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5

Neckpill confirmed. Imagine having to do neck exercises to be attractive to the opposite sex. "just lift bro"=boring trash. Women really think these men are attractive because of their hair and personality lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 04:28 PM
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There's definitely reasons. I am not super confident in what those reasons are, but I think the need to enforce monogamy against hypergamy is one of them. Feminists will have us believe its just big bad evil men being meanies or something, but when there is a social phenomenon that emerged in almost every civilization of merit across time and space, there ARE systemic reasons that it was successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 02:05 AM
6

EVEN IF you are one of the "good ones," no one intelligent should believe you. It's too easy to sleep around. The world is too big of a place now. Too many women are pathological liars. There is no trust in the system.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 01:51 AM
2

It's definitely a problem, and the problem will increase as automation capabilities increase. What's your solution, give them money and let them reproduce as much as they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 04:45 PM
7

Great. We don't need more people on this planet. Now if only we could get poor/low-IQ women to feel this way instead of primarily middle class liberal women...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 02:25 PM
9

Yeah, fat men get turned down because "I'm just not feeling any chemistry/spark/connection" or "He's just not my type" or whatever other nondescript solipsistic excuse women want to use. Make a tinder with a fat man and a fat woman and watch how the fat man gets <1 match per day and the fat woman gets >10 matches per day. Fat on men is much worse than on women - it's not even enough to be average weight, men have to be lean.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 07:51 PM
5

And social investment generally: i.e. willingness to have children in the first place, to work diligently to earn an income for anything but your own comfort, to enforce social norms that have implications for your family and posterity, to kill and die for a society which encompasses your family and posterity. Maybe that's all a thing of the past, though. Obsolete. We'll just have to wait and see what fruit feminism ultimately bears.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 05:17 PM
2

Masculine and feminine things are roles associated with gender, not gender itself. The equivalence is an idea cooked up by left-wing gender studies departments, and indeed has propagated into left-wing progressive sections of society (such as reddit), but not society broadly. "I am man" means that I am an adult with a cock and balls, not that I have indeterminate genitalia but definitely like sportsball and dislike knitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 08:40 PM
1

So it's unwomanly to wear pants? Is it unmanly not to like sports? This concept of gender is an incoherent leftist idea. At the same time they claim to oppose gender roles, while on the other hand they are defining gender exactly as gender roles. In natural language, gender is exactly a more polite synonym for sex. Ironically with respect to "Y chromosome," the etymology of gender is very much to do with genes From Middle English gendre, gender (see also gendres), from Middle French gendre, genr…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 06:30 PM
14

Obviously only straight White males are capable of making good decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 06:25 PM
2

The end of consequence-free premarital sex and legal advantages for women. You can have a marriage-license or a slut-license and it's illegal to have sex without a license. Divorce and remarriage is possible, though without women's present advantages, and your previous licenses are public record. Now women who want to sleep with a bunch of Chads can do so if they can afford that lifestyle, and betabux have a better chance of finding a woman that needs them and also have reasonable confidence tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 06:17 PM
1

It's incoherent nonsense made up by romantic poets and delusional and solipsistic people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 05:59 PM
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I'm kind of tired of seeing this phrase. Isn't this a Freudian psychological complex where a man doesn't want to fuck his wife because he feels like it's tarnishing her purity? I can't relate to such a feeling, I don't think it's widespread among men, and I think people are grossly misusing this idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 05:54 PM
1

I hate the word "love". It's semantically overloaded and useless, and I think people mostly use it out of obligation. You're expected to profess "love" for certain people, whatever that actually means.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 03:01 PM
5

I'm transparent, it's not something I would hide. I don't feel bad about it. I wouldn't accept a non-virgin, even if it was also with a prostitute (which basically never happens). I rationalize it easily. A woman's N-count imparts value to her. My N-count doesn't impart value to me. No one was lining up to fuck me when it was 0 and no one is lining up to fuck me now. The only way that I will get any is if I continue suffering and building my value through work. Men and women are valuable for dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 02:26 AM
1

Priority weights adjust from looks to $ as women age.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 02:08 AM
6

