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what do you do when they do occasionally complain to you? Is it real complaining? "It'll be OK." Then ignore it and just let her talk. She just wants to say it and get it off her chest. Let her. And then touch her and change the subject. Like a real human being. At least make it kind of look like you give a small shit about it, even if you really don't. Is it complaining about things like her pet or her friends or something dumb that girls always complain about? Ignore it. Or, if you know her pr…
/r/askTRP24/04/19 08:32 PM
1

Think "unhappily married", not necessarily "dead bedroom", and you can get to a good estimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 03:50 PM
2

Um yes. A married person has obligations to their spouse. They need to fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 04:06 AM
3

If one doesnt feel like having sex and one is married, one needs to fix that, right away.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 03:05 AM
5

Whoosh
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 02:59 AM
0

But that's not the usual reason offered for wives refusing husbands sex. The usual reason is "he got fat, he's lazy, he's playing video games all the time, he doesn't work or he lost his job, and well, I just don't feel like it anymore. And he just has to deal with that." Both sets of reasons are unacceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 11:13 PM
8

Sorry, but not wanting sex really is a thing, and you're not allowed an override of someone's desires just because you married them. Sorry, but not wanting to support a wife really is a thing, and you're not allowed to make your husband go to work when he doesn't want to just because you married him. Sorry, but not wanting to provide a home for a spouse really is a thing, and you're not allowed to make your spouse provide that home when they dont want to, just because you married them. Sorry, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 11:11 PM
17

1) Fully accept it's not her fault - She doesn't owe me shit That's not something I can agree with. A wife DB'ing a husband is most definitely her fault, and oh yes she does owe her husband. She owes him sex and isn't delivering on that, and that is very much her fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 11:07 PM
3

So, the only obligation you have a problem with in marriage is sex? Do you also have a problem with financially supporting your spouse? Do you also have a problem with providing a home for your spouse? Do you also have a problem with paying your spouse's medical expenses? Do you also have a problem with making medical decisions for your spouse if your spouse cannot do so? Do you also have a problem with protecting your spouse from physical harm? Why is sex the only "marital obligation" that peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 11:05 PM
2

Not without doxxing myself. You'll have to take my word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 11:01 PM
1

Me too. If i could have ride or die girl, i'm good with that for the rest of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 11:00 PM
6

THe problem you raised is much, much rarer than the problem I raised. Is wifey supposed to have sex with a man who has become completely unattractive to her both in and out of the bedroom? Yes. Is husband supposed to financially support a woman who has become a complete bitch to him both in and out of the marriage? Yes. Marriage is hard. Welcome to life as a married person. It's hard. You will have to do hard things. That's what you signed up for: In sickness and in health, for better or for wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:57 PM
3

When you marry, you take on obligations to that other person. And one of those obligations is reasonable sexual access. Think of it this way. One of the obligations of marriage is a duty, moral and legal, to financially support your spouse. Wives must support husbands and vice versa. Do you think it's disgusting to think of an intimate relationship as obligating each to the other in this way? It's quite funny that most people here seem to have no problem at all with the traditional obligation me…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:54 PM
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Not too much work for most men. How about asking women if it's too much work for them. Most men are the ones who stay despite her saying "i won't have sex for reasons". It's usually the woman who is saying it. ANd it's not "I wont' have sex for reasons". It's "I won't have sex with you because reasons". And it's usually women who won't work on fixing those reasons. Usually it's women who see no reason to change. Usually it's women saying "I won't have sex with you because reasons, and I see no r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:40 PM
3

Yes, but that exists on a spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:36 PM
4

OK. Even if it's "declining", the sexual obligation still exists. And, yes, though i put it starkly, the effect is still the same - it is "I will not have sex with you, but you can't have sex with anyone else". Doesn't matter if other things happen. You have an obligation. Find a way to meet it. "I won't have sex with you because reasons, but you cant' have sex with anyone else" is totally unacceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:34 PM
2

Sued for divorce, sure. Refusal to have sex is grounds for immediate divorce in my state.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:32 PM
13

Feminists see it as men used to think marriage meant they owned women, but it was probably more nuanced than that. And it also meant the husband could be sued by the wife for not providing sex. It was more nuanced than that. It was biblical: Husbands and wives "own each other's bodies" for sex, and husbands and wives both owe each other sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:30 PM
8

And you think being badgered about sex you don't want to have and being made to feel guilty about it is a peachy time, do you? If a woman doesn't want to fuck this guy she married, why did she marry him in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:29 PM
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Sex isn't that hard. Pretty easy stuff two spouses signed up for when they got married and exchanged vows. Good point. I would like to know when it happened that sex became something husbands and wives aren't entitled to in a marriage. I'd like to know what happened such that sex is somehow not something married couples "sign up for". How is it that husbands are still expected to do all the things wives traditionally expect of husbands, but are vilified for expecting and wanting their wives to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:28 PM
3

Yes you can, and in that instance, the person refusing sex is cheating the other person out of the benefits of that monogamous agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:20 PM
1

what I wrote is 100% accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:20 PM
7

