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Fundamentals MeanSeaworthiness6/r/seduction14/08/24 09:51 PM
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Fundamentals MeanSeaworthiness6/r/seduction18/09/24 07:48 PM
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Fundamentals MeanSeaworthiness6/r/seduction27/08/24 08:24 PM
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This, exactly lol. Which negates most of what most of the women on this sub say. The fact that men can't understand this is remarkable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:51 PM
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Incredibly vague post. Yes, most men can get a girlfriend just like most women can get sex instantaneously. Doesn't mean those are people worth being in a relationship or having sex with. Women complain all the time about how guys are pathetic, losers, need to step up their game and it's tragic how they don't see how they just described most women. Yes we can get girlfriends but for someone who has his shit together, most women I come across aren't capable of a healthy relationship anymore. Many…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:12 PM
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That's that I was talking about with the other woman in this thread. She claims that it's not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:02 PM
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For whatever it's worth, I have a big house in LA. It's only served to attract golddiggers so I don't think this is a good standard. The guys I know that are crushing it with women are broke and have roommates.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:01 PM
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Most people (men and women) don't have their own place and many are already in their 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:08 AM
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Some good stuff man. You're the only one I've seen who really zooms out and looks at what is going on at a grand scale. Insane how most people (women particularly) can't see what's going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:07 AM
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Where are they talking about this on social media? Please point to me where I can find this because I only see the exact opposite. Hell, look at all the women in this sub praising other women for racking up body counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 11:36 PM
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Well it's great to meet one. Still feels like you're the minority haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:24 PM
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Yes but again, that's when women talk about going on their hoe phases where they just bounce from guy to guy. Most of the women I dated last year all told me they went on a bender after their last bad breakup.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:11 PM
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Don't you see how insane that is though? Men now have to have facial reconstructive surgery just so that the average woman finds them more attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:10 PM
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Hmmm, interesting. All I hear about is women having a constantly revolving door of men (honestly women talk about this more than men do). The idea that you go through long periods of not having sex like many men do is very strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:59 PM
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I'll bite. I know many women who say they want a man who has his shit together, is kind, respectful, emotionally available, etc. but the men they date and are in relationships with are the complete opposite. Could it be that many of you don't really know what you're thinking and feeling?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:55 PM
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Interesting. One never hears about this but I also think you and your group might be the exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:28 PM
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I'm replying to your comment above
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:27 PM
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I'm fairly socially active and meet a lot of people but it's still very much hit or miss with women. I also live in Los Angeles so it can definitely be that as well. People here are just delusional. Getting set up has been a disaster and doesn't work unless the people setting you up know you very well and the girl very well. Otherwise it's a shot in the dark. But I suppose, in general, the best chance is still the old school approach of meeting women in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:26 PM
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I agree with you that it's different but I guess it depends upon one's experience as well. I'm on the apps right now, for example, and so far from what I've seen, at least from the attractive women on there, being hot is definitely at the top of the list for them. Maybe it's just the demographic of women on the apps, who knows. It's an environment that does lend itself to superficiality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:58 PM
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Just the point that women not needing men anymore is the main reason why hordes of men are single. If it is the main reason then we've successfully reduced each other to just sex objects because these same men that aren't needed by women are still getting sex from these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:13 PM
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I agree. But being hot is a massive aspect, much more than women are willing to talk about, perhaps because of the reason you stated. There are good men and women out there but they're hard to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:11 PM
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How would we? I mean you could take the dating app population and say that most of them (men and women) are like that. How much of the national population is on the apps I suppose would give you some sort of a number on how many men and women are like how we are describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:08 PM
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I'm around many women who outwardly hate men, say we're mediocre, not needed, inferior to women, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:12 PM
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I'm curious, for those of you not interested in casual, are you just going through long periods of celibacy when you're not in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:11 PM
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That doesn't change anything though, the end result is still a damaged person. That's the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:03 PM
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This isn't entirely true though or there is something very wrong with a lot of women. If women don't need men, how do you explain the legions of women who waste years of their lives with abusive men? Many of these women are well into their 30s so you can't use the excuse of "they're young and inexperienced". Most women I know (a lot of them sadly) who walk around outwardly claiming they don't need men are very bitter and miserable women who aren't wanted by men in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:01 PM
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So are you saying personality does or doesn't matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:55 PM
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How do you think they're picking up on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:54 PM
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But you keep perpetuating it though, that's he problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:53 PM
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This isn't entirely true though. How do you explain a man who is sociable and has friends yet still faces a very high rejection rate? Hell, most of the guys who are good with women get rejected all the time. The part of what covid and social media has done to women is always dangerously understated.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:52 PM
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I'm with you on this and it's funny seeing the woman above basically rationalize what we've all been saying. At the end of the day, they settle but then justify it as waking up one day (after well over a decade) and realizing that there are more important things that a guy being "hot"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:47 PM
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So then this is most of the population at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:45 PM
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Yea but how long can you have that as an excuse? When women in their 30s are doing that whilst also claiming they want something serious, can you still blame inexperience, hormones, being dumb?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:44 PM
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The problem is that women are doing it well into their 30s, most men aren't
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:43 PM
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The problem is that it's taking a lot of women well into their 30s to realize this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:42 PM
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The reality is that there isn't much. For most women, appearance comes down to height and facial structure. You can maximize every physical metric up to that and you've barely moved the needle. This is what women don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:40 PM
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That means you care though. That's like me saying I don't care if a woman has a college degree or not but that I won't date her if she does have one. That's the problem with all this and it just goes back to OPs post. Men are complaining that we have to pay and wine and dine you to ultimately have sex with you (and be with you, among other things). You're saying no, that's not what's happening. And If you want sex, then just go pay for it. But also we'll hate on you and won't date you if you do …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:17 PM
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That misses the whole point. But I'll ask you, if women are so eager to tell me to pay a hooker for sex, then why do you criticize men who do?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 08:28 AM
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You're just proving the point OP made though. It's all a transactional business exchange, money for sex (not necessarily agreeing with OP, just trying to point certain things out).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:35 PM
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That doesn't count anymore. Once birth control came around and stuff like Plan B, women can't use risk of pregnancy as an excuse and they don't. They're just trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want to have sex like men and rack up a body count and treat sex like it's emotionless but then they also want us to treat sex with them as special and emotional and full of risks for them. Can't have both.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:05 PM
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Very well said. I made it a point to stop coming to any subs that involved men and women, the hatred is just insane. But every once and a while I pop in and you can't help but get sucked in and have to wrench yourself out. Many can't have a civil discussion like you and many can't understand that some of us men really are talking from our own personal experiences. As it pertains to this specific thread, from my own personal experience with women, I've been a man who's gotten sex/women easily at …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 11:26 PM
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Where on earth did you assume I meant all women? Just assumptions on your part which is what this whole sub is about. Again, you're just projecting your perspective on other women and refusing to believe another person's experience. I thought all women weren't the same? Other women celebrate women's promiscuity all the damn time. Just read through this whole sub to see all the women supporting women sleeping around, having a high body count, etc. Men call them out and for good reasons, but women…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:25 PM
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Nope. I've waited to have sex with several women, one woman for two months (never doing that again). When I told her my body count, she thought I would have had much more and told me she thought it was great that men had experience. Unless she was lying, she had been in a few long-term relationships and had a few sex partners and was wanting this to be her last partner, hence why she waits so long. Women are absolutely celebrated for promiscuity, social media addiction, sexualizing themselves, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:12 PM
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We just don't hear about it honestly. I've never had a woman have any issues with my body count and I've even had some very conservative women tell me they like it when a man is very experienced. I think past a certain point, it's problematic for both sexes for sure which is also not talked about. But the main point is that we get attacked for being sex crazed, thinking with the wrong head, porn addicts, etc. when women and doing their own version of that on the daily and it's seen as okay, if n…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:38 PM
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You all are so bitter and miserable on here, such a shame that this is what women have come to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:08 PM
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Not you as the commenter, you as women in general. Just like you generalized men as sex crazed. Learn to read, get it together.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:07 PM
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PLEASE tell me where you live, I'd like to move there ASAP.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:59 PM
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For sure. I think you have to take what's said here with a grain of salt but at the same time I think these are people's experiences so they can't be entirely thrown out and called useless as many people want to (unless we can prove that people are making things up). I think, in general, women expect men to pay for dates. I know many women don't like it when the man doesn't and/or have a negative reaction internally when the topic is eventually brought up. I don't think that's a bad thing necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:58 PM
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A bunch of assumptions and scrambling to label someone you don't even know. No where did I say you talked about a hoe phase. There's a female version of red pill too, and a shame so many of you have had a number done on you as well. Such a shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:45 PM
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That's the whole point. There are a lot of fake people out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:43 PM
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I do, my personal experiences bub. Going out and living life, you should try it bub.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:48 PM
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2007 - 2017 is outdated data. And survey data is notorious for being full of errors. People lie all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:47 PM
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Then you are a minority amongst women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:41 PM
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The majority of women have very high body counts at this point in society. I can personally attest that many women fail the audition of being a wife and a mom
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:40 PM
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This makes no sense. Describe the hordes of women with many double digit body counts, having sex on ONS with no protection, all of the women bragging about their ho phases, etc. None of them took into account any risks, it was all pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:36 PM
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No lol. Tell that to all the women with many dozens of body counts. There were auditioning 50+ guys to be their father of their future children?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:35 PM
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How do women have more to lose?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:34 PM
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Isn't' this also true for women who have been with dozens of men though?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:31 PM
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I plan and pay for every date. I don't expect her to pay. I've been on a date every week night for the last few weeks. I can't speak for the OP but there is some truth in what he says. I've been the guy who was used for wining and dining and waited for sex for a few months ultimately to have her leave and I've been the guy that women have hooked up with immediately whilst talking about making other guys wait. When you see both sides, your perspective on women changes completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:28 PM
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Are you talking romantically or just as a friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:24 PM
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That's the guy she isn't interested in though. You should step into a man's shoes for once.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:21 PM
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You get unlimited access to sex partners and talk about your ho phases all day but we're the ones with the sick sex crazed brain? She's freely giving sex to fuck boys while making the other guys wait. I've been both of those guys and it's shocking what you women pass off as acceptable behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:19 PM
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Seems like you haven't been on Instagram or Tik Tok lately...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:39 PM
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You're not wrong but most women are addicted to screens, find me one who isn't. Hell, I've been around women who brag about the hours they spend on Tik Tok like it's a a good thing. And many don't come from stable homes either. Conversely, I've met women who came from stable homes and yet they've got all sorts of issue. If we're filtering for Tik Tok brain and social media addiction, we're eliminating a MASSIVE portion of the female population just on that alone. I can't speak for the rest of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 09:32 PM
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Fair enough. But when dealing with women, it's just as much a dangerous world for men too, albeit different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 09:28 PM
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Wow, another victim post. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:58 PM
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Yea, it's a tough conversation to have and a lot of it is contextual. But again, you all can walk around and say that a man's low salary (as well as a million other things) is an ick and not only is it 100% okay, it's encouraged and reinforced within the sex, and sure as hell no one is calling any of you an asshole. The inverse is not true in any way for men. This is the crux of the problem. From there it's just semantics (gross vs. ick, subjetc, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:17 PM
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Ick and gross are interpreted on a case by case basis. When a woman says "so an and so" about a man is ick with a look of disgust on her face and proceeds to criticize him, she might have well said gross. So much of this is context but fundamentally, we can't say anything negative without getting castrated but you all can. To deny this is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:00 PM
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You are waaaay misunderstanding this entire conversation, this is ridiculous. Best of luck to you, not every on here is out to criticize you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:58 PM
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That's the thing, it reduces the dating pool MASSIVELY. Most women are entitled at this point, they expect you to chase them unless: -You're very attractive -Have very high status -Have really good game
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:44 PM
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Why can women say "ick" about all sorts of things and it's fine? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:43 PM
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A women having dozens of sex partners by the time she reaches 30, in MY experience, is gross, a major red flag, and yes, very promiscuous. I think this idea that many women have had 10 or less sex partners is crazy. These women are the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:42 PM
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Yes, and? You are, in all respects physically less strong, capable, etc. than men. Why this is still debated is insane. You don't get it. Woman have to do nothing to get sex. Nothing. And unless you get off on dominating a man, you are in the submissive position when having sex. So you are engaging in something that took little to no effort for you to get which also has you in a submissive position, and you're doing it repeatedly with no regard for whom you're doing it with, often with no protec…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:40 PM
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Especially a world where mom's are telling their daughters to lie to men about many things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:35 PM
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What the hell are you talking about? You legit asked me if your point was invalid. And I said no. I'm supporting what you're saying, I'm not denying it in any way. But yes, in my experience, the way you conduct yourself is extremely rare given my experience with women. Props to you. Where you somehow got that that meant my opinion counts more is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:34 PM
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I think it depends on the man & woman. I've been in several scenarios when the woman wanted to "fuck my brains out" after the first or second date. But also many scenarios where that wasn't the case. And regarding the sex obsessed thing. You all don't understand the mixed messages you send men on a society-level. You dress provocatively, post it all over social media whilst dancing like you're a stripper, talk about ho phases, hell I've had conversations with women who have told me they want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:07 PM
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Getting used is when you're engaging in sexual behaviour to assuage trauma. You're having no discretion of the men who are having sex with you, you're just having sex to fill a hole, insecurity, etc. And as a woman, you don't have to do anything to get that sex. Nothing. And once a man has you naked, he can have his way with you and most women who are having sex for this reason allow men to do so. For me to be used, I would also have to seek sex for those traumatic purposes, engage in sex with q…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:03 PM
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I'm 35, dating women 25-35. Most women I encounter have had dozens of sex partners by the time they reach 30. I agree with your numbers but perhaps this is more location-dependent?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:59 PM
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How do you explain the legions of women who say that they, at first, weren't attracted to their partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:57 PM
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You still don't get it lol. Best of luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:55 PM
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No, I'm not letting anyone use my body. But clearly these women and many have. And that makes them awful, but we can't say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:55 PM
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Still not an answer lol. I have tons of data from my personal life. Anecdotal data is superior to faulty data.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:53 PM
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Yes, and? Just because your experience is a minority, doesn't mean it's not valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:52 PM
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Sure, but we still have the right to say it's gross when a woman has a high body count. Who cares why, women need to shut it and stop complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:51 PM
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That's not an answer lol. You having faulty data in no way proves your point. Other than data taken in questionable ways, how can you prove the average is 4-5? You can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:50 PM
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To your first point, I'm not letting anyone "use" my body. These women actively sought sex as a mechanism to assuage trauma. I met these women under the guise of seeking a relationship and after dating them for months, the truth came out. To your second point, no. Protection only comes off when we're both tested and exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:48 PM
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But that's the problem with all of this. Guys who want to be in a relationship are saying high body count is gross which they have a right to say. But if we're not yet in a relationship, then the women that we're likely running into are all high body count women because they're single?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:45 PM
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Other than self-reported surveys which are notorious for being full of errors, what data do you have to prove that the whole 4-5 thing is accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:43 PM
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Who said I said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:42 PM
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100% truth, you're the only one here who gets this...crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:38 PM
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Maybe this is purely anecdotal. Most women where I live have body counts in the dozens. To find a woman with less than 10 for example, is extremely rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:35 PM
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Because many women do it for that reason and many, later on in life, are admitting to doing it for that reason and regretting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:34 PM
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A lot of things you all are lying about nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:33 PM
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Who said it's the only concern? In my experience, the women I've been with who have been with dozens of men were also the most psychologically and emotionally unstable, manipulative, horrible at communicating, etc. Every single one. For me it's a proxy for all around instability. Especially since all of them literally told me the promiscuity and "ho phase" was a response to trauma. So yes, amongst a group of other factors, in MY experience, it's something I would reject a woman for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:32 PM
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The whole 4-5 thing is complete BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:26 PM
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Average for my city for women is dozens. I'd be thrilled to find a woman with 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:24 PM
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Having a low n count woman is extremely beneficial, this is what you all don't get.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:23 PM
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Yea but you and your friends are an extreme minority. The crux of the matter is we're living in a world where women can have as many illogical icks and criticisms of men and it's 100% okay. But as soon as a man starts talking about icks and criticisms of women, we're cancelled, labeled a sexist, mysoginist, etc. This is part of what this thread is about. We don't like high body count women, period. But look at all the women on here criticizing us for saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:21 PM
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Most women have an N count far, far above 3 though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:19 PM
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You are an extreme statistical anomaly which is great, you should be proud of your choices and preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:17 PM
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You do realize most women are at dozens of lays before they hit 30...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:10 PM
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I don't doubt what you're saying but something still seems a bit off. Most women I know have at least 3x the body count I have and they're in their 30s and beyond and still racking up more (50+ men) and they don't care about a man's body count. Conversely, I've been with a select few women who had a fraction of the body count I have and they didn't care at all. Perhaps this is all anecdotal? If women really had an aversion to this, then why are so many so promiscuous from a very early age and ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:08 PM
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I can tell you my aversion for it. I have many female friends and the men that they let inside of them...hideous. And not only that, many of these men are outright asshole douchebags. On top of that, based on the experiences of me and my friends, the number of women absolutely okay with you having sex with them with no protection after they just met you is very high. That's just gross and stupid but there are a lot of women like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:56 PM
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You're a very rare specimen
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:51 PM
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This doesn't work though. Short of overtly annoying and creepy approaches, there is no way to gauge whether or not one approach is annoying vs. another not being. And many times it's way outside of the man's control. He took the shot but maybe the woman is having a bad day, maybe at the moment it was an opportune time to approach but the circumstance suddenly changed and now it's awkward, etc. What women don't get is so much is outside of a man's control but you just label us as creep or annoyin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:40 PM
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How would you suggest one go about doing this exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:33 PM
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So what do you suppose the solution is? Because it sounds like most women will rarely give cues for a man to approach them, most women will rarely if ever do the initiating, approaching, etc. Hell, I've had women overtly display cues of interest (touching, giving me their number, etc) and when I approached them, or went for the number, date, etc. they immediately went cold and ghosted or walked away. Men have no choice but to approach all women they're interested in. The idea that a woman will p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:00 PM
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The point is to show you that your initial perspective on this was not correct in response to the person you were replying to initially. What he pointed out was valid, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't, there is no "approach who you might think will like you". That's all. But glad to see you are of the kind that does support men approaching women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:25 PM
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I agree. But it's nearly impossible to approach based on the premise that she might like you. Prior to the approach, it's a completely unknown how she will respond unless she's displaying those overt signals I mentioned above which, again, is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:05 PM
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I'm curious what you mean by this. Other than overt signals from women such as intense eye contact, her approaching you first, touching, etc (which most women don't do) how are we supposed to know if a girl MIGHT like us before we even approach her?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:58 PM
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"women don’t give them what they want and need in a relationship." Isn't this a problem though? Why wouldn't they be annoyed about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:57 PM
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To answer your first point, yes, it does apply to attractive men as well. I think what I meant by that was perhaps we're all looking at "attractive" people because on some level we want an attractive person and seeing what they're doing and it seems like they're all going for the "best" they can find and so people are applying it to the overall population. To your second point, I have seen men with less attractive women but I agree, it's far less common compared to the opposite which is attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:59 PM
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You are a rare breed of woman, cheers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:41 PM
1

