually means Right to feed your ego.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 06:14 AM
2	We’ve become so obsessed with proving our masculinity that we’ve forgotten what being a man actually means You seem to have one involved since you aren't able to move along.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 06:13 AM
3	We’ve become so obsessed with proving our masculinity that we’ve forgotten what being a man actually means No ego involved at all from my end. Anyway, you are supposed to be carrying on, so there's no need to linger since you can't debate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 06:11 AM
4	We’ve become so obsessed with proving our masculinity that we’ve forgotten what being a man actually means I did comprehend what was said, which is how I know you don't have any. No "good day" to you for that rude uninformed comment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 06:07 AM
3	We’ve become so obsessed with proving our masculinity that we’ve forgotten what being a man actually means Masculinity is not merely avoiding anything associated with women, but that still gives no reason to declare men most masculine when they are connected to their femininity. That conclusion is simply asserted. Courage, responsibility, competence, emotional control, decisiveness, and protectiveness can define masculinity without requiring a man to adopt some opposite “energy.” Traits such as empathy, kindness, emotional awareness, and patience are human traits. Labeling them feminine and then clai…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 06:00 AM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? I never argued that women owe horny men time, sex, dates, or acceptance. That argument has been completely invented by someone. My position was that men can have sexual priorities and decide not to continue dating women whose expectations do not match theirs. Women experiencing objectification does not turn every man who prioritizes sex into someone who pressures, harasses, or harms women. Those are separate behaviors. If their values differ, they should leave each other alone and find compatibl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 05:51 AM
–	How did feminism changed the relationships between men and women in the last decades? Feminism has done quite a bit of damage to relationships between men and women, even while improving women’s legal rights, education, employment opportunities, and ability to leave abusive or unhappy relationships. The main damage came from removing traditional female obligations without equally removing traditional male expectations. Women were encouraged to reject submission, homemaking, sexual restraint, and dependence, while men were still expected to initiate, provide, protect, earn more, r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 05:31 AM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? That is wildly overblown. A man deciding that sex matters enough to affect how long he dates someone is not making his sex drive anyone else’s problem. He is setting a boundary on his own time and investment. The woman can reject his priorities, and they can part ways. Jumping from that consensual dating disagreement to men pressuring, harming, or killing women is guilt by association. Criminal violence does not invalidate ordinary men having sexual priorities any more than any other violent beh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 05:20 AM
2	Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long. Even if men have greater variation in IQ and modern society rewards physical strength less than it once did, patriarchy does not follow from either premise. Greater male variation would justify rewarding exceptional individuals, not giving men as a class authority over women. A meritocracy can recognize highly capable men without placing average men above capable women. The argument also confuses cognitive ability with credentials. If society rewards mediocre people for collecting degrees instea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 05:15 AM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? Never said anything about any forcing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 05:09 AM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? Women decide who enters their lives, and men decide where to invest their effort. If sex being a major motivation disqualifies a man, he can keep walking. That does not make his priorities invalid. It only means their expectations are incompatible. Millions of women may feel that way, and millions of men may still refuse to invest heavily in dating without sexual interest being clearly mutual. Women are free to reject those men, but men are equally free to keep their own motivations instead of a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/26 05:07 AM
1	Apparently being unlikable is “masculine”. I just explained how what I said made sense, you are just going in circles now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 07:03 PM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? Well, most guys aren't going to reveal that anyway. Having sex by the second date would likely avoid issues like that anyway. Since some men wont view that as too bad. I was more so talking about waiting past a third date	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 06:54 PM
3	Apparently being unlikable is “masculine”. Unpleasant is still one of them. You don’t get to ignore one meaning just because you don’t like it. Having multiple meanings does not make every meaning applicable in every context. The discussion is about willingness to disagree, resist compliance, and tolerate disapproval, not having an unpleasant personality. Replacing the intended meaning with another definition is switching meanings mid-argument. Part of being agreeable is being pleasant. You don’t get to change definitions just because yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 06:51 PM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? That is what women may prefer, but men are not obligated to date entirely on those terms. A man who is initiating, planning, paying, and doing most of the upfront work has every reason to care about whether sex is actually on the table. Not prioritizing it after three dates may make sense for a religious man, but a man with options has little incentive to keep investing indefinitely with no clear sign of sexual interest. Mostly desperate men will accept whatever timeline is offered because they …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 06:35 PM
4	Apparently being unlikable is “masculine”. As the definition does too. "Disagreeable” has more than one meaning. It can describe someone unpleasant, but it can also describe someone willing to disagree, resist compliance, and tolerate disapproval. The discussion was clearly about the second meaning. Substituting the first does not answer the argument. So AGREEABLE. Being pleasant is not the same as being compliant. A man can be kind, friendly, emotionally stable, and generous while still refusing requests, enforcing boundaries, challengi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 06:30 PM
1	Do women cover the tab on the rare occasions they ask men out for a date? Women who ask a man out and offer to pay probably have to like him a good deal, because they can usually remain passive and still receive attention from other men. Taking on the effort and risk that men normally carry suggests unusually strong interest. Some men may still assume they are expected to pay because that is the normal dating script, but most would probably appreciate a woman making her interest that clear. It is much easier for a woman to break the traditional role when she is highly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 06:02 PM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? Not fully, as I believe a man should get that for carrying the dating burden, like I was saying in my last message. Now, of course, if he is desperate for the woman for whatever reason, then I suppose it makes sense to follow hers. Of course, women don't generally like those types of guys anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 05:52 PM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? A lower orgasm rate does not prove men are selfish. Men usually have to initiate, risk rejection, pursue, plan, and do most of the upfront work required to get sex. Given that effort, it makes sense that their own pleasure is a major priority. Women often receive attention, validation, courtship, and dating opportunities outside of sex much more easily. Sex may be the main direct benefit a man receives after doing all that work, so prioritizing it is hardly some outrageous demand. Seeking sex is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 05:48 PM
6	Apparently being unlikable is “masculine”. You are collapsing being disagreeable with being unpleasant. The masculine trait is not acting like an asshole or trying to dominate everyone. It is being willing to stand on your own beliefs without needing everyone to like you. A man can be kind, friendly, emotionally stable, and generous while still saying no, holding boundaries, and refusing to change himself for approval. Your charity example actually supports that distinction. Doing charity because you believe in it is good. Advertising it…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 05:21 PM
2	Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating Market Yeah, for this to properly work, she should have to have a recording or something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 05:11 PM
6	Reproductive Risk Changes the Dating Market Men should have the legal right to opt out of parenthood before birth instead of being forced into it because the mother believes they should be fathers. If she has the final choice to continue the pregnancy, her decision should not automatically create eighteen years of obligations for someone who clearly declined parenthood within the same period. Some people defend child support because they believe responsibility will make the man stay involved. It can force money from him, but it cannot cre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 04:52 PM
3	Poverty has the opposite effect on virginity for each gender Virginity rates do not disprove unequal access. Having an opportunity does not mean a woman will accept it. She can reject available men and remain a virgin by choice, while a man may remain a virgin because he cannot attract willing women. The outcome can look the same even when the available options are completely different. Calling it “men choosing women they have power over” simply assigns a motive without proving it. Men may date women below their own level because they find them attractive…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 04:42 PM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? It may mean sex takes priority for him early on, and that is okay. Men are usually expected to initiate, risk rejection, plan dates, pursue, and do most of the upfront work required to play the dating game. Whatever motivates a man to keep making that effort should matter, especially if sex is the main reason the process feels worthwhile to him. Values can be evaluated continuously through conversation and behavior, while sexual compatibility cannot be confirmed without sex. A woman does not hav…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 04:36 PM
2	Apparently being unlikable is “masculine”. A lot of women have a hard time telling the difference unless he is an asshole to them personally, so it is definitely something that has and will continue to work in the favor of some men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 04:28 PM
5	Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long. Modern society gave women far more freedom from their traditional gender role without removing the traditional expectations placed on men. Women can pursue careers, casual sex, independence, or traditional family life and generally have far more social permission to choose between those paths. Men are still expected to earn, initiate, compete, protect, become independent, and prove their value before they are taken seriously. That contradiction becomes especially obvious in dating. Women can ear…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 04:20 PM
3	Poverty has the opposite effect on virginity for each gender Yeah, but women have the chance to deal with men who aren't much easier than men can with women who aren't. I believe that is the main point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 04:08 PM
2	Poverty has the opposite effect on virginity for each gender “Born with her looks” does not mean she comes out of the womb fully styled and never touches makeup. It means the foundation of her value in that situation is her natural appearance. If a little makeup, hair styling, and clothing are enough to enhance it to that level, that is not remotely comparable to the work usually required to become a millionaire. She also does not need to visit some “rich husband store.” Men at that level often make themselves available to exceptionally attractive women. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 04:06 PM
1	I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women. RP also keeps a man from making the relationship his entire identity. Maintaining his own standards, purpose, social life, and willingness to walk away prevents the relationship from becoming one-sided or based entirely on what he provides. A woman is more likely to remain drawn to a man who still has direction and self-respect than one who abandons himself once commitment is secured. Society often gives men advice that pulls them away from those qualities. They are told to seek constant approva…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 03:59 PM
1	CMV: People who complain that stay-at-home dads don't pull their weight in housework are people who were never interested in the lifestyle in the first place and thus should not have an opinion on the relationship style It means equality is being confused with complete independence. A relationship can be equal while both people depend on each other in different ways. One provides income while the other provides childcare and domestic labor. If neither person is ever supposed to depend on the other, that stops looking like a partnership and starts looking like two separate individuals sharing expenses. Mutual dependence is not inequality when both contributions are necessary and respected.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 03:55 PM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? She can be completely turned off by his timeline. That was never disputed. He can also be turned off by how long she wants to wait and leave. Neither person owes the other an arrangement they dislike. That is different from claiming his timeline proves he only cares about sex or values it above every other form of compatibility. It only proves their expectations do not match.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 03:52 PM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? Don’t try to be respectful with this response when you’re coming with the same silliness as the last one anyway. Your personal experience proves only that you did not feel disappointed over sex. It does not prove love magically erases sexual needs for everyone else. Two people can deeply love each other and still suffer because they want sex at different frequencies or have desires and boundaries that cannot be reconciled. Claiming that any man who cares about sex must only want the relationship…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 03:48 PM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? I am definitely capable of speaking on this, so I will stick to what I know instead of whatever these lies are that you are spewing. BTW It depends on the man. A woman may reject casual sex with one man and willingly accept the exact same arrangement with another man she finds more attractive. If she is into him enough, she may not mind that he only wants sex. Calling that “being used” is a silly way to describe consensual sex she also chose and enjoyed. He may not offer relationship value, but …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 03:44 PM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? That can be what the woman prioritizes, but she does not get to decide what must motivate the man. Men are usually expected to initiate, risk rejection, pursue, plan dates, and put in much of the upfront work to play the dating game. If sex is the main reason that effort feels worthwhile to him, that is perfectly valid. Sex being first does not mean conversation, friendship, values, and personality can never matter. Those things can become more important as he gets to know her. She is free to re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 03:38 PM
–	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? I am not assuming every woman enjoys casual sex. I am saying she can choose it because she expects to enjoy it, and she may actually enjoy it. Being casual or involving a man she barely knows does not prove otherwise. It can simply be a strange woman enjoying herself with a strange man. If the sex turns out disappointing, that still does not automatically mean she was used. She made a consensual choice for her own reasons. Assuming she must have been used simply because the man did not offer com…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/26 03:34 PM
2	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? It depends on the man. A woman may reject casual sex with one man and willingly accept the exact same arrangement with another man she finds more attractive. If she is into him enough, she may not mind that he only wants sex. Calling that “being used” is a silly way to describe consensual sex she also chose and enjoyed. He may not offer relationship value, but that does not mean the encounter has no value to her. She can value the sex itself without expecting commitment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 10:53 AM
4	CMV: People who complain that stay-at-home dads don't pull their weight in housework are people who were never interested in the lifestyle in the first place and thus should not have an opinion on the relationship style “A man who depends on her” was still accurate within the arrangement. Financial dependence does not mean he is helpless, incapable of working, or unable to leave. It means she currently provides the income while he provides the cooking, cleaning, and childcare. She depends on his unpaid labor in the same way he depends on her income. A nest egg, work history, or backup place to live gives him independence if the relationship ends. It does not change how responsibilities are divided while the rel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 10:49 AM
4	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? Caring about someone can make you handle sexual incompatibility respectfully. It cannot make the incompatibility disappear. Two people can love each other and still want sex at very different frequencies, enjoy different things, or have boundaries that leave one person consistently unsatisfied. Communication reveals those differences. It does not automatically resolve them. Respecting a partner means not pressuring them into unwanted sex acts. It also means admitting when neither person can be f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 10:42 AM
2	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? No it seems like you aren't understanding me well. The coercion distinction came from describing the man as “insisting” that she “has to” have sex within a certain time. Some women have debated me directly about sexual timelines being a form of pressure, and I have heard that argument plenty of times elsewhere. That is why I clarified that the timeline controls how long he is willing to invest, not what she is required to do. She can wait, and he can leave. That difference also explains why sex …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 10:38 AM
5	CMV: People who complain that stay-at-home dads don't pull their weight in housework are people who were never interested in the lifestyle in the first place and thus should not have an opinion on the relationship style A lot of the criticism sounds less like concern about housework and more like women explaining why they never wanted to financially support a man in the first place. The studies give them a respectable reason to reject the arrangement without admitting that they may lose attraction or respect for a man who depends on them. A woman who genuinely wants to be the breadwinner can screen for a man who already cooks, cleans, manages responsibilities, and takes parenting seriously. An average from a st…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 08:23 AM
3	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? Having a timeline does not mean demanding that she prove herself by having sex. It means deciding how long a man is willing to invest before learning whether that part of the relationship works for him. She is free to wait as long as she wants, and he is free to decide that her timeline does not work for him. That is compatibility, not coercion. Different qualities are verified in different ways. Religious beliefs and views on education can be discussed directly. Work ethic becomes visible throu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 08:06 AM
4	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? Yeah, because the toys they use are specifically designed to provide the exact kind of strong, steady, and uninterrupted stimulation that makes many women orgasm. That is hard for a person to compete with physically, especially if the woman is not very attracted to the man and therefore is not getting much additional arousal from him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 06:53 AM
0	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? Fat women defintely have options as well. They just may not have the best selection for a long term relationship. They will very likely have to be okay with dating within their own range, and they may not be too happy about the men available to them there. That does not mean they are treated like men or have no dating options. It means their options may not match the kind of men they believe they should be able to get.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 06:45 AM
13	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? The other reasons may simply be on the backburner at first, and that should be okay. A man's motivation to want to play the dating game has to matter too, especially nowadays given how much harder dating has become for men. If sex is what initially motivates him to take the risks, initiate, pursue, plan dates, and do much of the upfront work, that does not mean shared interests, conversation, friendship, values, or personality mean nothing to him. They may become more important as he actually ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 06:31 AM
8	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? Caring about sexual compatibility does not mean a man cares more about sex than the things you listed. Those things can all matter at the same time. The difference is that men are usually expected to do most of the upfront work in dating. They initiate, risk rejection, plan dates, pursue, and often pay without knowing whether the relationship will ever become mutually fulfilling. Sexual interest is part of what motivates many men to accept that effort and risk. Wanting to know whether sexual com…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 06:23 AM
11	Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex? A lot of women probably are not surprised that most men want sex. What they want is for there to be more behind the desire than just “you’re attractive enough and available,” especially when the guy is not someone they are already crazy about. If she is highly attracted to him, his sexual interest can feel exciting because she already wants the same thing. If her attraction is weaker, hearing that he wants sex can make her question whether he actually likes her specifically or would feel basical…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 02:41 AM
–	A lot of feminists would ironically hate it if most men took Feminism seriously. Yeah that’s why I don’t think it would become much of a problem socially. Society tends to have a lot more sympathy for women when biology or circumstances limit their options, even when plenty of men are dealing with worse outcomes in the same general area. So if men end up with fewer realistic opportunities to have children, I doubt there would be the same push to treat that as unfair or something society needs to address. Men are usually expected to just accept that kind of disadvantage and m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 02:16 AM
4	Most men would cheat if given the opportunity Yeah, exactly. I don't doubt those people exist, but I think they're more the exception than something we should expect from everyone in a happy relationship. What matters more is what someone chooses to do with those feelings.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 01:19 AM
3	hot take: men need to adapt more feminine traits to resolve the gender war Yeah, I don't mind answering it, but make sure you actually read the whole thing if you decide to respond back. I know I can go very long at times, but the answer is usually in there, and then I flesh it out a bit. I don't think I went that long with you, though, so I'm not sure how you missed it so much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 01:09 AM
4	I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women. That is part of why male expectations can stay much more rigid. Women can move away from traditional female roles when it suits them while still wanting men who are confident, socially capable, assertive, attractive, financially stable, and willing to lead. A man can be kind and dependable and still struggle if he does not create much attraction. That is especially rough for socially awkward men, because being a good long-term partner does not automatically mean he is being chosen out of strong …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 01:04 AM
3	hot take: men need to adapt more feminine traits to resolve the gender war No, that is not the same answer. My original answer was that men already take on many traditionally feminine roles while still being expected to keep the traditional male ones, so relaxing gender roles has to apply to men too. Your newer question about what specific forces would cause those roles to change is a different question. Saying I repeated myself does not make the first answer disappear or mean I danced around it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/26 12:46 AM
–	A lot of feminists would ironically hate it if most men took Feminism seriously. Feminists are already pretty comfortable with men keeping traditional male roles when those roles benefit women. Expectations around men providing, protecting, initiating, being financially stable, confident, and willing to take risks are still widely accepted, even in relationships that are otherwise described as modern or egalitarian. That is why the real test of abandoning gender roles is not whether men cook more, clean more, or become more emotionally available. Men already do plenty of tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 05:48 PM
–	If body count doesn't matter, why do women thenselves report feeling used after sex if it doesn't lead to a relationship? Some women complain about being used after sex because they hoped it would go further, even though there is no guarantee. A bad experience can cause the man to change his mind, which some women can't accept.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 05:15 PM
–	If body count doesn't matter, why do women thenselves report feeling used after sex if it doesn't lead to a relationship? Yeah, men don't have to lie. They can change their mind afterward, since sometimes they aren't feeling it after having sex, especially if it was really bad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 05:11 PM
6	The problem with modern dating is people don’t naturally trust and attract strangers. Since everyone’s too busy IRL for friends, dating dies Yeah proximity matters because attraction often grows from repeated exposure, comfort, familiarity, and small signs of mutual interest over time. If people spend less time around each other in natural social settings, they get fewer chances for that kind of attraction to develop. The problem is that a lot of modern environments make those interactions harder. Workplaces are more cautious about flirting, remote work removes casual contact entirely, and men in particular may be more hesitant to te…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 04:57 PM
2	hot take: men need to adapt more feminine traits to resolve the gender war That only works as a personal solution, not a market solution. If a man genuinely has a better, less stressful life by opting out, then going his own way can make sense for him. But that is different from saying men opting out can never affect dating norms. Markets change when enough people stop accepting certain terms. Men may desire women more on average, but that does not mean every expectation placed on men is permanently fixed. If enough men refuse relationships where they are expected to p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 04:52 PM
3	Most men would cheat if given the opportunity I think plenty of happy and loyal people still feel attraction or occasional temptation toward others. The important difference is whether they actually want to act on it. Some people may genuinely feel almost none of that, but I wouldn’t make having zero urges a requirement for being happy or faithful in a relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 04:47 PM
3	hot take: men need to adapt more feminine traits to resolve the gender war I didn’t dance around your original question. I answered the point directly. Calling it “dancing around” just because you wanted a different answer is unnecessary. Either that or you didn't read it well or at all. Men taking traditionally feminine roles while still being expected to keep the traditional male ones, so relaxing gender roles has to apply to men too is the answer. If you want to ask a new question, that’s fine, but don’t pretend the first one went unanswered.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 04:45 PM
6	hot take: men need to adapt more feminine traits to resolve the gender war Life not being fair does not mean unfair expectations should just be accepted. If men are expected to challenge their traditional role, then women should also be willing to question the expectations they benefit from instead of treating them as permanent facts of life. Red Pill self-improvement is not necessarily the same as endorsing every traditional male obligation either. A man can improve his fitness, confidence, income, and social skills because those things benefit him, while still reject…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 10:05 AM
6	Question for men: how would you like to be approached? Most men probably would be fine with women approaching in basically the same direct way men already do: start a conversation, show clear interest, ask for a number, or suggest getting together. A lot of men would also likely be more open to approaches that women themselves often dislike when men use them. Being a little awkward, somewhat indirect, starting with friendly conversation, or not having a perfectly smooth approach probably would not bother many men nearly as much. Personally, I’d be o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 09:44 AM
4	hot take: men need to adapt more feminine traits to resolve the gender war That may be true descriptively, but it does not really answer whether those expectations are fair or should remain. Women having little incentive to give up expectations that benefit them is actually part of the problem. Men are increasingly expected to cook, clean, be emotionally available, and take on more equal domestic responsibilities, while the expectation that they should still provide, protect, initiate, and be financially capable often remains. That creates a situation where the female …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 09:30 AM
3	Most men would cheat if given the opportunity Yeah, I think most men would probably enjoy having access to sexual variety if different women they found attractive were available to them. The reality is that most men are unlikely to ever have that kind of access in the first place. Even then, saying most men would actually cheat feels like a stretch. Some men definitely would, especially if their options suddenly increased, but there are also plenty who would still stay loyal. Wanting variety is one thing; acting on it behind a partner’s bac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 09:24 AM
4	hot take: men need to adapt more feminine traits to resolve the gender war That is an extreme wartime situation, not a good standard for everyday relationships. A government forcing men to defend the country during an invasion does not prove that normal social expectations on men cannot be relaxed in dating, marriage, work, or family life. If anything, Ukraine shows that male obligations become especially rigid when society is under existential threat. That does not mean men should permanently carry those same expectations during ordinary peacetime while also being tol…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 09:18 AM
–	How do you know your male partner is truly "normal"? A normal heterosexual man is generally going to want to be sexually attracted to his partner. Physical attraction is a basic part of why he wants a romantic and sexual relationship with her in the first place. Unless he is asexual or has unusually low sexual interest, attraction is going to matter. That does not mean he sees her as nothing but a body or only values her for sex. A man can care deeply about her personality, character, loyalty, humor, intelligence, and the life they build together …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 06:58 AM
4	Most men would cheat if given the opportunity I think false consensus is probably a big part of it. If a guy personally feels temptation pretty often, it is easy for him to assume most other men work the same way and treat the exceptions like they barely exist. There is also a self-justifying angle. If he believes every man would cheat under the right circumstances, then his own urges feel more normal and less reflective of his character. Saying some men genuinely do not experience much temptation forces him to admit men can differ a lot mo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 06:18 AM
7	The problem with modern dating is people don’t naturally trust and attract strangers. Since everyone’s too busy IRL for friends, dating dies Yeah, this is probably the biggest issue with modern dating. After college, people stop being around new people naturally, apps are a mess, women are more cautious, and a lot of men are more hesitant to approach. That leaves most adults going from work to home with very few chances to actually meet anyone. Building a bigger social circle is probably the best fix, but that takes time and effort most people barely have.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 05:47 AM
7	hot take: men need to adapt more feminine traits to resolve the gender war The problem with this argument is that men already take on a lot of the roles being described as feminine. Plenty of men cook, clean, help with childcare, manage the home, and provide emotional support. At the same time, they are still often expected to keep many of the traditional male responsibilities too: earn enough, initiate, protect, plan, be confident, and carry financial pressure. So it is not really women adopted masculine traits and now men need to catch up by becoming more feminine. I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 05:39 AM
2	Most men would cheat if given the opportunity Yeah, alcohol can lower standards in the moment, but it does not necessarily erase preferences. A woman who is already strongly his type is still likely to hit differently than someone he would only consider because he is drunk. So even in that situation, temptation is not equal across every woman. Alcohol may turn someone from “not interested” into “doable tonight,” while a woman he already finds highly attractive can create much stronger temptation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 05:19 AM
2	Most men would cheat if given the opportunity No problem. Yeah, denying those men exist is way too absolute. Some men really do become strongly pair-bonded and lose most of their interest in pursuing other women, even without religion, trauma, or a demisexual label. People vary a lot in how they experience attraction and temptation. Some men will still notice other women but feel no real urge to act on it, while others may barely feel that pull at all once they are committed. So it makes more sense to say those men are less common than to a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 05:10 AM
1	Most men would cheat if given the opportunity Neither sex is guaranteed to get the person they ideally want. Women can run into that too, especially when the men they are most attracted to will sleep with them but would not necessarily commit to them. That can make someone feel like they are “settling” even when the realistic issue is that their relationship standards exceed what they can actually secure. Men can settle as well, especially because most men have fewer options to begin with. But being married can sometimes change that. A take…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 04:58 AM
5	Most men would cheat if given the opportunity Yeah, that makes sense. Temptation is also going to depend heavily on opportunity and whether the women approaching him are actually his type. Turning down women he has little interest in is much easier than repeatedly being approached by different women he finds attractive. A man could be loyal for years simply because he rarely faces that level of temptation. Put the same man in a situation where attractive women are constantly approaching him, especially with alcohol involved, and resisting e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 04:50 AM
2	Most men would cheat if given the opportunity Yes, those men exist. Some men genuinely have little or no interest in other women once they are attached, and others may notice attractive women without experiencing any meaningful urge to cheat. That does not require them to be demisexual, religious, or traumatized. The mistake is turning a general tendency into a universal rule. Saying many men can feel temptation is reasonable. Saying every man does, or that exceptions are almost nonexistent, goes much further than the evidence supports. Men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 04:44 AM
4	Most men would cheat if given the opportunity Acknowledging that men can feel temptation is not the same as saying they will inevitably cheat. Urges, opportunities, and actions are three different things. A man can become more attractive or successful, gain more options, and still remain loyal because he values the relationship and has self-control. Emotional bonds are not worthless, but they do not magically erase attraction to other people either. The realistic position is that stronger options can increase temptation for some men, while …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 01:17 AM
5	Men trying to speedrun getting dates in non-inherently-date-focused spaces ruined it for everyone That may genuinely be what happened. She could have learned from past experiences and now delay sex because she wants a serious relationship. But that does not automatically change what her behavior communicates to the man. If she had sex quickly with men she barely knew but makes the “good guy” wait while he invests more time and effort, he may reasonably conclude that she felt stronger immediate desire for those other men. She may value him more as a long-term partner, but that is not necessar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 12:49 AM
4	No one is entitled to intimacy in marrige, but they are entitled to a healthy relationship The man’s higher libido does not have to be morally superior for it to matter. Sex is one of the main things many men want from a relationship, and most men have to work hard to attract and keep a partner in the first place. So its ongoing absence can reasonably become a dealbreaker. Her provision comparison supports that. A man is not obligated to provide, but a woman can still decide that a relationship without provision does not work for her. Likewise, a woman can always decline sex, but a ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/26 12:27 AM
6	Most above average men want kids and I think a lot of women that want a child-free life don’t fully realize that. Yeah, that is hard to predict from whether a man wants children. A man can be mature, responsible, and future-oriented while choosing not to have kids, or immature and selfish while wanting them. The desire for children only tells you what kind of life he wants. It does not reliably tell you how emotionally mature, responsible, or capable of commitment he is. It is better to judge those traits from how he actually lives and handles relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 11:28 PM
2	Freedom in choice feminism is overrated The argument is strongest when it says choice alone does not make something good. A woman choosing a traditional arrangement, expecting a man to provide, or keeping the benefits of gender roles while rejecting the obligations is not automatically empowering just because she chose it. That is where modern feminism often becomes inconsistent. It pushes equality when traditional roles disadvantage women, but becomes much more flexible when those same roles benefit women. Men are still expected to i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 11:25 PM
2	No one is entitled to intimacy in marrige, but they are entitled to a healthy relationship Sex matters because it is one of the main things many men want from a relationship, and it is something most men have to work hard to obtain in the first place. Telling them to simply accept losing it after commitment is not reasonable. A woman can always decline sex, but a man can also decide that a sexless relationship no longer gives him what he entered it for. It matters to men, and that alone is enough for it to be a valid dealbreaker.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 11:14 PM
3	Most men would cheat if given the opportunity Yeah, that makes sense. A lot of men would probably prefer more sexual variety, but most do not have enough opportunities to act on that preference without risking the relationship they already have. Staying faithful can reflect character, but for many men it also reflects limited access and the high cost of losing the one woman who chose them. That is why raw cheating rates do not tell the whole story. The average woman is exposed to far more offers and potential alternatives, while the average…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 11:04 PM
4	The Idea That "Men Should Pay For Dates Because Men Tend to Do Less Housework" Is You Admitting You Treat Men Like a Monolith Women generally expect men to pay for dates regardless of how housework might be divided years later. The housework argument often looks more like a retroactive justification for an existing dating preference than the real reason behind it. Some men do an equal share of the domestic work, and some do most of it, yet they are still expected to approach, plan, and pay in the beginning. That shows the expectation is usually based on the man’s role in dating, not on his individual behavior as a futu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 05:28 PM
2	social competency is WAY more important than height to attract women A shorter man can overcome the disadvantage, but he usually has to be very strong on at least one side of attraction. On the physical side, a highly attractive face, a muscular lean physique, or exceptional grooming and style can carry a lot of weight. On the social side, strong charisma, genuinely good humor, or high confidence and social presence can do the same. He does not need to be elite in every trait, but he usually needs something that stands out. A handsome or impressively built man ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 05:15 PM
1	Most above average men want kids and I think a lot of women that want a child-free life don’t fully realize that. Yeah, some women understand that tradeoff. They know a man who strongly wants children is unlikely to stay long-term with someone who is firmly childfree, no matter how compatible they are in other areas. So they either accept that the relationship probably has an expiration date, or they decide to have children because keeping that particular man and building a life with him matters more to them than remaining childfree. That does not mean every woman should do it, but it does show that dating …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 04:55 PM
5	do you wish to be a purpose for men? Some women do like being a source of purpose, inspiration, and family for a man, but usually only when it is a man they already respect and desire. Being deeply important to a man can feel flattering when she sees him as high-value, capable, and worth building with. The same dependence can feel burdensome or unattractive when it comes from a man she does not want. Then his need for love, family, or direction may be described as desperation, entitlement, or emotional dependence rather than devoti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 04:44 PM
4	You shouldn't compare people you've been intimate with eachother. It's a breach of trust and privacy for everyone involved. Yeah, that can happen, especially when someone has had many partners and starts sorting different men into different roles. One man may be remembered as the most dominant, another as the most exciting, another as the safest relationship choice, and another as the best provider. That makes comparisons more likely even when they are never said out loud. The current partner may feel like he was selected for one category while previous men were preferred in others. The issue is not simply having a p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 05:13 AM
11	No one is entitled to intimacy in marrige, but they are entitled to a healthy relationship Forcing sex is wrong, even in marriage. A wife’s body is still her own, and a husband does not gain automatic access to it because they exchanged vows. But marriage also comes with responsibilities beyond simply avoiding coercion. If one partner consistently refuses intimacy while knowing the other is deeply unhappy, that is a serious relationship problem. Sex is not owed on demand, but neither is a spouse required to accept permanent rejection and pretend the marriage is healthy. The issue shou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 04:21 AM
2	Red pill failed men Nah, for me, that's one thing that would never get old. Like, I'd like a family and all, but it would still be nice to have side pieces forever since sex is just so damn good I could never see myself tiring of it. If anything, having to put in work to get sex gets real old, which is what a lot of guys who do succeed have to do. That is way more tiring since it can be actual work, especially if the woman is of any type of real quality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 04:08 AM
3	Apparently women prefer to be friends first, yet dread the moment a guy friend develops feelings Yeah, when women tell men to “be friends first,” they often mean they are comfortable with a friendship naturally becoming romantic if they develop feelings along the way. They do not necessarily mean a man should deliberately enter the friendship already planning to make a move later. The problem is that they rarely explain that distinction. A man may hear “start as friends” and reasonably think friendship is a recommended route toward dating. Then when he eventually expresses interest, he is a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 12:05 AM
3	Red pill failed men Yeah, thinking about it, I know it has to be a lot of fun being such a guy. I had it pretty good myself, but I'm certain living like that would be a lot more fun since it has the perfect ease factor to it, which is how I like it. So much about dating is not all that fun, in my opinion, so being able to skip past it and have women fighting for my attention would be cool for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/26 12:01 AM
3	Women generally tend to be more materialistic than men. Yeah, some women can afford to approach dating that way because they usually have more options and more men willing to compete for their attention. When attention, dates, favors, and financial investment are readily available, it becomes easier to treat those things as the minimum rather than as generosity. That is why payment can get interpreted as proof of interest. A man who spends more is seen as more serious, while a man who wants reciprocity may be labeled cheap, even though she may be con…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 06:08 PM
3	Red pill failed men Yeah, it would've been a desperate attempt, but they might've had to offer her a chance to be with them if she gave their friend a chance for the night. Not my ideal way to get a woman, but I suppose if I'm struggling badly, then that can work for me. I've heard of guys getting an assist that way as well. That can definitely work, especially if she really likes the top-tier guy. Of course, he might go back on the deal later on, but for the time being, it's a great offer for her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 05:59 PM
–	A lot of people on here, especially men, speak about dating and "the chase" like it's a slog, a burden we have to face to get to the "fruit" It actually can feel like a chore for some men, especially when they are expected to initiate, carry the conversation, flirt, plan the date, create the fun, and absorb the rejection if it goes nowhere. Dating is enjoyable when interest is mutual and the man is getting enough positive feedback to feel like a participant rather than a performer. Your pool example sounds fun because you have friends with you, the setting is social, and the women are receptive enough to join in. That is very differe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 04:22 PM
2	Why the double-standard with approval of hairstyle between men and women. Because many women expect their appearance-related effort to be noticed and praised, especially by their man. Hair, makeup, nails, or a new outfit are often treated as investments made partly to receive attention and reassurance, so a neutral or negative reaction can feel like rejection. Men are usually given less emotional protection around their appearance. A woman may feel free to laugh, recoil, or say she hates his shaved face because she does not expect the same social consequences a man wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 04:14 PM
3	I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women. You’re narrowing this to friendship when the point was about placeholders in general. A woman can keep a man around for attention, favors, money, emotional support, housing, or relationship security while knowing she does not seriously want him. She may even reciprocate enough to keep the arrangement going. That still does not prove he holds the same place in her life that she holds in his. Having multiple friends is irrelevant. A placeholder is not simply “one of several friends.” It is someone…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 04:08 PM
3	Red pill failed men Yeah, being around a top-tier man can make an average guy disappear if the more attractive friend absorbs all the attention and leaves him hanging. But that also means he is doing a poor job as a wingman. A good friend will put a man on. He’ll bring him into the conversation, talk him up naturally, create openings, and signal to the women that they should check him out too. He can use the attention he attracts to help his friend instead of leaving him to die beside him. So the issue is not havin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 04:01 PM
2	The majority of men act in ways that encourage women's entitlement and narcissism. Yeah, it is also reinforced by how society treats women in general. Women are often given more patience, sympathy, protection, assistance, compliments, and accommodation than men are. Men are usually expected to handle rejection, loneliness, financial pressure, and social failure on their own, while women’s discomfort is more likely to be treated as something other people should adjust around. When someone receives that kind of treatment over and over, it can stop feeling like generosity and sta…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 05:10 AM
5	Red pill failed men Yeah, friends like that can be a huge help. They can give solid advice, introduce you to women, and make great wingmen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 04:49 AM
5	It's completely reasonable for men to view a ONS as more of an achievement than a relationship. You keep calling it an absolute dichotomy, but that is not the argument. I already said men and women can genuinely prefer a partner who is not the hottest person they have ever encountered. The distinction is whether the nonphysical traits add to real desire or merely compensate for the fact that the person could not secure commitment from the people they desired more. A woman can absolutely prefer a less attractive man because he is charming, dependable, compatible, and good to her. That is no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 04:47 AM
6	It's completely reasonable for men to view a ONS as more of an achievement than a relationship. I already pointed toward this distinction when I said the strongest kind of relationship is one where both people genuinely see each other as their top prize. That does not mean each person sees the other as the most physically attractive person they have ever encountered. It means that once attraction, personality, treatment, compatibility, loyalty, and shared goals are considered together, they genuinely prefer the person they chose. So I am not saying desire only counts when it is based on lo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 03:52 AM
3	I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women. Women can use men as placeholders too; it just often looks different. Instead of keeping a man around mainly for sex, she may keep him for attention, money, favors, emotional support, housing, or the security of having someone there until a man she wants more becomes available. Women usually do not need to use men for basic sexual access because attracting interested men is much easier for them. That does not mean they never keep men around for convenience or resources while lacking serious desi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 03:15 AM
6	I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women. That filter can screen out men who might actually make good partners. A shy or socially awkward man may struggle to approach, but that does not mean he lacks loyalty, stability, kindness, or the ability to build a strong relationship. If a woman only waits for the boldest men to approach her, she is selecting heavily for confidence and social aggression. So if that filter keeps bringing her cocky men, players, or “bad boys,” she should not ignore her own role in creating that pattern or turn aro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 03:08 AM
4	I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women. That’s exactly what many men are doing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 02:48 AM
4	Red pill failed men Yeah, that is one thing I’m glad about growing up in the modern era. The technology is great, but the bigger advantage is being able to hear firsthand experiences and advice from all kinds of people. Not every man has a friend who is highly successful with women, understands why, and is willing to explain it honestly. The internet at least gives men access to those perspectives and lets them compare the advice against repeated real-world outcomes. Advice like that may sound harsh, but seeing it …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 02:26 AM
5	I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women. I never said being shy makes someone more of a victim. I said repeated rejection, especially when a noticeable number of women talk down to the man or try to embarrass him, can wear down his confidence and make avoiding approaches understandable. Exposure can help when the experience is merely uncomfortable. It does not automatically help when the person keeps being humiliated. Repeated negative experiences can build resilience in some men, but they can also reinforce the belief that approaching…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 02:18 AM
4	I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women. Yeah, but if it happens quite a bit, then it will for sure feel bad. Not only that, but some men get talked down to when getting the rejection, which can also be very painful. So it's understandable that some may want to avoid that, especially if they have dealt with a good deal of it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 12:49 AM
10	I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women. May not be about shyness, though. Some men just may not want to approach.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 12:43 AM
5	It makes perfect sense to have different standards for casual sex and relationships and in fact, men do it too Men may have different standards for casual sex and relationships, but those standards usually are not nearly as strict in the same way. A man might sleep with a woman he would not marry, yet he will often still marry a woman he finds strongly attractive. Women are more likely to have access to highly desirable men casually and then choose a more ordinary man for commitment because those men would not offer them a relationship. That is why the comparison is not perfectly symmetrical. The issue i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 12:39 AM
5	Red pill failed men Yeah, that messaging did a lot of damage because it taught men to distrust what they were seeing and blame themselves whenever reality didn’t match what they had been told. Men were expected to accept flattering narratives about women, even when their own dating experiences kept contradicting them. The good part is that men can unlearn it. Once they stop treating every uncomfortable observation as misogyny, they can look at patterns more clearly, set better boundaries, and make decisions based o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 12:33 AM
3	If you, as a woman, pay for half the date, you are agreeing that a man is entitled to your body. Stop lying. I already told you the part I was addressing, so move along with these silly replies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 12:27 AM
4	It's completely reasonable for men to view a ONS as more of an achievement than a relationship. Nah, those are not the same thing. “Best man she could realistically imagine being with” means he is close to what she actually wants across attraction, respect, compatibility, and commitment. “Best available man willing to provide the relationship she now wants” can mean the men she desired more were available for sex or attention but not commitment, so she chose the man willing to fill the husband role. In both cases he may be the best relationship she can obtain, but the reason he ranks first…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/26 12:24 AM
6	Men who say you're afraid to approach women: afraid of what, exactly? Men do not have to personally experience the worst-case outcome before the risk starts affecting their behavior. A man may reasonably worry about being confronted by a jealous boyfriend, ex, or male friend, even if it has never happened to him before. More importantly, approaching can become genuinely discouraging when a noticeable number of women respond with ridicule, public embarrassment, or unnecessary hostility instead of a simple rejection. One bad interaction may not matter much, but repe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 08:23 PM
2	The gym is meant to be a safe space not a place for men to try to hit on or date them The problem is that this logic can be applied to almost any place where men and women regularly interact. People say not to approach women at the gym because they are there to work out, not at work because they are there to work, not at stores because they are shopping, and not in public because they want to be left alone. Taken far enough, there is nowhere left for a man to meet anyone. The friend in this story is not just flirting. He is repeatedly bothering women, making sexual comments, mess…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 08:14 PM
3	If you, as a woman, pay for half the date, you are agreeing that a man is entitled to your body. That isn’t true. You didn’t only say men are never entitled to sex. You also said the idea that a woman could be called a tease or a gold-digger for accepting what a man offers “doesn’t matter in any way.” That directly raises a second issue: whether accepting someone’s time, money, or effort while knowing you have no interest can still be criticized.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 08:07 PM