This trust: "I, "wife", promise to .... Have and to Hold, as long as we both shall live." Through marriage, wife says "I will be your sole sexual outlet. I expect you not to have sex with anyone else. If you do, I will consider that to be a breach of our promises to each other. So as to keep you from going outside the marriage to get your sexual needs met, I will take care of those for you." And then, after the marriage, says: "I changed my mind. I will not have sex with you. However, you still …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:19 PM
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It's not even sympathy. It's empathy. It's "wow, yeah, I can put myself in your shoes and I can kind of see how that would hurt and be a violation of trust". I completely fail to see how someone can't understand how sexual deprivation is a form of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:16 PM
1

This woman is a bunny boiler. She's a nut case. ACting like this after he met her once and didn't fuck her? He needs to just cut her out. Disappear. He doesn't owe her shit. Could he tell her "just not working out, good luck, best to you"? Sure. Does he have to do that to show he's "high value"? Not at all.
/r/askTRP23/04/19 10:10 PM
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And all I can tell you is this: if there is something in your life you want but cannot have, and you've tried to get it and you can't, and you have honestly done all you can to get it, and living without it will not kill you, then accept that you cannot have it and find a way to live some semblance of a rewarding, full life without it. If I were an incel and could not get sex without paying for it, that's what I would do. Save up my money for early retirement, travel, and get an arrangement of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:04 PM
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I can't disagree. I think denying sex is a form of cheating. The person refusing sex is cheating the other person out of something that belongs to them. It is a breach of the marital "contract".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 08:17 PM
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The problem with your view is that you take friendship and just add sex onto it. A healthy sexual relationship starts out sexual and then you figure out friendship along the way. Or, more accurately I guess, you take someone you want to fuck and figure out if you can get along with them well enough to create a long relationship that involves more than just fucking. The sexual attraction has to be there from the beginning or it won't work. You can't take a friend and then try to create sexual att…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 08:08 PM
1

Yes. You can see this in top men. As sex becomes more "available" to you, you "need" it less and less. And men will attach less significance and importance to it. You have sex, you scratch the itch, you go about the rest of your day. And it's not that I "think" women have this attitude about sex. Women do have this attitude about sex. It's evident from the way they talk about it to the way they behave. Women have this attitude not only because they can get sex when they want, but also because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:50 PM
2

Much, much worse. Yes. No. Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:35 PM
0

Women don't 'need' sex so much, because a woman can get sex anytime she wants. Men can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:29 PM
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Not necessarily. But sex is different. CainPrice gave the best answer. We have to differentiate between animal/physical body needs and human needs. I think we also have to look at how men view sex vis a vis how women view sex. Women are far less likely to view sex as a need because if a woman really just needs to get laid, she can get that any time she wants. A man has to work at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:29 PM
1

I used to. Not any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:11 PM
4

But masturbation doesn't fulfill that need. It's a substitute. It's like eating military issue meals ready to eat (just add water). They will keep you alive for a while, in many cases a very long time, but if that's all you're eating, you'll be hurting after a while and it will adversely affect your long term health. For both men and women, if they can get a desired partner for sex, they'll avoid masturbating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:08 PM
0

It's a need for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:06 PM
1

I've never seen "entitlement" analyzed so minutely and intricately before.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 06:13 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 06:01 PM
1

I’m going to be miserable about it for probably the rest of my life. I’ve been miserable most of my life at this point and it hasn’t stopped me from achieving what I wanted, Your choice to be miserable. Maybe your misery hasn't stopped you from achievements. But it is stopping you from enjoying what you have. And if what you are describing is your life, you have a lot to be happy about and being miserable because you can't have one thing you want (channeling Dean Wormer) "is no way to go through…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 05:13 PM
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Jesus. Yes. It is that simple. Stop responding. Block her on the apps. Just stop. Just digitally disappear from her life. You are not required to keep someone in your life that you don't want to be there. You are not required to interact with someone you don't want to talk with, see, hear from, or otherwise have in your life. If you don't want to get texts from someone, block them so you don't get them. Or tell them "stop texting me". Decide what you want, and then take steps to make that happen…
/r/askTRP23/04/19 04:55 PM
1

I know this isn't an advice thread. Maybe the answer is exactly what I said before. You have done all you can do, and you're not Casual Sex Guy. You're Relationship Guy. Maybe you need to work on accepting that you are at Maximum Sexual Market Value Improvement, and you cannot get casual sex. You can get relationship sex. You want something you cannot have. This is the lot of every person in life. Everyone wants something they cannot have. No one, and I mean not a single person, gets everything …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 04:52 PM
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this isn't hard. Ghost. Stop returning texts. Delete and block on all social media. Delete and block on messaging apps. She'd do the same to you if the tables were turned and it was you who was pestering her.
/r/askTRP23/04/19 04:38 PM
1

Fast forward to me being 22. I meet a girl who I thought was the one. Yeah you know how it goes. What made it worse was all my friends disappeared, they were jealous it appears. Your friends didn't disappear because they were jealous. They disappeared because 1) you abandoned them because you were chasing your oneitis at 22; or 2) you didn't properly cultivate friendships with them, or 3) they weren't really friends. I've followed all red pill advice to a tee a couple days and I'm feeling sort o…
/r/askTRP23/04/19 03:53 PM
2

