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Fundamentals MeanSeaworthiness6/r/seduction14/08/24 09:51 PM
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Fundamentals MeanSeaworthiness6/r/seduction18/09/24 07:48 PM
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MeanSeaworthiness6/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 08:40 PM
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Fundamentals MeanSeaworthiness6/r/seduction27/08/24 08:24 PM
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This, exactly lol. Which negates most of what most of the women on this sub say. The fact that men can't understand this is remarkable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:51 PM
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Incredibly vague post. Yes, most men can get a girlfriend just like most women can get sex instantaneously. Doesn't mean those are people worth being in a relationship or having sex with. Women complain all the time about how guys are pathetic, losers, need to step up their game and it's tragic how they don't see how they just described most women. Yes we can get girlfriends but for someone who has his shit together, most women I come across aren't capable of a healthy relationship anymore. Many…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:12 PM
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For whatever it's worth, I have a big house in LA. It's only served to attract golddiggers so I don't think this is a good standard. The guys I know that are crushing it with women are broke and have roommates.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:01 PM
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Most people (men and women) don't have their own place and many are already in their 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:08 AM
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Some good stuff man. You're the only one I've seen who really zooms out and looks at what is going on at a grand scale. Insane how most people (women particularly) can't see what's going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:07 AM
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Don't you see how insane that is though? Men now have to have facial reconstructive surgery just so that the average woman finds them more attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:10 PM
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Hmmm, interesting. All I hear about is women having a constantly revolving door of men (honestly women talk about this more than men do). The idea that you go through long periods of not having sex like many men do is very strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:59 PM
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Interesting. One never hears about this but I also think you and your group might be the exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:28 PM
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I'm replying to your comment above
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:27 PM
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Just the point that women not needing men anymore is the main reason why hordes of men are single. If it is the main reason then we've successfully reduced each other to just sex objects because these same men that aren't needed by women are still getting sex from these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:13 PM
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How would we? I mean you could take the dating app population and say that most of them (men and women) are like that. How much of the national population is on the apps I suppose would give you some sort of a number on how many men and women are like how we are describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:08 PM
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I'm around many women who outwardly hate men, say we're mediocre, not needed, inferior to women, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:12 PM
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I'm curious, for those of you not interested in casual, are you just going through long periods of celibacy when you're not in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:11 PM
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This isn't entirely true though or there is something very wrong with a lot of women. If women don't need men, how do you explain the legions of women who waste years of their lives with abusive men? Many of these women are well into their 30s so you can't use the excuse of "they're young and inexperienced". Most women I know (a lot of them sadly) who walk around outwardly claiming they don't need men are very bitter and miserable women who aren't wanted by men in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:01 PM
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So are you saying personality does or doesn't matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:55 PM
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How do you think they're picking up on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:54 PM
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But you keep perpetuating it though, that's he problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:53 PM
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This isn't entirely true though. How do you explain a man who is sociable and has friends yet still faces a very high rejection rate? Hell, most of the guys who are good with women get rejected all the time. The part of what covid and social media has done to women is always dangerously understated.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:52 PM
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So then this is most of the population at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:45 PM
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Yea but how long can you have that as an excuse? When women in their 30s are doing that whilst also claiming they want something serious, can you still blame inexperience, hormones, being dumb?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:44 PM
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The problem is that women are doing it well into their 30s, most men aren't
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:43 PM
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The problem is that it's taking a lot of women well into their 30s to realize this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:42 PM
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The reality is that there isn't much. For most women, appearance comes down to height and facial structure. You can maximize every physical metric up to that and you've barely moved the needle. This is what women don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:40 PM
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That doesn't count anymore. Once birth control came around and stuff like Plan B, women can't use risk of pregnancy as an excuse and they don't. They're just trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want to have sex like men and rack up a body count and treat sex like it's emotionless but then they also want us to treat sex with them as special and emotional and full of risks for them. Can't have both.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:05 PM
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Very well said. I made it a point to stop coming to any subs that involved men and women, the hatred is just insane. But every once and a while I pop in and you can't help but get sucked in and have to wrench yourself out. Many can't have a civil discussion like you and many can't understand that some of us men really are talking from our own personal experiences. As it pertains to this specific thread, from my own personal experience with women, I've been a man who's gotten sex/women easily at …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 11:26 PM
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Where on earth did you assume I meant all women? Just assumptions on your part which is what this whole sub is about. Again, you're just projecting your perspective on other women and refusing to believe another person's experience. I thought all women weren't the same? Other women celebrate women's promiscuity all the damn time. Just read through this whole sub to see all the women supporting women sleeping around, having a high body count, etc. Men call them out and for good reasons, but women…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:25 PM
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Nope. I've waited to have sex with several women, one woman for two months (never doing that again). When I told her my body count, she thought I would have had much more and told me she thought it was great that men had experience. Unless she was lying, she had been in a few long-term relationships and had a few sex partners and was wanting this to be her last partner, hence why she waits so long. Women are absolutely celebrated for promiscuity, social media addiction, sexualizing themselves, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:12 PM
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We just don't hear about it honestly. I've never had a woman have any issues with my body count and I've even had some very conservative women tell me they like it when a man is very experienced. I think past a certain point, it's problematic for both sexes for sure which is also not talked about. But the main point is that we get attacked for being sex crazed, thinking with the wrong head, porn addicts, etc. when women and doing their own version of that on the daily and it's seen as okay, if n…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:38 PM
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Not you as the commenter, you as women in general. Just like you generalized men as sex crazed. Learn to read, get it together.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:07 PM
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For sure. I think you have to take what's said here with a grain of salt but at the same time I think these are people's experiences so they can't be entirely thrown out and called useless as many people want to (unless we can prove that people are making things up). I think, in general, women expect men to pay for dates. I know many women don't like it when the man doesn't and/or have a negative reaction internally when the topic is eventually brought up. I don't think that's a bad thing necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:58 PM
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A bunch of assumptions and scrambling to label someone you don't even know. No where did I say you talked about a hoe phase. There's a female version of red pill too, and a shame so many of you have had a number done on you as well. Such a shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:45 PM
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That's the whole point. There are a lot of fake people out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:43 PM
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I do, my personal experiences bub. Going out and living life, you should try it bub.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:48 PM
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2007 - 2017 is outdated data. And survey data is notorious for being full of errors. People lie all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:47 PM
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Then you are a minority amongst women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:41 PM
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The majority of women have very high body counts at this point in society. I can personally attest that many women fail the audition of being a wife and a mom
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:40 PM
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This makes no sense. Describe the hordes of women with many double digit body counts, having sex on ONS with no protection, all of the women bragging about their ho phases, etc. None of them took into account any risks, it was all pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:36 PM
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No lol. Tell that to all the women with many dozens of body counts. There were auditioning 50+ guys to be their father of their future children?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:35 PM
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How do women have more to lose?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:34 PM
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Isn't' this also true for women who have been with dozens of men though?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:31 PM
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I plan and pay for every date. I don't expect her to pay. I've been on a date every week night for the last few weeks. I can't speak for the OP but there is some truth in what he says. I've been the guy who was used for wining and dining and waited for sex for a few months ultimately to have her leave and I've been the guy that women have hooked up with immediately whilst talking about making other guys wait. When you see both sides, your perspective on women changes completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:28 PM
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Are you talking romantically or just as a friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:24 PM
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That's the guy she isn't interested in though. You should step into a man's shoes for once.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:21 PM
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You get unlimited access to sex partners and talk about your ho phases all day but we're the ones with the sick sex crazed brain? She's freely giving sex to fuck boys while making the other guys wait. I've been both of those guys and it's shocking what you women pass off as acceptable behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:19 PM
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Seems like you haven't been on Instagram or Tik Tok lately...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:39 PM
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I think it depends on the man & woman. I've been in several scenarios when the woman wanted to "fuck my brains out" after the first or second date. But also many scenarios where that wasn't the case. And regarding the sex obsessed thing. You all don't understand the mixed messages you send men on a society-level. You dress provocatively, post it all over social media whilst dancing like you're a stripper, talk about ho phases, hell I've had conversations with women who have told me they want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:07 PM
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I'm 35, dating women 25-35. Most women I encounter have had dozens of sex partners by the time they reach 30. I agree with your numbers but perhaps this is more location-dependent?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:59 PM
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How do you explain the legions of women who say that they, at first, weren't attracted to their partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:57 PM
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You still don't get it lol. Best of luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:55 PM
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Still not an answer lol. I have tons of data from my personal life. Anecdotal data is superior to faulty data.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:53 PM
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Yes, and? Just because your experience is a minority, doesn't mean it's not valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:52 PM
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That's not an answer lol. You having faulty data in no way proves your point. Other than data taken in questionable ways, how can you prove the average is 4-5? You can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:50 PM
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Other than self-reported surveys which are notorious for being full of errors, what data do you have to prove that the whole 4-5 thing is accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:43 PM
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Who said I said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:42 PM
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100% truth, you're the only one here who gets this...crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:38 PM
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Maybe this is purely anecdotal. Most women where I live have body counts in the dozens. To find a woman with less than 10 for example, is extremely rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:35 PM
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Because many women do it for that reason and many, later on in life, are admitting to doing it for that reason and regretting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:34 PM
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A lot of things you all are lying about nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:33 PM
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Who said it's the only concern? In my experience, the women I've been with who have been with dozens of men were also the most psychologically and emotionally unstable, manipulative, horrible at communicating, etc. Every single one. For me it's a proxy for all around instability. Especially since all of them literally told me the promiscuity and "ho phase" was a response to trauma. So yes, amongst a group of other factors, in MY experience, it's something I would reject a woman for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:32 PM
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The whole 4-5 thing is complete BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:26 PM
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Average for my city for women is dozens. I'd be thrilled to find a woman with 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:24 PM
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Having a low n count woman is extremely beneficial, this is what you all don't get.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:23 PM
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Yea but you and your friends are an extreme minority. The crux of the matter is we're living in a world where women can have as many illogical icks and criticisms of men and it's 100% okay. But as soon as a man starts talking about icks and criticisms of women, we're cancelled, labeled a sexist, mysoginist, etc. This is part of what this thread is about. We don't like high body count women, period. But look at all the women on here criticizing us for saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:21 PM
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Most women have an N count far, far above 3 though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:19 PM
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I can tell you my aversion for it. I have many female friends and the men that they let inside of them...hideous. And not only that, many of these men are outright asshole douchebags. On top of that, based on the experiences of me and my friends, the number of women absolutely okay with you having sex with them with no protection after they just met you is very high. That's just gross and stupid but there are a lot of women like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:56 PM
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You're a very rare specimen
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:51 PM
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So what do you suppose the solution is? Because it sounds like most women will rarely give cues for a man to approach them, most women will rarely if ever do the initiating, approaching, etc. Hell, I've had women overtly display cues of interest (touching, giving me their number, etc) and when I approached them, or went for the number, date, etc. they immediately went cold and ghosted or walked away. Men have no choice but to approach all women they're interested in. The idea that a woman will p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:00 PM
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The point is to show you that your initial perspective on this was not correct in response to the person you were replying to initially. What he pointed out was valid, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't, there is no "approach who you might think will like you". That's all. But glad to see you are of the kind that does support men approaching women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:25 PM
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I agree. But it's nearly impossible to approach based on the premise that she might like you. Prior to the approach, it's a completely unknown how she will respond unless she's displaying those overt signals I mentioned above which, again, is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:05 PM
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I'm curious what you mean by this. Other than overt signals from women such as intense eye contact, her approaching you first, touching, etc (which most women don't do) how are we supposed to know if a girl MIGHT like us before we even approach her?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:58 PM
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"women don’t give them what they want and need in a relationship." Isn't this a problem though? Why wouldn't they be annoyed about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:57 PM
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To answer your first point, yes, it does apply to attractive men as well. I think what I meant by that was perhaps we're all looking at "attractive" people because on some level we want an attractive person and seeing what they're doing and it seems like they're all going for the "best" they can find and so people are applying it to the overall population. To your second point, I have seen men with less attractive women but I agree, it's far less common compared to the opposite which is attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:59 PM
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You are a rare breed of woman, cheers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:41 PM
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Where do you think this comes from though because I don't think this is an imaginary problem?.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:38 PM
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Wow, someone is unhappy. This is why I do my best to just lurk on this sub and not post but occasionally I like to ask questions. You'd think I would have learned my lesson by now but my hope for having a civil conversation seems to take the best of me. Who ever said I thought women were monoliths? Standard damn answer to every question posed on here. Where on earth are you getting all these random assumptions? How do you now I or any other guys hasn't asked the right, specific questions? What a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:00 PM
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I'm curious if this would actually be beneficial though. What else would they say beyond what the majority of women would say (what a lot of women here say)? Be confident, nice, attentive, charismatic, funny, caring, treat me like a person and not an object, dress well, smell good, have a nice body, be passionate about something, etc. That's all great but still, in no way, guarantees you'll attract someone. There are many guys who do all that and still struggle with women and/or can't find a mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:31 PM
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Haha was just going to say this!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:13 PM
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I don't know man, I don't really see this play out in real life. Yes if you're a tall and naturally handsome guy, the world is your oyster as it pertains to women. But if you're not, looks have their limits. A man's look is limited by many things no matter how much he looks maxes so it doesn't really move the needle that much. Height? You're either tall or you're not, nothing you can do about that. I agree you can hit the gym and have a hot bod, but I lost track of how many men I know who are gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:04 PM
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I think when people say that, it's a lot more specific though. It's not that average dudes will never find a woman to be with. Unless I'm understanding it wrong, from what I'm seeing is that statements like that are saying that attractive women are only going for the top 20% of men and as such, those women are largely inaccessible to the majority of men, thus proving hypergamy. Whether or not that is true, I guess would lead us back to this discussion which has been discussed ad nauseum on this …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:49 PM
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I'm curious where you got the last point. Who are these billionaires who met their wives in their 30s?
/r/ExRedPill10/02/25 07:08 PM
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This is what this sub is all about, hence why it's not really credible in any way.
/r/ExRedPill05/02/25 11:39 PM
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Have you been to college?
/r/ExRedPill05/02/25 07:25 AM
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I agree, it's definitely a wide spread issue and it's almost always done as a coping mechanism or escape from trauma/reality but women are the gatekeepers of sex, they can say no at any time and many don't, they're just indulging perpetually with no regard and any pushback gets championed with "If men are doing it then so should we". I keep seeing all these sex stats but from what I understand, it's all self-reported data which is horribly unreliable.
/r/ExRedPill05/02/25 06:49 AM
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It does. Power is very much intertwined in human behavior and nature. This includes relationships. There is always a power dynamic, always. One shouldn't be thinking about it, it just is, and it either occurs at the onset of the relationship or it gets set over time.
/r/ExRedPill05/02/25 06:44 AM
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Myself personally, I'm definitely talking about genuine expression of vulnerability. Maybe the cases I have heard of where the women leave the men as a result of the men being too emotional are cases of emotional dumping, who knows, they didn't exactly specify. They just told me the guy was too emotional. I agree with everything you've said here except one thing: I don't think men are over-masculinizing and women are over-feminizing. If anything, my experience indicates the exact opposite: men h…
/r/ExRedPill05/02/25 06:43 AM
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I never mentioned anything other than human history being about power which has nothing to do with black/white thinking or obsessing about it.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 11:35 PM
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Right, and my answer was backed by MY actual observations from what I'm seeing in reality. I definitely don't think every women is excessively promiscuous but it's absolutely a large portion of women and far more common than people on this sub claim.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 11:33 PM
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Thank you for your detailed response! My understanding was the RP appealed to men not because of unrealistic expectations that they couldn't live up to but rather female behavior that they couldn't understand. I know that's what drew me to it in the past and helped me understand what I was experiencing with the women I was dating. I never felt like I had to live up to anyone's expectations but my own and I still don't. I have my expectations for myself and seek to live up to those every day rega…
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 11:29 PM
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I live in Los Angeles so I can sympathize.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 09:48 PM
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This is purely anecdotal though and how would one actually put a percentage to this? Does one just walk around and ask women how many men they've had sex with? I know from personal experience that you don't always get an honest answer to that question. I know many women who have been with at least a few dozen men just during their "ho phase" (their legitimate words, not mine). I knew many women in high school and college who were doing things you'd see on porn sets.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 09:46 PM
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Life is a game of power. If anyone denies this then they need a crash course in human history.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 09:02 PM
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That's interesting, I never heard those 3 things about RP, I thought it was other things like hypergamy, chads, etc. I think life experience is something to be listened to. I can tell you I've been vulnerable with women, shown emotion, etc. only to have those things used against me later on. I know women definitely want a man with a vibrant social life and status (I've had many women tell me that, verbatim). I lost track of how many women I've heard who claim that they're better than men at ever…
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 08:45 PM
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You have to learn to think for yourself first and foremost and stop blaming online content. Question everything and don't throw things out just because you can't make sense of them. It does sound like you need therapy so find a GOOD therapist which is a difficult process so don't give up.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 08:37 PM
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I don't think this is about misogyny per se but more about your post in general: this is about the very prevalent gender warfare that continues to be stoked between the sexes. Men and women are both suffering at the hands of ideologies that are meant to divide men and women. To think that one side is "innocent" or "right" whilst the other is the victim is incorrect but it's easy because it's very emotionally triggering. Both men and women are being unkind to each other at this point and until th…
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 07:47 PM
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I THINK it's because women are way more vocal about it than men, hence why it SEEMS like women are opting out of relationships to YOLO more so than men are when in reality, it might be roughly equal. This is just my personal experience. I know many women who outwardly don't hesitate to state they don't need a man, they don't want a relationship, and just want to travel, mess around, etc. whereas the men that I know doing this don't really vocally state that during conversations or post about it …
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 05:25 PM
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Like most things, many of the people here have conflated Red Pill with politics and as such, it's now a political issue and so you've got political figures involved (Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Peterson, etc). When that happens, it's hard to have discourse because it's all emotional rhetoric and people go on the attack. You have some good questions and that's the key, keep questioning. Truth is rarely on the extreme end of things, it's somewhere in the middle but I'm not sure you'll get answers here.
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 05:19 PM
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Isn't this the opposite? They milk resources from nice guys and betas while sleeping with chads, no?
/r/seduction15/01/25 08:22 AM
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I'm not sure if getting out of your head is that simple. If you're having internal conflict of "I'm not good enough" or "I'm not sure of myself", etc. I don't it's as simple as just switching it off. How would you recommend to do this?
/r/seduction14/01/25 07:31 PM
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How would one go about feeling like they are good enough?
/r/seduction14/01/25 06:29 PM
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Can you clarify the easy mode concept?
/r/seduction02/01/25 10:56 PM
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I disagree man. Most women I know in their 30s are arrogant, picky as hell, and very shallow. Maybe it's my location (Los Angeles) but women here in their 30s are nothing like you speak of. They've got their jobs and college degrees and think that makes them special, they walk around proclaiming they don't need a man, and they've been told they still have PLENTY of time to find Mr. Right so they've very much still shallow and picky and arrogant.
/r/seduction02/01/25 10:55 PM
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I meant it as you're accepting responsibility in the event that you don't find someone which, at least on the interwebz, is not something most people do. Men blame women and women blame men, but you're taking responsibility and saying it's on you if you don't find someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:44 PM
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So it's not necessarily predicated on what you can see physically?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:43 PM
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I'm curious, what would you define as sexually attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:16 PM
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It's interesting that you're taking responsibility for whether or not you find a good man by a certain time period. Do you think this is what most people do? How do you resist blaming others?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:57 PM
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Interesting. Why should they be happy single, though? Like why is that being pushed on society so strongly? Wouldn't you say that most people are probably better off being with someone than single? And why do you think people settle?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:54 PM
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This has been my experience. Girls are generally very dishonest about their sexual past to the point of where you'll never know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 07:38 PM
2

