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It's easier to be a 35 year old man in dating than it is to be a 35 year old woman. The loss of youth impacts woman's smv far more negatively than it does a man's. A lot of men here take it to a ridiculous degree though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 12:32 AM
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I think it is good that some men don't want daughters. I have said over and over that men who believe that women are over the hill by 25 while men never age out of attracting young women should select for sons. Men who believe that men have more good years and are higher morally should have sons only if they have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 01:53 AM
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I don't think my life would be any easier. Being a woman sucks but being a man is no better. I am used to the disadvantages of being a woman and would rather take them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 09:14 PM
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Men are also made more attractive by preselection. A lot of this "high n men are low value too" is just wishful thinking by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 10:17 PM
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I always thought of the words "chad" and "alpha" to describe attractive and high status men. It's much easier to use one more than be like "he is risk taking, hot, assertive, and high in social status".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 07:58 PM
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Doesn't Japan do something like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 02:20 AM
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I have seen this guy routinely say only men can love their spouses and children and that men have higher existential questions. If he views aggression as bad, it would be quite hard to admit that women as a whole are less likely to display it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 08:01 PM
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Not being a pushover is different than being an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 02:08 PM
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What are some examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 11:09 PM
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PPD is cyanide for your mental health. I try to avoid spending too much time here. Hope you're feeling better.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 10:18 PM
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No. I think everyone has a right to die if they deem their life to be unbearable. This disportionately effects the poor in my experience. Many of them got fucked over by a predatory medical system.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 10:48 PM
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. But I know that isn't the norm for many guys I could just live under a rock but I don't see this epidemic of men wanting unhealthy thin women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 10:15 PM
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Everyone wants the best for themselves. A lot of the people advocating against measures that intend to help those with less pretend it is for the benefit of everyone while it really is just for the benefit of themselves and their fellow lucky few. I don't think it is possible to have a society without a bunch of people worse off and suffering their whole lives due to that. I just wish we would drop the pretense of caring and let those who deem the continued harms and costs of life unbearable a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 10:09 PM
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This thread is weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 09:53 PM
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PPD men say they want young women because they find them more attractive, not because they believe young women have a different nature. There are a lot of studies on N count and risk of marital instability. The best indication of future behavior is past behavior and it shows in pretty much every study worth it's salt. PPD Men say they want young low N women because they benefit more from being in a relationship with those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 09:52 PM
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Can't the same be said about anything? Everyone could have experienced a much better peak in life if they could go back in time and do x, y, and z.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 12:48 AM
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This idea that every fair skin person with nice skin at 30 applied sunscreen every 20 minutes of their lives is nonsense I agree but most people who apply sunscreen will be in a better position than if they hadn't. The same cannot be said for most anti aging creams.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 11:33 PM
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I never denied genetics. But how much sun exposure you have is a massive contributor in how old you look. Plenty of people don't wear sunscreen Usually because they already have dark skin. There is a reason most exceptional agers aren't fair skinned.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 10:16 PM
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The only cream that truly works to a significant degree is sunscreen. The thing is, you have to start using that young to post pone that loss of youthful glow. And even then you are only putting off the inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 10:09 PM
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the physical traits that women value in men are immutable. Facial harmony is immutable in both men and women. For men facial harmony peaks a little bit later and their SMV isn't only put in one basket (youth).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 05:12 AM
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-occasional psychedelic drug use I'm guessing non psychedelic drug use is a hard nope?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 12:13 AM
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I think N count hits some peoples' sacred cows. It has always puzzled me how people can accept their is no afterlife, or justice in the world, and how they will never see their loved ones again and yet they also get offended by the idea that there are some inherent differences in male/female sexuality. I guess we have been conditioned to believe there are no differences and have no defense mechanisms in place when the often disheartening truth comes out
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 11:13 PM
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This is something that has confused me about this sub. Plenty of men saying they don't want a woman over 25 and then complain that women don't love men for their essence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:57 PM
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There has always been tons of radfems here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:45 PM
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e invested; fertility can be either used or wasted. A man does not take anything away from a woman when she decides, out of free will, to have a family and kids with him (not "for" him) instead of dying alone and being eaten by cats. I analyzed share of childless people among prominent historical figures But she could have chosen someone else to have children with instead of giving those most valuable years she could never get back to him. Relationships are a transaction of value for everyone. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:40 PM
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Kim, J., Lee, K.-S., Kim, D. J., Hong, S.-C., Choi, K. H., Oh, Y., . . . Lee, K.-U. (2015). Characteristic risk factors associated with planned versus impulsive suicide attempters. Clinical Psychopharmacology and Neuroscience, 13(3), 308–315. http://www.sprc.org/news/planned-impulsive-suicide-attempts
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:02 PM
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Youth is part of who the person is. Youth is what someone is at the moment, not who they are. . Just LTRing a younger female partner isn't. A man, whose earning potential and assets are growing, is providing for a woman whose youth is vanishing. Dating/marrying a man for his genetics and resources is much more opportunistic than dating and especially marrying a woman for her youth. You are just describing the exchange of value, resources for fertility. I could say a I could say it is better to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:52 PM
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The South Korean study I linked.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 04:11 AM
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First,I would like to see those studies that support your claim that most suicides are drunk impulsive suicides. As for this: "Previous estimates from the CDC have indicated that approximately 22% of suicides involve blood alcohol content (BAC) levels at or above the legal limit.5 The CDC has also indicated that 20% of suicides involve opioids (such as heroin and prescription opioid painkillers), 10.2% marijuana use, 4.6% cocaine use, and 3.4% amphetamine use." https://www.alcohol.org/alcoholism…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 12:29 AM
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I don't know, kindness, moral character, sense of humor, attention to her needs and desires, respecting her as a person, Why do men not value women for those things instead of their youth. The truth is, those have little value for the genetic quality of your children and their future. If they did, women and men would select for them. not committing homicide and violence?!!! Women attracted to these traits survived for a reason. Those who didn't got culled in the same way men most attracted to wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 12:18 AM
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Furthermore, within the most utilised method, intentional drug overdose, ‘Serious Suicide Attempt’ (SSA) was rated significantly more often for males than females (p < .005). I already said this is based off the medical details of their suicide and not some sort of psychological evaluation. So even when men commit suicide using the same methods,the lethality of their suicide attempt is still higher.If it all boils down to men being more violent,then how do you explain that? You are judging someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 12:04 AM
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I mean, it's literally an indication of how worthless they view their life after their partner has passed... It's not the only indicator though. There are people who kill themselves while in much better situations who do not kill themselves. Interestingly, black Americans have a lower suicide rate than white Americans and less developed countries can have lower suicide rates than developed ones. Individually there are wealthy people who kill themselves while poor sick people don't. Women are muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 04:27 AM
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And once again, if they actually intend to die then they're going to make sure they go all out with whatever method they're using. What makes you think they are "only" taking a handful of sleeping pills? What makes you think someone has the time to consider and read information of the very few poisons that work and the specific ways to prepare those poisons so they work. Most people are woefully unaware of that. When it comes to poisons, even swallowing a whole bottle is likely to fail. It's jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 04:25 AM
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And women are just better at killing newborns, yeah, strengths and weaknesses and complementations. Who commits more homicides in total? Who is likely to use more violent methods compared to poisoning to kill someone? What else should men value women for? What else should women value men for but their genetic quality and resources? I am just saying that everyone is opportunistic in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 04:23 AM
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You gotta be your best self That is what most people are thinking when they say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 04:14 AM
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Yes, women who actually committed suicide had no difference in suicidal intent, as the abstract explains. That's because those women actually intended to kill themselves. Those women who committed suicide in the study used the same methods as other women people here say weren't serious. Method affects success rate but doesn't mean much for intent to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 04:01 AM
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I am saying that they should at least perform an evaluation on the person instead of look at a medical report of their suicide. This basically entails what happened and the treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:31 AM
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Suicidal intent As far as I'm aware, it dictates someone's intent to die vs a call for help.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:41 AM
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Because the convenience of swallowing pills is that you can regulate your dose depending on how badly you actually want to die. If she's ready to full-send and actually kill herself then she can chug the whole bottle. Studies have found that most people (both men and women) do suicide impulsively and a large percent are drunk or otherwise intoxicated when they do it. They are most likely not calculating that since suicide for both genders most often happens in a flurry of emotion. They desperate…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:36 AM
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As I said, men handle the loss of a loved one far worse than women. They are multiple times more likely to end their life as a result. I am saying that suicide is not the measure of how much someone grieves their loss. There is a host of reasons why someone could be equally miserable but not commit suicide. The OP said men and women grieve lost relationships similarly, this can be extrapolated to losing them due to death. quickly overcome their grief and attach themselves to the next most domina…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:19 AM
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Yes, once they had already committed suicide. Are you not reading what you linked? Yet they used the same methods those other attention whores used. Why wouldn't women using similar methods also have an intent to die?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:18 AM
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The article I linked found no difference in womens' and mens' desire to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:04 AM
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Did the OP said men grieved more? Not committing suicide doesn't mean one isn't grieving.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:04 AM
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The OP said this. "The increase after divorce is roughly the same for both sexes, which is surprising given that women are more often to initiate divorce and initiative tends to be associated with lower post relationship grief. It is in line, though, with men and women self-reporting about the same intensity of post-relationship grief (Morris & Reiber, 2011)."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:59 AM
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Only opportunistic in that if you want the healthiest babies possible Women are only opportunistic to want someone who can look after their babies while they are at their most vulnerable and for having the audacity not to give their bodies and their most fertile years away for free. Everyone is opportunistic in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:58 AM
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Men are better at it because their impulsivity and lower disgust for violence helps them. Doesn't mean there aren't women who want to die or who genuinely attempt suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:57 AM
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Add on: I read more of this and it is even worse than I thought. "The judgement about the suicide intent of the presenting cases was made by clinical staff based on the available information on the suicide attempt, and therefore was not self-report" This was done just by looking at the suicide attempt in a medical report, not ever having talked to the person or had them evaluated.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:50 AM
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I am grouping them together on the basis that they are seen as unfair to women in the same way this guy sees the west as unfair to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:41 AM
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"Women who commit suicide use less violent methods, such as drugs and carbon monoxide poisoning, than do men, who more often use violent methods such as guns and hanging. Theories that attempt to explain this finding focus on gender differences in suicidal intent, socialization, emotions, interpersonal relationships, orientation and access to methods, and neurobiological factors. Data from a psychological autopsy study were used to test the theory that women who commit suicide use less violent m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:18 AM
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Oh please, a man who chooses gun, hanging or jumping from a high building is much more serious about killing himself than a woman who swallows 10 sleeping pills Not what studies show. "Women who commit suicide use less violent methods, such as drugs and carbon monoxide poisoning, than do men, who more often use violent methods such as guns and hanging. Theories that attempt to explain this finding focus on gender differences in suicidal intent, socialization, emotions, interpersonal relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:17 AM
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Most suicide methods that don't involve effort, reading, and planning are violent. Men are more violent and choose more violent methods that are more effective when someone is just impulsively trying to kill themselves like most suicide attempts are. Add on: Basically men find shooting themselves and jumping off of bridges easier for the same reason they find doing those things to someone else to be easier. Most of the people applying for psychiatric euthanasia in countries like the Netherlands …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 12:42 AM
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If a man is married in his early 20s, then it could be argued that he wouldn't be perpetually valuing youth and fertility (assume the marriage lasts for life). Male cheating goes up as the couple ages. https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america Men put less effort into mate guarding older wives, regardless of relationship length. On page 15 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326955512_Why_Is_Age_So_Important_in_Human_Mating_Evolved_Age_Preferences_an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 12:41 AM
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An easy way to fuck a woman way out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 12:16 AM
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80% of suicides are male. Men are just better at committing suicide. I would also like to see the data for couples in their 40s and 50s. may be evidence of women's less intense and opportunistic love style, Isn't valuing women for their fertility and youth "opportunistic"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 12:02 AM
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This is what happened in many societies, powerful men would often marry girls in their early teens. Trafficking and sexualization of underaged is pretty common because the legal cut off of 18 is a cultural thing. Studies have found that 16-24 year old prostitutes make the most money. I'm pretty sure that if all cultural programming was removed, men would pursue 16-24 year olds the most and would pursue girls a few years below that age range too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 11:04 PM
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I always define mine but whatever is happening around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 04:38 AM
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Better with time how? In terms of facial attractiveness, no. In terms on attracting young women, no. Older men are most attractive to the older women they call "post wall hags". I know you're probably going to bring up outliers, I am looking at what happens statistically. And yes, these are facts Here are some of my favorite facts about age gap relationships. 5% of marriages involve a 10+ year age gap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships#Statistics Men are much les…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 09:20 AM
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I heard the story and within just the setup I knew that shit was going to go bad for her How did it happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 08:18 AM
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Ohfercryinoutloud! Having seen it done both ways, I think the bullet is actually kinder than the needle. (Most animals object to being handled by a stranger, and obviously an injection is at least mildly painful, whereas the bullet is just "lights out.") You're right but we're biased towards methods of death that seem medical and nonviolent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 07:55 AM
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What type of gun did she use?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 07:53 AM
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Damn the wall started at 30, moved to 25, and now it's 22. I hope guys here saying it's all downhill for a woman before her brain finishes developing select for a son if they ever decide to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 07:33 AM
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I don't even mind bitter and disenchanted people. It's just the people who take glee in the hypothetical and real suffering of others that I try to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 05:03 AM
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What do you mean by equality? Is it being the same as your partner in every way or just equal opportunity and choice for every member of society?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 02:14 AM
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This sub seems to have it's fair share of weirdos from both genders. My guess is reddit doesn't attract the most mainstream people (because of being relatively anonymous and impersonal) , this effect is amplified in certain subreddits. Being filled with weirdos and bitter people also makes sure most normal people will leave PPD eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:15 AM
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A lot of those ideas like the wall have a lot truth in them but are taken to extreme degrees and then become ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 11:19 PM
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Finally someone who sees the slow decay that life is as sad instead of getting some weird pleasure from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 11:16 PM
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For most people, sex is part of a loving and fulfilling relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 04:44 PM
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Polygamist societies have more violence and even if women all start sharing attractive men, they won't get the same treatment by him. Women would also most likely be fighting with their sister wives/girlfriends over resources for their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 02:03 AM
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Women have a smaller window of fertility. Because of this they men stay sexually attractive longer. Its not 'Men Are Wonderful Effect' its biology. Some RPs takes this to a ridiculous degree, but a few RPs being ridiculous does not show/prove the 'men are wonderful' effect. Aren't the men (and this sub is awash with them) who take this notion to ridiculous degrees exhibiting a case of the "men are wonderful" effect? It's seems like that plus a dash of that natural fear of the slow but steady det…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 01:54 AM
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Did you remember the faces of homeless women regardless of age or attractiveness? Not trying to do a "gotcha" question, genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 01:19 AM
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You mean an exact replica of the person to the molecule but you remove all the consciousness/their personality traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:58 PM
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I have had out of body experiences. I could literally feel myself separate from my body and float around. This all happens when I about to go to sleep and sometimes I have to force myself into my body again so I can sleep. They are just hypnagogic hallucinations but they seem supernatural.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:52 PM
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It has been confirmed, why else would older fathers be associated with lower IQ, autism, and mental illnesses like bipolar and schizophrenia? Add on: Everything breaks down with time. Just because the male reproductive system ages slower than the female one, it still ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:44 PM
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I remember someone here said "men and women are more alike than they are different but sexuality is the area where they are at their most different". It really seems to be true. There is far more intragender commonality than intergender commanality in terms of sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 10:13 PM
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Average age is 50 I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 07:20 AM
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A man can make up for age if he has status and resources. Only 5% of marriages involve a man making of for his age and even that involves a much higher divorce rate. Some women are able to keep the wall back for a long time, doesn't matter statistically. Well-off women don't place more emphasis on "good looks" They used to place zero (or very little) emphasis on looks since marriages used to not be based in attraction. If this were true, age gap relationships would be way more common. Women are …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 06:17 AM
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I think he does a really good job highlighting the sadness of the human condition. I knew a guy who was bedridden from chronic fatigue and in constant pain. Despite all the suffering and having the means to end himself peacefully, he couldn't do it. He said something along the lines "it's hard to wake up and say this is the day I poison myself". He was just horrified by the idea of his own death. Looking back, I am reminded of this Ernest Becker quote. “What does it mean to be a self-conscious a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 05:25 AM
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We have recently become a lot more idealistic about marriage, for most of history people did not marry because of love and attraction. They married because 1 family had chickens and a watering hole and the other had cows and a ranch. How would this shift not affect womens' behavior? Instead of relying on a man to support them, they can pick someone they are attracted to. Yes hypergamy means they will go for someone who makes more but when they go for someone who makes more, they don't want that …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 05:04 AM
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purpose of garnering a relationship they are prostituting Why is that? Men get more out of sex than women evolutionarily speaking. Besides a woman who has sex with men just because they are hot and not caring about a relationship will rack up a high n count. Not just that, but it doesn't seem like the path to happiness for most women. Doesn’t have to be. No one will care about someone in any area of life if they don't have something to offer. Even even parents would walk past their child homeles…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 03:40 AM
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Yeah. A lot of red pill and black pill words are just more catchy everyday terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 03:14 AM
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There you have it. Buss directly contradicts you again. The more "career" a woman has, the more she cares about resource gathering potential in a man. Yet the less she picks or is coerced into choosing someone twice her age to survive. Women used to not select for sexual attraction at all and now it is part of the equation in how they select someone. That is why they tend to prefer slightly older or same age men instead of wanting 10+ year old men. I am not saying women are willing to become bre…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 03:07 AM
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Add on: Statements like "the wall is real", "men who date women 10-20 years younger in their 30s and 40s are outliers", and "women should try to find someone when young" can all be true at the same time. You seem to think they are mutually exclusive. It's a side note because I talking about numbers here while the wall is a concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 12:54 AM
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You said women only dated older men because they were forced to. This is blatantly wrong. It's quite clear that when women don't have to choose a partner for purely practical purposes the average age gap goes down. Your shining example of the Netherlands shows an age gap similar to other western countries and even if it didn't, there can be outliers. I wasn't talking about the existence of the wall, I was talking about the average age gap in marriages and sexual relationships. Here is where you …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 12:48 AM
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Ernest Becker. I loved his Denial of Death book.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 10:51 PM
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The Wall is the main topic here. And yet you responded to my post where I was talking about who women pick for marriage and sexual relationships. l. Just like how women can date younger men doesn't mean they will. I have already shown the double curve graph which clearly indicates that there is a non-insignificant portion of women who desire older men. Look at the graph, it's all about desirability, which affects leverage. Stop talking about who people end up marrying because it's irrelevant. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 10:36 PM
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Let's be clear what The Wall is about. We are talking about the pool of available partners that a man or woman can potentially date. Who they end up choosing to marry is up to them. I'm not talking about leverage or when someone should find a partner. I am saying that sexual relationships and marriage does not closely follow mens' preferences in age. If those men had a significant pool of young women to date, then marriages with a 10+ year gap would be a lot of more than 5%. This is all basic ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 08:15 PM
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Is it good for anyone at any age lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 09:58 AM
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People still slut shame all the time. Shaming is just part of dealing with people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 09:46 AM
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So was r/gendercritical not a reflection of radfem beliefs then?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 09:36 AM
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A maximum of 10 years is huge in terms of skewing the dating marketplace. I've already given you examples of countries with high-gender equality where women still prefer older men. And yet what is the average age gap is those countries compared to developing ones? The average age gap in the Netherlands is similar to other western countries, so obviously the minority of women who want husband 10 years their senior (remember the maximum range was 5-10, not just 10) are not skewing things significa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 09:27 AM
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Doesn't mean that other people didn't know about it and it isn't a look into what chunk of a group of people believe
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 06:11 AM
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It's a pretty good look into what a taboo group thinks. Also the alt right has a heavy presence online, it's not crazy to look at a site where many of them congregate to see what they believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 05:50 AM
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I used to lurk in far left and far right forums, the people at r/debatealtright were definitely red. If you believe in inherent sex differences then it's easier to believe in inherent racial differences. The reverse is also true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 05:43 AM
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So they should allow themselves to be used for casual when they want a relationship? exchange Everything is transactional and life. Men want the utility of sex and fertility. The sooner someone realizes that no one cares unless you provide some type of value, the less disappointing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 05:38 AM
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I was using it as example of no one really caring unless there is a reason to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 05:11 AM
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Another reason financial abortion isn't allowed is because it's bad for the government's bottom line. I wrote this awhile ago about the topic: Women are given their bodily autonomy (abortion) because it benefits the government to do so. There is less crime and they don't have to look after unwanted babies. Men are denied their bodily autonomy not because of feminism but because the government wants to saddle anyone but themselves for raising the child. Hence why men who aren't even the child's b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:31 AM
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"Significantly older" is a bit of a judgement call and depends on age. A woman dating someone 8 years older at 20 is dating significantly older but a 35 year old is not. I'm just saying that for most men, the ability to attract college girls at 37 is fantasy. This is obvious, women gatekeep sex and men gatekeep relationships, so what? That also includes marriage. Even beta buxing a much younger wife is harder and when it happens, the chance of divorce is much higher. https://www.reddit.com/r/Pur…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 02:30 AM
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They mean older in a significant sense. Sexual activity more closely follows womens' preferences https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners-is-Different-for-Men-and-Women/ Men marry women 3 years younger on first marriage, 5 years younger on second marriage, and 8 years younger on their third marriage. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326955512_Why_Is_Age_So_Important_in_Human_Mating_Evolved_Age_Preferences_and_Their_Influences_on_Multiple_Mating…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 01:59 AM
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I don't understand this and no one here laments how womens' SMV is eternal. This sub is awash with men saying how women are all over the hill by 25 while men don't age out of attracting women in their 20s until their 40s or 50s lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 12:39 AM
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Wouldn't men just say yes to every girl who is moderately attractive and then use many of them for sex? I could easily see that happening and that's if we even get women to all start approaching men and men to all stop approaching women. I knew many girls in school who really liked someone or were upset about never having dated but they wouldn't even think to ask them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 12:23 AM
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What do people here believe about financial abortions? I haven't seen any argument against them that can't also be used against abortion. I agree with the idea because men should have a right to the product of their work. It seems entitled (I know I made a speech against this word a few days ago lol) to expect to have full control over your reproductive future and then expect other people to finance whatever decisions you make.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 12:17 AM
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You don't need this poison at your age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 11:53 PM
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The perception of the woman, like Atlas said. The degree of the behavior also matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 07:17 PM
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Then explain why in this study by the same authors, Dutch women stated a preference of 5-10 years old, The study you quoted said most women in western countries want a smaller age gap. There can be exceptions to a statistical rule. Also you said Dutch women stated a maximum preference of 5-10 years older. women still prefer if they can get away with working less by leveraging the provider responsibility placed upon men Women have always worked, even under the so called patriarchy. The only diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 02:47 PM
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Do you think those strategies will work if the woman has something to offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 02:22 AM
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A correlation is just a correlation. That is true but this just seems like wishful thinking that the correlation is at least not partly caused by female choice. If men could control female sexuality like in the past, the age gap would go back to what it once was. Which was much more in line with mens' preferences. study itself concludes that women prefer older men. 1-4 years older, that is basically their peers. https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 04:50 PM
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Everyone becomes more jaded and cynical with age. It really says something about the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 04:49 PM
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A lot of the guys you see are upset that they missed out on a phase of their lives and are now just expected to skip to the next, with a woman who had the phase of life they desire so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 04:49 PM
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I have seen it happen before. Not sure if that was the only reason but it was a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 04:48 PM
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That same article you linked showed women in their 30s and 40s being rated "most beautiful". Those are popularity contests, not contests of "sexiness" Some of my favorite studies on age gap relationships https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/i3rkb6/blue_pillers_why_do_you_claim_the_red_pill_is/g0e0vmw/ https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners-is-Different-for-Men-and-Women/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 11:08 PM
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Then why is the age gap Gambia much larger than the age gap in the Western World? The studies I linked clearly showed a correlation between modernization and age gaps narrowing. You are saying that rich women are not going to marry down and that's true. But when women are allowed to choose, they pick someone they are attracted to and not a man twice their age just for resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 10:53 PM
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The average age gap goes down as gender equality increases. I don't think it is because young women find men 10 years older "creepy", it's just that they don't need to select for a man's money and have more choice to choose someone they are attracted to. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/i3rkb6/blue_pillers_why_do_you_claim_the_red_pill_is/g0e0vmw/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 11:52 AM
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Where do you find 30+ year old guys regularly dating college girls? You only see that in a bubble of money or less developed countries. A lot of the men you are talking about seem bitter that they missed out on their window to attract college aged women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:13 AM
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People can easily have the majority of their youthful attractiveness in their early 30s. Statistically speaking, men in their 30s and 40s are not dating college girls. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/i3rkb6/blue_pillers_why_do_you_claim_the_red_pill_is/g0e0vmw/ https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners-is-Different-for-Men-and-Women/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:00 AM
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A lot of the stuff talked about here is uncomfortable to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 09:35 PM
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We're all hypocritical in one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 07:09 AM
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I don't think that we can ever create a system where the people at the bottom (in all areas of life) truly get a decent deal and are happy. At best they will be unaware of how shitty they have it. The real question is how we mitigate the suffering of those who find themselves at the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 02:47 AM
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Pick me need FDS. Yeah I haven't read the book in detail but the stuff about knowing her worth and not wasting her time with guys who don't bring much to the table seems good. I think the main reason FDS catches so much flack is the 3 month no sex rule and expecting the man to pay for everything during that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 01:28 AM
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I think a lot of males here lack empathy for women. A lot of the guys who lack empathy have been burned by women in this past. It's hard to feel empathy when you are stewing in bitterness and want to use others as surrogates for your rage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 01:24 AM
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I keep seeing the world "entitlement" thrown around a lot. Most of the people who are called entitled just seem sad at the state of the world and don't literally believe they are entitled to someone's body, commitment, or emotional support. Oftentimes calling people entitled is a way to shut them up by shifting the focus away from their struggle and putting them on the defensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 10:45 AM
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I'm surprised that people were saying how bad it would be if we went extinct in the thread about societal collapse. A lot of the views people proudly espouse here seem incapable with caring about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 10:38 AM
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How does women being more sexually fluid make them solipsistic? The reason quality of sex is measured by the woman's pleasure is that women are much less likely to get any pleasure out of sex. When this is flipped (I have seen this in the asexual community with men), sex becomes about the man's pleasure. Solipsism here is generally defined as two things: assuming someone else's inner world is like your own or only caring about about what someone can do for you. The first is the typical mind fall…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 08:54 AM
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Lol so do you need a peer reviewed study or something? https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/sjsj15&div=19&id=&page= https://sites.psu.edu/raymondfriendportfolio/files/2016/04/Final-Draft-Bacha-Bazi.pdf IDK why are you so desperate to prove all men are "gay". When did I say all men are gay?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 08:48 AM
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I would have said the same thing if it was a female child. I speak about men fucking child prostitutes the same way. Quit trying to find victimhood where there is none.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 08:39 AM
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Just pick threw wikipedia's sources since you care so much about finding the truth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi Idk why are you so desperate to deny this happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 08:24 AM