2	Red pill failed men Yeah, one of my favorite characters once said, "You must unlearn what you have learned," which is true for a lot of men who took bad advice from these kinds of people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 08:04 PM
3	If you, as a woman, pay for half the date, you are agreeing that a man is entitled to your body. But your post went beyond simply saying men are not entitled to sex. You also argued that taking a man’s money while offering no time or interest cannot fairly be called teasing, gold-digging, or otherwise criticized. That is the part I was responding to. Bodily entitlement is one issue; whether someone is using another person’s romantic interest for benefits is a separate one. Saying “he isn’t entitled to my body” does not answer that second point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 07:56 PM
2	The overwhelming are women are painstakingly disingenuous about gender roles. They want gender roles not because "it's sexy" and more because a laziness and convenience I was telling her what I just told you in the last message.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 07:54 PM
3	Common law marriages should not exist and are legal scams and are unfair to men Yeah, men need to understand that marriage and even marriage-like relationships can create serious legal and financial risks now. The biggest problem with common-law arrangements is that a man may never formally agree to marriage, yet a court can later decide that the relationship functioned enough like one to impose similar consequences. That creates a dangerous amount of uncertainty. A legal marriage normally requires both people to knowingly sign up for it. With common-law rules, the argument…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 07:58 AM
5	If you, as a woman, pay for half the date, you are agreeing that a man is entitled to your body. You are collapsing two completely different ideas: bodily entitlement and social reciprocity. No man is entitled to sex because he paid for dinner. That part is obvious. But it does not follow that accepting repeated dates, gifts, vacations, or financial investment while knowing you have no real interest in him is automatically beyond criticism. He may have no claim to your body, but you can still be using his interest for benefits. Paying your half is not an admission that he owns access to you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 07:36 AM
5	It's completely reasonable for men to view a ONS as more of an achievement than a relationship. Calling a man a “human dildo” does not weaken the point nearly as much as women think it does. For a man to be used purely for sex, he first has to be sexually desirable enough for a woman to want him without needing commitment, money, stability, emotional support, or the promise of a future. Most men cannot consistently qualify for that role, especially with attractive women who have plenty of options. So describing him as a sex object may sound degrading from a woman’s perspective, but it stil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 06:10 AM
6	It's completely reasonable for men to view a ONS as more of an achievement than a relationship. I’d say it depends on the kind of relationship. Building a successful family can be a much bigger life achievement than a one-night stand, especially when both people genuinely see each other as their best option and the attraction, respect, loyalty, and commitment are mutual. But simply getting into a relationship does not automatically carry that weight. A woman may choose a man because she is ready to settle down, wants the security of having a partner, or cannot get the men she desires most …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 03:27 AM
6	It's completely reasonable for men to view a ONS as more of an achievement than a relationship. I wouldn’t say using money or long-term value doesn’t work. It clearly can, but it is more likely to work on women who are already ready to settle down than on women looking for excitement, casual sex, or immediate chemistry. A man offering stability, resources, and commitment may become much more attractive once a woman starts prioritizing marriage and security. The issue is that this does not necessarily mean she feels the same raw desire she would feel for the man she chose casually. He may b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 03:10 AM
2	Men not enjoying being single and alone makes it easier for women to have power over them. The problem with this argument is that it treats wanting something as the same as being controlled by it. A man can want sex and companionship without allowing women to dictate his standards, behavior, or self-worth. Becoming “as cold as women” would only remove their leverage by making the entire outcome meaningless to him. That is not gaining power within the game; it is avoiding the game by giving up what he wanted from it. Women have the most leverage over desperate men with no options, not …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 02:56 AM
2	Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western world Yeah, a lot of women hate to hear it, but when it comes to dating, it's not really even debatable. Like, yeah, everything isn't perfect, of course, which some will try to argue, but in comparison to men, it's definitely the easy road.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 02:44 AM
7	It's completely reasonable for men to view a ONS as more of an achievement than a relationship. Yeah, for men, being able to get casual sex can demonstrate a kind of desirability that simply being able to get a relationship does not. Most men can eventually find some woman willing to date them if they are offering commitment, consistency, attention, emotional support, and the possibility of a future. That does not mean every man can easily get a relationship, but the relationship offer itself gives him more to work with. He is not being judged only on immediate sexual appeal. He is also be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 01:15 AM
4	Women objectively have it better than men in the modern western world Women in developed countries can have major advantages over men even when they genuinely do not feel privileged. People usually experience their own problems directly while treating the advantages they receive as normal, so a woman may focus on unwanted attention, safety concerns, or workplace frustration without noticing how much easier it is for her to receive sympathy, assistance, social protection, romantic attention, or institutional support. The valid argument is not that women never face …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/26 01:01 AM
2	Q4W: What do you mean by emotional intelligence? When women say they want emotional intelligence, they usually mean a man who can stay composed, understand social cues, and handle her emotions without becoming reactive, needy, or confused. She wants to feel understood without having to explain every shift in mood, while still seeing him as emotionally stable enough not to be pulled around by those moods. That does not mean endlessly validating everything she feels or turning into her therapist. A man can understand why she feels a certain way …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/08/26 05:17 PM
3	The overwhelming are women are painstakingly disingenuous about gender roles. They want gender roles not because "it's sexy" and more because a laziness and convenience That still doesn’t make her experience representative of women generally. “People pursue what they strongly want” is true in a broad sense, but it doesn’t tell us why desire develops differently between people or how common her specific pattern is. Women can strongly want sex and pursue it, while other women need familiarity before desire develops. Her low libido explains her behavior, but it cannot be used by itself to explain women as a group.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/08/26 04:56 PM
3	Do women really see men in shorts as less attractive? Exactly. A lot of the criticism aimed at shorts is really about how much of the wearer’s legs and proportions they reveal. Trousers can create a straighter, more balanced silhouette and conceal weaker areas, while shorts make the physique underneath a much larger part of the look. That is why the same pair can look excellent on one man and ordinary on another. Length, cut, fabric, and footwear can improve the presentation, but they are working with the wearer’s build rather than replacing it. Sh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 08:55 AM
11	The overwhelming are women are painstakingly disingenuous about gender roles. They want gender roles not because "it's sexy" and more because a laziness and convenience Your experience explains how attraction works for you, but it doesn’t necessarily tell us how women generally experience it. You’ve described yourself as unusually low-libido and closer to asexual, so your separation between recognizing a handsome man and feeling sexual desire may be less representative than you’re assuming. The fatherhood point also doesn’t automatically prove a biological mechanism. Wanting someone stable, trustworthy, and dependable can matter in a partner even when children …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 08:18 AM
8	social competency is WAY more important than height to attract women Yeah a 5'7 man can still do well, but he usually needs more going for him to create the same reaction. The taller man often starts with more room for error, while the shorter man has to earn that attraction through his face, physique, confidence, or charisma. That difference in how much each man has to compensate is what people downplay.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 08:10 AM
5	social competency is WAY more important than height to attract women The shorter the guy is, the more attractive his face will usually need to be to make up for it. A good face can offset height, but that combination is not exactly common for most men. Height may be a bonus for some women, but being shorter often raises the standard for everything else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 08:07 AM
4	Why do women lose interest so quickly? Agree to disagree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 08:01 AM
2	Preference to not date or marry victims of abuse Yeah, dating someone with that kind of history can feel intimidating, especially for a man who knows he may end up dealing with the effects of trauma he had nothing to do with. Past abuse can affect trust, intimacy, conflict, emotional reactions, and how ordinary situations are interpreted inside the relationship. Even if she has done a lot of healing, there may still be triggers or patterns that make the relationship more complicated. That does not mean the woman is at fault for what happened, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 08:00 AM
–	Why do women lose interest so quickly? No, I didn't. I addressed the claim that you made about me saying it's a personal shot. Yeah, you can circle back about it. Maybe someone else will go in circles with you about that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 07:57 AM
–	Why do women lose interest so quickly? No, it's not. It's way better than saying "shitposting." So if you have an issue, go ahead and report it. No, we aren't circling back. You can go in circles with someone else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 07:53 AM
–	Why do women lose interest so quickly? Not personal im speaking of the take.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 07:45 AM
–	Why do women lose interest so quickly? I didn't ask for your take. You're the one who decided to give me your irrelevant, silly opinion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 07:40 AM
1	The overwhelming are women are painstakingly disingenuous about gender roles. They want gender roles not because "it's sexy" and more because a laziness and convenience I can if I want to, just like you wanted to respond to my post when there was no need for you to announce your opinion to me that I didn't ask for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 07:39 AM
–	Why do women lose interest so quickly? Still not addressing what I said. so we can just end it there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 07:37 AM
2	The overwhelming are women are painstakingly disingenuous about gender roles. They want gender roles not because "it's sexy" and more because a laziness and convenience We can end it there you are just going to go in circles with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 07:37 AM
3	The overwhelming are women are painstakingly disingenuous about gender roles. They want gender roles not because "it's sexy" and more because a laziness and convenience Doesn't matter still doesnt change what I said.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 07:34 AM
8	Do women really see men in shorts as less attractive? I think this is mostly internet exaggeration. Shorts themselves do not make a man look unattractive or childish. Badly fitted shorts can, especially long baggy cargos or jorts paired with a sloppy shirt and beat-up shoes. A decent pair of chino or linen shorts that fits well and sits above the knee can look perfectly mature and put-together. The same goes for sandals. Clean Birkenstocks or leather sandals can look good in the right setting. Dirty flip-flops and unkempt feet are usually what peop…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 06:49 AM
2	I find that guys that don't try to befriend women (typically the nice guys) are the most boring, no wonder you don't get women The main issue here is that you seem to think his interest is insulting because you consider yourself out of his league. You are allowed to find him boring, unattractive, or annoying, but he did not disrespect you simply by thinking you might like him back. People do not need to prove they are good enough before they are allowed to show interest. Spending time together, suggesting activities, and doing small favors are normal ways people test whether there might be something more. Giving you a t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 06:28 AM
5	Why do women lose interest so quickly? That doesn't really address what I said. You're assigning motives to men instead of explaining why women are more likely to lose interest. If your explanation were the main reason, you'd expect men to lose interest just as often once they thought sex was possible. Yet men are generally the ones continuing to pursue while women are more likely to move on. Having more options is a much simpler explanation. When someone has plenty of alternatives, they can afford to walk away the moment their excit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 06:08 AM
4	The overwhelming are women are painstakingly disingenuous about gender roles. They want gender roles not because "it's sexy" and more because a laziness and convenience Not just any guy gets 10-20 matches per day and is that bad off looks-wise, which is what I'm speaking of, because even being able to get fat women can be hard for a lot of guys on the apps. So he is above their league with those results, especially since the comment you screenshotted said he is muscular.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 06:07 AM
6	Simps have ruined the dating world. Yeah, it's one of those long-established dating norms that a lot of women have little incentive to give up because it benefits them. For many men, though, playing by those expectations is often the only way they can realistically compete. Once enough men consistently approach, pay, plan, and put in the effort, those behaviors stop being viewed as extras and start being treated as the baseline. Then the men who don't do them can come across as less interested, even if they're simply treating wome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 05:40 AM
5	Why do women lose interest so quickly? That's part of it, but it doesn't really change my point. They're strangers from the internet for men too, yet men are generally much less likely to suddenly lose interest after a couple of days. The difference is that most men don't have the same volume of incoming options. When you have far more opportunities, it's easier to move on from someone you're only moderately interested in. Being strangers explains why there's less emotional investment. It doesn't explain why one side is generally in …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 05:33 AM
3	The overwhelming are women are painstakingly disingenuous about gender roles. They want gender roles not because "it's sexy" and more because a laziness and convenience Terrible example. This mainly shows they shouldn't go for men well out of their league. Usually women go for the "I tried it once or twice, and it failed" stuff, which is bad as well, to be honest but not as bad as this. Using fat women going for in-shape, muscular men is about the worst example possible. Also, this one isn't saying they made the first move anyway, only that they made it much easier for the guy, since he now gets a good number of matches.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 05:25 AM
2	CMV: The non-red pills have the more inconsistent and incoherent views of gender because they don't understand the difference between positive rights and negative rights That only gets you to a stalemate on the premises. It doesn't establish your premise is the correct one. You've argued your framework is more internally consistent. You haven't established why consistency alone makes it the right moral framework. That's still the unresolved part. So anyway its best to end it there as it isnt really going anywhere.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 05:18 AM
16	Why do women lose interest so quickly? Because most women can afford to. They generally have far more dating options than the average man, so if they stop feeling excited or someone else catches their attention, it's much easier for them to move on. They don't have to force interest when another opportunity is usually right around the corner. That doesn't necessarily mean they were lying about being interested at the start. It just means their level of interest wasn't high enough to keep investing once something changed or another op…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 01:17 AM
34	social competency is WAY more important than height to attract women I think personality can absolutely overcome height, but people often leave out how much more work it takes. A shorter guy usually has to be exceptional socially to make up for a trait that many women filter on immediately. So yes, it can be done, but that doesn't mean height isn't a disadvantage. It just means some men compensate for it through confidence, charisma, humor, status, or strong social skills. Saying "personality matters more" without acknowledging the extra effort required paints an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 01:13 AM
1	Brutal truth: as you get old and the more you fail in relationships, higher chances you'll die alone Yeah I did say that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 01:09 AM
3	CMV: The non-red pills have the more inconsistent and incoherent views of gender because they don't understand the difference between positive rights and negative rights That's fine, but you're still starting from premises you haven't justified while criticizing others for doing the same thing. Internal consistency is valuable, but it doesn't make your framework correct. It just means your conclusions follow from your premises.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/26 01:07 AM
1	Brutal truth: as you get old and the more you fail in relationships, higher chances you'll die alone I think this applies much more to women than men. Women generally have far more opportunities throughout their lives to find a partner, so if they repeatedly pass on good options or assume there's always someone better around the corner, they can absolutely waste those opportunities. As women get older, the dating pool changes. More men are married, have kids, or simply aren't interested, and it's much harder to recreate the same number of options they had in their twenties. For men, age isn't u…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 07:30 PM
3	CMV: The non-red pills have the more inconsistent and incoherent views of gender because they don't understand the difference between positive rights and negative rights I don't think your framework is internally inconsistent. The issue is that internal consistency doesn't establish that your starting premise is correct. Even if all negative rights can coexist while positive rights eventually conflict, that only shows positive rights involve tradeoffs. It doesn't establish that every positive right is therefore invalid. That's the alternative you're asking for. Someone can consistently believe some positive rights are justified despite those tradeoffs. They're n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 07:24 PM
3	CMV: The non-red pills have the more inconsistent and incoherent views of gender because they don't understand the difference between positive rights and negative rights Child support must necessarily be described as both a negative rights and a positive rights issue... I don't disagree that child support can be described that way. My point is that putting both issues into the same positive versus negative rights category still doesn't establish that the comparison to abortion follows. Sharing the same framework doesn't make two issues equivalent or show they deserve the same level of controversy. Whether or not something is controversial depends on literally wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 07:01 PM
5	The overwhelming are women are painstakingly disingenuous about gender roles. They want gender roles not because "it's sexy" and more because a laziness and convenience That's because making dating more equal would also mean making it harder for women. Right now, men are generally expected to create the opportunity. They're the ones expected to approach, initiate, ask for the date, risk rejection, move things forward, and often pay along the way. Women don't have to take on nearly as much of that burden. If women started approaching, asking men out, initiating more often, and paying more frequently, dating would become more balanced. It would also require them …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 06:45 PM
3	Q4W: How would you vet another woman if you were looking for one to date? Yeah, that's the irony. Men are often told they should have recognized the red flags, yet when they point those same red flags out early, they're labeled misogynistic or told they're overthinking it. It's hard to "know better" when you're constantly being shamed for noticing the very things people later admit were problems.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 06:40 PM
1	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. No, you keep making up that I was saying that. I explained to you several times what the deal actually was. You are just going to try to force this idea regardless, which is untrue, of course. Anyway we can end it there since you cant have an honest debate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 06:37 PM
1	CMV: The non-red pills have the more inconsistent and incoherent views of gender because they don't understand the difference between positive rights and negative rights You're attacking a comparison as if it has to be identical in every detail to be valid. It doesn't. The point isn't that pregnancy and military service are the same experience. The point is that both debates involve whether the state can force someone to use their body, accept serious physical risk, and potentially die for an outcome they didn't choose. Saying women could also be drafted doesn't answer the bodily autonomy objection. That would only spread the violation equally. It wouldn't make …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 06:35 PM
3	CMV: The non-red pills have the more inconsistent and incoherent views of gender because they don't understand the difference between positive rights and negative rights Clarifying that you ground the positive right in the child instead of the mother doesn't really change the issue. The right is still being asserted against the man's negative right, so that part of your framework was already understood. The comparison to abortion is where your argument goes beyond what your premises justify. Child support deals with obligations to an already existing child. Abortion is fundamentally a dispute over whether the fetus has rights in the first place, when those right…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 06:29 PM
8	CMV: The non-red pills have the more inconsistent and incoherent views of gender because they don't understand the difference between positive rights and negative rights I think you're trying to fit too many dating issues into the positive rights vs. negative rights distinction, and some of them just don't fit. Take child support. That's not based on the idea that a woman has a positive right to a man's money. The legal argument is that the child has a right to support from both parents. You can disagree with that reasoning or how it's enforced, but it's not the same thing as saying the mother has a positive right to his income. The same goes for birth control. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 05:48 AM
2	People need to listen to the people they've dated more than the internet, friends, the opposite gender or any other external source. Yeah, it's usually not a good idea for men to take dating advice from women anyway. There's no way for them to truly understand what it takes to succeed in dating as a man because they don't have to experience that side of the process. They can tell you what they personally like, but that's different from knowing what consistently works for men. Some women can give sound advice, but they're usually doing so because they're looking beyond themselves and observing broader patterns rather than rely…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 05:26 AM
2	Most of the women who have difficulties dating are just low value as sexual partners. I know what you said, which is why I said plenty of women exist like that. Some don't even clean well in a place that should absolutely be clean at all times and not smell like catfish. It's not hard to understand what I'm saying, which is that both men and women can look quite unattractive. The thing is, men can't just apply makeup and go up in points like women can easily do. So that's why some like to easily speak about how there are a lot of ugly men out there but don't do the same for the w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 05:13 AM
2	Most of the women who have difficulties dating are just low value as sexual partners. Nope, it's the truth, and you know it. It's silly to act like there aren't plenty of low-value women that exist, so saying that makes zero sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 05:03 AM
2	Most of the women who have difficulties dating are just low value as sexual partners. There are a lot of women that are their looksmatch, though, ones that are also not the cleanest, so don't pretend being low value is just some male thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 04:56 AM
3	Spamming Cold Approaches is a dumb dating strategy. Calling cold approach a silly strategy misses an important point. It may not be the most efficient strategy, but for some men it's the only realistic way they'll ever create opportunities. If they don't have a large social circle, aren't getting matches on dating apps, and don't have women responding to their social media, then what exactly are they supposed to do? A low-conversion strategy is still better than no strategy at all. I also think it's silly that some women judge a man simply becaus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 04:52 AM
2	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. Yeah, you're just going in circles at this point. I've already addressed this several times, and you're still not responding to my main point. You're treating "he should have communicated earlier" and "therefore he's morally responsible for the relationship ending" as if they're the same claim. They aren't. I've already agreed that discussing it beforehand is generally the better way to handle it. That still doesn't explain why wanting biological certainty suddenly becomes dishonest or immoral i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 04:38 AM
4	Red pill failed men That's a much healthier way to approach any framework. You evaluate individual ideas on their own merits instead of accepting or rejecting everything as a package. A lot of men turned to Red Pill because the mainstream advice they were given simply wasn't matching reality. They were told that personality was all that mattered, that being a nice guy would naturally lead to success, or that women weren't influenced by many of the same things men consistently observed. When those messages repeatedl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 02:38 AM
1	Men on the whole are objectively worth less to date now than ever I believe Nah you didnt get anything across other then you being a drunk, lol. Being a turd to a troll isnt too unreasonable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 01:46 AM
1	Men on the whole are objectively worth less to date now than ever I believe I live in the States, and men do plenty of that for women as well. So it's that type of help, along with the benefits they will receive in dating, which is more than only dinner anyway. Regardless, you wished me adieu, so we should end it there. Like, damn, you can't even agree to disagree. That's ridiculous.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 01:40 AM
1	Men on the whole are objectively worth less to date now than ever I believe Nah it wasn't really one at all tbh, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 01:34 AM
1	Men on the whole are objectively worth less to date now than ever I believe Ok, you are now just going in circles with nonsense and pretending like this isn't a thing. Like, WTF. This is a very silly conversation you have started. Like, yes, it's widely recognized. Trying to pretend like I'm just making up with on the spot while on a forum that has literally millions of posts about such a thing is just too silly. I've entertained it enough. I don't care to go in circles with you. I don't even like doing that with women, let alone men, so we can just end it there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 01:31 AM
-1	What is Your Opinion of Myron Gaines, aka Amrou Fudl? He makes sense on a good amount of stuff, but his loyalty can cause him to drift in logic sometimes. Overall, though, he isn't nearly as bad as some will claim especially those feminists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 01:24 AM
1	Men on the whole are objectively worth less to date now than ever I believe You're moving the goalposts. First you said I made it up. Now you're saying, "Okay, men are expected to approach and pay for dinner, but not the rest." Those are two different objections. The expectation doesn't suddenly stop after the first date. Men are still generally expected to be providers, protectors, and the ones who demonstrate their value through what they can offer. That's reflected in everything from dating expectations to long-term relationship expectations. If you think that's "out…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 01:18 AM
2	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. You're treating the broken home as if it's something the man unilaterally created. It isn't. If she decides to end the relationship over a paternity test, that's her decision too. You're essentially arguing that because he should have anticipated she might leave, he's responsible for her choice. By that logic, anyone who raises a difficult issue in a relationship is responsible if their partner walks away. That doesn't make much sense. The relationship only becomes a broken home if someone choos…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 01:15 AM
1	Men on the whole are objectively worth less to date now than ever I believe You keep saying I made it up as if this is some obscure claim nobody has ever observed. Men have talked about this for years, and plenty of women openly joke or brag about men paying their bills, buying them gifts, taking them places, helping with housing, or financially supporting them. The entire dating process already reflects the same pattern. Men are generally expected to approach, pay, provide, protect, and prove their usefulness to women. Women are not expected to extend that same level o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 01:13 AM
1	Men on the whole are objectively worth less to date now than ever I believe Now you're just being silly. First, you asked whether men are more likely to help women than women are to help men. Now you've reduced my entire point to one extreme example and are pretending that's what I meant all along. If a guy exploits a vulnerable woman, obviously that's not assistance. Nobody argued otherwise. The point is that women are far more likely to receive genuine financial help, housing, protection, food, transportation, gifts, or someone willing to take them in than men are. Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 01:07 AM
1	Men on the whole are objectively worth less to date now than ever I believe I mean you can try to call it cute but it is the truth regardless. Anyway If it was "implied," then spell out the argument instead of acting like your conclusion automatically follows from your experience. Saying you went through the Canadian system and didn't notice a huge disparity doesn't establish there isn't one. It establishes that you didn't notice one. Those aren't the same claim. You also shifted from talking about government assistance to talking about life on the streets, then to wome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 01:01 AM
1	Men on the whole are objectively worth less to date now than ever I believe If you actually are drunk, that would help make these responses make a lot more sense. You say my point is "just asserted," then immediately respond with nothing but your own anecdotes. That's a pretty funny standard to set. Your experiences can be valid, but they don't establish the broader pattern any more than mine would. Saying you've been on welfare or lived in shelters doesn't address whether society, in general, is quicker to help women than men or whether governments devote more resource…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 12:20 AM
1	Men on the whole are objectively worth less to date now than ever I believe No, because this isn't about debating my personal experiences. We're debating whether society generally assists women more than men. Even if I gave you personal examples, we'd just end up arguing over whether those individual situations count. That doesn't actually answer the broader claim. Without question people are quicker to help women than men. Since men are generally more likely to step in to help women, and governments and social services also devote considerably more resources to women i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/26 12:07 AM
3	People need to listen to the people they've dated more than the internet, friends, the opposite gender or any other external source. Well, just because multiple people tell you the same thing doesn't automatically make it true. It could mean they're accurately identifying a problem, or it could mean they're all responding to the same trait that simply isn't attractive to them. You also have to separate actionable feedback from self-serving explanations. People don't always know why they lost attraction, and even when they do, they're not always willing to say it honestly. It's much easier to say, "You were too nice," "You wer…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 11:51 PM
1	Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View: Nah, it's completely the opposite way now. Most people believe women with zero evidence, even long after she claimed the crime happened. Wasn't Cosby accused by a woman that claimed he did something like 50+ years after she said it happened? Her word was taken very seriously, BTW. So nah, what you said is definitely not true nowadays. Now, I will agree that it was basically the opposite way years back, but that's been overcorrected.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 11:42 PM
3	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. I don't disagree that bringing it up beforehand is generally the better way to communicate it. Where we disagree is your claim that failing to do so suddenly makes him a bad or dishonest person. So when you say, "That's the whole point of this post," I don't think it actually answers my argument. My argument isn't about what the ideal timing is. It's about whether wanting biological certainty somehow becomes morally wrong simply because the conversation happened later. I don't think it does. At …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 11:36 PM
3	It is biologically optimal for men to die before their partner reaches menopause Your argument assumes the "optimal" relationship is one where both partners have perfectly matched libidos throughout life. There's no reason to assume that's the biological standard. You're also treating menopause as if it means women stop wanting sex, when menopause ends fertility, not necessarily sexual desire. Plenty of women remain sexually active after menopause, just as plenty of older men experience declining libido. The bigger issue is that you've taken one potential challenge and turne…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 11:22 PM
6	Q4W: How would you vet another woman if you were looking for one to date? I think there's another problem that makes this harder for men than people like to admit. Even when a man correctly identifies red flags, he's often discouraged from acting on them because of how his judgment will be perceived. Women are generally encouraged to trust their instincts. If a woman says a man gave her a bad feeling, had controlling tendencies, seemed emotionally unavailable, or showed other warning signs, people usually tell her to listen to her intuition and move on. That's conside…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 11:08 PM
3	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. You're assuming a paternity test automatically means, "I think you're a cheating whore." Why? That's an interpretation you're choosing, not something inherent to the test itself. A man can simply say he wants objective certainty before accepting one of the biggest legal, financial, and emotional responsibilities of his life. The point is to verify everything is as it should be, not to accuse his wife of cheating. Those are two completely different things. As for, "she can break up with you," oka…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 10:59 PM
4	How do women know what about personality turns them on? I don't think most women consciously trace it back to one specific personality trait. It's usually an overall feeling rather than a step-by-step realization. A guy might seem average at first, but after seeing him interact with other people, handle pressure, make decisions, joke around, or show confidence, she may gradually find him more physically attractive. She often notices the attraction before she can clearly explain what caused it. It's also rarely one trait by itself. Confidence, humor, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 09:34 PM
3	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. Ok im obviously answering for me with that since you asked me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 09:29 PM
2	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. Read what is actually said. That is my real answer, so do not try to answer for me. So again, I don't know if she did, but if she thinks I'm accusing her, I just told you I didn't care. It's for my safety. I can't know for certain if she had until the test is done, so I'm not going in with one mindset over the other. I'll remain neutral until it's done, then go from there. That is my answer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 09:26 PM
3	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. I definitely told you the answer to that. I said it doesn't matter what the reason is. If she isn't okay with it, then she can leave. Even if she thinks I'm accusing her, I'll tell her I don't know for sure if she did or not, but I'd assume not. Regardless of that it still needs to be done. Now, as for other guys, they may care to walk on eggshells with that. Me, not so much. I'm going to tell her we need to get that test done for my protection.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 09:20 PM
3	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. No, that's not the only possibility. Hospital mix-ups, lab errors, fertility clinic mix-ups, administrative mistakes, baby switches, and even rare cases involving things like chimerism have all happened. They aren't common, but they don't have to be common when the potential consequence is around 18 years of legal and financial responsibility.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 09:10 PM
5	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. Yeah, I suppose it's just such a huge risk for the man. If it were even close, I'd be more fair with that, but that's just way too much of a risk in comparison to her feelings. Regardless, it should be mandatory for hospitals to do one without either party asking so this can be avoided. All in all, I'd just want my woman to be able to understand that and not just automatically see it as me saying she is cheating, and to actually value the risk I'm taking on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 09:01 PM
3	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. Honestly, given that hypothetical, I don't think there is a perfect option left. If she's genuinely done everything she reasonably can, tried therapy, counseling, communication, and still can't move past it, then I think leaving is the better option. I'd be okay with that outcome because I wouldn't want either person trapped in an unhappy marriage. That said, I would still think she's prioritizing her feelings over a much greater objective risk that only he had to bear. So yes, I'd still view th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 08:49 PM
2	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. Then if she's genuinely done everything she reasonably can and still can't get past it, she should leave. I've already said multiple times that I have no issue with that. He should still get his certainty, and if she ultimately decides she can't stay because of it, then ending the relationship is the honest outcome. I'll still view her as selfish, though, because she's choosing to prioritize her hurt feelings over a much greater legal, financial, and emotional risk that only he has to bear. Othe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 08:42 PM
2	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. I have answered it. I've never said she isn't allowed to feel hurt. People don't choose every emotion they experience. The question isn't whether she feels hurt. The question is what she does with those feelings. If she genuinely wants to prioritize her husband, then she acknowledges that his desire for certainty comes from a much greater legal, financial, and emotional risk than the hurt she's experiencing. She can communicate that she's hurt, talk through it with him, seek counseling if necess…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 08:34 PM
2	Spamming Cold Approaches is a dumb dating strategy. It might be a dumb strategy compared to other options, but if it's one of the few ways a man can actually create opportunities, then it makes sense to have it in his arsenal. Ideally, he'd have a strong social circle, success on dating apps, and other avenues available. If those aren't working, cold approach is still better than doing nothing. The goal isn't to rely on it exclusively. It's to use it as another tool where it makes sense. A low-conversion strategy is still valuable if it creates o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 08:27 PM
2	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. I already answered that several times. I've consistently said she should leave if she isn't happy staying in the relationship. My point isn't that she has to stay. My point is that if she chooses to leave over a paternity test, then she's putting her hurt feelings above a much greater legal, financial, and emotional risk that only he has to bear. So yes, she's free to make that choice. I just don't think it reflects much concern for his position. If the man genuinely matters to her, his objectiv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 08:21 PM
0	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. Well, they see it as him being sneaky and untrustworthy, basically. As a man, if you aren't willing to risk it all, then it's a big issue to them, which is silly, of course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 08:14 PM
2	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. I already explained this to you several times. Actually, go back and read what was said so you don't have to keep asking the same stuff in circles.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 08:10 PM
1	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. I don't see why not. Other issues besides cheating can and have happened.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 08:04 PM
2	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. Well, I said a man can just not frame it as cheating, which is the smart way to go about it anyway. You said something like that earlier, if I'm not mistaken. I see no reason for him to just tell her he suspects her of cheating for no good reason, so they should just go in and assume it's anything else other than that. So that should save the hard feelings, unlike a man who is spending tons of money and time, which there is no way around if he is wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 08:00 PM
1	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. I think you're still treating these as equal when they aren't. A man's request for a paternity test is about avoiding one of the biggest legal, financial, and emotional risks he can face. If he's wrong, he could lose years of his life and many thousands of dollars raising a child that isn't biologically his. That's an objective risk with life-altering consequences. By contrast, the woman's side of this is that she feels hurt or betrayed by the request. Those feelings are real, but they're not co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 07:50 PM
0	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. I mostly agree. I also think the compatibility argument cuts both ways. If a woman genuinely cares about her partner, then his much greater risk should matter more than her dislike of being asked for a paternity test. She's already guaranteed biological certainty. He's the one potentially accepting decades of legal, financial, and emotional responsibility without that same certainty. So if she's willing to end the relationship simply because he wants objective confirmation, I don't think she's w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 07:45 PM
2	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. No I think you're still missing my point. I'm not saying she has to stay. She's free to leave if that's her boundary. My point is that if she's willing to end the marriage over him wanting biological certainty, then she's showing that her feelings about being asked matter more to her than the much greater risk he's is being asked to accept. A mother already has certainty by default. A father doesn't. He's asking for one objective fact before accepting nearly two decades of legal, financial, and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 07:37 PM
2	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. Well, then I guess that's how men should probably do it. For me, she should be okay with me checking regardless, given how much is at stake for me. If her feelings override my greater risk, then she doesn't care about me at all. So yeah, it would be best to leave that deal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 07:23 PM
1	Spamming Cold Approaches is a dumb dating strategy. I don't think it's fair to call cold approach a silly strategy. It may be less effective than it used to be, but for some men it's the only realistic way they're ever going to meet women. If they don't have a large social circle, don't get matches on dating apps, and aren't getting anywhere through social media, then a low-conversion strategy is still better than no strategy at all. I also think it's silly that a man is judged simply because he's approached other women. If he's single and genuin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 07:10 PM
1	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. She is if she automatically assumes he is accusing her of cheating. Regardless, his risk should outweigh her feelings if she cares at all about him. That is nearly two decades of payments that would never be paid back to him if something went wrong. I've yet to hear of any story where the man was made whole for not checking and paying for someone else's child. Maybe it has happened, but it has to be quite rare. So, all in all, he is likely looking to be out many thousands of dollars for the rest…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 07:01 PM
2	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. I agree compatibility matters, but I don't think your comparison is symmetrical. You trust your partner not to give you an STI because you accept that risk as part of the relationship. A man asking for a paternity test isn't asking you to eliminate all relationship risk. He's asking to verify one objective fact before accepting nearly two decades of legal, financial, and emotional responsibility. An STI and paternity also aren't the same kind of uncertainty. An STI is a health risk that either p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 06:45 PM
1	Tradwives reduce men to a paycheck and a bodyguard while Feminists want an actual partner. I don't disagree that women still face traditional expectations. My point is that they've eroded far more than the traditional expectations placed on men. Women have far more freedom today to reject traditional roles without the same social consequences. Meanwhile, expectations that men initiate, provide, protect, and lead are still common. So the question isn't whether expectations still exist. It's whether they've changed equally for both sexes. I don't think they have.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 06:40 PM
10	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. Your argument assumes the man's desire for certainty is inherently unreasonable. It isn't. He's about to accept one of the biggest legal, financial, and emotional responsibilities of his life, yet he's the only parent who cannot have biological certainty without verification. A mother has that certainty by default. A father doesn't. So why is it unreasonable for him to want the same certainty she already has? You're also treating a request for a paternity test as if it's automatically an accusat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 04:06 AM
0	Most of the women who have difficulties dating are just low value as sexual partners. I mostly agree with his underlying point, but I'd frame it more narrowly. I do think a woman's attitude toward male sexuality has a significant impact on her dating success. If she consistently views normal male sexual interest as something gross, predatory, or inherently wrong, she's probably going to have a harder time building relationships with men. Men generally place more importance on sex than women do, so treating that aspect of male nature with constant suspicion is naturally going to c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 03:53 AM
2	Tradwives reduce men to a paycheck and a bodyguard while Feminists want an actual partner. I think we're actually closer than you think, because you've shifted the argument again. Originally you argued this pattern wasn't real. Then you argued I couldn't point to a single feminist. Now you're saying the expectations exist, but they're spread across different women rather than concentrated in one. That's a different claim from where we started. But I also think you're still misunderstanding my point. I've never argued that every woman expects every item on the list. In fact, I've repea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 03:40 AM
1	There is no excuse for a man to wait until after a woman is pregnant to tell her that he wants a paternity test. Your entire argument only considers the woman's feelings. What about his? If she genuinely loves and cares about her man, why wouldn't she understand why he'd want certainty before taking on one of the biggest legal, financial, and emotional responsibilities of his life? She already has biological certainty. He doesn't. If she expects empathy for her feelings, why shouldn't she extend the same empathy to his? You're also assuming that asking for a paternity test is the same as accusing her of ch…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 03:37 AM
–	Tradwives reduce men to a paycheck and a bodyguard while Feminists want an actual partner. This is a different argument than where we started. Originally, your position was that this pattern wasn't real and that I was just projecting my feelings. Now you're saying it could exist, but I haven't shown it's prevalent enough to attribute to modern feminism. Those aren't the same claim. As for evidence, I never said every feminist or even most feminists fit that description. I said it's a pattern I think exists often enough to be worth talking about. If you disagree with how common it is, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 07:57 PM
7	Red pill failed men Yeah, I know they don't have to be that fine at all, even though some people pretend that's the case. Basically, as long as they aren't obese and don't have a horrible face, they'll have it pretty good. Even when they are, they can still usually get their looksmatch, which is a win that most guys would love to have, especially being able to get their looksmatch without a ton of baggage like some men have to deal with when they're finally able to get someone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 07:21 PM
4	the birth rate topic is silly No, I read it. The problem is you keep changing what my position is instead of responding to what I actually said. I've clarified my argument multiple times, and each time you reply to a different one. We're just going in circles at this point, so it's best we leave it there. I expected better from someone claiming to be RP, but you've spent more time reframing my position than actually addressing it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 07:08 PM
5	the birth rate topic is silly You're still arguing against a point I never made. I never said men are currently worried about fatherhood before a child exists. I said governments care about declining births and family formation because they create demographic and economic problems. Your argument is basically, "if women don't want babies, there are no fathers." That's exactly why governments introduce incentives when birth rates become a problem. They don't just accept permanently declining populations. And saying "women don'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 07:01 PM
3	Women care about personality but only if they know you for some time Well, it depends on how unattractive he is versus how fun and funny his personality is. Men can get a pass if they have a good combination of things, or at least are great at one. That's definitely one way some men get a pass, but it's still very hard to do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 06:46 PM
–	Tradwives reduce men to a paycheck and a bodyguard while Feminists want an actual partner. You're moving the goalposts from "this pattern exists" to "name one person who perfectly embodies every part of it." Those aren't the same claim. A broader pattern doesn't require every self-identified feminist to hold every expectation. That's how patterns work. We talk about political, cultural, and social trends all the time without claiming every individual fits them perfectly. Your personal circle also doesn't disprove a broader pattern. Saying "my wife is a feminist and she doesn't believe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 06:40 PM
6	Red pill failed men Yeah I know I still will call them out for being silly, pretending like its a real problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 06:33 PM
6	the birth rate topic is silly You're still arguing against something I didn't claim. The argument isn't that women naturally become interested in marriage because birth rates fall. The argument is that governments respond when birth rates become a serious demographic problem. You actually reinforce that point by saying women would have to be "begged and paid" to have children. That's an acknowledgment that incentives can be created to influence behavior. Whether those incentives are financial, social, or policy-based isn't t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 06:28 PM
4	Do you think heterosexuality dichotomizes gender? No, because you're taking a descriptive category and treating it as if it carries a philosophical commitment. "Heterosexual" simply describes the sex someone is attracted to. It doesn't imply they're attached to duality any more than "homosexual" implies they're attached to sameness. You're adding meaning that isn't contained in the definition. The same mistake would apply elsewhere. A left-handed person uses their left hand, but that doesn't mean they're philosophically committed to asymmetry. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 01:18 AM
2	Why is it easier for men to separate emotions from sex and sexual fantasy? I don't think this is as strange as you're making it sound. Sexual attraction and emotional attachment aren't necessarily the same thing. A man can recognize that a woman is physically attractive without wanting a relationship with her, trusting her, respecting her, or even liking her as a person. Physical attraction can exist independently of emotional investment. That's also why finding someone attractive doesn't automatically diminish how he feels about his partner. Wanting a long-term relati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 01:05 AM
3	The core of our problems might be a matter of Trust You're treating trust as the root cause when it's more accurate to say trust was a byproduct of a system that imposed consequences. Those institutions didn't create better people. They made bad behavior more expensive. A man who abandoned his family faced social shame. A woman who left had economic costs. Both sexes had fewer alternatives, so both had stronger incentives to invest in the relationship. Today those constraints are largely gone. People have more options, greater independence, and f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 12:58 AM
6	the birth rate topic is silly You're still arguing against something I didn't claim. The argument isn't "low birth rates magically make women want marriage." The argument is that if birth rates become a serious enough problem, institutions respond to that problem. Your own reply supports that. You said women would have to be "begged and paid" to become pregnant. That's an admission that incentives can be created to influence behavior. Whether those incentives are financial, social, or policy-based is beside the point. Sperm …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 12:48 AM
3	The real line between wanting something and acting entitled to it. A man can feel entitled if he wants. He can feel like he deserved a better outcome or that his time and money were wasted. Those feelings aren't really the concern. The concern is whether he acts on them by becoming hostile, coercive, or treating either the woman who rejected him or future women poorly because of those feelings. Feelings alone don't harm anyone. Behavior does.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 12:31 AM
6	the birth rate topic is silly Then we basically agree that the birth rate argument isn't a good argument. That still doesn't support your original claim. Saying "women don't care" is different from saying "governments won't create incentives." You also switched from "sperm banks will solve it" to "you'll have to beg and pay them." If governments end up paying or incentivizing women to have children, that's already an admission that incentives can change. The only disagreement left is what those incentives would look like, no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 12:23 AM
9	the birth rate topic is silly You're proving the opposite point. If there really is no incentive for women to change their behavior, then saying "birth rates will force women to marry men" was never a good argument to begin with. The question isn't whether women currently have an incentive. The question is whether governments and society eventually create incentives when low birth rates become a serious problem. Simply saying "there isn't an incentive" only describes the present. It doesn't answer the future claim being deba…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 12:18 AM
