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The study is that they find 80% of men undesirable, not average or below average. Undesirable means unattractive or not someone they would consider sexually or romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 03:46 AM
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In a way, it does work. I know some women who went through 50/50 relationships and were resentful the whole time. Sure they ended up cheating, but the guy still got consistent companionship despite his gf not being attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 03:44 AM
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It’s as simple as- she’s desperate as well and knows she wouldn’t be able to get a come out of a man anyways. Might as well sleep with him for validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:09 PM
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So a woman is a 9 simply cause she gets lots of likes on Instagram? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 08:43 PM
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Sure. There’s women that men will sweet talk so he can fuck her. But that doesn’t mean she’s attractive. It just means he knows a couple of compliments and $0 will get her into bed. That’s easier and cheaper than dealing with a woman that’s either a pro or a woman that expects a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:45 AM
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This is delusional. “6” and “decently attractive” shouldn’t be in the same sentence. She’s either the type of beautiful woman that can gain status and wealth through her looks (modeling, gaining a huge following online, getting handed good jobs, rich men wanting to be with her) Or she’s average- living an average lifestyle. No successful man wants to be with her. She is not worth a dime (even average men will not treat her to a dinner) There’s no competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 03:37 AM
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You realize it’s women who brag about going 50/50 the most right? At the end of the day, the guys that access them don’t have to pay for anything
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 11:53 PM
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If a man gets his money up and goes to the gym he can also become a chad. You either become a chad or settle for mids that chads would sneer at.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 05:47 PM
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Read OPs title and first post. Then tell me how much is the average woman worth when it comes to dating. Why should a man spend any money on her during the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 01:54 PM
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Ok then why are you talking about curvy hair women when my post was about fat women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:31 AM
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Why would he do that when you just said there are plenty of women who would spot a man $15 and still put out?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:08 PM
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When I say fat, I mean a woman with a belly, arm fat, saggy chest, big chin and cheeks, back fat. There are women with huge boobs hips and ass and they still have skinny arms and a flat belly/muscular back etc. You don’t have to be fat to have curves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:01 PM
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He picked her up and dropped her off. They went to a cocktail lounge in a central location, that’s kind of far from the suburbs that they both live in. Is she supposed to get a free ride? Btw you’re proving OPs point, that it’s easier for a man to date if he has more money.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 08:57 PM
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How was it a sugar situation if the date was going well until she saw he left a $0 tip, and needed gas money? How do you suggest my friend prevent this woman from going to edc in a helicopter? And in the near future, how would he make sure that the women he asks out, have never been on a date where the man can afford to tip the server?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 08:49 PM
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You realize cocktails are around $15 at the cheapest here for a cocktail lounge right? Appetizers too. There’s also tax. He did stay under budget, if the woman was willing to let go of the fact that he didn’t tip or needs gas money from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 08:06 PM
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But that was the only attractive woman he’s gotten a date with, from using multiple apps for months. He doesn’t want a mid or fatty. She’s on a billboard in our city. If you know a woman that’s attractive enough to get chosen for that, and is only with a $80 date budget (no tip) (she has to pay for gas) and will put out since he had to spend $75 on her then show me her instagram.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 08:05 PM
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If you saw how the girl looked like you would know she wouldn’t want to go on a walk. Shes on a billboard here for a nightclub. She just posted herself going to edc with VIP tickets, on a helicopter with possibly another guy. Well the type of women that would go on cheaper dates than him don’t look as good- and could never get chosen for a billboard here because you have to be attractive and really fit. If your solution is that men have to settle for mid women if we aren’t rich, then I can see w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 08:02 PM
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I’ve never seen a good looking man with an overweight woman… Any man with options is not going for an overweight woman, when they could have curvy women (that aren’t fat) and women that are in shape. There’s plenty of models that are under 6’0… look at Victoria’s Secret lol and none of them are fat. Show me one celebrity man that married a fat woman, or a fat woman on Instagram that has more followers than the skinny models on Instagram.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 07:52 PM
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There’s a difference between curvy and fat. You realize a woman can have all of that and a small stomach right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 07:45 PM
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lol no they aren’t. Btw a woman can be skinny but have ass and tits. Somebody doesn’t have to be overweight. I don’t believe you. Show me one fat woman that gets paid more in modeling than one that’s in shape. Show me one rich man that’s married to a fatty, and I’ll show you 10 more that are married to a skinny woman. Btw, some men only go for fat woman because they are perceived to be easy and cheap. Nobody is gonna turn down an easy $0.00 lay, that doesn’t mean you are attractive. Men see you …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 11:24 AM
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He did stick to his budget, he did not spend more than $75. That’s why he didn’t tip, and why he had to make a scene to get some gas money back.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:07 AM
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Because it’s beta to date and marry mid women. You’re going for the women that a man with money wouldn’t even glance at. How is that not beta?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:24 AM
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Not really. You said rich men can be beta… but have you seen the average man’s wife or gf? Committing to a mid woman doesn’t make you an alpha just cause she’s free
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:22 AM
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Yeah but the quality of women is better. I think it’s more beta to commit to an average looking woman, or a woman that wouldn’t be good enough to get a millionaire in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:00 AM
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Are we talking about the stingy ones? Cause I know a guy who works in tech who would mess up his own dating life by only asking girls out on coffee dates. And he was doing this in Miami and LA, so the attractive women that fit his standards would ask him for a dinner date. If he was willing to sugar date, he would be able to get a woman that’s significantly more attractive than the girls that are free.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 08:53 AM
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Yes it is. How many men do you know would choose a fat woman if he had other options?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 07:41 AM
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Because most attractive women will write off a man who can only afford to take her to a taco stand. Or who asks for gas money. My buddy did that because his budget for the date was $80, their bill was $75. He didn’t tip the server and she saw that, when she mentioned it.. he asked her to do the tip and give him gas money. They were having a great date until that point. She never spoke to him again, because he had to plead and argue with her in public to get $15 from her.. since he can not afford…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 07:39 AM
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Men with wealth can never be “betas”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 07:34 AM
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I believe this because I had a buddy that was trying to date this girl he matched with on hinge. They went out for drinks and apps and his budget was $80 their total ended up being around $75 so he didn’t have the room to tip. They were having a great date up until this moment. (Keep in mind I live in a city known for hospitality, so a 0% tip is rare here unless you got terrible service) When she saw it she was like “why not throw $10 on there?” He then proceeded to tell her that the $5 extra wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 07:34 AM
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Women in the western world are generally overweight, or they have small breasts/bum if they are thin. Most Canadian men do not have an attractive gf or wife, she’s usually the type of woman that isn’t good enough to get a millionaire or successful man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 06:04 AM
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Doesn’t matter. The average woman in any country is usually overweight, has small or saggy breasts. Look at the average man’s gf anywhere in the world lmao, and then compare it to a millionaire or celebrity man’s gf in that same country.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 06:01 AM
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If that’s the case then why do most mens gfs not look like her? He’s the average man, but the average man’s gf is significantly fatter.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 05:53 AM
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I agreed with you until the last sentence. Most men could look like this guy, except their gf is 3x bigger and unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 05:52 AM
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They’re not banging attractive men. They are not good enough for one. The reason why men don’t have to pay for them is because they’re mid- doesn’t matter if the man is a 3 or a 10. That doesn’t change her price.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:51 AM
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You want me to believe this when most of them are on here bragging about low maintenance placeholders and cheap tinder dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:32 AM
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You can judge their body and hair though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 12:54 AM
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Why would he be with her if he could be with a supermodel? Are you admitting that men settle more?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:53 PM
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So you’re admitting he’s hotter and can have anyone he wants? What would happen to women if men realized their worth?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:27 PM
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So are they a looksmatch or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:09 PM
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Well the woman has a nice body but she does look over 25 and wears a lot of makeup. How would this mean she’s not for the average man? Especially when men are expected to do all the work in relationships it would make sense for a man to get a woman that’s 1-2 points hotter than himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:08 PM
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There’s entitled women because a lot of men in here keep telling them that they look better than the feminine women who do their hair/makeup and are skinny with big breasts (like the woman in the photo)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:04 PM
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If that’s the case then why do women (that are 3x her size) think they deserve a better man?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:02 PM
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I think it’s just makeup but I think we can both agree the average woman is 3x her size, but they want a 666 man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:01 PM
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<image> Is this a looksmatched couple?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:53 PM
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Why would they be freaking out, overweight chicks don’t last long on sugar apps cause men will see them when they meet up. And most overweight women aren’t sugaring, they’re in 50/50 relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:12 PM
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That’s seeking. You realize men and women can lie about their height, weight, race and income on there because it doesnt require you to verify? Most of the overweight women are on tinder/hinge anyways and sleep with men for free.. not an allowance.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:10 PM
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Those are the women that brag about how they will Netflix and chill with anyone though.. those aren’t the women that men want to sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 10:38 PM
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How much would a cheaper sugar baby cost if you met up with them 4 times a month? It’s still significantly more expensive than just finding a regular woman to be casual with.. especially because you can ask her to pay for her own half on the dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:43 PM
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You have no idea how much a sex worker costs. Let’s say the average guy wants to sleep with his gf 2-5 times a week. Do you know how much a sex worker would charge for that? That would be 8-20 times a month. Most girls charge by the hour, and sugar babies usually want a 4 figure allowance. Why would a man spend that if he can find a woman to go 50/50 with?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:05 AM
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These are also the same women who hate on sex workers, despite acting like free ones. If you agree to have casual sex with a guy without negotiating payment or commitment first then how would that be his fault? You don’t have to sleep with him. You don’t need to have casual sex at all. A lot of women don’t even realize that some men want to hire a pro, but can’t afford it so they will sweet talk to get a fwb/situationship. (Ladies it’s obvious, half of you can’t even get a dinner from him or any…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:58 AM
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Yeah, why would a man pay when 90% of women would sleep with him for free right? Most women are average looking- and definitely look worse than most escorts. There’s a reason why most women can’t get a dime. The problem is you guys trying to require the same things that a hott woman would require in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:12 PM
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Women are the ones here bragging about being free and easy to sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:11 PM
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It’s funny because the average women in this forum would probably call her unattractive and lame for not showing her chest to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 10:06 PM
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Because you don’t know what “free” means. Once you show me a hott woman that any average joe can fuck for $0, then I will believe you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 10:04 PM
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Yes, now imagine being a woman that’s completely free to sleep with. You would be considered lower than those sex workers. Idc. Reality will show you what you’re worth when the men you sleep with never spend a dime on you or commit to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 10:01 PM
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Dude I never said that women don’t enjoy sex. I simply said most aren’t attractive enough to get anything out of it. Nah, there’s plenty of attractive sex workers and women that aren’t “free”. Tell me this- why does the average man’s wife look like that, if it was sooooo easy for us to be with a gorgeous women for free? Most men have to settle. The guys that fuck gorgeous women have no issue spending money on them. How do you not understand this? Just because a woman enjoys sex, does not mean th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:50 PM
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Either average women will require nothing from average men, or they do. If it’s the latter, they are just as transactional as a sex worker. If you are not out of a man’s league there is no reason why it would require money or effort to date you or sleep with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:46 PM
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Admitting your wife is average does not make you a scum bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:45 PM
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Hm so what does this imply about the women that are worth even less than a prosti? Again, I’m not against women sleeping around for free but stop hyping them up to be 10s. A man fucking a woman cause it was easy and cheaper than hiring a professional does not mean she’s the 10 she thinks she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:44 PM
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Don’t believe you, the majority of women don’t get anything. Hence, that’s what being “free” means.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:43 PM
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Is somebody actually paying them? What would this imply about the women who will never get a dime out of their bf? I already told you the majority of women will have to sleep with men for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:42 PM
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I never said they don’t get horny. But they don’t sleep around for free, if it was that easy- any average joe would be able to fuck a 10 by spending nothing. Not even a dime on gas money. I’ll believe you once a janitor can fuck Sofia Vergara by just messaging her on Instagram. Gorgeous women are not as easy or cheap as the women who get 0 attention. Look at the average man’s gf or wife. That’s enough proof that most men can’t get an attractive woman- whether it’s organic or transactional
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:41 PM
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Exactly and reality will show you that 80% of women are not worth enough to charge for sex. Sorry but if they don’t put out for free, no man would ever pay attention to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:35 PM
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Have you seen what the average woman looks like? Lmao there’s a reason why they charge even less than a prosti. A lot of women sleep around for free, won’t get money or a commitment out of it. Men use them for free sex and they think it’s a flex, because it makes them “cooler” than the sugar babies or women that do get something out of sex. You know some men adore the women they sleep with and don’t mind spending money on them right? It’s just that the average woman is not worth all of that.. wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:34 PM
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No, the majority of women can’t charge for sex.. that’s why they are cheap to date and sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:32 PM
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A man you desire can still choose to spoil you lmao, but the problem is most women are not worth that. I saw a woman get a Chanel bag yesterday. But there’s also women that didn’t get a dime or effort yesterday. Not all women are valued equally. Thats why some women get cars as push presents and other women never get a dime/provisions for their child from the man they slept with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:31 PM
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Sure but the men in your life decide your value. Thats why some women got a present yesterday and other women didn’t. Some aren’t worth spending a dime on, so why would OP tell the majority of women to stop sleeping with men for free?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:10 PM
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How is 200 cheap when most women hook up for free as long as the man sweet talks them into a situationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:06 PM
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Most women are average looking so why would a man pay to do anything with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:05 PM
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They definitely do. Look at all the comments of women thinking they’re holier than thou because they hook up casually for free
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:04 PM
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No it’s not lol a lot of women are too average looking to charge for sex. What makes you think a random man would pay a woman for sex, when that same woman can’t get a dime out of her own husband or boyfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:04 PM
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They are sleeping around. The men they sleep with aren’t committing to them or spending a dime. Sure they might like the sex but the point is they are still free and cheap compared to sex workers, because they have lower value than them. You can argue with the men who sleep with them for free. Even if they wanted to charge or ask him to drop off a Starbucks- he wouldn’t because she is not worth that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:49 PM
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I don’t have to click on it. The fact that the average woman has to sleep around for free to compete with other women proves my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:42 PM
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Physically attractive men with good jobs don’t marry women that have $0 value. Literally anyone with $0 can sleep with her. You want me to believe that handsome successful men are with women that are not worth a dime? Why would he choose someone that’s lower than a low end escort? You realize free women are still transactional right? They’re just aware that they are not worth as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:40 PM
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Yes but an average looking woman wouldn’t be able to get a dime in the first place. Why would you pay for her when she’s supposed to be free? Most women are not worth that much- that’s the actual stigma. Most men would definitely pay for a 10/10.. the average wife and gf of a man is a 5. They simply can’t compare to an actual beautiful woman, because they don’t have a drop of value outside of cheap sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:35 PM
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They’re attractive but also worth $0? Just because you think they’re attractive does not mean the men in their life thought they had any value. They weren’t worth any money or effort, that’s why some women have no choice but to be free to date and sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:33 PM
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Attractive women don’t sleep around for free. Other women do, it’s the only way they can compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:23 PM
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Because the real reason why men would refuse to spend a dime is because most women are average looking. Look at the average man’s wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:23 PM
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Yes but the average woman looks worse than most professionals… thats why they have to offer free sex. It’s the only way they can compete. You must have never seen the average man’s wife… it would be unfair if men had to spend money or effort on average looking women. I never said they could be high class escorts, I said most of them are free. They would not even be able to charge $200 a hour.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:05 PM
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Nope. Most women are too average to be expecting a man to pay for full date. Most women are going 50/50. And of course a date is cheaper than a professional, that’s why it’s laughable that women put themselves on a pedestal for sleeping with a man after a coffee date. And then complaining he ghosted her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:57 PM
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But you fail to realize that most women are not worth that much.. so it’s appropriate that their bf does not spend a dime on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:50 PM
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Nope. You’re most likely going for cute women who know they can get a man to spend money on them. There’s plenty of average looking women who can’t get a dime- they’re the ones who will sleep around for free
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:49 PM
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Because you wouldn’t be able to. Average looking women are free so they can compete with attractive women. If attractive women were that easy and cheap to sleep with, do you think any man would even bother with an average woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:48 PM
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A man being willing to sleep with a woman because she’s easy and cheap does not mean he likes her. Why would a man turn down free sex, do you think all men are millionaires that can afford to hire professionals/have sugar babies? Thats my point. Most women aren’t Stacies so how they be able to charge for a casual hookup? Why wouldn’t she do it for free, if that’s the only thing she can offer that a Stacy won’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:47 PM
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That means you’re going for women that are “hypergamous”. You have to go for the type that are in this forum bragging about how they sleep with men for free to prove how sexually liberated they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:39 PM
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You wouldn’t be able to charge. Most women couldn’t. Why should a man spend any money or effort being with an average looking woman, when effort and money is only reserved for attractive women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:37 PM
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Yes but that’s because it’s free.. Average women would not be able to get laid if they started charging, or expected a free dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:36 PM
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Most men can’t afford to. Do you know how much an attractive professional costs in comparison to the average looking woman? Most men simply don’t make enough. We have to settle. Most men’s wives are average looking, it’s delusional to say he is attracted to them. A man fucking you cause it costs $0 and little effort does not mean he finds you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:35 PM
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The supply is definitely not “low” if you consider how many women are willing to give it up for free, that’s the only way average women can compete with attractive women. Stop inflating their egos. Most women are not worth enough to spend any money on, whether it’s for a one night stand or long term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:34 PM
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I doubt it. Most women can’t charge- and they shouldn’t be able to. They’re too average looking. Most men have to settle, whether it’s for a marriage or one night stand. Look at the average man’s wife. Most women should be free to keep around and access. If men wanted to pay, we would be with someone that’s actually worth it. If you’re average looking, the time you spend with a guy should be free and easy. Stop making men jump through hoops or wait for the second date if you know you do not look…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:32 PM
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Not necessarily. Most women are average looking and wouldn’t be able to charge anything.. this is why most women can’t get a dinner date out of her boyfriend. She knows she is not worth that money or hassle.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:27 PM
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So if a man can afford to hire an attractive professional that fits his fantasy, why would he let his average looking wife that he settled for stop that? It’s funny how you women brag so much about being financially independent, but then you lose it at the thought of other beautiful women that are worth spending money on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:25 PM
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Average looking women absolutely do. No man is investing time or money for an average woman. Thats what the op fails to realize. How can a woman stop having sex for free when that’s all she’s worth?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:18 PM
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Most men have an average looking wife. Being settled for because you are cheap and easy to access and keep around does not mean you are our first choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:18 PM
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If that’s the case, then most women are still charging too much. The average woman is average looking. She shouldnt be making a man wait til the second date, and she shouldn’t be expecting him to spend any money on her. If she does then how is she different from an attractive sugar baby who wants a financial allowance?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:11 PM
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If anything, we should criticize her for inflating women’s egos. Most women are average looking and couldn’t be a prostitute in the first place, they have to be free or else men would never glance at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:10 PM
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Most women will do it for a coffee date. That’s all they are worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:09 PM
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Wrong. Most women aren’t attractive enough to be an escort. What the op fails to realize is that most women are average looking so yes they should be free to access. I’m glad more women in this forum are agreeing with this and knowing their place. A lot of you aren’t worth enough to be demanding anything, this includes the women who think men should pay for their coffee dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:08 PM
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So? A lot of women are average looking and not worth much. Your fellow female peers have to fuck for free- or they wouldn’t even get a glance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:07 PM
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This is BS. Most women are average looking so they are already cheap. Men are inflating their egos by making them believe they have the same value as an attractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:06 PM
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That’s because a lot of men don’t have the option to and have to settle for a mid wife to get free sex. Why can’t we be honest to women and stop inflating their egos?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:05 PM
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That’s not necessarily the case. Some women have to have sex for free because they are not attractive enough to get a dime in the first place. There’s plenty of women on onlyfans that love having sex- and men love spoiling them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:05 PM
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Well a tall guy would deserve a fit woman, why would a short man deserve the same as him? Or are you saying that tall men should be with fatties?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:28 PM
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I’ve had women tell me that they feel manipulated if that older man does not provide for them or give them cash. Because they don’t actually want him for his looks. If he was upfront about 50/50, they would have stopped entertaining him. A lot of women want a sugar daddy but don’t want to explicitly say it. They assume you will automatically assume the role if you are older than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:32 AM
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But it’s too expensive to do that for an average looking woman. $40 isn’t bad for drinks and a meal at a sit down restaurant, but $40 is pretty bad for one McDonald’s burger. Most women are not worth that much. Doesn’t matter if you have money or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:39 AM
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That’s my point.. she made it seem like only ugly women in poverty want to date men with resources. Bottle girls make more money than her probably- and they’re not out here choosing for looks. Some of them literally are dating old ass bald men that are paying their bills and bought them a car. Since they have their own money why aren’t they okay with dating a janitor?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 10:47 AM
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This is such a stupid take. A lot of bottle girls in my city make 6 figures and they still won’t date a janitor or unemployed man, even though the average man probably looks better than they do without their makeup. How would you explain this? The women here who drive nice cars still date men that have resources and nice cars themself. They won’t date an average joe, even though she is average herself if you minus the makeup and boob jobs. Making good money as a woman does not turn you into a Vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:47 AM
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Yes but my point is it wouldn’t matter if a man could provide $0 or $1000000. If he has to settle for an average looking woman then he shouldn’t have to spend anything on her
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:27 AM
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I doubt it, unless the nepo girls are the unattractive ones that no successful man would ever glance at twice. You guys have to stop hyping up 50/50 girls. There’s a reason why no man would spend a dime on them in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:40 AM
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They’re not “whores” for simply being attractive, and I’ve seen women who look like that in real life. They’re rare though, which is why I said the average woman shouldn’t expect men to pay for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 09:18 PM
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Women should already be self aware so why would it dry their panties up? Do they really expect men to waste money on women that they have to settle for? If attractive women’s egos weren’t so inflated, and they were willing to date their looksmatch… most men would not have to even settle for an average looking woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 09:17 PM
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False. Most women aren’t “pretty” enough to get away with the “bad behavior” of being worth a first date. My point was we should be honest about why a lot of women should be pulling their weight. It’s not for any of the reasons you listed, it’s simply because it’s not fair for the man to spend money on average looking women. Most women are not worth enough to be doing the things you listed anyways. Thats exactly why the man they’re with right now is not doing it for them. You realize most men ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 09:15 PM
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No, the alternative is only dating women that are worth spending money on. Don’t date women that other men would sneer at or consider “trash” “cheap leftovers” etc. There’s a reason why she’s used to paying her own- no man has ever thought she was worth it. If you’re the first guy- then you probably have to clean your eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 09:12 PM
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She’s fine paying because she’s used to men not wanting to pay for her. It’s not her choice to go 50/50- the man was gonna make her do it anyways, because she is not worth the meal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 09:09 PM
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Nope, this is why women are delusional. What a man does for you for the first date has nothing to do with him, but has everything to do with THE woman’s value. The “fresh” thing doesn’t make sense. A man meeting you for the first time does not increase your value to the point where you would be worth more than a $5 coffee. Any “50/50” woman is like that for a reason- most men have already decided her value in the dating market. Her value is low, which is why she can’t expect to get a cocktail or…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:48 PM
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You can say that all you want but there’s a reason why some women never get spoiled or provided for, the men they date or marry simply think they are worth $0. 50/50 aren’t “bought” because they are free. But we should at least be honest and admit why they are so easy to access compared to beautiful women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:19 PM
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I disagree. The women you think are not worth it are probably below average or average looking. Again, that’s not the type of woman that any man should be trying to date in the first place. You guys pump up their egos by validating them with a relationship. If a woman isn’t beautiful enough to attract men that would think she’s worth more than $0- then she isn’t marriage/dating material. Thats a woman that any man can access, including homeless ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:16 PM
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Nope. He says he doesn’t pay for dates which means he’s dealing with 50/50 women. 50/50 women aren’t as attractive or desirable as their other female peers- which is exactly why men refuse to spend any money on them. It’s a double edged sword, yes they are easy to get with but you pay for that with their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:14 PM