Where do you think this comes from though because I don't think this is an imaginary problem?.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:38 PM
1

Again, a bunch of assumptions. You literally gave zero advice. Best of luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:12 PM
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Wow, someone is unhappy. This is why I do my best to just lurk on this sub and not post but occasionally I like to ask questions. You'd think I would have learned my lesson by now but my hope for having a civil conversation seems to take the best of me. Who ever said I thought women were monoliths? Standard damn answer to every question posed on here. Where on earth are you getting all these random assumptions? How do you now I or any other guys hasn't asked the right, specific questions? What a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:00 PM
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I'm curious if this would actually be beneficial though. What else would they say beyond what the majority of women would say (what a lot of women here say)? Be confident, nice, attentive, charismatic, funny, caring, treat me like a person and not an object, dress well, smell good, have a nice body, be passionate about something, etc. That's all great but still, in no way, guarantees you'll attract someone. There are many guys who do all that and still struggle with women and/or can't find a mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:31 PM
1

Haha was just going to say this!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:13 PM
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I don't know man, I don't really see this play out in real life. Yes if you're a tall and naturally handsome guy, the world is your oyster as it pertains to women. But if you're not, looks have their limits. A man's look is limited by many things no matter how much he looks maxes so it doesn't really move the needle that much. Height? You're either tall or you're not, nothing you can do about that. I agree you can hit the gym and have a hot bod, but I lost track of how many men I know who are gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:04 PM
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I think the issue with this is seeing it from a woman's perspective vs. a man. Society at large seems to tell men to settle for what they can get whilst it tells women to go for the best that you can get. Perhaps you don't see this but from a man's perspective, it's pervasive. But it's not good advice because many men aren't getting anything and when they do, it's not someone that they like. All the while, there's no sex. It's lose lose all the time seemingly. Women, however, can hold out for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:53 PM
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I think when people say that, it's a lot more specific though. It's not that average dudes will never find a woman to be with. Unless I'm understanding it wrong, from what I'm seeing is that statements like that are saying that attractive women are only going for the top 20% of men and as such, those women are largely inaccessible to the majority of men, thus proving hypergamy. Whether or not that is true, I guess would lead us back to this discussion which has been discussed ad nauseum on this …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:49 PM
1

I'm curious where you got the last point. Who are these billionaires who met their wives in their 30s?
/r/ExRedPill10/02/25 07:08 PM
1

I've learned that essentially all Reddit subs pertaining to men and women are largely bullshit. They're full of people who are man-hating white knights and see no fault in women whatsoever.
/r/ExRedPill06/02/25 06:30 AM
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This is what this sub is all about, hence why it's not really credible in any way.
/r/ExRedPill05/02/25 11:39 PM
1

Have you been to college?
/r/ExRedPill05/02/25 07:25 AM
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I agree, it's definitely a wide spread issue and it's almost always done as a coping mechanism or escape from trauma/reality but women are the gatekeepers of sex, they can say no at any time and many don't, they're just indulging perpetually with no regard and any pushback gets championed with "If men are doing it then so should we". I keep seeing all these sex stats but from what I understand, it's all self-reported data which is horribly unreliable.
/r/ExRedPill05/02/25 06:49 AM
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It does. Power is very much intertwined in human behavior and nature. This includes relationships. There is always a power dynamic, always. One shouldn't be thinking about it, it just is, and it either occurs at the onset of the relationship or it gets set over time.
/r/ExRedPill05/02/25 06:44 AM
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Myself personally, I'm definitely talking about genuine expression of vulnerability. Maybe the cases I have heard of where the women leave the men as a result of the men being too emotional are cases of emotional dumping, who knows, they didn't exactly specify. They just told me the guy was too emotional. I agree with everything you've said here except one thing: I don't think men are over-masculinizing and women are over-feminizing. If anything, my experience indicates the exact opposite: men h…
/r/ExRedPill05/02/25 06:43 AM
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I never mentioned anything other than human history being about power which has nothing to do with black/white thinking or obsessing about it.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 11:35 PM
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Right, and my answer was backed by MY actual observations from what I'm seeing in reality. I definitely don't think every women is excessively promiscuous but it's absolutely a large portion of women and far more common than people on this sub claim.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 11:33 PM
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Thank you for your detailed response! My understanding was the RP appealed to men not because of unrealistic expectations that they couldn't live up to but rather female behavior that they couldn't understand. I know that's what drew me to it in the past and helped me understand what I was experiencing with the women I was dating. I never felt like I had to live up to anyone's expectations but my own and I still don't. I have my expectations for myself and seek to live up to those every day rega…
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 11:29 PM
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I live in Los Angeles so I can sympathize.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 09:48 PM
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This is purely anecdotal though and how would one actually put a percentage to this? Does one just walk around and ask women how many men they've had sex with? I know from personal experience that you don't always get an honest answer to that question. I know many women who have been with at least a few dozen men just during their "ho phase" (their legitimate words, not mine). I knew many women in high school and college who were doing things you'd see on porn sets.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 09:46 PM
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Life is a game of power. If anyone denies this then they need a crash course in human history.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 09:02 PM
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That's interesting, I never heard those 3 things about RP, I thought it was other things like hypergamy, chads, etc. I think life experience is something to be listened to. I can tell you I've been vulnerable with women, shown emotion, etc. only to have those things used against me later on. I know women definitely want a man with a vibrant social life and status (I've had many women tell me that, verbatim). I lost track of how many women I've heard who claim that they're better than men at ever…
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 08:45 PM
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You have to learn to think for yourself first and foremost and stop blaming online content. Question everything and don't throw things out just because you can't make sense of them. It does sound like you need therapy so find a GOOD therapist which is a difficult process so don't give up.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 08:37 PM
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I don't think this is about misogyny per se but more about your post in general: this is about the very prevalent gender warfare that continues to be stoked between the sexes. Men and women are both suffering at the hands of ideologies that are meant to divide men and women. To think that one side is "innocent" or "right" whilst the other is the victim is incorrect but it's easy because it's very emotionally triggering. Both men and women are being unkind to each other at this point and until th…
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 07:47 PM
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I THINK it's because women are way more vocal about it than men, hence why it SEEMS like women are opting out of relationships to YOLO more so than men are when in reality, it might be roughly equal. This is just my personal experience. I know many women who outwardly don't hesitate to state they don't need a man, they don't want a relationship, and just want to travel, mess around, etc. whereas the men that I know doing this don't really vocally state that during conversations or post about it …
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 05:25 PM
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Like most things, many of the people here have conflated Red Pill with politics and as such, it's now a political issue and so you've got political figures involved (Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Peterson, etc). When that happens, it's hard to have discourse because it's all emotional rhetoric and people go on the attack. You have some good questions and that's the key, keep questioning. Truth is rarely on the extreme end of things, it's somewhere in the middle but I'm not sure you'll get answers here.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 05:19 PM
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Isn't this the opposite? They milk resources from nice guys and betas while sleeping with chads, no?
/r/seduction15/01/25 08:22 AM
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I'm not sure if getting out of your head is that simple. If you're having internal conflict of "I'm not good enough" or "I'm not sure of myself", etc. I don't it's as simple as just switching it off. How would you recommend to do this?
/r/seduction14/01/25 07:31 PM
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How would one go about feeling like they are good enough?
/r/seduction14/01/25 06:29 PM
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Can you clarify the easy mode concept?
/r/seduction02/01/25 10:56 PM
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I disagree man. Most women I know in their 30s are arrogant, picky as hell, and very shallow. Maybe it's my location (Los Angeles) but women here in their 30s are nothing like you speak of. They've got their jobs and college degrees and think that makes them special, they walk around proclaiming they don't need a man, and they've been told they still have PLENTY of time to find Mr. Right so they've very much still shallow and picky and arrogant.
/r/seduction02/01/25 10:55 PM
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You've proven my points for me over and over, I don't need a rebuttal other than your responses, which you're now resorting to copying me, thank you again :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 11:29 PM
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You're proving it for me, thank you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 11:19 PM
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Nah homie, you completely misunderstood and went on the attack as you're still doing. Relax and maybe spend less time attacking men on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 11:10 PM
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You're really fun to talk to. All your points go back to attacking men and perceived issues men have. You clearly have major anger issues towards men and I'm sorry if someone hurt you in the past. I wish you the best of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 10:17 PM
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It's absolutely delusional if what you want is something that you in no way are fit to be receiving. That is entitlement, when you feel like you should get something that in no way aligns with who you are. If I'm a broke, overweight man, in no way am I entitled to a supermodel as a wife, for example. So drastic population decline across nations isn't a problem, got it. A record number of men and women reporting loneliness isn't a problem, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:03 PM
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I meant it as you're accepting responsibility in the event that you don't find someone which, at least on the interwebz, is not something most people do. Men blame women and women blame men, but you're taking responsibility and saying it's on you if you don't find someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:44 PM
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I agree with you on nothing ever being guaranteed. But people are definitely delusional at this point in society, men and women, with regards to who they think they are entitled to. You don't see a problem, society-wide, in most people never finding someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:42 PM
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Right, I agree with you on that. But isn't it a problem if collectively people are pursuing a minority? Statistically that leads to most people never finding someone since there isn't enough of a minority to go around.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:35 PM
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Thank you for the clarification. I think you did a great job with putting it into words :) I think part of what OP is saying he is having a problem with is that people (specifically women) have the freedom to choose who they want to be with and the issue with that, in general, is that most people (men and women) will gravitate towards very specific features/traits which are, in general, found in a minority of people and that, in and of itself, is a problem because the majority are in pursuit of …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:21 PM
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I'm trying to understand what you're saying. No where did I say that you're saying anything, hence why I'm seeking clarification. No need to get hostile.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:51 PM
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So it's not necessarily predicated on what you can see physically?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:43 PM
1

Interesting. As you said though, you were raised on the premise of "be happy whilst single". Do you think most people are raised like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:19 PM
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I'm curious, what would you define as sexually attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:16 PM
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Yea but don't you ever question that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:03 PM
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It's interesting that you're taking responsibility for whether or not you find a good man by a certain time period. Do you think this is what most people do? How do you resist blaming others?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:57 PM
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Interesting. Why should they be happy single, though? Like why is that being pushed on society so strongly? Wouldn't you say that most people are probably better off being with someone than single? And why do you think people settle?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:54 PM
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This has been my experience. Girls are generally very dishonest about their sexual past to the point of where you'll never know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 07:38 PM
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Truthfully, some of your thoughts are warranted so don't be hard on yourself. Dating in today's world can be a very malicious process. There are many people out there who seek to waste your time, use you, disrespect you, etc. They exist, and if you're actively single and dating, you will come across many of them. Are most people like this? Probably not, but as a man you need learn to trust your instincts and know when someone is not being honest, is cheating, using you, etc. Regarding texting, e…
/r/ExRedPill10/10/24 05:56 PM
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I wouldn't say I'm a redpiller but I'd be stupid to dismiss it all outright. Redpill helped me understand a substantial amount of female behavior I was encountering in my dating life and still run into to this day. I never accepted it fully, but only saw it as one perspective out of many. Truth is rarely ever at the extremes, it's somewhere in the middle and so I find that it is helpful to take in as many perspectives as one can, question everything, and then nagivate through the world and updat…
/r/ExRedPill07/10/24 10:17 PM
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Absolutely, but I don't know of anyone who actually does this, it seems like it's mostly internet talk. But it's also not as easy as just be friendly to women and treat them as people. In my experience, all that gets you is a ticket to the friendzone.
/r/seduction01/10/24 09:03 PM
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I'm curious, in your opinion, how does one do this and not end up being just a friendly guy? I'm not saying don't treat her like a person, but if you just seek to be friendly and get to know a woman, how do you not end up being friend-zoned? Doesn't there have to be some seduction at work?
/r/seduction29/09/24 10:05 PM
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Very well said man. Far easier said than done but one of the most important things a man can do is uncouple his sense of self-worth/esteem from women.
/r/seduction27/09/24 07:57 PM
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You're still talking about a minority of women no matter which way you want to look at it. Statistically, the women who age well are those who take care of themselves from an early enough age and/or radically change their life to live healthier before it's too late as well as those who are genetically gifted. What I described is not most women. I wish it was as it would make it a lot easier to find someone but the reality is most women (and men) age fairly poorly and weight gain is the biggest i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 10:27 PM
1

Cheers man, that makes sense. Thank you for the clarification.
/r/seduction20/09/24 07:03 AM
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Hmmm, maybe. I'd say this guy is pretty good in the sense that he's taking the bootcamp to more refine his game rather than develop from scratch. He's had lots of success with women in the past and we actually bumped into a girl he's currently seeing. I'm just trying to understand how much of this is outside of our control.
/r/seduction19/09/24 06:26 PM
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But you needed to look good and young and have great charm and game to get the tutor which then preselected you for the younger girl. I don't disagree with what you're saying but I don't think just working on a college campus is guaranteed to get you a young college girl. There must be a lot more to you as a man to generate that attraction.
/r/seduction19/09/24 06:24 PM
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But isn't all that luck and/or right place/right time? Maybe he was off mood/energy with all the other girls but for whatever reason, he had the "right" energy with the one girl but how much of that is something we can control?
/r/seduction19/09/24 06:23 PM
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Fair enough, what about all the other girls he bombed with? What was the difference between the one girl that it worked out with vs. all the other women that didn't?
/r/seduction18/09/24 09:56 PM
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Yea but my 6'3 friend blew it for the whole weekend with at least a dozen other women. Wouldn't you say he got lucky with the one girl? I agree with you that a high level of confidence, social awareness, and charisma is really important and I'm not saying to not cultivate those things. It just seems like at the end of the day, it's a numbers game and much of it is predicated on the girl first being attracted to you and then the rest just being confident and having a conversation.
/r/seduction18/09/24 09:48 PM
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You misunderstood my whole post so no, I am not wrong. I never said anything about not doing any of the things you've listed. Obviously, do everything you can as a man to build yourself up holistically. But after you've done all that, then what? What is left other than approach women (without any lines or openers) and if she finds you physically attractive, then have a normal conversation with them. That was the point of my whole post. If she doesn't find you attractive, move on and approach ano…
/r/seduction18/09/24 09:26 PM
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I think you got lucky man. From what I understand, the vast majority of women are not at all interested in dating someone that much older than them. You either have to look really good, look younger, and/or have great charm/game.
/r/seduction18/09/24 06:51 PM
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Did not mean to insult you or your taste in men. You said you gave him a chance which sounded like, at least initially, he wasn't your cup-of-tea but something about him made you stick with it and you ended up really loving him. If that wasn't what you implied, I misread, my apologies. Can't speak for other men but I have given plenty of average women with a "great personality" a chance and it always ended up a disaster, so much so that I now refuse to lower my standards. It's simply not worth i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 10:52 PM
1