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Kids were never rised by "a village", not even in native american tribes Not by the literally by village but kids were not raised by their parents alone. People would stay with their large extended families for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 06:50 AM
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https://renegadeinc.com/bacha-bazi/ https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 06:46 AM
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I hate the word emotional labor but people definitely will get drained if you lay too much of your problems on them. It's hard for people to handle or know what to say. How the hell will men learn how to open up (and to be vulnerable) being treated as a burden when they do so? You find some really close friends or create separate social circle for that. The latter is better for really heavy stuff that will permanently change peoples' opinions of you. Unfortunately, this is much more of a dilemma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 05:20 AM
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One thing that bothers me about feminism is it defines womens' success as economic success. Why should we want more female CEOs or political puppets? The women who take care of the sick and dying are far more valuable to me than a CEO. It doesn't even have to be about traditional gender roles since I find those slightly nauseating. Women who find happiness in male dominated activities are also more admirable than women who make a lot of money. I'm not a feminist but if I were, I would measure wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 03:17 AM
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I don't see why it is like pulling teeth to get people to admit this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 03:02 AM
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Historically and even today in Afghanistan, men will have sex with early adolescent boys. I'm pretty sure women's sexuality is more malleable than men's (based off of all the stories I hear of women realizing they were bi/gay later in life) but male sexuality seems more malleable than some people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 02:25 AM
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Go to the incelwiki and check out their "scientific blackpill" page. It seems to just be redpill with an emphasis on looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 02:49 PM
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The amount of effort it took to get humanity out of caves and onto the moon was more than "just curiosity", it was thousands of years of wanting more and realizing things could be better. I don't see why you are so desperate to deny that humanity advances when we strive for more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 07:30 PM
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You have to be dissatisfied to recognize the need for an innovation. We would have never invented fire if we were satisfied with the natural warmth of our environment and raw food. Every innovation is because we recognized something could be better and strived to make it happen. You have to want more and see the potential for more to do anything productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 06:49 PM
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No. Only that a lot female suicide attempts are self harm episodes and not a true attempt to extinguish themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:36 PM
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There is a book on amazon that tells you how to kill yourself painlessly.Men succeed more because they want it more. When asked how serious they were about their attempt, men report being more serious about wanting to die than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 04:32 PM
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"will never be enough" is part of human nature. If it wasn't no new innovations would ever have been created.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 06:47 AM
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How else are you supposed to assess happiness but through surveys? If you want to look at actions that indicate unhappiness like suicide, then men beat women by a landslide.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 06:12 AM
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Suicide rate is skyrocketing for both genders. More people say they feel lonely now than in the past. This seems to be just an unhappy time, it may correlate to women's rights but is there proof it was caused by it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 04:56 AM
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This is sad because it leads doctors to be more cold with patients. Ugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 11:17 PM
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Why would women want this? Men here talk about their libidos like it clouds their judgement and burdens them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 11:11 AM
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It's usually the complete opposite for me. Men tend to get crushes on me much more if I don't act like I would with my best platonic friends. I've always said the best way to keep male friends is to just be "crazy".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 05:21 PM
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And just arguing nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 06:20 AM
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I never lost faith in men or whatever. It makes no sense to hate someone because they have selfish drives of their own. I have always had a lot of good men in my life and many men do great things for society. As for becoming less cynical, I don't think I ever will. I've always had a negative view about life and coming here has enhanced it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 06:07 AM
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If you believe a woman is has no chance of finding a partner after 30 while men can date women in their 20s for the rest of their lives, then select for a son.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 10:29 PM
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are women really all dating and sharing the same men like incels seem to think? That seems to be the inescapable conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 09:28 PM
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The lack of happiness is only bad if you have created a being to feel deprived of it. The absence of pain even if no one exists to enjoy it is at worst neutral. Life is full of suffering one loses nothing by not existing, in contrast one loses everything (in the end) if they exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 08:59 PM
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lol women should just kills themselves after 30 according to people in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 08:33 PM
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That women don't have the burden of performance. That may be true but that's because women are only valued for their youth which fades a bit with each day. The guys complaining about needing to initiate, pay, and "perform" while also saying that men are valued for different things in the same breath want all the benefits of being female but not the drawbacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 07:16 PM
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These people don’t realize how they’re responsible for their own situation, or they do understand, but don’t care enough to change anything According to the people here those women can't do anything and might as well accept being alone or they should just kill themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 07:14 PM
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I agree with everything you said. It reminds me of this Ernest Becker quote “What does it mean to be a self-conscious animal? The idea is ludicrous, if it is not monstrous. It means to know that one is food for worms. This is the terror: to have emerged from nothing, to have a name, consiousness of self, deep inner feelings, an excruciating inner yearning for life and self-expression and with all this yet to die. It seems like a hoax, which is why one type of cultural man rebels openly against t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 07:02 PM
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That's small potatoes compared to an inability to reproduce. Not for a woman who we will be left in middle age alone with her children. The person you were responding to was talking about how to maximize the genetic fitness of children which does involve young sperm that's DNA hasn't degraded.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 08:20 AM
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And if it is dating apps, what do we do about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:34 AM
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There's nothing inherently wrong with a single gender space. In fact, it could be argued it is better to have a single gender space for dating strategy. FDS can definitely be criticized but not for not allowing male posters to come peacock or argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 11:39 PM
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Why would a man want someone who has just made their body a facsimile of what he is attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 10:01 PM
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That's just not a thing. Men can father children into old age. The genetic fitness of their children goes down though. Also if he is old is more likely to die and leave the mother in middle age with children by herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 09:55 PM
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Alaska is so beautiful but I don't know if I could tolerate 24/7 daylight and night.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:26 AM
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Oklahoma :(
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:24 AM
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If that were true you would see way more plain Janes with hot boyfriends. Most couples are looks matched because they couldn't get any better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:23 AM
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The average woman usually can't do better than an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:20 AM
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The stuff I get to see on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 12:27 AM
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A strong chin can be a masculine feature but high cheekbones, almond shaped eyes, and full lips are just classically beautiful features.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 06:29 PM
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I think a lot of them do choose to be single. Women who are single live longer and compared to men, have a lower mortality rate after divorce. Women 30-49 are the least likely to be single so clearly the wall isn't preventing them from finding someone, even though their options aren't what they used to be. I would assume “the truth hurts” is apt here. Yeah, the real world is too terrible to admit and the only way out is death.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 05:00 AM
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It's more accurate to say that mens' value as a partner peaks later than womens'. This is pointless softening of what I said. The bottom line is, if someone believes some flavor of "women are over the hill around the time their brain finishes developing and men stay in their prime into their 40s" then they should select for a son.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 04:56 AM
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I read somewhere that once you are fat and lose weight, it is much harder to keep it off than if you had never been fat at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 04:47 AM
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The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. High n women (and men) are more likely to cheat. For men this means an increased chance of being tricked into raising a child that isn't his.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 04:34 AM
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It's funny that the people most sensitive to the sun are the ones who tan the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 04:16 AM
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Every study worth it's salt shows men go for as close to 20-25 as they can get, from who men message on dating sites, to age of their wives in second and third marriages Honestly if men truly believe that women are all over the hill by 25 and men never age out of attracting 20 year olds then they should select for sons. Unfortunately humans aren't wired to think that way. I still don't respect them for not putting their money where their mouth is though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 04:14 AM
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And most men are stuck settling for older women anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 03:55 AM
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They have a biological advantage but it is squandered on not taking care of their skin and not watching that hairline.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 03:52 AM
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Men have leverage with the post wall women they claim to find repulsive. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/i3rkb6/blue_pillers_why_do_you_claim_the_red_pill_is/g0e0vmw/ https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners-is-Different-for-Men-and-Women/
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 03:49 AM
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That AITA post seems so fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 03:25 AM
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Look at young Brad Pitt and Jlo, even they can't hold a candle to their youths.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 03:16 AM
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Sunscreen is pretty essential for fair skinned people wanting to age well. It's not simping for the cosmetics industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 03:16 AM
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Male skin has to potential to age slower biologically due to things like a thicker dermal layer and more even fat distribution. Though men have a perceived age as slightly older than their chronological age due to not doing as much to look after their skin and hair loss. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11524516/ How well someone protects themselves from the sun is a far better predictor of how they will age than their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 02:38 AM
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I'm a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 08:39 PM
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Both men and women who sleep around have an increased chance of marital instability and cheating due to a genetic sociosexuality. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10743879/ However women haven't evolved to be repulsed by high N men due to always knowing who their children are. Regardless of what is fair or not, there will always be that double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 08:35 PM
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I don't think anyone is wired to be monogamous with someone for 30 years. We choose monogamy with our rational minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 03:46 PM
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A lot of those women seem mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 02:52 PM
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They either co opt religious values on the significance of human life or say abortion should be regulated "for society".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 12:52 PM
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That bit about atheists makes no sense. The only arguments I have seen atheist men use against abortion are either co opting religious philosophy or saying something along the lines of "abortion needs to be banned for the good of society to curb hypergamy".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 12:13 PM
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I have yet to hear a logically consistent argument as to why the assignation of significance to a human life should be arbitrary We already assign significance to human life when it comes to unplugging people in vegetative states or deciding who gets lifesaving organ donations. Saying all human life is of equal value regardless of circumstance is a religious statement. There are atheists who use that argument against abortion and suicide/euthanasia but they co opt religious philosophy for it. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 12:11 PM
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It is only ever used to shut down discussion about banning MGM. I've noticed the reverse. MGM and male rape is only brought up as a weapon against female issues. They are very rarely brought up as issues in and of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 05:15 PM
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Anyone who has kids who thinks we should stop suicide has at least a shred of positive thought on human life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 03:37 PM
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They started out with sexual desires before it got zapped permanently by antidepressants. I'm asexual and that's not what asexuality is. Women seem to be dumbfounded and awestruck by men that don't want to fuck them. Based on how men talk here, any moderately attractive young woman should be surprised lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 03:24 PM
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They did stop but the damage was permanent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 01:31 PM
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Come on, bringing that up is just low.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 11:49 AM
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Life in general is horrible. People just do their best to mitigate it, for some it is being a "good woman". I bet tappy is going to come screeching about dried up eggs and cat ladies but that is one of the many reasons life sucks and why less children is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 10:59 AM
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chaotic, random and meaningless universe. I wouldn't want to bring children in a universe like that. Almost none of the posters here should want kids if they actually believe the views they espouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 10:48 AM
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The only non-arbitrary way in which we can define the beginning of human life with any scientific support is at conception. That’s just the science of it. We can scientifically define when a human life begins but whether you assign any significance to that is not based in science. It seems like you have a religious value of human life and are trying to justify it secularly. Obviously a fetus is belongs to the human species and is human in the same way a fish egg is a fish but that doesn't overri…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 10:44 AM
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So in the past year I have met two guys who have turned asexual due to antidepressants. One turned asexual in his early 20s and was suicidal about it in his early 30s (when I met him). Another turned asexual at 21 and seemed much more chill about it. What would you guys do if that happened to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 10:41 AM
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I'm pretty sure religious men actually do think its a baby and feel compassion for it. It's the atheist men who just want to control women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 09:10 AM
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The first study you linked said women are more drawn to murder stories when they get to learn about the killers motive it even said women were much more drawn to true crime books with tips on how to protect themselves. So I doubt the motivation for reading those stories is erotic in nature. Men also have similar rates of violent submission fantasies (and also are less likely to separate fantasy from reality) yet aren't drawn as much to true crime. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF0154…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 09:04 AM
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it shows complete disregard for human life. Or it means someone values bodily autonomy over human life. Just as no one is obligated to give bone marrow, blood, or organs to another person, one isn't obligated to let anything use their uterus. If there is one thing you have in this life, it's your body. As a side note, I don't see how anyone keep hold the views many people espouse here and have a positive view of human life. Though that is a conversation for another day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 07:36 AM
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This is a great one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 06:54 PM
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I think it's mostly the 3 month no sex rule and making the man pay for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 03:52 PM
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Desired men gatekeep commitment. You see when hot guys have sex with girls they would never date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 02:38 PM
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Should we make a woman lying to get free food illegal? Should we make lying to get something done for you or some sort of item illegal?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 03:33 PM
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Because normal women are less likely to be drawn to this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 11:25 AM
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I imagine it depends on where you find them and how much you pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 10:24 AM
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I wouldn't care if he visited a prostitute because he was horny and wanted a quick and easy way to fuck a hot woman. If he was so undesirable that he couldn't get a woman attracted to him or was crazy enough to bring a prostitute to my house, then I would care.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 07:10 AM
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By that logic, men who date you are failures too? Yes, why else would men need to be paying for a woman's time like that? No one wants a loser son who is undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 07:04 AM
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Police states have been normalized in Australia to the an extent that would surprise most Americans, although it is slowly happening here too. I knew a girl who bought a curing salt online and had the police visit her house demanding to know what the salt is for. The salt wasn't one that can be used for bomb making or anything else like that but it can send someone off to sleep peacefully, forever. Whatever you think about that, I find the police monitoring online purchases and tracking people d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 05:55 AM
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If you want children of your own, it would be better to just pay a surrogate at that point. Paying a surrogate would basically be the male equivalent of those women who go to sperm banks and become single moms. It's not ideal for the child. Though no one has a child for the child's sake, not even the best parents. I would advise you to either do it the old fashion way (ltr/marriage) or adopt. I have met women who just wanted me to get them pregnant and I didn’t want to because I was young but no…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/20 04:54 AM
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Was it looksmax? If it was that site is owned by the same people who run incels.co and some other sites. The owners really do have their stuff down to a science on their sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 02:17 AM
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I don't think it's virtual signaling. Women are more likely to be drawn to the community, security, and meaning religion brings. In this age it also leads to them being more into pagan and horoscope stuff. I don't see how going to church and saying that "religion is very important to my life" on surveys is virtue signaling, especially since religion is not very popular in my generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 02:16 AM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 10:08 PM
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I think it's also the certainty and security religious belief brings. Also probably the same reason they are into horoscopes and similar stuff New agey and Pagan stuff brings the spirituality of religion without all restrictions of religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 07:59 AM
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Are you religious? I just notice it is mostly women that say they are religious or go to church.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 05:56 AM
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Has anyone else noticed women tend to be more religious/spiritual?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 05:10 AM
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But men have much lower standards for doing "anything" because they are hornier. Are those women willing to do anything for the right man just because of his cock or is it for other reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 02:51 AM
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Well if women were as thirsty as men, wouldn't they be as desperate as men for sex? If women's libidos matched men's their high standards would go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 02:07 AM
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If women were as horny as men, their standards would be like men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 11:29 PM
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Why do you think it will be easier to automate medicine?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 09:12 PM
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Isn't that much softer than how it is talked about here?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 09:00 PM
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Medicine because of the money and not having to hear a screeching drill.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 08:42 PM
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Men want to be valued for their bodies, women want to be valued for their accomplishments. The grass is always greener.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 07:24 PM
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Statistically speaking men have higher libidos. We this is in who is more likely to pay for sex to how often both genders masturbate and orgasm. FtM transgenders report an increased libido when taking testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 06:13 AM
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Scary/creepy are the least bad of the downsides to being a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 03:18 AM
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What is coercive rape to you? If it is physically threatening or blackmailing a woman to have sex then I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 03:17 AM
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You also get people digging through your post history and seeing your posts here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 03:15 AM
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It's an individual person's job to protect themselves in their personal lives. How is protecting people from liars, selfish people and "fake friends" public safety?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 03:04 AM
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Protecting people from scammers is an economic matter and not a personal one. The government makes laws to protect workers and make sure they are paid but they don't prosecute people for lying to get someone to do a task for them or to get some sort of product/item from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 02:51 AM
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I don't think lying and masking should be punished by law. Not all shitty behavior warrants criminal punishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 02:08 AM
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What is "pressuring someone into sex" and why should that approach the severity of a violent crime? Would pretending to be rich (or other methods of hiding your true self) to have sex with women be rape? Would "I love you baby" and then pumping and dumping be rape? If yes then why aren't we legally punishing all other methods of lying to get what you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 01:47 AM
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rape by manipulation/coercion Sadly this is already being pushed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 01:28 AM
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I also think this is part of a greater trend of delaying milestones in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 01:25 AM
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The irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 07:17 PM
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People regardless of gender look the same in their late teens and early 20s, at least to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 03:25 AM
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Why are you here at 15?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 09:23 PM
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It’s ok to be attracted to them because they look developed? Honestly that’s just awful. Men don’t seem to realize how naive & childlike 14-16 year olds are. Sadly biology doesn't care. A lot of these facts about male/female nature only describe the gender at their most basic, primal level. Luckily socialization keeps some of that back. I find it to be an unsavory fact of male nature and of life, I'm not saying it is okay somehow. I don’t define my „prime“ as when old dudes want to fuck me rathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 08:43 AM
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you swear that relationships with 20 year age difference “happen all the time” and insist you are right even when presented with US Census data This could also be living in a bubble made of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 07:18 AM
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Unless you're planning on offing yourself way sooner than necessary? Yeah why go through the slow decay.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 06:37 AM
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I feel the exact same way, I could never biologically create someone. They need to legalize euthanasia! They really should but I fear it will only ever be available to people at deaths door.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 06:13 AM
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I don’t want to try and change human nature. I want to understand it and use that knowledge to get a leg up in life. I would like to change a lot of human nature if it was possible but it isn't so you just need to go from there. The people always complaining about double standards are wasting their breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 04:29 AM
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I suspect having someone to age with is one reason men get married. I was watching this doctor show once and they had to break it to a man that he was dying and send him to hospice, it was his wife who was with him through all of that. I'm asexual and many of us see this view as "aphobic" but it really is just a sad truth. Personally, I am not even going to let my body decay to the point where I need to worry about creaky knees, breast cancer, and saggy tits. Fuck it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 04:11 AM
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When talking about incels, most people mean those who can't get laid due to their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 10:39 PM
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WHO killed unruly men? Men who didn't want their daughters and sisters to be raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 10:00 PM
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Boredom. Helps distract me from real world problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 09:53 PM
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No chimps are closest and binobos are further. Chimps are slightly further away from us. Just look at the cladogram in my third link. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/04/170429095021.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Taxonomy https://humanjourney.us/discovering-our-distant-ancestors-section/bonobos-and-chimpanzees/ We are separated from chimps and bonobos by about 6 million years, we are an entirely different genus. If you look at hunter gatherer societies, many of them elevated…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 05:45 AM
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Source. This is one I could find in one search. https://www.livescience.com/45517-how-corkscrew-vaginas-evolved.html Men have plunger shaped penises to dig out another man's sperm lol. By whom? He killed the competing men. Who is challenging? Look at hunter gatherer societies, they killed unruly men who raped and murdered. There was still no form of order, even if there weren't formal courts and prisons.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 05:45 AM
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Human men competed for women, and took what they wanted if they won. It's so silly to think that they would kill each other and then walk up and politely ask the woman for sex. If rape was the primary means of sexual reproduction women would have corkscrew vaginas like ducks do. Though men often raped outgroup women when they conquered, raping a woman from your own group could get you killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 05:23 AM
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The guy you're talking to wants to go back to before the sexual revolution. Basically romanticizing a past that never was.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 05:20 AM
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I'll do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 03:15 AM
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i dont believe in SMV and RMV tbh SMV and RMV are basically what you bring to the table in a relationship, which would include things like compatibility and hotness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 02:51 AM
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How long have you been playing drums?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 11:07 PM
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And yet 14 year old girls get showered in male attention of all ages. If creep shaming was removed I don't think men would prefer 14 year olds but they would stop distinguishing 16-17 years olds from 18-19 year olds and just say women look best 16-24. It's so obvious when their definition of a woman's prime years ends at 24 and begins just at legal adulthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 07:02 PM
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If you stay at this forum long enough you will learn that you are unique here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 06:56 PM
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They are only fucking someone over if they cheat. Their girlfriends are free to reject them over their n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 06:56 PM
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How many men are explicitly looking for virgins in western society and not just low n women who they are attracted to? Even though men with a higher n count also have an increased chance of martial instability and cheating (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10743879/) it would still be in their best interest to go for someone who is low n, so they do it. Also I'm pretty sure high n guys aren't getting into a relationship with plans to cheat on their girlfriends so I wouldn't exactly call it being …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 06:41 PM
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I see it more in men here and in the real world. The thing is men who are like that tend to do better with women and even in other areas of life so I don't totally blame them. If anything I would like some of that overconfidence lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 09:52 PM
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And men should select women based on companionship instead of youth and looks right? Selecting men for money is, well, prostitution. Everything is transactional in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 09:41 PM
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15-17 year olds don't look much different than 18-19 year olds but you consider those years "prime". Every woman who has gone through puberty got attention from men of all ages when they are 15-17.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 09:38 PM
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Just take a lot of the stuff red pill men say- Men would rather have an 16-24 year old no matter how old they get. Lets face it, they only say 18 because that is the age of legal adulthood, if we removed all cultural programming men would have no qualms going after 14-17 year olds. Stuff like the coolidge effect, polygyny, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 09:27 PM
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If no sex was equivalent to being locked in a cage then men would get prostitutes and start going for women who aren't young, thin, and childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 09:20 PM
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He put ejaculation/orgasm on the level of food and shelter, not relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 05:12 PM
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Nah, I'd probably be to anxious in the moment of truth Yeah I wouldn't have done it if it wasn't an accident. I hope you can find some more permanent relief from your OCD, it is harder in quarantine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 05:51 AM
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I definitely get that dissociation with weed. Have you ever combined LSD with weed? That creates some crazy thought loops.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 05:27 AM
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Tom was beautiful in Top Gun. To be fair, he looks better than most men nearing 60 now. Can't hold a candle to his youth though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 02:16 AM
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Weed makes my obsessions even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 02:06 AM
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TRP sees women as out of control balls of raw emotion, which is quite a far cry from the actual truth. People are guided by emotions and subconscious desires most of the time. Emotions and instincts are like cheat codes that help the species survive, people who aren't guided by them are usually diagnosed with an array of personality disorders.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 09:33 PM
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It's interesting to me how much people reject evo psych explanations. If you an atheist and materialist, what other explanation but evolution and our material bodies for behavior? It's funny how religious people have more "evo psych" views than most atheists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 07:27 PM
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That still makes it in women's best interest to not waste their prettiest most fertile years on men who don't bring much to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 07:13 PM
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Yeah I pretty much stop caring about age gaps 20+.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 07:05 PM
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Me
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 01:45 PM
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That's just the nature of this forum, people love celebrating other's hypothetical and real suffering here. We were talking about women's reaction to male youth fetishization on a post about age gape relationships. I don't care about adding a fine print "men have it shitty too" to every post about the female experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 05:05 AM
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The OP wasn't talking about betabuxing, he was talking about going to prostitutes instead of trying to get casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 04:54 AM
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If that makes you feel better about being a John then okay. I'm not telling guys not to fuck prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 01:29 AM
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HAHA, they have a bot for this word.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 11:12 PM
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That all men are polygynous ephebophiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 11:09 PM
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At least their wife is attracted to them. Like I said, if a man finds paying women to fuck him satisfying then more power to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 11:08 PM
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Yet at the end up the day they are a John, paying a woman to fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 11:05 PM
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This seems so stressful. I'm sorry this is happening. Crazy that the ICU is full.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 11:05 PM
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If a man doesn't care that the woman is counting the seconds till the sex ends then it's a great option.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 11:02 PM
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If he was an attractive sugar daddy he wouldn't be a sugar daddy. If they were turned on by it, they wouldn't be making the men pay up to get some sugar. What part of paying a woman for sex do you not get?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 10:48 PM
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I'm saying it's a subcategory of prostitution that is more beneficial for men, at least those who can foot the bill. And apparently one that is grey area enough to fall through the cracks of enforcement. And the biggest barrier in that for men is that the women isn't attracted to them and they are having to pay. Hence why incels won't just shut up and fuck prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 10:48 PM
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AMALT might as well select for good genes and resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 10:46 PM
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But the woman isn't counting the seconds until the sex ends. If a man doesn't care about that and has the money, then he will like prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 10:38 PM
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Doesn't change the fact that it's a prostitute. If a man just wants to fuck hot women with little effort and doesn't care they are counting down the seconds till it ends then prostitutes are a great choice for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 10:36 PM
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How is that not a prostitute?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 10:26 PM
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Asia Argento fucking a 17 tear old in her 30s is just as predatory as any man fucking a teen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 10:25 PM
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You have to give sugar babies an allowance. They wouldn't give you any sugar unless you pay them. It is like paying a prostitute. Which is fine but I don't see how that is validating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 10:23 PM
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It would be easier but there would be no ego validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 10:20 PM
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It's why they hate women not having sex before commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 10:20 PM
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I never meant they owned the studies. I just find it hilarious how most people here believe exactly what the "Scientific Blackpill" page lays out and use the exact studies listed there and then like to shit on blackpillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 10:02 PM
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Irrelevant. I wasn't mocking men for being upset about how they're valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 09:46 PM
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lol how dare women be upset when they learn men only value them for something that depletes a little everyday .