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What quality of women do you get with the 50/50 thing? Because I do agree the average man’s gf is just mid and not worth more than $5… but most men should not be bragging about cuffing that type of woman. Thats called settling and simping. It’s a double edged sword. It’s true that most women aren’t attractive enough to spend any money on… (they’re used to this because most men don’t find them attractive) but the thing is they’re not the type youactually date and introduce to your family and frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:11 PM
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No it’s not. Why can’t men acknowledge that most of their gfs are mid? If she can’t attract a millionaire she’s a mid. She can’t compete in miss universe- she’s a mid. Reality will show you she’s mid with an average lifestyle. So why would any man spend more than $5 on her?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:59 PM
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No, it’s more like because that woman is not worth any time or money in the first place. I’ve seen most of the women that average joes marry. She’s not worth more than $5. Men complain about simps, and then go out and spend $500 or more on a mid woman’s engagement ring. It’s hypocritical. You can’t complain about women’s egos but then you are dating one that can’t even compete in miss universe. Coffee dates are simply about what a woman’s worth. Attractive ones can get something better. But most…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:57 PM
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I don’t have to. The men that you guys date will show you by being stingy with his resources, meanwhile he would have no problem spoiling someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:53 PM
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What? No I’m blue pill. The thing is with red pilled men is that they do not want average looking women, which is why they improve themselves and try to get better. And I believe that a mid woman can only be “mid” if it’s objective, it’s not enough if 2000 men would ignore her, but 5000 would buy her a drink and ask for her number. It needs to be a woman that is ignored by the majority of men. Most men aren’t picking to hookup with a 39 year old woman when other women exist. Men rather pay for y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:28 AM
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What do you think a “mid” woman is? I’m talking about objectively, where 90% of men think so. Sorry but I’ve seen overweight, average looking 39 year old women who don’t have that many options. She would be the average joes looksmatch. Your looksmatch is not a woman that is technically able to do better than you. It has to be a woman that can’t attract a better man.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 06:18 AM
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It’s true though. If they were hypergamous then how do so many of them get used for free sex? Why is it so easy to meet up with a stranger on tinder, all you have to do is offer a cup of coffee… make them pay for it themselves and they’ll still come over after and hook up. Actual hypergamous women would expect a man to pay for a real date and to “prove” himself. You can just randomly message them and expect them to clear their schedule for a cup of coffee(that they have to pay for).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:13 AM
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Yeah, she’ll lose the man to somebody else. She doesn’t have as many options so she actually has more to lose by making the guy wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:53 AM
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Fluffy women prefer fluffy men. Fit women prefer fit men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:49 AM
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It depends, he was probably going to make you pay your half. My point was- when a man is expected to pay for dates… a woman shouldn’t expect anything over $5 if she is average looking. This also goes for girlfriends, most women simply don’t look good enough for a man to waste $50 on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:46 AM
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Most women are not smart enough to practice hypergamy. Or they’re simply not attractive enough to have the option to choose between an average joe and a handsome man. Mid women shouldn’t require the same amount of resources/time/effort that an attractive woman does… meaning that you should accept coffee dates or walk in the park dates if you know your appearance is not top tier. It would be a waste of money for the man. Mid women shouldn’t require the same things in a long term relationship eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:44 AM
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Yes but the reason is because most women aren’t worth a dinner. Anything over $5 should be reserved for attractive women. It’s funny how women always frame it as they prefer coffee. Maybe you do prefer coffee but that isn’t the reason why men want to only do that with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:36 AM
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Then show me a natural woman that has bigger, perkier tits than her and a smaller belly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 01:03 AM
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You don’t know what “mid” means then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:07 PM
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Women that have youth are not AVERAGE. So it makes sense that they wouldn’t want an average man. Actual average women have no positive attributes, so they are always of an average age. (Middle aged, not young) Average women are not supposed to be young, smart, pretty or in shape…. Average women are simply average. They become the average joes looksmatch once she loses her youth, good looks and fit body.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:56 PM
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Yes but the average joes looksmatch is not a woman that has youth or beauty or anything. It would be an average, plain insignificant woman that is burned out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:44 PM
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Yeah this would mean that most men wouldn’t exist, cause their moms would not have qualified for their dads. It also means that IF their dads weren’t a simp and left an average woman- most men would have to grow up without a dad since their moms are very very average looking, and shouldn’t have been able to keep a man (unless he’s a simp)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:39 PM
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No it’s not. Some women have a lot of options because a collective of men decided to go for them, possibly offering them free food and even money. This gives those women more things to filter out. For supply and demand- most women wouldn’t have options if men only went for their looksmatch…. And your looksmatch is a woman that wouldn’t be able to do better than you. She either says yes to you or stays single forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:38 PM
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Most men wouldn’t even exist if their fathers only went for above average women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:35 PM
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It won’t happen cause men aren’t gonna go sexless just because a woman is average looking. Most men wouldn’t even exist because their moms were also average looking
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:34 PM
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They are apart of the dating pool. A lot of women hide it. You are inflating her wallet. Men should be seeking out free sex, you realize most men are not rich enough to pay for sex every time they get horny right? Most women are going 50/50, so a man can’t bring finances to a relationship… the escorts are benefitting hundreds from you in exchange, for something that would be free if you and the escort were looksmatched
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:49 PM
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This won’t work because simps simp for a chance at getting sex. They rather get sex and get called a simp than to not simp and lose out on sex
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:46 PM
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Right. This is the only way a man can sleep and date around for essentially $0.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:43 PM
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Most women are going 50/50… And most men in this forum are not paying for dates. Thats a Disney fantasy that the women on here keep trying to push on us, to shame us into paying
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:42 PM
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Turning to sex workers inflates their egos and wallets. You know this right? Also a lot of women sugar on the side in secret, the women you’re trying to date might have inflated standards because she already is taking some men’s money on the side. And why would a man want to pay hundreds for sex when most don’t even want to pay $20 for a first date? If you sleep with cheaper, less attractive escorts you will inflate her ego. If you sleep with the top escorts, you will be spending over $1000.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:42 PM
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Most women aren’t doing that though. Look at this forum. So many of know they’re mid and are going 50/50 and will clear their schedules for a last minute coffee date for any man. If anything, it’s men who are inflating egos by constantly competing for the small % of attractive women, those are the women that can reject an average joe to go out and hook up with a chad. Chads aren’t sleeping with average women, they literally sneer at them. Go for the women that Chad would sneer at.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:38 PM
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Most women are not attractive enough to be “compensated” for their looks. Men can’t complain about women’s “unrealistic” standards if you are contributing to hoeflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:12 PM
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He said he likes “mid” women.. how are mid women attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:08 PM
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Well this is why unattractive women have overinflated egos. Men should not be validating them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:53 PM
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Because men can sugar date.. when you sugar date you can get a new gf or casual fling any time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:41 PM
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no, men do not prefer mid women. Men prefer beautiful women with feminine figures. <image> You guys are always getting men to lower their standards into settling. It’s called “hoeflation”.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:40 PM
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It’s a actually fit chicks with <image> big feminine breasts that prefer the right Women with masculine figures (smaller chest) prefer men with feminine figures (belly fat like the left)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:38 PM
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No. It’s like comparing a woman with belly fat and a saggy or smaller chest to a woman with huge perky breasts and no waist/belly at all. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:36 PM
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Well for some women, money doesn’t matter cause they have always went 50/50 and no man is gonna spend on dime on them either way.. A woman liking a skinny fat man is similar to when a man likes a woman that doesn’t have huge perky breasts, small waist, big bum combo.. have you seen the average man’s gf because her chest is either small or it’s big but saggy.. in my opinion, if your gfs breasts don’t look fake or people don’t assume they’re fake then it means it’s not big and perky enough to be c…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:35 PM
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It is necessary to have a lot of options or else men will inflate the woman they’re with. Look at the average man’s wife- she’s no Sofia Vergara yet their egos are pumped up since men validate them with a relationship. Men shouldn’t be giving commitment to women that wouldn’t have a chance in becoming a celebrity or supermodel.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:42 PM
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That’s not a good thing. Average men still deserve a woman that isn’t an eyesore/leftover that no other man would want. How many men would qualify as “successful”? Thats my point. The attractive women will choose successful men over average joes- which would leave average joes with the rejects.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:38 PM
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Because you said that they can’t afford the lifestyle… wtf kind of lifestyle are you implying that average women would deserve? It doesn’t matter if a woman is successful or not. She won’t get a successful man if she’s not in top % of attractiveness. Men are not intimidated- they are just not attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:27 PM
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Most women in general go 50/50. They don’t have the option to practice hypergamy if they are average looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:02 PM
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If you’re going for the top 33%, then you should easily be able to get laid for free.. or $10 coffee date max. Most women (90-95%) are not attractive or desirable enough to practice hypergamy. If they did they simply would never be able to go on a date or get laid, or even meet somebody off the app. A 5 man doesn’t have to drop cash to date a 6 or 7… he would have to drop cash to date somebody like Miss Universe, Kylie Jenner, Sofia Vergara… not random nobodies. If you’re a non celeb man only wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:48 PM
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Honestly this is why I laugh when a man brags about his gf being 50/50 or low maintenance.. he doesn’t realize that she’s cheap to access because she is not cute looking enough to get a dime out of a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:43 PM
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No they don’t. If you look at the average man’s wife you’ll see she’s none of these things: young, fit, beautiful. She’s insignificant and plain- something a successful or gainfully employed man would sneer at.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:39 PM
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Sorry but I don’t believe this. Even if you’re an above average man that does not mean you are looksmatched with the top 1% of women.. you would have to be top1% yourself. If you’re willing to fuck an average woman, it would be free or at most $15 for a coffee date. Paying $15 once, to be able to fuck someone over and over is more realistic than it is for the average man to pay $300-1500 an encounter. There are Splenda babies. Most average men don’t even want to fuck those. They want to fuck the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:15 AM
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But a lot of guys are already turned off by the $100 fee, or the idea of paying for a $150 dinner date. So how would they be able to hire an escort? Thats obvious to everyone except for the delusional 50/50 women and men. However if you’re an unattractive guy you should be okay with guaranteed free sex with an average woman. No, average women are willing to fuck anyone. Not just Chads. Hypergamous average women are not the same as regular average women, because the hypergamous women usually tend…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:54 AM
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So why did you ask me what planet do they exist on?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:31 AM
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No. You can easily date a woman that nobody else wants. If you want to go for women that every other man is going for, then you have to be prepared to compete again 10-100 guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:31 AM
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That’s my point. Most men won’t be able to afford to hire an escort even if it was legalized. Plus why would you do that when plenty of women are on hinge looking for casual hook ups and are willing to do it for free?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:29 AM
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There’s plenty in this forum that brag about how 50/50 and easy they are to please Take a 50/50 chick out to a coffee date, she will sleep with you just to prove she isn’t “high maintenance” or “prudish” like the other girls
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:26 PM
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You know 0 beautiful, high maintenance women? Lmao please show me a hott, fit but tastefully curvy, young Cuban, Colombian or Ukrainian woman that would date a 50/50 man. Don’t use an example of a woman that is average looking.. men don’t prefer average looking women. They are settled for. The women that have a ton of options due to being more beautiful than the average woman aren’t the ones that are willing to go 50/50 with an average joe. This is why the average man’s wife usually has belly fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:24 PM
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If he is settling for her, then I don’t believe he has to meet any of her financial/lifestyle/physical standards… because she has already failed to meet his. If you ask most men, the body type and facial features they want are often not found on their current partner. It’s usually found on women, that are out of reach for them.. because beautiful women usually have more options and they can be spoiled by any man. It’s harder to impress a woman that has received “princess” treatment by her former…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:18 PM
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Or they can just date a 50/50 woman and still get consistent intimacy and companionship, which is something that all men need.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:04 PM
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Nope. I guess this reply means you’re admitting that you still expect your husband to spend money on you. All you guys do is virtue signal about going 50/50, when it’s not actually 50/50 if he has to buy you presents or give you a free dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:03 PM
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Yes.. cause some of them still have to waste money on a woman that’s not worth it. You realize most women go berserk if you refuse to buy them any birthday/christmas/anniversary presents right? Or they get mad if you decide to spend your money on dancers, despite them being more attractive than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:02 PM
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It doesn’t matter because most women are not deserving to have any money spent on them in the first place. I hope you have never made your husband cover a dinner bill, or use his own money to buy you a present. Women should also be paying their husbands back for the money he spent on the engagement ring and etc. Because if you have, then you’re in the same boat as these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:00 PM
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Most men already do settle.. which is exactly why most women have to go 50/50. Men wouldn’t mind providing if our gf or wife matched our physical expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:58 PM
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This would imply that women aren’t actually okay with 50/50. 50/50 is financial 50/50. You shouldn’t slack on the chores or gain weight just because you are also working full time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:57 PM
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Well in most relationships, men prefer to date younger. Why would a 40 year old man and 25 year old woman be making the same amount of money?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:54 PM
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Sure. Most men want a beautiful, young woman that’s fit with huge perky breasts and no stretchmarks. Those women usually don’t go 50/50 because they have options. You’re forgetting to mention that it’s only fair that women pull their own weight, cause the majority of men will have to settle. The average man’s wife does not live up to his physical standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:51 PM
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You can say the same about 50/50 women, who still do the majority of the cleaning and cooking. They rather go 50/50 and still be the homemaker instead of being single. If anything this should prove to you that men are the prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:48 PM
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A successful man should be with a beautiful young woman. An average man should be with an average woman (she can’t be thin, or young, or beautiful). She’s just plain and insignificant
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:39 PM
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Dating is cheaper than onlyfans/sugaring etc because most women split the bill, and put out. Which onlyfans woman will sleep with you after you refuse to pay for her drink? Most long term girlfriends don’t even expect their boyfriends to cover the bill. They know deep down that they are not worth that much to him. You probably just go for hypergamous women, instead of independent 50/50 low maintenance types.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:11 PM
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My point is the girls on onlyfans actually make money, and they just post content. Men are paying for it. Whereas the average woman will never get a dime from the men she actually fucks, dates, etc. The average woman simply is not worth the $5-100 that men spend on subscriptions and customized videos.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:32 PM
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Men still spend more money on onlyfans than they do on relationships with average looking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:27 PM
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Wouldn’t this mean that young women will avoid broke/short men for tall/rich ones (if that’s her preference) by a landslide?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:44 AM
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The men you get involved with do though.. which is why some women are spoiled and given a lot of effort and resources while other women have to go 50/50 or they would be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 01:23 AM
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So you admit most women are not worth providing for at all? Not even a free dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 12:18 AM
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How are 50/50 women getting the $$$? They’re paying because they know deep down that man would not ever treat her to dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 11:19 PM
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Ok then you’re proving my point that women are virtue signaling when they say women and men are the exact same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 11:16 PM
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This is proof that men would choose parasocial transactional relationships over 50/50 ones with average women. Yet you guys think you are girl bosses by splitting the bill
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 10:03 PM
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So the less attractive a guy is, the more he will believe that hott women are looking for him to flirt and chat with? Thats insanely delusional. Thats like a fat ugly woman who receives no attention in real life or online thinking that modeling agencies want to sign her. No, I don’t see how it can be fraud because most men have eyes. Look at the average man’s wife- that is proof enough that most men are not tall or rich enough to have random hot chicks online wanting to chat with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 09:14 PM
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It should be common sense that a top model does not want to chat with an average joe. Go out and see for yourself- how many attractive women are walking around looking to flirt with average looking men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 08:40 PM
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Why should a man have to spend any money on a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 08:33 PM
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Sophie has millions of clicks, and a small waist… The chick you sent me has 10+ posts on YouTube… but most of them had less than 100 views. She wouldn’t be able to make money. She already shows her body and barely gets clicks and attention. Yeah it’s easy to say that when most women don’t have the option of making a dime anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 08:32 PM
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This is similar to sugaring. The young women you see either 60 year old men or fat bald men are not with them because they’re hott chads. Even the sugar daddies themselves know this. The girls on onlyfans are there to make money, they hire chatters to keep up with demand… it’s the same way you would hire a waiter at your restaurant instead of doing everything yourself… Do you go into restaurants thinking the owner wants to serve you for free or do you think they have a restaurant to make money? …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 08:27 PM
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You proved my point. Come back with a woman that has full lips. Large breasts WITHOUT the wide waist and belly fat. How would that woman make money when she’s competing against slim thick latinas with full lips and women like Sophie rain?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 08:20 PM
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The sex industry is mostly women. Tell me this- how come the day clubs in Vegas only hire women as bottle girls and model bartenders? How come most sugar babies are women? Why are most IG models women and not men? If women are going to act like they are independent men, then you guys shouldn’t do anything that is biased towards your gender. This would mean all you “independent” women should be the ones asking and paying for dates, and also being the ones who propose.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 08:16 PM
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She can choose another way to earn income- one that doesn’t highlight her femininity or her looks. If women are going to claim that they are the same as men- then they should enter the same industries that men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 08:03 PM
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Yes, they’re basically doing what onlyfans girls do for free. Probably because they are not attractive enough to sell the content, so they have to send it out for free to boost their egos.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 08:00 PM
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If women claim to be independent then yes men are going to expect free content.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:32 PM
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You realize the ones who don’t have onlyfans usually send it to a bunch of guys they just met on hinge for free anyways? The nudes you guys send out to hinge guys gets shared to group chats and discord groups. Just so you know
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:32 PM
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Yes and a lot of men don’t like the fact that pornstars are acting and get paid per video. We are told that it should be free and that the woman enjoys giving us free content
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:31 PM
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Because it costs money.. do you think a man would be mad if a woman sent him pictures and videos?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:54 PM
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Most men in this forum aren’t willing to pay for it. There’s sugar dating available yet most men complain about the $100 fee to sign up for a monthly membership
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 09:04 AM
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Most men aren’t willing to cause the average woman is willing to fuck for $0.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:21 PM
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Nobody said you had to be. Most average women are free to fuck. When I say free, I mean effort and cost. With escorts, you actually have to pay and follow rules (use protection etc and some have rules like no kissing) Sugar dating is pay to play.. you don’t have to pretend to be interested, you just have to give an allowance. Most men can’t afford it or won’t spend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:18 PM
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There already is sugar dating where no woman is exploited. The simple fact is most men can’t afford it or refuse to pay. Most men in this forum won’t spend $20 on a first date, and you somehow believe they will spend $500-1000 to hook up with a woman out of their league. To do this 4 times a month, you would have to spend $2000 and always use protection. Whereas in casual hookup scene, you can fuck somebody for $0 with no protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:11 PM
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Okay, even if you just want a hookup.. what are the odds that it’ll be with an IG model? Like I said, plenty of average 50/50 women also just want to fuck someone. Not a relationship. And it’ll cost $0. Most IG models won’t fuck or have a relationship with most average joes. You will be competing with the top % of men. The average man can’t afford to compete with millionaires, or be able to pay to play
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:06 PM
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Stop going for IG models who have millionaires and sugar daddies (and doesn’t even follow you back on instagram or have your phone number) and go for average women that go 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:04 PM
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You don’t have to. A lot of women are just like men- horny and wanting to fck anything that has a pulse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 08:46 PM
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Yeah it’s more fun because the girls on tinder are free… escorts charge you money. Regular girls pay for their own meals. That’s the actual reason why. And yes there’s usually a huge difference in looks- there’s a reason why it’s free. Most single women on tinder wouldn’t be able to get a dime out of a man in the first place. If you look at the average man’s wife- it’s an average woman that is not worth much in the dating market. Most men go for the bottom of the barrel to save money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:31 PM
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It’s not “crap”. Men will still search for casual dating with normal women because it’s significantly cheaper. Thats the real reason why One of the biggest complaints in this forum is that normal women are too average looking. Sex workers and sugar babies usually look better, any man that can afford them always say they’re the better option. But normal women that go 50/50 basically don’t cost a dime to sleep with…. That’s the only reason why men put up with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:50 PM
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But there’s sugar dating and it’s pretty normalized where I live. It’s pretty much pay to play. Most of the guys in this forum have said they wouldn’t pay $50 for a first date.. what makes you think they can afford one hour with an escort that’s out of their league? Escorts use protection. There’s average looking women that go 50/50 and still sleep with you afterwards.. why would an average salary man pay for escorts when dating average women is more in his budget?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:48 PM
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If most men were that successful, they would have plenty of women chasing them instead. Again, $2000 is a lot compared to $0. Most women will split the bill and still sleep with the man afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:09 PM
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Those are the lower end girls. Why would they do $300-500 for overnight, when there’s men willing to pay more? You are seeking out lower end workers if she lacks high end clientele, which is fine but stop overflating their looks. Where I live, female bartenders in strip clubs can make more than $500 a night.. so yeah the women who would fail an audition to get into a bottle girl/bartender position would have to price herself cheap, to compete with higher end girls. Even then, a lower end escort …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:06 PM
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Which means they’re not going for women in their league. If an average joe wants to compete with a chad for the rest of his life- then we can’t blame the overweight, unattractive women that try to compete with fit, beautiful women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:40 PM
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Low value women aren’t getting a dime out of men, whether it’s for a casual hookup or in a long term relationship. Men and women see this differently. But it’s actually the 50/50 women that have less “worth”, which is why the men who date them refuse to pay anything for them. Average looking women need to carry their own weight in relationships, and hook ups.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 09:01 AM
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The hotter ones are more than $300 a hour. 300 is actually very low end, unless you’re only getting a massage or it’s 15 minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 08:57 AM
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You don’t have to treat average looking women to nice things. That’s reserved for attractive women that can actually date millionaires and celebrities. If you’re a regular woman you are doing yourself a disservice by expecting men to treat you the same way that the top 10% of women are treated.. that’s what I mean by they are worth less (in comparison to other female peers). See that’s why women have inflated expectations that don’t match their worth. Why should a man have to buy a drink or two …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:14 AM
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The standard expectation of a date is that it’s supposed to be 50/50.. and if it’s a good man, the woman is supposed to appreciate that and go back to his place after.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:10 AM
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Most relationships are 50/50 so how is it not cheaper than an escort?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:09 AM
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Dude there already are girls that are pay to play- so tell me why onlyfans hasn’t crashed yet. Some girls on onlyfans also do meet ups.. men CAN pay for a meet up, or sign up for a sugar dating app (where it’s basically pay to play) But why would they do that if they can go on tinder/bumble/hinge where the women will go 50/50 and will most likely sleep with you on the first or second meet? Do the math. A lot of sugar dating apps cost $100 a month, or it costs to unlock messages. Meet ups cost $.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:25 AM
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There are already plenty of women that have a “price”, from bottle girls to dancers to onlyfans girls to sugar babies.. men can already be negotiating. I’ve seen a lot of women on instagram and tiktok say that they only date providers. Most men don’t want to take on a role where they have to spend money. They want to the woman they’re hooking up with to carry their own weight. Most men won’t be paying an escort $500, when most are not even willing to pay $50 for a first date that will lead to se…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 12:30 AM
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And a woman can get her own job and pay for own things instead of expecting her bf or husband to, and he shouldn’t have to buy her any gifts
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 08:34 PM
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How many relationships are sexless? Whats the percentage? You can also say women are dating for free meals if they refuse to split the bill and be intimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 08:24 PM
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Plenty of men take escorts out for dates too lol… they get paid by the hour. Some girls get paid for 3 hours.. includes dinner and intimacy. The point is if you’re a regular girl you should be okay with going to dinner and having intimacy, but the bill is split. And you realize men also think a date ended badly if there’s no sex right? So tell me again why should a man have to pay for a date if the woman isn’t gonna provide what an escort will, but she won’t split the bill.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 08:21 PM
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Sugar dating is already legal and it’s almost the same. Plenty of men hire girls in vegas and Miami…. Through instagram. It’s not as uncommon as you think.. the price that it goes down to does not and will not ever compare to the average non sexworker woman being free. It will never be as cheap. If it was, most men would stop wasting their time on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:49 PM
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If you’re not lying then show me 5 supermodels that are dating an unattractive, broke man right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:29 PM
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How are you manipulating them if they just assume every man wants a relationship with them, by default? Lmao men can tell women they’re only looking for something casual, or a booty call and somehow these women will agree cause she thinks she’s special enough to change him and get marriage instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:28 PM
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You are not manipulating them.. they are simply assuming because they think a man wanting to sleep with them = he wants to marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:25 PM
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You don’t have to “dangle” it. A lot of them will just assume it, which is why they sleep with men so easily. It’s a scam paying $500, if you could simply just split the bill and still get laid. Stop going for 32DD-24-36 instagram models that look like Kylie Jenner. Go for the type of woman that works in HR and has b cups and stretchmarks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:23 PM
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His point is- what’s the point of taking an average looking woman out if it’s gonna cost money? In that case, he can get a good looking sugar baby. The point is it shouldn’t cost the same to date a 5 and a 10. But he’s probably one of those men that only goes for cute girls, cause the average woman is definitely going 50/50 since she knows most men would not spend a dime on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:22 PM
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Do you have proof of this? How would they be able to get the man to pay for her dinner, if she doesn’t have the leverage to ask this of him? Again, most dinners will still cost less than an escort. Most men would rather pay $76 at Cheesecake Factory to get laid instead of $500..
