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I watched some of her general videos on psychology, and I found them pretty good, until I discovered her takes on men/women. This video for example, is just 21 minutes of her telling men how to grovel and serve women, with no reciprocity. And she minimizes male problems, as seen in her replies to various comments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/26 06:58 AM
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Genuine desire, which I feel blessed to say I do experience in my relationship. It's hard to put into words, but being valued on things that I don't have to "perform" is probably the best summary. Due to consuming way too much manosphere content I used to be quite insecure about not being rich and "alpha" enough, and then I get into this relationship and see my gf's complete indifference to them while valuing my natural personality. For the first time in my life I feel safe to "just be myself" l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:01 AM
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Specifically for approaching I'm not sure, but all the body count studies show that most women have a lifetime single digit body count, and are also not interested in casual sex. So while it's not a 100% guarantee, logically it would follow that they probably aren't going around approaching attractive men in big numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 12:21 PM
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Historically (at least the brief period when men worked and women were at home, most of history looked very different) most men lacked social mobility, meaning that dangerous back breaking jobs were often the only option for them. Thinking that "working a job" as opposed to "staying at home" is universally a desirable thing is a perspective that's shaped by modern western society, it completely ignores the reality of working conditions at the time. Traditional gender roles for men also came with…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:40 PM
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Honestly r/tressless is a great example to prove how damaging male body dysmorphia can be. Once you dig deeper into the comments and what the posters' motivations are, the self loathing and toxicity radiating from that place becomes quite evident. It's even worse when it comes to penis size, but small penis shaming is so ingrained in our society it's not even considered to be problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:10 PM
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1) Very one sided view which completely ignores the struggles of men at the time, I could also phrase it as "being forced to slave away 12 hours a day in a mine while the wife sits in a comfy house playing with children". 2) This is why alimony has been a thing for thousands of years. Although marriage was historically considered a lifelong commitment, so both men and women were equally "trapped" and didn't have many options for divorce anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:47 AM
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Anything similar to what men do to women, really. Can range from generally not too harmful things like having certain ideas of what a "real" man should be and making their partner feel bad based on that belief, to emotional abuse, to violence and murder. Even if it's at a much smaller scale, women still kill their male partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:52 AM
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I'd speculate that they're doing the same thing as misogynists do. You know, have female family members and partners that they generally get along with, except when they don't behave in a way they "should". Then the nastiness quickly rises to the surface, this is in fact one of the scenarios you'll often see redditors on places like AITA warning women about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:34 AM
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Sounds like a huge cope to me, it would be really hard to take this seriously if someone tried to say it to me unironically. But more importantly, the phrase "dodged a bullet" paints the person doing the rejecting as an enemy or bad person, which is not healthy. I think it's far better for one's self esteem to recognize that good people can reject you for all sorts of reasons, and that none of it reflects your self worth as a person. Easier said than done to come to this realization, of course, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 07:40 AM
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After being in this space for more than a decade (before the word incel was even commonly used), I'd reckon that the cause of 95% of incels' dating problems is their worldview, which causes them to not socialize at all, or to come across very stifled and awkward on the odd occasion they might try. It's hard to overstate just how fundamentally harmful the things they believe are to their mental health (it should be noted it's not their fault and they can't "just" stop thinking that way, but it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:12 PM
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I sense some skepticism. I should note that my experience does not necessarily represent the experience of others. While there are some general trends, people are different and there are a million and one possible scenarios for how things might turn out. This is the greatest flaw in any kind of -pill ideology imo, trying to fit everything into neat little boxes, when the real world is far more messy than that. This realization was key for me and I think it's what allowed me to stop self sabotagi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 02:31 PM
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I was 28 at the time of said events, actually kissless and handholdless as well, now I'm 29.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 01:37 PM
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Nope, never. Not to say it doesn't happen to other people ever, but from my personal experience I've only ever gotten encouragement from the few people I trusted this to, like my current gf who was patient with me when I had issues with ED due to nerves (although she was also a virgin), or the girl I briefly dated before that who seemed to like me even more once I told her (she left the country and wanted to keep in touch), or my friend before that who tried to help me find a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 09:35 AM
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To steelman her argument, presumably her point is "that's only a small minority of feminists, but those are the only ones the algorithm will show you, because ragebait gets clicks".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:45 PM
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Tbh if I'm a bit cynical, it seems like many BPers are just continuing the high school mentality of being disgusted with "losers" and wanting to keep them in their place.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:04 AM
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I think what's happening is that "normies" are usually subconsciously aware of all the unpleasant truths we discuss here, but go out of their way to publicly deny them, with the other "normies" publicly nodding their heads in agreement who also recognize the unpleasant truths, but who accurately read the subtext that the other person doesn't want to discuss this openly to keep appearances. Then an autistic person sees the surface level discussion going on and believes it on face value, especiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:53 AM
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As someone who was an older virgin until quite recently (I lost it in my late 20s), I completely disagree, this was a complete non issue for me. The people I have told this to were nothing but encouraging, especially my gf who I lost it to and who is still with me today.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:53 AM
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Exactly, I even have personal experience of this. When I was a teenager, I didn't have any attraction to fit/athletic women at all. Then once I started lifting and spending lots of time on fitness forums and social media pages, I was constantly exposed to images of such women, which completely flipped my attraction to where it's something I now prefer. Now imagine this effect on a societal scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 10:42 AM
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Honestly this is the reason why 95% of debates on here even happen. If people simply recognized the truth that it's not so easy to fit people into boxes and there's huge individual variation, the manosphere would cease to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:20 AM
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Humans are also violent, racist, sexist and ableist by nature, yet in modern society we've managed to limit those undesirable aspects of human nature to such an extent that it's now weirder to exhibit those traits than not to. If most humans can be trained to not fight and kill other humans for territory and resources, the same can be done for acceptance of neurodiverse people who don't communicate non-verbally very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 12:08 PM
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I'm not sure what the argument is here. Most women don't want to be cheated on, so finding out is obviously traumatic to them, and they'll have a negative emotional reaction. That doesn't mean they'd prefer to live in delusion, it means they'd prefer not to be cheated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 11:58 AM
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If we lived in a society more accepting of this style of communication, this would be a non issue. When a neurotypical person would feel insulted, they could just ask for clarification or think "oh that's right, they're autistic so this is just the way they communicate, they aren't trying to insult me". The same way you'd consider it rude if someone ignored a question you asked, but if you knew they were deaf, you'd be a lot more understanding. I'm not sure we'll ever get to a world I'm describi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 11:52 AM
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He found his niche of regurgitating redpill talking points using academic language, from a business standpoint this is an excellent strategy. As for whether it's true or helpful to the viewer, about as much as any other redpill channel. He does bring up some valid points which polite society often downplays or refuses to acknowledge, but it's a very one sided vision of the world which if taken seriously enough, will lead to you being unable to have enough trust in a woman to have a functional re…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 08:05 AM
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I'm sure white women in the 50s were subjected to "emotional harm" when black men talked to them too, but that's more of an indication of internalized judgements they had, rather than an issue with the person trying to make conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 06:53 AM
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Interesting, personally I feel like that would be about equally gross. But you are consistent, so fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 10:49 AM
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The same applies if that plate had piss on it. Unless you're making a general anti-cunnilingus argument or something, this isn't really proving anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 12:38 PM
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The problem with this "external vs internal validation" research is that as far as I can tell, most of it is based on the idea that you already have a certain level of external validation. People who are supposedly "internally validated" usually have friends, family and aren't virgins. It's kind of a meaningless statement to say these people are mostly internally validated when they don't actually know what it means to not have those basic things they take for granted. The thread OP was about me…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:52 PM
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Tbh this is kind of an odd argument focusing too much on irrelevant details, even if I agree with the main point. It's definitely true that having a support system makes raising children 100x easier, this is one of the huge mistakes our modern independence obsessed society makes. It just doesn't necessarily have to be the wife's mother, or even a woman for that matter (even if men spend less time with children, they can still be important to take load off the mother).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 12:38 PM
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This has nothing at all to do with my comment. The point is that EVERYONE builds the majority of their self worth on the validation of others, including you. That's why terms like "peer pressure" or "societal expectations" exist, as a woman I'm sure you're very aware of how powerful societal influences can be for your self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 11:31 AM
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I feel like it's definitely possible to move in that direction with practice, I made an active effort to become more emotionally detached and manipulative back in my redpill days, and it worked. It definitely has its limits though, you'll never become some charismatic psychopath CEO if you're starting out as an awkward highly anxious basement dweller.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:31 AM
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Are you a lifelong virgin with no friends? If not, it's very hypocritical to hold other people to a standard that you can't even uphold yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:14 AM
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Your own quote defeats your point: "not necessarily sexual inadequacy", "his regular partner" (if he has a partner, he cannot be an incel). The most you could say is that a part of this group (which in turn is only one of the four types) fits the description of an incel, which is very different from serial grapists USUALLY being incels. But like I said, this doesn't even have anything to do with my original point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:16 AM
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I most likely agree with what you believe (that men and women are biologically different?), but this is a terrible example that doesn't support whatever incoherent point you're trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:56 AM
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Honestly I could name things like suicide rates, homelessness, societal expectations of hyperagency, etc. But let's focus on this specific argument, and yes, even lack of sexual access is a problem that leads to a lot of suffering for a person. And I am 99% sure you know this too, because I doubt you're a lifelong virgin. You've had sex, which means you have the desire and know the value of it, so you're not even applying the same standard to yourself that you expect of these people (which seems…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:16 AM
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How do you even arrive at the conclusion that he's "making excuses"? To me it seems like he made a genuine effort and is frustrated by the lack of results. That's a perfectly normal thing to feel, people in these situations need encouragement and empathy to keep going, not someone to shit on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 06:53 AM
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I think what I'm not getting across is that I think the person in question is rarely even actually being misogynistic in the first place. Most people will at some point say something that could be misconstrued as misogynist or misandrist when they're venting about their dating struggles. Incels do the same thing, but people will take their mild venting online, which is usually not any more offensive than what the average woman says about men, and try to "read the between lines" or "detect dogwhi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 05:56 AM
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I'm not talking about polite platitudes, politeness would be a big improvement, I'm talking about the fact people try to assign a moral failure to incels' lack of success and treat them like garbage online (doesn't seem to happen in real life as much, but these guys live on the internet, so how they're treated there matters)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 05:26 AM
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Your article doesn't support what you're saying at all, nothing in there says "serial grapists are usually awkward incels who have had VERY few partners". But even if it did, that's irrelevant to my point of women supposedly being able to tell someone is a misogynist and being repeled by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 05:22 AM
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That's my point. If someone can have enough redeeming traits to have romantic success despite being misogynistic, trying to assign incels' lack of success to perceived misogyny (usually based on their online venting, which is only a fraction of the misogyny of someone who abuses women in real life) is incorrect and straight up gaslighting. As far as what kind of advice to give single average and below average men, while not being a piece of shit is a good thing and net positive for attractivenes…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 01:00 PM
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Funny how this magical women's intuition works for awkward incels who say mildly critical things online, but completely fails when it comes to dating genuinely violent and abusive men who cause real harm in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 09:24 AM
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Exactly, you want to genuinely be the most attractive man she's ever been with, that's the only way to ensure genuine desire. And this is a big part of the reason why men care about N count so much, if she didn't have many partners in the past, this is a much easier task if you're an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 09:19 AM
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I don't think anyone wants pity, they'd just prefer to stop being gaslighted about the reasons why they're single. Straight up indifference would be a huge improvement compared to the "uhh sweaty you're only single because you hate women, your venting and mildly critical comments online clearly show it" (nevermind actual misogynists who beat and rape women and don't seem to struggle at all with getting relationships in comparison, we'll just ignore them)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:38 AM
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I'm curious, what specifically do you mean by "lower quality of life"? I struggle to think of a scenario other than extremes like having to pay rent and food for a deadbeat unemployed bf.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 01:10 PM
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Lowering your standards is unironically good advice in many areas of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 01:06 PM
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100% true. The bucket list of all possible "red flags" and "toxic traits" you'll find on the internet is so comprehensive, that it's literally impossible to find a real human boyfriend/girlfriend that doesn't have at least one of them. If you go on something like r/relationship_advice, they'll tell you to break up and find someone else for every minor inconvenience, as if perfect relationship material partners with no flaws are waiting around every corner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 01:04 PM
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I'm not 30 yet, and I wouldn't date an woman older than myself. But assuming I were to break up with my current gf, and this happened when I'd be old enough where those women became more of a feasible option, I'd probably be a bit more tolerant of a single digit N count. Virginity is still the ideal in my eyes, but now that I have some experience myself, I'm a bit more tolerant of a N count, just as long as it's still low.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 06:26 PM