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 09:42 PM
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How old were you guys when you met?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 09:41 PM
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He's not asking permission, he's posting this to get people riled up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 09:39 PM
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I can't help but think this was posted here to be provocative.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 09:10 PM
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No. Why are you even asking this here?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 08:47 PM
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2-4 years older is basically their peers, it's not older by a significant margin. 7+ years would be significantly older for a woman in her 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 06:09 AM
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No even anti blackpill redpillers use their studies. The mods ban incel rhetoric when pretty much all this sub's studies are from a blackpill wiki lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 06:06 AM
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Has anyone else noticed that most of the studies posted here are from the incel wiki?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 06:02 AM
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People don't want to hear that shit, I guess. Is that really surprising to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 06:02 AM
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Do you wish you could forget this evo psych stuff? I personally wouldn't want to forget it all but I wish I could forget my time here lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 05:11 AM
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How is not giving someone money violating their body autonomy? Woman are not responsible for your choices You are the one trying to make men responsible for women's choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 05:06 AM
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People get tickets for violating the law. Having sex isn't violating the law. Women shouldn't bring a child into the world if they can't afford it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 03:41 AM
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If young women started preferring men 10+ years older tomorrow, the average age gap would skyrocket. As gender equality increases, the average age gap goes down because women can choose instead of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 03:38 AM
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All men would go for women 18-25 if they could. The thing is men age out attracting young women so they settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 02:51 AM
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Tickets are when you do something wrong. The man didn't do anything wrong. The woman in this situation just wants to have a kid and expect daddy gubment to put a gun to the man's head and force him to pay up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 02:43 AM
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Safe haven laws were created so women (particularly teenage girls) don't commit neonaticide. Not to mention that single moms get a fuck ton of government assistance if they can't afford the kid. Dad's that can't afford the kid go to jail. Well once the kids are born, the government has to do something. The government takes up the weight if they can't put it anywhere else. Not to mention a lot of the weight is taken away via abortion. If it was about hyperagency, men who weren't biological father…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 02:41 AM
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I remember reading a study that most chimpanzee violence is directed towards fertile females. Although most male violence is directed at men, when it is directed at women I've noticed it tends to be directed at young women and teenage girls. Male violence against women is usually directed at the women men desire the most. I immediately thought of this when I read your post https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/flvhi6/unattractive_men_are_not_empathetic_towards/fl1mir5/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:50 PM
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they were always treated as property, not because of evil men had designs to oppress women, but because it was natural order of things in order to survive and build society. If it was the natural order how did societies like the Persians survived while treating women like property?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:41 PM
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But yeah, when she said jump, I asked how high on the way up. There was a woman who dated older men for this exact reason, people didn't seem to like it here lol. Sometimes the younger woman does have the power and sometimes it really is just a predatory relationship. But yeah the people saying it is always predatory are full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 03:36 AM
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This is a great way to put it. The one thing I would like to add is that while the characteristics that make melodies and faces beautiful are objective the experience of those ratios and tunes as being good are subjective. People just don't seem to understand how every brain is wired to find certain things repulsive and certain things attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 03:29 AM
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Shouldn't the men using that strategy stay in the country they got their wife in making it harder for her to leave him? Coming back to a rich western country with that type of arrangement seems stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 02:48 AM
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Women are given their bodily autonomy (abortion) because it benefits the government to do so. There is less crime and they don't have to look after unwanted babies. Men are denied their bodily autonomy not because of feminism but because the government wants to saddle anyone but themselves for raising the child. Hence why men who aren't even the child's biological father are forced to pay child support sometimes. Society does a similar thing with suicide prevention. We prevent suicide because su…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 02:45 AM
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Men have the right to the product of their work because of bodily autonomy. Men wouldn't be getting the bonus of female anatomy, they would be getting their bodily autonomy that was taken from them by the government holding a gun to their head if they don't pay up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 02:07 AM
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I also became even more apathetic to political causes like climate change. Like why would I sacrifice my tiny window of being young and alive for some people who will exist when I am rotting in the ground? It amuses me to see people happily point out a bunch of unsavory things about life and then complain about rich people being unchristlike lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 10:02 PM
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Tall men are also well overepresented as CEOs and tend to have higher IQs (statistically speaking). We associate height with genetic quality and I don't think there is any way to socialize it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 09:48 PM
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It definitely is the most likely reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 09:00 PM
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It's nice that your college is back in session, mine isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 08:42 PM
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What was he banned for?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 08:35 PM
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I keep saying this here but everyone denies it. Men convince themselves that looks don't matter. After all the easiest person to fool is yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 08:31 PM
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I could never biologically create someone. Best to nip the source of all unhappiness in the bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 07:13 PM
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I kind of like the video's example of melody lacking songs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 06:20 PM
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Has anyone changed the way they view other things in the world after learning about a lot of this evo psych stuff? Now when I read about all the things that happened in the past, I don't really see it as "evil" anymore than a lion killing all the cubs when he takes over a pride. It's just the strong crushing the weak for their own self interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 05:57 PM
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So many people say stuff like this and then they go and have kids lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 05:10 PM
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It always makes me happy to see people in relationships like this!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 02:52 PM
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That women can go a decade (a decade!) of their life consistently propositioned by and with consistent interest from men, yet many who want to get married are increasingly unable to do so (that should be about as big of a red flag as you can get). A decade of your life is a tiny window, it's also the window people seem to look back and say how naive they were. Women are increasingly complaining about not being satisfied with their husbands -- often describing them as being "a great dad, a good g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 02:44 PM
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How old were you when you got a normal girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 10:41 AM
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There are always worse issues but someone spending their adolescence and young adulthood sexless will definitely hurt their mental health and I don't see anything wrong with men making a community around it. And incels are well aware of the value of sex, as they have several posters who visit escorts and complain that it did not meet expectatons or worse that it made them feel worse afterwards. They want the validation of someone choosing them for sex based on physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:39 PM
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It's the most logical take. It's just impossible to expect anyone to put their money where their mouth is when it comes to having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:27 PM
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We do actually. Youth and beauty are very easy to come by for men who are attractive to women. And men consistently go for a more youthful woman if they have the opportunity, we see this in every study worth it's salt. The thing is, most men don't have the option so they settle. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/i3rkb6/blue_pillers_why_do_you_claim_the_red_pill_is/g0e0vmw/ Men only care about things like loyalty and companionship once the women meets his criteria based on utilit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 08:46 AM
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Yk You guys are funny ...you'll say the sickest most depraved shit about women under guise of debate ...but let anyone return the favor and it's "OMG why are you such a big meanie bully?". You guys are weak AF. You're allowed to bask in peoples' hypothetical and real suffering but as soon as you say "suicide" it goes to far. I don't think it is because people have their feelings "hurt" when you mention it, suicide just makes people uncomfortable when it is even remotely considered as an option. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 08:05 AM
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I think it's also because men not reacting makes them think the guy didn't really care and/or that she is not high value enough to care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 08:00 AM
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The banning of somewhat tame incel subs is just going to push sexless men into cesspits off of reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 06:48 AM
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"Why should I fight for you? You treated me like garbage." They'll dodge the draft, register as conscientious objectors, flee whatever country they are in, go into hiding, do whatever it takes to avoid fighting for a society that sneered at them their entire lives. When the Japanese attacked Nanking, many Chinese soldiers refused to fight and wore civilian clothes. They ended up getting massacred along with everyone else. Men who were drafted to invade other countries basically died for the enri…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 06:39 AM
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Agreed, libfems are basically incoherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 06:28 AM
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Add the experience you get as you get older and more money and its not hard to do better than in your 20's when you are poor and clueless. (Yes you are clueless in your 20's). And that is women's tiny window of being attractive. Anyone who truly believes that male prime last for like 30 years should select for a son. Of course that's impossible people aren't wired to think that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 06:24 AM
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Did you think like that in your 20s? I'm 19 and when I look at hot guys at 25 vs 35, they always look much better at 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 06:19 AM
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All sexual activity more closely follows women's age preferences. Women in college who date 30+ year old men are rare. You are more likely to find that in 25+ year old women. https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners-is-Different-for-Men-and-Women/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 06:15 AM
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Just look at the incels over at https://incels.co/ with posts about beta uprisings and glorification of Elliot Rodger. It is absurd that they are still supporting such posts under the guise of free speech or shitposting I remember seeing an interview of one of the sites admins and he basically said it was "shitposting" and complaining about how people view them as crazy and dangerous. Like you said I don't see how anyone could run a forum that allows posting girls getting beheaded and cheering o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 06:10 AM
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I can't help by feel like the wealthy men who beta bux young women know what's going on but they don't care. Men truly believing that 30+ is prime physical attractiveness to hot college girls struck me as crazy when I first came here. Now I understand where the need to say it is coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 05:46 AM
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You never know with this sub and it's a pretty common sentiment that woman only do suicide for attention and rarely suicidal in any pill adjacent sub or forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 04:05 AM
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Where did you get the idea suicide is easy? Most methods are brutal and it involves overriding our most primordial instinct. I have known both men and women with the rolls royce of suicide methods used by doctors for euthanasia around the world and they still don't suicide "pretty fucking easy".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:59 AM
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far more likely to be killed and assaulted than women are. And don't even get me started on the suicide stats Men commit suicide more for the same reason they commit most violent crime. Suicide is an act of violence against the self and the more violent sex will do it more often when all you have is brutish violent methods. When women are given the option for a less violent death through government euthanasia or having a peaceful method taught to them by certain organizations, the suicide rate i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:57 AM
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Probably because you say a lot of stuff that women are uncomfortable saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 05:38 PM
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Do you mean radicalized to be anti trans or are you saying women become Rad fem/rad fem sympathizers by diving into a rad fem rabbit hole?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 03:39 PM
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There are certainly other things we value (loyalty, companionship, emotional support, love, etc.) but women have no wish to actually offer any of those things. Men don't value that from a woman unless she fits the criteria (youth, beauty) that satisfies his own selfish drive. So at their most basic level, men do only value women for their bodies and think that is all they offer for a relationship. Female nature is built around this, like a tortured ying and yang. but women have no wish to actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 03:09 PM
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It was probably banned for anti trans rhetoric and not for misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 01:57 PM
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I used to hitch hike in high school all the time and I'm from the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 01:33 PM
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When you say "to offer" I am assuming you mean offering what men value. Which means men value women for nothing but their youthful bodies because they have their own selfish drives based on utility. This was my point all along. What else do men have to offer but their genetic quality and resources? The other gender would have more to offer if men and women valued different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 07:41 AM
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Their youthful body, the only thing men want from them anyway. Men don't care what else women have to offer. AWALT because AMALT. I don't believe in god but if he is real, I'm sure will we all have our complaints when we get to the pearly gates.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 07:26 AM
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Largely because women offer us little else. It's because men only value women for their fertility. They don't care what else a woman has to offer, which is fine when they then don't go and complain that women have a set of conditions for loving men. Men saying that they would resent being with a woman just because she is older is incongruent with loving women for their beings. Do you want women to become like men and love them for their youth and vitality? We don’t actually. If we did none of us…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 07:12 AM
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They lose attractiveness to women in their late teens/early 20s but as a whole their dating pool is bigger. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/i3rkb6/blue_pillers_why_do_you_claim_the_red_pill_is/g0e0vmw/ https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners-is-Different-for-Men-and-Women/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 06:31 AM
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Women are highly selective and hypergamous And men only value women for their youth and nothing else. I mean objectively better as in younger. And they do go for those women if their SMV/money can actually afford it. Men cheat more as the couple ages, I wonder why. Not to mention men here will resent that the idea of marrying the same woman but 10 years older because they value women for their youth and what that signals. It's not loving a woman for her being, it is loving her for something that…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 06:28 AM
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I'm asexual. Men look best 20-28 to me, for women it is more like 17-25. Take any good looking guy at 20, at 35+ he will only be "looks good for his age" at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 06:21 AM
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Men could openly cheat on their wives? Nice! When? It was acceptable for any man who could afford a mistress to have one. There were titles of "Official Mistress" in some European countries. Ben Franklin even wrote advice for young men in selecting a mistress. Not to mention that men regularly visited prostitutes. High value men have always been polygynous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 08:05 PM
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I don't assume anyone is hiding something just because they don't want someone to be able to comb through their electronics. I don't like anyone going through my stuff (electronic or not) and I don't have anything to be ashamed of. Other than posting here maybe lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 04:57 PM
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but if I were to do so it would be my wife. Most men wouldn't do that if they had the opportunity to get someone better (based on the way men value women from their own selfish drives). This sub is one of many exhibits show casting this. It's convenient to take the conditions for women loving men and then conclude men don't have conditions since they don't have the exact set of conditions women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 04:45 PM
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You are changing the definition of free market. If the government or other central body isn't regulating prices, then the market is free. I never said anything about people being "free". People (and other animals) are never free, nature chews us up and spits us out. They work because they dont have the option not to, because they are under threat of unbearable consequence. (and i want you to read the previous sentence aloud, because that "unbearable consequence" really has to become a part of ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 01:28 PM
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That wasnt an insult, that was just me calling you out on your bullshit. And I showed you how it was a pointless deflection. You don't have the right to a woman's body and uterus. Just as women don't have the right to force a man to settle down with them. The market is free in the sense that there are no significant unnatural human made constraints like in the past. AKA when the price is self regulated and runs on the basis of supply and demand. if one side faces more negative repercussions than…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 12:57 PM
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It definitely sounds like it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 11:00 AM
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The guy I'm responding to has likes to call women his age hideous and seems to be amused when women hit the wall because evolution. It is just an interesting turn to care about poor people when you talk like he does. I couldn't imagine sharing with random strangers after becoming "red pilled".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 03:34 AM
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And minority men make up even less of society and are more overrepresented than white men. Just check out incels.co (and the other incel spaces) many feel like their race has played a role and they complain about women being white supremacists in their dating preferences. Lots of people like to imagine incels as all white to kill their sympathy for them. Exactly what you are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 03:28 AM
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If you met your wife today, would you want to marry her? Would most men who met their wives today want to ltr their wives or would they go for younger prettier women if they had the option?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 01:25 AM
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The burden of performance is biological to a significant degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 01:18 AM
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Half of incels aren't white in their forum surveys.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 01:14 AM
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They do have a point, e girls do exploit lonely men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 12:32 AM
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But would men prefer a 40 year old over a teenager absent of socialization? Teens have more years of fertility in front of them than a 40 year old. Thankfully there is socialization to combat the carnal parts of human nature in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 12:29 AM
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Probably the men saying it were used in the past that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 09:06 AM
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It is more commonly brought up by blackpillers. Anytime E girls are mentioned at least one person says it in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 09:06 AM
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It is a very common sentiment in "Pill community".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 07:06 AM
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I agree, pretty most high value men have at least some idea of dating dynamics. Women are also more likely to be resentful when they realize their value fades a little with every year. I used to think women didn't have a movement when they figured out male nature but then I realized they became radfems. Not the SJW feminists but the type of feminists who hate porn and sex work and generally exclude trans people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 04:02 AM
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Her surgeon is an artist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 03:46 AM
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That's a refreshing take. It's not that when a woman is 30/35 she can't find partners, it's that she would have had an easier time when she was young. If there was a way to freeze your body, I think everyone men and women would do it somewhere between 18-30.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 03:40 AM
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I think it was u/reluctantly_red that said men being okay with a woman who makes significantly less is what causes "divorce rape".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 03:31 AM
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True. The thing is women are always attracted to their age mates, men are not. Once women lose their youth, they have hit the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 03:17 AM
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. You can instantly tell the difference between a 21yo and 26-27yo for instance. I honestly can't for a lot of people. Aging really picks up in the 30s. If you look at someone at 20 then you look at them at 26, they look very similar. Take someone at 30 and then look at them at 36, there is a much bigger difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 03:02 AM
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13? Is that a typo or do you just hate men and think they're pedophiles? Any woman who has gone through puberty has learned that men are ephebophiles. Lots of models graced covers at the age of 13 and 14. I don't hate men for their nature though, at least not in the way men hate women here. Meh, it works both ways. Lemme try: How dare men feel that women only value them for what they provide and despite years of fortitude, faithfulness and effort are only desirable now that they have "something …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 02:52 AM
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I'm talking about PPD men, there is not a man on PPD who says he wants to date women his age.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 02:43 AM
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If he didn't pamper them, they would go for younger, hotter, richer stars.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 02:41 AM
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That marriage is an exception to the rule. Women love men, we both have the same bonding chemicals. I could say men don't love men since if they met their wives now, they wouldn't give them the time of day. Love is conditional. Putting inhuman standards on the world only makes the real world even more terrible to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 01:27 AM
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He's not nearly as good looking or as famous as he once was. If he didn't shower the girls in experiences and gifts, I am willing to bet a kidney they wouldn't be with him. For the same reason Elon Musk's girlfriend wouldn't even look his way if he wasn't a billionaire. How’s your resume, old sport? Lol Probably better than yours since you want to live vicariously through an old celebrity. Why do so many men care if a hot woman is with them for their money? It's just a shaming tactic anyway. Leo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 01:25 AM
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If that were the case they would go for A listers at the height of their career.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 01:15 AM
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Doubt it. Do you really think he doesn't pamper them with gifts and experiences? I doubt he is crying about it while he fucks 20 year old models anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 01:07 AM
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He believes that only men love women for their "beings". I bet all these men saying that wouldn't even consider dating a woman their age. But they love women for their beings and not based on selfish drives, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 01:05 AM
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Why would the winners ever want to help the losers? It's a dog eat dog world. As shitty as it is, that's the way the world is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 01:03 AM
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That's not what the statistics show. I knew a 5'2" guy with a girlfriend, does that mean women love short guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 01:01 AM
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Men can buy a woman's time and gain the respect of other men by doing that. Women don't have the means do gain status that way. It's interesting to note.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:59 AM
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Nope. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/i3rkb6/blue_pillers_why_do_you_claim_the_red_pill_is/g0e0vmw/ https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners-is-Different-for-Men-and-Women/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:57 AM
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30 year old women are more likely to date men 10+ years older than 20 year old women. The good men their age are usually dating women around 24/25 so they date older. Women at the height of their SMV don't do this as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:56 AM
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I don't see how what you said has to do with what I said which is absent of cultural programming 40+ year old men would rather have a 13 year old than a 40 year old woman. But I'll bite. Young women go for older guys and then when they get older themselves, bitch that older guys go for young women. Most women go for men within 4 years of their age. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/i3rkb6/blue_pillers_why_do_you_claim_the_red_pill_is/g0e0vmw/ https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:45 AM
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It is disgusting, but sadly it is true. The middle aged men here talk about how they only want 18-24 year olds well 13-15 year olds are closer to that age range than middle aged women. The average age girls noticed men were looking at them sexually was 12.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:25 AM
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Women are attracted to men their age as they age, so they assume men are the same. They don't understand that middle aged men would rather have a 13/14/15 year old on a biological level.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 11:59 PM
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By that logic a 15 year old is better than a 20 year old. Which probably is what men would prefer if you removed all cultural programming.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 11:53 PM
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Are they still the same as they were when they were 20? Obviously not. That's the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 11:27 PM
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I said matrilineal and matrilineal is not synonymous with matriarchal. Sparta was patriarchal but matrilineal for example. No true matriarchy has ever existed, at least a definite one that has either survived today or was well recorded. The Musuo society was still politically dominated by men (as far as I know).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 06:43 AM
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Men are more likely to have extremely antisocial dispositions and score lower in affective empathy. This doesn't mean much for average men and women but it matters at the tails. We aren't a mind that exists independent of a body, women's inferior strength caused them to develop differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 05:37 AM
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It's no secret that men get to remain relatively attractive with age, but like you said both genders look better young, which seems to be a bitter pill to swallow around here. but male looks don't fall off a cliff like female looks do, exactly because we retain fertility much longer. Men have a perceived age slightly older in some studies (most likely due to hair loss and not caring about anti aging regimens like women do), it isn't judged as harshly since men aren't valued for their fertility. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 05:27 AM
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Weren't the Jews matrilineal though? I don't see how that keeps the peasant class down. Mosuo men still had the political power I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 03:57 AM
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Maybe I am totally wrong here but I think it is easier for men to know the truth about female nature if they are high value than for women to know the truth about male nature no matter what their smv is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 03:46 AM
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How are you an asshole?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 02:24 PM
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Studies have gone up to 50 and 60 though, which is on the cusp of "geriatric and shriveled up". They don't find those men attractive. Men on the other hand, don't give a shit about any of that in another woman, for the most part. That famous OKC study looked at men's and women's ages and the age of partners who looked best to them. Older women did rate men around their age the most attractive, no matter how old they got. Women are attracted to degrees and jobs. Why do they get so upset that men …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 09:30 AM
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Fathers, brothers, and uncles had their own stuff to look after. In some primitive cultures the woman wasn't even part of her old family but her husband's. There's no reason for a woman to select for a man who will leave her alone for a significant portion of her life. If the older men didn't have a negative value/utility (unless they are rich, or have managed to keep Father Time back) then women would rate men 10+ older the most attractive but they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 09:22 AM
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It's the same thing. The idea that a man would be desperate to have married me at 21 but be resentful if he married me at 30 is sad and makes me resentful of this hypothetical man. That's one of the things that makes male love kind of worthless, at least imo. If you are stuck being attracted to men, just know that some men still love their wives because they shared all those years together.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 08:59 AM
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Lots of naive people do because the real world is too terrible to admit. It turns everyone jaded once they realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 08:54 AM
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You throw in our faces how worthless we get after 30 daily, therefore there should be nothing wrong with doing the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 08:54 AM
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I'm just going to leave this here. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/i7wd7d/smv_inflation_is_a_feature_not_a_bug_in_a_free/g1581ri/ You guys are proud of this. And that is why women hating men will never be taking as seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:49 AM
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Many studies show women find men around their age attractive. Older women genuinely find 40+ men attractive. They assume men like their degrees, good jobs, and maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:13 AM
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Yes both genders assume the other is like them. Women don't eternally find teens attractive, they find men around their age attractive. When they get older, they want older more mature men. They assume men want the same. I have no problem with men doing anything their SMV can get, as long as they aren't causing too much harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 11:39 PM
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That's not an argument. You are free to read the links and calculate the risks yourself. One reason I didn't bother is I knew I would get this response.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 11:12 PM
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I did answer the fertility question, I am at work and can't calculate absolute risk of a myriad of conditions. The link I shared will help if you want to do it, it talked about more than just passing on mutated alleles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 09:51 PM
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Do you see, after improving ones mental condition with known security of being desired by others, the possibility that this improvement will start a cascade effect that will improve all other areas of life is quite large. Men and women are different. Women are extremely desired when young. The pitfall of this is women are only desired for something that fades a little with each day. It sounds like you want to chain the market up and lower young women's smv. I think the markets should be free. Al…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 09:13 PM
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Did I ever say anything about IQ? You're criticism of IQ has nothing to do with the fact that older people are more likely to help someone in need. Let's just say IQ is bs, that doesn't apply to everything that a psychology study ever says is BS. You are changing the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:55 PM
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You do realize pretty much every study posted here is a psychological study? The replication crisis has been proven to exist outside of psychology, do we now reject every study we don't like? I could say the exact same about any study I wish to reject. A lot of studies talking about male and female preferences and traits have "not been proven to stand together". The preponderance of evidence clearly shows that peoples' personality does change for the better with age. From crime rates to cheating…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:52 PM
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I will try and answer those but you are ignoring the main downside of older men which is that he will leave her in middle age when he dies. It takes about 3 months normally and that means it takes over a year. They once had a nobel prize winner sperm bank, no children were conceived because the donors were too old. Sperm banks usually cap donor age at 35-40, and doctors consider advanced paternal age to start at 40. https://time.com/10539/more-bad-news-for-older-dads-increased-risk-of-kids-with-…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:30 PM