26M, I expect my wife to have an N-count of 0 because I didn't suffer and work for anything less (more?) than that. My N-count is 1, a prostitute. I don't intend anything for my N-count because average-looking and below-average-looking men don't get to decide their N-count, unless they decide on 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 02:00 AM
2

I most likely never will for the reasons I mentioned and more. I am unlikely to find a woman that meets the criteria I desire, and even if I did, I can't have faith in the long-term prospects of a marriage. Family under feminist society is very much like a ship where the captain has no authority and the crew can leave at any time. Forget about it. Maybe, as suggested by others on this board, I will feign commitment just to "get some," but I've always been uncomfortable with that idea and it will…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 04:02 PM
0

A woman would have to be an accessory to my life, not a partner. I won't compromise my independence ever. I guess my view is like the traditional view: if a family/household is like a ship, the man is the captain of that ship and his authority must be respected by the crew.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 03:41 PM
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Mostly lived with my single mother growing up. She was a bipolar/borderline/whatever else personality disorder type of woman, strident, anti-social, nagging bitchy hag. I think that has made me want to be independent and very wary of LTRs with women. I couldn't tolerate a woman that isn't very submissive. My bluepilled father was twice divorced, so that made me more pessimistic about commitment and adds to my wariness of LTRs. I think you have to be pretty delusional to have faith in commitments…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 03:15 PM
1

Easier to carry her back to the cave. You can also throw her farther.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 08:10 PM
3

Yeah, exactly. According to bluepill intellectuals, however, relationships are more like matching pegs and holes. If you're a square peg, you just have to find the square hole that is "the right one for you." It's a delusional worldview. Be her best option or you will get traded out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 08:04 PM
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It's not immoral in itself but I think it is emblematic of a perverse society that favors women and wants to pretend that female attractiveness doesn't precipitously decline with age. It should be met with laughter and derision like a man that wears lift inserts. Clown face!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 07:47 PM
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It's the response to the bluepill mindset of "the one": "the one that likes you for who you are," "the loyal one," "the good girl," or whatever other lies. The problem isn't her personality traits as an individual, it's her female nature. And accounting for her female nature, the problem is you. The problem is that you're not attractive enough, not successful enough, not dominant enough. Don't waste your time or worry about finding the unicorn that doesn't exist. They're all Like That. Just get …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 07:25 PM
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A chance at an LTR with a fat hag with herpes and multiple psychiatric disorders, probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 04:07 PM
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Your posts are far too based for this board to handle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 08:35 PM
3

Maybe it is irrational, but does it matter? Does the acknowledgement that it is irrational make the feeling go away? Not for me. If I put my finger in your soup and I stir your soup with my finger for a good minute, do you still want to eat it? If you're a normal person, you will probably find it off-putting. In all likelihood, it's just as good to eat. Even if I just washed my hands, or if I didn't, it's probably fine. It's irrational to feel disgust. Is it rational for women to desire big, str…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 07:31 PM
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The whole system/environment we live in makes it difficult to make a good deal. There's no trust. I am the kind of person that wants to say, "Women should leverage their youth and chastity to secure the best man possible," but it is actually difficult to do that in the present environment for a great many reasons. In the first place, chastity isn't even something men can trust a woman to be honest about in the present environment. Even if you are a good girl, no one is likely to believe you and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 07:21 PM
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Some men are well within reason to be happy with what they have. A friend of mine got a young attractive gf, supposedly virginal, to whom he is now engaged. He's happy and I wouldn't say there's any reason he shouldn't be. Of course, he's 6'2", handsome, white, and from a very well-off family. People like him aren't going to be sentenced to a lifetime of misery.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 03:56 PM
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That generalization applies to me but not nearly all men, no. Plenty of "men", if not most, are irredeemable simps that are happy with any scraps they manage to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 03:24 PM
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1) 1 (prostitute); 2) 26/M; 3) 0 and 0; 4) Introvert; 5) Goose egg. Highly unsatisfied, obviously. It never began for me; 6) High openness, neutral/slightly agreeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 03:14 AM
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Interestingly, this aura appears to manifest more in tall and handsome men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 11:13 PM
1