The existence of the Red Pill seems somewhat predicated on the notion that an average man can become an 'Alpha' male through hard work, smart choices, second hand knowledge and practice. That's what it seemed to evolve into. But the Red Pill was initially predicated on what will get average men laid. What will get the average man casual sex. Not "creating better men" or "creating alphas". What we have had over the last several years have been endless discussions over what "alpha" is. In the mano…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 03:36 PM
3

"Men act entitled!" "But women act more entitled than men do!" Just another day in the gender wars.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 03:27 PM
2

Indeed...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 03:23 PM
2

Yes I do see how it should not be a thing. And how no man should actually have to sit his wife down and say "dear wife, part of being a wife is that we fuck. And if you will not fuck, then you don't get to be a wife. Capiche?" That should have been made quite clear to a girl long before she ever walks down the aisle. I blame her parents (usually her mother, who won't fuck her father for the same reasons her daughter won't fuck her husband). Her parents should be explaining clearly what a wife is…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 03:22 PM
0

Yeah. I've read over there. More and more men in DB relationships really need to start telling their wives that a DB is completely unacceptable, and say "change it, or I'm divorcing you". Or just divorce and be done with it and knuckle down and pay the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 03:16 PM
1

Yes and no. Men train women how to treat them. Women act accordingly. But women also act entitled in other ways, independently of what men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 03:12 PM
2

Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 03:10 PM
1

Yep. There are a few, a very few, men who really have tried everything to improve, and they still can't get something they want. They still can't get sex. They still can't get X (whatever X is ). In that case, you accept that you cannot get X, and you learn to live a life without X. Maybe there is an upside to your inability to get X. Let's take sex for example. You have tried everything to improve and change the fact that you can't get sex. Now that includes everything. Lifting, changing your d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 03:08 PM
3

I'm not saying "you" as in "insertthrowaway998". I'm saying "people'. Men. Women. Whomever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:50 PM
8

Stopping someone in the street or blocking her way is just running game or rudeness, it's not "entitled". I don't even think a guy insulting a woman is "entitled". It's him acting like a dickhead, but that's not "entitled". He's not saying to her "you have to fuck me because I want to fuck you".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:49 PM
0

Women act as though they are because men tell women they are, act like they are, let women get away with acting like they are, and put up with crap from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:48 PM
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Look at the results for the google "you deserve a woman" Except for the top result, it's still all about what women "deserve".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:47 PM
2

Husbands and wives are entitled to sex from each other, yes. But try to get people today to accept that. I really think a lot more men have to start saying "Correct. I'm not entitled to sex. But a wife who won't have sex with me is not entitled to financial support or sexual fidelity from me."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:39 PM
1

So don't talk about it. Do something about it. OK, fine, XYZ is wrong and it's things about your (the general your) life you don't like. Say "this is soemthing I don't like." Then go do something about it. If you really need to talk about it, get a trusted male friend who will listen for 15 minutes then kick you in the ass. Read old The Red Pill articles and sidebar. Talk to a decent therapist (by yourself, not with a wife or girlfriend or anyone else).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:35 PM
1

OK. But you learn how to get those things you need. No one said anything here about rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:32 PM
0

No, you don't rape people. You figure out a way to get sex. When you're young, you don't know how to get food and water. People have to give it to you. As you get older you figure out how to feed yourself. You say "I am thirsty, i need water" and you go to a faucet, a fountain, or even a brook, and get water. You say "I am hungry, I need food" and you go to a refrigerator, a store, or a field, and you get food. And you know to do those things because someone showed you how to do it. Then you get…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:30 PM
0

It isn't your call to make what men need. Or what a man decides he needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:23 PM
1

Like I said, we just see it differently. EDIT: You're not entitled even for it to make sense to you. You're not entitled to have everything work out or to a logical reason for everything that happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:19 PM
1

OK. I don't agree. WTF is "you owe it to me to clear up my confusion". No, he doesn't, and no, she's not entitled to an explanation. "WTF" is short for "WTF is going on" or "WTF are you doing" or "WTF just happened". "WTF" is an implicit demand that someone explain it. And no one is entitled to an explanation, or anything else. I guess we just see it differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:17 PM
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First you said she was "WTF", then you said "hurt". She can feel however she wants to feel, so being "hurt" doesn't make her entitled, as long as she isn't spewing that hurt onto the guy or others. Going "WTF" does, though. Because "WTF" suggests that she wants an explanation why this guy she won't fuck doesn't want to be her friend anymore. And she's not entitled to his friendship, nor even to an explanation why he won't be her friend anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:14 PM
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Maybe. And her feeling rather "wtf" about the situation makes her look like she felt entitled to his friendship. She isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:10 PM
12

Sure. Men aren't entitled to sex from women. Women aren't entitled to friendship from men. That's just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 01:48 PM
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She won't fuck you just to get you into orbit. If she fucks you and then finds out you're not the guy you portrayed yourself as, you're not as attractive as she thought, or you start beta-ing out, then yes, she will put you into orbit. But she doesn't fuck guys just to get them into orbit. She doesn't have to. With beta orbiters, just the potential for sex captures them.
/r/askTRP23/04/19 01:43 PM
1