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And before that I said it was the halo effect that made him judge physically attractive younger women to have more pleasant personalities than they really do. It is about physical attractiveness/youth, a young soul and optimism in an older woman wouldn't mean anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:28 PM
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There were always younger chieftains snapping at their heels, and this time with their whole future ahead of them. Like I said before it is not about fertility risk most likely, it is that the man will die and leave her in middle age alone. When viewed through that lens it makes sense that men 1-4 years older are most attractive to young women, as show in pretty much any peer reviewed study with it's salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:19 PM
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I believe I was talking about personality changes with age here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:08 PM
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Since you care so much about scientific truth, go nitpick the studies in linked in this article. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200313-how-your-personality-changes-as-you-age
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:02 PM
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I bet you take anything that falls into your view as gospel. You can go nitpick these studies if you want. They are linked in the article https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200313-how-your-personality-changes-as-you-age
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 08:01 PM
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There fertility risk of older men is a lot more than .1%, there is a reason sperm banks cap the age at around 35-40. An interesting fact is men over 45 took 4.5 times as long to conceive even if their partners were under 25. Older men are 3x as likely to father a child with schizophrenia. 25x more likely to father one with bipolar and children born from older fathers have lower iqs. However shrinking fertility is not main/only reason women aren't attracted to older men. It's that those older men…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:29 PM
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That's just wishful thinking. Just stop hamstering and say it is purely about physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:22 PM
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Halo effect. There is a wealth of studies showing bpd traits, narcissism, neuroticism, and disagreeableness peaks in peoples' youth. It's very interesting to witness how strong the halo effect is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:17 PM
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Studies have shown that people are less narcissistic, bpd, and more agreeable with age. You have fallen victim to the halo effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:16 PM
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God back and read what I said, I said women not myself. Therefore who I am personally had nothing to do with what I said. You felt the need to attack who I am to deflect what I was saying and get me to try and justify myself to you. I never said women should throw away decades for chad. I said they shouldn't throw away year on men who aren't winners if they have the smv to attract someone who already is a winner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:15 PM
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Some of the stuff listed like being nurturing. Desire for social cohesion, people focused, being detail oriented and harder to please.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 05:20 AM
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Over the hill in as she is not longer as physically attractive as she once was. Which is said to be somewhere between 22 and 30 here. You are just putting a subjective value judgment. Saying men are less exploitative because they aren't hypergamous is your opinion. I would say male nature is equally "exploitative" if you want to word it that way. Middle aged men would rather have 14 year olds than women their age on a biological level. Polygyny cheapens male love, idk why you say it like it's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 05:01 AM
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That type of femininity never existed, it was just forced onto women by men. Men hate real femininity/female nature. They trivialize female hobbies and skills (both here and mainstream society) and constantly call female nature evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 10:25 PM
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How is male nature (considering women over the hill as soon as their brain finishes developing) less exploitative than hypergamy? Men didn't take women rights away because their fees fees were hurt. They did it to stack the deck in their favor because they could. Everyone will stack things in their favor if they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 10:24 PM
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Yeah that does suck. Both genders naturally feel disheartened when they realize the other gender doesn't value the things they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 10:03 PM
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And those minority of guys are the naturals. The rest are just maskers. I sing and only a few singers have a great voice out of the gates. Those naturals are who everyone tries to emulate, to varying degrees of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 10:00 PM
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I see I hit a nerve if you feel the need to insult me. You're on reddit and insulting random people with every post, probably since you are bitter no woman wanted you in your youth. You use more emotional language than an overly emotional teenager. How old are you? You're either 19 or 30 is my guess. I never said anything about riding the CC or going for Brad Pitt. There is no logical reason women shouldn't go for the best their SMV can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 09:59 PM
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I was thinking the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 08:56 PM
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I imagine the more masculine lesbians would have a combination of awalt and amalt behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 08:53 PM
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That's still 1 in 3 that don't. How many men are extraverted, disinhibited, low anxiety, and attractive? If they aren't at least a good number of those then they weren't built for casual sex, the best they can hope for is getting a convincing mask.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 08:44 PM
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That men are more likely to have antisocial personalities and it has nothing to do with feminist narratives. I have also said that the majority of innovators are men which kind of pokes holes in the pink pill female separatist theories here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 10:59 AM
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I agree and some women do choose men based on potential. But the less risky option is picking a guy who has already made something of himself, though there is a chance that will go down the drain too. I know a woman who got with a guy in her 20s and when they wanted start having kids in their 30s, he decided that he was trans. Talk about a risk not panning out. She wanted kids so badly, makes me sad typing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 10:49 AM
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I didn't have an ex. I was only sharing that to say that slander of the same degree does compare to aggression. Men are the majority of Einsteins and Hitlers/Bundys because of male variability. Much to both genders denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 10:43 AM
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Those studies on Lesbian domestic violence are based on flawed studies and some studies have even shown that lesbian relationships have the same rate as heterosexual ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_lesbian_relationships#Prevalence Women are much more likely to be prosocial when there is no benefit. They are also more likely to volunteer and give money to charity. Men score higher in all subclinical dark triad traits and are much more likely to meet the clinical level. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 10:26 AM
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I believe that. There was a saying "there is no female Einstein for the same reason there is no female Adolf Hitler." Lots of PPD men point out that most Einsteins are men but ignore the other side of the distribution though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 10:11 AM
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I think someone getting skinned alive and slowly beheaded is much worse than even the most extreme of slandering. Women do kill too but the distribution of aggression in women is different than in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 10:02 AM
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Though there are definitely evil women, however men are more likely to have extremely antisocial (meaning clinical psychopathy and narcissism) dispositions and score higher on subclinical measures of dark triad traits. On the extremes this means 1 in 100 men are clinical psychopaths compared to 1 in 300 women. Men are also the majority of innovators so I would say it evens out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 09:57 AM
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That's true but at the end of the day, ending up on one of those cartel videos is 1000x times worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 09:52 AM
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Violence is more evil than slander and lies imo. I would trade the violence I have experienced for being slandered.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 09:23 AM
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Get off this forum, the responses you will get from men here will just amplify your currents feelings on the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 08:57 AM
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Arguing here made me more sympathetic to feminists lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 05:59 AM
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Atleast AMALT paved way for stability. AWALT paved way for spinsters, histrionic middle aged wine aunts whining about not finding a stable man, post wall corporate drones regretting their life trajectory once their uterus becomes more sterile and drier than an OR. Male nature doesn't pave the way for stability anymore than female nature. Polygamy does destabilize society in some ways but polygamy wouldn't exist without male nature being oriented that way. AWALT because AMALT once again. Too bad …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 05:30 AM
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To start I see a lot of complaints that women will wait at the finish line and pick off men from there. The thing is the men here love drawing attention to the fact that a woman's options go down with age, so why should women throw away their peak years on men who may or may not pan out? Why shouldn't women try to get the highest value guy then can get before their window of attractiveness closes? The only reason is it hurts men trying to get with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 05:07 AM
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AWALT because AMALT. Do you think it would go over well for men if women knew the truth about male nature? Atlas said that women would abort every male fetus if women knew male nature, I see her reasoning even if I don't take it that far. I hope you ladies enjoy your future spinsterhood lifestyle because I am sure liking it more. I also would love a world of less children, especially if most men are like you at their core. I get the feeling that you are romanticizing a past that never was. Do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 04:57 AM
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I see so many men upset that women love differently than men. Women loving like men would just lead to them being alone once they are no longer young and pretty. I guess men wouldn't care since it would play into their imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 04:08 AM
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You could argue having children in general is a "crime" if you believe causing unnecessary suffering is wrong. Life on "easy mode" just translates to being valued for fuckability for a tiny window of your life. More men are at the bottom due to male variability not misandry. Men are taken more seriously in academia to this day. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/h8ykkd/weekly_community_chat_megathread_14_june_2020/fv3fwbn/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 03:53 AM
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RP was made for straight men to get laid. Lesbians, gay men, trans people, asexuals and all sexually atypical people aren't TRP's focus.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 03:01 AM
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The reason is DNA is inherent to you and with you from birth to death. Things like power/status and money can be given to you when you don't really deserve it and are temporary. I'm not denying there are other factors but looks are the most important.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 07:23 PM
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If the men here believe what they believe, they should select for sons. I'm shocked that some men here have daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 05:47 PM
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Most people in studies say they enjoy their 30s the most. You are defining peak by most attractive and robust, some people define it more on life satisfaction and happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 02:14 AM
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Whenever your health goes down the toilet.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 01:07 AM
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Do you believe that there is a general age by which a person has lived the best years of their life and is on a steady decline from there on out? We've all heard of the expression, "life has just begun" being fit into every age bracket imaginable but when is it time to accept that life is over, death aside? Reason your answer in whichever way you'd like. It depends how you define peak. It if someone means peak attractiveness and just general robustness then it is 20s. Studies have shown that peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 01:05 AM
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But women on the internet seem to have an obsession with talking shit about "nice guys". Its part of a human obsession over poking fun at people below our social status to increase our own.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 07:30 AM
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I haven't read their rulebook in detail but the idea of knowing her worth and not giving away your time (especially when young) for free seems to make sense. It seems like a lot of the hate it gets is because dating might get harder for men if women starting adopting these strategies en masse. Same reason a lot of red pill techniques get hate from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 07:05 AM
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This obsession with words and their exact definitions strikes me as so weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 06:54 AM
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This sounds like people saying that legalizing prostitution fundamentally changes the dating market when it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 03:24 AM
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I agree they don't deserve it but no one ever gets what they deserve in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 03:21 AM
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So basically men who have been able to hold onto their youth for longer than average? I find it hard to believe that the bigger age gaps are when it comes to people with less money, that runs counter to everything you see outside of a mythical ski resort. I don't see why everyone here falls for the "she just wants, you for your money it's no realll luv" shaming tactic. It's true but I doubt those rich guys dating hot women care.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 03:10 AM
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There is a reason they say "don't stick your dick in crazy". I have no sympathy for the guys who do it on purpose and then it blows in their faces. Same with women who purposely pick guys who treat them like shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 11:48 AM
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I think you have founded a new genre of apologia. As if religious apologia weren't enough. I'm not BP also. if you think women were oppressed, raped, and enslaved for all of history, across all civilizations, prove it... You are putting words in my mouth. All I said was if you were going to go back and live in ancient times, you would be much better off being born male. The truth is, societies like the Persians did allow women to have rights and didn't seem to be swayed by the modern apologia yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 05:23 AM
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If an age gap 22 years more than the average one doesn't raise eyebrows then you're living in a bubble. One made of money most likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 05:14 AM
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A woman who finds signs of aging attractive in and of itself is a unicorn. There are men who are able to stave off signs of aging into their 30s and sometimes early 40s but they have kept their attractiveness inspite of their age, not because of it. A lot of this "she just wants you for your money, it is not reeallll wuv" is just a shaming tactic. Who cares? Those elite men know what's up but they don't care when they are fucking hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 05:06 AM
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Instinct? I know when I really care about a girl when I get this weird desire to protect her and want to see her happy. It’s an interesting feeling that I’ve only felt toward women (and children). And to feel that way the woman has to meet a certain set of conditions. I'm not whining "wahhh love is conditional" I'm just pointing out how male love is not some unconditional force devoid of any selfish drive. I see so many guys say men love selflessly as women love opportunistically. Middle aged me…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 04:59 AM
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If other factors even approached looks in terms of attractiveness, the average age gap would be 10+ years instead of 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 07:32 PM
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No it fucking isn't, not for all of us, but whatever. And some lobsters aren't red. The women who date older men for non monetary reasons are a minority of a minority and usually the guys they date are guys that have held up well. If I don't know anything about the situation, I am going to assume a woman dating an elite of elite man is in it for the money if she is 20 years younger. Very few women would turn that lifestyle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 06:56 PM
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And yet both my grandmothers had jobs. My great grandmother raised 3 kids through two world wars as a single mother. I know you're stating 'careers' not 'jobs' to conflate the issue. That way you can deny the many women that did work weren't actually working. Sort of like conflating wages with earnings to come up with the 'wagegape', you're playing semantic games. Women weren't allowed to go to higher education, they were stuck doing menial labor on the farms and in the house. Families that had …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 03:16 AM
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Those so called matriarchies weren't ruled by women, those societies were run by men too. Only a few societies managed to accomplish anything noteworthy and it wasn't due to being male or female dominated.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 02:11 AM
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I wouldn't say this is bluepill, this is more debunking a lot of mens' wishful thinking here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 01:56 AM
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Then don't try to date women in their 20s for the rest of your life and you won't run into that problem. Some guys just don't care or they delude themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 01:25 AM
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But he still gets to eat. Any man who wants to fuck college aged women into middle age will have to accept the nature of the relationship will change once he ceases to be a young hot guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 01:01 AM
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Im arguing against the notion that men don’t actually love women, and that the reason we don’t send them off to die in wars is because we need them for babies. And if men love women, why do they love them? Unlike all this male moral superiority nonsense, no one loves anyone without an underlying selfish drive. It is very clear that men only love women for their fertility. it’d be better to just create breeding warehouses and keep women in perpetual pregnancy cycles. Women were kept perpetually p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 09:23 PM
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The guy you're talking claims to have had his wife recommended to him by a Bush family member. It's not "fun activities", it's money. But hey doesn't matter, had sex. Men need to stop being so neurotic about the feels if they want to have sex with young women into middle age.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 09:15 PM
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Why were there mass rapes in every military conquest? Human nature is unsavory.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 03:48 PM
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As opposed to what happened in my family which clearly wasn't historical? Well of course. Women were usually barred from education and public life, didn't have careers but had to work their asses off, and were considered inferior to men. Check out developing countries today. you'll need to pick a concrete time/place to compare. Then we can go apples to apples. How about Greece and Rome, the crown jewels of the West? Or Ancient China. Also... and I said this before repeatedly but you seem to igno…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 07:45 AM
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I'm not very critical because modern science brings terrible news about reality and religion mitigates some of the harshness in life. I don't blame people for trying to cope as long as they don't get too annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 07:36 AM
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I agree then. That is a far cry from 30+ year old men being the preferred demographic of college girls though
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 05:49 AM
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Add on: I don't believe in the draft today if that is what you are arguing against. I'm just saying it is as clear as day why young men were sent off to fight instead of young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 04:34 AM
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This would all obviously be taken into consideration. There are endless ways women could be incorporated into battle, even as just standard infantry. If you’ve used all available men, you could easily bolster your forces by adding women. As I said, if losing the war means being destroyed, why hold back so much? All the men could be killed, would the survivors send the women then? If women could easily be incorporated and it was worth the cost we would have done it. Male and female child soldiers…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 04:31 AM
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No the average man could, but below average men exist, in fact statistically speaking they are probably around 25% of men. Almost all men are stronger than almost all women. https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/4vcxd0/almost_all_men_are_stronger_than_almost_all_women/ Again, men caring about women isn't based on a logical cost benefit analysis, it just is. You can suggest it's because evolution somehow knows women are necessary for repopulation and thus men care about them, but that…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 04:14 AM
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We subconsciously value the potential that is there. If it were evolutionary useful to chuck young fertile women out to war, it would have happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 04:10 AM
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What I don't understand is why care about earning potential if you don't actually need the money because you already have that covered. She shouldn't care about earning potential if a man making less is the best she can get. However if she can get better, she shouldn't throw away her youth. Hypergamy can be explained with solely with women's tiny window of attractiveness. If women were as fertile as long as men and didn't have to bear the burden of childbearing, they would still be hypergamous i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 04:08 AM
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Older guys have more resources and take the young women. Those are her preferences. Why do studies show that women 18-24 date similar aged men then? You are looking at outliers and trying to make it look like the rule. If women truly lose options with age, why would they select for much older men? Men die sooner and partnering with a significantly older man meant a woman will have to spend much of her life fending for herself. It's not like she can get another man to protect her since you guys l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 04:03 AM
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They do have male and female child soldiers in other parts of the world today and historically but that is not preferable to young strong men and happens more rarely. Older women were usually mothers then and would have been drafted for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 03:59 AM
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Can, not will. Anything can happen. There is a wealth of studies showing almost all men can overpower even the strongest of women. What about some 120 pound dude who never played tennis. He's walking on and beating the Williams sisters? Fuck no. You and i both know that's ridiculous. The average Joe would be able to kick their asses when it came to physical combat though. Tennis is harder because it would involve him training his hand eye coordination. What are we basing that on? You realize eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 03:59 AM
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A woman's youth and fertility. The only thing men care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 03:54 AM
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Women are smaller, and have larger reserves of body fat. They would take up military equipment, food, training, and horses. If you put women into a group formation like they used to do in battles , their reduced strength while carrying heavy weapons and armor would significant reduce the function of the formation. This would make it much easier for the enemy to pick everyone off, not just the weak links. They’re attracted to their youth and fertility. And honestly, if a man loves his mother, it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 03:54 AM
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Many people have careers 24-30. The window of attractiveness isn't totally gone by then. And no woman under 25 should ever consider throwing away years on men who they will support or have "potiential".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 03:16 AM
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Same reason they avoided sending old men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 03:13 AM
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Oh really? So any Joe schmo could beat up Ronda roused? Nope. Fit women can get their asses kicked by unfit men. The Williams sisters were destroyed by a male tennis player ranked #204. He had even been partying beforehand. The women who survive will procreate There wouldn't have been enough of them. If it was useful, we would have valued women for their fertility less and valued them for like men. However it was not useful and we didn't evolve that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 03:12 AM
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They would be like a very weak male, and we know they still ended up in battle. The weakest men are still stronger than the strongest women. And who is going to be the "breeding mares" for the next generation?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 02:59 AM
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You’d have limitations like no women under 20. That is still a massive cut of fertile women and life was much harsher then, you needed new babies constantly because most would die. Just having an extra person doing something is advantageous in most cases. Weak or not. They can soak bullets. They might consume more resources than they give back. I know, the point was that we don’t sacrifice our women for more reasons than simply their biological worth. Men love women. They love a woman's youth an…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 02:58 AM
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They care about women's utility to them which is youth and fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 02:53 AM
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What’s common? Most people date and marry people their own age. I know this is a sore spot for a lot of people here but come on. We all have eyes, we all see what goes on around us and we can all read s the statistics. No one wants to admit they go downhill with age. Men have a hard time admitting their attraction to 18-24 year olds isn't symmetrical. I find myself puzzled when I see men say how shitty women get with age and then find out they have kids. If they actually believed that they shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 02:52 AM
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Studies have shown partner age preferences more closely follows women's desires. https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners-is-Different-for-Men-and-Women/ Young men having a hard time getting laid is not due to older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 02:49 AM
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If you killed all the young women, you society might not be able to recover. Women could disrupt military strategies due to their inferior strength. Humans aren't wired to throw away young women of their in group like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 02:44 AM
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Actually no, they could disrupt battle strategies. Military gear is very heavy to start. They would consume more of your resource and give less.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 02:43 AM
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It was for their benefit also, women fighting would lower their chances of survival on the battlefield. It would lower their chances of survival when they got back. It may impede their mass rape of conquered women also.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 02:31 AM
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Because they respect utility and benefit to the group. Not out of selflessness. War was often a time to spread your genes, whenever men conquered, they raped all the women they could find.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 02:28 AM
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They didn't ask, they had to fight for it. Men acquiesced since they didn't believe it would effect them negatively. If men cared about feminine gender roles as much as youth, they would have fought it a lot harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 01:45 AM
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It's not because they care about women and their beings, women just provide a different utility to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 01:39 AM
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Why should a woman throw away her tiny window of attractiveness when she can do better?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 01:35 AM
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No one wants their past to matter when it can be used against them, and everyone is biased towards their own self interest. I see the same coping and hamstering in men everyday here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 10:38 PM
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Women are able to cast aside their gender roles because all men care about it youth and beauty, if she has that, she's golden.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 10:15 PM
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He said more "more pleasant". I'm assuming that means that means less narcissistic and bpd, and more agreeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 10:06 PM
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Why would they behave more pleasantly when they have more options? Female cheating is also at it's height 18-30. You might just have gotten lucky or are good at selecting out less pleasant women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 10:05 PM
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I don't think older men can't pull young women in great enough numbers to cause younger men to have a hard time. The younger women who want older men are almost always looking for a different type of relationship also. The main reason men struggle on dating apps is how unbalanced the gender ratio is. I tried online as a woman seeking women and it was much more balanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 09:25 PM
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more pleasant and easier This is the halo effect. There is a wealth of empirical evidence showing that narcissism, lower agreeableness, and bpd traits are at their peak in peoples' youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 09:07 PM
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True. My guess is that Op's mom was very attractive in her youth, once that window closed and she realized that his dad was the best she will have from now on. I can see how she might have wondered if she could have done even better. Still something that should never have been voiced.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 06:54 PM
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I think she means the salary of a doctor, which is more like 1% of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 04:38 PM
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But what happened in my family is what happened historically. Women were not given choices, were denied educations, and had to marry someone and basically look after/work for them. Most lower class women lived like this. In many societies only men could divorce their wives. Women were forced into marriages and couldn't leave them or ever get financial independence until recently. This is how the vast majority of people lived their lives every single day. Sure there were blips were it was better …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 04:27 PM
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Combination of male variability and not having the burden of carrying children coupled with a much shorter window to have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 06:00 PM
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You are projecting your own focus on sex onto me. You cannot conceive of someone who just doesn't care about sex and relationships and would rather just pursue hobbies and talk to people/befriend them. Normally I would be offended but you are just so caught up in your own lack of sex that I just feel sorry for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 05:39 PM
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so while they get a bit of a "halo effect" for being attractive, it's not nearly as strong of a difference. Attractive men get just as much of a halo effect as attractive women, they just have the added bonus of being valued for their contributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 01:26 PM
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Progressives on reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 01:21 PM
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Entering high school as an asexual was the biggest factor for me. Another one was watching my parents behavior before and after they divorced. Truly awalt and amalt.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 01:20 PM
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And yet you demand women fuck you on the third date or before, that's not conducive to a low n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 04:35 AM
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Is any woman going to admit to not find her husband attractive here?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 09:31 PM
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Well you are unique on this forum then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 09:26 PM
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All women were young but that fades and there is nothing they can do it mitigate it. Men only value women for something that fades a little with each day. Men cheat more as the couple ages, make of that what you will. Women are hypergamous because we have a tiny window of attractiveness before we become "post wall hags" according to PPD men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 09:26 PM
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Men are more likely to fuck teens in pretty much any study. Attraction to teenage girls is part of male nature, not female nature. This "women totally do it more they just don't get caught" is cope. Funny how you like to tell us we are over the hill by 24 but change your tune whenever it makes you look worse than it already does.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 09:21 PM
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I have said over and over again that I am talking about on average and you keep mentioning exceptions. You are trying to act like the exceptions erase the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 09:17 PM
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Are you saying that older women have the same propensity to wanting to fuck teens as older men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 09:16 PM
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They are more publicized because they are more rare. Women as a whole are attracted to men their age while men would rather have a 14- 17 year old than a 35+ year old woman if you removed all cultural programming.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 09:06 PM
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The only way you can prove your point is to show that for most of history women, on average, had it worse than men of an equivalent social hierarchy. Most people were farmers in ancient societies. Women had to raise children and work their asses off on a farm with the side dish of less legal rights and choices. Men were the majority of artisans and tradesmen who had a better life than the female (and male) farmers and their own fucking wives. In terms of average daily life, men had it better and…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 08:58 PM
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I don't understand how men say stuff like this and then want women with an n count below 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 03:47 PM
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The idea being you can live indefinetely until something else (accidents, suicide, etc) kills you. That is scary as hell. I guess so is slowly aging though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 03:42 PM
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Exactly. He is going for the women high in SMV and then complains about the "leverage" they have over him. A lot of incels are funny if you think about it, they have traits that are low in demand but demand traits that are high in demand from women. A young thin woman with no kids is not their SMV match.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 03:38 PM