I'm curious, do you think most women take a chance like you did? Do most women like yourself give an "average" guy a chance frequently?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:46 PM
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You're in LA? I'd love to meet with you man.
/r/seduction17/09/24 05:12 AM
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Good stuff man. My main sticking points/negative loop: 1.) I pedastalize the women I find attractive by having limiting thoughts/beliefs of "they wont' find me attractive", "they won't like me", "I'm not good enough/tall enough to get a girl like that", etc. 2.) This then makes it hard to interact with them (at best I come across as friendly, at worst I comes across as I'm trying too hard). This makes it difficult to relax, have fun, flirt, be assertive, etc. That's the loop. The interaction lea…
/r/seduction15/09/24 07:01 PM
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This is what scares me a little, about maybe never being able to fully get rid of it. But I'll stat with a guided therapeutic setting. My problem is similar to OP but I haven't had a fraction of the success/attention he's had so I'm seeking validation/worth/esteem/approval from women and using that as my source of esteem/worth which is a negative loop obviously. I'm trying to uncouple that but feel like I've only barely moved a needle with respect to therapy, books, etc.
/r/seduction15/09/24 06:20 PM
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Currently considering them because I can't seem to unwire similar self-worth/esteem issues as OP
/r/seduction15/09/24 04:51 PM
1

Which plant medicines have you tried?
/r/seduction15/09/24 04:30 PM
1

Same haha.
/r/seduction14/09/24 06:18 PM
2

DMing you because it looks like we all struggle with the same thing.
/r/seduction14/09/24 06:16 PM
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Been dancing for about 6 months now and I agree, if you get good at it, it's incredibly seductive. BUT be warned, unless you're dancing with a complete beginner, most women won't be interested in you if they're better dances than you. Got to get good as fast as possible. I dance 4 nights a week.
/r/seduction14/09/24 06:14 PM
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I assume this is crazy hard to find. I'm in LA and would love to have the experience your private guy offers but where do I even begin to look for that? I suspect they won't be on some website.
/r/seduction13/09/24 06:17 PM
1

Most women that I do this with actually do comment on it so they are noticing but yes, the whole idea is silly. I hold doors open for every person.
/r/ExRedPill13/09/24 05:23 PM
1

I understand but then what's the point of using them then? And how are the people who are actually meeting on these apps and getting into relationships having success? What are those men doing other than being good looking?
/r/ExRedPill13/09/24 05:22 PM
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Good stuff, thank you, although I wouldn't say I've resorted to using the least reliable methond. Like I said, I'm going out nearly every single night of the week, I have many hobbies I partake in daily/weekly, I get invited to events, parties, etc. I get what you're saying and I'm most likely coming across as desperate. It's just hard not to be when you're lonely. Nonetheless, I'll shift my focus from finding a girlfriend to meeting new people.
/r/ExRedPill12/09/24 05:16 PM
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I'm looking to get into a relationship haha, need to get dates first. Been doing live improv for nearly a year now and I love it. Approaching women I still find much harder. Which IG dating influencers do you recommend?
/r/seduction12/09/24 03:20 PM
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I'm not trying to challenge you in either way, I just asked for clarification. What I'm hearing you say is never approach women with the intention of romance, only approach them with the intention of friendship. Be friends with them first. Fair enough, I will do my best to remove any/all romantic intention from my interactions with women. I appreciate the videos on how the apps work. Regardless, they're still very demoralizing. I'll get off the apps. It sucks that all I hear about is that this i…
/r/ExRedPill12/09/24 07:57 AM
1

I'm at 12% right now but the amount of physical activity I do on a daily/weekly basis is intense and my diet is ridiculously regimented.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:16 AM
1

Do you make eye contact with these men or do you just look at them at a glance?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:12 AM
1

Baseline standards I understand, like not someone overweight, old, etc. But if you don't have options, you'll be going after average just as much as above average just to get some so it's hard to qualify and be choosy in that regard because you're coming from a place of scarcity by default. Please do explain the behavior part.
/r/seduction11/09/24 10:53 PM
1

What did you do within that 1 year to get to where you are now? I'm about the same age as you.
/r/seduction11/09/24 10:23 PM
1

How do you do this if you don't have options though?
/r/seduction11/09/24 08:12 PM
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It's absolutely a talent and it's damn hard.
/r/seduction11/09/24 04:17 PM
1

I'm curious, how do you suggest men go about this?
/r/ExRedPill11/09/24 04:04 PM
1

I think you're oversimplifying some things here. I agree one doesn't need to be "alpha" in 2024 but to just simply find a woman with shared interests in no way guarantees you'll find a woman to be with romantically. As a man, I still have to do everything to stand out from all the other men who have approached you. That's what is so appealing about the "alpha" concept and why guys think in terms of scarcity with women. The idea is that if I can be "alpha" I can get women and therefore have an ab…
/r/ExRedPill11/09/24 04:00 PM
1

I definitely don't think men are treating it like a game and if that is the case, women are treating it like a game just as much. There are legitimately serious men on there looking for a serious relationship. I'm assuming that there are women as well.
/r/ExRedPill11/09/24 02:57 PM
1

So them what's the purpose of the apps? Isn't something like 50% of people are now meeting off the apps, isn't that just as good or better reflection of reality as opposed to real life and going outside?
/r/ExRedPill11/09/24 04:32 AM
1

Fair enough, I get what you're saying. There is a reason why I'm no longer dating those women.
/r/ExRedPill11/09/24 04:24 AM
0

Are women not evaluating me as a man and what I have to offer when they date me? Literally the last two women I dated went through a laundry list of things they wanted in a man and asked me whether or not I had those things. I never said I thought I'm doing everything right, hence the whole point of this post, because it's my opinion something is wrong somewhere and I want to find out why. You seem to have misinterpreted everything I've said. I've asked for advice from everyone who chimed in.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 10:36 PM
1

I don't think this is true, certainly not on dating apps. If we can assume that the majority of women on the apps are average as well as the majority of men, then why aren't these people matching together? Because most women are ignoring most men on the apps, deeming them as unattractive.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 09:57 PM
2

Horrible human being. It's a tragedy that people like here have such a large following.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 09:42 PM
1

Some context: I'm a 34 year old guy, currently having some struggles finding someone to be in a relationship with and eventually start a family, so I went in with wanting to discuss those struggles. It was like I was talking to a teenager. Apparently, most of her clients are wealthy porn addicts. She labeled me as such, proceeded to gloss over my entire life as it everything I had gone through was irrelevant, and basically told me there is no hope of me finding someone at this point because I'm …
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 09:08 PM
0

Seems like everyone is still assuming all sorts of things about people without seeking the need to clarify.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 08:34 PM
0

I don't view myself as a nice guy. I have made physical observations of guys mistreating women and observing and listening to women's reactions to them.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 08:32 PM
0

I've never asked a woman what she brought to the table, I don't know why people are thinking that. I'm asking myself what she is bringing to the table just as she is evaluating me the entire time. I feel like I have every right to be doing that just as most women's dating profiles have a long list of what requirements that they demand in a man.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 08:29 PM
1

I'll try to do this but I'll have to sell my home, uproot my entire equestrian hobby that I've been working on for over a decade, and change my business to be able to work remotely. It's a herculean effort.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 08:17 PM
1