Women know that if their bf/husband likes other men, they can't use sex to control him. He has infinite options just like she does. There are no gay incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 12:08 AM
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Yes, and the presumption is totally wrong. I'm law-abiding and productive without any major defects or health conditions (besides maybe depression), but I couldn't get a Tinder date to save my life. Meanwhile a low-IQ career criminal like Jeremy Meeks is apparently the cream of the crop according to women? No, a "civilization" full of people like Jeremy Meeks would get crushed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 03:56 PM
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It's not deregulated. It's regulated in favor of women. Women's natural economic dependence was one of the pillars supporting traditionalism. While women do have a greater capability for economic independence thanks to the recent explosion in the division of labor, the state goes well beyond that to support them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 02:25 PM
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It really is a struggle to be self-aware and conscientious.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 01:13 PM
2

I was never really bluepilled because of how I grew up (divorce, crazy mother, etc) and how I saw people around me behave, which didn't match the bloop messaging you receive from everyone and the media. I was more like confused. Then I learned how much looks matter and it's just that simple. And yeah, I feel lied to. I might have had a chance if I knew 10-15 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 08:44 PM
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It sure seems that way. Drinking and doing drugs seems like the normal way to meet women. Too bad for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 03:11 AM
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Yeah, I'm a thin guy that's less attractive for the reasons you mentioned (face, height,frame, masculinity), but still white and not bottom of the barrel. I've had three women in the last couple of years show interest in me, and they were all around or over 200lbs. I just can't feel very enthusiastic about such heavy women. (US btw)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/20 04:33 PM
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There is some of that and you can't just say "he should welcome comparison". I'm not nearly as physically attractive as the men that young women have access to and that's just how it is. But I don't think it's the major thing. The major thing is that it would make me feel like an absolute sucker to betabux for a woman that was taking miles of cock while I, for years, was alone, suffering, miserable, and all the while working to "build my value". The thought just triggers a disgust reaction in me…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 09:41 PM
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Apex fallacy as usual. A) They have a hard time getting top men so they perceive dating as difficult, B) They see the top men getting a lot of attention from women and project that onto all men. The experiences of average and below-average men are not noticed by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 05:10 PM
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It's cyclical. They cause each other. And in most cases, I think the fat comes first because parents are not responsible and childhood obesity is high.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 04:47 PM
4

Yeah it's an issue for women and men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 02:26 PM
19

Young women seem to get used and abused by attractive men regularly. It seems like nearly every woman has a story about how she was in an "abusive relationship for 3 years." Women seem to be very medicated, whether it's alcohol or the, what, 40% of women on psychiatric medications? Women are very overweight and fat. Maybe they would be less depressed if they lost weight. Women don't seem to be in a good place financially, in terms of student and consumer debt. Maybe they should learn something m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 12:12 PM
2

This society rewards degenerates.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 02:16 AM
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Because as you said, a woman can get a lot in exchange for a relationship with a beta male. However, the men who say this overestimate two things: 1) the value of a relationship with a beta male to women, 2) the damage to her RMV by aging or being promiscuous. A modern independent woman doesn't need the material goods a beta male can provide as much as she needs fun times and sex with Chad and Brad. Then after she has her fun on the CC, there's still plenty of thirsty beta males on the other sid…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 09:34 PM
2

Because looks is #1
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 06:40 PM
1

No, I have a decent studio apartment in a rather nice area without any pest problems. The shitty apartments are about $700-$750/month. I have a low mileage 2018 car. I have good financial sense. One part of having good financial sense is not living in California unless your income is well above average. Try not living in a shithole like LA or NYC. I have a friend that lives in LA and I keep telling him to move. He'd rather sit on his ass and complain like people ITT while still living with his p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 10:55 PM
0