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Marriage would either go away entirely or there would be massive changes like contracts that had to be renewed. Age gap relationships might be super common because everyone looks the same age and there are no aging signs to stop attraction from forming. Either that or there are no age gap relationships since the upsides of a younger partner are gone and someone would have more in common with their peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 02:15 PM
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Add on: You really think it was men who only had shitty jobs like chimney sweeps in the industrial revolution? Women would work hours in factories, sometimes their jaws would rot off from the chemicals. They dealt with all of that coupled with less rights. For every 6 year old orphan sold off as deckhand, there was a girl left on the street in Rome to be picked up by slavers. Women had to work and raise children coupled with having less choice and rights than their male peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 02:06 PM
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You clearly didn't understand how rough pregnancy if you think it is not much worse than being a craftsmen, artisan, or even male farmer. I thought you were talking about men who were kidnapped as sailors. That is why I mentioned them having the choice. Women were kidnapped too, they were forced to work and be sex slaves often. They were often raped by the guys who were conscripted to fight wars. To think the you would have the audacity to compare taking care of children at home to dying of tren…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 02:01 PM
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While there were a few exceptions, the ranking has always been rich men > rich women > poor women > poor men. My dad grew up without, a fridge washing machine, and had to slaughter animals for food. My grandmother worked all day and had to work for my grandfather when he come home. Who had it better? Even non-war occupations were extremely hazardous to life and limb. Sailors constantly needed to be replenished at port because they lost so many at sea, often kidnapped and forced to work Most peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 01:14 PM
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Society naturally sweeps the unsavory parts of reality under the rug. Do we openingly talk about how there is no objective morality, meaning to life, justice, and how we are all in slowly decaying bodies that will one day die?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 10:11 AM
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Yes but it is not as accurate as comparing apples to apples. And like I said, America is not the only country in the world and it is extremely young. Just because something is true in the American context, that does not mean it is true everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 10:03 AM
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You do realize history exists outside of the United States right? You are changing the topic when you bring up American racial politics. I forgot you guys can't talk about anything else and only see the world through your racial politics. When you compare rich women to poor men you are comparing apples to oranges. Bringing up that some privileged white women lived in pomp and luxury doesn't change the fact many poorer white women were not as well off as poorer white men. Though they were better …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 09:58 AM
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i do still believe actual religious men still care about murder and fetuses They definitely do but those are getting rarer today.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 09:57 AM
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Women have a tiny window of sexual leverage over men. Something needs to counterbalance it. How about you stop going after women in the peak of their smv (20s)? Hypergamy is just as oppressive/exploitative as male polygyny and youth fetishization.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 08:28 AM
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Heightism has nothing to do with feminism, it is just a primal preference for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 09:51 AM
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Eh, i was almost sure most here were pro choice. Did I get it wrong? You didn't there is just an undercurrent I have noticed and been disturbed by. But in my head, the cut was that men believed that if women have the choice of abortion, men should have the right to financial abortion (or paid financial abortion. I.e. he pays a price and the woman decided if she uses to abort or not) too in order to equilibrate the rights of the man and woman. I agree. That is not the reason they give here, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 09:49 AM
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It is up to everyone to look at subtle social cues and see past masks everyone puts up. I knew so many "red pills" by the time I was 15. People need to start being more socially aware instead of just believing what some random man or woman says.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 09:37 AM
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My wife has neither youth nor fertility yet I still appreciate her for her being. Had she never been fertile I would have appreciated her just as much as I have and do. Most men are like that. If you met your wife today, would you still pursue her? Even if you say yes, the men here make it perfectly clear they would not. They only value women for something that fades a little each day. Had she never been fertile I would have appreciated her just as much as I have and do. Most men are like that. …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 09:34 AM
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They most likely come from bitter people who have not lived totally normal lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 01:18 PM
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Before coming here, I was much softer on the pro-life movement than most of my liberal friends and family. I actually believed that they were doing it because they had empathy for the fetus. Then I came here and saw that a lot of men are against abortion because they do want women to be punished with pregnancy. I know not all pro-lifers are like this but I foolishly believed there wasn't a significant undercurrent of people like that in their movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 12:00 PM
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As I have suggested previously, women cannot even conceive of what it means to appreciate someone else for that person’s being without regard to the utility of that person to the self. Men value women for their youth and fertility, something that is based on utility to themselves. Are you saying that men are devoid of selfish drives? Even parents love their children on the condition they are their children, which is based on utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 11:54 AM
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I'm only talking about the men in this thread. They also tend to be the ones who demand feminine women more than normal men. when you guys ROUTINELY dog on men left right and center loudly proudly and publicly, and then have the gall to be like "omg why are you taking it personally" Men do the exact same thing to women on here. This place is a cesspit but a fun one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 08:57 AM
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Is it a serious case? I'm sorry this is happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 06:49 AM
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No one wants to admit that they will go downhill with age here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 12:12 AM
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Couldn't we try to encourage real world socialization?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 11:02 PM
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Women are better on average. LMFAO source. https://time.com/4975232/women-surgeon-surgery/ Because there are less female doctors and surgeons. Studies say the same about internists, the majority of internists are women. Schools are feminized. Men performed much better when you didn't get expelled for a simple fight, or chastised for not being overly agreeable. Nope. College was male dominated for most of the 1900s and women still outperformed men. It actually doesn't mean that at all, again lmfa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 10:34 PM
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Women are better on average. Patients are less likely to die with a female doctor or surgeon. Male variability means that there are going to be more male innovators but most men perform below women. Women have outperformed men from elementary school to graduate school since the early 1900s. The thing is male variability leads to the conclusion that male sexlessness is necessary and male disposability is justified, something not very popular on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 10:13 PM
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The studies I found, showed more similarities with men and women. There is a wealth of studies showing the genetic underpinnings of this and how high n people are also more impulsive, less risk adverse, and lower in agreeableness. High N people are a bad choice statistically speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 10:00 PM
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Yeah the biggest factor is how someone ages is sun exposure. Tbh that just post pones looking like shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 10:00 PM
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.1 percent of men are polymaths and men are the majority of narcissists. Men are also the majority of dregs to society. Male variability, which is often touted here justifies not caring about men. The world would be better if those men didn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 09:43 PM
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Exactly. So many men are saying how useless women are to society and then act shocked when women want to take on a more masculine role. Stop crying about the lack of "feminine" women if you devalue femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 09:43 PM
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Everyone only loves for utility if you break it down to it's most basic level. Men loving women for their youth and fertility is just as conditional/based on utility. Even parents love their children based on their utility. Stop putting inhuman standards on the world, it lessens to disappoint when you learn about reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 09:30 PM
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I don't care about your study. Not in this context. Sorry. Such a midwit thing to do, pull a study out your ass to prove something of this nature. Empirical truths are as valid as conceptual truths. So you want to believe what you wish is true instead of the truth. Got it. Regardless, you already admitted women like older guys anyways. And im gonna stick with my personal observation over some pedantic study that looks at pigments. Lol. Men age better. When did I say that? The study found they li…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 04:41 AM
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They just don't though. Men's grown man strength really kicks in much later and woman's beauty standards are far more stringent. That's not the study says. I was talking about perceived age on someone's face, not "strength". Men's strength is another matter but athleticism for men does not peak 30+. Even great athletes 30+ were better in many ways if you look at old clips of them. Fuck, our brains start to slow down at 24. Those are just ideals. Men can always find younger women willing to date …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 04:26 AM
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Men have a perceived age slightly older than their chronological age, the reverse is true for women. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11524516/ When looking purely at skin physiology, men have some protective factors against aging. But they are like you and think they will age better just by being men and then end up aging worse. Male pattern baldness could also be a factor, that obliterates men's looks. Look at Francisco Lachowski, that was tragic. Men are also held back by female choice in term…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 03:54 AM
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The instability is caused by a genetic sociosexuality in both men and women. It is less correlated with men because they can't wrack up a high number in the same way women can. Doesn't change the fact that they aren't wired from monogamy. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10743879 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10743879
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 09:24 PM
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in 95% of cases Literally nothing about women matters except their vagina and sex appeal. In all cases if you break it down to the most basic level.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 01:10 PM
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Like all things in life, love is conditional. Even parents don't love their children unconditionally, they love them because they are their children. Men just don't see their conditions and think "oh we love unconditionally".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 07:35 PM
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Men are not attracted to high n count women for primal reasons (paternity certainty), women haven't evolved that repulsion due to always knowing who their children are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 06:49 AM
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And now the person who knows nothing about the people or environment she brought up is presumptuous enough to tell a person about whom she presumed that he is inaccurately describing the environment in which he worked for longer than she has been alive that he is imagining things? I'm not saying you didn't experience what you experienced, I'm saying that doesn't apply in general. If it did, women would all date powerful men in their 20s who are 10+ years older. That happens very rarely. It sound…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 06:37 AM
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Oh my dad did and would tell me how it's harder to get hired as you age. He was a quant and did consulting if that matters. Most people report it is harder to get hired as you age in all careers. Some government agencies put in a max age of 35. And the men who did the best with women (including the new 22-24 year old analysts fresh out of college) were never the young (22-28 year old newbs who were relatively weak in the pecking order, they were always the most Once again you are sounding like a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 05:54 AM
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High N people cheat more due to a genetic sociosexuality, this applies to men too. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10743879
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 05:47 AM
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I buy that she's telling the truth, this sub attracts weird people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 05:45 AM
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That does not mean they aren't attracted to other women. Take that up with PPD men, I am just repeating what you guys say. So now when it paints men unfavorably, you go back to being attracted to "post wall hags"? 18 - 20 year olds I'm sure it would be 14 to 20 if there was no age of consent laws to worry about and creep shaming was removed. Might as well just say it instead of putting it suspiciously at 18 and then ending it at 20. Men settle for older women the same way women settle for less a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 05:19 AM
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Data seems to support that looks matter more. Do you really think that those women fantasize about an old man with wrinkles when they read all those romance novels about hot powerful guys? They are imaging a hot guy who is either their age or slightly older. Youth and vitality is power, it means the world is in front of you. A lot of men working on Wall Street try to look younger and hide their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 04:19 AM
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We often want and do things that aren't conducive to happiness. Evolution doesn't care about happiness, it cares about survival. Evolution would have us popping out kids in our teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 01:48 AM
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It's sad that's what attracts women like crazy to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 01:15 AM
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High n men are more likely to cheat due to genetic sociosexuality, same reason women are. Women just haven't evolved being repulsed to them because we always know who our children are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 10:38 PM
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I've seen a lot of your posts and I want to ask, do you feel trust as an emotion? I don't feel trust as an emotion either (at least not to the extent other people seem to) and I notice some similar thought patterns. I could be misreading you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 10:34 PM
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untreated esp mania attracts women like crazy How do you act when you're manic?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 08:57 PM
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That's the difference, men spend their whole lives finding average women to be attractive partners. Men here will say that and then will go on to say they only want to date 18-24 year olds. Those are not average women or their SMV match.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 07:07 PM
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No one likes to hear it but that's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 07:03 PM
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Well I've never seen it. It seems like men's aesthetic preferences for men age up with them. There have been studies that show that our brains start to slow down at 24, we really aren't built to last long. Why would time whittling away at you be more attractive? Most of the single 22 to 28 year old women in my social scene (rural ski bum, outdoorsy) regularly date men much older than themselves. This is starting to sound like bloopers talking about how they know a short ugly guy who slays. Studi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 07:01 PM
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That's either something that only existed when your head (both men and women like to deny that they are at their most robust and attractive in their 20s) or you had a major babyface and looked like a kid most of your 20s. Since I don't know you, I can't tell but I have never seen anyone look better at 30+ than they did 20-30
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 06:41 PM
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How about compared to the 70s, 80s, and 90s? Most studies find young people to be having less sex than their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 08:26 AM
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Did you feel damaged from missing out on teen dating like a lot of guys seem to here?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 08:14 AM
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Younger generations are having less sex than previous generations. We're doing less adult things in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 08:13 AM
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Do you get horny? I do but it is dissociated from any desire towards a specific person. I feel arousal and a need to release tension/kill boredom but I don't really feel sexual pleasure. I was very confused when people would talk about a woman's clit being sensitive. Some asexuals have no libido and some can actually be turned on and enjoy fantasies. The latter used to be called an autosexual by early sex researchers. Do you still want someone in a more romantic way? Personally I don't but the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 08:10 AM
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Single childless women live longer. Happiness is subjective and hard to measure but lifespan is concrete. In fact some studies show it is men who suffer more when they are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 07:24 AM
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There have been studies finding that people (both men and women) remember the years they were young most fondly. This obviously means missing out on your youth fucking sucks. I feel sorry for the people who do. However both of these situations are unideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 02:57 AM
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0 19f 2 relationships as a teen before I accepted my asexuality Extravert 9 because it is impossible for me to be perfectly satisfied with anything I have scored high in openness and lowish in agreeableness
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 02:34 AM
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1 in 4 women take psychiatric medicine compared to 1 in 6 men. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/1-in-6-americans-takes-a-psychiatric-drug/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 02:05 AM
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The real world is too terrible to admit. Not just when it comes to dating but when it comes to pretty much anything in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 01:51 AM
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Looks are the best predictor of attraction. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19558447 Women aren't imagining an old wrinkled man when they fantasize about a powerful man. If a treatment game out that got to rewind/freeze our bodies to a certain age, everyone would do it in their 20s sometime. No one would be freezing themselves at 35, 42, or 55. There have been studies that people look most favorably on the years in which they were young. Obviously men get a better deal when it comes to aging…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 12:32 AM
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Everyone who learns too much about the opposite sex will have to keep bitterness at bay. Our imperatives are at odds and once the veil is lifted, everyone is bound to find the truth unsavory.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 12:30 AM
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I've never seen an attractive guy over 40. If there is an attractive man who is older, it's inspite of it not because of it. The only attractive older people are those who look young. Aging is literally dying, it's no ones friend. Not even men in the 99.9th percentile can beat it. http://www.newnownext.com/male-supermodels-90s/08/2017/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 10:44 PM
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Not in other studies like the one I shared. It found men had more hair greying and more numerous and deeper wrinkles. More grey hair and more hair loss. Your study said "Age‐related facial shape change was similar in both sexes until around age 50, at which time the female aging trajectory turned sharply" The thing is everyone is old and ugly at 50 so I don't really see this as meaning anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 10:14 PM
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It seems to me like a massive cope. Look at male models then and now, they can't hold a candle to their youth. The studies clearly show eventually men age out of attracting young attractive women. The man I was arguing with before you started to sound like a blooper saying "ugly guys can slay because of their personality". Just like I predicted. Not to mention, men's bodies break down internally much faster than women's. Mortality denial at it's peak.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 10:14 PM
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Add on: It seems to be a bitter pill for men that eventually time stops giving to them and begins to whittle away at us all. A lot of this "women are all old and irrelevant while men stay at their prime" and "men age better than women because men are valued for different things, they can always get women in their 20s" is just mortality denial. Or maybe it is a way to cope with lost years.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 07:51 PM
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When looking purely at skin physiology yes but thats not what happens in practice. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11524516/ Also the study you shared is after menopause.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 07:47 PM
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Where does that say men don't lose facial harmony with age? Older men are held back by female choice. They lose desirability with young attractive women. https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners-is-Different-for-Men-and-Women/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 06:33 PM
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Those studies I linked found no difference in lesbian domestic violence and that past studies were unreliable for a host of reasons. You should be ashamed of yourself for minimizing women’s abusive behaviors because they cause less physical injury. You're right. I'm sorry about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 03:18 AM
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Doesn't change the fact that most of the the people who put their partner in the hospital are male and that you are grasping at straws to try and say gay relationships are better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_lesbian_relationships#Prevalence
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 03:10 AM
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No. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321199711_Gender_and_the_Stability_of_Same-Sex_and_Different-Sex_Relationships_Among_Young_Adults Those studies equated throwing objects from a distance and slapping to beating up and strangling.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 01:57 AM
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That's because lesbian couples move in way earlier. Also if you look at the article it said the gay male divorce rate got lower when they move in together. Not that it was now the same as lesbians and heterosexual couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 01:23 AM
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/meet-catch-and-keep/201710/are-same-sex-or-heterosexual-relationships-more-stable Gay male couples have more dissolutions than lesbians. Divorce is not the only break up. But that isn’t all we care about. You are very unique in saying that here. Most men will proudly say they find women over the hill past 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 06:51 PM
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AMALT, might as well select for good genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 08:24 AM
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Yes but like you said, those women were talking about how to deal with the wall. It's just that anything less than absolute despair and fatalism is denial and "cope" to some men here. Catastrophizing unsavory parts of reality is harmful and I see that a lot here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 07:19 AM
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Unrestricted sociosexuality (which is genetic) is what causes a high N count.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 11:21 PM
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Anything less than saying the wall is a life ending event for a woman is denying the wall to some people. I remember there was a post by a woman saying she felt more confident and happier in her 30s and there was a bunch of men who felt the need to call 30+ women hags. Men will never stop evaluating women through their fuckability first.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 08:43 PM
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Why are there studies showing men and women with a unrestricted sociosexuality cheat at the same rates then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 08:37 PM
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There have been studies showing men and women with a unrestricted sociosexuality cheat at the same rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 08:37 PM
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That would most likely be useless, even if a woman had it ready to go in her hand. The strength difference between men and women is just too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 02:38 AM
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This is just the halo effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 02:34 AM
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Welcome back.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 11:02 PM
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But younger men are more attractive too. The "shame" is the same shame for an ugly young man pursuing a woman way out of his league. It just annoys and grosses out most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 11:15 PM
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Am I saying he should care? Men are the once trying to rationalize it to themselves and people here. It is unsavory to me, and if most women truly think about it, they will find it unsavory too. That woman who likes older men will eventually be a "post wall hag" to him, doubt she would like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 10:43 PM
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For the same reason other things are creepy, they just are. I feel disgusted when a man over 30 hits on me. After coming to PPD, I feel even more skeeved out. It's probably for the same reason that women feel grossed out by unattractive men hitting on them. The male attraction to youth is an unsavory part of male nature, I'm sure men have their own discoveries on unsavory parts of female nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 10:29 PM
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True but eventually a man will become a creepy old guy hitting on grossed out 22 year old. It's not that 40 year old women hold the cards, it's that 20 year old women hold the cards and don't want to date less attractive men. This is what leads to age of partners more closely following womens' preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 07:05 PM
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All the men talking about how women have life on easy mode are only looking at young fertile women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 07:01 PM
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They don't grow naturally but you can buy them and grow them yourself. What do Indian strawberries taste like?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 04:31 AM
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Wild Strawberries
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 02:45 AM
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It's more peoples' just world fallacy falling apart than repulsion for systemizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 02:43 AM
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This is your anecdotal experience, I am looking at statistical trends. If men could actually all attract college aged women, they would all be with them. Unfortunately for men, they are held back by female choice. https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners-is-Different-for-Men-and-Women/ Men had a perceived age slightly older than their real age, it was the reverse for women. The study found men had more numerous and deeper wrinkles, hair loss, and more …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 11:25 PM
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The other stuff was things like not smiling, narcissism (which both men and women respond positively too for the same reason I gave for psychopathy), and machiavellanism. One of the things you shared said Machiavellian men would engage in love feigning. Instead of blasting me with studies, show me something that doesn't say the obvious which is women prefer more dominant men who are extraverted. If you can find that women are actually attracted to meanness instead of low anxiety and extraversion…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 08:55 PM
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Not when using the triarchic description of psychopathy. "Psychopathy" is a vague word and has a lot of elements to it. Dominance is not meanness, it only looks like that to passive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 08:05 PM
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My suspicion is that it’s mostly younger women denying that older men can get with younger women. By the time you hit my age (40) you really start to see it. When most women say that, they are imaging older men with 18-24 year old women since men shout from the rooftops that is the only age range they want here. It's pretty obvious men age out of attracting women in college but they can always get younger wives. I'm speaking statically here, please don't turn into a blooper who likes to ignore s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 08:03 PM
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There was a study that found psychopaths got released from prison 3/4x faster. One of the defining features of psychopathy is superficial charm/social potency. Why is it shocking superficially charming people get more out of life. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4059069/ There have always been studies showing people (both men and women) liking narcissists more due to their superficial charm. Charming and socially potent people are more likable. Sadly for men here, being high inhibit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 07:56 PM
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Most men are incapable of attracting younger women. https://imgur.com/a/Q1BKdHd https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners-is-Different-for-Men-and-Women/ That doesn't change the fact the men get to remain relatively attractive with age and will have more options once they succeed. They may be able to even buy a hot young woman's time, if he isn't a desperate PPD man who wants her to be attracted to him like she would to a young hot man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 07:48 PM
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Wishful thinking. Minoxidil is not as effective as you think it is. Only about 40% of see their hairless stopped and even fewer regrow hair. Men are held back by female choice when it comes to partner age. You can argue they are doing worse since women get men to settle them while men are stuck wanking it to 20 year olds. https://www.aka.fi/en/about-us/media/whats-new/2014/The-Ideal-Age-of-Sexual-Partners-is-Different-for-Men-and-Women/ Reality is hard on all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 07:41 PM
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And so are the men. I guess you don't see that since they agree with your imperative. I dated both women and men and would hands down rather be attracted to women, for all the downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 07:37 PM
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Most cultures were polygamist throughout history.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 09:34 AM
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Way too many men are the same. How many men, have multiple affairs, trophy wives and trade-in their wives on upgrades? How isn't that Hypergamy? It's polygyny. They seek many relationships with young, attractive, women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 09:28 AM
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False https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11524516/ Like I said, I really wish I could be this deluded. This is probably why men have slower rates of depression lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 08:29 AM
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Anyone who is very into gender politics is sus but I don't think there is any empirical data against male feminists. I'm not a hypocrite when I say this, if I were not asexual I would not be on this forum. I already knew the gist of most of the "uncomfortable truths" spoken about here since I was 15/16, having men's most unsavory nature thrown at my face here would be unideal for dating. I feel sorry for anyone who dates 90% of posters here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 08:15 AM
2

Statistically men who believe in more traditional roles like "men can sleep around but women can't because of their nature" are more likely to be abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:16 AM
5

Hair loss seems worse since it is visible on your face. It obliterated Francisco Lachowski.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 07:57 PM
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Yeah aging sucks. I wish I were like PPD men in the sense I could delude myself that it is good and won't affect my life at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 07:40 PM
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I don't care about them in general. I do feel a little bit of repulsion to those who now seek a relationship with low N women, they imposed what they viewed as damaging on someone else for their own pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 04:39 PM
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Men with an unrestrained sexual orientation are just as likely to cheat as women. High N men also imposed what they thought was damaging onto someone else for their own pleasure, marking them as selfish. Studies have shown men with those views are more likely to be abusive... All in all, they should be avoided if you think about it logically.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 04:36 PM
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Exactly. But we're talking about SMV of naturally beta men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 04:00 PM
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I'm not talking about sex. I'm talking about men who are losers and degrade themselves for women out of their league, are virgins, are unmasculine and have to wear a mask, ect. If a man has to be told by reddit how to get laid, he is beta genes masquerading as "alpha" genes. Ever wonder why redpill is so hated? One of the reasons is natural disgust of men trying to game the female selection system. Women do care about a man's past (like men care about women's), despite men's wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 03:54 PM
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Most guys aren't high value though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 03:53 PM
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Anyone who learns too much about the opposite sex will have to keep the bitterness at bay.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 04:57 AM
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Why do men have trouble after they are virgins at a certain age? Why is there so much repulsion to take of gaming the female selection system? Women want naturally attractive men. Not someone wearing a mask or someone who had to be told how to trick women by reddit. Do you really think a woman knowing her man used to be a passive loser who orbited girls and degraded himself for girls out of his league won't reconsider?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 04:46 AM
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And the woman can find a man who isn't fake attractive and will therefore have better genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 03:09 AM
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Thats wishful thinking. A woman knowing her man used to be a loser will kill attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 03:08 AM
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Yeah, and so what do you want to do about it, force the men to have different thoughts lmao Nothing, i'm just answering the OPs question.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 01:47 AM
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Then why do men here say that if a woman was used by men in the past she has to confess it to men in the future and allow them to use her the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 01:44 AM
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How about women being born in such a sex positive and obsessed society? Either we are all entitled to growth and improvement or none of us are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 01:32 AM
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Oh hi, did you find your teenage girlfriend yet? I'm not saying anyone is entitled to commitment, I'm saying that men believe they are entitled to grow but that women can't and will always be defined by their past and have to continue to be used. No man would ever confess his beta self to every girl he meets and allow her to use him would he?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 01:31 AM