6	the birth rate topic is silly That assumes the goal is simply maximizing births, but governments don't just care about birth numbers in isolation. Stable two-parent households are consistently associated with better outcomes for children across many measures, and societies have strong incentives to encourage families, not just pregnancies. Sperm donation and IVF also don't solve the demographic problem on their own. Someone still has to choose to become a single parent, and raising children alone is generally more expensive …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 12:09 AM
2	Not having sex is an acceptable outcome Yeah, but if she isn't telling him to go away, then it's fine, as there's nothing against the law about asking someone something a bunch of times. So yes, my examples are what make it a real problem. Without them, it doesn't really make sense, because they're what demonstrate whether it can actually be a real issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/26 12:00 AM
4	Tradwives reduce men to a paycheck and a bodyguard while Feminists want an actual partner. Yes, I do. I explained it pretty clearly you just aren't understanding it. You're treating it like I'm describing one specific feminist instead of pointing to a broader pattern. No one said every feminist expects every item on that list individually. The point is that many modern feminists still hold traditional expectations of men while also expecting men to embrace modern expectations. That's why it's called a "laundry list" it's describing the overall set of expectations that commonly exist, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 11:58 PM
2	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former That still doesn’t solve the problem. You’ve narrowed it from “disagreement proves pathology” to “certain kinds of disagreement prove pathology,” but you’re still the one deciding which disagreements count. That keeps the claim insulated from challenge. You’re also making several positive claims of your own: that Red Pill men are nearly all traumatized, that its leaders begin from trauma, that its advice is fundamentally about control, and that healthy men largely reject it. Those claims carry a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 11:54 PM
6	Men need to display invulnerability rather I'd say vulnerability and invulnerability aren't really opposites. Having your guard down isn't what makes vulnerability attractive. Having your life together is. A man who can openly talk about a rough childhood, past failures, or insecurities without looking for someone else to fix them comes across very differently from a man who is still carrying those wounds around. The information can be exactly the same, but the emotional state behind it isn't. That's where a lot of the confusion comes fr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 08:15 AM
4	Tradwives reduce men to a paycheck and a bodyguard while Feminists want an actual partner. Modern feminism isn't the point. The expectations are. My argument was that, in practice, many modern feminists still expect men to carry traditional responsibilities while rejecting comparable traditional responsibilities for women. If you don't think that pattern exists, then explain why. Simply saying "that's not actual feminism" doesn't address the point I made. Whether you call it modern feminism, a subset of feminists, or something else doesn't change the behavior I described. My claim was…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 07:11 AM
2	Women are Not Entitled to Men's Credulity towards their "Lived Experiences" and Self-Reports Regarding Dating, Men, etc. I think the biggest issue is that actions usually tell you more than words. If someone genuinely believed the average man was as dangerous as some of the rhetoric suggests, you'd expect that belief to consistently shape their behavior. Instead, many women willingly meet unfamiliar men through dating apps, go clubbing, move away for school or work, and date strangers. Those aren't the actions you'd expect if they truly believed the average man posed that level of risk. That doesn't mean women nev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 07:03 AM
4	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former I don't think we're actually disagreeing about what RPW is supposed to do. We're disagreeing about whether many women who identify as RPW consistently apply the same reasoning. I don't expect RPW to advocate for men's interests. Like you said, people are generally self interested. My point is that if RP reasoning leads to conclusions that are uncomfortable for women, many self described RP women stop following that reasoning. They accept ideas like hypergamy, male initiation, or the realities of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 06:50 AM
3	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former I never said a woman should initiate simply because she's red pill. My point was that many self described RP women still hold blue pill views. If a woman is genuinely traditional and believes men should initiate because she also embraces the traditional expectations placed on women, that's at least a consistent position. My criticism is aimed at women who expect men to initiate, pursue, lead, provide, and adapt while rejecting comparable traditional expectations for women, yet still describe tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 06:38 AM
1	Not having sex is an acceptable outcome That's a wild comparison. Anyway, it's disrespectful and can definitely be a nuisance, but in a situation like this, if she isn't telling him to leave her alone, then he isn't really doing anything wrong. She may even be entertained by it, or he could just be joking around. Without more context, there's no way to judge it properly because the details matter. To me, a man doing this is likely not that serious anyway if its done legally. Doing that is pretty silly, especially if he's asking in cir…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 06:07 AM
3	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former Oh, okay. The way you asked it could've easily been interpreted as asking what kinds of views I meant, which is why I answered "blue pill ones." The main ones I see are expecting men to initiate and pursue while rarely expecting women to do the same, expecting traditional masculinity while rejecting comparable traditional expectations for women, putting most of the responsibility for fixing dating on men through self-improvement, defending women's standards instead of questioning whether some ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 06:01 AM
4	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former I think we're talking about two different kinds of accountability. I'm not saying RPW never tells women to improve. From what I've seen, it often does. My point is about whether the underlying principles are applied consistently beyond relationship advice. For example, does the same willingness to challenge women carry over into discussions about unrealistic standards, entitlement, hypergamy, expectations of male initiation, financial expectations, or how much women should adapt versus expecting…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 05:51 AM
2	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former I'm not sure if you're serious or not. I would've thought you'd already know what RP and BP views are. They're not exactly hard to find if you didn't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 05:44 AM
3	Women handle rejection worse then men I think that's part of it. Most men experience rejection repeatedly from a young age because they're expected to approach. Over time, most either learn to handle it or stop approaching altogether. Women, on average, are far less likely to be in that position, so when they are rejected, it can hit harder simply because it's a much less familiar experience. The incentives are different too. If a man stops approaching after a few rejections, there's a good chance his dating life largely stops with …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 05:31 AM
4	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former I don't doubt that RPW encourages women to look at what they can do differently in their relationships. That's a good thing, but it isn't what I was talking about. My point wasn't whether RPW gives constructive advice. It was whether self-described RP women consistently apply RP principles when those principles point toward conclusions that are uncomfortable for women rather than men. Those are different questions. A community can encourage women to improve themselves while still holding mostly …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 05:06 AM
2	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former I think that still assumes the conclusion. You’re saying Red Pill is a product of trauma and a need for control, then using that diagnosis to explain why Red Pill men reject your description of it. That makes the claim difficult to challenge, because disagreement itself becomes evidence of the pathology. There may be men who are drawn to Red Pill after painful experiences, but that does not establish that trauma created the framework or that its observations are false. People often become intere…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 04:53 AM
1	Not having sex is an acceptable outcome Nah, it's desperate, but it's still legal as long as they're just asking in a respectful way and aren't making threats or coercing anyone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 04:48 AM
5	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former Basically, they're mostly blue pill views with a slight touch of red pill, yet that's enough for some women to call themselves RP.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 04:46 AM
3	Tradwives reduce men to a paycheck and a bodyguard while Feminists want an actual partner. No, especially not modern feminists. They do not respect men more simply because they expect more from them. A person can demand more from you while still viewing you primarily through what you provide. Modern feminism often expands the list of expectations placed on men. Men are still expected to earn, protect, initiate, lead when necessary, stay emotionally strong, be confident, be sexually attractive, split domestic work equally, and provide constant emotional support. That is not freeing men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 08:23 PM
2	Not having sex is an acceptable outcome As long as the 10th one was done without ill intent, then all is good. It just looks very desperate, of course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 08:08 PM
3	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former I think you're framing Red Pill in a way that most RP men wouldn't recognize. First, Red Pill isn't the claim that "all men are traumatized." It's a descriptive framework for understanding recurring dating patterns and incentives. Whether someone adopts it because of a bad breakup is separate from whether they think its observations are accurate. Plenty of people only become interested in economics after losing money. That doesn't make economics "just financial trauma." Second, Red Pill doesn't …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 07:58 PM
3	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former In my experience, many self-described RP women seem to adopt a few RP talking points, but most of their views still align more closely with mainstream dating beliefs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 07:51 PM
1	Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment? I think some women do think this way, but I'd be careful about assuming it's literally every woman. What I do think is common is evaluating men based on what value they bring to the relationship. If a man doesn't stand out in any meaningful way, whether that's looks, confidence, status, ambition, humor, social skills, or stability, he has a much harder time competing. That's true because dating is competitive. People naturally compare options, even if they don't consciously think of others as "t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 07:48 PM
3	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former Yeah, they are pretenders for sure, and I've called them out about it. I believe one is a mod, or was very recently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 07:40 PM
–	Most people in comitted relationships retain backup options. So much that I think it’s completely normal and reasonable that they do. Get out of here. There ain't nothing wrong with saying that. If you took it as some kind of personal attack, that's on you. I never said you disagreed either. I said you were arguing against a point I never made. Those aren't the same thing. It seems like you're taking things the wrong way while also making stuff up. So if anything you will need to learn to comprehend better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 07:35 PM
1	Continuing a “Friendship” with a woman is not a good idea. Maybe so, but that shitty thing is the only way to really know for sure. This can, of course, be done if he were to ever break up with her as well, not just to see if he would be willing to cheat in the process of finding out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 07:26 PM
–	Men should also wear wigs, height boosters , normal makeup etc I'm sure some men would if it weren't a turnoff for a lot of women. That's the biggest difference. Women generally have far more social acceptance for appearance enhancement than men do. Some men can pull off makeup, wigs, or other enhancements, but they're the exception, not the rule. For most men, heavy makeup or obvious cosmetic enhancements are more likely to hurt their attractiveness than help it. Rockstars are an obvious example, but that aesthetic was also far more popular decades ago tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 06:14 AM
4	Women care about personality but only if they know you for some time Those examples don’t prove personality matters more than looks or money. They only prove that unattractive men can still get interest under the right circumstances, which nobody denies. The real question is who gets noticed, who gets chances, and how easily. Looks, status, social proof, and proximity all affect that before personality ever has time to work. A woman liking you after months in the same environment is not the same as personality overriding attraction from the start. Personality can…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 05:46 AM
4	Most people in comitted relationships retain backup options. So much that I think it’s completely normal and reasonable that they do. That's literally what I said. I said the research supports both. My disagreement was with treating back burners as something that only exists when someone consciously decides to keep a Plan B. Hyper-connectivity creates accessible alternatives whether people deliberately planned for them or not. You're arguing with a point I never made.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 05:38 AM
5	CMV: On the topics of "red pill women should avoid dating red pill men" vs "red pill men should avoid dating red pill women," the latter is more true, even though people are more likely to say the former I think there's an important distinction between female MRAs and self-described RP women. A female MRA can agree that men get a bad deal in a lot of areas without needing to adopt Red Pill as an overall worldview. A lot of women who call themselves RP, though, seem to adopt just enough of it to stand out while keeping most of the same blue pill beliefs that benefit them. You'll hear them agree with things like hypergamy, that men have to initiate, or that modern dating is harder for men. Those a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 05:35 AM
4	Most people in comitted relationships retain backup options. So much that I think it’s completely normal and reasonable that they do. I think you're overstating how deliberate this has to be. Research on "back burners" does support the idea that many people keep former romantic or sexual interests within reach through texting or social media. Those are typically exes, former flings, or people where attraction already existed, not people they simply rejected. Where I'd disagree is assuming this only counts if someone is consciously keeping a backup. People stay connected for all kinds of reasons, but those connections still bec…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 04:30 AM
3	Continuing a “Friendship” with a woman is not a good idea. There's no way to know for sure unless he actually gets an opportunity. Even if you created one as a test, if he doesn't take a genuine opportunity, then it's reasonable to think he's probably moved on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 04:23 AM
1	Why is relationship a womans job? I don't think we're actually that far apart. When I said "better," I wasn't necessarily talking about being a better person. I meant better in the traits that drive attraction. If a woman says she wants a man she respects and who has qualities superior to other men she's met, that can still mean she wants someone she perceives as above average in the qualities she cares about. Where I think we differ is that I believe many women don't consciously frame that as wanting someone "better than me." T…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 12:38 AM
2	Self-proclaimed "nice guys" are not nice guys Which reinforces my point. Society handed men the script first, then mocked some of them for following it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 12:32 AM
1	Men choose the wrong women for ltr or marriage No. My point depends on those two things not being equal. A long term relationship with a looksmatch tells you someone is willing to choose you for commitment. Casual attention from a higher-level man only tells you someone is willing to sleep with you. Those communicate completely different things. The problem is that repeated casual attention can blur the line between temporary desire and genuine relationship interest. Once that line starts to blur, it's much easier to become confused about wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 12:30 AM
1	Women like dominant and aggressive men, even if they date nice guys My eyes are open enough to know that one study doesn't prove the sweeping claim you're making. The study you're referring to doesn't show that "women have a natural predisposition for liking cruelty and violence." It examined neural responses to seeing unfair people receive punishment. That's a huge leap from enjoying justice or punishment to being sexually attracted to violence itself. The claim that women get sexually aroused watching men beat each other up also isn't established by that study…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 12:24 AM
1	Believing a 50/50 man will step up later isn’t just naive - it’s risky I think this is the real concern many women are trying to get across. A 50/50 arrangement can be completely fair when both people are working full time and contributing under similar circumstances. Pregnancy changes those circumstances. One partner temporarily gives up earning capacity while taking on pregnancy, recovery, and a much larger share of childcare. Keeping the same financial arrangement after that isn't fairness anymore. It shifts more of the financial cost of having children onto the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 07:27 AM
4	Why is relationship a womans job? Better than them as well, of course they just would never admit that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 06:29 AM
4	Why is relationship a womans job? That is a distorted version of the advice. The point is not that a man should never care about his wife’s happiness or do anything for her. The point is that he should not build his entire life around managing her emotions, seeking her approval, or abandoning his own standards just to keep her pleased. A man can lead, provide, plan dates, show affection, help his wife, and care about what she wants without becoming passive or making her happiness his only purpose. Doing something thoughtful for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 06:25 AM
2	Women like dominant and aggressive men, even if they date nice guys First off I’m not your son, boy. Second, I disagree that women simply adore bullies because they humiliate other men. What they are usually responding to is confidence, assertiveness, dominance, and the ability to command respect. A bully may display those traits, but that does not mean the cruelty itself is what creates the attraction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 06:20 AM
5	Most men give their attention so freely to women that it doesn't mean anything to them anymore. That is the bigger issue. Unless a man is already top tier, he is still usually expected to pursue, create the opportunity, prove his value, and compete with other men for her attention. So even a woman who is boring, entitled, or has very little going on can still benefit from dating because men are doing most of the work. Women have little reason to give up that advantage. They can remain passive while men approach, plan, pay, entertain, and try to stand out. In a competitive dating market, so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 08:26 PM
5	Men following other men's advices because you "don't ask a fish how to fish" is pretty stupide Someone wanting money does not automatically make their advice wrong. A male dating coach can still understand what works with women better than women are able or willing to explain, even if he also sells a course or asks for donations. The real question is whether the advice works, not whether the person benefits financially from giving it. Plenty of useful information is available for free anyway. I have taken good advice without donating anything, so the fact that someone asked for money did …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 07:53 PM
3	male or neutral-targeted media criticized harder than female-targeted media I literally brought up female slash fanfiction as one of my examples. My point was not that it does not exist. My point was that women can sexualize male characters and rewrite their sexualities without receiving the same level of moral scrutiny that male fans often receive for equivalent content.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 07:45 PM
2	Men choose the wrong women for ltr or marriage I can believe that women want to feel uniquely valued, but that does not mean they always judge their looksmatch accurately. Attention from men above their level, especially for casual sex, can still blur the line between who desires them temporarily and who would seriously choose them. Her own-level men may also be less willing to provide constant exceptional treatment because they expect a more balanced exchange. A higher-level man can create that feeling briefly without intending commitment, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 07:20 PM
2	The cost of living crisis is in a large part contributed to by the ability of women to pursue careers. Women entering the workforce clearly gave them more freedom. They could support themselves, leave bad relationships, delay marriage, and build lives that were not completely dependent on a husband. That part is real. The tradeoff is that society gradually reorganized around two incomes. Housing, transportation, childcare, and everyday living costs began reflecting what dual-income households could afford. What started as freedom from financial dependence eventually became a system where many peo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 06:16 AM
1	Genuine question for feminists Healthcare and education are essential, but that does not automatically prove women are doing equally demanding work for less money than men. You would have to compare specific jobs rather than placing teaching, nursing, construction, and every other occupation into two broad gender categories. Nursing is not even a particularly strong example of low-paid female work. Registered nurses generally earn more than many construction workers, while lower-paid healthcare roles such as aides require ver…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 06:06 AM
3	Men choose the wrong women for ltr or marriage The issue is that many women may see themselves as higher than they actually are because they can get attention from more attractive men, especially for casual sex. That makes it much easier for their self-assessment to be off. Men above their actual dating range may still show interest, which can make their real looksmatch seem below them. So the pool is not necessarily small; their perception of where they rank can easily be distorted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 05:57 AM
3	Women like dominant and aggressive men, even if they date nice guys Some men not most.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 05:50 AM
5	male or neutral-targeted media criticized harder than female-targeted media A big part of it is probably that male and female sexual media are judged through different moral lenses. Male-targeted content is often interpreted as reflecting how men view real women. So fanservice, sexualized female characters, or violent fantasies are treated as evidence of objectification, misogyny, or harmful attitudes. The audience is judged along with the material. Female-targeted content is more often treated as private fantasy, emotional exploration, or harmless escapism. Even when t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 03:18 AM
8	Women like dominant and aggressive men, even if they date nice guys Yeah, most people simply do not know how to give useful advice to a man who missed those early experiences. That guidance was traditionally supposed to come from fathers or older men who understood how attraction actually works, but a lot of boys grow up without that. Instead, they learn from mothers, teachers, and especially female teachers, who may mean well but usually are not the best people to teach boys how to navigate the dating game from a male perspective. Media often makes it worse by …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 03:01 AM
7	Why do so many women end up choosing the guy who was simply more present? Consistency and presence definitely matter because attraction can grow when someone becomes a regular part of a woman’s life. Being around gives him more chances to build comfort, trust, familiarity, and emotional momentum than someone who only appears occasionally. That does not necessarily mean he won simply because he was there, though. There may have been other things he was doing better that were less obvious from the outside. He could have been more assertive, made his intentions clearer, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 02:12 AM
7	Women like dominant and aggressive men, even if they date nice guys Yeah, and it is not even just mainstream society repeating it, even though that alone would be enough to influence most people. Men also hear the same advice from their parents, friends, and other people around them who already accept it as true. Then the women they are interested in or trying to date often repeat it too. When nearly everyone in a man’s life is giving him the same message, it makes complete sense that he would trust it instead of assuming they are all wrong and relying entirely …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 02:04 AM
10	A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled " That still misses the distinction I’m making. His own attractiveness has not changed, but the realism of what he wants absolutely depends on who he is pursuing. An unattractive man expecting casual sex from highly attractive women is aiming above his level. An unattractive man looking for the same thing with women closer to his own level is not making the same demand. Saying “it only matters who he is” also proves part of the problem. His desire is being judged as unacceptable before anyone even…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 01:58 AM
–	It is not true that consenting homemakers are considered "valid" by feminism. That is the real contradiction. People will call staying home a valid choice when speaking abstractly, but they rarely treat access to that choice as an actual advantage. Women are still far more likely to have the option of being supported by a partner, stepping away from paid work, living rent-free, or contributing mainly through the home. Men are generally expected to remain economically productive no matter what, and almost nobody treats that lack of choice as a gender disadvantage. The mome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 10:41 PM
6	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. That still does not really refute the point. Saying women stop because “the juice isn’t worth the squeeze” only makes sense because they can stop initiating without giving up dating altogether. Men will usually continue creating opportunities for them. The hormone explanation is also mostly speculation. Men keep trying because refusing to approach often means having no dating life at all, not simply because testosterone eventually erases every bad experience. Women can decide the effort is not w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 08:50 PM
17	A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled " That’s fine, but an unattractive man can understand that he will not get the same results as a successful, attractive man and simply look for sex with women around his own level. Even then, he can still be made out to be the villain for wanting the exact same casual arrangement women would not question a highly attractive man for wanting. So unless a man ranks fairly high in looks or status, many women seem to view his sexual intentions negatively no matter how realistic his expectations are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 07:34 PM
11	A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled " Yeah, that claim is definitely untrue. A bad personality can hurt a man, but being a decent person does not automatically create attraction. Of course RP did a better job of explaining that then anything else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 07:29 PM
38	Red pill failed men Just because feminists insist Red Pill failed men because they hate the framework does not make that true. Red Pill is still one of the main places telling men to improve their looks, confidence, discipline, income, social skills, boundaries, and understanding of attraction. Pointing out what women do is not automatically avoiding responsibility either. Men need accurate information about the environment they are expected to succeed in. Personal responsibility does not mean pretending female beh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 07:24 PM
1	Alot of guys dont have friends and that really hurts their dating life. Because the general consensus is that they’re a joke and a scam. You guys keep forgetting that 50% of the population is male. That does not address my point. Whether people think inexperienced men are a joke, or whether men make up half the population, has nothing to do with whether dating involves skills that friendship does not fully teach. Men are not one unified group either. Plenty of men ridicule inexperienced men, repeat the same mainstream assumptions, or offer them no more understanding…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 07:20 PM
1	The Red Pill is great strategy just to for dating. Men usually have to earn their way into favorable dating situations through confidence, status, social skill, financial stability, or years of self-improvement. If a man builds enough value to negotiate a relationship structure that benefits him, there is nothing inherently wrong with that as long as the woman understands the arrangement and freely agrees to it. Having more options or bargaining power is not automatically coercion. Women use their own leverage in dating through beauty, youth, at…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 08:24 AM
–	Women Can't Be "Used" For Sex If They Consented. That's Feminist Victim Mentality Rhetoric. Yeah, some women call it being “used” simply because sex was the only thing the man ultimately wanted, even when both people willingly participated and enjoyed it at the time. Not getting the relationship you hoped for afterward does not automatically turn consensual sex into exploitation. If commitment was required for you to feel comfortable having sex, that needed to be established before continuing the situation. The man can still be dishonest if he deliberately promised or implied a future …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 08:12 AM
4	Most men aren’t “nice guys” Yes, let’s all take a moment to thank Red Pill for being one of the main reasons many men now understand that being kind does not automatically make a man attractive. It helped separate genuine kindness from passivity, approval-seeking, and acting nice because you expect a relationship in return. That still does not mean every self-described nice guy is secretly entitled or pretending to be decent. Some men are genuinely kind but struggle because they lack confidence, assertiveness, social exper…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 07:32 AM
7	Women like dominant and aggressive men, even if they date nice guys It may seem obvious once you already understand the pattern, but mainstream society often pushes back against saying it plainly. Women also tend to downplay how important traits like strength, stoicism, and resilience are in attraction. That matters when boys are taught from a young age that being nice, emotionally available, and respectful should be enough on their own. Not every man is going to ignore what parents, schools, media, and women directly tell him and rely only on observation. If th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 07:18 AM
7	Women like dominant and aggressive men, even if they date nice guys The point is not that Red Pill invented the idea that women value protection and provision. It is that Red Pill broke down how important those traits are, how they show up in attraction, and what happens when men ignore them, while mainstream advice often softened or avoided that discussion. That deserves credit even if some parts of Red Pill rhetoric go too far. A framework does not become worthless because certain people attach bad advice to it. You can reject negging, dread, or anything you b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 06:57 AM
5	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. At some point, dating complaints have to be weighed against how much responsibility a person is willing to take for changing their situation. Women can often remain passive because men are still expected to approach, create the opportunity, and absorb the rejection. That makes it much easier to declare dating hopeless after only a few bad experiences. Serious issues involving abuse, coercion, or illegal behavior are obviously different and should always be taken seriously. Regular complaints abo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 06:45 AM
8	Women like dominant and aggressive men, even if they date nice guys That’s a strawman. I said assertiveness is a major driver of attraction, not that it magically overrides looks, status, charisma, or social skills. Elvis had all of those traits along with assertiveness. The calculator-watch nerd example only works if you pretend I claimed assertiveness was the only thing that mattered.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 06:38 AM
19	Women like dominant and aggressive men, even if they date nice guys Nah, I’d disagree. Red Pill is one of the few spaces that consistently gives men this kind of information, which is exactly why it gets hated so much. A lot of it is nuanced and rational. It just isn’t always pleasant or flattering from a feminist perspective, so people act like anything sensible must somehow be separate from Red Pill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 06:31 AM
6	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. Approaching is always going to produce some bad results. A few men assuming you wanted sex does not prove women approaching men does not work. It only proves those particular approaches did not lead to what you wanted. Trying it a handful of times is not enough of a sample size to make a broad conclusion. Women can usually stop after a few disappointing experiences because they can still wait for men to approach them. Men do not have that option. A man may get rejected more times in one week tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 06:26 AM
5	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. If nothing else, both men and women should be participating in creating dating opportunities instead of leaving nearly all of that responsibility to men. Women do not need to approach every man they like, and men do not need to stop approaching. The issue is that initiating is still treated almost entirely as a male obligation, while women are expected to wait and choose from whoever comes to them. Women approaching more would give them greater control over the men they meet instead of depending…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 09:20 PM
5	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. College may be one of the worst places to judge this because the social circles are tightly connected. If an approach goes badly, gossip can spread quickly, people know each other, and both sides may act differently because their reputation is involved. That does not prove men generally look down on women who approach. It may only show that a few men handled a woman’s interest badly in an environment where every interaction can carry more social pressure than it normally would. Approaching alway…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 09:12 PM
1	Alot of guys dont have friends and that really hurts their dating life. I have literally shown you guys men getting rejected based on their behavior and profile, but you’ll still make it about looks. Still mostly about looks, though. And most guys think theyre a joke and a scam. Yeah, it's much safer to do that in modern society if men don't want any backlash, which a lot of people can't handle or choose not to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 08:59 PM
3	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. Yeah, especially if they do it somewhere public around others. I can see how that could go left if he is a stalker, but anyone like that would be a danger regardless of who approached first. So, if not that option, even them being willing to do that on things like apps would be more than welcomed. Of course, most women would have to be more open in their selection for it to be of any real benefit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 08:47 PM
2	We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logic Nah, the choice is hers to make at the end of the day. All I'm saying is, if she is trying to keep him involved when he wanted no part in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 08:42 PM
5	What does the future of dating look like in a job market that favors women yet many of whom still won’t “date down”? The end game is probably not some coordinated plan to keep women single. It is that education, hiring, and dating preferences have changed at different speeds, and the mismatch is starting to show. Women have moved into more professional and white-collar roles, but many still prefer men who earn more, hold more status, or seem more established. That preference becomes harder to satisfy when women are increasingly competing with men for the same limited group of prestigious jobs. Every woman cann…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 08:32 PM
47	Women like dominant and aggressive men, even if they date nice guys The real divide is not between nice men and bad men. It is between assertive men and passive men. Assertiveness is usually the main trait driving attraction. Kindness, loyalty, and respect can still be highly attractive when they come with decisiveness, sexual confidence, leadership, and strong boundaries. The stereotypical nice guy is often unattractive because his niceness comes with hesitation, approval-seeking, conflict avoidance, and fear of expressing what he wants. So-called bad boys are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 08:21 PM
2	We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logic They can be drawn enough to them, especially if it's just for casual purposes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 08:10 PM
3	Alot of guys dont have friends and that really hurts their dating life. That's assuming the problem is social skills without showing that it is. Plenty of men can hold conversations, listen well, and enjoy other people's company yet still struggle with attraction. Red pill isn't notorious for that, either, since that's where many men go specifically because they don't want to remain stuck like so many do with blue pill advice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 08:08 PM
3	We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logic Well, it all depends on if he was wanting the kid or not. If the woman made that decision for him, then it's not so bad. Otherwise, if he promised to be there, then he is for sure ducking his responsibilities, which isn't very easy to do long-term without facing jail time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 08:05 PM
3	We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logic I said that because women complain about dating in every way possible, including in the exact same ways men do. Women complain without taking action, complain without offering solutions, complain about not getting dates, complain about the quality of their options, and complain that dating is unfair. The behavior itself is not unique to men. Yes, anyone who complains endlessly without doing anything can become annoying. My point is that women do the same thing and are not always given the same r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 08:01 PM
2	We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logic Well, men have more of a drive to make something happen than women do, so it can make more sense from our end for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 07:58 PM
1	We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logic Yeah, most men can't afford to really do that and have any real options. So it's best for men to just play the numbers and not say anything about it to a woman, tbh, since most women will not understand that because they typically can't relate to it whatsoever. So anyway, the numbers game is the only real way, especially nowadays.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 08:31 AM
3	do you truly believe the bar is lower for men? Yeah, I was mostly talking about women who look noticeably unkempt in the ways she described, such as not shaving, doing their nails, managing facial hair, or wearing makeup. Even then, they will usually still be able to find dates. The main effect is that it may lower the range of men they can realistically attract, especially if they still expect men who are highly polished or conventionally attractive. Men often will not criticize those details out loud, but their preferences can still show t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 08:05 AM
6	Enshittification of sugar dating is a sign things are bad Sugar dating is not normal dating, but it can still reveal how expectations are shifting in the wider dating market. The arrangement traditionally existed because the man’s money compensated for disadvantages in areas like age, appearance, or ordinary dating appeal. The woman received financial support, while the man gained access to someone who probably would not have chosen him under normal dating conditions. The tradeoff was obvious. Once women enter those spaces demanding substantial money w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 03:05 AM
4	do you truly believe the bar is lower for men? Men do not necessarily have more leeway overall. A man who cannot properly take care of himself, stay reasonably groomed, maintain his home, and function independently can struggle to date at all. Women may face more detailed beauty expectations, but men are often judged on whether they are competent, stable, useful, and capable of handling life without needing someone else to manage it for them. The parenting standard is also different, not simply easier for men. Fathers are often expected to p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 02:44 AM
5	We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logic A man usually cannot just give a fake name and disappear as easily as that makes it sound. Most people meet through dating apps, social media, work, school, mutual friends, phone numbers, payment records, or places with cameras. There is often a digital trail connecting him to the woman even if he lies about some details. If a pregnancy occurs, paternity can also be established through DNA testing. Avoiding responsibility would require him to hide his identity, location, employment, and finances…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 02:33 AM
4	Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness? Even those dont if they date within their range.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 01:46 AM
11	We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logic Women taking more initiative would also make attraction less dependent on which men are bold enough to risk rejection repeatedly. It would give quieter men a clearer signal that their interest is welcome instead of forcing them to guess. It could also reduce the resentment that builds when one side is expected to create every opportunity while the other only evaluates the options presented to them. Dating works better when both people take some responsibility for making the connection happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 01:42 AM
8	We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logic Women already complain about dating all the time, though, and they are not always met with “put yourself out there” or “stop complaining.” A lot of the time, their frustration is validated, blamed on men, or treated as evidence that dating itself is broken. Men are more likely to be told that if they are unhappy, they need to improve, approach more, become more confident, or create better options for themselves. So it is not just that men care more. The two complaints are often received differen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 01:23 AM
4	Women should not have friends (man, woman, child, or animal). This is less about preserving hierarchy and more about isolating women from every relationship that might give them support, perspective, or independence. A husband can be her friend without losing authority, a mother can be close to her children without becoming permissive, and female friendships are not automatically fake. At that point, she is not being placed in a healthy role. She is just being told to serve everyone while having no real companionship of her own.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 01:10 AM
1	Women should not have friends (man, woman, child, or animal). This is less about preserving hierarchy and more about isolating women from every relationship that might give them support, perspective, or independence. A husband can be her friend without losing authority, a mother can be close to her children without becoming permissive, and female friendships are not automatically fake. At that point, she is not being placed in a healthy role. She is just being told to serve everyone while having no real companionship of her own.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 12:57 AM
4	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. You can disagree all you want but its not in there. End of story.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 12:50 AM
3	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. Definitely not, which is why you couldn't refute anything and just went in circles with your argument. Also, what I said wasn't in there was quite a bit of important information, so it's silly to act like it doesn't easily refute your studies when all that would be needed to make them make sense. Anyway, you said "good chat" and were ready to peace out, so I'm not sure why you're back, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 12:20 AM
1	Why doesn't the red pill push for expanded views of attractiveness? I wouldn’t even say men dismiss those kinds of women, because men start families with older, disabled, and overweight women all the time. The real issue is that those women may have a harder time dating above their league, which a lot of women try to do. In some cases, they aim far above it, so when those men are not interested, it can feel like men are dismissing them altogether. In reality, they are not being rejected by men as a whole. They simply cannot get every man they want, especially wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 12:13 AM
5	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. My points definitely refuted what was in those sources since that data isn't in there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 11:59 PM
3	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. I’m not saying the study is necessarily wrong or that women don’t donate more under the measurement it used. I’m saying that fact alone does not provide enough context to support a broader comparison between men and women, especially in everyday life. Controlling for age, race, and income is useful, but we still need to know exactly what “women donate more” means. Does it mean women are more likely to donate more frequently, give a larger percentage of their income, or contribute more money over…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 11:52 PM
3	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. Yes if most women’s money comes from earned income, then focusing heavily on gifts from men does not establish much by itself. I’m not claiming most women live off handouts. My point is narrower: simply saying women donate more does not tell us enough about the comparison with men. We would still need to know whether that means they donate more often, give a higher percentage, or contribute more money overall. Men could donate less frequently while giving larger amounts when they do. The source …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 11:43 PM
2	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. Oh, okay. Your comment was framed in a way that made it sound like you were saying women are more likely to do those things than men, especially since you were responding to someone who was directly comparing the two.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 11:40 PM
1	do you truly believe the bar is lower for men? The problem is that “the bar is low for men” is usually treated like a conclusion instead of something that has to be demonstrated. A man receiving praise for basic parenting or decency does not prove men are uniquely rewarded for doing less. Women receive the same kind of inflated praise for basic independence, competence, and adulthood. A lot of these comparisons also ignore trade-offs. Men may be praised more for being involved fathers because fathers are still often expected to be providers …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 11:35 PM
2	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. You keep answering whether the recipient can tell the difference between two dollars, but that was never my point. Of course the organization receives the same economic value either way. The comparison is between the people giving it and what each contribution required from them. Sacrifice is not meaningless just because it cannot be seen by the recipient. Giving $100 out of money you worked for and needed is materially different from giving $100 out of money someone else provided or money you c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 11:30 PM
4	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. If your only point were that women donate a meaningful amount of money and volunteer enough to contradict the idea that all women are selfish, that would be fair. My issue is with turning those facts into a comparison where women supposedly “give more of themselves” than men. Once you compare the sexes, the amount and circumstances matter. Women could donate more frequently while men donate larger amounts when they do, and a raw percentage does not show the total value contributed. It also matte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 11:26 PM
2	Having casual sex will help men have better relationships Well, men are more prone to have to lower their standards since dating can be much harder overall. Not exactly all that crazy at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 11:14 PM
8	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. You’re still focusing only on the dollar amount, while I’m talking about what that dollar cost the person giving it. Economically, a donated dollar has the same value either way, but that does not mean it represents the same level of sacrifice. If someone earned that money through their own labor, giving it away can mean giving up time, effort, or something they could have bought for themselves. If someone received part of their money through gifts, support, inheritance, shared household funds, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 11:12 PM
2	Having casual sex will help men have better relationships About him truly being the man of their desires or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 11:03 PM
14	We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logic It stays this way because dating norms are shaped more by results than by fairness. A woman can often remain passive and still receive attention, messages, invitations, and options. A man who remains passive is far more likely to receive nothing, so people treat his passivity as a problem because it usually leads to failure. Women are rewarded for waiting because men continue approaching them. Men are punished for waiting because women usually do not step in and create those opportunities for th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 10:52 PM
3	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. You’re treating two different questions as if they’re the same. Money is fungible in the sense that one dollar spends like any other dollar, but that does not mean every dollar represents the same level of sacrifice. If someone earns $100 through work and gives it away, they gave up time and effort they personally exchanged for that money. If someone receives $100 as a gift and gives it away, the charity still benefits, but the donor did not give up the same amount of labor to get it. That matte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 10:41 PM
3	Having casual sex will help men have better relationships Like I said earlier women don't share stuff like that either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 10:39 PM
3	Having casual sex will help men have better relationships It sounds like casual sex did do you favors, though. You said it gave you experience, good sex, good memories, and helped shape your standards. The fact that it also made attachment harder does not erase those benefits. That just means it had a downside for you too. It is more accurate to say it helped in some ways and hurt in others, not that it did nothing for you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 10:30 PM
3	Having casual sex will help men have better relationships Yeah, it might, but that wouldn’t be shared in most cases anyway, especially since women can’t relate to it at all, so they wouldn’t understand.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 10:26 PM
3	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. I never said money from men made up most women’s income. I said the study did not separate personally earned income from gifts, support, inheritance, investments, settlements, or money received from other people. Even if wages make up most of someone’s income, outside money can still increase how much disposable money they have and make donating easier. Women can also receive gifts and financial help from men they are dating or barely know, especially through online platforms, and none of that a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 10:23 PM
4	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. That isn’t what I was arguing. I never said stay-at-home parents contribute nothing or that all the money belongs only to the person earning the paycheck. In that kind of marriage, the income can reasonably be treated as shared. My point was that those studies don’t tell us whether the donated money came from wages, shared household funds, gifts, inheritance, settlements, investments, or support from other people. They also don’t measure how much giving it actually cost the person. Saying men re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 09:36 PM
2	Having casual sex will help men have better relationships Yeah, but even with that, it shouldn't matter all that much if he isn't mistreating her. Also, if he is sleeping with her, then something about her was at least somewhat attractive, which in some cases might not be the face but something else, like the body, which is what most are speaking about when they call someone ugly anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 09:28 PM
2	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. Women are able to get money from men, even ones they barely know or don't deal with seriously. Remember, it didn't account for boyfriends either, so we should account for stuff like that. There are so many different avenues for women to get money that most men don't have, which makes it easier to use on things like this. So that is the main reason I pushed back on that, since these studies aren't very good for what you are saying. If you want to take them to mean something, that is fine. I do th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 09:16 PM
2	Having casual sex will help men have better relationships That would only be deception if he pretended to want a genuine relationship so he could get casual sex. If both people understand that it is casual, he treats her well, and he makes no false promises, then he is not using her just because she is not his ideal woman. People generally do not list everything they find lacking in someone, especially early on. They accept that the other person has faults and decide whether the experience is still worth having. Men often do this because casual opportu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 09:02 PM
2	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. Well, I was mainly pushing back because that could be why they are more likely, which does make it not as special as when men do it, even if it is less in numbers. So that context should matter when saying that. Of course, it is still a nice gesture regardless, but when men do it, it's typically a better donation since it's money they actually had to earn more often than not. So yeah, I wasn't trying to say women are selfish. It's still a good thing for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 08:55 PM
2	Having casual sex will help men have better relationships Not used, though. She is agreeing to it and gets to enjoy the experience as well, unlike when men give up their money, where only the woman gets to enjoy that. Like I was saying, he isn't as into her, but as far as she is concerned, he very much is if he is treating her well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 08:39 PM
1	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. Donating more money does not automatically prove greater generosity. Generosity also depends on how much the person had, where the money came from, and what giving it up actually cost them. Women can receive money through gifts, support, settlements, inheritance, or even from men they barely know, especially now through online platforms and dating. Giving some of that money away is still a good act, but it may not involve the same sacrifice as giving away money someone personally worked hard to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 08:35 PM
3	Alot of guys dont have friends and that really hurts their dating life. Yeah, if they aren't the right type of friends, such as popular ones, then yeah, it won't be that effective, especially if there aren't any women within the group that he is attracted to and who are attracted back to him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 08:26 PM
6	Alot of guys dont have friends and that really hurts their dating life. Dating is not just hanging out with someone. Friendship can teach you how to talk, listen, and enjoy another person’s company, but dating adds attraction, flirting, reading interest, making a move, handling rejection, setting boundaries, and knowing whether the other person actually sees you romantically. Those are skills people usually get better at through experience. Knowing that personality matters is not the same as knowing how to build romantic interest. Someone can be a good friend and st…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 08:16 PM
1	Having casual sex will help men have better relationships I mean, that's still better than women who believe the man isn't all that attractive but will tolerate him because he is willing to spend on her. So there's no reason to try to call out men when women do the same with way less effort on their end.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 08:08 PM