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It certainly depends on the professional in question, but my therapist never tried to make me believe anything of the sort. He even gave me some practical advice on meeting women (then I found a gf pretty soon after, so there was no need for further advice)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:49 PM
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Thankfully I don't see much of this in my country, it seems to be a mostly US thing. But it is concerning for the future if it continues in this direction, because it will negatively affect regular men, who already are not doing the best mentally. Men in power meanwhile will be unaffected and probably laugh at these puny attempts to overthrow them, while they continue to profit off the division within the regular population.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:25 PM
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The difference is, unlike in the business world, a man's mindset regarding how desirable he is actually matters a lot to his attractiveness. If a man believes he needs to "grovel in the mud" and take whatever woman he can get, his mindset will show through in the way he talks and overall demeanor, in ways that are extremely unattractive to most women. One thing I will say though is that people who usually say the same thing as me completely mix up the cause and effect. Men end up having this min…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:17 AM
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The median LIFETIME body count for both men and women is in the single digits. The idea that the majority of women regularly sleep around is a myth. Buf the reason it's so pervasive is likely because it's spread by both promiscuous people and incels for different reasons (the former because they simply don't know what the world is like outside of their promiscuous social circle, the latter because they tend to catastrophize and negatively compare themselves to others in every area of life regard…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:08 PM
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The authors of the articles AI is pulling this data from seem quite biased, you can literally see from the language used that they were desperate to debunk the idea (every sentence goes "well, it's true that higher N count people have higher likelihood of negative outcomes in this area, BUT")
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 11:55 AM
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This is the definition of whataboutism. By this logic none of the things you mentioned matter because there are starving children in Africa! We should just close this subreddit!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 09:10 AM
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True, if anything, it's much harder to find examples of so called "high value men" marrying hot 19 year old submissive virgins, which according to RP ideology should be the most desirable women on the planet. It's almost like the RP ideology is complete bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:18 AM
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It is possible you're seeing two different groups of men talking. Personally I dislike how plastic surgery looks (with some exceptions), even when selecting porn to watch by myself I always selected more natural looking women, but I'm aware that doesn't mean the same applies to all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:02 AM
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Why does it matter what women you're not compatible with do in their lives? Why the need to insult and disparage? Well, I don't insult and disparage them. I do believe the downsides of promiscuity need to be pointed out, because young girls and women are easily socially influenced into having sex because it's "cool" without actually being aware of the negative consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:42 PM
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You have no evidence the rule exists in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:48 PM
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I'd see it as a negative if she was high status, for the following reasons: 1) She would likely be very busy all the time and have no time for me, let alone any children, if we would decide to have them 2) She would probably be very disagreeable, arrogant and uncompromising, because those are usually the personality traits required to become high status, and those are also the exact traits that make someone a nightmare to deal with in a relationship 3) Personal opinion: Most industries full of "…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:13 AM
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Disagree, for several reasons: 1) Looks are pretty subjective, so you don't really know if a "5/10" girl is actually considered such by other people, or if she believes so herself. And even if she does, that doesn't mean she'll want you just because she considers you equal or higher attractiveness, not how this works. 2) Approaching dating with the mindset of "I'll take whatever I can get" is an absolutely horrible idea. Seriously, this will hurt you more than being short, or ethnic, or bald, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:32 PM
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That is usually the problem, only 21-30% of women orgasm at all during sex with no clitoral stimulation, and 51-60% with, still not a particularly high number.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 09:09 AM
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This will come across as bragging, which is not my intention, but I don't understand why most men seemingly find it so hard to make a woman orgasm. I lost my virginity in my late 20s, and I was able to make my first and only gf orgasm pretty much every time after only a few encounters. The key was to listen to her, spend at least 10 min on foreplay every time, and stimulate her clit during penetration. I have never even done oral or used toys, just those three things. Do most men simply not both…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:22 AM
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I agree with managing your risk by picking your opportunities carefully, but this is a terrible example. A "8/10" woman won't inherently react badly, because: 1) People can be rude regardless of how attractive they are. If there is any evidence showing more attractive people are more rude, I'd love to see it (my anecdotal experience has been the opposite, if anything). 2) The X/10 looks scale is not objective, a 8/10 in your mind might be a 6/10 to one man, or a 10/10 to another. Similarly, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:50 AM
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Manipulative people exist. You're making an assertion that it's nonsensical to worry about it based on no evidence at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 09:15 PM
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I'm not just referring to looks, but also personality traits which are important for making a good first impression, but not so much long term. For example being very confident, bold, a smooth talker, calm under pressure, etc. If a guy has all of these things, it's likely because he has practiced it on many different women. So if a woman tries to filter men based on them, she'll likely end up with a fboy who will pump and dump her, because he just sees her as wet hole #253.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 09:13 PM
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Too low in terms of judging long term character traits, yes. Definitely not too low when it comes to superficial traits that make them consider a man initially attractive, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:59 PM
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That's completely logical on their part, having no experience leaves you vulnerable to someone with a lot of experience to manipulate and exploit you. I don't know why you're trying to shame them for rightfully protecting themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:51 PM
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When a woman comes here and constantly scream that men are nothing but fucking machines, rapists, murderers, and generally the source of all evil, will you say the same thing Because, frankly, I could compile a list of at least twenty usual suspects Please do, and one example will be enough. I really doubt any woman on here has said those exact words, but I'll allow myself to be surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:40 PM
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My point is that even the "proper" redpill ideology (According to who anyway?) has some really fragile flawed foundations. I gave the 80/20 rule as an example, but I could provide others if you want. As someone who was "redpilled" for about a decade, there is some geniunely useful advice in the ideology mostly pertaining to self improvement, but the majority of it is really toxic and misguided, to the point that I think the damage done to young men by the ideology outweighs the benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 04:24 PM
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The problem is that redpillers don't really convincingly prove those patterns exist in the first place. For example, they will take something like that online dating study about women finding 80% of men unattractive and build the whole 80/20 ideology around that. The problem is, there isn't even agreement among redpillers what that's even supposed to mean. Is it 80% of women having sex with 20% of guys population wide? That's impossible based on the known numbers of sexual partners of men and wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 12:52 PM
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Having sex before 18 is generally not a good idea, and it probably didn't benefit your development or relationships later in your life. And yes, not every single example ever in the world is like this, I'm sure your mother's sister's uncle's third cousin had sex when she was 11 and turned out perfectly fine. We're speaking in generalities here. For some reason I have to point this out, even though I didn't use the word "all" anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 01:20 PM
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This 1000x
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 09:18 AM
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What are important areas of commonality in relationships that can only be present with people close in age?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:27 PM
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Muh heckin cartoons and pop culture probably. Everything else is non age specific, especially most traits that make two people compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:25 PM
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This doesn't really make sense. People with opposite characteristics get into relationships all the time, in fact those opposites are often the reason for attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:02 AM
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You can in most countries around the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 05:46 AM
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Don't really think so, many men on this subreddit have had the experience of having their crush taken away by an older man and feeling inadequate in comparison. And considering how many people are vocally against age gap relationships, apparently it happens often enough to be worrying in their eyes. Frankly this whole discussion is ridiculous to me. If you're old enough to vote, you're old enough to decide who to date, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 07:10 PM
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Most women do go through a few hookups Citation needed. The only actual data I've seen on this topic shows that the average lifetime body count for women is in the single digits, without separating LTR or hookup. But just based on numbers alone, it's not really possible for the average woman to have several hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:54 PM
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B, although you kinda idealized this option while making option A as unappealing as possible, so the point you're trying to make with this post falls a bit flat in my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:36 PM
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If you only survey men and women in the current16-22 range, you will certainly find the opposite. Ah yes, gotta love the bullshit stats manosphere guys come up with once actual data challenges their narratives
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:11 PM
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Despite the redpill narrative, the amount of women who even have hookups in the first place, let alone often enough to categorize men into husband and hookup material, is pretty low. There are enough women out there interested in only LTRs, that you don't need to ever settle for someone who will treat you as a second option compared to a random hookup she had in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 09:38 AM
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I don't know whether this is true or not, but I have seen a surprising lack of evidence. Can anyone provide a study that shows data from both men and women side by side?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:30 AM
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The male fantasy is to meet a woman who has never even touched a man before, but finds him and only him specifically so hot, that she jumps his bones on the first date and turns into a complete slut, but only for him. So it's not that complicated, it's about feeling special and like you're so much more attractive than other men, that you're able to have this effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:19 AM
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That's certainly a large part of it. But if you give most men the choice between a virgin and a 30 body count woman, both equally as good in bed, pretty much all of them will choose the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 08:20 AM
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What exactly has been debunked about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 12:13 PM
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I think it's perfectly valid as a general question. Because a lot of men are undesirable based on traits like low self confidence, lack of trying, overthinking, cynicism, paranoia... Following what the manosphere says in that instance will usually make things even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:29 AM
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Jesus christ, they're literally making shit up based on no evidence just so they have a reason to bash a man. I feel bad for people who actually take relationship advice from subreddits like these
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:14 PM
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Whatever level of detail the person prefers. The point is to avoid a situation where your partner hides or lies by omission about things that would make you uncomfortable if you found out. Burying your head in the sand and pretending the past didn't happen like your original comment seems to advocate is about the worst thing you can do in this situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 12:53 PM
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If you know each other's N count and neither of you is lying by omission about certain sexual acts, that pretty much covers everything. But if for example he had homosexual sex in the past (this is an example, insert whatever gives you personally the ick) and you find out way down the line because one of his friends accidentally reveals it, that would be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:21 AM
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How long is a piece of string? Depends on the man. As a general guideline, I will say that men who demand sex by the 3rd date are probably the redpill high N count types who want to pump and dump you. Men who are interested in marriage will be willing to wait a lot longer if they know you're a virgin. A couple of months is probably a good general guideline, personally I was willing to wait a year for a virgin (although it then ended up being only a few months, because my gf initiated it).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:31 AM
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Nah, you should be 100% open and transparent about every past romantic and sexual relationship you've ever had with your current partner. If the idea of that gives you the ick or you say some bullshit like "don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to", that's because you secretly find the other person's sexual history undesirable and should ideally break up due to incompatibility. However, since people in the western world have been told they're shallow or bad for caring about sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:55 AM
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While blackpillers do exaggerate the importance of height, the idea that women care about it is far from nonsense. Even my gf told me that me being tall was definitely an advantage, and she wouldn't have dated me if I was shorter than her (she's 171 cm or 5'7).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 10:45 AM
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I feel like it's pretty convenient to only point out how age affects marital stability, but not body count too. Virgins are the least likely to divorce, so this disputes the idea of a woman who "had fun in her youth" is the least likely to divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:19 AM
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Partially agree, but I think the frustration comes from the type of traits that seem to be desirable. Many women won't break their rules for a man if he's kind hearted, treats them well, responsible, emotionally open and stable... while being short and autistic, but they will for an abusive deadbeat junkie who is tall and charismatic, even though the first guy is in almost all aspects a much more respectable and valuable person to society. The disconnect comes from the idea that it seems like yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:09 AM
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Certainly wasn't my intention to come across as patronizing. I'm speaking from personal experience as someone who was stuck in the depths of hopelessness and thought I wasn't worthy of being loved for most of my life. I managed to turn it around, and I believe most people can too if they work at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 07:44 AM
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All women? Nah, among the billions of women in the world there certainly is at least one who would date you. But ok, I understand that finding that woman might be so difficult that it's not worth the effort if you have a lot of traits which most women find unappealing. Even in that case there are a few problems, one being that the majority of men who think they're in this category actually aren't (I know from personal experience). And even on the off chance you are in this category, feeling sorr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 07:45 PM
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You're not addressing what I'm saying, I suspect intentionally, so I'm not wasting my time anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 07:35 PM
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What kind of weird strawman did you come up with? I have never in my life seen a redpiller advocate that a woman must do something neither she or her current boyfriend like, simply because she did it in the past. The background is obviously that the boyfriend wants to do it, otherwise what would even be the point? And in your specific scenario doesn't even contradict that. If the man in this scenario wanted to get pegged, but his gf refused to do it while happily doing it in the past, he would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 03:03 PM