By putting it behind you and getting back up and going back out there. Good prospects don't work out for all kinds of reasons. Make sure your own shit is tight, and get back out there.
/r/askTRP23/04/19 01:40 PM
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Only because they were told and taught that covert contracts is the way things work in the area of sex and dating. So they have to unlearn that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 01:28 PM
8

They're angry, not at the woman for rejecting them, but at the situation. They're frustrated. They're not shouting at the woman that she has to give them sex. They're angry and frustrated at themselves and at the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 01:26 PM
0

Guys get frustrated when they get rejected for sex. And that's because they're doing all the wrong things to get sex. They're doing things Blue Pillers told them to do to get sex and it doesn't work. And they want to know why it doesn't work. The problem is that they're unattractive men, and they're unattractive because no one ever told or taught them how to be attractive. So send them to The Red Pill and the manosphere so they can teach these guys the right things to do to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 01:25 PM
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Yeah. People really don't like it when men talk about what they don't like. They get really turned off when men talk about things in their lives that aren't working or that they aren't getting things they want. Even if it's just "I want X and I don't know how to get X", that comes off as complaining. And people don't like it when men complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 01:23 PM
2

Then you're focusing on the wrong things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:22 PM
2

Sure it is. The core of The Wall is that at a certain point in all women's lives, they reach a point when they just can't attract the men they used to attract and their looks start fading. No woman looks as good at 40 as she did at 20. That's just axiomatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:20 PM
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Looks to me like you aren't open to having your view challenged or changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:14 PM
2

Which means the Wall is real. So your view is changed, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:12 PM
2

Men do get less attractive as we age. The Wall just doesn't hit us as hard, or as fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:11 PM
2

It is true that as women get less attractive as they age, less attractive men are available to them for the things they want (commitment and provisioning). Yes, they can still get all the sex they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:10 PM
1

Great summary.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:09 PM
1

Well, I guess I just don't see that your leaving is the worst infraction. Something had to have happened to cause the marriage's breakdown, and you make it sound like it was 98% him and 2% (maybe) you. IME it just doesn't work that way. Both parties contribute pretty heavily to a relationship's successes and failures. I'm just not seeing it from your point of view. But thanks for your response.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:08 PM
1

No. What during the marriage did you do to contribute to its failure. Not your leaving. Did you do anything to cause it to break down before you left. Because you make it sound like you did absolutely nothing wrong; it was all him. And relationships just don’t work that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:17 AM
1

Thanks for that, but that’s not the question I asked. The question is what did you do wrong? What was your part in the marriage’s failure? What did you do to him, if anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 03:17 PM
0

What if anything did you do wrong in the marriage? You make it sound like the marriages failure was 100% his fault. And that’s just not possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 01:42 PM
2

No , RR is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 01:25 PM
1

I can tell you without fear of contradiction that less than 5% of Western men could survive even 3 or 4 days in the woods alone. A skill set that has all but disappeared.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 01:21 PM
-1

OK
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 04:26 PM
2

Autistic
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 04:12 PM
1

Standard pickup fare and not really very controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:52 PM
0

OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:49 PM
2

I'd have to disagree. "Nice tits" coming from me has garnered giggling blushing endearment or grave offense, depending on the woman in question's attraction level to me. At least, that's what it looks like to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:48 PM
4

An even better way to phrase it is whether men or women have a more uniform standard for someone they find physically attractive (or unattractive). From my perspective, women's standards are more uniform. Rollo Tomassi has outlined this. Most women really like the same kind of male physique, more or less. Trim, fit, athletic build, lower body fat. Defined musculature but not roided out jacked bodybuilder. Masculine looking face. V shaped body, broad shoulders, narrow waist. Think Michelangelo's …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:45 PM
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They think they're complimenting you by telling you clearly that you're not fat. Because girls are always so self conscious about their weight. So he thinks "wow, you're like totally not fat" is a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:35 PM
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Things that (beta/omega) men think are flattering to women but aren't: "You've got a great body/nice tits" But coming from an attractive man, this makes her giggle, blush, and twirl her hair. Things that women think are flattering to men but aren't: "You're so nice" "You're such a nice guy" "you're sweet" I wouldn't say these things are necessarily insulting to men, but they're certainly not something men view as compliments.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:28 PM
1

Is this your actual experience or a "gotcha"? Because if it's your actual experience, then the observation which flows from it is the same one posed to "nice guys" who made the same mistakes repeatedly. You just didn't get it. You weren't paying attention to what was going on. The lessons were there, but you didn't pick up on them. That's not society's fault, or men's fault. And there was no grand conspiracy to con you into giving sex to men who keep you at arm's length. And now that you know wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:26 PM
2

You will probably think I'm picking nits here, but wanting more money isn't the issue. The issue is who earns that money and how each of them, men and women, feel about it. What's different between what women in these particular PPD threads are saying; and what happens in the cited sources? Don't you think it might be because women at PPD trend within particular very affluent demographics? Women on PPD don't care because they're more affluent, more educated, whiter, and more upper middle class t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 11:20 PM
1