I'm 34 and looking for a woman 26+ to get married to and start a family...you're the perfect age so stop being hard on yourself. Take care of yourself, love yourself, and respect yourself.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 08:15 PM
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I did a consultation with her once and it was HORRID. It's really a shame people like her get such a large following/platform. What most people don't realize is how much these people are just characters with little substance.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 08:02 PM
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u/ChelseaDagger16 I do get what you're both saying, I honestly don't know how to approach apps, meaning I don't know how to asses my level of attractiveness other than I'm not attractive enough. Obviously, I'm not attractive enough as statistically most women on apps are looking for someone of a certain height/stature/nationality and I'm not a 6'+ white male. I think I'm not being at all seen by most women since many of them filter for guys above 6' so it's hard not to assess self-worth but then…
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 06:52 PM
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I considered a number of matchmakers but the "good ones' are at least $10,000. I have the money but as a man, I can't help but ask what the fuck is wrong with me to have to pay someone $10k+ to help me find a woman? People find each other every single day, why am I having to suffer to do that?
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 06:16 PM
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I don't think I'm better than women. I think I sound that way because I'm surrounded by women who think they're better than men and don't hesitate to verbally express that. I looked into matchmaking services and they're crazy expensive (think at least $10,000 and upwards). I have the money but it's a lot of money for no guarantee. I just felt like what's wrong with me to have to spend $10k just to have someone find me a woman? I know how to date, I'm not some incompetent idiot, I know how to com…
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 06:14 PM
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Very much so, thank you. Let me clarify: 1: My perspective on this is due to the fact that women look at me and ask what do I bring to the table which is fair. Why can't I look at them and ask the same? I've never actually asked this of women, but it's in the back of my mind just like most women have it when evaluating me. I just feel like in today's world, it's so one-sided, there is such a large echo chamber of "men bring nothing to the table" so I found myself asking what does a woman bring t…
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 06:00 PM
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It really sucks and I honestly regret not taking this part of my life seriously many years ago. I was so focused on career but had I known it was going to be this hard, I would have started this endeavor long ago. I think statistically the odds of finding someone past a certain age is abysmal, particularly for men so I'm very concerned about how to approach all this.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 05:21 PM
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I guess this is all just compatibility issues that I need to clarify. I'm not saying I'm going to go adventure on my own and you stay at home. You'd need to be at least open to things that are adventurous or at least outdoorsy. I ride horses, I love hiking and being outdoors, I love traveling. We need to be compatible on at least some of those things. If we're not, then we'd probably not make it very far. Regarding sex, I honestly make it all about her. For me, it's about giving her the best exp…
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 05:33 AM
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You seem to understand :) People have no idea how bad dating is here. It's horrid. There is a very prominent demographic of women that truly hate men and have no reservations in being vocal about it in every way. And yes, the superficiality, ego, entitlement, arrogance is off the charts. People live life like it's is a social media highlight reel and it's that's not you, you're definitely out of place. Everyone tells me to leave LA if I'm serious about finding a spouse but where the hell do I go…
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 05:11 AM
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If you think my list of requirements are shallow, you should see some women's dating profiles. I want a long term relationship that leads to a marriage and kids. Common interests are great but it's not necessary in the sense that as long as we're both open to new things, we can always get involved in each others interests. I'd love to find someone who loves the same things I do so I agree, maybe I should be more mindful of sharing common interests. I've yet to find someone whilst doing any of th…
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 05:06 AM
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Very true, I'll ask them when I see them again, thank you.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 10:34 PM
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Hmmm, that's tough. I never really sat down and thought about how to do that. I've been with women who really were into me and wanted me, and I've been with women who were more lukewarm. I can say that the big differentiator was my attitude and I'll get a lot of shit for saying this but here goes: they wanted me more than I wanted them. From there I was just more confident and secure in myself and who I was and I was okay with the girl leaving at any moment. The reciprocal is also true: the more…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 10:32 PM
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I thought about it and I felt like I would really come across as desperate. I mean they know I'm not having much success with dating, hence how we arrived at the topic in the first place, so to remind them again, it just feels like I'm really pushing it. I'm sure I'm making it a much bigger deal that it really is.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 10:28 PM
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I do my best to stay as socially active as possible since I know what it's like to isolate oneself and it's not pleasant. A LOT of people tell me they know someone they can set me up with and in the end, it never happens. I think they honestly just forget.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 10:18 PM
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I probably won't meet a woman who makes as much money as I do. I own my own home outright, no debt, so a woman's money/income is irrelevant to me and I don't need anything from her financially nor would I ever expect it. I do all the cooking, cleaning, laundry etc. myself. A woman's character is what I'm looking for. Take care of your health/fitness, be respectful, appreciative, grateful, affectionate, feminine, loyal. Be humble, no ego/entitlement/arrogance, I'm not someone for you to compete w…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 10:17 PM
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Everywhere I go socially. At the barn/riding facility, at events/parties that friends invite me to, at improv classes (I've been doing live improv for nearly a year), at dance classes. The majority of women I meet that I like are taken, unfortunately (relationship, engaged, married).
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 10:06 PM
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Both from apps and in person, but mostly from in person.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 10:04 PM
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Treating them like shit: One guy this past weekend refused to drive his girlfriend home and told her to go with someone else because he didn't want her getting his newly detailed car interior dirty. As far as I could tell, she wasn't filthy in any way and his car is some early-2000s Chevy pick up. Nothing remotely fancy. Apparently he does this to her all the time and it bothers her tremendously, among many other things she shared. I like what you've said regarding the individual and what they b…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:59 PM
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Gotcha, that makes sense. Honestly, a woman's character is far more important than her accomplishments. I don't need a woman's financial resources, I make more than enough on my own. It's the behavior and habits you speak of that are important and yes, I've perhaps met many women who have these things and I just didn't see them because I wasn't romantically interested in them. I'm sure they exist. The conundrum is finding that in a person you're interested in/attracted to and that takes us back …
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:43 PM
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I try not to lead with success/money but it's also hard not to. Horses are a huge part of my life so they come up fairly soon in getting to know me and horseback riding in LA is synonymous with money (or that's usually what people think). By the second date, they usually want come over to my place and it's a big house which leads to them thinking of me, as you eluded to, a bank or a retirement plan. That's when the exclusivity conversation comes ups as they want to lock things down. It's frustra…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:40 PM
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Women and children first if the doors happen to be sinking, of course ;)
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:32 PM
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Thank you. I wouldn't identify as an incel. I actually love women and sex and in no way would I ever resign to being alone or never having sex and I'm not blaming women at all. If I'm blaming anything it's culture/society in general that's lead to people, for many reasons, not being able to connect and socialize the way we used to many years ago. I accept full responsibility for where I am in life, for better or for worse, I'm just trying to find out what is going on. I'd love to find a woman th…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:31 PM
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I appreciate the detailed reply, thank you. I'll definitely read the detox you speak of. Regarding not actively looking to date/be in a relationship. Many people have told me that and it's just hard not to. When you're lonely and frustrated and feel like you're irrelevant to most women when you've gone to insane lengths to better yourself as a man/person in every way and still not being enough to find a partner, it's just hard to not actively look, instead it feels like I need to double down eve…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:24 PM
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I hold doors open for everyone, men, women, and children.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:15 PM
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I do. I'm extremely frustrated and honestly lonely and it's probably coming across as desperate. When I compare my success with women/dating in my mid-late 20s to now, it's night and day. I was broke back them, didn't dress well, hadn't travelled anywhere, was so confused about what I was doing in life in general after my original career aspirations fell apart. I wasn't doing anything special, I wasn't "running game" or doing PUA stuff. I was just meeting women organically and getting to know th…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:14 PM
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Fair enough. I was honestly thinking it wasn't worth doing all that anymore anyways so I'll stop, I have no problem with that.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:00 PM
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I don't think so as I'm not letting women drag me around and waste my time but please do elaborate.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 08:52 PM
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It's definitely lust on my part. The downside of a crazy high sex drive. I do get what you're saying though. After having slept with her enough times, the luster is gone and you realize that it wasn't nearly as big a deal as it was in the beginning but it's hard to internalize that at the very beginning.
/r/seduction09/09/24 03:38 AM
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Did you just approach any and all attractive women that you saw out and about or did you specifically go to places to do this (bars, clubs, etc). Did you do this alone? How did you tweak your approach as you went along the process?
/r/seduction09/09/24 03:18 AM
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She's a 36 year old doctor with her own practice, not some young/naive college student. Don't tell me you went through a ho phase with many men and then tell me I have to earn sex from you! I appreciate the openness and honesty, I really do, but those two things don't go together. If she said she doesn't have sex on the first date, awesome, I understand. But to go from: "I went through a ho phase", to: "you have to earn sex from me" is absolutely the most ridiculous experience I've had with a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 03:06 PM
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What was the experience you went through?
/r/seduction08/09/24 02:23 PM
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Cheers man. I think most guys will need to go the route your best friend had you take, basically total immersion.
/r/seduction07/09/24 10:52 PM
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Yes but don't you need to believe that about yourself first? Don't you need to internalize that she's trying to sell you and that you're the buyer?
/r/seduction07/09/24 09:52 PM
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Isn't the foundation of all this mindset? How do you internalize all of that first before the dialogue happens?
/r/seduction07/09/24 09:40 PM
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I've read a lot of your stuff man and it sounds like you've come a long way but I think you gloss over a lot of your realizations. I'm assuming it wasn't as easy as waking up one day, flipping a switch, and then saying: "I'm not going to put any effort into getting women" and then boom ---> pussy magnet. Were there specific things you did to work on your mindset and change your approach?
/r/seduction07/09/24 08:56 PM
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Definitely see it over 30 all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 02:16 PM
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I never said you were a waitress. Clearly we are having a hard time understanding each other. Maybe a recent dating experience will shed some light on what I meant by "women need to understand what they have to bring to the table." Met a girl at a dinner event. We talked all night, turns out we both ride horses and she wanted to come check out the barn I ride at, we exchanged numbers and made plans. First date, I got in trouble with the barn for basically taking a horse out that I shouldn't to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 06:48 AM
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Hopefully this is more helpful. It's definitely something difficult that women face. We're in a really shitty situation with dating; dishonesty and manipulation I think is the norm for both men and women and both parties are worse for it. I think as a woman, you need to be honest and upfront about what you want and I think you need to take it upon yourself to set a timeline. A man shouldn't need more than a few years to find out whether or not he wants to marry you. This changes a bit depending …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:52 PM
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Does this come naturally to you or did you have to work on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:54 PM
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What did you do to work on your social skills and did you specifically focus on social skills as they pertained to women (game) or a more broad approach?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:38 PM
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Thank you :) You've asked a tough question. I don't necessarily know why a man would invest years into a woman and not follow through other than the fact that he just doesn't value time: his or others. So I would look at how he spends his time. Is he frivolous with it or does he fill it with things that are productive? Is he engaged in anything that has taken him years to accomplish and he's actually stuck with it all these years? Does he have goals and aspirations that are worthwhile? I would a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:39 PM
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Fair enough, I now get what you're saying now that you've described things in more detail. Do you mind if I DM you my Hinge profile and get your opinion on whether or not you think it eschews disgust in the way you have described?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:41 AM
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Then it's purely anecdotal evidence that we're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:45 PM
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It is rare. You and your friends are a minority even if it is becoming more common. I definitely don't think women are aging more slowly or looking younger. Those of you that are are a statistically minority. The average American woman is at her heaviest in recorded history at 165lbs. The women that age well are those that are genetically gifted and/or take it upon themselves to take care of their health/fitness from a very early age and maintain that. Statistically, that is a minority as it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:44 PM
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These guys were getting the hottest women in school, in the sororities, etc. that most other men were fantasizing about. I agree that we're talking about perspective/delusion which is then very hard to quantify, especially if we're saying that not all women are like this. The real discussion is, then, how many women really are delusional like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:21 PM
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Yea but women's behavior says otherwise and I've seen many very attractive women all the way back to high school through college and into their 30s with average looking men. If I listened to what women said on Reddit, I'd stay at home all day in my basement and play video games and never talk to a woman again. I understand your conundrum on the single and 30s women, that's a bit different as now they're desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:04 PM
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I understand you completely, but I think you're misunderstanding the word disgust. Statistically, women swipe right on I think less than 5% of guys. When you look at the guys they are swiping on, there is a very real physical preference which is a man of a certain height and stature and look. So back to my original point: women are swiping on predominantly looks, not this disgust factor you speak of. How many guys are not even seen by women because most women filter out any guy under 6'? That ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:52 PM
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This is where it gets complicated. I think a lot has to do with mental seduction. Some of the best guys I know with women are fairly average but they have women obsessed with them because they have incredible game. That is genuine desire. I'd say most women are in unhappy relationships because most men (irrespective of physical attraction) ultimately let women walk all over them. I don't think it's the physical attraction (or lack thereof) that is at play although it can feed into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:35 PM
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I know that stat (although I don't remember where it comes from) and I understand the truth behind it but day-to-day reality also challenges it. I'd say it's fairly normal to see average men with above-average women. Many women I see are with men that are "below them" in terms of straight-up looks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:17 PM
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In an ideal world, we do give your best to our spouses but I think this is not the norm to be honest and I don't want to attack women but hear me out and let me know your thoughts. It doesn't take much for a man to give his best sexual experience to a woman. I suppose the only thing missing would be any sort of intimate connection but men can still fuck like pros even if they're not into a woman and actually enjoy it. I make it a point to give every woman the best experience I can irrespective o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:13 PM
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A big part of it is this and second/third order effects of it also. If you're at home all the time, your social skills will suffer which then further causes you to not end up fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:01 PM
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I would categorize those guys as strongly average. If that's your standard for average, then nearly all guys are unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:59 PM
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The only truth in this whole post. It's all cope!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:22 PM
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Your case is a bit of an exception because of your husbands culture and because of your genetics which make you look younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:18 PM
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This is reality right here. It's not nearly as "sunshine and rainbows" as most of the women here think it is. While there are anomalies where it ends up in a serious relationship or marriage, most of the time it's just casual sex and the guy leaves as soon as he secures a younger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:16 PM
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Exactly. Trust me, many women here are very promiscuous irrespective of date. Maybe they make guys wait when they get older (think late 20s/early 30s) but it's fairly common for women to have sex on the first date in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:02 PM
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What makes you say that women are settling on looks for stability?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:53 PM
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This is waaaay more common than you think. Many women are having sex on the first date, most are having sex by the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:52 PM
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Not necessarily. It depends upon the sex we are getting in the relationship that we are in. Desire can't be negotiated so unless the woman we are with truly desires us and shows that through sex, then we are left to compare that to other women we've been with who had sex with us because they desired us.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:49 PM
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I don't disagree with what you're saying but most women I know, if it's not a "toxic abusive ex" story, it's a story on how they were used for sex by fuckboys whom they thought they could change. If they didn't encounter an abusive man, they did experience being used for only sex by men, especially if they passed through the very common "ho phase" that so many do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:42 PM
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You talk a lot about ki. What things have you done to be more in tune with that? Have you tried meditation, psychedelic's, etc?
/r/seduction04/09/24 07:44 PM
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I asked a question about this on here and it got removed but your experience sounds profound. I was wondering if porn, OnlyFans, etc. is what, at least partly. caused men to pedestalize women since it seems like the crux of the matter is almost always the pedestalizing of attractive women that men do.
/r/seduction04/09/24 07:41 PM
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You're asking a lot from the average man in today's world haha. What you're describing takes a level of self-awareness and discipline which most people don't have and it takes practice to really be in tune in social situations. I still cold approach (I hate that word) but I had to do a lot of work on my communication. I've been doing live improv for nearly a year to slow down my speech, deal with nerves, work on really listening and observing who I'm speaking with, work on banter and wit. I'm a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 07:21 PM
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Some good truth here man. We're living in a world where men are afraid of women and then listening to women with respect to how to get them (don't approach me) and then when it doesn't work, they hate women. Crazy simulation we're living in.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 07:06 PM
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Gotcha. We're not all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:41 PM
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You have a very unique perspective on things in this sub although I'm still trying to figure out why you'd think I'd want an open relationship haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:12 PM
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Yea but that's a very dismal reality since the apps clearly aren't working for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:00 PM
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You're missing the point. The majority of women are swiping right purely based on looks, height, etc. Those who are not are a statical minority and this is proven by real data. You absolutely care about status. You want the best man you can find, with whatever best means to you. That is a man who has status in at least some area(s) of life. League also occurs to women, hence why you've got so many overweight women past their prime age with these crazy high standards for men that they'll never ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:44 PM
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I somewhat agree with you. Women are very much selecting for looks no matter how many of them deny this. The vast majority of women on dating apps are going purely off of looks and height. But addressing your second point, that is all the more reason why they'll never find the "one". He either doesn't exist, is way out of her league, or is a man that can't be changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:58 AM
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True. I mean your body can be improved, game can be improved so unless you're got a hideous face, a man with an average face, great game, and great physique can still do very well with attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:13 AM
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So then how would you describe fairly average guys with really attractive women? I've known guys like that as far back as high school all the way into their 30s. I see that almost every single day. I mean obviously they've got great game which is what I'm assuming you'd categorize as "other factors". I've also seen the inverse which is guys who are above average but who struggle with women big time. Results/outcomes are a great indicator but even those don't necessarily indicate what about the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 12:35 AM
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Yea that's the thing, things can get muddy when they are subjective and so it gets hard to ascertain what is average or not. So my friend: 6'3" which is above average height, but he's overweight, diabetic, average job, definitely not attractive face, spends lots of time playing video games, etc. Is he average or above average? Take me: 5'9" which is average height but I'm pushing 170lbs at 12% body fat, looking to get it down to 10%, my income puts me in the top 5%, very defined jawline so my fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:16 PM
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I've tried to reform him but he doesn't care honestly. That just takes us back to our original conversation though. Women are screening for something physically "above average" in general so all the average/below average women are, in fact, going after some aspect of an above average male. And if we're talking about dating apps, that equates to above-average height. I think it also helps to define what average is. What do you consider to be an average male and female?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 05:22 PM
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Yea my friend is also 6'3" but he'll admit himself he's unattractive, overweight, has diabetes and he still gets likes and matches and dates off the apps whereas I'm 5'9" and can't get a single like to my profile despite being in amazing shape and having great pictures, prompts, etc. I think most women are filtering out height, whether that's manually or through the paid feature. Those that aren't are really desperate women I'm assuming. I tried Tinder but I got swamped with bot accounts and gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:20 PM