Truthfully, some of your thoughts are warranted so don't be hard on yourself. Dating in today's world can be a very malicious process. There are many people out there who seek to waste your time, use you, disrespect you, etc. They exist, and if you're actively single and dating, you will come across many of them. Are most people like this? Probably not, but as a man you need learn to trust your instincts and know when someone is not being honest, is cheating, using you, etc. Regarding texting, e…
/r/ExRedPill10/10/24 05:56 PM
1

I wouldn't say I'm a redpiller but I'd be stupid to dismiss it all outright. Redpill helped me understand a substantial amount of female behavior I was encountering in my dating life and still run into to this day. I never accepted it fully, but only saw it as one perspective out of many. Truth is rarely ever at the extremes, it's somewhere in the middle and so I find that it is helpful to take in as many perspectives as one can, question everything, and then nagivate through the world and updat…
/r/ExRedPill07/10/24 10:17 PM
1

Absolutely, but I don't know of anyone who actually does this, it seems like it's mostly internet talk. But it's also not as easy as just be friendly to women and treat them as people. In my experience, all that gets you is a ticket to the friendzone.
/r/seduction01/10/24 09:03 PM
4

I'm curious, in your opinion, how does one do this and not end up being just a friendly guy? I'm not saying don't treat her like a person, but if you just seek to be friendly and get to know a woman, how do you not end up being friend-zoned? Doesn't there have to be some seduction at work?
/r/seduction29/09/24 10:05 PM
10

Very well said man. Far easier said than done but one of the most important things a man can do is uncouple his sense of self-worth/esteem from women.
/r/seduction27/09/24 07:57 PM
1

You're still talking about a minority of women no matter which way you want to look at it. Statistically, the women who age well are those who take care of themselves from an early enough age and/or radically change their life to live healthier before it's too late as well as those who are genetically gifted. What I described is not most women. I wish it was as it would make it a lot easier to find someone but the reality is most women (and men) age fairly poorly and weight gain is the biggest i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 10:27 PM
1

Cheers man, that makes sense. Thank you for the clarification.
/r/seduction20/09/24 07:03 AM
1

Hmmm, maybe. I'd say this guy is pretty good in the sense that he's taking the bootcamp to more refine his game rather than develop from scratch. He's had lots of success with women in the past and we actually bumped into a girl he's currently seeing. I'm just trying to understand how much of this is outside of our control.
/r/seduction19/09/24 06:26 PM
1

But you needed to look good and young and have great charm and game to get the tutor which then preselected you for the younger girl. I don't disagree with what you're saying but I don't think just working on a college campus is guaranteed to get you a young college girl. There must be a lot more to you as a man to generate that attraction.
/r/seduction19/09/24 06:24 PM
1

But isn't all that luck and/or right place/right time? Maybe he was off mood/energy with all the other girls but for whatever reason, he had the "right" energy with the one girl but how much of that is something we can control?
/r/seduction19/09/24 06:23 PM
0

Fair enough, what about all the other girls he bombed with? What was the difference between the one girl that it worked out with vs. all the other women that didn't?
/r/seduction18/09/24 09:56 PM
1

Yea but my 6'3 friend blew it for the whole weekend with at least a dozen other women. Wouldn't you say he got lucky with the one girl? I agree with you that a high level of confidence, social awareness, and charisma is really important and I'm not saying to not cultivate those things. It just seems like at the end of the day, it's a numbers game and much of it is predicated on the girl first being attracted to you and then the rest just being confident and having a conversation.
/r/seduction18/09/24 09:48 PM
1