Only if the successful men are those with wealth rather than physical attractiveness. As long as the men getting screwed are economically unproductive, it's sustainable (if a bit dangerous). I would advise coupling it with legalizing prostitution and setting aside some proportion of women to give the masses some comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:05 PM
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TBH, even a woman being a virgin is doing herself a disservice. If a woman told me she was a virgin, I wouldn't even believe her. Same for low n-count women. I think most men feel the same way. Trust isn't rational in this environment. Frankly, the only way to have confidence a woman is virgin or low n-count is if she is very underage, or maybe if she's a Mormon. Otherwise, I'm pretty much going to assume any adult woman is probably featured in a gangbang porn video somewhere on the internet. Ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 01:44 PM
1

I'll never be good enough for casual sex because I don't have Chad genetics and the party/club lifestyle (alcohol, drugs) is repulsive to me. At least in America. Maybe I am Chad in southeast Asia. Women could be better if they weren't so fat and haven't slept with so many men before me. They could also stop being degenerate alcoholics and drug users. They could do without tattoos. They could be more submissive - no woman in an LTR with me will ever be my "partner"; she would be a complement, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:57 PM
1

No, I live in a major metropolitan area. Rent is about $900/month. That's about $10k per year. I could live even further away for lower rent and still be in the range of good jobs. On an average income, you can afford a modest home (large enough for a family) on the periphery of metro areas and commute to a good job. And anyway, for an average income, your job probably isn't specialized enough to require being in a major metro area. Women just don't want to do it. They don't HAVE TO anymore. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:33 PM
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I'm not good enough for casual sex. Women are not good enough for LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 05:40 AM
1

I'm one person on a below average income and living in my own place. At an average income, you can support a family if you have any financial sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 05:06 AM
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If you look at what the lifestyle was like in 1975, yes, you can absolutely support that on a single income. My father lived in a trailer in the woods. They ate canned tuna and drank powdered milk. They had broadcast television and radio for entertainment. People just have higher standards now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 04:51 AM
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That would be good to do, for sure. However, it's difficult to focus on that when every second thought is about sex and every third thought is about how you're not getting it. Then if you really want to lose focus, you can think about how after you accomplish all these things and become a "winner," you'll just be good enough for other men's leftovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:48 AM
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Your numbers are very off because you took "real median income" as if it was nominal. The first 23,500 -> 32,000 was already adjusted for inflation. So no, they did NOT have 3x the purchasing power. They had about TWO-THIRDS the purchasing power. We are BETTER OFF today than we were in 1975. The are a couple of valid points to make though. First, we need more education in general and education is more expensive. The fact that we need more education for the same types of jobs is also a reason tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 10:08 PM
0

You're right. The women "at my level" are unchaste and weigh a lot more than me. That's not acceptable, so I have to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 09:53 PM
1

Am avoidantcel. You got me
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 02:09 AM
2

Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 12:24 AM
2

So that he has a reliable son-in-law and doesn't have to live with the shame of having raised a cocksleeve for strange men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 11:55 PM
2

Both cringe. How about you marry a decent guy to begin with? Too hard? Can't figure it out? Maybe your father can help. Oh, we're just reinventing patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 11:42 PM
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I tend to use the word "women," but I try to remember to use the word "females" in more left-wing forums just to trigger the libs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 12:59 PM
2

Is it sad that most men are sexually undesirable? Yeah, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 04:41 AM
2

Women do not even broadly support prostitution. They support prostitutes (decriminalization), but not prostitution (legalization). Because, again, they are enemies. They are opposed to men's interests. Yes, I would obviously rather have sex than not. That being said, I hope you understand that I don't mean "gun pointed at her head" "have to". I mean that, because of her limited options, it's to her benefit to be with me. For example, if I went to a poor country, the women there wouldn't literall…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 03:50 AM
2

Yes, we are enemies. Men require sex to be happy. Women won't have sex with unattractive men unless they have to. Women and feminists have worked to create a legal and social environment in which women never have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 02:39 AM
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It's rational for women not to want sex with unattractive men. I don't expect them to want it and they're not stupid or immoral for resisting it. Women have legitimate interests that they ought to defend, but they are opposed to men's interests. It's not about owing or blaming. They're just enemies that oppose my interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 02:15 AM
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It turns into hatred because women are politically and socially antagonistic to our goal of having sex. The whole objective of feminism has been to enable women to live without ever having to fuck unattractive men. When someone politically and socially supports your suffering and misery, they are your enemy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 01:18 AM
1