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Zero? More than 50% of men in the US get married, not even counting those who are just in relationships, while the average woman has a LIFETIME body count in the single digits, so clearly most of them are not in a AF/BB situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:57 AM
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I don't really know why this seems contradictory. My girlfriend was a virgin before me, so I'm completely at peace about her past and don't spend any time thinking or worrying about it. That said, I cared about promiscuity in women when I was first starting to date her, and in the event we (hopefully never) break up, I would start caring again. And when I encounter topics like this, I share my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:17 AM
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I think you fundamentally misunderstand what redpillers are saying. Their point is that a woman not wanting anal with her current bf is fine if she had never done it before, but if she had before and doesn't now, that's a problem and shows she's not attracted to her current bf as much as a guy in the past. There are a lot of problems with this argument (which is why I don't agree with it completely), but it's a very different one to what you seem to be arguing against.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 07:59 AM
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I don't even conpletely agree with redpillers on this point, but you didn't even make an actual analogy to what they're saying. The actual analogy would be if the man in question got pegged in the past and refused to do it with his current girlfriend, while the girlfriend wanted to do it. If the man never got pegged before and/or the gf doesn't want it, the analogy falls apart. Also, unlike the inverse, this is kind of a ridiculous unlikely scenario that would basically never happen in real life…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 06:39 AM
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I feel like many of you underestimate just how much people like to talk about themselves. If you come across as reasonably trustworthy, women will talk about their past partners and experiences completely unprompted, I've even had female acquaintances who I wasn't interested in romantically tell me these things without asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 12:34 PM
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This is possibly the worst point I've seen anyone try to argue on PPD. Tell me, if for example 12% of all women in the US got raped, would that not be considered a lot?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 12:25 PM
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I think a not too well hidden secret is that people who disagree with paternity testing don't actually care whether you are stuck unknowingly raising someone else's child. Paternity testing laws in France, as well as the rhetoric commonly used ("it would break families apart for no reason", "who cares about biology, what matters is you developed a bond with the child") are pretty good indications. It's very sneaky and frankly kind of disgusting the way they try to minimize the worst betrayal a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 01:53 PM
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If you see women as purely holes, you're missing out on the enjoyment of having a girlfriend. Most of the things I value about my relationship don't have anything to do with sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 01:55 PM
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You're literally proving OP's point
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 11:47 AM
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I know what you're talking about, I've seen comments along the lines of "I won't ever have sex with a man who won't give me oral". Honestly I think this is something mainly said by terminally online feminists, in reality there are plenty of women who don't like receiving oral sex, in many cases even despite the man wanting to eat her out. It is true that PiV alone won't make most women orgasm, but that doesn't mean oral is the only alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 11:28 AM
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Tbh that could've easily been simply because they want to bang, not because they find any woman interesting. While I don't agree with the redpill cynical explanation this is all men, there certainly is a subset who behaves like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:59 AM
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Honestly I feel bad for men who genuinely feel this way
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:51 AM
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Yup, very good point. Being able to be "bored" and practice delayed gratification is a desirable trait that will benefit you in so many ways. Unfortunately, most people (women to a larger extent imo) are unable to be bored, they constantly chase the next dopamine fix and women specifically seem to expect their partner to be their dancing monkey.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:47 AM
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Attempting to portray fat people as helpless victims is a losing battle and makes you look ridiculous to neutral observers, just so you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:33 AM
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I never understood this either. Promiscuity is undesirable in both women AND men if your goal is to have a stable long term relationship. And even if men were somehow mentally not affected at all by their promiscuity, if you believe women having a high N count is a bad thing, then it's still not ok to sleep around as a man, because you're contributing to the increase in said N count.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:25 AM
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Definitely wouldn't skip it, but it would be much shorter. I often feel like I'm taking forever with foreplay, and even then it's often not enough, because I have to put in my penis very slowly and gradually, otherwise it hurts for her. All things considered though, this is a very small sacrifice on my part, I'll continue doing it because I know she needs it to enjoy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 08:38 AM
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women don't really want to be approached romantically at all. And before you say "build up normal relationships, build chemistry" - they also don't like, when a friend catches feelings. Women aren't a monolith. One woman will prefer a direct approach, the other will prefer to be friends first. And unfortunately some of these women think really selfishly and try to shame men to stop approaching in the way that's opposite to what they prefer. From a man's point of view, my advice is to approach an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:48 AM
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women don't really want to be approached romantically at all. And before you say "build up normal relationships, build chemistry" - they also don't like, when a friend catches feelings. Women aren't a monolith. One woman will prefer a direct approach, the other will prefer to be friends first. And unfortunately some of these women think really selfishly and try to shame men to stop approaching in the way that's opposite to what they prefer. From a man's point of view, my advice is to approach an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:47 AM
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I have a very different perspective on this from the typical redpill one: I don't want a woman who is attracted to overly risky bad boys at all. If she has those tendencies and is trying to supress them because she logically recognizes it's not good for her, that's even worse. inb4 all women are like that My own personal experience and stats say otherwise. While there certainly are (usually damaged and traumatized) women who crave guys who treat them like shit, most women aren't that way. Their …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:32 AM
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Being a charismatic, confident, assertive and interesting man. If that's the opposite of you currently, the good news is that all those traits can be significantly improved with effort, time and experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:16 AM
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Ideally both the man and the woman should fully agree on major life decisions, while being able to compromise on the insignificant stuff. If you're constantly getting into relationships where the woman is trying to force you into a major life decision you don't agree with, that's a big problem. It means you either encountered really controlling toxic women, or you keep getting into relationships with women you aren't compatible with, or you lack boundaries because you got raised with the idea of…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:50 AM
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The purpose of a relationship for a woman is to be with a guy she loves and admires. If the guy needs too many step by step instructions for sex and lacks creativity and self initiative, then she's going to get the ick and slowly lose her love and admiration for the guy. Note that this is not me saying this is a good thing (I think the world would be a much better place if women were more direct), but a description of how things are in many relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 02:42 PM
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Some basic guidance is necessary of course. But if the guy needs step by step instructions, that gives many women the ick, because what they're attracted to is a guy who doesn't need to be told what to do and just knows. Also, in such cases guys often act like a robot during sex and do the same move over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 09:16 AM
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Yes, but I question the value of "having something over them" in the first place. Comparisons like that come from a place of low self esteem, a person who is confident in themselves wouldn't have this thought in the first place. I know, because I've been on both sides of this, it's wild realizing how many insecure thoughts I don't have anymore compared to even 1 year ago. Mine had one kiss before me, no other sexual things (no touching genitals, oral, sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:39 AM
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Largely agree, but there's a problem. Women are attracted to and feel safe with a guy who "just gets it" in all areas of life. Needing to spoonfeed him and guide him step by step will often kill all attraction and defeat the purpose of being in a relationship with him in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:56 AM
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It's perfectly fine to want a low N count woman if you decide this is desirable from the viewpoint of having shared values and/or lower risk of cheating. But the feelings of other guys having something over you and laughing at you is the important part here. Those feelings pretty much always originate from low self esteem and low self worth, which negatively impacts your life in ways you can't even imagine (speaking from personal experience). If you can afford it, this is something worth explori…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:50 AM
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My friend literally keeps a list in his notes app lol, I can believe it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:36 AM
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I think it is possible, one of the things that really attracted me to my gf initially was that she was a virgin, at the time it would've been a dealbreaker if she had even 1 guy before me. But looking on it now, I realize I don't even care anymore, there are so many more important traits for relationship success and happiness. I still definitely wouldn't want to date a high N woman, but if this relationship were to fall apart and I needed to find a new woman, I'd expand my search to low N women …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:32 AM
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My real life experience contradicts this, the two girlfriends I've had (1 and 0 body count) didn't mind I was a late 20s virgin at all, if anything they saw it as a positive. High N women would probably see it as much more of a negative, but frankly, do you even want to date such women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:27 AM
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The importance of body count for me is what it implies about the view on sex and the other person's values. A non consensual encounter obviously doesn't fit into that, even if technically it still increased their body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:02 PM
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Thank you, hope you succeed in finding a good woman who will enrich your life too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 02:48 PM
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Exactly. Most of the reason people care about N count in the first place is because of the behavior it implies, not the actual number itself. A woman who feels a strong desire to sleep around and chase novelty, but limits herself to anal because "it doesn't really count" isn't really fooling anyone but herself. She still has most of the negatives of a high N woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 01:07 PM
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That's a good mindset to have. The surprising thing I've realized after all the years beating myself over my head for still being a 28 year old virgin, was that you need to value yourself enough to have high standards, which will paradoxically massively improve your chances of having sex with a woman you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 01:01 PM
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Same here, I actually attracted the two women I've dated in my life by borderline trauma dumping. If I think back to the situations where I could tell a woman I was hanging out with had no attraction to me, I was really stifled and afraid to open myself up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 09:52 AM
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You're suffering from grass is greener syndrome. Being a virgin man on the internet makes people doubt your entire worth as a human being, when men in this position almost certainly already struggle with their self worth. "Virgin", "incel", "can't get laid", "no woman would ever want to touch you", "no woman would ever feel safe around you", etc. are top things frequently said in jest especially by supposedly "progressive" feminists, usually in the context of "you're so pathetic and worthless th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 09:07 AM
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Honestly this is true. While I personally care about body count, this doesn't go for every man, so if you're the type to want to sleep around, don't stop yourself from doing things you want to do. After you've had your fun, you'll still be able to find a man with similar experiences who will be happy to marry you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 08:53 AM
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Honestly if a person tries to get by on all of these technicalities (with exception of SA), that's effectively the same as having a high N count. A woman who doesn't want to be promiscuous simply won't do things like this with men she doesn't want a long term relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 08:49 AM
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It probably won't be a magical experience like the movies show. My proper first time (I tried before that but I couldn't get an erection due to nerves) was super tense, my heart felt like it was going to explode out of my chest and I was so nervous I couldn't feel anything. However, you're definitely justified in wanting your first time to be with a girl you genuinely care about. The fact that it was my girlfriend who I shared this moment with made it so much better, hiring a prostitute to just …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 08:45 AM
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If you're old enough to vote, you're old enough to choose who to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:42 PM
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If what you're saying is true, that means they see an average perfectly decent man as disgusting. That's exactly the problem the manosphere points out time and time again.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 12:24 PM
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The logical response to these problems would be to stop getting drunk at parties and hooking up with random guys you don't know
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 10:05 AM
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As someone who has this mindset, it's very simple. I am quite peaceful with people I live with, I don't like getting into arguments and disagreements. For example, if someone has a lower standard of cleanliness than me, my first instinct will be to try to adjust to a lower standard (if it's not so low that's it's a health hazard, which it usually isn't). If that doesn't work for me, I'll pick up part of the slack myself, since I recognize it's just my subjective standard of cleanliness. If that …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:47 AM
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You're attempting to lump a bunch of people with wildly different beliefs who don't really have any connection as part of one movement
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 11:50 AM
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It's just cognitive dissonance by black and redpillers when they realize their narrative of "modern womyn are all 304s!!!!" crumbles to dust in face of actual data.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 11:11 AM
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Getting talked over in professional settings and talked down to in intellectual settings, questioned even in my own areas of expertise and mocked for any flaws in my appearance come with being female It does, and this is one area where men are privileged compared to women. At the same time, what we talked about in previous comments are privileges of being a woman, both are true at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 08:38 AM
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Anyone is certainly free to not personally value characteristics by which other people value them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 10:38 AM
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It is, men don't deny this. That why sugar daddies exist in the first place. That's a view you can have I suppose, but you are in the extreme minority, just so you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:40 AM
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Compared to men, yes. The fact you find this idea so ridiculous and unthinkable is kind of an indicator of your own privilege tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:33 AM
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It is a form of value, just not the kind you prefer. Also, I always find it ridiculous the word choice some of you use to attempt to demonize the natural human desire for sex that both men AND women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:28 AM
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If women don’t like being abused and harassed by men, we can impose social consequences. And one of the best ways of doing that is having other men take our side, which you clearly aren’t doing. I'm always fascinated by this mindset. What world do y'all live in where men who SA women already don't get punished and socially ostracized?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:19 AM
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Drowning with attention from the opposite gender ready to have sex with them at the drop of a hat.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:02 AM
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They're kind and pleasant to be around, and I can have deeper conversations about emotions and be vulnerable to a larger extent than with male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:51 AM