You misunderstood my whole post so no, I am not wrong. I never said anything about not doing any of the things you've listed. Obviously, do everything you can as a man to build yourself up holistically. But after you've done all that, then what? What is left other than approach women (without any lines or openers) and if she finds you physically attractive, then have a normal conversation with them. That was the point of my whole post. If she doesn't find you attractive, move on and approach ano…
/r/seduction18/09/24 09:26 PM
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I think you got lucky man. From what I understand, the vast majority of women are not at all interested in dating someone that much older than them. You either have to look really good, look younger, and/or have great charm/game.
/r/seduction18/09/24 06:51 PM
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Did not mean to insult you or your taste in men. You said you gave him a chance which sounded like, at least initially, he wasn't your cup-of-tea but something about him made you stick with it and you ended up really loving him. If that wasn't what you implied, I misread, my apologies. Can't speak for other men but I have given plenty of average women with a "great personality" a chance and it always ended up a disaster, so much so that I now refuse to lower my standards. It's simply not worth i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 10:52 PM
1

I'm curious, do you think most women take a chance like you did? Do most women like yourself give an "average" guy a chance frequently?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:46 PM
3

You're in LA? I'd love to meet with you man.
/r/seduction17/09/24 05:12 AM
1

Good stuff man. My main sticking points/negative loop: 1.) I pedastalize the women I find attractive by having limiting thoughts/beliefs of "they wont' find me attractive", "they won't like me", "I'm not good enough/tall enough to get a girl like that", etc. 2.) This then makes it hard to interact with them (at best I come across as friendly, at worst I comes across as I'm trying too hard). This makes it difficult to relax, have fun, flirt, be assertive, etc. That's the loop. The interaction lea…
/r/seduction15/09/24 07:01 PM
1

This is what scares me a little, about maybe never being able to fully get rid of it. But I'll stat with a guided therapeutic setting. My problem is similar to OP but I haven't had a fraction of the success/attention he's had so I'm seeking validation/worth/esteem/approval from women and using that as my source of esteem/worth which is a negative loop obviously. I'm trying to uncouple that but feel like I've only barely moved a needle with respect to therapy, books, etc.
/r/seduction15/09/24 06:20 PM
1

Currently considering them because I can't seem to unwire similar self-worth/esteem issues as OP
/r/seduction15/09/24 04:51 PM
1

Which plant medicines have you tried?
/r/seduction15/09/24 04:30 PM
1

Same haha.
/r/seduction14/09/24 06:18 PM
2

DMing you because it looks like we all struggle with the same thing.
/r/seduction14/09/24 06:16 PM
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Been dancing for about 6 months now and I agree, if you get good at it, it's incredibly seductive. BUT be warned, unless you're dancing with a complete beginner, most women won't be interested in you if they're better dances than you. Got to get good as fast as possible. I dance 4 nights a week.
/r/seduction14/09/24 06:14 PM
1

I assume this is crazy hard to find. I'm in LA and would love to have the experience your private guy offers but where do I even begin to look for that? I suspect they won't be on some website.
/r/seduction13/09/24 06:17 PM
1

Most women that I do this with actually do comment on it so they are noticing but yes, the whole idea is silly. I hold doors open for every person.
/r/ExRedPill13/09/24 05:23 PM
1

I understand but then what's the point of using them then? And how are the people who are actually meeting on these apps and getting into relationships having success? What are those men doing other than being good looking?
/r/ExRedPill13/09/24 05:22 PM
2

Good stuff, thank you, although I wouldn't say I've resorted to using the least reliable methond. Like I said, I'm going out nearly every single night of the week, I have many hobbies I partake in daily/weekly, I get invited to events, parties, etc. I get what you're saying and I'm most likely coming across as desperate. It's just hard not to be when you're lonely. Nonetheless, I'll shift my focus from finding a girlfriend to meeting new people.
/r/ExRedPill12/09/24 05:16 PM
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I'm looking to get into a relationship haha, need to get dates first. Been doing live improv for nearly a year now and I love it. Approaching women I still find much harder. Which IG dating influencers do you recommend?
/r/seduction12/09/24 03:20 PM
1

I'm not trying to challenge you in either way, I just asked for clarification. What I'm hearing you say is never approach women with the intention of romance, only approach them with the intention of friendship. Be friends with them first. Fair enough, I will do my best to remove any/all romantic intention from my interactions with women. I appreciate the videos on how the apps work. Regardless, they're still very demoralizing. I'll get off the apps. It sucks that all I hear about is that this i…
/r/ExRedPill12/09/24 07:57 AM
1

Baseline standards I understand, like not someone overweight, old, etc. But if you don't have options, you'll be going after average just as much as above average just to get some so it's hard to qualify and be choosy in that regard because you're coming from a place of scarcity by default. Please do explain the behavior part.
/r/seduction11/09/24 10:53 PM
1

What did you do within that 1 year to get to where you are now? I'm about the same age as you.
/r/seduction11/09/24 10:23 PM
1

How do you do this if you don't have options though?
/r/seduction11/09/24 08:12 PM
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It's absolutely a talent and it's damn hard.
/r/seduction11/09/24 04:17 PM
1

I'm curious, how do you suggest men go about this?
/r/ExRedPill11/09/24 04:04 PM
1

I think you're oversimplifying some things here. I agree one doesn't need to be "alpha" in 2024 but to just simply find a woman with shared interests in no way guarantees you'll find a woman to be with romantically. As a man, I still have to do everything to stand out from all the other men who have approached you. That's what is so appealing about the "alpha" concept and why guys think in terms of scarcity with women. The idea is that if I can be "alpha" I can get women and therefore have an ab…
/r/ExRedPill11/09/24 04:00 PM
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I definitely don't think men are treating it like a game and if that is the case, women are treating it like a game just as much. There are legitimately serious men on there looking for a serious relationship. I'm assuming that there are women as well.
/r/ExRedPill11/09/24 02:57 PM
1

So them what's the purpose of the apps? Isn't something like 50% of people are now meeting off the apps, isn't that just as good or better reflection of reality as opposed to real life and going outside?
/r/ExRedPill11/09/24 04:32 AM
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Are women not evaluating me as a man and what I have to offer when they date me? Literally the last two women I dated went through a laundry list of things they wanted in a man and asked me whether or not I had those things. I never said I thought I'm doing everything right, hence the whole point of this post, because it's my opinion something is wrong somewhere and I want to find out why. You seem to have misinterpreted everything I've said. I've asked for advice from everyone who chimed in.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 10:36 PM
1

I don't think this is true, certainly not on dating apps. If we can assume that the majority of women on the apps are average as well as the majority of men, then why aren't these people matching together? Because most women are ignoring most men on the apps, deeming them as unattractive.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 09:57 PM
2

Horrible human being. It's a tragedy that people like here have such a large following.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 09:42 PM
1

Some context: I'm a 34 year old guy, currently having some struggles finding someone to be in a relationship with and eventually start a family, so I went in with wanting to discuss those struggles. It was like I was talking to a teenager. Apparently, most of her clients are wealthy porn addicts. She labeled me as such, proceeded to gloss over my entire life as it everything I had gone through was irrelevant, and basically told me there is no hope of me finding someone at this point because I'm …
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 09:08 PM
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Seems like everyone is still assuming all sorts of things about people without seeking the need to clarify.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 08:34 PM
0

I don't view myself as a nice guy. I have made physical observations of guys mistreating women and observing and listening to women's reactions to them.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 08:32 PM
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I've never asked a woman what she brought to the table, I don't know why people are thinking that. I'm asking myself what she is bringing to the table just as she is evaluating me the entire time. I feel like I have every right to be doing that just as most women's dating profiles have a long list of what requirements that they demand in a man.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 08:29 PM
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I'm 34 and looking for a woman 26+ to get married to and start a family...you're the perfect age so stop being hard on yourself. Take care of yourself, love yourself, and respect yourself.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 08:15 PM
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I did a consultation with her once and it was HORRID. It's really a shame people like her get such a large following/platform. What most people don't realize is how much these people are just characters with little substance.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 08:02 PM
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u/ChelseaDagger16 I do get what you're both saying, I honestly don't know how to approach apps, meaning I don't know how to asses my level of attractiveness other than I'm not attractive enough. Obviously, I'm not attractive enough as statistically most women on apps are looking for someone of a certain height/stature/nationality and I'm not a 6'+ white male. I think I'm not being at all seen by most women since many of them filter for guys above 6' so it's hard not to assess self-worth but then…
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 06:52 PM
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I considered a number of matchmakers but the "good ones' are at least $10,000. I have the money but as a man, I can't help but ask what the fuck is wrong with me to have to pay someone $10k+ to help me find a woman? People find each other every single day, why am I having to suffer to do that?
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 06:16 PM
1

I don't think I'm better than women. I think I sound that way because I'm surrounded by women who think they're better than men and don't hesitate to verbally express that. I looked into matchmaking services and they're crazy expensive (think at least $10,000 and upwards). I have the money but it's a lot of money for no guarantee. I just felt like what's wrong with me to have to spend $10k just to have someone find me a woman? I know how to date, I'm not some incompetent idiot, I know how to com…
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 06:14 PM
0

Very much so, thank you. Let me clarify: 1: My perspective on this is due to the fact that women look at me and ask what do I bring to the table which is fair. Why can't I look at them and ask the same? I've never actually asked this of women, but it's in the back of my mind just like most women have it when evaluating me. I just feel like in today's world, it's so one-sided, there is such a large echo chamber of "men bring nothing to the table" so I found myself asking what does a woman bring t…
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 06:00 PM
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It really sucks and I honestly regret not taking this part of my life seriously many years ago. I was so focused on career but had I known it was going to be this hard, I would have started this endeavor long ago. I think statistically the odds of finding someone past a certain age is abysmal, particularly for men so I'm very concerned about how to approach all this.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 05:21 PM
1

I guess this is all just compatibility issues that I need to clarify. I'm not saying I'm going to go adventure on my own and you stay at home. You'd need to be at least open to things that are adventurous or at least outdoorsy. I ride horses, I love hiking and being outdoors, I love traveling. We need to be compatible on at least some of those things. If we're not, then we'd probably not make it very far. Regarding sex, I honestly make it all about her. For me, it's about giving her the best exp…
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 05:33 AM
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You seem to understand :) People have no idea how bad dating is here. It's horrid. There is a very prominent demographic of women that truly hate men and have no reservations in being vocal about it in every way. And yes, the superficiality, ego, entitlement, arrogance is off the charts. People live life like it's is a social media highlight reel and it's that's not you, you're definitely out of place. Everyone tells me to leave LA if I'm serious about finding a spouse but where the hell do I go…
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 05:11 AM
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If you think my list of requirements are shallow, you should see some women's dating profiles. I want a long term relationship that leads to a marriage and kids. Common interests are great but it's not necessary in the sense that as long as we're both open to new things, we can always get involved in each others interests. I'd love to find someone who loves the same things I do so I agree, maybe I should be more mindful of sharing common interests. I've yet to find someone whilst doing any of th…
/r/ExRedPill10/09/24 05:06 AM
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I thought about it and I felt like I would really come across as desperate. I mean they know I'm not having much success with dating, hence how we arrived at the topic in the first place, so to remind them again, it just feels like I'm really pushing it. I'm sure I'm making it a much bigger deal that it really is.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 10:28 PM
1

I do my best to stay as socially active as possible since I know what it's like to isolate oneself and it's not pleasant. A LOT of people tell me they know someone they can set me up with and in the end, it never happens. I think they honestly just forget.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 10:18 PM
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I probably won't meet a woman who makes as much money as I do. I own my own home outright, no debt, so a woman's money/income is irrelevant to me and I don't need anything from her financially nor would I ever expect it. I do all the cooking, cleaning, laundry etc. myself. A woman's character is what I'm looking for. Take care of your health/fitness, be respectful, appreciative, grateful, affectionate, feminine, loyal. Be humble, no ego/entitlement/arrogance, I'm not someone for you to compete w…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 10:17 PM
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Everywhere I go socially. At the barn/riding facility, at events/parties that friends invite me to, at improv classes (I've been doing live improv for nearly a year), at dance classes. The majority of women I meet that I like are taken, unfortunately (relationship, engaged, married).
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 10:06 PM
1