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Sounds good man, just sent you a DM.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:08 PM
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Hmmm. I think unless you're at least 6' tall, it's pointless since you're being filtered out by most women. I've tried dozens of prompts and photos and nothing I do makes any difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:41 PM
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Hmmm, I'd be curious to see your profile, you can take a look at mine if you'd like. I'm paying for the apps and I live in Los Angeles. I have a variety of very eclectic photos, nothing corny or shirtless and I've had no success whatsoever. I'm betting you're at least 6' tall also.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 06:53 AM
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If you're going to niche, why not go extreme I say
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 06:51 AM
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My niche is horseback riding. I ride horses competitively and it's a big feature of my profile among a few other fun hobbies I have (I love to cook, dance, snowboard, etc). I wouldn't say that's generic since it's fairly rare to find a man in the dressage/showjumping world but it hasn't at all helped with online dating, even with women who are equestrians so unless you're the anomaly, I would say most women are swiping on the most handsome men, not the men who share personal tastes. I commend yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:50 AM
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That's funny that you say that because I'm 34 and lost track of how many women on here have told me I'm old and missed out on all the good women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:46 AM
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Interesting. I'm curious, what would you say gives you success on the apps? Is it just looks or do you have something else going for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:55 PM
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Thank you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:47 PM
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I don't think that's what these men are looking for though. The appeal of a virgin isn't that she'll be a little nympho, why would any guy assume that? The appeal is that she hasn't been with other men. I would never expect a virgin to be a slut for me and honestly, the most inexperienced women I've been with were the best women I've been with because they were so open to learning. It didn't matter that she was clumsy in bed. It was pleasurable taking the journey with her to becoming better in b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:47 PM
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Right and it seems like instead of lowering standards, most average women are choosing to stay single (whether or not they're abstinent is another discussion).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:32 PM
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You might be the only logical female in this whole discussion haha. There's a lot of talk here but behavioral data supports what you've said here, not what other women are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:57 PM
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Did you actually have a conversation about this or you two just gradually dropped everyone else and only saw each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:52 PM
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From what I understand, the average woman, whilst attempting to date above average men, will exclude all other men. Average men, while attempting to date above average women, will eventually realize they can't get those women and so try to get with average women but those women won't pay attention to them since they only want to above average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:52 PM
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This. Most of the women I've dated this year who were looking for a serious relationship all were dating multiple men, had fuckboys on the side, etc. so I learned my lesson: date multiple women, have FWBs, etc. I feel like all the people who date one person at a time are the anomalies.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:47 PM
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For sure but that just confirms what I said earlier. I don't mean anything bad by it but if this was a situation where you didn't find the guy attractive and he wasn't confident, this would have never worked out so most guys couldn't pull off what your guy did under those conditions. If this was the average guy who was pouring his heart out to a woman about him having dating problems, no way would he end up with that girl. Your man had attractiveness plus confidence plus not really caring about …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:14 PM
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This is what it boils down to, selecting well, but the whole point is that people can't do that anymore. Society is conditioning people to follow hookup culture throughout their teens and 20s which doesn't at all equip anyone with the skills to select a long-term partner. Unless we assume that most people aren't participating in hookup culture, my bet is that most people don't know who to select for long-term, healthy partners. People are great at selecting people to hook up with, and that's it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:04 PM
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That would be awesome, thank you! Give me a bit to take some screenshots of my profile and I will send you a DM.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 08:54 PM
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Curious, what do you think allows you to have the success you do on the apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 08:48 PM
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I would think that most of the guys on the apps are generic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 08:47 PM
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You honestly might be the exception. I think a lot of this comes down to your age, maturity, attractiveness, options etc. and a lot of it comes down to the nuances of the interaction. Maybe your guy just didn't give two shits about telling you that he was having a hard time. Maybe he didn't care how you'd think of him or even whether or not he'd get with you. So his confidence is what carried him through and ultimately played into you two ending up together. If an average guy was not confident a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 08:45 PM
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So I tried your technique and so far it hasn't worked, no women has responded afterwards. Either you're crazy smooth and seductive with your complement and question or your friend is very attractive and that's why the women are replying in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 08:33 PM
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Why the hell would you assume that?? I've never had an open relationship nor do I want one. Where on earth did that come from? I did wait too long and I'll be the first to admit that. I was broke in my late 20s and decided to focus solely on career for several years to the detriment of everything else (other than my health). Got back to dating for the past year and had I known it was this miserable, I would have made it a point to find someone in my late 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 03:41 PM
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You're completely missing the point. You got LUCKY as you have stated. People throw away the notion of luck without realizing how much it plays a part in life. Given the statistics you mentioned, mathematically, the likelihood of someone finding another is almost impossible, hence why more women don't share your story. You also miss the fact that you found your man at 27. Doubtful you would have had the LUCK to find him at 37 as it gets progressively harder to meet someone past 30. I'm not advoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 03:13 PM
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Hmmm, I've tried that though and it doesn't work but I'll do my best to keep it to that short of an interaction and go from there. I'd still like to see your messages because I follow a very similar pattern of compliment, question, etc. and still get a high ghost rate whether I drop a number or keep the conversation going. I appreciate your feedback, it does help hearing from a woman who actually has gone through the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 06:01 AM
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Because I can offer her a life most men can't. Because I've put insane amounts of time, effort, and energy into building myself up as a man, addressing my flaws, educating myself, taking care of my health/body, making good money, not drinking/smoking, not watching porn, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 05:57 AM
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I've tried different time frames but usually several messages (maybe around 7). The problem is that women take 2-4 days to reply at a time so several messages get dragged on for well over a week even though we really haven't gotten to know each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 05:48 AM
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Because they never were/are going to find that person. It's a pipe dream and it always has been. It's predicated on unrealistic standards that they feel they are entitled to. There is nothing wrong with remaining alone, but there is something wrong when you have unrealistic expectations and holding on to that into perpetuity. It has nothing to do with compatibility, they're passing up on many guys whom they are very much compatible with, those guys just aren't "good enough". For whatever it's wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:28 PM
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I agree and it gets addicting going from one guy to another in the sense that it is sexual validation, even if they are getting dogged out. Like you said, they go in with some instability and it just snowballs and it unfortunately leads to more and more extreme sexual encounters. I've kissed women who barely knew how to kiss, let alone give a blowjob. I had to literally instruct them on how to use their mouth/tounge, how to move their hips, how to get into a certain positions. Experienced women …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:14 PM
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It's all one big lie at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:49 PM
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Yea it's weird. In general, most women seem to think that most other women are not promiscuous. I think women are far more promiscuous than most other women think, they just hide it very well since they don't want to be judged by fellow women as you eluded to. But as a man, that stuff comes out and you see all the shit women do. Hence why at this point in my life, I'd be shocked to meet a woman past 30yo who wasn't in double digits. I truly believe that is the norm despite all the statistics peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:11 PM
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These are all great indicators and you're right, there is a degree of instinct/cunning to this. I think many of these things can be hidden to a degree though. Women lie about body count so asking if they've had FWB or on-night-stands doesn't work, you have to go about it another way. I've seen women clean out their social media when they think they've found a guy they want to settle down with and the most promiscuous women I know have very little social media presence. The male friends is a good…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 08:36 PM
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What made you change?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 08:07 PM
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I'm not saying everyone should be attractive. I'm saying everyone can take steps to make themselves more attractive in their own right and most people are too lazy to do that. Dress better, take better care of your health, take care of your skin, etc. All that makes you more attractive to whatever degree it does so. I've never seen anyone argue what it is you're arguing here, it's astounding.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 08:07 PM
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If you go from overweight to athletic, you will definitely look more attractive, man or woman. How you can argue that is beyond me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 08:01 PM
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Never said this was women using men. Where did you get that conclusion and what studies are you referring to? You just proved my point that men need women and women need men for at least one thing, such as buying a home. I own a home and make more money than probably any woman I'm ever going to meet. Among many other things, I'm left to wonder what a woman can offer me giving everything I bring to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:50 PM
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You explained a symptom, not a cause. A woman who is being bed by other men and not you doesn't respect you which then causes the lack of trust and access to her body.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:47 PM
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Never saw this as a red flag. I originally thought it was a male problem but many of the women I dated this year told me they have no friends so it's something common amongst both men and women and usually for similar reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:45 PM
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I like what you're saying here but I also know that as a man, just seeking to create an emotional connection with a woman without romantic interest leads straight to friendzone. It is a very delicate balance that I think most women don't appreciate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:41 PM
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What would you say is the issue then? Specifically for the normal, above average people. Certainly they'd be able to secure a relationship but they haven't yet. I agree with you that MOST might be a strong word but it begs the questions as to what is the problem. Regarding being average, that is a major issue since what is now average is historically abysmal. I think the average weight of the average American woman is 165lbs, the heaviest at any point in history. We're also at a point where porn…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:34 PM
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This is absolutely a huge problem. At this point, many men and women are socially inpet. It's no longer a one-sided issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:24 PM
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As opposed to realizing that they aren't going to secure this mythical "one" they've been brainwashed into believing they will get.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:22 PM
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No, I'm saying men and women are having unrealistic standards/expectations of who they want. You have overweight women well into their 30s who want a man who makes good money, looks good, etc. You have slobs of men bumming it on their parents couches who want Insta/OnlyFans models. Neither group is willing to better themselves and make themselves more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:21 PM
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Matchmakers cost many thousands of dollars with no guarantee of ending up in a relationship. I agree that it is possible that it could work but it prices out most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:15 PM
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I lost track of how many women I've dated this year who desperately needed a man for many things: financial support, friendship/companionship, emotional support, etc. This whole idea that men need women more than women need men is absolutely insane. I'm dating a doctor right now with her own practice who is barely making rent after her student loans. She wants companionship, friendship, someone to travel with, someone to start a family with, and she told me she'd never be able to buy a home with…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:14 PM
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Please tell me where these women with low body counts are. By the time most women get to 30, they will have racked up well into double digits.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:55 PM
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I'd love to see what is is you're doing because I get ghosted ASAP as soon as I try to move things to an actual date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:39 PM
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After what I've seen from women here, I'd take that any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:26 PM
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Everyone has problems, that's the problem. Although not all problems are created equal. I'd rather take the super religion republican OC girl than the crazy ex-party slut LA girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:11 PM
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If super religious republicans equates to women who haven't fucked through their teens and 20s and well into their 30s, then it might be worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:07 PM
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Everyone tells me to go to OC but it's hard to relocate unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:02 PM
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I don't think women from 16-26 are completely relationship-averse. But any woman between the ages of 16-30+ who finds herself single for a good chunk of time during those years will most likely have gone through a ho phase and I think it's impossible to argue that. And given that many women are increasingly single well into their 30s, my assumption based on my observations and experiences with dating is that most women will have passed through a such a phase. As you eluded to, the middle-age sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:01 PM
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Maybe but it's still a very small pool of people. How is 2,000 participants a representation of a country of many millions? And with the other study, extrapolating data from one month is absurd. For any of this data to be legitimate, you'd need to conduct this survey with tens of thousands of people from teens into 30s. I've yet to see any survey that did this. Just asking a couple thousand people how many partners they've had over the course of a few years doesn't reveal anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:51 PM
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It's the unreasonable expectations and an overall laziness to improve oneself, make oneself more attractive, and putting oneself out there. That shit is hard and most people (men and women) aren't willing to do all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:29 PM
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Yea but if you read the article, it states a large chunk of people lied so I have no idea how anyone can use this data and claim those numbers are accurate. 41.3 percent of men and 32.6 percent of women admitted to lying about their sexual history. Those are large numbers in what is an otherwise very small pool of participants (2,000). Maybe your second paragraph is true but again, it's impossible to prove. And if we're going by observation, we're going to get different conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:27 PM
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I agree with some of the things you're saying. Yes, the problem of sex in marriage is usually an additive confluence of factors that ultimately leads to a lack of attraction, it doesn't start out as that. A woman who loses respect for her man and withholds sex probably started that chain of events years prior, she just didn't suddenly turn it off. That said, it seems a lot of what you're saying is based on observation/experience as is mine. I personally know MANY women who have openly admitted g…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:22 PM
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I'm in Los Angeles and it sucks just as bad. More people just wanting to fuck around well into their 30s, men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:26 PM
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This is a phenomena of both sexes. I can say the same about many women I've dated who think they "have time" and are holding out for the "one" well into their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:25 PM
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Fair enough, what makes you say that though? Not trying to be an asshole or anything, just wondering what your perspective it and how you reached that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:22 PM
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I agree, I'm not saying women aren't attracted to their husbands. They are, just not in the way they're attracted to men in their "ho phase" when they're freely sleeping around. They will shut down their "dirty little slut" persona when they are with their husbands because they don't want to be seen as that. They'll gladly be that girl with a guy from their past or a guy they perceive as a boytoy. The husband gets to see her as the "good girl" only.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:19 PM
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Okay but what makes you say that? Observation? What data, other than self-reported information, actually shows that most women don't engage in casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:08 PM
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They sure as hell weren't doing threesomes and orgies together.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:07 PM
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I don't think a woman agreeing with me would be settling
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:06 PM
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What makes you say that it's an overstatement with regards to women being into casual sex? Isn't that the norm at this point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:18 AM
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I don't think the data for the n-counts is anything substantial. Isn't it self-reported data from a very small pool of people?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:16 AM
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I've known women do crazy sexual things with guys in their past and who now don't have sex with their husbands. This is a very common phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:13 AM
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I'm curious as to why you think it's a minority? As in, is there anything other than observation that would make you back that statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:11 AM
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I definitely think what you described is going on. Throw in dating apps and you the subversion of relationships and the "the is someone out there better/hotter" phenomenon.
/r/seduction27/08/24 09:23 PM
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I think this applies to anything in life. Women aren't doing this for our benefit, they're doing it 100% for their benefit. As a man, as in all things, you adapt or die. So does game make you a better man? Absolutely. Is it because women genuinely have a vested interest in making you a better man? Hell no.
/r/seduction27/08/24 05:53 PM
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How did you do this specifically? You just meditate everyday and visualize that you're great with women?
/r/seduction26/08/24 09:32 PM
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I knew a guy like that in high school as well. Really chubby guy, looked like a slob, but he got with some of the hottest girls, many of them younger than him.
/r/seduction26/08/24 09:09 PM
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I think I get what you're saying. Essentially you have to be 100% okay with losing the girl from the second you see her and all the way through the relationship. I guess my issue is that I'm looking at these attractive girls in such a way that I'm concerned with losing them compared with the girls I don't find attractive where I could care less whether I didn't see them again, if they walked away, rejected me, etc. It's still a mind fuck though, how to treat both categories the same mentally, ev…
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:53 PM
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Where are you finding these lairs/seduction clubs?
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:38 PM
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What did you do to get over this?
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:28 PM
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Agree completely and I don't think chivalry is dead at all. I just think it's not as common since many men have checked out of dating altogether and/or do stupid shit just to get with women and then toss out things like chivalry. Like anything though, it's how you say/do something and the energy you have behind it that makes it resonate.
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:23 PM
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I get what you're saying man but I think what you're also saying requires major mental shifts, you can't just flip a switch. You said that to make a woman feel good, you've got to make yourself feel good first. I would say that that requires building your life and yourself as a man and getting to a point where you love yourself and have a high sense of self-worth/esteem. Speaking confident and manly also takes work especially if the issue is anxiety around attractive women. I'm not trying to be …
/r/seduction26/08/24 05:38 PM
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Hmmm, interesting. It doesn't register like that for me unfortunately. I ride horses competitively and have survived things that would have left most people paralyzed. I rode and taught motorcycle riding for years, I was a snowboarder for several seasons, rock climbed throughout college. I still find myself chasing women and can't embody that effortlessness you speak of. I'm no incel, I'm getting women and having sex, but they're not the women I want because those are usually the women I'm putti…
/r/seduction26/08/24 12:41 AM
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I usually have no problem physically approaching/starting a conversation. It's what is going on internally that isn't calibrated correctly. Internally I'm not loose and relaxed and laid back if it's an attractive woman. I'm pressuring myself to make her laugh, say something witty, etc. and that is really screwing me up. I think externally I can keep it together, I don't stutter by any means and can very easily hold a conversation but at best I come across as friendly rather than a guy who is cha…
/r/seduction26/08/24 12:34 AM
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I think I get what you're saying but in that case, I would suspect that that priority needs to be something massive, like your purpose in life. It's not enough to just have a bunch of hobbies, a great job, friends, etc. Like you would need to be pursuing something so profound that it makes the pursuit of women or women in general to be trivial.
/r/seduction24/08/24 10:44 PM
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How do you suggest you find these lairs? I'm assuming, like anything, only a few are legit.
/r/seduction24/08/24 09:48 PM
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I think you have enough women to keep lust out of it. If you've got a full life and no women, you're still at a disadvantage in terms of the pursuit of women
/r/seduction24/08/24 09:48 PM
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Good stuff man, I learned the hard way and I'm still learning (at 34) unfortunately. I wouldn't say I've got the inner game you speak of. It takes work to get to that state, especially when you've had to be serious your whole life. Not giving a fuck, developing an overall fun/playful/flirtatious vibe, etc.
/r/seduction23/08/24 10:10 PM
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I get what you're saying man but it's not so easy for many guys to just relax, be care free, and have fun around attractive women. I assume this was a state that you achieved fairly early on in life? A lot of it comes down to upbringing, traumatic experiences, one has faced in life, when you learned about dating (sooner vs. later), etc.
/r/seduction23/08/24 09:51 PM
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How did you become content with who you are?
/r/seduction23/08/24 09:16 PM