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Do you think betas should continue to be used since they aren't giving their best?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 09:26 PM
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It is just men feeling entitled to human growth and human experience but denying women the same to suit their imperative. I bet men don't think betas should be forced to confess their beta past and continued to be used. Everyone should try to hide the more unsavory parts of their pasts once they grow.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 09:24 PM
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Yeah, I'm not sure if that is the main conclusion. There are a lot of factors that we can't simply rule out in favor of female choice which itself can be ambiguous. This seems like wishful thinking. Why doesn't studies saying women find men around their age the most physically attractive and large age gape relationships being rare point to men being held back by female choice? the reasons that women prefer older men is that they tend to be a little bit more mature than the men their age. They al…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 07:22 PM
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All relationships are conditional in life. This sub is awash with men who don't want women who are older since youth is a condition for their love. They are all equally conditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 05:50 PM
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You are both damaging each other. Stop making excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 03:15 PM
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Go to incels.co and tell me if thats how men see women. I love how men screech about women trying to deny sex to avoid this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 03:13 PM
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Maybe she did, but the groups reaction is proof women should sleep around and act in mens interest. It never goes well for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 03:08 AM
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Men are polygynous and crave sexual variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 01:48 AM
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Yes every man is over 45 years old and incapable of maintaining their looks lmao sounds like someone's got a case of the delusional-dried-up-vag with a side of biological-clock-ticking Ive never seen an attractive man over 35. Why is the average man only 3 years older than his wife? Hint: it's because men are held back by female choice. lmao sounds like someone's got a case of the delusional-dried-up-vag with a side of biological-clock-ticking I'm probably younger than you. I feel sorry for you.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 01:46 AM
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Then make it illegal or shut the fuck up. The women are breaking the law and nothing gets done and you hypocrites blather on about morality and men's nature lmao. The internet is full of the mugshots of female teachers who fuck students, they get more attention since it is rarer. Pretty soon men will only, exclusively date women of the minimum legal age (as you seem to inruit, it's hags selfishness which transforms into social shaming that stops that from happening now), and your dusty, rancid v…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 10:37 PM
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Fuck being the bigger person that is slave morality winners go for the lowest common denominator that's why they rule us That applies to someone who has hurt you personally, not a stranger. So you want to fuck teenagers, you know this is scummy however you justify it with other people being the same. Got it. Thank you for admitting that fucking minors is part of mens interest. It is also why we are more harsh on men who do this, we know it is a part of their nature that needs to be kept on a lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 09:44 PM
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I never said it is ok. Most people don't think it is ok. And even if people did, why should you stoop to their level and hurt someone? Progress isn't made by people copying scum.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 09:29 PM
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No need to be cruel to her. This is like women be unnecessarily brutal to unattractive men who ask them out. It is not even what you did personally. This story is just one of the many examples of women thinking they can enter casual relationships with men and not lose social status.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 09:12 PM
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Hahaha I knew she wouldn't be a random girl or a former girlfriend. Exhibit 135679 why women should never enter those types of relationships with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 09:01 PM
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Oh how convenient are you the only living person, or does every single fucking thing anyone does or says take place within society? You are talking to me about the morality of fucking teens not society. Yeah look at how angry women were at Asia Argento. Look at how angry women get at FEMALE TEACHERS FUCKING THEIR FUCKING STUDENTS. Oh, right...crickets. Says the person who believes men should do the exact same thing. Look at all the men who say "were was this teacher when I was in high school" Al…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 08:54 PM
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Why would you be proud of doing something like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 08:37 AM
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You are assuming traits are equally distributed between men and women. Looks are harder to rank than things like IQ but I have noticed like many things, men have a lower mean but wider distribution. The average woman has some inherently attractive features like curves and softness while the average man has nothing. The default man's male body is neutral/ugly while the default woman's body is aesthetic. Look at Greek sculpture for example. The most attractive men are more attractive than any woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 08:29 AM
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If a new business comes in and starts offering a better product, do you blame the customers for buying it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 08:12 AM
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Average is just all the numbers you are averaging added together and divided. There are more men 20+ years older than there wives than women 20+ years older than their husbands so this brings the average age difference up slightly. If you believe men strongly prefer younger women, significant age gaps being rare does point to men being held back by female choice. There's no "because women find men of the same age as the most attractive." But there are multiple studies finding that women find men…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 08:10 AM
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Because most people don't need to systemize social systems and interactions like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 08:00 AM
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haha and how much jail time did she do again? Or do any of the women who do that (where ILLEGAL) serve? So NOW fucking minors is immoral and deserves prison time. I agree what she did is scummy. You are not talking to society right now, you are talking to me. So whether she went to prison or not is irrelevant to this convo. Fuck off with your whiny victimhood whatever it is that's dangling or not between your hypocritical legs I'm just pointing out how men think fucking under 18s is okay. You ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 07:58 AM
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Legal does not mean moral. It is astoundingly stupid to equate them. Also at least in my state, it is still rape to have sex with a 16 year old if you have more than 2 or 3 years older. Asia Argento had sex with a 17 year old and he said it hurt him. Maybe you will feel sympathy for a man since your biology prevents the same for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 01:32 AM
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No, PPD men have clearly shown that "AMALT" exists. The only difference is the top 20% actually has the leverage to pull certain AMALT behaviors off. Low value men are bitter they can't be like high value men and that can sometimes make them even more toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 12:21 AM
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Alpha is just a word for autistic men to describe men who are sexually attractive and at the top of the social status hierarchy, those men definitely exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 12:16 AM
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Grown men don't date girls who are under 18 because culture has shown them it is wrong to fuck people who are still in transition from children to adults. On a biological level they don't care, all they see is fertility signs. You can see this in other cultures were men fuck 13-17 year old girls AND boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 11:42 PM
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Because they take a life time to orgasm. I wouldn't say it's such a good argument in your favor. That also leads to longer sex sessions that are more enjoyable. Lesbians have more orgasms than even gay men in some studies. Of course women aren't as sexually driven as men but they aren't unerotic relationships with nothing but platonic feelings. You also ignore that just because there is less sex, doesn't mean you view the other person as just a friend. I know this because I can only love someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 11:33 PM
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It is manipulative but so is everything in life. If I were not asexual I wouldn't waste my youth (what the men here make perfectly clear that is all a woman has) on men who won't give me something in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 11:20 PM
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Not as close as you were making it out to be though ("1 - 3") That was the age where women found men most physically beautiful not the men they decided to date. The average man is 3-5 years older than his wife with a plurality of couples being within 1 year of each other though. Yeah I'm really not sure about that. What people are looking for vs what they end up with are different things, a lot of the time. But that's not true in this case. From dataclasm, the founder of OKC https://imgur.com/a/…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 02:25 AM
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It does though. Unless men start pursuing their smv matches, I won't listen to them saying how sex is a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 11:58 PM
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Asia going as far west as Turkey. doesn't mean that they all enter into relationships with those men Just because women like tall men, it doesn't mean that a 5'6" guy won't get a relationship. You are getting caught up on the exceptions while I am looking at what happens most of the time. I think we basically agree that it is more common for 20 year old women to date men around their age than men over 30. 3 - 6 year age differences don't seem uncommon at all. That's relatively close in age, most…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 10:44 PM
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That wasn't my experience. Those studies on lesbian relationships ignored the fact that lesbians have less frequent but longer sex. I suspect the main cause of the difference is a significantly smaller dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 10:00 PM
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Why not blame the men for sleeping with all the women? Someone "put you out of business" by offering something better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 11:25 AM
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It is innate for men to want youthful partners Don't you see though? When incels want a young woman they are desiring someone who is not their SMV match.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 11:14 AM
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Genes and lifestyle definitely matter more than gender. I remember reading a study that found 80% of skin aging is due to sun exposure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 12:08 AM
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Yes, that is normal and what is meant by "older men." That is like someone from Iran calling themselves "Asian". Technically true but not what the term means colloquially. My grandparents have 11 years between them But that's less common. A man being 6'3" doesn't change the fact that the average man is 5'10". Again, individual differences will apply. I'm 31 but people tell me I look 25, and my childish sense of humor allows me to connect with people who are still teenagers, while also having the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 11:58 PM
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An OKC study found that women always found men around their age (3 years older at max) the most attractive. Does finding men 1-3 years older when you're 18-24 count as older men? I'm 19, and I consider people 1-3 years older and younger to be my peers. If women truly found significantly older men more attractive physically, the average man would be more than 3 years older than his wife. Men seem to prefer settling for a less attractive wife better than paying for a young hot woman's body.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 09:25 PM
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No. I see men here all the time trying to argue that plenty of young attractive women are most physically aroused by older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 09:18 PM
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It's a holdover from a time where it was useful. Civilization has changed our lives quicker than we could evolve.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:35 PM
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When purely looking at skin physiology yes, but not in real life since women take better care of their skin. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11524516/ Women also live 5 years longer than men and some research has said that women's brains age slower than men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:27 PM
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Idk where this is coming from. I preferred dating women to men as an asexual. If I had to choose a gender to be attracted to, I would rather be attracted to women. Though I guess everyone experiences life differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:15 PM
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Everyone just wants to use you. That's how human relationships work. Its all the same whether they want you for your physical beauty, money, or social status. Money is pretty much the only way an older man can have sex with a woman in her early 20s. PPD Men try to deny this but I say it doesn't matter because he still had sex with a hot woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:14 PM
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Might as well pay a prostitute at that point. You can get more attractive women for less effort that way. And besides a man who has to resort to that strategy is barely above a John, and that's if we're being charitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:06 PM
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https://i.redd.it/0xof3qae7wo41.png
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 07:18 PM
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No one here is blue by normal standards. Just because a statement offends men that doesn't mean it is blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 03:42 PM
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An ugly man is not analogous to a well made cake.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 02:55 PM
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Attractiveness is the biggest contributor. How exciting the man is How open the women is to casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 02:30 PM
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That's like someone saying they like vanilla cake with chocolate icing and then you saying "well you wouldn't like that cake if it had no sugar". Both attractiveness and sweetness are assumed when making those statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 05:13 AM
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Men don't owe old women or women with high n-counts anything like women don't owe men sex. It's pretty simple to understand. There is no favoring going on, some women are just not getting what they want, same as men. This seems quite an incellish rant if we switched the genders. Did I ever say they did? I'm just pointing out biology is used as a justification for certain behaviors and preferences in both men and women. I also said it is unreasonable to expect these preferences to go away just be…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 02:08 PM
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It's definitely a major reason but another is TRP language is harsh. If it was put more mildly more people would agree, especially those outside of progressive circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 06:48 AM
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I said it's one of the reasons. Isn't that obvious? You should be ashamed I had to tell you instead of you figuring it out yourself. I don't get why men like to try and patronize me when I say something obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 06:28 AM
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That being said, women just wanna fuck the winners, doesn’t matter how he got there. A man’s present and future is what is most important to women and what determines his value to women That's wishful thinking, women knowing that their man used to be a loser will kill attraction. Women care about genetic quality and that is one reason there is so much repulsion with the redpill or any talk of gaming the female selection system.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 06:21 AM
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The past comes up one way or the either. You think this because you only see the cases where the past does come out. This sounds like some version of "bad people always get whats coming to them because of karma".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 06:17 AM
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It's the male equivalent of a woman hiding her N count. Both are people lying by omission to try and add to their SMV. Women want naturally attractive men, not genetic trash disguised as good genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 06:12 AM
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Are men who were pathetic betas deserve to be that way forever?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 06:08 AM
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Do you people actually ask for details on each others sexual pasts? Personally I think anyone who is smart will try and hide unsavory information about them in all areas of life, not just romance. Betas hiding their beta self and past do the exact same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 06:07 AM
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to excuse women from any and all standards of anything while putting the burden of the world on men's shoulders. It is also used all the time here to favor men. When it comes to N count discussions The male attraction to youth The male demand for supportive and feminine women who satisfy their aesthetic standards The achievement gap between men and women Biology is an explanation for some of these since we are entirely biological beings that developed in an indifferent universe. Doesn't mean we …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 05:54 AM
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Oh I see, her comments have been deleted so I only got what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 11:48 PM
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It's paradoxical. Men want women to have sex with them early and then say it tarnishes a woman when she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 11:02 PM
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Men should have the option to decide if he wants to be responsible for a child or not because women have the same option. If that is not the case, then on that matter, there is one kind of citizen that has more rights than the others. A man's reproductive role is ejaculating into a vagina, a woman's is carrying a baby to term. Both men and women have the right to opt out of their reproductive role. I believe financial abortions should be available to men but let's not pretend it's asking for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 07:08 PM
1

So now all the sudden dating 18 year olds when your 30 is gross and borderline pedophilia. It is an unsavory thing but I see men defending it everyday here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 03:05 AM
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Suicide is a violent act against oneself and men are more violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 07:20 PM
2

How attractive are your girlfriends when you date down?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 04:12 PM
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This has been done to death. It's really simple: don't be average. No one can control that. It's like telling someone not to have an average IQ or height.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 04:55 PM
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You really don't have a clue about how sexual attraction works for most guys. When a pretty young woman falls in love/lust with a guy he wants to be with her 24/7. They do stupid stuff like walking through the local park hand-in-hand talking about all their plans/dreams for the future. Yes for sexual/romantic reasons. I never claimed to know how male sexual attraction works. All I am saying that if sex was taken off the table, 30+ men would not prefer to work on a project (or something else non …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 03:04 PM
1

So you find 15/16 year old boys more attractive than 18-22 year old men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 12:59 PM
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Lol so many men here say men desire sexual variety and then say men are not more likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 12:57 PM
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For sexual validation. Not someone to spend time with for non sexual reasons. Though maybe this is just men coping since they eventually age out of being able to attract women in their early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 12:13 PM
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Youth and beauty is a condition. "Being feminine" AKA the ornamental femininity forced onto women that men (especially PPD men) is a condition. All relationships are "opportunistic", not just romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 08:45 AM
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The way women look, sound, move, all which are bestowed on her by mother nature. It has to BE a woman. This is also something that fades within the blink of an eye. Which translates into something similar to what the OP is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 04:47 AM
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. It's also recently been studied that men have higher IQs and bigger brains False. The WAIS IV which includes 15 different subtests found no mean sex differences. The only test that as favored men was raven's progressive matrices which is a measure of spatial processing and not g. As for men's bigger brains, 77% of the difference is gotten rid of when we look at muscle to brain size ratios. The other bit is removed when we look at the fact women have more neuronal density.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 01:56 PM
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I agree with this. However as an asexual if I could choose, I would rather be valued for what men are valued for. I enjoyed dating women more than men for this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 11:20 AM
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deep-post-wall Lol this new term. Love it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 11:13 AM
2

Do you regret it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 10:10 AM
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Because they have a higher libido and it is harder for them to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 10:06 AM
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Too old to date someone under 18. I wouldn't find it disgusting/unsavory or immoral if you dated someone under 25 though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 05:02 AM
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I'm 19
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 04:07 AM
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If this was true there would be way more age gap relationships since that is what men desire. The average man is 3 years older than his wife with a plurality of couples being within 1 year of each other. Only about 4% of couples have a 10-15 year age gap. Men are clearly being held back by female choice. In societies were women are kept in a chokehold, there are much bigger age gaps between couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 04:00 AM
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Even though we grow through our lives, I was a very different person at 16 than I was at 18. When you are 16, you are barely old enough to do those things. It would be wrong for a 20+ year old man (and especially a 30+) to have sex with someone in that transitionary stage. 18 is still young but they have had 2 years to get used to more adult things. I've changed a lot in one year since then but I still think 18 is the best cutoff age. I'll still be disgusted at men for their ephebophilic tendenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 03:45 AM
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Well the idea is to find a woman by time you age out of reasonably dating down in age and getting a young one. That’s the real RP. Men remain most attracted to women in their early 20s are their lives, it's difficult to admit that the attraction isn't symmetrical. Just as it's difficult for women to admit their SMV goes down with age and it can't be mitigated. Reality is hard on all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 12:41 AM
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As for the age where a man can get laid with the hottest young women , I would say it's 28-30. I don't mean to sound like a broken record but it's harder to say that with men since male SMV is more complex. This is probably true in general but many men are obviously past their prime at those ages. Men who are extremely good looking also might have an easier time when they are college aged.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 01:43 PM
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HA!. He cut off the graph at 15yo females. I'm pleasantly surprised he peaked female SMV at 22 instead of suspiciously at 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 01:28 PM
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Male SMV is harder to graph. The graph shows that female SMV peaks in a woman's early 20s (something that has been studied to death) but then says male SMV peaks at 38. That depends who the man wants to date. If a man wants to date 18-19 barely legal teens his "wall" is at 22, if he wants to date 18-24 year olds his wall is at 30. However if he wants to date women his age or a little bit younger then he pretty much never hits a wall. I don't know why men consider being able to attract women they…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 01:14 PM
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Sex differences in narcissism are only of the largest sex differences and is very well documented. It is as big as the difference in 3d mental rotation ability in some studies. Also the majority of online daters are men. You have yet to prove that increases narcissism. It may be correlated to narcissistic traits but that doesn't mean it causes narcissistic traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 07:11 AM
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I came off as belligerent when I did not intend to. My apologies. It's fine you didn't come off as belligerent
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 07:05 AM
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Reddit attracts more introverted and mentally ill people and people are also more likely to share something anonymously. These combine to make it look like the whole world is depressed and traumatized. Also the anonymous and low stakes nature of reddit helps attract this demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 07:02 AM
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Men are pretty likely to have rape fantasies too. About 45% do. I wonder why that is. A lot of "female nature" talked about by RPers is found in men at similar rates. The cut has a source from the Journal of Sexual medicine before someone comes after me for using it. https://www.thecut.com/2014/11/common-and-uncommon-sex-fantasies-by-gender.html https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01542159
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 11:49 PM
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They don't pursue as often as men. I don't paint individuals with broad strokes but I notice statistical trends. Someone being 6'2" doesn't change that the average man is 5'10".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 11:42 PM
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The NPI measures sub clinical narcissism in the general population. It's relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 11:41 PM
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Yep. Both men and women are. Narcissism is defined by social potency.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 11:40 PM
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Men score higher on entitlement of the narcissistic personality inventory. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25546498/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 06:50 PM
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A spider pursues once the bug is trapped. Men pursue, isolate, and seduce. You seem to think this is inherently evil. Most women love being pursued by men they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 09:11 AM
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If women were just as horny as men, their standards would be just as low as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 08:28 AM
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Did I ever say it was bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 03:41 AM
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How often do you see men likening getting women to hunting and fishing? Male sexuality is pursuing someone and seducing (or raping like you see in every military takeover). Female sexuality can't be predatory since they don't have to pursue men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 02:47 AM
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Some of those reports are fake. Some women are too ashamed to admit it Some women don't mind it and just consider it "casual sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 02:43 AM
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No. I would feel too guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 01:53 AM
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I used to think Atlas was being too harsh when she described male sexuality as predatory, but being here and seeing how men talked made me realize she wasn't. I've seen men talk about targeting grieving women as a strategy. You even see this with men sleeping around while talking about how damaging casual sex is to women. There are multiple guys here (and they are not the only ones) who claim to sleep around while they identify as tradcons or post N count studies obsessively.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 01:47 AM
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Incels say femcels are fake because they are just rejecting ugly men. In reality, ugly men don't want to date ugly women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 11:08 AM
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Why aren't femcels accepted by incels then?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 11:05 AM
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People underestimate the pain of a longterm problem that slowly drains you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 03:07 AM
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Blackpill is basically redpill with an emphasis on the importance of looks and limited control men have over their SMV. it's almost blue-pilled to then block out truths that you don't want to hear. PPD men really do start sounding like bloopers saying "I know a short ugly guy who slays" whenever the importance of youth in male attractiveness is brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 03:04 AM
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Look at all those men when they were young, they absolutely peaked in their youth. I am discussing physical beauty, not how much man in the top of an industry gets paid. Also source that male leads get paid more if they are older, and prove it is because they are better looking and not established A listers. Look at Jon Kortajerena (used to be the most gorgeous guy ever) when he was in his 20s vs now. It's brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 12:22 AM
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Men remain most attracted to women in their teens and early 20s all their lives, it's difficult to admit that attraction isn't symmetrical.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 03:57 PM
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Your personal experience means little if we are trying to look for statistical trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 03:55 PM
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Women seem to see much younger men as kids even though they are objectively more attractive. This is what causes the misunderstanding between men and women about age and SMV/attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 03:37 PM
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They confuse beta bux with physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 03:36 PM
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I've never seen a guy that looked better at 28 than he did at 20 unless he had plastic surgery or lost weight. Everyone looks better with their youthful glow. To be fair, I find men who have masculine features with a hint of softness to them to be the most attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 03:10 PM
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I know a guy who gets high off of miratazpine. I would much rather be sober than try to escape reality on bendryl or mirazapine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 02:27 PM
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When judging raw physical beauty, men absolutely peak 18-24. Women in that age range also find men in the same age range the most attractive. From dataclasm, the founder of OKC https://imgur.com/a/Q1BKdHd The average man is 3-5 years older than his wife, people can make of that what they will. Just leaving this here for the delusional men who think 20 year olds are most physically attracted to aging men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 01:56 PM
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How did you turn asexual? Was it gradual?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 06:48 AM
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The average man is only 3 years older than his wife. Your personal experience means little if we are looking to find statistical trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 05:31 AM
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Male variability. There is a wealth of studies finding men to be more variability on pretty much any trait. I don't like the idea of polygamy but if is that or embracing some of the ideology talked about by incels, then I choose polygamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 05:19 AM
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So you expect 80% of men to voluntarily not fuck? Not 80%. As I have said before women are more reasonable about who they actually accept as a partner. Reading that statistic and thinking 80% of men never get sex is like reading men find 20 year olds most attractive and assuming no woman over that age will ever get commitment from a man. So you don't support socialism? I don't. Not because of bodily autonomy but because it's idealistic and ignores human nature. Theoretically socialists believe n…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 05:10 AM
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right! so slavery! The pyramids weren't built by slaves. Men won't be enslaved, they just won't be able to force a woman who isn't into them to fuck them. If they don't want to produce for society, they can either stop working and starve or become a hermit. Nothing overrides another human's bodily autonomy. LMAO. Nearly ALL rich countries are heavily feminized. How do you explain that confounding factor? China isn't as one example. I don't know what you mean by "feminized" but richer countries t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 01:15 AM
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In terms of raw physical beauty, men peak 18-26. You may be disappointed to know how much physical beauty correlates to SMV. Especially if a man wants to date young hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 01:03 AM
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In terms of SMV yes. Men say that women are most valuable when young and then cry when they cannot get young women. Since younger women are so valuable it makes sense how not all guys will have what it takes to get them. They need to accept their value is lower just like older women should accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 01:03 AM
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Calm down, the gap was never that big. It also proves we don't need all men to reproduce to have a society. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04375-6 However there is always been a gap between men and women in reproductive success. Whether it is 17 to 1 or some other number. All I am saying is that society won't collapse if we don't please the dicks of ugly men by offering them a female body. More women reproducing is nature working.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 12:44 AM
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What's the incentive for 80% of men to maintain your lifestyle? What's the incentive for them to defend your ass if the country gets invaded? Ancient Egypt took surplus grain from the impoverished farmers and used it to live lavish lives what stopped the farmers from reproducing. There has always been a reproductive gap between men and women, society has still run. We have had serfs and society still produced. Again, the optimal sex ratio is always 50%. You do not need the genes of the bottom ~8…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 12:44 AM
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No, the opposite. Note that your statement directly contradicts "patriarchy as sexual socialism" point that OP was making. https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success Humans settling down lead to even more reproductive inequality than usual at first. Huh? You did not address how a feminized society would protect itself from external threat or prevent economic collapse. I never said feminized society. I am only saying that all men don't have to reproduce. This has gone on all for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 06:08 PM
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LMAO... no. Just no That's not empirical data. Go back and read the study you cited. And who do you think built and maintains this machine? What do you think will happen when men "go on strike" (i.e. simply check out from society)? For that matter, who do you think will defend the country from external threat? Blue-haired feminists and their beta orbiters? The moment there is a war, feminism goes out the window. Same way most societies function. With winners and losers. More women than men have …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 05:21 PM