OK, but people wanting more money in general is a universal and not really what we're talking about. What sources are you pointing at that support the claim "men don’t like it when their partners out earn them and women try to overcompensate by doing more around the house"? What I'm seeing is "men and women don't like it when women outearn their men. Women are willing to deal with that and settle for it, but they don't really like it all that much and it takes a toll on the relationships. Men do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 10:14 PM
1

But it is most women's preference to be paired to a man who outearns her. I'm not sure we can say "woman selects man she outearns" = woman prefers to outearn men she selects. I strongly suspect women wouldn't mind if their men outearned them. It's just the way it works out, and it's a place where women on this thread are willing to compromise. I can tell you in my experience, women will make that a settling point. But women don't like it and don't prefer it. IME, women prefer men who outearn the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 09:51 PM
1

The small pieces of the whole are what cause the problems though. The devil's in the details, as they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 09:44 PM
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I don't see men saying women are forcing men to be breadwinners. What I see is men saying women don't like men who aren't breadwinners and don't want to be paired to men who aren't breadwinners. Despite what women on this thread are saying, the experience of many men is that women very much care about whether a man outearns her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 09:41 PM
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What are you saying? Are you saying "she is disrespectful and uses earnings as an excuse" is not a "good" reason for caring? A man can "care" about his wife outearning him for any reason he wants, right? Another "good" reason might also be that he believes it's his job to provide for her. Yet another one might be that his relationships simply work better, and he's happier, when he outearns his wife. There could be others.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 09:18 PM
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I don't think you'd believe any reason is good enough. But... 1) She lords her breadwinning over him. 2) She's made clear she expects him to contribute to the family bottom line or she's kicking him out. 3) She treats him poorly when he doesn't contribute to the bottom line. EDIT: Why would it matter to you if some individual man somewhere cares that his wife or fiancee or girlfriend outearns him, if that individual man isn't your individual man? What difference does it make to you? And why do y…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 09:05 PM
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Just because all this works for you and your fiancee, doesn't mean this has to work for all men. Maybe he has good reasons for caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 06:43 PM
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she owes 35% of the child support which she keeps, and I owe 65% which she also keeps. That's weird. It shouldn't work that way. It should be that a percentage amount of support you would otherwise have to pay, would be reduced by the percentage ratio between your income and hers, and then reduced again due to 50/50 physical custody. So if you make 1000 a month and she makes 500 a month, you might have to pay 275 a month in support if you had only visitation, because of your relative incomes. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 04:28 PM
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I don't know how many or what statistical percentage of women are main breadwinners in their families. What I can say just from looking around is that the number of women who are main breadwinners has increased over time from when I first came into the work force about 25 years ago, to today. I can also say that from what women say, they don't have as much a problem with outearning men as they do with men not working at all and being househusbands. He doesn't have to contribute a majority of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 04:18 PM
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No, because those things aren't "providing". Those things are making use of others' provisioning, even if it's his own provisioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 04:10 PM
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Yes, a couple times. The first was from a woman I wasn't attracted to and was while I was at my very first job out of school. I was a young guy, 23, and I wasn't real experienced in working in an office setting. I wasn't afraid or offended. I wasn't afraid i would lose my job. I was more afraid of pissing off a coworker and causing discomfort or awkwardness. And, I was really just more grossed out than anything else. Second time was when I was at the job I'm at now. A new records clerk was in my…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 02:39 PM
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Right. So in your relationship there might be other things expected of you in that "provider" role. ​ If a man is doing nothing at all to provide, most women will probably see that as a problem and very unattractive. If he's not even like paying for some things and not doing basic watchdog protection, most women will see that as undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 01:59 PM
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There's more to it than just providing like "go out and make the money". There's a whole coterie of behaviors that go into that "provider" and "taking care of" role. There's paying for dates. I've seen and heard women, including well off women who make more money than most of the men they date, say "he has to take me out and pay for the date. He is the man and I am the woman, and it's his job to pay for the date because that's what men are supposed to do when they date women." There's protection…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 01:52 PM
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Why is being taken care of and provided for not seen as a privilege? Because the "provider" role is traditionally and usually seen as the male one. Taking care of and providing for a woman is "just what a man is supposed to do". Because men have traditionally and usually been the ones that performed that role. And, most of the time, men are better than women at it because they prepare more for it and spend more time in that role. Because a man is "just supposed to" take care of and provide for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 01:37 PM
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bye
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 07:55 PM
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If you can't tell me what the study actually says and concludes, then your post is pretty much worthless. All your conclusions flow from the study and use it as a basis. If I can't tell what the basis of your conclusions is, then i can't address your conclusions. So I would ask you to find and link to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 07:53 PM
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That's a link to the title and an abstract. ​ I want to read the study. Not what some bloggress said about the study. Or your summary of what the bloggress said.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 07:38 PM
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I don't see the actual scientific conclusions. I see the bloggress stating her conclusions/findings from her read of the study. I also don't see much of a summary of the methodology.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 07:26 PM
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No. They just don't admit or talk about all of their sexual experiences. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 07:09 PM
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No. Being pretty means you have more access to men, and more access to sex with high value men. That, not being pretty, is what makes them reluctant to admit their sexual escapades.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 07:06 PM
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No, just you will dismiss me. But from the looks of your comments here, I'm not too worried about that. And again - "victims are liars who are out to get men" - not what i said. You said that. You want to project it onto me. No dice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 05:47 PM
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Yes, I agree with this mostly. Most men are OK with it as long as she acts like a wife, isn't mean to him, and has sex with him even if it isn't the totally awesomely awesome sex he might really want. But a lot has to get swept under the rug. As long as they're ok with unresolved things, it can work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 04:20 PM
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at some point the truth will come out about their younger days, riding the cock carousel, abusing some men physically at parties or some men emotionally everywhere else. As more and more women make themselves closer to positions of power, as much as they try to maintain a public image, as much as they write it off as a drunken mistake, anywhere from sexual assault they may have conducted on the equivalent of spring break back in the day or the abortion or the whatever has the possibility to keep…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 04:14 PM
1