Both from apps and in person, but mostly from in person.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 10:04 PM
1

Treating them like shit: One guy this past weekend refused to drive his girlfriend home and told her to go with someone else because he didn't want her getting his newly detailed car interior dirty. As far as I could tell, she wasn't filthy in any way and his car is some early-2000s Chevy pick up. Nothing remotely fancy. Apparently he does this to her all the time and it bothers her tremendously, among many other things she shared. I like what you've said regarding the individual and what they b…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:59 PM
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Gotcha, that makes sense. Honestly, a woman's character is far more important than her accomplishments. I don't need a woman's financial resources, I make more than enough on my own. It's the behavior and habits you speak of that are important and yes, I've perhaps met many women who have these things and I just didn't see them because I wasn't romantically interested in them. I'm sure they exist. The conundrum is finding that in a person you're interested in/attracted to and that takes us back …
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:43 PM
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I try not to lead with success/money but it's also hard not to. Horses are a huge part of my life so they come up fairly soon in getting to know me and horseback riding in LA is synonymous with money (or that's usually what people think). By the second date, they usually want come over to my place and it's a big house which leads to them thinking of me, as you eluded to, a bank or a retirement plan. That's when the exclusivity conversation comes ups as they want to lock things down. It's frustra…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:40 PM
0

Women and children first if the doors happen to be sinking, of course ;)
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:32 PM
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Thank you. I wouldn't identify as an incel. I actually love women and sex and in no way would I ever resign to being alone or never having sex and I'm not blaming women at all. If I'm blaming anything it's culture/society in general that's lead to people, for many reasons, not being able to connect and socialize the way we used to many years ago. I accept full responsibility for where I am in life, for better or for worse, I'm just trying to find out what is going on. I'd love to find a woman th…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:31 PM
0

I appreciate the detailed reply, thank you. I'll definitely read the detox you speak of. Regarding not actively looking to date/be in a relationship. Many people have told me that and it's just hard not to. When you're lonely and frustrated and feel like you're irrelevant to most women when you've gone to insane lengths to better yourself as a man/person in every way and still not being enough to find a partner, it's just hard to not actively look, instead it feels like I need to double down eve…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:24 PM
4

I hold doors open for everyone, men, women, and children.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:15 PM
0

I do. I'm extremely frustrated and honestly lonely and it's probably coming across as desperate. When I compare my success with women/dating in my mid-late 20s to now, it's night and day. I was broke back them, didn't dress well, hadn't travelled anywhere, was so confused about what I was doing in life in general after my original career aspirations fell apart. I wasn't doing anything special, I wasn't "running game" or doing PUA stuff. I was just meeting women organically and getting to know th…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:14 PM
0

Fair enough. I was honestly thinking it wasn't worth doing all that anymore anyways so I'll stop, I have no problem with that.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 09:00 PM
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I don't think so as I'm not letting women drag me around and waste my time but please do elaborate.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 08:52 PM
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Did you just approach any and all attractive women that you saw out and about or did you specifically go to places to do this (bars, clubs, etc). Did you do this alone? How did you tweak your approach as you went along the process?
/r/seduction09/09/24 03:18 AM
1

What was the experience you went through?
/r/seduction08/09/24 02:23 PM
0

Cheers man. I think most guys will need to go the route your best friend had you take, basically total immersion.
/r/seduction07/09/24 10:52 PM
1

Yes but don't you need to believe that about yourself first? Don't you need to internalize that she's trying to sell you and that you're the buyer?
/r/seduction07/09/24 09:52 PM
2

Isn't the foundation of all this mindset? How do you internalize all of that first before the dialogue happens?
/r/seduction07/09/24 09:40 PM
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I've read a lot of your stuff man and it sounds like you've come a long way but I think you gloss over a lot of your realizations. I'm assuming it wasn't as easy as waking up one day, flipping a switch, and then saying: "I'm not going to put any effort into getting women" and then boom ---> pussy magnet. Were there specific things you did to work on your mindset and change your approach?
/r/seduction07/09/24 08:56 PM
1

Does this come naturally to you or did you have to work on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:54 PM
1

What did you do to work on your social skills and did you specifically focus on social skills as they pertained to women (game) or a more broad approach?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:38 PM
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Then it's purely anecdotal evidence that we're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:45 PM
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It is rare. You and your friends are a minority even if it is becoming more common. I definitely don't think women are aging more slowly or looking younger. Those of you that are are a statistically minority. The average American woman is at her heaviest in recorded history at 165lbs. The women that age well are those that are genetically gifted and/or take it upon themselves to take care of their health/fitness from a very early age and maintain that. Statistically, that is a minority as it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:44 PM
1

These guys were getting the hottest women in school, in the sororities, etc. that most other men were fantasizing about. I agree that we're talking about perspective/delusion which is then very hard to quantify, especially if we're saying that not all women are like this. The real discussion is, then, how many women really are delusional like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:21 PM
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Yea but women's behavior says otherwise and I've seen many very attractive women all the way back to high school through college and into their 30s with average looking men. If I listened to what women said on Reddit, I'd stay at home all day in my basement and play video games and never talk to a woman again. I understand your conundrum on the single and 30s women, that's a bit different as now they're desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:04 PM
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This is where it gets complicated. I think a lot has to do with mental seduction. Some of the best guys I know with women are fairly average but they have women obsessed with them because they have incredible game. That is genuine desire. I'd say most women are in unhappy relationships because most men (irrespective of physical attraction) ultimately let women walk all over them. I don't think it's the physical attraction (or lack thereof) that is at play although it can feed into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:35 PM
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I know that stat (although I don't remember where it comes from) and I understand the truth behind it but day-to-day reality also challenges it. I'd say it's fairly normal to see average men with above-average women. Many women I see are with men that are "below them" in terms of straight-up looks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:17 PM
2

In an ideal world, we do give your best to our spouses but I think this is not the norm to be honest and I don't want to attack women but hear me out and let me know your thoughts. It doesn't take much for a man to give his best sexual experience to a woman. I suppose the only thing missing would be any sort of intimate connection but men can still fuck like pros even if they're not into a woman and actually enjoy it. I make it a point to give every woman the best experience I can irrespective o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:13 PM
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A big part of it is this and second/third order effects of it also. If you're at home all the time, your social skills will suffer which then further causes you to not end up fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:01 PM
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I would categorize those guys as strongly average. If that's your standard for average, then nearly all guys are unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:59 PM
2

The only truth in this whole post. It's all cope!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:22 PM
1

Your case is a bit of an exception because of your husbands culture and because of your genetics which make you look younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:18 PM
3

This is reality right here. It's not nearly as "sunshine and rainbows" as most of the women here think it is. While there are anomalies where it ends up in a serious relationship or marriage, most of the time it's just casual sex and the guy leaves as soon as he secures a younger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:16 PM
1

Exactly. Trust me, many women here are very promiscuous irrespective of date. Maybe they make guys wait when they get older (think late 20s/early 30s) but it's fairly common for women to have sex on the first date in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:02 PM
1

What makes you say that women are settling on looks for stability?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:53 PM
1