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Damn this hits close to home. This mindset of believing that you're not good enough as you are, and needing to put on a "masculine" behavior front to be accepted, is ironically one of the least masculine things you can do. Once I freed myself of it, my life significantly improved in basically all areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 09:57 AM
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Depends on the reason she's broke. Being saddled with debt because she's financially irresponsible would be a huge problem in a long term relationship, because I wouldn't be able to trust her with finances. However, it wouldn't actually affect my attraction for the woman. If I ever get to the point where I can support a whole family on just my own income, I would have zero issues marrying a broke woman (not in huge debt) with no ambition.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 09:16 AM
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Not having your needs listened to and taken seriously is hardly a universally female experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:56 AM
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For the type of person who wants to nag, they'll just find another thing to nag about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:55 AM
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I see it as a bit problematic that the men are blamed for this, when nice men are usually plenty exciting to themselves and their friends, but often just not to women they're dating. Where's the woman's responsibility for what she's attracted to? If a man can only get turned on by plastic tits and jackhammer anal sex, people would rightly call him out for having unrealistic expectations and having a porn brain, but it seems it doesn't go the other way too. If you can only get turned on by asshol…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 08:10 AM
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Frankly you're projecting your own meaning into the statements of both the other person (unless there's important context you didn't provide) and me. I haven't seen the word "weak" used anywhere, nor does the statement as you quoted it constitute victim blaming or comparison to not getting sex. As far as what I said, again, you're fighting a strawman. I never said it's the only source, but it's an important one for the majority of people. Why do you think the majority of people seek sex to such …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:29 PM
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Honestly I think you mixed up the original statement of whatever the original person tried to say. The way you worded it, I don't see any comparison or attempt to portay oneself as a victim, just two separate unrelated statements which are both largely true. Many people use the word "need" within the context of a relationship for things that aren't essential for survival. If you think the majority of both men and women are mentally wrong, fair enough, but I think that's a weird position to take.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 12:56 PM
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Same here, the women in my life treat me well and I'm very grateful for them for that. It's what keeps me sane, if most women in real life actually behaved like the women on here, I'd be a raging misogynist lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:00 AM
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In these discussions it always seems like only incels and other men adjacent to them are held up to this incredibly unrealistic standard of zen and emotional maturity that pretty much nobody can live up to
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:44 AM
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I don't think they're expecting women here to provide any of that, just to stop gaslighting and give at least some recognition that this is a thing that happens and is a problem. If you for example got disrespected and condescended to in the workplace because you're a woman, and every time you talked about it the responses from men ranged from "this doesn't happen" to "you must have done something to deserve it", would that not feel incredibly frustrating and invalidating? inb4 this already happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:40 AM
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Both of those statements are largely true. The first one is descriptive and not a statement that this is a desirable scenario. With the second one I don't agree that a person needs to be above average attractiveness, but sex with people you find at least average who genuinely desire you is an important source of emotional connection and validation for most people, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 07:53 AM
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People who freak out about strange men in the woods are focusing on a horror movie scenario too. A random man in the woods is almost certainly a harmless hiker or logger, the idea that he'll be a complete psycho who wants to torture you for no reason is incredibly rare. You're almost certainly more likely to encounter a mother bear who will eat you alive to protect her cubs than a random psycho.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 07:40 AM
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Every time I post this opinion I have many people disagreeing or even getting upset, so apparently yes. I thought it would be common sense
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 10:41 PM
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It's subjective depending on the person, same as an age gap, or "power dynamics". If you feel uncomfortable or icky from hearing the body count of the other person, that's a good indication that you should at least consider whether you are compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 10:04 PM
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Then they should learn to stop sounding so desperate. When you act like you’ll take anything, people will think you will take anythings. Beggars cant be choosers, so stop begging. I reject this entire characterization frankly, I'd like to see an example of what exactly this is supposed to be. If a guy can only feel cared for through sex, something’s mentally wrong with him. I don't know where the word "only" came from. It's not the only thing, but sex is a crucial need for most people. I, person…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 09:55 PM
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What the other guy said. Those aren't necessarily mutually exclusive traits, but guys who are that confident extraverted type are usually also the type to constantly chase novelty and dopamine hits by getting with lots of different women, which makes them poor fathers. And on the other hand, a guy who seems boring at first (even if after a few weeks he might not be anymore) might be an excellent father, but he can't get past the first hurdle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 09:42 PM
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Mostly having a very confident extroverted charismatic personality with zero anxiety about making a move on the woman. That's one of the most important characteristics to even put yourself in enough situations where you can meet a woman, but it isn't nearly as important later on in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 08:02 PM
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On the point about sex, men are in almost all cases referring to consensual enthusiastic sex, because that's the kind of sex that shows a woman really cares about a man. Going your whole life without even a hint that a woman might ever genuinely desire you really does a number on one's mental state, which women will never understand, since that's one of the areas where they're extremely privileged compared to men. If you don't like the word choice, what word do you suggest they use?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 06:22 PM
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I feel like "body count gap" should be a thing a lot more carefully considered by people. If one partner has a way higher body count, at minimum that usually represents a big difference in values, but even on an emotional level most low N people find promiscuity at least a bit icky.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 06:14 PM
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The problem is that in many cases, men who would be great fathers don't have the characteristics to make a great first impression, meaning they don't even get through the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:59 PM
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Has anyone ever done a breakdown of how likely you're to be murdered/eaten/raped/etc. by a bear vs man PER ENCOUNTER? This would put this silly misandrist debate to rest once and for all, at least among good faith logical people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:42 PM
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I'm curious, why are you bringing up your own experiences in a debate forum if you don't want people to discuss them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:33 PM
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Sorry, but is she's going to use SA for sympathy points in a debate, that then becomes fair game to discuss within the context of a debate
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 01:46 PM
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Not 10/10 because I don't believe in that, I said she's attractive, which she is
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 07:02 PM
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I don't get it, she's still attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:30 AM
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I'm curious, did you manage to regain a healthy sex drive and how did you do it? I recently realized I have this issue, I can't maintain an erection during sex with my gf, only when masturbating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 11:39 AM
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To play devil's advocate, how do you know they didn't fake the orgasms? That would explain why they suddenly stopped wanting sex
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:27 PM
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People who need dating advice the most are often autistic and/or don't really know what "behaving like a normal/decent person" means. That's the whole reason they're struggling with dating in the first place. If we collectively acknowledged that the social contract requires a certain degree of fakery and lies, I think we'd be better off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:56 PM
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Honestly I think at least half of all dating struggles men have would be resolved with expanding their friend groups, both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:50 PM
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I mostly talk to the girl I like, but I also don't ignore the other girls, so I'm not coming off as creepy or desperate. I mostly agree, but I'd like to point out that this is fake, which kinda goes against the advice of "be authentic" that you often hear. No wonder guys get confused with so much contradictory advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:34 PM
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Yeah I actually think the same, all of these have at least a grain of truth to them, I don't think they're straight up wrong. I just wish people wouldn't parrot these in such a simplistic dismissive way without addressing the nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:13 PM
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In OP's defense, I don't see him defending or agreeing with this behavior, just pointing out it exists in SOME men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:08 PM
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"Height/looks don't matter, it's all about confidence/personality" "There's someone out there for everyone, you'll find someone one day, just keep trying" "Her past doesn't matter, the only thing that's important is that she's with you now. Don't ask questions you don't want to hear the answers to" And the most annoying one (after saying anything that sounds even remotely like complaining/criticism of the dating market) "You're single because you're secretly misogynistic, women can tell from you…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:03 PM
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Personally I think not telling men pretty lies anymore and openly discussing the truth of the world would go a long way. It's very, very frustrating to point out inconsistencies between common bluepill narratives and real life, only for most women to borderline gaslight, minimize your experiences and sometimes even try to shame you (which I'm not saying you're doing, I'm speaking in general).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 09:20 AM
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I'm not sure I understand the question exactly. I now have a better physique, better job, more friends and a girlfriend for the first time in my life, those are all easy to measure improvements. Whether I can give credit to "self-improvement" is hard to say, I suppose all of the actions I did could be done by someone who never heard of self-improvement before.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:18 PM
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For me it was a combination of: 1) Watching/reading other funny people's conversations so you have a good reference point. And I'm not talking about the cringy PC self depreciating "humor", but "alpha" arrogant/cocky humor. Unironically a lot of old school PUA material has helped me here, sometimes I even copied it line for line. But it's more important to feel the vibe and be able to come up with your own stuff on the fly, which leads me to: 2) Gaining confidence and not being stuck in your own…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:12 PM
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I'm of two minds about this. Self improvement definitely did help me in my relationship, it made me more attractive both visually and personality wise, gave me a lot of interesting conversation topics, I became a lot funnier, I don't get jealous because I improved my self esteem so much... I definitely wouldn't discount this advice, because it is genuinely beneficial, especially to guys who are on reddit complaining, those tend to be the people who need self improvement just to get to normie lev…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:36 AM
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This article was a lot milder than what I expected from Vice. She even described a pleasant encounter which ended with her giving a man her number.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 10:43 AM
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Well I can't know for sure what happened in your specific example, you could be completely in the right, but I've seen this go both ways. Can you give some examples of chores that weren't performed sufficiently and the things you said to your husband to convince him to start performing them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:52 PM
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because the husband doesn't pull his weight According to who? Her own subjective interpretation of what "should" be done?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 11:18 AM
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This. You should always do your best to be polite and respect women's wishes to not make them needlessly uncomfortable. But at the end of the day, pursuing someone romantically always carries some risk of making them uncomfortable, no matter how respectful you are about it, so don't worry about it too much if it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:21 AM
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This makes literally zero sense in light of his comment. Are you replying to the right person?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:47 PM
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Frankly if most women consider most men to be equally as unappealing as having same sex relations while being straight, that's a really strong confirmation of what red/blackpillers have been saying all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:02 AM
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Not necessarily a viewpoint I subscribe to, but "happiness" is a feeling that comes and goes, you can't base a lifelong commitment on feelings which fluctuate wildly. Almost everyone will at times feel unhappy or bored in a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:59 PM
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If you’re advocating that DNA tests at birth should be mandatory, then presumably you also believe that paternity fraud is widespread and that most women are serial cheaters That doesn't logically follow. There's nothing mutually exclusive about advocating for DNA tests while believing it's a small minority of cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:56 AM
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1-3% is a huge amount. That's honestly shocking to me, it's a lot worse than I thought. That means there are literally millions of fathers unknowingly raising a bastard child as their own, holy crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:11 AM
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My girlfriend is similar, we could tell each other we're getting out of shape and neither would be offended. Frankly, I find this common idea of needing to constantly lie to your partner to not hurt their feelings insane, I can't imagine why you'd possibly want to be in a relationship like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 09:50 AM
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What exactly is the point of this comment? There are plenty of old people who are not fat, it's a choice to have unhealthy habits which result in weight gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 09:44 AM
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if a young girl is told by her BOYFRIEND that if she doesn't sleep with him That's not casual sex by definition. And if she somehow has a high body count because she had so many boyfriends who all demanded sex quickly and she gave in, that's a red flag in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:20 AM
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Can someone tell me where you find these pick-mes? I've never seen a woman online or in real life who sacrifices herself for male approval to this extent. I've seen waaaaaay more examples of the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 08:25 PM
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Complete honesty. We share everything with each other, including things that many other couples might find sensitive topics, and neither gets offended even if the truth is not pleasant. It's such a breath of fresh air to have the exact opposite of the stereotype of a woman who needs to be lied to to keep her from freaking out and crying (in fairness, after touching grass for a bit and meeting new people I've found this stereotype to not really be true).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:52 PM
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Why do random people on the internet declare themselves to be the arbiters of what a "real feminist" is? Millions of shitty people call themselves feminists, including people in positions of power of feminist organizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 12:52 PM
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They might not prefer it, but it seems it doesn't really matter to those men. There are millions of virgin 18 year olds who would get down on their knees and beg Chris Hemsworth to marry them, yet he chose an older woman with a body count. Clearly virginity is not a big factor to men who have endless options, otherwise they would prioritize it a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 10:09 AM
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Depends on what you define as the town bicycle, but "high value men" almost always go for women who have a known body count. Chris Hemsworth, who is possibly the most desirable man on the planet overall, married a woman 8 years older with a body count of 4+, and that's just the publicly known relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 09:34 AM