2	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. That does show single women are more likely to donate and often give more than single men at similar income levels. What it does not show is that the money was personally earned through work. Income can also come from investments, pensions, alimony, settlements, or inherited assets. So the fair conclusion is that single women donate more at comparable income levels, so like I said this does not prove that women necessarily give away more of their own earned wages.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 08:04 PM
5	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. Yeah, none of these conclude that they donated their hard-earned money to charities in everyday life. That is what should really matter. With any other money, it's way more understandable that they can be more giving with it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 07:54 PM
3	Having casual sex will help men have better relationships Neither sex usually tells someone they are less attracted to them than the last person they dealt with, so expecting men to announce that they lowered their standards is unrealistic. Women also get plenty of chances to deal with different men without being told exactly where they rank compared to everyone before them. Even with an unattractive woman, the man still has to approach, create the opportunity, and put in effort to make anything happen. At the very least, she is still being desired eno…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 07:43 PM
1	Many women have been socially programmed to be self-centered and narcissistic. That study found women gave more in controlled dictator-game experiments, especially when the recipient was a charity. That is evidence of a difference under those specific conditions, but it does not prove women are generally more likely to donate in everyday life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 07:36 PM
2	Having casual sex will help men have better relationships Yeah, many men already do this. They may lower their standards for casual sex while keeping higher standards for a relationship. That gives them more opportunities instead of limiting themselves to top-tier women who have far more options and are harder to get. A man does not have to see every woman he sleeps with as someone he would seriously date. It is a practical move as long as he is still attracted to the woman and honest about what he wants. Only pursuing the most attractive women would l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 07:28 PM
2	Having casual sex will help men have better relationships Well, some men have to lower their standards, even if it's for the time being, so that they have something. It can still be an experience that she can enjoy as well. It's not like only men feel pleasure during sex. Also, I do believe if he really finds her unattractive at all, then yes, it's probably best not to go through with it. Some men definitely will push forward with opportunities they aren't really attracted to, though, which some men definitely find reasonable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 07:16 PM
12	Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View: A big reason for this is that women are usually judged more by their feelings, while men are judged more by their actions. When a woman does something wrong, people often ask what happened to her, what pushed her there, or what kind of pain she was dealing with. When a man does something wrong, people are more likely to focus on the choice he made and hold him fully responsible for it. That difference starts early. Girls are often seen as more vulnerable and in need of protection, while boys are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 06:38 AM
3	AF/BB doesn't exist and is out dated If it’s a new woman, that’s basically playing with fire, literally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 06:20 AM
2	I have a question. Why do men seem to care more about what women do more than women care more about what men do? Well, you complained about me being snarky because you would've liked me not to. Also, you explained that like 9 days after your comment, so there was no way for me to know if you were being snarky or not at the time I replied. So yeah, you may have meant it in a nicer way, but I can't just know that 11 days ago.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/26 06:06 AM
5	How do you define a female friend? I think calling it a red flag is too broad. A man can respect women, get along with them at work or in group settings, and still not have close one-on-one female friendships. Adult friendships usually come down to proximity, shared interests, time, and opportunity, not some hidden hatred of women. A female friend should mean someone he has an actual friendship with, not just a coworker he talks to. But not having that kind of friendship proves very little. His behavior toward women matters more …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 11:29 PM
3	What explains the difference in how some men respond to authority, admiration, and emotion when it comes from women versus other men. I would say men generally are, since they have to be. Society will not give men the same leeway they do women. Women can be more emotional, for instance. This is why some women who hit men know they can likely get away with it, since men aren't supposed to hit them back. Most men know they can't carry that attitude and get away with it, as they are likely to get hit back. So, even if you weren't saying that in general, that actually is the case.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 10:41 PM
8	Men place women on a pedestal and in doing so they start to hate women for any show of humanity. You’re starting with the conclusion that men see women as prizes, then interpreting every complaint through that lens. Men being frustrated that some women repeatedly choose obvious red flags does not mean they expect mind reading or believe women are “damaged goods.” The criticism is usually that certain warning signs were visible, ignored, or even treated as attractive until the consequences appeared. Women can misjudge people, but that does not make every bad outcome completely unpredictable.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 10:31 PM
6	AF/BB doesn't exist and is out dated Nah, it’s still a thing. A man who can consistently get casual sex can usually get a relationship too, so it’s not necessarily that women see him as unfit for anything serious. He may simply choose not to pursue those women long term, especially if he enjoys the benefits of casual dating without wanting the added commitment. The argument also assumes casual sex means a man failed some higher relationship standard, but that only makes sense if he was actually seeking a relationship and being reje…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 06:01 PM
4	What explains the difference in how some men respond to authority, admiration, and emotion when it comes from women versus other men. I think you're grouping together a lot of different behaviors that don't necessarily have the same explanation. The teacher example could just as easily be about physical authority or fear of consequences rather than respect for men. A student might ignore one teacher but comply with another because they perceive one as stricter, regardless of sex. The celebrity examples aren't really equivalent either. Men who cry over athletes get mocked all the time for being obsessed, just like women who are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 05:50 PM
5	Asking Someone Out Doesn't Feel Right. It Simply Should Not Be Treated As The Universal Standard Or The Ultimate Measure Of Confidence And Romance. Well, I'd say someone has to if anything is to happen, but it does suck that men are always having to be the ones to do so. I believe that is the stronger point, if anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 05:23 PM
2	Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be. That just means they're making an already difficult situation even narrower.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 05:16 PM
2	Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be. Not willing to take just anything is not picky.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 05:11 PM
1	Men have to build their assets, but women are born with them. Yeah, it's best women understand this because some complain about men when this is who they give opportunities to those who aren't that stable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 05:06 PM
1	Men have to build their assets, but women are born with them. I think you're making this much more about the workforce than the original post did. The point was that attractive women tend to receive more favorable treatment and opportunities in general, not just promotions or hiring decisions. It also isn't limited to hot women. Attractive women usually benefit the most, but nowadays an average woman can still receive pretty good treatment as well. It won't be on the exact same level as the attractive women, but the advantage is still there for sure. As fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 04:58 PM
2	Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be. The struggle is a choice. Only if the struggle is entirely self-created. Having standards doesn't eliminate the reality that some people have far fewer opportunities than others. Choosing not to pursue people you're incompatible with doesn't suddenly make the underlying difficulty disappear. As I have shown in my post. I don't think your examples show that. They show that some men still have standards and don't pursue every possible match. That isn't the same as demonstrating their dating diffic…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 04:50 PM
1	Assuming women are unattracted to most men, can we really be blamed for lack of attraction? Well, sometimes it is, so that's a case-by-case thing since some women only drop their standards to certain men once they are older and can't get the men they really want to take them seriously.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 04:46 PM
1	Assuming women are unattracted to most men, can we really be blamed for lack of attraction? Well, sometimes it is, so that's a case-by-case thing since some women only drop their standards to certain men once they are older and can't get the men they really want to take them seriously.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 04:41 PM
2	Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be. Yes, because of his pickiness and his absurd standards. Having standards doesn't mean someone isn't struggling. A man can reject women he isn't attracted to and still have far fewer realistic options than the average woman. Dating difficulty isn't measured by whether someone is willing to accept literally anybody. You choosing the difficulty makes your complaining irrelevant. Only if the difficulty is entirely self-created. Saying someone could improve their results by changing their personality…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 04:38 PM
8	Dating experiments prove men are picky and not as desperate like they claim to be. This argument keeps confusing “having standards” with “not struggling.” A man can reject women he isn’t attracted to and still have far fewer realistic options than the average woman. Dating difficulty isn’t measured by whether someone is willing to accept literally anybody. The guy swiping on two million women and getting one date doesn’t prove dating is easy for men. It proves he had to make an absurd number of attempts to get one result. Saying he could improve himself doesn’t erase that imba…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 07:17 AM
–	Men have to build their assets, but women are born with them. Not at all. Of course, most people aren't saying it's on the same level as an attractive woman, as that would be pretty silly to do, especially if the woman happens to be model-tier. Even still, it will be really good, especially nowadays. Let's not even get started on them being online. On there, they don't even really need to be average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 07:07 AM
1	Men have to build their assets, but women are born with them. I think you're making this much more about the workforce than the original post did. The point was that attractive women tend to receive more favorable treatment and opportunities in general, not just promotions or hiring decisions. It also isn't limited to hot women. Attractive women usually benefit the most, but nowadays an average woman can still receive pretty good treatment as well. It won't be on the exact same level as the attractive women, but the advantage is still there for sure. As fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 07:03 AM
–	Men have to build their assets, but women are born with them. Yeah, but women being average is more than enough nowadays, especially since we have things like makeup that can basically enhance most average woman above average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 06:56 AM
5	Q4Men: Would you truly spend a year or more with a woman with zero intention of being serious/ married? And let her think otherwise? Some men absolutely can operate this way. If they're getting the benefits of a relationship without intending long-term commitment, some will keep things exactly as they are because it's the closest they'll realistically get to having consistent sex or a friends-with-benefits arrangement. That's even more likely if the woman isn't pushing to make the relationship more serious. If the current arrangement is working for him, many men aren't going to be the ones to force that conversation. That sti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 06:09 AM
7	Assuming women are unattracted to most men, can we really be blamed for lack of attraction? I don't think people are dismissing chemistry. The disagreement is over whether it's completely unexplainable or whether there are patterns behind it. Just because something is subjective doesn't mean we can't study it or notice recurring dynamics. I'd also say "chemistry" often describes the outcome more than it explains the cause. Saying two people had chemistry tells us what happened, but not why it happened. That's why people try to identify the traits, behaviors, and interactions that consi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 05:55 AM
4	Men on the whole are objectively worth less to date now than ever I believe This isn't really a male problem. Plenty of women struggle with basic adult competence too. The difference is that it often shows up in different areas or is overlooked because people are quicker to step in and help them. There are a lot of reasons this can happen today: more overprotective parenting, less independence growing up, technology solving problems for people, fewer expectations to figure things out on their own, and people becoming more comfortable relying on others instead of trouble…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 09:10 PM
2	A man without female friends is a red flag Yeah, even if you don't act on it, the attraction can still be there. If a man finds his female friend attractive, he'll simply have to be much more disciplined, especially if he's already in a relationship. That's exactly why I think having close female friends you're attracted to is generally a bad idea. It creates unnecessary temptation and makes things more complicated than they need to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 09:04 PM
3	I have a question. Why do men seem to care more about what women do more than women care more about what men do? Don't tell me what to say, especially after making a snarky one yourself saying, "If you say so."	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 09:01 PM
–	Red pill should go to therapy to learn how to listen. The problem is that you're treating what women say they value as if it must perfectly predict the people they actually choose. Those are two different questions. If someone's stated preferences and revealed preferences don't always align, pointing that out isn't automatically claiming they're lying or that they don't understand themselves. Red Pill's core argument isn't that women are incapable of describing what they like. It's that attraction is more complicated than conscious self-reporting. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 08:51 AM
2	Why don't men speak up more about male rights? Not necessarily. Research does show that women tend to have a stronger automatic preference for women than men have for men, and people often evaluate women more positively overall. There is also evidence that men sometimes favor women rather than their own sex. Still, that does not mean men never support male causes or that most people believe women should rule over men. Men can mobilize when they view an issue as unjust, believe collective action can work, and see themselves as responsible for…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 07:38 AM
5	It isn't worth it to have casual sex with men Well, they would if they are also looking for casual, but long-term, most men would prefer not to. If they don't have many options, though, some guys take it anyway, unfortunately.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 06:46 AM
2	A man without female friends is a red flag Yeah, and it's best to make sure you aren't attracted to them at all. I feel like that can become a problem, and it wouldn't be a real friendship if y'all are sleeping with each other. Either that, or the man is suffering in the friend zone, and if he wants to honor it, then it will feel like it, even if he didn't push it forward, since he would like more, but she just won't allow it or allow he wont allow himself to push it to that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 06:20 AM
2	On Double Standards and the Problem of Male Sluts at the Gym If that is true, then you basically answered your own question.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 06:03 AM
5	There are similar patterns in men anticipating sex, and women anticipating commitment Yeah, which is silly. In a lot of cases, the man had to do far more work just to get the opportunity in the first place. He had to approach, face rejection, build attraction, invest time, plan dates, and keep putting in effort, only to eventually find out it wasn't leading anywhere. Then, after all of that, he's told he was wrong for feeling disappointed that none of his effort resulted in the kind of relationship he was hoping for. When a woman later realizes a relationship isn't leading to mar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 04:38 AM
4	Verifying and boosting your dating profile would actually help. Nah, most people who get on dating apps already understand that they may need to pay for certain features if they want the best chance of having a decent experience. Boosts, premium filters, and better visibility are not some hidden secret, so acting like men are unknowingly sabotaging themselves by refusing to pay does not really answer the complaint. Paying can improve exposure, but it does not create attraction. If a man pays to have his profile shown to more women and still gets little inter…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 01:27 AM
7	Why don't men speak up more about male rights? Men definitely do try, but society pushes back much harder when men organize around their own issues than when other groups do. That makes it a lot more discouraging over time. If men advocate for issues like the draft, family court, circumcision, or false accusations, they're often labeled misogynists, insecure, or told they're trying to derail women's issues. A lot of people don't even engage with the argument. They attack the motives instead. There's also social pressure from other men. Many …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 01:13 AM
11	Women aren't as innocent as the crime stats make you believe Women get away with more because the system does not react to male and female wrongdoing the same way. A man is more likely to be viewed as dangerous, aggressive, or responsible before the full context is even known, while a woman is more likely to be viewed as less threatening, less intentional, or somehow pushed into the situation. That difference affects who gets stopped, searched, arrested, charged, convicted, and sentenced. The same bias also shapes what society notices in the first place. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 12:07 AM
4	what is it you think when men complain? I don't think women are generally better at advocating for men's issues because they care more about them. When women campaign for an issue, it's usually because it directly affects women or aligns with their own interests. The same is true for men. The bigger problem is that there isn't much incentive for women to prioritize men's issues. Most people naturally put more energy into problems that affect their own group. That's why expecting women to lead the charge on men's rights probably isn't …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 11:58 PM
9	It isn't worth it to have casual sex with men I didn't say I was mad, so no need for such a silly reply. I just said it's crazy, especially if she isn't of real quality herself. That should be understandable, even for you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 11:54 PM
–	Dating is harder for men in their 30s vs their 20s due to increased market efficiency That explanation makes more sense then the other one at least. Since as far as marriage goes, women are generally the ones pushing for it across pretty much every stage of life, so with this new angle I can see where you're coming from better. If you really are a woman like your username suggests, though, it's going to be very difficult to fully understand how much harder dating is for the average man, even when we're only talking about short-term dating. Women generally prefer men with some rel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 11:36 PM
10	It isn't worth it to have casual sex with men Yeah, the problem is mainly when just any old woman has these types of demands. Of course they can, but it definitely sucks as a guy to need to be great in a ton of areas for anything but top-tier women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 11:25 PM
–	Dating is harder for men in their 30s vs their 20s due to increased market efficiency I'm addressing this part with that------> I notice 30s men lack maturity and they rush to get married but they don’t really have the skill set to keep her around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 11:18 PM
4	On Double Standards and the Problem of Male Sluts at the Gym That may explain some women, but it doesn't really answer what I said. My point was that there are women who get upset even over being looked at in public, especially in places like a busy gym where multiple men are naturally going to notice them throughout the day. Past harassment doesn't automatically make every negative reaction reasonable. People look at each other all the time. Simply noticing someone or briefly looking at them isn't the same as harassment. If someone gets angry over normal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 11:12 PM
6	A man without female friends is a red flag Yeah, but if they aren't rude about it, then there should be no issue. They may just choose to be romantic with women only and nothing more. You can't make that out to be bad when people choose to live their lives how they want, and if they aren't bothering anyone, there is no reason to villainize them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 11:08 PM
–	Dating is harder for men in their 30s vs their 20s due to increased market efficiency Nah that isn't the truth. Many men who rush into marriage are doing so because that's the direction their partner wanted as well. Women are often the ones pushing for marriage, so if a marriage happens before the couple is truly ready, that isn't automatically evidence that the man lacked maturity. By your logic, the same criticism would apply to the women encouraging it. Your point about prior serious relationships also doesn't really prove anything. Women initiate most breakups, and relationsh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 11:05 PM
–	Men insist on being married and having children when they clearly do not have the means to. I'm sure most people already know both men and women do this. Financial irresponsibility around marriage and children isn't a uniquely male behavior, so framing it that way is misleading from the start. If two adults choose to get married and have children despite knowing they aren't financially prepared, that decision belongs to both of them. Women aren't passive bystanders with no say over who they marry or whether they have children. They have agency every step of the way. You're taking a sha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 06:12 AM
8	"Some men aren't given the opportunity to show off their personality" is a victim narrative myth and a red flag. Well if women did that then they wouldnt be able to feel as if their personality is so speacial which a lot of times doesnt even need to be shown for them to get swipes anyway so most women should already know what the deal is. I mean, we've already had several women run these experiments over the past few years, and many of them were surprised by how different the experience actually was. Some were depressed within days once they saw how hard it was just to get a conversation started as a man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 05:06 AM
7	On Double Standards and the Problem of Male Sluts at the Gym Yeah, but some of those women get mad at men looking at them at all, especially if it's many different ones doing so, which will likely be the case if the gym has a good number of people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 04:51 AM
7	A man without female friends is a red flag Nah, that isn't true. Simply choosing not to pursue friendships with women isn't misogyny any more than choosing to only have female friends automatically makes someone a misandrist. People are allowed to decide what kinds of relationships they want without that meaning they hate or disrespect everyone outside that preference. Your race analogy doesn't work because you're assuming a preference automatically reflects contempt. If a man is disrespecting women, insulting them, or treating them as i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 04:48 AM
5	Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here. What's funny is that they don't seem to realize those shaming tactics don't carry the weight they used to. If someone has already rejected that moral framework, calling them an incel or misogynist isn't persuasive anymore. It just gets dismissed as another attempt to shut down criticism instead of addressing the argument. It still needs to be called out, though, especially since some women will throw those labels at men for something as simple as listing their dating preferences. The labels have…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 11:03 PM
11	A man without female friends is a red flag There's nothing inherently wrong with a man simply not wanting to pursue platonic friendships with women. Not every man has an interest in that, just like not every woman has an interest in having close male friends. A preference for keeping opposite-sex relationships limited to dating or family doesn't automatically mean he views women as inferior, only values them for sex, or lacks respect for them. It can simply be the kind of social boundaries he prefers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 07:50 PM
2	AI is now banned and also join our discord come argue with incels, misogynists and misandrists I didn't say you had to agree. I gave my take on it. Also, it isn't about discipline. Some people just would rather not read bot posts or see them at all, especially since it can become a recurring thing for most posters after a while, so I get the rule.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 07:43 PM
9	On Double Standards and the Problem of Male Sluts at the Gym I don't think that's what people are usually criticizing. Most people understand that clothing can be about comfort, confidence, or attracting a potential partner. The issue gets raised when someone is dressed in a way that's clearly meant to be sexually attention-grabbing and then acts offended that people notice or look. If you're intentionally presenting yourself in a way that's designed to attract attention, it's unrealistic to expect nobody to notice. Looking isn't the same thing as harassi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 07:33 PM
–	AI is now banned and also join our discord come argue with incels, misogynists and misandrists Yeah, that is what I was originally saying. I just said it shouldn't sound like a robot, as those posts or comments aren't too exciting to read or talk to, even more so than someone who isn't the best at writing good messages. So as long as it is decent, it should get a pass.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 07:27 PM
9	women dont think about men I guess that at least makes it somewhat easier. Even still, it's not an ideal situation to rely on as a man, which was my main point anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 07:25 PM
4	Red pill "logic" applied to men shows the absurdity needed. I don't think that's an accurate representation of what most RP arguments are. The point isn't that men are oppressed in every area of society or that women collectively hold more institutional power. It's that there are areas, especially dating, family courts, and cultural expectations, where men's issues are minimized or treated differently. The examples you gave also don't really establish what you think they do. Pointing to politicians, billionaires, or extremists being mostly men doesn't te…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 07:20 PM
9	The debate about age gaps in relationships reveals the double standard of blue pillers. That's how it usually works. Women generally get the benefit of the doubt for their preferences, while men's preferences are much more likely to be treated as a moral issue rather than just a preference. You see it with age, body count, weight, income, and even appearance. A woman can openly say she wants a tall, wealthy, confident man and it's usually framed as "knowing her worth" or "having standards." A man says he prefers younger women, a lower body count, or a healthy weight, and the conver…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 07:11 PM
2	There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it. Not really. It's just the difficulty that men have nowadays, even for women below them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 07:05 PM
11	women dont think about men Nah, someone always has to talk to the other first, which is usually the man. Anyway, no need to continue trying to convince me. You already explained how you move, so unless your original message was a lie, then it's obvious the man did the work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 07:03 PM
–	AI is now banned and also join our discord come argue with incels, misogynists and misandrists Yeah, their focus will most likely be on those who make posts, though, not those engaging in debate in the comment section, from what I've seen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 07:01 PM
–	I genuinely believe most women would be happier if they put more emphasis on trying to start a family. I think that's a fair way to look at it. Nobody is saying every woman has to get married or have children, but people also shouldn't pretend those choices are just interchangeable with everything else. Humans are social, pair-bonding creatures, and reproduction is one of the strongest biological drives we have. It makes sense that building a family ends up being one of the biggest sources of meaning for many people. That doesn't mean everyone will choose it, only that it shouldn't be surprising …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 06:36 AM
–	AI is now banned and also join our discord come argue with incels, misogynists and misandrists Well, obviously the mods do, which is why they have a rule for it now. I'd rather not feel like I'm speaking directly to a bot, so as long as it's understandable, I'll take the human. Most people's messages here are understandable on some level, so it's no real issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 06:26 AM
3	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Yes, but the point is society is way more accepting of them having preferences like that. Mainly the RP types that call them out for having that preference, especially since women don't generally even have to earn it. Remember, at the end of the day, if men want to have a preference, they actually have to put in work to have it. Opportunities don't just fall out of the sky for most men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 06:17 AM
3	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Well, that's simple. Just more fairness when it comes to this stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 06:13 AM
10	women dont think about men Well, you were able to find your husband with that attitude, you explained earlier regardless of whether it was back and forth it still likely had him making the first move.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 06:11 AM
9	women dont think about men Well, you did say you found a husband, so there is no maybe if you are telling the truth, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 12:53 AM
3	why aren’t men happier about the fact that they can improve themselves to be more likeable to women? Well, it is if the woman is worth that. It just kind of sucks that men are expected to do all of that, often at a pretty high level, just to have a realistic chance of dating average or even below-average women. The issue isn't that self-improvement is bad. Most men already improve themselves because they want better outcomes. The frustration is with how high the bar can feel compared to what they're actually getting in return. That's why they complain, not because they think becoming more confi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 12:50 AM
1	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss I guess we mostly agree, but as for preferences being sexist by the way men talk about them, I'm not so sure about that. Just stating the preference with nothing else added will still be viewed a man seeing women in a sexist way. These are just not preferences women are ever OK with men having, regardless of how it is presented.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 12:45 AM
3	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss I clearly explained that here. I'm certain you must've not read it. -------> Yeah, but men get very harsh terms that are socially acceptable thrown at them for theirs, which is what I was mainly getting at. Things such as insecure, shallow, controlling, or misogynistic. Also during discussions like this, women are the ones that love to say how men need to be accepting of women's preferences, then turn around and say things like that when men give theirs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 12:41 AM
2	AI is now banned and also join our discord come argue with incels, misogynists and misandrists Well, of course, but it still sounds human at the end of the day and not like a bot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 12:39 AM
9	women dont think about men Well, you were able to find your husband with that attitude still, so yeah, maybe you didn't, but you are still enjoying a benefit that most men are likely to never get if they don't pursue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 12:36 AM
1	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Damn, you want the last one that bad. Well, OK then. I give you permission to have it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 12:34 AM
2	There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it. That's a pretty extreme way to frame it. Someone can be perfectly average and still consistently overlooked. That's the point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 10:49 PM
10	women dont think about men Yeah women can afford to look at it that way because they usually don't have to force the issue. You can simply wait until someone catches your attention, flirt if you feel like it, and see if he takes it further. Even if he's the more attractive person, there's still often an expectation that he'll be the one to initiate. That makes it much easier to have the mindset of, "If something happens, it happens." You're rarely in a position where waiting means nothing ever starts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 10:39 PM
5	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Well, they shouldn't be associating every man who has that preference with men who actually use those insults unless he is behaving that way himself. Having a body count preference is not the same thing as calling women names or insulting them. Also, we're talking about legal-age younger women, not kids. Bringing up creepy adults targeting 13-year-olds has nothing to do with men dating consenting adults. Those are completely different situations, so using one to judge the other isn't a valid com…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 10:28 PM
1	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Yes that is cool.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 10:24 PM
4	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Not at all. You are making that up. You spoke about men being hypocrites about it, so I pointed out how women are the ones who are mainly hypocrites since they will vilify men far more for their preferences. I'm not saying men have to be the biggest victims just to point that out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 10:17 PM
1	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” I already said that dude!!!	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 10:14 PM
4	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Yeah but we all know society outside of RP only really has the smoke for men that give theirs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 10:07 PM
3	Many women say that if a woman rejects a man, he should accept it and move on, never trying again. From what you described, she didn't give you much encouragement, then was disappointed when you took the hint and backed off. It sounds like she expected you to push through the walls she was putting up instead of treating them as a sign that she wasn't interested.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 09:59 PM
6	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss This doesn't refute anything I said. Yeah, in dating, men have it pretty rough, so there's nothing wrong with me pointing it out. You trying to twist it into that isn't valid at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 09:51 PM
10	Assuming women are unattracted to most men, can we really be blamed for lack of attraction? I never said looks are the only thing that matters. My point was that attraction has a much larger influence on how men are perceived than people often acknowledge. You even describe it yourself when you say attraction gets a man's foot in the door. That's already a massive advantage because many men never get through that first filter. Personality can't compensate if someone never gets the opportunity to show it. Elliot Rodger also doesn't really contradict my point. Being physically attractive…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 09:42 PM
7	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Well men can't even bring up their preferences when the discussion is actually about preferences without people trying to shut it down. Women also generally aren't told they shouldn't let their preferences be known, so it's silly to tell men they shouldn't express theirs. You're talking about insulting random strangers, which isn't what I was talking about at all. Those women aren't asking those men for their opinion in the first place. The discussion is about expressing preferences during conve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 09:39 PM
6	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Yesterday I definitely did. You might want to reread my replies from two or three comments ago because I already explained exactly what I meant. I never said men are victims all the time. That's a position you're adding so it's easier to dismiss what I'm actually saying. Like the other guy pointed out, men's preferences are much more socially acceptable to criticize. A man who says he doesn't want a woman with a high body count, obesity, or a significant age gap is often labeled insecure, shallo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 09:35 PM
8	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Nah women regularly criticize men's preferences by calling them insecure, shallow, controlling, misogynistic, or saying they're "objectifying women" when men prefer women with lower body counts, aren't attracted to obesity, or have age preferences. Those aren't just complaints about how men express their standards they're criticisms of the standards themselves. At the same time, women are often told their own preferences are simply preferences that should be respected. That's the inconsistency I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 09:31 PM
2	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss I'm not talking for all men if you actually read what I said. I said "most men" because that's the position I see being argued far more often than "women should sleep with men they aren't attracted to." The second part is actually my point. If you agree attraction changes how identical behavior is perceived, then we're not really disagreeing. That's the observation I was making. The frustration comes from how often people deny or downplay that influence and instead insist it's mostly about confi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 09:27 PM
2	There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it. "Yeah, the redpill, which most men don't like either." Then we're talking about two different groups. You originally said "guys," not "the Red Pill." If your criticism is aimed specifically at the Red Pill, that's a much narrower claim than the one you originally made. "No, I didn't. The red pill does that, which is why they're constantly confused." The problem is that your post wasn't framed that way. You repeatedly referred to "guys," which naturally includes far more people than just the Red …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 09:21 PM
1	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” I already said that is fine	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 09:20 PM
2	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” No, I definitely can. You just aren't making much sense either way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 09:14 PM
10	Assuming women are unattracted to most men, can we really be blamed for lack of attraction? I don't think most men are angry that women can't control attraction. Most men already understand that. The frustration is that people often stop the conversation there, as if that answers everything. The question isn't whether women choose who they're attracted to. It's how that attraction affects everything else. The same confidence, flirting, or persistence can be seen as charming from one man and creepy from another simply because of who is doing it. Pointing that out isn't the same as blami…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 06:30 AM
6	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss I explained pretty well how it isn't the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 06:19 AM
3	It’s not that women having inflated egos. It’s just a lot of guys underestimate a woman’s worth in the dating market. This argument starts by defining any average woman who gets regular male attention as a Stacy, which makes the claim impossible to challenge. Average women can receive far more attention than average men without secretly being highly attractive. Men generally cast a wider net, initiate more often, and are more willing to pursue women they would not seriously date. A woman having plenty of messages or hookup offers does not automatically make her above average. It also confuses options with attra…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 03:26 AM
–	Old people have no understanding of how dating works today I think you're focusing on the wrong cutoff. Someone in their 30s can still have a very good grasp of modern dating, especially if they're still dating themselves or stay immersed in what's changed. The bigger disconnect usually starts when people have been out of the dating market for 15–20 years and aren't familiar with how apps, social media, and modern dating culture have changed things. I'd be much more skeptical of advice from someone in their late 40s, 50s, or older who's been married for…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 03:07 AM
6	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Yeah, but men get very harsh terms that are socially acceptable thrown at them for theirs, which is what I was mainly getting at. Things such as insecure, shallow, controlling, or misogynistic. Also during discussions like this, women are the ones that love to say how men need to be accepting of women's preferences, then turn around and say things like that when men give theirs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 02:58 AM
5	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Some probably do, but that's not the argument I made. Most men already understand women respond better to men they're attracted to. The point is that attraction often changes how identical behavior is judged. Pointing that out isn't outrage over women having preferences it's recognizing that attraction influences perception more than people often admit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 02:54 AM
3	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Hell nah, now you are definitely going too far, but you actually made some sense in the last message by saying ugly women. "Don't care what they look like" has to be untrue even for you because that would include women 8 and above, and surely you can't seriously be saying that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 02:53 AM
8	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss What about women that want men with money but don't have any themselves, or men that are tall when they are short?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 02:51 AM
2	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Oh, you are now saying ugly. I've been saying at least decent-looking. When you first said that, you didn't say ugly. Of course that changes things. If they aren't that good-looking or, especially, obese, then things like that will start to matter way more. The thing is, most women are at least average, so looking desperate will not matter that much, as men will still give them opportunities. So even in a case where they are alone hovering around a bunch of men, one or more will definitely take …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 02:45 AM
2	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” I mean, you can, but reality says otherwise. It's not hard to attract attention and get approached as a woman. If what you were saying was true, dating would be much harder for women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 02:33 AM
3	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” I obviously said it that time because I was explaining what I was saying earlier when I said, "We can leave it there," meaning agree to disagree. I then gave you a reason to explain your position better since you love talking to me so much. Might as well give a better take on your position then. Anyway, I already answered the desperation thing, women looking that way will not prevent them from being approached by men, especially if they are decent-looking, so it won't matter if they might look t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 02:20 AM
1	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Yes, that is basically what "we can end it there" means since we can't come to an agreement, which I still don't even understand because you never really broke it down well enough to make it make any sense, since I was actually willing to debate it in good faith. Women stand around all the time waiting for opportunities. They definitely don't go around approaching most men. They wait for men to come to them everywhere they go unless the man in question has money or clout or is model-tier in look…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 02:11 AM
2	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” I didn't say I did, by the way. I said we could end it there, which is a respectful way to move on, but you felt the need to keep it going for some silly reason. Also, you were not respectful. Saying stuff about me being fed lies like a baby bird is not respectful at all, so you are still lying. I just looked back, and you are the one that came sideways first with this comment. So just stop the lies. -------> Nah, it’s not really common at all. I’m not sure where you came up with it or what podc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 02:04 AM
–	If woman understand there own attraction and stuff, why then people do studies? I think surveys are definitely useful, but I also think they have limits. People can only report what they're consciously aware of, and even then they're influenced by things like social desirability, self-image, and memory. That doesn't necessarily mean they're lying, but it does mean self-reported preferences aren't always the full picture. That's why I think it's helpful to look at both stated preferences and actual behavior. If what people consistently choose lines up with what they say, tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 01:50 AM
2	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Well, you have anyway. Also, I respectfully tried to end it, but you still continued to go. So let's just end it there if you are indeed not trying to be rude. Also you are also welcome to stop since there was no real reason to even say that. Hell the last few messages have had no real purpose.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 01:41 AM
2	There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it. You're arguing against a position very few people actually hold. Most men aren't saying women should have casual sex they don't enjoy. They're asking why discussions about dating so often assume men's desires are inherently less legitimate than women's. You also keep switching between casual sex and relationships as if they're the same thing. If a woman doesn't enjoy casual sex or doesn't think the risks are worth it, then she shouldn't have it. Most people would agree with that. That doesn't au…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 12:45 AM
7	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss I think that's part of why these conversations go in circles. A lot of women agree that nobody is owed attraction or a relationship until men's preferences enter the discussion. Then suddenly there's pressure to justify them, especially if they're about things like body count, age, or weight. Those preferences tend to get moralized much more than women's preferences do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 12:17 AM
1	If below average men were given experience they would even themselves out. Yeah a good amount of people treat dating ability as if it's an innate trait, but a lot of it is learned through repetition. Confidence, reading social cues, flirting naturally, and handling rejection all come from experience, not from simply getting older. Which is what mostly men easily understand. The problem is that dating is self-reinforcing. Men who get opportunities early build confidence and social competence, which makes future opportunities more likely. Men who don't get those early ex…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 12:11 AM
2	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Not at all. We don't get along, and I asked you to get gone, so nothing is strange other than you still being here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:49 PM
11	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss You're arguing against a position I never took. I never said women should change who they're attracted to or sleep with men they don't want. Most men already understand women reject men they aren't attracted to. The point is that attraction doesn't just determine who gets rejected. It also changes how identical behavior is interpreted. The same confidence, joke, or approach can be seen as charming from one man and creepy from another simply because she's attracted to one and not the other. That'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:31 PM
8	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss I wouldn't say it's "fair" or "unfair." I'd say it's reality. Men and women don't face the same thresholds for being considered attractive, so telling both sexes to "just become more attractive" isn't equally practical.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:25 PM
2	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” No need for any thanks I don't mean that in any friendly way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:23 PM
2	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Ok you can think that idc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:22 PM
1	If a woman a man is dating or is interested in starts pulling away, his best option is to let go and stop trying. I think there's some truth to this, but it's overstated. If someone has genuinely lost attraction, constantly chasing, pleading, negotiating, or trying to convince them usually makes things worse because it communicates neediness rather than confidence. At that point, giving them space and accepting the possibility that it's over is often the healthier approach. Where I disagree is the idea that communication is therefore useless. Communication isn't meant to manufacture attraction where none ex…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:11 PM
31	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss I'd actually argue women are generally much harsher about men's preferences than the other way around. When men express preferences about things like body count, weight, or age, they're far more likely to be called insecure, misogynistic, controlling, or shallow. Women's preferences, even when they're just as exclusionary, are much more likely to be treated as simply "knowing your worth" or having standards. I also don't think men are mainly complaining because women are more selective. A lot of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 10:57 PM
3	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Yeah, weight is still much more of a handicap for men, so he was still lucky to have opportunities come his way, especially if he really was around 500 pounds. He'd probably need a good amount of money or something else going for him to have many real dating options at that size. Most women aren't happy being overweight either, but in today's society especially in America being overweight is common enough that it doesn't automatically destroy their dating prospects. As long as they aren't severe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 10:45 PM
3	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” It is and I have but you are still commenting this silly stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 10:32 PM
5	The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong. This argument only works by replacing "men and women have recurring sex-based tendencies and roles" with the much easier claim that women naturally did nothing except sit inside a 1950s suburban home. Those are not the same position. Women working throughout history does not disprove traditional gender roles. In preindustrial societies, nearly everyone worked because households were units of production. Women farmed, traded, produced goods, cared for children, and sometimes managed property. Men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 09:38 PM
12	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss I believe you're arguing against a position most men don't actually hold. Most men already understand women experience attraction and reject men they're not attracted to. That's not the issue. The complaint is that attraction often changes how identical behavior is judged. The same approach, joke, or level of confidence can be seen as charming from one man and creepy from another simply because of who's doing it. That's a real observation, not outrage that women have preferences. You also have t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 09:29 PM
3	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss I suppose you mean over time because if it were anytime soon, this would easily not be close to true. Anyway, even over time, it wouldn't be looked at as that bad, especially since it's not that easy to be that unattractive to the point this would become a problem if the woman is even in halfway decent shape and wears makeup, so it's not very likely. Of course, this is in regards to most men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 09:22 PM
11	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Maybe not all women are feminists, but a lot of women still react negatively when men express preferences they dislike. Body count, weight, and age preferences are obvious examples. The response is often to call the man insecure, shallow, controlling, or misogynistic instead of simply accepting that men are allowed to have standards too. The existence of spaces where women actively cater to male preferences does not erase the much broader social pattern of treating male preferences as suspect wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 09:17 PM
4	Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss Yeah, much slimmer could still have them at like 400, so that would still have them in a category where they will have it much harder getting anyone to take them seriously. So the deal could've been bad even for a big man, especially if he actually had other things going on that made his size not matter as much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 09:08 PM
3	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” No you don't. Anyway you can go on now no need in continuing this silly debate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 09:00 PM
6	When is it fair to say "you should have chosen better"? Years ago I might have agreed more, but calorie information is much harder to miss now. Federal law requires chains with at least 20 locations to display calories on their menus, and nutrition information is widely available online. At some point, lack of information is not the main problem for many people. The harder issue is that high-calorie food is often more enjoyable, convenient, and easier to keep eating than a disciplined diet. Even plenty of people who exercise still eat poorly. Some si…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 08:59 PM
7	When is it fair to say "you should have chosen better"? I think a lot of people know deep down. The harder part is accepting it because admitting your own habits are the primary reason for your situation can be painful. Self-deception is easier than making difficult changes. Plus, it's a lot more painful to not live that lifestyle, so it definitely isn't for everyone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 08:50 PM
7	When is it fair to say "you should have chosen better"? Outside of RP spaces, women usually have to make an extraordinary number of bad decisions before people will even acknowledge they played a role in the outcome. Until that point, the entire discussion revolves around what the man did, even when the warning signs were obvious and ignored repeatedly. It's one thing if someone genuinely deceived you. It's another if the behavior, reputation, or red flags were there from the beginning and you kept choosing the same type of person anyway. In the seco…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 08:45 PM
4	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Yeah, and he is talking about them being in different spaces. They definitely can't be looked at as desperate for hovering in different places. I can see it if it's the same place with mostly the same crowd seeing her every weekend or something, but this guy isn't saying that, so he is likely just trolling.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 08:40 PM
1	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” No you are the one full of shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 08:37 PM
7	Women arent conditioned to do everything they do by society I think people often swing too far in the opposite direction. Saying society has no influence is just as simplistic as saying society determines everything. Women obviously have agency. They make choices and should be accountable for them. But agency and social influence aren't mutually exclusive. Everyone grows up with expectations, incentives, and norms that shape behavior to some degree. Men do too. Where I disagree with a lot of these discussions is that social conditioning is too often used…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:42 AM
13	CMV: Many of men's dating problems start With treating women as opportunities rather than people You're attributing motives that don't need to be there. Men don't have to resent or dehumanize women they're unlikely to date to explain why they behave differently around them. Men are generally expected to make relationships happen, so naturally they're going to invest more time and effort where they think there's a realistic chance of something developing. The idea that not trying to befriend every attractive woman means you don't see her humanity doesn't follow. Most people aren't looking to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:36 AM