For my own interests (as a man), I want them in the home. However, I understand that there's more to enjoy in life than that. I don't have a problem with them doing both, and I believe women can do both, but their priorities are backwards. Women have all the time in the world to work, but being a good wife and mother must come first (chronologically).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 02:45 AM
1

Or maybe they don't marry because it isn't a good deal? Most men are blue-pilled, but they're miserable single or with second-, third-, ?th-hand wives/gfs who don't respect them and almost inevitably divorce/break up with them. I can't say that I'm optimistic that most men will become red-pilled, only that it's a certainty if sexlessness continues to rise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 11:06 PM
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No, the conflict is based on these facts: (1) Betas want to have sex with women, but (2) Women only want to have sex with Chads. (3) Women will only have sex with betas if they are forced by social or financial pressure, but (4) That's sexist/misogynist/patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 10:22 PM
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Yes, some proportion of men can't be helped and some proportion of women will be prostitutes. I'm speaking of the bulk of working and productive men who can, in fact, be rewarded with young chaste wives. From the beginning we have been talking about "beta" men, not unemployed bums, the disabled, or otherwise the bottom decile of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 10:01 PM
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Because Reddit is basically a feminist blog.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 08:03 PM
1

There are quite literally enough women for each man, since the proportion of women to men is nearly 1:1, even favoring women because males are more likely to be defective/die. All that's required is enforcing their chastity, i.e. monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 07:49 PM
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"Beta" men are perfectly capable of attracting old leftover women. That much is true. We don't like that, though. We want young chaste women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 05:05 PM
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What are you talking about? It HAS failed. Serial "monogamy" is not monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 04:55 PM
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I never implied that women were forced into slave-marriages with ugly bums. I don't know why you're suggesting that. I said that monogamy and limited women's rights is the norm, which is true. By virtue of monogamy and financial necessity, most women didn't have a choice but to pair off with a "beta," instead of spending her best years hooking up with Chads and serially dating Brads. That's not direct force as you're suggesting, it's force of the circumstances created by the patriarchal legal an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 04:26 PM
1

I would be much happier than in an LTR with Chad's leftovers here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 04:13 PM
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The "normal beta men" are only "decent" and industrious because they think they will be rewarded for it. That's not some innate quality of people. They're sold a promise that you and I both agree they are not actually promised. It's only a matter for them to realize it, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 03:35 PM
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The winning strategy in that chaos is to secure the support of "beta" men in military organization and then to implement social order and monogamy, as has been the case historically. Patriarchy, monogamy, and the oppression of women is the historical norm of successful civilizations. There's nothing fantastical about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 02:35 PM
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Acting like a human being instead of a ravenous beast is not “charity”, it’s how you have to act for other men not to kill you. You do that for your own self-preservation. You're right, of course. That's my point. Women are not going to be charitable and neither are men. Men are willing to risk life and limb to gain sexual access. There is a point at which criminality is a worthwhile enterprise for men. Society has to secure the support of a sufficient number of men to maintain order and safety.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 01:35 PM
0

Morality works when it provides good outcomes to the people who practice it. It's not providing good outcomes for men, so the morality is increasingly going to be disregarded. As it has, for example, among black men in the US. The higher rate of criminality among black men is a reflection of the ineffectiveness of "be a good person and get an honest job" in regards to gaining sexual access. I think the rest of American society will trend in that direction should gynocentrism persist. What am I p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 01:17 PM
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I'm not mystified. I know that women don't want "beta" men and I don't expect them to be charitable. You are the one expecting men to be charitable: well-behaved while sexless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 12:36 PM
0

I don't wonder at all. Women's complaints are valid. It's too bad that we're human, but we are. Men aren't going to accept sexlessness. That's just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 12:28 PM
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No, like a hungry animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 04:58 AM
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So what you're saying is that without pussy, men are going to become so upset that it will cause social unrest and devolve into lawlessness? Yes. It's like telling a carnivore to eat only tofu. It's not going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 04:38 AM
4