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Hmmm, interesting. So then we're fundamentally talking about self-worth/esteem. A man who is internally strong gets that from a profound sense of self-worth/esteem. But then that goes full circle: if your lack of success with women is weighing on your self-worth/esteem, how do you get out of that rut? It's a negative feedback loop. The answer is obviously don't base your sense of self-worth/esteem on success with women but that is easier said than done.
/r/seduction23/08/24 09:16 PM
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I'm in LA so if you can refer me to Juggler, I'd be happy to work with him. I'm in the same boat as you. Immunity to rejection will only get you so far. It is one ingredient in a recipe. What I've observed with guys who are good with women is that they treat all women the same, a 4/10 and a 10/10 are the same. They also are just all around playful and lighthearted. You need a playful, non-serious vibe about you in general, not just with women. Get serious in life where/when you need it (in doses…
/r/seduction23/08/24 09:11 PM
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It's definitely hard to switch that off, especially if that is how you've approached much of life from a young age and had success in other endeavors by being this way. I'm dealing with this right now and had to grind/suffer through so much from a young age. Now I'm crazy intense and it's my default state but it's backfiring badly with women. I need to learn to not exert effort with women but it's not so easy to just switch it off.
/r/seduction22/08/24 08:26 PM
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I'm not sure about this. Many guys who crush it with women are often fairly average. Maybe they've got a solid frame regarding women, but most of their life isn't solid by any means. I think it's wrong to just tell guys to go and build their entire life and not focus on women. On some level, you need to learn to communicate with women, be flirtatious and social, etc and if you ignore that, you're at a massive disadvantage no matter how much you're solid in all other areas of life.
/r/seduction22/08/24 08:25 PM
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Absolutely. It's a skill and like any skill, you've got to make tweaks if you're practicing the skill incorrectly. Otherwise you don't get anywhere. I think for me, the sticking point is the mental aspect whilst you're going through the growing pains. It's hard not to get into a scarcity mindset, thinking you're not good enough, not attractive enough, taking the rejections personally, etc. The psychological aspect of it is the hardest part in my opinion.
/r/seduction21/08/24 09:04 PM
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Very well said man, you've answered my question. I guess it really does take hundreds, if not thousands, or rejections which is why most guys quit after a few dozen.
/r/seduction20/08/24 10:39 PM
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Yup, I'm going deep with a lot of classes and going to the clubs with my teacher. Fortunately, most of the women I dance with are very nice and they all give me tips on how to get better so I'll get good in time.
/r/seduction20/08/24 10:29 PM
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I get that and it all makes sense. The issue is the lead-up to all of this. It's easy when you're getting the 9s and 10s to feel like you're an invincible prize but what do you do before you have all of that? That's the hard part because it is a mind fuck, especially when you're going from rejection to rejection. How and where are you meeting all these women? I'm assuming you've got great game if they're that into you. How did you get started in the beginning before you were pulling women like t…
/r/seduction19/08/24 10:34 PM
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So you just have to beast through the rejections, no matter how plentiful they are, until you started fucking the hotties?
/r/seduction19/08/24 09:15 PM
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Been taking dance classes for about 4 months now and I can't wait until I actually get good enough. I'm still a newbie and it's frustrating watching all the pro guys crushing it with women just because they can dance.
/r/seduction19/08/24 09:08 PM
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This, period. The amount of garbage that is fed to men about this is crazy. A man needs to have options. This is where his power comes from.
/r/seduction19/08/24 06:20 PM
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Thanks man, I appreciate all the advice and support.
/r/seduction17/08/24 05:24 AM
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I mean I'm not a fan of LA by any stretch. I'd love to come to NYC, haven't been since I was a kid. Definitely not easy finding high class here haha.
/r/seduction15/08/24 10:17 PM
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Most definitely. I feel like I've tried the most complicated things but I've never stopped to simply try talking to myself more kindly. I shall do my best from this point to do so.
/r/seduction15/08/24 09:51 PM
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Some good stuff man, thank you. Definitely things to think about and certainly learning to see the value in myself is something I need to dedicate much introspection to.
/r/seduction15/08/24 09:49 PM
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Some good stuff man, thank you. I'm in a weird place right now because I've had lots of sex this year so on the one hand, I know what meaningless sex feels like and I'd much prefer sex with one woman that I'm crazy about. But on the other hand, I'm still not having sex with the kinds of women I want. So I'm wanting to get good at game to finally have lots of sex with those kinds of women, but I suspect that I will end up at the same conclusion you did (and kind of where I already am). But like y…
/r/seduction15/08/24 07:54 PM
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Thanks man, I appreciate the resources. So much of our success comes down to how we're talking to ourselves on a daily basis and I'm very unkind to myself.
/r/seduction15/08/24 07:22 PM
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Thanks for the advice man. I probably am closer thank I think I am, I'm just not giving myself permission to be that guy and/or believe it as you said. I think I've spent so many years of my life in doubt regarding this issue, it's now my default state and seeing any other reality is hard even though I can get glimpses every now and then so I know it's not exactly impossible. It's definitely a case of conditioning and reprogramming. I will watch Bartek socials for sure!
/r/seduction15/08/24 06:28 PM
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I live in Los Angeles, is that comparable?
/r/seduction15/08/24 05:41 PM
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I love Californication!
/r/seduction15/08/24 05:40 PM
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Very true. At some point, the external behavior is what allows you to change the internal state so I suppose it's just a matter of getting some wins under your belt and getting the momentum from those to convince you that you can do it, which then feeds into your internal game. I agree with the last sentence but when I really think about that, I feel like I'm only with women for the sexual component. If I get most of my needs met from family, friends, life, etc. then what need (other than sex) c…
/r/seduction15/08/24 05:38 PM
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Awesome life story man, definitely seems like you went on quite a journey and had some profound realizations along the way.
/r/seduction15/08/24 05:27 PM
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Good point. I think I meant that as I like being sociable, I'm rarely at home and I make it a point to go out almost every night. I definitely need more practice but I'd love a coach just in case. I would say I'm definitely experimenting and taking shots but with a high rejection rate and sometimes I do let the losses weigh on me so I need to work on that for sure.
/r/seduction15/08/24 04:06 PM
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In short I think instead of learning tricks one should work on removing certain thoughts, insecurities, blockages etc and just be yourself and accept some people will love you and others won’t. I'm working on this for sure but it's hard and a big reason why is many of the thoughts/insecurities/blockages are tied to success (or lack thereof) with women. It's like a negative feedback loop that I can't break. I do and have done much internal work but I still can't seem to uncouple this.
/r/seduction15/08/24 03:57 PM
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Cheers man, great to hear someone crushing it in their 40s!
/r/seduction15/08/24 03:48 PM
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Yes but HOW did you do that? You just woke up one day and started giving less of a fuck across the board? And you managed to maintain this state daily/weekly/monthly?
/r/seduction15/08/24 03:48 PM
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Being with someone whom I find physically attractive. Many women I've been with I either found unattractive or neutral. I found it wasn't pleasant in the long term; I knew I wasn't genuinely attracted to these women and couldn't understand why I was with them if I wasn't, I was just going through the motions sexually I guess but it just didn't feel good overall, like something was missing.
/r/seduction15/08/24 03:43 PM
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You don’t have to be THAT GOOD or a “pretty boy”. All u have to do is exsuit confidence & have a high self-esteem. I was ALWAYS doubting myself, always talking myself out of situations etc. Definitely some issues I can relate to. I'm working through the self-worth/esteem stuff and have been but it's an arduous process and part of it is because I based my self-worth/esteem on my success with women which isn't good. Uncoupling that before I start having success seems like a Herculean effort.
/r/seduction15/08/24 03:39 PM
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Exactly. There has to be a specific way to do this. The guys how have an abundance of these types of women treat them all the same but I guess it's the abundance and the skill of knowing how to get these women that allows them that perspective. How to have that perspective when first starting out is hard.
/r/seduction15/08/24 03:30 PM
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This is a great post, thank you. It really is that simple and part of the reason why it's so frustrating is that I have the answer staring at me in the face but I just can't tweak my mind to execute what I do with Suzi the Cave Troll on Jenny the Hottie. It's such a mind fuck. But you've put it in a great way that really helps in seeing the issue, thank you.
/r/seduction15/08/24 07:47 AM
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Some great advice, thank you!
/r/seduction15/08/24 07:44 AM
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Very well said. I guess it really is simply practice with respect to treating all women the same in terms of attraction. It's fucking hard in the moment because your brain goes crazy.
/r/seduction15/08/24 07:43 AM
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Thanks for the advice good sir. You definitely hit the nail on the head with the 3 things I need to work on and I'm starting a Todd V bootcamp next month but depending upon how it goes, I might need something more consistent rather than just a one-off experience. I'll start looking for coaches here in LA.
/r/seduction15/08/24 07:40 AM
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I think what you're saying is great but you've reached an internal state that is producing your success with women. You simply just don't care and as a result, you can say whatever the hell you want, spike emotion, be absurd, have fun, etc. I think the issue is for guys who don't have that core "I don't care" vibe. How does one cultivate it, especially if you're not getting women in the first place? Seems like you went through some rough shit which then caused you to drop all fucks across the bo…
/r/seduction14/08/24 08:28 PM
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Where would one go to find these seducers? I don't think they'd be okay just taking a random person with them free of charge to teach them how to seduce.
/r/seduction14/08/24 07:52 PM
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Yea but how does one do that? If you can even have lots of options and still come across as unselected because you can't convey abundance, how do you convey abundance in that scenario? I get the outcome independence and how it works, but how do you trick your mind into that if it's not your default state? It's easy to be outcome independent with a 2, but how to do so with a 9?
/r/seduction14/08/24 07:32 PM
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What/how is the psychological process of being able to leverage it?
/r/seduction13/08/24 06:31 PM
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Absolutely. I guess it just feels like it's the norm nowadays with most people practicing some kind of self-deception/delusion/dishonesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 06:27 PM
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Okay. Dating app data completely disagrees with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 05:48 PM
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Hmmm, very interesting. I agree with what you're saying but isn't that a form of delusion then? You're perpetually lying to yourself and then feeding into an ideology that just wants to pit men against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 08:17 PM
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No, I mean no past trauma, abuse, baggage, etc. I think people genuinely don't know what being submissive means but that is a whole other topic of conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 07:56 PM
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Hmm, maybe. Let me know your thoughts on this: I think it's implicit in the idea being sold to women to hold on and wait indefinitely for the "one". How does one explain attractive women well into their 30s who are genuinely looking for a relationship but claim that they can't find a good man? Out of your pick of hundreds, if not thousands, of men, you haven't been able to find ONE after searching for several years? My assumption is that all these women are looking for a certain type of guy, mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 07:55 PM
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It's funny how a man can say I want a mentally and physically healthy woman and that is seen as having high standards but when women say they want a 6'+ 6-figure man it's seen as totally normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 06:41 PM
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That's the problem though. How do you navigate the stage before you're getting pussy?
/r/seduction06/08/24 10:11 PM
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Very interesting and very true. Crazy how all of this really is all in your head.
/r/seduction02/08/24 10:58 PM
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What's the rule of 3? Many men have zero options, very few options, or sub-optimal options so the only way forward is to fake it but that is really hard since as you've eluded to, it's in your tone/vibe/state of being. The other option you mentioned is interesting.
/r/seduction02/08/24 09:13 PM
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I get what you're saying with this but it boils down to "fake it till you make it" which is far easier than done. How did you push through the self-doubt that your brain triggers when you were acting like you had dozens of women but actually didn't?
/r/seduction02/08/24 07:21 PM
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Hmmm, okay. I'm about his same stature but I'm 34 and trying to find someone younger. I guess it really boils down to confidence and communication skills.
/r/seduction31/07/24 04:43 PM
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Tall, good looking guy I'm assuming?
/r/seduction31/07/24 04:19 PM
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I'm 34 and in the same boat as you and I agree, the late 20s women are very hard to find. The best ones are married/taken unfortunately.
/r/seduction31/07/24 04:19 PM
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Better than being single at 34 and sifting through the garbage of dating today to find a spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:54 PM
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You're lucky you married your HS sweetheart
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:37 PM
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Last two women I dated off the apps. First one was sex on the second date and second was sex on the first date. Both were very inexperienced also and were not looking for casual sex so I was shocked how both so easily gave up sex. I genuinely think most women are doing this. Both these women were 31.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 05:40 AM
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I'm genuinely curious how many women actually employ this vetting strategy though? From what I understand, sex on the first/second date is very much the norm. It doesn't seem like there are many women out there withholding sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:49 PM
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Show me these women because honestly, I see the exact opposite. Maybe you've seen and interacted with them, and I'm not saying you're being dishonest, but clearly your experience has been different than mine. And I wouldn't say past druggies and overweight women who got their shit together past 30 as quality women. Why bring men up? Why does this always boil down to some sort of competition between the sexes all over again? That said, it just proves the point then, the majority of people, men an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 06:27 PM
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I think what you're seeing is a phenomenon of life experience intersecting with red pill principles which makes it seem like we're all subscribing to the same dogma when in reality our lives simply led us to the same conclusions. These conclusions were things happening all along but when you combine life experience and learning to see the world objectively, you notice certain patterns. I don't know of a single woman past the age of 30 who is in every way better than she was in her 20s. The excep…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 06:07 PM
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Yes, I'm one of them. I live in Los Angeles, do very well for myself (probably top 5% of income earners), take amazing care of my health/body, well educated, amazing hobbies, etc. I've had professional photos taken, have many photos of me on horseback, snowboarding, etc. I've spent the past 6 months on Hinge and Bumble and had a total of 5 likes across both apps, all but one being very overweight women. After showing my profile to dozens of men and women, the consensus is that most LA women want…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:23 PM
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That's hard to answer and I also think it's highly dependent upon location as well. I would assume many men don't put much effort into their profiles but many also do and barely get any matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:48 PM
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I agree with you but I don't think this is going to change any time soon. If anything, I see it only getting worse and I believe the source of it, or at least the magnifier, is the online world and social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:13 AM
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I think what you're describing is clearly a result of the times, a lot of it having to do with hypersexualization. If men can't be in groups with women because it all falls apart due to them essentially sexually pursuing the women (creepy or otherwise) and if society is encouraging the degeneracy of women through promiscuity, then what is the answer? OLD and social media only makes things worse. I've also lost track of how many women complain to me about men never approaching them so it's not li…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:05 PM
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I do get what you're saying. A lot of those guys don't want anything serious with said women. At most they just want sex. I still think, all things being equal, having options (even if 99.9% of them are garbage) is better than having 0 options.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 10:10 PM
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I figured it was the only decent thing to do. I like to think I'm a sympathetic guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 10:03 PM
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According to her: "Some men just want something casual, some would make good husbands but not good fathers and some would make good fathers but not good husbands." Clearly she's being picky which she feels she can be given that she has enough suitors. The point remains, she still has numbers to choose from regardless of her pickiness. I know many men who swipe right with no regard for anything and still not get any matches/likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 09:54 PM
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My knickers are quite loose, I'm actually naked so no knickers were harmed during this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 09:46 PM
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I say the exact same thing to you, hence why I keep repeating myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 09:40 PM
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Maybe they can but that doesn't change the fact that given the right guy, they will be promiscuous. The most attractive women I knew where having sex throughout middle school and this was over 20 years ago. It's way worse now. Women might get the ick but that's irrelevant. As long as there are guys who are good with women from a young enough age will feed into women's promiscuity along with everything else that encourage female promiscuity. Some of these women have issues, sure, but most are jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 09:14 PM
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Hmmm. I don't think that necessarily translates into women being less promiscuous. Women will be promiscuous given the right opportunity/environment with the right guy, period. We're living in a social environment that encourages female promiscuity (go out and have your "hoe phase") and select guys know that and will exploit that. I've seen women do the most insane shit at parties, with guys they're obsessed with, etc. For whatever it's worth, this is largely a Western phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 09:01 PM
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I get what you're saying but statistically, the woman is in a far better position because with those numbers, at some point, she will find someone who is at least decent enough to be with. She might have to compromise, but she'll at least end up with someone given enough time. The man doesn't have that option at all to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 08:58 PM
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I think the crux of the matter is that many men don't have those numbers. I know significantly overweight women getting dozens of likes on their OLD profiles but the same man would get nearly zero. Even if the woman doesn't like any of them, at the very least she has options whereas the equivalent man has none.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 08:12 PM
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Curious, what makes you say that women don't have it as easy and men don't have it as hard?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:01 PM
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I agree but I don't see young women changing their minds. It's exactly the confluence of porn and onlyfans which is being accessed by younger and younger boys which then conditions them to thinking that is how sex really is which in turn causes them to put pressure on women to be like the kind of women they see in porn. Guys are pressuring women to do more extreme things from an earlier age. Are we really trusting women to say no to all these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 06:19 PM
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What exactly is prioritizing themselves? Please give some examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:50 PM
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Nope. Unfortunately we're dealing with a fuckton of disgustingly masculine women. The good ones find their way to men eventually. The rest are miserable and have to justify some sort of bizarre reality for themselves while hating on all the married women. You're misconstruing the word "need". You're boiling it down to basic eating, pooping, drinking which at face value, anyone can do by themselves. People can make money, cook their own food, etc. but on some level all that requires working with …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:52 PM
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You very much can and I've seen it happen. You clearly haven't seen enough women do things with men. Nope, you'd go extinct fairly soon if you didn't have men to procreate with. And raising kids without men is basically resulting in where we are in society today which is masculine women and feminine men so you're doing a lousy job "not needing men" in that department. Every women I know who claims she doesn't need a man is absolutely miserable and uses many tactics to not only lie to herself but…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:57 PM
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Nope, since many women happily do it. I've seen women do the nastiest shit for men they're obsessed with and they'd happily do it over and over. Just because a woman is legally allowed to do something doesn't mean she doesn't need a man. Women can do a lot of things, they will still always need men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:40 PM
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There are many guys out there who can make women do many things they wouldn't do otherwise and/or forbid her to do things and she'll comply with no force required. You'd have to be living under a rock to not have ever seen this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:27 PM
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They really don't see it man but it is hilarious. It's like watching children saying they don't need mom and dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:17 PM
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I think different people simply find different people attractive. Some people might find this girl attractive, others might not. I don't think that says anything about standards. You could probably show me a dozen different women and I doubt we'd agree on most of them. That just means we have different tastes/preferences with respect to what is attractive/unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:33 AM
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I'll compromise on the weight issue to an extent as that can always be worked on. I don't meet many sane 30+ women in the real world either to be honest. Again, most have weight issues and many here are die-hard feminists who hate men. At this point I'd just be happy to meet someone who doesn't weight more than I do (165lbs) and hasn't had her brain washed and melted by social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:30 AM
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Nope. I think women were tragically deluded into false beauty standards by mainstream media. I persoally don't know any guy who likes duck lips on a woman and having a big forehead makes you look like you've got a receding hair line. How is any of that attractive? How is that having high standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 03:00 AM
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This girl is not at all attractive. She's got a giant forehead, the piercings are hideous, and her lips are too big for her face.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:32 AM
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I was raised by a mother with psychological issues alongside two sisters who ultimately developed psychological issues so sanity/insanity is something that I'm very familiar with and something that is crucial to look for. Sadly, even amongst many young women, sanity is hard to find. I know I'm dealing with leftovers sadly and I'd love to find someone in their late 20s but women don't like dating a large age gap, contrary to popular myth. Someone who is 27 wouldn't consider someone who is 34, for…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 11:27 PM
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If I knew it was going to be this hard, I would have started many years ago. Now I feel like I'm running out of time and all the women I'm meeting are the ones with issues (hence why they're still not married). But it's not healthy to think that way since it leads to feeling desperate and frustrated. Can't think of anyone from my past who isn't either married or so overweight that they're barely recognizable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:05 AM