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Not really how it works, but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 07:51 AM
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This idea of how much virginity is valued is one of the biggest lies the manosphere pushes. "High value men" who can have any woman almost never pick the shy 19 year old virgin traditional grocery store cashier who the manosphere tries to pretend is the ideal woman. Instead they pick famous women close to them in social status and age with a known body count, many times being openly promiscuous. As a woman, being a virgin at 25 will select for men who are in a similar position for similar reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:50 AM
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I feel like there's a huge middle ground there you're overlooking. Why would a woman even want to be in a relationship with a guy she finds completely repulsive? It's far more likely that for example she likes a guy in many ways and finds him to be a great long term partner, but maybe she doesn't find him the most attractive physically. In that case she might put on a bit of an act about how much she desires him, and yes, many men will go along with it knowingly, or unknowingly because they don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 07:07 AM
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Yeah it's just a silly immature revenge fantasy, if it actually happens, it must be an incredibly rare event
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:26 PM
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A different woman might, and he can't know im which category she belongs until he approaches. Which he has to do, because women basically never approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:22 PM
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You haven't proven the rule though. If anything, the rule is men being in long term relationships with women close to their age and social status/education level.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:46 AM
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How would you even do a scientific study about this? This is all subjective and outside the bounds of what science can accurately make observations about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:41 AM
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Any relationship is a gamble, for men and women alike. Hell, even not being in a relationship and staying single is a gamble with your own mental well being. You can't avoid risk in life, only reduce it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:20 AM
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I'll repost a comment I made in a previous thread: In my opinion most men deep inside have a fantasy of meeting a pure innocent virgin woman who hasn't even looked at a man before, but then after meeting him has only eyes for him, loses all inhibitions and starts having sex with him seconds after meeting, continuing multiple times per day until the day they die. Obviously this is unrealistic, but just like with women who date violent impulsive scumbags expecting to fix them and turn them into pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 08:58 PM
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She was referring to never having sex again though, quite different
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:16 PM
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Yeah this is always funny to me, it's like a rich person saying money doesn't matter
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 02:23 PM
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Talking about fallacies, this is a perfect example of a strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 02:21 PM
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It is still important, but in my opinion, men in general put a much lower priority on it than women. But also, men get their need for love met in large part through sex, it's inseparable. Sex is often the main way they determine if a woman truly loves them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:49 AM
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That's not force by any definition, people can freely choose who they associate with if their needs aren't getting met. I am almost certain you too have some requirements out of a relationship that most men probably aren't that excited about. How would you feel if those requirements weren't met? That's how most men feel without sex. But all of this is just discussion about most men. There actually are asexual men out there who would be compatible with you, they are just a tiny minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:26 AM
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Here's my theory for why this happens: Possibility 1: They don't believe you. If they knew for sure that you didn't "put out for Chad/Tyrone" in the past, they'd be happy to wait, but they can't know that in today's times. Possibility 2: In my opinion most men deep inside have a fantasy of meeting a pure innocent virgin woman who hasn't even looked at a man before, but then after meeting him has only eyes for him, loses all inhibitions and starts having sex with him seconds after meeting, contin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:19 AM
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Uhh what exactly do you expect? For a man to completely sacrifice one of their basic needs all while selflessly fulfilling your need for love and companionship? What makes your need more valuable or justifiable than theirs?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:02 AM
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Please provide some specific examples of this happening. I'm a bit autistic and my playful flirting can be quite awkward and hamfisted, and nothing remotely similar has ever happened to me, not even a hint of discomfort from women and men I was doing it with. I literally cannot imagine how you'd possibly go from that to sexual harassment charges, please describe it in more detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:57 PM
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For someone who has the view that all large age gap relationships are bad or suspect, that's kind of what they're implying. Otherwise they'd look at individual examples and decide based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:44 PM
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In that case, refer to point #3. Those relationships CAN be exploitative, but that doesn't mean they always are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:28 PM
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I would actually say 18 or above. If you're old enough to vote, you're old enough to decide who to date. Personally I find huge age gap relationships weird, but most of the arguments I see against them are just stupid. "Muh prefrontal cortex" Ok, then raise the voting age and age of consent to 25. It makes no sense to give 18 year olds agency in almost all areas of life, but then for some reason only make an exception here. "What will you even talk about?" Most topics I like to talk about aren't…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 11:39 AM
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Hasn't been my experience at all, personally. All women I know in real life are perfectly good people who don't hate men or wish revenge on them. Sure, there are some extremist feminist psychos and I think it's good to keep an eye out for them, to make sure they don't gain too much power. But stopping "playing nice" towards all women because of the actions of a extremist minority is not the way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:09 PM
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Dudes aren’t just not grasping the point, they’re wilfully refusing to grasp it. Are you a mind reader? If there's anything I learned from wasting hours debating various topics online, people genuinely don't get many things. And it's not because they're idiots, that applies to you and me as well depending on the topic, we all have our blind spots. If a chick says they’d rather be alone with a wild animal than some strange man; maybe it behooves you to pause for a moment and wonder why that is Mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:03 PM
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You don't need it to survive, sure, but that's missing the broader point. Clearly almost all people have enough of a desire for sex that they're willing to go through all sorts of bullshit and heartbreak to get it, in more extreme cases even things like working 80 hour weeks nonstop, getting risky plastic surgery, risk getting physically assaulted, etc. If normal people value sex so much that they are willing to do all this just to improve their chances, it's not reasonable to expect incels to j…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 08:41 AM
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It absolutely does matter. If you've ever had or wanted a relationship, you clearly had some sort of desire for it. Just like pretty much all people, both men and women. Incels have this same desire, they just happen to have some characteristic that prevents them from having one, and not being able to have a basic human experience that seems to come naturally to others really does a number on one's mental state. Of course, like I said before, their own mindset usually makes their predicament eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 08:20 AM
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Have you been voluntarily celibate your whole life?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:59 AM
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I'm sorry, but this narrative is really hard to take seriously. How many of you voluntarily decided to be alone for the rest of their lives? If you did, then fair enough, you're at least consistent. But people who don't struggle getting relationships telling others to not worry about relationships so much has the same energy as a rich person saying money isn't that important. Technically true, but there's a minimum threshold you need to meet for decent mental health, genuine incels are in a real…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:29 AM
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You're the one who started this thread "whining" about "dudes not grasping the point". I'm telling you the reason why that is, people tend to feel attacked and shut down when you use language that implies they're collectively worse than an animal. "B-but that wasn't the point!" Ok, and? How you say something is just as important as what you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:37 AM
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"Men are scary" is a misandrist thing to say, obviously people are going to push back on that statement. Don't say misandrist things and people will be much more receptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 12:26 PM
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Then pick a better analogy. If people consistently misunderstand your point, clearly you're not choosing a very effective way of communicating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 08:44 AM
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I dislike the female delusion calculator for several reasons, although in its defense I will say that it only shows stats for men in the age range you pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 03:39 PM
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That's good advice for your own mental well being, yes. But it doesn't help with turning a platonic relationship with a woman into a romantic one, which men are still expected to initiate in 99% of cases. If your point is that doing these things will "naturally" lead to a relationship, I can tell you for a fact this doesn't work. What seems "natural" to a woman took active effort on the guy's part.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:02 AM
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What exactly is the point of posting this video, is a random woman's opinion supposed to be evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 08:25 AM
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I will never interact with a virgin man because he’s more likely to have a mental breakdown and harm people You're presenting this as some horrible cruel unfathomable scenario, but it literally already happens??? Most women already avoid incels like the plague. Which is ironic, because they don't extend this behavior to actual criminals who have a history of already harming people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:07 PM
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Most useful dating advice from a woman on PPD
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:16 AM
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Has anyone here had some sort of cosmetic surgery and found it to have a noticeable difference on their dating success? I feel like this would be the most accurate way to determine how much your face matters compared to other factors which are easier to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:38 AM
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Balding or something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:35 AM
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But you looking good might be the difference between her "feeling a spark" or not, which could be crucial in whether she wants to get you know you better to discover your other qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:34 AM
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I would MUCH rather have a peanut allergy than struggle with dating as much as I do now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:42 AM
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I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like being in a happy long term monogamous relationship is an unachievable goal for 99% of people. Almost always one of the partners will get bored, annoyed, become toxic and/or cheat. People in long term relationships will often say stuff like "it takes a lot of work", which to me just sounds like you're forcing the relationship to exist past the point where it's enjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:37 PM
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This is such an annoying lazy argument. The reason those insults strike a nerve is BECAUSE the recipient is aware those things actually matter for how others in society perceive them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:56 PM
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Your first comment came across as a generalized statement bashing men and accusing them of faking the friendship all along. If that wasn't your intention and you were just venting, fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:19 PM
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Ok so you dismiss the possible explanation I'm giving you and immediately default to "men bad", great. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by that on this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 05:41 PM
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Those aren't mutually exclusive. A guy could still want a genuine friendship after being rejected, but continuing to hang out with you is awkward and emotionally painful, so he decides to cut contact to protect his feelings and be able to move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:42 PM
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Tbh I don't really know what you think this example proves, your experience seems to confirm the blue pill. You felt comfortable being your true authentic self presumably for the first time in your life and you attracted a woman who liked you for it. "Just be yourself bro" literally worked for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:12 AM
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Hasn't been my experience personally, I've had the most fun when hanging out with larger mixed sex groups. I've had many interesting platonic conversations with women, because they usually have a completely different viewpoint on the same topic compared to me or most men, and I usually end up learning something new.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:41 AM
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Because men who have all 3 are a tiny percentage of the population, so there's a very real chance you'll end up alone if that's your standard. Which if you're aware of this fact is perfectly fine, but I don't think most women are okay with the idea of never finding a long term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:37 AM
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Well fuck me, apparently what OP did is completely acceptable according to women here. I always thought something like this was quite disrespectful to do without consent, I suppose that explains why I ended up being a virgin for so long.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 05:37 PM
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Literally not a single time in my comment did I use the word "deserve".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:11 PM
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It seems to mean whatever the person who's using the word decides it to be, usually in a way that's most convenient for their narrative. A great example is all the criticism of "incels" (or often men in general) feeling "entitled" to a relationship, as if it's so evil to have one of the most basic human desires. And the funnier part is the people using the word "entitled" usually don't ever struggle with getting relationships themselves, so they have literally no idea what it actually feels like…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:03 PM
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Thank you for the in depth breakdown, this is very helpful
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 12:42 PM
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I find the part about being useless in clubs but doing well on college campuses very interesting, I feel I'm in a somewhat similar situation, the few women I've gone on dates with all came from daytime situations. How does that work for you usually, do you just strike up a conversation with random women walking around, and then ask them out after a few minutes of talking? Have you ever had any problems hanging out there, since I'm assuming you're not a student anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 11:25 AM
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I'm curious, on what basis do you assume it was "not being good enough"? Did you hit on the same women before and after becoming successful, and they told you that or something? Most women in general won't be attracted to you no matter what, being successful, ripped, charismatic just increases your odds.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 10:52 AM
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If you don't want kids, I don't think there's much rush tbh. Maybe if you want a LTR with an attractive guy in his 20s, since that type of guy probably won't want to date a woman older than him. But as far as being able to get into an LTR or married at all, that happens at all ages, what redpillers say about the wall isn't really true. I'd just consider whether your standards are unrealistic, since it seems like you couldn't find even a single suitable candidate after several months on dating ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:28 PM
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This is a very good point, they're trying to make it seem like we're just paranoid, when it's literally coded into law in some countries. If this got implemented in the US, I imagine the same people calling us paranoid would suddenly have no problem with such a policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:54 PM
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Not completely related to OPs point, but it's always interesting to me that bluepillers always go to the "well actually you shouldn't have children with people you don't trust 100%" point when this topic is discussed. Like, do you think that it's impossible to be deceived by someone? Are all the women who married a man who later turned out to be abusive just idiots? What exactly gives you the confidence that you're such a perfect judge of character that something like this could never happen to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:30 PM