I very much agree with this view in principle. Feminism has worked to remove any pressure on young women to get with a man for any reason other than his physical attractiveness. If women were exposed to the natural consequences of their behavior, I think the distribution of sexual activity would be more equitable on men than it currently is. Of course, the problem here is that this is never going to happen. Women will never accept this because they are allergic to responsibility. There's a reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 04:31 AM
4

3. Gynocentric society will march on until it collapses, if it ever does. I don't see any solution other than some unforeseen catastrophic event that fundamentally restructures society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 03:54 AM
1

I don't think tasty food is a luxury, unless we are thinking of very different ideas of tasty. Chicken is tasty, apples are tasty; saltiness, sweetness, umami are tasty. These are really ordinary things to eat and highly available. If you spent a long period of time just eating tasteless (really tasteless) gruel while smelling the aromas of delicious food, I am sure you would be distressed and I am sure you would say it's a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 11:09 PM
3

I'm not sure that it is. I've gone without tasty food and felt craving and discontentment from that, but it's always easy to satisfy since tasty food is readily available. The need for sex is a very serious one for men, but I won't scoff at our need to satisfy taste, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 10:46 PM
4

The modern sedentary lifestyle has made men's bodies less attractive and I think there's some truth to the idea that modern diets are too soft and have made our skulls develop poorly. Most men definitely have areas to improve their looks. That being said, I think the "cosmopolitan" effect has done more than anything to raise women's standards. By that, I mean historically people had much smaller social environments (farm, family, village). Now we are able to instantly communicate with faraway pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 10:26 PM
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You're right if you narrowly define "need" as something that you must have in order not to die. I think we use that word more expansively than that, though, unless we are trying to invalidate someone's needs because they are inconvenient for us to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 09:56 PM
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I think a woman has a high sex drive opportunistically, when her body wants to get pregnant by a certain man. I think a man's sex drive is like that, except at all times and for almost any woman. It's obvious that men desire sex more in general. That's why only women can say "you don't NEED to have sex" with a straight face.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 06:41 PM
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They really shouldn't vote, either, in general. Universal suffrage is a bad political system. Political agents need to have costs/benefits for their decisions that are heavier than their psychological biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 12:36 AM
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You're right that they do get parental rights to the child. However, those rights could be of little or no value to the man. You can read about consideration here. Essentially, agreements are determined to be invalid if there isn't mutual benefit to the parties involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 06:08 PM
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No, they don't consent to provide for a child for 18 yrs in exchange for nothing. It should be obvious that this is such a bad deal that no reasonable person would consent to it. Have you heard of the legal concept of consideration?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 05:44 PM
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Men routinely vote against their self-interest (and against civilization) because we are easily manipulated emotionally by the "women and children" card. Then, even if a large number of men voted properly, we are outnumbered by women. Any correction of our trajectory will take place outside of the currently established political system, if it takes place at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 02:44 PM
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There is exactly 0% chance for either of those policies to gain support enough to be discussed seriously, much less to pass into law. Our civilization is terminally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 02:08 PM
1