8	Men don't have a natural instinct to protect women I think you're taking a historical tendency and turning it into an absolute. Men have certainly committed violence against women throughout history, but that doesn't mean protective instincts don't exist. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Humans are perfectly capable of protecting some people while harming others depending on circumstance. You're also conflating "protecting the women of your group" with "protecting no women at all." Evolutionary and anthropological theories have long suggested …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:29 AM
2	Whats your reasoning that you actually notice your own privilege? Ok now go away.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:25 AM
4	how frequently you turned on about men you see in public ? Yeah, men typically have to have a really good amount of clout, money, or attractiveness to really get that from women, and this is just a from average women, let alone ones considered more attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:20 AM
5	how frequently you turned on about men you see in public ? I'd be surprised if the averages were the same. Research generally finds that men experience spontaneous sexual attraction and sexual thoughts more frequently than women do. That doesn't mean women rarely find strangers attractive, just that the intensity and frequency tend to differ on average. So if you're comparing men and women, I wouldn't expect similar answers to that question.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:16 AM
2	Whats your reasoning that you actually notice your own privilege? You go the hell away you are the one that responded to me to begin with, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:12 AM
–	Modern Dating Is a Humiliation Ritual for Most Men I think a lot of what you're describing comes down to incentives more than hypocrisy. Women can genuinely believe in equality while still preferring traditional courtship because those preferences aren't necessarily driven by political ideology. Attraction and relationship expectations don't always line up with someone's broader worldview. That's why you'll see women who are progressive in almost every other area still expecting the man to initiate, lead, plan, and absorb most of the risk. On th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 11:04 AM
2	Whats your reasoning that you actually notice your own privilege? That isn't the point. I been told you its about in general.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 10:58 AM
6	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Nope, you are telling lies for sure on this. Nobody fed me anything except you attempting to feed lies, but anyway, we can end it there, as you are just going in circles with nonsense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/26 10:57 AM
5	Are power imbalances in relationships really that bad? I don't think the comparison works all that well because romantic relationships are fundamentally different from the examples you gave. Power isn't automatically viewed as a bad thing in relationships. In fact, many women seem to prefer a partner they can respect, look up to, and view as a leader. That often goes hand in hand with the man having greater influence in certain areas of the relationship. The existence of a power imbalance by itself isn't what determines whether a relationship is hea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 10:49 PM
7	A lot of liberal women struggle in dating because what they're truly attracted to and what they say they want are usually contradictory. I think you're focusing too much on liberal women when this is a much broader pattern. The gap between stated and revealed preferences isn't unique to them. Women across the political spectrum can say they value one set of traits while being more attracted to another in practice. Liberal women may make the contradiction more noticeable because they are often more explicit about requiring progressive politics and political compatibility in a partner. That still doesn't mean the underlying issue b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 10:26 PM
6	If woman understand there own attraction and stuff, why then people do studies? Because people aren't always fully aware of what drives their decisions, and what they say they want doesn't always match what they actually choose. Researchers use surveys because they're useful, but they also study real behavior to see whether stated preferences match actual partner selection. Looking at who people date, marry, or have children with provides another source of evidence rather than relying only on what people report about themselves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 10:21 PM
7	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Yes, that is very common, so I don't know what you are talking about, as I'm sure many others don't either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 10:17 PM
10	Its hypocritical for 🔵BP/Feminist society to be outraged at the likes of Bonnie Blue/Lily Philips or even Clavicular, since its just the end result of their own ideals (Sex Positive, Sexual Revolution, Sexual Autonomy). They really shouldn't be outraged if they're being consistent with the principles they're advocating. If consenting adults are free to use their bodies however they want, profit from their sexuality, and engage in legal sexual expression without shame, then Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips are simply operating within that framework. They're responding to incentives that already exist. More attention leads to more views, more views lead to more money, and people naturally compete for that attention.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 06:38 AM
1	Passport Bros aren't leaving the western dating scene for genuine desire, they are leaving for a chance at genuine desire, which is more than they would ever have in the west. I think that's a much more reasonable way of looking at it than pretending every man should just stay where he is regardless of his circumstances. Nothing in dating is guaranteed, whether it's in your hometown or another country. The goal isn't certainty—it's improving your odds. That's true in almost every area of life. People move for better jobs, lower taxes, safer neighborhoods, cheaper housing, or a higher quality of life. Dating isn't fundamentally different. If someone believes they'll ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 06:15 AM
27	men are now more disillusioned with women than vice versa. I think there's some truth to the idea that distrust has increased on both sides, but I don't think it's as one-sided as you're making it. Women have always had reasons to be cautious when dating. The difference now is that men have become much more aware of the risks they face as well. A lot of men worry about false accusations, social shaming, losing access to their children, financial consequences after divorce, or investing heavily in someone who ultimately leaves. Whether those outcomes are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 06:01 AM
6	Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or Bad That's a different preference that is typically the long-term one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 05:52 AM
7	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Flings count as well. Anyway, men definitely interact with women way outside of that. They are way more open to speaking to a larger number of women than women are to men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 05:41 AM
3	Whats your reasoning that you actually notice your own privilege? Oh, now you're going to give silly replies like that instead of just having an honest debate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 05:40 AM
3	Whats your reasoning that you actually notice your own privilege? This doesn't refute what I said at all, which was originally talking about how men actually take on a good amount of risk in general. So dating is risky for men for sure. All the risk isn't on just women. Like I said, I'm speaking in general.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 05:36 AM
6	Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or Bad I was talking about the men in order to get something outside of long-term.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 05:34 AM
8	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Well, I'm from the States, and basically every woman over here does that as a strategy. Maybe in certain countries women have to be more proactive, so yeah, that can definitely make them stand out by just standing around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 05:33 AM
6	Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or Bad Yeah, if they drop their standards enough, a decent amount of men can, or if they are willing to pay for play. Regardless, a man could still just want a younger woman at the start. It doesn't mean they will want one every few years. That's a silly way to look at that preference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 05:30 AM
6	Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or Bad You seriously don't know about situationships or FWB-type deals, or hell, even the men that pay for play.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 05:12 AM
2	Whats your reasoning that you actually notice your own privilege? Your lack of awareness of those risks does not make them nonexistent. Your personal experience is one woman’s experience among billions, just as one man’s experience cannot represent every man. Men have had to worry about jealous exes, husbands, boyfriends, rivals, and other men connected to the women they are dating, and there are statistics showing that men face a higher overall risk of serious violence. Saying the attacker is usually another man does not erase the male victim. A good man bein…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 05:09 AM
8	Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or Bad Well, if a man isn't looking for a life partner, then that doesn't matter. You ever think of that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 05:01 AM
8	Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or Bad Yeah, women always try to find ways to make men's preferences a problem, like I was saying earlier.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 04:57 AM
2	How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*? You have nothing to do with me having the last one, BTW. I just would like to put the closing touches on this silly debate you started. So how about you enjoy just not replying to me again, period, regardless of the subject. That sounds like something more enjoyable to me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 04:56 AM
2	Whats your reasoning that you actually notice your own privilege? I don't think it's accurate to say men have less chance of physical violence during dating or romantic interactions. Men face a different set of risks. Other men can and do attack them over women, whether it's jealous boyfriends, husbands, exes, or rivals. Men are also far more likely than women to be victims of violence committed by other men in general. The risks aren't identical, but that doesn't mean one side is free from serious physical danger. Women are understandably concerned about viol…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 04:54 AM
8	Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or Bad See what you just did after I just pointed it out, lol. You did all that from men letting their preferences be known, so thanks for helping me prove my point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 04:45 AM
2	How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*? Yeah, you are clearly wrong and just going in circles. Regardless, I didn't ask for your take to begin with. You decided to reply with your nonsense on this old reply.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 04:39 AM
9	Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or Bad When a woman says she likes tall men, the mainstream response is usually that she's entitled to her preference and men should move on. Compare that to a man saying he prefers younger women, a lower body count, or traditional femininity. He's much more likely to be called shallow, misogynistic, insecure, or controlling. Pointing to people complaining online doesn't really address the broader social response. The question isn't whether anyone objects to women's preferences. It's whose preferences …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 04:38 AM
6	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Nope women have success doing that all the time so that is definitely not common. So maybe wherever you are from that is a thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/26 04:34 AM
11	AI is now banned and also join our discord come argue with incels, misogynists and misandrists A quality-based rule makes more sense than a blanket AI rule because it targets the actual problem instead of the tool being used. If the content is obviously AI and hurts the quality of the subreddit, remove it. If it's good enough that it blends in with normal writing, then it's hard to argue it's creating the same issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 11:40 PM
7	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Maybe you're talking about someone repeatedly showing up to the exact same place hoping something finally happens despite constant rejection. I can see how that could eventually come across as desperate. Going into new social spaces where you might meet someone isn't the same thing, though. Men can also much more easily come across as desperate because they're generally expected to create opportunities rather than wait for them. If a man isn't actively making things happen, he often ends up with…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 11:33 PM
4	Dating Advice For Men Doesn't Work Because Women Don't Actually Know What They Want. A lot of the frameworks in that list assume you can figure out what women want, then optimize yourself around it. The problem is that what someone says they want and what they actually respond to don't always stay lined up. A guy can do everything a framework tells him to do and still end up confused because the target moved while he was trying to hit it. You see that outside dating all the time. People swear they're eating healthy, then order the burger. They say they're done spending money, th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 11:25 PM
3	men treat hoes differently I don't think that's a rebuttal at all. If anything, it explains why what I said happens. If men use different filters depending on whether they're looking for something casual or long term, then the way a woman presents herself naturally affects which filter gets activated first. A woman who dresses and carries herself in a more reserved way is more likely to be perceived as someone interested in a relationship. A woman who presents herself in a much more sexualized way is more likely to be per…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 11:08 PM
2	Men don't ask women to have low standards, they ask women to have realistic ones Yeah, it's silly as hell. The rating system has been around a long time and is used by many different types of people to describe things, including peoples looks, so this poster is just making stuff up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 11:02 PM
1	How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*? Nope, you missed the point entirely and just keep repeating nonsense, so it is probably best to stop, especially since you don't want to explain your claims.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 10:59 PM
7	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” That isn't really true because the expectations aren't the same. It's generally expected that women will put themselves in social spaces where they might meet men, and most don't come across as desperate simply because they're open to meeting someone. The women most likely to be viewed negatively are usually those whom men already find very unattractive, particularly if they're severely obese. Otherwise there is very little chance for them to look bad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 10:54 PM
3	Men don't ask women to have low standards, they ask women to have realistic ones Nah, that's not even close to true. That's been a thing for many people to do for decades.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 10:49 PM
5	CMV: Women shouldn't complain that men don't pull their weight in cooking + cleaning + parenting based on dubious self-reported statistics when they are willing to pay men for it. Women are generally cited as influencing something like seventy to eighty percent of consumer spending. That doesn't mean every purchase runs through a deliberate gender choice. Most people booking a caterer or a cleaner are chasing price and quality, not checking who's on the other end. Even so, a lot of that spending still ends up paying majority male professionals in cooking and parts of the cleaning industry. Professional kitchens staffed mostly by men show that people are perfectly willing …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 06:33 AM
11	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” That isn't really true because the dating dynamics aren't the same. A woman can put herself in spaces where she hopes to meet a man without coming across as desperate because men are generally expected to approach first. A man putting himself in those same spaces with the hope of meeting women is much more likely to be seen as desperate because he's the one expected to actively pursue. The same behavior isn't judged the same way, which is exactly why waiting is a much more viable strategy for wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 05:40 AM
3	How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*? I believe you're confused about what I said, or maybe you haven't really explained your own point, which could definitely be the case since your replies have been very short. When I say "on average," I'm talking about the overall pattern across billions of men and women. Men, on average, have a much stronger sex drive than women. Some men have an extremely high libido while others don't, but as a group the average is still much higher than it is for women. So if that flipped, women would become …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 05:24 AM
11	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” They absolutely can be taken seriously. Sure, some guys won't take them seriously, but that's true regardless of what strategy a woman uses. That doesn't change the fact that waiting can be a very successful strategy for women. Some women do exactly that and still end up finding relationships because men continue approaching them over time. Women also don't tend to come across as desperate simply for waiting the way men often do. A man who sits back and waits can easily end up with no opportunit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 05:09 AM
24	It’s unrealistic to expect men to find romance by just “living their lives.” Well, a good amount of men aren't Gen Z as well. Online can be hard work if they are having to swipe a ton on many different apps to get any interest, so that can definitely count.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 05:02 AM
4	Unsuccessful men on the dating regard should just accept it and continue with their lives If it were really that easy, there wouldn't be so many men struggling to move on. The reality is that men, on average, have a much stronger sex drive than women do. That alone makes it much harder for many men to simply decide they no longer care about dating or sex. Hope is another major factor. Most men don't think, "I'll be alone forever." They think maybe next month, next year, or after they improve themselves things will finally work out. As long as that hope exists, they're going to keep t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 04:58 AM
4	How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*? Yes, it actually would make a noticeable difference because men, on average, enjoy sex more than women do and generally have a much stronger sex drive. Men also tend to be easier to sexually satisfy. Those differences are a big part of why men pursue sex as much as they do in the first place. If those differences were reversed, it wouldn't just reduce men's motivation over time it would likely increase women's. The sex that experiences the stronger drive and gets more enjoyment from sex is natur…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 04:31 AM
11	Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or Bad Not weird at all since it likely comes up in different types of dating discussions, especially ones that ask men about said preferences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 04:24 AM
29	Male Attraction is Treated as Normal and Women's Attraction is Seen as Shallow or Bad That isn't close at all to how these situations are treated today. If anything, society is much quicker to criticize men's attraction and much more reluctant to criticize women's preferences. Women's standards are routinely defended as personal preference no matter how demanding they are. Whether it's height, income, confidence, status, education, or lifestyle, the response is usually that women are entitled to their preferences and men should either meet them or move on. Only communities like t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 04:14 AM
6	Men aren't supposed to be seductive Society has largely pushed things in that direction. Men are still expected to meet many of the traditional standards be confident, make the first move, provide value, plan dates, be emotionally steady, and remain attractive while women have been encouraged to reject many of the traditional expectations that were once placed on them. The result is that one side is expected to keep fulfilling its role while the other is increasingly told it should be accepted regardless of how much it contributes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 04:08 AM
5	men treat hoes differently The biggest difference you described isn't really attractiveness. It's how different men perceive the two groups before they even approach. The way someone presents themselves changes the expectations people have. If a woman dresses and carries herself in a more reserved way, many men are naturally more likely to assume she's looking for something serious or that casual sex isn't going to happen quickly. That tends to attract men who are willing to pursue a relationship or who adjust their behav…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 04:00 AM
3	Q4W: Why do women get so much more leeway in terms of being insecure/jealous in dating/ relationships? That doesn't really address what I argued. My point wasn't that women or the general public see jealousy as proof of love. It was that women's jealousy is generally treated as more understandable and legitimate than men's. Whether a man personally likes a jealous partner has nothing to do with the social response each sex receives for expressing jealousy. A woman being upset over likes, follows, or attention toward other women is much more likely to have her concerns validated as protecting the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/26 03:56 AM
5	Women are to blame for doing more house work and not men Mess tolerance isn't something anyone picks. It shows up early and mostly stays put. A stack of dishes sitting out doesn't register as a problem to some people. To others the same stack feels like the room is falling apart. Part of why women tend to land lower on that scale probably traces back to how girls get raised around mess. Corrected more for clutter, praised more for keeping a room tidy, watched more closely growing up. That kind of repetition trains what counts as messy long before anyo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 07:28 PM
6	Just because a woman wants a relationship with you doesn't mean she desires you. Relationship status is a weak indicator of desire because relationships can be entered for reasons that have nothing to do with wanting someone the most. Stability, security, companionship, long-term compatibility, or simply deciding someone is a safe bet can all produce the exact same outcome. Looking at the relationship alone doesn't tell you which motivation mattered most. Casual sex is different because it removes most of those competing incentives. There isn't a long-term future being built…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 07:05 PM
4	Men don't ask women to have low standards, they ask women to have realistic ones Whether people like it or not, the number scale is a real thing. It isn't meant to measure someone's worth as a person. It's simply shorthand for perceived physical attractiveness. The fact that different people have different preferences doesn't make the concept meaningless. People disagree about movies, food, and music too, yet they still rank them. Love also doesn't make someone objectively more physically attractive. It changes how attractive they are to you. Those are two different things. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 06:54 PM
4	Why don't unattractive men want to completely eradicate their libido? You're acting as if there's only one possible outcome, when there are several. A high libido doesn't automatically mean a man is doomed to spend the rest of his life masturbating. As long as he's still alive, there's always the possibility of meeting someone in the future, especially if he's willing to lower his standards. A lot of men don't want to do that initially, but priorities change with age, and some eventually decide they'd rather have a decent partner than keep holding out for someone …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 06:30 PM
3	Q4W: Why do women get so much more leeway in terms of being insecure/jealous in dating/ relationships? YEs that claim is correct. The original claim wasn't that women were never criticized for being upset about men looking at other women or liking thirst traps. It was that women generally received more leeway, more sympathy, and fewer social consequences for those boundaries. Pointing out that some women were called jealous or insecure doesn't disprove a broader social tendency. It only disproves a claim the OP never made. Your comparisons also aren't actually comparable. A man actively looking a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 06:24 PM
10	Men are not the arbiters of reasonable standards Having standards isn't the issue. The issue is whether those standards are realistic, consistently applied, and actually lead to better relationship outcomes. Simply because women choose their own partners doesn't mean their standards are beyond criticism. Men don't have to date men to recognize patterns in dating, just as women don't have to date women to have opinions about men's standards. If certain standards consistently leave people struggling to find compatible partners or repeatedly sele…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 08:16 AM
–	which one of these preferences is more moral to have A lot more men probably would if it were actually legal. In most places it isn't, so "just hire an escort" isn't a practical solution for the average guy. Even if it were legal, it's not as appealing because it's a straightforward pay-for-play transaction. For many men, part of the appeal is naturally attracting a woman, even if their success or financial situation helped make them more attractive. Since society doesnt look at that as nearly the same thing. That feels fundamentally different fro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 07:50 AM
3	Women are emotionally more resilient and self-reliant as single women do not whine, cry, complain, and moan about being lonely nearly as much as single men do. You're treating men's reactions as though they exist in a vacuum while ignoring the differences that help explain them. On average, men have a stronger sex drive than women, so prolonged singleness is often experienced differently. That doesn't excuse unhealthy behavior, but it does make the comparison less straightforward than you're presenting. It's also much harder for men to talk about loneliness, dating struggles, or feeling unwanted in real life without being judged, mocked, or told to "ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 07:38 AM
3	Q4W: Why do women get so much more leeway in terms of being insecure/jealous in dating/ relationships? That comparison still does not establish the same kind of social response men receive. Women criticizing other women for getting easy attention from sexualized posts were usually called jealous or insecure because nearly any woman can get likes that way if she chooses to post that kind of content. From that perspective, hating another woman for receiving predictable attention made little sense when the same option was broadly available to women themselves. I also doubt misogynistic was the main …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 07:25 AM
3	we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently. Yeah, I wouldn't say it isn't good advice, but it's harder to do for men for sure, especially since we have way more drive on average to partner up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 07:11 AM
6	Why do they say that there are no benefits in a man having a woman as a friend? That should be perfectly acceptable. Women aren't obligated to be friends with men they don't want in their lives, so the same principle applies in reverse. Some men simply don't want friendships with women unless there's romantic or sexual interest, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that preference. If a man repeatedly has the kinds of experiences you described, it's understandable why he'd decide he no longer wants female friends. For some men, spending time with women is only worthwhi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 10:11 PM
3	Dating is harder for men in their 30s vs their 20s due to increased market efficiency You're arguing against a position I wasn't making. I wasn't talking about the women who spent their 20s accumulating kids from multiple relationships or bringing a mountain of baggage into their 30s. Those are exactly the kinds of situations many men are better off avoiding. My point is that most men aren't going to land the exceptionally attractive woman with little relationship history once they reach their 30s. That becomes increasingly unrealistic. What they can realistically do, if they spe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 10:04 PM
8	we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently. The underlying principle is more consistent than the social reaction to it. Most people would agree nobody is entitled to another person's body, time, labor, or resources. The difference is that people tend to recognize entitlement most readily when it resembles the forms of exploitation they're most familiar with. Women are generally more attuned to sexual exploitation, while men are generally more attuned to being valued primarily for what they can provide. Both are legitimate concerns, yet on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 08:55 PM
6	Q4W: Why do women get so much more leeway in terms of being insecure/jealous in dating/ relationships? You're sidestepping the point by turning it into "everyone has different opinions." Nobody claimed there was an absolute consensus. The point is about broad social norms and which insecurities tend to receive validation versus ridicule. Your own examples actually illustrate that the standards aren't applied as consistently as you're suggesting. A man being uncomfortable with revealing social media posts is frequently told he's insecure or controlling because "she can wear what she wants." Yet a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 08:25 PM
1	we already agree on the principle, we're just not applying it consistently. The line works better on women since they typically will have a lot more options to do so, unlike most men. Not to say he shouldn't, but it can definitely be harder to get options, let alone decent ones that won't do this type of stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 08:19 PM
4	What do you mean exactly when you say that men are “disappointing”? When women say men are "disappointing," they're often not saying men are bad people. They're saying the men they're encountering fall short of what they expected dating and relationships to be like. From this perspective, "disappointing" usually means the average man isn't matching the qualities they hoped to find. That can include confidence, ambition, social skills, emotional stability, physical attractiveness, financial stability, leadership, or simply the ability to make them feel attracted …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 08:14 PM
5	Q4W: Why do women get so much more leeway in terms of being insecure/jealous in dating/ relationships? That does not match how these situations are usually treated now. Women’s jealousy is often framed as understandable, protective, or proof that she cares, while men expressing similar discomfort are quickly called insecure or controlling. A woman can be upset over likes, follows, glances, or attention toward another woman and still receive plenty of social validation for it. A man raising concerns about revealing posts, obvious flirting, clubs, or close male friends is much more likely to be tol…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 07:44 PM
4	Men don't ask women to have low standards, they ask women to have realistic ones That's understandable, but if your standards consistently revolve around men who have far more options than you, then it shouldn't be surprising when those men don't choose you for a serious relationship. Some women who are a 4 or 5 convince themselves they should be able to lock down an 8 or 9 because those men were willing to give them attention or sleep with them. Then, when commitment never comes, instead of questioning whether they were aiming far above their relationship market, they concl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 07:33 PM
2	People want for relationships is strongly tied to what they have been taught and culture I think a lot of it comes down to people wanting things that close friendships usually can't provide. For many men especially, a romantic relationship isn't just about having someone around. It's about sexual intimacy, building a family, emotional connection, exclusivity, and having a partner to share life with. Those are things a friendship generally doesn't replace. You're right that younger generations are more accepting of staying single, and for people who genuinely don't want a relationshi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 07:27 PM
2	Young women (18-24) dont want older men 35+ I think you're overlooking which men I'm talking about. Younger men who are already highly attractive and have lots of options aren't representative of most younger men. They're a small subset. My point was that if a woman spends her younger years pursuing those men, it's not surprising she struggles to get commitment because those are the very men with the most leverage to be selective. Later on, she may have more success with an older man who's struggled himself and is more willing to settle d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 07:01 PM
1	Dating is harder for men in their 30s vs their 20s due to increased market efficiency Yeah, the most successful guys. That's not the common experience for most men, which Is a bit surprising that you don't recognize given that you're RP. Using the men who had the easiest time dating early doesn't tell us much about the average man. Most men don't have those kinds of options in their 20s, so pointing to the most successful examples isn't representative of how men generally experience the dating market.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 06:58 PM
9	Why don't unattractive men want to completely eradicate their libido? Because that's simply part of being a man, and for many men it's one of the main things that motivates them to improve their lives, take risks, and pursue relationships in the first place. Getting rid of their libido wouldn't just remove frustration, it would also remove one of their biggest drives. Many men also hold onto hope that things can improve. Just because they're struggling today doesn't mean they believe they'll struggle forever. Removing their libido means giving up on that possibili…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 05:13 AM
2	Young women (18-24) dont want older men 35+ That doesn't really contradict my point. If an older man is more willing to overlook a woman's lack of attractiveness because he wants to settle down, then he's still accepting a deal that a younger man with more options likely wouldn't. Whether his motivation is age, wanting kids, stability, or anything else doesn't change the outcome. The point is that some women can secure relationships with older men because those men are often willing to accept terms that younger men with more options are n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 05:09 AM
4	Dating is harder for men in their 30s vs their 20s due to increased market efficiency I think that's true for men who are already highly attractive in their 20s, but they aren't representative of most men. A lot of men, including plenty of good men, aren't viewed as total catches right out of the gate. They have to build themselves into that through their careers, finances, confidence, and overall stability. That's one of the biggest differences between men and women. On average, women generally have the opportunity to date and find long-term relationships throughout their 20s, w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 04:49 AM
6	Men don't ask women to have low standards, they ask women to have realistic ones Yeah, some women definitely do that, especially if they are at least average-looking. An average woman can still receive enough compliments, matches, attention, and occasional access to highly desirable men that her perception of her own dating value becomes inflated. The problem is that attention is not the same as commitment. A more attractive man being willing to sleep with her does not necessarily mean he sees her as an equal long-term option. If she treats that temporary access as proof tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 03:55 AM
9	Dating is harder for men in their 30s vs their 20s due to increased market efficiency I think your conclusion overlooks how differently men can end up in their 30s. Self-improvement can absolutely help, but it doesn't guarantee a better dating market. For one, not every man ages well in terms of attractiveness. A man can looksmaxx, stay in shape, keep his hair, and still not be as desirable to many women as he was when he was younger. Age affects people differently, so simply "doing the work" doesn't guarantee the outcome you're describing. The other factor is standards. Some men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 03:44 AM
4	Dating is harder for men in their 30s vs their 20s due to increased market efficiency I don't think those situations are really comparable. For many men, their 20s are spent trying to build themselves into someone women find attractive enough for long-term commitment. They're getting established financially, building confidence, advancing their careers, and becoming more competitive in the dating market. For women, it's different because they've generally had far more dating and relationship opportunities throughout their 20s. If a woman reaches her 30s still single, it's fair to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 03:19 AM
5	Handsome and Socially intelligent dude tries for 6 months in dating apps and failing miserably, shows that as a man if you want playtime, you must make dating your everything to get anything in the dating market Well, he did say he was only using Hinge for this experiment, so that's definitely not a good move for a guy. Dating apps are already hard enough for men, so limiting yourself to just one for six months makes even less sense. At the very least, it's better to be on a few different apps instead of putting all your hopes into a single one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 03:08 AM
5	Q4W: Why do women get so much more leeway in terms of being insecure/jealous in dating/ relationships? Women get more leeway because society is generally far less willing to judge women harshly for dating behavior, especially when the criticism could make women uncomfortable. A woman’s jealousy is often treated as understandable, while a man expressing an unfavorable boundary or preference is quickly labeled insecure, controlling, possessive, or threatened. That difference matters because those labels are not applied neutrally. They are often used to shame men out of standards that inconvenience …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 02:48 AM
19	Why do they say that there are no benefits in a man having a woman as a friend? Yeah, it can be in some cases, as long as he doesn't have romantic feelings for her. If the attraction isn't there and both people genuinely see each other as friends, then a female friendship can absolutely be valuable for some men. Things like trust, loyalty, shared interests, and support aren't exclusive to either sex. The biggest complication is when one person wants more than friendship. That's usually where problems start, because the relationship is no longer built on the same expectation…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 02:40 AM
7	The idea that most men who struggle in the modern sexual marketplace are socially inept is a blue pill caricature Either that, or some men end up taking really bad deals just to be with someone, whether that's settling for a woman they aren't genuinely attracted to, a woman who's extremely bad off in some way, or both.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 02:36 AM
5	The idea that most men who struggle in the modern sexual marketplace are socially inept is a blue pill caricature That actually reinforces my point. A man can have perfectly normal social skills and still fail because dating requires several conditions to align at the same time: attraction, availability, proximity, timing, and an actual opportunity to meet. None of those are guaranteed. That is why reducing male dating failure to “poor social skills” is so incomplete. Social skill only matters after access exists. It cannot create compatible women nearby, make them single, make them attracted, or guarantee …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 02:25 AM
5	The Voice Memo Guy, Proves Women Also Can’t Handle Rejection. Im not saying consent can be given hours or days in advance and remain valid regardless of what happens later. Consent still has to exist at the time of the encounter, and either person can change their mind. The point is that he was being honest about what he was looking for before investing more time. That's not the same as asking her to pre-consent to sex. He was communicating his expectations for continuing the relationship, giving her the opportunity to decide they weren't compatible and wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 02:19 AM
4	The disparity between good men and good women One reason that can happen is that society generally doesn't tell women they're bad partners nearly as often as it tells men they're bad partners. Men constantly receive messages about improving themselves, communicating better, earning more, being more confident, and treating women better. Women certainly receive criticism too, but it's much less common for society to seriously question whether they're good partners unless their behavior is extremely bad. Because of that, it's easier for many w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/26 04:05 AM
1	The disparity between good men and good women One reason that can happen is that society generally doesn't tell women they're bad partners nearly as often as it tells men they're bad partners. Men receive constant messages about improving themselves, communicating better, earning more, being more confident, and treating women better. Women certainly receive criticism too, but it's much less common for society to seriously question whether they're good partners unless their behavior is extremely bad. Because of that, it's easier for many wom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/26 04:03 AM
9	The Voice Memo Guy, Proves Women Also Can’t Handle Rejection. Many women say they want men to be more honest, communicate their intentions clearly, and obtain explicit consent, yet situations like this show why men often feel they're being given conflicting expectations. If a man is upfront that sexual compatibility is important to him and that he doesn't want to continue dating without it, he's giving the woman the information she needs to decide whether they're compatible. She is completely free to say no and walk away. That doesn't mean his approach is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/26 03:38 AM
1	I have a question. Why do men seem to care more about what women do more than women care more about what men do? Yeah looks like I did 20 days ago.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/26 03:31 AM
3	The Red Pill is a conspiracy based on low understanding of Sociology. That is just your assumption that the vast majority of Red Pill supporters don't understand these concepts. That's a claim that still needs to be demonstrated, not assumed. It's also possible many understand the concepts just fine but aren't always very good at applying them consistently in real time. That's a different criticism than saying they fundamentally don't understand them. More importantly, someone can fully understand a framework and still reject it because they think it explains real…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/26 03:29 AM
4	Women control the grey area I think it's probably a combination of several things rather than just one reason. Some women don't want to feel pressured, so even a direct question can feel like they're being asked to make an immediate decision. Others prefer attraction to develop naturally and find explicit discussions about sex early on to be awkward or unromantic. Modern dating also sends mixed messages. Men are often told to communicate clearly and get enthusiastic consent, yet they're also expected to read subtle cues, b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/26 03:43 PM
13	The Red Pill is a conspiracy based on low understanding of Sociology. I actually think the Red Pill does a better job than most groups at breaking these issues down. Whether people ultimately agree with its conclusions is a separate question, but one of the reasons it has resonated with so many men is that it attempts to explain recurring dating patterns and social dynamics instead of dismissing men's experiences outright. I also don't think it's fair to suggest Red Pill supporters simply don't understand these concepts. Many understand how sociology defines terms…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/26 03:36 PM
5	Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are not I think a big reason is that society still measures men's worth much more by what they produce and provide than by whether they're personally fulfilled. A woman choosing to stay single is often seen as someone protecting her peace and living life on her own terms. A man making the same choice is much more likely to be viewed as someone who has given up, failed, or isn't contributing the way he's expected to. That makes sense when you consider traditional gender expectations haven't disappeared e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/26 05:56 AM
–	Do most women take the marriage and kids revelation as positive or negative realistically? Yeah, I think that definitely happens for some women. As the party phase winds down, priorities change and many start looking for a serious relationship, marriage, and children instead. That doesn't automatically mean they're desperate. Sometimes it's a genuine change in what they want. That said, it's also understandable why some men question it. If a woman spent years rejecting men like him and only becomes interested once she's looking to settle down, he'll naturally wonder whether she's choo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/26 05:15 AM
1	Do most women take the marriage and kids revelation as positive or negative realistically? Yeah, I think that definitely happens for some women. As the party phase winds down, priorities change and many start looking for a serious relationship, marriage, and children instead. That doesn't automatically mean they're desperate. Sometimes it's a genuine change in what they want. That said, it's also understandable why some men question it. If a woman spent years rejecting men like him and only becomes interested once she's looking to settle down, he'll naturally wonder whether she's choo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/26 05:05 AM
18	When (and if) unattractive men get money and status as they get older, what happens? Yeah, a lot of women already do this with men anyway. A man's income, stability, or status can make him more appealing as a long-term partner even when the physical attraction isn't particularly strong. It just becomes much more pronounced at the top because the incentives are much greater. That's why men in that position are probably better off enjoying those relationships casually rather than assuming they're automatically built on genuine desire. There's nothing wrong with having fun if both …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/26 04:49 AM
3	I don't think women love men the way men love women and that's not a bad thing Yeah, I think men's love is generally more genuine in the sense that it's less conditional. Men are often willing to love and sacrifice for a woman simply because they love her, even when she isn't providing status, resources, or other tangible benefits. That's one reason men have historically been more willing to risk their lives to protect women. That doesn't mean women's love is fake. It just tends to be more conditional on qualities like competence, confidence, ambition, stability, and the a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/26 04:42 AM
4	Q4W: What fraction of men do you think experience genuine sexual desire from a woman at least once during his life? What fraction of men do you think are capable of experiencing it? I don't think it's as rare as 5%, but I do think it's unevenly distributed. A relatively small percentage of men probably experience genuine, unsolicited sexual desire from women on a regular basis. Many average men may experience it only occasionally, and often not from women they're especially attracted to. The top men simply experience it more consistently and from a broader range of women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/26 04:02 AM
5	Passport bros is the only real solution for average and below average men. And men and women should agree with it Yeah, this really shouldn't be seen as a big deal. If women are free to seek partners wherever they believe they'll be happiest, then men should have that same freedom without being shamed for it. There's nothing inherently wrong with looking outside your own country if that's where someone believes they're more likely to find a compatible relationship. A lot of the criticisms don't really hold up because the same arguments could be made about the women in those countries. If someone says, "They…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 11:15 PM
2	Men don’t want relationships, they want service Not sure why you don't already know but sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 11:06 PM
2	Men don’t want relationships, they want service Obviously the point is that if one partner no longer genuinely desires the other long term, it's reasonable for the other person to see that as a major relationship problem and decide to leave. Wanting mutually desired sex isn't the same as trying to negotiate or force desire.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 11:03 PM
–	Men are more shallow than women and you know it Men caring about looks still does not make them automatically more shallow. Women often evaluate men across a much wider range of traits: height, face, body, confidence, social skill, status, income, ambition, experience, charisma, and the ability to lead and pursue. A man may care strongly about physical attraction, but his standards are often simpler and more flexible than the full package many women expect. The pursuit dynamic matters too. Men are generally expected to approach, create intere…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 10:49 PM
2	Men don’t want relationships, they want service Not really. Your earlier argument framed men as though they primarily value women for sexual access and that this is inherently objectifying. That's different from saying sex is one of the major motivations for entering a romantic relationship. Those aren't equivalent positions. So no, we're not saying the same thing. I'm saying sex is a normal and important part of romantic relationships for many men, not that it's all they value or that women are nothing more than a means to obtain it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 10:42 PM
2	Men don’t want relationships, they want service Well, like I said, if men are doing a lot of the work to make things happen, then it’s not that crazy of a deal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 10:39 PM
6	Question for women: When you genuinely like a guy and feel like the interest might be mutual, what do you actually expect him to do? From what I've seen, if a woman genuinely likes a man and believes the interest is mutual, she usually expects him to move things forward. That doesn't necessarily mean grand romantic gestures, but it often means initiating conversations, asking her out, showing clear intent, and taking the lead instead of waiting indefinitely for perfect certainty. Many women say they want things to happen naturally, but "naturally" still often involves the man making the first move and creating momentum. Confi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:44 PM
–	Why do women so drastically change their mind about marriage? That would make sense, especially because marriage often gives women more upside and more protection if it ends. Men are still commonly expected to propose, provide, protect, and carry the financial burden, while women often receive more social sympathy, legal protection, and practical support when the relationship breaks down. So it is not surprising that women may push harder for marriage while also being quicker to leave when the marriage no longer feels emotionally fulfilling. If marriage is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:35 PM
5	Men don’t want relationships, they want service Of course there's more to relationships than sex, but sex is still one of the main reasons most men pursue romantic relationships in the first place. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. If hugs, companionship, and emotional connection were enough on their own, most men probably wouldn't be willing to take on the amount of rejection, initiation, competition, and risk that dating typically requires. That doesn't mean men only care about sex. Most are looking for affection, companionship, l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:29 PM
5	Boys are supposed to BECOME men One reason is that men historically didn't have the luxury of being emotionally fragile because the cost of failure was much higher. A man who couldn't hunt, fight, protect, or endure hardship didn't just risk his own well-being he risked his family's and sometimes his entire community's survival. Traits like resilience, emotional control, and perseverance were rewarded because they increased the chances of survival. That doesn't mean men shouldn't have emotions. It means there were strong evolu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:14 PM
5	Men don’t want relationships, they want service Yeah, women often try to frame it in the worst way possible and make it seem evil to want something that many men desire quite a bit. It's the main driving force behind why many men take on so much risk in the first place. Saying the type of stuff they do about it is silly for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:06 PM
5	Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. I think that's a different situation. If the weight gain is the result of pregnancy, a chronic illness, or a disability that causes irreversible changes, then most reasonable people would view that differently. Those aren't simply cases of someone choosing to stop taking care of themselves. That said, I still don't think a man is automatically wrong if he eventually decides to leave because the attraction is gone, especially if the relationship is still relatively new and the physical changes ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 07:02 PM
3	Lots of the frustrations in the current dating world are from some men refusing to accept that most women are generally more valuable than most men No, mine wasn’t idiocy at all, unlike what I just read, which was a silly response for sure. You're making a huge leap from "women are generally less physically dangerous" to "women are more moral." Those are not the same thing. Being physically weaker doesn't automatically make someone more virtuous. Morality is about choices, not physical capability. A person's inability to inflict the same level of physical harm doesn't prove they're a better human being. You also say women have always been w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 06:56 PM
4	Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. I think that's a reasonable distinction. If a man married a woman who was fit and that physical attraction was one of the things that drew him to her, it isn't wrong for that preference to remain. Pregnancy and recovery are obviously different. Most reasonable men understand that her body will change and that it takes time to recover, so expecting her to immediately return to her previous shape would be unfair. Where I disagree is if we're talking years later and she's made no real effort to get…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 11:21 AM
3	Lots of the frustrations in the current dating world are from some men refusing to accept that most women are generally more valuable than most men Because reality doesn't change just because it's unpleasant. Knowing the truth gives someone the chance to adapt instead of wasting years chasing advice that doesn't match how the world actually works. The Red Pill isn't helpful because it tells men they'll all become the attractive guy. It's helpful because it encourages men to focus on what they can control rather than believing everyone starts on equal footing or that the world will eventually reward them just for being themselves. That's a m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 11:10 AM
5	Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. I don't think women should be bullied out of their preferences, but by the same token, women shouldn't try to shame or bully men out of theirs either. That's the part that often gets overlooked. If both sexes are free to have preferences, then both sexes should be free to express them without being told they're immoral, insecure, misogynistic, or entitled simply because those preferences are unpopular. This is especially frustrating given that men generally have the harder road in dating. They'r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 10:56 AM
–	Social justice for me but not for thee: Common female reactions to the 'hiplet' trend versus to heightshaming men are showing their double standards and inherent view of males as lesser beings - just as the trend intended Yeah, this really shouldn't be surprising. Society has consistently been much more willing to rally around women's insecurities than men's. When women are body shamed, the conversation quickly becomes about changing attitudes and reducing the stigma. When men are mocked for something like height, the response is much more likely to be "just be confident," "stop being insecure," or "work on your personality." The standards are simply different. One side is encouraged to expect social change, whil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 10:48 AM
6	Men don’t want relationships, they want service Nah, if that was one of the main reasons he wanted to be in a relationship, then it isn't selfish at all, especially if both people understood and agreed to that expectation before the relationship even started. Wanting one of the core things that drew someone into a committed relationship isn't the same as believing you're entitled to another person's body. No, he won't physically die without sex, but people can absolutely feel emotionally broken or deeply unhappy when one of the biggest reason…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 10:38 AM
4	Men don’t want relationships, they want service Doesn't matter its still reasonable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 10:31 AM
2	Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill. That has already been covered. So first you pretend I didn't answer any of your questions now you are pretending like certain things weren't already addressed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 10:30 AM