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Yeah it's horrible advice. Even if you do manage to improve your overall "SMV" when you're in your 30s, you'll still need social skills you gain in your teens and 20s to take advantage of that. If you're a rich 30 year old who fell for the monk mode meme and just focused on finances and nothing else, you'll just attract gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 04:19 PM
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This would significantly improve society, unfortunately it's never going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:38 PM
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Rewatching those videos, I disagree that they constitute "staring". At worst they held their gaze uninterrupted for a few seconds, which is very borderline, certainly not anything worth getting outraged about. I think that's a lot closer to glancing. I've glanced and had other people glance at me many times on trains. Nobody ever showed even a hint of discomfort, let alone wanting to fight. I feel bad for you people who live in places where fighting someone because they looked at you is seemingl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:18 PM
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Lol people not wanting to date you is not bullying. This is ironically what incels get made fun of for regularly, in which case I'll give the standard response: you're not entitled to a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:02 PM
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In an ideal world I would agree, people shouldn't be judgemental. Realistically though, avoiding people with mental illnesses is something that makes sense. It's probably still better from an individual point of view to have 5 unhinged unmedicated people running around and doing occasional crimes or something, than be in relationship with a medicated one where they can directly negatively impact your life. And if it makes it less likely for those people to seek help because they don't want to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 02:47 PM
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It's a PC way of saying "here's how to compensate for this objectively undesirable trait", or in some cases "shut up and go away".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 02:23 PM
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This is way too wide a topic to cover in a single comment, but I would like to point out beta carotene, which can be found in foods like carrots, sweet potatoes, etc. or as a supplement. What it does is give you skin a bit more of an orange pigment without needing to tan, and in some studies has been shown to be considered more attractive than tanned skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 02:21 PM
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Yes for those people it sucks to have a stigma like that. But so what? The same goes for the stigma around many other traits, many of which I'm pretty certain women on PPD themselves promote. We're not going to have a fair non judgemental world any time soon, so in the meantime "don't date women who have such serious mental illnesses that they require medication for it" is a pretty good filter to avoid drama in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 02:00 PM
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I don't know where y'all live, but I've looked at men sitting across me on trains and they did the same many times when I was commuting every day, and nobody ever showed even the slightest hint of discomfort, let alone wanting to fight. And this is in Eastern Europe, where people are far more closed off and uncomfortable with eye contact than in the US. I feel like I'm living in an alternative reality to some of you, that's the only way I can explain this comments section.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 01:29 PM
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You're actually trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and see things from his perspective, that's way too reasonable for this subreddit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 01:25 PM
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I've never felt so confused by a PPD comments section in my entire life. The first guy barely looked at her for a few seconds, and that's with a cut in the video, so who knows how long she had to be recording to catch two glances. When I was commuting by train to college, I and the person sitting across me looked at each other probably 20x as much as this video over the course of an hour, and I was overly shy and avoidant of eye contact back then. The fact that people are so outraged over this i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:07 PM
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It's kinda hard to see his eyes, but looking closely it does seem he looked at her for a few seconds uninterrupted. I find the outrage insane though, she literally had to make a cut in the video (when he presumably wasn't looking) to get 20 seconds of footage, and even during those 20 seconds he was looking away half the time. And that's not even taking account the fact she was recording him, which he might have found sus and those glances might have been "wtf, is she recording me?".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:01 PM
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Many more men should do this tbh, literally the main reason women have such an abundance of choice and high standards is all the desperate simps willing to be their slaves for a crumb of pussy. If men collectively stopped being so desperate and started focusing on themselves more, the dating scene would become much better balanced and healthier.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 07:16 PM
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This is a good point, manosphere guys have an extremely skewed idea of what "average woman" means. The average woman in the US is 39 years old and overweight. A woman being in her 20s and not overweight already makes her quite a bit above average, then these guys want her to be significantly above average looking for her age too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:09 PM
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Sure, although I think that base is a lot lower than many people say. If you start off as a 2/10 and get up to 4/10, that's enough to find a woman willing to marry you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:03 PM
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There's also a social skills threshold, if a Gigachad drops to the ground and immediately tries to sniff a woman's feet before saying a word, no woman will want to date him even if he's a 10/10. And a hygiene threshold, severe BO and rotten teeth will disqualify him too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 09:57 PM
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What a lot of people don't often address when it comes to this topic is that the most attractive men in society put in a massive amount of time, effort and money into their looks, it's very much not just genetics. Male models, actors, musicians, etc. are usually on strict diets, shave their body hair, pluck their eyebrows, have a comprehensive skincare routine, wear makeup, get regular expensive haircuts and style their hair for a long time in the morning, spend a lot of money on their clothes a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 09:47 PM
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If you have to present a curated version of your feelings in order for it to go over well with women because they don't want to see the raw "emotional vomit", I don't see how that doesn't instantly debunk the point that women like vulnerability in men. The fact you even refer to it as whining, trauma dumping, emotional vomit, etc. is telling in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 07:54 PM
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You're basically saying to supress your real emotions and put on an act that the woman will find easier to accept. Which isn't really "vulnerability", and kind of proves the point you’re trying to debunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 07:20 PM
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And I agree that's what everyone should do when treated like this. But currently this is the reality for many married men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:57 PM
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Most ways really. Dictating the pace and level of commitment of the relationship by pressuring the man into marriage, withholding sex to get what they want, whether intentionally or not, pressuring the man into spending less time or quitting his hobbies, pressuring the man to spend less time with his friends, unilaterally deciding how often certain household chores need to be done, even if the man wants a different frequency, unilaterally deciding the man needs to do more chores at home, even if…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 02:50 PM
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It's not about "should", it's what happens in reality. A lot of the women acting like this is "gross" are ironically the ones ordering their man around, they just don't realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:52 PM
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Women can never do anything bad and it's all men's fault, a tale as old as time
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:34 PM
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Honestly does anyone ever actually ask that? I've seen redpillers try to dunk on women by asking them this question and cackling when they don't know what to say, but literally nobody I know who's in a relationship ever verbalizes their positive traits to their partner or anyone else, it just kinda shows through their actions. If someone unironically asked that on a date, I'd think they were mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:28 PM
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This 100x
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:43 PM
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Unironically one of the most effective ways to improve dating success. There's a reason why pretty much any guy who's good with women is borderline a drug addict.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 03:37 PM
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Ah, the old manipulation argument. Unfortunately it isn't true, women are very much ready to date known pieces of shit if they have otherwise desirable traits. Serial killers in prison get hundreds of love letters. Celebrities like Chris Brown who are known abusers still have legions of women wanting to date them. Open Nazis and pedophiles on dating apps get women desperate to meet them (google "Chadfishing"), meanwhile the average man can't even get a match.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 03:04 PM
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Hobbies are merely a minor bonus if you're already good looking and/or charismatic, or if the hobby gives you social status, like being the vocalist and guitarist of a somewhat popular band, most women couldn't care less about the actual hobby itself. Which some might say is obvious, but this was quite the revelation to my teenage self back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 01:33 PM
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Like the whole "unwashed ass" thing for example, lol. There are so many of these stories out there, while at the same time a bunch of very hygienic self improovers can't even get a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 12:36 PM
1

The majority of relationships start online, not through online dating, those aren't the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 11:59 AM
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So by your logic, saying mildly critical things towards a subset of women on an anonymous forum is worse than actually being violent towards them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 11:55 AM
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But it's clearly not the bare minimum when criminals, abusers and rapists are in relationships all the time while slightly awkward nerdy guys are permavirgins. Clearly being nice barely matters compared to other traits, so let's not lie that it's some essential trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 11:49 AM
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Are you telling me that no women would be interested in a man whose hobby is motorcycles? From my experience yes, lol. The only people who care about motorcycles are old men who ride motorcycles themselves, and small children. I've mentioned it casually in conversation with women my age a few times now, and the response is usually "oh, that's nice", then a change of topic. Same goes for many other hobbies that guys falsely believe will impress women, like playing guitar.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 11:32 PM
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As has been pointed out before, if you can't read the room to determine whether approaching is OK That's kind of the point, the men who struggle with this are the ones who can't read the room, either due to inexperience or being neurodivergent, that's why they're looking for specific instructions in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 10:18 PM
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Are they really choosing to make their happiness dependent on having a woman? To me it seems much more likely that it's a natural biological drive in combination with societal incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 08:42 PM
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Most of the advice should be directed at "improve your social life and skills, and the frequency that you meet and actually talk to new women who are in your league". As a long time self improover, this was the actual advice I and people like me needed to hear all those years ago, not going to the gym and taking cold showers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 07:25 PM
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Honestly yeah, most self improvement endeavors are seriously overrated in terms of improving your success with women. Here's a couple of things that will make you a lot more successful with women than going to the gym or doing any kind of productive self improvement: 1) Getting plastic surgery 2) Taking drugs to lower your inhibition 3) Taking drugs with other people in a social environment 4) Lying and manipulating
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 07:21 PM
1

Well I generally respect people's opinions and take them at their word. But I'm finding out more and more that I probably shouldn't do that too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 06:44 PM
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I mostly agree, but to your last point, the reason they don't do that is because it carries a risk. There's no 100% socially acceptable way to ask a woman out on a date that won't potentially bother someone, if you mix that with 2023's messaging about avoiding ever making women feel uncomfortable or potentially ending up with some sort of harassment charge, a lot of guys aren't willing to take that risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 05:49 PM
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Not as much as redpillers would have you think, I've seen a lot of virgin women share their experiences of being bullied or judged for being virgins by both men and women alike. I imagine this isn't anywhere near as common in more traditional cultures though, these stories are mostly from the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 03:19 PM
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This is 100% true, and predictably a bunch of women swarm to the comments to do exactly what you describe in the post, lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:42 PM
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Nice anecdote. Unfortunately the average autistic man has it much harder: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueUnpopularOpinion/comments/14ytv55/autism_is_a_severe_handicap_for_male_dating_in/?rdt=58690
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:50 PM
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This is a common excuse, but I don't think people who say this realize they're accidentally engaging in victim blaming. By this logic every abuse victim has a "toxic personality", which is obviously silly. Also, isn't it convenient that there are enough "toxic" women around that dangerous criminals are rarely without girlfriends, but slightly awkward nerds go decades without a hint of female interest? This is the root of the issue that people like you don't ever acknowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:49 PM
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Somewhat agree, but I'll add some nuance: 1) It depends on the type of "bad personality". Being sadistic, psychopathic, narcissistic, etc. almost seems to be a benefit, these guys are in relationships all the time. Losers who are bitter and self loathing are not, even though both of those qualify as bad personalities. 2) Having a bad personality isn't fully within your control. A lot of these guys got bullied mercilessly and had no love shown to them by anyone, it's not surprising a person ends …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:04 PM
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Both of you are correct. Socializing more can be extremely difficult, especially if you are ND, ugly and/or poor (many socializing venues are monetized). On the other hand, that doesn't discount the importance of socializing, if you go from zero to having several good friends, your mental health will improve drastically, making it easier to improve other areas of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:55 PM
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I say that because I've seen many women complaining about being pumped and dumped, or not being able to secure commitment from a guy even after a while of dating. And on the other hand, I've seen many guys who find it incredibly difficult to get a date, but on the rare occasion they get lucky, they don't struggle staying in a long term happy relationship for years. I'm maybe a bit more optimistic on this topic because I've personally witnessed many relationships that go against the red pill narr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:04 PM
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I know why, it's because the demand by men for casual sex and short term relationships with women far exceeds the supply, and this impacts you if you want a long term relationship too because the beginning stages of dating look similar regardless. This leads to the lopsided situation when it comes to initiating dating, average men have to put in an insane amount of effort because they're competing with men who are more desirable, and given the abundance of options the average woman has, it's nat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:43 PM
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Tbh this is why I'm starting to think plastic surgery isn't just a vanity thing, but an actual financial investment. Based on the data I've seen, being good looking allows you to get a higher paying job or make a business deal you otherwise couldn't, so wouldn't it make sense?
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 12:53 PM
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If you want to improve your life, I'd say the best thing to start with would be do some easy short term looksmaxxing (skincare, good haircut or go completely bald/wear hats if your MPD is really bad, fashion, good cologne, shoe lifts, even makeup if you have uneven skin like me), then focus on finding better friends. If you find friends you genuinely enjoy hanging out with (this is much easier than finding a gf), this will improve your mood and make it easier to then improve other areas of your …
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 12:44 PM
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Literally every single human is insecure about something, these very same people who try to shame it are very much insecure too. I don't get upset about this tactic though because I know the average normie who uses it didn't actually put a single second to think about it critically, they just heard it somewhere (probably from a feminist woman, this seems to be one of their favorites) and just repeated it like a brainless sheep.