This is waaaay more common than you think. Many women are having sex on the first date, most are having sex by the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:52 PM
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Not necessarily. It depends upon the sex we are getting in the relationship that we are in. Desire can't be negotiated so unless the woman we are with truly desires us and shows that through sex, then we are left to compare that to other women we've been with who had sex with us because they desired us.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:49 PM
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I don't disagree with what you're saying but most women I know, if it's not a "toxic abusive ex" story, it's a story on how they were used for sex by fuckboys whom they thought they could change. If they didn't encounter an abusive man, they did experience being used for only sex by men, especially if they passed through the very common "ho phase" that so many do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:42 PM
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You talk a lot about ki. What things have you done to be more in tune with that? Have you tried meditation, psychedelic's, etc?
/r/seduction04/09/24 07:44 PM
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I asked a question about this on here and it got removed but your experience sounds profound. I was wondering if porn, OnlyFans, etc. is what, at least partly. caused men to pedestalize women since it seems like the crux of the matter is almost always the pedestalizing of attractive women that men do.
/r/seduction04/09/24 07:41 PM
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You're asking a lot from the average man in today's world haha. What you're describing takes a level of self-awareness and discipline which most people don't have and it takes practice to really be in tune in social situations. I still cold approach (I hate that word) but I had to do a lot of work on my communication. I've been doing live improv for nearly a year to slow down my speech, deal with nerves, work on really listening and observing who I'm speaking with, work on banter and wit. I'm a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 07:21 PM
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Some good truth here man. We're living in a world where men are afraid of women and then listening to women with respect to how to get them (don't approach me) and then when it doesn't work, they hate women. Crazy simulation we're living in.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 07:06 PM
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Gotcha. We're not all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:41 PM
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You have a very unique perspective on things in this sub although I'm still trying to figure out why you'd think I'd want an open relationship haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:12 PM
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Yea but that's a very dismal reality since the apps clearly aren't working for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:00 PM
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Sounds good man, just sent you a DM.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:08 PM
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Hmmm, I'd be curious to see your profile, you can take a look at mine if you'd like. I'm paying for the apps and I live in Los Angeles. I have a variety of very eclectic photos, nothing corny or shirtless and I've had no success whatsoever. I'm betting you're at least 6' tall also.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 06:53 AM
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If you're going to niche, why not go extreme I say
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 06:51 AM
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My niche is horseback riding. I ride horses competitively and it's a big feature of my profile among a few other fun hobbies I have (I love to cook, dance, snowboard, etc). I wouldn't say that's generic since it's fairly rare to find a man in the dressage/showjumping world but it hasn't at all helped with online dating, even with women who are equestrians so unless you're the anomaly, I would say most women are swiping on the most handsome men, not the men who share personal tastes. I commend yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:50 AM
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Interesting. I'm curious, what would you say gives you success on the apps? Is it just looks or do you have something else going for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:55 PM
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Thank you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:47 PM
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I don't think that's what these men are looking for though. The appeal of a virgin isn't that she'll be a little nympho, why would any guy assume that? The appeal is that she hasn't been with other men. I would never expect a virgin to be a slut for me and honestly, the most inexperienced women I've been with were the best women I've been with because they were so open to learning. It didn't matter that she was clumsy in bed. It was pleasurable taking the journey with her to becoming better in b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:47 PM
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Right and it seems like instead of lowering standards, most average women are choosing to stay single (whether or not they're abstinent is another discussion).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:32 PM
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You might be the only logical female in this whole discussion haha. There's a lot of talk here but behavioral data supports what you've said here, not what other women are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:57 PM
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Did you actually have a conversation about this or you two just gradually dropped everyone else and only saw each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:52 PM
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From what I understand, the average woman, whilst attempting to date above average men, will exclude all other men. Average men, while attempting to date above average women, will eventually realize they can't get those women and so try to get with average women but those women won't pay attention to them since they only want to above average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:52 PM
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This. Most of the women I've dated this year who were looking for a serious relationship all were dating multiple men, had fuckboys on the side, etc. so I learned my lesson: date multiple women, have FWBs, etc. I feel like all the people who date one person at a time are the anomalies.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:47 PM
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For sure but that just confirms what I said earlier. I don't mean anything bad by it but if this was a situation where you didn't find the guy attractive and he wasn't confident, this would have never worked out so most guys couldn't pull off what your guy did under those conditions. If this was the average guy who was pouring his heart out to a woman about him having dating problems, no way would he end up with that girl. Your man had attractiveness plus confidence plus not really caring about …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:14 PM
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This is what it boils down to, selecting well, but the whole point is that people can't do that anymore. Society is conditioning people to follow hookup culture throughout their teens and 20s which doesn't at all equip anyone with the skills to select a long-term partner. Unless we assume that most people aren't participating in hookup culture, my bet is that most people don't know who to select for long-term, healthy partners. People are great at selecting people to hook up with, and that's it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:04 PM
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That would be awesome, thank you! Give me a bit to take some screenshots of my profile and I will send you a DM.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 08:54 PM
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Curious, what do you think allows you to have the success you do on the apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 08:48 PM
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I would think that most of the guys on the apps are generic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 08:47 PM
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You honestly might be the exception. I think a lot of this comes down to your age, maturity, attractiveness, options etc. and a lot of it comes down to the nuances of the interaction. Maybe your guy just didn't give two shits about telling you that he was having a hard time. Maybe he didn't care how you'd think of him or even whether or not he'd get with you. So his confidence is what carried him through and ultimately played into you two ending up together. If an average guy was not confident a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 08:45 PM
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So I tried your technique and so far it hasn't worked, no women has responded afterwards. Either you're crazy smooth and seductive with your complement and question or your friend is very attractive and that's why the women are replying in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 08:33 PM
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Hmmm, I've tried that though and it doesn't work but I'll do my best to keep it to that short of an interaction and go from there. I'd still like to see your messages because I follow a very similar pattern of compliment, question, etc. and still get a high ghost rate whether I drop a number or keep the conversation going. I appreciate your feedback, it does help hearing from a woman who actually has gone through the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 06:01 AM
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Because I can offer her a life most men can't. Because I've put insane amounts of time, effort, and energy into building myself up as a man, addressing my flaws, educating myself, taking care of my health/body, making good money, not drinking/smoking, not watching porn, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 05:57 AM
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I've tried different time frames but usually several messages (maybe around 7). The problem is that women take 2-4 days to reply at a time so several messages get dragged on for well over a week even though we really haven't gotten to know each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 05:48 AM
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Because they never were/are going to find that person. It's a pipe dream and it always has been. It's predicated on unrealistic standards that they feel they are entitled to. There is nothing wrong with remaining alone, but there is something wrong when you have unrealistic expectations and holding on to that into perpetuity. It has nothing to do with compatibility, they're passing up on many guys whom they are very much compatible with, those guys just aren't "good enough". For whatever it's wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:28 PM
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I agree and it gets addicting going from one guy to another in the sense that it is sexual validation, even if they are getting dogged out. Like you said, they go in with some instability and it just snowballs and it unfortunately leads to more and more extreme sexual encounters. I've kissed women who barely knew how to kiss, let alone give a blowjob. I had to literally instruct them on how to use their mouth/tounge, how to move their hips, how to get into a certain positions. Experienced women …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:14 PM
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It's all one big lie at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:49 PM
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Yea it's weird. In general, most women seem to think that most other women are not promiscuous. I think women are far more promiscuous than most other women think, they just hide it very well since they don't want to be judged by fellow women as you eluded to. But as a man, that stuff comes out and you see all the shit women do. Hence why at this point in my life, I'd be shocked to meet a woman past 30yo who wasn't in double digits. I truly believe that is the norm despite all the statistics peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:11 PM
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These are all great indicators and you're right, there is a degree of instinct/cunning to this. I think many of these things can be hidden to a degree though. Women lie about body count so asking if they've had FWB or on-night-stands doesn't work, you have to go about it another way. I've seen women clean out their social media when they think they've found a guy they want to settle down with and the most promiscuous women I know have very little social media presence. The male friends is a good…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 08:36 PM
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What made you change?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 08:07 PM
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If you go from overweight to athletic, you will definitely look more attractive, man or woman. How you can argue that is beyond me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 08:01 PM
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You explained a symptom, not a cause. A woman who is being bed by other men and not you doesn't respect you which then causes the lack of trust and access to her body.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:47 PM
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I like what you're saying here but I also know that as a man, just seeking to create an emotional connection with a woman without romantic interest leads straight to friendzone. It is a very delicate balance that I think most women don't appreciate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:41 PM
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What would you say is the issue then? Specifically for the normal, above average people. Certainly they'd be able to secure a relationship but they haven't yet. I agree with you that MOST might be a strong word but it begs the questions as to what is the problem. Regarding being average, that is a major issue since what is now average is historically abysmal. I think the average weight of the average American woman is 165lbs, the heaviest at any point in history. We're also at a point where porn…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:34 PM
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This is absolutely a huge problem. At this point, many men and women are socially inpet. It's no longer a one-sided issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:24 PM
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As opposed to realizing that they aren't going to secure this mythical "one" they've been brainwashed into believing they will get.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:22 PM
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No, I'm saying men and women are having unrealistic standards/expectations of who they want. You have overweight women well into their 30s who want a man who makes good money, looks good, etc. You have slobs of men bumming it on their parents couches who want Insta/OnlyFans models. Neither group is willing to better themselves and make themselves more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:21 PM
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Please tell me where these women with low body counts are. By the time most women get to 30, they will have racked up well into double digits.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:55 PM
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I'd love to see what is is you're doing because I get ghosted ASAP as soon as I try to move things to an actual date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:39 PM
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If super religious republicans equates to women who haven't fucked through their teens and 20s and well into their 30s, then it might be worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:07 PM
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Everyone tells me to go to OC but it's hard to relocate unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:02 PM
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Maybe but it's still a very small pool of people. How is 2,000 participants a representation of a country of many millions? And with the other study, extrapolating data from one month is absurd. For any of this data to be legitimate, you'd need to conduct this survey with tens of thousands of people from teens into 30s. I've yet to see any survey that did this. Just asking a couple thousand people how many partners they've had over the course of a few years doesn't reveal anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:51 PM
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It's the unreasonable expectations and an overall laziness to improve oneself, make oneself more attractive, and putting oneself out there. That shit is hard and most people (men and women) aren't willing to do all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:29 PM
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Yea but if you read the article, it states a large chunk of people lied so I have no idea how anyone can use this data and claim those numbers are accurate. 41.3 percent of men and 32.6 percent of women admitted to lying about their sexual history. Those are large numbers in what is an otherwise very small pool of participants (2,000). Maybe your second paragraph is true but again, it's impossible to prove. And if we're going by observation, we're going to get different conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:27 PM
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I'm in Los Angeles and it sucks just as bad. More people just wanting to fuck around well into their 30s, men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:26 PM
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This is a phenomena of both sexes. I can say the same about many women I've dated who think they "have time" and are holding out for the "one" well into their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:25 PM
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Fair enough, what makes you say that though? Not trying to be an asshole or anything, just wondering what your perspective it and how you reached that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:22 PM
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I agree, I'm not saying women aren't attracted to their husbands. They are, just not in the way they're attracted to men in their "ho phase" when they're freely sleeping around. They will shut down their "dirty little slut" persona when they are with their husbands because they don't want to be seen as that. They'll gladly be that girl with a guy from their past or a guy they perceive as a boytoy. The husband gets to see her as the "good girl" only.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:19 PM
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Okay but what makes you say that? Observation? What data, other than self-reported information, actually shows that most women don't engage in casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:08 PM
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They sure as hell weren't doing threesomes and orgies together.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:07 PM
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I don't think a woman agreeing with me would be settling
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:06 PM
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What makes you say that it's an overstatement with regards to women being into casual sex? Isn't that the norm at this point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:18 AM
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I don't think the data for the n-counts is anything substantial. Isn't it self-reported data from a very small pool of people?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:16 AM
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I've known women do crazy sexual things with guys in their past and who now don't have sex with their husbands. This is a very common phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:13 AM