5	Men don’t want relationships, they want service Wanting sex to remain a major part of a relationship is not inherently horrible or abusive. For many men, sexual intimacy is one of the main reasons they are willing to invest so much time, effort, commitment, protection, and provision into a relationship in the first place. It makes sense that once they enter one, they expect that important benefit to remain part of the relationship rather than disappear entirely. That does not mean marriage is blanket consent or that pressure and coercion are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 12:58 AM
5	Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill. It's kind of funny how this went from saying I wasn't addressing your claims to now responding to the very claims you said I wasn't addressing. I did address one of your main themes from the beginning. My point was that many criticisms of the Red Pill focus on the people, reputation, and labels attached to it instead of directly engaging with its arguments. You disagreed with that point, which is fine, but that's very different from saying I wasn't addressing your post. Now you're arguing that t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 12:49 AM
4	Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. I don't think many men would disagree that humor, kindness, intelligence, and similar traits matter. The question is what gets someone through the door in the first place. Saying "my gut decides" doesn't really answer what influences that gut feeling or why certain men consistently generate it while others don't. The apps also don't really explain the broader pattern. If the issue were simply that apps fail to capture quirky personalities, then average men would be doing much better once they me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/26 12:44 AM
16	After a lot of self-reflection, I realised that men create their own problems and blaming women is counterproductive and harmful This isn't some groundbreaking realization. Men already hear this message everywhere. If a man fails in dating, marriage, finances, or life in general, the default response is almost always that he should have made better choices, worked harder, improved himself, or accepted the consequences. Men are already held accountable by society. That's why this argument doesn't really move the conversation forward. Very few people are telling men they have no responsibility for their own lives. The disag…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 06:15 PM
0	Why do women so drastically change their mind about marriage? That would make sense, especially because marriage often gives women more upside and more protection if it ends. Men are still commonly expected to propose, provide, protect, and carry the financial burden, while women often receive more social sympathy, legal protection, and practical support when the relationship breaks down. So it is not surprising that women may push harder for marriage while also being quicker to leave when the marriage no longer feels emotionally fulfilling. If marriage is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 06:00 PM
5	Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. No, I think you're still reframing the argument. No one is saying women literally sit down with a checklist or run men through HR. The point is that standards exist whether they're written down or not. Attraction isn't random. It's influenced by the traits someone values, consciously or unconsciously. If a woman consistently rejects average men while only finding a much smaller group attractive, it's reasonable to ask whether her standards are realistic or whether they're being shaped by factors…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 05:57 PM
4	Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill. One of your main themes was that the Red Pill's underlying issues get dismissed instead of being addressed. My response speaks directly to that by arguing that many criticisms focus on the people, reputation, or stereotypes associated with the Red Pill rather than engaging with its actual claims. So maybe trying rereading it again with that understanding.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 05:51 PM
1	if given two options, 99.9% of women would choose the shy guy over a serial killer It really doesn't happen very often at all without major pushback. The phrase "choose better" exists, but in practice it's frequently condemned as victim blaming or misogynistic when directed at women. That's why it rarely becomes the accepted takeaway from those discussions. The criticism is usually redirected back toward the man, while criticism of the woman's choices is treated much more cautiously. I also don't think I went off topic. Your post wasn't just about whether women consciously pre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 05:48 PM
5	Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. Nah, that isn't the reason that's usually being argued. The point isn't that women should pair up with men they have zero attraction to. It's that many men question whether modern dating standards have become inflated or inconsistent, especially when average people expect well above average outcomes. There's a big difference between saying "date someone you don't want" and saying "have realistic standards." Those are not the same argument. The first ignores attraction entirely. The second questi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 06:46 AM
11	Lots of the frustrations in the current dating world are from some men refusing to accept that most women are generally more valuable than most men I think that's a fair point. Society has become much more willing to question traditional expectations placed on women, while many traditional expectations placed on men have remained largely intact. Men are still generally expected to initiate, pursue, pay, propose, provide, and absorb rejection, yet asking women to reciprocate more often is frequently framed as sexist or insecure. That doesn't mean every change has been negative or that every traditional role should return. The issue is consis…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 06:18 AM
–	Most women don't consider themselves average, and that's a problem Yeah, that can easily be part of it. Women don't have to be in the top tier to receive special treatment in dating. An average woman can still have men approaching her, paying for dates, giving compliments, making the first move, and competing for her attention. For men, that kind of treatment is usually reserved for the small percentage who are exceptionally attractive, successful, or high status. That difference in experience can naturally shape how people see themselves. If you're consistentl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 06:07 AM
10	Lots of the frustrations in the current dating world are from some men refusing to accept that most women are generally more valuable than most men Oh no argument so this silly stuff is said.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 06:01 AM
7	There are no blue pill influencers for men because the lies don't work That's because the blue pill doesn't really offer much of a framework for men anymore. A lot of the discussion has become reacting to or criticizing the Red Pill instead of giving men an alternative that actually explains their experiences or helps them navigate dating. Simply saying "RP is wrong" isn't a substitute for a worldview. If the alternative doesn't resonate with men's lived experiences, it's not surprising that many men end up looking elsewhere.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 02:39 AM
–	How much does past sexual experience shape your current sexual preferences? Past experiences obviously influence preferences. That's true for sex just like it's true for food, hobbies, or relationships. The bigger question is whether those preferences become the standard future partners are measured against. If someone says an ex defined what they enjoy sexually, it's reasonable for a future partner to wonder whether they're being accepted for who they are or expected to recreate someone else's performance. That's not insecurity. Most people don't want to feel like they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 01:03 AM
2	What Aspects of Men's dating life do you have find yourself getting jealous of? With dating, women definitely do, and it isn’t even close. Other than that, yeah, for the most part, both do for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 12:53 AM
1	What Aspects of Men's dating life do you have find yourself getting jealous of? Yeah, I know. I read it. I’m just stating that those same types of risks exist on the men’s side to worry about as well. Of course, you can still be jealous if you want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 12:50 AM
5	What Aspects of Men's dating life do you have find yourself getting jealous of? You listed a lot of the downsides women face, and many of them are real. The issue is that men have their own set of risks that don't simply disappear because women have different ones. You also say dating is safer for men, but that depends on what you're measuring. Men generally don't have to worry as much about sexual assault, but they can absolutely have to worry about violent or unstable exes. There are men who have been attacked or threatened by a current partner's ex despite having nothing…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 12:42 AM
5	Being her best sexually isn't that important and is unrealistic Calling it insecure or whatever else doesn't actually address the preference. It's just a way of shaming men into dropping a standard they don't like. People are allowed to care about a partner's past without that automatically meaning they're insecure. By that logic, almost any dating preference could be dismissed as insecurity. Someone who prefers a financially stable partner could be called insecure. Someone who wants loyalty could be called insecure. Someone who wants a partner without child…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 12:24 AM
17	Lots of the frustrations in the current dating world are from some men refusing to accept that most women are generally more valuable than most men That's a big part of why the Red Pill is helpful for many men. It teaches them to recognize reality for what it is instead of letting comforting narratives shape how they see the world. Once you stop giving those narratives authority over your self-worth, they lose much of their power. For a lot of men, there really isn't much on the blue pill side because it often asks them to ignore experiences they've repeatedly lived through. Even being purple can end up falling short if it still requires ho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 12:19 AM
1	Life as a woman in west is so much easier Not at all im clearly correct and it aint even close.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 12:15 AM
7	Politics matter in dating, why the red pill is political,and why women generally reject the red pill. The biggest issue is that many criticisms of the Red Pill focus more on the people than the arguments. It's common to point to bitter men, extreme forum posts, or bad behavior and then treat that as a refutation of the broader ideas. That doesn't actually address whether the underlying observations are true. If someone claims men are generally expected to initiate, absorb rejection, provide, compete for attention, or face different standards in dating and relationships, the response should be to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 12:11 AM
1	Life as a woman in west is so much easier Yeah you aint saying anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 12:08 AM
–	Which women do men (you) like/love more? The premise doesn't really work because you're trying to isolate sex from the very things that make love possible. Men don't love women simply because they have sex with them. If that were true, every hookup would turn into love, which obviously isn't the case. What many men do value is sexual desire from the woman they're actually invested in. A wife who only wants sex once a month isn't competing against a random woman because she's having less sex. She's competing against the feeling that her…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 12:02 AM
2	Life as a woman in west is so much easier Don't wish anything for me. If anything, this conversation has shown that you're the one struggling to understand men's problems. I've acknowledged women's hardships from the beginning. You keep responding by repeating them as if I denied they exist. My argument has never been that women don't suffer. It's that men's burdens are just as real and are far more likely to be minimized, dismissed, or blamed on men themselves. You keep twisting that into a lack of empathy for women instead of addressi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 11:56 PM
25	Lots of the frustrations in the current dating world are from some men refusing to accept that most women are generally more valuable than most men Society does not treat women as more valuable because women are just objectively better human beings one by one. It treats women as more valuable because female attention, fertility, safety, and approval have always carried more social weight. That is not a moral statement. It is just how people tend to behave. Women are protected more, sympathized with more, forgiven more, and socially centered more because people instinctively view harm to women as more serious and female approval as more impo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 10:34 PM
2	Life as a woman in west is so much easier Yes, we are, because your last few replies have largely repeated arguments I've already addressed rather than responding to the points I actually raised. I never argued that women should "jump into bed" with men or that women are responsible for fixing men's dating struggles. That has never been my position. My argument has been about comparing burdens and how society responds to those burdens. Those are two completely different discussions. You also keep appealing to your life experience as tho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 10:29 PM
2	What Aspects of Men's dating life do you have find yourself getting jealous of? I doubt it, because if most women were genuinely jealous of the male side of dating, you'd expect to see much more pressure to change the gender roles that men are expected to fulfill. Instead, many of those expectations remain widely accepted. Men are still generally expected to initiate, approach, plan dates, risk rejection, make the first move, propose, and often pay. Those are all parts of the dating process that place more responsibility on men. That suggests most women don't actually view …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 06:09 PM
–	If you're a regular, average guy, you don't need to relate on dating apps Nah, if you struggle even when knowing you have an addiction problem, it’s really that simple. All things that people are addicted to are addictive in some way and were designed to help people become addicted to them, so that isn’t anything new. There probably aren’t too many products that exist, or ever have existed, where that wasn’t the case. Hell, the people who got addicted to dating apps likely got addicted to fast food or gambling at casinos at some point. The thing is, they just need to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 05:56 PM
5	Men who don’t approach IRL are behaving in the way they’ve been instructed No, it is true. Society tries to backtrack on the idea to take the steam out of RP, but it was definitely given as dating advice. It’s been over a decade since it was common, so you may not really know if you’re too young.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 05:48 PM
5	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. Nah not really because he is also very charismatic, funny and socially confident along with that which can help some men for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 05:43 PM
2	Life as a woman in west is so much easier I think we're just going in circles at this point because your replies keep repeating the same pattern. You respond by listing women's hardships, and I respond by saying I never denied women have hardships. That has never been the disagreement. My argument has always been comparative. Simply pointing out that pregnancy, motherhood, medical issues, safety concerns, or bad relationships are difficult does not establish that women have the harder life overall. It establishes that women have serious…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 05:40 PM
3	CMV: men are embarassing Yeah, that's exactly why those arguments come across as hollow to a lot of men. The reality is that most women are not walking around with a genuine interest in most men. Most men are invisible to them, and women themselves openly admit they are only attracted to a small percentage of men. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, but once that is acknowledged, it becomes difficult to argue that men owe women some broad emotional investment simply because they are women. People naturally care…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 06:42 AM
18	Men who don’t approach IRL are behaving in the way they’ve been instructed Yeah, that's exactly why so many men found the red pill valuable despite all the criticism. For years, men were told that simply being nice, waiting for the right moment, or just being themselves would naturally lead to success. At the same time, they were increasingly told that approaching women in many normal social settings was inappropriate, creepy, or something to avoid altogether. Now the advice has shifted to, "Get off the apps and meet women in real life," as if men weren't discouraged f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 06:08 AM
4	If you don’t go to clubs/bars you can’t say you want to get women/being introverted is a choice No, I'm not refusing to see it as effort. If anything you are refusing to see my points. All I'm saying is it isn't the same kind of effort. Shaving, makeup, hair, gym, and beauty routines absolutely take time and money, but much of that effort is about improving or maximizing options that many women already have. For many men, approaching, initiating, building social circles, and putting themselves out there isn't about maximizing options it's about having any options at all. That's the distinc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 05:41 AM
2	Life as a woman in west is so much easier I still don’t think this refutes what I’m saying. You keep proving that women have problems, but I never said women have no problems. The argument is comparative. Saying women deal with pregnancy, motherhood, safety concerns, bad men, or medical issues does not automatically prove women have the harder life overall. It just proves women have their own hardships, which I already acknowledged. Biology makes some parts of women’s lives harder, especially pregnancy and childbirth. That is true. It s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 05:34 AM
6	You shouldn't be angry at women I mostly agree. Getting angry at women for responding to incentives doesn't accomplish much. If people have options, they're generally going to make choices they believe are best for themselves. Men would likely do the same if the roles were reversed. I think the more productive approach is understanding those incentives and adapting to them rather than pretending they don't exist. Ironically, some women will criticize men for not understanding female nature, yet when men start recognizing patte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 08:43 PM
5	Saying asking for prenup means you dont trust your partner is hypocritical because the entire marriage system is based on lack of trust. The objection to prenups only makes sense if people pretend marriage itself is not already a legal risk-management structure. A marriage license is not just a romantic statement. It creates legal rules around property, inheritance, medical decisions, taxes, debt, custody, and divorce. So it is strange to say a prenup is insulting because it prepares for failure, while treating marriage as sacred even though marriage is also a legal arrangement that prepares for possible outcomes. That is where t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 08:30 PM
12	The idea that most men who struggle in the modern sexual marketplace are socially inept is a blue pill caricature I think people often confuse social skill with behaviors they're simply more comfortable talking about. It's much easier to say a man succeeds because he's "confident" or "charismatic" than to acknowledge that some of the behaviors leading to success are much more forward, persistent, and risk-taking than society openly encourages. That doesn't mean social skills don't matter. They obviously do. The problem is that they're often treated as the complete explanation for why some men succeed while …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 08:22 PM
2	Men are incompatible with long term partnership I think you're lumping all men together and treating those behaviors as though they're universal, when they're clearly not. Some men absolutely cheat or chase variety, but plenty don't, even when they have opportunities. As for men being attracted to youth and signs of fertility, that's not exactly some hidden revelation. Women also have preferences they select for, whether that's height, confidence, status, ambition, or financial stability. Both sexes have evolved preferences, even if they aren…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 08:06 PM
8	If you don’t go to clubs/bars you can’t say you want to get women/being introverted is a choice You're still comparing two different kinds of effort. I never argued that many women don't put a lot of effort into their appearance. My point is that a significant amount of that effort is optional, while the social effort men are expected to put in often isn't if they want any dating success at all. The fact that I personally prefer women who groom themselves doesn't change that. Plenty of women wear little to no makeup, don't spend thousands on beauty products, and still date, have relationsh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 07:57 PM
5	If you don’t go to clubs/bars you can’t say you want to get women/being introverted is a choice That still doesn't address my point. I never said women don't put effort into their appearance. My point was that for many women, a lot of that effort is optional, while for men the effort I'm talking about often isn't if they want any success at all. A woman can skip makeup, spend less on beauty, or put in minimal effort and still have dating opportunities, especially if she's around her own looks level. She may get fewer options then without, but she'll usually still have options. For many men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 07:49 PM
2	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. Being the breadwinner isn't really that special to the men who are actually on her looks level, especially if they already have successful careers of their own, which are likely the kinds of men she'd be interested in anyway. Sitcoms also exaggerate the husband's flaws for comedy, so Doug being an airhead isn't something I'd take as a realistic representation of what he brings to the relationship. Outside of the exaggerated writing, he's funny, charismatic, socially confident, and a hard worker …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 07:42 PM
6	There’s nothing wrong with living for love. Yeah, it really shouldn't be looked at as a bad thing, especially given the sex drive men generally have. It makes perfect sense that finding a romantic partner would become one of the biggest motivations in a man's life. That's been a major driving force throughout human history, so acting like it's somehow shallow or unhealthy by default doesn't make much sense. I also think people are much more accepting when someone's life revolves around a career, money, or status than when it revolves arou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 07:21 PM
5	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. That comparison usually leaves out a lot of context. When sitcoms pair an average-looking man with a very attractive woman, the man is almost always written as extremely charismatic, funny, socially confident, or financially stable. He's rarely just an average guy with nothing else going for him. The woman also often isn't portrayed as a perfect catch outside of her looks. A good number of these shows give her traits like being controlling, impulsive, quick-tempered, or generally difficult to ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 07:13 PM
1	Women did not develop compassion/empathy for men in general because it serves no evolutionary purpose I think there's some truth to what you're saying, although I'd be careful not to overstate it. Men have historically taken on the role of protecting and providing, and many societies developed expectations that men should sacrifice themselves for women and children. That's difficult to square with the idea that men were simply viewed as privileged oppressors with no corresponding obligations. I also think this helps explain why many people instinctively care more when women are harmed than when …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 07:00 PM
7	If you don’t go to clubs/bars you can’t say you want to get women/being introverted is a choice That works for some men, but it isn't much of a choice for others. Not everyone enjoys bars or clubs, and for many men, especially introverts, those environments are naturally much harder to succeed in. Simply saying, "Go to the club," doesn't suddenly remove those disadvantages. You also say it's the easiest way, but that's different from saying it's easy. Plenty of men force themselves into those environments because they feel they have to, not because they enjoy them. For many, it's one of th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 06:52 PM
1	If you're a regular, average guy, you don't need to relate on dating apps I agree to an extent, but I still think awareness helps more than you're giving it credit for. Plenty of people know these apps are designed to be addictive and either avoid them altogether or put limits on how they use them because of that knowledge. I also think there's a difference between someone who gets trapped without realizing what's happening and someone who knowingly chooses to keep engaging despite understanding the risks. Addiction can absolutely override rational thinking for some p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 06:42 PM
2	Life as a woman in west is so much easier I don't think I've been the unreasonable one here. I've repeatedly acknowledged that women face real problems. My argument has never been that women have easy, problem-free lives. It's that, on balance, women generally have it easier today than men in several important areas. Those are two different claims. You also keep responding by listing women's hardships, but that doesn't actually address my argument. Simply showing that women have difficulties doesn't prove those difficulties outweigh the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 06:19 PM
1	Women did not develop compassion/empathy for men in general because it serves no evolutionary purpose I think there's some truth to what you're saying, although I'd be careful not to overstate it. Men have historically taken on the role of protecting and providing, and many societies developed expectations that men should sacrifice themselves for women and children. That's difficult to square with the idea that men were simply viewed as privileged oppressors with no corresponding obligations. I also think this helps explain why many people instinctively care more when women are harmed than when …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 04:29 AM
6	Women are not more emotionally intelligent, Men just complain less Yeah, I think that idea gets passed down because men are generally expected to keep their feelings to themselves far more than women are. From a young age, a lot of men are taught to deal with problems quietly, not complain, and just move on. Showing too much emotion or bringing up every little frustration is often looked down on, so many men learn that it's easier to let things slide than to start an argument. That can create a very misleading dynamic in relationships. If one person voices near…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 03:37 AM
9	"Game" is overrated. Well game is supposed to be a boost, not the end-all be-all that overcomes every disadvantage. Attraction still has to exist to some degree before game can really do its job. That's why you don't usually see low-status or unattractive men consistently pulling women who are way out of their league just because they know the right things to say. At the same time, game absolutely matters because plenty of men ruin opportunities they otherwise would've had through awkwardness, poor social skills, or…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 03:23 AM
–	Sex is not a thing, like gold or land or peanuts. There is none if it didn’t address the overall point. Then you just said it for the hell of it. You shouldn't be asking, "Who am I?" since you are the one who decided to respond to me. If anything, I should be the one questioning who the hell this is addressing what I said with no point, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 02:43 AM
–	Sex is not a thing, like gold or land or peanuts. I just said yeah you could but it is pointless doing so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 02:40 AM
5	Life as a woman in west is so much easier "Of course, member of TRP think differently. I have found one thing to be true though, there are a lot of belittling of women comments on this sub and very few reasonable men.'' You seem to be judging the entire movement by the worst comments you come across. Every large group has unreasonable people. That doesn't mean their core arguments are automatically wrong. ''What? I am not treated the same way famous and rich men are. Few women are. Really.'' I don't agree with that comparison either, bu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 02:37 AM
–	Sex is not a thing, like gold or land or peanuts. I don't think that really addresses my overall point. You're focusing on one sentence instead of the main argument. My broader point was that people using economic language to describe dating generally aren't arguing that sex should literally be redistributed. They're using market concepts to explain competition, preferences, and incentives. Pointing out that a handful of people have proposed redistributing sex doesn't really challenge that broader argument it just shows there are exceptions. If…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 02:24 AM
5	If you're a regular, average guy, you don't need to relate on dating apps Yeah, I understand that for sure. The thing is, by now it should be pretty well known that these apps can be a bad option because of how they're designed. There have been plenty of studies, discussions, and firsthand experiences from all kinds of places, including Reddit, pointing out how addictive and gamified they can become. So while I agree that some people will get pulled in despite their intentions, most people should at least know what they're signing up for. That awareness alone will pro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/26 05:39 PM
5	if given two options, 99.9% of women would choose the shy guy over a serial killer Well, sometimes even normal women will if he has qualities they find attractive. That's part of what people are pointing out. Attraction doesn't automatically disappear because a man turns out to be abusive, a criminal, or otherwise a bad person. There are definitely cases where women knew about major red flags beforehand and still chose to pursue or stay with those men. I also think society tends to respond differently depending on who's being judged. Outside of red pill circles, women often re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/26 05:18 PM
3	Women dislike weak and shy guys more than violent misogynists and I'll die on that hill I'm certain that wasn't said at all. Even still what I said was accurate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/26 05:00 PM
4	Life as a woman in west is so much easier I think you're doing exactly what I mentioned earlier. You're taking the worst people who identify with the red pill and treating them as if they represent the entire movement. The reason so many men found the red pill compelling wasn't because it taught them to hate women. It was because it explained experiences mainstream advice failed to explain. Men were repeatedly told that being nice, respectful, and themselves was enough, only to find out that attraction was far more complicated than that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/26 04:58 PM
7	how interest are you about what men like? I'd say not nearly to the same extent. Men spend a lot of time trying to understand what women want because they usually have to. If they don't, their dating success often suffers. Women generally don't face that same pressure because they don't usually have to be the ones creating opportunities. That's why you see so many men discussing female preferences, attraction, and behavior, while you don't see nearly as many women analyzing men the same way. There's simply less incentive to. I also don'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/26 05:02 AM
5	How common is it for women to have higher sex drives than men? I'd say it's probably more of a coincidence than evidence that the average woman has a higher sex drive than the average man. There are definitely women with very high sex drives, so it's not surprising that some relationships end up with the woman wanting sex more often. Of course if its a women who is already a mans girlfriend that can changes things. Since not only attraction but being in a relationship can make a big difference. A woman who's highly attracted to her partner may want sex far …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/26 04:33 AM
12	Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value men Yeah, some men will do that, but overall women still have it easier. Even women who aren't beautiful generally have an easier time than most men when it comes to getting attention, dates, and relationships. Of course the more attractive a woman is, the easier she'll have it that should be common sense. There will always be men who think badly of less attractive women or treat them poorly. Hell, some men will even do that to attractive women they view a certain way. So the comparison shouldn't be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/26 04:13 AM
4	Sex is not a thing, like gold or land or peanuts. I don't think that really addresses my point. Whether women mature faster or whether some men are immature doesn't change the legal and financial risks men face in marriage. A man can be completely mature and still lose a significant amount in a divorce if he isn't careful. You're also making a lot of absolute claims like "women know who they are by 20" and "men are either there or they're not." Reality is far more mixed than that. Plenty of women continue to change throughout their 20s and 30s …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/26 03:55 AM
4	People aren’t afraid of commitment in 2026, they’re afraid of bad commitment I don't think that really addresses my point. Whether women mature faster or whether some men are immature doesn't change the legal and financial risks men face in marriage. A man can be completely mature and still lose a significant amount in a divorce if he isn't careful. You're also making a lot of absolute claims like "women know who they are by 20" and "men are either there or they're not." Reality is far more mixed than that. Plenty of women continue to change throughout their 20s and 30s …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/26 03:27 AM
7	Life as a woman in west is so much easier I think you're attributing positions to the red pill that aren't necessary for its core arguments. The red pill doesn't require believing every woman is hypergamous in the exact same way or that women never marry down. It argues that, on average, women tend to place more importance on traits like status, ambition, competence, confidence, and financial stability than men do. Individual exceptions don't invalidate a general pattern. I also don't think anyone disputes that women want a man who trea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/26 03:18 AM
16	Sex is not a thing, like gold or land or peanuts. I think the analogy falls apart because people aren't applying economics to sex itself they're applying it to the dating market. No one is claiming sex is literally a commodity like gold. The point is that dating involves supply, demand, competition, preferences, incentives, and bargaining, which are all concepts that exist whether the end result is an activity or a physical good. Your ping-pong example also leaves out that access to partners is limited. If one small group of people receives a d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 04:09 PM
5	Going Out Alone as a Guy in a New City Is Brutal I mean, if a man is a loner and can already get a decent selection of women online, there isn't much reason to force himself into the city where dating is going to be a lot harder. At least not nowadays especially, even if it is more fun in person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 03:59 PM
5	Life as a woman in west is so much easier I disagree. One of the biggest reasons the red pill took off was because it explained patterns a lot of men experienced that mainstream advice either ignored or denied. Before it became popular, men were constantly told that being nice, respectful, and themselves was enough to succeed with women. When those men kept failing despite following that advice, they looked elsewhere for explanations. Now a lot of those same ideas get treated like they were obvious all along. People will say, "Of course…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 03:33 PM
6	Women dislike weak and shy guys more than violent misogynists and I'll die on that hill I think the point about women in positions of power is more significant than people give it credit for. These are women who generally have financial independence, social status, and the ability to leave if they want. They're not staying because they're trapped economically in the way people often assume. Yet some still defend abusive men, advocate for their rehabilitation, or give them additional chances. That suggests the issue is more complicated than simply saying abusive men are "weak" or un…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 03:21 PM
–	Life as a woman in west is so much easier That isn't true. Men not going to the doctor enough is a real issue, but reducing men's health problems to "purely their own doing" is way too simplistic. Social expectations, stigma around weakness, work pressure, lack of support, and the way men are raised to push through problems all play a role. If those same kinds of pressures affected women, people wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them as personal failure. Men also do face serious risks. They have shorter life expectancy, higher suicide rat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 03:16 PM
–	Life as a woman in west is so much easier Sure, there are things men don't fully understand about women's experiences, just like there are things women don't fully understand about men's. Medical issues specific to women and menstruation are real, but that doesn't mean men don't face major health disadvantages of their own. Men have shorter life expectancy on average and die by suicide at much higher rates, so it's not accurate to frame health-related hardship as something that primarily affects women. The same applies to dating. Women …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 09:06 AM
4	Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours) Anyway, we can end it here, but I don't think that's true either. Men having a higher sex drive is only part of the reason. Women also benefit from being the more selective sex, so there's little incentive to give up a role where they're generally pursued instead of having to pursue. I also don't think your options analogy works. Whether someone wants casual relationships isn't the point. The point is that women generally have more opportunities available if they choose to pursue them. An option…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 08:59 AM
1	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. Yeah, I thought it should, but both can be shallow for sure, especially if the woman only cares about his looks and would leave him all the same if he lost them. Even still, it’s much nicer knowing she’s into you rather than something else you have, even if it is for shallow reasons, which I’m certain is the case in a good number of situations.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 07:14 AM
1	Men shouldn’t have to be hypermasculine providers in order to get into relationships. Yeah, they shouldn't, but society still tends to expect men to embody a version of traditional masculinity. Women may reject the idea of rigid gender roles in theory, yet many still prefer men who are confident, financially stable, ambitious, willing to lead, and able to provide. At the same time, they're expected to express emotion but only within a socially acceptable range. Too little emotion and they're called cold or emotionally unavailable. Too much and they're labeled insecure, weak, or e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 06:57 AM
4	Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours) I wasn't saying that's what you literally wrote. My point was that the qualities you listed are the qualities you're saying men need in order to do well with women, which is why I summarized it that way. I also don't think this is just about the male sex drive. That's part of it, but it's also one of the few traditional gender roles that still greatly benefits women, so there isn't much incentive to let it go. Women generally don't have to become social, ambitious, and confident just to create d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 06:44 AM
11	Going Out Alone as a Guy in a New City Is Brutal I think part of the answer is that the dating market has become much more competitive for men. When women have easier access to attention through dating apps and social media, men end up competing harder for a relatively smaller pool of opportunities. That naturally makes other men more guarded because every new guy can be seen as another competitor rather than a potential friend. The same applies to social circles. Established groups have already built trust and social dynamics over years, so t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 06:05 AM
3	Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours) Nah, that isn't really true either. Plenty of women who are nowhere near fine still have good to great dating lives, especially casual ones. That doesn't mean being unattractive never makes things harder, but it clearly isn't some impossible barrier for women the way people try to frame it. If women had to be highly attractive or put in massive effort just to get dating opportunities, dating wouldn't look the way it does. I see everyday how untrue that is. Average and even below-average women st…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 05:56 AM
1	Older men don't understand how undesirable they are to younger women I mean, what is that supposed to mean exactly? You act like that can't be possible, lol. Women used language like that all the time at school alone about boys or men they didn't find attractive, whether it was "strange," "bizarre," "weird," or whatever. That isn't some new thing at all. Women can absolutely feel that way about men they don't find attractive, especially if the guy is much older and unattractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 05:49 AM
3	Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours) Nah, even when a woman has a normal income, a lot of couples still fall into a dynamic where the man's money is expected to cover the household, dates, lifestyle, emergencies, and long-term stability, while her income is more likely to be treated as extra, personal spending, savings, or "her" money. That doesn't mean every woman does this, but it does show the mindset isn't limited to cases where she barely earns anything. Yeah, it may not help those men much, but it might be the only realistic …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 05:39 AM
1	Older men don't understand how undesirable they are to younger women Ok good we have a understanding.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 05:30 AM
4	Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours) I think that’s a much healthier way to handle it, honestly. Couples with similar incomes and shared financial expectations probably avoid a lot of conflict. My point was never that every woman thinks, "His money is our money, and my money is my money." It’s that the mindset exists on a pretty wide scale, and a surprising number of people treat it as normal or at least don’t push back against it. Especially since a lot of men are struggling in dating right now, some end up having to use their abi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 05:12 AM
1	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. Yeah, but it’s still them, though. It’s not something completely outside of them, even if it isn’t what’s on the inside.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 04:30 AM
2	Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours) I’m sure I’ve heard plenty of women say, “His money is our money, and my money is my money.” That’s often treated as a perfectly normal way of doing things. It’s crazy to me, even if it isn’t always said outright like that. To me, it sounds ridiculous, but some people will just let things play out that way anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 04:26 AM
1	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. Yeah, money is external, remember. I’m still wondering how you think it can be nearly the same when one is the person and the other is a resource.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 04:08 AM
3	Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours) Yeah, it can still be a big L for men in most cases since men generally spend thousands more than women do in relationships. So even the items he’s told to split are often things he largely paid for in the first place. That’s why, even if alimony isn’t a factor, divorce can still be a major financial loss for many men. https://www.facebook.com/SushantArmy/posts/research-suggests-men-typically-spend-far-more-in-relationships-than-women-influ/1320999872997514/	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 04:06 AM
4	Life as a woman in west is so much easier Yeah, but men can decide whether they like being men or not, especially if they’ve enjoyed being men all these years. There’s nothing wrong with still pointing out how easy women have it, especially since some like to pretend it’s not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 03:53 AM
1	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. Yeah being easier on the eyes especially pleasurable can definitely make a difference in how some feel about you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 03:51 AM
–	Life as a woman in west is so much easier Yeah, it is, no doubt about it. Some women just won’t understand how much harder it is for men, especially when it comes to dating. It’s not even close.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 03:48 AM
3	Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours) Yes and this reinforces why financial success is valued so much in men. If a financially successful man benefits the relationship while it's intact and can also provide more security afterward, then it's understandable why many women place significant importance on that trait. That doesn't really contradict the point it supports it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 03:46 AM
4	Life as a woman in west is so much easier Being attractive especially as a woman gives a person more opportunities, not fewer. Having more options can make choosing the right partner more difficult, but that's a very different problem from struggling just to get dates or interest in the first place. Most people would much rather have the problem of filtering through too many options than wondering whether they'll have any options at all. Those aren't comparable positions. Every dating situation has tradeoffs, but having an abundance of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 03:44 AM
–	Life as a woman in west is so much easier That doesnt happen nearly as often for men. What I said happens for women is in general.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 03:39 AM
0	Life as a woman in west is so much easier Nah, it’s true in general nowadays. Those days you’re speaking of were in the past, for sure. I’d agree with that. Of course, it isn’t perfect, but society definitely praises women plenty even without accomplishing things, so this definitely exists. Of course, not everyone will be part of that praise, which should be understandable. BTW, plenty of men are not only ignored by women but also talked over and disrespected. Men just aren’t really allowed to complain about it and have it be taken seri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 07:24 PM
1	Men should be glad that they’re less desirable than women. Some of y’all love coming with these worn-out clichés on this comment for some reason, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 07:21 PM
3	Honestly, to what degree do you want double standards? I think a lot of women genuinely want equal respect and equal opportunities, but not necessarily identical treatment in every context. In dating especially, many still prefer traditional expectations when those expectations benefit them. They want a man who leads, protects, provides, stays emotionally steady, and gives them grace for certain behaviors, while also expecting to be treated as an equal in areas where traditional roles don't benefit them. That's why this feels contradictory to many m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 07:14 PM
0	Life as a woman in west is so much easier Nah, they’re just choosing the wrong type of men to date, is all. That can always happen, but at least they aren’t having to put in a lot of work just to make something happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 06:40 PM
6	Women dislike weak and shy guys more than violent misogynists and I'll die on that hill Well, like the post said, they aren’t weak enough to not be desirable to women, as women still gravitate toward those types, and some will stay with them even after they become abusive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 06:01 PM
7	Debate: women are allowed to distrust men, men are not allowed to distrust women (repost as I dodn't partipate within three hours) I think your broader point is that people often assume the worst motives from men while giving women the benefit of the doubt, and I think there's truth to that. If a man says he values a 50/50 custody state, people immediately jump to, "So you're planning to divorce and take the kids." Yet if a woman says she prefers to marry a financially successful man, most people don't immediately accuse her of planning to divorce for alimony or child support. In both cases, someone is expressing a preferen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 05:49 PM
4	Life as a woman in west is so much easier I think another thing people overlook is that the benefits of success are different for men and women today. A successful man is generally expected to have earned everything himself, and once he reaches the top, people often look for reasons to cut him down. A successful woman, on the other hand, is frequently celebrated simply for reaching that position. Companies openly talk about wanting more women in leadership, media highlights successful women as role models, and society is generally much …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 05:47 PM
1	Life as a woman in west is so much easier That isn't really my point. My point is that women don't have to climb to the very top before society starts giving them praise and support. Women are often encouraged, celebrated, and given the benefit of the doubt simply for succeeding at levels that wouldn't draw much attention if a man did the same thing. If they do climb to the top, that recognition usually increases even more. Using Angelina Jolie doesn't really address that. A successful woman can still be the victim of domestic violence,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 05:41 PM
5	Life as a woman in west is so much easier I don't believe that's true today. A woman who becomes successful is generally celebrated for it, even if she isn't in a traditionally powerful position. Society is often eager to praise women for breaking barriers, succeeding in male-dominated fields, or reaching high-status positions. Of course there will always be people who resent successful women, but that happens to successful men too. I think one difference is that successful women today often receive recognition and encouragement on top …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 05:30 PM
12	Life as a woman in west is so much easier Yeah, but most won’t be, so on average, out of the two, living as a woman is generally a much easier life, at least currently. Not so much years ago, but it’s definitely the case now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 05:26 PM
–	Men should be glad that they’re less desirable than women. That doesn't change my point it reinforces it. If men have historically been expected to pursue while women have generally been in the position to choose, then it's strange to act like those roles are equal or that men are somehow the ones with the preferable position in dating. The fact that they've existed for so long doesn't make them irrelevant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 05:22 PM
3	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. Not automatically, but if someone is with you primarily because they find you physically attractive, there's a stronger chance their attraction is genuine than if they're with you primarily because of your money. Physical attraction is directed at you as a person, whereas money is an external resource that can benefit whoever has access to it. Neither looks nor money guarantees someone will care about you. Attractive people can still be used, and wealthy people can still be genuinely loved. The …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 06:05 AM
–	Panama criminalizing paternity fraud is a model for every country to follow Well yeah, but most people don't want to practice abstinence forever. We'd rather have protections against being scammed or wronged, just like women expect protections against risks they face in dating and relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 06:00 AM
1	Older men don't understand how undesirable they are to younger women Yeah, certain men disgust them, and it's referred to as all types of things. "Bizarre" is definitely one of the many words they’ll use to describe it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 05:52 AM
6	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. Yeah, I’d assume being physically attractive is always better for both sides. Of course, money is great, but it always leaves you wondering if he cares about you at all, and if she would want to be anywhere near you if you didn’t have it. What is your take on that? Do you believe looks are better both ways?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 11:14 PM
7	Many young men are viewed as blobs Yeah, guys who already have game, a lot of confidence, and likely the looks will have it easier while they're younger, which is what women generally put all their focus on. Either that or athletes. Other than that, it will be quite hard for sure, potential or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 10:59 PM
–	Women dislike weak and shy guys more than violent misogynists and I'll die on that hill Women can easily get either, especially if they date their looks match. Also, it’s not being used for two people to have consensual sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 10:40 PM
–	Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative. You're still blurring the line between explaining patterns and wanting to control outcomes. A worldview is not automatically wrong just because it includes beliefs about men, women, attraction, and relationships. Everyone has a worldview about dating. Feminism has one too. Blue pill advice has one too. The question is whether the claims are accurate, not whether they exist inside a worldview. You also keep treating male standards as uniquely suspicious. If women judge men by height, income, ambi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 10:26 PM
3	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. Doesn’t need to be looked at that way just because they can’t have it as easy as women. They’re doing what they can to succeed, so that’s not a bad thing if they actually had to put in the work to achieve it, like most men do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 09:32 PM
–	Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative. You're treating the red pill as if it's one rigid ideology with a single political destination, when in reality it's a collection of ideas about dating that people interpret differently. There are conservatives who agree with parts of it, libertarians who agree with parts of it, politically disengaged men who agree with parts of it, and even liberals who agree with parts of it. Finding overlap with conservatism doesn't make the two synonymous. You're also conflating descriptive claims with presc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 09:20 PM
7	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. Yeah, both can be, but it would feel much better being desired for your physical looks over your resources, especially if the man actually has to spend those resources on the woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 09:07 PM
10	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. Yeah, it sucks, but men have to deal with that even in their home country if they aren’t desirable enough looks-wise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 08:58 PM
1	The Red Pill's greatest appeal is that it offers immediate individual agency rather than long-term societal change I think that's a big part of why the red pill resonates with so many men. Whether someone agrees with every conclusion or not, it gives men something they can actually act on today instead of telling them to wait for society to change. If a man is struggling, the red pill generally tells him to improve the things he can control—his fitness, confidence, social skills, appearance, finances, and ability to create opportunities. Even if those improvements don't guarantee dating success, they're stil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 08:51 PM
3	Older men don't understand how undesirable they are to younger women Some women believe older men, especially unattractive ones, even talking to them to begin with is bizarre.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 08:44 PM
3	Men aren't lonely and single because they're toxic, violent and sexist; they're lonely and single because they're unattractive, broke and awkward Yeah, you have to learn to read what is actually said instead of inferring things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 08:41 PM
3	Men aren't lonely and single because they're toxic, violent and sexist; they're lonely and single because they're unattractive, broke and awkward No I wasnt it directly addressed what you said and then you tried to debate me about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 08:39 PM
3	Men aren't lonely and single because they're toxic, violent and sexist; they're lonely and single because they're unattractive, broke and awkward Yeah, sure. Anyway, I know that, but I was saying that to go against your original point. So yeah, of course settling is an option, just like being alone is one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 08:36 PM
6	I feel like many women complain about not being able to find a “good guy” or steady man but are having sex way too early on. I think it's less about making him "fall harder" by delaying sex and more about filtering for intent. A man who's only interested in something casual is much less likely to stick around if he has to invest time, effort, and consistency before sex. A man genuinely looking for a relationship is generally more willing to make that investment. Your friend's standards also play a role. If she's consistently chasing men who have a lot of options, she shouldn't be surprised if many of them are less int…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 08:25 PM
3	If you're a regular, average guy, you don't need to relate on dating apps I actually agree that's the biggest downside. The probability isn't really the issue it's the psychological toll if someone starts tying their self-worth to the results. That's why I think they work best as a background option rather than something you check constantly or depend on. If they're just another avenue while you're living your life, improving yourself, and meeting people elsewhere, they have potential upside without carrying nearly as much emotional weight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 08:16 PM