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 12:28 PM
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This is actually one thing the "blue pill" gets right. People are very different and have different preferences, other types of -pills make the mistake of trying to find a simple explanation for billions of different people's behavior, it doesn't work that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:16 PM
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Most people do, you're the exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 11:38 AM
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Completely logical, OP, but if there's one thing I learned about bluepillers/women, that's not how they think. In their world you're apparently supposed to trust your partner 100% and open yourself up to all sorts of negative consequences of this blind trust, based only on your flawed perception of their character. It doesn't really make any sense objectively speaking, but bluepillers/women claim this is the basis of long term relationships, and they all say they'd leave if they don't get this f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 11:12 AM
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Very commonly, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that, woman are attracted to other traits, being nice has zero influence. I just wish the gaslighting of "you're not ACTUALLY nice" and "being nice is the bare minimum" by bluepillers would stop. Being nice IS NOT the bare minimum, it's not necessary at all, otherwise abusers wouldn't constantly be getting into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 10:41 AM
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It used to be worse in the past, nowadays marital rape and domestic violence are at least illegal. Humans are just flawed in general
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:03 PM
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If you think that's bad, you should see what the average family is like lol. A one time test is a drop in the ocean compared to the everyday dysfunction, lovelessness and toxicity in most families.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:22 PM
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Not great, and this isn't a great analogy because molestation is much worse than cheating, but if I'm expecting her to do a paternity test, I guess fair enough. Actually it would work even better that way, because there's less chance for resentment because you both go through some sort of test.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:54 PM
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Personality unironically. Not in a "not nice enough" way, but being autistic, wanting only 10/10 blonde Stacies, having a superiority complex, throwing temper tantrums regularly, extreme jealousy, etc. Keep in mind a lot of these weren't his fault, personality is significantly influenced by genes and environment too. But yeah, he definitely wasn't bad looking, he had the potential to prettyboymaxx.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 05:44 PM
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1 in 8 is a LOT of people, like many millions. And if you include those who had 1-2 partners, (which I think even you guys can agree doesn't make her promiscuous), that opens up your dating pool quite a bit. The lifetime partners for an average woman is in the single digits anyway, it's a small minority of women who have double or triple digit body counts. Although one thing I will grant is that virgin women are far more likely to be ugly and/or have a low sex drive, which for many guys is a big…
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 05:23 PM
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Not really, 12.5% of women between 20-24 are virgins. inb4 hurr they're lying
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 05:10 PM
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The entire patriarchy theory is an apex fallacy. The minority of men at the top do fuck all to benefit average and especially below average men, historically they oppressed them worse than most women.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 04:47 PM
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I'm not talking about single motherhood, but partners who stay together and have children, just not married. It's actually quite telling your mind went to that in the first place, you recognize that marriage is a strong motivator to keep men around, because men aren't 100% trustworthy. And in the same way, women aren't 100% trustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:10 PM
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Why are "bastards" and the risk of splitting family wealth even considered a problem in the first place? Probably because no matter how good you think your vetting process is, men aren't 100% trustworthy, just like women. If we used your logic, women could just pick better men, trust them 100% and there wouldn't even be a need for marriage, because men would be guaranteed to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:02 PM
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Why do you need the "assurance"? Don't you TRUST your boyfriend to stay with you after you have kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:46 PM
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He didn't mean kissing on the lips, genius
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:25 PM
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Most people want to live despite suffering being a part of their lives. If they didn't, they already have the choice to opt out (ropemaxxing), which most people don't take, so your point isn't really valid.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 02:12 PM
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Partially to debunk some points the blackpill gets wrong and provide a differing perspective to people lurking, partially because I'm bored sitting at home because of injury, and lastly, because I have a tendency to gravitate towards these negative places too, I'm not perfect.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 01:53 PM
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True, 85% of blackpillers aren't interested in the truth or doing the best with the cards they were dealt, they just want to wallov in their own misery and drag others down with them. The only useful ideas you can take from the blackpill are "don't beat yourself up too much by your lack of external results, a lot depends on genes, environment and luck" and "looks are important for men". The rest is at best useless, at worst actively destroys your mental health.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 01:27 PM
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Ok I'll go into it then 1) You and a bunch of people in the comments on that post are asserting that the woman is lying about the "real reason" she rejected him. Why? There's no good reason to assume this. A lot of women have height preferences, so I don't see how the lying explanation is more likely. 2) Ok, but let's assume she lied for whatever reason. Why would she give height as an excuse? It doesn't have to be vague, there are many better excuses to reject guys that don't hurt their self es…
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 12:57 PM
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I mean none of this makes any sense to me, but this is probably a useless discussion because we won't agree, unless you really want to go further into it.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 12:06 PM
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Somebody should make a gender swapped version of this, and make it so the guy rejects the woman based on something she can't change too, like body count. I REALLY wonder how redditors would react to that one...
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 12:04 PM
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OP didn't say anything against negative about how women are currently helped with DV programs. Yet you come in here bringing up an unrelated topic to minimize male problems, in a thread specifically dedicated to discussing them. You are doing the exact type of whataboutism you accuse others of.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 11:58 AM
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I really question whether the type of guy to harass or hurt a woman for rejecting him is less likely to hurt her if she rejects him based on height. To me that seems like far more likely to hurt his ego and make him act out in irrational ways. Is there any data on this?
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 11:18 AM
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In what world is rejecting someone based on height a more socially acceptable reason than something else? This makes no sense at all Edit: Ok I just scrolled through that comments section a bit and wtf, they actually say the same thing as you. That just confirms to me that normies and women have no logical thinking and empathy at all. Apparently in their world rejecting someone based on a factor which can't be changed is less harsh than for something which can be????
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 10:53 AM
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Those are amazing odds for guys who don't care about rejection. They only need to approach 20-50 women to get success, which isn't a big deal at all, they can do that in less than a week. I kinda wish I could be that low inhib tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 10:27 PM
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To me your viewpoint seems much more wild. Why would one believe something about themselves if their experience with the outside world tells them the opposite? Maybe we're onto something here, this is a very fundamental disagreement that's worth exploring further, maybe worthy of its own post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 10:08 PM
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I honestly wouldn't care about whether she had a bunch of lesbian sex, I'd probably even be fine with an open relationship if she only wanted to see other women. Just don't make it public, because I don't want to be constantly called a cuck like Destiny lol (his open relationship is exactly like this from my understanding, but the internet falsely thinks his girlfriend has sex with other men)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:49 PM
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It's pretty simple. Men who are respectful and/or anxious listened to your wishes and stopped approaching. Men who don't care about women's opinions and/or are low inhibition and/or extroverted continue to approach because it works sometimes. Even if the latter group is a minority of men, that's still millions of men in the US alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:34 PM
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That sounds nice in theory, but it doesn't really work. Until recently (I'm 27), I basically paid no attention to women at all and only did activities I enjoyed and lived life on my own terms. The result? I still feel an emptiness inside that I don't think can be filled any other way than with a girlfriend. So I changed and started putting in a much more active effort to put myself in situations and hobbies where more women my age are present. And while I haven't had success yet, at least now I …
/r/AllPillDebate12/11/23 03:16 PM
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All pills have an element of truth, but none by themselves are sufficient to describe the world. The major flaw of the blackpill mindset is black and white thinking. Blackpillers will see a study saying "people with characteristic X get 40% less matches on OLD than characteristic Y" and based on that they conclude "it's over for Xcels, you'll never find a woman who loves you, give up". Well no, that's not what the study says at all. And you can see this in the real world if you're actually willi…
/r/AllPillDebate12/11/23 09:19 AM
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If you prettyboymaxxed, I don't see any reason why you couldn't find a younger woman
/r/AllPillDebate11/11/23 11:38 PM
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6'1, I can't decide if I'm an incel or volcel. I actually think I've had a few women show interest in me, but it was pretty subtle to the point I still question it and I didn't really know how to escalate.
/r/AllPillDebate11/11/23 11:35 PM
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He is, yeah, just like the guy below randomly deciding that everyone in that study is lying. Once you talk to them long enough, you come to the realization that blackpillers are just as illogical as bluepillers and will straight up make up shit to fit their agenda.
/r/AllPillDebate11/11/23 11:29 PM
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Women can get extremely nasty when rejected or made to feel less valuable, just like men. If you don't believe me, the internet is full of such examples, lol. It's just that they are rarely in that position, so most of the time we only see men doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 10:42 PM
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You made like 30 long ass comments in this thread to defend your stance that showing basic compassion is "emotional labor", it literally would've taken a fraction of the "emotional labor" to just do that in the first place, lol. Women will fight to the death for their right to consider undesirable men as subhuman rather than show even a tiny bit of empathy 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 10:38 PM
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It isn't that complicated, age gap relationships remind older women that many men consider them less valuable due to a factor outside their control, and no human (male or female) enjoys that feeling. But instead of realizing that dating is unfair for everyone and just taking the L, they have to protect their ego and lash out at men for their natural biological impulses (men of all ages find early 20s women the most attractive, there are studies on this). Of course this doesn't apply to every sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 10:12 PM
1

Definitely different privileges. I don't buy the idea that one is overall more disadvantaged than the other, or at least such a thing would be way too hard to quantify.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:21 PM
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I think it's pretty likely to be jealousy. Most older women (and it is usually older women) who get so incredibly upset about age gaps don't give a single fuck about other types of power dynamics, especially if they disadvantage men. For instance, let's take the example of a 30 year old woman who had a bunch of relationships and ONS throughout her teens and 20s, who marries a 30 year old software engineer nerd with little or no romantic experience. Most women don't see any issue at all with this…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 06:21 PM
1

No.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 06:09 PM
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OP is 100% right, but I think trying to explain this to women is pointless. At best they simply couldn't care less, at worst they'll try to assign all sorts of negative traits to you. The harsh truth is that pretty much all women consider you a subhuman if you aren't romantically successful, their filters are designed specifically so you won't get through. Don't ever expect any empathy from women, because you won't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:58 PM
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People in 2005 and 2015 were also constantly complaining about "the state of the world", it's a pretty universal human experience to complain and think you have it the worst. My personal experience of touching grass doesn't match this doom and gloom mentality present everywhere, but that's because I make the effort to not be biased and look at both the positives and negatives.
/r/AllPillDebate11/11/23 10:59 AM
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Honestly true, when I see just how low the average chump is willing to sink for a crumb of pussy, I feel a visceral sense of disgust, probably the same type of disgust their wives have for them lol. I'd rather be miserable my whole life and rope myself than throw away my self respect like that.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 11:13 PM
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Very bluepill-like response to dismiss facts, I'm dissapointed, I expected better from people on this subreddit
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 09:25 PM
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"In shoes" is a silly cope, everyone wears shoes, everyone knows height is measured barefoot. But yeah, you're 2" above the average male height in the US, and probably more like 1" compared to zoomers, that's not really detectable enough to be considered tall, but you're tall enough to where it'll pretty much never be a disadvantage.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 09:05 PM
1

Statistically that isn't even possible, 6'2 men are 3.9% of the US population, while around 37% of young men are in relationships.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:52 PM
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Yeah all of these pill debate boards are toxic as fuck, at best you're wasting time, at worst you're completely warping your worldview and slowly destroying your mental health. Reminder to everyone reading this to touch grass regularly, real life is much different to what you read on here.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:46 PM
1

Those seem like sub-3 experiences tbh. Or I'm not sub-5 after all...