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I'm curious as to why you think it's a minority? As in, is there anything other than observation that would make you back that statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:11 AM
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I definitely think what you described is going on. Throw in dating apps and you the subversion of relationships and the "the is someone out there better/hotter" phenomenon.
/r/seduction27/08/24 09:23 PM
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I think this applies to anything in life. Women aren't doing this for our benefit, they're doing it 100% for their benefit. As a man, as in all things, you adapt or die. So does game make you a better man? Absolutely. Is it because women genuinely have a vested interest in making you a better man? Hell no.
/r/seduction27/08/24 05:53 PM
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How did you do this specifically? You just meditate everyday and visualize that you're great with women?
/r/seduction26/08/24 09:32 PM
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I knew a guy like that in high school as well. Really chubby guy, looked like a slob, but he got with some of the hottest girls, many of them younger than him.
/r/seduction26/08/24 09:09 PM
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I think I get what you're saying. Essentially you have to be 100% okay with losing the girl from the second you see her and all the way through the relationship. I guess my issue is that I'm looking at these attractive girls in such a way that I'm concerned with losing them compared with the girls I don't find attractive where I could care less whether I didn't see them again, if they walked away, rejected me, etc. It's still a mind fuck though, how to treat both categories the same mentally, ev…
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:53 PM
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Where are you finding these lairs/seduction clubs?
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:38 PM
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What did you do to get over this?
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:28 PM
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Agree completely and I don't think chivalry is dead at all. I just think it's not as common since many men have checked out of dating altogether and/or do stupid shit just to get with women and then toss out things like chivalry. Like anything though, it's how you say/do something and the energy you have behind it that makes it resonate.
/r/seduction26/08/24 06:23 PM
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Hmmm, interesting. It doesn't register like that for me unfortunately. I ride horses competitively and have survived things that would have left most people paralyzed. I rode and taught motorcycle riding for years, I was a snowboarder for several seasons, rock climbed throughout college. I still find myself chasing women and can't embody that effortlessness you speak of. I'm no incel, I'm getting women and having sex, but they're not the women I want because those are usually the women I'm putti…
/r/seduction26/08/24 12:41 AM
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I think I get what you're saying but in that case, I would suspect that that priority needs to be something massive, like your purpose in life. It's not enough to just have a bunch of hobbies, a great job, friends, etc. Like you would need to be pursuing something so profound that it makes the pursuit of women or women in general to be trivial.
/r/seduction24/08/24 10:44 PM
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How do you suggest you find these lairs? I'm assuming, like anything, only a few are legit.
/r/seduction24/08/24 09:48 PM
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I think you have enough women to keep lust out of it. If you've got a full life and no women, you're still at a disadvantage in terms of the pursuit of women
/r/seduction24/08/24 09:48 PM
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How did you become content with who you are?
/r/seduction23/08/24 09:16 PM
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Hmmm, interesting. So then we're fundamentally talking about self-worth/esteem. A man who is internally strong gets that from a profound sense of self-worth/esteem. But then that goes full circle: if your lack of success with women is weighing on your self-worth/esteem, how do you get out of that rut? It's a negative feedback loop. The answer is obviously don't base your sense of self-worth/esteem on success with women but that is easier said than done.
/r/seduction23/08/24 09:16 PM
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I'm in LA so if you can refer me to Juggler, I'd be happy to work with him. I'm in the same boat as you. Immunity to rejection will only get you so far. It is one ingredient in a recipe. What I've observed with guys who are good with women is that they treat all women the same, a 4/10 and a 10/10 are the same. They also are just all around playful and lighthearted. You need a playful, non-serious vibe about you in general, not just with women. Get serious in life where/when you need it (in doses…
/r/seduction23/08/24 09:11 PM
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It's definitely hard to switch that off, especially if that is how you've approached much of life from a young age and had success in other endeavors by being this way. I'm dealing with this right now and had to grind/suffer through so much from a young age. Now I'm crazy intense and it's my default state but it's backfiring badly with women. I need to learn to not exert effort with women but it's not so easy to just switch it off.
/r/seduction22/08/24 08:26 PM
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I'm not sure about this. Many guys who crush it with women are often fairly average. Maybe they've got a solid frame regarding women, but most of their life isn't solid by any means. I think it's wrong to just tell guys to go and build their entire life and not focus on women. On some level, you need to learn to communicate with women, be flirtatious and social, etc and if you ignore that, you're at a massive disadvantage no matter how much you're solid in all other areas of life.
/r/seduction22/08/24 08:25 PM
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Absolutely. It's a skill and like any skill, you've got to make tweaks if you're practicing the skill incorrectly. Otherwise you don't get anywhere. I think for me, the sticking point is the mental aspect whilst you're going through the growing pains. It's hard not to get into a scarcity mindset, thinking you're not good enough, not attractive enough, taking the rejections personally, etc. The psychological aspect of it is the hardest part in my opinion.
/r/seduction21/08/24 09:04 PM
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Very well said man, you've answered my question. I guess it really does take hundreds, if not thousands, or rejections which is why most guys quit after a few dozen.
/r/seduction20/08/24 10:39 PM
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Yup, I'm going deep with a lot of classes and going to the clubs with my teacher. Fortunately, most of the women I dance with are very nice and they all give me tips on how to get better so I'll get good in time.
/r/seduction20/08/24 10:29 PM
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I get that and it all makes sense. The issue is the lead-up to all of this. It's easy when you're getting the 9s and 10s to feel like you're an invincible prize but what do you do before you have all of that? That's the hard part because it is a mind fuck, especially when you're going from rejection to rejection. How and where are you meeting all these women? I'm assuming you've got great game if they're that into you. How did you get started in the beginning before you were pulling women like t…
/r/seduction19/08/24 10:34 PM
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So you just have to beast through the rejections, no matter how plentiful they are, until you started fucking the hotties?
/r/seduction19/08/24 09:15 PM
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Been taking dance classes for about 4 months now and I can't wait until I actually get good enough. I'm still a newbie and it's frustrating watching all the pro guys crushing it with women just because they can dance.
/r/seduction19/08/24 09:08 PM
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This, period. The amount of garbage that is fed to men about this is crazy. A man needs to have options. This is where his power comes from.
/r/seduction19/08/24 06:20 PM
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Thanks man, I appreciate all the advice and support.
/r/seduction17/08/24 05:24 AM
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I mean I'm not a fan of LA by any stretch. I'd love to come to NYC, haven't been since I was a kid. Definitely not easy finding high class here haha.
/r/seduction15/08/24 10:17 PM
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Most definitely. I feel like I've tried the most complicated things but I've never stopped to simply try talking to myself more kindly. I shall do my best from this point to do so.
/r/seduction15/08/24 09:51 PM
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Some good stuff man, thank you. Definitely things to think about and certainly learning to see the value in myself is something I need to dedicate much introspection to.
/r/seduction15/08/24 09:49 PM
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Some good stuff man, thank you. I'm in a weird place right now because I've had lots of sex this year so on the one hand, I know what meaningless sex feels like and I'd much prefer sex with one woman that I'm crazy about. But on the other hand, I'm still not having sex with the kinds of women I want. So I'm wanting to get good at game to finally have lots of sex with those kinds of women, but I suspect that I will end up at the same conclusion you did (and kind of where I already am). But like y…
/r/seduction15/08/24 07:54 PM
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Thanks man, I appreciate the resources. So much of our success comes down to how we're talking to ourselves on a daily basis and I'm very unkind to myself.
/r/seduction15/08/24 07:22 PM
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Thanks for the advice man. I probably am closer thank I think I am, I'm just not giving myself permission to be that guy and/or believe it as you said. I think I've spent so many years of my life in doubt regarding this issue, it's now my default state and seeing any other reality is hard even though I can get glimpses every now and then so I know it's not exactly impossible. It's definitely a case of conditioning and reprogramming. I will watch Bartek socials for sure!
/r/seduction15/08/24 06:28 PM
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I live in Los Angeles, is that comparable?
/r/seduction15/08/24 05:41 PM
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I love Californication!
/r/seduction15/08/24 05:40 PM
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Very true. At some point, the external behavior is what allows you to change the internal state so I suppose it's just a matter of getting some wins under your belt and getting the momentum from those to convince you that you can do it, which then feeds into your internal game. I agree with the last sentence but when I really think about that, I feel like I'm only with women for the sexual component. If I get most of my needs met from family, friends, life, etc. then what need (other than sex) c…
/r/seduction15/08/24 05:38 PM
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Awesome life story man, definitely seems like you went on quite a journey and had some profound realizations along the way.
/r/seduction15/08/24 05:27 PM
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Good point. I think I meant that as I like being sociable, I'm rarely at home and I make it a point to go out almost every night. I definitely need more practice but I'd love a coach just in case. I would say I'm definitely experimenting and taking shots but with a high rejection rate and sometimes I do let the losses weigh on me so I need to work on that for sure.
/r/seduction15/08/24 04:06 PM
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In short I think instead of learning tricks one should work on removing certain thoughts, insecurities, blockages etc and just be yourself and accept some people will love you and others won’t. I'm working on this for sure but it's hard and a big reason why is many of the thoughts/insecurities/blockages are tied to success (or lack thereof) with women. It's like a negative feedback loop that I can't break. I do and have done much internal work but I still can't seem to uncouple this.
/r/seduction15/08/24 03:57 PM
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Cheers man, great to hear someone crushing it in their 40s!
/r/seduction15/08/24 03:48 PM
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Yes but HOW did you do that? You just woke up one day and started giving less of a fuck across the board? And you managed to maintain this state daily/weekly/monthly?
/r/seduction15/08/24 03:48 PM
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Being with someone whom I find physically attractive. Many women I've been with I either found unattractive or neutral. I found it wasn't pleasant in the long term; I knew I wasn't genuinely attracted to these women and couldn't understand why I was with them if I wasn't, I was just going through the motions sexually I guess but it just didn't feel good overall, like something was missing.
/r/seduction15/08/24 03:43 PM
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You don’t have to be THAT GOOD or a “pretty boy”. All u have to do is exsuit confidence & have a high self-esteem. I was ALWAYS doubting myself, always talking myself out of situations etc. Definitely some issues I can relate to. I'm working through the self-worth/esteem stuff and have been but it's an arduous process and part of it is because I based my self-worth/esteem on my success with women which isn't good. Uncoupling that before I start having success seems like a Herculean effort.
/r/seduction15/08/24 03:39 PM
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Exactly. There has to be a specific way to do this. The guys how have an abundance of these types of women treat them all the same but I guess it's the abundance and the skill of knowing how to get these women that allows them that perspective. How to have that perspective when first starting out is hard.
/r/seduction15/08/24 03:30 PM
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This is a great post, thank you. It really is that simple and part of the reason why it's so frustrating is that I have the answer staring at me in the face but I just can't tweak my mind to execute what I do with Suzi the Cave Troll on Jenny the Hottie. It's such a mind fuck. But you've put it in a great way that really helps in seeing the issue, thank you.
/r/seduction15/08/24 07:47 AM
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Some great advice, thank you!
/r/seduction15/08/24 07:44 AM
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Very well said. I guess it really is simply practice with respect to treating all women the same in terms of attraction. It's fucking hard in the moment because your brain goes crazy.
/r/seduction15/08/24 07:43 AM
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Thanks for the advice good sir. You definitely hit the nail on the head with the 3 things I need to work on and I'm starting a Todd V bootcamp next month but depending upon how it goes, I might need something more consistent rather than just a one-off experience. I'll start looking for coaches here in LA.
/r/seduction15/08/24 07:40 AM
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I think what you're saying is great but you've reached an internal state that is producing your success with women. You simply just don't care and as a result, you can say whatever the hell you want, spike emotion, be absurd, have fun, etc. I think the issue is for guys who don't have that core "I don't care" vibe. How does one cultivate it, especially if you're not getting women in the first place? Seems like you went through some rough shit which then caused you to drop all fucks across the bo…
/r/seduction14/08/24 08:28 PM
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Where would one go to find these seducers? I don't think they'd be okay just taking a random person with them free of charge to teach them how to seduce.
/r/seduction14/08/24 07:52 PM
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Yea but how does one do that? If you can even have lots of options and still come across as unselected because you can't convey abundance, how do you convey abundance in that scenario? I get the outcome independence and how it works, but how do you trick your mind into that if it's not your default state? It's easy to be outcome independent with a 2, but how to do so with a 9?
/r/seduction14/08/24 07:32 PM
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What/how is the psychological process of being able to leverage it?
/r/seduction13/08/24 06:31 PM
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Absolutely. I guess it just feels like it's the norm nowadays with most people practicing some kind of self-deception/delusion/dishonesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 06:27 PM
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Okay. Dating app data completely disagrees with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 05:48 PM
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Hmmm, very interesting. I agree with what you're saying but isn't that a form of delusion then? You're perpetually lying to yourself and then feeding into an ideology that just wants to pit men against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 08:17 PM
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No, I mean no past trauma, abuse, baggage, etc. I think people genuinely don't know what being submissive means but that is a whole other topic of conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 07:56 PM
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Hmm, maybe. Let me know your thoughts on this: I think it's implicit in the idea being sold to women to hold on and wait indefinitely for the "one". How does one explain attractive women well into their 30s who are genuinely looking for a relationship but claim that they can't find a good man? Out of your pick of hundreds, if not thousands, of men, you haven't been able to find ONE after searching for several years? My assumption is that all these women are looking for a certain type of guy, mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 07:55 PM
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It's funny how a man can say I want a mentally and physically healthy woman and that is seen as having high standards but when women say they want a 6'+ 6-figure man it's seen as totally normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 06:41 PM
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That's the problem though. How do you navigate the stage before you're getting pussy?
/r/seduction06/08/24 10:11 PM
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Very interesting and very true. Crazy how all of this really is all in your head.
/r/seduction02/08/24 10:58 PM
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What's the rule of 3? Many men have zero options, very few options, or sub-optimal options so the only way forward is to fake it but that is really hard since as you've eluded to, it's in your tone/vibe/state of being. The other option you mentioned is interesting.
/r/seduction02/08/24 09:13 PM
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I get what you're saying with this but it boils down to "fake it till you make it" which is far easier than done. How did you push through the self-doubt that your brain triggers when you were acting like you had dozens of women but actually didn't?
/r/seduction02/08/24 07:21 PM
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Hmmm, okay. I'm about his same stature but I'm 34 and trying to find someone younger. I guess it really boils down to confidence and communication skills.
/r/seduction31/07/24 04:43 PM
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Tall, good looking guy I'm assuming?
/r/seduction31/07/24 04:19 PM
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I'm 34 and in the same boat as you and I agree, the late 20s women are very hard to find. The best ones are married/taken unfortunately.
/r/seduction31/07/24 04:19 PM
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Better than being single at 34 and sifting through the garbage of dating today to find a spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:54 PM
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You're lucky you married your HS sweetheart
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:37 PM