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:20 PM
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It would still cost nothing if you go 50/50 on 100 dates… and most women will put out in hopes of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:18 PM
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Because you are virtue signaling. If women don’t care about a man’s appearance then why doesn’t the 5’5, fat, bald unemployed man have a beautiful girlfriend? If a beautiful woman is gonna expect me to pay for dinner… and then an average woman expects the same then how is that fair for men? Shouldn’t average women be significantly cheaper than beautiful women? Especially if they aren’t “shallow”, then it shouldn’t matter if a guy asked you to a parked car date for the first date or to Dunkin’ Do…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:16 PM
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They are.. I’m talking about average women. Not the IG models who expect fancy dinner dates just for being pretty. 50/50 is the norm.. most women aren’t pretty enough to have a sugar daddy or provider man so what makes you think someone has to buy them a dinner for the first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:14 PM
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Spending $30 to get laid, and possibly getting into a situationship (where you will have consistent access to sex and you won’t even have to commit) is not a shit time. If a man wants to get laid once a week, then he’s gonna have to spend $500 x 4. Instead of $30 once.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:12 PM
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This post is about escorts and hook ups. It doesn’t matter if she wants the famous rockstar, an average joe can still sleep with her for $0 or at most.. a cup of coffee.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:06 PM
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Most dates are 50/50… how is the average man gonna pay $500 for an escort, when it’s cheaper to go on a date and get laid? Even if it’s not 50/50, you can take her to coffee or a taco stand. It would cost $30 max
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:03 PM
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No, you shouldn’t have to pay for an average looking woman that isn’t your sugar baby. So yes, they are usually easier to maintain because these women have lower standards and accept less than hypergamous women and escorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:53 PM
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Most men absolutely do not pay in some way shape or form. Date an average looking woman… (any woman that’s not a celebrity, sugar baby or model) and she will have to go 50/50. Stop feeding into the delusion that men are supposed to pay for dates or buy presents for their wives, that’s reserved for women that look as good as Sofia Vergara only. If men stopped simping and treated a woman based on her actual worth, then it would cost most men $0 to access, date and marry these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:35 PM
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How so? If anything it’s red pilled men that feed into these women’s delusions about men being providers. Men are providers for beautiful women. Thats 10-30% of you. Men need to start being honest that the majority of women are supposed to be free in comparison to escorts. Thats the only way an average woman will be able to compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:32 PM
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The dating market with average women IS the easy sex. A lot of men in here are simply going for women that are actually attractive, so she has options. Sex workers ask for money.. it’s 10x more expensive than the average woman who pays 50/50… whether it’s a hookup, situation, relationship or marriage. They don’t have the leverage to be asking a man to spend a dime on them.. however sexworkers won’t even entertain you if you told them that you won’t pay. Example: The escort will ask for $500 for …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:08 PM
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Not exactly. The average woman goes 50/50, and has no leverage to be demanding anything more than that. Sex workers will cost infinitely more, since your gf will sleep with consistently for free .. and you can make her pay for her half of the dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:06 PM
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It’s not unless you have a lot of disposable income. There are plenty of women that are dating for something “long term”. Meaning you can easily sleep with them if you dangle commitment in front of them. Average women will sleep with a man for a plate of food and a cocktail. Escorts charge 10x more than that… they will ask for cash. Not food, validation, alcohol etc. Theres a reason why men will keep around lackluster women for consistent access to sex at a low cost… you have to specifically go …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:05 PM
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No. Simping costs $0. If you are a man that’s okay with an average woman, and you have an average salary. Then escorts will be too expensive for you, think about it.. most men in this forum don’t want to spend over $10 on a first date, or over $100 on their actual girlfriend. If you want an escort that’s at least a 7, it would cost $500 or more. The dancers in Vegas charge $1000 a hour for a VIP room- that’s not even hooking up. If a man can’t even afford to date an average looking woman that is…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:02 PM
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You’re virtue signaling. Look at the average man’s wife, and then look at a rich, successful man’s wife. It’s absolute bullshit when you guys claim that average joes can get 10s. And it’s bullshit when you guys claim the most beautiful women on earth will pick janitors over CEOs. It’s also absolutely bullshit that a lot of women think a 5 will be a man’s first choice. What if it’s simply because the beautiful women are not accessible to him, because they’re use to men that are successful and han…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 05:57 PM
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If they are average looking, then yes they are significantly easier to access. Let me give you an example- an average woman is barely going to be glanced at, complimented or approached.. she’s the type that would have to accept coffee dates and etc or she would never have the opportunity to be taken on a date. Some of them will even put out, because they are not used to a man spending $5 on her. Most average women are pumped and dumped- you don’t necessarily have to even take her out on a coffee…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 02:48 AM
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I’m not talking about average looking women that are easy and cheap to access. The 28 year old woman who works in HR, is not attractive enough to get a successful man or sugar daddy in the first place. They’ll have to settle for coffee dates because no man would ever spend a dime on dating them. Most young professional women are not attractive. I’m talking about women that can actually make money off their looks, or they are already dating/married to a millionaire. She’s with an average joe with…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:40 AM
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If you don’t want to be kept then why would a man need to have a job to date you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:13 AM
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No, and that’s BS. There’s plenty of young, fit women here that are dating older, bald, fatter, shorter men. From Miami, to Los Angeles, to Dallas. Even in South America, beautiful Colombian sugar babies will date nerdy tourists that aren’t attractive because he’s providing for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:12 AM
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Do you think most women are dating handsome, rich men? There’s a trade off. I also know girls who have their body done, and always do their hair or makeup. Dressed in tight dresses and heels just to go to lunch or Whole Foods. These women usually are dating an older man or a less attractive man that is on the shorter side. They don’t care though because he is spoiling them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 11:21 PM
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This is not what a girl boss is lol. Girl bosses are the ones who don’t want a man to pay, cause she needs to prove that she can be the breadwinner in a hypothetical relationship. These women usually think it’s a flex to sleep around with men who don’t invest or commit to her, and they also flex being a single mom and sole provider since being a girl boss is about how much you don’t need a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 11:17 PM
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Okay so why are these beautiful women too shallow to date broke, short, unemployed men? Women always say that you guys aren’t shallow or materialistic. So why does a man need a job or looks to date an attractive woman? What makes her better than him?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 10:26 PM
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Exactly. These women have no idea how much we are willing to spend on attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 10:25 PM
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A lot of men can get a woman. But it won’t be the type that he will want. The most beautiful women are usually sugar babies.. they won’t date an average joe for free. Show me one fat, bald guy you know who is dating someone who looks like Sofia Vergara. And she is the breadwinner in the relationship. The women who expect a man to make more money than her and to pay for dinners have the same expectations the “prostitutes” do. If they didn’t they would be okay dating an unemployed man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 10:15 PM
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Most women don’t have to pay to play since men usually are more willing to engage in casual sex. Most sugar babies and sex workers are not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:04 AM
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Hott women are with successful, rich men. Average women are with average men. She can’t get Ronaldo for a reason. She can call herself a “7” but reality will show you she’s a 4, which is why she’s with an average joe instead of a millionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:43 PM
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No, you are simply overinflating them. They’re not “hott” if they can’t receive the pretty privilege that actual beautiful women get. Not all women get intimate with their “sugar daddies”, plenty of men would pay to go to dinner with an actual beautiful woman. (This is about 5% of the female population, don’t try to make it seem like the average man has a cute gf. Those women are average, which is why they have average lifestyles and are with an average man. No rich or successful man would ever …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:40 PM
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The girls who were getting run through in college for free by losers are not the attractive ones amongst their peers. The attractive ones had sugar daddies, dated with or slept with chads (rich, tall frat bros) and got flown out by athletes, rappers, actors, etc. The ones that let any man access them are not the “prime” I’m talking about. Look at the average college dude’s gf, it’s the type of girl that would be turned away from a hooters audition from being overweight
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:33 PM
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No, I believe you definitely have to “bring something” to the table or else you will end up with a post wall woman. Why would a woman in her prime choose the man that has no resources/no car/no muscles/no looks over the guy that does? If it was that easy, every below average to average man would have a supermodel gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:23 PM
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I think their point is those men would be paired up with women that are also not impressive in any way (this means she can’t be attractive, educated, fit, sexually skilled, young, feminine, etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:21 PM
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Most women aren’t getting attention from Ronaldo or Jeff Bezos. How many women do you know are dating millionaires? So the attention is worth nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 12:37 AM
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Most men have to settle.. the woman he ends up taking out might not be his 1st, 2nd or 20th choice. Why should it cost anything to date or be with a woman, that is average looking?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 03:10 AM
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That attention isn’t worth anything. Those men are only giving her attention because lower cost women are known to put out for attention. Whereas higher maintenance women require more work than that. Look at the type of man a woman marries or dates, if he has average status then it shows us she has low status (for a woman, low status means she’s the fat, unattractive, manly looking one in her group of friends) Women with value marry handsome, successful, tall rich men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 02:19 AM
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The issue is most women’s time is not worth $20. Or even $5. This is why men are complaining. It shouldn’t cost a man any money to take a woman out, unless she is super attractive (hotter than 99% of the other women in any given room).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 02:17 AM
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It’s more like desirability match. Women that have less options should be paired up with men that also have less options. If you’re the type of woman that would be ignored by handsome rich men then what makes you too good for the unattractive guy that’s also ignored by beautiful, fit women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 02:14 AM
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The “attention economy” isn’t real. Any woman can get attention and sex. There’s only a small % of women that can get provision or commitment out of a man. They’re comparing themselves to the trophy wives who get a car as a push present, when they themselves split the bills with their husband and didn’t get a car for giving birth. They are realizing they are simply not worth that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 11:01 PM
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Btw no man has to deal with a “raggedy poor 304” when 304s charge money and your entire thread is you claiming that there are beautiful 23 year old supermodels willing to fuck random men in any car. If your logic was true, sugar dating/brothels/escorts/onlyfans wouldn’t exist since men could all could fuck Sofia Vergara after she paid for the date. You would have to admit your car date gal is not the 23 year old supermodel with high value.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 10:49 PM
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Not only that but average men keep inflating average women by saying they’re attractive. No, average women are dating millionaires, athletes, celebrities. If those men ignore her then she’s not worth anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:44 PM
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Yes, but the people they are attracted to (you in this case) decided she is not worth a dime. This tells me she can’t be the 10 she claims she is. And that she must suck in bed, that the men she sleeps with decides she deserves less than a sex worker or kept girlfriend. Idk why you’re inflating their values. Your actions already show me what type of woman they are. It’s not about their income lol.. hott women can always get men to pay for them. She simply doesn’t have that choice. Are you really…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:33 PM
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Yes, but most fatties aren’t sugar babies. Men aren’t spending a dime on them- despite them putting out in a car. It’s okay though, the women that are free to access will just get ran through while they hate on wives, girlfriends and sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:32 PM
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Yeah, those aren’t the women that are worth bragging about. Idk why you’re inflating their value. They are worth less than the women that actually deserve a free meal. Again this would imply they cost way less than a prostitute. They don’t require commitment or payment. The man who’s fucking them doesn’t even want to take her home- she’s simply not worth cleaning the sheets for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:30 PM
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No, I’m saying she’s not attractive due to how men treat her. Again, fatties always claim they’re 10s on here. But the men they choose won’t even spend on a dime on her. That’s for a reason. It’s not her choice, it’s the man’s choice whether she is worth spending on or not. You already told me she gave it up, and that she wasn’t worth a nice restaurant to you. What would this imply about her body? That it’s simply worth less than other women’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:28 PM
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Sure. But the pics don’t matter because her reality already tells everything I need to know. You can call her a 10. She can also claim to be a 10. But there’s a reason why she can’t get a man to be generous with her. There’s a reason why you pumped and dumped her- despite her being free to access and keep around. She’s simply worth less than objectively attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:25 PM
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Some of those women are not worth that much, so of course they can’t be taken out to a nice dinner in the first place. I have seen the average man’s gf- that’s exactly why some men are johns. They rather pay for women that are beautiful instead of settling for free use women. Let’s not be delusional. No LA/Vegas/Miami 7,8,9,10 is gonna go 50/50 or give it up that easily. If it was, every unemployed incel would have a gf that looks better than Sophie rain that pays for everything. You are leaving…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:22 PM
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u/freevoulous - here’s an example of free use women. If you went for women who have low standards and expectations like this man then you would realize that sexbots are a waste of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:16 PM
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But this gives them more opportunity to cheat on their boyfriends while getting away with it. I see your theory but I’ve also seen this in practice- she can easily sleep with someone else and risk the relationship especially if you guys are going 50/50. If she doesn’t need you sexually or financially then you can’t really be the only one she dates or sleeps with. This is why average men always end up competing with Chads for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:09 PM
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This is not true, because the women that are worth nice places will get that paid for. If a man is asking her to go 50/50, she’s not a prostitute. She’s worth less. There’s a reason why nobody wants to take her to a nice restaurant and pay for it. Because they require payment while she gets ran through for free. It’s funny how you’re trying to give them credit for being smart enough to get a free meal in the first place, but then you say you pumped and dumped them. And they did it for free. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:03 PM
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Providing is how men compete. If we take paying for things completely out of the equation then this means most women would only go for conventionally handsome, tall men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:00 PM
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It’s because nerdy men want a nerdy woman that looks like Sydney Sweeney or Madison beer
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 06:59 PM
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Yes, most men are settling. It’s only women that are in denial of this. Look at the average man’s wife/gf… tell me how that’s not settling. Women like to hype women up by telling them they’re all 10s. I’ve never been willing to pay for a date for most women I’ve taken out. But would I pay anything for a beauty like Sofia Vergara? Yes. But the average woman is worth a lot less compared to her. Why would a man provide for an average woman? You can be in denial all you want. But I even have married…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 07:00 PM
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It depends. No man is choosing the less hot option on purpose. It’s because he can’t afford beautiful women, cause they’re usually not cheap and easy to access. If women stopped being 50/50, they would be able to tell if they’re being settled for. No man in their right mind is wasting $25 to buy his gf a meal when he’s settling for her. Women can’t grasp that some of them are only taken because they are free to keep around. They can’t grasp that other women, that are beautiful have a lot of requ…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:04 PM
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It’s pretty obvious. If he isn’t willing to provide 100% for you it’s because he’s settling. Most women are the 50/50 independent boss babe type so you guys will walk straight into the “trap” of being settled for. Every day there’s a woman on here arguing that she’s better than everyone else for being cheap to access and low maintenance. When in reality her husband settled for her so why would he be spending xyz on her anyways? A lot of men won’t give up guaranteed, consistent sex and companions…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 05:58 PM
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That’s my point. They’re not Sofia Vergara so what justifies their unrealistic standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 10:34 PM
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Let’s see how she looks like. Because ive noticed sometimes you guys will say you know a “slightly unattractive” woman that does x y z, but she still looks better than the average man’s gf. The average man’s gf is mid and overweight.. there’s a reason why taken men seek out sugar babies and onlyfans the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:40 PM
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The girls on dating apps are rejects lol. The hott girls get approached whenever they go out. The OF girls look good enough for men to pay them. The girls on dating apps aren’t even worth a coffee. They literally brag about that here. What makes you think they’re so attractive when no man would ever spend on them or cold approach them?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:58 PM
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I do believe average women can go on dates and get married. But that doesn’t mean those men are wasting money on them. And if they are, it’s a shame.. there’s literally hott women that work as hired guns or that are sugar babies that would deserve that money more. A woman doesn’t deserve to have her meal paid for just because you two are dating, especially if you had to settle for her and she is below average compared to other women. What makes her more deserving than women that are actually bea…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:49 PM
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The thing is a man would not want to pay for an average looking woman, because she is not worth that. Keep reading your romance novels though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:38 PM
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Why would a man want to pay for something that is not worth much and should be free?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:32 PM
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You don’t understand that some attention from an attractive woman that we yearn for, has a lot more value to us than a woman we had to settle for. Sure, it would be great if the younger attractive woman wanted us for us and not our money. But sugaring gives men a way to fill a void, especially when a lot of them settle in marriage. You must have no idea what the average man’s wife looks like.. they’re no Sofia Vergara.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:31 PM
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They will lol. There’s plenty of sugar babies and hott women on sugar dating apps, or women that are working as dancers and looking for a sponsor. The average girls saying they won’t do it for $$, but will let Chad run through them for $0 are not the women that men care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:29 PM
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Reality isn’t the romance novels you read where skinny fat women with huge noses are getting asked out on dinner dates. At best, she can have a relationship as long as she pays for herself, doesn’t expect gifts, and is always easy and cheap to access.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:26 PM
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No, there’s no point in men contributing to society if they have to end up with anything lower than a 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 10:29 AM
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Look at the average man’s gf or wife.. they’re relatively unattractive and fat when compared to Sofia Vergara. Basically, it’s women that are free to access.. that aren’t good enough to get a successful man that could afford to take her to dinner. Basically it’s the type of woman that has no choice but to date an average man, because successful men look down on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 10:27 AM
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You said “The reality is that unless you are visibly deformed, there is definitely a guy who would be attracted to the “natural” you (no make-up, fancy clothes, lip fillers, botox, etc).” Which is not true. That guy wouldn’t be attracted to her. He would be settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 10:00 AM
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Average men deserve attractive women. Nobody should be settling for average women unless you are below average as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 09:55 AM
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Do not lie to them. Most men won’t actually be attracted to them. They would simply be settling for them because they have no other options. Average women are average. It shouldn’t be normalized for men to pursue these women, when biologically men are attracted to the most beautiful women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:07 AM
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No they’re not. This is the type of delusion that keeps women single. Most of the girls on OF look better than the girls on dating apps. It makes more sense to give those women $10 for pics, than it is to spend $3 on coffee for an average woman that should be buying her own cup of coffee on the date.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:03 AM
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No they wouldn’t. That only happens in the romance novels that women read and believe are real. If you are average then you can not expect a man to spend on you. You are not worth that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:59 AM
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I am not gonna play the feminist game of pretending that a 300 pound woman and Sofia Vergara deserve the same types of dates. The problem with red pilled men is that you guys delude women into thinking they are worth doing x,y,z for. When in reality, they are not. Thats why the majority of them are going 50/50.. no man deems them worthy of spending a dollar on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:56 AM
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Then he can settle for an average looking woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:04 AM
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Those nurses you’re talking about usually aren’t the attractive girls amongst their peer group. Again, they wouldn’t make it past a bottle girl audition in the first place.. just like how they wouldn’t even get accepted as a golf cart girl. They’re average women.. hence their average lifestyle. Those incels have no “options” because they want attractive women. Men, in general want attractive women.. we don’t necessarily want to settle for an average one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:45 AM
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Anybody can get an average looking woman.. they’re average for crying out loud. They are not used to being wined and dined, or even used to getting compliments, so they have lower standards. Those women however are not partaking in the activities that OP listed. Pretty women get jobs like bottle girl, model etc. They wouldn’t be a nurse unless they are older or have no options (no man wants to take care of her because she is unattractive, and she would be rejected from any job where her appearan…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:32 AM
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No, I’m not being sarcastic. Sorry but I don’t buy it that you’re a doctor, but have no luck dating. Are you trying to date women like Kylie Jenner, who has access to actors and millionaires?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:23 AM
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Speak for yourself. If a woman is gonna expect a man to pay for the dates then she should at least have better breasts than the majority of women in the room and be better dressed. Otherwise what’s the point in paying for her meal?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:21 AM
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This is a delusional take. The only women that have it easier are the ones that are blessed with a nice symmetrical face and a hourglass figure. They’re the ones that men do things for, and will spend on. The rest of you will have to pull your weight, meaning a man should not have to spend a dollar to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:20 AM
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This is BS. If you’re making a good salary, you should have access to the hottest, youngest, fittest women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:18 AM
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Women who read nothing but romance novels and smut, will delude themselves into thinking that men will spend money to date them.. when they are not worth that much. If you are not hotter than 90% of the women in the room.. then you should not be setting your standards up that high unless you are ready to be single for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:02 AM
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I disagree. You only have to look good if you expect a man to pay for the dates. If you’re an independent 50/50 woman like what most of you claim to be then any man would be open to dating you as long as you regularly put out and don’t demand any gifts or finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 05:51 AM
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Thanks. You just described hoeflation. This is why men are opting out of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:00 AM
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Yes but women expect the guy to assume she’s not free. But if she doesn’t explicitly say it then she will be seen as free and accessible to anyone. Men know it’s transactional, there’s a reason why richer men usually have better looking girlfriends than the average man. It’s women that are in denial about any type of transaction going on- yet they get offended when a man tries to get their body for 0 effort/dollars.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 05:05 PM
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Because then some women will realize they are cheap, and then some men will realize that it’s a reflection of them (how valuable their wife or gf is perceived in society)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 04:59 PM
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Our moms are in their 40-50s. I’m sorry but there’s no way a man would choose them over anyone younger. It wouldn’t matter if he was married to her for 5-20 years, she’s still less desirable and less attractive than any average 20-30 year old woman that our dad could date right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 12:09 AM
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Not necessarily. The average man’s wife doesn’t look that good so by default I would argue that most of our moms weren’t good looking. There’s a reason why some women were provided for back in the day, and why some already had to work (in a time where it was normal for husbands to provide) The attractive women never ended up having to work. The mid ones did work or got divorced and weren’t able to remarry. There are a lot of divorced women past the age of 40. What could have happened was their h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 11:19 PM
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There are a lot of couples like that though, but they are matched. Danny Devito is successful so I’m not sure why you’re implying that Scarlett is above him. She’s no supermodel.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 11:16 PM
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Where’s the proof that those women are more attractive than their husbands?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:13 PM
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This is common sense. Look at the average man’s wife. Most men can’t get a conventionally attractive or fit woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 10:13 AM
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This is the most likely. It’s also women with single moms that constantly shit on women that men provide for or take on dates, because their mom didn’t get that treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 04:59 AM
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It is. Men give eachother kudos when their gf looks better than the average “normal” body. Any woman can have a small chest, big waist or saggy chest. It’s not special. Again, most men have to settle. It doesn’t mean the woman they settle for is their preference. The women that have more options, are harder to get because of the competition and her higher standards. It’s easier to date a woman that other men would not want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 04:57 AM
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I have noticed that most guys on here would say they don’t wanna be settled for. Whereas women pretty much brag about it (they’re unaware of how much men settle. Men put in less effort when they settle. But women clock this as “he’s just letting me an independent woman” when in reality he doesn’t want to invest that type of time, effort or finances into someone he only feels neutral about)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 04:54 AM
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Men are expected to plan and pay for dates. Do you know how much a man spends on engagement/marriage? Why would he do all of that for a woman he’s not attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:24 AM
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Not really. There are women with big boobs and ass with a small/waist/back/arms. Most women that are overweight have belly fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:38 AM
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No, they find those women okay enough to have sex with. This does not mean he is attracted to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:30 AM
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Why don’t those men deserve attractive women? Men put in 90% of the work for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:30 AM
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They are contributing to hoeflation as long as they are making those women feel as if they are on the same caliber as beautiful, fit women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:27 AM
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<image> That’s what big boobs should look like. Not on a huge waist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:06 AM
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They both have big boobs.. but one is saggy and not round. SHES literally overweight and boxy. One has a job where you’re required to be hott.. none of the girls there have saggy tits. Doesn’t matter if they’re big, why are they not round? Why are they low on her chest?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:06 AM
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What’s considered fat? It doesn’t make sense that men on here claim 40-60% of American women are fat but then when I post an overweight woman, they will say she looks the same as the skinny women I post. If there’s no difference between a size 2 with big perky boobs and a size 10 with proportional saggy boobs then how can they complain about hoeflation? “Even mid girls have more options than a handsome guy” yeah why wouldn’t they when you guys simp over the women that are supposed to be consider…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:01 AM
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I’m aware it’s Kylie Jenner. Women brag about being breadwinners now, they can’t afford to get work done? Either way surgery or not, you don’t look better than someone else just because you are natural. You don’t get special points. You won’t get special treatment. There’s plenty of fat women who say their bmi is natural so therefore they’re a 10 and in the same category as fit women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 01:45 AM
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They don’t. But they’re demanding it. I know they don’t. That’s why men take them on coffee dates or Netflix and chill.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 01:43 AM
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The other girl has bigger, rounder and perkier titties especially if you compare to her waist. It’s not the same proportions. Her waist wouldn’t be boxy, and other women get a breast lift if their chest sags that much. Ken is wearing a swimsuit and her breasts are big, round and perky. Whereas the other girl is clearly wearing a bra and it still looks low on her chest, she also doesn’t have a small waist. The overweight one has a wide waist. Then you guys can’t complain about size 14 women think…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 01:43 AM
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Im describing the average fake woke feminist woman. You guys do this in real life too by being envious of the pretty coworkers or any woman that looks better. Anything I can say about a woman- there’s another overweight one that has said something 10x worse about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:31 PM
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You are contributing to hoeflation. The skinny girls I posted have bigger tits when you consider the proportion.. this woman has bigger everything. Ofc a woman will have tits if she’s overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:26 PM
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Do you think short broke men already get raw passion and kinky stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:46 AM
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Plenty of men settle. Whats your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:17 AM
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If anything, I think you women are negging skinny women with big breasts by saying they look the same as a chubbier, wide waisted woman with saggy breasts. You guys can’t stand that some women have featured that make them stand out from the average woman, which is why you say a size 2 woman and a size 10 look the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:17 AM
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And then I posted this body type <image> And a woman said they’re the same. This girl above is a model cocktail server at a Vegas pool. You have to audition and they don’t hire overweight women. How are they the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:15 AM
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I posted this body type. <image> And I know this girl on Instagram. She actually is chubby.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:15 AM
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I don’t believe this for one second because a lot of you will simp and call any woman beautiful. Show me their body shape at least. These type of women aren’t dating broke men <image> Also, why isn’t Kylie Jenner, Adriana Lima, or Melania Trump with a broke guy and going on Applebees dates then? Men who contribute to hoeflation can’t complain about the fatties who think they’re skinny 10s. A woman that can only attract average men/average lifestyle is average. There’s a reason why she’s not good…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:09 AM
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Why would she deserve princess treatment? The women that are worth low effort should only expect low effort for the entire relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:07 AM
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Do you think men need to ask a CPA if they should waste money dating a woman they had to settle for? Most women’s reality will already show them what their man thinks of them. Most don’t have the option to stay at home, whether it’s for a week or 1 year… you realize some women don’t even taken out on dates right? There’s a lot of women nowadays that think meeting at a guys place for sex after midnight = relationship. It’s safe to say that those women can’t get 1% of what a married, sahm would. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:05 AM
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Where’s the evidence that sleeping with someone = relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:03 AM
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It’s perfect for mid women, but the problem is a lot of women think they are worth more effort than that. Or they expect more effort in the relationship. I think if you are the type of woman that a man would take out to coffee then he shouldn’t ever have to invest more to be with you. Meaning you shouldn’t be asking for birthday dinners or presents. That should only be for beautiful women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:56 AM
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Why do I have to be redpill to say that an unattractive, overweight or average woman should not require the same amount of work a beautiful, fit woman would require?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:54 AM
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A situationship is not a relationship, A man sleeping with a woman one time does not mean he was interested in her, or was dating her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:53 AM
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I’m not providing shit if I end up with an average looking woman. She wouldn’t have the option of being a SAHM or being provided for 2 months, don’t know why you said 30 years. And yeah, most men are dating women that have limited options.. that’s what an average woman is. She wouldn’t be able to attract a guy who can do math, or a guy that enjoys being around her enough that he would spend any money. Being a placeholder/being settled for because you are easy to please and keep around does not m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:51 AM
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So? I also have buddies that settled for their wife. It doesn’t mean she’s his first choice. Some of us can’t get attractive women, and have to settle. Yes but most women would never be offered to be a sahm anyways because they are not worth that. It’s not really a choice that a woman makes, it’s up to the men she dates to decide if she’s worth providing for. And men shouldn’t have to provide for women that they had to settle for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:01 AM
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I’m using womens logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:57 AM
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Most of them were never lied to. They just assumed they were in a monogamous relationship because a man slept with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:54 AM
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Or I’ll just settle for a Becky
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:49 AM
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Stacy for LTR/marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:44 AM
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How
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:40 AM
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How can dating be that hard when there’s mid women everywhere talking about how they would give any nice guy a chance even if he will only bread crumb her?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:40 AM
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Reality will humble those women you’re talking about though. If they were actually attractive they would be worth more. But men see them as an easy lay. Which is fine, but you guys make those women believe that they are 10s. You’re not a 10 just because men want to sleep with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:37 AM
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You did lmao. The sprinkle sprinkle lady would agree with YOU that all women are their boyfriends first choice
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:36 AM
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<image> Would you guys take a woman shaped like this to coffee on a first date or to something she actually wants to do, but costs more?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:34 AM
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I never said that all women should be treated on a first date. I simply said that unattractive fatties can’t get the same investment than a beautiful woman would. You were the one trying to make it sound like beautiful women get less than fatties by saying that the less effort a man makes (coffee), the more he likes you over the other girl (that he’s willing to take to dinner). Your argument is that women that are seen as cheap and easy are wifey material. When in reality men see them as bootyca…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:30 AM
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I’m not. She’s just saying that because she wants to justify women being easy and cheap to access for chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:25 AM
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This is delusional. When a girl is really pretty she’s used to being given nice experiences without added pressure. Average women are still pressured during casual dates.. the man is already settling for them, why would he want to play a waiting game for her? She’s a dime a dozen. If she doesn’t sleep with him it’s okay, since she paid her half of the date it won’t be a loss for him. Average looking women aren’t worth much in the dating market, you can’t compare them to the stunners that can att…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:17 AM
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I don’t see how they can have trouble landing dates when most women go on coffee/parked car dates and she wouldn’t be able to get any better. They are most likely going for the attractive women that other men actually want to impress. Those women are used to dinners and other things because men don’t see them as just an easy lay Financially struggling zoomers dont have to spend money to be with mid women… mid women aren’t the goal though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:05 AM
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Broke men can still scramble up $100-200 for a real date if the woman was actually worth it. Most men are settling so it wouldn’t make sense to have to spend money to date a woman that’s below your league. Beautiful women are the prize. Men love them. Most men aren’t with one though and had to settle. Look at the average man’s wife. What’s her body shape and bmi?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:50 AM