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:44 PM
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Unironically whoever has the best personality, because they're pretty evenly matched lol. I think a lot of you tend to overstate the advantage of height, if it mattered as much as you guys say, I wouldn't be a 6'1 27 year old virgin.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:42 PM
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In fairness, in his particular case he hid his identity for so long and had so many fangirls who absolutely idolized him, that no human alive could possibly live up to such high expectations. If he showed his face from the start or had a normal job, nobody would criticize his looks, he's far from ugly.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:40 PM
1

It's a good thing they say this. That way you can immediately identify them as low IQ NPCs with no critical thinking skills who just mindlessly parrot whatever virtue signaling slogan they last heard on this topic, and therefore not waste time debating them.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:32 PM
1

Motorcyclemaxx instead. Way cheaper and way more fun, plus if you get in a crash, it's a way more socially acceptable way of dying than roping, so normies will have a justification to virtue signal about what a great guy you were at your funeral.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 10:07 PM
5

Sub-7 men are born at the wall.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 10:01 PM
9

Do you unironically believe Joe Rogan is some sort of extremist or what is the relevance here?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:37 PM
5

To be fair, having a bunch of guys wanting to pump and dump you because of desperation, then being ashamed of it and denying it publicly doesn't exactly feel fulfilling
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 01:31 PM
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A positive aspect of being an inkwell is that those things are a lot more achievable when you don't have to betabuxx and don't have children. My living costs are so low that I only spend a minority of the money from my salary every month, despite my salary not being amazing, just a bit above average.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 01:27 PM
3

Great argumentation, really convinced me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:35 PM
4

Ah yes, literally one of the biggest subreddits out there with millions of members is ''a small minority'', the mental gymnastics are incredible
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:01 PM
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I'm older than you, but I honestly don't see the point. The only real reason I can see is that it can give you a bit of practice if you're anxious about the act of sex itself. But if your reasoning is that women don't like virgins, the underlying reasons won't be solved at all by going to an escort, you're just "technically" not a virgin. You might as well just lie if you're going to try and get away on a technicality.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 02:40 PM
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It seems like most women's idea of effort is consumerist garbage that doesn't actually benefit anyone lol, like makeup, clothes, hair extensions, fake lashes and fake nails. Meanwhile actual self improvement that is good both for their health and their appearance is in the minority, like going to the gym, eating healthy, not taking drugs, etc.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 02:29 PM
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Refers to government agents who try to encourage violent actions from "extremists" online. The origin of the term is a bit NSFW for reddit lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbG6u86t4bA
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 02:20 PM
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It's glowie bait
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 01:50 PM
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How it usually works: Starting a chat either directly (with something like a compliment) or indirectly, talking for a few minutes to get to know her better, then asking for the number.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 11:56 AM
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I think the main reason nofap is that popular is because it's one of the few "self improvement" habits that doesn't have any external results, so you can feel like you're succeeding when you aren't actually doing anything to improve your life. It's the same meme tier as cold showers, placebo at best, distraction from actual self improvement activities at worst.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 11:28 AM
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No replies to this one? Can't say I'm surprised lol. To put the cherry on top, there are also stats showing high IQ people are more likely to be virgins and have less sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 10:13 AM
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Tbh this was quite eye opening, I didn't realize there were so many guys out there waiting months just to pump and dump. I always thought those types wouldn't have the patience, the fact that they still wait that long knowing full well they're taking advantage is borderline psychopathic. Thanks for sharing your experience, gave me something to think about.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 10:00 AM
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If you think about it, this is actually even more of a power imbalance than an age gap because it's literally that type of experience that improves your skills when dealing with the opposite sex, while an age gap only vaguely correlates
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 10:04 PM
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Well now you're just doing the same thing as those guys who aren't satisfied with any scenario. You're criticizing them for trying to make small talk and get to know your personality before asking for the number, but what are they supposed to do instead? Be direct from the first sentence and immediately ask for the number? There are a bunch of women who would hate that because "he just sees me as a sex object", there's no winning.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 09:57 PM
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Masking is a thing, and if you're just socially inept rather than autistic, you can improve significantly with practice. I've found that the hardest part is finding the right people in the right environment, once you find people who actually enjoy your company, it's SO MUCH easier to practice regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 09:46 PM
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Yeah, I have a similar plan. If I can't find a woman that I'd consider worthy of marriage by like 35 or so, I'm just going to live minimalistically and travel the world on my motorcycle. And then if the crushing loneliness gets too bad at like 50 because friends don't have time for me and I don't have a woman around me, I'll probably just ropemaxx, I don't see the point in living so long that my body noticeably declines and makes everyday tasks difficult.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 06:48 PM
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You need to be way more specific, what kind of good behavior is costly exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:27 PM
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There is an infamous video of a gym girl blasting a random guy on social media for being creepy when he literally didn't even look at her. Like barely glanced in her general direction for half a second at worst, and he wasn't even ugly. https://nypost.com/2023/01/23/twitch-influencer-jessica-fernandez-films-man-staring-at-her-like-a-piece-of-meat-at-the-gym/?sp_amp_linker=1*ndkohh*amp_id*UVZCZDEzWUtmZVZaQUV6R2V1NU1ZNGE0TDI3bEt4bWM2RzhmVFFpRG9OQ0VITElsSHFVRHMzSHVjNXRfcEJrOA.. Another one of a gym…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:20 PM
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What exactly is your idea of Chad and what does he do all day?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:55 PM
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Hit the nail on the head, OP. Pretty much all guys who are successful with women are natural risk takers in all areas of life. Meanwhile, all the guys who aren't are usually strictly sober, don't do any outdoor activities, and spend most of their time stuck in their own head and overanalyzing every possible scenario. I'm a bit of both, so I've seen this pattern many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:51 PM
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I'm really confused at what exactly your idea of Chad is. All of the guys I've seen in real life and on the internet who would fit that archetype do a bunch of drugs and have some sort of violent or risky hobby. If you don't think that's the case, what exactly does Chad do all day in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:37 PM
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Chad naturally enjoys taking risks on a regular basis, way more than anyone on reddit. Chads are very likely to consume huge amounts of drugs, have a bunch of risky casual sex with no contraception, get into street fights, join gangs, ride motorcycles, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:18 PM
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And here is the problem: those women are chasing promiscuous guys with lots of options. An average guy who will be husband material won't be having casual sex with a bunch of different women all the time, partially because he doesn't want to, partially because he can't without putting in a huge amount of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 12:30 PM
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I'm curious, what is your idea of what "should" happen in an age matched relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 11:35 AM
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To play the devil's advocate a bit, could there be a justification for the "stonewalling"? For example, I know a lot of men try to solve things rationally with their wife at first, but she gets even more mad and causes a huge fight. Most men hate these types of arguments, so if this keeps happening repeatedly, once they spot that their wife is in an arguing mood and won't be able to be reasoned with, they prefer to avoid the argument altogether and remove themselves from the situation. Now, if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 11:08 AM
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Don't have sex without making the guy wait a few months, and do that BEFORE you lose your virginity. Boom, you instantly eliminate shitty men who only want to pump and dump you. Of course I realize this will never happen unless society at large completely changes its views on sex, plus men who are actually willing to wait that long will probably be seen as beta pussies by the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 10:52 AM
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Of all the "maxxing" activities out there, this is one of the more productive ones for incels lol
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 05:41 PM
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Can't speak for OP since it sounds like he has genuine medical issues, but those of you who are able bodied and completely giving up on life are stupid. At least try doing something adventurous, crazy, risky, etc. before you go out. My plan is to go on a motorcycle trip around the world one day if I don't manage to find a girlfriend and friends who have time for me.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 05:36 PM
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The fact that Myron regularly says "all women are gold diggers, some are just better at hiding the shovel" makes me think he's telling on himself hard, like he's never actually had a woman genuinely attracted to him, and the only women who can tolerate his presence are there for the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:03 PM
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I'm not a fan of them, but they said they use those sites as a regular dating site (they give no allowances) and find girls there to bring onto the show. Considering I've seen PUA guys use that exact strategy, I don't think they're capping.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 01:50 PM
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Damn, that's brutal, sorry to hear that. These kinds of situations are exactly why I sometimes think it would be better if the blackpill was mainstream, your friend likely wouldn't have ended it if he already knew and accepted this was the truth from childhood. On the other hand though, I'm not sure the average bluepilled normie would be able to cope with the reality that the world is unfair to that extent, how will they feel motivated to wage slave and keep society running?
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 01:41 PM
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Even though I think the average socially awkward person here would benefit from social drinking, this is true. The fact that we are expected to consume a dangerous drug to fit in and not be considered weird is a big flaw of western culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 01:19 PM
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This guy is retarded. Instead of being happy to have a girlfriend who is honest, will love him for a trait he'll never lose, and is statistically unlikely to find a guy who's better in that area, he instead questions his relationship because it's not like the perfect fairytales he was told, jesus christ.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 12:19 PM
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There isn't an age limit, it's just generally recommended that you don't get it too early since your hair loss will continue to progress behind the transplanted hairs. If you're planning to take finasteride for the rest of your life, or getting another transplant in the future, it doesn't matter though.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 11:54 AM
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Some might say cope, but for many people in this subreddit, this is the way to go. You can live a much simpler life and save a bunch of money when you don't have to worry about women's approval, and it's way more respectable than being some betabuxxer wage slaving for a "former" slut who doesn't even love him.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 11:51 AM
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Good point honestly, nobody should stay on discussion boards like this for too long, it makes literally zero sense: 1) If you have the required genetic traits to be successful, then generic self improvement advice will work for you, just go do that. Browsing blackpill forums will just get you in a bad mood, which will harm your real life interactions. 2) If you don't, then focus on your career, hobbies and friendships. It makes zero sense to spend even a second of your time thinking about women,…
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 11:44 AM
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This wouldn't fix anything, all it would result in is that 6'4 would be the new manlet cutoff.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 11:39 AM
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In fairness, a below average woman still has dozens of simps willing to be her slave, so by the laws of supply and demand she is more valuable than the average man.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 11:29 AM
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Focused way more on looksmaxxing. I was unironically one of those guys who thought it was gay to have a good haircut, lol. Also not strictly blackpill, but I'd join as many extracurricular activities as possible to improve my social skills and meet friends and potentially a girlfriend, I think most blackpillers seriously underestimate the value of socializing regularly.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 11:21 AM
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I don't want to, but that's exactly the way I see it. I guess the best counterargument I see is that despite being miserable, married people are still less miserable than most of us here.
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/23 04:07 PM
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Maybe this falls under mental illness, but to me the whole dating process is completely alien. I'm 185 cm, white, in shape, have an above average penis, probably slightly below average face but far from hideous. On physical features alone it makes no sense how I'm a virgin, and the rational part of my brain sees plenty of men uglier and shorter than me with girlfriends. I just don't understand how people do it, I've gone to parties many times, it always feels awkward and inappropriate to try to …
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 05:27 AM
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Honestly it's refreshing to see this mindset for once instead of the constant doom and gloom. The truth is that everyone copes to some extent, even "Chads" don't have everything they want and feel unsatisfied with their lives.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 05:10 AM
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This video is still just as brutal as the first time I watched it. It's honestly unfathomable how even above average looking guys can be this thirsty and pathetic, I'd unironically rather rope myself than ever stoop this low.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 05:00 AM
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Lifefuel tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:19 AM
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Hey, in terms of effectiveness and keeping a good relationship your approach is certainly much better. I just find it funny to read all these conflicting messages of needing to lie to your partner to protect their feelings, but also anyone who isn't 100% honest in their marriage at all times is literally Hitler lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 10:41 PM
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I'm usually on the other side of this argument, but this is facts. Or how guys will claim to want a virgin, then get pissed when she doesn't sleep with them by the second date, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:36 PM
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At the very least they tolerate it if the man has other qualities. Literal rapists and murderers get laid and have wives, and at the same time there are a bunch of genuinely good respectful men who can't even get a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:34 PM
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Well then you're just lying about the real reason why you want to do the test, most people consider it pretty important to be honest with your long term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:28 PM
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Lol I don't even like the guy, but I watched those videos and you're full of shit
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:55 PM
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Perhaps it would hurt a little, hard to say without being in that situation, but I'd be rational and take that test since it would completely eliminate her doubts. I certainly wouldn't make a massive production about it and divorce her based on that alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:34 PM
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Another scenario: Suppose a strange woman out of the blue accuses you of sexually assaulting or raping her, despite you having done nothing to her. Would you feel hurt if your wife/girlfriend of multiple years doubts you, and thinks you may indeed have done what that woman claims? If there was a simple test that only needed to be performed once to prove beyond a doubt that I didn't do it, why wouldn't one take it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:34 PM
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Also if you have good eyes and midface ratio but awful lower third Oh hey, it's me. I have green-blue hunter eyes with thick dark eyebrows, but a pretty weak oval/triangle jaw, plus I store a lot of fat in my face despite being reasonably lean. Based on your anecdotes maybe surgery could actually make sense...
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 07:24 PM
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I imagine he's not, many of us know about the specifics of all these surgeries simply due to researching it in our own free time lol
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 07:20 PM
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For me it's the exact opposite, if I lie down, all the fat under my chin gets compressed and makes me look like I'm 150 kg, I look way better upright
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 12:52 PM
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