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Last two women I dated off the apps. First one was sex on the second date and second was sex on the first date. Both were very inexperienced also and were not looking for casual sex so I was shocked how both so easily gave up sex. I genuinely think most women are doing this. Both these women were 31.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 05:40 AM
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I'm genuinely curious how many women actually employ this vetting strategy though? From what I understand, sex on the first/second date is very much the norm. It doesn't seem like there are many women out there withholding sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:49 PM
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Show me these women because honestly, I see the exact opposite. Maybe you've seen and interacted with them, and I'm not saying you're being dishonest, but clearly your experience has been different than mine. And I wouldn't say past druggies and overweight women who got their shit together past 30 as quality women. Why bring men up? Why does this always boil down to some sort of competition between the sexes all over again? That said, it just proves the point then, the majority of people, men an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 06:27 PM
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I think what you're seeing is a phenomenon of life experience intersecting with red pill principles which makes it seem like we're all subscribing to the same dogma when in reality our lives simply led us to the same conclusions. These conclusions were things happening all along but when you combine life experience and learning to see the world objectively, you notice certain patterns. I don't know of a single woman past the age of 30 who is in every way better than she was in her 20s. The excep…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 06:07 PM
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I say the exact same thing to you, hence why I keep repeating myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 09:40 PM
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Maybe they can but that doesn't change the fact that given the right guy, they will be promiscuous. The most attractive women I knew where having sex throughout middle school and this was over 20 years ago. It's way worse now. Women might get the ick but that's irrelevant. As long as there are guys who are good with women from a young enough age will feed into women's promiscuity along with everything else that encourage female promiscuity. Some of these women have issues, sure, but most are jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 09:14 PM
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Hmmm. I don't think that necessarily translates into women being less promiscuous. Women will be promiscuous given the right opportunity/environment with the right guy, period. We're living in a social environment that encourages female promiscuity (go out and have your "hoe phase") and select guys know that and will exploit that. I've seen women do the most insane shit at parties, with guys they're obsessed with, etc. For whatever it's worth, this is largely a Western phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 09:01 PM
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I think the crux of the matter is that many men don't have those numbers. I know significantly overweight women getting dozens of likes on their OLD profiles but the same man would get nearly zero. Even if the woman doesn't like any of them, at the very least she has options whereas the equivalent man has none.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 08:12 PM
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Curious, what makes you say that women don't have it as easy and men don't have it as hard?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:01 PM
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I agree but I don't see young women changing their minds. It's exactly the confluence of porn and onlyfans which is being accessed by younger and younger boys which then conditions them to thinking that is how sex really is which in turn causes them to put pressure on women to be like the kind of women they see in porn. Guys are pressuring women to do more extreme things from an earlier age. Are we really trusting women to say no to all these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 06:19 PM
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They really don't see it man but it is hilarious. It's like watching children saying they don't need mom and dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:17 PM
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You sound like someone with great values, props to you. I think the issue isn't so much strangers as it is strangers from online. Hordes of people meet randomly at bars, events, parties, etc and have done so for decades. But meeting strangers from the internet I think is what really screwed everything up. It worked briefly but then when it became a mass movement, it all fell apart. Like you said, it's made it too easy to lie and to be fake and both sexes are guilty of doing so. I'm 34 so I'm not…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:03 AM
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No one has experience in raising a family until you raise a family haha. No experience required. If you're talking sexual experience, the best women are those with the least experience, trust me. Sudden change is always scary and screw what other people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:26 PM
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I don't think it's too late. Keep at it, dating sucks for everyone if you're looking for something other than quick sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 08:32 PM
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Very interesting. I had no clue who he was so I had to use the Google. I would suspect you'd have a hard time with dating not because of the virginity but because the guys you like are least likely to approach women. I have a few nerd friends and they're the most socially awkward people I've met. Not sure if this has been your experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:54 PM
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I wish we had more women like you here :) I'm at a point where dating has left me fairly jaded so I approach women with extreme caution. I really want to get married and have kids but as someone who stands to lose a lot financially if said marriage doesn't work out for one reason or the other, I'm very leery. I don't want to be because it makes meeting women very cumbersome but I also feel like I cannot afford not to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:49 PM
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What has kept you from finding a man? What type of man would you say you're looking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:36 PM
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What has kept you from finding a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:34 PM
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That's great to hear that you've had positive experiences. I think a lot of it has to do with your location but also as you eluded to, your outward appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:31 PM
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Unfortunately you are correct. I think that is because men assume she wasn't celibate at one point so she's holding off sex specifically from him where in the past, she had sex freely with other men and so men take that negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:59 PM
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I'm the same as you. Had plenty of women in my 20s but now in my 30s, have had very little luck even though I'm far superior to who I was in my 20s (make really good money, in excellent shape, have great hobbies, etc). I want someone with traditional values and who takes care of their health/fitness. I don't think that is having high standards nor do I think that is overestimating what I can get as a long term partner. Many people have suggested I leave to another city/state/country.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:22 PM
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We are all from different places across the country/world. I live in Los Angeles where feminism is pervasive and there is a very strong dislike of men and anything masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:24 PM
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Sadly, I know several women who don't want to get married so I'd be leery of just using your personal experience as a projection of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:17 PM
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This. Women don't realize that birth control changed everything and modern dating only accelerated what had already been happening which is the lack of incentive for men to commit. Now that most every woman will have sex before marriage and that many women are getting married in their later years when their youth is no longer at it's peak, mean are seeing less and less incentive to marry. I understand the frustration on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:12 PM
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Can you elaborate on why you think this is what you're experiencing? I'm 34 and wanting to get married. I certainly don't want a 20yo Instagram model but as someone who takes really good care of their health, I want a women who does also but many women are overweight so I find myself passing on many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:06 PM
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This is a weird post. I don't get why someone like Emily needs 10 years and 2 abortions to realize that the guy she is with isn't the right guy. Why do many years have to go by? I agree that it's not necessarily easy to tell whether or not you want to marry someone within the first few/several months but certainly after a few years it should be clear. Depending upon age, if the conversation has been had and the woman has made it clear that it's important to her and factoring in age and any speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 08:58 PM
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Did you just wake up one day and decide you wanted a different life and it all changed or was it something that took a substantial amount of time and effort, failure, trial/error, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 09:59 PM
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And how did you two meet?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:33 AM
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Option 1 doesn't pan out because more and more women are open to casual sex/fwb the more time goes on. These are including women who are looking for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 11:24 PM
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Then I'm sorry to say you're eliminating a huge portion of the male population. Those males are also most likely to be a better fit than the ones you're meeting online. Your perspective is absolutely ridiculous and I don't mean that in a hurtful way but it's genuinely tragic to see that this is now how women are thinking and it's no surprise you're getting the results you're getting. For the record, if I met a woman in person and she wanted all the details you listed of me before the first date,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 11:15 PM
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It's women who give sex, not men. It's women who allow sex to happen, not men. Enough women are out there giving away casual sex just as much as there are enough men out there who will have casual sex with any woman that can give it. This is a problem on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:50 PM
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This isn't a legit scientific experiment haha. There is no control group and no actual person-to-person interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:41 PM
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The men or the women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:36 PM
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Where did you get that data point?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:35 PM
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So what does the data indicate?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:34 PM
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They are, even if just for a specific point in time. Most women have offered casual sex at some point and in doing so, men know that casual sex can be had with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:33 PM
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Meet people in person. Take up hobbies and meet people there. I ride horses competitively, I hike, I hunt, I do beekeeping, I dance, I do volunteer work, I do live improv. There is no shortage of men walking around and most likely you'll meet better quality men in person than online. Honestly, women have to start approaching men at this point as well. The fact is that a massive percentage of men will never approach women anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:33 PM
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Fair enough, I agree with you there. The problem is that there are far more promiscuous women than you think there are, even the ones who claim they're looking for relationships/marriage. The problem you're encountering is happening on both sides. There are MANY women who are happy to engage in casual sex just as much as there are MANY men happy to get their dick wet with any chick they can get. Both are perpetuating the problem. That leave the rest of us on the sidelines who want something othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:30 PM
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The point is, the majority of women have openly given sex to guys at some point. Why should a guy now wait to have sex with her just because now she wants something more serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:18 PM
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This is categorically false. There are many men looking for a relationship but there aren't many women that are relationship/marriage worthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:15 PM
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At some point, most likely 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:13 PM
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But you're the one's who can say "no". If all these women are complaining about casual sex, then why are they offering casual sex to these guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:12 PM
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This exactly. She doesn't get that it's the women are engaging in the casual sex just as much as men. The only difference is the women are choosing who to have casual sex with whereas guys just want to screw whomever.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:10 PM
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Do you have any legit data to back this up? Most women walking around have gone through some hoe phase where they had plenty of casual sex so it's happening on both sides just the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:03 PM
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I highly recommend getting off the apps. They only perpetuate the problem you're highlighting which is casual sex and they make it easy for women to get pumped and dumped unless you're excercising extreme discipline and filtering guys meticulously.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:00 PM
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I thought women wanted to be like men and sleep around like crazy? I've now seen a handful of women off dating apps at parties casually hooking up with random guys and these are women purportedly looking for a relationship. So why is this only a guy issue? The way I see it, women are just as promiscuous, if not more so, than men at this point. The degeneracy is happening on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 02:54 PM
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Very well said man. More men need to internalize this from an early age. Patrice O'Neal was harping about this nearly 20 years ago and now it's at insane levels of stupidity and only getting worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:47 PM
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I think this post is irrelevant for two reasons and I'll use myself as an example. 1.) I'm 34 and spend probably 200+ hours in the gym annually between weightlifting and swimming. I dress impeccably well because I have a genuine passion for all things sartorial. I stay very well groomed. I'm exceptionally well read, speak multiple languages, highly educated, well traveled. I've played guitar for 12 years and recently started vocal coaching so I can put my music online, I dance, I ride horses com…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 08:58 PM
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In what span of time? Like you had sex twice in a few hours and then he was done? Was he not going down on you or doing anything in between?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 07:12 PM
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I'm curious as to what you define as keeping up with you? Are you saying that you had sex with these "older men" and they were done for the day after just one session?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 07:01 PM
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I don't know man, you'd have to really show me an example of what you define as attractive. I don't know how you're landing these women but my assumption is that you're a very attractive guy, probably tall, with great game. You're the exception and I bet you're far more attractive looks-wise than you think you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 06:36 PM
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Where/how'd you two meet? It's absolutely possible but I feel like as a man you really need a lot more game than with women around your age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 06:23 PM
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There is a difference between refusing to marry and being reluctant to marry. I'm reluctant to marry but want to. The problem is finding a woman that gives me enough incentive to take on that risk. I think many women in today's society don't understand that and for those of us who are affluent and bachelors are on the sidelines puzzled as to how many women expect to get married when they bring very little to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 06:13 PM
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I think looks maxing is important but not as important as it might seem. I'm 5'9", 170lbs at 12% body fat, take impeccable care of my health, dress very well, stay very well groomed and have been like this for years and it hasn't at all helped with women honestly. I see attractive women every day with scrawny men who dress like shit with horrible grooming. I think the second set (skills/charm/behaviors/status) is far more important yet far harder to possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:30 PM
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Hmmm. Very interesting. In my experience, your last two bullet points are the most important. I've seen men (myself included) get everything else right but still struggle big time with the last two points and still not get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:12 PM
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Very interesting. How did you go from a 5 to a 9? What metrics are you using to quantify that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 08:27 PM
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Yea but this is just one side of it. Not saying you're wrong but I can name many people in my life in the exact same situation that you described, but it's the women who became complacent, inattentive, demeaning, selfish, etc. This happens on both sides. To say that a lot of men become complacent and them implying that it's just a male issue isn't factual in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:56 PM
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I'm 34, fit, wealthy, educated, and crazy disciplined so I got all that down. I have experienced the substantial decline of women I've known since high school/college. The hottest, sexiest girls I knew from my teens/20s are now all so overweight, they're barely recognizable. So I do have that perspective if that is what you're eluding to and yes, it is very profound and that perspective gives you insight on women in general and what to pursue/look for. Correct or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:09 PM