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Yes but it’s not about the man’s finances. Thats feminist delusion. It’s about what the woman is worth. Ofc he wouldn’t spend money to date an average woman… most men are literally settling. It’s women who delude themselves into thinking they’re the prize. You guys always say provision isn’t a good indicator because men would not choose to spend on you anyways. If a man has to settle, she should have to pay her half in the relationship. And she shouldn’t expect any special gestures or gifts for …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:40 AM
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Yeah. Men settle all the time and will date for quantity. This is why they rather go on 20 coffee dates a month than take 2 women out. Women can’t clock this though, because they keep arguing that it’s the bare minimum girls that are the ones being taken seriously. Women don’t like reality. It’s why they keep arguing with me that overweight women and beautiful women get treated the same in the dating world. When I say some men reserve low effort dates for low value women, these women will argue …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:32 AM
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But if I take a woman to nobu, it means I’m using her for sex right? This is with your logic. Most men settle. Just because we meet up with a woman does not mean we care about compatibility. Do you think men need compatibility for easy sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 12:13 AM
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Because he’s taking you to coffee and that means he’s committing to you remember? The less he gives, the more committed
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 12:08 AM
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It’s not cheating if it’s a situationship. A lot of women say they’re taken, then their “man” would say otherwise. Women conflate men sleeping with them for a relationship. Some of you never even get taken out on dates. Just meet up at his place for sex. He makes you pay for your own Uber. That’s not your boyfriend but women will never understand this or believe this. Yall rather believe that it’s the married stay at home trophy wives that are the ones being used.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 12:01 AM
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But it’s different if we use coffee dates to try to hook up with them right? Thats called commitment? It’s only being used for sex if it’s nobu or costs more than $5
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:56 PM
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No he wouldn’t. This is feminist delusion. You guys insist every woman is beautiful, even if a man tells you to your face that his wife got unattractive and fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:36 PM
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Rating with numbers doesn’t make sense cause it’s subjective. However there’s only two categories. He actually wants that woman and would pick her over someone else. He’s willing to do stuff for her. He’s settling for her. He can’t get anyone else that’s better. She’s the easiest and cheapest to keep around. Most women fall into the second one. Which is why they accept breadcrumbs in relationships/situationships/hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:29 PM
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A 5 woman doesn’t turn into a 10 just because the man looking at her is a 5. With this logic would you also agree that a Honda is the average man’s dream car? It’s not. He just can’t afford his actual dream car. It’s the same with women. Most men would prefer a woman that looks like Sofia Vergara, but they will have to settle for someone who is not even 10% of the woman she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:26 PM
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You are describing hoeflation. Most women are not attractive. Show me an average man who has a gf or wife that is shaped like this <image> Most women are average. Most men will have to settle out of necessity. If men only dated women we found attractive then the human race would be extinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:11 PM
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Nobody is forcing women to accept breadcrumbs. Some men will put in a little effort to fuck a woman. And women will confuse that with commitment and effort. This is why every 50/50 woman thinks they’re better than a woman that’s provided for. This is why every cheap lay thinks they’re better than a sugar baby. This is why every girl that only gets asked to coffee dates/3AM meet ups think they’re better than the women that men put money and effort into dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:10 PM
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No they don’t. Look at the average man’s gf and wife. There’s no way you think men are attracted to overweight women with saggy chests and mid faces. Settling means he doesn’t find her attractive, but she’s easy and cheap to keep around for company and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:03 PM
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He’s sleeping with her. It’s usually never “dating”. It’s just women who get used for easy sex. It’s not like the guys have ever brought her on a date. A lot of women can’t tell if a man only sees her as hook up potential. Even though he puts in the least amount of effort into dating her. u/cauliflowerelegant76 would probably tell you those women are being taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:59 PM
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No. These women know deep down from the beginning that these guys are breadcrumbing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:59 PM
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Yes. But if you’ve ever been shown that page it actually is just average women posting about how a Chad sweet talked her into a coffee/parked car date, they hooked up, and then he ghosted her. Women always think these men are so into them and want to be with them long term. It doesn’t cross their mind that men look for easy sex and that they were easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:45 PM
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Women love to accept breadcrumbs and then they will act like the man manipulated her. But in reality she accepted the bare minimum because she knows she can’t do better. They usually will also gaslight you into thinking that the women who receive the most effort and provision are the ones being treated “terribly”, and not the ones that men bread crumb to keep around as a placeholder
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:43 PM
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This is not true. Plenty of men are dating average to below average women, that they had to settle for. There’s no way you think most men can truly get the women they are actually attracted to. Most women don’t have exceptional faces or bodies. They are average. I would believe you if every man’s gf or wife looked like Sofia Vergara or had this type of physique that is superior to her peers. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:36 PM
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Most women are average looking, they would be the perfect match with a broke man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:44 PM
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You’re contributing to hoeflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:43 PM
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Is something wrong with being broke? Cause the women in this subreddit sure do brag a lot about how they’re the breadwinners of their relationship. If she’s so independent she can pay for all of her things in a relationship, this includes dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:43 PM
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My opinion is that Average women think coffee dates from Chad or an average Joe means she’s a 10. Meanwhile men just don’t wanna spend too much when they are trying to sleep with or date a woman they had to settle for. Women delude themselves into thinking that them being easy to access and sleep with means they are 10s. When in reality that man would not have spent $20 on her in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:42 PM
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Why? I thought the women accepting low effort dates from chads were flexing on Stacies by being easier to access.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:39 PM
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It’s not men who argue with me lmao. Most men won’t ever put effort or finances into fucking women that they had to settle for. And most men will admit their wife or gf is average looking.. again it’s only women who claim every woman is beautiful. I’ve had a woman argue with me that an overweight woman with a saggy chest and a skinny woman with huge tits had the same body type. Hoeflation is so bad that the women that get asked out to coffee/used for easy sex think they’re 10s, while they claim …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:37 PM
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I’m talking about hoeflation. Coffee dates are basically the mid women who are easy to meet up with and sleep with. They think they’re on chads level, but he’s only casually sleeping with her because she’s easy to access. Come on, you are familiar with this concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:35 PM
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It’s not a question. If I took out Stacy to a dinner and then took out Becky to a park then who’s gonna develop an inflated ego? Becky.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:33 PM
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Will Sofia Vergara sleep with men as easily as the low hanging fruit on tinder then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:33 PM
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This is exactly how women delude themselves into getting used for situationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:32 PM
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If I was an insecure woman I would have posted the opposite. Saying that it’s the unattractive women that get real effort from men and the hott girls are the ones that are used as casual sex for chads. Show me a hott woman that will go to coffee with any guy that messaged her. What’s her IG?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:31 PM
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It’s funny how women always talk about how men are desperate to fck anyone. But then they can’t clock that’s the reason why men also swipe on every girl, ask every girl out to coffee and feel out if he can sleep with her for free. I’ve seen women make videos about how men take hott girls on real dates and coffee/walking/parked car dates for unattractive women that he’s okay with casually fucking. And the funny thing is it’s mostly women in the comments defending coffee dates and how men actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:00 PM
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Those men are climaxing to those women repeatedly, it’s gonna affect his perception if he gets off more to porn vs sleeping with a woman in real life. If those women actually fuck those men IN PERSON then that event is grounded more in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 09:18 AM
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Exactly. A vast majority of women also love to fuck broke men. So how is that a high standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 09:17 AM
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Technically the same thing happens when a man watches OF or pornography. He will also think he experienced that scene in the video, with those type of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 09:03 AM
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The single moms in wealthy circles aren’t dealing with deadbeats. A lot of them get good child support and etc from their child’s father.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:52 AM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:20 AM
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Yes but those are the low hanging fruit women that men have to settle for.. do you get it? They won’t survive without a man’s validation, so they have to take anything they can get. These men can’t afford to have options or be able to attract beautiful or educated women. That’s the part of reality too. It’s also on Reddit where every man claims their gf or wife is attractive or desirable- when in reality she is low hanging fruit and can’t attract a provider. Most women are easy and cheap to acce…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:32 AM
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Hmm but men on here have also called Margot Robbie fat
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:59 AM
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I have a buddy who’s a gym bro and these are the local women he brags about to me (he finds them on IG). Just proves my point that men will call women like Margot Robbie fat, but then go for women that are way bigger than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:54 AM
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Yeah but a lot of women that have kids are not as fit as her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:51 AM
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<image> Is this considered fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:50 AM
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Nope. If you’re truly independent then be single. But I know you won’t cause a lot of women need a man’s validation/presence, to the point where they’re willing to go 50/50 or be free to date and access
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:38 AM
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False. They are free to date and keep around. And they brag about it too
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:33 AM
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False. Actual average women are overweight nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:33 AM
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A man downplaying his career is the equivalent of a woman downplaying her straight white teeth, clear skin, small waist, perky double d chest, nice bum, long thick hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:42 AM
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But they wanna be found desirable by low hanging fruit women that can’t even get a provider.. why does he need validation from free women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:41 AM
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I find it hard to believe that unemployed men with no business connections are out here with the most muscles/biggest build. There’s a halo effect. You can look it up. Attractive/taller men tend to be more successful, and are nicer and more generous because they are used to receiving a lot of praise and generosity from society. Single moms aren’t picking the men that are smart enough to be a homeowner, degree holder or business owner. They’re getting with men that lack everything a high status m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:38 AM
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That’s because those BMIS are desirable…. The same way a high income for a man is seen as desirable. Do you expect men with higher incomes to date the overweight women while unemployed men date the in shape ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:35 AM
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Sure, I can understand why a man doesn’t wanna be seen in the same way a 50/50 woman is seen. But a lot of men in this forum have said they don’t provide for their gf. So it’s hypocritical. You want to be desirable but somehow you want to date undesirable, cheap women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:30 AM
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They also aren’t real gold diggers if they’re gonna fuck him without a payment first. He can’t be serious. I live in a town that’s popular for sugar dating. Women that gold dig approach 40+ yo men or men that are willing to spend.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:28 AM
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This advice is irrelevant when OP is clearly looking for an arm candy kind of gf. Those women are gonna have high financial expectations. He doesn’t want an average looking woman, even though he’s probably average himself. (Working in tech doesn’t turn you into a Greek God unless you have Bill Gates money). Average looking women are literally out here fucking homeless men, so OP is clearly going for women that are above average looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:27 AM
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This isn’t any different to the safe 50/50 girlfriend option vs the woman you actually want, but she won’t be free to date. Obviously the first chick is the safe option, cause she will sleep with you without you having to spend any money or time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:25 AM
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No, this is feminist delusion. A man that’s dominant and high status can afford to provide and bring women on dates (even the ones he doesn’t take seriously. It’s not a dent in his wallet. It’s literally pennies to him) Single moms choose the opposite. Men that other men don’t even want to network with, because they’re unproductive, unsuccessful and probably unemployed. If feminism keeps encouraging women to sleep with bums that sleep on their friends’ couches then go ahead. But stop crying when…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:23 AM
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Because women will wonder what’s wrong with him since he can’t get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 10:26 PM
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You almost got it right but no. If a man goes 50/50 with you, he is taking advantage as well cause most men who do that spend on other women. If you don’t mind that then it’s fine. I think if women accept 50/50, it should also be no business of yours of how your husband spends it. The smartest women I know have their own income, get provided for, and their husband gives them money to save or invest. There are literally doctors and lawyers who save 80-100% of their own income because their man pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 10:05 PM
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The men on here aren’t going for the 40-70 year old women. Is the average man gonna start going for them once they realize they have as little options as undesirable women cause they are also undesirable? The men on here who complain about chads taking all the 20-30 year olds are going for 20-30 yo women that have other options. Men already know deep down that these women have options, they just don’t care. Most guys are single cause they won’t go for their looksmatch… and your looksmatch is a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:46 PM
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But they already do know that chads have a lot of options nowadays and it’s not hard for a woman to be a man’s play thing. Chads will get with the women you are talking about, they already are fucking them in current times. This is knowledge that everyone knows already. Most guys on here who complain about having less options all go for women in their 20-30s, not realizing those women have an abundance because they are competing with women that are our moms age. You realize chads will pick a mid…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:04 PM
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How does it achieve true equality? Those women will simply share Chad. I don’t think they will go for men that have less options, because women are already aware that chads have options and still go for them right now. Dating apps showing people how many people the other person is messaging- is not gonna magically even out the numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 01:44 PM
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No, they wouldn’t win. Because then women can see that average joes are also talking to someone else. Why would they compete for him if they can just compete for Chad? It’s already common sense that desirable men and women have abundance in dating. A lot of men just assume their subjective rating of beauty is objective. Most women in their 20s or look 20s in their 30s will have an abundance. These women are competing with women your mom’s age. Who do you think men will rush to?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 10:43 AM
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Most guys will not like that, cause then they would be able to see how many options women have. And I know girls who said they skipped on an average looking guy if they find out he’s talking to someone else. They figure that if they have to compete, they would rather compete for a chad than an average joe. That feature would just make it worse for average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:30 AM
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I’m not sure what your point is because this already happens. Imagine there’s a 6’2 handsome 29 year old man that’s making $300k a year. And a 5’9 unattractive man who makes $40k a year. Who do you think will get more women? Who will get better women? Exactly. Men already know this. It’s women who don’t understand the female equivalent of it. The thing is men don’t brag about being the 5’9 unattractive man that can barely get girls. But women sure do brag about being the unattractive woman that …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 02:25 PM
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Or they just spend on other women? I know guys who would never spend a dime on their gf, but they’ll spend $3-5k on a Vegas/miami/colombia trip and they spoil the girls they meet there (dancers, etc, girls at bars, maybe get a table at the club) There’s also plenty of men who spend money on onlyfans, but not their gf. If a woman accepts 50/50, then it’s not any of her business where his money goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 10:10 AM
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It is. A woman can scream from the rooftops that she’s a 10. Reality will show her she’s average when she’s with an average man living an average life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 10:08 AM
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No they don’t lol. Rich men typically have better looking gfs/wives than average joes. The women with average joes literally aren’t good enough to attract a successful man. Reality will show her what she’s worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 08:54 AM
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Where are you from? The objectively pretty girls in my city can easily get nice dinner dates.. cause they can attract men that regularly spend that much on dining out. I wouldn’t call them gold diggers- men naturally are willing to spend more for women that are more worth it/more attractive. The thing is men don’t want to pay to date an average looking woman. But average women will see pretty girls get taken on dates, get presents/trips from her bf/husband and expect the same treatment. Why aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 08:53 AM
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If rich men were actually frugal they would be dating the unattractive, less desirable 50/50 women that average joes have to settle for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 08:47 AM
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And how old is his wife? How does she look like? Her body measurements? Most average joes stay average, they don’t become ceos. Unless she’s a hott 25 year old model then you proved my point that only low value women go with men that can’t/wont provide. Some women know they could never get a dime out of a man- because they are less desirable and a leftover. It’s not a flex to brag about getting one of these women, ofc she doesn’t care about your money. She can’t afford to since she has 0 options…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 11:03 PM
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I don’t think the owner of your company dates low hanging fruit women though. That’s typically what average joes have to do and settle for, which is the type of woman that can’t get a provider in the first place. You don’t see rich guys bragging about how free and easy their gf is to date and keep around.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 10:07 PM
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Yes but with actual providers, the woman doesn’t even have to ask, a lot of those women already have their bfs credit card on her Apple Pay. I think men should just be honest and say they don’t want to provide because they settled for an unattractive woman (their looksmatch). That’s the reason why he doesn’t want to accept these requests. Hes keeping her around as a placeholder because the attractive women he wants want a provider and he can’t do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:35 PM
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Then why do rich people stay at the best hotels when traveling? Or fly business/first class? Why do they buy high quality clothes with the best fabric? Why do they spend the most on fun/entertainment? Those aren’t investments. And how would they see $500 as “too much” if it’s like $5 to them? Their version of frugal is not the average joes version. This is why you never see rich people get married at cheap, trashy venues or throw their birthdays at Applebees. They also don’t go to cheap dive bar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:26 PM
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No, most men can’t. There’s a reason why most men rather have a 50/50 placeholder gf, it saves him money in dating because he can’t afford to do what he actually wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:14 PM
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Most rich people aren’t as frugal as you think. You never see them living in a shitty side of town, send their kids off to the worst schools, choose the worse doctors cause it’s more affordable, or even date lower quality women cause she’s cheaper to access. A $300 dinner is like $5 to them, I don’t think they are affected.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:01 PM
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For Americans, it’s not. This is why a lot of married women go 50/50, and why a lot of men kick out and cut off their children financially at 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:58 PM
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I know actual sugar babies, they get 5 figure allowances. I don’t think giving money to your own gf is sugaring. Attractive women are always able to get money, I’ve seen them ask random guys at bars for cashapp and it works. I think a lot of guys just don’t provide, because they can’t get an attractive woman in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:57 PM
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This is kind of a trick question because I believe men provide for the women they like. But a lot of women are delusional and think their current man likes them, when he doesn’t. The truth is a lot of men can’t afford (let’s be realistic, a woman that looks like Sofia Vergara is not going 50/50 with an average man) to get the women they want or he is not able to organically attract them. A lot of men are also delusional about this. They date average/unattractive women, the type of low quality wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:55 PM
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How is this a surprise to you? Just look at the women in this subreddit. The ones who get taken on coffee dates think they’re better than the women who get taken on dinner dates. The ones who get nothing from their bf think they’re better than the bf’s side who gets gifts, trips, money from him. The single moms here think they’re better than the wives that are provided for. Idk what it is but women think we like them more if we do less for them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 12:30 AM
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This post is a bunch of copium. No, the reason why average, less desirable women get offered lower cost/effort dates is because that’s what they’re worth. They compete with beautiful women by being lower maintenance, easier and cheaper to court. Would a man pay $200 for great steak and seafood? Yes. Would a man pay $200 for McDonald’s fries? No. The point is a lot of women are McDonald’s fries, so they already don’t have what it takes to expect a man to take them to dinner. It’s the equivalent o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 12:22 AM
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So describe a beautiful woman to me. Would it be someone with a small or saggy chest? Some girls don’t need plastic surgery. They already have a big chest, hourglass figure and nice bum. Those are the women that are attractive enough to attract wealthy men. That’s why you never see an average man dating a woman like that. You’re simply ignoring the majority of the population if you think there are “plenty” of beautiful women that date broke men. Or you are contributing to hoeflation, by calling …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 12:16 AM
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Do you think over 50% of women are “beautiful”? I find it funny how a man is calling me porn brained but he’s following the feminist logic that any woman can say she’s beautiful simply cause she has a man. Without considering the fact that he might just be settling for her since she’s free to access. Yes, plenty of women don’t care about money but that’s cause they are not attractive or desirable enough to make that demand.., that’s why a lot of them are dating average men and living an average …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 11:46 PM
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Technically, most average men can’t afford that “type”. Why else do you think the average man’s wife looks like that, with dark under eyes, cellulite, small or saggy chests and a waist wider than 25 inches. She’s overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 11:36 PM
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They definitely are not as beautiful as you’re making them out to be. I’ve seen the average man’s wife/gf (the kind that works and splits the bills) compared to athletes and millionaires gfs and wives who don’t have to work. An average salaryman’s gf does not look better than a millionaires gf. The latter looks significantly better especially because they get breast lifts after giving birth whereas the average woman walks around with a saggy chest and skin, she also can’t afford a nanny to help …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 11:31 PM
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I disagree. There’s a good amount of women that would care. Especially the most attractive ones. That’s why you never see janitors date the type of women that Donald Trump and Ronaldo can. We have to be realistic, when your resources are limited so are your options. Show me one average joe making $40k a year, who doesn’t spend money on the women he dates and has a hotter gf than Ronaldo.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 11:01 PM
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You’re a woman so married men don’t vent to you. But most married men I know have said they settled. It’s only women who delude themselves into thinking that 20% of you or more are attractive, when it’s not.. men just settle for guaranteed companionship and sex. Men go for less desirable women cause those women are supposed to be free to access and keep around compared to their more attractive counterparts. So why should he have to spend $20 on her on Valentine’s Day? He is already settling for …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:01 PM
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You just said most people aren’t rich, which is exactly why men have to settle for women that are supposed to be free to access and keep. You said most people aren’t rich but now you’re trying to justify a man spending his hard earned money on gifts/dinners for the woman he’s settling for. It shouldn’t take money and effort to date a less desirable woman- that doesn’t make sense. In that case that man would deserve a woman that looks like Sofia Vergara. This is why men are opting out of dating. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 11:56 AM
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But the thing is a lot of Eastern European men are providers. So yes women are gonna date them even if they don’t look that well, And no. You’re over inflating them. Either way, reality will show them their real value. You can scream from the rooftops that they’re a 10- reality will show them they’re average by giving them an average lifestyle. There’s a reason why they can’t pull off what Melania Trump pulled off, it’s not because of the ratio.. lol the rich men in their country are not single.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 11:50 AM
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She most likely was not attractive objectively to other men. Or she was still seen as low value, which is why she only gets asked on low value dates. The dates value is based on the women’s value. Any man (whether he’s rich or a bum) deserves to spend $0 on a date with average looking women, since that’s what she’s worth. You didn’t want to take her on an expensive date because she is only worth a $5 coffee. Thats why. Expensive dates are for women that have high value. Most women are not attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 04:09 AM
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If they enjoyed it so much they wouldn’t be crying about being pumped and dumped. They’re still doing what sex workers do but for free. I’m just saying if we slutshame the pros we should also slutshame the free ones. Yeah and those women are the type that will fuck any man that buys her a cup of coffee. Coffee dates are for low hanging fruit women. Which is fine since the average man is already dating an average looking woman that wouldn’t be able to get a dinner date from another guy in the fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 01:50 AM
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Those women usually aren’t that attractive. They’re average. Actual attractive women can attract millionaires, successful men, athletes, etc. they’re not dating an average earning man. Her reality shows her what her value is- not what a simp passportpro thinks. Is the “gringo” a rich, powerful man that could buy her a house without flinching? Probably not. Because he’s an average one. She’s average and attracted an average foreign man. Melania Trump is a woman that actually attracted a powerful …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 01:47 AM
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Yes but it shouldn’t cost any money or effort to impress or date a mid woman. Thats my point. Thats why men take them on coffee dates. Also a lot of mid women are close to being overweight. So it should be out of the question for a man to feed her any food from restaurants that usually contain more calories If you read the comments you’ll see men saying “well my current gf was okay with coffee because she didn’t want to owe me afterwards”. What do you think that implies? It means women subconsci…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 01:45 AM
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Yes but a lot of women are average looking so a date or relationship with them should never cost any money. But it’s not about the man’s finances, it’s about the woman’s looks and desirability. We have no problem with fit, beautiful women wanting a proper date or effort throughout the relationship. The problem is with average women who are almost overweight, wanting food on the first date or wanting her boyfriend to spend his own money buying her food later down the road. Most women don’t need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 01:42 AM
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No, some women are simply average. They should accept low effort like coffee dates on the first date, but they should also accept low effort for the rest of the relationship. For example that would be never having to buy her a gift, take her on a date or have to spend a dime on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 01:39 AM
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They can afford nobu for the right girl, who’s actually worth it. Most men settle. You’re not a man so you’ve never been given advice to from other MARRIED men. If you had to settle you would never want to waste any money on a woman like that. That’s just a double loss. She’s unattractive and still costs money to keep around. Most men do want a 9 or 10.. 6-8 is what they settle for. Just because she is not a 500 lb troll, does not mean she deserves a brunch date or a decent engagement ring. Okay…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 01:35 AM
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Yes, but that’s also because a lot of men lie about their girlfriends and wives being cute. Be honest. 80% of men have average looking/unattractive girlfriends, that’s the real reason we take them on coffee dates. But men have lied to them by saying it’s “financially irresponsible” to take them to nobu, but in reality it’s because they are not pretty enough to be seen at nobu.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 01:33 AM
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The difference is that a lot of men’s girlfriends are average looking and aren’t worth a dime. That’s why she has to do anything a sex worker would do, but for free to gain male validation/relationship. The minute she expects her bf to take her to dinner or spend any money she will be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 01:31 AM
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Not necessarily emotional investment, it’s about attraction and her value. A lot of average men date unattractive/average women.. so of course you shouldn’t spend a dime on her. But most beautiful women can easily attract financially stable men that can take her to dinner without it stressing him out financially. The average woman can not attract this man. And most men have to settle, so looking at current couples (most are average looking) will still prove what I’m saying. Men have to be more h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 01:28 AM
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Most men ARE settling. This is why a lot of married men spend a lot of money on hott dancers at their bachelor party. Look at the average man’s wife or gf… do you really think that’s his first choice? This is also why a lot of men want to go 50/50… if we have to pay then we should at least get our dream woman. The thing is a lot of women can’t be honest about coffee dates. You guys try to frame it as a thing that makes you better than the beautiful girls that get taken to nobu. Or that it’s your…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:57 PM
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I’m sorry but the women who do that should not be your example. The girls who date men who can’t give her a comfortable life usually only do that cause she can’t attract a gainfully employed man in the first place. A chick who looks like Sofia vergara is not choosing an average earning 20 year old man or an average earning 40 year old man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:52 PM
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Don’t inflate these women’s egos lol, a lot of “whores” cost way more than the average gf. Thats the only reason why most average men have to date instead of just getting a sugar baby. These girls literally go 50/50 for fucks sake.. meaning they essentially sleep with men for free and still end up with no ring (placeholder gfs). No sugar baby is gonna fuck you for $0 a month, but a girlfriend will.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:49 PM
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No. Men need to start being honest. A lot of women are worth the investment (the attractive ones). The problem is a lot of men date average looking women that could never get signed to a modeling agency or land a millionaire. That’s the real reason why they get $5 dates. Not because of the man’s budget or finances. The dates that a woman gets is a reflection of her, she gets asked to coffee because she is not good enough to attract a financially stable man that can afford dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:48 PM
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I disagree. I would argue that a lot of men chase these average women on coffee dates on purpose. They don’t wanna spend money on the pros, and a lot of average women will fuck for 90% less. It’s evident in these comments by the ones bragging about how men only take them on coffee dates.. yeah that’s because no man wants to spend more than $5 on you. I wish men would be honest with these women. Stop telling them that it’s because you guys are strangers and start telling them that they get coffee…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:45 PM
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Because a lot of women are in denial about them. If a man asks you to coffee, that’s because you are less desirable than your female peers and are worth less in the dating market. I don’t like how women cope with this by framing it as if they’re low maintenance or a girl boss- no. It’s simply because you are not worth spending more money on, it’s not a reflection of the man. It’s a reflection on you. No man is taking a beautiful woman to coffee. The average woman is not beautiful, she is average…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:43 PM
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A lot of women won’t be able to figure this out. This is why a lot of single moms/undesirables/last options think they’re better than spoiled gfs, stay at home moms, trophy wives, sugar babies etc. They think the less money it takes to be with them = the better they are. When in reality that man could just be with her cause she’s free to fuck and keep around. It’s funny how women on here talk about how men just want casual sex blah blah but then they make access to them so cheap- meaning any man…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:40 PM
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In America, most women are mid and go to Starbucks or Applebees on the first date. A man paying for your $20 pasta is not the flex I was talking about. American men have no issue paying $30-40 when it guarantees him getting laid, and a lot of women are sexually liberated enough to think they are obligated to sleep with a man if he buys her that $20 pasta and $10 cocktail. Show me a mid woman that goes to Carbone or nobu for dates- and doesn’t have to go 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:01 PM
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It’s not revenge when women are already dating men that make them go 50/50. Show me one average looking couple, where the man had that much money to waste on a mid woman. Show me one average looking woman that goes to nobu because a man asked her there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:37 PM
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It’s not. Some women give it up for nothing, but other women don’t. It’s important to realize there are hypergamous women out here and then there are women that are not hypergamous at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:33 PM
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This is wishful thinking/coping lmao. Most of those girls probably had to transfer her half after. I know guys who never spend on their gf, but go crazy on other women that are out of their league. No “average” man has a $400 budget for something that is barely worth it. This is like saying the average joe is willing to pay $50 for McDonald’s fries, when those fries are worth $3.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:32 PM
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Here’s the thing. I’ve seen a lot of attractive women get taken out on $300-800 dates for the first date. It’s actually very common in Las Vegas and Miami. For average women- yes she will accept McDonald’s or Starbucks but the average man in this forum does not want an average looking woman. This is why I’m confused by the men that are unwilling to pay- yet they want the type of woman that other men want and will gladly spoil. Wouldn’t it make sense for them to date the women that no other man w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:59 PM
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Most men do not take women to expensive dinners. A lot of girls on OF (custom content, not the entrance subscription fee) literally cost more than most dates that average women are taken on. Just know some women charge $100 for a 4 minute video. Whereas a lot of women will go on a two hour date that costs $30 for her part. I also know some dancers charge $1000 for a private room.. just remember most women will never get $1000 spent throughout their entire relationship. It’s more about the women …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:53 PM
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Or maybe we have to pay for someone who’s not mid, and we are dating her for free cause she is mid and not worth spending on. Stop letting women control the narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:35 PM
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This is paranoid behavior. It’s unlikely that a woman will find out, and so what if she does? Like I said, a lot of them are just insecure about the fact that they are worth $0 to hook up with and keep around. It’s more embarrassing to be the placeholder gf that men keep around for easy, free sex. Also, most pros look better than the average man’s gf. This is why a lot of taken/married men still pay for it. You can date in your league or pay for actual attractive women that aren’t giving it up f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:03 PM
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Show me an average woman that has more options than an average man, but it has to be an actual average woman. (Meaning 80% of men will treat her like she’s average). She can’t have any nice features, and can’t be in her 20s. A lot of “average” men would have more options if they went for their league. Your league is not a woman that gets noticed by other men… a woman has to be somewhat cute or have a nice body to get glances. Nobody is admiring an unattractive fat 37 year old single mom and givi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:51 PM
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False. A lot of “prostitutes” are on IG or sugar dating sites. They don’t have a pimp. They’re also more picky than the boss babes that fuck for free and get pumped and dumped. Also most women would not be able to find out. Do you have any idea how many married men have Splenda or sugar babies and their wife still doesn’t know? Why would a single guy paying to hook up be found out?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:48 PM
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What’s the difference between paying someone and hooking up with a woman that’s free? One requires something, whereas the other one is willing to give it up for nothing to anyone. The women who will think you’re a pariah only think that cause no man would ever spend a dime on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 11:45 AM
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If there’s nothing wrong with men pursuing women for looks then wouldn’t you agree that it’s the same vice versa? Then these same men shouldn’t complain about the unfairness tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:03 AM
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One man thinking a woman is attractive does not make her attractive, that’s what hoeflation is. If she’s not conventionally attractive then don’t give her the satisfaction of a relationship or attention. But a lot of men still do this. If only attractive women were allowed to be in relationships, then 75% of women would be single. And they would be the ones pursuing and spending money on men instead. Yet men ruined this by going for the bottom 75% It’s not a stupid statement since 75-80% of men …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:09 AM
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Most men would not be able to choose an attractive woman in the first place. Attractive women are not with average joes, there’s not enough of them to go around. The average man’s gf/wife is average- that’s why she can’t do any better and she doesn’t have the pretty privilege of attracting a man that other men actually look up to. She has to take the scraps she can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:07 AM