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You sound like someone with great values, props to you. I think the issue isn't so much strangers as it is strangers from online. Hordes of people meet randomly at bars, events, parties, etc and have done so for decades. But meeting strangers from the internet I think is what really screwed everything up. It worked briefly but then when it became a mass movement, it all fell apart. Like you said, it's made it too easy to lie and to be fake and both sexes are guilty of doing so. I'm 34 so I'm not…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:03 AM
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No one has experience in raising a family until you raise a family haha. No experience required. If you're talking sexual experience, the best women are those with the least experience, trust me. Sudden change is always scary and screw what other people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:26 PM
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I don't think it's too late. Keep at it, dating sucks for everyone if you're looking for something other than quick sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 08:32 PM
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Very interesting. I had no clue who he was so I had to use the Google. I would suspect you'd have a hard time with dating not because of the virginity but because the guys you like are least likely to approach women. I have a few nerd friends and they're the most socially awkward people I've met. Not sure if this has been your experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:54 PM
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I wish we had more women like you here :) I'm at a point where dating has left me fairly jaded so I approach women with extreme caution. I really want to get married and have kids but as someone who stands to lose a lot financially if said marriage doesn't work out for one reason or the other, I'm very leery. I don't want to be because it makes meeting women very cumbersome but I also feel like I cannot afford not to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:49 PM
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What has kept you from finding a man? What type of man would you say you're looking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:36 PM
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What has kept you from finding a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:34 PM
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That's great to hear that you've had positive experiences. I think a lot of it has to do with your location but also as you eluded to, your outward appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:31 PM
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Unfortunately you are correct. I think that is because men assume she wasn't celibate at one point so she's holding off sex specifically from him where in the past, she had sex freely with other men and so men take that negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:59 PM
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I'm the same as you. Had plenty of women in my 20s but now in my 30s, have had very little luck even though I'm far superior to who I was in my 20s (make really good money, in excellent shape, have great hobbies, etc). I want someone with traditional values and who takes care of their health/fitness. I don't think that is having high standards nor do I think that is overestimating what I can get as a long term partner. Many people have suggested I leave to another city/state/country.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:22 PM
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We are all from different places across the country/world. I live in Los Angeles where feminism is pervasive and there is a very strong dislike of men and anything masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:24 PM
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Sadly, I know several women who don't want to get married so I'd be leery of just using your personal experience as a projection of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:17 PM
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This. Women don't realize that birth control changed everything and modern dating only accelerated what had already been happening which is the lack of incentive for men to commit. Now that most every woman will have sex before marriage and that many women are getting married in their later years when their youth is no longer at it's peak, mean are seeing less and less incentive to marry. I understand the frustration on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:12 PM
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Can you elaborate on why you think this is what you're experiencing? I'm 34 and wanting to get married. I certainly don't want a 20yo Instagram model but as someone who takes really good care of their health, I want a women who does also but many women are overweight so I find myself passing on many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:06 PM
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This is a weird post. I don't get why someone like Emily needs 10 years and 2 abortions to realize that the guy she is with isn't the right guy. Why do many years have to go by? I agree that it's not necessarily easy to tell whether or not you want to marry someone within the first few/several months but certainly after a few years it should be clear. Depending upon age, if the conversation has been had and the woman has made it clear that it's important to her and factoring in age and any speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 08:58 PM
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Did you just wake up one day and decide you wanted a different life and it all changed or was it something that took a substantial amount of time and effort, failure, trial/error, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:59 PM
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Says the 50% of women past the age of 30 who are single, no husband, no kids so no, most women can't find a man past 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 03:31 AM
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You're lucky to not have to wade through the muck that is dating. Women and men nowadays are lousy, it's shit on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 01:06 AM
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That's sad that not being promiscuous, being in shape, and spending your time on meaningful things is seen as having high standards. So then if these women are dating average guys, what's the problem with all these women not finding men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:35 AM
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And how did you two meet?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:33 AM
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Option 1 doesn't pan out because more and more women are open to casual sex/fwb the more time goes on. These are including women who are looking for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 11:24 PM
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The issue is definitely partying and body count. The issue is also being overweight and being a social media addict. The issue is masculinized women. These are all issues that women present with in today's world. If you're wanting a man of high value who has his shit together, then a low body count, being in shape, being feminine, and not wasting your time on TikTok will get you far. Very few women seem to actually understand all of this. If you're a slut, don't expect men to take you seriously.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 11:22 PM
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Then I'm sorry to say you're eliminating a huge portion of the male population. Those males are also most likely to be a better fit than the ones you're meeting online. Your perspective is absolutely ridiculous and I don't mean that in a hurtful way but it's genuinely tragic to see that this is now how women are thinking and it's no surprise you're getting the results you're getting. For the record, if I met a woman in person and she wanted all the details you listed of me before the first date,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 11:15 PM
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So she has a history of choosing liars, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 11:12 PM
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Yes but the women needs to be just as accountable in that situation. She still can say no at any point but clearly didn't. She still chose the guy. If a woman keeps finding herself pumped and dumped, why isn't she the one at fault? She's choosing these guys, in pesron or online.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:08 PM
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Women can say no at any point but don't. The women happily offering casual sex aren't saying no. Your last sentence is confusing. You're saying women will accept a relationship only if casual sex is available?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:03 PM
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Fair enough but tell me what this chaste, nice 34 year old looks like? I went out on a date with one a few weeks ago. She weighed more than I did, admitted to spending copious amounts of time on Netflix and TikTok, and felt like she had plenty of time to find the "right guy". Why should I look at her, in terms of marriage, any differently than the trashy 34 year old slut? Both clearly don't value themselves, their bodies, their time, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:00 PM
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So then get off online dating. That's what I did. This just sounds like a lot people complaining about something that is clearly not working for them, yet persisting to still use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:55 PM
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It's a data point, not actual data. You can't corroborate anything by random posts on Reddit and online dating is only a slice of the actual dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:51 PM
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It's women who give sex, not men. It's women who allow sex to happen, not men. Enough women are out there giving away casual sex just as much as there are enough men out there who will have casual sex with any woman that can give it. This is a problem on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:50 PM
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They're not because the men who they're fucking only want them for casual sex. This is what women aren't understanding. You're giving casual sex freely to guys who only want you for casual sex. And then when you suddenly want something more and can't find men who want you for something other than casual sex, you get mad. So instead of becoming a woman worth marrying, you all are just checking out? How is that helping guys to see you as more than just casual fucks? I went to a party a few days ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:49 PM
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This isn't a legit scientific experiment haha. There is no control group and no actual person-to-person interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:41 PM
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You misread my post. I know women in their 30s, personally, who are fucking around like crazy on the side whilst they're actively looking for a marriage. I can say the same about women. I want a marriage and kids but the risk just isn't worth the squeeze anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:39 PM
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The men or the women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:36 PM
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Where did you get that data point?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:35 PM
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So what does the data indicate?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:34 PM
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They are, even if just for a specific point in time. Most women have offered casual sex at some point and in doing so, men know that casual sex can be had with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:33 PM
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Meet people in person. Take up hobbies and meet people there. I ride horses competitively, I hike, I hunt, I do beekeeping, I dance, I do volunteer work, I do live improv. There is no shortage of men walking around and most likely you'll meet better quality men in person than online. Honestly, women have to start approaching men at this point as well. The fact is that a massive percentage of men will never approach women anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:33 PM
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Fair enough, I agree with you there. The problem is that there are far more promiscuous women than you think there are, even the ones who claim they're looking for relationships/marriage. The problem you're encountering is happening on both sides. There are MANY women who are happy to engage in casual sex just as much as there are MANY men happy to get their dick wet with any chick they can get. Both are perpetuating the problem. That leave the rest of us on the sidelines who want something othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:30 PM
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I agree with you there. But this now seems the norm for most women so why are they keeping this up? I know women in their 30s looking for a marriage but in the mean time are going through another self-proclaimed hoe phase. It's the hoe phase that women go through that only encourages men to want to treat them as such perpetually.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:26 PM
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The point is, the majority of women have openly given sex to guys at some point. Why should a guy now wait to have sex with her just because now she wants something more serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:18 PM
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This is categorically false. There are many men looking for a relationship but there aren't many women that are relationship/marriage worthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:15 PM
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At some point, most likely 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:13 PM
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But you're the one's who can say "no". If all these women are complaining about casual sex, then why are they offering casual sex to these guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:12 PM
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This exactly. She doesn't get that it's the women are engaging in the casual sex just as much as men. The only difference is the women are choosing who to have casual sex with whereas guys just want to screw whomever.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:10 PM
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Do you have any legit data to back this up? Most women walking around have gone through some hoe phase where they had plenty of casual sex so it's happening on both sides just the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:03 PM
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I highly recommend getting off the apps. They only perpetuate the problem you're highlighting which is casual sex and they make it easy for women to get pumped and dumped unless you're excercising extreme discipline and filtering guys meticulously.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:00 PM
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So, in your opinion, why do women go through a hoe phase if not for male validation?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 02:58 PM
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I thought women wanted to be like men and sleep around like crazy? I've now seen a handful of women off dating apps at parties casually hooking up with random guys and these are women purportedly looking for a relationship. So why is this only a guy issue? The way I see it, women are just as promiscuous, if not more so, than men at this point. The degeneracy is happening on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 02:54 PM
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Very well said man. More men need to internalize this from an early age. Patrice O'Neal was harping about this nearly 20 years ago and now it's at insane levels of stupidity and only getting worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:47 PM
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I will say that you're somehow finding very mature younger women. Most of the young women I interact with (18-23) just want to party and hook up. Nothing wrong with that but sounds like you're finding the rare few who want something serious and mature as opposed to the typical college lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:50 PM
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No clue where on earth you're living but I've yet to see ANY woman who looks as good as she did 18-23 when she's 27+. No way in hell. And I live in LA where women are obsessed with how they look and 99% dwindle rapidly past the age of 23 and never look the same again. There are a very rare few who look good past 27 and those are usually women who were passionate about health/fitness from a younger age and also have good genetics which is statistically a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:49 PM
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That's a contradiction from what you said earlier but I agree, there is less social stigma towards female sexuality today which is evident in the promiscuity of many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:08 PM
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Fair enough. That just proves my point though. If prior generations were under reporting, then current generations are waaaay under reporting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 07:43 PM
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It's behind a paywall so I can't see it but I'm assuming it's the same self-reported data which is known to be inaccurate. In a world where women are increasingly encouraged through every form of media to have sex at a very young age, I highly doubt they're having lower body counts than prior generations. The more attractive they are, the more likely they're to be promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 07:25 PM
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My interest is particularly Millennials since I am one and date other Millennials. So using that demographic, my paragraph above still holds. I'd say starting with Millennial women, that group will have a far higher body count than prior groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 06:53 PM
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I don't think that less frequent sex equates to less sexual partners overall. A woman can start having sex at 12 and only occasionally have sex for a decade and still end up with a high body count. Despite all the "data" showing that people are having less sex, women are far more promiscuous now than before.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 05:52 PM
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I think this post is irrelevant for two reasons and I'll use myself as an example. 1.) I'm 34 and spend probably 200+ hours in the gym annually between weightlifting and swimming. I dress impeccably well because I have a genuine passion for all things sartorial. I stay very well groomed. I'm exceptionally well read, speak multiple languages, highly educated, well traveled. I've played guitar for 12 years and recently started vocal coaching so I can put my music online, I dance, I ride horses com…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 08:58 PM
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The appeal of late 20s women is that they still have youthful qualities of women a bit younger and they're not yet hitting the biological clock as women in their 30s are. I do very well for myself so I just want someone I can provide an awesome life for, travel, have lots of sex with, do fun things, etc. before kids come along and women in their 30s aren't interested in all that, they want the kids very soon. Which is understandable. The problem is that late 20s women I feel like are in the most…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 08:52 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that that was his reply, that is just ridiculous. Any reply would have been better than "I'm too old for that". Anytime I'm in the presence of a young nympho I bring my A-game since I know we're going to have a wild time. The orgy was at a sex party that I go to so I'm not exactly securing hook ups/partners with younger women willy nilly as much as I'd like to (like at bars/clubs). I have no problem securing women in their early 30s although I'd really like a woman in her late …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 07:41 PM
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That's insane. I think you're just meeting the wrong older guys. I'm 34 and did an orgy a month ago and hooked up with 4 different women and they had no problem getting me hard over the course of a few hours. And I loved going down on each of them in between. There is no reason why an older guy shouldn't love going down on a younger woman unless he just doesn't know what he's doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 07:17 PM
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In what span of time? Like you had sex twice in a few hours and then he was done? Was he not going down on you or doing anything in between?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 07:12 PM
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I'm curious as to what you define as keeping up with you? Are you saying that you had sex with these "older men" and they were done for the day after just one session?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 07:01 PM
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I don't know man, you'd have to really show me an example of what you define as attractive. I don't know how you're landing these women but my assumption is that you're a very attractive guy, probably tall, with great game. You're the exception and I bet you're far more attractive looks-wise than you think you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 06:36 PM
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Where/how'd you two meet? It's absolutely possible but I feel like as a man you really need a lot more game than with women around your age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 06:23 PM
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There is a difference between refusing to marry and being reluctant to marry. I'm reluctant to marry but want to. The problem is finding a woman that gives me enough incentive to take on that risk. I think many women in today's society don't understand that and for those of us who are affluent and bachelors are on the sidelines puzzled as to how many women expect to get married when they bring very little to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 06:13 PM
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I think looks maxing is important but not as important as it might seem. I'm 5'9", 170lbs at 12% body fat, take impeccable care of my health, dress very well, stay very well groomed and have been like this for years and it hasn't at all helped with women honestly. I see attractive women every day with scrawny men who dress like shit with horrible grooming. I think the second set (skills/charm/behaviors/status) is far more important yet far harder to possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:30 PM
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Hmmm. Very interesting. In my experience, your last two bullet points are the most important. I've seen men (myself included) get everything else right but still struggle big time with the last two points and still not get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:12 PM
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Very interesting. How did you go from a 5 to a 9? What metrics are you using to quantify that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 08:27 PM
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Yea but this is just one side of it. Not saying you're wrong but I can name many people in my life in the exact same situation that you described, but it's the women who became complacent, inattentive, demeaning, selfish, etc. This happens on both sides. To say that a lot of men become complacent and them implying that it's just a male issue isn't factual in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:56 PM
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I'd have to look into it in more detail. I'm in California so I'm not yet sure what the law is here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:40 PM
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Yes but after living together for a number of years, the laws dictate that you're essentially married.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:02 PM
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I'm 34, fit, wealthy, educated, and crazy disciplined so I got all that down. I have experienced the substantial decline of women I've known since high school/college. The hottest, sexiest girls I knew from my teens/20s are now all so overweight, they're barely recognizable. So I do have that perspective if that is what you're eluding to and yes, it is very profound and that perspective gives you insight on women in general and what to pursue/look for. Correct or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:09 PM
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Where would you recommend one to learn? Good teachers are hard to come by...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 10:09 PM
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Are you saying the percentage of promiscuos women is far smaller than it really is?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:59 PM
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It's a crazy world we live in and I think shallowness factors into this (could be where IQ factors in as well).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:44 PM
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Yea, that's true. I guess there is two layers to this though. Dudes actually doing it and then dudes sharing it across the internet. A girl I know with a pretty solid following (20k) found deep fakes of her pictures nude on the internet and decided to pull all her old content. Since then, she doesn't post anything sexual in any way but the damage is done. I think any women with enough content is in danger of this but most don't seem to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:34 PM
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Exactly. I would assume the issue is that most women like the validation to the extent that they don't care their content can be exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:21 PM
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Of course not. Too many people are treating each other like shit and it's the worst online.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:01 PM
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I'm not, I'm saying that is what OP is suggesting, not me. The whole point of this post is that unattractive guys are starting out creepy right from the get go just because they're unattractive. I'm not saying I agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:50 PM
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Props to you for keeping it conservative on social media. I don't think women realize how much their pictures and videos are used by guys to jerk off, fantasize, etc. It's validation at some point but most women don't seem to care at all about being so exposed on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:41 PM
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Yea but you're getting the attraction first, creepy second. I think what OP is saying that right off the bat, if a less attractive guy approaches you, he's already starting on some level of creepiness just because he isn't attractive, then it's either reinforced creepiness or he turns out to not be creepy. Attractive guy, on the other hand, starts off in a much better place and only is seen as creepy when he dishes out a big dose of creepy. You seem to not give the attractive guy as much leeway …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:32 PM
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Looks definitely give you an advantage. How much is difficult to measure I would assume. A smooth, confident, average looking guy will do far better than a creepy good looking guy. I guess it would really come down to how we're defining looks though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 05:15 PM
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I misread the scenario then. So you're saying it boils down to just looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 03:34 PM
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Yea but that just boils down to men filtering themselves and being afraid of offending women, losing her, etc. Is that all there is to the creep factor or is that just one example?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 03:24 PM