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Where would you recommend one to learn? Good teachers are hard to come by...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 10:09 PM
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Are you saying the percentage of promiscuos women is far smaller than it really is?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:59 PM
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It's a crazy world we live in and I think shallowness factors into this (could be where IQ factors in as well).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:44 PM
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Yea, that's true. I guess there is two layers to this though. Dudes actually doing it and then dudes sharing it across the internet. A girl I know with a pretty solid following (20k) found deep fakes of her pictures nude on the internet and decided to pull all her old content. Since then, she doesn't post anything sexual in any way but the damage is done. I think any women with enough content is in danger of this but most don't seem to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:34 PM
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Exactly. I would assume the issue is that most women like the validation to the extent that they don't care their content can be exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:21 PM
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Of course not. Too many people are treating each other like shit and it's the worst online.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:01 PM
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I'm not, I'm saying that is what OP is suggesting, not me. The whole point of this post is that unattractive guys are starting out creepy right from the get go just because they're unattractive. I'm not saying I agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:50 PM
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Props to you for keeping it conservative on social media. I don't think women realize how much their pictures and videos are used by guys to jerk off, fantasize, etc. It's validation at some point but most women don't seem to care at all about being so exposed on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:41 PM
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Yea but you're getting the attraction first, creepy second. I think what OP is saying that right off the bat, if a less attractive guy approaches you, he's already starting on some level of creepiness just because he isn't attractive, then it's either reinforced creepiness or he turns out to not be creepy. Attractive guy, on the other hand, starts off in a much better place and only is seen as creepy when he dishes out a big dose of creepy. You seem to not give the attractive guy as much leeway …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:32 PM
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Looks definitely give you an advantage. How much is difficult to measure I would assume. A smooth, confident, average looking guy will do far better than a creepy good looking guy. I guess it would really come down to how we're defining looks though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 05:15 PM
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I misread the scenario then. So you're saying it boils down to just looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 03:34 PM
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Yea but that just boils down to men filtering themselves and being afraid of offending women, losing her, etc. Is that all there is to the creep factor or is that just one example?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 03:24 PM
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Cheers man, I'll check it out. I know of Jung but haven't delved deeply in his work. Thinking in terms of abundance is something I've had major issues with for a long time so I'm always looking to get to the source and how to solve this.
/r/seduction05/06/24 10:01 PM
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Very interesting, I appreciate the psychoanalysis. You seem very well versed in this. Did you have go through a rewire yourself or did you study psychology?
/r/seduction04/06/24 03:32 PM
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Curious as to how someone rewires their brain for abundance mindset?
/r/seduction03/06/24 08:39 PM
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I would say most likely yes, just because you're a woman. A man asking you for a cigarette can definitely be his way of approaching but there is always a chance he just wanted a cigarette and isn't into you (if this was indoors and not in the smoking area, I would assume he was into you since you can't smoke indoors anyways). Being smooth takes effort and being relaxed and genuine. It's great that you're asking these questions and I wish more women did just to see how much effort we go through t…
/r/seduction31/05/24 07:02 PM
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Bars/Clubs can be tricky. Unless you're dancing with them, it's really hard not to come off as approaching since everyone is kind of with their own group or solo. You'll just have to be okay with the "cold approach" feel in those settings. At other events, if they're interested, get to know them, ask them about their life, what they enjoy doing. Start touching them, touch their arm or their hand, smile a lot, hold eye contact a lot, keep your body close to theirs, etc.
/r/seduction31/05/24 03:30 PM
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You should be able to naturally have a conversation in these venues without "cold approaching". Any approach is going to be "cold", even just a "hi" until you actually converse so don't think of it as some tactical manuever you have to undergo to speak to a guy. Put yourself near him and you should be able to start a conversation just from something happening in the moment (he grabs you to go dancing or you talk about a game you like at a game night, etc).
/r/seduction31/05/24 05:34 AM
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Gotcha, that makes sense. Thank you for the clarification.
/r/seduction30/05/24 06:45 PM
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Isn't that happening on some level until enough rapport/attraction is built though? Or are you saying that at some point, she will clearly show she's not attracted and that is when you have to call it quits and move on?
/r/seduction30/05/24 06:09 PM
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Can you expand on what his mindset should be? He's definitely scared which, as you've eluded to, is what is contributing to the lack of success in the interaction.
/r/seduction30/05/24 04:25 PM
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There is definitely not much out there regarding finding a woman who is wife material. I would say clearly define what you value most in a woman you'd want to be with for a long time and be the mother of your kids. Then, think of where such women with these values would be and go there.
/r/seduction30/05/24 04:14 PM
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Can you expand on that? You're saying he has to just be himself?
/r/seduction30/05/24 04:09 PM
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Where are you meeting these people? Regarding your girlfriends, it's getting very rare for men to approach women so what you're describing is possible sadly.
/r/seduction30/05/24 04:06 PM
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It might sound like mumbo jumbo but possibly the energy you're putting out. When you're not wanting to meet people, it's possible you're much more relaxed and open with your body language since you're not even thinking about it. You're just going about your day. Conversely, when you're wanting to be approached, it's possible you're just trying too hard and it's coming across as being strange or closed off in some way. It sounds counter intuitive but I can only view if from the perspective of a m…
/r/seduction30/05/24 04:05 PM
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If it's just sex that is wanted, then its fine, that I understand. Lying is a tactic well known to humankind long before red pill was in existence. Children are masters at lying and manipulation. It doesn't change the fact that women are terrible at vetting men in today's world. Why don't they learn to pick better men is the important issue that women can't seem to answer so I'm asking you, why can't/aren't women learning to choose better?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 06:21 PM
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Wouldn't you agree that women need to just be better at selecting men? I can imagine most women don't like getting "pumped and dumped" but if it's a common occurrence, who is to blame in that situation? Couldn't she have said "no" at any point before sex happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:56 PM
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I never said that the data is all lies. Where did you get that from?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 03:41 AM
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My claims, then, would be anecdotal. How else could we prove this other than observation? I had many female friends throughout college and almost all of them were promiscuous, the more attractive, the more promiscuous they were. Where is your data to prove otherwise? You really believe most women (aside from those in long term relationships) are just celibate for all the years they're single in their teens and 20s?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 06:37 AM
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You've probably got confidence and great game, that is why. It's very much possible if you have those two.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 06:31 PM
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Not necessarily. How about we round up to 4? I definitely don't think she's average and I'm not like the other guy who only dates 9/10 women, at best I date 6.5s. It comes down to taste. To me she's below average and apparently she's really tall which I don't find attractive especially since it looks like she's a bit thick.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:37 PM
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I didn't even know who this person is but after a quick interwebz search I very much agree she's a 3.5 and looks to be a pretty big woman too. Definitely well below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:30 PM
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What are the chances that a decently attractive young woman will be unlucky in sex and have a low n count? I'm genuinely curious as to how that scenario even exists in the modern world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:49 PM
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From what I understand, most "sex partner" surveys are all self-reported which isn't exactly accurate data.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 02:50 PM
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Wouldn't you say a substantial amount of college students are heavily into hookup culture? I doubt that comes out to a few percent of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 02:59 PM
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This is very interesting. It seems religious circles are the last places to find trad people, at least in the big cities and even that isn't a guarantee. I know trad people tend to not be in the larger cities and are probably more concentrated around the farming industry for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:14 PM
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Very true, I'm not saying men are any better. Wanting to get married is completely different than rushing into marriage, come on. I want to get married. I don't want to rush into it with someone I barely know and neither should the woman. As such, I'd like to cultivate a relationship with someone for some time before I put a ring on her finger so I can know who this person is and vice versa. I don't have that option with women in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 08:59 PM
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I am aware of that but my experience with women in their 30s hasn't been pleasant. A lot of it goes back to the baggage you spoke of, most are just not in shape, and most want to rush you into a commitment/marriage without barely any time spent knowing each other. Maybe I sound like an asshole but this is what I'm dealing with and it's not fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:19 PM
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I definitely get what you're saying and it is the baggage that I keep running into among other things. And I agree, as one get's older, the more likely you're ending up with leftovers. I accept responsibility for waiting this long to find someone, I prioritized career over everything else and now I'm dealing with this. Ideally I'd love to find someone in their mid twenties but age gap relationships are not very common. I put that up about myself to indicate that my financial life is in order and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:09 PM
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I think your judgment of guys in that age bracket is a bit harsh. 34M here that can provide most women with a life they could never experience on their own or with most guys. I would love to get married but finding marriage-quality women in Los Angeles isn't exactly easy. I made a mistake waiting this long as I prioritized career into my early 30s, but dating here is miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 06:45 PM
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Where do you live and where did you find these women? Are these women attractive and in shape? They openly told you they're virgins? I live in Los Angeles which isn't exactly a city known for conservative women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 08:38 PM
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The problem with all this is that the body count post keeps moving. Lets say you're right in that we shouldn't value virginity. Fair enough. Then how about a woman who has been with less than 5 guys? 10 guys? Those numbers are getting harder and harder to find in modern women. My personal experience indicates that the more men a woman has been with, the more emotional and psychological baggage she comes with. So, speaking for myself, if valuing virginity is too high of a standard, and if it's be…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 08:13 PM
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Fair enough. Then how about a woman who's been with less than 5 guys? That's getting as equally rare as finding a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 08:03 PM
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"Top men want what they define as Top women. They don't exist". That's an interesting point. What do you think those Top Men define as Top Women? I'm assuming it's the 18yo traditionally feminine virgin you've often spoken of which is definitely a unicorn in today's world.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 07:40 PM
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Agreed, the men have to be in just as good, if not better, shape if they want an in-shape woman. And most men are definitely either super scrawny or fat so men aren't doing any better than women but I'm not pursuing men so my focus is on the weight issues of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 09:48 PM
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You'd need to see a picture of me to determine if you think I'm facially attractive but I've got a very defined jawline and get compliments from women all the time. I have a lot of fun in my life and I have a very wide social circle as a result of all my hobbies/passions I've spent many years painstakingly cultivating. I dance competitively, I do improv, I ride horses several time a week, I'm a member of a few very exclusive kink clubs in my city. I also do a lot of charity/volunteer work throug…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 09:36 PM
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That could definitely be true with respect to the metabolism/genetics but even that doesn't seem to be helping younger women nowadays. I see 18-22 year old women that are overweight. It is sad that something as simple as being fit is so rare among women. I spend hundreds of hours in the gym/pool every year. I spend many thousands of dollars on diet/supplements, blood work, PT, chiro, massage therapy, training, etc. I have a profound passion for health and fitness and I expect the same out of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 07:27 PM
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It depends on the man. I'm 34, take impeccable care of my health and physique, own a really nice house, make really good money, well traveled, educated, etc. I've suffered through shit in life that many would have drunk or drugged themselves to death at this point. I have every right to have a high standard for someone I want to marry and have kids with (no, I don't want a 10/10 big boob/big lips/big ass blonde). The age issue of women, in my personal experience, is that past the age of 25, most…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 06:16 PM
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Women have fallen far more in quality than men have. It's not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 06:02 PM
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She kept calling him babe. I don't see any other reason why a girl would call a guy that if she wasn't his girlfriend, or at the very least, someone she's dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 05:02 AM
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You all have this completely backwards is this is the apporach you're taking. The pressure isn't to have kids. The pressure is to find a great man to have kids with. If your priority is to have kids as early as possible, yes you'll feel the pressure and most likely have kids with someone not really fit to have kids with in the first place. If women spent their late teens/early 20s looking for a great man worth marrying, the kid issue would solve itself by the time you got to your late 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:36 PM
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They were way too young to be wealthy, these were two people in their early 20s. Even if he was something else, funny, charming, etc. it all starts with confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:51 PM
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Saw a guy at the gym with an absolutely STUNNING girlfriend. The guy was as tall as her (probably 5'2" max), wore oversized shorts, flip flops, and a Kobe shirt. At best the guy was average, if not below average. She was obsessed with him. It all comes down to confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:45 PM
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In that example, yes, I would believe her haha. But I appreciate the psychology and communication lesson, I get what you're saying. You're a pro man, at 34 I'm still learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 07:19 PM
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Haha that's the secret man, I don't think I have what you do. Or I just don't believe most women when it comes to that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:45 PM
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That's interesting that you've found most don't lie about body count. I would think most would lie since they know it's generally looked down upon, at least by men who have their shit together and want to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:30 PM
1

Very interesting. So how do you deduce that they had previous one night stands? You just ask them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:21 AM
1

How long of a time frame are we talking when you said they made you wait? Or rather, how much time would have to pass to make you consider it something of a good quality? A few dates? A few months?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 09:00 PM
1

How do you determine what is a chad leftover in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 09:20 PM
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The grindset can become what prevents you from finding a partner if you’re not putting yourself out there. This is what I did throughout my 20s and I regret it. I missed out and most everything people do in their 20s: hooking up, parties, going out with friends. Now I'm in my early 30s and I want to live it up but it's not nearly as easy as it was a decade ago. And I'd like to be married with kids by the end of my 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:47 PM
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