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So? Look at the average man’s wife and gf. He is not attracted to her either. You realize most men are not dating models or IG models right? So why care if she is attracted to you or not? It’s very unlikely you’re even attracted to her, unless you are a high status man going for models… the average man and average woman worrying about attraction is stupid. You’re not Henry cavill and she is not Sofia vergara. The unattraction is mutual.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:57 AM
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But you would waste time and energy trying to court a woman to sleep with her? That doesn’t even make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:56 AM
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Those men make it hard for themselves by trying to court a woman. Why not just pay for a pro if quick sex is the goal? Taking the hard way and then complaining about it is insanity. There’s an easier way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:18 AM
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This chart is a bunch of BS. How can 46% of men be dating a woman that’s “close” to their type, when only 20% of women are conventionally in shape and attractive. No man’s type is an unattractive fatty. Some of those men have to be lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 01:47 PM
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No. If men were taking the easy way out, they would pay for hookups/relationships instead of spending so much time and energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 01:45 PM
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Yeah the okCupid study would imply that a lot of men think they can afford a certain restaurant, whereas the restaurant disagrees and refuses to lower prices. The men that adjust have less issues dating because they understand the women in their league are realistically the women who can’t do any better. If you’re an average joe you should not be trying to date women that are attractive enough to get a sugar daddy or get a job somewhere where they require the women to be pretty (hooters, country…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 04:01 AM
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Well it’s like going to a restaurant. Why would you go somewhere that’s out of your budget? Then you won’t be able to eat and they get mad if you can’t afford to tip. Men should go for who would realistically say yes to them.. not for women that have other options. If I decided to go for Sofia vergara then I would get shot down. It wouldn’t make sense that I blame all women for Sofia turning me down- if I was unwilling to be with my looksmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 03:24 AM
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It does because he’s the one choosing to approach and ask them in the first place. Why doesn’t he ignore them and reject them then?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 02:54 AM
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Exactly, men choose who to approach. He chooses who had the option to accept or reject him. Why give so many women this option?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 02:32 AM
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That you’re lying. You really expect us to believe there are women over 30 that are in shape. Is this is America?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 02:32 AM
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They’re in shape but older than 40? This entire post is cap
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:47 PM
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They do. Saying otherwise is like saying a fat 67 year old single mom can get more than 0-2 matches a month. If you encourage delusion on one side then you gotta apply it to both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:47 PM
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Men do 99% of the approaching. Yes, men choose. Men lead society, including relationships. Those women only have options because men gave it to them by being available.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:42 PM
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What she probably means is that men do 99% of the approaching, so yes he is choosing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:41 PM
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But Hispanic women are the most desired so I find it unlikely. She has a man spending money on her- other women don’t even get glanced at so that’s my point. How would you be able to get a man to spend money on you if you can’t get a man in the first place? And yes, because your mentality is exactly why women’s egos are inflated. Why delude them into thinking men will spend on them? Most are average looking and shouldn’t be expecting anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:40 PM
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Well Hispanic women are the most desired so that makes sense. If you’re gonna use a woman as an example then maybe you should consider a type of aesthetic that most men would not even glance at twice, instead of the most desired aesthetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:20 AM
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I’m talking about average looking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 02:40 AM
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Sure pal. How does she look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 02:39 AM
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This is unlikely for most marriages because a lot of women are 50/50.. no man is letting her spend his money (married or not)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:48 PM
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It doesn’t matter. So what? Fat women are told they’re beautiful all the time by other people that want to virtue signal. They still don’t have as many options as women that are in shape. Your desirability is shown to you in reality. And in dating, you are competing against other people. How are they a catch if other men get chosen 10x more before them? Those comments don’t mean anything. Because I have also seen women on Reddit hype up fat women with saggy chests and ugly faces. Being complimen…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 12:56 AM
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Nope. This is cope. This is like when an unattractive fat woman goes off about how she’s not fat or ugly. The point is the opposite gender perceives them as low value/not desirable.. that’s why they have less options. Men don’t decide if they’re “objectively” attractive or not that’s decided by the opposite gender. Same with women. Women who get less pretty privileges/less attention are less attractive (by the objective standard set by men)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 12:51 AM
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Quality men have a ton of options though. Shes not wrong about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 12:40 AM
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It’s actually more comparable to a woman that also isn’t good enough to be used for sex. Men don’t like unattractive fatties. Those are the female equivalent of men that have less options.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 12:39 AM
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This is exactly why there’s so many child free women now participating in hookup culture with Chad. What would she gain out of monogamy/having a child with a man who can’t provide financially or provide more looks/sexual attraction than Chad can?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 04:31 PM
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When I say overweight I meant any woman that’s bigger than a size 2. When I say saggy, I mean any woman that has breasts that aren’t super perky but big at the same time. Most men’s gfs and wives are overweight by this definition. Most men’s gfs chests are saggy by this definition. Which means the majority of men will have to settle for a fatty. You can scream from the rooftops that she’s not “medically” considered obese, but the point is other men will perceive her as obese if she is bigger tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 04:26 PM
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I said they’re either overweight single moms, or just overweight. Look at the average man’s wife/gf.. she IS overweight. This is why fit women can afford to pick and choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 01:30 PM
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I said they might not be single moms, but they’re definitely overweight by the average man’s standards. Look at the average man’s gf. She’s not a size 0, with a huge chest and a big bum. Most of those women have belly fat, a wider waist, saggy chests etc. I think you’re confusing insta models with the women that average men are typically dating in real life. When the guys on here consider a size 2 “obese”, then yes I would argue it’s extremely rare for them to get an “in shape” woman. You can go…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 01:29 PM
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If you look at the average man’s wife or gf, she also has no positive qualities. Just average/neutral, not anybody that any man would glance at twice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:59 AM
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Most women that have kids are not married or provided for. If they’re not a single mom then they’re overweight. The math does math if you go to an average date night restaurant (average prices) and look at the average couples there. Those women are usually overweight with average faces, saggy chests etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:58 AM
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Young beautiful fit women don’t necessarily belong with average men her age just because they’re the same age. What’s this average guys height? His finances? His social status? What would make a child free, in shape woman choose him over another man? Most women are overweight single moms. Yes, including women in their 20s. Men in this subreddit consider size 2 women obese. There’s not a lot of size 0 women with huge double dd knockers. That’s why they’re the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 05:37 AM
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No it’s not. You guys don’t know what an average woman is. Or an average man, an average man is not fit or put together. He has no positive qualities, he is neutral. That’s why his match is overweight single moms.. because naturally the child free fit women will go with men that have some positive qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 02:43 AM
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I believe ALL men deserve provider dads. And a low stress stay at home mom. That gives them the best advantage. And that’s what a lot of chads have. Too bad most men outearn women, and the women who act like that end up being single mom boss babes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 02:38 AM
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But he definitely wouldn’t be a provider. Meaning the mom would have to work full time, during her entire pregnancy as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:50 PM
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And yet most men in Europe still can’t afford to get one, so they have to resort to dating. I’ve seen the average Europeans man’s gf too. They’re usually average and flat chested. They can’t afford to bang an attractive big chested woman either unless they’re above average in income.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:49 PM
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It would cost more than $300… do you realize attractive women can get $400 dinner dates and they won’t have to put out at the end? Why would these women start having sex for $300? They could be offered more. The country I’m in, $300 is for low end unattractive street walkers. But they still look better than the average man’s gf/wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 07:08 PM
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So would you agree that a lot of men that have average looking moms, deserve deadbeat or broke dads?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:51 PM
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I’m bringing up dads because men are directly affected by the type of man their mom chooses to father them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:50 PM
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Depends, a lot of men actually were raised by single moms nowadays. A lot of men correlate a woman’s attractiveness with her children’s provision. With that logic, if a man’s mother is not young or a supermodel anymore then we can assume she wouldn’t receive a dime or any contribution from her kids father. This would directly affect men if their dads decide to leave their mom and him if she’s not an 8 or above. And yeah, that’s exactly why a lot of “average men” can’t compete with chads that wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:47 PM
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No. Women that are married to the average joe work 40 hours a week, even when they’re pregnant. Because she has to help contribute to the bills, or the father would most likely leave his children since he doesn’t want to provide more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:05 AM
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Exactly. This means that any man with an average looking mom is not gonna see a dime from their dad. You realize what that means for society right? And no, men growing up in single mother households still end up worse off than “entitled brats”. If you want to give your son a head start you would make sure his mother is as stress free as possible (stay at home mom)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:03 AM
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These men would change their tune if it was their own mother choosing a poor man to be their father.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:10 AM
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Are you suggesting that pretty women should only date providers while average men have to settle for slumpbusters? Cause then this entire subreddit would have to stop complaining about how only fatties want them. I disagree with you. Saying that an average woman doesn’t deserve provision would only imply that most AVERAGE men deserve to grow up without a provider dad/stay at home mom. Do you think most men deserve daily home cooked meals from a low stress mom and financial stability/help/nice li…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:08 AM
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Those women shouldn’t be the standard though. It’s funny that a lot of women and men bash single moms on here/slumpbusters with no standards but then they promote the type of behavior/choice making patterns that lead to that outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:05 AM
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Saying women don’t deserve provider husbands also means you don’t think boys deserve provider dads. Do you know the difference between a boy who grows up with a provider dad vs one who grows up in a single mother household? Again, this means that if you have an average looking mom then you should settle for your father not taking care of you at all. This is crazy to think that men deserve this. A mother not having a provider husband hurts the son more, do you understand this? Think of a man you …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 09:59 AM
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Average joes who make average money can’t necessarily provide enough for a woman to take off work for 1-2 years when she becomes pregnant. She would have to work the entire time, and those guys don’t necessarily contribute financially to their children. Because low standard women don’t require provision or commitment from their kids’ fathers. Saying that your fellow men don’t deserve a provider dad is insane when you think about how the current economy would require a parents help to buy a decen…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 09:58 AM
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It’s not that rare when most of our mothers and grandmothers were taken cared of. Single mom/single income households were not that common back then as they are now. Women having low standards affects OTHER men a lot, what do you think happens to a man when he grows up without a male figure that will teach him how to be a man? A woman can’t teach a boy on how to be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 09:56 AM
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What Chad do you know grew up in a single mother household? Chads go to good colleges, wear the best clothes, drive the best cars in high school, and join frats. This is very unlikely if they didn’t have a provider dad. Most women aren’t gonna be earning a CEO salary AND do the majority of the child rearing. Saying women don’t deserve providers also implies that most men don’t deserve to be provided for from age 1-25. The men I knew with a rich provider dad ended up doing a lot better than the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:41 AM
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Would you tell most men that they only deserve a dad that can provide a $50-70k childhood/lifestyle growing up? I don’t think so. Also, most chads grew up to be well off. Going to good colleges, joint frats, driving new cars as they get their license, this is not possible if they don’t have a provider dad. You would be dooming your son to be an “average man”, which is considered to be pretty undesirable because of the head start that chads get. (Provider dad/stay at home mom)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:38 AM
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With this logic would you also agree that average earning men should be okay with having no women, and all the pretty women share a higher earning chad? I don’t think another fellow man deserves to grow up without a provider father just cause his mom is a 6 to you. Think about it. Most men have a mother. Most of their moms won’t be supermodels, this would imply that most men would not receive a dime from their father from age 1-18. And this means they won’t have a father that will help with coll…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:34 AM
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Yes. Except the thing is you might think they’re good men, but women don’t because they might not be attractive or providers etc or whatever standard they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 01:26 AM
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Well that’s true but an unattractive “nice” guy isn’t necessarily considered or perceived to be a “good man”. They can definitely be taken and be in a monogamous relationship with a man. But not necessarily a good one
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:33 PM
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Well most women can’t get a man that will pay for dinner. So a chad that will fuck her and pay for dinner would be considered a win, when you consider the alternatives. There’s no guarantee that a below average man would pay for her dinner OR commit to her. And most women know what they’re doing. Don’t infantilize them. If they actually wanted a relationship they would have already chosen a man that has no other option (he might still not pay for the dinners though). But they pass him up on purp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:10 AM
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This is not true. Both 10 and 6 men want hookups and 10s. If anything I think women adopted the male dating strategy- that’s the alpha fucks beta bucks thing. Chads get “pretty privilege” the same way stacies do. Average women see average men pining for above average women, and realized they can actually fuck these chads instead of just pining.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 12:59 AM
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It’s not. Especially if she has a job. She can pay for all of her own things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 02:49 AM
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Depends. In a 50/50 relationship she would be contributing financially for half of the ring cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 02:07 AM
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Ok, I meant Instagram models. A lot of men don’t consider them out of their league since she’s not a “real supermodel” even if she has 500k followers and doesn’t even know him. They can’t get a match because they won’t swipe on their looksmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 11:47 PM
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You are talking about ugly women who can’t get glanced at. Thats not the same as an average man failing at dating cause he keeps going for models/sugar babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 11:20 PM
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I don’t see women complaining about being dateless and sexless on here. Men compete against other men, obviously the better option will win.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 08:53 PM
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What I’ve noticed is that the majority of dating complaints in this forum (from men) are due to them not wanting to be their looksmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 12:20 PM
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No they don’t. This sounds like a feminist fantasy. Most men are dating in their league which is why they don’t have to spend a dime on their partners… why would they spend money on a woman they’re just friends with benefits with? The same woman wouldn’t be able to get a date treated for by a long term partner or on a first date. It’s unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 12:17 AM
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Well then let’s say he doesn’t sleep with another woman, but he spends money on another one. Is that okay? If he never spends a dime on his gf, but still expects sex from her or it’s over. But he can spend money on other women he finds attractive. If most women are okay with this then why do women get mad when their husbands or boyfriends spend money on strip clubs and onlyfans? And let’s say he does sleep with someone else. Does this imply that his girlfriend’s only value is sex? I would argue …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:14 PM
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They definitely do shit on them. If you were spoiled gf then you wouldn’t understand. There are women who brag about how they don’t get anything from the men they procreate with, date, sleep with etc you know that right? They do that to feel superior over the women who do get stuff from the men they procreate with/date/sleep with. This is why single moms think they’re better than trophy wives/stay at home moms… because she’s independent.. and the other women are receiving finances/help/time/supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 12:49 PM
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Dude you and I both know the majority of women are not attractive enough to even get a dollar from their LONG TERM boyfriends. What makes you think a fwb would stick out his neck to spend that money on someone who would sleep with him for free? Men only do that for women out of their league. Most men aren’t fucking or dating supermodels, so no there aren’t gifts exchanged. There’s women that have been gfs for 4 years and they don’t even get presents from their boyfriends.. what makes you think a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 12:43 PM
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But they do “owe” him- they’re in a relationship. They’ll find another girl to sleep with if she turns him down anyways. And if she doesn’t owe him anything then why does he have to listen to her about not following other OF Girls on IG or subscribing to them? Why does he owe her that? With this logic I hope women stop getting mad at their boyfriends for sugar dating someone else or by spending money on strippers. He doesn’t “owe” you
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 12:41 PM
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But the women think they’re in a relationship. Why else would they be going 50/50 and then be getting mad at their bf following of girls on IG?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 11:20 AM
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Why are women dating these men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 10:43 AM
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Not really. I’ve noticed European guys will go Dutch with average looking European girls. But he has no issue spoiling an attractive Eastern European woman or latina. Women are just in denial about this since they all think they’re 10s
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:46 AM
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She wants to be the breadwinner/provider, and expects her man to be the birth giver/stay at home dad. Which is why she hates stay at home moms/women that embrace their femininity (aka women that don’t feel ashamed for taking off work to raise their kids.. even if it’s only for a week).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:08 AM
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Yes it’s a common theme amongst women. The hypergamous ones are excluded, obviously. But a lot of women compete with men financially, and try to prove they can be the breadwinner in relationships to other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:57 AM
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You can’t be serious. Women shit on - stay at home moms - wives that don’t have to work full time year round - spoiled gfs - gfs that get presents/trips/dinners instead of splitting the cost down in half - women that expect a man to pay for a first date - women that get free drinks at a bar instead of paying it herself - women that get into a club for free instead of paying it herself - women that won’t go on walking dates/Netflix and chill dates - women that expect something before having sex -…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:39 AM
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No they don’t. Your fwb was an outlier. Most women in long term relationships don’t even get a dinner paid for. And they like that cause then they can flex on women like you and brag about how they’re so independent while they point out how you’re depending on your fwb for food. That’s not how I or men think, I’m just pointing out how WOMEN think.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:22 AM
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Trading your body for a $50 meal vs a $5000 meal is still transactional. A lot of women think being cheaper means they’re better than the high maintenance girls. Meanwhile, they’re still being transactional because they wouldn’t give it away for free.. even though that’s what most men do or are expected to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:01 AM
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A lot of men have “starter” gfs or “placeholder” gfs. I’m sure you’ve heard of men giving a woman the bare minimum for years, never providing her with anything. Then he meets a woman he actually wants and desires, and is willing to give her everything he wouldn’t give to his ex. It’s why some men will date a woman for 8 years, while he proposes to another one after only a year of dating. A lot of women know this. Them being low effort/low cost is to compete with other women. This is why a lot of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:00 AM
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What about the women who trade it for trips, nice gifts, nobu, allowances etc? Why aren’t women willing to trade it for free the way men are? Cause if they were, men would not have to spend a dime courting, dating, and proposing to any woman
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:26 AM
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Well they’re not that wrong. I have buddies who have had starter gfs, or women they kept around for guaranteed sex. However, they didn’t have to pay anything cause these women had that mentality that they’re “equal” and are taken more seriously if they’re 50/50. However, they weren’t taken seriously. They were just easy sex. It’s cheaper and easier to do it this way than to go to bars and dating apps. Since these women are your girlfriends, they feel like they have to provide the sex anyways. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:24 AM
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They don’t have to compete. They can sugar date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:29 AM
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That would mean that women compete. Men compete against other men to become chads. Men compete so other women will “pre select” them. Lazy women who don’t compete end up with deadbeats. Lazy men who don’t compete end up with scraps.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:29 AM
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She’s a woman of color.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 03:15 AM
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So you’re saying he looks fake too?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 03:15 AM
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<image> Are they looks matched?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 03:10 AM
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<image> Is this couple looks matched?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:03 PM
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<image> Is this a looksmatch?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:03 PM
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How so? Even the guys in this subreddit say most women are overweight and unattractive.. if that’s the case this means most women won’t be approached and hit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:02 PM
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Well I’ve noticed that when I post fit women with huge breasts, the men on here hate on them. So we can assume that those women aren’t approached cause they are considered too heavy or mid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:28 AM
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Every man can afford to Splenda date, in their budget. Not everyone can afford a supermodel, not everyone can attract a supermodel.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 02:15 AM
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Most of the guys in this forum and gen z in general don’t want to pay for first dates. What makes you think they would pay for access to a hott woman if they’re already refusing to buy lunch?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 02:12 AM
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If women were smart you would continue to let them think this so your other fellow women can make a living for themselves. But instead you rather expose them, and now men will be more careful.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:33 AM
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But those aren’t hott girls. They can claim they’re a 10 but there’s a reason why - they can’t capitalize off their looks whether it’s online or in person - they can’t get a rich man to take care of them - they can’t get discovered by a modeling agency I think your logic contributes to hoeflation. No wonder why so many women think they’re hott, when they’re not. There is a reason why she is living an average life- she doesn’t benefit from pretty privilege and can’t attract sugar daddies or a gai…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:31 AM
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But those celebrity men aren’t complaining about gold diggers whereas the average man does. A lot of guys in here have said they don’t pay for first dates. And they think it’s unfair that Chad gets to fuck attractive women for free, but she requires dates and effort from average men. Men absolutely do care about gold diggers. If they didn’t. They would sign up for sugar dating apps instead of whining about their tinder and hinge results. The dating on tinder and hinge are free, so what are you e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:27 AM
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I would argue they have the money to Splenda date or pay to play. I have seen men spend hundreds on sports betting and losing. Or thousands on bottle service. What would be the difference if he spent those hundreds on a date/massage? Or if he spent those thousands on a sugar babe/kept gf?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:23 AM
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How are you gonna say this but then say men have $300k more than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:22 AM
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Yes they do. In vegas, bottle girls absolutely make that much. There’s a 17% fee attached to every table that is bought and for bottle service. A lot of the girls still get extra cash tips on top of that. And a lot of them meet their sugar daddies that way. The women who can’t, are simply just not attractive and are usually average looking. They’re cracking $70k cause they aren’t fit enough to be a dancer at spearmint rhino or a bottle girl at XS. They’re cracking $70k cause no man wants to give…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:21 AM
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But they have the money for Splenda babies. They can save up to sugar hookup 2-3x a year. And wouldn’t you argue they can get another job. They can work 60-80 hours a week instead of 40. If men make more money then women then this would mean all men can afford to sugar date. Or pay to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:05 AM
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I know attractive women in their 20s who already make $150,000 at their bottle girl or dancing job. And they usually also have extra because of sugar daddies. Those average women aren’t the ones we are talking about. Your income wouldn’t matter to them because most average women don’t care about money- that’s how they keep ending up with bum ass boyfriends. The attractive women are already making good money off their looks and usually already have sugar daddies. Even if you make $300-500k, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:04 AM
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But he probably wants a sugar babe and your hair stylist is it. If you’re a woman I’m not sure why you would reveal other women’s intentions like this. If it wasn’t for you, men wouldn’t be able to find this out. Wouldn’t you rather your friends husband not find this out?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:01 AM
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The thing is a lot of modern women don’t require payment. A lot of women split bills on dates and hook up for free- so it’s not as hard as you think right now. It would be if women could figure this out but they can’t. They have to flex on other spoiled women and stay at home moms by being free and and easy to access and keep around.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 12:57 AM
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No it doesn’t. Look at the average man’s gf or wife. Most men aren’t even dating an attractive woman, they have to settle for what they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 12:55 AM
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A lot of men in here do care. If they didn’t they would already be sugar dating instead of complaining about women banging Chad for free cause he’s handsome and then expecting provision from average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 12:55 AM
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Some women do actually already do this. Especially Russian girls and Eastern Europeans. It’s usually just American/canadian women who think spoiled women are the ones being settled for, and that 50/50 women are the first choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 10:33 AM
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You would have to pay anyways. What super attractive chick is gonna want to go 50/50 on every date with a man that she knows has half a million in the bank? They would assume you’re stingy or don’t like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:05 AM
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Then what are their body types?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:05 AM
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Why not just sugar date? A lot of highly desired women are still hypergamous. Even if you’re handsome they will still expect you to provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:50 AM
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Can we see how they look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:48 AM
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I never denied that lol a lot of men don’t need to spend anything on their wife or gf. The guys on here literally talk about that all the time. And yes they probably spend it on other women- it’s only the married and taken 50/50 women on here who aren’t aware of this. Some men won’t pay for a first date with you, but they’d gladly spend $500 on a stripper the same weekend. You’ll be the one that they expect sex from too, and they will view you as “easier” than the stripper since you basically ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:13 AM
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“My parents didn’t raise me to be materialistic or dependent on a man. Women can work and are just as capable of being the breadwinner. I’d be okay with providing for a man who’s unemployed, because men do that for stay at home moms all the time and I never see you guys calling those dependent, pathetic, unemployed, weak leeches out. If those women can get away with not working then best believe my man can too 🫶🏻” You can’t tell me that you’ve never seen a woman say something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:41 PM
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You never pay for your dates Ubers or food? Do you only eat at Nobu?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:40 PM
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These type of women should be okay being an average man’s gf. Same with Lauren Sanchez and Melania Trump. The fact that they’re not is exactly why men are going their own way. Hypergamy has destroyed dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:36 PM
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Okay then you proved my point. Average men want women who won’t want them back, because he would have to compete against above average men. This is exactly why most men are opting out of dating. Why is it such a crazy standard for a man to want an attractive woman to partner up with?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:35 PM
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Do you understand what low maintenance means? It means she would also be low maintenance about her appearance, so yeah it would make sense that they wouldn’t ask men to spoil them. They know they’re not worth it since they are probably average looking. You frame being provided for/spoiled as a thing that women choose.. when it’s not. Men decide what you’re worth. This is why some women get to be stay at home moms, and why other women have to work, take care of the house/kids AND cook or else her…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:34 PM
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No they wouldn’t date her. Men don’t like old women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:30 PM
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But all of that is irrelevant if those women don’t look as good as the women I posted. How old are they? A lot of women are super confident that they’re always a man’s first pick, even if she got settled for. You guys can’t even clock it, cause you guys seem to think that men hate attractive women. Why else would you be calling them thots? Yeah.. a man having to settle for his wife does not mean he owes her all of his money. If you guys actually had a problem with us spending it on other women, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:27 PM
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The guys I know in real life also prefer attractive women over average women. Doesn’t matter if they’re a doctor or a GameStop employee. They would all choose a fit, attractive woman over an unattractive fatty. Even if they’re short or fat themselves. You understand that just because a guy settles for a woman eventually it doesn’t mean he thinks she’s attractive right? This is why men tend to sugar date once they can. Or why some guys save all year for a Colombia or TJ trip. The reason why men l…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:25 PM
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Okay so why do women always argue with me about this? I know women who get no gifts from their boyfriends, but he would happily spend it on another woman, who think they’re so much better than the women who do get gifts from their boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:18 PM
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So you can’t give me examples? Do you think all average men prefer average looking women over attractive women? Do you think average salary men prefer overweight/average body women over petite, fit women that have nice boobs and ass? This proves you don’t know what men like. Yeah you can call them thots simply for being attractive but then explain why so many married men are okay with spending on attractive women but not on their average looking wife. Because a lot of men think a woman should be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:11 PM
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I don’t think that counts as throwing money at women.. a lot of men that don’t want to pay for dates spend it on other women… like onlyfans, dancers, and sugar babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:08 PM
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Are you saying that low maintenance women are the female equivalent to simps? I can see how this could be since low maintenance women are easier and cheaper to access and keep around but most men don’t find them attractive. It would make more sense for a man to improve himself, make more money and then date the woman he actually wants vs settling simply cause she’s easy and free to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 02:02 PM
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My friends are not an outlier. I would say the majority of the men in this subreddit, niceguys, and the askmen subreddit all have similar standards. Some men just settle to get married. It doesn’t mean they don’t see their wife as an unattractive, overweight, undesirable person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 01:17 PM
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It’s good enough for the guys who don’t see the financial investment in taking care of a wife
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:03 AM
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They admit this all the time. And if you were an IG girl who posted thirst traps, an onlyfans creator or a dancer you would have a lot of married men confess this to you. One of the most common comments I’ve seen under pornhub videos or on IG is “I imagine you when fcking my wife” “I wish it was you instead of my wife” It’s also obvious when women are settled for. Why do you think some men go 50/50 with their wife but sugar date once a year when they can, spend money on onlyfans subscriptions et…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 09:14 AM
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Women do exclaim that. You guys also claim that you’re attracted to balding heads, dad bods and underemployed or unemployed men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 09:09 AM
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You can get a placeholder gf to have your kids and the best part is you wouldn’t have to provide. They’re usually the independent 50/50 boss babe type
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:48 AM
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Lana Del Rey is not as young or good looking as Kylie Jenner.. why would you bring her up when she’s 40?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:47 AM
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Yeah and I know a former hooters girl who married a doctor. And you said average nurses and teachers marry this guy in hvac.. which would prove my point. Please name women that have a lot of beauty status… like Cindy Kimberly, Dina Khalil, or a hooters girl in her mid 20s that still looks good that would choose an average man over an above average one. Idc if a teacher or nurse would do it because most of those women are average and wouldn’t be able to attract a guy that’s better than an average…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:47 AM
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I meant both types of men want the most attractive women. You’re a woman, you have no idea what men actually want and who they end up settling for. Let me give you an example, go look up AidanaGates, DominiqueKalem, and KasiCelaya on Instagram… I know different types of men who have tried to get at them. You can look at their IGs and tell they are pretty, and live a pretty privilege life. That wouldn’t stop a janitor from wanting them. I also know married guys who go 50/50 with their average loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:43 AM
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The way looks and physique are prioritized in this forum, yes she would be considered a better catch than 90% of women. She was a supermodel and in shape…. The average woman is nothing like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:39 AM
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Even if he did stray, you would still be in a better position than most women I have seen. The difference is their boyfriends are unemployed, stray and she still stays.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:33 AM
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This post would not convince any young man to marry. You basically proved that it’s easier and better and cheaper to have friends with benefits or placeholder gfs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:28 AM
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Men that have resources have influence and status in society. Not sure why you’re denying that. It’s the same reason an accountant can’t marry a supermodel like Melania Trump because they would have had to compete with Donald Trump back in the day. It’s also why a regular man working in hvac or IT can’t date Kylie Jenner- you would have to compete with Hollywood actors. Timothee chalamet is dating her. Unless average men adjust their standards, they will have to compete with other men that have …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:23 AM
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It’s not. I have buddies that message Kylie Jenner on Instagram. Do you really think she will marry them? No. Now tell me how many average women look like Kylie Jenner, that would marry an average man working in HVAC? Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:20 AM
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My point is he has influence and status amongst his fellow men. But average men don’t have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:17 AM
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Tall, handsome, rich men that have status, influence etc over the majority of his fellow men. Think of like a 32 year old, 6’5 CEO whose father owns a sports team. He’s not an average man. Let’s say he wants women that are attractive… the kicker is janitors, average men, 5’8 men, etc also want a woman that’s attractive. The average men in here are going for the same type of women THAT other men want, except some of these men have status and influence over him. Let’s say back in the day you’re an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:11 AM
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Attractive high value women don’t end up with betas. With this logic, do fatties end up with Brad Pitt?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:41 AM
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Then this would mean most of the guys you are talking about in your post are omegas. If they don’t have better options than their current wife despite having money then idk what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:32 AM
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No, a beta can’t be a successful cute guy. If you’re successful and cute you could easily be an alpha since you have two traits that the majority of men don’t have. Being a beta means you submit to your fellow alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:27 AM
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I said bi. And they’re the ones wanting a woman that is full of testosterone, and acts like their father.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:21 AM