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Cheers man, I'll check it out. I know of Jung but haven't delved deeply in his work. Thinking in terms of abundance is something I've had major issues with for a long time so I'm always looking to get to the source and how to solve this.
/r/seduction05/06/24 10:01 PM
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Very interesting, I appreciate the psychoanalysis. You seem very well versed in this. Did you have go through a rewire yourself or did you study psychology?
/r/seduction04/06/24 03:32 PM
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Curious as to how someone rewires their brain for abundance mindset?
/r/seduction03/06/24 08:39 PM
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I know many people in age-gap relationships. It's not that those people are immature; it's just that they met, had a genuine connection, and it just so happened that they have a large age gap. But it's good to hear you're meeting men your age who have their life together. I've heard complaints from many women about men of all ages so I guess it's not just one age bracket. Definitely don't force it. Go and volunteer for the purpose of actually helping but there is nothing wrong with keeping your …
/r/seduction02/06/24 04:04 PM
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You can definitely meet guys at bars/clubs and I know people from the past met that way all the time. I'm just not sure of the quality of men you'll meet in those places in todays world. I feel like most of them aren't looking for anything serious, but I could be wrong. We're all insecure. Even billionaires are insecure. The most stable people are those that admit it and learn to use their insecurity and are willing to be open about it with others. I think you've got a good idea of the type of g…
/r/seduction01/06/24 04:08 PM
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Think in terms of odds. Your ideal man MIGHT be in a bar/club, but what are the ODDS? I would say go where you're most likely to find that type of man and you'd have a better chance at running into him. I don't know you and I don't know what type of man you're pursuing so I can't answer as to whether or not you deserve such a man, I just was posing those questions to you to have you really think clearly about what it is you want. Many people are delusional nowadays due to social media and expect…
/r/seduction31/05/24 10:40 PM
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I shut down in my late 20s to focus on career and then only recently got into the casual dating/sex/game but as you've said, it's tiring doing all this dating and the random sex is really not all it's cracked up to be. Luck is definitely involved which is a bit scary since today, more than ever, it's hard to meet people worth a long-term commitment. So there is always going to be risk.
/r/seduction31/05/24 09:21 PM
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I think what you're describing is really nuanced communication skills that can only be worked on through experience and study. You also have to become a student of body language. I've been doing improv for a while now and it has really helped me across the board with all things related to communication so I highly recommend it if you're serious about getting good at all of this. To give guys an "okay" to approach you, just smile and hold eye contact. It really is that simple. Hell, even wave hel…
/r/seduction31/05/24 09:07 PM
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Fair enough but if that is your final assessment, you and your female friends are absolutely dating the wrong men. "Pick up" is mostly bs. There is a difference between approaching a person under the premise of romance, talking with them, building rapport, attraction, etc. vs. "picking up" someone. Here, we're talking about the former, not the latter. Guys who are naturals with women don't "pick up", they're operating on a much deeper level of communication and rapport, hence why they usually ca…
/r/seduction31/05/24 07:32 PM
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I would say most likely yes, just because you're a woman. A man asking you for a cigarette can definitely be his way of approaching but there is always a chance he just wanted a cigarette and isn't into you (if this was indoors and not in the smoking area, I would assume he was into you since you can't smoke indoors anyways). Being smooth takes effort and being relaxed and genuine. It's great that you're asking these questions and I wish more women did just to see how much effort we go through t…
/r/seduction31/05/24 07:02 PM
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Bars/Clubs can be tricky. Unless you're dancing with them, it's really hard not to come off as approaching since everyone is kind of with their own group or solo. You'll just have to be okay with the "cold approach" feel in those settings. At other events, if they're interested, get to know them, ask them about their life, what they enjoy doing. Start touching them, touch their arm or their hand, smile a lot, hold eye contact a lot, keep your body close to theirs, etc.
/r/seduction31/05/24 03:30 PM
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You should be able to naturally have a conversation in these venues without "cold approaching". Any approach is going to be "cold", even just a "hi" until you actually converse so don't think of it as some tactical manuever you have to undergo to speak to a guy. Put yourself near him and you should be able to start a conversation just from something happening in the moment (he grabs you to go dancing or you talk about a game you like at a game night, etc).
/r/seduction31/05/24 05:34 AM
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Gotcha, that makes sense. Thank you for the clarification.
/r/seduction30/05/24 06:45 PM
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Cheers man. I'm 34 and nowhere near your playboy status but I'm in a weird state with regards to women right now. I'm having fun and wanting to fuck around more but a part of me is also getting tired of that and wants to find someone amazing to experience life with and eventually marry. Like you said, there is a lot of material on fucking around but not much on finding a long-term partner and that is just the sad fact of modern dating for both men and women and why relationships and marriages ke…
/r/seduction30/05/24 06:44 PM
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Isn't that happening on some level until enough rapport/attraction is built though? Or are you saying that at some point, she will clearly show she's not attracted and that is when you have to call it quits and move on?
/r/seduction30/05/24 06:09 PM
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Can you expand on what his mindset should be? He's definitely scared which, as you've eluded to, is what is contributing to the lack of success in the interaction.
/r/seduction30/05/24 04:25 PM
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There is definitely not much out there regarding finding a woman who is wife material. I would say clearly define what you value most in a woman you'd want to be with for a long time and be the mother of your kids. Then, think of where such women with these values would be and go there.
/r/seduction30/05/24 04:14 PM
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Can you expand on that? You're saying he has to just be himself?
/r/seduction30/05/24 04:09 PM
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Where are you meeting these people? Regarding your girlfriends, it's getting very rare for men to approach women so what you're describing is possible sadly.
/r/seduction30/05/24 04:06 PM
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It might sound like mumbo jumbo but possibly the energy you're putting out. When you're not wanting to meet people, it's possible you're much more relaxed and open with your body language since you're not even thinking about it. You're just going about your day. Conversely, when you're wanting to be approached, it's possible you're just trying too hard and it's coming across as being strange or closed off in some way. It sounds counter intuitive but I can only view if from the perspective of a m…
/r/seduction30/05/24 04:05 PM
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If it's just sex that is wanted, then its fine, that I understand. Lying is a tactic well known to humankind long before red pill was in existence. Children are masters at lying and manipulation. It doesn't change the fact that women are terrible at vetting men in today's world. Why don't they learn to pick better men is the important issue that women can't seem to answer so I'm asking you, why can't/aren't women learning to choose better?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 06:21 PM
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Wouldn't you agree that women need to just be better at selecting men? I can imagine most women don't like getting "pumped and dumped" but if it's a common occurrence, who is to blame in that situation? Couldn't she have said "no" at any point before sex happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:56 PM
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I never said that the data is all lies. Where did you get that from?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 03:41 AM
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My claims, then, would be anecdotal. How else could we prove this other than observation? I had many female friends throughout college and almost all of them were promiscuous, the more attractive, the more promiscuous they were. Where is your data to prove otherwise? You really believe most women (aside from those in long term relationships) are just celibate for all the years they're single in their teens and 20s?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 06:37 AM
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You've probably got confidence and great game, that is why. It's very much possible if you have those two.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 06:31 PM
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But it's not an equal financial partnership, that's the whole point and that's the problem. The idea that the woman should be compensated based on her trading income potential in order to raise the kids is fair but 50% doesn't justify that, at least not from the government deciding that. It should be an agreement reached by the spouses, not something enforced by government laws which mathematically favor the woman depending upon the financial status of the man. More and more women are prioritizi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 10:00 PM
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What I'm seeing is less women actually leaving their job though. All my female friends are married and working. They took several months off from work (as did the dad) and then after that, it's been nanny/daycare whilst both parents went back to work. The financial aspect is complex because again, it purely depends upon the finances of the man and woman entering into the marriage, You'd really have to crunch the numbers and it's nowhere near as simple as just assuming 50% of post-marriage net wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 09:10 PM
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Biologically yes, financially I don't think so but again, it would depend on the wealth of the man. I don't see why there is any difference between man and woman relationship-wise regarding kids. Kids need both, period. Are you implying that the mother's relationship to her kids is more important than a man's? Why would it be a bigger hit to the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:41 PM
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I would have to look into the laws myself. I can only draw on anecdotal evidence from my own clients (who are wealthy), acquaintances, etc. and I've yet to see the woman walk away worse off. In every instance the man is worse off than he was going into the marriage which makes me think the data on divorces is mostly composed of middle class information. If they looked at only high net worth divorces, I'd be curious if the data would be different. I have a genuine question for you. Do you not fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:06 PM
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But does any of this divorce data actually parse out all this information? I would assume it doesn't and it just generalizes and since most people aren't wealthy, most women might end up worse off after divorce. Prenups are very complicated and from what I understand, they're not bulletproof no matter who they're drawn up by. This is further exacerbated by each state having different laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:43 PM
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I need to dig into the data but I'm curious as to what the socioeconomic status of these divorcees is prior to divorce. I would think that that is quite relevant with respect to the socioeconomic status of each AFTER divorce. Having seen several divorces where the man was wealthy, the woman always got the house and a substantial financial payout so perhaps that is an issue unique to men who are wealthy going into the marriage. I think this issue is a lot more nuanced because the situation of mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:08 PM
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Gotcha. At 5'9", I like my women tiny so I can't really do tall and big. Yea numbers are hard to discuss and I agree with you, this is an entirely different discussion with women and a lot of it has to do with what you stated regarding the numbers in between the extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 09:30 PM
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Not necessarily. How about we round up to 4? I definitely don't think she's average and I'm not like the other guy who only dates 9/10 women, at best I date 6.5s. It comes down to taste. To me she's below average and apparently she's really tall which I don't find attractive especially since it looks like she's a bit thick.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:37 PM
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I didn't even know who this person is but after a quick interwebz search I very much agree she's a 3.5 and looks to be a pretty big woman too. Definitely well below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:30 PM
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Found it, thank you sir!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 07:03 PM
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That's really vague though as what do you define as equal other than being a virgin?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:21 PM
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I'll chime in based on what little research I've read about this. From what I understand, modern dating conditions women to adopt a short-term dating strategy which means they spend their youth having sex with the guys they perceive to be the "best" which usually is centered on looks and in-the-moment status (class president, captain of the football team, etc.). The problem is that when women are ready to settle down and their priorities change, they have a hard time adopting a long-term mating …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:19 PM
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What are the chances that a decently attractive young woman will be unlucky in sex and have a low n count? I'm genuinely curious as to how that scenario even exists in the modern world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:49 PM
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From what I understand, most "sex partner" surveys are all self-reported which isn't exactly accurate data.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 02:50 PM
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Wouldn't you say a substantial amount of college students are heavily into hookup culture? I doubt that comes out to a few percent of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 02:59 PM
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This is very interesting. It seems religious circles are the last places to find trad people, at least in the big cities and even that isn't a guarantee. I know trad people tend to not be in the larger cities and are probably more concentrated around the farming industry for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:14 PM
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Very true, I'm not saying men are any better. Wanting to get married is completely different than rushing into marriage, come on. I want to get married. I don't want to rush into it with someone I barely know and neither should the woman. As such, I'd like to cultivate a relationship with someone for some time before I put a ring on her finger so I can know who this person is and vice versa. I don't have that option with women in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 08:59 PM
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I am aware of that but my experience with women in their 30s hasn't been pleasant. A lot of it goes back to the baggage you spoke of, most are just not in shape, and most want to rush you into a commitment/marriage without barely any time spent knowing each other. Maybe I sound like an asshole but this is what I'm dealing with and it's not fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:19 PM
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I definitely get what you're saying and it is the baggage that I keep running into among other things. And I agree, as one get's older, the more likely you're ending up with leftovers. I accept responsibility for waiting this long to find someone, I prioritized career over everything else and now I'm dealing with this. Ideally I'd love to find someone in their mid twenties but age gap relationships are not very common. I put that up about myself to indicate that my financial life is in order and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:09 PM
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I think your judgment of guys in that age bracket is a bit harsh. 34M here that can provide most women with a life they could never experience on their own or with most guys. I would love to get married but finding marriage-quality women in Los Angeles isn't exactly easy. I made a mistake waiting this long as I prioritized career into my early 30s, but dating here is miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 06:45 PM
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Where do you live and where did you find these women? Are these women attractive and in shape? They openly told you they're virgins? I live in Los Angeles which isn't exactly a city known for conservative women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 08:38 PM
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The problem with all this is that the body count post keeps moving. Lets say you're right in that we shouldn't value virginity. Fair enough. Then how about a woman who has been with less than 5 guys? 10 guys? Those numbers are getting harder and harder to find in modern women. My personal experience indicates that the more men a woman has been with, the more emotional and psychological baggage she comes with. So, speaking for myself, if valuing virginity is too high of a standard, and if it's be…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 08:13 PM
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Fair enough. Then how about a woman who's been with less than 5 guys? That's getting as equally rare as finding a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 08:03 PM
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"Top men want what they define as Top women. They don't exist". That's an interesting point. What do you think those Top Men define as Top Women? I'm assuming it's the 18yo traditionally feminine virgin you've often spoken of which is definitely a unicorn in today's world.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 07:40 PM
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Agreed, the men have to be in just as good, if not better, shape if they want an in-shape woman. And most men are definitely either super scrawny or fat so men aren't doing any better than women but I'm not pursuing men so my focus is on the weight issues of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 09:48 PM
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You'd need to see a picture of me to determine if you think I'm facially attractive but I've got a very defined jawline and get compliments from women all the time. I have a lot of fun in my life and I have a very wide social circle as a result of all my hobbies/passions I've spent many years painstakingly cultivating. I dance competitively, I do improv, I ride horses several time a week, I'm a member of a few very exclusive kink clubs in my city. I also do a lot of charity/volunteer work throug…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 09:36 PM
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That could definitely be true with respect to the metabolism/genetics but even that doesn't seem to be helping younger women nowadays. I see 18-22 year old women that are overweight. It is sad that something as simple as being fit is so rare among women. I spend hundreds of hours in the gym/pool every year. I spend many thousands of dollars on diet/supplements, blood work, PT, chiro, massage therapy, training, etc. I have a profound passion for health and fitness and I expect the same out of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 07:27 PM
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It depends on the man. I'm 34, take impeccable care of my health and physique, own a really nice house, make really good money, well traveled, educated, etc. I've suffered through shit in life that many would have drunk or drugged themselves to death at this point. I have every right to have a high standard for someone I want to marry and have kids with (no, I don't want a 10/10 big boob/big lips/big ass blonde). The age issue of women, in my personal experience, is that past the age of 25, most…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 06:16 PM
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Women have fallen far more in quality than men have. It's not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 06:02 PM
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She kept calling him babe. I don't see any other reason why a girl would call a guy that if she wasn't his girlfriend, or at the very least, someone she's dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 05:02 AM
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You all have this completely backwards is this is the apporach you're taking. The pressure isn't to have kids. The pressure is to find a great man to have kids with. If your priority is to have kids as early as possible, yes you'll feel the pressure and most likely have kids with someone not really fit to have kids with in the first place. If women spent their late teens/early 20s looking for a great man worth marrying, the kid issue would solve itself by the time you got to your late 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:36 PM
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They were way too young to be wealthy, these were two people in their early 20s. Even if he was something else, funny, charming, etc. it all starts with confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:51 PM
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Saw a guy at the gym with an absolutely STUNNING girlfriend. The guy was as tall as her (probably 5'2" max), wore oversized shorts, flip flops, and a Kobe shirt. At best the guy was average, if not below average. She was obsessed with him. It all comes down to confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:45 PM
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In that example, yes, I would believe her haha. But I appreciate the psychology and communication lesson, I get what you're saying. You're a pro man, at 34 I'm still learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 07:19 PM
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The issue is that both sides have expectations of the other and most people don't meet those expectations and so it's a huge point of divisiveness and blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:49 PM
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Haha that's the secret man, I don't think I have what you do. Or I just don't believe most women when it comes to that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:45 PM
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That's interesting that you've found most don't lie about body count. I would think most would lie since they know it's generally looked down upon, at least by men who have their shit together and want to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:30 PM
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Very interesting. So how do you deduce that they had previous one night stands? You just ask them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:21 AM
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How long of a time frame are we talking when you said they made you wait? Or rather, how much time would have to pass to make you consider it something of a good quality? A few dates? A few months?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 09:00 PM
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How do you determine what is a chad leftover in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 09:20 PM
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It's probably bad in most places but it's worse in the big cities. I suspect what you're looking for is more common in more rural areas. Your dealbreakers are fine although as time goes on, it gets harder to find people who will meet all 5. Most people are overweight at this point, men and women, and it's only getting worse. I understand how you're hitting a 90% failure rate with these although I don't think you should compromise on them at all. Where are you meeting all these guys? You should h…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:15 PM
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I live in Los Angeles and there is a dearth of marriage-quality women and I suspect you're seeing the same on the opposite end, a lack of marriage-quality men. I think this is more a phenomenon of the big cities than the smaller ones since we're talking about something more traditional. I'd love more than anything to find a virgin to marry and at 26 your age is fine but it's essentially impossible here in LA. You are correct that there are no guarantees but it just sounds like you're going too l…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:40 PM
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I read through this whole thread and something feels off about what you're claiming. You've gone through the majority of your 20s as a fit virgin and haven't been able to find a man to marry? Assuming you're decently attractive, I find that hard to believe. Where do you live? It also sounds like you're not just filtering guys very well. Someone in your situation should be doing the pumping and dumping, meaning that you should state your intentions from the get go and if after a few months the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 06:15 PM
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Correct, unless the person's age confers some sort of value upon them but that would be a case-by-case basis and not necessarily something you'd apply to the entire demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:49 PM
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I would assume there are, no? I'm sure many 30 year old men WANT to sleep with 20 year old women but the amount that are actually doing it would be miniscule.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 03:04 PM
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Yea I'm just wondering if there is any legit data quantifying any of this. It just seems like another point on contention between the sexes but I'm assuming there is so much variability that it's hard to really tell what's going on. Of these people that choose to be single (men or women), how many of them are unhappy but not willingly admitting it? How many are claiming that they're happy being single but still on dating apps and/or open to meeting someone? How many are single but have people to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 03:57 PM
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Do you think that these women are genuinely happy though? I can't wrap my head around anyone resigning to be alone for the rest of their lives and I know a number of women (going nowhere in life and who despise men) who have committed to being single until death. According to them, all they need is their dogs. There is no way that can lead to happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 09:13 PM
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To the extent that age offers her something that isn't prominent in a younger guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:03 PM
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The grindset can become what prevents you from finding a partner if you’re not putting yourself out there. This is what I did throughout my 20s and I regret it. I missed out and most everything people do in their 20s: hooking up, parties, going out with friends. Now I'm in my early 30s and I want to live it up but it's not nearly as easy as it was a decade ago. And I'd like to be married with kids by the end of my 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:47 PM
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