It's more common for women to marry the guy they don't really want, than it is for them to not marry at all. Most women get married at least once.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 04:06 PM
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Response to edit: That's not what MeToo has become. I don't believe any of the words you're trying to project onto and into me. If you believe this is what MeToo still is, you're not watching closely enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 04:00 PM
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You are being snarky. Sorry you can't see that. But, OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 03:59 PM
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its still not what one really wants. And yet they marry the guys anyway. And use and abuse them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 03:48 PM
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Increasing numbers of women are. But most women get married eventually. I think marriage is very important to women mostly because of what it signifies about a woman, to other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 03:42 PM
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No. That's not what MeToo has become.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 03:42 PM
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I didn't say anything about social competence classes. I'm talking about parents and other adults in kids' lives showing and telling their children what is and is not important. Teaching, leading by example, etc. That's part of first hand experience. ​ Why so snarky?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 03:41 PM
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The problem, though, is that most women can't marry if they won't settle. And a lot of women have to settle pretty far to get married. They have to compromise a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 03:32 PM
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We know that part is true. I want to know if women think the other part is true: That when a woman settles, it is begrudgingly, knowing he just isnt going to turn her on or give her the excitement she wants. I would like to know if women think this is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 03:32 PM
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But they start learning it (or not) at 12 and start being taught about its importance (or that it's not important) at 12. That's when it starts. That said, my 12 year old son has more maturity and insight on the r realities of life than 90% of the men on this sub seem to. Because you taught him that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 03:10 PM
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Saving this entire thread. Like 75% of the entirety of arguments on both sides at this subreddit are contained and summarized here in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 03:08 PM
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You have to be taught to be socially successful. You have to be shown what it looks like. And you have to be told and taught that, yes, being social, interesting, and fun is an important aspect of one's life to develop.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 03:07 PM
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NO ONE punishes men for being sexual That's not true. Men today growing up as boys 20 or 30 years ago were very much punished for sexualizing their interactions or otherwise acting masculine. And you've heard of MeToo, right? That's punishing men for being sexual. And in many cases it is not about "telling men not to force themselves on women or use a position of power to sexually harass or assault a woman".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 02:56 PM
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Yeah. He needs to learn how to compete and get good at something. He needs to learn how to win at something.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 02:52 PM
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The fun only guy gets looked over for LTRs. The fun only guy doesn't care that he gets overlooked for LTRs. He's got plenty of pussy to choose from. This is why “douchey frat bros” swim in pussy. They’re fun but also get the best money making jobs Douchey frat bros are fun guys when they're swimming in pussy. Some get good jobs. Some don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 02:46 PM
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I get that entirely. So if she spent her 20's fucking lesser guys but still fucks her guy the same; he would be happy Yeah, pretty much, as long as she's not fucking other guys or complaining that she can't fuck other guys. The problem is not her settling for safe and secure. The problem is not that she settled. The problem isn't even that he had to wait. The problem is that she won't fuck him the same way she fucked the other guys she was hot for. He's not getting the same sex she gave the othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 02:45 PM
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My last kid was born when I was 37. I wouldn't want to have a newborn past age 40. As it is I'll be 56 when my last gets out of high school. That's old enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 08:43 PM
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They don't want to wife up sluts. They're willing to accept it, though, if there aren't other good prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 03:46 PM
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The past always has some bearing on today, even if all it did was create the mindset that leads to relationship issues. Many people are quite fond of saying "my past made me who I am today!" No one's asking for guarantees. I think people are saying "we want to make informed decisions and to do that, I need to know all the facts". To me, the issue is the lying, not so much "you did things I might not approve of".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 03:43 PM
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I would just disagree with the "mysterious" part. I don't think men want mystery in their women. I want her to be an open book, prone to full disclosure, open, forthright, and forthcoming. I don't want to have to go figuring things out about her. This doesn't mean she has to tell me absolutely everything I want to know when I want to know it. It does mean i expect her not to lie. It does mean I expect her to be open and honest about who she is and what she wants from me, from her life, from othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 07:14 PM
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Never once seen this Oh, come on. It's not just "women are to blame". It's "I have my share of blame and she has her share of the blame". Sure some guys will say "It's all her fault" but that's just the pain talking. And these guys are hurting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 05:50 PM
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No. This is gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 05:35 PM
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and "I can show him off to my friends, to show them I got a better man than they did."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 05:34 PM
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the point is that most women want NORMAL husbandly husbands who will "love" them in a more nurturant way and more importantly theyre seeking FATHERS FOR THEIR CHILDREN, But that isn't love. It's utility. Sure, most women want these things. That doesn't mean they love the men they select for those roles in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 04:51 PM
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What are you saying in this disorganized post? Women will say they don't want to hook up. But they will, for the right guy. Most girls will. And yeah, a lot of girls who hook up frequently do have some mental issues going on. And they'll hook up for validation - she got a hot guy to give her some attention. And a lot of women don't want a "hookup", and maybe wanted something more, but they didn't get that because they aren't hot enough to keep the guy. But they're hot enough for a hookup. Girls …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 03:34 PM
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So far you haven't said anything about what you want and find attractive. Describe to us an "attractive" man, "attractive" being whatever you define this as.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 03:20 PM
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Yes and no. Lots of girls will wait a few dates, then kick in the crazy sex. To Billy, doggy and reverse cowgirl and a slurpy BJ are "wild and crazy sex", because he's never experienced it before. But that's old hat for her and "Chad". And where "Chad" got anal and giga anal, whatever that is, and sex in public, and sex on the hood of a car, whatever, Billy doesn't get any of that. So it's all relative.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 03:06 PM
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If these "settling" men arnt attractive to them, thats why they ultimately leave or cheat. Its not because she dosent have an ability to bond. Its because she married for stability and resources only. And therefore, she can't bond to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 03:00 PM
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Sometimes she'll get to fuck Chad. Maybe once or twice, when Chad's having a really bad day and just needs to fuck someone. The second picture link - she considers herself too good to fuck guys like that. But guys like this and this and this would fuck her. And she'd fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 02:53 PM
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At the beginning. That crazy sex tapers off though as the relationship progresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 02:44 PM
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Yes, for a lot of reasons. The emphasis in the US on maximum individual freedom which actively works against marriage even for the people in marriages. How easy it is to get a divorce with no fault laws. Nothing in American culture really supports marriage or encourages people to stay in their marriages even when you go through tough times. If anything, people are encouraged to end their marriages when they get tough. I wouldn't say most of my friends are divorced, but a lot of them are. Divorce…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 02:43 PM
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Now it's increasingly also comprised of higher value women . And divorced women who have taken care of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 02:36 PM
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Of course, the woman who's fucking him. The quality and quantity of the sex Billy gets usually isn't as good as what she'll give a hot guy, though. But for Billy, a little bit of mediocre duty sex is better than none at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 02:33 PM
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But that lasts only until either she gets tired of working or wants a kid. Then she wants to slow down or stop altogether. And then she can't earn enough for herself and a kid, or just doesn't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 01:36 PM
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To get Billy to marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 01:34 PM
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See Atlas _B_ Shruggin's flair? ​ That should tell you what you need to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 07:28 PM
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My God. I'm sorry I've read this thread.....
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 07:26 PM
2