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I don’t think betas marry their dream girls. Mostly because above average women don’t get with below average men. Show me a beta who has a Sofia vergara as a wife. If he’s a beta- it would also mean he would make less than $60k a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:19 AM
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Most of the men in this forum have said they wouldn’t pay for a first date. Another guy posted a scenario. What would you do if you were talking to a Stacy at a coffee shop and she forgot her credit card? A lot of guys said they wouldn’t buy her a coffee cause it’s too expensive. Expecting a Stacy to date you, whereas you wouldn’t buy her a coffee on the first meet but still expect her phone number is delusional. Stacie’s get free cocktails at bars and lounges all the time. I’ve even seen other …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:12 AM
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I have watched a video before that addressed this. The argument was, some men want to go 50-50 with a girlfriend because they compare it to hanging out with their buddies. Or they compare their gf to their male mentors, and how hard working their dad is. Which is why they don’t want to provide. They want their gfs to represent their male figures in their life (friends, dad, uncle, grandfather) instead of the female figures in his life (mom, grandma, sisters, aunts) This is also why some men thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:06 AM
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It’s not bullshit though. He just thinks 10/10 sugar babies are meeting up and fcking for $300. Am overweight woman MariahMallad actually does make over $5k a month by chatting with guys on OF. She’s gained over a million followers on IG. Hes ranted about how too many sugar babies are out of his budget before. He’s expecting cheap and then complain if they’re average looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:02 AM
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Look up Mariah mallad on Instagram. She’s an overweight model on adult content sites and sugaring sites and she definitely makes over $5k a month. You know Splenda babies and project that on every other girl. Mariah has over 1 million simps on IG. Show me a woman you know that has more, that is making less than $5k a month from her sugar daddies, sponsors, simps etc
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:59 PM
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But the women that you guys are pursuing in the states are not the ones with crooked tooth and etc. you guys are going for IG models and models that take care of their appearance. The women overseas, some of them have that if they have money to fix it or if another man fixed it for them. Why are you guys going for the ones who don’t have that? The ones I have seen passport bros date don’t rival the models here.. they rival the overweight broke single mom cashiers, which aren’t the women that Ame…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:50 PM
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Chads aren’t getting with those girls. Do you know what a chad is? He’s most likely a millionaire, athlete etc. he has status, fame, resources and influence over the majority of men. He’s not gonna be talking to someone, that a GameStop employee wouldn’t even talk to. Show me any famous actor, millionaire, ceo that has lower standards than a UPS driver or janitor when it comes to marriage or sex. This is like saying Leo DiCaprio, Ronaldo, or Baron Trump is going for the same women you are trying…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:39 PM
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Men are the ones who do 99% of the approaching. What you’re admitting is that above average men are willing to talk to average women, whereas average men are not willing to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:45 AM
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But a lot of average looking men won’t go for average looking women. I’m talking about objectively average women, if you’re the type of man that is overlooked you should be going for women that are also overlooked by the majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:38 AM
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Being thinner doesn’t make her above average. I’ve seen passportbros gfs and their teeth was crooked and needed braces. Or she had bad skin, and her hair color was obviously done by herself. Being thinner also doesn’t mean she will have big perky breasts. Think about it. The women that men pursue in the states are the IG models/supermodels type.. that have hourglass bodies and clear skin/straight teeth. So if you went overseas, why would you be getting with someone who doesn’t have any of that? …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:35 AM
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There is. A lot of guys are single or don’t go on as many dates as women do. They are not dating as much as they would like
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 06:19 AM
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Liberal feminist 50/50 masculine independent boss babes definitely don’t do both at the same time. It’s insane that you’re suggesting that any man would ever even spend on a dime on a masculine woman who thinks she’s a man simply for having a job
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:53 PM
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So then why wouldn’t she date/fuck the guy that’s more successful and is spoiling her more? Doesn’t this prove the point on why women keep choosing the same men to casually date/fuck? Or why women tend to settle in marriages and have dead bedrooms? Is that that men want? They don’t want to fuck their own wives or gfs? And would prefer she fuck other men instead but it’s okay cause they’re “actually dating”?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:23 PM
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Most men don’t have that many options. And most women won’t tell you their real body count. Some won’t even tell you that they do onlyfans on the side, or escort on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:34 AM
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Most women aren’t just sending nudes to the man they’re dating. And you realize a lot of men share their gfs nudes in the group chat right? So other men still can see her naked but it’s just for free. Somehow this makes her better than the women that are selective enough to charge for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:32 AM
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Women that can’t attract a man that’s more successful than the average man. Shes plain and insignificant looking. She can’t attract a man that would put any effort into her or spend money on her. The type of women that doesn’t turn heads, and that all of your friends would make fun of you for. Family members will tell you that you could have done better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:30 AM
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Nope. Working at McDonald’s to make $1000 would require you to leave your house and clock in for hours. Some chicks just post lewds on onlyfans.. you know that right? They’re not posting videos of them fucking every single day.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:29 AM
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No they wouldn’t. I’ve seen the average passportbros wife and gf. They aren’t supermodels. There are actual models and etc in the phillipines and any other passportbro country, so why aren’t they going for them? Think about it. A lot of these men go for IG models and supermodels in the states. Some men even message Kylie Jenner on IG. So if they go to Colombia or PH- why wouldn’t they also be trying to get the female celebrities or models there? If a guy thinks he has a chance with Kylie in Amer…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:54 AM
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Compare them to the average woman who sends out her nudes for free and who will sext men for free. $0 vs $1000 a month is a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:52 AM
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Have you seen the average passport bros wife? Most of them would not be considered a 7-10 in America. Why travel just to settle for an average woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:48 AM
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This is because men want a woman they can brag about, and turn heads. If she’s average he will see her as a discount or on clearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:46 AM
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Most non western women are provided for. They aren’t like the independent boss babe liberal feminists here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:45 AM
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Asian women usually want a provider or someone gainfully employed. How would the average man benefit from this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:44 AM
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Women have more options. The guys could have hooked up with 90% of his opportunities. Whereas the women were more selective and disqualified 80% of men. If a woman decided she will fuck men indiscriminately, the same way men do. The number should be closer to a 100 a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:43 AM
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They complain but they still want those type of women for their aesthetic. Men want someone like Megan Fox to go on a walking date with them on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:20 AM
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That’s a lie they will say to cope. You can’t choose anyone over an employed man, if an employed man never approached you in the first place. Why are you feeding into these women’s delusions?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:17 AM
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You know damn well some women can’t get anything better than an unemployed guy. She’s not attractive enough for a guy to spend any money on her. Thats why no man with a stable job has ever approached her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:14 AM
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Sure but when a woman is conventionally attractive, she will get attention from most people. She can claim she’s pretty. It doesn’t matter if nobody else thinks so. It’s delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:11 AM
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The only women who think like that are the feminist liberal independent boss babe ones who give away their body for free. Any man can sleep with this type of women. That reminds me of the women who brag about their $100 engagements rings. They somehow think they’re better than the women who get $20k rings. But in reality it’s cope, they just can’t attract an ambitious man that actually has resources. These women often have to date at their level.. which is unemployed loser men. Ofc those men won…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:08 AM
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I don’t think so and men don’t care about that. The influencers take care of themselves in a way that most women don’t. Thats why men want them. They turn heads, and will give a man status by being seen with them. Most men don’t really want to be seen with a mid girl. In fact, some of your friends will make fun of you if your wife gains weight. Women don’t really have an idea of how much shit a man will get, if he commits to a woman that other men don’t find attractive. It’s called being a simp,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:06 AM
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Have you seen the average man’s wife or gf? They’re not attractive. Objectively attractive women turn heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:04 AM
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You realize most of the time it’s not the woman sexting right? They hire people for that. Either way why do men spend money to sext a woman out of their league? Most men in here claim they can get an above average woman without spending money
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:03 AM
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They don’t have to ask. There will be men willing to give it to them anyways. They have more than 3 male options you know that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:02 AM
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Most men definitely do want a woman that turns heads.. that’s arm candy right? When has a man in here ever said he wants an average woman that other men would find unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 12:58 AM
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There’s a huge difference because one of them has positive/nice/cute features. And the other one doesn’t. Above average: long thick hair, nice smile, nice body. She has something appealing about her that makes men want to look at her. Average: nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 12:44 AM
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How do you not connect the dots and OF and P0rn hub are the same thing. Except for one of them, a woman can set her subscription price and choose what type of content she wants to release. Where the other one is free to access. Men don’t dislike OF, it’s the payment part.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 12:41 AM
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I don’t think the whole “handsome men didn’t have to spend any money to fuck her. But she will make average men take her to dinner” makes that much sense. It’s less about the man. And more about what type of woman she is. Some women just put out for free, whereas others can ask for dates or gifts etc bc they are more attractive and have other options. I have seen plenty of chads that are at nice date night restaurants with a woman. Toca madera, nobu, etc.. the idea that chads are cheap with wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 12:38 AM
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If women and men are so equal, can you name 10 female US presidents cause I can name 45 male presidents.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 12:35 AM
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Why would they count them if it’s just sex? I thought redpilled guys don’t consider that to be a relationship or a situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 12:33 AM
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The last sentence is not true, if they wanted men as much they would bang 80% of their options. That’s a not a 50 body count, that would be a 200-400 body count increase every year. Majority of people that pay for escorts are men. Why aren’t women paying to get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 12:32 AM
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There’s a lot of eye candy on social media. Some guys thirst follow a ton on instagram and tiktok and will think that’s the woman they deserve. The logic is, they see which women they think look the best. The best is who they think they’re compatible with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 12:25 AM
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If you’re gonna settle- and give a woman resources, time, attention, energy etc… it should be with a woman that you think is a 9 or 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 12:11 AM
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Which is why it didn’t make sense you settled cause she’s gonna turn 50 too. When you could’ve been with a 9, that would turn 50 later
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 12:10 AM
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My friend has this type of an aesthetic and body going on. Look up AidanaGates, DominiqueKalem on IG. But the younger guys that asked her aren’t dating any attractive woman in this city.. probably because most attractive women here won’t go 50/50 or to Applebees on the first date. I would prefer my daughter to sugar date than to date guys who doesn’t even think she’s worth a meal. Look at the girls I sent you. Women like that are above average. Most average men are dating women that are either f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 12:04 AM
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Well do you think fat dudes should be dating skinny women? The fat women in that group, a lot of them have big breasts. Which men find attractive. If you’re gonna make this argument you should give an example of fat round women that have no breasts or ass. Show a woman with no nice features.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:24 PM
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But they have the same mindset you do about “rolling the dice” With that logic why wouldn’t women also roll the dice? At least they can fuck that guy and imagine him in the future when she’s banging her husband but most men can’t even fuck an above average woman or the female celebrities they message. Or the men who buy Sophie rains onlyfans and send her messages/tips on there? They think she is talking to them and they probably believe that she is flirting with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:21 PM
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I’m realistic and approach women in my league. Most of the men complaining don’t. Imagine if I said I’m only going to ask out women like Kylie Jenner and Kim k. I would also be getting rejected 5 times a week. And that would be proof that they’re not in my league. Why would Kylie Jenner say yes to timothee chalamet but not an average man rolling the dice? It’s cause she has better options. You can call yourself a 10. You can call her plastic and mid. It doesn’t magically put her in your league. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:17 PM
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Yeah but you don’t need a redpill to score those type of women that like assholes. They have low self esteem’s and are easy and free to access by anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:13 PM
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Men try to get women 4-5 points out of their league all the time. Why do you think average men follow and message female supermodels and celebrities? They think they will actually respond. I know a guy that would message Karrueche. Chris browns ex. He settled for a flight attendant with small breasts. He works as a busser and somehow thought he could date the same women that Chris brown did.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:10 PM
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A guy doesn’t get to choose his rating. His rating is based on the type of women he can pull. That 4 is a 2. That 6 is a 4. That 10 is a 8 There’s a reason why timothee chalamet can get Kylie Jenner. But the average man can’t. Even if he calls himself a 8-10. I’ve seen guys call themselves tall on here. Then say they are 5’8. Your mom and friends telling you that you’re a tall handsome rich millionaire doesn’t mean other women will perceive you to be one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:07 PM
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False. Look at the average man’s gf or wife. She is not attractive. 7s are attractive. Most men don’t have an attractive wife lmao most of the women I see men date have belly fat and small chests or saggy ones. They are 4s.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:53 PM
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That is delusional on his part though. Because he is approaching women that don’t find him attractive. He is expecting them to say yes. No man approaches women he thinks would reject him. The last paragraph is an example of social proof. That means they have a reason to think they’re not ugly. If they were, they would def get less attention. Show me an instagram of an uggo that gets as much attention as IG models. If you’re getting rejected 5+ times then how can you rate yourself on the same lev…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:51 PM
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A 7 girl and a guy with “no options” are not in proximity. If he has less options he would be in proximity with below average women (4s)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:46 PM
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It’s funny cause those are the guys who think 20-26 yo IG models are lusting over them simply because of his age. A lot of older men are in denial about being sugar daddies
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:42 PM
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It’s hypocritical of you to tell her that if you also believe that average men deserve attractive women. Average women are not attractive btw, or in shape. You either let both genders be delusional or you should tell both to be realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:36 PM
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So you assume all women are the masculine liberal feminist independent boss babe type?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:34 PM
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Those are two different types of women. The first type is the masculine, liberal feminist, independent 50/50 boss babe types. They do pay for their food and they gloat about this. You are out of touch. Some of these women brag about being single moms cause it makes them more “independent” than the other women who are receiving provision from a baby daddy or husband. They don’t expect men to provide. Some of them don’t even care if he’s a NEET. The second is the more feminine, hypergamous type of…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:33 PM
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This is not true. They have similar fantasies. A 5’8 man working as a janitor will think he can date an attractive woman. A 5’10 man working in tech will think he can get the same women that celebrities and millionaires get. There’s a reason why women in Colombia can easily target men who go there. Cause the men just assume that a 10/10 24 year old Colombian woman wants him for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:30 PM
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Because a lot of women are okay with being single, or being a part of chads harem. If you don’t think men should settle then do you think women should? With your logic, if an average man can go for above average women then it only makes sense that women can do the same. So why is OP complaining? Look at the average man’s wife. She’s not attractive. A fatty wanting a millionaire is delusional. But so is an average man that wants an attractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:26 PM
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Those women are their level. You have to adjust to the current market. It’s not guaranteed 1 to 1 monogamy in casual dating stages (any stage before marriage) A lot of men fail at dating because they aren’t going for their looksmatch. Matching is a mutual thing. The woman ignoring you can’t be your looksmatch. If she was she would’ve met up with you and slept with you by now. They are sleeping with someone else. Men compete against other men. Not women. So the concept of looks matching doesn’t m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:22 PM
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Just go for one of those liberal feminist independent 50/50 boss babe types. They’ll usually date any man as long as he is “nice” You are seeking out hypergamous women. Which is the opposite of the 50/50 type
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:20 PM
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They’re going for IG models, women with sugar daddies and etc. It’s very rare that an average man will realize he’s average and date average women. They only realize this when it’s time to settle down. That why the average man’s wife usually looks like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:17 PM
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The guys in this forum do it as well. Saying they wouldn’t date Margot Robbie or Rihanna, but look at the average man’s wife, she’s usually overweight and not good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:42 PM
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If you don’t require anything from a man, you will end up a single mom with a deadbeat. He knows he doesn’t have to provide. This is also why there’s a rising number of NEETS. Women aren’t requiring men to have jobs or cars to have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:37 PM
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Then isn’t that good that she’s being realistic? She’s more self aware than the average height/salary men on here who want a chick that’s in shape and attractive. No, their league would be a woman that’s neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:04 PM
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Online dating is easier for men cause of the abundance of Splenda babies, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:04 PM
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Men and women that get constant positive reinforcement from society will usually react back more positively
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:01 PM
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According to you wouldn’t online be easier since you claim all these girls are accepting small amounts for intimacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:51 PM
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I don’t think the red pill games the “system” The girls who like assholes, are usually easy girls that like any guy that gives her attention. And a lot of the 50/50 independent feminist liberal boss babe types aren’t looking for a guy that is “above average” in income and etc, that only applies to the % of women that are still hypergamous. Thats why you see 5’8 average earning men on here bragging about being players- they go on dating apps and have realistic expectations. They’re getting with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:49 PM
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I know guys who do this lol. You just know some cheap girls. They can’t even get a $100-300 for a coffee date? They can’t call themselves a sugar baby, if they always have to sleep with a guy for $500. She’s a low to mid end escort. Come to XS in Vegas. Book a $5k table and then ask the waitress how much would it cost to see her outside of the club.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:44 PM
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Are short brown men supposed to be harder to get, than taller men? I’m confused. Have you seen the average man’s wife? You don’t have to be that desirable to get an average man. If she said she wanted a 6’5, rich brown man then sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:53 PM
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That’s simply false. There are sugar dating apps where it only charges men to make a profile, or send messages. There are men who come into the nightclubs into my city, trying to sugar the model bartenders or model cocktail servers. They’re usually the ones who make the offers to them. It’s just a clear financial arrangement, whereas other guys are just providers for the woman they are dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:50 PM
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Why would she have to be all that to date a short brown man? Please look at the average man’s wife or gf- they aren’t necessarily getting the women that other men would like. Only about 10-20% of men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:42 PM
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Yes.. this is why it’s a good thing when a woman has standards and won’t fuck every single person. But then red pilled men would say her standards are too high. Do you understand? Some women require a ring and provision before having kids. Some of you would call that unrealistic and a gold digger. But when a woman has more “realistic standards”, then she has a higher chance of becoming a single mom since this type of woman doesn’t require looks, resources or commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:39 PM
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How is it not low standards? The point is she’s sleeping with a man that - hasn’t provided for her and makes it clear he wouldn’t be the type to provide for her or a child in the future -hasn’t commit to her and won’t commit Let’s say I was a random neet man and you’re the type of woman that would sleep with any random neet man. This means you would let me impregnate you. It didn’t matter to you that we never went on a date. It didn’t matter to you that I’m unemployed and clearly have no feeling…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:31 PM
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Yes but they typically choose bad male partners because their standards are so low. When you don’t require a man to have any positive features, and are still willing to sleep with them without a condom.. what do you think will happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:18 PM
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Not really. Some women stay younger looking for a longer time depending on their lifestyle and the procedures they do. I don’t think men can complain about hoeflation but then settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:11 PM
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A sugar daddy is a wealthier, older man that gives you financial support.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:10 PM
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Yeah, but men are surprised that WOMEN tend to set it at 6’0 or 6’2 Men call eachother tall even if they’re 5’10
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:09 PM
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In my city, there are bottle girls.. where their “sugar daddies”, simply just give them huge cash tips at the club. And they only hang out there. Obviously they can become more intimate but that would cost more. Maybe the women you know simply can’t get any money for a platonic hangout. They have to sleep for it. But even some escorts here can get paid a couple hundred just to go to dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:09 PM
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If you’re 40 looking for 18-22 yo, sugar dating apps would work better for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:25 PM
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Men don’t know what women consider handsome or tall. Thats my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:04 PM
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But then you wouldn’t be able to get the models that Leo gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 10:31 AM
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Yes but a lot of guys on here complain about hoeflation but then correlate success to dating a woman that would be considered mid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 10:17 AM
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It’s not about the quantity of matches but the caliber of women you actually meet up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 10:08 AM
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If it was that gross then why do they want the same women that Leo DiCaprio gets? How would they be able to get those women without paying? Leo has fame and status. What makes the average man better than him, to the point where a woman would pick the average one over Leo?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:46 AM
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And yet average and below average men still want to date her because she’s young, attractive, well dressed and fit. They would probably still choose her over the average looking, slightly overweight, plain looking women- those are also the same women that no sugar daddy or successful man would ever pay attention to. The type of woman that can’t turn heads anywhere. Which is my point about BOTH types of different men are chasing the same type of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:33 AM
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How do you know the men struggling on tinder are TALL (women don’t consider 5’10 to be tall, but men do) or handsome? A lot of men call themselves handsome and high value, but their dating life/place in the marketplace says otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:27 AM
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Then she wouldn’t be a feminist. A lot of liberal feminist boss babe independent types usually don’t like rich men or successful men since they feel like they are competing with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:26 AM
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A lot of women prefer older men so why would it affect their dating life if they don’t find guys their age?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:05 AM
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Most men are not neets. The men complaining about being lonely are only lonely because they are average- but refuse to go for other average women. I’m talking about actual objectively average women, it can’t be a woman that has more options than you. It would also have to be a woman that is lonely and has no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:03 AM
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Something that a lot of you women don’t understand is that the bald, overweight, unemployed 5’7 man you know wants the same type of of women that Leo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, Timothee Chalamet can date.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:01 AM
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Because a lot of men do not want to spend money. They want everything that Leo DiCaprio has (dating wise) for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:58 AM
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Well chads are basically the male equivalent to attractive, desirable in shape women. Men also prefer those women over fatty women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:57 AM
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The average man isn’t as desired as the average woman. So it’s not a good comparison. You can’t say they’re on the same level of a woman rather die single than date a certain type of man, whereas the man would date her instead of choosing to die single. There are studies showing that women find 80% of men undesirable. I don’t think there’s an actual “average” for men. You’re either desirable or you’re undesirable. If you’re desirable you will win at hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:00 AM
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Men in general bash single moms- but then also bash hypergamy. The reason why those women are single moms in the first place is because they have low standards. Thats why they didn’t require commitment, dates or provision for a man to nut inside her and for her to keep it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:47 AM
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Sugar daddies aren’t with 4-6s. Thats a feminist cope. Average women that belong with average men, are the same type of women that wouldn’t be able to get any slightly above average man. She wouldn’t be able to get a dinner date or a guy that could afford one. Most average men don’t want these women. He also won’t do anything for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:27 AM
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It will be treated as settling if she is not sexually/physically attracted to him. You also forgot that it’s also very likely that these men can not provide. If these women have to still work full time, it only makes sense as to why a lot of them are choosing casual flings with Chad. Because she is able to get wet for him, whereas she can’t for the average man. This isn’t any different from fat women competing with attractive, in shape ones. Fat women can’t ask for the same things an attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:18 AM
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This doesn’t convince me. Most men don’t want to be stuck with someone that they settled for, and if we lowered our standards then we won’t be able to find her attractive so I’m not sure how you are having intercourse with her. It makes you resentful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:15 AM
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I said that the guys are the ones settling for average women, because above average women can get better treatment or a better guy. You could argue that average men do the same. When they go for average women, they won’t do anything for her. So why should an attractive woman like my friend also date those men who want her to go 50/50? I mentioned that average women are the ones who can’t get sugar daddies. They can’t even get nice dates or trips from their boyfriend, because they attract men tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:07 AM
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When guys lower their physical standards, it is unlikely that we can truly be happy with our partner. She is not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:04 AM
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But a lot of guys want the type of women that sugar daddies want. Which is women that are attractive enough that another man with resources would pay for her. And that’s not true. A lot of sugar daddies are successful, older men that take care of themselves. Calling them unattractive is cope. They’re not average. Most average men would not be able to give a woman nice things in the first place. This is why most average women you see are dating men who don’t do anything for her. Can’t afford date…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:55 AM
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That’s my point. Why don’t doctors hang out with average men? Like janitors or any other job that makes $30-50k, since the argument in this forum is that less successful men have better character and morals. Which is why women should choose them to date. This would mean that if men cared about his male friends character and morals he would also choose less ambitious/successful men. Okay, and women want a man they find attractive and that they want to intimately be with. Otherwise that would be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:52 AM
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I live in vegas- a lot of the attractive women here have sugar daddies, if they want to accept an arrangement. It’s the average girls who can’t get one. They can’t even get a guy to take them to a restaurant on the strip. And the average women are the same ones who can’t get any “model bartender” or “model cocktail server” job. Average women are quite humbled here lmao but even the average men don’t want them. Wouldn’t this be arrogance on the man’s part? He wants the same women, that the rich m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:50 AM
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But the point is why would she choose guys that are also average looking, who won’t spoil her? If she has the other option. She is very fit and attractive, she invests more time in her physique than the average woman. She says it wouldn’t make sense that she has to work that hard to be attractive and dress nice to date a guy who won’t treat her the same way an older, richer man would. And in a way I think it makes sense. Those guys work too hard to settle for a woman with an average body. But th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:48 AM
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It’s not. When you ask women if they would choose a 50/50 relationship with a handsome guy or average they would say handsome. But they’re okay with being provided for if the guy is less attractive. So if you’re less attractive you shouldn’t expect to get treated the same way a chad would. Women make those exceptions for him because they find him desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:45 AM
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Nope. He’s not choosing the average woman because Stacy has BPD. He’s choosing the average woman cause he can’t. He wouldn’t be told to “do better” if he couldn’t get Stacy for a one night stand in the first place. The wolf of wall street was a chad. He had many options when it came to women. He wasn’t seen as an average man. Other men also wanted to befriend him and do business with him- why were those men choosing him over an average man? The truth is both men and women pay attention to above …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:43 AM
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It matters. Ask a man if he rather be 5’7 or 6’4. They almost always pick 6’4. They also look up to tall basketball players and see them as better athletes/more manly compared to the average height men that play basketball in their hometown for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:38 AM
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If an average man is expecting Chad or sugar daddy treatment then that is arrogant. You’re forgetting they get that treatment because they are providing something that other guys won’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:36 AM
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Okay, so if the average non sex worker woman preferred monogamous relationships with average men… then how do chads with multiple options exist? It means women are choosing him, over a monogamous relationship with another man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:45 AM
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No it’s not. Have you ever even seen in up close? Those women are okay with polygamy because they feel taken cared of.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:40 AM
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I said sugar dating, not sex workers. Also in the current casual dating scene, monogamy isn’t promised unless it’s defined and he or she made a commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:38 AM
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You are implying that 9 and 10 men are bad. This is similar to when fat, overweight chicks hate on supermodels.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:35 AM
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Look up the halo effect. Men that have height and status tend to treat the people around them better because they are not resentful, or have a chip on their shoulder. Men and women that constantly get positive reinforcement from society will react back positively.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:33 AM
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Exactly. And both genders have the freedom to choose not to. A lot of men are only choosing average women cause they lack options. However you guys forget that being in chads harem is technically an option. Now that women make their own money, they can afford to have casual flings vs marrying any man right away for stability and provision. A lot of men seem to only want to befriend other men they see as successful, handsome, smart. They aren’t choosing the men, that would be considered average t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:25 AM
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I’ve seen women also be okay with this. It’s called sugar dating. And their main complaint is that broke men cheat too, so that’s why they would prefer a rich one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:20 AM
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She doesn’t care to date them. She’s not the one asking them on dates lol. She simply stated that average looking/earning men have higher beauty standards than above average looking men/rich men that provide. If she chose the first type of men, she would be losing out on provision and being attracted to her date. There’s attractive men in their 20s who still pay for dates. There’s unattractive men in their 20s who cant pay for dates. They both want the same types of women. (Attractive and in sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:19 AM
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If you look at studies. Women don’t find 80% of men desirable. You are complaining about the women that are rejecting men for men that use her. If she’s rejecting or ignoring them we can assume she doesn’t find him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:12 AM
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No they don’t. If the guys on here were aware that resources and height are an attractive trait to have then why are they constantly surprised that the men with height/resources get more women? Casual dating is not guaranteed monogamy. This means some men can have 50 options, whereas other men can have 0-3. Men and women have different ideas of who the desirable men that have multiple options are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:06 AM
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“Used and thrown away” dude it’s casual dating. People don’t have to date for a monogamous marriage, unless they want one or need one to survive. Most women nowadays make their own money, so let’s say they want a fling to have fun with. Would she choose to fuck a man she’s attracted to or would she choose to fuck a man she’s not attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:04 AM
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Some sugar daddies are handsome and fit if they took care of themselves. They certainly have the money to. Yeah my friend says she prefers her sugar daddies over those men her age anyways- them looking better or younger won’t make her want to go 50/50 in a relationship. That would only work for women that prioritize looks, and a woman that prioritize looks are gonna be chasing chads, not the average men her age. Average men in my friends age also have higher beauty expectations than the rich men…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:03 AM
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Getting attractive women, getting your pick in the dating market. The women you don’t want are the ones that have to find a less desirable man than you. Having options. Having women throw themselves at you. Having women choose you over other men. Having women perceive you to be in a “top %”, so you can use that to flex on other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:59 AM
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Yes, men on this forum assume it’s the opposite. Which was why dating apps and etc surprised them enough to become red pilled/black pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:58 AM
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A $60k man is not rich lmao. But he is still a better option for her than a $40k man. And with your last sentence, doesn’t this mean that a woman can look down on her bf if she’s more attractive and has more options and attention? A man making less money than me can still use woman. There’s nothing more virtuous or attractive about his appearance simply because he makes less money. You are implying that men who work harder/more qualified are toxic, or look down on women for choosing them over a …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:57 AM
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Yup, any guy can be an average guy as long as he doesn’t look like a troll. But a woman can still be considered below average even if she doesn’t look like a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:51 AM
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How is this different from men choosing attractive, in shape women over an overweight, unattractive women even if the first woman has red flags?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:49 AM
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I disagree. A lot of average men on here are expecting Chad treatment. Chads are desirable and attractive to women, average men are not. So why do average men expect the same results that chads get if it wasn’t arrogance? Also, a chads dating/hookup pool and an average man’s dating/hookup pool is not supposed to overlap. Thats one of the main expectations I see on here from men. How is that not slightly arrogant?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:48 AM
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If a woman is gonna choose to fuck on the first date- who is she gonna pick? A handsome tall rich man or an average man?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:46 AM
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Maybe men perceive him to be attractive but women don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:45 AM
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You can say the same with women. Women that have options tend to exercise those options which is why they can afford to pass up the average men you are talking about. If you read about the halo effect, men that are seen as handsome tend to treat people better cause they don’t have a chip on their shoulder or the urge to compete with one/compare himself to one. He knows he’s competing against other men in the dating market, not the women themselves. Whereas I’ve noticed a lot of average men seem …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:45 AM