11	Men aren't lonely and single because they're toxic, violent and sexist; they're lonely and single because they're unattractive, broke and awkward No, the ugly, antisocial women will have to breed with ugly men as well, regardless of them having a job, since that isn’t going to matter to the more attractive men anyway. So no, they can’t breed ugly men out since ugly women will be having kids as well, and part of that unattractiveness also comes from the mother, so don’t forget that. Anyway, like you said earlier, everyone gets with their looks match. Also I guess you accidentally chose RP because your takes are definitely very blue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 08:12 PM
7	Men aren't lonely and single because they're toxic, violent and sexist; they're lonely and single because they're unattractive, broke and awkward Yeah, they don’t, but I’m not speaking about that part. I’m talking about the ugly, antisocial ones, who will likely have to settle just like their grandmothers did. That was my point. Either that, or cats will be on their horizon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 08:05 PM
3	Men aren't lonely and single because they're toxic, violent and sexist; they're lonely and single because they're unattractive, broke and awkward Well, you did say women didn’t have to, when plenty exist who would if they want someone for something serious and have to deal with the issues you named.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 08:00 PM
10	Men aren't lonely and single because they're toxic, violent and sexist; they're lonely and single because they're unattractive, broke and awkward Yeah, some women are, but there are still plenty of ugly and antisocial women who can’t get those types of men for anything serious, so it would make sense for at least them to date within their league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 07:54 PM
3	Men aren't lonely and single because they're toxic, violent and sexist; they're lonely and single because they're unattractive, broke and awkward Yeah, some defintely frame it that way, especially now that "misogynist" has become one of the most common labels used against men. It's often treated as the default explanation for why a man struggles with dating, even though that doesn't really explain what we see in practice. There have always been men with toxic, selfish, or misogynistic attitudes who still found relationships because they possessed traits many women found attractive. Being a bad person has never automatically meant a man wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 07:46 PM
1	CMV: Many men are genuinely intimidated by successful women because it disrupts traditional relationship dynamics. Yeah, men will tolerate it for sure, especially desperate ones, but it’s not typically our preference. Which shouldn’t be seen as a problem, especially since men generally don’t have nearly the number of preferences that women have, many of which are much harder or even impossible to meet. Not being masculine is not much to ask for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 07:35 PM
–	Women dislike weak and shy guys more than violent misogynists and I'll die on that hill Yeah, the uncomfortable point is that being dangerous or morally bad does not automatically make a man unattractive. Plenty of awful men still have girlfriends, wives, and women defending them because attraction is not the same thing as moral judgment. A lot of women are far more turned off by weakness, passivity, insecurity, and shyness than they are by aggression or dominance, even when that aggression comes with obvious red flags. That does not mean women consciously want bad men. It means as…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 07:30 PM
2	The superpower most men would choose—after eternal youth and unlimited wealth—is the ability to sleep with any woman they’re attracted to just by snapping their fingers. Yeah, as long as it’s just one ability, then that’s fair. Whether it’s telekinesis, time travel, or any other single ability, there’s nothing wrong with choosing that. Once you start making it where you’re basically Superman, or anywhere close to his power level, then yeah, of course it’s more understandable why someone would choose that instead.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 07:22 PM
–	Women dislike weak and shy guys more than violent misogynists and I'll die on that hill Even still it’s worse for women to do this since they typically have much easier access to normal men, while guys might just be desperate for anything. So, of course, it’s horrible either way, but it’s way more understandable from men’s position.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 07:14 PM
2	The superpower most men would choose—after eternal youth and unlimited wealth—is the ability to sleep with any woman they’re attracted to just by snapping their fingers. I mean, yours are technically one power, but they come with several great abilities, which is still cheating in a way, lol. One great ability is supposed to be what’s being compared, so only one should be chosen, even if that power grants more with it. If mine granted more, it would be way better as well, like being able to snap my fingers and have billions more in my pocket, or snap them and become the smartest person to ever live, which would go right along with snapping my fingers and getting…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 07:11 PM
2	The superpower most men would choose—after eternal youth and unlimited wealth—is the ability to sleep with any woman they’re attracted to just by snapping their fingers. Oh, okay. I suppose that one is, but you would still end up being a major target, so it would have to be kept hidden for sure. Remember, a person with that power is still killable. Anyway, I suppose it could be pretty good for super easy traveling, at least in my case. The other crazy things you could do with it, I’d never do anyway. So the other benefits are okay, but they’re not important enough for me. So I’d still take the women one since sex is much better, in my opinion. Having super easy …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 06:59 PM
2	The superpower most men would choose—after eternal youth and unlimited wealth—is the ability to sleep with any woman they’re attracted to just by snapping their fingers. Oh, you’re talking about becoming Superman or Homelander, lol. Anyway, I thought it was about having one power since we were comparing it to just having the snap-your-fingers-and-get-a-girl power. Of course, if you have a combination of different powers, then it’s a completely different ball game.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 06:48 PM
5	Older men don't understand how undesirable they are to younger women Well, you didn’t put that in there. You basically explained how you were creeped out by older men pursuing you, which can be annoying for some women. Most men, though, have to take their shot, which some women have a hard time understanding.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 06:43 PM
2	The red pill philosophy loses to a vibrator because a vibrator wont try to take your rights away. This puts far too much weight on politics and not enough on the broader dating market. Women across the political spectrum are becoming more selective, including many who don't share these views at all. That suggests something bigger than conservative politics is going on. It also doesn't really address the red pill. The red pill doesn't claim women ignore safety. It argues that attraction is influenced by multiple factors, and safety is just one of them. Reducing modern dating trends to "women …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 06:40 AM
1	The superpower most men would choose—after eternal youth and unlimited wealth—is the ability to sleep with any woman they’re attracted to just by snapping their fingers. At least with the woman-related power you can live a relatively normal life. You can move around without drawing attention because nobody knows you're using a superpower. You could simply snap your fingers and attract the women you want without anyone realizing what happened. The other powers are completely different. Flying, teleporting, or using telekinesis can't realistically stay hidden forever. Once people know they exist, your entire life changes. Unlimited wealth and powerful connections …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 06:31 AM
1	The superpower most men would choose—after eternal youth and unlimited wealth—is the ability to sleep with any woman they’re attracted to just by snapping their fingers. Nah, powers like flying, teleportation, time travel, telekinesis, or immortality sound good on paper, but they'd probably just make you a target. In the real world, someone with abilities like that wouldn't get to peacefully enjoy them. Governments, militaries, corporations, and random opportunists would all want access to that power. So unless the power comes with a way to stay hidden or defend yourself from the entire world, the downside is massive. You'd constantly be watched, hunted, detaine…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 05:15 AM
13	CMV: Many men are genuinely intimidated by successful women because it disrupts traditional relationship dynamics. I don't think insecurity is the only or even the main explanation. Some men simply aren't attracted to certain personality traits that can come with highly competitive or career-driven lifestyles. As women become more successful, some also become more dominant, assertive, or masculine in their behavior. So it's also not that unreasonable for some men to find those traits less attractive. People act as if men's preferences are automatically insecurity while women's preferences are just preference…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 05:05 AM
5	Older men don't understand how undesirable they are to younger women Maybe not, but men have to worry about that regardless of age, so they might as well go for what they like most if possible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 04:58 AM
10	Older men don't understand how undesirable they are to younger women Well, that’s how dating works. Men have to pursue in order to have options. Some men get lucky doing that, especially if they play the numbers, so this isn’t all that crazy, especially since men are expected to initiate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 04:54 AM
3	Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦‍♂️ That assumes men only bring it up because they think women owe them sex, when for many men it's actually about rejection, loneliness, feeling unwanted, and struggling to build relationships. Reducing all of that to "crying because you don't have access to sex" ignores why the issue matters to them in the first place. For many men, this isn't just one problem among dozens. It's one of the biggest areas of their lives because men generally have a much stronger sex drive and place a high value on r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 04:47 AM
3	Men should be glad that they’re less desirable than women. No one has to literally tell men to beg. The saying was your analogy, not mine. My point was that if men are generally expected to pursue while women are generally in the position to choose, then it reinforces exactly what I was saying about the different dating roles.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 04:17 AM
1	Men should be glad that they’re less desirable than women. This is exactly what I mean. You keep circling this argument around just dating, but you don't expand it beyond that. Because dating is the role I was talking about. If the claim is that women think men's overall position is better, then looking at one of the biggest areas where men and women have different roles is directly relevant. You can't dismiss that difference just because there are other areas to discuss. It does when men, as a collective, rarely ever get sexually harassed and heckled o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 04:14 AM
–	how do redpillers explain what you see outside in the dating world vs. what they say ? That's a pretty silly rewrite of what a lot of men were actually told growing up. "Be yourself," "just be nice," "just be confident," "the right woman will come along," and "women care more about personality than looks" have been mainstream dating advice for years. Pretending nobody ever presented that as practical dating advice just makes it sound like you're rewriting history because it's inconvenient. The whole reason the red pill resonated with so many men is because that advice consistently…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 04:11 AM
–	how do redpillers explain what you see outside in the dating world vs. what they say ? I mean, that’s part of why, but it definitely sucks because even regular women on their level or lower can be harder to get.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 04:09 AM
–	how do redpillers explain what you see outside in the dating world vs. what they say ? You completely missed what was said,lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 04:05 AM
5	Older men don't understand how undesirable they are to younger women Yeah, that can absolutely happen, but I don't think it's something unique to age-gap relationships. A man can date a woman his own age and still end up with someone who isn't genuinely attracted to him, is mainly there for stability, or is simply settling because she couldn't get the man she ideally wanted. The risk of being used or ending up in a one-sided relationship doesn't suddenly disappear just because the couple is the same age. That's why I don't think age is the deciding factor here. T…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 04:01 AM
–	Men can become angry because they cannot get laid, and that anger can make them less likely to get laid. Yeah, it's a bad situation that overwhelmingly falls on men because they're the ones far more likely to experience repeated romantic rejection. Most women never have to worry about years of little to no interest from the opposite sex, so they're much less likely to end up in that downward spiral. That's one reason it's easier to dismiss than to understand if you've never been in that position yourself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/26 06:44 PM
1	Men and women fail to take accountability fairly equally You can disagree all you want, but just calling it engagement bait, grifting, or obsession doesn't make those expectations disappear. That doesn't really address the point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/26 06:40 PM
5	Men should be glad that they’re less desirable than women. Exactly. That reinforces my point. Most women still prefer being the choosers rather than the ones who have to do the begging.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/26 06:38 PM
3	Men should be glad that they’re less desirable than women. You're the one changing the subject. The discussion was about whether women are secretly jealous of men's position. My point was that if they truly thought men's overall position was better, you'd expect far more women to voluntarily take on the dating role men have. That's directly relevant because dating is one of the biggest areas where the sexes occupy different roles. Bringing up harassment doesn't make that point disappear. Men and women each have advantages and disadvantages. Acknowledgin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/26 06:31 PM
5	how do redpillers explain what you see outside in the dating world vs. what they say ? Yeah, I know it can suck for most men because, unlike high-level men who mess with women that aren’t supermodels, most women like that aren’t dipping down for anything, whether long-term or short-term, with just regular dudes. So those experiences likely don’t happen very much at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/26 03:01 AM
1	Men and women fail to take accountability fairly equally People are free to behave however they want. That doesn't mean social expectations stop influencing outcomes. A man can ignore expectations around initiating, confidence, emotional expression, or providing if he wants. The question is whether doing so changes how he's perceived and the results he gets. Social patterns matter because they create incentives, not because they're laws. If those patterns didn't matter, there wouldn't be recurring discussions about men needing to approach, be confiden…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/26 02:41 AM
6	how do redpillers explain what you see outside in the dating world vs. what they say ? You're assuming that refining a claim is the same thing as backpedaling. It isn't. There's a difference between saying "women generally prefer higher-status men" and saying "every woman only wants a billionaire." One is a tendency, the other is an absolute. Rejecting the absolute doesn't mean the underlying argument disappears. The reason the red pill stands out isn't because every individual observation is revolutionary. It's because it rejects a lot of the mainstream explanations for why men s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/26 02:35 AM
1	If roughly half of Gen Z men have no hope of ever getting married and having children, how can anyone be surprised they're being radicalized? Not at all. I’ve been here almost a year and a half. From the looks of it you started just a few months before I rejoined. I mostly saw that photo some months back, but you’re back on the regular now it seems. Anyway, thanks for the compliment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/26 02:32 AM
34	how do redpillers explain what you see outside in the dating world vs. what they say ? I think the question starts from a misunderstanding of what the red pill is actually claiming. The red pill doesn't claim that women only date 6-foot, wealthy, model-looking men or that every woman ends up with her ideal partner. The claim is that women generally have preferences that lean toward certain traits more than men do, and then reality determines what options are actually available. That's why pointing to average couples doesn't really address the argument. Most people don't end up wit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 07:11 PM
1	Men and women fail to take accountability fairly equally You're using your own experience to dismiss a broader social pattern. The fact that you personally didn't feel much pressure doesn't mean those expectations don't exist or influence other people. My point isn't that every man hears "man up" every day. It's that men and women are often judged differently for the same behaviors. Men are generally expected to be more emotionally stoic, initiate in dating, be providers, and take responsibility for outcomes in ways women often aren't. Those expectati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 07:04 PM
3	If you were born male, do you think you'd be doing better than other men in areas that you criticize men for? Women probably won't. I think a lot of women underestimate how competitive dating is for the average man because they've never had to experience that side of it firsthand. It's much easier to believe you'd do better when you've never had to be the one expected to initiate, face repeated rejection, compete with other men for attention, and prove your value before you're even considered. Simply being aware of those challenges doesn't mean you'd overcome them. If the average woman woke up tomorrow …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 06:57 PM
1	Women will never be stuck alone. The biggest difference is that women usually have a built-in recovery mechanism that men generally don't. Relationships themselves can function as a safety net. A woman can make serious mistakes, have financial problems, become a single mother, or struggle to get her life together, and there will often still be men willing to step in because many men value companionship enough to overlook those issues. Those men may not be ideal, but they exist in large numbers. A man in the same position rarely…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 07:25 AM
1	Dating market is almost completely analagous to the Job market I think this is a pretty accurate analogy, especially when it comes to the red pill. The biggest mistake people make is confusing the skills that help you keep a relationship with the skills that get you one in the first place. Blue pill advice is often the equivalent of telling someone how to be a great employee after they're already hired. Things like being kind, respectful, honest, and a good communicator matter, but they don't necessarily get you through the door. The red pill is focused on …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 06:25 AM
2	Women won't tolerate a male version of AWDTSG Of course they would. A male version of AWDTSG would almost certainly be condemned by many of the same people who defend the current one. That's exactly why people argue there's a double standard. Look at the backlash against websites that indexed adult content, discussions about women's body counts, exposing past sex work, or men publicly rating women based on relationship or sexual experiences. Those were widely condemned because they could damage reputations, invade privacy, and spread false …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 05:57 AM
2	Do you think you have a positiv impact on men here? No, I don't think so. If a man is already on his way to the red pill and comes here, only to be immediately called a failure, sexist, misogynist, woman hater, or mentally ill, you're probably having the opposite effect. Many of those men already believe people won't try to understand where they're coming from, and responses like that only reinforce it. It gets worse when they're automatically treated like lowlifes simply because they struggle with women, or when research they cite is dismissed w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 05:45 AM
–	I don’t want to give him “that satisfaction” is one of the most overlooked power dynamics in dating. Yeah, they generally have the role that makes dating easier, so there's very little incentive to give it up. If you're already in the position where you're more often being approached than doing the approaching, switching roles means voluntarily taking on more rejection, more uncertainty, and more emotional risk than you had before. That's why I think this goes beyond simple shyness. If women genuinely believed the male role in dating was the better position overall, you'd expect many more of th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 01:33 AM
3	Men should be glad that they’re less desirable than women. That narrows OP’s claim too much. OP wasn’t only talking about looks in isolation. The whole post was comparing women’s desirability and attention to men’s ability to move through life unnoticed. If the claim is that women are jealous of men’s overall position, then it’s fair to ask why women don’t generally take on more of men’s dating role when they have the freedom to do so. Women approaching more wouldn’t stop men from being visual, but it would show they actually prefer men’s side of the da…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 12:34 AM
4	Passport broing should unironically be illegal Nothing about this is automatically exploitation. Two adults choosing to date or marry each other is not exploitation just because one of them comes from a richer country. If there is coercion, lying, abuse, or fraud, criticize that. The passport part alone does not prove any of that happened. This also ignores that women abroad have agency. They can prefer foreign men for their own reasons, including stability, lifestyle, personality, marriage goals, or simply not liking the local dating market…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 12:28 AM
4	Men and women fail to take accountability fairly equally You're replacing a broader claim with your own personal experience. One person's life doesn't tell us much about the general expectations society places on men and women. Calling it "regurgitating stereotypes" isn't an argument either. If you think the patterns are wrong, explain why they're inaccurate instead of dismissing them with a label. "Stop giving a fuck about society" also misses the point. The discussion is about how society generally responds to men and women, not whether an individua…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 12:21 AM
–	Having low standards doesn't make you charitable, and it's not correlated with the ability ti love deeply The problem is you're separating standards from reality. Knowing what you want is fine, but if your standards are so high that they leave you with virtually no viable partners, they stop being useful. This matters much more for men than women because men generally have a harder time in the dating market. Most men don't have the luxury of holding out indefinitely for an ideal match. They have to be more realistic about what's actually attainable or they may end up with no relationship at all. Hav…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 05:46 PM
6	Men should be glad that they’re less desirable than women. It is relevant because the OP's entire argument is that women are secretly jealous of men's position. If that were true, you'd expect far more women to voluntarily take on the role that men have in dating. The fact that most still prefer being pursued despite knowing the downsides suggests they don't actually view men's overall position as preferable. The risks you mention don't change that. Men deal with being used as placeholders, rejected, led on, and settled for too. They also carry the expe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 05:32 PM
7	Men and women fail to take accountability fairly equally This is more than just "people don't take accountability." The difference is that men are generally forced to. Society is much quicker to tell men to own their mistakes, improve themselves, and accept the consequences, while women are more often given explanations that soften or shift responsibility. Take your first example. If a man repeatedly picks toxic women, he's usually told he has poor judgment and needs to choose better. If a woman repeatedly picks toxic men, the conversation is much mor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 05:28 PM
1	Manosphere supporting Age Gap relationships to a fault is strange. You're treating age gaps as though they automatically create a unique risk that doesn't exist elsewhere. Manipulation, abuse, and power imbalances can happen in relationships with the same age, a five-year gap, or a twenty-year gap. Age alone doesn't tell you whether someone is controlling or abusive. The reason many people in the manosphere push back is because they see adults as capable of making their own choices. If both people are consenting adults, they don't think it's reasonable to assum…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 05:03 PM
2	Our male ancestors would laugh at the complaints of modern men You're taking a relationship model that depended on a completely different society and assuming it still applies today. It doesn't. Those marriages existed in a world where women had far fewer legal, economic, and social options to leave. Once those constraints disappeared, relationships became voluntary, which means respect alone is no longer enough to sustain them. You're also creating a false choice between love and respect. A healthy modern relationship needs both. Respect without love turns…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 04:53 PM
3	Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist women One good example doesn't really address the broader criticism. Every movement has reasonable people in it. The real question is whether they're representative or influential enough to define the movement. If she has to spend a large part of her time pushing back against other feminists for misandry, debunking anti-male narratives, and defending male victims from people within the movement, that arguably says more about the movement than it does about her. She sounds more like an exception than t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 04:41 PM
2	If you are looking for an obedient wife the red pill probably won’t get you there. I never said I judge individuals solely based on societal trends. My point was that broader patterns help explain why trust has become harder to build, not that they determine whether every individual is trustworthy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 04:35 PM
2	If you are looking for an obedient wife the red pill probably won’t get you there. Your personal relationship doesn't really disprove the point because exceptions don't invalidate general principles. You starting out as a feminist doesn't establish that trust alone creates a relationship where one partner willingly follows the other's leadership. Individual anecdotes can't settle a broader claim about what generally produces that dynamic. I also never said grievance culture was one-sided. I explicitly said men have reasons for their distrust too. My point was that telling men …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 04:24 PM
2	Society is 'equal' everywhere except the expensive, high-risk part where men have to audition That isn't really the same burden. Maintaining your appearance benefits you regardless of whether you approach anyone. Men also work out, groom themselves, buy clothes, and spend money improving their appearance. Looking attractive isn't a responsibility unique to women. The point being made is about who is expected to create dating opportunities. Men are generally expected to make the first move, risk rejection, start the conversation, ask for the date, carry the interaction, and often pay for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 04:19 PM
7	Men should be glad that they’re less desirable than women. Pursuing someone you're attracted to doesn't change the broader point. One person choosing to approach doesn't mean women generally take on men's role in dating. Most dating still revolves around men initiating while women decide who gets access. Approaching someone also doesn't remove unwanted attention or appearance-based scrutiny, but that wasn't the point. The point is that if women were truly jealous of men's overall position, you'd expect far more women to willingly take on the role of pur…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 04:14 PM
5	If you are looking for an obedient wife the red pill probably won’t get you there. Nobody serious is saying a woman should obey a man just because he makes demands. The point is that trust does not appear out of nowhere either. A woman has to already be capable of respecting male leadership before a man’s competence can even matter. If her default reaction to leadership is suspicion, resistance, or “who do you think you are,” then no amount of gradual trust-building is going to create that dynamic. Obedience is not only about trust. It is also about attraction, respect, temper…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 01:58 AM
11	Men should be glad that they’re less desirable than women. Nah, if women were actually jealous of men's position, they'd gladly take on men's role of pursuing instead of still preferring the passive role. It's easy to say you're jealous of the attention-free side of dating while continuing to enjoy the advantages that come with being the one who gets approached rather than the one who has to risk rejection over and over. The argument also treats unwanted attention as though it's the only tradeoff that matters while ignoring the benefits that desirabilit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 01:38 AM
2	If women are the problem, why do you want them to birth and raise more kids? I get that. That's usually the point where I stop arguing about conclusions and start arguing about quotes. I make them point to the exact words they think support their claim and compare them to what was actually said. If they can't do that, the reframe usually falls apart on its own. It forces the discussion back to the text instead of letting it drift into assumptions and accusations.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 01:26 AM
7	No woman who is not already thinking about divorce will actually gonna divorce you for getting a paternity test The whole debate around paternity testing gets treated as if simply wanting certainty is inherently immoral, when it really isn't. A woman has biological certainty that the child is hers from the moment of birth. A man doesn't have that same certainty without modern technology. Wanting to equalize that asymmetry with a DNA test is a rational response to a biological reality, not necessarily an accusation of infidelity. People also tend to treat verification and trust as though they're mutually e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 07:00 PM
9	What everyday disadvantages of feminism do you experience? The problem with this question is it treats feminism like it’s the source of basic rights you listed. In most developed countries those things aren’t “feminism benefits,” they’re just law and modern society. Nobody is seriously debating whether women should vote or own property. Where disagreement shows up is in how modern feminism gets applied in interpretation and culture, not the baseline rights. That’s where a lot of pushback comes from. One issue some people point to is how gender narrative…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 05:51 PM
13	The mockery of "unselected" men is a proxy victory. Women celebrate their loneliness because they are powerless against the elite men who actually exploit them. The target at low hanging fruit to make themselves feel better. Your argument relies on mixing multiple different systems of behavior and treating them as one coordinated structure, but that assumption breaks down once you separate incentives, scale, and actual decision-making processes. The first issue is the idea of coordinated intent across “women” as a group. That requires a shared mechanism of control or unified strategy, which does not exist in decentralized social behavior. Dating preferences, online commentary, and reactions to men are produced indep…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 05:59 AM
4	Women ignore men on purpose "If she wanted to, she would" works at the individual level, not as an explanation for an entire dating market. Some women clearly don't want to be approached, while others do. That alone shows the situation is more complicated than saying all women intentionally made themselves inaccessible. You're also taking behaviors that can have multiple explanations and treating them as proof of one motive. Wearing headphones, avoiding eye contact, or spending time with female friends doesn't automaticall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 04:38 AM
6	Women who don't pay for thier stuff or avoid 50-50 are red flags. If a woman refuses to do what's mentioned, then the best assumption is that she simply isn't into you, and leaving is best for your self-respect. People who genuinely want to be with you usually find ways to invest in the relationship themselves instead of expecting you to carry everything. The biggest point isn't whether every bill is split exactly 50/50. It's whether both people are showing they're invested in each other. Someone who values you will usually want to contribute in some meaningfu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 04:27 AM
2	The root of misogyny is jealousy. I already explained why it made no sense, which was the disagreement, so I’m not sure why you keep trying to respond about it. I already gave my reply as to why it didn’t make sense, and you haven’t been able to explain how it made any sense at all. So there was no reason to respond to my initial message in the first place. We’re best off just leaving it there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 04:23 AM
3	The root of misogyny is jealousy. Ok, you’re just going in circles at this point. I’ve already explained why I disagree, and you haven’t really addressed it. I never said catcalling, verbal harassment, or calling women "foids" were criticism. I explicitly separated those from criticism earlier. My argument has always been about the next step. Even if I accept those examples as misogyny, I still don't think you've established that jealousy is the root cause rather than one possible explanation among several. Simply saying you bel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 03:58 AM
3	The root of misogyny is jealousy. Of course I know I can disagree. I'm just pointing out that the way it was used, even in your examples, makes no sense and does fall under what I said. Simply saying you distinguish criticism from misogyny doesn't change how your examples function. The examples still connect the criticism back to jealousy, which is exactly the issue I pointed out. That's why I said your distinction doesn't actually separate the two in practice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 03:31 AM
–	Wives who don’t have regular sex with their husbands should never have married him Yeah it can suck since men can have things in place and the woman changes it mid marriage. Sexual compatibility can exist when people get married, then change years later, so talking about it beforehand doesn't eliminate that possibility. A couple can genuinely be on the same page when they say "I do." They can have similar sex drives, similar expectations, and both be happy with the relationship at the time. Over the years, though, those expectations can change. One person's interest in sex can…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 03:26 AM
3	The root of misogyny is jealousy. «I agree, and I never said this was the case.» My point is that once criticism and misogyny aren't clearly separated, it becomes much easier to attribute criticism to jealousy when it may not even be misogyny to begin with. «They are not automatically hatred, and I'm not talking about those moments. I'm talking about moments where it is blatant misogyny.» Even if we limit it to blatant misogyny, the point I challenged hasn't changed. I still don't think you've established that jealousy is the ps…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 02:26 AM
5	Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biased I agree with the overall point. Too many people judge arguments based on who is making them or what motives they assume the other person has instead of whether the argument is actually true. I also think you're right that a valid issue can lose credibility when it's argued from hatred, resentment, or obvious self-interest. Even if the underlying concern is legitimate, people become distracted by the tone or perceived motivation instead of engaging with the actual point. At the same time, motives…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 08:38 PM
3	The root of misogyny is jealousy. Yeah, but people can have disagreements with women without hating women as a whole. That’s what keeps getting lost now. Criticism, disagreement, frustration, or pointing out double standards is not automatically misogyny. Misogyny is hatred or contempt toward women as a gender. That is different from criticizing certain behaviors, dating patterns, social expectations, or cultural double standards involving women. Those things can be unfair or badly argued sometimes, but they are not automaticall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 08:30 PM
7	The root of misogyny is jealousy. That’s fine, then we agree it’s a hypothesis. My issue is with how strongly you’re applying it. Saying jealousy can be one motive is different from saying jealousy is the psychological root of misogyny. A person can have negative things to say about women’s behavior, dating patterns, double standards, or social dynamics without hating women as a whole. That’s the part that keeps getting blurred. Criticism of women is not automatically misogyny, and misogyny is not automatically jealousy. You can…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 08:18 PM
7	The root of misogyny is jealousy. Explaining your reasoning isn't the same as establishing your conclusion. You gave a series of interpretations about what these men are supposedly thinking or feeling, then concluded the motive is jealousy. That's a hypothesis about their internal motives, not evidence that jealousy is actually driving the behavior. I disagree because your explanations don't rule out other motives like entitlement, hostility, prejudice, resentment, or a desire for control. Simply offering one possible explanatio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 08:03 PM
7	The root of misogyny is jealousy. Then we're back to the original point. Even if I accept your examples as misogyny, you still haven't established that jealousy is the motive behind them. Your entire post isn't just "this behavior is misogynistic." It's "this behavior is misogynistic because men are jealous of women." That's the claim I challenged. Calling something misogyny doesn't automatically prove jealousy is the cause. You still have to support that connection instead of asserting it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 07:55 PM
3	What do you mean by “social skills”? Social skills in dating aren’t a fixed checklist. They’re a combination of observable behaviors and how those behaviors are interpreted in context. Things like listening properly, pacing conversation, reading tone, and handling rejection are concrete skills, but the overall judgment comes from how consistently those show up and how they land in real interaction. They’re not a reliable toolbox where applying a set action guarantees a predictable result. The same behavior can work in one context a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 06:11 PM
4	If women are the problem, why do you want them to birth and raise more kids? Nah I will if I want to but I understand that but I try to make their point look as bad as possible in the process which I’ve been really good at doing so it’s no problem. A lot of bad faith ones here so you have to find a way to have fun with it. Trying to make someone’s point look bad isn’t the same as testing whether it actually holds up. It can slip into weakening a version of their argument that isn’t fully what they meant, even if that’s not the intent. Bad faith does exist, but once you l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 06:02 PM
3	"Nice guys finish last", AFBB statementes are kind of true for most average guys. That’s not really addressing the point being discussed. Nobody in the argument is saying people shouldn’t improve themselves, or that they should accept low-attraction relationships. The actual claim being discussed is whether “both sexes settle” actually captures the difference in how men and women tend to trade off attraction versus stability when choosing partners. Your reply moves away from that and into advice about self-improvement, grooming, charisma, and avoiding “lifeless marriages.” Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 05:53 PM
11	The root of misogyny is jealousy. Nobody said “all criticism is misogyny,” and nobody said harassment is just criticism. You’re taking extreme examples and using them to avoid the actual point. Calling women “foids” or street harassment isn’t criticism, it’s abuse. That’s not in dispute and it’s not what the argument was about. The point was that “misogyny” gets stretched so broadly it’s often used to shut down criticism of behavior, dating dynamics, or social patterns without actually engaging whether the criticism is valid or …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 05:49 PM
7	If roughly half of Gen Z men have no hope of ever getting married and having children, how can anyone be surprised they're being radicalized? That doesn’t address the point. Calling it “preying” assumes exploitation from the start, which doesn’t follow just from someone coming from a poorer country. If two adults willingly choose to date, marry, or sleep together, that’s still consensual unless you actually show coercion or deception, not just assume it. The expectation that these men should just stay and “compete harder at home” also doesn’t make sense in that framing. If they’re more desired elsewhere, the idea that they’re obligate…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 05:35 PM
13	The root of misogyny is jealousy. Not at all. At this point, "misogyny" has been used so broadly that it's often treated as a way to dismiss criticism of women rather than address whether the criticism itself has merit. Labeling criticism as misogyny doesn't answer whether the criticism is true or false. Your argument also relies almost entirely on assigning motives. You repeatedly claim men criticize women because they're jealous, but you don't actually establish that. Someone criticizing obesity, modern dating behavior, tradit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 05:15 AM
10	If roughly half of Gen Z men have no hope of ever getting married and having children, how can anyone be surprised they're being radicalized? Calling it "preying" assumes exploitation from the start, and I don't think that follows. If two adults willingly choose to date, marry, or sleep together, then it's a consensual relationship. Simply because one person comes from a poorer country doesn't automatically make the relationship predatory. I also don't understand why the expectation is that these men should just keep competing harder at home. If they're finding that they're more desired elsewhere, why is that a bad thing? Most people …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 04:58 AM
3	Talking to women is impossible. The debate topic is “Talking to women is impossible”, and OP acknowledges that this is the first step to have multiple interactions to get to know someone prior to dating. He then uses an example of wanting to approach a stranger in a cafe. I think you're reading the title too literally and missing the point of what he's describing. He's clearly talking about the difficulty of meeting women as potential partners, not claiming he's physically incapable of speaking to women. Of course creating rom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 04:41 AM
7	If the woman is successful and makes more money than the man, he can be a stay at home dad while the woman provides In theory, I agree. If the woman is the higher earner, then having the father stay home can absolutely make financial sense. Looking purely at income and childcare costs, it can be the most practical decision for the family. The issue is that I don't think most women would actually be comfortable with that arrangement when it's their own relationship. A lot of women still prefer a partner who earns at least as much as they do or who takes on the primary provider role. That's reflected in many wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 11:26 PM
6	"Nice guys finish last", AFBB statementes are kind of true for most average guys. I agree both men and women settle to some degree. I just don't think it's equal. Men generally seem more willing to stay with someone they're highly attracted to even if she isn't the most stable choice, while women are more likely to trade some attraction for stability, security, or long-term compatibility. That's why I don't think saying "men do it too" completely answers the concern. The issue isn't whether both sexes settle. It's whether they're settling in the same way. For many men, ending…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 11:06 PM
9	"Nice guys finish last", AFBB statementes are kind of true for most average guys. I don't think those ideas and the original point are mutually exclusive. Someone can absolutely improve socially while it still being true that people with established social circles have a much easier time meeting partners. Self-improvement doesn't erase structural advantages. In fact, most of your suggestions are really about increasing opportunities. Seasonal work, traveling, language groups, churches, public speaking, sales, bars, martial arts, and volunteering all have one thing in common: …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 10:55 PM
5	Talking to women is impossible. I don't think that's really addressing his point. Talking to strangers in general isn't the same thing as trying to create romantic opportunities. The expectations, risks, and outcomes are completely different. Most men can have normal conversations with women. The difficult part isn't saying hello or making small talk. It's knowing when and how to express romantic interest without coming across as unwanted, awkward, or intrusive. That's a challenge men face far more often because they're genera…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 10:47 PM
7	Women detest men who “just want to have sex” yet live exactly like that from age 18 to 32 or so. Yeah, it's always odd when people act like men wanting sex is somehow uniquely bad when men usually have to do a lot of the pursuing just to make it happen. Men are generally expected to initiate, risk rejection, carry the conversation, escalate, and create the opportunity in the first place. None of that happens by itself for most men. That's why I don't see wanting sex as some unique flaw. If both adults are consenting and looking for the same thing, then both of them want sex. The difference …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 10:24 PM
13	Question for bluepill: Why do feminists say men have problems expressing their feelings, when men are known for being more direct and blunt then women? I think the confusion is that directness and emotional expression are being treated like the same thing. Men may be more direct in certain situations, especially in dating initiation or stating what they want, but that does not mean they are equally comfortable expressing vulnerability, fear, sadness, insecurity, or emotional dependence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 04:55 PM
3	Talking to women is impossible. Probably not completely fried. I do think you're describing a real problem though. If you don't already have a social circle, meeting women becomes much harder because there are simply fewer opportunities. That's very different from it being impossible. The biggest issue isn't that you can't cold approach or that you're mildly autistic. It's that your opportunities are limited. The fewer women you naturally meet, the more every interaction starts to feel like it has to work, which makes the whol…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 04:46 PM
–	Avoidant attachment is often an overcomplicated explanation for unequal romantic interest I think you're taking one explanation and making it cover too much. Low interest explains a lot, but many different personalities exist, so not every behavior comes down to how much someone wants another person. Two people can genuinely be equally interested in someone and still behave very differently. One person may be more expressive, another more reserved. One may communicate constantly, another may need more space. Those differences don't automatically disappear just because the level of in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 06:28 AM
6	It's not "men act, women are", it's "men's skills are recognized, women's are taken for granted". Well, at least you actually owned it. Most people would spend the whole conversation insisting they're completely objective while doing the exact same thing, lol. That said, just because you recognize the bias doesn't mean it's harmless. If you already know your default reaction is to believe gossip about strangers, that's probably one worth pushing back on. Otherwise, you're letting whoever tells the story first shape your opinion before you've heard the other side.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 06:20 AM
1	Gendered expectations for men are only retired in word, not reality Some people, both men and women, do push back on those expectations. The problem is there doesn't seem to be nearly the same willingness to push women toward the less favorable traditional roles or challenge the expectations that benefit them. That's where a lot of the skepticism comes from. When traditional expectations disadvantage women, there's often strong pressure to change them. When traditional expectations disadvantage men, the response is usually much weaker. Expectations like being th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 04:31 AM
–	Lavar Balls situation is proof women can't truly love a men Yeah, but he was well known for acting like that for years. She was married to him for around 30 years and stayed with him even after she dealt with being paralyzed from her stroke. Those traits weren't some new discovery. That's why I don't think it's convincing to point to his past comments as the obvious explanation. If those behaviors were the real dealbreaker, she had decades to leave. The timing makes it reasonable to think there were other factors involved instead of assuming it all came …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 04:07 AM
4	It's not "men act, women are", it's "men's skills are recognized, women's are taken for granted". Well, it's best to know the full story first. You have to make sure the mother isn't keeping the child away from the father or making his life hell out of spite. Even fathers in those situations often get called trash, especially if the mother is badmouthing them, despite her playing a part in creating the situation. That's why I don't think it's reasonable to automatically assume that if the father isn't living with the mother, he's the problem. There are fathers who abandon their children, and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 03:12 AM
–	Most men here don't just have dating problem, they're severely under-socialized in general. Yeah, it hasn't, which is why men have to work with what they can in the meantime, or even forever. Some people might not like hearing that, but if your ideal isn't realistic, then date or mainly sleep with women who still fit enough of what you're looking for, even if they're two or three points lower overall. If you're still on the way up, keep improving yourself and see where you end up. If not, then you've still made the best of the situation instead of giving up. I also don't think attracti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 03:05 AM
–	A question regarding chores and sexual altruism of men I think you're pointing out a real inconsistency. If domestic labor and sexual satisfaction are major reasons relationships are supposedly a raw deal for women, then those should be major things women screen for while dating. A man who can cook, clean, manage his own life, and cares about mutual satisfaction should be treated as a serious green flag. The problem is that a lot of dating standards still revolve around traditional male roles. Women often still expect men to initiate, plan, pay, lea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 01:01 AM
4	It's not "men act, women are", it's "men's skills are recognized, women's are taken for granted". I think you're changing the argument a bit. My point wasn't that society always recognizes the effort behind those qualities. My point was that women are still rewarded and praised for them. Those aren't the same claim. Women are regularly praised for being good mothers, emotionally supportive, caring, attractive, and nurturing. Those qualities are widely recognized as valuable. So I don't think it's accurate to say society doesn't reward them simply because some people view them as natural. I t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 12:49 AM
–	Most men here don't just have dating problem, they're severely under-socialized in general. Well yeah, a man can make that choice. The difference is that he's basically throwing in the towel. Unlike women, if most men stop putting in effort, nothing is going to happen for them in dating. Unless they suddenly come into a lot of money or something drastically changes, opportunities generally aren't going to appear on their own. That's why I don't think your ROI comparison fully works. If a man still wants a relationship, stopping doesn't just reduce his chances. For most men, it reduces …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 12:38 AM
1	It's not "men act, women are", it's "men's skills are recognized, women's are taken for granted". Well yeah, I do believe single mothers get that regardless. That's really all it takes to receive a Happy Father's Day. The father doesn't have to be trash for that to happen, and I've been seeing it for years. Sure, some of those posts could be ragebait, but that doesn't explain all of them. I've seen it happen often enough over the years that I don't think it's just people trying to farm reactions. From what I've seen, it's a genuine sentiment that a lot of people hold.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 12:30 AM
10	It's not "men act, women are", it's "men's skills are recognized, women's are taken for granted". I don't think that's accurate. It isn't just a few viral posts. Women are regularly praised for motherhood, caregiving, beauty, emotional intelligence, and other contributions. Those qualities are celebrated across media, advertising, schools, workplaces, and even holidays. That makes it difficult to argue society generally fails to recognize women's efforts. I also don't think your comparison with male-coded skills really holds. A lot of men would argue that their contributions are treated as o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 12:15 AM
18	It's not "men act, women are", it's "men's skills are recognized, women's are taken for granted". I don't think that's true in today's culture. Women receive plenty of praise for things they do, while men are often overlooked for comparable contributions. Your conclusion is that women's efforts generally go unrecognized, but that doesn't logically follow from what we see in many areas of public life. Take Father's Day as one example. It's become common for people to wish mothers a Happy Father's Day or shift attention toward mothers, even though the day is specifically meant to recognize fat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 11:52 PM
6	The sexual revolution and casual sex brought about delusional standards - even for women who are not promiscuous. Yeah, even women who don't engage in casual sex can still be influenced by those dynamics. If men they consider to be out of their league are showing romantic interest, giving compliments, taking them on dates, or making them feel special, it's easy to see how that could affect their expectations. They don't necessarily have to sleep with those men for the experience to leave an impression. That's why I don't think the effect is limited to women who are having casual sex themselves. Temporary at…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 11:36 PM
3	If you're a regular, average guy, you don't need to relate on dating apps Yeah, I can understand it if someone has genuinely tried for years without success. That would discourage almost anyone. At the same time, giving up doesn't solve the problem. Men should know by now that some things in life require a lot of work, and dating can be one of them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 06:22 PM
2	“Just be happy single” is easy advice when singledom is optional. I think that's especially true for women. Not every woman has it easy, but for most women, being single generally isn't the same type of challenge that it is for many men. Even when a woman doesn't have the exact partner she wants, she often has more opportunities to date or reenter the dating market than the average man. That changes how advice like "just be happy single" is experienced. If someone believes they can realistically find dates again whenever they decide to, being single is much mo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 06:01 PM
–	Men who have a hard time getting laid, do you read romance novels? Nah, I think that is more of a women’s thing and pretty much always has been. Romance novels, romantasy, and Bridgerton-type content are usually written around female desire, not male desire. It makes sense that women would relate to it more, but I doubt most struggling men are going to learn much from it that actually translates to their reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 05:41 PM
–	Most men here don't just have dating problem, they're severely under-socialized in general. I agree there's a snowball effect in many areas of life. Missing opportunities early can absolutely make things more difficult later. The part I disagree with is treating that as if there's no point trying once you're behind. The logical conclusion from "it's harder" is that people need more effort, time, or a different approach. It doesn't logically become "it's effectively over." Those are two very different conclusions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 05:30 PM
–	Most men here don't just have dating problem, they're severely under-socialized in general. I don't disagree that adolescence and early adulthood are important. Those experiences absolutely shape people. The part I disagree with is treating them as if they lock someone's future into place. Being rejected or isolated early in life can have lasting effects, but that doesn't mean someone is incapable of developing socially later on. Those are two different claims. "It has a major influence" doesn't logically become "it's pretty much over if you missed out." The second conclusion goes much…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 05:26 PM