Just get everyone on the lifeboats, whoever's in line.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 02:22 PM
1

Probably at least as valuable as OKCupid's.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 01:12 PM
1

while the slut has at best (worst?) 2-3 times missionary or doggy per week. Yes. Usually while drunk or stoned, at 2 am, with a drunk or stoned guy. Who she doesn't know very well, and this is the first or second time she's ever been with the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 01:10 PM
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Dude here. Is there a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 01:01 PM
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Cost, risk, no validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 01:00 PM
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average guys get sex sometimes. just not with the frequency or quality or duration of superior guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 12:58 PM
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Maybe. But it’s just a fact that most women can get laid easier than men can. That would be true even if I was a bull alpha. Even Chad and Tyrone go home empty handed. Even chad and Tyrone get rejected, cheated on, divorce raped, and dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 12:04 PM
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Oh, I agree with his point. Consider the kind of relationship he's talking about though - a high value man with a slutty girlfriend. A high value man certainly can get another slut to have sex with him in a week. Might take a while to make her his girlfriend. But sex? A week, maybe two.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 08:38 PM
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I'm not sure it does apply to gay relationships, and it doesn't matter, really. I'm not gay. Most men aren't gay. TRP mainly doesn't concern itself with how gay men get laid, because it 's really really easy for gay men to get laid. Gay male relationships are based primarily on sex and having sex. Men understand very well what other men want. Sure, they're gay, but they're still men, and they still approach sex as men do. And to the extent gay men have long term relationships, they are almost al…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 08:33 PM
1