Which is a still a win for men, rather than being forced to pay taxes (or child support) to them in exchange for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 12:54 AM
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That's only viable for a small number of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 12:42 AM
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Financial abortion isn't realistic, either. The only realistic thing is more rights and advantages for women. That's our path and there's no changing it until we reach a dead end.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 11:27 PM
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It won't be as long as women vote. You're right that it's unlikely. Men are still far too blue pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 11:14 PM
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Then take away the welfare, too. Then what will they do? They'll have to give sex to a man in exchange for his support, as it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 11:08 PM
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So that women are economically encouraged to stay with the father of their children. It's not right for the father to be responsible for continued provision of the child while the woman isn't responsible for providing continued sexual access to the father. There is just one case in which child support should apply: divorce where the husband is deemed at fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 11:00 PM
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Young, virgin, light weight, obedient / deferential
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 10:44 PM
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No more than 30%, really? Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 07:14 PM
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Yes, because one of the reasons I'm not interested in LTRs is that women are so promiscuous. I don't want leftovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 11:49 PM
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Counter-point: white women fuck dogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 01:34 PM
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No, because then they would not reproduce. Unsuccessful men are evolved to experience stress and try to increase their rank.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 03:59 PM
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everyone is free to live the way they did back then yet people aren't choosing to do so. That's called market failure and that's what strong norms or laws are meant to help prevent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 10:34 PM
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So you are indeed happy to tax and regulate, and you don't care about freedom in principle. Men don't benefit nearly as much from welfare because women want men that are higher income and higher status. Men that want sex and relationships are going to work to become higher income and higher status. What welfare does, on the whole, is make women less needy of relationships with men. You're right that strict monogamy isn't going to happen any time soon. It is actually impossible as long as women c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 03:53 PM
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There are a range of solutions that are acceptable to me. One that is in my view fairly reasonable and equitable is the rule of strict monogamy. People are free to choose their partner, but they can only have one for their lives - premarital sex is not allowed, and divorce is rare (allowed in cases of crime or violation of marital duties). I don't want women to be forced to pretend to like me. I think that women are perfectly capable of liking me in the context of a society where they can only c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 03:06 PM
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No, I'm not going to accept it. I said that it is a critical part of my life satisfaction. Critical. You want women to have it all and for women to be happy. Okay, fine for you. What about me and my happiness? Doesn't it make sense that I should be more concerned about my own happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 12:24 PM
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Physical attractiveness != quality, at least according to FDS (and also according to the needs of civilization).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 12:17 PM
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Obviously. But where is the young chaste woman when that is done? Where is she? Nowhere to be found. Maybe in a different country if I'm lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 03:00 AM
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It's a problem that I'm not worth a damn to women until I've worked for 10-15 years to improve my value, because I was not blessed with genes of attractiveness. Then I am expected to accept low-value leftover women my own age. That's unacceptable to me. I expect a young chaste woman for my years of work and suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 02:52 AM
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Breeding a young female is a critical component of my life satisfaction. If society doesn't offer me that, then something has to change so that it becomes obtainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 02:32 AM
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Then society needs to change
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 02:18 AM
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Sure. I don't want empathy. It isn't useful to me in improving my situation or my happiness. However, having empathy and showing consideration for the needs and well-being of men in society would at least make me hesitate in thinking about radical solutions to our issues. It would at least make me feel bad about the idea of oppressing women. From what I've seen, though, women just don't care about men. They don't care at all. Women pay lip service to men's issues, but our issues are invalid the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 07:29 PM
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Yes, men are more important because 1) I am a man so the well-being of the group I am a member of is naturally more important to me, 2) Men are naturally more productive and suited to do more things than women are so the progress of humanity as a whole is driven by the work of men. For the same reasons, I do believe that men's issues should be put first. Women's utility is 1) to facilitate reproduction, 2) to motivate the work of men. I hope that some day science can replace women with mildly re…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 12:40 AM
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They are less attractive, yes, but still good enough in many ways. The deal-breaking issue is chastity. It's not just that she's not as good-looking, she's also been with other men. A 30 year old woman who has been with 10 or 20 men is not the same as a 30 year old woman who was only yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 12:21 AM
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I don't know what the future holds. All I know is that I will choose what is best for me and my kind (men), and I don't care if women are oppressed or raped. It's unfortunate that we can't all be happy. It seems to be a zero-sum situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 02:24 AM
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Women voting did destroy America
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 12:52 AM
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There are many levels of action that can be taken, and that is on the extreme. As OP noted, however, it's on the table. Ideally, women are simply disempowered and excluded from economic participation, and need a committed relationship to survive in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 12:38 AM
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There is no reason they would do anything else, which is why they must be made to. There is nothing for women to do or help. It is entirely on men to force women to sleep with less attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 08:45 PM
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Remember fellas, it's only OK when Chad does it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 11:59 PM
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If they're so good, why don't they get married first?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 04:16 AM
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They are attracted to the very high percentiles of men. They are not attracted to 80%+ of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:14 AM
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However, each woman's 5% is different Yeah, idk about that one...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 03:02 AM
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Based
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