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Your "sexual capitalism" can only exist in the presence of economic socialism. You are correct that women do not find 80% of men attractive -- that has been proven by the famous okCupid study. However, those 80% of men built and maintain society. The 20% of men you actually want to fuck are not economically productive. So in your preferred world, you would have the vast majority of men as slaves while you are free to fuck chads. Men don't like being slaves. What is the incentive for the 80% of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 04:47 PM
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We still need young women to have babies because well, eggs. Fertility treatments And moreover, mens selection process is for a young chaste woman. These make GREAT MOTHERS. Definitely not outdated Source that the younger a woman is, the better mother she will be? Most data has shown the opposite. Also if male nature was truly let off the leash, men would have no qualms going for 14 year olds. I doubt they would be ideal mothers or it would be good for society. On the other hand, women select fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 04:29 PM
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Evolution wired most humans to think of it that way. Human societies center around sex and reproduction. Societies are either hyper sexual or obsessed with repression. I'm asexual and I've said being asexual is like seeing everyone dancing to music you can't hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 04:41 AM
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I can write a whole essay on how much I hate the men who want to roll back women's rights so the can get pussy. However sexlessness is not the same as not being able to go to space. 99.999% of people never go to space, it is not considered an important part of the human experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 03:57 AM
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most selection happens on our genome, hence why every single person alive has twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors. Also why male variability exists. I remember someone said "easier to survive, harder to thrive" about being a woman. I find it to be true for both biological and social reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 01:34 AM
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Women 18-24 prefer the same age range. From dataclasm, the founder of OKC https://imgur.com/a/Q1BKdHd
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 01:20 AM
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Women also have harder time dating as they age. How much of a harder time is definitely exaggerated on this sub but is not always as easy as when she is 20. It is pretty much undeniable that women have an advantage when young though. Men complaining about this clearly shows they value youth and know deep down they don't peak in their 30s and 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 01:17 AM
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Losing your virginity in college means you lost it in the middle of your "prime" years. It's later than average but I wouldn't say unusually late. There is a guy who lost his virginity at 20 here and is perfectly fine. I agree that once someone gets into their mid 20s they will feel like they did miss out on some critical period.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 12:56 AM
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Why do men here like to say women's selection process is outdated and needs to be regulated away and then say they want younger women because of evolution? The male attraction to youthful beauty is just as "outdated" as women's attraction to attractive strong men. Forcing people to settle won't inspire the genuine desire that people want their SO to have for them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 06:24 PM
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Men always try to deny that their attractiveness level matters. I honestly think they have evolved to do that so they don't get too pessimistic about their chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 06:19 PM
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The more attractive you are, the better. Men who are 6/7 definitely get girls to desire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 06:13 PM
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What are some of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 04:13 PM
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I hope the ban doesn't include this place.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 11:49 PM
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I believe the biggest incel site used to have a wiki on their ideology. It was basically redpill with an emphasis on looks and advocating for the "natural subjugation of women" so that ugly men can get pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 07:03 PM
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I'm so glad I'm not the only asexual here lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 03:26 PM
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If women get to string men along and gaslight us, why shouldn't we get to do the same to them? They made the rules. Women could say the same thing to justify stringing men along. Just admit it is selfish and scummy instead of trying to desperately rationalize it as justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 04:11 AM
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I wasn't there a lot but r/pinkpilldebate seemed more tame than this place and a lot of other gender subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 02:36 PM
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It’s feminist propaganda that says it’s beneficial and male behavior. Your studies literally compare successful men to psychopaths. It just said men receive a slight benefit if they have some psychopathic traits. No empirical research supports the idea that all successful men are clinical psychopaths. beneficial and male behavior. But it is beneficial for men and is more often found in men. Men who score low on agreeableness make more money, men with dark triad traits do better with women. Low a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 02:30 PM
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There are also many studies finding a correlation. The most powerful of which looked at g loading and symmetry correlations. For example the backwards digit span (repeating a series of words in the opposite order they were said to you) is about twice as g loaded as the forward digit span. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289604000777 Height also correlates to IQ as does salary which women also select for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 08:45 AM
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See, this. 100% this. Zero concept of what assertive is. Showing anger is not assertive. Being dominate isn’t assertive. Being an ass isn’t assertive. And plenty of places in our society women can be flat our rage filled and it’s ok, where if a man did the same people would run to him and kick him to the ground. Why is showing anger beneficial for a man but not for a woman as shown in studies? Why are men demonstrating some psychopathic traits rewarded? I have no need to nit pick definitions. Ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 05:15 AM
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Good luck. I probably wouldn't be visiting this sub if I weren't asexual tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 11:38 PM
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Did I ever say it was the majority? All I am saying is that assertive behavior and showing anger hurts a woman way more than it will hurt a men. The article I sent also said psychopathic traits are only slightly more beneficial to men. You are also ignoring the study finding showing anger to be beneficial in men. Psychopathy also goes deeper than being someone who screams at people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Definition
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 11:33 PM
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Even if promiscuity is detrimental, how would you see it on someone's face? So many people are depressed enough to kill themselves and no one sees it coming. So many people have had horrible stuff happen to them and no one knows. It seems like the male equivalent of telling terpers and incels that women can see their misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 03:01 AM
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It seems to me like a coping mechanism, these men want to avoid sluts so they come up with ways to tell as soon as they see the woman. It's like the male of equivalent of "women can see your misogyny."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:57 AM
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I made a typo. I was saying that many people have mental problems and kill themselves and no one suspects it. You can't always tell someone's past and mental state from their face. Being molested leads to way more mental problems. Can you tell if someone has been molested by their face?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:40 AM
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How many people have mental problems and no one knows this. The men in this thread pretending it's real are like women saying that they can see a misogynist/terper/rapist by his face. It's all coping.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 01:02 AM
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Add on: I never said CEOS were all assholes. I was saying that assertive behavior is read differently on a woman than on a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 12:56 AM
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Typical female response Did I hit a nerve? Everything you say is anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 12:40 AM
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I'm pretty sure most women know it, it's just no one wants their past to matter when it can be used against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 08:35 PM
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They also patronize majority female hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 08:34 PM
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Women are just judged more harshly for assertive behavior. https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/10/acting-like-a-psychopath-is-great-for-male-ceos-not-so-much-for-women/ https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151026172546.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 08:28 PM
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No but I tried online dating as a lesbian and did ok. Men outnumbering women is another factor in them having a hard time on OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 05:18 AM
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That is probably around where most men would freeze themselves if they were being honest with themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 03:30 AM
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How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 03:22 AM
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It's not inherently AF/BB. Everyone who is sane adjusts their standards in all areas of life. We're all settling right now. If I could pick my life, it would be a lot different.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:24 AM
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I believe the original theory is that a woman's options decrease when compared to her "prime".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:13 AM
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I read that as a typo lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:07 AM
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Why do men have an easier time saying height matters compared to face?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:06 AM
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People will jump into age gap relationships despite the divorce risk or marry a child of divorcees. They are both riskier but people still do it if the relationship makes them happy enough. Men are repulsed by high N women due to primal reasons, they just hamster it as divorce risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 11:04 PM
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Not even the law agrees. There are different charges depending how severe it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 03:42 PM
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The word abuse is thrown around a lot but I still believe in the concept of verbal/emotional abuse. Just check out r/bpdlovedones for some horror stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 08:13 AM
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Men hate women who just have sex for the pleasure it provides lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 08:04 AM
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It's more likely "relationship inertia" that has been talked about before. Men have a harder time getting into relationships and leaving them. I doubt it's caring about commitment since men out cheat women by a landslide as the couple ages. https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 07:12 AM
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Add on: Here is the abstract https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321199711_Gender_and_the_Stability_of_Same-Sex_and_Different-Sex_Relationships_Among_Young_Adults
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 05:58 AM
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Check the sources in psychology today, I decided to link the article instead of just pasting the abstract. I said dissolution in general, not divorce. I already acknowledged the divorce statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 05:54 AM
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No that's bisexual women. Also a lot of those statistics equated slapping someone or throwing objects from a distance with severely beating them up or choking them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 03:34 AM
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Gay male couples actually have a higher overall dissolution. Divorce isn't the only breakup. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/meet-catch-and-keep/201710/are-same-sex-or-heterosexual-relationships-more-stable
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 03:03 AM
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Thanks for this answer. It's the truth without all the petty misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 01:16 AM
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Men don't really care about their wall while women spend a ton on postponing the wall. Prepare for a bunch of men desperate to believe that 30+ year old men are the most attractive to college aged women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 07:52 PM
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I'm asexual and think so. Women can be attractive with either soft or chiseled features. Audrey Hepburns eyes would not be attractive on a man but they are attractive on her. This is seen in paying female models more and preferring to watch female dancers and figure skaters.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 07:50 PM
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Men admit to treating younger prettier women better. You see it irl too. It's just a fact that the more SMV you have, the better you will treated. A lot of men think they should be treated like Chad even though they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 09:01 PM
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Women can get away with certain features men can't though. Audrey Hepburns eyes would not be attractive on a guy. Women can have either soft or angular features and still be attractive Women's default bodies are also attractive, while men have to work to get a good physique. Look at Greek sculpture or how much more people prefer to watch female dancers and figure skaters.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 08:24 AM
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Those men oftentimes chose not to reproduce though. Also their children wouldn't have been nearly as bright as them due to regression to the mean. There was a study on children with an average IQ of 150 called the Terman Study. They found that the Terman's children had an average IQ of 130. This sounds good until you look at the rate of which these IQs appear in the general population. About 1 in 2000 people have an IQ of 150 or above compared to 1 in 50 people with an IQ of 130. This is because…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 08:16 AM
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The men here don't care about any things you said. PPD men don't care if a woman tried a sex act once with someone else and stopped because she found it uncomfortable. I used to think this was malicious and maybe it is but now I see as just part of men being hornier. To them sex as synonymous with love, affection, and validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 07:45 AM
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If it’s not real then it’s obviously a woman with an agenda. It's much more likely that it was someone who is familiar with the manosphere and wanted to see how the feminist leaning sub AITA would react.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 04:36 AM
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I'm pretty sure this is how most men outside of PPD think. I feel bad for the men who can't adjust their standards or who never got attention in their youth, even if they are a bit obnoxious here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 01:32 AM
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Just take a lot of the things terpers say Men will consider you over the hill by the time you're 25 Culture is the only thing stopping men from going after girls under 18 Coolidge effect, a mans chance of cheating increases as the couple ages. https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 11:42 PM
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An older man is attractive to women his age for this reason but PPD is full of men who say they want women in their 20s. If they want women in their 20s, they will be judge based on those standards. That info seems to be a bitter pill to swallow around here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 11:35 PM
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Is anyone attractive at 45?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 04:32 PM
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There are some instances of overrating guys and underrating girls but they don't rate models as 5s. Truerateme follows a normal distribution where the vast majority of people will be a 4-6. Normal raters will give someone a 7 for being young and not fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 04:29 PM
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It is exceedingly difficult for an older man to be a chad to a younger woman. From dataclasm, the founder of OKcupid https://imgur.com/a/Q1BKdHd Men should know that they need to take care of their appearance to keep their attractiveness. Telling men age doesn't matter if they want to attract young attractive women is the same as saying height or face doesn't matter. Add on: The idea that a man's body matters more than his face is male projection. Why does the term "butterface" exist? It indicat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 02:29 AM
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CPA?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 01:54 AM
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Women have even higher standards for casual sex. If men can't buy a young woman's time, he certainly can't get it with his body.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 01:52 AM
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As evidenced by mass rapes in every military takeover in history.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 11:36 PM
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Not to me. He looks like a haggard old man. Wishful thinking: From dataclasm, the founder of OKcupid https://imgur.com/a/Q1BKdHd Some tragic aging http://www.newnownext.com/male-supermodels-90s/08/2017/ Less dramatic examples is Jon Kortajarena and Brad Pitt in their 20s vs 30s. If older men look better, why can't they attract younger women. On average, don't give me an outlier when statistics clearly show older men are being forced to settle for a woman around their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 11:18 PM
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Men peak 18-26, not in high school. For women it's more 16-25 That's a cherry picked pic of George Clooney. He was never a super attractive. but still looked better when was young. https://twitter.com/chelsyalthea/status/732060027129892865 The only reason why a man would be less attractive older is because he lost his hair and let himself go. It is extremely rare that women can exceed their looks in old age (nevermind keeping it the same) Look at male models then and now. They simply lost their …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 10:53 PM
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PPD "bluepillers" are oftentimes red but just reject male moral superiority, wishful thinking, and black and white thinking. Bluepillers outside of here usually reject the idea that men and women have different sexual imperatives. To some of them, even biological sex isn't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 10:11 PM
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Why is the average man only 3 years older than his wife? Men clearly prefer younger women so why isn't this a reality for them? PPD men say women find most men ugly and then try to claim that women prefer wrinkly old men lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 09:28 PM
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They can't, it's their nature. Heterosexuality is a comedic tragedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 08:56 PM
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Women consistently rate men around their age the most attractive. Exceptions prove the rule. Plus I'm sure if the guy can look 20 again, he would inspire even more lust. The average man is only 3 years older than his wife, he cannot even betabux a young woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 08:52 PM
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A man should always try to age like wine, Wine is good because of it's age, a man can only be attractive inspite of his age not because of it. What you're doing is basically encouraging men to betabux. Men should work on being attractive in their 20s if their goal is be sexually attractive to women in their 20s. I'm asexual so I don't know exactly how straight men think but they seem to really want to inspire sexual lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 08:33 PM
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I was just pointing out how both hypothesis were equally valid with the info available but he was only coming after me for citations.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 02:47 AM
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There have also been studies that narcissists are more popular and emerged more frequently as leaders. On top of this, men rated female narcissists are more attractive when meeting them. Narcissism and Psychopathy are disorders defined by social potency.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 02:46 AM
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Citation needed. Did the OP prove that neuroticism leads not taking responsibility? Read on article on narcissism and you will see how it can lead to not taking responsibility. As for externalizing/internalizing https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2011/08/mental-illness
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 02:33 AM
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Grandiose narcissism is measured on the Narcissistic Personality Inventory. Men consistently score higher on it but both sexes score about the same on vulnerable narcissism. The thing about is someone can be highly neurotic and blame themselves for everything, depending on what subsets of neuroticism they score high on. All we know is that women experience more negative emotions. There was a study (I wish I had saved it) that said people were less likely to criticize a woman to her face at work.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 02:24 AM
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Men score higher narcissism. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150304104040.htm This is much more likely to lead to not taking responsibility than neuroticism. In fact some research has shown men are more likely to externalize (blame others) than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 01:51 AM
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Can anyone go rejection after rejection after rejection and stay confident? That's definitely going to damage anyone's self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 01:26 AM
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I already addressed this. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/hcbupz/for_guys_who_complain_about_women_not_emphasizing/fve8jkr/?context=3 The game is completely and utterly rigged. The game isn't rigged, younger women just have way more smv than men and act like it. Men always say how valuable women are 18-25 and how worthless they are after that but then get upset when women act like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 01:15 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelsWithoutHate/comments/h8ntg8/lifefuel_just_stay_in_your_league/ There were definitely some fake incels in that thread. Not the majority but there are definitely men who are upset that this is the best they could realistically get. How many incels would take a 40+ year old woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 12:48 AM
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Incel men have trouble empathizing with unattractive women because at least they can get sex. They don't understand (or care) that being pumped and dumped would feel worse for a woman than getting nothing. Tbh I'm pretty sure a lot of incels (but not all) would be able to get sex if they didn't focus on young women who are at least a 5/10 but that's a conversation for another day. A lot of men, especially outside of PPD do empathize with women though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 12:27 AM
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You said that men hate female sexuality, if they did they would feel repulsed by anyone who has experienced too many female bodies. Edit: Responded to wrong person
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 11:02 PM
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Sluts are women who have experienced too much of the male body, thus they inspire repulsion. Same with promiscuous gay men. Women disliking bisexual men is also a hatred of the male body and sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 10:52 PM
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Men are hate their own sexuality. Men on PPD even say we should shame women more if they experience too much of the male body. Why are people so repulse by women and men who sleep with tons of men but not the reverse? Men who sleep around are just as likely as women to cheat and it is a genetic sociosexuality, not caused by experiencing sex. They say it's because of paternity certainty but at least half of their derogatory marks are about blowjobs. Not to mention men have historically (and curre…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 10:31 PM
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One of them had CCTV camera's and would not open the door if male relatives visited. That woman is either a troll or someone with deep issues. It's natural to have an anger phase or even permanently resent the opposite gender on some level after learning "their nature" but that's beyond normal to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 10:20 PM
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Was there conclusion female separatism?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 04:07 PM
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Even if I think the people at debatealtright have completely fucked whacky views, I still like to drop in and read it. Glad I'm not alone there lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 04:06 PM
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She's probably telling the truth, last week she was talking about how a lot of the boys she likes tell her that they might be trans.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 08:16 PM
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This also sounds like someone who will be really successful and enjoy life more.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 07:09 PM
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Are you male? Attractive women are oftentimes cold to men to stop them from making a move.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 03:33 PM
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What would you classify them as?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 12:44 PM
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Most women don't understand men. They don't know that men are almost entirely incapable of not feeling attracted to a normal/decent looking woman. Female friendships are also different than male friendships, a lot of what appears to be romantic to the guy is normal platonic affection for the woman. Sure there are some women who manipulate men this way but most of them are just naive. In my experience, the only time a man can be friends with a woman is if the woman is a lesbian. Even if he still …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 08:17 AM
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Why do you think these girls attract more vitriol from men than porn stars?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 08:05 AM
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I'm only addressing whether being perceived as female is an advantage, not the gap in Nobel prizes. The studies I picked out for you clearly show that being perceived as male is an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:16 AM
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What does this have to do with people rating the same work better when said to be made by a man? I was just addressing your claim that women have an advantage over men when they are both equally qualified.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 05:57 AM
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Here's 2: Approval rate for female coders goes down significantly if they reveal their gender. https://techxplore.com/news/2016-02-women-coders-gender-link.html?utm_source=TrendMD&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=TechXplore.com_TrendMD_1&origin=683964d5adb6d15e393d9e8ce9c1dc2d In a set of studies looking at perceptions of innovation, novel products like architectural drawings, TED talks, and business strategies all were evaluated as more creative when study participants thought they were evaluating t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 05:37 AM
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There is also tons of studies contradicting that. I was going to organize this more later. Before anyone comes after me for psychology today, the source of the studies is in the articles. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/powers-be/201908/why-do-we-treat-womens-creativity-differently https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-hidden-mind/201903/addressing-stems-gender-imbalance https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/good-thinking/201403/are-women-smart-enough-be-engineers https://w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 04:48 AM
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"Slight small of it's kind or in amount" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slight A slight odor of gas is not inconsiderable. When I say "slight", I am talking about the makeup can realistically be applied daily and stay on throughout the day. difference was inconsiderable the makeup industry wouldn't be worth hundreds of billions, women wouldn't spend countless hours applying makeup, and youtube channels focusing on makeup wouldn't have hundreds of millions of subs. Anti wrinkle creams…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 04:43 AM
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Are there red pill strategies to re-attract an ex/any girl you specifically want? It seems like most red pill advocates say just hook up and leave and never set your sights on any girl to lock down, but I don't want to follow that strategy. Don't get caught up on one specific girl. You don't have to have casual sex forever but remember that there are tons of women that you could date.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 10:59 PM
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Most women look like a slightly better version of themselves with makeup. Those crazy transformations you see are a combination of tons of extremely well applied makeup, angles, lighting, with a dash of photo editing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 10:37 PM
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They only notice poorly applied or very heavy makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 10:33 PM
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How is dating like when you're face blind? Besides that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:13 PM
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I'm pretty sure everyone besides older men wanting to date girls in college acknowledge that those relationships aren't based in mutual physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 06:18 PM
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I'm pretty sure this is why psychopathic men get laid more. It's a lot easier to get what you want if you're willing to do anything to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 02:28 AM
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Morality is just a human construct but it's fair to say looking for mentally ill and grieving women is predatory. I guess Atlas was right when she said that about male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 02:11 AM
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I love how men talk about avoiding high N women due to divorce risk while ignoring that age gap relationships also increase divorce risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 01:14 AM
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Just date who is most beneficial, obviously in your case it's older men who treat you better than men your age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 01:11 AM
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It's a pretty shitty existence if you think about it. We long for meaning and justice in a world with none of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 03:58 PM
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independent women going on onlyfans on their own :D And so many men hate those women with a vitriol they don't have for porn stars...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 11:21 AM
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The intermediate period is culturally defined mostly since 20th century in the West. No lol. What you're noting is the extended adolescence. Men would oftentimes have sex with adolescent boys in places like Ancient Greece and modern day Afghanistan. They did this because they knew the boys were not yet adults but also weren't children. Adult as a biological concept means women from 16, ie able to reproduce. Adult from a legal point of view means never for most women throughout history. Again, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 11:20 AM
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Like I said, all cultures have the time period between childhood and adulthood. I just use "teenager" since we are speaking English right now. Does "Men are most attracted to women who aren't yet adults" satisfy you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 10:37 AM
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It also increases the chances of the baby surviving. Also fertility is defined as the ability to produce offspring, idk where you got your definition. Peak fertility is before 25 in any cases. But a woman's eggs peak in quality in her early 20s and stay there till her early 30s. A 16 year old doesn't have the same egg quality nor are their pelvis's developed enough to give birth. Peak fertility is in the 20s and doesn't end when a woman turns 25. This is just the male hamster trying to rationali…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 10:04 AM
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Men themselves say women in their 20s are the most valuable. Doesn't it make sense that some men just aren't high value enough to get them? They should accept it just like older women have to accept their value is lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 08:59 AM
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Some of us are capable of knowing the truth while keeping bitterness at bay, but it’s a struggle. Love comes easier when you can project an ideal personality and intentions onto the other person and assume they think the way you do and don’t have selfish drives of their own. Love your posts here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 08:49 AM
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The exact word for teenager doesn't exist but almost all languages have a word for the stage in life between childhood and adulthood. At the very least it exists as a concept. And you said it yourself, men are more attracted to girls who aren't yet adults than even young adult women. It may not be pedophilia like the woman above said but she was just trying to describe something she finds disgusting. Man are attracted to women at peak fertility, and that is 18-20 years old. A woman's pelvis beco…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 06:43 PM
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Why though?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 06:16 PM
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It depends on how you define "a lot" but I've definitely gotten attention from attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 03:51 PM
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I'm asexual and I'm neither ugly or uptight. Most asexuals aren't either. Some people are much more sexually driven and others aren't at all. Same goes for romantic companionship needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 02:51 PM
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Women are more fat due to having naturally body fat and slower metabolisms. Men put on muscle and burn fat way quicker even if they work out the same. Women are far more likely to have eating disorders, far more likely to imagine being dead. What does this have to with anything? I already admitted some mental disorders were more common in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 08:35 AM
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No it's been linked to testosterone. http://aging.nautil.us/feature/189/why-men-dont-live-as-long-as-women https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20151001-why-women-live-longer-than-men Disorders you say? How many men walking around with colored hair and what proportion of men are fat in comparison to women? lol what's wrong with colored hair? You not liking it doesn't mean it's a mental illness. It's a fact that men are more likely to have impulsive control disorders like internment explosive disor…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 08:22 AM
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Men are more likely to have impulse control disorders and die earlier. There are statistical advantages for both men and women. All that matters is how you are individually
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 06:34 AM
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What happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 05:20 AM
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"Naturally red pilled" seems to be a synonym for socially smart here. I knew so many red pill talking points by the time I was 15. I'm asexual and just picked it up by watching people, my peers talking, and how people interacted with me. People complain about being "lied too" but they are to blame for not being socially aware enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 03:10 AM
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It's just a of male sexuality women find disgusting. Women are disgusted by gay male age gaps too and non straight women are also put off by the eternal male attraction to college aged women and teens. It's just a part of male sexuality women don't understand and are put off by. I don't get why men here are desperate to put some cynical spin on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 04:06 PM
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Why do you have to tell the woman you're with that you saw an escort?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 09:44 PM
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I want to experience life. I find a lot of joy in meeting new people and experiencing new things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 05:47 PM