Interesting take on it. It also means that men aren't becoming providers anymore. mostly because they don't have to. A lot of women still want their providers, and are sorely disappointed to find out their providers aren't there when they turn 30, 35, or 40. Women don't really want to work full time and support themselves. They'll do it. But they don't seem to like it very much. Women's liberation from being dependent on men also means men's liberation from having to become providers for women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 08:12 PM
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No one has unconditional love for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 07:53 PM
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To me though the whole ‘women aren’t capable of love’ thing is utter bullshit. But that's not the claim. The claims are that women aren't capable of love in the way that men want women to love them and that women aren't capable of loving men the same way men love women. Women are capable of love, and a woman can love a man. It's just that her love looks quite different from his love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 07:52 PM
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Red pill, mostly. I don't have a lot of patience for stupid people, whiners, or complainers, male or female. I have a one track mind. I cannot multitask. I'm a perfectionist. Things that are important to my wife are usually not very important to me. I like to spend a good deal of time alone. I enjoy arguing. I will not let go of any point until I feel I've made that point, the way I want to make it. I'm usually right. I have a hard time admitting when I'm wrong, because it happens so infrequentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 07:40 PM
1

I know what your point was - that you wouldn't want to think this way or have someone think this way about you. That aside, people do think this way about each other, whether they know it or not, or intend to or not. It does no one any good to ignore that reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 07:28 PM
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I'm wondering if anybody can brainstorm ideas about how women are contributing to these perceived declines u/littleknownfacts is right about the immediate causes. The causes of those causes go further back.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 06:38 PM
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The fact that most women could get a sex partner as good as or better than the one they have now is just a description of reality. The fact that a high value man can get another sex partner in a few days is just a description of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 06:08 PM
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That's true some of the time. But I don't agree that women sleep exclusively with men they want commitment from. That's not true at all. Sometimes she probably just had some sex with some guys she wanted to have sex with but not a relationship. The problem happens when they settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 05:16 PM
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I'm not sure what you're even asking. Are you asking what she has to look like? What she has to act like? What job she should have? Education? You'll get as many different answers here as men who answer you. I guess if you're asking me personally, how about not obese, long hair, at least a C cup, and dresses femiininely? I would also like her to have at least a college education, a job, not a lot of debt, and lived on her own for a little bit. No, she's not entitled. No, it's not offensive. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 05:13 PM
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Is "black pill incel" even an ideology? It just looks to me like "woe is me, I can't get laid, and that's everyone else's fault and evil women's fault and society's fault". Looks to me like a bunch of men and a few women complaining. At the end of the day it's about people taking responsibility. And some men just won't get anything. It's always been like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 05:04 PM
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Depends on the man and the woman. Both have to give something to get something.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:59 PM
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Men don't fall in love based on how attached the woman is to them. I'm not sure this is crucial to the rest of your post. But I don't think this is necessarily true. A lot of men hold themselves back until the woman is attached to them, or at least claims to be attached. Or shows some signs of attachment. And to men, attachment is things like affection, initiating sex, exclusivity, and other similar things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:57 PM
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I disagree. A woman lowering her standards will get a relationship with a man. But he won't be as attractive across the board as if she had not lowered her standards. If she doesn't lower her standards, she might still get a relationship. But she'll have to wait longer and that relationship probably will be more tenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:43 PM
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All men want an enthusiastic sex partner. And a skilled sex partner. They want to have sex with skilled women who are into the sex. It's just that men think eventually they might get asked to wife it up, and they don't want to do that. Because she got good at BJs for a reason and that reason is usually a lot of varied experience. Who women make wait for sex, and who they have sex with immediately , are you saying that has to do with being judged? Because it looks to me like, if they want to have…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:39 PM
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You can probably trace the big ass thing to the booty videos in the 80s and 90s, put out by rap artists. You know. "Baby Got Back" by that Sir MixALot guy. And then Kim Kardashian. That's probably how big asses got popular. And now, I guess, both men and women associate big tits with being fat. I've never seen it that way, because a girl can have big tits and not be fat. Or she can be fat and not have big tits. But I guess a lot of people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:29 PM
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Not really. Men need and want sex more than women. That's mainly why men get into relationships and get married. Because that can be a good way for men to get sex. That's how it's represented to men, anyway. Women are the ones who want the relationship and marriage part. Relationship can lead to marriage, and marriage is security for women. Women care more about security than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:23 PM
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My opinion? It's both. It's mostly fertility markers, tempered by culture somewhat. Men are attracted to women with proportionate waist hip ratio, big breasts, in good shape but with nice adipose fatty tissue deposits in just the right places, and long hair. But then there are cultural prompts overlaid on all that. Right now it's all about asses. Before that, it was about waif thin/heroin addict-look supermodels. Before that, in the 1960s/70s Playboy era, it was about breasts, you know, the whol…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:19 PM
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Male. My partner is by far better looking. I have a much higher RMV. She has a much higher SMV. I'm kind of with CainPrice over there. If my partner wanted another sex partner, she can be in another man's bed by lunchtime. If I wanted another sex partner, that will take me a couple weeks. If she wanted to replace me permanently, she could, but he won't be as good as me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 03:58 PM
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The men who want women to select "better" men are usually men who are not better but think they are better. And are not getting selected. The men who want to be selected are insisting on this for their own self interest. Those who say it is "for society" don't really mean that. They're talking about their own interest. This talk of "saving Western Civilization" is just talk. We're a bit past the point of saving Western Civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 03:17 PM
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Yeah. I think that men have one or two close friends they rely on for support. What it looks like to me is that most women have a few close friends and a lot of acquaintances. Women can, and do, confide in acquaintances as well as with close friends, when it's something work related or not terribly deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 02:55 PM
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