9	If you're a regular, average guy, you don't need to relate on dating apps I think you're taking a real problem and turning it into an absolute rule. Dating apps are undeniably more difficult for average men, but that doesn't mean average men shouldn't use them. A lower success rate isn't the same thing as no chance. Even if the odds aren't great, it's still another avenue that can lead to meeting someone. The better advice is to stop relying on them as your primary strategy rather than abandoning them altogether. Keep them in the background while putting most of your …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 04:06 AM
6	How should a female navigate a situation where the man is smaller than average In general, if it's a genuine dealbreaker, honesty is usually better than ghosting. Everyone has preferences, and sexual compatibility matters to some people. Leading someone on or disappearing tends to create more confusion than simply ending things respectfully.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 03:15 AM
11	Most men here don't just have dating problem, they're severely under-socialized in general. I think you're describing genuine challenges, but then taking them further than the evidence supports. It's true that many adults have less free time, established social circles, and fewer opportunities to meet new people. Those factors absolutely make socializing harder than it was during school or college. The leap I don't agree with is saying it's "pretty much over" if you missed those formative years. That's a much stronger claim than the experiences you've described support. Harder doesn't …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 02:03 AM
4	Modern Men Are Being Punished for a Past They Didn’t Create Yes, they do. They just might not be in your circle. Men who regularly discuss these issues clearly care enough to form and express opinions about them. Caring doesn't have to mean some deep emotional attachment. It can simply mean thinking an issue is worth discussing, just like people do with politics, sports, or any other topic. You're also treating your personal experience as if it represents all well-socialized men. Saying you've "never seen" successful men advocate for this doesn't establi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 01:58 AM
3	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. I think you're overlooking how long this image of masculinity has been reinforced. For generations, men have been praised for being stoic, carrying burdens alone, and enduring hardship without asking for help. When those messages have been repeated for decades, it's not surprising that some men still view suffering as something tied to masculinity. That doesn't mean it's healthy or that therapy is bad. It means cultural expectations don't change overnight. If someone grows up seeing the "strong …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 01:36 AM
4	Modern Men Are Being Punished for a Past They Didn’t Create Nah, that isn't really true. Some successful or socially adjusted men absolutely do care about struggling men. Some don't, obviously, but that is true in almost every group. You can find successful women who don't care at all about unsuccessful women too. The problem is you're treating that as if it's uniquely male. Plenty of people distance themselves from those who are awkward, unsuccessful, low status, or socially struggling. That happens across the board. It isn't some special thing only men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 01:25 AM
–	No AI generated posts Yeah, the quality that ChatGPT and Claude put out is more than good enough for posts. Ones that sound like bots, like some of the other ones, I can kind of understand, but not the top-of-the-line models.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 11:30 PM
1	The manosphere thrives because society has failed to provide an alternative. Yeah, but it kind of sucks that it took something like COVID for that advantage to really matter. We don't get disruptions on that scale very often, so it's not exactly something people can rely on. During that period, it was probably for the best that dating slowed down anyway given everything that was going on. Once things returned to normal, the usual dating dynamics came back too, so any advantage from that environment was always likely to be very temporary.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 11:27 PM
1	“Just be happy single” is easy advice when singledom is optional. I think that's one of the biggest disconnects in dating discussions. Being told to "be happy single" feels completely different when you know you could probably find a relationship if you decided to pursue one. In that case, being single is largely a choice, not something being imposed on you. For people with few or no realistic options, the advice can sound like, "Accept that this may be your permanent reality." That's why the same words can feel encouraging to one person and dismissive to anot…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 06:00 PM
7	Most men here don't just have dating problem, they're severely under-socialized in general. Sometimes, but I think you're painting with too broad a brush. There are definitely men who are under-socialized and approach dating like it's a formula to solve. That group exists, and it can create obvious problems. The flaw is assuming that everyone who struggles falls into that category. Plenty of men understand social dynamics just fine. They know how conversations work, they understand flirting, and they recognize social cues. Their problem isn't a lack of understanding it's that they're a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 05:41 PM
1	Do you view being penetrated as submissive, degrading or bad? Oh, okay. That surprised me. Usually, when people on here come at me like that, there is no apology, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 05:29 PM
3	Modern Men Are Being Punished for a Past They Didn’t Create You're conflating pattern recognition with collective judgment. Those aren't the same thing. Recognizing that certain risks exist is perfectly reasonable. Treating every individual as though they're personally responsible for those risks is a separate claim that doesn't automatically follow. Nobody is arguing that women should have "complete naïveté" or ignore safety. That's a strawman. Taking precautions like meeting in public, telling a friend where you're going, or leaving if someone makes yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 05:27 PM
–	Being overzealous is bad. I think you're comparing two different stages of dating. Being overly eager is something people notice immediately, so it affects first impressions. Abuse, cheating, or other serious flaws often aren't obvious until after attraction and emotional attachment have already formed. Overzealousness can also signal that someone has very few options or is willing to commit to almost anyone who shows interest. Whether that's true or not, that's often the impression it creates. So it isn't that enthusias…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 05:37 AM
4	I think that women highly value confidence and this puts men at a significant dating disadvantage. I know you didn't. I wasn't claiming you did. I was expanding on the discussion by separating two issues: why the preference exists and what effect it has. Your post was about the effect of preferring confidence, so I was explaining why I think that effect occurs. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand. It was posted under the automod to expand on the discussion, not to debate you about why the preference exists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 05:15 AM
4	I think that women highly value confidence and this puts men at a significant dating disadvantage. I never said you implied malicious intent. My point is that if a preference puts a large group of men at a disadvantage, it can contribute to their suffering regardless of why that preference exists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 05:05 AM
8	Is true that men marry the convenient women they CAN have, while spend their lives secretly obsessing over the women they truly desire but can't have? Yeah, some men do if they had someone else in mind that they wanted but couldn’t get. Like I was saying, in most men’s case, that dream woman might’ve been unattainable for anything, unlike most women’s unattainable dream man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 05:01 AM
1	Female entitlement Yeah, this is well known, but I think you're oversimplifying the solution. You're treating pedestalization as the cause when, for many men, it's a symptom of their dating reality. A man who rarely gets attention is naturally going to place more value on women and sex than someone who has plenty of opportunities. That's why simply telling men to "stop simping" isn't enough. If those same men had more dating experience and more options, many would likely stop pedestalizing women without anyone hav…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 04:55 AM
2	Do male victims even exist in the eyes of women? Yeah, both sexes do this. If you spend enough time consuming content that constantly paints the other sex in the worst possible light, it's easy to end up stressed or cynical.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 04:33 AM
4	Is true that men marry the convenient women they CAN have, while spend their lives secretly obsessing over the women they truly desire but can't have? You compared it the moment you referenced AFBB. You said, "I know you want it, it's the AFBB posts," because you recognized there's an equivalent claim about women. That's the comparison I was responding to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 04:26 AM
3	Is true that men marry the convenient women they CAN have, while spend their lives secretly obsessing over the women they truly desire but can't have? Yeah, both sexes are likely to do this, but you're treating two different situations as though they're the same. That's the flaw in your comparison. Many women at least have a chance to experience the men they desire most, even if they ultimately can't secure commitment. They may not get the relationship they wanted, but they often get the opportunity to see where things go. For many men, that opportunity never exists to begin with. The issue isn't that they couldn't lock down the person they wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 03:43 AM
7	I don't understand why men take pride in saying they have low standards You're projecting your own experience onto everyone else. Plenty of men are struggling, so getting even basic interest or a relationship is something they're genuinely proud of because it isn't easy for them. You're also conflating 'having low standards' with recognizing your own dating reality. Many men would happily date women they normally wouldn't have considered because their options are limited. That's not necessarily a lack of self-respect; it's adapting to their circumstances. Your frien…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 03:22 AM
5	I don't understand why men take pride in saying they have low standards You're projecting your own experience onto everyone else. Plenty of men are struggling, so getting even basic interest or a relationship is something they're genuinely proud of because it isn't easy for them. You're also conflating 'having low standards' with recognizing your own dating reality. Many men would happily date women they normally wouldn't have considered because their options are limited. That's not necessarily a lack of self-respect; it's adapting to their circumstances. Your frien…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 03:19 AM
1	Do you view being penetrated as submissive, degrading or bad? You're arguing against a point I didn't make. I never said it's true because it's an old belief. I said society has viewed it that way for a long time, so it isn't surprising that many people still do. So get it right before commenting on this old ass post.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 03:14 AM
–	Is too much perfection a red flag? If he comes across as genuine and it all feels natural, probably not. People usually don't get suspicious just because someone is charismatic. They get suspicious when it feels rehearsed, forced, or too polished to be authentic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 01:25 AM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Yeah, but we still know most men aren’t going to be approached. Most men get declined currently while making actually making the effort, let alone women actually having to put forth the effort for most men. So, like I said, you could never have a point, in my opinion. Maybe many generations later it could happen, but I doubt even that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 01:18 AM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Yes, but it’s speculation nonetheless, which has been my entire point. Now, if they try and it works like you said, then you would have more of a point. Even then, it would require women to actually approach most men, not only the ones who can already do that easily, since most women are quite picky. So we would need two major things to happen for you to truly have a point. There is almost no likelihood of one of those happening, let alone both, especially in our lifetime.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 12:34 AM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Still not proof of anything still speculation until it actually plays out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 12:23 AM
9	Modern Men Are Being Punished for a Past They Didn’t Create The debate isn't over whether women have valid concerns. Most men already accept that they do. The real question is whether those concerns justify viewing men as inherently suspicious until proven otherwise. In nearly every other area of life, people argue that individuals should be judged on their own conduct rather than being associated with the actions of a broader group. Yet when it comes to men, that principle is often applied far less consistently. That's one reason male-focused spaces gai…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 08:51 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Yeah, you gave an explanation based on speculation, though. This is not about you painting anyone as anything. The fact you keep missing is that this has never been tested, so you can’t point to any era where women have done that to back up what you are saying. So yeah, you can feel that could be the case, just like other women can, but there is no evidence on a wide scale to pull from. Not sure why you keep ignoring that major point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 07:56 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Yes that is what you are doing here. Not me though I'm using actual history of how its not been done which is actually accurate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 07:48 PM
7	Do male victims even exist in the eyes of women? Society generally has more sympathy for women in situations like this, especially in dating. When a woman gets misled, used, or emotionally played, people usually understand that deception matters. They don't just say, "Well, she should have known better." They recognize that being lied to can make someone a victim. Yet when the roles are reversed, people often act like the man is just silly for trusting her. Suddenly the deception barely matters, and all the blame gets shifted onto him for beli…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 07:35 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Nothing wrong with that if that was the case. Seems like you want it bad yourself, even though you are clearly wrong. Not just a little wrong, but completely wrong. We have no evidence of what you are saying being true on a mass scale. You are just speaking about how women feel it would be and trying to present that as a fact of how it actually would be. Until women actually pursue first, we have nothing to work with. So me saying it’s speculation is way more deserving of the last word, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 07:07 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Yeah, and then you replied back instead of moving along. There is nothing wrong with saying it’s speculation. It’s silly to act like you can be certain about anything that hasn’t been tested. It’s fine for any woman to believe that could be the case, but saying it as a fact is where it gets silly, which is all that I was pointing out. So believe it to be the case, but until it’s actually proven with women pursuing first, it’s nothing more than speculation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 06:58 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness No that is wrong like I said there is no evidence so this is just speculation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 06:41 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness No, it doesn’t. We can just end it there. You are going in circles with something that can’t be proven as of yet, so we can agree to disagree on this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 06:33 PM
–	There are no free good men That doesn't really show she was screwed over though. It shows she kept choosing the same path despite the results. If she's been single for 20+ years and still refuses to adjust her standards, then at some point it's not society forcing that outcome on her. It's a conscious decision to keep holding out for what she wants. The difference is that most men don't get to do that for very long. A man with unrealistic standards is usually confronted with reality pretty quickly because he isn't getting…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 06:31 PM
2	I think that women highly value confidence and this puts men at a significant dating disadvantage. To some extent, yes. If confidence is a trait that many women strongly prefer, and modern life is producing more anxious, isolated, and socially awkward men, then that naturally creates a mismatch. The thing I'd push back on is that women aren't usually selecting for confidence because they want men to suffer. Confidence tends to signal competence, social ability, leadership, resilience, and the ability to handle uncertainty. Whether those signals are always accurate is a separate question. The …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 05:53 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness I never said they would. The discussion was whether women approaching would make men significantly more likely to behave badly than they already do, which is obviously not able to be proven as of yet, so it doesn’t make sense to even argue that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 05:44 PM
–	There are no free good men Yeah, it happens on both sides, but men usually get taught reality a lot faster. A guy can want a fit, attractive woman all day long, but if he's average, awkward, or out of shape, there's a good chance those women won't even look his way romantically. Men get that feedback pretty quickly. A lot of women, even ones who aren't particularly attractive, can still get male attention. It may only be sexual attention, but it's still attention. That can make it easier to believe that higher-level optio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 05:36 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Nope.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 05:32 PM
1	Are men who gossip or make fun of others generally considered attractive to women? Something can come from insecurity and still function as a status display. Those aren't mutually exclusive. A man can be seeking validation, trying to put someone beneath him, and still successfully improve his standing within the group. Also, most people want approval and acceptance from others, especially younger people. Seeking social validation isn't some trait unique to insecure men. It's a pretty normal part of human social behavior. The question isn't whether the behavior is morally good.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 05:26 PM
2	Are you sure size doesn't matter? I think you're probably overestimating size and underestimating skill. Size matters to some extent, especially at the extremes, but knowing how to use what you have is likely far more important for most women than moving from one size category to another. That's one reason why you hear so many women say size isn't everything. They aren't necessarily saying size has zero impact. They're saying a guy with average size and good sexual skills is often going to outperform a bigger guy who has no idea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 04:52 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness No it isn't this isn't provable currently so its silly to act like that is fact. Maybe one day we will find out until then its all speculation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 04:47 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Men can treat women poorly regardless of who approaches. Women already complain about being used for sex, strung along, kept as placeholders, ghosted, or misled under the current system where men do most of the approaching. So simply saying "the target is on the woman" doesn't show that approaching causes the poor treatment. It just assumes it does.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 04:45 PM
–	Modern Men Are Being Punished for a Past They Didn’t Create The issue isn't whether women have legitimate concerns. Most men already acknowledge that they do. The issue is whether those concerns justify treating men as a suspect class by default. People generally reject collective guilt in almost every other context, yet many are comfortable applying it to men. That's part of why male-focused spaces became popular. A lot of men feel that when women have a problem, society looks for solutions. When men have a problem, society often looks for ways to blame…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 04:30 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness That still doesn't answer the point. You're explaining why some women don't want to approach, not proving that men would treat women worse if they did. The claim was that men would be significantly more "diabolical" toward women who approach. We don't actually know that because women approaching in large numbers has never really been tested. Saying "men hurt women" isn't evidence for that specific claim. It's just a reason some women may not want to find out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 04:21 PM
2	Men are blamed first before any rationality is considered because women will never choose a stance against each other if they can blame men The interesting part is not whether people agree or disagree with the policy. It's the accountability question. A lot of men remember raising concerns about some of these issues years ago and being attacked for it. Then when some women later raise similar concerns, the concern itself suddenly becomes more acceptable to discuss. What makes people cynical is that the blame often still gets redirected toward men, even when many of the men being blamed were among the people objecting in the first pl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 04:03 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness We don't really know that though. That's just an assumption. Women approaching in large numbers has never really been tested on a broad scale, so claiming men would be significantly more "diabolical" is mostly speculation. A handful of women having bad experiences doesn't establish a general rule.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 03:55 PM
1	Most people don’t want to be around someone with a victim complex, You seriously dug this old post up just to say this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 03:52 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness That doesn't really solve the problem though. Men can already do that under the current system. A man doesn't need a woman to approach him in order to string her along, use her as a placeholder, or pursue sex without long-term intentions. Women complain about those exact things now. So the possibility of a man behaving badly isn't an argument against women approaching. It's a risk that already exists regardless of who makes the first move. If anything, approaching gives a woman more control over…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 03:49 PM
2	People, especially women, will often push their personal boundaries to make their partner happy. What's interesting is that this directly contradicts the idea that most boundaries are completely fixed and non-negotiable. If people regularly move them for partners they value, then they clearly aren't as absolute as they're often presented. People often say things like "just be yourself" or "the right person will accept you exactly as you are," but in reality most relationships involve negotiation, compromise, and adapting to what the other person wants. Both men and women move boundaries, ch…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 06:24 AM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Most women get plenty of opportunities even if they aren't getting the absolute best treatment reserved for the most attractive women. Not getting supreme treatment is not the same thing as lacking options. The effort argument doesnt make much sense. If a woman chooses to approach or make things happen herself, she's actually taking more control over the outcome rather than less. Waiting around for random approaches doesn't magically make her less vulnerable. As for aging and losing value, a lot…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 06:12 AM
2	What if women were attracted to boring, apathetic, mediocre men instead of fun, energetic ones? Look at how many negatives you had to stack together for the woman, lol. 400 pounds, horrible hygiene, awful personality, terrible appearance, and more. For a man, the threshold is often much lower. A guy can be reasonably clean, average looking, employed, and still struggle heavily if he's socially awkward, boring, shy, or just doesn't generate attraction. You're comparing a woman with nearly every major negative trait imaginable to a man who is basically just a loser with no social success.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 03:50 AM
6	No AI generated posts Should be no AI-generated posts that read like obvious AI. High-quality AI-assisted content that actually makes sense and contributes to the discussion should be ok.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 03:41 AM
3	Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is Entitlement Maybe in theory, but in practice the two scenarios aren't equally likely. A lot of men would happily stop paying if they knew it wouldn't hurt their dating prospects. The problem is that many women still expect it or view it positively, so men have an incentive to keep doing it. On the other hand, plenty of women openly say they're fine being single rather than dating men who don't meet their standards. So if men collectively stopped paying tomorrow, many women would simply opt out rather than a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 03:28 AM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Just because women may have to try more as they get older doesn't mean they suddenly don't have any good options. The whole point is that they still have options. They just may not have the same level of effortless attention they had when younger, which means effort starts mattering more. Men have always had to put in effort. So saying women might have to do more of the same as they age isn't some catastrophic outcome. It just means they're dealing with a reality men have dealt with all along. A…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/26 03:18 AM
3	Why do you still want to date? Well, of course that's the easy solution. The reason people keep discussing it is because most people still want relationships, sex, marriage, or families. Telling people to stop dating is a bit like telling someone who wants a career to stop applying for jobs because the process is frustrating. It technically solves the complaint, but it doesn't solve the underlying desire. Most people aren't trying to figure out how to avoid dating. They're trying to figure out how to make dating work. That's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 09:25 PM
1	If women are the problem, why do you want them to birth and raise more kids? Doesn’t matter. This obviously isn’t a debate post.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 09:12 PM
6	The idea that "most men on dating apps are trash and don't want commitment" is egregious inaccurate Yeah, that's a lot more reasonable. If a woman has clearly communicated what she likes and what helps her enjoy sex, then it makes much more sense to criticize a man who repeatedly ignores it or refuses to put in any effort. The problem is that a lot of people jump straight to "he should just know" when different women like different things. At some point there has to be communication. The "if he wanted to, he would" advice can be especially unhelpful because it assumes men automatically know wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 09:11 PM
2	If women are the problem, why do you want them to birth and raise more kids? Nope it was properly addressed like I said no need in you continue to argue bout this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 08:52 PM
5	If women are the problem, why do you want them to birth and raise more kids? No I spoke about the points made and go on about other stuff as well. So you are the one that need to read what is said properly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 08:43 PM
7	The idea that "most men on dating apps are trash and don't want commitment" is egregious inaccurate Well, women might have to assist more with that because different things get different women off. A man can learn general principles, but eventually he's dealing with an individual woman, not women as a whole. If a woman expects a man to know exactly what works for her without communicating it, that's not very realistic either. Some responsibility has to be on her side because women themselves often disagree on what they enjoy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 08:36 PM
3	Desperation isn’t that bad. Yeah, it can look bad on either sex, but society is generally much harsher on male desperation than female desperation. A woman who really wants a relationship is often viewed as romantic, hopeful, or someone who just hasn't found the right person yet. A man who really wants a relationship is much more likely to be viewed as needy, unattractive, or having something wrong with him. The reality is that wanting a relationship isn't inherently a bad thing. The problem is when desperation causes some…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 08:21 PM
4	If women are the problem, why do you want them to birth and raise more kids? That doesn't really work because I responded to the argument that was made, not a worldview I supposedly hold. If someone makes a claim and I think the logic is flawed, I don't need to share their worldview to point that out. Anyway, we can end it there, as you just keep responding to me with nonsense, and I’m done with your post. So just move along.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 08:15 PM
3	Why do I see different behaviour btw women here and real life for same statements? Neither. The more likely explanation is that people online often speak in generalizations, while real life is much more nuanced. For example, "women can smell virgins" is usually shorthand for saying that some inexperienced men may come across differently in certain situations. It's obviously not a literal superpower because plenty of women fail to identify virgins correctly all the time. The same thing applies to the other points. When people say "if you're single, it's your fault," they're oft…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 07:59 PM
26	Is inexperience really that unappealing in men? The contradiction is that a lot of women say they want experienced men, socially calibrated men, confident men, and men who understand relationships, while also dismissing how difficult it can be for some men to get that experience in the first place. Experience isn't valuable because it magically teaches a man how to be a decent human being. It's valuable because it provides social proof. If other women wanted him, many women assume there must be a reason. That's why the job comparison gets bro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 07:50 PM
3	If women are the problem, why do you want them to birth and raise more kids? No. The argument was never that women are "the problem." The argument was that women can have flaws, just like men can have flaws. Maybe learn to read what is actually said.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 07:48 PM
1	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness No that isn't what I was saying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 07:46 PM
1	Most people don’t want to be around someone with a victim complex, Yeah but I'm speaking in general.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 07:44 PM
5	Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is Entitlement Yeah but its way more important for it to change on women's end that is moreso the point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 07:43 PM
3	If a woman is not a 8/10 at least she is nobody dreamgirl Yeah, but that's not really something only average or below-average women have to deal with. A lot of men are attracted to variety. A man noticing attractive women doesn't automatically mean he doesn't love his girlfriend or finds her unattractive. Even highly attractive women get cheated on, left, or have partners who notice other women. The flaw in the argument is assuming that if a man notices another attractive woman, then he must not be genuinely attracted to his partner or that she isn't a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 08:39 AM
3	Question for bluepill: why do all the same rules apply to men who want to be stay-at-home dads? Yeah, a lot of that framing is basically women trying to make abundance sound like hardship. Of course some men on apps only want sex. Nobody denies that. The issue is pretending that nearly every man in a massive queue is unserious, unavailable, unattractive, or disqualified. Most men on dating apps are not living like celebrities. They are getting few matches, few dates, and would likely be open to something serious if they met a woman they actually liked. So when a woman has hundreds or thous…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 08:33 AM
5	What red flags in women do men commonly miss? Part of the reason many men gravitated toward RP is that it was willing to discuss topics like this. Whether people agree with every RP claim or not, it at least attempted to identify warning signs and relationship patterns that many men felt nobody else was willing to discuss. A lot of the pushback comes when those red flags are pointed out. Men are often told to choose better, but when discussions start about how to identify bad behavior, poor partner selection, lack of accountability, manipul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 07:04 AM
9	The manosphere thrives because society has failed to provide an alternative. Part of the frustration is that a lot of women seem to define "help" as getting men to agree with their interpretation of men's problems. If men describe their experiences and say, "That's not what happened" or "That advice didn't work," the response is often that the men are wrong, resistant, insecure, or unwilling to improve. Imagine if women described a problem affecting women and men responded by telling them what the real problem was, dismissing their explanations, and insisting they follow…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 06:39 AM
5	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Older women still can get something; they just may not get the best of the best or even the pretty good options, especially if they don’t do the work to take care of their bodies. So yeah, it’s harder and actually requires work in a good number of cases, which only means they have to put forth effort as they age something men always have to do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 06:34 AM
5	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Most men don't typically say their time isn't worth anything. I've heard that before sure but basically everyone values their time. Even if you believe women lose value faster with age, it doesn't follow that a man's time is worth less. Time is a finite resource for everyone. You're also switching from "who should pay for the date" to "who loses more value from aging." Those are different arguments. If a woman chooses to go on a bad date, she spent her time. If a man chooses to go on a bad date,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 06:27 AM
5	The manosphere thrives because society has failed to provide an alternative. Trying to be slick there. I never said they were my problems, so quit being silly. Second, nobody said acknowledgement alone solves anything. The point is that if people won't even acknowledge a problem exists, they're certainly not going to help address it. By your logic, we could dismiss discussion of any issue by saying, "Acknowledging it doesn't solve it." Nobody applies that standard to issues affecting women, so no reason to apply it here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 06:23 AM
6	How do the conversations about women willing to do naughtier things with past partners come up? Sometimes the man asks directly about past relationships, sexual history, exes, fantasies, or things she's done before. Other times the woman volunteers the information herself during conversations about past relationships or sexual experiences. The more important point is that these conversations usually don't become an issue simply because the information came up. They become an issue when the man perceives a difference in desire, effort, or enthusiasm. For example, if he hears, "I did X, Y, a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 05:38 AM
12	How do the conversations about women willing to do naughtier things with past partners come up? Yeah, that can absolutely happen. Sometimes people put in more effort when they feel they have to earn someone's attention. The problem is that if a man's preferences aren't actually being met, the reason why doesn't matter all that much. Whether she wasn't attracted enough, felt she could do less, or just changed over time, the outcome is the same. That's why men should focus less on the explanation and more on finding women whose natural behavior already aligns with what they want in a relatio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 05:17 AM
10	The manosphere thrives because society has failed to provide an alternative. The flaw is that you're assuming the only way women can help is by becoming someone's romantic partner. Nobody is saying women have to date lonely men. The argument is that women can acknowledge the problem exists, stop dismissing it, stop treating every struggling man as morally defective, and stop acting like male loneliness is a joke.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 05:11 AM
8	If women are the problem, why do you want them to birth and raise more kids? No. The flaw in your response is that you're jumping from "women have flaws" to "therefore men should raise all the children." Recognizing that women have weaknesses doesn't mean men automatically become the better parent in every situation. It just means women aren't perfect, which was the original point. You also ignored what I actually said. My argument was that men can recognize problems with women and still understand there aren't many real alternatives if they want relationships, families,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 05:04 AM
2	Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is Entitlement Exactly. You just helped make my point. All of those norms require participation from both sexes to change. Men alone can't decide that women will start proposing more. Men alone can't decide that women will stop caring who pays. Men alone can't decide that casual sex will be viewed differently. The fact that a change would require large-scale cultural shifts doesn't refute my argument. It actually supports it. If both sexes help maintain a norm, then both sexes would have to help change it. The…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 05:00 AM
11	The manosphere thrives because society has failed to provide an alternative. The problem is you're acting as if the only two options are "take women's advice" or "have no solution." A lot of men reject that advice because it often doesn't address the problem they're actually describing. If a man is struggling because he can't get dates, telling him to go to therapy doesn't suddenly create opportunities. Therapy can help some issues, but it isn't a universal solution to every male problem. Also, women don't get to define what help must look like and then declare men unrea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 04:55 AM
5	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness She's giving him her time, and he's giving her his time. That's called a date. You're acting like her time has value while his doesn't. Also, spending your SMV/RMV isn't some sacrifice. If you're on the date, you're there because you think there's something in it for you too. Both people are evaluating each other. As for the "resentful attitude" point, that's just labeling disagreement as a character flaw. A man preferring 50/50 doesn't mean he's resentful any more than a woman preferring the ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/26 04:50 AM
10	If women are the problem, why do you want them to birth and raise more kids? The flaw in the argument is that men can recognize problems with women and still understand there aren't many real alternatives. If most men want families, relationships, sex, and children, then women are still the path to that. Pointing out female flaws doesn't magically create another option for reproduction or family formation. So it isn't inconsistent to say women have issues while still wanting birth rates to recover. Men are basically dealing with the options that exist, not some perfect a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 11:06 PM
2	Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is Entitlement As I already said and actually correct about, men aren't the ones who can change the expectation by themselves. A man who refuses to pay is taking a risk because the expectation still exists and many women still prefer or expect the man to pay. The fact that some men enjoy paying or feel more dominant doing it doesn't change that. There are also women who enjoy being paid for and feel it reflects positively on the man. That's part of why the norm continues. So yes, some men help perpetuate it. I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 10:57 PM
27	The manosphere thrives because society has failed to provide an alternative. Men should help each other, but that doesn’t mean women have no role in the culture they helped shape. Men supported women’s movements, voted for women’s rights, defended women’s issues, and were expected to care about problems that didn’t directly affect them. So it’s not crazy for men to ask women to return some of that concern when men are struggling. Nobody is saying women should date men they don’t want or live with men who hate them. That’s a strawman. The point is that if society expects …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 10:47 PM
5	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness Not necessarily. A man paying for a date doesn't automatically mean he'll be a better partner. It can just mean he's meeting a social expectation that has existed for a long time. There are plenty of men who pay and end up being terrible partners, and plenty who split the bill and end up being great partners. Paying can be a signal of generosity for some people, but it's far from proof of character.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 10:43 PM
11	Men not wanting to pay for the date indicates lack of interest and low aggreeableness That doesn't follow at all. A man not wanting to spend $50-$75 on a stranger says nothing about whether he's financially secure. By that logic, anyone who doesn't hand money to people they just met must be financially insecure. Most people would recognize that's silly. Financial security is about what you have, not how willing you are to spend it on someone you've known for an hour. A financially secure man can still decide a first date should be 50/50. If someone thinks a man is a bad partner b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 10:41 PM
13	The manosphere thrives because society has failed to provide an alternative. The reason RP resonates with so many men is that it starts from realities many men have already experienced. Men are judged heavily on competence, status, confidence, income, social ability, and usefulness whether people want to admit it or not. A man who lacks those things will often receive less respect, less romantic interest, and less sympathy than a woman in a similar position. That's also why a lot of mainstream advice falls flat. Telling a struggling man to "just be vulnerable" or "just g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 10:30 PM
–	Gender relationship are harmed by blank slatism Yeah, women generally don't mind that being said as long as it stays as a standalone observation. The pushback usually starts when it's connected to why men are more desperate for sex, why men pursue more, why men struggle more in dating, or why women are typically more selective. At that point, a lot of women suddenly become much less willing to accept the difference because accepting it can lead to conclusions they don't like about male and female behavior. That's where most of the controversy…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 04:27 PM
–	Do men get crushes on older women? Yeah some men definitely can its just not as common as liking younger ones.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 04:17 PM
–	Are most women actually snubbish/mean to men they find attractive? It can happen, but I wouldn't treat it as common or reliable. Some women, especially younger or more inexperienced ones, may act awkward, avoid eye contact, give short answers, or seem cold around a guy they find attractive because they're nervous or intimidated. That doesn't mean it's the default though. For most grown women, if she's interested, there will usually be some kind of warmth, effort, or openness eventually. If all you're getting is distance, short responses, and avoidance, it's muc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 06:31 AM
7	Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypothetical Yeah that's why I think some sort of protection for the men would have to exist for the idea to work at all. Otherwise you're basically giving someone access to the country with no guarantee they'll continue participating in the arrangement that got them there in the first place. The hard part is creating those protections without creating a system that looks abusive or coercive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 05:24 AM
–	Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is Entitlement Yeah, because men are the ones taking the risk if they don't. Paying is still the long-established gender expectation, and a lot of women still expect or prefer it even today. So while men help keep it going, they're often responding to the reality of the dating market. A man who insists on splitting is taking a bigger risk than a woman who expects him to pay. If women collectively stopped expecting or rewarding it, the norm would change pretty quickly. The reason it hasn't is because the expect…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 04:52 AM
–	Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is Entitlement Yeah, they bring that up so they can pretend they face dating challenges comparable to what men deal with when they really don't. Spending money on makeup and outfits isn't the same thing as having to generate interest, approach, risk rejection, and create opportunities in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 04:47 AM
–	We shouldn't incentive young heterosexuals to have relationships, maybe the opposite That doesn't really address the point. Even if young people desire relationships and children less than previous generations, that doesn't mean the desire is primarily caused by social pressure. Those are two different claims. People can want something less than previous generations and still genuinely want it. The fact that birth rates are falling doesn't prove people are being liberated from an artificial burden. It could just as easily mean economic conditions, housing costs, dating difficult…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 04:21 AM
1	Blue pill ideology give terrible advice for men Yeah, a lot of that advice sounds nice because it lets people act like they gave a helpful answer without actually addressing the problem. Just be yourself only works if yourself is already attractive enough to get results. If a man is struggling, telling him to keep doing what he is already doing is basically telling him to stay stuck. Focus on yourself can also become bad advice if it turns into hiding from the dating market completely. Self-improvement matters, but men still usually have to a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 02:26 AM
–	We shouldn't incentive young heterosexuals to have relationships, maybe the opposite The biggest flaw is assuming young people are avoiding relationships because they're finally free from social pressure. A lot of young people still want relationships, marriage, and families. The problem is increasingly getting and maintaining them, not suddenly deciding they don't matter. You're also treating population decline as if it's purely a climate benefit while ignoring the costs. Every country with collapsing birth rates eventually runs into the same problems: aging populations, labor …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 02:13 AM
2	Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypothetical Not necessarily. A lot of men already have to attract women through things beyond pure physical appearance. Status, income, confidence, personality, lifestyle, social skills, and competence all affect attraction in the real world. So if a man goes somewhere his overall value is viewed more favorably, it's not automatically true that none of the attraction is genuine. Women in different places can have different preferences and prioritize different traits. That said, I do think men should be real…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 01:46 AM
3	Would people view Forrest Gump differently if genders were swapped? No problem thats not a bad thing at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 11:39 PM
2	Would people view Forrest Gump differently if genders were swapped? Damn, you read all that fast or not at all, lol. Anyway, yeah, a lot of women will not freely do that, especially anywhere near their prime. I can kind of see it being done by elderly women living alone with no one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 11:36 PM
3	Would people view Forrest Gump differently if genders were swapped? Yeah, I'd disagree with that. Those stories get talked about online, but that doesn't mean women actually receive more accountability for those choices. A lot of the time the discussion still shifts back to the men involved. The focus becomes what the bad men did, how they manipulated her, misled her, or took advantage of her rather than why she kept choosing the same type of man repeatedly. That's part of why RP gets so vilified in the first place. One of its core ideas is that women have agenc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 11:28 PM
2	Gen Z men should avoid "quick and easy" and impersonal methods for finding themselves a relationship The biggest flaw in this advice is that it assumes the men struggling with dating already have women in their lives with whom they can build these deep emotional connections. If a man already has female friends, active social circles, hobby groups, classmates, coworkers, and regular opportunities to develop attraction naturally, he's often not the guy people are talking about when they discuss men struggling with dating. You're essentially telling men to only fish where fish already exist. The p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 10:52 PM
8	Would people view Forrest Gump differently if genders were swapped? Yes, people would absolutely view it differently if the genders were swapped. Man Jenny would be criticized heavily for leading someone on, using someone as a backup option, and refusing to commit. The focus of the discussion would overwhelmingly be on his behavior. Female Forrest, on the other hand, would likely receive far more sympathy than accountability. Most of the conversation would be about how she was manipulated, used, misled, or taken advantage of rather than why she kept returning to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 10:29 PM
6	Blue Pill/Womans advice makes far more sense if you imply 1 point. Yeah, exactly. A lot of the advice makes more sense if you assume people are viewing dating through a female experience. If a woman is struggling to get any dates, relationships, or attention at all, many people will assume something unusual is going on because opportunities are generally easier to come by. So the advice naturally focuses on mindset, standards, emotional issues, social skills, or other internal factors. For many men, the first challenge is generating opportunities in the first p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 09:58 PM
3	Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypothetical I think the biggest flaw is that you're assuming access equals attraction. A woman may be willing to date a man because he offers access to America, higher income, and a better life. That creates opportunity, but it doesn't automatically create genuine desire. Those are two different things. I also don't think this solves male dating struggles the way you think it does. If a man's problem is lack of options, then sure, it helps. If his problem is wanting a partner who genuinely desires him, then…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 09:47 PM
6	Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypothetical So the men would have to be smart about what kind of arrangement they are actually entering. If it is basically lifestyle, residency, and opportunity doing most of the work, then locking in too seriously long term may be where a lot of them get burned. That does not mean it could never work. It just means the man should not confuse being useful with being desired. A dating visa might create more options, but it would also create a lot of relationships where the main attraction is the life attach…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 09:41 PM
2	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? The answers will probably downplay it, but the honest answer is a lot. Most of the infrastructure that keeps society running is heavily male. Construction, power grids, plumbing, oil, gas, trucking, waste management, military defense, emergency response, mining, heavy industry, and dangerous maintenance work are mostly done by men. That doesn't mean women contribute nothing. It means the idea that society would be better off without men is silly. A lot of people can say that because they live on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 07:49 PM
14	I have a question. Why do men seem to care more about what women do more than women care more about what men do? Part of that is because men and women occupy different roles in dating. Men are still generally expected to approach, pursue, risk rejection, and make the first move. Because of that, men tend to pay more attention to women's relationship status, availability, and dating choices than women pay attention to men's. That doesn't justify every comment, but it does explain why you see more men discussing whether women are single, why they're single, or what choices they're making. Those choices affec…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 07:28 PM
6	Excluding sons, do you have little to no sympathy for men? I think there's some truth to the observation, but you're making a stronger claim than your examples support. Women often do seem to show more sympathy toward children, animals, the elderly, and people who are viewed as vulnerable. Men around their own age are usually judged more on competence, confidence, status, and capability. When those men struggle, the response is often advice, criticism, or solutions rather than sympathy. That doesn't necessarily mean there is no empathy. It may mean thos…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 07:21 PM
–	Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is Entitlement The problem with calling it tradition is that people usually only defend tradition when it benefits them. If equality is the standard, then expecting men to pay simply because they're men is an inequality by definition. It's a financial obligation being placed on one sex and not the other. What's interesting is how often this gets reframed when it's a female-benefiting expectation. Traditional expectations placed on women are usually criticized as outdated, unfair, or sexist. Traditional expecta…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 08:01 AM
7	Q4W: Are there any critiques of feminism that you believe are valid from a woman’s perspective? A fair criticism is that modern feminism often struggles to admit when parts of the movement have gone too far. Some critics do have a point when they say certain feminist spaces dismiss men's issues, excuse double standards, or treat disagreement as misogyny. That doesn't mean every feminist believes that, but it is common enough that people notice it. I also think the sex work point is fair. Calling everything empowerment can become silly when it ignores exploitation, pressure, trauma, and lon…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 07:48 AM
1	Feminists could do well, if they develop humility Yeah, I think that's where a lot of the criticism comes from. A movement can start with good intentions and still drift over time. The problem is that when some people spend more time dismissing men's issues than addressing women's issues, it creates resentment and pushes potential allies away. A movement doesn't have to agree with every complaint men have, but constantly framing men's problems as unimportant or self-inflicted isn't going to win people over. That's also why many people distingui…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 05:54 AM
6	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad You're treating the existence of abusive men in relationships as proof that personality doesn't matter. That doesn't follow. At most, it proves that having a bad personality doesn't always prevent someone from getting into a relationship. Those are two different claims. The same logic would apply to looks. There are unattractive people in relationships too. That wouldn't prove looks don't matter. It would only prove that lacking one desirable trait doesn't automatically remove someone from the d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 05:04 AM
–	I do not believe that dudes being dangerous/aggressive is an excuse for girls to lie to guys or lead them/manipulate them or not give them an explanation: It does matter what the reason is because the reason determines whether someone's behavior is justified or not. You can argue that ghosting, mixed signals, or leading people on is unfair. That's a separate argument from saying every person owes an explanation in every situation. You're also treating loneliness, depression, and misery as if they are caused solely by other people's choices. Rejection hurts, but that doesn't automatically mean the person who rejected you wronged you. As for closure…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:47 AM
11	Can you explain what emasculation feels like? Or is? I think for a lot of men, emasculation is less about ordinary embarrassment and more about feeling like you've failed at being a man in a way that strikes at your identity. If a guy loses a game, makes a mistake at work, or says something silly, that's usually just embarrassment. Emasculation is when the failure gets tied to traits that many men associate with masculinity itself: competence, strength, confidence, leadership, capability, provision, protection, or respect. That's why it can feel m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/26 11:54 PM
1	Do you think straight men would be better or worse at dating than women if they became women? You're just asserting that a man in a woman's body would get murdered immediately, but that doesn't actually follow from anything. Being inexperienced at dating men might mean he makes mistakes, misses signals, or has to learn faster. It doesn't mean instant murder. That's an extreme outcome being treated like the default. Plenty of women make bad dating choices, ignore red flags, or lack experience and still don't end up murdered. So I don't see why this hypothetical man would automatically jum…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/26 11:21 PM