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Before modern technology and conveniences, women were weak. They needed men for protection and providership so the balance of power was on men. Men don't like investing in sluts, they take commitments seriously and they want to mate guard their wives. Thus the Patriarchy ™ was born. They didn't just forbid women from cheating on their husbands, many societies forbade women from doing anything so they would be forced to marry and pop out kids. This is obviously a sexual strategy. Like I said befo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 05:43 PM
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Most true crime readers and watchers are women in general are women. Here is someone trying to explain why: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahwatts/2019/02/28/what-one-researcher-discovered-about-americas-true-crime-obsession/#38d296a75e6e As for me, I'm fascinated by crimes, disasters, and wars/famous battles just because of morbid curiosity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 05:37 AM
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It doesn't matter how many cheated (and it was a lot), it shows that it was socially acceptable for the high value men of that time to cheat. Even in the past sex and romance was only for high value men. They viewed wives as for children and mistresses for love. Where did the idea of the female orgasm being a myth come from? Wealthy women also took lovers frequently. Yeah but it was frowned upon by society and had to be hidden. Women who were wives of the upperclass men could be KILLED if they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 02:10 AM
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You are greatly overstating the amount of male cheating in the past, and greatly understating the amount of female cheating. It was socially acceptable for any man who could afford it to take on a mistress. There were even titles of "Official Mistress" in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 11:02 PM
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Doesn't everyone act differently when they are young? It makes since that people would date differently young too. How often do we see men on here saying how sluts are only good for sex and that they want to commit to a low n woman? Low value men are just upset that they can't participate. I don't even blame them since no one likes being shortchanged. As a side note I find it funny how much men complain about women settling and seeing past men as more attractive and then they go on to say they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 02:37 AM
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When you hear men say that a girl in her 20s will always be higher value I wish this wasn't true but I'm pretty sure it is. It falls in line with what I've seen irl and with all the studies I've seen. As with how it makes me feel, it makes me glad I'm not attracted to men. However I don't judge any of the other stuff that men say here because a lot of it is way beyond normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 03:09 AM
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To me it is like asking "if you could live without side effects without eating/sleeping, would you do it"? It would be much more analogous to compare asexuality to not being able feel pleasure from eating or sleeping. A lot less people want that. Personally I would like it if everyone is asexual since it would filter out so much nonsense but I'm not sure how many people would actually want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 02:53 AM
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I wish everyone was asexual like me tbh lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 02:47 AM
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People here act like 25 year olds look different than college aged women because it's a round number and considered the beginning of true adulthood. To be fair, 25-35 is when people who have bad genes and/or take poor care of themselves can really start to look bad. I still get sad thinking I’m running out of “good” years. There was a survey of 100 year olds and most of them said they enjoyed their 30s the most. Maybe people look best in their 20s but that's not the only thing that makes life go…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 07:35 AM
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Men who are around their age. This is from dataclasm, the founder of OKC- https://imgur.com/a/42vWEif This can also be proven if you look at the average age difference between couples. The husband is only 3-5 years older than his wife. If men prefer women in their early 20s, why isn't this a reality for them? From a purely aesthetic perspective, men look best 20-25. It doesn't really matter what I think looks best since I'm asexual though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 04:51 AM
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Yeah this is what I've noticed irl too. I was surprised to see PPD men saying that bisexuality grosses them out and is "abnormal". Then again, this sub doesn't represent the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 08:06 PM
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Pretty much everything in life is transactional and conditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:29 AM
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Look at the consequences of not graduating high school. People still drop out. How do you purpose we punish women for being single moms?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:28 AM
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Nothing for me. It can just be annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 07:56 PM
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All we have to do is to create the right incentve structure. How does this work today? A lot of people are just too stupid, or bogged down with other issues to respond to incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 08:07 PM
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Fear of men went from like 6-1000000000 I don't want to say I resent men as a whole because they are all individuals. But I will just say how seeing some men talk about wanting to ban abortion to punish women or wanting to regulate women to give incels sex change my view of them forever. This isn't even stuff I've seen on purplepilldebate. I have seen men I know personally say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 10:40 PM
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What is the personality of a sugar glider like?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 02:30 AM
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without all the weird hatred. From women or men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 02:27 AM
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You're being attacked here because people resent those who have more than them. Particularly on important traits like attractiveness or intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 02:26 AM
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Exactly contraception and abortion didn't exist and yet people were still stupid. And they will still be today.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 02:19 AM
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Hairloss is what kills male looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 12:49 PM
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Do you really think that the men who complain about missing out on "teen love" are not doing it because of missed developmental milestones? Or the ones who try to convince themselves that college aged men prefer 30+ men?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 03:45 AM
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Did I ever say marriage made things better? Though it is worth nothing that men are more likely to remarry after divorce. However that's a totally different debate. I just said men are happy enough married. Chill out. If the only reason men get married is for the reasons you stated, then I feel sorry for them. It must suck to be living with someone you don't want to be with while you dream about someone (20 year olds) who doesn't want you. It's also pretty funny that men bitch and moan about bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 03:41 AM
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This isn't surprising. I think you're pretty normal for men. I was saying that missing out on dating in high school and college could cause someone to only be attracted to that age cohort and even resent the idea of dating someone outside that range.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 10:29 PM
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The average woman is married by her late 20s, they means she probably met the guy in her mid 20s. Are you claiming the men happier with same age wives are being "tricked"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 09:43 PM
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Yeah that's what I said, attraction to youth is male nature. However the average man is only about 3-5 years older than his wife. Men who go through normal developmental milestones are often times happy with their wives of similar age. You mention Leonardo DiCaprio but I could mention a slew of celebrity men who have settled down.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 09:27 PM
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If someone asked what sex is smarter, would it be correct to say women? Also from what I've seen all men here have proven is the young woman advantage in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 08:56 PM
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Many men here are stunted due to not being desired when young. It seems to exacerbate the male tendency to prefer youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 08:50 PM
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All of this is very incorrect. They did something similar for thousands of years and there was still single mothers. In fact, people used to throw their children on the streets and burry them in the sand due to this mentality. More civilized places had homes for unwed mothers but they were rife with abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 08:48 PM
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However, “the wall” for women is real. There is one major difference between men and women. This has been studied to death. As women get older, their preferences for men their age gets older as well. As men get older, their preference for physical attraction will stay the same (a woman in her 20’s). There’s a real biological reason behind this driven by evolution. Women in that age group are hands down the most likely to reproduce and have healthy offspring. Doesn't younger women preferring men …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 01:35 AM
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I know. As long as the message is sent and the number of single mothers is reduced, I think it is acceptable as collateral damage. Also, nothing I said is contrary to improving the foster care system and orphanages. The foster system and orphanages are a mess and will cost us more than single mothers do. Not to mention that nothing can replace a parent. 2 parents is better than 1 but it's better to have 1 parent than to have no parents. This would drain society as these even more maladjusted kid…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 01:24 AM
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If you compare the IQs of average men and women, women often score higher. I don't say women are smarter due to there being more men at the both ends up the bellcurve and hence more male geniuses. Looking at average people isn't always the full picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 06:48 PM
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Because I want the consequences of being a single mother to be so fucking horrible to the point that no woman with two brain cells that work together is stupid enough to fuck a man without being absolutely sure that the guy will stay with her after she is pregnant. I want the consequences of being a single mother to be so fucking horrible that a woman has a really fucking good incentive to do something to keep the father interested in staying with her and helping with their spawn. This will lead…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 03:32 PM
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Women's hostility towards male sexuality. Men are hostile towards their own sexuality. Why are people so repulse by women and men who sleep with tons of men but not the reverse? Men who sleep around as just as likely as women to cheat and it is a genetic sociosexuality, not caused by experiencing sex. As for male invasions of female spaces: There has been an explosion of people saying that lesbian sex can involve penises and injecting themselves into lesbian spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 07:15 PM
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Yeah but the only place I see people saying that is PPD. There are definitely many reasonable people here but there are enough edgy blackpillers (and pinkpillers) that the average person with a healthy life would be shocked if they came here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 06:54 PM
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purplepilldebate. I like to distinguish what people from here say to what people irl say.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 05:38 PM
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I agree that it's heavily exaggerated. I'm just pointing out how nonsensical it is that PPD men say we have it better and then say we are worthless once we are out of college.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 05:36 PM
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I'm not saying that men are "creatures with a propensity to violence and lack of empathy" like the OP but to say that men and women are equally violent is flat out wrong. For example women are more likely to slap their partner, men are more likely to choke them. One of these is significantly more violent and aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:55 PM
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Most people marry within their socioeconomic class. They may marry a man who makes slightly more but that's not jumping socioeconomic classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:41 PM
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That's only when they are young, pretty, and lucky. I could just as easily say men have it better if you look at the top men. One advantage they have is getting to remain relatively attractive with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:23 PM
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It's a combination of women being able to marry up and poorer people being more likely to smoke and have worse nutrition. I think this is why rich people everywhere tend to be more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 02:39 PM
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They will never understand what hard work is outside of their perspective, which isn't hard at all They would have to be born at least middle class, be physically healthy and mentally healthy. If someone is all of those things, it truly is a better life than most people who have ever lived.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 02:03 PM
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Women have an easier time dating when young. But let's not forget how PPD men like to say how worthless we are by 25-30 though. As far as life in general goes, not really. Most men are at the bottom due to male variability and not misandry. Someone's attractiveness, wealth, mental and physical health, and intelligence will affect their life much more than their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 01:58 PM
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Yeah but didn't you have a normal male libido for most of your life? If the average woman suddenly got the average male libido, she would find it jarring.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 01:44 AM
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Do you think your friend should do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 08:08 PM
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I think it is due to high blood pressure. Men are more prone to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 08:05 PM
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Would women (even with propaganda) want to take a drug that does that. It seems like a drug that would permanently impede someone's judgement. Anyway I don't think this would be ethical. It would be more ethical to have a pill that turns someone asexual (not just zaps their libido like SSRIs).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 08:03 PM
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I don't think a lot these sexually frustrated men actually even want to regulate women necessarily. It's not uncommon to see men in incel forums and subreddits wishing this. I agree that the majority of sexless men are just lonely and sad and have my sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 02:03 PM
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I would say the benefits of being born intelligent are more comparable to the benefits of being born attractive. Both of those are advantages inherent to you while money is just something your parents possessed. A lot of the incel desire to regulate women and go back to more traditional times sounds like someone whining that genetic IQ matters more than ever now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 06:05 PM
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Yeah I used to never remember my dreams and I've even reached some scary altered mind states in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:40 PM
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A lot of libfem beliefs are against the idea that anyone has a nature at all. They are especially against the idea of male and female nature. This forum is about the mechanics of dating which involves debating male and female nature. Their philosophical beliefs would be heavily outnumbered here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 01:24 PM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 06:19 AM
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It makes sense how libfems aren't drawn to this place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 06:18 AM
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But there's abortion, contraception, and adoption. It just seems crazy that a significant percent of women would allow this to happen to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:09 AM
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How does someone even become a single mother today?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:04 AM
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r/gendercritical is a feminist subreddit. It's a fairly big reddit sub but not as mainstream in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:14 AM
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He just has a restricted sociosexuality. It's primarily genetic and not due to seeing the world as a disney movie. People with a restricted sociosexuality tend to live longer and aren't as likely to end up in prison or addicted to drugs. At least in some studies, so they don't lose out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 12:29 AM
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What does this have to do with people not being as repulsed by women who sleep with tons of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 12:21 AM
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Most of those "models" are regular good looking guys and some of them even have an average face at best. I don't think that list proves a whole lot other than their specific look compliments what they model for the best. Lmao The picture of the man that was in the OP is going to be the most attractive man in a room of other good looking guys and that is clear as day. Women can say that they prefer softer faces but women also say that they prefer the alcoholic dad bod. Soft face is not the same a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 10:47 PM
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It does matter. We should stress the genetic origins because if you don't it make sex seem damaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 09:28 PM
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Maybe because his facial structure is incredibly rare? Rare doesn't equal good. I have never seen a model with that extreme of a jaw. Just look at all the top paid male models. https://www.alux.com/highest-paid-male-models/ That's what a beautiful man looks like. Also the guy you shared has a much more harmonious face.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 10:32 PM
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Lol just look at the jawline of top male models (or any man considered extremely attractive), none of them have a jawline like this. You really suck at telling what is attractive. This is clearly throwing off is facial harmony.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 10:06 PM
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This jawline is so extreme it actually makes him less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 09:24 PM
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Revenge fantasy. Women love men that fuck other women. They would find it attractive that he got laid a few days ago. (If she found out rather than him overtly telling her) No they don't. It's just a combination of men who are able to sleep around being naturally attractive and women not being repulsed by female sexuality like men are to male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 08:35 PM
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. The world would be different if Europeans stayed in Europe because no one wanted to conquer the whole damned planet like they do, But history shows that someone else would have taken over. Most likely an Asian power since they were the more advanced. Find me one piece of evidence that all the stuff I mentioned before is made up. Your mental gymnastics are pathetic. All you can do is insult me because you can't come up with any better response.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 06:31 AM
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They're not fantasies stories. Maybe you can't stand that the world was equally bloody before European conquests. Or you just have no knowledge of history. I don't mean to sound like "they did it too" because we are living in the west so we have to address the consequences of what the west has done historically. I was only addressing you implying that the world would be different without Europeans somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 06:17 AM
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My point is human nature is the same and there would still be prejudice, racism, and atrocities. Like there was for all of history both by European and non European peoples.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 06:08 AM
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I was just using China as an example of racism being everywhere. If you want to debate about displacing native peoples I can do that. Asians spread out from the North and displaced the natives of Central Asia and Southeast Asia. African Bantus started out in West Africa and have nearly driven the Pygmy and Khoisan peoples to extinction. Africans also sold other Africans into slavery that they conquered. Europe was only able to invade 4 continents due to having better technology. China's less lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 06:06 AM
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If whites disappeared tomorrow, the world wouldn't really change much. Look at racism in China to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 05:51 AM
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Women are much more likely to be prosocial when there is no benefit. They are also more likely to volunteer and give money to charity. Men score higher in all subclinical dark triad traits and are much more likely to meet the clinical level. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335908904_Gender_differences_across_multiple_types_of_prosocial_behavior_in_adolescence_A_meta-analysis_of_the_Prosocial_Tendency_Measure-Revised_PTM-R https://www.volunteerhub.com/blog/who-volunteers/ https://www.mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 05:48 AM
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Well, someone who is exploiting a man's sex drive for money can go to hell as far as I'm concerned, They aren't forcing men to buy. Men decide themselves to pay for it for whatever reason. Blame those thirsty men who created the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 04:41 AM
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Women are less intelligent. The average intelligence for women is 10 points lower than it is for men. Women actually have a higher mean on both the WAIS and Stanford Binet. The only test that has found a difference was just measuring 1 nonverbal ability (compared to using about 15 verbal and nonverbal abilities in a standard IQ test) and used a totally different definition of the g factor. Even then it was much smaller than 10 points. Although women settle for less attractive guys, they don’t re…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:18 AM
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Men in the top quartile of sexuality sociosexuality cheated just as much as women in the top quartile. At least according to the study I think you are talking about. The genetic sociosexuality is causing cheating and high N count. Therefore women and men have the same propensity to cheat if they have a high N count.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 01:05 AM
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I'm not BP but since I believe women shouldn't be restricted I will answer. Where is the first image you shared from, it looks like daily mail. I don't see how woman created this, it has also been increased by things men disproportionately vote for. Blaming something extreme complex on women's suffrage is nonsensical. https://www.investopedia.com/updates/usa-national-debt/ The countries with less children are all doing better than those with more. Feminism doesn't cause lower birthrates, develop…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 10:59 AM
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I think she's trying to say that men decide sluts are bad first (due to evolutionary reasons) and then look for reasons to justify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 10:39 AM
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The worst I've ever said about daughters is that I would never want one. And why is that? If you elaborated chances are you would sound like this women. Though maybe a more filtered version.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 02:46 AM
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Spending a lot of time here has taught me that many men are pro-life just to punish women for "being slutty".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:21 PM
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Only if your face is hot. They would prefer a skinny guy with a beautiful face compared to a buff plain guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 01:34 AM
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. Being very in shape puts you, at the least, in the top 20%. Women don't care about body nearly as much as men do. If a man doesn't have the facial structure, his only way to improve is plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 10:08 PM
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I don't feel attraction but I can judge beauty. Muscle does add to an already attractive guy. A moderately muscled handsome man looks better than a skinny handsome man. However muscle is not nearly as important as some guys think. Men put significantly more weight into a woman's body and they project that onto women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 11:54 AM
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If Carole didn't feed him to the Tigers, then where is the body? Where is the gravesite? What is his official cause of death? It seems too shady not to be true. And you can see it in her body language. How would she have gotten rid of the plane? It is much more likely that it crashed over the ocean. Private plane crashes happen all the time. Or maybe something happened to him in Costa Rica. OJ's blood was at the scene, the only thing incriminating Baskin according to you is her body language.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 10:28 AM
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You can TELL onlyfans girls, sugar babies or even cam girls they are de-humanized, but if they disagree with you, are they just "wrong" because they don't know better? That's what feminism tells us. Are they right? Men are the ones who see it as dehumanizing and defiling. It is not uncommon to see them fantasizing about harm coming to these women or using very derogatory language.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:00 AM
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Just compare it to what you see outside of here. Most people here are at least a little purple. I didn't realize how red I had become until I was rolling my eyes at people praising a guy for randomly breaking down and crying in his girlfriend's arms. Most people here will at least acknowledge women's attraction to strength even if they don't call it "dark triad". Most people here acknowledge the importance of face and height.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:00 AM
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Almost no one here is blue by normal standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 08:26 AM
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This is just part of dealing with men, might as well go for the hot ones. Men also bitch and moan when women put off sex to try and avoid this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 12:37 AM
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I mentioned some of the stuff they said, women don't say those things at the same rate. If feminists did say that and it was linked to real world violence, I would feel the same. Also they are not my side. Being disgusted that someone masturbates to a corpse and watches gore of women on purpose doesn't make someone a radfem. For every 100 posts on incel forums like that you will find 1 on gendercritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 11:37 PM
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I don't see how saying that you look at gore of women is a joke. Or praising a rapist mod is a joke. Is masturbating to a corpse a joke to you? You deserved exile and ridicule if that is how you're going to behave. You act like women are making jokes about raping and enslaving men left and right. Like I said for every woman that "jokes" about something similar, there are 100 men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 05:38 AM
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inflicting a rape-like experience onto her. You seem to be unique in thinking that, at least here. I was down voted for saying prostitutes do their jobs because they really need the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 03:38 AM
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I don't see how this is any different than a prostitute. Many incels don't want prostitutes so why would they want this?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 02:39 AM
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Men constantly tell us how their sexual attention means nothing and then they can't understand why women don't feel validated/emotionally satisfied by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 02:16 AM
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Being being beautiful isn't as good as being ugly is bad. Ugly people will say that looks>everything else because for them that is the main thing holding them back. If someone lacked money they would assume that money is more important than anything else. Lacking something is always more bad than having something is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 01:59 AM
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The author of the post you linked begins it with a definition of solipsism that is the same as that which I linked from Wikipedia. And then he expands it to mean something totally different. As I said previously, being bemused by the self is not the same as not recognizing the existence of others at a fundamental level. There is a significant difference. No one sane literally believes that no one else exists. Is this what you are arguing RP says about women? Psychopathy =/= sociopathy Yeah psych…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 03:30 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/f0uce0/eternal_solipsism_of_the_female_mind/ It's often used for women not understanding how men see the world, particularly romantically and sexually. The wikipedia link is a philosophical concept completely unrelated to RP. "Rather, it is the state of viewing all others as merely objects whose existence can only be conceived of in reference to a measure of utility to the self." Narcissists and psychopaths are like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 02:01 PM
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Thanks for the correction. We all know you nitpicked that because you can't refute my point though... Also wikipedia is not PPD. It is used totally differently here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 01:42 PM
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And they have the audacity to be offended that we're afraid of them. I remember I saw an interview with one of their admins who basically defended what is said on their forum as shitposting and free speech. Incels play dumb because they know they can't defend praising rape and other forms of violence on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 08:18 AM
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Do you remember that girl Bianca Devins who had her head cut off? A man on an incel forum sent a picture of himself masturbating to her corpse to Bianca's mom. He was praised on the forum. Not to mention the outright praise of rape that we see. For 1 woman talking like that, there are 100 men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 07:58 AM
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I think it's because we know that deep down women are not a threat to men. If all women embraced radical feminism tomorrow, we wouldn't be able to do shit to men. The story is different if all men embraced some of the ideology in incel cesspits. Also those women don't praise and wish death and violence on men nearly as much as the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 07:51 AM
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All psychometric measures have found women scoring lower in dark triad trait. This doesn't mean much for average men and women but it shows on the tails. 1 in 100 men are clinical psychopaths compared to only 1 in 300 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 07:44 AM
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I can see how redpillers got hypergamy and attraction to dark triad traits, but I don't even know how they came to the conclusion that men are the more empathetic and generous gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 03:30 AM
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it is the state of viewing all others as merely objects whose existence can only be conceived of in reference to a measure of utility to the self. That's not the definition I see thrown around and there is an abundance of studies showing men are more likely to do just that. Men score higher in the exploitativeness facet in the Narcissistic personality inventory. They also score higher than women in the mach iv (measure of machiavellanism). They are also less likely to volunteer and donate to cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 03:19 AM
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The difference is 6'1" men can be found everywhere and virgins are more likely to be very religious. Unless you are part of their culture, it will be easier to get a 6'1" man than a virgin. Also I believe about 1 in 6 American men are 6'1" not 1 in 20. 1 in 20 American brides are virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 11:54 PM
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What does that have to do with thinking your experiences are the norm? Women still beat out men in "mind reading" tasks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 11:19 PM
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Solipsism is RP speak for what is known as the typical mind fallacy. All humans assume their experience is universal. We break this with cognitive empathy, something women score higher on than men. By that logic, women are slightly less "solipsistic" than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 11:01 PM
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In reality it would look like a futuristic Utopia. There were male dominated societies. Colonies would often only send men, they were cesspits.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 04:41 AM
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This whole thing is just plain false. Ancient Greece wasn't egalitarian in any way. Some parts of it were more egalitarian. Particularly Sparta, the islands, and the Anatolian parts. Women could work, inherit property, and become educated. Again plain wrong history. None if these societies was egalitarian. They just allowed women to go out of the house every now and then. No it was a lot more than that. Why are you so desperate to believe that every society had a chokehold on their women? https:…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 02:41 AM
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... in their downfall to be more precise, when they already lost the leadership of the Greeks to patriarchal Athens/Macedonians. The Athenians got conquered by the Macedonians. Was it because they were a patriarchy? You mean the empires who collapse right after their leader died? The one where women are subservient warrior factories, so much so 1/5 of all men are directly related to the khan family line by rape? Some of them lasted for hundreds of years. They also fell apart due to male squabbli…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 01:56 AM
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Which society has such standard to not let men in charge of things while the military work? The Turks and Mongols did this and they conquered much of Asia and set up numerous empires. Because of their conquests there are people speaking Siberian languages in Europe and the Middle East. Central Asia was also populated by Iranic people before their conquests, so this group had a pretty big influence on the world. Not to mention the more egalitarian and sophisticated societies of Persia and Egypt. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 01:41 AM
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Not sure about China but a lot of Greece was not as male dominated as Athens. Science and philosophy also spread to Athens from the more egalitarian Miletus. Persia, Minoans, Nubia, and Egypt were all societies that did not keep their women in a chokehold like the Athenians and Chinese did. Hell Egypt and Persia had a massive influence on Greece too. Not to mention the more egalitarian Turks and Mongols kicked most of Asia's ass. Nope clever people build civilization and (usually) manipulate the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 01:25 AM
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Most of the colonies that only sent men were cesspits. The truth is many societies that did well were more egalitarian. Lack of clever people is worse than having more stupid people. Stupid people and fucked up people do more damage than clever people do good.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 01:14 AM
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All matriarchal societies had been shitholes, crushed by the first patriarchy that crossed their pass btw. There never has been a matriachical society where women oppressed men. However there were societies were women could lead and they did fine. Turkic and Mongol armies often were lead by women and they conquered pretty much all of Asia. Is there any evidence that Minoan, Egyptian, Persian, and Nubian women stole their power from men? You saying it doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 12:58 AM
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Androgenic alopecia is caused by being more sensitive to DHT, not more testosterone in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 12:30 AM
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We are going to have a men only societies with countless women slave minions, and men will thrive, they will have it all, like in the biggest empires, You still haven't answered why the glimpses of all male societies in history look like trash. You know why, because you can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 12:27 AM
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PPD men love to talk about male variability but then they blame men lagging behind women on misandry. Higher variance works in both directions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 12:25 AM
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