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Unless he is bi or dates men- he has no idea what a “desirable” man would be in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:43 AM
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Women have told me it is. It’s the same with the sugar daddies. The rich man willing to finance their life finds them attractive enough to do it. Whereas men her own age that want to go 50-50 thinks a woman has to be a 10 to deserve a free meal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:42 AM
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Nope, he most likely doesn’t have Stacy as an option. If she can attract $60k men (plural) and one does her wrong, then she can find another one to give a chance to. It doesn’t mean all $60k men are bad people, or worse than $40k men. A man making $20k less than me, does not guarantee that he will be nicer than me or have better morals. It also doesn’t suddenly make him a catch, simply cause he makes $20k less than other men. Your posts imply that men that work harder in their workplace/get prom…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:41 AM
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Yes, men tell other men that they’re attractive even if they have no job or height. It’s not women telling them this. Yes women prefer lunch/coffee/dinner dates whereas men prefer Netflix and chill dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:37 AM
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If women find them attractive then why are they getting no matches/attention from WOMEN on a dating app? There’s a difference between men telling you that you are attractive as a guy vs women finding you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:36 AM
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So you think every 9/10 guy is a loser? Go read about the halo effect. It’s actually more likely that a 9/10 guy will be treated better by his male peers/managers in the work place and he’s more likely to get a promotion from ANOTHER man, compared to an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:35 AM
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A female friend has told me that her sugar daddies have always had more realistic beauty standards than the men her age (20s) And that the sugar daddies will pay for everything and give an allowance vs the men her age who want to go 50/50. There are Chads that are arrogant and want to use women sexually. But the thing is there are also average and below average men that are the same. Does it make sense for a handsome, 6’5, athletic 27 year old man who has a rich father to be arrogant? In compari…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:32 AM
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Do you have proof that other female humans find those men desirable and as handsome as you are claiming that they are? I can also claim that my friend is the best attorney in Los Angeles. If he had no clients, would you still believe my claim that other people find him to be the best attorney in Los Angeles?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:28 AM
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Yes but they’re only dating those overweight women cause they can’t pull an attractive woman who’s in shape. So it will even out. Men can just go for the women that can’t attract a man that’s more successful than he is. If you’re a man making $40k a year, don’t go for women that can attract a $60k man. Another difference is that women are willing to be single instead of settling. Men can also do the same and only date the top 20%-40% of women. If he can’t get one, he should stay single. This wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:26 AM
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If a man looks good it means he takes care of himself and invests time, energy, resources into his self care. How is this not a positive aspect? If a woman never took care of herself she would be considered a slob. And you wouldn’t call that a positive aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:23 AM
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Are you bi? How do you know those guys on tinder are “attractive looking” to the gender they’re trying to pursue? It’s easy to claim you’re a 10. But your results say otherwise. If a woman told me she was attractive, but got 0 attention online or at a social event I would assume she is lying about being attractive to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:22 AM
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A rich man is like an in shape, attractive women. I can also argue that a woman can be a good partner if she’s overweight. But it seems like a lot of men would choose an in shape woman if he had the option to. The only way to prevent women from liking wealth, is if men with resources and wealth stop dating and competing with average men. Just like how the only way you can force a guy to prefer overweight women is to make sure he has no skinnier options to possibly choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:19 AM
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A lot of straight men won’t be able to tell you what kind of man a woman would find undesirable vs desirable. For example, I’ve noticed most women prefer taller men over short. Financially stable men over men that aren’t financially stable. But men will think it’s the opposite. If you ask a woman or man to describe a perfect date, a woman prefers to meet somewhere in public.. even a nice restaurant. Whereas a guy will prefer somewhere private, with no food involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:17 AM
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I see men on here blame women for thinking a rich man is better than a poor one. But if you ask a man would he rather be rich or poor he will most likely say rich. I’ve heard men say that only attractive women are allowed to prefer rich men. But then doesn’t this mean that the only women who should date broke men are the ones who have no other option? (Objectively unattractive women)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:14 AM
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Yes. He said slightly above average. Which means she’s probably cute or has a nice feature. Actual average women are average. No nice features, nothing about them could be considered cute or nice. Nothing negative to say but also nothing positive to say. Plain, insignificant, regular. SLIGHTLY ABOVE average women are desirable- that’s why everyone wants to take them on a date. He is not talking about average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:12 AM
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Is it about being out of rich or is it more about men not wanting to provide that for the women they choose to be with?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:07 PM
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Why would she have a problem when we have already established that chads and average men are perceived differently? How likely is it that she made a post directed at 5% of the male population (chads) vs the other 95%?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:30 AM
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Chads and stacies are different than average men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:26 AM
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He’s not talking about average women. Most of these posts are not for average women- so it’s redundant that you would say that His point is THE WOMEN you would want to date or commit to have other options, because they’re attractive. We are not talking about 1) average women 2) women who don’t have other options These are not the women that men care for or glance at, so why would it matter tot he majority of men if they’re “commitment phobic” or not. You can’t be commitment phobic if nobody from…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:25 AM
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Above average women can benefit more than just getting an easy lay. Average women probably get the same amount of messages that an average man gets, and since every average man in here claims he can get a 10 to go on a Starbucks date with him and put out for $0, I can assume that average women can also fuck Chad if she buys him a cup of coffee. There are gay dudes who offer themselves up easily to straight chads and even the chads will take their offer sometimes since it’s cheap and easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 04:11 AM
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Yes they can. I know attractive women that are sugar babies in Vegas. Or they get asked out to nice restaurants all the time. I’m not talking about average women with small or saggy racks. Or women that have acne. I’m talking about women that have hourglass figures, and do their hair and makeup and are always put together. Theres no way you think hott 25 yo chicks with 32DDD tits are going on the same McDonald’s dates as the regular, average overweight American woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 04:08 AM
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Nope. It’s funny what women will tell themselves to cope. There is a reason why he would never want to spend more than $5 on you for a first date. It’s the same reason why men don’t want to pay $50k for a beat up Honda. Men can tell if a woman is desirable- and if she would ever have the opportunity to be wined and dined by another man. We can sense that some women only get taken to Starbucks or McDonald’s, or she is the type that wouldn’t even be taken out in public so why would we offer someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:46 PM
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Depends on the woman. Some can definitely get expensive dates because they attract men that have money. The ones who attract men with no money are the ones that can’t get a dime spent on them. Men aren’t taking 10s to Starbucks. They’re taking the 5s who believe they’re 10s.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:43 PM
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Nope. She gets what she’s worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:39 PM
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The ugly women I see on fb don’t have that many comments or likes on their pics. So I would need to see an example What you sent me, those women get like 1-2 compliments a post. How would that pump their ego up if it’s just 1-2
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:38 PM
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So you’d be okay with your gf having other options and dating them?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:16 PM
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How would a man become more attractive by changing his approach? If this is true then why does the average man’s gf look like that instead of Sofia vergara?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:11 PM
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Above average women require more than charm to sleep with them. Or they’re the dumber ones who are cheap to access. I know attractive women who ask for money because they know they can get it. If sweet talking her is all it takes then I would argue she probably has daddy issues and feels the need to get approval by sleeping with any man that asks. Why would an above average woman behave the same way a below average woman would? One of them is desired, the other is on clearance. It doesn’t make s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:09 PM
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Maybe at Starbucks or McDonald’s. How is that gonna pump up their ego when it’s obvious the man doesn’t actually find her attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:00 PM
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Can you show me an Instagram where the girl is objectively ugly but still has simps?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 04:00 PM
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Depends on the women. I know some who don’t wanna be in a relationship if it’s the 50/50 kind or if it’s the kind where her bf wants her to stop going clubbing/miami without him. And some women are only desperate for a relationship cause they have no father figure and need male validation from ANY one they can get it from. It’s different when you deal with women that have a father.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:59 PM
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With this logic this would also mean a fat chick can become attractive by just changing her approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:58 PM
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Yes but they’re virtue signaling. They know damn well that 10s aren’t going on McDonald’s dates. They act oblivious to how much money men spend on dating, because they are free to access themself
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 12:47 AM
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Would you also agree that women love broke men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 12:29 AM
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That’s what I noticed. If you even mention something like women want a gainfully employed man, and that the attractive women with options would choose a nice dinner date with a successful guy over a coffee date with a neet, the independent liberal feminist boss babes will reply saying that they actually prefer coffee dates with neets and how they prefer men with less income, no real estate, less resources in general. You could say something as obvious as a lot of models and pageant queens won’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 12:25 AM
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Well I think it’s okay to not want to provide for an overweight woman, because she is not in shape. And would never be able to attract a man that could provide, which is why I’m confused on why you think men like thick women. Sure, men like women with big breasts, no waist/no tummy and a big bum. But the average man usually ends up with a woman that has some tummy/waist/back fat. Most men don’t like bigger women unless she is only bigger in the breast and bum area. My point was if you want a gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:08 PM
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The women who aren’t hypergamous are the single moms you are talking about. They have kids with men who don’t commit or provide for them. Thats why they’re in the position they’re in right now. It’s also the women who choose unemployed men with no cars, and then complain once she gives birth that he isn’t contributing financially. Basically, they choose the worst option they have to reproduce with. It’s unfair to the child that they have an unemployed, car less dad simply because their mom is wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:59 PM
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There aren’t enough child free, in shape, attractive women to go around for each man to have ONE for a MONOGAMOUS relationship either. I’ve seen what the average man ends up with. It’s usually an overweight single mom. (When I say overweight I’m talking about by purple pill mens standards- meaning she is bigger than Rihanna and Margot Robbie)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:57 PM
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Women do the same thing, yet most men still go for the women that have options vs women that don’t have options. It’s hypergamy, on the woman’s end.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:55 PM
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Are you implying that women have low standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:52 PM
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Men called Margot Robbie and Rihanna fat. Are you aware that the woman in the pic is bigger than Margot and Rihanna?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:29 PM
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If you say she’s hott then you would have to admit that men contribute to hoeflation, but then complain about it. Go look up Sofia vergaras body when she was in her 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:29 PM
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Skinny women can have hips. Her legs are not thick.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:27 PM
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Not really. This forum doesn’t like overweight women. There’s a post about it every other day, about how women like the one in the picture are too entitled by acting like she has options.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:26 PM
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What curves? She is petite and skinny
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:25 PM
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How do you not understand that’s exactly what inflation is? You’re a sucker for women that are not models. They are regular and normal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:25 PM
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But you said she was overweight. Those two don’t overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:24 PM
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How would an overweight woman be considered attractive? Give me examples of some.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:24 PM
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This makes no sense. Cause there are women with bigger racks but smaller waist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:23 PM
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Why would you bang an overweight chick?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:23 PM
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Yes.. The woman in the pic would be considered overweight and you still thirsted.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:22 PM
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No. How would her face matter more than her body?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:21 PM
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I meant overweight as in unattractive, or too big to bring on a date in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:20 PM
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You would bang a chick you think is overweight?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:20 PM
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Do you know what hoeflation is?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:19 PM
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Yeah but women can have big assets with a stomach and waist that’s smaller than the one in the pic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:14 PM
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You would bang an overweight woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:02 PM
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That’s all it takes for a woman to have a “nice body”?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:02 PM
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<image> Is this considered overweight for a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:53 PM
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Read my flair
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:53 PM
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<image> Is this a Stacy build?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:51 PM
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If it’s normal then why do marriage stats say otherwise? What age gap do most couples have? Is it 15+? You’re basically pumping and dumping those women. They are in the prime of their life and can’t get a ring. This is why men make fun of them for being leftovers. They get used up by an older guy, can’t get sugar, and then they end up single and 26 cause they can keep a man. It’s not the most common age gap way of dating. A lot of men are sugar daddies but lie about it. And what does it say abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:36 PM
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I don’t believe these girls are hot because there’s a reason why they can’t get sugar. Deep down, there’s a reason why you think they are unworthy of receiving something that is so easy for OTHER women to get. No man wants to spend a dime on them. And she literally took a month to reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:27 PM
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Show me the marriage rates. The fact you didn’t marry any of them tells me everything- they weren’t attractive and were easily disposed. Imagine being at the prime in your life- and you can’t even get a 40 yo man to give you sugar or a ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:18 PM
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Going on a date is not a long term relationship or marriage. Show me the marriage stats where this is common. I know girls who swipe on older men on tinder for the nice dinners and for potential sugar. Again, show me these married 22 and 35 yo couples. Because casual dating/sugar is not real attraction. Those men fck milfs because they’re easy. Younger women like going on nice dates, that doesn’t equal genuine attraction. I know a 50 yo guy who says the same things as you. He has an acct on a su…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:13 PM
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Most attractive young woman date older for sugar dating. Show me one couple where the girl is 22 and the guy is 55 and she actually is attracted to him. And show me a man who’s 40-60 that has more hair or is in better shape than a 30-35 year old. This is cope. Because if it was true, more married couples would have a 20 year age gap. Instead, it’s just sugaring. It’s not real dating because they stop seeing you once the allowance stops.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 12:27 AM
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They don’t understand that it’s sugar dating. They need to research how much an older nobody man has to make to be a sugar dad and give allowance. Paying for an expensive date can get her there for the food. But a lot of those girls will treat it as a platonic thing. That’s not real dating. A lot of men want to be sexually intimate. Well they should go look up how much an escort charges an older client for a hour, or how much it would take a sugar baby to sleep with you. The average working clas…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 12:22 AM
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That’s called sugar dating. Not regular dating. Not every older man is Rich. If this was true, half of the male population would be in the millionaire class and not the working class.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 12:19 AM
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No, you can’t be top anything at 40 as a woman. Or if you LOOK over 30. A lot of women have cellulite or stretchmarks meaning you guys can’t hide your age.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 11:54 PM
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Men don’t care about how much money you make. And that’s cope. You can’t be top 30% at 40 when most men would not date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 11:49 PM
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Men have standards as well, women just shame us for them. And it’s not elbows. Most women simply don’t have a hourglass figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 03:56 AM
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And what type of women are you attracting without saying anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 02:12 AM
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How old are you? And how tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 01:59 AM
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20-40? How can a woman be in the top 30% if she’s over 25?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 01:58 AM
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What makes a woman top 30? And top 10? Men were calling Margot Robbie and Rihanna ugly and fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 01:41 AM
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And there’s a reason why he wouldn’t want to commit to her long term. He doesn’t wanna be stuck providing for her or that child. He can dip easier, since he’s just a bf.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:40 AM
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Why does it bother women so much that other women are provided for and aren’t single moms?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:14 AM
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This is not true. Look at all the women in this forum who brag about being independent 50/50 single moms They literally put out for a coffee, and laugh at the girls who get taken on real dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:32 PM
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Yes, cause she thinks it’s a flex that somebody wanted to impregnate her without a ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:31 PM
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What makes you think single moms don’t raise spoiled brats? Again, most single moms are more stuck up than any stay at home wife/kept gf I have come across. If anyone is gonna raise spoiled or entitled kids it would be them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:18 PM
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I am. What’s wrong with babymama culture is that it encourages women to think it’s a flex to be a single mom, in turn they will hate on women that can get provision and a ring. And it leads women to believe that a child with a stay at home mom and provider, active dad is somehow worse off than a single mom doing it by herself. People also hate on babymamas because you guys have higher standards than child free women in the dating world (it doesn’t matter how a single mom looks like. They think b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:09 PM
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They’re proud of it because they’re told being “independent”, doing it all yourself, paying for everything yourself makes you better than the women that have a man willing to help and provide for his kids. I’ve actually seen single moms call stay at home moms “leeches”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 10:49 PM
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And you’re forgetting that single moms are a lot more stuck up than stay at home moms/trophy wives. They think it’s a flex. Thats the main reason why I think people hate on them. They’re stuck up, simply for the fact that they do it “by themselves” instead of having help/provision from a man. This is why they look down on women that receive things from the man they’re involved with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 10:44 PM
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You showed a couple tiktok videos. I’m talking about the majority of women in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 10:42 PM
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Maybe that’s because being in shape is more rare than being overweight? Yeah I wouldn’t expect overweight women to have high standards for dating either because they’re not used to men picking them as a first choice. When they do, that’s what men call hoeflation. I’ve noticed women of healthier bmis want to be taken to restaurants, whereas overweight women are okay with fast food restaurants or just Netflix and chilling for the first date. They’re kind to men to compensate for their weight. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 10:40 PM
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There are women with fat asses, that have small waists. Those are the women that other women tend to hate on. If overweight women were all that, they would be the beauty standard. Some men also perceive overweight women to be easier and cheaper to access. It’s perfect for the men who don’t want to spend money wining and dining attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 10:26 PM
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Men don’t like overweight women. In my experience it’s always women telling OTHER women and men that men like single moms and overweight women. And it’s usually women that hate on stay at home moms, married housewives, women that get provision/commitment in general, fit women, women that are petite or smaller
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 10:17 PM
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Baby mamas are the main women I see hating on other women. They’re the main ones who hate on stay at home moms, spoiled gfs, girls who don’t pay on the first date. They always find a way to bash those women and talk about “but they’re not independent”. There’s a difference between being provided for by a good man who likes you and being financially independent and a single mom because you can’t attract the type of high quality provider man that other women can. I would believe that baby mamas we…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 10:15 PM
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Women are the ones that made up the term “medium ugly” to claim they don’t like guys with cute faces
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 12:45 AM
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Because this forum complains about the same thing over and over
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 12:44 AM
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Because they’ve been conditioned by society to expect high quality women that they can brag about amongst their male friends and peers. (especially women. Don’t you guys always say you’ll be with a short, balding, fat, unemployed man and pay for him as long as he treats you nice? You guys also post overweight men and hype up their “dad bods”, or short kings, or how you prefer going to Starbucks and a ring pop engagement ring over real dates/a nice engagement ring)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 12:25 AM
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Because a lot of below average guys rate themselves as average
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 11:57 PM
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It doesn’t matter what they think of themselves. How does the opposite gender (women) perceive them? Do they find them desirable? Do they think he’s a chad? If they view him as average why would he expect Chad treatment/results?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 11:51 PM
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It’s okay to admit that women don’t have genuine attraction to average men. Because men also don’t have genuine attraction to average women (average face, average rack, average size body). He’s settling for her. Ask most men and they will admit they’re settling, or because they can’t get an actual attractive woman since she has options.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 11:50 PM
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That’s only because average men are expecting Chad treatment/results. If you’re not a top 20% man, stop expecting attractive women to choose you. You are not considered average to women’s eyes, it would only make sense that you go for other average women that are also NOT considered desirable to the majority of men. Men need to realize that’s their actual looksmatch. If men rate 50% of women as desirable, but women rate 20% of men as desirable. This would mean being in the 80% puts you in the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 11:47 PM
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It’s mostly women who say that. Lol I’ve seen women call other women gold diggers for expecting a man to pay for the date and then they brag about how they go 50/50
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:00 AM
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Those men settled out of desperation, or pressure from society to get married and start a family. Most men don’t want either of those. That doesn’t mean those women fit their standards. It doesn’t mean they would stoop as low as the men she named.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:16 AM
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Are you a man or woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:14 AM
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She’s not. But the average man has higher standards than the men you named.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:48 AM
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Yes but a lot of men have higher standards than bill clinton. Don’t you remember it going viral, when men were saying that Margot Robbie was ugly and fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:47 AM
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Nope. Only about 10% of women are attractive. I would argue that men are swiping on 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:46 AM
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Those aren’t the average man. I know some girls that are sugar babies. They’ve even told me that broke guys their age (20s) have higher physical standards than actual rich men. The average man in this forum has argued with me saying that Kylie Jenner is unattractive, and that they deserve a better looking woman than TIMOTHEE CHALAMET, a rich and handsome actor. The average man in here also thinks they deserve someone better than Lauren Sanchez and Melania Trump. This implies they have higher sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:45 AM
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If men wanted average women, this forum and hypergamy debates would cease to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:35 AM
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Most men aren’t elite. They’re average. And yes, most average men do want a 8-10. The average man wants hard, 40 hours a week and puts in more effort to be in a relationship. Don’t you think they deserve someone that turns heads?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:35 AM
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Men don’t swipe on 40% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:34 AM
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Sluts and picky don’t belong in the same sentence. Sluts fck everyone, not just the hottest guy in the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 02:12 AM
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You’re giving them way too much credit. Those men can’t find dates because their standards are too high to get with a low hanging fruit that takes compliments as payment. They’re not attractive, that’s why they put out for any ounce of attention. They usually want the women that don’t give themselves away for $0.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:43 AM
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You talked about them in your post. You’re out of touch if you think theyre sleeping with men easily cause theyre special. It’s not about you, it’s about them being easy and free and desperate for any male touch and validation. You’re giving them too much credit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:38 AM
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Back when I went for the easy 50/50 women that you’re talking about, I slept with a lot. Yes, they don’t require a relationship but to be fair they also don’t require men to take them out. They’re the type that usually will have kids with a man that wouldn’t give her anything to begin with, so being with them isn’t anything to brag about. They’re easy and free for a reason. They don’t want a relationship. How can you make that claim when they don’t even want anything (commitment, money for kids,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:36 AM
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If she got nothing out of that hook up, then she simply lacks common sense and is probably low hanging fruit. I don’t think she necessarily wants a relationship, she probably just wants male validation and is too unattractive to get it anywhere else which is why she’s sleeping with a man for some sweet talk/company. Thats the female equivalent of an incel btw
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:33 AM
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It depends on the woman. I know girls who like casual sex cause they have it with djs, athletes and sugar dads. If theyre only getting sex out of that man and not even a nobu dinner or some money then he must be picking low hanging, low caliber women that think it’s okay to be a free sex worker. She feels used after sex cause she took words and compliments as a payment. This would mean she barely gets compliments, since she’s willing to sleep for them. Getting slumpbusters is not something men s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:32 AM
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This is some stupid logic. Read your first sentence and you realize most women and men have other options right? Especially if they met on a dating app, or in a social place where there’s more than one person around. I find it hard to believe that men are taking out unattractive, overweight, 50 yo single moms out because they would be the only ones that don’t have other options. Any man that has a cell phone, or a car to get to a public place to meet other people also has other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:29 AM
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All men are the prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:24 AM
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Guys wanting to smash her does not mean she is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 03:14 PM
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Reality proves otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 03:14 PM
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Because they get pumped and dumped for validation? This is feminist copium nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:56 PM
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Yes but it’s also likely that she’s just cheap and easy. Which is nothing to brag about. Red pilled guys aren’t supposed to be bragging about low value, low hanging fruit type of women. If you make it clear you wouldn’t commit to her, but she still lets you hit. That shows you how cheap she is. I get why guys would hit but why brag about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 11:06 AM
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Yes. But why are you making it sound like a good thing to be with a woman that’s a free and easy lay?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 10:06 AM
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So she’s easy and cheap to get with? Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:09 AM
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Then why would she sleep with him? Being a free sex worker isn’t gonna get her anything. Might as well keep her legs closed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 08:48 AM
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I’m not. You’re the ones over inflating their egos by suggesting that an above average man would give them his time of day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 08:25 AM
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Give me proof that most men are unattractive, or less attractive than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 07:49 AM
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Lmao those women aren’t getting a match from them. This is feminist copium.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:52 AM
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Nope. They don’t stoop that low. Stop inflating these women’s egos with these lies. They don’t have a chance with sex with those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:30 AM
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No you can’t. Because the average man works harder than the average woman (in relationships and in the corporate world). If a man works 40 hours a week and has to approach, plan for and pay for dates then he deserves a woman that’s above average looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:24 AM
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Actually this is false. Most average women can’t even get an above average man to look at her. You guys need to stop inflating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:20 AM
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This is some feminist cope. Why would any man that has his time tied up running a business settle for an ugly woman? First of all, most average woman would not be able to attract a man that’s smart enough to run a business.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:19 AM
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Men care about looks more than women. Women don’t care if a man is Henry cavill- he just needs a decent personality. Whereas most men are visual creatures, and we have a specific type. Most men want to date women like 1990s Sofia vergara… what % of women do you think looks like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:05 AM
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Okay. This is exactly why 80% of men shouldn’t date. You expect us to put in effort for women that we have to settle for. Most men’s dream girl is someone like Sofia vergara, Adriana Lima, etc. it’s not the average woman, yet you are saying we still have to be the ones that plan, pay for dates, propose, etc. You are proving my point that dating is a bad deal for the average man. Paying for a ring only makes sense if she’s a top 10% woman. You already said 90% of men won’t be able to get one. Why…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:03 AM
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Most women are not objectively beautiful. Simps have overinflated women. Look at the average man’s gf- she is no Sofia vergara.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:58 AM
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Yes but an average man shouldn’t have to settle for an average woman. Do you understand that? We are still expected to approach, pay for and plan dates. For marriage, we are expected to pay for the ring. Any man who’s putting in this effort into dating and working 40 hours a week deserves the cream of the crop also. Not just Chad. Why are you saying 90% of men should settle and be unhappy? Why do 90% of men deserve the shorter end of the stick?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:54 AM
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You’re only saying that because you’re a woman. Men are the prize in relationships, that’s why the average one is a couple points above an average woman’s. Then she also shouldn’t expect Stacy treatment. She can pay for her own dates, her own engagement ring, and shouldn’t expect any provision from her boyfriend or husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:50 AM
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YES. Why should an average man still be expected to court, pursue, commit to a “8” who couldn’t land a chad? Where’s the proof she’s a 8? She’s average. There’s a reason why she can’t get and keep a high status man. Is she like Melania Trump where she can get a billionaire? Is she Georgina where she can get Ronaldo? This is why men said the quality of women have went drastically down. If you can’t get a top 10, maybe 20% woman you’re better off staying single because you will be ripped off. She …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:47 AM
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The average man is a couple points higher than the average woman. So yes he would be settling. The average man is expected to have a full time job and work hard. If he is also expected to plan dates and court women, then why should it be a woman that Chad didn’t want? That’s unfair considering how average men still have to work and put the same amount of effort that Chad does, except we get different calibers of women. It would be more fair if only Stacies could ask for dates, engagement rings/w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:42 AM
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Because it is. So are you implying that men should be okay with unattractive women that are basically leftovers that chads don’t want? I don’t think men should settle. If only 10% of men can get the top 10% of attractive women then it doesn’t mean the other 90% of men should stoop low. Why do those women deserve companionship? Be serious there’s a reason why she can’t secure a high earning, tall handsome man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:39 AM
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Those women are settling. And men are also settling for them. There’s a reason why she’s not good enough to get a chad. What’s insane is that average men are still expected to take the women that chads don’t want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:10 AM
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3s and 4s are the easy cheap free women I was referring to. Not sure how that’s a good method considering they hook up with anyone, including homeless men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:19 AM
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Most men can’t be in the top 10% of men. This means you would have to go for easy women that would sleep with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:14 AM
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Posts about how she is supposed to hook up with you right away
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:12 AM
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If only 20% can then why do so many of these posts exist? If you’re in the bottom 80%, why would you expect a woman to sleep with you right away? Unless she’s the easy and cheap 50/50 type but most men don’t go for those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:09 AM
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So you think 80% of men can experience Chad treatment? Unless you are an extremely attractive male, how would this happen? Unless she has low standards? But this means she would be the type of woman that would be easy for anyone. And yes they exist, think of a sexworker that takes a “you’re cute” compliment as payment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:01 AM
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Are we talking about the attractive women that have 50,000+ followers? Cause I doubt that they would notice just any man’s random profile just cause he followed/liked her. They get tons of notifications. And the women who don’t have as many followers, don’t have it for a reason. Most men find them mid. I really doubt your statement about how you can find local hotties on IG. Most men can’t get noticed by the top 10% of women. Any woman under the 10% is not “attractive”. They are mid. And men sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:50 PM
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Most men in this forum aren’t gonna open their wallet for this. Men in here don’t even wanna pay $50 for a first date. What quality of hookers can you get in the double digits?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 02:32 AM
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No, men become red pilled because they want to be perceived and treated as a “high value man” that has a lot of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 11:46 AM
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Okay then men should keep trying their luck on women they have no chance with. If she doesn’t swipe on you, what chance do you have at sleeping with her or long term relationship? A lot of men want a supermodel or IG model. Name me 3 IG models or supermodels that are dating average looks/average height men. This is how onlyfans/sugar dating started. Men will pay for women out of their league, instead of being with their looksmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:29 AM
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But this doesn’t harm the best candidates that actually qualify for the job. Most men are shooting out of their league on the apps. Be honest, if a 6’2 millionaire messaged a woman he would not get rejected. If you are messaging women that can afford to pass you up, it means she has other options. Unless they’re all sexless/dateless virgins. There is a man getting picked.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:26 AM
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Some guys are absolutely killing it on the apps. Can you explain why? Why aren’t women ignoring and rejecting them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:25 AM
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This means there are more attractive men on the app than you. You are competing against other men. Not women. And disagree. A lot of men are slaying it on the apps. You can access it on your phone. And some women are easier to get in person, if they are rarely approached cause OTHER men find them unattractive. One man saying a woman is attractive doesn’t mean anything. If she was actually attractive she wouldn’t be so easily impressed by an in person compliment since pretty girls get that every …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:23 AM
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Attractive women still have tons of options in their day to day life. Approaching them in person isn’t gonna guarantee you anything with them. This is like saying an average woman can approach Brad Pitt and now he’s her boyfriend. Desperate men aren’t your competition, because women don’t want them. Studies show that women find attractive, handsome, rich taller men to be desirable. Those men aren’t desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:21 AM
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Using tinder is free. Most women at a bar will want you to buy them a drink. Then you also have to pay for own drink. And tip. Cocktails in my city can easily be $18-20. How is 2-6 cocktails + tip cheaper than pulling out my phone and swiping? Men can absolutely get their looksmatch. A lot of average men are just delusional about what an average woman is. An average woman is supposed to be average, not attractive. She’s insignificant and plain, and would be rejected by any man who has options or…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:17 AM
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Dude. Plenty of men are slaying it on the apps. You only have problems if you are shooting out of your league. Ask yourself this, why are those men at a disadvantage if most women perceive them to be a top tier man? It’s unlikely. If he is viewed as average, approaching in person won’t be better for him unless he goes to high end lounges and events where the most attractive women are. Average men who swipe on average women have success. Average men who swipe on above average women that have othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:14 AM
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I know average men who approach in person and their gfs are nothing to brag about. Most average men’s gfs are average at best and insignificant. If anything, that’s being the ultimate simp. If they went on an app, they would have more options since they can access a variety of women from just their phone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:09 AM
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Why do you assume men are at a disadvantage? You only are if you are shooting for women out of your league. This happens in real life too. The men who don’t use apps, aren’t gonna magically get an attractive woman if they’re average themselves. A lot of men are desperate. That’s why you guys rather simp, and compete with other men for women out of your league. Instead of being with your looksmatch. It doesn’t take effort to get your looksmatch… the apps literally simplified this. Go online and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:08 AM
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That’s the market. Why are there more men on the apps than women? Irl, women still get approached more. So what’s your point? Dating apps/instagram show men where they stand, on the desirability scale. Handsome, rich, tall men are slaying it on the apps. It doesn’t matter if there’s more men than women, the most desirable men will still have options. Just like they would, in person. Less desirable men aren’t gonna get a supermodel just cause they approach random girls at a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:00 AM
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Because most men want to date the top 10% of women. Thats not gonna include women over 30 unless she’s a pageant queen or supermodel. Tbh I don’t know how it’s gonna be possible for the average man to each get a monogamous relationship with 10% of women. How are 100% of men going to have 10% of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:53 AM
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Dating apps being looks based means you will get your looksmatch. Attractive women are always being approached in person, it’s not easier getting them just because you’re approaching in real life instead of an app. Apps have also made dating more accessible for men cause now you can go online and get matches. Meeting women at a bar would require you to spend money on both drinks or at least your drink, apps are free.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:49 AM
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Nope. It’s men that are simping on onlyfans, and paying for dating app features or straight up sugar dating. Or they can’t get laid, OR a date. This would imply that they’re the ones that are perceived to be less desirable. A lot of redpilled men can’t adapt to the current dating market. It’s not by your hypothetical logic, it’s based on what’s actually happening. Some women rather share a high value man than to be exclusive and monogamous with an “average” or “below average” man There are studi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 02:21 AM
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They are only automatically disqualified, if they are choosing to swipe on women that are being swiped by better profiles. If his profile is average because his photos are average, a lot of attractive/desirable women that have options will overlook him. Which is why he should go for an average woman- that has none of the options that an attractive woman would have.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 02:09 AM
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Disagree Men that are realistic and go for the women in their league, meaning if you’re average you go for average women. Not cute women. Not slim women. Not attractive women. Average men don’t have height, looks or wealth, the same way average women don’t have youth, beauty or a nice physique. The men that are realistic have plenty of options. Because they are not pursuing women that can afford to pass them up. The reason why those men don’t have a “chance” to fumble is because there are better…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 02:06 AM
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Okay this is the problem with redpilled men. They are unaware of where they stand in the dating market. If you are average height/looks/income, a woman that’s attractive or has nice features is out of your league. This is because, the majority of women don’t look at an average man and think “ooh that’s an attractive/desirable man with attractive features”. He’s just an average joe. Average joes aren’t going for average women. They are going for women that have something like beauty, physique, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 02:02 AM
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Nope. The average man here basically wants a supermodel or IG model. If the only criteria was “don’t be fat”, he would be able to get that woman as long as he wasn’t fat himself. That’s wrong and ignores basic reality, in 2025. An “average” woman is not on the same level as the “average” man I’m talking about if he has to simp for her on onlyfans, or compete against other orbiters. Ask yourself this, if he’s on the same level.. why can the get that content for free from those women since he’s so…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:07 AM
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How would this shift happen if men refuse to be realistic about their standards? Men pay and simp for onlyfans because those are the type of women they have no chance with irl. There are plenty of women who can’t sell content, or gain anything from being pretty cause she is average, and not attractive at all. As long as average men continue to go for women out of their league, “simping” will always exist. You’re supposed to go for women who have no better option than you. Not for women that have…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:29 AM
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Because most men don’t want average women. Do you know what an average woman is? She looks average- not attractive. Even below average men want a woman with a nice face, body etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 12:21 AM
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How old are you? I know guys that resent their gf cause she doesn’t live up to the IG models/celebrities that he prefers, but has never met. People tend to be resentful if they are settling. And most men are not with an attractive woman (10% of the population). How would you expect 90% of men to deal with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 01:23 PM
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This is debatable. Cause some guys will treat their irl partner like shit if she doesn’t live up to his celebrity crush. Women do this as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 11:21 AM
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Well like I said a man can have a boring job but a good interesting personality. Why can’t he date less desirable women like himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 12:44 AM
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That was when men were expected to provide and have a job. Now that women go 50/50, they judge more on looks and other things. Most guys aren’t even expected to spend a dime on their relationship so why would he get kudos for having a boring job and personality? Yes women think boring guys are lame, just like how men think overweight women are overweight and less desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:16 PM
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You could argue that there wouldn’t be enough interesting men to be with all the skinnier women. It balances out. Less desirable women (overweight) can be with their desirability match (less desirable men that are boring) A man can still be interesting, even if he has a boring job.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:07 PM
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The 4/10 women aren’t the one looking for providers. This is what this post is about. Yes, average men’s wives typically look average. It doesn’t matter what these women want. Men do 99% of the approaching, if he wants a high success rate.. he goes for an average looking woman who doesn’t care about money. Not go for a chick who wants a provider and then complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 07:34 PM
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This is not true. Average women (objectively average, this means nobody glances at her twice) do not have the high bar you’re talking about. They would literally be sexless and dateless to this age if they did. When I say objectively average I mean chads, average men and below average men do not glance at her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 04:41 PM
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If women didn’t care about money at all they would date a NEET man cause he has a good personality. If she wanted independence she would stay single. Your paragraph tells me women still care about money. If your boyfriend doesn’t need to spend a dime on you- why care if he’s employed or not? The point is, none of his money will ever affect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 04:37 PM
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The men who date in their league aren’t worried about whether they have money or not. Cause we know regular chicks aren’t checking for that. If you want to go ahead and compete for a top 5% supermodel/IG model then go ahead… this is why men will always come on here and whine about hypergamy or being expected to be a provider. Date a 90% regular chick and you’ll be fine as long as you have a part time job. If the average man thinks the bottom 90% of women isn’t good enough for him then he better …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 04:36 PM
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Oh really? Tell me how the average man’s wife looks like. How many average men are dating supermodels? If anything, it’s men like the OP that are simps. You guys rather put the top 10% of women on a pedestal instead of being realistic by dating the average woman- she has no option to monkey branch or to care about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 04:34 PM
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This is not true. SHES either a supermodel or not. SHES either attractive enough to have beautiful status, and can get a millionaire or she is average- which is why she is dating an average man, The average man’s wife does not look like a supermodel, you expect me to believe that the majority of men are dating someone who’s in the top 5% of facial attractiveness and fitness? Most men can not get an IG model or female celebrity known for beauty (Kylie Jenner, Megan Fox) if they wanted to. Go outs…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 09:47 AM
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My point is most below average and average men can not date Melania Trump, Kim k, any of the miss universe winners etc. show me someone who looks as good as Melania Trump at that age and is dating a man who makes $30k a year. Thats the point. Men don’t want to date trailer trash or overweight women even if they are overweight or live in a trailer themselves. Most normal humble women- are fine dating neets. This means a man doesn’t have to have a job or degree. And by normal humble women I don’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 08:20 AM
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It’s also because most men won’t date in their league. Most men can’t become supermodels no matter how much they level up- the same with women. It doesn’t make sense how average men (in looks AND provision) all want to date the highly desired women that provider men can date or marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 07:15 AM
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Men who don’t provide typically will settle, that doesn’t mean their partner that has a career/dducation (but is physically unattractive) has that much “relationship value) It’s similar to how you have to settle for a 50/50 chick if you can’t be a provider for the type of women you yearn for. It used to be common knowledge that when a 48 year old man dates a 21 year old, that he provides. And people might even call him a sugar daddy. Now they want the 48 year old to be financially equal to the 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:45 AM
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He’s not actually blue pilled. Actual blue pill men don’t have these type of issues dating cause they go in their league. This man is purposely approaching women who either want a provider man or expect a man to have a job. There are plenty of women that are okay with NEETs but they don’t look the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:39 AM
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From a females perspective, can you explain how a handsome 50/50 man would be more appealing than a handsome, provider man? What is it about a man who can provide, that will make him less attractive? Do men view their peers in the same way? Do men have less respect for the ones who succeed and have an abundance in resources and influences?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:35 AM
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What do you consider good looking? Bc the girls in the second category usually can only attract regular men for a reason. They’re mid. And their life reflects that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:31 AM
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Well maybe we should look at the type of women that OP tries to date? And I disagree. There are attractive women in my city that are used to expensive dates because they are approached by millionaires, athletes, etc.., and then there are average women that are only approached by average men who could never get a dinner date. Some men aren’t willing to settle for the second type of women. What’s the point of dating if it’s someone we can’t even stand to look at?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 12:27 AM
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It is by actual appearance, the reason why those coffee date/Netflix and chill girls don’t “expect” or “ask” for dinner dates is because they know no man will ask them to one and actually pay for it. They’re probably self aware, and know they don’t compare to the hourglass women with attractive faces… especially when a lot of these women have neither of those. Why would a woman with b cups, wider waist, average sized bum, average face, average hair think any man would want to “spoil” her for a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 03:38 PM
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It depends on the type of women he’s going for. I know girls who only wanted to go to nice restaurants and gamble after (I live in vegas) or to a show. And I also know girls who want to go to coffee or will Netflix and chill on the first date. There’s a huge difference in the way they look. I’m gonna assume the OP only goes for objectively attractive women (women that are pursued by sugar daddies, rich men, athletes etc. the normal women who date regular men don’t count. They are mid by definiti…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 02:53 PM
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Men who date? You know, this is a reason why coffee dates are also popular or 50/50 dates. Those men can actually even go on more dates than this man since his dates are cheaper and lower maintenance. Men in relationships go on 6+ dates a month. The exceptions are if he’s dating low maintenance women that prefer to order pizza and stay at home or women that split the bill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 10:07 AM
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How’s it not mathing? $275 for two people isn’t unrealistic if they’re going to a nice restaurant and ordering cocktails.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 07:44 AM
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Exactly. An average woman has no nice features. This means she doesn’t have a nice body (so she wouldn’t be thinner) And it would also mean she doesn’t have a nice personality. When you hear women describe average men, it’s a man that also has nothing good about him.. but also nothing bad. It only makes sense that the average woman is perceived in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:28 AM
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That’s the point. The men in here keep wanting the same women that can fuck a chad. Would a man choose to wife up an unattractive, undesirable woman if he can fuck Stacie’s? No. And no, I’ve posted above average women in here before (proven by their lifestyle) and men kept insisting they were below average and wouldn’t date someone that low on the totem pole. Those girls were DominiqueKalem, aidanagates, and bellancinii. If average men want women that are more attractive than them, then good luc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:25 AM
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Status affects the way you are perceived. Your desirability is how you’re perceived by the gender you are trying to date. If you’re constantly failing to even match with Stacie’s, then they’re out of your league. Most of the complaints on here are of men complaining that these women won’t even give them the time of day. Or that the women they want are picking other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:55 AM
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Those men are willing to match with her though. How many women are willing to match with “average” men? It’s not the same. The dating marketplace will affect your experiences. You’re going out of your league if dating is hard for you. If you’re average you shouldn’t be going for women that can match with better men than you. Your league would be the women that get rejected by all of those men, which is why they would pick you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:51 AM
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A below average woman would be a fat, older one that has an unattractive face. Most men in this forum are not going for that. I have posted girls like DominiqueKalem, AidanaGates, Bellancinii (IG names) and they called them mid and ugly. Those girls are not below average, and their lifestyle proves it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:42 AM
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A lot of bottle girls in my city do this, because it works. When I read this forum, a lot of average men genuinely think that attractive women are using apps to meet them instead of getting commission on bottle sales. This is why they do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:40 AM
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That 5% of women would be the ones in your league. Which was my point the whole time when I said men need to go for women who prefer them over Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:31 AM
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Because actual 7 or 8 males (that are perceived that way by the majority of women) can get a 7 or 8 woman that would be easy for him as well. If she’s making it hard for him it’s because he’s most likely not a 7 or 8 in her eyes. There are 9/10s that are easy for millionaires, athletes, celebs.. they don’t have to dumpster dive. There’s attractive women who will be easy for highly desirable or attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:30 AM
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It’s based on how they are perceived in the dating marketplace…. Because that will affect the results you get. You can’t say a woman that can go on 20 dates a year, get into clubs for free, has 2000 followers on instagram is on the same level of “below average” as a man who can’t get any of those things, or who can’t even get 10 matches a month. They are not on the same level. If they were, they would have similar results and she would be fine with dating him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:29 AM
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Nope, what’s delusional is seeing all the social proof that a woman is attractive. She goes on nice dates, has an online following, but you expect me to believes she’s “objectively below average” cause one man said so. 90% of men need to treat her like she’s below average for it to be true, cause then it actually affects her dating reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:12 AM
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Your last few sentences contradict your first few sentences. If men find most women attractive, then how can you expect me to believe that most men are going for objectively below average woman? Describe a below average woman. Cause they’re the type that would get turned away from hooters, can’t get asked out to Applebees etc. You’re describing women that are desirable enough to go on dates. That’s not below average. Actual objective below average women do not get asked out on dates. This is how…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:10 AM
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Nope. All I’m saying is, if a woman is used to something of a higher caliber then she is not gonna be satisfied with an “average” man. This is why so many men are in sexless relationships. They are dating women that are not sexually attracted to him, because they are used to being with Chads. This is only ok if a man doesn’t care about him and his gfs sex life or lack of. But the men who care, should date in his league.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:04 AM
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I’m not saying all average men are chasing supermodels and pageant winners. But a lot of them are still chasing women that are above them, even if it’s by a couple points. If you’re the type of man that can’t afford to bring your gf to nobu, catch or any of those restaurants/lounges… then your match is not a woman that is constantly taken there by other men. If you can’t afford to fly a woman out to Miami, then your match isn’t the type of woman that CAN be flown out to Miami by another man. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:01 AM
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Yes they do. If they’re an objective 4/10. It doesn’t count if you think she’s ugly and should settle for a coffee date and NEET men, but there’s 17 other men who think she’s cute and are willing to do xyz for her. Even if XYZ is Applebees. A real 4/10 can’t be asked out to an Applebees or any date that’s gonna cost more than $5. An actual 4/10 gets little to no likes on Instagram, and never gets compliments from the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:56 AM
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What do you think a below average woman is? It can’t be a woman you just find unattractive, they have to be found unattractive by the majority of men. They are the equivalent of men that have 0 options. I truly doubt that they’re gonna pass up on their only few options, this would mean that most of them are still virgins and never been on a date. And btw, if they’re a woman that can smash Chad then you proved my point. If they can smash Chad, then they’re not below average enough for the below a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:55 AM
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He can better himself but he’s not gonna go from average to a top % man. If that’s the case then any man can be in the top 10%. If men rather do this instead of settling for their league then you can really blame women who refuse to lower their standards. They’re doing the same thing red pilled men do. If a working class man can be comparable to Jeff Bezos then doesn’t this mean an average looking woman can be comparable to a Victoria secret model? It’s delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:53 AM
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How did you go from high maintenance Pilates princesses that go to nobu to a crackhead living under a bridge? If you’re an average man you should be with an average woman. An average woman doesn’t go to Pilates, nice restaurants or nice grocery stores.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:49 AM
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Is he an objective 4/10? As in the majority of women view him as below average? I think they would be the perfect match for women that are also viewed as below average by the majority of men. Then they’re both 4/10s
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:49 AM
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How is he gonna outcompete Chad? That’s like saying a working class man can outcompete Jeff Bezos or Elon musk. It’s unrealistic. If he’s mid himself then he should be dating mid women. How you’re perceived by the majority of women dictates your desirability.. if most women don’t think you’re a chad it means you’re average. Which means you need to be dating the women that he doesn’t want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:43 AM
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Definitely not at the nice places that attractive women go to. Also not at nice gyms, Pilates/yoga studios, basically anything that only high maintenance women go to. So this also means not at Whole Foods or erewhon.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:41 AM
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How is he perceived by the majority of women if that’s supposedly the best he can do? You don’t have proof she is ugly. How is she ugly but dating a high value man? The social proof implies your opinion is subjective. Or he simply doesn’t have options, due to something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:40 AM
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Look. If I am an average working class man, I am not gonna go for the same cars or lifestyle that a millionaire would have. When there are events at some of the venues in my city, a table can cost $5000. I am not gonna go to the venue and demand they bring it down to my budget, when they are simply targeting the customer base that can afford it and WILL pay it. Men need to go where they are wanted. If you are average. Stop going for the women that can be seen in chads house, car, table at a date…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:39 AM
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I truly believe every man can have an abundance of options if he was realistic. If you are not a chad, do not approach women that can either get approached by Chad or find chads attractive. Find the women who like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:34 AM
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What this means is they are acting accordingly to their market value. They can always date an undesirable man once they become undesirable themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 12:14 AM
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This is why a lot of young women in their 20s should really capitalize. I live in a city known for pay to play and sugar dating.. almost every young attractive woman is doing that or they are working as a bottle girl, model bartender etc or simply being hypergamous. The average guys don’t like that because it prices them out of a lot of options. Think about it this way: if a 5’9 50k salary man won’t date a woman as unattractive and undesirable as him, then any women who has social proof of being…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 12:13 AM
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Thats similar to the red pill male dating strategy though. Where you fuck around with a lot of attractive women, and eventually settle with a plain one later because you know she has no opportunity to cheat or do any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 12:02 AM
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I don’t think most men would. Men used to be required to do certain things like initiate/plan/pay for dates. Or for trips and etc for his gf. He was expected to provide for his long term relationships. If there was an anniversary, birthday, valentines etc he was expected to take her to dinner or buy her a gift. A lot of men nowadays are simply not willing to come out of pocket to participate in the “modern dating culture”.. this is why they rather ask girls to come over to Netflix and chill.. sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 10:52 AM
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Because Chad is attractive and the average man is average. This is like asking “hey how come that pretty girl Sophie rain with a nice body have a big following on Instagram, but the unattractive, overweight woman I know doesn’t” Or “Why does that attractive woman get pretty privilege while that average woman is treated like an average woman by a man who finds her average”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 10:49 AM
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A man settling for an average woman does not mean he would choose her in a room full of attractive woman. It just means he’s appreciative for what he can get. Men are willing to settle. Women are not
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:26 AM
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This is funny because you’re implying that only old men provide for younger, attractive women. There’s plenty of women my age that work, but their bf or husband still pays the bills. But it’s not a requirement for them to work, cause their man isn’t gonna break up with them the second he has to spend a dime. Your entire comment proved my point. Average women don’t know where they stand. Stable employed men that work hard deserve an attractive woman that has sex with us. I love how you implied th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:34 AM
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An average woman should be okay with a NEET man. So why are you wanting someone stable? My point is average women try to go for the same men that attractive women want.. who do you think the man is gonna choose? This is why most average women HAVE to go 50/50. Why wouldn’t you be willing to provide for your partner if you are gonna bash other hypergamous women? If you want to prove you’re not hypergamous at all- his looks and personality should be enough. You shouldn’t care if he’s financially s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:50 PM
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No, if you’re average looking then you can’t participate in hypergamy. Cause men with options rather have an attractive woman, who could eventually work instead of an average looking woman. Her having a job does not make her more desirable than the other girl. It’s just expected that she has a job, cause we will have to go 50/50 and she needs to pay for her own presents. Being a provided for woman does not make you a slave lol. If you’re average looking you would have to do more work to be in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:42 PM
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That’s like asking Why can’t you be attracted to the nice girl that’s 300 pounds and unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:35 PM
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It’s funny how most women can’t put this together. You guys can figure out that men don’t want ugly sugar babies. But can’t figure out that the male versions of an “ugly sugar baby” has to work harder for sex aka get into a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:31 PM
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OP you have to realize hypergamy is only natural for women that are attractive and can actually marry up or across. Average women have to earn their keep or they stay single. Men expect them to be more successful in their career, to compensate for their lack of looks and femininity. I think it’s possible for the woman to be romantically interested in the man despite him making less, but if she’s less attractive than other women then the man is possible just with her as she’s a placeholder. If he…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:26 PM
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False. A lot of men have sugar or Splenda babies as well. Even the married ones. Just because a lot of men have to settle for going 50/50 with an average woman does not mean he chose it, a lot of us can’t afford the super attractive and desirable women that we want. Even if it has to be through sugar dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:22 PM
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That’s hypergamy. I’ve seen older, rich men date unemployed 24 year old girls. If you wouldn’t date a NEET man, then you need to stop saying men and women are the same. Cause men would def date a NEET woman if she was hott. A lot of women are average looking, so ofc we would expect them to have a job and pay their own part in the relationship. That doesn’t mean it’s the same for attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:21 PM
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Is it with people they want? Most men are not with their first choice. We have to only date women that we can get, not the ones we want. That doesn’t mean men gonna give up consistent, easy sex and companionship and stay single the way women do when they can’t get their way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:51 PM
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A weak man can be someone that is seen as short/average salary. There are women who rather be single or date in the sugar way than to be tied down to a 5’9 man working at GameStop. A lot of men in this forum equate that to an average looking woman (compared to supermodels and internet models). Which is not equivalent. The equivalent would be an overweight, unattractive, NEET alcoholic female. And yes, they don’t usually reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:46 PM
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For top guys. Other female animals aren’t fighting to procreate with the worst/weakest option for their offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 01:28 AM
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What you’re not understanding is that the majority of men would not date the kind of women in those videos. They want the girls that look like Cindy Kimberly, and etc. Top men are the only men who get all the attention from female celebrities, models, pageant queens or any girl that’s known for her beauty. Show me one IG model or one beauty icon that’s dating an average “nerd” (average salary and height etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 10:45 PM
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Well men are the ones who pursue and initiate. Women receive. What you don’t understand is average women still sit back and see what “offers” they get, if they accept.. something will happen cause they’ll actually meet up. Being a man and pursuing a woman doesn’t guarantee that you guys will even meet, cause she has to agree to meeting. This is why it’s smarter to go for women that have less experience (she’s never been treated like a princess before) and less competition. The women you’re talki…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:55 AM
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But fathers still chose based on which men offered “more”. Wouldn’t you say men are hypergamous for their daughters? If you asked a man would he want his daughter to be with a successful, man who could provide if he wanted to vs a man who needs her half for them to survive. Most men would choose the former, especially if he provided for his family himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:20 AM
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When there’s nothing by force, women choose. Obviously I’m not talking about when she’s forced by her father. But women’s dads also tend to prefer successful men over average men or NEETs for their daughter. Which is something a lot of red pill men can’t understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:33 AM
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More women throughout history have reproduced when compared to men. Females in every species are the choosers, unless it’s forced.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:11 AM
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The same way men have a natural instinct to be attracted to attractive, desirable women more than unattractive, undesirable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:37 AM
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Red pilled men (majority of men) don’t see it that way. Which is why the woman that actually ends up being his wife or gf has to go 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:49 AM
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I’m not saying she is jealous of a parasocial relationship. I’m saying that some men rather invest more in a parasocial relationship than his real one. It’s the same way that maybe his gf might have slept with a desirable man on the first date, but made him wait 70 days. It’s because she finds one of them attractive, and is settling for the other one. It’s the same way some men expect to date an IG model, but can’t and settle.. which is why they also make that woman work harder by not treating h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:26 AM
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The kind of women that men go half with, while they would provide for someone else. Yes but they can’t get those women. It’s the same way here. Some women sleep with some men very fast because those men are attractive. Why would unattractive men get treated the same? It’s the same way a man would pay a pretty girls rent and bills, but make his average looking gf go 50/50 with him. They aren’t treated the same because they are not at the same level of desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:23 AM
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You could have just told him that it’s the same logic when red pilled men say “why do 4s want to be treated like 10s” Some men get laid easily because they are highly attractive, desirable, handsome, charming, tall, wealthy, successful and etc. and there there are men that are none of these things. Men don’t treat overweight women like pretty girls. It’s okay for women to admit that they don’t treat unattractive men the same way they treat attractive men. No need to virtue signal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 08:04 PM
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Do you think 50/50 women should feel resentful that there’s another woman their bf would’ve provided for, but he has no chance with? It’s the same thing. It’s what happens when you are not your partners first choice. Most women aren’t their partners first choice, since a lot of younger men nowadays have an IG model or celebrity as their first choice, even though he has never met them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:55 PM
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It’s the same logic as when men say “why do you expect a man to pay for your food when you’re a 6 and not a 10”. Some men are the equivalent of a “female 10” or “dream girl” Not all women will get supermodel treatment. Not all men can be attractive and desirable enough to the women they want to hook up with or date. Thats why it takes more work. Some girls are blessed with a fast metabolism. They don’t have to work as hard to stay slim. Handsome, desirable men are also blessed with an advantage.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:54 PM
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What a lot of men here fail to realize is that an “average looking” woman in her 20s is considered a 9-10 to 99% of men aged 30-80, since they are comparing those girls to OTHER women (30-80)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:20 PM
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If this is the case then are you suggesting that all women should stop having sex? Because most men are not married. How would they get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 12:58 PM
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The thing is it’s normal for chads to have abundance. It’s also why some men at the top also have an abundance of wealth. It is what it is. The red pilled men in this forum want women to be distributed the way resources would be, in a socialist model. Where every guy gets equal experiences in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 10:49 AM
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Yes, but the men in here can self declare themselves a 8 (with no proof) which is why they do expect girls they deem a 6-8 to be with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 10:47 AM
3

The guys in here don’t want to pay for a sex worker out of their league. Thats why they’re complaining about mids.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:48 AM
4

Mid men do invest in Stacie’s. It’s called sugaring. There’s plenty of old fat short bald men in LA dating women that look 5x better than them. The difference between those men and the ones here who fail, is that those men are willing to pay that woman’s rent. While there’s always posts in this forum about going 50/50. Men go after mid women to save money and energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:17 AM
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OP should have mentioned sugar dating. Thats really the only way you can put more investment into Stacy’s. Stacy’s aren’t flattered by just compliments and sweet talk. Anyone can do it. Lying or complimenting is free. A lot of these guys go for mid girls because they literally refuse to give Stacie’s what they want. Look at how many men were in the other post complaining about how they have to spend more than $20 on a date
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:15 AM
2

This is not obvious information to red pilled men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:18 PM
7

Because I’ve noticed a lot of the average men that have trouble dating are consistently batting out of their league. Their match is a woman that would be so average that she doesn’t have many options besides him. A lot of average men still want a cute woman. Cute isn’t average. Average is plain, insignificant etc
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:11 PM
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Yes that is what men are complaining about. Why can’t they take a beautiful girl on a free walking date? Why does it have to cost money?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:06 PM
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The thing is there is enough women who go 50/50 or are fine with walking dates. But these men want the women that rich/provider men also want. So they are pursuing women that have been treated out before multiple times, that’s why they don’t want to go 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:03 PM
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I would assume those 20% of men provide the most? Whether it’s in physical attraction, sexual skills or resources and experiences. 50/50 men can go for the women that the top 20% doesn’t want. But I think it’s foolish for a 50/50 man to seek out women that are highly desirable, cause then you will have more competition and your competition doesn’t mind paying for all of the dates. If these men were realistic and stopped listening to the red pill.. and went for women that are average looking like…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:02 PM
4

Are you calling beautiful women gold diggers?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:57 PM
1

If 100% of women became easily accessible, where any man can access her by just asking, then everyone’s body count would be in the 3 digit zone. These redpilled men don’t understand how dating would be, if all women decided to be low hanging fruit that any man can access.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:55 PM
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Men who don’t want to pay can simply pursue the women that can’t attract a man that would pay in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:53 PM
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A man can have plenty of options as well, if he shoots in his league. If you wanna go 50/50, pursue 50/50 women. If you want women that expect provision, then just be willing to pay for dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:52 PM
3

The same can be said about the woman. If she’s attractive, she won’t have to pay. If she isn’t, then yes she will. The problem is most men are redpilled so they want an attractive woman when they themselves are average or below average looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:48 PM
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These men are batting out of their league, that’s why. Average women make up the majority. Those are the women who go 50/50. These men don’t want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:47 PM
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You’re completely right. The average woman goes 50/50 lol she can’t even get a dime out of her boyfriend. But these men want highly attractive/desirable women. They have more competition. The women who get breast implants, $200 Pilates memberships, and Botox at age 24 are not gonna have to go 50/50.. because they have plenty of options that would include a man that’s willing to pay for her $38 pasta $20 martinis.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:43 PM
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Because the women that want expensive first dates look very different compared to the women that are used to $0 dates. It’s funny how women pretend they don’t know this. Do you think a woman that looks like Madison Beer, Cindy Kimberly, etc would go on a $0 date with an average man? Are we really gonna pretend that highly attractive/desirable women that have hourglass bodies, perfect faces etc are down to go on a cheap date?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:40 PM
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No, usually the only women that expect it are the attractive ones that have already been treated by a man before. If you want a woman that goes 50/50, you have to go for the ones that simply don’t have the expectation of a man providing because they never had a singular experience of that happening to them. Or go for women that have less suitors in general, then there’s less competition/comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:38 PM
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To get treated by a man on the first date
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:37 PM
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Yes but most women aren’t smart enough to do that and actually think men like her more if she shows she’s easier and cheaper to access.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:15 PM
1

Or maybe that’s why some relationships are sexless? Again why would a man want to be with someone that isn’t attracted to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 03:48 PM
1

Stephen hawking has status and wealth though. Not sure how you can compare him to an average man. Okay so with your logic, if a 4 woman has a chance to sleep with a 9 man, why shouldn’t she? And why would she stay loyal to a beta buxx she has no passion for?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 03:20 PM
1

If this is the case then why would that girl ever genuinely lust for a male 4?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 02:42 PM
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